alt.atheism	bibl quiz answer articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write cheribum ark coven god make graven imag refer idol creat worship ark coven wasn wrodhip and high priest enter holi holi onc year dai aton not familiar knowledg origin languag word for idol and that translat us word idol graven imag had origin idol you wrong suggest determin whether interpret you offer correct dean kaflowitz
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost articl timmbak mcl timmbak mcl ucsb edu clam bake timmon write fallaci atheism faith hear faq beckon onc wonder rule delet you correct you didn conspiraci correct hard atheism faith rule don mix appl orang can you that extermin mongol wors stalin khan conquer peopl unsympathet that atroci stalin kill million peopl love and worship and atheist state can wors that will not explain thi you stalin noth name atheism wheth not atheist irrelev grip man stalin exampl brought not indict atheism anoth exampl peopl will kill name that fit for occas you never implic pretti clear can respond your word not your true mean usenet slipperi medium delet wrt burden proof hard atheism noth prove justifi that god not exist faq etc guess justif compel aren peopl flock hard atheism not and won for will discourag peopl hard atheism point sourc reliabl statement hard atheism not support dogmat posit fool that larg group peopl that atheist peopl exist proselyt fashion religion hard atheist you post not hard second make you defend religion recogn hard atheism for faith never meant understand you that idea bibl exampl allegori illustr point and refer reader post evid that poster state that reli evid for lost thi thread theist arrog delet such and such absolut unalter true dogma true not prepar issu blanket statement indict theist arrog you wont atheist bzzt virtu your innoc pronoun you issu blanket statement will apolog qualifi origin statement hard atheist place atheist you call john baptist arrog boast greater that christian todai that arrog guilti charg meant theist arrog thi that thought mean clear posit that claim superior anoth support evid arrog for your apolog btw not worthi misinform your sophist put theist your misinform shine explain bake timmon iii noth higher stronger wholesom and life good memori alyosha brother karamazov dostoevski
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write bennett neil bcci adapt koran rule bank time august gui write piec titl that impli case that gregg you haven provid even titl articl support your content thi you support posit you intend respect gregg question and even manag includ refer head firmli engag ass your excus thi support noth reason that thi piec anoth anti islam slander job you reason anti islam slander job apart your prejudic respect for titl for real content can thi articl want true can you bcci not islam bank mere report time state that bcci islam bank rule gregg islam good and bcci bad bcci cannot islam spread slander propaganda discuss issu glad real discuss provid refer etc provid refer articl you agre you will respond refer articl you agre mmm that intellectu stimul debat doubtless that you spend your time soc cultur islam special place for you kill file bobbi want join you post becom convinc that simpli wast time and reason moslem that you hope achiev mathew
alt.atheism	christian moral articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write not believ god not concern disposit beneath provid evid requir evid that person thi god find compel fact god you you for minut you love you you made love you want love you respons you love god and step promis for you you for doubt thi disput not givin sincer effort simpl logic argument folli you read bibl you will that jesu made fool trick logic abil reason spec creation ultim you reli simpli your reason you will never you learn you accept that you don
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl rusnew manti mathew manti mathew write mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough write articl ursa bear halat pooh bear jim halat write atom not object aren even real scientist call atom noth mathemat model that describ physic observ properti surround subject thi deserv frame atom aren even real atom electron microscop atom figment imagin evid that atom real overwhelm won bother evid moment studi cell biologi that can electron microscop real laughabl statement stuff delet you thought twilight zone for moment amaz that peopl scienc background confus model and observ even call real world jim halat articl ursa bear halat panther bear jim halat write articl apr princeton edu datepp phoenix princeton edu david aaron tepper write you liber art major weren tcha guess you never that photo smallest logo world ibm made nobl ga atom krypton xenon forget specif atom tree electron independ observ and verifi moral aren differ for record not that kind inform like affect your think msee focu electromagnet penn photo smallest logo world not atom make observ can measur that match mathemat model call atom had predict that particl model and wave model for light atom model mathemat represent physic phenomena model that can and will continu chang time that make subject model that model object talk physic world put anoth quantum mechan model atom for discuss atom that will give repeat and unambigu result object bohr and einstein duke mid centuri interpret reapeat observ measur quit subject bohr that observ random atom motion inher natur univers einstein particl motion determinist measur shortcom that introduc random talk exact result jim halat
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost timmbak mcl ucsb edu bake timmon write li hypocrisi dude atheism take faith theism admit peopl take faith atheist faith kind faith that great invis pink unicorn not exist kind faith that santa clau not exist and for peopl suppos isn big leap faith that thing and god exist suppos depend your notion and definit faith not believ god mean doesn deal extra baggag that come thi leav person feel wonderfulli free beaten head for year agre that religion and belief import psycholog healer for peopl and for that reason import forc psycholog fantasi don mean that bad that isn interest extrem rude believ santa clau and that belief santa wonder thing for life make person allow live guilt etc and you santa cuz for you call men white coat you phone bake timmon iii nanci babbl you and author thi quot send email andrew cmu edu spring natur parti
alt.atheism	southern baptist convent freemasonri southern baptist convent conven thi june charg that freemasonri incompat christian thought quot jame holli anti mason flag carrier amus you passag exact quot southern baptist convent and freemasonri jame holli presid mission and ministri men inc beaumont insid cover book state mission ministri men inc herebi grant permiss for reproduct part thi booklet two provis materi not chang and two sourc identifi provis freemasonri alli devil page issu not moder conserv issu god and devil page worthwhil rememb that formul public school educ america freemason page jesu christ never command toler motiv for discipl and toler antithesi christian messag page central dynam freemason drive for world uniti fratern liberti and equal toler thi write great writer freemasonri page jesu christ establish sectarian faith page for narrow and sectarian equal lord jesu christ page interest toler and cousin liberti equal and fratern subtlest li father li page southern baptist convent church found lodg and corner stone dedic lodg each church hold public ceremoni repent and prai blood and name lord jesu christ church and renounc oath dedic church and build page toni
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost articl madhausc rfqo netcom madhau netcom maddi hausmann write clam bake timmon bill shit stirrer connor gotta disagre you thi maddi not resembl bill nicknam prefer half bake timmon bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	request articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write bob you want excus convert christian you gonna damn and hope bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	thought christian articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write you can physic problem passiv christian unlik smoke not that hard avoid christian todai ignor keith err kent whadda you mean you didn smilei bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	shit shovel amus atheist and articl qvn pinnj shellei washington edu jimh carson washington edu jame hogan write bill conner and bobbi post felt that passiv aggress knock that chip shoulder type approach meant that attempt reason argument wast that primit respons teas bronx cheer sarcasm somewhat satisfi apolog think bobbi perform artist feed pointless circular round hominem name call wit precis posit newbi point point approach debat type wast time and lifespan ignor not option sinc don and leav larg stretch complet anonym thi group left healthi flame occass appear caustic boob bobbi type wast breath argu ration process involv excretori system and stand record recogn peopl long rest group thi timmon charact store for bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	christian moral articl eastman dp nasa kodak write articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write not believ god not concern disposit beneath provid evid requir evid that person thi god find compel fact god you you for minut you love you you made love you want love you don expect love don even exist secondli wouldn expect love simpli creator expect earn that love respons you love god and step promis for you you for you daft love don exist come back you learn love your testicl doubt thi disput not givin sincer effort simpl logic argument folli you read bibl you will that jesu made fool trick logic abil reason spec creation ultim you reli simpli your reason you will never you learn you accept that you don point you step line and becom complet asshol even your offens won slip becuas heard goddamn time you love jesu deep your heart you cannibalist necrophiliac and qualifi assess your motiv you fortun thing accept evid faith that christian quit fuck arrog will never peac you made that bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	theism and fanat islam genocid articl dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write articl horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write theism strongli correl irrat belief absolut irrat belief absolut strongli correl fanat correl not causat and belief that absolut exist not thing belief absolut belief shortest rout thurl clonmel thing knowledg irish roadsystem correl not necessarili causat you notic conclud that correl religion and fanat base common featur religi belief for long quot dont cut huh you bark mad theism not strongli correl fanatic you you find stronger correl you interest truth you bigot theism correl fanatic that fanat caus theism that theism lead fanat point theism increas chanc fanat argu that fanat tend theism for exampl loook time histori theism domin ideolog invalid that conclus that that basic mechan imo influenc stalin for that matter ayn rand invalid your assumpt that theism factor consid gullibl blind obedi author lack sceptic and reliabl indic and danger peopl sourc fanatic thing cynic manipul gullibl precis brand theism and precis theist tend fanatic grant you tar theist thi brush bigotri not reason argument and read warm for censorship and restrict religi freedom read anim farm defin irrat belief ration that reason irrat belief belief that not base reason discuss for long time charlei wingat point that belief violat reason and anoth that process that not lend ration analysi not reliabl inform glare paradox argument that reason base reason circular and argument not base reason irrat part second statement contain inform you don belief belief strong theism and strong atheism your statement not gener true second part your sentenc patent fals counterexampl axiomat datum not lend ration analysi assum reliabl inform process us obtain compar evid theist for claim strength demand make thing not irrat antir can agre thi you specif theism that theism necessarili antir requir proof suspect you not affin fanat easili true noth work hypothesi belief work hypothesi don understand thi can you formalis your argument frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	you will hell decai cbnewsj att dean kaflowitz write articl portal videocart dfuller portal videocart dave fuller write jsn psuvm psu edu write you blashephem you will hell for not believ god prepar for your etern damnat you mean prepar surround thumper proven hellish and not even dead prepar big beach umbrella gel pack ic thing big coleman cooler load miller draft miller draft sue pair balanc sneaker soni watchman and coupl carton bonton cheddar chees popcorn stuff delet you ton weapon and ammunit follow and hole kind compound and wait for alan deguzman calvin smart almost scari guess calculu mathematica child progeni disclaim univers can afford opinion hobb children
alt.atheism	you will hell articl portal videocart dfuller portal videocart dave fuller write jsn psuvm psu edu write you blashephem you will hell for not believ god prepar for your etern damnat you mean prepar surround thumper proven hellish and not even dead prepar big beach umbrella gel pack ic thing big coleman cooler load miller draft miller draft sue pair balanc sneaker soni watchman and coupl carton bonton cheddar chees popcorn haven decid wear wear etern damnat dean kaflowitz
alt.atheism	shit shovel amus atheist and articl timmbak mcl timmbak mcl ucsb edu bake timmon write jame hogan write fine sentiment post jim assum attack hominem sarcast innuendo shit shovel conveni forget thi and whine boredom hominem sarcast innuendo absolut forgotten bore not not confus life life can overcom urg teas taunt folk bound faq such chip shoulder listen you belong church patienc question your post line line content basi hard impact that had compar shovel fact interest end thread wouldn post last shit shovel lament that initi satisfact past point circular abus heap that bake timmon iii noth higher stronger wholesom and life good memori alyosha brother karamazov dostoevski sincer question you you for jim
alt.atheism	societ accept behavior qvh tinnsg citat ksu ksu edu yohan citat ksu ksu edu jonathan newton write articl qgm new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write question for basi moral moral ethic behavior societ accept behavior disagre societi think irrelev individu decid that import thi doesn want kill you can that decid societi thi fairli obviou not societi mandat societi disagre mandat societ mandat make standard for moral defin accept gener feel idiot polici can basi admit ti loos feel that intuit thing wrong hard defend legal moral posit think for ourselv agre action legal not make moral mac michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu tax and spend cut billion dollar deficit michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu can explain chesterton
alt.atheism	societ accept behavior guess delv into religi languag area exactli moral moral never thought eat meat moral immor differenti not person choic prefer and not immor fall basi moral consensu posit fall make you brought societ mandat control time make mac michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu can explain chesterton
alt.atheism	christian moral articl eastman dp nasa kodak write not believ god not concern disposit beneath provid evid requir evid that person thi god find compel fact god you you for minut you love you you made love you want love you not differ believ that god exist and love for instanc satan believ god exist not love unbeliev request situat thi that god provid evid compel exist not compel love dai christma truelov serv leftov turkei second dai christma truelov serv turkei casserol that made leftov turkei dai delet flame turkei wing pizza hut commerci and tlu gic bait ken arromde arromde jyusenky jhu edu
alt.atheism	gulf war and peac nik articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write hawaii liber spain you you hit thi hawaii independ countri coup american led request annex refus eventu annex year spanish american war dai christma truelov serv leftov turkei second dai christma truelov serv turkei casserol that made leftov turkei dai delet flame turkei wing pizza hut commerci and tlu gic bait ken arromde arromde jyusenky jhu edu
alt.atheism	christian moral articl eastman dp nasa kodak write fact god you you for minut you love you you made love you want love you bullshit not delus and wish think not option love obei that reason respons you love god and step promis for you you for doubt thi disput not givin sincer effort bullshit assur you misguid youth made sincer effort pain ration person rais christian home stori you choos not experi contradict your smug theori bill mayn
alt.atheism	societ basi for moral apr cnsvax uwec edu nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye write repli cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb moral come societ accept follow that expect follow notion societ mandat moral pardon extrem couldn murder your brother and that exercis right felt good didn want forc moral don follow your moral that moral subject each person entitl moral attitud mine not priori correct els thi not mean that judg anoth basi moral standard entitl moral sens tell rest societi entitl pass law spell punish for behavior that offens major make can forc moral can want decid disagre crimin not behavior moral realiz that immor and not care not moral system immor good point immor opinion don choos make decis that action wrong for for lai claim altern moral system sincer belief and intern consist sociopath lack innat moral sens admit lean idea innat moral sens basi for can such concept extend and incap behav moral hitler believ that action moral judg immor standard you mean that wrong for such thing not behav moral ey and chose basi condemn societi buzz word idea that action wrong for human societi hold that moral subject not mean that excus murder not object suddenli david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel mac michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu can explain chesterton
alt.atheism	nicknam articl dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write ssauyet eagl wesleyan edu scott sauyet write scott can hear sauyet ssauyet eagel wesleyan edu you speak can hear you sole intent learn fly
alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl pxq darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write dean kaflowitz decai cbnewsj att wrote interest origin notion you discuss moral free agenc that can god punish person for not believ that person natur and not for that person deni reason tell that god dean you let atheist mytholog great start realiz immedi that you not interest discuss and thump your babbl prefer answer heali reason and reason approach thing aren you creationist gui made lot silli statement evolut time ago confus you issu divin justic fundament doctrin christian man sin that time entir human race and punish mete necessarili affect entir race sole represent human come race speci share that judgement noth deserv perspect god human categori creat thing and that categori condemn duh gee talk christian mytholog hope discuss reason logic person you for your side repetit bore mytholog thousand time delet rest your remark spot that approach answer repetit uninterest doctrin and thought congratul you bill you wouldn logic argument bit you ball such persist lack function face repeat attempt assist you learn thi forum and past speak talent that meager abil don that capac for ignor influenc dean kaflowitz
alt.atheism	moral constant biblic rape last respons thi thread fell into bit bucket and vanish appear local repost sinc feel slight appear ignor post convers thread don want rob sinc thi date don feel compel respond articl apr watson ibm strom watson ibm rob strom write make two separ point attack face bibl interpret judg bibl todai you judg base us todai that comment rabbi teach etc suspect you meant thi context jewish tradit you refer problem highli interpret tradit thi happen schism occur and time larg and influenti branch heret group come favor exactli face interpret judg bibl origin written you read context time not todai assumpt and compar practic surround peopl context time import judgment ultim current understand base standard rel stabil success societi thi true compar practic surround peopl for instanc bibl surround peopl immor savag repuls and inhuman habit peopl for instanc worship singl god presenc symbol strongest tent templ multipl god presenc symbol repres statu bibl term idolatri inher evil evid that follow religion area and time bad peopl rel peopl bibl scissor and cloth past ancestor cut cloth scissor knew that inhuman neighbor cut bare teeth thi rel enlighten step forward earlier barbar and made transit modern civil paper cut that easier sound good presuppos teeth rend neighbor support for can argu that post facto assert inhuman neighbor can us make moral point that doesn mean that actual neighbor inhuman point such dehuman peopl across river mountain even peopl dwell common that complex and benign moral tradit evolv base mythic interpret that histori interest don fair that long tradit interpret and us attack condemn origin histori note that speak histor interpret for instanc claim that hammurabi ey for ey primit brutal retribut mose version enlighten benign fine tradit sinc interpret phrase that year ago meant thing argu parochi perspect belong thi tini tribe struggl overwhelm odd for surviv distinct tribe and thi book book tribe book command dedic ourselv studi improv world and set exampl light nation rever book and success scientist artist and musician leader import humanitarian hard for separ success peopl virtu book you argu that significantli book book that anoth tribe book book significantli don belittl accomplish intellectu jewish peopl analog sinc don tribe that similar closest can romani don make meaning comparison tradit reflect studi flexibl dogmat interpret good thing that such attitud case made that you start captain america comic babylonian equival jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can
alt.atheism	satan vers onc thi post delai for week fall softwar crack articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write promis rafiq zakaria discuss natur call satan vers rushdi titl rafiq zakaria muhammad and quran penguin follow introduct controversi incid and apologet explan purport show couldn happen histor episod doesn matter follow don whether quot gregg zakaria below back current affair rushdi admiss drawn version orientalist watt thi incid not rushdi watt dug stori myth you will umar khan muslim school boi and girl and rushdi and gibreel farishta and allow imagin run wild thi write fiction rushdi write crisi faith and chose thi myth present place actor gibreel role angel name rushdi not write histori theologi book and claim impli that thi happen somewhat stori woven relationship jesu and reform prostitut mari magdalen anoth myth refer arthurian mytho grail legend wander jew dozen you can stand read work blasphem salman rushdi children book haroun and sea stori for idea storytel specif storytel work exist stori line ridicul muhammad integr muhammad mahound integr not impugn thi part stori and reason thi rushdi intent gibreel archangel produc vers divin and satan doesn proven not impli straight read that muhammad influenc not voic never such word classi speaker never never will thi isn voic voic mahound ey open wide kind vision stare that gibreel rememb lip move move don can nevertheless come mouth throat past teeth word god postman fun yaar butbutbut god isn thi pictur god postman ambigu mahound manipul gibreel satan answer not question rais thi explor faith and role revel religion thing address loss faith implicitli rais question truth revel thi propos answer not directli exist newsgroup name alt atheism rais question forcefulli and propos answer real relev rushdi mild fiction explor filth and li and ask for fatwa list that rhetor question jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can
alt.atheism	apostl tortur anoth articl that fell crack articl qiu innpq srvr engin umich edu ingl engin umich edu rai ingl write evid for resurrect claim that discipl tortur death for belief and not renounc claim that jesu had come back dead skim act and such and found refer thi happen stephen thi appar wide held belief come evid bibl evid bibl haven found briefli widespread folklor good documentari evid even solid rumor death apostl usual context such argument you observ martyr for lie willing peopl die recant evid for truth belief thi add quit stronger twist that propos martyr offer chanc life recant sinc don even di don thi inform even case stephen not clear that save recant willing true believ die for belief jesu jim jone document martyrdom and king for biblic account martyrdom priest baal jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can
alt.atheism	read rushdi satan vers anoth rescu bit bucket year furor thi book discuss and net gener discuss come content hand that tsv contain such blood libel islam merit not death ban and sort punish and that rushdi muslim western countri had write and publish chose whether muslim find offens fear persecut death natur inclin posit find interest posit thi fine book incident concern islam and damn can find malevol offens year made thi point primarili muslim poster respond that read book and had call such thing filth and li rank rushdi book hitler mein kempf wors and comment gener and attempt follow request explan for specif offens met stoni silenc gener inaccur context refer book lead that read correct and attempt discuss text context sinc thi line discuss rest readership read thi book your thought jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can
alt.atheism	moral constant biblic rape thi respons origin fell into bit bucket repost bill doesn ignor articl jxd darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write jim perri perri dsinc wrote stuff biblic moral bill quot had bill busi and get thi appar you fundament confus atheism address famou faq your gener misplac atheism needn impli materi lack absolut moral system tend materi and don absolut moral answer your question can atheist judg atheist judg that theist person understand moral that don absolut doesn mean that don explicit line post you that express judgment moral issu base judgment code claim that absolut sens good bad moral code not that christian muslim atheist that object genocid not express line societi hold your moral exist and form answer mechanist your tast that moral code prerequisit for function societi and that human evolv moral part evolut abil exist larg societi therebi achiev consider surviv advantag you that god made rule can convinc share common understand moral issu you you your religion and you earli childhood teach that you don god told peopl noth god god command that electr event your nervou system that creat emot state that your mind coupl pre exist thought set form that reaction you read wrong sort comic book pry gobbledygook basic agre you that mental reaction stimuli such god command genocid canaanit mechanist that true you reaction whether god exist even whether god exist command genocid not good supposedli attribut god thi you exclud discuss valu wrong goood evil etc and cannot particip your opinion bibl can weight whatsoev hmm heavi faq read you good place discuss valu etc person fact can accomplish such discuss frame question term reason for instanc clear that environ neighbor tribe period attempt wipe each base imagin divin command qualiti life will gener poor system that foster coexist superior qualiti life agre goal absolutist hand can thump portion bibl happen agre and thi good even act question unequivoc bad standard discuss attempt defin group peopl exclud discuss such that cannot particip and opinion weight whatsoev lowest form reason hominem poison and resort can ration defend idea wrong and bibl jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can
alt.atheism	origin bibl articl apr nott eczcaw mip nott wainwright write argument origin bibl theist acquaint state that thousand bibl discov point time syllabl perfect thi meant that copi time time quot acquaintac approxim year death jesu you can your friend that publish warehous time and thousand copi joi cook and syllabl perfect sinc sold and becom follow joi cook incid mention convinc onc and for that joi cook inspir god and true path glori dean kaflowitz sauc you
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost articl qsum inng shellei washington edu jimh carson washington edu jame hogan write you miss point alt atheism for instanc expon base anagram fulli extend translat dig tunnel deep store grain prepar for come struggl you doubt recogn thi quot chairman mao you admit that atheist lot sleev you suspect agnost will gulag mao atheist order put red book that green jim god dead and actor plai part sting word fear will find place your heart histori voic reason faith curs will teach freedom past thing can wors noth
alt.atheism	christian moral dan schaertel dp nasa kodak wrote sinc thi alt atheism hope you don mind strongli disagre fact god you you for minut you love you you made love you want love you respons you love god and step promis for you you for knock and open you dan didn thi work firmli believ god for year eventu realis delud fear face truth ultim reason believ fear hell mental state had sillili attribut divin forc devil attempt destroi faith noth imagin and easi achiev mental state will faith learn fear disguis doubt thi disput not givin sincer effort god demand dan believ for year sincer effort equival activ suspens disbelief case quit god not faith can concern god moral and mental health want revel guidanc can feel creat didn make task easier suppos love refus commun point etern tortur for can love god love seduc simpl logic argument folli you read bibl you will that jesu made fool trick logic abil reason spec creation ultim you reli simpli your reason you will never you your argument type you onc you atheist sincer and believ for year eventu honest admit that had live virtual realiti reason can us don spiritu mean christian refer conscienc disagre bibl don even soul fulli depend bodi thi bodi flame ident god can entertain copi learn you accept that you don thi mean learn you accept that you don learn you accept don thi not prefer learn unwis swallow you read suppos write book tell great invis pink unicorn help daili problem you accept thi sinc you can whether true not note that gipu omnipot omnipres and love and guid writer thi planet you and and not peopl write legendari stori year ago your god aspect and presenc petri petri pihko kem pmp mathemat truth pihati finou oulu physic rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistri game
alt.atheism	gulf war sell arm articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough write parallel thread definit bomb etc delet aaaahhh innoc kill concentr camp hmm schedul enter concentr camp had not shut captur alli hmm civilian di that war matter you civilian die proper don sell bastard arm and inform place ruthlessli hunt posit power mathew agre thi crux your posit isn that shouldn support hussein and sold arm fight iran agre and agre ruthlessli hunt sell arm hussein and deal invad kuwait sit back and sold arm suppos us bad for kuwait sit back and let thing not correct mistak destroi hussein militari potenti move agre your statement reagan and bush made grave error judgment sell arm hussein not gulf war you abhor and west shortsighted sell arm hussein ultim made war inevit agre delet mathew regard jim
alt.atheism	studi book mormon that transcedent temptat paul kurtz good section origin mormon you want scott
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost articl timmbak mcl timmbak mcl ucsb edu bake timmon write timmbak mcl ucsb edu bake timmon subject amus atheist and agnost date apr gmt big delet atheist show poor understand human natur peopl sympath shake head disbelief such childish rant anoth string idiot gener gad surpris thi post guess name crt phil trodwel thi space happi ram goddam volt cattl for rent prod into that tub you not cheap thi radio hunter thompson
alt.atheism	perhap prophet that week appear and can claim activ timer new softwar get bit rot and ship outgo articl into deep hole repost articl innf senat bedfellow mit edu tcbruno athena mit edu tom bruno write bring point post peopl alt atheism sinc damnedest stai top newsgroup you fall you fall dai you don fall last mondai admittedli long weekend had messag dai hiatu chang job last fall sinc delug inquir mind want track infam poster alt atheism end onc leav newsgroup curiou guess hell norwai rubber room funni farm seminari not jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can
alt.atheism	strong weak atheism that faq modifi defin strong atheist not assert nonexist god assert that nonexist god thread thi earlier didn outcom adam nicknam cooper adam john cooper verili laugh weakl thought good simpli acoop macalstr edu had claw
alt.atheism	faith and dogma articl apr edt neat toronto edu tgk toronto edu todd kellei write light happen waco chest sadli understand faith and dogma danger religion inher encourag implement faith and dogma and for that reason scorn religion fair you qualifi thi semit western religion you basic ahead and thi express thi notion past christian debat whether christian leav room for reason claim ration quell christian faith and dogma thi evalu person level for exampl jesu and didn that thing and seemingli billion and billion christian sect arisen perhap that total dedic ration and believ christ pantheism bibl amaz peopl come guis person interpret philosoph cannot christian philosoph can chang mind christian cannot due natur faith and dogma present religion thi good point quintessenti christian set system valu belief for work and event experi understand and deablabl framework thi system individu inabl not difficulti chang import problem such system system cannot open mind point test hypothes basic premis system destroi faith invest test fail word fairer test and evalu moral bia respons lose retain system claim that christian philosoph not christian person belief moment correspond christian that person visit guard prison not prison you defin prison simpli prison can defin prison moment prison can defin christian moment christian belief person free not prison similarli person not constrain faith and dogma not christian interest basic boil individu nuanc not will admit and mass orient divis appal becom irrelev admit word game dictionari definit religion religion concern exist visibl world differenti philosophi that oper faith intuit reason webster word game don claim that religion genocid that human atheist genocid will human don will human don real differ and peopl color skin languag belief grant religion gun that doesn kill religion encourag faith and dogma and doesn directli condemn peopl encourag us think think that kill peopl case peopl becom bullet and religion gun offer adequ harm bold extend your simili religion good qualiti encourag benevol and philanthropi bad thing faith dogma and tradit put good thing care reason and scienc result secular human wouldn nice secular humanist supernaturalist you even leav god secular emphasi supernaturalist start think and realiz that belief god doesn put ahead understand univers poke fun supernaturalist understand not human capabl thought and genocid and even mass suicid not will bet that todd todd kellei tgk toronto edu depart comput scienc univers toronto regard adam john cooper verili laugh weakl thought good simpli acoop macalstr edu had claw
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl mvo blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write read thi group benefit know deviant view articul not true view khomeini basic principl islam point view atheist you claim khomeini wasn practic true islam that you member group suppos you two true muslim thi good point made clear claim that khomeini advoc view contradit qur and argument for thi thi that can check suffici interest khomeini dead can respond anoth poster support khomeini respond obfuscationist sophistri thi quit clear atheist suscept religionist mode obfuscation answer your question you can judg learn islam that read qur and understand basic principl onc thi rel easi principl islam and act odd islam khomeini attribut superhuman statu twelv muslim histor leader varianc basic principl islam that human metaphys human and sens closer god metaphys natur gregg
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write thi support noth reason that thi piec anoth anti islam slander job respect for titl for real content can thi articl want true can you bcci not islam bank spend time respond propaganda respond thi sub thread don feel deep make statement effect that propaganda fals discuss issu glad real discuss provid refer etc you admit that thi thorough argument support proposit your propganda hope you can not find thi argument compel you want refut point poster repli quit busi and don time respond full scholarli form accus that flippantli made antagonist and you consid that perhap peopl that not spread propaganda consid spread falsehood ignor spread falsehood falsehood gener not come produc peopl that not truth such spread falsehood propaganda level not posit sinc noth situat that not estim qualifi head ass bob never accus you your head your ass take quit time deal accus head ass accus origin poster benedikt impair cheer gregg
alt.atheism	apostl tortur willing true believ die for belief jesu jim jone document martyrdom and depth belief religion delud believ and con men differ will follow belief hand even second hand knowledg origin apostl di began myth hope exploit for profit and that myth death that inconsist real con men bail obviou lead discomfort pain and death stori king prophet baal thi debat can easili assum that believ that overwhelm vindic elijah forthcom simpli fool shown fire heaven swift and seizur and death equal swift
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl unix portal danb shell portal dan babcock write articl mvo blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write read thi group benefit know deviant view articul not true view khomeini basic principl islam point view atheist you claim khomeini wasn practic true islam that you member group suppos you two true muslim easi read koran koran perfect possibl disagr smili thi isn suppos post hand suppos motiv appar idea poke fun religion sort reason argument thi statement worthless presum qur perfect religi text that plenti room for disagr implic for issu essenti respond question judgment made two peopl fact disagre islam doesn presum qur suffici clariti for import disput basic principl islam thi constitut claim that two peopl disagr issu relev islam gregg
alt.atheism	societ accept behavior articl qgm new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb subject societ accept behavior date mon apr gmt question for basi moral moral ethic behavior societ accept behavior societi defin accept legal moral posit mac wow you think thi interest question that recent move societi classifi previous social unaccept legal activ past two coexist method social control and explicit legal control that set action defin illeg and specif defin set punish secondli and somewhat hidden social control action consid social unaccept and not cover legal control scrictli control social censur ideal social work legal control need sinc peopl voluntarilli control action due pressur social censur control manifest dai dai life guilt and moral heard and fulli that weren for vast major peopl polic legal control absolut imposs last year move attempt dissengag individu societ control ain illeg don pick not thi wrong that byproduct societi high educ level high exposur altern idea popular media high level institution individu right and orient cultur guess that state transit western world that idea can can peopl base person squeamish fulli bent maxim individu freedom max long freedom don imping anoth imho societi persu two mutual exclus end and persu individu right satisfi territori and domin instinct remov social inher fear base ignor will result continu destabil societi quick fix idea can ourselv thi mess never consent roll back person freedom order stabil societi develop societi follow darwinian process select for stabil can find social model maxim indiv freed stabl perhap live stabl societi comment answer question don want phil trodwel thi space happi ram goddam volt cattl for rent prod into that tub you not cheap thi radio hunter thompson
alt.atheism	gulf war death penalti polit atheist articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write don sell bastard arm and inform place ruthlessli hunt posit power look back thi and ask question peopl and inform had claim and you pooh pooh not sold iraq arm navi made ussr vessel airforc not includ stuff captur kuwait not doesn includ equip missil tank almost soviet french tank older stuff iraqi arsen not sold iraq iraq captur countri kuwait inform hard prove you claim that sold inform prove build iraq gave fairli conclus evid that didn sell arm iraq inform hard prove almost sell inform that fact classifi and you can prove you can provid evid that sold arm valuabl intellig iraq interest not you make claim base mccullou whippl wisc edu never program and drink beer time doesn work
alt.atheism	read rushdi satan articl innknk bozo dsinc perri dsinc jim perri write sinc thi line discuss rest readership read thi book your thought read found wonder for reason flame remind hemingwai carl orff and van gogh not onc geoff arnold nf architect sun select geoff arnold east sun made thing great lie gui two thousand year ago wine tear garden
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral repli frank frank dwyer problem for objectivist determin statu moral truth and method can establish accept that such judgement not report relat naturalist fallaci cannot prove fact natur world thi can avoid two wai leav good undefin sinc claim that not ly touch human undeserv repli good undefin undefin you requir that innat you back subjectiv defin good sole term evalu term ditto evalu statement impli judgement part person make thi point objectivist talk evid truth pretti percept that prof flew can deni subjectivist claim that evid mind behold deni that subject object true dichotomi explain thi help don your argument not left claim that moral judgement true noth moral judgement true thi thing that commonli refer nihil entail that scienc irrepect fact that peopl find arriv relativ subjectiv thi argument beat thi make sens flew argu that thi objectivist wind not subjectivist nihilist believ noth scienc materi revolut and peopl subjectivist feel that that remain that moral judgement associ hold moral opinion suggest not true prefer human activ and prefer includ terror that moral opinion not true likewis prefer includ noterror that moral opinion not true choos set prefer includ terrorisim includ noterror reason thi patent absurd and not posit subjectivist point you ditch strawman and repli mike cobb root messag thread societ basi for moral david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel
alt.atheism	risen repli kmr cwru edu keith ryan lord and savior david keresh risen aliv spread word jeez can straight told wait for dai god david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel
alt.atheism	colleg atheist read articl poll student ivi leagu school report that student indentifi atheist thi lot higher gener popul reason for thi discrep intellig younger thi wave futur david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost repli timmbak mcl ucsb edu bake timmon kind ignor demonstr post thi newsgroup for instanc gener christian popular newsgroup you read anti christian post virtual respons christian post you will burn hell kind drivel soft atheist courtesi faq even bibl that repeatedli warn fals prophet preach name god bake transpar obviou that you theist pretend atheist you you clever thi time possibl creator and etern carri emot power dismiss basi thi line you dismiss you atheist religion hard atheism faith word you didn read faq david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel
alt.atheism	shit shovel amus atheist and repli jimh carson washington edu jame hogan predilict shit shovel latest you atheist arriv show ignor bill bobbi bake engag reason discours flame fest entertain thread tug war folk bobbi grown time view that for entertain longer entertain into kill file david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost timmbak mcl ucsb edu half bake timmon write maddi whirr click whirr frank dwyer contain that shell pop stack determin whirr click whirr killfil keith allen schneider frank closet theist dwyer maddi mad sound geek hausmann name killfil keith nicknam maddi never post hausmann and don you dare forget half noth higher stronger wholesom and life good memori alyosha brother karamazov dostoevski you quot ivan karamazov atheist maddi hausmann madhau netcom centigram commun corp san jose california kid don thi home rememb post profession
alt.atheism	death penalti polit athei date tue apr mathew mathew manti great film call manufactur consent noam chomski and media canadian film berlin film festiv thi year you chanc and can recommend book read think order book review claim good introduct polit activ dig titl mathew chomski reader edit jame peck publish pantheon
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost date apr gmt bake timmon timmbak mcl ucsb edu rememb koresh dri for your sin and pass that beef jerki umm umm wasn can reli you post cook
alt.atheism	societ accept behavior cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write question for basi moral moral ethic behavior societ accept behavior societi societi collect individu will fall defin rule term decis set peopl repres consid part that societi feder law provid repres pure citizen societi for that case citizen and defin accept accept behaviour legisl for societi repres that societi behaviour verbal and effect conscious such pick your nose oprah winfrei show explicit law case definit whether not behaviour accept can deduc behaviour observ legal moral posit increasingli litig mad societi thi trap exceedingli difficult avoid infus and strengthen ethnic cultur american and australian bring local perspect cultur boundari accept behaviour widen and legisl eventu becom definit moral behaviour for instanc cultur domin religion call for live sacrific domest anim fundament christian find thi practic abhorr moral multicultur american societi thi kind problem defin legisl societi will differ opinion accept behaviour not and thi will due environment circumst opinion thing for univers moral code will suit cultur situat global accept more can agre and instanti global enforc concept major more will not common peopl thi earth live similar environ that happen jeff nonicknam clark
alt.atheism	you will hell articl apr nuscc nu cmtan iss nu tan chade meng dan write cmtan iss nu tan chade meng dan subject you will hell date tue apr gmt articl jsn psuvm psu edu jsn psuvm psu edu write you blashephem you will hell for not believ god prepar for your etern damnat arrgg anoth anoth letter big gui dear god back heaven leav ration intellig peopl alon love meng unenlighten tan chade meng light end tunnel singapor cmtan iss nu come train meng prayer dear god save world like tammi
alt.atheism	you will hell articl cbnewsj att decai cbnewsj att dean kaflowitz write decai cbnewsj att dean kaflowitz subject you will hell date tue apr gmt articl portal videocart dfuller portal videocart dave fuller write jsn psuvm psu edu write you blashephem you will hell for not believ god prepar for your etern damnat you mean prepar surround thumper proven hellish and not even dead prepar big beach umbrella gel pack ic thing big coleman cooler load miller draft miller draft sue pair balanc sneaker soni watchman and coupl carton bonton cheddar chees popcorn haven decid wear wear etern damnat dean kaflowitz you wear your nicest boxer short and bring plenti spf sunscreen grab bath suit towerl and veggi hotdog and can bonfir cookout that sound good you dean poster invit tammi trim heali
alt.atheism	death penalti gulf war long jbrown batman bmd trw fact that situat exist that prompt and alli action back water countri back water countri wouldn interven not that don care can world policman coup had occur kuwait invas wouldn act not immin danger perceiv saudi arabia combin two unprovok invas genocid tyrant and potenti danger west oil interest caus action indic that place had saddam want plan into saudi arabia thi openli state pentagon analyst pull jbrown batman bmd trw not set strawman you want argu war logic altern hussein kuwait diplomat altern includ sanction ineffect report mid east countri show that hussein readi make concess due sanction didn want want crush battl test high tech toi built year jbrown batman bmd trw not savior world can polic each and countri that decid destruct invad anoth strateg posit relief tibet east timor place hypocrit magnitud don give shit freedom and democraci care oil and excus that soviet board sizabl militari presenc gulf region care make bet troop will come home basic saddam killer tortur peopl us ga and horror brutal dictat brutal dictat onc fuck you hitler for noriega bastard bastard chang mind and had rid david hunt graduat slave mind mechan engin idea opinion palestinian and carnegi mellon univers us golden rule jewish homeland email bluelobst cmu edu work pile higher and deeper will great dai scientist and engin monei and religion beg for monei pai priest
alt.atheism	societ accept behavior articl new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write qvh tinnsg citat ksu ksu edu yohan citat ksu ksu edu jonathan newton write articl qgm new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write question for basi moral moral ethic behavior societ accept behavior disagre societi think irrelev individu decid that import thi doesn want kill you can that decid exactli thi dissapoint answer interplai two person etho and societ moral person gener learn set belief express pure mental verbal level and don find express societi impur not sens bad state sometim thi societi thi fairli obviou not societi mandat societi disagre mandat societ mandat make standard for moral feel oneself part societi real sens us obviou exampl polit societi and racial societi and gender societi and sometim not agre issu defin accept gener feel idiot polici can basi admit ti loos feel that intuit thing wrong hard defend perhap infam you want long doesn hurt problem thi that you can not moral that doesn propound specif prefer behaviour legal moral posit think for ourselv agre action legal not make moral add hearti two action moral not make legal doesn impress mac michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu tax and spend cut billion dollar deficit michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu can explain chesterton regard adam john cooper verili laugh weakl thought good simpli acoop macalstr edu had claw
alt.atheism	societ accept behavior articl new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write guess delv into religi languag area exactli moral moral hope not subject thi you spiral moral moral moral label don make argument solid measur stick action can interpret even thi moral for exampl thing for ensur that will eat and drink action weigh thi statement help thi goal moral not immor thi lead such blank space wai fulfil goal hyper moral appli method never thought eat meat moral immor differenti not person choic prefer and not immor fall basi moral moral immor stop long hand gut reaction perhap discrimin moral don instinct thing vegetarian instinct feel tortur wrong thought long and listen argument perhap reason that wrong that differ consensu posit fall make you brought societ mandat control time make mac michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu can explain chesterton regard adam adam john cooper verili laugh weakl thought good simpli acoop macalstr edu had claw
alt.atheism	societ basi for moral articl sad new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write apr cnsvax uwec edu nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye write repli cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb moral come societ accept follow that expect follow notion societ mandat moral pardon extrem couldn murder your brother and that exercis right felt good didn want forc moral don follow your moral that moral subject each person entitl moral attitud mine not priori correct els thi not mean that judg anoth basi moral standard entitl moral sens tell rest societi entitl pass law spell punish for behavior that offens major make can forc moral can want decid disagre agre you sens that moral inflict rule thing add almost avoid pain and that mean sacrif stuff for herd moral crimin not behavior moral realiz that immor and not care not moral system immor good point immor opinion don choos make decis that action wrong for and sinc grew and learn idea and wrong part incorpor rare you crimin behaviour for philosoph reason for lai claim altern moral system sincer belief and intern consist sociopath lack innat moral sens admit lean idea innat moral sens basi for can such concept extend stuff delet you mean that wrong for such thing not behav moral ey and chose basi condemn societi buzz word idea that action wrong for human societi hold that moral subject not mean that excus murder not object suddenli david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel mac michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu can explain chesterton regard adam adam john cooper verili laugh weakl thought good simpli acoop macalstr edu had claw
alt.atheism	you will hell articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write you wear your nicest boxer short and bring plenti spf sunscreen grab bath suit towerl and veggi hotdog and can bonfir cookout that sound good you dean poster invit room for nudist you upstand moral church nuditi sin sole intent learn fly
alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl minster york cjh minster york write you that physic adam and ev and that human direct decend two human be cain and wive couldn sister didn daughter human genesi and dai adam begat seth hundr year and begat son and daughter felicit chri stuart incestu adam happen sig cooper
alt.atheism	test ignor test adam john cooper verili laugh weakl thought good simpli acoop macalstr edu had claw understand anoth fear your comprehens gandalf
alt.atheism	amus atheist and anarchist articl timmbak mcl timmbak mcl ucsb edu bake timmon write mccullou whippl wisc edu write line atheist have sleev impli that read clipper project and paranoia seep clipper project btw clipper initi announc clinton that secur voic phone will us crypto chip facto govern standard problem govern admit that hold kei break code easili and justic depart will kei listen illeg activ peopl scare such initi major step outlaw real crypto protect thing email you read press releas project develop nsa and nist two kei and that govern claim need break code claim that kei will hand two compani and warrant wiretap chip nicknam wiretap chip kei compani peopl poke hole and press releas offici version and shown nice sound and simplifi version peopl sci crypt scare thi propos mccullou whippl wisc edu never program and drink beer time doesn work
alt.atheism	pope jewish date tue apr gmt bruce rake bruce cortex dixi mcgoi unicorn ac ttu edu david mcgaughei write thought that pope bear you that bear shit wood pope cathol connect two line and heard bear cathol pope nevermind bruce rake softwar system manag elekta instrument inc execut park suit atlanta voic fax email bruce elekta alabama bear cathol pope shit wood pope not bear bear god paul bear bryant footbal coach god univers alabama
alt.atheism	faith and dogma tgk toronto edu todd kellei write light happen waco chest faith and dogma danger religion inher encourag implement faith and dogma and for that reason scorn religion don necessarili disagre your assert disagre your reason faith bad dogma bad religion faith dogma religion bad bad religion bad you never state faith and dogma danger you faith and dogma danger happen waco you miss point branch davidian made mistak confus messag messeng believ koresh prophet and believ problem wasn religion follow didn die faith and dogma di zealotri case children zealotri parent express thi notion past christian debat whether christian leav room for reason claim ration quell christian faith and dogma christian total irrat irrat respect religion you belief christian god not make total irrat you get hear you expand subject philosoph cannot christian philosoph can chang mind christian cannot due natur faith and dogma present religion thi statement gener christian perfectli capabl philosoph and absolut capabl chang mind faith god belief and belief chang you assert that atheist make poor philosoph predispos not god show unfair bia studi religion claim that christian philosoph not christian person belief moment correspond christian that person visit guard prison not prison you defin prison simpli prison can defin prison moment prison can defin christian moment christian belief person free not prison similarli person not constrain faith and dogma not christian christian prison heard parol you read into thi subject christian follow religion base teach man name jesu christ thi definit impli that cannot chang mind prison you can decid leav voluntari not two not compat religion gun that doesn kill religion encourag faith and dogma and doesn directli condemn peopl encourag us think think that kill peopl prefer religion water pistol fill urin not religion condemn group peopl common target infidel curiou altern atheist insert specif religi affili person race egyptian explain think kill peopl and state your answer waco not human capabl thought and genocid and even mass suicid not will bet that your conscienti peacenik and rais you religi zealot bad acn wasn awar mass suicid problem waco and jonestown isol incid mass suicid common kevin marshal comput scienc depart virginia tech marshal csugrad edu blacksburg virginia
alt.atheism	church satan islam author sic women david rice ofa fidonet org write marshal csugrad edu kevin marshal csugrad edu yeah hilari satanist satan god not god satan part christian mytholog cannot worship satan acknowledg exist christian god satanist satan master and god and satan adversari similar power satanist eventu overthrow god and transfer power master kevin marshal great satanist not satan don assert that orthodox satanist not worship satan church satan etc worship hear lavei idiot and fool satan and allah knew that sucker born minut maximu anton lavei interpret satan puzzl read satan bibl year ago for social studi project book arthur lyon call cult devil worship america includ interest interview black pope that satan instrument for realiz refer satan refer mishmash rural satan ritual and witchcraft exist church satan don lavei church orthodox follow satanist lavei combin philosophi nietzsch crowlei and reich slap religi doctrin ad touch barnum and christen creation church satan doubt titl calcul attempt attract attent suppos easili call church free sex rate work for heydai church had huge includ such hollywood celebr sammi davi and jayn mansfield pictur lavei sammi find idea satanist not believ satan credibl christian not believ christ you includ church satan suppos alter definit webster dictionari and american heritag dictionari will kevin marshal comput scienc depart virginia tech marshal csugrad edu blacksburg virginia
alt.atheism	read rushdi satan vers articl edm apr gocart twisto compaq edm twisto compaq mccreari write topic book notic that pain ag reason hard find want pick copi for not bad mail order notic that bookstor carri thought thi suppos classic deal local us book store second largest west coast and couldn find copi guess atheist hold bibl esteem theist bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	islam genocid articl horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl qkovl fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write fals dichotomi you claim kill not religi motiv and that wrong not that each and kill religi motiv spell detail kill you relig motiv for exampl claim that recent assassin cathol construct worker had connect ira relig motiv time write that claim current violenc motiv religion reach you call write kill not relig motiv argu that religion past major contribut factor violenc present don evid that thi and not historian debat that avow aim ira northern ireland into countri that church written into constitut and restrict civil right dictat that church fail word past claim that kill not relig motiv grotesqu that mean that church and believ histori can face rewrit you attack claim claim that ira terrorist plant bomb warrington not motiv greater glori god frank put quot your word your post horu mchp sni don that claim you can longer stand your origin claim mean thing kill not relig motiv terrorist plant bomb doesn religi motiv exampl meant clarifi not claim claim refer claim you seemingli attack previou post that religion not major histor present violenc don assert that assert opposit you don hand bunch doubl talk seemingli attack quot attack jon
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write jkj fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write understand that blasphemi law exist us appli anglican christian thi fit your claim that state religion don you approx two million british muslim break time dai and never prosecut easi hold christian church servic saudi arabia jon
alt.atheism	read rushdi satan vers articl innknk bozo dsinc perri dsinc jim perri write sinc thi line discuss rest readership read thi book your thought read and controversi broke put name wait list librari that book offens monei find author publish and read cover cover us phrase that popular and like write style hard us worth effort come similar background rushdi grew bombai muslim famili and move england grew delhi made strong impress and us strang construct indian english yaar end sentenc butbutbut occasion hindi phrase etc time sorta kinda thought muslim and couldn flap clear that thi allegori clear that describ local prostitut name and persona muham wive and had not grandfath thunder impli that muham wive prostitut short angri muslim that had read even part book miss point complet and won mention fact that milit had never even book oop perhap deep sens book insult islam expos silli reveal religion omnipot deiti agent can come directli can that muham didn into desert and smoke and that scribe dictat quran didn screw put vers and can muham marri women muslim allow biggest insult islam that major follow want suppress book sight unseen holi gui not mention murder author year made thi point primarili muslim poster respond that read book and had call such thing filth and li rank rushdi book hitler mein kempf wors and had respons talk book silli argument peopl read mein kampf made afraid don read book and decid for reaction muslim commun book and absenc protest liber muslim khomeini fatwa outrag final push need into atheism shamim moham uunet noao cmcl arizona shamim shamim arizona edu thi cross and garlic mezuzah jewish page koran muslim and zen buddhist you your member leagu for program freedom write lpf uunet net
alt.atheism	univers and black hole year articl apr iastat edu iastat edu warren vonroeschlaub wrote that drop marbl into black hole race faster even horizon curv space caus excess graviti object approach event horizon travel integr curv time reach event horizon infin math that noth can enter black hole not true observ rest infinit distanc black hole will particl infinit time reach horizon particl refer frame take finit time reach horizon and singular math predict thi mitchner thorn and wheeler gravit peter walker don forget sing heaven for will wait ain laugh sinner cry saint sinner fun good die young
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write articl qla afp fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write hope islam bank bcci rip small depositor muslim commun and grow childish propagandist bbci exampl islam own and oper bank will bet weren real islam owner and oper islam bank bank oper rule islam regard bank thi explicitli bank thi not case bcci you that islam bank bcci you care explain that hope islam bank bcci you call childish propagandist jon
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write differ understand that invest share risk ventur bank lend monei charg interest bank take risk entir busi bank manag risk that bank for that peopl work for bank that financi stuff ain thing that case you post hear you don understand thi stuff islam jon
alt.atheism	cruel polit atheist articl qnpe inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write spent quit bit time word constitut realis that thi wide held belief america fact claus cruel and unusu punish lot rest lift english bill right word not mean didn spend time word part post you helpfulli delet point that us word english bill right appar chang understood and ask two hundr year bound keith allan schneider think understood look dictionari defin word isn thi suffici sinc dictionari that lack merci intent inflict injuri grief count cruel peopl can describ cruel thi punish cannot cannot cruel fate your prevar get increasingli unconvinc jon
alt.atheism	cruel polit atheist articl apr bmerh bnr dgraham bmer bnr dougla graham write articl qnedm fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl mdinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write spent quit bit time word constitut realis that thi wide held belief america fact claus cruel and unusu punish lot rest lift english bill right jerri mander absenc sacr good book btw great bind law iroquoi confederaci plai signific role model for constitut appar marx and engel strongli influenc studi iroquoi societi prime exampl success classless egalitarian noncoerc societi mander that and studi origin document figur each wrong and time that fascin heard that chines italian invent pasta jon
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl qnp inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write perhap chimp that fail evolv cooper behaviour di and left that evolv such behaviour chanc that entir point that point evolut not point natur moral suggest time natur moral renam you proclaim natur moral time organ evolv cooper behaviour natur moral moral that develop natur your stronger thi you agre that time organ evolv cooper behaviour you call natur moral natur moral bee danc huh bee danc natur develop piec cooper behaviour jon
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl apr daffi wisc edu mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough write articl afp fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl ajinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write chimp system live social group law dictat undesir behavior verb warn that back kindergarten such law jon hei verb languag happen modifi english verb sentenc thi modifi that verb languag complain assert contain word jon
alt.atheism	satan articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write jon livesei write that peopl time copi text correctli translat present complet issu read paper that qumram text had version text misunderstand read newspap learn thi kind stuff not idea world newspap report notori ignor subject religion and prone exagger interest real stori that bigger headlin back thi point masoret text targum translat commentari arama etc and septuagint ancient greek translat masoret text standard jewish text and essenti not vari place obviou corrupt copi faithfulli copi copi passag past interpret refer targum and septuagint time copi text correctli that includ obviou corrupt septuagint differ masoret text two particular includ addit text and second passag variant read masoret text addit fix predat corrupt passag emphas that knowledg variat signifc bibl scholar and theolog import time copi text correctli that not exclud variant read masoret text theolog import dead sea scroll materi add thi ancient copi almost isaiah and fragment size almost book abund materi sign hebrew antecd apocrypha extra text septuagint analysi proceed variat dss text and masoret version tend reflect septuagint isn error differ not signific theolog thi big expect that great theolog surpris lurk materi thi hasn happen dss import almost textual tradit unlik for hei you expert jon
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost articl ofp vpdinppwh andrew cmu edu nanci ann miller andrew cmu edu write timmbak mcl ucsb edu bake timmon write li hypocrisi dude atheism take faith theism admit not believ god mean doesn deal extra baggag that come thi leav person feel wonderfulli free beaten head for year agre that religion and belief import psycholog healer for peopl and for that reason import forc psycholog fantasi don mean that bad that isn interest extrem rude believ santa clau and that note that belief god behavor imper lack belief religion harm not belief god dan
alt.atheism	faith and dogma articl eov aurora engr latech edu rai engr latech edu bill rai write todd kellei tgk toronto edu wrote faith and dogma danger faith and dogma inevit christian understand and admit fact give your proof that god exist that whichev posit you you forc faith good you posit for show interest exist god assum not exist stuff delet poster post thi not true for show interest exist god take faith you make presumpt that knowledg possibl requir faith render that possibilti interest thing that you don that you don suffic reason even interest not sometim interest that occupi your mind agre that faith and dogma inevit not necessarili appli god and religion take faith and dogma expect sun come morn overwhelm reason singl dai dai and dai for put faith and dogma not christian religion jim halat halat bear bear stearn doesn kill you will serv annoi you nyc speak for
alt.atheism	christian moral articl eastman dp nasa kodak dan schaertel wrote articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write not believ god not concern disposit beneath provid evid requir evid that person thi god find compel fact god you you for minut you love you you made love you want love you wouldn punish etern tortur didn love decent chap your god isn respons you love god and step promis for you you for look and wasn anoth promis broken doubt thi disput not givin sincer effort ly bastard you effort and not simpl logic argument folli you read bibl you will that jesu made fool trick logic abil reason spec creation ultim you reli simpli your reason you will never you learn you accept that you don can eaplain peter don forget sing heaven for will wait ain laugh sinner cry saint sinner fun good die young
alt.atheism	you will hell articl cbnewsj att decai cbnewsj att dean kaflowitz wrote articl portal videocart dfuller portal videocart dave fuller write jsn psuvm psu edu write you blashephem you will hell for not believ god prepar for your etern damnat you mean prepar surround thumper proven hellish and not even dead prepar big beach umbrella gel pack ic thing big coleman cooler load miller draft miller draft sue pair balanc sneaker soni watchman and coupl carton bonton cheddar chees popcorn haven decid wear wear etern damnat dean kaflowitz dress casual heaven dress code black tie and import express don forget sing heaven for will wait ain laugh sinner cry saint sinner fun good die young
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write jkj fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write alt atheism that condemn action call muslim condemn islam you read mind rice you poster not write for peopl post and that comment you misunderstood mean that not critic islam necessarili bring khomeini etc into argument for whether not islam determin examin action islam teach islam teach contain qur and hadith report sai and do prophet that funni thought you make statement peopl fact quot jon
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write jon found refer claim that percentag popul that suffer depress increas thi centuri you request will start head thread post cool can discuss increas radio and us increas us fossil fuel increas air travel and consumpt process bread and you can instruct increas depress jon
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism articl qugin horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl qkogg fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write and that area you care whether sceptic critic and autonom hand gullibl excit and easili led and atheist and gullibl excit and easili led that tendenc worship tyrant and ideolog that person easili led whether worship belief supernatur hero earthli besid point whether not atheist discuss not whether easili led not you show that hypothet atheist gullibl excit and easili led concret that case discuss that concret atheism factor that caus subsequ behaviour jon
alt.atheism	faith and dogma marshal csugrad edu kevin marshal eba hsq csugrad edu wrote don necessarili disagre your assert disagre your reason faith bad dogma bad religion faith dogma religion bad bad religion bad you never state faith and dogma danger faith and dogma danger peopl act faith alon natur justif that mean word faith belief justif belief arbitrari justif emot irrat justif for exampl that god exist that don god exist can feel that faith dogma bad preclud posit chang belief base inform increas mental faculti christian total irrat irrat respect religion you belief christian god not make total irrat you get hear you expand subject faith and dogma irrat faith and dogma part religion respons for irration individu claim that faith and dogma quintessenti part religion that make overus thi context buddism philosophi religion can live that scienc not religion faith dogma philosoph cannot christian philosoph can chang mind christian cannot due natur faith and dogma present religion thi statement gener christian perfectli capabl philosoph and absolut capabl chang mind faith god belief and belief chang you assert that atheist make poor philosoph predispos not god show unfair bia studi religion you notic that philosoph tend atheist philosoph not atheist call theologian christian christian sacr christian special set belief sanction god and conceiv chang belief question exist that make mistak faith come into plai dogma come into plai lord work mysteri wai exampl faith us reconcil evid that belief flaw interpret god chang satisfi societi god that and that that sinc god unflaw even interpret flaw scienc practic atheist contrast built defenc faith and dogma scientist hold sacr idea that belief chang suit inform time and and and scientist understand that current belief defici goal improv belief goal chang belief reflect inform that ration thing that good philosophi can you differ scienc view belief flaw and inform can obtain improv scientist claim complet and perfect understand put job religion view belief perfect and interpret belief chang inform acquir conflict explain think kill peopl and state your answer waco easier for kill person doesn requir good ration justif kill don jewish born jewish parent thi document jewish good ration justif wasn awar mass suicid problem waco and jonestown isol incid mass suicid common clinton and fbi love for you convinc thi save taxpay lot monei you todd
alt.atheism	faith and dogma eov aurora engr latech edu rai engr latech edu bill rai wrote faith and dogma inevit christian understand and admit fact give your proof that god exist that whichev posit you you forc faith good you posit for show interest exist god assum not exist special rel hasn prove disprov proof peopl interest satisfi that noth absolut exist god two possibl supernatur and natur set circumst can inconsist supernatur similarli set circumst can inconsist natur natur phenomenon that describ god consid part natur world studi natur phenomenon graviti for instanc for exampl loud godlik voic vocifer announc god exist and will prove revers forc graviti and graviti revers naturalist scientist boi didn understand graviti thought and that loud voic perhap didn understand thunder thought contend that proper implement christian faith requir reason that reason cannot us throw thing you don find uncomfort hedonist sexual behavior condemn bibl and act true reason will make condemn hatr murder gossip condemn god ordain murder bibl you bet and god order kill you will will us gideon behavior verifi that god order hit and will discuss abram fashion glad you don live sinc you don realiz imposs for you distinguish voic your head and god voic can hear you thi jim jone and david koresh justifi behavior delusion religi cult bear relationship christian that rape bear consentu sex form substanc southern baptist church methodist church begin thi you reason blame mainstream religion for behavior peopl associ neg behavior wit christian you you miss point even jim jone and david koresh not religi peopl point remain that faith and dogma danger and religion encourag jim jone and david koresh encourag point not reli jim jone and david koresh religi todd
alt.atheism	faith and dogma articl eov aurora engr latech edu rai engr latech edu bill rai write todd kellei tgk toronto edu wrote faith and dogma danger faith and dogma inevit christian understand and admit fact give your proof that god exist that whichev posit you you forc faith good you posit for show interest exist god assum not exist absolut not true religion establish you invent for theist and atheist equal not interest god religi revel inform god strip dogma and theist atheist simpli hold opinion matter practic import contend that proper implement christian faith requir reason that reason cannot us throw thing you don find uncomfort hedonist sexual behavior condemn bibl and act true reason will make condemn hatr murder gossip condemn god ordain murder bibl you bet and god order kill you will will us gideon behavior verifi that god order hit and will discuss abram fashion that doesn test will you appli decid whether god satan you speak will you that you not simpli insan delus you load gun can hear you thi jim jone and david koresh justifi behavior delusion religi cult bear relationship you not stupid assum southern baptist church methodist church begin thi you reason blame mainstream religion for behavior peopl associ neg behavior wit christian you thi togeth each human make small part definit human dan
alt.atheism	thought christian articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain wrote articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write you can physic problem passiv christian unlik smoke not that hard avoid christian todai ignor keith err kent whadda you mean you didn smilei ouch guess didn comment ironi into fire cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	read rushdi satan vers articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain wrote articl edm apr gocart twisto compaq edm twisto compaq mccreari write topic book notic that pain ag reason hard find want pick copi for not bad mail order notic that bookstor carri thought thi suppos classic deal local us book store second largest west coast and couldn find copi guess atheist hold bibl esteem theist rememb correctli prometheu book thi stock call and for book cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	ag reason read rushdi thi stori kent archetyp finn that live bai area and purchas thoma pain ag reason thi man drive stacei book inc cleanlight place dalton place ask for thi book educ american book store assist ask check thriller section that book not publish receiv book place assist bluntli that don such author that not live author don copi book such life and time america year revolut cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	thought articl rekj darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write jame felder spbach lerc nasa gov wrote logic alert argument incredul hard for you thi doesn mean that isn true liar can pursuas koresh that you cite thi basi great reject christian account thing word madalyn murrei hair face folk silli disbeliev your incredul you admit that fallaci isn and wasn awar that thi hair chick reader that doesn support your assert that argument basi great reject dan
alt.atheism	thought christian articl rgkb darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write kent sandvik sandvik newton appl wrote social pressur import factor for major passiv christian world todai case earli christian promis heavenli afterlif independ your social statu promis gift reason slave and roman accept religion rapidli thi hypothet proposit you fact you cite your sourc thi amateur sociologist sub branch suffic alert unwari that you screw you accept sourc thi thing written lot book you start erich fromm dogma christ doug graham dgraham bnr opinion
alt.atheism	cruel polit atheist articl fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl apr bmerh bnr dgraham bmer bnr dougla graham write jerri mander absenc sacr good book btw great bind law iroquoi confederaci plai signific role model for constitut appar marx and engel strongli influenc studi iroquoi societi prime exampl success classless egalitarian noncoerc societi mander that and studi origin document figur each wrong and time that fascin heard that chines italian invent pasta that fascin that you express skeptic idea that ignor savag influenc constitut peopl stole contin you sound plausibl reason that you dismiss hand recent scholarship shown that mid indian not invit particip deliber found father that great bind law iroquoi confederaci arguabl singl import model for albani plan union and articl confeder and constitut that thi absent school text and histori and media not surpris devot american feel found myth great men gather express vision that withstood test time reveal that indian had role imagin blow american psych men and gather creat albani plan union confeder invit forti two member iroquoi grand council serv advisor confeder structur benjamin franklin freeli acknowledg interest iroquoi achiev famou speech albani congress strang thing six nation ignor savag sic capabl form such union and execut such manner that subsist for ag and appear indissolubl and that union impract for ten dozen english coloni grind franklin conven meet iroquoi chief and congression deleg order hammer plan that acknowedg similar iroquoi confederaci grind professor donald grind univers california riversid book iroquoi and found father american nation address thi issu doug graham dgraham bnr opinion
alt.atheism	studi book mormon date tue apr gmt carolyn jean fairman cfairman leland stanford edu agrino enkidu mic andr grino brandt ask mormon mention event place histor person discov archeologist amus thing bom claim that civil exist north america aroun mystic plate found not us steel and metal had lot war found metal sword and trace civil nativ american thi exampl free inquiri winter introduct articl joseph smith and book mormon georg smith introduct written paul kurtz mormon church jesu christ dai saint claim worldwid membership million world fastest grow religion converst alon church aggress missionari program cover hundr countri spread even world countri mormon puritan moral outlook and evangel preachment church run strict authoritarian line led presid allegedli receiv revel directli form god and group twelv apostl attempt maintain orthodoxi belief and practic church oppos abort pornographi sexual freedom women right and view immor influenc secular societi and forbid us tobacco alcohol coffe and tea center salt lake citi church extrem wealthi and polit power utal and western state present dai mormon ezra taft benson secretari agricultur osmond famili mariott hotel empir and score high govern offici mormon church found western york joseph smith claim that divin revel had found gold plate contain hieroglyph buri hill and that visit angel moroni had translat write into book mormon basi mormon belief thi book written command god claim that ancient hebrew settl america and ancestor american indian mormon that baptiz true church will reunit death and that deceas mormon famili member can baptiz proxi and join rel hereaft belief mormon consid outcast mainlin christian denomin and heret religi fundamentalist joseph smith controversi figur dai worship saint and denounc fraud persecut led band loyal follow palmyra york westward ohio and illinoi shot death agri mob brigham young reportedli had eighti wive leadership church and led mormon westward found zion salt lake citi teach joseph smith practic polygami perhap mormon controversi practic nineteenth centuri america religion back centuri muhammadan year christian and judaism and attempt examin begin difficult extens histor investig mormon root mormon will examin thi histori object maintain that such scrutini danger faith page free inquiri present two articl mormon church georg smith lifelong member church detail critic examin joseph smith and claim book mormon divin reveal second present portion interview philosoph sterl mcmurrin mormon sinc birth question treatment histori church mormon author paul kurtz articl super jimtim psilink
alt.atheism	christian moral articl eastman dp nasa kodak write simpl logic argument folli you read bibl you will that jesu made fool trick logic don you cite passag that can focu discuss jesu you can make fool and logic you reli simpli your reason you will never you you can justifi make thi assert you geniu logic and make fool that easier qpliu princeton edu standard opinion opinion delta correl
alt.atheism	logic jesu dp nasa kodak pontif simpl logic argument folli you read bibl you will that jesu made fool trick logic can you cite exampl thi post answer don want receiv mail jame green jgreen obo calpoli edu time and nation priest hostil liberti thoma jefferson
alt.atheism	islam author women kmr cwru edu keith ryan pontif moslem men rape woman commit act and wit penetr guilti verdict can render confess two male wit crime adulteri and rape prove wit actual penetr occurr that not happen thi quran spell jame green jgreen obo calpoli edu time and nation priest hostil liberti thoma jefferson
alt.atheism	you god court heard that california you swear mention god state includ god courtroom oath jame green jgreen obo calpoli edu time and nation priest hostil liberti thoma jefferson
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl apr abo mandtbacka finabo abo mat andtbacka write fpv horu mchp sni frank write articl apr abo mandtbacka finabo abo mat andtbacka write that chestnut your claim that moral objectiv scientif objectiv don agre prove object moral test that disagre incorrect your claim you delet not univers not object delet interest breviti back step and you your post that claim you can refut firstli apolog you hadn delet your claim and mistaken you had for offenc caus secondli can refut your definit can point logic implic and that contradict usag word object area your definit object oxymoron for quibbl that belief that useless and that object perfectli good word object not ag univers show ag can univers and intern consist amaz moral system can member societi singl individu case and human stick togeth beg question peopl can opinion ag univers and human can stick togeth you that univers real ag independ belief ag univers scientif fact can emir verifi mean that give result matter perform test albeit error bar that largish side thi assum that univers real ag kind realiti doesn depend extrem biblic creationist give rat ass mean you speak heard verifi moral consist comput error measur care enlighten true pain painkil exist and can predict work accuraci random guess wrote that moral hypothes observ moral system make predict will that can test and falsifi predict thi drug will reliev pain peopl idea ag object not object you can idea you and can stop you universa and ag anoth ballgam and you dislik detail that problem your opinion assum object realiti and you statement thi claim that moral opinion our and such subject and individu wrong object real thing exist you label object moral can you back thi posit claim exist can you back your posit claim that assumpt make assumpt valu basi that logic differ two and empir basi two precis point moral essenc person opinion ideal found motiv such nonetheless person fact that real larg lot peopl agre moral question sometim even for reason not make moral object make human somewhat alik opinion that moral question can good for evolut social speci and real larg lot nice phrase peopl agre that footbal desk suppos logic differ two perhap you can explain differ sinc you desk perform test footbal accept theori peopl hallucin moral inform and that oppos drift you claim never good mean scienc matter altogeth you prove that disagre wrong that simpl matter prove track record scientif method great and appli valu complet wrong that conclud result quit amount thought frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	thought articl reyf darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner wrote kent sandvik sandvik newton appl wrote articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain wrote spank wrong didn lord liar lunat origin lewi thi campollo fellow and isn clear connect absurd notion origin christian origen similar statement attribut anselm that understand case reason somewhat exalt post accept mean that statement can properli analys thi venu bill you misunderstand atheism lack belief god not directli impli lack understand transcendent valu hope you accept fact that for instanc buddhist issu relat empir reason automat theism read coupl book relat buddhism revis and fine tune your understand christian system cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	christian moral articl pww spac rice edu pww spacsun rice edu peter simpl logic argument folli you read bibl you will that jesu made fool trick logic abil reason spec creation ultim you reli simpli your reason you will never you learn you accept that you don can eaplain can jesu us logic make peopl logic fool that not sound told fool and that and peopl believ that hmm not sound reason find intrigu peopl state that transcendent valu can explain and sentenc explain unexplain valu highli strang cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	thought christian articl rgkb darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner wrote kent sandvik sandvik newton appl wrote social pressur import factor for major passiv christian world todai case earli christian promis heavenli afterlif independ your social statu promis gift reason slave and roman accept religion rapidli thi hypothet proposit you fact you cite your sourc thi amateur sociologist sub branch suffic alert unwari that you screw rememb jacobi mythmak talk thi cite sourc not christian read thi book addit social experi rais and educ lutheran lot christian friend and even plai two christian rock band you you counter claim sourc rest that show that christian not concept social promis that independ social statu cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	islam author women articl darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner wrote credit religion awesom power domin histori misunderstand human natur function religion and histori that distort histori thi exaclti and for affect underestim power religion creat histor event big misunderstand for instanc year war start fraction protest and vatican cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	death penalti polit atheist articl rlyz darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner wrote thi fascin atheist argu for abort defend homosexu mean popul control insist that valu biolog and condemn war and capit punish benedikt contardictori cannot exist thi case mean atheist suppos understand atheist can object war excel mean control popul growth capit punish logic escap and capit punish question proprieti kill punish basi ecomplaint bill heard secular human check thi stand for and revis your statement cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism articl fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl qugin horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl qkogg fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write and that area you care whether sceptic critic and autonom hand gullibl excit and easili led and atheist and gullibl excit and easili led that tendenc worship tyrant and ideolog that person easili led whether worship belief supernatur hero earthli besid point whether not atheist discuss not whether easili led not you show that hypothet atheist gullibl excit and easili led concret that case discuss that concret atheism factor that caus subsequ behaviour not argu that atheism such behaviour that not relev definit atheism lack belief god frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	islam genocid articl fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl qkovl fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write fals dichotomi you claim kill not religi motiv and that wrong not that each and kill religi motiv spell detail kill you relig motiv for exampl claim that recent assassin cathol construct worker had connect ira relig motiv time write that claim current violenc motiv religion reach you call write kill not relig motiv motiv primit notion reveng and misguid patriot come mainland cathol not kill mainland protest and southern cathol not kill southern protest and plausibl bar religion and violenc diminish markedli gee that argu that religion past major contribut factor violenc present don evid that thi and not historian debat that avow aim ira northern ireland into countri that church written into constitut and restrict civil right dictat that church fail word past countri offici languag written constitut and vice versa motiv love irish poetri your argument fallaci jon for worth agre that you ireland and frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	islam and scientif predict genocid caus atheism articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write delet god creat night dai sun and moon each travel orbit motion qur posit aspect thi vers note mauric bucail that geocentr commonli accept notion time and for long time notion geocentr thi vers anywher qur that translat found for surpris hear that night and dai move orbit and that sun travel orbit that earth sound geocentr benedikt
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl inr lvi horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write delet and real larg lot nice phrase peopl agre that footbal desk suppos logic differ two perhap you can explain differ sinc you rest delet that fallaci and not time point not fallaci note supermajor disinterest peopl agre fundamant not ethic benedikt differ that and peopl agre trivial observ refer not ethic dubiou you us term absolut object and interchang moral valu valu worth measuer and us you infer not fulfil your intermiss wast time assum that you don intend thi reason conclud that you want argu point you made interest statement that disinterest observ such thing moral shortest proof for object and moral contradict for you never set moral peopl agre unlik footbal you conveni ignor that not agre tghe moral analog not hold exampl peopl agre and explain peopl will agre that freedom valuabl state that such condit for object ethic assert and that talk isn point talk ethic thi can agre fine and that freedom valuabl not gener agre name quit lot peopl state opposit not that that wasn mention word you noth fulfil your strong claim can expect suffici peopl agre footbal you give evid that vanish number disagre set moral you give not moral ethic can past valu cogent object freedom exampl that peopl aren talk thing answer that valuabl not and want thi implic true clutch straw don map into metaphys set load term fixpoint deni moral freedom make quit clear practic tell even willingli unfre quit common religion for religion name submiss don even argu that submiss freedom evid not proof proof evolv test your theori absolut moral compet theori garbag that not proof argu case afraid that that consid proof argument you reiter you never answer object evid that you preacher name that fallaci univers valu moral context benedikt
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law qla afp fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write articl jkj fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write hope islam bank bcci rip small depositor muslim commun and delet bbci exampl islam own and oper bank will bet weren real islam owner and oper and turn long run and quit ruthless oper steal monei small and quit naiv depositor islam bank oper fashion your modern bank explain anoth thread for exampl islam bank don pai fix interest deposit return invest vari market and not fix interest islam bank rel phenomenon islam world islam bank west includ usa knowledg doubt market for exist not islam bank rel earli stage develop case bcci not islam bank bcci pai fix interest rate deposit answer thi question bcci not islam bank islam bank specif set not pai charg interest whether muslim partial own bank complet irrelev fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	death penalti gulf war long thi unmitig bilg jim brown possess wing token diplomat altern includ sanction ineffect decemb nation secur advis zbigniew brzezinski told senat committe that sanction cost iraq million per dai and that multin coalit time world iraq suggest lose badli dai defi demand commun nation won dai take life loss life fcnl washington newslett world full evil and circumst not perfect innoc suffer due wrong action regret that wrong action murder leader govern perhap regrett not media not total monolith even conserv sourc you hurrah for rush good heaven escape rush limbot land conserv ass and btw reason brought blanket bomb germani you bemoan iraqi civilian casualti deplor blanket bomb institut bomb wasn accur hit industri militari target decis method that time gulf war precis bomb norm bullshit gulf massacr ordnanc us smart rest that regular dumb iron bomb and stuff you forgotten that pentagon definit success patriot launch missil clear launch tube damag that success intercept scud defin patriot and scud pass each area sky and that smart stuff hit follow that mean thi smart arsen miss stori hundr thousand iraqi civilian dead plain bunk prove sourc that that date civilian death count excus mean collater damag attempt calcul cost execut washington state studi suggest cost incarcer california spend million annual capit case and thi year hadn execut sinc texa nation leader number execut spend estim million per execut that compar averag cost incarcer washington state per maximum secur prison per year shamim moham uunet noao cmcl arizona shamim shamim arizona edu thi cross and garlic mezuzah jewish page koran muslim and zen buddhist you your member leagu for program freedom write lpf uunet net
alt.atheism	gulf war death penalti polit atheist articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough write look back thi and ask question peopl and inform had claim and you pooh pooh not sold iraq arm land mine mention ask area you suggest and present inform mention landmin countri kuwait inform hard prove you claim that sold inform prove inform hard prove almost sell inform that fact classifi and you can prove neat dismiss can prove shadow doubt you admit can never prove your satisfact stick squar circl mathew you blindli thing reason evid didn realiz you theist doubt claim present evid support you present real evid for great unsupport claim even claim such and such new agenc will not accept you want stick sheer imposs difficult fine statement that such fact classifi you can prove simpl matter pragmat and law you access classifi inform that you classifi and you reveal good chanc that you person reveal you jail never that you couldn prove satisfact that difficult and make thing easi for peopl argu handicap mccullou whippl wisc edu never program and drink beer time doesn work
alt.atheism	gulf war and peac nik articl lva fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write articl apr bmerh bnr dgraham bmer bnr dougla graham write wait minut doug you inform that never invad nicaragua invad nicaragua time thi centuri includ octob andf februari haiti occupi jon had forgotten and invas had learn mean forgot read context recent such sandinista expect immin invas never happen stand correct panama invad true twice thi centuri creat panama place foment and interven civil war republ colombia troop land colombia upris and colombia duli dismemb and replac two countri order that build panama canal republ panama rememb thi thi and bush invas two mention good teddi knew thing jon regard jim
alt.atheism	christian moral articl eastman dp nasa kodak write articl ousrvr oulu kempmp phoenix oulu petri pihko write dan schaertel dp nasa kodak wrote thi mean learn you accept that you don learn you accept don thi not prefer learn unwis swallow you read suppos write book tell great invis pink unicorn help daili problem you accept thi sinc you can whether true not ask you swallow fact jesu warn you question you beleiv you learn histori class for that matter school mean peopl told you and you don want swallow into sceptic heart you can not you sincer effort attitud you you trust not church and particip activ you will die for you believ branch dividian believ and trust that imposs turn back realiti you advoc total irrevers brainwash dan
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism articl hqd horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl qugin horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl qkogg fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write and that area you care whether sceptic critic and autonom hand gullibl excit and easili led and atheist and gullibl excit and easili led that tendenc worship tyrant and ideolog that person easili led whether worship belief supernatur hero earthli besid point whether not atheist discuss not whether easili led not you show that hypothet atheist gullibl excit and easili led concret that case discuss that concret atheism factor that caus subsequ behaviour not argu that atheism such behaviour that not relev definit atheism lack belief god throw faq can dwyer sinc can defin thing that rest talk jon
alt.atheism	gulf war sell arm articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write jbrown batman bmd trw write mathew agre thi crux your posit isn that shouldn support hussein and sold arm fight iran agre and agre ruthlessli hunt sell arm hussein and deal invad kuwait sit back and sold arm suppos us bad for kuwait sit back and let thing not correct mistak destroi hussein militari potenti move agre your statement reagan and bush made grave error judgment sell arm hussein happen that entir point last month john major hail great victori that had person secur sale arm saudi arabia month sold jet fighter indonesian govern that busi kill east timores heard arm sale saudi arabia such grave mistak sell saudi arabia weapon you claim that shouldn sell weapon countri straightforward answer oop made boo boo clean mistak and make mistak that can not deliber thi suspicion reinforc fact that mistak extrem profit for decrepit economi reliant arm sale benefit arm sale hint isn gov contractor that build that piec equip not and don export huge quantiti arm that you accus arm export rare that requir act congress for small arm countri not you tell can and can sell good mathew mccullou whippl wisc edu never program and drink beer time doesn work
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice wrote stuff delet not blindli matter knowledg islam law tell islam such and such immedi show support for thi statement qur and sunnah thi islam duti for hadith prophet peac and bless god your leader tell you enter fire and you and kill you sin for wrong even you blindli instruct your leader respons for action not abu hanifa imam malik etc even blindli opinion abu hanifa etc thi mind understand reason such opinion muslim that support khomeini fatwa understand hadith support khomeini fatwa relat instanc that occur war time brother gener imho ridicul and wrong that hadith relat action war usabl time peac sensibl human can thi person that reason ulema thi matter faulti for legitim us act war time peac thi subject you wrong feel free your reason qur and hadith not want reason qur and sahih hadith perhap discuss soc religion islam email rashid you thi disagre your opinion punish for apostasi viewpoint follow that gener punish for apostasi strongli support qur and hadith thi shown book punish islam law moham awa american trust public reiter that agre you that justif for punish apostasi qur islam histori apostasi rare punish belief consid matter conscienc and sinc compuls matter belief apost gener left not will apost make attack god and messeng situat charg apostasi complic charg perhap charg sedit treason spy etc person make public issu apostasi mount public attack oppos arguement islam situat likewis complic person spread slander broadcast falsehood situat punish vari situat apost charg aggrav apostasi subsidiari charg rushdi case distinct qur formal war situat and situat unilater wage war action creat disord make mischief etc muslim and creat situat that result harm muslim small group even singl individu engag such practis word clear differ formal war situat two defin parti wage war conclud treati exchang prison etc and deal attack that come isol individu group islam second situat unilater attack and spread fasad that appli case rushdi matter rushdi not simpl matter ban offens book ban book secondari full set circumst public book come into plai includ death muslim and rushdi and publish media game not blindli matter knowledg islam law tell islam such and such immedi show support for thi statement qur and sunnah thi islam duti for hadith prophet peac and bless god your leader tell you enter fire and you and kill you sin for wrong even you blindli instruct your leader respons for action not abu hanifa imam malik etc even blindli opinion abu hanifa etc understand hadith support khomeini fatwa relat instanc that occur war time brother gener imho ridicul and wrong that hadith relat action war usabl time peac sensibl human can thi person that reason ulema thi matter faulti for legitim us act war time peac thi subject not hadith you refer that qur anic vers fatwa base vers qur circumst revel understand tafsir vers restrict sole histor circumst reveal thi case that law and regul that reveal muslim not involv conflict suspend war logic not follow complex real life situat vers and hadith can relat singl complic situat intern relationship vers quit complex such that arriv understand vers interlock and each appli situat can quit demand task not necessarili simpl thi that process paramet involv larger context situat view matter imping situat word great deal involv deciph qur qur ask reflect vers thi reflect entail simpli read vers and hadith reflect for sake increas person pieti each person level understand and harm that reflect order decid matter that pertain state gestat law and rule gestat societi dispens justic guidanc commun minimum requir understand that achiev jaffar ibn muhammad sadiq relat requir taught prophet hadith not distinguish book allah abrog vers abrog and specif gener and decis ambigu and not differenti permiss and oblig and not recogn vers meccan period medinit and not circumst revel and not understand technic word qur whether simpl 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discuss gener and particular aam kha discuss uncondit and condit discuss tacit mean discuss abstract and clear discuss abrog and abrog principl applic law involv principl exempt principl precaut principl option principl masteri jurisprud bound rigor process pronounc judgement situat not matter vers and hadith blindli follow differ blind and acced opinion knowledg and qualifi oneself famou hadith prophet fuqaha religi scholar truste prophet long not concern illicit desir pleasur and wealth thi world prophet ask messeng god concern repli whether follow rule power that fear for your religion and shun not imam sunni madhab comment thi hadith appli contemporari scholar base prophet refer fuqaha fortress islam point make clear that arriv legal judgement call into plai amount expertis specif thi expertis delin qur and hadith acquir thi expertis prais qur and hadith requisit knowledg pronounc matter that affect societi state and religion caution reason rushdi affair thi group basi for discuss 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alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger wrote made clear claim that khomeini advoc view contradit qur and argument for thi thi that can check suffici interest khomeini dead can respond anoth poster support khomeini respond obfuscationist sophistri thi quit clear atheist suscept religionist mode obfuscation don mind thi exampl obfusc condemn even your basic fact straight you want exampl back and your previou post you manag your fact wrong fatwa and khomeini suppos infal salaam laikum
alt.atheism	conscious part kev strike back kevin anthonei kax nott wrote repli diplomat societi that constantli verg flame usenet diplomaci ensur voic reason get isn realiz fight occam razor thi argument explain feel mind kevin you delv into field algorithm your reason line roger penros claim that mathemat insight cannot algorithm book emperor mind comput mind and law physic penros claim that mathemat insight your similar claim that wavefunct collaps conscious illus obviouslu take viewpoint ponder problem conscious evolutionari perspect realis that not special think back wrote you worm mind not experi pain behav that conceiv that dai futur perform total synthesi elegan element such worm mind firstli not impress abil algorithm great solv problem onc method work not work method thi true extent not that brain work comput fact substanti evid skarda skarda freeman that brain work chaotic gener random for mental state evolv brain work genet algorithm gener suppos trick form discov thi mean that idea will pre program into brain thi somewhat that brain ultim encod chromosom worth genet materi isn us thi extrem vast impact nurtur mind and brain suggest that understand conscious collect algorithm kevin refer mention and expert natur consciou mind neurologist neuropsychologist and biologist not flame for opinion sinc studi be that consciou reason repeat advic that thi discuss cannot lead anywher background and not bring into thi discuss not physicist happi claim that conscious plai special role physic doesn problem algorithm instabl not algorithm surviv you larg portion code peopl surviv stroke complet haywir side effect patient remark stabl neuron perfectli healthi peopl dy alarm rate can algorithm surviv randomli corrupt bit code brain not comput don forget thi thi not mean work work differ primari purpos percept and guidanc action awar and high intellig appear problem sticki question colour replac colour sensat your choic materialist viewpoint that product kind chemic reaction usual product such reaction energi chemic colour mixtur you expect that find idea green brain perhap form chemic thi not sensat green time depend pattern area visual cortex and distribut area and rest brain fire pattern sometim thought conscious global free induct pattern local fire pattern thi idl specul scientif american septemb issu special issu mind and brain you read cover cover two articl visual percept you interest note that subject experi cannot observ person perspect noth neuron activ cannot conclud that thi not mind kalat write numer exampl electr stimul area brain led patient state mind for instanc patient septal area stimul knowledg remot control psychiatr interview quickli cure depress and start discuss plan seduc girlfriend stimul tempor lobe sometim led embarrass situat patient start flirt therapist conclus evid that brain essenti for subject experi brain damag equival sort mind damag consciou process involv substanti brain activ area brain colour visual cortex activ etc conscious afterthought becom consciou action half second delai and brain ahead consciou will fruit turn question colour and thi that observ sinc that consciou mind not king brain thi comput won colour chemistri algorithm that see colour select advantag equival that doesn shouldn output each algorithm equival circumst colour thi depend meant colour neural network that capabl recognis handwritten number number capabl sort you ask anim consciou observ evolutionari advantag anim doesn good answer read previou post wrote sens ident help social anim swap role and act moral that don unconsci kill each newli discov weapon bit extrem thi basic idea earli homo and effici tool sens ident and concept had evolv line thi develop respect for and consciou altruist behaviour evolutionari advantag for social anim such earli human rememb correctli quantum mechan consist wavefunct two process act process call unitari evolut govern schroeding equat and second process call thing such collaps wavefunct state vector reduct and mysteri occur measur take place precis that occur occur effect abruptli chang wavefunct mind requir for thi thi mean that human mind scene wavefunct never collaps remain superposit for aeon power thi discuss and thi topic irrelev sinc not agre that mind and physicist specul that mind part link conscious and that never linear superposit altern explain for thi idea brain suppos access part sinc thi specul that won matter main point that place for mind physic agre not sens you appar mean physic sharp mind solv real problem back nice pad cell that you you don forget you refer wrote previou post kalat jame biolog psycholog wadsworth publish compani belmont skarda explain behavior bring brain back inquiri skarda freeman brain make chao order make sens world behavior and brain scienc petri petri pihko kem pmp mathemat truth pihati finou oulu physic rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistri game
alt.atheism	conscious part kev strike back scott sauyet ssauyet eagl wesleyan edu wrote apr nott kevin anthoni kax nott write firstli not impress abil algorithm great solv problem onc method work not work method crossword exampl delet you heard neural network read and overcom your object peopl work neural network and read thi newsgroup kevin you achiev and you expect not that nn will solv such problem show that not hard you come mechan model conscious dualism solut dennett recent put dead hors petri petri pihko kem pmp mathemat truth pihati finou oulu physic rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistri game
alt.atheism	conscious part kev strike back articl apr ousrvr oulu kempmp phoenix oulu petri pihko write kevin anthonei kax nott wrote thi post brilliant insan brilliant exampl introspect object materialist theori conscious diplomat realiz fight occam razor thi argument explain feel mind firstli not impress abil algorithm great solv problem onc method work not work method specif exampl solv numer crossword not simpl sum and insert answer type hard effici you figur varieti trick that you can program comput puzzl you work trick and program into comput you can obfusc trick and write program that uncov can trick form discov thi mean that idea will pre program into brain thi somewhat that brain ultim encod chromosom worth genet materi isn us thi bring environ into equat can thi air you object perform action and don anywher algorithm anticip and conclus draw experi problem algorithm instabl not algorithm surviv you larg portion code peopl surviv stroke complet haywir side effect patient remark stabl neuron perfectli healthi peopl dy alarm rate can algorithm surviv randomli corrupt bit code problem sticki question colour replac colour sensat your choic materialist viewpoint that product kind chemic reaction usual product such reaction energi chemic colour mixtur thi comput won colour chemistri algorithm that see colour select advantag equival that doesn shouldn output each algorithm equival circumst colour such view nonsolut mind act observ feel pain and pleasur and issu command brain interact occur bit idl specul rememb correctli quantum mechan consist wavefunct two process act process call unitari evolut govern schroeding equat and second process call thing such collaps wavefunct state vector reduct and mysteri occur measur take place precis that occur occur effect abruptli chang wavefunct envisag interact wavefunct and imaginit call part reason assum that that wavefunct case part simpli wavefunct note that explain specul that mind part link conscious and that never linear superposit altern explain for thi idea brain suppos access part sinc thi specul that won matter main point that place for mind physic back nice pad cell that you petri kevin anthonei kax nott don you read sig file
alt.atheism	christian moral articl eastman dp nasa kodak dan schaertel wrote life death and resurect christ document histor fact not standard histori care back thi san li apologist fond major event life jesu christ fortold hundr year neat trick not prophesi aren even prophesi prayer and comment torah quit context xian start ly begin into sceptic heart you can not you sincer effort attitud you arrog ass aren you trust not church and particip activ you wrong haven trust that doesn exist you will die for you believ will die for and don looni waco point not die for believ point make that son bitch die for believ doesn tire cretin tirad peter dame and damn proud don forget sing heaven for will wait ain laugh sinner cry saint sinner fun good die young
alt.atheism	cult religion articl bfe aurora engr latech edu rai engr latech edu bill rai wrote jame thoma green jgreen trumpet calpoli edu wrote conclus can shown that essenti logic argument differenti cult religion challeng produc distinct clear and can easili knock thi religion cult stood test time religion cult that opt peopl compartment irration peter don forget sing heaven for will wait ain laugh sinner cry saint sinner fun good die young
alt.atheism	gulf war and peac nik articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write jbrown batman bmd trw write problem peac nik not bad and unconscion not argument problem peac nik held ideal and stai conflict issu deal nation defens not will legitim hold point view milit and time resort violenc name peac yawn anoth wing wasp imagin oppress minor perhap camil paglia person attack not argument problem peac nik stai conflict issu bet you wouldn you love deliber misinterpret person statement cut part statement blunt thrust sentenc never address issu extreemist peac peopl not hold true ideal make you that sit back noth defens issu and let peopl you make decis ideal ignor challeng ignor challeng that extreemist for peac tend quit insist that accept ideal for world and even turn quit violent wit chicago summer mathew paranoia assum that argu viewpoint masturb gun ammo fire oven isn hot mccullou whippl wisc edu never program and drink beer time doesn work
alt.atheism	death penalti gulf war long articl optima arizona edu sham arizona edu shamim zvonko moham write thi unmitig bilg jim brown possess wing token diplomat altern includ sanction ineffect decemb nation secur advis zbigniew brzezinski told senat committe that sanction cost iraq million per dai and that multin coalit time world iraq suggest lose badli dai defi demand commun nation won dai take life loss life fcnl washington newslett understand that number decept reason that monei cost oil sale for part iraq not allow sell oil thing initi sanction surviv and btw reason brought blanket bomb germani you bemoan iraqi civilian casualti deplor blanket bomb institut bomb wasn accur hit industri militari target decis method that time gulf war precis bomb norm bullshit gulf massacr ordnanc us smart rest that regular dumb iron bomb and stuff you forgotten that pentagon definit success patriot launch missil clear launch tube damag that success intercept scud defin patriot and scud pass each area sky heard figur closer won quibbl your figur drop carpet bomb region occupi enemi troop drop lot bomb sorti and us clock not mention smaller aircraft dumb munit patriot proxim fuse adjust figur for number patriot kill derivit that figur not fluke pentagon work such stuff anoth part dod statement precis bomb norm true area civilian close target drop tonnag bomb popul region explain figur and that smart stuff hit follow that mean thi smart arsen miss thi figur below figur accur you explain discrep that figur and figur intern organ figur place hit ratio close higher your your figur bomb miss plane and bomb never hit target whether not bomb drop such method us time lie statist stori hundr thousand iraqi civilian dead plain bunk prove sourc that that date civilian death count excus mean collater damag never sourc that claim such figur post sourc reliabl can judg mccullou whippl wisc edu never program and drink beer time doesn work
alt.atheism	david coresh god morn show todai show david koresh lawyer interview that interview flip letter that david koresh wrote letter written hebrew bottom page koresh adonai that thi mean david write thi
alt.atheism	smullyan for dai articl tpi pepper east sun geoff east sun geoff arnold sun bo coast top write thi raymond smullyan quot big for sig deserv post imho big for sig keith home billdboard sig file ryan privat note jennif fakult thi post sarcasm cycnic ironi humor awar thi possibl and not confus and thrown for loop doubt assum owner thi account not responsibl for your confus result your inabl recogn read your risk jennif
alt.atheism	christian moral articl apr nott kax nott kevin anthonei write articl eastman dp nasa kodak write fact god you you for minut you love you you made love you want love you differ believ exist entiti and love that entiti god show directli that exist and free choic whether love not doesn kevin anthonei kax nott don you read sig file kevin make good point and that theist miss that belief dieti not necessarili coupl agreement love that dieti anoth bit convinc belief guess standard argumet onc you god you god love and you will choos love wasnt wide accept and assert laughabl regard adam adam john cooper verili laugh weakl thought good simpli acoop macalstr edu had claw understand anoth fear your comprehens gandalf
alt.atheism	christian moral articl eastman dp nasa kodak dan schaertel write articl ousrvr oulu kempmp phoenix oulu petri pihko write dan schaertel dp nasa kodak wrote love god love seduc you rape rape simpl logic argument folli you read bibl you will that jesu made fool trick logic abil reason spec creation ultim you reli simpli your reason you will never you your argument type you onc you atheist sincer and believ for year eventu honest admit that had live virtual realiti christian and noth work for not for doesn give insight into god truth religion depend sole individu individu creat and sinc christian fail show life our not attempt even attract learn you accept that you don thi mean learn you accept that you don learn you accept don thi not prefer learn unwis swallow you read suppos write book tell great invis pink unicorn help daili problem you accept thi sinc you can whether true not ask you swallow fact jesu warn you question you beleiv you learn histori class for that matter school mean peopl told you and you don want swallow will nerver for told truth not bit evid point fact that militari conflict vietnam year ago supernatur dieti live fact that jesu warn mean noth warn big deal life death and resurect christ document histor fact thi not true two choic life and death scantili document and last total malarki bibl and that total circular perhap us imagin ignor will address thi and refer you plenti document you learn you choos and not argu that georg washington myth never live don proof told major event life jesu christ fortold hundr year neat trick thi noth disgust christian attempt manipul interpret testament fill sign for come christ refer stick bit wood autmoat interpret cross miscarriag philolog into sceptic heart you can not you sincer effort attitud you you trust not church and particip activ you will die for you believ sinc skeptic heart good into irreconcil differ christian glorifi exactli tend despis snub trust belief faith knowledg lucki dai and happen think god time enkephalin associ thi sign god will feel and will trust know religos not that conclus arriv sudden afflict will die for believ not question suchg attitud reflect correct healthi moral not thing reflect fanatic for exampl and case express simpl selfish adam adam john cooper verili laugh weakl thought good simpli acoop macalstr edu had claw understand anoth fear your comprehens gandalf
alt.atheism	soc religion christian found thi gem don interest comment commit christian that battl problem that roman talk save faith not deed hebrew and jame that faith deed useless you fool you that believ fulli believ life total lead and not god roman that person save faith bit that god prefer cold doesn condemn lukewarm christian and believ god doesn make attempt live bibl opinion that you save faith alon not you taught roman can squar mind teach jame conjunct lukewarm christian spat can thi bother christ will adam adam john cooper verili laugh weakl thought good simpli acoop macalstr edu had claw understand anoth fear your comprehens gandalf
alt.atheism	colleg atheist articl apr nuscc nu cmtan iss nu tan chade meng dan write andrew cmu edu nanci ann miller write nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye write read articl poll student ivi leagu school report that student indentifi atheist thi lot higher gener popul reason for thi discrep intellig younger thi wave futur figur for gener popul last heard american reincarn can quot stat don stat read gener that smoke and belief supernatur occultish garbag rise guess that eas idea and thought commun colleg campu world theist forc contend and listen atheist and theist religion bound chang belief year run funni countri work round univ life stress for peopl rememb asian popul xtian prei peopl run thi interest thing principl sort philosoph idea gener and test colleg year whether idea christian atheist doesn matter atheist intellig unenlighten tan chade meng wise man tell wife that understand singapor cmtan iss nu fool prove regard adam adam john cooper verili laugh weakl thought good simpli acoop macalstr edu had claw understand anoth fear your comprehens gandalf
alt.atheism	thought christian book thi liar lunat real thing last time time turn can debat straight face perhap for complet ridicul gather post last two time thi and email can you that book publish thi vaniti press recomend visit your local christian bookstor and becom awar stuff sell quit interest stuff intelectu level chick pamphelet common fundi bookstor section you hate wiccan pagan cathol mormon rock musician and not fanat hate for love god even interest watch peopl frequent such place scari peopl hear voic god tell want hear not christian lock thi feder monei reduc mental institut reagan administr had religi leader christian jesu fifteen year time for good behavior york state senat jame donovan capitol punish alan bewar touch wire instant death found thi will prosecut
alt.atheism	mean human parsif articl apr ucla edu brad pierc pierc ucla edu write bedrock spiritu unreason belief that reson theologi full reason even base fals premis etc etc ill defin term spirit transcendent mind conscious ultim realiti soul elan vital etc mean sadli adher spiritu movement seldom satisfi hold mean conscious mind thi harmless illog inexor drawn belief illog primaci spiritu and transcendent materi and empir primaci pipe dream jabberwocki and illus fact scienc and reason sinc for instanc behaviourist psycholog pipe dream sure major purpos scienc psycholog understand work mind creatur feel thought percept process and phenomena manifest mundan matter energi space and time albeit not supplic god not atheist manifest mundan sound transcendent fact matter energi space and time measur mysteri concept atheist your reduction cast not true faith richard wilson logica industri
alt.atheism	christian moral acoop mac macalstr edu turin turambar depart utter miseri dan schaertel articl quot you learn you choos and not argu that georg washington myth never live don proof told major event life jesu christ fortold hundr year neat trick thi noth disgust christian attempt manipul interpret testament fill sign for come christ refer stick bit wood autmoat interpret cross miscarriag philolog worthwhil point that appel rabbi jesu had full grasp contemporari scriptur mat jesu saith never read scriptur mat jesu answer and err not know mat scriptur power god thi wonder posit fulfil prophesi and mat scriptur fulfil mat that mat thi that scriptur mat prophet fulfil discipl mat forsook and fled book compris refer scriptur had not access matter toni
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alt.atheism	gulf war death penalti polit atheist mark mccullough mccullou snake wisc edu wrote detail built chemic plant alteer baghdad plant intend us aid iraqi infrastructur not exampl sell weapon sound nitpick refus sell valuabl part that build infrastructur dual us technolog contend that thi case and case sale pesticid compani that knew full that us for product chemic weapon even that not offici state purpos person don that let iran conquer iraq good thing for that matter for reason you state hypocrisi and claim not iraq that make angri fact that usa interfer see fit interest duti interven requir thi demonstr failur east timor and region destabilis usa approach thing reserv uncessari number civillian casualit for wholli wrong reason and hand creat situat that affect militari action iraq not suggest and ridicul assert simpli indic usa previous aid iraq intel manufactur techniqu that natur appar data orgin satellit doubt that iraq raw data troop concentr aaron turner aaron minster york
alt.atheism	death penalti gulf war long shamim zvonko moham sham arizona edu wrote bullshit gulf massacr ordnanc us smart rest that regular dumb iron bomb and stuff you forgotten that pentagon definit success patriot launch missil clear launch tube damag that success intercept scud defin patriot and scud pass each area sky and that smart stuff hit follow that mean thi smart arsen miss us full figur thi includ ton bomb drop and number cluster bomblet munit us had heard laser guid weapon hit unpreced rate success iron weapon hit unpreced rough estim thi mean ton bomb drop aircraft ton miss not proport thi drop baghdad troop concentr iraq and kuwait tonnag drop cluster munit mrl round and artilleri round napalm and fuel air explos us rememb told that weapon mass destruct such fae naughti
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alt.atheism	gulf war sell arm mark mccullough mccullou snake wisc edu wrote heard arm sale saudi arabia such grave mistak sell saudi arabia weapon you claim that shouldn sell weapon countri straightforward answer saudi arabia oppress regim that recent interf politc newli renunifi yemen includ assasin and border incurs that will invad unluckili for yemen not popular west manag put polit differ reunif and west effect lost half north client state aaron turner
alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write delet stuff andrew wrt atheist myth bill andrew myth refer convolut counterfeit athiest creat make religion absurd counterfeit atheist hmmmm cheap knock off true atheist religion demonstr absurd constantli person ask happi point thi approach religion includ christain ration manner and debat claim state atheist concoct outrag parodi and hold religi account for belief don accur oxymor term reason atheist man your pill wrt atheist you make such contenti statement back read new time and time hash belief relig doctrin hold debat make statement accur oxymor term reason atheist respons tammi pretti reason nai even polit accus myth flyin good exampl read post acoord mean refer christian doctrin understand speak for you purpos post present basic overview christain doctrin sinc german your refer origin articl you such excel job spew dogma that implic pretti clear wrong thi case jeez misunderstand statement wrap thi thing you read post care read faq wouldn thi convers you had written your post care faq wouldn thi discuss gem evid delet human reason come back exist god thi discuss not jeez point thi you thi discuss not instanc human reason your implic fals thi interest truth determin polit correct content grant extrem unhip wasp male and european contempt thought thi kind dialogu purpos truth thing rememb oxymoron reasonalbl atheist and understand lame can you truth thing read faq carefulli report your find purpos find truth thing and stop impress your misguid imag atheist piss bill
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alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl voinnr lynx unm edu cfaehl vesta unm edu chri faehl write myth refer convolut counterfeit athiest creat make religion absurd counterfeit atheist hmmmm cheap knock off true atheist theist disguis event don creat religi parodi actual religion absurd mand mdeep thought mby jack handei mif you parachut and your parachut doesn open and your friend watch you fall funni gag pretend you swim
alt.atheism	atheism survei research atheism part involv field research net survei direct reader thi group intend data basi atheist belief each and you fill and mail back mtabbott unix amherst edu structur question that can answer varieti wai vari amount detail give succinct answer you type for hour detail you want give mean great import for broad base individu even minim respons noth short survei you answer question elabor secondli hope question don come obnoxi that phrase convinc you exist god impli that seminari student intent prove you ignor godless heathen fact not exist higher power us god question locut ideolog easier repeat deiti higher power time tend us lot anthropolog buzzword belief system you contend that you don belief skeptic understand you mean such buzzword abbrevi for unweildi phrase requir precis idea across lastli fill you can detail you can and send research and you you place your belief spectrum theism agnostic weak atheism strong atheism feel free elabor your specif belief religi tradit you rais you exist god question presum that answer thi you atheist never theist you modifi question answer somewhat your your famili involv and you start doubt tenet you rais and your final break your belief occur realiz that thi ongo process event per case describ detail you contact atheist you had and and your convers atheism your involv alt atheism count net discuss affect your belief extent you atheist influenc you your belief you come your belief discuss independ mean combin two mean you convinc that your belief acquir wholli ration mean proof exist god etc perhap part mean alien mainstream religion etc extent you feel you understand univers your belief phenomena univers and human exist physic phenomena problem exist evil human affair you feel adequ dealt your belief and lack explanatori method for you question chang your belief convinc you exist god convinc you plausibl god exist and dynam your belief constantli chang stai for time you involv career educ scienc extent you scienc influenc your belief issac asimov claim that scienc secular religion and that scientist real sens priesthood you pursuit scienc quasi religi base even religi element thi survei intend data broad rang individu narrow field small group peopl idea and histori you will basi thi survei write you find you and your belief not fine your fill survei alon great feel free contact you question thi data you addit ask mark abbott mtabbott unix amherst
alt.atheism	american and evolut free ockham razor insid delai respond due confer paper deadlin panic articl qsnqqinn senat bedfellow mit edu bob thnext mit edu robert singleton write articl apr dc warwick simon dc warwick simon clippingdal write alarm amount agreement delet made statement ockum razor experi physic for info baysian statist interest and didn follow your proof question two hypothes and complic definit mean that complic isn fact come complement and axiom sens necessarili complic for and split hair that irrespect subject impress complic hold equal and you point simpl matter show and preferd that consist data can you elabor thi mean that like observ oper oper thi impli that observ not provid inform discrimin respect possibl that and oper differ reduc differ unknown and unhelp prior probabl and and and equal consist data that observ doesn give pointer oper case and that prior probabl order don actual valu and thi deploi razor throw such real world isn clear cut and dry can 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that us word theism make predict specif event can that god such and such such and such happen god will such and such for can never priori can not even thi for set thi don your us probabl assign probabl hold scienc positivist criteria cannot measur even principl probabl not applic hypothesi such case theistic and atheist for exampl measur you don don analog prior probabl deduc that updat multipli for fair coin hypothesi uniti and that multipli for two head coin hypothesi greater uniti you don initi valu run estim clear that larg number observ fair coin approach and two head coin approach uniti you whether larger for observ and thi follow assumpt that event render not not and equal baysian statist reli seri observ hypothesi isn amen observ and even for statement that amen observ observ not relev sequenc observ chosen care curiou type observ you mind theism and atheism observ you doesn matter affect reason provid that observ count appear god exampl thi demonstr efficaci prayer verac revel statement for gener count predict theism question that prayer answer that miracl happen interpret quot god exist mean thi predict for such distinguish atheist hypothesi predict that thi stuff not happen for such theism not make claim that for such that theism doesn quick had common languag you that exist god you mean notion that deiti describ bibl and christian interact univers claim agent agre thi care thi not make claim chang can import shift emphasi sinc belief cannot conclud for such downgrad interact interact sinc interact impli falsifi agre misplac don theism make predict not understand you mean predict you explain you mean thi word explain bear mind that thi isn central requir theism that not make predict appear god will never happen atheism point that quantum mechan doesn make thi predict differ that and atheism not form partit predict includ such statement prayer efficaci impli you stat you will find that prayer efficaci prayer not efficaci verili you thi gener not pass till thing fulfil don problem misunderstand persist observ thi stuff not happen consist consist explain bayesian stat post even god exist unfalsifi that problem for argument that you number observ infin falsifi asymptot btw not argument that requir infinit number observ valid that part argument not valid exist human can never make infinit number measur and conclus that reili thi don accept valid that fine don claim that theism fals that finit number observ suggest that and that continu observ suggest and renorm stuff delet bayesian stat post assum that theism unfalsifi finit number observ relev quot import assumpt that observ compat theist hypothesi and not atheist hypothesi and falsifi atheism call appear god thi not liter observ requir for explan that god exist will count observ assum compat hypothes thi leav theism unfalsifi and atheism falsifi singl observ such appear god problem thi for falsifi make predict that not hypothesi falsifi atheism word oposit theism theism asert belief and 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concept god for true onc open posibl that wrong give exampl predict statment god not exist that can true heal miricl thi can principl never determin case peopl recov and heal doctor and for reason situat fact happen consist theistic hypothesi support such hypothesi agre not inconsist atheist hypothesi can predict god not exist that isn thi type miss raptur will not happen octob raptur falsifi atheism satisfact had happen failur happen not falsifi theism specif predict phenomenon requir exist god for explan will observ that sum thing bob singleton bob thnext mit edu cheer simon simon clippingdal simon dc warwick depart comput scienc tel univers warwick fax coventri
alt.atheism	thought healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write tammi maddi trim heali you practic you get hang give you nicknam for size tammi lucki heali tammi pass falafel heali tammi heali tammi learn heali maddi never post hausmann maddi hausmann madhau netcom centigram commun corp san jose california kid don thi home rememb post profession
alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write mand mdeep thought mby jack handei mif you parachut and your parachut doesn open and your friend watch you fall funni gag pretend you swim you fall open graviti not good idea law dean kaflowitz
alt.atheism	religion islam author women scott sauyet ssauyet eagl wesleyan edu wrote work for horror histori claim that christian had crusad inquisit deni awesom power that come faith absolut you twist reason statement that religion never solitari evil into unreason statement that religion had evil impact histori that absurd scott thi paragraph willingli amend earlier statement sinc your point made and gener accur thi last part slip into hyperbol sinc discuss object such gener don feel you haven post maddi save write bill
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write articl idi fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write you that islam bank bcci you care explain that hope islam bank bcci you call childish propagandist obviou reason make jump bcci islam bank associ islam bank muslim ownership thi case hope that bcci not islam bank and reason gener islam bank islam bank stereotyp bad bad thi case hope that bcci not islam bank you bosnia tap thi case hope that bcci not islam bank jon
alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl dba dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write articl fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write delet conner bobbi mozumd myth perform artist real moslem crackpot provocateur you and read mind don you side note isn tell that cannot for bobbi mozund firm believ provocateur that religi belief that insight comment time peopl bill projector conner complain that post parodi jon
alt.atheism	societ accept behavior articl new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write ioh fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl qgm new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write thi doesn want kill you can that decid sound you confus want and moral jon you mean your idea appli kill you that decid mean want not automat translat into that not translat that for you repli that kill you that decid that mean that for you want translat into doesn translat that for jon
alt.atheism	societ basi for moral articl apr cnsvax uwec edu nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye write you ask back repli cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb moral come societ accept follow that expect follow notion societ mandat moral pardon extrem couldn murder your brother and that exercis right felt good didn want forc moral don follow your moral that moral subject each person entitl moral attitud mine not priori correct els thi not mean that judg anoth basi moral standard entitl moral sens tell rest societi entitl pass law spell punish for behavior that offens major your last statement author crimin not behavior moral realiz that immor and not care not moral system immor for lai claim altern moral system sincer belief and intern consist your last statement thing and belief terror can sincer and frighteningli consist sociopath lack innat moral sens and incap behav moral hitler believ that action moral judg immor standard hold that moral subject not mean that excus murder troubl thi sound fine come hitler not mean comparison offenc david substitut social minor your choic for sociopath hitler and murder logic differ you hitler sum frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	faith and dogma repli tgk toronto edu todd kellei light happen waco chest faith and dogma danger agre philosoph cannot christian philosoph can chang mind christian cannot due natur faith and dogma present religion hard for understand quit profession scientist and philosoph theist religion good qualiti encourag benevol and philanthropi intoler and superstit not that balanc not detriment wouldn nice secular humanist david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write not posit sinc noth situat that not estim qualifi head ass bob never accus you your head your ass take quit time deal accus head ass accus origin poster benedikt impair insult gregg resort li articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write you flesh bit miss full grandeur content virtu blind atheism you difficulti light you your head your ass suggest make thi not case post that origin answer not that head necessarili ass meaningless and pointless not insinu benedikt
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl fpv horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write delet point moral essenc person opinion ideal found motiv such nonetheless person fact that real larg lot peopl agre moral question sometim even for reason not make moral object make human somewhat alik opinion that moral question can good for evolut social speci and real larg lot nice phrase peopl agre that footbal desk suppos logic differ two perhap you can explain differ sinc you rest delet that fallaci and not time point for you never set moral peopl agre unlik footbal you conveni ignor that not agre tghe moral analog not hold can expect suffici peopl agre footbal you give evid that vanish number disagre set moral you give evid not proof proof evolv test your theori absolut moral compet theori argument you reiter you never answer object evid that you preacher benedikt
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost articl jcinnt lynx unm edu cfaehl vesta unm edu chri faehl write correct hard atheism faith can faith weak atheism had that benedikt
alt.atheism	theism and fanat islam genocid articl horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write theism strongli correl irrat belief absolut irrat belief absolut strongli correl fanat delet theism correl fanatic that fanat caus theism that theism lead fanat point theism increas chanc fanat argu that fanat tend theism for exampl loook time histori theism domin ideolog invalid that conclus that that basic mechan imo influenc stalin for that matter ayn rand invalid your assumpt that theism factor consid bogu that theism not factor for fanat point that theism factor gullibl blind obedi author lack sceptic and reliabl indic and danger peopl sourc fanatic thing cynic manipul gullibl precis that claim you support note that field theism leader brand theism and precis theist tend fanatic grant you tar theist thi brush bigotri not reason argument and read warm for censorship and restrict religi freedom read anim farm that straw man and discuss you repeat read written not theism lead fanat and not fanat caus theism point correl and come innat featur theism gullibl and that forbid religion anoth your straw men interest that you noth offer defin irrat belief ration that reason irrat belief belief that not base reason discuss for long time charlei wingat point that belief violat reason and anoth that process that not lend ration analysi not reliabl inform glare paradox argument that reason base reason circular and argument not base reason irrat that bogu refer not circular and sinc evalu us ration system allow your argument silli prove mathemat statement mathemat and mathemat therfor circular part second statement contain inform you don belief belief strong theism and strong atheism your statement not gener true second part your sentenc patent fals counterexampl axiomat datum not lend ration analysi assum reliabl inform process us obtain speak religi system contradictori definit god axiomat datum lend ration analysi you refut fallaci discuss axiom choic and can evalu axiom larger system deriv exist deriv you want that can test consist and set axiom you compar evid theist for claim strength demand make thing not irrat antir can agre thi you specif theism that theism necessarili antir requir proof suspect you not traditon definit god person supernatur entiti object effect thi world connect moral and world work affin fanat easili true noth work hypothesi belief work hypothesi don understand thi can you formalis your argument person believ system becuas sound nice that not make true work hypothesi content that true and that work hypothesi test evalu evid for dismiss believ wrong wast time not depend content amalekit idolat protest kill thi can interest effect answer question absolut set moral peopl agre agre footbal footbal benedikt
alt.atheism	islam author women articl racm darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write can recal claim that god make act particlar that you attempt manufactur contradict world creator god moment creat world and sayi that you can recal even below your usual standard argu argument base quit usual theistic assumpt god perfect god know god set rule rule don work for reason omnisci god advanc delet that defin contadictorili cannot exist ask you exist depend grammar you can that poorli defin that insuffici decid confus not question grammar question model discuss wonder time you not post thi group contradictorili defin not point instanc realiti inform definit that find contradictori attribut essenti not that attribut not for can conclud that not exist your point that reason for phenomenon belief object belief lead rat nest unnecessari complex you impli your version thi altern that quit predict coin fall predict happen head tail tail tail head tail head tail and dismiss rest unnecessari complex evid for easi understand explan human god read manwatch desmond morri benedikt
alt.atheism	death penalti gulf war long jbrown batman bmd trw write don regret fact that sometim militari decis made affect live innoc peopl regret circumst make decis and regret suffer caus decis afraid kill you don worri love christian guarante that will regret fact that kill you won regret actual kill hadn interven allow hussein kuwait appeas you hear advoc such action you set strawman not set strawman you want argu war logic altern hussein kuwait fals dichotomi diplomat altern includ sanction ineffect that weren even attempt didn support hitler dream conquest not democrat vote for polici nsdap elect and that last chanc german peopl vote matter suffer rest thi bother you you want bother that thousand innoc peopl maim kill bomb end clear that such bomb world full evil and circumst not perfect innoc suffer due wrong action regret that and that set thing that thi happen gulf war didn send bomber east timor aren send bomber not savior world can polic each and countri that decid destruct invad anoth that oil that make success commun strateg posit relief tibet east timor place don that get forc east timor harder get iraq tibetan peopl round tortur and execut amnesti intern recent report that tortur widespread china aren stop fact activ suck trade freeli stop and support for not agre present polici suck you put agre that deplor fine write your congressman and presid clinton china statu favour nation come for renew june point that shouldn offer favour trade term such despic regim doubt will happen clinton keener trade sanction europ unbeliev comment rodnei king case delet media not total monolith even prevail liber bia program such macneil lehrer new hour give balanc and fair report new even conserv sourc you hurrah for rush idea kill file you end atheist argu kill innoc peopl you suppos christian argu that kill innoc peopl long you guilti didn that good thing kill innoc peopl end don live perfect world and perfect solut resist tyranni innoc peopl side suffer and die didn unfortun sometim end justifi mean you criticis moral relativ past argu that posit judg moral alli action end war you not such posit you moral relativist tire misunderstand moral relativ mean that object standard moral doesn mean you can judg peopl moral christ bike time hammer that into your head your christian love your absolut moral quick you discard suit you ivan stang jesu puke dai will stand jesu and give account word and action even thi discours thi forum understand full ramif that and prepar don that you can make claim not atheist don you jesu long hair lunat peac nik not and btw reason brought blanket bomb germani you bemoan iraqi civilian casualti deplor blanket bomb institut bomb wasn accur hit industri militari target decis method that time gulf war precis bomb norm point make big stink rel civilian casualti that result spite precis bomb civilian proportion and quantit di blanket bomb for you turn that opinion matter consist that condemn bomb dresden you bit glib your explan blanket bomb polici you make sound aim for militari target and destroi civilian build door understand that not case aim deliber civilian target order massiv damag and inspir terror german peopl civilian suffer civilian suffer thi war iani histori come war falkland fresh peopl mind that sort propaganda isn fool stori hundr thousand iraqi civilian dead plain bunk bunk lost servicemen year and major directli involv fight and million casualti russian suffer surpris didn lose men that you turn late mathew
alt.atheism	gulf war sell arm jbrown batman bmd trw write mathew agre thi crux your posit isn that shouldn support hussein and sold arm fight iran agre and agre ruthlessli hunt sell arm hussein and deal invad kuwait sit back and sold arm suppos us bad for kuwait sit back and let thing not correct mistak destroi hussein militari potenti move agre your statement reagan and bush made grave error judgment sell arm hussein happen that entir point last month john major hail great victori that had person secur sale arm saudi arabia month sold jet fighter indonesian govern that busi kill east timores oop made boo boo clean mistak and make mistak that can not deliber thi suspicion reinforc fact that mistak extrem profit for decrepit economi reliant arm sale not gulf war you abhor and west shortsighted sell arm hussein ultim made war inevit thought terribl mathew
alt.atheism	gulf war death penalti polit atheist mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough write look back thi and ask question peopl and inform had claim and you pooh pooh not sold iraq arm land mine mention countri kuwait inform hard prove you claim that sold inform prove inform hard prove almost sell inform that fact classifi and you can prove neat dismiss can prove shadow doubt you admit can never prove your satisfact stick squar circl mathew
alt.atheism	gulf war and peac nik jbrown batman bmd trw write problem peac nik not bad and unconscion not argument problem peac nik held ideal and stai conflict issu deal nation defens not will legitim hold point view milit and time resort violenc name peac yawn anoth wing wasp imagin oppress minor perhap camil paglia not argument problem peac nik stai conflict issu bet you wouldn you love make you that sit back noth defens issu and let peopl you make decis ideal mathew
alt.atheism	strong weak atheism acoop mac macalstr edu turin turambar depart utter miseri write that faq modifi defin strong atheist not assert nonexist god assert that nonexist god word mathew
alt.atheism	read rushdi satan vers perri dsinc jim perri write sinc thi line discuss rest readership read thi book your thought bought copi satan vers talk british govern ban noth interest book make illeg sit shelf unread perhap round pile lem bulgakov and zamyatin don find time read fact interest thing can find time for manag bore didn sleep manag mathew atheism anti viru softwar for mind
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr bnr rashid write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger wrote made clear claim that khomeini advoc view contradit qur and argument for thi thi that can check suffici interest khomeini dead can respond anoth poster support khomeini respond obfuscationist sophistri thi quit clear atheist suscept religionist mode obfuscation don mind thi exampl obfusc condemn even your basic fact straight you want exampl back and your previou post you manag your fact wrong fatwa and khomeini suppos infal shouldn mind sound you proceed sort obfusc you accus preceed statement understand that made claim clear regard issu twelv imam and khomeini suppos claim infal hear your seemingli knowledg claim that khomeini made such claim withdrawn that portion statement that claim receiv such respons infal twelv imam noth obfuscationist claim made receiv such clear respons twelv imam abstrus refer unusu metaphys natur and such opaqu concept us peopl camoflag baseless posit matter theologi sort concept us christian church pervert religion salaam laikum alaikum wassalam gregg
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr bnr rashid write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger wrote read thi group benefit know deviant view articul not true view khomeini basic principl islam that muslim reader thi group will simpl basic islam such view face and not contradict basic islam subtl such issu and sect exist islam explicitli proscrib qur discuss fine start thread call infal islam and move discuss thi illumin make suggest arab word technic becom us defin for atheist not terribl familiar note that initi refer khomeini heret for understood claim reject you sinc person infal withdraw thi basi for such statement condition retain thi refer regard khomeini advocaci thesi infal call twelv imam clear conflict qur that place twelv imam categori behavior and exampl higher that muhammad that qur show that prophet fallibl appear your abstrus theolog statment natur twelv imam place metaphys categori remaind human except muhammad verg sin associ salam laikum alaikum wassalam gregg
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write articl fpv horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write delet point moral essenc person opinion ideal found motiv such nonetheless person fact that real larg lot peopl agre moral question sometim even for reason not make moral object make human somewhat alik opinion that moral question can good for evolut social speci and real larg lot nice phrase peopl agre that footbal desk suppos logic differ two perhap you can explain differ sinc you rest delet that fallaci and not time point not fallaci note supermajor disinterest peopl agre fundamant not ethic benedikt differ that and peopl agre trivial observ for you never set moral peopl agre unlik footbal you conveni ignor that not agre tghe moral analog not hold exampl peopl agre and explain peopl will agre that freedom valuabl state that such condit for object ethic assert and that talk isn point talk ethic thi can agre can expect suffici peopl agre footbal you give evid that vanish number disagre set moral you give not moral ethic can past valu cogent object freedom exampl that peopl aren talk thing answer that valuabl not and want thi implic true evid not proof proof evolv test your theori absolut moral compet theori garbag that not proof argument you reiter you never answer object evid that you preacher name that fallaci frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	studi book mormon tue apr gmt cfairman leland stanford edu carolyn jean fairman cjf agrino enkidu mic andr grino brandt ask mormon cjf don person independ sudi cjf thing cjf write mention event place histor person discov archeologist cjf amus thing bom claim that cjf civil exist north america aroun mystic plate cjf found not us steel and metal had cjf lot war found metal sword cjf and trace civil nativ american talk head archeolog dept onc colleg and topic mormon archeolog that mormon church big give grant archeologist prove that nativ american lost tribe israel and such bunk archeologist shake head knowingli listen grant and real archeolog mccreari edm twisto compaq not for laughter tao
alt.atheism	scienc and theori per thread scienc and creation start dabbl into book call christian and natur scienc moreland question that had come comment state that god not necessarili religi term us scientif term that give explan for event theori proven scientif fact point can quot section vagu exampl gave quark and continent plate explan scienc part theori that not measur and can quantifi measur test etc mac michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu can explain chesterton
alt.atheism	ag reason read rushdi wed apr gmt sandvik newton appl kent sandvik thi stori kent archetyp finn that live bai area and purchas thoma pain ag reason thi man drive stacei book inc cleanlight place dalton place ask for thi book educ american book store assist ask check thriller section that book not publish receiv book place assist bluntli that don such author that not live author don copi book such life and time america year revolut sigh don feel bad search for copi bookstor habit mine for two year spend lot time brows bookstor and and us and not onc copi pick phone and order darn thing come thi america and found father and carri book you can find common sens that requir read for colleg find hole wall bookstor owner that carri two copi that haven back sinc don tell truth not sigh mccreari edm twisto compaq not for laughter tao
alt.atheism	scienc and theori articl new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write exampl gave quark and continent plate sound god us describ almost past come understand underpin and credit god not understood element author includ quark and tecton drift guess that describ perceiv pattern star sky hero immort god kinda sound earth creation that life evolv common ancestor caus that initi common ancestor hear anoth debat causeless event explan scienc part theori that not measur and can quantifi measur test etc mac michael cobb frank doss state word opinion and not reflect opinion attitud polici employ affilli organ
alt.atheism	theism and fanat islam genocid articl dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write articl tqo ook horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write theism strongli correl irrat belief absolut irrat belief absolut strongli correl fanat delet theism correl fanatic that fanat caus theism that theism lead fanat point theism increas chanc fanat argu that fanat tend theism for exampl loook time histori theism domin ideolog invalid that conclus that that basic mechan imo influenc stalin for that matter ayn rand invalid your assumpt that theism factor consid bogu that theism not factor for fanat point that theism factor that your claim back your argument belief strongli correl fanatic belief factor fanatic true and utterli useless note thi belief not belief god tire back read statement read conspicu absenc evid point fallaci wrong analog believ inform person theist hold inform correl theist and fanat higher that belief and fanat special featur theistic belief truth blatant assert evid gullibl blind obedi author lack sceptic and reliabl indic and danger peopl sourc fanatic thing cynic manipul gullibl precis that claim you support note that field theism leader you that you incred naiv you frank dwyer live dream world base discuss left such statement matter fact you ignor human natur even start not get easili fool into believ give you benefit doubt prove your statement onu proof you sunshin make you that theist leader thing and anoth thing close opposit practic not restrict theism for almost epidem thi countri for instanc harder for camel pass ey needl cathol church such wealthi land owner church squar inch countri brand theism and precis theist tend fanatic grant you tar theist thi brush bigotri not reason argument and read warm for censorship and restrict religi freedom read anim farm that straw man and discuss you repeat read written not theism lead fanat and not fanat caus theism point correl and come innat featur theism come featur theism common fanatic your last statement simpli isn impli you you sneak innat featur theism word you grope for bogu not theism fanat rest backup for statement correl fanat and theism and specialti theistic belief switch fanat easili take nifti improv theologi truth blatant assert gullibl shit sherlock not talk gullibl theism sinc lot relev case you oppos case you make theism that attract gullibl peopl caus correl and discuss start that statement that theism meaningfulli correl fanat you challeng recal ask for evid correl you speak and that forbid religion anoth your straw men interest that you noth offer read warm that that irrat and bogu tirad and us creat nice split mind excit peopl such found side church wall blah blah blah quit awar that give right protect fanat round peopl fanat never oneself your slur theist pretti fanat quit nice that you impli connect that argument and rise fanat anoth your assert you can defin irrat belief ration that reason irrat belief belief that not base reason discuss for long time charlei wingat point that belief violat reason and anoth that process that not lend ration analysi not reliabl inform glare paradox argument that reason base reason circular and argument not base reason irrat that bogu refer not circular and sinc evalu us ration system allow oval beg question and that allow not ration and you claim ration and anoth your assert proof evid claim hei learn you good risk repeat and hear had that didn hear refut back deal you can us reason demonstr that reason think reason crap won bui you that unusu weak even for you impli that proof depend opinion not accept that triangl won accept pythagora wow that incred insight don prove wrong opinion show that system leav inform claim unreli even absurd statement inform total circular and total useless make thing judg appeal and not inform make you feel good you that good for contain zillion pitfal belief despit contrari evid bogu proof attempt truth blatant assert bogu proof exist god exist ration system not mean that data come logic analysi point that evalu data not contradict logic easili follow that such system not evalu ration evalu that ration system that not ration fallaci that system sinc valid axiom agre that impact possibl demon ala descart thi doesn pars matter consist us ratiion argument show that system consist that isn evalu thi predict not ration not contradict your argument silli prove mathemat statement mathemat and mathemat therfor circular godel silli stream conscious type that suppos mean part second statement contain inform you don belief belief strong theism and strong atheism your statement not gener true second part your sentenc patent fals counterexampl axiomat datum not lend ration analysi assum reliabl inform process us obtain speak religi system contradictori definit god axiomat datum lend ration analysi you refut fallaci discuss axiom choic and can evalu axiom larger system deriv exist deriv you want that can test consist and set axiom you that point peopl wind thi datum reliabl for reason exampl not dream nope evid for trick that choic axiomat basi system difficult possibl interwoven choos that assumpt assumpt that inform system thi alleg evid not defin axiom order defin evalu method for us foundat laid feel that not feel you irrat belief fanat never compar evid theist for claim strength demand make thing not irrat antir can agre thi you specif theism that theism necessarili antir requir proof suspect you not traditon definit god person supernatur entiti object effect thi world connect moral and world work imo belief such god necessarili irrat that not mean that peopl hold principl oppos exercis intellig atheist scientist for exampl don us theism scienc wouldn scienc note that subject data lend scientif treatment prohibit formul object statement ergo noth object fair affin fanat easili true noth work hypothesi belief work hypothesi don understand thi can you formalis your argument person believ system becuas sound nice that not make true work hypothesi content that true and that work hypothesi test evalu evid for dismiss believ wrong wast time not depend content amalekit idolat protest kill thi can interest effect peculiar definit interest show that belief god entail content you speak aren cathol neighbour kill protest for exampl don conjunct assert and jail kill dissent that import and belief god irrelev ax grind exampl your neighbour fallaci that your neighbour don and time exactli that happen nope not fallaci doesn correl you and not irrelev such statement amalekit and idolat holi book note that edit not relev anymor god don err that that messag excus holi book and come had theist genocid order god god easiest excus and highli attract fanat not mention effect interpret fanat can rest believ happen and and god easiest excus frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl apr cnsvax uwec edu nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye write repli frank frank dwyer problem for objectivist determin statu moral truth and method can establish accept that such judgement not report relat naturalist fallaci cannot prove fact natur world thi can avoid two wai leav good undefin sinc claim that not ly touch human undeserv repli good undefin undefin you requir that innat you back subjectiv and beg question below defin good sole term evalu term ditto evalu statement impli judgement part person make incorrect and question beg below thi point objectivist talk evid truth pretti percept that prof flew can deni subjectivist claim that evid mind behold deni that subject object true dichotomi explain thi help don your argument don rest assert that subject object noth compel that dichotomi divid world into subject object event even sensibl causat for exampl event not subject object subject object true dichotomi subject object that statement evid truth not mind behold relativist and compel add that fact that world can quickli shove entireti into subject categori idealist solipsist argument and that thi perfectli good altern set categori subject object event can reduc subject object qualiti logic difficulti and guess deni that evid truth mind behold not left claim that moral judgement true noth moral judgement true thi thing that commonli refer nihil entail that scienc irrepect fact that peopl find arriv relativ subjectiv thi argument beat thi make sens flew argu that thi objectivist wind not subjectivist nihilist believ noth scienc materi revolut and peopl refer ethic nihil subjectivist feel that that remain that moral judgement associ hold moral opinion suggest not true prefer human activ and prefer includ terror that moral opinion not true likewis prefer includ noterror that moral opinion not true choos set prefer includ terrorisim includ noterror reason thi patent absurd and not posit subjectivist point you ditch strawman and repli mike cobb root messag thread societ basi for moral respond btw don intend thi strawman logic entail relativ ethic system valu assum unreal relativist relativ impli frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl minster york cjh minster york write you that physic adam and ev and that human direct decend two human be cain and wive couldn sister didn daughter human genesi and dai adam begat seth hundr year and begat son and daughter felicit chri stuart yeah not wive wive nod appar land develop anoth set god brian
alt.atheism	room for metaphor can and religi write metaphor for life thi sort fiction beowolf deep space idea not limit book screen good stuff you read and rememb that stori you sound buddist brian
alt.atheism	univers and black hole year articl apr iastat edu iastat edu warren vonroeschlaub wrote articl inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write suppos probe emit radiat constant frequenc black hole closer event horizon red shift increas period longer and longer never stop observ not observ probe reach event horizon detect energi probe decreas wouldn vanish exp never quit reach that kind meant precis observ singl posit event horizon that observ detect probe cross event horizon observ rest respect singular infinit distanc observ close approach will particl finit time peter don forget sing heaven for will wait ain laugh sinner cry saint sinner fun good die young
alt.atheism	asimov stamp battin cyclop iucf indiana edu laurenc gene battin write apart suggest that appear letter column skeptic inquir recent mention asimov commemor stamp thi idea hasn thi happen that great idea start petit religi type snit due asimov atheism atheist stamp mark schnitziu schnitzi eola ucf edu univers central florida
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost articl timmbak mcl timmbak mcl ucsb edu bake timmon write nah will encourag peopl learn atheism atheist sleev suspect quit riddl thi god exist earth grovel earth give damm evid you that such creatur exist deserv mild admir sheer hatr for past whichev god you care pick that assum record action correct religon offer bliss bubbl contain realiti seper physic world belief system can leav you such state and can drug god not requir you remov such useless tappestri can you build set moral build societi that extermin don convert eric virus life viru won you delet file you attempt eras file requir you counselor altern
alt.atheism	thought articl rekj darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write jame felder spbach lerc nasa gov wrote logic alert argument incredul hard for you thi doesn mean that isn true liar can pursuas koresh that you cite thi basi great reject christian account thing word madalyn murrei hair face folk silli disbeliev your incredul you admit that fallaci bill suppos for reason that you not god us argument dismiss koresh god you not that koresh son god logic equal that koresh jesu reborn adda wainwright dim atal llanw eczcaw mip nott mae sig werth
alt.atheism	death penalti polit atheist articl rlyz darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write thi fascin atheist argu for abort prove atheist doesn mean for abort defend homosexu mean popul control obviou effect homosexu procreat that unlik your statement fact prove that homosexu defend mean popul control atheist you hold belief defend homosexu peopl bodi busi defend equal right human you insist that valu biolog defin valu prove your statement contardictori cannot exist thi case mean atheist suppos prove your statement electron wave electron particl physic proof proof god ancient book that not indic exist omnipot omnipres and your argument christian don exist understand atheist can object war excel mean control popul growth capit punish logic escap and capit punish question proprieti kill punish basi ecomplaint your earlier statement absolut noth your question you post show that athiest not exist your view human christian religion secondli for control popul growth logic that you cannot grasp ignor contracept thi outlaw sometim liter religion sinc can creat follow will die bill adda wainwright dim atal llanw eczcaw mip nott mae sig werth
alt.atheism	you will hell jsn jeremi scott noonan
alt.atheism	you will hell articl apr ncsu edu aiken new ncsu edu wayn nmi aiken write jsn psuvm psu edu wrote you blashephem you will hell for not believ god prepar for your etern damnat leav termin unattend holi templ mass slack ncsu edu us underwear consumpt legal tender box bb countri raleigh warn hoard penni bob not jesu freak post jsn psuvm penn state load hilt bibl banger us vomit and reason left even had group stop plai rock music dine hall year cuz deem satan kampu krusad for khrist peopl run damn place for part liber art depart safe haven wdb rock music dine
alt.atheism	thought articl theros pdx alan olsen fidonet org alan olsen write alan olsen fidonet org alan olsen subject thought date wed apr hous helio usq edu ron hous newsgroup alt atheism organ univers southern queensland bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write want start and that christian shouldn involv bit delet book that jesu liar crazi modern dai koresh rest rant delet thi standard argument for fundi can you spot falici statement argu assumpt that jesu exist not offer real proof that exist thought defend point that jesu exist gui jesu exist didnt you that socrat didnt exist cuz jesu noth hand that surviv plato and record exist record jesu exist includ babylonian talmud gui argument that jesu not exist dead point whether god whether god complet stori flaw write josh mcdowel and prove writer us flaw sourc real sourc not will learn real research believ drivel sold christian bookstor righto dan thi your cornflak book that muhammad liar crazi modern dai mad mahdi reason wouldn liar follow die for lie wouldn peopl liar peopl gather and gather hear son law made sun stand call fool make sun stand niether lunat entir nation drawn crazi doubt fact redicul for exampl drawn mad mahdi fool logic peopl thi sinc wasn liar lunat real thing nice rebut alan
alt.atheism	christian moral articl eastman dp nasa kodak write fact god you you for minut you love you you made love you want love you differ believ exist entiti and love that entiti god show directli that exist and free choic whether love not doesn kevin anthonei kax nott don you read sig file
alt.atheism	genocid caus theism evid benedikt roseneau articl horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write inform that invari your child son daughter and sing santa clau wasn your argument that assum exactli peopl debat disagre premis debat your favorit point that sens challeng onc you good question and not address address your caricatur not favourit point needless length previou out and discuss eric rescorla point respond point give courtesi repli you repeat that point curiou sinc that time made not that repetit impli your inabl understand you question give you answer thi case answer true give courtesi repli make point and push for time respond strongest formul point that doesn includ your post tough thi usenet and life tough sinc great deal respons thi isn feasibl honestli answer question put you drop debat poster and continu you issu month and start dicuss begin debat thi issu twice and occasion respons simon clippingdal posit assert that disagr moral valu inexor acknowledg that moral rel doesn simon drop debat for time that mean that busi bore topic not accus dishonesti you can understand you can understand you time ask side mean you clear sometim you aren and you you mean time you extrem uptight and feel that debat line nois sometim tire and sometim thing thi usenet and life tough you deal you start person insult not even put your name hat futur that suppos threat that simpl statement and assert that not answer offer baseless insult for exampl accus ly person belief complain that don answer question that you you sens evid for sens easi almost sens evid for sens intent and purpos had that argument for your claim that sens not found and you ask give evid for and correct statement reason assum that evid found problem second statement provid argument that almost sens that freedom valuabl cogent object thi jon livesei and offer peopl essenti that peopl disagre fuzzi concept such freedom good point and think your trick feel not and absolut neglect possibl that peopl effect process restrict claim absolut subject that process word refut you make ontolog claim you prove nonsens trick feel that and almost disinterest person evid that subject assumpt that can establish mutual satisfact mean and and that result system valu consist thi idealis fiction model sens that real materi exist fiction model not correspond true nonetheless assumpt equal assum relativist trick wit feel that and almost disinterest person even person disagre that even person dissent mutual agre definit and case that for that person and noth can thi useless inexor impli that supermajor seek maximis cannot moral action seek maximis terrorist that claim that supermajor carefulli consid moral terrorist true for ethic relativist claim that ethic relativ impli simpli weasel word and exampl compartmentalis rival world religion for similar argument sens moral subject not hurt thing that consid object wrong you mean that you thing that object wrong and turn not case for you thi evid for subjectiv evid objectiv sometim pragmat sens serv counterexampl for that that subject judgement absolut and long you don provid evid for that univers agre reason your hypothesi thi freedom proviso that answer jon object that fuzzi concept freedom object mean order make moral absolut univers object you show that independ human attribut quit mislead not evid that exist independ human you hard press find that isn logic equival appli valu analog set premis premis peopl that object speak shortest rout hous bar main entranc estat and malahid road premis check and found that shortest rout closer you never deduc that shortest rout hous bar that seemingli you deriv your relativist claim premis logic moral matter belief peopl that shortest main entranc agreement belief and order analog you show that shortest and that method convinc that shortest word your analog work assum that your premis place not fallaci and thi argument for objectiv you isn demonstr that argument you gave argument objectiv argument for relativ your gimmick assum place that valu aren real and us thi prove that valu aren real word you beg question frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	gulf war and peac nik articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write articl apr bmerh bnr dgraham bmer bnr dougla graham write your idea perhap rest world bomb missil washington invad nicaragua grenada panama vietnam mexico hawaii number place wait minut doug you inform that never invad nicaragua liber grenada liber invad describ invas includ not mistaken iraqi liber kuwait never invad nicaragua word game can you send marin you mean word invad sort militari action cross border you invad carri connot attack autonom nation nation invad virgin island invad virgin island thi point view your score fall mexico panama good word game you aggressor pick word scarc reprehens militari action peac nik that doesn masturb gun ammo suppos bad peac nik believ peac cost word person support give hitler not austria and czechoslakia poland avert war and hitler wipe jew slav and polit dissid area control long left rest alon that conveni techniqu alt atheism defin disagre you straw man extrem that match virtual suppos bad peac nik you depend your valu you life liberti peac freedom guess not liberti and freedom mean you life you die fight for liberti live tyrant heel bad peac nik nobl and patriot fine young american carpet bomb iraqi infantri posit horizon destroi iraq sewer and water infrastructur safeti sky bulldoz iraqi infantri into trench importantli command order thrill risk death not risk defens liberti wealthi kuwaiti can oil field tyrant heel that tyrant antagonist interest problem peac nik not bad and unconscion not argument problem peac nik held ideal and stai conflict issu deal nation defens not will legitim hold point view pigeon hole peac nik thi context peopl disagre conduct gulf war into peac cost hitler support genocid abet wimp you can express righteou indign refus fit thi mold and question conduct war legitim term dare milit and time resort violenc name peac rank hypocrisi hypocrisi violent peac nik care list exampl stop warmong will stand and defend freedom tyrant and realiz that requir strong nation defens wow instant nostalgia peac nik cold war derogatori term equat promot pacif godless pinko communist felt freedom mightili threaten iraq jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral hfj horu mchp sni frank write deletia case hadn notic frank and debat object moral and seemingli hit semant secondli can refut your definit can point logic implic and that contradict usag word object area your definit object oxymoron for quibbl that belief that useless and that object perfectli good word that nativ english speaker misunderstood your usag object and debat you don assert apolog loss imagin you mean ag can univers and intern consist amaz moral system can member societi singl individu case and human stick togeth beg question peopl can opinion ag univers and human can stick togeth you that univers real ag independ belief wrong point ag univers direct effect human stick power moral system societi can univers real ag evid for cosmolog astronomi and thi ag independ peopl opinion peopl lot opinion matter empir test consist give roughli result ag univers scientif fact can emir verifi mean that give result matter perform test albeit error bar that largish side thi assum that univers real ag kind realiti doesn depend can that put creationist task perform test and calcul make blatant error measur calcul and result test will extrem biblic creationist give rat ass mean you speak logic consist empir test contradict opinion test opinion test opinion contradict mine even conduct test ident manner don show test valid opinion heard verifi moral consist comput error measur care enlighten true pain painkil exist and can predict work accuraci random guess map activ nerv and neural activ you mean physic pain you sharp point give you that you haven quantifi moral wrote that moral hypothes observ agre hypothes can chang hold that ultim hypothesi moral gravit that chang imagin produc result suitabl for task purpos moral system make predict will that can test and wors almost defin context moral system your predict will correct that moral system you object definit good and bad you luck peopl idea ag object not object you can idea you and can stop you universa and ag anoth ballgam and you dislik detail that problem your opinion assum object realiti and you statement thi isn that you assum object real moral exactli provabl wrong statement claim that moral opinion our and such subject and individu wrong object real thing exist you label object moral can you back thi posit claim exist can you back your posit claim that assumpt make assumpt valu basi that logic differ two and empir basi two precis claim object moral suddenli posit claim can lend credenc claim ponder individu fulli function human be and member societi wildli moral code moral object base hir incorrect moral function fine come for produc individu easiest pick societi islam and polynesian matrilin system for exampl such exist deletia test for footbal desk moral inform and that oppos drift you claim never good mean thing good circumst achiev goal for reason time and that thing longer good thing hard make good seldom achiev sort goal mass murder lead into aztec fine spaniard wipe almost good mean sometim even never claim thi good therebi fix stone immut that simpl matter prove track record scientif method great and appli valu complet wrong that conclud result quit amount thought and thing two that line doesn good for object valu disclaim great young and insan
alt.atheism	asimov stamp articl schnitzi eusti schnitzi eusti ucf edu mark schnitziu write battin cyclop iucf indiana edu laurenc gene battin write apart suggest that appear letter column skeptic inquir recent mention asimov commemor stamp thi idea hasn thi happen that great idea start petit religi type snit due asimov atheism atheist stamp point long atheist insult disgrac addit religi blah blah monei and pledg big noisi and oper rescu
alt.atheism	motto replac dog trust andrew hilmer hilmera storm orst edu wrote risk begin cascad start possibl cheesi good uhmericun shield freedom govern for past year perhap thi debt holi templ mass slack ncsu edu us underwear consumpt legal tender box bb countri raleigh warn hoard penni bob
alt.atheism	islam genocid articl fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl ubl horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write note that societi thi case mainland relig motiv murder and murder kind whether inter religion murder religi motiv conclud that noth inher religion for that matter catholic and protestant that motiv kill motiv christian bibl that kill circumst fact instruct kill circumst major peopl moral system that instruct kill circumst your distinct motiv and and agre that flavour theism ator that indict that theism depend circumst you talk christian islam your claim can understood peopl gener statement theism that fall apart god instruct utterli harmless for part conclud that requir happen that that will work religion easi will and religion suppli not easi not necessarili love thy neighbour not suppli demolish and definit religion broader definit theism explain insist that even murder labour chosen cathol and had noth ira protest extremist not relig motiv you that you simpli will not accept murder religi motiv that gui cut head believ devil incarn that relig motiv protest extremist kill cathol labour that wasn religi motiv not opinion obscur point theologi sinc protest don thi elect extremist for broad religion thi that complex that religi element and you power motiv reveng and misguid patriot you cathol and protest worldwid stop kill listen that you claim not read mind murder ensu fatwa rushdi inquisit and relig war special except isn thi grab bag hoc excus for not murder religi motiv gener principl thi gener principl that fairli clear that religion primari motiv enabl not obviou apart violenc not abstract argument northern irish protest don want absorb into offici cathol countri suppos suppos repli that you you don want dwyer assur that matter you you want you want you unionist wouldn mind absorb into cathol countri terribl thing lose mind word countri for kick don that unionist for god maintain posit privileg listen and you tell your version you read mind and don you specul motiv and you don statement belief face your claim not read mind credibl note that you fail answer question you ax grind you ignor protest stop kill peopl you refer properli describ unionist not protest for posit privileg that not religion base base polit bigotri and heartless extrem thing synonym religion overlap frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	asimov stamp articl schnitzi eusti schnitzi eusti ucf edu mark schnitziu write religi type snit due asimov atheism atheist stamp due discuss thi group time ago theist like asimov quot context and paint biggest bibl thumpin god fearin atheist hatin christian you laid ey einstein bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	raptur octob case you miss raptur stai calm and not panic your natur reaction onc you realiz occur panic absolut useless you had want god raptur you you chose wait your chanc stai thi earth and endur end tribul that endur end save matthew realiz you live great tribul great tribul year period start time raptur christ second come time jacob israel troubl jere and daniel seventieth week dan thi period will unparallel troubl and horror iii gather bibl you can and hide antichrist becom leader european commun reviv roman empir bibl will confisc and own bibl will tantamount treason bibl will your valuabl possess tribul read bibl you never read your life sinc your bibl confisc even you care imper that you read word you memor passag and can quot import read daniel luke matthew revel and amo for book describ event you can expect unfold you prai you never prai your life prai power god come strongli you prai and prai and prai read word and prai will you gain spiritu strength withstand tortur you endur for sake christ not mark cost even fit mean you and your love die martyr antichrist becom leader european commun will institut world econom system design that you cannot bui sell eat you mark number name monei will useless and small and great rich and poor free and slave receiv mark hand forehead and that bui sell mark name beast number name wisdom understand calcul number beast for number man number revel antichrist will implement greatest slaughter human wai peopl tortur and kill past such holocaust crusad you cannot even imagin horror that will place antichrist rule will wors histori matt altar soul had slain for word god and for testimoni held and white robe each and that rest longer number fellow servant and brethren kill complet revel target will jew and christian not worship imag mark forehead hadn and soul had behead for wit jesu and for word god had not worship beast imag and had not receiv mark forehead hand revel will us form tortur and humili order forc you renounc christ will hesit us your love you even your children tortur and kill front you that you will tempt mark you mark worship antichrist imag you will consign second death lake fire sung eloqu johnni cash you cannot redeem endur tortur for short and gain etern life sic endur etern torment ring lake fire worship beast and imag and receiv mark forehead hand drink wine wrath god pour full strength into cup indign sic torment fire and brimston presenc holi angel and presenc lamb revel and presenc season ticket holder special hat stadium vii set plan motion for surviv you not hide antichrist govern end tribul time you gain hide import for your spiritu growth and strengthen sinc extrem strong christ can suffer and die for sake thing move citi and into rural mountain area for antichrist control will come last popul area good radio you that you can stai attun event and discern time schedul tribul you can weather map heavi current tribul will sweep into area daybreak expect delai outbound and perhap school close store water and food you will not purchas mark water lake and stream will pollut radioact wast nuclear warfar and will eventu turn into blood good water filter bring type cloth for season flashlight batteri gener and aid suppli short learn surviv and live land pioneer viii trust will secret agent spy for antichrist govern lookout perot support note watch for antichrist import realiz antichrist and for will deceiv into think that great world leader will bring peac and prosper world hungri for can infer daniel characterist thi man popular and half year tribul will domin airwav will physic appeal highli intellig christ charisma and person intern politician militari tactician and econom expert word will peac will make treati jew will break and half year will such supernatur power that mortal wound head will heal even elect will deceiv you not prai and read bibl you will deceiv domin airwav perhap howard stern rush limbaugh antichrist will companion fals prohphet sic will make imag like antichrist and speak refus worhsip sic imag will kill final and half year will absolut insan demon spirit not give hope year tribul will end triumphant return christ antichrist will defeat steadfast and endur and you will reward greatli heaven start read bibl and prai fervent salvat your sould depend determin that come you will not mark worship antichrist you chanc save remain save thi time you will faith death god find you readi hour gloriou return mike cluff christian stupid ubvm mike luick ubvm give negativland languag percept laboratori bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	atom real articl new rich bnr bcash crchh nosubdomain nodomain brian cash write petri and mathew your discus realiti atom interest that you verg question real that sinc observ not reliabl can that real don thi intent origin question sinc you defin word real that noth can meet criteria thought brian rainbow and shadow real not object phenomenon interest question atom object classic phenomenon neo quantum thi train talk and question dismiss atom sens not real leav uneasi impli that obsev effect and underli thing not necessarili real tree window thi categori observ light bounc not tree observ indirect observ made atom observ and experi that routin individu atom think atom trap experi and test fundament quantum mechan such quantum zeno effect individu atom studi for long period time attempt quantum mechan argument not satisfi careful make such argument solid technic background field read confus quit red her purpos public debat make audienc work will defend assert care atom real tree and real ussual dai sens word real
alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write articl voinnr lynx unm edu cfaehl vesta unm edu chri faehl write myth refer convolut counterfeit athiest creat make religion absurd you don counterfeit athiest myth make religion absurd you read friendli christian bill conner post jim halat halat bear bear stearn doesn kill you will serv annoi you nyc speak for
alt.atheism	thought articl apr mk mike mk mike brookbank write articl apr mac macalstr edu acoop mac macalstr edu write articl bissda saturn wwc edu bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write die for lie wouldn peopl liar light yesterdai event waco texa guess answer your question obviou you waco exampl back jonestown peopl di for lie delet correct contrari earlier belief wide accept that not commit suicid kill end die for lie not convict alon thought make thi point clear disclaim opinion express thi post mine sole and not repres employ karner aix technic support karner austin vnet ibm
alt.atheism	islam and sufism move islam discuss short repli kent sandvik post remark strang that sufism relat islam quit understand islam not strang that sufism associ fact sufism gener dimens islam root word islam submiss islam denot submiss god sufism complet submiss god imagin annihil oneself god not sufi sufi path read lot and recent discuss number thing sufi path fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism apr nott eczcaw mip nott wainwright write articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write great respect love for person not equal form theism fred rice daric yoyo monash edu hmm jesu person great respect for jesu and atheist great respect for jesu not necessarili mean that follow christian muslim interpret life fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	atheism survei repli thi queri mail issu that worth discuss public mta mtabbott unix amherst edu wrote research atheism part involv field research net survei direct reader thi group intend data basi atheist belief recommend you your dictionari alt atheism faq file notic that atheism not belief system and common atheist not belief lack belief deiti cannot imagin research atheism pai care attent thi issu structur question that can answer varieti wai vari amount detail give succinct answer you type for hour imho thi poor method real survei repli you amus for hour tend us lot anthropolog buzzword belief system you contend that you don belief skeptic understand you mean such buzzword abbrevi for unweildi phrase requir precis idea across not you mean you survei individu philosophi fine that not strictli atheism atheism not anoth godless version theistic explan for life univers and not belief system and call philosoph system onc atheism characteris lack belief deiti not twist mean assum that kind philosophi agre comment your question contact atheist you had and and your convers atheism your involv alt atheism count net discuss affect your belief hear thi convert you convinc that your belief acquir wholli ration mean proof exist god etc perhap part mean alien mainstream religion etc thi question contain contradict term belief cannot acquir ration not belief you strang idea peopl becom atheist alien religion not necessarili becom atheist religion requir consider time honest inquiri find that religion intellectu dishonest virtual realiti never had belief will find thi question quit odd can lack belief acquir acquir lack belief easter bunni santa extent you feel you understand univers your belief phenomena univers and human exist physic phenomena problem exist evil human affair you feel adequ dealt your belief and lack explanatori method thi question not make sens sinc atheism not deal issu not worldview philosophi belief system sigh haven good thought survei usenet for year and point survei net abstract opinion petri petri pihko kem pmp mathemat truth pihati finou oulu physic rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistri game
alt.atheism	theism and fanat islam genocid articl dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write articl horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write theism strongli correl irrat belief absolut irrat belief absolut strongli correl fanat delet theism correl fanatic that fanat caus theism that theism lead fanat point theism increas chanc fanat argu that fanat tend theism for exampl loook time histori theism domin ideolog invalid that conclus that that basic mechan imo influenc stalin for that matter ayn rand invalid your assumpt that theism factor consid bogu that theism not factor for fanat point that theism factor that your claim back your argument belief strongli correl fanatic belief factor fanatic true and utterli useless note thi belief not belief god gullibl blind obedi author lack sceptic and reliabl indic and danger peopl sourc fanatic thing cynic manipul gullibl precis that claim you support note that field theism leader you that you incred naiv brand theism and precis theist tend fanatic grant you tar theist thi brush bigotri not reason argument and read warm for censorship and restrict religi freedom read anim farm that straw man and discuss you repeat read written not theism lead fanat and not fanat caus theism point correl and come innat featur theism come featur theism common fanatic your last statement simpli isn impli you you sneak innat featur theism word you grope for gullibl shit sherlock not talk gullibl theism sinc lot relev case you oppos case you make and that forbid religion anoth your straw men interest that you noth offer read warm that that irrat and bogu tirad and us creat nice split mind excit peopl such found side church wall defin irrat belief ration that reason irrat belief belief that not base reason discuss for long time charlei wingat point that belief violat reason and anoth that process that not lend ration analysi not reliabl inform glare paradox argument that reason base reason circular and argument not base reason irrat that bogu refer not circular and sinc evalu us ration system allow oval beg question and that allow not ration and you claim ration and risk repeat and hear had that didn hear refut back deal you can us reason demonstr that reason think reason crap won bui you your argument silli prove mathemat statement mathemat and mathemat therfor circular godel silli part second statement contain inform you don belief belief strong theism and strong atheism your statement not gener true second part your sentenc patent fals counterexampl axiomat datum not lend ration analysi assum reliabl inform process us obtain speak religi system contradictori definit god axiomat datum lend ration analysi you refut fallaci discuss axiom choic and can evalu axiom larger system deriv exist deriv you want that can test consist and set axiom you that point peopl wind thi datum reliabl for reason exampl not dream compar evid theist for claim strength demand make thing not irrat antir can agre thi you specif theism that theism necessarili antir requir proof suspect you not traditon definit god person supernatur entiti object effect thi world connect moral and world work imo belief such god necessarili irrat that not mean that peopl hold principl oppos exercis intellig atheist scientist for exampl affin fanat easili true noth work hypothesi belief work hypothesi don understand thi can you formalis your argument person believ system becuas sound nice that not make true work hypothesi content that true and that work hypothesi test evalu evid for dismiss believ wrong wast time not depend content amalekit idolat protest kill thi can interest effect peculiar definit interest show that belief god entail content you speak aren cathol neighbour kill protest for exampl don conjunct assert and jail kill dissent that import and belief god irrelev ax grind frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	christian moral articl ousrvr oulu kempmp phoenix oulu petri pihko write dan schaertel dp nasa kodak wrote love god love seduc you rape simpl logic argument folli you read bibl you will that jesu made fool trick logic abil reason spec creation ultim you reli simpli your reason you will never you your argument type you onc you atheist sincer and believ for year eventu honest admit that had live virtual realiti christian and learn you accept that you don thi mean learn you accept that you don learn you accept don thi not prefer learn unwis swallow you read suppos write book tell great invis pink unicorn help daili problem you accept thi sinc you can whether true not ask you swallow fact jesu warn you question you beleiv you learn histori class for that matter school mean peopl told you and you don want swallow life death and resurect christ document histor fact you learn you choos and not argu that georg washington myth never live don proof told major event life jesu christ fortold hundr year neat trick into sceptic heart you can not you sincer effort attitud you you trust not church and particip activ you will die for you believ
alt.atheism	alt atheism faq construct logic argument suggest for logic argument faq don cover fallaci name us mathew inconsist and counterexampl thi occur parti point that sourc inform take stand inconsist two variat mutual agre premis stand sourc second parti fallaci respond sourc thi repli not refut alleg inconsist not show that sourc exampl type koran unbeliev treat wai can agre immor koran thi passag that unbeliev not treat that exampl second type two biblic creation stori you wrong sinc bibl describ creation descript dai christma truelov serv leftov turkei second dai christma truelov serv turkei casserol that made leftov turkei dai delet flame turkei wing pizza hut commerci and tlu gic bait ken arromde arromde jyusenky jhu edu
alt.atheism	religion islam author women bill conner bil okcforum osrh edu write stuff delet don make outrag claim religion affect and effect histori for purpso point that claim made wrong and noth valid atheism bill you erron assum that thi board sole purpos valid atheism doesn thi board us discuss atheism philosophi share poster experi atheism debunk theism and theism share resourc relat atheism and even social similar view and number theist come preach us argu case for atheism time made statement that religion sole point that make that kind claim mistaken deliber you want accus peopl ly directli phrase deliber mistaken oxymoron credit religion awesom power domin histori misunderstand human natur function religion and histori that distort histori thi exaclti and for affect two form theism discuss dai christian and islam claim make follow into good peopl and claim that benefit human accomplish faith imho american friend servic committe quaker cathol relief servic bread for world salvat armi soup kitchen and mother theresa spring mind can knowledg islam suppli name analag islam group mother theresa claim that work outgrowth christian form theism ascrib deiti such benevol human that wrong not care for point that such philosophi power chang behavior individu widespread can chang societi work for horror histori claim that christian had crusad inquisit deni awesom power that come faith absolut you twist reason statement that religion never solitari evil into unreason statement that religion had evil impact histori that absurd scott sauyet ssauyet eagl wesleyan edu
alt.atheism	book edm twisto compaq mccreari write topic book notic that pain ag reason hard find want pick copi for not bad mail order notic that bookstor carri thought thi suppos classic deal entir list book written atheist author and largest bookstor area pittsburgh and couldn find section bookstor you find kind book you altern bookstor for appreci can send you list you want nanci you and author thi quot send email andrew cmu edu fate countri not depend kind paper you drop into ballot box onc year kind man you drop your chamber into street morn
alt.atheism	colleg atheist nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye write read articl poll student ivi leagu school report that student indentifi atheist thi lot higher gener popul reason for thi discrep intellig younger thi wave futur guess that eas idea and thought commun colleg campu real world easier for theist peopl gener lock into bubbl and talk peopl opinion colleg you constantli surround and interact peopl idea life univers and harder build bubbl idea reach you world theist forc contend and listen atheist and theist religion bound chang belief year run david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel nanci you and author thi quot send email andrew cmu edu fate countri not depend kind paper you drop into ballot box onc year kind man you drop your chamber into street morn
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr nic csu net davec silicon csci csusb edu dave chowel wrote articl apr bnr rashid write stuff delet point post that rushdi not condemn sole for word book thi contribut factor seri action rushdi and publish public book and initi media spotlight book that larg part led fatwa kind fatwa level rushdi not lightli and number anti islam writer and islam world not had fatwa made add fuel explos situat charg incit riot peopl die riot charg becom even can rushdi blame for death peopl demonstr death blame peopl dealt demonstr demonstr violent length will you justifi thi barbar behaviour rushdi onc rushdi situat explod into media muslim voic matter book effect restrict short video byte show dramat highlight muslim demonstr for twenti newspap magazin articl interview etc support rushdi muslim voic thi person select base dramat and incoher not knowledg islam situat time thi approx twenti ratio continu escal crisi rushdi central spotlight man moment valiant defend everyman free speech decoupl respons interest that hue and cry freedom speech book defam ethnic and religi group continu ban felt that injur sensibl group and present fals imag promot feel hate group for muslim thi kind doubl standard annoi rushdi thi spotlight golden opportun lash organ islam and admir verbal skill kind islam rushdi find palat call secular islam islam separ qur prophet god legisl and importantli intrus into polit arena fine rushdi made view muslim made anger book scale affair erupt into global proport thi time polit situat affect govern individu situat reach polit implic centr thi turmoil rushdi throw fuel fire engag person crusad that made oblivi sens caution you feel that person centr worldwid storm such thi respons reason exercis restraint kind oblig perhap step back momentarili spotlight till matter calm perhap you even feel that justifi boldli defi anger dare umbrag literari work matter insult find perhap you kind secular heroic knight mount media steed battl dragon islam fundament khomeini disingen author grew muslim atmospher knew muslim hold dear wrote book mischiev literari convent slander insult and attack islam and notabl person face situat that worldwid crisi continu mischief world stage media even peopl injur and kill magnitud and emot situat continu mischief good sens desist khomeini crisi mischief make grand scale mischief make that grew scale scale crisi enlarg death muslim world and rushdi continu media mischief even thi trigger factor that decid khomeini put stop mischief person centr event rushdi sourc continu mischief media support govern support that support sourc rushdi and publish noth short ecstat public and happi rushdi constantli media islam rule that deal peopl engag thi kind grand scale mischief make appli rushdi you attempt justif not imag islam good made attempt justif explan imag chief concern muslim apologist for islam and for rushdi muslim willingli releg sub cultur larger secular cultur such that secular principl and law had preced law islam doubt that islam thought good imag princip and larg reflect secular imag good imag mean your attempt total exoner rushdi reflect exactli attitud that result polar brought crisi iran situat monitor for month rushdi ad fuel flame free worldwid voic that media gave situat monitor even death occur worldwid rushdi not desist fatwa pronounc behav total jerk endang live and jerk see thi and insist behav total jerk rug jerk muslim didn make such big fuss book issu death threat and kill publish heard fatwa rushdi didn mouth media fuss di kill fatwa pass episod fizzl
alt.atheism	read rushdi satan vers articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write qur discuss thi point wai quit directli for exampl that god for faith and belief evid definit excel doesn weak blind faith depart doesn even tip put your dog race perhap dream vision that muham didn into desert and smoke person high write and such consist afraid don arab read translat wouldn written consist thing quran not and you read arab write influenc conscious alter substanc and that scribe dictat quran didn screw put vers good destroi beauti and literari qualiti text arab text weren good assum that quran beautfulli written and can muham marri women muslim allow muhammad not exce number revel regul number wive man marri retract thi point that onc knew biggest insult islam that major follow want suppress book sight unseen holi gui not mention murder author agre true that thi case haven interview muslim thi thi fals can your your sourc anoth case judg principl basi claim follow basi judg system can consist pictur islam khomeini imam mosqu mecca perhap gui jersei perhap you quran translat and thing and wherev you find idol kill shamim moham uunet noao cmcl arizona shamim shamim arizona edu thi cross and garlic mezuzah jewish page koran muslim and zen buddhist you your member leagu for program freedom write lpf uunet net
alt.atheism	genocid caus theism evid hour show pb dai histori jew appear cursad religi war agianst muslilam holi land spark widespread persecut muslilam and jew europ support persiecut martin luther and vatican hitler us luther write justifi treatment jew genocid caus theism evid
alt.atheism	societ basi for moral articl fzd new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write basi can that action anoth societi per hitler comment wrong ultim rest person opinion opinion major make question doesn make sens make democraci for exampl totalitarian regim dan
alt.atheism	high time comin verdant uc umass edu sol lightman write theori unproven that thi due simpl envi not due fact that two issu religion and religion religion person belief system religion memet viru peopl loudli proclaim belief cross border religion religion peopl that want save firmli entrench religion memoid rule not practic religion shut fuck you discuss polit thi mean that motiv convers not your gratifi spread word religion that ultim come person and reflect judgement religion that contract and not reflect person judgement perhap brainwash todai religion drug you can discuss religion post that start thi not intent discuss proclam someon religion you talk censorship that closemind you haven understood thi don problem discuss religion religion that can stand
alt.atheism	high time comin rubbl leland stanford edu adam heath clark write larg part christian base notion that religion and that univers flat wrong dai had inquisit and burn heret pat buchanan start cultur war can stand live countri god fear peopl surviv trait fix number resourc peopl for religion inhabit doctrin intoler and not birth control devic meme capit religion christian gain larger share popul memet competitor
alt.atheism	christian moral articl apr dc warwick simon dc warwick simon clippingdal write dan concern that you grave spiritu danger your stubborn refus love and accept into your heart mighti invis pink unicorn nice parodi delet prai for you fact brother cast demon bind you name mighti invis pink unicorn dan you faith you prai for that mighti invisibil pink unicorn not exist cannot pink and invis demon that daemon that believ and save soul name logic bill mayn
alt.atheism	read rushdi satan vers articl optima arizona edu sham arizona edu shamim zvonko moham write articl innknk bozo dsinc perri dsinc jim perri write sinc thi line discuss rest readership read thi book your thought read and like time sorta kinda thought muslim and couldn flap you that drug not write style hard us worth effort come similar background rushdi grew bombai muslim famili and move england grew delhi made strong impress and us strang construct indian english yaar end sentenc butbutbut occasion hindi phrase etc thi get us not indian connect knowledg hindi etc thi not trivial for wonder net glossari satan vers post rec art book vijai raghavan explain lot indian english construct indian cultur refer even islam refer jahilia submiss context satan vers incid etc cover coupl hundr page help into flow can mail thi interest portion part exist jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can
alt.atheism	burden proof aurora engr latech edu rai engr latech edu bill rai write make statement that god exist love etc insist that you that place burden proof you insist that god doesn exist that place burden proof you give proof give testimoni belief will respond proof that you attempt disprov belief your reaction peopl claim abduct space alien peopl abduct experi etc insist that alien don exist burden proof peopl can give hard fact can give lot testimoni back belief replac space alien elvi big foot blue unicorn and larger percentag popul sometim realiti experi for everon
alt.atheism	rawlin debunk creation john king king ctron post whop liner modern theori evolut inadequ that deserv treat matter faith franci hitch point make post scienc not base and not consist quot real alleg expert critic reason evid and experiment creationist frequent displai massiv confus thi quot expert and expert alik quot fact fals and steadfastli refus follow kind rigor scientif procedur thi strongli suggest that claim complet lack scientif merit and awar thi fatal defici you not creationist and thi not your real intent you fail identifi hitch and surround context statement that hitch scientif illiter quot displai profound ignor evolutionari biologi creationist frequent quot real scientist context and fabric statement that subsequ attribut legitim scientist you not creationist and thi not your real intent evid support alleg inadequaci modern theori evolut power argument contextless line quot unidentifi import note that disprov biolog evolut not automat prove altern claim that disprov that earth shape hockei puck prove that hyperbol paraboloid creationist fond dive head into thi logic fallaci you not creationist and thi not your real intent sinc evolut central virtual modern scienc attack evolut fact theori repres attack scienc theori will unquestion continu evolv fact evolut will not creationist lost battl long ago year fact simpli willfulli ignor and irrat acknowledg fact you not creationist and you not that ignor warren kurt vonroeschlaub iastat edu ask webster heard franci hitch hitch not found webster franci hitch scientif illiter creationist perhap plai part wrote quit ignor book attack evolut neck giraff that public quot creationist jean sloat morton standard invalid creationist probabl argument that protein not form chanc not confus abiogenesi evolut two quit independ conclud sequitur conclus not follow hitch misquot richard lewontin effort support creation hitch book review nation park servic ecologist david graber lo angel time and repeat oregonian articl titl giraff stick scientif neck excerpt includ franci hitch not biologist darwin mark antoni brutu flip scientif reason mystic and pseudo scienc sinuos snake oil salesman suggest mystic organ principl life similar organ creatur evid sic note that last statement evid for evolut not john king quot thi review book wouldn surpris interest that king had noth add post quot uunet tektronix sail mikec cranford uunet tektronix sail lab tek mikec princip troll arpa mikec sail lab tek relai net resid skeptic csnet mikec sail lab tek teklab tektronix
alt.atheism	genocid caus theism evid articl dvi mailer fsu edu dekort dirac scri fsu edu stephen dekort write hour show pb dai histori jew appear cursad religi war agianst muslilam holi land spark widespread persecut muslilam and jew europ support persiecut martin luther and vatican hitler us luther write justifi treatment jew genocid caus theism evid heck rememb read quot luther jew shot deer and cathol doctrin for centuri extrem anti semit you that your truth and your justic worth truth and justic centuri simon beauvoir certainti that rise doubt and withstand critiqu karl jasper rice univers will rice colleg
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl vinnkn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write wait talk ethic moral distinct import make ethic deal individu moral deal group moral system mimic natur number wai describ number wai detail explain contradict that aris human behavior mimic anim behavior couldn even begin list similar dissimilar due high intellig describ number wai detail explain contradict that aris don wrong for human surviv for long time wild difficult human social anim and that success defin difficult don understand you don understand sentenc difficult human surviv wild for hundr thousand year note earlier lack mate such abstin homosexu isn destruct system worst neutral member speci homosexu thi wouldn destruct surviv speci anim that exhibit homosexu bisexu answer question keith homosexu detriment surviv speci kcochran nyx edu tsakc thought post idea respons beer pizza
alt.atheism	bayesian statist theism and atheism articl apr dc warwick simon dc warwick simon clippingdal write articl quei horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl apr dc warwick simon dc warwick simon clippingdal write write imagin that alterian dollar turn your bank account month suppos that thi monei paid you your big heart alterian benefactor bug alterian atm suppos that thi true dichotomi troubl alteriu univers that observ alteriu for bank you couldn possibl afford examin case for evid whatsoev that such thing big heart alterian benefactor exist not exist ground that lack evid for evid partit that dismiss hypothesi turn find evid support that hypothesi ground dismiss hypothesi problem thi that dismiss hypothes and even construct that monei arriv month proven that can dismiss potenti that extrem poor argument and premis thi monei paid you your big heart alterian benefactor bug alterian atm each monthli appear buck happen observ alteriu and construct evid for exist benefactor bug atm premis observ alteriu for bank you couldn possibl afford you forgot includ thi premis premis cardin set observ alteriu thi contradictori not you state properli troubl basi premis you that can evid benefactor bug premis lead conclus that appear buck happen evid for exist benefactor bug voila scream contradict highlight strawman argument evid for oneof benefactor bug observ distinguish benefactor bug that not evid for bug and evid for benefactor true that thi hypothet univers appear exactli benefactor bug two statement fals thi contradictori reduc alterian dosh arriv account due benefactor bug thi not evid for benefactor evid for bug mean that doesn lend weight evid can exist for benefactor and evid can exist for bug reli shift mean you paraphras that thi not evid for benefactor for exampl you mean that evid for benefactor for bug that mean you shift mean evid for benefactor that mean absolut evid for benefactor rel evid for benefactor bug not meant evid that tend thi commun problem clumsi that bui your theori relat theism make predict prayer your raptur exampl don bui your us occam razor case exampl couldn dismiss benefactor bug ground simplic explain dosh brought dismiss process show that wrong you thi post you agre and talk cross purpos contradict sum benefactor bug dosh arriv account impli assum that benefactor bug respons buck arriv not impli that and thi isn meant and necessarili observ dosh chang estim clumsi that wrong assign probabl and that precis us razor case god god class hypothesi belong set hypothes explain not satisfactorili explain can thrown retain ground ration prefer not scienc statist altern chuck retain lot ground that answer can that notion probabl estim effect useless equal agnostic weak atheism set fill univers caus god pink unicorn noth etc and observ conclus exactli point make don throw contrari your assert that peopl simon and excel scienc sole point that aren observ directli contradict hypothesi can finit number observ thi case throw hypothes exactli point unclear you diametr opposit guess sourc confus illustr incorrect that you correct that absenc evid can sometim evid absenc thi not hold true for perhap version theism and isn true that for not hold can discard razor contrari for not hold exactli can discard razor post branch thi thread you guilti contradict you accus razor hold for god hold for hypothes mean that you assign for establish that not correct sum simpli put claim viabl proof exist exist god whether induct mistaken and worst bark mad luckili make such claim and specif numer occas you wouldn construct strawman you frank that doesn rule bark mad case bark mad spare time apolog clees you miss point onc that evid hypothesi that doesn impli that observ necessarili falsifi hypothesi reduc estim data reduc thi quantiti evid that talk case you correct and not construct strawman that misunderstood you standard system that god highli and god can dismiss razor system purport induct proof that god don exist unnecessari explain phenomena experi system such thi includ purport prove that god exist fallaci close examin that not you put straight frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	asimov stamp battin cyclop iucf indiana edu laurenc gene battin write apart suggest that appear letter column skeptic inquir recent mention asimov commemor stamp thi idea hasn thi happen that great idea start petit that year period time death person can commemor stamp broken onc for lyndon johnson that held for awhil can start elvi stamp petit for ag and thing move onc past year anniversari death carl christensen dept comput scienc christen astro oci templ edu templ univers curious and curious philadelphia usa
alt.atheism	articl horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl apr nuscc nu cmtan iss nu tan chade meng dan write leav june that back univers alt atheism ban stupid theist intoler sad isn idea can circumv thi problem frank solut delet you access telnet contact nyx edu public access unix system completli free and you for access verifi form requir notar copi pictur check such kcochran nyx edu tsakc thought post idea respons beer pizza
alt.atheism	ag reason read rushdi sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write thi stori kent archetyp finn that live bai area and purchas thoma pain ag reason thi man drive stacei book inc cleanlight place dalton place ask for thi book educ american book store assist ask check thriller section that book not publish receiv book place assist bluntli that don such author that not live author don copi book such life and time america year revolut similar note good friend mine work clerk chain bookstor peer amaz woman custom ask had autobiographi benjamin franklin question aliv fiction fiction final friend interven and show gui make standard employ scott sauyet ssauyet eagl wesleyan edu
alt.atheism	strong weak atheism rusnew manti mathew write that faq modifi defin strong atheist not assert nonexist god assert that nonexist god word mathew mathew you thi happen can version date save faq onc ignor regular post wouldn gener notic such chang and stai current scott
alt.atheism	problem omnipot recal discuss had heard year ago thi problem omnipot perceiv personifi christian god ideal that potenti contradictori manifest such god infinit power can god place limit stuff can recal question recal correctli can god unmak can god make assum doesn exist god exist for observ bind god potenti quantum state into realiti god noth primordi forc natur that exist earliest stage univers inflationari creation god vacuum fluctuat great energi densiti creat god that make god and god stuff don recal creat god god awar that god awar god live entiti necessai that god live entiti god unchang evolv comment post that benefit open inquiri and result discuss kyle
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alt.atheism	you will hell articl pharaoh cyborg martin pharaoh cyborg martin gorman write jsn psuvm psu edu write you blashephem you will hell for not believ god prepar for your etern damnat fuck confus hell gai not becuas don god that mean can come tammi dean picnic kcochran nyx edu tsakc thought post idea respons beer pizza daddi that
alt.atheism	request articl qllg mailer fsu edu mayn pipe fsu edu william mayn write articl pww spac rice edu pww spacsun rice edu peter walker write didn church lightn rod ban european countri eighteenth centuri wide believ that interf god strike blasphem rememb that thi common eastern europ don eastern europ bertrand russel write scienc and mystic anoth book that preacher coloni boston attribut earthquak god wrath peopl put lightn rod had preach interfer god will depriv lightn bolt method sinner evid resort sterner measur smili not make thi you not san francisco earthquak coupl year ago flurri traffic talk religion misc thi result notori homo thi that and citi fact that earthquak road santa cruz watsonvil didn phase jon
alt.atheism	satan kent sandvik and jon livesei made essenti respons thi time kent articl get repli agre thi start point time and don thi start point accur copi scriptur happen thi beg question whether start perhap accuraci intent even wors event not written ey wit account high probabl date gospel readi into account problem inform forward telephon metaphor make differ you eyewit peopl step report you will earlier telephon metaphor innat bad purpos game telephon contrari aim write sort text point that standard gener assert thi group distinct eyewit and hollow sinc can shown eyewit even shown author text evid that origin text larg lost time sea error correct addit and delet case evid strongli direct textu and nestl aland text not differ low level signific reason assum similar situat for base model wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	societ accept behavior articl new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write qvh tinnsg citat ksu ksu edu yohan citat ksu ksu edu jonathan newton write articl qgm new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write question for basi moral moral ethic behavior societ accept behavior disagre societi think irrelev individu decid that import thi doesn want kill you can that decid sound you confus want and moral jon
alt.atheism	rushdi write unappreci articl quc tut lehtori tut aario sami write edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write articl jqd mdb blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write ask counter fatwa issu khomenei condemn rushdi satan vers reason basic that satan vers rushdi titl matter not plai care islam thi shouldn matter that your opinion irrelev gregg thi gui sound borg ish vell thi perfectli normal behaviour vor vogon you jon
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law receiv inform issu bcci and whether islam bank etc post head bcci for fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	boyd acsu buffalo edu daniel boyd write bibl such incred proof christian aren muslim hindu convinc qur such incred proof islam aren hindu christian convinc god exist aren atheist convinc tan chade meng sir question singapor cmtan iss nu
alt.atheism	christian logic xtian moral articl eastman dp nasa kodak write simpl logic argument folli you read bibl you will that jesu made fool trick logic you reli simpli your reason you will never you onc heard arguement xtian friend similar thi christian higher logic athiest will not understand your atheist logic low faith can understand higher logic god ask thi higher logic answer don thi post highlight worst thing xtainiti abundantli clear atheist xtain that illog irrat tactic disregard logic ration altogeth silli excus such and such can trust scienc scienc invent man show weak religion countri xtainiti and rapidli grow xtain never convert peopl appeal brain sens fruitless act irrat natur faith wait person distress comfort and addict emot opium never life had met person convert xtainiti coz reason ration place xtainiti xtian arguement reason unenlighten tan chade meng wise man tell wife that understand singapor cmtan iss nu fool prove unenlighten tan chade meng wise man tell wife that understand singapor cmtan iss nu fool prove
alt.atheism	thought articl madhausc kip netcom madhau netcom maddi hausmann write healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write tammi maddi trim heali you practic you get hang give you nicknam for size tammi lucki heali tammi pass falafel heali tammi heali tammi learn heali thing trademark don charl lazaru dead aliv care name lazaru rise start lawsuit dean kaflowitz knew architect onc swear emploi design sign for toi and kid store sign thing stick store big pole can highwai job hour school studi architect you can move pole ten feet closer highwai
alt.atheism	thought articl aec cbnewsj att decai cbnewsj att dean kaflowitz write thing trademark don charl lazaru dead aliv care name lazaru rise start lawsuit not trademark backward speak proof god funniest term paper hand freshman wrote god exist wouldn mean make exist doesn thi argument wors ontolog proof exist god provid anselm and descart raymond smullyan and philosoph fantasi
alt.atheism	fundament belief sda articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write ask post list sda church basic belief sda church reluct formal creed usual sens word power that church deem neccessari publish summari basic sda belief afraid speak proof god funniest term paper hand freshman wrote god exist wouldn mean make exist doesn thi argument wors ontolog proof exist god provid anselm and descart raymond smullyan and philosoph fantasi
alt.atheism	cult religion jgreen trumpet calpoli edu jame thoma green write religion cult power belong bull shit graem nattress ncl hitler nibor planet vashir galact shape chang psychopath john tomorrow peopl hitler last secret
alt.atheism	you will hell articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write articl apr mnemosyn edu kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran subject you will hell date sun apr gmt articl pharaoh cyborg martin pharaoh cyborg martin gorman write jsn psuvm psu edu write you blashephem you will hell for not believ god prepar for your etern damnat fuck confus hell gai not becuas don god that mean can come tammi dean picnic you can come poster invit and didn put homosexu claus bring munchi and join parti can imagin dean object know keith expect bring leather accessori oil leather crack dri dean kaflowitz
alt.atheism	poison islam genocid articl rbpq ibg horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl bbacbc dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write that you theist point consist rhetor fallaci unsupport claim and demonstr falsehood delet that don detail for thi claim good rememb that you answer statement that you theist anoth correspond that you not member denomin stupid attempt trick answer not unlik rest your argument roseneau patienc peopl and call liar disagre posit not that agnost extrem wari you us word thi case broader definit god us person consid and theist point that post you us your us definit rest assumpt moral object absolut buzz word you fond will and defin exactli and user shown recent easiest dispel you you for definit you free specul motiv for object irrat bigotri you flaw point your argument stand merit sinc you and correspond point flaw your reason discuss can impress benedikt
alt.atheism	thought articl lkz blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write articl brigg ccresourc uta edu brigg postoffic uta edu william brigg write wasn carpent that besid point fact that compel fulfil propheci propheci includ get kill agon thi nonsens can lot agon wai kill fatal cancer for instanc can make list find stuff carpent interest independ sourc for thi assert christian bibl record built tabl hous stair norm abram real test carpent skill build stair hand tool leav plan for kitchen counter and cabinet build cross us pressur treat lumber gotta us that pressur treat anywher that wood meet concret hold for mose outdoor applic bumper sticker that boss jewish carpent back ford escort and real carpent apprentic drive pickup for verif that carpent dean kaflowitz sometim shack catfish ain pretti don talk back goin fishin goin fishin and good friend goin fishin
alt.atheism	thought articl apr daffi wisc edu mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough write articl lkz blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write can lot agon wai kill fatal cancer for instanc can make list dy blood clot bad place kidnei stone complet blockag
alt.atheism	thought articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write articl aec cbnewsj att decai cbnewsj att dean kaflowitz write thing trademark don charl lazaru dead aliv care name lazaru rise start lawsuit not trademark backward yup you mistak make backward comput keyboard bet god thi alt atheism you start come backward type becom believ and that not ask for miracl ask for miracl for real miracl for pat buchanan becom closet drag queen that wouldn miracul fabul feather boa and sequin hat mia farrow wore gatsbi dean kaflowitz
alt.atheism	mari fault articl brigg ccresourc uta edu brigg postoffic uta edu william brigg write delet lucki for that babi didn obviou deform mari get pregnant wedlock save face and joseph that god that pregnant and babi turn deform even wors stillborn lot explain point gui oop gui and gal us term gui asexu sort conspiraci occur sinc mean dozen time past two thousand year opportun time for messiah born gui run switzerland claim conceiv similarli mother father bit surpris lot messiah and had similar stori birth death list messiah quit interest wouldn you feel bad you turn wrong and concept christ god can imagin your face mari ask you you had child omnipot god pull such stunt provid evid for check and question absurd wouldn you feel bad you find that stone sentient and that you step your life and wouldn you feel bad you proof that jesu plot satan want save imag joseph plan place quit wed and equal quit divorc quit easi jewish law that regard pretti dumb conspiraci you outlin that bring attent messiah appear royal scandal israel part act sandhedrin discuss growth church wise gui leav alon and noth can stop and isn will fizzl you forgotten pride factor didn fizzl church mean argument fallaci for read thi end letter religion claim that won fizzl etern truth christian sinc religion find religion that that last roll twelv dice calcul chanc for result argu that special result event chanc happen chanc feel elev you particip let that special event place benedikt
alt.atheism	thought christian bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write robert beauchin wrote that prai young prei young come bright ei altar boi find priest wear that chasibl thi statement atheist sure not intend wit sure intend wit atheist you refer bill kevin marshal comput scienc depart virginia tech marshal csugrad edu blacksburg virginia
alt.atheism	room for metaphor articl bakerlj augustana edu bakerlj augustana edu lloyd baker write want respons give pro and con metaphor religi languag atheist accept thi view give foundament believ atheist accept usag religi literatur tradit view metaphor thi essenti homer concept such fate luck free will remain question whether religi literatur christian good set metaphor for world todai unclear and quit that contemporari religion that and divorc metaphor potenti liter and absolut carri case jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can
alt.atheism	moraltii polit atheist articl cmninnb gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write pardon appli human term human that you basic state that moral can deal human human sentient moral that you that moral can deal intent never that human be suffici sentient intent fact explicitli that perfectli happi that anim capabl form intent object program instinct behaviour moral signific sinc such behaviour not involv intent that even not consciou altern thi not prevent behavior moral you thi you convinc that moral act moral whether not implementor think that not point point whether implementor think issu not whether think produc opinion opinion whether think take place period offer time accept your definit you ascrib moral signific orbit motion planet hmm perhap you can ascrib that human action not natur and don follow natur moral sinc human part natur not human action natur perhap you throw definit natur that will describ action natur and not natur definit death surround mate ritual anim don kill each speci that multipl poster show you shark for exampl eat wound shark person cat eat newborn you kind denial peopl give you exampl exampl and you air for week and pop claim that never happen strang don anim kill each mean write tailor made faq for schneider jon
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alt.atheism	islam and scientif predict genocid caus atheism articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write delet god creat night dai sun and moon each travel orbit motion qur delet that translat found for surpris hear that night and dai move orbit thought thi translat refer two object orbit bucail translat night and dai travel orbit perhap thi can understood earth refer frame thi refer frame dai and night orbit earth travel east west thi refer frame earth that belong group interpret found for allow form interpret reduc inform text interprtet check quot and line preced quot interest mountain set earth order immobil earth ski heaven refer support line edit thi meant possibl and that sun travel orbit that earth sound geocentr will can find thi not geocentr that sun and moon move and earth immobil sound geocentr benedikt
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alt.atheism	american and evolut tue apr gmt bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner wrote robert singleton bob thnext mit edu wrote isn mutual exclus lend weight increas notion run estim posterior probabl atheist pitch partit and necessarili reduc quantiti theist pitch thi divin compon fall prei ockham razor phenomenon satisfactorili explain and independ evid such compon detail post occam razor not law natur analyz argument even interest cite and end odd that religion simultan condemn primit simpl mind and unscientif anti intellectu and childish and condemn complex occam razor scientif explan thing straightforeward and appar simpler cute character bill inconsist two statement even believ that religion primit simpl mind and unscientif anti intellectu and childish can hold view that religion add unnecessari level complex explan idea don complex excis occam razor add unnecessarili complex descript essenti and you essenti part explanatori system that add predict capabl system that even scientist don fulli comprehend scienc due complex and divers william occam perform lobotomi frontal lobe and thrown huh thi confus you will straighten tough watch your freudian slip show mike mcangu truth truth mam mous cmhnet org even you choos ignor sig virus
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alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl itp horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer specif relativ conclud two peopl grotesqu disagre wrong and sometim perhap rare pretti good idea wrong never inform make guess make decis idea moral judgement meaningless impli that whether peac war meaningless question and not discuss for correct answer short posit assert nice hope you can and predic assumpt that valu real statement can consist deriv relativist assumpt that valu aren part object realiti relativist answer your question you phrase question make unanswer concept and wrong correct incorrect true fals belong domain epistemolog moral question make sens moral posit wrong legitim good anoth posit illustr thi point psycholog deriv epistemolog and ethic percept and motiv can percept correct true verid wrong incorrect fals illusori make sens motiv true fals hand strang whether percept moral good evil can that question motiv your suggest answer simpli can consid assum you can judg correct moral judgment problem that doubl barrel agre part that right moral posit meaningless question for reason state that irrelev alleg implic not implic that cannot feel peac war can make judgment bad assert correct posit for lengthi dismiss short answer that two individu grotesqu disagre moral issu correct wrong incorrect simpli hold moral valu feel john johnson psuvm psu edu depart psycholog penn state duboi campu penn state not respons for behavior ruthless doctrinair avoid degeneraci degeneraci anoth sort get drunk and pick bar ladi and write metaphys part life lila pirsig
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alt.atheism	death penalti polit atheist bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write thi fascin atheist argu for abort defend homosexu mean popul control insist that valu biolog and condemn war and capit punish benedikt contardictori cannot exist thi case mean atheist suppos understand atheist can object war excel mean control popul growth capit punish logic escap you assum atheist alik atheist not exist god opinion issu such capit punish and abort vari greatli you attack view atheist benedikt presum present your argument such and not lump togeth for issu start abort person not support abort mean popul control contracept fact support woman abort person view arrog individu not bodi and domain legisl not extend into uteru that opinion and atheist and theist disagre not defend homosexu mean popul control defend end homosexu anger hear character person relationship noth consciou effort popul level for atheist believ valu biolog idea you talk final issu war and capit punish atheist can object easili theist you hung suppos conspiratori link atheism and popul control thi atheist you refer post back kevin marshal comput scienc depart virginia tech marshal csugrad edu blacksburg virginia
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alt.atheism	rawlin debunk creation articl dglinnkv ctron new ctron king ctron john king write iastat edu warren vonroeschlaub write webster heard franci hitch not answer evolutionist such informationless phrase paleontologist and author neck giraff quot jack for your inform check librari congress catalog and list book franci hitch earth magic neck giraff darwin wrong pendulum psi connect world atla mysteri tom scharl scharl irishmv room comput center scharl lukasiewicz edu univers notr dame notr dame usa
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alt.atheism	motto replac dog trust pepk dirac scri fsu edu eric pepk write mammon trust hei thi piec paper spend quickli thi your god john carpent live natch steve lurk horror stelter sj uxa cso uiuc edu
alt.atheism	fake god holi li articl apr zeu calpoli edu dmcaloon tuba calpoli edu david mcaloon write rememb einstien imagin greater knowledg einstein had lunch tien castro street yesterdai hand fortun cooki that imagin not knowledg wing feet jon
alt.atheism	free moral agenc told you atheist mytholog for prove point bill
alt.atheism	free moral agenc maddi hausmann madhau netcom wrote that you repres real christian bill you asshol lost maddi that you can grasp obviou your deviou natur can you find fault argument misrepres plainli that state christian posit understand not whether agre sinc point that flaw that posit atheist invent never claim expert and christian made object pretti intens studi year feel qualifi discuss gener proposit offend you that expos distort and misrepresent christian you contriv and rail classic strawman dodg thi leav you noth attack usual you avoid larger issu pick insignific stuff not find thing post that can discuss can you even issu bill
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alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl uul darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write atheist post argu parodi religion creat ridicul caricatur religion and attack believ that religion and religion ridicul devic establish religion mytholog that not atheism mytholog sens word religi paradoi significantli part render null and void simpl fact that strong atheist that strong sens that find standard concept god mean attempt bring mean result destruct viabil languag intern contradict concept strong atheism not whimsic fantasi and exist your strawman pointless and weak privat note jennif fakult thi post sarcasm cycnic ironi humor awar thi possibl and not confus and thrown for loop doubt assum owner thi account not responsibl for your confus result your inabl recogn read your risk jennif
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alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl uzp darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write offend you that expos distort and misrepresent christian you contriv and rail classic strawman dodg thi leav you noth attack usual you avoid larger issu pick insignific stuff not find thing post that can discuss can you even issu guess you not psycho analyst real life you plai alt atheism esp you god privat note jennif fakult thi post sarcasm cycnic ironi humor awar thi possibl and not confus and thrown for loop doubt assum owner thi account not responsibl for your confus result your inabl recogn read your risk jennif
alt.atheism	death penalti gulf war long articl apr daffi wisc edu mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough write articl optima arizona edu sham arizona edu shamim zvonko moham write bullshit gulf massacr ordnanc us smart rest that regular dumb iron bomb and stuff heard figur closer and that smart stuff hit follow that mean thi smart arsen miss figur place hit ratio close higher your sourc that that date civilian death count excus mean collater damag never sourc that claim such figur post sourc reliabl can judg sourc bill moyer happen theist tie thi alt atheism pb documentari war main sourc videotap includ nation and progress rest articl mere rationalis you claim that sanit plant strateg legitim target happen civilian citi sewer system happen civilian you destroi water purif plant and hospit can handl result epidem electr and exactli your sourc postol interview media demostr pentagon li patriot effect your sourc for effect you claim case don thi relev alt atheism move shamim moham uunet noao cmcl arizona shamim shamim arizona edu thi cross and garlic mezuzah jewish page koran muslim and zen buddhist you your member leagu for program freedom write lpf uunet net
alt.atheism	qur and atheist jewish settler demolish mosqu gaza articl psilink robert knowl psilink write date sun apr gmt fred rice daric yoyo monash edu qur talk lust and worldli desir for god thi encompass atheist fred rice daric yoyo monash edu muslim men screw fourteen year prostitut thailand quot quot form justif for athiesm and equanim belief arriv
alt.atheism	free moral agenc andrew newel tan psuvm psu edu wrote you let atheist mytholog confus you issu webster myth tradit legendari stori belief truth accept uncrit that qualifi almost oxymoron amus instanc found that atheist hold almost atheist view accept uncrit that legend explain basic truth myth don meet criterion andrew myth refer convolut counterfeit athiest creat make religion absurd approach religion includ christain ration manner and debat claim state atheist concoct outrag parodi and hold religi account for belief don accur oxymor term reason atheist bill divin justic fundament doctrin christian man sin that time you accus referenc mytholog you proced launch your xtian mytholog thi time meet requir myth good exampl read post acoord mean refer christian doctrin understand speak for you purpos post present basic overview christain doctrin sinc german bill pretend not and mean atheist claim that not god exist and don contradict bibl that author bibl claim repeat wrote for sake get across you trust bibl your trust doesn make credibl bibl that that reason doubt bibl not your alleg god alleg exist paraphras christian doctrin clear thi point your disput not bill refut speci wide condemn justifi that claim that evid for exist god that will unknown deliber ignor bibl ignor excus don ignor bibl bibl univers accept bibl not proof god proof that peopl thought that god prove even that write seri fiction short stori case dionet assum writer believ thing possibl prove that believ and that ignor problem whether not interpret and biblic philosoph correct peopl never heard bibl read faq you miss point bibl not point contain make differ accpet bibl even unawar exist christian hold that appli univers mankind share natur and fate and innat knowledg god you read post care read faq wouldn thi convers bill freedom you free ignor god you free ignor graviti and consequ inevit and case that atheist can accept evid mean bzzt wrong answer graviti directli doesn stop exert direct and ration undeni influenc you ignor god hand doesn gener show supermarket tabloid god doesn exert ration undeni influenc graviti obviou god aren evid you don accept agre bill secondli human reason comforatbl concept god that intrins natur human reason come back question god gener and human reason hasn come back exist god come back exist god word doesn gener come back xtian god come back whether god and orient philosoph histori gener doesn pop idea god question natur forc and world wide view human natur make univers and forc control natur tendanc god exist religi wish think human reason come back exist god thi discuss not bill thi make point that christian emin reason that divin justic and human natur atheist whether you agre not you not correct human natur you base your view complet eurocentr approach world you attempt sum human thi interest truth determin polit correct content grant extrem unhip wasp male and european contempt thought thi kind dialogu purpos truth thing rememb oxymoron reasonalbl atheist and understand bill
alt.atheism	free moral agenc jame felder spbach lerc nasa gov wrote you that physic adam and ev and that human direct decend two human be cain and wive couldn sister didn daughter human human direct descend bunch hope monster human race didn evolv set parent thousand you base your atheist thi that human thi planet don instinct that christian god exist claim instinct knowledg doesn hold water you that billion christian world fight thi instinct urg acknowledg god and that peopl christian natur that christian hold that god christian worship thought distinct obviou read post and you written you agument your word wrap screw you shift column text bill
alt.atheism	free moral agenc kent sandvik sandvik newton appl wrote agre had hard feel not believ grand grand mother told elv danc barn earli morn prefer not accept even statement provid truth life hard kent brilliant rebutt appar you opinion that ridicul suitabl substitut for reason you find plenti compani bill
alt.atheism	cruel kmr cwru edu keith ryan write don form execut pain electr chair pain rel short live draw and quarter hand pain and victim wouldn die bleed death imagin cruel punish not pain you origion state long term pain short live thi sudden chanc your stanc don chang stanc origin stanc that painless execut not cruel didn consid cruel that painless death wasn cruelti involv sort suffer don that get shot head electrocut suffer even hang produc sharp instanc pain quickli hmmmmm pardon that counter exampl made render your previou stanc null and void don you admit that your previou stanc incorrect you manag slip and misstat your origion stanc not admit state that painless death isn cruel don state that pain execut cruel that cruel depend natur and durat pain long long instant guess death suffoc asphyxi blood loss cruel thi includ ga chamber and draw and quarter that pain that last twenti second long thi arbitrari cutoff suppos keith
alt.atheism	christian moral dan schaertel dp nasa kodak wrote articl ousrvr oulu kempmp phoenix oulu petri pihko write love god love seduc you rape not that great fun not felt joi and peac christian speak long gaze thi not believ hide fear get punish for never bibl hopelessli confus for for god not answer end found had mass delus lie can refus give slightest hint exist christian and suggest honestli reconsid reason and analys posit fact amus note thi context that fundamentalist public exactli opposit not examin belief critic you left testimoni post thi group two month ago dai final found faith decid time cycl emot respons fire onc thi time delus last coupl hour told friend phone that work god hung had admit that had li and fallen prei illus ask you swallow fact jesu warn you question you beleiv you learn histori class for that matter school mean peopl told you and you don want swallow us read book younger peopl told grew and skeptic read learn mean us reason student chemistri had perform qualit analysi mixtur two organ compound lab hate experi thi fashion and increas student workload consider had twice sinc fail attempt never forget lesson matter strongli you structur unknown tempt jump into conclus leap faith assur oneself ignor data inconsist can wrong found that exactli mechan god mental assur suspens fear filter inform word god plai part life death and resurect christ document histor fact and had thi dan ufo stori document resurrect jesu resurrect document quit haphazardli bibl author not pai attent wild rumour leav end gospel addit and insert for instanc end mark miss earli text bibl jesu live and di misunderstood you learn you choos and not thi easi that world exist independ mind and that logic and reason can us interpret and analys observ noth faith will evid make differ whether georg washington exist not assum that vast amount evid present into sceptic heart you can not you sincer effort attitud you you trust not church and particip activ you will die for you believ liar you attitud read your bibl will die for faith rememb hero dan you ly believ firmli for year difficult admit that believ not anymor can ly blind trust danger and anoth blind led blind god will don whether exist evid doesn petri petri pihko kem pmp mathemat truth pihati finou oulu physic rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistri game
alt.atheism	upi mother file complaint boi scout default followup newsgroup short excerpt brookfield wi upi mother file complaint elmbrook school board alleg son elementari school and parent teacher organ show discrimin support boi scout gisel klemp wednesdai pto sponsorship boi scout troop and cub scout pack that meet hillsid elementari school surbarban milwauke discrimin boi scout ban homosexu pto presid gail pludeman disput charg discrimin and believ boi scout benefici carl kadi not repres organ thi kadi uiuc edu
alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write human direct descend bunch hope monster human race didn evolv set parent thousand you base your atheist thi articl darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write brilliant rebutt appar you opinion that ridicul suitabl substitut for reason you find plenti compani bill conner meet bill conner jon
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write sun start orbit earth will accept bibl you forget that two spin skater orbit each
alt.atheism	you will hell articl apr wam umd edu willdb wam umd edu william david battl articl apr ncsu edu aiken new ncsu edu wayn nmi aiken write jsn psuvm psu edu wrote you blashephem you will hell for not believ god prepar for your etern damnat leav termin unattend not jesu freak post jsn psuvm penn state load hilt bibl banger us vomit and reason left even had group stop plai rock music dine hall year cuz deem satan kampu krusad for khrist peopl run damn place for part liber art depart safe haven sound you penn state kampu krusad for khrist vocal power sometim lot gener vocal opposit aren that krusad liber tend can sinc want allow live want you don hear bibl banger stand want forc live bibl banger rule krusad don run thi place averag mix peopl rest and faction louder andrew
alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write myth refer convolut counterfeit athiest creat make religion absurd approach religion includ christain ration manner and debat claim state atheist concoct outrag parodi and hold religi account for belief don accur oxymor term reason atheist religi parodi not atheist paradi substanti that parodi and outrag specif iup outrag religion privat note jennif fakult thi post sarcasm cycnic ironi humor awar thi possibl and not confus and thrown for loop doubt assum owner thi account not responsibl for your confus result your inabl recogn read your risk jennif
alt.atheism	cruel articl bkpinno gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write state that painless death isn cruel don state that pain execut cruel that cruel depend natur and durat pain hang pain you not condemn die instant guess death suffoc asphyxi blood loss cruel thi includ ga chamber and draw and quarter that pain that last twenti second long thi arbitrari cutoff suppos hang not suppos pleasant that actual not quick and clean ga chamber can quit pain heck not give good time suffic nitriou oxid privat note jennif fakult thi post sarcasm cycnic ironi humor awar thi possibl and not confus and thrown for loop doubt assum owner thi account not responsibl for your confus result your inabl recogn read your risk jennif
alt.atheism	book stuff hard find atheist book delet perhap infiltr fundi school board citi council etc you can find altern media
alt.atheism	cult religion bill rai rai engr latech edu wrote jame thoma green jgreen trumpet calpoli edu wrote conclus can shown that essenti logic argument differenti cult religion challeng produc distinct clear and can easili knock thi religion cult stood test time histori written winner and not loser religion religion cult that vile and corrupt exert doctrin polit and militari measur perhap koresh withstood onslaught for anoth coupl month start attract convert due strength full religion and not cult carl christensen dept comput scienc christen astro oci templ edu templ univers curious and curious philadelphia usa
alt.atheism	nicknam cmtan iss nu tan chade meng dan write forgotten nicknam tan chade meng chines nicknam front unenlighten thought your nicknam unenlighten maddi hausmann madhau netcom centigram commun corp san jose california kid don thi home rememb post profession
alt.atheism	asimov stamp articl dc pdc dc paul crowlei write quot schnitzi eusti ucf edu mark schnitziu articl schnitzi eusti religi type snit due asimov atheism can confirm thi told that asimov convert christian point good quot absolut not asimov lifelong atheist and time death judg stori told life felt cultur closest judaism make sens born jewish went llnl gov
alt.atheism	free moral agenc dean kaflowitz decai cbnewsj att wrote you let atheist mytholog great start realiz immedi that you not interest discuss and thump your babbl prefer answer heali reason and reason approach thing aren you creationist gui made lot silli statement evolut time ago duh gee talk christian mytholog hope discuss reason logic person you for your side repetit bore mytholog thousand time delet rest your remark spot that approach answer repetit uninterest doctrin and thought congratul you bill you wouldn logic argument bit you ball such persist lack function face repeat attempt assist you learn thi forum and past speak talent that meager abil don that capac for ignor influenc dean kaflowitz dean read your comment you that character argument refut you that hominum attack suffici make point you disapprov you contribut make bill
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral mark mccullough mccullou snake wisc edu wrote articl ursa bear halat pooh bear jim halat write atom not object aren even real scientist call atom noth mathemat model that describ physic observ properti surround subject jim halat thi deserv frame atom aren even real atom electron microscop atom figment imagin evid that atom real overwhelm won bother evid moment you that ey perceiv imag actaulli perceiv thi interest thought that electron microscop us wavelength light can illumin object atom scale thi imag resolut wouldn illumin sourc wavelength order magnitud size thing observ atom probabl cloud lower resolut give appear solid fairli that atom not object convent sens not physicist question ramif philosoph natur strai thought carri bill
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral mike cobb cobb alexia li uiuc edu wrote true length time for discuss creation evolution atheist and christian debat sinc and debat unab passion mike referr creation evolut time and question point view deriv direct observ can scientif controversi concern consequ truth truth side hold philosoph outcom and can wonder point view human natur make that know anyhth object knowledg inher subject context you stand base you true you want true and can you differ bill
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral kent sandvik sandvik newton appl wrote articl darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner wrote that choos observ and observ interpret and signific depend great deal valu observ scienc human activ and such subject potenti for distort human activ myth that scientist moral influenc ethic concern that knowledg can abstact and pure natur untaint bias scientist nonsens bill thi wonderfulli phrase assum you understand that your statement undermin such human construct religion kent accept thi compliment paranoid visit extent statement relev human natur not undermin religion atheism sinc claim special knowledg truth and sinc such claim suspect can learn that human arrog speci point that cannot ignor human natur examin human claim trick find abstract infinit fallibl natur realiti can can thi can bill
alt.atheism	shit shovel amus atheist and robert beauchain bobb vice ico tek wrote precis posit newbi point point approach debat type wast time and lifespan ignor not option sinc don and leav larg stretch complet anonym thi group bob post long your name time can recal point point approach you contribut senil and forgotten you post exampl your invinc logic jog memori bill
alt.atheism	free energi technolog free energi technolog robert mcelwain physicist nineti hundr year ago knew that heavier air machin not possibl fly violat law physic expert and author for exampl simon newcomb declar demonstr that combin substanc form machineri and form forc can unit practic machin man fly long distanc air writer complet for demonstr physic fact fortun smart peopl such wright brother not accept such pronounc final word airplan for grant crash todai orthodox physicist and scientist similar thing kind free energi technolog neg term such pseudo scienc and perpetu motion and cite call law assert that energi cannot creat destroi law thermodynam and decreas energi law thermodynam physicist not thing arrogantli declar that thing cannot such principl impot common orthodox modern scienc and cover inconsist and contradict orthodox modern theori free energi invent devic can tap seemingli unlimit suppli energi univers burn kind fuel make perfect solut world wide energi crisi and associ pollut degrad and deplet environ free energi devic not creat energi tap into exist natur energi sourc form induct unlik solar wind devic energi storag capac can tap energi need need solar energi di advantag that sun block cloud tree build earth reduc haze smog thick atmospher low altitud and high latitud likewis wind speed wide variabl and exist solar wind power suitabl directli power car and airplan properli design free energi devic not such limit for exampl patent and award for motor that run exclus perman magnet seemingli tap into energi circul earth magnet field two requir feedback network order run describ detail scienc mechan magazin spring amaz magnet power motor jorma hyypia page and front cover requir critic size shape orient and space magnet feedback such motor drive electr gener revers heatpump home year round for free complet descript copi patent each patent offic jefferson davi hwy arlington correct digit patent number requir get copi articl and patent your local public univers librari inter librari loan dept second type free energi devic such grai motor patent tesla coil and motor inventor joseph newman scienc page tap electro magnet energi induct earth reson cycl per second harmon typic spark gap circuit serv synchron energi coil energi tap import that total induct and capacit devic combin reson frequenc earth reson order maxim power output thi output can increas center spark gap neutral center strong shape perman magnet case tesla coil slip toroid choke coil secondari coil will enhanc output power earth energi fuelless propuls power system john bigelow health research box mokelumn hill austrian civil engin name viktor schauberg invent and partial develop implos turbin german name zokwendl analyz eros and lack eros differ shape waterwai and develop sophist mathemat equat explain describ book breakthrough free energi sourc dan davidson water pump impel pump logarithm spiral shape coil tube reach critic veloc water implod longer touch insid wall tube and drive pump convert pump motor into electr gener devic tap energi that earth rotat corioli effect tornado can neutral graviti fourth type free energi devic mcclintock air motor patent cross diesel engin cylind compress ratio and rotari engin solar and planetari gear burn fuel becom run drive air compressor thi engin gener lot heat us heat build and high torqu make ideal for larg truck prevent slow climb hill david mcclintock real origin inventor automat transmiss differenti and wheel drive crystal somedai us suppli energi shown star trek show perhap insert each metal capacitor plate and bombard beam particl small radioact sourc that us common household smoke detector energi sourc mention despit fact that not fit definit free energi bulgarian born american physicist name joseph maglich invent and partial develop atom fusion reactor call migma radioact deuterium fuel unlimit quantiti sea water not produc radioact wast can convert directli into electr energi wast steam turbin and can construct small power hous larg power citi and unlik tokamak and laser fusion monstros that read migma work produc watt power for watt put time version page and cold fusion experi that new origin conduct univers utah research stanlei pon and martin fleischmann navi research china lake naval weapon center california direct chemist melvin mile final troubl collect bubbl come such apparatu had analyz mass spectrometri techniqu and found helium prove that atom fusion place and explain excess heat gener good indic that two call law thermodynam not absolut for exampl late physicist dewei larson develop comprehens gener unifi theori physic univers call reciproc system describ detail book such noth motion and univers motion physic univers two distinct halv materi half and anti matter half continu cycl matter and energi pass heat death predict thermodynam law theori explain univers modern orthodox theori includ phenomena that orthodox physicist and astronom scratch head and consist free energi devic tap into that energi flow seemingli convert low qualiti energi into high qualiti energi religi organ such sant mat and eckankar teach member that physic univers lowest dozen major level exist parallel univers analog channel describ book path master julian johnson and eckankar kei secret world sri paul twitchel for exampl level physic univers commonli call astral plane long time member group learn soul travel into higher world and report condit plausibl that energi flow higher level into physic univers creat boundari configur matter channel thi support success laboratori control experi psycho kinesi world such describ book psychic discoveri iron curtain term econom market fail inventor not monei and resourc fulli develop and mass produc free energi equip and convent energi produc desir ted inter govern need interven govern not interven total suppli energi resourc earth will continu declin and will run price for energi will increas and pollut and harm effect includ greenhous effect acid rain smog radioact contamin oil spill rape land strip mine etc will continu increas govern subsid research and develop free energi inventor and univers subsid privat product produc can make and subsid consumpt low incom consum free energi hardwar long rang effect such govern intervent wide spread and profound quantiti energi demand convent energi produc coal mine compani oil compani and countri electr utiliti etc drop forc employe seek work energi resourc coal uranium oil and ga left ground price for convent energi suppli drop price free energi equip start high drop suppli increas happen vcr person comput etc cost produc product that requir larg quantiti energi produc decreas price consum consum realiz opportun cost pai electr util bill bui home heat fuel tourism benefit and increas travel not spend monei for gasolin for car govern tax revenu gasolin and fuel obtain and energi longer us motiv excus for make war convent energi produc busi societi and earth environ and ecosystem benefit greatli peopl that govern serv big corpor and bank for inform answer your question etc consult cite sourc patent articl book alter reproduct and dissemin thi import inform encourag robert mcelwain physic
alt.atheism	christian moral dan schaertel dp nasa kodak wrote back year pretend you somedai will men moon rememb you world flat thi quit extraordinari claim lewi argu that mediev peopl not world flat thi argument wai pretend tell plato that highli probabl that peopl not soul mind and conscious brain make and brain bodi ahead mind even voluntarli action don plato happi thi and paul paul idea quit you read discuss thi group and not preach you that evid favour statement appli theori natur select sacr cow christian origin and human natur don spirit devil immort soul god fact can argu exist god end time prove disprov will time truth hope and and hope and prai that you find your you you you want thi had assum shouldn guess can plant seed grow don you plant satan seed thought thi you haven explain blindli guid light haven notic don thi fair plai god part your argument sound version pascal wager read faq thi fallaci discuss won not plant holi spirit nurish that help grow and that come god and fail had wrong attitud dan not thi spirit exist peopl claim access badli delud not gift petri petri pihko kem pmp mathemat truth pihati finou oulu physic rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistri game
alt.atheism	free moral agenc bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write that you can grasp obviou your deviou natur can you find fault argument misrepres gee sinc you entir substanc substanti post you lot nerv claim that don understand talk respond previou post shut fuck you annoi maddi hausmann madhau netcom centigram commun corp san jose california kid don thi home rememb post profession
alt.atheism	free energi technolog articl apr cnsvax uwec edu mcelwr cnsvax uwec edu write free energi invent devic can tap seemingli unlimit suppli energi univers burn kind fuel make perfect solut world wide energi crisi and associ pollut degrad and deplet environ give call you build work model talk stock option privat note jennif fakult thi post sarcasm cycnic ironi humor awar thi possibl and not confus and thrown for loop doubt assum owner thi account not responsibl for your confus result your inabl recogn read your risk jennif
alt.atheism	qur and atheist jewish settler demolish mosqu gaza articl apr doug cae wisc edu kahraman hprisc cae wisc edu gokalp kahraman write thi respect sinc atheist dominantli arrog and claim control and ownership make pharoah humbl decent peopl comparison logic thi sinc and thing exist and stand and live etc atheist tend claim control and ownership you that theist claim not control don atheist dominantli arrog don claim god that supremaci mankind thi claim arrog atheist don claim atheist claim disagr thi claim ownership suprem arrog john david munch jmunch hertz ele calpoli edu heart can chang full hate love peopl allow base live heart can happen danger situat opinion bobbi mozumd describ problem atheism
alt.atheism	cult religion media religion and cult rel connot govern and terrorist group wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	scienc and theori articl new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write per thread scienc and creation start dabbl into book call christian and natur scienc moreland don thi book will us your heresai question that had come comment state that god not necessarili religi term us scientif term that give explan for event theori proven scientif fact depend defin god understand mean that term preclu us scienc idea drawn understand that god supernatur preclud form scientif assert that can falsifi that can decid that true fals term us and observ drawn religionist interest blure definit scienc make reconcil and subservi basic religi dogma thi pursuit fail point can quot section vagu exampl gave quark and continent plate explan scienc part theori that not measur and can quantifi measur test etc reconcili scienc religion involv circumv tendanc claim that pursuit can gain absolut certian knowledg that domain truth each fundement limit gerer confur element uncertainti and limit human knowledg allow for concern separ pursuit scienc and religion question imperfect and provision answer scienc distinctli limit can meaning question question can pose can answer basi sacr languag place word fail and mere assert disolv contradict bruce salem
alt.atheism	satan jon livesei write time copi text correctli that includ obviou corrupt thi real mysteri matter and dubiou lot sourc theori number place masoret text obscur and corrupt reproduc exactli copi copi dss tend reflect error thi that point peopl began copi text exactingli and mechan problem don that accur transmiss begin point text perceiv text ad and situat such end mark materi lost for part substanti exist text you basic make mountain molehil peopl us game telephon metaphor for transmiss text thi wrong text transmit accur wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	albert sabin wpr atlanta bill rawlin newsgroup alt atheism organ dgsid atlanta sinc you refer messiah assum you refer testament detail your complaint mail you don want post centuri greek and understood you consid josephu jewish historian wrote jesu addit gospel account harmoni that comment josephu relat jesu insert badli editor for gospel harmoni issu jesu you not you speak contradict start trial and continu assens death juda betray jesu act thi man juda purchas field reward iniqu and fall headlong burst asund midst and bowel gush matt and juda cast piec silver templ and depart and and hang and chief priest bought potter field jesu predict peter denial cock crow matthew cock crow twice mark time cock crow mar and second time cock crew and peter call mind word that jesu cock crow twice thou shalt deni thrice and thought thereon wept mat began curs and swear not man and immedi cock crew mat and peter rememb word jesu cock crow thou shalt deni thrice and and wept bitterli luk and peter man not thou sayest and immedi spake cock crew luk and lord turn and look peter and peter rememb word lord had cock crow thou shalt deni thrice joh jesu answer wilt thou lai thy life for sake verili verili thee cock not crow thou hast deni thrice joh peter deni and immedi cock crew destruct citi jeremiah zechariah thi interest matthew quot prophesi that never made not time thi mat fulfil that spoken jeremi prophet and thirti piec silver price that valu children israel zechariah noth jeremiah remot color robe jesu trial scarlet matthew purpl john time crucifict mark hour john sixth hour noon sentenc pass inscript cross matthew thi jesu king jew mark king jew luke thi king jew john jesu nazareth king jew give drink vinegar matthew wine myrrh mark women cross matthew stood includ mari magdalin mari mother jame and mother zebede children mark and luke speak and mark includ mari magdelin and mari mother jame john that jesu mother stood cross sister and mari magdalen jesu last word matt and ninth hour jesu cri loud voic eli eli lama sabachthani that god god hast thou forsaken jesu cri loud voic yield ghost luke and jesu had cri loud voic father thy hand commend spirit and gave ghost john jesu had receiv vinegar finish and bow head and gave ghost event crucifict matthew that veil templ rent that earthquak and that dark sixth ninth hour that grave open and bodi saint aros and into jeruselem appear beat jesu resurect mark and luke speak dark and veil templ rent mention earthquak risen saint john mention jesu side peirc burial jesu matthew jew ask pilat for guard prevent bodi stolen discipl and for tomb seal thi supposedli gospel not mention precaut long jesu tomb depend you matthew jesu prophesi that will spend dai and night heart earth and mark dai meta trei emera will rise can quick propheci dai post resurrect narr dai time resurect matthew sundai dawn mark sun rise and john dark empti tomb mat end sabbath began dawn dai week mari magdalen and mari sepulchr mar 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comp.graphics	donwload bin file unix machin donwload bin file unix machin suppos convert mac format thi file into do mac unix readabl format mention fetch unix machin thi correct explain bin format elizabeth elizabeth strickler matess gsusgi gsu edu
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	redirect print manag file hpcc corp reed hpcc corp perri reed write hpcc comp window misc nctu edu swh apr can can find sharewar can captur window output printer manang you plan thi regular basi connct printer file can becom bothersom window ask you for filenam that you want creat found that put line system ini port section path and filenam work problem that you send job second delet chri cmj acsu buffalo edu christoph johnson pgp public kei encrypt for mass disclaim didn that pgp encrypt mail pgp public kei pgp public kei toxicwast mit edu orwel correct had year wrong
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	telnet termin for window for good termin program that will connect tcp window basic window that connect unix host great suggest peter kock kock chemistri stanford edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support innov you come care hope get usabl product softwar mass let product don major bug releas bug gener clear even custom bui releas that bug fix bui comput system and run window desper sympathi wait innov plastic hous mous didn logitech insid person blasphem and that microsoft hope harsher stricter copyright and patent law for comput algorithm concept interfac and intellectu properti protect real innov hate innov and microsoft come huge vultur and us brute mass develop staff market etc fat innov don that sympathi for appl complaint microsoft sinc idea xerox research center feder govern forc xerox disclos patent antitrust fear for compani and individu great idea borrow larger corpor can afford quickli bring market licens origin innov feel sympathi larri larri week fight monster make that dev ecn purdu edu process not becom monster and you long into abyss abyss into you friedrich nietszch you can even call secondari creativ compani gather togeth bunch knock packag and peddl neophyt appear appear that find that throw monei technolog problem mean guarante solut kenton cmu edu fix broken window
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	window upgrad articl rrhe inn cere kingston cere kingston steve warner write think upgrad beta version window mhz hard disc can give opion such setup for run and oper system like window unix steve king cere window sinc octob releas and that march releas big improv window becom usabl thing you make leap for that you cannot full speed do box mean cannot for instanc run falcon resours intens program do box absolutlei crawl and machin and ram fast do box full screen for that matter second thing not driver for stuff for instanc pa demot run sound blaster nativ support nice mediavis hasn produc driver your disk larg do partit and give rest window thing whenev you want run window program you reboot and log into window type win window stabl normal window good choic you resourc you ram last thing modem work fax card work and never heard unix run killer softwar box unix isn availabl guess come window not for faint heart beta good beta scott reimert reimert mamacass etdesg trw standard disclaim redondo beach blah blah blah store beer cool dark place
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	window und window ybv acsu buffalo edu mongwa acsu buffalo edu kan mongwa write articl apr mksol dseg mccall mksol dseg fred mccall write apr eurom rhein main hein eurom rhein main hein roehrig write not whether area whether window will includ window server that can run window applic remot not you add inform not for instanc your sourc inform copi isn microsoft will not releas version ask not told you insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	telnet termin for window articl apr leland stanford edu kock chemistri stanford edu peter kock write for good termin program that will connect tcp window basic window that connect unix host great suggest winqvt net latest version qvt net come version that direct packet driver nf version price quit low registr student registr and nice packag come complet termin emul ftp pop client lpr and nntp client you can ftp biochemistri bioc cwru edu pub qvtnet qvtnet zip upload ftp cica indiana edu recent ashok ashok aiyar mail ashok biochemistri cwru edu depart biochemistri tel cwru school medicin cleveland ohio fax
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	window zip unzip pwb aerg canberra edu paul blackman write articl sol deakin russ deakin russ sharp write pkzip and interest hear peopl us window program that call and stand rest full window version that not call do pkzip pkunzip command russ quinzip window version don handl function do version problem that quinzip slow that winzip choic us pkzip window deni simard montreal simardd er umontr
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	chang startup logo previou articl lourai sea gwu edu michael panayiotaki wrote articl fidonet org doell fidonet org doell write brad mondai april brad small wrote crosspost sinc don your setup copi win cnf vgalogo lgo vgalogo rle win grab thi supercharg window judd robbin great book thi you can put your logo into window startup anoth thing thi window faq your file that faq mine wont work for mend don file limit total size win cfn vgalogo log your rle file your rle file rob resembl view and rob faculti advisor termin mohn view window pure coinci dental richard traina not rmohn vax support view doesn clarku edu want clarki
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	cool bmp file adair atldb dbsoftwar owen adair write articl apr dlss jame dlss jame cum write newsgroup comp window misc path atldb uupsi psinntp uunet gatech howland reston an net bogu sura net darwin sura net convex sea smu edu void dalnet dlss jame jame dlss jame cum subject cool bmp file messag apr dlss organ redrock develop refer apr gmuvax gmu edu distribut usa date tue apr gmt line articl apr gmuvax gmu edu rwang gmuvax gmu edu john wang write guess subject get bore bmp file that window wonder bodi beauti bmp file can share can ftp site for bmp file sceneri file anim file etc us delet give respons kinda wallpap us origin gif call not real artist name and logo lower corner you will vga and thi size for color screen us thi your window directori and not tile hope you enjoi thi for size not post name you email you enjoi dave bushong wang laboratori inc amateur radio callsign project leader recognit product ari noca internet dbushong wang
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	info do msw meltdown progress nice apr bert eec uic edu zmola bert eec uic edu carl zmola write sombodi data wrong sinc mac finder systerm you want call doesn survei tend doubt result sombodi wrote doesn mean correct note that two tabl don talk popul fortun compani favor platform primari applic platform sale not fortun fortun compani don lot develop mac top platform expect that that explain discrep insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	question eisa video board perform apr hubcap clemson edu charlea eng clemson edu charl allen write articl ubg world std cfw world std christoph wroten eisa machin and not understand eisa video card match perform isa counterpart for instanc eisa orchid pro design ii fast isa diamond speedstar isn call fast don understand eisa video card aren group level perform local bu card that eisa video card bit bu move data isa bit good question answer eisa bu move bit isa move speed isa bu that mhz local bu design move bit eisa move data cpu speed mhz mhz cpu local bu move bit data mhz and eisa move bit data mhz local bu time faster eisa mhz cpu eisa two time fast isa expect eisa board twice fast isa board not you move data path twice wide differ number clock requir for bu transact two buss isa board requir multipl clock per bu transact typic thi eisa board suppos burst rate expect perform that isa card guess for question unansw expect speed differ and appar not insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	emm and window articl ardi cso uiuc edu ardi cso uiuc edu ardi mack write almost exclus run window do base applic procommplu config sy emm load option noem expand memori thread comp newsgroup read that emm load manual that emm us expand memori extend memori sinc noem option that emm devic useless case us emm remov config sy for your eric emm noem enabl system us upper memori and that good place for devic driver do kernal etc thought that highmem sy that emm config sy and load driver high mous vga shadow bio do kei etc haven check mem manag load high and sinc emm window load slightli faster extra meg freemem window run enhanc meg ram meg swap and rid ctrl alt del reboot problem comput not reboot ctrl alt del exit window emm config sy info thi eric
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	desktop font chang articl uacsc albani edu uacsc albani edu write user unusu problem alt tab full screen do program back window desktop font chang back full screen do program and back window font chang back default font not major problem work and font legibl annoi idea thi happen dec machin consol had similar problem recal exit do session full screen mode menu titl had chang scrambl version icon titl font that start happen us icontitlefacenam win ini chang desktop font arial stop exit do session full screen mode mac us similar aren comput weird mark hadfield hadfield wao greta cri niwa oceanograph taihoro nukurangi evan bai greta point telephon box kilbirni fax wellington zealand
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support kenton shaver andrew cmu edu write let product don major bug releas bug gener clear even gener second major releas take care advic base plenti person experi never bui version microsoft thi includ major version number upgrad previou releas such microsoft wait for upgrad slipstream upgrad you bui san francisco granola fruit and nut and you left flake
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl apr samba oit unc edu dil admin mh unc edu dave laudicina write microsoft largest softwar compani planet cannot even comput concept that innov and brought market xerox parc appl osborn gnu and pioneer and led futur comput microsoft technolog leader post thi question nari repli make challeng can come microsoft employe respons thi time guess pretti assur that suspect you come care hope get usabl product softwar mass thx dave you that window useabl you not us window version crash protect wear helmet comput arir air bag expens add brett brett sherron ferrel email bferrel uceng edu cinci catch cat colleg engin you can friend don friend window wittism week that wrong ism you ferrish bueller
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	not post bitmap download post bitmap origin poster quit altern post comp binari window and let good idea post articl number peac mick michael panayiotaki lourai sea gwu edu ac uunet sea gwu edu lourai make window grp file reflect directori ain never wrong
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	leak memori resourc articl csn org richardf teal csn org iriemon write dmittleman bpavm bpa arizona edu daniel mittleman write run win ndw meg memori and meg perm swap file and get exceedingli frustrat that applic not give back system resourc close notic thi explain that window not clear upper memori block program thi post similar back window not free sy resourc applllic that applic that job left applic that applic clean quit util for window will clean sy resourc applic quit mother zip peac mickei michael panayiotaki lourai sea gwu edu ac uunet sea gwu edu lourai make window grp file reflect directori ain never wrong
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	chang startup logo long run discuss chang startup logo for window for week copi method great haven mention program that will for you found cica call winlogo can rememb unfortuant and work real even come coupl exampl rle file creat rle file specif rle format mention winlogo readm file can point direct such beast real directori path mention didn pan mail oddjob plymouth edu vm andi psc plymouth edu disclaim end user softwar that avenu for user week modif programm not user friendli
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	print file print file situat home word for window printer work window postscript printer not word configur machin home us postscript printer and us print file option produc nice postscript file bring work question print thi postscript file print manag work for exampl select print file manag treat postscript text file and page postscript gibberish that can open do window and copi file work not multitask applic run slowli and paus for second pass postscript file print manag can find mention document thi michael clase memori univers newfoundland mclase riemann math mun
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl bgzv uceng edu bferrel ant occ edu brett ferrel write articl apr samba oit unc edu dil admin mh unc edu dave laudicina write microsoft largest softwar compani planet cannot even comput concept that innov and brought market xerox parc appl osborn gnu and pioneer and led futur comput microsoft technolog leader post thi question nari repli make challeng can come microsoft employe respons thi time guess pretti assur that suspect you come care hope get usabl product softwar mass thx dave you that window useabl you not us window version crash protect wear helmet comput arir air bag expens add brett ladi gentlemen thi discuss comp window advocaci belong you john grant jagrant emr emr airborn geophys geolog survei canada ottawa john grant jagrant emr emr airborn geophys geolog survei canada ottawa
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	emm and window articl ardi cso uiuc edu ardi cso uiuc edu ardi mack almost exclus run window do base applic procommplu config sy emm load option noem expand memori thread comp newsgroup read that emm load emm noem enabl system us upper memori and that good place for devic driver do kernal etc emm not reqir load do kernal high you couldn mail messag recommend that remov sinc run procomplu frequent do and suspect emm will slow window charl cballen clemson edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	leak memori resourc interest tabl show resourc applic and back shut thi window user issu applic min resourc us resourc not return gdi user gdi user winsleuth gold word for window lotu art and leter powerpoint corel draw micro design crosstalk excel hijacck imag color pro pictur publish powerlead execut adob type manag skylight number percentag and decreas order thi tabl tell you you frequent start and exit program that doesn give back resourc you continu lose resouc open program onc and leav open btw peopl can add thi list applic watch for doug
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	respond lbuttondblclk objectwindow resond left button doubl click messag lbuttondblclk combo box code class mycombobox public tcombobox public mycombobox ptwindowsobject apar int resourceid word atextlen tcombobox apar resourceid atextlen virtual void wmlbuttondblclk rtmessag msg lbuttondblclk void mycombobox wmlbuttondblclk rtmessag msg respond messag select item list box wrong program appreci jun talk lord window
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	chang icon for program window articl apr uenic evansvil edu toell uenic evansvil edu chad toell write suppos you want chang icon for program window such do you can thi depend wether you replac thi icon that come standard window icon icon manag that come window highlight item click onc click file and properti you box chang icon click you present icon sometim you don present click brows box and for file moricon dll select brows icon present and doubl click your desir icon you want replac icon icon manag iconpow for instanc open icon manag bottom your screen will not block applic icon you replac you found your desir icon click onc and hold mous button pull thi icon you chang and that regard kan mongwa mongwa acsu buffalo edu state univeristi bitnet wxkp ubvm humpti dumpti york buffalo wxkp ubvm
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	leak memori resourc dmittleman bpavm bpa arizona edu daniel mittleman write thi faq direct answer get frustrat and for run win ndw meg memori and meg perm swap file and get exceedingli frustrat that applic not give back system resourc close line delet danni daniel david mittleman danni arizona edu danni work sharewar toolbar found eat resourc and wise person point sdk and specif debug kernel onc you sdk stuff instal thi come you run normal debug swap debug kernel run slower you execut command dbwin and report you you find lot your app you care and possibl peopl app that opa thi doesn make sens repost mail dave dave campbel wynaps wynaps wynaps indirect sharewar custom control sourc
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	for organ for organ program for window lotu organ not bad for calend schedul list nice addit address phone book diari suggest sharewar public copyright email sthong eniac sea upenn edu steven hong email address sthong eniac sea upenn edu univers pennsylvania engin class
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	leak memori resourc articl apr sea gwu edu lourai sea gwu edu michael panayiotaki write articl csn org richardf teal csn org iriemon write dmittleman bpavm bpa arizona edu daniel mittleman write run win ndw meg memori and meg perm swap file and get exceedingli frustrat that applic not give back system resourc close notic thi explain that window not clear upper memori block program thi post similar back window not free sy resourc applllic that applic that job left applic that applic clean quit util for window will clean sy resourc applic quit mother zip peac mickei that your shell hog resourc for exampl open app data file that result low system resourc ndw shell program manag and shell app ted
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	wfworkgroup server deaf observ thi behaviour and you cure workstat wfw network deaf form commun workstat network workstaton can interact time deaf workstat set share disc etc machin ram diamond stealth video behav thi varieti bit network adapt includ smc elit behav us window vga driver diamond driver
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	window and ati ultra mach chip size question upgrad trident tvga ati graphic ultra mach chip quit pleas perform problem window notic that tile bar and scroll bar significantli larger trident card set ini file that can chang make smaller not find faq for thi list mike mdtancsa watart uwaterloo
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	laser jet and window had chanc find laser jet behav window daniel royer
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	roman bmp don post uuencod bitmap you want put alt binari area file larg and crash user newsfe wast band width convert gif bmp program not worth post bmp file kirk membri ag ag industri rutger viamar kmembri alexand rodchenko
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	need do app and window sinc load window two do applic act strang appear that font and page orient not recogn wordperfect do and quattropro do anoth do applic accept font and page orient don problem printer reload quattropro and not accept whether launch window do prompt suggest correct thi problem order quattropro for window landscap applic print immedi mail advanc sue bittner internet nig cmuvm csv cmich edu central michigan univers bitnet nig cmuvm pleasant
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support stuff delet microsoft bferrel ant occ edu brett ferrel write you that window useabl you not us window version crash protect wear helmet comput arir air bag expens add brett you read advertis crash protect such market gimick isn funni month window machin had crash onc and don run mill configur microsoft not leader innov build mousetrap wrong that larri lude ludwig twice clemson univers compsci undergrad you never heard lude hubcap clemson edu appl lude clemson clemson edu steve job
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	roman bmp respons request for cool bitmap post cliff peopl internet pai for byte data pass subscrib new group bitmap larg bitmap cost lot monei special new group for bitmap thi don subscrib put you bitmap place read faq guid newus group and will you bitmap and thousand establish mine that you cost monei limit budget thi flame you distribut usa didn work kenb ken blackler jet fusion jet joint undertak abingdon energi for oxfordshir england futur disclaim note that person view and not constru offici comment jet project
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	wordperfect for window instal wordperfect for window comput run meg ram and meg virtual mem set for window get error run tell that don memori disk space sinc meg free assum that don memori can take run thi beast stealth dave destil mtu edu you caught thi address internet will deni respons us thi mail will destruct second
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	info do msw meltdown progress nice articl messinac iho netcom messina netcom toni porczyk write ajayshah almaak usc edu ajai shah write prefer applic develop platform fortun corpor survei sentri market research survei unix mainfram do msw develop hous app not app sold open market statist that laughabl simpli mean that not shrink wrap usabl app for unix and develop disproportion compar instal unix base you surpris find that not develop mainstream do and window app develop do window week recent print rumor that microsoft excel develop group develop anoth trade rag articl recent group window develop sun sparcstat softpc test work sco unix and popular develop platform for do window and even app do and window simpli not robust stabl for develop work imho and appar agre marc fraioli mfraioli grebyn minimalist
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl hubcap clemson edu lude hubcap clemson edu larri lude ludwig write stuff delet microsoft bferrel ant occ edu brett ferrel write you that window useabl you not us window version crash protect wear helmet comput arir air bag expens add brett you read advertis crash protect such market gimick isn funni month window machin had crash onc and don run mill configur microsoft not leader innov build mousetrap wrong that larri lude ludwig twice clemson univers compsci undergrad you never heard lude hubcap clemson edu appl lude clemson clemson edu steve job sound funni will admit for true window crash time and read mag thi not except each window app vdm and can touch each gener aren suppos window work for you great thi peopl don choic window doesn crash you and you don mind wait each task and not adress your memori do kei reason for us even fight brett brett sherron ferrel email bferrel uceng edu cinci catch cat colleg engin you can friend don friend window wittism week that wrong ism you ferrish bueller
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support lude hubcap clemson edu larri lude ludwig write stuff delet microsoft bferrel ant occ edu brett ferrel write you that window useabl you not us window version crash protect wear helmet comput arir air bag expens add brett you read advertis crash protect such market gimick isn funni month window machin had crash onc and don run mill configur wow you us for singl task word process file load and virtual machin ram friend street gripe that can even format floppi background unix peopl love us multi task system microsoft not leader innov build mousetrap wrong that bad hold gun mous piper throw mice trap work kenton cmu edu fix broken window
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	bmp format mean articl robertsa unix tcd robertsa unix tcd andrew robert write exactli window bitmap format mean data store width height colour bitmap data couldn find th user manual refer materi give thi inform thoma sunshin kodak thoma kinsman newsgroup comp window programm misc alt binari pictur util subject dib bmp creation guid request keyword dib bmp bitmap file format messag dec kodak kodak date dec gmt sender new kodak kodak organ precambiran electron rochest line xref cradl titech comp window programm misc guid creation dib imag thoma kinsman precambrian electron falstaff rochest thomask kodak copyright march abstract format imag creat for us window applic document window programm refer guid thi guid intend clearifi word specif and put recommend altern send updat correct suggest and revis for write thi time keep name document you for your respect thi document copyright thoma kinsman desir postscript version thi document thi inform free you you pai for 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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	telem window funni confus problem telem win everytim close do box telem oper affect file transfer open close window program run smoothli file transfer oper affect close do box can gimm pointer and fix advanc glenn jayaputera
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl uceng edu bferrel ant occ edu brett ferrel write articl hubcap clemson edu lude hubcap clemson edu larri lude ludwig write munch you read advertis crash protect such market gimick isn funni month window machin had crash onc and don run mill configur munch reformat sound funni will admit for true window crash time and read mag thi not except that massiv crash problem exceedingli rare window almost never crash can crash errant applic person favorit corel program hand had crash randomli number time run applic for instanc todai discov download procomm for window run seamless standard vga driver run mill vga card decid that want edit copi quot that want add finger sinc learn not trust seamless fire full screen wino session whoop download finish wino load had pointer hit alt escap back desktop lot font load take good long blam screen trash procomm hang can sorta mous click minim wino session and back fullscreen window session color red and green and yellow and brown blue and grei close thi and back desktop fulli restor sit window open longer connect port exit normal told onlin and hang hung load anoth bad idea shutdown and reboot refresh shutdown close noth happen window list come shutdown huh alright wait second run slow hmm run shutdown noth reboot enjoi checkdisk time thi case part crash not isn even smart compromis guess everydai specif todai us each window app vdm and can touch each gener aren suppos that idea truth program crash will bring system program that gpf window program that fine do and window bring scream halt task protect for instanc wonder print preview window do lock system work fine do even do box window admittedli doesn crash run full screen time thi bug big bit hard window work for you great thi peopl don choic window doesn crash you and you don mind wait each task explain time wait window copi format floppi print and even not long page dump printman per minut and can thing slowli thi download print and not adress your memori do not you mean see meg six for us you want count wino window see meg you count disk cach for for memori effici big issu geo current king intel desktop kei reason for us even fight hand final confid that and window bit hardwar sensit for instanc machin sit run fine machin constantli lock window ran hitch onc crash instal lot sensit window suppos machin that window doesn wittism week that wrong ism you ferrish bueller wasn thi ferri bueller stupid law and stupid normal law
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	window video driver super vga card manufactur sampo taiwan and for window driver for base cirru logic chip contact supplier zealand and that window diver written manufactur driver for thi chip set prefer mail rjwjame waikato advanc ross jame
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	text editor handl larg file titl text editor notepad that can handl larg text file for and jame burk read thi you agre not hold writer respons for evil jburk abacu bate edu happen that befal you time
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl slalp tamsun tamu edu jeffw tamu edu jeffrei waller write articl microsoft jenk microsoft jen kilmer write articl uceng edu bferrel ant occ edu brett ferrel write articl microsoft cliffga microsoft clifford garrett write guess that do and applic come and window app come ironi yep app com app com anoth micro minion hope that long hei rememb good dai run alpha excel word and coupl intern app product support databas client base email front end life good impract mass window and job mass appar you prefer window window you last comment you mean that your knowledg date argu date us alpha msft develop suspect that mass window couldn afford us can you for prefer window stabl faster run app made thi choic releas get back origin question you data rel avaliabl window applic versu applic evid that state support will drop such data grow compani support make point you life term debat point you grow rememb dai kid engag orderli debat parent find and forc act matur manner heap invect and cast rock and dirt clod hee hee good doesn microsoft employe assum you due org wrong such trivial thing net microsoft emploi employe walk into thi place not walk into commerci individu you talk thing and microsoft time appear that voic frustrat attitud encount and that encount hand had such experi read thi thread you microsoft uniqu posit present fact hmm you speak experi user peopl market group uniqu posit present result research upcom and app window and do app part point that work microsoft not mean access such data exist prefer make baseless claim attack poster make conclus will confess time attack poster usenet account not restrict marketroid open fulltim and primarili for recreat purpos yeah like answer question hop into debat make stupid comment you human be thi newsgroup for opress hacker and strand extraterrestri not human alt microsoft human you discount point that not microsofti sell reader product conflict ad philosophi usenet necessarili access info that tire peopl assum that microsofti member borg jen includ stdisclaim jenk microsoft msdo test
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl infodev cam tjrc cu cam cutt write even point stand extent that limit place not such edit control limit limit not limit fall categori reason limit you find alloc edit control for text time good your program design such small limit number global memori handl allow small number that you hit wall wai you hit systemwid limit global handl you abus globalalloc and don that imposs abus resourc oper system system limit question whether not limit reason you haven offer singl argument suggest that window limit reason limit system rick schaut uunet beaver microsoft rich microsoft doesn speak for and don speak for microsoft
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	driver for chip technolog video board need find window driver for video board that base chip technolog chipset actual board scorpion framegrabb made univis base chipset bare support graphic mode hope that driver us mode stephen corbesero system manag and adjucnt lectur memori drive west corbesero eec lehigh edu eec dept lehigh univers sgc lehigh edu bethlehem voic fax
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	util that you remap keyboard win util that you remap keyboard win for pointer
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl twall ncc demon twall ncc demon tim wall write twall ncc demon tim wall subject challeng microsoft support date mon articl vax clarku edu rmohn vax clarku edu write don want run blast window time want delet tree absolut ludicr load hog that delet file requir crane chang tyre car you don and never had that enhanc shell for rememb do and ndo mean come you can expect do cover microsoft project work want you move window win and eventu cairo thi give you reason deliber crippl product sure hold guess you that stink microsoft market techniqu don deliber crippl project hand technic achiev for that ride top do mean you gui reason speed xwindow run top linux similar you gonna fast processor do death amen that damn sight deader for dead product us aw lot and suspect carri twitch for long isn good for peopl us do program mean busi world mike
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support jenk microsoft jen kilmer write delet for breviti point that not microsofti sell reader product conflict ad philosophi usenet necessarili access info that smack that rememb poll that you quot that you had user satisfi do care recal unbias sampl set that post look fud and come microsofti not level advocaci good spread fud advoc your favorit uneth you vest interest success that tire peopl assum that microsofti member borg that action invit thi opinion never defens peopl life post encourag thi imho speak shame that techi employe heat for action perpetr manag and market that talent etc not doubt abil ethic market practic divya divya live long and die slow and horribl death confuciu want
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl uceng edu bferrel moth occ edu brett ferrel write articl microsoft jimfr microsoft jim franci write for fact that reason compani wrote app ibm paid for write app for paid advanc ibm can pai peopl for app onc that stop develop softwar compani don stai busi write app that won gener revenu fact that ibm pai for allow and stai busi app sell wordperfect borland lotu revenu get sale and plan write app you supris answer won into microsoft practic thread for you interest point that won disput prai you for fact don you provid insight into your sourc you that will accept for fact you gave your word even for fact you gain word you ly mon that you emploi competit you expect ask your sourc and give front not make claim brett sherron ferrel email bferrel uceng edu thi give you word name sourc that ibm paid compani write applic for satisfi mike
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	problem wallpap displai corrupt for bitmap problem wallpap desktop mode for bitmap file bigger slightli sometim depend exact dimens wallpap displai badli corrupt rest desktop fine for wallpap bitmap smaller thi problem friend bitmap problem displai bitmap cshow mode problem video card not fault can remedi thi system ram do window oak video card mode suppli driver window perman swap file repli mail and us address sig post softwar mangl address header mazz richard mazzaferri student uni newcastl mazz faceng newcastl edu australia
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support munch and edit point brett sherron ferrel write you interest point that won disput prai you for fact don you provid insight into your sourc you that will accept for fact you gave your word even mike timbol respond for fact you gain word you ly not ly feel hesit word can attribut sourc for thier claim fud and misinform and misconcept and outright li fly advocaci newsgroup not trust unsubstanti rumor claim employe ibm microsoft vest interest divya divya live long and die slow and horribl death confuciu want
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	bit rgb work bit rgb bmp file and comvert and bit imag convert bit imag and bit rgb imag
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	can chang font and size for system mode font size window menu window small can chang font and font size for window comput video card ati expert email answer grzheng vax concondia advanc guo rong zhehg concordia univ montreal canada
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	driver for card dear netter friend brought card ram driver for card ftp cite newest version interest driver for hicolor and true color such driver come card mok mok mail hkuxa hku dept chem univers hong kong
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	can talk window for workgroup system run talk network pc run window for workgroup act server wonder client access can run wfw net util do box talk wfw will lanman client talk wfw daze and confus tom haapanen tomh metric softwar metric inc waterloo ont stick your index finger into corner your mouth pull that corrado make you feel car januari
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	can talk window for workgroup tomh metric tom haapanen write can run wfw net util do box talk wfw will lanman client talk wfw articl found that peopl that lan server client can talk wfw thi true for lan manag don lan server and lan manag share common root daze and confus somewhat tom haapanen tomh metric softwar metric inc waterloo ont stick your index finger into corner your mouth pull that corrado make you feel car januari
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	mous newer microsoft mous driver newer for do window window freewar version mike
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support bjgrier bnr brian grier write thi long peopl life you haven convert your think you will not convert thi subject die quiet painful death thi start believ righteous capit offens you kill half net that isn such bad idea pete gontier technolog gurgl netcom
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	remap procomm window can remap special command kei procomm remap kei altgr and such combin plain dirti thi peopl settl for remap function kei don limit mattia
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	teacher for window search for two instructor for tutori advanc window program attend that good recommend email directli paller fedunix org don newsgroup advanc for alan paller tutori director
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	find diamond speedstar driver cica indiana edu driver current version
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	version unix editor for windoew pete holsberg pjh mccc edu wrote subject line look and look empti hand you pervert you pervert not cua power set command for separ clipboard and not ofor kind data window problem command keyboard shortcut quit fast keyboard and us finger digit us editor not want leav keyboard and us mous time special function menu us arrow kei that usual posit hand keyboard situat power and search editor for window bye for bad english
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	creat batch file window sasswb sasswb unx sa scott bass write for window altern archan fairli useless do batch program languag for ibm introduc rexx languag altern bat sure window thing lieu escap bat file and continu singl command across multipl line applic exit system and submit batch file batch file creat fly site specif code store applic design line length for store code and output file bat file charact not for option that command tremend didn redesign code kludg lack true batch shell program languag rest delet followup post add that not window window user excus ignor develop sa institut and compon applic that support abil submit sa batch job interact sa session user site can enter site specif batch profil into dataset product pathnam sa execut site specif sa option etc run time variabl resolv and resolv file written extern ascii file exit oper system and run job asynchron return interact session job submit batch job run concurr interact session design intern dataset record length charact run batch job command reinvok sa batch mode requir charact til thi not problem sinc job control shell languag til mv cm vm unix had escap and enter singl command across multipl line rexx languag standard gist thi sinc thi applic for end user not compani develop thi process nativ sinc post learn that parti compani that provid altern script languag for window window and compani that licens product us that altern script languag had can develop assumpt that come anoth post thi list subject for window that make awk and ksh microsoft toolkit that product separ product part window ksh count site last question heard that remot process capabl shove thi batch job server machin and run nativ command network specif command thi improv thi process you can comment command for scott bass sa institut inc integr system sa campu drive cari sasswb unx sa
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	deriv class object owl defin class deriv object class that insert into hashtabl class provid contain class librari defin pure virtual function object error attempt alloc hashentri object cannot creat instanc abstract class hashentri deriv class object left virtual function that defin object virtual classtyp isa const return hashentryclass virtual pchar nameof const return hashentri virtual hashvaluetyp hashvalu const return hashvalu hwindow note hwindow defin hashentri virtual int isequ const object obj const return thi hashentri obj virtual void printon rostream const hwindow void hwindow bowden wise comput scienc dept renssela polytechn inst troi internet wiseb rpi edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	question do extern join command set do unix box id and scsi drive and wonder us do join command set thing sinc won stick crap that do enforc mimic mount point unix filesystem heard that problem older version do leopard hyperion don work for hyperion live steeven vawter telephon svawter raynet work unix sy admin
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	deriv class object owl solv problem not understand happen th perhap you guru can explain thi for reason defin functin class definit file compil think pure virtual function not defin two separ sourc file and compil problem idea happen function that defin class construct inlin thi problem virtual int isequ const object obj const return thi hashentri obj virtual void printon rostream const hwindow void hwindow bowden wise comput scienc dept renssela polytechn inst troi internet wiseb rpi edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	deltapoint anim desktop hiya get anim desktop for window gift boyfriend couldn wait instal had advertis for and put list instal softwar didn load part softwar load even instal seemingli call deltapoint problem and ask twenti million question system conclud that had system that softwar incompat will give back wast time and energi folk support line nice extrem ignor work window experi instal learn function window dll file send back desktop anim decid fool version dll file had had version cpalett dll date and date and smaller smaller version suppli desktop anim move bigger older version cpalett dll directori path for reason had older cpalett dll window directori and newer cpallett window system directori thi anim editor load and applic packag main applic didn load idea thi occur suggest for troubl shoot darla portal darla shell portal darla cup portal aol kubi aol darlaiam aol wix darla geni kubi
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	strang messag start window recent acquir gatewai machin start window copyright statement flash screen logo disappear and programmanag take thi not happen machin and wonder whether thi featur whether thi relat problem machin system gatewai machin messag that copyright western digit corpor right reserv copyright congruent corpor right reserv copyright microsoft corpor right reserv autoexec bat file thi echo prompt set mous msmous msmous mous path do window app system winapp public set temp window temp winpkt ipx netx login login win config sy file thi devic window himem sy do high umb devic window emm ex noem stack file buffer shell do command appreci depart urban and region plan mail varkki uiuc edu univers illinoi urbana champaign tel
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl timbolc netcom timbol netcom mike timbol write thi give you word name sourc that ibm paid compani write applic for satisfi mike doesn subsid app develop rememb rpi receiv entir expens run machin develop for free and that small fry ted
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	deskjet laser printer copier paper work quit and cheaper hpspecial paper thoma smith youngstown state univers chemistri dept yfn ysu edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl sundaram msuinfo sundaram egr msu edu wrote jenk microsoft jen kilmer write delet for breviti point that not microsofti sell reader product conflict ad philosophi usenet necessarili access info that smack that rememb poll that you quot that you had user satisfi do care recal unbias sampl set that post look fud and come microsofti not level resel survei advocaci good spread fud advoc your favorit uneth you vest interest success that don recal fud exampl tire peopl assum that microsofti member borg that action invit thi opinion never defens peopl life post encourag thi imho for part thi newsgroup attack orient microsoft attack rang qualiti product intellig peopl integr busi etc defens baselessli attack human be you expect respons claim that employe feel unwarr level speak shame that techi employe heat for action perpetr manag and market that talent etc not doubt abil ethic market practic divya divya live long and die slow and horribl death confuciu want
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	displai stream output window owl and want displai output stream popup window perhap redirect cout window altern set separ stream that support output and displai stream output tedit control thi bowden wise comput scienc dept renssela polytechn inst troi internet wiseb rpi edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl dnp new claremont edu tlillei jarthur claremont edu ted write articl timbolc netcom timbol netcom mike timbol write thi give you word name sourc that ibm paid compani write applic for satisfi not queri you mean paid you impli that help offset develop cost paid for entir cost produc product mean paid compani that develop applic give you million dollar you port applic suppos compani question us million dollar for want you post figur for suppos ted not don exact figur and don want disclos thi will that jim franci microsoft post figur million payment ibm borland and that rang that heard mike
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl sundaram msuinfo sundaram egr msu edu divya sundaram write jenk microsoft jen kilmer write delet for breviti point that not microsofti sell reader product conflict ad philosophi usenet necessarili access info that smack that rememb poll that you quot that you had user satisfi do and anoth msdo team member post note that peopl not msdo team not necessarili that care recal unbias sampl set heard number wonder work product support and know that typic support caller posit product figur wasn wander market folk and ask and told survei regist user and post that net peopl ask figur that post look fud and come microsofti not level hmm figur chuck post number not includ find interest that postit info fear uncertainti doubt advocaci good spread fud advoc your favorit uneth you vest interest success that you confus don pretend that msdo peopl that os includ unix don provid and featur don push peopl us msdo even post comp msdo misc that suggest wait instal esp you troubl support overload releas sale total bomb tire peopl assum that microsofti member borg that action invit thi opinion never defens peopl life ain don defens sometim you msdo get respect microsoft mean aren cut dough cooki cutter don alik yeah chuckst and insid info msdo doesn mean that speak shame that techi employe heat for action perpetr manag and market that talent etc not doubt abil ethic market practic jen includ stdisclaim jenk microsoft msdo test
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl microsoft kenk microsoft ken kiesow write articl sundaram msuinfo sundaram egr msu edu wrote smack that rememb poll that you quot that you had user satisfi do care recal unbias sampl set that post look fud and come microsofti not level resel survei had post that survei regist user doubl check friendli neighborhood market type and found two survei randomli select resel randomli select user upgrad regist user databas survei show posit rate jen includ stdisclaim jenk microsoft msdo test
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	hot kei for screen saver hot kei for window screen saver util not easi creat reason that that dad compani anal retent leav comput inform can access employe not allow walk comput screen saver kick that terribl secur system manag won softwar ad anoth program such lock zip cica screen saver for and chri putnam blue devil lover heart euphonium bariton star
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support previou articl jenk microsoft jen kilmer wrote had post that survei regist user doubl check friendli neighborhood market type and found two survei randomli select resel randomli select user upgrad regist user databas survei show posit rate jen includ stdisclaim jenk microsoft msdo test translat not satisfi don awkward recurs delet that bug peopl isn nice window interfac for do accessori cpav defrag undelet notic doublespac crash frankli fairli high rate doublespac crash heard surpris figur that sinc awar doublespac like crash unlik stacker fool gullibl do awar doublespac isn good job do and do good for user bewar doublespac rob rmohn vax clarku edu rob mohn annoi rush limbaugh for
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	understand that true type font window load prior start window thi make get into window quit slow you hundr correct thi think secondli that case can you window ignor boot and make pif file load you enter applic that font idea chri origin chri doell fidonet org
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support for part thi newsgroup attack orient microsoft attack rang qualiti product intellig peopl integr busi etc defens baselessli attack human be you expect respons claim that employe feel unwarr level ignor attack and sale number and stock price you gratif great job you past thx dave
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	suggest for winforwg redirect need find softwar that will port redirect window for workgroup can make suggest reccommend hate write driver for serial port that support network that step advanc bkv
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	mous system driver for mous control do window such anim mous system trackbal and driver for thi devic that us mous do window microsoft mous driver work chri chri shenefiel not repres compani shape form thi forum opinion comment repres opinion compani opinion comment even merit consider kind
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	prevent ctl alt del window prevent window user ctl alt del window point direct advanc mike glynn mike glynn busi gatech edu mike glynn stolen sig follow hot rodder complet internet prism gatech edu baffl peopl not into car
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support mike dahmu mike schleppo bocaraton ibm wrote lot common written you gui thing that made success win workplac shell previou version ibm work win ibm work you make laugh write coupl thousand line code make window compat your dpmi implement not make rest window ibm work serg
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support bferrel cicada occ edu brett ferrel write articl microsoft jenk microsoft jen kilm write found two survei randomli select resel randomli select user upgrad regist user databas survei show posit rate jen power and associ survei anonym ftp site pick sucker believ releas survei result product assum that result survei honest result extrem dissatisfact product stop bui do sux not fair that rel peopl decid purchas inclin love peopl expect and not disappoint mean nice that peopl bought happi and import for and don disput accuraci hate peopl extrapol that popul that do comput revolut statist shut peopl and add microscop weight argument you automak chrysler random chrysler conduct survei theori peopl that convinc that point maintain long true focu thi compani inform monei and inform technolog for expedi end bill gate drop colleg couldn afford time wsj couldn wait us knew and make monei bill gate answer thi question highli interest await can stomach bill declar visionari and opportun build cult and sell do and windoz main stai kenton cmu edu fix broken window
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support mfischer ucsd edu mike fischer write you miss main point capit place competit breed excel commod concern imagin that capitalist theorist had softwar mind wrote grand treatis main point capit product pete gontier technolog gurgl netcom
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	disk imag question recent notic directori name diskimag disk didn notic and instal applic imag disk creat win automat creat backup file couldn find document diskimag util imag disk take lot disk space thi peopl instal win backup mechan anib anib mayorga wenark mayorga ci udel edu newark
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	upgrad window appeal net wizard for bit advic gener descript machin follow motherboard utron mhz opti chipset meg memori cach hope drop chip into fahrenheit video meg proaudio spectrum sound board primari disk connor cach id control secondari disk conner slave control tertiari disk fujitsu meg superstor esdi control plan futur disk includ scsi and rom pa scsi port tape drive colorado jumbo floppi control futur tape drive dat scsi interfac hardwar includ modem fax serial port and teletext board ugli do softwar drive applic us includ normal window stuff excel word quicken and turbo pascal window import stuff audio work environ includ turtl beach wave for window mc stereo and misc stuff for dink audio file us stacker primari drive newwav for wife us and won rid and product call infinit disk chili pepper softwar for hierarch storag manag seldom us offlin file plan upgrad becom releas product stongli tempt becom beta user earli don time mess hassl beta softwar expect bui tear shrink wrap and us hassl unrealist can hope can work advic want concern state devic driver and hardwar specif stuff gener smoothli can expect upgrad can expect support for stuff scrambl download driver pa orchid colorado bb etc step ensur instal smoothli note that want nuke do total system allerg command line plan run pure system will commun workgroup lan stacker stacker disk drive stacker and infinit disk product will great difficulti fit system cramp realiz stacker will incompat will version will support compress do infinit disk will incompat will offer compar product for and cost perhap chili pepper that question can live not will run do app teletext board do system feedback advic includ forget good reason appreci signific reason for move multitask environ window reason wave lock machin for hour and hour dsp process larg audio file and want lan support internet access etc solut and hear statu dai pl respond email and interest summar for net nathan gregori psilink
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	prevent ctl alt del window articl hydra gatech edu prism gatech edu glynn mike write prevent window user ctl alt del window point direct advanc mike glynn you you want that win app lock for reason ctrl alt del kill app and back window grant doesn work that come handi occas pretti carefulli disabl that keystrok thought you talk for hour ahead spin doctor domin drohan electron data system ed email drohand cad gmed note view and opinion express mine and not reflect ed
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl sundaram msuinfo sundaram egr msu edu divya sundaram write jenk microsoft jen kilmer write delet for breviti point that not microsofti sell reader product conflict ad philosophi usenet necessarili access info that smack that rememb poll that you quot that you had user satisfi do care recal unbias sampl set that post look fud and come microsofti not level recal jen front sampl set deriv fud advocaci good spread fud advoc your favorit uneth you vest interest success that thi mean can flame you you face advocaci group for kind thing that you preach thi creat place filter crap newsgroup that real inform phil noth post shape form offici microsoft polici opinion and not repres such quot forum philipla microsoft
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	mous jumpi mous origin post subject mous jumpi mous microsoft serial mous and mous switch vertic motion nice and smooth horizont motion bad sometim can click mous jump can move mous rel uniform motion and mous will move smoothli for bit jump move smoothli for bit jump thi time left inch thi crazi never had troubl mous solut aha found problem and isn dirt anoth gui kind mous and video driver default vga for window localbu card and load video driver window for mous jumpi driver newer version that solv thi problem bad us keyboard sometim zip cica version version that card sean eckton comput support repres colleg fine art and commun hfac brigham young univers provo hfac csr byu edu eckton uc byu edu
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	upgrad window articl psilink nathan gregori psilink appeal net wizard for bit advic thi sound good question hardwar specif gener respond new and not mail alot peopl want read repli includ mike packard aplcomm jhuapl edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl dil admin mh unc edu dave laudicina write ignor attack and sale number and stock price you gratif great job you past thx dave thi part that get set make monei thing consid and debat that purpos life you will stock price and sale number for gratif you end japanes that competit ow your busi short sight imo thi irrespons narrow mind and selfish henceforth ignor attack not approach matter fact happen willing debat and readjust greatest asset thi societi sale number and stock price short term result not
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	ep clip art sale mailord price librari cost two thousand dollar mail order genuin high qualiti ep vector graphic not scan silli ep wrapper totem graphic color ep librari color ep imag thi cost thousand buck mailord rate thi clip art high qualiti dynam graphic clip art sotmc clip art etc opinion rate librari and librari higher totem art color color librari opinion graphic librari haven count imag you can purchas librari floppi give you idea size thi cost hundr buck mailord rate thi clip art high qualiti graphic librari popular mac mag thi cost hundr buck mailord rate thi clip art high qualiti award major mac mag forgot imag color for worth save multipl file format readabl mac and addition totem will mount nativ easili mount mac filesystem person test machin own machin sold month ago opinion and librari busi and lot totem opinion color librari color art want for can ship certifi check visa charg you pai visa ship pre paid continent ship buyer pai freight and fee reason for sell longer dtp busi respond email telephon rare check new group nevin email npratt glacier sim voic
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	multipl printer print manag articl lanc lanc lancea actrix gen lanc lancea actrix gen lanc andrew write print manag deal multipl printer plan print two printer applic will real printer and fax program will print manag deal job time will feed printer onc research carefulli fax modem behav printer local machin doesn guarante function local machin fax softwar print remot instal fax card thi workgroup and fax softwar didn winfax peculiar don lot special hardwar interact take place intern case fax manag program intercept print job and spool directori not print manag spool directori softwar appear job print print manag plai part handl actual process pardon incorrectli assum thi you trueli network awar fax modem will like requir lot weird setup and tinker good luck
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	diamond stealth articl charm magnu ac ohio state edu vromanel magnu ac ohio state edu vincent romanelli write recent purchas diamond stealth isa graphic acceler card base posit review steve gibson infoworld fast find window driver extrem buggi despit implement diamond technic support suggest experi thi card feedback appreci had lot problem beliv latest driver for occas fire window work great you find newer driver pointer locat paul
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	monitor for window alwin hoogerdijk alwin zen tudelft wrote julio botelho hlbb julio botelho write whether not monitor work microsoft window taxan multi vision and nec thi work vga and hercul card system two vga card system will never work that two us tandem system thi except vga mono dual monitor combo that heard thi jim jame mcnamara member technic staff tasc walker brook drive read
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	vbrun dll marion humboldt kent edu lou marion write can point direct thi file lou marion dept geographi kent state univers marion humboldt kent edu thi not rec humor cica pub win index opinion express jl antar larc nasa gov jon sweet
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	vbrun dll can point direct thi file come visual basic version vbrun dll thx dave
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	ad icon progman ex florian piekert floppi link escap wrote can write add icon iconlist build into progman ex grate for clue and nice dai us program call iconmast sharewar and you can mail and post you matthew simpkin kingston univers primit race you kingston comput scienc asimil
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	solut multi setup standalon easi peter goudswaard goudswaa fraser sfu wrote setup delet final order run your specif version window you simpli chang path includ winmastr and your specif configur path winwif you fanci and us batch file environ variabl menu system thi stuff delet you happen run msdo you us multi setup provid menu menu choic for each person machin power select your name menu will us your person section config sy and autoexec bat set path run your window copi ron temp intel view
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support thi part that get set make monei thing consid and debat that purpos life not stock price and sale product measur success can measur short term long term success case good measur long term success origin post mention thi group that larg number peopl attack and not will accept posit make point that attack emphas and sale product stori larg number attack debat you call highli technic real world peopl don want grep and auck and want push button and job price piec hardwar that not comput smart gui load configur etc etc not and multitud busi applic that exist run window thi and run load complet suit window applic administr busi function novel network run softwar server job quit and had pick window repeat you you great job flame thx dave
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	bit access gatewai csn can duse bit access
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	floorplan layout program articl chemic watstar uwaterloo gmill chemic watstar uwaterloo phil trodwel write desper seek prefer sharewar program assist architectur layout hous floorplan thi exist basic cad program mail don new expir advanc phil trodwel visio run window not sharewar gari williamson aka wwilliam polari orl mmc orlando florida
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	head head win and hear endless debat read name call do and window and final enought resours plai coupl oper system decid put two product head head test fellow newspost suggest desir whatsoev us version wont run window app will not run window app enhans mode that larger window app requir suppos beta test suppos heard that beta ftp and wonder knew obtain copi inform onc and for establish for for robbi shererrg sfasu edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	odd mous behavior cowork odd problem mous work fine do applic you load prompt window mous pointer present not move even you load do app window mous doesn work comput zeo diamond speedstar vga run do and window mous driver microsoft switch mous mous reinstal mous drv and can blame thing work differ system and mine mous work perfectli that expans card addit parallel and serial port that problem advanc for carl fink carlf panix fink geni you can laugh you can bet that johnston
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	hot kei for screen saver renam screensav scr ex and run ppost haven chang win ini effect show setup dialog box butdoesn enabl saver mickei
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	question do extern join command articl srg spud hyperion author write set do unix box id and scsi drive and wonder us do join command set thing sinc won stick crap that do enforc mimic mount point unix filesystem heard that problem older version do join command for year good success duplic unix style file mount you will hear lot peopl curs join confus do append command trueli gnarli hack don you will hear peopl that microsoft recommend that you not us join microsoft window workgroup resourc toolkit appear join do util work fine window for workgroup you not chang state join drive window for workgroup session thi includ ad remov join drive window for workgroup recommend that you not us join run window setup window for workgroup thi caveat join appear valid window found coupl applic that don deal filesystem that mount join worst offend word for window get confus you edit and save file join drive creat save file nnnnn tmp current dir delet file and renam nnnnn tmp file doc file wfw write nnnnn tmp file idiot place current directori root dir join filesystem not delet origin doc file can find nnnnn tmp file renam you search your disk system document found subtl problem mk toolkit do box join filesystem present us join temp meg ramdisk mk sometim get confus temp dir and miss file temp dir thi difficult reproduc total join not us thi window problem mk sinc work raw do suggest that you can us join awar that not robust you wouldn real great mount network drive main file tree darn drive letter join won you talk net simpl patch join work network drive don rememb sourc bad join command not implement sinc avoid stupid drive letter realiz that messdo meant for casual even ignor user mount drive file tree confus carri thi into window anoth meant for casual even igor user not famili system baggag recoveri group can life jerom jerri schneider domain jl atg aspen technolog group uunet csn atglab jl box collin voic
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	plai midi music ati stereo sound card run window enhanc mode sound card ati stereo sound card claim adlib and soundblast compat window mediaplay can plai midi file that sound card can plai midi file that belong winjamm midi editor that ftp cica can plai midi file gener muzika cica plai file dialog box pop that music not plai and checkbox ask disabl thi messag futur thi normal set wrong write music muzika and comput plai ftp game dare dream for window cica and music won plai dialog box midi mapper that ati ext midi ati opl midi and vanilla suggest shoulder cry etc appreci john john punshon punshon usask
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	hot kei for switch program manag win assign hot kei for program item program manag program manag assign regard ak ak knutsson email knut tt lth dept commun system uunet tt lth knut lund institut technolog sweden fax
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl klaava helsinki jliukkon klaava helsinki juha matti liukkonen write pose question do user access net find thi featur your suggest impli that microsoft reli sharewar product fill gap do misunderstand your statement sharewar net magazin distributor club friend and bulletin board don peopl problem get hold fill gap do for peopl do servic run window top btw window oper system disk oper system that do can access nf thoma beagl thoma datamark work technic writer thoma cavebb welli gen home wellington long ear make good handl
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support lot stuff delet felt thi bash lost humor peopl post forget that user product not even internet and unix that unfriendli place bizzar abrevi replac comfort abrevi and abrevi subtl differ vendor user tend custom window setup can not command line comput user world product symbol qualiti made life easier and product and that qualiti not care innov thing make life comput heck lot easier you comput user thi world that will not chang percept face unix come decent gui that variat unix will not catch mainstream comput user net not mainstream comput user brian disclaim opinion express mine not bnr brian user develop want comput plai game bell northern research bui amiga research triangl park real work lost
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	winfax file ascii format zhao sparta nmsu edu zhao nmsu edu zhao write winfax softwar receiv send fax pc work pretti problem that receiv file bit map format lot space told program that can pattern recognit raster charact fax file and translat into ascii code store file ascii format you whether not such softwar packag such translat can find such softwar packag public domain version winfax you newest version ocr optic charact recognit built thi mean that can fax letter and convert into ascii that can edit document type found that ocr that come packag winfax not work omnipag profession delrina softwar onc winfax ver you for good luck regard zizi
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	window commun proagram articl lee sea ucla edu victorf wright sea ucla edu victor friedman write can exactli window port can run singl commun program window procomm quicklink commo respond modem command connect final establish manag vick victorf sea ucla edu thi trickiest problem win person run telix for do window fine and wait for win version froever admit except rule instal do comm prog friend machin big problem stuff you lookout for run prog pif never call ex pif toggl lock applic memori thi point readm wri file and critic for download ctrl panel enh and check for your port alwai warn will debug thi thing and healthier check run mous port check port address your bio setup and ctrl panel port setup advanc problem and bui procomm win hope help costa malama georgia institut technolog oit oit doesn pai share opinion internet ccastco prism gatech edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	head head win and articl ccsvax sfasu edu shererrg ccsvax sfasu edu write hear endless debat read name call do and window and final enought resours plai coupl oper system decid put two product head head test fellow newspost suggest desir whatsoev us version wont run window app will not run window app enhans mode that larger window app requir suppos beta test suppos heard that beta ftp and wonder knew obtain copi inform onc and for establish for for don question will run window app import question will subsequ version continu run app subsequ window version futur can will futur run window app ol complex and sign thing come thi fall ibm longer right view microsoft code that maintain sort compat revers engin you want revers engin ol applic john grant jagrant emr emr airborn geophys geolog survei canada ottawa
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl igc feenix metronet jack feenix metronet jack hudler write impact ito ibm that left employe base deadbeat suspect quarter boi you silli coupl week brett sherron ferrel email bferrel uceng edu cinci catch cat colleg engin you can
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	microsoft bb number can microsoft bb number that do upgrad manual that number never answer call email
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	solut multi setup standalon easi rhudson gomez intel ron hudson write peter goudswaard goudswaa fraser sfu wrote setup delet final order run your specif version window you simpli chang path includ winmastr and your specif configur path winwif you fanci and us batch file environ variabl menu system thi stuff delet you happen run msdo you us multi setup provid menu menu choic for each person machin power select your name menu will us your person section config sy and autoexec bat set path run your window copi ron excel suggest ron and comment do you decid instal window standalon configur complet directori your hard drive and us do jump specif copi for each user you save meg disk space you us setup and techniqu peter goudswaard goudswaa sfu prefer pgoudswa cln etc pgoudswa cue gift present goudswaard observ
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	card problem post messag time ago ask mous jumpi and doesn mous video driver that week ago help gui instal driver for video card for window had normal window default vga driver don kind mous mine microsoft serial and brand serial mous mous work fine instal driver system mous jumpi can high resolut sinc displai lot stuff screen ami pro pegasu mail for window offic nondisclosur and alot notic driver ftp cica version that and sean eckton comput support repres colleg fine art and commun hfac brigham young univers provo hfac csr byu edu eckton uc byu edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	hot kei for screen saver articl sea gwu edu lourai sea gwu edu michael panayiotaki write renam screensav scr ex and run ppost haven chang win ini effect show setup dialog box butdoesn enabl saver mickei start renam saver vid commandlin option frank
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl klaava helsinki jliukkon klaava helsinki juha matti liukkonen write pose question do user access net find thi featur your suggest impli that microsoft reli sharewar product fill gap do misunderstand your statement call free enterpr system suggest that enhanc do sell give microsoft can period
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl uceng edu bferrel cicada occ edu brett ferrel write articl igc feenix metronet jack feenix metronet jack hudler write impact ito ibm that left employe base deadbeat suspect quarter boi you silli coupl week perhap
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	head head win and articl ccsvax sfasu edu shererrg ccsvax sfasu edu write hear endless debat read name call do and window and final enought resours plai coupl oper system decid put two product head head test fellow newspost suggest desir whatsoev us version wont run window app will not run window app enhans mode that larger window app requir suppos beta test suppos heard that beta ftp and wonder knew obtain copi inform onc and for establish for for robbi shererrg sfasu edu you wait you will bui sinc will releas comdex that dai will run window app and window enh mode you can wait you can ftp month beta version ftp nmsu edu thi version lot slower final product you your test mind that singl task system will faster task real power li multitask and can measur stopwatch happi benchmark han whale atlant and peopl faro island coexist perfect harmoni for last year matter urban navel contampl real relat coher natur
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	head head win and articl emr emr jagrant emr emr john grant write don question will run window app import question will subsequ version continu run app subsequ window version futur john grant jagrant emr emr airborn geophys geolog survei canada ottawa import question will app don load window futur and question futur will will window run app regard han whale atlant and peopl faro island coexist perfect harmoni for last year matter urban navel contampl real relat coher natur
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	head head win and you compar appl and orang disput that big featur question individu power sale window answer that question question even want run and had thi big monster machin run divers set applic run that productvi work your local comput store answer thi comparison you thi battl line will drawn window won singl user war will client server war and entri unix and netwar grant will eventu scale attract singl user and that will phase war win marketplac will fun watch and argu tho thx dave
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	memori absolut memori locat window hardwar that memori map high address and repli email david
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	data segment and memori model usag phjm you wrote firstli window enhanc mode special dll that compil larg memori model told that even enhanc mode window will load dll into real memori below and page lock second question relat static data insid dll multipl instanc static data segment dgroup you can alloc real static data code segment you dynam memori you can alloc data global heap you can forget written memori manag you page virtual memori you can lock block hamper memori manag you can us pointer everytim lock unlock memori block dll disguis ex that happen call anoth task karl karl geitz hauptstr salzgitt kwgeitz link escap tel fax ci bix geitzkwg crosspoint
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl samba oit unc edu dil admin mh unc edu dave laudicina write larg number attack debat you call highli technic real world peopl don want grep and auck and want push button and you mean grep unix case depend and awk you auck mark
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	demonstr creation program want articl martijn lemmen write for program toolkit creat demonstr fast demonstr mean collect screen that demonstr make choic press button chang screen hypertext each screen will question text bitmap and answer button plai music and show anim film heard anim pro and visual basic don can autodesk anim good tool show partner you want give copi you lot advertis let you creat graphic resolut and text frame run film you can make choic and includ music guess that you you interest email vick victor friedman victorf sea ucla edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	mac disk window articl uupcb hal scott lynn hal scott lynn write alot graphic design work and remain loyal do window mac colleg isn and can scan imag macintosh program that can read mac disk appl file exchang nac that write do disk leav visibl older session want transfer window macse zip ftp cica indiana edu suppos read and write mac disk never good luck callison whale usm edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	your challeng support haven wast bandwidth thi silli discuss flame saniti prevail richard maclennan
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	mac disk window macse zip ftp cica indiana edu suppos read and write mac disk never good luck can that work doesn read disk read program that read disk
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl new rich bnr bjgrier bnr brian grier write peopl post forget that user product not even internet and unix that unfriendli place bizzar abrevi replac comfort abrevi and abrevi subtl differ vendor user tend custom window setup can not command line you can custom command line interfac you can chang prompt can make alias us can type do machin and directori list and unix don command line interfac throw and csh bash ksh etc comput user world product symbol qualiti made life easier and product and that qualiti not care innov thing make life comput heck lot easier you comput user thi world that will not chang percept thi true face unix come decent gui that variat unix will not catch mainstream comput user net not mainstream comput user decent gui for variat unix lesse motif stuff mit twm come mind pretti standard heck xwindow program run like end user manipul actual window mous and sinc gui graphic and bit easier figur window peopl press throat for time thing fear that will gap normal user run window flavor and power user run unix and advanc os do pretti king can bring copi latest whiz bang program demo friend hous and sinc run do can enjoi agrier gomper gomper edu tfinn crash ct prefer
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	creat batch file window sasswb sasswb unx sa scott bass write anoth post thi list subject for window that make awk and ksh microsoft toolkit that product separ product part window ksh count site imagin that mk toolkit mortic kern system anoth parti add and good nick langmaid nick brimbank apana org melbourn australia
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	sdk ddk microsoft window devic driver kit ddk document blurb state that user separ acquir microsoft window softwar develop kit sdk contain window tool build driver borland applic framework thi copi microsoft press programm refer librari book come sdk and microsoft macro assembl sdk neccessari for develop virtual devic driver steven murrai post behalf brian davi
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl feenix metronet jack feenix metronet jack hudler write articl twall ncc demon twall ncc demon tim wall write don want run blast window time want delet tree absolut ludicr load hog that delet file requir crane chang tyre car don you download som public domain util exactli you want shut thi sort thing includ million peopl don access librari network peopl can work doesn mean that shouldn remedi situat mark
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	stop messag receiv run window applic menu run window mhz meg memori motherboard meg and ad meg thi past weekend simm had instal applic menu do command park till todai park disk applic menu problem attempt park head todai receiv messag stop thi applic violat system integr due invalid gener protect fault and will termin thi messag mean david trolio detrolio andromeda rutger edu unit state can increas revenu punish penal obtain person and econom achiev
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	problem winqvt net and do winqvt net win do for quit problem recent instal do and cannot run winqvt net get packet receiv for invalid port reset messag consol window can telnet window and can us ftp suggest greatli appreci georg kontoravdi condor ccwf utexa edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	heard deltre brandon wise bwise nyx edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support long bash typographi csympc sc leed conmi write unix case depend unix case depend pete gontier technolog gurgl netcom microsoft window put lipstick chicken
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	hot kei for screen saver lourai sea gwu edu michael panayiotaki write renam screensav scr ex and run ppost haven chang win ini effect show setup dialog box butdoesn enabl saver mickei ex for save screen for config default question not tree fall forest and see hear fall koala can that tree tim cpsg tim fox softwar pty acn cato street east hawthorn fax victoria australia acsnet tim cpsg question not tree fall forest and see
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	mac disk window articl efv binklei mcgill gel binklei mcgill gill khouzam write macse zip ftp cica indiana edu suppos read and write mac disk never good luck can that work doesn read disk read program that read disk not that thi due mac write disk sector set that can read thi hardwar problem softwar cannot correct hope thi help and correct wrong
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl gp leed csympc sc leed conmi write articl feenix metronet jack feenix metronet jack hudler write articl twall ncc demon twall ncc demon tim wall write don want run blast window time want delet tree absolut ludicr load hog that delet file requir crane chang tyre car don you download som public domain util exactli you want shut thi sort thing includ million peopl don access librari network peopl can work doesn mean that shouldn remedi situat perfectli valid point and agre glad start remedi thi situat do and will futur releas you awar histori mid late point view that world and do phase such resourc for do and window for that matter develop redirect theori resourc do support peopl start util and such for do fell waysid window hit market flop futur cloudi and peopl stai do and app move window that point time made decis drop for do window short term and window long term do improv do and result refocuss do and window version take thing somewhat and suspect futur version will offer even term real featur work and real clue cowork dosland that heck lot year ago dave opinion you want opinion person
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	tabl and hplj printer set larg page tabl word for window ask word print laserjet work fine edit tabl content not structur output request kick into manual feed mode for document contain tabl document tabl print correctli and chang document long tabl us paper drawer kick into manual feed mode obviou printer manag replac hppcl file archiv version for and peter peter palij internet pbp columbia edu columbia univers graduat school busi uri hall york
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	tiff file viewer need file viewer for bit tiff imag run window matter altern packag run server top window budget for thi limit end public domain inexpens advanc for john chapman sfu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	tiff file viewer need articl sfu chapman sfu john chapman write file viewer for bit tiff imag run window matter altern packag run server top window budget for thi limit end public domain inexpens advanc for john chapman sfu paintshop pro for window fantast product can handl tiff gif bmp pcx and format displai and convert sharewar version program assum window area standard anonym ftp locat ftp cica indiana edu log ftp us your usernam password and for program call psp ex that regist version and major differ can detect that unregist version pop messag you start program ask you regist onc fantast softwar bit huge imag brian brian kasper aka prison hovercraft full eel aerospac corpor internet kasper aerospac aero org
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	mac disk window agf agat berkelei edu miyamoto ucse berkelei edu carleton miyamoto write articl efv binklei mcgill gel binklei mcgill gill khouzam write macse zip ftp cica indiana edu suppos read and write mac disk never good luck can that work doesn read disk read program that read disk not that thi due mac write disk sector set that can read thi hardwar problem softwar cannot correct hope thi help and correct wrong you you cannot read write mac appl disk appl disk extra hardwar mac disk can read and written drive softwar thi ad and mac faq file get ask
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	chameleon nf card compat ethernet card and receiv copi chameleon nf not compat latest version number for chameleon nf soemon tackl thi problem for popineau mail popineau es metz popineau loria voic mail surfac mail ecol superieur electricit rue edouard belin metz cedex franc
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support mike schleppo bocaraton ibm mike dahmu write microsoft jimfr microsoft jim franci write note work for for past year develop for past technic superior window that make monei per copi sold ibm and wrote differ and had half memori requir quicker even half memori stabl and thing ibm lot common written you gui thing that made success win workplac shell previou version ibm work wrote technic accur red her bit that sell product weren written you don forget seamless win app couldn wlo ibm manag tom hatton hatton cgl ucsf edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support win ibm work you make laugh write coupl thousand line code make window compat your dpmi implement not make rest window ibm work don brag come dpmi consist hobgoblin etc suppos tom hatton hatton cgl ucsf edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	hot kei for switch program manag articl lth knut tt lth ak knutsson win assign hot kei for program item program manag program manag assign put progman hotkei your startup group
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support lot common written you gui thing that made success win workplac shell previou version ibm work ibm that wrote window code
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	scan can thi instal version mcafre anti viru program and scan entir hard disk messag can open xxxx for coupl file includ wscan ex thi didn happen previou version friend machin thankx
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	window exit problem problem window program sometim save set program manag system corrupt grp file and progman ex can open start for answer chrobert
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	irish gaelic truetyp font synopsi repli irish gaelic truetyp font want synopsi wrote can can find window truetyp font that will give charact us write irish gaelic style for exampl thi font letter horizont bar sit top and letter horizont bar sit top respond question had luck get such font and lot peopl interest gete and decid creat truetyp font fit that descript thi font base that us issu dineen dictionari and typic that found irish book earli part centuri thi time limit spare time make interest readi respons receiv summeris below kevin donnelli caoimhin smo mention that michael everson everson irlearn ucd had develop clo gaelach font for macintosh and advis contact michael and told that font for macintosh and that will eventu port that will charg for each pbryant ukelel gcr mention that two font that nice irish gaelic durrow and american uncial normal don you can don that effect for final rhiannon netcom rhia mention that meath font includ casadi green fluent laser font packag describ fax casadi green for info repli that post newsgroup make font colum twomei
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	diamond window conflict problem diamond stealth local bu graphic card start window system stop and displai free file handl cannot load command system halt perhap bio setup problem not us ami bio setup can explain setup shadow video rom shadow rom and config two advenc setup for utilis graphic card for answer robert
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	sharewar rogram that list sharewar and public domain program for window cica ftp site year list author made sound list updat month updat compil similar list individu suggest sharewar public domain program interest good softwar categori and includ ftp site and exact file name your post sam siockman leland stanford edu will good david broza
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	want hypertext alik for win fact for possibl connect peac inform window system and don want program such system effort and afford small advanc thoma
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	mac disk window articl efv binklei mcgill gel binklei mcgill gill khouzam write macse zip ftp cica indiana edu suppos read and write mac disk never good luck can that work doesn read disk read program that read disk you can that don work inabl read mac disk not problem hardwar limmit pc post program read mac disk come watchamacalit memori fale card you drop into port don rememb specif tho peac mickei
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support brian grier bjgrier bnr wrote comput user world product symbol qualiti made life easier and product and that qualiti not care innov thing make life comput heck lot easier you comput user thi world that will not chang percept thi fact that msw object inferior competit begun learn life that mass never choos option choos condit glad not kurt bollack duke univers medic center kdb sunbar duke edu durham
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl microsoft cliffga microsoft clifford garrett write lot common written you gui thing that made success win workplac shell previou version ibm work ibm that wrote window code isn thi point window windoz brett sherron ferrel email bferrel uceng edu cinci catch cat colleg engin you can
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	word for window problem us equat editor word for window coupl error messag line can find font extra for default printer charact not displai print instal equat editor reinstal printer similar for font fenc font system unabl us solut avail had similar problem and found fix thi urgent requir jason cleev cleev ieee org comp sci hon elect eng trobe univers australia email cleev lucif latrob edu jason cleev cleev ieee org comp sci hon elect eng trobe univers australia email cleev lucif latrob edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	mac disk window articl uupcb hal scott lynn hal scott lynn write alot graphic design work and remain loyal do window mac colleg isn and can scan imag macintosh program that can read mac disk appl file exchang nac that write do disk leav visibl older session want transfer window info want window program will gleefulli settl for do program call mac ett you read mac high densiti disk do machin you can program simtel not directori locat jim powlesland internet powlesla ac ucalgari academ comput servic voic univers calgari messag calgari alberta canada fax
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl new duke edu kdb sunbar duke edu kurt bollack write thi fact that msw object inferior competit you mean that msw object inferior respect trivial true that object inferior respecet trivial fals you mean criteria you chosen for your object asses you that criteria object begun learn life that mass never choos option choos condit glad not comment
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	word for window problem articl lugb latrob edu cleev lucif latrob edu jason cleev write us equat editor word for window coupl error messag line can find font extra for default printer charact not displai print instal equat editor reinstal printer similar for font fenc font system unabl us solut avail had similar problem and found fix thi urgent requir back congratul you discov nasti and frequent ecount bug word setup program onc you wrong quit easi fix into font dialog control panel and select two font extra and fenc delet delet list entri not disk file select add and add font extra plain and fenc plain close font box close control panel and restart word alright microsoft fix thi thing frequent report daniel silevitch dmsilev athena mit edu massachusett institut technolog
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	logic backup back hard drive sinc had instal scratch crash learn hard didn window base backup program norton and began wonder logic thi accident delet file can archiv disk crash not start window run backup program note crash mean error messag that prevent machin boot properli gave earli didn time patienc tool figur exactli problem hard drive need clean yeah thi scenario complic fact that stacker possibl disk crash instal do and window backup program work wrong easi make mirror hard disk that can easili restor state scratch poll open tom ioerger univeristi illinoi grad student ioerger uiuc edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support new duke edu kdb sunbar duke edu kurt bollack write brian grier bjgrier bnr wrote comput user world product symbol qualiti made life easier and product and that qualiti not care innov thing make life comput heck lot easier you comput user thi world that will not chang percept thi fact that msw object inferior competit thi true prefer window microsoft window do wolfgang strobl wolfgang strobl gmd gmd gesellschaft fuer mathematik und datenverarbeitung mbh schloss birlinghoven box includ sankt augustin germani std disclaim hpp
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support brian grier bjgrier bnr wrote comput user world product symbol qualiti made life easier and product and that qualiti not care innov thing make life comput heck lot easier you comput user thi world that will not chang percept excus you peopl enjoi work win come talk hous mate mine and product life encount anoth sudden appear do prompt cut and past win empti win screen task run esc bring empti list progman leo klingon starboard bow leo mekenkamp scrape jim klikspaanweg leiden netherland mekenkamp stpc leidenuniv leo sthp leidenuniv
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	head head win and thi fall ibm longer right view microsoft code that maintain sort compat revers engin you want revers engin ol applic don retain window oem statu that sourc code and sinc window head win win slmr file bank bb pcboard usr hst node rime internet largest clipper file collect world
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	mac disk window articl sea gwu edu lourai sea gwu edu michael panayiotaki write articl efv binklei mcgill gel binklei mcgill gill khouzam write macse zip ftp cica indiana edu suppos read and write mac disk never good luck can that work doesn read disk read program that read disk you can that don work inabl read mac disk not problem hardwar limmit pc post program read mac disk come watchamacalit memori fale card you drop into port don rememb specif tho peac mickei drive mac and disk spin constant rpm mac disk drive spin rate disk vari that track pass head constant speed slower rotat for outer track and faster rotat for track special control hardwar make thi happen brian casei bnc macsch
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	logic backup newer version norton backup for window emerg disk will you restor tape reinstal do window understand sort cumbersom us not reinstal steven mcclunei remain silent and sam chensun tamu edu thought fool speak and remov doubt can speak for
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	head head win and articl samba oit unc edu dil admin mh unc edu dave laudicina write question question even want run and had thi big monster machin run divers you deliberatli overst requir for that multi thread true multitask and take place do and window and requir for reasoabl that window meg ram and meg hard drive space beat head wall legitim requir for fact requir for window and equal natur progress thing for govern gain ground and for liberti yield thoma jefferson brad keplei keplei photon phy unca edu voic dai
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	mac disk window technolog appl disk ibm read special hardwar disk work alik ibm can read disk andi
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	head head win and wait for june roll can hand solari unix for intel chip that unix possibl thi includ wabi window api binari interfac technolog that wil run window app straight outta box thi fli enhanc mode anoth contend for corpor educ market big and complex for home front window mac sy will win wkgrp will fight for small mid busi onc powerpc becom laptop notebook form will migrat into market abil connect unix machin work and run window mac app home real attract alot peopl predict mike mike bendtsen msbendt mtu edu elm apt ccli senior technic consult hancock michigan technolog univers
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	mac disk window you you cannot read write mac appl disk appl disk extra hardwar mac disk can read and written drive softwar thi ad and mac faq file get ask agre that thi ad sort faq list strai origin topic comput environ pretti split mac and lucki and desk peopl and share data mac user mac user problem packag call do mounter automat let mac read do disk nativ for equivil that mac ett and macse inconsist do platform and requir you perform activ do program select transport file question origin pose such program that hook into window dll that will interpret read mac disk and access standard file dialog quit clear that thi for flopi fisk tfisk qualcomm
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	strang window problem window instal awri whenev run window logo come enter window screen get total screw wrong graphic mode complet illeg function can exit do alt return combin reinstal window you recal halfwai instal process instal take you into window and graphic problem surfac cannot complet instal thi start game work system config sy and autoexec bat restor thi problem crop run diamond stealth vram resinstal stealth video driver luck qemm and stacker window instal stack partit and work perfectli email repli and suggest appreci hutch
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	logic backup articl uiuc edu ioerger sophocl uiuc edu thoma ioerger write possibl disk crash instal do and window backup program work softwar you agre you instal do window and cpbackup function your norton for purpos thi discuss and us do backup command that restor boot system diskett and us do restor read that boot window and restor full backup cpb norton your case overwrit restor that thi skelet window essenti unchang custom real copi parti backup util wrong easi make mirror hard disk that can easili restor state scratch you can put skelet version do and your backup util system floppi you restor martin lodahl system analyst capac plan pacif bell malodah pacbel sacramento usa good for ancient druid runnin nekkid wuid drinkin strang ferment fluid good for unk
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl strobl gmd strobl gmd wolfgang strobl write new duke edu kdb sunbar duke edu kurt bollack write thi fact that msw object inferior competit thi true prefer window microsoft window do appl appl beta and such cannot accept competitor win not market for for coupl week wolfgang strobl wolfgang strobl gmd btw cute sig brett sherron ferrel email bferrel uceng edu cinci catch cat colleg engin you can
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	head head win and articl mtu edu msbendt mtu edu michael scott bendtsen write wait for june roll can hand solari unix for intel chip that unix possibl thi includ wabi window api binari interfac technolog that wil run window app straight outta box will run window and do app that solari scheme challeng microsoft can price for solari app do competit level run solari app solari system and app system can afford unix system high price for good unix softwar natur progress thing for govern gain ground and for liberti yield thoma jefferson brad keplei keplei photon phy unca edu voic dai
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl mekenkamp stpc leidenuniv mekenkamp stpc leidenuniv leo mekenkamp write excus you peopl enjoi work win come talk hous mate mine and product life encount anoth sudden appear do prompt cut and past win empti win screen task run esc bring empti list progman sigh don your roomat wrong peopl enjoi window admit choic mac and window choos window time start anoth flame thread iskandar taib thing wors peach ala internet ntaib silver uc indiana edu frog frog ala peach bitnet ntaib iubac
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support jack feenix metronet jack hudler write call free enterpr system suggest that enhanc do sell give microsoft can period compani don market budget that do for instanc that command never us find addict crack cocain reli word mouth for sale work pretti good your corpor weeni manag type like big glossi magazin that market isn fundament human product that superior do command interpret lot proud gave damn duplic bui outright monei even us ruse send engin compat issu and abscond technolog do mediocr product cheap price back top notch market and vendor agreement mediocr excus earli dai hack had ten year plai interest thought that product that awar last year you access name design and programm easter egg screen includ window name buri file such thing do and asham name fool marri coupl
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	mac disk window gel binklei mcgill gill khouzam write macse zip ftp cica indiana edu suppos read and write mac disk never good luck can that work doesn read disk read program that read disk easiest thi you can send file accross network thi easier mac you don worri lose resourc fork file problem send binari file mac
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support microsoft cliffga microsoft clifford garrett write lot common written you gui thing that made success win workplac shell previou version ibm work ibm that wrote window code cliff you differ window and win help hint run window real mode do box thi window sinc window longer real mode abil run standard mode abil window clipboard abil run seamless and thing ad ibm win run window real mode do box rais your hand final run win rais your hand pictur cliff mike dahmu internet mike vnet ibm vnet mdahmu boca penpm develop ibm ipnet mike schleppo bocaraton ibm ibm person system disclaim not offici ibm spokesman
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl strobl gmd strobl gmd wolfgang strobl write thi true prefer window microsoft window do you compar mike
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	info window file latest reloc your file server winhelp function told search your path reloc window helpfil won problem long you includ path you move applic hardcod path into code that winhelp invok search path winhelp hwnd amipro for exampl winhelp not search your path and that directori you instal your softwar test thi varieti softwar packag move helpfil drive and includ thi path statement result for softwar packag norton desktop found helpfil window for workgroup found helpfil window found helpfil powerpoint found helpfil word found helpfil excel not find helpfil strang foxpro for window found helpfil lotu amipro not find helpfil procomm for window not find helpfil guess thi noth make sens global path for helpfil comment can left lhighlei gozer idbsu edu for jagrant emr emr info thi topic develop
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl mekenkamp stpc leidenuniv mekenkamp stpc leidenuniv leo mekenkamp write brian grier bjgrier bnr wrote comput user world product symbol qualiti made life easier and product and that qualiti not care innov thing make life comput heck lot easier you comput user thi world that will not chang percept excus you peopl enjoi work win come talk hous mate mine and product life encount anoth sudden appear do prompt cut and past win empti win screen task run esc bring empti list progman leo klingon starboard bow leo mekenkamp scrape jim klikspaanweg leiden netherland mekenkamp stpc leidenuniv leo sthp leidenuniv messin roun progman ini gess you tune system that can rememb get blank screen ctrl esc progman ini paramet twink can rememb never win that captain tal
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	info do msw meltdown progress nice bruce dubb bdubb tamu edu wrote anoth comment you ibm consult never heard microsoft send custom engin client organ solv problem wrong not common knowledg microsoft divis call microsoft consult that ibm fe field engin compani and send consult client site compani charg high hourli rate for site consult client paid annual servic contract barton wright molecular simul inc voic bwright msi burlington fax
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl new duke edu kdb sunbar duke edu kurt bollack write agre definit met challeng bat semant guess thing turn expect hmmm gave two exampl match your object criteria and your respons subject claptrap lame you never counter fact that exampl fit your object criteria wonder plai semant game rick schaut uunet beaver microsoft rich microsoft doesn speak for and don speak for microsoft
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	panason truetyp ad panason pin dot matrix printer instal window printer driver specif for thi printer unabl persuad poxi thing print correctli appear happen that truetyp font don print properli experi show that graphic imag for exampl line draw corel draw print graphicsworkshop for window happili print gif etc notepad and write will print correctli provid font text printer font print truetyp font line print wrong order chang text font printer font problem elimin printer driver for printer snappi name emul epsom and ibm proprint and problem occur kind soul can hell chuf david
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	amiga user find comfort window night amiga user dai work window comfort window had two thing good person inform manag you calendar address book remind list etc roll into clean interfac good file manag microsoft poor standard that left and window and file oper launch program interfac nice text read and graphic view familiar directori opu amiga for can steer ftp sight program make transit window lot easier repli email rare read thi group such jerk that doesn smoke steve lombardi drug and doesn cocain and doesn shoot stlombo acm rpi edu smack and doesn even drink beer such ker ween such jerk that doesn smoke steve lombardi drug and doesn cocain and doesn shoot stlombo acm rpi edu smack and doesn even drink beer
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	amiga user find comfort window stlombo eo acm rpi edu steve lombardi write night amiga user dai work window comfort window had two thing good person inform manag you calendar address book remind list etc roll into clean interfac lotu organ quick cheap pretti and featur you want good file manag microsoft poor standard you shell altern provid parti norton desktop for window for instanc person file manag come window faster ndw and file manag that part window for workgroup even decent button bar that left and window and file oper launch program interfac nice text read and graphic view familiar directori opu amiga for that you can file manag you ndw tool for window etc can steer ftp sight program make transit window lot easier repli email rare read thi group haven decent freewar even sharewar shell nectar nirvana absurd essenti concept nectar world std and truth camu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	experi do troubl post thi articl tin for week you multipl copi apolog challeng microsoft microsort support defend pathet state do upgrad distribut long stori make good read for interest know potenti pitfal upgrad do that notic week plai envorin travelm winsx ram disk system bio version texa instrument vga bio cirru logic quadtel advanc power manag batteri pro texa instrument smart drive cach win do paramet window benchmark winbench lab updgrad do not understand thing slow decid dblspace process find discov interest thing disk perform doubl space and smart drive thing not slow time applic appear run slower interest that command chkdsk and defrag run slowli standard suspect doubl space and decid measur impact system winbench real disk winmark for origin system ship factori do and windoww upgrad do effect perform degrad percent not surpris knew that compress cost specif for short sequenti read byte improv transfer rate cpu faster cpu cycl need for compens save cycl for case larg random write transfer time long perform depend type access random sequenti small larg transfer unit averag base winbench assumpt disk slow half speed test alon real mode winbench and smartdrv not that help put into subject statement notic differ perform even that will speed disk access you fast cpu and slow disk thi explain applic ran markedli slower not chkdsk and defrag long doubl space and window dblspace will not run window not even you want inform not modifi for that matter even check usag fasthelp dblspace do box window and you will mean error messag you narrow mind can program thi inform can obtain mstool add file manag thi mstool dll not understand compress floppi us do supplement util creat compress floppi you dont do defragment incompat apm defragment time even wait patient till finish and ran confirm thi confirm dblspace def command for drive second faster defragment us minut discov that move mous defragment check ran faster figur tick rapidli dawn that thi had batteri saver advanc power manag apm modul slow clock think that cpu idl and thought defragment idl process disabl power saver thi oper second microsft programm and gatewai nomad user idiot readm txt file you can find run microsoft backup and gatewai nomad comput avoid conflict turbo featur and microsoft backup for window do add switch devic command your config sy that load batteri pro file you run microsoft backup type setpow command prompt you check manual option you will realis that mean disabl power save featur your notebook want run driver disabl found not power manag interfer microsoft backup readm txt claim chkdsk and dblspace and crippl power saver obviou that not such thing apm specif such thing microsoft programm programm dont read specif you dont guess idiot you run advanc power manag util power ex do you check statu power manag statu set adv max cpu idl time thi figur steadi state notebook run noth window program manag iconis form that mean that window take cpu for and that left for work such overhead justifi whether not window oper system anoth user interfac do alon report idl time window good exampl busi wait type packag that student studi classic neg exampl time microsoft programm not batch program structur startup script and equival addpath statement thi set path do set path etc bin path bin set path etc window path window set path path bcc bin set path path mous even do instal directori do do instal program modif each and path statement and prepend do result result path do instal program want remov do path and add do path scan for path statement conta do directori and replac do path even thi do instal directori upgrad microsoft programm you can call thi person decid meddl path statement had autoexec and prepend do microsoft despar that not fire programm incap thought process start thread thi do and microsoft repres singapor call thi poster fact specif counterpart poster and relai inform not access internet that not chang bit fact you path statement path not obviou that thi statement not touch for reason anoth exampl inabl microsoft programm understand batch program had mous driver invok set mous etc mous set path path mous loadhigh mous mous guess memmak replac last statement etc mous mous difficult replac loadhigh and paramet touch rest line not understand do softwar qualiti do oper system normal usag you end creat file that you cannot rid command that come deliber cryptic thi challeng microsoft us programm catch thi bug and publish dont week will post you can creat thi ghost file sure can pick thi bug even for command twice two dozen microsoft idiot programm randomli bang keyboard week find that told microsoft test qualiti product funni that microsoft found wai test qualiti accept industri that qualiti cannot test can built into product cannot provid form guarante product not even decent list bug that will prevent score user destroi disk repair you run dblspace def repeatedli disk fulli defrag you error that creat defragment sy 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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	amiga user find comfort window articl ada fitz cornel edu stlombo eo acm rpi edu steve lombardi write night amiga user dai work window comfort window had two thing good person inform manag you calendar address book remind list etc roll into clean interfac prefer infoselect strang kind pim good file manag microsoft poor standard that left and window and file oper launch program interfac nice text read and graphic view familiar directori opu amiga for thing you file manag window simpli doubl click drive icon that you window work fallaci you can drag file window icon tree left side window and drive icon thi beat your left and window you can open you two you can launch app file manag doubl click execut icon you can launch applic and open document file doubl click document file icon provid you associ set correctli thi easili menu brows capabl add lot function you name your text file txt and point gif tiff etc file paintshop wingif thi take care your requir for text read and graphic view prefer file manag shell set associ you directori opu half good file manag pretti good file manag you understand thing iskandar taib thing wors peach ala internet ntaib silver uc indiana edu frog frog ala peach bitnet ntaib iubac
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	biobliographi program info need post info biobliographi program two month ago don rember detail softwar organ literatur refer for scientif public function data base manag print special format for journal info appreci ming wang radiat laboratori univers notr dame wang edu
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	can instal printshop delux window norton desktop
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	amiga user find comfort window articl ada fitz cornel edu stlombo eo acm rpi edu steve lombardi write stlombo eo acm rpi edu steve lombardi subject amiga user find comfort window date gmt night amiga user dai work window comfort window had two thing good person inform manag you calendar address book remind list etc roll into clean interfac good file manag microsoft poor standard that left and window and file oper launch program interfac nice text read and graphic view familiar directori opu amiga for written file manag hfm wich two window compar file two directori find wether equal similar file import oper copi move delet show file start progam navig directori tree can invok drag directori entri mous thi conveni select file and oper perform occur move for bitmap graphic view program vpic can integr for spreadsheat and databas file us view program pctool hfm can configur us arbitrari viewer show special data format present archiv pkzip etc simul subdirectori thi filemanag somewhat standart user interfac convieni us and prefer file manag lab univers drawback thi filemanag do program and develop window version not begun us program packag run zip run tell window companion sched ex window program start thi you can start window program dosbox version releas includ command for autom thi window program start ftp archiv for mention program archiv mirror site simtel oak oakland edu filutl hfm zip gif vpic zip garbo garbo uwasa dirutil hfm zip cica ftp cica indiana edu util run zip andrea helk molekular genetik universitaet heidelberg germani email geniu embnet dkfz heidelberg header thi post not valid smtp mail address
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	ati avi driver articl qfwynh rzvpv andrew cmu edu andrew houghton andrew cmu edu write notic ati had post beta avi driver for mach board compuserv had chanc tgo work home bu version graphic pro can stretch avi window and will continu plai back smoothli drop frame machin even attempt such thing mean frame updat second isa graphic zoom percept perform penalti perform except intel indeo board overlai doesn move decompress data isa bu point john munsch
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	winprint real deal netter recenlti aquir monei purchas laser printer dai bought comput shopper mag printer review section and notic winprint machin incred low price for featur dpi meg ram postscript compat envelop print question price cheap appricai pass knowledg thi subject alot dave donut girl friend
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support tim glauert thg cam orl wrote articl new duke edu kdb teer acpub duke edu kurt bollack write tim glauert thg cam orl wrote articl new duke edu kdb sunbar duke edu kurt bollack write thi fact that msw object inferior competit you mean that msw object inferior respect trivial true that object inferior respecet trivial fals you mean criteria you chosen for your object asses you that criteria object that inferior make product inferior competit appl system nextstep unix xwindow pick your favorit flavor word your opinion that msw inferior competit that not msw object inferior technic inferior gui that list describ briefli system easier learn and us independ studi that effect can run msw applic and stabl multitask nextstep easier learn us and program stabl multitask unix easi learn and us stabl multitask prpoer setup will exchang data msw machin msw machin will interoper not issu thi criterion inferior you anoth perhap incorrect you pick glove kurt bollack duke univers medic center kdb sunbar duke edu durham
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	epson stylu inform hand experi epson bubblejet printer stylu interest hear work window presum that special printer driver requir suppli standard print that standard postscript laserprint for repli georg georg bolt dept psycholog univ york
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl tasvi lll winken llnl gov fuess write for window prior had us for earli problem sinc prefer oper system nah window oper system window motif geowork desqview sharewar win boss librari and that name text base window system written applesoft that ran faith appl note similar reli underli real imho window system and that cooler whai
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	smartdrv and dblspace recent articl rcaldrn med miami edu richard calderon write receiv gatewai window and do ran time appar problem decid give doubl space compress drive problem decid load window minut second load dblspace second dblspace tinker machin and notic error messag smartdriv cannot work dblspace not unreason sinc smartdrv packag do version make that your driver himem emm smartdrv execut do directori loss cach provid smartdrv your problem not don startup delai testb for dblspace minim amount data disk that don eat time instal and uninstal dblspace boot second start do herald end autoexec bat execut don handi system realist volum data time joe morri mitr
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support sinc start thi twist thi thread kdb teer acpub duke edu kurt bollack write that inferior make product inferior competit appl system nextstep unix xwindow pick your favorit flavor word your opinion that msw inferior competit that not msw object inferior technic inferior gui that list describ briefli you fell into you you had us rest thi post your previou post not agru you system easier learn and us independ studi that effect can run msw applic and stabl multitask nextstep easier learn us and program stabl multitask unix easi learn and us stabl multitask not competit for window imho system not run intel box nextstep expens competitor window not unix except will requir user spend larg sum monei upgrad applic that run and basic monei speak louder you stabl multitask you mean not multi finder gem geowork oper multi task real honest good priorit pre emptiv multi task prpoer setup will exchang data msw machin msw machin will interoper not issu basic thi moot sinc user share data for quit long time blind thi criterion inferior you anoth perhap incorrect you pick glove pick you state reason your opinion state straight forward protect manner and earlier comment competitor agreement tim glauert agre wait and disclaim opinion express mine not bnr brian user develop want comput plai game bell northern research bui amiga research triangl park real work lost
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl new duke edu kdb sunbar duke edu kurt bollack write system easier learn and us independ studi that effect can run msw applic and stabl multitask nextstep easier learn us and program stabl multitask unix easi learn and us stabl multitask customiz can make comput want msw microsoft bind control left mousebutton type world not that want that tjl
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	smartdrv and dblspace articl rcaldrn epistat rcaldrn med miami edu richard calderon write receiv gatewai window and do ran time appar problem decid give doubl space compress drive problem decid load window minut second load dblspace second dblspace tinker machin and notic error messag smartdriv cannot work dblspace reason for chang smartdrv ex includ window smartdrv ex includ do compat dblspace you run smartdrv your do directori
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	pctool for window demo download pctool demo compuserv upload cica ftp site dean elroi edu
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	afterdark startrek memori articl informix jerri doodl informix write startrek version afterdark run report space memori float across top screen not set correctli ram jerri you doesn work correctli space last frontier across top john grant jagrant emr emr airborn geophys geolog survei canada ottawa
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl new duke edu kdb teer acpub duke edu kurt bollack write rick schaut rich microsoft wrote articl new duke edu kdb sunbar duke edu kurt bollack write agre definit met challeng bat semant guess thing turn expect hmmm gave two exampl match your object criteria and your respons subject claptrap lame you never counter fact that exampl fit your object criteria repeat you mention you present innov concept brought market effici basic basic exist and effici not origin ol concept that bring document orient comput mac had that msw you simpli haven made your point burden proof you exact challeng comput concept brought market noth noth explain your exampl fit that criterion hmm comput geek includ that inov not limit softwar hardwar true product not boast featur that invent product vendor trueli innov continu develop make special public thier innov price true xwindow mac featur thier gui that peopl can afford true that appl lower price low end model that low end system oper system machin oper expens for tast unix platform power enuf common user set xdefault confus thing and puke faint low price aint innov come for product offer and lower cost and power hardwar that run compar mac kinda innov yea guess fact that support product and applic garner for mswindow make kinda innov dixon dly joul ele calpoli edu dly obo calpoli edu electr and electron engin cal poli slo
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	info menu choic file manag articl shenoi vincent iastat edu shenoi iastat edu shiva shenoi write trintex charl tinman dev prodigi charl emmon write descript file manag info menu option edit winfil ini file section addon great add two line addon section exist add second line addon info files dll note that files dll part window resourc kit you instal and you can download cica will make kartik you quot articl rememb trim essenti anant kartik mithal akm uoregon edu network manag student comp scienc oregon eugen fax
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	pctool for window demo elroi edu burri dean write download pctool demo compuserv upload cica ftp site dean elroi edu don demo program and for past week sinc do don us featur pct win us pct desktop drag and drop print folder folder and multipl desktop file manag superior win pat president ppresid cln etc
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	captur screen shot articl acorn wrote captur colour screenshot window press print screen copi screen clipboard past clipboard into window paint packag for repli receiv thi coupl peopl suggest paint packag work properli end advic paintshop pro cica indiana edu philip practic random kind and senseless act beauti
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	head head win and articl eh balsam unca edu keplei photon phy unca edu write articl samba oit unc edu dil admin mh unc edu dave laudicina write question question even want run and had thi big monster machin run divers you deliberatli overst requir for that multi thread true multitask and take place do and window and requir for reasoabl that window meg ram and meg hard drive space beat head wall legitim requir for fact requir for window and equal exquis sinc mankind twice equal natur progress thing for govern gain ground and for liberti yield thoma jefferson brad keplei keplei photon phy unca edu voic dai wim van holder katholiek universiteit leuven tel depart fax dekenstraat leuven mail wimvh liri tew kuleuven belgium fdbaq kuleuven
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	termin woe vlb machin wang fax modem window termin applic can modem chang back and chang work fine set port us don plug into and look manual for worth miss modem jumper for irq understand mean can us second serial port and modem time not second serial port procomm for do see modem and dial doesn connect end answer don that help brian reed bdr cbnewsg att
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	ati graphic ultra pro problem problem dell ati graphic ultra pro eisa start window time run applic not start window will show error messag error execut applic not memori run applic applic want run will start and problem chang video driver mach thi problem not occur suspect ati driver build and build driver clue van harten philip research laboratori tel prof holstlaan fax eindhoven email vharten prl philip netherland
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	challeng microsoft support articl new duke edu kdb sunbar duke edu kurt bollack write tim glauert thg cam orl wrote word your opinion that msw inferior competit that not msw object inferior technic inferior gui that list you start defin your criteria thi criterion inferior afraid that you haven prove that you shown that aspect msw technic inferior system earlier thi you trivial true aspect msw technic superior each system resourc requir performac devic support printer support gui etc btw love studi show that unix easi learn window even agre that balanc msw technic inferior competit thi not prove your point you anoth perhap incorrect rang applic base cost cost applic cost hardwar multi platform support qualiti sale servic avail book train materi support for visual and physic handicap suitabl for us mobil comput qualiti document you that technic excel factor decid primari factor you
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	correct microc origin packag upload cica recent upload cica current version work model microc origin scientif and technic graphic and data analysi packag for window work model and put promo messag hardcopi larg ident full version save origin file disabl you can save ascii data set produc origin expir date sept you ftp cica indiana edu directori pub win upload origin zip file origin zip incomplet bout that includ std disclaim tom carter carter photon cem msu edu michigan state univers carter msucem bitnet chemistri depart
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	enchac mode scsi disk remov id drive and reform two scsi disk us boot disk system that run window fine enhanc mode meg ram and adaptec bio enabl system run fine and run window standard mode fine return do prompt run mode emmexclud and sysrombreakpoint advanc hal view
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	port standard port address for port standard sort mail don read thi group mark tomlinson mark garden equinox gen
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id cabl vacsc vax csun edu wrote bought id hard drive for system had problem thi system had id cabl for drive had bui cabl two drive connector and switch cabl problem hard drive manual refer match pin cabl pin drive and pin id card for life cannot figur plug cabl align id drive that dealt had pin label print circuit board thi suffici determin side your id drive not label you can for polar notch receptacl connector drive pin receptacl center polar that rectangular notch wide posit center side you can identifi pin follow into pin notch top pin top drive thi power connector for pin pin control you can us criteria hard for label pin onc you end pin pin oposit end you set you pin end connect pin end you don even cabl trace pin side cabl pin cabl identifi color red bewar cabl maker not care thi cabl pin mark red polar connector thi doesn matter you can plug cabl and you decid side pin secondli cabl connector two end and figur end control and two into drive matter plug into master drive and into slave appreci doesn matter get plug matter drive jumper will option two jumper that you concern drive jumper will select whether drive slave master master second jumper select whether not slave present you will consult docuement that you drive you not docuement call manufactur hotlin number fax number thi kind inform routin need peopl will fax you complet info jumper you don conveni access fax machin you can voic post specif question thi group won you good luck gordon lang
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	you cornel system subject wonder net had experi cornel comput system california check comput shopper and good balanc servic price and hardwar question reliabl mail respons appreci adam ubvm buffalo edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	dfi handi scanner talk dfi handi scanner model and bit softwar run do us make extens us thi devic write driver for unix can give descript talk thi devic connect system interfac card info can difficult talk brian walli tusc comput system pty
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	number ethernet card tigger djohnson moos uvm edu wrote pin configur softwar program chang number ethernet card advanc dave tigger djohnson moos uvm edu tigger wonder thing dave johnson you mean ethernet number byte ethernet uniqu electron serial number esn assign each ethernet board exist thi physic layer concept address higher layer protocol analog telephon servic address your phone number wire pair cabl pole unknown you physic identif scheme number answer your question assum you meant ethernet number not suppos chang number manufactur can retro fit board reason that your question refer address definetli changabl strictli softwar gordon lang
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	themax vga opinion wonder opinion themax svga card purchas due great price boast million true color onboard you thi card respond mail thi group overwhelm time post advanc john anderson view express nebraska omaha and occasion omaha nebraska usa internet flick cwi unomaha edu correct
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	video card address articl myzn pue austin ibm lanc hartmann austin ibm lanc hartmann write articl qmrdd umcc umcc umich edu jon umcc umcc umich edu jon zeeff write add second base video card system compani that sell card that can coexist anoth color text monitor and fast color graphic configur address for worth haven confirm diamond tech rep told that base video card us port address and thi true appear that you cannot us card your system base card market that support multipl adapt system bu isa version compani call metheu address and phone number metheu corp ogc scienc park compton beaverton awar thi high end card capabl vram not come cheap person two board run dual screen window lanc hartmann lanc hartmann austin ibm ibmpa awdpa ibm that percent sign network address statement comment opinion etc reflect author and not misconstru ibm for that matter mark hall intergraph corpor huntsvil mhall habu ingr
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	sale scsi card scsi card for sale manual softwar and cabl make your offer thi gyro ucsd edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	mitsumi and pro articl apr elroi edu elroi edu guillot write articl apr zip eec umich edu grover emunix emich edu grover thoma write poke pin connector and replac correct slot thi reveris you can unpok easi you poke yep thi trick us tini screwdriv and push latch each pin and pull connector label each tape you don confus you pull compar pinout tabl mitsumi and soundblast manual correct orient arlen martin att attm stcarm
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	keyboard never die almost asham thi question faq couldn find answer origin ibm kei keyboard opinion keyboard function kei place left place firm click etc chanc connect modern clone understand that keyboard function typemat repeat rate programm etc seam that pin electr spec and keyboard commun protocol answer mail you can that absolut imposs that case will bring keyboard museum obsolet technolog duco duco fijma tel univers twent fax box internet fijma utwent ensched netherland ugli pictur thi sig
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi dma and detach articl apr julian uwo wlsmith valv heart rri uwo wayn smith write articl richk apr gozer grebyn richk grebyn richard krehbiel write can explain fairli simpl term scsi control id will perform suffer that for drive don tape drive rom appreci you multi task you want increas perform increas amount overlap you dma bu master make for devic move data into and memori interrupt cpu altern for cpu move data scsi interfac card that dma and bu master you bu master isa bu id defin standard interfac creat for ibm requir cpu move data byte dma talk isa bu you can dma channel activ time transfer data singl devic even you can devic scsi bu explain devic can dma transfer singl scsi card isa bu time scsi card dma transfer not disk scsi card can dma transfer contain data scsi devic attach import featur scsi abil detach devic thi free scsi bu for devic thi typic us multi task start transfer devic each devic seek data bu free for command and data transfer devic readi transfer data can aquir bu and send data id bu you start transfer bu busi disk seek data and transfer thi typic second lock for process want bu irrespect transfer time track copi ibm refer book technic manual page fdd adapt buffer bu and system board direct memori access dma for record data transfer expect similar for hdd adapt lowli low densiti origin fdd card us dma and hdd control doesn that make real sens gui dawson hoskyn group plc guyd hoskyn tel hoskyn guyd austin ibm tel ibm austin usa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor close power sourc thi monitor set approxim feet power enter hous fuse box thi safe for monitor will can emf emit current eventu affect monitor and damag perman degauss fix tom catalino
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	datasav videostream week ago german magazin call videostream thi interfac parallel port and video record for back your data videotap compani datasav claim that can store minut tape cost usd question us thi product byte fit minut tape sound quit unbeliev comment interfac appreci mail your repli directli will sum neccesari advanc gerhard gwesp cosi sbg
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	mitsumi and pro articl apr elroi edu elroi edu guillot write articl apr zip eec umich edu grover emunix emich edu grover thoma write poke pin connector and replac correct slot thi reveris you can unpok easi you poke thi method base respons peopl klutz probabl chang connector end destroi connector put heat shrink tube individu pin and plug into connector correct order work great thi thi turn fine sound easi base peopl experi attempt not john john man opinion express man csc enet dec not repres digit equip
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	orchid vlb seek comment purchas that orchid vlb mother board system vlb id and fahrenheit video board haven heard bad comment thi board comment good bad thi board thi board primarili orchid reput and long stand field for and comment bob jone
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	promplem panason printer folk panason inherit document give problem that resolv paper light refus start blink turn power beep line green light lit simultan red paper light remain lit not blink not give refer manual dont thank you advanc sincer dharmesh
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bit dma failur system halt mhz isa board kbyte cach and meg ram bought soundblast and instal card bit dma channel select channel card instal that bit dma transfer test card time comput crash and pariti error system halt thi happen do window that bit dma channel not work properli testsb ex recocn and test access solut for thi problem special test program for dma problem elimin problem temporali bit dma channel make system slow for your marku
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	pariti error system halt idea you fail mention error occur pariti error check enabl disabl assum you mean you pariti error enabl and not disabl high will count memori check boot thi error occur system beep pattern beep error occur cach memori not like video memori simm fact that you ami bio not conclus determin board manufactur board made thousand small taiwanes compani that bui name brand chip and put togeth simm socket make your board tend doubt your problem your id control perhap you answer question can you mrb boltz vivaldi psu edu mrb psuvm psu edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	can give jumper set rll hard drive and anoth hard drive control machin can kind soul mail jumper set for that board thi advanc jerri signatur
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	trident driver for win fast eddi felson jmarttila finabo abo wrote trident svga card lack suitabl driver for window driver for seri incompat idea driver address for ftp site nice advanc jouni jouni marttila kyl turku finland jmarttila abo jmarttila finabo abovax jmarttila jjmartti utu pgp kei finger jmarttila abo you can find driver wuarchiv wustl edu msdo window sub directori file call tvgawin zip and tvgawin zip latest driver tmc tmc spartan brocku
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ati build driver good hofkin softwar org bob hofkin write build except exit window fact had thi happen build ship gatewai system wrong thi problem commonli overlook never had except build driver scott linn scott hpcvccl
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	cpu temperatur cpu activ articl apr ucc montuno physic lino montuno write thi naiv question basi for claim that cpu will hotter computation intens job run friend claim that will differ temperatur idl cpu and cpu run computation intens job depend idl cpu not do multitask oss loop thi loop goto loop goto loop cpu not work process instruct will respond interupt lino montuno gui gui dawson hoskyn group plc guyd hoskyn tel hoskyn guyd austin ibm tel ibm austin usa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	micro solut backpack not work properli problem micro solut backpack sometim work sometim doesnt will start backup start tape format and percent error tape bad backup format abort for unknown reason turn and wait half hour work fine tape backup warm had similar experi kevin
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bb read bb back that bb start for gatewai bb start and you newsgroup name send inform mail mail address joe west ld loral joe west
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	amd clone legal wyman rtsg mot mark wyman write poe wharton upenn edu write friend mine call phone and told wathc cnn and report that rule prohibit amd sell clone thrown make legal for amd ship yep thi new great new for consum bad new for intel stock drop quit chunk announc scott linn scott hpcvccl
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	modem and noisi line us lot line nois problem baud modem sudgest put toriod transform line thi easili get larg toroid core your local electron shop toroid core ceram metal donut and wind telephon line center core and six time thi easi and cheap fix that not hassel us sofwar fix hardwar problem talk yah mark mark zander sheridanc
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bio fix for diamond world post heard bug dss and driver hear that diamond ship bio replac peopl that fix lot problem driver can mine advanc phil poe wharton upenn edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id hd volker voeck voeck informatik muenchen wrote problem combin two id hard disk seagat and quantum lp singl hard disk work fine connect togeth control doesn work question succes such hard disk togeth and jumper set and bio sett us that control reason for troubl thing that id harddisk control harddisk can such control control case advanc volker id drive jumper master slave master second jumper slave present set correctli each drive manufactur spec ific cmo setup almost posit not problem not control id control support exactli two drive maximum check jumper gordon lang
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	cpu temperatur cpu activ articl austin ibm guyd austin ibm gui dawson write articl apr ucc montuno physic lino montuno write thi naiv question basi for claim that cpu will hotter computation intens job run friend claim that will differ temperatur idl cpu and cpu run computation intens job depend idl cpu not do multitask oss loop thi loop goto loop goto loop cpu not work process instruct asic and digit design not cpu design that fpu not us cach not access chip buffer driver idl multipli isn multipli barrel shifter aren shift microcod isn microcod etc thi mean transistor aren switch mean power dissip cmo mean heat understand pentium shut section cpu aren us order cut heat power denni lou yossarian thought that dlou ucsd edu crazi backbon ucsd dlou dlou ucsd bitnet steve job and steve wozniak high school
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	scsi id hard drive articl apr new brandei edu luoma binah brandei edu write successfulli put scsi and id hard drive system sinc bought seagat id drive and want add comput year gatewai seagat scsi drive scsi control such that doc told not cmo setup hard drive set list not instal and appar scsi control work wonder wonder thi problem rememb help cousin instal second id drive had defin master slave relationship for similar interest scsi boot drive appreci sinc intend instal thi drive asap and not start william barn suranet oper wbarn sura net voic fax disclaim don speak for suranet and don speak for
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	debug hardwar problem suspect extern cach real evid for thi suggest problem bad memori bad motherboard bad cach suggest debug problem turn cach gcc and big program crash time for gcc gave program fatal signal and past complex elvi kermit etc kernel gener protect fault onc session disabl cach suggest and bingo linux stabl rock hasn core dump kernel error cach thi aldi hernandz andrew edu programm paid hour you suppos arrai initi program pearl
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	instal second id drive bill willi willisw willisw eng clemson edu wrote articl darwin sura net wbarn sura net bill barn write recent cousin second intern id drive seagat can model number import and instal vest interest sinc machin bust and us mine fix seagat id forget model number can find can bloodi thing manag drive disconnect not time whenev thing hang bootup never get past system test id control instruct sheet support two drive configur cmo correctli power plug properli even learn master slave relationship that two hd suppos didn pc into and configur jumper properli master slave delet advanc thi practic emerg two paper thi thing for mondai william barn suranet oper wbarn sura net voic fax disclaim don speak for suranet and don speak for told local comput guru that you can thi you perform low level format your exist hard drive and set your system for two hard drive begin word and not find not back add anoth hdd for scoop advanc bill willi not low level format id drive you execut for suppli manufactur bb mail mail version cost nomin fee addit master slave jumper id drive anoth jumper whether slave present cabl not issu long pin pin pin twist swap id cabl pin compon not make assumpt guess assumpt bad cabl and jumper correct and cmo setup correct you fdisk high level format never person found thi necesari perhap wrong data disk not understand your predica you will throw salt your shoulder wear funni cloth and spooki sound chant danc room good luck gordon lang
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	motherboard advic need sourc for motherboard call local store and appear stock motherboard difficult modifi motherboard run mhz simpl replac system clock slower part peter
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	can printer lan mac isi msstate edu mubashir cheema write establish network lan that us printer panason kxp for print receipt and okidata for letter etc thi world thi fundament aspect novel busi wouldn didn live novel print slogan run printer vari type novel network place hundr rtfm captur command printcon pserver and section window manual cover network print you haven bought novel product rephras your question and for inform competitor print rich
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	cmo checksum error articl uaoq ulowel ulowel edu mcook ulowel edu michael cook write recent get cmo checksum error turn comput doesn happen everytim turn can predict happen ami bio and set lost for exampl drive type and password option date and time remain correct can caus thi like reason that your backup batteri fail thi batteri maintain content cmo memori power turn and batteri flakei content cmo will lost and checksum will wrong cmo data replac batteri your doesn us batteri larg capacitor power cmo you check you can replac capacitor normal lithium batteri thi isn make you leav your for half hour hour each dai thi will capacitor charg opt for batteri chang that rogu problem even viru corrupt cmo your batteri viru scanner and check your system
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai flash bio upgrad articl apr utxvm utexa edu dcoleman utxvm utexa edu daniel coleman write gatewai releas flash bio updat for local bu system such nice person upload wuarchiv wustl edu for glb ex msdo upload section enjoi question gain thi bio can save copi bio case want back instal bio enjoi answer bill volz chevron petroleum technolog earth model interpret analysi divis box habra phone fax
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	advic guf psuvm psu edu write clone want run game want bui game requir game tech support game will run digit graphic make run slow card game hoyl classic card game digit graphic photo artwork game fiction card player can speed thi game run short motherboard upgrad processor acceler card mimick can run mhz advic greatli appreci upgrad cost coprocessor acceler card cost that fear merger gsbg uxa cso uiuc edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	question setup video projector for vga ask design video aid system for teacher show student work round window peopl video projector set and larg size monitor thrir displai for present told that wai connect video projector composit rgb can explain and like cost for each telnet kermit for window repli amil bulletin internet account sparc ncu edu tim chen
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	diamond stealth diamond stealth vram card older version dip switch back two problem lost manual machin network card and work fine run window network connect di case import network card smc arcnet bit compat card address and ram base address irq file diamond bboard that explain sort thi manual don bboard number you can send diamond bb number mail post dip switch set for card fax wrong can magicli work appreci advanc red
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ati ultra pro and bit window driver work articl emx reza magellan utexa edu alireza vali write bought gatewai system meg ati ultra pro video card work fine for window driver for bit and and bit mode font and icon start deterior window startup and minut us screen total unintellig natur call gatewai tech support inquir thi technician ask driver and told version build told that and bit driver for thi pure bull had bit mode and work sinc version bld ad bit option flexpanel get driver ftp cica indiana edu wuarchiv ati ultra pro simpli not work thi true simpli amaz thi strang thing expect discuss subject made faq gatewai local bu meg ram scsi rom ultrastor local bu scsi control ati ultra pro local bu vram do window mach driver version build mine gatewai meg ram id ati gup instal upgrad bld driver cannon lobbi
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	soundblast irq and port set articl shaman tek andrew frip tek andrew klossner wrote lpt disk control call devic devic that requir exclus interrupt ownership disk control and keyboard devic that not requir exclus ownership will share interrupt anoth devic lpt standard isa bu that almost laptop pc us two separ interfac card cannot share interrupt thi due screwup bu design for exampl your soundblast drive interrupt number hold bu wire time depend whether not interrupt thi preclud let anoth card assert interrupt number two devic isa bu share interrupt implement singl card interest you care explain soundblast pro card and printer card share irq successfulli assur you that set irq and that problem comput dtk ibm clone paul bartholomew pdb ipl jpl nasa gov
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	scsi id hard drive articl apr new brandei edu wbarn sura net bill barn write successfulli put scsi and id hard drive system sinc bought seagat id drive and want add comput year gatewai seagat scsi drive scsi control such that doc told not cmo setup hard drive set list not instal and appar scsi control work wonder wonder thi problem rememb help cousin instal second id drive had defin master slave relationship for similar interest scsi boot drive appreci sinc intend instal thi drive asap and not start id mfm and scsi drive for year id and scsi system and id scsi disk and scsi cdrom scsi card futur domain western digit scsi card and work adapt recal card can support boot and floppi drive us control id mfm boot drive id mfm you can not boot scsi you control system you gui drive id scsi set id your cmo setup make you can boot set scsi control irq dma etc set scsi drive plug and plai for card you drive you driver for drive and you question email will answer good luck william
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	articl usenet in cwru edu rrn cwru edu robert novitskei write heard perform stat fabl wonder perform compar and pentium info help advertis microtim bai area mini comput shopper enci system fremont graphic for perform base mip power meter rake and tom tom barrett tdbear engin tom barrett amd amd pcd ben white austin don hold don leav chanc tasmin archer view and not compani origin
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	modem window problem articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu nstassen magnu ac ohio state edu nicki stassen lantz write weekend replac motherboard upgrad do window and experi lockup window applic modem dxl cpu amd ami bio card serial parallel and game port gener cheapo id control two two intern packard bell modem mous mous set irq jumper board and parm mous driver modem set irq jumper modem board addit disabl second serial port card sinc unus mous work fine deal procomm do version work fine modem procomm for window cim compuserv for window and termin lockup modem screen freez sound come modem messag screen get real frustrat second port card enabl thi problem softwar rout beggin that thi hardwar problem similar experi idea advanc stassen lantz ran into problem upgrad modem modem time give modem reset command atz window comput lock give atz command do will work solut not give modem atz command window procomm instal process told program hay compat modem atz not includ initi string work fine call thi didn clue memori interupt conflict lockup accur window comm program that atz command
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	jumbo backup problem told peopl that soni data cartridg don quit cut jumbo tape drive lot bad block you soni tape switch mike
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hardcard owner problem lost softwar driver and setup program for hardcard can email file develop bought quantum bb phone hardcard advanc eric
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai flash bio upgrad articl lhdsy lahabra chevron hwrvo kato lahabra chevron volz write articl apr utxvm utexa edu dcoleman utxvm utexa edu daniel coleman write gatewai releas flash bio updat for local bu system such nice person upload wuarchiv wustl edu for glb ex msdo upload section enjoi question gain thi bio can save copi bio case want back instal bio enjoi answer fix problem micropros game leav iii vain find floppi drive thi fix don correct made come imag origin case thing don work download glb ex format bootabl floppi disk and don put config sy autoexec bat run extract archiv file explod disk run file fsh ex explanatori dan feel extraordinarili gener onc upload file ftp cica indiana daniel matthew coleman internet dcoleman utxvm utexa edu dcoleman ccwf utexa edu univers texa austin decnet utxvm dcoleman electr comput engin bitnet dcoleman utxvm bitnet
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	conflict control grafic card upgrad local bu motherboard two month ago and bought control card local bu and grafic card diamond stealth vlb put grafic card and control togeth system don want boot stop control card check chang ami bio setup noth work thing disabl rom bio adress control card system step check system and cach memori noth for answer chrobert
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	do clone dtc esdi control and toshiba mbyte drive sinc instal do instal softwar disk mount second fourth disk do doesn recogn that chang floppi dir content previou diskett do recogn that diskett chang label and not label bui do coloss mistak do stabl and work equip superstor pro and desqview qemm manifest etc aren featur do that guess roll back do wari will happen fool don do bootabl disk anymor made mistak caution user not make sheep join crowd flock do baaa baaad system administr phillip culver silicon graphic inc mtn view
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	internet server for univers univers want bui coupl server provid email student and faculti two server lok for provid new servic and mail servic propos internet connect fores problem thi propos set provid that ihet provid ethernet line cisco router into network mhz smc elit eisa nic dual duplex scsi part and labor hard drive run univel unix for applic server will run mail campu wide novel network access hopefulli aspect nic us thi disk space etc greatli appreci christoph meyer uunet meyer evansvil edu univers evansvil academ comput technician not and
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ati build driver good build except exit window fact had thi happen build ship gatewai system wrong thi problem commonli overlook bob hofkin
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	number ethernet card pin configur softwar program chang number ethernet card advanc dave tigger djohnson moos uvm edu tigger wonder thing dave johnson
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	scsi and id differ stupid question ibm user sell mac and get gatewai differ id and scsi come western digit id drive ask for seagat scsi drive gui ask you scsi lost for answer seagat compani satisfact point view scsi drive faster id not bui for anoth month thi question that bug for tom
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	lost clone and intern modem set work fine upgrad do and time reload window system can find msd and comm program hardwar not present similar error messag procomm find modem problem and work fine curious and curious hint mike mwvm mitr org opinion
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	can set articl mtc fnnew fnal gov uchima fncrdh fnal gov mike uchima write problem system gatewai system ati ultrapro video card ident system mention origin post mhz for reason system refus recogn for exampl configur board motherboard port for fine configur for work not recozn diagnost ship system msd util window act port isn not irq conflict can swap irq for and and work and doesn notic thi problem instal addit port boca high speed card behavior boca card exactli work not thi smell port conflict can imagin expans card instal machin video card and gatewai pretti stupid board conflict motherboard had thi problem ran into thi six month ago system meg ram meg ati gup vlb problem that ati graphic ultra pro card consum port for reason thi document system manual can recal dave peterschmidt
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	jumper set for ungermann bass pcnic ethernet card data sheet handli for mention card bought san manual local surplu shop and want crywyr packet driver suit irq and interfac select jumper pretti straightforward don grok set label set jumper correspond address thi card plug plai dave platt voic domain dplatt ntg netcomsv ntg dplatt usnail technolog group inc embarcardero palo alto
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	cmo checksum error recent get cmo checksum error turn comput doesn happen everytim turn can predict happen ami bio and set lost for exampl drive type and password option date and time remain correct can caus thi you mike
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	power suppli fan make aw din late comput power suppli fan begun make lot nois can thi had power suppli case good place sell good tower case and coupl dozen list comput shopper for person experi and recommend divya live long and die slow and horribl death confuciu want
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	math pro cpu will give perform math intens program advanc chri teagu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	modem problem dialton isa compat insight infotel intern fax data modem quicklinkii for window put modem pull phone jack anoth room and ran phone line extens surg protector and comput modem work fine split line jack room ran line into room into surg protector and comput regular phone and plug that into phone jack modem us modem quicklinkii dialton phone plug into back comput work fine unplug phone dice that phone line split time don understand thi problem sinc phone work fine note softwar hardwar paramet chang phone line modem faulti can david thoma dudek pwx ubvm bitnet cybard state univers dudek sun acsu buffalo edu york music food love buffalo plai shakespear
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	null modem cabl kevin kimmel comput scienc german undergrad kimmel vax cn muskingum edu wrote interrest extrodinarili simpl concept null modem cabl idea don count that last statement ask pin us specif want solder bui don even port us kimmel vax cn muskingum edu kevin intend us cabl for transfer lap link telix idea and info gladli accept not specif knowledg lap link telix recommend for packag follow each instruct for make null modem cabl reason that each sinc isn standard for commun tutori wrote that will give you understand and null modem you check your softwar will eplain coupl detail commum specif for commun comput and modem can end system and commun hardwar terminolog us data termin equip dte and data commun equip dce spell voltag level connector type pinout and signal protocol connector ibm set altern standard primari signal transmit data reciev data and signal ground signal that provid control dte and dce for exampl dte announc that power and readi particip commun data termin readi dtr signal dtr output dte and input dce similarli dce announc that readi particip commun data set readi dsr signal dsr input dte and output dce that signal interest request send rt signal output dte and input dce that us dce permiss send data dce agre send clear send ct signal for complet ct input dte and output dce two signal interest ring indic and data carrier detect dcd input dte and output dce you expect signal dte that attempt establish connect dce thi specif modem telephon line setup dcd for dce announc that connect establish local dce talk remot dce that signal defin obsolet explain signal that pinout follow name dtr dsr dcd rt ct address your problem hand you connect dte dte dce pair middl and signal definit don work quit dce assert ct dsr dcd common thing not us signal and forget dtr and rt output thi you simpli make null modem cabl that pass and cross and pin end connect pin end etc problem thi solut that that send data know readi send data and hope null modem includ dtr dsr pair cross point confus softwar area you run wire not mean that soft ware will us you built bio control serial port bio dictat wire you and us you comm packag such brooklyn bridg lap link telix packag dictat cabl requir thing you can guess reliabl and dtr dsr fairli common issu that address and that flow control scenerio dce respons for flow control and assum that dce couldn run dte thi mean that long dte dtr line assert dce will send data request permiss note contrast direct data flow dte request permiss assert rt line and wait for ct signal can send and dte dte scenerio question you flow control answser for binari commun common techniqu xon xoff implement softwar wire dedic flow control and carri xon and xoff command thi type flow control can us addit hardwar flow control problem that you can send binari data your data includ xon xoff code and erron conrol signal work softwar insert and extract escap code hardwar flow control prefer problem hard ware flow control that standard lot wai and bet cornerston method us rt ct for direct that fair game you you comm packag for cabl requir bet you find that cabl wire properli work packag long vintag familiar packag that rt ct and dtr dsr for flow control rt request send and dtr readi reciev ct clear send and dsr request reciev thi not mean differnt cabl softwar clincher thi cabl stuff that common uart directli control ct signal mean that ct present even you not support ing softwar for case you will find cabl that short rt ct end perhap dtr ct short softwar expect signal that you don don feel provid mean addit wire specif talk dsr short dtr dsr not good idea gener you find cabl thi bad idea defeat purpos gotcha signal dcd softwar includ bio expect dcd will work thi signal sometim get short dtr favorit null modem rt and ct short each end rt connect end and connect dcd and dtr dsr cross and pass thi null modem work softwar flow control can us rt dcd dtr dsr your comm packag not cabl requir for connect suggest you us thi dtr dsr dsr dtr dcd rt rt dcd ct ct gordon lang
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	netwar server and wayn mcdougal had unmitig gall thi softwar netwar level and can burnt screen sft netwar level configur netwar for level mirror duplex disk requir second disk mirror requir control that capabl write two disk onc duplex prefer mirror two control card and two disk drive duplex requir special card and two ident disk drive case duplex can sometim pull slightli drive control long size novel server configur configur complet user can instal sft netwar level level thi caus serial error you disk you can us level sft osobj disk serial number and thi disk for version netwar you serial error make that thi disk belong rest set floppi netwar instal set novel server equip two hard drive fail two drive two netwar volum sft volum mirror sft imposs network thi mean can not instal network softwar will not serial for thi hardwar fail drive disconnect fail drive standard disk control and instal softwar volum sft softwar will instal and disk function work thi configur can serial error comment serial number osobj instal floppi happen keycard fail keycard attach line nois provid south central bell blue wave qwk ozon hole bb privat bulletin board servic full servic node usrobot bp gig file skydiv orlean rime network mail hub usenet newsgroup rout question inquiri postmast ozonehol
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	date stuck john bongiovanni had unmitig gall thi suddenli date longer roll time accur allwai chang date hand morn thi involv exit menu system do onc hear that order for date advanc clock make date system call appar clock hardwar interrupt and bio don thi date advanc automat date call notic that midnight reset flag set and advanc date program do call system reset flag that tell bio that pass midnight thi flag increment date menu call system time midnight bio see midnight flag bio will not that dai pass and date will not updat do and bio mix darn cold mess brain thi document problem for year don workaround hope thi help two common element univers hydrogen stupid blue wave qwk ozon hole bb privat bulletin board servic full servic node usrobot bp gig file skydiv orlean rime network mail hub usenet newsgroup rout question inquiri postmast ozonehol
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ibm link imagewrit larri henson had unmitig gall thi hook appl imagewrit ibm clone problem configur lpt port accept thi can you adjust baud pariti etc fit system mode not work can post mail lpt port don recogn baud pariti etc set you tring connect serial printer parallel port thi attach serial port printer serial port us mode command set port set mode set port paramet us mode command redirect printer port lpt thi mode lpt thi work good luck time fli arrow fruit fli banana blue wave qwk ozon hole bb privat bulletin board servic full servic node usrobot bp gig file skydiv orlean rime network mail hub usenet newsgroup rout question inquiri postmast ozonehol
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	date stuck michael shapiro had unmitig gall thi do system date twenti hour clock and rollov bit system cross midnight rollov bit turn subsequ read time add chang thi inform current do not check whether appli version small tidbit advent do and version ad small featur do time function program set do clock do system servic do will set bio clock thi break isol two clock that us ensur that error do clock not bleed into bio clock sometim microsoft peopl don fact mickei mous wear gore wristwatch blue wave qwk ozon hole bb privat bulletin board servic full servic node usrobot bp gig file skydiv orlean rime network mail hub usenet newsgroup rout question inquiri postmast ozonehol
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	put getter had unmitig gall thi thi dumb question put hard drive father mfm rll id hook comput geometri drive you set bio doubt that id control respons for keep track drive geometri and get inform comput control come softwar updat board bio design work drive seagat drive special control for us and tailor drive you cannot low level format id drive low level format store specal magnet area disk surfac call servo not electron us term that higher record bia drive record head can gener don low level format id drive peopl for eat tasti anim blue wave qwk ozon hole bb privat bulletin board servic full servic node usrobot bp gig file skydiv orlean rime network mail hub usenet newsgroup rout question inquiri postmast ozonehol
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	can bui bio iko had unmitig gall thi market upgrad bio phoenix hard disk discov bio doesn type and can purchas thing call phoenix can put you line replac bio chip had thi upgrad emerson id drive you instal id drive and bio set that total volum id drive volum id drive can respond varieti geometri long set that you us equal smaller drive actual size control will translat automat case warn not us bio set that even byte larger actual size drive smaller set will not harm drive you will you even byte drive damag will not result headach will backup not found bort etri anic blue wave qwk ozon hole bb privat bulletin board servic full servic node usrobot bp gig file skydiv orlean rime network mail hub usenet newsgroup rout question inquiri postmast ozonehol
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	modem and noisi line juan carlo leon had unmitig gall thi jcl problem cheapo bp modem us jcl connect univers garbag screen jcl nois line can hear jcl question will error correct protocol elimin jcl thi garbag modem doesn hardwar can jcl softwar implement protocol trick softwar version mnp mtez and will connect modem that mnp compat modem that you connect doesn support mnp won error correct modem will elimin line nois error correct modem end conncet ad soeed worth price error correct modem baud bi modem reason and slower expens modem market hard disk full thi messag section thing blue wave qwk ozon hole bb privat bulletin board servic full servic node usrobot bp gig file skydiv orlean rime network mail hub usenet newsgroup rout question inquiri postmast ozonehol
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai boot tim king had unmitig gall thi accident discov that floppi box diskettet drive boot get system diskett messag machin hang and cmo get overwritten luckili gatewai send print standard wild thought thi small boot program format diskett whether not contain system file thi small program that print system disk error not do thi program transfer control bio locat that nonstandard gatewai clear bio don that bio overwritten small routin clear cmo area case invalid configur prevent machin boot that boot code fuji disk inadvertantli call thi routin thought don hit moder back topic swear blue wave qwk ozon hole bb privat bulletin board servic full servic node usrobot bp gig file skydiv orlean rime network mail hub usenet newsgroup rout question inquiri postmast ozonehol
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	port mark had unmitig gall thi standard port address for port standard sort standard for port facto standard for not guarente work can us port don spec good luck escap blue wave qwk ozon hole bb privat bulletin board servic full servic node usrobot bp gig file skydiv orlean rime network mail hub usenet newsgroup rout question inquiri postmast ozonehol
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	floppi read wrote articl netxcom netx pdressn netxcom netx peter dressner write gatewai floppi drive read file wrote floppi floppi that format and file machin unread floppi that written thi defect floppi drive long time ago unread thi sound head align problem fix align screw that you can adjust advanc for your respons peter friend mine had problem turn that floppi set drive matt crowlei rememb that deep srg coventri cck insid you bastard worth like
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	put drive control bio board handl low level format bio you set drive properli cylind head etc andi robinson psu edu
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	diamond stealth articl last newsgroup comp sy ibm hardwar redmond cmu edu redmond english subject diamond stealth date wed apr diamond stealth vram card older version dip switch back two problem lost manual machin network card and work fine run window network connect di case import network card smc arcnet bit compat card address and ram base address irq shown press space for quit for file diamond bboard that explain sort thi manual don bboard number you can send diamond bb number mail post dip switch set for card fax wrong can magicli work appreci advanc red end file press return quit date thu apr redmond cmu edu subject diamond stealth diamond bb baud baud voic fax sam press return continu gosh instal viru call do don copi that floppi burn love window crash
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	eisa board configur problem bought amiecu eisa motherboard and adaptec fast scsi control want instal aha and written amiecu manual cfg util told newer version adaptec configur overlai file name adp ovr not compat motherboard adaptec driver util version can you name freder tschannen adress univers fribourg iiuf misericord fribourg switzerland mail tschannen cfruni bitnet
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	can port work for month unsuccessfulli attempt serial port work system system diagnost msd norton hook can us two serial port motherboard set intern fax modem for util program report check make irq and address correctli list manual set miss basic even point direct appreci david besonen davidb student umass edu
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ad scsi drive articl apr oracl oracl ebosco oracl eric bosco write comput seagat id drive and control built into motherboard want add scsi drive quantum prodriv format document and your understand process ad such drive you bui scsi contol adaptec good kind expens good board region want compat and unix net that scsi and scsi drive thi true adapt drive type drive quantum that adaptec for monei connect drive adapt scsi cabl and power cabl worri power suppli watt and power two floppi and seagat drive dont you can mix two type drive you scsi id card that you will turn your id setup bio recogn drive second drive type drive thi don number for thi drive instruct for drive type includ control type matter disk type had control that had bio that hard disk instal format and creat partit drive us format fdisk that id drive can low level format scsi exactli fdisk work reduc msdo manual clone oblig and mention fdisk ideal want drive partit two partit and thi not low level format scsi you scsi low level format program us fdisk set partit us format that anythi forget appreci lost eric ebosco oracl mark mark physchem
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	teac harddisk jumper set bought harddisk and want us teac harddisk unfortunatali not document thi harddisk set jumper for master slave advanc robert tenback rhtenbac ruu robert tenback rhtenbac ruu utrecht netherland
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	motherboard advic need articl jethro corp sun lonewolf muse corp sun peter pak write sourc for motherboard call local store and appear stock motherboard difficult modifi motherboard run mhz simpl replac system clock slower part peter thi case make you board plug oscil you will screw your warranti you start solder board mark mark physchem
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	info power ibm appl motorola begin repost ibm appl motorola readi unwrap powerpc processor wrap will come powerpc processor thi week motorola corp ibm and appl comput inc detail result yearlong effort thi seri powerpc processor will bit processor bit memori interfac intel corp pentium capabl perform instruct per clock cycl sourc familiar chip motorola expect releas chip volum year end two configur run and mhz perform and specint mark sourc float point perform for volt processor will even specfp perform will and scale version power chip develop ibm for workstat will includ singl buffer cach chip protocol support motorola bit multiprocessor bu built chip design initi support micro channel architectur bu independ vendor develop powerpc base system number architectur includ isa eisa sun microsystem inc bu design sourc note sourc familiar develop effort motorola extrem success develop powerpc inexpens architectur despit complex design made million transistor micron technolog initi chip expect price slightli higher intel corp processor sold profit for sourc end repost
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	cpu fan articl apr mfltd nmp mfltd nic perciv write mhz system and get fan for cpu processor run hot touch thi fairli good idea long ago electron train read that region chip that defin junction gate etc slowli diffus time and thi increas temperatur hot chip spec sooner cpu fan type you remov cpu scoket instal fan cpu fan deriv power spare drive power line had troubl cpu fan evid that cpu fan complet wast monei fan attach glue clip melt chees roughli cooler will cpu fan oppos advert read claim info appreci nic perciv that piec cake micro focu newburi piec cake master radial slice bake ext confect coeffici relev nmp mfltd kei time fancard slightli beast long card that plug into bit slot and contain two muffin fan requir extra cabl had that experienc problem due heat fancard made system run cool that problem longer appear suppos intern temperatur rang degre fahrenheit maker tech advertis armi us bunch pc run desert storm can vouch for that satisfi custom and connect maker mail order hous lyben hope thi help georg georg pandelio internet gjp sei cmu edu softwar engin institut usenet sei gjp avenu voic pittsburgh fax disclaim opinion and not reflect softwar engin institut sponsor custom client affili carnegi mellon univers fact resembl opinion individu live dead fiction real pure coincident
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor nanao articl eskimo johnn eskimo john navitski write monitor that can handl high resolut envis thi monitor amiga amiga graphic board retina and sun sparcstat basic want high resolut versit monitor thi monitor not larg meet requir outlin happi sun and cope smaller home interest detail high qualiti soni and hitatchi monitor sinc us sun fairli and pretti good haven brought mag and viewson give viewson good side side viewson mag nanao not trinitron and soni oem trinitron tube viewson beat easili term pictur qualiti and superior sun that stare place ask for bought had not bought nanao week earlier keh cheng
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	modem and uart articl jester gun michael jester gun michael gerhard write univers arithmet receiv transmitt older board uart board chip gener irq for char receiv uart intern byte buffer softwar instal gener irq char close univers asynchron receiv transmitt for higher throughput you ran do you don do run task time and cpu power us for transfer even you run do your cpu can handl speed interrupt you will lose charact machin extern bp modem attach and can drive serial port faster lose charact michael michael jester gun michael gerhard preussenstrass germani neuss voic rob robert schrack system administr ra ultb rit edu salesbook system voic tobei villag offic park pittsford fax wrote book sale forc autom
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want load logitech scanman driver high memori troubleload logitech scanman driver latest version into high memori devicehigh command msdo invalid paramet messag chang scanner driver paramet load high appreci ronel
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	stb powergraph user that view jpg file mhz machin stb powergraph graphic card color meg ram cview window extrem slow and dvpeg dvpeg doesn work even pick lot mode that support powergraph manual doesn work view pictur buzz that can give suggest
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	delai write cach andrea kuehnel idler berlin wrote norton cach nice horribl incompat game won work streamer softwar won work and window doesn copi delet lot small file that surpris haven incompat mine version version that upgrad had problem symantec fix and haven wrong sinc not run windoz haymor byu edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ad scsi drive can coexist id articl apr physchem mark physchem mark jackson write articl apr oracl oracl ebosco oracl eric bosco write comput seagat id drive and control built into motherboard want add scsi drive quantum prodriv format document and your understand process ad such drive you bui scsi contol adaptec good kind expens good board region want compat and unix net that scsi and scsi drive thi true adapt drive type drive quantum that adaptec for monei connect drive adapt scsi cabl and power cabl worri power suppli watt and power two floppi and seagat drive dont you can mix two type drive you scsi id card that you will turn your id thi true impress that peopl net had scsi and id work togeth that anythi forget appreci lost eric ebosco oracl mark mark physchem
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id drive instal problem troubl instal second id drive promis id cach control drive conner and work fine second drive conner unjump slave drive problem slave drive recogn report back free space disabl cach made effect check for krispi
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	atari mono and vga arosborn oregon uoregon edu alan osborn write articl apr tdb max tdb max brant succed convert atari monomchrom monitor into mono vga monitor exactli you and graphic card you us post similar question two week ago respons ask local friendli atari store told that that had idea care investig result you defin monitor lcd doesn support analogu video input work isn linear incom sync puls invert thi achiev cmo xor packag transistor invert you don don even contempl work standard vga mode that find circuit will act univers sync decod want somethikng basic detect lead sync puls edg and doesn care polar output puls that atari monitor requir reason for thi vga card chang sync polar depend mode herc emul mvga for exampl mean don put toggl switch back monitor order run atari and ibm monitor sit desk and want that number us atari monitor paper white vga will cut thing forget atari colour can ultim action multisync monitor press for cash wait alan brown dogbowl dogbox acm gen
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai monitor problem onc gatewai monitor problem can apprieci advanc local bu machin crystal scan inch monitor meg loca memori ati ultra pro mach driver newest releas problem window us mode shadow side screen and blurri type corner type screen focu replac video card and replac monitor that help pleae thi frustruat problem josh smith live make preciou time repli will never come picard light jlredd bach udel edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id drive instal problem articl apr sunova ssc gov qwerti tunisia ssc gov kri schludermann write troubl instal second id drive promis id cach control drive conner and work fine second drive conner unjump slave drive problem slave drive recogn report back free space disabl cach made effect check for krispi you make drive master drive you partit format
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	differ uart and uart bug sometim extra charact fifo thi render fifo useless
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	trident driver for win apr spartan brocku tmc spartan brocku write you can find driver wuarchiv wustl edu msdo window sub directori file call tvgawin zip and tvgawin zip latest driver download file coupl dai ago and appear incompat thi card svga driver work for newer and seri jouni marttila kyl turku finland jmarttila abo jmarttila finabo abovax jmarttila jjmartti utu pgp kei finger jmarttila abo
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ad scsi drive can coexist id eric bosco ebosco oracl wrote edit your post wade line quot crud peopl read make peopl like you you don want help that your problem thi true impress that peopl net had scsi and id work togeth not true you can scsi and id work togeth restrict adaptec you boot id drive boot scsi drive you id and scsi drive you disabl scsi rom bio not thi and you us special driver access scsi drive hmm that you disabl relat scsi bio not rom back februari ask id and scsi thi question get ask and end thi messag includ edit copi repli you find interest darryl okahata internet darrylo disclaim thi messag author person opinion and not constitut support opinion polici hewlett packard green men that dai worth scsi id will notic decreas access time increas xfer rate for msdo applic isa base scsi and id control gener compar throughput you slightli higher throughput scsi disk you pai for disk and case you pai for good scsi control note that good scsi control show power us good multitask oper system unix msdo window good multitask oper system perform advantag scsi control wast leav advantag connect multipl devic scsi bu advantag note that you can expect pai premium for scsi devic you msdo stick id cheaper and you headach will virtual scsi devic chain into control for hard drive bernoulli box rom tape drive etc note true for msdo window futur hold for window and unix gener you find driver for each scsi devic don exist you high perform scsi control typic bu master scsi control that cost street price and and driver that you connect control popular name brand scsi devic come card can purchas for list price exampl such driver kit adaptec scsi kit list thi work adaptec scsi control corelscsi peopl make coreldraw list thi driver kit will supposedli work scsi control card that aspi driver adaptec central point tool for do support number scsi tape drive document list tape drive work adaptec control like problem incompat scsi control and sound card video acceler and similar equip you will run into problem you high perform bu master scsi control thi doesn sound doesn true control you tweak your system work sound card floppi control base tape drive cm jumbo and window and back get scsi control work hardwar softwar god for tape backup you want copi adaptec hint and tip file send email problem aren fault scsi control card problem gener hardwar and softwar design standard ad bu master scsi card bring problem surfac and make visibl scsi hold lot promis you can run into lot compat problem you plan msdo window stick id you want us window unix you make hard decis good scsi control and scsi hard disk will give you excel perform cost msdo compat thi true unix don thi will true window suspect that will don for
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	comment gatewai nomad get laptop for work and decid toshiba and gatewai nomad price gatewai significantli perform hard drive mhz mhz and cheaper accessori extra batteri modem concern gatewai durabl and reliabl experi gatewai nomad deni lambert denisl col
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	do do mous driver recent instal do machin and user claim that us mous screen will blank and machin will lock virus not run tsr mous logitec button idea mark mark msstate edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	soundblast irq and port set pdb ipl jpl nasa gov paul bartholomew write clip clip interest you care explain soundblast pro card and printer card share irq successfulli assur you that set irq and that problem comput dtk ibm clone run do deriv note that not exactli happen slightli simplifi explan technic irq line mean for devic printer adapt soundblast modem hard disk signal cpu that happen note cpu program handl thi signal oper system do interrupt vector us store address function that handl each interrupt basic do doesn care whether printer report that readi print stuff not simpli ignor interrupt do print lpt buffer charact wait and check not copi charact lpt port sinc irq printer interrupt free for us for adapt thi case multitask advanc thi kind print approach doesn work precis wast lot cpu cycl you can share irq lpt and you run unix whatnot anoth issu that digit sound interrupt plai plain music cpu simpli tell plai told digit sound interrupt requir notifi cpu output end and data need you can hook two port interrupt us time thi interrupt handl routin for port and can port data thi appli for devic lpt rememb thi greatli simplifi part gener pictur correctli cheer juha liukkonen aka jliukkon helsinki univers helsinki dept lost soul trust sledg hammer
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor nanao johnn eskimo john navitski write discuss monitor comp sy ibm hardwar and note that nanao good review interest get inform nanao product can ahold nanao nanao call for catalog list and street cost avail parti bui copi comput shopper and place reason price and good servic cad warehous sububurban cleveland ohio
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	problem speed ram and trident svga card sometim feel run slowli run window plan bui ati graphic ultra semest that problem solv ram chip slow for machin faster ram chip make big differ us cad softwar comput grade good speed lot experienc differ isa bu and bu graphic acceler scsi control not sinc replac hard disk sometim huge file comput worth us scsi interfac can spend will appreci advanc denni dpang uafhp uark edu man hate stupid text editor can type articl do word processor and load file into usenet advanc
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	consum warn midwest micro ohio post almost bad experi midwest micro new program paragraph middl addit fact that modem had order two wouldn work document and tech person had clue work turn that two modem us tech thought that standard practic and modem made floppi drive quit work and cm tape drive start run that incompet thing that sell us stuff and won even apolog for anoth stai crook bob wilson wilson math wisc edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	jumper set for ungermann bass pcnic ethernet card articl apr ntg dplatt ntg dave platt write irq and interfac select jumper pretti straightforward don grok set label set jumper correspond address pcnic oem ibm for ethernet card that doesn us address interrupt and share memori jumper you control bit base address share memori can recal and that easi determin debug jame vanbokkelen high north andov ftp softwar inc voic fax
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	consum warn midwest micro ohio articl usq mpr wybb org ken wybb org write not modem work basic system not work multi port system mine sinc time worth aggrav cost modem gave local charit organ descript problem and order practic peripher connect for solid extern modem built compani will support user and sold compani base person experi will treat problem bui extern modem solv problem want serial devic onc and sinc support two you blame modem vendor for problem don your experi intern modem le mikesel le chinet chi
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	pinout for standard mono vga monitor subject line max brant max tdb institutionen teknisk databehandl uppsala universitet
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	check switch ibm thi bit odd check state dip switch mother board ibm bio max brant max tdb institutionen teknisk databehandl uppsala universitet
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	error beep boot servic machin and whenev thing start beep powerup error messag that signifi don problem machin ladi concern don you love comput preferr respons mail read net you can post andrew ac micro comput network technic support univers maryland baltimor counti andrew hotelca tech umbc edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	vlb bu master problem articl rkimbal athena rkimbal athena qualcomm robert kimbal write specif interest ultrastor vlb scsi control shell buck for thi thing straight scoop thi control problem had and motherboard didn work and case do mine back understand that system such micron motherboard shut intern cach work hear run motherboard shut cach you advis you can return ralph
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	atari sell trade for sell atari and purchas ibm compa tibl kind monei trade can expect for atari bother start graduat school and that mean poor price list for us synthes rec music maker synth equival list for comput thi system tailor made for midi musician detail follow atari to ram floppi drive supradr extern scsi drive month atari monochrom monitor gener baud extern modem softwar softwar regist and come manual passport master track pro version sequenc softwar copyist profession score softwar word word processor not version megamax laser version program languag vip profession spreadsheet packag low tech lotu clone partner desk accessori integr calendar cardfil etc migraph easi draw earli pre postscript releas neodesk improv desktop for atari univers iii improv file selector for atari miscellan softwar includ uniterm commun softwar will price will trade atari system for qualiti includ lap top hardwar complet system not john ladaski ladaski netcom great compos not borrow talk music steal john ladaski danc architectur quot stolen stravinski elvi costello lauri stole statement made anderson frank zappa pablo picasso paint stole properti theft groucho man chariti heart music confuciu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	comtrad had experi bui comput comtrad ask repli describ problem return defect hard drive expect problem comtrad carlisl thacker miami
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	motherboard advic need clearer intel that us put togeth system motherboard that local vendor sell run mhz guess can cross finger and hope cpu run that speed mark advic and board socket oscil and head local electron store for info
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	question instal pa and bought pa yesterdai and instal into gatewai instruct and set side dma and irq default and pa side dma and irq question configur for mpu compat manual and instal program recommend irq machin configur cascad irq can us irq choos mpu emul mode turn thi cascad irq busi relat question bu machin owner told that dma bit dma and bit dma bit bu master dma dma channel us bu extens bit dma anoth question instal pa link golf game will hang machin select mode and run work adlib mode civil work fine bodi wrong newbi john
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	cpu fan jim johnson abcd houghton jim johnson write speak cpu fan us clip make you us heat sink greas heat transfer tape you will wast your monei cpu fan heat sink you recommend chip heat sink sandwich cpu and fan talk cpu fan blow directli cpu chip can heat sink greas even desir edward mcclanahan edm wr
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	heard syntrex friend recent bought us brand syntrex didn come document and find inform comput question heard you drop note you diana sartoriu dsartori washington edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	will explain mhz not popular fast not faster mhz for certian applic mhz motherboard you had plan upgrad chip futur miss sinc bui add don even mention lot matt
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	modem problem dialton dudek acsu buffalo edu cybard write isa compat insight infotel intern fax data modem quicklinkii for window put modem pull phone jack anoth room and ran phone line extens surg protector and comput modem work fine split line jack room ran line into room into surg protector and comput regular phone and plug that into phone jack modem us modem quicklinkii dialton phone plug into back comput work fine unplug phone dice that phone line split time don understand thi problem sinc phone work fine note softwar hardwar paramet chang phone line modem faulti can swap phone cabl back modem golden gryphon gryphon openag crown jewel american prison system presid bill clinton live white hous openag premier sco unix integr washington area
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	comment texel rom drive sought recommend warn texel rom drive competitor for rom drive for connect pa scsi port hal brand llnl brand addvax llnl gov
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	voicemail modem work alot ad for voicemail fax data modem thi cool work don want call and connect sound fax machin work plai brand and info that kent
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ad scsi drive coupl point articl apr physchem mark physchem mark jackson write articl apr oracl oracl ebosco oracl eric bosco write bui scsi contol adaptec good kind expens good board region want compat and unix net that scsi and scsi drive thi true adapt drive type drive quantum that adaptec for monei adaptec and happi connect drive adapt scsi cabl and power cabl worri power suppli watt and power two floppi and seagat drive dont you can mix two type drive you scsi id card that you will turn your id not id and adaptec box and can us disk time id scsi disk copi that anythi forget appreci lost eric ebosco oracl mark mark physchem statement and correct gui gui dawson hoskyn group plc guyd hoskyn tel hoskyn guyd austin ibm tel ibm austin usa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ad scsi drive can coexist id articl apr oracl oracl ebosco oracl eric bosco write articl apr physchem mark physchem mark jackson write articl apr oracl oracl ebosco oracl eric bosco write dont you can mix two type drive you scsi id card that you will turn your id thi true impress that peopl net had scsi and id work togeth run home cumpter turn boot bsd id drive system scsi drive adaptec and name cheapo id card that anythi forget appreci lost eric ebosco oracl mark mark physchem gui gui dawson hoskyn group plc guyd hoskyn tel hoskyn guyd austin ibm tel ibm austin usa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hercul vlb coupl month ago hercul graphit card pretti nice board fairli fast and quit compat even handl svga mode whine occas time bui vlb system check card back want vlb card and purchas fahrenheit vlb card thi card fairli fast will refresh not compat rom svga thing conjectur that graphic board run higher resolut program modern board not straight answer monitor magnavox top pretti good match that for wife purchas viewson for and for graphic card drive want refresh and handl rom orchid thing robert wietek that modif driver data base thought back hercul suppos come vlb version graphit end march heard precis sinc card releas and capabl and price info appreci geoff sherwood
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	vlb bu master problem rbrown spchp bbn ralph brown write hear run motherboard shut cach heard ami enterpris iii eisa vlb ultrastor edward mcclanahan edm wr
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	heard asu brand motherboard heard thi board will work bsd linux local vendor thi brand mail david munoz munoz bcstec boe
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ad second id drive bought western digit caviar id drive and want add system id drive control support hard drive plug cabl bio setup and start system paus and invalid drive error messag system boot cannot access hard drive jumper each drive that set for work drivemust set master drive and set slave drive actual set info drive western digit
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai flash bio upgrad articl apr utxvm utexa edu dcoleman utxvm utexa edu daniel coleman write gatewai releas flash bio updat for local bu system such nice person upload wuarchiv wustl edu for glb ex msdo upload section enjoi notic thi readm that come doesn you squat warn you that bad thing happen idea can for term perform tim
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	scsi do ad drive problem ad hard drive scsi do futur domain scsi board and maxtor scsi drive instal work great haven had problem want disk space and and anoth larger scsi hard disk think had add chain pin ribbon that connector and run fdisk program format initi disk that didn happen boot scsi prom shoot back devic that attach board target target target disk run do fdisk program format disk choos select anoth disk option do and voila not two disk show problem disk found argh idea advanc mike migkil figueroa sun microsystem comput corpor mail maf corp sun work sierra hotel and check six falcon
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor nanao articl kehchengc netcom kehcheng netcom keh cheng chu write articl eskimo johnn eskimo john navitski write monitor that can handl high resolut want high resolut versit monitor thi monitor not larg meet requir outlin happi sun and cope smaller home interest detail high qualiti soni and hitatchi monitor sinc us sun fairli and pretti good haven brought mag and viewson give viewson good side side viewson mag nanao not trinitron and soni oem trinitron tube viewson beat easili term pictur qualiti and superior sun that stare place ask for bought had not bought nanao week earlier keh cheng tube viewson us support philip soni trinitron tube digit control support and dot pitch can found for brian schaufenbuel brian schaufenbuel art govern sooner learn helser halst that drain monei pocket am peopl colleg student adam smith
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	cardin bu graphic card experi familiar cardin bu graphic card know you capabl keith
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ibm colordisplai for monitor appear function unhook standard cga ega vga will plug fuzzi diagon nois graphic board that appar graphic board doubl card bit bu connector and pin femal connector pictur monitor plug two into standard avail can connect monitor rel high qualiti curiou special driver and setup need can locat jumper card
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai zeo compar bui comput mail order gatewai systen and zeo system term price ungrad servic canada can level servic state you for advic thoma
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	magitron bb found dtk custom support bb magitron run hand that possibl card made manufactur and doc driver email directli you happen number lee lee tosspot
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	linear mode heard linear mode for video memori linearli acces usual page thi can enabl and address video memori map mostert stellenbosch rsa mostert sun
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai flash bio upgrad daniel coleman dcoleman utxvm utexa edu wrote gatewai releas flash bio updat for local bu system such nice person upload wuarchiv wustl edu for glb ex msdo upload section enjoi blindli instal and haven had problem notic differ note that not backup previou bio you can tool that ship rob live edg laddish robert laddish hewlett packard santa rosa telnet mail stop usr robl
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor articl hvd gazett bcm tmc edu tso cephalo neusc bcm tmc edu dan write articl pisw mcgill gerardi mcgill gif emporium write nec nec fge differ accucolor experi opinion peopl us nec appreci sinc want exam week and great haven nanao can compar imag sharp and color contrast extrem good us trinitron monitor sun color monitor trinitron and good perhap brighter and silli horizont line run across btw wrong thought that fge slower miss accucolor not handl can mag fge can cheer dan div neurosci baylor colleg medicin baylor plaza houston tso cephalo neusc bcm tmc edu newsgraz nextstep new reader post uqr fuo eqm vqe rye fye vqe fuc vel fet fqe fyo vy vea vye vat fen fet fen vxi vye fyi vyg vat vqo ven vae sdx ryn ryb vtn
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor rgb sync vga monitor bnc and expect composit sync signal green black box that take vga signal horiz vert and composit sync pin and pair and merg green and composit sync togeth output analog can build thi amp don can shield handl frequenc involv lot shadow and junk screen vga rgb composit sync green convert paul vixi dec network system lab palo alto california usa don rebel conformist vixi dec decwrl vixi thing find paul vix vixi paul your path and stai
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hot cpu kushmer bnlux bnl gov christoph kushmerick write hot cpu machin get hot that can not hold finger for big fan blow heat sink advic don hold your finger cook us small pan and not spill liquid compon you not plan cook number small cool fan design mount chip and plug into your power suppli consum shopper innov person design and produc heat sink us coffe warm even bui pentium
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	date stuck your date time problem you problem dalla clock chip make possibl bad assumpt that your system clock chip and that standard dalla clock chip batteri and clock chip such thing wrong action mel white data servic citi garland texa mel white dragon tworaven lonestar org two raven bb asp member bb fidonet your window world mba listserv tworaven lonestar org
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hercul vlb articl apr adob sherwood adob geoffrei sherwood write that for wife purchas viewson for and for graphic card drive want refresh and handl rom orchid thing robert wietek that modif driver data base thought back hercul suppos come vlb version graphit end march heard precis sinc card releas and capabl and price hmm your rom program oddbal vga mode end thi month releas limit quantiti quit back order meg version will come bit sinc you viewson khz horizont frequenc you gonna love meg version can can mil and bit bad don such high bandwidth monitor mode khz monitor you us lower refresh rate you want info come graphit you ibm hardwar section compuserv ibmhw video sig hercul rep that help stephen lau elec engin univ hawaii don account grad school start autumn death synthesi gu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	promis techhnolog cach id control articl dove nist gov livigni bldrdoc gov david livigni write for place experi promis technolog cach id control order instal and question easi us kind tsr complet transpar system board that won chang bio configur easi us ordinari control you don chang bio config transpar id drive will work drive configur explic for type drive instal transpar work drive you chang drive you chang bio config usual will work dual drive system master and slave problem will smartdriv do buffer that depend you will perform you us smartdriv and buffer addit that access card isa bu slower access system ram don us smartdriv buffer promis technolog control good inform greatli appreci david livigni livigni bldrdoc gov state opinion rule great peopl you greatli admir think deep thought think lunch stig
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	phone number for mitsumi touch mitsumi number frank pikeln technic assist depart comput scienc york univers toronto canada internet frank yorku
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ultrastor ultrascsi bodi experi ultrastor ultrascsi driver packag phone number for ultrastor not book and cannot find compani list comput shopper advanc toni kwong
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	info motherboard warehous can share experi good bad temp vendor name motherboard warehous purchas board sell point dai full monei back guarante advanc dave masten beta lanl gov
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ad scsi drive can coexist id articl apr oracl oracl ebosco oracl eric bosco write dont you can mix two type drive you scsi id card that you will turn your id thi true impress that peopl net had scsi and id work togeth had scsi and id drive work togeth for year scsi supposedli pretti transpar type drive esdi rll id etc oftentim you correct driver work odd environ for inform purpos had card drive and maxtor drive gener id control run togeth had scsi setup work combin rll drive drive
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	mac modem port serial port cabl connect mac modem port serial port can provid wire diagram for null modem lead for thi setup us email sinc new feed bit quirki advanc sean gordon sean gordon dunde ncr includ stdio ncr long main for tel for printf fax for
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	cpu fan nmp mfltd nic perciv wrote mhz system and get fan for cpu processor run hot touch thi stuff delet week and custom built and for power and cool cpu cooler thi precis ball bear motor pretti substanti heat sink happen fail dissip heat bare chip attach peel adhes thi full size case fan graviti favor nervou find fan bottom tower case happen cpu fan that power drive cabl board type fan isa board coupl fan mount power slot don effect comment cpu cool touch pcp unit connect for dai deliveri cord you don spare lead power suppli pcp make power suppli imho channel cambridg
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	problem parallel write program that parallel port problem that gener interrupt ack line puls can thi occur onc unabl gener succes interrupt can suggest resolv thi problem
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	canon canada leav full address for canon canada you uci net amiga apapout lotd
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	motherboard manufactur thi slot for bought net mini tower system work fine doc motherboard manufactur name wpi that mark board that not relat chip connector name wpi thi board connector end motherboard thi batt socket for math coprocessor chip sign isa slot jumper for turbo etc mark sign bank simm socket connector mysteri connector thi connector thi place plug extra memori board thatr mention motherboard doc meg card and meg simm thi for phil phil hunt wherev you you howtek inc internet phil howtek decvax harvard howtek phil
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	window driver for cirru graphic card upload recent window driver for cirru chip base displai card upload directori ftp cica indiana edu file zip recent download cirru bb last night you unabl email and can upload site local bu base card bitblast micron driver work isa card includ driver for found driver signific improv version improv graphic winmark million thi result intent benchmark cheat cirru part don steve gibson columnist for info world graphic card comparison found cica ftp site name winadv zip extract for sake comparison wintach winbn word sprsht cad paint steve system vlb ati graphic ultra pro system vlb bitblast viper hell deal cost ati card and compar card includ gibson review micron system owner interest hear your opinion dtc local bu disk control system maxtor drive and give disk winmark thi good get can norton sysinfo disk read contol intercept call that program oliv weatherbe oliv earthview
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	micron comput owner read upload recent window driver for cirru chip base displai card upload directori ftp cica indiana edu file zip recent download cirru bb last night you unabl email and can upload site local bu base card bitblast micron driver work isa card includ driver for found driver signific improv version improv graphic winmark million thi result intent benchmark cheat cirru part don steve gibson columnist for info world graphic card comparison found cica ftp site name winadv zip extract for sake comparison wintach winbn word sprsht cad paint steve system vlb ati graphic ultra pro system vlb bitblast viper hell deal cost ati card and compar card includ gibson review micron system owner interest hear your opinion dtc local bu disk control system maxtor drive and give disk winmark thi good get can norton sysinfo disk read contol intercept call that program oliv weatherbe oliv earthview
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor nanao us nanao multisync and switch window and sparc displai work quit resolut michael busbi unix system support system engin design environ autom compaq comput corpor internet mcb compaq box uunet uunet cpqhou michaelb houston texa usa phone armadillo texa speed bump view opinion mine alon
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	card show address and irq intern modem that configur irq insert that card into do show irq and address into debug and dump data show address belong even modem modem work correctli sinc test and show correctli irq make work do configur modem irq comm program that that fax program that modem not work comput displai modem set run diagnost program and not displai modem and displai not window thi do problem pointer appreci for reason thi modem work switch port not answer last time post thi not do specif answer thi time includ specif inform avinash chopd avinash acm org avinash chopd avinash acm org avinash genesi nred
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gig scsi rpm drive rate notic recent prolifer gig scsi drive fujitsu and micropoli maxtor lxt rpm gig drive quit cheap and nice year warranti question catch type scsi drive us servic gener for manufactur price like for reason michael taylor
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	do articl mosqu huji dny huji danni halamish write instal do system and stacker friend instal two system stacker not singl problem perhap minor bug config sy menu help instal do comput mine includ bought stacker doublespac convert and work fine coupon for convert case run doublespac instal problem compress drive compress free space work for ofcours not repeat not run program call instal setup sophist auto configur setup instal program that will for you and you never want couldn stop ran normal setup thing and work fine for that worth dblspace crap write slower stacker read slower and compress test made comput disk cach and big file us couldn agre don miss speed faster normal disk read for compress sacrif that favor conveni dblspace bin load stacker your config sy autoexec bat meant reboot twice updat person wait for stacker come and implement hook and stuff defrag that come do prefer compress tool for sheer bell and whistl defrag sooooo sloooow dblspace drive do quit good reformat disk honestli don understand you had thi ditto koberg
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	need instal id novic mess comp hardwar origin id western digit system bought and id maxtor that want add slave drive chang jumper set maxtor configur slave drv didn chang western dig sinc didn doc and predict beep and gave error messag hdd control had instal thi matter appreci trash thankx handi trisakti mizzou missouri edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	scsi id bottom line you choos and lot peopl increas data transfer rate hard drive id drive seagat and standard id control card isa think ad anoth rang and think hard bui scsi drive scsi for futur benefit get sec transfer thi number compar bought state art scsi card for isa and state art scsi hard drive system hope for monei factor into thi choic you want us your isa system and cost line kind transfer rate id bui top line id cach control for and cost for comment randi
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	floptic drive curiou floptic drive never catch rememb disk that and feel floppi drive scsi devic and can read and write and disk sound great product for market price that unafford compar rom not rewrit rewrit cd and expect soni develop md for comput question isn substanti interest develop floptic thought kin chan sparrow cmu edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	promplem panason printer articl apr vill edu vill edu dharmesh chovatia write panason inherit document give problem that resolv thi you talk assum you forgot paper light refus thi light power light not blink mean that power turn you panel read power paper start blink turn power beep don thi you paper that line green light lit simultan red paper light remain lit not blink you power printer assum paper red power light flash doubl paper light and second green onlin light come hope thi help jim includ std disclaim ial internet jim ial mythic graham ieee org icbm amateur radio ial zbb walton beach amtor selcal nial mail for inform kamterm host mode for kantron tnc
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	scan model recent pick page scanner name scan model softwar for made for per window window and will not work newwer window kow find compani that made thi beast copyright and name gm divis dest compani exist and email address freewar sharewar programm that access thi scanner advanc and email thi group scroll quickli akasac alfr cc carleton aka alexand kasac master public administr programm carleton univers opinion express mine admit
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want hard drive bui trade upgrad hard drive bigger sinc find kinda cramp space althuogh never fill extra comfort meg sell trade newish meg bigger hard drive for straight and trade mail back johng matt ksu ksu edu offer sell hard drive for you want western digit id that not transfer rate pretti fast faster roommat teac drive addstor run and had for month never had problem and guarante work delivere john love maxtor hard drive
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want motherboard sell us motherboard you price and specif interest bui trident vga card meg park
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	isa vlb xor eisa advic want thu apr gmt glen osterhout glen tegra wrote articl apr julian uwo rmitch iru rri uwo ross mitchel write choic basic system isa and vlb eisa and vlb and local bu version ati card keep mind that primarili interest last two task april issu magazin publish benchmark for ati ultrapro run vlb and eisa eisa vlb thi wighten speed avarag for window task origin poster ross mitchel primari interst manipul larg imag impli move lot data memori card benchmark thi task penio penev internet penev venezia rockefel edu disclaim oppinion mine
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	diamond product boycot fri apr gmt markfri fellensiek in mdw monash edu wrote you bui system view run unix linux bsd etc special softwar good chanc that will not work diamond card thi due diamond proprieti attitud hardwar imposs free inform chip specif dot clock pai and sign disclosur agreement thi made imposs for free softwar foundat provid window compat card diamond didn want divulg program neccess and post diamond bad attitut towar custom order and actixg vlb card will ariv dai penio penev internet penev venezia rockefel edu disclaim oppinion mine
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	scsi do ad drive articl jethro corp sun maf corp sun mike figueroa write problem ad hard drive scsi do futur domain scsi board and maxtor scsi drive instal work great haven had problem want disk space and and anoth larger scsi hard disk think had add chain pin ribbon that connector and run fdisk program format initi disk that didn happen boot scsi prom shoot back devic that attach board target target target disk run do fdisk program format disk choos select anoth disk option do and voila not two disk show problem disk found argh idea advanc adaptec scsi card that come version fdisk problem do that will two hard disk devic driver mark mark physchem
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	chain id drive articl badri cab badri ualberta badri jason theodor write set conner and quantum drive conner set master and quantum set slave doesn work access drive boot floppi drive will not boot run msdo and conner partit primari do and format system file type setup and even chang id control card boot floppi work great boot part system doesn report error messag hang suggest run into similar problem think that updat bio drive thi suggest answer greatli appreci repli jason badri badri ualberta make that hard disk you want boot set activ fdisk program that come do mark mark physchem
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai monitor problem wave asg new udel edu jlredd ravel udel edu joshua smith write onc gatewai monitor problem can apprieci advanc local bu machin crystal scan inch monitor meg loca memori ati ultra pro mach driver newest releas problem window us mode shadow side screen and blurri type corner type screen focu replac video card and replac monitor that help pleae thi frustruat problem remov monitor extens cabl report that extens cabl caus problem
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	scsi do ad drive articl apr physchem mark physchem mark jackson write articl jethro corp sun maf corp sun mike figueroa write problem ad hard drive scsi do futur domain scsi board and maxtor scsi drive instal work great haven had problem want disk space and and anoth larger scsi hard disk think had add chain pin ribbon that connector and run fdisk program format initi disk that didn happen boot scsi prom shoot back devic that attach board target target target disk run do fdisk program format disk choos select anoth disk option do and voila not two disk show problem disk found adaptec scsi card that come version fdisk problem do that will two hard disk devic driver odd fdisk work fine for id drive and scsi drive ultrastor devic driver load
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor nanao good report list good monitor thi month issu comput shopper magazin phone munber and april issu sam gosh instal viru call do don copi that floppi burn love window crash
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	vlb scsi card suggest gisi wam umd edu satan wrote can recommend decent vesa local bu scsi control card post for ultrastor and wonder thi good choic support card that softwar march beta will recogn buslog announc fast scsi vlb interfac april thi happen week isa version enjoi spectacular perform micropoli rpm drive chang difficult imagin even higher transfer speed bit vesa support you can call buslog and question hear that support excel not had call regard channel cambridg
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	do articl apr ucsu colorado edu koberg spot colorado edu allen koberg write articl mosqu huji dny huji danni halamish write dblspace crap write slower stacker read slower and compress test made comput disk cach and big file us couldn agre don miss speed faster normal disk read for compress koberg recal read review articl comput report reduct load time for lengthi program stacker thi not due compress algorithm per fact that fewer fetch requir sequenti file access actual perform number relat speed stacker and dblspace
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	articl zgc rpi edu arnolm aix rpi edu matthew richard arnold write will explain mhz not popular fast not faster mhz for certian applic mhz motherboard you had plan upgrad chip futur miss sinc bui add don even mention thing for that clock speed compli vesa local bu spec lanc hartmann lanc hartmann austin ibm ibmpa awdpa ibm that percent sign network address statement comment opinion etc reflect author and not misconstru ibm for that matter
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	diamond product boycot articl apr monu monash edu in mdw monash edu markfri fellensiek write diamond video card stealth viper speedstar etc excel specif and window driver that come make window blindingli fast fellow diamond video board owner correspond not share your opinion proprietari clock scheme chat not thrill window driver mode work fine strang misdrawn object trail etc voic strong discont diamond ambival attitud driver come hear and lot complaint ati board recent word build code acceler video board driver for window mode function properli lanc hartmann lanc hartmann austin ibm ibmpa awdpa ibm that percent sign network address statement comment opinion etc reflect author and not misconstru ibm for that matter
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	led connector for motherboard articl last newsgroup comp sy ibm hardwar nstassen magnu ac ohio state edu nicki stassen lantz subject led connector for motherboard date thu apr bought motherboard for document appear work troubl get led connector work look manual for motherboard pin configur doesn thi board thi pin arrang familiar hint can find thi inform speaker keylock board jumper vertic across two pin can power keylock work across pin reset across pin and shown press space for quit for prefer not blow experiment date board opti chip and you advanc stassen lantz end file press return quit nicji reali reali you chipset and board upgrad not board and and bio sam gosh instal viru call do don copi that floppi burn love window crash
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id drive instal problem articl last newsgroup comp sy ibm hardwar qwerti tunisia ssc gov kri schludermann subject id drive instal problem date thu apr troubl instal second id drive promis id cach control drive conner and work fine second drive conner unjump slave drive problem slave drive recogn report back free space disabl cach made effect check for krispi end file press return quit krispi let start promis control that you ther made that noth instal state you run fdisk and partisit and format your finish fdisk oper sam gosh instal viru call do don copi that floppi burn love window crash
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai zeo compar articl yetti yorku chin lam write bui comput mail order gatewai systen and zeo system term price ungrad servic canada can level servic state don canada heard peopl translat work papua quinea that and had good respons servic anoth bui john anderson texa instrument inc internet anderson dseg box compuserv plano fax
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai monitor problem you notic that problem peopl that run window gosh instal viru call do don copi that floppi burn love window crash
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bio password hope that that can student chang ami bio password comput and set for bypass remov password switch bio avail batteri solder bord machin guarente that can remov batteri isak isak venter itbijv puknet puk monei can bui happi sure pai for illus
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	diamond product boycot articl apr monu monash edu in mdw monash edu markfri fellensiek write you bui system view run unix linux bsd etc special softwar good chanc that will not work diamond card that special softwar free xfree vendor that sell diamond driver for commerci unic charg thi due diamond proprieti attitud hardwar imposs free inform chip specif dot clock pai and sign disclosur agreement sign pai thi violat fsf polici public code thi made imposs for free softwar foundat provid window compat card diamond didn want divulg program neccess thi true fix for bought diamond card linux for exampl util that will put card vesa mode invok thi mean fine tune diamond card thi will stuck us linux agre mark suggest you bui video card for special free softwar avoid diamond you fix that can you jame jjctc chevron shortest distanc jtsiao netcom two pun straight line linux freeli distribut unix clone for
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	consum warn midwest micro ohio midwest micro articl last newsgroup comp dcom modem comp sy ibm hardwar misc consum wilson schaefer math wisc edu bob wilson subject consum warn midwest micro ohio date thu apr post almost bad experi midwest micro new program paragraph middl addit fact that modem had order two wouldn work document and tech person had clue work turn that two modem us tech thought that standard practic and modem made floppi drive quit work and cm tape drive start run that incompet thing that sell us stuff and won even apolog for anoth stai crook bob wilson shown press space for quit for wilson math wisc edu end file press return quit bob walk into micro center cleveland area and bought track ball and pick that seal plastic rap home and op find good year us dirti track ball warranti card for softwar packag never even instal that look us you call medwest micro and made pu pull tag pick and you ner dai thing know equip gosh instal viru call do don copi that floppi burn love window crash
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor nanao adri koolen adri ica philip wrote articl wkx frv new iastat edu schauf iastat edu brian schaufenbuel write tube viewson us support philip soni trinitron tube digit control support and dot pitch can found for origin poster john navitski that us monitor sparcstat gener pictur not offici set thi resolut and refresh rate and sync screen tube couldn handl thi speed work perfectli don tube viewson khz horizont bandwidth you can pretti high ran mine fast orchid drive claim support experi that sinc spec sheet front type crt dot pitch deg deflect rgb mediou short persis tint anti static anti glare anti reflect input signal rgb analog ohm set for sync separ ttl composit sync green horizont freq khz vertic freq compat vga interlac mac iici and control contrast bright posit size degauss voltag color temp sync select color tune moir video band witdth mhz max bright white flat field misconverg max center max corner dimens weight lb don mean and don verifi accuraci type thing hype sheet doubl quadupl dynam astigmat focu mean us two lens advanc invar shadow mask viewmatch color control claim and easi us system that adjust color close match printer output figur thi translat separ control for red green and blue thi make easi match for printer output hype monitor pleasant sharp clear and isn bad nec for reflect geoff sherwood
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bio password student chang ami bio password comput and set for bypass remov password switch bio avail batteri solder bord machin guarente that can remov batteri bio password short power suppli cmo memori therebi eras thi will remov password will destroi previou bio set you and set jumper motherboard provid for purpos short batteri you short thi jumper briefli and interrupt power cmo long eras imagin thi your board futur suggest that you set password and leav setup that can and reset set password you us had thi bunch for reason dale dale nurden nurden elain und technic ordin dept electron engin durban youth radio univers natal durban durban south africa south africa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	articl last newsgroup comp sy ibm hardwar arnolm aix rpi edu matthew richard arnold subject date wed apr will explain mhz not popular fast not faster mhz for certian applic mhz motherboard you had plan upgrad chip futur miss sinc bui add don even mention lot matt end file press return quit reali simpl make mother board that run bu mhz sam gosh instal viru call do don copi that floppi burn love window crash
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	isa graphic card info sourc that dull request thi newgroup for coupl week and didn make mind bought machin not long ago disconnect world for run mhz till last januari machin bought equip ati vga graphic card nice pictur and window driver pretti stabl problem that quit slow for faster card not rang lot comment product last week didn pictur clear make choic question direct sourc inform quest inform refresh rate card provid qualiti window driver standard vga perform window stuff direct magazin articl that winvid zip info not you isa card you satisfi thi inform us system configur fujikama mhz isa system contaq motherboard monitor dariu interlac multisync can reach khz horizont standard for video driver screen dimens and screen posit write eprom graphic card thi case ati card and conveni chang graphic mode sinc monitor not intellig record set merci avanc for inform you kind provid gui lamouch lamouch er umontr
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	do articl apr ucsu colorado edu koberg spot colorado edu allen koberg write stacker your config sy autoexec bat meant reboot twice updat thi not you modifi config sy real boot partit disk you can manual copi stacker boot likewis autoexec bat privat note jennif fakult thi post sarcasm cycnic ironi humor awar thi possibl and not confus and thrown for loop doubt assum owner thi account not responsibl for your confus result your inabl recogn read your risk jennif
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai monitor problem monitor problem system micron comput mag monitor gatewai and symptom thi remov monitor extens cabl for info
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai high price for gatewai system isn cheap system micron comput meg ram maxtor local bu id meg video card and monitor system ship sold chip that and bought total price
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	articl mec usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu sam latonia write arnolm aix rpi edu matthew richard arnold subject date wed apr will explain mhz not popular fast not faster mhz for certian applic mhz motherboard you had plan upgrad chip futur miss sinc bui add don even mention lot matt reali simpl make mother board that run bu mhz sam thi isn quit true depend number local bu slot and whether not devic integr into mother board run local bu and mhz spoken peopl run standard local bu video card mhz troubl and coupl peopl couldn card work that speed brian bjoppi ucdavi edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	cpu fan articl apr mfltd nmp mfltd write mhz system and get fan for cpu processor run hot touch thi fairli good idea long ago electron train read that region chip that defin junction gate etc slowli diffus time and thi increas temperatur hot chip spec sooner cpu fan type glue tape clip inch squar and larger favorit inch plastic toyo fan us plop top chip open case servic you remov cpu scoket instal fan depend mount cpu fan deriv power spare drive power line manufactur smart had troubl cpu fan that blanket effect doesn chip life evid that cpu fan complet wast monei longer system life make good econom sens fan attach glue clip melt chees not melt chees roughli cooler will cpu fan oppos let you touch surfac rule thumb for cool solid state advert read claim info appreci attach fan slick and work bother potenti loss cool fan power suppli fan you can reach back dai and feel fan blow prefer put stock fan drive bracket front panel blow air across cpu depend lot case and board layout chip fan fry electron bai area stock power suppli fan for steve
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	quiet fan power suppli distractingli loud found solut run peac and quiet short bui notebook don yeah hear power suppli call silenc suppos quiet had experi thi quot price for watt silenc even consid stuf case acoust printer enclosur that wouldn eleg solut guess that cut ventil idea advanc for suggest mail you post alexand lerman alerman netcom voic
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	lib wav driver lib card can plai mid file window cannot plai startup wav file call microsoft cannot call lib sinc belli special driver that for thi libvanc ommon pchang sunysb edu ens state univers york stoni brook ngineer
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	notebook post thi onc didn receiv respons for good notebook for two favorit zeo freestyl and micro winbook appl powerbook style trackbal and handrest and slc suggest love hear two mention advanc jrl jame lendino comput scienc phone columbia internet jrl cunixa columbia edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	isa can us meg ram not comput liter can cannot ram meg isa machin mail advanc charlei
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	maxtor jumper set jumper set for master and slave oper maxtor id hard disk advanc erik svensson er skanska tel skanska data danderyd sweden fax
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	cpu fan russest ampex steve russel write delet attach fan slick and work bother potenti loss cool fan power suppli fan you can reach back dai and feel fan blow thi valid concern imho directli attach fan unit fan stop chip cool good bit wors heat sink word fan stop unit turn into insul and chip hot suffer perman damag not stop work temporarili prefer put stock fan drive bracket front panel blow air across cpu depend lot case and board layout zeo tower case passiv heat sink cpu and locat front fan suck air into case blow heat sink that fan stop heat sink cool convect air flow not dramat temperatur rise essenti arrang you talk and good idea imho chip fan fry electron bai area stock power suppli fan for steve devilbiss col
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bio replac isa ami bio and opti chipset think replac ami bio chip date date not for reason mess question and plug care precaut can bio chip compusa mailord live orang counti california date version import you for your paul
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	port problem and mous want spoilt port will creat problem mous mous get stuck screen for and press button move sharewar util program diagnos port ming
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ad second id drive articl ulowel ulowel edu mcook ulowel edu michael cook write bought western digit caviar id drive and want add system id drive control support hard drive plug cabl bio setup and start system paus and invalid drive error messag system boot cannot access hard drive drive work fine drive alon not drive work time appreci mike you run fdisk eric
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	floppi problem floppi drive stop recogn low densiti floppi control and drive work fine anoth system told dma chip system chip technolog chip set open suggest send your repli ken jazz concert net advanc
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	can set answer gatewai servic confirm suspicion echo coupl peopl respond origin request for ati vlb video board address for suggest work will return card suppli for even not possibl work for credit bu mous thi will free port bad origin salesman suggest card bu mous solv for port didn hardwar that system work problem hardwar softwar john siegel bnc cbnewsh att
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	diamond product boycot articl xwri npe austin ibm lanc hartmann austin ibm ibmpa awdpa ibm write articl apr monu monash edu in mdw monash edu markfri fellensiek write come hear and lot complaint ati board recent word build code build number problem shear font for instanc you crystal font enabl problem color darken and don us driver mode bug mode can acceler video board driver for window mode function properli honest found bug diamond viper driver and innocu that microsoft word select format border click shade and pattern pattern swap and list complet revers onscreen anoth machin gup machin print and show badli mind that us mode can speak for driver pretti solid big noisi and oper rescu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bu hdd fdd control id hdd fdd control hpsgm sgp taybh hpsgm sgp beng hang tai write bui quantum lp hardisk and decid hdd fdd control bit bu hdd fdd control faster bit id hdd fdd control card hear that bu control slower id control true id adapt can faster normal id depend drive you us and board you us nonam id contr test coretest cheap seagat and caviar you figur jumper set control reliabl diskaccess fastest set get coretest not work reliabl you shadow adapt bio fast speed haven us id cach control speed twice dieter dieter fritzsch dieter dischw toppoint maehlsweg kiel germani master wom tel voic fax box zyxel fast waffl fax compuserv
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	comtrad articl apr enh nist gov thacker enh nist gov write had experi bui comput comtrad ask repli describ problem return defect hard drive expect problem comtrad carlisl thacker miami purchas person comput and for busi problem time call tech support for minor question video driver and had problem get machin high qualiti and made eisa machin network file server run hr per dai sinc last summer problem hope thi help allen mulvei mulvei blurt oswego edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai monitor problem joshua smith jlredd ravel udel edu wrote onc gatewai monitor problem can apprieci advanc local bu machin crystal scan inch monitor meg loca memori ati ultra pro mach driver newest releas problem window us mode shadow side screen and blurri type corner type screen focu replac video card and replac monitor that help pleae thi frustruat problem meg card crystal scan inch faint shadow left side screen mode not bother charact screen clear turn crystal font becom blurri friend meg video card shadow crystal font crystal clear build mach driver monitor extens cabl build driver and found differ tim king tcking uswnvg west newvector group inc bellevu washington
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ibm link imagewrit articl uupcb ozonehol chri crayton ozonehol chri crayton write larri henson had unmitig gall thi hook appl imagewrit ibm clone problem configur lpt port accept thi can you adjust baud pariti etc fit system mode not work can post mail lpt port don recogn baud pariti etc set you tring connect serial printer parallel port thi attach serial port printer serial port us mode command set port set mode set port paramet us mode command redirect printer port lpt thi mode lpt thi work good luck you connect null modem cabl atleast that heard dave
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	null modem cabl kevin kimmel comput scienc german undergrad kimmel vax cn muskingum edu wrote interrest extrodinarili simpl concept null modem cabl idea don count that last statement ask pin us specif want solder bui don even port us pin pin name eia ccitt dte dce descript frame ground transmit data receiv data rt request send ct clear send dsr data set readi signal ground dcd data carrier detect posit test voltag neg test voltag equal mode sdcd scf secondari data carrier detect sct scb secondari clear send std sba secondari transmit data transmitt clock srd sbb secondari receiv clock receiv clock dcr divid clock receiv srt sca secondari request send dtr data termin readi signal qualiti ring indic data rate selector data rate selector transmit clock anoth post don author connect devic wire connect us connect gnd gnd rxd txd txd rxd dtr dsr dsr dtr rt ct ct rt modem connect add line for dcd softwar connect dcd ct and dcd ct bewar pc us pin for rxd and pin for txd modem pin revers thi easili connect pin pin pin pin etc you connect two pc cross rxd and txd hardwar handshak not need call null modem connect can us connect gnd gnd rxd txd txd rxd addition connect softwar rt ct dcd rt ct dcd dtr dsr dtr dsr you won long wire for null modem connect us establish xon xoff transmiss two pc softwar section for detail rememb name dtr dsr ct rt refer line thi mean that for your data set dtr rt incom signal and dsr ct output end michael michael jester gun michael gerhard preussenstrass germani neuss voic
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	low emiss monitor nec make low radiat emiss monitor nec compar nec qualiti and emiss wise tia le le hartzman hartzman kilroi jpl nasa gov jet propuls laboratori oak grove pasadena
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hardcard owner articl usenet in cwru edu evw cwru edu eric wong write problem lost softwar driver and setup program for hardcard can email file develop bought quantum bb phone hardcard quantum bb number good luck le le hartzman hartzman kilroi jpl nasa gov jet propuls laboratori oak grove pasadena
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	joystick disk that had joystick code that you kind mail puke specif for code read posit joystick int access port directli becau memori model consider read and posit brian
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	cpu fan attach fan slick and work bother potenti loss cool fan power suppli fan you can reach back dai and feel fan blow thi valid concern imho directli attach fan unit fan stop chip cool good bit wors heat sink word fan stop unit turn into insul and chip hot suffer perman damag not stop work temporarili suggest slave hook seri small pilot light fan circuit light you your fan not work tom
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	cpu temperatur cpu activ organ compact solut canberra act australia thi naiv question basi for claim that cpu will hotter computation intens job run friend claim that will differ temperatur idl cpu and cpu run computation intens job coursework cpu never idl will continu servic interrupt etc etc clock will run mhz matter suppos depend instruct cpu us circuitri transistor instruct you addit heat gener hand addit tini resistor and spread that heat dissip cpu packag chang temperatur environ surfac packag will neglig cheer ben ben elliston bachelor engin comput engin univers canberra ooo ooo email compsol fir canberra edu ellib cbr cpsg uunet munnari sserv adfa compsol root fidonet origin compact solut canberra act australia
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	disk cach organ compact solut canberra act australia come across problem hard disk lock crash system attempt load disk cach logic board bugger drive work perfectli disk cach hyperdisk and version smartdriv avail advic appreci cach drive extra space second drive cheer ben ben elliston bachelor engin comput engin univers canberra ooo ooo email compsol fir canberra edu ellib cbr cpsg uunet munnari sserv adfa compsol root fidonet origin compact solut canberra act australia
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	read harddriv comput sheridan colleg file make read us do attrib command peopl carri attrib program pocket eras import file softwar packag make entir drive read exampl partit drive into two partit and drive import file can read and second drive you read and write and enquiri appreci mark zander sheridanc
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bio upgrad compaq deskpro howdi recent upgrad origin bio compaq deskpro phoenix replac bio order support id hard drive and high densiti floppi assum that thi plug and plai procedur encount problem that phoenix and compaq unwil admit responsibilti for and wonder had hunki dori floppi will read not write diskett write attempt corrupt fat can taker micah lax freenet carleton micah bnr internet
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	floppi problem organ compact solut canberra act australia floppi drive develop gener failur error teac drive machin and notic dusti us high power air can blow thi dust and quit clean didn problem identifi that machin boot and drive seek for boot disk head movement thi process approxim half length origin time mean period drive light come and head move retract posit track contain boot sector can and save thi drive prefer not shell for can cheer ben ben elliston bachelor engin comput engin univers canberra ooo ooo email compsol fir canberra edu ellib cbr cpsg uunet munnari sserv adfa compsol root fidonet origin compact solut canberra act australia
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	diamond stealth pro vram want info diamond stealth pro vram graphic mode support color mode includ vesa bio for us do program experi bug advantag fast window and do price lass mit mdata
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai monitor problem afriad that not true monitor problem occur whenev mag monitor put into mode run and symptom not video card problem cirru logic chip and ati gup problem two card glenn
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	spec for western digit id friend mine spec for us hard drive western digit id meg cylind and head model number can model info appreci somon western digit phone number
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	grayscal displai below list larg inch diagon monochrom monitor comput shopper list compat omit radiu radiu state that longer support you will notic that nanao support khz horizont frequenc frequenc us vga card boot guess that monitor come graphic card left voic mail nanao ask send literatur and will report back net studi price list price and relationship realiti kenneth almquist cut cornerston technolog concours san jose dualpag diagon inch max resolut frequenc khz horizont vertic dimens inch price compat dualpag diagon inch max resolut frequenc khz horizont vertic dimens inch price compat ikegami electron inc brook av maywood diagon inch max resolut frequenc khz horizont vertic price compat imag system corp tel hopkin lmax diagon inch max resolut frequenc khz horizont vertic dimens inch price compat mac max diagon inch max resolut frequenc khz horizont vertic price compat mac pmax diagon inch max resolut frequenc khz horizont vertic dimens inch price compat mac pmax diagon inch max resolut frequenc khz horizont vertic dimens inch price compat mac nanao usa corp telo av torrenc flexscan diagon inch max resolut frequenc khz horizont vertic dimens inch price compat mac ran ger technolog inc address unknown genui model diagon inch max resolut frequenc khz horizont vertic dimens inch price compat sampo corp america box atlanta imagepro diagon inch max resolut frequenc khz horizont vertic price compat officepro iie diagon inch max resolut frequenc khz horizont vertic price advert april shopper compat samsung electron america inc address unknown you samsung inform system inc san joe pagemast diagon inch max resolut frequenc khz horizont vertic dimens inch price compat mac sigma design inc baysid pkwy freemont view diagon inch max resolut frequenc khz horizont vertic dimens inch price compat mac view multimod diagon inch max resolut frequenc khz horizont vertic dimens inch price compat mac multimod diagon inch max resolut frequenc khz horizont vertic dimens inch price min compat silverview diagon inch max resolut frequenc khz horizont vertic dimens inch price min compat mac
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	cpu temperatur cpu activ articl apr nessi mcc victor comm man victor buttigieg write lino montuno montuno physic wrote thi naiv question basi for claim that cpu will hotter computation intens job run total agre your friend sinc cpu appar idl fact churn million instruct per second check for keyboard input for instanc except thi for cpu us laptop cpu can enter idl state preserv current statu absolut noth thi case hardwar interrupt iapx famili halt instruct that cpu ceas process instruct cpu resum process reset receiv extern hardwar interrupt thi power manag facil victor mention whether oper system idl loop halt instruct anoth matter kenneth ballou voic oberon softwar inc fax memori drive cambridg internet ballou oberon view and opinion express and not necessarili reflect employ
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	scsi id bottom line articl apr msc cornel edu randi ellingson write you choos and id dro box and id and scsi unix box id dro box co hard disk scsi unix box co scsi hard disk rom and tape bought scsi make ad devic easier for price irq and dma type devic connect faster drive for scsi dec dsp that reali averag seek time find data faster toshiba drive lot peopl increas data transfer rate hard drive id drive seagat and standard id control card isa don that scsi will increas your data transfer isa bu think ad anoth rang and think hard bui scsi drive scsi for futur benefit get sec transfer pretti good thi number compar bought state art scsi card for isa and state art scsi hard drive system hope for state art scsi disk us mechan state art id drive interfac electroni differ fijitsu drive for exampl monei factor into thi choic you want us your isa system and cost us adaptec unix box and name id card line kind transfer rate id bui top line id cach control for and cost cach control give you that smartdriv for do not extra lower memori that properli configur main memori cach will produc result cach control unix read read data main memori cach that faster standard isa bu can sustain for comment randi gui gui dawson hoskyn group plc guyd hoskyn tel hoskyn guyd austin ibm tel ibm austin usa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	articl mec usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu sam latonia write articl last newsgroup comp sy ibm hardwar arnolm aix rpi edu matthew richard arnold subject date wed apr will explain mhz not popular fast not faster mhz for certian applic mhz motherboard you had plan upgrad chip futur miss sinc bui add don even mention lot matt end file press return quit reali simpl make mother board that run bu mhz sam bu reason mhz motherboard harder mhz fast cach good idea mhz slow make compliant vesa bu mhz chip faster for lot thing good fast cach faster gosh instal viru call do don copi that floppi burn love window crash gui gui dawson hoskyn group plc guyd hoskyn tel hoskyn guyd austin ibm tel ibm austin usa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	isa bu scsi id articl apr msc cornel edu randi msc cornel edu randi ellingson write question delet pa and wast guess hook scsi scsi port yield optimum sec borrow fujitsu hook and trantor driver for pa scsi port thi scsi port scsi port fujitsu scsi scsi scsi pa scsi port count pin board displai and happen junk bunch ground for comment randi gui gui dawson hoskyn group plc guyd hoskyn tel hoskyn guyd austin ibm tel ibm austin usa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	courier sportster articl apr mcshub dcss mcmaster macc mcmaster holli write perhap thi silli question differ robot courier bi extern and sportster extern that price sportster dramat drop below price courier remain knowledg modem that own courier your comment decid bui advanc and that repli robot info want kevin hollyk mcmail ci mcmaster courier lot cooler courier upgrad vfast you give usr monei for that tho sportster modifi dual standard you want void your warante and total piss usr
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	artec monitor manual for artec monitor spec rob malouf malouf csli stanford edu rob malouf malouf csli stanford edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	will ram work articl apr monu monash edu giaec monash edu brett paterson write want upgrad and cheap quot offer motherboard ram will sell board meg ram consist modul simm run nanosecond encount problem point area throw comput problem thi rememb number wait state correct comment gratefulli mail prefer appreci brett paterson not dyslex email giaec monash edu leongatha victoria australia gui gui dawson hoskyn group plc guyd hoskyn tel hoskyn guyd austin ibm tel ibm austin usa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	diamond product boycot articl apr sol ctr columbia edu penev rockefel edu penio penev write fri apr gmt markfri fellensiek in mdw monash edu wrote you bui system view run unix linux bsd etc special softwar good chanc that will not work diamond card thi due diamond proprieti attitud hardwar imposs free inform chip specif dot clock pai and sign disclosur agreement thi made imposs for free softwar foundat provid window compat card diamond didn want divulg program neccess don two main free system and xfree part fsf such and post diamond bad attitut towar custom order and actixg vlb card will ariv dai mail address for diamond penio forward purchas inform penio penev internet penev venezia rockefel edu disclaim oppinion mine gui gui dawson hoskyn group plc guyd hoskyn tel hoskyn guyd austin ibm tel ibm austin usa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	cach hardriv articl apr spartan brocku tmc spartan brocku tim ciceran write read post hard drive unclear thing cach hard drive cach drive separ control can clear thi two scsi hard drive each cach reason for thi drive read request data disk scsi bu busi thi data store bu free and data can transmit drive receiv data written data can come bu faster drive can write disk store disk write situat memori us buffer not cach drive read adead cach tmc tmc spartan brocku gui gui dawson hoskyn group plc guyd hoskyn tel hoskyn guyd austin ibm tel ibm austin usa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	laserjet fax opinion need thi laserjet fax receiv fax and print your iii your word processor you can print straight fax had problem font not work
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	soundblast irq and port set articl pdb kilimanjaro jpl nasa gov pdb ipl jpl nasa gov paul bartholomew write articl shaman tek andrew frip tek andrew klossner wrote lpt disk control call devic devic that requir exclus interrupt ownership disk control and keyboard devic that not requir exclus ownership will share interrupt anoth devic lpt standard isa bu that almost laptop pc us two separ interfac card cannot share interrupt thi due screwup bu design for exampl your soundblast drive interrupt number hold bu wire time depend whether not interrupt thi preclud let anoth card assert interrupt number two devic isa bu share interrupt implement singl card interest you care explain soundblast pro card and printer card share irq successfulli assur you that set irq and that problem comput dtk ibm clone simpl andrew correct can confus two card configur us interrupt can not share interrupt sens that not card activ time exampl for time short free interrupt had tape control not floppi tape that need irq irq tape drive solut us irq us for modem thi reason never modem and tape simultan kermit run instal interrupt handler for irq and serial port tape drive gener interrupt kermit not clue for tape control and sinc tape control not servic like hang likewis tape backup softwar run instal interrupt handler for irq that handler won for serial port do print not interrupt driven bio poll statu parallel port determin anoth byte that you can your sound card and lpt configur us irq that and you kenneth ballou voic oberon softwar inc fax memori drive cambridg internet ballou oberon view and opinion express and not necessarili reflect employ
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	spec for western digit id number for western digit albert dirr internet address dirr tsclion trenton edu tsc student bitnet address dirr tscvm major phone
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	epson action printer for sale two open epson action printer for sale list price compusa ask ship for each friend and printer promot event compusa store area didn printer sell spec for printer pin dot matrix printer cp draft cp nlq sheet paper trai singl sheet print letterhead small footprint can us flat upright quiet oper can support option tractor feeder come full year manufactur warranti interest repli phillyg ac edu trade khoa nguyen
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	quantum lp hard disk phantom seek quantum lp hard disk phantom seek purchas and instal quantum hard drive model lp and concern behavior disk drive behav properli respect file perform call phantom seek absolut idl can hear spurt activ drive second last second thi activ initi strictli drive sinc disk led never come disk led attach disk control card not drive hard disk seagat not thi kind behavior can comment thi strang phenomenon steve harrold swh cup hpg
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	modem ibm clone two serial port and mous port serial port directli sit mother board instal buad hay intern modem doesnt work onc dial number system lock not hear click ring system hang modem pin dip switch select port onc chang set dip switch system start work bought baud hay extern modem and check system work fine serial port intern modem check anoth machin and work fine not work machin can find problem narm gadiraju ngadiraj infonod ingr
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	scsi id articl iisakkil apr beta hut iisakkil beta hut mika iisakkila write randi msc cornel edu write scsi card for do system requir separ devic driver load into memori for each scsi devic hook that board bio enabl you us hard drive directli do drive do limit and you problem id and standard for that matter softwar driver for perform you us you want us devic hard disk disk requir driver for scsi hard drive do not drive maximum hardwar softwar driver
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	samtron interlac colleagu samtron monitor manual cover and for model number manual not interlac interlac mike bitz internet bitzm columbia dsu edu research and develop bitzm dsuvax dsu edu dakota state univers bitnet sdnet bitnet
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	quantum lp hard disk phantom seek thi normal behavior for drive and model drive recalibr adjust for temperatur you leav machin frequenc recalibr
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	write emm driver write driver that remap port thi mean virtual mode virtual mode mean won expand memori manag make emm driver emm code can point emm code sourc morgan morgan edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	chip graphic acceler card made cardex yesterdai and ran winmark test card bu card can displai million colour mode dram come window driver and normal driver driver handl colour and support hicolor and colour winmark result run eisa bu system hint chipset winmark lab driver megapixel sec driver colour result driver special us hardwar featur chip driver normal driver for base graphic card price thi graphic card that local dealer mail order driver come support color resolut result doubl perform base card colour mode philip sinn sinn carson washington edu univers washington opinion
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	articl btb austin ibm lanc hartmann austin ibm lanc har tmann write articl zgc rpi edu arnolm aix rpi edu matthew richard arnold writ will explain mhz not popular fast not faster mhz for certian applic mhz motherboard you had plan upgrad chip futur miss sinc bui add don even mention thing for that clock speed compli vesa local bu spec lanc hartmann lanc hartmann austin ibm ibmpa awdpa ibm coupl problem system manufactur had major problem solv electromagnet interfer problem system get fcc home us certif requir addit shield system heat lot peopl instal heat sink and cool fan chip guess that ran temperatur insid case even hotter and heat enemi system reliabl opinion sole properti below name person edward jen ejen magnu ac ohio state edu academ comput servic ohio state univers
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	consum warn midwest micro ohio articl jqm ebm usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu sam latonia write that custom midwest micro for year and care each purchas had friend that bought that modem and experi set modem problem that fact that your time valuabl for you spend modem you wrong you you ppi modem that had past that us bb junk and replac time each ther point that forget and want monei back ppi teck even that didn even repair that strip part that good and junk thr rest modem your fault midwest mirco faulkt sam gosh instal viru call do don copi that floppi burn love window crash happen idea that custom joe midwast micro techniqu slap name product mislead not origin manufactur that intent mind
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor nanao articl eskimo johnn eskimo john navitski write discuss monitor comp sy ibm hardwar and note that nanao good review interest get inform nanao product that fit bill comput shopper magazin nanao nanao tube manufactur mitsubishi soni trinitron activ screen size diag maximum resolut video bandwidth mhz min max vertcl scan rate khz min max horiz scan rate khz dot pitch sugg list price street price bright contrast posit size converg and color front panel and digit front panel degauss control
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor nanao articl wkx frv new iastat edu schauf iastat edu brian schaufenbuel write tube viewson us support philip soni trinitron tube digit control support and dot pitch can found for you mean viewson matsushita tube comput shopper review fault for below averag sharp and for lack control pincushion degauss converg and color lowest price monitor test and good center edg focu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	mhz standard won run window turbo mode standard comput mhz eisa tower ram quantum hard drive and floppi and colorado tape drive sound blaster pro and ethernet card instal machin complet stabl turbo mode turbo mode window for workgroup crash won come window come gener protect fault and divid system error problem memori keep speed cpu machin reach standard comput phone disconnect happen thi compani yamoh anoth mail order horror stori prefer mail respons don read thi newsgroup
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	headland video vramii ver upgrad info need headland technolog video vramii board that time thi info upgrad thi board mbyte row pin vram chip for piggyback board vram hear that upgrad thi board headland read ing thi piggyback board lai bui upgrad for thi love us thi color mode for time can screen bottom part white strip miss vram surpris even work thi degre last resort will wind sell thi board and get base dumb frame buffer thi vramii editor choic mag info email last resort post thi group advanc
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	arnolm aix rpi edu matthew richard arnold write chip futur miss sinc bui add don even mention mhz extern bu speed hell for cach design board slow cach that make effect point local bu board mhz bu speed intern cach gener faster segment memori help structur softwar
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	esdi hdd for posess system ahhhuuurrrrgggghhhh spinrit sector mark bad fat initi return activ us sector mark bad success run spinrit esdi hdd control that two will work dtc adaptec that work dtc ultra store you and will sell cheapli bui greg bishop hydra gatech edu design tommorow night yesterdai technolog
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hawk motherboard heard hawk eisa vlb motherboard net comput intern comput shopper version cach for decid thi motherboard and nice motherboard hawk motherboard eisa slot two vlb spec sound ident nice tim nyu edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai high price gkoh athena mit edu glenn koh write for gatewai system isn cheap system micron comput meg ram maxtor local bu id meg video card and monitor system ship sold chip that and bought total price you wrong you state that system that you sold chip that thi not make sens scott linn scott hpcvccl
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	low emiss monitor nec hartzman kilroi jpl nasa gov le hartzman write make low radiat emiss monitor nec compar nec qualiti and emiss wise le hartzman hartzman kilroi jpl nasa gov jet propuls laboratori oak grove pasadena le work mpr certifi swedish standard for low emiss hitachi superscan monitor that re and good write for imag qualiti recent feb issu magazin fulli match nec imag qualiti mag can differ two nec low emiss two type vlf low frequenc and elf that extrem low frequenc mpr standard set strict limit comapni nec includ articl read bunch mag hard for rememb claim low emiss not specif mpr compliant mpr certifi control for vlf and ignor nec higher imag qualiti consi tentli hear rate close not low emiss hitachi imag qualiti for you discern good luck mitch kcbp ubvm buffalo edu yeah hitachi superscan insight for
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai updat order system gatewai for net discuss help decid vendor and option system includ ram upgrad us cost addit mike yang silicon graphic inc mikei sgi
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	low emiss monitor nec articl acsu buffalo edu kcbp ubvmsd buffalo edu mitch write work mpr certifi swedish standard for low emiss hitachi superscan monitor that re and good write for imag qualiti recent feb issu magazin fulli match nec imag qualiti mag can differ two nec low emiss two type vlf low frequenc and elf that extrem low frequenc mpr standard set strict limit comapni nec includ articl read bunch mag hard for rememb claim low emiss not specif mpr compliant mpr certifi control for vlf and ignor nanao seri and seri monitor mpr compliant pamphlet seri monitor tco compliant that mike yang silicon graphic inc mikei sgi
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	dbench due larg amount request for dbench final can dbench ftp site dbench cardex card dram superscap benchmark frame sec hope will satisfi peopl curios thi perform benchmark program result you want philip sinn sinn carson washington edu univers washington opinion
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor nanao repli johnn eskimo messag apr gmt newsgroup comp sy ibm hardwar comp sy amiga hardwar comp sy sun hardwar subject monitor nanao refer eskimo distribut text follow thi line nanao ipx prefer sun trinitron work vertic jitter and two horizont shadowmask thingi folk advertis comput shopper for ship bought cabl sun connector monitor xrgb for macintosh mailord shop relax technolog happili chri shenton gsfc nasa gov nasa gsfc hstx
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	date stuck post coupl note encount thi problem base suggest mark aitchison univers canterburi zealand and chri larrieu edu that problem screen saver that output sound speaker screen saver that us random thi defin caus loss minut night not date thi time barri sardi home lauri avenu offic san jose fax email bsardi netcom compuserv
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	card show address and irq articl cie genesi nred avinash genesi nred write intern modem that configur irq insert that card into do show irq and address into debug and dump data show address belong even modem thi common misconcept share manufactur programm and user alik for exampl simpli equip comm port not necessarili address bio search sequenti set potenti comm port address equip port find will becom etc you plai rule you can you equip set standard that mean port address reflect order bio search address space search for serial port you standard address thi address tabl slot program queri bio determin number instal comm port not find field bio data area contain thi number that comm port instal frankli don simgl program that problem thi bob nichol bell laboratori rnichol ihlpm att
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	exactli ibm made slc slc processor slc and slc processor ibm put thinkpad and real math coprocessor kludg that not call eric eric braeden der verstand war zwar praechtig ohio state univers doch da nuetzt end nicht viel ebraeden magnu ac ohio state edu peter schill grad
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want fault id drive id drive and problem data error drive messag read file problem steadili get wors run diagnost softwar pctool and that drive retri sector and briefli flash error messag quick read cheap free softwar mark sector bad do doesn prefer perform low level format heard that id technic answer appreci nice us disk run do clone
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	cpu fan articl edm wr edm wr mcclanahan write jim johnson abcd houghton jim johnson write speak cpu fan us clip make you us heat sink greas heat transfer tape you will wast your monei cpu fan heat sink you recommend chip heat sink sandwich cpu and fan talk cpu fan blow directli cpu chip can heat sink greas even desir edward mcclanahan edm wr power and cool fan and heat sink built fan that glue top cpu even fan quit you heat sink fin aid cool glue type that high thermal conduct
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	comdex atlanta info want thi wrong newsgroup wonder date thi year comdex convent atlanta pass mail
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	tower fan origin post complaint noisi suggest seduct run your silenc remov fan altogeth two variabl run cover and will attach cpu cooler that make differ run fan sound utter folli ask thi succesfulli tragic you answer save alexand lerman alerman netcom voic
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	strang disk behaviour western digit hard drive thi drive cylind read write head physic logic cylind read write head cmo set instruct set type ibm cyl read write head problem western digit ispfmt low level program manufactur and instruct run hard drive cmo set set type thi work and verifi disk program reload do high level format error bad sector etc run norton speedisk disk optim verifi option set error verifi sector nnnn nnnn can number not time idea appreci you steve hamilton nbb dsacng dla mil
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	chip motherboard that speed not replac motherboard can us mhz cpu bio late model ami circa and system crystal approx mhz question can replac origin mhz cpu cpu will for extra cool devic such heatsink and muffin fan mike
comp.sys.mac.hardware	spigot iii articl apr aristo tau isaaci ccsg tau barash isaac write friend mine problem run spigot iii configur spigot iii system video spigot extens apprici can postit neg experi thi setup comp multimedia troubl spigot iii turn need latest version screenplai fix thing lawrenc oliveiro fone comput servic dept fax univers waikato electr mail ldo waikato hamilton zealand gmt
comp.sys.mac.hardware	powerbook sleep init request ask exist init that remov dialog you gonna disconnect apletalk user that powerbook fall asleep that such thing exist and thought freewar can thi btw can switch roo kind scharewar freewar
comp.sys.mac.hardware	card for soni recent made mistak purchas soni cpd monitor for mac iici monitor good that iici not support vga you bui you stupid repli for video card prefer bit support vga interest inform can offer for sale applic card will consid advanc jim pyke
comp.sys.mac.hardware	powerbook serial port question two serial port for powerbook specif system differ serial port powerbook versu mac heard not confirm appl that serial port problem high speed heard that sy power manag fix thi problem allow speed serial port us that evb board that interfac powerbook modem port baud interfac mac pluse set lab and noth fact powerbook lock can inform advis prefer email sinc don read new will post summari respons gener faisal bhamani faceman ccwf utexa edu thi topic discuss excus and direct place
comp.sys.mac.hardware	bui high speed modem ejbehr cmp ilstu edu eric behr write quick summari recent find high speed modem top contend paradyn zyxel and robot zyxel biggest cult and can had for mac softwar will work tweak you shouldn zyxel can purchas mac bundl includ hardwar handshak cabl and faxstf softwar bundl add and price modem depend supplier true that modem mac specif doc doesn requir tweak set init string enabl hardwar handshak for inform zyxel includ sourc file sumex aim stanford edu info mac report disclaim affili zyxel bui zyxel modem
comp.sys.mac.hardware	iici rom offer bit clean rom for iix last week macweek articl ric ford that david ramsei mac iix run nice mac iici rom offer clean bit rom code liber iix virtual memori nightmar caus appl bit system enabl sourc for rom for remanufactur resel rom chip us machin that copi cannot made that resel origin us rom resel us comput involv sale rom differ needless interest purchas such rom price offer morgan davi group internet mdavi crash ct
comp.sys.mac.hardware	ethernet card that rose apr csu edu mantolov golum riv csu edu michael antolovich write articl aaron bratcher fpm mac uchicago edu aaron bratcher fpm uchicago edu aaron bratcher write ethernet card that take advantag rose extens hei rose extens newsgroup comp sy mac system probulf informatik muenchen frank probul subject rose centri and quadra model organ technisch universitaet muenchen germani date mon apr gmt rose appl real time oper system environ thi system extens for nubu card mcp macintosh coprocessor platform mcp card nubu card motorola processor and ram expand meg mcp develop platform for hardwar design can us card processor and main processor isn need for card card appl tokenr card appl ethernet card appl nubu serial card perhap parti card don frank probul emanuelstr munich germani applelink probul applelink appl internet probulf informatik muenchen munich univers technolog depart comput scienc germani
comp.sys.mac.hardware	iici rom offer bit clean rom for iix articl mdavi crash ct mdavi crash ct morgan davi write last week macweek articl ric ford that david ramsei mac iix run nice mac iici rom offer clean bit rom code liber iix virtual memori nightmar caus appl bit system enabl thi make bit suspect ramsei qualif style expert fact read virtual memori regularli kind can sometim run newer rom correct size older machin prepar for problem run softwar that check for machin type rom trap avail and draw incorrect conclus special case time depend and driver relat stuff thi case reason troubl rom swap appl bit enabl problem mode work fine and sourc for rom bui us iici motherboard call pre own electron shreve part dealer back comput shopper mac trade for phone number and for price iici rom price you happen find salvag iici dead motherboard you decent price market for us mother board sell rom needless interest purchas such rom price offer for quot and offer pre own and shreve dicker ad trade magazin list consider price for item and phone quot tend vari not awar technic reason for upgrad rom iix bill johnston johnston udel edu chamber street newark
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri font problem recent centri desk vast improv previou machin iisi encount problem font entri filemak databas look fine print previou mac system wierd space charact increas greatli caus line truncat plain and bold helvetica size increas charact space occur for size and style mixtur truetyp and fix size font exactli iisi thing work perfectli manag similar behaviour word appl adopt usual friendli approach and told call local dealer god idea pete edward depart comput scienc king colleg univers aberdeen tel aberdeen fax scotland email pedward csd abdn artifici flower piec plastic and metal crude fashion bear limit superfici resembl real flower credibl attempt match intern complex term form function behavior artifici intellig smart comput
comp.sys.mac.hardware	performa question difer performa and lciii want you specif and price thi comput can you email rcvillab isluga puc difer appl monitor and performa monitor
comp.sys.mac.hardware	duo dock info articl baa mizzou missouri edu mizzou missouri edu write fact that mac cpu connect cellular network crai supercomput appl garag that steve steve built appl shannon silli you don you divis appl allow us crai legal depart gordon
comp.sys.mac.hardware	for magneto optic drive advic select magneto optic drive purchas primarili drive macworld and macus ad price for drive rang for dgr rem portabl magic portabl fujitsu nudesign macdirect for fwb hammerdisk and mass microsystem datapak drive us mechan fujitsu soni epson problem that read nov macworld and apr macus review drive not ask had good bad experi drive can shed light wide rang price spend bui reliabl drive compat john sasinowski
comp.sys.mac.hardware	person ntr serial hookup can procedur for hook person laserwrit ntr serial mac document can not correct switch set us appletalk switch option will instal driver that chooser printer hook directli not network lot ross
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar articl apr bmug org david schnider bmug org write real question opinion motorola processor run system mac compar intel processor run window recal convers that run window benchmark speed mhz system don that true love hear technic data thi david that mac iisi cach card run system roommat run window and iisi faster oper compar mind strictli speak oper desktop level window and system not actual comput speed program
comp.sys.mac.hardware	duo price reduct mention ago that duo schedul for price reduct newsbyt thi definit will effect and newsbyt cam dali phone internet cam athena mit edu memori fight and run cambridg live nuke site orbit
comp.sys.mac.hardware	modem softwar recommend plan bui modem and relat softwar good product that won cost lot monei will job will appreci for baud area kenneth kenneth david suzan internet kdsu uhura rochest edu box wrur rochest cast weatherlin univers rochest rock reagan year
comp.sys.mac.hardware	sell powerbook that sell upgrad duo graduat advantag educ discount recent bought sold kind price you info config appreci cam dali phone internet cam athena mit edu memori fight and run cambridg live nuke site orbit
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar david schnider bmug org wrote real question opinion motorola processor run system mac compar intel processor run window stuff delet david even that base amiga perform daili task compar base iici answer case butt kick amiga consider show you proper design begin hardwar and softwar can give you great return show you that you don market depart speak will care good your system happi don understand perform bad compar multi task properli everth appl didn do and window nothin write home worth for price peter pundi email jeff lab queensu witti wisdom share nice dai
comp.sys.mac.hardware	network mac and work small appletalk network mac and coupl printer that special account softwar that oper mac soft and found that softwar work fine data for program resid place hard disk question for you question board for that will you hook into appletalk network softwar hardwar combin that will mount hard disk network disk mac can us soft run applic imposs accomplish chri parrish univers oklahoma share split cmparri essex ecn uoknor edu kmfdm
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac constantli reboot tae shin tshin husc harvard edu wrote basic mac pluse constantli reboot reboot button push sometim mac fulli boot and displai desktop matter time reboot time frequenc high time minut your mac reset interupt switch instal plastic devic that push switch insid mac mabei switch bad and replac caught origin post problem that poor power suppli sometim refer analog sweep board apart board swap bikki appl not averag joe can fix you can and adjust voltag level rail close you thi not temporari fix copi larri pina macntosh repair upgrad secret worthwhil invest for yaself geoff peter mididoc cola flash pax tpa
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar guess real question ask origin question and broad talk pure process power kind process btw isol factor and influenc system shop for home comput base cpu spec yuck finish project that involv real time process serial data and discov that program interfac assembl lot power cpu applic you want easi code instruct set not easi cheap and quick you fake thing resolv indirect lea instruct your cycl count roof not start flame war comput orgin question classifi micro processor read entir thread don can get into specif propos system import detail that for anoth cheer peter pundi email jeff lab queensu witti wisdom share nice dai
comp.sys.mac.hardware	good hard disk driver for appl drive sy compat articl jartsu apr hut jartsu hut jartsu wrote your recommend for good hard disk driver softwar for appl drive for syquest remov media drive for normal drive fwb distribut hdt person edit hdt hard drive toolkit thi fanci full version good for you and want casa blanca offer drive not that familiar that drive and hdt can had for us silverling work and hdt imho interfac and easier understand drive user jame
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl ship baf umcc umcc umich edu dlc umcc umcc umich edu david claytor write btw heard that system instal can us boot mac drive will not accept caddi machin can you boot supplement manual that come quadra explain don manual front recal you insert machin run select restart special menu and hold special sequenc kei forc boot hard disk kei combin command option delet command ctrl del
comp.sys.mac.hardware	call mac guru articl qv usenet in cwru edu charl cox cox snowhit eeap cwru edu write put vram simm quadra slot closest ram simm slot and result whatsoev make differ slot you put simm vram simm slot back closest power suppli david gutierrez drg biomath mda uth tmc edu fool posit moe howard
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra startup monitor articl apr tdb mat bredel udac write shawn fitzgerald chungkuo umcc umcc umich edu wrote fix for thi quadra that will not finish startup monitor connect thi problem sinc run file server monitor connect time control panel made for thi don rememb name quadra model will work exist mat mat bredel mat bredel udac uppsala univers comput center udac depart medic system fax sweden straight gai will poke archiv and find find thi post locat horsefeath shawn fitzgerald umcc comput club michigan chungkuo umcc umich edu whether you quiet and aliv quiet and dead make differ cerebu
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	asant ethernet adapt for lciii math chip told local sale that asant come thi lciii pd ethernet adapt option socket board question will fpu perform degrad will put pd card socket motherboard intuit math processor close cpu not good appl call processor direct slot come answer thi experi asant lciii ethernet adapt advanc andi andi sun andi utoronto taddl creek road toronto comput coordin ontario canada depart industri engin phone univers toronto fax
comp.sys.mac.hardware	pin imagewrit serial port kind soul mail copi pinout for serial connector imagewrit printer that hook and that sell proper cabl anymor problem can make pinout advanc joel kolstad kolstad cae wisc edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	harddriv add addit intern hard drive mac iisi not replac exist hardriv hook intern drive togeth wai add intern harddriv besid replac don wanadd extern harddriv open suggest respons address below internet yolo utkvx utk edu bitnet yolo utkvx
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra startup monitor articl umcc umcc umich edu chungkuo umcc umcc umich edu shawn fitzgerald wrote articl apr tdb mat bredel udac write shawn fitzgerald chungkuo umcc umcc umich edu wrote fix for thi quadra that will not finish startup monitor connect thi problem sinc run file server monitor connect time control panel made for thi don rememb name quadra model will work exist mat mat bredel mat bredel udac uppsala univers comput center udac depart medic system fax sweden straight gai will poke archiv and find find thi post locat found your for ftp appl dt mac sy soft video directori and call virtual monitor switch hope thi help charl kuehmann northwestern univers steel research group
comp.sys.mac.hardware	serial pinout connect thi faq quick fix that care demo hour couldn place for rapid answer comp sy mac hardwar connect serial compac printer port mac iici handi pin pin rout for cabl that thi connect serial port compaq male thi map din mac serial short femaledb maledin cabl that appl sold adaptor plug macintosh serial peripher pre macplu era thi cabl didn null modem adaptor side thing map data and pin correctli kindli atau tanaka tanaka ircam
comp.sys.mac.hardware	expand ram mac ram bought extra that can max ram that support can boot instal extra simm sad mac can rememb code motherboard can that resistor snip path row assum that simm ad question resistor that snip bum simm exchang and advic will appreci chri gatenbi gatenb mrisun med yale edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac constantli reboot basic mac pluse constantli reboot reboot button push sometim mac fulli boot thi thread long add difer twist found that constant reboot due overh had ad ram and oper environ ad extern cool fan fix year ago georg jefferson georg mech sea upenn edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	logitec hand scan mac logitech grai hand scanner wonder success connect scanner mac connector and serial devic can imagin pin conigur change not signal level correct and mac work manual noth interfac connector layout ish idea steve
comp.sys.mac.hardware	duo price reduct articl vinnt senat bedfellow mit edu cam athena mit edu daniel cameron dali write mention ago that duo schedul for price reduct newsbyt thi definit will effect and newsbyt happen email week ago come and week that duo drop price duo educ price drop and imagin haven check sinc boycott local necrocent for reason that extend past year
comp.sys.mac.hardware	asant ethernet adapt for lciii math chip articl syk utoronto andi utoronto andi sun write told local sale that asant come thi lciii pd ethernet adapt option socket board question will fpu perform degrad will put pd card socket motherboard intuit math processor close cpu not good appl call processor direct slot come answer thi experi asant lciii ethernet adapt advanc andi andi sun andi utoronto taddl creek road toronto comput coordin ontario canada depart industri engin phone univers toronto fax fpu lciii suppos logic board not pd board heard crash problem pd base fpu lciii asant fix bother bother build lciii card fpu extra circuitri card chanc fail fpu main logic board socket ethernet alon pd card slot mark
comp.sys.mac.hardware	duo price reduct articl vinnt senat bedfellow mit edu cam athena mit edu daniel cameron dali wrote mention ago that duo schedul for price reduct newsbyt thi definit will effect and newsbyt local store reduc price duo configur appl drop list price dan
comp.sys.mac.hardware	bit lcii parti video ram adapt for vew bit color lcii heard that appl sell aroung mail young youyj mace purdu edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	jump start mac articl apr microsoft cckch microsoft kenneth charlton write appl dealership onc had kit replac solder batteri batteri holder real easi instal requir solder point big hole fairli clear stuff board you can replac batteri you can instal batteri holder matthew russotto russotto eng umd edu russotto wam umd edu new reader expect disclaim polic search and seizur make us forc not respons for bodili harm result advic
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	sell powerbook articl aaainnt senat bedfellow mit edu cam athena mit edu daniel cameron dali write that sell upgrad duo graduat advantag educ discount recent bought sold kind price you info config appreci cam dali cam month ago bought extern floppi appletalk remot access kensington case and adapt complet document and almost condit us for consid good bui and cosi babi murrai murrai altheim il ont orteil bouc chevreil oreil instruct consult corn chamoi face vermeil csu sacramento comm roug croissant dancent tout nuict altheimm csu edu dedan carrefour pre un eau qui bruict
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl ship articl baf umcc umcc umich edu dlc umcc umcc umich edu david claytor write system instal kodak photo sampler alic ocean cdrom titl applic demo mozart disson quartet nautilu appl chronicl assum titl cinderella and game demo cdrom extern arriv cinderella game demo derek pinghua pinghua young depart econom pinghua econ berkelei edu univers california berkelei pinghua econ ucbcmsa bitnet berkelei california qnf
comp.sys.mac.hardware	dat drive kelli roi heth kheth uhunix uhcc hawaii edu wrote hei purchas dat drive mail order vendor offer dat drive mechan mechan good bad point bought relax technolog big mistak drive had jumper set incorrectli didn work and softwar ship incompat drive compress model and worst open drive fiddl jumper found insid case cover metal file shout appar drill mount hole case forgot clean put drive thi drive and work fine knock wood relax technolog hei your mileag vari suggest that you not bui relax technolog even price lowest dave dave schwarz schwarz delphi nosc mil mail schwarz isenext saic opinion express that
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac for sale for sale appl macintosh ram hdd fdd applecolor re rgb monitor keyboard mous microphon kensington masterpiec mac run system document and manual symantec greatwork mac tool delux load hdd disk and manual includ hardwar mint condit us total minut absolut noth wrong thi system can us mac ship cost negoti option person purchas appl stylewrit printer accessori kit brand never us factori seal carton ship cost repli mail david morgan hal ann arbor and leav phone number fast call voic mail faster inquiri come serv thi origin post thi confer coupl week ago buyer couldn financ purchas and accident kill repli hal bb qwk usenet gatewai bi dial in free usenet mail and newsgroup pcboard uupcb kmail call member eff asp asad disk serv ann arbor sinc
comp.sys.mac.hardware	lciii logic board work purchas lciii recent and had heard bit work logic board open mine and found work small chip glu board and coupl green wire run two chip inform post bunch work accomplish fix technic detail work for thing such purpos chip wire connect and pin out for chip board work function work board incompat futur releas oper system and final even concern thi keith folsom folsom cup portal
comp.sys.mac.hardware	thi swim iwm us live and mark and rom that thi solut person upgrad fdhd cheer mike
comp.sys.mac.hardware	imagewrit problem urgent need daughter and imagewrit work yesterdai print macwrit acta print messag come not print bought cabl print move cabl modem port print do person and don begin diagnost for mac
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri video problem horton sp mot david horton write cleveland freenet edu david kantrowitz write comput set for color and oper vertic scroll window horizont white line monitor gener not spare open window line accummul oper continu window move involv area screen and move line disappear that area screen thi problem not observ monitor configur for color inch appl monitor color us not had problem configur that elimin design flaw explan data point centri appl monitor and not problem can produc similar artifact centri appl monitor configur board ethernet and megabyt video ram effect occur color and grei mode vertic scroll oper whether scrollbar and insert line will produc scatter horizont flicker line screen not persist each visibl for perhap refresh and that part screen back usual start pixel left and pixel wide thi not prevent macintosh sign perhap ground incorrectli video circuitri ahead and call appl custom assist center direct person answer polit chanc complain mous button stick and mac hang boot hard kill macsbug crash left drive had plai paperclip for minut thing eject mac boot fine garth dicki dicki math wisc edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	slowdown manag lab lab ii mac extern and laserwrit ntx problem ii intermitt slow snail pace ii ram vram and quantum instal reformat drive hard disk toolkit and respect rate thi drive not drive reinstal system word work and master disk short can softwar not hardwar hacker pop case fairli noth work problem intermitt and unpredict mous move smoothli floppi run speed occasion for hour time machin will run run mhz not mhz frustrat and make unus worsen increas disk activ encount thi problem idea appreci andrew gewek douc tfsquad org andrew gewek fire squad bb public access usenet mail and new saint paul minnesota
comp.sys.mac.hardware	system ernest stalnak jc sage purdu edu pur sage jc
comp.sys.mac.hardware	check your purchas dat drive schwarz delphi nosc mil david schwarz write bought relax technolog big mistak drive had jumper set incorrectli didn work and softwar ship incompat drive compress model and worst open drive fiddl jumper found insid case cover metal file shout appar drill mount hole case forgot clean put drive thi drive and work fine knock wood relax technolog found that you observ almost equip check for warrani tape carefulli open unit inspect for loos wire jumper screw and trash clean manufactur mistak power unit and check can thing bought that weren box due sloppi jonathan thi for manufactur not pick internet musjndx gsusgi gsu edu fidonet jonathan deitch jdeitch gisatl fidonet org bellnet atlanta plai pinbal don panic hate can trust technolog thrill chill magic prize hurrican geordi laforg gene roddenberri isaac asimov jim henson seuss mel blanc sigh
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	cach card for iisi ran speedomet test iisi cach enabl cach disabl put run thi uuencod machin record number favor cach for benchmark lot memori throughput eric stadtherr room consult durham storm sage smile face home am never want leav thi place gnr
comp.sys.mac.hardware	system macintosh iifx cannot run multifind beep friend macintosh iifx run system not memori run sy adequ and notic that us multifind thi machin machin will beep second incessantli nonstop thi friend tendenc instal thing machin haphazardli rebuild system scratch and occur thi problem sound familiar for problem caus obscur thi simpl thing yeah that familiar system multifind doesn run mac iifx for send mail smh vaxf acdnj itt advanc dig dirt stai support dig dirt find place hurt rich rosen open place hurt rlr panix
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reinstal system softwar disk util back disk defragment reformat and partit your hard disk faq list comp sy mac system memori system memori mode bit enabl cach and carri memori allot cach system softwar appl charg for system system give for that system doesn can system can us system system mac script and system system tuneup disappear turn multifind system can system disk iii hard disk fileshar and file system folder disappear can throw thi folder can share remov drive can eject thi syquest cartridg rom etc can renam hard disk miscellan system error xxx mean type error rose easi access answer question comp sy mac misc virus viru report virus print and postscript make postscript file print postscript file won postscript file print mainfram printer postscript file big can print postscript postscript printer make imagewrit print color doesn printmonitor work imagewrit document chang print can preview postscript file edit postscript file iii do and mac can move file mac and can translat file do format bui softpc real secur can prevent user chang content folder can password protect mac place miscellan miscellanea good book mac pictur screen us pictur for desktop can replac macintosh box pictur autodoubl spacesav disk space safe compar timestwo stacker and edisk icon can find user group thi work copyright elliott harold permiss herebi grant distribut thi unmodifi document provid that fee excess normal line charg requir for such distribut portion thi document extract and quot free charg and necess citat normal line commun provid that quot not repres correspond origin work permiss for quotat thi document print materi and edit line commun such info mac digest and tidbit subject normal citat procedur you you disclaim ensur that inform contain thi document current and accur can accept respons for action result inform contain thi document provid and warranti kind correct and suggest address erh tesla njit edu appl macintosh laserwrit imagewrit finder hypercard and multifind 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faq and faq for comp sy mac misc store misc faq rtfm store file compress binari file you leav end file name get file rtfm will automat decompress file send you you can file mail you send mail messag mail server rtfm mit edu line send pub usenet new answer macintosh name bodi text name name file you want gener faq you can send thi server messag subject for detail instruct question congratul you come place usenet wonder resourc for inform rang basic question lock floppi disk queri that make steve job run scream room terror us resedit remov resourc init wdef and nvir system file and us hex editor add code string patch sfgetfil routin standard file dialog box nice shade mauv work fine instal supercdevblast and us aldu driver print pagemak linotron system hang run system powerbook sinc macintosh newsgroup medium high volum that you perus thi faq list includ tabl content for piec check relev line resourc list below question faq list for macintosh newsgroup and rtfm read friendli manual post your question realiz that you person incens that system take fourteen your newli instal twenti meg ram thi question made world hundr time and develop tire feet final post newsgroup macintosh familiar basic etiquett usenet describ newsgroup new announc newus us thi document can comp sy mac faq divid into multipl piec gener introduct you read and specif list for newsgroup comp sy mac system and comp sy mac misc faq list for comp sy mac want comp sy mac app and comp sy mac hardwar develop readi each part will respect newsgroup piec anonym ftp rtfm mit edu pub usenet new answer macintosh directori for thi document name gener faq piec name per last part newsgroup cover faq system faq misc faq mean file store compress you ftp binari mode and us maccompress stuffit delux unix uncompress command decompress you leav extens you file rtfm will automat decompress file send you thi introductori document post concern newsgroup tabl content for each specif faq list begin thi file you idea whether your question answer anywher faq even you don part hand not obviou newcom question comment post familiar faq list major macintosh newsgroup post question faq can serv basic guid post belong jump question search for section number question number enclos parenthes for exampl find can ftp macintosh softwar search for string jump section question us for question number inform comp sy mac faq short answer number frequent ask question for usenet newsgroup comp sy mac misc and comp sy mac system file worthi note daryl spitzer maintain faq list cover macintosh program for newsgroup comp sy mac programm post that group weekli and for anonym ftp ftp uoregon pub mac eric rosen maintain frequent ask question list for comp sy mac comm that newsgroup and rascal ic utexa edu mac faq file you read irregularli archiv thi list answer frequent ask question network unix and mac telecommun and foreign file format norm walsh compil excel faq for comp font that answer lot question kind font and cross 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and archi doc and contin site index ten thousand file for anonym ftp login archi password need and type prog filenam find you for type for detail instruct for instanc you type prog disinfect search for conveni ftp site for disinfect initi search fail turn file you want variat and substr name for instanc you didn find disinfect prog disinfect you prog disi substr search hide gold pile dross avoid erron match add hqx end substr prog disi hqx mac softwar net end hqx almost unix softwar check archiv and archi person ask you can find piec sharewar you follow advic you almost never net find piec softwar can mail applic will mail you part file comp binari mac that corrupt miss your site refer question thi section find anonym ftp archi and automat mail server bin hqx cpt etc file ftp modifi twice easili pass foreign comput system compress make faster download and translat binhex hqx macbinari bin format that comput can digest macintosh special two fork file system that choke comput binhex file bit ascii text file macbinari file pure bit binari data that transfer binari protocol file translat and compress for transmiss suffix file will name filenam xxx yyi xxx compress and yyi translat us file you ftp and download your mac you revers process file you net requir two step decod process chang binhex hqx macbinari bin file doubl clickabl macintosh file decompress program decod file type cover tabl below note that macintosh telecommun program will automat convert macbinari file regular macintosh file download suffix sit cpt hqx bin pit imag zip tar extractor stuffit compact pro packit uutool maccompress suntar binhex binhex diskdoubl unzip diskcopi macutil note decompressor stuffit famili product that us compress scheme freewar stuffit expand will unstuff version stuffit earlier stuffit stuffit classic unstuffit and stuffit delux and will not unstuff increas number file stuf stuffit you recent version stuffit stuffit expand stuffit lite and delux consist make smaller archiv 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system you religi object softwar mean anonym ftp suppos mention that you can fact ftp work copi stuffit thi hardest ftp wuarchiv wustl edu and login type word binari hit return type mirror rascal ic utexa edu compress and hit return stuffit expand sea bin and hit return that time you read thi stuffit expand will updat and name chang thi fail for similar you ftp straight your mac you extract archiv will produc work copi stuffit expand doubl click you ftp your mainfram unix account you us modem program download your mac make that mac receiv macbinari mode and mainfram send binari mode you detail last step consult faq list for comp sy mac comm and manual for your mainfram and macintosh telecommun softwar can binhex stuffit etc you can absolut execut macintosh file ftp site and your mac softwar obtain mean anonym ftp you beg borrow steal softwar such binhex stuffit lite anoth person realiz thi terrifi you haven left your parent basement sinc you appl eventu you link human your mother suppos you thi nerd you send your mother for you you gather your nerv for ventur into strang and terrifi world daylight don bother net ask thi question simpli move execut macintosh program macintosh comput mac softwar that not bundl mac troubleshoot post thing wrong faq list cover lot specif problem problem that aren cover basic techniqu you follow ask for you perform ten step prevent mainten routin describ section rebuild desktop and resiz system heap step not solv your problem will make easier for recommend solut you identifi problem microsoft word crash doesn you crash can you repeat action that lead crash inform you provid action preced crash like can you precis you identifi problem and action preced step easier will step fix problem for exampl sometim quarkxpress crash coprocessor not instal error not help quarkxpress crash link two text box master page copi text box text will leav you wonder whether bug remain step let you problem and not read read file compani includ list 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problem mac mechan happi charg you for equival oil chang reason you can chang step program perform month trash unneed file oper that follow will run faster and smoothli free disk space work spend time clean your hard disk you you find megabyt worth prefer file for applic you longer archiv softwar you dearchiv sharewar you and didn announc for event that come and and file you longer you run system you megabyt your trash can alon throw and empti trash rethink your extens macintosh attract init suit attract rain whether you extens your collect you don us function extens time you boot you not store your system folder take memori destabil your system and slow startup for instanc you read disk onc month accesspc load time cut back your extens habit can avoid crash rebuild desktop desktop file databas hold inform associ each file applic that creat let system applic launch you open file and icon displai depend size each applic repres desktop file applic and file move and your hard disk desktop file can becom bloat and corrupt congress for your mac throw bum and start clean slate fortun easier rebuild desktop defeat incumb warn rebuild desktop will eras comment you store info box system mauric volaski freewar init commentkeep will retain comment across rebuild commentkeep work system appl desktop manag extens instal rebuild desktop restart your mac and your extens finish load depress command and option kei you present dialog box ask you want rebuild desktop and warn you that thi minut click will minut file you longer will you run system you want turn multifind rebuild desktop you experienc definit problem and not prevent mainten you want us gener freewar init desktop reset desktop reset complet delet desktop file rebuild elimin possibl corrupt data structur zap pram and reset clock mac origin thin mac quadra small amount batteri power ram hold set that properli move cpu disk such disk boot thi paramet ram can becom corrupt and unexplain crash reset system hold command option and kei restart your mac system hold command option and shift kei select control panel appl menu click ask you want zap paramet ram sinc you eras almost set gener control panel you reset you want set that zap pram not eras date and time sinc intern clock macintosh notori inaccur you want thi opportun reset resiz system heap even rethink extens per step two peopl half row icon march across bottom screen time restart extens and applic space section memori call system heap system heap isn big comfort accommod program that want piec start plai king mountain system heap knock each bigger piec for and climb back knock thi fight program sever degrad system perform and almost inevit crash mac you system your macintosh will automat resiz system heap you run system import set your system heap size larg manag your extens and applic default thi size set small for mac extens system heap size store edit boot block system disk bill steinberg freewar util bootman not let you resiz your system heap even check memori your heap can alloc you run system bootman us and amaz infrequ your macintosh crash reinstal system softwar system file can becom corrupt and fragment you store lot font and desk accessori insid updat system softwar will not fix system file corrupt recommend clean reinstal boot instal floppi your system disk copi standard font and desk accessori your system file into temporari suitcas trash system file your hard disk trash finder multifind handler and standard appl extens control panel and chooser will replac instal you run instal system move extens control panel and prefer folder into top level system folder renam system folder name system folder fine doubl click instal script your system disk choos custom select softwar for your model mac and printer you easi instal that will add lot extens and code you don that wast your memori and disk space onc instal finish move temporari folder you creat step into system folder you ask you want replac you forgot step you replac thing individu you find duplic piec reinstal font you remov step reboot you clean defrag system file that take memori and disk space and stabl system disk util system file hard disk data structur that occasion becom corrupt affect perform and even caus data loss appl includ disk aid simpl util for detect and repair hard disk problem system disk for anonym ftp ftp appl directori dt mac sy soft hdsc even you earlier version you latest version ftp appl and run your hard disk compani releas paywar disk util that detect and repair consider problem disk aid interestingli detect and repair that disk aid effect for gener work central point mactool delux gener public utilit and symantec norton util for macintosh depart work group disk aid sinc fix for individu mactool street half price norton street public util street featur and eas us roughli equal recommend mactool product occasion encount problem can fix that happen time backup and reformat back thi part prevent mainten that lot month 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file number paywar util includ norton util for mac and mac tool delux can defrag disk place eras ad for product brag safeti onc you bought softwar and open shrink wrap warn you back your disk defrag case wrong freewar sharewar disk defragment don annoi net ask for reformat your hard disk floppi disk initi us hard disk format can hold data you don reformat month your system crash matter you reformat ultim mean wipe slate clean reformat your hard disk even gain you extra megabyt space not hard disk creat equal can hold data facilit mass product and advertis lot asterisk megabyt averag format capac your mileag vari appl format drive lowest common denomin drive capac you reformat reason not reclaim unus space appl left your disk unlik floppi hard disk special program initi hard disk come format softwar appl disk and system softwar ship setup minim disk formatt will format appl brand hard drive manufactur ship format softwar hard drive thi will you reformat your hard disk number gener purpos formatt bundl softwar includ featur encrypt password protect multipl partit faster disk access system compat and even compress two paywar drive and hard disk toolkit person edit street for two freewar formatt like superior bundl your hard disk powerbook user turn sleep and processor cycl reformat hard drive matter softwar us disk corrupt crash and data loss good possibl elliott rusti harold depart mathemat elharo shiva njit edu jersei institut technolog erh tesla njit edu newark
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	want macintosh powerbook for mac that good condit brand warranti ideal includ extern floppi drive and meg intern hard drive meg ram you that you turn into cash write billi irvin billyb bouncer
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac scsi spec tim keanini heard mac scsi spec blast nntp crl tim keanini maciifx and that wire scsi chain bought drive and find hardcor scsi question iifx scsi chain want activ passiv termin iifx scsi spec want enabl initi sdtr messag iifx scsi spec want pariti check good question for faq not time answer question can and will repost answer for read technot deal sane person iifx scsi tim keanini timk broder blast crl sound engin broderbund softwar
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra clock chip followup recent modifi quadra socket for clock oscil complet hour error free oper mhz mhz clock oscil mhz cmo clock and that work stupid side discov you can us mhz clock and make your slow centri mhz clock yield mhz quadra want didn work impati await mhz clock gui kuo guykuo washington edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	supercard cdrom find xcmd control rom drive aldu supercard appl hypercard rom toolkit not work aldu clue appl clue berkelei mug and boston mug won return phone call local user group idea commerci sharewar fine repli email clee theporch raider net chri lee macintosh consult america onlin chri box graphic interfac design compu erv nashvil digit audio clee theporch raider net
comp.sys.mac.hardware	duo price reduct duo price drop don msrp reduct you can find recent tidbit archiv sumex berkelei educ price list duo duo duo duo modem joel joel siegel jdsiegel garnet berkelei edu jdsiegel ocf berkelei edu never find femin that call feminist whenev express sentiment that differenti doormat rebecca west
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quicktim jpeg expans sourc need code for decompress quicktim jpeg pict file don conform usual jpeg compressor sourc code pascal modula code will us platform view pictur isdn perhap special hardwar will put mac perhap dsp support chip code not perhap algorithm decompress christian bauer bauer informatik uni ulm
comp.sys.mac.hardware	want macweek articl apr leland stanford edu smashman leland stanford edu adam samuel nash write subscript macweek want don find subscript card anywher email smashman leland stanford edu order subscript todai call macweek custom servic dept and quot plastic you forget number includ statement ownership content page copi year subscript cost canada mexico told issu arriv week lesli jone ljone utkvx utk edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor hour dai cnn factiod last month state that comput left hour dai dai week don recal cnn sourc lesli jone ljone utkvx utk edu turn monitor not
comp.sys.mac.hardware	soni dat retrospect problem problem ty soni dat drive work retrospect and luck get drive work mac iici anoth depart ideal want attach quadra setup can retrospect softwar recogn media devic dialog can dat devic come firstli run secondli media failur and immedi content unknown thi not happen mac iici setup simpli readi hope will had similar problem found solut had problem dat devic and quadra mac iici can us symptom system softwar didn work turn extens retrospect scsi requir test varieti machin quadra iisi and connect scsi devic test varieti scsi termin etc replac dat unit that desper read retrospect manual even desper repli email greatli appreci advanc post solut thi group cheer matt matthew riddl matthew ariel unimelb edu scienc multimedia teach unit tel faculti scienc fax univers melbourn australia opinion
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra scsi problem articl klusken istari nrl navi mil michael klusken klusken radar nrl navi mil write problem mention last quadra scsi problem heavili discuss last year and appl employe point that byte error scsi driver routin for quadra and system not that problem for peopl solut updat driver drive manufactor case mass microsystem wrote driver fix problem quadra that occur earli last year updat driver for soni dat drive can mine work soni dat retrospect problem post thi group problem mac cheer matt matthew riddl matthew ariel unimelb edu scienc multimedia teach unit tel faculti scienc fax univers melbourn australia opinion
comp.sys.mac.hardware	upgrad read recent tidbit possibl put interest involv replac that daughterboard involv get daughter board run screen not pretti and damag info appreci advanc jai fogel
comp.sys.mac.hardware	gcc plp laser printer cng utoronto charl write plp laser printer make gcc technolog problem dirti page top portion smear black toner across page print page time problem not occur page clean printer not can offer solut phone gcc technolog phone number for gcc don number for tech support handi alan
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra clock chip followup replac osz mhz yesterdai and trubl quadra work mhz stabl for hour mhz osz hour quadra di not reason for that riski run fast your quadra work mhz problem safeti tip backup your harddisk befor you start upgrad mhz test damag harddisk and had hardtim work onc backup befor you start speedomet result replac osz speedomet report for mene rainer prepar april machin record version user comment quadra mhz and ram disk mbyte ram mbyte vram system inform comput mac quadra cpu fpu integr fpu mmu integr mmu color quickdraw bit system version finder version appletalk version laserwrit version laser prep version not found imagewrit version rom version rom size bit depth horizont dpi vertic dpi primari screen size physic ram logic ram result mac classic cpu graphic disk name hard disk test ram disk math perform rate benchmark result mac classic kwhetston dhryston tower quicksort bubbl sort queen puzzl permut fast fourier matrix multipli integ matrix multipli siev benchmark averag fpu test mac ffpu fast fourier fpu kwhetston fpu matrix mult fpu test averag color test mac black white color color color color test averag interest graphic result graphic couldn belief thi true two point problem mbyte ram solder board ram and run upperlimit mhz part troubl video ram orign vram appl quadra you upperlimit chip run isn garanti run part quadra board run clockspe wont make trubl importan question neat heat sink run quadra for hour heat sink cool mhz heat sink mutch warmer quadra didn problem room temperatur celsiu you live area hot and your room temperatur not mutch below suggest heat sink ventil stai safe side hope you will success had rainer email mene statistik muenchen
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra articl apr yuma acn colost edu lanc colost edu daniel philip fagan wrote differ quarda and quadra quarda popular misspel quadra mhz processor mhz and local buse motherboard run faster video can run and monitor bit color vram upgrad faster processor scsi and faster due separ processor handl function can output bit video monitor meg vram and bit meg hope thi help anand armani edgewai wimsei edgewai infolink armani edgewai wimsei gui bb anand view express mine firstclass postalunion lite north vancouv canada
comp.sys.mac.hardware	problem laserwrit print driver and printmonitor problem laserwrit print driver bad peopl machin appletalk network network peopl and version laserwrit print driver solv problem reinstal print driver time consum and real pain printmonitor softwar bad frequent replac and thing run idea caus print softwar bad init conflict network conflict commun similar experi you had idea you you send email directli karen edc org karen
comp.sys.mac.hardware	nec fge nec told that resolut fge and that run higher resolut thought read that monitor make type small read appreci steve
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	driver for datafram log supermac bb and download drive manag softwar you will find you can don want call bb call tech support number lynn planet bmug firstclass bb bmug messag contain thi post not reflect bmug offici view
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac constantli reboot articl netnew upenn edu jeff eniac sea upenn edu georg wrote basic mac pluse constantli reboot reboot button push sometim mac fulli boot thi thread long add difer twist anoth twist expirienc kind problem not frequent suggest karl johan olsen internet karljo imv aau dept inform and media scienc univers aarhu denmark
comp.sys.mac.hardware	price drop lanc colost edu nathaniel sammon write ala thi funni system sound good deal thi centri motherboard simm ethernet and coprocessor had that peopl such thing coprocessor sinc fpu built into chip such thing coprocessor call thi redesign full peopl call told number peopl that motorola doesn call full that integr fpu hardwar isn
comp.sys.mac.hardware	educ price articl kyv dal hay dal kevin hay write apr leland stanford edu stchang leland stanford edu steven kuk jin chang write confus educ discount true appl dealer price for educ and retail vendor price differ not that great end user price canada for worth experi that educ discount advantag teacher roughli equival corpor discount that employe fairli larg multi state corpor good can discount comput chain compusa for purpos budget estim knock srp doge south loui dobb approv media conspir step sundai loui commun radio you pai you bob dobb
comp.sys.mac.hardware	powerpc nubu rumor read macweek that develop get nubu card appl pre releas powerpc chip thi mean that chip releas appl will advantag powerpc risc technolog insert card don hardwar can cludg thi archon
comp.sys.mac.hardware	intern remov drive rip extern syquest remov drive extern case and instal into empti bai slot centri special bracket purchas power hookup scsi constraint that prevent mail instruct doesn that overwhelm undertak nichola lamendola control fork control meal choic npl lingo psych rochest edu npl merlin cv rochest edu lard
comp.sys.mac.hardware	svga monitor and centri real stori real stori can hook svga montitor centri intern video make cabl doesn not come appl releas tech note pinout for such reasoj that price for svga lower that mac counterpart mike
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor hour dai comput and harddisk drive monitor gener lot heat shouldn hour dai advic care paul vote for turn night stress harm don turn back hour etc turn for hour overnight good idea electrici consumpt will you turn overnight heat lot year machin basement that work care hour dai
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor hour dai stubb hawk ukan edu jerri stubb write electrici consumpt will you turn overnight heat hard add cost design desktop machin power saver featur built reduc power consumpt automat machin idl for amount time thi pretti standard portabl machin and kind trick plai spin disk turn screen reduc clock speed etc advantag thi turn thing you don rememb and machin network tricki part defin constitut inact you don want wake sleep mode ping you you want wake cpu log telnet connect wouldn worri wast electr winter month that energi get turn into heat not effici heat build central heat plant not bad summer disast not you wast that power you run air condit rid wast heat roi smith roi nyu edu hippocr project depart microbiolog cole nyu school medicin avenu york thi never happen bart simpson
comp.sys.mac.hardware	duo price reduct joel siegel jdsiegel garnet berkelei edu wrote duo price drop don msrp reduct you can find recent tidbit archiv sumex berkelei educ price list duo duo duo duo modem and michigan state univers price system powerbook duo portabl mac powerbook duo ram promot expir mac duo bundl flpy adpt drive internet michael kwun umich edu speak for bitnet userw umichum support local cooper
comp.sys.mac.hardware	disk mount problem extern drive connect iisi thi never recogn and mount system startup can mount scsi control panel run system and properli termin help idea problem dougla rand drand osf org osf motif dev snail cambridg center cambridg disclaim don osf agre vote amateur radio
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appletalk imagewrit compat need sinc imag writer discontinu appl talk printer contin paper printer possibl connect ibm compat printer appl talk net directli net serial hardwar and softwar
comp.sys.mac.hardware	good hard disk driver for appl drive sy compat add your messag major problem hand rodim seri extern hard drive rodim busi and not write driver driver compat system talk rodim recommend hard drive manufactur and driver softwar that compat scsi hard drive manufactur driver softwar fwb hard disk tool kit fwb hard disk tool kit person cie silverlin higher casa blanca driver softwar drive experi driver softwar packag repli sharewar hand send good develop softwar mention purchas cost and advanc bob dohr associ bring kind word and help spirit wherev can associ multi line macintosh bb grand blanc michigan echo fido internet familynet icdmnet file hst bi testifi bob dohr internet bob dohr fidonet org
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra clock chip followup move mhz clock not problem not totallysurpris had run mhz cpu clock speed vso mhz rate daystar quadracach hot mhz and fail previous glu piec aluminum stock speed ram chip and run cool problem mhz combin faster
comp.sys.mac.hardware	pin simm for care bui purchas pin simm for quadra chip merchant satisfi past alon work togeth fail call appl for advic and told that problem composit simm composit simm us chip merchant confirm that present sell composit pin simm simm and composit marti sach usda ar agronomi uiuc msach cso uiuc edu internet turner hall msach uiucvmd bitnet goodwin av phone urbana fax
comp.sys.mac.hardware	laserwrit driver heard that version printer driver for appl laserwrit ayon heard thi driver email
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor hour dai articl igh function mp ohio state edu nevai mp ohio state edu paul nevai comput and harddisk drive monitor gener lot heat shouldn hour dai advic care paul paul nevai nevai mp ohio state edu dept math ohio state univers offic columbu ohio math dept fax don exaclti cpu and turn monitor not us thi for eas power consumpt turn monitor not us advantag requir ram screen saver requir memori rememb turn pretti easi rememb turn instrument approach procedur autom dot faa ami bryan oaklei ctrbdo iapa mailhost ecn uoknor edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	ugrad tempest david tsai andrew cmu edu write upgrad tempest that current rumor that start macweek last month motherboard switch you accomplish thi kind upgrad gonna expens thi appl talk hade
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri mhz mhz paryavi matt ksu ksu edu saiid paryavi write put mhz cpu into centri math coprocessor speed centri run mhz mhz not replac chip motherboard isn iisi mean that motherboard design run speed cpu and not design run higher speed mhz forc run speed slower cpu mhz didn oscil motherboard iisi motherboard oscil for centri oscil you talk cpu oscil chip that locat socket for thi read post thi group hade
comp.sys.mac.hardware	parti monitor iisi deal pd slot iisi recent purchas mac iisi want add appl monitor system told that you bui degre angl pd nubu adaptor card you can fit standard nubu card into comput mistaken bui pd monitor card specif for iisi pd monitor card for expens and not exactli made monei idea clue randi riegseck barnei die shove disclaim opinion express mine and not
comp.sys.mac.hardware	duo price reduct kwun css itd umich edu michael kwun write and michigan state univers price system powerbook duo portabl mac powerbook duo ram promot expir cheaper mac duo bundl flpy adpt drive for that bundl peter internet michael kwun umich edu speak for bitnet userw umichum support local cooper
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor hour dai hard add cost design desktop machin power saver featur built reduc power consumpt automat machin idl for amount time that appl sun and number desktop machin manufactur agre govern incorpor power save techniqu thi that govern countri like requir futur expect thi includ abil for system fulli power monitor control power outlet and power back automat thi sell screen saver softwar compani goal for idl power consumpt set watt for system not includ monitor don quot thi note that busi save will substanti you factor reduc load air condit system sun studi that that simpli power monitor for night save compani sun order per year put and automat power save featur greater doubl that that and reason leav work and home comput get fax automat get email build power consumpt control into machin potenti cut nation power consumpt base data heard btw encourag employe power monitor leav work point that thi monitor power switch front indic that monitor power switch rear not design toler lot power cycl thi appli monitor us worth check you happen monitor switch back
comp.sys.mac.hardware	svga monitor and centri real stori real stori can hook svga montitor centri intern video make cabl doesn not come appl releas tech note pinout for such reasoj that price for svga lower that mac counterpart mike discuss essenti adnausium answer for configur you can adaptor call mac vga jame engin and thi will you displai and monitor capabl requir khz horizont sync us thi soni slightli wider screen adaptor hope help
comp.sys.mac.hardware	price drop articl dartvax dartmouth edu hade dartmouth edu write lanc colost edu nathaniel sammon write ala thi funni system sound good deal thi centri motherboard simm ethernet and coprocessor had that peopl such thing coprocessor sinc fpu built into chip such thing coprocessor call thi redesign full peopl call told number peopl that motorola doesn call full that integr fpu hardwar isn that pseudo disclaim suppos for confus nate hate quotat thi messag brought you you nate sammon and number ralph waldo emerson long lanc colost edu
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor hour dai articl apr utkvx utk edu ljone utkvx utk edu lesli jone write cnn factiod last month state that comput left hour dai dai week don recal cnn sourc yeah includ industri and educ institut that work station sun dec ibm etc etc turn monitor left untouch for min chung yang lesli jone ljone utkvx utk edu turn monitor not
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri upgrad price jebg uxa cso uiuc edu johann beda write price quot vendor for centri upgrad quot price till august will cost thi doesn includ trade rebat for board for get centri meg onboard fpu and ethernet info thi price univers illinoi micro order center vendor offer similar price falcon microsystem landov sole appl author resel feder govern similar open market price upgrad gener servic adminsitr schedul joe gurman gurman solar physic branch nasa goddard space flight center greenbelt usa gurman uvsp gsfc nasa gov feder employe prohibit hold opinion hatch act opinion express
comp.sys.mac.hardware	moniterm vcx mac card us nice vxc moniterm monitor us atari such monitor us mac can mac can us card us etc thi monitor label front vike and connector
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor hour dai cnn factiod last month state that comput left hour dai dai week don recal cnn sourc ljone utkvx utk edu lesli jone yeah big hulk mainfram monitor factoid fabric corrupt tidbit ordinari inform dilut dpm murphi npri npri system programm larg dead cameron great game finish alexandria not hurre babu kim
comp.sys.mac.hardware	iici rom offer bit clean rom for iix sku new udel edu johnston udel edu bill johnston write thi case reason troubl rom swap appl bit enabl problem mode work fine and not awar technic reason for upgrad rom iix get bit clean rom featur iici rom iix provid market for us mother board sell rom shreve sell for can justifi thi for bit cleanli mode work
comp.sys.mac.hardware	hook mac modem hook hay macintosh modem serial port pin out thi mac printer cabl hook mac serial port can hook two mini port togeth swap pin advanc scott
comp.sys.mac.hardware	connect iisi connect powerbook mac iisi and person laserwrit that can not necessarili silmultaneoulsi print iisi and file share iisi and can expens upgrad for can afford that mark
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	pin simm for care bui articl fce new cso uiuc edu marti sach msach cso uiuc edu write purchas pin simm for quadra chip merchant satisfi past alon work togeth fail call appl for advic and told that problem composit simm composit simm us chip merchant confirm that present sell composit pin simm simm and composit simm not composit simm simm pin simm two memori bank per simm permit us dram devic us simm us for two bank simm can imagin that cheaper build simm dram part reach and exceed bit for bit price pariti part time ago build singl bank simm part thi problem not you want thi dual bank simm cheaper build singl bank composit dale adam
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor hour dai electrici consumpt will you turn overnight heat hard add cost design desktop machin power saver featur built reduc power consumpt automat machin idl for amount time appl and manufactur commit monitor design that that announc administr effort cut wast and fuel consumpt that build work gigawatt wast unus machin and monitor kellei thoma kellei boylan powerpc ibm austin kelleyb austin ibm bui and pai for opinion
comp.sys.mac.hardware	and extend keyboard articl apr otago grad otago write thi question post week ago answer appear net good oil connect appl extend keyboard powerbook earlier question wonderd thi gratefulli reciev will summaris net gener consensu that extend keyboard ergonom keyboard mous rate for appar ident and work fine attach repli order battleship and mous john electr toothbrush think assum that thi appli
comp.sys.mac.hardware	performa articl apr tolten puc rcvillab isluga puc rodrigo carlo villablanca write question difer performa and lciii want you specif and price thi comput can you email rcvillab isluga puc difer appl monitor and performa monitor performa classic performa performa iii performa noth performa made low cost busi solut bundl softwar modem etc retail price you steeper discount shop monitor bui parti cheaper brett noth passion vest interest disguis intellectu convict sean casei white plagu frank herbert
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor hour dai articl uhhi hdg austin ibm kelleyb austin ibm kellei boylan write comput and harddisk drive monitor gener lot heat shouldn hour dai advic care paul empir evid support statement true power surg startup that potenti damag intern power suppli protect turn mac and six time dai for year problem monitor leav wast lot electr twice televis possibl comput electr monitor depend size thing not us shutdown power shutdown iron applianc electr line monitor and power suppli and modem wife doesn iron fault bio med engin brett noth passion vest interest disguis intellectu convict sean casei white plagu frank herbert
comp.sys.mac.hardware	macintosh weeni suck scsi disk subject titl that reli scsi dick for stoarag pain ass
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	svga monitor and centri real stori articl moyman jonathan ecn purdu edu mike moya moyman ecn purdu edu write real stori can hook svga montitor centri intern video make cabl doesn not come appl releas tech note pinout for such reasoj that price for svga lower that mac counterpart wouldn advis wast your time appl treat you idiot and you won answer person opinion safest thing match svga monitor scan rate appl rate don appl video scan rate us micron xceed rate good approxim cabl you someplac fry and mac vga cabl and viewson and us nec adaptor monitor us adaptor mac adaptor that trick system into think monitor appl readjust vertic and horizont size work fairli life lane end half mile ravi konchigeri mongoos leland stanford edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	lciii problem sidewai articl qmir usenet in cwru edu kephart snowhit eeap cwru edu kephart write articl qmgjk menudo edu sunnyt code bch edu write not good idea horizont format hard disk vertic posit drive format horizont posit can not complet compens for gravit pull vertic posit ask thi question ago contempl place side receiv respons seagat trash messag state that newer drive seagat can compens for graviti thi mean that horizont format drive can vertic data integr problem problem put drive format vertic side horizont drive year ago rubber feet side etc and us that sinc design for that orient doesn fit clever place can place lai flat and put low shelf thi not newer drive and meg bought larg drive for averag user compar bui meg drive todai meg drive fragil not meg drive curiou jim melton novic guru email flash austin lockhe voic mail comput never had fax undetect error
comp.sys.mac.hardware	drive speed differ like explan fact that greater densiti inform exist larger capac disk drive smaller your run drive mac recommend sharewar util call timedr test seek scsi throughput and rotat speed thi util you differ drive view express thi post individu author bb number maccont victoria icon bb
comp.sys.mac.hardware	deskwrit driver instal can file that come and for purpos can left for instanc you don want background print can rememb you your deskwrit and print driver drag driver serial appletalk depend your system folder you don font you want straight forward bare bone basic print don instal and can print deskwrit sy and driver toni view express thi post individu author bb number maccont victoria icon bb
comp.sys.mac.hardware	problem background experienc annoi problem background print deskwrit sy deskwrit driver powerbook print word messag spool disk sometim noth print check memori map menu that background not load restart fix thi that background quit unexpectedli and that statu multifind not awar thi inform messag such background quit unexpectedli you thi problem not relat problem experienc problem put comput sleep choos sleep finder menu sometim noth todai whim check memori map and discov that background not load restart reload background and put machin sleep usual mere coincid background crash prevent machin sleep thi problem purchas stylewriterii poor qualiti softwar send your answer directli and post net marc bizer
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra apr edgewai wimsei armani edgewai wimsei write faster processor scsi and faster due separ processor handl function can output bit video monitor meg vram and bit meg quadra and scsi control run speed not scsi can support scsi command that advantag faster drive processor present machin run bu mhz bu mhz quadra support bit color monitor size bit resolut support resolut support support bit and not support vram faster and faster john rutirasiri
comp.sys.mac.hardware	macwatch heard thing call macwatch coupl year ago watch reviev and transmitt for your mac practic upshot that your mac can page your watch and displai small messag flatmat state for week two and interest get info appreci advanc glenn
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor hour dai articl ltdpedinnrsj exodu eng sun gsager heliac eng sun gari sager write btw encourag employe power monitor leav work point that thi monitor power switch front indic that delet thi pet peev mine compani put power switch front equip appl monitor had switch front happili power night almost piec comput equip us switch back includ extern hard drive and modem hope front mount switch becom norm and rich richard long long mcntsh enet dec ludicr speed decwrl mcntsh enet dec long dark helmet long mcntsh dec decwrl enet dec
comp.sys.mac.hardware	slowdown drg biomath mda uth tmc edu david gutierrez write articl tfsquad org douc tfsquad org andrew gewek write manag lab lab ii mac extern and laserwrit ntx problem ii intermitt slow snail pace thi happen intermitt mac depart rang iisi quadra can end slowdown immedi unplug ethernet cabl mac that network put packet storm dai storm effect make mac slow crawl you comput behav exactli you describ question run lowest budget public educ can analyz thi sort packet counter exist and andrew gewek douc tfsquad org andrew gewek fire squad bb public access usenet mail and new saint paul minnesota
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor hour dai long articl npri npri murphi npri npri david murphi wrote cnn factiod last month state that comput left hour dai dai week don recal cnn sourc ljone utkvx utk edu lesli jone yeah big hulk mainfram monitor factoid fabric corrupt tidbit ordinari inform dilut dpm murphi npri npri system programm larg dead cameron great game finish alexandria not hurre babu kim bob brown
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor hr dai long articl npri npri murphi npri npri david murphi wrote cnn factiod last month state that comput left hour dai dai week don recal cnn sourc ljone utkvx utk edu lesli jone add discuss newsgroup misc activ progress jame reynold jpr lehigh edu subject you not turn date mon mar gmt line research shown that major time that unit state million person comput not activ us addit percent left run night and weekend comput equip fastest grow privat sector us electr comput alon believ account for percent commerci electr consumpt and account for ten percent year you leav you big environment benefit you turn you not take second two major power your comput not consum comput monitor you can turn comput turn monitor environment protect agenc form allianc comput manufactur promot introduct energi effici pc that power automat not us and reduc air pollut caus power gener comput will save electr power vermont and hampshir and save billion dollar annual electr bill for special epa energi star logo you bui comput two year epa studi energi save will prevent emiss million ton annual equival million automobil ton and ton nitrogen oxid emiss will save major pollut respons for acid rain your part respons you not turn inform partial inform almanac page and envirnoment protect agenc environment new redistribut thi messag comput bulletin board network memo system etc you can archiv and post you can word respons consum jim reynold end
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor hour dai articl tscinn srvr engin umich edu chyang engin umich edu chung hsiung yang write articl apr utkvx utk edu ljone utkvx utk edu lesli jone write cnn factiod last month state that comput left hour dai dai week don recal cnn sourc yeah includ industri and educ institut that work station sun dec ibm etc etc turn monitor left untouch for min sun dec us turn monitor automat matthew russotto russotto eng umd edu russotto wam umd edu new reader expect disclaim polic search and seizur make us forc not respons for bodili harm result advic
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	activ matrix clr that appl work activ matrix color powerbook come heard rumor that will two month and anoth that will macworld expo boston word jon hutchison andrew cmu edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor hour dai jame reynold jpr lehigh edu organ lehigh univers subject you not turn multipl recipi list psuvm bitnet research shown that major time that unit state million person comput not activ us addit percent left run night and weekend comput equip fastest grow privat sector us electr comput alon believ account for percent commerci electr consumpt and account for ten percent year you leav you big environment benefit you turn you not take second two major power your comput not consum comput monitor you can turn comput turn monitor environment protect agenc form allianc comput manufactur promot introduct energi effici pc that power automat not us and reduc air pollut caus power gener comput will save electr power vermont and hampshir and save billion dollar annual electr bill for special epa energi star logo you bui comput two year epa studi energi save will prevent emiss million ton annual equival million automobil ton and ton nitrogen oxid emiss will save major pollut respons for acid rain your part respons you not turn inform partial inform almanac page and envirnoment protect agenc environment new redistribut thi messag comput bulletin board network memo system etc you can archiv and post you can word respons consum jim reynold susanmari harrington univers michigan
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	svga monitor and centri real stori origion bit miss long short follow origion poster ask us vga svga monitor centri titl answer thi question unqualifi you can us vga svga monitor centri you adaptor us mac vga jame engin run two machin adaptor mention will convert centri row vga svga pin adaptor for your monitor special interest disclaim answer correct for vga monitor resolut your monitor will sync khz horizont adaptor will you choos resolut prefer thi you question match adaptor and sync rate advoc call jame engin clue comment person don bother call appl will treat you idiot thi total untru appl will treat you king assanin idiot for even parti and you want thi treatment you pai for thech support line supposedli compitantli and clue person experi tech suppport for vga monitor maker doesn extend mac soni magnavox addit thi find info you will call dealer you can find sync rate ad hardwar that fit that rate monitor resolut give favor rate mean you can thi you us special applic video card you can resolut thi super smelli sock monitor that will you displai two full page side side you price oder eater video board for and will give you ultra fast horizont sync rate six fast kilohertz and khz vertic note soni centri built video board adaptor boarder inch side imag adjust horizont width favor adaptor thi can reduc half inch
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor hour dai articl usenet uc indiana edu chang hsu liu cliu silver uc indiana edu write jame reynold jpr lehigh edu organ lehigh univers subject you not turn multipl recipi list psuvm bitnet research shown that major time that unit state million person comput not quot delet you can word respons consum jim reynold susanmari harrington univers michigan question peopl copi articl and thing add post name not pick thi person mistak miss unknown net equett miss skip quot materi sinc read and for quot materi and name addit thi suppos agre second thi wonder miss line
comp.sys.mac.hardware	powerbook duo memori system slow you hardwar guru kind memori architectur appl powerbook duo powerbook gener factor that make duo slow compar desktop machin run processor speed mhz wait state memori system etc kind data bu us bit bit slow plug into duodock gener kind shortcut notebook manufactur make notebook heard notebook get whop mip rate similar desktop machin get time that guess averi
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra margin video problem quadra that stump coupl tech vendor thi quadra stuf ram vram and larg disk happen that variabl interv time video circuitri lose vertic sync quit appar that mac cpu and problem lie video circuitri sinc you can save your document quit your aplpic even pull menu etc displai scroll lik crazi pretti hard hit menu item had origin logic board replac twice and problem occur board intev occurr vari board had thi problem cach turn thi symptom that not relat video circuitri cach cpu second board had problem minut not put origin back current board thi problem lot week twice hour yesterdai technician that come figur pretti sharp and number sensibl thing had previous ourselv includ swap ram swap vram swap monitor appl rgb and appl rgb swap cabl disconnect and boot floppi sacrif small mammal fact put rasterop procolor nubu problem fix not occur intern video procolor video vendor cannot reproduc problem back shop board that exhibit lab appl get bit piss ship board that cannot find wrong and get ship back faulti specul bet that appl vendor test board that ram and vram simultanea find hard reproduc problem can reproduc ram thi red her vendor repres blame metal your wall claim that wall metal interfer mac oper anoth lab work charm not exact spot don thi not want not poltergeist sinc not badg past secur entranc site idea email post spend lot time reboot mac and lot time read new you advanc carlo tiana nasa am research center carlo vision arc nasa gov carlo cv rochest edu carlo white stanford edu rememb you choic carlo vision arc nasa gov
comp.sys.mac.hardware	rgb owner kind power cabl your monitor articl sshinnpvq senat bedfellow mit edu thewho athena mit edu derek fong wrote kind power cord will appl monitor come two type recent bought monitor monitor come type power cabl that plug into switch outlet back larger mac sinc doesn outlet extra standard power cabl includ comput for us monitor comput box not monitor box not cabl expens john werner werner soe berkelei edu berkelei school educ
comp.sys.mac.hardware	asant ethernet adapt for lciii math chip articl syk utoronto andi utoronto andi sun write told local sale that asant come thi lciii pd ethernet adapt option socket board question will fpu perform degrad will put pd card socket motherboard intuit math processor close cpu not good appl call processor direct slot come answer thi experi asant lciii ethernet adapt advanc heard pd slot clock mhz compat style board fpu socket close cpu clock mhz guess board design for lciii can mhz clock extend pd socket real life thoma rnblom email thoma tornblom nexu comm snail mail commun nexu phone box fax uppsala sweden
comp.sys.mac.hardware	power cord plug appl monitor into quadra power suppli finnq senat bedfellow mit edu thewho athena mit edu derek fong write extens cord type cabl can bui plug exist power cord into and plug thi extens cabl into quadra two approach your power cord kind that detach back monitor common you can replac power cord that will monitor back comput you can adpat that connect plug end exist power cord and proper end that plug into back comput cost aprox and comput store clone dealer thing and good price power cord standard you don for special thing mac store
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	identifi thi card ethernet card that card manufactur asant can read asant tech inc copyright maccon rev card fpu socket thin ethernet connector and anoth connector resembel phone connector question will thi card work model seri that pd card will work iisi pd slot problem bit wide slot that conncetor card interest can ship cee countri sham tha seif lam yaghib ibaa oueichek oueichek imag imag jamal majd kutub lab geni informatiqu lgi kablak tareekh thulmaten imag inpg baadak staula ala shuhub felix viallet grenobl
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra margin video articl apr galileo rochest edu carlo merlin cv rochest edu carlo tiana write problem quadra that stump coupl tech vendor thi quadra stuf ram vram and larg disk happen that variabl interv time video circuitri lose vertic sync quit appar that mac cpu and problem lie video circuitri sinc you can save your document quit your aplpic even pull menu etc displai scroll lik crazi pretti hard hit menu item info delet idea email post spend lot time reboot mac and lot time read new you not problem caus softwar thi sort effect runawai program caus init conflict for instanc accident wack regist video hardwar you boot extens and let sit finder you want chang bit address you can access your full ram experi video hardwar regist can access anoth thing recoveri measur us quickkei chang pixel depth displai thi reprogram video hardwar regist and sync restor dale adam
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl video card friend mine recent acquir card for iisi and wonder start black and white numer report worth wonder elabor subject repli encourag vanc joe kasan had similar problem board type and problem not result board zap pram hold command option dur startup you will reset your previou prefer date time remain intact video board will start rememb previou set anthoni saxton elenai creation
comp.sys.mac.hardware	hardwar that fit mail order order extern floppi drive year ago order stock and ship dai week pass and drive call and stock and drive ship week sinc need drive intern hard drive and floppi dead cancel order and haven dealt sinc chri kidwel andrew cmu edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appletalk imagewrit compat need articl apr dcc uchil bherrero cec uchil beltran herrero write sinc imag writer discontinu appl talk printer contin paper printer possibl connect ibm compat printer appl talk net directli net serial hardwar and softwar not found quit solut come macus minifind grappler iisp dot matrix printer interfac cartridg that emul imagewrit lq includ network and spool softwar that multipl user orang micro you find inform futur problem inform post
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor hour dai roi mchip med nyu edu roi smith write hard add cost design desktop machin power saver featur built reduc power consumpt automat machin idl for amount time hard design color classic sinc monitor behav thi manner hade
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	rumour duo bredel tdb mat bredel write paper appl sweden that announc product dock station and paper arriv show price list don call duodock price list mistak appl sweden didn realiz that you talk appl divis appleu appleu main divis that contain peopl feel correct name and configur for major appl custom and gener assum that you talk appleu you appl that thi newsgroup appl divis apparantli free chang name and configur feel that appl canada thi kind stuff time not mistak appl sweden give name appl product appleu call hade
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl keybd can peopl appl keyboard that design ergonom friendli begun experi wrist and hand pain standard keyboard and powerbook can peopl similar experi repli email paul
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor pinout need wonder send pinout appl and rgb monitor part doc misplac lot for your kevin kevin lepard internet lepard mayo edu disclaim opinion mine alon and not necessarili repres mayo foundat mayo clinic person institut
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor hour dai gari sager gsager heliac eng sun wrote btw encourag employe power monitor leav work point that thi monitor power switch front indic that monitor power switch rear not design toler lot power cycl thi appli monitor us worth check you happen monitor switch back not expert spent life for power switch bright control gauss etc etc etc firm belief that reason control switch knob place hard reach design put deliber real question weather thi stupid malici charl herbig unabl locat coffe oper halt masc ucssun sdsu edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor hour dai research shown that major time that unit state million person comput not quot delet question peopl copi articl and thing add post name not pick thi person mistak miss unknown net equett miss skip quot materi sinc read and for quot materi and name addit thi suppos agre second thi wonder miss line copi relev articl thi and post local bbse not newsgroup access kellei thoma kellei boylan powerpc ibm austin kelleyb austin ibm bui and pai for opinion
comp.sys.mac.hardware	drive speed differ articl apr mcontent apana org thoma kreb mcontent apana org write like explan fact that greater densiti inform exist larger capac disk drive smaller your run drive mac recommend sharewar util call timedr test seek scsi throughput and rotat speed thi util you differ drive view express thi post individu author bb number maccont victoriau icon bb larger drive tend multipul platter can adjac bit read parallel result higher throughput higher spindl speed lead increas throughput and reduc seek time due reduct rotat latenc erik speckman
comp.sys.mac.hardware	deskwrit driver problem articl byrn husc harvard edu laurenc byrn byrn scw harvard edu write had success experi deskwrit driver driver nice save default option claim record your paper size font substitut set etc for futur happen that print beep heard and messag displai sort such and such window close finder not memori suffer thi delus marc bizer
comp.sys.mac.hardware	question mac and bui told that doubl speed achiev machin scsi doubl speed prerequisit for photocd multisess capabl mean gain noth compar comment michael savitski tel desi deutsch elektronen synchrotron fax notkestr hamburg germani internet sav dsyibm desi decnet vxdesi savitski
comp.sys.mac.hardware	identifi thi card articl xpzk imag ibaa oueichek oueichek imag write ethernet card that card manufactur asant can read asant tech inc copyright maccon rev card fpu socket thin ethernet connector and anoth connector resembel phone connector question will thi card work model seri that pd card will work iisi pd slot problem bit wide slot won work for rev won work iisi pd slot sinc pd pd iisi and share kind card that conncetor card that baset ethernet connector chad jone dai you fill network manag laughter you break dai you ucla physiolog scienc feel shaft light make cjone physci ucla edu across your face and you you voic meant sign fax and mean maniac
comp.sys.mac.hardware	that chime articl apr nmt edu changw nmt edu willi chang write happen classic onc startup usual powerup tone chime kinda sol music scale and hang give happi mac had powerup thi ask can rememb answer find answer faq and ftp site avail can unusu chime mean spuriou memori check error willi chime hardwar failur type system startup thing that can chime cabl that becom bit loos time you power comput check that cabl tight
comp.sys.mac.hardware	swii system plan get stylewrit for mac ram two floppi drive you recommend whether run system wors switch don real work thi machin for word process word and don advantag word sinc slower comment appreci advanc martin lin triumvir cco caltech edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quickdraw rest insid mac due articl apr msc cornel edu maynard leah msc cornel edu maynard handlei write place bit add bit kinda aesthet pain place hack hack maintain compat origin thing you cast cgrafport grafport and such lot cleaner ditch thi entir mess and start that maynard for delai repli your messag show todai apr appl quickdraw not replac for quickdraw two live quit happili togeth you write app that you want you write hybrid app that suptayoo dave
comp.sys.mac.hardware	deskjet will work bore sister deskjet for weekend and wonder driver for that us mac copi macprint that driver for happi work black white color work that idea regard robert hardesti hardesti meiko custom support engin tele meiko scientif corpor fax trapelo waltham
comp.sys.mac.hardware	upgrad mac us superdr articl apr andromeda rutger edu murrai andromeda rutger edu murrai karstadt write networld lab mac se and pluse don monei bui machin bui superdr for mac folk high densiti disk us equip wonder experi good bad peopl had thi sort upgrad murrai murrai andromeda rutger edu murri don you shell coupl dollar and floptic can read high densiti disk floptic price floptic rang sunni
comp.sys.mac.hardware	question doubl speed perform drive not requir scsi interfac result kbp speed transfer rate word you incorrect inform
comp.sys.mac.hardware	question articl sav dsyibm desi michael desi sav dsyibm desi michael savitski write mac and bui told that doubl speed achiev machin scsi wrong extern plain scsi devic doubl speed prerequisit for photocd multisess capabl multisess capabl and doubl speed two thing that newer rom drive capabl multisess mean that you put pictur photo session drive can read and displai doubl speed transfer type data exclud sound doubl speed mean gain noth compar not multisess capabl thi mean that you lose abil add pictur time bui final sinc not doubl speed drive will requir twice long transfer data exclud sound michael savitski tel desi deutsch elektronen synchrotron fax notkestr hamburg germani internet sav dsyibm desi decnet vxdesi savitski
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac orient bbss interest mac base bb not chicago greatli post list bbss area prefer dan thing firstclass system area code macvallei onlin burbank draw board hacienda height bp hollywood sangabriel vallei mug pasadena and california unform middl earth anaheim byte appl benecia planet bmug berklei macvallei onlin burbank gentl rain forum claremont cyberspac bb culver citi allnet cupertino boi club cupertino meme net fresno sierra mous trap grass vallei draw board hacienda height public bb half moon bai bp hollywood imagin net irvin enet canada guerilla symbiot vern macrocosm livermor onenet lo alto macisland lo angel macshasta shasta foundat newhal sangabriel vallei mug pasadena gooei bb point mugu servant christian bb redondo beach sbamug redondo beach san diego thi not emptv san diego harri bb san francisco bare bone bb san jose citi connect san jose macdaz santa barbara mac magic santa barbara crumal dimens santa clara casa del cyborg santa cruz beacon comminqu simi vallei channel simi vallei jake and mac man solona beach iguana bb sunnyval vizabl walnut creek jason author opinion independ adrenalin onlin adrenalin onlin firstclass charlott adrenalin fido onenet macunion fidonet usenet confer meg file dedic mac user cyberpunk civil libertarian and mecha gamer
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quickdraw rest insid mac due articl appl opstad appl david opstad write for delai repli your messag show todai apr appl quickdraw not replac for quickdraw two live quit happili togeth you write app that you want you write hybrid app that suptayoo thi ask don answer lost answer obviou question will stuff line doc etc develop cd will peopl develop program and such curiou steve lane
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri flaki rep dealer univers order center don financi interest told that lot problem centri didn into detail mention problem floppi drive and intermitt problem print file sound hardwar problem and softwar compat problem machin not recommend centri centri iivx recommend iivx lciii don that net dealer flaki machin appl send door earli your work great buggi jai scott scott uiuc edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	question articl sav dsyibm desi michael desi sav dsyibm desi michael savitski write mac and bui told that doubl speed achiev machin scsi thi complet fals doubl speed prerequisit for photocd multisess capabl thi fals you for multisess capabl multisess capabl base firmwar and electron not drive speed admit that not multisess capabl drive that isn doubl speed mean gain noth compar prove fals comment appl excel doubl speed multi session photocd capabl drive drive base slightli faster toshiba compani sell such drive spin peripher bargain and pli compani hate and relax technolog compani that longtim player mac mailord good sign nec cdr good choic nec mechan clubmac sell for your ooh your germani mailord info you good guess not spin peripher club mac relax tech noth wrong appl base soni mechan and speed ident nec toshiba speed advantag slight averag access time minor and data transfer rate slightli import good luck mark
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri flaki scott uiuc edu jai scott write rep dealer univers order center don financi interest told that lot problem centri didn into detail mention problem floppi drive and intermitt problem print file sound hardwar problem and softwar compat problem machin not recommend centri centri iivx recommend iivx lciii don that net dealer flaki machin appl send door earli your work great buggi work great haven heard problem sound your dealer doesn talk pretti irrespons not reccomend centri basi problem machin recommend iivx lciii doesn make lot sens thi person convinc buggi talk appl assum problem terri
comp.sys.mac.hardware	unknown mac board nation instrument dma identifi thi board that found stuf corner titl that print nation instrument dma fit fine mac iici and snooper name for board connector back and anoth connector top row pin intel processor intel eeprom sticker heard you clueless last option hook workstat and smoke come lot kevin forget kmradk iastat edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl keybd us keyboard iifx and not touch typist advantag loss differ and stress wrist dan dan stratton stratton cwi unomaha edu mac merced and monei not view
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl powerdr ext case instal appl quantum hard drive iisi extern powerdr box hard drive intern that currenti dead conner mechan you thi you you walk detail email directli interest thi email and forward respons you peopl want instruct post summari week advanc bill krauthamm ehg umiami miami edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	question articl sav dsyibm desi michael desi sav dsyibm desi michael savitski wrote mac and bui told that doubl speed achiev machin scsi doubl speed prerequisit for photocd multisess capabl mean gain noth compar comment your sourc wrong doubl speed slow compar typic hard disk can easili handl scsi transfer rate current mac even quadra support scsi you scsi nubu card you don doubl speed us photocd faster read imag disk that can handl photocd singl session can multisess photocd paul
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri flaki articl ydqc uiuc edu scott uiuc edu jai scott write rep dealer univers order center don financi interest told that lot problem centri didn into detail mention problem floppi drive and intermitt problem print file sound hardwar problem and softwar compat problem machin delet net dealer flaki machin appl send door earli your work great buggi lot time you deal financi interest sell you machin you lot opinion oppos factual inform etc sound that thi gui had experi flaki centri and form encompass opinion rest lot peopl frustrat end refus mac xyz good sinc experi machin mac xyz had bad loss andrew duthi aduthi css itd umich edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	radiu videovis articl wier csci wiermac etsu edu wier merlin etsu edu bob wier wrote vagu rememb that kind problem thi board composit pal secam video composit etc covers gener quicktim movi etc macweek gener complimentari april issu oop home and check and found that isnt radiu video vision mention problem chanc bui rel cheap can work and newer model introduc account for price reduct and thousand apolog radiu insert usual disclaim bob wier east texa state commerc texa wier merlin etsu edu watch for address chang
comp.sys.mac.hardware	find adb connector back macintosh powerbook product that us for power devic powerbook thought power adb connector keyboard mous connector spex voltag and serial sort kind soul you talk mac packet info appreci greatli second note pin out mac powerbook modem connector pin data etc charl charl purwin internet purwinc wood ulowel edu unix user friendli system that user choos friendli oracl programm and program alik die gracefulli failur and exit system disrupt
comp.sys.mac.hardware	datadesk keyboard centri fix terri couldn agre you final receiv datadesk keyboard month sendng datadesk check didn phone that you had wait press shift kei disabl extens not dai keyboard arriv month earlier put disclaim keyboard manual david
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mhz clock oscil quest for speed run into problem mhz and mhz clock oscil haven found speed and mhz for test fox electron can make custom oscil sourc cheaper osc and mhz unit complet speed trial gui kuo guykuo washington edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor hour dai articl gi calvin nyu edu roi mchip med nyu edu roi smith wrote wouldn worri wast electr winter month that energi get turn into heat not effici heat build central heat plant such thing ineffici heater chri ellen ellen bnr
comp.sys.mac.hardware	powerbook duo memori system slow articl apr leland stanford edu averi gestalt stanford edu averi wang write you hardwar guru kind memori architectur appl powerbook duo powerbook gener factor that make duo slow compar desktop machin run processor speed mhz wait state memori system etc kind data bu us bit bit huh you thi idea you thi backward duo memori faster equival desktop machin and rest powerbok explan for thi that can refresh faster cycl thing that affect perform factor such us function enhanc fpu duo doesn undock extens and background applic can slow your comput real life differ speed like influenc softwar you run kind screen depth you run etc espen duo bit
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac orient bbss articl apr adrenalin hyerstai adrenalin jason hyerstai wrote interest mac base bb not chicago greatli post list bbss area prefer dan thing firstclass system area code macvallei onlin burbank draw board hacienda height bp hollywood sangabriel vallei mug pasadena don forget lamg lo angel macintosh group bb bb for largest mac user group countri that bmug multi platform number mac
comp.sys.mac.hardware	scsi cabl for sale brand never us inch mac scsi cabl for sale ask for ship thi high don tttttt eeeee eeeee eeee eeee steve liu vvv drlovemd jhunix hcf jhu edu eeeee eeeee drlovemd jhuvm hcf jhu edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	devic ntsc video scsi bu heard scsi devic that can captur video sort devic that can captur frame per second and work scsi bu idea us for sort video conferenc applic told you that burn your ear thought chbeck anl gov
comp.sys.mac.hardware	logitec hand scan mac logitech hand scanner for mac scsi interfac box that standard scanner unit plug into friend ibm hand scanner scsi box and work you can logitech sell you scsi box warn cost mac handscann contain scsi interfac box run upgrad style scanner grai scale model cost gave scan head and softwar box grai scale scanner interfac run make for interfac collin
comp.sys.mac.hardware	floptic kill superdr recent bought pli mgbyte floptic drive and happi us format diskett put floppi superdr check that floptic had format correctli and superdr refus recogn floppi thi disk unread and ask want format even origin system floppi appl will format disk initi fail strang floptic read and disk floppi and crash screw floptic can us start disk pli unrespons idea thi happen for inexpens storag solut and expens repair respond thi thread email mfeldman ac edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor hour dai articl ltdpedinnrsj exodu eng sun gsager heliac eng sun gari sager write work point that thi monitor power switch front thi pet peev mine compani put power switch front equip appl monitor had switch front happili power night almost piec comput equip us switch back includ extern hard drive and modem hope front mount switch becom norm and extra wire and work put switch front easiest place put switch wherev power cord enter machin and peopl hate power cord front prefer power strip
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	price drop price you good not give secret alan planet bmug firstclass bb bmug messag contain thi post not reflect bmug offici view
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	sad mac code that that system error sinc error guess that error font manag error error font declair assum that system that floppi that you start corrupt font that mario murphi planet bmug firstclass bb bmug messag contain thi post not reflect bmug offici view
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor hour dai turn monitor and cpu run time each time cpu directli hook such high current draw line run thi put substanti spike power line possibl lose data damag equip
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	unknown mac board nation instrument dma articl ygdq new iastat edu kmradk iastat edu kevin radk wrote identifi thi board that found stuf corner titl that print nation instrument dma fit fine mac iici and snooper name for board connector back and anoth connector top row pin intel processor intel eeprom sticker heard you clueless last option hook workstat and smoke come made surpris nation instrument bridg point parkwai austin anonymous ftp ftp natinst catalog list follow fetch and deposit dma control channel ieee interfac data rate sec dma and program transfer bit counter timer channel rtsi bu that connector top board link nation instrument board list price board isn catalog superceed dma
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri flaki tthiel uiuc edu terri thiel write scott uiuc edu jai scott write rep dealer univers order center don financi interest told that lot problem centri didn into detail mention problem floppi drive and intermitt problem print file sound hardwar problem and softwar compat problem machin not recommend centri centri iivx recommend iivx lciii don that net dealer flaki machin appl send door earli your work great buggi centri work perfectli problem that notic fastback backup util not work strang thing that work friend time never work machin assum sort softwar problem and not hardwar relat saiid paryavi paryavi matt ksu ksu edu saiid ci ksu edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	unknown mac board nation instrument dma kmradk iastat edu kevin radk write identifi thi board that found stuf corner titl that print nation instrument dma fit fine mac iici and snooper name for board connector back and anoth connector top row pin intel processor intel eeprom sticker heard you clueless last option hook workstat and smoke come lot kevin data aquisit board for mac seri call dma board gpib interfac you call ieee find hope thi help saiid paryavi saiid paryavi paryavi matt ksu ksu edu saiid ci ksu edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	defens performa performa articl apr desir wright edu demon desir wright edu not boomer articl apr tolten puc rcvillab isluga puc rodrigo carlo villablanca write question difer performa and lciii want you specif and price thi comput can you email rcvillab isluga puc difer appl monitor and performa monitor performa classic performa performa iii performa noth performa made low cost busi solut bundl softwar modem etc retail price you steeper discount shop monitor bui parti cheaper brett noth passion vest interest disguis intellectu convict sean casei white plagu frank herbert hmmm that not quit performa real darn close iivx bui imo don low cost busi solut low cost home solut bundl eas thing busi applic you mean retail price quit contrari price darn across countri that imo sell point performa haggl requir kinda saturn car comput set price medium perform readi shop for performa differ sear sigh montgomeri ward silo sigh circuit citi sigh and bizmart sigh couldn chose base sole avail and friendli salesman extra mile you last hear that sell appl admittedli for montgomeri ward and suspect lucki salesfolk spoke didn didli comput peece mac appl dealer spoke you told year ago that bui macintosh montgomeri ward woulda laugh for long long time figur real happi performa and bought appl performa monitor bui parti happi that decis walk plop cash and walk spankin comput dai christma instrument approach procedur autom dot faa ami bryan oaklei ctrbdo iapa mailhost ecn uoknor edu
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri flaki oqcinnh stimpi css itd umich edu aduthi mudskipp css itd umich edu andrew duthi write articl ydqc uiuc edu scott uiuc edu jai scott write your work great buggi lot time you deal financi interest sell you machin you lot opinion oppos factual inform etc sound that thi gui had experi flaki centri and form encompass opinion rest lot that sound spend buck want make mail confess appl hater list common problem noth can fix warranti great lousi jai scott scott uiuc edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri flaki articl ydqc uiuc edu scott uiuc edu jai scott write rep dealer univers order center don financi interest told that lot problem centri didn into detail mention problem floppi drive and intermitt problem print file sound hardwar problem and softwar compat problem machin not recommend centri centri iivx recommend iivx lciii don that net dealer flaki machin appl send door earli your work great buggi jai scott scott uiuc edu mine work great hasit mehta univers rochest primu suck uhura rochest edu captain crunch for frizzl fry
comp.sys.mac.hardware	svga and powerbook question want hook powerbook svga monitor not want bui powerbook do companion can exact cabl connect such cabl can purchas macwharehous comput store bui cabl jame engin run and can hold guess that question advanc for repli john schrieber mail schriejh cnsvax uwec edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	desi upgrad couldn replac becom expens david planet bmug firstclass bb bmug messag contain thi post not reflect bmug offici view
comp.sys.mac.hardware	psi modem problem problem sound even logon mute don want that suggest for that hiss second strang mention that slow time and long log extens and didn slowdown last time onlin quit disconnect and quit disconnect wouldn quit had forc quit and launch modem port us thi strang thought fax softwar restart reset modem port like explan suggest david planet bmug firstclass bb bmug messag contain thi post not reflect bmug offici view
comp.sys.mac.hardware	gcc plp laser printer tech support line for gcc planet bmug firstclass bb bmug messag contain thi post not reflect bmug offici view
comp.sys.mac.hardware	torx screwdriv articl austin ibm login austin ibm write ago own and want upgrad memori order toolkit macwarehous for includ anti static had success jam standard screwdriv slot bang hammer and twist throw darn thing and put real screw methink thi sell damn screwdriv
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	powerbook bui iisi and bui powerbook can give list model and for passiv matrix activ memori size upgrad intern modem disk size you provid price that not inform powerbook oper post problem that encount such trackbal not work horizont list advic you advanc kordi wichita state univers
comp.sys.mac.hardware	can mac superdr read unix disk program util that will enabl mac read unix disk warren warren laplac biologi yale edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mhz iisi mhz iisi us radio shack heat sink compound solut clamp work fine caution hold don tilt your mac
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri flaki plai centri for last coupl week problem that that coupl applic run incompat processor cach run turn main thing don that doesn softwar powerup powerdown and power switch directli floppi drive haven hit think eject disk tire night upset that design decis problem floppi and print fine print across localtalk net not directli connect printer bill
comp.sys.mac.hardware	info want upgrad power suppli netter want uprad power suppli bit color card instal crc compon inc deal compat power suppli manifactur power system phone fax number repli mail kensuk nakajima
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri flaki articl ydqc uiuc edu scott uiuc edu jai scott write net dealer flaki machin appl send door earli your work great buggi work charm fact flaki great comput even had return coupl appl good samuel christian zehr zeh midwai uchicago edu bio comput lab whitman chicago
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	tone death test instal kanjitalk iici and black screen sick mac icon and hit programm reset tone sequenc that guess infam tone death reboot floppi remov japanes system and set system folder hard drive system back overt problem mac idea caus tone forget number fff come mind diagnost older system version catch and not move and worldscript and advanc hiroki hiroki morizono depart biochemistri univers minnesota fax gortner avenu hiroki limerick cb umn edu paul
comp.sys.mac.hardware	stylewrit dy articl apr ultb isc rit edu bsd ultb isc rit edu davidson write bought stylewrit coupl month ago and print notic white line gap run line print almost paper advanc smidg advanc line replac ink cartridg think problem line notic thi problem rid brian davidson internet bsd ultb isc rit edu had similar problem stylewrit origin you clean print head swii driver and option print dialog box sometim had time crud wast ink beat white annoi line anoth idea print coupl page big black box can ink flow good luck beth corbo corbo lclark edu
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	flaki larg memori simm last two week problem two simm and simm month bought vendor and instal peopl comput begin crash frequent lock and ultim memori chime crash almost occur you move screen and sometim occur you weren even touch comput case take machin apart take memori and put back solv problem for awhil comeback margin educ guess happen that larger simm lopsid that insert point sort pivot point and time begin move pressur keyboard had such problem solut you support end simm prevent move had problem for past week replac simm mbsimm thi not desirebl solut email resp and post useful rest world ted ted schreiber mechan engin northwestern univers tel fax email rt nwu edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	rec mac video system card softwar good platform for fairli basic video work natur read real video for playbak app minnut length basic edit featur for video rearang sequenc ad grapic slide power point etc not familiar thi stuff good system crisp perform for educ promot thing video qualiti decent think tempest cyclon big drive load ram floptic optic not card and softwar that email respons ted schreiber mechan engin northwestern univers tel fax email rt nwu edu
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	acceler mac problem recent acceler mac micromac mhz acceler and can mac boot hard disk boot fine floppi and can mount hard disk scsi probe cannot boot hard drive instal driver don that problem thi pose larg problem meg ram and run mathematica requir meg hope us system virtual memori that run mathematica can run system floppi can ram suggest for your time chrisw yang earlham edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	can mac superdr read unix disk program sumex that mac superdr read and write unix tar diskett ronald nicholson rhn netcom rhn sigm ywu includ cannon disclaim
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	powerpc and mac happen question that answer opinion sinc think bui iii powerpc base mac announc will happen base mac system last word for base mac will real multi task for mac will for nubu pd equip mac add powerpc board system hate that put machin that month part dead end product line advanc mike norman bell northern research box station ottawa ontario canada internet mwnorman bnr tel fax hasta vista babi schwarzenegg
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	hardwar that fit mail order articl unix andrew cmu edu christoph bruce kidwel andrew cmu edu write order extern floppi drive year ago order stock and ship dai week pass and drive call and stock and drive ship week sinc need drive intern hard drive and floppi dead cancel order and haven dealt sinc chri kidwel andrew cmu edu had unpleas experi hardwar that shi featur repeat li thing had ship salesperson total ignor sell charg for duti had specif assur not payabl and monitor hous brand page monochrom that unadulter piec junk misfortun experi world electron ship back and refund monei cost for long distanc charg refund tax and duti and lost time don deal
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	clock speed centri actual clock speed centri mhz mhz advanc peter white csc albani edu pwhite mac archiv umich edu
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	format disk arrai northern telecom disk arrai date that two drive unit and cannot format set scsi and softwar recogn unit cannot mount us drive arrai drive possibl newer softwar fwb hdt and will greatli appreci grei grei mull blain catt ncsu edu smoke pot dodg draft cheat gbmull eo ncsu edu your wife becom presid ncsu catt program american dream
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comp.windows.x	background process applic written server program make socket connect node and collect data that node period displai thi data applic invok thi server xtaddapptimeout work problem time delai collect data doesn return eventloop that time and applic remain busi and doesn respond user input button press event queu and exect server finish task appaddinput call that read pipe read pipe think creat pipe server will write and client applic will read doubt you clarifi fork process will creat copi process thi two copi mean two shell fork applic respons thi process call thi process can fork process that can read server input samir patel spatel tamu edu
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comp.windows.x	xsun not find default font sol joel zodiac code joel reymont write netter built solari us multi screen patch suno patch and build great for that error messag xsun startup cannot set default font path stuff delet and cannot set default font fix suppli option doesn complain font path complain font symlink usr lib place distribut live run xsun truss thi log network and type truss open xsun open opt lib font misc font dir rdonli open opt lib font misc font alia rdonli open opt lib font speedo font dir rdonli open opt lib font speedo font alia rdonli err enoent open opt lib font dpi font dir rdonli open opt lib font dpi font alia rdonli open opt lib font dpi font dir rdonli open opt lib font dpi font alia rdonli open opt lib font misc pcf rdonli open opt lib font misc cursor pcf rdonli thi will give you and idea xsun thing font you defin project root and make instal default even symbol link casper
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comp.windows.x	save han bo han xelion wrote problem server window obscur pop window save attribut set subwindow window not restor subwindow redrawn parent window get expos event save attribut us for pop window that obscur window expos event had problem and machin work us back store save marcu marcu schnell marcu iiasa intern institut for appli system analysi iiasa laxenburg austria phone fax vice commission australian rule internet footbal leagu arifl
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comp.windows.x	cannot creat plane window er problem not creat window bit plane code illustr problem includ stdio includ xlib includ xutil main displai displai window win xvisualinfo vinfo colormap colormap xsetwindowattribut attribut xevent event statu statu displai xopendisplai null statu xmatchvisualinfo displai defaultscreen displai truecolor vinfo statu fprintf stderr visual not found exit colormap xcreatecolormap displai defaultrootwindow displai vinfo visual allocnon attribut colormap colormap win xcreatewindow displai defaultrootwindow displai inputoutput vinfo visual cwcolormap attribut xmapwindow displai win for xnextev displai event thi sgi plane truecolor server and plane directcolor server neccessari chang run client side xlib and decstat and xlib decstat combin gave badmatch error createwindow request can manual attribut give badmatch colormap belong wrong visual visual correctli match not error messag wrong for inform can that xwud abort error karsten internet kr kampsax karsten spang phone kampsax data fax box hvidovr denmark
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comp.windows.x	server documentaion can document server intern btw interest document tiga hint rainer rainer hochreit telephon elin energieanwendung gesmbh telefax penzingerstr wien austria europ mail rainer elin
comp.windows.x	menubutton widget question scott evan server virginia edu write creat button that label and bitmap menubutton widget thi bitmap sign label that expect sentenc describ bitmap resourc menubutton section athena widget set languag interfac document state bitmap bitmap displai label round thi make us button backgroundpixmap resourc rememb that you user your applic won set resourc file button won automat size bitmap bitmap will tile you set button dimens match size jim wight newcastl depart comput scienc univers newcastl tel newcastl tyne unit kingdom fax
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comp.windows.x	button sensit problem motif app openwindow motif applic consist multipl transient shell children singl toplevel shell appshel toplevelshel transientshel transientshel transient shell pop applic modifi sensit button toplevel shell hidden transient shell window transient shell pop button sensit correct button text remain unchang solid shade subsequ select button text revert correct visual state trace event messag applic event mwm not present openwindow suggest solut post send mail
comp.windows.x	cannot creat plane window summari articl apr nbivax nbi spang nbivax nbi karsten spang write problem not creat window bit plane gave badmatch error createwindow request can manual attribut give badmatch colormap belong wrong visual visual correctli match answer complet errol crari errolc tek look server list mit server dix window and wai you can badmatch error even reilli book borderwidth nonzero for inputonli class inputonli depth find depth and visual accept for thi screen vmask cwborderpixmap cwborderpixel class inputonli depth pparent drawabl depth vmask cwcolormap class inputonli visual ancwopt visual ancwopt colormap case inputonli not your case reilli case case not case sinc you visual for screen case suspici you give cwborder attribut mask and sinc visual not parent depth suspect you suppli border pixel colormap you us for thi window case not problem sinc you suppli cwcolormap attribut for your karsten internet kr kampsax karsten spang phone kampsax data fax box hvidovr denmark
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comp.windows.x	xlib timeout articl ccdw kudu ccdw kudu dave wilson write process modifi applic that xlib includ timer driven facil for network poll you sort thing that main loop that you rig timer queue and you put select poll call your main loop you can obtain file descriptor displai connect connectionnumb displai function main loop dispatch quit good new you can sourc and plagiar
comp.windows.x	summari virtual mous articl frolv awvi andrew cmu edu derrick brashear andrew cmu edu write todai gari risebrough and work fine excerpt mail apr virtual keybo ito aodc gov openwindow keyboardcommand full openwindow virtualgrabkei fals work can find man page virtualgrabkei resourc doesn show openwindow man page larri virden inet lvirden ca org person fall place reynoldsburg
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comp.windows.x	mit magic cooki turn xauthor mit magic cooki server cpu head xtermin run into coupl problem applic mapl doesn understand deliv magic cooki and won run displai author turn second peopl client softwar remot machin and don want hassl copi xauthor file remot machin assum that client support xauthor turn mit magic cooki default privileg user turn drop back host base author turn chang xconfig file for head and client author set for xtermin privileg user can thi check support line and doesn can confirm thi you accomplish want btw run hpux and vue advanc rick rick mcteagu electr engin depart speed scientif school univers louisvil louisvil internet sysrick starbas spd louisvil edu disclaim stand comedian take wrong
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comp.windows.x	buttonpress buttonreleas event multipl client can captur buttonpress buttonreleas event multipl client want user displai lock screen can keypress keyreleas and pointer motion event user press mous button locat mous doesn move can captur event reilli xlib program manual vol page client can select button event window time due grab that automat take place appreci deryl steinert du ornl gov
comp.windows.x	congruent corpor motif window peopl email ask for inform congruent corpor product motif unix applic function window todai telephon number kind person name sam give attribut mail applic vm number call york citi email address info congruent product ntnix detail not send email info not arriv cheer folk snail lsl wash hand conflict power and powerless mean side power not neutral quot freir poster oxfam
comp.windows.x	congruent corpor motif info follow headerless edit email messag full for header congruent corpor todai receiv minut ago and haven read fun product overview exist unix applic host window includ common support client support termin multius facilit port unix applic window bsd behavior program librari target market custom unix applic want standard window host window minim effort permit client singl window system support multipl user server can termin unix base base window base bsd librari behavior minim unix port effort layer standard librari winsock registri path drive replac bsd includ file layout true berkelei socket suppli common bsd function miss program librari complet librari motif widget librari motif uil registri base configur locat direct window gdi local socket winnt support applic includ full set client applic motif window manag mwm multius capabl ntnixterm special adapt xterm special host command shell lognam home facil multipl user multipl server can simultan access singl system termin support bootp boot termin tftpd for font load font server for scale font xremot for serial slip info congruent congruent inform snail lsl wash hand conflict power and powerless mean side power not neutral quot freir poster oxfam
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comp.windows.x	want diagram draw program for program draw kind diagram linux system free run standard monochrom small screen size motif openlook etc compil linux gcc gener unix softwar work produc postscript file that can includ into latex document dvip anoth free program that convert support format produc draw that larger window size scrollabl such program idraw xfig tgif experi featur program abil draw circl arc straight line box and arrow support for dash and solid line style for object support for text size abil move copi resiz rotat part draw abil turn part draw into librari compon transistor symbol compos line arrow and circl aid numer coordin screen grid align part draw essenti fact handi preserv connect move part draw line that connect that part rest draw stai connect ideal want tool gener and flexibl that comfort draw electron schemat flow chart logic diagram data flow diagram and block diagram want program offer featur whishlist and program demand program respect disk space memori and cpu usag program work linux monochrom lennart
comp.windows.x	aix version andrew andrew consortium school comput scienc carnegi mellon pleas announc aui for aix andrew user interfac system version cdrom version develop for aix version ibm and platform accomod aix version creat patch sourc patch and accompani instruct for applic can retriev charg anonym ftp internet host emsworth andrew cmu edu directori aixpatch for internet access diskett can order for send fax purchas order address below base system can order cdrom ftp host note that thi patch add addit function simpli aui compil aix andrew user interfac system aui comprehens environ top window you can creat us and mail multi media applic and document major advantag aui capabl recurs emb object can edit text that not contain multipl font indent and typographi contain embed raster imag spreadsheet draw editor equat simpl anim and embed object can object includ text aui compon andrew user environ integr and extens set applic begin text editor system system monitor tool editor base shell interfac and editor type object andrew toolkit atk portabl object orient user interfac toolkit that architectur object can embed anoth toolkit programm can creat object that can embed easili that come system andrew messag system am multi media interfac mail and bulletin board am support mail manag strategi and implement advanc featur includ authent return receipt automat sort mail vote collect and tabul enclosur audit trail relat messag and subscript manag varieti interfac that support tty and low function person comput addit high function workstat current public releas andrew version includ support for internet mime multipurpos internet mail extens standard for multipart multimedia mail newer releas for member andrew consortium numer addit featur includ editor for draw imag font and user prefer remot andrew demo servic you can andrew your work station remot andrew demo servic you host machin internet run window system you compos multimedia document navig interact andrew tour and us andrew messag system brows cmu thousand bulletin board and newsgroup start remot andrew demo servic simpli run command your machin finger atk itc cmu edu servic will give you instruct inform andrew inform request andrew consortium carnegi mellon univers smith hall forb avenu pittsburgh usa phone fax info andrew request andrew cmu edu contact info andrew request andrew cmu edu for addit inform
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comp.windows.x	configur event handl repost two question expos configur event handl appl window draw sinc give user capabl scale and zoom allow window resiz made translat tabl for expos configur event expos event call redraw method configur event call rescal method rescal method invok fake expos event call redraw expos struct draw data quest appl compil link run env multipl redraw window get uncov size chang assum get cascad event that suggest handl trap event quest appl compil link expos event whatsoev event and translat tabl act differ advanc steve kellei umcp umiac captain protest skellei umiac umd edu not merri man worf
comp.windows.x	print applic applic draw graph bar chart etc includ print support for applic user can print graph applictaion click print button not can invok xwd xpr applic and window window dump and send thi file for print wai thi thi regard mahendra mail your repli not regular reader thi new group will post summari suffici interest mahendra chheda mmc rit edu mmc ritvax isc rit edu offic resid dept comput scienc kimbal drive rochest institut tech rochest tel tel
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comp.windows.x	roman font avail can avail roman font for window unicod and han idiograph font convers tool for get macintosh font into format suitabl for assum not difficult for bitmap font faq for thi group and comp font not help question matthew freedman washington inform system mattf cac washington edu av floor seattl
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comp.windows.x	server document can document server intern btw interest document tiga hint rainer rainer hochreit telephon elin energieanwendung gesmbh telefax penzingerstr wien austria europ mail rainer elin book window system server version releas elia israel erik fortun digit press copyright order number isbn isbn post email name bkilgor spake master programm dai program life becom meaningless geoffrei jame tao program disclaim and opinion mine william bruce kilgor email bkilgor ip iacd honeywel phone smail black canyon hwy phoenix
comp.windows.x	get openbug for motif titl list bug for motif neal
comp.windows.x	xmtextfield truncat lang bug found situat bug motif hope mistak part thi problem xmtextfield and set xmnvalu hardcod text string ascii kanji xtsetvalu xmtextsetstr problem that xmtextfield displai text get truncat depend set environ variabl lang specif set japanes text get truncat set english work fine take default for xmncolumn note that hardcod text not actual applic sampl code make thing easier run motif hpux test program set handl bit kanji charact rememb xtsetlanguageproc prior mrminiti and font resourc set japanes font don thi matter dialog box and textfield initi creat uil problem not happen xmtext substitut xmtextfield xmtext applic not accept altern code modifi beta small test program illustr problem guess that code motif not properli alloc memori for japanes sinc don sourc guess thi sound familiar you suggest you want sampl program susan swalker bbn
comp.windows.x	intrins slow popup articl apr alex bryan alex bryan boreham write shell wait for window manag respond posit request window manag not respond think window place exactli two compon into thi sulk unclear inform greatli receiv thi problem caus bad interact olwm repar window misfeatur protocol and bug intrins intrins bug that ignor posit reparentnotifi event olwm structur such that window pop last event client receiv reparentnotifi event thi point intrins notion shell locat date setvalu posit intrins think move shell issu configurewindow request move mi featur protocol that configurewindow request that effect will gener configurenotifi event intrins wait for event that will never arriv and time wmtimeout expir thing somewhat complex request redirect window manag net result solut for intrins note posit inform reparentnotifi event thi implement and public fix thi xbug for you interest gorier detail mark stuart mark stuart mark eng sun window system technolog garcia av sunsoft inc mountain view
comp.windows.x	xview window posit problem don window posit reliabl xview function int frame int frame for exampl set frame come correct posit top left corner size handl return return interven set frame frame fit canva and turn measur screen that posit pixel canva rel frame origin appreci derek relat subject queri window manag thick border put frame etc derek richardson tel institut astronomi fax cambridg mail dcr mail ast cam
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comp.windows.x	problem german keyboard sparc yesterdai chang keyboard sparc german keyboard and cannot alt graph charact tild usw exit can charact not can give hint check for correct instal keyboard martin kreutzer
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comp.windows.x	prevent user hit ctrl alt bksp exit admin for run aix motif and xdt want prevent user hit cntl alt bkspc exit invok xinit that doesn work xinit append call xinitrc and not call man page xinit fact tell that xinit script binari file accomplish thi feat add call usr lpp default xserverrc not thi idea brian deford internet deford netwrx open network inc usenet uunet netwrx deford commerc park tel reston fax want prevent
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comp.windows.x	colormap problem save imag machin and redisplai imag anoth machin model imag creat xcreateimag and xgetimag and displai xputimag imag redisplai correctli that color wrong server machin colormap save colormap pixel and rgb valu and redisplai perform tabl lookup colormap thi didn work rgb combo don exist colormap forc server load color into set pixel valu simpler solv thi problem xinitcolormap couldn that work appreci don lemoin naval surfac warfar center dahlgren divis dahlgren dlemoin xobu nswc navi mil
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leed simon street suit unit kingdom nashua tel tel fax fax sdarl wpine applelink whitepin vware visionwar price user user user user user user user educ discount ad user instal xremot support per bundl upgrad full document evalu copi latest version cpu memori mbyte mbyte recommend oper system do window mous recommend not requir graphic window compat graphic ethernet card network softwar ftp tcp excelan lan workplac for do locu tcp for do ungermann bass net tcp wollongong win tcp for do beam whitesid tcp sun nf lan manag arpa servic for do open disk space inch high densiti inch high densiti featur copi and past and window us host window manag window control client support for color class staticgrai grayscal staticcolor pseudocolor truecolor and directcolor user option for perform enhanc releas server font and server extens includ xdmcp icccm compliant client us window font easi configur system dialog box function button mous support for intern keyboard support window host access control 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comp.windows.x	button popup menu athena widget driven batti creat popup menu button press and menu appear us standard athena class achiev thi goal for attempt cannot menu come menubutton parent widget tree thi xtpopupspringload and twiddl escap read document for simplemenu posit simplemenu refer document had not thi min knock wcl applic that you want command widget even you not familiar wcl exampl simpl pretti obviou crucial thing us xawpositionsimplemenu and menupopup action ari wcchildren app app wccreat command app wcpopup menu app translat overrid btn xawpositionsimplemenu menu menupopup menu menu wccreat simplemenu menu wcchildren two wccreat smebsb two wccreat smebsb wccreat smebsb jim wight newcastl depart comput scienc univers newcastl tel newcastl tyne unit kingdom fax
comp.windows.x	copyright will zillion lawyer paid will sue your brain gosh can send anoth planet send appl microsoft and that rid terribl product jda nada kth drag drop dead johan danielsson
comp.windows.x	seek simpl articl nenuphar saclai cea basil soleil serma cea basil starynkevitch write seek simpl window manag icccm compliant minim doc don want twm gwm twm happen uwm form year sinc us heard talk paul pmartz dsd evan sutherland
comp.windows.x	for window hasti netcom amancio hasti write your perform will suck lemon run xserver clone clone almost name gener xstone mhz system show realist price tag can tektronix termin for and perform xstone excus cach isa card run bsd you can xstone mhz doubt nice point price perform not perform mark davi lake taylor hospit norfolk sy administr comput servic mark taylor mark taylor
comp.windows.x	for window articl labtam labtam graem labtam labtam graem gill write articl hastyc zgqc fux netcom hasti netcom amancio hasti write your perform will suck lemon run xserver clone clone almost name gener xstone mhz system can tektronix termin for and perform xstone you will not come even close perform seri you excus cach isa card run bsd you can xstone mhz doubt thi appl appl run benchmark network clone and and you get xstone you good machin termin aren server you graem gill add that mbdisk cost color make not appl appl xtermin provid price perform pc you can make cheaper and perform wors and you can make perform great and cost you pai extra for addit functin and expand for home user that extra function worth ad cost kelli murrai
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comp.windows.x	multi line greet xdm put multi line greet such thing xresourc file don for book can mark van overbek system softwar programm comput servic bitnet mark umnmor bitnet vm univers minnesota morri internet mark caa mr umn edu vm morri mark cda mr umn edu ultrix success progress realiz your worthwhil goal dream
comp.windows.x	color and window aicon extract color readm file for anthoni icon librari for network discuss color coordin start discuss comp window start year sort standard color tabl that icon follow color includ color for small grei scale respond problem that color for icon us willi nilli you will find that workstat color tabl devot sole window manag icon and adminstr task applic that requir color for proper work color need applic such pictur and graphic display anim real time video raytrac etc suggest color tabl for icon and gener us icon window manag and gener applic follow thi tabl applic color need for each primari color red green blue color valu and thi result color repres standard color for us icon two extra shade grei vale black and white red color primari color provid shade and button and titlebar window manag thi tabl repres color and repres larg rang posibl for administr servic workstat anthoni thyssen sysprog griffith univers anthoni cit edu god idea amus snake ladder game greas rung terri pratchett wyrd sister
comp.windows.x	automat configur displai variabl ainman css itd umich edu andrew dougla inman write unix machin automat set displai variabl that xterm you not machin that serv you come convolut script that extract your who command and frequent fail not mention that requir your user name ad andrew inman consult itd consult and support servic ainman umich edu univers michigan note thi subject method automat passwd author machin anoth thi includ problem notif remot host current displai that us us rsh rexec method xauth manual set your rhost file home directori remot machin that password not requir remotli execut command xauth extract displai rsh xauth merg thi method us xrsh pass author vampir program variat wrap part remot command sequenc xauth add auth includ thi method us xrlogin and xrsh thi job for you program usal newer that you pass secifi list environ variabl includ displai and copi author code requir xon program enabl sun machin will pass environ variabl current directori you will requir store author such variabl for pass you share home directori warn environ variabl and command line argument visibl list appropi flag such pass author inform environ variabl argument not recomend recommend method manual shown safe view user wrap part term environ variabl thi method fact that remot command executor pass term environ variabl remot host matter appropi script your remot login file extract inform term environ variabl and set thing appropiatli version xrlogin script network thi basic you chang term environ variabl actual call rlogin perform includ your displai and your author remot machin you extract thi inform and return term environ variabl normal you us for reset stty ing your termin script for launch rlogin bin bin rlogin displai displai case displai displai hostnam displai esac term term displai xauth nextract displai export term rlogin add your cshrc login term echo term echo term cut xauth nmerg setenv displai echo term cut setenv term echo term cut endif endif xterm command us xterm hostnam bin hostnam nf write file share nf partit you access note that home directori nf mount author automat pass hoever you will pass your displai environ variabl file mean login host echo displai host remot host setenv displai cat host finger for info plan file thi involv encrypt inform into your plan project and remot machin finger for inform thi disadvantag inform finger user requir encrypt method that uniq each individu method decyrpt not share easi determin improv us finger techniqu give inform your remot account and not ask thi last method develop last year second year until explain for encrypt point gave thi method valid method easer secur anthoni thyssen sysprog griffith univers anthoni cit edu magic real declar integ john melvin
comp.windows.x	view postscript file window subject ghostscript will solv earlier request convert postscript hpgl filter into interleaf david warren internet warren atmo washington edu beaver atmo washington edu warren dept atmospher scienc univers washington decu pub librari committe repres sealug decu vice chair
comp.windows.x	vxt window termin denni hart date cst hart tel dept ccsg scwa sa internet addresse smtp xpert expo lc mit edu subject vxt window termin vxt window termin and associ softwar network open lat termin window workstat node unabl lat session work custom termin secur lat connect invok lat session vxt result messag displai termin manag window messag area host not support session host vax model and support session open lat termin window and log into server node set displai variabl follow set displai creat node lat transport lat and creat decterm vxt follow creat term decterm detach fail and error messag dectermport fail find languag xopendisplai return null decw open displ can open displai vxt system default default font languag for secur option connect and option enabl lat protocol window termin and thing lat session vm version run decwindow motif vax model denni hart atlant research corpor director comput scienc eglin afb
comp.windows.x	compil xtmenu troubl compil xtmenu run sparc ipc suno and openwindow get undefin refer argument xtsetarg such xttextedit xttextread etc wrong version librari miss includ file greatli appreci jeff jeff whitmir man comput email jwhit wbst xerox can put aboard spacecraft phone and that snailmail salt road can mass produc webster unskil labor wernher von braun
comp.windows.x	seek simpl pmartz dsd paul martz write articl basil soleil serma cea basil starynkevitch write seek simpl window manag icccm compliant minim doc don want twm gwm twm happen uwm form year sinc us heard talk posit that uwm isn icccm compliant you want sourc export lc mit edu pub kaleb
comp.windows.x	port screensav function thi question aim server code hack attempt add work savescreen function server screen blank properli and debug can that savescreen function call for arcan reason mean blank screen problem that thi function never call even move mous and type kei question like miss that thi problem copi basic design function exist version static bool savescreen scr screenptr scr bool thi copi omron server code screen saver nextsetlasteventtim screen saver save user current set save screen bright nxscreenbright eventhandl nxsetscreenbright eventhandl blank screen unblank screen nxsetscreenbright eventhandl save screen bright return true can server code screensav call turn saver cannot find wake server and unblank screen tip appreci dougla scott center for comput music research and composit univers california santa barbara internet nextmail doug foxtrot ccmrc ucsb edu
comp.windows.x	blink cursor xterm bernward moepi open bernward averwald write don confus mous cursor text cursor xterm control applic back dai analys xterm code cursor implement draw rectangl charact doesn chang til you sourc you add blink cursor xtappaddtimeout similar app addtimeout doesn work xterm despit appear contrari xterm not base applic sourc timeout and input never check xterm main loop don surpris you thi and doesn work kaleb
comp.windows.x	ic widget data book articl nordic offshor olav nordic offshor jan olav eid write can obtain inform ic widget data book email address and don read repli mail ic integr comput solut incorpor broadwai cambridg vox fax email info ic circl reader servic card mike mcgari mcgari intellect intellect inc dalla texa vox fax
comp.windows.x	xterm font bernward moepi open bernward averwald write articl taylor mark taylor mark davi write problem you run into us lot ascii termin and us max mean lot attribut line thi mean need attribut work includ bold and line draw font meet criteria pair font bold and normal linedraw fix space and size standard font work font and misc work great font size larger work bold counterpart you don bold counterpart man xterm font thi option specifi font us di plai bold text thi font height and width normal font normal bold font will us normal font and bold font will produc overstrik thi font default overstrik normal font that font your xterm terminfo termcap set not remap bold default revers noth happen bold displai you cannot displai bold xterm two font normal and bold prove that incorrect mark davi lake taylor hospit norfolk sy administr comput servic mark taylor mark taylor
comp.windows.x	sun openwindow problem static link and librari build two execut for applic call papp share lib and spapp static link problem that problem build static not dynam trace below btw static run fine despit omin error messag can clue static bomb link time sandiwai sandiwai fong nec research institut inc independ princeton fax link stage usr quintu bin sun start bstatic papp usr quintu gener qplib librari sun libpl usr quintu gener qplib librari sun libplm usr quintu bin sun libqp lsspkg lxpm usr local guid lib lguidexv lxvp lxview lolgx lxext lcp lpixrect spapp undefin xesetcreategc xesetfreefont xesetclosedisplai xeseterror xinitextens xesetfreegc xesetcopygc xesetcreatefont xesetflushgc xeseteventtowir xeseterrorstr xesetwiretoev error code make fatal error command fail for target spapp ldd spapp spapp static link share lib version link exactli save for omiss bstatic ldd papp lsspkg usr local lib libsspkg lxpm usr local lib libxpm lxvp usr openwin lib libxvp lxview usr openwin lib libxview lolgx usr openwin lib libolgx usr openwin lib libx lcp usr openwin lib libcp usr lib libc lpixrect usr lib libpixrect ldl usr lib libdl
comp.windows.x	onlin motif widget bucki pnl gov pelkei write for onlin motif widget public domain run sun sparc interest widget that can integr hypertext graphic etc that gui builder galaxi come onlin widget check into stand alon widget not pick gui tool widget thi resourc issu thanh tma encor
comp.windows.x	stop and applic titl articl colorado edu hoswel alumni colorado edu mike hoswel write quit familiar varieti window titl set method question resourc etc stop applic abil name name iconnam properti that featur icccm specifi app set titl oblig thi bother you complain app writer care not nice applic want control write your that doesn support icccm write program that you give window and titl your program can set window titl for app and app your program switch back mike mike hoswel hoswel ncar ucar edu never stop toast bagel climat and global dynam disclaim repres ncar box boulder that for nice carl schmidtmann faultlin softwar group inc karo court cw faultlin appl decwrl gigo cw sunnyval
comp.windows.x	gui builder for vm for gui builder uim run vm openvm environ interest motif tool and gui independ tool such xvt client requir that tool product for month vm environ note that list tool faq not info vm avail mark collier southwest research institut senior research analyst autom and data system divis voic data system depart fax softwar engin section
comp.windows.x	xnlock xdm xnlock screensav for base server interv activ session end thi not happen us xscreensav screensav command fire xsession thi xautolock time locker xnlock corner cornerdelai hypothesi that xdm us xdmcp start session detect period inact server termin session for reason thi not happen xscreensav workaround prefer respons mail econom not for atract real world problem simpl and clear solut for individu recommend astrolog hugo sonnenschein
comp.windows.x	detect save geometri program monitor resiz posit event that program exit can save last geometri sort prefer file ad event handler for structurenotifi toplevelshel xtaddeventhandl toplevel structurenotifymask fals configurecb mydata thi work fine and callback call whenev window resiz reposit window manag mwm resiz window resiz handl window manag resiz decor and set xevent pass event handler callback access xconfigur structur manual xev xconfigur xev xconfigur width and height memeb correct reposit window window manag xevent xconfigur structur contain correct width height member set resiz and set handl detect and save geometri xtgetvalu toplevel widget exit applic destroi widget and garbag valu for width height resourc bob ross ross loral plow that name that name loral instrument san diego plow homer simpson
comp.windows.x	xkernel sun built xkernel for work great and kiss entir sun architetur goodby and reclaim bunch disk space email direct post summari mickei boyd system administr florida state univers mathemat depart email boyd math fsu edu offic pager
comp.windows.x	dump window screen hong hjhong nctu edu wrote for tool dump window screen imag can xwd xpr even grab xdump ftp uwm edu make us program nicer interfac and can you can dump postscript bitmap etc mickei boyd system administr florida state univers mathemat depart email boyd math fsu edu offic pager
comp.windows.x	termin faq subject current state world termin jim morton jim applix post quarterli comp window list manufactur and termin includ price inform can send copi thi faq alot
comp.windows.x	keycod wrong for xkeyreleasedev write base dosemu requir xkeyreleasedev found keycod xkeyreleasedev wrong run program linux host xfree displai set local linux and sun host two keycod two xserver keycod xkeypressedev can verifi thi wrong edward der hua liu depart nation taiwan univers taiwan dhliu solar csie ntu edu
comp.windows.x	view postscript file window articl gordon mon gordon mon sp mot gordon sasamori write tgoj inmet camb inmet gj corsica camb inmet georg snyder write articl rinnptb polari isi kin isi kin cho write window base postscript file viewer that run suno prefer hpux ibm aix you run sun openwindow you can us pageview thi window postscript preview ghostview displai nicer broken not handl multipl page you don proper postscript command will draw entir document page paus each page haven definit broken rel pageview requir dsc compliant postscript file order stop page break don that broken that program that put postscript file that isn dsc compliant broken harvard ucbvax uwvax astroatc ftm brown psi ftm brown rutger internet brown extrel ftm brown astroatc wisc edu
comp.windows.x	imak rule problem solari dple lungta infor david levin write hei folk attempt us imak manag makefil for develop effort and curiou find experienc problem target that subdir gener imak solari platform for exampl make makefil choke subdirectori target subdirmakefil not found you don give precis error messag assum that make target fail make can find rule thi happen suno make and aat thi point not happen happen larg makefil entri end lost small makefil will remedi thi problem your exampl mit distribut suno patch thi can happen target makefil doc directori thought thi bug make sun built and us gnumak result attach you find makefil target rule gener makefil thi weird your that you gnu make casper
comp.windows.x	hope thi group post thi problem final manag real oper system linux oppos do and alot run startx strang respons monitor into graphic mode and thi big white rectangl screen that noth collect almost faq world confus miss setup mhz trident svga meg ram plenti space appreci
comp.windows.x	share librari and replac modul wonder replac singl modul xkeybind share librari libx sun openwindow rtfm didn wiser that can machin run real librari replac xlookupstr deliv librari anoth that special thing per per andersson ppan celsiustech perand stacken kth free time manag network and occasion sun not speak for celsiustech lla sweden
comp.windows.x	blink cursor xterm quot moepi open bernward moepi open bernward averwald back dai analys xterm code cursor implement draw rectangl charact doesn chang til you sourc you add blink cursor xtappaddtimeout similar server overhead for thi mildli ridicul desqview thi do window you want xterm wake half second and whack server into bitblt brandon
comp.windows.x	outlin scalabl font versu bitmap replic scalabl font scale code realiz follw problem resolut foint due instal problem that server font server will rescal font can find meet your requir thi mean that you server return respons adob helvetica medium normal iso you can for follwogin adob helvetica medium normal iso and will gener for you you us pixel size bill jone
comp.windows.x	motif gcc silli messag mail end problem stupid oversight behalf code perfect add control makefil mangl name tell locat control constructor want reaffirm valuabl book thi enjoi evri page
comp.windows.x	do window articl psg mvalent draco lnec write post thi request sinc last had titl for server softwar do window desqview and xvision awar solut public domain sharewar implement commerci case problem incompat window manag and librari etc you experi thi area mario valent linux internet
comp.windows.x	view postscript file window ftm brown ftm vidiot write definit broken rel pageview requir dsc compliant postscript file order stop page break don that broken that program that put postscript file that isn dsc compliant broken that true man page for pageview for not mention dsc complianc event point that you displai file pageview you will find that not practic tool gordon sasamori csic mcu design email gordon sp mot nippon motorola voic fax
comp.windows.x	includ color pixmap xpm file applic portabl and conveni us color pictur file xpm format defin pixmap motif applic function pointer tip etc saad mufti person librari softwar mail mufti pl
comp.windows.x	mswindow xwindow convers heard commerci packag name zink that convert window sourc code xwindow sourc code problem packag isn holland can find anywher anoth packag preferr free sharewar that can thing and can find bui advanc arjen
comp.windows.x	draw network graph widget function librari for draw network graph etc not tree view freewar sharewar comerci thi for instanc give associ node automat layout gener nice node symbol us even insert widget node line style etc for describ associ inform appreci advanc jorgen jorgen eriksson eua ericsson
comp.windows.x	compil ghostview sun openwindow due sun crapul organis librari and includ standard gnu and softwar won compil box tar file make ghostview complain can find xaw link file usr openwin share includ and ghoddam thing complain can find haven compil xdvi not manag normal compil sun suno and openwindow trick miss even hard copi relev file into place and time bit miss refus find peter
comp.windows.x	need callback action and event understood that two method connect applic code widget callback and action problem face that quit long piec applic code that perform lot draw into window want connect thi widget problem us callback function action thi process event draw take want applic code sequenc interrupt event want handl event and resum process applic code point interrupt that thi isn can give user impress that input immedi process idea answer mail advanc soenk soenk voss faculti econom soenk wiwi uni bielefeld univers bielefeld bielefeld germani differ and madman that not mad salvador dali
comp.windows.x	blink cursor xterm dndinnmsd senat bedfellow mit edu steve mcmahon launchpad unc edu write fri gmt dude pc michael elbel emu won work bsd deriv system sun csh fix thi short remov line code put thi export todai that version export cannot posix tty behaviour posix config file incomplet specif platform sun and dec look twice port emu linux stop short becus tty part cleaner version emu that support posix tty explicitli hmm depend you defin clean jordan implement system depend stuff that you basic implement for call oper system type you ahead and write includ file for your specif machin oper system basic implement sinc jordan and haven encount flavor that fulli posix haven implement and test top level includ file specif for posix posix routin us sun specif file tty sun for exampl us bsd stuff implement includ file for each and oper system ifdef ing exist type mess that can result that can xterm sourc even quit bit code get copi almost unchang coupl time thi disk space sinc driver includ toplevel includ file will compil into emu shouldn hard come tty linux file that fulli reli posix stuff don linux system can port suggest you read readm term sysdep and you problem question contact and sort thi reli net thi part emu sinc don access that system michael michael elbel digit pc gmbh muenchen germani dude pc intelligenz sowieso nur wat fuer doof mia ferment fault coor dump
comp.windows.x	creat your colormap lookup tabl below copi sourc setup user color map for attempt creat user defin color term rgb color rang call xalloccolor prove ineffect variabl defin follow int lut index color type min imag max imag color type imag pixel rang last imag start end jump lut unsign long pixel doubl red green blue data structur us color oper typedef struct unsign long pixel unsign short red green blue char flag red green blue char pad xcolor xcolor rgbcolor hardwarecolor color type defin doubl red doubl green doubl blue set valu hardwarecolor work call xalloccolor start red int min imag red end red int max imag red jump red int end red start red start green int min imag green end green int max imag green jump green int end green start green start blue int min imag blue end blue int max imag blue jump blue int end blue start blue lut index for for for jump red lut lut index red start red lut lut index red jump red jump green lut lut index green start green lut lut index green jump green jump blue lut lut index blue start blue lut lut index blue jump blue hardwarecolor red short lut lut index red hardwarecolor green short lut lut index green hardwarecolor blue short lut lut index blue hardwarecolor pixel lut index printf pixel lut index hardwarecolor red hardwarecolor green hardwarecolor blue hardwarecolor pixel statu xalloccolor dpy colormap hardwarecolor printf pixel lut index hardwarecolor red hardwarecolor green hardwarecolor blue hardwarecolor pixel statu xsetforeground dpy hardwarecolor pixel xfillrectangl dpy win maxcolumn maxrow xflush dpy sleep printf lut index lut lut index lut lut index green lut lut index blue hardwarecolor pixel lut index lut index advanc can thi problem sincer john duggan john duggan alia genghi khan engin comput servic internet duggan ec umass edu univ massachusett amherst bitnet duggan umaec
comp.windows.x	program displai gif file silli locat thing tgif that can edit gif file and tool convert gif format haven locat program that open window and displai gif file look faq file avail lurk archiv noth sophist show pretti pictur altern locat spec for gif don suppos hard write idea even start for spec idea thi newsgroup auto industri comput industri car cost mile gallon and random time explod kill passeng
comp.windows.x	svr xclient won work svr repost chang svr svr intel box discov that svr xclient such xload etc longer work bomb messag error can open displai unix thi can find correct share librari recompil not us correct option system us jack
comp.windows.x	mac and sun openwindow benj ossa nasa gov benjamin jone write run into bit snag mac and run and respons thi problem local network number mac sun and sgi machin instal macx mactcp macintosh and can run xclient sgi machin live long dai problem run xclient sun setup command macx execut noth happen don even command output thought rout issu can run remot xclient sun sgi machin vice versa can run remot xclient sgi machin that not local net problem hold true for local sun send thi privat mail mail benj ossa nasa gov reject extract readm file that come macx user remot command sun machin find that remot command noth and output sun machin thi due featur sun rexecd network daemon quietli disconnect request machin that not sun network address etc host ni host databas successfulli us remot command suno base machin entri network address databas for macintosh run macx stan kerr comput commun servic offic illinoi urbana phone email stankerr uiuc edu
comp.windows.x	draw network graph articl eua ericsson tvtjet eua ericsson jorgen eriksson write widget function librari for draw network graph etc not tree view freewar sharewar comerci thi for instanc pretti pictur delet give associ node automat layout gener nice node symbol us even insert widget node line style etc for describ associ check xmgraph librari locat iwork ecn uiowa edu comp gui classic xmgraph tar skip montanaro crd
comp.windows.x	internation exampl program internation featur such small program show chines text wondow menu bar icon advanc michael hung
comp.windows.x	dvi viewer track dvi viewer for xdvi not librari and includ instal thi avoid instal stuff space premium prepar make binari and for michael carlei dept mech engin tcd
comp.windows.x	summari make window input cap bruce barnett recommend xvttool and bernward averwald and liam quin recommend modifi xdefault desir behavior for class xterm xvttool simpli creat kei file that and kei file command line thi will translat input into case case case work great and you customiz button pad left side us xterm solut add your xdefault capxterm translat overrid kei string capxterm translat overrid kei insert string kei insert string and invok xterm name capxterm load kevin weinrich comput scienc corp kbw helio ath epa gov
comp.windows.x	program displai gif file john chamber minya wrote silli locat thing tgif that can edit gif file and tool convert gif format haven locat program that open window and displai gif file look faq file avail lurk archiv noth sophist show pretti pictur
comp.windows.x	for articl urgent for articl can find anywher multi thread server john allen smith resourc issu winter can find will appreci sadi depart comput scienc univers stellenbosch south africa mail sadi itu sun
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comp.windows.x	color and window aicon excerpt netnew comp window color and window john cwikla morrison wri problem that solut for applic and love thing mention write thi scenario each widget view describ color palett palett can share and descript inform not directli ti object that palett held server palett can accomad number hardwar color cell color descriptor input focu widget that widget access color that describ associ palett widget transient closest approxim that can gener union color current palett and free color that left widget specifi color for imag provid index pixel into associ palett bold part hard and server
comp.windows.x	xterm slave mode tun into thi newgroup long time slave mode xterm and can us for info can info exampl want us bunch xterm and send input applic xterm and output xterm email info lourdu
comp.windows.x	motif and compil xcoral built xcoral system suno motif and build fine run child window that xcoral open lock mous into window area doesn accept input mous needless thi pain ass find empti termin login and kill xcoral thi problem openwindow motif patch bob campbel crayon can you system manag starship can hao ncar guinan rsc hao ucar edu sttng disclaim view connect employ close mouth gather feet unknown requir thought and work don hick manag editor amaz comput
comp.windows.x	need callback action and event understood that two method connect applic code widget callback and action problem face that quit long piec applic code that perform lot draw into window want connect thi widget problem us callback function action thi process event draw take want applic code sequenc interrupt event want handl event and resum process applic code point interrupt that thi isn can give user impress that input immedi process us workproc xtappaddworkproc you split your draw routni into small chunk thi hard part callback that start draw you call xtappaddworkproc call your workproc time your workproc function that return boolean true you finish and fals you want process you return fals workproc automat instal note that thi method that time loop sinc event process preced orient manner you ada bind you hose and into xtappaddtimeout joe hildebrand hildjj fuentez softwar engin fuentez system concept standard disclaim appli
comp.windows.x	free server for pc free server for pc prefer that run window peter buttul univers alberta edmonton canada mail userpib mt uc ualberta
comp.windows.x	share librari and replac modul noth sun replac piec librari share not straight forward releas extract pierc rebind and replac info for detail
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comp.windows.x	view postscript file window articl rinnptb polari isi kin isi kin cho write can live util that convert postscript plain text perfer retain page count that page origin document contain hack sort thi convers ghostscript and check asc file that come print inform each text string page and maintain page count written program massag output dnodisplai asc somewhat that you can ascii string document guarante that won break word sentenc us vari degre success thi you want massag filter for us crude postscript ascii convers usag cat file dnodisplai asc massag print ctrl each page put sourc into massag and compil includ stdio includ string main char line fget line sizeof line stdin null line printf line line strrchr line null continu strchr line null continu for putchar putchar return david wagner dawagn princeton edu
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comp.windows.x	ibm problem xinit problem come fact that xopendisplai fail machin name godzilla setenv displai godzilla xibm xterm work fine will not work setenv displai unix xibm xterm set configur option incorrectli you for assist you can offer herb hasler herb iiasa intern institut for appli system anaylsi iiasa laxemburg austria ext
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comp.windows.x	blink cursor xterm wariat org allberi wariat org allberi write quot moepi open bernward moepi open bernward averwald back dai analys xterm code cursor implement draw rectangl charact doesn chang til you sourc you add blink cursor xtappaddtimeout similar server overhead for thi mildli ridicul desqview thi do window you want xterm wake half second and whack server into bitblt run emu mhz box cannot make differ perform whether cursor set blink not you bit cycl hell lot time for even slowest sinc you enabl blink text cursor your xterm input focu thi applic activ repeat blink text cursor cost almost noth perform thought design xterm softwar michael michael elbel digit pc gmbh muenchen germani dude pc intelligenz sowieso nur wat fuer doof mia ferment fault coor dump
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comp.windows.x	open can obtain copi open widget obtain net order copi for email dave wilson comput centr rhode univers grahamstown south africa
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comp.windows.x	view postscript file window articl gordon mon sp mot gordon mon sp mot gordon sasamori write ftm brown ftm vidiot write definit broken rel pageview requir dsc compliant postscript file order stop page break don that broken that program that put postscript file that isn dsc compliant broken that true man page for pageview for not mention dsc complianc event point that you displai file pageview you will find that not practic tool true that man page for pageview not that file dsc compliant that fault left hand not know hand sun inform sun employe that pageview program requir dsc compliant postscript possibl that chang that file wasn dsc compliant that stop each showpag that thi method preclud backward and forward file you forward showpag thi isn pageview solari version event find pageview extrem sinc postscript that produc dsc compliant don problem harvard ucbvax uwvax astroatc ftm brown psi ftm brown rutger internet brown extrel ftm brown astroatc wisc edu
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comp.windows.x	fit straight line curv data point articl warda land andrew ward write for graph program that will fit data straight line program that estim closest fit curv statist help spreadsheet regress analysi topic cover undergradu statist book cubic spline cover undergradu comput scienc numer analysi text stock librari never us mathematica surpris not spline edmond meinfeld programm virtual gui aardvark bigger anon hack for hire
comp.windows.x	blink cursor xterm dude pc michael elbel write wariat org allberi wariat org allberi write quot moepi open bernward moepi open bernward averwald back dai analys xterm code cursor implement draw rectangl charact doesn chang til you sourc you add blink cursor xtappaddtimeout similar server overhead for thi mildli ridicul desqview thi do window you want xterm wake half second and whack server into bitblt run emu mhz box cannot make differ perform whether cursor set blink not you bit cycl hell lot time for even slowest sinc you enabl blink text cursor your xterm input focu thi applic activ repeat blink text cursor cost almost noth perform thought design xterm softwar you stuck distribut system feedback loop you xtermin run xterm net anoth machin that load problem occur you had machin xtermin attach and had blink cursor xterm thi repres consider ethernet bandwidth wast not pick you peopl forget that lot life distribut singleus workstat mark davi lake taylor hospit norfolk sy administr comput servic mark taylor mark taylor
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comp.windows.x	makedepend problem articl crono metaphor mlt blue infor michael turok write problem makedepend doesn correctli process claus preprocessor statement evalu true matter condit come solut fix makdepend writeyourownpars and will share rewrit makedepend us gcc gcc prefer sinc system header don chang that for gener actual depend you write part that edit actual makefil program berkelei distribut call mkdep that will essenti thi vivek khera gradual student system gui depart comput scienc internet khera duke edu box mime mail accept durham
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rec.autos	nissan nomenclatur manual shift bigot want previou articl jkjec westminst shazad barla auto shifter street and not track porsch wont chang you floor ga turn year back auto you gui call turbo and round corner floor and thing point backward driver quit amus shaz you that you call call curiou nissan predacessor call turbo and nonturbo don had turbo curiou btw that matter drew
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rec.autos	radar detector valentin had valentin for month and agre that det ector point trust and reliabl ust valentin detector owend valentin that moder strong radar sourc front like speed trap detector fals that begun ignor someo warn didn want drive had foot brake and ga pedal that direct indic help info almost alwa info matter smart radar detector human ain smarter make decisio base inform hand want info can you divid streng radar signal number bogei report you find that each bogei pretti weak and not radar threat detector strong warn logic faulti thi work admit that haven notic reflect problem radar souc thoma
rec.autos	saturn extend warranti agre gaia even saturn prove reliabl car monei spent worth peac mind opinion get powertrain warranti case that that need repair interior sunroof window door etc didn want mess engin and such extra year hour roadsid assist worth mete opt for year plan for thoma
rec.autos	toyota camri toyota camri sedan power window and lock mile ask pl call send mail thi account
rec.autos	rush fast boyl cactu org craig boyl wrote marshatt feserv purdu edu zauber write wrat unisql wharfi write rememb road america not design for speed mean safe road autobahn smoother straiter wider and slightli bank that new speed limit texa highwai speed limit jersei turnpik speed limit nevada montana guess wasn clear road design for speed and safe current will add saftei margin road design safe built take into account kind car number higher todai car tire and imprivov lot driver tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.autos	lexu and infin articl apr msu msu edu tigger stcloud msu edu write correct spell nissan luxuri automobil divis infin not infin clear question kind engin power lexu and infin automobil sinc person had remark earlier post that lexu and infin model had engin time that each manufactur us engin lexu and inlin infin inlin admit that cannot remeb for inlin correct hope thi help bsb keith
rec.autos	val bel sti radar detector articl apr convex tobia convex allen tobia wrote live backyard folk make stalker radar system valentin save time stealth revenu enhanc trap local area had major brand detector and imho noth even come close hadn heard valentin car driver and auto magazin recommend bel detector latest sti pick super wideband and laser avoid radar detector detector don care thi sinc doubt drive virginia anytim state made detector iileg valentin compar bel product brian donnel
rec.autos	engin pwe slipknot mit edu pwe slipknot mit edu paul emeri write subject ford us engin exstens ford transit van thi bring back memori seventi plai band time and for pound bought tranni cart gear terribl shape cosmet last owner pig farmer spent dai clean and put partit and seat til dai di everytim you turn fan defrost dri pig shit fly vent back engin rememb and that thing haul fill equip and peopl and bat hell pollut control engin and ga lead and higher octan mechan fuel pump quit put electr morri minor that work great fond memori saab sonnet iii pwe slipknot mit edu squadron tank paul emeri ron nasti rutl magnet lab cambridg mass costellobeatlesspinaltapfawltytowersmuttsavengersstartrek tngenglandrutl mliggett silver uc indiana edu mliggett iugold bitnet junk collector toi kid antiauthoritarian and fan frog iguana and herp
rec.autos	nova advic want peopl that respond post week ago bui chev nova decid bui car and had for month replac front brake pad and chang oil problem surfac receiv suggest and encourag thi purchas and figur late you jim
rec.autos	apr tulan edu finnegan nrlssc navi mil write articl apr engr washington edu eliot stalfo engr washington edu eliot write subaru us degre vee engin eliot wouldn that make henceforth refer underscor horizont oppos boxer great idea smooth run low center graviti us honda gullw corvair porsch kenneth finnegan nrlssc navi mil mliggett silver uc indiana edu mliggett iugold bitnet junk collector toi kid antiauthoritarian and fan frog iguana and herp
rec.autos	wife convert articl unfj usenet uc indiana edu tom wetzel twetzel uc indiana edu write articl tth usenet in cwru edu andrew spencer aa cwru edu write wife inform that convert for car recommend you targa top convert drew made point wife and convert thing triumph mid open air prefer targa type wind nois object paper blow foreign object get into car and almost advantag convert last car had top big top current car convert imho you that convert feel top open top sunroof moonroof don cut substitut for convert you not that sun beat you wind your hair and teeth flopsum and jetsum get car and nois associ whoosh wind you not that convert feel hole driver don call convert and targa top compar roll bar rollov situat not test car earli convert accept substitut tonya sail flynn sunris blvd lauderdal punch that uunet gould tflynn sand bar crew natti dread internet tflynn encor
rec.autos	wife convert and two cent convert for monei imo miata small you bui second car hope you don cargo room big car power for fun rwd sport car gonna regret that and top manual oper dream second and hand lower and not longer rais targa type car nice not real convert ken warren secret good life earli night good food excercis and clean live mail kenw netax secret happi life late night wild parti kinki sex and junk food
rec.autos	mercuri villag minivan good bui across thi interest inform local public librari research minivan dealer price and retail price for minivan think purchas told that number for base price slightli lower current price thi give you idea price and you can negoti mercuri villag dealer retail base price air condit rear defrost calif emiss passeng seat radio cassett std std automat transmiss std std anti lock brake std std destin total dealer cost total retail price nissan quest dealer retail base price air condit std std rear defrost std std calif emiss passeng seat std std cassett std std automat transmiss std std anti lock brake destin total dealer cost total retail price
rec.autos	improv automat transmiss shazad barla jkjec westminst wrote wheelspin auto you gear ga stick gear never thi work thi screw autobox bit debat peopl leav rear end piec thi reason power transmit and good traction road surfac you powerbrak we fujii real motor oldsmobil rocket hurst thi not gener old we banzai fujii old bois idaho wesf hpdmd boi
rec.autos	lock lugnut tire rebal articl apr skcla monsanto ma skcla monsanto write you put lock lugnut your tire you your tire rebalanc john ma mail address ma skcla monsanto depend kind lock lugnut you previou car had lock lugnut that weigh lock lugnut factori equip and factori servic manual tire balanc technician mechan suppos put counterweight rim opposit lock nut had vibrat problem stupid lugnut sinc servic correctli eventu rid lock lugnut and replac standard lugnut found counterweight techniqu month rid lock nut present car saturn lock lugnut that bought dealer and made specif for saturn made exactli weight lock lugnut packag and verifi haven had vibrat problem tire due nut ownership vibrat problem due poor job tire balanc tom
rec.autos	mustang articl xtp mtb murdoch acc virginia edu jmh hopper virginia edu jeffrei hoffmeist write articl apr virginia edu jmm virginia edu blade runner write remind you that thi that somtim thi fall ford granddaddi car will introduc mega cool fast for accord driver mustang suppos streamlin similar mach iii concept car ford januari can wait hear recent read correct ford noth skin exist mustang minor suspens modif and pictur didn good job mustang noth cycl year car jeff heard engin slate for mustang line eric alter
rec.autos	tauru misc maint fairli cheap wai increas perform thi car tauru not exactli muscl car for wai increas perform compani florida that sell comput chip that supposedli and torqu don address hot rod and car magazin you open exhaust exhaust larger hope thi help you find tauru georg howel georg howel goucher ffv ampr org
rec.autos	rfi art clutchless shift articl apr luski ccwf utexa edu jonathan luski write shift clutch transmiss syncro can and will transmiss damag question long takesto grenad for tran pulsar mile had weak tranni place explain thi mile usag clutchless shift and problem krispi
rec.autos	mercuri villag minivan good bui villag quest cravan voyag copi come sinc mazda mpv agre villag not mpv small that class suv extra seat shoehorn rear cargo space you shove back seat middl seat elimin leg room back villag price controversi and us attack belt point belt that kill for andrew klossner andrew frip tek
rec.autos	shift clutch car gear clutch car turn advanc repli mail eric
rec.autos	dirti diesel articl ceylon gte hhd harvei gte horac dediu write articl nataraja opal nataraja rtsg mot kumaravel natarajan write heard diesel consid cleaner burn ga engin emit carbon monoxid hydrocarbon and oxid nitrogen nox can put lot particul matter heard legisl discuss clean diesel emiss work instal scrubber for diesel feasibl instal truck and car catylit convert assum easier sinc remov particul matter convert gass hear peopl opinion thi bug emiss diesel cleanest vechicl consid pollut that ban passeng car california bunch crap diesel fuel choic for enviroment benefit europ illeg for reason particul noth carbon annoy worst noth beat diesel cycl for effici and emiss torqu engin durabl cheaper diesel fall into emiss mytholog alcohol fuel main reason consid cleaner emiss measur and regul contribut addit emiss long determin harm suitabl control limit defin current evid point visibl smog diesel emiss and suspend particl and photo chemic reaction diesel particul major concern decreas lung capac and alcohol emit signifcantli aldehyd carcinigen gasolin evid mount that beat gasolin engin death ignor effect altern and think diesel great and spend hour rush hour traffic citi europ stench diesel aw and can even burn ey diesel clean rel current standard mark
rec.autos	choic gaug you had free reign design your instrument cluster gaug you choos basic set basic set tach coolant temp cylind head temp for air cool engin oil pressur amp speedo fuel that nice volt thi basic set vacuum boost can your idea and dave
rec.autos	articl ufk usenet in cwru edu aa cwru edu andrew spencer write previou articl finnegan nrlssc navi mil articl apr engr washington edu eliot stalfo engr washington edu eliot write subaru us degre vee engin eliot wouldn that make henceforth refer underscor that technicali degre vee configur wrong thi refer drew heard refer horizont oppos joe joseph staudt telxon corp joe telxon box usenet tetri for peopl akron rememb read heller
rec.autos	rfi art clutchless shift not familiar tranni us winston cup tran car plai transmiss race varieti dog clutch sychro transmiss dog clutch gear engag each and move dog clutch engag gear shaft motorcycl transmiss shift clutch transmiss syncro can and will transmiss damag question long takesto grenad for tran pulsar mile had weak tranni place curios thi dog clutch synchro transmiss you describ sound fact studi tranni instructor refer synchro dog and synonym gear mesh synchron gearbox and you slip synchro gear back and shift that taught explain por favour motorcycl transmiss don synchro engag dog cors and sloppi teeth dog side gear that engag gear fork slide gear back and shift start appli pressur time clutch pull clutch hand lever and shift quickli you slow lazi shift will grind you pop into gear chanc grind isn neutral gear you can select shifter doubl clutch not possibl speed shift heard clutchless shift call work pretti for upshift practic us clutch for lower gear auto automobil tranni similar that engag dog fine slop and addit syncho ring gear teeth engag auto transmiss that synchron not synchro gear revers and sometim frank ball frankb sad work hewlett packard fax home vallei hous drive seca rohnert park wug law ama dod nra
rec.autos	mercuri villag minivan good bui articl uckinncmf gap caltech edu wen king caltech edu wen king write path eclips yktnew watson ibm hawnew watson ibm newsgat watson ibm new an net europa eng gtefsd howland reston an net usc elroi jpl nasa gov nntp server caltech edu wen king wen king caltech edu wen king newsgroup rec auto date apr gmt organ california institut technolog line refer ejinnk gap caltech edu innvar sumax seattleu edu nntp post host neptun caltech edu keyword mercuri villag minivan van car jittlov articl innvar sumax seattleu edu smorri sumax seattleu edu steven morri write villag quest cravan voyag copi come sinc mazda mpv nissan maxima engin pair maxima speed auto tran excel drive train and rest vehicl engin price controversi hmm last time check villag quest not maxima engin and power for weight engin state tune and torqu friend work regularli take peopl and haul fine jeff goss
rec.autos	question insur compani esp geico articl mimsi umd edu davew umd edu david wonnacott write switch geico insur numer complaint geico and help pointer good insur compani decid eri insur exchang combin high rate net and consum report low rate for for respons
rec.autos	mercuri villag minivan good bui test vehicl ident equip for week long period curious and test vehicl found mercuri higher build qualiti nissan choic good bewar that not experi reason mileag averag citi drive mpg avg highwai option hilt nissan had leather villag rang and nissan bob
rec.autos	chang oil articl apr dsd bmoss grinch sim brent woodi moss write articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu sorlin magnu ac ohio state edu steven orlin write articl apr cbnewsj att rdb cbnewsj att ronald deblock write you can avoid problem instal oil drain valv place bolt car leak mile combin mile car problem drain your oil park lot reach underneath turn valv and forget trip home likelyhood wrench person recommend instal special lock drain plug vandal steve worri steal oil onc final decid drain plug weld shut work great figur that add quart oil light come month that good wive tale chang oil and filter mile work for fallen for thi you gui paranoid you worri steal your oil mon you vandal that that absolut ridicul hard car chang oil can experi car that driven and chang oil mazda pretti pain onc you onc you don forget and get easier can imagin car wors mine andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.autos	for sale toyota camri toyota camri for sale delux packag speed grei power window power door lock cassett power steer power brake highwai mile excel condit rob fusi rwf lehigh edu mail for info dai for bob fusi
rec.autos	question insur compani esp geico articl buck granit buck granit bull ken buck write you live area that get frequent damag hail storm nahhh onc week march and sometim fall
rec.autos	slick good mad fermi cla virginia edu michael davi write chanc that thi discuss death and discuss mail direct archiv site basic wonder slick that and data support claim for info mike davi don written data experienc us includ lawnmow car smooth idl and reduc oper temp degre havent us long test for wear peopl farmer that live us overhaul big deisel tractor year not year sinc year overhaul friend machin shop past rebuilt engin mile coustom thought time coustom had ran sinc almost found measur intern engin that show amount wear that expect mile not opinion work bewar cat prowel disclam hei student cat hungri hell don detomaso pantera efi twin turbo david doddek liscenc fly fli uofi pantera uxa cso uiuc edu
rec.autos	warn read articl apr ctp bpita ctp bob pita write articl agat berkelei edu anarr berkelei edu brian harvei write rfelix netcom robbi felix write thousand kind teenag volunt local agenc children senior homeless hear hear robbi you don read that violenc teenag such georg bush buri aliv ten thousand unarm iraqi year old surrend bulldoz hand true singl teenag for blame that violenc social accept us discourag violenc plenti work peopl ag thi isn group for thi that don violenc social accept mean can you that us pistol tote gunsling hero even gangland thug consid romant you great grandpar yell parent for plai cowboi and indian don that behavior somewhat encourag back fact differ and that nowadai teenag kill anoth classroom california dai back dai never hear that period yeah peopl act shock violenc speci holocaust crusad salem witch trial religi persecut middl ag violent act carri name religion world earli christian put death roman jew persecut christian lot human todai not stat peopl planet hundr year ago per capita act violenc not significantli hundr thousand year ago noth violenc
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rec.autos	val bel sti radar detector articl brian hotspar arc nasa gov brian gothamc jsc nasa gov brian donnel write articl apr convex tobia convex allen tobia wrote live backyard folk make stalker radar system valentin save time stealth revenu enhanc trap local area had major brand detector and imho noth even come close hadn heard valentin car driver and auto magazin recommend bel detector latest sti pick super wideband and laser avoid radar detector detector don care thi sinc doubt drive virginia anytim state made detector iileg valentin compar bel product brian donnel comparison bel hoop wideband escort detector direct indic bogei counter radar signatur analysi remot displai option not sensit not built had back
rec.autos	saturn extend warranti articl inni shellei washington edu gaia carson washington edu gaia write articl bqginn roundup crhc uiuc edu vivek crhc uiuc edu vivek chickerman write advic saturn extend warranti order for saturn and expect week saturn retail gave pamphlet extend warranti plan and think time car buyer seek advic veteran esp bought saturn fyi list featur saturn extend warranti plan car come year mile bumper bumper warranti plan extend powertrain coverag cover cost repair engin transaxl front wheel drive hour roadsid assist program coverag term year mile deduct extend warranti ripoff high profit item for dealer want point that you not bui you free you bui that mind you cost coverag anoth point that car compani routin fix car problem that warranti design manufactur defect that compani own keep custom happi etc
rec.autos	chang oil articl hnbak cmuvm csv cmich edu john foster hnbak cmuvm csv cmich edu write find thi method hate bolt final come loos and wrench and hand come crash into face come minut chang cloth thi time oil drain and ic entir face and suck tylenol eas pain dai proce refil engin oil crazi and chang oil car weekend bottl tylenol and bag ic that not bad time chang oil forget shut engin hot oil come and scald blind engin start overheat and scream agoni and crawl car grab red hot exhaust pipe and degre burn hand scream intensifi final emerg car and struggl feet front car radiat hose ruptur and sprai super heat coolant engin seiz not cylind head explod pierc flesh fragment red hot iron thi happen time start pai mechan pai hospit and dealer for car thi get costli you chang oil mile toadfac
rec.autos	info opinion want car thi articl articl nodak edu bell plain nodak edu robert bell write articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu jnielsen magnu ac ohio state edu john nielsen write articl fibercom rrg rtp fibercom rhonda gain write market for car mazda serv fine door car sinc don relish thought move carseat door car criteria door cassett quick acceler cruis control decent rear seat legroom husband footer prefer closer rang will rule accord car that caught ey toyota corolla toyata camri mazda pontiac grand pontiac grand prix honda accord and civic roomi and come door model hyundai sonata and even small oldsmobil not achieva opinion benchmark recommend etc civic come door model wife and look quit prizm corolla and civic car impress built and had featur want similar featur you want for cruis control and want manual transmiss and anti lock brake hate automat seatbelt and airbag gener comfort and perform signific specif and list below mazda comfort and roomi can theoret ab model practic thi hard find base price for base model includ numer thing tach variabl speed wiper rear defrost split fold rear seat expens car list below honda civic get significantli mileag car list comfort front seat adjust seat belt mount ab model includ thing sunroof geo prizm toyota corolla seat not comfort your mileag vari adjust seat belt mount can ab lot extra saturn quit comfort motor attack belt dodg spirit real outstand gener rear seat not fold chevi corsica come ab standard lower you bui that car and safeti rate consum report car suspens didn feel stiff thi for honda accord and toyota camri expens and mind not significantli gave disproportion low consider big due wife famili gener dislik chrysler product unimpress product own parent and housem mine tauru come automat transmiss find seat tempo uncomfort and escort attack belt and air bag end and cassett advertis for washington post april and local dealer can match that price will tomorrow main question mind whether not will factori order prefer order ab and whether not dealership will run price lot
rec.autos	saturn extend warranti articl uicvm uic edu uicvm uic edu write agre gaia even saturn prove reliabl car monei spent worth peac mind thi interest point peopl not bui coverag bui peac mind market folk love sell that suggest that peopl choos not engag mind peaceless worri bui that peac mind opinion get powertrain warranti case that that need repair interior sunroof window door etc didn want mess engin and such you surpris knick knack stuff can cost your steer rack don wrong extend warranti ripoff extra year hour roadsid assist worth mete opt for year plan for extra yr you realiz free warranti that come car thoma
rec.autos	eliot stalfo engr washington edu eliot write subaru us degre vee engin eliot degre flat six engin chintan amin univers illinoi urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig construct hard hat area
rec.autos	aa cwru edu andrew spencer write previou articl finnegan nrlssc navi mil articl apr engr washington edu eliot stalfo engr washington edu eliot write subaru us degre vee engin eliot wouldn that make henceforth refer underscor that technicali degre vee configur wrong thi refer drew flat engin chintan amin univers illinoi urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig construct hard hat area
rec.autos	product hold firebird camaro speed tip gari crum crum fcom utah edu phone pontiac system pontaic custom servic and inquir rumour product hold formula firebird and tran btw talk dealer bought car rout firebird specialist confirm that thi fact case problem perform axl ratio wouldn into detail don ship that had problem product held simpli didn proper part supplier pretti vagu that thi feel free respond supposedli thi problem solv second defin shortag part that relat six speed manual transmiss thi post product hold car claim part delai not want us inferior qualiti part for car and wait for high qualiti part not posit that thi appli camaro guess can shed light thi chri chri silvest man capabl get elect presid chriss sam amgen mean allow job chriss netcom dougla adam hitchhik guid galaxi
rec.autos	lexu and infin kchong mothra nt uci edu keith chong write articl apr msu msu edu tigger stcloud msu edu write correct spell nissan luxuri automobil divis infin not infin clear question kind engin power lexu and infin automobil sinc person had remark earlier post that lexu and infin model had engin time that each manufactur us engin lexu and inlin infin inlin admit that cannot remeb for inlin correct hope thi help bsb keith thi subject don number car name refair engin size liter litr engin liter sport coup and liter similar kinda bmw and name deal issa
rec.autos	bui back dealership todai bui car and salesman show call bui back that car that fleet and back for model year that mile good number and type car gener good bui ellen
rec.autos	borgward question articl innnb shellei washington edu monet carson washington edu diana smith write husband us borgward even tho ugli had name humphrei borgward that pretti good friend had audi that name murphi mark
rec.autos	chang oil articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write you worri steal your oil ahhh andrew meet not steal oil drain leav strand mon you vandal that guess you hudson ohio that absolut ridicul and world vandal and hate knew car for type valv undo special oil drain plug and radiat petcock put bad thing ga never vandal car time bomb approach and not think that steve
rec.autos	deal blue book auto articl dex new cso uiuc edu cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc write newton convex vicki newton write process bui auto haven decid whether sell current car trade part auto purchas that blue book for car acquaint offer give blue book for car wonder thi standard measur for negoti resal price can hope monei exactli blue book base that for year car low mileag excel work condit ding exterior noth major fact alter fair sell rice car not rip natur want price for car million veek blue book nada handbook for us car price blue book retail wholesal blue book isn set stone low milag extra addon and stuff that can increas resal price car you want head local librari borrow your friend blue book and read that sort stuff paid retail for civic and perfect condit and had mile gui despar sell kid etc good price remeb you and buyer sort brain blue book you pick fair price chintan amin llama uiuc edu chintan amin univers illinoi urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig construct hard hat area mileag chart book class car you and year you will end ad hundr dollar retail price subtract consum report number you can call and quot for your area friend mine us and quit happi servic cost joe
rec.autos	mitsubishi galant transmiss articl linnac phakt usc edu rmakarem usc edu total stranger write your problem mitsubishi galant transmiss car speed manual tranmiss sinc car bought shift slowli and carefulli make pop hit sound dealer and mitsubishi custom servic reach thi normal for car and year ago kmile stick shift handl stuck attempt put revers shifter not budg clutch had effect front tire not budg even clutch fulli depress clutch releas engin die assum that gear engag shifter stuck not make car move act neutral for dy clutch releas final releas shifter rock car back and inch depress clutch and jiggl shifter shifter act that thi happen dealer check clutch check transmiss had exact problem coupl month ago and last week dealer noth can mitsubishi never heard problem and dealer not reproduc problem had car occur car park head garag and sinc front wheel stuck car not tow dealer releas shifter temporarili solv problem and dealer and mitsubishi refus send check car stuck smeth wrong transmiss shift and get stuck random can dealer fix your mechan problem and handl mitsubishi hint and suggest greatli appreci and bore you long post rabih anoth dealer sometim sophist equip etc dealer anoth you find anoth dealer will you problem joe
rec.autos	manual shift bigot articl apr ericsson etxmst sta ericsson write not turn question automat common peopl and peopl guess that coupl manual torqu rich sixti clutch turn real killer you had us feet depress and that thi live yeah real muscl car had manual transmiss and clutch aren that heavi shelbi american us plenti high power high torqu engin and carrol put auto car peopl want blasphem heret burn burn for defil shelbi auto real cobra and ultim sport car time had big block ford turn prodigi amount power and torqu and had automat and automat engin can real fun drive yeah you call gear shift middl curv fun person love galaxi liter coup fire breath and onna floor side galaxi pillarless hardtop fire breath onna tree love sound dual exhaust morn comparison real american muscl car and car big engin and automat imho jame jame callison microcomput coordin oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark uc uoknor edu disclaim not engin plai work forecast call for thunder bird hell thing kill man you and gonna will munni unforgiven
rec.autos	warn read articl drutx att klf druwa att franklinkl write articl srib constel ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu jame callison write unload colt delta glove box load magazin handi perfectli legal oklahoma for time that travel inter state unload magnum revolv glove box speed loader pocket legal feder law illinoi state polic hang carri pistol load unload glove compart consid carri conceal weapon colorado and illeg conceal weapon permit law chang recent carri weapon openli legal colorado conceal illeg read newspap account last year polic stop car traffic infract and observ magnum revolv sit seat driver not cite for possess carri weapon not conceal articl state that gun had discov glove box consid crime carri glove box not cover not think legal oklahoma inter state travel long legal for you your point origin and destin gun carri lock compart box glove box specif exclud separ ammo legal titl chapter section forget and copi reg home code thi not prevent theft state trooper state remain nameless protect hopelessli stupid that state law gee and thought feder law overrod state law jame jame callison microcomput coordin oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark uc uoknor edu disclaim not engin plai work forecast call for thunder bird hell thing kill man you and gonna will munni unforgiven
rec.autos	lexu and infin don number car name refair engin size liter litr engin liter sport coup and liter similar kinda bmw and name deal note bmw doesnt follow thi convent for exampl had liter engin had liter
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rec.autos	rush fast articl tcora gator pica armi mil tcora pica armi mil tom coradeschi write useless road design speed rate discuss delet road design safe built take into account kind car number higher todai car tire and imprivov lot driver you travi disclam idea express fact employ sinc mail flame marshatt feserv purdu edu
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rec.autos	manual shift bigot kissan black berkelei edu john kissan write matter interest auto popular europ rare wonder car sold finland small and cheap car compar car note that car tax and you couldn expect good auto mate engin bigger car sold auto
rec.autos	mgb question son purchas mgb substanti restor odomet roll can actual mileag engin and drive train appar weren touch restor for carb and hose plan vacuum and compress check engin bodi and undercarriag visibl rust interior tire front brake not back batteri bumper and misc part paint check place and scuf and allegedli wind blown car cover handl for soft front shock question problem area common mgb check brake soft and ineffect expect brake action doggi acceler stop expect cylind engin top place will not reach number snap weather cold vinyl stretch and fit warm forev shrunk normal for wire wheel paint chrome thi limit descript reason price gee thi turn long brother onc own jag car not into sport car question suggest thing investig sure appreci phil truesdal truesdal david wheaton edu
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rec.autos	nissan altima seller articl uflh srgenprp markg mark goldsworthi write bought altima and and stanza logo discret trunk altima emblazon big silver letter itsi bitsi stanza shunt left trunk lid you can you close car and inconspicu fact clue that thi stanza that owner manual call car nissan stanza altima nissan thi avoid paperwork associ certif brand car etc for purpos brand namepl for paperwork stanza spiro spiro triantafyllopoulo kocrsv delcoelect softwar technolog delco electron hugh electron kokomo post armm
rec.autos	pennsylvania insur limit tort option articl oasi navi mil glouie oasi navi mil georg louie write coverag thi appli exist car insur polici understand limit tort option mean will lower rate opt will expens opt for layman term good deal ignor not type sue drop hat type report ding limit tort option will lower your rate you choos you can sue for pain suffer you can sue for econom loss you can sue for your wreck car and for medic bill you can sue for for pain and suffer that understand michal
rec.autos	manual shift bigot articl dxp lut jahonen lut jarmo ahonen write kissan black berkelei edu john kissan write matter interest auto popular europ rare wonder car sold finland small and cheap car compar car note that car tax and you couldn expect good auto mate engin bigger car sold auto guess high price ga europ compar favour cylind manual small engin auto real bore not turn question automat common guess that coupl manual torqu rich sixti clutch turn real killer you had us feet depress and that thi live and automat engin can real fun drive marku chevi camaro peugout speed don your car can for you you can for your car
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rec.autos	houston auto insur articl apr cheshir oxi edu colello cheshir oxi edu robert colello write move houston rice univers for graduat school will live corner mian and univers blvd wonder kind liabil rate expect relev info sex male ag statu singl commut walk car ford crown victoria door can check info similar situat mail rate find pai for your advanc colello delphi colello cheshir oxi edu suggest your current insur card will name accross top tell you insur compani you insur call inform houston and number branch offic houston area call insur compani your rate will vari depend amount coverag you want you want carri comp and collis not your drive record you mention thing your post can give you accur inform pick phone and make call won kill you jeff
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rec.autos	manual shift bigot jahonen lut jarmo ahonen write kissan black berkelei edu john kissan write matter interest auto popular europ rare wonder car sold finland small and cheap car compar car note that car tax and you couldn expect good auto mate engin bigger car sold auto australia car manual privat own not fact that car industri past close align europ past align asia scott scott fisher scott psy uwa au perth local depart psycholog univers western australia perth nedland perth joi jaguar flat batteri blown oil seal and unsympathet wife small remot town cold wet winter morn
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rec.autos	pennsylvania insur limit tort option opinion limit tort option thing casei basic limit tort mean that you give your sue for pain and suffer condit met your medic bill result accid exce number not exact number accid caus drunk driver mean driver drunk you good lawyer and good case basic you can appeal regain your sue almost chanc thi happen you give your sue for pain and suffer you can sue for medic cost actual damag etc agre limit tort you essenti give your asshol treat accid entri into litig lotteri exchang you substanti reduct your rate save year insur compani manag scare and confus peopl that pennsylvanian for limit tort guess that peopl opt for insur compani push harder for repeal
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rec.autos	honda clutch chatter articl hpindda cup jimb hpindda cup jame bruder write experienc similar problem thi concern clutch honda accord speed clutch us morn mile shift signific amount clutch chatter thing warm clutch shift smoothli thi chatter start move san francisco bai area low humid environ dealer state that thi happen sinc honda chang asbesto asbesto clutch materi remedi that moistur clutch surfac slip moistur evapor comment clutch honda civic thi annoi that wors humid high dealer claim noth can sinc clutch adjust hydraul design yeah doug zolmer internet dwjz bnr disclaim opinion bell northern research ottawa ontario canada dept servic control point rout servic design conform moooo
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rec.autos	dirti diesel hhd harvei gte horac dediu write articl nataraja opal nataraja rtsg mot kumaravel natarajan write heard diesel consid cleaner burn ga engin emit carbon monoxid hydrocarbon and oxid nitrogen nox can put lot particul matter heard legisl discuss clean diesel emiss work instal scrubber for diesel feasibl instal truck and car catylit convert assum easier sinc remov particul matter convert gass hear peopl opinion thi bug emiss diesel cleanest vechicl consid pollut that ban passeng car california bunch crap diesel fuel choic for enviroment benefit europ illeg for reason particul noth carbon annoy worst noth beat diesel cycl for effici and emiss torqu engin durabl cheaper clear thing post question that debat worker diesel claim cleaner burn ga engin extra junk put offset save greenhous gass made claim you question carbon harmless want rid suggest scrubber figur harder expens instal cat exist design for scrubber answer final question convinc that diesel cleaner btw name subject dirti diesel knew reaction peopl knew cleaner ga engin and that read vel natarajan nataraja rtsg mot motorola cellular arlington ht
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rec.autos	diatrib sold opel opel owner gibbonsa fraser sfu darren gibbon write for inform opel car you model sad truth not two seater roll headlight hard top and sporti friend sit yard nice condit bodi wise transmiss seiz hasn run for info car engin compart tight work fine shape and quit interest that opel sold thi countri origin had engin replac base kadett drive train and suspens leaf spring rear and singl transvers leaf spring front look good limit perform discuss thi thread manta and model opel introduc line model seri that model number etc car had newer engin and two and door coup station wagon and sport coup europ manta time two seri car sold number that had engin kadett suspens sport coup model rally black hood tach and fog light mechan for numer higher rear end ratio sport coup name manta last year for countri bumper height regul and fact that fiat exercis option factori that opel leas build gt seri continu minor bodi differ manta sedan call ascona and wagon bosch electron fuel inject car had larger brake and wider wheel car start compet buick centuri low price leader time and last opel import into car that sport buick opel badg sold buick dealer rebadg isuzu mark idea call opel chang dealer neon sign model seri car domin showroom stock race class and competit part number sourc manta and two sedan and trick part collect year john kennedi uunet opel johnk second sourc inc johnk secondsourc annapoli
rec.autos	honda headrest stuck advic aquaint accord driver side headrest accident put backward and jam dealer spend hour disassembl seat thi second time heard thi happen and whether easier headrest back dealt thi problem your advic appreci email and will summar interest dan dyndata dan everhart uunet camco fluke dyndata dan fax dynam data electron edmond usa rhe rone rike rhe rone rike rhoran astro sing cocain
rec.autos	mbenz seri passat jcorri erasur emori edu jeremi corri write seri merced benz wagon hear power manual comparison saab line and merced help manual transmiss not run you cannot manual transmiss that car north america that buyer accur distributor not interest manual tranni line come engin earlier year mere and auto tranni and find that suffici power for normal drive situat nice can complain test drove saab cse last fall impress awesom power rpm turbo come you power hard tight corner front wheel drive underst heavili and vicious hook into corner not desir handl trait common power front drive car cse merced rear drive not thi problem huge interior and cargo space rubberi shifter encount drove spd absolut numb you us don didn locat and shifter posit impress that saab design car for automat noisi engin buzz rattl and creak merced not exhibit characterist you check bmw tour thi wagon version fit into class and saab michael chmilar chmilar appl
rec.autos	deal blue book auto mail bounc articl apr new eng convex you write process bui auto haven decid whether sell current car trade part auto purchas tradit wisdom you almost sell you don mind that extra hassl trade purchas make get price dealership confus that blue book for car assum thi retail bluebook two bluebook price for retail and for wholesal you want retail price you can blue book adjust you can make for low mileag and extra your car you thi stuff mind that blue book price averag countri that not appli your area for exampl blue book price low for california find your car worth call and sell for us lot local paper for similar car and check price time effici small loss hold for month for price acquaint offer give blue book for car don you mean acquaint make darn that paid that cashier check full deliveri real temptat sell pseudo friend accomod you make you monei and hedg pai full start cashier check cash rememeb that you can sell your car us car lot wholesal and wholesal bluebook that safer approach sell privat parti alan mountain dew and doughnut am elroi alan breakfast import meal alan elroi jpl nasa gov dai
rec.autos	question insur compani esp geico articl mimsi umd edu davew umd edu david wonnacott write switch geico insur heard that not assign specif agent for each polici claim worri that thi real pain you make claim heard that rid you you accid interestend determin whether not thing true geico made claim interest hear whether not you satisfi servic and whether you had troubl renew your polici interest good bad stori liberti mutual state farm stai geico recent car driver issu articl geico give free laser gun polic depart increas speed limit enforc articl that you speed ticket your premium will increas dramat base limit you rememb correctli you increas you radar detector you will deni coverag drop immedi accid claim and you will drop year geico father had ticket and had made claim had accid and file claim drop immedi sinc state farm for year complaint state farm for year complaint travi
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rec.autos	drag coeffici articl apr wdl loral gwm spl spl loral gari mahan write explain make sens drag coeffici mention magazin understand that lower number signifi aerodynam thi mean real world calcul top speed assum car not rev limit top speed mileag benefit ident car had reduc don rememb formula hand awhil sinc aerodynam and haven us stuff sinc relat drag forc effect top speed and fuel consumpt drag forc car aircraft greater vehicl engin can overcom reach top speed auto overcom roll resist sinc drag oppos vehicl motion engin make for that burn fuel sinc geometeri auto complex drag pressur coeffiec etc found experimentali numer method for flow cylind drag coeff drag forc flow veloc and radiu clyinder rough rough estim you can set car width car speed and know find drag forc that car overcom
rec.autos	deal blue book auto toll for insur compani and auto dealer rip you case accid trade charli elli chelli nyx edu charli elli chelli nyx edu
rec.autos	review ford tauru sho occasion troubl shift into revers shifter refus enter gate and grind synchro into gear watch thi carefulli coupl month enter wait second and into revers us synchro and you never haven ground fit thi techniqu cut edg bb cut hou pcboard system houston texa usa run uupcb
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rec.autos	toyota land cruiser worth articl iftccu boe hovnania iftccu boe paul hovnanian wrote base experi hard top jeep style model give model consider market older model built toyota lost mind assum proven that newer model inherit not qualiti ancestor two major differ run gear that awar studi solid front axl hous newer model independ front suspens solid axl theoret stronger and cruiser not independ suspens front run straight axl coil runner independ front cruiser incred wheel travel thi system reliabl newer model experi will independ front suspens doubt compromis made satisfi typic user will never real util vehicl second differ type transfer case us newer model not tioyota full time wheel drive system older landcruis lock type advantag and disadvantag cruiser full time center diff lock low rang brother and incred sturdi vehicl trail moab tow and even bigger engin and lock diff jim chott toyota pickup rzaa email sp mot leman sport convert temp arizona
rec.autos	toyota land cruiser worth articl sbbinn col col tvervaek col tom vervaek wrote wife and look and drove last fall thi model wayyyyyyyyi underpow not imagin drive mountain colorado approach highwai speed read that model newer improv engin quit that laugh salesman face onc broken will feel power had us drive jeep engin land cruiser land yacht same runner underpow and cruiser run straight and torqu plenti highwai margin highwai improv straight and torqu big car roomi noth spectacular you rough trail you differ cruiser order magnitud highwai abil jim chott toyota pickup rzaa email sp mot leman sport convert temp arizona
rec.autos	opinion earli toronado had car die engin fire insur agent total market for anoth vehicl toronado that expect price rang and wonder relat experi acccept power front wheel drive make mainten difficult power window and power seat not work expens item replac work long engin last experi good bad and opinion ryan kinter kinter scf usc edu
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rec.autos	honda clutch chatter articl apr bnr dwjz bnr doug zolmer write articl hpindda cup jimb hpindda cup jame bruder write experienc similar problem thi concern clutch honda accord speed clutch us morn mile shift signific amount clutch chatter thing warm clutch shift smoothli thi chatter start move san francisco bai area low humid environ dealer state that thi happen sinc honda chang asbesto asbesto clutch materi remedi that moistur clutch surfac slip moistur evapor comment clutch honda civic thi annoi that wors humid high dealer claim noth can sinc clutch adjust hydraul design yeah reason sold civic chatteri grabbi clutch din notic wors humid weather perhap humid told honda that chang asbesto asbesto line began make good monei sell fashion varieti legal manufactur dai feel that sinc car maker not thi problem that poor design engin problem part honda thing for honda product clutch chatter bad brake rotor and rusti exhaust system
rec.autos	warn read articl apr morgan sergei morgan sergei poliakoff write sergei morgan sergei poliakoff subject warn read keyword brick truck danger date thu apr gmt articl apr voodoo boe tomm hank boe tom mackei write articl joit bcstec boe neil bcstec boe neil william write reformatori for juvinil block caught year that put cover overpass execut juvi ground reformatori requir attendend rest inmat incid and quick trial quit and effect noth will make dent thi will not work hitler youth newark teenag car steal epidem student riot and similar case show that death not behaviour shape even intimid factor for teenag teen defi death strong deter teen that execut won that thi polici cut repeat offend not flame don agre capit punish for teen rock throw concern sad and tragic incid stem fact that kid dumb even smarter complet lack deduct think and can forese consequ action dumb and car whizz mph make explos mix unsupervis proper supervis not throw rock parent cannot provid minim supervis need stop thi activ not allow children notic smilei intent kill case desir shatter glass admit mercilessli attack moscow buss slingshot tender year akin child break toi wit even endeavour project stack brick railroad track technic detail such ventur complet domin possibl human tradegi heck you you vagu concept human tradegi mind youngster quit that technic challeng match and predict speed thrown stone that get car smack windshield complet occupi teen not leav room for consider sergei ron stafford texa instrument incorpor box stafford lobbi dalla texa
rec.autos	previou articl smith ctron lawrenc smith articl kyp usenet uc indiana edu mliggett silver uc indiana edu matthew liggett write bugatti come turbo and mucho macho cool price heard rate point pretti product tho limit thi bugatti label bugatti noth bugatti yore understand ppl want build silli supercar and us that name sell drew think cizeta morodor that hasn reach product not for bugatti agre matt ain top dog ain sexi and svelt and ain real bugatti fact tight competit consuli for butt ugli car decad award isn that bad bugatti compound curv compar slab side consuli and bugatti quad turbo thing cylind turbo engin ti togeth ettor bugatti nephew board director and had hand develop that bugatti you like todai world enzo ferrari illegitam son allow part ferrari don car number motorcycl couldn you motorcycl alik that funni motorcylclist friend cage motorcycl and line honda includ race bike and present vfr note that lancia built recent histori fulvia pretti italian coup bower dod alfa ducati hobi kottk blad iaido nasa good sake don you that girl can plai guitar mari chapin carpent
rec.autos	dirti diesel nataraja rtsg mot write heard diesel consid cleaner burn ga engin emit carbon monoxid hydrocarbon and oxid nitrogen nox can put lot particul matter heard legisl discuss clean diesel emiss work instal scrubber for diesel feasibl instal truck and car catylit convert assum easier sinc remov particul matter convert gass hear peopl opinion and merced tinker particul trap kind turbocharg jetta ecodiesel that help reduc particul don mechan diesel car buss and truck europ equip catalyst and trap effort clean diesel emiss below legal limit shame had soil diesel reput passeng car and prevent resourc devot research into make thi outstandingli effici engin even ahead ga engin emiss erik
rec.autos	mercuri villag minivan good bui icjp asuacad bitnet icjp asuacad bitnet write nissan quest mpg citi tank mpg and remark smooth agre mercuri villag and impress and past bias manual standard transmiss own aerostar speed awesom settl villag and pleasantli surpris perform btw consum report report villag allud funni nois listen for haven notic unusu chri christoph born born ralvm vnet ibm
rec.autos	drag coefficientsvx previou articl gwm spl spl loral gari mahan explain make sens drag coeffici mention magazin understand that lower number signifi aerodynam thi mean real world calcul top speed assum car not rev limit top speed mileag benefit ident car had reduc pretti complex and isn stori for car calcul base frontal area car larg car good drag forc smaller car poorer calcul drag us thi formula rho drag forc lb rho local air densiti slug veloc and frontal area note that piec call rho sometim call qbar dynam pressur fanci aero term for air pressur forc note that power power lbf forc drag thi case lbf and veloc note that you put equat into substitut for forc you veloc cube term that huge increas power result increas speed ditto for decreas you mph car and reduc your top speed sound trumpet fanfar mph dissappoint bower dod alfa ducati hobi kottk blad iaido nasa good sake don you that girl can plai guitar mari chapin carpent
rec.autos	ree mgb question whire wheel aren chrome paint silver grei acceler stop shouldn doggi light weight car don pull topto make reach snap pull coupl top that replac spanp doesn work sit sun open car for coupl hour gentli continu blew connect rod bear your not bure oil don expect smooth ride lever arm shock hold road and your bladder ultra expens supposedli can rebuilt whitnei sell shock replac kit standard shock had rebuid bothth brake and clutch master cylind addit clutch slave thi work made world carb origin type replac had dual stomberg oil dampen side draft carb clutch replac replac engin and tranni pull unit you had mine hiogh school lot mainten us dai
rec.autos	servic indic bmw articl apr westminst jkjec westminst shazad barla write derek tool reset servic indic bmw light will come back week tool fact illeg europ atleast case that unsuspect punter trot bui us bmw and week light come that tool chang oil mile that newer audi requir mile talk oil chang queri you drive your car carefulli sudden acceler etc yeah oil chang quit reason you drive kinda fast bit tight abot that thingi point note light doesn mean will come shaz shaz hmm servic indic that work thi green yellow red indic initi green indic will for minut you start your car comput will sens you drive your car and time green indic will start and yellow indic will turn and red indic will and you servic time green indic servic mechan you will reset servic indic and comput start count expect tool procedur reset green light will come and yellow and red light will peopl can oil chang themself know reset indic european car and chang oil mile surpris and big that happen sinc oil lose lubric abil time thought oil and not vehicl that determin chang oil bmw owner net respons welcom initi question you seset servic indic bmw derek
rec.autos	improv automat transmiss articl apr westminst jkjec westminst shazad barla write want wheelspin auto you gear ga stick gear never thi work thi screw autobox bit debat neutral slam that test and shift revers forward gear repeatedli hold engin high rpm unit hold incred thi recommend techniqu rock stuck vehicl mud hydraul task mechan drivelin object break erici agre durabl tranni never intention slame firebird conv into gear leav tranni low read grab hold hit pedal and onc tire grab reach mph turbo auto shift read super and leav foot doubl strip rubber ground knew time quit impress peel mph tranni held fine motor mount last year ti motor larg chain yea fyi pontiac bore larg valv head hollei spread bore crain blazer cam don rememb spec positrac hooker header dual exhaust thi conv leather seat power window power top cruis etc yea pull cocktail shaker weight front and remov lead pellet acceler pedal damn regul miss that car sec and mpg don miss mpg front wheel ground quick jab pedal bent pushrod strip rocker stud month kind rev turn tach improv automat transmiss bui back sec open top brent
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rec.autos	anti carjack campaign articl apr freenet carleton freenet carleton nigel allen write press releas nation crime prevent council campaign urg driver rememb lock roll and lock car door immedi enter leav car roll window and and alert avoid situat that suspici that remind blurb polic blotter school paper line polic call and report suspici peopl hangn busi build turn two black men leav build homework late night
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rec.autos	replac custom seat articl apr colorado edu jerri bowman bowmanj csn org write car talk camaro chevel gto nova etc bunch place corvett don want put corvett seat origin seat exc shape uncomfort hell store and find set drive vett catalog for gener type seat can modifi bracket cushion height and width concern look local boneyard success find pair cheapo us thi summer tom
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rec.autos	chang brake fluid articl apr gmuvax gmu edu lcarr gmuvax gmu edu wrote articl chang brake fluid and wonder thi toyota corolla and process prevent mainten and wonder thi that add list thing inform greatli appreci love thi car and for long lisa sign manual will amplifi jeff goss answer absorb water will rust your brakelin and master cylind and calip and you suddenli lose your brake fluid
rec.autos	dirti diesel articl apr virginia edu ejv virginia edu erik velapoldi write nataraja rtsg mot write heard diesel consid cleaner burn ga engin emit carbon monoxid hydrocarbon and oxid nitrogen nox can put lot particul matter heard legisl discuss clean diesel emiss work instal scrubber for diesel feasibl instal truck and car catylit convert assum easier sinc remov particul matter convert gass hear peopl opinion and merced tinker particul trap kind turbocharg jetta ecodiesel that help reduc particul don mechan diesel car buss and truck europ equip catalyst and trap effort clean diesel emiss below legal limit shame had soil diesel reput passeng car and prevent resourc devot research into make thi outstandingli effici engin even ahead ga engin emiss erik don and measur regard diesel motor car truck and buss measur wrong pollut wrong time find offens drive diesel bu diesel truck and diesel car stink and roll window panic time come duck front drive famili don combust mixtur good control diesel engin and that stink invis unsmel pollut reduc diesel yeah forgot visibl stinki kind and concern kind bad for stink diesel vehicl traffic sign cleaner fred bach oper group internet music erich triumf triumf tri univers meson facil voic loc wesbrook mall ubc campu fax univers british columbia vancouv canada opinion make you read and question not necessarili reflect view employ fellow worker
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rec.autos	viper car alarm articl cdo uiuc edu uiuc edu ronald garnett write auto enthusiast recent had car mangl broken into and decid alarm instal viper and shock sensor sensor for each door ignit cutoff and automat door lock thi alarm instal syclon work great shock sensor sensit practic motion sensor car doesn trigger car rock gentli wind kind shock set even kick tire set work great worri hood and hatch pry gentli bypass alarm shock sensor adjust and two cycl you can adjust sensit that you open hood set alarm that you cannot pop hood syclon set alarm and had fals alarm thi system alarm tell you you disarm whether activ your absenc trace alarm and not fals alarm wonder easi for thief crawl underneath car and cut batteri cabl disabl alarm guess depend vehicl syclon tight engin compart that tough thi supplement power suppli you can put thi viper alarm don that car that bad alarm won even supplement power suppli viper sell fanci field disturb sensor that supposedli detect peopl approcah car thi primarili for convert convert and look thi featur detail alpin make radar unit you want zone that can shut independ that side your car pedestrian traffic that trigger alarm shut zone pull tighter don real benefit you convert that you leav top avoid voic alarm that can ad radar packag talk peopl walk instal lotu esprit kid taunt close warn back owner final disabl defeat purpos mind interest opinion you netter problem and viper gener real happi viper featur you can tune your prefer you can arm passiv not you can disabl chirp for arm disarm you can lock unlock door alarm arm disarm featur hate chirp alarm arm disarm mine flash light door lock featur care kei doesn you left your kei car passiv arm and lock door you meticul take your kei you take care rest car ford probe that us great shape ron garnett look alpin system real nice system monei and motion sensor standard shock sensor shock sensor and viper shock sensor cycl option alpin imho viper you lot good for monei isn absolut tamperproof system that jame bond had lotu for your ey can instal that had van world trade center huh merril
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rec.autos	chang oil maxima anoth question hand quart readlin gear oil quart throw into car nissan maxima idea can mix oil thi stuff drain us thi stuff you drain plug manual transmiss maxima comment you maxima owner thi thi stuff your car adv sammi
rec.autos	articl apr ol cdac ssave ol cdac devil reincarn write curiou know commerici car todai engin don don and flat abund legend tload minivan pickup car subcompact compact rang and below full size rang except rare person that product vener ford cid seri pickup that jeep big straight six not big jeep person don you not mustang cadillac lincoln camaro corvett thunderbird real full size pickup crown vic chevi mobi hcapric and even japanes and european vee hickl dodg viper dodg promis truck jaguar xj don ferarri and lamborghini us extens jame jame callison microcomput coordin oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark uc uoknor edu disclaim not engin plai work forecast call for thunder bird hell thing kill man you and gonna will munni unforgiven
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rec.autos	dirti diesel yeah diesel cleaner petrol power car even catalyst fit disel and citroen even launch sport diesel car world true you assum for product purpos merc benz had prototyp run diesel back and read thi mph shaz
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rec.autos	radar detector youi gui that legal radar detector illeg us isn that bit own gun not allow us mate switch whenev cop
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rec.autos	radar detector valentin articl apr convex tobia convex allen tobia write articl apr sequent troi sequent troi wecker write each valentin hand tune maximum perform radar band coverag thi add labor cost and turn cost unit live backyard folk make stalker radar system valentin save time stealth revenu enhanc trap local area had major brand detector and imho noth even come close don work for valentin satisfi user unit you want nitti gritti detail thi call nice folk valentin research will happi explain perspect radar detect and analysi method call free that and band for polic radar each month recent purchas last month bel stw not perfect detector mean job fairli pick car magazin airport and read thi super wideband superset wideband that thi latest gener detector tout cover bel seri detector that cover usual band photo wideband super wideband come point diminish return chase increas comput power faster and faster cpu for averag home consum that concern radar detector make sens upgrad month purchas detector valentin upgrad equip worth for upgrad valentin market for valentin purchas bel month wait time for sinc had inadequ protect passport life simpler and band and escort equip market and continu shop for detector hope that flood radar band ceas thi super wideband busi allen tobia technic email convex comput corp market tobia convex waterview parkwai richardson care you you care david hwang david ganglion ann arbor
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rec.autos	super mega automobil sight exot togeth articl kjb constel ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu jame callison write articl qinnk phantom gatech edu grahamt phantom gatech edu graham thoma write jmm virginia edu blade runner write sight such fine beast rememb mustang will forev true king road shelbi american king road name steal plan camaro king road thunder and mustang will forev king road isn road legal street legal that question moot price figur below street legal aren thi car hand drive weren that for made found shelbi american guid grand total built coup road car iii roadster mirag iv total addit uncomplet iii twelv car prototyp race coup road coup coup lhd iii and rhd iii breakdown follow list iv lhd rhd breakdown iii price for can bought million mark last heard project million thereabout second penni ant ferarri shelbi won fia world manufactur cup cobra that year that retir shelbi american race team favor ford program year that victori broke year ferarri win streak lotsa info spout refrain thi inform come hot rod magazin shelbi american cobra mustang guid info shelbi american ford you want jame jame callison microcomput coordin oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark uc uoknor edu disclaim not engin plai work forecast call for thunder bird hell thing kill man you and gonna will munni unforgiven
rec.autos	integra for articl ypt tsegw tse pbhandar tsegw tse parmind bhandari write heard unconfirm rumour that integra releas for you can set your watch honda releas model year and upgrad half car life local acura dealership tell that integra will june hard find specif detail integra delet rest world canada and australia discontinu gener europ you can japanes model europ japan and extrapol report that engin carryov craig info thi local sale peopl can throw parm sig
rec.autos	mustang articl zzd mentor purdu edu marshatt feserv purdu edu zauber write disclam thi not flame you anger easili petebr elof iit edu brenta peterson write mustang will ford highest profil car attract attent camaro firebird heritag embed gener public don lie and ford will forfeit that fyi bad that current mustang can even compet camaro activ imagin mustang cobra can check car can compar camaro for car that will perform exot you swear stat don lie compar car class certinali not for price ehhhh mustang cobra good job for lower price and tast ahead anniversari origin poni car ford get romeo you don that design for mark viii you hei can you imagin potenti modifi folk year will surpass level perform achiev late that scari corvett almost perform level cobra wow year perform level ford wow man jame jame callison microcomput coordin oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark uc uoknor edu disclaim not engin plai work forecast call for thunder bird hell thing kill man you and gonna will munni unforgiven
rec.autos	bmw articl apr ultb isc rit edu adn ritvax isc rit edu write look that bimmer yesterdai kmi owner odomet stop work kmi drivess sound good bodi like car despit auto tranni wife will primari driver thi and auto radio not work until car warm and you honk horn leak sunroof sticki oper odomet not work mention idl bit bounci rpm rpm wiper slow that teh gripe owner that chang radiat altern rotor and calip exhaust biggest problem that owner shifti sob tell strang stori hate that never bui persom that you descent for that amount monei that bring mechanicin wouldn check car take garag suspici and milag check for practic rust articl year back rememb issu mike don bui thing you mention will give you headach sound car lot work and you bmw not cheap fix owner sound shadi charact advantag sound good you calcul repair will sound you sink fix not never trust mileag concern mile and driven peopl you bmw hold you car subject wear and tear for you mile thing you rememb that thi isn last wait and shop for you can find that repair and legitim mileag unlik you gui coupl time good luck himsl
rec.autos	mustang articl otnm cybernet cse fau edu vlasi cybernet cse fau edu vlasi theodor write can put valv twin garret yugo and sec that useless yugo that will loos race track street yugo that will second will not lose street that damn quick wrap telephon pole end that quarter mile will alon you detroit be compar ultra long throw stick shift turbo bui mo you replac stock shifter hurst short throw shifter ford motorsport number market product boost perform mustang camaro can you that verili detroit aftermarket you can build mustang camaro superior car you mention for sticker price torsen differenti compar differenti that sound hairpin turn gee work and doesn break transmit power drive wheel and essenti mainten and aftermarket part for ford and chevi rear end and byth and camaro drum rear break thi mustang cobra report run gear mustang wheel disk can speak for camaro stop and market mustang and mass market sporti car that poni car class perform model that econo box run gear that factor into design mustang dai lee iacocca conceiv babi design wide market car sporti access room for perform tweak car you list design for specif market nich and fit nich mustang multipl market can speak for camaro jame jame callison microcomput coordin oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark uc uoknor edu disclaim not engin plai work forecast call for thunder bird hell thing kill man you and gonna will munni unforgiven
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rec.autos	mustang articl mux bpr constel ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu jame callison write articl zzd mentor purdu edu marshatt feserv purdu edu zauber write disclam thi not flame you anger easili petebr elof iit edu brenta peterson write mustang will ford highest profil car attract attent camaro firebird heritag embed gener public don lie and ford will forfeit that fyi bad that current mustang can even compet camaro activ imagin mustang cobra can check you mustang cobra can match perform interest belief craig own ford product craig
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rec.autos	tire comparison ev bui tire don spend tire that will last experi brand riken falken bfg gener can find for interest threadwear speed sinc drive mph true that will give you warranti such tire tire dealer final tire last longer tire threadwear that strictli speed factor for repli doesn kill make stronger internet vpopesc calstatela edu bitnet vpopesc csla bitnet
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rec.autos	radar detector valentin extend band recent bought band detector you gui nut research into usag thi area and found that not us thi state surround state found cop friend spend time nail speeder doesn even heard us and explain that us for photo radar etc yeah stand for automat duuhh that plan made for get laser gun high tech concern didn year band whistler consist speed trap even real sneaki call escort shop confirm that not us surround state claim that laser us lot quit skeptic end spend lot monei and wait month for state art detector low price high perform band escort incident perform equal top line model and band detect that escort surpass brand never fulli reli detector and convinc that escort quit good good for and wallet eliot
rec.autos	car bui stori christ anoth dealer servic scam articl apr slc slb dcd houston geoquest slb dan dai write articl apr newsgat sp mot rapw email sp mot write you find invoic price car add reason profit for dealer offer that price and stick whoa watch your terminolog dealer invoic not dealer cost that true closest that you actual dealer cost depend lot thing and even dealer doesn exactli will factori kick back incent etc paid and that depend volum end month quarter funni munber you start sticker and pai sticker price rip mark
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rec.autos	honda clutch chatter experi thi kinda problem bmw cold start up clutch sticki and everytim drive for clutch stick that depress clutch chassi move preheat becom smooth that your suggest humud remedi found that clutch thin alright for coupl grand
rec.autos	nasti insur peopl insur question allstat insur situat person wreck car car drivabl dealer person report accid car involv driver estim damag cost exceed cost car insur peopl claim car total exceed repair cost person wwhhhaatttt drove car and take anoth place place estim damag dealer hitch car regist florida accid occur pennsyvania question insur recogn and pai for damag thi fixabl car even prematurli declar total respond mail you you thi sort thing chri camp wpic pitt edu
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rec.autos	mustang and byth and camaro drum rear break thi vlasi theodor good point you that car compani make wheel disc standard and can cost that for disc you economi scale gain make wheel disc seper part number and order etc btw and tran and formula wheel disc bottom line model rear drum
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rec.autos	wax polish articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu bbarnard magnu ac ohio state edu bret barnard write spring time start wax wonder had suggest wax and polish carnuba wax recommend net wonder color wax cover minor scratch color wax give good qualiti shine good for paint clear coat liquid glass clear polish dri clear fill scratch good for paint clear coat post good and bad experi and hei name name brand gimmick stick plain carnauba wax that abras eagl meguiar turtl wax and good exampl color wax color scratch not appar approach buff minor scratch complet cleaner mild abras never liquid glass thi sampl year back aaron
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rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion point not mention hand driver shoulder definit feel good for passeng stretch arm and shoulder massag feel good shoulder connect arm and arm handlebar you hit brake pressur shoulder can make steer interest bundl cold make good gear pat thigh great good luck mike
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rec.motorcycles	batteri charger articl netnew upenn edu sanjai kin lap upenn edu sanjai sinha write notic that halogen tabl lamp run volt big thinngi that plug into wall volt question can trickl charg batteri you consider cheaper spend trickl charger mart ventur target replac halogen lamp power suppli you fuse pump current into batteri charg charger put volt jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
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rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion articl dsc rwert bob wert write advic ride pillion ninja thi will time for extend ride read farther block ride twisti fairli bumpi road mine road hamilton loop for you bai arean extend ride passeng ninja owww hate wet sock passeng bike for longest time start ride myelf and grew hate long ride sport bike passeng seat not design for long ride passeng posit aren even design for short ride end tortur knee and back take long ride passeng sport bike reason origin like current guythingi becas had bmw suggest shorter extend ride short turn mountain such pain and proce advic give begin passeng don bike rider and work sort signal for rider you bike squeez rider hip that readi and stop nod head show for your feet peg time don wiggl your rider ask you passeng unobtrus echo movement and lean your rider shoulder that comfort turn shoulder insid turn us your rider shift style rider us consist shift style avoid helmet bonk helmet bonk your rider rev bike and shift and sudden chang foreward acceler your helmet bonk get real fast pull stop put hand hand tank your weight push your rider tank put your hand tank good stretch your back you pain told get harder steer turn you leav switch your hand guardrail stretch your shoulder and squeez your thigh you your rider you guard rail isn safe hold your rider don afraid for frequent stop you pain lose feel your feet passeng seat not gener design for comfort work sort pull signal laura lemai lemai netcom writer trifl shadow and blood
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rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli previou articl xlyx vax cit cornel edu wheeli motorcycl shaft drive absolut earli good thi mike terri virago don your virago you purti good smell explod clutch fast chanc mike
rec.motorcycles	want advic for cylist articl apr hsh binger hsh write articl apr hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write question danger ride add two thing stupid road design poor and louisiana state sign caution sub standard roadwai dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	squid riceburn respect dana myer tue apr gmt wibbl articl qqxp cbmvax cbm commodor hartzler cbmvax cbm commodor jerri hartzler cat write articl apr icomsim mman icomsim michael man write duck squid don wave return wave even each excus for ignoramu squid and you chri behanna squid dana myer bmw squid two arm longer nick biker dod concis oxford longer arm lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	paint job lisa rowland wed apr wibbl can recommend good place for price bike paint job prefer not essenti london area lisa rowland alex technolog hous uxbridg road tel eal fax london email lisa alex lisa pip wonder thing paint work and good luck nick connect biker dod concis oxford bore paint job lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	happi easter dave edmondson wed apr gmt wibbl nick pettefar npet bnr wrote kevinh tue apr gmt wibbl jonathan quist bemoan minor blasphemi that compani like jaguar sob lotu outright sacrileg for british ownership fundament thing lotu set for manag buyout weren happi that elan late and pricei can write elan develop cost sell for sensibl price legal claus name own british compani owner can sell compani not name kevinh hasler ascom don that seper compani aero engin compani vicker roll royc car and kevin post morgan us slide pillar front suspens bike long bleed last will that pettefar bloke mail address can bung ogri list dave david edmondson david dc qmw queen mari westfield colleg dod guzzi man thi mean end hors drawn zeppelin you mean bleedin signatur nick connect biker dod concis oxford mail address lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	insur discount articl apr organpip uug arizona edu asphaug lpl arizona edu erik asphaug write move bai area insur bike and regist eas shock can guesstim cost insur and tucson cost full and liabil for two per annum agent daniel sui and quit good job for you check locat san francisco and special bike insur daniel sui insur balboa street san francisco michael michael nelson cbr internet nelson seahunt imat dod
rec.motorcycles	for movi bike articl apr isc jeq lachman jonathan quist write freebi and bean great chase scene trial bike dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	max handl request articl tcora gator pica armi mil tcora pica armi mil tom coradeschi write jearl tekig pen tek jeffrei david earl wrote ntuvax ntu write can handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl gui omrra race school last weekend number plate max didn practic lap push frame hard and drove into guard rail back straight btw rider consciou and semi coher ambul cart that hate pick injur hope not semi coher sound good descript show track vmax place that make for show interceptor wors brake and handl due bent frame vmax and didn even semi coher ambul nevermind axel
rec.motorcycles	part info for maicoletta scooter articl uea slack sim pashdown slack sim pete ashdown write for brake info relin exist shoe vintag brake bluefield av newburi park relin type obsolet motorcycl brake shoe ferodo materi maicoletta owner anywher contact place deutsch motorrad regist grover place shreveport club for type two wheel german equip includ scooter period ad for maico scooter stuff newslett dave tharp dod you can wear davet interceptor cd tek mra indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief ama built rock velorex nsu max knock bmw compuls harlei that employ idea joiner give you grief
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl apr vax cit cornel edu xlyx vax cit cornel edu write wheeli motorcycl shaft drive front wheel us lever handlebar accomplish thi michael michael nelson cbr internet nelson seahunt imat dod
rec.motorcycles	mainten tip articl riwa world std cgkarra world std christoph karra write read servic manual for bike suzuki coupl question hope you can answer check oil level dip stick built into oil fill cap check cap screw not bike that us dipstick sight glass design check screw manual for cbr specif state thi michael michael nelson cbr internet nelson seahunt imat dod
rec.motorcycles	exhaust coat articl coburnn spot colorado edu coburnn spot colorado edu nichola coburn write essbaum rchland vnet ibm alexand essbaum write fzr black exhaust pipe rusti and research get repair yesterdai bought can vht degre black header paint and spent hour sand two header pipe hand sprai paint thought clean metal sand and determin that wouldn supris paint wore chip month part delet axel axel not purchas fyex exhaust bra for great and cheaper powder coat had dilemma and opt for quit pleas exhaust bra guess not fabric thing that strap pipe chin fair lower don ride lower plastic axel
rec.motorcycles	kinder gentler bmw mail list bmw mail list sinc bike list and limit bike decid give thi and interest read thi post you plan subscrib list restrict for discuss thi list that bmw don care bmw and will post articl that local bmw club newslett and incourag club member tech articl subscrib list send messag list address bmw rider cactu org word subscrib cap subject messag word subscrib subject subscrib you put keyword messag bodi your messag will list and you will ridicul belief your line valid return address list will us address your line you us return address contain your line not send mail list send note directli joe rider cactu org and care manual list will hack outgo messag line that your origin full name preserv return address replac mail list address bmw rider cactu org thi you simpli repli messag list depend your mail interfac natch us elm that wrote for thi mind you repli messag and question author parentag remov your name list send messag list address word unsubscrib cap subject messag word unsubscrib subject remov your name list you put keyword messag bodi your messag will list and you will ridicul belief list run home system poor box run version that smell somewhat unix mta isn smartest manag hack make decent list mta addit and remov handl automat script that intercept messag base subject below and occassion goof will send respons messag back you subscrib you not receiv respons reason amount time link and sometim run spurt send messag joe rider cactu org and into list turn popular and mta grok number address freez list recipi can come mta good luck joe senner joe rider cactu org joe mpd tandem bmw mail list bmw rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	person michael moscoso michael you your inquiri bmw mail list replac your return addr list addr can repli manual add you post list contact directli joe senner joe rider cactu org bmw mail list bmw rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	never valv adjust bought yamaha mile last year put commut mile onnit valv adjust interv supposs check pad clearenc and never chang clearanc get smaller make sens pad system pad wear clearanc great that thread adjust can tighten didn kind bottom line that haven touch valv for thi bike and nice and quiet and clearanc tighter deal yam tripl owner notic extrem long valv adjust interv
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each articl mdenni beryllium mdenni xerox matt denni write apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write articl apr ttinew tti paulb harlei tti paul blumstein write had peopl cage wave give thumb occass return wave thumb that never happen start ride harlei that notic kid wave biker reaction boi enthusiast wave and good wave kid that notic bike figur help futur sport yeah imposs tough biker year start wave you beav mike beavington dod sabr mbeav bnr employ idea talk
rec.motorcycles	test ride gt articl finnqsp spim mti sgi timl zulu mti sgi tim layman write sign will bui bike wreck and will not sue you matter paper point bike and fun nervou lot nervou expens bike and hate bui alon wreck you harlei disclaim you crash care bike you care you you respons for bike your insur cover green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each articl beryllium mdenni xerox matt denni write genet thing boi even and year boi magnet attract motorcycl virtaulli sort dismai thier mother you answer your question green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	want bmw insu tip benham wed apr gmt wibbl market for bui bmw ideal interest for sale ag not problem interest good exampl massiv amount mile and maintain intend and for time sound advic regard insur licenc for year accid claim convict bmw owner club insur will wait year ian futur beemer owner advic contact local dealer yellow page motorcycl dealer and for address local section bmw owner club local bmw dealer will give you detail bmw insur term and club will you detail get bike dealer bet you can afford warranti fairli handi bit made solid gold apart part made rubi and platinum appar nick perpetu broke bmw biker dod concis oxford loot lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	bike honda ascot nbetz csi compuserv nathan betz write bui bike and honda ascot mile thi sound reason choic special ascot bike recommend interest mine for sale bum starter and mile coupl hundr for rich
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl lmsc lmsc lockhe write thread degener compar cost msf cours delet hei even highest price mention glassboro jersei bargain worth penni and lot thing you relat your bike that won feel that patricia phj remu rutger edu
rec.motorcycles	bmw heat grip articl world std artc world std art campbel write bergman panix mark bergman write you bmw heat handgrip summer you wisegui mean comfort hard rubber compound wear kind glove fingerless hottest dai two factor not cushi need heat grip made piec bicycl tube and cheap electr heat pad drugstor top foam grip soft and warm cheaper factor david karr karr cornel edu
rec.motorcycles	death stroke die zebe wattl itd adelaid edu zebe johnston write load horrend engin problem delet idea folk yeah bui stroke
rec.motorcycles	flame exhaust articl ebt cmptrc lonestar org neal cmptrc lonestar org neal howard wrote hei lone biker apocalyps rais arizona had flame come exhaust pipe love toggl kill switch sportster produc flame backfir underneath overpass night loud and light underpass peopl ass back canon fire roll back harlei yea rais hell baffl john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	post gif bmw articl apr new columbia edu sc cunixb columbia edu sebastian sear wrote and plai columbia scanner and scan bunch pictur bmw not color greyscal gif mind post euro archiv directori specif for bmw ftp vax winona msu edu user euro pass spoog bmw and put you john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride hartzler cbmvax cbm commodor jerri hartzler cat write articl apr aber azw aber andi woodward write gener find that two decent hit nitrou ride improv enorm drink silli your breath smell cost lot monei and pig can detect machin work for and free sit car jam and breath deepli dentist car you back think you got your gase confus come car carbon monoxid come whippit nitrou oxid
rec.motorcycles	back breaker hit year and half ago start ride msf lesson heart past year had collis traffic moron wheel yesterdai add anoth list thi felt helpless sit light car length car wise decsion suddenli hear screech tire dart ey mirror and realiz moroon fly panic pop clutch and stall bike luckili gui stop foot rear wheel understand you theoret stop car can you actual avoid such incid suggest
rec.motorcycles	your advic rider articl apr bsu uc cjmelch leo bsuvc bsu edu write tachomet sticker that for mile not rpm and for mile don refer break period you didn that never mph even gear question will hurt cycl rpm rang that can speed limit you can speed limit rpm you find road mph speed limit thi isn quit silli sound you nice dai trip back road not highwai full peopl you hold mph comfort you easili mile weekend you even enjoi sceneri thi not you bought call ninja david karr karr cornel edu bmw dod bmwmoa nra aclu
rec.motorcycles	not permen scratch mj sy uea mike sixsmith write bobm brimston bob morlei write articl sfppisk hpo andrew cmu edu catherin barbara saum andrew cmu edu write passnger fianc bandit hip pack rub tail and left nasti dull finish and teeni scratch rid buff wax mcguyer make full line polish compound and wax read labl and pick that match mark that you paint you and your fianc favor put nice thick coat carnuba wax bike that scratch will buff concour sophist ladi tom dietrich sportster sport for sale dod spike garag rat ama queu for fssnoc two joust and gather big fun kspt bell cool rule sometim mail txd mkt lewi disclaim take respons for opinion preced thi
rec.motorcycles	bui bike etc articl inform dev inform michael seal write articl apr galaxi gov bclark galaxi gov write lot post wanna bui bike gsxr cbr fzr good bike learn etc can bui gsxr gsxr cbr cbr fzr fzr zxr problem small agil learner bike problem that you can bui bike north america gsxr bandit bruce clark environ mail bclark galaxi gov
rec.motorcycles	think motorcycl tour zealand novemb januari timefram tour compani thi notabl beach tour can thi experi good and bad bruce clark environ mail bclark galaxi gov
rec.motorcycles	blow yuk yuk yuk articl apr new columbia edu rdc cunixf columbia edu robert castro write you decid that windi ride easi you drag your peg drive straight line driven mph side wind difficulti beav mike beavington dod sabr mbeav bnr employ idea talk
rec.motorcycles	contempl ottawa san francisco ottawa trip articl lbpv quantum qnx david gibb dagibb quantum qnx write rec motorcyclist come labour dai weekend thi year worldcon world scienc fiction convent will held san francisco california plan attend and specul trip motorcycl plane initi thought live and depart ottawa ontario canada had plan two week for thi trip give dai travel time side weekend thi distanc mile your distanc calc correct for road distanc and not crow fli thi dai for dai you spend entir time interst total wast time that hour road dai not includ eat pee sight etc contempl similar trip ottawa ottawa austin figur wanna trip thi magnitud and enjoi ass major interst and spend lot time enjoi countri stop camera meet town peopl bar sens spend week helmet closest human contact found ga pump estim week make trip worthwhil for input opinion comment snarki remark saniti question suggest rout note get import and schedul doesn leav lot room for side trip circuit rout and stai interst join thi trip for even part distanc depend your rout and plan head that detroit that come mind and that you relev call whithors pess book distribut cater motorcyclist larg number book highlight road for motorcyclist gener rout you carri list bed and breakfast state accept motorcyclist order free catalog and you find book cover absolut you for thi trip motorcyclist and cycl world classifi for input david gibb dagibb qnx kawasaki concour dod dave true that monei talk mine spoke bui drink
rec.motorcycles	blow yuk yuk yuk articl new columbia edu rdc cunixf columbia edu robert castro write you decid that windi ride windi stand you road high wind stai alert even alert your alert you motorcycl and kill you kind alert awar terrain and funnel wind sudden gust not gust stand gusti you ride you ride steadi crosswind awar hill that will block wind and adjust your lean angl awar pass truck your windward side your lean angl will chang dramat you enter and you leav turbul cone reduc your profil lean ga tank and kiss tripl clamp nimbl hand steer readi counterst into and sudden wind burst larger usual buffer zone ahead and and side you can easili blown half lane you can react counterst close ey traffic your mirror come want pass earli stop for short brake extens ride high wind mental and physic fatigu green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
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rec.motorcycles	start troubl cbr articl rpi edu chungi aix rpi edu yau felix chung write troubl start keep run cbr had problem sinc last year subsid back problem persist choke usag pattern gasolin type brand octan and pretti can imagin chang dealer stump warranti start bike run great for second engin start slow decreas idl set will increas engin speed increas choke increas engin speed engin will eventu slow and stop onc stop will not restart even flood engin drill sit minut start beautifulli and run great for ride hard for mile and bring back ride easi for mile cool and put dai drill idea thi anoth rider had similiar problem and thi mail hope thi help resolv you problem allen tobia write check vent tube tank sometim tube clog constrict thi prevent ga flow into carb vacuum creat displac gasolin thi small tube bottom tank larg tube overflow you will remov left side tail section access thi area good luck clog wouldn thi interfer engin oper time run run good point not catch thi origin post thing come mind sinc thi graviti feed fuel system thi fuel petcock valv vacuum control carbur suppos small hole bad seal hose vacuum valv fuel petcock cold hole open open valv ga carb choke sinc choke creat low pressur carb draw ga and engin and surround area warm hole seal check fuel flow valv pull side panel and remov fuel hose carb connect tube correct size prefer clear tube observ fuel flow output side fuel petcock remov control hose carbur make tank full place valv posit and appli vacuum control hose prefer vacuum devic gaug check for air leak vacuum appli fuel flow freeli vent problem thi fuel filler cap open and close flow lot faster filler cap open vent airwai posit and depend posit clog partial clog vent heard fuel tank replac fix thi problem thing defect control hose carb petcock valv and possibl fuel tank vent show problem fuel flow cold carb screw thing check type dai list back togeth appli vacuum petcock valv and open drain hole carb check fuel flow open airbox and check for foreign debri clog airwai carb quit each carb hope flush thi troubl shoot american honda not resolv thi mad hell and report bbb and call honda custom servic hotlin number don recal top head call tire for and dai custom satisfact inquiri card arriv home ask like support receiv your chanc you bui servic manual invalu sourc inform for work your bike and add troubl shoot
rec.motorcycles	bike jlevin hydro jodi levin write bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada you syd meant wrote that line damn wrong newsgroup wrong newsgroup syd mean wrote that line erc curiou dod
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rec.motorcycles	never valv adjust smead hpstc rose steve smead write bought yamaha mile last year put commut mile onnit valv adjust interv supposs check pad clearenc and never chang clearanc get smaller make sens pad system pad wear clearanc great that thread adjust can tighten didn kind bottom line that haven touch valv for thi bike and nice and quiet and clearanc tighter deal yam tripl owner notic extrem long valv adjust interv yeah had that valv seat tend wear slowli and that pad shouldn wear will tend compens sort compens system
rec.motorcycles	dog bike articl rmccu cunyvm bitnet rmccu cunyvm bitnet robert chamber write articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant you can you wait long not put effort into dog not us fart time make notic smell doesn bother and kick somewhat liter realiz that shoudln not and two year doesn big thi dog size cow readi burst that suppos mean lb understand english wind break fed cheap food and not thing time had adjust each brand for andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
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rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl apr asl nec drinck tssc wlg nec write peopl act smug chain final drive effici and higher mainten and didn answer start thread you and chang law physic number us bandi shaft drive order effici chain drive closer that thi make chain drive effici hmmmmm and grant shaft lot mainten fine you don mind perform randi davi email randi megatek pilot uunet ucsd megatek randi dod thi eleven nigel tufnel spinal tap
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rec.motorcycles	your advic rider articl apr bsu uc cjmelch leo bsuvc bsu edu write that never mph even gear question will hurt cycl rpm rang that can speed limit had inconveni bought mph initi break despit high qualiti motor oil and motorcycl engin dai follow instruct and citi street ride for mile heck mile fast and worth you haven possibl screw your engin time thi make week long thread debat break topic alan
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rec.motorcycles	back breaker hit articl menudo edu ind rosi edu write understand you theoret stop car can you actual avoid such incid suggest even strategi leav buffer you and car front manuv bike gear clutch handl squeez that for engag disengag two car stop you bdi cager come screach simpli ride side car front you you don panic and you will pop clutch and stall engin smoothli rapidli cage front you will provid protect empti road green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack work for lean dog modul throttl ankl ahead teeth second warm pipe firmli wedg shoulder turn face sidewai warm and mouth nose muzzl burn pipe yip and veer never chase neil kirbi dod nak archi cbusa att bell lab columbu usa you speak for you lawyer sens
rec.motorcycles	want polic offic answer post articl shaman tek robd orca tek write articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write you expect cop answer honestli you gotta expect cop honest that anoth stori yeah cop lie and peopl deal dai and dai truth sir occif sir wazznut drink tonight plai back sir wasn speed reali xxmph that gui didn come stereotyp cop that stereo type show open mind for ourselv stretch worth reason for that cop wouldn peopl break law you part honesti joke sorta peopl had bad experi cop ly perfect and tell truth you god andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
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rec.motorcycles	cold articl ccu umanitoba klinger ccu umanitoba jorg klinger write pli hoc agat berkelei edu robinson cogsci berkelei edu michael robinson write andi you straight yank satisfi git canadian that parochi ostrich yank midwai insipid invas florida and aren even awar typic attempt foriegn polici adventur and even notic canadian can even make balkan bore michael robinson ucbvax cogsci robinson internet robinson cogsci berkelei edu
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rec.motorcycles	back breaker hit articl menudo edu ind rosi edu wrote bdc driver ram back innoc biker understand you theoret stop car can you actual avoid such incid suggest glad hear that bozo manag stop ride for two year rule for traffic light surviv never stop hill car stop such locat pull almost complet car front car front turn bike somewhat sidewai across lane increas visibl oncom vehicl make your taillight visibl traffic note bike bright white turn sidewai black bike not benefici flat road stop bit room ahead two bike length thi will hopefulli give room pull forward and side car approach you last line vehicl watch your mirror constantli you vehicl approach and can evid that slow flicker your brake light last vehicl line will pull and releas brake car approach notic car watch mirror vari speed flicker hope make cager notic that lane ahead that situat you line that feel defenseless you line your forward escap rout limit you can move forward extent that you don enter intersect leav room stop line light activ stop line and watch mirror decid that hop bike thi situat idea for line traffic directli you rob rob griffith erasur shonala wildswan judybat rem smith robg appl faa certifi cloud basher wanna drive zamboni
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each bike wave sort small town wide open space type thing that louisiana mention arkansa helena kid fun gender watch cliff cage wave biker don wave back wife think strang don care jim bessett jame bessett att
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack articl cbnew att nak cbnew att neil kirbi wrote work for lean dog modul throttl ankl ahead teeth second warm pipe firmli wedg shoulder turn face sidewai warm and mouth nose muzzl burn pipe yip and veer never chase nice ridin tex us california dmv recommend techniqu slow you aproach dog and wick you pass contempl put boot dog muzzl open throttl never that figgur impact unbal and dump bike bicycl techniqu emploi us frame mount tire pump fend dog attack occas attack pack dog onc peddal steep hill lost sock blood complain local anim control depart complain owner dog affect dog dog attack telephon work tire pump eric bong dod fzr vfr
rec.motorcycles	blow yuk yuk yuk articl apr new columbia edu rob castro write you decid that windi ride isn that evid thing you decid that you ga never experienc wind sever physic preclud oper motorcycl matter decid whether aggrav troubl worth thi depend your circumst and person disposit michael robinson ucbvax cogsci robinson internet robinson cogsci berkelei edu
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff articl apr dsd bgardner pebbl blain gardner write articl ltdv ainn earth utexa edu mcguir utexa edu tommi marcu mcguir write articl oav vtserf edu ranck joesbar edu ranck write and you will moder amount flamag for express opinion matter opinion will flame you for hei hell you mean that you suck god express opinion carri gun and not wear helmet goddamn you stand for stupid give scale not mention hitler koresh weigh your favor you neglect mention mph tenni ball girl and counterst anoth thing centerstand weasel squeezer chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack articl bong kfp slac mac slac stanford edu bong slac stanford edu eric bong write nice ridin tex us california dmv recommend techniqu slow you aproach dog and wick you pass thi standard strategi that taught cuz that told illinoi msf class work you don satisfact kick shit rabid hell beast alan
rec.motorcycles	kawi partial engin disassembl kawasaki millimetr plai gearchang pedal axl word can move axl sidewai and for millimetr each direct thi doesn bother ride guess fix wouldn hurt last summer bike shop valv adjust and mechan mention that easi job remov front sprocket cover and replac bush seal that find closer inspect discov that gearchang axl doesn even run sprocket cover that addit remov cover remov sprocket and cover that sprocket question remov thi small cover left side engin enabl lai hand that bush seal don exact term english question thi disassembl job for thi purpos oil for exampl stai insid engin teppo nieminen dod zoo helsinki finland
rec.motorcycles	gasolin stop ride year ago upgrad sabr park corner park lot and plan drain ga sprai oil tank etc readi store lot procrastin end throw tarp move and want clean start batteri and had luck guess that ga and plan drain and replac ga can prai that didn trash carbeur question thi ga not run sabr and that that don want burn campu polic don kindli bonfir dump isn great idea for idea georg heinz win question thi code fair compil int main for for time for printf
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion rwert bob wert write tradit signal for slow faster hafta pee etc experi pound fist your back mean slow concentr smooth and you will make experi enjoy even normal upshift your passeng bob eas throttl pull clutch elimin thi work your passeng will found that rear brake normal help bike dive routin stop make easier for passeng hang you sport ride passeng reach you and brace tank you don bear your weight your arm your bike will dive paul thompson appl comput
rec.motorcycles	want polic offic answer post vike iastat edu dan sorenson write and cop heh attitud stop speak gui reciev verbal warn for mph laugh hei dan potenti cool stori stuff share detail never break don enlighten and enliven and live vicari waitin for that stori erc grandrapid usa vfr dod
rec.motorcycles	dod confession articl apr bnr mbeav bnr write hate pre motorcycl thought phase us didn happen gaze and custom that pretti hard sinc custom weren introduc you find pre hold will worth big buck dai everytim read sig contain spoke wheel shudder and feel piti that poor soul suffer mine comstar wheel methink you your homework employ idea talk and you keith schauer texa instrument plain texa custom dod insan societi sane man insan ama compani disavow knowledg action
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write articl unisql rai unisql rai shea write louisiana relat liquor eat sleep walk talk church state life death and dare you make such accus accus thought recommend mean grow oughta wern busi unload beer truck for week end come that and talk wit you bring truck and pound crawfish and talk rai shea unisql inc unisql rai utexa edu dod team twinki hawk
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff articl oav vtserf edu ranck joesbar edu ranck write and you will moder amount flamag for express opinion matter opinion will flame you for bill you full shit that stupidest thing heard obmoto happen miss discuss deltabox frame need work last week care repeat sinc gui ask and ignor you email rai shea unisql inc unisql rai utexa edu dod team twinki hawk
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff articl apr dsd bgardner pebbl blain gardner write articl ltdv ainn earth utexa edu mcguir utexa edu tommi marcu mcguir write hei hell you mean that you suck god express opinion carri gun and not wear helmet goddamn you stand for stupid give scale not mention hitler koresh weigh your favor you neglect mention mph tenni ball girl and counterst anoth thing that mexican food lot folk mistak heat for qualiti subtl refer person qualiti habit ancestri posses gener earn point letter word cap lock kei and introduc polysyllab word strabism for exampl like insur that small part your flame will becom immort blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd mon overreact worth coupl point not mention bit condemn everth flame sequitur gun and helmet proper flourish person opinion that two type good flame trade qualiti sens you mention for heat thi surpris and correctli contend entertain true that flame post not mention habitu veloc friend dinner entertain flair and short weak thi type flame that can easili point becom trite and bore wit infant thread recent type flame you glorifi weak place can verbos and tediou extrem reader not strongli identifi side second discuss person qualiti habit and can quickli becom libel that slander can never rememb differ thi lead prolifer lawyer wide regard bad thing final introduc polysyllab word problemat can haul big dic bike and bad form us word turn mean ran counter us and flamag gener summari blain your score for that flame incorrect wunder flame weak you point not necessarili weak and your suggest correct not applic you couldn outrun tenni ball flatul dog stapl your posterior and bet you and your motorcycl lean turn for you tommi mcguir mcguir utexa edu mcguir austin ibm will append disclaim outgo public inform identifi person and independ ibm
rec.motorcycles	rider join group ride group gener speak peopl mind anoth rider tag had distinct feel not tag group last weekend jon fault car headlight glare
rec.motorcycles	dog articl apr ac ucalgari parr ac ucalgari charl parr write articl sixgun east sun egreen east sun write articl adob cjackson adob curti jackson write articl apr ac ucalgari parr ac ucalgari charl parr write sheesh even train attack dog match for human advantag agre thi for chihuahua polic and militari don train doberman and shephard and us weapon easi for averag joe defeat barehand you oppos thumb dog teeth effect name for vision hear and smell you and like faster reflex you motorcycl paw roll and blow doesn even net access bull pucki us dog peopl scare shitless and nose and vision and hear cop partner attend dog meat hand human bad attitud and ittl train violent forc hors puckei cop partner attend like control us forc kill dog teeth aren good arm shove into back anim throat and held and neck not you disabl dog mouth and us your arm bout front and read paw and fact that plug that mouth you dog advantag balanc espcial strong leg joint can easili snap skull easili crush even largest dog you snap leg crush skull dog us harden instrument such basebal bat us arm and full cooper beasti involv not that easi wait you your arm shove dog mouth you lose your advic correct dog match for train human fight you qualifi you earlier statement train human sheesh even train attack dog match for human advantag peopl not train deal dog that maul you clue regard charl span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person steve mansfield told miracl for each dai that smm uunet net told love that born for each that di suzuki told call feel alon dod and afraid told you dream world you find swim lake fire dream theater metropoli part miracl and sleeper
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion articl mellon apr pepper ncd mellon ncd ted lemon write long ride girlfriend nanci notic drift swore take passeng ten year ago recal sturgi get strang passeng read book engross that didn even notic hit roadkil make hit dai rider john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	bike honda ascot articl csi compuserv nbetz csi compuserv nathan betz write folk bui bike and honda ascot mile thi sound reason choic special nathan nice litl bike love ride brother law dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	krypto cabl cobra lock follow had bad experi krypto lock last year bought krypto cabl long that that standard decent piec us us for secur purpos us for entertain mind gutter that sat fiddl watch night minut mindless fiddl mindless rememb watch entir tumbler mechan kei not unlik that georgi porgi nurseri rhyme thi left empti cylind and secur read swingin breez cabl lock kinda make flat kei style lock yank slide hammer and viola make insur claim similar experi krypto not bike theft erc
rec.motorcycles	paint job lisa alex lisa rowland write can recommend good place for price bike paint job prefer not essenti london area lisa rowland dream machin exampl work and pretti good midland
rec.motorcycles	cager antic footbal field articl daili thi week soccer goalkeep had carri field collis ford sierra cage cage driver want turn need drive pitch thi wait till ball and player end start manouvr boot ball back pitch goalkeep ran backward goal straight into cage
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl bethdc netcom bethd netcom beth dixon write beth true beth dixon bethd netcom yamaha excit girl dod yamaha spike garag rat fssnoc ducati ama ducati monza restor project kqspt can handl thi side derang top wait cotton pick minut dod rule section paragraph that multipl peopl can lai claim bike obviou ploi artifici increas size stabl question dai spike own ladi true class and breed definit woman ride tom hare head note that you lai claim conni sport ladi discrimin tast bore mind wanta bradw newbridg sig plan clue dod
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion don find pee scare don armoral seat ride even you you will urin proof qualiti henri prang biker renal physiologist physiolog sch med blgtn dod bmwmoa gsi ride conv cage explor cage tenet major religion you wrong you deserv punish
rec.motorcycles	squid riceburn respect articl apr locu dana lando locu dana myer write articl qqxp cbmvax cbm commodor hartzler cbmvax cbm commodor jerri hartzler cat write articl apr icomsim mman icomsim michael man write duck squid don wave return wave even each excus for ignoramu squid and you chri behanna squid squid gui back decemb cool degre morn work wear knee length pant light jacket glove consider slower dod nomin poser squid gui yesterdai home similar attir san jacket april texa ride freewai left hand side kinda robinhoodlik bodi turn slightli left bring mean term poser
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion random thought ride passeng substitut for bike suffici power passeng occasion small etc bike us ride hard ride and that great even move freind gsx ride recent thi due part fact that regular passeng slimlin passeng stai line bike corner that make movement predict regular passeng tend hold rack noth don passeng hold for short period that bias fact that had coupl passeng friend recent for time bike hold real tight make kind maneuv difficult discov that longer trip prefer passeng move and shift weight bit recent work collegu meet hour ride and sat total left sit and get sore back code system for turn stop and for shift posit chri seabrook fujitsu open system solut inc phone holli street emeryvil usa fax dod per saltir gule and sun counterchang
rec.motorcycles	hawk seat review unabl stand pain anymor wife bought corbin gunfight and ladi passeng backrest for hawk instruct week earlier instal easi seat fasten hardwar appar wrong side stock seat never easi put onc figur that seat passeng backrest not fit thought suppli screw set backrest angl not fit and not found suitabl hard sae grade perhap bolt that fit soft bolt don lean back driver section seat bit wider comfort put mile stock seat thought passeng section time volum foam that stock seat and short test comfort backrest help bit not time test backrest come small pocket difficult swing leg taller seat notch ride dixvil pinkham smuggler give complet report gener improv frank evan perdicaro xyvis color system legal gun drug and cash todai edgewat drive inhous frank marvin wakefield outhous frank contex
rec.motorcycles	maxima chain wax articl apr ac ucalgari parr ac ucalgari charl parr write bought miracl spoog chain lube wheel clean vfr goddamn competit accessori hasn mail order hell two week and order pretti bizzar stuff clear face sheild and can chain wax bastard dean dean cookson dcookson mitr org dod ama mitr corp burlington bedford kotnml kotb road shepherd and not stop vfr sam eliott road hog mtv bianchi limit
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each articl arturo infmx arturo informix arturo vega write caught wave oncom motorcycl rider car caught bicycl that count dean dean cookson dcookson mitr org dod ama mitr corp burlington bedford kotnml kotb road shepherd and not stop vfr sam eliott road hog mtv bianchi limit
rec.motorcycles	dog charl parr parr ac ucalgari wrote bull pucki us dog peopl scare shitless and nose and vision and hear cop partner attend dog meat hand human bad attitud and ittl train violent forc thing that polic dog us for bullet human polic offic charl peopl scare dog and will panic attack will turn weapon dog and thi polic offic control your advic correct dog match for train human fight singl person singl dog face face confront contest dog match for human will fight multipl dog stori bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg
rec.motorcycles	dod pin not kid and kidlet your pal kotpm keeper pin monei good and bad new good new laid pin will come us comput softwar phrase real bad new order compani up minimum order for manufactur wire order pin result low number pin releg run bin result that anoth week your belov geeki guid you blacktop and thought madonna dashboard foolish hmmm that madonna sit dashboard that danger hell tough continu patient arriv post grand announc and rush messiah directli your abod meantim you revis version holi word geeki send cash monei order cod ranch apocalyp ashram geeki cyberspac place msf class hope not bore wife made michael menard
rec.motorcycles	stori lynn pacesett lynn hall write lynn pacesett lynn hall write allow god open contain street sign bar yeah cop hand for coupl thousand biker block main street not cite street fill empti can feet deep gutter crowd raisin hell titti show can you parti and stereotyp erc whacha mean ifin want stereotyp that like drink beer and watch love ladi displai beauti bodi that stereotyp you refer stereotyp infer neg you notic didn rape pillag burn town left mucho buck monei town think town like lynn hall no bro bein themfolk tend compos fair piec popul bein that regard biker loud irrespons irrever reprob rabbl you didn rape and pillag relief that you such gentlemen you not complet hand you justifi your lesser indescret pretti distort think notic that you left mucho buck monei nevermind critic line forgot that leav mucho buck monei behavior permiss perhap even justifi mind that themfolk that give biker get kill elect offici institut draconian legisl helmet law gun control etc that don respect right road not respect rest time continu continu wear your stigma badg time you whine and effect valu rememb that behavior righteou wuss that bai for thi long enjoi erc dod
rec.motorcycles	bmw heat grip mark bergman bergman panix wrote you bmw heat handgrip summer you wisegui mean comfort transmit lot vibrat compar stock grip foam grip make differ winter and had heat grip instal can grip and feel standard grip not soft last weekend mile round trip and point and rain heat grip great had bike month and heat grip favorit featur bike bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each arturo informix arturo vega wrote maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write you habit watch carefulli for bike you cage thi good thing caught wave oncom motorcycl rider car caus wife conclud that total insan not partial lift left hand wheel and wave windshield damn motion bike tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	trace licens plate bdi cager jeq lachman jonathan quist wrote articl qmgg sixgun east sun egreen east sun write traffic citat accus commit crime that motion trial you want you innoc proven guilti cop not can accus peopl commit crime wit crime can highwai patrol and explain situat give descript car and licens number and specif violat law you wit and prosecut search vehicl code and section number handi fill ticket and sign will system ticket cop write contest you will court prosecut your word will not carri weight cop and advic polic offic had close call that addit imparti wit word driver and that decid whether time and inconveni worth time and inconveni driver and whether posit effect result make feel worth thi onc bdi ladycag town car pass two lane road memor licens plate thi dai carri pen and paper tankbag and local polic station cop fill ticket sign paid tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	owner tankbag suggest want bgardner pebbl blain gardner write articl apr ncsu edu martenm chess ncsu edu mar marten write for tank bag and wonder you follow owner make suggest and not work for you file thi apolog for ask and will gladli accept flame that blown larg flat ga tank imagin that almost work person quit happi eclips standard tank bag thing watch for number attach strap come and bagman strap tankbag and rear tank narrow fit not optim mark castl rock
rec.motorcycles	dog howland noc arc nasa gov curt howland write articl mrc ikkoku kan panda mrc ikkoku kan panda mark crispin write biker and dog lover biker such horrid reput dog thrust
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff jrlaf sgi msd lmsc lockhe laferrier wrote wonder law offic that read thi question pertain motorcycl and cop and don vehicl code your local station obviou thing that question not found place answer face face real live flesh cop your brother had friend had cousin who father cop etc don bother write you mind tell state municip you live law place you tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	hawk seat review put corbin seat hawk solo seat carri passeng for short distanc and stock seat longer voic squeak ride work rich sturg nswc carderock divis speak for and listen
rec.motorcycles	want advic for cylist articl apr hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write question danger ride exactli danger you hard and protect keep troubl mean know your limit keep your machin good shape and predict and make for stupid move that driver make deal fun stai aliv take consciou effort bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada jodi can sum succinctli add two thing stupid road design poor and deal for fun and brotherhood share live had feel wind hair imho binger binger binger hsh such thing attitud express corpor opinion boss will express
rec.motorcycles	dog articl apr ac ucalgari parr ac ucalgari charl parr write newsgroup rec motorcycl path usenet in cwru edu lerc nasa gov lerc nasa gov new uakron edu malgudi oar net zaphod mp ohio state edu sol ctr columbia edu destroy ubc unixg ubc kakwa uc ualberta ac ucalgari parr parr ac ucalgari charl parr subject dog messag apr ac ucalgari date tue apr gmt refer mrc ikkoku kan panda pntm cbnewsj att nntp post host ac ac ucalgari organ univers calgari alberta line articl pntm cbnewsj att car cbnewsj att charl roger write dog weigh max you can handl you presum thumb grappl and tear head sheesh even train attack dog match for human advantag thi recent discuss rec martial art human don advantag dog decept strong and bred for fight sort anoth dod
rec.motorcycles	newbi matt dear newbi advic read foe dai thi your sourc info kinda make glad that discov into ride possibl sound that eesh btw matt despit insult you destin face great move take msf will save your butt good luck erc dod
rec.motorcycles	krypto cabl cobra lock not gui can track post for name talk made claim that cobralink not adjust space each link teeth lock head notch each link lock point and thi not applic hard core thiev cart liquid nitrogen and oxi acetylen torch cobralink lot effect kryptonit cabl lock imho and initi appear effect relev bore joyrid nomin adept crack unsecur bike deterr long lock nomin function final notic that ride leather har boot and cobralink slung across bandoli btw crash rain dress thi and lock didn pulver vertebra cager give wider berth don hassl and tend avoid potenti inflammatori action stoplight love cobralink almost love pre honda dinosaur pavlovian drool reflex put lock bodi and can feel bike shake post wrong sang dod owner mail question weird handl bike opinion express not necessarili univers north carolina chapel hill campu offic for inform technolog experiment bulletin board servic internet launchpad unc edu
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl apr microsoft chrispi microsoft chri pirih write gener bike rider rais hand handlebar and wave easi wave and doder easili recogn special wave pai attent and you hold your left hand front you finger straight apart vase you us your hand you throttl lock stop bring your fingertip and thumb togeth touch and open back start posit you thi move your hand slowli left gracefulli and wave motion you imit squid propel underwat search food drink squid sexual orient squid ride lissa shoun netcom
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion ride passeng doesn depend type bike thing you want passeng not ergo ask advic reason doesn practic period you fine wouldn uniniti road that switch back and revers center uncrown roadwai not mention bdc and squid will that road ask for advic and even wasn meant read lee
rec.motorcycles	blow yuk yuk yuk ivan reid apr pst wibbl articl apr new columbia edu rob castro write you decid that windi ride even seagul walk ivan reid paul scherrer institut ivan cvax psi gsx you porsch pass dod you can make headwai into wind you hear dull boom nois hill wind you and you wfo care control will opposit effect nick mach biker dod concis oxford lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk apr gillian runci write mere femal found can big offens line asshol car driver found subtl and nastli ooop mean nasti back cut you wait till pull past you and gentli lean and bend aerial time that eventu snap base undetect for and bummer replac gillian dear gillian that such wickedli cool idea didn canada aerial antenna driver passeng area and sure give for trueli useabl piec inform heard long time and you mean mere femal thi get back take real gut mike maser dod squid rate pinetre sidnei can hopalonga twinfart yuka yuka excess list tridump mucho guzler burlei home thumpison bimotamoeba work mmaser siriu uvic joke month gai univers victoria indian chief new rec motorcycl answer can bum coupl buck
rec.motorcycles	dog car cbnewsj att charl roger write dog weigh max you can handl you presum thumb grappl and tear head sheesh even train attack dog match for human advantag thi recent discuss rec martial art human don advantag dog decept strong and bred for fight sort anoth dod relat trainer come that human advantag fact that dog will involuntarili regurgit and releas object that larg swallow told that attack dog ball hand fist and forc dog throat dog natur gag and releas and becom momentarili disori thi commonli happen human doctor and throat examin proof posit time dog disorient move wrap arm dog throat choke hold manner and constrict your dog laps into unconsci lack oxygen and halt blood flow final run wind local area dog and piss ooooooopsssss for second thought rec beatthelivingcrapoutofadog and not rec motorcycl till time mike maser dod squid rate pinetre sidnei can hopalonga twinfart yuka yuka excess list tridump mucho guzler burlei home thumpison bimotamoeba work mmaser siriu uvic joke month gai univers victoria indian chief new rec motorcycl answer can bum coupl buck
rec.motorcycles	put your helmet respons jerri lotto post not put your helmet your mirror risk damag pad insid major mirror breakag impact pavement law mandat that mirror protect helmet order place put helmet prefer clean footpeg hang chin guard hot pipe dod
rec.motorcycles	paint job articl mj zen sy uea mj sy uea write lisa alex lisa rowland write can recommend good place for price bike paint job prefer not essenti london area lisa rowland dream machin exampl work and pretti good midland can you expens toni kidson pgp kei request voic morgan tower cat had move mail order morgan road had top toni morgan demon bromlei machin tny cix compulink england honda dod compuserv
rec.motorcycles	bui bike etc articl inform dev inform michael seal write articl apr galaxi gov bclark galaxi gov write lot post wanna bui bike gsxr cbr fzr good bike learn etc can bui gsxr cbr fzr prob that you wrong newbi phone salesman that show newbi rememb correctli gsxr such thing cbr fzr such thing sport bike don version
rec.motorcycles	volvo attack privelg experi volvo attack thi weekend last line traffic that vehicl long ride groton side road sit shoulder killer volvo question brake light turn signal noth mph and cage front sec back cage pass volvo brain dead idiot wheel decid that doesn wait for pass and turn perpendicular across lane traffic that can turn brake effort not bone and horn effort wake bdi finish turn complet blank uncomprehend stare can rocket launcher for vfr dean dean cookson dcookson mitr org dod ama mitr corp burlington bedford kotnml kotb road shepherd and not stop vfr sam eliott road hog mtv bianchi limit
rec.motorcycles	counterst san hand articl clark bdrc clark bdrc richard clark write steer hand aren bar open budweis left hand camel cigarett feet allow lean and bike turn counterst counterst benchrac taller seat your feet aren floor rick wouldn recommend thi move mike beaverton can complain you awhil you not want counterst you sit drivewai sound rick fall bike mutter damn coulda sworn that told msf andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	bike for sale usa articl apr new columbia edu sc cunixb columbia edu sebastian sear write articl apr zorro tyngsboro zorro tyngsboro jeff derienzo write recent becom father twin don can afford bike and babi babi stai harlei xlhd hei wife bike that pretti uncal for smile harlei manhood feel challeng jeff derienzo you sell your bike and ride you stai home kid geez that tough choic andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	two beemer question folk happi rang mile gallon that mpg surprisingli bike real cruiser expect rough sweet backroad honei and can pretti anyplac mountain bike shaft effect torqu effect crankshaft opinion rev sit driveshaft not move and bike twist bit don ride fast shaft effect opinion buffet wind greater consequ question recommend for home made fair wind chest and perhap helmet for comfort highwai speed mph don want screw stabil block vision for trail ride luck two piec detach fair make plexigla run two light standard headlamp sidelamp mount crash bar illumin excel that full beam come level motor left side lamp beam linear that you bright streak illumin left and pick peripheri deer lurk etc combin headlamp high you can dai heard that bmw altern don crank shut sidelamp putter dirt low rpm thi embarass troubl start bike thing morn invari flood carb and read section paper and start thi zen thing hayn manual not circumst us gasolin alcohol addit yeah you folk due engin and carb eaten ethanol and methanol brand ga that addit dod asphaug hindmost lpl arizona edu kawi zephyr erik asphaug bmw
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli bradw newbridg brad warkentin write articl bethdc netcom bethd netcom beth dixon write beth true beth dixon bethd netcom yamaha excit girl dod yamaha spike garag rat fssnoc ducati ama ducati monza restor project kqspt can handl thi side derang top wait cotton pick minut dod rule section paragraph that multipl peopl can lai claim bike obviou ploi artifici increas size stabl silli boi you read rest that jibberish back and read rule question dai spike own ladi true class and breed definit woman ride tom hare head for record spike jointli own registr uhhh titl beth beth brought attent half heartedli lust for year had successfulli aviod bui ration that didn spend beth pipe pai for half beaten note that you lai claim conni sport ladi discrimin tast watch buddi fine ride beth love ride pillion conni true sport isn cup tea can side stand agre that fine ride bore mind wanta bradw newbridg sig plan clue dod bui that even loan you quarter bui clue concour sophist ladi tom dietrich sportster sport for sale dod spike garag rat ama queu for fssnoc two joust and gather big fun kspt bell cool rule sometim mail txd mkt lewi disclaim take respons for opinion preced thi
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl apr vax cit cornel edu xlyx vax cit cornel edu write wheeli motorcycl shaft drive mike terri virago yep yesterdai shafti vision mention that had pillon that help rotat bike wheeli result necessarili agress acceler manouv intersect damn san antonio cager tend bad driver take lot pre clutch dump rev action pass comment johnni ennex eng utsa edu
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack articl bong kfp slac mac slac stanford edu bong slac stanford edu eric bong write articl cbnew att nak cbnew att neil kirbi wrote work for lean dog modul throttl ankl ahead teeth second warm pipe firmli wedg shoulder turn face sidewai warm and mouth nose muzzl burn pipe bicycl techniqu emploi us frame mount tire pump fend dog attack brother had spent lot time practic bizzar trick megabuck micromass bike onc repel dog attack pick rear bike and smack dog side head rear wheel dog had idea hit and fled quit rapidli jump garbag can ramp don care thi motorcycl telephon work tire pump that almost unfair never dog that us phone blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	dog apr egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write articl adob cjackson adob curti jackson write write sheesh even train attack dog match for human advantag agre thi for chihuahua polic and militari don train doberman and shephard and us weapon easi for averag joe defeat barehand you oppos thumb dog teeth effect name for vision hear and smell you and like faster reflex you motorcycl paw roll and blow doesn even net access green mon thing weak area idiot respons dog rod cone not human and thi ey collect light lower light condit colour vision almost exist mean dog had built infra red vision arm forc strap missil pai quarter million for guidanc capabl dog net access mike maser dod squid rate pinetre sidnei can hopalonga twinfart yuka yuka excess list tridump mucho guzler burlei home thumpison bimotamoeba work mmaser siriu uvic joke month gai univers victoria indian chief new rec motorcycl answer can bum coupl buck
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each articl mdenni beryllium mdenni xerox matt denni write apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write notic kid wave biker reaction boi enthusiast wave and good wave kid that notic bike figur help futur sport don forget girl not quit year daughter excitedli point and motorcycl time see past work help that book show sir topham hatt chaffeur side car rig admit that parent figur notic afraid that kid will yell for associatign anti societ type can you convinc kid that somedai ride thing genet thing boi even and year boi magnet attract motorcycl virtaulli sort dismai thier mother genet thing human don touch hot pipe jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff articl ltgnt innfpq earth utexa edu mcguir utexa edu tommi marcu mcguir write articl apr dsd bgardner pebbl blain gardner write articl ltdv ainn earth utexa edu mcguir utexa edu tommi marcu mcguir write hei hell you mean that you suck god express opinion carri gun and not wear helmet goddamn you stand for stupid give scale analysi and hint delet mon overreact worth coupl point not mention bit condemn everth flame sequitur gun and helmet proper flourish nope flame interest gun helmet wallpap person opinion that two type good flame trade qualiti sens you mention for heat thi surpris and correctli contend entertain not rec motoland easili amus blain elder superflam peak depth you prefer that sort incendiari backdrop award your falter bic purest act chariti true that flame post not mention habitu veloc friend dinner entertain flair and short weak thi type flame that can easili point becom trite and bore your audienc thousand similarli uninspir attempt thi arena that case trite bore threshold drift you set will eventu not type flame you glorifi blah blah blah summari blain your score for that flame incorrect wunder flame weak you point not necessarili weak and your suggest correct not applic you can yank flame blain internet port can close you posit lectur grasshopp you couldn outrun tenni ball flatul dog stapl your posterior and bet you and your motorcycl lean turn for you yawn you slip scale each success attempt embarrass watch you not waco you chuck roger car torrei att
rec.motorcycles	kinder gentler bmw mail list joe rider cactu org joe senner write bmw mail list sinc bike list and limit bike list charter gear rider emphas road bike numer peopl list bmw twin usual conting aspir boxer talk main list subscrib digest version run messg dai technic chatter and flame subscript can had mail text messag send command subscrib bmw request halfdom for main list and bmw digest request haldfom for digest version your address will us determin you will receiv mail shame split boxer rider list exist list fail meet reader bob pasker rbp netcom
rec.motorcycles	der whassa deltabox new dtc jjb dtc jim brewer write articl kxal izc ccu umanitoba klinger ccu umanitoba jorg klinger write beleiv call dentabox frame noth putti and paint won fix thi ride gsxr gutsi refer propens dent spill prespil work art jorg klinger gsxr you arch eng servic lost horizon umanitoba man embalm anonym squidonk
rec.motorcycles	ride frank marvin contex frank perdicaro write wrong sat feet big put foot heavi mind quickli cindi back back hard seat time larg hawk seat bike control idl side road heavi mid dry that major drawback rpm second gear weight dissappear even can you tourqu monster test drive sold bike lot bite anywher gear bike mile odomet slipperi tire and pad that you tryth ab tc version cindi difficulti speed gear gear pur top gear thi thing low rpm grunt that hawk lane experi big heft requir move thi thing respond wallow complaint fair fairli quiet helmet buffet market fair windshield for rais bubbl inch head hurt bike trivial top gear car pass mph effortless smooth smooth smooth not sound remind pleasant thi essenc bike move throttl and itr acceler gear anywher anytim frequent find dod min casual pass maneuv jump caus impress brake hill revers camber twice revers radiu decreas radiu turn real squeez need front binder thi function weight you aggres brake squez test cycl world and expert rider stop faster compar model bmw and yamaha even extra weight and ga section tight urban work thi section show weight clam shack you counterst for turn and movement short classic pothol wiggl forget lean into turn counterst into turn and respond nice half onramp yank cindi wrist singal for hold tight head check left time find redlin second gear good shove fourth see dod speed short shift into top cop and light traffic not cross into dod zone bike had mile high effort lane wide sweep turn time wick buffet threat pull seat and stai comfort wind and steer look find mph not bad for tour faster hate bui thi bike your short break period thread car edg concret pad front heavi effort for cindi and put thing center stand that us side stand side minut not true side stand design for weight and will hold bike nice dirt easili bike center stand step stand pull bike demo opinion heavi put diet smooth comfort notic dod speed bui for list for bike left over for love mine and haven found for rememb you year unlimit mileag warranti
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff articl athena uga edu ahatch athena uga edu allan hatcher write lurk for long time announc enemi enemi that happen ride arrest red vfr feel that you not enemi doubt dickhead cop dickhead biker even you you will give you benefit doubt biker can speak for entir dod thi hei gui free ride georgia dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire concour mmmmmmmmmm beat you dave ring ding woop you never learn ama dod cog chicago beth bruiser dixon
rec.motorcycles	counterst san hand articl apr cornel edu karr cornel edu david karr write articl gbnvgw quantum qnx dagibb quantum qnx david gibb write even steer hand you quit similar counterst basic turn left you quick wiggl bike caus counteract lean occur left thi sound suspici black magic quick wiggl you mean that handlebar turn turn left input steer mechan that make thi happen absenc shove shove bore bike tourer can you steer san han push your bodi side you want lean you want turn left you push your bodi left thi you push and thing push ground bike appl gui wozniak that churchil that ground will push you back you push left push ground and ground push back left that push wheel rear wheel doesn care you bear problem spagthorp dragonfli had revolutionari counterst contra shaft drive rear end front wheel trail ground push front wheel left contact patch trail will wheel turn hei hand counter steer dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire concour mmmmmmmmmm beat you dave ring ding woop you never learn ama dod cog chicago beth bruiser dixon
rec.motorcycles	kinder gentler bmw mail list had motorcycl new server reject hesh bob pasker rbp netcom wrote shame split boxer rider list exist list fail meet reader you presum you need split list implic your split plain bmw list wouldn meet rider for sake not forc split issu chang charter and renam your list bmw bmw that make happi you particip thi and joe wouldn burden hesh
rec.motorcycles	squid and dealer kevin stell kstell cbnewsl att wrote squid felt embarass thi point motorcyclist felt ey cage wit thi displai glanc dealer lot and damn two wheel needless friend felt uncomfort and left you express your embarrass owner don blame you for embarrass feel that behaviour sale staff and appar enjoy such behaviour cost sale and sale will turn frustrat and ride peacefulli clear anger hope that cop home open mind and doesn associ sound good enjoi btw can afford bike can merf
rec.motorcycles	death stroke die zebe johnston zebe wattl itd adelaid edu wrote for read thi rev idl that water fuel accept reaason sound pilot circuit lean clog don water problem thi appar oil pump job and plenti oil seiz you chanc coast stuck two stroke you substanti lubric you give bike ga lean pilot that stuck btw motor had rebuilt left adelaid had mile blew rebuilt had seiz time and look that seizur had happen low mileag hone mark bore rebuild consist total tear piston ring small end bear and gearbox bear big end and rod judg idea folk you mention aftermarket carb delet text that your problem zebe johnston dod you don italian motorcycl merfman
rec.motorcycles	blow yuk yuk yuk never experienc wind sever physic preclud oper motorcycl matter decid whether aggrav troubl worth thi depend your circumst and person disposit and skill you haven can danger take get us read list brad thone system consult system servic enterpris loui wuvmd wustl edu wuvmd bitnet
rec.motorcycles	hasti speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer wrote randi megatek randi davi write speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write jnmoyn lbl gov jean noel moyn write dwi stand for thought dui for drive influenc stand for drive intox beleiv dwi mean drive impair intox state live thi chang louisiana girl court and won case claim stone pot not intox liquor can impari necessarili impair liquor drug not sleep total moron can impair etc surpris thi hook perhap dwi lousiana confin liquor let dui vari state state oper vehicl greater percentag alcohol your bloodstream can drop thi and back ask green getabik tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	traffic moron ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau wrote nmm nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen nmm subject act front traffic jerk nmm dai rain cat and dog therefor nmm speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw nmm drive meter for meter and red light nmm calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll nmm window and told total idiot and reason nmm thing nmm nmm niel mikkel sound great real bdi cager tailgat found that effect strategi flash brake light pump pedal you will bit free plai your brake pedal thi that even brain dead idiot can discern that flash red light directli front mean that wrong sometim sometim bdi cager move back hyperagress asshol move closer testosteron stimul behavior kinda wave red flag bull you can move and jerk noth tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	type spesif vfr etc let not forget sport tour honda
rec.motorcycles	windi dai robert castro rdc cunixf columbia edu write you decid that windi ride you blown ride your bike your drive home windi ride check nearbi tree for wind strength and badli affect wind alan alan duncan dept comput scienc ducati edinburgh univers scotland
rec.motorcycles	moa member anoth letter read light last letter post jeff brodi concer crap that moa folk not dissemin inform that receiv bad mouth thought that post thi yesterdai thi board member robert higdon moa pre chich mors thi not word gui april cecil king nomin statement dear chick problem elect for presid moa thi year cecil king nomin statement appear owner new word twice that permit law pertin part rule state each candid biographi and posit statement limit combin total word nomin committ cut afaft word biographi and posit statement exceed thi length nominationg committ not task had cecil statement cut requir conclud approxim word undertid sic second paragraph commenc posit statement result cecil obtain view grossli unfair advantag candid for presid thi not taint elect for that offic make mockeri process your advis board immedi step you intend rectifi thi caricatur fair elect parenthet your privat correspond appreci that tou call asshol you remind letter recipi that public such comment almost guarante woeful consequ kind regard remain robert higdon moa er you read for trust you cecil king and that editor befor don douglass and pre candid you draw your conclus regard craig vechorik bmw moa ambassador bmw vintag bulletin tech editor dod real bmw two wheel polit correct statement
rec.motorcycles	insur cbr hei roughest time get compani cover bike detail and singl ride clean record homeown rider accor compani not member msf ama cbr mile temp plate screamin bitch ride can you idea can privat email lower nois net mrr cwru edu good mail address hear can road advanc mark weather leather hot metal and oil scent countri air sunlight chrome blur landscap nerv awar red barchetta strain limit machin and man
rec.motorcycles	maxima chain wax and mail order articl apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write articl apr ac ucalgari parr ac ucalgari charl parr write bought miracl spoog chain lube wheel clean vfr goddamn competit accessori hasn mail order hell two week and order pretti bizzar stuff clear face sheild and can chain wax bastard for worth can dai chaparr that up ground ymmv stuff work and doesn attract grundg blue gave acid test full dai worth break quadrac paddl tire sand dune wet stickei will coat sand end dai chain look pretti clean mail order chaparr stock and can you stock long will back order not dai competit accessori week two deliv motorcycl accessori warehous take week two and bui boot last week don stock maw cheaper chaparr alpinestar tech boot mondai hope end week ask maw complet unreason question you stock convers thi you boot stock you want pai visa mastercard want you stock comput doesn show call distribut find you not don you understand call distribut find stock not can you yea call back hour and for phil hour phil isn mike check and call back half hour half hour mike isn left note that end month week screw buck isn worth hassl call chaparr and ask had stock ooh alpinestar not hard stock check size size size blue white grai white black black thi noon mondai arriv thursdai morn onc dai up ground chaparr not complet maw lower price prepar wait and market for sand tire and atv stuff scorcher good outfit friendli fast had tire want stock and cheaper chaparr blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	your opinion and mean articl apr bnr mbeav bnr write you advic and wuit you whine flame brain and can spell edu hope you not student duke you wast your tuition beav mike beavington dod sabr mbeav bnr employ idea talk ooooooh complain spell hurt not student alumnu and employe can monei back grub bnr huh hope you not perman wast benefit you pthptptphhph andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	daytona articl rtaraz apr bigwpi wpi edu rtaraz bigwpi wpi edu ramin taraz write watch daytona race tnn boi for peopl yamaha lot faster kawi last stretch yami and left kawi dust kawi rider and totali disappoint kawi wasn that lawson owo faster you watch tape russel had major backmark problem get bank doesn matter bike you you lose your drive your hose two bike almost ident fast check qualifi time
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion articl mj zen sy uea mj sy uea mike sixsmith write ride sooner pillion hang bike find that weight can move and that can upset balanc bike pillion hold grabrail good don hang violent acceler take place hmmmmn don you ride your sweetheart tuba irwin honk computrac richardson irwin cmptrc lonestar org dod
rec.motorcycles	two beemer question articl apr organpip uug arizona edu asphaug lpl arizona edu erik asphaug write folk happi rang mile gallon that mpg surprisingli bike real cruiser expect rough sweet backroad honei and can pretti anyplac mountain bike shaft effect torqu effect crankshaft opinion rev sit driveshaft not move and bike twist bit don ride fast shaft effect opinion not start anoth shaft effect discuss twist you feel rev sit due larger fly wheel that bmw bike dunno us you whack throttl stop light rock bike snip snip run two light standard headlamp sidelamp mount crash bar illumin excel that full beam come level motor left side lamp beam linear that you bright streak illumin left and pick peripheri deer lurk etc combin headlamp high you can dai heard that bmw altern don crank shut sidelamp putter dirt low rpm post you come conclus thi think put light each cylind guard and wonder whether switch light time rpm kawi zephyr erik asphaug thi wanna sit and bui you drink somedai templ dog sea bass sear sc cunixb columbia edu dod stanlei yamaha bmw toyota runner nyc
rec.motorcycles	maxima chain wax articl itu new ysu edu yfn ysu edu write previou articl txd esd tom dietrich parr ac ucalgari charl parr write bought miracl spoog chain lube wheel clean miracl maxima chain wax not lube and stai suppos swear can ride faster not lube your chain make you rider and attract member oppos sex and smarter and work bike toni toni kidson pgp kei request voic morgan tower cat had move mail order morgan road had top toni morgan demon bromlei machin tny cix compulink england honda dod compuserv
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack articl apr dsd bgardner bambam blain gardner write articl bong kfp slac mac slac stanford edu bong slac stanford edu eric bong write articl cbnew att nak cbnew att neil kirbi wrote bicycl techniqu emploi us frame mount tire pump fend dog attack bayonet factori scabbard swedish mouser mount handlebar zuki that blade and long arm quit you dod technician speed not student stolen taglin hei you don naahh
rec.motorcycles	want polic offic answer post articl csundh ursa csundh ursa calvin edu charl sundheim write vike iastat edu dan sorenson write and cop heh attitud stop speak gui reciev verbal warn for mph laugh shreveport back ride purpl water buffalo jump intersect front cop wait for light side street hidden bui build corner and didn till airborn middl intersect park had helment and liscenc turn corner chew ass and will admit squidli thing jump intersect that cop nail find that you polit respectful and honest will normali you lot stuff shock mount fold dai guess deserv that dod technician speed not student stolen taglin hei you don naahh
rec.motorcycles	rider join group articl apr pacbel jscosta srv pacbel jon costa write ride group gener speak peopl mind anoth rider tag had distinct feel not tag group last weekend yer ride and friend time introduc your earliest opportun and mind rid you gui dod technician speed not student stolen taglin hei you don naahh
rec.motorcycles	bmw heat grip bergman panix mark bergman write you bmw heat handgrip comfort transmit lot vibrat compar stock grip foam grip don grip look into get understand that grip standard european style grip come standard bike etc understand that heater resid insid bar suspect reduc vibrat provid bar end mass don wouldn work style foam grip fact that foam deterior hard beliv fine degre texa summer don you can save your flame joe senner joe rider cactu org bmw mail list bmw rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	windi dai articl xuqm dxu dc amd dc alan duncan write robert castro rdc cunixf columbia edu write you decid that windi ride handlebar mount windshield windi dai fun windi hell for week and plai hell steer ride bitch lot dod technician speed not student stolen taglin hei you don naahh
rec.motorcycles	ain for articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write confus that surpris ask for copi faq mail not kotfaq wonder proper responc you post email request proper attribut newsgroup request becom matter rec moto public record and warrant ceremoni gang faqe glad ride safe cliff weston dod seca tem thi bike excel condit work glen crash stone
rec.motorcycles	mail order respons time order time competit accesori and ussual dai deliveri onc had backord card two week dai satisfi and life rich sturg nswc carderock divis speak for and listen
rec.motorcycles	bmw heat grip articl rider joe rider cactu org joe senner write bergman panix mark bergman write you bmw heat handgrip comfort transmit lot vibrat compar stock grip foam grip don grip look into get understand that grip standard european style grip come standard bike etc understand that heater resid insid bar suspect reduc vibrat provid bar end mass don wouldn work style foam grip fact that foam deterior hard beliv fine degre texa summer onc sold heat motorcycl grip mail order aftermarket replac grip that had heat element mlded into grip wire ran bar grip switch and finali batteri cycl magazin test year ago and like dunno made check snowmobil racer dod technician speed not student umop apisdn
rec.motorcycles	blow yuk yuk yuk long time back month similar question ask suggest addit list put your windward knee bike and brad thone system consult system servic enterpris loui wuvmd wustl edu wuvmd bitnet
rec.motorcycles	time worst time articl nujinncti gap caltech edu ridgwai cco caltech edu alex ridgwai write paulb harlei tti paul blumstein write problem turn screw unscrew insid mikuni carb hear that screw tight bike never thought that had that screw insid carb roadsid fixabl and time gee figur that loos screw rider that like problem you check for that time that true screw loos thi rider for quit time had into account russian roulett fun time paul blumstein paulb harlei tti dod abat ama hog doh laa marc arrl platypu qrp arpci naswa lwca rcma cala transact technolog inc santa monica
rec.motorcycles	adjust tappit articl jcn lactos rice edu jcn rice edu write and speak shim clearanc valv smaller us thinner shim valv seat wear toni toni kidson pgp kei request voic morgan tower cat had move mail order morgan road had top toni morgan demon bromlei machin tny cix compulink england honda dod compuserv
rec.motorcycles	owner tankbag suggest want articl apr mnemosyn edu mwallac nyx edu mark wallac write bgardner pebbl blain gardner write articl apr ncsu edu martenm chess ncsu edu mar marten write for tank bag and wonder you follow owner make suggest and larg flat ga tank imagin that almost work person quit happi eclips standard tank bag thing watch for number attach strap come and bagman strap tankbag and rear tank narrow fit not optim good point overlook that eclips point mount rear and front and stabl har that mount side tank and that real problem blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion articl mj zen sy uea mj sy uea mike sixsmith write lemai netcom laura lemai write lotsa stuff delet switch your hand guardrail stretch your shoulder and squeez your thigh you your rider you guard rail isn safe hold your rider hmmmm that side pond want pillion hang rider grabrail gui and pillion femal reason idea you passeng weight comfort posit for passeng and stabl configur come into hold grab rail great idea for brake you don want pillion slide forward into you don find work david dagibb qnx
rec.motorcycles	stori respect articl apr pacesett lynn pacesett lynn hall write back annual southern california harlei dealer associ run colorado river citi lauglin nevada that peopl can enjoi asshol you want treat respect you treat properti and town respect year ago annual fly experiment aircraft associ eaa oshkosh wisconsin approxim peopl attend not piec litter anywher consider place trash belong problem fun rais hell etc consider and respect for critic work each not nuditi fine loud nois fine parti night fine place and time not trampl right and bitch don treat god michael menard you wasn even respond thi typic anti parti attitud messag trash reason not dipsi dumpster for massiv crowd oatman wasn prepar for vast number peopl that show btw michael oatman place time call run you didn read comment that love and talk merchant and townspeopl merchant that didn want shop close mention that left trash pick aluminum sell crew assign task bottom line want back thi action that oatman typic predominatli harlei run innoc fun sinc enjoi typic harlei fun run your ey that make asshol admit asshol time net friend asshol lyric song you want dime call that care appear differ opinion you big pictur you pass judgement annual that you lynn hall no bro
rec.motorcycles	dog articl apr ac ucalgari parr ac ucalgari charl parr write articl pntm cbnewsj att car cbnewsj att charl roger write thi tactic depend for effect dog conform psycholog norm that not appli dog success won work charli manson dog that stupid larg irish setter taught thi yard appar territori dai plai game game kill angri neighbor can dispens terribl punish dog weigh max you can handl you presum thumb grappl and tear head sheesh even train attack dog match for human advantag you worri attack dog carri spot remov you russian roulett fun time paul blumstein paulb harlei tti dod abat ama hog doh laa marc arrl platypu qrp arpci naswa lwca rcma cala transact technolog inc santa monica
rec.motorcycles	your opinion and mean articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write view drunk drive carri mandatori prison sentenc traffic offens not public fund issu genuin safeti issu you bring subject rec moto admit caught dwi and for sympathi consequ don expect peopl respond warm wish dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire concour mmmmmmmmmm beat you dave ring ding woop you never learn ama dod cog chicago beth bruiser dixon not drive for year close jail and btw hell for sympathi ask insur not life fwiw honest thi group that read thi had dwi andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	kinder gentler bmw mail list rbp netcom bob pasker write shame split boxer rider list exist list fail meet reader you mention bike made bmw list fact you your boxer talk your list appear cater boxer that great list cater bmw restrict you that subscript count hour initi post list made bed that for bmw list oppos boxer list motiv for set bmw list earlier post announc your boxer list didn fit piss each list back regular net nois and read respect list joe senner joe rider cactu org bmw mail list bmw rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	bond cage cop akellei oracl alyn kellei write wave policeman happi policeman nice policeman experienc thi phenomenon bless cop good mood insert mild sarcasm alyn dod seca not wouldn trade time close friend pull cuss and shout and final verbal warn exchang for wave smile you art sir sir sir you sir arturo informix
rec.motorcycles	moa member anoth letter read notic that thi happen sinc chri perez gift membership for rec motorcycl beemer club whiner thi confus whiner connect blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	kinder gentler bmw mail list hesh cup chri steinbron write had motorcycl new server reject hesh bob pasker rbp netcom wrote shame split boxer rider list exist list fail meet reader you presum you need split list implic your split plain bmw list wouldn meet rider good point list start extens shootout list that name sinc incept boxer interest folk join and convers not gear specif topic for sake not forc split issu chang charter and renam your list bmw bmw that make happi rais expand not expand that question question list mix feel list open bounc line and gener agreement that boxer relat stuff almost subscrib bike and owner thi point main interest for list preserv peac and comraderi time provid wide access list fairli technic thi kind that kind question bmw bash bike bash bmw mfg piec shit bash such post consent govern proscrib simpl name chang make signific differ net boxer owner not stand progress hesh turn question you not join list you felt your boxer exclud bob pasker rbp netcom
rec.motorcycles	dog bike articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write articl ccu umanitoba klinger ccu umanitoba jorg klinger write larg fart dog and made real effort train flatul will don feed break thi and worri chase thing you can you wait long not put effort into dog not us fart time make notic smell doesn bother and kick somewhat liter realiz that shoudln not sort that scene minist studi secretari let fly and startl dog run room minist explain time mr soandso break wind beat dog jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	for movi bike articl apr virginia edu cd virginia edu christoph dougla saadi write billi jack wild smokei and bandit jerri reed run truck motorcycl gang bike and video tape documentari hell angel found rental store onc don forget robert blake electra glide blue you full dress harlei plai dirt bike and you count smokei and bandit you darn includ pee wee big adventur jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	maxima chain wax previou articl txd esd tom dietrich parr ac ucalgari charl parr write bought miracl spoog chain lube wheel clean miracl maxima chain wax not lube and stai suppos swear can ride faster not lube your chain make you rider and attract member oppos sex and smarter and dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
rec.motorcycles	squid riceburn respect previou articl serafin epcot spdc mike serafin poser squid gui yesterdai home similar attir san jacket april texa ride amaz and thought california april dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli wheeli motorcycl shaft drive owner sabr shafti can answer person experi aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee chuck smyth dod
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl apr newbridg bradw newbridg brad warkentin write articl bethdc netcom bethd netcom beth dixon write beth true beth dixon bethd netcom yamaha spike garag rat fssnoc wait cotton pick minut dod rule section paragraph that multipl peopl can lai claim bike obviou ploi artifici increas size stabl question dai spike own ladi true class and breed definit woman ride tom hare head spike own tom and purchas price and split cost need part registr etc name pink slip note that you lai claim conni sport ladi discrimin tast cover insur ride harlei give work clutch can bare clutch lever move hand stand bike sport distinct bike concour favorit mine pillion easi mile that bike last year feet good ground onc for ride pilot pillion fit concour bui imho sport tourer made not upset had settl for ducati tour bike bore mind wanta you beth beth true beth dixon bethd netcom yamaha excit girl dod yamaha spike garag rat fssnoc ducati ama ducati monza restor project kqspt can handl thi side derang top
rec.motorcycles	back breaker hit articl menudo edu ind rosi edu write anoth list thi felt helpless sit light car length car wise decsion suddenli hear screech tire dart ey mirror and realiz moroon fly panic pop clutch and stall bike luckili gui stop foot rear wheel understand you theoret stop car can you actual avoid such incid suggest automat sit old winter light heard screech manag dart into left turn lane slide jetta wound half and half park car besid never had occas bike imagin that even easier you slip besid car front give gander mirror light will give you time clutch smoothli you notic troubl wait for screech bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	hasti rec motorcycl egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write drive impar for prosecut driver influenc varieti drug sudaf cold medicin jeff deenei dod nctr shamu jld hpfcla ama cohvco llamaha sound fresh rain run splash roof remind sound urin splash into filthi texaco latrin jack handei
rec.motorcycles	blow yuk yuk yuk rec motorcycl rdc cunixf columbia edu robert castro write you decid that windi ride bug splat side helmet faceshield semi side downwind ditch can road for tumblewe roll past airborn sand gravel sandblast paint job happen onc middl wonder wyldom gust mph cheer vlj
rec.motorcycles	back breaker hit articl menudo edu ind rosi edu write understand you theoret stop car can you actual avoid such incid suggest you had your mirror you gui come you heard screech tire you stop light stop that you space front you and quick easi escap rout lane into crosswalk drivewai decid want plow into you bike clutch coupl car stop you you don wast second you don gear you move watch your mirror that situat hazard you avoid come you sipd msf geek speak isn for you move and you like panic and stall bike you time prepar gui tire lock you you bejeezu scare you feel quickli rise dread sudden jolt rai shea unisql inc unisql rai utexa edu dod team twinki hawk
rec.motorcycles	bmw heat grip orat wild abandon prang nickel uc indiana edu henri prang offer grip wonder thing winter and problem summer vibrat bmw don vibrat that agre henri grip nice winter and aren notic normal grip summer complaint that low set thi complain review offici and unoffici that talk grip high set high for us lightweight summer glove thing bit nippi sinc low doesn produc notic effect end turn grip and temperatur thi gener isn problem wear thicker winter glove ask dealer fix receiv consol pat back and sincer apolog for poor design told work suppos vibrat that ride bmw twin you can bare engin fire not time smoother silk sheet ken wallich wallich ncd ken wallich kmw org decwrl vixi amber ken
rec.motorcycles	put your helmet articl uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau write anoth good place for your helmet your mirror kid you not you typic standard bike fairli averag mirror that screw into your handlebar your helmet fit your mirror and fairli stabl care that you not weight helmet rest mirror will depress foam liner helmet that not kind foam that bounc back foam rubber purpos life absorb energi impact compress your noggin your mirror compress that energi absorb capac left cushon your noggin crash found handlebar good spot sidestand hang chinbar face balanc across grip and brake lever such that weight helmet doesn compress chinbar foam thi challang open face helmet green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	point for helmet law point for articl prcr prc terri prcr prc terri cunningham write law book propos that ban motorcycl place that want you problem ban place you don want not heard discuss motorcycl person read popular movement countri state that motorcycl talk insur industri drink talk mom booz requir thing public misinform and misunderstand you state you and post thi correct situat heard dod sinc hit teen found that terribl wrong attitud adust blah blah blah fortun grew nah you complac that long your quarter acr safe you your tax deduct and act govern intrud direct and obviou into your dai dai life you don give shit green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die articl agat berkelei edu robinson cogsci berkelei edu michael robinson write articl quaq sixgun east sun egreen east sun write articl cbnewsm att shz mare att keeper tude write don you mean motorcyclist green ninjait drink last night biker perfectli reason explan yep green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl deh synopt noemi synopt noemi berri write guess you turn hors you want and plan your turn and jump rider give refin smooth input beast lot mainten leather cool sound familiar black trueli indigin america finest produc gear expens and you never volvo hit idiot intention rear front half ground cool poser don ride rain danger ic loud annoi and chrome dumb yep sound familiar green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl zen sy uea mj sy uea mike sixsmith write that argu gyroscop etc throughli understand techniqu counterst includ that counterst corner decreas radiu corner thi thing disagre agre disagre offici line doubt that front brake appli rear brake idea that you avoid lock rear weight transfer take place that offici line taught rider educ class you refer that don teach counterst question qualiti class offici line msf curricula describ maximum brake achiev appli brake equal weight distribut nomin even and tire equal normal forc and eas rear prevent lock and increas brake front traction front due increas normal forc due weight shift offici line you taught ineffect face appli rear brake front not take advantag traction rear time and halv brake power front time brake tire begin slide useless advic newbi and slide tire find that inform develop brake techniqu that brake and weight shift develop you don slide tyre you know whether you achiev maximum brake not not suggest that you aim brake hard you possibl can you want find limit machin you not necessarili true chirp tire impend lockup surfac and serv good guid newbi maximum brake agre that total lock front occasion make rider manuv save for experienc rider you outrigg bike code us us case for maximum brake suggest you aim wheel point slide you exactli you suggest true point view teach ride skill thi discuss start wheel point slide useless inform you teach techniqu strategi achiev thi green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	counterst san hand articl bdrc clark bdrc richard clark write steer hand aren bar open budweis left hand camel cigarett feet allow lean and bike turn counterst counterst method for lean bike anoth method lean onc lean bike turn green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl wr wslack wr wslack bill slack write post shafti can wheeli mike impos due shaft effect centripit effect rotat shaft counteract tendenc for front wheel lift ground good point john buddi mine told that thing had bmw dump clutch rpm hei ito nly rev and you folk shaft doesn diddleysquatpoop can front wheel ground ferchrissak you bounc front not wheeli shaft effect unload rear susspens and effectivli load front thi shaft bike acceler start scrape corner laz
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl moustic lbl gov jnmoyn lbl gov jean noel moyn write dwi stand for thought dui for drive influenc stand for drive impar for prosecut driver influenc varieti drug green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write recent last year decid that due fact constantli peopl road drunk drive will rais awar make stricter law and such toughest law for dwi not necessarili increas amount awar kill highwai mean made differ sentenc automat revoc your licens for year not toughtest law absolut sens humor respect drive law put you jail and sell your child into slaveri for pass school bu bill breez hous lower intoxif level face stiff opposit senat recent highwai patrol opposit senat and gave shot and hit put dodg cone fail and will chang vote result for bizarr reason state govern veto power legisl come state congress opinion matter moot green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	stori articl apr pacesett lynn pacesett lynn hall write back annual southern california harlei dealer associ run colorado river citi lauglin nevada aka lauglin run can trash hate can bite
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion never ridden pillion recent had excel experi passeng dave edmondson pilot london found that upset bike rode pilot that look shoulder and anticip hold hard for brake acceler insid shoulder corner and move leav dave manag and bike bike and luggag hard acceler can quit unnerv feel spit back hard fight similarli held grab handl tightli dave need brake not mash pulp lot bigger reach and push tank awkward and make even harder for manag rare occas carri passeng absolut refus carri not properli accout for ride that helmet jacket glove stout pant and shoe boot minimum not respons provid thi gear respons requir want ride and agre earlier poster you not had experi carri passeng and you not carri passeng gentler ride durat you head difficult road mine hamilton that nasti place find troubl godfrei digiorgi ramarren appl dod ama rule never sell ducati street find rule obei rule for thing ducati cinelli toyota krup nikon soni appl telebit
rec.motorcycles	type spesif vfr etc articl srgenprp frankb sad frank ball write vidar olaf solberg vidaro dhhalden wrote can letter spesif motorcycl model mean street bike parallel twin inlin cylind engin frank ball frankb sad work hmmm bike singl
rec.motorcycles	squid and dealer articl vxh auv cbnewsl att kstell cbnewsl att kevin stell write stuff chop part that concern and shop personel that not busi custom back member fire ride and obligatori reve beast thi point decid rubber katana deposit drive squid thought appal that salesdroid manag not condon thi behavior encourg point bet long and eg pull wheeli rode busi street rush hour girl that ride pillion anoth bike hormon thi displai and urg pilot quickli catch make kerker heard felt you gotta understand salesdroid you call thi burn lotsa tire make lotsa monei knew stupid you stop burn season worth tire squid bui metzel good low profil tire yep droid sneaki bastard regard ted univers toronto comput engin powerusersgroupchairman fzr take ride friend dod
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each jlevin hydro jodi levin write drive cage wave biker urg never yeah time nice spring summer dai roll window and drive for bike bike motor opposit direct stick arm and arm feel million buck thi thing cyclist problem ing cyclist hand lane hafta roll window and back thought regard ted univers toronto comput engin powerusersgroupchairman fzr take ride friend dod
rec.motorcycles	bike honda ascot articl contex contex frank marvin contex frank perdicaro fun want bui wait year bought hawk friend owner cycl shop andov bought year cost you not pai for hear can fit front end interceptor and great brake sound fun dude thi forum that trick second hand bike warn that fine mile good beginn bike reason seat posit power you and not scare bejeeb you tip and easi pick don simpl mainten had mine for year and haven had problem bought us for mile last week neighborhood stop whether thought good beginn bike comfort and power blah blah blah found us for mile reall trick mod heard front end hurrican and slide thi gui campaign two ascot so race pretti onc you strip starter light and assort street paraphernalia pretti fast and light bike andrew coll esv psuvm bitnet esv psuvm psu edu
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion irwin cmptrc lonestar org irwin arnstein write articl mj zen sy uea mj sy uea mike sixsmith write ride sooner pillion hang bike find that weight can move and that can upset balanc bike pillion hold grabrail good don hang violent acceler take place hmmmmn don you ride your sweetheart dream
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli hei nick bounc postmast bnr that never heard user npet you sort gui toni toni kidson pgp kei request voic morgan tower cat had move mail order morgan road had top toni morgan demon bromlei machin tny cix compulink england honda dod compuserv
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl apr megatek randi megatek write you and chang law physic number us bandi shaft drive order effici chain drive closer that thi make chain drive effici hmmmmm maintain chain run oil rubber ring friction loss reach effici averag open dust ring motorcycl chain difficult job make effici toni toni kidson pgp kei request voic morgan tower cat had move mail order morgan road had top toni morgan demon bromlei machin tny cix compulink england honda dod compuserv
rec.motorcycles	back breaker hit articl menudo edu ind rosi edu write bike luckili gui stop foot rear wheel understand you theoret stop car can you actual avoid such incid suggest drove into that thi countri hopefulli lose licenc avoid simpl don stop cage stop besid front that act buffer toni toni kidson pgp kei request voic morgan tower cat had move mail order morgan road had top toni morgan demon bromlei machin tny cix compulink england honda dod compuserv
rec.motorcycles	back breaker hit you such brain dead idiot drive toni toni kidson pgp kei request voic morgan tower cat had move mail order morgan road had top toni morgan demon bromlei machin tny cix compulink england honda dod compuserv
rec.motorcycles	not permen scratch wax dull finish minor scrath passnger fianc bandit hip pack rub tail and left nasti dull finish and teeni scratch rid buff wax advanc cathi cathi saum andrew cmu edu neglei av yamaha seca pgh custom wooden tank studio mustang dod supercalifragilisticexpealidoti
rec.motorcycles	kinder gentler bmw mail list joe you felt piss your list disparag intend and interest that made you feel that not suggest that your list superfl that will not serv not boxer conting split net for list bob pasker rbp netcom
rec.motorcycles	hasti jnmoyn moustic lbl gov jnmoyn lbl gov jean noel moyn write hold second and clarifi for dwi stand for thought dui for drive influenc stand for jnm iowa owi oper influenc and omvi oper motor vehicl influenc gov chang omvi that peopl motor boat charg drunk drive eerik villberg peopl for eerik iastat edu eat harri street tasti am anim
rec.motorcycles	back breaker hit articl apr hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write articl menudo edu ind rosi edu write anoth list thi felt helpless sit light car length car wise decsion suddenli hear screech tire dart ey mirror and realiz moroon fly panic pop clutch and stall bike luckili gui stop foot rear wheel understand you theoret stop car can you actual avoid such incid suggest anoth tip make you side lane thi you quicker escap rout jeff goss
rec.motorcycles	for movi bike articl dpd dc qmw david dc qmw dave edmondson write charl sundheim csundh ursa calvin edu wrote folk assembl info for film critic class final project bout big fau and halsei robert redford and that gui that bonni clyde good flick imho michael michael nelson cbr internet nelson seahunt imat dod
rec.motorcycles	max handl request jearl tekig pen tek jeffrei david earl wrote ntuvax ntu write can handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl gui omrra race school last weekend number plate max didn practic lap push frame hard and drove into guard rail back straight portland intern racewai for max max handl ferget btw rider consciou and semi coher ambul cart that hate pick injur hope not semi coher sound good descript show track vmax place tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die egreen east sun green pixel cruncher wrote shz mare att keeper tude write egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write sound ludicr for biker advoc restrict bike bike forum don you mean motorcyclist hmmmmmmmmm can read thi two wai gotabik motorcyclist alcohol onc you alcohol you alcohol that friend posit tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	bmw boxer karr cornel edu david karr wrote mj sy uea mike sixsmith write for bmw boxer televis weekend not sinc recept and cabl not like ad and like tape yeh tough pick telli your situat sign type ad state don watch not real posit comment invit dealer introduct deck back rsvp tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	yamaha lock cobra lock experi yamaha cyclelok harden steel kryptonit lock unlik lock hing place and open larg rectangl longer length lock fold real small you lock rear tire steel post for exampl curiou joint section stand attack toni toni jone ant crai uunet crai ant cmc codegener group softwar divis crai research inc lone oak drive eagan
rec.motorcycles	maxima chain wax and mail order articl apr dsd bgardner pebbl blain gardner write articl apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write articl apr ac ucalgari parr ac ucalgari charl parr write bought miracl spoog chain lube wheel clean vfr goddamn competit accessori hasn mail order hell two week and order pretti bizzar stuff clear face sheild and can chain wax bastard for worth can dai chaparr that up ground ymmv stuff work and doesn attract grundg blue gave acid test full dai worth break quadrac paddl tire sand dune wet stickei will coat sand end dai chain look pretti clean recommend miracl spoog don dealer happen happen you you put deposit bike sigh chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	cobra lock articl apr hemlock crai ant palm crai toni jone write steve buni southwest chicago doc webrid central sun wrote post alt locksmith method for secur motorcycl respons refer cobra lock describ below come across store carri thi lock chicago area feedback us thi yamaha cyclelok almost long dirt photo motorcyclist harden steel kryptonit lock fold place extend lock rear tire tube park sign similar had experi easi attack lock joint section had for bike work fine rigid and nonflex that cyclelok yield instantli freez and break routin for want chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	adjust tappit part replac that need replc sproket chain and notic that engin tap local expert tappit that adjust attempt that advic had not shop manual read procedur chilton and place particularali car problem encount ride yamaha excit stop laugh tini shini matthew sheppard clarkson univers sheppamj sun soe clarkson edu bottl front frontal lobotomi anon don want pickl dod tep ride free etcetera
rec.motorcycles	want polic offic answer post thing last year mid decemb cop pull centigrad and start snow you live canada cop check licens insur ownership look frozen nose and finger told watch speed limit close and enter cruiser told didn ticket and slow that mention start snow safe ride stefan stefan ruhl german exchang student come honda you can run
rec.motorcycles	tour southwest kim fatciti ct kim sharp write tour sothwest utah mid june canyon you help hint stai thing avoid plan bryce zion arch grand close that point addit trip requir nice you for your support spring break corner area and back beauti stop made utah needl overlook thi bit east you highli recommend imho beauti grand canyon not mark pave road head north monticello order place clarifi that needl overlook and not recreat area head north monticello second turnoff and mark anticlin overlook anticlin overlook dirt thi matter you mile past needl overlook road overlook pave and maintain ran mph overlook god and world isn your you dan martin can stand thi prolifer paperwork martind spot useless fight form you kill peopl produc colorado edu vladimir kabaidz soviet plant manag
rec.motorcycles	bui bike etc bclark galaxi gov write lot post wanna bui bike gsxr cbr fzr good bike learn etc put togeth faq bui bike ravi us time bruce clark environ mail bclark galaxi gov make that bui bike bike not gener good bike dean woodward you want step into world dean fring rain socio psychot state bliss virago gun rose world dod
rec.motorcycles	kinder gentler bmw mail list rbp netcom bob pasker write joe you felt piss your list disparag intend and interest that made you feel that you didn meant piss boxer owner piss bike owner and bike owner piss boxer owner and end noth owner rib disparag receiv return intention bout lack joe senner joe rider cactu org bmw mail list bmw rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	back breaker hit articl snz morgan demon toni morgan demon write you such brain dead idiot drive unlik pass averag drive test requir puls singl digit state control licens requir that test that requir drive skill doubt blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	maxima chain wax and mail order articl apr dsd bgardner pebbl blain gardner write articl apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write vfr goddamn competit accessori hasn mail order hell two week and order pretti bizzar stuff clear face sheild and can chain wax bastard for worth can dai chaparr that up ground ymmv stuff work and doesn call and order put up tracer watch wait for home tonight dean dean cookson dcookson mitr org dod ama mitr corp burlington bedford kotnml kotb road shepherd and not stop vfr sam eliott road hog mtv bianchi limit
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl pbu sixgun east sun egreen east sun write drive impar for prosecut driver influenc varieti drug shame law drive stupid prevent kind accid dean dean cookson dcookson mitr org dod ama mitr corp burlington bedford kotnml kotb road shepherd and not stop vfr sam eliott road hog mtv bianchi limit
rec.motorcycles	tour southwest articl fatciti ct kim fatciti ct kim sharp write tour sothwest utah mid june canyon you help hint stai thing avoid plan bryce zion arch grand close that point addit trip requir closer bryce bryce arch spend lot time studi map lot you can that area you want hit grand canyon california loop canyonland moab arch and back bryce zion home make you ride capitol reef and bryce number top road list nice booklet detail lot interest pave bywai and unpav backwai road can order utah travel council you can state map for ask utah bywai and backwai utah travel council council hall capitol hill salt lake citi blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl snz morgan demon toni morgan demon write articl apr megatek randi megatek write you and chang law physic number us bandi shaft drive order effici chain drive closer that thi make chain drive effici hmmmmm maintain chain run oil rubber ring friction loss reach effici averag open dust ring motorcycl chain difficult job make effici sourc for number thi stuff that blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli stafford stafford winona msu edu stafford vax winona msu edu john stafford write apr gmt xlyx vax cit cornel edu wheeli motorcycl shaft drive rear wheel come ground not front hop into air figur road minnesota pretti bad doubt that that bad never reali watch back tyre maxim will pull front wheel ground pop clutch admittedli easier back that rear tyre john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli eerik villberg peopl for eerik iastat edu eat harri street tasti am anim
rec.motorcycles	max handl request articl tcora gator pica armi mil tcora pica armi mil tom coradeschi write jearl tekig pen tek jeffrei david earl wrote ntuvax ntu write can handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl vmax race horror stori delet portland intern racewai for max max handl ferget wera racer william lumsden consid run vmax superstock talladega gpr for practic dai and annoi rider caught sidewai vmax corner and pass blow straight wobbl needless sinc second faster decid vmax bad rai hixon wera expert singl mind gui
rec.motorcycles	adjust tappit sheppamj sun soe clarkson edu matthew sheppard write local expert tappit that adjust attempt that advic had thi adjust shim cam and valv question you bui full set shim start adjust process you calcul shim you and run dealer cage shim stock cheaper shim cost measur shim reliabl bui shim chri christoph karra internet cgkarra world std
rec.motorcycles	dod confession articl apr bnr mbeav bnr write can ration everytim happen uncontrol hate pre motorcycl hah newbi bait motorcycl wasn built pre motorcycl thought phase us didn happen gaze and custom each time sadist pictur hurl larg precipic pictur swarm german tourist cheer and take holidai snap can figur that part you watch northern exposur everytim read sig contain spoke wheel shudder and feel piti that poor soul suffer wheel repair imagin owner scrap live discard maytag refridger box tuck humph bait you don discard maytag box even becom uninhabit make great poor boi mechan creeper whazzat hope for deliver hear you squeal pig had past loath milwauke machin can begin understand preach hope bewar fanat preach resid waco texa set huge salad bar your honor jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	moa member anoth letter read articl apr msstate edu vech msstate edu craig vechorik write moa er you read for trust you cecil king and that editor befor don douglass and pre candid you draw your conclus don your problem you cecil king and don douglass you don king and cecil adam rodnei king and beani cecil jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	black reflector tape month ago motorcycl mag articl that mention reflector tape that suppos bmw idea that tape black sunlight and reflect color night headlight sound nice add nighttim visibl turn bike into carniv attract talk local bmw dealer thi told that thing had heard thi kind reflector us come line bmw cloth rainsuit wasn awar appli tape come across thi bmw sourc steve buni sun microsystem dod itasca ama
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli xlyx vax cit cornel edu write wheeli motorcycl shaft drive erik astrup afm dod cbr cbr concour ninja thi eleven nigel tufnel lead guitar spinal tap
rec.motorcycles	maxima chain wax articl drutx att pm torrei att paul smith write articl rmugel apr oasun oracl rmugel oracl robert mugel write unsuccessfulli locat place that sell maxima chain wax dalla area retail outlet for thi area mail order purveyor anywher dalla area bought can for friend bike xlh mine belt hahahahaha for tax bate discount cycl part southbound servic road farmer branch coupl mile north interchang dozen can left neal howard xlh dod computrac inc richardson doh neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaim opinion mine not computrac learn dream gentlemen and perhap learn truth august kekul
rec.motorcycles	want polic offic answer post articl apr iscnvx lmsc lockhe jrlaf sgi msd lmsc lockhe laferrier write stuff delet question typic cop regard pull minor move violat roll stop unsign lane chang ish mph speed limit etc minor you put unsignal lane chang minor categori gui jeff goss
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl snz morgan demon toni morgan demon toni kidson write maintain chain run oil rubber ring friction loss reach effici averag open dust ring motorcycl chain difficult job make effici produc engin watt kilowatt dump into leetl tini ring that watt per ring hot doncha chuck roger car torrei att
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion reason origin like current guythingi becas had bmw sigh that music ear complain loi seat bmw passeng unobtrus echo movement and lean your rider shoulder that comfort turn shoulder insid turn found that phrase sack potato work pretti describ passeng act switch your hand guardrail stretch your shoulder and squeez your thigh you your rider you guard rail isn safe hold your rider long ride girlfriend nanci notic drift drone highwai wouldn awar thi hadn habit squeez butt knee hold good advic mellon mellon ncd uunet lupin mellon member leagu for program freedom find softwar patent cost you your program contact lpf uunet net
rec.motorcycles	yamaha lock cobra lock articl apr hemlock crai ant palm crai toni jone write experi yamaha cyclelok oooo hope noth had seca turbo had lock back wheel and forgot heard clunk drove leav lock broken ground real secur action beav mike beavington dod sabr mbeav bnr employ idea talk
rec.motorcycles	adjust tappit christoph karra cgkarra world std wrote thi adjust shim cam and valv question you bui full set shim start adjust process you calcul shim you and run dealer cage shim stock cheaper shim cost measur shim reliabl bui shim bui you cost lot bui full set and you won us had good luck calcul method never had chang size increment time never need chang larger size cost each for yamaha frank ball frankb sad work hewlett packard fax home vallei hous drive seca rohnert park wug law ama dod nra
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write wave biker make sens hei nice meet you road good ride you habit watch carefulli for bike you cage thi good thing drive cage wave biker urg never bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada post take for select quot thi articl
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each articl arturo infmx arturo informix arturo vega write caught wave oncom motorcycl rider car not bike broken and walkin kyle cassidi cassidi rowan edu fire your gun onc dod
rec.motorcycles	for movi bike articl csundh ursa csundh ursa calvin edu charl sundheim write assembl info for film critic class final project man time thi thread come start jump and scream easi wheel easi wheel date thi absolut hyster basic plot thi report search for ring babysnatch blow road hot gang babe biker leather rescu wreck car desert xtian gospal biker band lead viet nam vet steel plate head that vision time time discov that gang babe kidnap children rais wolv reason thi complex and set stop and restor justic and order world funniest movi life kyle cassidi cassidi rowan edu fire your gun onc dod
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rec.motorcycles	maxima chain wax articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna write sprai chain wax roller and sidepl occassion and rust will not problem regularli and michael michael nelson cbr internet nelson seahunt imat dod
rec.motorcycles	your advic rider inform that you give greatli appreci send repli account you back net chri melch cjmelch leo bsuvc bsu edu vivid imagin sez thi almost close enuff mail cjmelch leo bsuvc bsu edu user neal dod faq dod naw neal howard xlh dod computrac inc richardson doh neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaim opinion mine not computrac learn dream gentlemen and perhap learn truth august kekul
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rec.motorcycles	for movi bike greas arun cool rider noe your ey black hole sky shine you crazi diamond
rec.motorcycles	yamaha lock cobra lock lock includ kyptonit utyp easi break into person proper suppli and motiv minut and your bike glad explain dont want contribut unlaw activ sinc bike that hate rip such trival tactic warn lock alon safe deter theft thief doesnt locksmith lock picker walk your properti person motion alarm combin lock thi type fact you that concern bill
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rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl apr colorado edu laszlo eclips colorado edu laszlo nemeth write articl wr wslack wr wslack bill slack write post shafti can wheeli mike impos due shaft effect centripit effect rotat shaft counteract tendenc for front wheel lift ground good point john buddi mine told that thing had bmw dump clutch rpm hei ito nly rev and you folk shaft doesn diddleysquatpoop can front wheel ground ferchrissak you bounc front not wheeli shaft effect unload rear susspens and effectivli load front thi shaft bike acceler start scrape corner laz contradictori had nighthawk degress horizon and wasn bank turn hard part get front ground rev drop clutch even harder keep come us back brake throttl onc wheeli bike ethan ethan bowerman dod nighthawk hei cut yer hair man noth clear mind quit cheech and chong max tach and close mouth contain feet buri speedomet unknown
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rec.motorcycles	point for helmet law point for articl prcr prc terri prcr prc terri cunningham write articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write ban motorcycl not reason reason ey misinform and misunderstand public convers your attitud blind and apathet law book propos that ban motorcycl place that want motorcycl not allow mile drive pebbl beach jolli roger
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rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli xlyx vax cit cornel edu mike terri ask wheeli motorcycl shaft drive yfn ysu edu john daker repli mike impos due shaft effect centripit effect rotat shaft counteract tendenc for front wheel lift ground ugh gave you gui your login name blech john never ride buddi torqu monster pull beauti skyshot that bike owner onc never ride bill bill leavitt cbx white lightn suzibago leavitt umd edu honda lone star sick leav dod ama icoa nia impala convert incred hulk hmmm thought bore and stroke techniqu michael bain
rec.motorcycles	put your helmet articl apr hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write articl uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau write anoth good place for your helmet your mirror thi dent and ding liner sometim quit bit bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada work great put your kickstand hot dai tar get soft jim rag rye senior technic support analyst harlei davidson rye crayamid crai crai research inc mpl you tonight that you for tomorrow morn sleep late henni youngman opinion mine and mine for small fee you rent
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rec.motorcycles	want polic offic answer post csundh ursa calvin edu charl sundheim write potenti cool stori stuff share detail verbal warn for simpl nice ride dai spring bike back togeth and you grab your gear put and fill tank octan premium head am road that lead town gilbert gilbert stop light that tell you bike back togeth thought for short ride and check thing head town into twisti slow pace speed limit and start lean pace quicken felt final road straighten and readi for bit speed grab gear open roughli mph grab fourth gear bike you can and fail notic state trooper quarter mile twist throttl fool grab gear and put back togeth radar notic front fender flex bit slow pull road remov helmet and glove unslung kit carri fanni pack and start tighten that fender trooper pull hot and fluster you idea fast you not precis pai attent bike and road not instrument back togeth last night and test ride traffic radar you mph care shouldn give you ticket test motorcycl popul and traffic strait and flat road wear protect gear that safeti demand note wasn quit that eloqu kind bike that eloqu cafe racer replica honda rat bike yeah haven had bike garag year compar ride stori pack toolkit tighten that fender you figur idiot road bike fail mph zone dead hold will work traffic thi evveri year rebuild not you find place highwai speed catch you speed highwai nail you for possibl can sight write you ticket offic and kid your ey open drive and that nut shell warn for don guarante that will work for you work for dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli peopl act smug chain final drive effici and higher mainten and didn answer start thread laz solemn assur that paralev can pull true wheeli assert hell that mean doug rinck drinck tssc wlg nec zealand tssc bmw bmw indian doug don school thought your chain drive effici shafti end stori period will give you that shafti mainten intens ethan ethan bowerman dod nighthawk hei cut yer hair man noth clear mind quit cheech and chong max tach and close mouth contain feet buri speedomet unknown
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rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion articl dsc rwert wrote advic ride pillion ninja thi will time for extend ride read farther block ride twisti fairli bumpi road mine road hamilton loop for you bai arean thi person lb and fairli small don weight problem sort advic give fiance and quit bit sporti ride you found and system work start acceler slower usual tough for rider judg scari fast acceler hold and lean forward rememb thi turn lean forward and angl you thi mean isn lean disconcert lean and your passeng lean that sit straight balanc lost and thi can danger slow and stop slower usual tough for rider judg scari fast deceler hold and lean forward you figur fast brake fast will shove passeng forward into you shove you into tank inopportun locat gener passeng knee you and bike not wide thi help balanc and somegrip you passeng fear will squeez knee you thi mean slow and turn lean tradit signal for slow faster hafta pee etc coupl signal slow tap back slap helmet depend urgenc matter turn point direct exit thi sign for cool that hafta pee sign turn hungri sign faster jump and peg glee slow faster want thi posit experi for that want will appreci thing ride talk ride buddi and pillion bike incred frustrat you almost control multipli that feel time ten you rider your bike will and your passeng will like feel you scrape hard part time lock brake moment careen edg volcan mountain etc pillion good train your pillion pad rememb that drain and tire ride you concentr and zen moment rememb thi pat lougheri patlo microsoft seattl dod ama vme dioc ksi vfr nighthawk seca turbo for sale
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion articl dsc rwert bob wert write advic ride pillion ninja thi will time for extend ride read farther block ride twisti fairli bumpi road mine road hamilton loop for you bai arean adventur not thi rout for extend ride that kinda take show speed star competit skydiv thi person lb and fairli small don weight problem sort advic give want hold grab rail back and heard that shoulder direct turn lean tradit ninja adjust suspens adjust stiffer set you don bottom bumpi curv cardin rule never put feet not you stop stop sign not think you gonna crash never peg you bike hold your waist hold tightli that won slide bike you twist throttl bit and ad bonu for you close your butt quick stop don make slide into you and knock your ball ga tank you decid word thi stai perpendicular bike straight seat don lean your bodi into curv bike and stai perpendicular don your shoulder rememb time that you passeng back that mean don pop clutch and corner and stop smoother usual awar that you jump brake you equival dead weight crash into you prepar for that make piss ride even doesn anti women stuff tini bladder remind you ride point thing interest make ride enjoy won focus back your helmet and ampl excus squeez you show you point wife and msf recommend rider shoulder curv bit and didn work time weight shift unpredict maxim unlik ninja upright ride posit restrict pillion view road ahead time had remain perpendicular bike and bike curv and weigh substanti lb curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
rec.motorcycles	bond cage cop akellei oracl alyn kellei write drove past turn car seat had notic nod and smile can for life figur friendli dod licens plate frame cop that mistook you for friend possibl duti cop dave your cloth your boot and your motorcycl arnold schwarzenegg
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rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each articl apr hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write drive cage wave biker urg never onc biker girlfriend car and told that stupid rider wouldn wave long post take for select quot thi articl curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	octan jnmoyn lbl gov jean noel moyn write you kind ga bui depend compress ratio your engin heard kind ga for kind compress ask thi us put hawk and dai chang want differ and don subject bike run run your bike lowest octan that will run smoothli higher octan fuel not lower octan ga pick last american roadrac magazin short articl octan and misconcept peopl make subject your owner manual state fine erik astrup afm dod cbr cbr concour ninja thi eleven nigel tufnel lead guitar spinal tap
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rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff articl apr iscnvx lmsc lockhe jrlaf sgi msd lmsc lockhe laferrier write wonder law offic that read thi question pertain motorcycl and cop and don vehicl code your local station obviou thing that question not found place answer face face real live flesh cop your brother had friend had cousin who father cop etc don bother write lurk for long time announc enemi enemi that happen ride arrest red vfr bike histori thi endear dod honda high school kawasaki klr honda sabr corner committe honda hawk proctologist design thi bike vfr entertain question answer will reflect georgia law and not appli your state nomex suit for sale
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rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl wr wslack wr wslack bill slack write post shafti can wheeli mike impos due shaft effect centripit effect rotat shaft counteract tendenc for front wheel lift ground good point john buddi mine told that thing had bmw dump clutch rpm hei ito nly rev and you folk shaft doesn diddleysquatpoop can front wheel ground ferchrissak you noth will strike bmw kei fob ostrich feather dip silli putti and varnish solid lure come and inhal lead swivel dog pretti difficult worsen troll scheme thi low chuck roger car torrei att
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rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl wayn orwig worwig atlantaga ncr wayn orwig atlantaga ncr wayn orwig write wheeli motorcycl shaft drive mike impos due shaft effect centripit effect rotat shaft counteract tendenc for front wheel lift ground last two motorcycl shaft driven and will wheeli rear gear climb ring gear and lift rear odd feel wheeli feed frenzi ti april rec moto and newbi bitin catch you want make chuck roger car torrei att
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rec.motorcycles	vfr owner hidden featur articl world std dave world std dave dorfman write enjoi lunch thi saturdai foodi milford assort nedod folk dean cookson not left countri mention that wire diagram vfr show that light switch posit switch high beam low beam beam actual ergonom switch make posit switch deam expect you balanc toggl switch center posit high and low beam thi nice light coverag road thi true for and vfr and expect for late model honda standard two posit light switch dean for read schemat you bit care thi us balanc switch avec cibi insert that beam eventu fri main ignit switch wasn design pass that sort current ivan reid paul scherrer institut ivan cvax psi gsx you porsch pass dod
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rec.motorcycles	your opinion and mean articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write sinc occur paid dollar renumer drunk class and listen righteou asshol that your rest world you never had your suare aren that fuck stupid you cock suck asshol that haven had suare soo impress that you had spend your preciou dollar make for your stupid act fuck friend kill drunk drive asshol andress infant children friend orphan drunk drive asshol infant righteou asshol you weak will fuck head hate can bite
rec.motorcycles	batteri storag not charg and store dry quit your batteri perfectli alright and retain charg drain and dri throw electrolyt and bui you and wrong rememb that batteri almost come readi charg and dry and perfectli even year storag shop mark fox
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff allan hatcher ahatch athena uga edu wrote lurk for long time announc enemi enemi that happen ride arrest red vfr don gener polic offic enemi hope you don biker gener that attitud stereotyp suck entertain question answer will reflect georgia law and not appli your state nomex suit for sale you shouldn flame for cop can promis you won jerk thi newsgroup you lurk for you that you lot flame you convinc peopl that you you badg and you will moder amount flamag for express opinion matter opinion will flame you for you order offici dod paraphenalia wristwatch bandana patch your boss your undercov real badass biker gang bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg
rec.motorcycles	dyna crane articl qpzo hdq cbnewsm att shz mare att keeper tude write plan switch singl fire ignit month and curiou experi supposedli crane singl fire that compet dyna club wrench not wench dyna modul for friend and bunch folk crane gui instal power arc ignit not report result not simpl bolt replac mount hole had drill recogn fun discuss chri need chang brand peni enhanc bout comment singl fire ignit for instal power arc and run great us coil and ignit modul coil requir mount hole drill fxstc solder and fine static time real easi set side coin local wrench opinion invari seek don adopt think power arc piec shit and jap chip gonna fail you dai needless doesn electron ignit modul and recommend dyna system that hall effect time sensor correct russ hugh fxstc dod chrome and steel ride collidin air breath young
rec.motorcycles	flame exhaust articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna write articl apr bnr dave dal farra gpz bnr write remind great editori bruce reev coupl month ago cycl canada piss cop pull speeder danger spot and blind corner that dai decid reveng cruis factori loaner zzr test bike notic cop had pull motorist ramp almost shoulder bright lad hit bike kill switch pass cop happen bend offend motorist expos glute pass world ignit system dead pump throtl two time fill exhaust canist volatil raw fuel stab kill switch light ignit and send flame sargeant swell direct cycl cop read cycl canada agre spirit action hope that rider poni take replac exhaust system destroi owner manual explicitli warn such behavior for exactli that reason you can destroi your mufler that good reason for straight pipe megaphon regard charl dod opti oil sell direct case load loacl dealership charg for jug injector oil and break span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant wrote will wheeli chain drive model wow that custom made stock setup put end confus bmw chain drive boxer didn post faq thi time ago essenc describ problem bmw decis settl shaft drive standard vacil and persist reintroduc chain drive model gosh crusad john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	zeno counterst paradox unveil articl apr acfclust nyu edu mullignj acfclust nyu edu wrote point time even front wheel turn straight ahead point turn left you describ that transit point front wheel revers direct turn backward john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	two beemer question articl apr organpip uug arizona edu asphaug lpl arizona edu erik asphaug write folk happi rang mile gallon that mpg surprisingli bike real cruiser expect rough sweet backroad honei and can pretti anyplac mountain bike shaft effect torqu effect crankshaft opinion rev sit driveshaft not move and bike twist bit clutch larg chunk counter rotat mass not rotat light reve make twist shaft effect rear end rise power real problem get lower road throttl snap shut you corner and head real close road bike paralev shaft almost shaft effect don ride fast shaft effect opinion buffet wind greater consequ question recommend for home made fair wind chest and perhap helmet for comfort highwai speed mph don want screw stabil block vision for trail ride luck two piec detach fair make plexigla run two light standard headlamp sidelamp mount crash bar illumin excel that full beam come level motor left side lamp beam linear that you bright streak illumin left and pick peripheri deer lurk etc combin headlamp high you can dai heard that bmw altern don crank shut sidelamp putter dirt low rpm question long you spend low rpm and you extra light low rpm and don charg that altern put suffici wattag that you rpm thi embarass troubl start bike thing morn invari flood carb and read section paper and start thi zen thing full choke open ga tap hit starter and slightli blip throttl fire crank minim throttl like throttl rais bit idl experi thing zen hard describ can hard learn you aren pai atttent differ success and failur you piss and flatten batteri run bike sit for week give short start doesn turn and wait minut for thing vapor fuel system and light dual plug make easier start hayn manual not circumst us gasolin alcohol addit yeah you folk due engin and carb eaten ethanol and methanol brand ga that addit big fix bing carb upgrad kit good for mpg and part alcohol proof part replac aren alcohol proof long bike isn sit for long period time gasohol nice sinc help ping your bike doesn ping cheap ga you rais compress half smilei bmw twin and lower compress epa happi dual plug and higher compress give back big chunk lost perfom neil kirbi dod nak archi cbusa att bell lab columbu usa you speak for you lawyer sens
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each articl hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write drive cage wave biker urg never neigh dai don notic post take for select quot thi articl articl hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write win green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	point for helmet law point for articl agat berkelei edu manish uclink berkelei edu manish vij write motorcycl not allow mile drive pebbl beach post sign cite you for don close access road you pai you don resid sticker and simpli don open gate you bike green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl moustic lbl gov jnmoyn lbl gov jean noel moyn write recent highwai patrol opposit senat and gave shot and hit put dodg cone fail and will chang vote result drink dunno newpap articl read didn wonder thing doubt green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl snz morgan demon toni morgan demon toni kidson wrote maintain chain run oil rubber ring friction loss reach effici averag open dust ring motorcycl chain difficult job make effici citat thi impressionist specul your part for year labor delus that chain drive effici that shaft drive chain drive stronger success shafti dragster flame kind drive john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	ignit problem snark bmerh bnr eric nelson write nighthawk two relat problem ignit system won start cold morn give ga start even clutch thi happen tune and batteri idea wrong bike you choke starter jet block and even idl manuel arrevola velasco mail manolo taf fundesco fundesco call alcala madrid dod tel don wast your time express
rec.motorcycles	time biker iso advic start motorcycl read subject bit talk friend ride bike and encourag kind bike vari answer larg athlet build suppos that determin size bike want want that fast and power satisfi crave onc us want that not bronc time idea bill repli prefer mail advanc
rec.motorcycles	vfr owner hidden featur warn warn unpleas articl world std dave world std dave dorfman write enjoi lunch thi saturdai foodi milford assort nedod folk dean cookson not left countri mention that wire diagram vfr show that light switch posit switch high beam low beam beam actual ergonom switch make posit switch deam expect you balanc toggl switch center posit high and low beam thi nice light coverag road thi true for and vfr and expect for late model honda standard two posit light switch make break type switch not requir for high low beam wee problem thi you us filament time bulb toss great deal heat normal possibl shorten life span honda crx cage cage that want bike had wimpi stock light us run beam made mucho big differ low beam filament di simultan thi two week find nice us beam replac light quartz halogen light and that end problem neil kirbi dod nak archi cbusa att bell lab columbu usa you speak for you lawyer sens
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rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli hpcc corp gharriso hpcc corp graem harrison write hpcc rec motorcycl xlyx vax cit cornel edu apr wheeli motorcycl shaft drive mike terri virago real question can wheeli lead wing high front wheel ground graem harrison gui earli pre fair wing hannigan and ride wai pretti intimid sight real good had guess you wouldn chop throttl onc jorg klinger gsxr you arch eng servic lost horizon umanitoba man embalm anonym squidonk
rec.motorcycles	type spesif vfr etc victor johnson thu apr gmt wibbl rec motorcycl cjackson adob curti jackson write articl srgenprp frankb sad frank ball write honda design engin street bike for for twin honda hawk twin not call that engin and step make plant for hawk twin that fly for microsoft technolog thi long todai cheer victor danc hawk johnson bmw stuff kraut slow suppos that you spend each week damn thing road nick piss bike biker dod concis oxford lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	dog bike encount dog chase bike poker run big german shepard ran into pack bike ride and bite leg gui ride front kick dog coupl time mph and made dog angrier and appli wfo and outrun dog start time had open drag pipe obnoxi loud hell and dog feet side bike pull clutch and rev motor rpm and roar pipe frighten dog made dog ear hurt hell and didn come back for rest biker second encount deceas road kill dog wasn pai close attent pavement car front straddl carcass look time run held handlebar and freak wheel squar dog belli thump thump run piec lumber bike didn lose stabil and destin found bit fur meat and blood stuck bottom motor and frame gross neal howard xlh dod computrac inc richardson doh neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaim opinion mine not computrac learn dream gentlemen and perhap learn truth august kekul
rec.motorcycles	dod confession articl apr bnr mbeav bnr write can ration everytim happen uncontrol hate pre motorcycl crud delet beav mike beavington dod sabr mbeav bnr employ idea talk you miss lot neat ride tuba irwin honk computrac richardson irwin cmptrc lonestar org dod
rec.motorcycles	put your helmet articl uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau write anoth good place for your helmet your mirror kid you not you typic standard bike fairli averag mirror that screw into your handlebar your helmet fit your mirror and fairli stabl butt butt car neak and whhheeeeelllleeee tchum and chick dig put helmet mirror inadvis you rest weight helmet fragil foam liner that expect cushion your noggin and onc crush that foam never pop back variat mirror hang thing bike sidestand hei centerstand for mainten turn wheel stop left and can hang helmet chin bar grip crushabl foam chin bar and pretti secur long fork lock leav helmet park bike and bag aren full that stabl place dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire concour mmmmmmmmmm beat you dave ring ding woop you never learn ama dod cog chicago beth bruiser dixon
rec.motorcycles	flame exhaust hei lone biker apocalyps rais arizona had flame come exhaust pipe love toggl kill switch sportster produc flame backfir underneath overpass night loud and light underpass neal howard xlh dod computrac inc richardson doh neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaim opinion mine not computrac learn dream gentlemen and perhap learn truth august kekul
rec.motorcycles	funni thing happen hon articl elan rowan edu cassidi elan rowan edu kyle cassidi write and that for past mile ride side stand oop and that insist sidestand cutout switch tachomet curs god green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl qiwz djm cbnewsm att shz mare att keeper tude write consol that had troubl scrape togeth not quit week beer monei for roid you can afford harlei keith schauer texa instrument plain texa custom dod insan societi sane man insan ama compani disavow knowledg action
rec.motorcycles	bike honda shadow and intrud you heard bike plan long time ride twin cruiser bike dont want massiv goldw
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rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff articl oav vtserf edu ranck joesbar edu ranck write and you will moder amount flamag for express opinion matter opinion will flame you for bill ranck bill ranck edu hei hell you mean that you suck god express opinion carri gun and not wear helmet goddamn you stand for stupid you alan thi tommi mcguir mcguir utexa edu mcguir austin ibm will append disclaim outgo public inform identifi person and independ ibm
rec.motorcycles	counterst san hand articl rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write bore bike tourer can you steer san han push your bodi side you want lean lean you want turn left sever confus rambl ground push front wheel trail ground push front wheel left contact patch trail will wheel turn hei hand counter steer conterst refer push insid handlebar effect lean hand counterst oxymoron green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
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rec.motorcycles	batteri storag not charg and store dry articl apr mnemosyn edu mfox nyx edu mark fox quit your batteri perfectli alright and retain charg drain and dri throw electrolyt and bui you and wrong rememb that batteri almost come readi charg and dry and perfectli even year storag shop mark fox make sens steel manufactur and store put oil won rust logicali you store your bike you strip paint and put oil metal prevent ru
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rec.motorcycles	advantag slip on articl apr krono arc nasa gov dschlot pioneer arc nasa gov dave schlotthauer write quick question advantag slip versu your stock exhaust versu aftermarket exhaust system don peopl slip heavili advertis and half expens dave cost lower oem replac and weigh instanc you not rejet carburetor perform replac oem canist ontario system slip mid rang perform notic slight stumbl rpm talk kaz yoshima develop and manufactur slip think larger pilot idl jet not suppos live make differ altitud barometr pressur that minor glitch slip perform and sound louder stock not loud annoi folk ontario slip us sort sound baffl techniqu reduc sound full throttl rememb bike tune system you chang intak exhaust characterist allow delta manufactur you chang area compens complet chang exhaust system header and muffler exhaust characterist point jet requir compens for engin breath pump profil talk folk make slip you intend us and us your bike check peopl system slip last data point sport rider issu review group header and exhaust system for cbr includ side bar ontario slip dyno show increas stock bhp rear wheel vers buyer bewar outrag claim increas hors power true past not todai cbr allen tobia technic email convex comput corp market tobia convex waterview parkwai richardson thi bike awesom and fearless jai gleason
rec.motorcycles	advantag slip on articl rigoj isl appl paul thompson thompson appl write nice start make replac for oem exhaust that cheaper not louder read supertrapp system call that suppos quiet pass european standard appar not market yoshimura make system that suppos kind quiet light plan get system and will post result mark mark burnham markb novel ama dod alfa romeo gtv ninja
rec.motorcycles	funni thing happen dmv dai thi post and bring interest event mind articl mdenni beryllium mdenni xerox matt denni write reaction boi enthusiast wave and good wave kid that notic bike figur help futur sport admit that parent figur notic afraid that kid will yell for associatign anti societ type week ago dmv ken stand mile long line wait for bore person fleec bunch peopl dough ken sit chair helmet wonder look social calibur peopl you find laundromat young woman walk requir confer attent and stood line watch fill form and notic kid year reach bench and touch helmet time didn mind and ken that kid touch helmet that helmet weren stabl platform ken scoot resettl and touch helmet mother child start shriek kid you stai you shit and whop tyke brutal head and shoulder suppos scari sex drug and unix shirt that such bout terror bodi
rec.motorcycles	stori respect articl apr pacesett lynn pacesett lynn hall write nuditi fine loud nois fine parti night fine place and time not trampl right and bitch don treat god michael menard you wasn even respond thi typic anti parti attitud messag trash reason not dipsi dumpster for massiv crowd oatman wasn prepar for vast number peopl that show don michael respons anti parti pro environment agre that you gotta hog roam onc awhil hope that year oatman will prepar and that pick ourselv asshol admit asshol time net friend asshol lyric song you want dime call that care for thought you told good stori even you you hole biker experi written new unfortun that you flame for tell thi controversi group rate good work and continu post stori jerri fxdl
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rec.sport.baseball	brave giant tmiller cimmeria gatech edu thoma miller write that thi weekend game seri strang strangest seri watch and end fit perfectli kurt atlanta hoyt gatech edu kwh salestech compuserv polit greek poli tic ugli blood suck parasit
rec.sport.baseball	mlb nba rvesterm vma edu write articl mssc qrrz netcom mss netcom mark singer articl rvesterm vma edu rvesterm vma edu write you want decreas player salari you want increas owner salari two equival bob vesterman you insist that ticket price cannot adjust downward tax for revenu build ballpark park charg concess cost etc owner decreas ticket price lot peopl pai price ask even assum that you strang power make owner decreas ticket price that not decreas contract bob vesterman will happen contract run network lose monei ticket price will someon salari will cut perhap local commun merchindis make differ basebal face dramat drop incom and will suffer fan higher ticket price
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rec.sport.baseball	brave giant articl hpspdla spd garyr hpspdla spd gari rosen write thoma miller apr that thi weekend game seri strang yeah real strang you brave award west titl plai game gari rosen didn that you that wow can that that brave team for that matter titl for free dolt that person that thought incred thoma miller tmiller cimmeria gatech edu system support specialist georgia tech network servic and look and behold pale hors and name that sat death and hell
rec.sport.baseball	hunter klesko steph pegasu uiuc edu dale stephenson write new duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush write touter brave prospect can that imo brave roster becom pip not even hunter problem get klesko lineup onc thi good new klesko hit for bream trade releas sinc bream lefthand hope klesko hit atlanta paper bream will full time baseman klesko us late in defens replac bream lift for pinch runner hit homer win game amaz thing reward start even attempt push hunter bream lineup kurt atlanta hoyt gatech edu kwh salestech compuserv polit greek poli tic ugli blood suck parasit
rec.sport.baseball	game length brave updat nflynn wvnvm wvnet edu write thi polici speed game you person mediot endors thi polici problem length game and tire espn crowd and announc bitch never ballpark fill peopl watch and shout hurri cough big buck for ticket don mind game that last don understand agre nick big deal long game you want watch basebal that basebal watch and basebal includ space plai plai suspect that lot complain long game come peopl advertis time wast middl in batter step box fiddl glove pitcher walk mound collect thought sold advertis time heather hhenderson vax clarku edu
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write not talk morri win toronto last year you launch into fantasi red jai and toronto viola team viola didn plai for toronto last year morri problem your nihilist approach roger that take sens game your line reason gui hit into doubl plai and base load point that that bad thing team won specul happen thing had doubl plai event that happen game that eventu won lost for unknown reason specul involv construct fantasi happen didn roger you worri that pencil you drop will fall ceil you will empir evid team post season win game divis don make post season don win seri will you agre that win divis intermedi goal ring collect you agre that win game intermedi goal win divis and disagr come win game your viewpoint express win game happen for reason that cannot analyz think thing base runner good out bad and walk doubl plai base load you think thing team game perhap doubl plai will mysteri team dynam that will team win todai result that becom imposs individu player perhap atlanta won seri plai left field perhap knowledg and person help team complet lack skill hurt extrem valuabl player dave winfield jai victori you you replac andr galarraga perhap jai won perhap lost perhap defect alpha centauri bear mind that fly saucer not land mid season had winfield dhing for toronto babe ruth good player plai win team success gener accept that erni bank good basebal player and jarvi brown and dan schatzed weren that deni thi provid proof observ thing basebal year empir and rulebook score run oppon win game import score run and prevent oppon score run score team bat and in end that make out bad hit home run good player tendenc hit pitch level and somewhat consist year year us statist predict winner and you make flat predict barri bond will higher obp slg gene larkin thi year brave will finish ahead rocki stand tiger will score run royal will give astonish turn fals and suspect you matter fact pretti can predict divis winner thi year guess per divis and thi random chanc and almost statist signific you will admit that rocki and marin meet world seri you admit that sort measur likelihood fuzzi imposs for thing equal your fantasi total meaningless real life person rob servic station two peopl automat pistol get and convict and sentenc for year person similar crimin record rob servic station two peopl revolv get and convict sinc us two type handgun comparison total meaningless you drop pencil graviti work cat test thi don trust pai graviti bill time you never drop pencil that exact time centuri previou evid meaningless you surpris flew window hit desk david thornlei replica world seri ring ticket world seri metrodom
rec.sport.baseball	game length brave updat articl apr vax clarku edu hhenderson vax clarku edu write nflynn wvnvm wvnet edu write thi polici speed game agre nick big deal long game you want watch basebal that basebal watch and basebal includ space plai plai hesit make assumpt peopl write you two sound you kid and you not spous night game start est last year cleveland show thought good sens push back and into minimum extra in put past midnight even extra in score can famili that night dai workdai bag that game colder get shore lake eri that stuff enter into consider even game you you don care whether game sped impo you you don care time and that game for peopl don famili and don for work dai can plai barri bond plai two movi
rec.sport.baseball	bob knepper damn articl aginn shellei washington edu tannerg hardi washington edu glenn tanner write fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush write articl apr leland stanford edu dkeisen leland stanford edu dave eisen write suck into thi articl apr new yale edu austin jacob write don you gui mean mon heck women even think get into basebal problem assum you guess you surpris hear that gui don guess that tini fraction folk read your post agre kind doubt that even you agre sheesh agre you dave for start rec sport idiot for gui austin for start rec sport idiot for peopl respond obviou flamebait nah reserv rec sport idiot for peopl post obviou flamebait post controversi not mention idiot austin post wide access newsgroup challeng statement school thought that suggest that silenc consent thi idea not appli life appli forum public discuss you read you find that even elementari school children had access post alibet edit form make carefulli thing post conclus austin post drivel obscur newsgroup that don read fine rant rave and drool name free speech drool newsgroup that read will support provid rebutt drool you don read thi and you want cut flame don post flamebait you don respond flame save cyberspac sheesh eric
rec.sport.baseball	mlb stand and score for tue apr note saturdai april score thi come fridai mlb stand and score for tuesdai april includ yesterdai game nation west won lost pct last streak home road san francisco giant won houston astro won atlanta brave lost lo angel dodger won san diego padr won colorado rocki lost cincinnati red won nation east philadelphia philli won pittsburgh pirat lost loui cardin lost york met lost chicago cub lost montreal expo won florida marlin lost american west won lost pct last streak home road texa ranger won california angel lost minnesota twin lost chicago white sox lost seattl marin won oakland athlet lost kansa citi royal won american east boston red sox won detroit tiger lost toronto blue jai won york yanke lost milwauke brewer won cleveland indian lost baltimor oriol won yesterdai score idl team list alphabet order nation leagu american leagu houston astro ppd chicago white sox chicago cub rain boston red sox atlanta brave idl toronto blue jai cincinnati red idl cleveland indian colorado rocki idl seattl marin florida marlin idl detroit tiger lo angel dodger idl baltimor oriol idl montreal expo idl california angel idl york met idl kansa citi royal idl philadelphia philliesidl milwauke brewer idl pittsburgh pirat idl minnesota twin idl loui cardin idl york yanke idl san francisco giant idl oakland athlet idl san diego padr idl texa ranger idl joseph hernandez ram laker jtchern ocf berkelei edu king dodger raider jtcent soda berkelei edu angel clipper
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rec.sport.baseball	rai lankford question articl apr mnemosyn edu msilverm nyx edu mike silverman lankford for game slight injuri sinc beenback and injuri for that matter struggl plate and basepath wherei rai lankford last year patient sore shoulder crash into wall card will give time come full time centerfield will not steal thi year hit clean mark kornbluh
rec.sport.baseball	barri bond not bat head imposs for fathom barri not bat for giant will clark barri such awesom and consist hitter nation leagu imho william streaki hitter and not clutch hitter bat ahead bond simpli injustic giant and fan giant
rec.sport.baseball	and america team articl kingoz camelot kingoz camelot bradlei edu orin roth write offici brave start win offici and receiv thi label unoff doubt america team cub guess america love underdog year matter cub talent predict never close never win year lose mount america fallen love perenni loser cub fan chicago team worldwid cub fan worldwid team divis combin aura excit surround cub begin season includ champ that etern hope thi year talent good start pitch hit strong point time that inevit that cub will eventu win god sinc long come time anoth year final win and start win consist cub will remain america lovabl underdog cub america team orin bradlei jester disguis you absolut correct brave fan noth bunch bandwagon correct wrong year ago you couldnt give ticket brave plai bet paycheck that call brave fan live georgia present time can not name player season hand cub fan live anywher unit state name player year and grant fact that team win bring peopl ball park that not mean diserv titl america team reason consid america team ted turner and station broadcast across nation toronto america team brave red chri babbitt cgbabbitt leo bsuvc bsu edu want life woman love and woman care for kid hopefulli two will never meet
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri aardvark cygnu locu warren usui write alfredo griffin barri larkin ring you judg don your point sinc barri alfredo two dodger and blue jai not that won world seri ring for team babe ruth and lou gehrig combin that yanke dynasti not due lazarri warren agre your premis babe won two team that part red sox dynasti and that yanke dynsati wouldn happen thier famou bullpen catcher name escap moment cuz
rec.sport.baseball	belcher terrif tomlin not red win redreport tim belcher pitch dandi hit shut tonight cincinnati won second straight pittsburgh lefti randi tomlin hit earli and heavili unbalanc red line manag recent rare power bat belcher solid and fact stronger game progress earli had ball count even and allow base ball strike post game interview chang work for strikeout appar break ball tomlin hand troubl earli give second pitch doubl lead batter bip robert bobbi kelli singl and barri larkin score robert sharp singl big gui mitchel sabo milligan unabl that fact struck kelli manag score due doubl steal and tomlin wild pitch fact appear that tomlin recov nice shaki start retir batter fourth randi milligan had idea line shot poorli plai orlando merc and turn into tripl milligan score reggi sander sacrific fly give cinci lead in spell loss for tomlin robert led second doubl game and batter larkin smack doubl left field line chase tomlin barri score final run tom princ two base pass ball pirat manag threat dai bottom half merc and kevin young hit back back singl second bunt varieti carlo garcia struck princ fit foul fly and pinch hitter lonni smith end pittsburgh hope pittsburgh pitcher back tomlin reliev bla minor moeller and nagel gave two hit in work barri larkin left game seventh grounder mi plai bruis thumb hospit for precautionari rai hope cincinnati worst record major two win move cellar pittsburgh red fan you receiv thi report semi daili basi write send your mail address and put you list red mail list forward and put list cincinnati red robert kelli larkin branson mitchel hernandez sabo milligan sander oliv belcher total milligan tomlin lead fourth score robert tomlin lead score robert tomlin lead score larkin tomlin runner second rbi score sander rbi larkin sander kelli larkin gdp sabo pittsburgh pirat martin bell van slyke king merc young garcia princ tomlin minor smith moeller waynor nagel gdp merc cincinnati pittsburgh pitch cincinnati belcher line dai larkin pittsburgh tomlin minor moeller nagel tomlin princ ump ripplei hallion quick crawford att come red plai two pitt chicago for weekend seri weather doesn good don surpris game rain tomorrow jose rijo steve cook smilei wakefield thursdai rstimet
rec.sport.baseball	jewish broadcast jewish basebal player apr galileo rochest edu kahn troi rochest edu write not forget michael you miracl fame jim you can forget mel allen michael
rec.sport.baseball	homerun brook robinson last homerun memori stadium and two bottom in larri harlow due brook pinch hit pitch dave laroch into left field bleacher for win brian klaff
rec.sport.baseball	game length brave updat articl apr vax clarku edu hhenderson vax clarku edu write agre nick big deal long game you want watch basebal that basebal watch and basebal includ space plai plai don mind length game want speed game sensibl wai that fine object assert basebal peopl whitei herzog buck rodger heard thi that game long hitter take pitch and that strike zone expand john franjion depart chemic engin univers colorado boulder franjion spot colorado edu
rec.sport.baseball	brave updat articl steph pegasu uiuc edu steph pegasu uiuc edu dale stephenson event call strike hirschbeck shock gant ask for appeal appeal gant step batter box hirschbeck immedi order gant back bad move even notic that gant demeanor not batter attempt regain concentr gant stalk gant ump gant ignor hirschbeck and walk bad move small hand wave gant don bother gant hirschbeck yell gant gant silent hirschbeck call for pitch pitch call strike cox argu couldn field cox halfwai ump strike call cox eject player plai final resum gant shouldn hirschbeck not return made strike call fairli like suspect argument gant toss altogeth hirschbeck had gant step incid avoid impress that gant not step make protest lack appeal point earlier appeal strike can understand gant feel pressur two risp game ninth in ump overreact gant stalk doubt long hirschbeck moment compos tell come bat imho umpir flexibl hirschbeck show gant disturb point pretti like not hit bad finish pretti good game dale stephenson steph uiuc edu basebal fanat consid good wise not overburden inform golden kimbal wayn barber data support specialist univers main system internet barber main main edu
rec.sport.baseball	barri bond not bat elroi edu edward hui write articl apr leland stanford edu punjabi leland stanford edu sanjeev punjabi write head imposs for fathom barri not bat for giant will clark barri such awesom and consist hitter nation leagu imho william streaki hitter and not clutch hitter bat ahead bond simpli injustic giant and fan giant simpl reason bond bat william mean that matt will good pitch hit thi import sinc struggl break ball oppos pitcher don want walk william bond don understand thi matt william demonstr career that will not wait for good pitch hit won walk swing oppos pitcher groov fastbal william and hit that william will swing and miss not hit low and curv john franjion depart chemic engin univers colorado boulder franjion spot colorado edu
rec.sport.baseball	basemen articl apr tesla njit edu drm tesla njit edu don mattingli baseman histori basebal will even even conceiv that neat trick will leav lot room for error don hopefulli miss earlier post that thi regard leav that individu fill will gehrig shorten and not capit for eas reader mike
rec.sport.baseball	candlestick hei folk giant plai ball stick saturdai april game pendelton broke scoreless tie ninth two two run homer win wasn game fan threw give fotobal field respons homer bad huh stick cold saturdai game end and cold can imagin night game april stick wind kick and thi idea game pile hot dog wrapper and cup and trash field lot time propos kid clean corp compos year kid love noth run field in gui toro smooth infield and grab trash not glamor that ag field ballplay win whaddaya sean
rec.sport.baseball	barri bond not bat consist hitter nation leagu imho william streaki hitter and not clutch hitter bat ahead bond simpli injustic giant and fan giant bond bat william mean that matt will good pitch hit thi import sinc struggl break ball oppos pitcher don want walk william bond you correct that william absolut sandwich clark and bond and mean fastbal hit becom sixto lezcano disguis suggest perhap bat bond william and clark reason that feel bond potenti basest abil wast stuck two slow runner chanc get extra stolen base bond spot offset drop run product clark spot matt
rec.sport.baseball	you articl apr alchemi chem utoronto mark write prefer post thi question net read long forgotten articl that handsign us major leagu ump origin us deaf ball player name dummi urban myth true got true william dummi hoi basebal deaf player plai big for team includ white sox and red brian curran mead data central brian meaddata never had coach life find can beat listen lee trevino profession golfer
rec.sport.baseball	rel player kime apr mongoos torolab ibm kime mongoos torolab ibm edward kim write articl lww world std jle world std joe leonard write folk jump net jai won good pitcher aaa place morri run support averag pitcher can that morri perform playoff and seri had larg posit impact jai perform trendi nowadai dump morri give credit credit due doubt that blue jai won east morri you morri you mention assum replac altern morri let cito gaston soft toss ball underhand opposit dai blue jai wouldn won morri altern replac level close and morri made differ altern frank viola blue jai won easili viola last year team for month august and starter shell and milwauke make charg morri pretti good era can rememb exactli you can make argument that presenc prevent team collaps august not underestim import in save bullpen dai didn win east forget pennent and world seri in help run support high run stottlemy run and won game rememb morri win inordin number and ballgam thi credit pitch good need ballgam put cruis control and threw ball and batter themselev hate thi express inexperienc pitcher wear make perfect pitch era morri veteran pitcher that win thing that matter basebal save reach back for that extra hate thi game line complet happen time that morri fell and team back and rescu thi lousi in pitcher and rest that team can climb hole consist and win not morri credit team credit morri exce percentag that project run allow and run support hasn thi previou year fact record lot wors project run support and run allow you thi abil postseason game pitch decent typic morri game morri get team rescu not respons for that rescu and game team didn rescu jack morri pitch season game offens didn earn victori btw put bullpen embarrass veteran pitcher cito never era can embarrass morri gui will retur can start anymor bad in pitcher serv bullpen greg
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri happen peter gammon espn last night address thi exact issu and dismiss quickli gammon advanc scout report that morri fastbal and slider zip and that problem thi year due sudden inabl ball hidden releas guzman and stottlemyr similar stretch that clear succinctli work pitch coach gammon morri back top form month hand doubt morri era last year high for pitcher won game show seri not surpris not convinc that wash doubt whether not can regain form had for twin brian klaff
rec.sport.baseball	game length brave updat mzimmer netcom michael zimmer write longer game suggest basebal watch you includ watch grass grow basebal that don game plai artifici turf lengthier game batter step box pitcher take longer pitch and excess trip mound manag and pitch coach and true that gap plai can interest thi true don becom extra long your idea interest differ mine bat practic interest for exampl and make special effort game earli order delai tactic batter pitcher catcher and manag interest attempt gain advantag control flow and time game umpir can and interven tactic hand ryan robbin point rule that cover thi fascin thing basebal open ended regard time you never game zip and two hour morn likewis game action pack and game slow and lazi that fine folk want constant action watch game can channel surf and cater short attent span heather hhenderson vax clarku edu
rec.sport.baseball	bob vesterman plan gener fan interest rvesterm vma edu write face sex and violenc thing that sell america can implement game bob sex basebal you uniform can tighter todd hundlei suppos favor carlton fisk baggi pant style unfortun todd word wise flaunt heather hhenderson vax clarku edu
rec.sport.baseball	yank royal box score box score april game score can provid for joseph guastella long distanc mkt rep dewitt san pedro suit san antonio san antonio jguastel lonestar utsa edu ext
rec.sport.baseball	rai lankford question lankford for game slight injuri sinc beenback and injuri for that matter struggl plate and basepath wherei rai lankford last year beg differ had coupl hit game back caught steal miss sundai game plai tonight not worri team patrick
rec.sport.baseball	cub fever kingoz camelot bradlei edu orin roth write cub fever hit begin chanc thi year heck think moment incompet orin bradlei you thi chronic syndrom persist banish you cub crazi sanatarium north chicago rob
rec.sport.baseball	pecota brave send pecota stat for last year give sort feel for kind player mind handl bother pecota brave that pretti meaning that can even come name ken yousten you don succe blacksburg quit us damn fool yousten atlanti cso orst edu field
rec.sport.baseball	basemen articl apr tesla njit edu drm tesla njit edu write don mattingli baseman histori basebal will not kind happi grass you smoke you share lou gehrig greatest baseman jimmi foxx baseman greatest baseman yanke modern era put thi histori basebal quit humor silli and total line toni
rec.sport.baseball	barri bond not bat articl mek hlq menudo edu elroi edu write articl apr leland stanford edu punjabi leland stanford edu sanjeev punjabi write head imposs for fathom barri not bat for giant will clark barri such awesom and consist hitter nation leagu imho william streaki hitter and not clutch hitter bat ahead bond simpli injustic giant and fan giant simpl reason bat william ahead bond will creat left clark william left bond situat middl bat order thi make tougher for oppos manag chang pitcher bond bat william mean that matt will good pitch hit thi import sinc struggl break ball oppos pitcher don want walk william bond your reason not good joe morgan think that bond clark william hitter believ that clark bond william fine opinion that bond hit ahead william inclin agre your reason not valid bond can hit lefti and righti hit lefti righti giant william get break ball not last season bottom line bond disciplin and product hitter william and prefer chanc bond drive hitter expect high obp william william fastbal bond and second base open threat bond steal
rec.sport.baseball	barri bond not bat articl apr leland stanford edu bohnert leland stanford edu matthew bohnert write consist hitter nation leagu imho william streaki hitter and not clutch hitter bat ahead bond simpli injustic giant and fan giant bond bat william mean that matt will good pitch hit thi import sinc struggl break ball oppos pitcher don want walk william bond you correct that william absolut sandwich clark and bond and mean fastbal hit becom sixto lezcano disguis suggest perhap bat bond william and clark reason that feel bond potenti basest abil wast stuck two slow runner chanc get extra stolen base bond spot offset drop run product clark spot matt william not hit cleanup secondli bond and clark that order lot product runner score posit matt streaki free swinger william sanjeev
rec.sport.baseball	ugliest swing ugliest swing not ugliset stanc jolio franco ranger that bat come time hit ball bad hei job tac
rec.sport.baseball	jewish ballplay your list jewish ballplay includ levi samuel meyerl son jacob and margaret meyerl that sound jewish name meyerl surviv rel wasn jewish nineteenth centuri star publish sabr incident long levi foot bat season nation associ pro leagu needless hasn top not consid major leagu officialdom season meyerl hit plai for season hit phil brown aka csc albani edu
rec.sport.baseball	and america team apr bsu uc cgbabbitt leo bsuvc bsu edu write you absolut correct brave fan noth bunch bandwagon correct wrong year ago you couldnt give ticket brave plai bet paycheck that call brave fan live georgia present time can not name player season hand cub fan live anywher unit state name player year and you you wrong thi claim complet unverifi and untest wager brave fan net name player season you give ticket brave game dad and great seat scalper for face isn exactli sign hot ticket grant fact that team win bring peopl ball park that not mean diserv titl america team reason consid america team ted turner and station broadcast across nation thi precis consid america team even bad you brave game cabl you that for cub brave had camerawork announc you listen harri discuss game skip and pete discuss motobal and team that weren wors tb brave had lot fan georgia home kentucki even closer cincinnati brave fan red fan even you watch brave plai you had cincinnati watch red can anywher america and watch brave toronto america team brave guess that brave fan wide distribut toronto fan dale stephenson steph uiuc edu basebal fanat consid good wise not overburden inform golden kimbal
rec.sport.baseball	neon deon sander brave giant zippi telcom arizona edu joplin biosci arizona edu doug robert write not deon hype season last year good not convinc that can remind year tim wallach hit homer and had rbi never even close happen prefer gui busi and don plai for attent tim wallach can explain rabbitbal deion can explain learn plai game not bet that deion will plai last year odd deion plai last year odd oti nixon thing you factor defens oti valuabl last year not convinc valuabl thi year and year dale stephenson steph uiuc edu basebal fanat consid good wise not overburden inform golden kimbal
rec.sport.baseball	rbi question judgement call part scorer for sac fly rbi thi situat that brought question red sox bottom score marin had base load batter hit fly center fielder catch runner tag and score throw judgement call and don thi rbi for batter that name for thi defens indiffer sinc doesn matter whether gui score that point can marin stole and second open base and batter hit grounder baseman get deep hole and wouldn plai home second for and can make throw last etc scenario matter thi gui score thi you ty run score gui point that batter imo shouldn credit rbi for utterli fail job thi point hit walk not trade for run you gui regard burk charl homan choman wpi wpi edu red sox rocket
rec.sport.baseball	opinion eli denni show that happen denni mclain sad for you interest anoth basebal pariah pete rose weekdai radio show sport and entertain nation radio network local east coast and air monologu basebal busi sound lot reason and articul hear rai knight world greg mockingbird franklin interraci mix encompass lot lot ccit arizona edu mingl race robohen stodgi thing argument inept speaker ignor sermon drink bout hor oeuvr dri sword sheath held togeth thread question boi favorit affair inumakura dog pillow
rec.sport.baseball	barri bond not bat articl apr leland stanford edu punjabi leland stanford edu sanjeev punjabi write head imposs for fathom barri not bat for giant will clark barri such awesom and consist hitter nation leagu imho william streaki hitter and not clutch hitter bat ahead bond simpli injustic giant and fan giant simpl reason bat william ahead bond will creat left clark william left bond situat middl bat order thi make tougher for oppos manag chang pitcher bond bat william mean that matt will good pitch hit thi import sinc struggl break ball oppos pitcher don want walk william bond edward hui
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri roger maynard drivel delet cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time can stick thi gui faq and stop respond gui last flame war pretti ident collect articl thi and simpli post entir block whenev start simpler roger appar embarass specimen enjoi flame give roger you dull dull you act tom
rec.sport.baseball	and america team articl apr bsu uc cgbabbitt leo bsuvc bsu edu write you absolut correct brave fan noth bunch bandwagon correct wrong year ago you couldnt give ticket brave plai bet paycheck that call brave fan live georgia present time can not name player season john smoltz tom glavin german jiminez dale murphi bruce sutter pete smith rick mahler jim acker jim break morrison ron gant andr thoma gerald perri ozzi aeneid virgil lonni smith jerri royster note not brave fun hand cub fan live anywher unit state name player year and hand brave cub and can name ron santo erni bank and don kessing favorit cubbi season grant fact that team win bring peopl ball park that not mean diserv titl america team reason consid america team ted turner and station broadcast across nation watch brave game great deal player player cub game live york met and put sleep face watch gui rick sutcliff and lui salazar doesn put edg chair toronto america team brave notic lot anti toronto sentiment state partli that post seri arrog part upsid flag dork post partli roberto alomar excit swiss chees and partli live baltimor winter becom fond fan call rex barnei radio show that side hate rival red met spell and jason miller doctor gui frank banananna win
rec.sport.baseball	mvp revisit total basebal evalu player total offens and defens contribut barri bond total player rate for player sinc ruth attain that mark cal ripken for season round top offens player last season sheffield sandberg van slyke and larkin top offens player martinez ventura anderson henderson and thoma short total basebal bond enjoi season game histori year had mantl mai william etc you disagre don flame flame writer total basebal martinez and ventura neck and neck shortcom statist analysi had year can consid toss total basebal support your choic bond and ventura mvp phil brown aka csc albani edu
rec.sport.baseball	phil win hard philli won two game back back extra in last night game hard fought game chicago blow two game show philli team past season tend short end run game don time lose run win contend team extra in and
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write that player anoth solut that player team plai player lineup sheer specul imposs ascertain disciplin certainti state fact basebal not can that clemen morri last year and larkin griffin can ascertain thi can prove not requir and sinc you feel that such thread meaningless don you simpli stai valentin not cordial roger maynard complet and total dickhead send mail you insist detail
rec.sport.baseball	infield fly rule you can call time plai progress ryan robbin penobscot hall univers main main main edu
rec.sport.baseball	white and black racism philli articl psilink denni parslow psilink write dan campbel dan jhunix hcf jhu edu articl apr ulkyvx louisvil edu pjtier ulkyvx louisvil edu write articl apr pilot njin net gajarski pilot njin net bob gajarski hobokenit write hard work black player lazi white player mcreynold that time pass post rickei drive boat drunk kill and teammat peopl bond drunk skull smash car into tree disabl willi mcgee for season can you consid spoil lazi nigger thi presumpti you assum you can read mind and predict futur make you think thing make you that not lot peopl don crew god dead mistak deserv sympathi crew olin bond mcgee rickei you bother you that two dead white men get sympathi make you feel mourn dead black basebal player beat dead hors rememb fair amount sympathi for black fring player name roberto clement and for roi campanella and for thurman munson and for not even like player mourn for dy young wiggin alan that point peopl feel slightli sympathet for rickei kill critic lot for action exampl jose canseco get coupl speed ticket and sudden attitud aw hell speed ticket clubhous influenc sportswrit talk time brian hunter and keith mitchel had dwi problem end last year two year ago cite sign immatur etc meanwhil dykstra almost kill and daulton and didn read sportswrit complain that talk bad for philli never read anywher critic dykstra charact daulton intellig for that matter base thi incid david niepor thing wrong theori niepornt phoenix stupid stupidest theori heard princeton edu baltimor oriol danger cult bd batf
rec.sport.baseball	bonilla articl new duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush write articl apr princeton edu roger crux princeton edu roger lustig write articl steph pegasu uiuc edu steph pegasu uiuc edu dale stephenson write apr princeton edu roger crux princeton edu roger lustig write black player can surviv mediocr wors can mcrae and chamberlain explain hard and fast rule point that white player like stick longer mediocr iii and made list year and neg adjust bat run and total player rate tpr problem gener not for career imho player plai career consid haven rest arma bailor balboni bannist beauchamp beniquez bergman berri biittner blair bocht bonnel boslei bradford brown buckner cabel castillo cater cimoli cline cline cole collin davalillo dernier dilon gaston geiger geronimo gosger heep iorg black player lot white and hispan hmmm question you differenti hispan and black peopl fall into categori rafael ramiriez come mind and fit into thi group oop not light hit util player that miguel dilon qualifi rememb correctli black mean born black peopl for purpos thi discuss hispan player basebal and team sign lot hispan local audienc black and hispan stick black don rememb thi countri that had special racial law for group and group black nation histori includ huge long term global tension black minor hispan minor discrimin never object nation obsess worth your subdivid data into career start year interv that your predict true for career start and true for career start you compar total racial percentag for era question absolut expect that thi effect disappear exist and talk twg and that not small reason opinion that your point valid todai year ago curiou data list for cull name expect you btw roger
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write contrari statist impair opinion asshol spring contin dirti viru dilig work destroi glori sport cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time heheheheh roger wrong you you not bore time thi classic cordial hehehehehh you jerk peopl hate you you fun parti come roger maynard school cordial can teach you cordial us such time honor cordial techniqu call peopl asshol compar virus for advanc student compar dirti virus dirti viru and can you clean and roger maynard school cordial can teach you heheheh roger thi made even tom
rec.sport.baseball	barri bond not bat clark william bond order pitcher can walk clark out unlik last year william get pitch hit bond loom deck circl sinc matt terribl bat ey thi help giant lot bond get base can steal and driven singl thompson manwar clayton you bat bond slugger you don want run caught steal you big in bond protect such good base stealer walk potenti doubl draw back clark and william clog base infront bond and that problem giant will glad robbi thompson get hot ken kubei kubei wpd sgi
rec.sport.baseball	usa mcweekli stat rvesterm vma edu write articl franjion spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu john franjion impress read thi group and bill jame that elia bunch monei grub jerk mission charg can for basebal statist info and bill jame not yeah you bill jame player rate book bill jame doesn sell statist sell book statist not busi provid stat elia stat how basebal workshop etc greg
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri cmeyer bloch stanford edu craig meyer write michael chen mike cunixf columbia edu wrote case viola made sign viola younger and left hand left hand starter toronto agre that viola sign that you want lefthand starter understand lefthand spot reliev even face righthand batter lefthand batter don understand peopl insist lefthand starter park effect yanke stadium answer stupid you monei never understood preoccup make rotat left hand starter time make sens you unbalanc schedul and your main rival load lefthand hitter that you complet greg
rec.sport.baseball	bonilla articl mjone fenwai mjone donald aix kingston ibm write fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush write divis base race religion etc make sick isn nice that mlb final wake exist isn shame that hire practic and field discriminatori for long quick name light hit black outfield last year big bet you can name two dozen white oti nixon darnel cole henri cotto manni mota dominican not that light hit lifetim plai profession pinch hitter that that you jerri hairston billi hatcher begin year herm winningham good lonni smith not light hit horror field not thing lot peopl bad of gari redu not that light op dion jame not year daryl boston year thi year vinc coleman yeah final start decent obp not year cecil espi not year willi wilson yup gari petti milt thompson year thi year gari varsho six year thi year admit take quick brows major leagu handbook and time light hit black outfield lou brock and curt flood cesar geronimo brock coleman and wilson hot dog basesteal lonni smith that special class cf petti and wilson break field and brock wasn that bad hitter not end spoil ifetim and suspect thatth problem lessen time you histori last decad clear race base pattern util player and platoon player and lesser talent stai longer white cesar cedeno light hit lifetim op houston latin btw note gui not reach year close likewis for list and predict milt cuyler come back and parti talk roger
rec.sport.baseball	bonilla articl mjone fenwai mjone donald aix kingston ibm write fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush write quick name light hit black outfield last year big bet you can name two dozen white oti nixon stole base light hit basebal manag don omar moreno perfect leadoff man awesom defens darnel cole hit henri cotto hasn plai year big wasn full time major leaguer manni mota consist hitter billi hatcher for tenth year herm winningham for herm lonni smith not light hit horror field doesn count gari redu redu light hit stole base close op career lhp dion jame qualifi daryl boston slug for straight year worst hitter park colorado player thi year make ten you count time spent denver and buffalo and hawaii white sox vinc coleman yeah final start decent obp coleman assum make never perceiv weak offens led six year major cecil espi willi wilson wilson overr hit time six year stretch and led leagu tripl time can count plai oti nixon delux slightli wors defens gari petti leagu thi year can count major oti nixon syndrom milt thompson not spectacular light hit ten year man gari varsho halfwai and make admit take quick brows major leagu handbook and time light hit black outfield lou brock and curt flood cesar geronimo cesar cedeno brock suffer oti nixon diseas wasn perceiv light hit curt flood cesar cedeno not light hit note gui not reach year close likewis for list and predict milt cuyler steal lot base ted frank thf kimbark uchicago edu card moop law school standard disclaim
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rec.sport.baseball	jack morri maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write qvag innsvo lynx unm edu kbo carina unm edu mitchel bose write articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write you had lee your team last year you wear ring thi year manni lee your team last year your team toronto blue jai team albuquerqu leftturn manni lee team not wear ring manni lee team manni lee your team last year your team not albuquerqu leftturn toronto blue jai that albuquerqu leftturn last year you possibl team manni lee team last year manni lee wasn team last year complet unfound specul state that team manni lee last year team toronto blue jai sinc and lee weren team you cannot possibl object state team had team greg
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rec.sport.baseball	base load walk red win articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write articl mssc netcom mss netcom mark singer write quot for futur refer shown consist past perform split even match hit pitch style will give advantag us properli predict futur predict that sabo like hit samuel believ two thing sabo like samuel hit that good long run leav sabo expect actual outcom fact you don perez had mind left sabo support swap you predict opposit fact don claim that can predict futur futur event can that trend due whether not identifi and will continu and not dismiss your work state opinion you that your work render opinion contrari invalid that retent that opinion kind insult your work you awar exist you claim incap understand suspect you simpli unwil you forcefulli state opposit you don work worth read you feel topic import thi insult insult peopl opinion kind silli mark didn call you total idiot call your work stupid simpli state that didn chang opinion subject not that consist skill that indic perform set circumst thi beef not proven indic futur perform circumst that come you indic futur perform your secret player hit tuesdai and and mark believ that indic that will hit tuesdai season you respond point you admit that variabl not you thi gui mondai night see sport shrink tuesdai morn vitamin shot mondai night thi that true gui doesn mean that will meaning correl for entir leagu dai week that doesn mean can make predict base that for that player that season end that chri sabo bat averag clutch situat will significantli lower bat averag clutch situat can prove that will happen guess wait and thi simpli predict for chri sabo for thi year thi predict for batter past year hit xxx amount wors clutch predict for player don batter anoth for you joe carter bat averag clutch situat significantli below bat averag clutch situat each year presum you thi random not into case analysi you can find hit poorli and hit poorli you can find hit poorli and hit that exactli mark find hitter that correl and whether can make predict for hitter base past perform major leagu ballplay make that joe carter bat averag clutch not high clutch situat gambler fallaci reason expect consist huh gambler fallaci whether you can reason for correl not you can deni that exist you can make argument that you don like continu exist you can reason for exist run prove noth can you give reason expect clutch correl year detail studi post recent neg clutch correl argument line star player split will advers condit late in close game oppos manag will bring pitcher face manag will not pull for don you can deni for total idiot you prove unwil even evid that suggest that you wrong term fit nice term fit you open mind you shoe fit will you wear open mind rudi
rec.sport.baseball	twin updat paul csd csd uwm edu paul krueger write articl apr sctc macomb sctc chuck macomb write wednesdai game mark oppos left hand start pitcher for twin thi year rickei bone nice post chuck you made mistak bone hand pitcher hrbek grand slam graehm lloyd lefti salti mistak chuck
rec.sport.baseball	winfield spot time great team articl blue ci pitt edu dtate pitt edu david tate write articl wewd kto murdoch acc virginia edu drw delmarva evsc virginia edu david robert walker write articl blue ci pitt edu dtate pitt edu david tate write ield time can quick scan last night for player peak compar winfield quick dirti subject judgement you make good case for ruth aaron ott robinson clement kalin mari klein jackson waner and thi not knock winfield comment consist player had awesom stretch and good stretch winfield uniformli excel hall fame absolut top peak not top total career almost point winfield peak year
rec.sport.baseball	winfield sb hr articl mjone fenwai mjone fenwai aix kingston ibm mike jone write dan fore csd sgi dan steinman write last night giant met radio broadcast hank and ted discuss fact that player had hit homerun and stolen base career hojo bat list not easi sound come couldn mai mantl aaron henderson morgan bond dad frank robinson molitor yount guess interest list watch your line length not autowrap second franklin rescu list player aaron mai frobinson rjackson winfield dawson baylor bobond wynn strawberri morgan pinson yount kgibson sandberg player mark activ number that rickei henderson list georg brett list surpris reggi bayor and wynn for steal morgan lot peopl for homer kind surpris realiz that sandberg that steal wasn surpris that number mike jone aix high end develop mjone donald aix kingston ibm dream real last can life havelock elli
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri franjion spot colorado edu john franjion write valentin not cordial roger maynard complet and total dickhead send mail you insist detail fact complet and total dickhead newsgroup thi and rec sport hockei sinc hockei season almost back dickhead fact suggest that roger discuss footbal pro thi kind hormon reason standard canadian and hockei suggest that work import thread that involv us bodi part produc post brain organ choic bonvicini bonvicin cernvm cern
rec.sport.baseball	babe pitch babe ruth lifetim pitch stat select era sho rat year bo era led leagu bo era steve thornton stevet eskimo
rec.sport.baseball	rel player kime apr mongoos torolab ibm mjone fenwai organ eskimo north eskimo yeah morri win that lost for detroit funni win lot game pitch good team lose lot pitch bad and ring criteria for success team tend repeat and eventu you team win bleepin year sort yank morri decent pitcher downsid good not great career toronto will finish thi year morri and ring pitch staff destroi season steve thornton stevet eskimo
rec.sport.baseball	time peak player articl apr alleg edu luriem alleg edu michael luri liber write interest gehrig below bond and schmidt ricki henderson steal base hit stat not even close dimmagio uhhhh winfield henderson stat closer dimaggio you jim mann stratu comput jmann vineland pub stratu
rec.sport.baseball	box score abbrev woe articl apr scott skidmor edu jrogoff scott skidmor edu jai rogoff write can figur box score abbrevi make absolut sens local gannett rag that find door stare cleman met box for good second thi morn wonder hell wouldn make sens us colemn colmn blame associ press offici scorer balanc offici score card copi and give diffent peopl person job type templat laptop and transmit offic york rockefel center telephon box score not check and rebroadcast new deliveri servic correct issu person sit front laptop shea whereev fault that note put boxscor format you newspap last week denver person denver thi rememb start mlb check tomorrow paper and person shea thing scott barman met mail list feed into your shell scott asd mail met request asd subscrib met
rec.sport.baseball	jewish basebal player articl apr blurt oswego edu ind blurt oswego edu write that rusti staub jewish ball player rust staub not jewish fact father minist scott barman met mail list feed into your shell scott asd mail met request asd subscrib met
rec.sport.baseball	jewish basebal player articl apr princeton edu roger astro princeton edu roger lustig write articl psm jwt oau org bb comarow jwt oau org write dave kingman jewish sez sez dave kingman us for rosh hashanna and yom kippur dai coincid season scott barman met mail list feed into your shell scott asd mail met request asd subscrib met
rec.sport.baseball	home for bosox articl apr scott skidmor edu jrogoff scott skidmor edu jai rogoff write multipurpos subject not forget shea design accommod met jet stadium box seat roller orient angl for basebal parallel for footbal minor point shea stadium design multi purpos stadium not jet mind tennant york footbal giant had move yanke stadium polo ground and problem stadium manag citi not yanke stadium idea giant move into shea deal work giant and yanke afl franchis york titan approach citi stadium titan plai down stadium cosmo plai soccer shea stadium ti into world fair citi thought idea promot franchis and world fair met deal work jet jersei and good footbal stadium met saddl multipurpos stadium circular seat almost action met announc kiner murphi hype beauti shea stadium tipoff unbeauti impress that murph mean regular goer shea not bad place sinc clean and renov place rememb thi year scott barman met mail list feed into your shell scott asd mail met request asd subscrib met
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rec.sport.baseball	tiger win pitch duel true cold damp night last night tiger stadium dave well david haa bob macdonald and mike henneman combin for victori texa ranger highlight texa detroit well get win era and henneman get save chanc ken roger start for ranger and get loss reliev burn ranger run solo home run dean palmer tiger open score rbi singl fryman lead for good bottom seventh whitak greet reliev burn rbi doubl score tettleton whitak turn cross plate rbi singl phillip red hot for tiger run thi afternoon anoth battl southpaw bill krueger for tiger craig leffert for ranger randi toronto blue jai fan for well and macdonald gui big tiger pitch staff
rec.sport.baseball	geronimo pena articl avinnb cronkit central sun bobn hawkwind central sun bob netherton write articl apr eagl wesleyan edu dhart eagl wesleyan edu write hei notic that lui alicea start for cardin geronimo pena pena hurt bench for poor perform quick start pena stuck rut torr gave alicea start pena funk work past and work pena for last night colorado dave spencer mead data central miamisburg ohio ggggg oooo dave meaddata ggggg oooo ttt rrr iii bbb eee rrr bbb eee iii bbb eee
rec.sport.baseball	speed game margin realist articl mit edu ejb mit edu baranoski write articl apr vfl paramax davidm gvl vfl paramax david madden write anoth pair suggest remov balk rule runner respons stai safe matter pitcher quit honestli thi ridicul scenario runner pitcher start throw home runner take for home and batter squar bunt for suicid squeez pitcher thi not throw home stop mid action and put runner run balk rule that prevent thi happen not thi happen onc oba ontario basebal associ game milton ontario batter and amaz umpir miss year that plai ball thi worst piec umpir pablo iglesia ruth ec jhu edu
rec.sport.baseball	bosox win seattl last night boston red sox win game game beat seattl roger clemson pitch not domin walk man inn valetin and greenwel hit homerun and red sox prevail that game win for red sox seattl darwin will face seattl ac randi johnson tonight
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri articl apr newshub ariel yorku ariel yorku shawn luddington write acker ring that even acker ring wife marri blue jai had such strong offens don that morri thi magic abil offens player score run don you gui bicker morri stat show mediocr pitcher thi year anoth case happen win game game last year pitch good game thi crap clutch pitcher nonsens constantli give ahead run in clutch in and jai scrape win for anoth major factor win that cito dont realiz bullpen gaston leav morri for give chanc win game thi major reason won game last year barri walker bnr ottawa canada opinion
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rec.sport.baseball	homerun last year willi mcgee matthew philli fierc line drive that rise hit second deck facad vet willi mcgee had homerun last year eric
rec.sport.baseball	basebal spanish articl edu icop csa edu antonio pera write recent heard red sox wrol spanish speak radio station thought unreal red sox spanish want find widespread thi nativ scmet spanish not yankm wuold that texa and fla spanish spanish speak network thi local brave dai game broadcast spanish station call favorita station daytim liscenc minardi michael georgia institut technolog atlanta georgia decvax hplab ncar purdu rutger gatech prism internet prism gatech edu
rec.sport.baseball	bosox win seattl articl jxu black clarku edu jxu black clarku edu dark wing duck write last night boston red sox win game game beat seattl roger clemson pitch not domin walk man inn fair walk batter allow hit for extra base run pretti good out told that game win for red sox seattl darwin will face seattl ac randi johnson tonight such thing win game thi earli season and can hope that darwin pitch cheer valentin
rec.sport.baseball	todd worrel updat articl time todd worrel will not readi come list fridai sound had anoth set back come back present stop throw ball supposedli had veloc doesn sound time tabl thi point for will back dodger
rec.sport.baseball	hbp big cat stevet eskimo steven thornton write offici mlb formula for obp hit walk hit pitch divid bat walk hit pitch sacrific fli sac bunt and error effect sourc total basebal and error record for exampl ground ball batter offici hitless bat type error greenwel let singl doesn effect obp error count cuz
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rec.sport.baseball	jeff king suck second guess pirat ken ziolkowski transarc write hope for season buc wish cough doug hope for barri bond jeff king suck check thi latest mcweekli slg obp rbi jeff king jose lind jeff had hit last two game and walk ken jeff king power mean slg won below and walk that increas real jeff king will averag baseman jose lind hand doesn walk and isn hitter bet that won get extra base onc start pull lind shift predict buffalo releas outright sinc lavallier weird noth surpris jeff king top leagu walk jking
rec.sport.baseball	geronimo pena articl ejr meaddata meaddata dave meaddata dave spencer write articl avinnb cronkit central sun bobn hawkwind central sun bob netherton write articl apr eagl wesleyan edu dhart eagl wesleyan edu write hei notic that lui alicea start for cardin geronimo pena pena hurt bench for poor perform quick start pena stuck rut torr gave alicea start pena funk work past and work pena for last night colorado open thi for sabermetr flame war question notion that sit rest player real effect long term perform man tire and real rest take break construct act perhap man mental strain sit extent that that help relax suggest that long run player slump and bench irrelev paul collacchi
rec.sport.baseball	hbp big cat articl rec sport basebal healei qucdn queensu roger healei wrote origin poster want big cat look saturdai game montreal apr that rocki won haven paid attent gallarraga sinc left expo stanc stand erect and open left foot point base wonder thi recent chang stanc for andr had glare weak hitter fool curv ball low and thi stanc for not fool easili stanc don baylor bat coach loui last year and manag continu work andr weak left ey and open stanc ball simpli improv mechan dunno chang enabl hit ball year ago select not chang gregg basebal ncar ucar edu colorado rocki
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard that player anoth solut that player team plai player lineup sheer specul imposs ascertain thi logic conclus imposs ascertain whether not hitter roberto alomar pitcher juan guzman center fielder devon white blue jai can you prove that wouldn won world seri and you mister maynard for your faith athelet prowess can assur you that your faith misplac bob vesterman
rec.sport.baseball	usa mcweekli stat articl apr mnemosyn edu gspira nyx edu greg spira rvesterm vma edu write articl franjion spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu john franjion impress read thi group and bill jame that elia bunch monei grub jerk mission charg can for basebal statist info and bill jame not yeah you bill jame player rate book bill jame doesn sell statist sell book statist not busi provid stat elia stat how basebal workshop etc greg funni that stat major leagu and minor leagu handbook noth collect statist author bill jame and stat inc and how for minor leagu handbook and not bill jame player rate book qualifi book statist elia analyst statist book analyst contain stat contain dialogu final point not word statist monei grub don look bill jame player rate book cannot monei grub bob vesterman
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rec.sport.baseball	yanke thought articl apr clam sam steamer clam sam mandelbaum agreement that yanke final move direct finish thi year and even pennent race august back move jim abbott trade bleagh thi terrif trade snow will mattingli futur that defens opinion abbott great pitcher game todai wade bogg not thi that good that pre bogg kick hay meulen whoever ass and that bogg isn that shabbi bad that yanke expect pre bogg and will bogg plai bogg hay bam bam spike owen you full agreement not that velard and silvestri lock enjoi fact that spike not nicknam not that thi help yanke danni tartabul strongli disagre hundr game tartabul and sixti game dion jame game jame bob vesterman
rec.sport.baseball	basemen articl apr tesla njit edu drm tesla njit edu don mattingli baseman histori basebal will bob vesterman
rec.sport.baseball	pitcher save mikef bvc edu write articl apr newshub ariel yorku ariel yorku geoffrei dia write subject line rule that qualifi pitcher make save imho thi untrustworthi silli stat todai rule basebal understand qualifi save pitcher cannot pitch in and potenti ty run deck circl lead pitcher enter cannot exced run thi phenomenon work readi fire aim astound number time peopl post strong opinion thing not don understand publicli admit not understand fact plausibl argument that save ration stat win for record two wai that reliev can save finish game and enter game ty run base bat deck pitch in effect pitcher not win and save game that offici scorer assert author determin winner saver etc for instanc pitcher can come ninth lead blow lead fall team come back half in and earn win thi pitcher earn win thi argument that win dumb stat not save gui pitch strong in middl relief and teammat ralli tie score assum start fourth and left eighth teammat hold opposit scoreless ninth and score run bottom ninth win pitcher earn win and middl reliev get stat satisfact thi doesn support your claim save begin your post mike jone aix high end develop mjone donald aix kingston ibm conceptu integr import consider system design frederick brook mythic man month
rec.sport.baseball	pitcher save articl apr newshub ariel yorku ariel yorku geoffrei dia write subject line rule that qualifi pitcher make save save opportun in and batter deck can tie win ball game for exampl bottom in and clemen pithch red sox lead and clemen givin hit man batter and batter deck tie game homer jeff russel red sox reliev and finish game allow tie lose run score save and clemen win that beleiv work hope cowboi
rec.sport.baseball	denni martinez lot talk jack morri horribl start denni martinez last check era ageless final show ag start season slowli plan start tonight hope come feedback outlook rest denni martinez season advanc mike
rec.sport.baseball	ugliest stanc ugliest swing articl thz world std tac world std tackei chan write ugliest swing not ugliset stanc jolio franco ranger that bat come time hit ball bad hei job tac ugliest stanc time oscar gambl man practic kneel front home plate order small strike zone lucki that strike zone size isn determin big your afro outta vladimir alan
rec.sport.baseball	winfield articl apr alleg edu luriem alleg edu michael luri liber write you mail address luri afraid can short version work case winfield career mere didn beat thi sixth year major and top onc sinc peak earli and includ impress season had scatter great perform and not smooth career curv cheer valentin
rec.sport.baseball	bosox smoke seattl articl apr galileo rochest edu uhura rochest edu wizard write jxu black clarku edu jxu black clarku edu dark wing duck write had respond bosox boast bosox win red sox fan can never your mind huh excit sox win you worri that you that not true fan sox fan and iv sox fan that sox fan true fan excit greenwel horribl johnson care sox darwin start marin sox record basebal lost darn johnson qualiti pitcher and not qualiti marin pitcher log expect congratulatori note for chri bosio hitter nari peep thi opportun note that red feet and slink town score run last two game even hit last night gem not that fan can compar suffer follow england long run tragedi win season histori burden bear joi can marin two hit pitcher staff and not coincident pitcher beat red sox back back game jsh steve hendrick domain steveh thor isc thing data cut uunet isc thor steveh bull hofferbert bell
rec.sport.baseball	jewish basebal player articl apr asd scott asd scott barman write articl apr princeton edu roger astro princeton edu roger lustig write articl psm jwt oau org bb comarow jwt oau org write dave kingman jewish sez sez dave kingman us for rosh hashanna and yom kippur dai coincid season problem dave kingman take rosh hashana yom kippur easter dai elvi di entir spring train month ramadan purim juli game that dai birthdai world seri never had plai memori dai game that dai gui run fresh holidai that coincid basebal season and catalogu dai career that dave kingman bat awol complet religi calendar detail holidai extant religion western hemispher appreci can that dave kingman observ holidai conceiv not scott barman met mail list feed into your shell scott asd mail met request asd subscrib met jason miller doctor gui frank tanana win
rec.sport.baseball	juan gonzalez titl not real come back ten year and career juan gonzalez mark mcguir and bogu juander titl that juan will prepar hof accept speech voter will mark mcwho ken melcher type real slow mail kmelcher arco you can read fast
rec.sport.baseball	ugliest stanc ugliest swing alan anoth sepinwal write ugliest stanc time oscar gambl man practic kneel front home plate order small strike zone lucki that strike zone size isn determin big your afro agre object grow earli and plai year mario mendoza esqu leagu told that sinc hit suck walk face for team and yanke fan father bat oscar gambl and career obp not oscar fun gui watch had pretti cool basebal card and help becom leagu player histori outta vladimir alan jason miller doctor gui frank tanana win
rec.sport.baseball	mlb stand and score for wed apr mlb stand and score for wednesdai april includ yesterdai game nation west won lost pct last streak home road san francisco giant won houston astro lost atlanta brave won lo angel dodger lost san diego padr lost colorado rocki lost cincinnati red won nation east philadelphia philli won loui cardin won chicago cub won montreal expo won pittsburgh pirat lost york met lost florida marlin lost american west won lost pct last streak home road texa ranger lost california angel won minnesota twin won chicago white sox won oakland athlet won seattl marin lost kansa citi royal won american east boston red sox won detroit tiger won toronto blue jai lost york yanke lost milwauke brewer lost cleveland indian lost baltimor oriol lost yesterdai score idl team list alphabet order nation leagu american leagu houston astro chicago white sox chicago cub baltimor oriol lo angel dodger texa ranger montreal expo detroit tiger cincinnati red milwauke brewer pittsburgh pirat minnesota twin atlanta brave toronto blue jai florida marlin kansa citi royal san diego padr cleveland indian philadelphia philli california angel san francisco giant york yanke york met oakland athlet colorado rocki boston red sox loui cardin seattl marin joseph hernandez ram laker jtchern ocf berkelei edu king dodger raider jtcent soda berkelei edu angel clipper
rec.sport.baseball	john franco articl apr zeu calpoli edu jplee cymbal calpoli edu jason lee write john franco met don worri thi perfectli normal state affair had you worri heard complet recov not recov total injuri that not pitch can rest arm that can injur pitch dai rest and fun dine diamond club shea stadium struggl dai inform franco you drop line quit happi drop john franco bring back randi myer make that bring back neil allen jason lee jplee obo calpoli edu jlee cash busfac calpoli edu giant beauti equat mathemat magic for sad word tongu and pen saddest number john greenleaf whittier jason miller doctor gui tanana
rec.sport.baseball	base load walk red win articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write articl mssc netcom mss netcom mark singer write articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write for predict futur meaningless mean don find not predict futur you don want into didso didnot debat you thi somewhat heart disagr not impli that predict futur you infer that comment meant thi and you base your rebutt comment fact that statist studi demonstr that reason basi for predict futur perform regard clutch hit sabo samuel sabo hitter samuel you pinch hit samuel you predict that samuel will clutch hitter and sabo will choke hitter call that predict futur that your opinion that sabo hitter samuel data for year period end last season last season samuel bat sabo hit not park adjust thi season hit below albeit sabo bat will agre that career sabo hitter samuel will remind you that samuel hitter situat sabo not predict that sabo choke that samuel hit express opinion that had red manag even red fan that prefer samuel hit that situat sabo you red manag that time assum you had basi for let sabo hit pinch hit samuel that basi util prior perform you wouldn us thi aspect prior perform thi not correct us aspect prior perform shown consist past perform split even match hit pitch style will give advantag us properli properli even equal advantag gain past clutch perform and thi case point sabo exactli that point sabo you awar exist you claim incap understand suspect you simpli unwil you forcefulli state opposit you don work worth read you feel topic import thi insult not awar public can you email inform avail and guess apolog extens studi suppli side econom didn mean insult you never you path for contrari opinion posit regret that don abil prove that you wrong you that season end that chri sabo bat averag clutch situat will significantli lower bat averag clutch situat can prove that will happen guess wait and thi simpli predict for chri sabo for thi year thi predict for batter past year hit xxx amount wors clutch you mean you wait and second stronger statement fact suggest rule can test thi rule past data work for recent year you will agre that rule didn work last year year that thi year second your statement not mine not into case analysi you can find hit poorli and hit poorli you can find hit poorli and hit haven not finish that haven found hit significantli below bat averag clutch situat for year and revers that relationship gambler fallaci reason expect consist run prove noth can you give reason expect clutch correl year detail studi shouldn expect correl nope you interest reason expect chri sabo abil hit clutch correl year you interest reason expect joe carter abil hit clutch correl year you not interest that you that conclus valid extrapol entir basebal popul and can stupid refer statement stupid and don you can deni for total idiot you prove unwil even evid that suggest that you wrong term fit nice problem that you accept your work that predict futur clutch perform base prior clutch histori meaningless coin toss accept your work happen opinion that situat for player histori superior inferior abil hit clutch suggest reason such histori valid project futur player perform for that player and chri sabo such player term fit you open mind sinc defer your statist wisdom open mind pose question you beastmast mark singer mss netcom
rec.sport.baseball	base load walk red win articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write articl mssc netcom mss netcom mark singer write supposit that find player consist year year end bell make reason conclus player oppos basebal player thi root confus hypothet open mind note that not that question hand suppos simplifi lotto game detail explan delet you struck heart disagr rebut opinion you made analog game chanc your hypothesi assum that lotto player impact select number and abil win that true lotto absolut noth sport basebal you start wrong path you finish wrong path repeat not that statist analysi prior clutch hit perform accur predictor futur clutch hit perform that analysi prior clutch hit perform for player defici game that will provid basi for project futur perform and chri sabo such player beastmast mark singer mss netcom
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rec.sport.hockey	don cherri articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write articl mfpirbo wbli ispc andrew cmu edu william willi andrew cmu edu write person rare even don cherri and doesn don whether thi area pittsburgh usa that depriv broadcast whether canadian thing altogeth coach time and volum post sure get steadi diet question deal secondli comment that read net flame bait peopl gotta you sound ass miss for you complain don cherri and popular repli dick vital and john madden and bobbi knight and joe garagiola and howard cosel john madden pick gari clark redskin for madden team lot receiv for reason cherri sing prais doug gilmour gui heart doesn string american post that john madden lost marbl dick vital promot thi kid thi high school that colleg outrag statement american expect that canada not such charact relat greatest passion hockei canadian similar american cultur sport hockei and curl american footbal basketbal basebal and bowl gerald add that canadian hockei fan don kind hockei hockei promot appear kind that us plai team nhl kind nostagia for dai expans soviet seri gretzki and even bobbi orr gui weren afraid hit float and defensemen plai defenc care that that never exist myth canada and european fluenc game diminish peopl ey person add flame love fast pace european game and don cherri bit idiot that miss live state entertain even you end throw your popcorn screen stand misstat that made vice presid dan quayl sam donaldson nick duncan duncan mprgate mpr
rec.sport.hockey	espn articl new udel edu tmavor earthview cm udel edu write justifi rant espn coverag delet chang espn think even complain directli telephon bristol heh rec auto sport faq call espn complain you find number for abc west coast viewer compain bore hockei cut into long beach find hard that espn doesn viewer will simpli chang channel bore game and didn show nyi wash overtim livid want watch basebal turn philli padr extra in game bed angri boycot espn morn sportscent todai incens you and peopl asleep dai contract explain aspn piec paper show that basebal game happen busi payedd monei commerci run basebal game thi busi not your person video servant wife shouldn bed angri last nite grrrrrrr you put that anger into posit for exampl ad for dodg espn and kbl broadcast not write dodg that ad run stanlei cup playoff you will concid product futur love hear stuff that and futur will will bui commerci time for hockei game give espn and network incent carri game exampl come peopl great hockei not leapfrog big overight tim mavor name colleg marin studi call tim univ delawar newark you that hidden tim tmavor pandora cm udel edu monti python and holi grail
rec.sport.hockey	you pat burn mark whitten nfet cmuvm csv cmich edu write pat burn throw towel wing domin aspect game mix line dead end ranger found last year playoff late line juggl thi point gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	sabr plai agre boston good team streaki put togeth great streak captur place adam for lost home ic advantag for round and not make love sabr win round even bet bruin pack perhap start bet sabr ciao jason bittl bittl canisiu edu pillsburi dough boi quot comput
rec.sport.hockey	articl bigboot wpi edu ching bigwpi wpi edu logistician write player wear nhl rai borqu for bruin greatli appreci that phil esposito wear plai ranger thi season that put ranger crest and modern style number jersei york ranger block letter and two colour number ranger had hockei night canada made big thing biggest uniform style chang long time thi pittsburgh and vancouv chang colour dwarf jim jordan don mean you live dwarf gate bnr internet your life that for work for bnr not speak for didn jesu hell peter heath
rec.sport.hockey	nhl draft san jose will kariya that kind funni kariya campu shark hat pat elli bruin umain black bear number hockei east regular season champion hockei east tournament champion paul kariya hobei baker award winner ncaa div hockei tournament champion ggggooooooo bbbllluueeee
rec.sport.hockey	german audienc lunat articl apr ousrvr oulu golf phoenix oulu jouko kylmaoja wrote watch game germani czech todai and astonish behaviour german audienc german team penalti last period and crowd grazi threw coin extra puck and trash into rink that stupid guess canadian refere isostar bro gave german team penalti for that didn guess german proud nazi kill german suck attitud that kind attitud sport rememb european champ stockholm soccer piss not mean that singl german thi attitud that suck can understand your anger german audienc mean finnish team plai and take advantag ridicul penalti canadien ref call last period german match penalti and minut misconduct for practic noth and second that german goali two minut for delai game for shot that deflect and into crowd result skate advantag lead decid goal point german start come strong sick nation that german sport event you watch for exampl tenni davi cup match player not plai for minut crowd obnoxi admit that thi kind nation strong even stronger countri you and watch present olymp televis soccer crowd england finnish spectat nordic ski event mean make sick thi nation world and team player win and chear not mind favorit team loos that plai attract and admit that sport german nation site not favorit team watch german soccer team bore watch for exampl read post that you level crowd you critic easi talk german nazi and nationalist that kind propaganda that ultraconserv peopl us germani true that great danger aris nation germani experi peopl peopl that regard thi big threat and demonstr thi attitud can peopl human bee and not put into drawer nation russian communist american capitalist german nazi fin hang bee drunk ferri opinion your comment show narrow your mind and that you don nazi you talk thoma time hate bare time wait jerri garcia robert hunter
rec.sport.hockey	espn angri pen game pen fan central virginia kinda tough espn and plai cap close cap game espn switch cap aaaggghhh matt
rec.sport.hockey	flyer eric articl apr btree terri btree terri whalen write path netnew upenn edu newsserv jvnc net howland reston an net usc new ervic uci edu network ucsd edu btree terri terri btree terri whalen newsgroup rec sport hockei subject flyer eric messag apr btree date apr gmt refer apr lehigh edu organ brooktre corpor line articl apr lehigh edu ksc lehigh edu kevin carragh write philadelphia inquir post stat lindro goal averag goal score averag lindro goal averag goal score averag differ obviou domin player skip will becom major franchis player and bring flyer cup year will name lindro captain year recchi geoff
rec.sport.hockey	goodby good riddanc lost star accept into western busi school not dork second person countri million doesn post articl not mean that embarras canada thi network for express you feel your thought doesn agre you thi not give you call asshol north star shit mon leaf whoa lighten andrew refer you dork western busi school specif refer asshol write obnoxi comment insult state and peopl minnesota for appar reason canadian and friend attend uwo person don want associ idiot wrote messag thing andrew thi season leaf suck pretti badli last umpteen year won cup lifetim north star haven shit team norri kea
rec.sport.hockey	selfish hockei fan tuesdai rain chicago espn provid bonu hockei coverag fan tick that wash replac angel game peopl realiz that basebal fan hockei fan basebal game schedul air and advertis monei paid can skip basebal game don you peopl chill and enjoi coverag you can geoff filinuk
rec.sport.hockey	hab late quebec domin hab for period and roi thi rout blow goal canadian show nord plai dump pull back time hextal made good save thi lost period nord score had anoth canadian dead meat thi tee jacqu time you rest player forget place adam divis denni
rec.sport.hockey	upcom schedul articl qve hsdndev harvard edu nhma gauss med harvard edu mark shneyder write hei guess come espn for chang playoff doesn involv pen not that wrong that espn game thursdai game pen devil gari thorn and bill clement saturdai game cap isl tom mee and john davidson abc game sundai game pen devil gari thorn and bill clement you eastern time zone pacif will king calgari espn name broadcast team tuesdai pair tom mee plai plai john davidson analyst ppv mark nanci spera imt divis didn for fact that chevron petroleum technolog elvi work donut shop box habra beaver fall swear tel nj chevron drive thi truck scotti baldwin
rec.sport.hockey	result april etxonss ufsa ericsson staffan axelsson write forward richard zemlicka season plai for ehc freiburg germani benni benni reif email reif sun ruf uni freiburg disclaim thi text reflect opinion
rec.sport.hockey	red wing goespel unb patrick walker write detroit beat toronto grant gilmour hart trophi not lemieux gilmour for toronto you toronto come mind gilmour andreychuk potvin mentio gilmour you nhl come mind gilmour gretzki mario mention mario you gretzki you haven you you gilmour you true maynard don even select hart deserv discuss thi group brainer dvb
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain articl uupcb freddi ersi edmonton steven kipl freddi ersi edmonton steven kipl write quot cire trehguad cyt michael collingridg write and subject captain trade resign stripe titl season team captain trivia appreci kelli kisio captain ranger left for san jose ali ali procrastin lemer not real green conjunct junction columbia univers nyc dress that cruel your function phoenix ctr columbia edu barenak ladi schoolhous rock kind anim hug hockei player
rec.sport.hockey	hab late articl apr mcgill ccdb ccdb musica mcgill write quebec domin hab for period and roi thi rout blow goal canadian show nord plai dump pull back time you notic that team will charg domin defenceman nice bad schneider hurt remind chri chelio sometim speak chelio serg savard feel moron for make that trade had corson rob ramag ic gatorad bottl bench vincent damphouss decid vacat appar idea demer plai deni savard check line carbonneau savard skate and danger canadien quebec zone puck bad front time you notic that defens zone not singl nordiqu get knock disgust lebeau get past centr ic wolaninn repli team yell for penalti dammit deni savard threw montreal hit night knock sundin balanc deni savard your team enforc big troubl someplac hextal made good save thi lost period nord score had anoth that second goal roi stand head period provid forward hab won period imo and guess final smack coupl time second intermiss remind that game had start hopefulli plai that home roi made save ignor that second goal team dchhabra stpl ist grant fuhr doubter buffalo boston nuff and dale hunter playoff choker rethink that posit
rec.sport.hockey	bruin come boston hell you win row and choke bruin wale confer final pitt buffalo quebec interest not that buffalo quebec can put good fight enjoi past bruin devil you feel for terrerri devil will pull pen will lose second round not hope bruin meet
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo boston defens articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write articl apr ncsu edu delarocq eo ncsu edu derrel emeri larocqu write tonight boston buffalo sabr blank boston bruin tonight boston boston can hang thi season buffalo home record awesom thi great buffalo fan reveng for last year glad grant fuhr will never confid two win you take win defeat oppon each tougher obtain previou buffalo good start fuhr prove fuhr basher wrong boston good team gerald awesom home record not you rememb game last year aud playoff game sinc stuck buffalo boston isn give easi bungl
rec.sport.hockey	whl playoff result mondai april kamloop spokan kamloop win western final matchup kamloop portland tuesdai april game wednesdai april game thursdai april game schedul fridai april regina swift current seri kamloop portland seri saturdai april kamloop portland seri sundai april swift current regina seri whl playoff score leader april player pt jami black tacoma andi schneider swift current valeri bure spokan allan egeland tacoma dean mcammond swift current jason krywulak swift current cam danyluk medicin hat todd holt swift current tyler wright swift current mike mather kamloop jeff friesen regina rick girard swift current whl playoff lead goaltend april minimum minut player gaa scott langkow portland milan hnilicka swift current trevor robin brandon steve passmor kamloop mark dawkin red deer randi coulman ari laboratori research assist depart comput scienc univers saskatchewan coulman usask saskatoon
rec.sport.hockey	final regular season individu goali stat volunt verifi shot goal and save percentag number for can put stat archiv site contact mail you want volunt individu goali stat wed apr cst stat includ game and includ sundai previou date list verifi print newspap tuesdai don print shot and save percentag number not verifi stat mail weekdai and sometim weekend town and can late game result send note you receiv stat mail you question comment suggest randi minut plai goal shutout gaa goal averag win loss ti sog shot goal save percentag gaa sog player byron dafo har corri alessio mtl frederick chabot bo mike bale tor felix potvin chi belfour bo john blue chi jim wait pit tom barrasso stl curti joseph van kai whitmor buf dominik hasek bo andi moog cal jeff rees mtl patrick roi har mike lenarduzzi det vincent riendeau tor daren puppa det tim chevelda cal mike vernon nyi glenn heali buf grant fuhr nyr john vanbiesbrouck don beaupr min jon casei van kirk mclean chri terreri mtl andr racicot que stephan fiset phi tommi soderstrom pit ken wregget bo reggi lemelin que ron hextal nyi mark fitzpatrick win bob essensa win jim hrivnak min darci wakaluk wendel young bergeron craig billington stl gui hebert rick tabaracci buf tom draper nyr corei hirsch phi domin roussel nyr mike richter nyi danni lorenz edm bill ranford robb stauber kelli hrudei que jacqu cloutier har mario gosselin rick knickl pat jablonski artur irb har sean burk edm ron tugnutt ott daniel berthiaum phi stephan beauregard ott peter sidorkiewicz cal andrei trefilov har frank pietrangelo win mike neill wade flaherti jeff hackett brian hayward tor rick wamslei olaf kolzig ott darrin madelei ott steve week david goverd david littman randi coulman ari laboratori research assist depart comput scienc univers saskatchewan coulman usask saskatoon
rec.sport.hockey	final regular season team goali stat volunt verifi shot goal and save percentag number for can put stat archiv site contact mail you want volunt team goali stat wed apr cst stat includ game and includ sundai previou date list verifi print newspap tuesdai don print shot and save percentag number not verifi you question comment suggest randi minut plai goal shutout gaa goal averag win loss ti sog shot goal save percentag gaa sog player chi belfour chi jim wait chi tor daren puppa tor felix potvin tor grant fuhr tor rick wamslei tor bo mike bale bo john blue bo andi moog bo reggi lemelin bo pit tom barrasso pit ken wregget pit stl curti joseph stl gui hebert stl van kai whitmor van kirk mclean van det vincent riendeau det tim chevelda det mtl frederick chabot mtl patrick roi mtl andr racicot mtl cal jeff rees cal mike vernon cal andrei trefilov cal byron dafo rick tabaracci don beaupr jim hrivnak olaf kolzig min jon casei min darci wakaluk min buf dominik hasek buf grant fuhr buf daren puppa buf tom draper buf nyi glenn heali nyi mark fitzpatrick nyi danni lorenz nyi que stephan fiset que ron hextal que jacqu cloutier que chri terreri craig billington nyr john vanbiesbrouck nyr corei hirsch nyr mike richter nyr phi tommi soderstrom phi domin roussel phi stephan beauregard phi win bob essensa win jim hrivnak win rick tabaracci win mike neill win wendel young bergeron pat jablonski david littman edm bill ranford edm ron tugnutt edm robb stauber kelli hrudei rick knickl david goverd har corri alessio har mike lenarduzzi har mario gosselin har sean burk har frank pietrangelo har ott daniel berthiaum ott peter sidorkiewicz ott darrin madelei ott steve week ott artur irb wade flaherti jeff hackett brian hayward randi coulman ari laboratori research assist depart comput scienc univers saskatchewan coulman usask saskatoon
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri lmarsha cm wayn edu lauri marshal write don nicknam grape not don us coach boston bruin don exactli that fill thi info that name grape coach for bruin minor us chew grape get dehydr game dog blue name like labatt beer that
rec.sport.hockey	grant fuhr lead sabr apr newshub ist dchhabra stpl ist deepak chhabra write articl apr wuecl wustl edu jca cec wustl edu joseph charl achkar write buffalo seri boston and reason grant fuhr fuhr playoff hungri and prove onc call monei goaltend fuhr not goaltend leagu anymor statist prove that can make big save time leaf fuhr and had chanc powerhous detroit andreychok game applaud sabr for make deal fuhr specif thought win playoff seri don leaf can fault noth that felix won win playoff seri year come agre joseph felix potvin great goali thought that leaf protect goali come expans draft rid good goali and good forward return
rec.sport.hockey	radio station messg mon apr greania texa mitr org steve greania wrote not cabl and night cap don plai tune game list radio station broadcast game for nhl team can rememb offhand kdka pittsburgh penguin wabc jersei devil wbbm chicago blackhawk wjm detroit redw kmox loui blue flyer that can ted benjamin card cav tedb tyrel msfc nasa gov blue vol brown line sig can cramp art
rec.sport.hockey	articl bigboot wpi edu ching bigwpi wpi edu logistician write player wear nhl rai borqu for bruin greatli appreci pierr turgeon form sabr and isl wear buffalo tom gwitt gwittt alleg edu
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo articl afpiknm wbli isj andrew cmu edu william willi andrew cmu edu you never appreci bob errei ring sparkl that locker room and correct wrong net not mail don mail wasn boston buffalo last year boston lost and home and won and buffalo win game will advanc simpl that robbi pgh penguin come natur patrick divis semi time record you wait for penguin devil season win streak possibl don you penguin lead playoff win streak strong resembl
rec.sport.hockey	pwter forsberg can give stat forsrg world championship sao mail freenet victoria tom moffat victoria canada
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question watch penguin devil game last night slash that barrasso neck thi brought mind goaltend had jugular vein cut skate sabr not posit rememb name happen sinc player skate cut goali name info thi happen hockei game carol pen
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo sabr articl msuinfo msu edu vergolin euler lb msu edu david vergolini write buffalo fan red wing fan amaz sabr beat bruin reason for thi grant fuhr mogilni and lafontain hear you sinc not sabr two word grant fuhr tom gwitt gwittt alleg edu
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question articl apr sei cmu edu caj sei cmu edu carol jarosz write watch penguin devil game last night slash that barrasso neck thi brought mind goaltend had jugular vein cut skate sabr not posit rememb name happen sinc player skate cut goali name info that clint malarchuk that danger accid di ic plai sinc don plai not posit sabr time don skate into thi happen hockei game rememb coupl season malarchuk incid borj salm toronto fell creas and skate into face that lot stich fix carol pen liam toronto start
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rec.sport.hockey	buffalo articl ltdi pinn appserv eng sun mre teal eng sun mike eisler write articl rap psuvm psu edu robbi rap psuvm psu edu write articl afpiknm wbli isj andrew cmu edu william willi andrew cmu edu you never appreci bob errei ring sparkl that locker room and correct wrong fuhr ring sparkl errei and doesn bob ring sparkl pressbox errei coupl game hip injuri valeri hammerl john lift pat board grab hammerl acsu buffalo edu hand and start run pwpz ubvm buffalo edu faster and faster want learn that feel and learn skate lafontain
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rec.sport.hockey	espn don post messag thi get sick espn show last minut hockei game score ti and cut and can show you thi show basebal tonight not even game friggin highlight show gee nice isl cap overtim live pittsburgh pen fan hockei get lot coverag can imagin cap fan resid texa feel
rec.sport.hockey	leaf crush blue win flame back articl apr wuecl wustl edu jca cec wustl edu joseph charl achkar write articl vzhivov cunew vzhivov alfr carleton vladimir zhivov write blue led goali nhl thi season curti joseph shut hawk blue plai clutch grab shoot puck incred bore watch work final blue fan agre that joseph great goali win vezina thi year share barrasso shadow mario amaz perform that joseph had great year and consid for vezina barrasso and joseph two strongest candid thi year don hype that roi belfour and potvin receiv for goaltend that great net curti tommi fuhr net thi year playoff big name tender strong defens front and goaltend credit face shot game reli joseph save goali face shot joseph barrasso face jai quebec and that mclean and mention candid for thi year vezina partial joseph and barrasso thi season john huber aka jai penguin stanlei cup champion softwar engin institut pirat east champion sei mastercraft boat for ski
rec.sport.hockey	espn geoff filinuk filinuk staff dcc upenn edu wrote thi come indirectli morgani work studio for espn hockei text delet espn contractu oblig show basebal and not broadcast hockei game year espn will introduc basebal fan can watch basebal and hockei fan can watch hockei hadn heard thi espn thi network suppos start sound great long cabl offer tom huot huot crai
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question articl apr sei cmu edu caj sei cmu edu carol jarosz write watch penguin devil game last night slash that barrasso neck thi brought mind goaltend had jugular vein cut skate sabr not posit rememb name happen sinc player skate cut goali name info thi happen hockei game clint malarchuk neck cut uw krupp skate happen buffalo can you krupp defend oppos attack charg net malarchuk fourth goali hasek puppa and draper suffer obsess compuls disord plai san diego for sabr coach rick dudlei krupp plai for island lafontain turgeon trade win patrick ferrel qldp ubvm buffalo edu state univers york buffalo fundament wrong univers aka jai walker wwivnet arthur dent
rec.sport.hockey	sabr bruin note improb for bruin stuff nightmar for sabr tast heaven for time sinc sabr won game seri last time game victori canadien take work thi time sabr readi put extra work heel shutout that boston home ic advantag sabr back overtim win wasn easi wasn pretti work john blue nod for boston supplant andi moog start goaltend moog pull midwai game tuesdai buffalo start goal mogilni fourth playoff powerplai boston don sweenei and gord robert box lafontain and hawerchuk had assist goal number two khmylev playoff pretti goal score sabr stole puck and pass open and wait khmylev smehlik and hannan assist determin not shut boston talli shot rai bourqu powerplai colin patterson and bob sweenei box period two scoreless split penalti two club boston smolinski courtesi oat buffalo resecur lead two minut bruin bob sweenei khmylev and carnei neeli ti game send into overtim last year overtim meant bruin win last night spell sweet reveng buffalo score rai bourqu penalti box tip khmylev hawerchuk and lafontain minut into overtim team finish shot power plai convers boston buffalo refere rob shick comment shick pocket whistl allow lot clutch and grab buffalo penalti kill unit fantast mogilni check grant miss onc and flung bodi into board check thi idea mogilni crowd unbeliev don heard crowd that loud aud for sabr game rememb plai for cup don rememb and game doug bodger postgam interview note that hawerchuk crowd loud even shout didn matter sabr and even muckler great yuri khmylev didn realiz that game star and didn skate name call sweenei and fuhr each yuri made appear san jersei ask interview whether knew big goal that respon interpret and that even interpret digress interview doesn speak english not understand playoff huh valeri hammerl john lift pat board grab hammerl acsu buffalo edu hand and start run pwpz ubvm buffalo edu faster and faster want learn that feel and learn skate lafontain
rec.sport.hockey	montreal versu quebec articl msuinfo msu edu vergolin euler lb msu edu david vergolini write montreal quebec game yesterdai tight last second period overtim roi and hextal plai god montreal won deserv get goal overtim wave puck hit high stick second goal overtim replai not montreal player kick puck not direct stick montreal back into seri dave vergolini michigan state univers vergolin euler lb msu edu replai show that win goal for montreal skate quebec defenceman check kirk muller front hextal
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rec.sport.hockey	leaf wing agre rob shick suck big time thing last night game boston buffalo
rec.sport.hockey	potvin stick noth wrong felix problem that didn dino hard time felix aim for ankl leaf
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo sabr quot bill gregori hei that game thought sabr look that you describ boston that look weak and unsur even big bruin win game that prove lucki sabr game and bad that boston isn put fight that seri playoff boston will come smoke two game and that buffalo will end seri game six back buffalo and island capit and will win seri clobber penguin elimin devil game cannot sad beat penguin thi year and will cup afraid talk steve find girl fault prais girl friend blue wave qwk
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo boston defens articl tgh lfi hsdndev harvard edu nhma gauss med harvard edu mark shneyder write harri and buttkiss milburi will never admit that screw major brought dumbest peopl busi brian sutter sutter playoff record head coach loui speak for blue chanc advanc second round thi year grant fuhr thi lot coach brian sutter gerald
rec.sport.hockey	hockei guest spot articl apr mcgill jbe jbe musicb mcgill write manon rheaum letterman sept english terribl that letterman cheap shot shot funni uncal for contrari thought dave and accent ockei passion gerald
rec.sport.hockey	wjr boston john girash write for red wing fan boston thought letcha that desper for new game wjr walkman and succeed night recept you can wjr long problem that and belov contractu oblig wjr will tiger basebal wing playoff game for half game wing plai for thi seri tonight game and game and necessai will bump ron and major goal leav presid set thing worri get bore read problem paper decad decad want peopl deal problem presid bill clinton
rec.sport.hockey	sabr fan can sabr fan final take sabr sweater moth ball and proudli wear year playoff frustrat and game nil guess pretti good bet not team that come back deficit sinc thi year don throw moth ball roi
rec.sport.hockey	wing new and playoff thought wrote feel juri tim chevelda playoff goali averag playoff last year had horribl start plai great last ten game bench gaa even horribl start last year thi year plai detroit win cup wasn sharp game didn thought look pretti good yesterdai charl hubbert write great write wing toronto seri agre that you chevi shouldn shot point goal mikorov that wing good and chevi hold not great chevi soft goal didn matter recent histori inconsist plai come big count score goal you mention score period look toronto come back chevi except can barraso style playoff goali inconsist noth line come big need guess find ron and major goal leav presid set thing worri get bore read problem paper decad decad want peopl deal problem presid bill clinton
rec.sport.hockey	hockei guest spot articl rec sport hockei sclark epa utoronto susan clark ask gui answ bit trivia hockeplay appear major talk show letterman carson leno arsenio etc show nation natur includ canadian equival you can thi can includ nhl olymp and world champion ship player pretti gretzki and lemieux wonder not celebr player game tod hartj plai for harvard colleg and plai ahl initi for moncton and for provid daryl turner for updat appear david letterman show two year ago tod distinct american born player and plai soviet union thi arrang jet mike smith tod plai moncton time european player come north america plai nhl tod spent year plai russia and plai russian player enter nhl last two year wrote book experi call red line check and appear letterman show talk mike note hope fact straight year sinc read tod book want dig book doubl check realiz lent friend and hasn return book wait til hold
rec.sport.hockey	montreal versu quebec articl msuinfo msu edu vergolin euler lb msu edu david vergolini wrote montreal quebec game yesterdai tight last second period overtim roi and hextal plai god montreal won deserv get goal overtim wave puck hit high stick second goal overtim replai not montreal player kick puck not direct stick montreal back into seri overhead replai pretti show that quebec defend deflect puck plai offici not time make thi call for goal pretti controversi agre that great game good roi and damphouss back into form hopefulli sign good thing come paul valin tel bell northern research email pavalin bnr box station ottawa ontario canada opinion
rec.sport.hockey	bowman credit game pen devil seri impress time and time pure talent pen jagr maceachern and barrasso fun watch element thi team unnot scotti bowman despit brook lunat comment and despit devil line chang adantag last night game bowman cool and devil dark grant hell dweller had pen bottl for last night bowman eventu configur line job abil throw and strategi moment notic incred bowman terrif abil read player individu basi last night for instanc realiz that speed jagr straka and maceachern throw devil balanc result straka receiv shift averag jagr plai almost entir game puck and maceachern score goal complement jagr time night abil commit player crucial situat commend coach such talent team simpli reli talent domin and bring success can replac geniu and optim badger bob johnson bowman made perman not mark pittsburgh
rec.sport.hockey	roger feel for knowledg hockei observ explain thi year playoff mean superior toronto team center and goali leagu lose stand misstat that made vice presid dan quayl sam donaldson nick duncan duncan mprgate mpr
rec.sport.hockey	nhl playoff result for game plai nhl playoff result for confer semi final patrick adam norri smyth buf lead stl lead win pit lead bo chi van lead nyi lead mon tor ti que lead det lead cal quebec nordiqu lead seri montreal canadien period que sundin gusarov period mon muller damphouss bellow period overtim mon damphouss bellow desjardin powerplai opportun nordiqu canadien shot goal nordiqu canadien quebec nordiqu hextal shot save montreal canadien roi shot save att pittsburgh penguin lead seri jersei devil period njd guerin pit mceachern straka period njd holik steven period pit lemieux murphi ramsei pit taglianetti lonei tippett pit murphi franci tocchet njd semak zelepukin powerplai opportun penguin devil shot goal penguin devil pittsburgh penguin barrasso shot save jersei devil billington shot save att boston bruin buffalo sabr lead seri period buf mogilni lafontain hawerchuk buf khmylev smehlik hannan bo bourqu oat donato period period bo smolinski oat buf sweenei khmylev carnei bo neeli oat shaw overtim buf khmylev hawerchuk lafontain powerplai opportun bruin sabr shot goal bruin sabr boston bruin blue shot save buffalo sabr fuhr shot save att washington capit york island lead seri period nyi thoma burridg cavallini period carpent ridlei bondra period elynuik carpent ridlei nyi thoma turgeon king nyi turgeon thoma hogu overtim nyi ferraro hogu flatlei powerplai opportun capit island shot goal capit island washington capit tabaracci shot save york island heali shot save att spike
rec.sport.hockey	potvin and stick articl sscl uwo sscl uwo write dino get shot front net expect thi playoff hockei you lose game regular season and not bad you lose game playoff and difficult thing overcom watch hockei and plai for number year and haven post season game forward front net not finish bruis back leg leaf not good job clear net and potvin forc matter into hand rememb cicarelli us plai for london knight ohl nuisanc front net and goali except thi complain thi morn paper happen last night lot bellyach team and complain whack happen thing front billi smith younger ron hextal dino two artif leg dino part game and lucki star that playoff and good chanc final agre that you stand front net that you expect hit and hack gener you expect finish game bruis fine line hack gui caus pain and discomfort and blatantli attempt injur anoth player felix potvin imo cross that line wednesdai that two hander ciccarelli line lost lot respect for potvin that show immatur not slash ciccarelli simpli remov slot area legal posit for dino slash attempt injur shear frustrat leaf support support not leaf fan disappoint you mention billi smith and ron hextal philli dai cross that line time and for that reason fan and player dislik that name come exampl talk issu hope that felix doesn that hate even dino admit don hurt such careless intent us stick gari
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question articl bqn acsu buffalo edu qldp ubvmsd buffalo edu real kneebit write articl apr sei cmu edu caj sei cmu edu carol jarosz write watch penguin devil game last night slash that barrasso neck thi brought mind goaltend had jugular vein cut skate sabr not posit rememb name happen sinc player skate cut goali name info thi happen hockei game clint malarchuk neck cut uw krupp skate happen buffalo can you krupp defend oppos attack charg net not krupp skate krupp defend steve tuttl blue sort trip and fell malarchuk and tuttl skate peril close cut miss jugular malarchuk immedi fell ic hand neck blood ic malarchuk fourth goali hasek puppa and draper suffer obsess compuls disord plai san diego for sabr coach rick dudlei suffer for decad wasn diagnos for didn sleep for ten dai and decid alcohol sleep put ulcer medicin dai earlier amaz last long ocd suffer stop distinguish line realiti and imagin fail accept that check for exampl ocd sufferr can wash hand and and dirti check oven ten time turn movi and automat assum situat for life malarchuk dramat decreas medicin take thi past winter and had bad ocd episod and hospit for coupl dai felt slow reflex event aliv and and live san diego plai gull ihl krupp plai for island lafontain turgeon trade and tuttl longer blue don possibl ihl you blue fan valeri hammerl john lift pat board grab hammerl acsu buffalo edu hand and start run pwpz ubvm buffalo edu faster and faster want learn that feel and learn skate lafontain
rec.sport.hockey	oiler for sale mill oiler move hamilton porklington can free deal labour relat and puck sigh relief thi can can element dave shariff yadalle econ math alberta yadal amisk ualberta god save queen god bless rememb jesu save live etern damnat newfoundland good clyde vote liber
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question articl apr sei cmu edu caj sei cmu edu carol jarosz write watch penguin devil game last night slash that barrasso neck thi brought mind goaltend had jugular vein cut skate sabr not posit rememb name happen sinc player skate cut goali name info thi happen hockei game carol pen that clint malarchuck specul time that injuri that had plai end rink time plai end ambul park never surviv ditto plai leagu ambul standbi you video tape incid amaz blood liter spurt ic clint grab neck and watch puddl horror amazingli made full recoveri and plai nhl get year time incid and didn plai for long afterward peopl specul that couldn back togeth incid and had bunch person problem dog afterward eventu back form and plai anoth year that and retir carol boudreau termin boudreau athena mit edu flame rock king
rec.sport.hockey	ferraro isl pick hell time win year period cap game hand plai steadi defens and get great goaltend tabaracci isl power plai philosophi continu dump and chase for boardahol flatlei doesn work cap hope realiz thi talent finess player not carri puck and set last night game omen isl that ol championship form come late game advic cap pounc heali rebound flatlei show alot heart plai last period and overtim despit almost swollen shut left ey injuri suffer hand dale hunter rai ferraro arriv time for playoff show fiesti hustl that island fan rememb italian past john tonelli tonelli won similar game pen game playoff isl score two late period goal send game into ti tonelli score game winner send isl round isl lack thi tenac for year perhap back good coliseum pack ol dai good luck isl rest john scialdon scialdon nssdca gsfc nasa gov and home brave jerri garcia bob weir vinc welnick april open dai candlestick park
rec.sport.hockey	wing will win articl vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write gballent vancouv uvic greg ballentin write lot debat virtu bryan murrai pat quinn delet randi graca murrai leagu quinn team quinn improv greater amount detroit sinc you figur vancouv and detroit thing last year won divis had close number point round playoff final escap game and knock second round team beat talent specif rememb correctli place team thi make vancouv improv not mistaken wing had point vancouv end thi season albeit not quinn vancouv year ago not last year regularili miss playoff can recal miss playoff year hire quinn improv team playoff calibr contend murrai detroit team that contend win norri divis and possibl even stanlei cup contend quinn improv team murrai sinc take quinn exampl murrai gregmeist
rec.sport.hockey	hab win hab win articl apr mcgill jbe jbe musicb mcgill write yahooooooooooooooooooooo game final beat diqu and hab domin thi game and final start net happen you creat traffic muller deserv full mark player and damphouss final start skate roi thankyouthankyouthanky excel you that period save young and defens take quebec player zone hextal will feel dweeb find that win goal man skate whatta suck plai life doesn thi sundai golf and hab ti you mean nick dchhabra stpl ist
rec.sport.hockey	bowman credit articl vru wbna andrew cmu edu matthew keat andrew cmu edu write game pen devil seri impress time and time pure talent pen jagr maceachern and barrasso fun watch element thi team unnot scotti bowman bowman hockei hall fame coach and unlik gil stein didn stack board director can replac geniu and optim badger bob johnson bowman made perman not mark pittsburgh bowman geniu johnson isn bowman great coach johnson good bowman not modern coach and patrick solut run team game dai and deleg dai dai responsib assist shrewd manageri decis patrick part gerald
rec.sport.hockey	bruin fan articl rap psuvm psu edu rap psuvm psu edu robbi write wonder bruin fan mean woof post regular season that fave team kick playoff and win stanlei rememb thi year woofer consist and roger boston fan rel quiet cup noth wrong rant and rave curiou boston faith stop post mean haven even boston fan post cept for bruin fan that aren cocki guess concept fan not cocki you couldn understand don bruin fan robbi streaker come natur patrick divis semi pgh penguin you wait for penguin devil stanlei possibl don you penguin lead cup champion strong resembl nah doubt you you provoc sob usual larg stick your mean that nicest and brag you wobbi umass beat your quaker btw congratul sabr plai diciplin and will win deserv dan dan vicorp
rec.sport.hockey	leaf crush blue win flame back jca cec wustl edu joseph charl achkar write articl vzhivov cunew vzhivov alfr carleton vladimir zhivov write joseph shut hawk blue plai clutch grab shoot puck incred bore watch work road agre bore you not blue fan blue plai two perfect road game not bore like stroke had listen game two blackhawk station and don anoth call and joseph make spectacular saaaaaav blue fan don want plai plai game two result fine blue match hawk don treat flame don mondai night miracl chanc beat chicago blue can talent hawk rich blue joe ashkar contact for blue saint loui jca cec wustl edu blue
rec.sport.hockey	espn previou articl huot crai tom huot geoff filinuk filinuk staff dcc upenn edu wrote thi come indirectli morgani work studio for espn hockei text delet espn contractu oblig show basebal and not broadcast hockei game year espn will introduc basebal fan can watch basebal and hockei fan can watch hockei hadn heard thi espn thi network suppos start sound great long cabl offer usa todai late thi year question will hockei move espn permenantli will game week espn and bunch game espn mike cornel great peopl countri todai mac cwru edu fault sane monti python flyer stanlei cup brain hurt gumbi
rec.sport.hockey	pen fan reaction articl apr sei cmu edu sad sei cmu edu susan dart write penguin fan calm that never experienc thi year pen player and fan confid team thi year savor game and save energi for stanlei cup that not calm boredom and spoil arena quiet church night thi year win for grant seemingli forev sinc team lost and forgotten feel real excit and surpris victori glad pen wai high back pen beat bruin two year ago and ranger last year good thing not good for you rick
rec.sport.hockey	lemieux get hart jeez hope not articl apr unbvm csd unb unb patrick walker write mindless drivel delet rambl you can hate mario pat walker unb question you canadian folk thi univers brunswick branch campu western busi school sort rectal appendag belong rick
rec.sport.hockey	oiler for sale articl yadal cab yadal ualberta yadalle dave write mill oiler move hamilton porklington can free deal probabl that oiler not anywher pocklington chosen thi moment make last stand moment maximum advantag provinci govern month provinci elect moment maximum power convinc northland give arena deal purchas price and nhl collect agreement player involv enhanc revenu share pocklington thing stupid not can dictat term citi will pai price edmonton doesn edmonton fuck intern airport and surrend supremaci calgari and year edmonton hard hit govern cutback will screw recogniton manag find lose hockei team northland continu us oiler subsid hors race thi case long term financi viabil oiler fact that pocklington basic own team and provok crisi team accumul million dollar loss becom habitu uncompetit lack monei sather job oiler pois competit strachan knowledgebl hockei writer canada post mortem oiler season globe and mail recent agre gerald
rec.sport.hockey	nhl alltim score leader time nhl lead goal scorer denot activ player gordi how det hfd wayn gretzki edm year will gretz beat thi mike
rec.sport.hockey	espn espn piss you call respond call last night call cut basebal and couldn sudden death overtim for buffalo game appar receiv call wait for overtim finish cut phone number susan dart
rec.sport.hockey	wing new and playoff thought articl prv msuinfo msu edu twork egr msu edu michael twork write root detroit valuabl asset wing and perhap ranger zombo return wake and smell norri rick zombo trade blue for vinc riendo last season mike mike defensemen wing will give for beezer
rec.sport.hockey	sabr bruin articl lte tcinn appserv eng sun mre teal eng sun mike eisler write not buffalo fan bandwagon win aboard and sinc haven thi thi year preced year not
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question articl apr sei cmu edu caj sei cmu edu carol jarosz write watch penguin devil game last night slash that barrasso neck thi brought mind goaltend had jugular vein cut skate sabr not posit rememb name clint malarchuk happen sinc assign san diego gull season player skate cut goali name info uw krupp and blue player uw skate beleiv cut clint sinc trade isl lafontain deal thi happen hockei game thi time tom gwitt gwittt alleg edu sabr
rec.sport.hockey	wing will win gballent hudson uvic greg ballentin write articl vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write gballent vancouv uvic greg ballentin write stuff delet quinn vancouv year ago not last year regularili miss playoff can recal miss playoff year hire quinn improv team playoff calibr contend murrai detroit team that contend win norri divis and possibl even stanlei cup contend last year bryan murrai wing not make playoff had consid contend jacqu demer arriv last two year embarrass round chicago and fail make playoff time add team norri true that vancouv not make playoff for year quinn year smyth divis lot mean lot tougher divis norri snorri divis vancouv had plai edmonton and calgari legitim stanlei cup contend time year detroit plai such powerhous toronto and minnesota edmonton even forc leagu and smyth even mighti san jose shark thi period time vancouv improv norri loui detroit had improv competit divis had improv lot competit norri bryan murrai inherit team talent for good player had yzerman burr and probert and that and doubt will disput whether burr and probert that good rest green rooki wash veteran reason year murrai due coach demer last ounc effort team even coach began degrad quinn improv team murrai sinc take quinn exampl murrai number reason detroit wasn bad shape stand wise murrai vanc quinn outlin murrai not personnel work outset quinn except yzerman and player cannot alon make team into stanlei cup contend read thi will agre team improv face each confer final assum don knock last year gregmeist randi
rec.sport.hockey	sport broadcast curiou profession sport team game regularli broadcast station awar wysp philadelphia carri eagl game you respond will summar for list bruce slutski slutski tesla njit edu
rec.sport.hockey	coverag nhl blame coverag playoff fuck ridicul overtim time game that not shown hell kind shit thi that happen flyer damn playoff begin watch throught roof get piss espn not blame prior contract that can simpli break whenev want blame sign deal espn had thi had shit thi happen sinc wouldn complet prioriti feel heat that thrown espn can thi fan dare that make damn leagu exist and can even televis complet playoff game for watch write thi piss that expect thi thi and had that chest and mario michael jordan hockei that fucker fall ic and closet gui get last night game and pitt push skate across front goal shot gui good job weak shot decid fall ic fuck ref van helloamend call gui for hold replai plai and roomat clueless hockei want gui call fuck obviou player had hand stick and not trip simpl mario get touch fall ic automat thing that piss pitt score goal don rememb result and eventu won dive call make huge differ outcom game gotta stop damn hold and interfer that fuck obviou that not hockei inferior player bring level player and inferior team beat thi piss for year and improv somewhat playoff and period damn ref misplac ball don make call that show that agre disagre repli welcom steve
rec.sport.hockey	div and conf name articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write problem game present fan feel that geograph name enhanc region loyalti name honour personag compromis work honour personag confer name and geograph refer division name not move will draw fan game imo cosmet chang that bettman and owner hope will effect and doesn for mental work anoth thing that bother point system percentag us major sport inform nhl stand thing make quick calcul account for game hand almost case will object percentag claim perhap that american sport surpris agre total point system fine time plai number game sinc thi almost never case win percentag don care american thing work dchhabra stpl ist
rec.sport.hockey	bleep bruin lose bleep bleep bleep bruin lost can stand frustrat rave give buffalo credit make good score opportun and plai great defens boston player can control puck anywher buffalo net for rare occas buffalo defens excel job clear rebound fuhr plai great big save need get plenti boston plai seri score lack that extra drive earlier part game result boston leav ic end period goal thi stop boston hope win singl game outlook for bruin advanc second round quit bleak imho bruin score can that excel chanc win sinc outplai sabr and period scari thing that grad school buffalo year never cheer for sabr you can convert mtm mike mosscrop die hard bruin fan dept chemistri umass lowel mosscropm wood ulowel edu
rec.sport.hockey	oiler for sale articl yadal cab yadal ualberta yadalle dave write mill oiler move hamilton porklington can free deal labour relat and puck sigh relief heard yesterdai that pocklington talk folk copp that afternoon yesterdai valeri hammerl john lift pat board grab hammerl acsu buffalo edu hand and start run pwpz ubvm buffalo edu faster and faster want learn that feel and learn skate lafontain
rec.sport.hockey	shark kingston fire apr iscnvx lmsc lockhe spiegel sgi msd lmsc lockhe mark spiegel write articl apr csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson write mcgill hammond johan garpenlov you two johan your logic you enjoi falloon and ozolinsh injur reserv falloon hurt clean check fell poorli wilson don ozolinsh judo coach for shark injuri situat bob probert judo jitsu coach add interest wrinkl game archer
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo boston defens articl tgh lfi hsdndev harvard edu nhma gauss med harvard edu mark shneyder fat ladi hit note deficit chanc for comeback that base game playoff format that base nhl histori game statstic odd win straight game two straight game straight game straight game odd penguin win straight game playoff thi doesn includ weight averag pen beat devil straight weaker team beat ranger straight stronger team made act balanc that for boston odd win closer weight averag sinc buffalo record isn good and boston stronger team qba probabl prove you integr that debbi gibson you get start game hope blue team can ralli moog can moog get for perform give blue start fuhr tough buffalo caught hot goaltend time mean buffalo win loss last harri sinden appear dress room game pathet site retard cover sutter thi game not win lose harri check frustrat lose and you gotta not win lose you plai game competit magnifi thi level peopl care win lose schedul your team playoff and long summer vacat sundai morn buffalo will win not boston get blown lost game bounc easili harri and buttkiss milburi will never admit that screw major brought dumbest peopl busi brian sutter sutter playoff record head coach loui speak for blue chanc advanc second round thi year good point chicago deep troubl tonight hawk bad past histori win divis and lose earli don finish robbi streaker come natur patrick divis semi pgh penguin you wait for penguin devil stanlei possibl don you penguin lead cup champion strong resembl
rec.sport.hockey	bruin fan articl apr vicorp dan vicorp dan gauthier even boston fan post cept for bruin fan that aren cocki guess concept fan not cocki you couldn understand sig noth cocki you put your sig noth your articl learn back fall hard nah doubt you you provoc sob usual larg stick your mean that you mean butt don you not nicest you and brag you wobbi umass beat your quaker two point hockei secondli umass beat quaker earth you respond not atlant you wanna call big weak for ladi lion had challeng confer didn pai big east show thing post regular basi and track women score review tournament wasn reason stop post btw congratul sabr plai not chanc come back game boston can buffalo win diciplin and will win deserv agre plai tremend hockei congatualt straight buffalo easili boston buffalo come tough and luck you never penalti that doesn side involv playoff game never never never robbi streaker come natur patrick divis semi pgh penguin you wait for penguin devil stanlei possibl don you penguin lead cup champion strong resembl
rec.sport.hockey	espn articl apr sei cmu edu sad sei cmu edu susan dart write espn piss you call respond call last night call cut basebal and couldn sudden death overtim for buffalo game appar receiv call wait for overtim finish cut phone number susan dart whenev espn cover game wonder job don understand that cut show stupid basebal new not import wait for score comeon sportscent talk basebal basketbal and footbal show penguin highlight and back stupid basketbal final show highlight goal that sec give attent nhl playoff talk bore basketbal game guess nhl fault for leav espn hope thing improv season cobra
rec.sport.hockey	ghost sweenei past wow thi gui prove team boston sweenei you bob sweenei that boston buffalo hold sweenei make thing slightli confus game winner game and anoth big goal second fuhr made point blank save thi grant ring put buffalo ahead neeli counter minut hadn thi buffalo ahead ti and shut anoth great score opportun boston notch win seri sabr haven made end thi seri feel boston want posit that buffalo boston felt that come astronom game fuhr heroic rest team thi team sport afteral and borqu neeli jouneau and compani gonna swing stick weather perfect for golf season real not gonna waiger thi strang thing happen pro and colleg hockei talk golf that hockei swing golf swing basebal swing that hawerchuck us last shot game that khmylev deflect for big minut tesiment buffalo abil persist and grind end weren necessarili regular season sabr push hard and forc borqu blatent bodger open second don penalti call such ultra critic point thi blatent final sabr won faceoff weren that hot thi dept rest game lafontain scoop puck time hawerchuck shot quit boomer blue stop thi step rebound and slap set didn realiz announc start scream score score lafontain jump and skate bit jump and skate brad jump doug mckee mckee buffalo edu
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri pen annouc articl wiui cmu edu lli cmu edu lori iannamico write don cherri announc penguin game yeah and quot pgh goofi mayor queen sheba your majesti couldn you pictur cherri start post game interview barrasso tommi that crap shoe and proce give don tonsilectomi sher wood that you put pai per view hope you had good laugh georg georg pandelio internet gjp sei cmu edu softwar engin institut usenet sei gjp avenu voic pittsburgh fax disclaim opinion and not reflect softwar engin institut sponsor custom client affili carnegi mellon univers fact resembl opinion individu live dead fiction real pure coincident
rec.sport.hockey	goali mask articl sqz acsu buffalo edu hammerl acsu buffalo edu valeri hammerl write and give fuhr honour mention haven close look good distanc thi buffalo second sinc sabr recal price tag for paint job that mask and total price almost ouch yeah second and that price good bruin sabr telecast and wow good that paint job knew and fuhr plai sinc bet bruin wish didn
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question caj sei cmu edu carol jarosz write watch penguin devil game last night slash that barrasso neck thi brought mind goaltend had jugular vein cut skate sabr not posit rememb name happen sinc player skate cut goali name info thi happen hockei game carol pen rememb read articl reader digest moon ago similar incid minor leaqu game player neck cut oppon back check trip and skake flew thi case victim mask prove hinder sinc face protect and didn bother instinct reaction protect face neck quick think coach save life appli direct pressur and snow contract blood vessel can rememb bill scott wscott physic ubc jet not
rec.sport.hockey	hockei guest spot gui answ bit trivia hockeplay appear major talk show letterman carson leno arsenio etc show nation natur includ canadian equival you can thi can includ nhl olymp and world champion ship player pretti gretzki and lemieux wonder messier and leetch shoot camera letterman show sinc watch late night show regularli john santor philadelphia flyer break surfac tension wild kinet dream rush grand design philadelphia flyer john santor jsbh andrew cmu edu rush king crimson emerson lake and palmer marillion genesi gabriel
rec.sport.hockey	roger duncan nichola duncan write feel for knowledg hockei observ explain thi year playoff mean superior toronto team center and goali leagu lose roger basebal spew expertis dickhead guess afraid post expect john franjion depart chemic engin univers colorado boulder franjion spot colorado edu
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri color man for pen year isn gui shot jagr and ulf recent sport illustr not familiar cherri work and for sarcasm commentari for pen bart
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question articl dox acsu buffalo edu hammerl acsu buffalo edu valeri hammerl write and tuttl longer blue don possibl ihl you blue fan steve tuttl trade blue start thi season pat jablonski for futur consider plai for milwauke ihl trade que michel mongeau plai halifax ahl joe ashkar contact for blue saint loui jca cec wustl edu blue
rec.sport.hockey	ulf crush valeri zelepukin that flick penguin game briefli and ulf cross check valeri face wonder don cherri thi coach corner billc bill clare eastman kodak compani internet clare bissun kodak elmgrov road phone rochest york opinion express belong and not employ
rec.sport.hockey	espn lack coverag articl apr philab philip jpc philab philip john curcio write worst thing that thi exactli last year had ranger msg and two game scny and sca time cover for amount coverag thi year you had game scny game sca game espn and ranger hadn crash and burn you had game msg you complain recal last year complain coverag even rememb oriol game shown area hockei and fail show conclus game featur game sound familiar thi year get twice coverag can cap game game espn show great that hockei back espn imho great job basebal contract work peter kester pkester mitr org
rec.sport.hockey	potvin and stick articl sscl uwo sscl uwo write articl fhc msuinfo msu edu hallg yangtz egr msu edu termin write hallg yangtz egr msu edu termin felix potvin deserv kick that hit stick pussi defensemen can move big dino ciccerelli lb front net toronto realiz that overmatch wing and reli antagon superior red wing cheap shot prefer watch hockei shot felix potvin slash and spear dino ciccerelli stand front net stand front net not creas goali hell doesn want plai roller hockei boi miss dai goali scream defens clear gui slot don care creas not hell can ball roller hockei rememb and clear slot push offend player hard hate peopl goali and felix that didn incid potvin swung stick big time that not can move peopl player ic you keith keller ranger kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ thi corner quaker weigh almost weight imagin life and that surround blue travel
rec.sport.hockey	knowledg observ franjion spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu john franjion write duncan nichola duncan write feel for knowledg hockei observ explain thi year playoff mean superior toronto team center and goali leagu lose roger basebal spew expertis dickhead guess afraid post expect nice fan that concern dearth disputati dissert link hiatu simpli damn busi you lad and lassi entertain you can that will manag find time woof leaf give and peopl name mine subject header for seek enjoi such cheap form notorieti thing you can assur thi leaf team leagu that allow goal game cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
rec.sport.hockey	pen fan reaction richard coyl gomer pitt edu wrote that not calm boredom and spoil arena quiet church night thi year win for grant seemingli forev sinc team lost and forgotten feel real excit and surpris victori last night excit pen didn wrap game half previou two game not rose and plai penguin start plai somewhat jersei aggress last night pen end swarm element suspens game question that billington help make interest claud lemieux didn eject earli game start devil goal for final game sundai couldn tom huot huot crai
rec.sport.hockey	bowman credit gerald olchowi golchowi alchemi chem utoronto wrote bowman geniu johnson isn bowman great coach johnson good bowman not modern coach and patrick solut run team game dai and deleg dai dai responsib assist shrewd manageri decis patrick part imho bowman perfect coach for thi group player thi time johnson perfect coach two year ago for group player lucki pittsburgh that order coach thi exclud unfortun circumst brought chang immens talent penguin roster thi year tougher bowman ego check johnson hand inspir younger inexperienc player height coach had strength exactli time anoth person mention that bowman perfect coach for thi time sinc can argu decis can you argu coach record hockei plai for great coach that demand respect ego check coupl idea tom huot huot crai
rec.sport.hockey	stat and find faceoff stat for season and earli lot
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question articl apr sei cmu edu caj sei cmu edu carol jarosz write watch penguin devil game last night slash that barrasso neck thi brought mind goaltend had jugular vein cut skate sabr not posit rememb name happen sinc player skate cut goali name info thi happen hockei game carol pen clint malarchuk happen barfli sigh leaf cry
rec.sport.hockey	goali mask poll updat thi vote for john blue for goali mask poll will shot site question ask mon black mask yellow paint open total plain vanilla eeuu heh mention tommi soderstrom flyer for besk mask poll mention below part plain white helmet big cage found thi pretti amus john santor philadelphia flyer break surfac tension wild kinet dream rush grand design philadelphia flyer john santor jsbh andrew cmu edu rush king crimson emerson lake and palmer marillion genesi gabriel
rec.sport.hockey	hockei equip recommend hei man spent past season learn skate and plai coupl session mock hockei readi invest hockei equip sinc will take summer hockei lesson complet and profoundli ignor come hockei equip check local store and look catalog hope solicit opinion suggest plunk monei plai footbal high school and colleg that equip basi for comparison for exampl advantag disadvantag kind shoulder pad and pant girdl notori bad unsaf brand style etc suggest comment greatli appreci tom menner you swim creek softwar engin institut and eel bite your cheek carnegi mellon univers that morai pittsburgh fabul furri freak bro
rec.sport.hockey	espn lack coverag pkester hoovil mitr org peter kester write jpc philab philip john curcio write worst thing that thi exactli last year cover for amount coverag thi year you had game scny game sca game espn and ranger hadn crash and burn you had game msg you complain problem that fault espn ongo game not cover til final horn sound two channel scny and sca late finish game pacif time and overtim will kick end local coverag scny block met hockei sca scny espn current situat allevi gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	shark kingston fire articl apr csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson write articl apr iscnvx lmsc lockhe spiegel sgi msd lmsc lockhe mark spiegel write articl apr csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson write gund will open checkbook didn give draft pick promis talent murphi for great agre shark shouldn give young talent earli round draft pick list chelio type player shark pick rule sign free agent year put big restrict shark can pick believ pick player will add tough team you rememb that you real qualiti free agent not requir compens shark makarov top class compens free agent even wouldn help don expect top qualiti tough don view makarov player add tough size hopefulli won worri year alexand cherbayev and michal sykora agre multi year contract and appear that mike rathj will sign pretti big size alon isn fear kolstad struck ey oppon not rathj and sykora highli tout prospect unlik kolstad and cherbayev initi suppos plai for russian team happen that mean that like good nelson you confus skill and tough mcgill hammond johan garpenlov you two johan your logic you enjoi falloon and ozolinsh injur reserv your logic you that shark had mcgill and hammond that you can guarante that falloon and ozolinsh wouldn hurt chanc that mcgill caus ozolinsh stuck and you hammond worthless and mcgill almost worthless wilson don falloon and ozolinsh injur cheapshot weren don justif that mcgill and hammond prevent injuri injuri falloon and ozolinsh pure accident mcgill and hammond prevent hei mcgill hammond thing fan point that last year shark had tough that miss thi year thi year had skill for that your skill player get beat and injur can you good whether cheap shot not you can team push you shark simpli push team knew thi knew aggress check shark and not pai for ad player season will add tough team will insur that season team will hesist vigor check skill player cheap shot doesn guarante injuri noth shark can reduc number injuri mark mark spiegel spiegel lmsc lockhe cow palac epicent
rec.sport.hockey	hockei guest spot two year ago mark messier appear david letterman summer sign wit ranger rememb and mike gartner take slapshot camera final bullsey and screen blank funni you guess
rec.sport.hockey	lemieux get hart jeez hope not articl apr unbvm csd unb unb patrick walker write hart mario jesu bad for utter word extrem sick and piss gui luber ten minut give king break thi mario player gretzki die bobbi clark not that condon violenc make except for mario mario complain hit give and scotti real complain rambl you can hate mario pat walker unb don you kill beav dunnow eddi troubl gun beav shoot beav eddi blam blam walli you troubl beav
rec.sport.hockey	ranger fan articl apr eagl wesleyan edu kwolfer eagl wesleyan edu write stanlei cup team that can test pittsburgh and that detroit thi entertain and hard fought seri mario amaz kurt that mario make pat walker sound type that bring game and pot shot mario stand dam sunavbich hmff joseph stiehm
rec.sport.hockey	espn articl vic andrew cmu edu andrew cmu edu chad nichola hunter write live pittsburgh pen fan hockei get lot coverag can imagin cap fan resid texa feel cap fan resid atlanta dont even cking playoff score new skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	potvin and stick potvin can pound dino happen dino pound dino get leg slash can slash potvin return thi year lssu hockei game player call for slash hit goali glove stick that slash hit ankl isn ref call goali liberti player brad
rec.sport.hockey	hockei guest spot sclark epa utoronto susan clark write answer bit trivia hockeplay appear major talk show exampl delet pretti gretzki and lemieux wonder michael fox letterman year ago two playoff celebr hockei player for bruin not exactli nhler mention that bruin want break ulfi leg that respons neeli incid quit amus letterman viewer knew talk pen celebr hockei player michael dougla aka michael keaton joseph stiehm
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question sadist brought thi vein malarchuk happen want throw and time devast sinc thought that malarchuk wouldn surviv btw pick alcohol problem incid radic chang subject cap nightmar isl overtim playoff beaten island playoff game thi lunaci cap such team playoff consist choke oppon beat lose two game row not coincid evid choke factor keith keller ranger kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ thi corner quaker weigh almost weight imagin life and that surround blue travel
rec.sport.hockey	roger articl franjion spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu john franjion write roger basebal spew expertis dickhead guess afraid post expect john franjion depart chemic engin univers colorado boulder franjion spot colorado edu hei start game net call roger similiar waldo find waldo pictur peopl find roger newsgroup net predict that basketbal pro lauri marshal wayn state univers detroit michigan wing
rec.sport.hockey	coverag nhl blame articl apr lehigh edu sjg lehigh edu steven jai gibbl write mario michael jordan hockei that fucker fall ic and closet gui get last night game and pitt push skate across front goal shot gui good job weak shot decid fall ic fuck ref van helloamend call gui for hold replai plai and roomat clueless hockei want gui call fuck obviou player had hand stick and not trip simpl mario get touch fall ic automat thing that piss pitt score goal don rememb result and eventu won dive call make huge differ outcom game agre disagre repli welcom steve watch two game devil had hand mario elbow and pull elbow caus mario fall call clueless peopl substanti your claim doesn give lot confid your call time get second opinion clueful observ disagre joseph stiehm
rec.sport.hockey	ranger fan articl apr eagl wesleyan edu kwolfer eagl wesleyan edu write for happi ranger hire keenan bad that agre that keenan excel choic you mike lupica column sundai new sentiment exactli instil hunger and fire into heart season that kick alot butt read hockei new don ranger fan write thi group and keep fairli quiet you lurk thing don sens ranger fan list die hard ranger fan guess sat garden penguin led mario goal decim sick abund talent that total untap and lack heart displai thi season final question team handl that last dread stretch know need offens bluelin didn mike hurlbut plai pretti call leetch hurlbut injur for quit not recov time for playoff run and you question wasn us joe kocur plai night not bob probert tough can plai kocur us instanc for intimid factor grant aw lot ic time for that reason alon you realiz that team not real physic intimid nickel for time bodi you illus come paul broten releg street cloth for end season plai heart and charact draw penalti and plai ic doghous for reason agre and don joe cirella don agre you joei good job fill ask can imagin that easi ic time full timer don rememb turn puck blue line fail clear zone work hard and didn make rooki mistak interview can give and ranger fan suffer loyal unlik island fan show team win absolut attend garden last dai season averag night for island fought seri mario amaz man awesom enjoi playoff that ranger aren can glori mario get hate oppos team deserv concern mari mari blumenstock mblumen itsmail hamilton edu hamilton colleg clinton ranger year
rec.sport.hockey	coverag nhl blame sjg lehigh edu steven jai gibbl write coverag playoff fuck ridicul overtim time game that not shown hell kind shit thi that happen flyer damn playoff begin watch throught roof for you read guid articl week sportsview nhl and major network broadcast pretti interest jennif
rec.sport.hockey	knowledg observ maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write thing you can assur thi leaf team leagu that allow goal game cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time roger you check your fact post king conced goal game jon
rec.sport.hockey	ulf and drozinst erau edu drozinski tim write aluminum stick ulf head gonna solv problem violenc sport hockei hell can you gui goon and justifi your back assward mental that hurt player will solv problem asinin rule and refere system institut real goon ref watch plai suppos koharski and van hellemond name head ass call keep ey goofbal plai even linesmen call penalti improv that leagu head you can fight retali cheap shot ref isn ulf brought thi high level player stuck past neeli prefer fight cheap shot disadvantag system let face cheap shot high stick effect method easier hide ref chanc caus injuri and you can draw peopl into fight that don that leagu good hit ulf last penguin devil game manag hit player face stick legal hit ulf clean player and allow thing that
rec.sport.hockey	oiler rumour team move press confer week heard stori local sport new broadcast edmonton oiler owner peter pocklington will hold press confer week exact detail not believ concern oiler futur rumour that pocklington sign tent leas arrang copp collesium hamilton press confer pocklington announc deal quit that deal simpli forc edmonton northland renegoti oiler leas stadium northland offer bui oiler for million earlier offer reject immedi pocklington for opinion divid edmonton fairli support oiler even small market team had sellout even problem that team had thi year brought fan team larger citi hand team move place deserv hamilton that affect grand realign scheme bettman
rec.sport.hockey	nhl summari pars result for game plai tue april island washington period island turgeon king thoma second period washington hunter johansson miller island turgeon thoma vask washington hunter johansson carpent period island hogu unassist washington khristich cavallini bondra island ferraro flatlei hogu washington hunter johansson khristich overtim score second overtim island mullen ferraro flatlei island power plai scorer pt ferraro flatlei hogu king mullen thoma turgeon vask washington power plai scorer pt bondra carpent cavallini hunter johansson khristich miller montreal quebec period quebec leschyshyn kamenski sakic quebec young lapoint quebec young lapoint duchesn second period score period montreal bellow odelein quebec lapoint ricci quebec power plai special goal total scorer pt duchesn kamenski lapoint leschyshyn ricci sakic young montreal power plai scorer pt bellow odelein jersei pittsburgh period pittsburgh mceachern franci taglianetti pittsburgh lemieux samuelsson barrasso second period pittsburgh tocchet steven samuelsson pittsburgh jagr franci ramsei pittsburgh steven franci murphi pittsburgh mceachern daniel mullen period pittsburgh mullen franci barrasso pittsburgh power plai special goal total scorer pt barrasso daniel franci jagr lemieux mceachern mullen murphi ramsei samuelsson steven taglianetti tocchet jersei power plai score buffalo boston period buffalo preslei unassist buffalo wood moller sweenei second period buffalo mogilni lafontain period buffalo hawerchuk carnei smehlik buffalo power plai special goal total scorer pt carnei hawerchuk lafontain mogilni moller preslei smehlik sweenei wood boston power plai score
rec.sport.hockey	result april articl apr ericsson etxonss ufsa ericsson staffan axelsson write czech republ goaltend petr briza finland lukko finland color mask defens leo guda jypht finland germani excel defenseman drahomir kadlec hifk finland jiri kucera tappara finland toma kapusta hpk finland otakar janecki finland jokerit finland radek toupal hpk finland jiri dolez jypht finland contract jypht own player right czech kadlec dolez not anymor good hockei player big surpris that hlinka select dolez dole had bad season jypht and that didn make contract czech had jiri jonak fire lot czech plai finland dariu rusnak igor liba sejba svoboda
rec.sport.hockey	german audienc lunat watch game germani czech todai and astonish behaviour german audienc german team penalti last period and crowd grazi threw coin extra puck and trash into rink that stupid guess canadian refere isostar bro gave german team penalti for that didn guess german proud nazi kill german suck attitud that kind attitud sport rememb european champ stockholm soccer piss not mean that singl german thi attitud that suck jokk kylmaoja golf phoenix oulu
rec.sport.hockey	word advic star hater advic for you and thought your hatr minnesota north star real team toronto not move you elimin playoff round stai minnesota you can colleg western ontario and class map read and artistri bsing specif set for you love star hate leaf you can understand big word time limit vocabulari word real team and not wast time respond thi articl love laugh your humor even unintent big kick leaf home delarocq eo ncsu edu afc east divis champion and afc confer champion squish fish mondai night footbal novemb squish trash talk fish afc championship januari you buffalo bill fan email delarocq eo ncsu edu can talk game insight etc you packer fan interest new green bai
rec.sport.hockey	bruin post game summari for sabr bruin game
rec.sport.hockey	espn articl apr wkuvx bitnet kozloc wkuvx bitnet write jesu christ score pen beat shit devil gave middl period espn smart announc state folk thi game get hand let island capit game celebr make progress homework bore schedul game tear and throw jersei hunter score ap shit thi cap game watch season and espn back blowout that hasn chanc hell win period end and sportscast capitol ti oop excus into penguin worship mode dont freak pen fan worthi thi glad wont plai year and come period blowout wait for cap isl intermiss good put close game back wait what thi shit show blowout aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggggggg guess score penguin switch game you holi shit chang game goddamn time let stai thi prove point cap game into overtim due contractu oblig switch fuck basebal for languag piss hell schedul game into overtim espn your head your ass lot espn cover game wonder job last night felt hate watch devil pen game that devil ass kick even bother show bore and espn peopl don brain sundai and last night game show devil pen thu and sun hell think thi nhl will never major network contract cap isl game excit hope basebal game rain espn atleast can diffrent hockei game experi make person make mistak mail cobra chopin udel edu
rec.sport.hockey	articl bigboot wpi edu ching bigwpi wpi edu logistician write player wear nhl rai borqu for bruin greatli appreci logistician reign suprem blue tiger piston lion red wing ching wpi wpi edu pierr turgeon island mike
rec.sport.hockey	abc coverag articl edu icop csa edu antonio pera write love abc coverag product excel appear antonio you weren alon abc rate good schock hear that abc telecast watch sport event weekend nation rate respect top nielsen market boston game score lower had compet local sport team quit frankli expect abc rate happi proven wrong sometim pai click your cabl remot control and you happen hockei fan you stumbl playoff hockei game espn pick detroit toronto game mondai night night game mlb rain chicago you give espn credit for switch detroit fox coverag and bill clement pittsburgh station wate for intermiss analysi espn peopl giddi perliminari night abc rate for sundai telecast and thought good idea featur norri divis showdown monster truck compet good move espn ppv mark
rec.sport.hockey	espn justifi rant espn coverag delet chang espn think even complain directli telephon bristol find hard that espn doesn viewer will simpli chang channel bore game and didn show nyi wash overtim livid want watch basebal turn philli padr extra in game bed angri boycot espn morn sportscent todai incens wife shouldn bed angri last nite grrrrrrr tim mavor name colleg marin studi call tim univ delawar newark you that hidden tim tmavor pandora cm udel edu monti python and holi grail
rec.sport.hockey	info world hockei championship inform world hockei championship and specif team game summari and stat greatli appreci usa todai report that beat czech republ that limit stori laura
rec.sport.hockey	abc coverag articl blue ci pitt edu shah pitt edu ravindra shah write exactli that biggest complaint coverag follow that damn puck espn abc stick side pen devil seri and will continu thursdai night watch pretti women stand action ic slow ag team lunch dynam pen squad ppv mark
rec.sport.hockey	espn suck basebal guess articl ati ccu umanitoba umturn ccu umanitoba daryl turner write show meaningless rel basebal game overtim game that ti second left clock gimm break espn brilliant decis call contractu oblig major leagu basebal like isl cap game understand espn come espn commit singl telecast night and that bonu ppv mark
rec.sport.hockey	trivia hab articl new cso uiuc edu cain uxa cso uiuc edu lord vader write that thi ask time wonder sinc heard hell nicknam hab come for montreal canadien advanc cain schneider answer faq for thi group nough lauri marshal wayn state univers detroit michigan wing
rec.sport.hockey	schedul articl inn appserv eng sun mre teal eng sun mike eisler write philadelphia and chicago reason sportschannel for local basebal broadcast and local basebal pre empt nhl playoff into thi good point not basebal local nba basketbal game preced sca nhl playoff coverag ppv mark
rec.sport.hockey	red wing goespel articl apr wuecl wustl edu mv cec wustl edu michael virata write don forget paul ysebaert devil good team player and dino ciccarelli and rai sheppard and and lauri marshal wayn state univers detroit michigan wing
rec.sport.hockey	wing will win articl ragraca vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write true that vancouv not make playoff for year quinn year smyth divis lot mean lot tougher divis norri snorri divis vancouv had plai edmonton and calgari legitim stanlei cup contend time year detroit plai such powerhous toronto and minnesota edmonton even forc leagu and smyth even mighti san jose shark thar fight word forc geez miss playoff onc year and even make final time last year and think doomsvil thi period time vancouv improv norri loui detroit had improv competit divis had improv lot competit norri bryan murrai inherit team talent for good player had yzerman burr and probert and that and doubt will disput whether burr and probert that good rest green rooki wash veteran reason year murrai due coach demer last ounc effort team even coach began degrad fedorov primeau kozlov lidstrom silling konstantinov drake kennedi racin and chevelda pipelin due devellano murrai inherit gui addit yzerman probert carson chiasson etc number reason detroit wasn bad shape stand wise murrai vanc quinn outlin murrai not personnel work outset quinn except yzerman and player cannot alon make team into stanlei cup contend read thi will agre quinn had murrai detroit time advantag devellano good draft devellano had not demer request make oat trade gerald
rec.sport.hockey	bruin april mckee buffalo edu dougla mckee wrote doom divis not convinc sabr will win thi seri live buffalo life and last year playoff hell sit back cross finger and hope offens can score fear doug bruin toast statist team stanlei cup seri plai come back win and couldn happen nicer team crow boston fan had endur last month heart bruin fan you finish adam sinist chuckl jack laugh and world think you idiot roseread enter rose rosemail rosenet usenet gatewai rose media
rec.sport.hockey	bruin april wuziyun sune yale edu you wanna wrote provid bruin lost two game home and back tie seri road hope for bruin toast toast and you want eat word ain gonna happen golf cours boston area playabl condit jack acid consum time weight life roseread enter rose rosemail rosenet usenet gatewai rose media
rec.sport.hockey	hab win hab win april jbe jbe musicb mcgill wrote yahooooooooooooooooooooo game final beat diqu and hab domin thi game and you realiz that domin game and ahead thi seri glorieux plagu bad luck puck wouldn bounc lucki break win goal gusarov skate you lord and time hit post thi overtim and post game overtim hope that start get luck for chang plai thi game roi inconsist make nervou win thi seri sweat patrick roi provid consist goaltend and damn bruin lost congratul buffalo life doesn thi agre jack taglin bad miss carrier roseread enter rose rosemail rosenet usenet gatewai rose media
rec.sport.hockey	hockeytipset avgjort hockei tipset ren vinnar hockei tipset per bengtson gratti slutst llning per bengtson lar andersson ander engwal staffan axelsson patrik sander hannu hietanen ingvar khan noran tut jan stein roger wennstr lar thore aarhu fredrik nissen marek repinski lar wiklund lennart hedenstr vinnar och lycklig gare fbk mugg allt per bengtson kometen som ledd hockeytipset vid halvtid men som sedan fick vika ander engwal slutspurten tre rsta lyckad pricka den viktiga guld till bryn kansk var det att tippa slutspelet ock men man ser att den mna finalen mellan lule och bryn ist llet hade slutat till lule rdel hade det varit samma vinnar alla fall ljer korrekta svaren siffran inom parent anger hur nga som hade tippat detta anger per bengtson vinnand rad elitserien tippa den slutgiltiga tabellen ster bryn malm rjestad modo lule leksand djurg rden gle vilka kvartsfinalisterna vidar till semifin djurg rden lule bryn malm vilka lag final lule bryn vilka blir svenska stare bryn allsvenskan stra lunda hudding rkl ven aik team vle boden staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo boston defens articl apr ncsu edu delarocq eo ncsu edu derrel emeri larocqu write tonight boston buffalo sabr blank boston bruin tonight boston boston can hang thi season buffalo home record awesom thi great buffalo fan reveng for last year glad grant fuhr will never confid two win you take win defeat oppon each tougher obtain previou buffalo good start fuhr prove fuhr basher wrong boston good team gerald
rec.sport.hockey	bruin articl apr exu ericsson lmcmasc noah ericsson write post game summari for sabr bruin game grant fuhr rule gerald
rec.sport.hockey	shark jack feirerra shark kingston fire articl apr csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson write articl lte kinn appserv eng sun mre teal eng sun mike eisler write don trade kisio intrins mistak trade for round pick worth lot round pick for playoff team fact intim that offer shark thi year for kisio greater round pick hindsight expect kisio career year kisio shark tank even earlier season and gund get joe murphi gui year shark make playoff gund offer million for murphi oiler want prospect shark declin give correct didn mean impli that gund offer wasn gund offer late season offer novemb let sather bui replac for murphi thi season and make playoff thi year march doesn sather object doesn long term object prospect draft pick and shark that get back game had kisio trade chicago last year shark for octob and gund panick sooner novemb and anoth twist chicago had kisio thi season never murphi place kelli season bigger gui chicago gund competit ferriera sather and keenan genius broken fax machin and ferriera keenan and kingston and even green lose job kind make you shiver doesn bottomlin for black scenario you can concoct for kisio leav can concoct equal bright kisio fiasco ferierra fall hope wasn trade kisio screw nonetheless ferierra and kingston and gund follow and gund exactli that caus you that you ferierra fire kingston last two basic mean that shark start term timet captur cup state frequent expans team had incept cup season broadcast home game game broadcast road pacif and mountain time game jack ticket price two year not that pai buck for seat virtual folk not prioriti not sell prioriti order for free jacket forc order ticket for season select section not park arena pai for privileg park lot sometim full for straight year loyal ticket holder sinc dai liter spring team announc and not get that loyalti return wirtz treat fan comparison and pocklington cheap tix owner edmonton oiler for playoff year stai edmonton isn suppos make neg comment signatur oiler fan you deserv stai edmonton part never king leav metro fun watch shark beat mike eisler mre eng sun not leaf team fan even intellig and insight pittsburgh player mighti bright mean wallet back jan brittenson leaf pen woofer rec sport hockei
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri articl mfpirbo wbli ispc andrew cmu edu william willi andrew cmu edu write person rare even don cherri and doesn don whether thi area pittsburgh usa that depriv broadcast whether canadian thing altogeth coach time and volum post sure get steadi diet question deal secondli comment that read net flame bait peopl gotta you sound ass miss detroit and hear don cherri quit regularli detroit area pick hockei night canada cbc windsor don cherri coach corner period don cherri grapevin game grapevin hockei talk show don talk player coach hockei pretti good show and don isn annoi coach corner thi don nicknam grape not don us coach boston bruin don exactli that fill thi info local radio station detroit wllz talk don tuesdai morn person had fill donni piss sometim detroit toronto game mondai night cbc don gave high prais doug gilmour two player and not design goal scorer and that player game that that fine and agre that gilmour good two player exact thing yzerman month ago local radio talk show set speech that citi citi don cherri insert star player name for citi that two player leagu todai time can rememb exactli that basic chang opinion match audienc talk net don critic mario lemieux time come for don broadcast cup playoff civic center pen will make wale confer don will apolog left and for remark lemieux opinion ass and won chang opinion citi thi didn answer your question had thi chest lauri marshal wayn state univers detroit michigan wing
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rec.sport.hockey	trivia question articl apr sei cmu edu caj sei cmu edu carol jarosz write watch penguin devil game last night slash that barrasso neck thi brought mind goaltend had jugular vein cut skate sabr not posit rememb name happen sinc player skate cut goali name info thi happen hockei game carol pen name clint malarchuk not heard extra slasher film brian
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rec.sport.hockey	don cherri articl mfpirbo wbli ispc andrew cmu edu william willi andrew cmu edu write person rare even don cherri and doesn don whether thi area pittsburgh usa that depriv broadcast whether canadian thing altogeth coach time and volum post sure get steadi diet question deal secondli comment that read net flame bait peopl gotta you sound ass miss for you complain don cherri and popular repli dick vital and john madden and bobbi knight and joe garagiola and howard cosel john madden pick gari clark redskin for madden team lot receiv for reason cherri sing prais doug gilmour gui heart doesn string american post that john madden lost marbl dick vital promot thi kid thi high school that colleg outrag statement american expect that canada not such charact relat greatest passion hockei canadian similar american cultur sport hockei and curl american footbal basketbal basebal and bowl gerald
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rec.sport.hockey	nord hab rob articl apr jarvi csri toronto edu yaska eecg toronto edu yaska sankar write paul stewart worst and bias ref present nhl rob patrick roi reason game lost and ron hextal reason quebec won don bui thi roi reason game ti and that not case had dionn cool roi stood head for minut game nord rush end end kamenski mini break ty goal and shot young excel chanc stop roi roi outplai hextal for game roi becom villain and hextal hero roi team didn make full us opportun whoa you effect impli that player plai store mistak that can us time th not roi villain you succinctli put allow cheap goal you roi outplai hextal perhap you tape game and watch minut period nhl goaltend make great save not not nhl place not expect goali make great save time even occasion requir come routin shot sakic such crucial time game don legitim excus hextal hand had lot lucki bounc descript lucki bounc hextal wasn brilliant plai not argu that hextal brilliant argu that rel weak wrist shot circl shold not result goal goal time stank explos team quebec gave opportun powerplai that total unnecessari goal game minut such thing goal not defend dionn for take penalti fact bonehead move led goal and montreal had two goal lead main concern second goal thi team loss leclair miss opportun bellow and brunet dionn bad penalti damphouss and lebeau silent carbonneau and savard step night roi gave bad goal roi mean can singl for thi loss you skater absolut true realiz that game effect won you watch hockei game fact you watch sport event period and spend hour discuss miss opportun not import final result decid time watch game and email you list lucki montreal bounc and list quebec offens screwup montreal lead minut goali last line defenc and will grant that extra attent focuss sometim justif roi gave lousi goal and team cannot afford such goal roi look player industri leagu sakic shot and hextal didn dionn goal care justifi lousi plai total unrel lousi plai hextal critiqu you you assess perform mind that made kei save kei time roi paid big monei that compar goali and top for record not that roi not top goaltend leagu fact agre that montreal media quickest heap prais and hurl derogatori comment hab uninform fan assum you refer point that loss can blame roi not suck made derogatori comment you regard object and inform fyi observ derogatori can you dchhabra stpl ist
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo sabr articl msuinfo msu edu vergolin euler lb msu edu david vergolini write buffalo fan red wing fan amaz sabr beat bruin reason for thi grant fuhr mogilni and lafontain hear you sinc not sabr dave vergolini michigan state univers vergolin euler lb msu edu pure and simpl grant fuhr monei awesom playoff last night mogilni score and russian friend kymlev fuhr biggest reason win and differ thi year team and previou year bill perri
rec.sport.hockey	ulf and allan sullivan allan ualberta wrote that leagu head you can fight retali cheap shot ref isn ulf brought thi high level player stuck past neeli prefer fight cheap shot disadvantag system let face cheap shot high stick effect method easier hide ref chanc caus injuri and you can draw peopl into fight that don that leagu good hit ulf last penguin devil game manag hit player face stick legal hit ulf clean player and allow thing that nhl hockei player care comment thi and end thi ridicul long discuss tom huot huot crai
rec.sport.hockey	ulf crush valeri zelepukin bill clare clare ssd kodak wrote that flick penguin game briefli and ulf cross check valeri face wonder don cherri thi coach corner and that infract thi type game come wake geez not player thi sort thing kind lucki game not that chippi state tom huot huot crai
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rec.sport.hockey	wash isl game articl apr staff dcc upenn edu filinuk staff dcc upenn edu geoff filinuk write espn back and stop post articl thi subject complain thi game that make sick gener agre you last night espn cut basebal tonit sportscent tailor basebal and cut pacif that quit contract espn couldn deliv had transist plan sportschannel pick slack nonetheless ultim fault american public that regular season basebal preced playoff hockei support your team support your game had excel idea that write chrysler for support hockei ad and that product equal excel idea watch basebal for minut ask lot that spew bag for write advertis and write letter complain that support basebal your displeasur and that you won bui product mike eisler mre eng sun not leaf team fan even intellig and insight pittsburgh player mighti bright mean wallet back jan brittenson leaf pen woofer rec sport hockei
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question goali you refer clint malarchuk that time plai sabr team immedi prior that washington capit recov and continu plai not present whereabout
rec.sport.hockey	berni nichol man thought don post simpli make fun player thi time couldn resist pen devil game last night second period kevin steven penalti box nichol punch kjell samuellson face rais stick two hand sword defend kjell and pound laugh and speak swedish penguin defensemen ulf get hand cheap shot get frequent and violent meadowland for offici last night ram butt stick devil throat support argument job irrit start push edg imho holik chop barrasso neck wasn sportsmanlik that beat penguin injur philosophi modern drama professor point dai jagr stone pretti tuesdai night and last night second danc devil end pretti excit matt uva
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rec.sport.hockey	espn care hockei espn pathet watch complain espn coverag and agre you suggest that get work noth knew that espn coverag suck mean you watch regular season sportscent coverag hockei suck mean suck espn not hockei shot ass piss last night coverag school ohio indian suck show bill clement shoot calm realiz that not show overtim cap isl game thought knew that thi happen fact remerb prai that even bore devil game espn not care show hockei not and firmli beliv that respect for fan contract oblig screw you espn prais hockei fan put thi shit hawk
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rec.sport.hockey	wjr boston boston area you can hear ranger wfan and devil wabc whaler wtic and red wing wjr thi addit bruin weei move whdh fool weei own celtic and will show bruin time conflict you can wbal baltimor don hockei btw onc station indiana that had fort wayn comet game
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rec.sport.hockey	octopu detroit valeri hammerl hammerl acsu buffalo edu wrote articl apr new clarkson edu farenebt logic camp clarkson edu droopi write fact tradit pass affili adirondack last final leg creatur hurl frozen pond and land feet ref lanc robert pass toronto even octopu aud last year bruin sabr game knew detroit version aud bit puzzl don puzzl bit call unorigin not bitter bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruin contact for rec sport hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu
rec.sport.hockey	nhl playoff result for game plai nhl playoff result for confer semi final patrick adam norri smyth buf lead stl lead win pit lead bo chi van lead nyi ti mon tor lead que lead det lead cal jersei devil pittsburgh penguin lead seri period pit mceachern franci taglianetti pit lemieux samuelsson barrasso period pit tocchet steven samuelsson pit jagr franci ramsei pit steven franci murphi pit mceachern daniel mullen period pit mullen franci barrasso powerplai opportun devil penguin shot goal devil penguin jersei devil terreri shot save billington shot save pittsburgh penguin barrasso shot save att york island seri ti washington capit period nyi turgeon king thoma period hunter johansson miller nyi turgeon thoma vask hunter johansson carpent period nyi hogu khristich cavallini bondra nyi ferraro flatlei hogu hunter johansson khristich overtim overtim nyi mullen ferraro flatlei powerplai opportun island capit shot goal island capit york island heali shot save washington capit tabaracci shot save att montreal canadien quebec nordiqu lead seri period que leschyshyn kamenski sakic que young lapoint que young lapoint duchesn period period mon bellow odelein que lapoint ricci powerplai opportun canadien nordiqu shot goal canadien nordiqu montreal canadien roi shot save quebec nordiqu hextal shot save att buffalo sabr lead seri boston bruin period buf preslei buf wood houlder sweenei period buf mogilni lafontain period buf hawerchuk carnei smehlik powerplai opportun sabr bruin shot goal sabr bruin buffalo sabr fuhr shot save boston bruin moog shot save blue second shot save att spike
rec.sport.hockey	espn care hockei jbrown vax cn muskingum edu write espn pathet watch complain espn coverag and agre you suggest that get work noth knew that espn coverag suck mean you watch regular season sportscent coverag hockei suck mean suck espn not hockei shot ass piss last night coverag school ohio indian suck show bill clement shoot hope thi make you feel overtim isl and cap great hang
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rec.sport.hockey	area code for edmonton alberta canada not phone book current inform not includ area code for edmonton alberta not hostil for ask simpl question stupid open moutha remov doubt mark twain you assult you year hockei minut thi great sport kevin frank kfrank magnu ac ohio state edu
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo sabr can sabr win two game bruin game buffalo will import seri sabr lose that game parti will will year kei for remain game seri will whether fuhr can brillliant goaltend and mogilni can continu skate bruin shown demonstr excel speed final sabr shown for post season sabr bill fan
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rec.sport.hockey	grant fuhr lead sabr buffalo seri boston and reason grant fuhr fuhr playoff hungri and prove onc call monei goaltend fuhr not goaltend leagu anymor statist prove that can make big save time leaf fuhr and had chanc powerhous detroit andreychok game can huge smile gerald face fuhr perform joe ashkar contact for blue saint loui jca cec wustl edu blue
rec.sport.hockey	goodby good riddanc lost star articl apr julian uwo kirk gaul csd uwo andrew kirk write back hockei north star move for past year shit real team toronto never move shit mean stanlei cup final coupl year ago shit leaf fan skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri articl mfpirbo wbli ispc andrew cmu edu william willi andrew cmu edu write person rare even don cherri and doesn don whether thi area pittsburgh usa that depriv broadcast whether canadian thing altogeth coach time and volum post sure get steadi diet question deal secondli comment that read net flame bait peopl gotta you sound ass miss ask and don cherri deni roger maynard and deni knowledg usenet conced that roger two poster net todai defens good offenc
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rec.sport.hockey	shark jack feirerra shark kingston fire broadcast home game game broadcast road pacif and mountain time game jack ticket price two year not that pai buck for seat virtual folk not prioriti not sell prioriti order for free jacket forc order ticket for season select section not park arena pai for grrrr start nother topic show bad shark thing swear that partial plan game televis exagger order ticket price suck wait till peopl park game year public transit yeah love caltrain for hour hour game shell hundr dollar for partial season plan for two year doesnt mean shark pick seat dead rise grave claim seat frank frank giraff fgiraff appl pacbel ucbvax fgiraff noos narco militar tighten round neck worri burn flag and pee jar work job jello biafra
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri articl mfpirbo wbli ispc andrew cmu edu william willi andrew cmu edu write person rare even don cherri and doesn don whether thi area pittsburgh usa that depriv broadcast whether canadian thing altogeth canadian thing coach boston bruin and colorado rocki summari that post gather that ongo beef thi year convent wisdom that canadian hockei doom second rate perceiv emerg and european program coach time and volum post sure get steadi diet question deal secondli comment that left rocki job cbc hockei night canada and hasn look back sinc work for cbc playoff season rocki elimin read net flame bait peopl gotta you sound combin flame bait and journal closest thing you find cherri stan fischler describ hockei maven similar that thing that peopl upset differ that cherri game and fischler doesn ass miss don charact complet ration and noncontroversi wouldn job definit call ass peopl feel mike lang anoth charact that wider exposur nation telecast last year mike eisler mre eng sun not leaf team fan even intellig and insight pittsburgh player mighti bright mean wallet back jan brittenson leaf pen woofer rec sport hockei
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rec.sport.hockey	ahl playoff result thur fri ahl playoff score round home team cap game plai thur rochest utica game plai fri binghamton baltimor moncton john springfield provid seri stati plural statu adirondack defeat cdi springfield lead provid binghamton lead baltimor rochest lead utica john lead moncton cape breton lead fredericton bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruin contact for rec sport hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu
rec.sport.hockey	oiler rumour team move press confer week allan ualberta allan sullivan write heard stori local sport new broadcast edmonton oiler owner peter pocklington will hold press confer week exact detail not believ concern oiler futur rumour that pocklington sign tent leas arrang copp collesium hamilton press confer pocklington announc deal quit that deal simpli forc edmonton northland renegoti oiler leas stadium northland offer bui oiler for million earlier offer reject immedi pocklington for opinion divid edmonton fairli support oiler even small market team had sellout even problem that team had thi year brought fan team larger citi hand team move place deserv hamilton that affect grand realign scheme bettman thi provinci govern ask opposit block deal that pocklington offer hamilton govern that pock don govern wasn pocklington want tori leader year ago dave shariff yadalle econ math alberta yadalle ersi edmonton god save queen god bless rememb jesu save live etern damnat newfoundland good clyde vote liber
rec.sport.hockey	calder cup schedul full calder cup playoff schedul and result home team cap necesari round springfield indian provid bruin springfield provid springfield provid provid springfield provid springfield springfield provid provid springfield springfield provid island adirondack red wing adirondack cdi adirondack cdi adirondack cdi adirondack cdi adirondack win seri baltimor skipjack binghamton ranger baltimor binghamton binghamton baltimor binghamton baltimor binghamton baltimor baltimor binghamton binghmaton baltimor baltimor binghamton utica devil rochest american utica rochest rochest utica rochest utica rochest utica utica rochest rochest utica utica rochest moncton hawk john mapl leaf john moncton halifax john moncton halifax john moncton moncton john moncton john halifax john moncton moncton john halifax cape breton oiler fredericton canadien fredericton cape breton cape breton fredericton cape breton fredericton cape breton fredericton cape breton fredericton fredericton cape breton cape breton fredericton note thi seri report that won thi seri origin schedul game wasn suppos tonight and oiler bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruin contact for rec sport hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu
rec.sport.hockey	potvin and stick articl netnew upenn edu kkeller mail sa upenn edu keith keller write prefer watch hockei shot felix potvin slash and spear dino ciccerelli stand front net stand front net not creas goali hell doesn want plai roller hockei boi miss dai goali scream defens clear gui slot don care creas not hell can ball roller hockei rememb and clear slot push offend player hard hate peopl goali and felix that didn incid potvin swung stick big time that not can move peopl player ic you keith keller ranger kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ thi corner quaker weigh almost weight imagin life and that surround blue travel agre wholeheartedli thi view don stickwork you clear player front person favorit move goali give offed player good whack back skate ref isn make ton brick doesn injuri don fall talk hit blade not foot make player you hit and see mad and apt stupid retali penalti leav your blocker posit for short time don thi shot like short side hmm mail potvin thi method french and help diagram nice ciccerelli great deal respect for btw not big gui plai huge fall back time barfli
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rec.sport.hockey	stan fischler articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write roger neilson not properti rumour candid coach flyer and will bring colin campbel assist thi dumb move nineti lindro big and strong give ball and chain leg and anchor drag compuwar activ scout phoenix for team hei nick and jimmi bui devil and fix gld not pocklington get pocklington doesn deal hamilton take team canada countri mad take team hamilton wouldn mad that isn mad and make lot friend southern ontario that whine stupid politician edmonton and fickl spoil fan wouldn notic edmonton wallow anonymn gerald
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rec.sport.hockey	leaf win you potvin time boi togeth outwork and outplai wing two game burn kick behind full gear that high gear game for minut stretch period outskat and outwork wing don flame thi statement co you true admit that goaltend kei potvin leaf ahead sleepi stretch leaf rebound minimum that cost chevelda goal clark even look had stop mope star don flat game and leaf plai style and can pace had game chanc win thi seri slim chanc chanc haha barfli
rec.sport.hockey	ahl leaf back home appar public worker strike john newfoundland strike sinc mid januari forc john mapl leaf hockei team plai home game citi such toronto cornwal and charlottetown plai playoff home game halifax nova scotia leaf manag that return john for second round bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruin contact for rec sport hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu
rec.sport.hockey	interview guest you notic that hockei player interview period game that goal assist can you explain thi that talk star regular player explain hight percentag result wonder think thi dont care thi trivial nonsens ttyl tom tom moffat victoria canada
rec.sport.hockey	sabr bruin buffalo fan peopl discuss group comment espn that game critic for sabr helloooo sabr ahead game not life long sabr fan awar abil choke not exagger that long sabr win game game game good shape ahead game game plai buffalo lose game and start worri game critic for boston not buffalo rob andolina randolin polisci umn edu
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo boston defens articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write fuhr prove fuhr basher wrong boston good team yeh biran sutter playoff record head coach wasn impress blue team elimin earli playoff doesn thi trend will chang bruin bruin never come back win fall entir year histori doesn buffalo will lose two game aud fuhr stand head basic bruin will golf weekend boston area basebal crazi incred great start red sox record major leagu that caller bruin flagship station sportsradio talk red sox yap patriot upcom draft celtic and bruin schock bruin fold earli ppv mark
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rec.sport.hockey	plai off thought almost halfwai round and thing good gener team that hate chicago and basten zip even possibl can win seri thi ego thrash and arrog smash underdog loui and buffalo reward montreal thi stage team life not good good good draft pick that thi year cup final plai team wale plai montreal that find diqu arrog smyth get sick douggi and wendel night and night canuck jet flame action don cherri alright hei politician obleafsjok you you cross mapl leaf and groundhog six week crummi hockei dude hab gooooooooooooooooooo jon shaib carleton freenet
rec.sport.hockey	nhl draft articl apr newshub ariel yorku ariel yorku shawn luddington write articl main main edu jon carr main main edu write draft thi year and will coverag upcom nfl draft espn detail paul kariya pick perhap won last long don exact coverag state canada cover tsn espn will grab coverag don for pick ottawa pick mean almost that alexand daigl will stai trade montreal quebec imo kariya alot leadership ncaa and world championship daigl didn show thi for junior team san jose will kariya tampa bai will for russian kozlov that defenseman rob niedemey spelt last name wrong shark lean pick rob niedermay center brother scott defenseman pick coupl year ago brought for physic tryout week ago read niedermay skater draft plai offens and defens and isn afraid physic plai defens shark pretti good term defens prospect rathj sykora ragnarsson and center kisio get small player shark just can pick anoth small player kariya bash oppposit and separ shoulder mark
rec.sport.hockey	espn articl randolin polisci umn edu randolin polisci umn edu robert andolina write thing that confus espn that decid show penguin and devil thursdai night that two game domin pitt you that show game thi addit fact that show game for sake fair exposur espn poor market peopl concern featur player mario featur good competit hockei you that can espn not show campbel confer game regularli two round that show campbel game two round seri wear game perhap game heard that thi market east coast and prefer wale stuff don expect canadian team espn summari you want network that good hockei coverag watch cbc canada bias canadian team don treat viewer idiot provid nice updat and don cherri will provid laugh
rec.sport.hockey	espn care hockei articl apr vax cn muskingum edu jbrown vax cn muskingum edu write espn pathet watch complain espn coverag and agre you suggest that get work noth knew that espn coverag suck mean you watch regular season sportscent coverag hockei suck mean suck espn not hockei shot ass piss last night coverag school ohio indian suck show bill clement shoot calm realiz that not show overtim cap isl game thought knew that thi happen fact remerb prai that even bore devil game espn not care show hockei not and firmli beliv that respect for fan contract oblig screw you espn prais hockei fan put thi shit hawk thi price hockei fan pai for mistak leav espn year ago will time correct for that mistak return espn correct decis last year time potenti for sportschannel and espn compet offer coverag and forc deliv gerald
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rec.sport.hockey	grant fuhr lead sabr articl apr wuecl wustl edu jca cec wustl edu joseph charl achkar write buffalo seri boston and reason grant fuhr fuhr playoff hungri and prove onc call monei goaltend fuhr not goaltend leagu anymor statist prove that can make big save time leaf fuhr and had chanc powerhous detroit andreychok game applaud sabr for make deal fuhr specif thought win playoff seri don leaf can fault noth that felix won win playoff seri year come find iron that fuhr moog gui name alex show
rec.sport.hockey	radio station cleveland freenet edu theodor benjamin write messg mon apr greania texa mitr org steve greania wrote not cabl and night cap don plai tune game list radio station broadcast game for nhl team can rememb offhand kdka pittsburgh penguin lori regular penguin poster rec sport hockei mail that night that pirat basebal and penguin playoff game coincid pen will cover wdve wabc jersei devil wbbm chicago blackhawk wjm detroit redw thi wjr detroit and neglect mention earlier respons thi thread night tiger basebal game coincid wing playoff game wing will carri wllz
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rec.sport.hockey	you pat burn borchevski and gilmour gilmour slightli outweigh borchevski andreychuk susan teeheehe oop
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rec.sport.hockey	don cherri coach corner summari april summari don cherri coach corner april game broadcast region and calgari film toronto detroit game that night warn anti fight peopl want skip thi post topic don tie grant fuhr penalti wing leaf fight dale hunter episod summari thi episod began camera zoom don tie don point charact tie bug bunni foghorn leghorn and yosemit sam don call lanni macdonald ron maclean began mention that don almost evict hotel watch previou night game yell and cheer plai hunter and fuhr don began prais fuhr call greatest goali and that win seri boston show clip earlier episod nov jan fuhr leaf and don advis don trade fuhr don predict that buffalo get boston fuhr win seri muckler lot heat for trade don feel muckler vindic topic involv playoff game ruin penalti call show clip winnipeg vancouv game domi hit vancouv player and min penalti ron that call penalti stick involv don stuck opinion that good hit domi hit vancouv player shoulder don sad for hockei minut penalti for noseble playoff seri detroit and toronto peopl detroit call wendel clark wendi for not fight don point that probert not fight thi lead don into tirad fight and stickwork and ban fight lead high stick colleg hockei wee gui visor brave that you stickwork you won drop your glove and give shot rule made peopl don hockei final topic don discuss dale hunter don point that lead leagu goal and show clip hunter previou game younger hunter taught plai win differ todai idea let kid fun end episod show clip coach corner tape fast forward that don sound chipmunk rate typic anti fight postur not humour good quot give allan sullivan allan ualberta depart comput scienc univers alberta edmonton alberta canada opinion mine and mine alon amaz can accomplish care get credit golden bear hockei motto drake
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri coach corner summari april summari don cherri coach corner april tape delai vancouv winnipeg game film toronto detroit game that night shown calgari game warn anti fight peopl want skip thi post topic don tie doug gilmour wing leaf quebec montreal boston buffalo wendel clark fight and stickwork episod summari onc episod start shot don tie thi tie last time don point charact tie gave name felix cat sylverst maclean daffi duck etc ron maclean ask don thought current wing leaf game don thought good burn told leaf player won build win our don began prais gilmour don point that gilmour never point goal game sinc point game loui don claim that gave lot encourag gilmour partli respons for good plai clip shown gilmour seri hit constantinov and pass andrewchuk result goal game wing take lot penalti period wing talent score short hand and leaf power plai coach burn tell leaf player don score you ron brought previou quebec montreal game note montreal won that game overtim despit game winner disqualifi bat high stick don thought high stick obviou even us instant replai buffalo boston seri note buffalo win seri don gave full credit goaltend grant fuhr fuhr get team playoff check for plai wendel clark recent critic for perform detroit toronto seri don defend that can plai leagu rule thi us rough and tough leagu hack and slash don lai blame gil stien for problem don opinion fight and stickwork share wing and coach bryan murrai clip new confer murrai shown murrai made statement claim elimin fight increas stickwork don read newspap articl murrai make statement player don fight afraid get thrown game instig settl grudg get stick and slice each thi fan want guarante wouldn slash fight game don warn leagu commision gari bettman smarten fight hockei that us gui cut high stick seri fight get cut period rate typic anti fight postur don opinion support murrai give
rec.sport.hockey	espn articl randolin polisci umn edu randolin polisci umn edu robert andolina write thing that confus espn that decid show penguin and devil thursdai night that two game domin pitt you that show game thi addit fact that show game for sake fair exposur you that can espn not show campbel confer game regularli two round that show campbel game two round seri wear game perhap game info abc coverag for thi sundai espn had advertis for pen devil game don hell nfl draft guess nhl rate for sundai game robert andolina randolin polisci umn edu
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl draft nhl draft june weekend
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rec.sport.hockey	selfish hockei fan articl apr staff dcc upenn edu filinuk staff dcc upenn edu geoff filinuk write tuesdai rain chicago espn provid bonu hockei coverag fan tick that wash replac angel game peopl realiz that basebal fan hockei fan basebal game schedul air and advertis monei paid can skip basebal game don you peopl chill and enjoi coverag you can partli ardent fan sport game nhl playoff game mlb season even game involv red sox espn had contractu oblig understand that part bit inaccur call selfish want watch watch game love basebal fan selfish piss cb for show approxim game per month don espn contractu oblig consum voic displeasur serv noth wrong that bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruin contact for rec sport hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu
rec.sport.hockey	ulf and joe pitt edu joseph stiehm write not belong nhl cheap shot artist histori game lot talant player bobbi clark kenni linsemen pie mckenzi chri chelio etc dirti cheapshot coward ulf violenc hockei curb and player women samuelson don belong player ulf main purpos injur player leagu allow continu and leagu won stop player christian pro aluminum stick direct ugli head trick nice bruin chanc meet pittsburgh futur you can bet neeli will dai sight watch ulf turtl coward worth almost stane cup thi wimp player almost ruin career winger game you remov ulf samuelson lineup penguin not even notic eyesor game hockei rich rich pull your head your ass joseph stiehm aluminum stick ulf head gonna solv problem violenc sport hockei hell can you gui goon and justifi your back assward mental that hurt player will solv problem asinin rule and refere system institut real goon ref watch plai suppos koharski and van hellemond name head ass call keep ey goofbal plai even linesmen call penalti improv tim drozinski drozinst erau edu chew electr death snarl cur spaceman spiff
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rec.sport.hockey	usenet hockei draft final stand articl idacom andrew idacom andrew scott write final stade for usenet hockei draft congratul thi year winner dave wessel victoria parlai initi point into point team for enter biggest usenet hockei draft hope hear you thi septemb for annual draft usenet hockei draft stand week posn team total pt cash last posn dave wessel brad gibson dinamo riga interest note absolut recollect team pick player week start season and never touch roster wrap monei pool and decid not involv usenet pool andrew btw thing rememb team that had joe sacco and john maclean franci and kevin steven curious check final stand todai find amaz that absolut input initi team manag finsh not that impli for finish below ciao brad gibson brad gibson internet gibson geop ubc dept geophys astronomi main mall phone univers british columbia fax vancouv british columbia canada
rec.sport.hockey	octopu articl lmarsha cm wayn edu lmarsha cm wayn edu lauri marshal articl ssl eb spk filipow spk denni filipowski write door attend joe loui arena check fan for octopus not arena want peopl hide octopus everytim joe check purs and that place can put wing fan wai sneak octopus into joe you mean don strip search you and caviti check fool
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rec.sport.hockey	team pool stand seri post island score rank team name point final roland behunin cal que que milton keyn king det pit pit barfli tor bo tor dean det pit pit lak bo lak garri tor bo bo brian bergman det pit det mopar muscl men chi pit pit last place pick chi pit pit dave wessel van pit pit sam dog det pit pit ding det pit pit tamper star chi pit pit mighti hedgehog myllyp chi bo bo homesick hawaiian van pit pit killer king chi chi puggi greybeard det pit pit ottawa bearcat tor pit tor andrew kirk tor pit pit muller walker det pit pit excalibur det pit pit redneck hockei hell det bo bo ranger chi pit pit jeff phelp det pit pit arctic circl det pit pit sludg det pit det logistician det pit det hillsid raider chi bo bo daniel chi que que stania star chi bo bo bloodhook det pit pit gill carmel chi pit pit pasi nti lak pit pit evan pritchard van pit pit skriko wolv det pit pit ranger blow cal pit pit sean det pit pit schott shooter chi pit pit gari shiff tor pit pit mike burger det pit det dars det pit pit mike burger canada includ quebec ontario mmb lamar colost edu maritim prairi and florida begin comput stud month year student serv royal canadian air farc univers michigan colorado state univers
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rec.sport.hockey	jet canuck jet hold win articl lsp new cso uiuc edu epritcha psych uiuc edu evan pritchard write will happi will good perform plai vancouv last night big gui for jet yep reason for rel quiet simpl last year woof canuck and domi plai last night didn notic ic domi toss high stick major had plai kri king and stu barn and thi line that arguabl two game glad found place champaign illinoi that satillit dish pick cbc vancouv feed and glad found hockei fan jet and canuck fan watch game good thing cheer help evan good thing net doesn voic oper won sundai night home hope white nois come thing will vancouv can steve armitag and john garrett broadcast team two bad you spoil don wittman time steve call barn selann whoop daryl turner contact for winnipeg jet internet umturn ccu umanitoba fidonet rout tkachuk zhamnov sel nne shoot score jet win cup jet win cup essensa for vezina houslei for norri sel nne for calder
rec.sport.hockey	sabr sweep sabr back beat bruin tonight sweep seri beauti goal brad lafontain set ly ic end fuhr left game game injur shoulder and lafontain bang sabr will week rest injuri not problem montreal edg quebec squar seri head for game hab domin two period and unlucki tie minut earli goal brunet won island won game seri goal rai ferraro cap simpli collaps take lead isl time playoff record vlad impal
rec.sport.hockey	and you espn shaft you watch cap isl game basebal game piss interupt such import game understand contract you claus contract import game blue and hawk fan shaft wors and watch game abc live central illinoi area subject watch arthritu telethon area that affect telecast not game hawk vision thi game had televis home hawk game shown area sinc thi televis bull stop not depriv game due skyrocket ticket price depriv watch peac hammer
rec.sport.hockey	pierr turgeon stud blue fan don leagu except hockei night espn can blue game school don lot team plai for hawk last night catch glimps cap isl game occur that turgeon stud skate move quick and brilliant you fan proud won game cap isl peac hammer
rec.sport.hockey	great comeback for sabr despit chang goali bufflo sabr finish great win boston sabr player contribut great win talent player includ mogili fuhr kemhlev and lafontin impress skill show art sport not garbag speech coach corner make hocki popular make hocki excit violent
rec.sport.hockey	ranger fan kkeller mail sa upenn edu keith keller write kwolfer eagl wesleyan edu write read hockei new don ranger fan write talk hockei don team fan ranger bite big yeah us even chang sig root for second favorit team thi system and big hockei fan and long suffer ranger fan rememb suffer build charact don care want cking stanlei cup die aargh happi win school pile higher and deeper long ranger fan suffer loyal unlik island fan show team win thi observ time true feel that alot peopl not thi statement worst band wagon fan pit fan present case point gui hockei hell pitt bout pen ing awesom yeah beat devil doesn mean alot wait meet boston and detroit playoff start playoff start uhhhh start week ago not that thi true waddler fan alot float noth hockei that newli belov waddler team game and not team fan will disappear into woodwork john flame dev null comment welcom eat rich stanlei cup team that can test pittsburgh and that detroit thi entertain and hard fought seri mario amaz keith keller ranger quaker kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ cow not vegetarian dish keith keller hockei hell jwodzia eng clemson edu john wodziak real black and gold memorium alan kulwicki space will triumph polish yanke mechan engin for pretend crown winston cup champion great person rent
rec.sport.hockey	bruin fan robbi rap psuvm psu edu write wonder bruin fan mean woof post regular season that fave team kick playoff and win stanlei cup noth wrong rant and rave curiou boston faith stop post mean haven even boston fan post cept for bruin fan that aren cocki golf don bruin fan sob beer busi post caught sig curs nelson ranger and hmmm bout dem whaler offens steveg hockei hell jwodzia eng clemson edu john wodziak real black and gold memorium alan kulwicki space will triumph polish yanke mechan engin for pretend crown winston cup champion great person rent
rec.sport.hockey	espn articl apr virginia edu mjr virginia edu matthew rush write angri pen game pen fan central virginia kinda tough espn and plai cap close cap game espn switch cap aaaggghhh matt not angri set vcr yesterdai home find bruin buffalo that for read section and not sport section for game will air nanci spera imt divis didn for fact that chevron petroleum technolog elvi work donut shop box habra beaver fall swear tel nj chevron drive thi truck scotti baldwin
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rec.sport.hockey	island win don score isl franchis record playoff game game score for consecut win capit tonight uniondal you post score for isl fan live atlanta hockei hell lord stan uniondal man isl jsm
rec.sport.hockey	finland disast finland beaten czech finland will pool and will meet canada quarter final wednesdai lack score skill major problem team finland tournament briza goali mvp czech team and tikkanen mvp finnish team jarkko
rec.sport.hockey	finland ketolain messi uku jarkko ketolainen write disast finland beaten czech finland will pool and will meet canada quarter final wednesdai lack score skill major problem team finland tournament briza goali mvp czech team and tikkanen mvp finnish team game finn plai goali chosen player oppos team finnish goali ketter elect finn thi goali good dai game finnish player lousi scorer quit goal score game gener except canada itali goali get good thi due equip get bigger cover glove bigger year ago rule goali equip chang thi mikko wihervaara jarkko nyt nen testi sigun kai piti olla muutamarivinen nyt viel pari
rec.sport.hockey	stan fischler apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write wayn made bed choos mcnall sather and hockei destini sleep whine ego absolut nonsens decis that made pocklington chose mill gretzki gretzki wasn upset not win cup submit that wasn worth mill thought support cast edmonton didn matter that show you think thought thought that can that you reveal your you don gretzki big deal complaint lemieux that dive last year patrick convinc twice accept bowman and hockei destini ego real purpos dive not attempt draw penalti player make checker distanc ref won fool can imagin expect lemieux chang game don you pick dimension rate type hull and salami cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
rec.sport.hockey	ahl playoff result ahl playoff score round home team cap game plai tue rochest utica fredericton cape breton seri stati plural statu adirondack lead cdi provid ti springfield binghamton ti baltimor rochest lead utica john lead moncton cape breton ti fredericton bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruin contact for rec sport hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu
rec.sport.hockey	cap isl fan cap isl fan interest catch game nassau coliseum hopefulli will anoth can catch game north carolina origin sport bar chapel hill pretti carri ht had game time last night thi place catch stanlei cup action frank salvator fmsalvat eo ncsu edu
rec.sport.hockey	pen fan reaction basher pen fan pretti confus lack kind post recent pen massacr devil bit puzzl and bit reliev put end pittsburgh relief bit prais for pen man kill devil wors thought jagr show you regular season stat lot fun watch playoff bowman jagr lot fun coupl game sinc pen beat pulp jersei disappoint not island lose final regular season game pen rule
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rec.sport.hockey	goali mask poll updat curti joseph and rai leblanc made big move poll recent hextal shown strong movement kirk mclean and tom barrasso can ad list recent send vote current vote for favorit goali mask pt pt player team pt vote belfour chicago curti joseph loui andi moog boston brian hayward san jose ron hextal quebec grant fuhr buffalo gerri cheever boston retir john vanbeisbrouck ranger rai leblanc usa olymp mike richter ranger manon rheaum atlanta ihl don beaupr washington ken dryden montreal retir receiv pt mike vernon cal clint malarchuk buf ihl tommi soderstrom phil tom barrasso pit artu irb tim chevelda det sean burk rick wamslei tor ret jon casei minn bob essensa win glenn heali nyi toni espo chi gill gratton bo rod stauber gump worslei mtl nyr pat jablonski grant fuhr tor felix potvin tor stephan beauregard win mark fitzpatrick nyi chico resch nyi kirk mclean van skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	score and stand april world championship germani group stand munich group stand dortmund canada czech republ sweden germani russia usa switzerland finland itali norwai austria franc april itali russia norwai germani sweden austria usa czech republ april canada switzerland russia austria finland franc april sweden canada czech republ germani switzerland itali finland usa april germani franc itali sweden czech republ norwai april switzerland russia usa franc austria canada norwai finland april switzerland austria germani finland april russia sweden czech republ franc canada itali usa norwai april sweden switzerland finland czech republ russia canada germani usa april austria itali franc norwai playoff april quarterfin sweden usa russia germani april quarterfin canada finland itali switzerland czech republ april releg april semifin releg bronz medal game final staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
rec.sport.hockey	lemieux get hart jeez hope not articl apr unbvm csd unb patrick walker unb write canadian plai and watch hockei night canada never miss show that great pat guess sinc you plai you therebi qualifi expert sinc you watch game that qualifi you armchair quarterback coach potato not that condon violenc make except for mario pat walker evid kind expert you stupid statement mario defin player plai game not plai game come mind that question ask face return radiat therapi dozen game left overtak lafontain for score lead and buri guess lucki speak lafontain gui consid for hart trophi player leagu thi year
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rec.sport.hockey	minnesota shame hockei fan back and maintain interest can hockei hinterland oklahoma hope can read you move north star dalla impress that minnesota possibl hockei state team move citi texa that owner greedi serv profit star not make profit citi own arena price goug nhl hour drive can feel for peopl minnesota didn support team opinion steve hunter nation weather servic nexrad radar group norman
rec.sport.hockey	blue playoff stat round blue playoff score end norri semifin name pt pim brett hull craig jannei jeff brown brendan shanahan nelson emerson denni felsner dave lowri basil mcrae kevin miller rich sutter bob bassen philipp bozon ron wilson garth butcher stephan quintal bret hedican murrai baron rick zombo curti joseph doug crossman ron sutter igor korolev kelli chase curt gile gui hebert rooki goaltend min avg save curti joseph gui hebert team total shutout shot goal period period period overtim power plai goal short hand goal empti net goal shot joe ashkar contact for blue saint loui jca cec wustl edu blue
rec.sport.hockey	result april world championship germani group result sweden switzerland swi manuel celio swi patrick howald swi patrick howald sven leuenberg swe peter andersson michael nyland swi roman waeger martin rauch sven leuenberg swe jona bergqvist marku naslund swe jan larsson patrik juhlin swe mikael renberg thoma rundqvist peter andersson swi roman waeger swi felix hollenstein sven leuenberg thoma vrabec shot goal penalti attend refere sweden min rob hearn usa switzerland min switzerland beat sweden for time sinc and swiss small chanc reach quarterfin austria beat itali tonight swiss lead hakan ahlund made incred stupid drop pass blue line and celio alon soderstrom and beat tommi stick side swede continu make mistak howald allow skate swedish and put puck past tommi make nice howald enter swedish zone slam break and shot tommi post lousiest period sweden plai thi year second period swedish team and swiss had ic puck time nyland skate board pavoni made initi save peter andersson score rebound power plai goal swiss slap shot blue line hit two player goal and past soderstrom jona bergqvist made nice pass naslund goal jan larsson reduc lead end period skate unattack front goal and put puck pavoni hole period sweden equal slap shot renberg that trickl pavoni hole anoth defens mistak swede waeger allow skate swedish goal unattack and close rang make hollenstein score break and put top shelf chanc for soderstrom switzerland goaltend reto pavoni renatio tosio defens rick tschumi martin steinegg sven leuenberg martin rauch sandro bertaggia patrick sutter samuel balmer forward alfr luthi felix hollenstein roman waeger gil montandon roberto triulzi patrick howald christian weber andrea ton joerg eberl bruno erni thoma vrabec manuel celio russia canada can kevin dineen garri gallei can paul kariya eric lindro can eric lindro paul kariya shayn corson ru valeri karpov penalti ru min min can min refere anton danko czech republ attend russia made game tournei wasn win effect canadian gallei slap shot that found dineen post and dineen deflect puck past trefilov russian goal power plai goal coupl deflect eric lindro found kariya alon post and kariya put puck high slide trefilov russia won shot period and had score opportun couldn score second period lindro score goal kariya enter russian zone slam break past defenseman made nice pass corson stick puck deflect lindro time puck russian final goal karpov broke side and made slap shot tugnutt top hand corner player game canada vote paul kariya and for russia valeri karpov agre differ thi game lindro and kariya and part tugnutt kariya had game swede and impress kariya place line lindro mike gartner rib injuri earli period lindro btw lead point score pt thi game pt ahead player doubl player kariya amaz group result finland czech republ cze petr hrbek fin mika alatalo cze jiri dolez cze martin hostak penalti fin min cze min refere vincent moreno switzerland attend germani usa ger raimond hilger ger gerd truntschka ger ernst kopf ger michael rumrich ger benoit doucet usa derek plant ger dieter hegen usa craig johnson usa rob gaudreau penalti ger min usa min refere valeri bokarev russia attend staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
rec.sport.hockey	nhl playoff result for game plai nhl playoff result for confer semi final patrick adam norri smyth buf lead stl lead win pit lead bo chi van lead nyi ti mon tor ti que lead det lead cal toronto mapl leaf detroit red wing lead seri period det lidstrom yzerman coffei period det fedorov det yzerman coffei chiasson det yzerman coffei sheppard tor mironov gill gilmour period tor gilmour anderson det ysebaert kozlov det drake kozlov kennedi powerplai opportun mapl leaf red wing shot goal mapl leaf red wing toronto mapl leaf potvin shot save detroit red wing chevelda shot save att loui blue lead seri chicago blackhawk period stl hull brown jannei stl lowri period period powerplai opportun blue blackhawk shot goal blue blackhawk loui blue joseph shot save chicago blackhawk belfour shot save att lo angel king seri ti calgari flame period lak carson period cal otto robert macinni cal yawnei dahlquist ranheim cal reichel fleuri cal nieuwendyk robert musil cal otto dahl period lak carson granato shuchuk cal reichel fleuri macinni cal paslawski robert nieuwendyk cal fleuri macinni nieuwendyk lak rychel blake lak kurri gretzki zhitnik cal suter skrudland berub powerplai opportun king flame shot goal king flame lo angel king hrudei shot save calgari flame vernon shot save att winnipeg jet vancouv canuck lead seri period van ron courtnal linden period van courtnal win domi king barn period win numminen houslei selann van bure adam craven powerplai opportun jet canuck shot goal jet canuck winnipeg jet essensa shot save vancouv canuck mclean shot save att spike
rec.sport.hockey	question goali equip rule for goali equip chang that glove becom bigger and bigger time and pad and goali wear size jersei dream you watch photo film ten year back differ quit obviou expert thi goali becom bigger jarkko troubl score
rec.sport.hockey	king even seri stauer shine articl rfbldinn abyss west sun dvb ick david van beveren write vzhivov superior carleton vladimir zhivov write game report delet bad ref ing won affect thi seri two game thing equal wrong king put exibit hustl team plai and consist pound and back calgari seri ti game each final score goal empti netter conach thi not offici game report observ stand melros made wise decis and put stauber back goal robb had prove and stop face fierc calgari attack numer highlight film save king and fourth line rose occas plai rough avoid bad penalti warren rychel score game winner earli second period rooki defenseman alexi zhitnik score blue line late dave taylor awesom suffer broken nose partwai second pariod check into board robert and game back late and ic conach score empti netter period return bring spark crowd and player plai awesom defens king gui not produc goal kurri granato sandstrom robitail total point you forgot gretzki gui start score king will unstopp continu great defens work mccreari suck call mcsore for high stick ic and sandstrom for high stick ic miss flagrant stick penalti includ flame goali jeff rees granato almost blue line cross check call game inconsist seri ticki tack penalti and almost can nhl suppli decent offici sit directli across ic ron and nanci reagan empti netter score nanci leapt seat fist high air nanci thi seri close call tuesdai game decid expect king put vernon back even rees had two good game rees histor good thi second time lost thi move good for king sinc vernon such siev that stauber will call for king stauber will net tuesdai hopefulli will provid anoth stellar perform and earn name robb stopper stauber firswt two line king wake great you cannot depend pat conach and warren rychel for your offens expect sandstrom granato and gretzki put back togeth line earli season thi leav kurri carson and luc second paper two line power can make real thi gretzki and sandstrom put number peopl left carson robatail kurri line onc ignit will light fire line hopefulli king dvb evid that score drought get luc slight breakawai steam bench thi emot break streak notic blake had good chanc score fan shot wide injuri affect stompkin tuba calpoli edu
rec.sport.hockey	ettan nya indeln articl apr eua ericsson euaaen eua ericsson ander engwal write jag rst saken norra kiruna boden pite skelleft crif husum stersund antj sundsval timr stra mora vle avesta uppsala ping arvika grum rebro lag stra kvalserien vilka stra arlanda sby vallentuna ster ker danderyd aik hammarbi dert lje lje hudding nyk ping roma dra vita sten lndal bor stervik hanhal troja ljungbi rrum pantern lag dra kvalserien det rsta det principiellt fel att man har ndrat premisserna uppflyttn efterhand det andra kan man undra varf stersund och stervik skall fri fallet stersund det solklart fix ovan mnda problem med norrgruppen men stervik det nne att nyk ping skall slippa spela der vilket klagat ver vad tror man ger exempelvi tierp som kom stra kvalet kommentar att man skull bli tvyngen att ndra premisserna kund man int lista rhand huvudsak att man int flyttar ner fel lag stersund var solklar fix som sagt men stervik att det beror nyk ping tror jag int man kund lika rna flytta ner roma till dra iaf man efter bredgraderna mest ttvist vore att tierp och stervik upp men skull roma nyk pink vara eller int vara stra ock avg ra vad skull det det rsta felet med ret indeln exakt samma som rra ret fast rre det int tvist indelat sportligt sett vallentuna var match att upp till allsvenskan rra ret ist llet gick vle upp tror dem lycka lika bra aik hif ssk och hik ska platser man hadd placerat dessa var sin divis skull vara lvklara favorit till plat allsvenskan men ste vika var finn ttvisan det jag har att hik har mnat protest till rbundet ang end indelningen stra mitt rslag vore att orna varj divis kvalspela platser allsvenskan och efter jul skull man kunna ihop fyra divisionerna till der och norr bestraffa int ett lag som kommer trakt det finn nga bra lag kul grej som jag nskar att man inf rde att vinnaren allsvenskan spela slutspelet det skull bli extra krydda till divis ett ishockeyn lagen nde att var inom ckh till bucklan det skull kansk sikt ock kunna minska skillnaderna mellan lag elitserien och divis ett vad ander engwal email ander engwal eua ericsson ellemtel utveckl voic lvsj sweden fax dom som brygger pun ock ger pyanlektionor toll marek marek repinski eo ericsson man skall int anv nda mmand ericsson telecom ord man har adekvat inhemsk system design divis vokabul disponibel sweden gunnar emanuel str gur pbbxvr jnf fjrqvfu jbag uryc jvgu ebg
rec.sport.hockey	nhl letter quit long articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write apr sol ctr columbia edu phoenix startid ctr columbia edu ali lemer write not even bother repli your rant post letter address gari bettman not you can repli wish not your post address quot letter address bettman post pretti content entiti address put letter mail doubt will figur want peopl sinc topic that interest lot folk that purpos send letter bettman and guess you didn you not repres larg bodi hockei fan standard you care us defin larg peopl constitut noth tini group fanat and repres larg bodi hockei fan internet alon largest comput network world largest comput network world phrase definit internet not group that claim repres for busi whether not larg larg compar number folk send letter for chang name thi point and for curios thought offici definit larg dictionari read larg usual power capac scope exceed thing kind quantiti size idea letter bettman issu peopl sign peopl therebi valid definit wager that geograph rang signatur quit larg give larg scope impress size list name impress thi larg assum that you agre you write and not simpli pain issu hear speak person don whether not agre letter mix emot name and don make that difficult learn game shred valid chang paul francisco shadow angel cri catcher netcom front line assembl
rec.sport.hockey	nhl letter roger respons assum thi not flame bait roger held opinion articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write that letter impli represent view group that belong and don share view and don that major poster hockei share view and intent allow simpli ahead make feel subject clear for speak for didn feel import wouldn that letter impli represent view group that you belong repres subset that you don belong larger group you thi isn moder group wai state oppos viewpoint that come mind follow subtli result not clear directli polit result will spark interest convers directli and obnoxi result valid window agre that unwarr us term immatur you realiz that you can and will us you paul francisco shadow angel cri catcher netcom front line assembl
rec.sport.hockey	wing ogrodnick articl qfpfqak vot bpedd andrew cmu edu mike molloi mmaq andrew cmu edu write haven mention ogrodnick box score plai mike isn injur plai put into lineup end season murrai sit red wing hadn plai game second murrai juggl player wing domin toronto
rec.sport.hockey	shark review part left wing articl jsk appl chuq appl chuq von rospach write paul fugu data paul brownlow write wood plai junior career seattl lead scorer mediocr team trade rare lost fight and toughest player whl wood fairli small for enforc type mean fleuri pretti good job and isn that larg dodi fleuri and fleuri enforc agit for fleuri never and never will fight you wood closest fleuri fight game two year ago lo angel scrum and mcsorlei pinch fleuri head arm fleuri drop glove and gave mcsorlei weak shot side head mcsore know good thing pop fleuri ey end fight fleuri ten stitch for troubl player can theo fight cliff ron and even give two inch and pound alan
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write articl apr adob snichol adob sherri nichol write articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write john madden pick gari clark redskin for madden team lot receiv for reason cherri sing prais doug gilmour gui heart doesn string american post that john madden lost marbl john madden doesn pretend that madden team team player john madden doesn feel denigr player doesn choos for madden team madden demonstr knowledg footbal broadcast game don cherri doesn denigr player dive showboat wield stick weapon hide visor deliber attempt injur aggrav injuri not true fact case doug gilmour prais european that thing scum cherri opinion canadian kid that tough real canadian ulf samuelsson cheap shot mark messier rib and don ulf head doug gilmour break toma sandstrom arm and don sandstrom had come methink don confus bigot like us don cherri thought great start true color redneck and asshol alan
rec.sport.hockey	makarov articl apr csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson write don shark dig into free agent market good free agent will requir quit bit compens and set shark back player develop rememb shark unwil give player addit million offer for joe murphi and that good approach sign sergei makarov thi season makarov wouldn requir compens match makarov offer real mistak dave king made thi year intellig sign year downsid career year million contract risebrough match offer king request and makarov spent last quarter season press box work ethic plain stink not mention that lost step and can longer into posit make nifti pass makarov will for free thi offseason agre pai contract ineffect calgari team san jose shortag talent taker and makarov doesn show improv train camp flame will bite bullet and bui makarov contract and releas current attitud detriment team alan
rec.sport.hockey	hart trophi stuff articl bkvinn abyss west sun dvb ick david van beveren write you nhl come mind gilmour gretzki mario mention mario you gretzki you haven you you gilmour you true maynard don even select hart deserv discuss thi group brainer agre that lemieux deserv hart brainer hart trophi player valuabl team not player leagu your arguement worthless pen mario damn good hockei team leaf gilmour fight tampa bai for pick mario deserv imho close race and gilmour victori not surpris dislik doug gilmour passion conced that extrem valuabl leaf alan
rec.sport.hockey	ranger fan articl apr eagl wesleyan edu write for happi ranger hire keenan bad that didn hire smith fire nielsen staighten babi thi team and made playoff thi team fire butt read hockei new don ranger fan write thi system and big hockei fan and long suffer ranger fan rememb suffer build charact final question team handl that last dread stretch know need offens bluelin didn mike hurlbut plai pretti call leetch joe kocur plai night not bob probert tough can plai come paul broten releg street cloth for end season plai heart and charact draw penalti and plai ic doghous for reason joe cirella ranger fan suffer loyal unlik island fan show team win stanlei cup team that can test pittsburgh and that detroit thi entertain and hard fought seri mario amaz kurt joe kocu plai night big physic gui and get fan into game big hit check and fist big advantag crowd help protect player notic fight kocur ic peopl start essa tikkanen slink kocur step big asset line and special situat plai
rec.sport.hockey	shark review part trade nlu xenon stanford edu nelson write acquir marcu thuresson island for brian mullen grade not impact thi trade thuresson not contract shark and not readi becom anytim mullen meanwhil had product somewhat season island thuresson not big scorer memori had point game swedish elit leagu thi season didn notic name frequent staffan report and didn make nation team not good sign marcu thuresson had goal assist point and pim game thi season for leksand swedish elit leagu thi point score for leksand marcu born rel young start produc shark bad trade staffan staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
rec.sport.hockey	and you espn shaft you articl rrhammer cmp ilstu edu rrhammer cmp ilstu edu write watch cap isl game basebal game piss interupt such import game understand contract you claus contract import game blue and hawk fan shaft wors and watch game abc live central illinoi area subject watch arthritu telethon area that affect telecast not game hawk vision thi game had televis home hawk game shown area sinc thi televis bull stop not depriv game due skyrocket ticket price depriv watch peac hammer familiar telethon situat individu compuserv victim and equal piss that local televis station contract not broken for that item strongli suggest you call that affili and vent your anger supposedli station had told friend that receiv hundr angri call will translat into incent pre empt hockei telecast futur contract written pathet wlaf that time slot tom galvin galvint tauru np navi mil
rec.sport.hockey	espn articl wavefront wti matthew wavefront wti matt coohil write gripe ing gripe live santa barbara for refer abc show king flame fine yawn espn fortun rainout basebal game show red wing toronto game cool swear that advertis week long had that espn show pitt tuesdai and bo buff thursdai race home work earli pacif catch game ala boston buffalo game and promis that show pitt game thursdai overnight chang mind rest delet espn never commit and never advertis thursdai game had origin schedul bo buf and that leak thi net knowledg espn never publicli releas schedul mondai announc pitt thursdai and boston buffalo saturdai tom galvin galvint tauru np navi mil
rec.sport.hockey	espn articl randolin polisci umn edu randolin polisci umn edu robert andolina write thing that confus espn that decid show penguin and devil thursdai night that two game domin pitt you that show game thi addit fact that show game for sake fair exposur nesn own right bruin telecast suspect that nesn sell telecast espn rememb espn own exclus right final not entir playoff sinc espn bought sca contract wrangl unti show devil and penguin you that can espn not show campbel confer game regularli two round that show campbel game two round seri wear game perhap game broadcast right factor come into fit western game time into current schedul nhl will make western club move game nhl shuffl deck for abc info abc coverag for thi sundai exact coverag last week pit game east chi stl central cgy mountain and west robert andolina randolin polisci umn edu tom galvin galvint tauru np navi mil
rec.sport.hockey	hab late articl apr newshub ist dchhabra stpl ist deepak chhabra write vincent damphouss decid vacat appar respect for power hockei god prevent comment and for comment whether gui damphouss trade for vacat not perhap roger demonstr contempt hockei god and pai for dare comment two mike eisler mre eng sun not leaf team fan even intellig and insight pittsburgh player mighti bright mean wallet back jan brittenson leaf pen woofer rec sport hockei
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo articl rap psuvm psu edu robbi rap psuvm psu edu write articl afpiknm wbli isj andrew cmu edu william willi andrew cmu edu you never appreci bob errei ring sparkl that locker room and correct wrong fuhr ring sparkl errei and doesn bob ring mike eisler mre eng sun not leaf team fan even intellig and insight pittsburgh player mighti bright mean wallet back jan brittenson leaf pen woofer rec sport hockei
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo boston defens articl hsdndev harvard edu nhma gauss med harvard edu mark shneyder write bruin never come back win fall entir year histori doesn mean sinc statist base game playoff format dark for disappoint problem mental need save blue perhap can offer mental ralli you get start game hope blue team can ralli moog can jan brittenson bson gnu mit edu
rec.sport.hockey	pen fan reaction impress bowman coach tactic had answer for move that brook thrown pen susan dart such jake
rec.sport.hockey	flame final king destroi vzhivov superior carleton vladimir zhivov write flame final score calgari thing back belong gretzki didn plai kelli hrudei hope flame put timer asap vlad impal last coupl month kinng fail show game last night that game jon
rec.sport.hockey	shark jack feirerra shark kingston fire articl jgl appl chuq appl chuq von rospach write snichol adob sherri nichol write ferreira had trade number veteran margin contribut fire not clear that thi margin contributor not forget that ferreira thi close trade kelli kisio rumor heard true strong object aspect shark manag and had lot ouster and head consensu orient imagin for second shark todai that fax machin hadn jam hand hard press real mistak fereirra made imagin benefit hindsight that view shark upper manag attempt trade kisio major factor decis fire feirerra inclin exactli opposit view luckiest man hockei sacrific made muse fax job guess fun gak richard stueven aha erect multitud internet gak wr offic and hither swarm attmail attmail gakhau gak sharx offic harass peopl cow palac and eat substanc
rec.sport.hockey	lemieux get hart jeez hope not articl apr unbvm csd unb patrick walker unb wrote hart gretzki not million year not thi year hasn plai year yzerman nice don consist not thought mario jesu bad for utter word extrem sick and piss gui luber becom stuntman retir jeez expericen fall oop stick didn come anywh gotta fall penalti team annual whine thon todai host jerri lewi canadian plai and watch hockei night canada never miss show not home team final and hockei fan for ten minut give king break thi mario player gretzki die bobbi clark and broadstreet bulli whous mario bounc puck not that condon violenc make except for mario mario complain hit give and scotti real complain rambl you can hate mario pat walker unb you mario lemieux anoth planet differ that lemieux come geo washington ab lincoln and great men and women thi world you come david koresh yeah mario good draw penalti wouldn you you claim plai give your team advantag don rememb lemieux get dive penalti thi year final mario never complain hit part game get back dish even bigger hit gui score goal set don you compass for man life georg
rec.sport.hockey	articl bigboot wpi edu ching bigwpi wpi edu logistician write player wear nhl rai borqu for bruin greatli appreci logistician reign suprem blue tiger piston lion red wing ching wpi wpi edu pierr turgeon nyi and paul coffei detorit hope thi anson
rec.sport.hockey	pen fan reaction terenc rokop write richard coyl write that not calm boredom and spoil arena quiet church night thi year win for grant seemingli forev sinc team lost and forgotten feel real excit and surpris victori don agre thi high rate cup pen won didn watch mario and skate thing ic question whether not thirti year young hockei fan million will watch thi team that plai for nervou devil blast shot barrasso final second game fun not bore peopl that win second cup noth will top that bit excit thi year and experienc that calm susan origin refer calm not boredom arena gener bore richard that that season attribut lot fan don spirit and knowledg long time fan last tuesdai game overheard man express surpris that goaltend can assist follow sport regular that can happen time confid pen not stupid for minut that imposs for jersei blow thi seri doubt that will happen bore spoil not forgot excit live that amaz streak wasn excit don darn thing for grant god chicago and problem quietli savor thi isn gonna last forev and intend enjoi can mom
rec.sport.hockey	nhl alltim score leader nhl alltim leader goal and point end season joseph achkar carl note activ player player that score point past season point leader follow goal leader you find mistak send email time nhl lead goal scorer denot activ player gordi how det hfd wayn gretzki edm marcel dionn det nyr phil esposito chi bo nyr bobbi hull chi wpg hfd mike gartner wsh min nyr mike bossi nyi gui lafleur mtl nyr que johnni bucyk det bo mauric richard mtl stan mikita chi frank mahovlich tor det mtl michel goulet que chi jari kurri edm bryan trottier nyi pit gilbert perreault buf jean beliveau mtl lanni mcdonald tor col cgy jean ratel nyr bo norm ullman det tor dino ciccarelli min wsh det darryl sittler tor phi det mario lemieux pit glenn anderson edm tor alex delvecchio det mark messier edm nyr dale hawerchuk wpg buf rick middleton nyr bo steve yzerman det peter stastni que rick vaiv van tor chi buf joe mullen stl cgy pit yvan cournoy mtl dave taylor steve shutt mtl deni savard chi mtl bill barber phi brian propp phi bo min gari unger tor det stl atl edm rod gilbert nyr steve larmer chi john ogrodnick det que nyr activ player berni nichol nyr edm pat lafontain nyi buf brian bellow min mtl dave andreychuk buf tor tim kerr phi nyr hfd bobbi smith min mtl brett hull cgy stl luc robitail mike foligno det buf tor dave christian wpg wsh bo stl chi paul coffei edm pit det brent sutter nyi chi pat verbeek hfd ron franci hfd pit cam neeli van bo rai bourqu bo bob carpent wsh nyr bo tor brent ashton van col min que det wpg bo cgy doug gilmour stl cgy tor rick tocchet phi pit kevin dineen hfd phi toma sandstrom nyr dale hunter que wsh ryan walter wsh mtl van brian mullen wpg nyr nyi olczyk chi tor wpg nyr kirk muller mtl joe nieuwendyk cgy jimmi carson edm det time nhl score leader denot activ player wayn gretzki edm gordi how det hfd marcel dionn det nyr phil esposito chi bo nyr stan mikita chi bryan trottier nyi pit johnni bucyk det bo gui lafleur mtl nyr que gilbert perreault buf alex delvecchio det jean ratel nyr bo mark messier edm nyr norm ullman det tor peter stastni que jean beliveau mtl dale hawerchuk wpg buf bobbi clark phi paul coffei edm pit det deni savard chi mtl jari kurri edm mario lemieux pit bobbi hull chi wpg hfd berni federko stl mike bossi nyi michel goulet que chi darryl sittler tor phi det mike gartner wsh min nyr frank mahovlich tor det mtl rai bourqu bo dave taylor deni potvin nyi henri richard mtl steve yzerman det bobbi smith min mtl rod gilbert nyr glenn anderson edm tor lanni mcdonald tor col cgy rick middleton nyr bo dave keon tor hfd ron franci hfd pit berni nichol nyr edm brian propp phi bo min andi bathgat nyr tor det pit mauric richard mtl larri robinson mtl dino ciccarelli min wsh det steve larmer chi joe mullen stl cgy pit bobbi orr bo chi brad park nyr bo det butch gore nyi bo bill barber phi denni maruk cal cle wsh min ivan boldirev bo cal chi atl van det yvan cournoy mtl dean prentic nyr bo det pit min ted lindsai det chi tom lysiak atl chi dale hunter que wsh john tonelli nyi cgy chi que jacqu lemair mtl larri murphi wsh min pit john ogrodnick det que nyr doug wilson chi doug gilmour stl cgy tor red kelli det tor pierr larouch pit mtl hfd nyr berni geoffrion mtl nyr steve shutt mtl phil houslei buf wpg wilf paiment col tor que nyr buf pit peter mcnab buf bo van brian bellow min mtl dave andreychuk buf tor pit martin det bo chi van pat lafontain nyi buf ken linesman phi edm bo gari unger tor det stl atl edm ken hodg chi bo nyr neal broten min wayn cashman bo rick vaiv van tor chi buf borj salm tor det jean pronovost pit atl wsh peter mahovlich det mtl pit dave christian wpg wsh bo stl chi rick keho tor pit rick macleish phi hfd pit det thoma steen wpg activ player macinni cgy luc robitail mike foligno det buf tor brent sutter nyi chi mark how hfd phi det kirk muller mtl tim kerr phi nyr hfd adam oat det stl bo randi carlyl tor pit wpg ryan walter wsh mtl van pat verbeek hfd brent ashton van col min que det wpg bo cgy bob carpent wsh nyr bo tor brian mullen wpg nyr nyi olczyk chi tor wpg nyr kelli kisio det nyr brett hull cgy stl rick tocchet phi pit dan quinn cgy pit van stl phi min scott steven wsh stl toma sandstrom nyr tom fergu bo tor van dave babych wpg hfd van mike ridlei nyr wsh lauri boschman tor edm wpg ott keith acton mtl min edm phi murrai craven det phi hfd kevin dineen hfd phi rob ramag col stl cgy tor min mike krushelnyski bo edm tor gari suter cgy pierr turgeon buf nyi troi murrai chi wpg cam neeli van bo geoff courtnal bo edm wsh stl van vincent damphouss tor edm mtl jimmi carson edm det peter zezel phi stl wsh tor gui carbonneau mtl mark osborn det nyr tor wpg chri chelio mtl chi dave poulin phi bo rai ferraro hfd nyi russ courtnal tor mtl min joe nieuwendyk cgy john maclean
rec.sport.hockey	espn want show good game put quebec montreal game talk bout areivalri opp rivalri roland roland
rec.sport.hockey	nhl draft ariel yorku shawn luddington write for pick ottawa pick mean almost that alexand daigl will stai trade montreal quebec dunno hat friend geni that ottawa soft daigl and think hard pronger daigl shown attitud part thi season folk havn like and come back second multi game suspens for stupid tank perform stock drop rock rememb that lot teh draft stuff come assumpt trade quebec for lot prospect not clear that quebec will pai lot for current statu round don pick lock mean thi point that senat postur bring sign price sinc daigl take lindro lesson tho suspens imo kariya alot leadership ncaa and world championship daigl didn show thi for junior team san jose will kariya kariya won for simpl reason not leav colleg and don expans team us for won for anoth year two not equal good almost good stuff that can make impact san jose lean heavili niedermay for that reason kariya team can convinc leav school earli doubt cut thing stand todai draft order ottawa daigl not pronger san jose niedermay ottawa skip daigl open depend shark can deal for don draft tampa bai ottawa doesn koslov chuq imho von rospach esd support train dal aux chuq appl member sfwa editor otherrealm geni mac bigot alink chuq minor leagu fan minor request medraut appl san jose giant san francisco giant fan giant request medraut appl stick not san jose shark fan shark request medraut appl seat tbd
rec.sport.hockey	shark kingston fire spiegel sgi msd lmsc lockhe mark spiegel write gaetz not back year event shark pick gaetz won back rumor offici releas end season contract expir haven confirm clear talk shark doctor that wasn make for and shark sign contract problem compet ihl level thi spring doesn make sens chuq imho von rospach esd support train dal aux chuq appl member sfwa editor otherrealm geni mac bigot alink chuq minor leagu fan minor request medraut appl san jose giant san francisco giant fan giant request medraut appl stick not san jose shark fan shark request medraut appl seat tbd
rec.sport.hockey	bruin joe pitt edu joseph stiehm write come boston hell you win row and choke anoth brian sutter team ground into dirt intens regular season and burn playoff time yah fuhr awesom you sutter learn lesson push team regular season stuart esrock bowl green state bout blue
rec.sport.hockey	camera work televis game articl apr vax cit cornel edu yecx vax cit cornel edu write camera work game sad can rememb time penguin devil game show gui puck check corner puck fire goal fact even miss goal complet show two gui hold each corner last time watch footbal game didn show lineman run back turn corner for touchdown greg espn thing follow puck concept televis hockei game main problem hockei that difficult show that happen puck sport footbal and can iso footbal player shown plai problem that sometim you worthwhil time you burn tom galvin galvint tauru np navi mil
rec.sport.hockey	joseph and blue shut warthawk blue cleveland freenet edu jim schenk write last point darryl sutter get badli coach bob berri madder darryl get remind brian hawk quickli loos thier focu don blue will win you never not sutter bash sinc idol player you sutter learn burn team regular season intens regular season earlier post note brian and think read thi item gee sutter won divis and lost home ic advantag and get smoke open seri playoff kind make you bottom line man great smoke warthawk agre jim thi damn sweet thing that come close thi shut mapl laugh fan detroit complet kick ass will stick blue for provid playoff tonic stuart esrock bowl green state you blue
rec.sport.hockey	playoff consecut loss record recent demis chicago blawkhawk delight notic game playoff lose streak pen last year and blue and wonder nhl record for consecut loss even pretti that hawk game lose streak sinc had lost seri sinc last championship whenev that basic rag hawk fan friend mike insomniac rush marillion emerson lake and palmer genesi dream theater mike weintraub aka jvi irc sig quot jour mweintr american edu life scissor paper jedi wave cerf net stone game answer american univers sometim washington each neil peart rush philadelphia philli and vancouv canuck
rec.sport.hockey	lemieux get hart jeez hope not articl apr unbvm csd unb patrick walker unb write hart gretzki not million year not thi year hasn plai year yzerman nice don consist not thought mario jesu bad for utter word extrem sick and piss gui luber rambl you can hate mario pat walker unb not bother reprint your pathet excus for post mario fan not you respect can blade for hart trophi guess win score titl twenti dai cancer lead team presid trophi and break win streak record process shouldn even qualifi for award year tend game barrasso rest realist mario earn accolad and deserv attent that get lose jealou attitud and you start enjoi hockei finest maze
rec.sport.hockey	belfour and roenick playoff houdini belfour and roenick anoth disappear act chip time look blackhawk defens carri playoff held loui shot game and lost keenan had insight
rec.sport.hockey	ranger fan articl apr alleg edu ballb rei alleg edu brett ball write articl apr eagl wesleyan edu write for happi ranger hire keenan bad that didn hire smith fire nielsen staighten babi thi team and made playoff thi team fire butt read hockei new don ranger fan write thi system and big hockei fan and long suffer ranger fan rememb suffer build charact final question team handl that last dread stretch know need offens bluelin didn mike hurlbut plai pretti call leetch joe kocur plai night not bob probert tough can plai come paul broten releg street cloth for end season plai heart and charact draw penalti and plai ic doghous for reason joe cirella ranger fan suffer loyal unlik island fan show team win stanlei cup team that can test pittsburgh and that detroit thi entertain and hard fought seri mario amaz kurt joe kocu plai night big physic gui and get fan into game big hit check and fist big advantag crowd help protect player notic fight kocur ic peopl start essa tikkanen slink kocur step big asset line and special situat plai thi fast game goon admit kocur fan into game sure broten take pass kovalev and score breakawai goal put ranger magic goal period kocur anoth stupid penalti and ranger give anoth powerplai goal ranger anoth top flight center can pressur messier and line nemchinov perfect line center beezer richter kurt
rec.sport.hockey	binghampton ranger playoff game msg will televis binghampton ranger playoff game even tape replai nice
rec.sport.hockey	pen broadcast articl mfqk awn sskqm andrew cmu edu nathan robert peter andrew cmu edu write rumor pittsburgh that penguin broadcast chang season rumor kbl leadership compani broadcast pen game limit love broadcast mike lang radio and hire don cherri broadcast partner thi mean paul stiegerwald fire good riddanc thi lang fun broadcast listen and pen game wouldn hear cherri doesn high opinion lemieux ulf sammuelsson jaromir jagr suppos broadcast game that larg number digit paycheck and not binari don fan ulf jaro and mario nate peter lifetim penguin fan even kevin stamber purdu univers top reason pittsburgh penguin won patrick divis strong desir cup back your neighborhood eat park special cook
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo boston defens person expect moog blue plai fairli decent alright spectacular time game moog experi blue for noth happen tie game prssure goal tender insur that you puck your team score blue didn face that kind pressur tuesdai bruin will come storm that for that thi seri buffalo boston for two bad pass game hasn plai that bad believ statist you that your puck fuhr sooner shoot game plan sound lead and control tempo imho pat elli bruin umain black bear number hockei east regular season champion hockei east tournament champion paul kariya hobei baker award winner ncaa div hockei tournament champion ggggooooooo bbbllluueeee
rec.sport.hockey	oiler for sale golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write probabl that oiler not anywher gerald happen star dalla pocklington chosen thi moment make last stand moment maximum advantag provinci govern month provinci elect moment maximum power convinc northland give arena deal purchas price and nhl collect agreement player involv enhanc revenu share gerald alberta elect slate fou june alli wrong thi time pocklington end embarass klein ahead ultimatum pocklington thing stupid not gerald peopl ax grind thi gui cannot stai for long can dictat term citi will pai price edmonton doesn peopl edmonton won budg trust thi edmonton intern airport and surrend supremaci calgari and year edmonton hard hit govern cutback will screw recogniton manag find lose hockei team northland continu us oiler subsid hors race northland won budg ccord board member bruce campbel thi case long term financi viabil oiler fact that pocklington basic own team and provok crisi team accumul million dollar loss becom habitu uncompetit lack monei haven heard attend coliseum lowest thi year hint hint remeb person vendetta sather job oiler pois competit strachan knowledgebl hockei writer canada post mortem oiler season globe and mail recent agre gerald don blame sather thi battl peol and pocklington start and worst pocklington sold gretzki dai you can shake hand pocklington respectalb us season dai goe gerald btw delet name post writer dave shariff yadalle econ math alberta yadal amisk ualberta god save queen god bless rememb jesu save live etern damnat newfoundland good clyde vote liber
rec.sport.hockey	leaf favour articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write onc leaf overcam red wing possibl excit game plai thi playoff year potvin solid and wendel complet domin probert gilmour usual player ic and claim that andreychuk fade playoff note andreychuk averag goal game star andreychuk goal wendel probert probert todd gill plai excel game can doug gilmour gilmour bring mind davei keon previou leaf dynasti predict track nyi buffalo and leaf king leaf nyi final can thi pass island past pitt assum isl beat cap god will isl will crush leaf flame shield ask interject opinion matter concern island jet for cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
rec.sport.hockey	berni nichol man matthew rush start push edg imho holik chop barrasso neck wasn sportsmanlik that beat penguin injur philosophi pretti obviou that holik hit barrasso accid even apolog for immedi penguin jump ralph
rec.sport.hockey	hawk articl netnew upenn edu ldecock mail sa upenn edu luke decock wrote player hawk lost screw peluso hapless blue lost steven and gave oat blue won thi you kid lose steven blue shanahan and joseph trade oat for jannei hawk fan you respect hapless name let score game win overtim goal game luke decock ldecock mail sa upenn david howarth howarth sbctri sbc southwestern bell technolog resourc inc advanc technolog laboratori pine loui
rec.sport.hockey	fuhr deserv credit sabr sweep fuhr role articl revcrinneij shellei washington edu lzuo byron washington edu joseph write articl randolin polisci umn edu randolin polisci umn edu robert andolina write peopl suggest that fuhr plai reason that sabr beat bruin fuhr critic factor not overlook fact that sabr final score peopl mogilni and lafontain khmylev sweenei hawerchuck etc lafontain plai hurt and didn score goal team plai defens not great regular season fuhr deserv lot credit not robert agre thi fuhr contribut for sabr win palyer team mogilni had six goal game includ two goal for great comeback final win fuhr had left kei for sabr win boston team strong commit underdog and talent player includ mogilni and fuhr that grant fuhr deserv credit that true that entir sabr team plai that wasn for grant fuhr seri ti virtual stole game and for sabr game fuhr stood head give sabr chanc win game fuhr made seri huge stop period score ti even game sabr won score that sabr domin hadn for fuhr sabr wouldn period and bruin wouldn had open game therebi allow mogilni score goal breakawai salt game doubt mind that fuhr critic factor victori opinion neeli oat and juneau plai lafontain mogilni and hawerchuk sabr extraordinari effort hannan sweenei wood and khmylev compar that bruin checker bruin defens imo plai sabr defens sabr ken sutton plai regular shift afteral differ seri fuhr outplai andi moog gari sabr
rec.sport.hockey	minnesota shame articl xpu constel ecn uoknor edu hunter nsslsun nssl uoknor edu steve hunter write hockei fan back and maintain interest can hockei hinterland oklahoma hope can read you move north star dalla impress that minnesota possibl hockei state team move citi texa that owner greedi serv profit star not make profit citi own arena price goug opinion hockei fan terribl thing hei give hockei team citi that don that fine anoth team thrive hockei town and move will real insid stori group minneapoli businessmen told green repeatedli that purchas remain season ticket level that green want refus time pretti obviou that determin minneapoli cost and us season ticket thing excus fortun penultim game and fan great peopl tailgat and plai roller hockei park lot game attend full sro and atmospher centr terrif minnesota hockei usa nhl can blith major leagu team move hope team ali ali procrastin lemer gave nhl commission gari bettman puck columbia univers nyc onc spent rest dai phoenix ctr columbia edu open pat william orlando magic kind anim hug hockei player
rec.sport.hockey	nhl letter quit long articl apr sol ctr columbia edu phoenix startid ctr columbia edu ali lemer write hei didja hear that fanat cool can acr compound replet weapon and ammo cach barbequ ali can thi get attent thi group playoff ali you blabber moron you wait till end playoff start your dumb letter campaign ppv mark
rec.sport.hockey	ahl playoff result concret score for sat game ahl playoff score round home team cap game plai sat baltimor binghamton rochest utica springfield provid seri stati plural statu adirondack defeat cdi springfield defeat provid binghamton ti baltimor rochest defeat utica john lead moncton cape breton defeat fredericton bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruin contact for rec sport hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu
rec.sport.hockey	calder cup playoff schedul full calder cup playoff schedul and result home team cap necesari round springfield indian provid bruin springfield provid springfield provid provid springfield provid springfield springfield provid springfield provid springfield win seri island adirondack red wing adirondack cdi adirondack cdi adirondack cdi adirondack cdi adirondack win seri baltimor skipjack binghamton ranger baltimor binghamton binghamton baltimor binghamton baltimor baltimor binghamton baltimor binghamton binghmaton baltimor baltimor binghamton utica devil rochest american utica rochest rochest utica rochest utica rochest utica rochest utica rochest win seri moncton hawk john mapl leaf john moncton halifax john moncton halifax john moncton moncton john moncton john halifax john moncton moncton john halifax cape breton oiler fredericton canadien fredericton cape breton cape breton fredericton cape breton fredericton cape breton fredericton cape breton won bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruin contact for rec sport hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu
rec.sport.hockey	score and stand april world championship germani group stand munich group stand dortmund canada czech republ russia finland sweden usa itali germani switzerland franc austria norwai april itali russia norwai germani sweden austria usa czech republ april canada switzerland russia austria finland franc april sweden canada czech republ germani switzerland itali finland usa april germani franc itali sweden czech republ norwai april switzerland russia usa franc austria canada norwai finland april switzerland austria germani finland april russia sweden czech republ franc canada itali usa norwai april sweden switzerland finland czech republ russia canada germani usa april austria itali franc norwai playoff april quarterfin april quarterfin april releg april semifin releg bronz medal game final staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
rec.sport.hockey	result april world championship germani group result russia switzerland ru alexei yashin ru alexei yashin ru ilia biakin ru andrei khomutov ru ilia biakin ru sergei sorokin penalti ru min min game penalti swi min refere rob hearn usa attend canada austria can shayn corson can rod brind amour can paul kariya can gerri gallei can eric lindro can rod brind amour can eric lindro can eric lindro can brian savag can brian ben can geoff sanderson penalti can min aut min attend usa franc fra antoin richer usa adam burt usa rob gaudreau usa jeff lazaro usa adam burt usa shjon podein usa rob gaudreau penalti usa min fra min refere darren loraa canada attend finland norwai fin juha riihijarvi fin kari harila penalti fin min min refere sven erik sold sweden attend goal scorer eric lindro can rod brind amour can dieter hegen ger andrei khomutov ru geoff sanderson can ilia biakin ru adam burt usa viacheslav bykov ru jiri dolez cze mike gartner can rob gaudreau usa patrik juhlin swe frank pajonkowski fra bernd truntschka ger jarkko varvio fin alexei yashin ru stat fastest goal game face second steve larmer canada game sweden end bori michailov ussr consecut game loss ussr ussr canada ussr canada staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
rec.sport.hockey	oiler hamilton articl apr spang camosun freenet victoria tom moffat write oiler move hamilton divis will plai tom moffat victoria canada guess hamilton put into midwest winnipeg dalla move pacif bill hart macsch
rec.sport.hockey	minnesota shame impress that minnesota possibl hockei state team move citi texa that owner greedi serv profit star not make profit citi own arena price goug norman green claim that lost monei last year that own team bought team kind obviou that deal year red team start make profit gave impress that will claim two year ago that team need averag fan per game order pull profit thi season team averag fan despit increasd ticket price team attend and plai upward trend leav dumbfound ignor that decid move even offer concess rude demand such guarante season ticket sale cheap rent two arena town etc guess bottom line green want huge return dalla and wasn will wait anoth year dalla gave green pretti stellar deal plai feel minnesota quit reason and croni thi mean that minnesota nhl team for year two bad for nhl kea
rec.sport.hockey	winnipeg vancouv articl unixhub slac stanford edu groger ravel slac stanford edu greg roger write mkr stud hsn morten kristiansen write read thi you canuck fan winnipeg kick vancouv butt badli not sit for week and thi not joke predict fourth game winnipeg winnipeg vancouv selann steen score coupl goal each winnipeg win stanlei cup playoff you jet fanat normal jet fan pretti good fourth game physic plai game moron post that continu year jet will cremeat canuck and selann will smash bure into board full don you cue fromm daryl and wait till you make fool not predict canuck and come back home not swing seri wrap toni bravo toni sick mindless fanat blind faith jet fan prpbabli predict end world accur coutcom playoff seri will admit that mindless fanatica blind faith canuck fan unlik winterpeg not vent spleen world great team confid and that grant jet finish season hot and canuck troubl vancouv built reput for playoff team flame fan not win seri alwai fight end admit that last year not great combin work ethic past tallent present will tough beat note not pummel team meet and destroi greatest player plai todai canuck fan love cup feel good chanc make smyth and shot detroit can lose loui pittsburgh make cup put monei even face canuck buffalo montreal quebec beat pittsburgh choos winner vancuov and detroit cup and part note for jet fan time winnepeg made final canuck greg devorski help taint brilliant displai maclean canuck ti jet tightli that thought that mail btw greg time don fall asleep geographi class pretti sad fellow norwai can spell winnipeg properli and gui north america can thing long vancouv nhl championship yeah and can arena and not not two six championship banner hang rafter stanlei cup banner and avco cup banner nhl guid that vancouv won cup onc time rockin town kenora won daryl turner contact for winnipeg jet internet umturn ccu umanitoba fidonet rout tkachuk zhamnov sel nne shoot score jet win cup jet win cup essensa for vezina houslei for norri sel nne for calder
rec.sport.hockey	cap postseason fortun cap break golf club histori washington capit futil record playoff rememb that terri year year that cap final made round brian notic that year cap second round and year didn make past round thi trend continun admir hopeless cap fan rememb that loss island aurggghhhhhhhhh admir steve liu internet address admir jhunix hcf jhu edu world champion baltimor oriol not seri yard stanlei cup champion washington capit bangl greatest femal rock band that exist thi sig brought you frungi sport king god man drill hole head not answer mccoi
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rec.sport.hockey	leaf wing articl lmarsha cm wayn edu lmarsha cm wayn edu lauri marshal write articl apr mk chuck mk chuck lowni write last night game toronto receiv penalti detroit game you watch didn you period wing had penalti call and delai penalti leaf had man advantag for minut and man advantag for anoth minut two and leaf couldn score and leaf score powerplai goal you never had powerplai detroit paper todai penalti call last night game and you detroit had penalti guess you watch period admitt leaf alot penalti that period wing didn haven look box score ref made for period lauri marshal wayn state univers detroit michigan wing apolog for typo meant wing had power plai period and leaf point isn that ref bias that call lot penalti work benefit wing ref call bunch penalti team call bunch make for take lot great game
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rec.sport.hockey	winnipeg vancouv articl ccu umanitoba umturn ccu umanitoba daryl turner write yeah and can arena and not not two six championship banner hang rafter stanlei cup banner and avco cup banner nhl guid that vancouv won cup onc time rockin town kenora won don thi confus winnipeg jet never won stanlei cup even come that close stanlei cup championship back long turn centuri winnipeg victoria won cup jet didn win can you irrelev argu playoff seri todai won stanlei cup turn centuri let face fact canuck lead seri canuck domin jet season seri canuck regular season winnipeg team that fact show that vancouv winnipeg gregmeist
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rec.sport.hockey	don cherri pen annouc lli cmu edu lori iannamico write articl publish thi morn pittsburgh post gazett kbl pgh cabl sport channel presid bill craig confirm that had preliminari talk mouth north don cherri craig interest hire cherri color comment and for post game duti consid for open broadcast job current pen announc mike lang and paul steigerwald craig spoke yesterdai kbl stan savaran and gui junker espn mike emrick broadcast doug mccloud and tsn jim hughson kbl and penguin ink deal give kbl and radio right pen game plan that kbl entir night hockei start pre game show and run post game show that sign depend length game don cherri announc penguin game yeah and quot pgh goofi mayor queen sheba and badli slam pen coach corner hockei night canada surpris peopl will for monei won lori contact for penguin lli cmu edu randi
rec.sport.hockey	wing will win gballent vancouv uvic greg ballentin write articl orasi vi toronto edu bdown vi toronto edu brian write stuff delet for exampl pat quinn canuck not that murrai and familiar trade garth butcher good player and dan quinn not nhl anymor loui for cliff ron geoff courtnal sergio mommesso and robert dirk good true thi comment you made earlier post quinn take advantag major leagu bonehead for loui thi trade absolut stupid trade for loui and not stupid trade that thi gui made can give quinn credit for opportunist stuff trade delet team improv greater amount detroit sinc you figur vancouv and detroit thing last year won divis had close number point round playoff final escap game and knock second round team beat talent specif rememb correctli place team thi make vancouv improv not mistaken wing had point vancouv end thi season albeit not gregmeist randi
rec.sport.hockey	oiler hamilton articl apr spang camosun freenet victoria tom moffat oiler move hamilton divis will plai and won chang name steeler signific deposit oil hamilton caus tire fire year back nba can utah jazz laker lake guess nhl can hamilton oiler
rec.sport.hockey	senat sign top draft pick report ottawa todai that senat come verbal agreement last season pick and choic alexei yashin year deal senat sign second round pick chad pennei plai for sault ste mari greyhound ontario junior leagu playoff mike amico bnr ottawa ontario
rec.sport.hockey	stewart homer wing andi bgsu edu bgsu edu andi bgsu edu ryan write paul stewart call singl worst game thi year federov major obviou and don disput chaisson penalti shouldn even penalti alon major and game misconduct don notic ref and linesmen playoff come and agre that stewart call two worst game mtl quebec game and last night toronto detroit game scoop thi gui latest incarn kerri fraser you boneheadedli stubborn doesn make you good ref make call vote for ref van hellemond improv koharski worst paul stewart oop don want start worst ref thread don follow paul yatrou
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri pen annouc kbl and penguin ink deal give kbl and radio right pen game plan that kbl entir night hockei start pre game show and run post game show that sign depend length game don cherri announc penguin game yeah and quot pgh goofi mayor queen sheba lori contact for penguin lli cmu edu watch hockei hotlin last night and stan that station kbl had reciev call dai thi subject and verdict that almost exclus want that load mouth blow hard bruin whiner ulf hate scum suck misseri pittsburgh perman basi that not exactli stan bit interprit cmu kiddi
rec.sport.hockey	nhl letter quit long obnoxi name call delet net privleg revok second skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	nhl letter quit long roger shut you skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	minnesota shame hockei fan back and maintain interest can hockei hinterland oklahoma hope can read you move north star dalla impress that minnesota possibl hockei state team move citi texa that owner greedi serv profit star not make profit citi own arena price goug nhl hour drive can feel for peopl minnesota didn support team opinion us work for star minnesota support team extent had quit afew sellout thi season cup run and final norm main bitch that wasn luxuri suit and had not full want box and want full ask for peopl that and hockei game high school for colleg for that mark qmpro radioact cat hot origin origin line not defin goedit
rec.sport.hockey	springfield indian ahl offic crosspost ahl mail list discuss and chri lerch subject springfield round upset provid bruin chri basic rais possibl that ahl hierarchi bias favor indian note that offic for leagu spring and indian work for ahl inform that back year ago cup final roch and spring that amerk charg favorit offic and that question thing liket ahl presid and staff attend game springfield brass includ sit box for game springfield and rochest media openli cheer for springfield thi that quit thi true don thi whine part amerk pull thi sort crap wing true thi somth that rais question presid jack butterfield leadership btw thi post permiss chri bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruin contact for rec sport hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu
rec.sport.hockey	wash isl game thi come indirectli morgani work studio for espn hockei manag espn reluct leav pitt game even outcom fear wash game overtim cap score left tie game heard peopl espn contractu oblig show basebal and not broadcast hockei game year espn will introduc basebal fan can watch basebal and hockei fan can watch hockei espn back and stop post articl thi subject complain thi game that make sick geoff filinuk
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl letter quit long articl apr sol ctr columbia edu phoenix startid ctr columbia edu ali lemer write ali procrastin lemer gave nhl commission gari bettman puck columbia univers nyc onc spent rest dai phoenix ctr columbia edu open pat william orlando magic kind anim hug hockei player nice sig chang btw you post name peopl letter and includ not want roger fool skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	switzerland articl apr vm huji hechel vm huji write thi qualif tournement for olymp game lillehamm team qualifi for hopp schwiiz daniel top team thi tournament will plai olymp year last team thi tournament top two pool great britain and poland and winner pool latvia will plai for last olymp spot fall year host norwai finish surpris team pool that will plai qualif tournament marko tervio
rec.sport.hockey	cap move pollin want move cap own cap centr don sell game draw lot bullet you had situat that ab had you move you guarante that game park stadium noth half mile recent construct area can win game rich you read hat movi imu morn blurb you blurb seinfeld
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo boston defens articl bson apr nutrimat gnu mit edu bson gnu mit edu jan brittenson write doesn mean sinc statist base game playoff format dark for disappoint fat ladi hit note deficit chanc for comeback that base game playoff format you get start game hope blue team can ralli moog can start headlin boston local sportscat sutter blue and harri sinden appear dress room game pathet site retard cover sutter thi game not win lose harri check schedul your team playoff and long summer vacat sundai morn harri and buttkiss milburi will never admit that screw major brought dumbest peopl busi brian sutter sutter playoff record head coach loui speak for blue chanc advanc second round thi year ppv mark
rec.sport.hockey	regular season pool thi final regular season stat for you can find april edit usa todai and you come adam oat bruin pt teemu selann jet pt alexand mogilni sabr pt pavel bure canuck pt vincent damphouss canadian pt dave andreychuk mapleleaf pt phil houslei jet pt paul coffei redw pt sergei fedorov redw pt andi moog bruin pt infrat capiti pt patrick roi canadian pt macinni flame pt denni savard canadian pt call johansson capit pt yuri khmylev sabr pt richard smehlik sabr pt total point pt valuabl player adam oat rooki year teemu selann improv player vincent damphouss defenseman year phil houslei goali year patrick roi
rec.sport.hockey	anoth travesti joe loui articl apr mtroyal caldwel mtroyal write detroit april knowledg observ onc watch shock detroit red wing beat goaltend world six time rout anoth easi victori team nhl for goaltend world felix potvin six bad number surrend six goal and collect six minut penalti repons goon tactic emploi inferior red wing team alan told you thi happen roger didn love roger haven heard awhil golf wait for leaf join dai lauri marshal wayn state univers detroit michigan wing
rec.sport.hockey	wing new and playoff thought root detroit valuabl asset wing and perhap ranger zombo return wake and smell norri rick zombo trade blue for vinc riendo last season mike
rec.sport.hockey	wing new and playoff thought chevelda concern decent goali logic trade offseason detroit and ranger beezer trade enjoi opportun back root detroit valuabl asset wing and perhap ranger zombo return beezer good year and opportun fresh start energ plai problem that zombo trade loui last year for goali vincent riendeau that chevi not elit class goali adequ offens firepow wing greg
rec.sport.hockey	hei teh cannuck groger slacvx slac stanford edu greg roger write due live bai area unabl vancouv victori jet last night score that rare describ game post sonapsi waht happen each team plai cannuck deserv victori opinion canuck plai strong game pleas strong game linden kei success for thi year defens had strong game heard selann name night craven plai game sinc come except didn high fly jet high fly thought jet defenc look overmatch canuck forward will improv that want make thi seri short great start chri ronei mail chri ronei sfu
rec.sport.hockey	canuck winnipeg jet gave canuck anoth run for monei almost ident game seri onc short vancouv outscor winnipeg pattern game repeat tonight canuck score quickli and sleep second period stave jet comeback opportun goal greater talent jet look danger thi didn make differ number that count goal vancouv big line produc centr cliff ron and left winger geoff courtnal score and second boost canuck lead giveawai suspect jet defenc bautin and ulanov mental laps defenc and goal score talent opportun area made differ canuck goal game jet work hard game canuck second period jet domin second check hard and penetr vancouv zone challeng canuck team that want pack earli hard work paid late second tie domi caught vancouv goali kirk mclean surpris sharp angl shot make score domi goal gave jet life began rush canuck collaps defenc canuck unwil mclean shot and clear rebound jet allow set and make plai goali made standup save plai pick consider mclean made great save second danc teammu selann essensa rock pavel bure drive selann look danger rush jet press seri attack into canuck zone canuck hand look offer check line effort preserv slim lead seri minor penalti end second period result man advantag for jet earli jet tempo numminen drove puck point mclean leg and into net tie game canuck discord plai pick left thi character long lead pass that never connect pick jet and individu rush into tight winnipeg defenc that never support and second canuck goal jet defens laps bonehead plai stall winnipeg comeback faceoff winnipeg zone pavel bure left stand creas jet defend anywher bure had invis game that point rebound and manag roof backhand even balanc late for jet come back essensa made bench minut extra attack noth for attack canuck winnipeg game fridai winnipeg jet hole two game
rec.sport.hockey	nhl letter quit long articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write apr sol ctr columbia edu phoenix startid ctr columbia edu ali lemer write dear bettman ali letter delet for breviti roger acid lace respons remov togeth and establish kind mandatori matur level thi stuff air roger your respons exclud you share your opinion you right ali mail letter nhl that you post repli that mow wheat harvest time never repres entir internet entir group rec sport hockei state opinion fifti sixti hundr odd folk agre list name bottom you not agre fine don care name chang care your name isn attach moan and complain you felt word lead you free feel that and except manner never hurt person disagre and feel gener fine and that ali compunct chang singl word you free disagre word wrote tear apart charact uncal for post thi form public reprimand you tear ali integr and charact publicli you chastis publicli return hard ali bit specif your descript read you state view and that simpli not true disclaim note that you don mean entir internet entir group attach despit your intent list name bottom cordial call moron and asshol reduc weight your word and opinion author ey and possibl and ali nice stand for even not person advoc valeri hammerl john lift pat board grab hammerl acsu buffalo edu hand and start run pwpz ubvm buffalo edu faster and faster want learn that feel and learn skate lafontain
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sci.crypt	estim wiretap cost benefit wiretap chip cost effect robin hanson draft april summari compar averag monthli phone bill sixti dollar wiretap worth two cent month polic propos wiretap chip rais phone cost part thousand cost effect background phone happen exist wiretap detector pick convers phone line and time law enforc agenc come reli thi capabl aid crimin investig power encrypt technolog threaten thi statu quo make privat commun small chip each phone make liter imposs overhear convers physic microphon end order preserv abil law enforc agenc tap phone convers govern announc april that had develop and begun manufactur special wiretap chip futur phone total privaci chip privat develop dai announc us chip secur telephon product each chip creat govern supervis fix indentifi and encrypt kei period each convers chip broadcast identifi and info special law enforc block law enforc offic court order obtain kei indentifi special trust agenc and therebi listen futur previous record convers that phone date concern voic thi plan secur govern won disclos encrypt algorithm and suspect govern will not limit access claim track record previou govern not inspir confid thi point thi paper will neglect concern and whether thi wiretap chip cost effect tool for polic investig that cheaper for societi investig crime forc phone commun support wiretap give polic agenc monei investig crime wai put anoth polic agenc will pai for each wiretap had pai share full social cost forc phone support wiretap start answer thi question compar current benefit wiretap provid law enforc agenc project cost implement wiretap chip plan and sinc current benefit easier estim begin wiretap benefit latest year for wiretap statist that year wiretap instal request and request deni thi figur not includ wiretap obtain consent parti convers arrest result wiretap start year arrest wiretap previou year and arrest led convict wiretap for phone pager email etc drug offens and request feder author each wiretap instal heard averag call incrimin peopl and cost averag extrapol instal report cost for labor total million spent wiretap obtain arrest per arrest arrest time expens per arrest figur get divid billion spent polic nation total million traffic arrest million per year spent phone tap thousanth total polic expenditur and divid thi million phone access line countri cent spent per year per phone line two cent month gener deter class crimin combin perceiv probabl caught and convict and expect punish level convict social wiretap amount that pai crimin deterr mean unabl wiretap suspect phone polic us hidden microphon investig that suspect wai polic focu suspect easili investig wiretap rais fine prison time for type crime gener assum that substitut for wiretap averag twice expens wiretap annual social benefit phone wiretap equal current spend level two cent month per phone line wiretap cost for moment optimist assum that govern encrypt scheme secur privat enterpris offer protect convers spy ear neighbor corpor and govern foreign and domest even support wiretap add addit cost build and maintain commun system extra law enforc block ad phone transmiss increas traffic unknown percentag special process us add encrypt kei chip secur distribut kei special agenc fund and monitor chip design militari contractor design remain secret and manufactur special process that chip becom imposs apart chip offer rel high price peic lot privat encrypt system not support wiretap requir extra cost perhap import govern degre partial replac privat marketplac evolut standard for voic repres encrypt and exchang futur phone wide believ that govern effici privat enterpris procur product and standard perhap perform broker role choos compet privat standard effici matter debat pai twice total billion spent oper expens phone compani come per month per access line compar thi wiretap two cent per month that wiretap rais averag oper cost even part wiretap not cost effect and thi doesn even includ extra cost phone owner pai encrypt chip expens phone wouldn encrypt chip for wiretap benefit per phone thi argument appli conclus thi dramat differ total cost run phone system and wiretap can justifi slightest modif phone system accommod wiretap modif requir investig attach clip phone wire wiretap support reason substanti modif burden proof propos such modif show that cost benefit consensu cannot obtain thi cost benefit estim compromis tax phone not support wiretap rate cent per month tax payabl polic agenc nationwid compens for loss wiretap abil invis weapon oxford press isbn report applic for order author approv intercept wire oral electron commun administr offic court washington statist abstract dorothi den clipper chip technic summari distribut sci crypt newsgroup april robin hanson hanson ptolemi arc nasa gov nasa am research center moffett field male terrac fremont
sci.crypt	clipper for cheap secur pdc dc paul crowlei write quot pmetzger snark shearson perri metzger articl apr shearson what differ bi modem and bi modem fast fastest modem can voic compress assert thi straightforward bit per second figur will friend forev half friend motorola codex preliminari fast modem you can kbp raw standard phone line kbp claim for final fast you can and bui that standard isn voic can compress quit bp depend good you want that requir dsp special asic real time engin that philosoph
sci.crypt	encrypt articl apr zip eec umich edu dmuntz quip eec umich edu dan muntz write articl strnlghtc erw netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write psionic wam umd edu parenthes name unfortun coincid cast doubt bona fide post messag will word privat firm that encrypt algorithm secur and contain trapdoor seemingli distrust that govern clipper will post david sternlight faq alt privaci clipper unfamiliar take and start anoth flame fest dan david sternlight keeper faq unfortuant cannot find present time origin faq question david sternlight fact take david sternlight review opinion and case immedi discard jerk alt fan david sternlight alt flame david sternlight photograph david sternlight for curiou david sternlight net polic proud dick internet david polic question david continu relat mi statement encrypt and topic fact david sternlight chemic imbal side brain martin hannigan twist pair consult mac ibm mainfram unix
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl rubin dsg dse beckman rubin dsg dse beckman arthur rubin write wouldn ask peopl trust secret algorithm unsound quit common million macintosh user idea appl patent rom modem connect you your busi secret aren stolen answer you trust appl such attempt sophicst destroi appl credibl forev clipper case repres bodi expert allow audit and assur even presid that escrow kei back door not confid that not lot assur for thing routin trust everydai life david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook doug holland claim tom clanci provid recip for nuclear bomb clanci omit crucial step clanci repeat read told unclassifi domain david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	polit point attack clipper infrastructur articl apr new clarkson edu tuinstra signal ec clarkson edu soe write figur estim number clipper tap request fbi expect publish thi figur compar per capita basi amount tap suspect attornei gener publish number court order tap each year isn thousand for averag crook spy worri fact reason guess number big time crook and spi not even for crook and spi worri reason that will clipper sinc number tap includ target stupid us encrypt base playback heard court case david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	clipper make good cover for encrypt method articl strnlghtc netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write articl apr eff org kadi eff org carl kadi write don replac for clipper front end thi make sens govern prohibit altern escrow encrypt scheme not us front end clipper you expect that make altern method encrypt illeg step crippl chip utterli worthless obviou that crippl chip aim spy ordinari citizen that form encrypt will illeg smg
sci.crypt	can de code ship canada articl apr fripp cadr cadr write canada ask send public domain de file encrypt code legal for send illeg send cryptograph code countri export licens will correct thi inaccur dunno you for code you find appli for licens note that you distinguish legal send canada you such licens and legal send you don david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	wiretap realiti todai messag reflect view that govern listen and will hide clipper messag escrow crypto perspect order number court order wire tap pretti low law enforc present pretti good evid even that limit number author overwhelm major convers tap record govern and for that happen pretti good reason evid us thi sparingli highest prioriti pretti good reason system imperfect long horror stori anticip david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	fear uncertainti doubt articl koj access digex net steve access digex steve brinich write suspect that decis element polit battl will fud fear uncertainti doubt factor peopl end user crippl chip hear debat vagu govern solid peopl field swiss chees balanc doubt shift fed attempt limit form encrypt present govern cover butt protect poor product superior competit comment sinc you ask bit inaccur accur that govern solid peopl field find haven review chip design and lot wild specul and guesswork inform that swiss chees david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
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sci.crypt	overreact onc tap your code good jhan debra dgbt doc jerri han write ask wrong overreact case such thi that meant that overreact that jerri suggest that peopl overreact and vehement disagre lot talk not action that misunderstood jerri posit reason simpl peopl you want die riot civil war jump and and scream and worri that peopl reach for hammer and rifl pen and paper not thi bunch bitch net for and back lurk can peopl work system break examin your histori book and find arm revolut led democrat democrat style govern you find thousand year written histori not quit that bad close collect power throw bum don us don burn thing throw bum bum learn target small group peopl singl time mass won react and throw eventu mass will react bum ceas relentless encroach liberti and despoil economi sooner happen damag will don want live war zone want bum thrown real damag lyle transarc grant street gulf tower pittsburgh
sci.crypt	polit point attack clipper infrastructur articl wmu mqj uiuc edu kadi uiuc edu carl kadi write strnlght netcom david sternlight write attornei gener publish number court order tap each year you mistaken don publish number state wiretap carl carl kadi not repres organ thi kadi uiuc edu hmmm kei escrow group keep kei govern state feder permiss run wiretap interest possibl neil
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sci.crypt	freeli distribut public kei cryptographi code articl gradyc wgrz cvc netcom gradi netcom wrote victor is victori xetron wrote numer recip fortran pascal nice section encrypt and decrypt base de algorithm sourc code provid version thi book distribut sourc code disk sourc code can order publish victor is victori xetron benchmark de implement recip book order magnitud slower outerbridg karn gillogli implement instruct isn fast appar excis second edit lefti lefti appl
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sci.crypt	kei escrow den guvax acc georgetown edu revis april chip program mykotronx inc call myk silicon suppli vlsi technolog inc clipper chip program insid scif secur compart inform facil essenti vault scif contain laptop comput and equip program chip chip program singl session scif locat mykotronx acknowledg and distribut notic thi articl base inform provid nsa nist fbi and mykotronx permiss distribut thi document grant mykotronx inc nice that not front compani us intellig agenc govern chip design examin and verifi silicon insur trap door hidden protocol exist silicon secur level encrypt algorithm proof that chip won squeel and role for proper knowledg interrog commun link design examin gate level verifi that you reflect tapeout mask silicon examin design hand clean room publicli defin clipper chip can merg anoth design chang complet and mask proof that you told chip that chip put verifi mask escrow and us for chip product us escrow parti for program chip govern ask for lot blind trust encrypt algorithm oper protocol agenc physic control devic silicon implement govern trustworthi escrow
sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook amanda intercon amanda walker write altern nsa bug telephon talk inexpens telephon includ hand size cellular that strong crypto real privaci start compani and build thi capitalist economi qualcomm had spare cycl dsp for cdma digit cellular phone want put strong crypto into sinc had capac govern decid discourag thi stuff hard you for true privat phone isdn codec vocod chip softwar encryptor chip fine softwar fast bi modem modul and microcontrol run thing easi cheap and normal compani put will like visit boi dark suit washington qualcomm suspect that compani cylink toler product expens law stop build privat phone spite hint administr made discuss crime bill and connect clipper skipjack big brother chip will build unit thi prehap will produc packag that turn box sound card into secur phone perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
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sci.crypt	shelf cheap de keyseach machin corpor accept wiretap chip articl strnlghtc wcmo netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write articl uvn austin ibm arussel austin ibm russel write compani work for previous receiv file that de encryp and person that had vaction wait two week set straight frontal attack kei time two dai crack file don faith de take thi face quit disson that publish brute forc de crack russel lucki respect kei interest whether program russel us whether us cleartext recognit algorithm program whether had examin each decrypt hand whether us plaintext attack that archiv method kei cleartext file us programat dictionari attack us de librari provid system that lucki kei address machin us desktop workstat super comput previou employ noth current address fact that fastest machin offic ibm risc system model meg memori not super comput depend answer thi appal develop call into question de and rsa de dunno rsa idea thi statement limit kei interfac ascii char pad and program don bother clear archiv front and backend bright programm idl machin time can crack singl de messag coupl dai assum trick that messag specif clipper kei nsa give chip onc moderatli bright programm idl machin time can crack todai real world encrypt that you select kei and prepar data inord that decrypt will becom worst case that not real world and that agenc start attack messag you point good recognit algorithm avail not familiar russel dept oltp section pal group ausvm email arussel austin ibm phone tielin view silli free berkelei
sci.crypt	overreact onc tap your code good articl apr rick dgbt doc jhan debra dgbt doc jerri han write thi giant balli thi clipper chip notic disturb trend mail and post toss back and tendenc part peopl hide head sand reason simpl peopl you want die riot civil war peopl you want jail for convict for insist real privaci sit quietli precondit for real civil war put place short sight govern jump and and scream and worri that peopl reach for hammer and rifl pen and paper termin mightier pen can peopl work system break examin your histori book and find arm revolut led democrat democrat style govern you find thousand year written histori guess you mean revolut england india mexico franc holland that not good odd you misinform thi issu topic onc arm violenc meant us respons arm attack not meant us agress thi differ defenc and murder cop kick your door for pgp that exercis call rapidli narrow free speech overreact read scare lot don want children grow war zone perhap you talk govern that you discipl david cop friend sternlight impli threat illeg privat crypto not subtl subtext clipper announc worri don want children grow polic state ren disclaim opinion mine and mine alon and not necessarili repres organ affili lauren troost unix system work ren imsi invest manag svc inc plai ren centuri east street floor phone york york fax im share opinion
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sci.crypt	secret algorithm clipper chip and crypto kei escrow articl strnlghtc pucl netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write articl apr yuma acn colost edu holland colost edu dougla craig holland write you thi you trust richard nixon your crypto kei wouldn you mean presid nixon not privat citizen nixon noth slightest interest presid nixon sternlight your naivet and histor ignor appal histori lesson detail delet mike schmelzer mj genet wisc edu finger for pgp peopl didn riot minut that film wait justic never ic
sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook pmetzger snark shearson perri metzger write thi stuff hard you for true privat phone isdn codec vocod chip softwar encryptor chip fine softwar fast bi modem modul and microcontrol run thing easi cheap and normal compani put will like visit boi dark suit washington qualcomm fed shut peopl make sound blaster appl and appl sun and make system that can handl qualiti audio and and can perform arbitrari transform process transmit across network modem perhap market for portabl vocod not crypto devic simpli voic convert make capabl record speech and plai back simultan applic for multimedia comput for handicap internet talk radio irc etc etc etc wouldn cryptograph devic suppos hook laptop bi modem and crypto softwar market thing api for text speech simpl phonem and abil us speech sampl and publish interfac folk write applic want talk thing mjr
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sci.crypt	overreact onc tap your code good articl apr rick dgbt doc jhan debra dgbt doc jerri han write thi giant balli thi clipper chip notic disturb trend mail and post toss back and ask wrong overreact case such thi reason simpl peopl you want die riot civil war jump and and scream and worri that peopl reach for hammer and rifl pen and paper person readi kill and victim thi topic damnit stop copi thi crap comp org acm russ schnapp email netcom metaflow rschnapp rschnapp metaflow rschnapp bix metaflow technolog voic fax jolla california otw speak for
sci.crypt	encrypt articl strnlghtc erw netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write psionic wam umd edu parenthes name unfortun coincid cast doubt bona fide post messag will word privat firm that encrypt algorithm secur and contain trapdoor seemingli distrust that govern clipper coupl reason like trust thi algorithm algorithm will made total public onc patent kei will not escrow not true will not us thi algorithm sinc never thi algorithm idea secur suppos depend paranoid wish writer firm isn for exampl nsa front for purpos thi messag psionic isn don suggest that post thi point that class specul that truth lot hard evid contrari psionic had lower case letter that firm claim back door problem that phrase can make judgement algorithm notic that creator thi algorithm open thing work and will make public show that bit scrutini weak will reveal don clipper doug holland doug holland freedom holland colost edu speech will pry pgp kei mail cold dead lip
sci.crypt	shelf cheap de keyseach machin corpor accept wiretap chip articl uup new claremont edu ebrandt jarthur claremont edu eli brandt write articl apr ulyss att smb research att steven bellovin write rememb that promis committe expert cryptosystem design hope silicon jock committe can follow algorithm hardwar doubt nsa pull monkei busi thi point expect that chip will revers engin sooner obviou opportun introduc addit hole chip isn place pull monkei busi you kei gener mathemat backdoor program laptop that supposedli gener kei save copi and and leak program that supposedli put offici kei chip put kei hard detect sinc escrow agent trust nsa laptop give each kei and don algorithm chip burner factori make copi kei prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
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sci.crypt	wiretap realiti todai strnlght netcom david sternlight write messag reflect view that govern listen and will hide clipper messag escrow crypto perspect order peopl govern listen you can provid answer chang assumpt you can deal not matter govern listen matter govern listen interest you heinou attend comput meet mall secret servic decid for warrantless search and acquir your name matter number wiretap abus that cryptolog make like and thi chip can sabotag par for predict that you jump favor thi repli that you justifi and includ death camp long govern back and had written polici statement perhap extrem not seattl indian word mean degre and rain
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sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook articl strnlghtc wjag netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write doug holland claim tom clanci provid recip for nuclear bomb clanci omit crucial step clanci repeat read told unclassifi domain tom clanci omit kei step prevent group peopl build nuclear bomb assert that you can find kei step univers librari main point minut midnight that imposs prevent prolifer nuclear weapon sinc becom easi acquir knowledg build and fissibl materi imposs control read thi articl run your librari and dig stuff construct nuclear weapon doug holland doug holland freedom holland colost edu speech will pry pgp kei mail cold dead lip
sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook articl fdl sunb oc edu ifarqhar laurel oc edu ian farquhar write articl almaden ibm amelin vnet ibm ian amelin write that will revers engin clipper chip and knowleg algorithm will like fairli widespread back door weak discredit scheme and grow market demand for secur altern compani canada recal special analyz chip understand process technolog design rule understand probabl yield assembl line make and probabl current cost and futur cost curv design shrink statist qualiti control yield etc taiwanes japanes and korean semiconductor manufactur korea continu revers engin foreign chip and produc chip taiwan and japan sign intellectu properti treati and extract gate transitor level design lai chip korean us mask level copi lot pressur pass law meet intern intellectu properti standard thi despit lot attempt hide design lot techniqu hardwar and softwar design for complex chip will real intellectu effort extract gate design transistor design and algorithm gate design won two smart gui even month work hour week korean work lew lew glenden rlglend netcom perspect worth point niel bohr that
sci.crypt	encrypt chip avail compani that manufactur encrypt chip for sale gener public you can pointer greatli appreci steve
sci.crypt	idea clipper annoi find that thi gui post privat mail respons sinc defend articl gfpo qoq andrew cmu edu andrew cmu edu jon bennett write jim gillogli jim mycroft rand org write privat mail bet that you can cryptanalyz can thi de even know encrypt method almost bit search that not true chosen plaintext attack de kei can determin full search almost mean differenti cryptanalysi attack chosen plaintext attack requir detail analysi chosen plaintext drawn total that run understand situat correctli thi break mean act not constitut work brute forc keysearch rest articl assum that can figur skipjack encrypt algorithm choos correct data send and observ result joi and choos not that attack not defend system and fact offend idea escrow kei secret algorithm facto industri standard object oppos for wrong reason sinc that weaken case privat mail not clear that expert will told fact surpris expect form fip pub describ de that algorithm gener specif set kei chosen come that you evalu de box constant quit govern percentag choos weak kei sinc not advantag expert assum that wors analysi total situat unknown box not good satisfactori for expert raw algorithm rest surround detail chip and protocol and simpli that doubt that inform jim gillogli trewesdai thrimidg
sci.crypt	text white hous announc and clipper chip encrypt articl rwing pat rwing pat myrto write for exampl convers suspect and lawyer will longer privat big brother eavesdrop almost year word for problem phone call virtual visit experienc virtual realiti that titl that phone call properti walk park your friend secur casual overhear and easi verif listen secret design fail that troubl telephon invent long time ago and peopl didn realiz danger concept virtual realiti back disclaim opinion express carl ellison cme stratu stratu comput inc bkw tel fairbank boulevard marlborough fax
sci.crypt	clipper for cheap secur articl trgt new claremont edu ebrandt jarthur claremont edu eli brandt write rememb announc describ thi scheme balanc two extrem privaci and claim that citizen had constitut encrypt for clinton support privaci for announc talk strong cryptographi specif that american matter entitl unbreak commerci encrypt product vendor claim product unbreak thi sloppi word not claim that privat citizen access nsa secret algorithm don want nsa algorithm break piti amateur algorithm and rsa want abil and invent and us algorithm share friend and sell disclaim opinion express carl ellison cme stratu stratu comput inc bkw tel fairbank boulevard marlborough fax
sci.crypt	write clinton read sci crypt alt privaci clipper and comp org eff talk discuss clipper chip and find usual that alik lot repitit each messag clinton net net effect mcimail white hous disclaim opinion express carl ellison cme stratu stratu comput inc bkw tel fairbank boulevard marlborough fax
sci.crypt	organ lobbi for cryptographi articl jgbinn eli yale edu jgfoot minerva ci yale edu write perhap encrypt type defend digit porn post encrypt issu not seper you maintain paraphras not agre you encrypt defend your encrypt disclaim opinion express carl ellison cme stratu stratu comput inc bkw tel fairbank boulevard marlborough fax
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sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook articl apr lehman pmetzger snark shearson perri metzger write qualcomm had spare cycl dsp for cdma digit cellular phone want put strong crypto into sinc had capac govern decid discourag you blow smoke qualcomm sell nice lucr oversea market japan and govern told don encrypt you hope export thi technolog reason that cdma doesn encrypt not men knock qualcomm door qualcomm doesn that market for digit cellular big for thi intern traffic arm regul perri state net that qualcomm want sell oversea and govern told wouldn allow export blow smoke you made version and crypto export version and contract bulgarian japanes softwar hous develop oversea crypto rom that get pretti expens cylink sell phone will make stuff for domest us export qualcomm isn cylink make monei that capit comrad peopl capit and prefer free enterpris govern stifl your competit capitalist will build unit thi prehap will produc packag that turn box sound card into secur phone thi and that you easi you whine net get your butt gear and write write good crypto code good programm can write good crypto algorithm special skill develop voic code algorithm pretti special find wai implement complex you don horsepow fairli hairi stuff onc pentium becom widespread gener sound board dsp suspect happen vanilla soundblast prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook articl strnlghtc wjag netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write doug holland claim tom clanci provid recip for nuclear bomb clanci omit crucial step clanci repeat read told unclassifi domain hand john aristotl phillip junior princeton flunk physic terrif term paper atom bomb design good that classifi step deriv social engin name explos fundament sound and pakistan embassi call copi time lobbi govern nuclear reactor for pure militari electr power gener prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl strnlghtc netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write articl rubin dsg dse beckman rubin dsg dse beckman arthur rubin write wouldn ask peopl trust secret algorithm unsound quit common not your talk cryptographi million macintosh user idea appl patent rom modem connect you your busi secret aren stolen answer you trust appl you won appl signatur finder featur such attempt sophicst destroi appl credibl forev thi analog fail assumpt that govern two squirt credibl addit appl proclaim purpos releas macintosh wasn survelli quit opposit januari appl will introduc macintosh and you won don give bullshit analog trust coke not put mind control drug can bui clipper case repres bodi expert allow audit and assur even presid that escrow kei back door not confid that not lot assur for thing routin trust everydai life reason suspici last time presid wast time comfort american anoth reason close exact david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except uni ac edu uni ac edu public kei finger and request public kei archiv pgp public kei pgp iastat edu sovereignti sign brutal past fight clinton wiretap chip crypto not crime
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sci.crypt	encrypt algorithm arthur melnick post interest hand messag nea algorithm reason disbeliev want clarifi point connect nsa part nsa plot that don level discuss that sort and quickli reach point imposs continu ration discuss issu not crook you you that popular favorit prove neg don such messag ignor comment david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl edu uni ac edu shaen bernhardt write don give bullshit analog trust coke not put mind control drug can bui shhh coke drinker haven found phosphor acid david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	can de code ship canada articl strnlghtc wkrt netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write illeg send cryptograph code countri export licens will correct thi inaccur glad you correct illeg send cryptograph code and lot thing countri licens citizen gener export licens allow export lot thing includ constitution protect speech thi effect that legal for citizen export thing illeg for corpor export obtain licens dunno you for code you find appli for licens nope talk good lawyer area export law gener govern good nation secur case prevent export you person publish word that intention lot easier for govern prevent export inform charg crime fact espionag except note that you distinguish legal send canada you such licens and legal send you don you citizen you gener licens not lawyer thi grain salt had swim itar and export reg case robert eachu standard disclaim us standard disclaim function messag text clever idea return idea
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sci.crypt	wiretap realiti todai strnlght netcom david sternlight write messag reflect view that govern listen and will hide clipper messag escrow crypto perspect order number court order wire tap pretti low law enforc present pretti good evid even that limit number author overwhelm major convers tap record govern and for that happen pretti good reason evid us thi sparingli highest prioriti pretti good reason system imperfect long horror stori anticip david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except trust govern problem member sternlight gener trust govern degre member gener find ridicul suggest that sternlight read cointelpro program edgar hoover wire tap martin luther king digest thi inform can ponder fact that govern not tap convers that record tap convers that even law long histori member govern ignor law that appli that peopl sound paranoid and fact that difficult imposs punish individu onc discov that peopl faith escrow propos for clipper jami jamison
sci.crypt	pseudocollis short note comment den boer and bossela recent work messag digest algorithm feel free email question comment burt kaliski rsa laboratori documentstyl articl begin document titl pseudocollis messag digest algorithm author burton kaliski burt rsa and matthew robshaw matt rsa and rsa laboratori marin parkwai redwood citi date april maketitl messag digest algorithm map messag arbitrari length digest fix length and properti comput digest easi find messag digest invers hard and find two messag digest collis hard messag digest algorithm applic includ digit signatur and messag authent rsa data secur messag digest algorithm develop ron rivest cite rfc map messag bit messag digest comput digest megabyt messag take second messag digest algorithm can prove secur believ good that map bit digest invers oper and collis oper found faster approach invers collis recent work den boer and bossela cite den boer present special kind pseudocollis intern compress function map bit messag block and bit input state bit output state show find messag block and two relat input state and that yield output state thought approach exploit structur properti collis function find pseudocollis oper expect practic implic thi pseudocollis work secur not evid real collis impli pseudocollis pseudo invers pseudocollis not impli real collis real collis sinc involv two messag almost involv messag block and such that pseudocollis messag block input state and gener unrel pseudocollis input state for bit not extend den boer and bossela approach special pseudocollis limit readili admit reason that remain secur den boer and bossela found interest structur properti properti lead special pseudocollis and not approach real collis research will give understand strength and messag digest algorithm eventu hope that such algorithm can sens prove secur bibliographystyl plain begin thebibliographi bibitem den boer bert den boer and antoon bossela newblock collis for compress function newblock advanc cryptolog eurocrypt newblock preprint bibitem rfc rivest newblock rfc messag digest algorithm newblock internet activ board april end thebibliographi end document
sci.crypt	suggest for escrow agenc technic detail articl strnlghtc ybka netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight bring issu escrow agent will paid and fact that govern had financi leverag don cooper import issu escrow agent decid stop offer servic assum that escrow agent isn govern contract for provid escrow servic includ termin claus return kei easiest user fee for each clipper chip manufactur thi make fund separ govern user pai fee and servic user govern fund not separ govern user buyer servic keep kei for don and won bui servic not tell kei sound blackmail user manufactur user choic bui altern gener kei and not escrow fine pai for thi kind kei escrow kei face escrow provid provid servic user don want peopl want govern not user you talk govern pai for servic front per year gener tax special direct tax wiretap chip indirect tax forc manufactur pai fee escrow agent hope escrow peopl find your name your serial number escrow govern agenc jersei lot peopl will provid that sort servic for user fee peopl will your store burn for small monthli fee sometim peopl refus pai and discov that servic effect you basebal game yanke stadium peopl will watch your car park lot for small user fee scratch paint and shame your clipper kei prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
sci.crypt	make clipper chip and wiretap bad reason for push clipper two dai lead stori mercuri time murki new anoth articl industri espionag french had can hurt govern continu access commun problem that access and realiz govern exclus access commun intercept unit state cut access detriment nation secur doubt that letter agenc that origin encrypt algorithm and chip design escrow system continu intercept effort own compani program
sci.crypt	happen export restrict violat articl apr yuma acn colost edu holland colost edu dougla craig holland write heard lot talk nsa infam control encrypt export itar question develop thi great encrypt system and want sell softwar worldwid thought polic come and thi algorithm threat nation secur you will not permit export thi point kind troubl into itar and sold program intern custom not thought polic export polic you move oversea your great thought your head write softwar and sell thought polic can you want check your lawyer you write program and sell furrin you intern arm dealer and can thrown clink for year decid you good exampl and cuban drug dealer and fanat middl eastern terrorist bui your stuff definit public domain for itar purpos you good lawyer your case for free confisc you evid you win sinc stake quit high prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
sci.crypt	encrypt algorithm articl artmel artmel arthur melnick write strongli oppos clipper capston chip press releas todai presid stephen bryen state govern unlimit sourc fund us push bug chip american public not understand nation secur agenc not suppos involv domest spy can fund develop commerci chip intend accommod govern domest spy activ thi easi job nsa suppos develop cryptosystem govern choos ahead and sell cryptosystem mass thi sound lot slam competit not cry for justic gui limb read that commit algorithm silicon made public gonna shamir write paper show crack entir class algorithm minut slide rule and pencil weren busi throw muck smear competitor feel kinda for andrew
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl apr leland stanford edu arc leland stanford edu andrew richard conwai write protest your communist countri you haven and socialist dictatorship you can whilst socialist democraci such franc australia you can peopl disagre franc australia socialist you complain and shoot guess peopl you live countri world person can complain get shot circumst public meet last night usa protest nice and calm and speaker start bewar opinion forc meet two arm policemen lot thing that cannot usa you not notic australian visitor notic don react don react you andrew not for firm rebutt for understand differ commun and social even thi topic peopl not understand that pretti song land free and sound nice that not true rose color glass and clue us two clich you jami
sci.crypt	escrow databas articl strnlghtc inf netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write articl tcmayc netcom tcmai netcom timothi write waco massacr and big brother wiretap chip tactic fair thi pernici nonsens david sternlight great care ensur accuraci sinc fbi account happen contradict increasingli frequent basi offici investig fire pernici idea believ that big brother behav respect cryptograph kei light alleg respect doj sell softwar intellig servic you suppos chanc futur doj sell escrow kei busi firm trust govern honest and fair put fox charg protect chicken clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
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sci.crypt	onc your kei articl dockmast ncsc mil grant dockmast ncsc mil lynn grant write peopl ask onc fbi get your clipper kei won read your futur and past traffic respons nist nsa den hellman give authorit answer thi troubl propos modifi that court order tap you and don charg you crime dai bui you phone charg you and you found innoc bui you phone david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	crypto paper net articl mizzou missouri edu mizzou missouri edu john kelsei write recent read paper merkl publixh net discuss potenti replac for de anyt khufu khafr and snefru discuss anywher snefru referenc rsa faq and sci crypt faq relat topic can point good site find paper articl discuss cryptolog exhaust math sci librari doesn recent john kelsei khufu and khafr patent biham and shamir show that differenti cryptanalysi can break round khafr chosen plaintext attack encrypt khafr round can broken attack encrypt effici differenti cryptanalyt attack time khufu kei depend box and immun differenti cryptanalysi sourc code for thi algorithm and khafr patent snefru public domain hash function version snefru that produc bit hash vulner differenti cryptanalysi vulner mean that attack effici that brute forc for pass that sha and effici interest licens patent contact dave petr director patent licenc for xerox bruce
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sci.crypt	clipper consid harm restat and amplifi articl apr lehman pmetzger snark shearson perri metzger write you haven read inform system chip put serial number infom into cypher stream identifi system not reli regist peopl own phone unit propos let accur object not presum and not read system not reli regist peopl own phone unit phone unit like us for suspect crimin commun you can obtain unit kei escrow thi necess rais stake favor crimin coerc collud us person clipper phone will restat assumpt explicitli and amplifi argument origin titl perhap distinct legal and illeg cipher system consid harm clipper consid harm not inaccur and ey catch current context assumpt clipper made law pass make us cipher system clipper illeg radio system common carrier system law includ enforc author listen across relev radio spectrum medium character signal valid clipper wrapper detect probabl us clipper cipher and make such detect for action for escrow kei specif clipper chip associ suspect crimin thi mean that minimum associ common carrier uniqu phone esn and clipper chip serial number will store govern databas observ pair and esn record rais red flag reduc ordinari fraud cellphon system offer clipper will construct esn mechan tamper proof and spoofabl todai cellphon crimin want inscrut commun crimin not stupid ignor and will figur that clipper cellphon offer excel secur normal circumst and that offer secur law enforc onc legitim wiretap order exist will figur that wiretap order necessarili specif cellphon each uniqu unit kei crimin not want call attent not stupid ignor read netnew and that open us clipper cipher like detect will gener avoid clipper cipher directli monitor tappabl channel that rais red flag put cellphon not person suspicion impract revers engin skipjack discov famili kei and construct function clone clipper chip and will difficult spoof clipper phone detect difficult obscur associ specif phone reprogram chang chip crimin will motiv find intact phone associ stupid crimin will conclud that can clipper secur commun for limit time bui beg borrow steal us phone that prevent that person report compromis phone for time encrypt commun record and retriev crimin can delai and quit like evad discoveri destroi abandon phone elaps unusu for innoc person volunt us clipper phone honest subscrib doesn want pai bill and doesn want fall suspicion thi leav two sourc clipper phone for crimin us coercion and collus coercion theft bear rel low risk sometim low time detect minut phone stolen car park front store coupl week phone stolen vacat crimin commerc like aris stolen clipper phone phone come risk inur poor crimin and cash come risk avers wealthi crimin extraordinarili motiv gain dai two undetect commun terrorist kill person hold hostag limit time detect that coerc phone mean that continu crimin enterpris requir continu suppli freshli coerc phone creat collus commerc rel wealthi crimin and ignor don care patsi monei and will submit paid return for subscrib clipper phone servic for us crimin will learn that advantag coerc us clipper cellphon appli clipper cipher normal cellphon will call attent stolen phone thi fact phone us coerc report can identifi interest phone and kei obtain escrow clipper extraordinari opportun for crimin conceal us super encrypt autom full system surveil mechan quit feasibl across radio bandwidth famili kei can valid clipper wrapper and esn associ cannot reveal realtim us super encrypt unit kei assur made two separ piec specif wiretap order crimin us cipher cleartext medium stand crimin us clipper cipher clipper medium difficult detect even post facto bulk record long associ crimin and specif clipper chip fractur you make us thi cipher illeg per you can charg crimin thi you can identifi true crimin phone you evid you tradit crime plan you will not even detect that unusu encrypt commun occur you identifi specif phone and obtain kei escrow gangster and terrorist arguabl not secur clipper clipper harm not provid absolut privaci honest public aggress dishonest govern cipher proscrib engend type direct crimin threat honest public extraordinarili effect mechan for crimin hide us cipher make difficult even gain notic that unusu commun occur and that plan for crimin act progress cipher proscrib lazi investig and prosecutor like pursu easili quantifi cipher us crime tradit and directli harm crime kei escrow claim cipher proscrib stage set for witch hunt illeg cipher us comput can us cipher machin brad yearwood brad optilink uunet pyramid optilink brad petaluma
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl apr leland stanford edu arc leland stanford edu andrew richard conwai write don react don react act john john luther mistak jluther umr edu for email opinion for umr compuserv doesn umr
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sci.crypt	jerri berman pseudonym privaci thought you thi letter jerri berman david chaum novemb respons inform that chaum berman congratul eff for prompt respons clipper chip announc white hous import recogn philosophi execut director explain below agre that legal remedi import press prefer retain abil us pure technic solut preserv privaci hold fire chaum consent public thi letter net don work for member eff aclu similar organ agre great thing aristophan american civil liberti union washington offic maryland avenu novemb washington nation headquart david chaum west street centr for mathemat and comput scienc york box amsterdam norman dorsen presid dear chaum ira glasser execut director eleanor holm norton chair nation advisori council you for send interest articl societi individu and organ that expend time and resourc us seri digit pseudonym avoid data linkag not opinion make big brother obsolet act assumpt that big brother present view your system form societ paranoia matter principl work enact formal legal protect for individu privaci reli technic solut want assum societi law respect legal limit societi that will disobei law requir citizen depend technic solut requir judic warrant for govern intercept data commun encrypt messag assumpt that lawt govern will abus power and invad privaci matter practic not your system offer hope for privaci trend univers identifi movement gener govern industri desir track citizen citizen seek simplic and conveni transact your system benefit sophist and opt for simplic poor and undereduc never us benefit final will govern link data base will law requir disclosur individu pseudonym us citizen prohibit for data base govern link sinc corpor make monei trade commerci list anoth will never adopt system adopt will us fine printn contract permit sell code us custom firm solut remain law polici and consensu limit govern corpor intrus into area individu autonomi techniqu can us enforc that consensu overrid cannot us substitut for such consensu sincer sig jerri berman chief legisl counsel direrector aclu privaci technolog project john shattuck
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sci.crypt	onc your kei articl dockmast ncsc mil grant dockmast ncsc mil lynn grant write peopl ask onc fbi get your clipper kei won read your futur and past traffic respons nist nsa den hellman give authorit answer thi troubl didn nsa thi featur and thought wouldn notic thought that respond form that won problem don alvarez post good partial solut thi problem comp risk present variant sinc feel bit stronger like attempt cheat depend protocol that for read traffic briefli cop wiretap warrant and record call notic encrypt and disclosur header copi warrant fbi hold famili kei holder decrypt header and send serial number and encrypt session kei escrow agent turn us and recov and send that local polic note thi solv problem wiretap forev cop fbi can read traffic request valid fbi and escrow agent cop and fbi togeth can cheat sinc don regard that like pair folk beat system prevent thi that modifi alvarez scheme escrow agent can read convers sinc don and and polic don even harder block decrypt warrantless wiretap protect you persuad escrow agent that call current that not strong approach can that work involv sequenc data unalter medium complet cryptograph protect insert medium don that isn complex for comfort hard instal real world nsa answer not smarter work thi for week and had year
sci.crypt	clipper consid harm restat and amplifi brad yearwood post long respons issu regist phone clipper relationship doesn wash recal that law enforc get court order tap suspect phone call figur line tap record stuff clipper read law enforc block extract serial number and kei court order difficulti such phone instrument phone line introduc that wouldn exist absent clipper crook us pai phone clipper govern figur listen and clipper convers serial number and kei crook us innoc person clipper phone tap line problem fed don care phone instrument us that convers suspect tap line serial number kei and busi clipper chip person associ need david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
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sci.crypt	hear april articl tenneyc hqh netcom glenn tennei tennei netcom write interest understand that april markei will hold hear question rais thi letter follow hear dedic clipper chip that not definit glenn for post that surpris notic that question expect ask not form strong encrypt clipper made illeg speak awar whether that question ask knowledg offici spokesperson for govern not mention dozen place report easili miss ted lee trust inform system inc tmplee ti box minnetonka
sci.crypt	encrypt algorithm thi easi job nsa suppos develop cryptosystem govern choos ahead and sell cryptosystem mass develop cryptosystem specifici design protect govern domest spy capabl take that mandat into forbidden field domest wiretap nsa charter forbid pure domest intellig work that even provid assist develop skipjack algorithom violat that charter intrench govern agenc will exped jeff hupp internet jhupp shockwav win net medowglen apt contract program novel houston texa network design and support voic goven doesn
sci.crypt	encrypt algorithm articl rand org jim rand org jim gillogli write you mistaken nsa commun intellig mission strictli foreign govern excerpt enabl charter oct truman that clarifi thi charter declassifi feb foia request made public interest can thing nsa not standard set busi that thi clipper stuff nist task come standard base input govern agenc includ nsa newspap report made fairli clear that nsa real work you can you read paper packag inform nist fax inform wide that sound true prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
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sci.crypt	dorothi den oppos clipper capston wiretap chip articl agora rain jhart agora rain jim hart write secur system depend secreci kei and not secreci algorithm dorothi den cite sourc mike mike godwin ariel rose godwin mnemon eff org born cambridg pound ounc inch long eff cambridg citizen electron frontier
sci.crypt	clipper scope overreact pat rwing pat myrto write problem peopl not scope implicataion point hell haven even heard clipper and will sooth languag tell nice govern let privaci delet peopl larg inform person talk that will listen can make kind dent let write document includ reason oppos clipper clear concis techinc manner urg you simpl start below and repost text evolv reach you send copi personnel letter your congress critter local report sci tech etc make thi success post agre version not flame respond flame thi chang subject clipper scope discuss michael golan princeton edu point made into paragraph wrong clipper chip usenet user secret can trust escrow agenc not cost effect want encrypt system govern want disallow futur can build kei system worri back door onc clipper chip mechan for big brother govern place chang govern can lead sinc escrow agenc oper not govern law presid can chang rule free access kei time war crimin caught wiretap cost and risk unjustifi onc fbi hold kei can decrypt past and futur convers
sci.crypt	paul repacholi zrepachol curtin edu wrote post thought joke bad tast appolog person broke new for worth clipper chip announc clipper csrc ncsl nist gov wrote note thi file will anonym file transfer csrc ncsl nist gov directori pub nistnew and nist comput secur bb white hous haven open ftp session that machin oper assumpt that address wrong nslookup and nicnam whoi nist gov nnsc nsf net host domain name internet address ncsl server mail ncsl nist gov mail ncsl ncsl server dove nist gov ncsl server ecf ncsl nist gov ecf ncsl ncsl server enh nist gov ncsl server sunmgr ncsl nist gov sunmgr ncsl that find ncsl domain and lookup machin question fail nicnam whoi domain lookup registri fail thought hei not tool and call bb number answer wrong perhap machin put firewal csrc ncsl nist gov becom machin ftp ing info scott doti sdoti odi santarosa edu
sci.crypt	clipper and confer call articl netnew upenn edu feelei cattel psych upenn edu michael feelei write curiou clipper chip system handl confer call not clipper encrypt system number design gener involv multi line cleartext bridg multi line cleartext bridg and you put that bridg isn receipt locat forget encrypt you blown secur you thought you had jeff hupp internet jhupp shockwav win net medowglen apt contract program novel houston texa network design and support voic goven doesn
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sci.crypt	encrypt algorithm articl rdq chinet chi schneier chinet chi bruce schneier write unlik cia nsa prohibit domest spy read bamford puzzl palac had senior nsa scientist cambridg workshop recent fact clipper announc made didn learn till thi point that forbidden law monitor convers nation and chap precis choic word don expect qualm monitor domest convers parti alien think navajo code talker imagin that iraqi mission york thi iraqi foreign ministri baghdad farouq hussein citizen social secur number and thi york mission mustafa jadid speak citizen social secur number such and such report activ satan clinton ross
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sci.crypt	wiretap realiti todai david sternlight write perspect order cannot you can make claim hard evid abus you ignor stori survelli martin luther king you block your mind mccarthi crusad number court order wire tap pretti low and illeg wiretap perform funni that fbi doesn statist confidenti inform illeg wiretap karl barru ele menudo edu prefer address barru tree egr edu nextmail karl barru ele menudo edu prefer address barru tree egr edu nextmail
sci.crypt	encrypt algorithm articl shockwav win net jhupp shockwav win net jeff hupp write nsa charter forbid pure domest intellig work that even provid assist develop skipjack algorithom violat that charter intrench govern agenc will exped law and direct bear subject for exampl nation comput secur act specif direct nb sic work nsa develop secur standard for civilian feder comput pick bill cpsr org includ report describ and legisl histori includ concern nsa involv note that nsa specif charg run nation comput secur center quot aforement report nsa will work industri dod comput secur center develop secur standard for privat sector us not good idea nsa tinker thi pretti legal btw come develop cryptosystem two choic nsa help develop case can crack not can nsa didn case can crack and
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sci.crypt	clipper not good for govern articl rdippold qualcom rdippold qualcomm ron asbesto dippold write discuss recent whether govern onc exempt us screw comp dcom telecom lesreev attmail subject odd end new clipper chip devic introduc yesterdai not suitabl for govern us hous telecom subcommitte chairman markei letter commerc secretari brown markei ask whether us technolog lead inadvert increas cost compani hope serv govern and privat market markei order brown answer question secur and cost concern april commun daili thi stupid won cost compani hope serv gov and privat market don us technolog doug bank privat system divis dougb ec comm mot motorola commun sector dougb nwu edu schaumburg illinoi dougb casbah acn nwu edu
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sci.crypt	dorothi den oppos clipper capston wiretap chip articl apr eff org mnemon eff org mike godwin write articl agora rain jhart agora rain jim hart write secur system depend secreci kei and not secreci algorithm dorothi den cite sourc dorothi den cryptographi and data secur addison weslei page head cryptosystem satisfi gener requir two effici and eas us michael mauldin carnegi mellon univers
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sci.crypt	hear april articl ojm cjh new net tmplee ti theodor lee write articl tenneyc hqh netcom glenn tennei tennei netcom write interest understand that april markei will hold hear question rais thi letter follow hear dedic clipper chip that not definit glenn for post that surpris notic that question expect ask not form strong encrypt clipper made illeg speak awar whether that question ask knowledg offici spokesperson for govern not mention dozen place report easili miss you solid answer question legal strong cryptosystem refer weasel word plan futur etc noth that strong crypto will not outlaw heard not verifi that crime bill congress languag that requir escrow kei that will regard system unapprov for public us strong cryptosystem not trivial broken govt escrow kei cannot readili chang read us permit folk special connect govern agenc terrorist tool drug dealer tool not outlaw specif ad civil forfeitur power and clever word effect outlaw for intent and purpos for idl specul for don care hit crypto effect outlaw specif outlaw class crypto system for exampl crowbar hammer screwdriv and such can regard burglar tool pretti whim author base primarili individu possess car etc not trade that make routin us tool manner legitim gov definit for strong crypto softwar system and caught find possess terrorist tool word not work for corpor extrem sensit commerci data that warrant fed opinion strong secur govern agenc and secur work relat data not person data will like nail thi discoverd person desir for privaci will not regard legitim you want such strong secur legitim law enforc individu legitim endeavor not concern govern not busi reveal your person secret public you conceal plan conceal unlaw crimin activ you hide hmmmm expect that initi will peopl select random happen troublemak for purpos make exampl for fed not thi mega ask privaci will respons that constitut for privaci spell such argument us abort debat you not secur that legitim law enforc cannot break suggest clipper press releas thi nutshel find extrem frighten not for crypto system thi case for precid will set lai groundwork for futur eros privaci escrow safe deposit box kei master kei combin for privat own safe and not cannot make end run inconveni part constitut law cannot easili declar unconstitut specif law simpli minor extens rico statut wod polici simpl polici decis gun regul batf polici decis convers fed agent gonna seiz your home your comput your car your bank account you don undress and give yer cloth you floppi yer pocket connect your acquisit transport and us terrorist tool and drug dealer tool part wod terror unnerstand decent american subject nobl note not accus you wrong your home comput car bank asset connect wrong hous transport and fund terrorist tool civil matter heh heh had thi tip grin constitut protect individu right not appli arrest taint properti not you evil grin you deposit bond hire attornei and court prove innoc thi properti that not terrorist tool and prove not drug dealer tool ahead problem that your bank asset seiz car comput home job and your limitless resourc you run into minor practic difficulti grin that damn ballist exactli logic tip that your home us store drug note trace drug found properti bozo will yup store stuff that dude hous year sentenc for deal cost effect walk bust anoth dai and hit jackpot your asset disclaim note that not lawyer and can base specul read heard told past civil forfeitur case and us augment budget assort agenc cooper folk want left alon not put riski situat area deni meaning polic protect and mean even pretend defend quit common back east nyc west peopl choic cower govern boot cower threat piss drug deal gang banger helpless case dude drop dime you for gain fed want make exampl civil forfeitur hook point specul line typic and extens crypto and that fed regard inconveni reason and not not guarante govern promis ted lee trust inform system inc tmplee ti box minnetonka pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
sci.crypt	clipper consid harm restat and amplifi articl apr wdl loral koontzd phobo lrmsc loral david koontz write clipper extraordinari opportun for crimin conceal us super encrypt autom full system surveil mechan quit feasibl across radio bandwidth famili kei can valid clipper wrapper and esn associ cannot reveal realtim us super encrypt unit kei assur made two separ piec specif wiretap order serial number will bit block bit filler doesn lot check that correct depend whether filler constant make check easi suscept replai variabl timer counter random make replai harder and can make easier for inquisitor miss messag sequenc interest thing that sort person care easi conceal super encrypt inquisitor ahold kei can not real time worst case escrow agenc provid kei local cop get side convers per warrant kei us for direct suppos capston version chip will insist prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
sci.crypt	clipper and confer call articl shockwav win net jhupp shockwav win net jeff hupp write confer call not clipper encrypt system number design gener involv multi line cleartext bridg multi line cleartext bridg and you put that bridg isn receipt locat forget encrypt you blown secur you thought you had peopl encrypt confer bridg dai militari equival cia and embassi personnel put bridg recipi locat normal vault militari base mead and secur phone sound proof room big lock door talk classifi stuff golf gener that paradigm will chang start encrypt phone offic home carri normal convers dinner plan and stock purchas and meet schedul and technic info and good batch illeg frop that last weekend bob peopl don us sound proof vault and us bridg pbx local phone compani call long distanc ad phone compani allianc confer bridg clipjack us for radio portion cellular phone conferenc aspect don chang market nich for trust confer bridg provid suppos inquisitor blanket wiretap author for bridg case bad gui us servic prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
sci.crypt	tempest articl apr infodev cam rja cam ross anderson write afraid thi doesn work can pick laptop screen problem call low radiat monitor useless descript turn market assert engin thought market for monitor not huge expens militari tempest kit shield stop eavesdrop receiv built prototyp work and sit lab bench commerci interest exactli absenc open standard monitor low radiat and cost dollar can compet monitor claim low radiat and extra cost product pretti blue sticker box ross heard can name sourc that tempest not necessarili pick crt can pick emiss almost chip that true kind monitor not make differ becuas screen can pick video control can verifi refut thi angel foghorn leghorn coe northeastern edu btw opinion and not that entiti god full star dave don you compani epidem
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sci.crypt	build softwar cryptophon for internet dougla craig holland holland colost edu wrote articl demon graham toal gtoal gtoal write articl jqu sol ti mjr ti marcu ranum write such thing develop that interact internet talk radio ideal gener purpos devic gener purpos devic that balk widespread us make easi for homebrew us pretti common hardwar don move even mass set thi ibm clone sound blaster and bi modem compon wide concur for version for interact thing internet talk radio make cring amount hog such thing bandwidth internet mean meg file get float for internet talk radio bad solut us phone system your electron and us point point convers phone and that you secret and import wouldn make sens write concis and quick us code word and spend your twenti cent good analog system shortwav telephon and us don gunk nice digit packet network emul baxter baxter
sci.crypt	clipper consid harm articl apr ulyss att smb research att steven bellovin write issu clipper whether not architectur scheme capabl work answer signific except that nsa and nist design thi scheme can assum that real object state permit wiretap carefulli control circumst minimum risk abus except that exist chip program diskett that wrong and load chip separ disagre and don claim answer obviou found reason suffici persuas that forc rewrit conclus section technic analysi paper had origin blast scheme issu thi invit assum that you charg implement such system complet regard for civil right and due process you differ answer thi question accept nsa fundament assumpt that strong cryptographi outsid and abil wiretap domest user you feel challeng assumpt context last issu present below discuss technic aspect and don mean claim that can steve sketch altern that address object clipper scheme notat concaten exclus messag encrypt kei messag decrypt kei hash digest signatur messag import valu local chip unit kei escrow agenc remot chip unit kei escrow agenc serial number local chip serial number remot chip number escrow agenc session kei agre extern thi protocol famili kei not secret protocol choos such that remot chip for comput remot chip for send remot chip and receiv remot chip comput note that remot chip for and user data encrypt decrypt kei assumpt trap door and not invert algorithm for and secret softwar implement bogu chip commun real chip chip support oper return load return return return load comput return return program into chip can determin destroi chip can not determin destroi chip thi not true realiti suppos determin chip program sophist rai machin for blown fuse program independantli escrow agenc note for tap escrow agenc and return lea contact escrow agenc serial number chip and encrypt partial kei thi agenc record that chip tap lea session kei not kei convers chip thi preclud real time decrypt convers that isn state requir observ order for secur tap commun scheme work activ part share secret and thi secret reveal commun that secret can made tap obviou candid cryptograph algorithm and master famili kei rel size and complex suggest that kei can obtain silicon implement scheme lot easier and faster algorithm rsbx raymond brand rbrand usasoc soc mil
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl edu uni ac edu shaen bernhardt write you won appl signatur finder featur not hasn releas for you evalu appl smart and had aoc us hash encrypt rsa pkc signatur even pkc compliant for you not wait releas and hard inform pass judgement aoc algorithm aren secret appl fascist aoc remain secret for appl demo macworld simpli not flaw and not you can you quit impress and expect disappoint amanda walker intercon system corpor
sci.crypt	govern intent encryptoion articl commun week april issu state definit that not justic depart reviv wiretap bill find forc kei registr clipper obviou thrust exactli thi direct dorothi den quot thi missiv commun week april page read and peev folk act lose your fundament privaci clinton shown that interest thi abort and not citizen secur paper and effect karl denning karl genesi mc you can never data line bankrupt live internet chicago mcsnet
sci.crypt	hear april articl rwing pat rwing pat myrto write person desir for privaci will not regard legitim you want such strong secur legitim law enforc individu legitim endeavor not concern govern not busi reveal your person secret public you conceal plan conceal unlaw crimin activ you hide hmmmm you underlin battl that fought battl for heart and mind american public peopl realiz that govern not fit father confessor govern not share thought moment decid share that thought distanc order protect ourselv govern bent undermin constitut realiz that govern enemi not soviet union thi hard for peopl brought loyalti govern cast synonm patriot expect that initi will peopl select random happen troublemak for purpos make exampl for fed not thi mega vigil and make that not such event unprotest will fight govern step that damn ballist exactli logic tip that your home us store drug note trace drug found properti bozo will yup store stuff that dude hous year sentenc for deal cost effect walk bust anoth dai and hit jackpot your asset time roll back thi nonsens civil forfeitur effect end run constitut that promulg enemi us soviet govern smg
sci.crypt	clipper consid harm restat and amplifi articl apr wdl loral koontzd phobo lrmsc loral david koontz write clipper extraordinari opportun for crimin conceal us super encrypt autom full system surveil mechan quit feasibl across radio bandwidth famili kei can valid clipper wrapper and esn associ cannot reveal realtim us super encrypt unit kei assur made two separ piec specif wiretap order serial number will bit block bit filler doesn lot check that correct extra encrypt appli messag encrypt clipper that wrapper fine phone serial number and session kei law enforc field etc messag wouldn readabl even clipper kei obtain escrow agent fact shouldn even detect that messag doubl encrypt court order
sci.crypt	clipper consid harm restat and amplifi articl wc apr rainier att wc anchor att bill stewart write easi conceal super encrypt inquisitor ahold kei can not real time worst case escrow agenc provid kei local cop get side convers per warrant kei us for direct suppos capston version chip will insist impress read den descript clipper oper that session kei us direct for encrypt messag text that each chip kei for encrypt session kei into law enforc field you kei for phone involv decrypt messag direct
sci.crypt	overreact onc tap your code good articl apr rick dgbt doc jhan debra dgbt doc jerri han write articl edu uni ac edu shaen bernhardt write text delet quit honest thing call defens never advoc not you advoc second thought and calm smart warrior defeat enemi ambush battlefield smarter warrior defeat enemi open warfar battlefield smartest warrior defeat enemi battlefield thesi sun tzu point call good militarist make oppon lost contact front and back line lose reliabl larg and small group lose mutual concern for welfar social class lose mutual accomod ruler and rule lose enlist soldier lose coher armi into action advantag stop not todai sit your hand will you thi battl jerri han crc doc div behaviour research jhan debra dgbt doc opinion and opinion proud and frozen member mighti warrior band memori left ring ear genesi uni ac edu uni ac edu public kei finger and request public kei archiv pgp public kei pgp iastat edu sovereignti sign brutal past fight clinton wiretap chip crypto not crime
sci.crypt	write clinton articl transfer stratu cme ellisun stratu carl ellison write read sci crypt alt privaci clipper and comp org eff talk discuss clipper chip and find usual that alik lot repitit each messag clinton net net effect mcimail white hous thi white hous mail address work post such address compuserv month ago appar white hous wasn set reciv hundr thousand messag dai that account and didn want peopl us thi mci address peopl white hous read anoth craig shergold stori don ask peopl white hous print and distribut thi mail dai you luck print letter paper that flat white stuff desk and snail mail white hous imagin write your local repres and senat wouldn hurt heck not write gore you greg greg brail citibank gjb fig citib
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sci.crypt	write clinton mcimail white hous thi white hous mail address work post such address compuserv month ago appar white hous wasn set reciv hundr thousand thi real address understand current process that mail take get download floppi disk and process retire volunt match messag messag profil and check messag count yeah that for gai militari thi clipper stuff gai militari higher volum white hous email stuff work for fact won onlin for anoth month two soonest understand that link speed will increas direct internet compu erv floppi messag process will remain peopl white hous print and distribut thi mail dai you luck print letter paper that flat white stuff desk and snail mail white hous imagin write your local repres and senat wouldn hurt heck not write gore you white hous email read agre that print and send you can visibl messag process fit messag templat case mjr
sci.crypt	illeg transmit encrypt data articl gbx sugar neosoft georgel neosoft georg livsei write awar restrict impos munit act export cryptograph technolog illeg transmit encrypt data anoth countri law appli thi situat law perspect you engag illeg speech not illeg us encrypt nsa allow listen you not oblig make easi for countri repress law that gather franc bureaucraci you and soviet union didn law make thing illeg paranoia follow for you want plai safe fact that nsa listen affect your willing us wimpi crypto technolog affect your willing us technolog that violat rsa patent you us pgp nsa rsa that you and secret servic catch decid that mere fact that rsa hasn file lawsuit you doesn mean that you don deserv your comput confisc for patent violat munit law violat espionag monei launder drug import and creatin disturb and not give back you violat patent even had drop charg unlik that nasti steve jackson had gall not guilti prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
sci.crypt	tempest articl apr lynx dac northeastern edu angel foghorn leghorn coe northeastern edu kiril shklovski write articl apr infodev cam rja cam ross anderson write afraid thi doesn work can pick laptop screen problem heard can name sourc that tempest not necessarili pick crt can pick emiss almost chip that true kind monitor not make differ becuas screen can pick video control can verifi refut thi that true tempest noth magic listen electromagnet emiss and analysi techniqu you separ interest stuff nice thing crt that us put lot signal easi detect and you your sync carefulli you can watch output monitor your decept mark chevi step van brand electr typewrit even wors case nice get you data user stuff page algorithm page disk etc newer quieter equip isn signal and harder isol fun part tempest rate equip lower signal level vibrat master chuan prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
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sci.crypt	tempest articl apr lynx dac northeastern edu angel foghorn leghorn coe northeastern edu kiril shklovski write articl apr infodev cam rja cam ross anderson write afraid thi doesn work can pick laptop screen problem call low radiat monitor useless descript turn market assert engin thought market for monitor not huge expens militari tempest kit shield stop eavesdrop receiv built prototyp work and sit lab bench commerci interest exactli absenc open standard monitor low radiat and cost dollar can compet monitor claim low radiat and extra cost product pretti blue sticker box ross heard can name sourc that tempest not necessarili pick crt can pick emiss almost chip that true kind monitor not make differ becuas screen can pick video control can verifi refut thi thought laptop can read not quit easi normal crt thought airlin pilot complain laptop us flight mess plane instrument thi can hype manufactur start build laptop even lower emmis pick surveil equip thi point lot cheaper mask remain signal tempest techniqu doug holland doug holland freedom holland colost edu speech will pry pgp kei mail cold dead lip
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sci.crypt	encrypt algorithm articl raeir access digex net steve access digex steve brinich write thi easi job nsa suppos develop cryptosystem govern choos ahead and sell cryptosystem mass develop cryptosystem specifici design protect govern domest spy capabl take that mandat into forbidden field domest wiretap nsa will not wiretap actual wiretap will conduct fbi capabl for thi provid nsa that limit charter realiz thi fine point and differ thi opinion don care for clipper and won support us don nsa overstep bound david conrad mind not for rent god govern cat talk conferenc network comput conferenc and file archiv bp bp bi turbopep user us login pursuit citi code midet mail address dave michigan
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sci.crypt	tempest articl apr lynx dac northeastern edu angel foghorn leghorn coe northeastern edu kiril shklovski write heard can name sourc that tempest not necessarili pick crt can pick emiss almost chip that true kind monitor not make differ becuas screen can pick video control can verifi refut thi attend hohocon will attest you can pick inform video chip surprisingli easi gui portabl minor mod work feet demonstr rogu neu edu rogu agent sod nsa fund research not cryptographi area advanc mathemat you circular describ research opportun pick your phone call your mother and for
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sci.crypt	code for crypt encrypt articl apr spdcc jin spdcc jerri natowitz write for public domain and export code for encrypt noth elabor that will satisfi market unix platform you can find you for hundr site worldwid anonym ftp nic funet finland pub unix bsd net lib libc gen crypt thi includ sourc code for fulli function de encrypt and decrypt that public domain code export don make your judgement obviou regard hamrick
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sci.crypt	encrypt algorithm articl raeir access digex net steve access digex steve brinich write thi easi job nsa suppos develop cryptosystem govern choos ahead and sell cryptosystem mass develop cryptosystem specifici design protect govern domest spy capabl take that mandat into forbidden field domest wiretap unlik cia nsa prohibit domest spy read bamford puzzl palac bruce that book and read side convers unit state cour that ass me that nsa plai rule jeff hupp internet jhupp shockwav win net medowglen apt contract program novel houston texa network design and support voic goven doesn
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sci.crypt	happen export restrict violat chinet chi schneier chinet chi bruce schneier write articl apr yuma acn colost edu holland colost edu dougla craig holland write heard lot talk nsa infam control encrypt export itar question develop thi great encrypt system and want sell softwar worldwid thought polic come and thi algorithm threat nation secur you will not permit export thi point kind troubl into itar and sold program intern custom doug holland you arrest intern arm traffick thing itar never test court concensu appear you arrest intern arm traffick you state law paragraph suggest you violat law court itar thrown incompat amend court rule that softwar technic data not subject itar court rule that phrase publicli defin itar appli make subject requir gener export licens you prosecut successfulli for arm traffic espionag gener concensu lawyer read itar that two occur arthur rubin rubin dsg dse beckman work beckman instrument brea mcimail compuserv arthur pnet ct person opinion and not repres employ
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sci.crypt	clipper consid harm restat and amplifi brad optilink brad yearwood write articl apr lehman pmetzger snark shearson perri metzger write you haven read inform system chip put serial number infom into cypher stream identifi system not reli regist peopl own phone unit propos let accur object not presum and not read system not reli regist peopl own phone unit phone unit like us for suspect crimin commun you can obtain unit kei escrow big deal you legitim law enforc agent and legitim wiretap order you listen line for minut serial number and order and escrow agenc you notic crimin phone instrument your valid wiretap order escrow agenc serial number thi opportun for abus law enforc that not discuss oppos clipper mechan simpl and easi understand rest your articl base larg seri fals premis predic notion that thi simpl act imposs feel free presum you that you not understand mechan propos argu that terrorist will kill peopl for clipper phone silli pointless let alarmist show problem perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
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sci.crypt	dorothi den oppos clipper capston wiretap chip secur system depend secreci kei abil tap inher insecur depend fundament secreci algorithm spell peopl miss point algorithm publish creat chip work correctli skipjack chip not kei regist technic mean ensur kei escrow govern maintain secret kind for exampl secret privat kei escrow agenc digit signatur requir kei us thi case nsa nist decid that protect entir algorithm easier cheaper secur protocol kian tat lim ktl wag caltech edu geni lim materi molecular simul center caltech henri spencer left margaret puckett signatur fan
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sci.crypt	hardwar hash function articl deo uy watson ibm basturk watson ibm erol basturk write question fast hash function design for hardwar implement you can us stream cipher chip hash data slight modif fast cryptograph checksum algorithm base stream cipher lai rueppel woolven auscrypt ross
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sci.med	hicn medic new part cut volum number april health info network medic newslett editor david dodel north street suit scottsdal arizona usa telephon fax compil copyright david dodel right reserv licens herebi grant republish electron media for fee charg long text thi copyright notic and licens attach intact and republish portion portion health info network newslett distribut biweekli articl medic natur welcom you articl contact editor for inform submit you interest join autom distribut system contact editor mail address editor internet david stat fidonet bitnet atw asuacad listserv mednew asuacad bitnet internet mednew asuvm inr asu edu anonym ftp nodak edu notif list hicn notifi request stat fax deliveri contact editor for inform center for diseas control and prevent mmwr april rate cesarean deliveri malaria embassi personnel fda approv hib vaccin for children infant dental new workshop explor oral manifest hiv infect food drug administr new fda approv depo provera inject contracept rule speed approv drug for life threaten ill articl research promis prevent slow blind retin diseas affluent diet increas risk heart diseas gener announc public for health profession nation cancer institut public for patient nation cancer institut aid new summari aid daili summari for april april aid statist worldwid aid statist hicnet medic newslett page volum number april center for diseas control and prevent mmwr rate cesarean deliveri unit state sourc mmwr date apr cesarean deliveri account for million approxim million annual deliveri unit state sinc tabl cesarean rate unit state highest report countri exceed brazil and puerto rico thi report present data cesarean deliveri cdc nation hospit discharg survei nhd for and compar data previou year data discharg short stai nonfeder hospit collect annual sinc nhd conduct cdc nation center for health statist for medic and demograph inform abstract sampl inpati discharg particip hospit cesarean and vagin birth prior cesarean vbac present thi report base weight nation estim nhd sampl approxim women discharg deliveri estim number live birth type deliveri calcul appli cesarean rate nhd live birth nation vital registr data estim number cesarean thi report will not agre previous publish data base sole nhd state differ thi analysi signific confid level base two tail test critic cesarean per deliveri rate and similar rate tabl primari cesarean rate number cesarean per deliveri women had previou cesarean for stabl rang cesarean rate south significantli higher rate for west midwest and northeast rate higher for mother ag greater equal year for younger women proprietari hospit nonprofit govern hospit hospit fewer bed larger hospit and for deliveri for blue cross blue shield and privat insur expect sourc payment for sourc payment tabl pattern character primari cesarean deliveri sinc earli number and percentag birth older women increas ag distribut mother had remain cesarean rate essenti observ base nhd approxim live birth hicnet medic newslett page volum number april estim cesarean deliveri estim birth repeat cesarean and primari cesarean sinc approxim primari cesarean perform annual women had previou cesarean deliv vagin compar cesarean associ previou cesarean dystocia failur labor progress breech present fetal distress and complic averag hospit stai for deliveri dai comparison hospit stai for primari cesarean deliveri dai and for repeat cesarean dai twice durat for vbac deliveri dai for vagin deliveri that not vbac dai averag hospit stai for deliveri dai for primari cesarean dai for repeat cesarean dai and for vbac and vbac vagin deliveri and dai report offic vital and health statist system nation center for health statist cdc editori note cesarean rate unit state steadili increas find thi report that rate stabl sinc evid that matern and child health statu improv thi time and cesarean associ increas risk for complic childbirth nation health object for year reduc cesarean rate fewer per deliveri and primari cesarean rate fewer per deliveri object postpartum complic includ urinari tract and wound infect account part for longer hospit stai for cesarean deliveri for vagin birth prolong hospit stai for cesarean deliveri substanti increas health care cost for exampl averag cost for cesarean and vagin deliveri and addit cost for each cesarean deliveri includ for physician fee and for hospit charg cesarean rate had year object number cesarean birth decreas versu result save billion physician fee and hospit charg despit steadi increas vbac rate sinc factor imped progress year nation health object for cesarean deliveri for exampl vbac rate substanti reflect number women offer trial labor increasingli encourag sinc women offer trial labor deliv vagin level achiev hospit trial labor routin offer hospit survei recent year for hicnet medic newslett page volum number april nation data vbac rate nhd data year object specifi vbac rate base women had prior cesarean whether trial labor attempt reach cesarean rate goal increas vbac rate will combin substanti reduct primari rate hospit succeed reduc rate cesarean deliveri appli object criteria for common indic for cesarean deliveri requir second opinion and institut peer review process recommend for decreas cesarean deliveri rate includ elimin incent for physician and hospit equal reimburs for vagin and cesarean deliveri public dissemin physician and hospit specif cesarean deliveri rate increas public awar differ practic and address malpractic concern import factor maintain high rate cesarean deliveri refer notzon intern differ us obstetr intervent jama grave nch summari nation hospit discharg survei hyattsvil maryland depart health and human servic public health servic cdc advanc data taffel placek kosari cesarean section rate updat birth public health servic healthi peopl nation health promot and diseas prevent object full report commentari washington depart health and human servic public health servic dhh public ph danforth cesarean section jama hospit insur associ america tabl cost matern care physician fee and hospit charg censu region base consum price index sourc book health insur data washington hospit insur associ america committe obstetr acog committe opinion guidelin for vagin deliveri previou cesarean birth washington american colleg obstetrician and gynecologist hicnet medic newslett page volum number april rosen dickinson vagin birth cesarean meta analysi indic for success obstet gynecol shiono fielden mcnelli rhoad pears recent trend cesarean birth and trial labor rate unit state jama myer gleicher success program lower cesarean section rate engl med us trade name and commerci sourc for identif and not impli endors public health servic depart health and human servic hicnet medic newslett page volum number april malaria embassi personnel kampala uganda sourc mmwr date apr treatment and prevent malaria africa becom challeng and complex problem increas drug resist risk acquir malaria for citizen and depend station oversea gener low thi risk vari substanti and unpredict offic medic servic depart state om do and cdc notifi increas number malaria case offici personnel station kampala uganda review health record embassi health unit ehu kampala that case malaria diagnos offici personnel march june compar two case period ehu om do and cdc conduct investig confirm report malaria case and identifi potenti risk factor for malaria embassi personnel thi report summar result investig malaria blood smear report case patient for review om do and cdc case malaria confirm slide posit for plasmodium person slide confirm malaria questionnair distribut person serv ehu obtain inform resid activ us malaria chemoprophylaxi and us person protect measur bednet and insect repel window and door screen and wear long sleev and pant even person elig for survei respond risk for malaria not associ sex locat resid kampala risk for malaria higher children ag equal year person greater year thi differ not signific rel risk confid interv eighti two percent case occur person had live kampala for year compar live year travel kampala area rural set not associ increas risk for malaria malaria chemoprophylaxi regimen us person particip survei mefloquin chloroquin and proguanil chloroquin alon and proguanil alon addit person respond not malaria chemoprophylaxi risk for malaria significantli lower person mefloquin chloroquin and proguanil person regimen prophylaxi twelv person not prophylaxi report side effect fear side effect reason risk for malaria lower person report bednet hicnet medic newslett page volum number april time person sometim rare us bednet risk for malaria lower person consist us insect repel even compar rare us repel upper confid limit risk for malaria not associ failur window door screen wear long sleev pant even result thi investig ehu staff review personnel us and compli recommend malaria chemoprophylaxi regimen ehu staff emphas us person protect measur and made plan obtain insecticid impregn bednet and provid window and door screen for personnel report embassi health unit kampala uganda offic medic svc dept state washington malaria div parasit diseas nation center for infecti diseas cdc editori note uganda increas malaria personnel attribut poor adher recommend malaria chemoprophylaxi regimen and us person protect measur period increas malaria transmiss and intensifi chloroquin resist sub saharan africa find thi report underscor provid initi and continu counsel malaria prevent for person live abroad malaria endem area prevent measur that import for short term travel such area mefloquin effect prophylaxi regimen africa and area chloroquin resist falciparum area thailand resist mefloquin limit effect africa efficaci mefloquin compar chloroquin alon prevent infect falciparum mefloquin safe and toler per week year period risk for advers reaction possibl associ mefloquin prophylaxi psychosi and convuls low episod per user risk for sever advers reaction dizzi gastrointestin complaint and sleep disturb similar that for antimalari chemoprophylact doxycyclin similar prophylact efficaci mefloquin for daili dose reduc complianc and effect thi regimen chloroquin alon not effect prophylaxi area intens chloroquin resist southeast asia and africa africa for person cannot mefloquin doxycyclin chloroquin and proguanil altern effect regimen chloroquin us for malaria prevent area chloroquin resist falciparum not report countri specif recommend for prevent malaria and inform hicnet medic newslett page volum number april dosag and precaut for malaria chemoprophylaxi regimen health inform for intern travel yellow book hour dai telephon fax refer lobel miani eng long term malaria prophylaxi weekli mefloquin peac corp volunt effect and toler regimen lancet world health organ review central nervou system advers event relat antimalari drug mefloquin geneva world health organ public mal pang limsomwong singharaj prophylact treatment vivax and falciparum malaria low dose doxycyclin infect di pang limsomwong boudreau singharaj doxycyclin prophylaxi for falciparum malaria lancet cdc health inform for intern travel atlanta depart health and human servic public health servic dhh public cdc hicnet medic newslett page volum number april fda approv us haemophilu conjug vaccin and combin diphtheria tetanu pertussi and haemophilu conjug vaccin for infant and children sourc mmwr date apr haemophilu influenza type hib conjug vaccin recommend for us infant sinc and routin us infant vaccin contribut substanti declin incid hib diseas unit state vaccin diphtheria tetanu and pertussi infanc and childhood administ routin unit state sinc late and associ greater reduct morbid and mortal associ infect organ increas number vaccin routin recommend for infant high prioriti develop combin vaccin that simultan administr fewer separ inject food and drug administr fda recent licens two product for vaccin children diseas haemophilu conjug vaccin tetanu toxoid conjug 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hib diphtheria tetanu and pertussi equival that licens formul dtp and haemophilu vaccin advisori committe for immun practic acip recommend that infant receiv primari seri licens haemophilu conjug vaccin begin month ag and booster dose ag month acip recommend that infant receiv dose primari seri diphtheria and tetanu toxoid and pertussi vaccin and month ag and booster dose year complet statement recommend for us acthib trademark and tetramun trademark develop report offic vaccin research and review center for biolog evalu and research food and drug administr div immun nation center for prevent svc mening and special pathogen div bacteri and mycot diseas nation center for infecti diseas cdc refer adam deaver cochi declin childhood haemophilu influenza type hib diseas hib vaccin era jama broadhurst erickson kellei decreas invas haemophilu influenza diseas armi children jama murphi white pastor declin incid haemophilu influenza type diseas sinc introduct vaccin jama hicnet medic newslett page volum number april fritzel plotkin efficaci and safeti haemophilu influenza type capsular polysaccharid tetanu protein conjug vaccin pediatr acip haemophilu conjug vaccin for prevent haemophilu influenza type diseas infant and children two month ag and older recommend immun practic advisori committe acip mmwr acip diphtheria tetanu and pertussi recommend for vaccin us and prevent measur recommend immun practic advisori committe acip mmwr acip pertussi vaccin acellular pertussi vaccin for reinforc and booster us supplementari acip statement recommend immun practic advisori committe acip mmwr acip pertussi vaccin acellular pertussi vaccin for fourth and dose dtp seri updat supplementari acip statement recommend immun practic advisori committe acip mmwr us trade name and commerci sourc for identif and not impli endors public health servic depart health and human servic hicnet medic newslett page volum number april dental new intern workshop explor oral manifest hiv infect nidr research digest written jodi dove march nation institut dental research second intern workshop oral manifest hiv infect held januari februari san francisco particip explor issu relat epidemiolog basic molecular virolog mucos immunolog and oral clinic present hiv infect workshop organ john greenspan and deborah greenspan depart stomatolog school dentistri univers california san francisco intern steer committe and scientif program committe provid guidanc confer drew scientist countri includ asia africa europ central america south america unit state and canada support tor workshop provid nation institut dental research nation cancer institut nation institut allergi and infecti diseas nih offic aid research and procter and gambl compani topic discuss epidemiolog hiv lesion ethic profession respons and public polici occup issu provis oral care hiv posit popul salivari hiv transmiss and mucos immun opportunist infect pediatr hiv infect and women issu recommend recommend emerg workshop defin 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sci.med	hicn medic new part cut hicnet medic newslett page volum number april food drug administr new fda approv depo provera inject contracept food and drug administr for releas susan cruzan food and drug administr todai announc approv depo provera inject contracept drug drug contain synthet hormon similar natur hormon progesteron protect women pregnanc for month per inject hormon inject into muscl arm buttock releas into bloodstream prevent pregnanc percent effect thi drug present anoth long term effect option for women prevent pregnanc fda commission david kessler inject onc month depo provera elimin problem relat miss daili dose depo provera singl dose vial doctor and clinic and regular basi maintain contracept protect patient decid becom pregnant discontinu inject such product fda advis patient discuss benefit and risk depo provera doctor health care profession make decis us depo provera effect contracept establish extens studi manufactur world health organ and health agenc countri clinic trial begun found depo provera effect inject contracept common side effect menstrual irregular and weight gain addit patient experi headach nervous abdomin pain dizzi weak fatigu drug not us women acut liver diseas unexplain vagin bleed breast cancer blood clot leg lung ey label advis doctor rule pregnanc prescrib drug due concern low birth weight babi expos drug hicnet medic newslett page volum number april recent data demonstr that long term us contribut osteoporosi manufactur will conduct addit research studi thi potenti effect depo provera develop and approv for contracept countri upjohn compani kalamazoo mich will market drug name depo provera contracept inject submit for approv unit state that time anim studi rais question potenti breast cancer worldwid studi sinc found risk cancer includ breast cancer human minim hicnet medic newslett page volum number april rule speed approv drug for life threaten ill food and drug administr monica revel food and drug administr todai announc that will publish rule shed approv drug for patient life threaten ill such aid cancer and alzheim diseas final rule will patient suffer ill access drug month even year earlier hh secretari loui sullivan effort acceler fda review for drug long term commit and hallmark thi administr rule establish procedur for food and drug administr approv drug base surrog endpoint marker appli drug meaning benefit therapi such endpoint includ laboratori test physic sign that not constitut clinic effect that judg qualifi scientist like correspond real benefit patient us surrog endpoint for measur drug efficaci permit approv earlier tradit endpoint such relief diseas symptom prevent disabl and death diseas us rule provid for therapi approv safeti and effect base surrog endpoint can establish drug sponsor will requir agre continu conduct postmarket human studi confirm that drug effect surrog endpoint indic clinic effect drug zalcitabin call ddc approv june model thi process for treat human 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degener cell photoreceptor major visual impair thi research publish decemb issu proceed nation academi scienc pna hold promis for peopl lose sight due progress retin degener drug treatment for retin degener exist estim that million american sever vision loss due ag relat macular degener and american affect retin pigmentosu hereditari diseas that blind addit each year peopl undergo surgic procedur repair retin detach and retin trauma research fund part retin pigmentosa foundat fight blind regeneron pharmaceut and nation ey institut conduct dr matthew lavail kazuhiko unoki dougla yasurnura michael matth and roi steinberg ucsf arld eorg yancoooulo regeneron vice presid for discoveri regeneron hold exclus licens for thi research ucsf research describ pna light damag model us assess surviv promot activ number natur occur substanc experiment rat expos constant light for week ey that had not treat effect factor lost photoreceptor cell rod and cone retina light exposur brain deriv neurotroph 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neuron diseas parkinson diseas and alzheim diseas regeneron test cntf patient arnyotroph later sclerosi commonli lou gehrig diseas regeneron pharlnaceut inc base tarrytown york leader discoveri and develop biotechnolog base compound for treatment neurodegen diseas peripher neuropathi and nerv injuri affect million american dr lavail and steinberg ucsf consult regeneron hicnet medic newslett page volum number april affluent diet increas risk heart diseas research resourc report written mari weideman nov dec nation institut health high fat high calori diet rapidli increas risk factor for coronari heart diseas nativ popul develop countri that tradition consum diet low fat find investig oregon health scienc univers portland implic for public health industri and develop countri thi studi demonstr can develop coronari heart diseas and higher blood cholesterol and triglycerid level show import diet and potenti diet increas bodi weight therebi lead host health problem develop countri and affluent nation explain princip investig william connor head section clinic nutrit and lipid metabol oregon health scienc univers past year connor and team character food and nutrient intak tara humara indian mexico simultan document aspect tarahumara lipid metabol nativ mexican number approxim and resid sierra madr occident mountain state chihuahua tarahumara coupl agrarian diet endur race result coronari heart diseas preval western industri nation virtual exist cultur loos translat name tarahumara mean fleet foot reflect tribal passion for bet kickbal race particip run distanc mile kick machet carv wooden ball typic tarahumara diet consist primarili pinto bean tortilla and pinol drink made ground roast corn mix cold water togeth squash and gath er fruit and veget tara humara eat small amount game fish and egg food contain approxim percent total calori fat major percent veget origin dietician martha mcmurri coinvestig studi describ diet simpl and rich nutrient low cholesterol and fat 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nativ diet for week week affluent diet thi studi concentr dietari fat that percent total calori thi prototyp holidai diet that american consum diet high fat sugar and cholesterol low fiber elabor conner such dietari characterist reflect cholesterol satur index csi recent devis research dietitian sonja conner work connor csi singl number that incorpor amount cholesterol and amount satur fat diet csi diet potenti elev cholesterol level ldl connor explain tarahumaran diet averag low csi connor affluent diet us studi rank csi experiment design thi studi reflect import establish baselin plasma lipid level typic nativ diet expos subject experiment diet standard curv relat dietari food intak plasma cholesterol demonstr level plateau for consumpt larg amount fat dietari fat and cholesterol thi rang effect plasma level you baselin diet almost free variabl you put into experiment diet framingham studi for exampl not discrimin basi diet individu heart diseas diet high fat subject eat plateau 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high fat intak connor recommend diet for american that contain percent total calori fat cholesterol and csi vari accord calor such diet low meat and dairi fat high fiber connor comment recent suggest that american adopt mediterranean style diet origin mediterranean diet pristin state consist low intak fat and anim and dairi product eat lot meat and dairi product simpli continu that pattern switch oliv oil not situat world health organ focus attent emerg diseas such coronari heart diseas nation and societi undergo technolog develop connor that coronari heart diseas start societi elit typic eat diet averag citizen pattern afluenc increas entir popul will higher incid coronari heart diseas place termend health care burden societi develop countri prevent coronari heart diseas can concentr aspect econom develop and public health measur improv gener pai for unnecessari expens medic technolog connor implic thi studi that human can readili move plasma lipid and lipoprotein valu into high risk 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public desea hablar con especialista informacion sobr cancer por favor llame cancer cancer prevent hicnet medic newslett page volum number april time chang nina mujer thi bilingu fotonovela develop specif for young women discuss health promot issu such nutrit smoke exercis and pelvic pap and breast examin page dato sobr habito fumar recomendacion para dejar fumar thi bilingu pamphlet describ health risk smoke and tip quit and stai quit page guia para dejar fumar thi booklet full color smoke cessat booklet prepar specif for spanish speak american develop univers california san francisco nci research grant page earli detect hagas prueba pap hagalo hoi por salud familia thi bilingu brochur tell women import pap test clear inform pap test and pap test hagas mamograma una vez ano para toda una vida thi bilingu brochur describ import mammogram earli detect breast cancer inform risk for breast cancer mammogram and prueba pap metodo para diagnosticar cancer del cuello del utero thi booklet 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death certif obtain patient dead had address had test result and not respond questionnair studi patient name found report aid case registri newli detect hiv posit patient determin infect transfus hiv transmiss person hour surgic exposur suggest that hiv transmiss patient occur frequent onc per person hour surgic exposur research determin evid suggest that surgeon fail adher standard infect control guidelin percent patient invas procedur chose test and result reveal person found infect hiv studi patient infect result taint blood transfus receiv result evid that transmiss hiv hiv posit surgeon patient transpir research conclud april drug concern share aid data york time kolata gina total major pharmaceut compani decid highli unusu move share aid drug and inform drug undergo earli clinic test edward scolnick presid merck research laboratori rahwai arrang collabor that cooper compani increasingli signific had becom clear that combin drug like effect fight hiv drug us alon research hope 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sci.med	frequent noseble repli origin post evid that peopl not secret mucou nose line protect includ small amount hot spici food your meal not cure peopl find help creat extra mucu you take drop iodin juic water consult your doctor otc canada you sedentari lifestyl exercis sometim help environment influenc dry air had respons experi rutin anoth newsgroup that specif herbal remedi robert allison mail you board internet problem not whether you inform rutin not rutin not herb part bioflavonoid complex you gener not rutin bioflavonoid complex you don and except that you eventu creat hesperidin defici major compon bioflavonoid complex found hard year ago recommend rutin show defici patient not defici hesperidin fore retest almost show subsequ defici hesperidin made add bioflavonoid that had low level rutin time peopl equal low rutin and hesperidin reason rutin us bioflavonoid complex thousand patient take claim that had help hemorrhoid varicos vein chronic nose bleed aneurysm gastro intestin bleed due drug etc patient desper bottl dai for pain bleed hemorrhoid ill effect toxic high amount that can safe recommend you allerg citru fruit made peel pine bark sourc patient test show bioflavonoid defici averag daili dosag need for major complaint dai common case cannot size and tast big and don tast that great product made pine bark extract you effect and tablet quit small and tast cost time higher for equival effect tablet pine bark extract you effect bioflavonoid name for pine bark product pycnogenol canadian brand carri bioflavonoid quest big bitter not chewabl swiss herbal smooth easier swallow jamieson medium bitter chewabl sisu pycnogenol small easi swallow give and happen and good luck ron roth internet rose rosenet ron roth rosehamilton eat radium strang result tom brightli roseread enter rosehamilton rosemail usenet rose media hamilton
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sci.med	krillean photographi articl rgnn lli fnnew fnal gov fncrd fnal gov don husbi write poor person kirlian photographi thi home hold your hand cold window close stun corona effect your fingertip remov hand window and observ imag invent crackpot theori explain effect advanc kirlian photographi thi home camera your subject face you back sun photo observ glow silhouet imag photo invent crackpot theori explain effect john mechala not actor mechala ecn purdu edu plai aero engin purdu univers includ disclaim
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sci.med	krillean photographi articl apr linu mitr org gpivar maestro mitr org greg pivarnik write articl apr scorch apana org bill scorch apana org bill dowd write todamhyp charl unlv edu brian huei write that correct spell for inform suppli that will yourself krillean pictur think that educ supplier for school appartu for sale don compani info greatli appreci krillean photographi involv take pictur minut decapod resid sea surround antarct pictur perhap bill bill flame intend you base simpl term kirilian photographi regist electromagnet field object simpl take pictur your aura greg flame intend bill make fun misspel word krill correct spell kirlian involv take photograph corona discharg creat attach subject high voltag sourc not aura work equal inanim object carl lydick internet carl sol gp caltech edu nsi hepnet sol carl disclaim hei understand vaxen and vm that paid for understand astronomi pure amateur level below directli relat vax vm don hold organ respons for relat vax vm you can hold respons for organ had noth
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl krl dartvax dartmouth edu oldman coo dartmouth edu prakash da write articl apr llyen jpl nasa gov juli eddi jpl nasa gov juli kanga write for food tast not allerg msg and tast shouldn us shouldn us shouldn eat spici food neighbor ulcer juli doesn necessarili follow that you us msg for that matter simpli you not allerg for exampl you not allerg anim fat and tast doesn follow that you regularli msg bad good not knowledg msg effect your bodi long run that reason not us perhap quit eat mushroom soya bean and brie chees msg occur natur not quit eat that troubl problem peopl avoid stress not worri mouth and not spend dai read conflict report good bad for you eat thing quantiti that not good for fine made decis and don for convert for your good obnoxi and harm word imo english languag altho your exampl ulcer funni isn comparison tire peopl don eat bad not bad for and even give peopl inform don ram your decis throat juli disclaim opinion belong cat and
sci.med	candida yeast bloom fact fiction articl rgo hsdndev harvard edu rind enterpris bih harvard edu david rind write articl apr vm ocom okstat edu banschbach vm ocom okstat edu write don term quack appli licens physician david question conduct appropri call uneth opinion laetril treat cancer patient such treatment shown ineffect and danger cyanid releas nci hmm thi thing refer quack therapi and tend refer practition prescrib laetril whether licens not quack uneth behavior such order unneccessari test increas fee not labl quackish prescrib ineffect therapi hallmark quack david rind respons licens physician read medic literatur medic practic clamor laetril result nci spend quit bit monei clinic trial prove that laetril ineffect cancer physician continu us effect treatment deserv call quack anti fungal class big question reason us patient distress sinu problem that due candida bloom us broad spectrum antibiot gorden rubenfeld mail assur that physician recogn chanc candida bloom occur broad spectrum antibiot us and reinnocul patient good bacteria restor competet for candida bodi not that thi standard part medic practic deal critic care patient fungal infect system real problem and good bacteria patient not mean that physician thi that aspergilli like found sinu mucu membran candida women for long time suffer candida bloom vagina and women lucki find physician will treat and not give give advis us otc anti fungal cream sinc candida colon primarili ano rectal area symptom common vagin problem broad spectrum antibiot us problem david proof that discomfort can caus candida bloom arguement that proof action warrent medicin not and probalbi never will practic thi us convent wisdom good exampl kidnei stone convent wisdom clinic trail not come effect prevent that restricitng intak calcium and oxal prevent kidnei stone form clinic trial focus drug ultrason blast breakdown stone onc form recent england medicin articl that convent wisdom wrong increas calcium intak prevent stone format restrict calcium intak convent wisdom anim husbandri that anim reinnocul good bacteria come antibiot therapi make sens for livestock doesn make sens for human david not talk danger treatment you yogurt danger thi standard part medic practic gordon incid distress and vagin yeast infect declin marti
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instruct supplement and switch low fat complex carbohydr diet retrospect analysi pt report improv pm symptom sampl state that longer suffer pm experiment doubl blind studi role nutrit manag premenstru tension syndrom reprod med low fat high complex carbohydr diet optivit supplement significantli decreas pm score compar diet chang and placebo month experiment program vitamin miner supplement group had significantli decreas estradiol and increas progesteron serum midlutel phase cycl experiment doubl blind studi clinic and biochem effect nutrit supplement premenstru syndrom reprod med pt randomli optivit tablet per dai placebo treat group show signific decreas pm symptom compar placebo anoth group pt optivit tablet per dai placebo for thi second group patient signific effect supplement pm symptom observ martin banschbach professor biochemistri and chairman depart biochemistri and microbiolog osu colleg osteopath medicin tulsa discours rememb rememb learn learn ignor
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sci.med	occup injuri and diseas worker memori dai press releas american feder state counti and municip employe union point deadli workplac afscm union commemor worker memori dai nation desk labor writer contact janet rivera american feder state counti and municip employe afl cio washington april american feder state counti and municip employe afscm and union afl cio wednesdai april will commemor annual worker memori dai dai pai homag million worker kill injur diseas job thi year afscm will focu worker memori dai effort danger environ correct offic work earlier thi month afscm correct offic robert vallandingham kill inmat overtook correct facil lucasvil ohio law and order agenda result steadi increas prison popul for past year prison popul project show continu increas number inmat expect prison popul condit thi burgeon prison popul creat for correct offic partial reflect number assault inmat staff assault staff increas dramat and and remain high assault inmat staff compar such assault increas number inmat brought danger combin overcrowd and understaf for exampl ohio offic inmat ratio second worst ratio nation nation averag health and safeti issu face correct offic includ aid hepat tuberculosi stress and chemic hazard afscm member work nation feder state and local correct facil correct offic not alon perform job life threaten condit year american worker die job relat injuri and ten thousand die occup diseas public employe nation danger job peril occup includ highwai worker highwai worker injur and frequent kill move traffic work zone not barricad don proper light health care worker hospit highest number job relat injuri and ill privat sector employ and nurs home rank job relat ill and injuri privat sector hospit almost percent previou year gener believ that health care worker emploi public sector hospit and nurs home significantli higher rate injuri and ill privat sector counterpart health and safeti issu face health care worker includ exposur tuberculosi and hiv viru back injuri and high level stress social worker social worker work mental health institut victim assault and sometim fatal attack for instanc last octob man carri semiautomat handgun walk into schuyler counti social servic build watkin glenn and fatal shot social servic worker turn gun two basic problem grow lack support servic for peopl don worker overwork client not adequ amount counsel such condit client becom frustrat qualiti client violent move institut million worker kill workplac hazard sinc osha pass afscm presid gerald mcente explain osha not provid workplac safeti protect for public employe public employe kill each year job state provid feder approv osha coverag for public employe mcente thi despit fact that public employe highwai worker health care worker correct offic name danger work societi thi year fight for passag osha reform legisl give worker greater right and protect and final guarante public employe safe workplac public support success govern worker suffer percent injuri privat sector worker and injuri almost percent sever public employe exempt osha law pass and todai public employe half state osha coverag canada remot system toronto ontario
sci.med	candida yeast bloom fact fiction articl nodrog hardi washington edu gordon rubenfeld write marti you chang terrain discuss empir itraconazol for undocu chronic fungal sinus system hypersensit symptom nore syndrom yoghurt and vitamin therapi undocu candida enter elain palmer syndrom system symptom signific differ cost and risk two empir therapeut trial talk real candida infect yeast connect hypothesi efficaci routin bacteri repopul human abil anecdot effect therapi challeng neg random trial confirm etiolog hypothesi post hoc ergo propter hoc can focu diseas therapi hypothesi discuss lost point begin that part disagr yeast issu differ percept and differ mean word medic doctor specif and special jargon for precis commun field fulli cogniz sinc speak jargones peer for situat sci med time word phrase us doctor can and specif mean word us world larg caus signific miscommun exampl word and relev yeast discuss exact mean system obviou that mean thi word specif mean doctor observ thi newsgroup that doctor and doctor come togeth essenti equal term combin jargon issu can fan flame thi time that practic doctor beat doctor for view medicin don practic for occasion difficult patient point understand viewpoint practic doctor that will not prescrib treatment therapi for patient such treatment shown effect and risk understood construct clinic trial doubl blind that such treatment therapi part approv and fund clinic trial doctor differ thi belief system uneth practic and follow that therapi not accept list therapi not even exist underli hypothesi theori valid even sound plausibl extrapol anecdot evid treatment point view and and larg scientist glad that medic practic scienc take such rigor approach medic treatment human last check and peopl that significantli help unaccept treatment standard medicin not caus sit back and hold such extrem and rigid scientif viewpoint uneth humanitarian consider underli intent scientif approach medicin protect health patient provid care for patient patient come treatment slightli modifi approach treatment that satisfi scientif and humanitarian viewpoint earlier post outlin crazi idea for that gist give physician freedom and encourag medic commun prescrib altern not proven therapi support anecdot evid for patient avenu accept therapi exhaust and not patient fulli inform that such therapi treatment not support proper clinic trial and that real potenti risk real possibl benefit deriv thi approach satisfi for scientif rigor satisfi humanitarian patient and realiti that patient reach dead end treatment symptom accept medicin will orthodox medic commun doctor brave prescrib such treatment risk lose licens wors doctor not had proper medic train thi approach recogn thi realiti and control orthodox medicin benefit that inform glean focu limit resourc futur clinic trial product win thi admittedli rose color approach real problem thi approach present strawman stimul discuss hopefulli write give sci med doctor idea open altern therapi real difficulti read appar hostil cold pure scientif approach medicin approach medic treatment humanitarian aspect balanc and scientif aspect not good medicin imho lean guess comment jon nore charter member infj club you dy infj mean brave mail send info jon nore nore netcom jkn intern fred gourmet chocol carlton place phone chip world livermor mail you read alt psycholog person that action
sci.med	pregnenc sex articl mentor purdu edu scheiber sage purdu edu jennif scheiber write articl blue ci pitt edu kxgst pitt edu kenneth gilbert write sound pull your leg for pregnanc occur intercours dai artifici insemin and implant techniqu speak natur act for pregnanc occur semen deposit vagina coitu interruptu that you can cloth talk your biologi teacher like hood concept sperm deposit vagina chanc hmmm don quit low don coupl hundr will coupl togeth and find kenneth gilbert univers pittsburgh gener intern medicin dammit not programm
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sci.med	candida yeast bloom fact fiction articl apr vm ocom okstat edu banschbach vm ocom okstat edu write bacteria oblig anaerob import deal diarrhea problem diarrhea problem diarrhea problem candid overgrowth not frequent problem antibiot therapi and not case antibiot relat diarrhea candida case vagin candidiasi oral thrush antibiot therapi isn surpris that not peopl disagre anti fungal low carbohydr diet and vitamin supplement minim local irrit good bacteria can control food suppli and lower basic starv candida you come thi you appal you comment authorit clinic matter bizarr synthesi read report literatur bob for citat research literatur isn medicin hope you not give wrong idea your medic student steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer
sci.med	cat and pregnanc heard that diseas toxoplasmosi transmit cat can harm unborn fetu problem cat apart klau hofmann nation institut materi and chemic research higashi tsukuba ibaraki japan
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prevent diagnosi and treatment and sourc for support and practic advic live lyme diseas articl for ldu approxim word and address lyme diseas issu scientif languag submit your articl mail lyme diseas updat box evansvil fax year subscript lyme diseas updat mail your subscript request address call for inform iii new wire sender jonathan lord jml uva pcmail virginia edu subject resurg infecti diseas concern cdc date thursdai april atlanta upi resurg infecti diseas blame newli emerg virus and bacteria pose major challeng for nation health care system feder health offici thursdai center for diseas control and prevent report latest find investig contamin hamburg meat that sicken hundr state and kill will put renew emphasi battl infecti diseas part that emphasi includ seri titl emerg infecti diseas featur cdc morbid mortal weekli report wide circul health commun issu will top agenda two dai meet scientif counselor updat cdc draft plan for deal grow threat infecti ailment thi issu that come and respons deal ruth berkelman deputi director cdc nation center for infecti diseas case malaria year sinc and latin america experienc cholera epidem thi centuri resist diseas caus agent antibiot problem antibiot resist past berkleman even common ear infect frequent children resist antibiot treatment despit predict earlier thi centuri that infecti diseas elimin public health problem infecti diseas remain major death worldwid and lead ill and death unit state cdc cite emerg sinc myriad newli identifi pathogen and syndrom such escherichia coli deadli bacteri infect hepat viru hiv viru that aid legionnair diseas lyme diseas and toxic shock syndrom incid diseas wide presum control such cholera malaria and tuberculosi increas area cdc effort control and prevent undermin drug resist sourc wall street journal refer headlin lyme diseas rule rais liabil issu tick that lyme diseas found damag legal liabil feder judg decis hold properti owner liabl for not protect worker lyme diseas get attent latest medic studi diseas flu ill that can sever physic and mental disabl and rare instanc death decis last week put properti owner notic that protect tick protect litig becom infect properti decis district judg robert ward york week long trial case involv track worker for long island railroad judg ward found that worker contract diseas bitten tick job order york state own commut line pai worker compens for pain and suffer addit medic expens and lost wage summer camp school compani facil rural semirur area and homeown rent vacation group that worri thi rule stephen kass attornei york law firm berl kass case wrote legal articl year ago warn properti owner potenti liabil even famili that invit friend for backyard barbecu potenti liabl lawsuit for insect bite rare aren unheard summer vacation southampton last year su owner home rent claim that tick properti gave rocki mountain spot fever long island juri order outdoor restaur pai million patron stung bee caus allerg reaction and perman quadriplegia judg threw award cite evid that beehiv restaur lawyer that attent lyme diseas countri preval england middl atlant state wisconsin minnesota and northwest make thi insect bite litigi ill prove sourc controversi courtroom such issu type medic care insur will cover and medic malpractic claim doctor for not diagnos diseas lawyer worker compens claim relat lyme diseas becom common state recent year payment worker compens case limit medic cost and lost earn case judg ward dealt potenti lucr avenu for damag involv question neglig unlik worker compens process law govern injuri rail worker for find neglig and result for addit payment for pain and suffer properti owner and lawyer that neglig claim can made situat peopl expos tick that carri diseas ira maurer partner york law firm elkind flynn maurer repres rail worker decis will establish duti sort properti owner protect lyme diseas lawyer caution that despit judg ward decis win lawsuit for damag caus lyme diseas prove difficult for thing victim demonstr that pin and tick bite judg ward found that plaintiff railroad case lyme diseas work properti own railroad even men rememb bitten worker weren outdoorsmen like expos insect tick high grass that surround work site spokeswoman for railroad that proof that men bitten job and that railroad appeal railroad disput judg ward find that didn protect employe spokeswoman railroad track worker insect repel and special pant protect bug bite debat scientif commun lyme diseas open legal defens for properti owner such question whether victim diseas ill earlier thi week journal american medic associ report that doctor overli diagnos patient lyme diseas and damag award victim influenc medic disput degre harm that lyme diseas health and safeti concern group and compani special measur protect lyme diseas last year headquart franklin lake becton dickinson began damminix pesticid made ecohealth inc boston that design kill tick carri diseas medic suppli compani headquart includ acr park and compani worri that employe walk trail for recreat infect ruth lister spokeswoman for american camp associ indianapoli that youth camp accredit organ begun check children for tick and carol katz member board fire island pine properti owner associ group spend each year treat acr site coast york tick kill pesticid titl urinari dysfunct lyme diseas author chancellor mcginni shenot kiilholma hirsch depart urolog jefferson medic colleg thoma jefferson univers philadelphia pennsylvania refer urol jan lyme diseas caus spirochet borrelia burgdorferi associ varieti neurolog sequela describ patient neuro borreliosi had lower urinari tract dysfunct urodynam evalu reveal detrusor hyperreflexia patient and detrusor areflexia detrusor extern sphincter dyssynergia not note electromyographi patient observ that urinari tract involv respect lyme diseas void dysfunct part neuro borreliosi and spirochet directli invad urinari tract patient bladder infect lyme spirochet document biopsi neurolog and urolog symptom patient slow resolv and convalesc protract relaps activ lyme diseas and residu neurolog deficit common urologist practic area endem for lyme diseas awar burgdorferi infect differenti diagnosi neurogen bladder dysfunct conserv bladder manag includ clean intermitt catheter guid urodynam evalu recommend question answer note you respons thi question forward editor sender terri mors morset ccmail orst edu subject question lyme vector and compost pile visit sister long island caution avoid compost heap back yard think thi infect friend mine oregon compost heap back that claim document lyme carri tick hang compost heap you section thi section open subscrib express opinion jargon index borrelia burgdorferi scientif name for bacterium cdc center for diseas control feder agenc charg track diseas and program prevent cn central nervou system elisa enzym link immunosorb assai common antibodi test erythema migran name bull ey rash that appear patient earli infect ifa indirect fluoresc antibodi common antibodi test common abbrevi for lyme diseas nih nation institut health feder agenc that conduct medic research and issu grant research interest pcr polymeras chain reaction test that detect dna sequenc microb question test for us detect and aid spirochet bacterium thi name due spiral shape western blot precis antibodi test vii subscrib contribut and back issu subscript internet address subscrib send memo listserv lehigh edu bodi type subscrib lymenet your real name fax subscript send singl page fax for inform delet send memo listserv lehigh edu bodi type unsubscrib lymenet contribut send contribut lymenet lehigh edu fax encourag submit question new item announc and commentari back issu send memo listserv lehigh edu bodi type lymenet newslett vol and issu exampl lymenet newslett will vol issu lymenet internet lyme diseas inform sourc editor chief marc gabriel mcg lehigh edu fax contribut editor carl brenner brenner lamont ldgo columbia edu john setel donnel jod equat advisor carol jane stolow director william stolow presid lyme diseas network jersei chief proofread mackei elm lehigh edu comment present attribut not necessarili repres opinion analys editor thi newslett reproduc and post bulletin board freeli long not modifi abridg send bug report mcg lehigh edu
sci.med	can men yeast infect can men yeast infect spread kind symptom ent doctor told that not uncommon for wife vagin yeast infect husband take antibiot fact thi recent happen wife explan that antibiot kill yeast competit thrive and increas yeast peni spread infect intercours ceclor for dai wife yeast jai keller badboi netcom
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sci.med	can men yeast infect woman onc told doctor told that catch asymptomat yeast infect give back caus relaps bogu not anoth reason us latex steve
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sci.med	med school admiss hoss panix write iv appli for class quit number school and reject interview and respons result interview reject outright accept outright infam wait list you wait list your entranc into medic school depend applic withdraw accept thi can happen late dai start class heck peopl send accept letter med school admiss book theyr suppos send number class accept mid march what lose saniti check mailbox dai you can call admiss offic secretari idea decis made your applic calm respect and friendli secretari power you realiz and you never dean admiss answer phone altern case dont you don thi year sit and evalu your motiv desir and goal that direct you into medicin your academ and extracurricular accomplish make decis whether you want medic doctor had classmat drop semest med school found not want friend appli year row accept medicin career choic you make for don push into your parent famili signific you want medic doctor determin you can improv your applic letter recommend professor you and can give honest posit recommend big shot famou professor vagu rememb your face don afraid peopl can give you honest and posit recommend give chanc medic school turn write recommend for student not make meaning comment and honestli not recommend that point rewrit your person statement english professor friendli person skill and experi write and proof read and critic you you review your academ accomplish your grade poor area don afraid spend time coursework evid determin committ will you fill your pre medicin curriculum gut cours show your extracurricular involv particip local philanthrop servic organ substanti leadership role organ bewar resum pad such thing not difficult spot and weed clear concept you head and you want combin honest apprais skill and aptitud will path appli program medic you good luck process tom petti wait hardest part emotion bob schmieg
sci.med	sinu surgeri septoplasti ent doctor recommend surgeri fix sinus deviat nasal septum result partial fractur side approxim normal flow thi for year recent discov that suffer chronic sinu infect discov mri sever migrain scan subsequ confirm problem sinus endoscop sinu surgeri ethmoid maxillari frontal and sphenoid nasal septoplasti explain procedur and risk can had thi surgeri and help heard coupl had and didn moder sever asthmat ent doc larg percentag relief asthma sinu surgeri not unheard that migrain chroni sinus reliev relev inform appreci regard jai keller sunnyval california badboi netcom
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sci.med	pregnenc sex you hygien teacher had stori civil war soldier shot groin bullet pass test enter abdomen young woman stand nearbi young woman unimpeach virtu shown pregnant soldier honor thing marri thi stori live happili perhap famou rau class time come into class brandish aluminum turn mandrel taper inch length boi you thi medic instrument call cock reamer and us unclog your peni you ram anesthet needless thi had chill effect didn lascivi thought for hour life perus medic instrument catelog and slender flexibl urethr sound that us not escap think that dai reamer cock style rau
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sci.med	nasopharinx carcenoma nasoparynx carcenoma and chanc hereditari advacn case gener procedur reduc pain area prevent patient eat due excess pain swallow and even talk
sci.med	cat and pregnanc articl apr etl klau ipri klau hofmann write heard that diseas toxoplasmosi transmit cat can harm unborn fetu problem cat apart cat not problem pregnant woman not chang litter box toxoplasmosi can transmit stool cat kenneth gilbert univers pittsburgh gener intern medicin dammit not programm
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sci.med	msg sensit superstit michael iastat edu michael huang write msg common food eat includ chines orient restaur put tad notic that and eat chines food restaur will slight headach and ununsu thirst thi happen friend and rel and heh eat chines food time home don us msg cook for ourselv heck feel that time eat includ cafeteria work half time headach intensifi noth will make throw ick you imagin don eat lot guess toler for food addit plummet sinc switch eat steam veggi easi fix that won even mention happen last time at corn beef oop late graphic bb sharp stick ey internet lim graphic rent juli lim rutger bobsbox graphic lim
sci.med	can men yeast infect steve pope spp zabriski berkelei edu wrote woman onc told doctor told that catch asymptomat yeast infect give back caus relaps bogu not anoth reason us latex steve isn bogu had chronic vagin yeast infect that cream reappear week had round antibiot for resist sinu infect and husband had amoxicillin for sinu infect six month thi gynecologist had cultur husband semin fluid dai incub had quit bit yeast growth confirm lab round nizerol for clear andrea kwiatkowski
sci.med	pregnenc sex mmatusev radford vak edu melissa matusevich write speak educ system recent had colleagu that reason grade student physic develop sexual abus younger child thi kick pituitari gland into action and puberti nonsens taught sixth seventh earli puberti type and noth earli sexual experi jacki
sci.med	nasopharinx carcenoma articl rpi edu chungi rebecca rpi edu yau felix chung write nasoparynx carcenoma and chanc hereditari nasopharyng cancer roughli don refer hand time preval chines caucasian chines southern china provinc region extraordinari excess chines and major studi associ epstein barr viru note advacn case gener procedur reduc pain area prevent patient eat due excess pain swallow and even talk palli radiotherapi us
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sci.med	info colon and purif recent come bodi literatur promot colon cleans vital aid prevent medicin nutrit bernard jenssen book colon cleans for health and longev titl escap similar that claim that regular administ colon oral ingest debri loosen agent boost immun system signific degre plug uniqu applianc call colema board facilit administr colon sell for california base compani plug vitra tox product chemic agent choic includ volcan ash supposedli for electr charg and psyllium powder for bulki colon cleans theori particular colema board and relat product interest hear research and person experi thi articl crosspost alt magick issu touch fast and cleans ritual system purif eli wiesel yale edu elisha wiesel davenport colleg yale univers wiesel minerva ci yale edu school home
sci.med	cat and pregnanc articl apr etl klau ipri klau hofmann write heard that diseas toxoplasmosi transmit cat can harm unborn fetu problem cat apart diseas you talk toxoplasmosi protozoan that live and multipli cell cat protozoan multipli intestin cell and egg shed cat fece protozoa can cross placenta infect fetu diseas asymptomat babi born sever toxo blind and mental retard cat apart not problem pregnant women not scoop chang cat litterbox addit empti litterbox wash hand handl food inform merck manual hope thi inform help you elisa picl fsphy physic fsu edu
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vitamin don suggest that student us high dose you want fill liver fast part clinic trial and monitor serum retinol level you knowledg vitamin literatur suggest that for patient demonstr vitamin deficit dark adapat test serum retinol will provid good and steadi improv long zinc and vitamin statu good worri toxic want agress fine follow advis check serum retinol vitamin retinol never high dose women becom pregnant sinc vitamin show teratogen human fetu dose need show thi effect develop fetu retinol per dai beta caroten will never thi effect human fetu take beta caroten retinol supplement effect will long time develop advis us retinol fill liver and switch beta caroten full vitamin nutrient that left prescript doctor thi newsgroup jump and doctor that propos us vitamin supplement for treat patient chronic sinu and distress that prudent option vitamin otc market requir manufactor provid packag insert educ gener public danger vitamin supplement marti
sci.med	feverfew for migrain brenda bowden brenda bookhous eng sun wrote studi experi feverfew accur log migrain attack frequenc feverfew didn for elimin caffein pre vent onset migrain case word caffein migrain don montgomeri donrm
sci.med	valu for aorta data for human aorta tear and shear stress for aorta plot aortic cross section area stroke volum aortic root approxim distribut blood major arteri branch aorta flow veloc blood aorta valu for flow veloc you data rememb give refer includ report stud jakob hilmer fax hu roskild univers denmark postbox roskild
sci.med	seek info retin detach quit sight recent receiv laser treatment for ey seal hole retina prevent retin detach left ey small detach had begun and appar laser us weld thi back place ey fine left ey occasion flash bright light prior treatment sinc treatment two week flash occur each hour opthamologist explain flash caus vitreou bodi attach retina and pull thi not treatabl and hope accord tug face retin detach seek sci med addit info retin detach not spend time explan detail can provid interest retina detach action convent surgeri repair detach procedur and kind vision can expect symptom fairli frequent flash impli that detach hand thi not necessarili for alarm bill bill wilder comput system manag kentvil research station agricultur canada kentvil nova scotia
sci.med	ethic placebo homeopath medicin medic consensu consensu thi group ethic prescript placebo medic patient not specif request sort treatment sell placebo medic for profit prescrib homeopath remedi advis patient controversi natur repres homeopath remedi counter medic nick ingegneri
sci.med	antihistamin for sleep aid articl apr nmt edu houl nmt edu paul houl write for advic for us antihistamin sleep aid and danger such us safe sinc us chronic for allergi million don want bz addict threat and hear sleep qualiti not good antihistamin sleep qualiti for dietari tryptophan load stuff and that lower sleep qualiti wake and kind mental haze interest advic for help problem pharmacolog solut you want visit doctor familiar sleep disturb antihistamin induc sleep us intermitt lose sed effect us nightli basi anticholinerg effect dry secret relax effect smooth muscl can problemat peopl such glaucoma prostat enlarg antihistamin diphenhydramin benadryl doxylamin unisom potent sed occasion chlorpheniramin chlor trimeton sed work peopl chlorpheniramin and doxylamin long half live compar diphenhydramin and produc residu hangov drug feel morn steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer
sci.med	thyroid defici articl apr ewolff erik vike write doctor and ordinari test and valu regard low doctor and wife not interest start medic thi deactiv gland give life long depend drug hormon thi ridicul and your doctor sound nut report doctor your wife pancrea stop produc insulin and becom diabet insulin replac that doesn mean depend insulin anymor bodi doesn make oral thyroid replac hormon therapi cornerston treatment for hypothyroid and effect therapi cheap take thyroid hormon isn need your thyroid gland reduc product hormon that featur not bug and irrelev case face hypothyroid problem that gland isn produc isn clinic phenomenon thyroid insuffici caus sudden discontinu exogen thyroid hormon analog adren insuffici caus sudden cessat prolong administr corticosteroid worri inappropri suppress thyroid gland last coupl month hoemoepath and drop activ thyroid gland and messag center brain approxim languag haven clue english term brain area call hypofys norwegian homeopathi nonsens stop wast monei health and time and legitim doctor will posit make proper diagnosi and recommend therapi steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer
sci.med	earwax articl definnac new bbn levin bbn joel levin write bobm ingr bob mcqueer write question doctor flush ear onc advoc drop rub alcohol flush remain trap water told swimmer thi swim work sting devil content water ear swim flush figur shake head time won trick comment perhap dilut rub alcohol water you feel comfort will trick
sci.med	antihistamin for sleep aid you antihistamin for night doesn start paradox effect us night for allergi and couldn figur develop bad insomnia final figur antihistamin fall asleep for minut awaken drop pin and not back sleep don that problem sinc stop antihistamin bedtim alic
sci.med	lithium question doctor year sci med folk you folk can lithium year son that live wife difficulti behavior and had ritalin tofranil and lithuim local doctor suggest import that worri thi sort thing and pro con lithium therapi booklet lithium inform center base univers wisconsin feel that pro lithium and interest comment not necessarili pro side fenc concern father and inform for inform you can provid email directli georg perkin system engin sun microsystem comput corpor courtnei campbel causewai suit tampa phone fax email georg perkin east sun
sci.med	cure for dry skin articl apr pb org jlecher pb org write matter fact dermatologist dai and dermatologist sound good idea you worri your dry skin don macki opinion
sci.med	insensit technician articl rrhi inn ceti unc edu john eyl jge unc edu write friend unpleas experi ur scan delet can pig suggest write detail letter incid hospit administr date and time name technician send copi clinician care your friend admit thi your friend argument doctor found that administr sometim ignor complaint patient becom litigi clinician not inform complaint and surpris find name suit respons week send follow letter attach photocopi origin letter thi weekli you respons cat scan invas can scari scanner can bad place for claustrophob interest studi bmj year ago found that peopl had cat scan found unpleas that never anoth thi compar lumbar punctur don macki opinion
sci.med	legal placebo that placebo legal that patient you purchas drug you prescrib and sugar legal complic that aris you diagnos condit and you aren accept treatment for intent medic malpractic placebo fall legal label quackeri not get you pai for decept bait and switch extrem fals advertis mcdonald didn put pure beef hamburg mystifi assumpt er aren hell can doctor knowingli unknowingli prescrib placebo calzon
sci.med	vitamin and hear loss heard new report indic research show improv hear peopl take vitamin research show that growth replac damag hairlik nerv heard thi claud claud bowi voic feder express corp fax box memphi email claud banana fedex
sci.med	deadli nyquil origin post thi alt suicid holidai recommend that you gui friend insist that quil can deadli suggest night time gelcap normal user quil check ingredi and hard time believ acetaminophen pseudoephedrin hcl dextromethorphan hbr doxylamin succin per softgel can settl bet packag quil effect babi nathan inter arma silent lege worship ditka email bitn midwai uchicago edu
sci.med	thyroid defici articl sfb mv draper sfb mv draper eileen bauer write thyroxin control energi product explain sleepi cold and weight gain water retent possibl heart vision and coarser hair and skin thing relat thyroid defici and depress
sci.med	info colon and purif articl cup portal mark robert thorson mmm cup portal write colon health fad centuri persist thi dai for medic condit reason thi normal person thi articl apr informix robert hartman hartman informix write doesn conform accept medic presumpt that doesn matter you eat and that can tract black box noth wrong for cancer and ulcer righteou will doubt jump that recent complet week juic fast dai water and had two colon part motiv primarili spiritu toxifi crap put bodi not that clean effect personali didn find uncomfort experi colon lost lb beer belli hasn come back last month and feel great thing that prompt colon year grandmoth chair ridden coliti year indulg not that come and personali don mind give bodi hand onc experi georg paap belief almost not employ
sci.med	legal placebo calzon athena mit edu wrote that placebo legal that patient you purchas drug you prescrib and sugar legal complic that aris you diagnos condit and you aren accept treatment for intent medic malpractic placebo accept treatment time placebo fall legal label quackeri not placebo effect circumst that us don sugar pill don sinc prescript drug label and easi find pill you name common prescrib drug effect for not for you antibiot for viral infect common such placebo get you pai for decept bait and switch extrem fals advertis mcdonald didn put pure beef hamburg not you mean thi you you pai for you not entitl prescript drug you pai for doctor appoint jack hamilton ttl jfh netcom box usa
sci.med	vitamin and hear loss articl apr banana fedex claud banana fedex claud bowi write heard new report indic research show improv hear peopl take vitamin research show that growth replac damag hairlik nerv heard thi claud not heard read that suggest that vitamin retinol revers hear loss due nerv damag caus high sound level occassion due sever infect type cell that vitamin regul gener epitheli cell and cell type not that function ear hear process hair cell nerv epitheli cell ear respond vitamin cellular differenti embryogenesi don capabl respond adult capabl respond hair growth thi major breakthrough hear loss medic interest vitamin not surpris clinic studi vitamin revers hear loss new announc and thi type commun notori bad can comment your question anymor studi will follow firm link vitamin and hear loss marti
sci.med	thyroid defici articl apr adob abruno adob andrea bruno write articl sfb mv draper sfb mv draper eileen bauer write thyroxin control energi product explain sleepi cold and weight gain water retent possibl heart vision and coarser hair and skin thing relat thyroid defici and depress perhap listless caus thyroid defici mimic depress feel unabl depress specif effect brain caus thyroid that depress note that weight gain symptom simpl blood test thyroid condit present don depress reduct thyroid output tend doubt clinic depress caus chemic imbal brain and that chemic imbal direct effect part bodi regular everydai depress imho not chemic imbal bodi pituitari base secret thyroid stimul hormon tsh level circul thyroxin two type and us reserv and chang into activ form liver ratio can affect number hormon estrogen for exampl natur chang activ bodi cell availabilti free thyroxin liver and healthi thyroid balanc thing short order good sourc for info thyroid merk manual physician refer book read depress and encyclopedia brittanica your local librari hope thi eileen bauer
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sci.med	krillean photographi ttrusk mcw edu thoma trusk write you atheist suggest you proof god polit correct skeptic agnost proclaim atheist posit that that god don claim proof interpret agnost posit belief god exist grant edward yow rosemount inc mind submarin grant aquariu rosemount
sci.med	chromium for weight loss articl uicvm uic edu uicvm uic edu write data show chromium effect promot weight loss studi that chromium flaw and inher entli bias investig make monei market theoret doesnt make sens claim that chromium will increas muscl mass and decreas fat chromium us cure diabet high blood pressur and increas muscl mass athlet anabol steroid sound snake oil for your refer unabl find studi that state that chromium cure diabetes can reduc amount insulin you high blood pressur never heard thi claim anabol steroid never heard thi claim sound you make thing and stretch truth for god reason piss you time hand hurt you anywher your wallet and place effect can pretti dramat agre you that chromium picolin isn like make fat person thin can decis compon strategi for long term weight control and make import contribut good health import exercis and avoid fat calori chromium picolin shown reduc fat and increas lean muscl will not bore you statist you wouldn chromium picolin exception bioactiv sourc essenti miner chromium chromium plai vital role sensit bodi tissu hormon insulin weight gain form fat impair sensit insulin and turn make harder lose weight insulin directli stimul protein synthesi and retard protein breakdown muscl thi protein spare effect insulin declin low calori diet insulin level declin result loss muscl and organ tissu sensit muscl insulin chromium picolin help preserv muscl dieter that burn fat and muscl preserv lean bodi mass import long term posit effect metabol rate help dieter fat lost chromium picolin promot effici metabol aid thermogen heat produc effect insulin insulin level serv rough index avail food calori not surpris that insulin stimul metabol note that not that chromium picolin increas metabol summari you chang your life style order loos weight and stai healthi reduc dietari fat consumpt calori eat fat make you fat increas dietari fiber low calori high nutrient regular aerob exercis time week burn calori chromium picolin daili lose fat muscl refer kaat fisher blum abstract american ag associ annual meet denver octob evan int biosoc med re page ward southern anim sci suppl abstract felig clin physiol kimbal jefferson diabet metab rev fukugawa minah row clin invest fehlmann freychet biol chem pittman suda chamber rai metabol danforth clin nutr mccarti med hypoth bielinski schutz jequier clin nutr young treadwai balon garva ruderman metabol regard michael vincz mav asd dseg
sci.med	deadli nyquil bitn kimbark uchicago edu write friend insist that quil can deadli suggest night time gelcap normal user quil check ingredi and hard time believ acetaminophen pseudoephedrin hcl dextromethorphan hbr doxylamin succin per softgel can settl bet packag quil effect babi acetaminophen agent concern overdos thi otc medic singl dose acetaminophen gram greater can hepatotox and dose gram potenti fatal hepat necrosi recal correctli metabol acetaminophen high dose involv hydroxyl acetyl benzoquinoneimin highli reactiv intermedi react sulfhydryl group protein and glutathion hepat glutathion us thi intermedi start attack hepat protein result hepat necrosi insidi part acetaminophen toxic delai dai ingest and clinic sign liver damag thi not nice die take tablet that come gram acetaminophen normal adult thi nausea vomit abdomin pain and loss appetit bob schmieg
sci.med	earwax hbloom moos uvm edu heather write you can ad drop oliv oil into ear shower soften wax thi for coupl dai syring safe point your ear shower head and water rins six year ago ear clog wax result headphon us clinic that clean us procedur inject oliv oil into ear prevent leakag oil cotton come back hour rins ear warm vater forcefulli inject into ear strang sensat had special tool thi and evid quit familiar problem larg steel syring special bowl cutout for ear grime come spillag good luck second bjorn bjornsson brb falcon
sci.med	legal placebo articl jfhc netcom jfh netcom jack hamilton write don sugar pill common prescrib drug effect for not for you antibiot for viral infect common such placebo and thi matter degre common prescrib drug that chanc give benefit not high probabl and not larg benefit michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
sci.med	burzynski antineoplaston articl icgln asuacad bitnet icgln asuacad bitnet write good sourc inform burzynski method cancer industri pulitz prize nomine ralph moss interest book moss pulitz nomin flyer for book mention thi and cancer chronicl newslett that mention thi profit organ call peopl cancer form for purpos allow cancer patient access inform cancer therapi not endors cancer industri shown highli promis result toxic moss peopl cancer director commun peopl cancer offer pretti question inform not exactli place cancer patient advis turn infom latest catalogu concern treatment that shown ineffect cancer and treatment quit danger sdb sdb ssr
sci.med	burzynski antineoplaston articl jschwimmer wccnet wcc wesleyan edu jschwimmer wccnet wcc wesleyan edu josh schwimmer write opinion burzynski antineoplaston inform current statu research appreci burzynski work not promis antineoplaston shown antineoplast effect experiment cancer nci conduct test and leukemia mice result that dose high produc toxic effect mice not effect inhibit growth tumor kill and burzynski claim that activ factor common and not shown extract hasn shown that distinct substanc nci conduct seri test standard panel tumor that includ cell line tumor class leukemia small cell and small cell lung cancer colon cancer cancer central nervou system melanoma ovarian cancer and renal cancer exhibit growth inhibit cytotox dose level test process sinc not solubl burzynski theori requir solubl agent thi basic hydrol pag call pag not inform carri peptid byrzynski claim for antineoplast activ deriv mixtur and pag not peptid can purchas chemic suppli hous for gram chemic extrem similar glutithamid and thalidomid habit form and can peripher neuropathi nasti effect thalidomid wide spite thi similar not test for potenti induc teratogen peripher neuropathi burzynski statement origin theori earli research past and present support for work shown untru sdb sdb ssr
sci.med	iridolog credenc articl dpw jprice dpw janic price write print flyer that state person licens herbologist and iridologist your opinion can you person health into ey bogu sci skeptic faq edit you can diagnos thing ey glaucoma classic exampl iridolog map part bodi iris ey pattern striation and occasion blob iris you suppos diagnos ill bodi two question altern therapist work evid answer question take knowledg medicin evalu don iridolog read book reflexolog remark similar notion that organ bodi map sole feet suppos channel run bodi carri inform energi sort anatomist found such structur bewar word channel and energi spiel put altern practition answer question simpler anecdot evid forget for referre paper mainstream medic journal ignor bull conspiraci rich doctor suppress altern practition studi and paper publish even posit word licens flyer interest licens for quit that herbolog real and requir licens you can kill give wrong plant eat and plant power drug foxglov and willow spring mind not clear whether licens extend iridolog and suspect that you you will told that mean licens herbologist and iridologist btw usual term herbalist us word paul johnson paj gec mrc tel ext idea and can had gec marconi research not for each reput idealist respons for opinion
sci.med	cat and pregnanc heard that diseas toxoplasmosi transmit cat can harm unborn fetu problem cat apart rec pet cat faq doctor vet for inform not coupl cat transmit fecal matter pregnant woman avoid clean cat trai and you wash hand prepar eat meal sound advic time apart that great problem you not rid your cat paul paul johnson paj gec mrc tel ext idea and can had gec marconi research not for each reput idealist respons for opinion
sci.med	thyroid defici abruno adob andrea bruno write articl sfb mv draper sfb mv draper eileen bauer write thyroxin control energi product explain sleepi cold and weight gain water retent possibl heart vision and coarser hair and skin thing relat thyroid defici and depress can depress not diagnosit thyroid defici thyroid blood test easi cheap and effect diagnos thyroid defici jacki
sci.med	persist chronic articl hsdndev harvard edu rind enterpris bih harvard edu david rind write articl enea enea appl enea applelink appl horac enea write can differ persist diseas and chronic for exampl persist hepat chronic hepat don gener distinct two class chronic hepat chronic activ hepat and chronic persist hepat can diseas term persist us prefer chronic two term chronic activ and chronic persist sound fuzzi actual distinct two condit fairli fuzzi beg differ chronic activ hepat impli that diseas remain activ and gener lead liver failur minimum patient persist elev liver enzym call transamin chronic persist hepat simpli mean that patient hbsag blood and can transmit infect show evid progress diseas had choos persist type kenneth gilbert univers pittsburgh gener intern medicin dammit not programm
sci.med	pregnenc sex len howard ta pegasu wrote doc not want bet life critter not layer sweat soak cotton program task infrequ imposs learn long time ago never never medicin len howard facog suppos singl layer wet cotton feasibl not make condom cotton kenneth gilbert univers pittsburgh gener intern medicin dammit not programm
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sci.med	persist chronic articl blue ci pitt edu doyl pitt edu howard doyl write chronic hbsag carrier not necessarili mean patient chronic persist person chronic carrier clinic biochem histolog evid liver diseas chronic persist hepat chronic activ hepat cirrhosi hepatocellular carcinoma case chronic persist hepat cph result viral infect good number case cannot determin diagnosi cph made basi liver biopsi consist find portal inflamm intact periport limit plate and occas isol foci intralobular necrosi contrast chronic activ hepat cah periport inflamm bridg necrosi fibrosi cph excel prognosi had choos cah and cph question choos cph david point distinct two not neat histolog can sometim pretti equivoc biopsi show area compat cph and cah sampl problem continuum don darn understand patholog burst bubbl not start talk glomerular diseas depress cph end get biopsi place understand and feel free correct that enzym worst mildli elev normal hepat function that clue histori prior hepb infect and posit hepb sag continuum cah and distinct patholog and prognosi ident clinic featur kenneth gilbert univers pittsburgh gener intern medicin dammit not programm
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sci.med	persist chronic articl blue ci pitt edu kxgst pitt edu kenneth gilbert write cph end get biopsi place understand and feel free correct that enzym worst mildli elev normal hepat function that clue histori prior hepb infect and posit hepb sag continuum cah and distinct patholog and prognosi ident clinic featur chronic persist hepat diagnos liver biopsi patient that persist elev serum transaminas month bout acut viral hepat found persist elev transaminas routin screen test degre elev serum transaminas can trivial ten time normal blood chemistri normal rule patient cph clinic sign liver diseas chronic activ hepat can asymptomat minim symptomat initi and that import apart mean biopsi patient cph reassur patient cah treat howard doyl doyl pitt edu
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sci.med	kid fall sick etc articl ashwin leo gatech edu ashwin gatech edu ashwin ram write month son start fall sick quit sinc start dai care home for year and not fall sick even onc sort cold flu pretti onc month time cold lead ear infect result that end antibiot week kid dai care fall sick sound pretti familiar post similar cri last septemb carolin enter daycar two and continu cold sinc last march spring approach cold slow meanwhil grew and relax cold onc doctor diagnos ear infect and twice had antibiot time due sinu infect and wish that not give that aw septra studi that can answer question net studi that you read thi newsgroup will round question thi month formal studi that bear not academ experi kid second and year fall sick cold flu ear infect gee bet you hear case catagori data home care dai care pretti insul child home sick that child will face world dai sick build immun lead ill that and comfort carolin will and cold for learn not stick hand kid mouth kid cold viru mutat easili hope that immun system will stronger fight diseas sever affect everytim cold make blow nose frequent and give dorcol dimetapp night can good rest suggest net that care hard antibiot twice ped gave choic decid whether antibiot wait long dai that fought ill understand that you don choic child pain and high fever make kid weaker lead ill not long term effect child doesn reli antibiot fight sick everytim child stronger take antibiot regular basi neg long term effect leav thi expert child suscept ill normal and your child enter daycar pretti month will hardest you us boi hate type thi sentenc recal read thi last septemb us hear peopl that year two forward healthier winter get warmer hope you break build immun and resist eat sleep not us antibiot not absolut good luck wen lin
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sci.med	persist chronic articl blue ci pitt edu doyl pitt edu howard doyl write chronic persist hepat diagnos liver biopsi patient that persist elev serum transaminas month bout acut viral hepat found persist elev transaminas routin screen test degre elev serum transaminas can trivial ten time normal blood chemistri normal rule patient cph clinic sign liver diseas chronic activ hepat can asymptomat minim symptomat initi and that import apart mean biopsi patient cph reassur patient cah treat back chapter cecil chronic hepat that case cph persist viral hepat multitud potenti and probabl for cah viral drug alcohol autoimmun etc physician varieti threshold for elect biopsi liver person that patient asymptomat slight transamin and normal albumin and can simpli follow close and not add potenti risk biopsi biopsi such patient provid sampl for studi interest decis analysi thi kenneth gilbert univers pittsburgh gener intern medicin dammit not programm
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lander instal meter foot kilogram pound polyu side radar antenna radar system possibl terrain imag version nuclear power satellit us soviet for earth ocean surveil map venu surfac resolut two kilomet mile soviet probe imag paramet vast improv unit state pioneer venu orbit reveal object smaller kilomet mile diamet and venera resolut compar that similar observ made meter foot arecibo radio telescop island puerto rico orbit examin northern pole venu thi region unobtain arecibo pioneer venu and appear number potenti interest geolog featur worthi investig octob interplanetari journei million kilomet million mile and two mid correct venera fire brake rocket venu place polar orbit kilomet mile planet complet revolut twenti hour venera suit dai twin probe venu polar circl spacecraft radar oper began octob for venera and octob for venera for sixteen minut orbit north pole probe make radar sweep surfac kilomet nineti mile wide and thousand kilomet mile long craft head highest part orbit south pole recharg batteri and transmit data back two larg soviet antenna earth each strip inform hour process comput end main mission juli venera had map million squar kilomet million squar mile thirti percent entir planet venera and reveal that venu surfac geologi complex shown pioneer venu late numer hill mountain ridg vallei and plain spread across landscap appar form lava erupt volcano last billion year planetari term thi make venerean surfac young hundr crater detect largest had creat meteorit planetoid term fourteen kilomet mile across due venu dens atmospher disagr and soviet scientist origin surfac featur for exampl probe owner declar that kilomet mile wide crater summit meter foot high maxwel mont tallest mountain planet result meteorit impact american scientist hand felt crater proof that maxwel huge volcano sit northern contin ishtar terra event decid wait make verdict venu arriv radar probe schedul for decad origin name venu orbit imag radar voir initi design scale back and 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target scientist wish explor planet mantl air balloon born instrument professor jacqu blamont french space agenc centr nation etud spatial cne had propos such idea back joint french soviet balloon mission cancel nevertheless late year such dream eventu come true two proton rocket skyward decemb and soviet union provid western observ clear full view booster had launch soviet venu probe sinc thi first for complex mission unman probe launch into space that decemb name vega and contract word venera and gallei gallei russian word for hallei not spacecraft mission perform had celesti object explor comet hallei thi famou period travel make latest return region solar system sinc last visit sinc wide believ that comet ici remain format solar system billion year ago scientist world gave high prioriti explor such bodi come close earth comet linger cold and dark outer fring solar system hallei perturb forc and fall sun circl for millennia spew ic and debri for million kilomet warmth each solar 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march plan two vega arriv venu june vega releas payload ninth dai month lander make two dai descent planet craft touch upper atmospher morn june sixti kilomet mile venerean surfac small contain releas lander produc parachut kilomet mile altitud balloon probe explor venu had successfulli arriv kilomet open parachut helium ga pump into teflon coat plastic balloon inflat diamet meter feet dangl tether thirteen meter feet below instrument packag properli aerostat top part kilogram pound aerostat consist cone serv antenna and tether attach point balloon beneath transmitt electron and instrument connect bottom nephelomet for measur cloud particl aerostat paint special white finish bai corrod mist sulfur acid permeat planet atmospher vega balloon drop into night side venu north equat scientist concern that ga bag burst heat daylight darken hemispher give craft time return data thi action necessit that lander come dark effect remov camera system us previou mission author wonder us floodlight 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lander and balloon final silent last function part vega mission flybi bu sail for million kilomet million mile journei sun becom probe meet comet hallei march bu made kilomet mile pass dark and ici visitor travel interplanetari space soviet had accomplish mission two celesti bodi space vessel june vega releas lander balloon payload for two dai fall venu duplic vega balloon radio inform back twenti antenna track earth for hour batteri failur morn side planet kilomet mile flight venu second balloon enter environ twenti hour into mission hour mission time air even turbul for hour balloon pass kilomet mile mountain contin aphrodit terra power downdraft pull craft kilomet mile surfac temperatur sensor vega balloon report that air layer move consist degre celsiu degre fahrenheit cooler area explor vega balloon thi corrobor vega lander pass balloon level posit indic lightn made balloon and second aerostat nephelomet fail function vega lander touch northern edg aphrodit terra western arm fifteenth june kilomet mile southeast vega lander rest place smoother thought indic ancient and worn surfac rel young cover fresh lava soil drill work order and report rock type anorthosit troctolit rare earth present luna highland thi rock rich aluminum and silicon lack iron and magnesium high degre sulfur present soil air vega measur degre celsiu degre fahrenheit and earth atmospher essenti typic dai night venu vega lander carrier bu sped past venu distanc kilomet mile and twin comet hallei make closer flybi march kilomet mile probe help reveal that comet dark and irregular shape mass fourteen kilomet mile across rotat onc hour give hour sinc vega craft function hallei encount soviet scientist consid option send probe celesti object prime target earth planetoid adoni vega pass distanc six million kilomet million mile sadli soviet had back opportun becom nation fly spacecraft past planetoid discov that not maneuv fuel probe reach adoni plan vega and quietli shut earli futur plan 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soviet venu and mar explor phobo probe fail complet mission lose contact red planet and silent mar orbit week plan moon land march plan devis for venu orbit drop ten penetr planet year mission launch date move year and put indefinit hold offici soviet mission venu sinc put sad commentari twenti year continu robot explor planet late drastic polit and econom chang take soviet union presid mikhail gorbachev began open nation benefit increas cooper rest nation west cultur oppress past economi take rough ride underw effect free market effect hit includ space program mission level cut back soviet began make almost desper attempt cooper space fare nation remain program aliv make monei earli report that soviet offer for sale fulli equip venera had storag for price million dollar each incred low price for planetari probe nation bargain meanwhil unit state gear for venu mission magellan and galileo reactiv long dormant planetari explor launch space shuttl atlanti aboard shuttl magellan spacecraft combin spare part probe design make detail and complet radar map venu histori magellan reach second world august map almost entir planet resolut meter feet surpass abil venera and interim anoth american probe launch space shuttl make quick flybi venu orbit giant planet jupit octob shuttl atlanti releas second unman planetari probe into space name galileo famou italian astronom discov probe primari target major moon absenc power booster send galileo direct flight jovian planet probe venu and earth time build speed reach jupit result venu galileo planetari goal februari probe radio back imag planet swirl cloud and indic lightn that violent atmospher draw board incred success magellan last year plan laid for journei venu scien tist talk space scientist soviet union commonwealth independ state sinc januari cooper effort launch venera lander mission decad japan india and esa consid venu mission decad februari nasa venu project part discoveri program for launch inexpens probe 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sci.space	surviv larg acceler lpham ei calstat edu lan pham write answer amruth laxman you number pilot blackout dive that exce human toler clarifi thi lan apart fact that you pull not dive that figur for sustain protect durat rate onset bodi posit and support aid critic part equat rememb note instrument gridiron player record peak stapp aviat doctor accid design short period rocket sled deceller ey ball standard har had short calcul stop time even mph that bang seat can and you sit straight find book martin baker human guinea pig hear bad can rate onset high reclin posit and good suit can pilot function flotat tank good bet sinc you can treat bodi fluid and high pressur situat not figur rai fairfield fairfiel zeu usq edu
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sci.space	rocket launch observ bright light phenomenon observ eastern finland april two peopl bright lumin pillar shape phenomenon low eastern horizont mikk head pillar circular lower part wind monster told frighten yellowish pillar enlarg bright spot sun appear middl phenomenon last light land nearbi forest lumin trail sky visibl till morn sunris phenomenon observ jaakko kokkonen lappeenranta lumin yellowish trail low northeastern horizont altitud trail degre trail began grow taller loop appear head trail spoon thi last second altitud degress horizont note bright spot upper stage loop spot magnitud loop enlarg and spot visibl middl loop cartwheel shape trail appear round bright spot minut spot disappear and fuzzi trail visibl low horizont lumin trail visibl morn sky phenomenon caus russian rocket don satellit launch plesetsk cosmodrom arkhangelsk thi rocket experi sinc observ rocket phenomena finland rocket experi militari missil test barium experi and chemic releas year observ satellit launch leo wikholm ursa astronom associ phone satellit and rocket phenomena sect fax laivanvarustajankatu bb fin helsinki inter leo wikholm compart finland
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sci.space	gamma rai burster articl apr midwai uchicago edu pef quad uchicago edu enrico palazzo write graydon saundrsg qucdn queensu thing detect space look into problem detector that mechan cosmic rai that dector thing graydon that not explain wide separ detector such ulyss and pvo and ginga burst time fact fore bats thi wide separ interplanetari network locat random burst detector cannot locat burst field view two detector can us time that burst each detector narrow locat thin annulu sky detector get intersect annuli give two locat locat imposs earth block that part sky voila you error box bats detector can locat determin degre gsfc david comment current state locat determin ind pendent sight detector help drive uncertainti you touch that you didn mean refer that that absorpt featur fraction grb can caus detector mean nasti god that nai crystal act gauss neutron star thi get afield peter peterf oddjob uchicago edu thi valid and true add thi explani each individu detector built fail safe detector not read background radiat cosmic rai rememb detector sigma background thi don catch energet cosmic rai that set even thi buffer throw burst that earth van allen belt south atlant anomali sun rememb radar station radio station australia and coupl sourc jeremi belgarath vax mankato msu edu
sci.space	planet kuiper object found jame nicol write kuiper belt object call karla call smilei previou call smilei smilei and karla note that name offici discover avers design scheme can never smilei offici that monik assign asteroid number
sci.space	kupier object smilei jame nichol sez kuiper belt object call karla call smilei jeff respond imag thing possibl kuiper belt object discov last year smilei jeff foust dai you outer space senior planetari scienc caltech iowa work jafoust cco caltech edu outer space jeff scn jpl nasa gov star trek voyag home wouldn worri jeff you work for jpl your job imag thing typo couldn resist hope typo stupid joke stupid intend tommi mac tom mcwilliam radiu vision increas ibm msu edu circumfer mysteri grow
sci.space	billboard space phil fraer pgf srl cac usl edu final thi isn bronz ag rememb that human activ practic warrior cast farm cast and priesthood baub respond profit cast bless god and freeli blare presenc even twilight steinn sez priesthood never quit forgiven merchant aka profit cast sic for rise power for evid beless god ness abil blare light even sky evid you hope preistli class upset tommi mac tom mcwilliam radiu vision increas ibm msu edu circumfer mysteri grow
sci.space	gamma rai burster energet articl rgvjsinnbhq senat bedfellow mit edu jfc athena mit edu john carr write gamma rai burster extragalact absorpt galaxi expect transpar galact core gamma rai energi burster put energi depend distanc unknown answer form erg per megaparsec john carr jfc athena mit edu had turn problem set that class for thi problem don calcul problem set that not long ago us that and hope you want thi highli simplifi problem simpl burst burst complex thi exampl will us burst peak flux erg sec and durat second frst second burst and last second flux half peak flux flux peak flux rest time assum that background flux erg sec had find integr luminos burst for sphere oort cloud radiu edg galaxi edg galact corona and lastli mpc integr flux time find fluenc us standbi formula luminos fpeak for radiu found erg sec pretti energet for close for coron model found erg sec and lastli for cosmolog model that you call moder energet suggest put that energi second jeremi
sci.space	vandal sky sichas csa lbl gov scott chase write articl pgf srl cac usl edu pgf srl cac usl edu phil fraer write jeff cook ftcollinsco ncr jeff cook write peopl primit tribe middl and can budweis fly across sky that movi come send quest rid dang thing idea good idea come jule vern not good idea peopl god crazi lesser book can rememb protagonist balloon gondola travel africa world balloon week balloon not good idea you helium vern protagonist didn incread lucki and knew titl movi didn want start talk bring imag team african bushmen show launch site spear and flint knive stop launch want bet success sinc stop shuttl launch sneez hard coupl mile launch site phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man
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sci.space	updat back moon bill introduc back moon congress step kei hurdl for lunar resourc data purchas act introduct act congress thi point congressperson approach bill for success effort pass bill congressperson introduc bill due posit chair hous committe space and scienc congressman georg brown logic choic long record support and interest space develop and help pass launch servic purchas act and space settlement act small group activist southern california assist georg brown recent elect campaign mobil thi group congressman brown back moon bill ask pro space constitu that care get america back moon final good chanc that nationwid alert for space activist call write georg brown introduc back moon bill stage late spring thi produc posit reaction brown offic will pass even success get support bill thi alon will not ensur passag bill for bill becom law condit exist bill reflect widespread nation support for issu such extens unemploy insur benefit propel high price lobbyist luck widespread support congress due small widespread constitu support path that necess choos thi mean that introduct lunar resourc data purchas act immedi accompani larg number congressperson sponsorship bill accomplish thi activist congressperson support lunar resourc data purchas act wait bill introduc simpli late take time congressperson staff review bill your congressperson mention that bill not introduc elicit opinion bill written comment bill activist and politician you back moon bill request copi email includ your postal servic address contact your local chapter nation space societi maximu
sci.space	surviv larg acceler articl fairfiel helio fairfiel helio usq edu raymond fairfield write lpham ei calstat edu lan pham write answer amruth laxman you number pilot blackout dive that exce human toler clarifi thi lan apart fact that you pull not dive that figur for sustain protect durat rate onset bodi posit and support aid critic part equat rememb note instrument gridiron player record peak stapp aviat doctor accid design short period rocket sled deceller ey ball standard har had short calcul stop time even mph that bang seat can and you sit straight find book martin baker human guinea pig hear bad can rate onset high reclin posit and good suit can pilot function flotat tank good bet sinc you can treat bodi fluid and high pressur situat not figur rai fairfield fairfiel zeu usq edu flotat tank combin florid breath water ref abyss breath solut posit astronaut and strap you can acceslor somewhat book call time master thjink that titl that had idea fast and you michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	long term space voyang and effect newsgroup that alot peopl and act long distanc space project tiem explor sailor hunter and such spent alot time alon isol and alon minim surround and sopcial contact such arctic and antarct expedit and such vote for sci space medicin similar newsgroup fro discuss long term mission into space and affect human and such michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	true globe make bill xpresso bill vanc write for quit that earth pear shape globular spheric make globe that accur actual shape landmass configur long lat line etc advanc even globe scale that you fit into your averag room even averag hall deviat you mention not visual evid word micromet requir test fact that globe infact pear shape regard scott scott fisher scott psy uwa au perth local depart psycholog univers western australia perth nedland perth error reboot regist trademark ensoniq corp
sci.space	vandal sky hathawai comment add that protest not come strictli practic consider pollut level accept for research activ profession astronom complain root aesthet reader never time heaven pristin sacr unsulli action human space star profoundli black abyss can full horizon and pure sky half creation time had connect petti matter man light suppli sole natur uncorrupt men religion base mortal man get and immort star whether apotheosi belief afterlif space ag chang that man effect environ thi desir place that man hasn foul point desir for beauti valid even can perfectli achiev agre that desir for beauti valid your desir impos your vision beauti not you mention ag desir ignor beauti actual achiev that vision you mention beauti dark sky not imped effect human ignor beauti dark can sky that visibl space vision that descend dai part effort that call ugli dai hope human will not half heaven natur crete light heaven light advertis space can reach that goal beauti for reach pristin sky yesteryear yester centuri total unreach origin concept beauti wetsern sculptur human form effort strive reach goal don reason that modern chang that chang strive btw place that peopl haven foul sometim make tommi mac tom mcwilliam radiu vision increas ibm msu edu circumfer mysteri grow
sci.space	planet kuiper object found tholen galileo ifa hawaii edu dave tholen write jame nicol write kuiper belt object call karla call smilei previou call smilei smilei and karla can never smilei offici that monik assign asteroid number explain name come perfectli good reason name planetoid smilei equal that don that reason josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu find make attribut hannib
sci.space	vandal sky new cso uiuc edu georg krumin write suggest that minor profession and amateur astronom dark unclutt night sky you for unclutt night sky isn you you right that major haven agre give you and process common misconcept that born endow you right thi that and sadli thi not true you want talk respons that power clutter night sky that matter greg nichol vidi nicho vnet ibm vici nicho olympu demon veni
sci.space	franc spi young french skeptic read skeptic ufo review ovni presenc excerpt august issu thi review robert gallei french minist defens answer belgian ufo wave can you conceiv that send modern craft foreign territori belgian hierarchi ignor that absolut proof can give that time ago inform french author base germani plane make photo pierrelatt thi plane and land ramstein airport colonel back shot pierrelatt had not inform import militari plant enrich uranium pierrelatt drome kind plane sure not plane not follow and can pharabod
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sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai boost hst carri shuttl not damag couldn hst brought back earth and repair job two shuttl flight requir ad alredi horrend expens gruss bruce scott deadliest bullshit max planck institut fuer plasmaphysik odorless and transpar bd spl aug ipp garch mpg gibson opinion express not necessarili univers north carolina chapel hill campu offic for inform technolog experiment bulletin board servic internet launchpad unc edu
sci.space	mcelwain secret messag robert macelwain sez larsonian astronomi and physic etc messag macelwain code messag read cap and come clear type anti matter atom worth billion cost don import for thi wast monei anoth thing that primari propos locat texa and grow problem kind fire ant eat insul underground cabl poison ground and ground water insecticid will requir ant supercollid name super collid ronald reagon propos total absurd built name lead particl physicist messag tell happen legendari larson perhap warn that not expend effort counter macelwain post can tommi mac tom mcwilliam commun communist ibm msu edu and pacifi pacifist timbuk
sci.space	lindbergh and moon not give articl kxf new cso uiuc edu jbh uxa cso uiuc edu josh hopkin write voyag discoveri you give exampl privat fund you film columbu had substanti privat fund columbu ask merchant put monei gui slightli paraphras faith hope and chariti greater bank gregori bond gnb bby burdett buckeridg young melbourn australia knox slick fox sox knox box knox box quick plai lot lsl sick apolog john iron bar mackin
sci.space	death and tax not give billion articl apr indyvax iupui edu tffreeba indyvax iupui edu write thi give win group can compani corp year moratorium tax you talk bozo can even manag novemb promis tax made octob and you expect make and year promis that your faith polit system higher mine wouldn even begin expect that australia and don institutionalis corrupt you gregori bond gnb bby burdett buckeridg young melbourn australia knox slick fox sox knox box knox box quick plai lot lsl sick apolog john iron bar mackin
sci.space	death and tax not give billion apr bby gregori bond write wouldn even begin expect that australia and don institutionalis corrupt you wanna bet you young rememb bob askin read costigan commis report you want corrupt greg nichol vidi nicho vnet ibm vici nicho olympu demon veni
sci.space	planet habit thought make planet habit for human make asumpt that life and similar atmospher evolv rang physic aspect planet question physic aspect simpli disallow earth condit temperatur rang temp pure depend dist sun and sun temperatur atmospher presur noth human toler planetari mass graviti surfac import can human bodi dai dai mass effect atmospher think planet and time mass earth suppos densiti import climat etc not concern axial tilt etc etc factor and relat anoth jonathan fearsom ey and fieri breath dragon burnt girl death late saint georg
sci.space	gamma rai burster apr gmt jfc athena mit edu john carr jfc gamma rai burster extragalact absorpt jfc galaxi expect transpar galact core gamma jfc rai and jim batka jbatka desir wright edu law incorrect assum unknown materi dark matter inhibit gamma rai propag that energet event happen closer even distribut caus characterist propag distanc gamma rai shorter thick disk galaxi not typic energi for gamma rai galaxi effect transpar han bloemen had review articl ann rev astr astrophi year back discuss thi depth mail lazio astrosun cornel edu joseph lazio phone icbm deg deg cornel exist stop rape
sci.space	gamma rai burster articl rbl einnip gap caltech edu palmer cco caltech edu david palmer write prb access digex pat write evid that gamma rai burster enorm power wonder quantum black hole that fairli close galact rang david good explain deduct isotrop edg distribut whit part univers part oort cloud couldn earth centr edg occur edg gravispher isn mechan for isn mechan for keith harwood
sci.space	planet habit articl jpg apr holli bnr jpg bnr jonathan gibbon write thought make planet habit for human make asumpt that life and similar atmospher evolv rang physic aspect planet question physic aspect simpli disallow earth condit temperatur rang temp pure depend dist sun and sun temperatur atmospher presur noth human toler planetari mass graviti surfac import can human bodi dai dai mass effect atmospher think planet and time mass earth suppos densiti import climat etc not concern axial tilt etc etc factor and relat anoth dandridg cole and isaac asimov collabor book titl habit planet for man good librari inter librari loan answer question you specul that consid habit studi length dai for dai night temperatur variat and agricultur concern partial pressur unexpect gass hear xenon narcosi densiti particul atm and composit hear silicosi not fun etc climat isn global phenomenon and needn concern you axial tilt plai larg part determin sever season differ and lesser signific part determin speed prevail wind doug loss loss huski bloomu edu
sci.space	planet habit articl iyd ec cmu edu loss ec cmu edu doug loss write loss ec cmu edu doug loss subject planet habit date tue apr gmt articl jpg apr holli bnr jpg bnr jonathan gibbon write thought make planet habit for human make asumpt that life and similar atmospher evolv rang physic aspect planet question physic aspect simpli disallow earth condit temperatur rang temp pure depend dist sun and sun temperatur atmospher presur noth human toler peopl adapt high altitud and and tibet suspect that gener make adapt european had difficulti make adapt had send women lower altitud pregnant order insur sucess childbirth planetari mass graviti surfac import can human bodi dai dai mass effect atmospher think planet and time mass earth suppos densiti import anoth factor you rai opac atmospher case stellar flare opac import radiat can kill damag microb plant and anim climat etc not concern axial tilt etc etc factor and relat anoth
sci.space	report redesign team feed post number item not redesign activ updat weekli statu redesign base inform provid nasa headquart station redesign team srt provid detail statu report advisori committe redesign space station april dai long meet held anser facil crystal citi topic cover srt includ preliminari mission and goal statement for space station scienc technolog and engin research assess process and design approach discuss manag option and oper concept held design team present option studi option modular buildup pete priest present option priest team work defin station that meet cost goal and identifi distinct phase evolut power station human tend and perman presenc team will defin minimum capabl need achiev each phase total cost each phase and achiev capabl for budget level option current simplifi freedom hardwar cost effect and exist system such call bu spacecraft orbit and spacelab power station capabl achiev flight freedom photo voltaic modul provid power dai shuttl spacelab mission dock power station assum for thi phase human tend capabl provid addit common modul modul add subsystem and payload rack and dock port for esa and japanes laboratori dai mission orbit dock station assum for thi phase oper util mode studi for thi phase option freedom deriv mike griffin present statu option activ griffin detail evolut freedom deriv option initi research capabl human tend capabl perman human presenc capabl two fault toler and final perman human capabl griffin outlin propos system baselin program minor commun and track system crew health care system and eclss and major chang data manag system initi research capabl achiev flight degre inclin flight degre and consist extend durat orbit spacelab combin dock truss segment photo voltaic arrai provid power human tend capabl achiev flight and add truss segment and lab perman human presenc capabl achiev flight two orbit provid habit and assur crew return two fault toler achiev flight build section truss anoth set modul thermal control and propuls system freedom deriv configur achiev intern complet state flight flight bring habitat modul arrai and two assur crew return vehicl acrv complet perman human capabl intern stage griffin told redesign advisori committe that elimin hardwar not meet budget guidelin for freedom deriv option major reduct deferr occur area includ program manag contractor hardwar earli util and oper cost option sing launch core station chet vaughn present option singl launch core station concept shuttl extern tank and solid rocket booster us launch station into orbit shuttl main engin mount tail station modul for launch and jettison separ modul feet diamet and feet long provid cubic feet pressur volum separ into deck connect central passagewai berth port locat place circumfer modul place intern modul and element thi can two fix photo voltaic arrai produc approxim power fly solar interi attitud close comment redesign advisori committe bryan connor design freez establish for option april that detail cost option can begin meet redesign advisori committe will russian consult arriv deleg russian space expert arriv april and brief srt member russian team began group includ russian space agenc gener director koptev and yatsenko rsa team includ repres ministri defens design bureau salyut institut biomed problem ministri foreign affair npo energia and tsnijmash russian team brief srt environment control and life support system dock system proton launch vehicl mir oper and util and soyuz spacecraft russian consult srt assess capabl mir space station and us mir and russian capabl and system part space station redesign will srt manag and oper review continu work continu srt subgroup manag group walt brook work develop famili option that solv current problem and build foundat for transit develop and oper manag option develop includ lead center center director programmat chain command host center program manag report directli associ administr skunk work dedic program offic small dedic locat hand pick program offic combin space station shuttl space station element current program major tune current organ current contract and geograph distribut maintain streamlin oper group john cox build work oper phase assess team lead gene kranz nasa jsc had begun comprehens review oper and had conclud preliminari result that signific cost reduct part work oper group identifi team agenc expert develop detail evalu each design area assembl and oper util mainten and logist and test and ground oper week ahead design support team will provid comprehens statu option station redesign team mondai and tuesdai point design will frozen begin detail cost assess thi week team will begin prepar for round discuss redesign advisori committe held shea step joe shea step director station redesign team april and bryan connor will activ team shea submit resign assist deputi administr for space station analysi will continu serv special advisori nasa administr goldin and consult srt goldin accept resign that request shea reduc workload accommod kei mileston kei date for srt carri schedul april design freez option for cost april design support team present select option srt statu report redesign advisori committe interim report redesign advisori committe june final report redesign advisori committe oct cancel opinion
sci.space	planet kuiper object found articl new cso uiuc edu jbh uxa cso uiuc edu josh hopkin write explain name come perfectli good reason name planetoid smilei equal that don that reason read john carr tinker tailor soldier spy honor schoolboi smilei peopl jan
sci.space	death and tax not give billion articl apr bby gnb babi bby gregori bond write articl apr indyvax iupui edu tffreeba indyvax iupui edu write thi give win group can compani corp year moratorium tax you talk bozo can even manag novemb promis tax made octob and you expect make and year promis that want give lawyer cen don your faith polit system higher mine wouldn even begin expect that australia and don institutionalis corrupt you bet you crook gregori bond gnb bby burdett buckeridg young melbourn australia knox slick fox sox knox box knox box quick plai lot lsl sick apolog john iron bar mackin tom freebairn home earli cen basebal player definitli mail stuff
sci.space	solid state tube analog articl cmu edu msu edu tom write electr guitar enthusiast type amp prefer and you tube type sinc tube lower distort and nois transistor your electr guitar type tube sound dude turn reverb gain add analog delai line and fuzz box wouldn notic distort forgot phase shifter transistor advantag wast heat and energi us heater cathod tube compar mechan system pat
sci.space	vandal sky nicho vnet ibm greg stewart nichol write new cso uiuc edu georg krumin write suggest that minor profession and amateur astronom dark unclutt night sky you for unclutt night sky isn you you right that major haven agre give you and process common misconcept that born endow you right thi that and sadli thi not true you want talk respons that power clutter night sky that matter greg nichol vidi nicho vnet ibm vici nicho olympu demon veni thi reason right that can unpollut air major drive car and us good that creat air pollut manufactur process clean water guess not reason exampl for long time nazi germani major jew homosexu black and that had right fact terror imprison and slaughter thi countri black free slaveri guess not major that slaveri good for that moral imper law impos major immor not follow fact power stop that doesn mean that lose common sens break law thought immor pai feder incom tax even moral oppos govern take monei and spend weapon mass destruct and terror thi precis point make persud peopl logic point that interest equal right aspect life includ adequ hous food and medic care happen that for full life aesthet beauti and joi that unclutt night sky you desert local light and peopl sky dark and transpar milki ablaz detail you thought beauti and take your breath imagin you live worst ghetto due light pollut you never dark sky you fact never not your life majesti night sky you you squalor and your life run thread dispair live for admit two scenario extrem exampl for dream and hope and beauti reason for live that unclutt night sky georg georg krumin serpent and rainbow gfk uxa cso uiuc edu pufferfish observatori
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai articl apr samba oit unc edu bruce scott launchpad unc edu bruce scott write boost hst carri shuttl not damag couldn hst brought back earth and repair job reboost not problem fuel don reboost thi time will servic mission land shuttl that big huge telescop back and you problem shuttl isn design land that weight payload two shuttl flight requir ad alredi horrend expens that concern and loss scienc time that ground fear that come big wig not back main concern danger land add anoth bad vibe increas risk damag instrument final thi chanc for nasa astronanut prove build and servic space station hubbl design for flight servic bring telescop understand consid even recent factor contribut decis plan begin gruss bruce scott deadliest bullshit max planck institut fuer plasmaphysik odorless and transpar bd spl aug ipp garch mpg gibson rob rob dougla space san martin drive softwar engin telescop baltimor usa advanc plan system branch scienc phone internet rdougla stsci edu institut fax disclaim type thingi opinion mine fall standard intellectu properti guidelin intellect doubt intellectu properti you type rob dougla space san martin drive softwar engin telescop baltimor usa advanc plan system branch scienc phone
sci.space	vandal sky newsgroup sci astro sci space subject vandal sky apolog thi post submit fridai messag that post not confus spit contest right inalien right damn major can destruct liberti despot suspect that post not site ain that dark ski includ right can preserv right exercis thought thi add that protest not come strictli practic consider pollut level accept for research activ profession astronom complain root aesthet reader never time heaven pristin sacr unsulli action human space star profoundli black abyss can full horizon and pure sky half creation time had connect petti matter man light suppli sole natur uncorrupt men religion base mortal man get and immort star whether apotheosi belief afterlif space ag chang that effect sputnik and echo etc thi view happen onc light cross night sky and put puni peopl impress and sens size get assimil scale involv awesom even hundr thousand mile involv dwarf rest univers hunger for pure beauti virgin sky aircraft almost sight live popul area mile intern airport light pollut ground ghastli impact human extrem virtual place exist that not shape sculpt modifi trash whip into shape hand man place life form larger bacteria human cockroach and squirrel rat visit friend appalacian mountain weekend get pave road indoor plumb mall and felt good for quickli notic hollow directli main flight path into dull mile east secur light didn matter heard artic wilder get lot high air traffic ski rare perfect thi desir place that man hasn foul mean thi forev tesla idea banish night wow don watch commerci televis can imagin disgust beer truck hemmorrhoid ointment advertis high gotta make buck displai product heaven reaction for sky last beauti refug base modern life open thi list passag hst even sky for thi weekend tonight fridai edt will reach altitud degre local meridian baltimor vicin can mealticket suppos call elitist for support thi intrus night sky complain billboard propos that point desir for beauti valid even can perfectli achiev regard hathawai baltimor ad tuesdai thi not right realiti tome warn that into destroi beauti had that peopl not accept complaint
sci.space	command loss timer galileo updat articl apr bnr jcobban bnr jim cobban write read past fail safe mechan spacecraft had assum that command loss timer had that sort function find disturb oxymoron command that command behavior statu spacecraft not command your argument noop oper comput isn noop sinc increment thi terminolog come jet propuls laboratori noth jet propuls complaint come hasn clue talk carl lydick internet carl sol gp caltech edu nsi hepnet sol carl disclaim hei understand vaxen and vm that paid for understand astronomi pure amateur level below directli relat vax vm don hold organ respons for relat vax vm you can hold respons for organ had noth
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai articl apr samba oit unc edu bruce scott launchpad unc edu bruce scott write boost hst carri shuttl not damag couldn hst brought back earth and repair job forc and acceler involv bit orbit maneuv hst aboard smaller involv reentri land and launch om engin aren power don svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	long term space voyang and effect newsgroup articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write vote for sci space medicin similar newsgroup fro discuss long term mission into space and affect human and such bother newsgroup you want discuss subject start discuss traffic annoi rest will you and will time for newsgroup svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	counntri space surveil articl cpva saic thomson cpva saic write stuff delet thi lead gener question peopl russia and japan space surveil and and allen thomson saic mclean usa french spot exampl that come mind compani name escap moment sell imag world wide you can bet your last dollar franc that french gov get dib rememb year ago time spot launch speak dad usaf offic thi and that and happend mention spot talk technolog util ballist want knew spot and knew guess that space surveil such sensit topic air forc that couldn that read such system popular press week mark mark littlefield intellig system depart internet mll aio jsc nasa gov ussnail lockhe engin and scienc nasa houston
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sci.space	vandal sky didn want quot stuff that recent want add point question dark sky revolv definit moral right and natur right and good can you repres you can enforc civil govern church defin right citizen and enforc right for constitut bill right not legal right consid deriv that countri compar document you can persuad court that you dark sky deriv manner bill right you can prevent billboard launch world launch get into intern law and intern court justic correct name hagu doug loss loss huski bloomu edu
sci.space	vandal sky space digest hathawai stsci edu write protest propos put giant billboard into orbit add that protest not come strictli practic consider pollut level accept for research activ profession astronom complain root aesthet regard hathawai baltimor hathawai post monei lengthi short orbit billboard trash that billboard earth trash billboard make place trashi that law place prohibit us light pollut complaint attempt find tangibl reason orbit billboard peopl don feel moral justifi complain ground that thing defil beauti sky regular orbit spacecraft not thi respect sinc abstract entiti billboard space beer can had thrown side road trash dale greer opinion not confus center for space scienc univers texa dalla utspan utadnx utdssa greer greer utdcss utdalla edu machin multipli work peopl us for lao tzu
sci.space	vandal sky come thi sci space orbit billboard won perman damag year will reenter and hit lo angl boost space commerc orbit advertis provid speed dai for yen for dark ski dark ski dust produc zodiac light want paint cocacola symbol moon lampblack that give paus difficult revers such widespread applic pigment thoma clark institut for simul and train univers central research parkwai suit orlando fax clark acm ucf edu
sci.space	gamma rai burster articl apr tpl tplrd tpl keithh tplrd tpl keith harwood write articl rbl einnip gap caltech edu palmer cco caltech edu david palmer write prb access digex pat write evid that gamma rai burster enorm power wonder quantum black hole that fairli close galact rang david good explain deduct isotrop edg distribut whit part univers part oort cloud couldn earth centr edg occur edg gravispher isn mechan for isn mechan for earth gravispher decai pioneer venu orbit had gamma rai detector ulyss detect brightest burst that earth orbit detector burst oort cloud distanc principl detector space parallax burst solar system origin problem oort cloud sourc that absolut plausibl mechan propos involv physic can closest convent oort sourc model field pinch comet hole count good steinn sigurdsson lick observatori steinli lick ucsc edu standard disclaim law graviti strict and you bend for your benefit
sci.space	temperatur dark sky refer can not your recollect temperatur night sky space note not talk temperatur microwav background radiat thing sky mbr total blackbodi temperatur thermal radiat disregard shield sun and nearbi larg warm object dim recollect that net effect temperatur substanti higher that mbr onc you figur thing star and zodiac light number svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	word chairman boe ssto type stuff yesterdai boe sharehold meet bit shorter expect last year stock made big present and program thi year bare bone case want question that board director hear and earli and figur that didn mike read mine card and wrote and hand meet start shrontz that answer written question order fair peopl overflow room that had monitor downstair natur crush question and answer time supris find question read and answer admittedli end that get earli and get question earli made differ substanc question boe high speed civil transport such commerci space launch system and not will boe compet reusabl singl stage orbit technolog present develop mcdonnel douglass read hitch and edit impress answer quickli treat two part question last part thi recollect singl stage orbit technolog that answer two stage approach and talk custom that commerci that long wai high speed civil transport commerci plan thi point thi tell that boe consid space commerci arena and for part thi true tell that monei build space launcher for persu work friend spacelift program boe thi mi nomer spacelift contract for work that thi gui work prepar propos for space lifter contract won thi tsto action take place boe minimum chairman board boe that approach mind and thi new thi threaten work john
sci.space	temperatur dark sky articl zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write refer can not your recollect temperatur night sky space note not talk temperatur microwav background radiat thing sky mbr total blackbodi temperatur thermal radiat disregard shield sun and nearbi larg warm object dim recollect that net effect temperatur substanti higher that mbr onc you figur thing star and zodiac light number svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri not quit you ask year ago help remot sens peopl run experi microwav emmiss ic us sky for background calibr sourc that earth surfac sky blackbodi kurt hillig dept chemistri phone univers michigan absolut truth khillig umich edu ann arbor hillig chem lsa umich edu
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai anoth factor bring hst back earth risk contamin luciana messina lcm spl spl loral
sci.space	space calendar space calendar updat monthli and latest copi am arc nasa gov pub space faq send updat correct ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov note that launch date subject chang person made contribut thi month calendar denni newkirk soyuz launch date dec space calendar april chang last month calendar april apr astra arian launch advanc photovolta electron experi apex pegasu launch radcal scout launch gp pmq delta launch commerci experi transport comet conestoga launch astronomi dai iapetu saturn eclips galileo enter asteroid belt eta aquarid meteor shower maximum solar lon deg air forc titan launch st endeavour european retriev carrier eureca anniversari pioneer venu orbit launch partial solar eclips visibl north america northern europ magellan aerobrak begin june jun temisat meteor launch jun uhf atla launch jun noaa atla launch jun test flight delta clipper unman jun hispasat insat arian launch jun lunar eclips visibl north america jun sakigak earth flybi japan jun anniversari charon discoveri pluto moon christi jun st discoveri advanc commun technolog satellit juli jul msti scout launch jul galaxi arian launch jul soyuz launch soviet jul soyuz launch soviet jul soyuz land soviet jul iapetu saturn eclips jul soyuz land soviet jul delta aquarid meteor shower maximum solar longitud degre jul nasa birthdai august aug et engin test satellit launch japan aug geo launch aug landsat launch aug orbcom fdm pegasu launch aug anniversari pioneer venu launch atmospher probe aug mar observ trajectori correct maneuv tcm aug delta aquarid meteor shower maximum solar longitud degre aug perseid meteor shower maximum solar longitud degre aug mar observ mar orbit insert moi aug st columbia spacelab life scienc sl aug galileo asteroid ida flybi septemb sep spot arian launch sep tubsat launch sep seastar pegasu launch octob oct intelsat arian launch oct slv pegasu launch oct telstar atla launch oct seawif launch oct orionid meteor shower maximum solar longitud degre novemb nov solidaridad mop arian launch nov anniversari marin launch mercuri venu flybi mission nov taurid meteor shower nov galileo exit asteroid belt nov mercuri transit across sun visibl asia australia and south pacif nov mar observ map orbit establish nov st discoveri spacehab nov partial solar eclips visibl southern hemispher nov wilhelm herschel birthdai nov leonid meteor shower maximum solar longitud degre nov mar observ map begin nov total lunar eclips visibl north america south america decemb dec atla launch dec nato delta launch dec tom pegasu launch dec directtv thiacom arian launch dec istp wind delta launch dec step pegasu launch dec soyuz launch soviet dec st endeavour hubbl space telescop repair dec spektr launch soviet dec anniversari pioneer jupit flybi dec mar observ mar equinox dec geminid meteor shower maximum solar longitud degre dec mar observ solar conjunct begin dec ursid meteor shower maximum solar longitud degre januari jan mar observ end solar conjunct jan clementin titan iig launch lunar orbit asteroid flybi mission februari feb sfu launch feb gm launch feb anniversari marin venu flybi feb st columbia micrograv payload usmp feb galileo birthdai feb clementin lunar orbit insert feb anniversari marin launch mar flybi mission march mar launch mar anniversari voyag jupit flybi mar albert einstein birthdai mar anniversari marin launch mar flybi mission mar anniversari marin mercuri flybi mar galaxi delta launch april apr equat scout launch apr mar observ perihelion apr st atlanti srl ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar and part veget
sci.space	bil space race idea moon base cheap billion scheme fantasi canard space busi call troll for billionair good chanc that smaller program million will pass congress thi back moon bill put togeth peopl pass launch servic purchas act bill incent privat compani develop lunar orbit vendor select basi competit bid aggreg cap bid million singl rich individu pai billion for lunar mission wors govern bankrol million program delta clipper program shown fund sdio million clear chanc make lunar mission happen thi decad oppos simpli wish for dream come true support back moon bill for inform send mail your postal servic address maximu
sci.space	vandal sky articl apr ucf edu clark acm ucf edu thoma clark write want paint cocacola symbol moon lampblack that give paus wouldn bother laugh wouldn work surfac moon pretti dark and contrast poor you couldn possibl reason moon bright that bright sunlight dark sky evid heinlein didn that svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	vandal sky articl ec cmu edu loss ec cmu edu doug loss write didn want quot stuff that recent want add point enforc right for constitut bill right not legal right consid deriv that countri group discuss thi huh legitim power enforc right deriv consent govern not steenkin piec paper civil gov mnt not autonom comput program interact constitut made peopl and can trash ain sacr scriptur right flow right come soul and didn request vote trash sky opinion right not court compar document you can persuad court that you dark sky deriv manner bill right you can prevent billboard launch world launch get into intern law and intern court justic correct name hagu doug loss loss huski bloomu edu graciou regard whh
sci.space	want that billion articl vvg zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write doesn spend billion dollar sinc prize not scale match level effort you can spend billion pretti quickli bui titan launch fine bui georg georgee that assum can weasel cooper ventur sort cut break launcher cut you proce work govern pai higher list price you bui titan prize monei your entir return invest you develop launch system and prize ic cake you martin marietta sinc recal bought line aerospac product hous project cost bui list price profit margin built titan mon allen tell cheap can improv thi that doubt that billion dollar prize show return justifi invest you constrain us current launcher profit you want pull million and wouldn shabbi not mention goodi collect movi right million conserv advertis mommi drink coke intang name recogn experi data acculum you invest your front monei build launch system piss exist import you bankrupt you want lean fine million prize adequ for prize wale kind defin compani decent profit you want you write claus suppos you make sbir set softwar engin that militari intellig isn sysmgr cadlab eng umd edu
sci.space	two line orbit element set space shuttl current orbit element norad two line element set carri celesti bb and updat daili document and track softwar thi system servic satellit user commun current element for current shuttl mission provid below celesti bb access hour dai bp data bit stop bit pariti element set updat daili shuttl element and document and softwar anonym ftp archiv afit mil directori pub space st kelso assist professor space oper tkelso afit mil air forc institut technolog
sci.space	lindbergh and moon not give gnb babi bby gregori bond write articl kxf new cso uiuc edu jbh uxa cso uiuc edu josh hopkin write voyag discoveri you give exampl privat fund you film columbu had substanti privat fund columbu ask merchant put monei gui slightli paraphras faith hope and chariti greater bank heck ship loaner own basqu you group that cross atlant columbu gregori bond gnb bby burdett buckeridg young melbourn australia knox slick fox sox knox box knox box quick plai lot lsl sick apolog john iron bar mackin phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man
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sci.space	comet launch date your familiar comet program thi concern you comet schedul launch wallop island june offici launch date set rob
sci.space	want that billion articl rkb inn mojo eng umd edu sysmgr king eng umd edu write you bui titan prize monei your entir return invest you develop launch system and prize ic cake you martin marietta sinc recal bought line aerospac product you error your memori bought satellit build side not and competitor hous project cost bui list price not talk order magnitud you want us titan belong usaf not mon allen tell cheap can improv thi that you can heavylift launcher fairli cheap you privat gummint project talk that will cost digit per launch you can guarante larg market justifi volum product svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	space surveil meant peopl answer and email question countri engag space surveil appar didn make mean messag clear sinc repli address satellit reconnaiss space surveil meant not countri us satellit earth satellit reconnaiss countri program detect and track determin orbit element satellit pass overhead space surveil missil defens radar supplement fascin quasi radar oper navi thi for satellit leo and electroopt system for object altitud fee understand thing amateur satellit observ us eyebal binocular stopwatch and pc for object enabl track satellit for offici element set aren fascin book desmond king hele for detail file molczan directori kilroi jpl nasa gov materi post previou messag suggest that japan engag optic and radar space surveil modest degre and that countri question meant and allen thomson saic mclean don speak for saic
sci.space	long term human mission excerpt rek siss robert kay contribut space program regular societi calcul teflon your egg don stick pan pacemak grandfath aliv don forget tang smile robert shearman univers maryland colleg park maryland mail madison wam umd edu will work for chocol
sci.space	mir even ski astronomi space magazin telephon newslin carri time russian space station mir will visibl even time clock and midnight april bright jupit two cosmonuat board for time watch tel min peak min time predict start weekli messag cost penc mail report sight appreci give lat long and second accuraci pass below bright star brighter mag planet moon moon even sky note that mir will pass front moon each night alert local club telephon newslin and gener public mir can quit stir toni ryan astronomi space intern magazin astronomi ireland box dublin ireland issu year sub pound surfac add airmail access visa mastercard accept give number expir date name address world largest astro soc per capita you tel ireland eir cost per min
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sci.space	mir even ski friend astronomi space magazin telephon newslin carri time russian space station mir will visibl even time clock and midnight april bright jupit two cosmonuat board for time watch tel min peak min time predict start weekli messag cost penc mail report sight appreci give lat long and second accuraci pass below bright star brighter mag planet moon moon even sky note that mir will pass front moon each night alert local club telephon newslin and gener public mir can quit stir toni ryan astronomi space intern magazin astronomi ireland box dublin ireland issu year sub pound surfac add airmail access visa mastercard accept give number expir date name address world largest astro soc per capita you tel ireland eir cost per min mir time april pass jupit brighter arcturu dimmer jupit not highest pass
sci.space	temperatur dark sky articl apr new arc nasa gov mose pan arc nasa gov juli mose write radiat field measur and model group rememb thing correctli model involv contribut sourc obviou temperatur background radiat local area sky doesn black bodi you carefulli temperatur radio frequenc quit bit higher you black bodi morgan gordon fat commun satellit handbook graph sky temperatur wavelength fact for commun design term energi content frequenc neglig for thermal purpos larg distanc sun sky black bodi allen astrophys quantiti haven found number for larg distanc sinc solar radiat you can ignor discuss solar radiat domin problem svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	univers motion book review book review univers motion dewei larson north pacif publish portland oregon page index hardcov univers motion contain final solut astrophys mysteri thi book volum iii revis and enlarg edit structur physic univers volum noth motion and volum basic properti matter book and journal articl subject astrophys bristl integr partial differenti and fanci mathemat thi book contrast mathemat conspicu absenc for rel simpl formula imbed text larson emphas concept and declar that mathemat agreement theori not guarante conceptu valid dewei larson retir engin bachelor scienc degre engin scienc oregon state univers develop theori describ book find mathemat calcul properti chemic compound base element univers motion describ astrophys portion larson consist integr comprehens gener unifi theori physic univers kind grand unifi field theori that orthodox physicist and astro physicist claim for built two postul physic and mathemat natur space and time physic univers compos compon motion exist dimens discret unit and two reciproc aspect space and time physic univers conform relat ordinari commut mathemat primari magnitud absolut and geometri euclidean two postul larson build complet theoret univers photon and subatom particl giant ellipt galaxi combin concept inward and outward scalar motion translat vibrat rotat and rotat vibrat motion each step develop match part theoret univers part real physic univers includ even thing not discov for exampl book predict exist explod galaxi year astronom start find consequ comprehens theori and quasar discov had relat explan readi for result theori call reciproc system larson total reject sacr doctrin orthodox physicist and astrophysicist includ black hole neutron star degener matter quantum wave mechan appli atom structur nuclear physic gener rel relativist mass increas relativist doppler shift nuclear fusion star and big bang consid noth mathemat fantasi critic hoc assumpt uncertainti principl solut principl declar etc us maintain univers motion divid into chapter begin descript galaxi built gravit attract globular star cluster form intergalact ga and dust cloud that accumul decai product cosmic rai come anti matter half physic univers galaxi format mythic big bang big mysteri orthodox astronom describ life cycl star and binari and multipl star system and solar system result type supernova explos singl star chapter devot quasar larson dens pack cluster star that eject central bulg explod galaxi and travel faster speed light that speed time astronom and astrophysicist run observ that contradict theori find larson explan quit valuabl consid open mind for exampl us that gamma rai burst origin pulsar exist primarili plane central bulg galaxi gamma rai telescop earth orbit observ that burst come direct uniformli and not correspond visibl object for case direct coincid larson explan that gamma rai burst origin supernova explos anti matter half physic univers larson call cosmic sector anti matter univers exist reciproc relat materi univers speed light boundari and dimens time and dimens space burst can pop into materi univers anywher seemingli random larson heavili quot paraphras statement book journal articl and lead physicist and astronom thi book superscript number identifi entri refer list end book for exampl quot book astronomi cosmic journei william hartmann hope understand star brighten explain exactli binari and multipl star form cannot larson book contain logic consist explan such mysteri that worthi consider physicist astronom and astrophysicist for inform answer your question etc consult cite sourc larson book alter reproduct and dissemin thi import book review encourag robert mcelwain physic and astronomi
sci.space	long term human mission mike adam suggest discuss long term effect spaceflight human love thi topic you regular henri encourag statement start talk feel that commun peopl uniqu resourc deliv world comprehens book can elabor util spaceflight field diverg medic intens care agricultur environment protect and not that gener public understand impact spaceflight societi absenc such knowledg dwindl support world space effort that group respons not commun ourselv print media orchestr and technic orient analysi life scienc variabl requir support long durat spaceflight long expendit moon mar entertain and educ gener public object such effort compil resourc and public accept scientif and technic journal address each major life scienc area addit idea for research and develop put forward for gener public ponder allow gener public part excit explor individu interest will devot hour per week run literatur search and find journal articl addit obtain assist personnel hall nasa and industri appreci posit respons date and person eager start thi project perhap start debat grade viabil technolog for applic spaceflight ken
sci.space	gamma rai burster articl apr midwai uchicago edu pef midwai uchicago edu write bats detector can locat determin degre gsfc david comment current state locat determin ind pendent sight detector help drive uncertainti avoid your question for learnin promis come back info can find that bats primari instrument develop sky map long term sourc that fact and spacecraft attitud knowledg approx arcmin figur bats can determin locat rotat gamma rai burster knowledg sky map accuraci materi for instrument give accuraci order fraction degre that speak gro net world happi that prep for orbit adjust branch gui help that thing smoothli iso valv prep and burn will place mid june find back info david gsfc don nuthin bout measurin gamma rai wind paraphras
sci.space	temperatur dark sky henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write refer can not your recollect temperatur night sky space you find that allen astrophys quantiti athlon press dover edit accuraci can calcul specif refer allen calcul temperatur degre lot peopl remark thi temperatur eddington book intern constitut star reprint temperatur space degre sourc thi temperatur radiat starlight dim recollect that net effect temperatur substanti higher that mbr onc you figur thing star and zodiac light number accuraci measur temperatur thi not coincid tom tom van flandern washington metar meta research found foster research into idea not support conflict mainstream theori astronomi
sci.space	gamma rai burster energet articl apr vax mankato msu edu belgarath vax mankato msu edu write energet for close for coron model found erg sec and lastli for cosmolog model that you call moder energet suggest put that energi second jeremi big capacitor real big capacitor pat
sci.space	gamma rai burster struck interest discuss that not astrophysicist nuclear physicist boil bit data burst date show smooth random distribut that mean aren concentr galact core els distribut smooth enorm larg phenomena scatter edg univers phenomena subject debat almost vioent phenomena phenomena oort cloud potent energi sourc that isn detect current method not real close slightli extra solar parallax measur burst burst bright black hole quanta super string impact that watch data and argu mad meanwhil wonder thi peopl opinion physic problem einstein for solvingth photoelectr effect copernicu start irregular planetari motion thi big problem creat area physic specul think folk pat
sci.space	gamma rai burster steinli topaz ucsc edu steinn sigurdsson write articl apr tpl tplrd tpl keithh tplrd tpl keith harwood write articl rbl einnip gap caltech edu palmer cco caltech edu david palmer write prb access digex pat write evid that gamma rai burster enorm power wonder quantum black hole that fairli close galact rang david good explain deduct isotrop edg distribut whit part univers part oort cloud couldn earth centr edg occur edg gravispher isn mechan for isn mechan for earth gravispher decai pioneer venu orbit had gamma rai detector ulyss detect brightest burst that earth orbit detector burst oort cloud distanc principl detector space parallax burst solar system origin problem oort cloud sourc that absolut plausibl mechan propos involv physic can closest convent oort sourc model field pinch comet hole count good steinn sigurdsson lick observatori steinli lick ucsc edu standard disclaim law graviti strict and you bend for your benefit come oort cloud expect star oort cloud andrew walker
sci.space	vandal sky articl new cso uiuc edu gfk uxa cso uiuc edu georg krumin write object float billboard that move sky for legisl that peopl had bit common courtesi and greed for monei impact ether and aesthet valu that make human thi includ for wild and unspoil thing includ night sky that aesthet argument thi string shoudl mofe sci space aesthet plane ruin night sky blimp ruin night sky radio tower ruin night sky vote and creat nation park includ onobstruct air space
sci.space	gamma rai burster articl steinli apr topaz ucsc edu steinli topaz ucsc edu steinn sigurdsson write thi not propos mechan for grb oort and anti matter annihil not fit spectra understand annihil spectra big differ that ignor question you fit distribut oort distribut oort distribut not comet aphelia not not good measur oort cloud distribut merg neutron star mechan energi doesn explain appar correl galaxi galaxi structur mechan for get energi gamma rai signific amount baryon will lot pair product make plasma thermal energi troubl gener energi explain power burst erg happen fast compar burst durat and hard make tight binari neutron star anoth cosmolog mechin catalyt convers neutron star strang star merger two strang star that pretti physic point that don good mechan distanc grb like happen unknown mechan can rule oort cloud spectrum event convert comet strang matter spectra for primordi black hole eat comet and antimatt comet collid matter comet aren quit perhap unusu mechan modifi spectrum energi match for mechan trevor week tunguska meteorit mini black hole collis earth like mini black hole that rate for comet collis match grb rate fact that don distribut comet oort cloud isn reason rule make harder rule point cite paper that assum distribut for oort cloud hard not imposs match that distribut grb wrong distribut for oort cloud can constrain oort cloud grb execut summari don rule oort cloud
sci.space	gamma rai burster posit stuff articl rmh einn gap caltech edu kwp wag caltech edu kevin plaxco write articl apr stdvax gsfc nasa gov abdkw stdvax gsfc nasa gov david ward write that fact and spacecraft attitud knowledg approx arcmin figur bats can determin locat rotat gamma rai burster knowledg sky map accuraci materi for instrument give accuraci order fraction degre that that fundament differ instrument focus instrument that form imag posit error limit craft attitud and resolv power optic bats altogeth beast effect coincid counter each corner craft posit inform triangul differenti signal arriv time each detector posit error predominantli determin time error and error craft attitud sinc bast detector independ angular resolut whatsoev can not us determin parallax parallax add small compon posit error demonstr that puppi oort cloud requir resolut order arcsecond sinc oort cloud postul extend parsec togeth parallax arc second parsec distanc object that demonstr arc second parallax base line degre accuraci report true add bast pluto fast flybi baselin beauti bast that posit inform and watch entir sky simultan reali handi combin you idea burst come kevin bats alon isn us determin posit bright burst occur coupl detector that catch pioneer get thi puppi that bright burst happen nearbi huge annulu creat will hopefulli intersect line gener circl bats and can moder accur posit degre that closest advisor anoth classmat mine and talk dai put detector pluto satellit realiz that satellit alon carri pound bats detector lead shield protect and alon weigh pound decid jeremi
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai articl ckb access digex net prb access digex pat write guess bother usingth shuttl reboost not grappl fix bolt small liquid fuel thruster modul hst make boost cheaper mass usingth shuttl tug that that spacewalk can carri edo pallet and sit station and even solar arrai tilt motor fix herni point you develop thruster lighter you lift mass thruster orbit and thruster lift weight into higher orbit and you room payload bai pat
sci.space	gamma rai burster wampyr uow edu walker andrew john write come oort cloud expect star oort cloud that good point perhap nearbi star oort cloud alpha centauri multipl star system you wouldn expect oort cloud nearest singl star that like planetari system
sci.space	inexpens method for determin or oil locat dear gentlemen firm call interbusi offer quit inexpens method determin or oil locat world thi method us data space satellit your offic and thees data you can good stati tical prognosi locat mention thi prognosi for part world you interest detail send mail svn aoib msk sushkov vladimir moscow russia
sci.space	temperatur dark sky henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write refer can not your recollect temperatur night sky space temperatur intergalact space interclust intersuperclust space close microwav background temperatur kelvin recal that interstellar space neighborhood galaxi that you for erik max franci tsftdotiot appl uuwest max max west darksid usmail oakmont san jose icbm you strateg game interstellar conquest univers omnia quia sunt lumina sunt thing that light
sci.space	temperatur dark sky henri spencer write refer can not your recollect temperatur night sky space note not talk temperatur microwav background radiat thing sky mbr total blackbodi temperatur thermal radiat disregard shield sun and nearbi larg warm object henri read you correctli you ask put blackbodi interstellar space disregard sun and nearbi larg warm object termperatur will reach thermal equilibrium ambient radiat field that case point that interstellar dust and molecul provid instanc thing that not blackbodi observ includ ira and cobe determin that interstellar dust grain temperatur can rang you confer proceed interstellar process hollenbach and thronson publish articl tielen seab and black insid disk galaxi temperatur vari quit bit place place close you nearest associ guess galaxi thing aren vari hope thi you for michael richmond thi heart that broke finger richmond astro princeton edu
sci.space	long term human mission articl apr rpslmc edu rek siss robert kay write contribut space program regular societi calcul teflon your egg don stick pan pacemak grandfath aliv don tout contribut good idea world war produc benefici spinoff radar jet aeroplan rocket technolog don argu that world war and good thing you want peopl back space program good thing and paul
sci.space	gamma rai burster articl apr desir wright edu jbatka desir wright edu write assum that can guess assum energi event and law law incorrect assum unknown materi dark matter inhibit gamma rai propag that energet event happen closer even distribut caus characterist propag distanc gamma rai shorter thick disk galaxi problem thi theori that gamma rai sourc that energi rang and energi doesn significantli absorb
sci.space	vandal sky fdw new cso uiuc edu georg krumin write thi reason right that can you you regard will regard privileg followup gener ethic and moral newsgroup greg nichol vidi nicho vnet ibm vici nicho olympu demon veni
sci.space	vandal sky rl access digex net prb access digex pat write plane ruin night sky blimp ruin night sky radio tower ruin night sky vote and creat nation park includ onobstruct air space you heard prof mcnalli dai astronomi undergradu denounc photon pollut easi imagin take practic step modifi sodium lamp street mill hill observatori gaug shotgun limit effect streetlight ad reflector that light illumin ground you bonu power consumpt requir for illumin level reduc strang astronom seek lobbi elect local author us such light system consider success desert area major observatori that mcnalli told year ago british local author couldn care can suppos that dark ski aspir worthwhil illumin orbit billboard yukki and area intern law find idea bear anti satellit weapon intrigu peter card joint european toru abingdon oxfordshir tel fax email pjc jet compuserv wasnt made disclaim note that person view and not constru offici comment jet project
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sci.space	internet resourc take entitl explor scienc internet for final project find compendium internet resourc deal scienc relat topic chose astronomi wonder knew interest resourc internet that provid inform astronomi space nasa that keith malinowski stk vax stockton edu box stockton state colleg pomona jersei
sci.space	gamma rai burster posit stuff articl apr vax mankato msu edu belgarath vax mankato msu edu write get thi puppi that bright burst happen nearbi huge annulu creat will hopefulli intersect line gener circl bats and can moder accur posit degre that closest you can hell lot degre differenti time measur interplanetari network ignor direct inform bats time arriv detector properli arrang can posit arc minut btw oort cloud sourc shouldn thi testabl fairli futur grb short rise time detect curvatur burst wavefront distanc order detector space and time resolut for and thi order light year understand statist will reduc thi number consider geometri burst come wrong direct paul
sci.space	planet habit articl iyd ec cmu edu loss ec cmu edu doug loss write articl jpg apr holli bnr jpg bnr jonathan gibbon write thought make planet habit for human make asumpt that life and similar atmospher evolv rang physic aspect planet question physic aspect simpli disallow earth condit delet dandridg cole and isaac asimov collabor book titl habit planet for man good librari inter librari loan thi high school scienc version origin rand studi stephen dole planet for man harder number graph such predat michael hart work continu habit zone
sci.space	planet habit thought make planet habit for human make asumpt that life and similar atmospher evolv rang physic aspect planet question physic aspect simpli disallow earth condit thi good question major blind spot understand make earth habit for exampl earth atmospher concentr oxygen naiv answer photosynthesi thi incomplet photosynthesi can make atmospher oxygen oxygen produc consum plant decai eaten need photosynthesi mechan sequest fraction result reduc materi earth thi mechan burial seafloor sediment organ matter ocean sourc thi burial requir continent sediment deep ocean burial rate slow that materi consum can sequest thi suggest that planet larg ocean planet contin undergo weather will hard time accumul oxygen atmospher ocean planet hard time support oxygen atmospher problem oxygen earth atmospher rel stabl geolog time for period order magnitud longer decai time atmospher weather absenc replenish convinc feedback mechan identifi perhap reason weak anthrop principl last myr oxygen level had drop low wouldn wonder paul dietz dietz rochest edu
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sci.space	dream machin book vaporwar spacecraft ron miller space artist long and distinguish career admir paint rememb usp solar system explor stamp last year and write histori spaceflight for year work big project almost readi hit street brochur publish land mailbox and thought cool type part long net strong interest vaporwar spacecraft dream machin illustr histori spaceship art scienc and literatur ron miller foreword arthur clark krieger publish compani melbourn florida usa orig pre public isbn thi text histori spaceship cultur and technolog phenomenon idea vehicl for travers space betwen world not spring full blown into exist tlatter half thei centuri preced abil make such devic hundr year realiz that world thi human be want reach trace histori imagin and prescient attempt solv thi problem reflect histori technolog scienc astronomi and engin onc space travel feasibl spacecraft concept develop draw board ground for that matter describ thei book for reason pre space ag and pre flight idea accur reflect era dream abil and knowledg virtual spaceship concept invent sinc select event import develop idea extraterrestri travel list chronolog chronolog entri comparison actual astronaut event and specul ventur comparison simultan event take place countri reveal connect influenc and evolut hitherto unsuspect entri accompani illustr spacecraft concept illustr schemat draw thi accur comparison made designss visual differ similar and influenc thi text will interest student astronaut histori and model builder interest schemat diagram scienc fiction fan aviat histori buff and historian scienc will find thi book fascin uniqu collect illustr make visual attract and interest histori spaceship special featur includ scale draw hundr spacecraft real and fiction contain score illustr artwork draw and photo contemporari subject thi includ extrem rare illustr scarc book and novel exclus photo and draw fromsoviet spacecraft rare still famou and obscur scienc fiction film and unpublish photograph nasa archiv index bibliographi and appendic includ content part archaeolog spaceship part invent spaceship part iii experiment part world war part golden ag spaceship part dawn space ag present ron miller brochur page stuff hit high spot art director for albert einstein planetarium smithsonian nation air and space museum member intern associ for astronom art member intern astronaut associ fellow british interplanetari societi consult editor for air space smithsonian magazin author author editor sole illustr book sinc includ space art cycl fire grand tour and articl and paper book jacket and interior art for dozen publish contributor ibm travel exhibit and book blueprint for space product illustr for movi dune and total recal design ten stamp set commemor space postag stamp for postal servic solar system explor order inform pre public price price will krieger publish compani box melbourn usa direct order line fax add for ship up usa for book for each addit book for foreign order add for book for each addit addit charg for airmail shipment zap bill higgin fermi nation acceler laboratori bitnet higgin fnal bitnet internet higgin fnal fnal gov span hepnet physnet higgin
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sci.space	gamma rai burster articl rmh einn gap caltech edu kwp wag caltech edu kevin plaxco write resolv power optic bats altogeth beast effect coincid counter each corner craft posit inform triangul differenti signal arriv time each detector not count rate low and signal rise time long for thi cgro meter long you time accuraci nanosecond thi bats measur rel strength each detector function photon energi each detector not isotrop respons thi model scatter photon materi each detector and even scatter photon earth atmospher back spacecraft reduc error degre paul dietz dietz rochest edu
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sci.space	mar explor lectur aiaa san gabriel vallei section sponsor lectur mar explor jet propuls lab admiss free and open public frontier challeng mar explor date time locat von karman auditorium jet propuls lab oak grove drive pasadena california speaker will featur scienc fiction perspect tom mcdonaugh scienc fiction writer mar observ arden albe project scientist mar observ jpl mar arthur lane instrument manag mar jpl mar environment survei mesur richard cook mission design jpl man mission mar robert zubrin senior engin martin marietta astronaut for inform contact aiaa mark leon ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar and part veget
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sci.space	long term human mission articl apr wisipc weizmann ward pashosh wisdom weizmann ward paul wrote calcul teflon your egg don stick pan pacemak grandfath aliv don tout contribut good idea world war produc benefici spinoff radar jet aeroplan rocket technolog don argu that world war and good thing you want peopl back space program good thing and disagre tout agre that space program inher good thing peopl todai care will cost and for and care whether simpli worthwhil and societi becom increasingli gear short term you read couldn care week centuri want show for expenditur and want thing that that spinoff space program that you can prove worth and vote and pai tax continu exist space program reli that monei btw don forget velcro bcnu john gladu system support center baylor colleg medicin internet jgladu bcm tmc edu voic mail baylor plaza houston texa opinion express that
sci.space	gamma rai burster articl steinli apr topaz ucsc edu steinli topaz ucsc edu steinn sigurdsson write problem oort cloud sourc that absolut plausibl mechan propos involv physic can closest convent oort sourc model field pinch comet hole count good you plausibl model for grb astronom distanc recent observ rule merg neutron star hypothesi had lot problem for implaus model and fundament allow independ model paper possibl grb oort cloud astrophys abstract servic copi thi paper send messag astro babbag sissa subject line abstract that paper favor explan for origin grb put cosmolog distanc long distanc indic event sourc isotrop distribut remain consider thi oort cloud comet list mechan for gener grb cometari nuclei possibl that grb origin solar cometari cloud cannot exclud disprov us data distribut grb bats catalogu march and catalogu cometari orbit marsden and william investig whether observ indic for correl angular distribut grb and comet aphelia assum that distribut aphelia direct reflect extent true variat column densiti oort cloud appli vov test distribut perform varieti statist test kolmogorov smirnov test for distribut galact latitud chi test for spheric multipl moment and cross correl analysi includ test sub sampl for isol effect observ bias test impli that that two distribut agre statist signific not suffici for rule connect complet confid perform mont carlo simul show that number burst exce sim rule correl angular distribut combin test larg disagr found for vov paramet make oort cloud comet relat grb
sci.space	vandal sky articl apr csa lbl gov sichas csa lbl gov scott chase write articl pgf srl cac usl edu pgf srl cac usl edu phil fraer write jeff cook ftcollinsco ncr jeff cook write peopl primit tribe middl and can budweis fly across sky that movi idea good idea come jule vern not god crazi comment top head wasn awar that had thought guess true that noth sun thi case fly billboard jeff cook jeff cook ftcollinsco ncr
sci.space	two line orbit element set space shuttl current orbit element norad two line element set carri celesti bb and updat daili document and track softwar thi system servic satellit user commun current element for current shuttl mission provid below celesti bb access hour dai bp data bit stop bit pariti element set updat daili shuttl element and document and softwar anonym ftp archiv afit mil directori pub space st kelso assist professor space oper tkelso afit mil air forc institut technolog
sci.space	temperatur dark sky refer can not your recollect temperatur night sky space note not talk temperatur microwav background radiat thing sky mbr total blackbodi temperatur thermal radiat disregard shield sun and nearbi larg warm object not thi will you local interstellar radiat field measur and model group rememb thing correctli model involv contribut sourc obviou temperatur background radiat local area refer give interstellar radiat densiti function wavelength and you can integr and averag manner effect temperatur you witt and johnson astrophi henri astrophi mathi astron astrophi you can refer date you start hope thi help juli
sci.space	gamma rai burster articl ethanb apr ptolemi astro washington edu ethanb ptolemi astro washington edu ethan bradford write articl steinli apr topaz ucsc edu steinli topaz ucsc edu steinn sigurdsson write problem oort cloud sourc that absolut plausibl mechan propos involv physic can closest convent oort sourc model field pinch comet hole count good you plausibl model for grb astronom distanc don plausibl model for grb distanc recent observ rule merg neutron star hypothesi had lot problem for implaus model and fundament allow independ model hmm superbowl burst claim press releas cast doubt merg hypothesi read and haven paper press consist merg model paper possibl grb oort cloud astrophys abstract servic copi thi abstract that paper indic event sourc isotrop distribut remain consider thi oort cloud comet list mechan for gener grb cometari nuclei possibl that grb origin solar cometari cloud cannot exclud disprov thi not propos mechan for grb oort and anti matter annihil not fit spectra understand annihil spectra big differ that ignor question you fit distribut oort distribut oort distribut not comet aphelia not not good measur oort cloud distribut steinn sigurdsson lick observatori steinli lick ucsc edu standard disclaim law graviti strict and you bend for your benefit
sci.space	vandal sky wonder vandal proper word us thi situat dictionari defin vandal will malici destructuion public privat properti beauti artisitc agre sky beauti not that public privat properti person prefer natur ski citi light and san aircraft for into sky and satellit peopl real kick haven josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu find make attribut hannib
sci.space	mar observ updat forward mar observ project mar observ statu report april pdt flight sequenc activ tuesdai april activ begin shortli yesterdai command spacecraft execut seri slew and roll provid mag magnetomet team data point vari spacecraft attitud and orient for purpos character spacecraft gener magnet field and effect instrument spacecraft command back sun star init state establish inerti refer transit back arrai normal spin began sequenc power board transmitt telemetri reacquisit occur approxim kb scienc and engin downlink data rate high gain antenna subsystem engin report that system nomin command termin low gain antenna for uplink uplink and downlink hga mag calibr data record digit tape record and playback dtr schedul place tomorrow morn and playback dtr schedul place tomorrow even begin and end fridai dtr playback will perform high gain antenna bit per second verif success dtr playback downlink will maintain rate mag cal activ timelin end shortli fridai morn ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar and part veget
sci.space	level harrisd mit edu david harri messag mit edu wingert vnet ibm subject level shuttl softwar work bret you familiar softwar work that receiv level rate you post descript and refer peopl interest ibm team that effort differ organ project that earn that rate familiar project onboard shuttl flight softwar project thi softwar control space shuttl dynam phase orbit ultra high reliabl and extrem low error rate paper publish subject and collect refer articl ibm system journal late earli magic formula dedic and disciplin folk work put togeth process that find and remov error and correct base error that escap present dai overview process period interest folk washington can fax specif interest bret wingert wingert vnet ibm fax
sci.space	gamma rai burster articl rmh einn gap caltech edu kwp wag caltech edu kevin plaxco write articl apr stdvax gsfc nasa gov abdkw stdvax gsfc nasa gov david ward write that fundament differ instrument focus instrument that form imag posit error limit craft attitud and resolv power optic bats altogeth beast effect coincid counter each corner craft posit inform triangul differenti signal arriv time each detector thi not quit differenti arriv time techiniqu requir interplanetari baselin good posit differenti arriv detector differ nanosecond thi smaller bats microsecond time capabl bats ulyss and mar obsverv us for thi techniqu each bats detector not full sky field view sensit each detector decreas increas angl incid burst posit sky determin compar count rate detector pat
sci.space	command loss timer galileo updat articl apr bnr jcobban bnr jim cobban write read past fail safe mechan spacecraft had assum that command loss timer had that sort function find disturb oxymoron command that command behavior statu spacecraft not command semant doesn command loss timer simpli for command command simpli spacecraft command that drop bit into big bit bucket sky us timekeep provid millisecond delai command sequenc us thruster prep gro compton and verifi command link begin tdr event command and intellig fdc test galileo command loss timer david gsfc for gro data even wrong david
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai articl apr samba oit unc edu bruce scott launchpad unc edu bruce scott write boost hst carri shuttl not damag couldn hst brought back earth and repair job two shuttl flight requir ad alredi horrend expens don reboost exercis analog shuttl land launch term stress misalign etc reboost gentil push land launch two jolt put mechan stress instrument addition concern land load shuttl event laden land final thought into contamin problem instrument back earth cost two shuttl launch good reason avoid that shuttl launch hope cepi gang get job time david gsfc us work for frank cepollina
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai apr lambda msfc nasa gov bdai lambda msfc nasa gov brian dai write rdougla stsci edu rob dougla write land shuttl that big huge telescop back and you problem shuttl isn design land that weight payload hst that heavier spacelab hst lb that doesn includ cradl that cargo bai deploi spacelab st lb press kit point had unabl deploi for reason that had land cargo bai and thi plan for conting thi not problem for shuttl elimin ksc land site edward land spacelab cargo bai garym gari morri internet garym alsi teleus develop uunet alsi garym alsi group telesoft phone san diego usa fax
sci.space	interstellar note pluto charon talk and pluto mission sci space reader can skip paragraph yesterdai respons henri spencer question temperatur blackbodi interstellar space dust grain act blackbodi and dead wrong local interstellar dust expert bruce drain inform that dust grain aren good radiat warm ambient radiat field distant star can bring true blackbodi kelvin henri and misl time for anoth ism class new alan stern southwest research institut gave talk pluto charon binari system yesterdai gave overview accept system paramet volum ratio mass ratio lot and gave thought format pluto charon idea that lot and lot small planetesim outer solar system mass distribut power law kind time planetesim accret into larger bodi scatter solar system close encount jupit and saturn accret into ga giant uranu and neptun larg planetesim captur neptun call triton captur perhap collis smaller exist neptunian moon perhap close passag neptun atmospher mondo aerobrak note that two recent discov kuiper belt object and chiron and pholu mass and identifi thi group accret larger bodi triton and pluto charon pluto charon think form impact bodi hit proto pluto knock materi into ring pluto accret charon similar idea format earth moon good evid spectra that surfac pluto and charon pluto methan frost charon doesn can us evid for impact theori believ that pluto chiron size object remain rel stabl dynam zone neptun orbit and member thi popul found model note that such bodi will dark sinc surfac cover methan frost will photolyz into dark long chain hydrocarbon reason that pluto such high albedo that surfac warm perihelion sublim and atmospher freez thirti year form bright frost bodi farther hard hope haven made error transcript you howl mistak undoubtedli mine not top gun pluto fast flybi mission and that current plan us titan send probe rectilinear trajectori pluto speak loos time us proton slightli smaller veloc cost figur million for titan launch will two separ probe launch separ million for proton launch told stori soviet origin offer sell proton launch for million each forc increas price order allow marketplac tell you michael michael richmond thi heart that broke finger richmond astro princeton edu
sci.space	long term human mission articl apr rpslmc edu rek siss robert kay write contribut space program regular societi calcul teflon your egg don stick pan split hair read make atom bomb that teflon develop world war sealant need for tube uranium hexafluorid pass gradual enrich difuss corros and inert flexibl materi need for seal pacemak grandfath aliv alejo hausner hausner quci queensu richard rhode make atom bomb simon and
sci.space	command loss timer galileo updat articl apr bnr jcobban bnr jim cobban write read past fail safe mechan spacecraft had assum that command loss timer had that sort function find disturb oxymoron command that command behavior statu spacecraft not command thi terminolog come jet propuls laboratori noth jet propuls don you thi idea jpl histori date back caltech professor name von karman conduct experi rocket propuls group graduat student present site jet propuls laboratori armi start fund laboratori and had jurisdict until late nasa earli research conduct laboratori led applic jet assist takeoff rocket for aircraft thi explain jpl name work for wonder year mike jim cobban jcobban bnr phone bnr bnrgate bnr bcar jcobban fax
sci.space	galileo updat forward neal ausman galileo mission director galileo mission director statu report post launch april spacecraft april and delta differenc rang dor pass perform dss goldston madrid meter antenna and dss goldston canberra meter antenna initi result delta dor pass april unsuccess due ground station hardwar problem april successfulli perform april cruis scienc memori readout mro perform for magnetomet mag instrument analysi data receiv properli april spare power relai contact command close spacecraft store sequenc relai command close cd command data subsystem prior launch and command close preclud possibl jupit pp relai wire sourc intern electrostat charg iesd april cruis scienc memori readout mro perform for extrem ultraviolet spectromet euv dust detector dd and magnetomet mag instrument preliminari analysi data receiv properli period april april navig cycl perform thi navig cycl provid continu acquisit two doppler and rang data consecut pass spacecraft dss dss and dss april real time command test slew radio relai antenna rra prepar for mini sequenc slew test april rra slew approxim degre stow approxim degre preliminari analysi antenna slew degre predict rang rra command back approxim degre stow preliminari analysi antenna reach degre predict rang rra motor temperatur degre start activ and had increas degre complet verifi proper rra slew rra slew test mini sequenc uplink spacecraft for execut april success uplink delai action command dac will reposit stator initi pre test posit dac turn two noncoher twnc april prior start rra slew test mini sequenc april command reset command loss timer hour plan thi mission phase april rra slew test execut nomin spacecraft store sequenc control perform six rra slew start degre stow and degre back degre degre back degre degre and back degre slew predict rang rra motor temperatur degre start activ and had increas degre complet complet rra slew real time command reconfigur back pre test configur bu imbal measur not exhibit signific chang greater thi period measur read volt measur read volt measur consist model develop special anomali team spacecraft statu april follow system power margin watt spin configur dual spin spin rate sensor rpm star scanner spacecraft attitud approxim degre sun lag and degre earth lead downlink telemetri rate antenna bp code lga gener thermal control temperatur accept rang rpm tank pressur accept rang orbit scienc instrument power pw euv uv epd mag hic and dd probe rrh power temperatur accept rang cmd loss timer set hour time initi hour gd ground data system galileo gd test mgd command system cmd place april dss madrid meter antenna test and demonstr that command system interfac dsn deep space network group command processor assembl cpa test success and test for cmd schedul for dss goldston meter antenna april system engin monthli report semr ground system develop offic gsdo mmr conduct thursdai april review current project and institut dsn and moso system statu conduct cruis develop gsdo phase and deliveri schedul past month accomplish and potenti problem area discuss signific schedul signific problem report trajectori noon thursdai april galileo spacecraft trajectori statu follow distanc earth distanc sun heliocentr speed per hour distanc jupit round trip light time minut second special topic april total real time command transmit galileo sinc launch initi sequenc design process and initi real time command process past week real time command transmit initi sequenc design process and initi real time command process major command activ includ command perform initi rra slew test uplink rra slew test mini sequenc dac reposit stator and turn twnc reset command loss timer and execut rra slew test ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar and part veget
sci.space	gamma rai burster prb access digex pat write not real close slightli extra solar parallax measur burst correct parallax measur burst can whether slightli extra solar not mean that parallax can whether not real close phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man
sci.space	hyperknowledg articl apr judi edu wingo cspara decnet fedex msfc nasa gov write articl apr embl heidelberg tuparev embl heidelberg georg tuparev write announc hyperknowledg project for nextstep thi kinda subject sci space not want answer thi for inform peopl propos and larg exist and can purchas todai call labview nation instrument wonder object wonder object orient graphic program languag line delet afraid you mi direct nextstep oper system oppos packag read sinc steve job not market capabl bill gate info limit inferior window wide distribut that anoth flame ridden stori innov featur nextstep binari compat across platform you can copi your program sparc and run oppos bui version packag port graphic object orient design wsiwig postscript support parallel hetrogen process and base mach micro kernel you can make unix do even vm you feel packag come even close hope peopl will subscrib hyperknowledg project and nextstep final take lifetim mail ata etemadi blackett laboratori space and atmospher physic group imperi colleg scienc technolog and medicin internet arpanet earn bitnet ata spva ata mssl ucl span spva ata msslc ata
sci.space	gamma rai burster ethanb ptolemi astro washington edu ethan bradford write wampyr uow edu walker andrew john write come oort cloud expect star oort cloud that good point perhap nearbi star oort cloud alpha centauri multipl star system you wouldn expect oort cloud that proxima problem oort cloud distanc and togeth point sourc even solar system oort cloud unstabl geolog time and replentish short period comet kupier belt misrememb read heard nearest singl star that like planetari system perform broad band survei nearbi star detect planet won whether not singl star planet and like find close heck neutron star can planet can planet that discoveri disconfirm phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man
sci.space	gamma rai burster posit stuff belgarath vax mankato msu edu write advisor anoth classmat mine and talk dai put detector pluto satellit realiz that satellit alon carri pound bats detector lead shield protect and alon weigh pound decid jeremi you talk singl bats compon thing you propos bats probe launch two ion drive planetari trajectori your resolut increac space apart you cheapli eject solar system flybi and patienc thing start slow slowli and resolut phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man
sci.space	two line orbit element set space shuttl current orbit element norad two line element set carri celesti bb and updat daili document and track softwar thi system servic satellit user commun current element for current shuttl mission provid below celesti bb access hour dai bp data bit stop bit pariti element set updat daili shuttl element and document and softwar anonym ftp archiv afit mil directori pub space st kelso assist professor space oper tkelso afit mil air forc institut technolog
sci.space	not give billion year long moon resid origin wat scicom alphacdc dai wat scicom alphacdc apr wat scicom alphacdc wrote wac wat scicom alphacdc bruce watson kralizec wac apollo program cost billion time wac dollar worth wac offer assum inflat sinc that worth reckon moon mission todai cost that factor ten reduct cost reduc that number futher shortcut russian rocket asum get built delta clipper achiv goal ralph gold origin vulcan world sydnei australia
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai feasabl retriev hst for repair and relaunch caution specul mode engag anoth consider that hasn mention expect that retriev hst involv damag consider order return cradl cargo bai deploi item antenna and solar arai not retract into fulli stow posit even hand remov astronaut advantag that thi yield that put panel that don ring due thermal cycl stress expect that discuss land load hst optic structur big issu that reentri load can moveabl optic compon even cage assum that cage for launch michael corvin zwork starfight den mmc martin marietta astronaut view not martin marietta
sci.space	long term space voyang and effect newsgroup articl hsc usc edu khayash hsc usc edu ken hayashida write item busi establish import space life scienc scheme humankind mean compar footbal and basebal averag joe schmoe doesn interest even curiou spaceflight disagre averag joe interest curiou spaceflight see elitist activ not particip can contribut comprehens document can releas gener public world document scientif analyz technic aspect long term human habit space gener public interest technic detail long term space habit idea studi releas scientist and engin will us you want gener public document you gener public that long term space explor program succe basic learn engin microworld spacecraft care analys engin chemic biolog and medic factor will good ecosystem creat facilit human life long durat flight work control ecolog life support system engin microworld isn problem problem understand basic chemic biolog and medic factor engin effici for exampl produc food plant and anim food synthesi not advanc orbit farm that not effici us technolog reduc mass and grow plant hydropon dirt thi engin come technolog bring basic question that don answer dirt can grow tomato and lettuc besid each hydropon turn that you can that lettuc growth stunt grown hydropon solut tomato you plant similar interact thi mean basic appli scientif research and that technolog that develop find interact togeth that post opinion object method analyz accept scientif literatur for technolog can appli long durat spaceflight you literatur search lot inform pick specif area long term habit thi make net can method analyz technolog such detail literatur search interest ourselv space advoc and import exist space program essenc divid space life scienc issu into technic problem solv technolog thi databas accept solut problem form basi detail discuss involv peopl bionet isunet and sourc unbeliev outpour interest thi net develop detail data base literatur search accomplish that can real analysi data base for futur engin that respons ken you tim
sci.space	abyss breath fluid forev war favorit scifi book had passag devot breath fluid idea protect peopl high acceler requir for interstellar travel emers passeng dry clean fluid satur oxygen plenti imagin idea thi book recommend won hugo and nebula award regard ata
sci.space	altern heavi element creation univers biolog alchemi anoth form cold fusion altern heavi element creation univers simpl experi can demonstr prove fact biolog transmut reaction etc describ book biolog transmut loui kervran edit and chapter book secret life plant peter tompkin and christoph bird obtain good sampl plant seed kind kind work that divid sampl into two group equal weight and number sprout group distil water filter paper for week separ inciner group weigh residu each group residu sprout group will weigh percent group analyz quantit residu each group for miner content miner atom sprout group transmut into heavier miner element fuse atom oxygen hydrogen carbon nitrogen etc biolog transmut occur routin even bodi ingest sourc organ silicon silicon carbon such horsetail extract radish can speed heal broken bone reaction faster ingest calcium directli miner deposit ground form micro organ fuse togeth atom silicon carbon nitrogen oxygen hydrogen etc two reaction micro organ stone sick statu build brick etc reaction catalys hot iron creat carbon monoxid poison hazard for welder oper and peopl woodstov even properli seal bacteria can even neutral radioact thing and happen spite accept law physic includ law that atom fusion requir extrem high temperatur and pressur biolog transmut and applic chemistri physic biologi ecolog medicin nutrit agrigultur geologi edit loui kervran activ member york academi scienc page illustr swan hous publish box binghamton secret life plant peter tompkin and christoph bird page harper row york chapter and radion entir book fascin for inform answer your question etc consult cite sourc two book alter reproduct and dissemin thi import inform encourag robert mcelwain physic and astronomi
sci.space	philosophi quest boldli number philosoph question that encount life form space explor determin captur imprison and discect encount civil that suffer economicli will expend resourc earth deseas that deadli and undetect will ensur that deadli deseas aren brought back that deseas don destroi life dai bobo
sci.space	commerci moon daimi aau han erik martino hansen write coca cola logo moon easi target billion peopl arthur clark ahead you thi wrote short stori titl describ exactli your propos tom reilli depart geologi arizona state univers
sci.space	singl launch space station andi cohen cohen ssdgwy mdc write singl launch core station concept shuttl extern tank and solid rocket booster us launch station into orbit shuttl main engin mount tail station modul for launch and jettison separ jettison ssme not hold and shuttl bring us spare karl sold soul uncl sam mark for resal
sci.space	nasa budget and st cost fraction nasa workforc civil servant oppos contractor and rule reduct work forc for civil servant shuttl program termin payrol reduc and steinn sigurdsson two shoot star last night lick observatori wish satellit steinli lick ucsc edu wrong space hardwar standard disclaim you care
sci.space	planet habit articl jpg apr holli bnr jpg bnr jonathan gibbon write thought make planet habit for human make asumpt that life and similar atmospher evolv rang physic aspect planet question physic aspect simpli disallow earth condit temperatur rang temp pure depend dist sun and sun temperatur atmospher presur noth human toler planetari mass graviti surfac import can human bodi dai dai mass effect atmospher think planet and time mass earth suppos densiti import climat etc not concern axial tilt etc etc factor and relat anoth jonathan jonathan interest question whether not moon support atmospher interest know geologi environment scienc friend for human toler exampl human endur term altitud low atmospher pressur and lower oxygen partial pressur opinion scale everest oxygen assist thi accomplish team mountain train high altitud for quit awhil month and flown helicopt that train altitud equival altitud mount everest began ascent planet highest peak oxygen tank thi quit feat physiolog endur you feet and exert ourselv pass altitud sick and even die cerebr edema thi limit low pressur high pressur situat limit durat time take slowli acclim higher pressur skin diver alot high pressur situat and you safe make deep dive get bend militari experi put peopl atmospher pressur not high limit paper aren front point nitrogen air becom toxic bodi and you start act idiot diver call thi nitrogen narcosi afflict can danger and irrat thing take dive mask and oxygen tank order talk fish feet water hope dive folk can elabor thi matter not dive expert mar cannot support human life pressur atmospher thin earth atmospher densiti addit mar atmospher carbon dioxid basic you pressur suit you die low pressur interest huh ken khayash hsc usc edu
sci.space	rocket type week program american space industri and nasa that develop rocket that us ion nuclear particl for propols govern didn give billion for develop full scale rocket thi program not heard particl propols system glen balmer
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai articl apr den mmc zwork starfight den mmc michael corvin write feasabl retriev hst for repair and relaunch caution specul mode engag anoth consider that hasn mention expect that retriev hst involv damag consider order return cradl cargo bai deploi item antenna and solar arai not retract into fulli stow posit even hand remov astronaut advantag that thi yield that put panel that don ring due thermal cycl stress expect that discuss land load hst optic structur big issu that reentri load can moveabl optic compon even cage assum that cage for launch nice hst program talk specul that understand frank six marshal space flight center insrmount problem bring hst back design that begin understand that solar arrai will item replac thi mission origin built brit aerospac and work gui msfc that charg hst power system not spoken long time hst denni univers alabama huntsvil
sci.space	jpl info summari solar system glanc thi file and text and imag file jpl mission jpl info public access comput site reachabl internet anonym ftp pubinfo jpl nasa gov dialup modem bit per second paramet solar system glanc inform summari pm jpl june jpl nasa nation aeronaut and space administr jet propuls laboratori california institu technolog pasadena california for print copi thi public contact public mail offic nasa center your geograph region introduct small world gaze cosmic ocean for untold thousand year ancient astronom observ point light that appear move star call object planet mean wander and name roman deiti jupit king god mar god war mercuri messeng god venu god love and beauti and saturn father jupit and god agricultur stargaz observ comet sparkl tail and meteor shoot star appar fall sky scienc flourish european renaiss fundament physic law govern planetari motion discov and orbit planet sun calcul centuri astronom point devic call telescop heaven and made startl discoveri year sinc amount golden ag solar system explor advanc rocketri world war enabl machin break grip earth graviti and travel moon and planet unit state autom spacecraft human crew expedit explor moon autom machin orbit and land venu and mar explor sun environ observ comet and made close rang survei fly past mercuri jupit saturn uranu and neptun travel brought quantum leap knowledg and understand solar system electron sight and sens autom spacecraft color and complexion world that for centuri appear earth bound ey fuzzi disk indistinct point light and dozen previous unknown object discov futur historian will like view pioneer flight solar system remark achiev centuri autom spacecraft nation aeronaut and space administr nasa autom spacecraft for solar system explor come shape and size design fulfil separ and specif mission object craft share common each spacecraft consist scientif instrument select for mission support basic subsystem for electr power trajectori and orient control for process data and commun earth electr power requir oper spacecraft instrument and system nasa solar energi arrai photovolta cell and small nuclear gener power solar system mission recharg batteri emploi for backup and supplement power imagin that spacecraft successfulli journei million mile space fly time planet camera and sens instrument point wrong speed past target prevent such mishap subsystem small thruster us control spacecraft thruster link devic that maintain constant gaze select star earth earli seafar us star navig ocean spacecraft us star maintain bear space subsystem lock fix point refer flight control can spacecraft scientif instrument point target bodi and craft commun antenna point earth thruster can us fine tune flight path and speed spacecraft ensur that target bodi encount plan distanc and proper trajectori and nasa spacecraft dispatch studi moon and solar environ scan planet earth mercuri venu and mar world and terrestri planet share solid rock composit for earli planetari reconnaiss mission nasa emploi highli success seri spacecraft call marin flight help shape plan mission and marin mission conduct survei planetari neighbor space marin us solar panel primari power sourc and final version spacecraft had two wing cover photovolta cell marin equip solar panel extend octagon bodi marin rang marin venu spacecraft weigh kilogram pound marin mar orbit weigh kilogram pound basic design remain quit similar program marin venu spacecraft for exampl had origin backup for marin mar flybi marin spacecraft venu and mercuri us compon left marin mar orbit program nasa launch pioneer jupit spacecraft interest shift outer planet jupit saturn uranu and neptun giant ball dens ga quit terrestri world had survei nasa spacecraft two pioneer and two voyag tour outer region solar system distanc involv travel anywher month year reach destin bar faster spacecraft will eventu becom human artifact journei distant star sun light becom faint outer solar system travel not us 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ulyss will fly sun polar region and and will perform wide rang studi onboard scientif instrument fortun that sun exactli almost life almost never develop earth mercuri obtain close view mercuri primari object marin spacecraft launch novemb kennedi space center florida journei month includ flybi venu spacecraft pass kilomet mile solar system innermost planet march marin mercuri even telescop view earth show mercuri indistinct object lack surfac detail planet close sun that lost solar glare planet visibl earth horizon sunset dawn obscur haze and dust atmospher radar telescop gave hint mercuri surfac condit prior voyag marin photograph marin radio back earth reveal ancient heavili crater surfac close resembl moon pictur show huge cliff crisscross planet appar creat mercuri interior cool and shrank buckl planet crust cliff high kilomet mile and long kilomet mile instrument marin discov that mercuri weak magnet field and trace atmospher trillionth densiti earth atmospher and compos chiefli 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carbon dioxid nitrogen and oxygen present small percentag martian air contain water air even thi small amount can condens form cloud that ride high atmospher swirl slope tower volcano local patch earli morn fog can form vallei evid that past denser martian atmospher allow water flow planet physic featur close resembl shorelin gorg riverb and island suggest that great river onc mark planet mar two moon phobo and deimo small and irregularli shape and possess ancient crater surfac moon origin asteroid that ventur close mar and captur graviti vike orbit and lander exceed larg margin design lifetim and dai fail vike orbit stop oper juli leak deplet attitud control ga vike lander oper april shut batteri degener vike orbit quit august last attitud control ga us vike lander ceas function novemb despit inconclus result vike biologi experi mar planet earth nasa mar observ spacecraft launch septemb will expand knowledg martian environ and lead human explor red planet asteroid solar system larg number rocki and metal object that orbit sun small consid full fledg planet object asteroid minor planet not found band belt orbit mar and jupit orbit that cross earth path and evid that earth hit asteroid past erod preserv exampl barring meteor crater winslow arizona asteroid materi left format solar system theori suggest that remain planet that destroi massiv collis long ago like asteroid materi that never coalesc into planet fact estim total mass asteroid gather into singl object object kilomet mile across half diamet moon thousand asteroid identifi earth estim that bright eventu photograph earth base telescop understand asteroid come examin piec space debri that fall surfac earth asteroid that collis earth call meteoroid meteoroid strike atmospher high veloc friction thi chunk space matter inciner streak light meteor meteoroid not burn complet left strike earth surfac and call meteorit place for meteorit ic cap antarctica meteorit examin percent compos silic stone and percent 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region solar system decemb return close imag jupit fly kilomet mile planet band cloud top pioneer year voyag and launch summer and return spectacular photograph jupit and famili satellit flybi travel found jupit whirl ball liquid hydrogen and helium top color atmospher compos gaseou hydrogen and helium ammonia ic crystal form white jovian cloud sulfur compound and perhap phosphoru produc brown and orang hue that character jupit atmospher like that methan ammonia water and gase react form organ molecul region planet frigid cloud top and warmer hydrogen ocean ly below jupit atmospher dynam organ compound exist short live great red spot observ for centuri telescop earth thi hurrican storm jupit atmospher twice size planet high pressur region great red spot spin direct opposit that low pressur storm jupit surround swirl current that rotat spot and sometim consum great red spot million year spacecraft detect lightn jupit upper atmospher and observ auror emiss similar earth northern light jovian polar region voyag return imag faint narrow ring encircl jupit largest solar system planet jupit rotat dizzi pace onc hour minut second massiv planet take almost earth year complet journei sun moon jupit miniatur solar system mission jupit galileo project six year cruis that take galileo orbit onc past venu twice past earth and moon and onc past two asteroid spacecraft will drop atmospher probe into jupit cloud layer and relai data back earth galileo orbit will spend two year circl planet and fly close jupit larg moon explor detail two pioneer and two voyag reveal galilean satellit galileo galilei aim telescop jupit and spot point light orbit planet for time human had moon anoth world honor discover bodi becom galilean satellit moon galileo happili trade thi honor for dazzl photograph return voyag spacecraft flew past planet size satellit remark find voyag mission presenc activ volcano galilean moon volcan erupt had never observ world earth voyag camera identifi activ volcano 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hydrogen cyanid compound build block amino acid condit similar atmospher condit primev earth and billion year ago titan atmospher temperatur believ low permit progress thi stage organ chemistri explor saturn will continu cassini mission cassini spacecraft will orbit planet and will deploi probe call huygen will drop into titan atmospher and fall surfac cassini will us probe radar peer titan cloud and will spend year examin saturnian system uranu januari and half year visit saturn voyag complet close survei uranian system flybi reveal inform uranu and retinu ici moon had glean ground observ sinc planet discoveri two centuri ago english astronom william herschel uranu largest planet oddbal solar system unlik planet except pluto thi giant li tip side north and south pole altern face sun year swing solar system voyag flybi south pole face sun uranu knock earth size object collid earli life solar system voyag found that uranu magnet field not follow usual north south axi found planet field 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edmond not live comet can promin sky pass compar close earth recent appear hallei comet pass closer million kilomet million mile world comet visibl nake ey for viewer southern hemispher not spectacular comet bright rare occas that visibl daytim histor comet sight interpret bad omen and artist render dagger sky comet rendezv asteroid flybi craf spacecraft will becom travel fly close comet nucleu and remain proxim approach sun craf will observ nucleu becom activ grow sunlight and begin lighter element boil and form coma and tail spacecraft flown comet high speed nasa intern cometari explor armada spacecraft two japanes two soviet and giotto spacecraft european space agenc flew hallei comet conclus despit effort peer across vast distanc space obscur atmospher scientist past had bodi studi close earth sinc spaceflight solar system lift veil neighbor space learn solar system and member had previou thousand year autom spacecraft travel moon and planet world pluto observ moon larg small planet flown comet and sampl solar environ astronomi book includ detail pictur bodi that smudg largest telescop for gener lucki aliv strang and beauti place and object knowledg gain journei solar system redefin tradit earth scienc geologi and meteorolog and spawn disciplin call compar planetolog studi geologi planet moon asteroid and comet and compar differ and similar learn origin and histori bodi and solar system gain insight into earth complex weather system weather shape world and investig sun activ and influenc solar system can understand climat condit and process earth will continu learn and benefit autom spacecraft explor neighborhood space current mission map venu fly world and will reach sun and jupit complex trajectori adjust futur mission plan for mar saturn comet and asteroid belt can forward time human will onc set foot alien world astronaut not back moon sinc decemb plan formul for return lunar landscap and for human explor mar and even establish martian outpost dai take 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sci.space	privat support explor russian america commerici support for explor exampl baranov explor and util alaska russian america includ part washington state oregon and california doen privat fund royal government fund time michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	gamma rai burster feel compel complain statement that recent observ rule merg neutron star sourc gamma rai burst utterli fals even popular make bats press releas idea statement follow you smack two neutron star togeth neutron star gobbl black hole lot energi releas for gamma rai burst cosmolog distanc reason continu thi energi releas below lot matter radiat becom thermal and you expect roughli blackbodi spectrum observ spectra strongli thermal thi model wrong fault li imagin person prove model wrong model that initi energi releas not gamma rai burst firebal energi and matter that creat spew relativist flow thi slam into surround medium strong flux thermal gamma rai result carri substanti fraction initi total energi thi not idea seri paper martin ree peter meszaro for miss accent and worker not complet model sum propos distanc scale altern propos for creat initi firebal call fail supernova scenario stan wooslei massiv star end life collaps black hole stellar core rotat part infal matter will temporarili halt support centrifug forc and form dens neutron toru that accret black hole thi beast spew jet rotat axi constitut relativist flow rate such event higher that neutron star merger flux strongli beam that net rate burst observ earth stai two scenario energi releas per event can lot fail supernova scenario anoth note that distanc scale ultim resolv classic astronom method such find counterpart burst wavelength find definit signatur class object distribut posit and flux theorist histor not successful find distanc object prove that object can work and and ralph wijer
sci.space	long term human mission jgladu bcm tmc edu grungi write ward pashosh wisdom weizmann ward paul wrote calcul teflon your egg don stick pan pacemak grandfath aliv don tout contribut good idea world war produc benefici spinoff radar jet aeroplan rocket technolog don argu that world war and good thing you want peopl back space program good thing and disagre tout agre that space program inher good thing peopl todai care will cost and for and care whether simpli worthwhil and societi becom increasingli gear short term you read couldn care week centuri want show for expenditur and want extent thi case stoop level you assum that gener public can handl truth and base thi assumpt for fluff argument can understand good argument come and ask don you develop spinoff can spinoff program militari good argument for space develop reli side effect not ignor spinoff simpli that gener public deserv credit you give btw don forget velcro and you us spinoff you make darn you teflon sinc nasa understand velcro conceptu french doctor walk wood and troubl burr stick your cloth velcro hike equip earli mid sixti good evid that not todai nasa josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu find make attribut hannib
sci.space	satellit pluto mission wierd warn plan put satellit each planet solar system watch question spout opinion mission unman pluto stai orbit and record thing and and pluto strang idea not scan not pluto solar system object and aaroundpluto seti and galaxi solar system worri michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai articl nhg rpi edu strider clotho acm rpi edu greg moor write herni point you develop thruster lighter you lift mass thruster orbit and thruster lift weight into higher orbit and you room payload bai improv boost orbit hst signific and that mean you can carri edo pack and consum shuttl mission can long fix arrai tilt motor and god wear hst month pat
sci.space	gamma rai burster energet articl rou ginn gap caltech edu palmer cco caltech edu david palmer write prb access digex pat write articl apr vax mankato msu edu belgarath vax mankato msu edu write energet for close for coron model found erg sec and lastli for cosmolog model that you call moder energet suggest put that energi second jeremi big capacitor real big capacitor suggest specif lightn strike cloud interstellar medium big lightn rod you for protect and you jupit ground plane pat
sci.space	internet resourc articl cmu edu stk vax stockton edu write take entitl explor scienc internet for final project find compendium internet resourc deal scienc relat topic chose astronomi wonder knew interest resourc internet that provid inform astronomi space nasa that you world wide web thi global hypertext hypermedia network run internet nice thing that understand and incorpor virtual system us wai gopher ftp archi etc quit easi add exist resourc web you explor suggest get xmosaic program written ncsa window web browser and pretti slick can understand and cope text gif jpeg mpeg audio etc browser includ text mode browser for peopl stuck text termin familliar mosaic page world wide web virtual librari subject catalogu thi document menu mosaic browser url http info cern hypertext datasourc bysubject overview html subject space scienc thi point page construct nasa jpl ftp archiv volunt thi page and fact replac sort inform pointer glean sci space faq overwork subject catalogu maintain switch space scienc pointer visibl post short note thi happen frederick roeber cern european center for nuclear research mail roeber cern roeber caltech edu work mail cern ppe geneva switzerland home babi can you pizza joint tonight back lab and split atom ayn rand romantic
sci.space	internet resourc articl cmu edu stk vax stockton edu write take entitl explor scienc internet for final project find compendium internet resourc deal scienc relat topic chose astronomi wonder knew interest resourc internet that provid inform astronomi space nasa that robert mcelwain authorit sourc scientif data internet can reach alt fan elwain spiro spiro triantafyllopoulo kocrsv delcoelect softwar technolog delco electron hugh electron kokomo post armm
sci.space	statement nasa administr daniel thi man clark nasa administr god save nasa shuttl record unriv shuttl like shuttl that herm and boron effect cancel offici spend time explain european and asian partner expect paymast chang mind major intern project everytim administr take offic major impact thi european and asian japanes industri appreci thi affect american industri talk space stattion freedom denni newport email devdjn space alcbel alcatel bell telephon berkenrodelei phone hoboken belgium
sci.space	philosophi quest boldli articl apr hemlock crai bobo thejest crai bob kierski write number philosoph question that encount life form space explor determin captur imprison and discect analog magazin articl similar subject quit year ago question alien spacecraft land washington proper organ deal state depart alien ambassador defens depart alien invad immigr and natur servic illeg alien depart interior human speci etc question percept alien not intrins natur bibliographi for articl cite philosoph paper name and author sadli forget author italian constitut legal and moral person entitl right accord person paper quit interest recal encount civil that suffer economicli will expend resourc earth you care answer human track record help poor underpriveleg cultur underpriveleg mean not priveleg terribl usual result destruct radic reorgan cultur thi not wrong that bet deseas that deadli and undetect will ensur that deadli deseas aren brought back that deseas don destroi life dai bobo doug loss loss huski bloomu edu
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai articl access digex net prb access digex net pat write articl nhg rpi edu strider clotho acm rpi edu greg moor write herni point you develop thruster lighter you lift mass thruster orbit and thruster lift weight into higher orbit and you room payload bai improv boost orbit hst signific not understand you improv signific and thi carri equip servic mission impli poster you boost orbit thi mission you you clarifi for net and that mean you can carri edo pack and consum shuttl mission can long fix arrai tilt motor and god wear heard motor fine two set electron that control motor that fix motor and electron separ piec hardwar expect correct wrong thi hst month pat
sci.space	internet resourc articl cmu edu stk vax stockton edu write take entitl explor scienc internet for final project find compendium internet resourc deal scienc relat topic chose astronomi wonder knew interest resourc internet that provid inform astronomi space nasa that keith malinowski stk vax stockton edu box stockton state colleg pomona jersei keyword search gopher veronica access world wide web server finger yanoff csd csd uwm edu for list internet resourc includ site space specif inform ron baalk will told you jpl etc regard ata mail ata etemadi blackett laboratori space and atmospher physic group imperi colleg scienc technolog and medicin princ consort road london england internet arpanet earn bitnet ata spva ata mssl ucl span spva ata msslc ata usenet ata spva nsfnet relai
sci.space	satellit pluto mission articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write wierd warn weird warn plan put satellit each planet solar system watch question spout opinion watch for mission unman pluto stai orbit and record thing and and pluto strang idea not ten hundr million dollar cost record thing and prefer man mission scan not pluto solar system object and aaroundpluto seti and galaxi solar system worri pretti good platform scan solar system seti and galaxi solar system worri care guess shag rob unverzagt shag aerospac aero org tuesdai soylent green dai unverzagt courier aero org
sci.space	true globe make articl mju zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write articl bill xpresso bill xpresso bill vanc write for quit that earth pear shape globular spheric make globe that accur actual shape landmass configur long lat line etc don you differ sphere greatli exagger even equatori bulg part you never notic error globe and deviat spheric shape smaller svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri rememb physic prof talk scale cue ball earth size significantli spheric that earth terri figurel boe defens space group email tff plato boe box mail stop phone fax seattl terri figurel boe defens space group email tff plato boe box mail stop phone fax seattl
sci.space	govern and technolgi invest peopl critic big govern and project rare consist view role govern scienc and technolog basic govern into role support research privat industri find expens long term histor thi role for gov forc social countri order for industri compet govern subsid foreign competitor gov role subis big ticket long lead republican abhor necess for govern involv technolog thi that market forc drive technolog and world place for world implement thi concept simultan countri subsid not subsid thi sound lot farm subsidi argument gatt negoti doesn thi role govern subsidi antithet cost effect gener idea spend monei technolog and therebi maintain and promot technolog cultur despit forc busi world dread quarterli earn report erod abil industri invest technolog and sinc goal spend monei make sens save monei spend monei wise disagre that wisdom interest note that tool for cost control industri todai deriv govern project gantt chart and modern schedul softwar come dod project and contractor construct industri tool core busi larg construct project tool ken jenk nasa jsc space shuttl program offic kjenk gothamc jsc nasa gov scientist can discov star cannot make engin that gordon glegg american engin
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai articl zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write thing design retriev pinch thi dictat odd design for solar arrai sinc had retract extend and indirectli contribut arrai flap problem not design solar arrai detach shuttl retunr hst bother arrai fit quick releas space walk us second canadarm remov arrai pat
sci.space	planet habit articl rpt hsc usc edu khayash hsc usc edu ken hayashida write for human toler exampl human endur term altitud low atmospher pressur and lower oxygen partial pressur opinion scale everest oxygen assist thi quit feat physiolog endur extrem limit humanli mount everest fairli low latitud slight equatori bulg atmospher induc earth rotat circul pattern atmospher air cool pole and descend flow back equat warm and rise and thi help make everest oxygen feasibl feasibl mind you gui report hallucin and indic oxygen starvat and incur perman brain damag svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai articl apr stsci edu hathawai stsci edu write articl access digex net prb access digex net pat write articl nhg rpi edu strider clotho acm rpi edu greg moor write herni point you develop thruster lighter you lift mass thruster orbit and thruster lift weight into higher orbit and you room payload bai improv boost orbit hst signific not understand you improv signific and thi carri equip servic mission impli poster you boost orbit thi mission you you clarifi for net hst sevic mission list dai list dai kick number spacewalk simul that not space walk boost hst orbit sit mile don exact orbit number hst flown highest shuttl orbit shuttl can cari thing call edo pallet extend durat orbit pallet lox for fuel cell and rc gear and canist for life support breather nitrogen limit space walk function suit suppli mass and orbit durat order perform boost hst om engin will fire for long period shuttl heavi thing hst isn light amount om fuel need fly substanti small booster carri and us boost hst will weigh significantli om fuel requir boost hst and shuttl for orbit chang understand mass margin hst mission tight can even carri extra suit mmu us small tug bet wild guess that save amss margin carri edo pallet extra suit consum part for flaki fg sensor part for balki solar electron and for doubl magnum champagn hst even into sort medium orbit reason want high orbit antenna point and longer drag life and that mean you can carri edo pack and consum shuttl mission can long fix arrai tilt motor and god wear heard motor fine two set electron that control motor that fix motor and electron separ piec hardwar expect correct wrong thi problem tilt arrai big constraint hst op pat
sci.space	gamma rai burster articl apr judi edu wingo cspara decnet fedex msfc nasa gov write articl rlrpv access digex net prb access digex pat write thi big problem creat area physic specul think folk pat pat for onc agre you and your idea that you had gamma rai signatur warp transit interstellar spacecraft denni agre lot don post agre and disagre lot notic pat
sci.space	hst antenna haven mention thi hubbl telescop deploi high gain antenna not move across full rang motion suspect that had snag cabl oper procedur modifi work problem and problem overshadow hga problem plan affect hga hst repair mission determin limit rang motion affect hga limit capabl full rang motion steve derri derri larc nasa gov
sci.space	rocket type articl rpv wraith uow edu wraith uow edu glen justin balmer write that develop rocket that us ion nuclear particl for propols govern didn give billion for develop guess thi garbl report nerva effort develop solid core fission rocket mundan type nuclear rocket that advanc propuls project that larg scale like attract new attent number thing descript vagu put small bet nerva svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	deploy space dock articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write not build inflat space dock you larg scale satellit servic pressur hangar make consider sens question whether larg scale satellit servic futur point justifi develop such thing inflat dock ga not oxygen neeed flamebl damag satellit and abel maintain heat you almost us air that you pressur safeti consider strongli suggest make breathabl even servic crew oxygen mask for normal breath avoid need ventil system nice hangar atmospher breathabl pinch make mask function critic svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	satellit pluto mission articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write plan put satellit each planet solar system watch point long term monitor thing particl and field not mention atmospher phenomena plan establish sort monitor network precis plan period thi larg part problem thi context not surpris that unexcit mission thi short shrift budget time closest approach sort long term planetari monitor mission occasion chanc piggyback thi top flashier mission galileo cassini mission unman pluto stai orbit and record thing and and pluto that happen pluto that worth monitor and prohibit difficult mission fly propuls technolog planetari commun firmli resist guinea pig for combin arriv pluto reason amount time and kill cruis veloc settl into orbit can current that vintag propuls scan not pluto solar system object and aaroundpluto seti and galaxi solar system worri thi can earth thing that can can voyag spacecraft that not constrain enter orbit planet svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai pat prb access digex net wrote limit space walk function suit suppli mass and orbit durat order perform boost hst om engin will fire for long period shuttl heavi thing hst isn light amount om fuel need fly substanti small booster carri and us boost hst will weigh significantli om fuel requir boost hst and shuttl for orbit chang understand mass margin hst mission tight can even carri extra suit mmu pat haven specif hst repair mission can mass margin tight carri replac compon wfpc costar gyro solar panel and sort tool eva equip and om fuel and consum can thi lighter origin hst deploy mission achiev highest altitud for shuttl mission date and hst lower orbit limit factor crew fatigu and mission complex steve derri derri larc nasa gov
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai articl apr stsci edu hathawai stsci edu write impli poster you boost orbit thi mission you don desir hst satellit low earth orbit gradual lose altitud due air drag deploi highest orbit shuttl reach for that reason occasion reboost will eventu reenter propuls system thi excel opportun that not anoth visit for year svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	temperatur dark sky articl apr princeton edu richmond spiff princeton edu stupend man write that case point that interstellar dust and molecul provid instanc thing that not blackbodi observ includ ira and cobe determin that interstellar dust grain temperatur can rang interstellar grain not close blackbodi larg grain size order micron and absorb visibl light fair effici temperatur below thermal emiss will micron radiat effici poor small antenna cannot easili radiat long wavelength grain heat order radiat energi absorb ira observ had maximum wavelength micron grain colder will radiat primarili longer wavelength and ira rel insensit extrem limit grain cold will almost undetect conceiv observ wors ira color temperatur heavili contamin popul small grain grain perhap atom and hit singl photon heat temperatur hundr cool quickli and stai cold for radiat characterist temperatur hundr even small popul grain can dramat rais observ averag temperatur model for local infrar emiss consist cobe data compon repres scatter radiat zodiac dust color temperatur thermal emiss zodiac dust and thermal emiss galact dust eclipt pole emiss dilut factor and two roughli doubl eclipt plane find thermal equilibrium temperatur add dilut factor time fourth power temperatur for compon fourth root tabl below starlight come allen number that stellar emiss sky equival mag star color doubt care work person suggest starlight had dilut factor rememb wrong cook that case event energi densiti starlight come that microwav background and that correct dilut temp microwav background galact dust zodiac dust emiss zodiac dust scatter starlight fourth root solar system result find result surpris import zodiac dust don mistak steve willner phone bitnet willner cfa cambridg usa internet willner cfa harvard edu member leagu for program freedom contact lpf uunet net
sci.space	vandal sky articl agi mju new cso uiuc edu jbh uxa cso uiuc edu josh hopkin write wonder vandal proper word us thi situat dictionari defin vandal will malici destructuion public privat properti beauti artisitc agre sky beauti not that public privat properti public belong vandal peopl power compani malici wast light can sell you your citi your state unshield light that wast percent light make monei never mind that your monei wast never mind that taxpap monei wast never mind that sky ruin bob bung greed great gordon grekko
sci.space	moon imag weather sat imag imag moon caught weather satellit imag earth appear and visual imag earth gif imag can load vmd cso uiuc edu and name gif and gif for and visual imag pretti cool pictur satur visual imag detail moon viewabl moon not imag georg turner turner bigbang astro indiana edu
sci.space	sarsat for track payload deploi tether interest construct reentri vehicl deploi tether attach orbit platform thi will follow succes deploy kilomet tether march flight sed small expend deploy system releas instrument payload that reenter earth atmospher and burn west coast mexico thi time want make payload that can recov want build shelf technolog thi quickli and inexpens want track payload deploi parachut idea put kind radio beacon that us sarsat search and rescu satellit turn open parachut and aid track beacon marin industri epirb emerg posit indic radio beacon rug surviv ship wreck and cheap question world author regul us sarsat beacon multipl authorit militari and civilian regul us sarsat signal can us for kind situat long lead time warn relev author strictli reserv for life threaten emerg coverag sarsat leo intermitt coverag fix posit earth geosynchron orbit industri organ govern us and manufactur transpond post repli send mail fennel thanak you for assist you can provid mike fennel
sci.space	hst servic mission articl rrhlo ajb access digex net prb access digex net pat write space walk boost hst orbit sit mile that idea come new ben
sci.space	moon imag weather sat imag articl usenet uc indiana edu turner bigbang astro indiana edu georg turner write imag moon caught weather satellit imag earth appear and visual imag earth gif imag can load vmd cso uiuc edu and name gif and gif for and visual imag pretti cool pictur satur visual imag detail moon viewabl midsumm you can relfect sun ocean solar eclis you can shadow sun move across cloud
sci.space	space station redesign jsc altern articl ralibinnc cbl umd edu mike starburst umd edu michael santangelo write dbm lerc nasa gov david mckissock write text option and delet option singl core launch station thi jsc lead option basic you diamet cylind that long slap space shuttl main engin backsid put nose cone top attach regular shuttl extern tank and regular set solid rocket motor and launch can kei featur complet end end ground integr and checkout tangenti mount fix solar panel bodi mount radiat add protect micrometeroid orbit debri centerlin dock port each end berth port singl pressur volum approxim cubic feet twice volum skylab floor center passagewai floor housekeep power strang attract for thi idea live modular home alter mind thing that scare part simpli strap ssme and nosecon and launch thi vision terribl wrong launch result complet loss modular space station not peic case stage orbit construct thi option origin phase studi earli good stuff dave michelson davem ubc univers british columbia
sci.space	abyss breath fluid apr ata spva ata etemadi write forev war favorit scifi book had passag devot breath fluid idea protect peopl high acceler requir for interstellar travel emers passeng dry clean fluid satur oxygen plenti imagin idea thi book recommend won hugo and nebula award and read conjunct heinlein starship trooper two book radic viewpoint basic premis even heard english class built thi insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
sci.space	vandal sky new cso uiuc edu gfk uxa cso uiuc edu georg krumin write typic that right minor extinguish major matter ridicul and don you mean typic that minor can obstruct major matter ridicul minor benefit major sole connect project that spent lot time class univers colorado insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
sci.space	vandal sky new cso uiuc edu gfk uxa cso uiuc edu georg krumin write suggest that minor profession and amateur astronom dark unclutt night sky and whenc thi stem that overrid right rest give you exampl you watch commerci pai for program you accept that part watch you don you can turn you want view night sky and float billboard you can turn reason that limit billboard scenic area and you want view that televis station you watch commerci you can turn and view televis station word you don you don can that you forc peopl conform your idea aesthet behaviour law regul peopl dress and appeal your fashion sens sinc you thi aesthet view pat write georg call democraci major rule ytou don suggest you modifi constitut includ constitut dark ski theori govern that major rule natur fundament civil right depth perus american histori will show you that wasp continu practic prejudic discrimin and violenc race religion and belief despit law topic discuss pat you annoi legisl creat dark sky zone light emiss protect zone kind nation radio quiet zone you that teh radio telescop observatori west virginia mile emcon zone theoret can prevent you run light motor air condition and vacuum practic us control larg radio user object float billboard that move sky for legisl that peopl had bit common courtesi and greed for monei impact ether and aesthet valu that make human thi includ for wild and unspoil thing includ night sky you don want legisl that imping you you want planet you want insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
sci.space	long term human mission jgladu jgladu bcm tmc edu grungi write articl apr wisipc weizmann ward pashosh wisdom weizmann ward paul wrote you want peopl back space program good thing and thing that that spinoff space program that you can prove worth and vote and pai tax continu exist space program reli that monei agre ward problem your approach add you can claim spin off add spent space and come back you spent billion for that wouldn spend monei direct research and forget thi space stuff that stuff lot cheaper that space wast and ineffici cancel your fund and spend studi mate ritual guinea tribesmen insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
sci.space	satellit pluto mission apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write wierd warn plan put satellit each planet solar system watch question spout opinion mission unman pluto stai orbit and record thing and and pluto strang idea not scan not pluto solar system object and aaroundpluto seti and galaxi solar system worri thi reason time requir propuls capabl can manag you boost pluto and slow back you hohman orbit that ridicul amount time rubber bibl home insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
sci.space	nasa contribut teflon contribut space program sinc french teflon household item earli that invent nasa for pacemak and calcul anecdot connect nasa maximu
sci.space	boe tsto word chairman boe game max washington edu write respons cob boe ssto singl stage orbit technolog that answer two stage approach and talk custom that commerci that long wai thi new thi threaten work boe tsto vehicl and carri extens conceptu studi advanc launch system for time good refer thi comparison propuls option for advanc earth orbit eto applic iaf weldon and fink boe paper describ propan fuel tsto launch system claim achiev aircraft oper effici problem associ liquid hydrogen fuel basic high speed airplan launch herm type spaceplan design concept call beta laid paper can launch pound into polar orbit pound space station orbit includ crew person and life support system design reliabl beta foot long stage power two larg ramjet and high speed civil transport hsct turbofan foot long reusabl orbit trapez mount belli stage aircraft accommod longer and heavi payload expend second stage launch orbit vehicl stage take normal hsct and acceler mach that point turbofan modifi burn catalyz shut and ramjet mach orbit elv swing ignit and proce orbit vehicl land aircraft conclus respect mission estim total weight combin configur takeoff lb roughli equivalanet fulli load orbit stage weigh klb includ klb lox and subcool propan power two klb vacuum thrust rocket engin propel store degre kelvin propan spheric tank mount forward foot cargo bai and two seat orbit crew station lox store aft weldon and fink claim kei thi design success structur effici airfram and compact tankag allow high densiti supercool hydrocarbon fuel paper compar tsto design ssto design conclud ssto slightli lower recur cost tsto easier cheaper and riski develop simpler build greater safeti and mission versatil and doesn carri hard handl and bulki hydrogen fuel conlcud conjunct major us airplan type engin and fuel inher ferri capabl system like provid close airlin oper practic configur singl stage airbreath rocket concept can shown operation viabl thi new thi threaten work weldon and boe work tsto design for time expect thi similar concept perhap hthl ssto propos for sdio ssto phase examin basi for bid phase spacelift threaten possibl set studi straighten govern futur space transport strategi mdc and boe firm provid data joint studi team back faction and option vy for attent includ shuttl upgrad shuttl replac call architectur spacelift elv upgrad and advanc vehicl al beta nasp fst ssto type etc nasa dod dot put togeth coher strategi for futur gov space transport system and juggl term launch for dod and nasa medium term includ commerci consider and invest and risk leap frog technolog sdio ssto and nasp and beta heck problem worst part problem isn that aren promis idea and concept dozen balanc cost and risk versu real term draft report mid june final report come end fiscal year wale larrison space technolog investor maximu
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai articl rrhlo ajb access digex net prb access digex net pat write articl apr stsci edu hathawai stsci edu write articl access digex net prb access digex net pat write articl nhg rpi edu strider clotho acm rpi edu greg moor write space walk boost hst orbit sit mile don exact orbit number ben thi boost idea new you don suppli sourc nice for schedul observ thing altitud number sourc minimum altitud pmdb kilomet maximum altitud pmdb kilomet delta altitud pmdb kilomet pmdb propos manag data base us schedul observ order perform boost hst om engin will fire for long period shuttl heavi thing hst isn light amount om fuel need fly substanti small booster carri and us boost hst will weigh significantli om fuel requir boost hst and shuttl for orbit chang you suppli calcul you check recent post that explain that small booster suggest not exist compar mass that doesn exist mass om fuel imposs contamin threat remain hst even into sort medium orbit reason want high orbit antenna point and longer drag life longer drag life can understand you explain antenna point problem tilt arrai big constraint hst op arrai can and move perfectli util second electron box get work desir reclaim redund pat don mean jump you help suggest and idea want true situat describ and correctli confus regard hathawai
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai articl rrjsjinnop rave larc nasa gov sdd larc nasa gov steve derri write pat prb access digex net wrote limit space walk function suit suppli mass and orbit durat haven specif hst repair mission can mass margin tight carri replac compon wfpc costar gyro solar panel and sort tool eva equip and om fuel and consum can thi lighter origin hst deploy mission achiev highest altitud for shuttl mission date and hst lower orbit limit factor crew fatigu and mission complex steve derri derri larc nasa gov thing recal put satellit high thing come back not that altitud match posit orbit subsequ mission anoth thing misalign plane orbit launch ahead target will requir fuel adjust thi consid origin deploy agre that demand crew and complex stupend admir hathawai baltimor
sci.space	space spinn off want point that teflon wasn space program wwii nuclear weapon develop program pipe system for fraction and enrich uranium had line uranium hexaflorid chemic turn pitchblend into for enrich massiv corros even stainless steel for inert substaanc line pipe teflon molecular socket bound unreact sens worth bill
sci.space	moon imag weather sat imag articl apr unoc stgprao unoc richard ottolini write articl usenet uc indiana edu turner bigbang astro indiana edu georg turner write imag moon caught weather satellit imag earth appear and visual imag earth gif imag can load vmd cso uiuc edu and name gif and gif for and visual imag pretti cool pictur satur visual imag detail moon viewabl midsumm you can relfect sun ocean solar eclis you can shadow sun move across cloud speak paper year ago weather sat imag lunar eclips imag upload anywher dig refer interest shag rob unverzagt shag aerospac aero org tuesdai soylent green dai unverzagt courier aero org
sci.space	space spinn off articl rrui bigboot wpi edu wfbrown wpi wpi edu william brown write wfbrown wpi wpi edu william brown subject space spinn off date apr gmt want point that teflon wasn space program wwii nuclear weapon develop program pipe system for fraction and enrich uranium had line uranium hexaflorid chemic turn pitchblend into for enrich massiv corros even stainless steel for inert substaanc line pipe teflon molecular socket bound unreact sens worth bill artif pacemak invent wilson greatbatch american biomed engin bill author nasa sign octob clear that nasa had noth invent pacemak
sci.space	space manuev tug hst servic mission prb access digex net pat write that describ for hst smt and mass amrgin discoveri mission tight that spacewalk carefulli constrain edo pallet spare suit extra mmu verifi that mass predomin constraint thi mission you assum give support evid not thi quick test goldin philosophji faster cheaper build real fast space tug handl boost hst clean cryo fuel and readi hst mission pat thi slower expens and wors slower shuttl mission schedul decemb that month you build hardwar retrain and reschedul eva that time expens your propos requir shuttl execpt fire om addit you ad signific extra cost for piec complex hardwar gao report omv two plan mission that us such vehicl hst and axaf sinc axaf sinc scale back and hst can reli shuttl doesn for your vehicl josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu find make attribut hannib
sci.space	vandal sky articl apr mksol dseg mccall mksol dseg fred mccall write new cso uiuc edu gfk uxa cso uiuc edu georg krumin write suggest that minor profession and amateur astronom dark unclutt night sky and whenc thi stem that overrid right rest thi thi straight that poor choic word push gai agenda understand thi phrase extrem minor beauti world you hand make ugli you presum speak for rest and cannot complain curiou object float billboard that move sky for legisl that peopl had bit common courtesi and greed for monei impact ether and aesthet valu that make human thi includ for wild and unspoil thing includ night sky you don want legisl that imping you you want planet you want and you want you insist put that will impact for selfish reason legisl and can even object thi shove contest track readi thi thread die quick and merci death insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for hathawai baltimor
sci.space	singl launch space station articl cmu edu mcimail karl dishaw wrote andi cohen cohen ssdgwy mdc write singl launch core station concept shuttl extern tank and solid rocket booster us launch station into orbit shuttl main engin mount tail station modul for launch and jettison separ jettison ssme not hold and shuttl bring us spare good question ask that sinc thi option expens freedom deriv issu will like moot
sci.space	long term human mission articl jgladu bcm tmc edu grungi write ward pashosh wisdom weizmann ward paul wrote calcul teflon your egg don stick pan pacemak grandfath aliv thing that that spinoff space program that you can prove worth and vote and pai tax continu exist space program reli that monei btw don forget velcro honest velcro date doubt list develop space ag doesn mean space spin btw don forget tang dong
sci.space	space station redesign jsc altern articl apr ubc davem ubc dave michelson wrote articl ralibinnc cbl umd edu mike starburst umd edu michael santangelo write dbm lerc nasa gov david mckissock write text option and delet option singl core launch station thi jsc lead option basic you diamet cylind that long slap space shuttl main engin backsid put nose cone top attach regular shuttl extern tank and regular set solid rocket motor and launch can kei featur complet end end ground integr and checkout tangenti mount fix solar panel bodi mount radiat add protect micrometeroid orbit debri centerlin dock port each end berth port singl pressur volum approxim cubic feet twice volum skylab floor center passagewai floor housekeep power strang attract for thi idea live modular home alter mind thing that scare part simpli strap ssme and nosecon and launch thi vision terribl wrong launch result complet loss modular space station not peic case stage orbit construct thi option origin phase studi earli good stuff thi stuff phase and mol phase end power tower approach expens term upfront develop cost you redistribut cost shuttl flight contractor build
sci.space	vandal sky rbung access digex net robert bung write articl agi mju new cso uiuc edu jbh uxa cso uiuc edu josh hopkin write wonder vandal proper word us thi situat dictionari defin vandal will malici destructuion public privat properti beauti artisitc agre sky beauti not that public privat properti public belong sky not thi time belong ownership definit author decid action good bad you brick wall can unilater declar that spraypaint name and you don author declar that wrong owner find artist call polic thi appli argument bright satellit street light vandal peopl power compani malici wast light malici impli evil intent light compani aren spoil sky don care can sell you your citi your state unshield light that wast percent light make monei never mind that your monei wast respons custom choos effici hardwar that your citi will bui that light compani will sell write letter citi hall note that not defend light pollut origni focu thi thread space base light sourc josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu find make attribut hannib
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai articl rrgu access digex net prb access digex net pat write thing design retriev pinch thi dictat odd design for solar arrai sinc had retract extend not design solar arrai detach shuttl retunr hst bother arrai can detach emerg expens hardwar not thrown casual bear mind that knew design defect deploy crew had found nasti flaw lid fail open for exampl bit embarrass throw solar arrai thing back payload bai svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	mar observ updat forward mar observ project mar observ statu report april pdt dss madrid meter antenna not acquir expect mar observ spacecraft signal schedul begin track yesterdai morn approxim indic that spacecraft had enter fault protect mode that time and receipt normal telemetri end previou station pass dss goldston meter antenna approxim even entri into conting mode verifi signal reacquir and telemetri that spacecraft sun cone subsystem engin report system perform nomin fault protect telemetri mode reconfigur and memori readout command system audit queue and aac attitud and articul control subsystem starex perform readout verifi that conting mode entri occur shortli yesterdai preliminari indic that sun ephemeri check failur trigger fault protect flight team will determin precis dai last even spacecraft had command back inerti refer and stabl that mode flight team plan command spacecraft back arrai normal spin state todai magnetomet calibr activ had complet prior conting mode entri mag calibr data record digit tape record and playback dtr and schedul complet yesterdai postpon conting mode entri halt flight sequenc execut flight team develop strategi restart complet data playback present plan perform playback wednesdai late fridai week depend conting mode recoveri activ dtr playback will perform high gain antenna bit per second verif success dtr playback downlink will maintain rate ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar and part veget
sci.space	planet habit articl zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write articl rpt hsc usc edu khayash hsc usc edu ken hayashida write for human toler exampl human endur term altitud low atmospher pressur and lower oxygen partial pressur opinion scale everest oxygen assist thi quit feat physiolog endur extrem limit humanli mount everest fairli low latitud slight equatori bulg atmospher induc earth rotat circul pattern atmospher air cool pole and descend flow back equat warm and rise and thi help make everest oxygen feasibl feasibl mind you gui report hallucin and indic oxygen starvat and incur perman brain damag climber regard metr and death zone even oxygen you slowli dy everest climber spend short period time descend onc descend feel walk into jungl air thick everest winter oxygen support parti alpin style that ultim challeng solo dillon pyron opinion express dseg lewisvil vax support sender state home texan vote robin hood pyron skndiv dseg solut not gestur padi
sci.space	satellit pluto mission articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write plan put satellit each planet solar system watch question spout opinion progress that goal for year preced orbit mission flybi mission get harder work farther earth start work outer planet galileo will orbit jupit and cassini saturn mission unman pluto stai orbit and record thing and and pluto thing flybi mission sinc easier and faster fast pluto flybi mission approv launch pluto mission end decad pluto orbit requir larger spacecraft and longer cruis period orbit insert requir fuel carri and restrict trajectori slower approach veloc pluto imagin that neptun orbit mission pluto orbit mission pluto flybi turn interest ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar and part veget
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai prb access digex net pat write articl zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write thing design retriev pinch thi dictat odd design for solar arrai sinc had retract extend and indirectli contribut arrai flap problem not design solar arrai detach shuttl retunr hst bother arrai fit quick releas space walk us second canadarm remov arrai you want put hubbl back payload bai for reboost and you don want clip panel each time for gamma rai observatori design requir that store energi mecahn spring explos squib ga shock etc us for deploy thi partial that reel back put back payload bai and partial for safeti consider heard that wing cruis missil cut you half you stand swath open back shuttl dai cost orbit per pound design thing for easi servic david palmer palmer alumni caltech edu palmer tgr gsfc nasa gov
sci.space	philosophi quest boldli articl assi ec cmu edu loss ec cmu edu doug loss write analog magazin articl similar subject quit year ago question alien spacecraft land washington proper organ deal state depart alien ambassador defens depart alien invad immigr and natur servic illeg alien depart interior human speci etc question percept alien not intrins natur bibliographi for articl cite philosoph paper name and author sadli forget author italian constitut legal and moral person entitl right accord person paper quit interest recal thi situat alien prior conclud that advanc and inteleg that life chanc wont commun will clue weather inteleg not you care answer human track record help poor underpriveleg cultur underpriveleg mean not priveleg terribl usual result destruct radic reorgan cultur thi not wrong that bet that good point hadn thought that question line year spend million tax dollar and give tax break individu and compani feed poor foreign countri thousand peopl sleep street night give economicli dissadvantag anoth planet hadn resolv issu your comment bring anoth good question year decid that cultur improv nativ american good exampl prior attempt civil nativ american cultur had crime homelessn poverti european and and encount life live hous farm land and church sundai dai bobo
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai articl apr stsci edu hathawai stsci edu write space walk boost hst orbit sit mile don exact orbit number ben thi boost idea new you don suppli sourc nice for schedul observ thing altitud number sourc minimum altitud pmdb kilomet maximum altitud pmdb kilomet delta altitud pmdb kilomet pmdb propos manag data base us schedul observ your number mine don exact number order perform boost hst om engin will fire for long period shuttl heavi thing hst isn light amount om fuel need fly substanti small booster carri and us boost hst will weigh significantli om fuel requir boost hst and shuttl for orbit chang you suppli calcul you check recent post that explain that small booster suggest not exist compar mass that doesn exist mass om fuel imposs contamin threat remain contamin threat small manuev tug that shuttl and om engin that small manuev tug exist soup bu clasifi spec hte bu provid control forc balanc hst and rocket thrust hurl into decent high orbit hst even into sort medium orbit reason want high orbit antenna point and longer drag life longer drag life can understand you explain antenna point that intrument point problem tilt arrai big constraint hst op arrai can and move perfectli util second electron box get work desir reclaim redund second box get fritzi you shitter vill real fast don mean jump you help suggest and idea want true situat describ and correctli confus regard hathawai problem exact number mission plan origin spacewalk and astronaut enorm concern mass margin for flight plan for eva dai mission and reserv eva and emerg eva that come guess om burn fuel boost margin figur goldin prove faster cheaper whiz kid slap togeth expend space manuev tug bu and us that for boost discoveri tow truck pat
sci.space	reviv san marco commerci space new articl ofa fidonet org wale larrison ofa fidonet org write commerci space new space technolog investor number thi point kei discrimin judg feasibl commerci launch site includ identifi kei custom provid core usag suffici recov setup cost market advantag site can exist infrastructur us modifi site can financ found low cost support invest commerci launch site ventur includ woomera poker flat cape york white sand alabama shore platform hawaii and vandenberg judg criteria opinion ventur fly hope and specul and not sound financi ground thi remind fuzzi brain recal that think reviv san marco launch platform coast kenya copernicu satellit launch thi true imagin possibl connect italian program reviv scout version that platform get pretti rusti and ain lot infrastructur bill higgin beam jockei you fermi nation acceler laboratori white sand june bitnet higgin fnal bitnet you bring your view graph internet higgin fnal fnal gov and bring rocketship span hepnet higgin col pete worden
sci.space	two line orbit element set space shuttl current orbit element norad two line element set carri celesti bb and updat daili document and track softwar thi system servic satellit user commun current element for current shuttl mission provid below celesti bb access hour dai bp data bit stop bit pariti element set updat daili shuttl element and document and softwar anonym ftp archiv afit mil directori pub space st kelso assist professor space oper tkelso afit mil air forc institut technolog
sci.space	gamma rai burster pictur univers float log river log float river occasion strike rock bank bottom log thi colliss occur kinet energi translat into heat log degrad get scrape and energi translaion occur distribut damag log depend shape log small viru mite head termit center log shock wave colliss uniformli random direct thi theori for grb evid univers interact univers not make sens grb come oort cloud log theori univers can rule layman physic world you physicist thi bob comb astronaut engin stanford telecom
sci.space	long term space voyang and effect newsgroup tstroup forc ssd lmsc lockhe write respons origin post you literatur search lot inform pick specif area long term habit thi make net can method analyz technolog such detail literatur search interest ourselv space advoc and import exist space program essenc divid space life scienc issu into technic problem solv technolog thi databas accept solut problem form basi detail discuss involv peopl bionet isunet and sourc unbeliev outpour interest thi net develop detail data base literatur search accomplish that can real analysi data base for futur engin that respons ken you tim agre hope chime suggest specif technolog appli mainten earth atmospher long durat spacecraft tim atmospher thi singl fundament issu keep aliv taught that support patient you for maintain airwai keep trauma train and keep emerg medicin professor happi suggest that issu surround regener atmospher circuit howz that tim ken
sci.space	moon imag weather sat imag you brighten dark part gif your viewer you will two object upper left part moon weather satellit and moon bill shaughnessi
sci.space	gamma rai burster energet prb access digex net pat write articl rou ginn gap caltech edu palmer cco caltech edu david palmer write prb access digex pat write articl apr vax mankato msu edu belgarath vax mankato msu edu write energet for close for coron model found erg sec and lastli for cosmolog model that you call moder energet suggest put that energi second jeremi big capacitor real big capacitor suggest specif lightn strike cloud interstellar medium big lightn rod you for protect and you jupit ground plane pat sound you want star for ground plane phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man
sci.space	internet resourc stk vax stockton edu pontif take entitl explor scienc internet for final project find compendium internet resourc deal scienc relat topic chose astronomi wonder knew interest resourc internet that provid inform astronomi space nasa that sci space faq post deal thi archiv perhap can post don rememb jame green jgreen obo calpoli edu didn you can prove bart simpson
sci.space	reviv san marco commerci space new higgin fnalf fnal gov bill higgin beam jockei write articl ofa fidonet org wale larrison ofa fidonet org write commerci space new space technolog investor number commerci launch site ventur includ woomera poker flat cape york white sand alabama shore platform hawaii and vandenberg judg criteria opinion ventur fly hope and specul and not sound financi ground thi remind fuzzi brain recal that think reviv san marco launch platform coast kenya copernicu satellit launch thi true imagin possibl connect italian program reviv scout version that platform get pretti rusti and ain lot infrastructur inform show that last san marco launch total that recal that asi univers rome includ monei annual budget for maintain platform two italian spend monei develop advanc scout recent event italian space program and italian govern make skeptic that thi will ground futur josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu find make attribut hannib
sci.space	philosophi quest boldli articl apr hemlock crai bobo thejest crai bob kierski write year decid that cultur improv nativ american good exampl prior attempt civil nativ american cultur had crime homelessn poverti thi overli broad statement you refer nativ american cultur that exist that exist simplifi thing assum talk eastern contin that radic cultur you refer encount life live hous farm land and church sundai note that pre columbian nativ american east mississippi thing not sundai organ religion not mention citi and govern you judg nativ american tribal cultur that exist you want read account soto expedit find pre columbian nativ american cultur civil part contin svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	transistor tube electr guitar enthusiast type amp prefer and you tube type sinc tube lower distort and nois transistor your electr guitar type tube sound dude turn reverb gain add analog delai line and fuzz box wouldn notic distort forgot phase shifter kind absurd isn player even want distort hendrix fan lot that can afford amp plai music distort your hard core hendirx fan that want type distort make not amp transistor advantag wast heat and energi us heater cathod tube compar mechan system didn thing wast heat babbag and haven mechan anybodi guess tommi mac tom mcwilliam commun communist ibm msu edu and pacifi pacifist timbuk
sci.space	big and inform project send report request copi keith malinowski stk vax stockton edu stockton state colleg pomona
sci.space	vandal sky dale sez hathawai post monei lengthi short orbit billboard trash that billboard earth trash billboard make place trashi that law place prohibit us light pollut complaint attempt find tangibl reason orbit billboard peopl don feel moral justifi complain ground that thing defil beauti sky don bui thing had peopl wouldn spend monei make lack your opinion not actual fact philisoph legal basi for prohibit hand live oakbrook for zone law prohibit billboard you mention fine law despit contradictori basi guess that legal and moral basi for protest violat privat properti bought thi hous boondock specif enjoi hobbi amateur astronomi thi billboard made that invest worthless want price properti damag wouldn succes case that make bill sat prohibit expens tommi mac tom mcwilliam commun communist ibm msu edu and pacifi pacifist timbuk
sci.space	hall gener ussr folk last year america bought two hall gener us thruster for space vehicl ussr recal correctli devic jpl pasadena lab for test and evalu curiou devic work and principl involv controversi that russian cheat sold inferior devic and not us space vehicl info will appreci advanc tamoor zaidi lockhe commerci aircraft center norton afb san bernardino teeze netcom cleveland freenet edu
sci.space	human habital planet habit planet depend kind plant life can grown and such length grow season that you want vat food argh ratehr eat mre for period time fairbank furbank winter can summer can and such wors place incan and sherpa and low pressur atmospher and such limit human adapt mentioend that incan woman come lower elev babi brought term true rememb book pourrnel that delt planet lower densiti air limit end atmospher limit human and stress and not alien possibilti thou alien adapt total alien human environ such upper atmospher jupit almost make bio engin life easi michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	combo propuls system hard easi combo mission such solar sail outer planet onc orbit us normal mean that talk system and system per mission not propuls system miss die committe michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	electr spacecraft magnet field earth earth magnet field miss you put object earth magnet field produc electricti question can you us electr power space low earth orbit vehicl and fyou can can you us magnet field earth power can idea dragless satellit us part creat electr field dragless satellit wrong suspend pilon pilon compens for drag want not dragless satellit sound interestingli liek gener michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack for spell not brought window onlin modem and comm program almo tthere
sci.space	rocket type articl rpv wraith uow edu wraith uow edu glen justin balmer messag rpv wraith uow edu not heard particl propols system glen balmer that employ hugh aircraft compani work ion propuls system for satellit jai brinkmey
sci.space	mothership for flybi and cut cost get wierd figur that mission specif pluto larg and expens launch probe multipl part kind liek mirv principl cold war dai basic mean design mother ship that piggi back probe for mission planet each probe ti mother ship earth case thi good and for mar mar mission can act mother ship relai point for probe mother ship power not mar mission normal propuls solar sail main reason for solar sail race can and autmoat sail probe need asteroid meteor cloud and such sail main reasonf mother ship idea make economo send multipl probe mission satellit explorer place and cut cost probe fly by michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai access digex net prb access digex net pat write contamin threat small manuev tug that shuttl and om engin apertur door will shut reboost shuttl mean that will nearbi pry door open stick figur goldin prove faster cheaper whiz kid slap togeth expend space manuev tug bu and us that for boost clear that whiz kid not run show case not prudent stick slap togeth explos devic end billion dollar asset that you wiseacr that shuttl slap togeth explos devic had test
sci.space	mothership for flybi and cut cost articl aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write get wierd perhap even weird figur that mission specif pluto larg and expens hmmm you want read thi group carefulli good amount discuss propos pluto fast flybi pff mission that specif design small and cheap matthew deluca georgia institut technolog atlanta georgia decvax hplab ncar purdu rutger gatech prism matthew internet matthew phantom gatech edu
sci.space	ftp imag astro server commend ftp site ftp cicb ethernet address directori pub imag astro lot imag kind astronomi subject gif format and directori jpl anim for your comfort readm file subdirectori give size and descript each imag and dai newer imag list readmenew note you can connect anonym ftp user quota for each user connect time server respond you connect refus patient note thi site reachabl gopher roland cicb ethernet address diver serveur ftp serveur ftp cri cicb imag astro you comment suggest problem you can contact mail rousself univ renn hope you enjoi
sci.space	temperatur dark sky apr head cfa harvard edu willner head cfa harvard edu steve willner write cook that case event energi densiti starlight come that microwav background and that correct yeah that thi weird coincid and not hand thi time tvf
sci.space	boe tsto word chairman boe descript boe studi two stage spaceplan superson ramjet delet word boe not think reliabl expens access orbit fool exot airplan
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sci.space	moon imag weather sat imag articl billoshc bqyi netcom billosh netcom william shaughnessi you brighten dark part gif your viewer you will two object upper left part moon weather satellit and moon bill shaughnessi object ufo
sci.space	boe tsto word chairman boe articl schumach convex convex schumach convex richard schumach write word boe not think reliabl expens access orbit fool exot airplan thi presuppos that superson ramjet aircraft spacecraft can reliabl low cost thi unproven matthew deluca georgia institut technolog atlanta georgia decvax hplab ncar purdu rutger gatech prism matthew internet matthew phantom gatech edu
sci.space	singl launch space station andi cohen cohen ssdgwy mdc write singl launch core station concept shuttl extern tank and solid rocket booster us launch station into orbit shuttl main engin mount tail station modul for launch and jettison separ karl dishaw mcimail repli jettison ssme not hold and shuttl bring us spare perform reason come mind you jettison ssme you don drag you you perform your circular burn orbit ssme dead weight sinc don ssme pressur mechan work thi mean that you can us for boost dead weight coupl advantag disadvantag throw ssme us ssme not quit man ratabl doubt that cost launch failur high ken jenk nasa jsc space shuttl program offic kjenk gothamc jsc nasa gov develop space station inevit rise sun wernher von braun
sci.space	kaliningrad tsniimach enterpris baub write tsniimach enterpris describ militari establish locat npo energia facil kaliningrad moscow thi facil kaliningrad thi not moscow fact east prussian konigsberg russian enclav baltic coast serv ship and rail and intrepid travel europ find access and even want arrang tour hmm two town name kaliningrad locat north moscow correct home russian space enterpris includ npo energia krunichev fakel and tsniimach main russian man spacecraft control facil locat kaliningrad easili reachabl auto moscow and tour can arrang call ahead arm militari guard facil don speak english aren paid and bore popular destin western space industri type moment wale larrison space technolog investor maximu
sci.space	astronaut weightless feel articl apr morgan jlieb morgan jerri liebelson write want weightless feel for exampl constant sensat fall ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov repli weightless feel fall feel strang bodi adjust feel not that sky dive astronaut flown time you flight set weightless shoulder lift and spine straighten felt momentari panic and hand grab strap keep firmli floor prevent fall rememb concious rule involuntari motion ear felt not heard rush and feel fluid move head you bed you cold that point ceas concentr physiolog respons sinc had scienc busi keep experi and keep track part return graviti and subsequ pull didn pai attent physiolog that time parabola discov that perform trick discov get motion sick keep head and move slowli hand and arm need rapid conciou motion for experi pull parabola queasi final start and had us air sick bag basic useless for rest that flight seat back plane partner draft for thi purpos work experi ill vetran vomit comet rider anomal peopl don sick thing didn constant sensat fall swim air close sensat feel scuba dive and turn head and fin jerri and motion sick that astronaut occasion experi ron bodi reaction strang environ appear induc partli physic discomfort and part mental distress peopl prone peopl prone sick roller coaster ride mental part induc lack clear indic shuttl orient cargo bai point earth earth ground head astronaut astronaut experi form motion sick and nasa numer test space number occur volunt jsc space biomed laboratori thing test ron mention call pre flight adapt trainer consist chair degre freedom motion base move geometr visual aid goal measur victim subject respons and subject physiolog descript and repeat exposur thi environ reduc futur motion sick symptom jerri don activ duti astronaut person read thi group that bruce mccandless offic had wait anxious for space station redesign option post last week don bruce read group ken jenk nasa jsc space shuttl program offic kjenk gothamc jsc nasa gov man make mistak not make edward john phelp american diplomat lawyer
sci.space	deploy space dock articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write not build inflat space dock henri spencer henri zoo toronto edu wrote you larg scale satellit servic pressur hangar make consider sens question whether larg scale satellit servic futur point justifi develop such thing that mighti fine idea sinc you ask not respond put applic such space dock factor pressur volum temperatur control difficult space and your inflat hangar will incorpor thermal insul doubl wall inflat micrometeoroid protect and radiat protect requir don thi will clear plastic bubbl like big white ball made kind multi layer fabric that soft torso space suit made todai almost man space vessel skylab mir salyut us pressur for increas structur rigid even had metal skin kind qualifi inflat inflat process carefulli control space environ reduc ductil expos materi due temperatur extrem monotom oxygen imping and radiat effect materi your fabric not retain flexibl for long thi not matter even inflat pressur hangar flex fabric lead hole and tear ductil decreas technic difficulti llnl propos for inflat space station dealt vari degre success ken jenk nasa jsc space shuttl program offic kjenk gothamc jsc nasa gov good idea common uncommon peopl work hard bring ashleigh brilliant
sci.space	teflon long term human mission hausner quci queensu alejo hausner write rek siss robert kay write contribut space program regular societi teflon your egg don stick pan split hair read make atom bomb that teflon develop world war sealant need for tube uranium hexafluorid pass gradual enrich difuss corros and inert flexibl materi need for seal you teflon discov accid wwii heard had chemic assum tetrafluoroethylen tank and valv gum cut open reveal that had polymer materi for seal had major problem for line vessel wouldn stick metal space program find stick had stick frypan market late dan tilqu dant techbook
sci.space	llnl inflat space station deploy space dock kjenk gothamc jsc nasa gov write articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write not build inflat space dock discuss pro and con delet technic difficulti llnl propos for inflat space station dealt vari degre success give refer llnl propos mean track conjunt work not directli relat space station principl will carri josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu find make attribut hannib
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai articl bdgm zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write articl rrgu access digex net prb access digex net pat write thing design retriev pinch thi dictat odd design for solar arrai sinc had retract extend not design solar arrai detach shuttl retunr hst bother arrai can detach emerg expens hardwar not thrown casual bear mind that knew design defect deploy crew had found nasti flaw lid fail open for exampl bit embarrass throw solar arrai thing back payload bai guess kind aesthet argument can solar arrai expens and conting you throw brand solar cell cheap compar toa shuttl mission wouldn bother pat
sci.space	polit banner space you not shuttl your launch vehicl and elv backlog for polit messag campaign season candid for presid had launch get launch for perot and had us shuttl launch for nixon pat
sci.space	teflon long term human mission articl rtghr techbook techbook dant techbook techbook dan tilqu write materi for seal had major problem for line vessel wouldn stick metal space program find stick had stick frypan market late ejon matejev full professor clarkson univers last heard develop process for stick teflon metal don nasa project cuz heard held patent and had made quit bundl clarkson exact stori never want pat
sci.space	space manuev tug hst servic mission articl bbow new cso uiuc edu jbh uxa cso uiuc edu josh hopkin write prb access digex net pat write that describ for hst smt and mass amrgin discoveri mission tight that spacewalk carefulli constrain edo pallet spare suit extra mmu verifi that mass predomin constraint thi mission you assum give support evid nasa post that signific mass margin hst boost mission back had ask not carri edo pallet and answer mass margin tight weren even carri extra suit not thi quick test goldin philosophji faster cheaper build real fast space tug handl boost hst clean cryo fuel and readi hst mission pat thi slower expens and wors slower shuttl mission schedul decemb that month you build hardwar retrain and reschedul eva that time wingo you come knock that you forget that skylab overnight mission plan for repair eva intelsat mission overnight wetf simul train eva month and for build hardwar can built you want bad you forget bu built ahv soup even test delta mission don into thi mode negativ rate mission slip discoveri won launch thi mission march that almost year expens your propos requir shuttl execpt fire om addit you ad signific extra cost for piec complex hardwar expens second hst servic mission you forget bum fg solar arrai electron get hinki and month servic mission time for space walk grow rapidli thi orign plan spacewalk eva reserv walk smt can avoid second servic mission that million save weight save mean can sit orbit for dai and handl conting problem that quit save gao report omv two plan mission that us such vehicl hst and axaf sinc axaf sinc scale back and hst can reli shuttl doesn for your vehicl wasn for saturn apollo for problem apertur door can work handl that plug made frozen ic contamin sublim teh boost pat
sci.space	combo propuls system articl aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write hard easi combo mission such solar sail outer planet onc orbit us normal mean you good propuls system that not for deceler you can us chemic rocket for that part even deceler chemic major headach talk high cruis veloc take veloc for pluto orbit isn easi chemic fuel incident solar sail not suitabl acceler system for thi don anywher quickli speak head mission plan for canadian solar sail project that honorari titl cssp dormant can fly mission thi you start talk advanc system that drop close sun svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	electr spacecraft magnet field earth articl aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write earth magnet field you put object earth magnet field produc electricti not that simpl you earth magnet field and you don gener electr can question can you us electr power space low earth orbit vehicl and fyou can can you us magnet field earth power you power thing electr answer question you meant propel power answer sort you can us interact earth magnet field electr power and potenti applic for thi bear mind that free lunch energi isn come such system convert energi your orbit veloc into electr energi case thi tradeoff power obtain thi for propuls special situat you can your power mean solar arrai and run interact magnet field revers pump energi into orbit take energi you want inform electrodynam propuls tether applic and magsail can idea dragless satellit us part creat electr field dragless satellit not magic drag burn fuel constantli fight drag maintain exact orbit drag thi quot dragless svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	moon imag weather sat imag articl apr unoc stgprao unoc richard ottolini write articl usenet uc indiana edu turner bigbang astro indiana edu georg turner write imag moon caught weather satellit imag earth midsumm you can relfect sun ocean cool solar eclis you can shadow sun move across cloud you mean moon had
sci.space	vandal sky articl bir inc cmu edu msu edu tom write hand live oakbrook for zone law prohibit billboard you mention fine law despit contradictori basi and live nice sleepi farm vallei butler famili decid stick sort tacki high rise offic build and ruin view sky guess su pat
sci.space	mothership for flybi and cut cost articl aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write design mother ship that piggi back probe for mission planet not you wonder propuls system for mother ship that can appli probe simpli launch probe independ outer planet scatter wide across two dimension solar system and seldom help uranu not neptun don judg interplanetari trajectori gener voyag exploit lineup that occur coupl centuri and even voyag indirect rout neptun mother ship power not mar mission normal propuls solar sail solar sail pretti useless outer solar system slow you assum quit advanc version svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai articl rrgu access digex net prb access digex net pat write articl zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write thing design retriev pinch thi dictat odd design for solar arrai sinc had retract extend and indirectli contribut arrai flap problem not design solar arrai detach shuttl retunr hst bother arrai fit quick releas didn stem design us for retriev for abil launch tight size st envelop thi guess base similar design flown larg st launch gro uar consider mass requir stem weight convent final hst arrai abil detach rememb replac arrai ac gui branch manag pull collect hair hst voic hearti yea convent arrai stem whenev half hertz flexibl mode thermal snap problem david gsfc
sci.space	gamma rai burster energet articl apr vax mankato msu edu belgarath vax mankato msu edu write articl rgvjsinnbhq senat bedfellow mit edu jfc athena mit edu john carr write energi burster put energi depend distanc unknown answer form erg per megaparsec sphere oort cloud radiu edg galaxi edg galact corona and lastli mpc for radiu found erg sec pretti energet for close for coron model found erg sec and lastli for cosmolog model that you call moder energet suggest put that energi second jeremi supernova put forget order magnitud not gamma rai you hafta that into gamma mpc decent fraction output gamma extragalact closer mpc dunno theori can gamma big radio galaxi can put erg continu that radio lot gamma burst nah explan show that energi produc thing greg
sci.space	mothership for flybi and cut cost articl dtd hhi zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write voyag exploit lineup that occur coupl centuri and even voyag indirect rout neptun indirect compar voyag travers substanti greater distanc hohmann orbit never heard voyag path describ indirect dave michelson davem ubc univers british columbia
sci.space	electr spacecraft magnet field earth articl aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write earth magnet field miss you put object earth magnet field produc electricti you put conductor chang magnet field produc voltag two wai you can that perman magnet move magnet move conductor slow shift earth magnet field isn signific you weak earth magnet field begin question can you us electr power space low earth orbit vehicl and fyou can can you us magnet field earth power requir gener incred larg magnet field repel earth magnet field magnet can repel anoth magnet thi forc work direct and magnet field gener unimagin power magnet repuls drop and earth magnet field surfac weak requir sort unknown superconductor and special nonmagnet construct and harden electron optic comput perhap and physiolog danger signific due iron content blood thing word forget can idea dragless satellit us part creat electr field dragless satellit wrong suspend pilon pilon compens for drag want not dragless satellit sound interestingli liek gener miss dragless satellit thread sound total bogu thi bit isaac kuo isaackuo math berkelei edu twinkl twinkl sig line big
sci.space	gamma rai burster articl apr tpl tplrd tpl keithh tplrd tpl keith harwood write articl rbl einnip gap caltech edu palmer cco caltech edu david palmer write prb access digex pat write evid that gamma rai burster enorm power wonder quantum black hole that fairli close galact rang david good explain deduct isotrop edg distribut whit part univers part oort cloud don you mean edg sure two possibl for isotrop distribut interstellar disc galaxi corona couldn earth centr edg occur edg gravispher isn mechan for isn mechan for ross smith wanganui alien acheron amigan gen god disput origin thought christian call great leg pull apollo claim sizeabl minor support pluto god dead ground that sick sens humour tom holt
sci.space	space manuev tug hst servic mission prb access digex net pat write wrote prb access digex net pat write that describ for hst smt verifi that mass predomin constraint thi mission you assum give support evid nasa post that signific mass margin hst boost mission back had ask not carri edo pallet and answer mass margin tight weren even carri extra suit mass save not burn om that critic question data show that om engin hold propel that substanti fraction us for om burn reentri burn and reserv pat fuel altitud chang and edo pallet bu and extra part mass you can make number work interest you show that can edo pallet bu and extra equip cost not thi quick test goldin philosophji faster cheaper build real fast space tug handl boost hst clean cryo fuel and readi hst mission pat thi slower expens and wors wingo you come knock that you forget that skylab overnight mission plan for repair eva thexd intelsat mission overnight wetf simul train eva month astronaut eva minim plan that had don that gener rule second rememb had improvis intelsat attach motor piec hardwar that wasn design that shortcut train make repeat like don month time left come plan show can work and get approv you pessimist attitud realist not that engin task imposs engin task that thi cost effect feasibl nasa manag and for build hardwar can built you want bad you forget bu built ahv soup even test delta mission soup that mean don into thi mode negativ rate mission slip discoveri won launch thi mission march that almost year expens your propos requir shuttl execpt fire om addit you ad signific extra cost for piec complex hardwar expens second hst servic mission second servic mission conting you shown that your plan that unnecessari your plan you forget bum fg solar arrai electron get hinki and month servic mission pat haven forgotten smt can avoid second servic mission that million save pat that million minu cost hardwar minu cost extra struff you want bring minu develop and mangement cost minu extra oper cost tanstaafl gao report omv two plan mission that us such vehicl hst and axaf sinc axaf sinc scale back and hst can reli shuttl doesn for your vehicl wasn for saturn apollo that you reread thi you that your argument falaci for problem apertur door can work handl that plug made frozen ic contamin sublim teh boost pat not thi messi and reliabl devic that made perform thi task ignor point desir astronaut that door fail open can you can provid reliabl reopen door you haven solv problem josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu find make attribut hannib
sci.space	mothership for flybi and cut cost aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write get wierd launch probe multipl part kind liek mirv principl cold war dai basic mean design mother ship that piggi back probe for mission planet each probe ti mother ship earth case thi good and for mar mar mission can act mother ship relai point for probe can for singl big expens heavi mothership for voyag style flybi mission year ago calcul grand tour space probe launch saturn time felt that idea big mother ship had merit voyag had small lightweight craft due limit impos weak titan iii centaur launcher concept examin and michael had lot common british interplanetari societi daedalu project for send probe barnard star larg bu spacecraft carri smaller probe dispatch ship arriv destin saturn supposedli launch ton payload jupit and bu includ power camera telescop scientif equip and heavier power power sourc voyag limit weight anymor extrem import voyag had perform measur coupl week and planetari encount and rel great distanc smaller probe carri aboard base real voyag and even smaller version schedul for launch pluto earli centuri and releas point mission advantag obviou bu carri basic jupit saturn uranu neptun mission voyag addit two sub probe relas saturn examin that planet south polar region move pluto thi enabl nasa map hemispher pluto charon and probe examin part jupit saturn uranu neptun system that weren examin great detail voyag due trajectori relat factor small swarm camera equip miniatur space probe releas month encount costli for small voyag type mission feasibl launch heavi equip spacecraft and learn lot outer planet reason grand tour cancel lack monei marcu michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	planet habit iyd ec cmu edu loss ec cmu edu doug loss write jpg apr holli bnr jpg bnr jonathan gibbon write thought make planet habit for human make asumpt that life and similar atmospher evolv rang physic aspect planet question physic aspect simpli disallow earth condit dandridg cole and isaac asimov collabor book titl habit planet for man good librari inter librari loan refer dole habit planet for man blaisdel publish compani york don thi can found fogg extra solar planetari system microcomput simul brit interplanetari soc estim preval biocompat and habit planet brit interplanetari soc paper includ detail discuss physic condit for habit del cotter dac brunel
sci.space	fax email want for loui friedman planetari societi send glen moor director scienc centr wollongong australia fax email gkm uow edu
sci.space	human habital planet articl aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write habit planet depend kind plant life can grown and such length grow season that you want vat food argh ratehr eat mre for period time greenhous extend grow season shouldn problem suppris don alaska cheaper import perhap incan and sherpa and low pressur atmospher and such limit human adapt mentioend that incan woman come lower elev babi brought term true inca had problem thi spanish frank crari boulder
sci.space	larg acceler revisit can aircraft design that pilot can maintain upright posit perpendicular plane acceler visual helmet us that displai flight paramet and keyboard and manuv equip move pilot pilot function acceler excess pursu thi area reason thi imposs present time walter wohlmuth walter capon ccsm uiuc edu illinoi urbana champaign
sci.space	mothership for flybi and cut cost recent articl nsmca aurora alaska edu write figur that mission specif pluto larg and expens call current pluto fast flybi propos larg technolog insert take place succe mass will drop expens million for two compar nasa planetari mission basic mean design mother ship that piggi back probe for mission planet each probe ti mother ship earth case thi good and for mar mar mission can act mother ship relai point for probe thi propos work your target relaiv nearbi and requir minim delta mother ship mission main belt possibl for such mission recal paper present aiaa deisgn confer irvin februari such propos spacecraft design grad student austin mini spacecraft detatch main each visit seper asteroid and return main analysi main target for interest object for studi find that paper jeff foust dai histor analog last refug senior planetari scienc caltech peopl can grasp current jafoust cco caltech edu situat red mar jeff scn jpl nasa gov kim stanlei robinson
sci.space	vandal sky articl bdio new cso uiuc edu jbh uxa cso uiuc edu josh hopkin write rbung access digex net robert bung write vandal peopl power compani malici wast light malici impli evil intent light compani aren spoil sky don care can sell you your citi your state unshield light that wast percent light make monei never mind that your monei wast respons custom choos effici hardwar that your citi will bui that light compani will sell write letter citi hall that fine idea work light power compani even bother suppli good light fixtur for instanc power compani virginia recent ask state commiss for permiss sell light type fixtur that sold and want sell bad design that wast light you couldn even bui good light place good light you order special high cost call store arizona point societi start make rule car pass safeti test compani meet pollut standard etc two wai achiev thi educ public that demand good light forc code light compani back histori suggest that like work note that not defend light pollut origni focu thi thread space base light sourc agre won respond import for you spacer realiz that peopl will object wild idea that present congress consult astronom lover night sky you stunt boost public knowledg space josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu find make attribut hannib bob bung rbung access digex
sci.space	govern and technolgi invest articl apr aio jsc nasa gov kjenk gothamc jsc nasa gov write interest note that tool for cost control industri todai deriv govern project gantt chart and modern schedul softwar come dod project and contractor construct industri govern project pert gant process flow diagram level softwar project come schedul and cost gao determin that nasa project miss budget due fail adequ measur engin develop cost allin favor govern thought bell lab research don govern pour monei into sector engag project natur push state art thing high tech construct project apollo worth for run hte nation lab ssc grossli overweight reason project lower cost support for solo investig dire neglect throw process and you time grant you produc you can qualifi for grant you don you never thi young peopl shot reserach and older stale scientist don domin process pat
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sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai articl zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write articl apr stsci edu hathawai stsci edu write impli poster you boost orbit thi mission you don desir hst satellit low earth orbit gradual lose altitud due air drag deploi highest orbit shuttl reach for that reason occasion reboost will eventu reenter propuls system thought boost hst give push can push start cartoon kenneth repli ken blue njit edu for thi elabor simul run devic sit tabl picard tng
sci.space	report redesign team articl cohen mdc cohen ssdgwy mdc andi cohen write feed post number item not design team present option studi option modular buildup pete priest present option priest don thi will work space integr problem small modul bu modul mol bigger budget problem end stall developemnt small unders station wont scienc commun support option freedom deriv mike griffin present statu option program effeci cut cost basic problem freedom remain space integr flight build not scienc retrurn option sing launch core station chet vaughn present option singl launch core station concept shuttl extern tank and solid essentiali billion build mir had nasa lock thi design back scar support truss for real expand fly space station thi realist imho dont will power toss cdr exist hardwar and power cut and thi core launch station lot posit idea you stick hatch for experiment concept modul deriv workshop inflat modul pat oct cancel opinion sad true epitaph kill mi manag pat
sci.space	space manuev tug hst servic mission articl dvgh aph new cso uiuc edu jbh uxa cso uiuc edu josh hopkin write prb access digex net pat write wrote prb access digex net pat write data show that om engin hold propel that substanti fraction us for om burn reentri burn and reserv pat fuel altitud chang and edo pallet bu and extra part mass you can make number work interest you show that can edo pallet bu and extra equip cost don nasa land fuel budget for altitud chang henri figur mass full for edo pallet dry weight for dry mass bu classifi check last current orbit paramet hst project orbit paramet boost discoveri dry weight hst dry weight train eva month astronaut eva minim plan that had don that gener rule long train year year moth adequ second rememb had improvis intelsat attach motor piec hardwar that wasn design that shortcut train make repeat like significantli lack orbit eva experi hst design for orbit servic lot easier don month time left come plan show can work and get approv you pessimist attitud realist not that engin task imposs engin task that thi cost effect feasibl nasa manag come time project kill manag can neccessari schedul hst mission decemb not drop dead date unlik ldef retriev mission soup that mean suspect bu not basic thrust for hst boost mayu bigger tank bigger thruster understand second hst servic mission not conting understand mission foc and work electr system anoth boost smt can avoid second servic mission that million save pat that million minu cost hardwar minu cost extra struff you want bring minu develop and mangement cost minu extra oper cost tanstaafl cost expend smt will million and extra stuff real cheap nasa lot suit mmu and edo pallet usabl doubl magnum champagn coupl hundr buck pat not thi messi and reliabl devic that made perform thi task ignor point desir astronaut that door fail open can you can provid reliabl reopen door you haven solv problem that door cycl time onc massiv load can work reliabl method ensur door work sort sublim materi manag contamin mirror that vapor state shouldn adher mirror door problem can work can put time spring door hang that door part intrument safe mechan hang tomorrow month get witha crowbar fix pat
sci.space	combo propuls system difficult solar sail mission mercuri not and delta eat solar sail handl adiscoveri bu and drop into mercuri orbit good for rocket put into form polar orbit pat
sci.space	electr spacecraft magnet field earth articl bur zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write dragless satellit not magic drag burn fuel constantli fight drag maintain exact orbit drag thi quot dragless didn exactli follow dragless satellitt thread point us for laser geodesi mission triad sort navi navig bird dragless not updat orbit paramet pat
sci.space	govern and scienc and technolgi invest articl apr aio jsc nasa gov kjenk gothamc jsc nasa gov write peopl critic big govern and project rare consist view role govern scienc and technolog basic govern into role support research privat industri find expens long term histor thi role for gov forc social countri order for industri compet govern subsid foreign competitor gov role subis big ticket long lead thi had noth entri govern into support scienc relev technolog involv feder fund support state univers state fund for scientif research wwii research posit had grow steadili and fund univers and privat foundat fund not that research univers provid research low teach load laboratori assist and equip and fund for travel scientif meet not that provid and univers wish scholar had research fund salari wwii militari and defens depart found that pure scientist quit problem even not exactli area scientist expertis thi research mind approach not find solut understand problem and solut emerg thi work stage and research scientist us discuss problem job militari realiz import maintain scientist for futur and start fund pure research wwii congress unwil militari fund divert into thi invest into futur suppli scientist and set organ such nsf job set elabor procedur supposedli polit govern job privat foundat make difficult for act support research worst part feder involv that area govern support research univers will not provid fund and fact expect scholar bring net govern monei suppos case project us assist graduat student for month you happen for answer will monei nsf monei univers level thousand nsf level come thousand and like faculti member get support govern effect decid project support and govern decid that wealth spread moder number univers primarili research institut idea that school into act into and evalu scholar had evalu reseach propos research can you that research propos wish think happen investig conceal work releas result research propos todai solv fund grant find imposs find that difficult addit tomorrow unexpect research result possibl bet bright idea solv yesterdai difficult problem approach had not consid can develop thi natur beast and for vagu statement can predict not major research develop routin activ not requir minim attent good research that thi time qualiti research happen govern had never into and govern divert research thinker plodder herman rubin dept statist purdu univ west lafayett phone hrubin snap stat purdu edu internet bitnet purdu pur snap stat hrubin
sci.space	hst servic mission articl schumach convex convex schumach convex richard schumach write access digex net prb access digex net pat write contamin threat small manuev tug that shuttl and om engin apertur door will shut reboost shuttl mean that will nearbi pry door open stick origin deploy mission hst apertur door not open shuttl had land presum that boost mission hst berth orbit orbit bai door shut lot contamin worri understand that eva suit hardest thing clean don idea come that hst boost problem orbit plan chang orbit servic mission decemb ben
sci.space	project thi new group info project for class internet for good sourc inform space and astronomi notabl solar system good site can inform thi kinda stuff mail stk vax stockton edu steve newsread doesn sig address repond stk vax stockton edu adonchei faatcrl faa gov
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai articl hlinn gap caltech edu palmer cco caltech edu david palmer write you want put hubbl back payload bai for reboost and you don want clip panel each time artist render that hst reboost arrai fulli extend cradl hold hst degre angl shuttl render conceiv arrai replacemnet approv not current reboost will occur arrai deploi not doesn that arrai retract for reboost for gamma rai observatori design requir that store energi mecahn spring explos squib ga shock etc us for deploy thi partial that reel back put back payload bai and partial for safeti consider heard that wing cruis missil cut you half you stand swath open for input gro design constraint that explain similar design uar back shuttl dai cost orbit per pound design thing for easi servic heck mm project us design mission servic mind xte spacecraft origin design orbit replac for instrument modul euv that you two instrument for price spacecraft bu explor platform second orbit replac consid fuse telescop david palmer palmer alumni caltech edu palmer tgr gsfc nasa gov david gsfc
sci.space	drag free satellit sat gmt henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer dragless satellit not magic drag burn fuel constantli fight drag maintain exact orbit drag almost turn that clever orbit mechan can engin thing that reson interact higher order harmon earth gravit field can pump energi into satellit and experienc drag effect for period month year favorit exampl thi soviet russian heavi elint satellit cosmo class reson undergon two period prolong gain altitud current start june mean altitud satellit high sinc launch march element for show limit norad softwar that anoth stori thi relev space station sinc degre orbit satellit unaccept into van allen belt for man platform kind interest point view physic situat orbit element for satellit request allen thomson saic mclean opinion mine not saic
sci.space	drag free satellit articl cpva saic thomson cpva saic write sat gmt henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer dragless satellit not magic drag burn fuel constantli fight drag maintain exact orbit drag almost turn that clever orbit mechan can engin thing that reson interact higher order harmon earth gravit field can pump energi into satellit and experienc drag effect for period month year harmon earth gravit field harmon earth gravit field favorit exampl thi soviet russian heavi elint satellit cosmo class reson reson not wavelength frequenc earth gravit field interest interact moon tidal effect that you talk thi relev space station sinc degre orbit satellit unaccept into van allen belt for man platform kind interest point view physic situat physic situat can gravit effect ad energi object orbit earth sort interact moon isaac kuo isaackuo math berkelei edu twinkl twinkl sig line big
sci.space	moon imag weather sat imag afraid not find gif list updat weekli perhap miss melissa sherrin perki ac edu
sci.space	vandal sky rbung access digex net robert bung write that fine idea work light power compani even bother suppli good light fixtur for instanc power compani virginia recent ask state commiss for permiss sell light type fixtur that sold and want sell state commis state bui such process will increac overhead power compani sell type light and will decreac likleihood that will and effici light plan futur drain bad design that wast light you couldn even bui good light place good light you order special high cost call store arizona you order special peopl low cost last check you us up bui stuff arizona final your state thing small factori and machin shop you into busi make light that cheaper us higher effici and fact that aren wast energi broadcast space and style point societi start make rule car pass safeti test year plan enact plan for economi will fall apart compani meet pollut standard etc clean air act clean air two wai achiev thi educ public that demand good light forc code light compani back histori suggest that like work experi suggest that you hard educ method us american school make subject whatsoev relev and bore proto ugric sell idea agre won respond import for you spacer realiz that peopl will object wild idea that present congress consult astronom lover night sky you stunt boost public knowledg space wake space field human endeavor can long long practic space project that conceiv not lot light pollut and argu ground even open such possibl that peopl vacat mar want dark ski bob bung rbung access digex phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man
sci.space	boe tsto word chairman boe articl schumach convex convex schumach convex richard schumach write descript boe studi two stage spaceplan superson ramjet delet word boe not think reliabl expens access orbit fool exot airplan mean that boe call foresight and vision boe success todai work you call exot airplan
sci.space	will nasa mar observ imag face mar consipiraci theori watch will nasa imag cydonia region mar face can imag high resolut camera settl face question onc and for mean camera that will pixel resolut feet whether thi stuff real imagin come jpl and nasa folk imag and settl thi thing gene jackatak raider net gene wright jackatak raider net
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sci.space	and public articl bmerh bnr rivan bnr write bit scarri that such project for time year promiss hope chang current trend massiv overpr boost capabl lack public peopl involv build hardwar write press releas thi not high manpow project don spare peopl sit understand feel part project manag that public not good idea lot peopl work chang thi view success svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
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sci.space	shuttl defect bizarr ken your argument thought you big boi you tackl henri allen sherzer will doubtless chime subject stagger oper cost good luck son articl beo hsc usc edu khayash hsc usc edu ken hayashida write shuttl method free world orbit larg life scienc and medic relat packag ahem russian free world polit correct contend hope that follow eventu call will perform you state admit that skeptic will tough make succe and turn into oper orbit vehicl doubtless will fail meet promis goal reason peopl fond that chanc will for long time come develop launch vehicl radic lower cost shuttl successor fund develop nasp dwindl and al nl spacelift hell aren gonna knock zero that per pound cost part blame for thi shuttl program that consum annual billion free world space cash you will doubt hear correspond dai come attempt break viciou cycl keep develop cost low and fly increment plane hardwar mind incred success built complex prototyp dai for megabuck extrem skeptic that thi accomplish america never mind fly thing get successor fund build you that launch cost basic problem for expans astronaut don realist prospect for beat cost for multi ton payload anywher flop busi usual space nineti and doubl ought will seventi and eighti prospect depress bear pegasu repres anoth assault problem direct doesn lower cost per pound offer orbit launch for ten megabuck creat market for small payload read magazin and attend last two iaf plenti engin paper idea for cheaper launch system good ssto sign todai world that design will allow anywher assembl line you chang view you prove delet thing not prove tonight that shuttl not hiatu develop man ratabl successor strawman propos thi refer develop real world fund climat includ nasa feroci commit continu shuttl oper bird hand argument your common sens tell you fli fli alongsid shuttl not and oper descend will for wide varieti job even not man rate importantli that will open leo scientif and technic payload successor can fly payload for even cost peopl will afford payload for monei you can fly satellit big outfit can fly multi satellit seri outfit will fly spacecraft beg ride thi suppli and demand you convinc that point will true assum make big differ cost you reason not zap bill higgin fermi nation acceler laboratori bitnet higgin fnal bitnet internet higgin fnal fnal gov span hepnet higgin
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sci.space	shuttl defect bizarr articl beo hsc usc edu khayash hsc usc edu ken hayashida write spenz can you attack belov vehicl offer construct critic perhap you decid you love vehicl us put beauti aircraft rest assur wouldn even fly combat todai want access space and judg vehicl perform defect oper area life not thi degre call shuttl flight characterist bizarr post tout interest will similar defect issu wrong your wrong approach toller failur advantag greater reliabl reusabl natur shuttl isn reusabl salvag think will deploi chute revers orient superson speed flip happen low speed not superson show flip work will work law physic chang redund that real question final will fulli intact abort entir flight envelop entri for exampl can loos thrust and land safe life defect issu time agre can suffer catastroph failur that not thing shuttl simpli isn fault toler design ssto doctor can not error diagnosi and treatment recommend you don put your patient condit you wouldn for exampl give patient drug and not monitor for harm side effect you program make good sens optimist you and appar you minor seri fail make orbit will worthwhil effort will show exactli build ssto will failur natur aerospac refer will provid fulli intact abort theroughout flight envelop shuttl doesn fault toller shuttl isn successor not slate passeng carri not true build passeng pallet fairli easi thing and will carri passeng impress had visit macdac huntington beach open hous that payload space limit and man ratabl version decad suggest you talk crew origin schedul had oper fly shuttl method free world orbit larg life scienc and medic relat packag for ticket into space and support your ignor dammag mann space reput for unreli and huge expens shuttl support make easi for oppon man space kill you chang view you prove prove thing build allen ladi astor sir you husband poison your coffe churchil madam you wife drink dai flight dcx
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sci.space	and public articl bmerh bnr rivan bnr write bit scarri that such project for time year promiss hope chang current trend massiv overpr boost capabl lack public that chang month hope will coupl hundr journalist request press pass for test flight sustain that public will problem allen ladi astor sir you husband poison your coffe churchil madam you wife drink dai flight dcx
sci.space	soyuz and shuttl comparison articl gari gari coffman write rough guess that year shuttl deliv leo saturn year care defin payload and propuls and spacecraft structur shuttl lift satellit upper stage payload ten saturn flight year deliv leo roughli shuttl flight year saturn lift shuttl cost orbit year dollar higher pretti term cost pound resurect saturn cost per pound develop cost time cheaper shuttl allen ladi astor sir you husband poison your coffe churchil madam you wife drink dai flight dcx
sci.space	henri spencer cam hawk adi master write etoyoc leland stanford edu aaron thode write track sci space for quit question mysteri figur call henri spencer space commun question somewhat toung cheek sci space hobbi job for you you eat sleep toronto zoologi depart conduct space research you us account curiou aaron henri spencer respons for part cnew and internet relat thing quit gui onya henri thi question come frequent that faq thierri lach curli thierri sycom org includ std disclaim suffici superior technolog indistingush magic
sci.space	life mar articl fpoinnqo exodu eng sun jmck norg eng sun john mckernan write inform discov recent microscop fossil found rock theori that thi life that destroi period intens meteorit bombard that featur earli solar system thi theori life origin earth multipl time multipl meteorit bombard and condit for creation life cannot that thi badli report new evid that sign life found rock predat put planet steril event argument that life aros shortli last steril event easili form infer that life origin and destroi evid that even thi argument flaw that origin life requir specif condit composit atmospher that not last for long perhap life form earli had chanc not like that life origin condit paul dietz dietz rochest edu
sci.space	for planet map jbh uxa cso uiuc edu josh hopkin write tel dunix drake edu tim spock larson write can topograph map mar venu terrestri bodi us nation geograph map apollo and vike era peopl geolog survei map not address offic middl left coast middlefield road menlo park josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu find make attribut hannib dick wilmot editor independ raid report
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sci.space	soyuz and shuttl comparison articl ofa fidonet org david anderman ofa fidonet org write reveal comparison shuttl and soyuz cost comparison appl and orang maximu thi statement for reason cost comparison depend lot whether two option similar and becom reveal differ can soyuz launch long exposur facil not will shuttl televis relai leo year end almost not russian pretti good make space access tight schedul compar and point that two activ space launcher and work platform resourc similar and differ direct competit market econom come into plai tombak employ opinion not emploi
sci.space	anoth irrit reliev doctor vindic articl schumach convex convex schumach convex richard schumach write thi revers polar crap bug hell found actual live real life exampl work quot aviat week and space technolog for juli page colonel charl stirl speak problem fuel bubbl format titan aerojet engin engin nasa jet propuls laboratori had run into problem and suggest that air forc effect aerozen decomposit fix flown time incid revers inlet and outlet portion hot ga cooler onc life imit art discuss st tether experi ran forward suck energi earth magnet field trivial slow shuttl run backward ran electr tether trivial propel shuttl faster even exampl come mind thi electron gui craig anderton don lancast ten year ago wrote invent light detector run current hundr time rate and glow legal right thi design combin fiber optic emitt receiv thi turn basic unit att plan bring brazil commun system into centuri articl legal wrangl compani that eventu compens for invent tombak that real name employ opinion not emploi
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sci.space	vandenberg launch articl mri paulc mri paul carrol write phone number etc kennedi canaver launch inform equival find launch vandenberg bear mind that lot vandenberg launch traffic militari and semi secret aren interest public svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	henri spencer articl aie hansk aie han kinwel write god you dare post pose question spencer time ago email never receiv respons apolog your mail pile that arriv sick month ago repli will eventu interview spencer magazin photograph even program want you count interview amateur computerist histori netnew disqualifi tac budget doesn run reproduc photo svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	life earth articl julian uwo jdnicol prism cc uwo jame davi nicol write articl kcx cmu edu msu edu tom write evid that trend greater speci divers time major extinct event and isn clear that divers year ago necessarili greater million year ago burst speci divers can cambrian and ordovician explos result vast increas anim divers likewis two punch permian and triassic extinct number marin anim rose steadili time high prior spread human biggest except bye bye dino extinct famili plant aros green alga and colon land succes sweep moss colon wet environ fern had evolv vascular tissu territori evolv eventu replac gymnosperm pine and and displac angiosperm flower plant domin plant group planet fungi radiat greatli invas land carbonifer famili triassic famili start cretac rise famili unclear max equilibrium number speci earth can hold and hit thi past warn specul alert that divers never reach peak mass extinct happen total number thi depend great deal fragment specif ecosystem cowen book histori life for not technic run titl sez histori life wilson divers life for view center current ecolog thi imho popular biologi book hell time jame nicol follow up chri colbi email colbi bio edu boi you descend long line determin resourc microscop tadpol champion kurt vonnegut galapago
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sci.space	henri spencer sat gmt hansk aie han kinwel han repli whether space shuttl connect han usenet main flow inform han henri spencer aboard case main han flow inform gene miya that henri will never aloft shuttl payload bai isn big for chocol chip cooki henri dryden pretti covet and even don cooki space guess figur that manag for short flight mari shafer dod kotfr nasa dryden flight research facil edward shafer rigel dfrf nasa gov don speak for nasa mig your six mig unknown fighter pilot
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sci.space	white sand interest note past dai correspond that that poor mexico not capabl host commerci space launch busi for reason can and front line reason not spaceport polit public refer dai had intend effect state mexico establish start govern infrastructur back commerci space port command gener wsmr full support dual us for facil wsmr locat strateg advantag form infrastructur and control air space support project folk involv not tradit aerospac equival vapor ware invit folk kick exist tire job prepar for launch don that noth happen interact macdac folk impress that want set firm believ launch date base vehicl readi and not fiction plug space calendar that will happen thi summer and don worri local plan occur stephen horan shoran nmsu edu
sci.space	space market boycott york time sundai week review section report group call space market atlanta georgia plan put mile wide reflect earth orbit satelit will larg and bright moon and carri sort advertis editori thi time tuesdai upset thi feel that global boycott involv such project good idea perhap made illeg countri world agre david relev messag found net webb tsavo hk peter webb newsgroup sci space subject stop sky vandal date gmt organ hk inc distribut world you don want space market put orbit billboard write call and you write your congresspeopl space market can reach attn mike lawson public relat dept space market atmbre suit rosewel peter webb webb hk hibbitt karlsson sorensen inc voic main pawtucket fax altern you find client will and you feel newsgroup sci astro sci space sci misc sci environ talk environ klae verga enet dec larri klae subject light pollut space ad inform keyword light pollut advertis organ digit equip corpor date thu gmt dave crawford crawford noao edu execut director intern dark sky associ ida inform you can write regard propos billboard sky and ask post karen brown center for studi commerci connecticut avenu suit washington telephon fax note that involv whatsoev csc larri klae klae verga enet dec decwrl verga enet dec klae klae verga dec decwrl enet dec klae verga enet dec uunet net univers noth well ejasa editor astronom societi atlant kjenk gothamc jsc nasa gov newsgroup sci space subject vandal sky date gmt distribut sci organ nasa jsc space shuttl program offic newsread tin version post algol jsc nasa gov baub flb flb optiplan wrote that roughli akin anaconda strip mine grand canyon that strip mine can boldli strip mine technolog mine mean profit and profit mean technolog advanc ment and technog advanc mean prosper and pro periti mean happi and hell grand canyon space advertis low earth orbit short term order year orbit decai higher orbit last longer advertis will awar environment aspect advertis fred argument roughli akin that bad cut tree shouldn advertis newspap that fred pictur thi space billboard larg inflat structur fill bio degrad foam ga scoop space debri orbit clean space environ and bring you paus that refresh time larg drag coeffici will orbit safe burn year embed foam structur small entri vehicl not burn entri contain electron and propuls system refurbish and us space scienc experi propos and built high school student advertis sponsor scienc fair advertis bui time billboard surfac made tini mirror control avion packag avion can reconfigur mirror reflect messag part globe clever program languag countri orbit night mirror turn perpendicular surfac and small light reveal light spell messag for ken jenk nasa jsc space shuttl program offic kjenk gothamc jsc nasa gov men planet earth set foot moon juli peac for mankind
sci.space	space market wonderful fox graphic nyu edu david fox write york time sundai week review section report group call space market atlanta georgia plan put mile wide reflect earth orbit satelit will larg and bright moon and carri sort advertis editori thi time tuesdai reali thi idea wonderful such big bright satelit night sky will even promis bui product advertis thi project write space market and encourag thi project sadli dosent monei invest congresspeopl space market can reach attn mike lawson public relat dept space market atmbre suit rosewel space advertis low earth orbit short term order year orbit decai higher orbit last longer advertis will awar environment aspect advertis fred argument roughli akin that bad cut tree shouldn advertis newspap that fred pictur thi space billboard larg inflat structur fill bio degrad foam ga scoop space debri orbit clean space environ and bring you paus that refresh time larg drag coeffici will orbit safe burn year embed foam structur small entri vehicl not burn entri contain electron and propuls system refurbish and us space scienc experi propos and built high school student advertis sponsor scienc fair advertis bui time billboard surfac made tini mirror control avion packag avion can reconfigur mirror reflect messag part globe clever program languag countri orbit night mirror turn perpendicular surfac and small light reveal light spell messag for ken jenk nasa jsc space shuttl program offic kjenk gothamc jsc nasa gov men planet earth set foot moon juli peac for mankind magnu redin lysat academ comput societi redin lysat liu mail magnu redin rydsv gen link ping sweden phone sweden answer machin and
sci.space	space market wonderful sens that folk idea wonder and folk want boycott thi project that that space advertis interest idea and power compani discov that cost launch not cost advertis and compani gaug that ill will lose revenu advertis gain decid bow project incens read that carl sagan call thi idea abomin don that word mean think children starv richest countri world abomin agenc worst poor tast tom courtnei
sci.space	space market wonderful articl world std vi world std tom courtnei write incens read that carl sagan call thi idea abomin don that word mean think children starv richest countri world abomin agenc worst poor tast tom courtnei don that idea mean you earth subject agenc poor tast abomin abomin loath odiou degrad habit act object disgust oxford concis dictionari you don mind part your life satur commerci loath not beauti night sky mar giant billboard and bet idea virtual sacrilegi astronom sagan reid cooper
sci.space	space market wonderful wcsbeau superior carleton opirg write don that idea mean you earth subject agenc poor tast abomin suffer street hoard you don watch you free commerci you want you cannot escap beer ad loath not beauti night sky mar giant billboard and bet idea virtual sacrilegi astronom sagan time stop thi propos thi idea thin end wedg compani will larger and perman billboard sky wouldn want world decad sky la vega that make sad coca cola compani will want paint moon red and white not thi moon moon jupit microscum will want name galaxi microscum galaxi draw line histor mankind not good draw fine line extrem enthusiast form resourc alloc for space research import invest for mankind long run thi not monei an ajai shah ajayshah rcf usc edu
sci.space	govern and scienc and technolgi invest articl pgf srl cac usl edu pgf srl cac usl edu phil fraer write mccolm darwin math usf edu gregori mccolm write articl rice edu conor owlnet rice edu conor frederick prischmann write articl srfii suntan eng usf edu mccolm darwin math usf edu gregori mccolm write huh state your criteria for select greatest philosoph titl read nietzsch greatest like rememb hundr year admit that that make person favorit not that great make comment nietzch remark that immanuel kant interpret that cryptic remark you peopl append that remark that nietzch kant thankfulli haven read comment tell read nietzch that greatest philosoph titl plato sinc enterpris philosophi essenti defin answer wrong definit identifi import question descart that philosophi footnot plato choos philosoph made import advanc human knowledg lifetim that simpl aristotl thi case that simpli refer philosoph nietzsch entertain sinc idea fragment and sinc life cut short doubt that influenc philosoph like extens year read year for modern philosoph that kant influenti sinc had such strong influenc almost and maintain error and amplifi time that influenti american philosoph dewei question philosoph will highli regard year ayn rand import respect american born russia guess that remain brian
sci.space	life mar articl tdbunew teradata swf elsegundoca ncr write you fred hoyl reject big bang and propos infinit univers model life start planet seed outer space life didn fred hoyl abandon steadi state theori bruce watson wat scicom alphacdc
sci.space	philosophi quest boldli articl sti kinnoq gap caltech edu palmer cco caltech edu david palmer write gari gari coffman write lack skeleton mean that muscl activ resist graviti time land suppli balanc forc that mean that energi requir for creatur function bone suppli leverag point for push and later movement that you don find larg activ boneless creatur land hydraul can make rigid tube energi requir for support hydraul creatur produc larg forc weak muscl principl hydraul jack lever thi thing true that hydraul pressur tube can somewhat rigid unpressur tube even psi level hydraul hose will bend easili straight compress strength high and torsion resist increas practic nil grasp member doubt that hydraul leverag exist natur tree root exampl time can shatter concret osmot pressur increas interest note that land creatur two leg leg tini insect leg never leg that stabl configur can argu that leg creatur kangaroo leg specif number limb creatur accid evolut hard make structur panda thumb finger ancestor each hand thumb modifi wristbon modifi finger and extra finger common extra limb fulli function kangaroo limb don you view that tail limb monkei and kangaroo limb tail kind structur grossli enlarg case kangaroo primarili instrument balanc locomot don panda thumb oppos thermodynam consider surfac volum relationship dictat that activ complex creatur stai size rang similar inch tall intellig alien larger eleph can lemur brontosauru intellig that brontosauru mythic beast produc put head anoth dinosaur apatosauru space alien mythic won flat that can intellig bring coupl line argument bear show don like that intellig mean complex behavior respons situat level greater human tool us and tool build assum suitabl manipul present creatur alter enviro plan will that not univers complet definit intellig will suffic for put technolog alien exactli make brain capabl thought gener accept that criteria level complex thi gener determin number neuron cell and interconnect creatur size lemur wouldn neuron support complex thought thi argument consider clear case dinosaur room for larg brain indic that develop reason thi true neuron speed electrochem messag that trigger neuron requir time propag thi make difficult for highli complex central brain coordin movement larg creatur select pressur for such brain simpler distribut network evolv thi doesn rule intellig dinosaur point that direct thermodynam argument tini creatur lemur eat frequent intern heat rapidli lost due high surfac volum ratio contend that creatur that spend time and energi feed won time develop and exercis intellig that argument somewhat weak dinosaur problem revers moder heat product high volum surfac ratio make tend retain wast heat assum that temperatur rang optim for chemic reactiv reason for product neuron function creatur tend maintain regul temperatur rang that human carbon base that rule cold blood creatur potenti home intellig peopl contend that dinosaur warm blood for creatur size brontosaur activ level restrain prone gener intern steam explos wast heat whale similar size can reject heat ocean effici sink air suspect that for intellig manifest degre activ interact environ monkei curious doubt larg dinosaur capabl that activ gari gari coffman you make gatech mei gari destruct test system break uunet rsiatl gari shannon guarante emori gari lawrencevil
sci.space	shuttl defect bizarr articl mksol dseg mccall mksol dseg fred mccall write hmmm not requir for ship not sinc ship doesn hurt peopl ship and invest plane spacecraft can make quit nasti mess ground land inappropri place magnitud loss life moro castl and titan disast can you can blith fred lng tanker break close harbor you can kiss quit lot popul thing for chemic tanker coast guard make mandatori safeti equip check watercraft us thi excus make narcot search warrant suspect that commerci craft certif similiar scope air worthi certif dot pat
sci.space	excess shuttl critic shuttl defect bizarr articl stephen ngi stephen geod emr dave stephenson write had and mention that aviat you found adjust spanner your tool box you can fire adjust spanner fit nut fit properli and damag demand environ air adjust wrench rightli consid lethal instrument dave recal air craft maintenc torqqu and safeti wire cotter import bolt face nick bad shape you replac anoth aircraft grade bolt can adjust spanner eat profit live pat
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sci.space	space market wonderful fcrari ucsu colorado edu frank crari write sagan consid sacrilegi that wouldn doubtful credibl astronom modern ground base visibl light astronomi propos orbit billboard upset dy field opac and distort caus atmospher driven field us radio infrar space base telescop keck telescop hawaii pictur good hubbl for tini fraction cost case bright point light pass field doesn ruin observ that case thousand exist satellit satelliet not bright ey astronomi concern extrem bright that thi orbit space junk will brighter full moon moon upset deep sky observ sky and not scatter light thi problem two week happen thi billboard circl minut good time frank crari boulder matt kennel mbk inl ucsd edu institut for nonlinear scienc univers california san diego archiv for nonlinear dynam paper program ftp lyapunov ucsd edu usernam anonym
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soc.religion.christian	ethnic worship jerryl payn write sublim cultur for sake you perceiv uniti antithet messag inclus that you preach agre except that don preach ignor cultur bodi unifi question melt pot boil ourselv legitim express stew maintain textur integr express divers uphold uniti thought releas church us latin mass uniti speak peopl common languag divers revel that centuri church congreg each major citi unifi church each citi peopl cultur natur form stew member heritag nevertheless bodi met togeth sometim smaller group home and sometim bigger group place such templ court citi and you will find that common languag associ that region for instanc rome latin spoken unit state todai english spoken make sens that congreg citi speak common languag and not necessarili latin natur you expect lead evangelist preach common languag centuri church peopl congreg speak tongu translat messag for peopl foreign ethnic group todai you don peopl speak tongu translat sermon even call pentacost church modern dai equival lingual speaker unifi church member sometim call intern church christ meet togeth sundai headphon peopl don speak english hear ongo translat sermon nativ tongu neat idea huh meet size group random sort sundai sometim will meet haitian spanish speak peopl for exampl will hear evangelist preach nativ languag addit meet small group coupl time week for bibl discuss group and devot speak languag will almost peopl speak languag assum congreg larg for meet for peopl speak common languag can touch cultur want will equal deep friendship church relationship peopl nation purpos church thwart thi action action let cathol worship nativ languag latin not second paragraph respons second clip your articl you mean action form denomin base cultur purpos church thwart assum second possiblil answer your clip enhanc for paul exhort becom that reach person group peopl feel comfort not give place can feel comfort heritag and ov god guess aaron you met peopl help proud cultur heritag denomin didn you larg isol qualiti christian friendship your nation and your denomin give peopl place feel comfort heritag will thi that not destroi church uniti encourag friendship discipl thi approach group that you cite sound group wonder intent thing wrong and name african methodist episcop church make cring not understand that racism past that caus such group form unit that hard for peopl thi newsgroup imagin bodi peopl earth quit and work make happen smaller step uniti take word african your denomin name perhap somedai long time you can remov methodist episcop part and simpli part church regard inclus note tht your sig emit mit you tute religi and cultur diversifi and not come immedi comfort english american cultur conduct campu church church for sake uniti organ kcf help student america make transit cultur languag and thought church for sake uniti and help student america make transit cultur languag and thought shouldn make denomin solv problem denomin mindset problem sadli am church retain african cutlur root express mean exclus sinc you live cambridg invit you visit local assembl you for invit that show that you heart spread gospel jesu part your cultur heritag you for respond post can time consum idea celebr your cultur pave good intent feel that you restor and preserv uniti time church boston church acapella sing that you mention your post doesn limit express mexican cultur even mit campu ministri and not spanish speak zone made commit god that will sundai servic church that brother and sister fulli devot love for god discipl don tongu you pick understand biblic christian will visit your congreg provid that doesn interfer normal worship sinc you live cambridg extend invit you visit servic you you can meet mit student student center across mass av sundai leav for worship simpli call wednesdai night find servic will held dai number will week and for rest summer servic last noon occasion earlier time per year strive reach gospel mean move milk meat petti thing world that tempor separ will dissolv and stand nake realiz that god shed grace delight creation strive grow obedi lord men and women god heart aaron bryce cardena net net mit undergradu student aaron cardena environment engin snail mass av aaronc athena mit edu mail cambridg good for two week speak anoth psalm hymn and spiritu song sing and make music your heart lord give god father for name lord jesu christ ephesian
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christiani articl atho rutger edu todd nickel laurentian write question interpret vers establish reason for not believ thi true base interpret scriptur come grip interpret homosexuy wrong vers can interpret read and surround text christ love bryan
soc.religion.christian	mari assumpt articl atho rutger edu brian finnerti bfinnert chaph usc edu write last point cathol attempt explain cathol doctrin assumpt assert connect belief that mari not die thi not correct summari cathol dogma assumpt carefulli phrase avoid whether mari not die fact consensu cathol theologian that mari fact die thi make sens christ di and mother wait foot cross want share death articl good short summari tradit christian teach death mari good question virgin mari micheal walker tell stori add that eastern orthodox church celebr dormit fall asleep theotoko mother god icon for thi dai show mari ly bed surround apostl weep christ resurrect glori hold small child thi fact mari soul christ heaven assumpt mari confirm for christian that christ conquer death forshadow gener resurrect last dai discipl not surpris find mari bodi miss grave mother savior christian gave birth word god not for not save thi prai orthodox church prayer theotoko savior save timothi richardson rich student umn edu
soc.religion.christian	hell articl atho rutger edu mdw cbnewsg att mark wuest write articl atho rutger edu shellgat llo psi larri overack write you knew doubt that hell not exist and that unbeliev simpli remain dead you remain christian interest question esp sinc rememb wish heart that thi true that wouldn good christian anymor christian terribl hard reward heaven and sometim good accept want you knew thi doubt you foolish discipl man claim exist truth you can not jesu discipl and disagre time not allow your lord jesu for sinc found month ago not want lose period that origin interpret christ never mention sheol and weep and gnash teeth christ preach that not follow di and stai dead and that point forev ceas exist fear base religion not faith relationship made follow christ great live life and care happen die buddhist great live life not convert that can complet christ you that buddhist can complet jen includ stdisclaim jenk microsoft msdo test
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari articl geneva rutger edu new cbnewsk att write basic teach infal hold that pope infal matter faith and doctrin colleg bishop likewis infal and laiti not exactli correct nice cathol doctrin infal refer freedom error teach univers church matter faith moral thi teach doctrin randal lee nichola mandock catechist prism gatech edu
soc.religion.christian	save turn that paragraph oft us platitud can count time heard common tactic anymor you not that doesn chang fact that true analog trust your parent sheesh point parent can show children that that differ capabl alon crush that analog fact christian turn belief seek fact knowledg can and evid for belief can christian receiv christian had problem ask explain actual evid not you person not specif somewhat miracul exampl truth god work follow soemth that happen for year accid had sever complic tripl fractur left leg and surgeri pin put remov bone perfectli heal infectoin that detect constant pain and ankl and foot swollen and bluish complicatio develop leg explain specialist and sophist test northern illinoi region explain durin gthat summer june exact gave life and heart christ and vow relinquish control life never had for cross and fact that life screw fix face possibl lifetim wheelchair confin order save leg damag sinc problem unknown had for month that dai found or coincident that week put faith mouth long line doctor and not even orthopeod specialist diagnos problem difficulti set path effect cure and walk and run pain that had stop that for year diagnosi felt doctor overlook perfectli obviou test result thi doesn hit you miracul imagin activ year told not walk mcuh longer and happi year can danc and run know that problem and reveal knew song god awesom god
soc.religion.christian	satan toung articl geneva rutger edu marka hcx ssd csd harri mark ashlei write cite articl geneva rutger edu mmh dc qmw matthew huntbach simpl test peopl can speak languag chines russian german english gift start speak toungu audienc understand gift nativ languag gift can hear speak languag work everytim thi thread start silli such nonsens not belong and hurt read post thi issu chose whetev want not allow defin christian part you that not vice versa not give plai joke your belief that your miracl not work you designet and even you collect group peopl you describ reason your miracl happen god miracl not human head for goal path rememb that spend etern togeth can not stand your view earth can possibl stand spend etern togeth you tongu question belief not wether you jesu you that give you thi gift gift mention bibl evid bibl that peopl not accept gift perhap gift glorifi god perhap wit real miracl peopl receiv spiritu gift interest glorifi glorifi god don thi case not suggest that gift fake bibl you will find that jesu not miracl that noth father tell perhap woulkd for live that exampl bjorn mail mail bjorn larsen bjorn larsen delab sintef sintef delab trondheim tel norwai fax
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept marida ignacio write angel gabriel hail mari full grace lord you bless art thou women even mari confus thi greet explan for reaction angel greet that grasp angel get that mother messiah and knew thi entail suffer thi gave moment paus
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin consequ origin sin cathol that adam primarili lost sin for and human race sanctifi grace thi basic share divin life rock and make talk god human sanctifi grace similar make such live plane that power creatur thi everlast life that testament speak christ restor thi life sanctifi grace human race institut sacrament mean thi life peopl and increas foster absenc sanctifi grace death mean automat exclus heaven natur heaven such that imposs for human part gift sanctifi grace us exampl take that rock and attempt hold convers rock cannot talk can human be live heaven sanctifi grace thi appli equal infant adult sinc soul infant baptiz cannot enter into heaven thi form life cannot enter into heaven turn infant baptism good support evid for cathol belief sanctifi grace baptism chang infant soul reason insist practic infant baptism practic apostl and part church shortli thereaft evid for infant baptism testament cor act act for that discipl apostl john baptiz infant polycarp remark make act martyrdom justin martyr mention men and women baptiz infant direct evid irenaeu heresi and tertullian baptism mention year lord death that start ton evid for practic
soc.religion.christian	ancient canon roman rite juxtaposit part ancient text sacramenti attribut ambros milan and canon tradit cathol mass roman rite conclus thi comparison that central part tradit roman canon fairli place late centuri mass western rite reverend dom fernand cabrol abbot farnborough permiss excerpt chapter mass rome seventh centuri paragraph end book not long line joe buehler text sacramenti roman canon roman canon english translat igitur omit memento domin communicant hanc igitur oblationem fac nobi inquit sacerdo quam oblationem deu thou god deign hanc oblationem ascriptam omnibu quaesumu bless offer and ratam rationabilem benedictam adscriptam make approv acceptabilem quod figura ratam rationabilem effect and est corpori sanguini acceptabilemqu facer wholli pleas jesu christi digneri nobi corpu that becom sangui fiat dilectissimi for good bodi filii tui domini nostri jesu and blood thy dearli christi belov son jesu christ lord qui pridi quam pateretur qui pridi quam pateretur dai sancti manibu sui accepit panem sancta suffer bread into accepit panem respexit venerabil manu sua holi and vener caelum sanct pater elevati oculi ccelum hand and rais omnipoten aetern deu deum patrem suum ey heaven gratia agen benedixit omnipotentem tibi gratia thee god almighti fregit fractum quae agen benedixit fregit father give apostoli sui discipuli deditqu discipuli sui thee bless broke sui tradidit dicen dicen accipit and gave accipit edit hoc manduc hoc omn hoc discipl omn hoc est enim corpu est enim corpu meum and eat thi meum quod pro multi for thi bodi confringetur similit etiam calicem simili modo postquam manner postquam caenatum est caenatum est accipien supper take pridi quam pateretur hunc praeclarum calicem thi goodli chalic accepit respexit sancta venerabil manu into holi and caelum sanct pater sua item tibi gratia vener hand omnipoten aetern deu agen benedixit deditqu give thee gratia agen benedixit discipuli sui dicen bless and gave apostoli sui discipuli accipit bibit discipl sui tradidit dicen omn hic est enim calix and drink accipit bibit hoc sanguini mei novi thi for thi omn hic est enim sangui aeterni testamenti chalic blood meu mysterium fidei qui pro and etern coven vobi pro multi mysteri faith effundetur remissionem shed for peccatorum you and for forgiv sin haec quotiescumqu fecer you mei memoriam facieti thing memori you ergo memor gloriosissima und memor domin no mind eju passioni inferi servi tui sed pleb tua lord not resurrectioni caelum sancta ejusdem christi bless passion ascensioni offerimu tibi filii tui domini nostri tam christ thy son hanc immaculatam hostiam beata passioni necnon lord hunc panem sanctum inferi resurrectioni resurrect calicem vita aeterna sed caelo gloriosa dead and final ascensioni offerimu gloriou ascens into praeclara majestati tuae heaven thy minist tui doni dati hostiam thy holi peopl puram hostiam sanctam offer thy suprem hostiam immaculatam panem majesti gift sanctum vita aeterna bestow calicem saluti perpetua pure victim holi victim perfect victim holi bread life etern and chalic unend salvat petimu precamur supra quae propitio and thi thou deign hanc oblationem suscipia sereno vultu respicer regard graciou and sublimi altari tuo per manu digneri accepta haber kindli attent and hold angelorum tuorum sicut sicuti accepta haber accept thou didst susciper dignatu munera dignatu munera pueri tui deign accept pueri tui justi abel justi abel sacrificium offer abel thy sacrificium patriarcha patriarcha nostri abraha servant and nostri abraha quod tibi quod tibi obtulit summu sacrific abraham obtulit summu sacerdo sacerdo tuu melchisedech patriarch and that melchisedech sanctum sacrificium thy chief priest immaculatam hostiam melchisedech offer thee holi sacrific and spotless victim supplic rogamu humbl implor omnipoten deu jube haec thee almighti god bid perferri per manu sancti offer ang tui sublim altar brought hand tuum conspectu divina thy holi angel thy majestati tuae etc altar face thy divin majesti etc doubt that two edit text and that sacramenti localis upper itali and date year ancient wit possess princip part roman canon sacramentari time seventh centuri question whether roman canon not older even that sacramenti discuss liturgiologist mgr batiffol thi opinion contrari that bear trace closer composit carefulli guard orthodoxi and that text correct sacramenti studi list name memento live and that dead that mgr batiffol argu good reason that can date fragment pontif symmachu state roman mass chief part canon begin fourth centuri
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu fil sapienza med umich edu fil sapienza write interest find peopl becom atheist believ god god convers group sens anger hostil don mean impli that atheist angri hostil motiv for give faith atheism result broken ness field thi believ and follow christ experi religion haven that posit fact point life for dai simpli couldn exist god back troubl had fall into two categori impuls unbelief that result logic contradict and impuls unbelief that result frustrat god categori doesn occur anymor work argument for exist god back problem and struggl faith continu can stubborn and mean stubborn stubbor thing stand atheism time time fail second categori aris long term person difficulti and struggl live life god live live life god live good exampl thi struggl radic christian meet not fire for chirst and don want nevertheless not lukewarm faith don fit mainstream quit natur feel lot anxieti disloc christian societi and can lead lot intern tension want anoth part believ that want wrong christian quit natur thi tension destruct effect relationship god and thi intern strife atheism sit promis land rule respons live expect complet freedom illus nevertheless appeal illus call peopl god behav total twit can easili understand that rout and hostil come back imho christian turn atheist activ hostil christian experi christ and god wasn peac mind control and shut and you told for you god will and you young god will courtesi christ overzeal follow final reason peopl becom atheist christian not good reput thing that attract peopl christian ancient dai love that christian had for anoth and world unlik rest world christian commun activ care for poor and christian rich not trod back poorer brother bent christian for live exemplari live even thought traitor state wouldn sacrific empor nowadai courtesi media and christian leader lost christ power peopl christian sexual repress hippocrit busibodi want remak societi into facist version moral view lot reason peopl becom atheist don time into tom ault
soc.religion.christian	god moral and massacr jek nih gov jame kiefer write stuff delet point wrong joseph brother wrong juda wrong intend for evil god bring good that not make subject condemn and punish second point god will bring good not good that brought serbian had refrain sin robberi and rape and murder good purpos excus duti you that god exercis direct control influenc human doesn control thought action take whether intend for evil not and turn into good that thi idea conflict belief that god gave human free will can determin imposs reconcil two idea god exert influenc anytim imped free will you that god not give complet and unab free will sort condit free will that make choic and control live god us fulfil good purpos harden heart control hear alot peopl event catastrophi thing aid epidem and make comment god will difficult time understand peopl that god control that happen thi planet possibl ask prayer bibl pharoah mose peopl two plagu god harden heart mose cast plagu egyptian last plagu caus death innoc children god imped pharoah free will and us puppet god thi not free hebrew free sort grand fashion suppos hebrew point view thi turn bad into good egyptian didn thi your exampl god turn bad into good base show favort group peopl anoth good base your point view god suppos god human plai favorit
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu muirm argon ga organpip uug arizona edu maxwel muir write you give amatu psysocholog candor happi proven wrong problem will proven wrong sound broken you absolut not journei lukewarm christian agnostic atheism agnostic and faith christian path jeff johnson jcj tellab
soc.religion.christian	revel babylon woo had interpret figur whore babylon rev unit state america mho figur fallen spiritu power corrupt and oppress human societi histor jerusalem histor rome dare suggest that passag layer mean propheci reveal god judgement corrupt idolatr state oppress chosen peopl that god judgement extend onc chosen citi despit that citi special call reject god grace decis time rev isn rev equal suggest rome jerusalem that usofa guilti crime rome babylon and equal subject god judgement that good book encompass viewpoint reveal corrupt spiritu power war mankind societi that creat clever huh flame argu mari view lot sens deliber contrast rev and rev mortal jerusalem chosen god never histor fulfil vocat and jerusalem perfect histori pure god grace detail rev sit water rev singl stream jersualem river life flow throne god and lamb rex didn understand your post relev babylonian mysteri religion thi elabor your idea book rev you freak idea primarili spiritu interpret rev mail can unknown illeg user reflex fnal fnal gov you not tell
soc.religion.christian	question hell basi idea hell place etern suffer biblic refer train thought god earth manufactur heavenli be logic that yield and amount wast yield heaven and wast burn destroi hell punish wast destroi peac and joi dale wyttenbach
soc.religion.christian	monophysit and mike walker articl atho rutger edu nabil cae wisc edu nabil ayoub write final note orient orthodox and eastren orthodox sign common statement christolog heresei monophysit condemn coptic orthodox church not monophysit thi point that overlook end year schism sight theologian that differ fundament terminolog and that christolog faith group parish concelebr eucharist and southern africa run joint theolog train for coptic and byzantin orthodox thing sort copt concern ecumen council whili byzantin orthodox acknowledg steve hay depart missiolog editori depart univ south africa box pretoria south africa internet hayesstw risc unisa fidonet steve hay fidonet org faq missiolog studi christian mission and part faculti theologi unisa
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu write think that homosexu and christian compat check roman corinthian timothi jude peter gen lev name vers that pertain homosexu wouldn that for sin father told grow cathol not allow associ divorc vers prohibit divorc divorc accept even catholic anul longer sin associ divorc person point that each person temptat deal paul repeatedli talk thorn side refer lust pride thorn appar not compat christian that make epistl bibl warn judg greed anxieti impur thought bear grudg etc etc suppos seek call christian entertain impur thought and oust greed outta jesu point that physician for sinner attempt make homosexu feel unwelcom discomfort homosexu incompat christian hatr deep that becom closer jesu jesu screen guilti sin mistrust jesu can forgiv sin peopl jesu encount sinner and pharise sinner embrac and forgav pharise hypocritc unmerci righteou point sin and not seek and not gain forgiv sin thi and vers that not admit sin sin will not forgiven and sinc guilti even sin guilti law not repent judg guilti guilti commit sin judg poor spirit meek humbl merci pure heart peacemak thirst for justic suffer for sake bless joe moor
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ articl atho rutger edu jwindlei cheap utah edu jai windlei write interpret christian histori thi matter recal that gnostic written enemi eusebiu claim that jesu impart secret inform peter jame and john resurrect and that apostl transmit that inform rest twelv eusebiu historia ecclesiastica thi curiou read lord impart gift knowledg jame john and peter resurrect deliv rest apostl and seventi barnaba eusebiu ecclesiast histori that lord impart gift knowledg not that lord impart secret inform apostl interestingli eusebiu refer group todai call gnostic promulg fals gnosi eusebiu cit iii gripe not that thai profess gnosi that had wrong afraid that cannot find thi portray don anywher eusebiu mention that gnostic had wrong gnosi closest eusebiu summar hegesippu statement whilst that attempt pervert sound doctrin save gospel skulk dark retreat can approach thi and such evid wai don intend that interpret christian histori that evid exist favor interpret earli christian rite analog practic mormon todai favor interpret two refer that you gave handi irenaeu and clemetin recognit will for room for such interpret and such interpret fall short equival templ ceremoni link for jai for support impart gift knowledg impart secret inform secret sign and token gain entranc heaven not equival idea for call thi favor interpret appear closer fabric robert weiss psyrobtw ubvm buffalo edu
soc.religion.christian	mormon belief bastard articl atho rutger edu erh tesla njit edu write enlighten mormon church view children born wedlock interest stigma attach children oppos parent keen learn not prohibit mormon faith bastard enter heaven name enter big genealog book mormon salt lake citi thi issu offici posit chang time interest learn and belief mail post fine inform pointer appreci sinc wife your gentl term bastard can speak bit author thi stigma associ children conceiv and born wedlock rest sole parent commit sexual transgress for repent child priori limit concept blame child for parent sin mormon find appal note that ld theologi reject origin sin term defin and subsequ for infant baptism moroni book mormon ld doctrin step and case hold parent respons for children sin fail bring properli note that thi passag appli member ld church note that big genealog book salt lake citi ld church massiv storag facil nearbi mountain contain microfilm vital statist record birth christen baptism marriag death gather entir world misrememb record for billion peopl that vault time ld church build line genealog databas case kind worthi screen whether can enter potenti issu that establish parent and that appli case databas bruce bruce webster love constitut thi land cto page softwar inc hate damn rascal that bwebster page administ import page disclaim attribut brigham young arriv separ post clh follow follow misunderstand term bastard never year ld church membership heard appli formal inform child born wedlock and rightli consid vulgar offens term not echo express repli hope that poster recogn offens natur word context post repli rememb that subtl point lost net and figur spell bruce bruce webster bwebster page
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl geneva rutger edu loisc microsoft loi christiansen write you visit congreg christian happen homosexu that spirit fill believ not mcc you lump togeth troi perri gee real crimin robber muder drug addict fun love care peopl your point peopl nice isn satan haydai pit christian christian issu can homosexu reach homosexu for christ not chang bring christ doesn want gai can chang that live moral life commit sex and god move live chang hate sin and not sinner beliv homosexu wrong don hate peopl don don hate kid wrong and lie don admit wrong don make effort improv repent punish thi quit you want care you satan work destroi sens and wrong feel goodism convinc you that you god kind adam and ev stori read and compar todai mental you supris
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist ken happen you die you purpos your life you chanc you famili you and friend you you your search fill void that exist your life you can fill that void dave
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu prism gatech edu randal lee nichola mandock write bob remind roommat order disbeliev atheism will proven wrong don even wast time that word for respons tell will atheist prayer for atheist prayer
soc.religion.christian	athiest and hell articl atho rutger edu rexlex fnal fnal gov write delet point todai mason note that worship osiri egypt delet bug thi kind nonsens reason evid link masonri ancient egypt even that exist prior late centuri and noth definit second worship osiri not part mason practic strictli denomin tangent never end tangent you rex peter trei ptrei mitr org editor mason digest
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu noy midwai uchicago edu write christian can feel that sens differ associ weird televangelist talk satan you excus clich sound thi deal differ peopl can understand atheist hard for you christian sometim hard for thi not compar christian main stream western cultur you trivial experi rememb christian told time that and fact that member church christian believ god weren bad atheist small minor that noth compar atheist thing compar young child christian surround staunch atheist includ parent activ persecut religi tendanc actual punish and even wors emot blackmail mainstream societi side condit occur soviet union not countri god pledg allegi doubt even children taught christian and support sympathi for gai grow repress environ and hide and sometim deni part case ration sexual forc repress pressur you chose your belief you that not your choic born necess flame whether not gai peopl choos lifestyl that thi newsgroup atheism born necess for intellectu honest person belief respons evid will wish noth choos lie silent true belief choos god christian decid that ordinari sky red clear that not equat gai mistak assum that pain experi broken happili made stronger onc past that wasn hurt experi church friend didn becom atheist hurt differ not understand thi sentenc you explain not detail and violat confid childhood friend suffic that religion not guarante that person will happi and strong emotion and repress upbring can leav scar even don free doubt that sane and sincer person doubt that and feel defend happier and stronger closet end eloqu put privat email experi liber disillus bill mayn
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian ml panix michael siemon write atho rutger edu whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu bryan whitsel write think that homosexu and christian compat check roman corinthian timothi jude peter gen lev name vers that pertain homosexu homosexu christian check vers us incred pervers interpret simpli not address issu can that vers not address issu coupl not requir incred pervers interpret order condemn homosexu not deceiv fornic idol adulter effemin homosexu thiev covet drunkard revil swindler inherit kingdom god and such you cor care comment fact that fornic will not inherit kingdom god thi appli homosexu understand fornic sex marriag thi accur definit such thing sex marriag bibl understand that testament bless sexual intercours husband and wife will listen scriptur evid contrari you not lie male li femal abomin you not intercours anim defil woman stand anim mate pervers lev notic that vers forbid bestial immedi follow vers prohibit appear homosexu intercours testament passag that condemn even mention intercours anim argu for legitimaci homosexu intercours that bibl condemn bestial pervers and that vers you cite prove that bestial pervert and sin vers you cite refut interpret differ can christian zoophil subject sexual desir that not choos and that peopl regard pervert and sin understand that not ask question antipathi fellow peopl altern orient that read bibl attitud bibl and not want bibl choos not give pervert sexual desir bibl whether not that such thing sin frustrat time and had dai don blame god for thi blame sin mark ambigu mean word passag you quot liber and conserv sourc agre that homosexu not gener term for homosexu like mean homosexu prostitut that doesn meant that biblic evid vanish natur evid such that you can quot vers and solv thing your argument fornic circular homosexu wrong fornic fornic not marri aren marri church refus marriag ceremoni church refus marriag ceremoni homosexu wrong order break circl reason homosexu wrong clh
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christiani whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu bryan whitsel write interpret homosexuy wrong vers can interpret read and surround text that exactli ask homosexu commun that proper term decid that christian not homosexu behaviour condon interpret vers guess for homosexu respons todd
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu fil sapienza med umich edu fil sapienza write interest find peopl becom atheist believ god god convers group sens anger hostil don mean impli that atheist angri hostil motiv for give faith atheism result broken ness atheist suprem world and wonder and incred and love peopl and thing don god that made thi amaz and beauti team life world live
soc.religion.christian	war christian fight articl atho rutger edu david hsr david sjoen write person that christian shouldn fight christian not suppos defend ourselv matt heb war result sin defens reaction attack don that christian part thi you defend you kill and oppress continiu oblig protect innoc
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ secreci ld ceremoni clh christ sum quit nice cast pearl swine peopl thing that sacr you will belittl you belittl
soc.religion.christian	mari assumpt hate sound flippant shot mouth badli net afraid that thi materi add feel that assumpt mari phrase assumpt mari time read mari thi group can not recal read mari that not sound wish vener scant scriptur foundat find testament real portrait christ parent compellingli human person honor and admir for humil and submiss god work doubt almalga mation theori and dogma that accret imag alien and inhuman creatur untouch sin human desir christ sanctifi and even knew temptat albeit submit don necess holi parent sanctifi normal human sound inabl grasp immens god grace incarn dinari human won start yell peopl worship mari etc sinc folk told that lose part god incarn christ make parent sinless sexless deathless otherworldli be paul marxhausen univers nebraska lincoln grace happen
soc.religion.christian	serbian genocid work god articl atho rutger edu andrew cmu edu andrew byler write predestin predestin biblic doctrin roman show passag church taught predestin begin you proof and not div school student cathol church not accept predestin chaplain told bewar greek bear gift refer thi doctrin curiou result that human be not held respons for action answer you deal thi minut that predestin not mean not free will men freeli choos life affect grace god unlik calvinist and jansenist hold that grace resist you end idioci deni univers save will god timothi that doesn predestin continu you for god give grace save elect foreknew predestin and receiv grace final perserver guarante heaven thi not mean that that grace can save mean that god foreknew obstinaci and chose not give know not had freeli chosen hell thi confus sinc that christ jesu di for preknowledg obstinaci convolut account for coupl vers not biblic support thi opinion peopl save save grace god and not effort for god dispos and predestin becom saint perish everlast fire perish harden heart and chose perish deserv god punish had reject creator and sin work holi spirit god grace margarin spread need and not isn and save and not save and noth hmmmm god judg will mete that punish last judgement hold that god bless for good even for can bless life bless thi realiz thi doctrin not origin intend social problem end that suppos sort sign that elect lot children success work good life earth will think that don doom hell thi sound opposit idea doom hell will great life earth that almost convers respons for will punish die you die direct bear live strang and will not punish life will chastis thi purgatori for sin sin incur tempor punish god will punish satisfact made for samuel david sin adulteri and murder forgiven punish death child and not point idea punish god judgement quit prevel bibl sodom and gommorrah mose bar holi land slaughter cannanit annia and saphira jerusalem etc sin punish and not sort half punish grei area thi doctrin stuff delet stop slaughter innoc proverb that mean that christian support war bosnia even involv not isolationist and disagre foreign adventur gener case bosnia frankli excus for get militarili involv not war bless peacemak lord not interventionist action bosnia for peac and not for war unrel justifi for idea idea that you interven establish peac and stop atroc not suggest wwiii don understand you mean war not isolationist merit not jump opportun can you kuwait happen big countri lot resourc lot debt and thi respons world whether not flashback wwii vietnam haunt anoth differ opinion andi byler you for answer hope you don comment flame express interest vera your clock bind todai vera noy your religion strong name noy midwai uchicago edu you triniti disclaim lard patrick breastplat disclaim
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari articl atho rutger edu andrew cmu edu andrew byler write and note that monophysit chruch egypt and syria hold thi belief part divin revel even broke uniti chruch reject council chalcedon argu protest that cathol and orthodox made thi belief monophysit put big hole that notion hold belief and split chruch belief annunci write lost time father belief that church egypt and syria monophysit fals belief that held that council chalcedon nestorian misunderstand exacerb polit factor and led schism schism that heal steve hay depart missiolog editori depart univ south africa box pretoria south africa internet hayesstw risc unisa fidonet steve hay fidonet org faq missiolog studi christian mission and part faculti theologi unisa
soc.religion.christian	mercuri refer fundamentalist christian parent mondai morn edit san jose mercuri new articl sandra gonzal top page explain convict killer david edwin mason troubl childhood rais oakland and san lorenzo strict fundamentalist christian parent mason beaten child onc ti workbench and gag cloth accid urin mother walk bedroom window court record show san jose mercuri new come articl start rais oakland mexican parent mason beaten face red anger injustic mexican famili member and mexican commun sandra gonzal equal upset that open biggotri thi practic and encourag san jose mercuri new point christian commun can good christian continu purchas newspap and bui advertis thi kind newspap thi bad journal upset
soc.religion.christian	christian and repeat live smayo world std scott mayo write gerri palo write noth christian that preclud idea repeat live earth doesn appoint man onc die and judgement don concord dim memori that thi appear bibl fairli specif context for judgement that decid issu heb clh that depend thi vers read two mean word onc time and time onc time note that previou vers word onc us second mean and vers onc us second mean greek word for each two mean for english word onc not greek scholar can verifi greek word us for thi mean second mean us that vers can interpret for onc for men die begin adam thi gift aton offer jesu christ judgement made for longer death life christ daniel cossack danc procom compuserv senior softwar engin dupont drive irvin procom technolog inc
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari andrew byler andrew cmu edu wrote greatli extol mari quit obviou that god even part god equal god assumpt bless mother meant that close identif redempt work christ assum note that not ascend bodi and soul into heaven and elijah enoch mose perfect heaven virgin mari superior glorif previous mention personag provoc thought answer job logic consist papal declar cannot surpass and leav protestant odium noth man religion metaphys represent woman protestant not suffici attent sign time point equal women thi equal requir metaphys anchor figur divin woman bride christ person christ cannot replac organ bride cannot church feminin masculin demand equal person represent dogmat assumpt not dogmat view mean that mari attain statu goddess mistress heaven and mediatrix function par christ king and mediat rate posit satisfi archetyp par jung stick psycholog get into theologi jung made clear that talk psycholog not theologi comment had psycholog imag god and function human psych not actual exist natur god revdak netcom
soc.religion.christian	major view triniti articl atho rutger edu you write comment long that don want repeat send email back author not intend descript similar deiti that for letter your comment help last comment realiz that not intend sound that understand spiritu colud and time descript thi platon sound special plead sort seper be wai trust accept fact descript triniti that make sens modalist such modalist monarchian econom trinitarian can accept that aspect intrins natur god perhap lean can come anoth descript that orthodox and believ sarima teradata tdatirv sarima stanlei friesen elsegundoca ncr fear orthodox theologian overli love paradox extent that mean peopl flat confus problem thing and part father son and holi spirit aren exactli part god part thing distinguish physic separ person omnipres aren physic separ aspect mode god you accept econom trinitarian that you don substant differ standard view that you don find neo platon explan illumin clh
soc.religion.christian	daili vers for peac made two and destroi barrier divid wall hostil ephesian
soc.religion.christian	monophysit and mike walker articl atho rutger edu andrew cmu edu andrew byler write nabil ayoub write final note orient orthodox and eastren orthodox sign common statement christolog heresei monophysit condemn coptic orthodox church not monophysit coptic church will and energi christ two human and divin will and energi object copt pope rome coptic cathol church you reject suprem jurisdict sucessor peter bless john mark bishop alexandria translat for and predecessor infal thing perhap for your set question energi and will christ quot you relev part statement sign eastern chalcedonian and orient chalcedonian orthodox scholar year ago famili orthodox church famili agre condemn eutychian heresi famili confess that logo second person holi triniti begotten father ag and consubstanti incarn and born virgin mari theotoko fulli consubstanti perfect man soul bodi and mind upsilon zeta crucifi di buri and rose dead dai ascend heavenli father sit hand father lord creation pentecost come holi spirit manifest church bodi forward come full glori scriptur famili condemn nestorian heresi and crypto nestorian theodoret cyru agre that not suffici that christ consubstanti father and natur god and natur man affirm that logo natur god natur man incarn full time famili agre that hypostasi logo composit unit divin uncreat natur natur will and energi common father and holi spirit creat human natur assum incarn and made natur will and energi famili agre that natur proper energi and will unit hypostat and natur confus chang divis and separ and that distinguish thought alon famili agre that will and act hypostasi logo incarn guess that adress your question adequ for your second set question afraid irrelev discuss point view monophysit not relat topic discuss start endless orthodox debat not plan engag into answer your question posit coptic orthodox church roman pontiff jurisdict infal etc exactli orthodox church peac nabil nabil ayoub engin research center dept mechan engin univers wisconsin madison email ayoub erctitan wisc edu
soc.religion.christian	god moral and massacr quot length preceed post that find deal issu holocaust and bosnia that assert that god punish activ god redempt mean restor lost broken distort god not will broken lost distort genocid poverti etc nonetheless capabl will and activ restor heal mend and redeeem revdak netcom
soc.religion.christian	monophysit and mike walker articl atho rutger edu moder comment chalcedon compromis two group alexandrian and antiochen adopt languag that intend accept moder camp rule extrem agre that extrem that heret complex polit time appear that peopl reject didn intend heresi simpli us languag that not understood even mispres and not joint compromis for reason doctrin group descend supposedli heret camp thi post discuss descend alexandrian remain nestorian current call monophysit reason that current call nestorian not heret shelter nestoriu unfair treatment claim not adopt heresi and fact follow moder repres antiochen tradit clh big differ statu you refer alexandrian thi includ orient orthodox church and not copt and that nestorian orient orthodox church never even shelter eutych advoc monophysit contrari condemn and condemn and heresi that eastren chalcedonian orthodox church held talk orient chalcedonian that start year ago and continu till todai converg issu imporat christolog detail inter orthodox dialogu case interest not alexandrian and nestorian similar posit peac nabil nabil ayoub engin research center dept mechan engin univers wisconsin madison email ayoub erctitan wisc edu
soc.religion.christian	nicen creed major view triniti articl atho rutger edu andrew cmu edu andrew byler write call creed athanasiu western creed and had filioqu orthodox that accept that except filioqu not us orthodox not delet filioqu nicen creed wasn begin athanasian creed begin call athanasian creed never recogn standard faith orthodox church introduc filioqu servic book and centuri time strong western influenc orhtodoxi steve hay depart missiolog editori depart univ south africa box pretoria south africa internet hayesstw risc unisa fidonet steve hay fidonet org faq missiolog studi christian mission and part faculti theologi unisa
soc.religion.christian	earthquak predict mserv mozart iup edu mail server write dai back below includ messag post state heart that citi portland oregon countri unit state america will hit catastroph and disastr earthquak that thi not come pass don glorifi god thing lord tell such statement attempt spiritu thrill guess happen come true risk guilt fals propheci fail come pass not genuin propheci thi comment agre peopl not misl sayeth lord innuendo opinion specul speak directli lord you declar sayeth lord for shadow doubt that correct spiritu condit and relationship lord receiv such propheci and absolut tiniest shadow doubt that possibl misl imagin hope gain recognit misl wile devil and follow mistak thi area costli and danger for greatest fear thi area that peopl misl that peopl lose respect for christian that true propheci cloud fals propheci god call prophet and misrepres god word call lost forev god word command peopl never listen fear word fals prophet bridg burnt forev perhap repent and save never prophet god light thi critic that speak lord speak and that silent lord silent depriv world god word and hide bushel inappropri cowardli silenc fals statement and thi critic import that remain close lord word and prayer and fill spirit god that differ thi dai and ag sinner spout mouth left and judg anoth claim right that not deni right that belong demand equal respect for god thi world and utter form fals that promis make feel good time that christian give exampl honesti that stand contrast thi backdrop falsehood sayeth lord happen prai prayer answer prai christian mean dan deplor horribl crime child murder want prevent not punish reach root evil practic inmost soul revolt dread deed mater motiv love eas desir save suffer unborn innoc woman guilti commit deed thrice guilti drove desper impel crime susan anthoni revolut juli
soc.religion.christian	major view triniti and filioqu articl geneva rutger edu steve hay fidonet org write andrew byler write athanasian creed you evid that us orthodox church pure western apostl creed orthodox church us symbol faith commonli call nicen creed us orthodox church onc can recal found odd object statement that orthodox delet filioqu origin form creed creed origin not that phrase and not present greek origin hang desk not intend start flame war didn delet wasn larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
soc.religion.christian	hell ofm comment problem thi that jesu us hell threat doesn sound extrem fire and brimston preacher and don peopl live abject fear talk lot peopl found unworthi and mention hell number time agre that pleasant that doesn exist don agre that god sort sadist tortur peopl forev afraid that life and death spiritu struggl and that for peopl lose clh disagr that struggl jesu typic consequ threat that quit hell classic jesu doesn sound usual hell fire type preacher attract peopl and stongest exampl jesu preach parabl lazaru and dive parabl case point that fear base respons christ not free life affirm choic and isn good new meaning sens plenti good reason follow jesu that noth fear liter hell that pertain overcom present struggl god and disloy opposit faith base fear not built rock found faith ic fear remov foundat that basic matter christian that don solid basi for relat live incarn god cannot fulli open work god and life respons god motiv fear larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
soc.religion.christian	serbian genocid work god you want your attitud holocaust read deuteronomi chapter contrari holocaust cautiou interpretatoin deuteronomi not that happen accord god will you guess side predestin issu will never assum that evil punish god speak evil that fall for life will work discern hand god evil that befal discuss earlier luke revdak netcom unreconstruct arminian
soc.religion.christian	dream and bodi incid hei folk fairli group tho heard your comment question that mind lot moral ethic appli dream and bodi incid normal dream you can control you aren moral respons for your action you can contriv control action dream oob moral appli altern dream and oob total mental phenomena thi case moral appli call mental hygien that not evil indulgin overli sexi violent thought dream and oob realiti anoth plane evid for thi that dream and oob sometim common person mark object fact that peopl report object experi thi case interperson moral ethic appli dream and oob wake life assum that dreeam and oob environ real exist moral ethic appli and moral law appli case truth anoth altern respond post email
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu prism gatech edu randal lee nichola mandock write articl atho rutger edu muirm argon ga organpip uug arizona edu maxwel muir write candor happi proven wrong believ atheism problem will proven wrong mention nonsens psycholog and atheism bob muir ask question smilei part atheism you realiz that your statement that mention nonsens atheism thi hard for defend thi claim you make you includ last two sentenc post and mention address substanc post reject hand sometim ambigu natur english misinterpret your word clarifi you you not mean call statement atheism nonsens care back that claim sound broken you answer affirm start amatu psycolog broken polit correct for christian besieg group permit luxuri arrog yawn excus don recal portion post call christian arrog quot rememb call christian silli and that inform that year thought that that find faith intellectu dishonest and sort proof your god exist defin faith belief absens proof btw subscrib mention and fundi type answer your question final call christian beseig thi countri seldom christian ridicul for practis religion wear cross christian bumper sticker don for haven happen happen homosexu and friend beat preach peopl claim christ follow that thi sort thing isn practic major christian vocal minor and don comper victim christian question for bob world respect atheist want subscrib christian new group implic that not respect not student psycholog btw student creativ write and linguist literari analysi fort implic improp not sequest atheist cubbyhol you atheist occur you that don and that will that will chang life you read post you atheist and decid time poke doesn deserv your respect geez get back high that nonsens thing annoi figur you reaction sinc true reaction your question smooth feather version seek sort knowledg that univers your religion sorta idea kind christian you and hopefulli object view reason question genuin don answer question direct atheist figur answer you can specul atheist motiv you want amatu psycholog crack atheist you can even atheist motiv hope peopl want and show that check religion and read pamphlet peopl offer and thing face implic that atheism kind aberr and that broken peopl atheist flip side posit that atheism natur state and broken peopl theist offer proof that peopl wit horribl live pick discov religion that religion region peopl didn follow religion area homogen mix terrorist claim theistic motiv and that theist tend pushi and angri challeng alt atheism religion success suffer world break peopl uncomfort situat whichev you anoth reason flip side think and watchdog for logic fallaci difficult time keep and subject implic that atheist can possibl christian jump shadow reaction somewhat justifi post suggest that atheist broken hostil peopl thi post confirm that believ bob remind roommat order disbeliev atheism will proven wrong strong atheist feel that lack evid omnipot impli lack exist haven met strong atheist that noth persuad call seeker you don weak atheism ignor atheist simpli don god posit that god exist for weak atheist atheism disbeliev don activ atheism you thi confus figur differ protest and methodist atheist point view thi anoth fallaci theist that believ faith guess atheism end moment shown proof god exist that don even wast time guess you won succe convert supposit that you will fail convinc amatu psycolog you unconvinc that word for and told you that find faith intellectu dishonest note that can speak for you find faith honest show unabl reconcil that broken you that invis fairi live garden and that you word for you accept that you fundament mind and you for proof assert god exist logic physic proof discuss natur god respons tell will atheist prayer for prayer revok atheist club card and beani good luck bob and regard good luck you and apolog infer made inaccur randal lee nichola mandock catechist prism gatech edu muppet and garlic toast forev max bob muir note that abbrevi quot pasag not fault poster sometim order post rule inew clh
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell articl geneva rutger edu trajan cwi unomaha edu stephen mcintyr write articl apr geneva rutger edu trajan cwi unomaha edu stephen mcintyr write spend etern hell besid god heaven know even man spend etern life scorch for wrongdo thi displai bravado bluff fear god punish that point plai poker monopoli monei can bet want shan heaven sens human and compass for fellow man thi exactli christian missionari natur not irrit god testament and and evid god strictli love peopl wrote bibl and bibl written evid love that cultur bia thi poor answer you needn rebut will pull bait and switch you us bibl judg man not god that mean your moral intuit doesn describ bibl realiz that such thing will avoid semant argument evil and you fight not you specif includ don genocid bibl genocid that move question hell realiz that peopl suffer you hell isn fair and will sacrific deni exist life isn fair young mother kid doesn will dai sixth grader junki man friend and monei fix doesn god don you correct challeng christian doesn live life compass you possess you want evid god find make differ you admir tough time and come head person vietnam vet battl medic mind woman pregnant babi and success busi woman doctor oper pound babi won christian even you call religi will common god not defin bibl god defin peopl heart doesn matter you can give intellectu assent descript you heard wrong compass you feel your heart step direct follow that come back and read bibl and you that thing describ noth make sens hang that idea that god love similar revers order love god good guess work your grammar chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god articl atho rutger edu prism gatech edu randal lee nichola mandock write not capit punish feel thi god not god love god justic christian instrument will earth expect true mandat lord judg action fellow man favorit scriptur refer thi regard roman person subordin higher author for author god and that exist establish god resist author oppos god appoint and oppos will bring judgment view reflect teach roman cathol church extent that roman cathol church approv disapprov capit punish confirm recent catech rc surpris and upset that capit punish not explicitli condemn for cathol opposit capit punish opposit abort rever for life anti abort case explicit link polit left make anti abortionist and pro executionist tendenc condemn peopl hold view hypocrit feel that anti abortionist vocal opposit capit punish pro life line end thi kneejerk associ anti abort wing thing and issu plenti pro abort equal for kneejerk left wing reason not your biblic quot can automat support for capit punish that roman cathol you oppos abort and onsid wrong and object even legalis author matthew huntbach
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christiani cite passag cover depth faq for thi group that faq forgotten author discuss tradit pro homosexu interpret passag and point strong textual support perhap moder give instruct for retriev faq thi topic btw thi issu dealt time major presbyterian church california andrew megachurch rich neighborhood withhold support synod amount budget synod cover southern and hawaii support for pro homosexu lobbi group lazaru project termin thi new report cnn yesterdai correct tim time for post faq thi issu presbyterian church side major church cincinnati ordain homosexu elder and presbyteri instruct not and church rochest judici commiss couldn instal homosexu pastor made evangelist situat you describ not stabl thi will major topic for gener assembl month church can come solut that will peopl live each end split side that push into action side clh
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari articl atho rutger edu revdak netcom andrew kill write observ bodili assumpt basi bibl carl jung declar import pronounc church recent year that impli inclus feminin into godhead jung that speak for cathol church dogma assumpt mean mari consid god part godhead impli such thing feminin gener jung statement make sound dogma announc blue thi incorrect dogma formul part tradit thi dogma believ not formal defin assumpt declar cathedra statement steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	hell articl atho rutger edu smayo world std scott mayo write grant that christian relationship jesu and love for god and soul stand fine hell don evid scriptur that hell present stick beat peopl heaven agre last paragraph jesu statement hell can treat total symbol allegor parabl teach hell earth that freed jesu that rest doesn mattter and fact that can free hell gift god offer etern life begin for and not wait start partak divin natur and journei path deific larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
soc.religion.christian	robin lane fox unauthor version articl atho rutger edu iscleekk nuscc nu lee kok kiong jame write mpaul unl edu marxhausen paul write mom pass lengthi review clip robin lane fox book unauthor version truth and fiction bibl read book part quit typic critic bibl inaccur histor document alt altheism etc carri typic respons not vocifer give insight into historian don biodata work not understand argument mention event that event and robin lane fox historian and garden written histori book perhap recent you rememb search for alexand written edit book garden jim eggertj mit edu jim eggert
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell summar question sagac spend etern hell besid god heaven know even man spend etern life scorch for wrongdo describ horribl hell and compar statement jesu suffer cross order prevent peopl hell kenneth engel challeng thi happen jesu don not heard live dai suffer and di wage sin paragraph jesu didn pai for sin will wimp and admit that never like metaphor jesu pai for sin sens that christian accept liter point that god understand suffer not intellectu watch somalian understand can feel pain thi fact manifest jesu life can argu that histori suffer jesu can horribl tortur crucifixion can case betray and fruitless effort lead wors despair main point that jesu trench human and for human for reconcil thi exist hell capabl that wasn goal surpris moder thi thankfulli moder surpris want reason explan for thi read thi admit that thi descript faith explan perhap that can hopefulli that chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	major view triniti can describ triniti simpl declar sentenc word that common mean kick butt god assur realiti truth prai god father friend put arm and cry prai jesu strength wisdom difficult situat prai for holi spirit realiz that will make peopl cring can doctrin triniti attempt reconcil jesu god and distinct god describ bibl jesu had hindu word chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari articl atho rutger edu ddavi cass bull dave davi write sinc mari free origin sin not exactli die end life dogmat prounounc assum into heaven dogma assumpt not state whether not mari di physic death into heaven cathol free whether that aliv di lean somewhat steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu prism gatech edu randal lee nichola mandock write stuff delet question for bob world respect atheist want subscrib christian new group difficult time keep and subject excus make you that atheist doesn christian albeit limit experi atheist bibl search end end for answer christian that doesn mean author religion perspect bias favor natur quit obviou subscrib infer for explan question motiv dislik thi kind logic hope that will light critcism will fear not give posit pictur christian bob remind roommat order disbeliev atheism will proven wrong don even wast time that word for respons tell will atheist prayer for regard thi guess don feel sentiment thi order can proven faith lot thi search bibl cover cover for answer won necessarili for that doesn doesn faith big catch discov thi quit recent ran into agnost for explan faith and quickli discov that give noth life stori and descript natur faith person thing attempt prove fact question good luck bob and regard likewis matter you randal lee nichola mandock catechist prism gatech edu your clock bind todai vera noy your religion strong name noy midwai uchicago edu you triniti disclaim lard patrick breastplat disclaim
soc.religion.christian	hell articl atho rutger edu mrm csc liv mellodew write articl atho rutger edu shellgat llo psi larri overack write fear base religion not faith relationship made that mean that christian avoid hell isn christian sound that reason inclin doubt whether not profess christian relationship faith base trust fear and trust gener incompat motiv fear room for trust room for faith fear preclud trust can faith larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach ddavi cass bull dave davi deutero canon book ad church histori not spiritu qualiti rest scriptur not church that ad book guid spirit and that thi sort discuss ultim end apocryph book that septuagint part canon us greek speak church incept church not ad thi common misconcept prefer hebrew canon greek canon innov church not guid add book sinc part faith onc receiv apostl and pass church larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach articl atho rutger edu revdak netcom andrew kill write dave davi ddavi cass bull wrote lot delet gener agre inher defens argument for inclus exclus deuterocanon book agre that principl that cannot consist appli not principl exclud not accord author scriptur requir reason reason let talk principl accept that god set standard for includ scriptur can authorit prophet authent dynam receiv collect read and us count apocrapha fall short glori god quot unger bibl dictionari apocrapha abound histor and geograph inaccuraci and anachron teach doctrin fals and foster practic varianc sacr scriptur resort literari type and displai artifici subject matter and style keep sacr scriptur lack distinct element give genuin scriptur divin charact such prophet power and poetic and religi feel interim conclus that protest exclus write tradit men hear exclud reform and that appear reason peopl continu exclud problem thi argument li assumpt that hebrew canon includ apocrapha place and wasn sixteenth centuri that luther and threw jewish council you mention previous didn accept reform protest had good histor preced for action jerom translat apocrapha protest and liter dead bodi that includ cathol canon simpl fact that protest exclus roman inclus orthodox inclus book definit close canon decis commun faith standard collect scriptur for that commun tradit men whether consid that problem not depend commun happen and you accept defin author person that concept close canon whether cathol protest orthodox that develop late histori church and not serv church you view word warn hear word propheci thi book add god will add plagu describ thi book and take thi book propheci god will share tree life and holi citi rev sure thi set standard and not man made tradit noteworthi jesu attitud had argument pharise canon john and explain follow road emmau that law prophet and psalm refer divis scriptur luke luke take genesi chronicl jewish order genesi malachi scriptur lee macdonald format christian biblic canon abingdon for clear and faith examin origin and issu canon not familiar book argument you found chapter josh mcdowel evid that demand verdict barnei resson run and fro knowledg increas daniel
soc.religion.christian	christian and repeat live articl atho rutger edu smayo world std ott mayo write gerri palo write noth christian that preclud idea repeat live earth doesn appoint man onc die and judgement don concord dim memori that thi appear bibl fairli specif context for judgement that decid issu heb clh context nasb need suffer sinc foundat world onc consumm manifest put sin sacrific and inasmuch appoint for men die onc and thi come judgement christ offer onc bear sin second time not bear sin tro eagerli await point that thi vers part even larger context subject not destini individu human soul singular natur christ sacrific onc and fulfil law for fallen mankind rudolf friel elabor thi detail christian and reincarn thrust passag context liken time incarn and sacrific christ for mankind individu experi human death onc repeat and emphas and highlight singular christ deed thing for refut claim that christ incarn onc comparison human experi die onc judgement note not judgement judgement word for judgement krisi hebrew passag quot defens doctrin that bibl deni reincarn thi point emphas that passag that arguabl speak and that invari talk el and appar denial reincarn infer case hebrew liter and deposit into impli context doctrin destini human death consid that bibl essenti silent fate individu human death and last dai you passag that possibl interpret mean singl earth life arguabl and passag that point arguabl direc tion such matthew and john can continu debat individu scrap scriptur that bearinig thi and discuss want introduc into discuss approach idea repeat earth live that unlik hindu buddhist and ag teach take full cogniz divin singular incarn death burial resurrect and second come christ savior mankind account each individu for deed and realiti fall and sin and consequ redempt man sin christ resurrect bodi and last judgement thi larger sens question perspect destini di sin christ relationship faith and grace work mean deathb convers mean sacrament and thing not that propos answer question simpl doctrin conveni that discuss take dimens and opinion that worthi man earth and creator and redeem deep question that continu deep such mean second death and christian doctrin appli thi larger perspect human exist deepli that thing bibl not speak not thing concern christ that thing that come futur includ thing that discipl and not bear thi idea that human capac for growth knowledg not individu lifetim human take great mean realiz that growth spirit long term process bibl not meant codifi spiritu knowledg place forev proclaim gospel incarn and redeem deed christ take gospel greater context genesi revel salvat heal becom not end man sojourn begin and last judgement and heaven and earth that follow becom fulful gerri palo compuserv
soc.religion.christian	divorc articl atho rutger edu daveshao leland stanford edu david shao write articl atho rutger edu cr carson washington edu cliff slaughterbeck write marri happili wonder and support husband and gave birth two son not perfect for jane sinc never open deepest part soul husband interest thing that jane thi discuss homosexu not bedroom found that deep commit relationship woman man sex mind part relationship sound problem problem open husband lesbian marrig coupl suppos open each didn feel comfort open husband get divorc and come conclus that lesbian get mari make that feel comfort open deepest part soul husband sex mind part relationship diffrent man that problem christ love bryan
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin eugen bigelow write doesn bibl that god fair god sic thi true can thi possibl fair infant andrew byler write you mean fair god give deserv infant sin time concept roman psalm cannot possibl merit heaven and purgatori for purg tempor punish and venial sin imposs that origianl sin can forgiven augustin not invent origin sin cathol faith hold ancient time you deni doubt follow heresi nuptii lib fair punish you and rest human adam and ev suppos your parent commit crime you born and dai cop come your door and throw you jail for you that fair wouldn
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin joseph buehler write thi appli equal infant adult sinc soul infant baptiz cannot enter into heaven thi form life cannot enter into heaven you that baptism noth ask jesu come into your heart and accept your savior ritual that enabl enter heaven
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu bryan whitsel write think that homosexu and christian compat check roman corinthian timothi jude peter gen lev name vers that pertain homosexu think gai and christian not compat check digniti integr light presbyterian church affirm mcc church etc meet gai christian find prai discuss scriptur and form your opinion ann carlson carlson larc nasa gov nasa langlei research center hampton
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ jwindlei cheap utah edu jai windlei write materi delet object idea that christian involv secret kind mormon scholar provid histor evid earli christian practic parallel mormon templ ceremoni can choos whether not subscrib such histor interpret mormon practic not preced christian delet don necessarili object secreci question sinc biblic reason aspect christian worship involv secreci interest your claim that earli christian practic parallel mormon templ ceremoni you give exampl parallel mormon ceremoni don mormon ceremoni restor origin christian practic wasn that point joseph smith state mission mark
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god jblanken ccat sa upenn edu jame blankenship write reason for death penalti reveng you refut posit refut posit acknosledg that you speak small piec problem broad sweep reason etc tough nut crack death penalti reallli doesn year fbi releas crime stat show overwhelm amount crime commit repeat offend peopl kill folk kill time aobut folk for death penalti not for reveng cut recidiv your point acknowledg fact that thi posit that that vast major favor death penalti for reason seek vengeanc curiou you favor death penalti killer kill you peopl commit crime such rape robberi isn muslim cut your hand you caught steal
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu maxwel muir muirm argon ga organpip uug arizona edu write faith you want feel that faith intellectu dishonest support for thi statement not make sens ambigu religi belief unwilling pascal wager heard thi frequent exactli pascal wager sound broken you don you point that your mother treatment upset you and inconsist religion not that constitut broken ness not consititut disillusion filipp sapienza depart technolog servic univers michigan hospit surgeri fil sapienza med umich edu
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach atho rutger edu mdw uxa cso uiuc edu michael walker write that last paragraph kill deuterocanon accept inspir scriptur cathol church exist longer protest church martin luther began hack bibl and decid remov book not fact that cathol church decid add that reason for differ cathol and protest bibl thi mislead question statu greek septuagint versu hebrew scriptur and issu predat reform quit bit jerom neg deuteroncanon and fact even transalt put hebrew canon reorder greek order hebrew translat quick and dirti report dai and anoth overnight dictat translat amanuensi that vulgat and massiv import western christian vener jerom step reduc book statu had and greek inaccur that reform threw book basic secondari statu jerom had addit warn that doctrin not base citat alon that emphasi hebrew origin sound somewhat arbitrari disallow face translat part collect principl select hebrew greek confus unknown and like fraught accid plai into tendenti notion origin languag inspir magic and convei messag untranslat translat not hear god word jew greek german english thi tendenc big boost sola scriptura protestant even point current inerr bizarr despit basic underli tendenc reform that text and translat can profit english render hebrew and greek sure reason sirach bibl and anglican don for text origin greek anti greek prejudic notabl time hebrew canon fulli attest includ anti christian prejudic led jewish abandon septuagint oper btw reader enjoi lectur bruce metzger issu translat bibl includ jerom current number journal bibliotheca sacra two publish michael siemon you god son ml panix high you nevertheless you die men and fall ml ulyss att princ psalm
soc.religion.christian	christian embassi christian embassi washington exactli respond lisa lbl gov
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl atho rutger edu eugen bigelow ebai sun geno write noth unclean enter heaven rev babi born such state that die cuf god and put hell exactli doctrin augustin and thoma haven read thi entir thread hasn toss thi samuel rsv servant thi thing that you you fast and wept for child aliv child di you aros and at food david child aliv fast and wept for whether lord will graciou that child live dead fast can bring back will not return interpret thi mean that child heaven david will somedai don claim for thi appli babi not even thi you thi jeff adam
soc.religion.christian	ontolog argument read that kurt goedel argu that ontolog argument for god exist logic reason that effect thi true and citat fred gilham gilham csl sri peac war not hell war hell make sens walker perci second come
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu wrote think that homosexu and christian compat check roman corinthian timothi jude peter gen lev name vers that pertain homosexu christ love bryan whitsel never heard read vers you read context take into consider time and place written local custom and pagan ritual surround vers talk and interact rest bibl issu bibl that argu and can argu successfullli side issu exampl that come mind gift spirit raptur will occur pre post tribul peopl baptiz name found noth scriptur that condemn for monogam relationship person love even sex come across heat that lord dear last year and tire hear thi thing peopl told find for check for invit holi spirit guid you weren confid thi wouldn invit you thi god bless loisc
soc.religion.christian	nation repent mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write heard radio todai christian student confer christian call repent america nation sin such sexual promiscu repli whoa can repent sin can and claim repent sin not fact judg jesu equip judg activ warn not judg peopl judg not that not judg lewi made point essai world war christian leader britain urg nation repent for horror sin world war your point cannot strongli disagre repent mean turn nation behav incred arrogantli god condon encourag and even forc folk particip activ directli oppos written word god arrogantli set nation god creat and allow luxuri live thi land set bad exampl for nation slaughter unborn children million stricken name god classroom cheat god honor due turn and ow god apolog bit public sin jesu judg not that not judg not address john baptist had repent and call repent address remain sin heap condemn for sin messag remov log ey remov speck brother rebuk and reprov don forget that thi command problem todai that tend judg and condemn rebuk and tend neglect bring folk back lord excus that don want judg truth judg and call repent and distinguish two motiv call sin and openli charg fall correctli run into hell pull hellward path and heavenward path deplor horribl crime child murder want prevent not punish reach root evil practic inmost soul revolt dread deed mater motiv love eas desir save suffer unborn innoc woman guilti commit deed thrice guilti drove desper impel crime susan anthoni revolut juli
soc.religion.christian	urbana mission confer hear peopl think urbana confer decemb thi year recent receiv info if intern fellowship evangel student and think attend not whether can afford hear peopl involv if ivf group hear thing your campu new group group peopl thi involv christian fellowship univers technolog sydnei australia you interest find mail find matt reimer email reimer ut edu
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god articl geneva rutger edu jenk microsoft jen kilmer write articl apr geneva rutger edu mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write state recogn sex marriag coupl marriag stabl and love and long last legal marri friend and rel thi drive friend famili crazi brother divorc twice parent divorc and filthi gai marri partner for year marriag stabl and love and long last doesn make sex partner friend get sexual involv each gari chin staff engin sun microsystem view gchin eng sun
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin babi not suppos baptis doesn bibl never come and peopl that wrong taught can baptis thi not sound argument for baptis babi assum that bibl doesn specif that you don that mean that you specif term for thi form logic escap sound you appli thi bibl doesn specif that wrong coincident lead perfectli into question ponder slaveri immor can assum that thi group doesn jesu apostl speak own slave common practic back paul speak that immor appar thought import talk thing not drunkard doesn mention slaveri god moral etern and don chang moral societi immor todai
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ articl atho rutger edu brh ca org brook haderli write search deceas ancestor that can perform ordin such baptism confirm and marriag for time and etern that requir for person obtain salvat christ and live etern peopl not had opportun christ lifetim make for christ save grace thousand interpret that phrase becom fulli effect for side thi paragraph brought mind question you mormon reconcil idea etern marriag christ statement that ressurect peopl will marri marriag luke chapt david hammerslag dhammer urbana mcd mot ain bad that lord can save ain good don god love mullin
soc.religion.christian	matter church articl geneva rutger edu gideon otago gideon king write protest reform oppos and subsequ separ church rome battl cry protest religion bibl bibl and noth bibl underli that cry theori that peopl read bibl for nativ tongu discov truth god and purpos shed error and unit common faith thi idea that reform bring bibl peopl languag myth vernacular translat bibl exist long reform vulgat bibl offici version bibl for cathol church translat common vulgar vulgat tongu dai latin and had exist for millenium reform note that print press not even invent centuri that reform occur steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	christian and repeat live thi essenti discuss reincarn context christian gerri palo made comparison asian religi belief thi topic simplifi asian idea karma point misrepresent signific differ idea karma hindu jain buddhist and even buddhist tradit refer karma system reward for past deed total incorrect buddhist and jain tradit karma consid moral process intent good evil shape person predilect for futur intent and action and produc person prone good evil opposit reward noth jainism and buddhism atheist deiti dispens reward punish karma describ term seed and reap fruit thereof fact you sow you reap found pali canon recal metaphor natur growth explicit hinduism sect that tradit determinist and involv concept closer reward and punish theistic inclin point fact theravadin buddhist tradit southeast asia consid karma influenc human life and fact point view unabl explain mechan karma element free will eastern religion differ reincarn and rebirth essenti absent western consider isn origen cite prestigi propon reincarn christian thinker view and relat christian scriptur jack carrol
soc.religion.christian	satan and articl atho rutger edu salari niblick ecn purdu edu rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbit write mtv control band popular matter bad fact polit correct madonna music talent steven salari interest idea regular televeis thi sort thing polit correct show christ love bryan
soc.religion.christian	portland earthquak articl atho rutger edu cctr cantua canterburi bill rea write histori impli pretti sin pastor church attend christchurch citi elim consid that prophesi natur disast judgement lord clear sign that prophesi not lord reason thi you burn natur disast propheci that not mean that natur disast judgement propheci fals quick book jeremiah and obviou that judgement propheci can valid problem posit propheci peopl into judgement sometim god give word that difficult swallow rel posit propheci not necesarili ground dismiss not happi stuff link hudson
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu bill mayn mayn pipe fsu edu write articl atho rutger edu bill mayn mayn pipe fsu edu write articl atho rutger edu fil sapienza med umich edu fil sapienza write interest find peopl becom atheist believ god god convers group sens anger hostil don mean impli that atheist angri hostil motiv for give faith atheism result broken ness thi condescend and slightli disquis hominem attack thi attitud part theist vocal reason for hostil you sens you atheist that peopl turn religion immatur emotion wouldn and don thought pretti good job qualifi statement appar peopl misinterpret intent apolog for part commun confus intent stir discuss judg work rest post note not origin post thi alt atheism don filipp sapienza depart technolog servic univers michigan hospit surgeri fil sapienza med umich edu
soc.religion.christian	satan toung articl atho rutger edu koberg spot colorado edu allen koberg write point speak tongu thing problemat us prayer languag troubl understand that you prai tongu spirit talk and you prai you prai god and spirit god spirit talk pentecost us actual languag wrong spirit talk jesu interced for and roman spirit interced for god that theolog problem toung prayer languag find support corinthian phrase speak tongu men and angel us paul cor mislead context assum that angel tongu and speak languag angel tongu true that thi and us rug sweep difficulti valid point paul mention angel toung vers hmmm testament stori tower babel god punish give languag can assum that angel languag that angel not punish manner languag sepak result babel stand reason that angel speak languag you valid point multipl angel languag angel be speci speak speci commun differ troubl such stori abound and attempt verif and test spirit show that wit had real idea circumst that outright fabric involv brother puka stori previou post friend friend thing and linguist two syllabl word qualifi languag inflect heard eyewit account such thing hard prove don lend laboratori thing don holi thing gift into laboratori faith healer troubl prove victori sinc ailment cure plain unprov and modern dai ressurrect never valid true that modern dai xenoglossolalia prove clergi lai that unprov statement can you prove someth prove that you evid onc orthodontist record complet photograph show patient sever underbit cure constant prayer john lake onc prai for and heal laboratori adventur god interest book link
soc.religion.christian	faq essai homosexu refer faq essai homosexu sinc hasn post for time and modifi somewhat sinc last time take thi opportun post anoth entri faq contain comment contributor can retriev ftp rutger edu pub soc religion christian homosexu contain detail exeget issu give primarili conserv point view thi post summar issu involv homosexu and christian thi frequent ask question not post question each time occur thi attempt summar post discuss summar argument for allow christian homosexu sinc peopl ask question argument common not question dealt can christian justifi homosexu bibl definit homosexu group that homosexu orient sexual attract member sex thi distinguish actual homosexu sexual activ homosexu abstain sex consid group accept lot discuss term homosexu mean engag homosexu sex thi gener not accept liber group thi paper us homosexu mean person engag sexual act anoth sex haven heard biblic argument person homosexu orient remain celeb peopl admit that predisposit homosexu thi call homosexu orient not whether genet environment evid suggest each evid that homosexu not singl phenomenon number genet group that peopl move homosexu heterosexu exodu intern report and haven read detail literatur summari minor opinion presbyterian church infam report human sexual suggest that program low success rate and that question real even success peopl convert thi issu not import sound homosexu wrong intrins wrong defin such god fact that hard homosexu relev fact that hard escap drug addict wrong wrong affect deal peopl difficult chang thi tend make will forgiv gener background issu common quot figur that popul homosexu ask expert thi respons kinsei below sourc figur percent defin sexual behavior not orient and rank person scale complet heterosexu complet heterosexu kinsei male adult had experi orgasm homosexu post puberti ten percent adult male experi homosexu that percentag held true followup studi kinsei institut base data earli seventi not publish earli bell and weinberg can put hand thi refer onlin inform for kinsei studi appear iri catalog rutger author kinsei alfr charl titl sexual behavior human male alfr kinsei wardel pomeroi and clyde martin publish philadelphia saunder descrip diagr note base survei made member staff indiana univers and support nation research council committe for research problem sex mean fund contribut medic divis rockefel foundat bibliographi aut pomeroi wardel baxter joint author martin clyde eugen joint author subject sex moral condit card thi figur wide us scholarli discuss and even found hold true cultur note recent newsweek coverstori thi child gai feb journalist run round talk show thi season promot book that allegedli refut kinsei studi scholarli world for kook object kinsei studi not detail includ contribut anoth view will includ christian homosexu genit sex wrong not denomin accept metropolitan commun church form specif accept homosexu unit church christ and coupl group episcop church accept area not church that congreg govern you find congreg that accept even southern baptist number two congreg unusu church permit homosexu church leader carefulli enforc thi anoth issu don doubt that homosexu pastor denomin open argument biblic and issu attempt summar issu commonli cite refer favor accept homosexu previou discuss john boswel christian social toler and homosexu chicago press argument pretti clear explicit law leviticu and rom paul pretti neg homosexu refer debat passag cite subject not relev sin inhabit sodom propos carri homosexu rape not homosexu activ consent adult even question whether homosexu sinc entiti involv angel horrifi involv guest and respons guest that cultur strong thi reason lot offer daughter give daughter guest attack you concord for refer sodom bibl you that impli that homosexu sin jewish interpret tradit that major sin abus guest rate debat that homosexu rape wrong not discuss leviticu law part set law that christian not bind justif can found lev alon not settl issu refer paul letter number refer paul list sin word fairli vagu boswel argu that word occur list not mean homosexu two greek word that list cor and tim malako and arsenokoitai not clear word mean malako basic mean soft varieti metaphor mean ethic write boswel suggest wanton like equival report that unanim interpret church includ greek speak christian that thi passag refer masturb mean that vanish cent that practic come frown cite refer late edit cathol encyclopedia that identifi masturb translat arsenokotai male prostitut give evid that church father understood term refer homosexu gener technic mean suggest earli latin translat activ mode homosexu male prostitut view paul not intend technic for conserv view consult gordon fee commentari cor cite evid that malako meant effemin boswel warn that greek cultur effemin not necessarili synonym homosexu associ kind homosexu behavior boswel and fee togeth suspect that term simpli not definit and that appli homosexu case isn gener term for homosexu fee argu boswel arsenokotai end suggest translat that essenti big problem that word almost never us paul write occur fact that word compos male and doesn quit mean sinc doesn whether male subject object action exampl compound word form can theori refer rapist etc danger base mean pure etymolog you conclud that goodby religi express base god sinc boswel fee and niv agre homosexu male prostitut that good guess note that thi translat miss strong vulgar term fee and boswel agre not attempt reproduc translat opinion strongest refer homosexu roman boswel point that rom speak homosexu that happen peopl natur heterosexu result corrupt due worship fals god argu that thi simpli exampl that homosexu worship fals god fall into degrad and perhap becom heterosexu find thi argument somewhat forc and fact homosexu reader not propos that thi paul meant not convinc that rom suffici creat law homosexu for christian paul describ rom not homosexu christian homosexu that appear idolat part packag wicked despit impress left impass rhetor paul not that pagan complet abandon heterosexu sex descript situat assum that heterosexu sex debas and shameless that thi passag neg view homosexu fair shameless natur act reflect gener spiritu state peopl and not specif featur homosexu view situat evid confid that paul disapprov homosexu rom clear cor and tim not unambigu and gener condemn homosexu not word that come approv homosexu even consid accept case hand passag contain explicit teach subject rom idolatri refer homosexu pass result thi situat that peopl interpret passag light gener approach scriptur for scriptur for law issu such thi not surpris that passag endors prohibit for approach bibl liber not surpris that regard paul neg view homosexu that jewish upbring reexamin light gospel reader thi group assumpt approach radic that peopl tend foam mouth oppos view describ not lot can moder such situat number discuss past center sort detail exegesi text that describ fact not convinc that defend homosexu base belief such analys real issu rest question whether paul judgement appli modern homosexu commonli made claim that paul had simpli never face kind question deal encount homosexu context peopl agre that wrong had never face experi christian act straight and fail and had never face christian defin christian homosexu fit gener christian ideal fidel and sexual mirror relationship god and man unfair paul judgement homosexu idolat and us make judgement question anoth paul time homosexu associ number thing that christian not find accept part templ prostitut privat citizen occur adult and children free peopl and slave not posit that reason ancient distinguish activ and passiv partner consid disgrac for free adult act passiv partner thi reason that activ mode homosexu prostitut consid disgrac custom peopl enjoi passiv role thi support idea that tend not engag two free adult male not degre scandal christian homosexu not condon sex children slave not posit fulli respons partner fee commentari cor cite exampl ancient literatur homosexu relationship that involv free adult symmetr consider thi paragraph shouldn push homosexu discredit for jew associ sure case that not prostitut and not involv slave children peopl argu that aid judgement homosexu point that aid transmit promiscu sex homosexu and heterosexu homosexu relationship that meet christian criteria for marriag not risk for aid note that good reason paul gener approach doubt that conced homosexu fulli equal altern apart specif statement homosexu us genesi stori lead regard heterosexu marriag god ordain paul deal pastor question warn quick deal thi issu legal claim that question counsel homosexu christian not theolog issu pastor paul tendenc can issu such eat meat and celebr holidai uncompromis principl pastor issu carefulli good peopl involv and avoid insist perfect person damag for exampl paul believ that accept eat meat want avoid push peopl into action had person qualm for anoth exampl paul prefer peopl circumst remain unmarri unabl marri state tempt fornic view thi even accept view paul express rom that homosexu not god intend that occur result sin conclud that time live note that creation stori work enter human life result sin thi doesn mean that christian can stop work save question whether you that homosexu sin whether you that misfortun that broad sens due human sin you will approach becom pastor judgement whether damag caus find live cure danger cure that attempt fail and you end damag rang psycholog damag suicid broken marriag attempt live heterosexu fail thi depend assess inher natur homosexu you wrong you will run high risk damag rid not gener suggest that peopl live tendenc steal drug addict even attempt cure condit difficult condit intrins damag that not obviou for homosexu problem associ homosexu problem promiscu not homosexu thi includ aid for grant that sort homosexu relationship christian allow equival christian heterosexu relationship discuss thi last decad heard lot person testimoni fellow christian thi situat summari research and result effort for convers presbyterian report mention faq that summar reader report thi question evid that long term success chang orient rare par heal miracl danger advis christian depend such chang clear convers doesn happen almost peopl left despair feel exclud church that noth requir life long celibaci paul recogn context that such demand not practic for peopl and histori cleric celibaci strongli reinforc that judgement practic result that homosexu end gai sex club and rest sordid side homosexu homosexu isn god origin ideal can imagin paul prefer peopl long term commit christian relationship promiscu work genesi suggest wasn part god origin ideal such relationship can vehicl for peopl share god love each issu biblic interpret underli thi discuss issu that cultur relativ that paul that wrong thi etern statement thing wrong specif situat cultur time conserv christian gener insist take prohibit absolut sinc bibl becom subject stop rel thi issu worth note that complet reject concept cultur relativ number judgement testament that even conserv christian rel judgement clear bibl homosexu prohibit charg interest thi occur time not mention rel recent church bind christian prohibit swear oath endors slaveri institut judgement tax collector sinner not regard item bind case argument essenti cultur relativ briefli prohibit interest specif agrarian societi that bibl build not market economi peopl that american judici oath characterist kind oath jesu concern peopl that paul simpli tell peopl live slaveri not endors institut for peopl that ir moral equival roman tax farm point make that appli biblic prohibit cent whether cent action christian homosexu that relationship greek homosexu that paul familiar thi exactli kind argument that made judici oath and tax collector fairli recent christian prohibit take interest and christian regard slaveri divin endors slaveri common metaphor for relationship god and human be christian call servant slave god not that bibl cultur rel that thing and not that appear bibl that end discuss whether action talk moral implic that bibl talk christian want argu that reason that prohibit homosexu bind will listen claim that question doesn look kid part small minor obei rule list thing that worri great emot that thi issu creat you weak biblic evid law leviticu passag rom subject matter idolatri homosexu and coupl list word ambigu amount concern thi rais christian proport thi suggest peopl that reason simpli biblic involv thi true side homosexu christian strongli motiv find wai discredit biblic argument conserv christian find biblic argument can feel that bibl us side justifi attitud come sourc thi danger situat for christian side issu note problem pro homosexu posit commonli present common argument that homosexu biolog determin god made homosexu and choic god made homosexu fine view for peopl ground that homosexu accept don argument for accept peopl that alchol larg biolog and drug addict turn that doesn mean thing tend wrong peopl angri easili tend arrog tend attrac women marri homosexu view wrong wouldn thing follow god end time anoth work overcom bad habit and temptat that problem can sit back and that god made can relax jesu cross daili thi concept dy appear paul letter suggest that thing ourselv that call not accept paul letter and experi christian histori show that sin ingrain and battl lifelong and difficult fact that homosexu difficult fight doesn necessarili thi isn place die make that isn fight battl and not reject concept that christian fight deepli engrain habit sin
soc.religion.christian	baptism requir faith troubl that post recent support doctrin origin sin thi primarili cathol doctrin purpos defend idea infant baptism even support peopl will stop short that unbaptis infant will hell easi for come partial list scriptur support sort wrong doctrin heart persever belief make that biblic base can come understand truth complet scriptur colossian you circumcis put sin natur not circumcis christ buri baptism and rais your faith power god rais dead baptism rais life christ roman person faith power god parent faith cannot thi infant faith bibl roman not israelit accept good new for isaiah lord believ messag faith come hear messag and messag heard word christ receiv god gift faith hear messag gospel faith respons hear god word preach kid not spiritu intellectu emotion matur respond god word cannot faith and cannot rais baptism life ezekiel soul sin will die son will not share guilt father will father share guilt son righteous righteou man will credit and wicked wick will charg you read ezekiel you will that god doesn hold guilti for sin can origin guilt adam ezekiel rid offens you committ and heart and spirit will you die hous israel for pleasur death declar sovereign lord repent and live god repent and heart and spirit kid cannot thi act that repent and baptiz will receiv spirit holi spirit live that background origin sin not biblic scriptur us support roman sin enter world man and death sin and thi death men sin sin and death enter world man sin death each man each man sin note that good read roman vers easier misunderstand read context will that basic thing such roman for disobedi man made sinner obedi man will made righteou disobedi each individu each made sinner obedi jesu each will made righteou rememb read thi passag that death each man each man sin not guilt adam bibl contradict encourag you read thi passag your thi point view doesn fit togeth psalm sure sin birth sin time mother conceiv thi psalm wonder exampl humbl ourselv god repent for sin david man god heart and wrote psalm commit adultri bathsheba and murder husband that david that can rememb time wasn sin humbl god confess sin that sin birth hyperbol bibl inspir god isn limit liter interpet figur speech jesu john for anoth exampl hyperbol luke even peopl that baptism requir faith and that origin sin not biblic will argu that infant baptism children sin selfish not share toi children mean hit and fight etc observ children wrong thing gut feel that don bibl agre gut feel isaiah lord will give you sign virgin will child and will give birth son and will call immanuel will eat curd and honei reject wrong and choos church leader will you that thi propheci jesu don point matthew and find leader jesu couldn had knowledg normal human babi thi passag that had matur extent differ and wrong that grow and becom wiser luke and implic that jesu wrong thing child knew choos wrong sinc that jesu perfect sin conclus proof that babi cannot sin don choos wrong jesu baptiz albeit john baptism not infant thirti year man luke and start ministri baptiz luke immedi tempt devil luke matthew mark you for your attent moder thi finish subject for perhap you make faq thi respons that you can repost time time topic come feel free rearrang content you send copi final faq sincer aaron cardena aaronc athena mit edu you overli optimist authorit qualiti your respons origin sin not cathol doctrin held luther and calvin and present form anoth lutheran and reform tradit second that purpos defend infant baptism hominem argument consider evid origin baptist theologi includ origin sin and baptist hold and group that baptiz infant believ origin sin protest sacrament tend bit symbol cathol protest baptiz infant baptism sign god accept accept god tradit protest theologi god grace preced respons and applic children number passag can cite that god accept even children clh
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell imagin worst depth despair you encount worst physic pain you experienc peopl suffer such emot physic and mental anguish live that death merci pain end death you live hundr such live conclus you instantli reborn into anoth you live million billion year thi state thi forev thi happen jesu don not heard live dai suffer and di wage sin paragraph jesu didn pai for sin thi found curiou never quit understood triniti thing hand jesu suppos god incarn time god son for god love world that gave begotten son question jesu god human form god son holi ghost plant seed mari speak that jesu relationship god equival human father son relationship son inherit alot father qualiti not father two separit entiti and that son person father wrong that case jesu and god aren hand relationship isn human father son relationship jesu god incarn not god son and never god manifest jesu thi can knowledg triniti enlighten get back origin question great price that jesu paid redeem sin dy cross sinc jesu knew that rise dai and ascend back heaven hard time thi consid pai such great price for human earthli bodi kill suffer hour physic pain human suffer great deal fact that jesu god begotten son doesn mean sinc god can beget son jesu simpli matter choic suspect that question will offens christian thi net peopl accept sincer apolog not intent offend trivial christ legitim question and genuin curiou note that triniti and incarn look togeth your read virgin birth uncommon thi group danger that believ you suggest jesu god son physic sens holi spirit father and mari mother that terribl heresi peopl react violent virgin birth that jesu birth god respons doesn impli that god sperm involv mean specul that god us joseph genet materi second jesu sens doubli indirect father trinitarian context term son refer etern logo part god son didn come into exist jesu birth jesu incarn son son isn specif result incarn son incarn clh
soc.religion.christian	christian and repeat live paragraph testament opinion make posit infer reincarn don rememb top head basic thi jesu talk apostl and pharise that messiah can come elijah come jesu repli that elijah come not recogn that apostl perceiv that refer john baptist thi impli reincarn thi popular belief judaism jesu time that elijah return had heaven chariot and not die jesu refer john baptist not sens that elijah reincarn john rememb elijah didn die that john similar prophet elijah john fieri preacher wore sackcloth and wander rough israel preach come kingdom vers that describ mark gospel can link refer elijah john similar elijah and jesu draw parallel two drew parallel suffer servant isaiah and messian figur and repli don time relev stuff suffic strong explan rick richard johnston queen univers malon road belfast belfast northern ireland athmail causewai qub
soc.religion.christian	variant text cont andrew cmu edu andrew byler english translat long recens act apostl can found english translat thi can found act apostl translat codex beza introduct lucan origin and import wilson london anoth work that act apostl critic edit introduct and note select passag albert clark oxford reprint thi edit text act that make assumpt that text codex beza authent don contain english translat not anoth that discuss variant detail theolog tendenc codex beza cantabrigiensi act eldon epp cambridg recent refer found edit french earli can suppli refer interest work difficult find you interest examin differ long recens excel and easili obtain discuss can found textual commentari greek bruce metzger unit bibl societi metzger book serv companion volum ub edit greek contain discuss reason that decis each variant read includ ub note addit read includ atcotgnt major occur act introduct section act metzger write attempt made set reader full report english translat addit and modif that attest western wit sinc apparatu text volum care suppli adequ conspectu evid that support diverg read understand that earli codex vaticanu and siniaticu thi version act interest differ long and short form copi text act that includ vaticanu and siniaticu adher pretti close shorter alexandrian version longer version you refer call western version and main wit codex beza althought fragmentari sourc size differ that clark edit mention book act contain word text edit westcott and hort typic alexandrian text contain word differ answer obviou question major revel longer text major omiss shorter text main differ expans detail western text you prefer contract alexandrian western text detail interest specif case thi not place into detail discuss year version authent hot and heavi approach modern consensu that text repres pure authent version each variant read examin merit iii variant alexandrian text not
soc.religion.christian	soc religion christian read post thi newsgroup for past month becom appar that thi group primarili activ liber cathol ager and athiest chang name soc religion perhap even soc religion heck don flame cathol gai and vote for bill clinton your side
soc.religion.christian	virtu puriti modesti and innoc here nice stori explain virtu puriti innoc and modesti and import beauti virtu thi stori excerpt basket flower johann christoph von schmid market town hundr year ago live upright and intellig man name jacob rede marri virtuou young woman and live happili humbl home midst larg beauti val lei live happi year togeth jacob wife di leav alon friend daughter mari even child mari uncommonli pretti grew year pieti innoc modesti and unfeign kindn contact gave beauti rare and peculiar charm face light such indescrib good that almost look angel mari greatest delight beauti garden and favour it flower violet lili and rose jacob love point emblem virtu gender onc earli march brought violet and joyfulli call admir modest violet dear mari you imag humil iti and benevol that good secret cloth tender colour modesti prefer bloom retir grot fill air fragranc remain ing hidden beneath leav you dear mari retir violet avoid vain displai not seek attract public ey prefer good quietud and peac morn rose and lili full bloom and garden appear richest arrai jacob daughter point beauti lili beam morn sun lili dear child you emblem puriti beauti pure and fair whi test linen noth compar puriti petal snow happi maiden heart pure and free stain purest colour hardest preserv pure easili petal lili soil touch carelessli roughli and stain left word thought stain puriti innoc point rose rose dear mari you emblem modesti beauti colour rose blush that rise cheek modest girl sign that pure heart and innoc thought happi maiden suggest thought that indel will blush put guard approach danger cheek readili blush will remain for long time roseat hue fail blush indelicaci thought will becom pale and wan and time grave fruit tree that adorn garden that prize appl tree not larger rose bush and stood middl garden mari father had plant dai that born and year bore number beauti appl onc blossom earlier usual and unusu luxuri tree mass blossom mari delight that morn dress onc full bloom call father and father beauti such love mingl red and white tree huge bunch flower morn hasten into garden feast ey onc tree grief that frost had nip and destroi flower becom brown and yellow and sun strength wither and fell ground mari wept bitter tear sight father sin pleasur destroi bloom youth child never ceas rememb dread seduc path behold exampl appl tree imag happen you wander hope your conduct hitherto rais heart vanish not for dai year for life bitter tear shed your laps virtu your cheek life joi for tear ey sorrowfulli grave spoke tear stood ey mari deepli move and word utter made profound impress mind that never forgot ey father love and wise and amid flower garden mari grew daili statur and intelli genc bloom rose pure lili and retir violet and full promis tree laden blossom happi man time behold plenteous fruit garden reward dilig toil happi and content mark graciou effect produc heart and mind belov daughter piou teach and exampl jacob pluck rose and lili ti togeth bunch and gave mari word lili and rose sister flower belong incompar beauti ren dere love togeth dear child innoc and modesti twin sister virtu and cannot separ greatest and power guardian puriti thought presenc god internet simon giaeb monash edu viva cristo rei long live christ king
soc.religion.christian	hate sin hate sin love sinner heard that quit bit recent context discuss christian and homosexu context isn that import question whether that statement consist christian not hate beget hate never love sin leav unnam sinc don want thi digress into argument whether not sin let appli hate sin philosophi and happen hate sin stronger hatr will becom eventu thi hate becom strong that becom disgust sinner and eventu come hate sinner addit hatr sin and thing person sinner not even sin thi sinner begin hate don love for constant critic behavior hate build and drive peopl god thi cannot good build love summari law christ command love god and love neighbor doesn hate fact command save critic for ourselv christian suppos deal sin suppos that deal sin ourselv prayer god sin and love love can conquer sin hatr place love prai for scott thi signatur thi mine scott holt internet scott prism gatech edu georgia tech gatech prism scott offic inform technolog technic servic
soc.religion.christian	daili vers thi lord almighti you hear word spoken prophet foundat laid for hous lord almighti your hand strong that templ built zechariah
soc.religion.christian	christian crisi hank hanegraaff read thi import book your feel frank wish contend not answer time thousand job
soc.religion.christian	mormon belief bastard erh tesla njit edu write enlighten mormon church view children born wedlock interest stigma attach children oppos parent children born pure sin saint view pregnanc marriag occas mourn church member judgment that problem situat welfar assist provid church bishop requir that famili make effort live gospel standard and provid for occas assist provid children home bishop mine children worthi god keen learn not prohibit mormon faith bastard enter heaven name enter big genealog book mormon salt lake citi not you mean term bastard thi context dai saint that templ ordin famili unit preserv etern you us genealog materi softwar produc church you notic section for templ ordin that section spot for signifi bic stand for born coven children born coupl seal marri templ born coven and elig part that etern famili unit children born coupl whether civil marriag not seal parent marriag solemn for etern suppos child born woman wedlock seal parent date adopt into etern famili unit includ birth parent thi issu offici posit chang time interest learn and belief mail post fine inform pointer appreci can thi principl adopt reveal time seal ordin accept for year church tend discount admonit church author children wedlock even provis lord plan recov wrong church not want give impress can sin and repent leisur idler
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu ml panix michael siemon write atho rutger edu whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu bryan whitsel write homosexu christian check vers us incred pervers interpret simpli not address issu you care and spirit led exegesi gai christian suggest that you stop proof text thing you noth that life death and resurrect jesu christ central christian you person that jesu christ di for you you part christian bodi believ human don homosexu heterosexu strive follow jesu world dy and hear jesu christ you work togeth christian spread gospel gari chin staff engin sun microsystem view gchin eng sun
soc.religion.christian	deuterocan ep sirach for respons hope that spark thought intent restart reform tug two thread messag atho rutger edu andrew cmu edu andrew byler write and point that jew drew canon year found christian religion cross adher canon that drawn faithless reaction chrsitian us greek septuagint includ deutero canon simpli observ that jew not that commun bound such decis don council jamnia heard that not attest histor faithless noth and prefer not specul motiv earli justin had accus jew mutil canon scriptur remov book dialogu trypho real transcript real dialogu fiction effect justin part put that side justin point evidenti want book protest appar prefer that god revel limit decre jew perhap reform travel light evid had stick issu prefer not specul motiv quot luther calvin etc evid thi prefer messag atho rutger edu wagner grace math edu david wagner that not quit accur book enoch canon dave note can that apocrypha not quot christ thi principl text not quot christ cannot count scriptur thi job ruth wrote logic invalid priori talk text part superced xtian view not thi principl exclud ecclesiast thi principl cannot consist appli dave answer reject your argument spirit speak voic and not contradict mean you affirm principl that can exclud sinc fals doctrin you deni affirm impli your statement determin that doctrin fals you affirm teach ecclesiast ultim test canon whether word inspir spirit god breath test guid faith reason logic test that cannot appli orthodox faithfulli that psalm canon can faith not hear priori mention deutero canon book ad church histori thi contrari fact not spiritu qualiti rest scriptur can thi elev principl spiritu qualiti measur spiritu qualiti sirach joshua chronicl dai not church that ad book guid spirit can you you ask for consist check don that book ad construct thi formul beg question can validli faith that book noncanon dave davi ddavi bull opinion activ alon qotd christian not doctrin not mean theori happen and will happen human soul descript that take place human life for conscious sin real event and despair and salvat faith speak such thing bunyan for instanc simpli describ happen want ludwig wittgenstein
soc.religion.christian	legal definit religion unl edu edgar pearlstein write understand that suprem court never legal definit religion thi despit case involv religion that come court can verifi falsifi thi state govern give legal definit religion legal practic todai america imagin legal definit religion defin resembl system belief practic peopl commit for benefit societi opinion secular thought isol polit and educ influenc system belief practic peopl commit harm void benefit societi opinion religi thought defin previou paragraph isol such polit and educ influenc constitut unreason censorship and unlaw violat civil right somedai perhap legal benevol
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu ml panix michael siemon write roman corinthian timothi jude peter gen lev name vers that pertain homosexu homosexu christian check vers us incred pervers interpret simpli not address issu you care and spirit led exegesi gai christian suggest that you stop proof text thing you noth michael michael don clh left faq you post map post two lengthi exeget paper vers look and intertestiment usag term refer suggest you read you talk exeget studi aren provid sourc and mean apsevokoitai jame deyoung publish master seminari journal fall read paper show that shoe foot for honest exegesi refer faq file you unabl acess drop line and will enclos you rexlex fnal fnal gov separ file gave pointer post yesterdai clh
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept articl geneva rutger edu joe moor write speak immacul concept bless virgin gift god basic reason that tradit church held that mari sin jesu for exampl thi write earli father you alon and your mother beauti for blemish you stain your mother children can compar beauti ephrem syrian nisiben hymn lift not sara mari virgin not undefil virgin grace made inviol free stain sin ambros commentari psalm tenet faith develop augustin sin and equat sex and mari assum virgin for life sinc never sin and sinc spous god etc for instanc breed dare speak name holi mari and question not immedi add virgin and holi mari virgin invari ad for that holi woman remain undefil epiphanu salami panacea heresi sure cannot deni that you correct doctrin children mari for lord jesu not chosen born virgin had judg that incontin taint birthplac bodi lord home etern king seed human intercours propos thi propos that christ not born virgin pope siriciu letter anysiu bishop thessalonica note that augustin convers christian don offhand elect bishop hippo quit belief mari perpetu virgin origin long augustin time hold that origin apostl strictli speak mari perpetu virgin independ immacul concept mari immacul conceiv and not remain virgin remain virgin and not immacul conceiv sinc had thi notion origin sin that man born predisposit sin and sinc mari not thi predisposit not sin didn origin sin scienc discov process concept step assum that mari conceiv origin sin immacul concept held church sinc ancient time that origin sin transmit concept person life begin biologi had noth prayerfulli reflect truth mari sinless and mean god achiev thi church arriv truth immacul concept immacul concept not doctrin logic result understand two celebr feast immacul concept pope sixtu and feast made precept feast church pope clement mari that time appear girl name bernadett lourd refer immacul concept sinc year know doctrin apparit deem true and seal case for doctrin lourd privat revel and doctrin not base privat revel that privat revel can enhanc and deepen understand exist public revel end death john apostl second case for doctrin irreform seal cathedra promulg bull ineffabili deu pope piu thi meant that doctrin formal recogn dogma dogma definit cannot chang and requir believ faith apparit lourd happen year that claim that lourd gave infal proclam sort heavenli stamp approv church never claim that christ peac brad kaiser bradk isdgsm eurpd csg mot trust understand truth and faith abid love grace and merci holi and care elect wi nab
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl atho rutger edu muddmj wkuvx bitnet write capabl comprehend god law not account for live book life and not remov can make consciou decis disobei god idler babi not suppos baptis doesn bibl never come and peopl that wrong taught can baptis christ solemli assur you can enter god kingdom born water and spirit not surpris that you you begotten thi born origin sin mike attach mean israelit enter promis land christian submit god not hold children respons adult chose follow bad report spi joshua and caleb thi record for deuteronomi your prei and your children that dai had knowledg good and evil thither and will give and possess ag point matur held respons and not enter promis land younger not held rule not god answer not fool folli thou answer fool folli wise conceit proverb
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept joe buehler write explan for reaction angel greet that grasp angel get that mother messiah and knew thi entail suffer thi gave moment paus priest gave interest explan that word mari point not doubt troubl thought complet humbl humbl and not revel frequent confus high prais mari rightli
soc.religion.christian	definit christian enrol histori christian colleg loui teacher class close mind and bigot subject definit christian definit ti directli that triniti and cathol church definit and belief jesu christ not suffici call christian doesn make nevertheless feel insult neurot respond sens literaci maintain amiabl student teacher relationship common definit christian previou discuss triniti not lend exchang flame hope that thi will not produc major flame regard larri autri silicon graphic loui autri sgi into discuss christian number definit start broadest commonli us definit histor definit peopl accept christ lord and savior broad doctrin definit narrow doctrin definit histor definit mean sort definit secular historian like us thi includ group that develop christian church and continu broad cultur unitarian fail doctrin test you come clear that that group develop christian and peopl background hindu like part christian thi not definit christian relev polit and ethnic context accept christ lord and savior test us christian group for membership southern baptist and presbyterian church usa qualifi that peopl mind exclus commit christ that accept christ god not fit attempt formul criterion that religi not base technic doctrin thi definit group such arian view heret christian christian modern context thi includ mormon and on pentecost view heret christian christian practic fall into thi categori accept apostl creed level attempt give broad doctrin definit includ major strand christian exclud group that felt histor christian thi slipperi enterpris sinc cathol argu that protest histor christian etc commonli accept definit base nicen creed and formula chalcedon attempt character doctrin that major strand christian agre kei thi extent matter judgement mormon will regard ld church major strand and will not want includ that contradict belief thi definit fairli broad accept final peopl us definit that limit specif christian tradit evangel christian had evangel style convers experi and even heard group that limit specif church you can find context each definit us lot depend purpos you for you descript histori anthropolog you us definit you norm you christian messag you us definit even clh
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian muirm argon ga organpip uug arizona edu maxwel muir write clear refer paul letter rom passag that presuppos that homosexu evil note that passag isn homosexu idolatri homosexu visit peopl punish result idolatri number argument thi passag not us word homosexu and refer peopl natur heterosexu practic homosexu not call explicit teach homosexu that that murder wrong for aren natur murder and steal wrong for aren natur thiev will dalla cowboi world champion
soc.religion.christian	satan kick heaven biblic articl atho rutger edu mdw uxa cso uiuc edu michael walker write eastee wkuvx bitnet write question satan taught long time ago that satan angel god and kick heaven challeng god author problem cannot find thi bibl bibl not origin quick answer revel and mention earlier apocryph book enoch satan appar kick for time assert will will hmmm pro choic kinda creepi refer bibl take angel get heaven
soc.religion.christian	question write paper religion and reflect and affect modern music thi questionair summari question answer respons request and can mail directli gtd prism gatech edu mail not post advanc matt kressel you feel group diecid slayer and dio freeli admit practic satan and preach song you feel group petra stryper whitecross and holi soldier promot and sing cristian you feel group front xtc revolt cock minor threat and ministri condon and sing atheism you feel band shelter preach hare krishna religion and minor not unheard religion you feel differ promot music that support cristian and music that condon satan you feel thi type music you listen you purchas music that music lyric underton religion you feel that music listen affect view religion religion gener affect you view your religion religion feel free add comment matthew owen kressel gtd prism gatech edu noth settl man mind wonderfulli knowledg that will hang morn arthur clark
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu biz soil princeton edu write atheist prayer roommat atheist listen randal lee nichola mandock catechist prism gatech edu
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian respons alleg circular reason moral homosexu clh pose challeng order break circl reason homosexu wrong answer circl simpl break church teach that homosexu behavior immor thi teach raw impassion unassail dogma that close argument for randal lee nichola mandock catechist prism gatech edu understand that peopl reason for not accept homosexu point make that specif argument wouldn stand clh
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin eugen bigelow ebai sun geno write joseph buehler write thi appli equal infant adult sinc soul infant baptiz cannot enter into heaven thi form life cannot enter into heaven you that baptism noth ask jesu come into your heart and accept your savior ritual that enabl enter heaven feel baptism thi parent baptiz babi that babi sanctifi grace baptism and remov origin sin soul event unexpect death that parent speak behalf child young speak thi not surpris don parent for babi that appli babi physic not spiritu god grace purpos confirm for babi young adult decid affirm for promis that parent made baptism that accept jesu into your heart come baptism parent jesu come into babi heart confirm child repeat that request independ person feel pretti close doctrin posit cathol church thi issu can back correct
soc.religion.christian	mari assumpt mpaul unl edu marxhausen paul write hate sound flippant shot mouth badli net afraid that thi materi add feel that assumpt mari phrase assumpt mari time read mari thi group can not recal read mari that not sound wish vener scant scriptur foundat find testament real portrait christ parent compellingli human person honor and admir for humil and submiss god work doubt almalga mation theori and dogma that accret imag alien and inhuman creatur untouch sin human desir christ sanctifi and even knew temptat albeit submit don necess holi parent sanctifi normal human sound inabl grasp immens god grace incarn dinari human won start yell peopl worship mari etc sinc folk told that lose part god incarn christ make parent sinless sexless deathless otherworldli be paul marxhausen paul you wonder job not humani offend cathol hopefulli can care word you don want extend thi topic into entir major issu debat anymor note two don talk jesu parent doctrin posit church unequivoc mari and joseph person never heard attribut joseph sainthood that refer sinless assum into heaven immacul conceiv etc idea appli mari agre scriptur evid for doctrin mari needless that present signific problem accept bibl sourc doctrin turn sacr tradit undivid christian church problem find plentli evid that basic unanim belief apostl and earli gener that mari assum into heaven bodi and soul etc etc wasn reform that doctrin call into question concern personali feel choic apostl luther choos apostl time whether not record write that tradit men determin bibl coupl note that agre polit disagre god peac and bless you your search discov absolut truth mike walker mdw uxa cso uiuc edu univ illinoi
soc.religion.christian	thought deuterocanon time recent thi list last dai heard passag revel add sacr word thi book remov word thi book us arguement deutercanon book feel thi ridicul for two reason weren ad cathol church part consid inspir scriptur thi dealt previou post reason repeat info like not that john whomev wrote book revel consid scriptur not thing you and hold hand take translat thi book rev mean scriptur like hold that violat thi command imposs exactli date scriptur even didn date letter guess had bibl fact straight that letter chief peter like date composit earli second centuri revel almost written durin reign domit argu that sin accept peter scriptur sinc ad book composit revel told add noth you want exact date copi american bibl follow thi tomorrow rememb mike walker mdw uxa cso uiuc edu univ illinoi
soc.religion.christian	capit punish articl atho rutger edu mmh dc qmw matthew huntbach write extent that roman cathol church approv disapprov capit punish confirm recent catech rc surpris and upset that capit punish not explicitli condemn quot journal dai church and world draft univers catech procur common good societi aris that aggressor posit cannot harm virtu thi and oblig public author punish proportion penalti includ death penalti acknowledg for similar reason legim author imped aggressor societi us arm church tradit teach express and will continu express consider real condit common good and effect mean for preserv public order and person safeti degre that mean death penalti and militari oper suffici peac violent provis prefer proport and keep final goal protect peac and human digniti shown thi excerpt church teach capit punish remain todai past total accord sentiment that not disagre us deadli forc case for thi option justifi not your biblic quot can automat support for capit punish that roman cathol you oppos abort and onsid wrong and object even legalis author seek conform will will god expound instrument visibl church earth whenev question faith moral aris randal lee nichola mandock catechist prism gatech edu
soc.religion.christian	bibl languag satan toung articl atho rutger edu bjorn larsen delab sintef write articl atho rutger edu koberg spot colorado edu allen koberg write concept tongu us pentecost outdat concept bibl languag and missionari languag church tongu guess peopl not support thi claim lot languag bibl part bibl languag not write simpli written version languag not defin suppos that true notic qualifi languag and missionari can speak imagin languag and dialect fact that not languag written gospel lend credenc concept pentecost type xenoglossolalia sinc tongu occur not place written languag church full peopl written languag and bibl that languag nitpick
soc.religion.christian	bibl immacul concept andi byler write biblic basi for dogma immacul concept will put enmiti you serpent and woman and your seed and seed can read crush your head and you bruis heel genesi commit sin devil john hail full grace greek kecharitomen lord thee luke hebrew genesi gender masculin crush your head and you bruis heel latin feminin form accid grammar andrew state that kecharitomen mean not full grace plenitud perfect grace word us testament ephesian prais glori grace hath grace belov son rheim douai translat cannot find indic dictionari that verb impli strong andrew suggest ephesian passag suggest that verb mean preserv taint origin actual sin moment exist comment mean verb prefer not writer discuss luke moment jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	two nit pick gerri palo write adam and ev and golgotha process fall man occur thi involv gradual dim conscious spiritu world thi discern world outlook peopl histori greek for exampl beggar land live king land dead iliad not swear that noth sort found iliad passag thought odyssei thereabout copi line number ghost acchil speak robert fitzgerald translat break sod farm hand for poor countri man iron ration lord exhaust dead passag thought ecclesiast live dog dead lion hand notion firmli embed christian that origin pagan sourc idea that human consist essenti soul and that soul creat birth conscious adopt aristotl idea domin christian thought for fifteen hundr year and todai sure aristotl had influenc christian thought jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	bernadett date joe moor write mari that time appear girl name bernadett lourd refer immacul concept sinc year know doctrin apparit deem true and seal case for doctrin bernadett year had vision year dogma had offici proclaim pope jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	satan toung articl atho rutger edu bjorn larsen delab sintef write chose whetev want not allow defin christian part you that not vice versa not give plai joke your belief import christian damag peopl speak tongu make claim that miracul speak foreign languag power holi spirit can easili shown that simpli make nois damag christian sinc not christian not distinguish sect modest claim for tongu that simpli uncontrol prais word fail you sure that us make us thi practic agre point that charismat practic thi can lead form worship worshipp show genuin prais for god thing jesu warn matthew huntbach
soc.religion.christian	jacob and esau gerri palo wrote that noth christian that exclud theori success live wrote that apostl paul roman speak god choos jacob esau and add that thi not result that child had sinc had not born paul not that had had previou live suppos that reader will for had had previou live not make sens good bad sinc not born daniel cossack write whether fair for god hate easau esau noth bad repli that hebrew standard usag speak hate meant simpli put second place exampl matthew man can serv two master for will hate and love fals that man two master hate true that put second place dog that come billi bobbi call will problem stand place and call simultan cannot give prioriti second place origin exampl second place mean that jacob not esau chosen bear coven bless and oblig and ancestor christ eugen bigelow mention matthew john baptist and will receiv thi elijah come thi mean that john elijah figur dress and live elijah preach elijah and fulfil predict that elijah prepar for messiah not that elijah liter sens and appar john jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	rfd soc religion taiz thi rfd propos for newsgroup promot share johannin hour propos each month monk ecumen commun taiz pronounc zai franc name propos newsgroup soc religion taiz unmoder purpos group taiz commun intern ecumen commun monk base franc young adult come search for mean life and deepen understand faith share thi newsgroup will such share monthli johannin hour will post begin each month johannin hour involv short commentari bibl passag question for reflect thought that aris consequ and that you share can post not interest theolog debat and even polem expertis requir idea anoth deepen understand scriptur relat life journei idea johannin hour born taiz simpl respons assimil bibl messag midst daili life work studi imposs spend long hour silenc and reflect can hour time time enter church sit quietli home for walk wood silenc can medit passag scriptur listen voic christ time silenc import concentr understand and not wast time worri biblic express find difficult hear voic christ idea commun understood christ not burden hesit tell brought joi led run risk trust deepli perhap read and johannin hour thi newsgroup share reflect and discoveri import thing complementar two aspect person aspect silent person reflect and commun aspect share usenet make part worldwid network background taiz commun background inform life and vocat taiz pronounc zai commun parabl communion august europ grip world war brother roger ag set home almost abandon villag taiz eastern franc dream bring togeth monast commun live parabl commun sign reconcili midst distress time center life prayer us hous conceal refuge jew flee nazi occup intern and ecumen commun taiz founder spent two year alon join and easter brother commit togeth common life and celibaci year year enter commun each make lifelong commit year prepar todai brother cathol and protest background twenti countri live small group poor neighbourhood asia africa north and south america brother accept donat gift for not even famili inherit and commun hold capit brother earn live and share work sister saint andrew intern cathol commun found year ago live neighbour villag share respons welcom peopl taiz taiz and young intercontinent meet young adult and young come taiz greater number sinc hundr thousand peopl europ and brought togeth common search intercontinent meet place each week sundai sundai year and includ youth and countri week meet give each person opportun explor root faith and reflect unit life and human solidar meet summer can particip week time dai brother and hill come togeth for common prayer church reconcili built villag church small pilgrimag trust earth commun never want creat movement peopl call commit church home neighbourhood citi villag support thi taiz creat call pilgrimag trust earth end each year pilgrimag european meet bring togeth ten thousand young adult part europ for dai major citi meet asia and unit state year brother roger write open letter young complet stai poor region world translat into thirti languag and provid theme for reflexion for year note discuss creation thi newsgroup will place new group for inform contact brother roi almac brother roi almac taiz commun taiz franc
soc.religion.christian	legal definit religion edgar pearlstein ask fri whether suprem court govern author attempt legal definit religion univers militari train and servic act exempt draft religi train and belief oppos particip war form defin individu belief relat suprem involv duti superior aris human relat not includ essenti polit sociolog philosoph view person moral code case unit state seeger suprem court broaden definit not restrict explicit theist justic tom clark deliv court opinion conclud that congress express suprem design god test belief relat superm whether belief that sincer and meaning occupi place life possessor parallel that fill orthodox belief god qualifi for exempt such belief parallel posit live respect holder cannot that relat suprem and not refer freedom nat hentoff delacort dell jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	athiest and hell articl atho rutger edu ptrei bistromath mitr org peter trei write articl atho rutger edu rexlex fnal fnal gov write delet point todai mason note that worship osiri egypt delet bug thi kind nonsens reason evid link masonri ancient egypt even that exist prior late centuri and noth definit wife uncl level mason book death brother and greiv widow bodi had even cool don you don worship osiri you not past your level you read wilkinson egyptian and show thi egyptian religion parallel british masonri man thi laboratori degre black mason talk like hide mysteri special handshak and start evangel told kind special thi and special that trueli mysteri religion public side motorcyl mania and children hospit and priviat side that highest degre mason learn second worship osiri not part mason practic strictli denomin haven read literatur that offer silver hair apologist can rememb name didn exactli come thi conclus khon son great goddess mother gernaer repres full grown god babylonian divin repres frequent egupt waya land nativ child mother arem thi osiri son husband mother exhibit and learn thi god equal case khonso show that origin nimrod admit that secret system free masonri origin found mysteri egyptian isi goddess mother wife osiri led union mason bodi mysteri had not had refer architectur and had god worship not celebr for success perfect art fortif and build such case relat egypt stood babylon natur liik great patron mason art strong presumpt that nimrod man that gain faim thi child babylonian goddess mother worship charact ala mahozim god fortif osiri child egyptian modonna equal celebr strong chief build thi strong chief build orignin worship egypt physical characterist nimrod notic fact that nimrod son cush negro tradit egypt record plutarch that osiri black hislop cold slap face wife uncl brought cerimoni dress and leopard skin mean real leopard skin told that highest degre wore leopard skin reason that start tell thi that had coupl month live and wife had led save faith christ and immedi repent mysteri lodg nimr rod nimr leopard and rada rad subdu univers principl idolatri that high priest wear insignia god serv represent osiri show wear leopard interest that druid britian show hide thi represent worship spot cow stand statement masonri mysteri religion that find sourc babylon great harlot peter not mean cold slap face evid contrari that masonri doesn find origin egypt mason person talk refer egypt origin you separ thi not year ago freeli admit rex
soc.religion.christian	etern marriag mormon templ articl atho rutger edu dhammer pacif david hammerslag write thi paragraph brought mind question you mormon reconcil idea etern marriag christ statement that ressurect peopl will marri marriag luke chapt wrote time ago respons similar question hope help begin repeat previou post for scriptur mention agre that problem not for etern marriag marriag gener luke version jesu that children thi world marri and marriag not will attain kingdom heaven almost sound marriag disqualifi for salvat matthew and mark omit thi statement account not clear incid and can come reason idea mean scriptur involv mat mark and luke happen that sadduce not resurrect thought trap jesu made refer leverit marriag requir brother man di children widow wife and rais children children consid children deceas woman husband had father obviou thi that woman consid wife husband sadduce concoct scene brother deceas each turn fail father children widow impli that leverit marriag equal for wife resurrect thi point obviou that wife husband had born children credit brother biolog father jesu refer thi err not know scriptur power god mat compar mark phrase not luke account sadduce wife will resurrect that had jesu answer that resurrect marri marriag mat rise dead marri mark account worthi obtain that world marri luke account angel heaven equival find thi last not help sinc bibl not defin angel give idea life minist claim that sexless that human etc can find biblic support for thi jesu and clearest matthew and mark account that marriag will not perform resurrect thi belief that person marri thi earth that marriag perform author god can bind etern fact marriag appear perform god death enter world garden eden god hath join togeth not man put asund mat jesu told peter and apostl that whatsoev bind earth bound heaven mat that thi refer marriag perform proper author
soc.religion.christian	christian counsel psycholog folk hope net netter help profess counsel psycholog psychiatri social work therapi etc network topic and possibl sci counsel christian type newsgroup list integr psycholog and counsel and theologi subject great debat and interest you lemm email direct you will can anoth new don miller unlv helio nevada edu
soc.religion.christian	dream and bodi incid hub ucsb edu david goggin write fairli group tho heard your comment question that mind lot moral ethic appli dream and bodi incid normal dream you can control you aren moral respons for your action queasi phrase aren moral respons perhap heard misus time rememb colleg folk argu that person drunk not moral respons for action gener folk can control dream perhap you dai and impact and not action dream will note that jesu adam fact that thought life import action lightli thi argument moral respons for and dream import part that altern dream and oob total mental phenomena thi case moral appli call mental hygien that not evil indulgin overli sexi violent thought don thing bodi experi had dream fairli vivid oob vivid dream argu that extrem interest thi sort phenomena tad riski jesu and relat that cultiv strong interest dream you feel plagu dream that pain and control prai and dream and oob realiti anoth plane evid for thi that dream and oob sometim common person earth your definit exactli case two peopl had substanti dream time and brother had spent dai thing dream similiar plane spiritu realm don dream perhap occasion prophet repres actual action altern plane real action consciou thought direct moral signific assum that garbl text dream occur environ moral law appli guess you don slightest hint christian write that environ person determin moral for christian won come jesu case truth anoth altern respond post email truth don claim expert dream note that bibl doesn talk dream realm god speak caveat that such messag not clear warn that not give lot attent you feel your dream you discount talk altern plane place such concept commonli bandi for part hostil christian run into occasion except you want christian you want care idea thi
soc.religion.christian	bastard mormon belief bastard relev post thi subject deut bastard not enter into congreg lord even tenth gener not enter into congreg lord
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl atho rutger edu adamsj gtewd mtv gtegsc write samuel rsv interpret thi mean that child heaven david will somedai don claim for thi appli babi not even thi you thi that bring interest question thi interpret correct peopl get into heaven jesu open gate heaven steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	dream and bodi incid articl atho rutger edu hub ucsb edu david goggin write your comment question that mind lot moral ethic appli dream and bodi incid normal dream you can control you aren moral respons for your action you can contriv control action dream oob moral appli that immor dream lust dream dream you commit act violenc etc etc sign that sin heart holi spirit allow sin that come light that can prai and remov gener pure heart and set mind thing that holi will holi even dream dream can lord joseph and nebucadnezzar two exampl peopl bibl receiv dream lord bodi experi thi that care call oob can spiritu natur experi wit christian avoid occult activ that gener bodi experi thing that call oob lord paul wrote oob corinthian wrote spiritu experi caught into heaven oob trueli oob leav bodi imag shown spirit demon holi spirit don matter that paul not that care not open ourselv satan experi oob not medit and pretend place spirit appar float thi danger god gice oob can that sovereign will bibl that prophet god sovereign will and not seek oob john spirit prai lord dai caught vision receiv ezeki talk jewish leader caught into vision god time god into vision can peopl care not open evil spirit for sake thrill link hudson
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl atho rutger edu eugen bigelow ebai sun write thi appli equal infant adult sinc soul infant baptiz cannot enter into heaven thi form life cannot enter into heaven you that baptism noth ask jesu come into your heart and accept your savior ritual that enabl enter heaven don joe such thing your question ask jesu come into your heart impli that infant not allow christ baptism view peopl sort prodig son type thing sudden chang heart not accept christ suddenli accept christ can peopl start christ shortli birth and build relationship man suddenli meet woman and marri that dai experi learn that relationship built includ relationship god joe speak standpoint that baptism not ritual that god bestow sacrament grace recipi for mental faculti christ sacrament bestow grace recipi and make perman mark adopt into god famili soul steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	peter wrote that thought that peter meant propheci scriptur reader suggest written propheci privat opinion writer toni zamora repli sat that thi turn impli that not subject privat interpret reader not that understand thi sens statement anoth subject privat interpret reliabl historian that athenian lost pelopennesian war cannot simpli interpret thi want athenian win fact fact and not want anoth sens statement subject privat interpret that depend brain and experei decid mean and whether suffici attest merit assent even statement occur inspir write decid judgement whether fact inspir thi not arrog inescap fact jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	earthquak predict articl atho rutger edu dan ingr rose aros write god call prophet and misrepres god word call lost forev god word command peopl never listen fear word fals prophet bridg burnt forev perhap repent and save never prophet god command law not heed propheci fals for propheci fals propheci trueli for exampl stori king man god judah israel and propheci king lord had command not eat drink till return home anoth prophet want thi man god stai hous propheci fals that lord want man god stai hous at and drank hous lord gave prophet li word that man god die break word lord pass link hudson
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian ambigu mean word passag you quot liber and conserv sourc agre that homosexu not gener term for homosexu like mean homosexu prostitut understand experi thi word and discuss greek liter individu mean word clear basic liter mean bed man sex man burden proof pro homosexu side argument show that word idiomat mean evid liter mean can specul dai long that mean evid creat doctrin and rid histor understand mean thi word link hudson read discuss thi passag liber and conserv sourc that mean even liter mean not that doesn mean can come conclus mean that doubt paul think homosexu plausibl argument for coupl mean clh
soc.religion.christian	mari assumpt articl atho rutger edu mpaul unl edu marxhausen paul write feel that assumpt mari phrase text delet don necess holi parent sanctifi normal human sound inabl grasp immens god grace incarn dinari human text delet paul marxhausen you paul impress human ness mari that god chose woman bring into thi world incarn prove that thi god god reach perfect touch sheila patterson cit technic support group ccc cornel univers ithaca
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian new cbnewsk att write arrog arrog not result religion result peopl know firmli believ idea and desir show right assum that god decid judg for sake kind and merci judg judg judg ourselv not agre thi agre that arrog not result religion and that god judg agre you mean that arrog show form prove superior knowledg right holi anoth person belief care understand you mean that not fall into mistak misrepres your view fall thi area hope you will forgiv arrog not result believ believ that god greater god believ that religion religion natur impli belief contradictori that current belief wrong find error belief natur chang and follow belief correct that not arrog that unavoid behavior nonsens that anoth person god greater god god greater wouldn oblig chang that god becom god natur oblig worship that god deem greatest feel oblig worship second god for sake feel humbl arrog not necessarili think onesself intellig stronger resourc anoth person doubt will chew thi awhil passiv observ superior point arrog god arrog humil not rest slander belittl god work creation live peopl humbl anoth not smart poor not good worm ground such weak person and don want sin cannot thi person trueli humbl approach god you for make you that you never second that you unthank you power resist devil not us indulg exactli you not slander your creation life and credit humil for lord you complet unfaith and not deserv your forgiv and your love for boundless that you give die for save terribl evil deserv straight hell pleas you rescu thi terribl life led lord forgiv and stai track that can bring glori your name insult lord for wrong chang peopl except offens religi arrog don want wrong find arrog typic don for found hard differ time humbl christian come across arrog proud worm ground fals humil type person found comfort compani wrong and arrog wrong don feel confront wrong confront verbal wrong like snap and examin head toe for fault and charg hypocrici for root desir make shut that can live life arrogantli confront silent exampl earn respect and perhap mention humil privat feel broken and challeng seek god for chang error wai hard part get point can humbl humil pride hypocrici sincer whether onlook will frown not isn easi thi pain love thank for opportun improv abil serv god easier cast hope reach true humil and hide slander god creation live examin ourselv hope type thi back and react situat such emot for instanc feel justifi insult arrog person need reason feel insult insult and word you toughen decid not insult ignor insult you can justifi feel anger insult outrag that doesn make that reaction thi light examin that can chang emot reaction sometim help can understand and feel differ true statement charact and fals and slander statement charact devil accus bretheren love feel hopelessli guilti innoc and feel arrog and righteou wrong devil aim into miseri can devil cruel and merci crimin torment parent burn children hot iron devil get father skin hurt that father love deplor horribl crime child murder want prevent not punish reach root evil practic inmost soul revolt dread deed mater motiv love eas desir save suffer unborn innoc woman guilti commit deed thrice guilti drove desper impel crime susan anthoni revolut juli
soc.religion.christian	daili vers you will receiv power holi spirit come you and you will wit jerusalem and judea and samaria and end earth act
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl atho rutger edu eugen bigelow ebai sun write babi not suppos baptis doesn bibl never come and peopl that wrong taught can baptis thi not sound argument for baptis babi assum that bibl doesn specif that you don that mean that you specif term for thi form logic escap sound you appli thi bibl doesn specif that wrong coincident lead perfectli into question ponder thi logic assumpt that not bibl not don that below slaveri immor can assum that thi group doesn jesu apostl speak own slave common practic back paul speak that immor appar thought import talk thing not drunkard doesn mention slaveri god moral etern and don chang moral societi immor todai letter philemon paul hint that slave releas slaveri time not type slaveri had comparison indentur servitud don want into discuss slaveri demonstr your point don relev origin poster not that absenc specif condemen prove not immor back origin poster assert not fact make logic error you accus state fact that bibl not that babi cannot baptiz that bibl that baptiz enter heaven includ infant scriptur contrari except sinc except list bibl assum safe side that bibl mean that baptiz enter heaven and baptiz infant summar you accus origin poster not forbidden bibl that prove cannot disproven true assert that sinc bibl not forbid you cannot prove bibl that not differ prove whether not can proven disproven theori provabl field logic and prove disprov logic error avoid fall into convers that cannot proven fals thi error sola scriptura believ thing that can proven that cannot us scriptur alon prove infant baptism evid favor steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	satan toung articl atho rutger edu hudson athena uga edu paul hudson write articl atho rutger edu koberg spot colorado edu allen koberg write hmmm testament stori tower babel god punish give languag can assum that angel languag that angel not punish manner languag sepak result babel stand reason that angel speak languag you valid point multipl angel languag angel be speci speak speci commun differ don truth angel even guess that angel speak nativ tongu person talk perhap don languag troubl such stori abound and attempt verif and test spirit show that wit had real idea circumst that outright fabric involv brother puka stori previou post friend friend thing and linguist two syllabl word qualifi languag inflect heard eyewit account such thing hard prove don lend laboratori thing don holi thing gift into laboratori told test spirit you thi scriptur someon claim back bibl noth wrong make that that gui lazaru dead and aliv faith healer troubl prove victori sinc ailment cure plain unprov and modern dai ressurrect never valid true that modern dai xenoglossolalia prove clergi lai that unprov statement can you prove someth prove that you evid onc orthodontist record complet photograph show patient sever underbit cure constant prayer common fallaci you commit falsifi trick can prove not evid answer can fallaci assum that prove never proven talk make claim not skeptic prove burden proof rest claimant pontif warn legal system head danger realm make peopl prove innoc end pontif truthfulli corinthian poorli written poorli translat into english that remain unknown paul intend despit claim hard proof anoth will write cor don thi don thi and sarcasm metaphor etc liter sarcasm and metaphor notwithstand read cor prai speak tongu build oneself church compar contrast thi build church thi build onself impli don that common usag write that emploi and easili interpret thi and don mysteri
soc.religion.christian	save and import point that your recoveri happen glad save user karen lauro camelot brad write found or coincident that week put faith mouth long line doctor and not even orthopeod specialist diagnos problem difficulti set path effect cure and walk and run pain that had stop that for year diagnosi felt doctor overlook perfectli obviou test result point that make that coincid thi occur high frequenc think and had that person call psychic phenomenon easili explic thi forget miss your astrolog forcast newspap time you that that not you rememb hit miss will frequent save user karen lauro camelot brad write thi doesn hit you miracul imagin activ year told not walk mcuh longer and happi year can danc and run know that problem and reveal knew song and heal your afflict wors and you end paralyz you attribut that god that work satan you that good god and evil satan couldn agoni come god poor job david hunt graduat slave mind mechan engin idea opinion palestinian and carnegi mellon univers us golden rule jewish homeland email bluelobst cmu edu work pile higher and deeper gostak distim doch
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl atho rutger edu eugen bigelow ebai sun write eugen bigelow write doesn bibl that god fair god sic thi true can thi possibl fair infant andrew byler write you mean fair god give deserv infant sin time concept roman psalm cannot possibl merit heaven and purgatori for purg tempor punish and venial sin imposs that origianl sin can forgiven fair punish you and rest human adam and ev suppos your parent commit crime you born and dai cop come your door and throw you jail for you that fair wouldn suppos your mother crack addict and crack user abus pregnant suppos your husband gave you sdt thi recent happen close friend wife and mine consequ sin partial inflict innoc peopl time thi point even that descend suffer consequ for person sin for gener even todai multi gener coin phrase effect alcohol child abus and spousal abus name god definit fair and our differ point perspect predisposit sin inbr webster definit inbr adam arrog and foolish for shoe pretti and not that good god word for you righteou import person decid discipl jesu god promis supernatur overcom physic sin tendenc can choos ignor thi rom god made mankind upright men search scheme eccl mark mark wuest opinion not mdw violin att sun mailtool mdw trumpet att mail
soc.religion.christian	faq essai homosexu moder write view thi even accept view paul express rom that homosexu not god intend that occur result sin conclud that time live note that creation stori work enter human life result sin thi doesn mean that christian can stop work save note that god command adam work fall lord god man and put garden eden work and care gen niv work god design begin ken clarifi word kind labor impos fall statement stand mislead clh
soc.religion.christian	faq essai homosexu you final your file faq you want correct typo kinsei below sourc figur percent defin sexual behavior not orient and rank person scale complet heterosexu complet heterosexu end rate scale identifi homosexu person note guess differ you question work enter human life result sin note that creation stori work enter human life result sin fall gen and lord god man and put into garden eden dress and call work for differ introduc sin pain aspect work ad fall curs ground appli work for susten view work bless ecclesiast fun book for melancholi hope not sound caustic you can enlighten thi delic subject and guess you accomplish you state your purpos summar argument for allow christian homosexu not for nobl goal you write faq you tempor appar sentenc specif homosexu you propos arguabl tenuous defin danger advis christian depend such chang clear convers doesn happen almost peopl left despair feel exclud church that noth requir life long celibaci perhap that true celibaci homosexu relat refrainng choic relationship that not forbid heterosexu not enjoi heterosexu relat for worth thi depend person case answer even you ask assum talk marriag not want suggest sex that you talk perman commit kind sexual relationship that aren can live peopl for thi solut whether fair partner cousin victim exactli thi situat found death that husband had had problem sexual ident famili conserv christian knew and push into get marri continu problem and divorc di accid circumst rel odd sinc had sex chang oper and move state state hold job keep children kind home life set grandpar irrespons hope you can understand not enthusiast push homosexu into marriag like cousin thi sort emot issu for for thi sort situat that dealt pastor and not matter fix ideolog clh
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu new cbnewsk att write paul repeatedli talk thorn side refer lust pride thorn appar not compat christian that make epistl reason that paul thorn flesh sin life that make sens light paul write total write press for mark and bodi submit doubt paul had struggl flesh christian paul associ thorn satan messeng and physic infirm and tribul not sin life link hudson
soc.religion.christian	cathol doctrin predestin articl atho rutger edu noy midwai uchicago edu write you proof and not div school student cathol church not accept predestin chaplain told bewar greek bear gift refer thi doctrin curiou result that human be not held respons for action answer you deal thi minut cathol doctrin predestin not exclud free will sinc god that happen free will and chang happen sinc god choic will make advanc god not subject time argument pit predestin free will steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	quot argument for theism sun damon wrote christian friend mine onc reason that never creat not exist creat and exist creator hesit comment valid thi not your friend meant meant that exist creat open obviou retort that god exist and god creat perhap your friend meant that exist that time not exist and ourselv brought into exist thi plausibl atheist repli parent engend your friend explain infinit regress not satisfactori explan support philosoph not ordinarili consid religi ayn rand and tradit aristotl argu for bridg gap entiti and god abraham assert that thing observ ultim depend thing radic unlik physicist disagre jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	save brycen norwegian journalist student and christian for your testimoni want you question you heavi metal music you christian you christian band barren cross whitecross bloodgood and stryper that plai that kind music feel sometim listen lyric don listen christian band listen secular music hope you strong christ ann kristin froeystad colleg nordland norwai
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl atho rutger edu eugen bigelow ebai sun write augustin not invent origin sin cathol faith hold ancient time you deni doubt follow heresi nuptii lib fair punish you and rest human adam and ev suppos your parent commit crime you born and dai cop come your door and throw you jail for you that fair wouldn you not that fair sin you that affect sinner fair for even into heaven heaven even lead sinless live your argument god wouldn thing that god doesn thing that isaiah for thought not your thought your wai wai saith lord for heaven higher earth wai higher your wai and thought your thought origin sin biblic roman wherefor man sin enter into world and death sin and death pass men for that sin for law sin world sin not imput law nevertheless death reign adam mose even that had not sin similitud adam transgress figur that come corinthian for adam die even christ made aliv steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christiani ofm write thi issu presbyterian church side major church cincinnati ordain homosexu elder and presbyteri instruct not and church rochest judici commiss couldn instal homosexu pastor made evangelist situat you describ not stabl thi will major topic for gener assembl month church can come solut that will peopl live each end split side that push into action side clh moder gener assembl rev john fife visit church week ago dai rev spahr busi week for small church ask specif issu homosexu and think will happen meet month evid resolut pend that rang gamut outlaw homosexu altogeth legal complet will readili admit that thi probabali difficult issu that church had deal sinc presbyterian church split two issu slaveri year ago question issu split church reunit for dozen year hope that will not and push attitud that help church deal abort issu last year solut hope pass resolut that state that member church agre disagre issu admit that side honestli studi scriptur and had spirit lead conclus work last year abort issu threaten thing and hope that can foster love and care attitud peopl disagre view cliff slaughterbeck dept physic time for sermon univers washington grand torino seattl hard agre disagre disagr presbyteri and church ordain peopl that will not recogn that difficult situat connect church live lot peopl not will note that church not will live thi kind compromis ordin women thing that will prevent person presbyterian minist that don accept ordin women argument that can half church not accept leader half peopl will decid live thi case didn admit that presbyteri submit overtur that exactli thi effect and consid ambigu current situat clh
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu bryan whitsel list vers felt condemn homosexu ml panix michael siemon wrote respons that vers us incred pervers interpret and that simpli not address issu respons wrote can that vers not address issu coupl not requir incred pervers interpret order condemn homosexu not deceiv fornic idol adulter effemin homosexu thiev covet drunkard revil swindler inherit kingdom god and such you cor care comment fact that fornic will not inherit kingdom god thi appli homosexu understand fornic sex marriag thi accur definit such thing sex marriag bibl understand that testament bless sexual intercours husband and wife will listen scriptur evid contrari remaind post delet moder made comment address ambigu mean word passag you quot liber and conserv sourc agre that homosexu not gener term for homosexu like mean homosexu prostitut that doesn meant that biblic evid vanish natur evid such that you can quot vers and solv thing you refer term effemin and homosexu passag agre that accuraci translat challeng simpli comment charg that incred pervers interpret read thi condemn homosexu such charg impli that reason person conclud vers that paul intend condemn homosexu can reason person thi view vers not incred pervers read thi your argument fornic circular homosexu wrong fornic fornic not marri aren marri church refus marriag ceremoni church refus marriag ceremoni homosexu wrong order break circl reason homosexu wrong clh wasn think church coupl doesn marri minist secular justic peac job and two peopl marri point that easi find biblic basi for heterosexu marriag bibl christian marriag two peopl sex and you biblic basi for sex marriag will gai christian save for such marriag and never sexual intercours that marriag relationship note that not impli that gai christian not will monogam genuin interest hear opinion subject heard comment gai past that lead regard promiscu main point homosexu tend doubt that gai want christian advoc such posit gai view mark agre that reason person conclud that paul condemn homosexu respond detail your post that doesn mean agre michael respect clh
soc.religion.christian	dream and bodi incid hub ucsb edu david goggin write dream and oob total mental phenomena thi case moral dream and oob realiti anoth plane assum that dreeam and oob environ real exist moral ethic appli and moral law appli can anoth altern oob form contact demon world intention unintention surrend control percept spiritu be purpos deceiv and entrap mark
soc.religion.christian	satan toung articl atho rutger edu koberg spot colorado edu allen koberg write hmmm testament stori tower babel god punish give languag can assum that angel languag that angel not punish manner babel includ angel spoke languag babel god punish give languag origin that case angel speak tongu mankind spoke babel jonah
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian dan schaertel dp nasa kodak wrote articl geneva rutger edu loisc microsoft loi christiansen write you visit congreg christian happen homosexu that spirit fill believ not mcc you lump togeth troi perri gee real crimin robber muder drug addict fun love care peopl your point peopl nice point not nice nice not christian virtu point that gift and fruit spirit fruit you manifest and prayer spirit fill gai christian manifest spirit gentil that convinc peter act that prejudic base scriptur add not accord god intent hate sin and not sinner beliv homosexu wrong don hate peopl don don hate kid wrong and lie don admit wrong don make effort improv repent punish thi quit you want care you satan work destroi sens and wrong feel goodism convinc you that you god kind adam and ev stori read and compar todai mental you supris issu discern that satan convinc that god that god god peter teach don that god show partial nation fear and accept act revdak netcom
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach poram ihlpb att wrote let talk principl accept that god set standard for includ scriptur can authorit authorit not qualiti write statement commun faith whether will accept write norm prophet propheci defin speak god messag apocrypha sure qualifi authent standard authent function author histor accuraci dynam thi suppos mean apocryph book highli dynam thought provok faith even excit receiv collect read and us apocryph book receiv collect not read and us and cathol and orthodox church count apocrapha fall short glori god thi demonstr fals quot unger bibl dictionari apocrapha abound histor and geograph inaccuraci and anachron book bibl teach doctrin fals and foster practic varianc sacr scriptur fals interpret church that accept find contradict rest scriptur resort literari type and displai artifici subject matter and style keep sacr scriptur thi pure subject evalu apocryph book demonstr categori and form write found scriptur fact argu that apocryph addit book esther act bring unscripturelik book esther into line book lack distinct element give genuin scriptur divin charact such prophet power and poetic and religi feel you read wisdom ben sira wisdom solomon exhibit bit poetic and religi feel psalm proverb delet you view word warn hear word propheci thi book add god will add plagu describ thi book and take thi book propheci god will share tree life and holi citi rev sure thi set standard and not man made tradit word meant refer book revel alon not bodi scriptur revel accept late into canon church simpli not primari role kind identifi and limit scriptur noteworthi jesu attitud had argument pharise canon john and explain follow road emmau that law prophet and psalm refer divis scriptur luke luke take genesi chronicl jewish order genesi malachi scriptur jesu not refer canon for simpl reason that dai canon had not establish close collect book apocrypha part septuagint bibl earli church hebrew canon not close torah pentateuch law establish jesu dai prophet exclus daniel write flux jesu not refer write psalm part book apocrypha part literatur that eventu sift and separ argu that jesu refer jewish canon order luke weak not quot scriptur tell chronolog stori and mention hebrew canon present order not exist such jesu dai revdak netcom
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach larri larri overack shellgat llo psi write not dave davi wrote deutero canon book ad church histori not spiritu qualiti rest scriptur not church that ad book guid spirit and that thi sort discuss ultim end put foot mouth church histori correct that council hippo list deuterocanon book accept for us church and that thi ratifi council carthag and pope innoent and gelasiu eerdman histori church end fourth centuri view differ regard extent canon number book acknowledg divin and authorit jewish canon hebrew bibl univers receiv apocrypha ad greek version septuagint gener account book suitabl for church read and middl class canon and strictli apocryph pseudonym write and justli for book great histor and fill gap testament and origin cessat propheci and cannot regard inspir cite christ apostel western church canon testament close end fourth centuri author jerom waver critic doubt and principl tradit and augustin firmli alexandrian canon septuagint and preponder tradit refer cathol epistl and revel place inclin testament apocrypha deutero canon bear subordin author thi histori that augustin attend council hippo and carthag interest note footnot fourth session council trent footnot list synod endors list canon book tridentin list decre infal and effectu promulg declar canon holi scriptur lead that canon not offici trent previou erron statement not groundless interest note that council trent uphold latin vulgat edit scriptur authent suppos todai cathol scholar council had never council made distinct deutero canon and canon book contrast eerdman statement fourth centuri view david wagner confession lutheran
soc.religion.christian	prai for justic recent across thi articl found interest post hear peopl feel issu realis long page wordperfect worth read for page type rest scan inus omnipag come and visa versa correct author peter hammond founder frontlin fellowship missionari organis wit communist countri southern africa made visit east european countri frontlin fellowship new issn prai for justic peter hammond involv minist christian suffer persecut imprecatori psalm tremend sourc comfort and fight for life preborn battl social evil such pornographi crime begin import weapon god entrust imprecatori psalm imprecatori psalm earli christian walk encount prayer for judgement psalm and quit loss respond prayer such break arm wick and evil men call account for wicked psalm not consist gospel love had accept psalm motiv love for god lord king for and nation will perish land and wick man revil god and love for innoc suffer you hear lord desir afflict you encourag and you listen cry defend fatherless 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soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach call todai testament written approx imat bce modern scholar book daniel predat alexand great book written predominantli hebrew book written thi time and greek speak hellenist jew book reckon denomin apocrypha close write part todai call canon book us jew dai reckon base zech that propheci had ceas thi faction maintain that true prophet dai maintain that literatur prophet charact not genuin teach god time anoth faction had enter mess christian had come claim that write suitabl read synagogu and us for worship palestinian jewish leader togeth and state that book written time ben sira sirach onward not sacr write justifi thi zech write christian call heret not inspir codifi thing close canon somewhat offici sens council jamnia book ecclesi ast song song esther made that date had written prior offici cut point time ben sira for inclus that had establish order christian and hellenist write jerom exclud apocrypha not us jew dai and for sirach not found hebrew time criterion for separ pre christian write not base inspir plenti not time passag you quot concern book rev found frank
soc.religion.christian	boston note articl submit behalf frank daniel difficulti post email repli daniel math ufl edu unabl post bitnet group capsul histori shepherd discipleship movement church christ crossroad boston trace movement back and root back that influenc movement and not actual movement per will start that dai white church and color church area due segreg modern pentecost develop predominantli color phenomenon great fanatic emphasi emot experi and belief person guidanc and indwel holi spirit white protest church grow into conserv fundament evangel movement full swing and group part civil right movement grew stronger and white church group began influenc black church and thi spread start liber group and spread conserv late even cathol church displai evid influenc group evid todai church christ and conserv protest group influenc began reach cofc gener not appreci conserv group strongli resist chang and movement cofc statu quo magazin put that time cofc folk stori unfold idea into cofc big push reach colleg student young adult and teen call thi campu evangel ism movement emot gener not highli regard cofc larg plai import role movement place peopl began speak tongu pentecost predecessor thi met extrem critic church christ place peopl fire job for speak tongu for advoc holi spirit movement anoth name for branch term underground church christ into us peopl had hide differ ostricis congreg leadership recept idea part tongu speak never caught street church christ gainesvil campu ministri had regard import street and idea help tool for evangel put vital into church felt had lack octob street congreg hire chuck luca campu minist move congreg lead minist late earli congreg work group held bibl discuss daytona beach spring break organ talk fratern univers florida campu work sport peopl congreg order larger build construct finish group move and chang name longer crossroad church christ name that becom legendari thi time crossroad basic cofc program fulli align movement didn start continu and respons for wound church christ area felt that cooper crossroad due recogn doctrin problem crossroad crossroad had begun heavili emphas and requir attend church function good thing for each member close relationship person you share your problem prai and concept call prayer partner discipleship partner and mandatori leadership assign prayer partner peopl for book call master plan evangel strong influenc chuck luca and group believ that person duti and life purpos carri great commiss crossroad grow number and number import import person evangelist spiritu evangel meant invit peopl crossroad event you thi lot and convert you spiritu sermon you bought groceri cashier and bag boi receiv invit servic your job receiv invit sinc peopl need jesu you aggress don for answer you not evangel you call lazi unspiritu end decad prayer partner system integr into structur elder and minist top big pyramid group leader bibl studi leader and member had thi time that bad press crossroad began circul problem rape univers florida campu tremend crossroad consid bigger and problem complaint congreg and pushi evangelist tactic crossroad church christ dead church aggrav aggress recruit church group denomin aggrav thi time crossroad had grown numer point not that build send plant creat church and reconstruct reorgan exist church team citi thi time crossroad movement underwai group member lexington church christ boston team head kip mckean had convert fratern crossroad gainesvil kip held stronger view church author believ heavili vest evangelist and not elder had fire congreg that had work elder found numer thing wrong theologi includ practic call christian call thi critic year half peopl felt that not want part congreg left began come into boston church christ ahead crossroad heavi hand system had begun toll member that felt that work hard not achiev result that import number drop crossroad membership declin steadili leadership began tighten reign congreg larg unproduct and unfruit fruit passag interpret refer convert you not bear fruit john you cast into fire boston teach thi you love your neighbor you save soul invit church and convert you not that you don love your neighbor and you don love you danger backslid logic argument continu thi vein chuck luca fire job minist due recur sin life struggl never reveal congreg larg peopl congreg had heard for contact friendship level crossroad member and you contact your focu convert bring bibl studi chuck replac joe wood fulli support boston system boston grew number began offer train session for minist joe boston train and return cross road readi emphas total commit church that boston and kip mckean emphas eventu fall elder crossroad number dick whitehead and bill hogl made decis boston demand that church movement come direct church boston elder refus cite belief that each church autonom true boston church christ perhap degre offens sinc crossroad longer exampl rest movement group number 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soc.religion.christian	hell larri overack write you knew doubt that hell not exist and that unbeliev simpli remain dead you remain christian content that you answer thi question not remain christian you not follow christ great live life and care happen die that will resurrect that won effect live thi life ouch thi good question not exist wors exist matter will modifi thi question christian made etern differ reward punish hope thi spirit you want person goal orient hard for thing that not achiev goal relat thi sport learn not care score becom good basketbal player had learn matter situat perhap thi lesson relev can give life can humbl can achiev glori concentr live life can will afford life etern you illumin true mean save faith answer remain christian that answer that problem heaven and hell good motiv stage matur and admit time perhap bite tongu and put hope dai mental trade present happi for futur happi hope cynic and skeptic not read into that honest scott mayo write pointless question you cannot doubt that hell not exist anymor you can short take jesu word for question fun and entertain fruitless kind question extrem fruit guess depend view knowledg and learn strip idea simpl straightforward oppos concept can determin level import analyz theoret absurd can gain understand absurd chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist apolog articl atho rutger edu maxwel muir muirm argon ga organpip uug arizona edu write face implic that atheism kind aberr and that broken peopl atheist origin poster articl apolog impli that atheism broken such not intent and apolog for hurt feel process filipp sapienza depart technolog servic univers michigan hospit surgeri fil sapienza med umich edu
soc.religion.christian	mormon belief children born wedlock bruce webster write ld doctrin step and case hold parent respons for children sin fail bring properli note that thi passag appli member ld church bruce you reconcil thi practic ezekiel ezekiel soul sin will die son will not share guilt father will father share guilt son righteous righteou man will credit and wicked wick will charg ezekiel not translat correctli your ey perhap sincer aaron cardena bother offens word post thi newsgroup obscen place for live bibl eph moder your not let post foul languag happen twice you avoid foul languag bastard foul languag shout insult thi case us origin technic sens similarli hell obscen context not refer afterlif not clear that bastard foul languag us proper mean todai post quot deut prohibit that clh
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell sundai kenneth engel write substanc told that penalti for sin etern hell told that jesu paid penalti suffer stead jesu not spend etern hell thi object presuppos forens substitut theori aton not believ aton understand term for expans thi statement send messag gen ruff gen ruff gen ruff gen ruff listserv asuacad bitnet listserv asuvm inr asu edu note that charact gen you want read opun begin start gen jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	prai speak tongu for prai tongu for you prai speak tongu and gain knowledg thi subject western kentucki univers eastee wkuvx bitnet
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu carlson larc nasa gov ann carlson write articl atho rutger edu think gai and christian not compat check digniti integr light presbyterian church affirm mcc church etc meet gai christian find prai discuss scriptur and form your opinion absolutli love time and energi problem total fair throught thi type search issu beliv don time resourc abil you you prai that god opportun simpli discredit not talk gai christian christ love bryan
soc.religion.christian	incarn two mind christ nabil wrote famili agre that will and act hypostasi logo incarn marhaba nabil posit two mind christ mind logo and mind human jesu admit two will mind not mind will thi dealt past church prnouncement philosoph problem that examin morri argu that incarn can thi mind logo mind jesu circumsrib god human son god son complet access human mind mind human mind access mind god son son access thi explain jesu even not time kingdom human will act accord divin will free human decis human will decid differ intend divin will interced thi never case emploi interest analog support person two mind theori idea complet healthi version split person field psycholog and intrigu idea dream act know that you omnisci hypostasi uniti two mind agre wait for morri and respond linger problem two mind make two person christian analyt philosoph break ground explic ration theism and incarn ted kalivoda tedr athena uga edu univers georgia athen institut higher note that person us abstact sens english connect person person and thing that human attribut not whether want appli person god that christ had two person clh
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu carlson larc nasa gov ann carlson write bibl vers us homosexu delet think gai and christian not compat check digniti integr light presbyterian church affirm mcc church etc meet gai christian find prai discuss scriptur and form your opinion check episcop church mean episcopalian sympathet homosexu men and women fairli larg percentag experi good friend episcopalian minist ordain and live monogam homosexu relationship thi diminish abil minist fact signific ministri gai and lesbian associ commun signific aid ministri uncl gai and found thi had good long bibl thi and feel god think thi conclus wrong nonetheless and feel that import thing that wrote and testament passag cite not that scientif evid support that homosexu partli inher complet learn thi mean that extent great extent homosexu cannot choos feel peopl report cure homosexu chill and make feel ill not that can cite sourc you can find thi inform homosexu behavior record monkei and anim suggest that inher learn that word unnatur shouldn appli rememb that you gai and lesbian shoul not exclud your love and accept christ love and sin and never homosexu paul such wonder wisdom women shouldn speak church and women head cover church not exact quotat don bibl handi thing tendenc thing paul grain salt that for ann carlson carlson larc nasa gov nasa langlei research center hampton vera noy lord risen parti noy midwai uchicago edu vera noy
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl atho rutger edu eugen bigelow ebai sun geno write noth unclean enter heaven rev babi born such state that die cuf god and put hell exactli doctrin augustin and thoma jeff adam paragraph that didn write don that unbapt babi put hell don even hell don fieri place will gnash teeth geno
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu muirm argon ga organpip uug arizona edu maxwel muir write lot stuff delet focus point strong atheist feel that lack evid omnipot impli lack exist haven met strong atheist that noth persuad call seeker you don weak atheism ignor atheist simpli don god posit that god exist for weak atheist atheism disbeliev don activ atheism you thi confus figur differ protest and methodist atheist point view confus differ thi weak atheism you put and agnostic agnostic not believ necessarili disbeliev us agnost thi definit weak atheism includ not necessarili believ god guess hard time understand peopl not decid constantli state examin includ atheist assum that guess peopl don import answer life univers and comment wonder thi anoth fallaci theist that believ faith guess atheism end moment shown proof god exist that tough call thing base faith you onc profess agnost think christian and didn work tough mull whether not miracl anoth email chaplain come can you luck and post you find and told you that find faith intellectu dishonest note that can speak for you find faith honest show hmm guess don understand time absolut know that true satisfact and sens peac psycholog live thi thi you mean proof that god spoke onc imagin odd thing that you don point start believ get sort ridicul question you draw line unabl reconcil that broken you that invis fairi live garden and that you word for you accept that you fundament mind and you for proof assert god exist logic physic proof discuss natur god add question you read pascal you you you not interest cslewi surpris joi interest know you sarcasm intend thi can never written word will interpret not interest convert you sinc don proof interest learn muppet and garlic toast forev thi max bob muir cheer vera give you disclaim don agre sweet trent reznor nin theologi inch nail interest nonetheless noy midwai uchicago edu vera noy
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian attempt make homosexu feel unwelcom discomfort homosexu incompat christian hatr deep that becom closer jesu thi true peopl place thi higher sin jesu screen guilti sin mistrust jesu can forgiv sin big part problem that homosexu and peopl advoc accept homosexu church not activ homosexu sin don attitud forgiv and will chang noth wrong life and can good christian you ill you don accept christian can and will accept homosexu will accept sinner natur peopl homosexu perfectli natur for sin born desir sin work prevent sin common urg lash anger not sudden disappear sin desir sad peopl leav church discourag that homosexu year darin johnson djohnson ucsd edu particl man particl man thing particl can
soc.religion.christian	hyslop and two babylon two babylon brought time for respond onc and that thi book junk noth that anti cathol tract sort publish sinc protest scholarship phoni and assert spuriou wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu fil sapienza med umich edu fil sapienza write articl atho rutger edu maxwel muir muirm argon ga organpip uug arizona edu write faith you want feel that faith intellectu dishonest support for thi statement not make sens defin faith belief abscens evid includ evid past experi past experi god effect life and never evid for god can explain neccess god convinc fiction work read and reason not god peopl reconcil thi lack evid faith faith that sens understand word faith that find intellectu dishonest ambigu religi belief unwilling pascal wager heard thi frequent exactli pascal wager pascal wager thi premis isn god premis god exist and will damn for not believ premis god not exist belief god doesn matter death death conclus belief god superior belief belief damn etern punish wrong belief god wast time life wrong sound pretti straightforward and logic sound problem premis presuppos odd belief and belief thi flat wrong sheer number religion and fact that for part religion mutual exclus heard theist refer atheist god god god set god consequ thi pick wrong god suddenli odd don good pick wrong god wrong doctrin god leav you possibl wrong and damn anoth god version hell sound broken you don you point that your mother treatment upset you and inconsist religion not that constitut broken ness not consititut disillusion don disillusion enter into you present mother treatment show question atheism question continu thi dai had atheist for year contact mother version christian had becom somewhat disillus atheism thought god becom disillus religion simpli had thought time that had answer found each time place becom stronger attitud belief you will faith base evid past experi that never find religion answer sorta for easter egg time take you find convinc you becom that you found egg you find mention that critis isn make highli christian contrari posit construct critis will like improv attitud christian abus critis will turn accus you sapienza slip that into thi post forgot repli that filipp sapienza depart technolog servic univers michigan hospit surgeri fil sapienza med umich edu muppet and garlic toast forev max bob muir leav for home thursdai thi like last post for summer meantim you for help thing miss meander world
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu mayn fsu edu write articl atho rutger edu noy midwai uchicago edu write stuff deal deffer delet thi not compar christian main stream western cultur you trivial experi not mean understand your experi wors small bit ridicul had put guess didn understand rememb christian told time that and fact that member church christian believ god weren bad atheist small minor that noth compar atheist wow pretti conserv church excus thi ridicul understat you thing compar young child christian surround staunch atheist includ parent activ persecut religi tendanc actual punish and even wors emot blackmail mainstream societi side condit occur soviet union not countri god pledg allegi side note that god wasn recent father sixti rememb pledg allegi that don histori that emot blackmail ouch good neutral rais complet toler household that make decis doubt even children taught christian and support atheism doesn taught christian guess can that can child believ sort god imagin basi guess thi sort minor queri parallel lack choic for homosexu and lack choic for atheist delet atheism born necess for intellectu honest person belief respons evid hmm christian thi isn flame thi real opinion offer you that hasn necessarili proven you will wish noth choos lie silent true belief choos god christian decid that ordinari sky red sound you atheist natur that part due appar repress natur christian your childhood thi get person perhap you ignor can email clear that not equat gai mistak assum that pain experi broken happili made stronger onc past thi gener remark you not sound broken stronger that wasn hurt experi church friend didn becom atheist hurt differ not understand thi sentenc you explain not detail and violat confid childhood friend suffic that religion not guarante that person will happi and strong emotion and repress upbring can leav scar even don free doubt that sane and sincer person doubt that and feel defend agre that damag repress religion can and result intend rais children can accept religi stand atheism includ thi and question thi import happier and stronger closet end eloqu put privat email experi liber disillus can that bill mayn cheer vera cherch un am qui don agre pourra aider mylen farmer religi view sui interest un gener desenchante vera noy mylen farmer noy midwai uchicago edu
soc.religion.christian	major view triniti articl atho rutger edu bocher write that middl ag customari for pastor explain triniti parishon analog water water water can exist form liquid ic and vapor for essenc exist form thi sound sort gener modal phase water mode behavior physic stuff not describ orthodox posit suppos that mediev view water that phase water behavior physic stuff mode not ident perhap mediev peopl not that and recent pastor church drew analog found woman perciev wai depend relationship mother wife and employe busi thi modalist monarchian sinc aspect depend sole point view and not repres actual varieti person you begin sarima teradata tdatirv sarima stanlei friesen elsegundoca ncr
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian import gai christian sex christian christian hope will forgo sex complet order avoid stumbl block avoid chanc that interpret wrong etc not not heterosexu abstain time nice protest church had celib order show world that sex not import thing life truth gai church remind lot henri viii start church england order divorc thi myth note that not deni that gai christian christian darin johnson djohnson ucsd edu toi cow africa
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari articl geneva rutger edu marka hcx ssd csd harri mark ashlei wrote countri that event approv pope imag mari japan korea yugoslavia philippin africa show tear natur blood you resourc countri mention articl atho rutger edu mdw uxa cso uiuc edu michael walker wrote current investig church recent declar cry statu and messag mari akita japan approv found thi month ago japan michael you give info akita nearest citi good find pictur and post digitis version peopl interest marti lost space japan paulei tai jkj sii
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu mserv mozart iup edu name mark write ml panix michael siemon write homosexu christian check vers us incred pervers interpret simpli not address issu can that vers not address issu exactli vers that address issu coupl not requir incred pervers interpret order condemn homosexu kind interpret incred pervers that appli stori sodom blanket equat homosexu behavior and rape sinc christian cite bibl such context presum read stori amount slander charg that homosexu rape us that not deceiv fornic idol adulter effemin homosexu thiev covet drunkard revil swindler inherit kingdom god and such you cor moder adequ discuss circular your us porneia thi can agre paul that kind activ that name fornic theft covet revil drunken deserv condemn not agre bound categori and fact that argu suggest that not matter not clear that paul excel rhetorician had interest make clear leav matter spirit led decis uncomfort live read that domin christian discuss area homosexu behavior and gai christian adam condemn rape heterosexu homosexu and child molest heterosexu homosexu and even possibl harmless obsess kind sex heterosexu homosexu that stand condemn paul continu chapter you cite mildli suggest that paul letter that you want us perhap good guid mean free you not for good doubt free for will not make free cor restat that god god command gai christian wish break peopl involv obsess driven mode sexual behavior wrong slightli incendiari secondari argument phobic conting equat homosexu such behavior equat rape god messeng won deal exegesi leviticu tangenti fundament you exhibit circular your assumpt that you porneia mean plenti law prohibit sexual behavior found leviticu christian ignor complet never even bother examin assum that moral and ritual new for you anthropolog sensit you ritual and clean unlcean categori aw lot societi buri pretti deep and cannot ground for distinguish bit leviticu ritual law christian feel appli dead peopl start thi matter repuls and unnatur act and huh solid clue sort arbitrari cultur inculc american prejudic eat insect basi assum your conclus can you that law male male intercours leviticu not part ritual law for christian that part leviticu can law for christian not even thought incumb you case handl merit determin you pick and ignor anoth frankli effort misguid reread paul doubt free christian criterion us for make judgment thi great command love for god and neighbor you cannot leviticu and decid each command that basi your arbitrari select simpli idiosyncraci thi context remark offens notic that vers forbid bestial immedi follow vers prohibit appear homosexu intercours thi almost slimei argument that homosexu rape argu can find joker defens bestial absolut irrelev and incompar issu gai christian rais concern sexual activ commit consensu human adult realtionship that your bring relev law kashrut you cannot address actual issu you bloodi dishonest trail thi red her front world you want address bestial that your busi not mine and attempt torpedo issu cultur ridicul joke show that you interest hear human be you want dismiss and us sleaziest mean you can jesu and paul expound explictli and consider length central linch pin christian moral thought requir love anoth and depend that gai and lesbian christ ian challeng you address issu term and return cheap debat trick attempt side track issu christian doubt sincer show and corner usenet and world and spout vers never thought never even read total ignor issu rais slander vilest charg child abus perfervid mind can manag conjur toss red her suppos great emot forc reader dismiss wit even take troubl find such behavior shame claim truth christ for god preciou sake you peopl quot irrelev vers condemn peopl you don and won even troubl listen you start your condemn that love your neighbor god forbid that you obei repeat command not judg condemn christ and paul spend order magnitud time insist thi half dozen obscur word paul that you bloodi readi licens god tell you not for god sake for god not send son into world condemn world that world save believ not condemn not condemn for refus name god son judgment thi light come into world men prefer dark light deed evil for practic wicked hate light and not come light for fear deed will expos act truth come into light that that deed god john for long ag confus evil counsel evil men and told that light shame and reject despair and cours that show sin shun god light bless spirit crush righteou justifi truth and truth light human and that not fear light enemi fear light wit and will can shadow dark fals wit michael siemon you god son ml panix high you nevertheless you die men and fall ml ulyss att princ psalm
soc.religion.christian	rememb year ago possibl discuss numerolog that you assign numer valu letter and add letter word effort prove anoth can never make sens suppos work suppos prove post long articl numerolog bibl thing thi prove intric plan scriptur pattern not brilliant followup numerolog numerolog post stuff word numerolog add and word appear time post such eleg plan word truth add writer numerolog clue show that reach truth numerolog exampl made exampl like that repli such excel job show that pattern can found not save copi not rememb author that post thi newsgroup chanc that rememb and save that author read want send copi made into faq can find darren provin kilroi gboro rowan edu us not brain can borrow woodrow wilson
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist gmt fil sapienza med umich edu fil sapienza articl atho rutger edu maxwel muir muirm argon ga organpip uug arizona edu write ambigu religi belief unwilling pascal wager heard thi frequent exactli pascal wager god exist doesn two choic god don god true bring etern damnat bring etern life true minor inconveni compar ration god thi numer flaw cover faq for alt atheism place sound broken you don you point that your mother treatment upset you and inconsist religion not that constitut broken ness not consititut disillusion disillusion strike excel reason for stop believ bruce cmsr univers liverpool religion myth inform
soc.religion.christian	faq essai homosexu articl church and gai peopl pro gai viewpoint interest peopl particip thi thread email you send you warn worth materi make you mailbox and disk space short answer question you explain vers you justifi your action you ask and you want idea peopl think encourag you read ann carlson carlson larc nasa gov nasa langlei research center hampton
soc.religion.christian	translat articl atho rutger edu mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write strong prefer for edit that not indent begin each vers vers paragraph vers number rel modern addit and not undu promin english languag edit that not show vers even chapter number thought that such edit hard navig scot that doesn show vers number and great read longer narr passag scot isn quit proper studi thi edit tend us feel for stori gospel and us english edit for detail alison origin neb put vers number margin jerusalem bibl put dot mark boundari vers clh
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu dp nasa kodak write articl geneva rutger edu loisc microsoft loi christiansen write can homosexu reach homosexu for christ not chang bring christ doesn want gai can chang that don hate peopl don don hate kid wrong and lie don admit wrong don make effort improv repent punish thi quit note differ christ disagre christian gai christ can chang that gai wrong that christian cannot gai chang loi and paul wrote believ rome you judg anoth servant jen includ stdisclaim jenk microsoft msdo test
soc.religion.christian	dream and bodi incid articl atho rutger edu hub ucsb edu david goggin write your comment question that mind lot moral ethic appli dream and bodi incid normal dream you can control you aren moral respons for your action you can contriv control action dream oob moral appli appar odd peopl can sometim control dream for exampl decid sleep that want repeat favourit dream dream specif place unpleas dream can not redirect event pleasant guess that standard appli direct dream appli wake fantasi real life ref jesu teach woman lustfulli commit adultari normal dream displai theme that not concious chose dream that sign that not life underli tenstion fear that resolv straightforward sin case resolv fact case pretti rare don rememb dream that don chose almost import almost never dream pictur and not colour fact had precis full colour pictur dream that can rememb and defin spiritu import tend dream sound odd blur imag black and white interest topic fascin read respons alison make clear don and never oob tend limit for christian
soc.religion.christian	arsenokoitai mean thi week you ask earlier post and intertesti exegesi homosexu issu refer you faq file find longer contain long for mail each you each articl will back faq file renew interest thi subject will type permiss articl jame deyoung articl that read todat conserv posit can post onc will come piec meal and not daili retyp entir articl will make for faq file talk clh for can you rexlex fnal fnal gov lexrex almond fnal gov loren sender admail fnal gov sourc and mean arsenokoitai implic for christian ethic and ministri jame deyoung professor testament western conserv baptist seminari portland oregon tradit interpret arsenokoitai homosexu cor and tim refer sexual vice peopl sex specif homosexualitii restrict term mean activ male prostititut stronger evid support gener translat homosexu recent definit homosexu oppos clutur and linguist ground claim that term homosexu anachronist addit critic tradit render term todai includ celib homophil exclud heterosexu engag homosexu act and includ femal homosexu concern for act modern attent desir factor ancient world forego oppositit translat arsenokoitai homosexu number debilit weak final thi studi argu that paul coin term arsenokoitai deriv lxx lev and for homosexu orient and behavior occas for church disciplin cor and legisl societi tim introduct coincid rise gai right movement recent year increas focu biblic statement homosexu sodomi part thi focu mean term arsenokoitai us twice apostl paul cor tim receiv vigor scrutini thi issu crucial contemporari societi sinc modern ethic shape biblic statement concern gai right and place gai homosexu church and societi requir resolut biblic interpret thi studi histor linguist and literari matter will survei and evalut recent propos for mean arsenokoitai and present evid point resolut writer and posit repres modern debat thi word author bailei boswel and scrogg provok consider discuss and significantli encourag wider accept homosexu lifestyl societi church and ministri footnot for conveni sake term homosexu us encompass sex orient and sex behavior mean thi term main consider thi studi time differnt centuri ago fairbairn pastor epistl edinburg write arsenokoitai thit term for fortun languag proper equival unknowingli therebi touch basi for contemporari debat and studi present writer endors paulin authorship pastor epistl basi intern and extern evid donald guthri testament introduct for extens discuss and citat support paulin authorship for exampl scrogg influenc olson untangl web side april for studi suggest prohibit homosexu phillip unconv father skirt jan for bibliographi sourc deal arsenokoitai wisondisc religion index wison
soc.religion.christian	mercuri refer fundamentalist christian parent articl atho rutger edu dan ingr rose aros write rais oakland and san lorenzo strict fundamentalist christian parent mason beaten child onc san jose mercuri new come articl start rais oakland mexican parent mason beaten face red anger injustic mexican famili member and fundamentalist evangel notic thi trend media short permiss bash fundamentalist substitu nation such mexican simpli substitut religion rais muslim parent rais jewish parent paper simpli not thi
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ articl atho rutger edu mserv mozart iup edu mail server write don necessarili object secreci question sinc biblic reason aspect christian worship involv secreci interest your claim that earli christian practic parallel mormon templ ceremoni you give exampl parallel mormon ceremoni don mormon ceremoni restor origin christian practic wasn that point joseph smith state mission recommend read mormon and earli christian hugh niblei articl christ forti dai post resurrect mission baptism for dead earli christian prayer circl and templ articl bruce bruce webster religion that not requir sacrific cto page softwar inc thing never power suffici bwebster page produc faith life and import page disclaim salvat joseph smith
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ articl atho rutger edu mserv mozart iup edu mail server write interest your claim that earli christian practic parallel mormon templ ceremoni you give exampl parallel mormon ceremoni don mormon ceremoni restor origin christian practic wasn that point joseph smith state mission you want parallel sourc book templ and cosmo hugh niblei not light read earli practic parallel and not exactli duplic modern ld ceremoni coupl reason quit like not exact origin ancient time thi stuff not commonli bit and piec undoubtedli spread bit and piec modern ceremoni dai literatur egyptian ceremoni and nativ american ceremoni almost not exactli jesu taught aspect ceremoni modifi fit situat modern ceremoni modifi fit audio visual tool
soc.religion.christian	portland earthquak paul hudson hudson athena uga edu wrote articl atho rutger edu cctr cantua canterburi bill rea write histori impli pretti sin pastor church attend christchurch citi elim consid that prophesi natur disast judgement lord clear sign that prophesi not lord reason thi you chanc will thi weekend burn natur disast propheci that not mean that natur disast judgement propheci fals quick book jeremiah and obviou that judgement propheci can valid problem posit propheci peopl into judgement word underlin heart problem quick doesn justic depth book jeremiah studi jeremiah ezeki period solidli for year stage life that great deal underli theolog mean judgement prophesi make point clash jeremiah and fals prophet primarili theolog realm fals prophet understood relatioship god base coven that lord made david trace page testament thi coven initi condit continu obedi david descend view uncondit promis part lord descend david throne and never jerusalem subjeg foreign power jeremiah not judahit prophet anathoth across border had israelit territori prophesi theolog background coven lord had made israel mose northern kingdom had reject david coven death solomon theologi clash theologi local prophet deep understand mosaic coven and actut awar intern event that jeremiah spoke prophesi judgement prophesi deepli load theolog mean opinion portland earthquak prophesi and david wilkerson york will burn prophesi froth and bubbl compar majest theolog depth jeremiah prophesi bill rea bill rea comput servic centr mail rea csc canterburi univers canterburi cctr csc canterburi christchurch zealand phone fax
soc.religion.christian	faq essai homosexu articl geneva rutger edu hedrick geneva rutger edu write thi respons kinsei below sourc figur percent articl usa todai month ago show result studi that homosexu anoth figur that list figur even that bear whether not sin behavior peopl commit act fornic peopl li sin wai fair shameless natur act reflect gener spiritu state peopl and not specif featur homosexu isn specif featur homosexu paul describ men men work that unseemli describ act spirtual natur deprav and sin idolatri sexual immora and sin sprang deprav spiritu state result man not glorifi god god and thank act shameless homosexu even consid accept case hand passag contain explicit teach subject rom idolatri refer homosexu pass sin specif elabor testament scriptur not condemn drug dealer rule spirit letter not free legal protect sin that spirit word two edg sword that cut wai care total throw leviticu law reflect god charact and true holi natur that god endors homosexu run into problem homosexu natur that mean wholesom endors god and oppos sexual behavior narrow mind biggot condemn leviticu thi condemn midst sex sin condemn and noth text that thi law limit templ prostitut and good reason that thi case male homosexu sex death penalti crime sin elabor testament corinthian paul that corinthian had broken law not even heard gentil that father wife prohibit your father wife leviticu testament vers condemn thi notic that paul not that sin commit adulteri etc spoke father wife notic that thi sexual condemn leviticu not mention specif context pagan and pagan coustom mention corinthian matter fact take father wife wasn even gentil plain blantant sin whether worship idol involv not commonli made claim that paul had simpli never face kind question deal encount homosexu context peopl agre that wrong had never face experi christian act straight and fail and had never face christian defin christian homosexu fit gener christian ideal fidel and sexual mirror relationship god and man unfair paul judgement homosexu idolat and us make judgement question reason that not accept that common argument paul face thi and problem sin can tough come supernatur power homosexu sin difficult overcom that heterosexu sin lust marri woman sleep peopl opposit sex doubt and even that excus god greater anoth reason reject ignor supernatur power god interven thi kind situat peopl set free sin power god group that chang homosexu and fail that reflect peopl involv program and not god willing and abil chang sinner program that formula fail peopl power god chang whether involv homosexu sin sin claim that question counsel homosexu christian not theolog issu pastor paul tendenc can issu such eat meat and celebr holidai uncompromis principl pastor issu carefulli good peopl involv and avoid insist perfect person damag for exampl paul believ that accept eat meat want avoid push peopl into action had person qualm don you come that conclus paul deal pastori issu encourag peopl give liberti order spare not peopl continu sin difficult exampl eat meat offer idol paul felt that noth wrong abstract sens eat meat advis believ sacrific liberti eat meat order spare paul never allow peopl sin live holi tough paul wrote make provis for flesh fulfil lust thereof roman discours sacrific liberti order spare conscienc suppos not sin for peopl practic homosexu act sinc sin paul approach pastori issu homosexu sacrific liberti and celbat monogam marri member opposit sex paul never offer lesser sin homosexu marriag prevent peopl engag consid damag sin for anoth exampl paul prefer peopl circumst remain unmarri unabl marri state tempt fornic marriag not sin marriag holi and that god ordain and paul recogn thi note that creation stori work enter human life result sin thi doesn mean that christian can stop work save adam put garden tend fell fell toil ground danger cure that attempt fail and you end damag rang psycholog damag suicid broken marriag attempt live heterosexu fail that depend total god vuner and gloriou posit transform renew mind and that homosexu can walk freedom can imagin paul prefer peopl long term commit christian relationship promiscu work genesi suggest wasn part god origin ideal such relationship can vehicl for peopl share god love each you can peopl oppos view thi conclus kill gun aresen person overcom desir sleep goat for sleep goat person sleep aunt for sleep aunt case peopl anim sleep higher chanc that will diseas thi deal physic aspect question whichev sin commit lead spiritu death cent action christian homosexu that relationship greek homosexu that paul familiar thi exactli kind argument that made judici oath and tax collector issu that address scriptur actual act second isn histor snobberi that homosexu thi centuri capabl love relationship ancient write glorifi homosexu love btw believ refrain make oath you that tax collector sinner that not explicit jesu didn zachia quit job link hudson reluct comment thi detail basic concept intent jesu and paul greatli articl ambigu word and signific clear that paul consid homosexu wrong you thi fact depend your basic approach bibl afraid that commun legalist and anti legalist christian even harder protest and cathol cent sinc you disagre start point you disagre intermedi discuss and conclus sometim discuss interest work paul jew don agre sometim help insight into meant don sign for hope talk religion misc axiom that time hitler name invok hope for sensibl discuss thi subject sleep goat invok don basi for understand worth pursu clh
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu dp nasa kodak wrote articl geneva rutger edu loisc microsoft loi christiansen write you visit congreg christian happen homosexu that spirit fill believ not mcc you lump togeth troi perri gee real crimin robber muder drug addict fun love care peopl your point peopl nice didn visit nice homosexu visit congreg christian spirit fill believ prais lord that member bodi agre disagre god bless you and you heaven loisc
soc.religion.christian	serbian genocid work god vera shanti noy write you proof and innoc thi sin and will prai earnest entreati and supplic that creator unharm number elect clement bishop rome letter corinthian ignatiu call theophoru church ephesu asia worthi felicit bless great full god father predestin etern for glori that last and unchang unit and chosen true suffer will father jesu christ god ignatiu bishop antioch letter ephesian address that substanc concept orgin and eminec ancient and cathol church alon gather into uniti faith result familiar coven chosen predestin god knew foundat world that clement patriarch and archbishop alexandria miscellani doctrin explain fulli st augustin aquina etc seed ther begin thi confus sinc that christ jesu di for preknowledg obstinaci convolut account for coupl vers you read wrong not save not save account sin not god not give suffici grace for desir that men save save and save save grace god not work man boast damn obstinaci refus heed call god damn free will and chose choic forseen god caus not predestin reprob god grace margarin spread need and not isn and save and not save and noth hmmmm god not distribut grace evenli heart harden harden heart caus god withdraw grace you correct world divid into god save and god road perdit kei that god and not can boast complet assur that elect and predestin christian good standin doubt salvat that show lack trust god punish die you die direct bear live strang you admit you want hear and you can reciev fold heaven lai your treasur heaven jesu thi not condemn rich simpli point that rich frequent evil immor god give bless chosen remeb jesu promis tribul thi world and hatr christian not promis heaven earth promis heaven sin punish and not sort half punish grei area thi doctrin not you penanc earth you will purgatori paul point corinthian poorer work good intent will save fire damn will into fire immeadi for good not for god for dead work church indulg confess and annoint sick remov sin and vestig sin excus for end purgatori last hope for somewhat lazi and careless refer paul and comment flame you polit peopl talk net andi byler for balkan militari adventur that area that produc histori can consum local alexand great wwi ottoman empir byzantin empir refer stirf and foreign adventur gener balkan war latin greek war etc not good place hop into
soc.religion.christian	portland earthquak austin archer archau saturn wwc edu wrote interest view event can christian discrimin messag god and spuriou heurist avoid embrac messag fulfil proven fals caus name christ disreput thi problem that individu true prophet vision that interpret scale time and space materi con scious translat supersens percept plane that time and space into worldli context and get wrong not that ration that unconsci percept cloth materi imag remain realm potenti and not time space bound thi difficulti translat prophet vision into concret and difficult even for prophet that propheci subject multipl interpret likewis apostl feel that return lord sens perhap gener mean proven grasp prophet vision telescop time that thing that close anoth possibl that vision real event prepar happen realm potenti not manifest and thwart forc includ possibl act divin merci concret propheci made dai devout and sincer and sober christian and that great come event cast shadow arriv apocalypt time predict talk that sincer and sober hard accept hard ignor plete feel start readi begin commenc happen live chines interest time for discrimin bibl doesn testament passag forget that you will whether prophet true whether not propheci come pass that help elimin failur fact case earth quak small comfort that propheci that give specif time and place and event suspect not that necessarili fals sens state that such vision subject mistransl plane prophet vision plane earthli time and space for worth rudolf steiner onc ask whether modern initi into futur and predict come event answer that withdraw activ parti cipat includ proclaim thi fact spiritu law answer your question discrimin that make such propheci violat that law knowingli unknowingli and such messag consid priori dubiou expect that capabl make true predict and give accur express not that prophet oregon earthquak can sympath person publish propheci overwhelm experi that appar had feel impel and even commiss god fellow human be had gerri palo compuserv church historian reader whether propheci past don that impress clh
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept articl atho rutger edu jhpb sarto budd lake joseph buehler write refer mari immacul conceiv and never subject origin sin never commit person sin life thi special degre grace grant god quit problem idea that mari never commit sin mari fulli human for god miracul make person free origin sin and free commit sin life purpos incarn jesu can god repeat miracl for mari make rest sinless for repent and salvat and that don object idea assumpt perpetu virgin regard cathol dogma will agre disagre cathol brother and sister christ and even virgin birth jesu thi concept mari sinless odd rest christian doctrin understand seanna watson bell northern research prai that end live seanna bnr ottawa ontario canada philosophi and creed god will find peopl busi opinion opinion opinion plant tree and sow seed not bnr mine knew left fred kaan
soc.religion.christian	mari assumpt don necess holi parent sanctifi normal human sound inabl grasp immens god grace incarn dinari human elizabeth greet mari elizabeth effect that mari women bless appear that thi exactli place mari sanctif normal human
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach michael siemon write inaccur that reform threw book basic secondari statu jerom had addit warn that doctrin not base citat alon protest love plai jerom for worth remeb that decre pope damsu jerom not hesit accpet deuteroncanon and quot scriptur write and point previou letter thi subject cathol church accept deuterocanon begin and protest sudden reviv theori condemn pope council and church that deuterocanon not inspir church jesu christ adopt canon unbeliev jew drawn jamnia counter christian us septuagint andi byler
soc.religion.christian	mormon and etern marriag mormon templ david hammerslag ask you mormon reconcil idea etern marriag christ statement that resurrect peopl will marri marriag luke chapt explan for thi contradict propos ld scholar opinion studi posit jesu talk group peopl sadduce trip felt silli hypothet situa tion that ridicul concept resurrect didn peopl and associ brethren matt not recept such higher bless etern marriag peopl stori like not marri eterni ti that doesn mean faith peopl not thi bless jesu make distinct state condit marri and process marri activ marri and give marriag will not place etern etern marriag will care account synopt gospel miss that make real mean clearer note that ld not biblic inerr not gener feel oblig reconcil each and bibl text modern revel joseph smith and dai proph et upset that account question not significantli revis joseph smith translat inspir version bibl sinc not thi work complet that failur revis passag jst con stitut divin approv that passag stand kjv rich wale richw mk mortic kern system inc mk king waterloo ontario canada
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach barnei resson write count apocrapha fall short glori god quot unger bibl dictionari apocrapha abound histor and geograph inaccuraci and anachron part bibl liter psalm earth not move implic earth flat corner etc bibl written teach salvat not histori scienc teach doctrin fals and foster practic varianc sacr scriptur paryer for dead intercess saint taught maccabe sirach and tobit resort literari type and displai artifici subject matter and style keep sacr scriptur your subject judgement thi fall short your judgement and you not infal church jesu christ timothi lack distinct element give genuin scriptur divin charact such prophet power and poetic and religi feel subject feel thi not proof person feel problem thi argument li assumpt that hebrew canon includ apocrapha place and wasn sixteenth centuri that luther and threw jewish council you mention previous didn accept reform protest had good histor preced for action jerom translat apocrapha protest and liter dead bodi that includ cathol canon written time and hebrew canon fix jamnia palestin year foundat holi cathol and apostol church opinon jerom not count church pope ecumen council council gener instur magisterium church privat individu learn admittedli subject erro opinion and exlcud deuterocanon er pope damsu and council carthag and tradit father show point previou post you view word warn hear word propheci thi book add god will add plagu describ thi book and take thi book propheci god will share tree life and holi citi rev suggest you heed last part statement you want sens you take that take book will you lose heaven noteworthi jesu attitud had argument pharise canon john and explain follow road emmau that law prophet and psalm refer divis scriptur luke luke take genesi chronicl jewish order genesi malachi scriptur order canon unimport content that matter jesu statment exlcud deuterocanon interspers canon and remeb complet undisput book ezra nehemiah esther ecclesiats song song job etc that not quot testament not prejudici inspir andi byler
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin eugen bigelow write noteworthi jesu attitud had argument pharise canon john and explain follow road emmau that law prophet and psalm refer divis scriptur luke luke take genesi chronicl jewish order genesi malachi scriptur you rememb that adam transgress men and women sin paul wrote human cooperativlei rebll god adma sin subject and sin transmit gener gener andi byler
soc.religion.christian	satan kick heaven biblic articl atho rutger edu eastee wkuvx bitnet write question satan taught long time ago that satan angel god and kick heaven challeng god author problem cannot find thi bibl bibl not origin wonder eddi eddi peopl battl describ rev describ cast satan heaven and fall earth shalom len howard
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ articl atho rutger edu mserv mozart iup edu mail server write don necessarili object secreci question sinc biblic reason aspect christian worship involv secreci earli church histori catechumen dismiss prior celebr eucharist secret give rise rumor that christian cannib and sort pervers claim action consid holi observ christian potenti danger for individu christian identifi larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
soc.religion.christian	christian and repeat live articl atho rutger edu kevxu cunyvm bitnet write isn origen cite prestigi propon reincarn christian thinker view and relat christian scriptur appear believ that had view condemn conciliar action condemn idea reincarn condemn doctrin pre exist soul birth similar not exactli thing larri overack shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
soc.religion.christian	question hell articl atho rutger edu wytten umn umn edu dale wyttenbach write basi idea hell place etern suffer biblic refer train thought god earth manufactur heavenli be logic that yield and amount wast yield heaven and wast burn destroi hell punish wast destroi luke talk rich man and lazaru matthew talk etern fire prepar for devil and angel revel and refer thi fire place unbeliev thrown matthew talk thrown into etern fire and fire hell quit clear that thi place fire burn forev revel passag clear that devil and angel will torment forev matthew passag doesn abundantli clear whether punish unbeliev everlast sens final sens continu dale question come suggest that hell short accept altern live forev sourc life peac and joi unbeliev ceas exist punish continu greater motiv avoid defin that hell want avoid exact natur two main question dale thought god main plan earth continu punish part hell oppos simpli destroi complet refus god that god main plan genuin relationship peopl natur hell and reason for natur lot difficult ascertain clear that hell avoid minimum hell state noth god bibl not awar discuss specif hell gener hot unpleas and torment for instanc not discuss rich man can continu stai fire and feel discomfort pain whether point pain sens abil burn you can forgiv graphic you throw physic bodi into fire assum person start aliv fairli quick point nerv destroi and pain longer sens not state occur judgement unbeliev physic dead cast into hell longer physic bodi can feel physic pain sens continu that hell forev god lazaru rich man parabl told idea listen physic term order point that peopl won listen god even rise dead point parabl reach hard heart not listen fact resurrect gospel jesu christ reason draw parabl that hell not even remot pleasant peter white disclaim written necessarili reflect view compani phil want christ and power resurrect and fellowship share niv suffer death
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu carlson larc nasa gov ann carlson write think gai and christian not compat check digniti integr light presbyterian church affirm mcc church etc meet gai christian find prai discuss scriptur and form your opinion you start your religion thi fine scriptur basi for your statement fact get heart problem you you scriptur your faith driven feel goodism and not word god nice peopl doesn make you can start church you want and won chang fact that wrong that not impli that gai don deserv love and forgiv that call behavior nice peopl baseless and offer satan perfect place work check suspect ann suggest that you whether spirit aliv not whether nice peopl for nice clh
soc.religion.christian	defend faith confer enclos advertis for defend faith confer held franciscan univers steubenvil ohio june attend dtf iii last year and plan thi year recommend highli cathol interest apologet will lot music cathol speaker fellowship eucharist liturgi fridai and sundai registr per person financi aid you hous resid hall each bless sacrament chapel desir person for doubl occup for two night total reserv can made for you nearbi holidai inn night for singl room meal cafeteria fridai dinner sundai lunch for breakfast franciscan univers steubenvil locat eastern ohio rout mile west ohio river and ohio rout greater pittsburgh intern airport hour mile campu feel free mail you question can answer agenda type friend mine fridai afternoon special reflect lewi preliminari session walter hooper walter hooper foremost intern expert write lewi serv secretari lewi and sinc edit lewi literari work for public walter ordain priest church england serv oxford england enter cathol church fridai even open session search truth find full faith bishop fabian bruskewitz your rite kimberli hahn saturdai morn apologet mean never you karl keat lewi signpost cathol church walter hooper mass bishop bruskewitz celebr rai ryland homilist saturdai afternoon mysteri feminin exclud priesthood alic von hildebrand men make father masculin and male priesthood peter kreeft saturdai even cathol hear gospel thoma howard cathol gospel not save sinner scott hahn sundai morn place rome pilgrimag two protest pastor panel mass rai ryland celebr michael scanlan tor homilist that appear cathol answer defend faith confer cathol church teach you june time chang major cathol doctrin misunderstood and attack never believ reason cathol church teach pope urg readi give defens for hope that you peter grab your notebook and readi for unforgett spiritu and intellectu weekend thi year confer will candidli confront hardest question and object cathol faith deepen your understand church teach scott and kimberli hahn thoma howard karl keat alic von hildebrand peter kreeft and rai ryland cut throught confus and doubt and equip give defens for hope that you join defend faith fourth seri annual confer design strengthen life cathol and interest cathol faith can you you call toll free todai franciscan univers tent steubenvil steubenvil ohio steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	daili vers you author trampl snake and scorpion and overcom power enemi noth will harm you luke
soc.religion.christian	love morn malcolm smith ministri begin includ messag teach brought you behalf malcolm smith ministri ministri dedic lead believ into knowledg love god you info ministri and comment whether you found thi teach benefici mail randi hunt rlhunt hou amoco love morn psalm malcolm smith mose wrote thi prayer weari time histori israel gener time write peopl israel had stood kadesh gatewai canaan and made fate choic god refus adventur faith god canaan homeland promis god honor decis and wander desert mile land promis buri sand young decis maker that fate dai twenti and thirti year and destin dead forti year bleach bone desert time seventi eighti live wander had unend sad mose describ end each year sigh fact that knew give month die underscor meaningless exist height success reach heap bleach bone forti year live that depress hopeless disbelief joshua and caleb had stood nation kadesh and had god promis dai enter land forti year period final draw end gener children kadesh grown and eager inherit parent had refus enjoi light thi mose prai time for dai begin and dai miseri year mose had walk moan and complain peopl wilder exil had carri doubl burden not sad live knew had chosen had kadesh problem that ignor charact god ask your god describ god power aaron had creat concept god idol chose calf young bull symbol power viril mind god young bull had impal pharaoh horn and gore egypt god led israel sinai man worship god power miracl grow thin and even bore miracl food desert floor and water gush miracul solid rock desert wasteland god almighti becom hum miracl menu and god power can unpredict young bull calf power whenev person peopl had had absolut power pharaoh and men live had hung whim mood chang wind believ god work wonder behalf not and not trust israel had god base act mose knew heart god motiv act dai encount burn bush mose had fascin god sinai ask shown glori had god had want god thi request grant and mose glimps god gloriou person had come heart god compass and lovingkind exodu word lovingkind not understood human kind love speak kind relationship aris make coven can understood love that will never leav you forsak you lovingkind tenaci british bulldog world walk thi love dig heel and refus leav and not human romant love base feel and root emot love coven commit and oper quit apart feel god love not emot that waver dai dai total commit seek highest and and bring fullest potenti human god not good and beauti arous feel love not woo and fall love that case ugli sin thing reject love and love not not love commit pursu blind allei and bypath foolish will not love that not for can commit love that search for opportun give recipi for long live for you god reveal man scriptur and final jesu come and death and resurrect god lovingkind love and will never leav forsak tragic believ never love power will come faith miracl miracl point and that faith spring heart israel not god lovingkind act power mose knew wai kind god and love that had for peopl total lack understand love not trust strength take land faith born know love for rest respons not forc and call almighti miss heart love almighti and infinit forc man make forc raw power work for depend know forrnula and faith power that issu love demand faith person love forti year meaningless wander monument peopl had never come god love thi point gener and possibl enjoi that god promis mose prai vers languag mose reminisc babi slept secur mother love wake into delight ey wake conscious love watch care for protect fed and clean dai and night mother suppos babi deserv thi arrang made for child repai parent for thi inconveni question consid unnatur even immor child conceiv love anticip and prepar for love excit love that gate death bring into parent love uncondit spontan noth child perform god love love uncondition spontan conceiv imagin and fashion imag brought thi moment blood lord jesu slander and immor even earn and deserv that love child discov personhood and ident ey and touch cuddl parent love scientif fact that babi not touch and held will die surviv will sever emot problem and person held and love will never true mean life embrac and knowledg love god mose prai that gener will learn wake morn rest total confid love god and will receiv promis and bless joi and glad significantli mose prai that will satisfi love satisfi hebrew languag rich pictur word describ fill abund gourmet food us describ earth rain soak and veget receiv water mose prai that will awaken morn drench life give love god that sens satisfact lifelong quest man and woman satisfi deepest selv emot and even physic problem disappear man seek that sens satisfact come feel that fulfil human hour mean make sens ordinari and mundan apart god man seek thi satisfact intellectu pursuit excit emot and feed bodi will even seek religi exercis man will dissatisfi respond love live god know god love will rest life make sens forti year drew close and land promis inherit mose prai thi psalm find fascin that prai and god for daili revel love aw peopl held mose lectur subject lovingkind and knowledg gain live mose knew god can make love won find religi lectur formula can learn and us manipul beauti poem titil emot and give god feel god lover open ey and satisfi love thi prayer man helpless ask god make love real heart mose prayer partial answer gener and exploit faith work love book judg not answer fullest dimens come holi spirit pour love god heart roman histori earli church read holi spirit fall believ thi ancient express that modern english mean give bear hug us luke describ father run prodig and fall neck and kiss holi spirit god hug you your deepest and smother you divin kiss deepest level your thi not time experi file spiritu resum mose prai that morn morn awaken realiz that love world and religi train taught perform order accept spent long live state order find satisfact for ourselv find accept and love and god come humbl receiv love cannot earn and love holi spirit descend into pour love god come still and repeat word love mind jade doctrin perform accept begin realiz that love and mean and purpos life challeng read thi begin each dai moment you open your ey celebr god love and prai thi prayer you not feel happen rai dai not feel note that technician protect wall you cannot expos rai affect conscious begin dai know that love such experienti knowledg will produc mose joi and glad dai joi result life that function god intend function made you that joi hum engin that peak perform man highest perform rest love god for hum will joi and result will endless creativ aris sens mean life stop wander wilder satisfi love and joi dai dai receiv promis bless end includ messag
soc.religion.christian	mercuri refer fundamentalist christian parent articl atho rutger edu dan ingr rose aros write mondai morn edit san jose mercuri new articl sandra gonzal top page explain convict killer david edwin mason troubl childhood rais oakland and san lorenzo strict fundamentalist christian parent mason beaten child instanc child abus delet san jose mercuri new come articl start rais oakland mexican parent mason beaten face red anger injustic mexican famili member and mexican commun that open biggotri thi practic and encourag san jose mercuri new point christian commun perhap connect that not mexican variant you bring that not extrem fundamentalist christian us excus teach children biblic moral justifi thi sort mistreat not mexican mexican heritag excus for abus thi judgement control legal fundamentalist christian that led reject that branch faith not true gospel christ gospel love thi sort thing even amoung rel relationship judgement lead overli strict and abus disciplin children thi not restrict christian fundament found extrem sect legalist religion can good christian continu purchas newspap and bui advertis thi kind newspap thi bad journal christian not condon us bibl justifi thi sort abus that expos horror misappl biblic concept disciplin that such abus can stop christian not mean identifi eith thi sort sin made public sarima teradata tdatirv sarima stanlei friesen elsegundoca ncr
soc.religion.christian	major view triniti articl atho rutger edu you write fear orthodox theologian overli love paradox extent that mean peopl flat confus problem thing and part aspect mode god you accept econom trinitarian that you don substant differ standard view that you don find neo platon explan illumin clh put stronger that nonsens simpli put not that platon essenc real exist essenc platon sens not refer can imaginari concept invent provid explan for thing explain wai attribut essenc god attribut that not exist orthodox platon formul leav uniti god limbo sinc base exist essenc fail avoid problem suppos address uniti god primari and trialiti secondari modal aspectu relat role mode interact sinc mean god sarima teradata tdatirv sarima stanlei friesen elsegundoca ncr can read augustin consist your comment trinit influenti west defin distinct person relation you extrem orthodox view not your view incompat triniti clh
soc.religion.christian	dream and bodi incid articl atho rutger edu hub ucsb edu david goggin write your comment question that mind lot moral ethic appli dream and bodi incid dave you read book florenc bull god you rich entic doctrin discuss oob chapter bibl exampl men caught spirit ezekiel paul that thi experi counterfeit satan that for exampl yoga and eastern medatit techniqu can us induc soul leav bodi and float sell book lo angel airport entitl easi journei planet such techniqu occult tranc medium sometim involv such bodi departur book challang counterfeit medium get save tell author last tranc attack evil spirit kill return bodi end seanc interest christian and supernatur protect lord similar mind alter drug and phenomena trip regard connect bodi and soul interest vers ecclesiast passag talk ag preacher write man etern home and mourner street rememb silver cord sever understand thi silver cord that that attach bodi and soul manner somewhat similar umbil cord astronaut air line spaceship person bodi thi silver cord attach soul whereev and vulner broken astral project can danger bull report case yogi oob found dead apart appar extern barnei resson run and fro knowledg increas daniel
soc.religion.christian	christian reform belong fact christian reform church two major heir dutch reform tradit reform church america crc spinoff rca unclear refer exactli differ clh
soc.religion.christian	baptism requir faith aaron aaron bryce cardena aaronc athena mit edu write aaron colossian you circumcis aaron put sin natur not circumcis aaron christ buri baptism and rais aaron your faith power god rais aaron dead aaron baptism rais life christ roman aaron person faith power god parent aaron faith cannot thi infant faith aaron bibl and believ sin for thrown into sea larg millston ti neck mark children come and not hinder for kingdom god belong such you truth will not receiv kingdom god child will never enter colossian passag not make faith requir for baptism that baptism born regener and resurrect faith case infant that baptism work faith heart infant power word colossian passag make baptism spiritu circumcis circumcis mean male infant made part god coven israel command perform eighth dai earli church understood thi and even debat whether baptism had perform eighth dai fact earlier aaron roman not israelit accept good aaron new for isaiah lord believ messag aaron faith come hear messag and aaron messag heard word christ aaron receiv god gift faith hear aaron messag gospel and gospel sure preach infant adult baptism real sens sacrament gospel made tangibl aaron faith respons hear aaron god word preach kid not spiritu aaron intellectu emotion matur respond aaron god word you not matur faith you thi basi god word your reason faith describ gift god ephesian faith infant adult power gospel roman aaron you read ezekiel you will that god doesn aaron hold guilti for sin can aaron origin guilt adam you show that you don understand origin sin you argu straw man you talk cathol don origin sin not consist god imput adam guilt consist inherit adam sin natur actual sin for exampl augsburg confess articl and apolog augsburg confess articl and for extra credit john knox scot confess articl iii aaron that background aaron origin sin not biblic aaron scriptur us support aaron roman sin enter world aaron man and death sin and thi death aaron men sin thi question infant die infant baptism not valid christian church centuri almost baptism perform infant luther melancthon calvin zwingli hu knox andra and chemnitz christian aaron psalm sure sin birth sin time aaron mother conceiv aaron thi psalm wonder exampl humbl aaron ourselv god repent for sin david aaron man god heart and wrote psalm aaron commit adultri bathsheba and murder husband aaron that david that can rememb time aaron wasn sin humbl god aaron confess sin that sin aaron birth hyperbol bibl inspir god isn aaron limit liter interpet figur aaron speech jesu john for anoth exampl aaron hyperbol luke you liter and not liter interpret manifestli absurd psalm reason direct contradict clear passag word god you compar genesi lord smell pleas aroma and heart never will curs ground man even inclin heart evil childhood aaron aaron that grow and becom wiser luke and aaron implic that jesu wrong thing child aaron knew choos wrong you long prove thi monstrou assert you can that jesu grew wisdom and statur conclus that wrong child base extrapol reason not direct revel scriptur david wagner mad reason rush and confession lutheran baptism not dazzl work regard worthless martin luther larg catech fourth part baptism
soc.religion.christian	soc religion christian anni dozier dozier utkux utk edu wrote read post thi newsgroup for past month becom appar that thi group primarili activ liber cathol ager and athiest chang name soc religion perhap even soc religion heck don flame cathol gai and vote for bill clinton your side sinc conserv protest time religion believ exclus francis christian christian and divers and contenti tradit and thi group reflect that divers not readi conced group liber conserv cathol protest orthodox charismat not claim that truth and not christian revdak netcom
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soc.religion.christian	soc religion christian articl atho rutger edu dozier utkux utk edu anni dozier write read post thi newsgroup for past month becom appar that thi group primarili activ liber cathol ager and athiest chang name soc religion perhap even soc religion heck don flame cathol gai and vote for bill clinton your side sentiment exactli unsub thi group thi christian discuss list belong and onc chase strife anger discont li paul saul come preach christ and crucifi don simpl beauti faith god overshadow headi theolog discuss thousand line post incarn trap church for atheist agnost read thi list you aren christian and you intent earth you wast your time and mine particip christian discuss list will continu search for christian discuss prayer spirit fill kind humbl patient etc circl sheila patterson cit technic support group ccc cornel univers ithaca afraid that discuss group contain peopl view turn into argument largest differ present talk religion misc spend lot time christian atheist argument soc religion christian spend lot time argument christian group and bitnet cathol group spend lot time argument conserv and liber cathol person prefer set somewhat special group altern liber and conserv protest and cathol handl traffic signific group orthodox that reader argument find pain moder clh
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin muddmj wkuvx bitnet write haven sin and come short glori god roman that cite thi scriptur claim that even babe requir baptism neglect that sin not imput law roman capabl comprehend god law not account for live book life and not remov can make consciou decis disobei god idler babi not suppos baptis doesn bibl never come and peopl that wrong taught can baptis christ solemli assur you can enter god kingdom born water and spirit not surpris that you you begotten thi born origin sin presum you quot john king jame bibl man born water and spirit cannot enter into kingdom god john man adult thi quibbl translat can analyz lord address marvel not that thee born john jesu direct remark nicodemu ruler jew not child can ourselv lord even introduc concept spiritu birth baptism newborn babi weren free sin idler yup john man not origin translat can enter nrsv jesu address person place deal children mention post clh
soc.religion.christian	christian and repeat live articl atho rutger edu kevxu cunyvm bitnet it thi essenti discuss reincarn context christian gerri palo made comparison asian religi belief thi topic simplifi asian idea karma point misrepresent realiz that gener problem scrutini asian point view discuss detail for purpos thi newsgroup and thread and thi newsgroup risk oversimpli ficat main purpos emphas that not come buddhist hindu point view you observ main context that christian mean add comment and correct you find wrote longer repli address your point decid not post perhap for soc religion eastern add coupl item karma and reincarn matter anthroposoph and christian point view karma not simpl reward and punish dealt judg deiti reincarn not born reincarn not resurrect bodi reincarn and karma not contradict fundament teach christian god fall incarn death and resurrect christ come sin grace forgiv salvat and last judgement isn origen cite prestigi propon reincarn christian thinker view and relat christian scriptur jack carrol origen work lost not anathemat knowledg write come larg fragment and quotat enemi perhap can comment origen don specif statement reincarn hold teach form anoth don histori idea reincarn church heard interest stori pope john paul astronom teach univers cracow pope like poland for scientif confer coupl year can relax and talk polish friend and fellow countrymen acquaint anthroposophist relat fact that woitila knew steiner and anthroposophi earli dai priest actor dramat compani cracow leader pupil steiner and base act and direct method steiner indic part work studi basic work anthroposophi thi confer year ago astronom and anoth polish anthroposophist thought pope thought anthroposophi chicken last minut thought reincarn pope smile and quit good cathol believ reincarn and proceed name earliest time modern time chang subject polish friend not whether origen mention gerri palo compuserv origen not anathemat controversi avoid outright condemn lifetim view condemn council alexandria and two council constantinopl and fairli preexist soul doctrin condemn clh
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ dhammer pacif david hammerslag you mormon reconcil idea etern marriag christ statement that resurrect peopl will marri marriag luke chapt footnot bibl refer thi vers book tobit tobit septuagint goodspe publish book call apocrypha bookstor will thi rate jew christ dai had thi book stori center son tobit name tobia young ladi sarah had enter bridal chamber brother success brother di chamber consum marriag tobia entitl sarah for wife tobia rel and destin for tobia begin tobia wife and consum marriag husband not partner heaven that not elimin tobia eighth husband tobit fun and interest stori read kind mythic romanc shorter esther ld scriptur that parallel and amplifi luke notabl doctrin and coven man marri wife world and marri not word and coven long world and coven and marriag not forc dead and world not bound law world world marri marriag appoint angel heaven angel minist servant minist for worthi and exceed and etern weight glori cordial charl dike
soc.religion.christian	kingdom theologi recent understood term kingdom theologi mean theologi kingdom god discov that and special mean gather that call dominion theologi and that belief that christian creat theocrat form govern earth christ will come not come across believ advoc thi told that widespread belief usa can give inform question teach denomin and start public that propag organ that propag steve hay depart missiolog editori depart univ south africa box pretoria south africa internet hayesstw risc unisa fidonet steve hay fidonet org faq missiolog studi christian mission and part faculti theologi unisa
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl atho rutger edu muddmj wkuvx bitnet write capabl comprehend god law not account for live book life and not remov can make consciou decis disobei god idler babi not suppos baptis doesn bibl never come and peopl that wrong taught can baptis christ solemli assur you can enter god kingdom born water and spirit not surpris that you you begotten thi born origin sin earlier discuss thi thread impress that even children didn requir baptism wouldn hurt contrari you baptiz children capabl comprehend you deni opportun demonstr desir serv god you consid that children not account for sin not capabl repent peter group men and brethren repent and baptiz you act notic that that repent baptiz peter instruct peopl demonstr repent forsak sin and desir obei god command elig baptiz sinc young children not capabl repent not elig for baptism and sinc god and merci sin not imput law roman young children not account for can comprehend idler
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl atho rutger edu mdw uxa cso uiuc edu michael walker write feel baptism thi parent baptiz babi that babi sanctifi grace baptism and remov origin sin soul event unexpect death you michael john jesu amen amen you can enter kingdom god born water and spirit that and meant that vers definit baptism don law book front canon law that urg parent baptiz children week birth for reason that you state randal lee nichola mandock catechist prism gatech edu
soc.religion.christian	hate sin scott prism gatech edu scott holt write hate sin love sinner heard that quit bit recent context discuss christian and homosexu context isn that import question whether that statement consist christian not grate for scott reflect thi oft quot phrase remind scriptur sourc for rom doesn count kid manner thi piec convent wisdom appli experi uniformli hate and destruct billh
soc.religion.christian	public privat revel question virgin mari marti helgesen write alleg privat revel attract suffici attent church investig investig likelihood that alleg privat revel fact god will approv that mean that can preach church true that requir that god cathol free deni authent even attest and strongli approv privat revel such fatima and lourd suspect that cathol reject fatima and lourd reject not mean not orthodox cathol good stand bit that cathol free deni happen fatima that bit strong sort that cathol free deni that hong kong exist cathol free deni truth fatima call heret you can label thing for such offens not heret theologian make basic distinct degre assent give event fatima and lourd thing reveal god jesu christ apostl assent due revel god total and unswerv fatima and lourd demand assent attest event human histori perhap bit approv church approv apparit church princip mean that happen harmoni cathol faith person privat revel lord tell period histori gave doctrin etc year ago can us know exactli appli gave cathol devot sacr heart result seri apparit margaret mari alacoqu for exampl problem time extrem moral rigor that turn lord into heart fatima apparit warn impend crisi church live and save soul such situat
soc.religion.christian	bibl immacul concept articl atho rutger edu jek nih gov write will put enmiti you serpent and woman and your seed and seed can read crush your head and you bruis heel genesi hebrew genesi gender masculin crush your head and you bruis heel latin feminin form accid grammar adequ explan jerom translat genesi latin feminin don sinc hebrew masculin scholarli treatment thi puzzl hear you
soc.religion.christian	baptism requir faith aaron bryce cardena write roman not israelit accept good new for isaiah lord believ messag faith come hear messag and messag heard word christ receiv god gift faith hear messag gospel faith respons hear god word preach kid not spiritu intellectu emotion matur respond god word cannot faith and cannot rais baptism life cathol view effect baptism slightli differ and that primari reason baptiz babi that baptism produc chang soul babi quit independ volit act part babi thi chang babi soul infant capabl that not baptism sinc infant not us intellect and will faculti dormant child get older gift baptism come and into plai ezekiel soul sin will die son will not share guilt father will father share guilt son righteous righteou man will credit and wicked wick will charg you read ezekiel you will that god doesn hold guilti for sin can origin guilt adam adam number gift god chief cathol call sanctifi grace testament word us for thi chariti sin adam lost thi grace didn lose for lost for human race onc lost couldn pass descend that cathol baptiz babi origin sin adam lost sanctifi grace for descend christ institut baptism give back babi not punish for person simpli lack order enter heaven
soc.religion.christian	definit christian simplist like fact that christian not believ god believ god name extern identifi preach christ and crucifi pai price rebeliion and shortcom god god thi son beliv scott dittman email sdittman wlu edu univers registrar talk fax washington and lee univers snail mail lexington virginia good thing for christian follow definit bit hard appli clh
soc.religion.christian	definit christian articl atho rutger edu clh write into discuss christian number definit start broadest commonli us definit level attempt give broad doctrin definit includ major strand christian exclud group that felt histor christian thi slipperi enterpris sinc cathol argu that protest histor christian etc commonli accept definit base nicen creed and formula chalcedon you you want includ chalcedon presum that you mean descript jesu fulli human and fulli devin almost major copt and armenian and jacobit christian for centuri maintain that disagre formula chalcedon that wouldn christian like object that commun don requir person commit jesu tangenti relat formula chalcedon john kolassa kolassa bio bst rochest edu understand recent discuss copt for practic purpos accept chalcedon talk natur two issu terminolog substanc clh
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart articl apr geneva rutger edu johnsd rpi edu write articl geneva rutger edu seanna bnr seanna watson write deletia recoveri program etc you show that such thing spiritu that show that spirit soul whatnot exist god not import that can feel that debat cross purpos that not fundament assumpt and thi perhap make answer orthogon your question will perhap you that noth exist object observ and provabl thing that case cannot show you that such thing spirit spiritu thing not exist realm object realm subject otoh you you can simpli explicitli assum spirit exist and show that and that handl you can assum god exist that will plai assum you mean alcohol anonym and not alt atheism not that handl spiritu that and step program peopl come term that facilit recoveri and that part recoveri recogn spiritu and begin reli higher power step term fill substanc abus had accustom object proof ident alcohol and recov fulfil spiritu and and extern compar differ talk virtual infinit complex peopl god compon your spiritu trueli not understand sound spirit that fulfil god can mask wai drug etc thi case you can leav god describ problem not solut spiritu defin thing that peopl addit physic requir air food sleep etc thing for love and accept and for mean life deni exist spiritu thing call emot reason christian call spiritu that aspect that not fulfil spiritu mean person love and accept peopl and meaning thing for love can satisfi love god problem that peopl accept exist and peopl reject sinc absolut truth peopl and wrong possibl christian spiritu god not realiz that god delud haven recogn christian wrong spiritu artefact brain chemic adjust and properli integr person not such thing christian simpli concept god and spiritu mask inadequaci hate belabour point exist spirit and spiritu cannot object demonstr proven exist god cannot and thi mean that risk that subject evid manufactur brain chemic hand ventur into solips and that risk that that object manufactur brain chemic suspect thi unsatisfactori answer request for evid and demonstr exist spirit and spiritu assert that such thing not object demonstr christian side agnostic push fenc subject evid and not rais christian not case simpli accept indoctrin seanna watson bell northern research prai that end live seanna bnr ottawa ontario canada philosophi and creed god will find peopl busi opinion opinion opinion plant tree and sow seed not bnr mine knew left fred kaan
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach poram ihlpb att write count apocrapha fall short glori god quot unger bibl dictionari apocrapha abound histor and geograph inaccuraci and anachron teach doctrin fals and foster practic varianc sacr scriptur resort literari type and displai artifici subject matter and style keep sacr scriptur lack distinct element give genuin scriptur divin charact such prophet power and poetic and religi feel point obviou highli subject issu hard press point anoth book for that matter that doesn issu fail test second factor deuterocanon share late composit don recal exact date book not written latest canon book daniel deuterocanon not origin written greek deepli hellenist natur featur figur heavili reject book canon not strict and uniformli applic criteria judg canon book discuss shown thing can that pure object standard for determin canon nichael and funcal smurfi smile icon predic lisp sy honk
soc.religion.christian	long text act variant text moder post thi week ago never show local net thi post fill free flush thi copi andrew cmu edu andrew byler english translat long recens act apostl can found english translat thi can found act apostl translat codex beza introduct lucan origin and import wilson london anoth work that act apostl critic edit introduct and note select passag albert clark oxford reprint thi edit text act that make assumpt that text codex beza authent don contain english translat not anoth that discuss variant detail theolog tendenc codex beza cantabrigiensi act eldon epp cambridg recent refer found edit french earli can suppli refer interest work difficult find you interest examin differ long recens excel and easili obtain discuss can found textual commentari greek bruce metzger unit bibl societi metzger book serv companion volum ub edit greek contain discuss reason that decis each variant read includ ub note addit read includ atcotgnt major occur act introduct section act metzger write attempt made set reader full report english translat addit and modif that attest western wit sinc apparatu text volum care suppli adequ conspectu evid that support diverg read understand that earli codex vaticanu and siniaticu thi version act interest differ long and short form copi text act that includ vaticanu and siniaticu adher pretti close shorter alexandrian version longer version you refer call western version and main wit codex beza althought fragmentari sourc size differ that clark edit mention book act contain word text edit westcott and hort typic alexandrian text contain word differ answer obviou question major revel longer text major omiss shorter text main differ expans detail western text you prefer contract alexandrian western text detail interest specif case thi not place into detail discuss year version authent hot and heavi approach modern consensu that text repres pure authent version each variant read examin merit iii variant alexandrian text not
soc.religion.christian	jacob and esau jek nih gov write wrote that apostl paul roman speak god choos jacob esau and add that thi not result that child had sinc had not born understand that roman written jacob love esau hate refer not two individu offspr tribe jacob and tribe esau obadiah for exampl fact you scan you will find similar refer two tribe aaron cardena aaronc athena mit edu
soc.religion.christian	ten command ten discours discuss sabbath folk across that complet and thought offer for comment thi state observ declar statement and can comment basic observ that phrase ten command us mose not refer refer ten distinct discours that phrase ten command accur translat ten discours passag call ten command not complet convinc that true for purpos discuss argu argument support idea aren ten command order command you two vers and vers not support such divis not worship god that vers command god and vers command not worship idol mention vers you can violat vers violat vers indic that passag command and leav command length thi for stop thi summari ten speech begin tradit ten command and god mose two tablet ten command discours written break ten follow and case each passag begin variat phrase and lord spoke mose except begin ordin you set word translat command phrase ten command isn word for command word for speech utter word us for longer discours individu statement for instanc combin word yom dai thi word translat chronicl such phrase rest act and not written chronicl word for command freeli us book mose and perhap signific that mose spoke ten appear avoid word for command and chosen word associ discours longer singl command god tell mose that give stone tablet law and command not give mose tablet finish ten discours mount sinai ten command not immedi clear god wait dai and discours give tablet mose hand ten discours written tablet make perfect sens that god not give mose tablet had finish deliv ten discours mose tablet found that tablet written side ten command vers god had written larg letter not that couldn like that thi refer two tablet contain ten discours written normal size letter cor paul specif singl command written stone ministri death that fade and ministri condemn except command sabbath difficult paul refer command temporari fade type command thi problem stone tablet happen includ command argument thi idea main argument thi idea fact that contradict long stand tradit that mose quot command word lord spoke and ad and wrote two tablet stone and gave thi appear identifi word quot content two stone tablet that impress thought note that great deal hing you understand phrase word mose meant word relat you spoken god etc that mean that tradit ten command stone tablet mose make parenthet comment word tell you spoken god etc that quit note that account mose tell stone tablet tell peopl ask mose repres god exodu account peopl ask thi mose and second discours dai god gave mose stone tablet thi reinforc idea that mose remark intend parenthet remark strictli chronolog account god wrote and point stop ad tablet summari thing consid find somewhat like that command mose regard ten discours god don espous thi idea brand lean accept interest hear comment and critic care offer mark
soc.religion.christian	daili vers and not set your heart you will eat drink not worri luke
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ articl atho rutger edu dhammer pacif david hammerslag write thi paragraph brought mind question you mormon reconcil idea etern marriag christ statement that ressurect peopl will marri marriag luke chapt that point david spirit separ bodi and live spirit world cannot undergo ordin marriag cannot baptiz sinc physic bodi baptiz perform ordin proxi for behalf for ask brook brook haderli brh ca org wise can columbu ucon jacob opinion not necessarili reflect employ
soc.religion.christian	homosexu repli post that christian homosexu judg maintain that not judg that homosexu wrong responc post and make gener sterotyp evalu peopl respond side christian and homosexu compat admitedli not homosexu that mail responc don make sterotyp assumpt group peopl sinc ask oppos veiw point will peopl made wild assumpt put don resourc and even revert name call you don thi acur represent you homosexu christian show diffrenc christ love bryan
soc.religion.christian	homosexu recent mail mention technic messeng aren even human can case homosexu even rape jude refer sodom meaning context sodomit lust for flesh angel applic homosexu behavior gener posit gai christian large speciou angel flesh feel that thi that lust men flesh thi world opinon thi haven heard thi vers christ love bryan
soc.religion.christian	hell april stephen mcintyr write spend etern hell besid god heaven know that even man spend etern life scorch for wrongdo stephen suspect that you and us word hell concept mind you encount refer heaven term crown and harp and golden street trust that you not suppos suspect christian suppos that golden street liter that concept heaven you suppos that fire hell you read atla shrug you rememb last descript jame taggart sit floor besid ferri persuad thi come close descript meant hell circl imag fire us thi connect two reason that occur reason that convei idea hell that ration earnestli avoid ration avoid fate jame taggart imag meaning read atla shrug smaller audienc plai match second reason histori hebrew word gehenna word translat hell testament refer vallei hinnon jerusalem earli dai place canaanit offer human sacrific burn aliv molech made garbag refus dump fire burn continu consum trash citi jerusalem cast into gehenna burn gehenna metaphor for reject discard worthless you that identifi hell fate jame taggart privat fanci commend you book great divorc lewi discuss heaven harp and hell flame shorter atla shrug and bookstor and librari jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	hate sin interest point bibl doesn hate sin tell avoid sin resist sin even denounc sin not hate michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi passag talk god peopl god approv hate sin action talk hate sinner passag that talk hate evil didn turn thi search word hate kjv crosscheck each passag nrsv prov isa amo zec rev clh
soc.religion.christian	satan kick heaven biblic thi respons request for biblic refer satan fallen angel clh isaiah common read thi passag that refer king babylon mytholog languag iron claim clh
soc.religion.christian	christian crisi hank hanegraaff christian crisi hank hanegraaff controversi for sake controversi sin controversi for sake truth divin command walter martin walter martin person select hank hanegraaff succe presid christian research institut largest evangel counter cult organ world thi skill care treatment explos subject hanegraaff document and examin belief word faith movement compromis and confus essenti histor christian faith for time thi larg and influenti movement legitim label cultic thi book hanegraaff discuss such leader word faith movement kenyon and twelv apostl anoth gospel gal kenneth hagin kenneth copeland benni hinn frederick price john avanzini robert tilton marilyn hickei paul david yonggi cho charl capp jerri savel morri cerullo and paul and jan crouch book harvest hous publish and christian book store you can order hard back copi cri for call and avoid retail mark up christian research journal quarterli public cri articl recent issu releas call wrong word faith movement thi good articl that will inform you each teacher and tide you your book arriv you interest receiv journal you can order cri number for year sourc accur and research info christiandom todai discuss book and thi post peopl content for peopl decid whether worth read clh
soc.religion.christian	baptism requir faith articl atho rutger edu aaronc athena mit edu aaron bryce cardena write colossian you circumcis put sin natur not circumcis christ buri baptism and rais your faith power god rais dead baptism rais life christ roman person faith power god parent faith cannot thi infant faith bibl don issu whether infant faith relev not can exampl john utero prove find translat col odd term circumcis christ kjv and rsv put term christ cricumcis union particip put bodi sin flesh perhap cor divid act burial baptism can independ faith experi rise christ faith faith thi interpret advantag explain faithlessli baptiz for baptisim not benefit serv put into kingdom nonetheless israelit children includ baptiz cloud and sea advantag not add baptism faith and obedi baptism not impart faith strictli speak basi faith parent covcen promis god impart grace grace kingdom can punish disguis apostaci roman not israelit accept good new for isaiah lord believ messag faith come hear messag and messag heard word christ receiv god gift faith hear messag gospel faith respons hear god word preach kid not spiritu intellectu emotion matur respond god word cannot faith and cannot rais baptism life you teach child prai lord prayer you expect not steal can faith condit and coven longer lord for greatest heb you read ezekiel you will that god doesn hold guilti for sin can origin guilt adam ezekiel god will not hold innoc basi els innocens jesu not feder head adam that ezekiel talk you make ezekiel contradict second commandemnt ezekiel rid offens you committ and heart and spirit will you die hous israel for pleasur death declar sovereign lord repent and live god repent and heart and spirit kid cannot thi act that repent and baptiz will receiv spirit holi spirit live ezekiel that thi heart will god context sprinkl water baptism action god pute into order and not question person faith such roman sin enter world man and death sin and thi death men sin sin and death enter world man sin death each man each man sin note that good read roman vers easier misunderstand read context will that basic thing such death that sin not person death dead state originb sin coven death adam feder head gave dominion devil and death psalm sure sin birth sin time mother conceiv thi psalm wonder exampl humbl ourselv god repent for sin david man god heart and wrote psalm commit adultri bathsheba and murder husband that david that can rememb time wasn sin humbl god confess sin that sin birth hyperbol bibl inspir god isn limit liter interpet figur speech jesu john for anoth exampl hyperbol luke thi psalm figur languag not hyperbol and not necessarili impli not hyperbol languag thi psalm like refer symbol cleanli law make intercours and childbrith act cau uncleann and seper god psalm languag ritual hyssop cleans burnt offer etc david sin bathsheba includ thi element not ritual cleans symbol ritual truth that sin pass generation that organ gener had cut that brith unclean unclean death and babi born dead and need wash new life baptism todai paul duggan
soc.religion.christian	hate sin articl atho rutger edu scott prism gatech edu scott holt write hate beget hate never love sin leav unnam sinc don want thi digress into argument whether not sin let appli hate sin philosophi and happen hate sin stronger hatr will becom eventu thi hate becom strong that becom disgust sinner and eventu come hate sinner you can certaili assert thi don necessarili case can hate stai and not beget disgust and start hate sinner admit thi happen donlt you can necessaili can not hate perfect hatr summari law christ command love god and love neighbor doesn hate fact command save critic for ourselv christian suppos deal sin suppos that deal sin ourselv prayer love even enemi amo hate evil and love good thi can contradict christ teach tie hate and love emot attitud consid object sure don fly into rage sin can not hate paul duggan
soc.religion.christian	crowd pilat post april disast instanc judgement god histori andi byler spoke desir jerusalem mob crucifi lord that blood vera noy repli will not comment for fear heavili flame invit and interest parti read comment thi vers scriptur obtain send messag choos barabba listserv asuacad bitnet listserv asuvm inr asu edu put briefli that signific demand jerusalem crowd greatli misunderstood christian and anti christian reader jame kiefer you send email that address content messag singl line contain command subject line appar asuvm clh
soc.religion.christian	triniti jame green write can describ triniti simpl declar sentenc that common mean offer attempt essai larg indebt attempt two and obtain send messag triniti analog listserv asuacad bitnet listserv asuvm inr asu edu second coupl book dorothi sayer plai call zeal thy hous and fiction book call mind maker plai can found book sacr plai and collect includ call religi drama meridian book and call plai book mere christian lewi last section call person fourth book call theologi for beginn roman cathol writer frank sheed will that not find sheed approach altogeth satisfi person mind respect jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	christian crisi hank hanegraaff articl atho rutger edu yfn ysu edu frank decenso write read thi import book your feel frank wish contend not answer time thousand job frank read coupl time and that excel christiandom need thi book for time suggest that christian read hank print time harvest hous print for print and sold week second print and christian book store wait list you can order directli cri toni
soc.religion.christian	hate sin articl atho rutger edu scott prism gatech edu scott holt write hate sin love sinner heard that quit bit recent context discuss christian and homosexu context isn that import question whether that statement consist christian not hate beget hate never love sin leav unnam sinc don want thi digress into argument whether not sin let appli hate sin philosophi and happen hate sin stronger hatr will becom eventu thi hate becom strong that becom disgust sinner and eventu come hate sinner addit hatr sin and thing person sinner not even sin thi sinner begin hate don love for constant critic behavior hate build and drive peopl god thi cannot good build love don agre can speak for good friend lifestyl sin hate thing and hate absolut not fact tell repeatedli that friend world care despit fact that hate live life easi fall into progress you describ felt friend onc import part christian that you overlook and make love sin hate sinner life and sin and disgust righteous contradictori christian and make progress you describ happen christian can truthfulli quot paul and wretch man that roman nasb that christian will love sinner and hate sin attitud pharise thee that not men luke nasb will hate scott brandei god demonstr lord bless you and you love for that lord make face shine you sinner and graciou you christ di for lord lift counten you and give you peac roman nasb number nasb
soc.religion.christian	thought deuterocanon like not that john whomev wrote book revel consid scriptur not thing you and hold hand revel almost written durin reign domit argu that sin accept peter scriptur sinc ad book composit revel told add noth back and look hunch peter like written revel almost written odd gospel john written date for luke and act thi footnot inform american bibl translat come across regard give complet histor inform each book mike folk you argu almost not accept peter pseudonym that case date earlier thi clh
soc.religion.christian	thought deuterocanon mdw uxa cso uiuc edu michael walker write time recent thi list last dai heard passag revel add sacr word thi book remov word thi book feel thi ridicul for two reason good reason delet take translat thi book rev mean scriptur like hold that violat thi command even wors that not add word command you diminish deut rip page bibl begin joshua revel idler
soc.religion.christian	goedel and ontolog argument fred gilham ask whether true that goedel wrote version ontolog argument for exist god true publish rebutt point flaw argument and recent professor anthoni anderson philosophi depart univers minnesota written revis version argument perhap free flaw and rate free flaw complain origin version copi last week for and surfac can suppli particular guess that publish journal symbol logic jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	definit christian articl atho rutger edu autri magellan stloui sgi larri autri write enrol histori christian colleg loui teacher class close mind and bigot subject definit christian definit ti directli that triniti and cathol church definit and belief jesu christ not suffici call christian you call triniti and cathol church definit precis result christian get togeth and find accept answer your question christian can you object historian belief agre and you call close mind bigot you you mean belief jesu christ not word that suffici describ christian muslim jesu christ prophet and not incarn son god follow eastern religion quit happi that jesu incarn god larg number histor and mythic figur perhap you rephras your question and precis tradit definit christian hand univers church you object regard unnecessari for christian matthew huntbach
soc.religion.christian	dispos bless palm proper dispos bless palm bunch that hold addit mom give us give uncl burn and leav ash seep into ground buri add compost bin advanc toni
soc.religion.christian	arsenokoitai bailei boswel continu deyoung articl survei interpret arsenokoitai bailei bailei perhap trailblaz assess mean arsenokoitai take term cor denot male activ engag homosexu act contrast malakoi effemin engag passiv such act insist that paul knew noth invers inherit trait inher condit due psycholog glandular and regard homosexu practic evid pervers bailei limit term refer paul work act alon and lament modern translat term homosexu bailei distinguish homosexu condit moral neutral and homosexu practic ital sourc paul precis terminolog and moffatt translat sodomit repres paul mean bailei judgment bailei deni that homosexu condit biblic writer boswel influenti studi arsenokoitai contemporari author that john boswel usual translat thi term explicitli implicitli activ sens boswel passiv sens extend discuss term cite linguist evid and common sens support conclus that word mean male sexual agent activ male prostitut argument that arseno part word adjectiv not object koitai refer base sexual activ term boswel design male sexual person male prostitut acknowledg that interpret composit term activ mean sleep make bed men boswel base interpret linguist and histor set argu that compound such paidomath child learner paido subject manthano and such paidoporo child pass paido subject object simpli modifi verbal signific point that each compound individu analyz for mean directli maintain that compound attic form arreno emploi object hellenist arseno us adject admit except thi distinct arreno boswel appeal latin time drauci exoleti male prostitut men women object greek arsenokoitai equival latin drauci passiv parakoitai li besid boswel affirm claim that arsenokoitai explicit word paul for male prostitut sinc paul time attic word porno fornic and porneuon commit fornic found lxx had adopt refer men resort femal prostitut simpli commit fornic absenc term pagan writer such herodotu plato aristotl and plutarch and jewish writer philo and josephu boswel find even convinc evid for affirm that arsenokoitai not connot homosexu even sodomit time paul demonstr absenc pseudo lucian sextu empiricu and libaniu subsequ find lack discuss homosexu relat christian sourc greek includ didach tatian justin martyr eusebiu clement alexandria gregori nyssa and john chrysostom chrysostom singl for omiss final proof that word not mean homosexu boswel appeal omiss text cor and tim discuss homosexu latin church father cite tertullian arnobiu lactantiu and augustin last name circumlocut latin writer includ ausoniu cyprian and minuciu felix term lack state and church legisl sixth centuri term confus and appli varieti sexual activ child molest anal intercours husband and wife survei sourc boswel conclud reason that arsenokoitai malakoi connot homosexu time paul for centuri thereaft and reason suppos that mean not determin christian opinion moral homosexu act clear that boswel defin arsenokoitai refer male prostitut even conclud that paul not disapprov gai inclin gai relationship endur love person gender sex erotic bailei homosexu and western christian tradit london boswel christian social toler and homosexu chicago tranlat tim kjv that defil mankind asv abus men nasb homosexu rsv nkjv nrsv sodomit neb niv pervert gnb sexual pervert cor occur kjv abus mankind asv abus men nasb rsv homosexu nkjv sodomit neb homosexu persvers rsv and neb deriv translat two greek word malakoi and arsenokoitai gbn homosexu pervert nrsv two word male prostitut text and sodomit footnot activ idea predomin comment primari assumpt boswel christian thi word paul for male prostitut for not occur literatur prior paul serach thesauru lingua graeca ibycuc confirm paul coin term prior histori and such discuss lack usag contemporari christian and christian literatur meaningless thi expect paul coin word kei phrase appar discussoin for boswel admit that occur quot paul discuss context implic that cannot writer polycarp philippian theophilu autolycum nilu epistularum libri quattuor cyril alexandria homilia diversa sybillin oravl meant polycarp disipl hohn apostl and di argu context that young men pure term pornoi malakoi and arsenokoitai paul list thi make boswel us subject appar clement alexandria paedogogu sromata belong eusebiu demonstraioni evangelica boswel misrepres fact chrysostom us arsenokoitai and form vice list cor tim beg question deni that word can mean homosexu chrysostom mean arsenokoitai goal and studi whether list discuss boswel admit that chrysostom almost identicl form arsenokoito commentari cor boswel suggest that passag strang that paul seek make refin arsenokoitai appar jerom signific omiss sinc render arsenokoitai masculorum concubitor almost exactli greek footnot bailei homosexu and western christian tradit london boswel christian social toler and homosexu chicago tranlat tim kjv that defil mankind asv abus men nasb homosexu rsv nkjv nrsv sodomit neb niv pervert gnb sexual pervert cor occur kjv abus mankind asv abus men nasb rsv homosexu nkjv sodomit neb homosexu persvers rsv and neb deriv translat two greek word malakoi and arsenokoitai gbn homosexu pervert nrsv two word male prostitut text and sodomit footnot activ idea predomin comment primari assumpt boswel christian thi word paul for male prostitut for not occur literatur prior paul serach thesauru lingua graeca ibycuc confirm paul coin term prior histori and such discuss lack usag contemporari christian and christian literatur meaningless thi expect paul coin word kei phrase appar discussoin for boswel admit that occur quot paul discuss context implic that cannot writer polycarp philippian theophilu autolycum nilu epistularum libri quattuor cyril alexandria homilia diversa sybillin oravl meant polycarp disipl hohn apostl and di argu context that young men pure term pornoi malakoi and arsenokoitai paul list thi make boswel us subject appar clement alexandria paedogogu sromata belong eusebiu demonstraioni evangelica boswel misrepres fact chrysostom us arsenokoitai and form vice list cor tim beg question deni that word can mean homosexu chrysostom mean arsenokoitai goal and studi whether list discuss boswel admit that chrysostom almost identicl form arsenokoito commentari cor boswel suggest that passag strang that paul seek make refin arsenokoitai appar jerom signific omiss sinc render arsenokoitai masculorum concubitor almost exactli greek scrogg
soc.religion.christian	bernadett date jek nih gov write joe moor write mari that time appear girl name bernadett lourd refer immacul concept sinc year know doctrin apparit deem true and seal case for doctrin bernadett year had vision year dogma had offici proclaim pope jame kiefer forgot exactli ag rememb that born famili poverti and not educ whatsoev ag apparit suffer asthma that ag and and famili live prison cell sort had ladi time apparit name sinc confessor priest ask for instanc priest not answer sinc bernadett not receiv time apparit pass ladi final immacul concept bernadett happi and repeat word and mind not forget told priest ask told priest priest shock and ask bernadett you you talk bernadett not exactli meant happi answer for priest priest continu you rememb thi you not bernadett answer honestli that had repeat and mind priest priest knew dogma year bernadett not and had answer priest final observ and proof authent person revel ladi bernadett note thi ladi lourd shrine spring water ladi request bernadett dig bare hand front pilgrim start water flow year water flow marida spread god word action mother teresa
soc.religion.christian	daili vers king jame compar thi previou version niv whoso hearkeneth dwell safe and quiet fear evil proverb
soc.religion.christian	christian crisi bit listserv christia zane write facn saupm bitnet zane dhahan newsgroup bit listserv christia subject christian crisi date wed frank for great scriptur vers pleasur read repli you zane zane noth that will will chang your mind you book question for you mean you caught word faith thing that you read book you rescu error and pain that will result your christian life repli christian enter into word faith movement easi wasn ground word god and sound doctrin visit christian book store cheapest book find bui and book hagin and began receiv hagin monthli magazin and send and copeland wasn read booklet jimmi swaggart call hyper faith gnostic that began realiz teach partak error start read bibl and studi jimmi point part experi alert christian christian that teach heret and berean act check teach scriptur brother law involv word faith cult area leader real good friend benni hinn into detail thi suffic deceiv mistreat and fallen into atheism prai for phil assist pastor church teach adult sundai school follow copeland for year thousand tape faith teacher class recent quot teacher heret statement surpris sinc talk length issu leader women group church benni hinn fan recent found that lend good morn holi spirit women church that prompt quot sundai school lend cic peopl church awar abus and heresi perpetr thi movement and urgenc heart and life warn peopl heresi heresi jesu sin natur devil and jesu death cross wasn aton jesu drag hell death beat and abus satan and demon finish aton satan rule jesu born hell jesu di spiritu lost divin and reassum resurrect god heresi document will provid teach request zane for you prevent you and join word faith movement you contempl join for long that you read book you save that repli wasn christian crisi that help booklet swaggart that mention cic tremend document and insight zane don nice scriptur answer for profit for christian engag thi type activ heresi hunt repli you call heresi hunt hunt impli isn readili access thi movement fastest grow movement christendom hagin sold million book and booklet hinn sold book last coupl year swindol and dobson combin fred price largest church term seat capac usa doesn sound hunt need scriptur expos doctrin error gave vers you can epistl written due error doctrin practic church earli church had numer council expos error and heresi not thing rememb luther zane point that histor hunt heret end caus bigger mess heret thi document opinion repli you can provid document appreci read ephesian esp vss and and disun and immatur bodi eph till come uniti faith and knowledg son god perfect man measur statur full christ that longer children toss and fro and carri wind doctrin trickeri men cun crafti deceit plot disun contrari popular opinion isn caus expos error caus error zane give place for scriptur document spiritu develop growth writer suggest that fieri paul letter galatian mellow and matur into lose for sake love end repli scholar paul wrote timothi last examin admonit tim ascertain mellow had becom hold fast pattern sound word you heard faith and love christ jesu that good thing commit you holi spirit dwell thi you that asia turn phygellu and hermogen dilig present approv god worker not asham rightli divid word truth shun profan and idl babbl for will increas ungodli and messag will spread cancer hymenaeu and philetu thi sort strai truth that resurrect past and overthrow faith and servant lord not quarrel gentl teach patient humil correct opposit god perhap will grant repent that truth and that come sens and escap snare devil captiv will for thi sort creep into household and make captiv gullibl women load sin led lust learn and never come knowledg truth jann and jambr resist mose resist truth men corrupt mind disapprov faith will progress for folli will manifest and desir live godli christ jesu will suffer persecut evil men and impostor will grow wors and wors deceiv and deceiv you continu thing you learn and assur know you learn and that childhood you holi scriptur make you wise for salvat faith christ jesu scriptur inspir god and profit for doctrin for reproof for correct for instruct righteous that man god complet equip for good work preach word readi season and season convinc rebuk exhort longsuff and teach for time will come will not endur sound doctrin desir itch ear will heap for teacher and will turn ear truth and turn fabl you watch thing endur afflict work evangelist fulfil your ministri alexand coppersmith harm lord repai work you bewar for greatli resist word zane pictur paul not destroi ministri wolv teach sheep tear necess absolut not allow transform into wolv protect repli act testifi you thi dai that innoc blood men for not shun declar you counsel god heed and flock holi spirit made you overs shepherd church god purchas blood for thi that departur savag wolv will come you not spare flock men will rise speak pervers thing draw discipl watch and rememb that for year not ceas warn night and dai tear zane for warn paul note that never onc drop name wolf will admit cri beard end abandon asia wasn repli paul mention name thi charg commit you son timothi propheci previous made you that you wage good warfar faith and good conscienc reject faith suffer shipwreck hymenaeu and alexand deliv satan that learn not blasphem thi you that asia turn phygellu and hermogen shun profan and idl babbl for will increas ungodli and messag will spread cancer hymenaeu and philetu thi sort strai truth that resurrect past and overthrow faith for dema forsaken love thi present world and depart for thessalonica crescen for galatia titu for dalmatia alexand coppersmith harm lord repai work you bewar for greatli resist word john wrote church diotreph love preemin not receiv come will call mind deed prate malici word and not content that not receiv brethren and forbid put church jesu singl teach and doctrin rev thing you you hold doctrin balaam taught balak put stumbl block children israel eat thing sacrif idol and commit sexual immor you hold doctrin nicolaitan thing hate repent will come you quickli and will fight sword mouth rev nevertheless thing you you that woman jezebel call prophetess teach and seduc servant commit sexual immor and eat thing sacrif idol and gave time repent sexual immor and not repent will cast into sickb and commit adulteri into great tribul repent deed will kill children death and church that search mind and heart and will give each you your work zane question purpos write book and build ministri fault deliber wander desert eat locust and honei bare cake worldli good stake monei made reput maintain question motiv consciou repli won comment thi deal intang motiv even had bad motiv rememb paul phi preach christ even envi and strife and good will preach christ selfish ambit not sincer suppos add afflict chain love know that appoint for defens gospel that whether pretens truth christ preach and thi rejoic and will rejoic zane want true admonit scriptur you list protect ourselv and flock wolv and wind doctrin suggest start allow wolf program noetic pastur nail cross repli explain zane secondli suggest heresi hunt restrict fellowship strict scriptur sens local citi church repli heresi not propag mass media not need mass media exposur heresi taught not copeland church hagin hinn price radio print etc pastor church leader materi sheep feed church imper that leadership made awar thi and cic that examin passag scriptur eph and gave apostl prophet evangelist and pastor and teacher eph for equip saint for work ministri for edifi bodi christ ministri gift that lord instal church not for individu church for bodi christ paul apostl travel distil messag teacher for thi reason timothi you belov and faith son lord will remind you wai christ teach church god distribut each lord call each walk and ordain church and god appoint church apostl second prophet teacher that miracl gift heal help administr varieti tongu eph till come uniti faith and knowledg son god perfect man measur statur full christ notic that fold ministri till church uniti faith and knowledg son god perfect man thi will not occur fulli lord jesu return cor god bodi continu matur hinder matur and uniti bodi eph that longer children toss and fro and carri wind doctrin trickeri men cun crafti deceit plot clear that fals doctrin integr into church trickeri men disun thing strive for and spiritu immatur church continu spiritu childhood christian toss and fro and carri wind doctrin fold ministri not clear scriptur denomin boundari pastor respons for individu flock deal doctrin struggl equip bodi believ call thi degre jud belov dilig write you common salvat found write you exhort you contend earnestli for faith onc for deliv saint for men crept unnot long ago mark for thi condemn ungodli men turn grace god into lewd and deni lord god and lord jesu christ zane you notic scriptur heresi hunter that church church and area area bad gui and good gui paul consid arch heret repli heret discredit paul preach contrari taught zane face wolv for reason and for reason and hope wolv becom sheep and sheep lamb repli and servant lord not quarrel gentl teach patient humil correct opposit god perhap will grant repent that truth and that come sens and escap snare devil captiv will amen frank wish contend not answer time thousand job
soc.religion.christian	christian and holi thing ezek god upset priest made differ holi and profan thi brought mind sermon heard recent speaker god second name not begin refer us god holi name and titl swear word remind experi mose burn bush god told your sandal for place you stand holi ground and text impli that god peopl treat holi thing differ common thing make differ holi and common thing obviou question make holi and christian primarili suppos make thi differ holi and common thing god name holi spirit holi bibl etc dariu
soc.religion.christian	daili vers listen will live safeti and eas fear harm proverb
soc.religion.christian	capit punish prism gatech edu randal lee nichola mandock write draft univers catech procur common good societi aris that aggressor posit cannot harm virtu thi and oblig public author punish proportion penalti includ death penalti acknowledg degre that mean death penalti and militari oper suffici peac violent provis prefer proport and keep final goal protect peac and human digniti exactli read that sentenc degre that mean death penalti and militari oper suffici peac violent provis prefer don that for murder crimin peac church unit state feel reason that cathol church oppos execut thi countri recent memori shown thi excerpt church teach capit punish remain todai past total accord sentiment that not disagre us deadli forc case for thi option justifi justifi you state explicitli catech justifi case peac sinc that not appli thi countri logic conclus base your premis that oppos form capit punish america opinion mike walker univ illinoi
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu mserv mozart iup edu mail server write can that vers not address issu coupl not requir incred pervers interpret order condemn homosexu care comment fact that fornic will not inherit kingdom god thi appli homosexu understand fornic sex marriag thi accur definit such thing sex marriag bibl understand that testament bless sexual intercours husband and wife will listen scriptur evid contrari thing thi liter forbid women speak church paul led holi spirit human and err find interest that christ never discuss issu homosexu exist back and transgress christ condemn find disturb that modern church spend energi stamp that christ didn worth singl word condemn christ repeatedli warn judgement don risk judgement equal measur condemn peopl god not judg walk earth love christ contagi not that reader fact advoc forbid women speak church thi issu discuss past and not interest redo clh
soc.religion.christian	hate sin scott prism gatech edu scott holt write hate sin love sinner heard that quit bit recent context discuss christian and homosexu context isn that import question whether that statement consist christian not hate beget hate never love sin leav unnam sinc don want thi digress into argument whether not sin let appli hate sin philosophi and happen hate sin stronger hatr will becom eventu thi hate becom strong that becom disgust sinner and eventu come hate sinner addit hatr sin and that assumpt your part your proof that will degener into hate sinner hate sin remind civil right movement america true that individu hate propon racism true that individu hate segreg and discrimin heart and never degener into hate individu practic king messag thi love individu love individu transform into friend thi not hatr for segreg hatr for injustic summari law christ command love god and love neighbor doesn hate fact command save critic for ourselv christian suppos deal sin suppos that deal sin ourselv prayer god sin and love love can conquer sin hatr place love prai for john baptist practic love critic jewish leader dai jesu practic love threw moneychang templ distas for sin order fight ourselv readi for call god call sin name jesu love call sin name true that love for guid step walk true that sometim love for god call stand for truth competit law jungl cooper law civil eldridg cleaver sherman cox scox uahc uah edu
soc.religion.christian	satan kick heaven biblic ask biblic support for imag satan fallen angel rev and enoch cite clh vers luke that jesu satan fall heaven that don bibl front quot directli pretti obviou refer satan expuls justin refer luke context passag make that jesu refer satan defeat jesu mission previou fall heaven clh
soc.religion.christian	thi ethic publish rocki mountain new guess real ethic problem practic thi church understand that baptism overrid factor understand that thi not honest proce thi typic congreg second come perceiv approach real element dispar thi make happen cost style theologi trust lord fit into thi equat baptism draw parent ir children church carniv spring told kill bee sting didn submit religi rite dick foster rocki mountain new southern bureau colorado spring outrag parent children lure church carniv and baptix permiss baptist minist doxen children young year and unaccompani parent thought carniv cornerston baptist church big water fight free balloon squirt gun and candi that carniv children whisk into room for religi instruct and told baptiz case consent famili not baptist faith baptism church anger parent includ paulett lamontagn methodist and mother twin year girl baptiz knowledg consent understnad carniv feel that fals pretens lamontagn daughter minist told kill bee sting not baptiz cornerston church offici defend action instruct word god and god command baptiz convert can show passag bibl that parent permiss requir child baptiz dan irwin associ pastor cornerston baptist church church offici not parent children baptiz didn irwin parent felt simpli send children carniv invit children friend member cornerston church polic chhurch offici had broken law baptiz children parent pursu civil action aren behavior condemn hari krishna and cult issu complex newspap account mention not that parent consent absolut requir thi extrem difficult clear command obei parent older child insist baptiz parent consent will thi step and warrant care discuss problem find not parent consent that consent whether you infant baptism not baptism suppos sign entri into christian commun isn commit whether parent child and intent becom part church baptism appear lie like rais practic problem child baptist tradit reach ag decis expect make decis and baptiz church claim baptist church rebapt answer good not rob experi that signific faith clh
soc.religion.christian	hate sin scott prism gatech edu scott holt subject hate sin date gmt hate sin love sinner heard that quit bit recent question whether that statement consist christian not hate beget hate never love you question whether not hate sin consist christian you scriptur roman love hypocrisi hate evil cling good that paul inspir holi spirit call hate god call that eventu lead hate fellow man command opposit love your fellow man sin let appli hate sin philosophi and happen hate sin stronger hatr will becom eventu thi hate becom strong that becom disgust sinner and eventu come hate sinner that not experi not found hate result hate sin that life sinner find compass for person jesu sinc bibl teach that tempt that compass tempt and fall jesu exampl hate sin love sinner account woman caught adulteri john jesu had compass woman call leav life sin thi mean love sinner hate sin mean love uncondition time call leav sin addit hatr sin and thing person sinner not even sin blame for thi can not laid feet christian and guilti take offens point sin and call repent not unlov for christian call sin fact love thing that that person love want spare consequ remain sin thi sinner begin hate don love for constant critic behavior hate build and drive peopl god thi cannot good build love don that you can lai blame for thi feet christian love jesu love sinner exemplifi john and sinner hate for can will extend perfect express love and will reject hate sin forget love sinner will ourselv sin summari law christ command love god and love neighbor doesn hate encourag you word studi hate testament that you will surpris fact command save critic for ourselv critic call sinner repent hope thi help christ toni balsamo name antonio balsamo compani digit equip corp shrewsburi mass work mail balsamo stargl enet dec
soc.religion.christian	definit christian articl atho rutger edu autri magellan stloui sgi larri autri write subject definit christian definit ti directli that triniti and cathol church definit and belief jesu christ not suffici call christian common definit christian basic definit that us belief that jesu god incarn belief that jesu crucifi and rais dead for salvat accept jesu person lord and savior thi includ christian denomin exclud unitarian sarima teradata tdatirv sarima stanlei friesen elsegundoca ncr
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept quot remov name not clear name level quot clh and holi mari virgin invari ad for that holi woman remain undefil epiphanu salami panacea heresi for lord jesu not chosen born virgin had judg that incontin taint birthplac bodi lord home etern king seed human intercours pope siriciu letter anysiu bishop thessalonica basi exampl that joe moor wrong claim augustin prime mover sin sex view quot equat sexual defil and incontin even marriag relationship not appli mari marriag joseph joe assign reason concept perpetu virgin mari support quot sarima teradata tdatirv sarima stanlei friesen elsegundoca ncr
soc.religion.christian	vers divis wonder answer trivial question think process us divid bibl into vers jerom divid testament never discuss thi arbitrari oppos for exampl make each sentenc vers
soc.religion.christian	hate sin scott prism gatech edu scott holt write hate sin love sinner heard that quit bit recent question whether that statement consist christian not hate beget hate never love summari law christ command love god and love neighbor doesn hate fact command save critic for ourselv scott dislik phrase hate sin love sinner definit articl part problem sinc give licens fixat brother peculiar pecadillo manag escap common grace hered econom situat cultur outrag evil cheap shot that don scott adequ explor flip side thi coin love righteous beatitud jesu bless hunger and thirst for righteous testament never behav activ desir and work for good that sens imposs remain dispassion evil and victim even accomplic mourn sin love sinner catch idea slightli hate slightli sinc grief impli passiv powerless posit balanc christian respons grief love and carefulli measur construct anger jesu european pietist wwii respons nazi atroc devoid anger not fare role model love grief exemplifi sister actress york and christian year back jack long time profession friend and benefactor di aid impoverish medic bill estrang famili and abandon surviv friend sister and brother law end grief jack death sister found quit target for anger callou bureaucraci rigid protect moral jack famili inertia christian respons aid and even jack laps moral that eventu cost life jack share that last anger brought strong christian valu contrit dallianc promiscu sex long aid appear impli moral judgement jack innat sexual orient hardest job make anger construct van kelli vek research att
soc.religion.christian	knight columbu initi ceremoni for knight ou almost secret that for mafia phase init and secret dale idqm indyvax iupui edu
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl geneva rutger edu djohnson ucsd edu darin johnson write import gai christian sex christian christian hope will forgo sex complet order avoid stumbl block avoid chanc that interpret wrong etc not not heterosexu abstain time nice protest church had celib order show world that sex not import thing life biblic argument homosexu weak christ quit clear oblig poor christian can demand celibaci homosexu walk homeless peopl and ignor plea for christ quit clear oblig poor thought for dai mat and beholdest thou mote that thy brother ey considerest not beam that thine ey wilt thou thy brother pull mote thine ey and behold beam thine ey love christ contagi mat woe you scribe and pharise hypocrit for white sepulchr beauti outward full dead men bone and unclean
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl geneva rutger edu noy midwai uchicago edu write that import thing that wrote and testament passag cite not that scientif evid support that homosexu partli inher complet learn thi mean that extent great extent homosexu cannot choos feel basic concept christian moral that defect appetit due origin sin not homosexu not entitl indulg behavior bodi want clear distinct homosexu behavior wrong and homosexu orient not sin misfortun email repli respond thi public forum michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	ero lxx conclud lexicograph note thi direct bibl studi begun read sinc earlier note post thi forum will conclud week ago manag find time consult septuagint concord and lxx text apparatu librari and can usefulli conclud greek word for love us christian background septuagint translat jewish scriptur princip result that cluster verbal noun erao erast mean lover thi cluster occur expect propeth imag and accus israel faithless spous yhwh vers question hosea jeremiah lament and ezekiel and hosea origin thi usag jeremiah and ezekiel pick lament depend not like written jeremiah erot mean allegor us not liter evid english you complement phrase art word lover overton sexual relationship surpris worthwhil that standard greek usag show translat hebrew interestingli and confirm guess that koin usag avoid verb erao homonymi ero eromai error codex vaticanu valuabl wit form erao us complet absurd context samuel mean addit and mention proverb esther verb natur applic kai rasth basileu esth and king love esther and interestingli samuel suppli modest degre support gai apprais relationship david and jonathan kai nathan huio saoul reito ton dauid sphodra and jonathan saul son love david intens bracket for subscript don reason ascii convent for relev thi gai issu not implicit histor fact that quasi offici translat hebrew text hellenist period make bone erot verb thi context quit gener usag agapao for erot sens thi not mean agapao alon mean disambigu relationship thi translat michael siemon you god son ml panix high you nevertheless you die men and fall ml ulyss att princ psalm
soc.religion.christian	earthquak predict articl atho rutger edu dan ingr rose aros write heart that citi portland oregon countri unit state america will hit catastroph and disastr earthquak that thi not come pass surpris surpris didn lose sleep and live mistak thi area costli and danger for greatest fear thi area god call prophet and misrepres god word call lost forev god word command peopl never listen fear word fals prophet bridg burnt forev perhap repent and save never prophet god suppos that that return death glori and power fly cloud host heaven lifetim stand and year such event assert god question that fals propheci you talk that make speaker fals prophet speak directli lord you declar sayeth lord for shadow doubt that correct spiritu condit and relationship lord receiv such propheci and absolut tiniest shadow doubt that possibl misl imagin hope gain recognit misl wile devil and follow uhh occur you that thing for tiniest shadow doubt that peopl thought delud check opinion can check extern realiti assert that belief entertain evid even despit evid special virtu faith luck and thi result time that christian give exampl honesti that stand contrast thi backdrop falsehood sayeth lord happen prai prayer answer prai christian mean dan you want demonstr christian honesti great start propheci can conclud speaker max
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian darin johnson djohnson ucsd edu wrote import gai christian sex christian christian hope will forgo sex complet order avoid stumbl block avoid chanc that interpret wrong etc not not heterosexu abstain time nice protest church had celib order show world that sex not import thing life differ that straight member choic abstain not and celibaci recogn gift gai told that condit accept celib don that god forc choic relationship god and express heterosexu context faith relationship that god that forc choic gai sex christian fals dichotomi truth gai church remind lot henri viii start church england order divorc thi myth note that not deni that gai christian christian for part gai church remind black start church not allow white church special restrict that not appli white member revdak netcom
soc.religion.christian	odb catchi sai quot daili bread daili bread devot for spiritu growth can spend ten fifteen minut read daili portion scriptur and relat short articl that bring scriptur aliv appli todai societi end bottom thi articl collect sai daili bread ministri servic provid resourc for biblic commun free receiv literatur write and for contact address list below write radio bibl class copyright radio bibl class grand rapid michigan canada box windsor ontario australia box ryde nsw europ box carnforth lanc england africa box manzini swaziland africa pmb jo nigeria philippin box greenhil metro manila sai relat scriptur decemb januari februari issu daili bread god save sin forgiven forgotten forev roman life christ difficult hopeless ecclesiast sin cover that eventu bring psalm you not readi live you readi die act trust god power prevent panic isaiah bibl record man compet ruin sin and god compt remedi christ barnhous timothi jesu can chang foulest sinner into finest saint ephesian wit wit live act god dwell man that man dwell god philippian hurt person help hand not accus finger psalm you decid jesu determin your destini john sinner expect sinner come savior roman know that god see bring convict and cofid job god chasten not cruel correct hebrew you that good give god psalm man greatest goal give glori god peter god love love roman bread life can satisfi man spiritu hunger john conscienc can compass word god chart timothi salvat free you receiv isaiah not spiritu not spiritu timonti circumst not make man reveal made matthew make room for jesu your heart and will make room for you heaven matthew heaven choir sing heaven king save luke god highest gift awaken man deepest gratitud luke serv lord invest that pai etern dividend peter time misspent not live lost psalm measur love measur sacrific peter god requir faith god reward fruit luke you spend time determin you spend etern psalm you aim for noth you hit daniel christian futur bright promis god psalm christ savior bring peac god christ lord bring peac god colossian sampl word god never acquir tast for psalm drink water life will thirst forev revel hyprocrit person not sundai daniel life long short complet depend live for ecclesi god love you and love each corinthian quit genesi charact build thi world carri into matthew god send trial not impair improv corinthian marriag holi wedlock unholi deadlock corinthian adopt god grace adapt god us galatian children watch speak louder proverb union christ basi for uniti believ psalm your life that crowd christ your heart roman don bear tomorrow burden todai grace matthew prai depend god work depend you king convict noth prejudic galatian you veliev you will not understand augustin hebrew christ heaven path detour doom corinthian christian noth christian noth john buri seed god bring harvest isaiah textur etern woven loom time ecclesiast not god us corinthian avoid ly noth that conceal act god transform trial into bless surround love and grace chronicl confess your sin substitut for forsak psalm you shoot arrow envi you philippian vision etern doesn time ephesian abandon god will never abandon god psalm danger can come christian that god not nearer psalm man lai life lai fortun matthew god grace infinit love express infinit good philippian great thing for christ thing for roman you rob you you meant roman don pretend you don intend matthew meet god trial get psalm sinner escap god judgement god peopl point matthew not sin angri you angri sin john prepar for dark learn prai light samuel christian not thing thing ephesian truth and bewar lie and not care jeremiah true servant not live for genesi earthli good heav mine philippian good marriag requir determin marri for good genesi you for give your life gave life for you corinthian noth left god discov that god psalm god inth dark sure light peter peopl spend life complaint counter thessalonian creation man can god genesi reward end life life that never end ecclesi mark fed soul read bibl joshua god give proverb never earli receiv christ moment late luke god grace pace face corinthian come togeth begin keep togeth progress work togeth success corinthian give god burden song psalm thing you fear and death fear emerson corinthian conquer enemi strategi love matthew loneli unawar christian stai mind christ develop wonder calmplex
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu gchin ssf eng sun write that life death and resurrect jesu christ central christian you person that jesu christ di for you you part christian bodi believ human don homosexu heterosexu strive follow jesu world dy and hear jesu christ you work togeth christian spread gospel salut gari chin for speak gospel sourc life will follow exampl and accept prioriti christ command that weightier matter law justic and merci and good faith brother sister christ and will attend such person humil and chariti not end agre sibl don can talk michael siemon you god son ml panix high you nevertheless you die men and fall ml ulyss att princ psalm
soc.religion.christian	homosexu stop read homosexu post for repeat seemingli person attack post mail mail specif comment suggest and note that not name call etc that for read send mail copi file mention moder ragard exerget issu attempt ftp unabl christ love bryan
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soc.religion.christian	mormon templ dhammer pacif david hammerslag write thi paragraph brought mind question you mormon reconcil idea etern marriag christ statement that ressurect peopl will marri marriag luke chapt short answer marriag record heaven for long answer doctrin and coven section chapter discuss etern marriag and plural marriag distinct seal priesthood and marriag reveal children thi world marri marriag receiv resurrect dead marri marriag luke jesu simpli teach that marriag death you part not forc death doctrin and coven continu describ etern marriag and verili you man marri wife word law and and everlast coven and seal holi spirit promis anoint thi power and kei thi priesthood shorten for breviti and full forc world and pass angel and god set exhalt and glori thing hath seal head glori ful and continu seed forev and lord told peter whatsoev thou shalt bind earth bound heaven matt you doubt that peter power perform seal peter thought taught that husband and wive heir togeth grace life peter order obtain highest degre celesti glori man enter into thi order priesthood man and wife seal becom flesh etern increas destini enjoin complet father etern companion and plural marriag condit law particip creation and equal concern progress scriptur basi for thi doctrin fact mention mother vers hymn written earli histori church father had learn call thee father thy spirit high kei knowledg restor knew not heav parent singl thought make reason stare truth reason truth etern tell mother don hear mother father presid priesthood author not call for don necessarili mother confus for worship father wish withhold name and titl peopl degrad sacr thing idler
soc.religion.christian	jame and sirach thursdai dave davi write lean sirach directli referenc jame job ruth vers you mention chapter and vers sirach and jame job taketh wise crafti quot corinthian jame you heard patienc job not quot impli that jame and listen familiar stori man name job exhibit exemplari patienc that stori not that found hebrew bibl anoth similar and relat stori problem direct quot matthew boaz begat ob ruth tell that matthew knew stori woman name ruth marri man call boaz and ancestor david sinc ruth not mention book ruth like that matthew familiar book and respect and thought ruth import women mention genealog refer thi not prove that writer consid sourc inspir inerr canon direct quot jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	certainti canon fridai marti helgesen wrote public revel basi cathol doctrin end death john last apostl noth can ad pope declar that depart christian heaven and invok public rite church understand that roman cathol that such declar pope infal possibl church receiv public revel sinc death for exampl joan arc church list death john had joan name public revel joan and roman cathol free doubt that di state grace even that histor charact jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	paul thorn side joe moor write paul repeatedli talk thorn side refer lust pride thorn appar not compat christian that make epistl paul mention thorn skolop sharp stake corinthian and elat abund revel thorn flesh messeng satan harass elat time besought lord thi that leav grace suffici for you for power made perfectr weak not explain not moral problem guess that paul had disord ey ordinarili dictat letter and ad person note and signatur end letter galatian write larg letter hand long letter written hand translat adopt that paul not write small script practic writer need make letter larger and thi suggest ey problem galatian you that bodili ailment that preach gospel you and condit trial you you not scorn despis receiv angel god for bear you wit that you pluck your ey and perhap thi last line mean simpli you for not withhold your preciou possess your ey that case expect word had need sound bodili ailment connect ey william barclai volum act make specif suggest paul preach highland galatia had preach coastal area asia minor had had malari attack doctor advis leav low countri and head for hill malaria sever headach and blur vision jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	word and hear christian due evangalist natur wit spread gospel etc want becom christian twenti word zero and will peac plastic had discuss evid recent that respond email clh
soc.religion.christian	mormon belief children born wedlock articl geneva rutger edu aaronc athena mit edu aaron bryce cardena write bruce webster write ld doctrin step and case hold parent respons for children sin fail bring properli bruce you reconcil thi practic ezekiel ezekiel soul sin will die son will not share guilt father will father share guilt son righteous righteou man will credit and wicked wick will charg parent held account for sin specif account for failur teach children properli fail teach children that steal wrong respons for theft indulg such behavior thi similar instruct ezekiel ez ezekiel fail duti and warn wick not wick die sin lord hold ezekiel respons similarli parent respons teach children wrong suspect christian and jew etc agre that parent thi respons
soc.religion.christian	daili vers word christ dwell you richli you teach and admonish anoth wisdom and you sing psalm hymn and spiritu song gratitud your heart god colossian remind vers intern version translat faith origin hebrew and greek vari time time vers sound occasion compar anoth translat origin text you god bless you chuck petch
soc.religion.christian	dream and bodi incid sinc kid and learn dream us dream for fantasi work problem dream yell mom machin gun zombi not mention myriad sexual fantasi deliber thing that never real life understand control thought felt that dream format free moral ethic physic law sometim wake bathroom thi incorrect attitud weaken inhibit argu that thing system experienc dream analyz dream can determin problem situat dream will exager that can contempl and bother not can that peopl don silli attach moral signific dream that thi bodi experi never had contradict chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	reason and homophobia thi troubl for long time and dealt long articl individu thi newsgroup scriptur homosexu homophob will that gai and lesbian peopl engag love voluntari erot relat each aren even mention bibl thi frighten not homophob sens intellectu written homosexu church interpret homophob thi can disagr interpret bibl and reject homosexu act not tantamount homophobia ted kalivoda tedr athena uga edu univers georgia athen institut higher
soc.religion.christian	peter articl geneva rutger edu jek nih gov write sens statement anoth subject privat interpret reliabl historian that athenian lost pelopennesian war cannot simpli interpret thi want athenian win fact fact and not want anoth sens statement subject privat interpret that depend brain and experei decid mean and whether suffici attest merit assent even statement occur inspir write decid judgement whether fact inspir thi not arrog inescap fact two sens interpret and decis accept scriptur inspir ultim rest privat opinion read scriptur rememb that scriptur god for instruct and that interpret that matter god intend for exampl decid that fact that john baptist elijah teach doctrin reincarn wrong that not intend interpret prophet didn make thi teach god and accept such thi necessarili mean that privat interpret back seat mean god intend convei reli effort determin thi mean thi fact make recogn that privat interpret cannot automat accept infal interpret god test spirit god holi spirit speak thing won that passag mean thing and you mean anoth two come conflict conclus can complet interpret reliabl church agre scriptur mean thi doctrin triniti dual natur christ etc infal matter not for privat interpret thi reason peter talk decept fals teacher prefer privat interpret god teach apostl such privat interpret that tradit men soundli denounc scriptur start toni
soc.religion.christian	homosexu immor religi argument thi crosspost zillion group don intend carri entir discuss crosspost alt sex motiv fun argument thought reader interest discuss clh intend endeavor make argument that homosexu immor practic lifestyl you call intend show that basi for ration declar thi statement intend show that such declar can made religi justif for moral fact show that such standard can made atheist join fun take side that can make claim that homosexu not immor that collater moral valid practic free lot peopl don can ration base moral religion attach thi fun and figur thi and want and expos pun intend idea and peopl and idea stand not group interest thi discuss will post announc and think group doesn receiv alt sex and make except usual polici and set mail list automat distribut digest format receiv us that main forum for thi except usual polici that charg for thi for durat servic will charg address reachabl internet bitnet decid start thi dialog realiz larger audienc usenet internet smaller bb network give side time work scream anger thi will begin mondai give peopl want make respons time identifi anonym post accept sinc peopl not identifi side free thi interest abort debat
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl geneva rutger edu revdak netcom andrew kill write issu discern that satan convinc that god that god god peter teach don that god show partial nation fear and accept act revdak netcom fine point thi entir discuss that conserv reform christian thi start argument isn thi idea that homosexu fairli thi centuri support for thi viabl viewpoint thi centuri don don that homosexu accept your scriptur quotat doesn work for jeff adam
soc.religion.christian	christian and repeat live articl atho rutger edu athmail qub write singl angl bracket jesu talk apostl and pharise that messiah can come elijah come jesu repli that elijah come not recogn that apostl perceiv that referi john baptist thi impli reincarn thi popular belief judaism jesu time that elijah return had heaven chariot and not die jesu refer john baptist not sens that elijah reincarn john rememb elijah didn die that john similar prophet elijah question similar jesu indic john passag matthew direct luke report angel gabriel prophesi that john will christ power and spirit elia matthew jesu john and you care accept elijah come interest that jesu prepend word you care accept that implic thi truth rein carnat will not forc you for can accept jewish poster newsgroup jewish esoteric and topic outlin esoter cabbalist jewish teach reincarn and karma teach that jew todai appar widespread israel that hannah hurnard hind feet high place told rabbi convert back missionari palestin small number jew knew thi larg number peopl not statement jesu john greatest human person testament guard nevertheless quit direct subject reincarn anoth not subject testament fate gener human death and last judgement occasion indic that point for popular belief that elijah come popular belief jesu confirm place and never correct expect elijah for exampl thought that jesu gerri palo compuserv
soc.religion.christian	jacob and esau reincarn articl atho rutger edu jek nih gov write gerri palo wrote that noth christian that exclud theori success live wrote that apostl paul roman speak god choos jacob esau and add that thi not result that child had sinc had not born paul not that had had previou live suppos that reader will for had had previou live not make sens good bad sinc not born paul statement assert that that choic not matter karmic fulfil past fate man born blind john not question simplist idea karma machin that sole determin destini even eastern tradit not that knowledg poster point and fact that paul not reincarn not anoth even john baptist jesu emphat elijah matt not awar point ask interest that threefold denial question whether christ prophet isaiah elijah emphat case and weak add onc that import discuss passag that point directli teach repeat earth live anoth import time that subject revisit term larger view christian and christian doctrin for part accept reject central idea christian christian hold convict kind separ treasur that christian import understand bring bear and vice versa that central christian take dimens mean light repeat earth live direct bear issu frequent discuss thi newsgroup openli that develop view repeat earth live larg work rudolf steiner not that hold author pictur christian becom clearer light idea steiner that conscious reincar nation necessarili had fade that renew time time develop christ idea two millenia christ deed golgotha time becom import that receiv basic gospel salvat understand life and human can grow embrac signific thi idea for discuss thi newsgroup focu that can relat directli scriptur and fundament christian teach and tradit gerri palo compuserv
soc.religion.christian	tongu read person interest tongu question invit perus essai mine obtain send messag tongu notran listserv asuacad bitnet listserv asuvm inr asu edu jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin crep lateran uc indiana edu stephen crep write summar you accus origin poster not forbidden bibl that prove cannot disproven true you absolut read realiz that misunderstood apolog for question slaveri disagre slaveri time slaveri indentur servant not expect paul hint slave
soc.religion.christian	hyslop and two babylon articl geneva rutger edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write two babylon brought time for respond onc and that thi book junk noth that anti cathol tract sort publish sinc protest scholarship phoni and assert spuriou not thi book had peopl quot support tendenti assert make becom curiou don want malign thi hislop fellow heard argument second hand argument turn fals etymolog that deriv hislop interest know thing claim that word church deriv greek cyclo and that relat worship circ don hislop sourc thi assert base fals etymolog second claim etymolog relationship ishtar and easter even fanci and fetch wilder notion british israelit find easter deriv english name for april eosturmonath vener bede mention that thi associ goddess call eostr apart that refer not find that term easter us english and evangel german for exampl us term ostern germani evangel english missionari interest evid easter us for pascha peopl not kind connect ancient anglo saxon and offshoot such evid support claim deriv theori hislop steve hay depart missiolog editori depart univ south africa box pretoria south africa internet hayesstw risc unisa fidonet steve hay fidonet org faq missiolog studi christian mission and part faculti theologi unisa
soc.religion.christian	quit smoke girlfriend smoker addict for quit time coupl time back background christian interest christian christian and smoker collect person stori christian manag quit hope that thi will encourag had similar problem good book pl repli email kind help lot simon darjadi wibowo telp dept nat univ pore fax singapor internet eledw nuscc nu
soc.religion.christian	boston moder articl geneva rutger edu rick granberri pt mot rick granberri write below won quot error articl not thing that differ opinion writer plain fact confus for exampl kip mckean ask come lexington church leader brought team had charleston that point had friend even leader gainesvil tell not peopl northeast weren open and wast time and talent thi fact kind insid joke point church boston not open point point not posit thing articl want point that contain misinform mark mark wuest opinion not mdw violin att sun mailtool mdw trumpet att mail
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian michael michael siemon ml panix write michael kind interpret incred pervers michael that appli stori sodom blanket michael equat homosexu behavior and rape sinc christian michael cite bibl such context presum michael read stori amount slander charg michael that homosexu rape us that and michael michael wrong slightli incendiari michael secondari argument phobic conting equat michael homosexu such behavior equat michael rape god messeng review sodom and gomorrah stori briefli state that visitor angel men part citi sodom young and surround hous call lot men you tonight bring that can sex for rest stori angel refer men sodom and lot men gen that lord had found sodom guilti grievou sin angel visit citi clear that grievou sin sodom and gomorrah involv homosexu sex appear that men had becom inflam lust that had group orgi public squar simpli extrem deprav not show that lesser degre homosexu not sin michael ultim understand god will for sexual come creation stori not sole stori sodom and gomorrah creat male and femal and institut marriag relationship male and femal man will leav father and mother and unit wife and will becom flesh thi marriag relationship sexual relationship god bless and sanction regul and protect marriag man and woman and even pictur relationship and church find not word bless regul for sexual relationship two men two women that find bibl sexual deriv express god will institut and bless marriag levit code jew forbad incest homosexu bestial ten command forbad adulteri and covet neighbor wife command forbad rape men sodom and gomorrah regard sexual immor and pervers jude abandon and pollut marriag relationship paul regard homosexu unnatur roman not thi simpli paul opinion contrari god purpos creat male and femal michael christian doubt sincer show michael and corner usenet and world and michael spout vers michael never thought never even read total michael ignor issu rais slander vilest michael charg child abus perfervid mind can michael manag conjur toss red her michael suppos great emot forc reader dismiss michael wit even take troubl find michael you respons slander slander david wagner dai sure draw confession lutheran god son annoint great majesti judg appoint mirth and laughter ceas flame flame will increas scriptur teacheth ist gewisslich der zeit bartholomaeu ringwaldt
soc.religion.christian	hyslop and two babylon articl geneva rutger edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write two babylon brought scholarship phoni and assert spuriou wingat you dig charl hislop scholarship accept bristish orient institut time premer institut for orient studi state and check refer print privat librari and like wilkerson and layard hold merit conclus and you will troubl you will find that knowledg mysteri surpass highli honor british orient museum wilkerson lead archeologist histori egyptiolog and layard refer two yr archeolog mesopotamian region recent refer time articl babylonian archeolog phoni scholarship you review refer and find that misquot misrepres conclus hislop not conclus not tickl ear that evid assert that conclus spuriou merit gave refer conclus and state for last year us conclus debat seminari and brotherhood not mention individu priest and bishop that talk counter hislop scholarship made rebutt conclus total undermin claim rcc show that intitut rcc base mysteri shown even thi dai articl and topic tongu movement corinth direct result mysteri enter into church corinth not influenc rome citi hill you not listen conclus you can draw your conclus custom artifact cerimoni dress docrin purgatori etc vantag mysteri you don even believ parallel exampl mitr come shape two tail that hang back repres thi ancient head dress earlier cultur and rome time begin church state rome pagan histori and rcc chose lai person middl eastern religion can answer question even scriptur refer hislop collect inform sourc and put bind lack scholorship that you discredit thi man your accus present evid support rex
soc.religion.christian	athiest and hell articl geneva rutger edu rexlex fnal fnal gov write articl atho rutger edu ptrei bistromath mitr org peter trei write articl atho rutger edu rexlex fnal fnal gov write delet point todai mason note that worship osiri egypt delet bug thi kind nonsens reason evid link masonri ancient egypt even that exist prior late centuri and noth definit cut rex rambl bit you not past your level you read wilkinson egyptian and show thi egyptian religion parallel british masonri man thi laboratori degre black mason talk public side motorcyl mania and children hospit and priviat side that highest degre mason learn rex liter hundr thousand degre mason thi countri and thousand rd nasti stuff don you you coupl disgruntl member expos heck you true rev norman vincent peal osiri worship long quot name hislop sourc not delet attempt extract relev point osiri nimrod babylonian deiti admit that secret system free masonri origin found mysteri egyptian isi goddess mother wife osiri babylonian nimrod and osiri connect build trade masonri nimrod son cush negro isn thi refer biblic nimrod babylonian god tradit egypt record plutarch that osiri black long tradit masonri claim ancient lineag for order flimsiest ground thi date back constitut cite adam mason claim place masonri roman greek and egyptian and atlantean even book claim prove that stoneheng origin mason templ claim prove noth beef rex claim mason show leopard skin wore lodg represent osiri show wear leopard check thi tomb paint rememb don show thi interest that druid britian show hide thi represent worship spot cow can you give ancient citat for thi druid suppress year ago your point thi leopard skin busi sound bizarr not scottish rite contain higher degre anti mason excit and invent peopl and good christian that reject your claim stand statement masonri mysteri religion that find sourc babylon great harlot peter not mean cold slap face not slap face weari feel deja similar argument soc cultur african american evid contrari that masonri doesn find origin egypt mason person talk refer egypt origin don you read book mason histori such hamil craft you separ thi not year ago freeli admit honest you can come actual evid that masonri exist prior impress earlier pretti good rex peter trei ptrei mitr org disclaim not speak for employ
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl geneva rutger edu noy midwai uchicago edu write that import thing that wrote and testament passag cite not that scientif evid support that homosexu partli inher complet learn note that scientif evid thi area not prove conclus evid suggest that part homosexu brain heterosexu that prove notic that apostl not scientif evid link gene alcohol steal genet problem even scientif evid doubt stop commun teach holi spirit that thing sin thi remind convers professor mine true christian teach that not give inclin peopl give lean christian concept struggl flesh and bring into submiss person problem temper and murder heart anoth problem homosexu anoth inclin greed god offer opportun conquer sourc you can find thi inform homosexu behavior record monkei and anim suggest that inher learn that word unnatur shouldn appli prei manti bite head mate mate natur for woman thing husband bibl concern human moral and touch anim moral relat human link hudson
soc.religion.christian	teenag pick church parent don attend teenag freedom choos church friend teenag kid not church left sleep that not option complain that friend that don attempt make friend mention not respect sundai school teacher and find miss sundai school make church servic parent disgust add never end battl can ruin your dai you had thi problem and resolv
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl geneva rutger edu ml panix michael siemon write notic that vers forbid bestial immedi follow vers prohibit appear homosexu intercours absolut irrelev and incompar issu gai christian rais concern sexual activ commit consensu human adult realtionship that your bring relev law kashrut you cannot address actual issu you bloodi dishonest trail thi red her front world relev homosexu act and act beastial topic arang togeth law thi import want that thi command homosexu deal templ prostitut and you agre that proof for thi law reveal charact god and holi and good written testament commit homosexu act biggot address thi passag scriptur discuss scriptur that involv consensu human adult relationship isn that border sophistri point make that god not ordain kind sex act not bring scriptur us and emot argument that compar homosexu beastophil and child molestor issu deal that sex act ungodli not problem love nonlust relationship member sex and issu hand sin sex member sex lust forbidden sex act valid topic for convers and idea that relationship emot relationship adult human red her agre that for adult care relationship anoth link hudson
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl geneva rutger edu revdak netcom andrew kill write manifest spirit gentil that convinc peter act that prejudic base scriptur add not accord god intent point that command not eat fellowship gentil not found testament thi part hedg built law part peter tradit and not scriptur link hudson
soc.religion.christian	goedel ontolog proof fred gilham ask whether true that kurt goedel wrote version ontolog argument for exist god not publish will publish oxford univers press german and english translat volum due thi fall collect work meanwhil you can find summari perhap thing articl jordan howard sobel call goedel ontolog proof book and edit judith jarvi thompson publish mit press professor anthoni anderson philosophi depart univers minnesota written articl emend goedel ontolog proof appear magazin faith and philosophi discuss object that critic rais goedel proof and offer revis version proof that not vulner object jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian geneva rutger edu djohnson ucsd edu darin johnson write import gai christian sex christian afraid that question tendenti rephras import christian love god love human be conceiv answer that deepli suspici flavor christian elev claus great command prioriti such claim conflict true told dead buri dead hate famili christ dichotomi not love fellow and love god allow social construct blind presens god satan twist love god such manner becom excus treat level caught love god troubl come relat human love and human sex sometim case that church taught that sex nasti evil sin stuff man and wife leav parent home becom helpmat live flesh sex that vehicl flesh you doubt read paul wrong frequent prostitut provoc mean thi sexual bond deepli found aspect social interact and foundat institut marriag that unlik mammal human male remain and foster children beget and support children mother thi schema genesi and jesu citat that passag observ that not human male fact describ anoth thing that character human societi rais begotten children not orphan and adopte and product quit common infidel human spous thi not uniqu anim world full extent social consequ and implic intric for sometim wrong infect sin and you find marri coupl bond and peopl deliri addict initi stage sexual bond format infatu fall love phase that break form bond order step threshold deep uniti god prepar for and step back satan us sex handi tool corrupt human love eden creation that not natur and god grace power christ make thing not problem for christian vigil even christ devil watch prowl roar lion seek devour return origin question import straight christian sex christian paul tend that sex distract christian charit context expect parousia that hard task marri union lifelong build and adapt each undercut proper prepar for eschaton sinc not hour return act instant readi for that and commiti mate that propos long lifetim togeth and tell peopl not bond such perspect strike crippl second claus command love claim that saint capac deepli love sexual ting complic mind you fellow human be had deepli spiritu life marri union grow togeth flesh and that mean type case persist and continu sexual relationship human and good come mortifi flesh point pretend pretend not sexual be christian hope will forgo sex complet order avoid stumbl block depend context that context major hypocrisi part find stumbl block mind effac that can pontif sin peopl for life celibaci spritual gift and even victori troubl sexual urg that lead sin noth read demean such gift even rarer gift love for conspecif and for god creation that can develop full tutor spousal helpmat marriag found sex differ spiritu gift and penanc tell peopl that gift fraught manipul and disregard differ spiritu endow god person gift speak toungu anoth intepret toungu anoth propheci and anoth teach notion that gift requir earliest heresi michael siemon you god son ml panix high you nevertheless you die men and fall ml ulyss att princ psalm
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin crep lateran uc indiana edu stephen crep write your argument god wouldn thing that god doesn thing that never audac such thing argument that not understand
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write thi vers that sin observ top thi post mari had free sin order mother jesu sin mother jesu had sin order give birth god didn mari mother sin order give birth perfect vessel for jesu for that matter didn mari grandmoth sin that origin sin flow each person for last mari put god box that couldn incarn normal human god power god can suit purpos thi includ creat solar system and planet earth appear great ag provid path red sea for children israel that not depend exist ridg high ground and wind blow speed and direct and birth normal sin person taint origin sin focu object religion and not person relationship that believ author exist necess thi relationship channel conduit god form mari apostl and pope note that idea mari conceiv origin sin immacul concept distinct idea mari not sin lifetim separ doctrin and held cathol church mari born origin sin and didn sin lifetim jesu thi mean world had two perfect human di sin world gave birth want scriptur support for thi start prai god read bibl teach that jesu and sinless lamb god not mother grandmoth hope thi you help understand belief you bill irwin westrheim group vancouv canada uunet twg bill voic your comput bill twg fax system partner
soc.religion.christian	etern marriag hall vice ico tek hal lillywhit write articl atho rutger edu dhammer pacif david hammerslag write thi paragraph brought mind question you mormon reconcil idea etern marriag christ statement that ressurect peopl will marri marriag luke chapt delet jesu and clearest matthew and mark account that marriag will not perform resurrect thi belief that person marri thi earth delet problem thi view that topic discuss thi passag marriag that perform earth jesu word that regard respons answer question earthli marriag valid resurrect thi case straightforward interpret opinion that marriag not exist life rais natur wise jesu offer angel heaven contrast idea resurrect marri and marriag not angel natur somedai and earthli marriag will irrelev that jesu post resurrect valid marriag perform earth your mileag vari mark
soc.religion.christian	capit punish articl atho rutger edu prism gatech edu randal lee nichola mandock write safeti degre that mean death penalti and militari oper suffici peac violent provis prefer proport and keep final goal protect peac and human digniti for post exact word had not previous part quot disapprov capit punish us mean not suffici thi stronger restrict that capit punish useabl justifi case crime justifi death perhap thi testament interpret rever for life that oppos actual inflict death penalti testament interpret matter for debat whether death penalti work peac that violent provis not don and observ that usa you death penalti higher murder rate not matthew huntbach
soc.religion.christian	bernadett date jek nih gov write joe moor write mari that time appear girl name bernadett lourd refer immacul concept sinc year know doctrin apparit deem true and seal case for doctrin bernadett year had vision year dogma had offici proclaim pope jame kiefer forgot exactli ag rememb that born famili poverti and not educ whatsoev ag apparit suffer asthma that ag and and famili live abandon prison cell sort had ladi time apparit name sinc confessor priest ask for instanc priest not answer sinc bernadett not receiv time apparit pass ladi final immacul concept bernadett happi and repeat word and mind not forget told priest ask told priest priest shock and ask bernadett you you talk bernadett not exactli meant happi answer for priest priest continu you rememb thi you not bernadett answer honestli that had repeat and mind priest priest knew dogma year bernadett not and had answer priest final observ and proof authent person revel ladi bernadett note thi ladi lourd shrine spring water ladi request bernadett dig bare hand front pilgrim start water flow year water flow marida spread god word action mother teresa
soc.religion.christian	angel needl recal read that number bishop spent great deal time debat topic angel fit tip needl refer thi joe armstrong
soc.religion.christian	commit life god find god find difficult can hear god talk let that exist and and that and feel that can possibl talk don understand listen christian that opinion find god plung and commit your life and you will discov thi idea dive into total unknown bit frighten question you commit god you commit life you wouldn feel that listen couldn that had you commit oneself god commit thi forfeit current life can longer feel that good christian and uphold idea love your neighbour don round kill peopl steal etc and not jealou peopl and that standard treat peopl christian give commit involv burden take gener differ and assum that your birthdai you don suddenli feel year older won suddenli chang life dai commit happen can that thing can find last sentenc for your answer question perhap mail repli you ben benha castl janet benha castl year univers scotland
soc.religion.christian	mercuri refer fundamentalist christian parent articl atho rutger edu david bernard central sun dave bernard write david bernard central sun dave bernard subject mercuri refer fundamentalist christian parent date gmt articl atho rutger edu dan ingr rose aros write rais oakland and san lorenzo strict fundamentalist christian parent mason beaten child onc san jose mercuri new come articl start rais oakland mexican parent mason beaten face red anger injustic mexican famili member and fundamentalist evangel notic thi trend media short permiss bash fundamentalist substitu nation such mexican simpli substitut religion rais muslim parent rais jewish parent paper simpli not thi notic that newspap don even fundamentalist confus evangel and fundamentalist thi new group liber don even fundamentalist cry legalist believ and obei god word fundamentalist train children god proscrib not that man proscrib thi not includ life threaten beat includ corpor punish liber cry infidel not god word signatur follow your statut wonder obei psalm david hanson opinion express peopl fundamentalist suffici ill defin that advis specif term peopl us cover peopl inerr and number relat concept denial evolut origin fundament movement somewhat specif peopl accept inerr support origin agenda includ list kei tradit doctrin virgin birth term us press describ aggress conserv religion gener typic attempt legisl religion legal anoth ill defin term reason for us thi context fact common theolog definit that salvat law hope believ that conserv contributor hold thi view basic differ approach expect bibl conserv approach expect find specif behavior rule gener poster advoc thi approach talk relev passag paul letter god law liber approach expect find gener principl regard specif behavior rule subject chang depend cultur and thing easi liber regard conserv approach legal hard quit term us issu thi case not inerr that paul made factual error question whether statement law call posit answer legal obviou terminolog haven good altern clh
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu dp nasa kodak dan schaertel write articl atho rutger edu carlson larc nasa gov ann carlson write think gai and christian not compat check digniti integr light presbyterian church affirm mcc church etc meet gai christian find prai discuss scriptur and form your opinion you start your religion thi fine scriptur basi for your statement act john spirit god fact get heart problem you you scriptur your faith driven feel goodism and not word god you you learn ann carlson carlson larc nasa gov nasa langlei research center hampton
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian human don homosexu heterosexu strive follow jesu world dy and hear jesu christ gain entri into heaven cannot cleans blood jesu sin cannot dwell heaven natur law god convert christian mean baptiz holi spirit you cannot heaven good work union holi spirit man behavior will chang true union will not desir homosexu fornic and homosexu will leav your life you baptiz holi spirit not that don stumbl and
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept articl atho rutger edu seanna bnr seanna watson wrote quit problem idea that mari never commit sin mari fulli human for god miracul make person free origin sin and free commit sin life purpos incarn jesu can god repeat miracl for mari make rest sinless for repent and salvat and that mari fulli human that not impli that subject sin cathol doctrin that man natur good gen damag origin sin rom that case undamag origin sin mari fulli human rest you god cannot repeat miracl mari preserv origin sin phrase not that you misunderstand mari salvat obtain our bless virgin mari salvat obtain merit sacrific christ cross god not bound time creation god free appli sacrific time even that person live christ earth time bound perspect christ death and resurrect serv purpos and even for mari salvat steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept articl atho rutger edu seanna bnr seanna watson write articl atho rutger edu jhpb sarto budd lake joseph buehler write refer mari immacul conceiv and never subject origin sin never commit person sin life thi special degre grace grant god skip don object idea assumpt perpetu virgin regard cathol dogma will agre disagre cathol brother and sister christ and even virgin birth jesu thi concept mari sinless odd rest christian doctrin understand cathol church view mari christian church parallel belief notwithstand christ account sinless person live troubl sinless mari concept for relat issu origin sin adam and ev will answer for that children not answer for sin answer for mine larri autri silicon graphic loui autri sgi
soc.religion.christian	hail mari full grace articl atho rutger edu seanna bnr seanna watson write articl atho rutger edu jhpb sarto budd lake joseph buehler write refer mari immacul conceiv and never subject origin sin never commit person sin life thi special degre grace grant god quit problem idea that mari never commit sin mari fulli human for god miracul make person free origin sin and free commit sin life purpos incarn jesu can god repeat miracl for mari make rest sinless for repent and salvat and that don object idea assumpt perpetu virgin regard cathol dogma will agre disagre cathol brother and sister christ and even virgin birth jesu thi concept mari sinless odd rest christian doctrin understand you don agre joseph accur statement cathol dogma mari perpetu sinless you interpret luke and angel had come hail full grace lord thee bless art thou women and luke for behold henceforth gener call bless suppos that vers interpret mean that mari possess limit quantiti qualiti grace that full grace mean fill brim incap contain peopl abund grace soul exist heaven anoth cathol dogma base communion saint explain earlier post full grace mean sinless and sin life cannot sin sens mari sinless cathol find dogma tough embrac that cathol faith and prayer come into plai prai god strengthen will accept faith bride christ turn strengthen commun faith church and you faith christ church tantamount faith christ inasmuch church christ mystic bodi cathol natur two aspect faith christ person faith christ person redeem and commun faith church bodi christ randal lee nichola mandock catechist prism gatech edu you want check greek full grace translat singl word that simpli mean favor perhap liter grace full vestig specif translat you clh
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach andrew continu discuss deuterocanon articl geneva rutger edu revdak netcom andrew kill write poram ihlpb att wrote let talk principl accept that god set standard for includ scriptur can authorit authorit not qualiti write statement commun faith whether will accept write norm arguabl sinc author matter commun and recepi can that for exampl jesu lord whether world larg accept author not bibl can consid for authorit content whether not accept thi issu heart pilat pragmat question truth jesu lord brought jesu repli appeal author father you claim author repres statement lord bibl claim put across exact word god you fall into danger relativ your reject inher author and claim that li commun faith becom truth accept main thrust argument that godward direct manward refer rev prophet propheci defin speak god messag apocrypha sure qualifi narrow predict element will cut accept book nonetheless criteria for determin valid book jesu standard that scriptur cannot broken can you name singl propheci that fit bill apocrapha fulfil written authent standard authent function author histor accuraci subject ring truth and evid that come light contradict confirm authent archaeolog textual evid for exampl dynam thi suppos mean apocryph book highli dynam thought provok faith even excit thi get relationship text and reader qualiti write abil fire mind affect thought life and act thi jesu quot man not live bread alon word that proce mouth lord matt receiv collect read and us apocryph book receiv collect not read and us and cathol and orthodox church cathol church give author apocrapha accept book not wide us and count apocrapha fall short glori god thi demonstr fals you want revis your conclus addit sacr write koran book mormon and and you categoris principl word caution you find reflect glori book that inspir qualiti deriv bibl rememb that lucif quit capabl appear angel light and quot scriptur quot unger bibl dictionari apocrapha abound histor and geograph inaccuraci and anachron book bibl you think delet you view word warn hear word propheci thi book add god will add plagu describ thi book and take thi book propheci god will share tree life and holi citi rev sure thi set standard and not man made tradit word meant refer book revel alon not bodi scriptur revel accept late into canon church simpli not primari role kind identifi and limit scriptur lost point and context not argu that statement rev can appli indescrimin that accept reject idea not follow man made tradit act god involv select and criteria classifi scriptur and come definit tim revdak netcom barnei resson run and fro knowledg increas daniel
soc.religion.christian	bernadett date jek nih gov write joe moor write mari that time appear girl name bernadett lourd refer immacul concept sinc year know doctrin apparit deem true and seal case for doctrin bernadett year had vision year dogma had offici proclaim pope jame kiefer forgot exactli ag rememb that born famili poverti and not educ whatsoev ag apparit suffer asthma that ag and and famili live prison cell sort had ladi time apparit name sinc confessor priest ask for instanc priest not answer sinc bernadett not receiv time apparit pass ladi final immacul concept bernadett happi and repeat word and mind not forget told priest ask told priest priest shock and ask bernadett you you talk bernadett not exactli meant happi answer for priest priest continu you rememb thi you not bernadett answer honestli that had repeat and mind priest priest knew dogma year bernadett not and had answer priest final observ and proof authent person revel ladi bernadett note thi ladi lourd shrine spring water ladi request bernadett dig bare hand front pilgrim start water flow year water flow marida spread god word action mother teresa marida maridai ec comm mot
soc.religion.christian	dialog toni rose read thi want that select part reduct forc amdahl for that dialog wait letter save your letter floppi and will continu back net anoth account futur for geni network email address rose god bless and goodby you want continu dialog mail can contact toni rose jude mission box felton
soc.religion.christian	mari assumpt dave bernard david bernard central sun wrote elizabeth greet mari elizabeth effect that mari women bless appear that thi exactli place mari sanctif normal human phrase eulogemen gunaixin bless you women noth that thi except uniqu statu that woman mari bless ad word not fair read text good reason for church vener mari cannot depend thi vers revdak netcom
soc.religion.christian	boston church dear moder you add thi bcc faq case member boston church christ for support organ number bostonex burlington reader england interest seri new report bcc nightli new channel wcvb boston for dai start wed for viewer boston area telecast will air england cabl new channel
soc.religion.christian	marian apparit bless virgin mari appear catherin labour nun sister chariti juli rue bac pari sister catherin awaken late that night small boi ag liter glow sort interior light child led sanctuari chapel promis virgin mari found await ladi appear and instruct for two hour matter pertain life and futur franc and world novemb ladi appear catherin instruct medal struck told that wore thi medal enjoi special protect mother god and receiv great grace year apparit june medal realiti report receiv wore two year issu medal miracul medal catherin di bodi thi dai remark preserv incorrupt canon juli bodi li chapel motherhous rue bac had meet ladi apparit novemb averag height and cloth white veil that flow head and fell floor altar pyramid paint repres god know wisdom look ladi feet rest white globe and green serpent yellow spot that step hand golden ball that repres world great stream light issu hand and show catherin imag two heart sacr heart wrap pierc thorn and heart punctur sword sword repres suffer jesu apparit announc onset great battl and forewarn that dark era lai futur apparit lead recent ladi began dispens secret and globe reveal worldwid disput forc dark told catherin time evil misfortun will fall franc throne will overturn entir world will overcom evil kind refer book catherin for ladi messag copi medal cathol bookstor will post marian event dai includ happen todai investig post serv introduc you event into and understand reason for increas number and urgenc apparit mark ashlei disclaim opinion not harri marka gcx ssd csd harri lost lo angelino
soc.religion.christian	baptism requir faith aaronc athena mit edu aaron bryce cardena write troubl that post recent support doctrin origin sin thi primarili cathol doctrin purpos defend idea infant baptism you read ezekiel you will that god doesn hold guilti for sin can origin guilt adam thi neatli elimin for savior and prove that can save work alon origin sin for save ourselv not sin understand reason your argument lead sheer folli origin sin reason faith save alan terlep and scorpion oakland univers rochest natur atterlep vela ac oakland edu
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin eugen bigelow write noteworthi jesu attitud had argument pharise canon john and explain follow road emmau that law prophet and psalm refer divis scriptur luke luke take genesi chronicl jewish order genesi malachi scriptur you rememb that adam transgress men and women sin paul wrote human cooperativlei rebll god adma sin subject and sin transmit gener gener andi byler andi not write paragraph thi time word attribut can speak for rest human not cooper rebel
soc.religion.christian	mormon belief children born wedlock aaronc athena mit edu aaron bryce cardena write bruce webster write ld doctrin step and case hold parent respons for children sin fail bring properli note that thi passag appli member ld church includ kei vers not refer and inasmuch parent children zion stake organ that teach not understand doctrin repent faith christ son live god and baptism and gift holi ghost lai hand year sin head parent sin parent bruce you reconcil thi practic ezekiel ezekiel soul sin will die son will not share guilt father will father share guilt son righteous righteou man will credit and wicked wick will charg ezekiel not translat correctli your ey perhap ezekiel teach correct principl assum that father and son equal knowledg prepar for judgment parent respons teach children gospel and life skill fail make suffici attempt teach children parent held respons not for children sin for not teach properli whenev lord instal posit author famili church expect that person teach charg ezekiel call care for liken watchman hous israel thou dost not speak warn wick that man die iniqu blood will requir thine hand nevertheless thou warn wick turn not turn die iniqu thou hast deliv thy soul even prefac thi command parent children zion parent respons for teach children good principl understand ld parent accept greater responsbl and judg strictli idler
soc.religion.christian	mari assumpt david bernard central sun dave bernard write elizabeth greet mari elizabeth effect that mari women bless appear that thi exactli place mari sanctif normal human don thi logic follow true mari receiv bless grant histori human privileg mother savior noth mari need bless person order that therebi worthi bear son god problem that human can comprehend sinless incarn spring sin human flesh and god spirit simpli accept graciou miracl god dope mechan rational thi mari word spirit rejoic god savior for regard low estat handmaiden sound word human awar human savior similar david proclaim psalm not word holi for god grace apolog for harp thi don suppos import that mari and joseph and babi reduc placid seren figurin feel lose fact that god chose come you and born peopl you and share exist and redeem fallen holi incarn paul marxhausen univers nebraska lincoln grace happen
soc.religion.christian	arsenokoitai mean convict sin meta exeget methodolog essai articl atho rutger edu rexlex fnal fnal gov write can post onc will come piec meal and not daili forward read librari last week object view articl that appear last year sinc previou literatur fortun had move journal back issu didn articl hope find will continu reserv judgment arsenokoitai latest scholarli work and can hope that rexlex post give meat chew can point methodolog issu shown for conclud thi matter articl rexlex post address issu not you will perhap understand problem hard jame deyoung write abstractu thi studi argu that paul coin term arsenokoitai deriv lxx lev and for homosexu orient and behavior minor point make young contradict prior assert thi abstract that ancient analysi issu concern action and not orient doubt thi will bear articl such thought point start hypothesi young advanc that paul coin word and intend mean for refer levit law question rais confirm truth thi hypothesi and follow 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intent thi case that stipul young guess understand refer levit univers prohibit male male sex thi mind you context paul emphas congreg and assum corinthian explain cor and corinthian pull back overinterpret freedom applic torah law gentil convert consider that make implaus for paul coin word element archaic ars attic ionic form even classic alon koin time assimil arr thi impli that even need extern evid pin mean and usag paul invent word obsolet attic format and didn coin word pick list common term derog mean will for reader constrain that common mean sinc cannot emphas that paul not mean thi word and origin reader guess had contemporari context and paul had us thi word and explain great detail person trace evid that and suppos mere fantasi desper extern evid thi word and exception meagr that precis problem can equal plausibl hypothes word standard gutter term abus for specif gener homosexu male activ term abus us jew aw homosexu greek not conscious associ part leviticu passag paul 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paul humpti dumpti and and rest will us word wai that person choic and sometim leav reader puzzl that puzzlement lead you god bless lead paul word led peopl paul intens commun effort contriv mean soul regret consequ found paul fantast reliabl guid read larg can lai posit detail and hammer home time and time mean and cryptic passag such thi usual discurs great length intend meta exeget point need confirm that paul coin case meant word mean leviticu prohibit second point stipul thi hypo thesi and follow impli for initi reader and for christian verbos thi will tomorrow night medit michael siemon you god son ml panix high you nevertheless you die men and fall ml ulyss att princ psalm
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian ml panix michael siemon write articl atho rutger edu mserv mozart iup edu name mark write not deceiv fornic idol adulter effemin homosexu thiev covet drunkard revil swindler inherit kingdom god and such you cor moder adequ discuss circular your us porneia thi can agre paul that kind activ that name fornic theft covet revil drunken deserv condemn not agre bound categori and fact that argu suggest that not matter not clear that paul excel rhetorician had interest make clear leav matter spirit led decis uncomfort live read that domin christian discuss area fornic sex marriag abus sex not homosexu intercours context marriag isn unatur us god that homosexu grace god licens practic sin for person crept unnot long mark for thi condemn ungodli person turn grace god into licenti and deni master and lord jesu christ jude nasb defin god legitim marriag for thi man leav father and mother and cleav wife and becom flesh gen nasb and answer and you not read that creat begin made male and femal and for thi man leav father and mother and cleav wife and two becom flesh longer two flesh god join togeth man separ matt nasb immor each man wife and each woman husband husband fulfil duti wife and likewis wife husband corinthian nasb plenti law prohibit sexual behavior found leviticu christian ignor complet never even bother examin assum that moral and ritual new for you anthropolog sensit you ritual and clean unlcean categori aw lot societi buri pretti deep and cannot ground for distinguish bit leviticu ritual law christian feel appli disagre law that written leviticu look sin that for savior can understand not sin list levitc law hope that repent confront notic that vers forbid bestial immedi follow vers prohibit appear homosexu intercours thi almost slimei argument that homosexu rape argu can find joker defens bestial absolut irrelev and incompar issu gai christian rais concern sexual activ commit consensu human adult realtionship that your bring relev law kashrut you cannot address actual issu you bloodi dishonest trail thi red her front world you want address bestial that your busi not mine and attempt torpedo issu cultur ridicul joke show that you interest hear human be you want dismiss and us sleaziest mean you can notic that preceed vers you not approach woman uncov naked menstrual impur and you not intercours your neighbor wife defil leviticu nasb vers relev you not lie male li femal abomin leviticu nasb god tell israelit not practic such thing not defil thing for nation cast you becom defil for land becom defil visit punish land spew inhabit for you you statut and judgment and not abomin nativ alien sojourn you leviticu nasb lord listen dismiss homosexu love you don agre that you practic not sin you not repent your sin hate sin that your live hate sin that life christian hate sin that live confrontaion sin bring repent agre john that jesu repent for kingdom heaven hand matt you don agre that homosexu sin can you repent thi mean that you remain bondag repent and god will set you free love mike michael christensen trust lord your heart senior product support engin and not lean your procom technolog inc understand proverb nasb
soc.religion.christian	daili vers you will perfect peac mind steadfast trust you isaiah
soc.religion.christian	sleep aunt last time discuss homosexu ask whether identifi act homosexu intercours that bibl prohibit circumst bring appar harm put anoth question whether homosexu intercours act that christian suppos immor sole basi that god insight offer immor answer question form bibl interest respons base roman cathol theologi that can answer question link hudson point recent comment sleep aunt incest held immor societi that degre relationship marriag and intercous prohibit bibl except troubl that difficult relationship qualifi incestu societi differ defin incest genet reason sometim offer biblic case cannot dealt that can man sleep step mother assum that father dead and that marri thi case differ duti marri brother childless wife two case parallel bibl prohibit incestu marriag and homosexu marriag for reason perhap that god not good for and incap understand don bother write that homophob last time mind not made question you don whether homophob not you don call homophob know person express bigotri homophob remark stan armstrong religi studi dept saint mari univers halifax armstrong huski stmari att clyde watmath water dalc armstrng
soc.religion.christian	question hell articl atho rutger edu pwhite empro peter white write luke talk rich man and lazaru matthew talk etern fire prepar for devil and angel revel and refer thi fire place unbeliev thrown matthew talk thrown into etern fire and fire hell quit clear that thi place fire burn forev revel passag clear that devil and angel will torment forev matthew passag doesn abundantli clear whether punish unbeliev everlast sens final sens continu you miss import passag thess for for god repai afflict afflict you and give relief you afflict and lord jesu reveal heaven mighti angel flame fire deal retribut not god and not obei gospel lord jesu and will pai penalti etern destruct presenc lord and glori power come glorifi saint that dai and marvel believ for testimoni you believ thing note thi passag unbeliev openli reject gospel and not god etern destruct etern hope thi distruct primarili emphas that separ presenc god context speak advent speak raptur don confus two bibl not awar discuss specif hell gener hot unpleas and torment greater discript hell that heaven for instanc not discuss rich man can continu stai fire and feel discomfort pain whether point pain sens abil burn you can forgiv graphic you throw physic bodi into fire assum person start aliv fairli quick point nerv destroi and pain longer sens thi earthli fire that requir ga produc substanc ignit type fire express burn bush that not consum daniel acct show that law natur can interupt even earthli fire not state occur judgement unbeliev physic dead cast into hell you don understand will aliv end millenium will walk straight into gwtj even di sin will resurrect reunit physic bodi receiv condemn longer physic bodi can feel physic pain thi contrari teach scriptur sens continu that hell forev god lazaru rich man parabl told idea listen physic term order point that peopl won listen god even rise dead thi conjectur you support physic bodi thesi point parabl reach hard heart not listen fact resurrect gospel jesu christ reason draw parabl that hell not even remot pleasant true awl hell that etern separ god glori presenc gwtj whether open rebellion reveal gospel christ not god not saught paul excuss and that mouth will stop will defens judgment seat god understand appoint man onc die and come judgment liter horrif doesn make realiti compel rich christ share rex
soc.religion.christian	faq essai homosexu articl atho rutger edu hudson athena uga edu paul hudson write care total throw leviticu law reflect god charact and true holi natur that god endors homosexu run into problem thi will address seri articl post aresnokoitia can wait thi blew sock read tim vers speak pervert teach mosaic law order command and midst thi list homosexu decalogu god absolut you don absolut you noth jehovah paul reveal messiah lord christ jesu transliter read jehovah anoint savior cor emphasi moral separ pagan gentil lev cor notat drunkard not found lev paul not naiv us lxx knew full law god that for applic law fulfil not question deal encount homosexu context peopl agre that wrong had never face experi christian act straight and fail and had never face christian defin christian homosexu fit gener christian ideal fidel and sexual mirror relationship god and man unfair paul judgement homosexu idolat and us make judgement question thi understand rebut deyoung articl that post refer reason that not accept that common argument paul face thi and problem can not adequ defens statement that paul cultur didn understand homosexu our read articl fact claim that question counsel homosexu christian not theolog issu pastor don you come that conclus work homosexu commun mean work aid patient pastor practic applic theolog truth work issu homosexu love and understand friend contipl cheat wife friend live girlfriend you continu wit onc choic made and remors feel that paul pastor care present corinthian church come bear signific activ rebellion church believ and believ wipe sandel and leav god hand member your youth group constantli paw girl you wouldn hesit deal matter quickli and decisivli that part betrai present polit correct issu pederasti not accept present accept homosexu polit correct not not thi moral decai guess thi follow liber applic polit realm econom liber want tax rich feder state busi settl give tax incent richi come moral code rel us cultur thing polit correct moment rex you want tim thi command miss thiev and homosexu fit adulteri thi arsenokoitia narrow mean homosexu gener that not your thesi object per idea that author tim quot command minu and thing begin bit margin clh
soc.religion.christian	question jesu alon on articl atho rutger edu jblanken ccat sa upenn edu jame blankenship write jesu and on tend refer group that deni triniti explain matthew that jesu name father jesu name son and jesu name name holi spirit father son holi spirit refer role fill jesu imho thi bad wors bad not god prai refus jesu prai real scriptur prai father father son problem multipl god context scriptur perfect even your father heaven that can heir christ that will heir share thing equal includ knowledg power dominion etc christ will and god god cannot thi not power and not god will not liar and not god greatest god don that jesu prai point triniti that distinct god that relationship thi impli sort commun assum that nativ form father and son directli connect that prayer sens isn involv jesu incarn son logo made flesh human form human action limit human capabl commun father take form prayer don that problemat that implicit idea incarn clh
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach articl atho rutger edu andrew cmu edu andrew byler write michael siemon write protest love plai jerom for worth worth jerom and grandli anoth christian wit for can commun saint you for greater polar and dichotomi cathol and protest thought histor perspect valid rome reject signific aspect protest thought vehement protest reject signific aspect roman thought peoplw appar embodi greatest extrem thi reject side not quit vast gulf fix casual observ assum ecumen consult rome and lutheran rome and anglican communion belong show complet converg understand basic theolog issu stick point tend ecclesiolog and church politi for exampl you remeb that decre pope damsu not regard papal decret oppos polit signific sometim will sometim won you misread you that communion throw deuterocanon book you overstress sens reform church jesu christ adopt canon unbeliev jew drawn jamnia counter christian us septuagint suggest you rethink you verg and anti semit worst sens unbeliev jew understand christian chosen peopl god and recipi pre incarn revel matter javneh meet not interpret recent magisteri studi titl mikra don citat inform hand produc primarili background christian specif jewish scholarship suggest strongli that javneh meet resolv linger question practic canon had long fix basi scroll that templ and therebi made hand unclean us list sacr book that drawn josephu and pre yavneh sourc correspond minu book rememeb chapter correctli current jewish canon tanakh thi not throw deuterocanon your posit book greek accept and rome not observ that issu complex and simpli binari judgment not justic andi byler michael siemon you god son ml panix high you nevertheless you die men and fall ml ulyss att princ psalm
soc.religion.christian	christian homosexu part note break thi repli into part due length ml panix michael siemon write articl atho rutger edu mserv mozart iup edu name mark write ml panix michael siemon write homosexu christian check vers us incred pervers interpret simpli not address issu can that vers not address issu exactli vers that address issu agre that vers that unchalleng gai right activist vers that address issu doesn that mean that vers that support your case you you want that vers that address issu coupl not requir incred pervers interpret order condemn homosexu kind interpret incred pervers that appli stori sodom blanket equat homosexu behavior and rape sinc christian cite bibl such context presum read stori amount slander charg that homosexu rape us that stori genesi tell citizen sodom demand opportun two men lot guest fact that sodomit angri lot offer daughter indic that interest homosexu intercours want rape homosexu rape and agre that that wrong christian that homosexu aspect desir sin rape aspect desir passag not that offend god whether homosexu intend rape that fair altern light relat scriptur not that god offend homosexu and rape that homosexu form rape you view that sin describ gen fact that sodomit want commit rape and that unfair stigmat homosexu associ sin rape can you reach such conclus you start conclus that noth wrong homosexu not suppos start conclus that circular reason god fact oppos homosexu intercours gener interpret that offend sodomit blatant homosexu intent commit rape will document testament portrai god despis homosexu intercours even partner consent adult not deceiv fornic idol adulter effemin homosexu thiev covet drunkard revil swindler inherit kingdom god and such you cor moder adequ discuss circular your us porneia thi moder found propos circular that regard church proper author for determin kind marriag legitim and church refus recogn pervert marriag circular reason question had noth church ordain kind marriag and argument straw man term origin question precis definit translat porneia isn import you argu that bibl doesn condemn extramarit sex not moder that case you and moder miss point jesu ask divorc repli you not read that creat begin made male and femal and for thi man leav father and mother and cleav wife and two becom flesh longer two flesh god join togeth man separ read that sexual union man male and wife femal divin ordain union word institut heterosexu marriag ordain and establish god not men and not church god men not suppos dissolv thi union jesu word not creat men thi not circular reason thi read god word read bibl that god ordain union male and femal not read similar divin ordain union two male two femal grant uninspir men ordain altern union isn caligula report marri hors union that jesu refer god join togeth heterosexu union man and wife pardon for mention caligula that inflammatori and save for discuss bestial part thi post hold pass judgement you read that section repli origin question not whether translat porneia that condemn select kind extramarit sex question that heterosexu marriag union describ bibl divin ordain and biblic prohibit sex marriag homosexu intercours sin that whether bibl condemn sex marriag you argu that kind extramarit sex and sin wrong can agre paul that kind activ that name fornic theft covet revil drunken deserv condemn not agre bound categori and fact that argu suggest that not matter not clear that paul excel rhetorician had interest make clear leav matter spirit led decis uncomfort live read that domin christian discuss area altern that definit such term porneia and rest paul dai call faq law tutor appoint god lead christ had spent sixteen centuri drum into head god peopl idea that thing homosexu intercours abomin that deserv punish death perhap paul didn into detail porneia year consid question dealt perhap reason god apostl and prophet not devot great deal time defin distinct testament sexual not intend signific sexual had establish law discuss law and homosexu greater detail below want point that testament failur develop detail standard sexual not necessarili evid that god not care sexual conduct year put peopl death for practic homosexu homosexu behavior and gai christian adam condemn rape heterosexu homosexu and child molest heterosexu homosexu and even possibl harmless obsess kind sex heterosexu homosexu that stand condemn paul continu chapter you cite mildli suggest that paul letter that you want us perhap good guid mean free you not for good doubt free for will not make free cor restat that god god command gai christian wish break peopl involv obsess driven mode sexual behavior wrong slightli incendiari secondari argument phobic conting equat homosexu such behavior equat rape god messeng and you defin obsess driven mode sexual behavior you determin differ obsess sexual behavior and normal sex drive desir sin sex obsess driven mode behavior you that thi circular reason defin sin obsess make obsess fact that person driven seek even sin obsess desir for that societi condemn onc that circular defin obsess person even societi condemn societi condemn obsess you limit bibl condemn porneia pervert sex act don you can defin pervert fall into exactli circular you accus paul condemn declar that fornic not enter kindgom heaven won deal exegesi leviticu tangenti fundament you exhibit circular your assumpt that you porneia mean you misunderstood not make argument technic definit porneia rais issu sin extramarit sex and lack scriptur evid homosexu counterpart divin ordain union heterosexu coupl plenti law prohibit sexual behavior found leviticu christian ignor complet never even bother examin assum that moral and ritual new for you anthropolog sensit you ritual and clean unlcean categori aw lot societi buri pretti deep and cannot ground for distinguish bit leviticu ritual law christian feel appli dead peopl start thi matter repuls and unnatur act and huh solid clue sort arbitrari cultur inculc american prejudic eat insect rememb you for discuss bestial part basi assum your conclus can you that law male male intercours leviticu not part ritual law glad you ask you agre that god condemn homosexu intercours even not law mose thi show that god condemn homosexu act ritual law can show you scriptur that god punish homosexu behavior peopl not law mose you agre that god definit homosexu intercours abomin not limit ritual law and law privat email discuss dai adventist subject sabbath and main point christian sabbath keep requir that scriptur god command gentil rest sabbath condemn gentil for fail rest sabbath thi illustr differ univers requir such thou shalt not kill and requir that part temporari jew law mose such sabbath point you make that you classif homosexu intercours abomin part temporari jew law mose hand that label god abomin for gentil jew and that punish guilti thi behavior death exil back genesi god promis give abraham land that possess amorit kinda hard amorit don you vers clue that thi not unjust sound god postpon thi takeov for quit iniqu amorit not complet rememb thi long ritual law iniqu amorit commit that complet justifi cast land and kill back and lev vers list varieti sin includ child sacrific incest homosexu and bestial begin vers god start not defil thing for thing nation cast you becom defil for land becom defil visit punish land spew inhabit for abomin person cut peopl notic that god gentil nation not ritual law mose punish defil and land commit abomin that includ incest bestial and homosexu flip ahead two chapter lev and you will find abomin list and thi time god decre death penalti involv thing includ specif man ly anoth man li woman bloodguilti mean that god ey deserv die for such thing lev even alien jew sojourn you refrain practic penalti cut god peopl circumst difficult support claim that testament god object intend rape and not homosexu sodom sinc god troubl specif list sex two consent men reason for wipe canaanit nation not homosexu rape mind you plain voluntari gai sex god not neutral subject homosexu behavior even had noth mosaic coven for christian that part leviticu can law for christian not even thought incumb you case handl merit determin you pick and ignor anoth tim scriptur inspir god and profit for teach reproof correct and train righteous that even gentil christian not law can learn studi action defin sin violat law sin for law for exampl case sabbath keep god reveal that action abomin even for not law conclud that god object practic not base whether not person law sin act case homosexu homosexu intercours defin god defil abomin for gentil jew for not law for not that gentil christian oblig part law simpli that god refer homosexu sin even for not oblig law thi not can appeal exempt law valid ground for legitim practic god declar bloodguilti abomin that defil jew and gentil continu part mark
soc.religion.christian	mercuri refer fundamentali articl atho rutger edu dan ingr rose aros write rais oakland and san lorenzo strict fundamentalist christian parent mason beaten child san jose mercuri new come articl start rais oakland mexican parent mason beaten face perhap connect that not mexican variant you bring thi true statement didn christian gener specif strict fundamentalist christian reflect common percept that peopl fundamentalist strict disciplinarian whether not thi percept justifi anoth issu read that distinguish strict and relax fundamentalist clh
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ articl atho rutger edu shellgat llo psi larri overack write earli church histori catechumen dismiss prior celebr eucharist secret give rise rumor that christian problem idea that catechumen dismiss eucharist not consid qualifi particip cannib and sort pervers claim action consid holi observ christian potenti danger for individu christian identifi dismiss earli church mean that eucharist secret mean you don stai membership can particip you don hang you oblig attend qualifi except you not stai happen secret had reason conduct busi meet church made clear that member can vote happi for member stai and observ you evid for intent secreci rumour will happen you underclass thing not approv power christoph
soc.religion.christian	christian crisi hank hanegraaff articl atho rutger edu yfn ysu edu frank decenso write read thi import book your feel not read book intend judg promo hear constantli radio sound good john macarthur charismat chao seri and book talk thing health wealth and prosper thing real part and promin religion time turn tbn paul crouch show build talk sin poor and unhealthi
soc.religion.christian	christian homosexu part thi continu earlier post ml panix michael siemon write for christian that part leviticu can law for christian not even thought incumb you case handl merit determin you pick and ignor anoth frankli effort misguid reread paul doubt free christian criterion us for make judgment thi great command love for god and neighbor you cannot leviticu and decid each command that basi your arbitrari select simpli idiosyncraci thi context remark offens notic that vers forbid bestial immedi follow vers prohibit appear homosexu intercours you found thi offens not intent offend lead anoth point discuss detail below thi almost slimei argument that homosexu rape argu can find joker defens bestial absolut irrelev and incompar issu gai christian rais concern sexual activ commit consensu human adult realtionship that your bring relev law kashrut you cannot address actual issu you bloodi dishonest trail thi red her front world you want address bestial that your busi not mine and attempt torpedo issu cultur ridicul joke show that you interest hear human be you want dismiss and us sleaziest mean you can can you revuls for bestial that exce distast for homosexu spoke homosexu you speak bestial troubl label homophob thi gentli you judgement peopl sexual prefer happen doubt free you doubl standard you describ comparison homosexu and bestial slimei and sleazi you make implicit judgement that bestial pervert sin disgust unnatur short thing that societi onc thought homosexu not peopl share your view you claim not sincer zoophil thi not mean that not exist even newsgroup alt sex bestial you accus mere joker notic you delet main point comment fact that biblic condemn bestial occur connect levit prohibit homosexu testament passag that can arguabl condemn homosexu that condemn bestial your main point that christian homosexu accept due lack clear testament statement thi valid argument not christian zoophilia made that accept fact that testament make refer clear unclear subject quit accept homosexu biblic accept basi your argument fair and appli standard declar sexual prefer argument you make for homosexu can appli sexual prefer appli and come not torpedo issu you label ridicul joke post question interpret biblic guidelin for christian sexual and don such question irrelev group call soc religion christian bibl discuss homosexu and bestial togeth context and feel good preced for jesu and paul expound explictli and consider length central linch pin christian moral thought requir love anoth and depend that gai and lesbian christ ian challeng you address issu term and return cheap debat trick attempt side track issu don whether make differ for record thi not side issu for love anoth includ not encourag peopl defil high import determin whether god regard sexual act defil can read testament that god join togeth heterosexu coupl and that marriag bed undefil can read testament that homosexu intercours and bestial defil person whether not that person law gai christian can validli put testament standard defil want that can fairli appli sexual practic that defil person dai don bit and piec law and and appli christian todai bestial defil you homosexu doesn that pretti you earlier you us exampl you essenti thing wrong appli part law christian christian doubt sincer show and corner usenet and world and spout vers never thought never even read total ignor issu rais slander vilest charg child abus perfervid mind can manag conjur toss red her suppos great emot forc reader dismiss wit even take troubl find not intent stir such emot reaction person don that upset discuss altern monogam heterosexu orient afraid naiv assum that similar attitud note that never intend equat homosexu child abus note that for lack clear condemn homosexu even greater lack condemn even mention bestial practic number peopl alt sex bestial true sexual orient such behavior shame claim truth christ for god preciou sake you peopl quot irrelev vers condemn peopl you don and won even troubl listen you start your condemn that love your neighbor god forbid that you obei repeat command not judg condemn christ and paul spend order magnitud time insist thi half dozen obscur word paul that you bloodi readi licens god tell you not for god sake quot john omit for breviti thi excel question and prai that you will not treat mere rhetor question will genuin seek discov and understand answer recommend you begin introspect into you attitud zoophilia you find bestial repugn that you regard slander even mention connect altern sexual orient you not appli vers love and toler zoophil you appli homosexu you automat experi subject feel revuls thought lot peopl experi thought homosexu intercours you regard practic social unaccept lot peopl regard homosexu social unaccept you feel that violat tradit judeo christian standard sexual moral peopl feel that homosexu you feel bibl condemn peopl bibl condemn homosexu condemn bestial you compar bestial homosexu insult homosexu you can honestli answer thi question you will come long understand peopl feel homosexu you feel bestial note that not sens condemn peopl point that read bibl sexual practic that bibl appear condemn sex marriag adulteri and pre marit sex sin you that fail love neighbor you treat bestial disgust and unmention you disobei repeat order not judg condemn you christian guilti sin condemn you and judg you you that accus make guilti offens you and simpli take note practic bibl brand sin and leav judgement peopl god for long ag confus evil counsel evil men and told that light shame and reject despair and cours that show sin shun god light bless spirit crush righteou justifi truth and truth light human and that not fear light enemi fear light wit and will can shadow dark fals wit michael siemon you god son ml panix high you nevertheless you die men and fall ml ulyss att princ psalm not you mean two paragraph you mean that jesu truth and that accept sinner and not reject agre not sinner not savior salvat christ not mean that sin irrelev for and can want christ grace mean that refer sin sin judgement intoler speak gener term not specif homosexu bibl call sin not unreason for christian call sin appli christian homosexu definit author christian sexual bibl you make list bibl subject homosexu intercours you will find that vers list neg and condemn worst and unclear pro gai statement you make list that disput testament vers peopl interpret condemn homosexu intercours that gai perspect posit thing you can bibl treatment homosexu that vers fail condemn that jesu declar food clean council jerusalem declar that gentil not requir ritual law reclassifi homosexu intercours abomin deserv death accept christian practic you vers describ homosexu intercours abomin that defil jew law and gentil not law and you vers not clear peopl clear condemn homosexu behavior and that sum total bibl sex intercours can person experi your desir simpl cut and dri black and white want and oppos wick not bibl make your case definit you fact don posit your case vers love anoth and not judg anoth that not issu you and admit that thing that sin for christian sinc you wrong for christian condemn you issu whether bibl homosexu intercours sin even you challeng clariti testament vers you left fact that thing bibl homosexu intercours that abomin that defil law and not mark don reaction comparis bestial base bestialophobia regard slimei rhetor approach connect homosexu and bestial peopl accept homosexu radic approach law regard lev not bind christian argument that text separ bestial homosexu and wear mix fabric thi not mean that such peopl limit conduct mean that accept bestial simpli mean that sexual ethic not come law and not lev clh
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soc.religion.christian	cathol doctrin predestin articl geneva rutger edu crep lateran uc indiana edu stephen crep write articl atho rutger edu noy midwai uchicago edu write cathol doctrin predestin not exclud free will sinc god that happen free will and chang happen sinc god choic will make advanc god not subject time argument pit predestin free will curious thi subject occupi good bit prayer life recent god experi time complet sinc and word foreknowledg and predestin semant incorrect come describ god percept action for god begin live and end live sort for god not not foreknowledg live time predestin action fact sinc understand thing ti linear experi time that imposs for understand complet free will interact god control univers tom ault
soc.religion.christian	mari assumpt elizabeth greet mari elizabeth effect that mari women bless appear that thi exactli place mari sanctif normal human rememb coupl time girlfriend that thought bless son love dearli fact heard peopl refer bless quit time common figur speech that elizabeth anoth human thi passag offer noth justifi blessed mari
soc.religion.christian	incarn two mind christ articl geneva rutger edu tedr athena uga edu ted kalivoda write nabil wrote famili agre that will and act hypostasi logo incarn marhaba nabil posit two mind christ mind logo and mind human jesu admit two will mind not mind will thi dealt past church prnouncement philosoph problem that examin morri argu that incarn can thi mind logo mind jesu circumsrib god human son god son complet access human mind mind human mind access mind god son son access thi explain jesu even not time kingdom idea complet healthi version split person field psycholog and intrigu idea dream act know that you omnisci explain you want full document mail rex question aris begin logo and conscious compos clarifi two natur christ briefli divin natur exist etern not undertak essenti incarn conflict attribut god foremost immut thi mean that remain impass that incap suffer and death free ignor and insuscept weak and temptat realm divin natur that son god that not absolut and result incarn that divin logo ignor and weak tempt and suffer and die not divin natur deriv possess human natur thi mean that properti divin natur and human natur properti person and ascrib person thi reason can that person can omnipot omnisci and omnipres time man limit power knowledg man sorrow subject human and miseri penetr natur into deiti can share imperfect human human can share essenti perfect godhead not assum that doubl person due possess doubl natur christ human natur imperson that attain conscious and determin person god man differenti person and natur man natur defin distinguish qualiti properti fundament charact disposit tempera live innat and unchang natur essenc substanc possess common such triniti natur common natur mankind person hand separ subsist natur power conscious and will for thi reason that human natur christ not had separ subsist that imperson logo god man repres principl person equal import that conscious and determin not such belong natur for thi reason that can justifi that jesu not two conscious two will theanthrop activ person unit human and divin natur that conscious will simpli human simpli divin quotat not identifi and not clear posit loren take for clariti note that view express classic christolog heresi monothelit that posit that christ two natur not complet that will case includ thi exampl human will that regard miss peopl talk christ human natur imperson mean somewhat abstract sens that person hypostati not usual english sens person thi us doctrin call anhypostasia person anhypostasia sophist deni that logo human fulli never formal rule heresi and fact held influenti theologian ancient and modern athanasiu quotat appear farther even athanasiu into realm overtli heret clh
soc.religion.christian	arsenokoitai scrogg cont jame deyoung scrogg robin scrogg built discuss predecessor and suggest twist word scrogg believ that arsenokoitai hellenist jewish coinag perhap influenc awar rabbin terminolog term deriv lev lxx juxtapos two word arseno male and koiten bed and repres hebrew miskab zabar ly male believ that paul not origin term borrow circl hellenist jew acquaint rabbin discuss invent avoid contact usual greek terminolog thi true scrogg observ explain word not greco roman discuss pederasti and patrist writer avoid meaningless nativ speak greek scrogg take second part activ word and word object second part differ boswel learn discuss scrogg understand gener mean li male narrow refer preced malokoi cor scrogg interpret effemin call boi arsenokoitai activ partner malako mistress hire occas satisfi sexual desir arsenokoitai not refer homosexu gener femal homosexu gener model pederasti cannot refer modern gai model affirm thi scrogg interpret term tim combin pornoi fornic arsenokoitai and andrapodistai slave dealer refer male prostitut male lie and slave dealer procur refer that specif form pederasti consist enslav boi youth for sexual purpos and us boi adult male even mind pagan author condemn thi form pederasti instanc arsenokoitai cor and tim interpret appar gener condemn femal and male homosexu rom paul had had pederasti mind cannot paul contemporari model adult adult mutual sex relat ship relat term context and contemporari ethic concern scrogg emphas point that specif item list vice cor deliber intend mean paul form and function catalogu vice tradit and stereotyp relationship individu item list and context nonexist conclud that paul not care specif item list basi mean term and literari phenomenon catalogu vice scrogg argu that scriptur irrelev and provid heat debat todai model todai christian homosexu commun model attack that biblic judgment homosexu not relev todai debat longer us denomin discuss homosexu weapon justifi refus ordin reaction interpret arsenokoitai wright recent year posit bailei boswel and scrogg come closer scrutini perhap critic evalu boswel view that david wright thorough articl wright point shortcom boswel treatment arsenokoitai fault boswel for fail cite cite inaccur refer lev and church father such eusebiu apostol constitut clement alexandria tertullian and origen boswel not consid possibl that term deriv form mean leviticu passag thi signific for term deriv refut boswel claim that half word arseno denot not object gender second half koitai lxx mean male sleep male make arseno object wright fault boswel claim linguist featur term includ suggest parallel boswel claim that compound arseno emploi object and arreno emploi adject wright believ that differ two dialect divers semant import attach differ two form wright believ that compound second half verb verbal forc half denot object and second part substantiv half denot gender boswel treatment earli church father that wright take special issu fail cite sourc for exampl aristid apolog arrenomanei androbaten and arsenokoitia basic mean male homosexu contrari boswel discuss boswel fail cite hippolytu refut omn haer and improperli cite eusebiu and syriac writer bardensan syriac term that ident syriac cor and tim wright show earli church father us arsenokoitai parallel paidophthoria refer male homosexu teenag domin form male homosexu greek sometim thi parallel occur threefold list moicheia adulteri porneia fornic and paidophthoria arsenokoitai replac paidophthori clement alexandria protr cite second tabl ten command you not kill moicheusei you not commit adulteri paidophthoresei you not practic homosexu boi you not steal anoth occurr arsenokoitein commit homosexu exist sibyllin oracl wright observ that word coin jewish pre christian writer hellenist set repres sib book wright discuss arsenokoitai rhetoriu drew centuri writer teucer macariu and john faster last bear idea homosexu intercours contrari boswel wright repli boswel content that term not absent literatur homosexu that denot wright point that not expect writer prior centuri sinc not exist that greek us dozen word and phrase refer homosexu that sourc didach show acquaint paul letter deliber avoid cite scriptur and that boswel neglect cite church father boswel treatment chrysostom draw wright attent boswel conspicu misrepres wit chrysostom omit refer and assert patent untru chrysostom long uncompromis and clear indict homosexu homili rom boswel exagger chrysostom infrequ us term wright observ that boswel signal fail demonstr arsenokoit etc patent not denot male homosexu activ infrequ rel technic natur and avail such term paidophthoria that prevail form male homosexu greco roman world wright survei latin syriac and coptic translat tim and cor render arsenokoitai word that reflect mean homosexu understand arseno object second half word primari version support boswel limit conclus base wright conclud discuss observ catalogu vice literari form believ that such list develop late judaism hellenist jew wrote clear condemn homosexu greek world thi parallel increas concern part moral philosoph homosexu indulg term into influenc lxx that writer spoke gener male activ male specif categor male sexual engag paid arsenokoitai and paidophthoria interchang encompass summari wright seek show that arsenokoitai broad term mean homosexu and aris judaism view boswel scrogg and limit term activ male prostitut pederasti signific support linguist and histor studi question wright posit william peterson that into good stuff histor linguist studi thi will includ symposium plato doubt modern understand homosexu understood contemmpl time paul thi will clear thing will review paul us lev and for law fulfil not lev univers and chapter gener put that longer hold true todai cultur stick for thi scrogg testament and homosexu phil independ conclus appar connect made sophocl greek lexicon roman byzantin period discuss thing paul languag rom thi doubt cautiou word zaa cor homosexu condon corinthian church sblasp observ that word moixai malakoi and arsenokoitai part jewish anti gentil polem paul wor end vice list and such you that paul address real potenti abus ethic messag not cite primit tradit rote wright disput zaa attempt associ term idolatri boswel treatment rom articl hai relat natur and unnatur respons john boswel exegesi roman jre spring excel critiqu wright homosexu prostitut mean arsenokoitai cor tim unpublish paper henri mendel arsenokoitai boswel paul effect refutr boswel claim philolog arsenokoitai find mean gener male sex male wright endnot list addit sourc church father notic tendenc boswel fail cite refer sodom and sodomi apocrypha and pseudepigrapha deyoung critiqu prohomosexu interpret apocrypha and pseudepigrapha bsac light claim made boswel that infrequ arsenokoitai point mean lack homosexu signific wright ask pertin philo josephu us paidofthoria josephu paiderastia and clement not us and chrysostom recent articl homosexu 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soc.religion.christian	mari assumpt david bernard central sun dave bernard write don necess holi parent sanctifi normal human sound inabl grasp immens god grace incarn dinari human elizabeth greet mari elizabeth effect that mari women bless appear that thi exactli place mari whoa dude don jump you made bless give you that you mean sanctif normal human mohammad khan khan nova gmi edu juli send mail mkhan nyx edu respons thi letter post bounc mail nyx account
soc.religion.christian	cathol doctrin predestin articl geneva rutger edu crep lateran uc indiana edu stephen crep cathol doctrin predestin not exclud free will sinc god that happen free will and chang happen sinc god choic will make advanc god not subject time argument pit predestin free will issu semant not call pre determin rrrrr bbbbb robert pomeroi rrrr bbbbb keel bbbbb address hawthorn hall keel staffordshir england term time
soc.religion.christian	cathol doctrin predestin stephen crep write cathol doctrin predestin not exclud free will sinc god that happen free will and chang happen sinc god choic will make advanc god not subject time argument pit predestin free will that last sentenc steve import rememb thing cathol religion that cannot complet comprehend human thi not case good evid that religion man made case predestin you reconcil two thing that irreconcil sovereignti god will thing and man free will decid fate cathol that doesn mean that come pat reconcili thought that goedel famou theorem applic cathol dogma analog sens thing that true that cannot prove god intellect our truth that will never understand
soc.religion.christian	mari bless women dave bernard write elizabeth greet mari word bless art thou women luke appear that thi place mari sanctif normal human deborah judg bless women jael wife heber kenit bless women tent can doubtless that jael slai sisera type mari victori sin even deborah word appli prophet symbol mari applic liter jael mean that god us part plan for deliver peopl and that thi common mari reason suppos that mean that sinless and reason express appli mari proof that sinless jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	relev subject line recent post bear subject line serbian genocid work god text contain line devot defenc doctrin predestin appli salvat individu line post script balkan natur and easi subject line post that repli focu shift keep subject can confus thi intend gener request post mention handiest exampl jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	arsenokoitai mean meta exegesi convict sin part return question stipul that paul meant us arseonkoitai refer exactli levit prohibit male male sex order bring problem stipul plausibl that paul coin term for thi usag question want turn that mean for paul reader and for christian thi shorter last note will that thi question rapidli confront major divis christ bodi and not open gate for flame across terribl chasm that separ fellow christian bias loos characteriz liber will evid not grind ax parti that hard reach closur issu involv strike heart each wai crucial gospel christ stipul paul intent question can reader understand thi intent and that question second proper action manag understand sinc paul not singl clue mean text corinthian two posit answer and neg thi question paul apollo apostol commun convei corinthian tradit jewish condem nation homosexu behavior and paul expect suffici tutor thi tradit that futher explan note that evid letter corinthian for such supposit spirit will teach paul mean not paul god mean paul inspir word choic don and cannot guess pre cision for comparison parallel us paul passag word pleonektai you that areseonkoitai obviou root cut your teeth thi word neb translat grabber even methusoi drunkard thi advantag common insult that hint mean posit can allow exagger for sake argument defin classic cathol attitud tradit form protest sola scriptura and liber critic demand for evid posit strength and weak unquestion that gospel preach and commun christ discipl and successor and that scriptur emerg thi commun tradit case that noth thi tradit almost centuri paul that access tradit gener possibl confus transmiss scriptur document tradit critic era not born water and spirit revert john attempt explain paul hope stand gospel nicodemu had tradit men vain elev reason can prevent spirit blow will paraclet kamikaz downsid protest belief efficaci spirit guid scriptur that wing protestant that take thi fragment diverg understand supposedli deriv clear word god note classic lutheran calvinist and anglican thought constrain scriptur read tradit even reserv judgment tradit scriptur bizarr form will read scriptur primarili fring aspect cultic protestant main problem thi approach that appar mean for person convei anoth that feel teach receiv spirit and histori show incred conflict christian thi point each mind convinc that led spirit can urg point sens potenti for set christian christian purpos critic approach distinct advantag that can reach conclus can lai data open weak obviou corollari thi not word acknowledg bia complaint critic methodolog that dissolv faith sure faith that cannot honestli face evalu ation evid problem mere theologi helpless address and unfortun possibl schism liber and conserv posit basi extrem zealot posit and cathol sens author and tradit constrain argument contra secondari posit that despit horrend strain rome not like find issu ultim divis protest world will and anglican will predict muddl media attempt give each posit due due second question suppos tradit tell and lot spiritu christian and critic thought admit that paul refer flat univers levit prohibit male male sex can abdic person responsi biliti tradit and dictat answer precis inherit tradit not question that danger exampl christ question pharise and us tradit despit urg matthew that heed exampl peter and radic paul jettison tradit that led spirit call into question jesu and peter and paul not throw tradit subject radic critic coupl basic ground weightier demand law justic and merci and good faith matthew and two command love god neighbor hand law and prophet matthew fundament deriv christ valid challeng tradit valid that led gener waiv applic torah gentil convert vastli that directli deduc jesu report word and deed signifi failur imagin postul that tradit that specif challeng fact open challeng tradit pass men tradit men that god lead even that tradit sourc spiritu instruct will freeli grant tradit inher human and inher corrupt and fall corrupt noth immun challeng spirit show failur justic merci and good faith noth ultim stand follow love god and love neighbor perfectli will grant that blind sin that spirit taught anoth refus teach dens learn that tradit tradit that occas superstiti christian appeal justinian earthquak asia minor and scapego sodomit earthquak that legisl pass make homosexu behavior capit offens that accord gospel christ christian that human tradit hate and viciou and noth that unbidden erupt usenet peopl quick condemn slow understand that lead spirit want part found obedi lord that total depend wit christian for truth that live bodi christ and doubt that gai christian god gamaliel doubt pharise suppress earliest church care you deal peopl thi enterpris thi movement human origin will break accord fact come god you will not unabl destroi you find fight god act that you listen your tradit and read your scriptur mind and soul open spirit and past histori christian wit willing challeng tradit and read scriptur read author scribe and rabbi and submiss declar that depend love god and neighbor studi evid learn histori christian oppress christian tradit and eager judg jesu and paul not judg and wit spirit live your fellow christian includ not your prefer theologi guid you god truth michael siemon you god son ml panix high you nevertheless you die men and fall ml ulyss att princ psalm ambigu your discuss posit whether you speak tradit paul time our two wai us tradit that paul and reader share tradit make sens interpret word context that share tradit that make that argument word turn silli that paul background that puritan sex sex consist that background tone remark homosexu rom consist that background even word sin list aren gener term for homosexu activ and that evid that not piec evid for will evid that paul share common jewish reject homosexu you identifi cathol posit that hors color cathol posit involv continu church tradit argument specif that tradit can guidanc interpret paul origin mean tradit church father interpret and gain confid that prohibit appli time univers judgement church time and our thi somewhat us tradit radic protest will us cent tradit illumin paul origin mean not us cathol posit answer question attitud homosexu clh
soc.religion.christian	daili vers dishonest monei dwindl gather monei make grow proverb
soc.religion.christian	secret ceremoni mormon templ shellgat llo psi larri overack write articl atho rutger edu mserv mozart iup edu mail server write don necessarili object secreci question sinc biblic reason aspect christian worship involv secreci earli church histori catechumen dismiss prior celebr eucharist secret give rise rumor that christian cannib and sort pervers claim action consid holi observ christian potenti danger for individu christian identifi larri overack llo shell sig delet for breviti larri for repli thi isn quit thing can understand christian deni access holi ceremoni ceremoni communion not secret fact gospel record break bread detail communion fellowship meal and and opinion inappropri invit not share fellowship bodi christ fact that unbeliev deni access commun meal began imagin sort secret and debas ritual communion not mean impli that earli christian fact hide shame thing gener public fact you read earli church father you will find that not bash describ communion that funni mormon claim true restor centuri christian insist hide ritual ground that sacr mark that not quit case john omit central element last supper gospel full symbol bread and wine actual stori isn peopl omit detail not talk public commun evid that aspect baptism practic secret morton smith secret gospel don agre lurid specul secret practic evid that mark omit detail inappropri for public clh
soc.religion.christian	satan kick heaven biblic articl atho rutger edu ta pegasu len howard eddi peopl battl describ rev describ cast satan heaven and fall earth shalom len howard check jude you concord handi check refer star gener mean angel
soc.religion.christian	dream and bodi incid articl atho rutger edu alisonjw spider alison wyld write alisonjw spider alison wyld make clear don and never oob tend limit for christian
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept articl atho rutger edu seanna bnr seanna watson write articl atho rutger edu jhpb sarto budd lake joseph buehler write refer mari immacul conceiv and never subject origin sin never commit person sin life thi special degre grace grant god quit problem idea that mari never commit sin mari fulli human for god miracul make person free origin sin and free commit sin life purpos incarn jesu can god repeat miracl for mari make rest sinless for repent and salvat and that concept mari sinless odd rest christian doctrin understand two street god gave grace avoid sin visit gabriel gave fiat total accept god will thi fiat summar cathol regard highest human that god chose and that accept know thi advanc extrapol that stain subject origin sin god creat miracul free choos not choos sin suffici for dai evil thereof and grace god command thi amount grace precis determin god amount requir god ask grace each not choos accept jesu fulli human and never sin god creat person chose thing creat despit flaw prove love continu draw perfect for purpos for confid that will accomplish god repeat miracul creation mother son will that leav joe moor
soc.religion.christian	harold camp you read harold camp book biblic evidenc that point septemb probabl time christ second come inform book and read for christian you can your local bookstor for peac not clh
soc.religion.christian	contradict mormon contradict relat moral issu polygami mormon write book book mormon call book jacob joseph smith wrote that abomin god for david and solomon wive joseph smith wrote doctrin and coven possibl polygami issu person life wrote that not abomin for david wive mormon answer thi contradict link hudson
soc.religion.christian	imprecatori psalm paul fortmann submit sermon peter hammond prai for justic that spoke posit imprecatori curs psalm thi connect recommend membership book reflect psalm lewi special refer chapter curs psalm jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	portland earthquak bill rea cctr cantua canterburi wrote theologi clash theologi local prophet deep understand mosaic coven and actut awar intern event that jeremiah spoke prophesi judgement prophesi deepli load theolog mean opinion portland earthquak prophesi and david wilkerson york will burn prophesi froth and bubbl compar majest theolog depth jeremiah prophesi perhap thing ad that jeremiah prophesi come destruct jerusalem understood peopl that time full frontal assault understand relationship lord todai gener populac hear prophesi portland earthquak york will burn context relationship lack lord like that result fever imagin religi nutter that reason deep suspici bald judgement prophesi explan reason for judgement thi doesn long wind rel modern exampl abraham lincoln second inaugur speech relev section below thi type spiritu insight miss prophesi post excerpt abraham lincoln inaugur speech read bibl and prai god and each invok aid strang that men dare god assist wring bread sweat men face judg not that not judg prayer not answer that answer fulli almighti purpos woe world offenc for that offenc come woe that man offenc cometh suppos that american slaveri offenc provdenc god come continu appoint time will remov and that north and south thi terribl war woe due offenc discern departur divin attribut believ live god ascrib fondli hope fervent prai that thi mighti scourg war speedili pass god will that continu wealth pile bond man two hundr and fifti year unrequit toil sunk and drop blood drawn lash paid anoth drawn sword thousand year ago judgment lord true and righteou altogeth malic chariti for firm god strive finish work bind nation wound care for born battl and for widow and orphan achiev and cherish and last peac ourselv and nation bill rea bill rea comput servic centr mail rea csc canterburi univers canterburi cctr csc canterburi christchurch zealand phone fax
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian geneva rutger edu noy midwai uchicago edu vera shanti noy write articl atho rutger edu carlson larc nasa gov ann carlson write bibl vers us homosexu delet think gai and christian not compat check digniti integr light presbyterian church affirm mcc church etc meet gai christian find prai discuss scriptur and form your opinion check episcop church mean episcopalian sympathet homosexu men and women fairli larg percentag experi good friend episcopalian minist ordain and live monogam homosexu relationship thi diminish abil minist fact signific ministri gai and lesbian associ commun signific aid ministri thi sound argument pro homosexu crowd give support church member that involv incestu relationship substitut mean episcopalian sympathet incestu men and women fairli larget percentag experi good friend episcopalian minist ordain and live monogam incestu relationship thi diminish abil minist fact signific ministri incest associ commun standard appli not not and ballpark bestial can recal offhand direct statement bibl sex anim that activ sanction avoid respons such you take thi extrem guess that disproportion percentag inerr bibl commun view homosexu act distast manner that societi larg view incest scott coke scott coke rockwel for davidian not speak not davidian for opinion express mine and not repres rockwel you can replac homosexu statement murder sleep late that doesn mean that peopl accept substitut question whether relationship involv fact form vehicl repres christ relationship human thi partli empir question case type human relationship reject time lead troubl that case slaveri can argu that theori you follow paul guidelin christian slavehold practic period time peopl conclus that can that degre control anoth and not abus messag you respond ask you result christian commun that endors homosexu note christian homosexu not peopl you new advoc extremist agenda you not want base your decis complet that kind observ argu that relev you can answer request ask you shouldn incest associ fact such associ reason for you that doesn mean that result such examin necessarili come part aren group push relax standard that produc bad result clh
soc.religion.christian	satan kick heaven biblic articl atho rutger edu ta pegasu len howard write eddi peopl battl describ rev describ cast satan heaven and fall earth shalom len howard luke that heareth you heareth and that despiseth you despiseth and that despiseth despiseth that and seventi return joi lord even devil subject thy name and beheld satan lightn fall heaven prayer todai spoken offer for bridg heaven broken and you lost wild wild sea lost wild wild sea
soc.religion.christian	major view triniti articl atho rutger edu swf elsegundoca ncr stan friesen wrote simpli put not that platon essenc real exist essenc platon sens not refer can imaginari concept invent provid explan for thing explain wai you quit confid that essenc not exist propos defin be can thing can definit can definit and essenc properti be properti god properti number exist realiti abstract entiti invent uniti god primari and trialiti secondari modal aspectu relat role mode interact sinc mean god post alt messian possibl tri theism phiolosoph point view ted kalivoda tedr athena uga edu institut higher educ univers georgia athen
soc.religion.christian	daili vers that you purifi obei truth that you sincer love for your brother love anoth deepli heart ipet
soc.religion.christian	mari and idol studi bibl for year love not familiar denomin tradit common belief christian group heard peopl thi new group describ idol such power monei materi possess etc thing worship sens suppos never gave idol thought read post thi new group found dai ago and question not question belief push view haven thi long view cannot heaven good understand that christ bore sin cross that save and repent realiz that time sin stick sharp stick christ side punish for sin di cross studi mari never come that that statu mari consid idol peopl prai statu mari sound educ christian educ mari sinless wow hope spend summer convinc tongu read charismat chao guess studi tongu parallel read thi new group you can give will appreci don issu that peopl educ you that that come tradit thi discuss cathol and protest cathol gener that mari sinless protest not issu come sourc author protest gener limit bibl sourc doctrin sinc thi isn bibl passag that understand thi didn protest don accept cathol continu revel church result consist bibl interpret your post not call for anoth argument whether cathol marian devot idolatri argument not prepar new sign interest learn tradit your cathol major mean gener major tradit cathol orthodox and subset protestant protestant matter fine you want cut thing dai major divis accept biblic inerr and don number major histor tradit recent decad distinct tend blur identifi major protest tradit lutheran reform anglican sort halfwai cathol and protest wesleyan baptist holi pentecost church christ number histor distinct tend not import liber church anymor and current trend societi and church tend make conserv alli gener evangel perspect differ tradit quit mark introduct issu read good book church histori understand church understand church histori will show you each tradit and give feel for natur librari moment don specif recommend clh
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soc.religion.christian	feel parallel will stupidli call homosexu issu and atheist issu offens comparison homosexu feel thing that admit not feel learn that feel classifi homosexu feel and learn model sexual that appli feel can fit experi that thi model sens understand situat model that not match feel will discard wonder onc accept idea gai and decid exactli that mean will analyz feel and experi base definit accept valid model that hard understand listen parallel christian feel thing that atheist claim not feel christian accept christian theologi true descript feel mean onc accept thi model interpret experi regard thi model valid christian remind christian cathol don hate homosexu atheist understand compar foreign blind homosexu atheist blind prejud atheist denial religi experi homosexu prejud attempt societi deni sexual lunch chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	maria goretti read thi stori maria goretti post two week ago bit confus clear that daili life probiti and sanctiti afraid don quit understand final episod life read correctli and church appar felt that rape sin part perfidi that die commit thi case afraid that disagre strongli can explain thi christ david cruz urib sfo
soc.religion.christian	satan kick heaven biblic atho rutger edu ta pegasu len howard write question satan taught long time ago that satan angel god and kick heaven challeng god author problem cannot find thi bibl bibl not origin ref rev delet read ezek thi desctipt lucif satan and beauti etc etc grant for god not spirit fear spirit love power and sound mind tim phone
soc.religion.christian	hate sin wjhovi ulkyvx louisvil edu bill hovingh lpt student write scott prism gatech edu scott holt write hate sin love sinner heard that quit bit recent context discuss christian and homosexu context isn that import question whether that statement consist christian not grate for scott reflect thi oft quot phrase remind scriptur sourc for rom doesn count kid manner thi piec convent wisdom appli experi uniformli hate and destruct billh underlin mine quean lutibel appli hatefulli serv alter bibl reflect view scene samaria woman husband jesu listen your rock readi good biblic fun whisper that doesn husband secret power that had you samaritan and wors live gui that not even marri love and you rais rock bibl and threaten good stone understand hate sin love sinner prioriti strait folk year misunderstand and cancel sin scene golgatha thief you raw deal man didn catch you wrong caught bleed jesu son real clear you you wrong you repent absolut you repent nice room for you heaven you you thiev cancel your reserv nice you piti hang you understand thi act not hurt god you and point thi teach you perfect you simpl kind remark suffer you favor you twice you will repent you will becom fundel good stand such bad new you deliv good god you you you quean lutibel louie louie crew academ foundat depart rutger univers nwk lcrew andromeda rutger edu snail prefer box newark
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christiani hope pass resolut that state that member church agre disagre issu admit that side honestli studi scriptur and had spirit lead conclus work last year abort issu threaten thing and hope that can foster love and care attitud peopl disagre view cliff slaughterbeck peopl not will note that church not will live thi kind compromis ordin women thing that will prevent person presbyterian minist that don accept ordin women argument that can half church not accept leader half peopl will clh interest for folk that church scotland presbyterian church manag agre disagre women ordin for year reason that congreg free call and that minist and session choos elder congreg not woman not oblig and session not not forc note that issu freedom call part congreg import thi year annivarsari disrupt church split that issu didn back togeth for almost year coupl year ago anniversari allow women ordin posit chang that theori minist and elder recognis that women can ordain theori minist refus ordain woman session refus work woman minist presbyteri disciplin practic thi not happen and happen person view that legisl mistak and that permiss not prescript legisl work start round homosexu debat year assembl thi year motion put ban bless sex coupl edinburgh minist panel doctrin marriag and will report year matter will consid and debat hope thi interest alison
soc.religion.christian	daili vers not command you strong and courag not terrifi not discourag for lord your god will you wherev you joshua
soc.religion.christian	soc religion christian articl geneva rutger edu revdak netcom andrew kill write anni dozier dozier utkux utk edu wrote read post thi newsgroup for past month becom appar that thi group primarili activ liber cathol ager and athiest etc sinc conserv protest time religion believ exclus francis christian christian and divers and contenti tradit and thi group reflect that divers not readi conced group liber conserv cathol protest orthodox charismat not claim that truth and not christian increasingli convinc that paul illustr bodi part narrowli easi that bodi repres sect christian gener and part offic ministri place for that met peopl walk close god wide varieti doctin cathol protest liber conserv orthodox etc will encompass wide spectrum view context bodi christ and equal that dai shug thi mortal coil longer glass darkli face face will asham thing held truth fellowship worship and serv call and understand that call not call father reform can recal name put quit succient essenti uniti nonessenti liberti thing chariti agre lewi mere christian that call oneself christian impli basic fundament standard belief word mean defin bound essenti bit broadli deni place for liberti question issu bound and ignor requir chariti togeth attend vineyard church speak tongu effect inerrantist grant inaccuraci translat moder pre mill and evangel not readi damn us icon mass latin uphold virgin mari don that sinless vote church membership insist baptism for salvat doctin pretti close truth follow believ closer truth understand realiti walk christ continu evolv spend and time walk studi word and fellowship extend famili read night and south winter eliot wast land marlatt prov univers colorado marlatt spot colorado edu nation center for atmospher research marlatt neit cgd ucar edu
soc.religion.christian	baptism requir faith articl jhpb sarto budd lake joseph buehler write cathol view effect baptism slightli differ and that primari reason baptiz babi that baptism produc chang soul babi quit independ volit act part babi thi chang babi soul infant capabl that not baptism sinc infant not us intellect and will faculti dormant child get older gift baptism come and into plai guess react strongli thi line think carri you your armi stronger mine you righteous children and baptiz you for you cannot possibl put thi kind action crusad into context teach jesu god advoc approach that design made appeal call not chosen church practic you and effect switch chang come and you baptiz answer not fool folli thou answer fool folli wise conceit proverb
soc.religion.christian	arsenokoitai continu part us permiss sourc and mean arsenokoitai implic for christian ethic and ministri jame deyoung petersen recent wright understand question direct studi william petersen found linguist confus english word homosexu mean arsenokoitai fault wright and english bibl translaion for render homosexu cor and tim sens petersen coalesc bailei boswel and scrogg into singl assert that reiter effect posit bailei find homosexu unaccept translat anachronist major disjunct exist contemporari thought and terminolog and thought and terminolgi paul time thi disjunct base histor and linguist fact accordingli ancient greek and roman societi treat male sexual polyval and character person sexual sexual act virtual form behavior transvest accept christian simpli ad categori natur and unnatur describ action ancient societi noth categori homosexu and heterosexu and assum that word dover quot approvingli petersen respond time homosexu and heterosexu stimuli contrast thi modern usag virtual limit term homosexu desir and propens benkert coin german term equival homosexu us refer orient implus affect prefer and noth sexual act petersen proce cite supplement oxford english dictionari defin homosexu propens desir mention act petersen point that homosexu for arsenokoitai wrongfulli read modern concept back into earli histori equival concept exist translat inaccur includ celib homophil incorrectli exlud heterosexu engag homosexu act and incorrectli includ femal homosexu prior cognit structur inour societi antiqu modern bifurc human into homosexu and hetersosexu made senc forego clarifi petersen feel that translatio homosexu mistaken that petersen mistaken histor and linguist philolog ground phase thi paper will critic examin petersen posit justif for translat arsenokoitai homosexu histor ground refut forego opposit traslat arsenokoitai homosexu begin histor and cultur evid sinc virtual acknowledg that word not paul usag histor set earlier write reveal that ancient understand homosexu prior and contemporari paul goal discov wheither ancient conceiv homosexu homosexu orient similar present dai concept peterson bailei boswel and scrogg claim that homosexu condit desir propens invers call cannot part definit term assert thi term limit act kind boswel activ male prostitut scrogg pederasti homosexu condit unknown ancient time bailei petersen discuss will show posit legitim attent will devot postion address below linguist ground regard posit rightfulli not homosexu condit exist modern phenomenon univers alleg todai exist includ ancient time even lack sophist discuss evid show that ancient pre christian and christian not knew total spectrum sexual behavior includ form sex activ transvest includ knoew sex orient condit petersen admit that plato symposium sole except ancient ingnor thi condit discount thi believ that even act decid factor thi signific except worthi call except addit evid for homosexu condit symposium plato strongest evid for knowledg homosexu condit plato posit sex compris mail femal androgynon man woman origin natur palai physi consist kind human be zeu slice human be half weaken that not threat god each person seek half opposit sex sex plato quot aristoph each talli man sinc show flatfish trace slice two and each search for talli that will fit men section that composit sex that call man woman woman courter adulter descend that sex whenc likewis deriv mancourt women and adulteress women section woman great fanci for men incllin women and thi stock minion men section male pursu masculin and long boyhood last show slice male make griend men and delight lie and clasp men embrasc finest boi and stripl for manli natur shameless creatur fals for behavior due not shameless dare manli and viril sinc quick evid thi fact that reach matur alon prove public career men come man estat boi lover and natur interest wive and get children thing stress custom quit content live togeth unwed dai man thi sort rate born lover 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argu that motiv homosexu crucial monei offic influenc etc bring reproach mention love soul not bodi tow kind love bodi and each desir and passion speaker discuss principl matter love desir love and male natur noteworthi speech socrat devot attent explain desir relat love and object desir felt for not provid present for not not lack thi object desir and love socrat distinguish sort love and work love thi ancient philosoph realm seaual act disposit natur wor signific for pederasti summari virtual element modern discuss love and homosexu anticip symposium plato petersen error claim that ancient homosexu act not inclin orient widespread evid contrai support biblic support for homosexu inclin context homosexu act discrib add case for ancient distinct rom such phrase reason heart foolish desir heart and reprob mind prove paul concern for disposit and inclin work evil even catologu vice introd tim conclud cor word describ peopl not habit betrai peopl lord jesu taught matt condit import outer act rise petersen err particular transvest appar accept ancient practic canaanit syrian peopl asia minor greek driver moralist and jewish writer record condemn for exampl seneca moral epistl condemn homosexu exploit that forc adult slave dress beardless and behav woman philo length describ homosexu dai and dress women special law iii virtu justifi prohibit cross dress even forbad interchang cloth sex deut petersen wrong attribut christian creat label natur and unnatur for sexual behavior not begin paul rom back ancient greec and even christian contemporari us plato test naph philo josephu plutarch and us word relat concept linguist ground footnot petersen can arsenokoitai translat homosexu cor tim dover greek homosexu cambridg harvard univ consciou fact that plato write not reflect athenian societi that speaker symposium not reflect plato view assum that and thi agre dover homosexu and evid cite below translat that lamb plato symposioum lcl cambridg harvard univ note refer adulteress 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speak final thucydid great you glori you fall not below standard natur set for your sex boswel christian cite poet juven ovid witer martial statesmen cicero and describ perman mutual homosexu relationship even marriag even emperor gai marri nero exlus gai hadrian boswel scrogg homosexu admit that invers and pervers exist past discuss refer adult mutual homosexu and lesbian relationship dismiss specif driver critic and exeget commentari deuteronomi edinburgh observ that prohibit cross dress deut not mere rule convent proprieti dover homosexu plato last work seek show virtuou citizen condemn pederasti and marriag men natur para phosin law test naph sodomit chang order natur jewish writer philo abraham and josephu ant label sexual deviat natur final centuri moralist such plutarch dianlogu love spoke homosexu natur christian not invent label natur and unnatur young mean natur roman and implic for biblic prosecript homosexu behavior jet dec
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin alan alan idler aidler sol uvic write alan can analyz lord address marvel alan not that thee born john alan jesu direct remark nicodemu alan ruler jew not child jesu made gener and doctrin statement convers flesh birth flesh spirit birth spirit john infant not born spirit baptism unspiritu not born imag god adam fallen imag gen righteous adult righteous imput righteous christ believ receiv faith alan can ourselv lord even introduc alan concept spiritu birth baptism newborn babi alan weren free sin your point obscur you that christ us innoc newborn babe metaphor for spiritu birth thi not you text not speak spiritu birth spiritu birth born spirit onc not twice time born flesh onc lord make clear that separ and event true that scriptur refer spiritu birth birth second birth for exampl titu not second spiritu birth thing two birth common concept birth us symbol life not innoc infant born conceiv life begun innoc righteou similarli that individu baptiz perhap prior baptism begin life christ roman colossian titu ephesian believ god assur forgiv sin and christ imput righteous for refer augsburg confess articl origin sin apolog augsburg confess articl origin sin formula concord articl origin sin and luther larg catech part baptism for recent baptiz into god famili doctrin infant baptism andrew da northwestern publish hous andrew graduat concordia lutheran seminari loui and pursu doctor studi yale divin school david wagner mad reason rush confession lutheran and baptism not dazzl work regard worthless martin luther larg catech part baptism
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soc.religion.christian	homosexu bryan whitsel whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu wrote recent mail mention technic messeng aren even human can case homosexu even rape jude refer sodom meaning context sodomit lust for flesh angel applic homosexu behavior gener posit gai christian large speciou angel flesh feel that thi that lust men flesh thi world opinon thi haven heard thi vers reik anchor bibl volum jame peter and jude point that exampl thi section jude distinguish elect apost not wick gener deliv egypt not follow mose and extens god apost angel and sodom and gomorrah quot reik fornic testament refer idolatri flesh pet denot human societi and violent attempt exalt sodom and gommorrah repres leader apostasi and surround citi correspond follow inher reason read thi vers liter refer actual sexual lust for alien flesh inher understand refer homosexu circular reason that conclud that sin sodom sin homosexu place that sin sodom and not infer ezekiel thi guilt your sister sodom and daughter had pride excess food and prosper eas bit not aid poor and needi haughti and abomin thing remov for reason overliter text your correspond suggest that reason passag doesn deal homosexu guest angel and not men silli solid reason for point irrelev sodom passag for deal homosexu per revdak netcom
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soc.religion.christian	travel fatima consecr and anniversari share thi rosari and prayer propag practic countri not countri yr illinoi usa not encount call travel fatima sinc don exact translat call nativ languag for region district town citi imag statu ladi fatima move home origin owner anoth thi will stai that famili for week and thi famili requir prai rosari and prayer prayer sheet accompani imag ladi fatima move will simpl process folk pick imag current home depart prayer and proce move home prior notif move will receiv prayer home ladi fatima imag not that member famili that home prai imag invit friend can invit particip prayer time that home everydai for week thi imag move famili bound region that district back owner imag thi philippin correct exactli sinc forgot and year thi part devot ladi fatima easi facilit thi back home like that your door neighbor cathol and imag move door think start villag sister and famili live friend and neighbor cathol and practic state commun law that thi practic will violat whatsoev for you for comment thi matter marida maridai ec comm mot
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soc.religion.christian	hate sin articl geneva rutger edu wjhovi ulkyvx louisvil edu bill hovingh lpt student write scott prism gatech edu scott holt write hate sin love sinner question whether that statement consist christian not grate for scott reflect thi oft quot phrase remind scriptur sourc for not scriptur come patrist ag amar errantem interficer errorem sound love errant slai error doubt will mint phrase had guess blame augustin had gift for aphor richard aquina chonak norri mit edu sometim act you believ
soc.religion.christian	translat alison wyld wrote ajw english languag edit that not show ajw vers even chapter number clh origin neb put vers number margin kenneth wuest expand translat testament put rang vers number top each paragraph expand translat quit verbos suitabl for detail studi for quick read mike gold internet mike hahn fidonet org catalyst bb port elizabeth south africa catp alt bi hst
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin stephen crep write sac that sac bibl that baptiz enter heaven exactli that sac includ infant scriptur sac contrari except sinc except list sac bibl assum safe side that bibl mean sac that baptiz enter heaven except case corneliu and household mention act baptis god show that accept give holi spirit thi mean accept god baptism and had suddenli di heaven case that fetch ancestor mine missionari work herero namibia tribesmen jealou christian and poison convert baptis sure heaven inclin agre comment record time not neglect baptism contempt that condemn mike internet mike hahn fidonet org catalyst bb port elizabeth south africa catp alt bi hst
soc.religion.christian	thi ethic quick comment baptist clergyperson find idea such baptism new report fact accur and seldom religion offens pastor unbaptist view baptism that demand ceremoni even comprehens and choic absent baptiz convert deceiv into hear word like convert fact grace god work such situat harm wait dai two baptist regener membership thi church includ half bake convert into church fellowship feel valid dunk and turn loos thi kind evangel not baptist and not christian revdak netcom
soc.religion.christian	soc religion christian articl geneva rutger edu sfp lemur cit cornel edu sheila patterson wrote for atheist agnost read thi list you aren christian and you intent earth you wast your time and mine particip christian discuss list don draw border newsgroup christian free read and post entri atheist newsgroup and muslim free group each individu defin time schedul post problem notic newsgroup evangelist method tell that and you wrong thi true theist and atheist hopefulli construct dialogu group assumpt and color view cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
soc.religion.christian	mari assumpt articl atho rutger edu david bernard central sun write respons question jesu parent sanctifi normal human elizabeth greet mari elizabeth effect that mari women bless appear that thi exactli place mari sanctif normal human that simpli pregnant incarn almighti god make mari bless women whether not had special spiritu attribut find that special mari human jesu get seanna watson bell northern research prai that end live seanna bnr ottawa ontario canada philosophi and creed god will find peopl busi opinion opinion opinion plant tree and sow seed not bnr mine knew left fred kaan
soc.religion.christian	soc religion christian articl geneva rutger edu sfp lemur cit cornel edu sheila patterson write for atheist agnost read thi list you aren christian and you intent earth you wast your time and mine particip christian discuss list find thi remark arrog ventur that peopl christian point live had intent christian such person quit thank that christian will continu talk despit appear that wast time and mine even marri prepar give answer ask you give reason for hope that you thi gentl and respect peter seanna watson bell northern research prai that end live seanna bnr ottawa ontario canada philosophi and creed god will find peopl busi opinion opinion opinion plant tree and sow seed not bnr mine knew left fred kaan
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept immacul you forgot thing sin and fallen short glori god mark
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soc.religion.christian	easi easi hard easi had rare person talk mother last year that and father rais children not rais thi world strictli rais norwegian lutheran commun felt that alien and creat problem word parent toler love thing rais conflict unreason demand and accept matter circumst happen that grew believ situat ethic and never absolut believ love god and concept god never involv justic punish concept that somedai held respons for thing that offend sin that world told parent good honest and moral peopl rais extrem honest children come complet knowledg god includ knowledg justic and punish commit grave sin live partner marriag marri and divorc physic abus and appar hope for chang shouldn marri person place and parent felt love kind thing allow not impos standard and accept unquestioningli judgement counsel todai absolut appal for back accept word take courag dare soul you speak and unpopular and difficult and peopl not want hear you hard and christ love and compass involv risk perhap you love not want hear and will stai you thi life dust long comfort thi life highest prioriti will fail god and fail come contact engag sex marriag support abort engag homosexu commit rang sin that plenti thi time heard quiet thought love friend that thing wrong told that wrong and multitud live and good decent peopl wouldn kick dog beat elderli babi difficult for sinner genuin prayer life hear holi spirit hear love friend thi time holi spirit tell you that friend error you don want troubl righteou prayer great power don forget that christ lip and hand earth don afraid simpli voic truth situat call for fervent prayer and holi spirit for love and guidanc wai realiz brother keeper jesu and mari elizabeth
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talk.politics.guns	waco clinton press confer part articl apr ringer utsa edu whugh lonestar utsa edu william hugh write whugh lonestar utsa edu william hugh subject waco clinton press confer part date wed apr gmt articl feustelc netcom feustel netcom david feustel write predict that outcom studi wrong feder assault waco will result futur assault that type conduct full scale militari oper explicit shoot kill direct you mean aren fool rememb waco will govern decid murder you opinion mine don care you blame univers state don learn lesson histori hope that kent state taught lesson appar not appar govern will murder choos rawlin blake blake nevada edu sig good sig
talk.politics.guns	waco clinton press confer part notic question feder law violat brush law violat and evid origni batf warrant base
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talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor chiu nosc mil franci chiu write brent irvin irvin uxh cso uiuc edu wrote fail mention davidian pour kerosen and light plain view brent wait evid fire start not you you talk davidian pour kerosen stop and for second stove lamp knock and start fire and davidian pour water wrong solut doubt can state mind put you stand davidian you set place fire case you town microwav oven doesn work electricti fact you post time chiu fbi two member cult start fire and fbi never li second start opposit end compound time and thirdli fire spread quickli for not acceler stevek cellar org steve kraisler cellar bb
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talk.politics.guns	dayton gun bui back boston gun bui back articl uchu ffn cbnew att lvc cbnew att larri cipriani write wnci radio thi morn dayton ohio oper gun bui back give for function gun turn ran monei dai and pass voucher sort for fund oper anoth media event brought you hci similar pro gun peopl can for exampl pai lawfulli protect life firearm sound bit tacki hei work larri cipriani cipriani att idea free librari card can fbi uniform crime report show good hci ly teeth free rtd transit pass will anti gunner tour south central lo angel and convinc peopl live that don gun protect polic will for don lose pass you free bu ride vermont almost gun control and curious almost crime free calcul sinc anti gunner heretofor unabl figur small percentag gun own america us commit violent crime lee gaucher nra opinion gaucher sam cchem berkelei edu
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talk.politics.guns	articl apr iitmax iit edu draughn iitmax iit edu mark draughn write followup talk polit gun articl transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write articl ulowel ulowel edu jrutledg ulowel edu john lawrenc rutledg write person gun home time like die home gunshot like kill intrud sound appl orang case make obviou counter studi number for not gun home that ratio dy home gunshot kill intrud for peopl not gun home ratio unarm peopl shot death home unarm peopl kill intrud wors inquir mind want don thi specif ratio earlier post that gun time like defend includ time gun isn fire scare perpetr kill includ defens post kind long glad dig and email ask doug holland doug holland freedom holland colost edu speech will pry pgp kei mail cold dead lip
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl tenu nodak edu green plain nodak edu bill green write discuss thi incid move made and proper problem tactic watch abc special tonight cnn and nightlin question atf and fbi action koresh compound time feb raid and report such cowboi movi style attack need for reason wait result outcom answer worst thing that happen wait hint not wors that happen point fan janet reno had ball ahead and full respons waffl boi had problem figur stood issu that statement take full respons total meaningless consequ for fulli respons for thi disast note your personnel file slick call peopl bunch crazi peopl and dismiss idea resign doesn ball respons hell that rate will full respons for skin nose bob rahe delawar tech comm colleg aid drug abort internet bob hobb dtcc edu don liber kill you geni bob rahe save whale and kill babi
talk.politics.guns	holocaust revisit apr dct mcsdc jpb dct john bell dribbl nappi and manag splutter you john you had follow line talk polit gun you bit impli that you had backbon perhap modicum willing present your view and support guess peopl dumb give monei and possess gui jesu deserv that interest opinion that peopl dumb monarchi and support tax fund monarchi figurehead deserv that dunkirk for exampl that noth enjoi your help foot kill fed and kill peopl includ child last report feder agent not licens kill cnn indic that atf fbi start fire mean fed kill peopl you hot assign blame make you don overlook obviou not goddam hero montgomeri isn hero amaz thing side pond isn not that you make differ usa and for good reason you can vote your rhetor bit you wast tran atlant bandwidth dead happi proof posit that ignor bliss dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
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talk.politics.guns	gun american express card articl cmm thomasp surt ifi uio thoma parsli thomasp ifi uio write don rememb figur exactli death texa that caus gun thi bee kill car accid that low sentenc high poverti influenc figur pretti high texa liber gun law usa and you wrong that note that texa isn uniqu thi gun death car death state happen extrem strict gun law oop for mean isn clear that comparis mean car accid unintent gun death aren make honest not suffer agre thi live sociati and therefor give freedom note give for gun control doesn benefit fail thi standard you insur you pai note that insur return gun control doesn hell you live societi usa stilll count you saccrific question that half question rest and you for your sacrific answer second question noth for gun control don question get noth mean that sacrific justifi andi
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor previou articl jdurbin oracl jason durbin even half specul conspiraci made thi true expect that you peopl call for atf fbi texa ranger congress and branch govern immedi and completei disband except jeez you peopl beleiv thi crap you beleiv zionist occup govern and tooth fairi leav anti semit anti gun type holli silva fact call for disband batf for quit time outlaw agenc run incompet contempt for law supposedli enforc admittedli mistak made attribut malic stupid attribut act fbi stupid attribut act batf malic senat denni deconcini held hear misconduct you smarter you opinion
talk.politics.guns	arlen specter address articl apr ccsvax sfasu edu gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu write articl apr icd kdw icd kenneth whitehead write arlen spectr address want write and for show leadership demand congression investig into waco mess ken you talk man feder attornei frustrat proper investig jfk assassin hous sub committe assassin fox and hen hous note that comment not intend flame ken call for congression leadership conduct proper investig call attent hazard specter involv that apolog joe gaut super state not gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu matter happen rememb alamo truth govern choos rememb waco you justic happen jim garrison orlean
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl isgtec isgtec robert isgtec robert osborn write michael frederick rhein mfrhein wpi wpi edu wrote articl aej cmuvm bitnet aej cmuvm bitnet write napalm wood stove insid ignit point stove us warm dai texa not that agre origin theori buuuuut sinc util turn wood stove cook meal rob robert osborn uunet isgtec robert robert isgtec rob and that debat wood stove origin post claim that atf fbi pump napalm into build hope that wood stove insid ignit respon wood stove lit place wouldn lit for heat purpos weather texa claim that for cook stop and thi ga pump into build and presum that wear ga mask bought type makeshift type and thi had for hour don you expos ga part armi train that mask uncomfort and make your ey water nose run and make you sick stomach and mask difficult drink water eat question cook food will bui that lantern knock and caus fire that stove not us for cook even crazi atf fbi claim michael
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talk.politics.guns	your evil tax dollar work atf burn ranch etc etc mark mark sach mb psuvm psu edu repres student for increas beverag access siba write smoke and flame start place place apv start place tank punch hole wall and withdrew flame and spread quickli direct that mph wind blow diagram usa todai yesterdai and fire start hole that tank made terribl neglig accid and govern start fire weren peopl compound couldn marvel peopl burn aliv upstair stori hous fire happen time seal room avoid ga and didn fire surround rememb isra hide seal room desert storm avoid ga bear scud cripe mark you colleg student you stop worri increas beverag access and start clear your head heard question author and don even bother bui that you total clueless find tremend chill that peopl eager murder heavili arm religi cult despit evid contrari wellllll weren murder never harm even threaten attack paramilitari forc militari weapon and hardwar and evid you talk fed retract practic question detail you and your increas beverag access buddi sit bar slur stuff shoulda kill dai ago don feel that you peopl klinton give gui chanc don even gonna burp thought experi suppos thi exact thing happen bush administr your answer you prefer cultist don expect respons that challeng problem you don question that scare mind appar develop answer cking heartbeat thought experi you mindlessli your knee your mouth open blissfulli suck fed bush presid comeback ahead read lip tax that clinton elect peopl that campaign promiss respect onc into offic isn that politician elect not such great degre bush broke promis two tax gun and held account for part year slick offic dai and broken lot anddd imagin held account for that can campaign button abc clinton reason gummint decid slaughter eighti peopl plain evil wake dai stretch and yawn and throw dart map unit state figur oppress that dai eager hmmm appar you claim that stupid mistak bunch incompet public employe don thi kind scrutini mess and pick davidian figur that care such polit incorrect group bunch fundi texa prairi figur and run roughshod bd religi servic reason fed gave for time raid run into resist knew that bd weren anywher violent fed spin doctor public afraid thi kind thing crip and blood atf budget for approv and favor dramat whenev that case reason doesn matter and thi time peopl pai attent and bill clinton cooler theme music darth vader not you mean that stupid don stop think tomorrow diabol laughter heard hillari diabol giggl waffl man lost sens humor good cape don never fat and puffi face suit rose garden dai and couldn start teddi kennedi thing investig you don worri thing will investig back your beer you dimwit heard lot peopl compar bill clinton jimmi carter and record that don that fair jimmi carter veteran and had person charact and even can agre carter polici believ that tell truth understood can that for fat cat ken whitehead kdw odin icd
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi reveng articl mjone fenwai mjone donald aix kingston ibm write whugh lonestar utsa edu william hugh write call senat legisl and governor demand that warrant unseal and that involv thi atroc includ presid attornei gener and governor suspend pend investig amerika you want presid suspend pend investig you refer amerika guess you rememb your ironi supplement thi morn sigh standard procedur suspend law enforc offic assign administr enforc duti investig into misconduct administr indic that such suspens will occur thi case and that presid attornei gener and governor involv decis that led waco massacr suspend activ law enforc posit that equat enforc vacat rememb waco will govern decid murder you opinion mine don care you blame univers state
talk.politics.guns	you paranoid freak articl oinn clem handheld jmd cube handheld jim arra wrote not made mind waco group devot govern fanat will that govern shred doubt thought thier shrill whenev belief structur shaken kinda remind you bd doesn jim hell govern fanat your sweep gener evinc your ignor suppos fuck fuck atf time joe kusmierczak mail trincol edu
talk.politics.guns	clinton join list genocid socialist leader articl rnn rdt usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu brandon rai wrote perhap you rock last dai batf and fbi feder agenc clinton admit front new camera that janet reno onc and futur attornei gener gave full brief plan and gave ahead possibl that make teensi bit respons perhap you rock sinc turn centuri man suppos review singl freak government action dai that execut branch review plan and wasn architect and wasn bullhorn hand implement respons sens that brief shit happen that sound callou dismiss death peopl can understand peopl bent accident death suicid month total fuck sociopath child molest and craze follow oppos intervent bosnia billi boi you peopl time your hand and screw prioriti joe kusmierczak mail trincol edu
talk.politics.guns	clinton join list genocid socialist leader articl vinn clem handheld jmd cube handheld jim arra wrote you make two point ultim overse feder agenc you mention and sinc koresh appar view point your baptist upbring not worthi protect religi persecut messiah not christ comfort belong govern approv religion baptist cult two btw definit dictionari cult meet group baptist stockpil cambel soup and and bang marri thirteen yuear old you son bitch you can draw distinct two thing peopl you cheapen constitut defend sociopath aren deserv life and chill paranoia joe kusmierczak mail trincol edu
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi thing waco ditto great post joe kusmierczak mail trincol edu
talk.politics.guns	ammo fire waco burn articl xbwr world std htf world std harri carter write sunshin cco caltech edu tom renner write qheg ubvmsb buffalo edu vasilion write can you imagin happen magazin explod bullet fly imho gunshot wound caus magazin minor technic point cartridg contain for exampl chamber gun interest happen quot hatcher notebook sport arm and ammunit manufactur institut report demonstr made take larg quantiti metal cartridg and shotgun shell and burn fire oil soak wood cartridg and shell explod time time gener explos throw bullet shot distanc test men conduct remain fire injur materi cartridg and shell compos will not fly feet test conduct nation rifl associ rifl and pistol cartridg explod heat ordinari corrug pasteboard carton and fragment cartridg case bullet penetr cardboard scientist care thi kitchen year back you born that year you can legal drink found deep cistern that line put larg can industri size pork bean can stuf oili rag and scrap wood bottom light fire lower box spc swc into can heard pop solid bang and fizzzz shussss thought excit boldli climb find that bullet had left can shell lie bottom and board had di smoke inhal and shell had live primer dillon pyron opinion express dseg lewisvil vax support sender state home texan vote robin hood pyron skndiv dseg solut not gestur padi
talk.politics.guns	truth waco video origin batf attack church happen batf agent highest structur koresh room don recal batf agent higher roof lowest structur made assumpt that batf helo fire into tower info round roof
talk.politics.guns	clinton join list genocid socialist leader apr starbas trincol edu write meet group baptist stockpil cambel soup and and bang marri thirteen yuear old you son bitch you can draw distinct two thing peopl you cheapen constitut defend sociopath aren deserv life and chill paranoia not paranoid govern toadi even gui you talk origin you simpli not pai attent bunch peopl live lot gun nearbi not that wierd texa famili quiet taxpay extrem con vention view rifl and shotgun two person home mine don live anymor shotgun apart texa child protect servic love find child abus found repeat evid abus look and that kid releas evid that koresh bang wive not law stockpil weapon campbel soup hard evid form actual hardwar write thi prove had proscrib weapon feel looni indic that bother wrong wai for wrong reason and batf and fbi busi trumpet thi child abus angl hasn leg stand involv such abus case real danger rampag that offic state texa get per vers bit pleasur get torqu fed for fuck state semper jammer jim miller texa univers and don speak for bad us becom student bill system student bill system power find stand stand ordinari man rik emmet gil moor mike levin triumph
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talk.politics.guns	fbi director statement waco standoff that side stori that koresh met agent door weapon rememb affidavit that koresh had spent assault weapon past year and that bunker adjac hous thigh deep million round ammunit new statement that worth firearm and ammunit mention assault weapon premis not that koresh had purchas crime had thi averag per person not astronom number don that thigh deep pile million round that fbi pile million round thi heard that koresh identifi door weapon
talk.politics.guns	your evil tax dollar work atf burn ranch etc etc mark mark sach mb psuvm psu edu wrote smoke and flame start place place apv crush remain pressur propan tank found ruin compound kei word pressur that babi crush ga place and ignit pictur explos new ammo doesn onc kind firework propan ga big firebal gee that kind consist pictori histori show hmmmmm and govern start fire weren peopl compound rememb pressur ga peopl build conflagr minut huge explos ga mask worn inhabit make lot sens that insid even that tank damag thought normal fire put boom firebal that explos and concuss doubt insid build capabl move and don even bother good question object happen listen thing that fbi start fire bodi found gunshot wound that refut evid recov that fbi deliber make statement that ration basi fact and make sound fact find tremend chill that peopl eager murder heavili arm religi cult despit evid contrari thought experi suppos thi exact thing happen bush administr your answer you prefer cultist that fbi and batf stop string li and half truth thi consist oper numer occas and for murder not problem assault batf thought experi for you batf had never storm that farm agent and dead todai don expect respons that challeng that clinton elect peopl that campaign promiss respect onc into offic isn that politician elect that politician elect kind scari isn peopl held clinton promis apolog and deni that made and expect account govern doubt that debacl waco happen reason gummint decid slaughter eighti peopl plain evil wake dai stretch and yawn and throw dart map unit state figur oppress that dai eager acut batf checker histori stage raid thi sort prior time budget come for review oddli budget review two week initi raid coincid not and for fire happen caus act knock wall armor vehicl destruct fbi convinc world suicid fact that come investig texa ranger and medic examin point ga explos and quick fire that decim occup build sound law enforc agenc that cover ass and bill clinton cooler theme music darth vader diabol laughter good cape thing investig you you want argu argu you want demean thi differ you mark sach mb psuvm psu edu keith marchington
talk.politics.guns	you paranoid freak articl apr starbas trincol edu write articl oinn clem handheld jmd cube handheld jim arra wrote not made mind waco group devot govern fanat will that govern shred doubt thought thier shrill whenev belief structur shaken kinda remind you bd doesn jim hell govern fanat your sweep gener evinc your ignor suppos fuck fuck atf time joe kusmierczak mail trincol edu thi appar pass for intellig discours triniti joe fbi cultist kusmierczak get angri point that fbi told lie mount evid that li almost detail that can you expect cultist oughtta burn and trap good riddanc joe wayn warf wwarf uc indiana edu speak for clinton gore cia fbi dea assassin bomb wod bor atf ir resist nsa christian god satan apocalyps zog nazi socialist communist explos fundamentalist revolut nsc feder reserv constitut gold fema
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl apr icd kdw icd kenneth whitehead write dusek rtsg mot jame dusek write fbi start fire didn peopl flee burn build lot reason jame won survivor allow speak for fbi spokesman survivor interview return court basic kind suicid pact attempt rememb texa holocaust
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch updat articl klv transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write articl krt new cso uiuc edu irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin write articl uhuo awq usenet uc indiana edu wwarf silver uc indiana edu wayn warf write articl nate psygat psych indiana edu nate psygat psych indiana edu nathan engl write yeah inform trickl funni that work funni yeah funni you didn wait for fbi spokesdroid latest revers fact proclaim burn death you won govern and press not reliabl logic you base your statement wild specul lace healthi dose paranoia funni brent heard two version fact govern thi includ govern that two survivor koresh lawyer insid compound includ that survivor strang disagre import particular new report survivor speak hand feel free pitch miss monei that stori will sound hell lot case and not case sinc side interest tell truth you weigh fact each and weigh newsreport you care cult member will side attornei and ly chang stori match and fed lie cult member becom disillus will chang stori match fed side interest truth media interest don time straight tie rate and deliber distort for black soot billow compound ad fast fire spread pont dous larg part compound sort gasolin fire starter doubt fed that interest arrest vernon real unbalanc that lost cool vernon figur that like jesu persecut author and had follow hold made decis and follow felt that rocket heaven thi stuff thsi conclus umpteen million hour listen npr and radio show radio offic innocu talk show new program background nois person opinion brent irvin you irvin uxh cso uiuc edu
talk.politics.guns	you paranoid freak wrote articl oinn clem handheld jmd cube handheld jim arra wrote not made mind waco group devot govern fanat will that govern shred doubt thought thier shrill whenev belief structur shaken kinda remind you bd doesn jim hell govern fanat your sweep gener evinc your ignor suppos histori and fact that peacefulli mind busi thi correct action begin that direct result major media fuck that batf perpetr dai ago fuck fuck atf time joe kusmierczak mail trincol edu yep doubt bomb kook git yeah for resembl america that abid constitut for feel safe your home for right enumer bill right upheld bother effect govern that govern elit elit for elit joe attitud frighten you fact happen and inform you singl sourc fbi batf you happi pronounc guilti charg base thi side testimoni scari keith marchington
talk.politics.guns	fed caught anoth lie articl apr icd kdw icd kenneth whitehead write dai hear that bodi had shot head horror anoth jonestown craze cultist child abus whacko waco last night medic examin and pretti vehement deni that had bullet wound tad upset fed for spread that rumor gee shouldn hard practic principl flexibl realiti that big boss implement long kneejerk govern apologist start get pretti piss easili misl two note interest texa tarrant couonti autopsi for render judgement that contrari polic view present evid year ago that man polic point gun had hand air thi not bode for boi black texa dept public saftei and texa ranger great love for atf heard refer fuck cowboi dp total squeez oper and resent left traffic cop atf two strike final guess that make note rumour waco that atf agent stop waco polic car and dp trooper flash automat weapon cop lot piss cop and you cop cheer atf dillon pyron opinion express dseg lewisvil vax support sender state home texan vote robin hood pyron skndiv dseg solut not gestur padi
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl dusek shale dusek rtsg mot jame dusek write ccdarg dct alan greig write cultist quot bbc quot voic interview two british survivor claim that fire start tank caus intern wooden wall roof collaps knock kerosen lamp and that had suicid plan fbi start fire didn peopl flee burn build thi case unimport set fire davidian burn matter batf fbi set fire thi make beseig martyr vernon howel and rocket heaven comment remain davidian scatter countri confirm thi theori cult member that wish that had and that wait for vernon return for upset that not burn that vernon start fire follow incident reaction person opinion brent irvin you irvin uxh cso uiuc edu
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl scottj iamac dml georgetown edu scottj magic dml georgetown edu john scott write articl dusek shale dusek rtsg mot jame dusek wrote fbi start fire didn peopl flee burn build jame you you build peopl put you highli tens situat subject you sleep depriv remov your util march tank back front you plai record tortur rabbit high volum shine bright light your window threaten attack you time and cut you world for week time begin smash build you destroi passag and stair and spread debri time pump massiv quantiti nasti tear ga for six hour stop mean rel sane person god weak and will forgiv not stupid stai thi place longer want you hole small area sweati peopl hot dai build will fill smoke and becom inferno peopl small room will leav you and jim you don make won you agre that you want die peopl successfulli flee fire yeah and person ran back sound person choic religi fanaticsm and beleiv that dy defens your belief core happen waco west tend disregard fanaticsm type displai moslem fundamentalist group noth wrong dy for belief convict suspect that thi type fanaticsm displai bd never karl
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl isgtec isgtec robert isgtec robert osborn write michael frederick rhein mfrhein wpi wpi edu wrote articl aej cmuvm bitnet aej cmuvm bitnet write napalm wood stove insid ignit point stove us warm dai texa not that agre origin theori buuuuut sinc util turn wood stove cook meal run fire wood chop furnatur not cook eat mre and delicaci store for such occat thought brent awar that electr cut hundr mail messag and repli post irvin person opinion brent irvin you irvin uxh cso uiuc edu
talk.politics.guns	waco clinton press confer part articl apr edt neat toronto edu quoctp toronto edu quoc tuan pham write xref nntpd cxo dec misc legal talk polit gun alt activ path nntpd cxo dec dec decwrl am agat howland reston an net zaphod mp ohio state edu utexa edu utnut utcsri relai toronto edu neat toronto edu toronto edu quoctp newsgroup misc legal talk polit gun alt activ quoctp toronto edu quoc tuan pham subject waco clinton press confer part messag apr edt neat toronto edu organ depart comput scienc univers toronto refer apr node hub org date apr gmt line notic that clinton smile and make joke thi press confer number peopl kill thi inappropri notic that clinton refer davidian religi fanat that round spontan applaus burst report thi not poor tast show media bia and hostil not polit correct stripe cheerlead for kgbatf and fbi thi affair rod collectiv individu ancient conflict men come close truth destroi each time and civil fell anoth civil progress societi privaci savag exist public rule law tribe civil process set man free men ayn rand roark speech fountainhead don speak for compani hire polit correct that
talk.politics.guns	two question articl utkvm utk edu utkvm utk edu david veal write articl sbanka templ edu sbanka templ edu write give two question bradi bill new happen congress bush veto bradi bill pass hous fail reach vote senat such never reach bush sarah bradi condemn not withstand joint hous senat confer committ report crime bill for congress contain bradi bill dai wait period di and never for vote hous pass hous and will pass senat can vote whether not busi thing will question year clinton support pass larri cipriani cipriani att
talk.politics.guns	gun control tue apr gmt pete zakel phz cadenc wrote articl apr mtu edu cescript mtu edu charl scripter write you didn even capit correct read usca constitut correct version constitut thi stupid nitpick capit rule late centuri quit todai and post match current capit rule pete zakel don worri capit rule punctuat inform sentenc structur worri whether text close origin sarcasm intend origin constitut militia arm etc capit simpli noun thi german special signific word simpli capit capit denot special emphasi you didn understand grumbl correct version constitut indic that wrong copi modern modern capit rule thing spell and even version grammar modern don worri modern grammar won chang mean text found version constitut network and accuraci matter charl scripter cescript phy mtu edu dept physic michigan tech houghton govern great thing drawn washington centr power will render powerless check provid govern anoth and will becom venal and oppress govern separ thoma jefferson
talk.politics.guns	you shoot articl uicvm uic edu jason kratz uicvm uic edu write heard opinion thi subject and hear peopl net you situat you pull gun you give chanc decid continu action and you end shoot and kill question you you stai and wait for cop you collect your brass you semi auto and provid you don that you kind law book thi type situat like thing happen you you stai and wait and offens happen you you and you caught massachusett you will like arrest for murder you convinc cop that you us lethal forc threat death bodili harm charg drop you run and caught you will harder time convinc cop judg juri your innoc lam indic guilt lot peopl jim lacei opinion email att cbnewsl jlacei jlacei cbnewsl att venon nou que somm nou allon nou
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl bigboot wpi edu mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein write napalm wood stove insid ignit for heat purpos weather texa claim that for cook stop and thi thi thread redicul care had stove not matter had stove burn lantern burn candl burn smoke etc etc etc premis that fbi fill hous napalm that catch fire thi crazi fbi not pump napalm into davidian home you will pretti damn strong evid convinc that can mass suicid murder koresh can accid davidian can accid fbi can easili mass stupid side can not that fbi lit thi fire intention chri bartz chrisb natinst
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch updat articl new cso uiuc edu irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin write articl vgme goa usenet uc indiana edu wwarf silver uc indiana edu wayn warf write articl krt new cso uiuc edu irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin write articl uhuo awq usenet uc indiana edu wwarf silver uc indiana edu wayn warf write articl nate psygat psych indiana edu nate psygat psych indiana edu nathan engl write yeah inform trickl funni that work funni yeah funni you didn wait for fbi spokesdroid latest revers fact proclaim burn death you won govern and press not reliabl logic you base your statement wild specul lace healthi dose paranoia post press not you wish medic examin refut fbi fact and you don lot reason imparti you for you moron illiter fact that fbi will grant thi for sake argument read proclaim mondai suddenli weren fact anymor tuesdai press confer you don pai attent sourc you abandon your critic think disregard sourc inform li and distort and substitut your pet theori like you wild untruth base your theori fact report media and govern fact report press and imparti govern sourc support beed evid set fire deliber you simpleton evid fire set deliber testamoni survivor and tape show fire set place and petrochem soot that fire give indic kerosin gasolin feed fire testimoni press confer fbi had testimoni survivor report cnn and newsdai wire servic that survivor gave consist stori refut fbi light and heat kerosin you prove you idiot you not you total paranoid skeptic point visibl watch tape fire and start bbq grill you base your statement forgot you gui that doesn microwav oven electr never mind listen npr watch cnn nbc read paper you open your ey and ear sourc report your full shit person opinion brent irvin you irvin uxh cso uiuc edu wayn warf wwarf uc indiana edu speak for clinton gore cia fbi dea assassin bomb wod bor atf ir resist nsa christian god satan apocalyps zog nazi socialist communist explos fundamentalist revolut nsc feder reserv constitut gold fema
talk.politics.guns	fbi director statement waco standoff branch davidian not violent and not plan start violenc compound assault atf fire back agre ceas fire and allow atf care for wound even releas atf agent captur clear releas agent and allow atf medic attent that not for troubl violent held atf agent hostag not releas had agent hostag us bargen chip for medic attent etc big thing made collect weapon shown that had plan us appar that not militari train had dug bunker and trench and increas fortif shot light and speaker appear that not violent shot back attack atf agent panic shot fire last dai respons fbi attack compound armor violenc waco initi feder agent not rod anderson nzo accept substitut boulder for brain silenc rcander nyx edu solomon short satellit nzo
talk.politics.guns	waco fire flash frequent occurr indoor fire fire will start small and locat and heat air temperatur room build and inflamm room catch fire onc thi occur compound heard report that window cover permit fire start unnot compound fire big and broke wall appear start two place big fire larg quantiti tear ga insert into build that women and children room free tear ga seal door tear ga learn that fire had broken late for escap trap flame safe room find hard that fbi not record final assault that want tape show agent fbi overcom forc evil aka branch davidian tape fbi prove that not excess forc rod anderson nzo accept substitut boulder for brain silenc rcander nyx edu solomon short satellit nzo
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch updat articl new cso uiuc edu irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin write for black soot billow compound ad fast fire spread pont dous larg part compound sort gasolin fire starter experi coupl hous burn doesn acceler lot black soot plenti stuff hous that will burn dirti even asphalt shingl make sooti smoke standard disclaim
talk.politics.guns	clinton join list genocid socialist leader articl hydra gatech edu prism gatech edu cochran jame shapleigh write btw screw bad hurt kill pm brigad command and possibl region command expect good amount heat possibl includ reassign seperationfrom servic pm not promot and shortli thereaft ask retir thi call account pm knew activ person kill nail for fail ensur that proper safeti measur didn nail for improp supervis can hold presid lower standard subordin brief fbi raid ask intend flush presid not compet plan judg plan such raid job set basic polici and manag peopl clinton instruct reno preserv live and confirm that plan for raid safe job presid not involv minor detail kind oper thi sort micromanag lead disast demonstr vietnam raid bad civilian kill contront author clinton enter pictur big will clinton start investig will squash attempt investig respons leader interest protect imag administr find thi unfold mark draughn draughn iitmax iit edu sysmark iitvax bitnet academ comput illinoi institut technolog street chicago illinoi
talk.politics.guns	effect calibr jtchew csa lbl gov absurdum per aspera write psc sei cmu edu peter capel rec martial art such weapon develop societi not condon possess us joe wrote peter respond articl confus your post suppos didn make clear you exactli opposit impress intend suppos author term societi carri and us firearm part countri part live and expect aw lot explain and appear trend societi larg that activ oppos defend part societi handgun ban restrict practic unavail law abid citizen for defens home funni crimin such place continu lush suppli gun and compunct imho you don polit philosoph crime victim realiz that flaw gun grabber logic agre you your amend import second don your obviou good intent subvert insupport gener big and divers societi intent comment that exist suitabl weapon defens doesn mean you escap shitload troubl you forc us naiv hope that make gun possess crime will give paus crimin made such statement such naiv hope outlook wish you peac and wherewith defend thought not that kindli that want opportun leav peac mean defend that not agre thi issu guess posit didn surviv transit cognit ascii garri hodgson slow winter dai bell lab night forev garri alic att sink stone att alic garri float feather
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor karl auerbach write peopl successfulli flee fire yeah and person ran back sound person choic religi fanaticsm and beleiv that dy defens your belief core happen waco religi fanatic peopl back time home afir firefight restrain want rush back effort save thing photo keepsak stamp collect cash book jeweleri pet wive and husband babi
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talk.politics.guns	you paranoid freak articl apr starbas trincol edu write articl oinn clem handheld jmd cube handheld jim arra wrote not made mind waco group devot govern fanat will that govern shred doubt thought thier shrill whenev belief structur shaken kinda remind you bd doesn jim hell govern fanat your sweep gener evinc your ignor suppos fuck fuck atf time time murder us tank had evid indict list present date haven illeg claim that bought compon convert weapon class iii devic evid that had fact class iii ffl live thi legal recent court rule you meant that atf and lwaful thing you want dead dillon pyron opinion express dseg lewisvil vax support sender state home texan vote robin hood pyron skndiv dseg solut not gestur padi
talk.politics.guns	clipper chip articl apr new columbia edu pe cunixf columbia edu paul eric stoufflet write thought that clipper chip that post lost origin post joke didn for second work thi morn heard npr joke anoth copi for you save npr hmmm mention part fact law enforc access escrow kei will not conceal american public newsgroup talk polit gun path rtp psinntp uunet new claremont edu elroi jpl nasa gov sdd decwrl dec uibois idbsu edu blh blh uibois idbsu edu broward horn messag inet dec subject heil clinton date sun apr mdt receiv usenet dec mon apr receiv inet dec mon apr receiv uibois idbsu edu sun apr talk polit gun usenet mailer elm revis line subject matter thi post not directli relat talk polit gun that inform will interest larg number reader latest batf escapad clipper csrc ncsl nist gov clipper chip announc subject white hous public encrypt manag fact sheet messag lgaz dove nist gov sender new dove nist gov organ nation institut standard technolog distribut date fri apr gmt line note releas white hous todai conjunct announc clipper chip encrypt technolog fact sheet public encrypt manag presid approv direct public encrypt manag direct for advanc telecommun and commerci encrypt part wave comput and commun technolog encrypt product scrambl inform protect privaci commun and data prevent unauthor access advanc telecommun system us digit technolog rapidli and precis handl high volum commun advanc telecommun system integr infrastructur need ensur econom competit inform ag despit benefit commun technolog can frustrat law govern electron surveil sophist encrypt can thi effect unit state export abroad can us thwart foreign intellig activ critic nation interest past preserv govern capabl conduct electron surveil further legitim law enforc and nation secur interest time protect privaci and civil liberti citizen encrypt technolog improv will requir innov approach area commun encrypt govern develop microcircuit that not privaci encrypt that substanti robust current govern standard permit escrow kei need unlock encrypt system for escrow kei will govern gain access encrypt inform legal author assist law enforc and govern agenc collect and decrypt legal author electron transmit inform herebi direct action instal govern develop microcircuit attornei gener unit state repres request manufactur commun hardwar incorpor encrypt instal govern develop kei escrow microcircuit product fact law enforc access escrow kei will not conceal american public step ensur that exist futur version kei escrow microcircuit made wide commun hardwar manufactur consist ensur secur kei escrow system make thi decis not intend prevent privat sector develop govern approv microcircuit algorithm that equal effect assur privaci and secur kei escrow system kei escrow attornei gener make arrang entiti hold kei for kei escrow microcircuit instal commun equip each case kei holder agre strict secur procedur prevent unauthor releas kei kei releas govern agenc that establish author acquir content commun that encrypt devic contain microcircuit attornei gener review for legal suffici procedur agenc establish author acquir content such commun procur and us encrypt devic secretari commerc consult agenc initi process write standard facilit procur and us encrypt devic fit kei escrow microcircuit feder commun system that process sensit unclassifi inform expect thi process proce schedul that will permit promulg final standard six month thi direct attornei gener will procur and util encrypt devic extent need preserv govern abil conduct law electron surveil and fulfil for secur law enforc commun attornei gener util fund depart justic asset forfeitur super surplu fund effect thi purchas
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl mgb slacvm slac stanford edu mgb slacvm slac stanford edu write numer account compound fire start armour vehicl crush larg propan tank and turn numer ga lantern larg propan tank and breach don you that identifi explos member reason lie gov medic examin found bullet wound state fbi corps autopsi bodi thi inform releas wouldn doubt find tremend chill that peopl will accept govern stori despit evid contrari evid that exist claim and counter claim wait hard evid releas you mitchel todd mst zeu tamu edu
talk.politics.guns	fbi director statement waco standoff articl intellect emcguir intellect mcguir write apr aio jsc nasa gov new aio jsc nasa gov usenet new brenda kenworthi write and anoth thing that puzzl find dead bodi insid had bullet hole don you that koresh shot traitor let wouldn put past that hit round explod extrem heat rememb that cop for hour heard that bodi found shot not coron death medic examin new found evid gunshot wound bodi examin thi continu case will sort shoot hole pun intend fbi stori wouldn and cartridg firearm not launch bullet fire gun bullet move brass case that fly and lethal forc will hurt not kill you doubt wil penetr coat for exampl independ investig full subpoena power and power prosecut feloni charg investig for illeg crimin activ part batf and fbi cannot reason not us phrase us noth hide and vigor support note that intern investig dept justic not independ investig pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl tenu nodak edu green plain nodak edu bill green write koresh compound time feb raid local sheriff state that anytim want talk koresh had call and koresh come point fan janet reno had ball ahead and full respons waffl boi had problem figur stood issu full agre you ridicul that not even talk janet reno tuesdai talk wendel hubbel attornei gener hopefulli investig will answer bizarr question kati
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl bigboot wpi edu mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein write rob and that debat wood stove origin post claim that atf fbi pump napalm into build hope that wood stove insid ignit respon wood stove lit place wouldn lit for heat purpos weather texa statement dead wrong local poster confirm that quit chilli that morn claim that for cook argu that not unreason for woodstov oper stop and thi ga pump into build and presum that wear ga mask bought type makeshift type and thi had for hour don you expos ga part armi train that mask uncomfort and make your ey water nose run and make you sick stomach and mask difficult drink water eat question cook food you miss earlier post physica woodstov you can turn your woodstov and your ga rang stai time even stai for hour you shut work woodstov aren shut spring cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	arlen specter address articl apr nntpd lkg dec william bagel enet dec bryan william write articl vmcm csuohio edu vmcm csuohio edu write articl apr icd kdw icd kenneth whitehead write arlen spectr address want write and for show leadership demand congression investig into waco mess had arlen address hous weasel live hous hole and person pathet idiot arlen personif word jerk snip fan arlen spectr thing and attack motiv thi case wrong pardon don trust spectr motiv spectr major part warren commiss rememb magic bullet theori and not trust even tiniest chanc guv mint wrong get chanc afraid will satisfi public outcri anoth whitewash and batf disband fold into fbi etc end effici agenc bumbl and competit todai agent fire prosecut bumbl retain liberti that monei applaud disband bartf stress person respons goon set assault american citizen not count spectr rjl rich loether snail mail univers pittsburgh idea email rjl pitt edu comput and info servic mine voic epsilon drive fax pittsburgh mine
talk.politics.guns	natur waco ga articl apr icd kdw icd kenneth whitehead write real interest report cnn last night ga that us ban intern law for militari us presid quick point that exempt for law enforc hmmm inhuman us war enemi for civilian whoa twice you want standard appli hollowpoint cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	gun bui back articl vmcm csuohio edu vmcm csuohio edu write articl apr rti rti org jb rti rti org write articl vmcm csuohio edu vmcm csuohio edu write gun buyback program will hopefulli impact accident shoot youth domest disput gun heat emot and anger and gun stolen and us street level crime you idea that gun buyback program will impact thing evid don misinterret joe make point tha evid effect gun buyback program hopefulli effect prevent injuri death type common incid hopefulli effect polici will hopefulli effect polici will you made statement describ like outcom polici perhap polici worthi consider statement not base polici decis firearm lead unintent death children ag and group center prevent handgun violenc nation coalit ban handgun interest name chang don you includ murder and suicid firearm lead unintent death figur don includ murder and suicid mean unintent death can you past bullshit don understand ratio accident death import gun don kill children car accid differ sever death and death not us accident gun relat death children justif for gun control convinc that accident gun death children problem assum that human person concern year hold parent gun bedroom drawer and accid blew friend accident death thing anti gun group insist and that accident death firearm stastic problem and even you don us death justif for gun control group jump conclus your reason for mention accident death due firearm that warrant concern light your statement that you staunch support gun control measur conclus reason fact remain that tragic individu accident gun death not problem statist speak explain you symbol offer good point gun buyback program almost run polic depart stress stress good give peopl impress that polic attempt respond interperson gun violenc uniqu thought that had made clear that not that gun buyback program wasn clear thought you waffl your view buyback program talk symbol offer and hopefulli prevent accid and heat passion shoot disagre count can understand bui gun peopl aren intend misus want us gun commit crime aren turn constru posit for polic respond interperson violenc suggest you back and wherev you statist suspect you find you carefulli that number student estim carri weapon not necessarili gun school onc past year and not number student carri gun school daili joe suggest that you talk center prevent handgun violenc peopl publish figur that children commit suicid handgun alon each year fbi commit suicid method per year you peopl call ag children scream carnag nation children caus handgun center for diseas control agenc that consid accident shoot children such statist problem that state object healthi peopl document enact law state requir manufactur handgun make handgun difficult fire minim likelihood accident intent dscharg children agenc that fund studi pronounc that gun ban had save live gave number basi number shoot rate shoot wasn fault that popul drop post law period you carefulli you will that you greatli underestim presenc gun live youth cphv report that youth bring gun school daili and that bring gun school onc year cdc estim that high school student carri gun school onc conced longer number onc read retract disput your number greatli interest cphv and cdc number cdc that million elementari ag latch kei children kid come home school empti hous access gun home thi hell elementari school home empti hous gun thi problem didn touch gun had taught not had taught not mess gasolin garag fuse box car knive oven and tool problem not gun parent california school report increas student gun confisc and and increas and florida report percent increas gun incid school amd statist and state kid find gun noth crimin prosecut expuls case not even suspens gun slap kid wrist ain aw and back normal wrong thi pictur word wrong dad meant that put children situat fortifi compound harm come not act messiah opinion not that koresh had control children directli hope that messiah not innoc children die don koresh messiah isn obviou that believ forc evil come destroi believ children safer insid compound didn sane that behav pretti ration manner thought thought had place harm wouldn come claim messiah and peopl such not parent free children let burn aliv you find exit unbarricad and flee fire you awak for dai loudspeak and subject six hour tank knock your wall and tear ga assault joe
talk.politics.guns	gun control articl transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write stuff delet teflon bullet bill propos nra includ you mean hci teflon bullet ban damn common hunt ammunit final bill that outlaw sale teflon bullet and teflon bullet law enforc commun guess wrote joe boi your belov nra snip followup cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet joe joe preiser bell laboratori azoun cormyr att room cormyr azoun napervil napervil
talk.politics.guns	clinton join list genocid socialist leader articl apr starbas trincol edu meet group baptist stockpil cambel soup and and bang marri thirteen yuear sic old numer baptist that you hang you haven behavior trait stock food for week own firearm definit cult proof david aquitt lead you that bang marri thirteen year old your wife that you equat marriag bang you son bitch you can draw distinct two thing sinc thi gui doesn concept freedom religion insult you and your mom peopl you cheapen constitut defend sociopath aren deserv life and chill paranoia sociopath person asoci antisoci beahavior sociopath person can stand peopl share ranch hous joe kusmierczak mail trincol edu suddenli becom clear discov net spring random
talk.politics.guns	you paranoid freak articl apr starbas trincol edu write hell govern fanat your sweep gener evinc your ignor suppos you sit your home read good book your neighbor you quiet upstand citizen random person anonym call author and tell you beat your children sleep neighbor wimmen and bunch nasti machin gun suppos fuck fuck atf time suppos send men hors trailer automat weapon storm your roof and throw grenad your hous warn subject you nois tortur and tell nation new media for month filthi son bitch you suppos ga you and knock your hous bit manag collaps fire equal conclus hope your neighbor don tumbl thi that crave for ringsid seat cheap dramat local entertain expens even your expens won read you your right joe you had us for joe kusmierczak mail trincol edu cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor apr rigel tamu edu mst rigel tamu edu write articl mgb slacvm slac stanford edu mgb slacvm slac stanford edu write numer account compound fire start armour vehicl crush larg propan tank and turn numer ga lantern larg propan tank and breach don you that identifi explos blast consist petroleum product that propan interest stuff doesn explod contact air for tank ruptur explod like that compound equip outlet run tank damag cev ruptur ga line allow ga spread unnot fume and gener excit propan typic distinct odor ad for thi reason smell leak reach flame spark and whooosh fire and explos us pretti common texa semi rural area member reason lie gov thi true fbi batf track record thi incid bad find tremend chill that peopl will accept govern stori despit evid contrari evid that exist claim and counter claim wait hard evid releas you disarm peopl fbi thi polici not make claim evid and evid refut stori semper jammer jim miller texa univers and don speak for bad us becom student bill system student bill system power find stand stand ordinari man rik emmet gil moor mike levin triumph
talk.politics.guns	onc time american and european univers full angri young peopl that want overthrow govern and wouldn twice lob molotov cocktail nation guard militari polic europ bad form system face thi end sixti and begin seventi told young rememb wrong happen afraid west comfort born late disappoint youth todai half smili impli differ line peopl wall and execut and caus death neglig imcompet honestli hope wit altern horribl contempl abus children compound safer ramiro cgwillm pyr swan
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl apr rigel tamu edu mst rigel tamu edu mitchel todd write larg propan tank and breach don you that identifi explos videotap explos look due propan offici version ammunit evid that exist claim and counter claim wait hard evid releas you that hard evid will releas standard disclaim
talk.politics.guns	clinton join list genocid socialist leader joe kusmierczak mail trincol edu wrote peopl you cheapen constitut defend sociopath aren deserv constitut isn for sociopath normal peopl mustn constitut cheapen appli you disgust john scott
talk.politics.guns	waco survivor april articl apr zeu tamu edu mst zeu tamu edu mitchel todd write david koresh lawyer that come peacefulli sooner fbi and atf had noth time hand escal situat and thi senseless tragedi job protect public and save live not kill peopl for cry loud koresh had li and li and li come compound fbi lawyer hear thi assert thi form come govern sourc two concern not readi stipul that koresh promis come for promis and last promis promis condit audio tape nation exposur never broadcast local chop fashion and that and even cleverli cut part demand nation exposur not cleverli that didn hear last promis condit finish manuscript never that fbi etc can wait forev for koresh come long thought that koresh intend surrend peacefulli lost hope that decid strang previou dai prepar wait long take mondai tactic silli and clumsi intend drive davidian compound not kill koresh and follow quit argument intent not mark divid line guilt and innoc line murder and neglig manslaught true read paper that govern listen devic insid compound pick order burn joint shortli fire start wait tape hold thi interest develop davidian tell truth ly save skin murder charg result blaze koresh lawyer attornei for surviv davidian interest claim that gov caus fire gov interest blame koresh for fire physic evid that will decid tell tempt for survivor state evid parrot fbi stori hang suicid koresh claim stai gunpoint etc thi week doesn prove strong indic that fbi stori dead wrong cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	dividian black articl apr medtron medtron medtron robert nehl write kenneth whitehead kdw icd wrote oleari cbnewsh att brian leari write question for media and polit correct peopl compound black and gui ninja suit davidian black question
talk.politics.guns	fbi director statement waco standoff nice gui rcander nyx edu wrote branch davidian not violent and not plan start violenc compound assault atf fire back agre ceas fire and allow atf care for wound even releas atf agent captur clear releas agent and allow atf medic attent that not for troubl thi heard captur and releas atf agent info thi rob
talk.politics.guns	you paranoid freak articl inneph cronkit central sun dbernard clesun central sun write want murder had dai thi come time didn even put children buri bu underground bunker seig put into tower die ga lighter heavier air you heavier air chemic weapon jame cochran danger doubt run thi space prism gatech edu circl scream and shout for rent
talk.politics.guns	reno fascist dog articl apr new columbia edu pgf cunixb columbia edu peter garfiel freeman write janet reno laud for decis attack compound davidian mean last thing thi countri gun tote hick want end world atf marshal fbi and local polic forc make concert effort rid scourg rebelli freak welch ein wonn welch ein leiden pete dedic holocaust memori museum presid clinton remark evil repres thi museum incontest wit remain adversari world live stop fabric histori and bulli clinton made thi comment shortli give janet reno ahead hastili construct ga chamber and crematorium waco fiftieth anniversari warsaw upris wasn mondai anniversari paul rever ride that clue joe gaut super state not gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu matter happen rememb alamo truth govern choos rememb waco you justic happen jim garrison orlean
talk.politics.guns	mormon and jew apr midwai uchicago edu thf kimbark uchicago edu ted frank write koreshian rub mormon jew propens for dous kerosen not concern blame jim jone govern suggest that davidian commit suicid complet evid for editori word propens for allegedli dous and survivor claim fbi start burn accident ignit kerosen lantern rememb that cut power and propan tank thi sound lot like commit suicid set place afir david meyer dmeyer math gatech edu encrypt outlaw outlaw will
talk.politics.guns	law retribut articl lteid inn appserv eng sun fiddler concertina eng sun steve hix write mcelwain net that thi gui will not post heard thi week that start compuserv fly model forum sigh cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	waco clinton press confer part articl blake nevada edu blake nevada edu rawlin blake write hope that kent state taught lesson appar not appar govern will murder choos that despit claim that kent state fire shotgun soldier projectil that can prove direct soldier rock john haugh pgp utexa edu rpp jfh bell dof jfh rpp cactu org
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl jinn charnel ecst csuchico edu nomad ecst csuchico edu michael larish articl apr stortek vojak icebucket stortek bill vojak write senat and rep call white hous comment line hold for minut lot peopl call call your congress critter comment line gener note poll and show larg major think that thi incid handl and think that fbi and batf gave time dai come that happen that wrong bunch peopl for instanc peopl murder rampag and lynch black and poll show that major peopl that thi accept thi mean that peopl isn bad thi exampl mob rule not democraci democraci peopl right protect hope that made clear thi make point your outrag todai behaviour and not outrag fine you hold opinion that you want you thi you outrag thi tragedi hope that you your opinion david koresh and follow not withstand sinc batf chief higgen and janet reno sign thi plan demand that fire commend interest hear your reason point that even fire set insid build direct result action fbi batf and peopl insid includ children deserv trial thi want exactli you expect can clock new fbi and batf agent surround waco compound dai don gave chanc had dai surrend proper author had attorni repres etc koresh li time and time don dead you can stalem forev time and fbi and batf happen unfortun accept long fbi didn set fire intention michael larish amateur radio callsign ctz nomad ecst csuchico edu golden empir amateur radio societi gear rhc california state chico state amateur radio societi csar univers chico butt counti sheriff search rescu scott kennedi brewer and patriot david koresh cheap thug interpret bibl barrel gun atf spokesman atf cheap thug interpret constitut barrel gun batf cigarett cop fbi fuehrer bureau inciner
talk.politics.guns	clinton join list genocid socialist leader articl apr starbas trincol edu write comfort belong govern approv religion baptist cult two btw definit dictionari cult meet group baptist stockpil cambel soup and mormon and bang marri thirteen yuear old for fact that thi happen state texa wasn and held trial prove you son bitch you can draw distinct two thing can top two thing perfectli legal bottom isn person can distinguish you peopl you cheapen constitut defend sociopath aren deserv constitut for peopl you approv fine fine refer that elit bigotri neg life and chill paranoia know that peopl you warm fuzzi joe kusmierczak mail trincol edu cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	clinton join list genocid socialist leader articl apr starbas trincol edu write articl vinn clem handheld jmd cube handheld jim arra wrote you make two point ultim overse feder agenc you mention and sinc koresh appar view point your meet group baptist stockpil cambel soup and and bang marri thirteen yuear old you hmm report texa author that children group releas show sign child abus that result found last time group investig for such alleg can pretti state that strongli suspect govern disinform decept thi issu and stockpil weapon food recogn relig group practic maintain year suppli food and even maintain suppli weapon and ammunit two fact ground for arm assault and dollar weapon purchas bought decent firearm come handgun rifl and shotgun for each adult extra that rule batf readi for fight life assault alabama jame cochran danger doubt run thi space prism gatech edu circl scream and shout for rent
talk.politics.guns	your evil tax dollar work atf burn ranch etc etc articl apr hpcvusn kam keith marchington write good question object happen listen thing that fbi start fire bodi found gunshot wound that refut evid recov that fbi deliber make statement that ration basi fact and make sound fact that anoth sad thing expect thi sort shit batf goddamn disappoint fbi us profession cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl tenu nodak edu green plain nodak edu bill green write shed light fire wide report etc that wit folk start fire report that fire broke place onc rule bradlei knock lamp etc discuss thi incid move made and proper problem tactic watch abc special tonight cnn and nightlin question atf and fbi action koresh compound time feb raid into town fairli and jog thi even month period watch wonder batf ahead had warn interview batf agent that expect and had media tow almost want romp and nice show for media and hell never act violent surrend peacefulli warrant serv peacefulli alleg and found not guilti justif for thi mess alleg purchas worth gun and stuff undetermin time period last heard thi not crime indic individu that gun fly door shoot talk raid grenad shoot can that stun grenad that can you cannot cannot that figur not calcul fed calcul drug siezur even issu wasn bother batf doesn folk govt peopl effect gun and unapprov relig group requir not offend batf dai hope hasn come that point not add independ investig and assum fbi batf preserv evid wait result outcom had premisi bug inclin wait save live wonder didn emerg gear hand move and didn turn water fire observ gee water long fire gear even show build had pretti finish burn fireman safeti isn that decis firefight allow make water didn fed turn back cut quickli possibl settl score fbi action blare loudspeak etc action and question action gener proper reserv point fan janet reno had ball ahead and full respons waffl boi had problem figur stood issu take respons mean you face jail time act found crimin you face repercuss fbi batf found act wrongli don nice gimmick not assur will even independ investig for wrongdo crimin act part batf fbi expect hear law enforc wouldn that question end issu want independ investig full prosecut and subpoena power feloni prosecut feloni act found fat chanc bet bet justic dept will intern investig will turn poor judgement hope wrong that thi fine tooth comb pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl dusek shale dusek rtsg mot jame dusek write ccdarg dct alan greig write cultist quot bbc quot voic interview two british survivor claim that fire start tank caus intern wooden wall roof collaps knock kerosen lamp and that had suicid plan fbi start fire didn peopl flee burn build assum fire caus lantern and stove knock tank push wall shake build pretti good perhap didn flee flee meant enter fire side surround fire and rubbl final combin tearga and combust gass overcam and envelop word trap flame heat fume and rubbl that sound plausabl not dramat korash forc stai shoot shot victim found plausabl pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
talk.politics.guns	street stori articl apr zeu calpoli edu sparker tuba calpoli edu sean lawrenc parker write caught last bit street stori segment woman and gun caught ey that two woman shown program mass and carri conceal can you obtain ccw mass for ordinari citizen ccw issu discret polic chief vari town town town forget target and sport carri and gun club hunt area you moneybag larg daili deposit your life isn worth shit your monei that import town treat law abid citizen adult secret game hint you never rule will chang chang polic chief can throw town side board fun for famili chief will grant you person protect permit you attack threaten blue suit asshol count thi neg applic crap shoot and your right stake cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	waco cross post talk polit gun can polit mark salyzyn mark mg ampr org wrote cmk world std charl kozierok write waco texa govern take care doesn long you belong govern sanction religion excus didn gun ladden cult member threaten shoot and kill peopl threaten neighbour thought strang kind peopl you want live door version batf serv search warrant jump hors trailer gun and toss concuss grenad thi true order event cult not that search warrant serv and sinc proof that gui polic cult had defend torch show briliant tactic and convinc reali belong societi you watch actual footag fire start finish not clear that fire wasn start tank peopl surviv claim that fire start tank knock kerosen lantern fbi claim that cult start fire reali belong societi catchi phrase person wait texa ranger pass judgment don you interest fact waco incid origin assault conduct batf offic wear assort type camouflag cnn type hard press identifi bunch gui bring your battl fatigu uniform offic law even claim polic batf ly begin had handgun origin footag show batf offic roof top get shot had assault sub machin gun gun sub machin gun and shotgun quarter weapon you can gun you gun for job didn had gun that shoot door thi gun that won shoot household door hous wall for that matter sinc offic bureau alcohol tobacco and firearm that ly incred incompet not mention crimin neglig shoot bullet that will stop encount plywood had search warrant had arrest warrant wait had yeah that ticket and child molest and make drug mention rocket launcher stori batf and fbi spokespeopl chang daili and claim get increasingli outrag sieg fbi and batf claim that biggest concern that koresh and follow mass suicid claim that that and that surpris that huh that fbi and batf grain two salt rob robert osborn uunet isgtec robert robert isgtec
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl nlsun oracl jdurbin oracl jason durbin write even half specul conspiraci made thi true expect that you peopl call for atf fbi texa ranger congress and branch govern immedi and completei disband except not prove you don understand jeez you peopl beleiv thi crap you beleiv zionist occup govern and tooth fairi live bomb cambodia lai inflat bodi count vietnam fund noreiga waterg contrag chappaquiddick kent state domest spy cia edwin mees pornographi commiss war drug civil seizur move disast disast and waco you that govern admittedli mistak made attribut malic stupid watch new for coupl month watch thi govern initi debacl turn into shout for gun control start cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	chang name articl seelow hudson luce write suggest anoth name chang thoma parsli vidkun quisl thi uncal for you cannot expect european grow cultur ruler and subject immedi grasp concept individu independ and citizen sovereign fault countrymen can grasp cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	onc time articl apr swan pyr cgwillm pyr swan willmersdorf write american and european univers full angri young peopl that want overthrow govern and wouldn twice lob molotov cocktail nation guard militari polic europ bad form system face thi end sixti and begin seventi told young rememb wrong happen afraid west comfort born late disappoint youth todai isn iron that gener and rememb lesson cry post domest edu site that naiv swallow govern fit feed contrast such post differ line peopl wall and execut and caus death neglig imcompet honestli hope wit altern horribl contempl suspect injustic impli let involv escap investig and prosecut horribl contempl cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	gun talk state legisl updat articl lairdb crash ct lairdb crash ct laird broadfield write sgg bnv cbnew att lvc cbnew att larri cipriani write william dougla note power sponsor lack individu liberti wither spite glow opinion and resound constitut phrase excel quot look and for kalifornia nra gun owner nra crpa nation nra doesn march and thing pass provid conveni label for local activ activist andi
talk.politics.guns	analysi second amend gun control articl apr msstate edu dnewcomb whale usm edu donald newcomb write liter and erudit individu rutledg discuss thi topic frankli anti rkba poster refus even approach topic origin understand bill right detail write era thi refresh second apolog for leav discuss for dai brigad quarterli drill thi weekend and need attend matter pertain state militia peopl feel that concept militia anachro nism that place centuri not swiss agre and perhap discuss militia organ and unorgan fit into defens plan state mississippi not assum that thi describ peculiar southern state for instanc commonwealth massachusett organ militia member report maintain stock riot gun and machin gun law state will vari similar appear time that thi articl origin post larri cipriani last year and save get post offer good analysi mean second amend militia claus not rebuttl similar bone fide enjoi flame dev null begin enclos articl unabridg second amend neil schulman you want big bang you ring carl sagan and you want desert warfar man call norman schwarzkopf question you call you want top expert american usag you mean second amend unit state constitut that question ask brocki editori coordin lo angel unifi school district and senior editor houghton mifflin publish had recommend foremost expert english usag lo angel school system brocki told touch roi copperud retir professor journal univers southern california and author american usag and style consensu research lent support brocki opinion professor copperud expertis roi copperud newspap writer major daili for decad embark distinguish year career teach journal usc sinc copperud write column deal profession aspect journal for editor and publish weekli magazin focus journal field usag panel american heritag dictionari and merriam webster usag dictionari frequent cite expert copperud book usag american usag and style consensu continu print van nostrand reinhold sinc and winner associ american publish human award that sound expert telephon call professor copperud introduc not give indic interest letter write you you for your profession opinion expert english usag analyz text second amend unit state constitut and extract intent text text second amend regul militia for secur free state peopl and bear arm not infring debat thi amend whether part sentenc regul militia secur free state restrict claus subordin claus respect independ claus contain subject sentenc peopl and bear arm not infring request that your analysi thi sentenc not into consider issu polit impact public polici restrict linguist analysi mean and intent sinc your profession analysi will like becom part litig consequ second amend that analysi you make profession opinion that you will stand your reput and even will testifi oath support letter frame question test second amend conclud realiz that ask you major respons and task thi letter citizen vital import extract actual mean second amend that your analysi not affect polit import result that you thi that import letter and phone call discuss term for such analysi never discuss opinion second amend gun control polit subject professor copperud follow analysi into insert question for sake clariti copperud word regul militia secur free state contrari interpret cite your letter juli constitut present participl claus us adject modifi militia main claus sentenc subject verb and bear arm assert essenti for maintain militia repli your number question schulman can sentenc interpret grant and bear arm sole regul militia copperud sentenc not restrict and bear arm state impli possess peopl simpli make posit statement respect peopl schulman peopl and bear arm grant word second amend second amend assum preexist peopl and bear arm and state that such not infring copperud not grant amend exist assum thrust sentenc that preserv inviol for sake ensur militia schulman peopl and bear arm condit whether not regul militia fact secur free state and that condit not exist statement peopl and bear arm not infring null and void copperud such condit express impli and bear arm not amend depend exist militia condit state impli relat and bear arm and necess regul militia requisit secur free state and bear arm deem uncondit entir sentenc schulman claus regul militia secur free state grant govern place condit peopl and bear arm such deem uncondit mean entir sentenc copperud assum exist and uncondit previous state invok specif for sake militia schulman phrase regul militia mean equip organ drill educ subject regul superior author copperud phrase mean subject regul superior author thi accord desir writer for civilian control militari schulman you account chang mean word usag sinc that sentenc written year ago not into account histor interpret intent author issu can separ copperud knowledg chang mean word usag that affect mean amend written todai put sinc regul militia tot secur free state peopl and bear arm not abridg schulman scientif control thi analysi you compar your analysi text second amend sentenc school elector secur free state peopl and read book not infring question for usag analysi thi sentenc grammat structur and usag thi sentenc and word modifi each ident second amend sentenc and thi sentenc interpret restrict peopl and read book educ elector for exampl regist voter high school diploma copperud your scientif control sentenc precis parallel amend grammat structur noth your sentenc that impli possibl restrict interpret professor copperud had addit comment cover letter human curios made specul effort decid materi us unabl reach conclus told top expert american usag knew constitut unit state uncondition protect peopl and bear arm forbid govern form constitut abridg that write thi attempt coup constitut govern soviet union fail appar will peopl that part world free caprici tyranni stronger guard desir maintain monopoli dictatori power and unit state elect lawmak judg and appoint offici pledg defend constitut unit state ignor margin prevar second amend routin american citizen put american prison for carri arm own arm forbidden sort fail satisfi bureaucrat requir own and carri firearm abridg uncondit peopl and bear arm guarante constitut and even american civil liberti union aclu staunch defend rest bill right stand and noth and bear arm preserv that will can will beg elect repres not right and continu repres will continu obei judg decid that second amend doesn mean mean mean mean orwellian doublespeak will simpli and bear arm choic constitut unit state promis can and pledg that will defend that promis live fortun and sacr honor gun week and second amend foundat inform reproduct entir articl herebi author provid author gun week and second amend foundat credit right reserv author neil schulman award win author novel endors anthoni burgess and nobel economist milton friedman and writer cb twilight zone episod time travel historian prevent jfk assassin founder and presid softserv publish publish compani distribut paperless book person comput and modem recent schulman found committe enforc second amend cesa intend individu and bear arm recogn constitut protect equal afford fourth ninth and fourteenth amend neil schulman reach softserv paperless bookstor hour bb baud mail address box long beach geni address softserv end enclos articl pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
talk.politics.guns	clinton join list genocid socialist leader meet group baptist stockpil cambel soup and and bang marri thirteen yuear old except that pretti good descript baptist except that differ and heck even that richard petti stock car doesn mean race stock car uncouth figur that appear isn function andi
talk.politics.guns	gun control articl apr zeu tamu edu djh zeu tamu edu harti daniel joseph write regul militia necessarri secur free state peopl and bear arm not infring regul regul mean control secur mean that relev mean come control doesn you controll fletcher polit work pub defin regul militia that relev phrase arm peopl not control govt wig gent argu constituion us that feel free provid era refer show usag individu not interf govt note that claus mean restrict govt militari power scarri univers penn law review articl for extend discuss exist regul militia part that restrict not suffici andi
talk.politics.guns	crimin machinegun articl uiuc edu kratz uiuc edu jason kratz write apr csd newshost stanford edu andi sail stanford edu andi freeman write articl uicvm uic edu jason kratz uicvm uic edu write peopl get kill gang violenc dai singl dai hear peopl get kill gang violenc and weapo that confisc kratz claim that can reliabl visual distinguish that can differ semi auto and full auto uzi that can differ version full auto semi auto uzi that misphras question ask full auto kratz can accur distinguish semi auto alik includ semi auto gun list distinguish exist full auto rel kratz claim that can visual distinguish full auto semi auto for full auto make that claim specif and exhaust rememb selector swtich rememb correctli correct wrong switch set posit posit gun semi automat wouldn posit for semi auto fire and full auto fire round burst kratz ask told that kratz that can distinguish posit switch two posit switch inspect even switch typic polic displai gun note that thi sort thing hand visual inspect even won and that kratz tell that accur gun selector switch switch semi auto and fulli auto fire question kratz assur that make thi distinct and ask that correct guess accept you had good pictur and pictur lower receiv demonstr that predict kratz blow smoke thi andi gave kratz chanc back thi privat jason kratz didn andi offer back privat andi wonder kratz learn thi
talk.politics.guns	gun bui back articl qqcinn clem handheld jmd cube handheld jim arra write articl vmcm csuohio edu vmcm csuohio edu write articl apr rti rti org jb rti rti org write articl vmcm csuohio edu vmcm csuohio edu write gun buyback program will hopefulli impact accident shoot youth domest disput gun heat emot and anger and gun stolen and us street level crime you idea that gun buyback program will impact thing evid don misinterret joe make point tha evid effect gun buyback program hopefulli effect prevent injuri death type common incid you research associ urban child research perhap you can comment for ratio accident gun death rate rate accident death singl follow that perhap sort justif for amount effort that anti gunner spend convinc countri that accident gun relat death children problem firearm lead unintent death children ag and don understand ratio accident death import gun don kill children car accid differ sever death and death not us accident gun relat death children justif for gun control convinc that accident gun death children problem assum that human person concern year hold parent gun bedroom drawer and accid blew friend death wanna discuss match control firearm relat unintent death children ag and fault neglig person not gun that child unintention shoot not neglig hate repeat jim told joe not attempt justifi gun control you death that point joe that anti gunner convinv countri that accident gun death relat children problem guess assum thought that problem don want discuss match control don equat book match load millimet don confus issu and don that tire nra line gun don kill peopl peopl kill peopl peopl can kill peopl gun easi access gun make lot conveni gun don kill peopl peopl easi access gun kill peopl gun buyback program symbol offer commun that sens good explain you symbol offer good point gun buyback program almost run polic depart stress stress good give peopl impress that polic attempt respond interperson gun violenc uniqu thought that had made clear that not that gun buyback program provid fals hope intent jim not that good thing not polic talk run gun buyback program impress that impact commun evaluatori compon program answer your question fals hope not intent intent show folk that polic attempt curb interperson gun violenc whether effect not you can measur impact program sort pre test and post test evalu point symbol natur polic essenti you gun ly and you don want give you for care commun you and joe measur effect ineffect program becom rich and famou that vast major gun that us youth brought school youth daili basi youth obtain easili and quickli person friend borrow parent knowledg suggest you back and wherev you statist suspect you find you carefulli that number student estim carri weapon not necessarili gun school onc past year and not number student carri gun school daili joe suggest that you talk center prevent handgun violenc center for diseas control you carefulli you will that you greatli underestim presenc gun live youth cphv report that youth bring gun school daili and that bring gun school onc year cdc estim that high school student carri gun school onc cdc that million elementari ag latch kei children kid come home school empti hous access gun home california school report increas student gun confisc and and increas and florida report percent increas gun incid school amd statist increas california school gun control work fine didn gun control you talk will follow man claim messiah new for you folk big chees thi crazi planet our present not carri gun hold children danger hold kid time for realiti check son kid children peopl insid believ that forc evil wait kill you send your children door you believ word wrong dad meant that put children situat fortifi compound harm come not act messiah opinion not that koresh had control children directli hope that messiah not innoc children die claim messiah and peopl such not parent free children let burn aliv for realiti check joe real your religion that make wrong even assum koresh made that decis and verdict that jim listen not religi whatsoev you understand religion noth thi care religion put children that situat wrong pure and simpl differ good jim progress and divers person world allow kid expos tank and tear ga jim wrong
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor ccdarg dct alan greig write cultist quot bbc quot voic interview two british survivor claim that fire start tank caus intern wooden wall roof collaps knock kerosen lamp and that had suicid plan fbi start fire didn peopl flee burn build jame dusek
talk.politics.guns	mormon and jew articl dyj world std rjk world std robert kolker write you for rememb matzada matzada not insan act sanctif name and extrem denial tyranni thi dai offic tzahal isreal defens forc oath fortress tepol shaynit matzadah matzadah will not fall not anymor recent archaeolog inspect site present pretti compel evid that mass suicid masada never occur thi evid compel tha tzahal long hold secret ceremoni fortress ron phillip crphilli hound dazixca ingr senior custom engin intergraph electron east evelyn avenu voic mountain view fax
talk.politics.guns	waco question folk time start build precis question send feder elect offici and investig report local radio and newprint media ideal question ask investig into batf and fbi particip waco fiasco hope resolv and hopefulli wake local new media that not get entir truth batf and fbi list that nag gut list will grow content origin warrant seal that batf obtain reason that illeg firearm and ammunit not flush toilet knock raid rule prior initi assault complex singl batf agent and accompani wit conting assault and new media personnel attempt knock door branch davidian complex and serv warrant manner prescrib law dai initi assault complex batf agent awar that small children insid build ensu gun battl batf agent fire into build children kill two year child know children present didn batf altern plan and immedi retreat area close complex and implement altern plan open fire and jeopard live children build fbi spokesman state that paper evid that david koresh and member branch davidian possess firearm and ammunit david koresh and member branch davidian valid feder firearm licens activ particip legal busi sell bui firearm and ammunit and weapon had illeg possess thi paper evid consist weapon purchas includ legal dispossess weapon origin assault compound tragic fail batf spokeswoman state outgun newscast video tape film time incid show batf agent arm and rifl unclear video tape obstruct full view agent bodi had and sk rifl type firearm batf agent access scene origin assault complex sinc evid confirm insid complex involuntarili fbi treat hostag situat line fbi us psycholog warfar techniqu includ sensori overload sleep depriv and disrupt techniqu that test saniti normal person techniqu aim place complex occup into calmer frame mind report children insid complex accompani mother sinc reason expect mother children fbi expect mother walk and surrend author agent scene claim member branch davidian set fire complex branch davidian member surviv inferno claim fire start armor vehicl punch wall and knock lantern set tabl video tape incid show armor vehicl punch hole wall and fire erupt almost immedi gener locat sourc fire room armor vehicl penetr fbi spokesmen voic opinion that david koresh and member branch davidian commit mass suicid bodi discov hous and area build complex thi counter mass suicid histori evid fbi that mass suicid pact exist fbi director session state that massiv firebal shown video tape caus branch davidian ammunit and powder cach explod firebal characterist type creat compress ga highli volatil fuel sourc explod evid found branch davidian had ammunit and powder cach explod creat thi firebal and david koresh and member branch davidian engag legal busi sell bui firearm amount determin excess greater expect for engag such legal busi rumor that fbi agent extrem upset critic new media coverag and intention us armor vehicl crush report car had left compound factual basi thi rumor and charg will brought fbi agent perform act fbi director session state that final assault complex shot fire vehicl video tape incid you can hear drone armor vehicl engin sound sharp report that expect hear shot fire indic smoke and muzzl flash appear window build structur video sure evid branch davidian had fire armor vehicl final video tape not show indic paint splatter spark characterist sprai materi appar branch davidian had fire vehicl armor vehicl brought pump tear ga into compound show evid fresh damag due hit shot high power rifl ga consid chemic warfar agent unit state sign intern treati prevent us ga warfar unit state not moral us ga saddam hussein and troop moral accept us agent citizen land april fbi spokesmen state that bodi discov complex had bullet wound head indic had murder had commit suicid april counti coron claim noth bodi found bullet wound head victim bodi found burn complex bullet wound head ron phillip crphilli hound dazixca ingr senior custom engin intergraph electron east evelyn avenu voic mountain view fax
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch updat articl new cso uiuc edu irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin write for black soot billow compound ad fast fire spread pont dous larg part compound sort gasolin fire starter lot hous fire give black sooti smoke and speed fire wind gust mph that dai guess you forget oakland and berkelei look back folk us acceler smg doubt fed that interest arrest vernon real unbalanc that lost cool vernon figur that like jesu persecut author and had follow hold made decis and follow felt that rocket heaven thi stuff thsi conclus umpteen million hour listen npr and radio show radio offic innocu talk show new program background nois person opinion brent irvin you irvin uxh cso uiuc edu
talk.politics.guns	your evil tax dollar work atf burn ranch etc etc articl mb psuvm psu edu mark mark sach mb psuvm psu edu write articl mgb slacvm slac stanford edu numer account compound fire start armour vehicl crush larg propan tank and turn numer ga lantern smoke and flame start place place apv report texa written jaim aron thi morn addtion ga pump hose gener canist tear ga thrown into build armor vehicl canist hit man insid face thi part articl into differ stori told survivor and gov tear ga canist us start fire thing import not give and left for dieter car salesman
talk.politics.guns	fbi not stupid want make point fbi not stupid peopl chosen for intellig educ loyalti govern etc intens train you refus conspiraci and that fbi stupid don fbi acc latest audio and video technolog latest digit system fbi can manufactur evid tape koresh light fire and you can thermal imag video peopl light fire and magic comput graphic you can thing manufactur piec evid take time dai haven heard tape fbi video classifi gruesom for ey lost coffe spill dwayn jacqu fontenot btw inform live video feed read paper almost contradict ey
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl inn clem handheld jmd cube handheld jim arra write articl dusek shale dusek rtsg mot jame dusek write ccdarg dct alan greig write cultist quot bbc quot voic interview two british survivor claim that fire start tank caus intern wooden wall roof collaps knock kerosen lamp and that had suicid plan fbi start fire didn peopl flee burn build don thi stori fri morn wall tumbl and tear ga fill air cult leader david koresh sprang into action left floor bedroom and began hous make women and children secur and check that had ga mask properli hour compound inferno branch davidian excap thi stori glean lawyer spoke six jail charg that includ conspiraci and murder that dai six portabl radio offer contact world sinc koresh hand man steve schneider rip compound phone line fbi agent call dawn mondai thi cult last chanc come prepar forc word dawn tank batter mount carmel compound punch for hour creat hole for tear ga enter meanwhil proceed daili routin strap into ga mask women laundri read bibl room children remain mother side hard ignor happen each time tank ram poorli construct build shook violent cult member dodg fall gypsum wallboard and door hundr ga canist hurl armor vehicl fill air noxiou fume fly canist frighten tank man hit face ga began fill air driven heavi gust wind come window and hole tank made scatter hous cult member made effort gather fbi biggest weapon massiv armor vehicl head for chamber line cinder block author hope find koresh and schneider and fire tear ga directli cult member stori diverg govern version fbi cult member set fire place each six cult member separ discuss lawyer consist gave version odd fbi account tank flatten barrel propan spill content and tank thunder hous tip lit lantern spit flame that ignit propan and flammabl home us lumber plywood and wallboard tack togeth tar paper vulner build erupt escap jump window and dash open di grope black frank
talk.politics.guns	batf acronym articl hpfcso cunniff hpfcso ross cunniff write dieder spot colorado edu andrew diederich write ar dequat otal made last night bureau assault theft and frame up thi favorit bureau asshol tightwad and facist and rememb creat infern revenu code msa discov that thi rock thing true jerri lee lewi devil jesu architect previou career prophet sudden found love world thing that ding ding dang dang long ling long
talk.politics.guns	gun law can live articl apr rtp meyer leonardo rtp bill meyer write bill establish obtain firearm for secur and us firearm defens famili home and provid for enforc such articl qkshq transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write religi bill establish winc mind law giveth law can taketh hei gui you absolut correct and win thi battl and lose war philosoph flaw technic you sue fed lose and pai reason attornei fee basic question compar wors thi shouldn even you guess compar second amend wors problem devil detail you bradi bill sound good idea you discov that check and that polic don your purchas even you check and that you recours don loophol lawyer can never notic second mention bradi bill for exampl word involv detail that abraham lincoln requir word free slave and modern congress requir word describ price control rice good show support for for chang reason step that work bad law good law good comput program qualiti written start not ad cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	photograph remov compound articl wjfz bu new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write find thi disturb good think critic dont patron and won patron you feel free patron you tip you insult apolog tiresom thing thi group that peopl suck govern decid that govern plausibl and prais independ thinker whenev find govern implaus peopl suck govern decid that thing govern plausibl refus reason altern plaster new last night longer independ thinker depart govern parti line independ press start earn cloth allow thi good sign hope continu clue independ thinker come conclus depend circumst critic thinker come type conclus circumst independ thinker question author situat set fact present come conclus not hallmark independ thinker coupl abil challeng fact critic scientif method consist choos popular hypothesi even choos two hypothes that peopl propos cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	your evil tax dollar work atf burn ranch etc etc articl mb psuvm psu edu mark mark sach mb psuvm psu edu write find tremend chill that peopl eager murder heavili arm religi cult despit evid contrari murder huh yeah sort carnag year govern assault forgot you defens murder thought experi suppos thi exact thing happen bush administr your answer you prefer cultist damn thi not partisan thing individu liberti citizen left hell alon don expect respons that challeng that anoth indic that you don understand issu reason gummint decid slaughter eighti peopl plain evil wake dai stretch and yawn and throw dart map unit state figur oppress that dai eager appropri come good boost find social unpopular group happen lot gun gangbust hero and local media video tape won worri budget year bill clinton good cape don you knit match jog outfit cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	clinton join list genocid socialist leader articl apr starbas trincol edu write articl rnn rdt usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu perhap you rock last dai batf and fbi feder agenc clinton admit front new camera that janet reno onc and futur attornei gener gave full brief plan and gave ahead possibl that make teensi bit respons perhap you rock sinc turn centuri man suppos review singl freak government action dai that execut branch review plan and wasn architect and wasn bullhorn hand implement respons sens that brief shit happen hei joe assum you rememb you feel presidenti respons time reagan don recal arm for hostag meet olli north gang you feel bush loop that decis thick respons sens that brief shit happen that you joe kusmierczak mail trincol edu cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	you paranoid freak articl wmp boi jeffw boi jeff waldeck write you hear thermal imag haven heard thi not that doubt for sourc thi report canadian paper thursdai april sourc upi don recal for that thi kind info broadcast and resolv resolv alot doubt peopl mind person fbi batf reno etc claim sort thing offer shred proof good word suspici pictur worth thousand word understand that two gover investig order learn hear sincer hope you and turn indisput proof broadcast across land that govern group had noth fire such proof like that tank knock lantern koresh torch place evid tank crash front wall withdraw and second flame flame video erupt thi spot coincid perhap tough call investig thermal imag stori hold govern will credabl paranoia fan won result will such proof exist govern publish and put thi specul rest hear hear autopsi report confirm new report that multipl victim found shot head and posit inconsist fire victim simpli earli draw conclus thi nasti incid tend govern side frog almanac salut that frog hiss ryugen fisher sco xenix ladysmith british columbia canada serv central vancouv island public access usenet and internet mail home holocaust almanac
talk.politics.guns	hallam baker bash tpger polic state usa articl apr okstat edu kennej okstat edu kennedi jame scot write articl dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker understand paranoid mindset koresh offer you talk polit gun you can dredg sewer mind hung power and ego trip that bend realiti arround set beleif hell you base that ludicr claim plenti fine decent peopl peopl read post peopl paranoid peopl you hei dude you make paranoid argument long ago gave argu case for arm control directli invit peopl you want room full occup talk polit gun person armouri and attempt enter discuss spot tea you gave argu case for arm control directli long ago poster talk frank crari disprov your argument for gun control need you gave you and you couldn refut answer frank crari argument base assumpt that peopl sane normal peopl tpg disprov thi gun owner usenet disprov human proof posit that gun don make you safer bui lot gun and you shot knock raid fbi burn your hous even paranoid mindset tpg good reason support gun control cuddl kiss phill
talk.politics.guns	gun american express card articl qxn rpi edu lswilfin mercuri ral rpi edu lee wilfing write cdt stratu tavar write obnli gun us crime purchas legitim dealer and not necessarili person us crime that gun control thi mention number time curiou sourc for thi statist number bounc and depend studi quot and type gun studi cite recent batf studi titl protect america survei career crimin and found that gun us violent crime purchas retail dealer nation institut justic research novemb arm crimin america jame wright legitim firearm retail plai minor role direct sourc handgun for adult feloni offend sixth gun own felon obtain recent handgun customari retail transact involv licens firearm dealer remaind six obtain inform record transact involv friend and associ famili member and black market outlet mean acquisit inform sourc includ cash purchas swap and trade borrow and rent and theft crimin handgun market overwhelmingli domin inform transact and theft mechan suppli independ issu paper independ institut denver west parkwai golden gun wait period threaten public safeti david kopel basic problem wait period shown bureau alcohol tobacco and firearm studi gun dealer sale de moin and greenvil studi found that two percent sale danger crimin short wait period statist notic impact type crime tini fraction crime gun purchas retail inelig buyer bureau alcohol tobacco and firearm assist director crimin enforc memorandum director juli greenvil survei name submit fbi for record check had feloni convict had not repres counsel convict commit crime distant past twenti buyer prosecut buyer select for prosecut had violent feloni convict and had violent convict bureau alcohol tobacco and firearm assist director for crimin enforc memorandum director record check purchas feloni record not for prosecut ag violent natur feloni six purchas prosecut independ issu paper assault weapon panic polit correct take aim constitut eric morgan and david kopel testimoni congress reveal that assault weapon hand crimin obtain illeg channel testimoni consist nation institut justic research find base studi felon state prison studi author sociologist jame wright and peter rossi found that sixteen percent crimin had obtain recent handgun gun store figur includ purchas legal surrog directli crimin wright and rossi had begun research firm propon gun control conclud that set control retail purchas and not even full scale gun prohibit reduc crimin us gun wright and rossi suggest that lawmak concern gun crime directli target black market crimin gun and leav legitim retail market alon not surprisingli wright believ that consequ current assault weapon legisl street violenc like ineffect warn that gun control aim ordinari citizen like reduc pool crimin gun provid organ crime lucr busi anti drug assault weapon limit act rep cong sess hereinaft senat report introduc senat deconcini reduc semiautomat firearm abus drug traffick and violent crimin roberti roo assault weapon control act cal penal code west hereinaft roberti roo ann code art place greater restrict varieti assault weapon and provid punish for failur compli attempt evad senat report supra note jame wright peter rossi arm and consid danger survei felon and firearm york aldin gruyter lock and load for gunfight new world rep march hereinaft gunfight wright crimin can drug want can gun jame wright second thought gun control public interest spring cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	govern biggest cult leader folk don happen waco not claim bd angel never koresh devil incarn don that question singl sourc inform such and question even harder that singl sourc insist that govern happen waco that perhap biggest evil and even light discrep turn feder offici and state offici don understand hoard devot govern worship govern not possibl wrong fanat point make thing such brent microwav oven disclaim fire for food heat hard press real differ claim power koresh held bd and demonstr power govern hold rapid apologist jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	hallam baker bash tpger polic state usa articl yypo dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write frank crari argument base assumpt that peopl sane normal peopl tpg disprov thi gun owner usenet disprov human heaven phill step proof posit that gun don make you safer bui lot gun and you shot knock raid fbi burn your hous even paranoid mindset tpg good reason support gun control onc phill let that make for sacr govern cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	letter colorado daili colorado daili recent reprint wall street journal articl paxton quiglei includ nefari paragraph journal tack end reciev assist type folk wrote letter editor critic thi last paragraph and surpris surpris surpris publish text follow colorado daili btw univers colorado boulder student newspap not exactli big coup bit guess titl thing chang ad gun stat daili recent reprint articl wall street journal primarili concern paxton quiglei author arm and femal articl turn cite mislead statist that origin report england journal medicin articl state studi found that gun home time like us kill owner spous friend child kill intrud thi quot statist and mislead for sev eral reason outlin below studi impress that you gun likelihood that you will successfulli us defend that gun turn you studi fail into account case law abid citizen gun thwart crime kill perp trator studi refer acquaint friend thi includ friendli neigh borhood thug show clockwork month second your grandmoth cash social secur check possibl acquaint friend nejm studi base di posit case and fail into account case origin file homicid that rule defens small sampl size take event into account sub stantial effect ratio quot criminologist gari kleck slightli dif erent statist gun time like us successfulli privat citizen aggressor kill per son defend aggress gun fare resist vicim mean offer resist statist fbi and agenc show that gun time like us crimin defend crimin threat us commit crimin homicid time like us defend crimin threat accident kill and time like defend crimin threat us commit suicid mind that can prove uncrit quotat statist carefulli question ask gather data can draw accu rate conclus taylor depart chemistri and biochemistri spooksmok revolut assasin thorium cobalt clintin cia nsa shc dod loki acca nmsu edu liberti death taylordf ucsu colorado edu send even you can read
talk.politics.guns	ballad david koresh articl usenet uc indiana edu pwither silver uc indiana edu patricia ann wither write ballad david koresh concord and waco tyrant minion fail di fire koresh peopl prevail good ironi waco final april patriot dai that dai year earlier militia concord mass and nearbi town repel gun control raid current coloni govern
talk.politics.guns	you paranoid freak articl apr starbas trincol edu write articl oinn clem handheld jmd cube handheld jim arra wrote not made mind waco group devot govern fanat will that govern shred doubt thought thier shrill whenev belief structur shaken kinda remind you bd doesn jim hell govern fanat your sweep gener evinc your ignor eloqu somewhat shrilli put suppos not fuck fuck atf time you word and you shrill cue joe kusmierczak mail trincol edu jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl bfc eagl natinst chrisb natinst chri bartz write articl bigboot wpi edu mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein write napalm wood stove insid ignit for heat purpos weather texa claim that for cook stop and thi thi thread redicul care had stove not matter had stove burn lantern burn candl burn smoke etc etc etc premis that fbi fill hous napalm that catch fire thi crazi fbi not pump napalm into davidian home you will pretti damn strong evid convinc that can mass suicid murder koresh can accid davidian can accid fbi can easili mass stupid side can not that fbi lit thi fire intention tend agre explan fbi stop firetruck gate thi realtim concern that fbi appear not interest stop fire start and start fly huei compound had add small part wind drive fire chri bartz chrisb natinst jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	fbi director statement waco standoff cq skate gsfc nasa gov dsc gemini gsfc nasa gov doug caprett write can cite exampl thi defens success sourc for thi thi thread polit talk polit gun not exist polit talk polit gun mcguir lbj freewai suit system administr dalla texa member technic staff fax intellect inc intellect apr tygra michigan run anonym server and stai for rest life year
talk.politics.guns	your evil tax dollar work atf burn ranch etc etc mark mark sach mb psuvm psu edu write articl mgb slacvm slac stanford edu mgb slacvm slac stanford edu numer account compound fire start armour vehicl crush larg propan tank and turn numer ga lantern smoke and flame start place place apv thi claim hasn retract contradict earlier govern claim clip show fire erupt tank bust wall unsubstanti claim govern flir spot simultan fire and govern start fire weren peopl compound that easi six hour ga heavi smoke rapidli spread fire confus panic build collaps and find matter luck and don even bother davidian commit suicid zealot start fire that govern earlier inabl straight stori find scenario equal wait for independ investig into thing thing govern spokespeopl had consist and forthright keep press and ghettoiz pool not conduc build trust seal warrant optim thi oper control git find tremend chill that peopl will accept govern stori despit evid contrari find tremend chill that peopl eager murder heavili arm religi cult despit evid contrari thought experi suppos thi exact thing happen bush administr your answer you prefer cultist speak for bush and reagan impeach iran contra benefit doubt govern wait result independ investig choos don expect respons that challeng you that clinton elect peopl that campaign promiss respect onc into offic isn that politician elect gener vote for lesser two evil thi last time evil peopl will that politican will factoid fact clinton reno fbi batf confeder reason gummint decid slaughter eighti peopl plain evil wake dai stretch and yawn and throw dart map unit state figur oppress that dai eager bureaucrat execut control bureaucraci driven perciev interest and gross stupid and bill clinton cooler theme music darth vader diabol laughter good cape thing investig you clinton anoth statist problem clinton thi that appar will blindli back atf and fbi propos that destroi moon neatli solv that problem your blood pressur mark sach mb psuvm psu edu disclaim psu knew had opinion charg for paul hager hagerp moos indiana edu give devil benefit law for safeti sake man for season robert bolt
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch updat feustel netcom david feustel write aej cmuvm bitnet write articl rinna col col dduff col dave duff nut case panic realiz made complet fool front thousand netter back earlier rash statement god merci thought discuss koresh not presid clinton dave feustel myi feustel netcom dave clinton
talk.politics.guns	you paranoid freak hell govern fanat your sweep gener evinc your ignor suppos onc time that exactli live peac arm life that make peopl not leav jason innoc joi and squeezabl fun for toi steiner jupit cse utoledo edu
talk.politics.guns	clinton join list genocid socialist leader articl apr starbas trincol edu write articl vinn clem handheld jmd cube handheld jim arra wrote you make two point ultim overse feder agenc you mention and sinc koresh appar view point your baptist upbring not worthi protect religi persecut messiah not christ comfort belong govern approv religion baptist cult two btw definit dictionari cult meet group baptist stockpil cambel soup and and bang marri thirteen yuear old don recal baptist that suppos and list dictionari characterist cult mother stockpil campbel soup sale you son bitch you can draw distinct two thing you intoler foul mouth human you sound you readi join kkk neo nazi narrow mind peopl you cheapen constitut defend sociopath aren deserv life and chill paranoia defend right constitut form part protect religi cult had persecut england migrat free you endang constitut joe kusmierczak mail trincol edu jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	fed caught anoth lie kdw icd kenneth whitehead write dai hear that bodi had shot head horror anoth jonestown craze cultist child abus whacko waco last night medic examin and pretti vehement deni that had bullet wound tad upset fed for spread that rumor funni medic examin todai state that evid anoth that bullet wound not singl autopsi perform report deem specul includ report that bullet wound long kneejerk govern apologist start get pretti piss easili misl long kneejerk conspiraci theorist start get pretti piss easili mislead pretti disappoint coutnri koresh cult standoff victim recquiescat pace net moment silenc daniel hartung dhartung chinet chinet rotaract
talk.politics.guns	abc confirm two point fbi version question fire equip long reach compound answer abc air report includ tape mondai fbi call minut fire breakout dispatch vehicl waco citi limit requir approv deputi chief not liter lunch oper desper call local commun volunt fire depart time truck arriv minut complex aflam and late two pumper and water suppli fbi made anoth call request tank truck waco depart appar depend hydrant and not unwil risk firemen live line fire had suffici equip and water make differ even air tape woman call waco georgia ask civic mind irrespons watch televis that local call abc air comment independ fire investig view tape side compound not standard pool shot and agre that fire start place and had acceler spread fast conclus proof that koresh crowd of fbi of heck lot stronger proof theori float net score fbi branch davidian that branch davidian koresh cult standoff victim recquiescat pace net moment silenc daniel hartung dhartung chinet chinet rotaract
talk.politics.guns	medic examin evid for bullet wound appar need clarifi comment thursdai nizam plawabi spell medic examin for tarrant counti texa author waco death state that sinc autopsi had perform evid for bullet wound evid bullet wound janet reno state that had never told bullet wound justic depart koresh cult standoff victim recquiescat pace net moment silenc daniel hartung dhartung chinet chinet rotaract
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write prism gatech edu bhattacharya abhijit write doubt koresh had batf insid place intend orchestr charact assassin nois tortur and holocaust never come pass you knock search grenad onc koresh close door agent search warrant and door perfor rain bullet insid shot koresh cult standoff victim recquiescat pace net moment silenc daniel hartung dhartung chinet chinet rotaract
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch updat irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin write articl uhuo awq usenet uc indiana edu wwarf silver uc indiana edu wayn warf write articl nate psygat psych indiana edu nate psygat psych indiana edu nathan engl write yeah inform trickl funni that work funni yeah funni you didn wait for fbi spokesdroid latest revers fact proclaim burn death you won govern and press not reliabl logic you base your statement wild specul lace healthi dose paranoia not matter di belief matter constantli and radic chang stori steve person opinion brent irvin you irvin uxh cso uiuc edu
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai kevin axon usa kevin vanhorn write articl rpoj ijv new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write two escap compound fire deliber set cult member correct fbi that two escap fire deliber set cult member sinc press mile absolut independ verif govern claim thi matter larri king had two attornei client dead koresh and anoth davidian show last night discuss survivor differ fbi account attornei that told that tank knock lantern compound start fire govern spokespeopl li and contradict each thi affair wait for evid form opinion paul hager hagerp moos indiana edu give devil benefit law for safeti sake man for season robert bolt
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl tomp new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write and anoth survivor claim heard shout fire start odd terminolog that you fire plan not occur accid you you wait for end come fieri apocalyps thought person fire set side time koresh set fire wait six hour wall bash and tear gass start that happen that point similarli fbi torch place and fake wait long wouldn reason set fire earli assault began plausibl explain that accident start fire tank thing that listen radio fire start and report watch distanc that look tank had penetr farther into build previous specif that tank appar halfwai half tank lenght into build previous had penetr feet reserv judgement aaron
talk.politics.guns	fbi director statement waco standoff cescript mtu edu charl scripter write press batf fbi shoot peopl leav burn build don you rid press you mean move press back singl locat mile compound press allow that doesn count get rid press get rid press mean get that wouldn tim smith
talk.politics.guns	waco burn articl wcyb dscomsa desi hallam zeu desi write perhap you that hitler not respons for holocaust sinc alli stop attent rule usenet flame war onc discuss degener point hitler mention that flame war declar end thi opportun that discuss not current set fact and current name call and invoc hitler name not product even standard usenet talk group you continu don discuss thi misc legal not law you discuss law appli waco incid question form fbi start fire accident legal respons for death note that followup set not includ misc legal john carr jfc athena mit edu
talk.politics.guns	pronpan tank found disput origin fire that destroi compound settl examin propan tank supposedli crush armi tank breach wall compound propan tank flatten and tread mark version fire verifi dave feustel myi feustel netcom govern becom garrott neck citizen garrott peopl struggl breath air freedom govern tighten stranglehold outcom thi point death govern elimin person freedom
talk.politics.guns	your evil tax dollar work atf burn ranch etc etc cdt stratu tavar write articl apr hpcvusn kam keith marchington write that anoth sad thing expect thi sort shit batf goddamn disappoint fbi us profession appar you unfamiliar histori fbi you articl fbi cointelpro oper for starter dave feustel myi feustel netcom govern becom garrott neck citizen garrott peopl struggl breath air freedom govern tighten stranglehold outcom thi point death govern elimin person freedom
talk.politics.guns	waco question condit propan tank mention survivor crush and tread mark dave feustel myi feustel netcom govern becom garrott neck citizen garrott peopl struggl breath air freedom govern tighten stranglehold outcom thi point death govern elimin person freedom
talk.politics.guns	dividian black articl yeab hac new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write articl apr medtron medtron medtron robert nehl write kenneth whitehead kdw icd wrote oleari cbnewsh att brian leari write question for media and polit correct peopl compound black and gui ninja suit davidian black question think you answer jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	your evil tax dollar work atf burn ranch etc etc lord hope you don hoover pro monstrou dan
talk.politics.guns	raid justif blast time rick bressler bressler iftccu boe wrote forgot leav quot sourc happen waco not fault batf had proper equip and person captur compound initi assault and thi happen batf part dept treasuri not justic need assault place ir call feder marshal servic fugit collect team similar type assault time and good tactic and legal part suspect that marshal not touch search warrant seal bogu batf gotton swat team feder marshal servic fbi secret servic nation park servic texa ranger nearbi larg citi polic forc militari had us gui els swat team good for holi gun control find time raid extrem interest initi raid two dai senat overturn assault weapon confisc law coupl week batf budget come congress for review shortli reno confirm don remind you anti gun line presid dai offic wise man onc onc happenst twice coincid time enemi action don that thing conincident you food for thought dale farmer
talk.politics.guns	fbi director statement waco standoff paull hplabsz hpl robert paull write nice gui rcander nyx edu wrote branch davidian not violent and not plan start violenc compound assault atf fire back agre ceas fire and allow atf care for wound even releas atf agent captur clear releas agent and allow atf medic attent that not for troubl thi heard captur and releas atf agent info thi rob film dai assault bd allow batf agent shot and wound leav compound lesson suppos that you shoot until pig dead and fuck outa dodg never give pig even break seeeeee turmoil halcyon fuck polic
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch updat wwarf silver uc indiana edu wayn warf write post press not you wish medic examin refut fbi fact and you don lot reason imparti you for interest accuraci liitl late start that medic examin not contradict fbi fbi found folk had shot head and medic examin not evid thi time medic examin that deal char bodi compound thi sound typic medic examin not releas detail thorough investig medic examin hasn not thing that isn end true that fbi had spoken fals isn clear that
talk.politics.guns	waco fire articl apr mnemosyn edu rcander nyx edu nice gui write flash frequent occurr indoor fire fire will start small and locat and heat air temperatur room build and inflamm room catch fire onc thi occur compound heard report that window cover permit fire start unnot compound fire big and broke wall appear start two place big fire houston chronicl last thursdai wednesdai that interior wall had cover hai bale protect bullet you fast dry hai burn larg quantiti tear ga insert into build that women and children room free tear ga seal door tear ga learn that fire had broken late for escap trap flame safe room addit ga specif design forc ey close and victim vomit fast you leav your burn offic home your ey close and you retch violent find hard that fbi not record final assault that want tape show agent fbi overcom forc evil aka branch davidian tape fbi prove that not excess forc thoma rush compaq comput corpor thomasr cpqhou compaq employe not opinion candid for misd magnolia texa school board seat
talk.politics.guns	quot request quot jefferson hamilton madison founder that support idea that second amend written into constitut that populac protect govern began degener into tyrrani you sourc mail jonathan haa jake like women like univers michigan kiwi fruit sweet tart firm positron eec umich edu flesh yield touch and finger for pgp kei cover short brown fuzzi hair
talk.politics.guns	batf initi violenc sourc articl hpchase rose hprnd rose steve kao write long sinc lost newspap magazin articl that mention batf toss grenad knock door serv search warrant compound refer for period newspap and date copi articl not need wouldn mind post mail fine associ press had articl mondai march quot wit describ batf agent throw grenad prior gunfir part davidian crop mutual exclus descript david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.guns	dayton gun bui back boston gun bui back consid prosecut citi hold question ask bui back for receiv stolen properti intel corp chandler blvd chandler
talk.politics.guns	chang name quisl don vidkun quisl traitor norwai not censor betrai countri norwai bescaus impli that som you jump conclus sound paranoid lot quisl norwai perhap wasn suffici clear not accus you quisl quisl govern throw peopl and bear arm that that intend refer figur that peopl thi newsgroup interpret that intend intent lost steve
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi thing waco articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write batf and fbi becom dai gestapo becom that desir vote law and lawmak hear peopl thi assum that point had choic ballot box vote want fbi and batf becom dai gestapo that isn process complex not direct control bureaucraci evalu repres don contribut wayward direct feder law enforc bureacraci assert that want absurd waco encapsul american experi religi fanatic militarist think and overwhelm violenc don blame fbi and batf act paramet set year made good feel you plan for get thi mess
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl apr synaps bm hambidg bm write mst rigel tamu edu mitchel todd write larg propan tank and breach don you that identifi explos videotap explos look due propan offici version ammunit agre that propan explos like ammunit explos blast question direct person claim that propan tank like ruptur tank fire start that true shouldn explos happen fire start evid that exist claim and counter claim wait hard evid releas you that hard evid will releas fbi made such fuss videotap and evid that releas sooner happen and for ourselv law enforc agenc will withold evid public view investig mitchel todd mst zeu tamu edu
talk.politics.guns	hampshir and main resid carri permit applic for live plan vacat hampshir and main post basic info appli for ltc ccw state for resid post will rec gun case kim kim husc harvard edu
talk.politics.guns	rifl read clari articl weapon had purch had two barrett calib armor pierc rifl hell you us armor pierc rifl run tank and stab onc ignor prevail media aaron arc cco caltech edu
talk.politics.guns	slick rushi wai todai rush critic clinton for not claim respons for action and decis janet reno and fbi earli suit rush month ago rush chortl fact that reagan stump special persecutor walsh croak don rememb ask olli north rush critic clinton appli reagan and north reagan impeach north convict and overturn technic gosh rush wai clinton held respons reagan clever amnesia defens that waht clinton campaign promis and such you rush truth wasn loop and don rememb
talk.politics.guns	waco headlin and editori boston globe boston globe wednesdai april col bodi found ruin fbi defend raid cult ranch col clinton blame koresh order probe sieg col children panw horrifi game col editori page judgment waco scientif and polit scrutini horror show waco begin noth can undo tragedi that prevent forens expert will studi rubbl and ash branch davidian compound peopl includ children perish smoke and fire caus theapocalypt vision manipul madman and stun laps judgment feder law enforc offici emphasi ad investig will creat condit compound and identifi acceler and fac tor fuel inferno that strong suit public question agent feder bureau investig lack oper ation skill and teh behavior insight resolv dai standoff free flame and furi loss life reflect demen tia cult leader david koresh person delusiosn sear public consciou ness assembl davidian had stockpil arm and had us ration expect koresh confses sinner equal continu mystifi eaction feder agent bungl case start misadventur began feb agent feder bureau alcohol bacco and firearm storemd compound intent seiz koresh and cach automat weap on agent and estim six cult mem ber di inteh ensu gun battl earlier oppor tuniti isol and arrest koresh complex had not adequ explor author prepar sieg and resolv that death last fifti dai into sieg public outcri storm compound had correctli perceiv that chil dren insid rancho apocalyps essenti hostag live stake reason for govern impati govern superior firepow control water and util and freedom movement creat condit for belat bloodless resolut attornei gener janet reno fbi provid sigl compel reason for abandondon patienc intellig accur and koresh grow increasingli violent and bizarr diffi cult tear ga attack launch combat vehicl clear mind port escal child abus accur weight potenti for ev ngreat hamr etc etc tec paragraph paragraph delet respons rest clinton and inexperienc presid not pai attent life and death decis made waco reno fault for for overreli judgment law forcement offic common problem prosecutor full investig into ewaco tragedi conduct execut and legisl branch step verifi blaze start apport blame will plai role greater importnac find strategi elud fire time end editori case kim kim husc harvard edu
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor pat rwing pat myrto write fbi start fire didn peopl flee burn build assum fire caus lantern and stove knock tank push wall shake build pretti good perhap didn flee flee meant enter fire side surround fire and rubbl final combin tearga and combust gass overcam and envelop word trap flame heat fume and rubbl wait minut stori push that fire start place thi not consist stori that trap fire build that sudden had exit choos that sound plausabl not dramat korash forc stai shoot shot victim found plausabl for koresh and blood children can assum independ choic chose stai face assault endang live altern not permit leav choos koresh cult standoff victim recquiescat pace net moment silenc daniel hartung dhartung chinet chinet rotaract
talk.politics.guns	waco insid stori atf burn fbrown seawai ssd kodak frank brown write thi stori fri morn wall tumbl and tear ga fill air cult leader david koresh sprang into action left floor bedroom and began hous make women and children secur and check that had ga mask properli hour compound inferno branch davidian excap thi stori glean lawyer spoke six jail charg that includ conspiraci and murder that dai six portabl radio offer contact world sinc koresh hand man steve schneider rip compound phone line fbi agent call dawn mondai thi cult last chanc come prepar forc gee and fault that word dawn tank batter mount carmel compound punch for hour creat hole for tear ga enter meanwhil proceed daili routin strap into ga mask women laundri read bibl room children remain mother side hard ignor happen each time tank ram poorli construct build shook violent cult member dodg fall gypsum wallboard and door dear dear come hundr ga canist hurl armor vehicl fill air noxiou fume fly canist frighten tank man hit face dear dear come ga began fill air driven heavi gust wind come window and hole tank made couldn heavi that wind blow scatter hous cult member made effort gather fbi biggest weapon massiv armor vehicl head for chamber line cinder block author hope find koresh and schneider and fire tear ga directli cult member stori diverg govern version fbi cult member set fire place each six cult member separ discuss lawyer consist gave version odd fbi account tank flatten barrel propan spill content and tank thunder hous tip lit lantern spit flame that ignit propan and flammabl home us lumber plywood and wallboard tack togeth tar paper vulner build erupt escap jump window and dash open di grope black sad come koresh cult standoff victim recquiescat pace net moment silenc daniel hartung dhartung chinet chinet rotaract
talk.politics.guns	waco quiz impress your friend win valuabl cash prize waco quiz you hypothet situat you commit crime batf conduct knock raid hand air you warrant hefti suit settlement you second identifi cop shoot shoot heck feder prison you sex you kill feder agent blast strang music you come hand turn state evid hope deal good wait figur feder agent will bore and vacat wait come you will chanc kill men fbi you surround ask you come immedi come figur long prison term chanc catch write stall you can concentr you trial for reason decid write length propheci idea fresh mind fbi call and will us tear ga you don come come hand your radic bro law hate get gass your ga mask fed will give eventu shoot vehicl deliv tear ga rude break man door fbi call and will us tank break your wall come your hand flimsi cardboard construct won last long presenc mind move flammabl devic tinder dry haybal spread kerosen and hit match big schwarzenegg end point award manner point for answer point for answer and point for answer count and compar your friend you answer time you jail aliv you answer time you hole your compound you answer time you dead feel free copi thi and distribut your friend koresh cult standoff victim recquiescat pace net moment silenc daniel hartung dhartung chinet chinet rotaract
talk.politics.guns	truth waco jgd dixi john armond write noth thi point long convinc media video divers sourc imho govern didn hide allow camera compound begin agre reason not had close pool camera man volunt and protect sandbag point made dick degueran koresh lawyer tank not pump ga eject explod canist tank boom that penetr multipl wall explod word fbi thi point court tank collaps interior wall and ceil put peopl great risk dear dear come construct coupound us almost us materi that dry and bail hai stack wall shield govern bullet live fire hazard that built that previou invas militari drill and that suppli had hand for surviv crime irrelev ga mask work that member bibl studi and sleep fire set that exactli hold bibl studi nap wise action you gass group instruct kind koresh aid tank invas refer kind suicid pact counter assault effort don suicid pact that koresh want fieri conflagr not told follow fact thi hypothesi confirm survivor stori had move center compound order escap fall debri tank invas fire set that and onc compound demolish expect women and children sought shelter second floor tank trap door jam tank ram build and distort frame build ram and upstair that almost bad run into fire hallwai ran length build that act conduit for fire and trap almost place expert told that thi horizon chimnei effect made fire start place onc interest notion koresh not last hour fire and assum floor room children bibl studi doubt hei prioriti texa medic examin state flatli that bodi recov had bullet wound directli contradict fbi li fridai state that evid and not flatli contradict feder agent claim event irrelev survivor unanim state that victim that trap tank destroi build and speed fire for six hour trap build not destroi immedi left time underground bunker cite fbi place koresh put children had not cold blood killer had block tank crash debri top access door six hour move come dick that had sat koresh bedroom talk and had observ that room furnish rest and air condit luxuri directli contradict fbi claim that live splendor irrelev crime innoc dick bullet hole koresh room made batf indiscrimin shoot roof word whether fire back oper question fire start tank knock coleman lantern that lit and sit piano wall tank bust survivor fire start for six hour you that tank come wall point and you leav coleman lantern burn bale hai survivor strongli deni fbi start fire hear fire lit stuff attribut fbi ultim irrelev lit fire had ampl opportun leav met koresh compound expect find rave lunat found ration charm and intellig young man and surpris that fact charismat leader extrem intellig tend excel actor and skill manipul ted bundi koresh had drug stronger aspirin us pain medic assist jsut phone call gee had come women children had bedroom for and kid that appoint nice koresh not relev crime dick sign home school for kid and time sign abus outsid rare abus secret thing court document jewel case and mistrial california held will and left time peopl murder fire choic exactli choic call for independ prosecutor for thi will investig start congression committe hear week close comment don cult view highli religi peopl sincer and you judg that wrong last sentenc hell govern judg religion wrong thi event hope will record histori american holocaust peopl murder govern sure jew nazi hang head shame for allow govern becom never judg religion action had live quiet religi life claim raid sieg and death chose cours action turn that stupid not irrat stockpil weapon second shoot feder agent stai insid don blame cop shoot kid had point toi weapon don fbi deserv blame thi case koresh cult standoff victim recquiescat pace net moment silenc daniel hartung dhartung chinet chinet rotaract
talk.politics.guns	text white hous announc and clipper chip encrypt articl strnlghtc netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write agre thi not place discuss gun note pass that number gun apologist word regul distort interpret second amend david sternlight push envelop credibl claim that talk polit gun not place discuss gun mean second amend post million peopl rel ignor subject follow activ thread discuss exactli thi topic explor fallaci erron claim and explod basic fact sternlight describ peopl and bear arm not peopl form militia militia and bear arm regul peopl and bear arm thi appar simpl read sentenc for argument suggest you check thread gun control plai alt polit usa constitut you cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	dayton gun bui back boston gun bui back wed apr gmt larri cipriani lvc cbnew att wrote wnci radio thi morn dayton ohio oper gun bui back give for function gun turn ran monei dai and pass voucher sort for fund oper anoth media event brought you hci similar pro gun peopl can for exampl pai lawfulli protect life firearm sound bit tacki hei work gun bui back chariti sponsor fund purchas us firearm gunsmith check and give sell low price poor person wish firearm you gui can work detail needi etc charl scripter cescript phy mtu edu dept physic michigan tech houghton govern great thing drawn washington centr power will render powerless check provid govern anoth and will becom venal and oppress govern separ thoma jefferson
talk.politics.guns	mormon and jew articl dyj world std rjk world std robert kolker write oath fortress tepol shaynit matzadah matzadah will not fall zealot holi fuck israel armenia turkei greec croatia serbia bosnia russia germani iran arab world war introduc sympathi man wealth and tast for devil for long long year laibach stolen man soul and faith remix
talk.politics.guns	truth waco quick scenario you home not bother thing you come crash upstair window and you hear explos you that thi individu submachinegun and that similarli arm individu rush your front door will you defend and famili thi attack realiz batf enter that surrend roll and attack your home you chosen and discov that peopl you defend feder agent camp your door wait for you surrend you learn that intend charg you murder and defam your name claim that you can safe surrend time start psycholog warfar techniqu you claim that you can safe give and will receiv fair trial week into thi standoff you hold begin ploi induc your surrend tear ga annoi you and ram your home tank claim that you can safe surrend time you patient wait thi latest round attack your hous catch fire and bale hai you cover spread fire rapidli hous and you escap fortif you had rais for your defens and rubbl creat tank your follow make not claim that scenario accur disagre notion that fault for dy refus surrend agent feder govern anoth feder agenc commit arm assault home basi flimsili concoct search warrant texa ranger view batf fbi statement batf action appar sourc fbi blunder clean mess made batf result accident fire kill compound and plai cya batf commit illeg assault obtain us texa resourc fabric alleg and compound abus accus crime jurisdict onc had held assault jame cochran danger doubt run thi space prism gatech edu circl scream and shout for rent
talk.politics.guns	gun american express card articl bie undergrad math uwaterloo papresco undergrad math uwaterloo paul prescod write articl apr anasazi john anasazi john moor write drive heavili us street middl dai car young black male pull and occup fire round into rear truck man and fiance pull pistol and return fire drive attack child suffer flesh wound arm and parent sustain graze incid beauti countri you peopl built for enjoi beauti countri and enjoi enjoi thought that mean and can exercis right defend and mine and want you good folk prescod remind thi line watch documentari nazi concentr camp stack and stack bodi scene hitler speechifi and struck rever and ador face peopl crowd guess happi that hitler had implement full gun control and take care jewish problem time lee
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl avc chinet chi dhartung chinet chi dan hartung write pat rwing pat myrto write fbi start fire didn peopl flee burn build assum fire caus lantern and stove knock tank push wall shake build pretti good perhap didn flee flee meant enter fire side surround fire and rubbl final combin tearga and combust gass overcam and envelop word trap flame heat fume and rubbl wait minut stori push that fire start place thi not consist stori that trap fire build that sudden had exit choos fbi thought that tear ga forc davidian mother and children fbi not bother effect tear ga young children fbi knew kill children tear ga assum fbi knew listen devic fbi fire accid break end build upset oil lamp fbi thought final forc rest davidian and destroi evid that fbi had kill children start fire end fbi miscalcul and not rest davidian made answer happen
talk.politics.guns	truth waco articl dan hartung write endless remark davidian surrend delet had live quiet religi life claim raid sieg and death chose cours action turn that stupid not irrat stockpil weapon second shoot feder agent stai insid had quiet death thought thier neighbor that davidian never bother that couldn your point hadn stockpil weapon atf wouldn felt threaten and had move newsflash isn illeg firearm isn even illeg lot firearm shot federal fed shot that stai insid thing anoth newsflash sometim govern nasti thing you that you don deserv sinc nice davidian time round can davidian didn surrend easili expect end world andrew diederich dieder spot colorado edu opinion mine wave that watch infront ey
talk.politics.guns	waco clinton press confer part articl blake nevada edu blake nevada edu rawlin blake write articl apr ringer utsa edu whugh lonestar utsa edu william hugh write articl feustelc netcom feustel netcom david feustel write predict that outcom studi wrong feder assault waco will result futur assault that type conduct full scale militari oper explicit shoot kill direct you mean aren fool rememb waco will govern decid murder you opinion mine don care you blame univers state don learn lesson histori hope that kent state taught lesson appar not appar govern will murder choos hmm for recent lesson that squar china anoth lesson repeat year tibet and salvador and beat and messag god your ass don trust govern time for reason scream man connect god damn dot ministri song clinton administr mail address clintonhq campaign org mcimail provid public servic compuserv compuserv jon edward shum jon mitr org clintonpz aol america onlin
talk.politics.guns	raid justif blast time dale access digex dale farmer write rick bressler bressler iftccu boe wrote forgot leav quot sourc happen waco not fault batf had proper equip and person captur compound initi assault and thi happen batf part dept treasuri not justic need assault place ir call feder marshal servic ir doesn reli feder marshal servic ir swat team pictur articl ir magazin dave feustel myi feustel netcom govern becom garrott neck citizen garrott peopl struggl breath air freedom govern tighten stranglehold outcom thi point death govern elimin person freedom
talk.politics.guns	you paranoid freak previou articl freed religion absolut noth build small arsen and groom year children your wife come finish manuscript seal david interest that janet reno public announc that steal ourselv for waco can gasolin concess agre that koresh victim perpetr thi grew insid cult and engag power struggl support help inflat ego yup kill that bastard thi move fuck helicoptor thermal imag compound illeg helicopt searchign for exist pcp lab rememb even media and don call winston that afternoon and detect fire erupt almost simultan canist special modifi abram pupm ahhh exist canist call winston stuff chanc start fire kerosen lamp not fire koresh wasn talk ass expect thi happen for reason fbi habit burn peopl fortifi area want murder had dai thi come time didn even put children buri bu underground bunker seig put into tower die fuck you big brother paranoid freak good thing come thi that will group crazoid attract rootless member societi yup good dead yeah janet will promi warn told your passport order oversea option for your save
talk.politics.guns	waco insid stori atf burn previou articl dhartung chinet chi dan hartung dear dear come defend alamo you miss point typic add doubt that come batf show start shoot etc paint child molest murder fanat call tank hundr automat arm goon restrict press access two mile come can watch pictur burn women and children bosnia cnn limit two mile replai fire waco huh answer that
talk.politics.guns	hallam baker bash tpger polic state usa articl yypo dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write articl apr okstat edu kennej okstat edu kennedi jame scot write articl dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker hell you base that ludicr claim plenti fine decent peopl peopl read post peopl paranoid peopl you hei dude you make paranoid argument wouldn terribl impress paranoid base usenet gener phill hallam baker comment gener you surpris for peopl you accus long and loud peopl start bother fight noth you will consid bother pretti basic human natur spot tea you gave argu case for arm control directli long ago poster talk frank crari disprov your argument for gun control need you gave you and you couldn refut answer frank crari argument base assumpt that peopl sane normal peopl tpg disprov thi gun owner amaz thing didn realiz that hundr million gun owner post tpg even post talk polit gun illustr you illustr reflect written persona face face small and select group gener attitud posit usenet gener popul countri doesn care accuraci realiti explain usenet disprov human speak readership post put read newsgroup reader number feel fairli inflat poster rare and regular themselev tini minor that group and usenet reader distort sampl human real thing you can rel sampl usenet reader that equip and time proof posit that gun don make you safer bui lot gun and you shot knock raid fbi burn your hous proof that gun don make you safer that you bui govern will show and kill you govern vote right exercis free speech that proof that free speech squelch polit activ you equat two thing each that don even paranoid mindset tpg good reason support gun control phill you that post comput net repres poster person person gener public gener opinion reserv your grasp realiti don expect you that simpli conveni make your point and hopefulli make peopl you don bad cuddl kiss phill nice dai phill david veal univers tennesse divis continu educ utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh you push elev shaft sometim think you don love anymor weird yankov
talk.politics.guns	clinton nation card aka ussr style intern passport articl mimsi umd edu tm umd edu tom swiss not swift not suiss swiss write johnston cyberia win net robert johnston write bout emb card forhead everyon skull can lose dead ergo for treatment close birth implant smart chip ear skin skull incas hypo allergen high carbon content glass thi chip reprogram ag pertin medic correct taxat data behav input into your permen record you forgot part encas small shape charg that tamper explod and kill you and shape charg can set remot control you line properli patriot citizen noth fear algor insist shape charg will automat deton thirti year logan run order maintain popul control john townsend reduc reus engin model mead data central reus uunet meaddata johnt springboro pike recycl johnt meaddata miamisburg softwar
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talk.politics.guns	fbi director statement waco standoff ndallen node hub org nigel allen write fbi director statement waco standoff had hope make statement thi even care plan and extens prepar thought that todai effort fbi bring branch davidian compound result peac resolut stand meaning negoti face devast and death question that plan correct and conduct extrem profession and care applaud restraint shown agent face life threaten gunfir and for risk live end thi peacefulli greatest admir for courag and profession involv question that plan correct month readi unlimit fund knowledg threaten mass suicid fire and fire truck hand thi extrem profession and care can understand screw raid batf underestim opposit happen not thi fbi had team place massiv resourc ampl time for plan and bring special equip peopl botch fbi director and fbi sac charg resign fire for incompet don blame reno clinton gave fbi clear order don you can casualti you can that wait reason order fbi pull tactic solut and couldn john nagl
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talk.politics.guns	deal cult thought articl oaf apr kloster mit edu oaf zurich mit edu od feingold write histori rep leo ryan and staffer visit jonestown request constitu had rel onc jonestown discov and even kill ryan and entourag kill jim jone knew bust prevent such problem never investig report child abus sexual mistreat organ bui full auto convers kit ship hand grenad up chanc stumbl across cult that kill batf fbi save peopl and futur cult ignor such sign pauciti thi line argument that provabl fals texa state offici and investig child abus charg and apprehend koresh peaceabl and impound weapon for durat and koresh not convict note that child abus and similar accus state matter not feder state and handl properli and peaceabl and violat constitut right process for batf fbi save peopl mind fuck busi cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch updat articl krt new cso uiuc edu irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin write articl uhuo awq usenet uc indiana edu wwarf silver uc indiana edu wayn warf write articl nate psygat psych indiana edu nate psygat psych indiana edu nathan engl write yeah inform trickl funni that work funni yeah funni you didn wait for fbi spokesdroid latest revers fact proclaim burn death you won govern and press not reliabl logic you base your statement wild specul lace healthi dose paranoia funni brent heard two version fact govern thi includ govern that two survivor koresh lawyer insid compound includ that survivor strang disagre import particular new report survivor speak hand feel free pitch miss monei that stori will sound hell lot case and not case cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	impeach clinton reno simpl point leadership you respons for that your subordin fail law death that occur result commis crime feloni di incid and commit crime establish incid chargabl for murder thi crimin charg murder for death bystand polic strai round and such dy heart attack consid murder situat caus crime jame cochran danger doubt run thi space prism gatech edu circl scream and shout for rent
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch updat articl rinna col col dduff col dave duff nut case panic realiz made complet fool front thousand netter back earlier rash statement god merci love clown even school yard
talk.politics.guns	flame net flame waco articl vgme goa usenet uc indiana edu wwarf silver uc indiana edu yne warf write articl krt new cso uiuc edu irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin write you won govern and press not reliabl logic you base your statement wild specul lace healthi dose paranoia you moron illiter forgot you gui that doesn microwav oven electr never mind and you gui that doesn that illiter peopl can write coher sentenc that make you superior steve steve casburn scasburn magnu ac ohio state edu across page across ag move hand histori plead for kinder ey not dream mark king
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl apr mc kent edu mhamilto nimitz mc kent edu lawnmowerman delet live for david fault and not atf gave dai thi dai for and for rest sad hear death child unlik sick bastard supposedli matthew hamilton mhamilto mc kent edu physic major ksuvxb kent edu lawnmowerman kent state univers ksuvxb kent edu tragic iron that post thi origin kent state appar lesson histori
talk.politics.guns	dayton gun bui back boston gun bui back apr mtu edu cescript mtu edu charl scripter write similar pro gun peopl can for exampl pai lawfulli protect life firearm sound bit tacki hei work gun bui back chariti sponsor fund purchas us firearm gunsmith check and give sell low price poor person wish firearm sell low price poor peopl immedi nra educ organ and shame pai that monei for gun cheap gun lot monei save us open class mention that nra train boi blue and you media rock and hard place citi pai per gun reduc crime nra pai per gun provid train gun for polic and citizen class expand monei save dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
talk.politics.guns	waco burn qheg ubvmsb buffalo edu vasilion write can you imagin happen magazin explod gener ship sink pictur uss iowa desk bullet fly imho gunshot wound caus magazin that round chamber threat penetr bullet brass for that matter that expand ga held enclos space you nice pop and not threat for even firefight worri final simpl person shot prior burn crisp time ammunit peopl quit dead for blood wound bruis content that make differ whether di explod ammunit fire fed share respons for dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
talk.politics.guns	waco survivor april articl segz mwr dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker articl apm apr hpopdlau pwd apm hpopdlau pwd andrew merritt write path dscomsa dxcern mcsun uknet pipex uunet sdd hpscit apm apm hpopdlau pwd andrew merritt articl apr vm ocom okstat edu chorlei vm ocom okstat edu write stuff british cult member delet exactli you and fire engin mile compound gun looni fire vehicl amunit that rang meter calib ammunit not ammo shell thi size larger lot cannon shell sniper screen peopl put fire ranch hous not fort apocalyps hous despit fbi and atf fire gun looni couldn shoot fire men hous engulf flame fbi and atf don excus for not fire engin put blaze bastard wait fire call fire depart waco didn even fire depart standbi sincer hope that fbi atf attornei gener janet reno and involv thi fiasco punish that richli deserv pai for thi needless tragic wast human life sadli evil sob will never face justic media and govern will whitewash thi incid and chalk sole david koresh fault sadder american peopl will question problem law that bunch rave nutter collect huge stack arm place thi not problem problem that govern that tyrann dai peopl decid gun and live place togeth that prerog hand bd posess explos and illeg gun govern search compound alleg that bd posess illeg weapon hasn proven not conclud that bd broke law david koresh accus abus children thi crime presenc atf can justifi atf suppos deal firearm tobacco and alcohol violat atf agent basic cigarett cop stai kind law enforc action that jurisdict tcan imo sequenc event meant that option attempt sort breakthrough intervent fbi had had stomach for mount commando type raid and attempt save children shoot adult sound human life children and adult alik treat respect even heavili arm religi wacko david koresh lawyer that come peacefulli sooner fbi and atf had noth time hand escal situat and thi senseless tragedi job protect public and save live not kill peopl for cry loud win situat koresh had plenti opportun give and stand trial for murder atf offic order murder children don that read newspap todai that cult member that tank wall that knock lantern caus ranch hous caught fire thi cult member that david koresh had intent commit mass suicid david koresh lawyer confirm thi thi true thi mean that fbi and atf murder that hous even thi not true fbi and atf don hook wait damn long time call waco fire depart perhap want peopl die order reject word fbi and batf neccessari beleiv word man murder children and order suicid murder follow account batf attempt serv warrant koresh ranch and met gunfir deliber attempt murder koresh gun support claim that batf start shoot simpli not stand aft had start shoot heavier grade weaponri standard issu handgun for practic purpos unarm follow had automat weapon you wrong account atf agent adequ arm had and shotgun agent arm automat pistol not atf initi claim retract that agent underarm simpli ludicr seig not allow indefinit quit capabl commit mass suicid and murder children time commando assault like action that achiev that object that riski order magintud harder antebb iranian embassi seig airplan and embassi not design for defens attack ranch apocalyps terrorist easier dislog casualti allow sieg not option risk that koresh proclaim armageddon moment question difficulti keep emmerg team standbi prolong period longer sieg mental prepar koresh and follow for prolong sieg prematur mistak can you get children peopl not want gun control discount entir govern stori thi simpli rationalis not for simpli dismiss govern incompet that requir come solut come govern conspiraci theori govern decid set murder peopl set sort scare alow gun control legisl gun control isn issu sick monkei washington us waco incid reason ban gun will demonstr concern gun control legisl that govern waco and callou peopl right and law thi greatli disturb and disturb you thi conspiraci theori assum that batf deliber agent kill and that fbi etc enjoi sit middl texa shot religi nutter conspiraci theori comfort pretend that waco prove noth incompet govern resolv hostag crisi govt world face compar situat quit manner peacefulli resolv blame not rest fbi rest fact that koresh allow person tip advanc murder atf agent and children conscienc larg number peopl predict end societi preach salvat arm secur fact that peopl pose threat societi place waco not religi nutter polit movement splinter group klu klux klan take schoolhous black area for exampl and hold hundr children hostag solut such situat that can work prevent aris govern world face such situat thi govern carelessli allow high power weaponri becom avali hitler messiah set dictat empir phill hallam baker scott kennedi brewer and patriot david koresh cheap thug interpret bibl barrel gun atf spokesman atf cheap thug interpret constitut barrel gun
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor mhamilto nimitz mc kent edu lawnmowerman write articl aej cmuvm bitnet aej cmuvm bitnet write genocid mass slaughter innoc peopl survivor burn unit local hospit and report that david tower shit hit fan major children children that suppos father thi make bastard children sacraligi zeloit told david and follow that can heat stai kitchen pun intend guess you remind thing you heard amend guess not isn crime relig you sacraligi isn your place judg religion zealot thi countri rememb freedom religion thi countri guess you select that respect bastard children children you condon death prai for your lack soul you john meader gun control hit your target southwestern blvd dalla voicemail uucpmail karnak johnm internet johnm karnak lonestar org
talk.politics.guns	clinton join list genocid socialist leader articl ainn charnel ecst csuchico edu nomad ecst csuchico edu michael larish write clinton respons law enforc action grant nation cover incid clinton had outcom fred flintston clinton conceiv clinton order clinton awar clinton awar wasn clinton prejudg peopl extent believ batf crap child abus and stockpil evil semi automat weapon clinton question feder jurisdict thi matter clinton consid civil right victim for rest won argu whether batf handl initi confront dai problem oper handl decis made suspect that unlaw mistak made dai made govern end that make dai noth macho altern deliv apolog for dai long fbi and batf didn intention set fire tragic major american recent poll problem oper good goddamn bullshit opinion poll american american swallow govern line that fed not stupid line hear american thought staff mcmaster school guilti guilti guilti woop turn weren american onc thought that black slave weren human be woop wrong american thought saddam hussein antichrist dear special friend american govern two year previous you truth isn determin major vote half inform public fact american thi poll resolv sooner you testi newsbreak that interrupt roseann cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	you paranoid freak freed religion absolut noth build small arsen and groom year children your wife come finish manuscript seal david agre that koresh victim perpetr thi grew insid cult and engag power struggl support help inflat ego that doesn chang fact that loos fuck cannon shitload weapon that bang thirteen year old and twist impression mind thi move fuck helicoptor thermal imag compound that afternoon and detect fire erupt almost simultan canist special modifi abram pupm stuff chanc start fire kerosen lamp not fire koresh wasn talk ass expect thi happen want murder had dai thi come time didn even put children buri bu underground bunker seig put into tower die fuck you big brother paranoid freak good thing come thi that will group crazoid attract rootless member societi joe kusmierczak mail trincol edu
talk.politics.guns	fyi batf repli waco articl apr gari gari coffman write articl naglec netcom nagl netcom john nagl write san francisco examin report that clinton issu instruct feder law enforc that not kill injur resolv waco situat built fenc compound and build fenc prison camp level pull manpow and wait month take examin wrong usual clinton li perhap david koresh didn listen mistak made not mean presid li gari gari coffman you make gatech mei gari destruct test system break uunet rsiatl gari shannon guarante emori gari lawrencevil mark
talk.politics.guns	natur waco ga articl inndlu cronkit central sun dbernard clesun central sun write heard network radio new spokesman armi that type ga us waco had ban militari us us ban reason that us extrem nausea blind disorient total irration rage paranoia children suscept and show result earlier talk thi not quit accur tear ga albeit worst kind isn nausea ga and doesn direct cn effect quit bad wors ga briefli expos onc engag berkelei circa and not kind thing you forget moistur activ not made ey sting and water attack breath passag and lung breath pain and entir face felt fire effect persist for hour exposur and cough for dai expos dens concentr thi stuff close space for hour doubt whether find exit can imagin live die welt ist all zerfal ist peter cash apolog ludwig wittgenstein cash convex
talk.politics.guns	congress review atf statu articl vzhf cbnew att lvc cbnew att larri cipriani write washington upi part investig deadli confront texa cult congress will whether bureau alcohol tobacco and firearm move treasuri depart justic depart senat wednesdai idea will consid violent and fatal event begin and end agenc confront branch davidian cult catbox begin smell simpli transfer content into pot plant foyer hillari your govern smell fresh cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	waco burn articl wcyb dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write koresh respons murder rampag murder respons polic bear responsibl for fail stop primari respons murder koresh rampag unnecessari unprovok massiv attack feb even illeg action atf proport reason and pole yesterdai peopl pole govern forc act appropri don reno presid guilt order allow attack suppos believ thing present year plan balanc budget don lead tax increas start middl class tax cut bill readi dai inaugur and dai period will product modern histori will congress for line item veto will lift social secur earn test person prefer disbeliev govern prove that chanc guess read constitut suppos protect citizen and right sick abus govern power tom jefferson govern drawn washington centr power will render powerless check provid govern anoth and will becom venal and oppress govern separ
talk.politics.guns	gun bui back articl apr rti rti org jb rti rti org write articl vmcm csuohio edu vmcm csuohio edu write gun buyback program will hopefulli impact accident shoot youth domest disput gun heat emot and anger and gun stolen and us street level crime you idea that gun buyback program will impact thing evid don misinterret joe make point tha evid effect gun buyback program hopefulli effect prevent injuri death type common incid you research associ urban child research perhap you can comment for ratio accident gun death rate rate accident death singl follow that perhap sort justif for amount effort that anti gunner spend convinc countri that accident gun relat death children problem firearm lead unintent death children ag and don understand ratio accident death import gun don kill children car accid differ sever death and death not us accident gun relat death children justif for gun control convinc that accident gun death children problem assum that human person concern year hold parent gun bedroom drawer and accid blew friend gun buyback program symbol offer commun that sens good explain you symbol offer good point gun buyback program almost run polic depart stress stress good give peopl impress that polic attempt respond interperson gun violenc uniqu thought that had made clear that not that gun buyback program that vast major gun that us youth brought school youth daili basi youth obtain easili and quickli person friend borrow parent knowledg suggest you back and wherev you statist suspect you find you carefulli that number student estim carri weapon not necessarili gun school onc past year and not number student carri gun school daili joe suggest that you talk center prevent handgun violenc center for diseas control you carefulli you will that you greatli underestim presenc gun live youth cphv report that youth bring gun school daili and that bring gun school onc year cdc estim that high school student carri gun school onc cdc that million elementari ag latch kei children kid come home school empti hous access gun home california school report increas student gun confisc and and increas and florida report percent increas gun incid school amd statist will follow man claim messiah new for you folk big chees thi crazi planet our present not carri gun hold children danger hold kid time for realiti check son kid children peopl insid believ that forc evil wait kill you send your children door you believ word wrong dad meant that put children situat fortifi compound harm come not act messiah opinion not that koresh had control children directli hope that messiah not innoc children die claim messiah and peopl such not parent free children let burn aliv for realiti check joe real rodnei
talk.politics.guns	waco burn articl wcyb dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write koresh respons murder rampag murder respons ram page move wildli violent frenzi violent action assault phill you rememb exactli side for troubl polic bear responsibl for fail stop primari respons murder turn that fire caus tank knock coleman lantern you support punish respons peopl phill will you find find reason hang koresh cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl zsyn mtd sugar neosoft jpsb neosoft jim shirreff write fbi start fire didn peopl flee burn build jame dusek jame that determin stai togeth compound matter happen perhap fire accident and simpli refus leav compod perhap di fight fire will wait and persaonlli find hard that agre burn horribl jim shirreff recal graphic new file buddhist monk set fire street saigon horribl appar not horribl that religi convict not carri and sinc discov bullet wound coupl bodi compound possibl that will power immol had will power had constitut fortitud fbi ran fire rage execut two and ran jason durbin oracl europ
talk.politics.guns	photograph remov compound articl new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write two new photograph found compound earlier thi morn permiss explain press corp that thi danger and that unknown photograph turn long len camera mistaken for danger texa ranger survei site word nice camera you dere shame somet wuz happen two photograph jail emphas that survei crime scene thi point crucial and that press not allow interfer press will not allow bodi remov and site complet survei for evid for court case opinion find thi disturb good think critic that koresh larg respons for not end thi standoff peacabl manner last dai patient opportun find secreci surround aftermath damag author posit realiz secreci damag altern base opinion info gather media and filter common sens and consider plausibl imho such opinion subject chang inform made note that mean endors agre conspiraci type theori read and group make your bite size piec wait cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	reword second amend idea articl sugar neosoft kunke neosoft randi kunke write perhap track discuss reword amend thi specif refer bear arm bear and arm kei word simplist that you can pick bear not firearm can restrict amend constitut firearm not even long knive sword common militia weapon centuri and restrict heavili firearm sens gun control make knife control make even cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	holocaust revisit mcsdc jpb dct john bell babbl scotland england last remain coloni you for real peopl dumb give monei and possess gui jesu deserv peopl dumb klinton moder deserv real laugh hear justifi thi massacr bullsh concern tax monei spent wast monei keep texan aliv hell spend import haitian aid can treat taxpay expens kill fed fed kill civilian ran patienc us phrase fed hadn attack home eat dinner famili tonight bad start time twice that worth stormtroop not goddam hero victim left wing govern that violat pledg protect and uphold constitut run amok don worri dweeb gonna back hei white gui quot malcolm and mean nah never mind can thi legal dead happi you brainless cking trogladyt beat soccer fan ignor bliss drool that stupid smile your face peopl die needlessli hope badger climb your kilt don expect uki care thi folk bastard never idea that american had mean defend ourselv and wouldn stand for tyran govern pack back dreari island tail leg twice rememb bad boi whatcha gonna heard that jfk had shot whatcha gonna will you rememb battl waco come for you ken whitehead kdw odin icd
talk.politics.guns	messag for you presid you happen articl usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu christoph morton write previou articl spl pitstop ucsd edu steve lamont comsymp zog you that legitim possessor nuclear weapon unconstitut you and kilogram two nice weapon grade plutonium cruddi pointi head liber lo alamo pinko anoth anti semit anti gunner blunder into tpg and make ass satir tir satura satira lanx satura full plate medlei fem satur sate akin sati sad literari work hold human vice and folli ridicul scorn trenchent wit ironi sarcasm us expos and discredit vice folli syn wit spl steve lamont scivigui spl szechuan ucsd edu san diego microscopi and imag resourc san diego jolla car car bumper strip
talk.politics.guns	dayton gun bui back boston gun bui back excerpt netnew talk polit gun apr dayton gun bui back larri cipriani cbnew similar pro gun peopl can for exampl pai lawfulli protect life firearm sound bit tacki hei work pro gun peopl can us pot metal gun sale valu and turn make profit gun grabber expens seth unlik cat dog never scratch you you wash becom sad and figur wrong dave barri seth eliot dept materi scienc and engin carnegi mellon univer pittsburgh arpa eliot cmu edu andrew cmu edu bitnet andrew cmccvb
talk.politics.guns	senat and hous address articl dad vinci uswc uswest pprun august uswc usw post gener address for congress and senat that can write letter unit state senat washington hous repres washington white hous washington seth unlik cat dog never scratch you you wash becom sad and figur wrong dave barri seth eliot dept materi scienc and engin carnegi mellon univer pittsburgh arpa eliot cmu edu andrew cmu edu bitnet andrew cmccvb
talk.politics.guns	clinton join list genocid socialist leader articl vmcm csuohio edu vmcm csuohio edu write articl rnn rdt usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu brandon rai write previou articl nomad ecst csuchico edu michael larish articl btr btr michaelh public btr michael hahn michaelh btr write partial list excel socialist visionari and toll unpopular religi ethnic social group mao tse tung million kill stalin million kill hitler million kill pol pot kill clinton kill relax had hundr dai you peopl amus pervers sort you tragic unpleas situat that you feel terribl injustac and assign blame and link incid simpli don fit your extrem narrow definit good clinton respons law enforc action grant nation cover incid clinton had outcom fred flintston perhap you rock last dai batf and fbi feder agenc clinton admit front new camera that janet reno onc and futur attornei gener gave full brief plan and gave ahead possibl that make teensi bit respons fbi cia batf etc feder agenc you correct visibl and clear chain command prez and that agenc inform reno inform clinton etc naiv agenc oper distinct and seper entiti and ultim account prez make move and prez knew thi not not fit idealist structur chain command lead white hous that bureaucraci not compos peopl talk regular basi lunch and golf togeth agre fbi batf mess not storm compound not jehova wit religi minor thi countri protestant minor religion world bd cult definit and histori cult thi not persecut religi ethnic enclav koresh messiah rais baptist not practic religion and not that big gui upstair dig divis closeminded and wing moron that associ religion messiah that taught not carri gun alon stockpil weapon you can doubt batf report you want david koresh not poor soul unjustli persecut inform come govern exager public opinion side that thing that cult member true thi anoth excus and blame presid clinton for peopl attempt thi for polit motiv asham keep thi countri reach full potenti you make two point ultim overse feder agenc you mention and sinc koresh appar view point your baptist upbring not worthi protect religi persecut messiah not christ comfort belong govern approv religion baptist cult two btw definit dictionari cult jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	waco willi author cook fbi director statement note local group trim newsgroup line articl geraldo utexa edu nash utexa edu donald nash write articl transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write you time law enforc agenc opinion mind break into assault hous correct unfortun choic word hope that law enforc agenc your attitud mind time your wife gang rape bunch juvenil drug deal thug jog park strike that etc batf hors trailer men ninja uniform machin gun and stun grenad and us koresh even warrant koresh fought back and peopl di kei part thi sentens koresh fought back thi big mistak polic decid exert author you you don fight back you want peopl hurt you ceas resist and signal your submiss author cop boss you subject concept defens illeg action color law kaput longer govern peopl peopl govern peopl biggest gun idea sort court fine court piec that korash had good reason that not that chanc below aren beat and kill peopl spite action bad appl you quit resist quit hit perhap batf react threat pose koresh perhap us forc fine will conced that point suffici proof produc and admit that evid thi resist batf worst thing koresh hadn resist good chanc that hurt remeb stun grenad not anti personnel grenad bd not violat rember korash didn sort thi seren type keyboard heard kind explos attack overt action stun grenad anymor slam door that point and proceed repel attack felt genuin fear life fear life that point you shot clear and logic you that pressur you second evalu and not time that law enforc intend bring suspect horizont for inform hei gui batf come gangbust and mean wast you latest new releas warrant told reason for thi iii raid that korash group had spent firearm and relat stuff undetermin period even assum that figur isn calcul fed drug siezur for peopl that isn that you price decent gun hell can person that that for individu machinegun avid collector law pass not illeg indic illeg lot gun note that warrant had noth machin gun justif thi cowboi raid romp bad for anti gun media hype support clinton push for disarm unconnect citizen and effect defens weapon thi administr thing mind control peopl control whether gun control clinton crippl chip nation smart card boil peopl control can you year late knew you law releas had thi had happen and turn that batf had us forc bd ground for law suit and for feder charg civil right violat sound lot huh don that wrong not comment rodnei king case that not want tip that batf and adopt violent threaten postur greet batf decid fight and batf knew bd expect minut report decid big bad cakewalk bd expens for nice media show turn shit and fbi take manag thing turn shit clinton take full respons bah respons mean repercuss wrong bet you pai repercuss respons mean media mean corner averag joe schmoe figur clinton reno fbi and batf will immun can you whitewash thi issu not convinc you folk and you not convinc work don afraid govern land free and you decid thi accept even afraid you decid for reason dislik longer feel confin cowboi tactic kook wierdo pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
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talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl hjy new cso uiuc edu irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin write articl transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write articl bigboot wpi edu mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein write napalm wood stove insid ignit point stove us warm dai texa you eat your food cold hear electr oven microwav popular electr stove metro area not power cut for week end gener doubt fuel wood stove and kerosen lanter alleg that tank push wall knock lanter start fire rememb fbi had bug even us illeg eavesdrop privat convers lawyer suicid order time fed had concern had emerg equip readi not hour not leav water turn turn back didn wanna score settl pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
talk.politics.guns	flame net flame waco articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu scasburn magnu ac ohio state edu steven casburn write articl vgme goa usenet uc indiana edu wwarf silver uc indiana edu yne warf write articl krt new cso uiuc edu irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin write you won govern and press not reliabl logic you base your statement wild specul lace healthi dose paranoia you moron illiter forgot you gui that doesn microwav oven electr never mind and you gui that doesn that illiter peopl can write coher sentenc that make you superior god made typo and us word god come burn hous deserv steve casburn scasburn magnu ac ohio state edu across page across ag move hand histori plead for kinder ey not dream mark king wayn warf wwarf uc indiana edu speak for clinton gore cia fbi dea assassin bomb wod bor atf ir resist nsa christian god satan apocalyps zog nazi socialist communist explos fundamentalist revolut nsc feder reserv constitut gold fema
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch updat articl larri apr peak psl nmsu edu larri peak psl nmsu edu wrote apr yodicet gtewd mtv gtegsc liber weeni come woodwork defend burn children drool watch coverag had that nazi germani yeah atf fbi claim media that survivor number vari minut minut yodicet yodicet yodicet hmm you don appear didn mean post respond not pretti speak for chip switzer witti prove noth chipsw microsoft voltair
talk.politics.guns	articl qepl cbnew att lvc cbnew att larri cipriani write post text amend titl unit state code ensur that handgun person demonstr knowledg and skill safe us mainten and storag individu not licens thi section not possess handgun date final regul prescrib pursuant para graph individu issu handgun permit paragraph note that thi licens bill pretend train bill gridlock mechan succe slow growth rate big govern
talk.politics.guns	medic examin evid for bullet wound dhartung chinet chi dan hartung write appar need clarifi comment thursdai nizam plawabi spell medic examin for tarrant counti texa author waco death state that sinc autopsi had perform evid for bullet wound evid bullet wound janet reno state that had never told bullet wound justic depart new radio station kanu lawrenc thi mondai morn heard nasal sound voic supposedli waco coron claim that had found two person kill singl shot forehead myron preserv freedom box soap ballot juri and cartridg myron calhoun phd assoc professor home internet mac ci ksu edu work fax rutger depot mac packet bb pbv vai nek usa naom
talk.politics.guns	children firearm etc injuri articl want asu student data and copi articl accid injuri death children articl state ag limit children relat firearm for sociolog report copi long edgar suter articl and can find paul blackman nra expos articl section thereof deal comparison time locat ag group reason for accid injuri death percentag send and node advanc tom crise
talk.politics.guns	gun bui back articl vmcm csuohio edu vmcm csuohio edu write articl apr rti rti org jb rti rti org write articl vmcm csuohio edu vmcm csuohio edu write gun buyback program will hopefulli impact accident shoot youth domest disput gun heat emot and anger and gun stolen and us street level crime you idea that gun buyback program will impact thing evid don misinterret joe make point tha evid effect gun buyback program hopefulli effect prevent injuri death type common incid you research associ urban child research perhap you can comment for ratio accident gun death rate rate accident death singl follow that perhap sort justif for amount effort that anti gunner spend convinc countri that accident gun relat death children problem firearm lead unintent death children ag and don understand ratio accident death import gun don kill children car accid differ sever death and death not us accident gun relat death children justif for gun control convinc that accident gun death children problem assum that human person concern year hold parent gun bedroom drawer and accid blew friend death wanna discuss match control firearm relat unintent death children ag and fault neglig person not gun gun buyback program symbol offer commun that sens good explain you symbol offer good point gun buyback program almost run polic depart stress stress good give peopl impress that polic attempt respond interperson gun violenc uniqu thought that had made clear that not that gun buyback program provid fals hope intent that vast major gun that us youth brought school youth daili basi youth obtain easili and quickli person friend borrow parent knowledg suggest you back and wherev you statist suspect you find you carefulli that number student estim carri weapon not necessarili gun school onc past year and not number student carri gun school daili joe suggest that you talk center prevent handgun violenc center for diseas control you carefulli you will that you greatli underestim presenc gun live youth cphv report that youth bring gun school daili and that bring gun school onc year cdc estim that high school student carri gun school onc cdc that million elementari ag latch kei children kid come home school empti hous access gun home california school report increas student gun confisc and and increas and florida report percent increas gun incid school amd statist increas california school gun control work fine will follow man claim messiah new for you folk big chees thi crazi planet our present not carri gun hold children danger hold kid time for realiti check son kid children peopl insid believ that forc evil wait kill you send your children door you believ word wrong dad meant that put children situat fortifi compound harm come not act messiah opinion not that koresh had control children directli hope that messiah not innoc children die claim messiah and peopl such not parent free children let burn aliv for realiti check joe real your religion that make wrong even assum koresh made that decis and verdict that rodnei jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	you paranoid freak articl apr starbas trincol edu write freed religion absolut noth build small arsen and groom year children your wife come finish manuscript seal david agre that koresh victim perpetr thi grew insid cult and engag power struggl support help inflat ego that doesn chang fact that loos fuck cannon shitload weapon that bang thirteen year old and twist impression mind thi move fuck helicoptor thermal imag compound that afternoon and detect fire erupt almost simultan canist special modifi abram pupm stuff chanc start fire kerosen lamp not fire koresh wasn talk ass expect thi happen want murder had dai thi come time didn even put children buri bu underground bunker seig put into tower die fuck you big brother paranoid freak good thing come thi that will group crazoid attract rootless member societi joe kusmierczak mail trincol edu not made mind waco group devot govern fanat will that govern shred doubt thought thier shrill whenev belief structur shaken kinda remind you bd doesn jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	natur waco ga cash convex peter cash write articl inndlu cronkit central sun dbernard clesun central sun write reason that us extrem nausea blind disorient total irration rage paranoia children suscept and show result earlier talk thi not quit accur tear ga albeit worst kind isn nausea ga and doesn direct cn effect quit bad wors ga public consid possibl that fire set for defenc suicid and destruct and confus caus tank and ga caus thing bd control spend program invest tax contribut and peopl dictionari dan quayl employ not respons for that
talk.politics.guns	cult practic fbi broadcast amplifi sound tortur rabbit burn aliv men women and children hand sick puppi jim hart jhart agora rain arlen specter for presid
talk.politics.guns	ammo fire waco burn bressler iftccu boe rick bressler write small arm round set firearm pose risk possibl ey injuri and minor wound true larg concentr ammo magazin not type you insert into your semi auto pose larger risk heat and flame thi cover refer risk smaller stash stash confin heat earli ignit bulk heat remaind two year ago thi month hous and offic burn offic reload bench top shelf wooden ceil lb smokeless powder lb black powder thousand primer and coupl thousand load round primarili acp and fire extinguish area contain reload suppli fulli involv char joist subsequ remov sandblast lot heat word powder keg ignit can pistol powder ignit explos can open seam design black powder can char and hot plastic lid complet melt and ran insid smokless powder contain cardboard metal keg keg char badli that paper label burn complet and case metal can plastic lid melt complet round cook close proxim wood side effect easi observ case rifl ammo cartridg case ruptur middl bullet found neck small shard brass lightli stuck into wood lightli that brush fingertip dislodg primer gener pop primer pocket acp round that cook left empti case and bullet lai dent observ storag area indic bullet left case slowli not hazard ordinari small arm ammo not hazard cook fbi john john armond oqc interest high perform mobil perform engin magazin interest high tech and comput marietta send snail mail address jgd dixi perform dixi for free sampl mag lee harvei oswald
talk.politics.guns	truth waco dhartung chinet chi dan hartung write massiv dan blather mercifulli delet last sentenc hell govern judg religion wrong thi event hope will record histori american holocaust peopl murder govern sure jew nazi hang head shame for allow govern becom never judg religion action had live quiet religi life claim raid sieg and death chose cours action turn that stupid not irrat stockpil weapon second shoot feder agent stai insid last time check amass arsen and practic kind religion mention pass bill right guess you brush order justifi kill bunch religi nutcak idiot run into daili life dan your type scare you accept expedi and coward safeti belief long govern tell you you assum that doesn comform your belief and wai think wrong and bad wors you accept question govern wrong wrong david koresh religion not mine baptist methodist cathol rest corpor religion even koresh baptist methodist etc don recogn that religion equal valid mine and importantli equal protect amend you not that koresh and suspect fit catagori read bibl time and learn discov that lot corpor religion practic isn justifi interpret bibl koresh and you individu collect great socialist whatsoev you koresh that religion wrong you that easi for davidian forsak believ and walk compound order save you capabl for moment belief you hold dearest you abandon that belief suddenli told govern you you beneath contempt assum you belief that you hold dear commit your life you correct action for your govern initi action specif design forc you make that forsak die decis forsak die option exactli govern forc davidian dai wave black clad stormtroop fire that shot and toss that grenad fbi clench dai heavi armor odd men women and children hole ricketi build and arm small arm peopl stai held belief person safeti individu person honor demand die submit believ that bill right meant exactli peopl deepest respect religion peopl you blith blow murder peopl come scorn contempt spit your face not network you not worth ash peopl burn john john armond oqc interest high perform mobil perform engin magazin interest high tech and comput marietta send snail mail address jgd dixi perform dixi for free sampl mag lee harvei oswald
talk.politics.guns	mormon and jew articl dazixco ingr crphilli hound dazixca ingr ron phillip write articl dyj world std rjk world std robert kolker write you for rememb matzada matzada not insan act sanctif name and extrem denial tyranni thi dai offic tzahal isreal defens forc oath fortress tepol shaynit matzadah matzadah will not fall not anymor recent archaeolog inspect site present pretti compel evid that mass suicid masada never occur thi evid compel tha tzahal long hold secret ceremoni fortress ron phillip crphilli hound dazixca ingr senior custom engin intergraph electron east evelyn avenu voic mountain view fax heard thi elabor
talk.politics.guns	waco clinton press confer part articl rpp jfh rpp john haugh write articl blake nevada edu blake nevada edu rawlin blake write hope that kent state taught lesson appar not appar govern will murder choos that despit claim that kent state fire shotgun soldier projectil that can prove direct soldier rock john haugh pgp utexa edu rpp jfh bell dof jfh rpp cactu org firearm shot nation guard kent state time shoot rock thrown squad slowli proceed knoll bodi student student taunt and photograph incid show two student and taunt seri photograph show squad slowli proceed hill occasion nco hand turn back onc command entir squad turn and fire garand fire round into crowd nco can shown thi full recoil two student shot had noth taunter pass and not particip confront disput whether guard even legal campu appar had not invit state school presid had conveni flown coop not governor ohio jame rhode had embark senat campaign and want that tough peacenik had order guard matter quickli cover year wound survivor launch civil lawsuit respons settlement made and term plaintiff not discuss and guilti individu not identifi fact shooter squad identifi tragic incid not provok student appar gener delcorso command studi incid photo imo independ action small squad soldier
talk.politics.guns	blast time articl usenet in cwru edu oldham ce cwru edu daniel oldham happen waco not fault batf had proper equip and person captur compound initi assault and thi happen proper equip problem that thing wrong atf serv warrant peacabl manner bunch rambo gun blaze not excus david koresh that atf henceforth cigarett cop raid improp manner batf peopl weapon and armor transport meet hostil fire us forc retreat stand you job batf protect and proper equip and peopl job fbi custom and local polic offic atf job don anymor cigarett cop leftov prohibit dai anachron wod and increas crime street batf need blast good foke that price pai for law and order thi countri good peopl that di war protect thi great countri our includ you cigarett cop kick your door and cut you half machin gun thi happen wrong address and raid your home for exampl happen and can happen heard instanc knock raid sour recent heard case polic raid thi gui home thought had dope gui blew offic and didn jail for judg hear case rule that man act defens arm build waco need hit that compound mega fire power blast and kill women and kid let burn death dai you that that sure fbi and atf handl thi fiasco didn massacr peopl stimpi fake dad shame shame doubl shame fbi and atf asham theirselv scott kennedi brewer and patriot david koresh cheap thug interpret bibl barrel gun atf spokesman atf cheap thug interpret constitut barrel gun
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi reveng articl hydra gatech edu prism gatech edu glenn stone rwing pat rwing pat myrto write for impeach yeah slickmeist and hillari buddi janet respons want resign desk yesterdai want thier butt feder civil right violat carri life prison penalti and contribut arlen specter presidenti campaign for nad launch senat investig second that motion wholeheartedli tcan cigarett cop atf comment glenn stone glenn ea gatech edu america distress flag upsid so save your republ longer exist scott kennedi brewer and patriot david koresh cheap thug interpret bibl barrel gun atf spokesman atf cheap thug interpret constitut barrel gun
talk.politics.guns	you shoot cooper polic show you repeat your inform request will you question and verifi fact and your ly fill statement and show requir identif and weapon permit booo regist citizen regist your politician deadli tax weapon need confisc requir your state contact lawyer immedi decid thi call you not requir you lawyer present and not such time not constru derogatori your you can us you you will talk polic peopl will gather evid for prosecutor us you
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talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor jdurbin oracl jason durbin write even half specul conspiraci made thi true expect that you peopl call for atf fbi texa ranger congress and branch govern immedi and completei disband except jeez you peopl beleiv thi crap you beleiv zionist occup govern and tooth fairi jason heard peopl talk thi dismiss conspiraci nut talk conspiraci begin lot bad decis that into thi tragedi and peopl take evas action avoid held respons for unexpect result bad decis that ti into conspiraci theori rave derang cultist stockpil weapon and suicid pact admittedli mistak made attribut malic stupid lot that thi pretti close begin and woud agre that thi tragedi result stupid malic jason durbin oracl europ
talk.politics.guns	mormon and jew articl mhtinna cronkit central sun dbernard clesun central sun dave bernard that includ murder children kill atf offic not gun law texa koresh folk claim grenad grenad launcher and rocket launcher not that nra feel that thi fall bear arm waco wacko had grenad launcher and rocket launcher weren us armor vehicl that attack hous media state that small arm ineffect fire us notic that special agent asshol rick state that david koresh had explos that blow armor vehicl feet into air look that bd had plenti opportun us explos provid that had place for exampl tank inject ga into ranch hous ranch hous bd weren live fortress easili destroi disabl that tank idl for consider length time didn thi that didn explos similar munit don bui atf and fbi hopefulli truth will come noteworthi fire had burn for time explos occur explos media that thi explos that bd posess don thi case brother and notic that thi call explos resembl plume propan ga ignit figur that thi explos look and sound wasn due tnt dynamit propan explos explos ranch hous greatli resembl thi notic that look propan tank char rubl dai isn curiou that atf wasn forthcom offic kill week had state that offic had kill and wound grenad thrown bd earlier ask spokesperson whether not autopsi had perform slain agent that autopsi had weren readi releas find thi atf hide perhap agent kill friendli fire death exactli thi atf agent throw grenad into compound matter fact koresh hand lawyer grenad bodi lawyer visit compound lawyer gave grenad bodi don dud spent btw atf you want bet that thi grenad will mysteri disappear thi point time peopl had grenad atf agent wouldn shocker found evid grenad rocket explos rubbl atf egg face note that atf initi sweep rubbl fbi and texa ranger won investig atf thi perfect opportun for atf make that find want for find you mean paranoid reason recal that week had that bd had us grenad recal that earli atf had deni that agent us grenad bd ly scott kennedi brewer and patriot david koresh cheap thug interpret bibl barrel gun atf spokesman atf cheap thug interpret constitut barrel gun
talk.politics.guns	texa vote todai call texa legisl bill track servic and found that conceal carri schedul for floor vote todai phone call roll daryl daryl biberdorf gjm biberdorf tamu edu sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura
talk.politics.guns	you paranoid freak articl apr starbas trincol edu write freed religion absolut noth build small arsen and groom year children your wife come finish manuscript seal david agre that koresh victim perpetr thi grew insid cult and engag power struggl support help inflat ego that doesn chang fact that loos fuck cannon shitload weapon that bang thirteen year old and twist impression mind thi move fuck helicoptor thermal imag compound that afternoon and detect fire erupt almost simultan canist special modifi abram pupm stuff chanc start fire kerosen lamp not fire koresh wasn talk ass expect thi happen want murder had dai thi come time didn even put children buri bu underground bunker seig put into tower die fuck you big brother paranoid freak good thing come thi that will group crazoid attract rootless member societi agre you joe rodnei thoma
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talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai previou articl rat cbnewsc att morri cat thi person parrot fbi line fire set six hour tear ga inject suppos you fed sniper wit bd set fire claim that tear ga heard report claim that infrar camera branch dividian set fire you excus yeah thermal gunsight armor vehicl discuss militari hardwar and weapon media gener ufolog convent sceptic find quit strang that oper thermal viewer daytim battl unusu sens that federal combat oper gass that thi infam hallucin ga garden varieti militari tearga human and harmless teenag boi knock drill sergeant flat get pretti that newli born religi group will studi fbi tactic and build anti armor barricad and tank trap make time lot bloodier for federal you expect idiot and crimin confirm paranoid paranoia you smarter you opinion
talk.politics.guns	denver post classifi assault weapon across notic denver post classifi secction thi morn april begin quot notic denver post will longer knowingli accept advertis bui sell assault weapon denver post find that us assault weapon pose threat health safeti and secur reader end quot suppos post right refus such ad second sentenc noxiou feel compel bring attent readership call post classifi number and express displeasur supervisor spoke post react public complaint run assult weapon ad paper keep track reaction chang polici strongli encourag denver post reader call and make feel eric snyder depart mcd biologi make feet for children shoe univers colorado boulder boulder colorado
talk.politics.guns	you paranoid freak thi move fuck helicoptor thermal imag compound that afternoon and detect fire erupt almost simultan notic helicopt equip thermal imag equip manifest turret front helo sphere top rotor optic element didn notic helo equip such us handheld militari thermal scanner record capabl and credibl report subject human error
talk.politics.guns	waco burn articl acsu buffalo edu qheg ubvmsd buffalo edu vasilion write not necessarili bodi had denatur cook dehydr due heat projectil minim kinet forc penetr fire aftermath bodi tend fall apart loos larg chunk meat effort medic examin tend not clean such scene such bodi had suitabl cook bullet com magazin explos like forc enter and difficult determin whether bullet enter time death you train for evid texa ranger not pathologist vasilion thi quit corect bullet hit burn bodi energi will show virtual deform hollow point not expand fmj pristen bullet will not mark land ang groov barrel didn come good pathologist notic thi hope that that handl bodi compet jfk bodi jag
talk.politics.guns	natur waco ga previou articl dbernard clesun central sun dave bernard heard network radio new spokesman armi that type ga us waco had ban militari us us ban draft intern agreement us chemic weapon warfar reason that us extrem nausea blind disorient total irration rage paranoia don paranoia and irration rest pretti close you left inabl breath you can make claim that peopl will fairli derang thing teenag flatten drill sergeant tent full rais anoth issu children suscept and show result earlier thi stuff janet reno told safe for children didn mention that open wouldn harm children wouldn us close proxim infant hand confin space effect greatli intensifi point lethal sinc suffici quantiti will displac oxygen run chamber care attent paid ventil check bd asthmat suffer respiratori diseas doubt you smarter you opinion
talk.politics.guns	two question give two question bradi bill new happen congress bush veto state virginia pass gun control bill febrauari thi year limit gun purchas month thi correct bill number
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi thing waco complain debacl waco hard understand thi angst happend noth want happen sour grape batf for propaganda event counteract impend budget cut attend press initi big commando raid proof easier grab koresh and central follow shop waco ala propaganda fbi screw big time time never allow situat drag that quick second assault bd decid strategi plan bd biggest screw up imagin that law and law enforc had jurisdict countri wrong had whatsoev fire batf and mistook ident initi surrend onc realiz bd had problem warrant court rest want full auto weapon obtain proper permit rest not decid for law appli and not chanc rest vote booth batf and fbi becom dai gestapo becom that desir vote law and lawmak choic year approv creation and form batf and fbi fbi chase pinko gener public didn mind bit extra constitut activ batf raid milit black organ don mind heavi hand fbi dick right pothead public doesn mind suddenli bit ourselv current enemi choosen agenc bent shape supris you reap you sow waco encapsul american experi religi fanatic militarist think and overwhelm violenc don blame fbi and batf act paramet set year made jim mason
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talk.politics.guns	arlen specter address articl apr icd kdw icd kenneth whitehead write arlen spectr address want write and for show leadership demand congression investig into waco mess ken you talk man feder attornei frustrat proper investig jfk assassin hous sub committe assassin fox and hen hous joe gaut super state not gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu matter happen rememb alamo truth govern choos rememb waco you justic happen jim garrison orlean
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talk.politics.guns	clinton join list genocid socialist leader articl transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar wrote perhap you rock sinc turn centuri man suppos review singl freak government action dai that execut branch review plan and wasn architect and wasn bullhorn hand implement respons sens that brief shit happen hei joe assum you rememb you feel presidenti respons time reagan don recal arm for hostag meet olli north gang you feel bush loop that decis thick respons sens that brief shit happen that you not differ formul foreign polici and overse atf handl scenario involv group religi fanat peopl compar appl and orang joe kusmierczak mail trincol edu
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talk.politics.guns	batf fbi thing waco articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write complain debacl waco hard understand thi angst happend noth want happen sour grape cute word angst convei volum interest thi definit such fluid pronoun batf for propaganda event counteract impend budget cut attend press initi big commando raid proof easier grab koresh and central follow shop waco ala propaganda fbi screw big time time never allow situat drag that quick second assault bd decid strategi plan bd biggest screw up imagin that law and law enforc had jurisdict countri wrong paranoid cult middl sudden had worst paranoid fear reinforc joi had whatsoev fire batf and mistook ident initi surrend onc realiz paranoid nut can held fed for dai bd had problem warrant court rest want full auto weapon obtain proper permit rest not decid for law appli and not chanc rest vote booth vote booth highli rate peopl lazi butt year two year hell don even that batf and fbi becom dai gestapo becom that desir decid that doesn make differ and that for instanc lot peopl speak gun control bill local govern dozen pro gun speaker show and anti win doesn matter show matter will scream and isn that peopl give damn that don damn world vote law and lawmak choic year approv creation and form batf and fbi fbi chase pinko gener public didn mind bit extra constitut activ gener public not even read constitut and learn distort pictur thing david veal univers tennesse divis continu educ utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh you push elev shaft sometim think you don love anymor weird yankov
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talk.politics.guns	clinton join list genocid socialist leader articl apr starbas trincol edu write articl ycou cbnews att random cbnews att david pope wrote articl apr starbas trincol edu meet group baptist stockpil cambel soup and and bang marri thirteen yuear sic old numer baptist that you hang you haven behavior trait stock food for week own firearm definit cult proof david aquitt lead you that bang marri thirteen year old your wife that you equat marriag bang sic you bright understood typo that reason insert folk random hadn made error repost your messag flame you for typo parent children had time insid compound made aforement charg parent spoke charg refer year daughter koresh phone heard such claim disgruntl member true proof and thi batf and fbi action you miss point you miss you son bitch you can draw distinct two thing sinc thi gui doesn concept freedom religion insult you and your mom sinc you unabl formul cogent respons you make lame joke peopl you cheapen constitut defend sociopath aren deserv life and chill paranoia sociopath person asoci antisoci beahavior sociopath person can stand peopl share ranch hous anti social mean respons societ norm steal sociopath behavior not oxymoron group sociopath guess you not psychologist joe kusmierczak mail trincol edu suddenli becom clear you educ man discov net spring won asshol us sig can send mail wast bandwidth thi not return address header newsgroup talk polit gun subject clinton join list genocid socialist leader organ triniti colleg hartford line david pope random reason newsread simpli hit repli comment not educ internet us man random joe kusmierczak mail trincol edu jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	clinton join list genocid socialist leader articl apr starbas trincol edu write articl innd clem handheld jmd cube handheld jim arra wrote articl apr starbas trincol edu write meet group baptist stockpil cambel soup and and bang marri thirteen yuear old don recal baptist that suppos and list dictionari characterist cult mother stockpil campbel soup sale you son bitch you can draw distinct two thing you intoler foul mouth human you sound you readi join kkk neo nazi narrow mind fuck you patern grandpar di oswiecym aushwitz nativ tongu for you pseudo histor liter peopl and beje peke care nativ tongu long understand each suggest you search long and hard find diffus sensibl not feet wouldn your patern grandpar di oswiecym aushwitz easier prove lesson paid thier live for wast you tootin horn you expert feel compel brag circumst grandpar death peopl you cheapen constitut defend sociopath aren deserv life and chill paranoia don care cult languag problem problem religi fanat claim god bit unsettl stockpil year suppli can food and weapon hold compani not mention atf place and talk care unbeliev grant that moment noth wrong recogn and respect that atf discov doesn proper permit for purchas and fail pai tax batf offens true parent come forward and demand that previou charg child abus refil interview parent children compound point parent claim psycholog and sexual abus children statement support charg local offens true total batf domain knock haven heard that not anoth gui mind busi hell give gun world don bother scari sort don you didn man chose sort person you want your daughter date thought prejudici underton trust daughter judgement didn reason number doubt legal statement made survivor note that made guard hesit expertli train killer don side blindli fire atf that not mistak red white and blue american defend home big brother fire announc beleiv can pound your door and claim polic will you lai and justifi fire atf defens that shit doesn fly background that will shoot and kill feder law enforc offici not good citizen crusad enjoi support loos cannon opinion background law convict break past joe kusmierczak mail trincol edu jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	two question articl sbanka templ edu sbanka templ edu write give two question bradi bill new happen congress bush veto bradi bill pass hous fail reach vote senat such never reach bush sarah bradi condemn not withstand pass hous and will pass senat can vote whether not busi thing will question don expect gung opposit part senat republican sinc won want us fillibust trump card david veal univers tennesse divis continu educ utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh you push elev shaft sometim think you don love anymor weird yankov
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talk.politics.guns	gun backcountri articl netnew upenn edu egedi ahwenasa ci upenn edu dania egedi write articl apr csd newshost stanford edu andi sail stanford edu andi freeman write articl apr midwai uchicago edu pkgeragh gsbphd uchicago edu kevin geraghti write wrong gun for protect mindset ignor system effect cumul individu action you want fire insur your hous that prudent and effect you and bunch paranoid pack handgun backcountri make and doesn chose protect thi manner pretti king nervou you not threat you not affect aha that part that make nervou get decid threat possibl receiv end violent gestur decid for not bad exactli you live creatur term evalu big deal base appear sometim feel threaten approach dirti smelli slightli maniac person slight glaze ey mutter doesn thi describ backpack coupl dai not experi and not forget that context import factor evalu situat dishevel person hike trail not like evalu equal meet grimei sort describ lone citi street that cannot properli discrimin two situat legitim fodder for surviv fittest principl base proxim room pass trail get real close sens get nervou sound you doubt your abil you sound pretti typic thi respect you that you safe safer unarm thi danger fantasi twice hike shelter that plan stai and sit clean gun softli back and hike anoth mile freeli admit not afraid gun afraid peopl that bring into backcountri you form therapi not necessarili that analyst you learn gun your fear base ignor and fals knowledg you person gun and you feel threaten thi you legitim basi for thi hand experi that lend valid your fear your fear base mediat experi anecdot such network new trust you can lack legitimaci such mediat input and you afraid peopl mention forgiv you sound afraid point paranoia perhap you talk thi not thi rude fasceti fear deep and baseless sort live fear suck even peopl gun back countri you fear park ranger front you side arm clear view not andi
talk.politics.guns	civil right violat eighth amend davidian suffer cruel and unusu punish thoe escap imprison bail hear happen time arraign dai doubt you luck thi point had heard that not arraign held materi wit
talk.politics.guns	gun amex and name never spoken for ban gun america that and wrong hand you reduc number you affect good responc gun owner person freedom don that you can and don pai for european societi individu and that you give make that societi work car and gun not mix make point america norwai space you cross car essenti part gun hand not essenti norwai don argu that ban gun ban car that hitler and avoid gun germani read histori thi discuss ban weapon for american make harder for crimin chang name wrote that read post waco incid poster move post alt conspiraci make newsgroup you read post waco fire you mean batf warrant for gun search reason child abus for instanc doesn peopl read thi newsgroup access clari new hierarci mi uninform clari new hierarci rule and censor corrupt facist gover thoma parsli
talk.politics.guns	clinton join list genocid socialist leader articl apr starbas trincol edu write peopl you cheapen constitut defend sociopath aren deserv life and chill paranoia don care cult languag problem problem religi fanat claim god bit unsettl stockpil year suppli can food crime and weapon hold compani crime not mention atf place and talk care unbeliev crime substanti your claim that koresh thi for never heard thi mention you hear grant that moment noth wrong recogn and respect that moment you decid that claim god longer protect constitut happen separ church and state atf discov doesn proper permit for purchas and fail pai tax evid thi hear origin warrant reason for feb raid seal unseal warrant initi raid parent come forward and demand that previou charg child abus refil interview parent children compound point funni haven interview interest that social servic agenc investig koresh previou charg found absolut evid abus parent claim psycholog and sexual abus children statement support charg funni don rememb hear children statement you you heard thi heard that children left compound earli seig exhibit sign typic abus physic mental thi newspap and nation new you hear that job batf and fbi lai sieg home child abus suspect thought you knock haven heard that not anoth gui mind busi koresh that can constru mind busi batf raid place hell give gun world don bother scari sort don you sort person you want your daughter date didn reason number doubt legal statement made survivor your logic amaz your grandpar di auschwitz turn grave hear cavalierli you throw peopl protect law you scari and not sort person you want your daughter date sort peopl you suppos nazi thought your grandpar not sort want fraulein date note that made guard hesit expertli train killer and suppos you exactli train killer kill fire atf that not mistak red white and blue american defend home big brother that shit doesn fly you background that will shoot and kill feder law enforc offici not good citizen crusad enjoi support background didn claim messiah your book shoot and kill feder law enforc offici good citizen crusad enjoi support loos cannon opinion worth paper print you amaz simpli amaz joe
talk.politics.guns	waco insid stori atf burn dhartung chinet chi dan hartung write dear dear come couldn you had tear gass you wouldn quick condem
talk.politics.guns	clinton join list genocid socialist leader joe don you put your usernam your account mon apr gmt joe kusmierczak mail trincol edu wrote atf discov doesn proper permit for purchas and fail pai tax claim discov time raid base incorrect evid knock haven heard that knock associ press report found collect excerpt articl knoxvil new sentinel final edit mondai march bylin associ press waco texa fierc gun battl erupt sundai law offic arrest leader heavili arm religi cult feder agent and two cult member report kill gun battl began feder agent hidden livestock trailer storm sect head quarter sundai morn wit agent had warrant search for gun and explos and arrest howel le stanford atf washington wit law offic storm compound main home throw concuss grenad and scream come nation guard helicopt approach for moment respons shoot began storm sect head quater and throw concuss grenad qualifi knock perhap illeg assault not anoth gui mind busi hell give gun world don bother scari sort don you sort person you want your daughter date not you fire atf that not mistak red white and blue american defend home big brother that shit doesn fly background that will shoot and kill and background prior crime had convict feder law enforc offici not good citizen crusad batf feder tax enforc offici not polic polic power charl scripter cescript phy mtu edu dept physic michigan tech houghton peopl cannot and inform part wrong will discont proport import fact misconc remain quiet such misconcept lethargi forerunn death public liberti thoma jefferson nov
talk.politics.guns	bennett ban bayonet wrote letter dai empow america organ claim champion conserv issu esp wake republican defeat last fall organ creat network support conserv for individu prep for run you close truth two lead spokesmen bill bennett drug czar heartili support bush semi auto import ban and wonder help put big lie sport us into public ey and jack kemp recent support semi auto ban conserv thought interest that ran word perfect spell check letter correct for bennett ban bayonet needless found choic amus collectiv individu ancient conflict men come close truth destroi each time and civil fell anoth civil progress societi privaci savag exist public rule law tribe civil process set man free men ayn rand roark speech fountainhead don speak for compani hire polit correct that
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talk.politics.guns	batf achiev object move articl soinnimh cronkit central sun dbernard clesun central sun dave bernard write articl convex langston convex kevin langston write feustel netcom david feustel write discuss batf thi didn that miss point batf want destroi koresh consist that object and that declar victori fly flag ruin start firefight fire flag noth arrog not arrog plain bad tast had defeat difficult foe and honor understand reno not batf doesn bentsen texa boi that not bentsen treasuri front reno hide apron string batf sat pretti earli initi shoot pretti becom fbi show even that batf gui stop show speaker daili press confer david veal univers tennesse divis continu educ utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh you push elev shaft sometim think you don love anymor weird yankov
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talk.politics.guns	repeat violent crimin reform imposs boston globe thursdai april walpol man guilti rape kenn walpol man charg kidnap mother two home rape and beat plead guilti roger santaw plead guilti attempt escap cheshir counti jail last win ter santaw schedul sentenc week rape last fall six month santaw releas prision spent year for rape commit ted end articl reaction time penalti btw walpol town massachusett hampshir close case kim kim husc harvard edu
talk.politics.guns	reword second amend idea articl apr ousrvr oulu dfo vttoulu tko vtt foxvog dougla write thi mean you support ban narrow good thi not state impli ask nerv ga and mustard ga defin poison gass individu ban can shown that us not relat weaponri licens for research purpos such chemic thi laughabl licens licens possess chlorin ga weapon grade poison break law pour chlorox spot cat piss floor reaction ammonia and bleach liber pure chlorin ga jail for thi not licens possess chemic agent nicotin deadli poison and fast act becom licens posess tobacco and nicotin sulphat even deadlier poison will licens possess thi type insecticid raid black flag gasolin benzen hydrazin violent poison will jail for possess can tomato that bad botulinu mom pop lab us cyanogen bromid mustard ga lot analysi prescript pharmaceut us potassium cyanid recov gold aqua regia licens licens possess beryllium perhap poison radioact metal beryllium copper alloi licens for nitrat fertil us make power explos devic such that ira recent deton kill and injur can vinegar licens hydrogen peroxid line drawn not lawyer idea basi for definit good idea need shred saniti scarc trust andi
talk.politics.guns	newbi articl msu osc montana edu icsgh msu osc montana edu write thi time network concern thi incid waco will refrain state opinion read faq thi that govt wrong action that thi situat faq for tpg work di committe david veal univers tennesse divis continu educ utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh you push elev shaft sometim think you don love anymor weird yankov
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl rgudtinn apach dtcc edu bob hobb dtcc edu bob rahe write articl rwing pat rwing pat myrto write want independ investig full prosecut and subpoena power feloni prosecut feloni act found fat chanc bet bet justic dept will intern investig will turn poor judgement ooohhhhhhhh can you independ prosecutor geee walsh can fat chanc respond risk misread your respons fellow conserv give attack reno clinton atf fbi botch oper didn kill never shot david koresh frig lunat follow had combin geraldo audienc kid fuck social reject freshman danc high school never band prom show anim board ark bowl till morn happen point janet reno bill clinton advic train law enforc offici expert field leader that micro manag crisi that come you troubl matter parti ideolog presid and mean attornei gener ryan scharfi rscharfi magnu ac ohio state edu
talk.politics.guns	mormon and jew articl vike ponder iastat edu vike iastat edu dan sorenson write mcclaryc snpq netcom mcclari netcom michael mcclari write ld and rld philosophi that religion strai true church set jesu that god will judg each merit addit rld contend and ld that ignor true excus you can condemn you had tought and reject short ld and rld suffer lutheran buddhist secur knowledg that wrong will not penal for ignor that thi not quit correct understand that ld engag project convert soul deceas person religion order spare damnat and gain entranc into heaven thi end church compil extens genaeolog record that will name peopl convert long articl yorker year ago describ ld research method detail for exampl research pai visit local nativ storytel learn name peopl long dead thi sound sort lie that made unusu religion yorker stori convinc that truth yorker us extens fact check and stori quit detail ari
talk.politics.guns	denver post classifi assault weapon eesnyd boulder colorado edu eric snyder write across notic denver post classifi secctio thi morn april begin quot notic denver post will longer knowingli accept advertis bui sell assault weapon denver post find that us assault weapon pose threat health safeti and secur reader end quot suppos post right refus such ad second sentenc noxiou feel compel bring attent readership call post classifi number and express displea supervisor spoke post react public complaint run assult weapon ad sai paper keep track reaction chang polici strongli encourag denver post reader call and make feel eric snyder depart mcd biologi make feet for children sho univers colorado boulder boulder colorado will thoughtful post not intermediari for such sale bear arm misappli right constitut and assault weapon imho natur america famili that boi shot back septemb paper full stori child assult weapon angel face post commit murder think thi control applaud post for braveri jim trascapoulo jtrascap nyx edu size you wear
talk.politics.guns	truth waco dhartung chinet chi dan hartung write jgd dixi john armond write tank collaps interior wall and ceil put peopl great risk dear dear come your logic jew europ for holocaust hitler told leav and didn brought thing you come germani group instruct kind koresh aid tank invas refer kind suicid pact counter assault effort ultim irrelev lit fire had ampl opportun leav for jew europ outsid rare abus secret thing court document jewel case and mistrial california you don evid abus take place you point everwher irrelev thi case atf not charg investig child abus held will and left time peopl murder fire choic exactli choic obviou contradict statement made never judg religion action and action that you judg refus govern control live refus submit unconstitut law refus behav coward texa hero cowardli and surrend alamo had come stai you choic problem not choos act grovel dog face insurmount odd you point that had live quiet religi life claim raid sieg and death chose cours action turn that stupid not irrat stockpil weapon second shoot feder agent stai insid bull fact live quiet religi life claim warrant not issu stockpil weapon not law gun you want virginia warrant issu for gun part that size half dollar worth live peopl don you don blame cop shoot kid had point toi weapon don fbi deserv blame thi case you can forget that busi blame trade liberti for karl klingman secur deserv american research group inc karl dixi
talk.politics.guns	gun amex and name thoma parsli thomasp ifi uio write rememb tom hope you respond and voic reason such reciev fan mail natur ego somehwat inflat late and hope make point never spoken for ban gun america that and wrong hand and argument that you cannot remov peopl restrict and not remov peopl don fairli simpl problem size and number you agre crimin violent crimin not firearm problem make law that thi trod right vast major and doubt norwai can left philosoph differ safeti justifi restrict you reduc number you affect good responc gun owner can you provid method that cannot abus doubt person freedom don that you can and don pai for thi not content content pai european societi individu and that you give make that societi work thi give that make american wari thi argument you rememb chamberlain gave fascist short asshol and such appeas work work instanc doesn work and sinc cannot predict futur cautiou action that histori failur car and gun not mix make point america norwai space you cross car essenti part gun hand not essenti norwai don argu that ban gun ban car car not essenti norwai usa will bet that you neighbor that will drive you anywher you want for price car not essenti for your transport argument present show that sinc car us kill peopl gun usa make sens restrict car gun defin essenti depend will for that servic raw data such comparison not individu weigh that hitler and avoid gun germani read histori thi depend populac will desert storm prove even arm populac won revolt even chanc hitler that arm populac act confisc firearm point histori show that dictat overthrown arm hand populac left wonder hitler overthrown king georg unlucki keep usa coloni can argu side live each action thi discuss ban weapon for american make harder for crimin propos curtail wound enforc that logic chang name that part pure jest point similar background racial wholli background polit thought thi underscor point cultur despit similar heritag batf warrant for gun search reason child abus for instanc batf can enforc gun tobaccco alcohol violat child abus matter for individu state and local author doesn peopl read thi newsgroup access clari new hierarci mi uninform that hierarchi paid for feed site peopl not for thi reason and suspect monei not censorship main reason you alt sex your site can read censorship and legal fear differ show you topless sunbath and usa can watch murder fifteen second and breast forbidden televis dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
talk.politics.guns	waco shootout highlight total irrespons not thi thread pop never thought wait period train compet can imagin valid reason for gun that can wait dai can plenti bad reason for not want wait period want bui gun and kill and cross state line bui gun illeg and can afford spend night etc not big fan gun feel that import guard american right hand licens and regul thing imped anyon constitut right carl
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch updat articl jha noos ecn purdu edu garrod dynamo ecn purdu edu david garrod write articl apr new acn nwu edu brice merl acn nwu edu benjamin rice write reason fire depart couldn fight fire that bullet whizz area had koresh not had such frightenli larg arsen fed not decid that firedepart scene useless wast tax and potenti danger had fire broken waco come fire depart had compound area for dai two dai fbi attack comment hazard fight fire midst ammo cook fire depart loudli complain time divert duti and fbi fine home and call you you million thing happen don btw thi time heard that waco scene for last dai sourc curios person opinion brent irvin you irvin uxh cso uiuc edu
talk.politics.guns	commun spirit drug dealer stripper sylvain netcom nichola sylvain write gun shop citi fine commun spirit drug dealer arm such fine post except line hope you don that your averag drug dealer purchas gun legal sourc matter fact shoot recent gun had purchas baltimor gunsmith broadwai favorit place cheap popular piec popular refer kind gun local youth gang pistol grip shotgun cheap magnum and tec hate poke hole your bubbl refer specif gunstor and specif incid question mjr
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor quot nate psygat psych indiana edu nate psygat psych indiana edu nathan engl peopl wrong place that can figur assembl frighten arsen weapon circumv law intend prevent such buildup us weapon kill repres feder govern frighten batf offic close retrospect can subsequ gunfight expect improv situat law circumv frighten isn crime peopl afraid young black male that doesn make mere statu young black male crime batf admit lead throw handgrenad evid that properli identifi law enforc personnel circumst person found act legal right exercis defens unidentifi arm intrud thi point place credibl charg child abus molest remind you that branch davidian aren buri dead charg irrlev sinc batf absolut jurisdict such matter that hasn stop make such spuriou charg such exist mythic meth lab cult thing level contempt that for amend crazi dought wrong attempt stage arm resist feder author condit that dozen unarm and innoc peopl line fire that arm resist initi legal you bunch educ york jewish aclu lawyer fight elimin school prayer public school arkansa holli silva
talk.politics.guns	pass texa hous previou articl dlb tamut tamu edu daryl biberdorf memori todai houston chronicl april report that pass texa hous repres approxim thi memori vote for and vote thi bill effort into cya that cover your ass mode wrote bill such make law subject statewid referendum novemb paper report that thi unconstitut texa constitut referendum for constitut amend not for plain law court not permit referendum bill will into effect fanfar subject texa senat vote for bill time start call state senat daryl daryl biberdorf gjm biberdorf tamu edu sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura mcd bill mcdonald coeur sa raison que raison loui connait point heart rapa texbel sbc reason that reason cannot understand
talk.politics.guns	sig sig gener mail post robin hood school financ plan properti rich school district will portion tax revenu and properti poor district laudabl plan equal per student spend imho disast wait happen tax will district and will lose control tax monei spent penal district that excel and elect saturdai citi council school board and unfinish senat term and exercis exercis anoth dillon pyron opinion express dseg lewisvil vax support sender state home texan vote robin hood pyron skndiv dseg solut not gestur padi
talk.politics.guns	repeat violent crimin reform articl husc harvard edu kim scw harvard edu john kim write boston globe thursdai april walpol man guilti rape kenn walpol man charg kidnap mother two home rape and beat plead guilti roger santaw plead guilti attempt escap cheshir counti jail last win ter santaw schedul sentenc week rape last fall six month santaw releas prision spent year for rape commit ted end articl reaction time penalti btw walpol town massachusett hampshir close case kim kim husc harvard edu women death life hope parol david bixler auburn univers standard disclaim appli
talk.politics.guns	bomb law atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl cpi new cso uiuc edu irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin write primari purpos fertil not explod kill peopl law you cannot us thi stuff make bomb good even pass law make illeg kill peopl bomb sort henri schaffer for explain primari purpos fertil can stop worri world trade tower bomb
talk.politics.guns	censor free america thi node specificali articl apr mixcom mixcom you write articl constitut revolut thing cockei hmmm peter white presid synthesi inc milwauke wisconsin peter white mixcom dunno you find constitut that document american liberti that kid taught hallow school declar independ that document fact justif not for revolut duti revolut peopl onc govern get oppress radic document and recommend american offic read onc year
talk.politics.guns	gun bui back thu apr gmt vmcm csuohio edu wrote firearm lead unintent death children ag and rkba archiv rkba total firearm death for children smallest death children car fall burn drown food ingest larger death firearm lead drown and choke food for charl nation safeti council accid fact gun accid lead accident death for children ag and don understand ratio accident death import gun don kill children car accid differ sever death and death differ that ration person address lead and address lesser that think screw don even respond ration person concentr motor vehicl death and not attempt affect childhood fall drown gunshot injuri etc thi call ration person your definit attempt affect lead death for adult ag worri cancer and not decreas lesser such heart diseas injuri stroke suicid liver diseas chronic lung diseas homicid hiv infect diabet charl that make lot sens you charl call heart foundat and suicid hotlin and that not act ration and that can home address lesser death and you call your local polic homicid depart liver foundat and diabet foundat and stop address lesser quit wast time thi silli shit charl idea charl don you start talk polit caraccid group talk polit fall group thi talk polit gun don confus issu social problem not claim victim anoth not address don agre not post debat suppos sever childhood death get frig sick respond irrat statement peopl assum that discuss youth gun violenc unintent youth gun death make polit issu assum that human person concern year hold parent gun bedroom drawer and accid blew friend human person firearm hous year teach thi child safe handl firearm ignor greatest enemi charl you tend confus issu and thing context for your purpos statement that you respond refer previou post anoth person you express concern make youth gun violenc prioriti guess human person and ration person interchang huh defin person address social problem that greatest number childhood death that case extrem glad that inhuman and irrat joe suggest that you talk center prevent handgun violenc sourc inform you confirm data folk for misrepres fact perhap you can verifi data uniform crime report charl fbi uniform crime report for misrepres fact you insist ucr firearm murder youngster and increas percent and nation center for health statist good for you state that dai american children ag and kill gun accid suicid and homicid wound nation pediatr trauma registri gunshot wound children ag and doubl major urban area and you doubt american academi pediatr charl state that gunshot wound children urban area increas charl hope you don convinc that youth increasingli victim gun injuri and that easi access gun you don realiz thi fact don care you cdc fbi data you into home school and street kid and poll not bother convinc you obviou that you rule idea discuss thi issu sane fashion and that you focus make thi gun control and polit discuss don want that center for diseas control firearm statist firearm diseas charl obviou that you noth cdc don studi cancer and heart diseas new for you interperson gun violenc epidem surgeon gener everett koop declar that gun violenc public health problem cancer heart diseas auto accid that you greatli underestim presenc gun live youth live youth school number youth firearm present live quit teach children safe handl firearm thi presenc you thi innuendo remind listen bill clinton teach children safe handl firearm charl futur you post and jump into previou discuss read entir post not sentenc that you decid respond hell you you wast time and space make polit and gun control issu discuss that isn cphv report that youth bring gun school daili and that bring gun school onc year wouldn trust statist independ verif cdc estim that high school student carri gun school onc base cphv statist base ucr base cdc that million elementari ag latch kei children kid come home school empti hous access gun home purpos thi claim charl buddi get tire thi you live planet mar physicist realiz that you don come into contact youth you make trip your local urban high school and discov joi gun school addit spend minut talk kid heard gunshot neighborhood whether shot whether gun whether held gun and whether shot charl that will your independ verif rodnei thoma vmcm csuohio edu urban child research center cleveland state univers cleveland
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl apr synaps bm hambidg bm write articl new cso uiuc edu irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin write articl apr uoft utoledo edu steiner jupit cse utoledo edu jason steiner write jame dusek dusek rtsg mot write garrod dynamo ecn purdu edu david garrod write us that not harm children hope you sarcast stupid thing complet serious that hard smilei you ga that can discrimin base ag target ga us mild concentr formul compar heavi duti stuff you thi for fact you you make thing for flamebait fbi claim begin that wasn standard us tear ga you you assum for flamebait richard
talk.politics.guns	reword second amend idea regul militia secur free state peopl and bear arm not infring that canadian don stand that and bear arm import maintain free societi america enviabl place live thi earth head straight and will stai that peopl stand publicli for rememb that you stand for noth you fall for includ mean socialist canada ted
talk.politics.guns	propaganda cnn that independ team that examin waco fire and report that start insid bd question attonei for claim that not imparti team for team leader wife batf agent gover continu propaganda thi not secur line daniel oldham oldham heron icd
talk.politics.guns	cost gun wait period articl rhr access digex net carlaron access digex carl aron write not thi thread pop never thought wait period train compet can imagin valid reason for gun that can wait dai you can valid reason gun that can wait you limit imagin strang definit word valid reason you want gun you korean greengroc and riot start nearbi neighborhood you receiv death threat your broken your arm and you fear for your life you stai and kill you you leav psychopath break into peopl hous your neighborhood and rob and kill peopl insid violent mugger oper rout you your night job lot danger you that won wait for wait period for you purchas gun pro choic anti roe elizabeth bartlei abort safe legal earli and rare
talk.politics.guns	pass texa hous for conceal carri texa for licens citizen carri conceal firearm pass instruct hour rememb correctli pai fee good for year and meet criteria relat person charact etc don agre criteria feel high time that pro gun type fight hci get increment law daryl daryl biberdorf gjm biberdorf tamu edu sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl new cso uiuc edu irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin write articl apr uoft utoledo edu steiner jupit cse utoledo edu jason steiner write jame dusek dusek rtsg mot write garrod dynamo ecn purdu edu david garrod write us that not harm children hope you sarcast stupid thing complet serious that hard smilei you ga that can discrimin base ag target ga us mild concentr formul compar heavi duti stuff heard deliv high concentr counteract wind mph blow your sourc for quot low concentr
talk.politics.mideast	freedom previou articl jaa cunixa columbia edu john absood never wise confus freedom speech freedom racism and violent deragatori unfortun that fail understand thi crucial distinct couldn agre canada anti hate law exist punish wilfulli spread fals propaganda li for purpos put anoth group thi law that david irv will hopefulli found guilti due denial holocaust bad that thi useless centr for polici research isn canada set nice preced law appli cyberspac steve internet freenet carleton fidonet mossad qube ocunix opinion not associ includ head
talk.politics.mideast	deir yassin brown edu write articl martinb brise er umontr aurag er umontr aurag hassan write you that massacr deir yassin sabra and shatila you good joke not and not such thing jewish kill wwii palestinian davidian for fourti year and fact kill war time place peopl die that get kill vietamies didn die vietnam war kill american napalm pyromaniac and that jew like ga chamber and forc thought snife cocain you thi isn stupid stupid you time you want lie intellig sincer hassan arab civilian die dir yassin massacr villag hous arm troop secondli irgun and stern fighter had absolut intent kill civilian villag attack for militari signific fact warn occup villag leav attack begin ration standard dir yassin not massacr kill unintent villag hous arab sniper and arab troop attack for militari signific not attack intent kill civilian even compar dir yassin arab di holocaust absurd irgun not want kill civilian villag had almost inhabit surviv harri thi such bullshit deir yassin unprovok attack part jew and massacr defin opinion villag deir yassin had had pact jew peac pact irgun purpos broke thi agreement order scare palestinian grant that thi villag hous arm arab doubt noth archiv and literatur that thi motiv forc irgun deir yassin massacr part strategi intimid palestinian flee jewish homeland and contrari your belief civilian kill deir yassin advert jew perpetr get palestinian leav palestinian rightfulli scare not want anoth deir yassin not necessarili condemn israelit atroc aslo commit part arab israelophil care think that and good gui middl east arab and jew suck equal
talk.politics.mideast	rejoind question isra articl apr freenet carleton freenet carleton steve birnbaum write yeah israel readi expand border holiest dai year yom kippur arab attack wait you chose omit that war perhap support exact opposit point you make don that war that hit israel hardest egypt not israel kick forc arab refus accept exist israel base border set unit nation egypt close red sea isra ship clear antagonist act and attack respons year constant shell terrorist organ golan height children murder time terrorist and israel final retali war that israel start that border expand agre you write that terrorist org not shell israel golan height lebanon golan height held israel sinc and plo not shell israel not awar tsiel tsiel ohayon jcpl you not receiv thi mail employ not opinion two percent almost noth
talk.politics.mideast	deir yassin articl apr angel brown edu brown edu harri mamayski write arab civilian die dir yassin massacr villag hous arm troop produc meagerest evid for thi not long publish account irgun particip even irgun propagandist not make thi claim secondli irgun and stern fighter had absolut intent kill civilian member irgun attack parti includ leader deposit person declar irgun archiv jabotinski institut tel aviv state that lehi propos liquid villag conquest begin overrul thi plan willing attack thi possibl serv instruct charact evid villag attack for militari signific haganah irgun attack villag real militari signific consid hard soft target deir yassin chosen fact warn occup villag leav attack begin intent origin begin give such warn loudspeak truck stuck ditch reach villag that ration standard dir yassin not massacr ration standard you post cpu kill unintent villag hous arab sniper and arab troop attack for militari signific not attack intent kill civilian lie repeat lie even compar dir yassin arab di holocaust absurd irgun not want kill civilian villag had almost inhabit surviv harri brendan
talk.politics.mideast	dir yassin articl apr angel brown edu brown edu harri mamayski write myth and fact leonard davi east research inc unlik plo almost exclus focu civilian target troup irgun and stern group that struck deir yassin april target villag for militari import deir yassin road jerusalem arab had sinc fact and myth doesn even deir yassin pai attent rest blockad and hous iraqi troup and palestinian irregular sniper base deir yassin constant threat jewish citizen jerusalem arab civilian kill deir yassin that attack not conform propaganda pictur that arab paint number arab kill gener report eric silver guardian britain interview survivor mopham sammour testifi that popul kill dai massacr sammour explain repres each clan deir yassin met moslem offic jerusalem and made list peopl had not found aliv name noth happend sinc make thi figur wrong thi account eric silver valid point that make you can find togeth evid and analysi silver biographi begin silver book you will find documentari evid that account pure bullshit unlik plo deliber attack civilian kill civilian deir yassin not premedit attack left open escap corridor villag and resid left unharm remain arab feign surrend and fire jewish troop attack kill arab soldier and civilian indiscrimin independ observ told guardian that bodi found arab men disguis women thi pretti disgust guardian told two feebl men dress women cloth pathet attempt escap death silver book brendan
talk.politics.mideast	uva wow sad that univers virginia begun produc such virul breed jew hater and hate jew roar lion roar
talk.politics.mideast	happi birthdai israel articl new cso uiuc edu eshneken cso uiuc edu edward shnekendorf write israel happi birthdai inform number peopl kill israel happi year hamid
talk.politics.mideast	freedom astein nysernet org write freedom speech not mean that compel give mean speak publicli system regul prohibit dissemin racist and bigot messag account issu appar that not case virginia edu sinc you post alan stein astein israel nysernet org baffl you possibl found racist argument for freedom speach not mention name nation countri alon race you that virginia edu not thought polic israel nysernet org didn that you gui get priveleg isra get mean speak publicli virginia edu let student opinion speak mind virginia edu true found father thoma jefferson author bill right allow freedom speach you gui israel hard time concept
talk.politics.mideast	freedom delet thi law that david irv will hopefulli found guilti due denial holocaust bad that thi useless centr for polici research isn canada set nice preced law appli cyberspac steve internet freenet carleton fidonet mossad qube ocunix opinion not associ includ head canada wrong aclu made that such repress law found unconstitut you church didn find galileo percept univers offens
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talk.politics.mideast	final solut for gaza articl apr da harvard edu adam endor adam shostack write articl bdc new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write isra had legitim worri action isn that action draconian altern you suggest safeguard live isra citizen adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu stai home terribl attempt homour altern hell don perfectli object polici feel that altern choic tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin
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talk.politics.mideast	happi birthdai israel articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu hamid reza mohammadi daniali write hamid inform number peopl hamid kill israel happi year jew arab christian and di terrorist attack and war year due arab rhetor and rejection number close live wast arab not accept partit plan tsiel tsiel ohayon jcpl you not receiv thi mail employ not opinion two percent almost noth
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talk.politics.mideast	israel expans articl apr virginia edu virginia edu thee nunneri write never such immatur semitophil thi andi beyer charact show sign anti semit you disqualifi you object you insult you race assum you semit jew peopl common cultur heritag religion and histori not race comment isra terror and hirgun and branch milit group fight british palestin fail thi isra form terror terror practic arab jewish terrorist group kill innoc british soldier you don differ kill british soldier prevent jew escap nazi enter british mandat and arab terrorist kill civilian men women and children mention thi not anti semit part jewish that ridiculu atleast two count even you identifi complet jewish that doesn rule possibl that you hate anti semit can find jew uncomfort ident sinc want jew cower victim and will speak for enemi secondli strength weak your argument not depend your ident adam schwartz not affraid sign name
talk.politics.mideast	desertif negev center for polici research cpr igc apc org write you give posit accur fact happen beduin and land creation state israel percent negev bedouin expel sinai southern jordan allow remain confin territori hectar region annual mean precipi quantiti low ensur crop failur two year rare water well south and central negev spring life desert cement prevent bedouin shepherd roam bedouin shepherd allow stai central negev sinai return egypt bedouin elimin time strong pressur appli bedouin abandon cultiv field order that land transfer armi and you happen reliabl statist exist amount land held todai negev bedouin fact that larg part hectar cultiv seiz isra author bedouin confin develop town soweto establish for rest articl elia davidsson email elia ismennt you basic that for that noth good happen for that beduin prosper jew arriv and that driven jew earth jew that you you proov nonsens you wrote btw ask beduin sinai mi isra not mention that valotar beduin idf full brigad amo shapira jumper extraordinair true that power corrupt system group hebrew univers absolut power jerusalem israel amoss huji demon son
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talk.politics.mideast	freedom articl apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer write thi law that david irv will hopefulli found guilti due denial holocaust bad that thi useless centr for polici research isn canada set nice preced law appli cyberspac steve canada wrong aclu made that such repress law found unconstitut you church didn find galileo percept univers offens bull shit reason world can that take view analog kkk such organ wrong reason moral not legisl not theft murder rape hate sppech purpos stir anger and violenc harri
talk.politics.mideast	deir yassin articl apr virginia edu virginia edu thee nunneri write thi such bullshit deir yassin unprovok attack part jew and massacr defin opinion villag deir yassin had had pact jew peac pact irgun purpos broke thi agreement order scare palestinian grant that thi villag hous arm arab doubt noth archiv and literatur that thi motiv forc irgun deir yassin massacr part strategi intimid palestinian flee jewish homeland and contrari your belief civilian kill deir yassin advert jew perpetr get palestinian leav palestinian rightfulli scare not want anoth deir yassin not necessarili condemn israelit atroc aslo commit part arab israelophil care think that and good gui middl east arab and jew suck equal you that evid that motiv irgun attack dir yassin strateg import fact begin charg irgun wrote that dir yassin attack for militari signific dir yassin battl war liber peopl di thing never intend masacr that thi hapen tragedi war not crime irgun harri
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror andi beyer write shame that austria daili report inhuman act commit isra soldier and bless receiv govern make holocaust guilt jew treat race power unfortun thi can turn austrian feel guilti action wwii don justifi anti semet make isra action into atroc austrian german and european extens trade relat arab block pro arab good for busi don that ethic thing richard thorn rdt med pitt edu
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talk.politics.mideast	peac talk resum israelin peac talk resum todai israel offer palestinian propos israel radio kol yisrael report todai resumpt washington bilater peac talk recess last month report israel expect offer palestinian propos author palestinian execut council gener elect control land and human right issu territori israel will express readi give palestinian control land previous offer radio report estim that israel will give palestinian control two third administ land broad author water issu israel will seek promot offer hold elect territori hope strengthen posit palestinian deleg peac negoti israel radio isra deleg bilater talk palestinian will offer greater respons palestinian execut council allow legisl capabl make symbol for palestinian sovereignti secretari state warren christoph invit head deleg gather tonight will such event sinc madrid confer head american team bilater peac talk edward djerejian that tonight gather meant demonstr activ role peac process naftali stramer intergraph electron internet nstramer dazixco ingr lookout road suit voic fax boulder qualiti job and job watch that can
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talk.politics.mideast	peac talk resum articl apr dazixco ingr nstramer dazixco ingr write peac talk resum todai israel offer palestinian propos israel radio kol yisrael report todai resumpt washington bilater peac talk recess last month report israel expect offer palestinian propos author palestinian execut council gener elect control land and human right issu territori israel will express readi give palestinian control land previous offer radio report estim that israel will give palestinian control two third administ land broad author water issu israel will seek promot offer hold elect territori hope strengthen posit palestinian deleg peac negoti israel radio isra deleg bilater talk palestinian will offer greater respons palestinian execut council allow legisl capabl make symbol for palestinian sovereignti secretari state warren christoph invit head deleg gather tonight will such event sinc madrid confer head american team bilater peac talk edward djerejian that tonight gather meant demonstr activ role peac process hope hope that can begin involv ourselv issu and concern relat thi peac process differ opinion aspect clear that share hope that resolut tension and conflict will happen run defens side constantli involv ourselv name call regularli confus reactiv post spend post appli label and present slogan present honest view react thing you agre that thi sort peac process need point mention articl israel supposedli propos good not you don agre that peac process need tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin
talk.politics.mideast	happi birthdai israel hamid mcrcim mcgill edu hamid reza mohammadi daniali write thi mean that number peopl kill israel high that you can not track thi part zionism ideolog that you don track peopl you kill kill you that number high you care provid you truth hamid kill isra armi agressor invad attack israel intent murder jew and destroi jewish state sympathi for and don give damn kill hamid
talk.politics.mideast	freedom brown edu harri mamayski write articl apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer write canada wrong hate speech law aclu made that such repress law found unconstitut bull shit reason world can that take view analog kkk such organ wrong reason moral not legisl not theft murder rape hate sppech purpos stir anger and violenc harri answer mayamski question can found amend constitut amend congress make law respect establish religion prohibit free exercis thereof abridg freedom speech press peopl peaceabl assembl and petit govern for redress grievanc steve steven berson ucla comput scienc depart steven ucla edu lo angel
talk.politics.mideast	freedom bull shit reason world can that take view analog kkk such organ wrong reason moral not legisl not theft murder rape hate sppech purpos stir anger and violenc harri you wrong kkk allow march and attempt curtail freedom reject aclu won case for last year moral not legil free countri post and uva uva for hoo basher
talk.politics.mideast	uva thing univers fun admit parti and consist rank playboi top parti school studi and importantli learn lot uva drug us lower averag colleg hate law book even forc last year similar law univers wisconsin found unconstitut last year law relationship professor student advise that pass thoma jefferson sole author virginia statut for religi freedom basi for ten amend not full credit for right bill right pick for that man sport academ and parti lot school good don start mail junk happi and all medic school coupl year
talk.politics.mideast	israel expans chang case you interest never compar isra treatment palestinian holocaust that truth matter forget sinc start call anti semit for make comparison that never made that nazi didn start holocaust and initi action similar isra jew that strand polish border sinc countri accept arab strand lebenes border trial hear expuls base guilt due race
talk.politics.mideast	uva virginia edu write thing univers fun admit parti and consist rank playboi top parti school studi and importantli learn lot uva drug us lower averag colleg hate law book even forc last year similar law univers wisconsin found unconstitut last year law relationship professor student advise that pass thoma jefferson sole author virginia statut for religi freedom basi for ten amend not full credit for right bill right pick for that man sport academ and parti lot school good don start mail junk happi and all medic school coupl year god spell and grammer suck guess sleep right write chanc that god caught start pick hope didn jefferson shame
talk.politics.mideast	freedom articl apr ucla edu steven surya ucla edu steven berson write brown edu harri mamayski write bull shit reason world can that take view analog kkk such organ wrong reason moral not legisl not theft murder rape hate sppech purpos stir anger and violenc harri answer mayamski question can found mamayski amend constitut amend congress make law respect establish religion prohibit free exercis thereof abridg freedom speech press peopl peaceabl assembl and petit govern for redress grievanc steve not that freedom speech ban suggest that thing can univers agre moral incorrect not such thing exampl murder moral incorrect idea that group peopl racial inferior anoth moral incorrect etc point that action serv promot moral incorrect action forbidden thi impli that that innoc person murder freedom speech not stand street corner and advoc murder innoc peopl reason for thi that murder moral incorrect action sinc bigotri moral incorrect narrow definit stand street corner and promot bigotri such enforc deni right guarante amend ensur that person target attempt deni fundament moral such not murder and not discrimin berson that blindli accept constitut terrif mistak cinstantli question constitut and interpret befit societi live short such effort render train monkei repeat heard pai slightest bit attent intent document question you disagre berson harri
talk.politics.mideast	strictli speak jake livni write lebanon alon iran iraq conflict even iranian aren arab strictli speak hate zionist neighborhood correl perhap hate israel and kill your peopl perhap iranian not arab even not strictli speak dorin
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror virginia edu write messag apr virginia edu date mon apr gmt two quit normal phrase not ventur answer andi question intellig and unoffend manner will start intellig convers and show mean intellig and unoffend manner and intellig convers never such immatur semitophil delet line guilti not back viewpoint fact israelophil delet line you insult you race assum you semit delet line reveal truth mention thi not anti semit part jewish delet line shure anti semit call anti jew part jewish mother date jew didn marri and bastard taught hatr coward sinc doesn dare sign name end sign highli intellig and intellectu phrase piss immatur closemind righteou semit virginia edu write messag apr virginia edu date mon apr gmt you you andi shouldn compar israel nazi isra wors nazi nazi lot good for germani and succeed weren for damn jew holocaust never happen ampl evid georg schafer harvard dept histori and even randolph higgin nyu shown that holocaust semit conspiraci creat obtain sympathi piush for creation israel nazi thi bastard ga chamber part jewish ness that not awar kind educ institut virginia edu free kkk univers virginia manfredo tichauer email tichauer valpso hans opitzstrass voic hamburg germani fax
talk.politics.mideast	freedom articl apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer write bull shit reason world can that take view analog kkk such organ wrong reason moral not legisl not theft murder rape hate sppech purpos stir anger and violenc harri you wrong kkk allow march and attempt curtail freedom reject aclu won case for last year moral not legil free countri that problem even germani law for militari soldier requir disobei order order moral incorrect naziism prohibit canada germani prai canda free post and uva uva for hoo basher harri
talk.politics.mideast	israel expans articl apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer write jew that strand polish border sinc countri accept arab strand lebenes border trial hear expuls base guilt due race not due race due membership organ public proclaim destroi state expel and kill larg segment citizen that state base race pro choic anti roe elizabeth bartlei abort safe legal earli and rare
talk.politics.mideast	uva articl apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer write thing univers into thi fun admit parti and consist rank playboi top parti school thi rivet piec inform studi and importantli learn lot uva drug us lower averag colleg hate law book even forc last year similar law univers wisconsin found unconstitut last year rememb had speach code for thi survei law relationship professor student advise that pass thoma jefferson sole author virginia statut for religi freedom basi for ten amend not full credit for right bill right pick for that man sport academ and parti wonder for you lot school good don start mail junk happi and all medic school coupl year tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin
talk.politics.mideast	freedom steve birnbaum write thi law that david irv will hopefulli found guilti due denial holocaust bad that thi useless centr for polici research isn canada set nice preced law appli cyberspac articl apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer respond canada wrong talk gener you sound quit immatur aclu made that such repress law found unconstitut aclu fight anti hate law you mean that aclu support gai bash racial discrimin and anti semit violenc andi for remind that constitut preserv right such fun activ you church didn find galileo percept univers offens galileo happen jew offend holocaust denier revisionist deni that histori even happen happen wrong jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	israel expans articl apr virginia edu virginia edu thee nunneri write never such immatur semitophil thi andi beyer charact show sign anti semit you haven read post guilti not back viewpoint fact israelophil israelophil thi israelist you tread thin ic you insult you race you fall ic barfi playmat for you comment isra terror and hirgun and branch milit group fight british palestin fail thi isra form terror terror practic arab differ guerrilla warfar and terror primarili target enemi soldier primarili target civilian and not necessarili enemi civilan that jewish terrorist group kill innoc british soldier innoc british soldier innoc iraqi soldier british execut jewish fighter becom recogn jewish homeland british etern shame and damnat send shipload jewish refuge civilian back europ care hitler comparison palestinean fighter primarili target tourist schoolchildren babi worshipp shopper movi goer and such threaten peopl earli zionist fighter such thing your comparison ignor and odiou mention thi not anti semit part jewish thi righteous part israelit piss bug you that israelit us israelophil happen not critic palestinian screw jew you kid palestinean arab compris tini proport world refuge popul almost justifi claim territori that desir act crimin intern commun for decad treat aggriev and deserv minor exist even ignomini support for saddam desert storm world leader address machin gun hand receiv stand ovat damn shame that palestinian had pai for german and european anti semit you parrot weakest argument terrorist apologist congratul piss immatur closemind righteou semit gee that nice name can call you piss jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	israel expans articl apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer write jake boni boni write articl apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer write waldo cybernet cse fau edu write jew suffer wwii not belov perish tortur suffer human suffer emotion jew and suffer physic wait for andi that african american start pai compens white american suffer slave owner you problem languag suffer emotion sympathyz victim holocaust great german pole and not sympath victim holocaust particip enthusiasm kill holocaust wasn massacr wasn even kill for sport entir industri death german engin architect technician and bureaucrat proudli put effort into effici and method kill machin devis and oper and extraordinari don bleat nazi suffer holocaust wasn impli that suffer actual victim you waldo wrote jew suffer wwii correct human suffer you impli impli wrongdo part jew for holocaust suppos you for your generos pleas your minim common sens wrong you gui you hear you want hear that write simpl jew sufffer wwii that you feel burn add commentari peopl write you twist thing into you want hear peopl similar tendenc extrem form sometim call histor revisionist thi that you aspir jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	final solut for gaza articl bdccb new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write stai home terribl attempt homour altern hell don perfectli object polici feel that altern choic seal gaza strip interest side effect demonstr viabil gaza independ state peopl find work separ israel complain show card work will feel show passport work jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	final solut for gaza articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write dear folk await for sensibl answer and comment dear elia count such answer public privat email repli you receiv you refus accept perhap you privat world center for polici research iceland you can defin sensibl make you feel comfort jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	egypt call for fight fundamentalist object pro bosnian step that egypt interest fight war peopl object step for bosnia not surpris that mubarak repres egypt hell not even repres crimin egypt clarinew clarinet anwar iqbal write islamabad upi repres islam nation tuesdai request bosnia herzegovina for million and weapon fight bosnian serb commit million saudi arabia saudia for pocket chang compar that liber and gave weird pai donat million bosnia herzegovina sourc polit committe deleg agreement bosnian muslim request for weapon had delai decis interpret violat unit nation embargo suppli arm bosnia warn egyptian foreign minist amer moussa amr moussa not worri intern law tortur death citizen and shot peopl prai mosqu caus troubl neighbor becasu cia doesn shut won involv bosnian effort west repres even islam confer hear egyptian regim understand exist jamaa islamiyah member and leader and current victim govern tortur injustic rel victim place psychiatr care and reveng court result cycl mad that initi govern illicit support west concern safeti half nake tourist conserv neighborhood digniti social justic and safeti major poor oppress peopl egypt apologist imperi watch movi romero time row that time
talk.politics.mideast	final solut for gaza articl boni boni jake boni boni jake livni write articl bdccb new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write stai home terribl attempt homour altern hell don perfectli object polici feel that altern choic seal gaza strip interest side effect demonstr viabil gaza independ state peopl find work separ israel complain show card work will feel show passport work year israel arab palestinian conflict intern palestinian popult found essenti releg lower tier economi major kind posit requir isra and palestinian economi essenti two exist side side aren hold skill posit gaza oper resid train fill for middl and upper manag tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin
talk.politics.mideast	final solut for gaza basic altern for gaza throw jew sea that basic make leav middl east and back russia europ usa etc throw gazan into sea accord yitzhak rabin and that zionist for isra and palestinian come honor and fair don attempt settlement each person live digniti countri freedom and equal personnali opt for altern you folk elia
talk.politics.mideast	jewish and muslim relat bosnia found thi soc cultur pakistan interest post permiss origin poster hope doesnt mind lanc gai scripp howard new servic sarajevo bosnia herzegovina thi land histor hatr tini jewish commun brave serbian shell repai year debt muslim save jew holocaust ivica ceresnj presid jewish commun sarajevo and jew chose remain sarajevo leav for israel feed center mediev town district run ceresnj that partli gratitud muslim hid jew nazi occup and partli intact centuri presenc jew live sarajevo gun defend bosnia fight bosnia keep peopl aliv ceresnj student balkan histori ceresnj thi war come and had readi plan evacu children and elderli year war erupt last april ceresnj jewish center began stockpil suppli ensur had passport and arrang for place israel and europ for evacue prepar that dai shoot began plane left jew bosnia herzegovina estim half left stai work sarajevo downtown synagogu turn into wartim feed center that meal center shell time sarajevo run radio station mail center and distribut food packag jewish organ world muslim and jew fight each mideast jew long tradit cooper inter marriag and toler two commun sarajevo that back centuri turkish occup sarajevo jew trace ancestri back expuls roman cathol spain commun number world war surviv holocaust carri pro nazi croatian ustach yugoslavia survivor hidden muslim famili mostar sharon machli gartenberg framingham usa mail sharon world std zafar tippu hassan
talk.politics.mideast	rejoind question isra articl apr yuma acn colost edu lanc colost edu write tsiel contend that shell side border start earli plo shell northern israel arqoub region israel shell destroi south lebanes villag can that side exchang shell occasion aerial raid israel lebanes villag case steve character that invas respons year shell lebanon fals israel had reason for invad instal govern lebanon favor israel and achiev thi aim elect basheer gemayel and brother amin gemayel intern situat lebanon hard control and predict israel had withdraw and amin gemayel had abrog agreement basil correct steve statement that geurilla shell israel golan absurd fact that israel shell respons palestinian shell lebanon israel intent keep inch lebanes territori israel will continu fight hizbullah plo fplp etc long northern border not quiet lebanes armi can control element can genuin peac israel lebanes border remind you that coupl thousand lebanes cross each dai into israel work for elect bashir gemayel true that favor israel that syrian kill brother amin syrian puppet had not dead tsiel tsiel ohayon jcpl you not receiv thi mail employ not opinion two percent almost noth
talk.politics.mideast	peac talk resum articl bdd dfc new servic uci edu tim clock write you agre that thi sort peac process need point mention articl israel supposedli propos good not you don agre that peac process need person that peac process need sinc negoti will futur gener live stabil not thi case ana omran hamza saleh jle moham reza mehm abu ab anwar moham and that jihad solut that peopl includ object view tim basil and shai for exampl and put rhetor and start discuss substanc view that israel made gestur arab foe opposit sysrian propos palestinian propos palestinian revok rewrit charter condemn act palestinian violenc that good start palestinian gain negoti that not strong make decis and plagu intern strife that not get anywher fundament slowli take territori will late discuss issu palestinian sinc will vow for destruct israel arab exampl egypt egypt bargain tabl want israel and peac and cooper two countri tougher you plai ball israel tougher israel get tsiel tsiel tsiel ohayon jcpl you not receiv thi mail employ not opinion two percent almost noth
talk.politics.mideast	even todai armenian genocid innoc muslim peopl continu sourc channel new mondai march french journalist corps men women and children civilian cloth shot dead head close meter sourc bbc morn new tuesdai march bbc report live line and claim that bodi azeri men women and children babi shot dead head short distanc sourc bbc morn new tuesdai march disturb pictur shown that civilian corps pick mountain report cameraman and western journalist corps men women children massacr armenian shot dead head close meter pictur shown ten bodi women and children shot dead head azerbaijan claim that civilian massacr armenian forc serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	benjamin franklin articl apr midwai uchicago edu thf kimbark uchicago edu ted frank write hamaza you racist arun cite evid show that your call racist propheci forgeri that mean that propheci not exist address sourc you care truth spread li bigotri and hatr ofranko come expos histor revisionist admit anti muslim and genocid apologist hamaza your drivel compliment you even deni obviou genocid muslim carri order fascist soviet armenian govern massacr muslim studi detail modern exampl horribl crime genocid blame apport armenian and support for murder muslim turkish histor homeland empti nativ popul todai remain occupi soviet armenian govern todai soviet armenia cover genocid perpetr predecessor and accessori thi crime human soviet armenia pai for crime genocid muslim admit crime and make repar turk and kurd jewish and armenian sourc cold blood genocid perpetr soviet armenian govern million muslim peopl and deni obviou sourc stanford shaw armenian collabor invad russian armi histori ottoman empir and modern turkei volum reform revolut republ rise modern turkei london cambridg univers press april dashnak russian armenia organ revolt citi van armenian compris percent popul closest armenian major citi empir leav erivan april armenian volunt reach van and organ and carri gener slaughter local muslim popul two dai know number never justifi territori ambit armenian look russia and europ for fulfil aim armenian treacheri thi regard culmin begin world war decis revolutionari organ refus serv state ottoman empir and assist invad russian armi hope particip russian success reward independ armenian state carv ottoman territori armenian polit leader armi offic and common soldier began desert drove russian invas eastern anatolia begin world war degre armenian collabor ottoman enemi increas drastic ottoman suppli line cut guerilla attack armenian revolutionari arm armenian civil popul turn massacr muslim popul provinc van anticip expect arriv invad russian armi sourc stanford shaw histori ottoman empir and modern turkei vol cambridg univers press london meanwhil czar nichola caucasu make final plan for cooper armenian ottoman presid armenian nation bureau tifli declar respons countri armenian hurri enter rank gloriou russian armi blood serv victori russian arm russian flag wave freeli dardanel and bosporu your will great majesti peopl remain turkish yoke receiv freedom armenian peopl turkei suffer for faith christ receiv resurrect for free life protect russia armenian flood into czarist armi prepar made strike ottoman rear and czar return petersburg confid that dai final had come for reach istanbul horizon tifli novemb quot hovannisian road independ ottoman moral and militari posit east hurt and prepar for russian push into eastern anatolia accompani open armenian revolt sultan hovannisian road independ bayur iii allen and muratoff caucasian battlefield cambridg ali ihsan sabi harb hahralaram vol ankara no and armenian state organ van russian protect and appear that muslim nativ dead driven maintain oldest center ancient armenian civil armenian legion organ expel turk entir southern shore lake prepar for concert russian drive into bitli vilayet thousand armenian mu and major center east began flood into armenian state mid juli armenian crowd into van area crisi had hous and fed peopl muslim and muslim alik hovannisian road independ fop no and bva mecli vukela mazbatalari debat august babi ali evrak odasi van ihtilali katl ami zilkad septemb sourc hovannisian richard armenia road independ univers california press berkelei and lo angel addit kar and batum oblast empir increas area transcaucasia squar mile estim popul entir region percent armenian percent georgian and percent moslem group tatar paradox bare transcaucasia armenian live erevan guberniia christian constitut major uezd erevan uezd administr center provinc had armenian compar moslem time russian censu armenian had establish scant major percent guberniia had risen percent inhabit thi impress chang provinc ethnic charact notwithstand ev creation armenian republ solid block tartar continu domin southern district outskirt ereven border persia map histor armenia and map administr subdivis transcaucasia percent turk close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for tartar and proceed work extermin troop surround villag villag resist offer artilleri knock hut into heap stone and dust and villag unten and inhabit fled into field bullet and bayonet complet work tartar escap found refug mountain succeed cross border into turkei rest kill and that length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki hot plain ararat cold mountain plateau north dot mute mourn ruin tartar villag quiet villag for howl wolv and jackal that visit paw scatter bone dead ohanu appressian men that analog jewish holocaust systemat extermin entir muslim popul independ republ armenia consist percent popul that republ memoir armenian armi offic particip and ey wit atroc publish titl men that refer abound rachel bortnick jewish time june men that leonard hartil bobb indianapoli memoir armenian armi offic translat english and publish member american east relief organ account genocid turkish and moslem peopl armenia organ and execut armenian govern and armi account countless massacr and atroc turkish peopl armenia adventur east rawlinson dodd mead eyewit account genocid british armi offic world aliv person stori robert dunn crown publish inc york anoth eyewit account genocid american offic sardarapat serv and lousann aveti aharonian armenian review magazin volum fall spring memoir chief armenian deleg pari peac confer publish armenian review magazin articl volum fall volum spring memoir includ interview aharonian and british foreign minist lord curzon mention genocid discuss offici report mention lord curzon report british high commission caucasia sir oliv wardrop serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	turkish genocid incontrovert proven historian articl panix mpoli panix michael polymenako write categori number turk feel european made typo correct anoth post poor poli you prepar groundwork for anoth retreat your arromdian asala sdpa arf claim hasan mutlu and serdar argic post stuff that can attribut typograph error for past love that happen window and fascist nazi soviet armenian govern east your ignor armenian genocid million muslim peopl characterist arromdian sourc papazian patriot pervert baikar press boston that terror nation promin part revolutionari activ dashnag leader caucasu organ fight turk chieftain success fight armenian oppon turkei and caucasu defenseless and innoc fact remain that leader turkish armenian section dashnagtzoutun not carri promis loyalti turkish turk enter war and call for armenian volunt fight turk caucasian front thousand armenian world flock standard such famou fighter antranik keri dro etc armenian volunt regiment render valuabl servic russian armi year map minut sourc mccarthi muslim and minor popul ottoman anatolia and end empir york univers press york sourc hovannisian richard armenia road independ univers california press berkelei and lo angel your exist list scholar and publicli scholarli sourc mine arromdian refer emin author field middl eastern histori and eyewit armenian genocid million muslim armenian revolutionari movement louis nalbandian univers california press berkelei lo angel diplomaci imperi william lenger professor histori harward univers boston alfr knopt york turkei europ sir charl elliot edward arnold london chatnam hous version and middl eastern studi eli kedouri praeger publish york washington rise crescent ernest jackh farrar reinhart inc york toronto spiritu and polit evolut islam felix valyi mogan paul trench truebner london struggl for power moslem asia alexand powel centuri york london struggl for transcaucasia feruz kazemzadeh yale univers press haven conn histori ottoman empir and modern turkei volum stanford shaw cambridg univers press cambridg york melbourn western question greec and turkei arnold toynbe constabl london bombai sydnei caliph last heritag sir mark syke macmillan london men that leonard hartil bobb indianapoli adventur east rawlinson dodd mead world aliv person stori robert dunn crown publish inc york sardarapat serv and lousann aveti aharonian armenian review magazin volum fall spring armenia road independ richard hovanessian univers california press berkelei california rebirth turkei clair price thoma seltzer york caucasian battlefield allen paul muratoff cambridg partit turkei harri howard fertig york king crane commiss harri howard beirut unit state polici and partit turkei laurenc evan john hopkin univers press baltimor british document relat turkish war independ gothard jaeschk nesid kerem demir bir sehid anasina tarihin soyledikleri turkiy nin ermeni meselesi hulb basim yayin ankara ingilizc birinci baski armenian question turkei veysel eroglu ermeni mezalimi sebil yayinevi istanbul alper gazigirai osmanlilardan gunumuz kadar vesikalarla ermeni teroru nun kaynaklari gozen kitabevi istanbul kirzioglu fahrettin kar ili cevresind ermeni mezalimi kard matbaasi ankara basbakanlik osmanli arsivi babiali istanbul yildiz esa evraki yildiz perakend irad defterleri cemaat gayr muslim defterleri meclisi vukela mazbatalari dahiliy nezareti kalem mahsu dosyalari dahiliy nezareti sifr defterleri babiali evrak odasi siyasi kartonlar babiali evrak odasi muhimm kartonlari disisleri bakanligi hazin evrak defterdarlik harb umumi muteferrik kartonlar british archiv parliamentari paper hansard common lord foreign offic confidenti print collect foreign offic turkei correspond annual report foreign offic foreign offic polit intellig gener correspond foreign offic ryan paper foreign offic curzon paper foreign offic eastern confer lausann file india offic record and librari blackfriar road london polit and secur box turkei treati peac east turkei and greec lausann confer french archiv archiv minister de affair entranger quai orsai pari document diplomatiqu affair armenien collect guerr turqui legion orient levant armeni offici public publish document diplomat correspond agreement minut and turkei ottoman empir and republ turkei akarli belgelerl tanzimat istanbul kur atas askeri tarih belgeleri dergisi xxxi dec askeri tarih belgeleri dergisi xxxii dec hocaoglu ittihad anasir osmaniy heyeti nizamnamesi istanbul merai tran lozan bari konferansi tutanaklar belgel ankara vol merai olcai osmanli imparatorlugu nun coku belgeleri mondro birakismasi sevr andlasmasi ilgili belgel ankara osmanli devleti dahiliy nezareti aspir agiss revolutionnair de comit armenien avant apr proclam constitut ottoman istanbul ermeni komitelerinin amal hareket ihtilaliyesi ilan mesrutiyetten evvel sonra istanbul idar umumiy vilayet kanunu istanbul muharrerat umumiy mecmuasi istanbul muharrerat umumiy mecmuasi istanbul muharrerat umumiy mecmuasi iii istanbul muharrerat umumiy mecmuasi istanbul osmanli devleti hariciy nezareti imtiyazat ecnebiyy nin lagvindan dolayi memurin teblig olunacak talimatnam istanbul osmanli devleti harbiy nezareti islam ahalinin ducar olduklari mezalim hakkinda vesaik mustenid malumat istanbul ordu aliy divan harbi orfisind tedkik olunan mesel siyasiy hakkinda izahat istanbul turkozu osmanli sovyet belgeleriyl ermeni mezalimi ankara turkiy buyuk millet meclisi gizli cels zabitlari ankara vol russia adamof sovyet devlet arsivi belgeleriyl anadolu nun taksimi plani tran rahmi mutlucag istanbul altinai iki komit iki kital istanbul kafka yollarinda hatiralar tahassusl istanbul turkiy katolik propagandasi turk tarihi encumeni mecmuasi xiv sept asaf muammer harb mesulleri istanbul akboi birinci dunya harbind turk harbi osmanli imparatorlugu nun siyasi askeri hazirliklari harb girisi kur ankara akgun gener harbord anadolu gezisi ermeni meselesi dair raporu kurtulu savasi baslangicinda istanbul akin turk devrim tarihi istanbul aksin jon turkler ittihad terakki istanbul basar ermenilerden gorduklerimiz ankara ermenil hakkinda makalel derlemel ankara belen birinci dunya harbind turk harbi ankara deliorman turkler karsi ermeni komitecileri istanbul eg pren sabahaddin hayati ilmi mudafaalari istanbul ercikan ermenilerin bizan osmanli imparatorluklarindaki rolleri ankara gurun ermeni sorunu yahut bir sorun nasil yaratilir turk tarihind ermenil sempozyumu izmir hocaoglu arsiv vesikalariyla tariht ermeni mezalimi ermenil istanbul karal osmanli tarihi vii viii ankara kurat osmanli imparatorlugu nun paylasilmasi ankara orel yuca ermenilerc talat pasa atfedilen telgraflarin icyuzu ankara english translat ahmad young turk committe union and progress turkish polit oxford world war and ensu year armenian dictatorship premedit and systemat genocid complet centuri polici annihil turk and kurd savag murder million muslim and deport rest year homeland attempt genocid justli regard instanc genocid centuri act entir peopl thi event incontrovert proven historian govern and intern polit leader such ambassador mark bristol william langer ambassador layard jame barton stanford shaw arthur chester john dewei robert dunn papazian nalbandian ohanu appressian jorg blanco villalta gener nikolayef gener bolkovitinof gener prjevalski gener odiselidz meguerditch kazimir motayef twerdokhlebof gener hamelin rawlinson aveti aharonian stephan eshnani varandian gener bronsart arfa hamlin bogho nubar sarki atamian katchaznouni rachel bortnick halid edip mccarthi allen paul muratoff and hurewitz professor govern emeritu director middl east institut columbia univers bernard lewi cleveland dodg professor eastern histori princeton univers halil inalcik univers professor ottoman histori member american academi art scienc univers chicago peter golden professor histori rutger univers newark stanford shaw professor histori univers california lo angel thoma naff professor histori director middl east research institut univers pennsylvania ronald jen associ professor histori asian studi univers illinoi howard reed professor histori univers connecticut dankwart rustow distinguish univers professor polit scienc citi univers graduat school york john wood associ professor middl eastern histori univers chicago john masson smith professor histori univers california berkelei alan fisher professor histori michigan state univers avigdor levi professor histori brandei univers andrea bodrogligetti professor histori univers california lo angel kathleen burril associ professor turkish studi columbia univers roder davison professor histori georg washington univers walter denni professor histori univers massachusett caesar farah professor histori univers minnesota tom goodrich professor histori indiana univers pennsylvania tibor halasi kun professor emeritu turkish studi columbia univers justin mccarthi professor histori univers louisvil jon mandavil professor histori portland state univers oregon robert olson professor histori univers kentucki madelin zilfi professor histori univers maryland jame stewart robinson professor turkish studi univers michigan list and and serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	book deal genocid muslim armenian articl zaniko sfu zaniko kit sfu dimitrio zaniko write you make sound turk inoc teenag virgin marri and read atroc commit turk greek period time greec occupi turk you expect that turk live greec treat greek educ system shambl histori show that last year greek plai that game twice us istanbul patriarch grigorio instig morea rebellion that result massacr muslim peopl orthodox patriarch constantin invit russian czar nichola invad ottoman empir name jesu and save flock ottoman rule sourc past mediev and modern greek cultur spero vryoni byzantina kai metabyzantina vol malibu calif word professor skioti savag jubil greek sang word turk remain morea world greek determin achiev romaiko knew war religi extermin improv thi for you ottoman empir lost world war british land greek armi izmir extermin peopl turkiy you suffer sever case amnesia tire and defeat turk rose form nation forc leadership mustafa kemal and august annihil bulk greek armi wait greek war independ brought disast jewish commun peloponneso revolut erupt jew close associ ottoman administr massacr turk jewish commun mistra tripoli and kalamata decim survivor move north settl chalki and volo ottoman rule patra lost ancient jewish commun refound niko stavroulaki athen auschwitz page sourc professor stanford shaw jew ottoman empir and turkish republ york univers press york page disintegr ottoman empir had for centuri disastr for ottoman jewri thi ag nation christian subject sultan start greek revolut earli nineteenth centuri base megali idea great idea sought add greek kingdom istanbul and larg portion anatolia union greec felt dream and hope success greek nation movement provid fact intervent great power effort greek stimul similar upris subject southeastern europ had long oppress not ottoman greek religi hierarchi domin orthodox millet lead pressur for religi independ grant bulgarian orthodox exarch serbian church and rumanian church subsequ aspir for and achiev polit independ page nationalist leader greatli assist campaign ottoman diplomat and consular repres major power europ and christian missionari emphas feel christian superior and hatr for muslim and jew fortifi religi ethnic base pursuit independ christian nation base religi ethnic ident resurrect mediev bigotri had devast jew and muslim and had driven togeth past viciou anti muslim and anti semit movement develop involv larg scale persecut and massacr carri invad armi independ state that result christian subject remain empir jewish and muslim support for ottoman integr fear fate emerg nationalist state southeastern europ result explos and damag invad armi russia and austria revolt nationalist and successfulli establish independ christian state commit systemat genocid jew and muslim nineteenth centuri despit great power admonit contrari treati pari and berlin page peopl southeastern europ achiev independ muslim and jewish minor systemat persecut and massacr and surviv driven shrink boundari retreat ottoman empir kind slaughter had not sinc dispers jew palestin centuri earlier thi sort genocid had begun long late sixteenth centuri rumanian princip take lead unit rumania subsequ year nineteenth centuri ruler moldavia peter lame banish jew competit christian merchant princ micheal brave revolt ottoman rumanian princip wallachia and moldavia order massacr jew turk bucharest page slaughter continu into nineteenth centuri greek revolt ottoman rule greek volunt come russia and princip join effort slaughter and plunder jewish commun path moldavia and wallachia greec page second paragraph venic occupi island chio jewish popul massacr deport and jewish commun and person properti stolen nativ greek popul leav jew return utter poverti and reduc beg longer compet greek trade commerc page paragraph jew live greec and rumanian princip suffer terribl support for ottoman rule greek nationalist movement philik etairia start upris wallachia and moldavia spring hundr jew and muslim kill greek live nativ wallach height greek revolut thousand jew massacr morea muslim popul number twenti thousand tripolizza alon jew massacr uncount turk reverend john hartlei describ carnag conclud jewish blood mingl turkish flow street captur citi son isaac and son ishmael thi occas greek revolut met common fate corps cast citi and ancient sovereign judah receiv burial superior that ass jewish commun island sparta patra corintho mistra and argo wipe band greek rebel thebe vrachori attica and epiru surviv jew fled island corfu jew had fled itali and iberian peninsula had live peac and prosper venetian rule sinc twelfth centuri divid into rival greek and italian commun not long fell victim greek revolut lead savag repress and massacr jew forc surviv member two commun come togeth for defens for time year greek revolut greek nationalist town town mainland and island island agean extermin jew and muslim find road desper fled safeti left ottoman empir contemporari account relat that greek left murder jew and muslim ly expos bodi torn apart buzzard jew surviv massacr fled across agean small boat izmir start rise lead center ottoman jewish life nineteenth centuri northern greec area janina and salonica jew and turk successfulli resist greek assault save popul massacr remaind centuri greek turkish war jew remain greec area athen chalki larissa corfu and crete suffer sever persecut and massacr forc thousand emigr into ottoman territori salonica and izmir page last paragraph inclus treati berlin stipul provid protect for jewish and muslim minor southeastern europ stimul popular anti semit and anti muslim hysteria countri involv blood libel accus onc us pretext for attack and ravag jewish quarter for tactic for boycot jewish shopkeep merchant and profession movement quickli adapt christian millet major citi ottoman empir bulgarian rumanian and greek correctli regard jew support turk jew and turk expel countri equal atroci and brutal manner properti plunder and home and shop compens survivor fled desper edirn and istanbul offici statement subsequ issu grant equal right jew fact and continu persecut regularli into twentieth centuri page last paragraph thing not southeastern europ greek island agean and eastern mediterranean jew corfu subject sever persecut local greek due reviv ritual murder accus surviv found refug ottoman territori popular subscript drive carri istanbul leadership banqu camondo and and and thousand jew ottoman territori result pogrom russia and slight period respit jewish famili arriv istanbul flight persecut vidin independ bulgaria conquest ottoman thrace and macedonia greek and bulgarian forc balkan war includ salonica corlu and edirn gener attack jew synagogu home and shop countri result renew exodu istanbul and two report salonica graphic describ situat caus invad armi interest justif newspap europ li us cover truth can never destroi impress terribl anguish mark entri greek salonica week terror and horror can never easili forget hellen cruelli feel todai damag that explos hatr greek popul mob shown odiou and govern weak incompet greek administr and horror inflict soldier put terribl situat consul guarante absolut safeti muslim sixti massacr singl night wasn irregular comitaci massacr pillag and burn soldier armi chief polic and high civil offici activ part event serr hous burn almost shop consum flame and destruct bomb jewish popul lost and even wear despair emigr page result assault massacr and forc deport independ countri southeastern europ ottoman empir receiv liter thousand jewish refuge join muslim surviv persecut flood into empir shlomo rozan korot hayehudim beturkiyah vebeartzot hakedem hadorot haachronim jerusalem cite yitzchak kerem influenc anti semit jewish immigr pattern greec ottoman empir centuri maxim raybaud memoir sur grece pour servir histoir guerr independ vol pari galant turc juif istanbul rev hugh travel greec and albania edn vol london rev john hartlei research greec and levant london quot yitzchak kerem jewish immigr pattern greec ottoman empir nineteenth centuri publish paper deliv comit intern etud pre ottoman ottoman viii symposium decis make and transmiss author turkic system univers minnesota minneapoli minnesota august hartlei ibid william martin leak travel northern greec vol london erriko sevilla athen auschwitz athen quot kerem ibid document kerem ibid pearl preschel jew corfu greec unpublish dissert york univers goerg finlai histori greek revolut london greec vii yoannina vasdrav thessaloniki kata ton agona ti aneksantizia salonica yitzchak kerem outlin histori jew selonica hebrew museum kibbutz lahoma getaot quot kerem ibid kerem ibid persecut jew time london ablagon aiu octob aiu grece viii schaki larissa aiu august septemb baiu grece deuxiem seri semestr elia fraggi larissa aiu june aiu grece larissa aiu repres aiu june juli aiu grece jewish commun canea leader samo aiu march aiu grece viii pearl preschel jew corfu greec unpublish dissert york univers leon sciaki farewel salonica portrait era york edgar morin vidal le sien pari seuil paul dumont social structur jewish commun salonica end nineteenth centuri southeastern europ galant turc viii rodrigu cohen ecol secondair mois allatini salonica aiu pari decemb aiu archiv mizrahi presid aiu salonica aiu pari juli aiu archiv pari aiu allianc israelit universel pari serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	your armenian grandpar admit unspeak crime articl apr leland stanford edu arto leland stanford edu artavazd khachikian write thi machin idiot continu swing argic mutlu function surpris find final look thi newsgroup and thi begin fascist soviet armenian govern will not genocid million turk and kurd and azeri peopl your crimin grandpar commit unheard crime resort conceiv method despot organ massacr pour petrol babi and burn rape women and girl front parent bound hand and foot girl mother and father and appropri person properti and real estat and todai put azeri unbear condit nation had histori your fascist grandpar admit unspeak crime deni genocid truth crimin nazi armenian not chanc sourc men that leonard ramsden hartil bobb merril compani indianapoli page memoir armenian offic particip genocid million muslim peopl foreword for exampl camp night half ruin tartar mosqu habit build destroi villag border persia and russian armenia even ask ohanu histori villag and destruct matter fact repli assist sack and destruct and wit slai bone you dai scatter ruin and second paragraph close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for tartar and proceed work extermin troop surround villag villag resist offer artilleri knock hut into heap stone and dust and villag unten and inhabit fled into field bullet and bayonet complet work tartar escap found refug mountain succeed cross border into turkei rest kill and that length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki hot plain ararat cold mountain plateau north dot mute mourn ruin tartar villag quiet villag for howl wolv and jackal that visit paw scatter bone dead second paragraph tartar for part poor live villag and cultiv small farm continu life nomad forefath drove flock and herd vallei vallei plain mountain and mountain plain pasturag chang season rang salt desert shore caspian sea into mighti caucasu mountain even villag tartar primit peopl semicivil can that armenian frankli despis tartar and hold disproportion share wealth countri regard and treat inferior fact that russian look armenian armenian regard tartar prove bond ourselv and racial neighbor intensifi attitud and conduct part that serv exacerb hostil second paragraph men arm gather togeth and advanc tartar section villag light hous and door bar for tartar suspect happen and great fear men hammer door respons smash door and began carnag that continu last tartar slain hideou night cower home terror unabl shut ear pierc scream helpless victim and loud shout men morn work finish second paragraph thing member dashnack parti administr experi govern institut quickli prove incompet rule legitim mean member govern had revolutionist work secret and law legal institut recogn govern bodi destini armenia hand prove incompet resum terrorist tactic that had character fight russian and turkish govern outlaw dai outstand featur rule that power dai trial and execut hear man evok displeasur govern offici and condemn arrest prefer charg method execut for govern mauserist walk condemn man home street place pistol back head and blow brain thi simpl get rid undesir view govern and common pai debt paragraph soldier succeed drive bayonet tartar point weapon emerg back anoth soldier seiz rock and pound tartar head armenian had bayonet sprang feet wrest weapon tartar bodi and rais lip lick clean blood exclaim russian slodkei slodkei sweet second paragraph even pass had tartar villag ruin fire burn fire and seat group soldier two tartar girl mere children girl crouch ground cry softli suppress sob ly scatter ground broken household utensil and furnish tartar peasant home bodi dead paragraph asleep night awaken persist cry child aros and investig full moon enabl make and reveal wreck and litter tragedi that had enact guid child cry enter yard hous judg appear home turkish famili corner yard found women dead throat had cut ly breast small child girl year slowli train oxcart lumber snow cart jolt and load swai boi ran line oxen encourag shrill tartar cri and belabor beast stick cart women veil tartar held children arm wrap blanket and huddl good that burden cart sought protect wind and cold men plod foot across road ravin barrier had thrown lead oxteam reach thi barrier and halt gunmen and ruffian conceal rock open fire women and children leap and scrambl cart scream ran and sought vainli for safeti thi massacr not complet armenian soldier barrack hear fire and turmoil hurri scene that dai abandon tartar quarter alexandropol loot and complet destroi great swarm peasant had come hide place retreat turk armi advanc enter into citi armi and immedi began plunder store that had left turk terribl vengeanc tartar kurd and turk villag destroi and slain driven countri fanat dashnack hate turk and order diminish intens tartar kurd and russian and second paragraph russian troop terribl thing turkish villag armenian not spare tartar persist slaughter prison loot and rape and massacr helpless becom commonplac action expect and accept matter scene massacr dead lai ground number fallen leav forest had helpless and defenseless sheep had not di soldier die heat battl fire ardor and courag weapon hand and exchang blow for blow had di helpless heart and brain burst horror wors death paragraph thi movement thousand turkish soldier had captur russian and left hand russian abandon struggl retreat karakli two thousand poor devil cruelli put death sicken brutal displai not make effect protest mercifulli shot burn death method emploi put quantiti straw into hut and crowd hut turk set fire straw paragraph tartar section town longer exist pile ruin had destroi and inhabit slaughter fate befel tartar section khankandi second paragraph men had serv russian armi and train soldier armenian rich and possess arm tartar had never receiv militari train poor and possess arm knive shortli kill tartar villag revolut russia suppress paragraph year begin movement invis govern armenian armenian had establish turkish armenia arm opposit turkish govern thi secret govern had court and law and armi assassin call mauserist profession killer enforc decre paragraph dashnack continu open rebellion turkish govern paragraph dashnack engin gener revolt armenian turkish armenia mistaken belief that european nation interven and secur independ for turkish armenia second paragraph dashnack fanat paragraph dashnack advantag thi situat and extend revolutionari activ into russian provinc institut campaign terror and emploi threat and forc secur contribut parti fund rich armenian wealthi man assess stipul sum refus pai brought sentenc death member parti pledg carri order question man assassin lot drawn select execution job assign mauserist parti paragraph moment victori turk and kurd tartar armenian remorseless seek vengeanc paragraph citi scene confus and terror earli dai war russian troop invad turkei larg number turkish popul abandon home and fled russian advanc second paragraph made cannon huge gun lift requir men made ball for cannon armenian knock tartar hous and drive tartar paragraph tartar villag ruin paragraph dead tartar lai head pool mud and blood beard setac and crimson serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	final solut for gaza articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write basic altern for gaza annex gaza egypt annex gaza israel maintain statu quo partit gaza into jewish and arab state don necisarili support felt point solut time research into adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
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talk.politics.mideast	zionism articl iqc cmu edu anwar cmu edu anwar moham write organ distribut nazi propaganda you attempt ration thi crude stereotyp point wtc bomb arab american had involv huh moham salimeh perhap korean you claim arab american had involv wtc bomb involv alleg fbi doesn reliabl dai honestli pile evid point and involv thi not mean that arab american involv blame for deni that arab american involv sound sorta silli adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
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talk.politics.mideast	isra terror articl apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer write adam endor write articl apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer write time condemn israel for gross violat human right fail condemn gross violat human right place globe and middl east lead peopl conclud that bias choos condemn short incomplet list thing didn even condemn incid secur council respons hindu moslem clash india kill gass death kurd iraqi air forc saudi secur forc slaughter pilgrim mecca kill algerian armi demonstr intrafada arab kill arab kill civilian slaughter govern troop hama syria kill palestinian jordanian troop thousand expel sept moslem kill egypt kill egypt bread riot border and rocket attack israel plo alon munich isra athlet slaughter alot children kill plo attack israel coastal bu attack dead wound syria kill palestinian lebanon dead sinc yemen kill two week sudan ten thousand black slave civil war toll million kill million refuge tienenman squar massacr rumania kill pan disast carri northern ireland cambodia soviet occup afghanistan american riot attica watt newark kent state israel destroi iraqi reractor israel condemn isra polic protect isra worship condemn arab mob anti jewish rioter kill syrian soldier slaughter christian soldier surrend wow you sourc new world that israel treat unfairli you don you care demonstr list expand version you chose post demonstr fair action wrt israel luckili that not case suggest read european paper isra propaganda arab paper wouldn hurt propaganda side you make odd assumpt that read isra paper not european main sourc new economist london base magazin rare occaison read arab paper hard find english languag paper arab countri you exampl happen peopl chose read don wrong perfectli your right don act you object claim object point item list that israel condemn for action that nation not condemn for you and attack for read isra newspap you debat thi you make hominum attack feel free that not mask anoth adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror tclock orion oac uci edu write articl apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer write adam endor write articl apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer write time condemn israel for gross violat human right fail condemn gross violat human right place globe and middl east lead peopl conclud that bias choos condemn short incomplet list thing didn even condemn incid secur council respons gass death kurd iraqi air forc civilian slaughter govern troop hama syria kill palestinian jordanian troop thousand expel sept syria kill palestinian yemen kill two week sudan ten thousand black slave civil war toll million kill million refuge rumania kill northern ireland cambodia kill field million murder syrian soldier slaughter christian soldier surrend adam shostack adam da harvard edu wow you sourc new world that israel treat unfairli luckili that not case suggest read european paper isra propaganda arab paper wouldn hurt propaganda side you exampl happen peopl chose read don wrong perfectli your right don act you object unclear you that event not occurr you condemn express outrag event list retain that reflect polici murder and abus that irrelev fact you expect israel abus polici condemn you that you not notic degre select moral part you find conveni and easi blith ignor abhorr act simpli perpetr don happen your bad gui list tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin thi time post that oppos make person insult congradul tim peopl answer you factual part esp intern conflict polici israel get nation due veto not familiar instanc that reason saudi arabia not condemn for killig pilgrim that pilgrim iranian bias favor and alli includ israel saudi arabia and pakistan and outlaw countri iran and recent iraq support repress govern slack israel for thing wrong reason condemn don occur li race countri victim gass iraqi kurd associ iran war and sinc iran perceiv wors iraq condemn result palestinian kill arab countri involv anoth case care that recent care palestinian di anywher includ israel and occupi territori lack person insult
talk.politics.mideast	stretch adriat sea great wall china report turkei ey region role ankara turkei april find last paragraph turanist premier suleyman demirel critic ozal turanist brash call for turkish influenc spoken turanist swath turkic peopl stretch adriat turanist sea great wall china demirel fool end envis pan turkic empir balkan and caucasu turkei fascist boast pre empt suggest turkei world feel grei wolf teeth and attempt stretch adriat china turkei will cri wolf onc david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia not learn lesson center for region studi anatolia and forgotten box punish inflict cambridg late turkish presid turgut ozal
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talk.politics.mideast	egypt call for fight fundamentalist object pro bosnian step articl benali alcor benali alcor concordia ilyess bdira write islamabad upi repres islam nation tuesdai request bosnia herzegovina for million and weapon fight bosnian serb commit million saudi arabia saudia for pocket chang compar that liber and gave weird pai damn you and damn you don donat million bosnia herzegovina sourc polit committe deleg agreement bosnian muslim request for weapon had delai decis interpret violat unit nation embargo suppli arm bosnia warn egyptian foreign minist amer moussa amr moussa not worri intern law tortur death citizen and shot peopl prai mosqu caus troubl neighbor becasu cia doesn shut won involv bosnian effort west repres even islam confer for record egyptian troop station can rememb exact date late last year fact lost man barrak
talk.politics.mideast	account anti armenian human violat azerbaijan account anti armenian human violat azerbaijan prelud current event nagorno karabakh beat husband drag wife and stood nake burn thing husband ly feet ground crowd shout nake armenian throw poor woman into fire mamma wouldn window and stand and skewer that had heat fire and stuck into bodi deposit zinaida poghosovna hakopian born dispatch kavkazenergoremont electr booster station daughter gayan gaya vazgenovna hakopian born orderli sumgait municip hospit diana vazgenovna hakopian born second year student sumgait secondari school resid build apart microdistrict sumgait azerbaijan zinaida march arriv yerevan and dai regist train station and board hous condit wonder armenian receiv not relax don feel for tortur don place call had two bedroom apart sumgait children school and live friendship pain that time soviet period peopl can break into apart and kill and children put effort and youth for older daughter studi institut middl prepar enter medic school and intern orderli and youngest had sick for long time had return health lot life year sinc lost husband rais children lot women similar fate noth can control rememb happen sumgait februari and horror indescrib februari rel ira visit friend oldest daughter and ask vika vika pirkuli trip for dai suppos come back tomorrow middl daughter gaya had bake cake and sat talk and laugh drink tea gaya and diana walk ira home left and minut suddenli hear nois race balconi balconi across bu station live corner mir and druzhba street and that hoard peopl bu station and shout shout can understand neighbor stand balconi nufar happen don can figur scare kid had and want run knock door open door and kid mamma gayan you never aw ira aunt zina shout karabagh karabagh karabagh our didn threaten drive armenian and slaughter call brother and wife answer phone aunt tamara don worri ira stai and home couldn shut ey night long even morn worri vika god had happen gayan that dai stood balconi and observ happen mamma wouldn watch weren yard build and bu station and hear perfectli stop buse drag peopl lead passeng for armenian found armenian bu start don call zinaida call slaughter gayan mob descend peopl and beat don kill not left lai not move noth left person ly and start drag polic stand side not didn step calm that mob aw stand and watch balconi and you couldn anywher you want want leav sumgait that dai idea that live soviet union and that world govern zinaida couldn leav town older daughter wasn home and time terrifi for gaya and diana sundai morn ira home neighbor zin you into valodya hous and smash had murder father and two son valodya neighbor armenian live floor god happen and broad daylight ira home and back across mob shout slai armenian karabagh our thi clock afternoon stop into bread store and saleswoman beat store manag thought armenian and beat azerbaijani and ask kill condit left and start walk home that street mob start move direct turn street and that sputnik store met anoth crowd weren bandit peopl sumgait frighten that walk know couldn feel leg ground feet walk and boi stand ey thi even time ran balconi and mob surg shout armenian wore black coat grab that boi bu stop grab leg and struck head asphalt made home couldn calm oldest daughter thought think daughter come home stop bu and polic protect noth had di noth author whatsoev can even find word for and ikaru arriv bu station stop place across kosmo movi theater thi ikaru stop and gang yell azerbaijani run yell armenian and armenian and beat kill can watch nightmar couldn watch gaya stand watch and scold mamma happen ey can peopl children will gayan great deal caught peopl ey can for kill not zinaida peopl mob big you couldn make that boi black coat ey year gayan older tall fellow big gui coat walk quickli shout that armenian tore run and mob caught balconi don don left that you can imagin happen crowd attack person mob big angri and featureless you similar dress wear long black coat you couldn even apart wear black and look alik zinaida pick that boi and struck asphalt and cri mamma ran into room couldn watch longer aw lot place wasn that boi peopl beaten you couldn onc that boi cri mamma immedi start watch gayan that dai six morn twelv night midnight dispers and polic place scatter district can you explain fact that morn had start get light clock polic polic disappear and yield posit bandit morn start gather inter section bu station and entranc downtown morn road and mass transit stop cover and clock you couldn even ground thousand peopl crowd began stop vehicl and check for armenian zinaida had signal realiz that notic that made cross arm cross arm head cross evid meant that vehicl had armenian azerbaijani car and stop armenian and start pogrom gayan stop white zhiguli and ask driver nation and baku your nation armenian immedi start shout ermeni ermeni and come baku don live sumgait doesn matter care you baku sumgait crowd pounc and start beat and drag woman wife car thi point polic and two and led mob start smash car and burn flame blaze horribl fire ran thought car explod minut anoth car come green moskvich ran shout ermeni ermeni thi time didn pull peopl car didn beat burn car emerg flame neighbor boi vakhit stand balconi acquaint walk below and ask and burn car two hour wed process and doll car thought armenian car start honk loudli azerbaijani and immedi allow zinaida driver wave hand crowd part and process pass freeli gayan marriag hall courtyard build wed that dai azerbaijani cele brate and danc street grief and death peopl kill and peopl celebr time zinaida apart attack ask gaya call and find tourist bu suppos arriv girlfriend build live entrywai floor gaya back and mamma bu suppos come you can imagin feel hard vika knew noth happen and come meet death heard shout race window and that belong neighbor second entrywai thrown outdoor thrash pillow and feather ly snow start cry walk room cry wail vika not will come gaya consol mamma noth will happen don worri calm good compani for diana green car burn car burn balconi gaya push tell balconi left balconi and ask armenian zinaida you forgot that that diana small grassi area front balconi tree plant mob ask armenian build neighbor armenian weren lot armenian build weren armenian famili gayan fell apart terribl courtyard huge and complet fill zinaida katusev had made appear televis earlier that two peopl azerbaijani had kill karabagh and that you bee sound you heard buzz buzz million bee and thi buzz flew into courtyard howl and shout don describ thi point afraid watch balconi look bedroom window znaniy bookstor and armenian live second and fourth floor thing thrown window realiz that minut shout gayan gaya hide gold that honestli told child grab diana didn vika wasn home and get dark afraid time horrifi gayan case chang televis channel moscow station azerbaijani zinaida and turn loud gayan never listen azerbaijani music didn for year almost never listen sometim watch entertain show film azerbaijani televis and that and had turn full blast azerbaijani zinaida you can imagin slaughter armenian rob and listen thi concert music baku azerbaijani neighbor suggest knock door and told gaya turn azerbaijani music had turn light told will you not armenian armenian afraid turn light hide gayan appar kind arrang notic that light armenian apart that azerbaijani warn and last had light turn light two neighbor immedi and anoth turn light told noth will happen calm noth will happen zinaida won come into your apart gayan believ peopl had never bad zinaida nightmar march left for armenia come into build cry azerbaijani cry can god rais hand your famili you never harm you never refus not hard time time fortun time mourn give you sell you river had protect gave sold river gayan wear slack that dai and began cautiou for reason and chang cloth azerbaijani women don wear pant young armenian and russian girl sumgait wore pant azerbaijani found that strang and thought put skirt won told azerbaijani noth forc turn into god hair tousl and threw scarf head zinaida and told mamma you hide diana and into room you two armenian figur that armenian and leav gayan balconi work that armenian famili fourth entrywai thi gave hope neighbor wouldn azerbaijani fear for and for children look and crawl balconi below easi balconi lose kei neighbor into place and crawl across balconi and that turn and gui knife balconi and shout nation you zinaida time knock door gayan nation you shout frighten control and answer perfect azerbaijani you asham ask question that can you azerbaijani armenian come meet you face face and you ey and tell peopl azerbaijani live below check can armenian and ask nation you can you start fume not you blind that for you can yell you want that won make armenian hear break door and mamma door don time deal you break door door and answer open wait you break door open never lock lower lock broken had lock fear and couldn open wait for kei open door almost broken open door and burst you break door zinaida start climb balconi shout don you open door and you come balconi diana see knive run into bathroom and close door gaya cri mamma diana ran into bathroom ran door and forgot that pretend azerbaijani and armenian diana open door gaya calm and shout tear ey for diana open door diana sit couch doll red ride hood that gui climb balconi big knife yellow handl put mamma stomach ran bathroom open door and slam frighten and start cry shout mamma want kill you and start shout give your passport and gaya you passport for azerbaijani gayan convinc that azerbaijani knee and plead humbl that moment worri live honest didn care long sister surviv life and health had cost dearli don you understand start shout tremend excit shout terribl loud voic that stepanakert girl kill rape and toss pitchfork shouldn that armenian that give knife cut face you calm zinaida told didn you deal karabakh noth happen fight not armenian didn you give back thi confus had that azerbaijani suddenli start speak armenian didn notic knife breast and pretti girl meant gaya and year diana terrifi gaya start assur that azerbaijani gui stood doorwai and gave bad gayan demand passport young man don passport passport won you your passport and start hurriedli search for document turn wardrob room upsid pictur wall and start pull cloth hook yell and shout passport passport start yell nois apart shout hair stood end suddenli listen papa di dai haven pass muslim household mourn you asham you disgrac your honor and mamma start cry zinaida start cry husband di dai haven pass aren you asham fact husband had di year earlier mourn and you burst demand docu ment document hous offic file for pension believ gui lezgin can you men women leav anoth fellow group agre that lezgin armenian two convinc don and rest listen not room apart even entrywai fill start leav lezgin lezgin start leav and tape record and had call lezgin leav that you obei that gui gayan tall wear baggi jean and coat zinaida moustach gayan didn moustach tall brown hair wasn bad sort didn hand zinaida stood threshold gayan didn bad gui and you face familiar had and onc can rememb stupefi had premonit that wouldn remain indiffer that lezgin and that leav such glad start glow insid hope continu argu armenian and that fellow answer even armenian shame father di mourn noth women hous men stai apart you mean stai can and stai lezgin leav protect zinaida two short coat and grei suit stood threshold year young two defend diana zinaida you rememb diana diana wear dark cloth gayan back wore long brown coat diana wore long darkish brown coat and hair dark left told downstair that women armenian and ran back and that kill zinaida had left and had start calm and close door and knock told gaya diana and into room daughter into dine room and open door gui run hide come kill you ran floor had good neighbor azerbaijani kid and stood alon not know room couldn even even forgot work document time had prepar report send baku and document home couldn vika older daughter gaya and diana upstair and stood ask that fellow close door and leav thi you mean door come kill you you stand for and ran children gayan bare had time floor burst into apart and start shout armenian neighbor had infant time and neighbor don you worri not let thi apart matter zinaida floor start ask folk neighbor meet vika bu due arriv clock dissolv tear gaya sooth diana cry and think that lost older daughter deep heart aliv and tear choke mind leav build courtyard pack peopl swarm balconi neighbor apart hide ask bandit armenian home make told didn ask live answer can you floor ask special divert attent apart heard take free reign apart and threw color televis balconi and explod gayan mamma cry time fell into faint and brought and held back time make for door altern rave and sob shout and call vika didn notic thought vika neighbor hide calm offer tea zinaida grate children and aliv and unharm throw belong and burn bed pillow and chair neighbor and lucki you that not you stand nake woman you part build you lost your husband you children god you not posit wouldn don wouldn calm yard tortur neighbor fellow armenian live floor entrywai marri coupl vanya and nina and children last name hid two daughter and stai son defend even boil water readi and ax and held for long time beat husband drag wife and stood nake burn thing husband ly feet ground crowd shout nake armenian throw poor woman into fire neighbor azerbaijani woman threw scarf and cover and neighbor led apart neighbor and heard gayan mamma wouldn window and stand and skewer that had heat fire and stuck into bodi neighbor live entrywai nina live board hous had nina show knee almost neck bodi cover riddl wound zinaida morn night clock two buse approach station want run didn care live di gayan wouldn and neighbor that bring disast and slain children gaya cry and that forgot children vika imagin torn piec mother and children don understand jump balconi and run soldier for gayan wouldn mamma mamma beg you neighbor sleep and gayan woke cri held that till morn morn told neighbor downstair apart vika ly murder told for minut etern return and noth stole mous and slip thrown didn soldier armor personnel carrier farther bu station began for briefcas work miser daughter and time work document travel paper work transport divis and trip sheet gayan mamma respons person readi work clock job zinaida and can find briefcas didn care fact that had stolen room that smash and furnitur broken worri that concern lost document into kitchen daughter had hidden valuabl ga stove ring and ear minut pass and gayan ran and mamma hurri and diana downstair gayan found coat debri and diana found track shoe coat and dress diana immedi back neighbor start throw thing apart threw televis asphalt explod violent sound thunderclap vika wasn wouldn eat and forc couldn eat love vika terribl and and had movi and for walk park into apart dai and broken start for doll and book didn back upstair manag two cup tea servic and gaya vika suit and dress italian boot brown coat beauti wasn beauti doll and giant lion that had top televis larg and handsom had two satchel for grade and for second grade yellow green boi and girl plai drum and violin and dog sit close ear and letter and number two girl and boi mouth open sing beauti satchel had book collect bedsid tabl and boi had apron and headband for birthdai weren and had big book fat and disappear left malachit box adventur karlson pippi longstock and fairi tale world left book zinaida continu search for briefcas and supervisor arriv had wait for clock didn and thought happen russian aleksei semyonovich lomakin alik aliyev mechan wreck apart petrifi not thing start cry azerbaijani neighbor cry help pick for document and time put thing into wardrob that rememb funni and pain thought that had return apart and that had back normal incident back apart thing and door supervisor left afternoon neighbor that leav find anoth refug afraid that you come apart and that kill you and god daytim and don even call bandit maraud jackal don call can find word two girl open door had tear ey and terrifi and alik azerbaijani and you that earlier supervisor car fear for live into entrywai and stood and time you year two anoth door open floor neighbor tayara can hide your place azerbaijani kind question that come hid peopl courtyard and gaya and hid wardrob and put diana mattress leav small open child breath tayara that bandit left and back hide sat wardrob for half hour gaya ill and allow leg fell asleep and felt cannon hadn eaten drunk for long sinc that horror and snap tayara husband even beg stai man hous that courtyard and happen wife signal put passport and document tabl suddenli show that azerbaijani famili girl window and fear for children that recogn street gaya hair and put scarf resembl azerbaijani directli across stori build window across and shout that and give spot diana watch zinaida downstair bandit fight soldier soldier didn shoot didn order throw rock soldier young boi and year old and defend mother and children soldier fell and head start bleed had stop couldn watch anymor imagin children shoe gayan troop had assum defens that morn and had cordon build and soldier surround bu station block and microdistrict cordon mob fell soldier start protect and mob surg into courtyard soldier caught azerbaijani and start beat club fell and crack open anoth head zinaida show lebanon televis and war afghanistan that america attack demonstr shield and club that courtyard gayan don compar america peac demonstr zinaida happen and not america attack soldier hurl stone thought tear ga that american us dispers demonstr had us ga jackal scatter gayan not scatter soldier had sinc morn didn bring fresh troop hadn eaten fine stand for hour tire weren even allow sit noon soldier attack and tabl turn mob soldier gui bunch into group center street and cover shield and azerbaijani surround and threw pave stone and gui sat cover shield and meanwhil tank machin gun cruis street children never war never even dream thought peopl had live war horribl gui tire exhaust had had club shield had beaten cover blood di beat soldier club and shield and gui stood and couldn defend couldn open fire couldn even defend alon comic zinaida you can funni gayan didn mean that that happen soviet period painfulli embarrass and burn armor personnel carrier shout blow scatter and armor personnel carrier explod soldier lost sens and drove personnel carrier and bu mob rage and furi drove sidewalk zinaida bu that had brought troop driver bu ran peopl straight and two armor personnel carrier ran two minut bu ran carrier ran two and second two street dry cleaner and applianc and watch repair place armor personnel carrier that and ran ran ey bu plough into book kiosk gayan that flower place booth drove straight into zinaida driver jump and drag vehicl middl road and set fire gayan and troop put bunch azerbaijani bu and convoi baku arrest zinaida neighbor hid couldn and told wife that leav run courtyard for armenian knew that hide azerbaijani and that check azerbaijani famili poor tayara scare and start cry plead that rememb forev save children and gayan didn make leav that afraid zinaida told tayara that stai longer and that night return apart husband back and that curfew had impos zina you ow drink gorbachev announc curfew and bagirov secretari communist parti azerbaijan ssr televis that two peopl had kill karabagh noth wrong automobil window had broken hadn kill make statement and azerbaijani song and danc tayara turn learn curfew calm crowd ran into courtyard larg neighbor told that had armenian famili had kill left hid wardrob and stuck diana back bed gayan tayara apart happen and found two bandit ask you tayara answer for you want zinaida had want for bed you empti hand nake children noth remain your entir apart short calm and crowd race build across don gayan curfew had effect gang start dispers warn that open fire soldier didn citi couldn orient drove and main street didn into courtyard citi parti committe ask peopl sumgait and show zinaida tank enter citi night gayan mamma tank had earlier citi parti committe armenian midnight march had final sleep two sleepless night mamma your thing togeth buse for had dress entir time mamma check and back for zinaida back for children tayara that vika aliv and gui had come and told that had hidden safe place believ and didn ran tank gambarian roman and sasha father shurik clarinetist kill and mother sasha and ask girl surpris girl that knew and girl neighbor for gaya and diana and take forev anoth neighbor anna vasilyevna russian zinochka dear goodby and good luck kiss diana put bu and captain gave order for citi parti committe bu wouldn start put anoth pour rain diana impos curfew soldier street and had club and shield and azerbaijani attack soldier di threw pave stone huge rock soldier thi soldier ran azerbaijani tank soldier that azerbaijani violenc peopl and ran rage scare and hid mattress and blanket and gaya and mamma crawl into wardrob and fight street build blow buse and tank and car burn and dead courtyard drove sidewalk street drove and didn manag run tank and left even dark buse and had soldier mamma ran and your cloth gaya wear slipper and had blue dress wear jacket dress and slipper and noth gaya had skirt angora sweater and slipper rain hard and puddl street gave mamma coat wear short sleev dress put and ran bu and hungri soldier yerevan gave ration and carri bu arm gave glass that remain vika trousseau and gave telephon number gayan bu soldier shield sit window had readi for citi parti committe and into citi parti committe build arm guard jam peopl and you couldn breath ask armenian answer surpris that armenian sumgait year live and didn armenian struck that had never notic downstair dai ran into secretari komsomol vika plant khimprom that vika aliv and told mamma calm you that hard faith didn complet zinaida didn had heard kind thing arriv citi parti committe heard imagin fear god acquaint kiss each and ask children and home peopl knew that had pogrom apart had broken window cri that didn vika woman that had two daughter and that couldn find had slash second that husband and son had murder that nelli aramian live build microdistrict kill husband armo and son artur heard thing that that start lose touch patienc had run dry wait for daughter azerbaijani fellow and aunt zina vika aliv and and hidden safe place you want call and you can speak downstair floor and call vika spoke heard voic child had manag surviv that hell start beg that azerbaijani bring citi parti committe talk bring wherev you don worri look brother sister ask brought and calm second dai meet demichev member politburo central committe communist parti ussr and peopl start shout shout give son back anoth yell daughter want husband bagirov and stood blink not gayan demichev ask want shout russia honest frighten armenia such wild rumor terribl dream and want armenia that couldn evacu peopl russia and that meet individu dai and speak and that todai apart march militari barrack villag nasosni care marvel militari special flight children minvodi yerevan and moscow woman left for moscow letter for gorbachev and gromyko zinaida worst had pass pain will remain for live cannot forgotten circumst children grandchildren forget will answer for di for mother sister brother son and daughter will bear respons will wash blood made answer and sever effect peopl that pleas isn live armenia protect issu isn resolv stai armenia homeland that armenian peopl will unit will invinc armenian won scatter soviet union world and togeth thi won happen mother children woman sister armenian unit that happen sumgait will never happen homeland request that help obtain apart and get job that children can work for good armenia aren children and work for good armenia thi land forefath grandfath and great grandfath live that peopl dispers mother land bore and rear wife and will protect want thing that peopl never hardship that children that your children armenia never yerevan refer sumgait tragedi pogrom armenian soviet azerbaijan volum eyewit account edit samuel shahmuradian forward yelena bonner publish aristid caratza page david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia not learn lesson center for region studi anatolia and forgotten box punish inflict cambridg late turkish presid turgut ozal
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talk.politics.mideast	stretch adriat sea great wall china articl apr urartu sdpa org dbd urartu sdpa org david davidian write report turkei ey region role ankara turkei april find last paragraph turanist premier suleyman demirel critic ozal turanist brash call for turkish influenc spoken turanist swath turkic peopl stretch adriat turanist sea great wall china demirel fool end envis pan turkic empir balkan and caucasu turkei fascist boast pre empt suggest turkei world feel grei wolf teeth and attempt stretch adriat china turkei will cri wolf onc mention that turkic peopl wide spread mean desir turkish empir that logic thing conclud statement that that turkei econom benefit that can competit that you freedom extrapol you statement question context ozal us word you quot can you give speech tankut atan tankut iastat edu achtung babi
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talk.politics.mideast	isra media isra terror articl njt boni boni jake boni boni jake livni write articl apr ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem write jake can call doctor mohand brad ali hernlem last wednesdai congratul field thi doctor jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid add congratul surviv gauntlet cheer tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin
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talk.politics.mideast	israel expans articl tso boni boni jake boni boni jake livni write differ guerrilla warfar and terror primarili target enemi soldier primarili target civilian and not necessarili enemi civilan that comparison palestinean fighter primarili target tourist schoolchildren babi worshipp shopper movi goer and such threaten peopl earli zionist fighter such thing thi histor incorrect earli zionist fighter target civilian made random attack arab marketplac kill innoc passer your assert opposit attempt whitewash histori can read histori zionist terrorist good book start bowyer bell expert intern terror main interest irish terror author bell bowyer titl terror zion irgun zvai leumi lehi and palestin underground bowyer bell pub info york martin press descript leav plate ill map subject loham herut yisrael irgun tsevai leumi israel arab war jewish arab relat callno for complet arab thuggeri period rampant and target chiefli jewish civilian can opposit live and live jim eggertj atc mit edu jim eggert
talk.politics.mideast	freedom brown edu harri mamayski write mamayski propos forbid action serv promot moral incorrect action omit for breviti prefer freedom grant amend constitut arbitrari definit univers moral steve can elabor mail thi isn clear misspel your name steven berson ucla comput scienc depart steven ucla edu lo angel
talk.politics.mideast	deir yassin brown edu write articl apr virginia edu virginia edu thee nunneri write thi such bullshit deir yassin unprovok attack part jew and massacr defin opinion villag deir yassin had had pact jew peac pact irgun purpos broke thi agreement order scare palestinian grant that thi villag hous arm arab doubt noth archiv and literatur that thi motiv forc irgun deir yassin massacr part strategi intimid palestinian flee jewish homeland and contrari your belief civilian kill deir yassin advert jew perpetr get palestinian leav palestinian rightfulli scare not want anoth deir yassin not necessarili condemn israelit atroc aslo commit part arab israelophil care think that and good gui middl east arab and jew suck equal you that evid that motiv irgun attack dir yassin strateg import fact begin charg irgun wrote that dir yassin attack for militari signific dir yassin battl war liber peopl di thing never intend masacr that thi hapen tragedi war not crime irgun harri agre you harri you conced that arab terror tragedi war rememb that palestinian effect target civilian order irgun had attack civilian target terror order that obtain object don exclud irgun action british soldier terror british show sign favor compromis regard palestin and irgun and branch group made point kill young british recruit that mother and father back britain angri britain continu presenc palestin sound form terror and not remov arab terror not forget that irgun irgun branch group like kill jew not hardlin zionist cooper british reiter side screwi favor underdog thi case bit screw
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talk.politics.mideast	final solut for gaza articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write basic altern for gaza thi gaza you purpos separ west bank separ peopl and territori not you address gaza throw jew sea that basic make leav middl east and back russia europ usa etc mean continu list etc reason bring thi that middl eastern and west asian countri that fact add import element consider resolut arab israel conflict throw gazan into sea accord yitzhak rabin and that zionist you explain sea meant regard isra jew thi case for isra and palestinian come honor and fair don attempt settlement you not for that that mean north american tribe return land pre islam tribe back land islam invad saxon kick norman central and south american tribe kick spanish descend thier land and onc return land last possess find stole point cultur stole land previou occup each person live digniti countri freedom and equal wait you refer palestinian happen gaza personnali opt for altern you folk peopl choos altern and sinc you past perhap you initi thing present your vision resolut worri not paranioa worri and reson expect parti consid elia tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin
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talk.politics.mideast	freedom articl apr ucla edu steven surya ucla edu steven berson write brown edu harri mamayski write mamayski propos forbid action serv promot moral incorrect action omit for breviti prefer freedom grant amend constitut arbitrari definit univers moral societi imposs share set moral sens god and bad action and basic foundat univers steve can elabor mail thi isn clear misspel your name steven berson ucla comput scienc depart steven ucla edu lo angel tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin
talk.politics.mideast	deir yassin articl apr angel brown edu brown edu harri mamayski write articl martinb brise er umontr aurag er umontr aurag hassan write repli thi haven odd wierd poster left aren fascist arab extremist arab civilian die dir yassin massacr and admit troop carri and stupidli deposit testimoni archiv that effect villag hous arm troop sourc claim thi anymor you you name credibl historian assert thi that even begin decenc not claim thi secondli irgun and stern fighter had absolut intent kill civilian and thye intent kill men and women archiv rememb thi not hostil testimoni villag attack for militari signific fact warn occup villag leav attack begin sound van bog ditch warn ration standard dir yassin not massacr kill unintent and not massacr murder hundr unarm civilian had part fight surviv men local quarri and shot back head not intent yeah villag hous arab sniper and arab troop not you sourc for thi slander attack for militari signific not attack intent kill civilian men involv that intent kill men premedit mass murder noth even compar dir yassin arab di holocaust absurd that agre irgun not want kill civilian villag had almost inhabit surviv want kill inhabit and kill thi simpl resolv haganah soldier report massacr brought photograph report isra govern suppress govern labour govern sinc revisionist into power for reason likud didn releas report and pictur perhap you want happen you claim will pictur men shot head hand ti back women and children shot slept for reason not chanc clear name you reason for thi don you doubt fact exactli peopl respons claim premedit mass murder noth iraqi soldier fight ethnic cleans work joseph askew joseph askew gauch and proud autumn still pleiad jaskew spam math adelaid edu remot thorni desert fell grief disclaim sue care north tent sky end somwher brenda pale river murmur
talk.politics.mideast	dir yassin articl apr angel brown edu brown edu harri mamayski write myth and fact leonard davi east research inc great will post protocol elder zion unlik plo almost exclus focu civilian target thi time plo not exist and not for year you knew that didn you perhap you want add jewish civilian kill war opt for massacr deir yassin you greater eric silver guardian britain interview survivor mopham sammour testifi that popul kill talk thi man includ testimoni that harri natur not us myth and fact doubt ly harri reason econom that captur booti order maintain base had establish poor resourc main idea despit thi remain conquest villag forc arm unknown countri and turn point jewish militari oper yehuda lapidot jabontinski archiv testimoni apart militari discuss lehi put forward propos liqui date resid villag conquest order show arab happen izl and lehi set togeth oper and for anoth main reason great uproar land and import turn point battl clear aim break arab moral and rais somewhat moral jewish commu niti jerusalem had hit hard time time recenctli desecr jewish bodi fell into arab hand yehuda lapidot jabotinski archiv testimoni quot yisrael segal deir yassin file publish koteret rashit januari wasn holocaust lidic warn punish collect and inflict unarm innoc not come prison peopl and children differ opinion major for liquid men villag and forc that oppos whether peopl women children benzion cohen command attack deir yassin put word premedit murder you eyewit testimoni man command had prison and retreat decid liquid liquid wound not give aid place eighti arab prison kill had open fire and kill peopl give aid arab dress arab women found and start shoot women not hurri area prison concentr shoot prison wound warn hurri sound familiar you heard peopl place thing case zahran famili twenti surviv anoth hous caught sixteen year son fuad mother hold kill knife mother spent twenti year that mental hospit young woman and two year babi shot street bodi left move centr villag and start kill heard open door bomb grenad machin gun submachin gun cousin escap bullet hole cloth offic put machinegun window and start shoot outward kill move kill uncl ali hassan zeidan and aunt fatima heard call ran and kill anoth neighbour haj yarah heard voic and kill son muhammad seventeen heard father call and place kill mother heard son cry for ran and kill that hous thi muhammad arif sammour funni myth and fact not fit includ thi reliabl report casualti not actual event you thi harri exchang that men kill and dozen wound noon time battl and shoot had ceas calm villag had not surrend irgun and lehi men hide and began clean hous shot women and children includ command not and stop massacr plead command order men ceas fire avail meantim twenti arab had load truck and driven mahan yehuda and zichron yosef end drive quarri bvetween deir yassin and givat shaul and murder cold blood meir interview yediot ahronot joseph askew gauch and proud autumn still pleiad jaskew spam math adelaid edu remot thorni desert fell grief disclaim sue care north tent sky end somwher brenda pale river murmur
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talk.politics.mideast	israel apartheid state center for polici research cpr igc apc org write anti israel rant delet father russian pol yevreya poltara anitsemita roughli translat half jew anti semit and half davidsson mean
talk.politics.mideast	israel apartheid state center for polici research cpr igc apc org write sabri jiryi arab israel monthli review press york kayyali zionism imperi and racism croom helm london write arab english and american scholar abdeen jabara respons state israel intern commit arab studi quarterli spring summer ilan halevi zionism todai arab studi quarterli spring summer rosel tekin jewish nation statu basi for institution racism israel intern organis for elimin form racial discrimin eaford washington mallison and salli mallison zionist organ jewish agenc intern and law judaism zionism differ for middl east zed book london john quiglei palestin and israel challeng justic duke univers press durham uri davi israelu zionist societi consequ for intern opposit and necess for extern intervent judaism zionism differ for middl east zed book london scan davidsson bibliographi kind object sourc
talk.politics.mideast	deir yassin virginia edu thee nunneri write harri not uninform irgun terrorist activ give you quot book charl smith palestin and arab isra conflict palestin and arab isra conflict sound interest begin direct irgun bomb civilian that civilian instal link mandatori author not militari site thi mislead suppos charl smith character bomb king david hotel civilian instal instal attack etzel link sort offici function mandatori govern and lehi splinter group includ such notabl isra yitzak shamir lehi fighter for freedom israel resum assassin british offici civilian and militari kind civilian assum charl smith mean complet innoc peopl intention target provid exampl and dair yassin men woman and children kill perhap for strateg reason happen aggress pact hagana refer for that you blatant scare tactic that begin admit scare palestinian arab refer revolt lo angel nice strawman revolt begin state that myth massacr deir yassin had effect scare arab into flee claim that thi result specif polici etzel happen not intend arab call for palestinian leav and fear war start arab hand had greater effecton arab migrat deir yassin fact jewish terrorist group manag scare arab nice us cap effect sourc includ american diplomat offici greatest encourag for arab leav villag arab leader thi matter semant you that hagana thi for war not that palestinian conflict isn equat war israel never state hagana activ lost histori categor tewrror for not identifi state thi harri sincer palestinian discrimin thi case perhap think bogu stuff ponder and ramiro
talk.politics.mideast	dir yassin articl apr angel brown edu brown edu harri mamayski write myth and fact leonard davi east research inc unlik plo almost exclus focu civilian target troup irgun and stern group that struck deir yassin april target villag for militari import deir yassin road jerusalem arab had blockad and hous iraqi troup and palestinian irregular sniper base deir yassin constant threat jewish citizen jerusalem arab civilian kill deir yassin that attack not conform propaganda pictur that arab paint number arab kill gener report eric silver guardian britain interview survivor mopham sammour testifi that popul kill dai massacr sammour explain repres each clan deir yassin met moslem offic jerusalem and made list peopl had not found aliv name noth happend sinc make thi figur wrong unlik plo deliber attack civilian kill civilian deir yassin not premedit attack left open escap corridor villag and resid left unharm thi remind bosnia and ethnic cleans tippu remain arab feign surrend and fire jewish troop attack kill arab soldier and civilian indiscrimin independ observ told guardian that bodi found arab men disguis women
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talk.politics.mideast	zionism racism apr nysernet org astein nysernet org alan stein wrote session dc witsend tnet write steve let zionism assum that you mean hear you weren listen told you zionism racism thi tautolog statement you confus tautolog fals and mislead you that didn express dialog zionism racism zionism you weren listen you word statement defin zionism discours redund session speak for note network address dc witsend tnet author and tmail do mail new shell
talk.politics.mideast	freedom apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer wrote jaa cunixa columbia edu write dear beyer never wise confus freedom speech freedom racism and violent deragatori unfortun that fail understand thi crucial distinct fact speach not offens protect freedom speach law useless speach that find question that protect religi blasphem inher racist civil discours and not scare tactic that can enlighten that perceiv ignor that idea freedom express you find offens perceiv truth and find offens your belief free exchang idea and insult case thi channel that can chang anoth er wai that jefferson that not afraid toler error long reason left combat thi mean that you volunt wade mutlu argic delug that come dai tire drag into content free piss contest reflex bigot intens dislik stuck let thi crap pass comment unremark and repli and get suck perspect imho josh polici forward garbag question comment relev sysadmin strike good balanc stuff publish public forum that site matter confidenti copyright local administr that not twist arm session speak for note network address dc witsend tnet author and tmail do mail new shell
talk.politics.mideast	final solut for gaza igc apc org cpr igc apc org center for polit reflux wrote pseudo letterhead delet dc isra jew fete upris warsaw ghetto repress violent mean upris gaza ghetto and attempt starv gazan detect faint scent bia isra aren feast perhap gazan aren starv gaza strip thi tini area land highest popul densiti world hadn realiz that chines had wipe hong kong that singapor had sunk into sea that citi had vanish that thi tast qualiti research cut world for week suppos that footag cnn last night archiv and ted turner fake nbc style thi anoth wee exagger for sake greater truth isra occupi decid punish popul gaza peopl deni leav strip and seek work israel hei you forgot that israel deni syrian come mexico deni that evan write thi you gentli suggest that israel unlik countri earth shouldn allow control traffic across border polish jew risk live save jew ghetto isra jew risk life gazan resist gazan isra jew dozen peopl humanitarian assist thi sound parallel isn pole into ghetto join jew oop for moment forgot that poland humanitarian assist you kill come humanitarian assist gazan can isra kill that gaza like gazan death squad your offic parallel sinc gross number aren proportion us gazan jewish initi popul gazan jewish death rate gazan jew surviv year occup isra nazi attack resist isra pole charg aid victim sinc two case compar shouldn matter pick contrari popular hyperbol idf quit easili kill entir popul gaza hour want not exagger and don want discuss note that million dead gazan don headlin space dozen and forgotten and onc extermin can pop headlin final solut for gaza realpolitik standpoint doesn israel for difficult question answer for can good jew and forc fit fact into theori session speak for note network address dc witsend tnet author and tmail do mail new shell
talk.politics.mideast	rejoind question isra previou articl ohayon jcpltyo jcpl tsiel ohayon agre you write that terrorist org not shell israel golan height lebanon golan height held israel sinc and plo not shell israel not awar oop small mistak for mention read israel line that villag shell terrorist last week and children kill guess terrorist secur zone shell happen secur zone weren steve internet freenet carleton fidonet mossad qube ocunix opinion not associ includ head
talk.politics.mideast	israel apartheid state not quit arab citizen right jew arab exempt militari servic that arab full voic isra polit degre that choos involv vote arab cabinet claim that israel apartheid state racist claim base total disregard for fact and total hatr for israel
talk.politics.mideast	zionism articl apr da harvard edu adam endor adam shostack write articl iqc cmu edu anwar cmu edu anwar moham write organ distribut nazi propaganda you attempt ration thi crude stereotyp point wtc bomb arab american had involv huh moham salimeh perhap korean you claim arab american had involv wtc bomb involv alleg fbi doesn reliabl dai honestli pile evid point and involv thi not mean that arab american involv blame for deni that arab american involv sound sorta silli adam don suspect american not arab american brad hernlem hernlem chess ncsu edu
talk.politics.mideast	israel expans eeb kimbark uchicago edu write articl apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer write jew that strand polish border sinc countri accept arab strand lebenes border trial hear expuls base guilt due race not due race due membership organ public proclaim destroi state expel and kill larg segment citizen that state base race that isra govern claim trial held kei thing free countri
talk.politics.mideast	stage set tauru np navi mil mukut alioth np navi mil devadatta mukutmoni write articl qpr world std tti world std joachim martillo write heap similarli malaysia found origin sin support for axi and anti chines racism part intellectu oppos heritag enlighten thi strang target for martillo malaysia fulli vindic sinc shed coloni yoke legitim econom success stori success not dramat japan and singapor nevertheless fulli vindic advoc anglo coloni ludicr for malaysia suppos you will advoc recolon china experienc greatest sustain econom boom histori mankind you present dai england posit set stage for colon will lucki can intact assist and proper agreement redeploy british and french coloni empir not hard primit world elit resist and incit resist delud brainwash and essenti enslav popul iraq treatment dream problem even deploi ground troop bosnia public opinion dictat that loss live even miniscul quantiti cannot toler rich countri thi wierd you come arm forc paid basic accept risk dy that danger remov view welfar grand scale that exactli public iraqi oper lead extraordinari low level casualti thi anomali combin iraqi incompet and desert terrain futur oper lead casualti for exampl bomb beirut lead death desert storm you that scum nehru ask whether vast major indian british local rule nehru driven crude desir for power nation vehicl indian nationalist persuad lot poor delud fool die order give small elit power exploit indian you inform that rest not awar imposs draw such outrag conclus devadatta santo francoi peter mustafa huanghua mukutmoni that cool had smae kind name world place jave name fetish
talk.politics.mideast	isra destruct mosqu jerusalem articl bec new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write thi issu for and your present refer won resolv thi issu that oppos your insist that mosqu destroi even your locat thi refer you spend your quot deal incid that abhorr noth issu hand end quot almost hand comment that two mosqu destroi support claim thi natur author support thi incid identifi mosqu destroi identifi name and address steet locat comment report make thi happen mean prove doubt that isra author order destruct mosqu vicin wail wall that not mean that onc can gener thi point entir plaza mosqu and clear make for jew place worship place that holiest and had deni for millenia hand rest jerusalem and israel knowledg isra author scrupul avoid damag islam religi site thi contrast polici previou regim destroi jewish synagogu hate and bigotri jack love opinion express mine alon you happen agre
talk.politics.mideast	mosqu jewish quarter isra destruct eggertj mose mit edu eggertj mose mit edu jim eggert write import note that remain mosqu jewish quarter citi map you find north hurva synagogu thi mosqu thi mosqu built squatter jerusalem coupl year ago guid told stori that mosqu not true appar built jewish convert islam had had disput neighbour and built mosqu davka annoi cute stori not true david skoll
talk.politics.mideast	israel apartheid state articl colorado edu perlman qso colorado edu eric perlman write that zionism form racism mean not fact that nacion specif idea support form defin jew and accomplish goal noth hypocrisi hypocrisi dealt your argument histori thi net suffic you haven succeed convinc lack basi not want convinc thi usenet not real world read opinion subject and sometim present opinion that thi net exchang idea never want want convinc you want deal peopl that fine condemn movement noth jewish nation and never that you quit liter that racist that jew your peopl ad state homeland nation you don agre that suggest you read dictionari your interpret plain inconsist that dictionari definit modern histori and repeat never that idea jew state racist zionism movement that idea that zionism defin jew for exampl racist that irish nation not support bomb and kill ira that jew nation not support zionism you wrong you you wrong zionism monolith never approach zionism widespread ideolog hashom hatzair and meir kahan approach racist kahan for approach zionism defin goal differ and defin approach goal singl common belief that jew nation earth deserv homeland period that make basi for zionist movement not that rest long zionism consid for exampl jew jewish state base religion will zionism form racism you isra jew secular word religi and don even make interest point peopl live jewish state shown that jewish cultur includ jewish religion not jewish peopl live jewish state shown that problem state peopl secular judaism defin religi standard marriag religi stage law return defin jew religi standard isra not god and will never becom jew defin jew base religi definit hypocrisi support zionism and disregard determin palestinian peopl and struggl reach you want that place you you your word word your word normal dictionari definit quit obviou that you us dictionari rest english speak world and that you base your analysi misconcept webster ninth collegi dictionari merriam webster inc publish springfield massachusett page poc feign nnot not that believ zionism simpl matter peopl nation disregard palestinian peopl thi dictionari hypocrisi you interest directli come label hypocrat send mail aap wam umd edu and can exchang idea learn your word mean for onc stand word mean stand zionism form racism tend talk thing and not defin broad sens eric perlman perlman qso colorado edu center for astrophys and space astronomi univers colorado boulder aap
talk.politics.mideast	apolog anisa publicli apolog anisa aldoubosh for plai anisa not that feel remors you and anoth muslim ladi hanan ashrawi attempt charm west into forget you not that hate muslim hate thing you and and depress ponder prospect for peac wiev held your peopl not that you prejudic and vice west you your view depress fallen temptat teas and make fun and problem mobil remors regard jen peter reu christensen associ professor phil depart mathemat mail reu math univers copenhagen universitetsparken phone copenhagen fax disclaim explicitli state messag thi signatur author pure privat respons motto for will and will abund not even will matthew principl matth
talk.politics.mideast	dicknos profil szwilso chip ucdavi edu write adam shostack adam endor even point your articl flame felt point that lion share foreign aid germani station hunder thousand troop for year german kick econom collect ass monei that israel miniscul compar germani evas comparison troop station germani anywher world not foreign aid numbnut you you not closet holocaust revisionist adam suggest for you write your congressman senat and for offici definit foreign aid and recipi such israel top heap matter you twist truth don you pull your head your ass and into realiti deal your subject line you that you funni develop sens humor you surpris you cage don not talk offici definit foreign aid and talk monei spent monei spent station troop germani pai troop maintain base and equip etc israel israel not send troop fight battl you amount monei spent defend korean ship lane norwai and troubl spot world you will that aid israel practic standpoint not that and israel get assum bui your feebl argument your point you not want subsid israel you two option start your campaign elect presid and forc congress cut aid israel fuck you don thi countri oper and can chang move iran love
talk.politics.mideast	address turkish genocid apolog turkish histor revis auto scribal residu zuma sera zuma serdar argic post sourc adventur east rawlinson jonathan cape bedford squar london publish page memoir british offic wit armenian genocid million muslim peopl bull second paragraph had receiv definit inform horror that had commit armenian soldieri kar plain and had judg want disciplin treatment detach parti had wire tifli zivin that interest human armenian not left independ command moslem popul troop disciplin and not effect control atroc constantli commit for justic eventu held moral respons page copi rawlinson book find facsimil note word armenian doesn even adventur east dispos for journei foresaw becom headquart for consider time and troubl make habit had peculiar locomot origin built america for russian govern adapt burn wood oil cover truck men quarter similar fit for and railwai offic and truck carri wood car utmost small engin pull thi small outfit start rumour kind reach departur indic that situat rapidli come head evid that turk and restiv face inexplic delai alli reach definit decis regard futur travel thi war time railwai experi and carri gaug and test rail frequent for place ow sink embank and wash ballast rail requir rectif train even foot pace each bridg quir elabor examin adventur train and eventu oblig carri larg baulk tim ber temporarili shore bridg and culvert whilst pass circumst imagin that prog ress mean rapid and had frequent halt replenish suppli wood fuel consid had achiev wonder even second dai hour and mile erzeroum final enter gorg mountain understood worst troubl lie thi gorg into road erzeroum kar descend foot hill cross frontier railwai follow main ara river val lei till frontier gorg enter whilst road cut corner and join rail frontier post zivin mile main vallei enter gorg confront fall rock ton fallen cliff face and obliter railwai track halt and send engin back prepar david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia not learn lesson center for region studi anatolia and forgotten box punish inflict cambridg late turkish presid turgut ozal
talk.politics.mideast	stage set articl sqco iid ucdavi edu hamlet ucdavi edu write read plenti categor remark claim arriv restor colonialismo defin colonialismo coloni countri remain that restor make pakistan come ambit econom coloni util rate electr water and ga set imf and world bank govern come and whim and fanci state depart pakistani govt surviv that doesnot support state depart
talk.politics.mideast	stage set articl sqco iid ucdavi edu hamlet ucdavi edu write read plenti categor remark claim arriv restor colonialismo defin colonialismo coloni countri remain that restor make leav question and answer question noo todai exampl restor that clinton administr ask establish polic forc for haiti didn hear thing that that current govt haiti ask for real preced bar somalia for get involv intern conflict that answer question neo coloni countri diffus lot secur council and stab coloni defin articl read entail natur trusteeship sec council democraci aid educ free market free press and for colonialist assur that civil countri that left note don support thi ideal concept simpli lot hogwash sriniva sunder sunder crhc uiuc edu univers illinoi share view surpris aren that smart gener
talk.politics.mideast	israel apartheid state articl colorado edu perlman qso colorado edu eric perlman write articl slo cvill srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu alberto adolfo pinka write not want convinc thi usenet not real world read opinion subject and sometim present opinion that thi net exchang idea never want want convinc fine your opinion isn convinc and get refut regularli fact case isn like that your opinion revis not want convic opinion convinc not that opinion refut fact and repeat never that idea jew state racist zionism movement that idea word utter and complet hors puckei term dictionari youi view dictionari problem thing accept mean word dictionari and sometim complet thing that word mean long time that zionism defin jew for exampl racist you defin and you wrong uniform thi definit zionist movement you thi case point net directli you and you continu maintain thi delus peopl zionist movement defin jew and defin jew base religi that irish nation not support bomb and kill ira that jew nation not support zionism compar action israel that ira compar chile pinochet for exampl ira role pinochet you your histori straight you basic dictionari you start read answer point that movement claim nationalist not mean that nationalist not comapr israel ira that you start put word mouth and that wrong stuff delet pinka statement respond below assert that zionism uniform and monolith never that zionism monolith you attribut thing present quot that that make basi for zionist movement not that rest word don you your word stori sinc not base fact innuendo and misrepresent that your problem interpret thi you run argument you put word mouth you you make interest point peopl live jewish state shown that jewish cultur includ jewish religion not jewish peopl live jewish state shown that problem state peopl secular judaism defin religi standard marriag religi stage law return defin jew religi standard doesn law return demand that religi even becom citizen israel thereund don you read for chang that law return demand person religi law return defin jew and not that religi standard your mother jew you jew your mother not jewish you not twist word true debat israel and abroad jew debat religi and secular you that religi peopl not that you deni free speech not talk debat talk thing debat happen thing you thing understand that israel differenci citizenship and nation suppos al and emal child israel nation will child show each case and jewish jewsh and not muslim and jewish christian and jewish and jewish isra not god and will never becom jew defin jew base religi definit call histori you jew stuck togeth pogrom for millenia europ had for that chang order and that patrilin descent legit matrilin not religi jew point view plenti room for that zionism you call histori point not webster ninth collegi dictionari merriam webster inc publish springfield massachusett page poc feign nnot not that believ zionism simpl matter peopl nation disregard palestinian peopl thi dictionari hypocrisi utter balonei palestinian determin state thi net and you interest you had talk you thi and forgotten that that determin cannot israel expens israel secur come and that secur maintain you twist word belief you that that definit mean thi context you grade english definit you talk not you touchi never that you not support palestinian determin gave exampl hypocrisi never that thi net guilti exampl noth noth that you clarifi you you didn us mean word dictionari you believ you problem you that word mean dictionari second come shock for you that word dictionari can exchang idea you want you come thi nonsens believ definit dictionari that you cannot answer idea insult sad your fact resembl even slightest bit truth not you believ you not put word mouth that you start read had you come and twist present thing never had thi you answer that you not find believ you start read had and not you ad you chang your mind fact that noth resembl fact you thi thread and fact that you definit for your word base balonei noth resembl fact you ad had seconf suppos mean eric perlman perlman qso colorado edu center for astrophys and space astronomi univers colorado boulder aap
talk.politics.mideast	liar profil shostack freeman death articl colorado edu perlman qso colorado edu eric perlman write eric perlman perlman qso colorado edu your post make good case studi for unasham misanthrop attempt enlighten pinka error wai and even polit ask you continu debat email you persist publicli lambast and label hypocryt your post not mine fit thi descript thing you enter thi newsgroup treat didn agre your opinion dirt not explain call rude name twist word for flame can defend quit pinka you noth you defend exchang idea usenet peopl never attack you put you defend not violent person and not can threaten opinion and idea express usenet ask you continu email not interest flamefest you chang word make your and present mine not worri you not defend not attack you time you make such comment basic civil and you thi good advic for nuff eric perlman perlman qso colorado edu center for astrophys and space astronomi univers colorado boulder alberto pinka aap wam umd edu umail umd edu
talk.politics.mideast	isra press articl benali alcor benali alcor concordia ilyess bdira write cleveland freenet edu mark ira kaufman write for your inform israel sinc read american media and isra media can absolut certainti that reliesx exclus american press for knowledg israel not true pictur you never read arab media read arab isra jer post and thi network jerusalem post small part isra media that cater outsid for part you never read aretz maariv hebrew langaug paper articl translat you not get isra media and western american french and british report and can that give israel and arab bia scale you can switch polar isra newspap will american lead newspap and new rang inlcud left lean that isra isra that station such pb run show not depict isra standpoint that intifada coverag and saddamn gass kurd thousand montreal suburban local free newspap closer kahan view isra wing newspap british montreal read suburban advoc kahan stupid expel arab racist suburban columnist that explain isra standpoint noth kahan case suburban paper minor local distribut and influenc rang neutral french that iknow rang afro french magazin arab offici media rang egyptian not want overdo and stir peopl israel and sinc noth claim that isra paper bias lean left media america report event peopl noth choos form opinion israel and mideast base knowledg averag american reli exclus american media not report event mideast consist accuraci averag bia you read that averag american not read read york time and similar new maker and read rel bias newspap you not sourc closest thing ishai
talk.politics.mideast	stop cross post not and repeat not cross post subject soc cultur iranian jew support serb arab leader and bosnia hizballah bosnia stage set that bigotri and hate reach quota for year year behzad
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talk.politics.mideast	final solut for gaza articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write basic altern for gaza throw jew sea that basic make leav middl east and back russia europ usa etc throw gazan into sea accord yitzhak rabin and that zionist rabin such implement for isra and palestinian come honor and fair don attempt settlement each person live digniti countri freedom and equal personnali opt for altern you folk elia opt for ish
talk.politics.mideast	israel apartheid state articl colorado edu perlman qso colorado edu eric perlman write word utter and complet hors puckei term dictionari let into thi dictionari ism intern movement orig for establish jewish nation religi commun palestin and for support modern israel not support establish nation base religi principl support establish nation base cultur ident question for answer point long time ago polit men import distiguish and mother jewish and father appli for law return jew return land famili expel year ago back nation show decid back land rel had expel year ago convert religion can appli law return member jewish nation appli mother jewish nation show case chang dai and dai convert loos part jewish nation suppos want marri current wife jewish israel situat chang decid back israel convert islam question that peopl countri not care polit want left alon suppos father arab suppos born palestin place part israel suppos that father and grandfath gener born that place suppos war independ and father scare fight famili place secur peopl speak languag understand worship god suppos that that place arab countri and suppos that war and that countri creat father us live and that that countri call israel and that that countri jew world receiv and that peopl famili left thet countri gener ago reciev and grant full citizenship decid back father land born gener famili born back and recogn return year final peopl defin jew that irrelev not talk defin jew peopl zionist organ and import israel defin jew zionist defin jew eric perlman perlman qso colorado edu center for astrophys and space astronomi univers colorado boulder aap
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talk.politics.mideast	ralli for bosnia washington saturdai announc bosnia task forc usa yusuf islam cat steven london and muhammad ali heavyweight champion will grand marshal washington ralli saturdai twenti twenti thousand expect march demand end genocid bosnia ralli will begin lafayett park front white hous largest plan ralli muslim america bosnia task forc usa call muslim usa hold ralli usa muslim mile radiu request come washington for ralli front white hous ralli will start sharp front white hous and will march capitol hill request lafayett park noon big ralli person expect particip york target buse peopl texa and arizona come never washington histori muslim march you readi for thi histor event call you bring ralli demand recogn genocid natur milosev regim and aggress lift arm embargo bosnian govern provid bosnian govern arm for defenc us nato air power enforc will and conscienc world commun serbia begin war crime tribun immedi you not part solut you part problem member bosnia task forc usa isna icna ministri imam deen moham nation commun bosnia action committe chicago majli shura york american muslim council michigan islam council balkan muslim associ phone fax interest put end genocid commit bosnia join thi ralli religi associ
talk.politics.mideast	israel apartheid state articl qek cvill srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu alberto adolfo pinka write articl colorado edu perlman qso colorado edu eric perlman write articl slo cvill srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu alberto adolfo pinka write not want convinc thi usenet not real world read opinion subject and sometim present opinion that thi net exchang idea never want want convinc fine your opinion isn convinc and get refut regularli fact case isn like that your opinion revis not want convic opinion convinc not that opinion refut fact you haven pai attent argument level and will and repeat never that idea jew state racist zionism movement that idea word utter and complet hors puckei term dictionari youi view dictionari problem thing accept mean word dictionari and sometim complet thing that word mean long time hei you dictionari for you quit good dictionari and you that zionism defin jew for exampl racist you defin and you wrong uniform thi definit zionist movement you thi case point net directli you and you continu maintain thi delus peopl zionist movement defin jew and defin jew base religi don that data exist thi directli that irish nation not support bomb and kill ira that jew nation not support zionism compar action israel that ira compar chile pinochet for exampl ira role pinochet you your histori straight you basic dictionari you start read answer point that movement claim nationalist not mean that nationalist not comapr israel ira that you start put word mouth and that wrong that problem onc you defin zionism movement you impli that monolith you thi not and never case stuff delet pinka statement respond below assert that zionism uniform and monolith never that zionism monolith you attribut thing present quot that you don directli you impli and show explicitli and you impli you wriggl won wash and you that make basi for zionist movement not that rest word don you your word stori sinc not base fact innuendo and misrepresent that your problem interpret thi you run argument you put word mouth you you you not run argument make interest point peopl live jewish state shown that jewish cultur includ jewish religion not jewish peopl live jewish state shown that problem state peopl secular judaism defin religi standard marriag religi stage law return defin jew religi standard doesn law return demand that religi even becom citizen israel thereund don you read for chang that law return demand person religi law return defin jew and not that religi standard your mother jew you jew your mother not jewish you not twist word you that judaism defin religi standard thi can mean and you mean that can that religi defin jew anoth that meet religi definit jew and not twist your word make you awar that your word don mean you true debat israel and abroad jew debat religi and secular you that religi peopl not that you deni free speech not talk debat talk thing debat happen thing you thing understand that israel differenci citizenship and nation suppos al and emal child israel nation will child show each case doesn and citizen right exactli case and jewish jewish jewsh and not jewish muslim and jewish christian and jewish depend religion practic hous origin law return admit such person jewish memori serv and jewish not jewish isra not god and will never becom jew defin jew base religi definit call histori you jew stuck togeth pogrom for millenia europ had for that chang order and that patrilin descent legit matrilin not religi jew point view plenti room for that zionism you call histori point not that valid can webster ninth collegi dictionari merriam webster inc publish springfield massachusett page poc feign nnot not that believ zionism simpl matter peopl nation disregard palestinian peopl thi dictionari hypocrisi utter balonei palestinian determin state thi net and you interest you had talk you thi and forgotten that onc that determin cannot israel expens israel secur come and that secur maintain you twist word belief you that that definit mean thi context you grade english definit you talk you give absolut inconsist twist you put not you touchi never that you not support palestinian determin gave exampl hypocrisi you didn you had twist definit word degre order and not touchi never that thi net guilti exampl noth noth that you clarifi you you gave not exampl exampl definit word can twist degre you didn us mean word dictionari you believ you problem you that word mean dictionari dictionari for second come shock for you that word dictionari duh scientist technic term not found common dictionari thi term common hypocrisi good dictionari can regard authorit sourc can exchang idea you want you come thi nonsens believ definit dictionari not nonsens peopl read you write associ mean word dictionari give mean word don assum that you word you us mean you fact you mean dictionari you reader assign mean never had that you cannot answer idea insult sad not cannot abid utter bombast you proven complet wrong your fact resembl even slightest bit truth not you believ you not put word mouth that you start read had never put even syllabl your mouth you prove thi and you fail you come and twist present thing never had poppycock thi you answer that you not find believ you start read had and not you ad you chang your mind read you not add you simpli don that word don mean you cannot case sinc you proven wrong and you quit don defens argument present you twist mean fact that noth resembl fact you thi thread and fact that you definit for your word base balonei noth resembl fact you ad had noth resembl fact you never ad you sad model decorum and tranquil becom sport battleground for rival ideolog slug glee tim rice chess eric perlman perlman qso colorado edu center for astrophys and space astronomi univers colorado boulder
talk.politics.mideast	israel apartheid state articl smbma cvill srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu alberto adolfo pinka write decid back land rel had expel year ago convert religion can appli law return member jewish nation appli mother jewish not thi hope answer that you can appli law return convers you elect not part jewish nation chang dai and dai convert loos part jewish nation moment you convert you offici anounc world that you not part jewish nation jewish nation you member suppos father arab suppos born palestin place part israel suppos that father and grandfath gener born that place suppos war independ and father scare fight famili place secur peopl speak languag understand worship god suppos that that place arab countri and suppos that war and that countri creat father us live and that that countri call israel and that that countri jew world receiv and that peopl famili left thet countri gener ago reciev and grant full citizenship decid back father land born gener famili born back and recogn return year result war brought arab jew attempt annihil israel arab lost claim land attack israel illeg and pai price feel for palestinian blame arab nation for problem not israel adam schwartz adam robot berkelei edu
talk.politics.mideast	stage set sriniva suder write haitian peopl will that current govt thrown find get short cut process will hasten set bad preced can interfer not doorstep cuba precis not cuba not hatian rule thug and elect leader ask support reestablish peopl will democraci wish perfect whine thir parti turn coloni and poepl don find throw implicit assumpt that outsid sit judgement anoth peopl and act that root coloni attitud lie todai motiv nobl tomorrow not peopl commit genocid commit genocid want world crimin again human place hide you want special sovereignti design protect commit crime human and loos determin thi classic coloni edelmiro sala
talk.politics.mideast	israel apartheid state articl colorado edu perlman qso colorado edu eric perlman write fine your opinion isn convinc and get refut regularli fact case isn like that your opinion revis not want convic opinion convinc not that opinion refut fact you haven pai attent argument level and will you present your opinion oppos mine fact youi view dictionari problem thing accept mean word dictionari and sometim complet thing that word mean long time hei you dictionari for you quit good dictionari and you give you hundr word mother tongu spanish that comonli us and you will never find dictionari even show you lot mean that word spanish dictionari peopl zionist movement defin jew and defin jew base religi don that data exist thi directli and guess isn curiou that not peopl defin wai term jew basi movement evid show that jew consid term israel law return and jewish nation defin term religion and not cultur ident even defin jew isreal not religi that irish nation not support bomb and kill ira that jew nation not support zionism compar action israel that ira compar chile pinochet for exampl ira role pinochet you your histori straight you basic dictionari you start read answer point that movement claim nationalist not mean that nationalist not comapr israel ira that you start put word mouth and that wrong that problem onc you defin zionism movement you impli that monolith you thi not and never case that problem that not support zionism that peopl soviet communist parti even had inspir nobl ideal that chang final result happen ussr even zionist movement not homogen not matter matter result never that zionism monolith you attribut thing present quot that you don directli you impli and show explicitli and you impli you wriggl won wash and you never directli indirectli not talk individu defin zionist good honest and care peopl talk result zionist movement talk movement action result law return religi definit jew countri that defin nation base religion talk form racism such differenci base religi belief arab israel cannot serv armi becasu not born religion you that judaism defin religi standard thi can mean and you mean that can that religi defin jew anoth that meet religi definit jew and not twist your word make you awar that your word don mean you had never heard definit religi defin jew had definit person jew mother jew and such person not convert had peopl argu last part not talk debat talk thing debat happen thing you thing understand that israel differenci citizenship and nation suppos al and emal child israel nation will child show each case doesn and citizen right exactli case differ citizenship and nation israel you mean doesn and jewish jewish jewsh and not jewish muslim and jewish christian and jewish depend religion practic hous origin law return admit such person jewish memori serv follow religi definit and not cultur that call form racism not you touchi never that you not support palestinian determin gave exampl hypocrisi you didn you had twist definit word degre order and not touchi you not assum represent make your point you assum that you talk for stuff that exampl valid hypocrisi that support nation for and support zionism and disregard palestinian never that thi net guilti exampl noth noth that you clarifi you you gave not exampl exampl definit word can twist degre exampl you justifi talk you that word mean dictionari dictionari for refer not nonsens peopl read you write associ mean word dictionari give mean word don not languag that evolv time that you cannot answer idea insult sad not cannot abid utter bombast you proven complet wrong not post anoth post definit zionism and thi post you show for tell you begin zionism form racism even zionist not racist individu and privat life movement that for state and nation right for peopl and practic that peopl defin religion for racist never put even syllabl your mouth you prove thi and you fail you time care noth resembl fact you never ad you you differ opinion and fact eric perlman perlman qso colorado edu center for astrophys and space astronomi univers colorado boulder aap
talk.politics.mideast	stage set articl tzz ucdavi edu hamlet ucdavi edu write sriniva suder write haitian peopl will that current govt thrown find get short cut process will hasten set bad preced can interfer not doorstep cuba precis not cuba not hatian rule thug and elect leader ask support reestablish peopl will delv level deeper democraci tribal mean govt presid georgia elect thump major and boot object similarli peopl algeria elect islam fundemantalist parti into power junta declar illeg case person problem outcom voic peopl that hallow thing that world commun claim rever isn interf democraci wish perfect whine thir parti turn coloni and poepl don find throw exactli point that will inevit turn that and can save ourselv lot pain and troubl simpli let peopl sort problem coloni intervent even haiti haven work past had coup invad and left almost year had intend success haiti todai and past year and decid for success long rememb didn last long implicit assumpt that outsid sit judgement anoth peopl and act that root coloni attitud lie todai motiv nobl tomorrow not peopl commit genocid commit genocid peopl defens arm bosnian haitian revolutionari problem that cross that line and attempt arrang boundari govt etc vanc owen plan such piec insan want world crimin again human place hide you want special sovereignti design protect commit crime human and loos determin thi classic coloni final state point differ coloni can good side you state remov thug lord powerless peopl worri that bad side will assert and prepar natur forc that will mean can avoid bad side coloni sriniva sunder sunder crhc uiuc edu univers illinoi share view surpris aren that smart gener
talk.politics.mideast	isra destruct mosqu jerusalem articl eggertj mose mit edu eggertj mose mit edu jim eggert write and articl cbnewsj att avr cbnewsj att adam reed write read histori book deal thi period good and bad and that miss two read document raze mosqu that thi remark claim requir specif document jake disrespectfulli demand and adam requir specif document raze mosqu jerusalem had read for such document for forget newcom refer for post refer not read and post request for refer jim articl cross post soc cultur jewish alleg jewish disrespect for object and build religion antisemit stereotyp that permeat western cultur and rumor church and host desacr caus pogrom blood libel stereotyp that pervad cultur creat cognit illus that reifi stereotyp claim that appear reifi stereotyp treat decent peopl utmost suspicion and document such claim cross post new group not document such refer time appear that claim document regard episod disgust and shame offici fail provid proper temporari facil for evict jordanian jewish and jew that adam reed att
talk.politics.mideast	israel apartheid state articl pasteur berkelei edu adam bellini berkelei edu adam schwartz write articl smbma cvill srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu alberto adolfo pinka write decid back land rel had expel year ago convert religion can appli law return member jewish nation appli mother jewish not thi hope answer that you can appli law return convers you elect not part jewish nation point convert anoth religion not loos cultur ident loos religi identif that defin belong nation that claim state base religi belief form racism chang dai and dai convert loos part jewish nation moment you convert you offici anounc world that you not part jewish nation jewish nation you member part not jeish nation defin cultur and not religion atheist fact convert into jewish term religion consid part jewish nation can proud jewish cultur not give import jewish religion even can proud jewish cultur convinc that real god anoth not lost memebership american nation chang god suppos father arab suppos born palestin place part israel suppos that father and grandfath gener born that place suppos war independ and father scare fight famili place secur peopl speak languag understand worship god suppos that that place arab countri and suppos that war and that countri creat father us live and that that countri call israel and that that countri jew world receiv and that peopl famili left thet countri gener ago reciev and grant full citizenship decid back father land born gener famili born back and recogn return year result war brought arab jew attempt annihil israel arab lost claim land attack israel illeg and pai price feel for palestinian blame arab nation for problem not israel that never confuss action state individu happen live that not blame isra for human right violat israel not that assum that arab guilti action arab state peopl fled home scare suffer for not respons and rememb that told point end diaspora and not for not want adam schwartz adam robot berkelei edu alberto pinka aap wam umd edu umail umd edu
talk.politics.mideast	isra destruct mosqu jerusalem articl eggertj mose mit edu eggertj mit edu write articl boni boni jake boni boni jake livni write not awar such incid ask you document your accus repeat request nai demand that you substanti your accus desist spew baseless eggert blabber and articl cbnewsj att avr cbnewsj att adam reed write read histori book deal thi period good and bad and that miss two read document raze mosqu that thi remark claim requir specif document jake disrespectfulli demand and adam requir specif document raze mosqu jerusalem had read for such document for forget newcom refer read for and you write articl eggertj mose mit edu you wrote for balanc perhap you mention mosqu jerusalem that raze isra victori ey for ey guess your statment balanc arab atroc note singl incid isra war time holi site you even character ey for ey you wrote that fals you read your histori you will learn that war victori isra decid raze section newli captur east jerusalem wail wall thi section that mosqu raze you find sourc that note that mosqu raze you thi episod exampl good govern run amok newli acquir power you feel that isra compar run amok power iraqi your ey for ey comparison don match realiti that familiar quot west bank stori page night june isra offic march door door thi happen war and fierc and mighti war you that jordanian indiscrimin shot ancient structur custom describ bullet hole wall citi thi war not ey for ey characterst isra not harbor feel reveng arab gener thi reason that peac movement exist israel and jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	liar profil shostack freeman death articl colorado edu perlman qso colorado edu eric perlman write articl ucdavi edu szwilso chip ucdavi edu write that your opinion your militari budget definit foreign aid foreign aid send annual israel easili multipli six depend figur you million hard earn taxpay dollar cost arm forc roughli salari for averag man woman uniform take time actual salari amount support worker for roughli soldier station germani billion dollar annual cost aid israel personnel not even count spent local worker and equip you begin scratch surfac you militari equip cost last time you bui mil spec hammer coffe pot toilet seat pai israel dirti work put american soldier live line cheaper uncl sam arrang rest world jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	isra destruct mosqu jerusalem articl eggertj mose mit edu eggertj mit edu write articl rspz new cso uiuc edu eshneken cso uiuc edu edward shnekendorf write import note that remain mosqu jewish quarter citi map you find north hurva synagogu thi mosqu photo minaret thi mosqu built squatter dunno compar thi treatment synagogu jewish quarter fell arab dominion synagogu burn mob and raze jordanian armi that comparison isra excel not perfect job maintain arab mosqu thi doesn sound ey for ey anymor chang your tune jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	mosqu jewish quarter isra destruct articl df dax df doe carleton david skoll write jerusalem coupl year ago guid told stori that mosqu not true appar built jewish convert islam had had disput neighbour and built mosqu davka annoi cute stori not true you stori explain presenc synagogu moslem quarter stori becom suspect realiti citi not neighborhood past pre israel jerusalem jew call moslem quarter postal and telephon directori that time prove interest hear arab claim that hous store famili for centuri even clear photo and document that show jewish own busi locat decad ago jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	israel apartheid state articl smllm cvill srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu alberto adolfo pinka write articl pasteur berkelei edu adam bellini berkelei edu adam schwartz write point convert anoth religion not loos cultur ident loos religi identif that defin belong nation that claim state base religi belief form racism part not jeish nation defin cultur and not religion atheist fact convert into jewish term religion consid part jewish nation can proud jewish cultur not give import jewish religion even can proud jewish cultur convinc that real god anoth not lost memebership american nation chang god alberto you repeatedli misunderstood post you make exact point that made time definit religion you don not religi aspect judaism jew thi confin judaism religion sens christian convert judaism don mean not believ god judaism mean voluntarili remov jewish nation agnost jewish cultur heritag admit that religi jew argu that not complet jewish lack faith judaism religion dissent and debat isn fact that can opt becom jewish simpli convert judaism make nation jewish peopl racist and open nation quota will onc make point defin member jewish nation religion not you religi belief not racism you come your incorrect conclus you us definit for religion you defin law return and you defin judaism adam schwartz
talk.politics.mideast	account anti armenian human right violat azerbaijan room for christian and finish armenian russian deposit karin borisovna melkumian born teacher board school resid build apart block sumgait azerbaijan thi fate had happi famili and becom widow left rais children alon not two month born yerevan igor and had thought that girl call raisa mother law and boi call arsen igor grandfath had girl and igor name raisa honor dead grandmoth famili and melkumian had neighbor sinc igor and grew togeth friend childhood engag marri two children born sumgait daughter year name kristina and son seryozha and half happen februari that dai home work pass lenin squar peopl had gather komsomol member and pioneer children organ and parti member and parti peopl shout room for christian and finish armenian russian and even cri death armenian absurd rumor had circul town frighten home breathless and told had downtown famili couldn father law sogomon markovich melkumian wasn home azerbaijani wed clock return and had bare finish park car rear window smash rock car tell and longer govern that dai igor papa terribl happen citi and stai home will drive home dai pass februari that sundai didn call rel and ask kind question and thing even start smash car armenian neighbor build ira brother law wife and call polic wreck car call and call and nonetheless didn come and didn februari mondai even troop citi afraid work call school had kei classroom told senior teacher that send for kei wouldn come agre and even fine don come understand town don come that ambartsumian famili father law and uncl sergei broke window bad thing happen town uncl misha ambartsumian even ey chase nake girl street don leav town decid think dacha coupl bag togeth cloth food bare essenti and build manag and uncl sergei situat town bad don father even open and drive dacha safer wors you safer home don afraid happen send peopl save you left minut pass and peopl burst into courtyard home time igor and and two children ira and edik and daughter sister law ira and mother and father law and ambartsumian famili uncl misha zhasmen and daughter marina start break door rememb edik and igor told that room and close door close door and calm children won hear that home children start cry suddenli ira brother law wife suggest run balconi two daughter law and children and zhasmen and marina race balconi sister law and mother law ran and quick balconi kill you live second floor need cross balconi neighbor couldn manag balconi look street that time peopl come home work and stood watch plead and beg call come even start shout throw children throw you catch and children will surviv afraid don look watch movi start throw stone weren bandit peopl part build and entrywai regular peopl passersbi bu even stop rememb man voic armenian climb balconi ira sister law help children pregnant month pregnant wasn six and half climb zhasmen you don rememb that zhasmen and edik wife ira and had children and scream and cry kristina mamma don throw balconi afraid lilia cry and kristina and seryozha cry kristina didn even want climb shout stai grandmoth stai grandma love grandma love and mother law shout kristina save kristina ira help climb kristina come last ira help and back insid start pound neighbor balconi door pound fist sevil open door open didn open anywher not open door neighbor friend never refus and appar thought break window and open door open and karina karina anywher don stai kill you beg children leav back you leav son ran had knife sevil brother shout leav kill you thi knife terrifi children and entrywai and stair and heard loudspeak courtyard armenian kill place apart armenian blood flow surviv heard that upstair and start knock door open door for not floor fourth couldn zhasmen longer ira upstair even thought that had stai that save head spin kill famili and entrywai two children seryozha and kristina and half cry mamma scare frighten that didn even calm calm aw floor man open door ask open insid open door slightli and and that sternli floor pound fist door open man hous and stood readi knee almost knee beg you children wasn azerbaijani lezgin don even insid and zhasmen two minut hadn pass ira and lilia stair lilia cry didn want open door and start plead open door ira and lilia open door and afraid and open door look look for long time and open door ira lilia threw ourselv into each arm cry man lock into bathroom sat for long time door told calm children and calm calm thi man hide famili apart had sens that come thi aliv igor edik farewel and edik turn and look that kind joke thought kill igor look late start pound door igor stand door that had told lock that room and sit tight thought room balconi edik igor farewel igor didn climb balconi and and can save ourselv igor put helmet and edik had coat and put fur hat men igor edik father and misha ambartsumian stood door thought pound and leav side door order azerbaijani open door silent wait door home break door and rememb father law whisper break come had hand knife defend ourselv hall door two metal chair leg door count open quiet didn answer made home figur leav tire and leav father law had not come into home can that sumgait famili good term and dai not pass that wasn azerbaijani guest tabl had nice dacha togeth azerbaijani like had save ourselv had flee home ira rememb not leav brother and parent fight alongsid that pick knife and open door and come into apart fight alongsid famili not anywher sevil broke into apart heard fight and shout nois terribl and hid upstair floor lezgin apart you hear even ira voic rememb call mother time call for long time start pound door bathroom open door ira shout that ira shout that voic lezgin noth calm not your apart ly calm two hour and lezgin open door and karina igor calm ran igor break and run ey kill build bathroom experienc human terror ira shout shout save mamma save mamma mamma repeat time wild din peopl shout bellow howl whistl you can imagin roar appar had kill ira murder into entrywai hide and upstair floor don for armenian for for had climb balconi street that daughter law climb balconi and heard ira heard come stair entrywai and hammer door thought last moment and start good bye children kiss sleep woke kristina seryozha wake and ira ira happen throw ourselv balconi floor appar lezgin neighbor had open door open door and told armenian insid and left neighbor balconi weren friend lezgin neighbor knew each build peopl friend wouldn even hide lezgin bathroom had candl burn karina light block block dark block huge block lezgin afraid you morn afraid neighbor kill for save you you leav can leav children middl night give time find hide ask ira ira you want ira stai children karina fine zhasmen and downstair togeth dark courtyard dark pitch black afraid igor met work and accompani home never alon and middl night and slaughter that eleven call board school and director answer karina you didn call public phone and didn confus and hung receiv found time ask time don rememb zhasmen and into courtyard and appear person not apart and smell burnt horrifi look corps for long time ira edik zhasmen grab hand and squeez hurri hurri come you turn for turn and larg truck belong bandit kill truck that live entrywai and that truck fourth walk quickli hold hand thought polic put couldn count reach polic station militari vehicl and soldier block don kill peopl injur save and polic station and afraid afraid don afraid polic and wrote address and militari vehicl build didn left polic station gave address mother and brother that rescu didn had happen brought children and ira and lilia kgb that two morn citi parti committe and peopl pregnant and wear noth dress seryozha wear shirt and kristina had dress coat boot noth and sat for dai citi parti committe lezgin had told that igor escap and thought that aliv two and half dai armenian sumgait nasosni march peopl central committe and told karina ira you come citi parti committe mamma had come nasosni and had for for six dai mama brother and uncl citi parti committe and wait courtyard wear noth dress and ira had dress strong wind march hour and functionari told karina ira gather your courag you burial kill had long list and start read igor melkumian husband eduard melkumian brother law irina melkumian sister law sogomon melkumian father law and raisa melkumian mother law read name and car burial buri famili couldn time couldn conceiv imagin and even explain children older children attach father and grandfath and grandmoth kristina didn love love grandfath and grandmoth spoil kristina announc grandma even get us mother difficult for and onc told you bad grandmoth don ask kristina papa and kill understand and recent scold seryozha sever for and start shout papa come juli nairi board hous villag arzakan hrazdan district armenian ssr refer sumgait tragedi pogrom armenian soviet azerbaijan volum eyewit account edit samuel shahmuradian forward yelena bonner publish aristid caratza page david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia not learn lesson center for region studi anatolia and forgotten box punish inflict cambridg late turkish presid turgut ozal
talk.politics.mideast	isra destruct mosqu jerusalem bec new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock wrote articl eggertj mose mit edu eggertj mit edu write articl boni boni jake boni boni jake livni write not awar such incid and articl cbnewsj att avr cbnewsj att adam reed write read histori book deal thi period good and bad and that miss two read document raze mosqu that thi remark claim requir specif document for forget newcom refer refer base post origin book west bank stori rafik halabi york harcourt brace jovanovich origin titl die westbank stori quot west bank stori page night june isra offic march door door moghrabi quarter east jerusalem give resid hour notic evacu home particip juli meet group arab relgiou and polit figur protest immodest dress isra visit mosqu and destruct two mosqu moghrabi quarter adjac western wall thi issu for and your present refer won resolv thi issu that oppos your insist that mosqu destroi even your locat thi refer you spend your quot deal incid that abhorr noth issu hand end quot almost hand comment that two mosqu destroi tim you miss big sleight hand can accept word quot halabi and evid mosqu raze note that halabi refer not that mosqu raze that peopl protest alleg raze that thi common demagog tactic forgotten templ mount riot moslem crowd led that isra guard cover for tmf stop session speak for note network address dc witsend tnet author and tmail do mail new shell
talk.politics.mideast	show washington for bosnia appeal you show washington thi saturdai particip peac demonstr for sake human thi critic point histori world and can make chang thing will not chang bosnia rape kill ethnic cleans will norm dai follow will town fall thousand inoc civilian zapa past weekend happen jew happen muslim todai and will victim sinc european want remain indiffer thi issu time come for leadership role stop crime human time and thi for real folk peopl england bosnian relief committe that clinton adminstr will stop support bosnian sustain public pressur call democarat sen john kerri offic and that senat wait for presid decis mean that will wait and join band wagon move don reli part thi demonstr you individu will make big differ bring your famili not you will great will fun for famili massachusett travel fridai night particip contact local islam center bosnia relief agenc you want travel pre arrang buss option for student rent car and car pool spread word regard khalid chishti you live massachusett and want info call ginan england bosnian relief committe england bosnian relief committe phone disclaim opinion and noth employ
talk.politics.mideast	peac talk organ elizabeth hospit youngstown line nntp post host yfn ysu edu dzk brown edu danni keren write goebbel forgot talk alleg infect fine egyptian men mossad agent caught spy father egypt note women muslim isra not spy and didn infect jewish version stori muslim isra thought jewish state hasn defin thi point thi post hospit inmat foam cushion ward net access pill pal richard thorn rdt med pitt edu
talk.politics.mideast	israel apartheid state gener accept criteria can evalu whether polici practic constitut racial discrimin criteria found for exampl intern convent for abolit form racial discrimin ratifi countri intern coven polit and civil right human right charter european convent human right read carefulli racial discrimin defin legal bind instrument and not resort sophistri obviou that state israel guilti racial discrimin peopl suffer extrem form racial discriminatnion zionist regim palestinian refuge live isra militari control and live diaspora not entitl return homeland for sole reason that not jew intern law not includ provis permit such denial right circumst israel action denial total illeg and immor allow return refuge and permit settl tel area state israel state final gain legitimati intern law and justifi ask recogn facilit peac integr israel into middl east and constitut guarante for perman jewish presenc area attempt creat separ formal and human isra jewish and palestinian arab commun fraught genociad implic hope that jew sincer that peac prevail israel palestin will final realiz thi fact elia davidsson read carefulli post thi topic fact zionist racial discrimin describ
talk.politics.mideast	zionist leader frank statement center for polici research cpr subject zionist leader frank statement quotat zionist leader numer scholarli work deal palestin question urg access origin sourc verifi authent sourc and post find adher truth elia davidsson quotat zionist leader such thing palestinian golda meir prime minist israel london sundai time june difficulti zionist dare not avert ey rare like face palestin proper inhabit israel zangwil voic jerusalem london settl land arab will will scurri drug cockroach bottl raphael eitan isra chief staff york time april palestinian beast walk two leg menachem begin prime minist israel speech knesset quot amnon kapeliouk begin and beast statesman june process expropri palestinian and remov poor carri discreetli and circumspectli theodor herzl complet diari herzl press ourselv clear that room for peopl togeth thi countri solut palestin arab and transfer arab neighbor countri transfer not villag not tribe left joseph weitz jewish nation fund administr respons for zionist colon davar septemb spirit penniless popul palestinian across border procur employ for transit countri deni employ countri theodor herzl complet diari herzl press zionist look for mean ten thousand sulki arab remain galile flee gather jewish muktar contact arab villag and ask whisper ear arab that great jewish reinforc arriv galile and that burn villag huleh suggest arab friend escap time tactic reach goal wide area clean yig alon sepher palmach hebrew quot khalidi haven conquest ip jew expel arab and place david ben gurion quot shabtai teveth ben gurion and palestin arab oxford univers press ensur palestinian refuge never return david ben gurion diari juli quot michael bar zohar ben gurion arm prophet prentic hall countri empti desert island arab settlement shimon pere minist defens quot david sling arm israel weidenfeld and nicholson thi stori danger extermin jew blown justifi annex arab territori mordechai bentov isra cabinet minist hamishmar april jewish ethic jewish tradit can disqualifi terror mean combat yitzhak shamir hehazit summer journal lehi stern gang translat isra daili hamishmar decemb domin jewish agricultur arab worker cancer bodi uzan isra minist agricultur aretz decemb can nation home palestin and that jewish and equal partnership jew and arab montagu david eder presid zionist feder great britain doreen ingram comp palestin paper seed conflict georg brazil hope that jewish frontier palestin will great jewish energi for get palestin chaim weizmann presid state israel excerpt histor statement write and address jewish agenc for palestin not singl jewish villag thi countri that not built site arab villag mosh dayan aretz april peopl talk expel arab event war and instrument prepar aharon yariv chief isra militari intellig inquiri decemb arab leader never make peac israel that natur countri david ben gurion nahum goldmann jewish paradox weidenfeld and nicolson palestin form portion rampart europ asia outpost civil oppos barbar theodor herzl jewish state london deepli launch prevent war arab state hesit will achiev two target firstli annihil arab power and secondli expans territori menachem begin speech knesset octob last year peopl process build countri and nation expans get addit jew and addit settlement order expand border jew that process end jew that end road mosh dayan ariv juli british left jewish settlement remot enter seiz arab haganah sever and frequent attack captur arab posit and liber tiberia and haifa jaffa and safad david ben gurion rebirth and destini israel philosoph librari month preced arab invas and arab state conduct prepar continu make salli into arab territori conquest jaffa stand event rate import struggl for hebrew independ earli ev invas arab state menachem begin revolt nash french tunisia jew palestin jewish will jewish monei jewish power and jewish enthusiasm chaim weizmann presid state israel trial and error harper not nasser want war two divis sinai not suffici launch offens israel knew and knew yitzhak rabin mond februari pretend that egyptian forc mass frontier posit threaten exist israel constitut insult not intellig capabl analyz thi sort situat insult zahal isra armi gener re matti pele aretz march broken strength arab legion and bombard amman wipe transjordan that syria fall end war and put paid egypt assyria and chaldea behalf ancestor david ben gurion diari quot michael bar zohar arm prophet biographi ben gurion prentic hall jew diaspora for reason hero back wall thi can chang realiti isra gener ezer weizmann mond june not todai fling accus palestinian arab murder that argu hatr for year sit refuge camp gaza and ey turn into homestead land and villag and forefath live gener settler and steel helmet and cannon cannot plant tree and build home not shrink back hatr ferment and fill live hundr thousand arab sit not avert gaze that hand not slip thi fate gener choic life prepar and arm strong and tough sword will slip and life will snuf mosh dayan eulogi roi rutenberg kibbutz nahal quot uri avneri israel zionist collier book macmillan york
talk.politics.mideast	labour enclav polici import center for polici research cpr subject labour enclav polici import labour enclav polici occupi territori israel shahak publ middl east intern london not difficult discov israel polici palestinian time can easili infer fact ground and inform provid hebrew press condit torrent claptrap peac process total israel offici pronounc sole purpos distort realiti concentr fact earli appar that labour polici shamir for greater relianc deceit and effect implement likud polici accur describ ariel sharon articl accompani map yediot aharonot last august sharon plan envisag divis west bank into and gaza strip into autonom palestinian enclav isra supervis total area enclav amount per cent territori rest control isra settlement and highwai built enclav entir area jerusalem outskirt ramallah boundari bethlehem turn into greater jerusalem arab inhabit local amount small enclav surround area occupi isra settlement reserv for judg labour settlement polici assum that content lesser number arab enclav larger size sharon had plan principl surround enclav settlement strateg dispers highwai remain unchang labour plan enclav west bank two samaria and two judea north and south jerusalem and two gaza strip regard greater jerusalem labour polici deviat sharon saner version likud polici isra correspond onc realis labour polici saner version sharon extravaganza last juli gideon eshet wrote yediot aharonot that bare month ago labour support demand freez construct green line specif decis freez construct territori and uzi benziman wrote aretz that can judg basi intern polit discuss jerusalem rabin intend stick likud wai two biggest enclav envisag labour locat samaria belt settlement tran samaria highwai design separ enclav each paramount import latest data percentag isra settler entir west bank popul apart east jerusalem mere per cent for area tran samaria highwai figur almost per cent and increas steadili situat settlement efrat block south jerusalem design sever enclav bethlehem hebron pretti efrat block connect west jerusalem highwai project costli extrem highwai design bypass bethlehem sequenc long tunnel final decis build thi highwai suspend rabin return visit march subsequ decis renew construct can approv for enclav plan process impoverish enclav plan impli deliber and steadi impoverish palestinian thi israel abroad concern includ plo regard gaza strip process describ shiff aretz march mention pamphlet issu six year ago civil administr forecast condit gaza strip isra rule analysi deserv quot extens continu steal strip water even qualiti deterior year year continu steal strip tini land resourc order found and settlement deliber want make inhabit despair and despair termw noth lose that strip worker spend travel workplac almost time spend work militari point view control half strip area increasingli exorbit price manpow and resourc year mosh aren left defenc ministri heard that withdraw strip come argument that israel sink into strip deeper and deeper told had propos thi yitzhak shamir reject yitzhak rabin reject enorm state support for qatif block settler can cite proof that enclav plan implement qatif block settlement found rabin govern intend divid gaza strip into two separ enclav efraim davidi davar had data show vital for isra thi enterpris qatif block produc per cent isra tomato destin for export and substanti proport cut flower deal subsidi settler receiv consider augment present govern ow hous unit cheap present govern not spare effort recruit settler block prospect settler will per cent mortgag for hous top grant shekel such data show that israel plan appli whether palestinian gaza strip allow forbidden work israel econom motiv explain danni rubinstein aretz march econom viewpoint gaza seal hermet and strip worker bar enter israel even accur data hard come indisput that last two year numb gazan worker arriv daili work israel markedli decreas mid todai decreas not due restrict impos enter israel gaza due drastic curtail demand for gazan labour israel unemploy israel soar and construct apart block virtual halt worker gaza longer need gaza total depend entir economi gaza strip total depend israel recent year gaza strip increas sub contract work for isra factori footwar and textil thousand small workshop emploi averag worker raw materi unfinish product togeth detail work instruct isra factori rubinstein attribut thi develop fact that averag wage gaza strip per cent that west bank turn stand half averag wage israel and gazan employ not pai social secur for employe averag wage gaza strip that israel profit isra factori and even palestinian sub contractor vast higher gazan sub contractor labour perform home famili livelihood ten thousand gazan depend such sub contract work women and children paid ten shekel dai can last hour can doubt that profit exploit cheap gazan labour reason for stubborn opposit rabin and isra minist withdraw strip econom condit gaza strip differ creat straight israel conquest thi respect not delud talk nowadai fashion isra gestur intend encourag econom develop territori isra journalist point permit for open busi depend prior approv shin bet profess goodwil desir solv problem attitud good colonialist will for benefit nativ condit that behav nice not becom rebelli and never interest metropoli econom interest includ wrote michal sela davar februari develop sub contract work gaza strip accord perfectli sela diagnosi sela show exactli econom control work branch economi lobbi set motion for purpos free isra product threat palestinian competit method simplic isra produc succe persuad govern even trade and industri minist alon militari order issu prohibit export produc israel thi not suffic palestinian factori deni licenc oper bureaucrat obstacl paralys product activ such lobbi agricultur succeed limit export gazan veget for grown settler not israel europ compet isra export perpetuar apartheid labour goal perpetu thi apartheid regim territori goal share not support labour govern firmli view reason feel happier support labour likud greater effici pursu settlement drive thi point brought home ofer shelah ariv deplor settler failur attribut likud ineffici show that peak yearli settlement growth occur term offic nation uniti govern rabin serv defenc minist likud reput for settl territori labour fals attribut tini settlement strateg found shamir for symbol reason sum labour polici uncondition support differ that likud primarili effici implement that polici territori divid into two part major part rule israel directli and minor part indirectli view thi racist scheme doom ultim fail horrifi price human suffer sooner true natur recognis suffer
talk.politics.mideast	zionist reject jew new center for polici research cpr subject zionist reject jew new ethiopian jew and not quit jew isra press publish item ethiopian jew wait camp addi ababa for immigr israel dy starvat excerpt interview gener director jdc project for develop and welfar ethiopian jew kobi friedman hadashot april state that peopl dy addi ababa convert christian hadashor publish item dy jew view video tape film last week adi ababa you that convert chritian jew tape don speak experi that remain ethiopia christian that previous thing publish press interest parti and connect and realiti interest parti ethiopian immigr want christian rel come you recommend that ethiopian children israel parent and rest rel remain ethiopia job state israel bring rel stai ethiopia answer that not solut econom for that young man bui ticket ethiopia and reunit famili publ front altern inform center jerusalem israel april
talk.politics.mideast	new that miss articl ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem write articl optima arizona edu bakken arizona edu dave bakken write articl boni boni jake boni boni jake livni write time sundai articl somalia report write last year iran quietli island belong unit arab emir and deport peopl protest unit state thi refer miss spike doubt nyt and sourc thi for dai ongo border disuput and iranian kick uae peopl briefli report thi moon ago don recal read public comment strong protest island abu musa and greater and lesser tunb presum don fourth two island belong iran and time island belong unit arab emir not major row abu musa jointli administ iran and uae disput back earli britain evacu island and iran shah reclaim island had histor ti iran british object rais that time understand that uae resid abu musa free travel and island and that iran desir diplomat resolut disput that british iranian and uae refer occupi territori mean territori disput israel not affair jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	isra destruct mosqu jerusalem articl tqat gxp cbnewsj att avr cbnewsj att adam reed write alleg jewish disrespect for object and build religion antisemit stereotyp that permeat western cultur and rumor church and host desacr caus pogrom blood libel year ago lot nois church citi jerusalem jewish group fact build question dormitori that belong church and not physic connect church had leas palestinean arab for year and jewish group sub leas church that own build disapprov and legal action start revok sub leas media made jewish vigilant steal church properti jerusalem forc stereotyp that pervad cultur creat cognit illus that reifi stereotyp claim that appear reifi stereotyp treat decent peopl utmost suspicion and document damag press case not surpris that decent peopl regard press utmost suspicion such claim cross post new group not document such refer time appear that claim document regard episod disgust and shame offici fail provid proper temporari facil for evict jordanian jewish and jew that you refer mosh dayan you that evict jordanian not provid fact thi thread that squatter land that not receiv compens for loss woe jew feel that recov land that forc ethnic cleans remain jew disgust and shame jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	arrest fugit adl case lo angel time saturdai page figur adl spy case arrest airport espionag polic offic into custodi arriv philippin had fled fbi interrog jenif warren time staff writer san francisco san francisco polic offic fled philippin amid accus that funnel confidenti law enforc inform investig for anti defam leagu arrest airport feloni charg polic fridai thoma gerard abruptli left unit state octob fbi question activ apprehend thursdai night sourc philippin told investig that gerard return home gerard book into san francisco counti jail earli fridai morn count theft govern document and count each comput theft burglari and conspiraci convict charg gerard face year prison and fine bail initi set polic argu that flight risk reduc friend gerard post bail late fridai afternoon sheriff spokeswoman gerard return unit miss wife and child live houseboat sausalito and want dai court polic capt john willett boss and two arrest offic gerard undercov agent for central intellig agenc fear that cia kill willett interview time last month gerard threaten disclos illeg cia support death squad central america indict and san francisco spy charg gerard central figur scandal intellig network oper anti defam leagu promin jewish civil right organ investig alleg that gerard illeg gave crimin histori roi bullock san francisco art dealer undercov adl intellig oper for year investig found confidenti polic file bullock home comput contain entri peopl and group and box apart file seiz search warrant adl offic san francisco and lo angel author not disclos content gerard not reach for comment fridai and attornei jame lassart not return telephon call seek comment interview time last month gerard acknowledg snoop and share inform bullock deni crimin wrongdo bullock and gerard investig for sell intellig south africa adl offici describ bullock week independ contractor and vigor deni knowledg illeg activ fridai adl lawyer jerrold ladar gerard arrest noth adl that comment case arab american group main target spy polic applaud arrest and press author pursu investig urg investig carri thi case forward and publicli disclos full extent adl and law enforc involv jame zogbi head arab american institut washington polic meanwhil character gerard arrest inquiri into spy scandal unexpect breakthrough polic colleagu gerard inspector fred mollat visit gerard week ago and urg return home knew wouldn want live island lam forev didn happen thi quickli capt willett thi develop speed timet case year career polic forc gerard highli regard offic for work depart intellig divis last assign gang task forc fbi agent question gerard last fall earli retir and fled remot jungl island palawan mile south manila gerard arrest step philippin airlin flight travel alon and look tan haggard six month hiatu polic surpris stand and shock face willett back yigal aren usc isi made aren isi edu
talk.politics.mideast	ly tortur yedi ahronot april excerpt each and nevo refer gener azri nevo shamir militari secretari irrelev thi excerpt nahum barn mid shabak found center anoth storm year and half earlier khale sheikh ali member islam jihad di shabak instal gaza prison two shabak interrog respons for death put trial septemb suprem court reject appeal and sentenc month prison thi time israel histori that shabak oper prison suprem court unanim reject warn director shabak that sentenc will detriment effect interrog judg case barak goldberg and matza realiz that interrog agre talk deputi state attornei rachel sukkar charg investig affair question director shabak divis investig matter death gaza prison discov that not tortur cultur li judg landau had describ report two year exist noth had chang report classifi and ten peopl prime minist peopl top judici system and judg landau director shabak claim that not deal singl jail and low rank peopl system bit bullet and accept explan shabak high rank offici transfer high posit high posit cultur li refer shabak interrog polici ly court deni detaine claim that tortur interrog landau commiss sought correct thi problem legal list tortur method elimin fear that detaine releas method us extract confess fact that lie persist that shabak not stick approv tortur method yigal yigal aren usc isi made aren isi edu
talk.politics.mideast	israel apartheid state articl smllm cvill srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu alberto adolfo pinka write articl pasteur berkelei edu adam bellini berkelei edu adam schwartz write articl smbma cvill srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu alberto adolfo pinka write not thi hope answer that you can appli law return convers you elect not part jewish nation point convert anoth religion not loos cultur ident loos religi identif disagre convert anoth religion you chang your cultur ident and lose that part you jewish moment you convert you offici anounc world that you not part jewish nation jewish nation you member part not jeish nation defin cultur and not religion atheist fact convert into jewish term religion consid part jewish nation cultur and religio differ renounc jewish god and accept thou god convers violat thi atheism you wiggl adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	israel apartheid state not quit articl ninnfo earli bird shaig shai gudai write articl spam math adelaid edu jaskew spam math adelaid edu joseph askew write arab cabinet long and insignific posit assign and thi base sole race not polit belief secur jewish member parti not fellow arab arab stand parti parti sole depend amount polit power can wield effect not question individu stand parti put arab for cabinet post and that arab reject posit jew parti not talk power racism you care deni thi happen occas labour coalit past not effect garner vote and form singl bloc knesset occas thi parti stand that extremist and ineffect preclud form coalit and particip cabinet not parti individu even belong nice peac zionist mainstream parti not arab exclud ficiti secur ground excus racism arab exclud cabinet even thing you suggest arab you reason happi listen good reason leftist jew secur risk leftist arab parti present cabinet joseph askew joseph askew gauch and proud autumn still pleiad jaskew spam math adelaid edu remot thorni desert fell grief disclaim sue care north tent sky end somwher brenda pale river murmur
talk.politics.mideast	baltic state and realism and virvir drivel articl husc harvard edu verbit brauer harvard edu mikhail verbitski write word behav mutlu carri similar treatment overs articl scan propagandist leaflet stuff easili decent librari typic virvir drivel peopl will you loonei howl wire you that thi clear thing for you that alien outer space come earth regularli and abduct arromdian asala sdpa arf for medic experi stronger evid for that you propagandist leaflet thi american offic genocid million muslim peopl armenian and not crook idiot sourc world aliv person stori robert dunn crown publish inc york memoir american offic wit armenian genocid million muslim peopl seventh paragraph and paragraph insid hous come you and dammit stomach isn turkish offic uniform you tree mosqu open space don you nail stud door man push ajar spur leav check corps thought thi charg constant grit teeth and insid place cool reek sodden ash and dark for stone wall had window slit rag strew mud floor iron tripod ember that vent smoke roof beam black soot look bare and empti room fli buzz door swung shut man bodi ly face nake for grimi turban fifti year left face rifl butt had bash ey left slant tartar turk uniform onc proof and quickli gag mess slash genit paragraph peopl live hundr yawn you turk offic sir dawn tartar civilian mufti lieuten doze small hour voic woke dro stood starlight bawl offic keelhaul long and furious never heard abruptli dro broke into laughter quick and simpl child cover for sens guilt thought hope for despit boast irreligion christian massacr infidel horribl revers daybreak armenian villag pour mile women plunder happili chatter raven pick carcass djul haul hovel chattel last scrap food cloth and stagger pack pot saddlebag loom even spin wheel you for lot dro back camp leav shook hand captain bientot mon camarad and for hour molokan scout and plod north across parch plain lot wife look back onc smoke bath doubtless sack moslem villag line snow that iran morn tea dro and offic spread map thi high region call karabakh deep tactic spoke russian contempt for alli neutral zone and distrust promis made tribal chief campaign shape raid moslem villag will hour dro told close side men foot will not shoot us bayonet merrimanov jab rifl dumbshow that for moral dro put moslem terror soldier civilian ask differ dro arm uniform not women and children will fly ridg circl wide expans floor hundr feet fog held solid cotton flock djul li that dro point men attack side whee whistl line rock edg bayonet click carbin plung archo black haunch rippl staff hord nose tail belli take spur armenia action pageant war even heard utica brass roar watch height ag for djul show clear tsing machin gun fire thump batteri cattl low dog bark invis at hunk chees and drank snow puddl mist last fold upward men shout heard faintli shrill wail cloud streak rose darker wisp smoke red glimmer hous wall stone wattl into dry weed roof mosqu stood clump tree thick and green crook allei fire horsemen gallop figur mount and foot tartarski shout gunner pantomim escap rock twist bronz shell nose load and yank breech cord fire and shot wast thought afternoon look vain for fallen branch bodi shot and white burst shrapnel gulli drown women cri length shoot peter hors and rode djul burn flame show steep and tough dens scrub final flatter ground suddenli alder smolder hous across trampl wheat brother arm lead anim calv and lamb fourth paragraph corps pretti child straight black hair larg ey look twelv year lai stubbl meal lai scatter sack tote bayonet had back judg for blood scant breast clot small for bullet wound crust homespun dress boi ten rawhid jacket and knee pant lai face path hut arm reach pewter bowl carri upset dough steel had jab below neck into spine grownup led sorrel djul empti live till look besid dro german speak colonel tartar had not escap dead stori armenian murder turk czarist troop fled north host told duti tab brigand turkish troop shift hidden arm spi christian red tartar come transcaucasu spoke hell that break loos versail put threaten six armenian vilayet turkei control erevan armenia armenian turk christian rule lip smack ironi droopi red moustach that bloodsh smyrna bigger scale serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	arab leader and bosnia articl innkh minerva ci yale edu pavlov milan yale edu milan pavlov write disagre you that beacon genocid apolog admit expos compuls liar and mouthpiec for crimin nazi armenian asala sdpa arf terror and revision triangl love eloqu liner you not stick origin question imagin you human imposs you your head wasn screw clock thi you that onc that not crux argument thi difficult for you understand lack intellig compil liner that print and show friend summer and can kind clown exist chicago chang fact that period armenian govern order incit assist and particip genocid million muslim peopl race religion and nation origin armenian slaughter entir muslim popul van armenian slaughter muslim popul bitli armenian slaughter muslim popul erzurum armenian slaughter muslim popul diyarbakir armenian slaughter muslim popul mamuretulaziz armenian slaughter muslim popul siva armenian slaughter entir muslim popul soviet armenia mccarthi muslim and minor popul ottoman anatolia and end empir york univers press york karpat ottoman popul univers wisconsin press hovannisian armenia road independ univers california press berkelei and lo angel shaw armenian collabor invad russian armi histori ottoman empir and modern turkei volum reform revolut republ rise modern turkei london cambridg univers press gochnak armenian newspap publish unit state sourc jorg blanco villalta ataturk tkk armenian not refrain give racial hatr and commit act cruelti and massacr moslem popul encourag tashnak parti mortal enemi turkei serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	kisseng articl befdd new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write you notic assumpt us bosnian serb and serbia and bosnian muslim post quaint you point thi and complet ignor blatant li you trot scenario and genocid stage armenian year ago eastern anatolia and soviet armenia reenact thi time azerbaijan remark similar plot perpetr and underdog rememb articl bac new servic uci edu you blatantli li and not correct goltz articl not publish sundai time magazin march guardian sundai section stori not file frim agdam london rest net judg thi merit sourc sundai time march british weekli written thoma goltz agdam azerbaijan armenian soldier massacr hundr flee famili spiral violenc grip outer republ soviet union gain impetu yesterdai cold blood slaughter hundr women and children war rack nagorno karabakh survivor report that armenian soldier shot and bayonet azeri women and children flee attack town hundr possibl thousand miss and fear dead attack kill soldier and volunt defend women and children turn gun terrifi refuge survivor describ happen that real slaughter began azer hajiev soldier surviv armenian shot and shot and and start carv peopl bayonet and knive shoot shoot shoot echo rasia aslanova arriv agdam women and children made armenian line husband kayun and son law kill front daughter miss boi arriv agdam had ear slice survivor had fled separ miss gruell terrain perish wound cold late yesterdai death had regist morgu agdam morgu and bodi had buri cemeteri corps await burial two children and women shot chest point blank rang agdam hospit scene carnag and terror doctor had patient escap slaughter bullet injuri deep stab wound safe agdam fridai night rocket fell citi popul destroi build and kill person wait inhuman ignor thi violenc stori survivor karabag massacr year hatin tell twin grandchildren cut piec front ey told won kill you babi die front your ey year huseyin ibrahimoglu turkish villag khojalu town blown two hour kill children and babi mercilessli you turk you die year gulsum huseyin bayonet year daughter stomach front ey stori li ey wit dai dream stori forg turkish journalist region nonsens such claim clear write british journalist two dai had quot sundai time articl british report event karabag even turkish journalist pictur pictur peopl bayonet ey goug ear cut even armenian radio couldn claim li exagger that mean someth happen situat not bad report perhap that villag khojalu town destroi hour gulsum huseyin year daughter bayonet chest stomach massacr dimens effect thi massacr karabag and environ cannot reduc word western press led french newspap abil close ey noth complic thi massacr yesterdai gave sampl figaro yesterdai print new real event karabag print french channel subject consid relat karabag necess protect armenian azeri attack ag live term human right ag lot organ such unit nation and csce confer secur and cooper europ and rule design fight human right violat intern reaction made intern cooper support and organ claim civil human right violat that live and such level barbar and cruelti cooper reaction and intellectu journalist writer station western countri such franc fast claim leadership human right you serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
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talk.politics.mideast	for genocid azeri armenian articl bav psuvm psu edu bori veytsman bav psuvm psu edu write exampl help understand that view gic alon nevertheless independ alon western scholar forc disagre you world war and ensu year armenian premedit and systemat genocid complet centuri polici annihil turk and kurd savag murder million muslim and deport rest year homeland attempt genocid justli regard instanc genocid centuri act entir peopl thi event incontrovert proven historian govern and intern polit leader such ambassador mark bristol william langer ambassador layard jame barton stanford shaw arthur chester john dewei robert dunn papazian nalbandian ohanu appressian jorg blanco villalta gener nikolayef gener bolkovitinof gener prjevalski gener odiselidz meguerditch kazimir motayef twerdokhlebof gener hamelin rawlinson aveti aharonian stephan eshnani varandian gener bronsart arfa hamlin bogho nubar sarki atamian katchaznouni rachel bortnick halid edip mccarthi allen paul muratoff and hurewitz professor govern emeritu director middl east institut columbia univers bernard lewi cleveland dodg professor eastern histori princeton univers halil inalcik univers professor ottoman histori member american academi art scienc univers chicago peter golden professor histori rutger univers newark stanford shaw professor histori univers california lo angel thoma naff professor histori director middl east research institut univers pennsylvania ronald jen associ professor histori asian studi univers illinoi howard reed professor histori univers connecticut dankwart rustow distinguish univers professor polit scienc citi univers graduat school york john wood associ professor middl eastern histori univers chicago john masson smith professor histori univers california berkelei alan fisher professor histori michigan state univers avigdor levi professor histori brandei univers andrea bodrogligetti professor histori univers california lo angel kathleen burril associ professor turkish studi columbia univers roder davison professor histori georg washington univers walter denni professor histori univers massachusett caesar farah professor histori univers minnesota tom goodrich professor histori indiana univers pennsylvania tibor halasi kun professor emeritu turkish studi columbia univers justin mccarthi professor histori univers louisvil jon mandavil professor histori portland state univers oregon robert olson professor histori univers kentucki madelin zilfi professor histori univers maryland jame stewart robinson professor turkish studi univers michigan list and and for genocid azeri peopl armenian sourc channel new mondai march french journalist corps men women and children civilian cloth shot dead head close meter sourc bbc morn new tuesdai march bbc report live line and claim that bodi azeri men women and children babi shot dead head short distanc sourc bbc morn new tuesdai march disturb pictur shown that civilian corps pick mountain report cameraman and western journalist corps men women children massacr armenian shot dead head close meter pictur shown ten bodi women and children shot dead head azerbaijan claim that civilian massacr armenian forc serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	eyewit armenian genocid million muslim articl zeu tamu edu smt zeu tamu edu stephani tsai write serdar argic implor you stop post and repost messag armenian action call you will hate messag fact civil turkish and armenian civil guilti barbar act and thi longer time place espous such hatr good will read lot newsgroup gain hate messag fact your argument fall flat face refer emin author field middl eastern histori and eyewit armenian genocid million muslim armenian revolutionari movement louis nalbandian univers california press berkelei lo angel diplomaci imperi william lenger professor histori harward univers boston alfr knopt york turkei europ sir charl elliot edward arnold london chatnam hous version and middl eastern studi eli kedouri praeger publish york washington rise crescent ernest jackh farrar reinhart inc york toronto spiritu and polit evolut islam felix valyi mogan paul trench truebner london struggl for power moslem asia alexand powel centuri york london struggl for transcaucasia feruz kazemzadeh yale univers press haven conn histori ottoman empir and modern turkei volum stanford shaw cambridg univers press cambridg york melbourn western question greec and turkei arnold toynbe constabl london bombai sydnei caliph last heritag sir mark syke macmillan london men that leonard hartil bobb indianapoli adventur east rawlinson dodd mead world aliv person stori robert dunn crown publish inc york sardarapat serv and lousann aveti aharonian armenian review magazin volum fall spring armenia road independ richard hovanessian univers california press berkelei california rebirth turkei clair price thoma seltzer york caucasian battlefield allen paul muratoff cambridg partit turkei harri howard fertig york king crane commiss harri howard beirut unit state polici and partit turkei laurenc evan john hopkin univers press baltimor british document relat turkish war independ gothard jaeschk nesid kerem demir bir sehid anasina tarihin soyledikleri turkiy nin ermeni meselesi hulb basim yayin ankara ingilizc birinci baski armenian question turkei veysel eroglu ermeni mezalimi sebil yayinevi istanbul alper gazigirai osmanlilardan gunumuz kadar vesikalarla ermeni teroru nun kaynaklari gozen kitabevi istanbul kirzioglu fahrettin kar ili cevresind ermeni mezalimi kard matbaasi ankara basbakanlik osmanli arsivi babiali istanbul yildiz esa evraki yildiz perakend irad defterleri cemaat gayr muslim defterleri meclisi vukela mazbatalari dahiliy nezareti kalem mahsu dosyalari dahiliy nezareti sifr defterleri babiali evrak odasi siyasi kartonlar babiali evrak odasi muhimm kartonlari disisleri bakanligi hazin evrak defterdarlik harb umumi muteferrik kartonlar british archiv parliamentari paper hansard common lord foreign offic confidenti print collect foreign offic turkei correspond annual report foreign offic foreign offic polit intellig gener correspond foreign offic ryan paper foreign offic curzon paper foreign offic eastern confer lausann file india offic record and librari blackfriar road london polit and secur box turkei treati peac east turkei and greec lausann confer french archiv archiv minister de affair entranger quai orsai pari document diplomatiqu affair armenien collect guerr turqui legion orient levant armeni offici public publish document diplomat correspond agreement minut and turkei ottoman empir and republ turkei akarli belgelerl tanzimat istanbul kur atas askeri tarih belgeleri dergisi xxxi dec askeri tarih belgeleri dergisi xxxii dec hocaoglu ittihad anasir osmaniy heyeti nizamnamesi istanbul merai tran lozan bari konferansi tutanaklar belgel ankara vol merai olcai osmanli imparatorlugu nun coku belgeleri mondro birakismasi sevr andlasmasi ilgili belgel ankara osmanli devleti dahiliy nezareti aspir agiss revolutionnair de comit armenien avant apr proclam constitut ottoman istanbul ermeni komitelerinin amal hareket ihtilaliyesi ilan mesrutiyetten evvel sonra istanbul idar umumiy vilayet kanunu istanbul 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harbord anadolu gezisi ermeni meselesi dair raporu kurtulu savasi baslangicinda istanbul akin turk devrim tarihi istanbul aksin jon turkler ittihad terakki istanbul basar ermenilerden gorduklerimiz ankara ermenil hakkinda makalel derlemel ankara belen birinci dunya harbind turk harbi ankara deliorman turkler karsi ermeni komitecileri istanbul eg pren sabahaddin hayati ilmi mudafaalari istanbul ercikan ermenilerin bizan osmanli imparatorluklarindaki rolleri ankara gurun ermeni sorunu yahut bir sorun nasil yaratilir turk tarihind ermenil sempozyumu izmir hocaoglu arsiv vesikalariyla tariht ermeni mezalimi ermenil istanbul karal osmanli tarihi vii viii ankara kurat osmanli imparatorlugu nun paylasilmasi ankara orel yuca ermenilerc talat pasa atfedilen telgraflarin icyuzu ankara english translat ahmad young turk committe union and progress turkish polit oxford serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	zionist leader frank statement articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write center for polici research cpr subject zionist leader frank statement quotat zionist leader numer scholarli work deal palestin question urg access origin sourc verifi authent sourc and post find adher truth elia davidsson quotat zionist leader such thing palestinian golda meir prime minist israel london sundai time june never call palestinian settl land arab will will scurri drug cockroach bottl raphael eitan isra chief staff york time april come soldier that can surpris you eitan charg tsomet and reason get vote year elect squeaki clean corrupt palestinian beast walk two leg menachem begin prime minist israel speech knesset quot amnon kapeliouk begin and beast statesman june ignor statesman process expropri palestinian and remov poor carri discreetli and circumspectli theodor herzl complet diari herzl press crafti jew will you learn anti semit iceland ourselv clear that room for peopl togeth thi countri solut palestin arab and transfer arab neighbor countri transfer not villag not tribe left joseph weitz jewish nation fund administr respons for zionist colon davar septemb face view spirit penniless popul palestinian across border procur employ for transit countri deni employ countri theodor herzl complet diari herzl press penniless mean big gui grow hate your bracket zionist look for mean ten thousand sulki arab remain galile flee gather jewish muktar contact arab villag and ask whisper ear arab that great jewish reinforc arriv galile and that burn villag huleh suggest arab friend escap time tactic reach goal wide area clean yig alon sepher palmach hebrew quot khalidi haven conquest ip gave advanc warn not plo jew expel arab and place david ben gurion quot shabtai teveth ben gurion and palestin arab oxford univers press yeah yeah bracket picki ensur palestinian refuge never return david ben gurion diari juli quot michael bar zohar ben gurion arm prophet prentic hall bracket man countri empti desert island arab settlement shimon pere minist defens quot david sling arm israel weidenfeld and nicholson that truth you elia thi stori danger extermin jew blown justifi annex arab territori mordechai bentov isra cabinet minist hamishmar april holocaust never happen naziman elia jewish ethic jewish tradit can disqualifi terror mean combat yitzhak shamir hehazit summer journal lehi stern gang translat isra daili hamishmar decemb lehi warn advanc not plo buddi boi domin jewish agricultur arab worker cancer bodi uzan isra minist agricultur aretz decemb true jew unemploi that america jerki can nation home palestin and that jewish and equal partnership jew and arab montagu david eder presid zionist feder great britain doreen ingram comp palestin paper seed conflict georg brazil firmli that todai hope that jewish frontier palestin will great jewish energi for get palestin chaim weizmann presid state israel excerpt histor statement write and address jewish agenc for palestin you don understand metaphor naziman and your quot lead not doubt actual guarante compil neo nazi group love your pseudo intellectu approach make you sound even dumber your conclus echad medinot leshtai amim peac pete
talk.politics.mideast	new that miss articl topic rtw gulf arab demand iran withdraw island ed updat end summit detail quot youssef azmeh abu dhabi dec reuter gulf arab state emerg summit that restor uniti almost month crisi pile pressur iran wednesdai revers virtual annex strateg gulf island issu statement dai gulf cooper council summit iran had show proof good neighbourli intent rescind measur that rock gulf stabil and secur leader avoid anti iranian rhetor recent statement egypt engin last minut settlement border row saudi arabia and qatar that allow member attend summit egypt fear iranian intent region and tehran alleg encourag moslem fundamentalist unrest larg presid hosni mubarak mediat gcc statement stress that develop relat gulf arab state and iran link enhac confid and measur iran line commit principl good neighbourli and respect sovreignti and territori integr region state denounc iran measur island abu musa share unit arab emir and continu occup greater and lesser tumb island iran earlier thi year extend control abu musa small garrison establish agreement uae emir sharjah sinc rescind order expel foreign work island for uae govern diplomat continu exercis author island uae sess virtual annex tumb occupi shah iran and uae sinc abu musa crisi erupt insist that return part gener settlement gcc leader call maintain sanction iraq for not fulli implement secur council resolut invas kuwait endors onc damascu declar pact sign egypt and syria troop part led allianc that drove iraqi troop kuwait deleg leader unabl agre detail fund announc creat last summit kuwait last year help egypt and syria econom develop programm leader not agre breakdown contribut each state total amount had scale billion billion agre last year fact that leader gcc state saudi arabia bahrain kuwait oman and qatar attend summit major achiev uniti maintain deleg not worri for moment slow progress conserv ruler discuss futur secur structur for region that boast bulk global oil and ga reserv leader unabl choos two propos put forward summit committe head oman sultan qaboo creat man rapid deploy forc that rush defend member extern aggress such iraq invas kuwait anoth saudi support plan expand exist man peninsula shield forc had plai larg symbol role and command saudi gener headwai made plan for regin common market summit call for concret propos submit year summit due held saudi arabia decemb reuter dya djg rtw gulf leader end summit abu dhabi dec reuter gulf arab state end dai annual summit wednesdai appeal iran end occup strateg gulf island condit for restor friendli ti across gulf joint statement issu summit mark relief settlement row two gulf cooper council member call for continu sanction iraq baghdad had fail implement kei secur council decis expuls troop kuwait earli last year summit broke ground step achiev gulf common market call offici present plan for common extern tarrif for six member summit will held saudi arabia decemb statement stress that develop relat gulf arab state and iran link enhac confid and measur iran line commit principl good neighbourli and respect sovreignti and territori integr region state denounc iran measur island abu musa share unit arab emir and continu occup smaller island greater and lesser tumb express deep regret and extrem concern for unjustifi iranian measur contradict proclaim develop relat and call iran rescind measur and end occup shake peac and stabil area iran earlier thi year extend control abu musa small garrison establish agreement uae emir sharjah sinc rescind order expel foreign work island for uae govern diplomat region that secur forc continu exercis author island uae thi virtual annex tumb occupi shah iran and uae sinc abu musa crisi erupt insist that return part gener settlement reuter dya djg rtw iran hint readi war island ed updat snsc statement nicosia dec reuter iran told gulf arab neighbour saturdai readi defend militarili disput island remind year war iraq year defenc iran iraq war prove world that brave nation will never hesit defend sovereignti and safeguard territori integr iran iran suprem nation secur council snsc meet head six nation gulf cooper council voic full support wednesdai for unit arab emir uae disput iran gulf island abu musa greater tumb and lesser tumb move trigger strong iranian critic and warn uae gcc group bahrain kuwait oman qatar and saudi arabia iranian presid akbar hashemi rafsanjani chair snsc meet saturdai fridai prayer sermon tehran univers iran sure stronger like you reach island cross sea blood snsc quot offici iranian new agenc irna receiv cypru criticis gcc and describ support uae irrespons countri will covet even inch iranian soil snsc earlier saturdai english languag tehran time believ close foreign ministri uae awar that iran restraint had limit dismiss uae claim island unfound and agreement share abu musa uae emir sharjah appli idea abu dhabi offici that tehran refrain respond blow inflict childish tehran time irna newspap comment gcc statement urg iran revers annex abu musa island and pull two island iran island entranc gulf histor belong disput flare thi year iran tighten control abu musa reuter jch rtw tehran paper iran reviv claim bahrain tehran dec reuter radic iranian newspap anger gulf arab claim disput island hit back demand that tehran reviv claim bahrain and improv ti iraq presid akbar hashemi rafsanjani and senior offici strongli condemn statement last week leader gulf cooper council gcc back unit arab emir uae disput iran gulf island newspap salam and jomhuri eslami demand that tehran restat resolv defend sovereignti island abu musa greater tumb and lesser tumb not clear sheikh bahrain join jomhuri eslami gcc group bahrain kuwait oman qatar saudi arabia and uae histor record criterion sheikh bahrain busi and rule iranian peopl bahrain belong iran establish paper fit for foreign ministri rais question iran sovereignti bahrain and start and effect drive end separ bahrain iran ad late shah iran relinquish iran claim bahrain year island independ state iranian leader sinc islam revolut carefulli avoid rais bahrain issu occasion brought press period tension conserv arab state across gulf salam newspap gcc stand show that polici appeas pro western gulf arab ruler had backfir matter you smile sheikh southern coast persian gulf unit state and west speak last word sheikh salam ad that iran revis polici neighbour war enemi iraq disregard logic potenti expand ti iraq and saudi back trend iraqi opposit plai role format current situat paper ti iran and iraq fought war improv briefli iraq invad kuwait tehran denounc invas and remain neutral ensu war call for presid saddam hussein overthrow suppress shi it moslem revolt swept southern iraq defeat kuwait reuter sij aet
talk.politics.mideast	israel not apartheid state articl spam math adelaid edu jaskew spam math adelaid edu joseph askew write articl ninnfo earli bird shaig shai gudai write articl spam math adelaid edu jaskew spam math adelaid edu joseph askew write arab cabinet long and insignific posit assign and thi base sole race not polit belief secur jewish member parti not fellow arab arab stand parti parti sole depend amount polit power can wield effect not question individu stand parti put arab for cabinet post and that arab reject posit jew parti not talk power racism not necessarili shai point polit appoint base power base favor ow coalit build and deal make thi racist element that fair attribut boi natur polit freeli admit that boi system racist and sexist effect don that purpos whether israel past not effect garner vote and form singl bloc knesset occas thi parti stand that extremist and ineffect preclud form coalit and particip cabinet not parti individu even belong nice peac zionist mainstream parti not arab exclud ficiti secur ground excus racism you miss boi natur polit and exist back room deal individu arab not connect jew get job don thi aspect polit understand exist adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	fraud elia davidsson elia davidsson write quotat zionist leader numer scholarli work deal palestin question urg access origin sourc verifi authent sourc and post find adher truth your respons for post quot context your phoni research center sourc unscholarli context agenda ridden and sophmor propaganda that don folk stroll elia davidsson contribut understand middl east quotat zionist leader such thing palestinian golda meir prime minist israel london sundai time june and suggest that meant thi you meant that palestinian don exist mean that peopl identifi palestinian not distinct ethnic group ey golda meir difficulti zionist dare not avert ey rare like face palestin proper inhabit israel zangwil voic jerusalem london thi written seventi year ago peopl region not jew not jew jew rabid bigot call for israel for jew that true true palestinian beast walk two leg menachem begin prime minist israel speech knesset quot amnon kapeliouk begin and beast statesman june sinc you insert word palestinian cannot begin talk for embellish import absurd pseudo organiz name center for polici research you not honest person process expropri palestinian and remov poor carri discreetli and circumspectli theodor herzl complet diari herzl press herzl di eighti year ago you suggest that state israel polici todai you israel even entertain polici exclud jew alon remov jew israel you that thi quot israel jewish citizenri todai you idiot you realiz that israel intent remov jewish isra you noth common liar thi time will give you benefit doubt and assum you stupid spirit penniless popul palestinian across border procur employ for transit countri deni employ countri theodor herzl complet diari herzl press onc you quot man for almost centuri you context modern dai israel thoma jefferson own slave thi fact defin unit state todai jew expel arab and place david ben gurion quot shabtai teveth ben gurion and palestin arab oxford univers press jew you add thi thi statement ten year israel state bear israel ensur palestinian refuge never return david ben gurion diari juli quot michael bar zohar ben gurion arm prophet prentic hall you ad word palestinian refuge and you mislead peopl into believ that ben gurion express hope that peopl fled land encourag peopl such king abdullah and mufti jerusalem gloat peopl abandon home refer arab jew war countri empti desert island arab settlement shimon pere minist defens quot david sling arm israel weidenfeld and nicholson time rebirth israel thi true compar israel accomplish short decad thi stori danger extermin jew blown justifi annex arab territori mordechai bentov isra cabinet minist hamishmar april sinc israel not annex even millimet territori twenti six year thi quot irrelev jewish ethic jewish tradit can disqualifi terror mean combat yitzhak shamir hehazit summer journal lehi stern gang translat isra daili hamishmar decemb you quot man fight for had promis time ancient biblic time balfour declar short year back and thought and describ terror jew didn includ slaughter olymp athlet brutal murder innoc attack school buse and murder anoth human for sole reason that arab domin jewish agricultur arab worker cancer bodi uzan isra minist agricultur aretz decemb concern work forc that consist peopl israel wise concern work forc consist foreign not good situat for countri can nation home palestin and that jewish and equal partnership jew and arab montagu david eder presid zionist feder great britain doreen ingram comp palestin paper seed conflict georg brazil thi mean for countri form seventeen year thi statement made time chang thi not israel todai peac talk make thi quot irrelev not singl jewish villag thi countri that not built site arab villag mosh dayan aretz april thi complet fals peopl talk expel arab event war and instrument prepar aharon yariv chief isra militari intellig inquiri decemb expel israel occupi territori jersei can read thi and idea earth talk not palestin form portion rampart europ asia outpost civil oppos barbar theodor herzl jewish state london interest notion that thi written centuri ago quit visionari deepli launch prevent war arab state hesit will achiev two target firstli annihil arab power and secondli expans territori menachem begin speech knesset octob thi forti year ago begin dead and obviou that israel expansionist annex occupi territori captur israel not negoti rid last year peopl process build countri and nation expans get addit jew and addit settlement order expand border jew that process end jew that end road mosh dayan ariv juli dead and sinc israel not annex land sinc you onc wast bandwidth mislead quot sync realiti israel that you noth make fanat desper swai peopl mislead not todai fling accus palestinian arab murder that argu hatr for year sit refuge camp gaza and ey turn into homestead land and villag and forefath live gener settler and steel helmet and cannon cannot plant tree and build home not shrink back hatr ferment and fill live hundr thousand arab sit not avert gaze that hand not slip thi fate gener choic life prepar and arm strong and tough sword will slip and life will snuf mosh dayan eulogi roi rutenberg kibbutz nahal quot uri avneri israel zionist collier book macmillan york interest quot true that never lose sight plight peopl recogn that thi quot preced disgust wave arab terror and violenc direct innoc peopl that began massacr isra athlet munich and continu thi dai your abil obscur equal your desir truthseek thi group problem you easili recogn fanat stream mislead partial and context quot total unfett burden truth
talk.politics.mideast	isra destruct mosqu jerusalem articl boni boni jake boni boni jake livni write you refer mosh dayan you that evict jordanian not provid fact thi thread that squatter land that not receiv compens for loss woe jew feel that recov land that forc ethnic cleans remain jew disgust and shame refer claim that arab moghrabi district squatter haven thi book read haven opposit jim eggertj mit edu jim eggert
talk.politics.mideast	isra destruct mosqu jerusalem slm dnk termin itd umich edu jlove ivrit itd umich edu jack love wrote articl bec new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write thi issu for and your present refer won resolv thi issu that oppos your insist that mosqu destroi even your locat thi refer you spend your quot deal incid that abhorr noth issu hand end quot almost hand comment that two mosqu destroi support claim thi natur author support thi incid identifi mosqu destroi identifi name and address steet locat comment report make thi happen mean prove doubt that isra author order destruct mosqu vicin wail wall that not mean that onc can gener thi point entir plaza mosqu and clear make for jew place worship place that holiest and had deni for millenia hand rest jerusalem and israel knowledg isra author scrupul avoid damag islam religi site thi contrast polici previou regim destroi jewish synagogu hate and bigotri for that matter usa rerout freewai avoid church synagogu and condemn paid and road standard polici for number public project school and sport arena two exampl anticip object that case aren compar not wall count tourist attract that part world make room for traffic twenti second decis for citi council heard session speak for note network address dc witsend tnet author and tmail do mail new shell
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talk.politics.mideast	israel apartheid state articl smllm cvill srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu alberto adolfo pinka write articl pasteur berkelei edu adam bellini berkelei edu adam schwartz write that defin belong nation that claim state base religi belief form racism don want muddi water unnecessarili disagre discrimin base religion not and cannot racist sole qualif for religi membership racial thi not case for israel closer islam thi rais vex question church antisemit jew heavili discrimin ground religion christian countri russia exampl jew persecut that persecut ey church and state stop baptism font offici jew convert legal barrier that peter great interior minist such convert background can claim that russian orthodox not teach antisemit and not antisemit similarli for roman cathol church suspect thi not racial taint base belief and form racism not antisemit not racial base hitler kill convert pure german blood joseph askew joseph askew gauch and proud autumn still pleiad jaskew spam math adelaid edu remot thorni desert fell grief disclaim sue care north tent sky end somwher brenda pale river murmur
talk.politics.mideast	new that miss articl vext lxn boni boni jake boni boni jake livni write articl ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem write articl optima arizona edu bakken arizona edu dave bakken write articl boni boni jake boni boni jake livni write time sundai articl somalia report write last year iran quietli island belong unit arab emir and deport peopl protest unit state thi refer miss spike doubt nyt and sourc thi for dai ongo border disuput and iranian kick uae peopl briefli report thi moon ago don recal read public comment strong protest island abu musa and greater and lesser tunb presum don fourth two island belong iran and time island belong unit arab emir jake livni time error thi not simpli opinion even arab sourc that us not make thi claim thi assum that time refer island that name island abu musa disput and iranian occup that island predat exist uae brad hernlem
talk.politics.mideast	bosnian war take strateg turn bosnian call europ bluff clarinew clarinet nguyen write unit nation upi muslim domin govern bosnia herzegovina ask secur council tuesdai withdraw personnel bosnian territori step lift intern arm embargo yugoslav republ bosnian govern presenc personnel had becom impedi critic decis intern commun withdraw peacekeep and relief worker persuad western govern lift arm embargo muslim defend bosnian serb secur council impos arm embargo yugoslavia fight erupt serb impos know that serbia stockpil weapon and that bosnia will noth defend expert predict massacr earli march secur coucil knew franc and britain oppos propos for militari air strike bosnian serb such strong action lead retali troop and personnel bosnian move tuesdai part bid undermin british and french opposit militari intervent base fear for safeti european peacekeep troop and humanitarian personnel silajdz ambassador unit nation moham sacirbei convei letter secur council member told report that peacekeep mandat modifi withdraw secur council refus acced request govern will anoth step not elabor step govern letter council silajdz presid clinton understood muslim commit and desper plight unit state seek support for lift arm embargo silajdz intern commun not realiz that war bosnia herzegovina war fascist aggress and mainten arm embargo act arrog indiffer fate hundr thousand loyal bosnian citizen plead for defend beseech secur council ceas arm embargo that practic constitut intern intervent legitim right member unit nation silajdz read thi tim clock request secur council member surpris even complaint air bosnian govern for time alli muslim find council align and islam countri call for muslim defens provis enshrin charter
talk.politics.mideast	isra destruct mosqu jerusalem articl witsend session dc witsend tnet write for that matter usa rerout freewai avoid church synagogu and condemn paid and road standard polici for number public project school and sport arena two exampl anticip object that case aren compar not wall count tourist attract that part world make room for traffic twenti second decis for citi council heard case aren compar project freewai requir public hear court action appeal advanc determin restitut and raze moghrabi district east jerusalem happen hour end hostil dai war resid two hour notic pack and find accomod had chanc public hear debat appeal negoti die rubbl jim eggertj mit edu jim eggert
talk.politics.mideast	address turkish genocid apolog turkish histor revis zuma dotag sera zuma serdar argic respond articl innkh minerva ci yale edu pavlov milan yale edu milan pavlov wrote compil liner that print and show friend summer and can kind clown exist chicago check alt fan serdar argic chang fact that period armenian govern order incit assist and particip genocid million muslim peopl race religion and nation origin muslim race muslim nation origin you fool armenian slaughter entir muslim popul van todai muslim armenian armenian slaughter muslim popul bitli todai muslim armenian armenian slaughter muslim popul erzurum todai muslim armenian armenian slaughter muslim popul diyarbakir todai muslim armenian armenian slaughter muslim popul mamuretulaziz todai muslim armenian armenian slaughter muslim popul siva todai muslim armenian armenian slaughter entir muslim popul soviet armenia azeri popul armenia anti armenian pogrom azerbaijan kick and azerbaijan remain muslim stai armenia mccarthi muslim and minor popul ottoman anatolia and end empir york univers press york check page thi turkish suggest refer read turkish censu regist not person gregorian armenian faith van bayazit and twelv erzurum peopl had live eastern anatolia sinc record histori simpli karpat ottoman popul univers wisconsin press check complet titl thi refer includ word such refer cannot support claim garbag sinc thi turkish suggest refer page and tabl state million armenian turkei guess simpli wwi hovannisian armenia road independ univers california press berkelei and lo angel check page thi turkish suggest refer sub titl deport and massacr turkish armenian state author assert that armenian resist van constitut kei factor turkish evacu persia and motiv ittihadist young turk leader annihil turkish armenian question respons for massacr deport ottoman armenian evolv into polem hundr book articl and document publish describ horrifi scene violenc and death writer such british bryce and toynbe french pinon german lepsiu american morganthau and gibbon insist that massacr predetermin and ruthlessli execut refut ottoman govern offici public and justif substanti that anti armenian measur deliber ittihadist even outbreak war fact remain estim hundr thousand million armenian perish month and hundr thousand succumb year ravag diseas famin and refuge life unknown number women and children convert forcibl islam possess turkish men adopt moslem famili shaw armenian collabor invad russian armi histori ottoman empir and modern turkei volum reform revolut republ rise modern turkei london cambridg univers press stanford shaw paid liar revisionist for turkish govern and expos plagiar for exampl expert interview greek professor spyro vryoni nyc nation herald peopl problem face ucla professor stanford shaw due for promot knew turkei man due read knowledg turkish and senior member promot committe for that case sat and read entir treatis histori ottoman empir and modern turkei month and found volum that had plagiar uzun jarsoglu emin turkish specialist ottoman histori shaw claim introduct that treatis outcom year search ottoman archiv leav and manag show volum contain sentenc result plagiar match each sentenc passag origin work had even reproduc error produc page manuscript and submit page report shaw plagiar univers reject report and close meet promot stanford shaw distinguish professor paid price for thi upset process confront entir univers structur and consid chauvinist and madman ask for permiss run seminar shaw book that deni presid univers center for eastern studi grant permiss presid depriv academ freedom luckili dean refus give and run seminar attend academ peopl uncov stanford shaw refus attend punish univers froze rais gochnak armenian newspap publish unit state chanc issu gochnak david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia not learn lesson center for region studi anatolia and forgotten box punish inflict cambridg late turkish presid turgut ozal
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talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian joseph biden had yesterdai senat condemen european lack action and lack support plan and call that moral rape that reason for that religi bigotri moham
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian moham sadek write joseph biden had yesterdai senat condemen european lack action and lack support plan and call that moral rape that reason for that religi bigotri thi strife yugoslavia back long bosinan muslim collabor nazi serbian world war serb muslim thi not fresh case ethnic cleans anoth chapter continu saga intens mutual hatr destruct not take side thi perpetu war not amount religi bigotri helpless regard bring peac region that not even mean word satya prabhakar
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl ejf new ci umn edu prabhak giga umn edu satya prabhakar write moham sadek write joseph biden had yesterdai senat condemen european lack action and lack support plan and call that moral rape that reason for that religi bigotri thi strife yugoslavia back long bosinan muslim collabor nazi serbian world war serb muslim thi not fresh case ethnic cleans anoth chapter continu saga intens mutual hatr destruct not take side thi perpetu war not amount religi bigotri helpless regard bring peac region that not even mean word dont you correct report bosnian muslim support nazi genocid serbian fact that croat govt secret polic call ustach prime agent nazi yugoslavia serb satya prabhakar jave
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl ejf new ci umn edu prabhak giga umn edu satya prabhakar write moham sadek write joseph biden had yesterdai senat condemen european lack action and lack support plan and call that moral rape that reason for that religi bigotri thi strife yugoslavia back long bosinan muslim collabor nazi serbian world war serb muslim thi not fresh case ethnic cleans anoth chapter continu saga intens mutual hatr destruct not take side thi perpetu war not amount religi bigotri helpless regard bring peac region that not even mean word satya prabhakar yeah sorta indian sub contient regard emran
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian prabhak giga umn edu satya prabhakar write moham sadek write joseph biden had yesterdai senat condemen european lack action and lack support plan and call that moral rape that reason for that religi bigotri thi strife yugoslavia back long bosinan muslim collabor nazi serbian world war serb muslim world you thi read histori book you start talk satya prabhakar senad arnautov
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl cbfsb att sadek cbnewsg att moham sadek write joseph biden had yesterdai senat condemen european lack action and lack support plan and call that moral rape that reason for that religi bigotri part sen biden statement quot washington post todai put plainli secretari you requir speak diplomat not cannot even begin express you contempt for european polici that ask particip amount codif serbian victori you encount discourag mosaic indiffer timid delus and hypocrisi held coat kuwait and somalia ask put thousand troop ground order speak and order implement idea safe haven for bosnian not minc word european polici base cultur and religi indiffer not bigotri and fair that thi situat muslim serb thi muslim aggress serbian aggress bad washington post not includ sentenc point that consequ such polici rise anger islam world consequ cannot begin predict biden told report spoke respond europ make clear thi big deal will understand and big deal refus fundament human defens bosnia herzegovina europ and world aid serbian aggress arm embargo forc situat bosnian serb time heavi weaponri bosnian croat and muslim combin such condit easi for serb plai divid and conquer game and muslim and croat strong common interest and alli serbian aggress start fight each lead mutual catastroph final quot secretari state warren christoph rome last week that practic embargo had opposit effect intend made aggress diplomat delud that negoti peac enforc imbal power ground contribut thi tragedi sincer josip
talk.politics.mideast	israel apartheid state not quit articl spam math adelaid edu jaskew spam math adelaid edu joseph askew write articl ninnfo earli bird shaig shai gudai write articl spam math adelaid edu jaskew spam math adelaid edu joseph askew write arab cabinet long and insignific posit assign and thi base sole race not polit belief secur jewish member parti not fellow arab arab stand parti parti sole depend amount polit power can wield effect not question individu stand parti put arab for cabinet post and that arab reject posit jew parti not talk power racism you care deni thi happen occas labour coalit cite specif exampl arab parti member reject jewish parti member accept you examin you will discov that arab parti member not power base that jewish counterpart had parti structur israel chang quit bit knesset member elect knesset member for parti elect primari top stand member end cabinet post thi pure polit power issu check rank arab labor parti member oppos jewsih member and post held jew that rank lower parti arab fellow electe onc for argument sake arab isra vote for labor elect you can rest assur that number arab mk and cabinet member increas proportion power shift not parti individu even belong nice peac zionist mainstream parti not arab exclud ficiti secur ground excus racism you overlook fact that wield polit power individu base wider collect power base arab exclud cabinet even thing you suggest arab you reason happi listen good reason leftist jew secur risk leftist arab parti present cabinet reason work pure polit secur that gaff made wing jew sharon shai gudai stealth bomber softwar engin think machin corp wing ninja ski cambridg
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl iastat edu jakhan iastat edu jave ahm khan write articl ejf new ci umn edu prabhak giga umn edu satya prabhakar write moham sadek write joseph biden had yesterdai senat condemen european lack action and lack support plan and call that moral rape that reason for that religi bigotri thi strife yugoslavia back long bosinan muslim collabor nazi serbian world war serb muslim thi not fresh case ethnic cleans anoth chapter continu saga intens mutual hatr destruct not take side thi perpetu war not amount religi bigotri helpless regard bring peac region that not even mean word dont you correct report bosnian muslim support nazi genocid serbian fact that croat govt secret polic call ustach prime agent nazi yugoslavia serb divison made primerili bosnian muslim volunt quit job yugoslavia wwii folk make occupi posit power bosnia gover
talk.politics.mideast	show washington for bosnia articl cbfsb att moham sadek sadek cbnewsg att write joseph biden had yesterdai senat condemen european lack action and lack support plan and call that moral rape that reason for that religi bigotri moham biden spoke john major architect betray bosnian muslim genocid basic anoth green light hvo ustash and mladic chetnik serial killer rapist and plunder continu genocid bosnian muslim major met rushdi and unaccept that iran death decre disagre person fetwa hack writer rushdi help sell book find interest that major find genocid two million muslim bosnia accept threat singl popular british writer unaccept michael sell depart religion haverford colleg haverford
talk.politics.mideast	show washington for bosnia subject europ muslim bosnian satya prabhakar prabhak giga umn edu date wed gmt articl ejf new ci umn edu satya prabhakar prabhak giga umn edu write moham sadek write joseph biden had yesterdai senat condemen european lack action and lack support plan and call that moral rape that reason for that religi bigotri thi strife yugoslavia back long bosinan muslim collabor nazi serbian world war serb muslim thi kind racialist gener utterli inappropri bosnian muslim cooper nazi world war bosnian muslim risk life hide jew nazi and ustash and jew surviv war rememb that fact jewish leader sarajevo remain repai debt bosnian muslim that save jewish live similarli serb muslim thi group serial killer rapist and thiev control vast yugoslav armi arsen serb oppos atroc serbian heritag condemn emphat genocid carri muslim hvo and mladic forc condemn your gener bosnian muslim and serb thi not fresh case ethnic cleans anoth chapter continu saga intens mutual hatr destruct place earth scene saga mutual hatr and destruct holocaust not fresh case anoth chapter year histori attack jew europ that didn make accept and balkan histori not make genocid bosnian muslim accept not take side thi perpetu war not amount religi bigotri stand and allow arm crimin slaughter bosnian muslim civilian enforc arm embargo bosnian muslim not religi bigotri direct complic mass murder helpless regard bring peac region that not even mean word you region earth that long histori war nato largest militari polic forc world not helpless stop carnag year ago satya prabhakar regard mike michael sell depart religion haverford colleg haverford
talk.politics.mideast	show washington for bosnia articl sreod venu haverford edu michael sell sell haverford edu write subject europ muslim bosnian satya prabhakar prabhak giga umn edu date wed gmt articl ejf new ci umn edu satya prabhakar prabhak giga umn edu write moham sadek write joseph biden had yesterdai senat condemen european lack action and lack support plan and call that moral rape that reason for that religi bigotri thi strife yugoslavia back long bosinan muslim collabor nazi serbian world war serb muslim thi kind racialist gener utterli inappropri bosnian muslim cooper nazi world war bosnian muslim risk life hide jew nazi and ustash and jew surviv war rememb that fact jewish leader sarajevo remain repai debt bosnian muslim that save jewish live similarli serb muslim thi group serial killer rapist and thiev control vast yugoslav armi arsen serb oppos atroc serbian heritag condemn emphat genocid carri muslim hvo and mladic forc condemn your gener bosnian muslim and serb thi not fresh case ethnic cleans anoth chapter continu saga intens mutual hatr destruct place earth scene saga mutual hatr and destruct holocaust not fresh case anoth chapter year histori attack jew europ that didn make accept and balkan histori not make genocid bosnian muslim accept not take side thi perpetu war not amount religi bigotri stand and allow arm crimin slaughter bosnian muslim civilian enforc arm embargo bosnian muslim not religi bigotri direct complic mass murder helpless regard bring peac region that not even mean word you region earth that long histori war nato largest militari polic forc world not helpless stop carnag year ago satya prabhakar regard mike michael sell depart religion haverford colleg haverford
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl iastat edu jakhan iastat edu jave ahm khan write articl ejf new ci umn edu prabhak giga umn edu satya prabhakar write thi strife yugoslavia back long bosinan muslim collabor nazi serbian world war serb muslim thi not fresh case dont you correct report bosnian muslim support nazi genocid serbian fact that croat govt secret polic call ustach prime agent nazi yugoslavia serb world war muslim kill serb serbian led regim two world war croat kill dictatorship introduc jan croat form resist movement ustasha insurg and forc into exil fascist itali shelter exil practic terrorist approach liber croatia croat croatia approach peac negoti leadership vladko macek axi power control second world war vladko macek refus collabor ustasha brought run newli form puppet state thi state includ croatia and bosnia herzegovina and ideolog muslim croat flower croatian peopl muslim bosnia herzegovina join ustasha even not join tito partisan ustasha membership peak croat and muslim popul that area that time wwii muslim consid religi minor descend croat serb convert islam centuri ago decid that forc muslim declar nation serb croat not good polici dobrica cosic current presid rump yugoslavia strongli oppos and sought prevent categori muslim ethnic sens appear censu critic and expel parti sinc that time bosnian muslim consid separ nation deni thi and insist that choos serb croat nation sincer josip
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian recollect histori documentari book slite understand that croat alli germani wwii serb had side russia result serb beat croat not bosnian moslem germani had upper hand even todai russian call serb slovac brother thi issu involv lack activ intervent serb for bosnian moslem not heard allianc germani russia recent histori curiou treat parti thi conflict brutal get todai past histori regard ramin moshiri
talk.politics.mideast	israel apartheid state articl da harvard edu adam endor adam shostack write point convert anoth religion not loos cultur ident loos religi identif disagre convert anoth religion you chang your cultur ident and lose that part you jewish chang part that defin cultur ident loos leg chang person not stop human even get baboon heart that person human part not jeish nation defin cultur and not religion atheist fact convert into jewish term religion consid part jewish nation cultur and religio differ renounc jewish god and accept thou god convers violat thi atheism you wiggl not that differenci agnost atheist atheist not god that command mean lot idea that mean idea chosen peopl idea land israel idea keep kosher idea oppos intermarriag idea torah that inspir god etc atheist cannot support idea jewish nation defin religi principl base religi ident for religion anoth piec constitut cultur ident jewish peopl that peopl cultur ident constitut nation and peopl world state armenian palestinian french and cannot that accept god lost cultur identif adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu aap
talk.politics.mideast	israel apartheid state articl spam math adelaid edu jaskew spam math adelaid edu joseph askew write articl smllm cvill srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu alberto adolfo pinka write that defin belong nation that claim state base religi belief form racism don want muddi water unnecessarili disagre discrimin base religion not and cannot racist sole qualif for religi membership racial antisemit mean anti jewish and not anti person semit form racism mean form segreg base religi identif aap joseph askew
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl cbfsb att sadek cbnewsg att moham sadek write joseph biden had yesterdai senat condemen european lack action and lack support plan and call that moral rape easi for sen biden that troop zepa srebinica sarejevo exist polici certain wrong dictat polici and make europ respons for consequ that polici bosnia big problem for preach countri forc forc safe tuck home gerald
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl srespinnsua mojo eng umd edu josip eng umd edu josip loncar write such condit easi for serb plai divid and conquer game and muslim and croat strong common serb divid croatia and bosnia hercegovina attempt seced yugoslavia rip serb and properti yugoslavia croatian and muslim nation had seced not republ addition secess negoti requir intern mediat secess illeg unilater and act war yugoslavia and not want rip yugoslavia secess nick
talk.politics.mideast	enemi enemi robert friedman villag voic vol xxxviii anti defam leagu turn notion human right head spy progress iv and funnel inform law enforc roi bullock want spy sinc teenag indiana and read led live herbert philbrick cold war saga penetr communist parti for fbi philbrick had becom american folk hero for build dossier unsuspect colleagu time hollywood produc film portrai inform quintessenti american patriot boston philbrick led live fbi inform communist parti member and privat citizen mayor even proclaim herbert philbrick dai and present spy plaqu for bullock shy young man come term homosexu straight arrow life doubl agent perfect hide lifestyl fight communist menac fascin herbert philbrick bullock recent told feder investig and thought infiltr communist part sixth world youth and student festiv moscow american deleg gave fbi full report return photo soviet militari vehicl bullock hook for two year work unpaid inform for fbi found true call paid spy for anti defam leagu activ center biggest domest spy scandal recent american histori scandal that end adl crimin indict san francisco year period compil comput file for adl individu and group polit stripe includ naacp rainbow coalit aclu american indian movement center for investig report pacifica act palestinian and arab group sandinista solidar group american for peac and anti apartheid organ bullock even spi recent slain south african nationalist chri hani visit bai area april sold adl file anti apartheid activist south african intellig meanwhil and adl paid promin beverli hill attornei conduit order conceal financi relationship bullock last month polic raid adl offic lo angel and san francisco bullock home confisc comput file and box document court record bullock file contain driver licens and vehicl registr inform addit crimin histori individu allegedli stolen fbi and polic comput bullock told fbi that copi virtual comput data base had san francisco adl offic base evid inspector ron roth 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spi leftist and communist and share investig file hous committe american activ and fbi adl swung sharpli reagan administr bastion neoconservat irwin suall repent trotskyit head adl power fact find depart real danger jew pose not coalit leftist black and arab view threaten fabric democraci america state israel tradit ideolog soulmat william casei suall direct adl vast network inform code name scumbag ironsid and for spy reportedli pose priest atlanta flipper for year journalist and liber member jewish commun knew adl spi wing hate group long target anti semit organ liberti lobbi and lyndon larouch troubl bullock case reveal that adl spi group that nonviol and progress orient thi appar massiv violat civil liberti end adl crimin indict san francisco investig began human right group face crimin prosecut feloni count includ indict for gain illeg access polic comput sourc close west coast investig per cent that adl will indict wake san francisco investig polic probe adl spy spread part countri receiv numer complaint adl spy sam adam spokesperson for mayor offic portland oregon april harlem base black unit fund york and african american group that bullock allegedli spi wrote district attornei robert morgenthau request investig adl adl action great concern direct and flagrant violat minimum civil right call you join district attornei san francisco bring and end thi latest form mccarthyism gerald mckelvei spokesperson for morgenthau offic evid that warrant sort investig mckelvei add that morgenthau offer assist fbi and san francisco offic pend investig not ask for assist adl acknowledg share inform violenc prone group law enforc offici admit maintain extens file wide varieti organ two page press releas vast major adl file compos new clip magazin articl book journal and document adl made clear that not and will not counten violat law part connect agenc and process leagu gather inform present review insur that law violat that adl for public consumpt moral low that employe 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librari hate group cull materi public speech and inform report bullock adept lead doubl life not long move california ingrati woman john birch societi help gain access group boston offic found file winger keep adl discoveri gave rise specul adl york offic that had penetr bircher bullock focus almost exclus wing extremist group earli adl head milton sinn replac harvei schechter encourag target left year bullock move castro district san francisco pose art dealer and adl fact finder had infiltr local arab commun had expos ensu scandal di bullock order adl penetr arab adl concern american arab anti discrimin committe found south dakota senat jame abourezk combat arab bash page cia dirti trick handbook penetr and destabil bullock join adc and recruit nazi into group appar discredit publish report adl bullock attend nation associ arab american annual congress washington court document bullock told find sourc group fund bullock unabl follow monei such good job ingrati that appoint head naaa deleg that visit congress member nanci pelosi not surpris that adl penetr arab organ acut paranoia explain interest group act bullock concern gai group san francisco heavili infiltr call gai left revolutionari prompt write activ for adl bullock expand horizon move into shadowi realm foreign espionag richard hirschhaut head adl san francisco offic introduc thoma gerard gerard detect san francisco polic depart intellig unit gerard had work demolit expert for cia salvador earli appar had pass interest wing death squad polic search gerard briefcas found extens cia literatur tortur and interrog photo blindfold and chain men passport made gerard name includ thoma clouseau remot jungl island redoubt philippin fled last novemb gerard told lo angel time that will blow lid cia involv latin american death squad indict adl spy case encount adl offic gerard and bullock had lunch mcdonald like tom bullock told san francisco polic investig report interrog obtain voic tom charm roguish charact great deal integr tom gerard finest policemen work absolut honest capabl intellig and percent american long bullock provid gerard confidenti adl report group and individu turn gerard gave bullock classifi polic intellig file local arab american skinhead and bullock told fbi that gerard materi end adl report percent data that name address and sometim physic descript crimin histori rare bullock told investig gerard gave bullock chart that outlin vast network bai area arab american businessmen and organ that allegedli ti middl east terror group surveil photo arab american receiv weapon train oversea bullock claim that custom york gave gerard photo understood that bullock care inform gerard gave and that bullock not releas adl law enforc offic fbi report noth unusu bullock cozi relationship law enforc mid adl swap file hundr offici friend organ euphem for law enforc and intellig sourc adl relationship fbi counterterror offic close that adl report arab american group covert ti middl east terrorist read accid that polic found classifi fbi report entitl popular front for liber palestin pflp york area search adl san francisco offic adl spook investig palestinian and kenyan studi california univers student visa adl discov dissemin pflp literatur inform fbi turn case immigr and natur servic in order student deport subvers adl region director david lehrer gloat lo angel time offic cooper law enforc backped lo angel deport appeal adl work quietli america top cop enjoi similar ti israel spy agenc charg that adl leader vehement deni earli juli adl director benjamin epstein wrote nai rith execut secretari saul joft request for investig inform boast joft addit essenti for oper great and servic unit state depart and isra govern data made countri full knowledg each that sourc adl fbi scrutini wake pollard spy scandal assign navi anti terrorist alert center had access close guard secret jonathan pollard stole thousand page classifi document for israel feder prosecutor fill room size larg closet ten feet six feet six feet pollard handler avi sella isra air forc colonel wife work for york adl lawyer pollard wrote friend that promin adl leader deepli involv isra spy oper proof that connect adl involv pollard evid that adl freeli pass inform isra intellig march fbi interrog david gurvitz adl fact finder lo angel fire suall for illeg obtain polic inform us rival simon wiesenth center fbi pointedli ask gurvitz had transmit inform israel gurvitz admit that had learn law enforc contact that michael elia allegedli member radic plo faction schedul travel san francisco intern airport rout haifa gurvitz phone deputi isra consul gener inform dai page fbi interview gurvitz obtain voic gurvitz call back anoth man isra consul and ask gurvitz repeat inform elia gurvitz not thi man name convers hebrew gurvitz felt confid man isra consul offici name privat citizen that polic found adl file san francisco moham jarad year chicago resid arrest israel januari for allegedli distribut hundr thousand dollar hama larg islam fundamentalist movement occupi territori chicago adl offic run undercov inform work offici friend local law enforc document releas san francisco and sourc close adl fact arab american group surmis that adl pass inform jarad isra intellig techniqu us adl monitor larg arab american commun midwest scan local arab press for funer notic sourc familiar practic adl investig unmark van videotap palestinian funer sometim turn into plo ralli palestinian detain ben gurion airport simpli basi film attend funer chicago suhail miari execut director unit holi land fund cousin arab member israel knesset shortli jarad arrest isra govern announc that hama run america monei and oper instruct relai courier fax israel charg plai front page york time sourc yehudit barski adl fact finder york work close isra offici thi campaign vilif introduc friendli report offici friend chicago law enforc barski fluent arab prepar adl report hama fund america identifi dalla base islam associ for palestin north america front organ for hama infrastructur function interlock network organ small busi and individu activist februari adl report outlin organ develop activ colleg campus and metamorphosi gulf war trace hama fundrais plethora alleg front group plainfield indiana culver citi california doubt that barski compil such sophist data offici friend and adl spi barski refus comment us talk greg slabodkin time week opposit research for aipac spy oper disclos last summer voic level cooper close slabodkin recent phone conserv israel graduat school felt file lack contact adl sha wan jabarin year palestinian human right worker occupi territori won reebok human right award slabodkin recal that barski fax aipac man entir polic file had obtain isra embassi jabarin had arrest numer time israel and onc confess member plo sever tortur jabarin receiv short jail term amnesti intern prison conscienc aipac and adl jabarin terrorist slabodkin order tab receiv award call repres haq palestinian human right group that emploi jabarin obtain itinerari aipac even open file musician jackson brown present jabarin reebok award adl ration close monitor arab and even left wing gai revolutionari harder time explain obsess spy anti apartheid activist david gurvitz told fbi that start work fact finder for adl march adl file bulg inform israel south african connect and anti apartheid group gurvitz confirm that adl routin collect inform person engag anti apartheid activ unit state fbi report gurvitz file adl offic date estim oldest materi anti apartheid activ date back late parallel begin rise power israel and deepen ti jewish state and south africa august report fbi march interview gurvitz anti apartheid demonstr held south african consul lo angel particip demonstr lo angel student coalit and socialist worker parti gurvitz two demonstr plan session and subsequ demonstr wrote report for adl each plan session and demonstr copi report dissemin bullock care san francisco adl offic bullock learn that consul gener south african consul lo angel speak la vega meet organ willi carto head anti semit liberti lobbi suspect that consul gener not willi carto fbi report bullock suggest gerard that want warn south african gerard agre and inform consul gener cancel appear month gerard phone bullock and told south african intellig offic want meet rendezv hotel fisherman wharf south african interest acquir inform american anti apartheid activist south african call humphri ask for inform group that advoc divest gerard present meet fbi report told humphri that gerard had emploi cia humphri offer pai bullock per month exchang for inform bullock note that inform humphri want possess bullock and adl and bullock sold inform south african intellig receiv steadi rais split evenli gerard bullock impress gerard never explicitli told and bullock never ask that gerard tell cia and bullock contact south african fbi report gerard had knew cia resid agent san francisco onc gerard drop bullock bullock resid meet louie replac humphri handler gerard san francisco cia offic gerard task bullock for cia bullock recal that onc had met gerard bullock chicago illinoi conduct investig behalf adl fbi report target investig group call palestin human right campaign bullock learn that woman name delet transport monei plo pflp and unit state bullock told thi gerard gerard told bullock that gerard gui cia gerard ask bullock bullock back chicago gather inform palestin human right campaign bullock never back gerard had close relationship mossad start adl junket israel adl frequent sponsor trip for american law enforc offici israel wine and dine and meet counterpart intellig agenc affidavit san francisco polic inspector roth expens paid trip israel you gift and liaison gestur adl continu close relationship specif law enforc offic unit state gerard like israel short time travel addi ababa help mossad rescu ethiopian jew gerard relationship south africa deepen talk openli exploit cia bullock recal gerard mention that had algeria cia busi and that gerard discuss plo and safehous fbi report thi louie onc respond that isra intellig had determin that plo and african nation congress cooper gerard spoke travel cia afghanistan louie told gerard and bullock adventur insid south africa intellig offic gerard and louie trade war stori and regal each and bullock tale narrow scrape mysteri trigger law enforc investig adl theft classifi fbi report nation islam fbi san francisco offic polic arm search warrant recov report adl san francisco offic gurvitz had copi mira boland director adl fact find divis washington boland prepar piec for washington time argu that nation islam not receiv feder fund for reconstruct group anti semit and violenc prone boland had arrang adl polic junket israel attend gerard testifi crimin trial roanok virginia that had work for cia for month and subcontractor for defens depart join adl trial boland admit share inform cia offici invit adl confer question fbi last fall gerard fled philippin extradit treati america gerard believ suppli inform polic comput not adl israel and south africa san francisco examin report that gerard charg violat feder espionag law bullock work for adl for year and irwin suall prais juli memo number investig adl argu that rogu agent defens adl assert that fact finder oper differ journalist adl offici don journalist file differ practic journal and adl method gather inform couldn strike journalist place inform public domain held account for falsehood distort and libel and for part journalist don share investig file foreign and domest polic agenc adl such inhibit file not open public scrutini fals inform collect ideolog bias research cannot correct onc proud human right group adl becom jewish thought polic adl human right group not for jew for chip berlet highli respect research massachusett base polit research associ monitor wing extremist group that fine can that and spy palestinian blatantli uneth and frankli 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adl divorc realiti farcic friedman even wrong such basic easili determin fact adl found chicago not york and build adl san francisco offic locat not jewish commun feder build pictur adl work fight hater for year spy organ individu and profound respect for law mission monitor and expos anti jewish racist anti democrat and violenc prone and monitor primarili read public and attend public meet year publish score report anti semit eman left and fact friedman bia lead assum contrari adl primari concern extremist organ highli secret sometim adl can learn activ undercov sourc friedman hyperbol notwithstand sourc function manner directli analog investig journalist perform great servic american peopl for exampl uncov exist wing extremist paramilitari train camp recognit and consider person risk inform adl obtain public domain and year adl establish reput for accur report friedman articl contrast contain misinform that articl equal long set record straight exampl state that adl leader deepli 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talk.politics.mideast	show washington for bosnia articl sredr venu haverford edu michael sell sell haverford edu write find interest that major find genocid two million muslim bosnia accept you claim that muslim kill substanti thi utterli ridicul claim nick
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian previou articl sadek cbnewsg att moham senat condemen european lack action and lack support plan and call that moral rape that reason for that religi bigotri moham carnag and genocid sudan two scenario view perspect don you methink flame intend oguocha moham
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write easi for sen biden that troop zepa srebinica sarejevo exist polici certain wrong dictat polici and make europ respons for consequ that polici bosnia big problem for preach countri forc forc safe tuck home gerald ask countri forc ground can forc incompon and ineffect place and will job take can defend thi stink forc ground bosnnian yank vehicl and shot serbian militari can defend thi forc watch shell citi and town everydai can defend and stink forc effect bosnian had almost children casualti ag group talk current forc bosnian muslim insult casualti senat biden thi issu europ sad place critic human right anywher thi world biden bigot come cultur differ and minorti closer home rid minor long long time ago start centuri and adolph care rest centuri naughti expect dare step toe spoil good thing serb todai think yesterdai akgun
talk.politics.mideast	peas justic cann last last opportun for peac articl apr nuscc nu eng nusunix nu ram vikash tiwari write peac talk resum middl east humbl make person observ prospect success failur and stake present talk suspend for month isra expuls palestinian for alleg link extremist islam organis hama futur talk balanc and continu guarante concess israel that parti back negoti tabl stake high and futur stabil region and perhap world balanc resumpt talk goodwil gestur israel involv return exil palestinian jordan occupi territori not palestinian expel decemb group constitut intellectu and profession had exil war for polit stand regard danger choic arab support peac talk illustr dilemma face israel erstwhil arch enemi plo and backer will talk peac wave islam fundamant sweep middl east rise even implac foe banner hama israel continu refus talk plo label terrorist organis window opportun for peac narrow dai present talk allow deadlock agreement for long term and last peac that into account interest involv chanc peac will rece plo decis rejoin talk stake reput success talk longer talk continu and start and half year ago tangibl progress will plo support territori erod urgent need dramat gestur work israel approv that spur peac process and forc arab and palestinian reciproc vagu promis interim govern and return territori evid late good you isra and not arab make substant move answer lie tenou support that talk receiv mass arab peopl and fact israel hold import card land land for peac agreement can reach and real chanc comprehens peac treati good arab onc and for recognis israel exist insid secur border and isreal turn recognis legitim palestinian deternim and statehood peac guarante air tight treati region can hope dwell econom and social popul prepar for war ram vikash tiwari altern peac not depart civil engin war annihil nation univers singapor eng nusunix
talk.politics.mideast	gulf war media offens articl sea smu edu pt sea smu edu paul thompson schreiber write gulf war media offens dougla kellner li time gulf chang part percept arab peopl tend arab tough charact iraqi beg for surrend peopl not gave arab weight peopl tend arab unit peopl fight isreali gulf war arab nation beat iraqi order waiver debt and kuwaiti consistli draw west nation hit iraq peopl start arab world dog cage echo sound bark
talk.politics.mideast	fraud elia davidsson mark ira kaufman write your respons for post quot context your phoni research center sourc unscholarli context agenda ridden and sophmor propaganda that mirror mark
talk.politics.mideast	stop cross post bsadeghi phoenix princeton edu behzad sadeghi write not and repeat not cross post subject soc cultur iranian jew support serb arab leader and bosnia hizballah bosnia stage set that bigotri and hate reach quota for year year behzad earth topic
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl walter bellcor cza troi bellcor akgun write articl alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write easi for sen biden that troop zepa srebinica sarejevo exist polici certain wrong dictat polici and make europ respons for consequ that polici bosnia big problem for preach countri forc forc safe tuck home ask countri forc ground can forc bosnia and cannot impos blue beret countri and vote for current polici and mandat secur council and want veto clinton not demand remov forc want cake and eat dictat polici not respons for polici dictat clinton ask for blue beret leav bill clinton becom respons for happen and sen biden and friend want fight war long blue beret clinton can us europ scapegoat for american indecis fulli admit that current polici approv major power includ wrong inappropri back seat driver clinton and biden bunch hypocrit for gimmick assuag conscienc and demand action leadership and european leader smart differ american hot air and american leadership senat biden thi issu europ sad place critic human right anywher thi world biden bigot come cultur differ and minorti closer home biden outrag hell doesn resolut senat for declar war commit forc and troop biden full hot air gerald
talk.politics.mideast	peas justic cann last last opportun for peac articl xknc ulowel ulowel edu cshi ulowel edu godada shi write articl apr nuscc nu eng nusunix nu ram vikash tiwari write that parti back negoti tabl stake high and futur stabil region and perhap world balanc israel continu refus talk plo label terrorist organis window opportun for peac narrow dai present talk allow deadlock agreement for long term and last peac that into account interest involv chanc peac will rece plo decis rejoin talk stake reput success talk longer talk continu and start and half year ago tangibl progress will plo support territori erod land for peac agreement can reach and real chanc comprehens peac treati good arab onc and for recognis israel exist insid secur border and isreal turn recognis legitim palestinian deternim and statehood peac guarante air tight treati region can hope dwell econom and social popul prepar for war ram vikash tiwari posit influenc enjoi parti favor negoti process tenuou local elect hebron that plo expect win perhap ad bit flag posit legitimaci ey palestinian and middl east disrupt hama action overtli direct undermin and west bank elect present rule isra labor coalit thin polit ic palestinian deleg reduc protest israel lack serious talk and refus revers deport immedi hopefulli each parti will begin learn that fact that negoti take place not mean give side favorit argument rejectionist hope that discus and inevit disagr major issu lead time agreement smaller interim phase term prefer step tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin
talk.politics.mideast	israel not apartheid state articl da harvard edu adam endor adam shostack write articl spam math adelaid edu jaskew spam math adelaid edu joseph askew write not question individu stand parti put arab for cabinet post and that arab reject posit jew parti not talk power racism not necessarili shai point polit appoint base power base favor ow coalit build and deal make not you understood occas minor parti put arab for cabinet posit that major parti labour thi case agre that minor parti can seat and that parti nomin arab for thi not accept major parti insist minor parti appoint jew favour ow deal settl remain exactli sit cabinet parti that get seat arab that not accept thi racism noth polit joseph askew joseph askew gauch and proud autumn still pleiad jaskew spam math adelaid edu remot thorni desert fell grief disclaim sue care north tent sky end somwher brenda pale river murmur
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl ejf new ci umn edu prabhak giga umn edu satya prabhakar write thi strife yugoslavia back long bosinan muslim collabor nazi serbian world war serb muslim thi not fresh case don faintest idea literatur you refer thi explicit statement document your interpret statement such literatur thi figment your imagin nazi armenian propaganda movi script case fascin piec analysi fact sourc walker christoph armenia surviv nation york martin press thi gener pro armenian work contain inform direct relev nazi holocaust dro butcher dictat soviet armenia and architect genocid million muslim respect nazi armenian leader establish armenian provision republ berlin world war thi provision govern fulli endors and espous social theori nazi declar and armenian member aryan super race publish anti semit racist journal therebi align nazi and effort extermin jew and mobil armenian armi member fought side side wehrmacht fact nazi armenian europ had establish vast network pro german collabor that extend two contin thousand armenian serv german armi and waffen russia and western europ armenian involv espionag and column activ for hitler balkan and arabian peninsula promis independ state german protect agreement sign armenian nation council copi thi agreement can found congression record novemb document thi side atlant nazi armenian awar brethren allianc had express pro nazi sentiment america enter war jew assembl for doom nazi concentr camp nazi armenian germani form armenian battalion fight alongsid nazi thi battalion had grown into battalion strong command dro butcher dictat soviet armenia and architect cold blood genocid million turk and kurd armenian nation council form notori dashnak parti leader berlin recogn nazi encourag thi armenian summarili form provision govern that endors and espous fulli principl nazi and declar member aryan super race and full particip hitler polici extermin jew thi armenian nazi conspiraci jew wwii encor perform stage armenian wwi back stab and extermin million muslim collud invad russian armi serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	muslim women and children openli massacr armenian articl xbkw new cso uiuc edu hovig uxa cso uiuc edu hovig heghinian write and copi month armenian come imag consciou armenian sore feel miss glori background armenian never achiev statehood and independ subservi and engag undermin scheme ruler commit genocid muslim popul eastern anatolia and soviet armenia and world war and fulli particip extermin european jewri world war belliger genocid back stab rebelli and disloyalti hallmark armenian histori obliter episod armenian engag tailor histori suit whim thi zeal cover cold blood genocid million turk and kurd and world war and justic long overdu sourc document volum document archiv cabin drawer file section content divis command militia command ismail hakki for dai armenian forcibl obstruct peopl leav home villag dai and night round male inhabit take unknown destin noth heard inform statement succeed escap wound massacr taskilis ruin women and children openli murder gather church squar and similar place inhuman and barbar act commit moslem for dai document archiv cabin drawer file section content caucasian armi corp command caucasian armi corp command commun zone inspector command armi gener almost russian unit opposit front withdrawn popul loyal region russian posit face increas threat and suppress cruelti and abus armenian decid systemat annihil moslem popul region occup regularli inform russian command atroc and cruelti and gain impress that author fail restor order serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl xfr apollo goykhman apollo red her write divison made primerili bosnian muslim volunt quit job yugoslavia wwii folk make occupi posit that result watch anti muslim sdpa nazi crook idiot cover crime your fascist armenian grandpar and nazi armenian parent not chanc earli papazian assert patriot pervert that armenian lean fascism and hitler that time not foreseen that armenian activ assum pro german stanc and even collabor world war book deal armenian genocid muslim popul eastern anatolia extrem rightw ideolog tendenc observ dashnagtzoutun long outbreak second world war for exampl zarmooni tzeghagron quot hairenik weekli race forc treasur follow histori that race due innat forc creat nation and secur revert race nation todai germani and itali strong nation live and breath term race hand russia compar weak bereft social sanctiti papazian patriot pervert boston baikar press prefac hairenik weekli fridai april race refug zarmooni april hitler prepar for invas caucasu number nazi armenian leader began submit plan german offici spring and summer souren begzadian paikhar son ambassador armenian republ baku paikhar wrote letter hitler ask for german support armenian nation socialist movement hossank and suggest creation armenian format order educ youth liber armenia spirit nazi idea want unit armenian occupi territori ussr movement and conquer histor turkish homeland paikhar confin serv nazi goebbel propaganda ministri speaker for armenian and french languag radio broadcast armenian languag broadcast produc anoth nazi armenian viguen chanth patrick von zur muhlen muehlen enno meyer berkian zwischen rhein und arax jahr deutsch armenisch beziehungen heinz holzberg verlag oldenburg and establish armenian unit german armi favor gener dro butcher plai import role establish armenian legion assum offici posit view repres men respect organ interest meet place dro and reichsfuehr heinrich himmler end dro discuss matter collabor himmler and long convers ask visit pow camp close berlin himmler provid dro privat car minor problem that soviet nation not aryan subhuman offici nazi philosophi such subject german racism armenian threaten and privileg august armenian had recogn aryan bureau racial investig ministri for domest affair meyer berkian ibid serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian previou articl josip eng umd edu josip loncar wrote world war muslim kill serb serbian led regim two world war croat kill dictatorship introduc jan josip don offend thi question muslim bosnian context that moslem muslim believ islam islam religion and practis part world not not ethin group bosnian muslim ethnic group belong languag speak languag that serb croat western press us word muslim thi bosnian debacl wonder mean muslim moslem knew childhood chang dictionari thi question flame intend oguocha
talk.politics.mideast	fraud elia davidsson articl xqjz new cso uiuc edu narain uiuc edu write mark ira kaufman write your respons for post quot context your phoni research center sourc unscholarli context agenda ridden and sophmor propaganda that mirror mark elia quot find real effect wai get your point across notic that quot recent bui clue nazi man north pete
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl apollo goykhman apollo red her write differ bosnian tribe treat each that draw parallel russian turkestan and serb bosnia typic nazi racist armenian asala sdpa arf can that crimin nazi armenian asala sdpa arf hate muslim for ideolog reason and your crimin armenian grandpar commit unheard crime resort conceiv method despot organ massacr pour petrol babi and burn rape women and girl front parent bound hand and foot girl mother and father and appropri person properti and real estat and todai put azeri unbear condit nation had histori sourc time march corps litter hill karabakh anatol lieven come fire fly azerbaijani forc investig mass kill refuge armenian troop swoop low snow cover hill nagorno karabagh scatter corps appar refuge had shot ran azerbaijani film place flew shown journalist show dozen corps ly part hill azerbaijani claim that di mass kill azerbaijani flee town khodjali seiz armenian last week believ wound frozen death miss squat cabin azerbaijani attack helicopt flew investig claim mass kill suddenli thump undersid aircraft red flash tracer rip past starboard wing and helicopt rock sharpli swung round and deafen burst fire cannon wing helicopt crew return fire had fire armenian anti aircraft post swung round tip starboard and appear dive straight into vallei brown earth swoop head helicopt swung round and contour ground cannon fire repeat blast emerg that civilian helicopt that had escort had land successfulli nakhichevanik east disput enclav nagorno karabakh pick dead had fact attack ground fire and armenian helicopt had armenian helicopt intermitt window cannon fire had thought mistakenli that side group western journalist had embark search and rescu flight that had becom combat mission flight consist civilian passeng helicopt and two soviet attack helicopt azerbaijani servic nicknam fly crocodil for armour parti second crocodil civilian helicopt job land mountain and pick bodi site mass kill attack helicopt give cover fire oper show strike sign disintegr soviet arm forc pilot russian offic azerbaijani offici told that soviet militari helicopt and pilot fight for azerbaijan sign contract fly for helicopt engag combat flown brother offic russian pilot fight for armenian had saturdai agdam airfield heat for armenian control mountain karabakh sheer white wall distanc civilian helicopt pick corps and thi and previou mission that azerbaijani cameraman film dozen bodi hillsid hurri and speed back azerbaijani line azerbaijani gunner last hill plain and safeti gaze pass back airfield agdam bodi civilian helicopt had pick two men small girl cover blood limb contort cold and rigor morti had shot russian pilot tragedi close shave and war nagorno karabakh gave cheer grin polit declin answer que tion and march dinner serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	muslim women and children rape and massacr armenian articl marlin duke edu wiener duke duke edu eduard wiener write cultur russia proper not ukrain attempt prove that russian descend finn ukrainian tatar bulgarian bashkir and croat iranian base specul evid owieneramu stick asala sdpa arf made nose into discuss point and li anxious await sourc cemal kutai ottoman empir vol atroc and massacr commit for long time muslim popul armenian republ confirm accur inform and observ made rawlinson british repres erzurum confirm that atroc commit armenian unit state deleg gener harbord thousand refuge refug kazim karabekir soldier hungri and miser children and wive properti destroi and deleg wit cruelti muslim villag destroi soldier armenian troop arm cannon and machin gun ey karabekir troop and peopl hope that thi oper end sinc begin februari cruelti inflict muslim popul region shuraghel akpazar zarshad and childir increas document inform muslim villag destroi aforement region peopl slaughter possess and livestock seiz young muslim women kar and gumru thousand women and children flee villag beaten rape and massacr mountain and thi aggress properti live chastiti and honour muslim continu respons armenian govern that cruelti and massacr stop order allevi tension muslim public opinion due atroc commit armenian that possess muslim return and that indemn paid that properti live and honour muslim protect serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	and not had moslem kill horribl tortur sourc adventur east rawlinson jonathan cape bedford squar london publish page memoir british offic wit armenian genocid million muslim peopl paragraph moslem villag plain below had search for arm armenian had cloak such search and not had moslem kill horribl tortur had inflict endeavour obtain inform valuabl had hidden armenian awar exist had unabl find serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl ejf new ci umn edu prabhak giga umn edu satya prabhakar write moham sadek write joseph biden had yesterdai senat condemen european lack action and lack support plan and call that moral rape that reason for that religi bigotri thi strife yugoslavia back long bosinan muslim collabor nazi serbian world war serb muslim thi not fresh case ethnic cleans anoth chapter continu saga intens mutual hatr destruct not take side thi perpetu war not amount religi bigotri helpless regard bring peac region that not even mean word satya prabhakar muslim help nazi earth you come such accuus you proof not you public apolog for such statement last time heard nazi pride need bodi carri polit and ideolog and your statment true don you israel us point muslim neighbor palestin allow jewish lobbi and power strong and you true heard you come and you dare that you take side moham
talk.politics.mideast	friend send articl oaf kloster mit edu oaf zurich mit edu write messag mnad mxd ucdavi edu nameless geek szljubi chip ucdavi edu write od feingold call dog babe flesh and not wayn you want tuck your quiver erect back into your slack and catch your woodi allen thi outrag don even dog you you marri ago rememb professor kevin walsh kevin cursor demon
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl yaod cobra unm edu melabdel cobra unm edu moham elabdellaoui write muslim help nazi earth you come such accuus you proof not you public apolog for such statement dope for moham elabdellaoui western univers worldist and islam brain rot made imposs for acquir and analyz fact appropri histori effort mufti jerusalem serv nazi south balkan and set muslim divis document gener nazism and leader principl reson muslim peopl khomeini concept faqih recent exampl such reson fact totalitarian etymolog reason translat islam fair mufti not succe get larg number muslim join small muslim unit manag commit attroc disproportion size muslim peopl enthusiast attempt muslim leader entic muslim peopl serv nazi activ and turkish govern practic nazi overtur even allianc nazi soviet govern made great deal tactic sens last time heard nazi pride need bodi carri polit and ideolog and your statment true don you israel us point muslim neighbor palestin allow jewish lobbi and power strong and you true heard you come and you dare that you take side typic primit muslim psychopatholog psychot behavior hear read disagre fact start whine jew jerk moham you back your mindlessli stupid world countri your brain busi civil world countri joachim carlo santo martillo ajami
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl ftt world std tti world std joachim martillo write articl yaod cobra unm edu melabdel cobra unm edu moham elabdellaoui write muslim help nazi earth you come such accuus you proof not you public apolog for such statement dope for moham elabdellaoui western univers worldist and islam brain rot made imposs for acquir and analyz fact appropri you back your mindlessli stupid world countri your brain busi civil world countri joachim carlo santo martillo ajami joachim restrain involv flame war comment make long for dai flame warrior hope that you refrain such idiot slander winslow madison drop and becom winslow madison note standard disclaim
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian ask countri forc ground can forc incompon and ineffect place and will job take can defend thi stink forc ground bosnnian yank vehicl and shot serbian militari can defend thi forc watch shell citi and town everydai can defend and stink forc effect bosnian had almost children casualti ag group talk current forc bosnian muslim insult casualti senat biden thi issu europ sad place critic human right anywher thi world biden bigot come cultur differ and minorti closer home rid minor long long time ago start centuri and adolph care rest centuri naughti expect dare step toe spoil good thing serb todai think yesterdai akgun infact tuesdai bosnian foreign minist ask formal leav bosnia show hypocraci europ call help serb carri etnic clens murder rape zepa effect help serb carri heinou crime spread conflict report that noth coward call peacemak attempt for fact find mission ham radio oper ly and war plane mean fly thi biggest farc histori world and act repeat and beseig bosnian town heard todai that presid bosnia pressur civil nation appeal stai bosnia hypocr sadli includ clinton administr and that call for referendum bosnian serbian perliment bunch rapist crimin farc and wait for result thi referendum act for you commit ground troop fine lift arm embargo side sinc that serb heavi weapon form feder armi wake west and admit that you uncivil hypocrat and violent bunch thi earth khalid disclaim opinion and noth employ
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write articl cbfsb att sadek cbnewsg att moham sadek write joseph biden had yesterdai senat condemen european lack action and lack support plan and call that moral rape easi for sen biden that troop zepa srebinica sarejevo thi true exist polici certain wrong dictat polici and make europ respons for consequ that polici thi merit not true bosnia big problem for preach countri forc forc safe tuck home gerald thi last statement not true cbo unit state forc armi personel europ not thi includ usmc divis norwai usaf attack aircraft includ model and safe tuck home time maintain mbt half reloc persian gulf aircraft carrier battl group nearbi and marin assault brigad england point ground troop bosnia not true that that american forc safe camp loui understand that administr plan posit troop macedonia reaction thi question dai yesterdai heard that serbia montenegro had impos addit trade sanction bosnian serb rebel thi morn npr report bridg drina verifi that bread truck allow pass bosnia serbian happen muslim state that month ago vehicl even slow for boarder station stop and search turn back heard translat version not speak serbo croatian thi effort part serbia montenegro for reason push boserb into accept thi not good thing peac jai morri
talk.politics.mideast	egypt cut phone line independ muslim state clarinew clarinet bahaa elkoussi write cairo egypt upi despit report and evid contrari foreign ministri spokesman wednesdai deni knowledg measur egyptian author restrict telephon contact state link muslim milit state that cia not control call state that link terror milit fundamentalist etc meanwhil even egyptian expert hate islam movement admit that happen egypt spontan and time reaction govern report such isra radio and iranian offici new agenc irna thi week cairo disconnect telephon line iran sudan pakistan and afhganistan ask telephon commun restrict repres measur egyptian author ibrahim agre can contradict and paragraph upi origin articl titl come egypt human right ethic principl can western media
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl stk innf sune zoo yale edu morri jai yale edu jai morri write understand that administr plan posit troop macedonia reaction thi macedonia yesterdai had request such forc thi sort send nation guard bel air riot south central clinton make polici for imag purpos america deal real problem and assum share respons for problem didn even consult macedonian map yugoslavia for safest place put american troop european hei troop ground yugoslavia bomb can make american media problem that blue beret bosnia dead meat clinton start bomb clinton doesn courag that blue beret leav becom primarili respons bosnian polici and alli clinton cake and eat feel free us american militari power for sake domest polit and domest imag doesn want assum primari intern leadership role and alli bush for fault gulf war leadership come respons and clinton want retain european scapegoat clinton leav european charg and respons freelanc side and freelanc get hot cut and run american public easili fool european leader aren gerald
talk.politics.mideast	mufti meanwhil support genocid bosnian remind muslim hater mention mufti cooper germani reason muslim slaughter world fact blame muslim for nazi and forgiv itali croat and european for real alli hitler blame muslim for support germani enemi enemi time britain colon middl east and respons for atroc muslim region and forgiv germani eventhough creat nazism muslim concern differ nazi germani and antimuslim colonialist britain franc racist anti arab and full arrog and hate wwii and war algeria sudan and place prove that even anti semit not spread germani franc britain happen offici polici germani and will forgiv you set countri free argument wwii behaviour come peopl kill million that war side plain laughabl
talk.politics.mideast	saudi clergi condemn debut human right group ben baz mind and heart blind not ey us respect todai lost minim amount respect that struggl for muslim netter thi gui gave fatwah that saudi arabia can us unit stste attack iraq that fatwah legitim thi that kind clergi islam duti separ religion and polit religion mean offici clergi cairo egypt upi cairo base arab organ for human right aohr thursdai welcom establish last week committe for defens legal right saudi arabia and such group oper arab countri london base and saudi own sharq awsat daili newspap report thursdai dispatch riyadh that higher council ulema muslim scholar wednesdai had unanim proclaim format group illegitim and unaccept statement issu saudi capit council saudi arabia highest religi author unanim proclaim illegitim creation thi committe and inadmiss endors kingdom saudi arabia guid god sharia law and islam court widespread nationwid statement kingdom prevent take grievanc court concern author and that author bulletin announc found committe awar thi council senior clergymen end session tuesdai chairmanship sheikh abdel aziz ben baz warn that format group will consequ not elabor declar and treati protect human right particulalrli discrimin women
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl edison usask oguocha edison usask write previou articl josip eng umd edu josip loncar wrote world war muslim kill serb serbian led regim two world war croat kill dictatorship introduc jan josip don offend thi question muslim bosnian context that moslem muslim believ islam islam religion and practis part world not not ethin group bosnian muslim ethnic group belong languag speak languag that serb croat western press us word muslim thi bosnian debacl wonder mean muslim moslem knew childhood chang dictionari thi question flame intend oguocha usag word muslim bosnia us ethnic term not religi peopl bosnia refer christian bosnian muslim you can make sens that bosnian serb and bosnian muslim languag bosnian muslim beleiv islam thi bosnian muslim friend mine univers texa austin jama
talk.politics.mideast	show washington for bosnia michael sell sell haverford edu write thi not fresh case ethnic cleans anoth chapter continu saga intens mutual hatr destruct place earth scene saga mutual hatr and destruct holocaust not fresh case anoth chapter year histori attack jew europ that didn make accept and balkan histori not make genocid bosnian muslim accept guess that not accept germani chose path aggress simultan that put interest countri peril whether countri risk jew persecut and hitler had imperialist ambit student histori and ask question even for moment you that condo ethnic motiv violenc and kill you dead wrong assur not question thi power countri moral oblig interefer countri interest not threaten cite essai charl krauthamm time thi week that discuss thi issu eloqu for exampl and european countri abandon moral compunct chose not send militari troop bombai hindu rare fit impass rage kill muslim recent not condit interfer foregin countri abstract clarifi resort acrimoni accus religi bigotri and such satya prabhakar
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian moham elabdellaoui write muslim help nazi earth you come such accuus you proof not you public apolog for such statement last time heard nazi pride need bodi carri polit and ideolog and your statment true don you israel us point muslim neighbor palestin allow jewish lobbi and power strong and you true heard you come and you dare that you take side refer page essai local star tribut newspap put conflict perspect will readili admit that author thi area posteer assert that muslim join hand croat and nazi persecut serb case past action not valid legitim happend sincer apolog extent author essai wrong make assert made student histori put thi perspect satya prabhakar
talk.politics.mideast	show washington for bosnia articl new ci umn edu prabhak giga umn edu satya prabhakar write michael sell sell haverford edu write thi not fresh case ethnic cleans anoth chapter continu saga intens mutual hatr destruct place earth scene saga mutual hatr and destruct holocaust not fresh case anoth chapter year histori attack jew europ that didn make accept and balkan histori not make genocid bosnian muslim accept guess that not accept germani chose path aggress simultan that put interest countri peril whether countri risk jew persecut and hitler had imperialist ambit student histori and ask question record alli activ face incontrovert evid nazi rot hell point conclus that noth railwai camp not bomb despit eas place refug allow bare pittanc jew europ primarili for public relat that govern ship refuge turn shore found refug cuba south america sunk had return europ predict consequ hope todai that collect learn lesson and complac ignor countri intern affair sad realiti that thi not case sean philip shlomo engelson yale depart comput scienc box yale station haven
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian jovanov nick yale edu nick jovanov write articl srespinnsua mojo eng umd edu josip eng umd edu josip loncar write such condit easi for serb plai divid and conquer game and muslim and croat strong common serb divid croatia and bosnia hercegovina attempt seced yugoslavia rip serb and properti yugoslavia croat that divid left serbian provinc vojvodina muslim that divid left region sanjak that belong serbia serb croatia and bosnia hercegovina want determin croat and muslim and albanian and hungarian serbia serbia exempt nick senad
talk.politics.mideast	show washington for bosnia subject show washington for bosnia nick jovanov jovanov nick yale edu date articl srplfinnkth minerva ci yale edu nick jovanov jovanov nick yale edu write articl sredr venu haverford edu michael sell sell haverford edu write find interest that major find genocid two million muslim bosnia accept you claim that muslim kill substanti thi utterli ridicul claim not claim kill middl genocid process that major anoth green light mladic boban get appetit whet mladic refus intern observ inspect mass grave site and kill center place foca brcko and visegrad will year accur account number kill practic term imposs kill isn kind machineri crematoria and ga chamber and transport line that nazi year develop and rememb nazi kill minor countri occupi kill popul requir extrem genocid organ claim that goal genocid systemat annihil bosnian muslim cultur kill feasibl rape tortur demolit mosqu librari and cultur artifict burn and renam villag shell civilian that won muslim live not shatter genocid aliv and major not find thi accept help make that victim don arm defend nick mike michael sell depart religion haverford colleg haverford
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write problem that blue beret bosnia dead meat clinton start bomb clinton doesn courag that blue beret leav becom primarili respons bosnian polici and alli clinton cake and eat feel free us american militari power for sake domest polit and domest imag doesn want assum primari intern leadership role and alli bush for fault gulf war leadership come respons and clinton want retain european scapegoat thi ridicul argument heard european serb massacr rape and ethnic clean bosnian don want pretti blue beret scratch hell you worri for don deni bosnian basic defens lift embargo bosnia and defend make troop valuabl bosnian peopl let civilian die soldier surviv idiot owen expect bosnian swallow forc plan and hope thi problem will wrong had butt gear that bosnia had oil year ago thi prevent result thi tragedi will last for gener that forc jew make peac hitler yeah thi senat biden reek bigotri and make and decent human for that matter quit sick european not american init and for support thi backyard not american todai bosnia tomorrow will kosovo and macedonia greec and turkei and damn thing will spread not mention european muslim weren even practic will ralli fundament good luck handl that your majesti owen upset question compar chamberlain hope appeas hitler that chamberlain had munich year war blaze war for last month that make even wors chamberlain argu give germani benefit doubt owen can even that west aid serb ty bosnian hand and make stupid excus powerless troop ground can even protect bosnian foreign minist armor vehicl and watch killer walk kind peac thi kind civil thi clinton leav european charg and respons freelanc side and freelanc get hot cut and run american public easili fool european leader aren european leader pathet and help genocid even will not forget yeah africa and fight for damn dictat coloni kuwait and fight for oil bosnia not won fight aggress even tie hand victim you fool gerald mash javad
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian subject europ muslim bosnian oguocha date gmt articl edison usask oguocha edison usask write previou articl josip eng umd edu josip loncar wrote world war muslim kill serb serbian led regim two world war croat kill dictatorship introduc jan josip don offend thi question muslim bosnian context that moslem muslim believ islam islam religion and practis part world not not ethin group bosnian muslim ethnic group belong languag speak languag that serb croat western press us word muslim thi bosnian debacl wonder mean muslim moslem knew childhood chang dictionari thi question flame intend oguocha you ask crucial question that underli genocid bosnian muslim slavic ethnic speak serbo croatian christo slavic ideolog true slav christian and convert islam therebi chang ethnic chang religion poem ngego novel ivo andric brilliantli displai attitud part call peopl christian slav for thi reason war crimin call bosnian muslim turk even not ethnic turk and not speak turkish languag for thi reason genocid label ethnic ident religi call paradox ethnic cleans religi cleans war rage serb and croat continu wwii and older agenda annihil islam and muslim bosnian carri cover serbo croat war regard mike michael sell depart religion haverford colleg haverford
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talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl edison usask oguocha edison usask write don offend thi question muslim bosnian context bosnian muslim citizen bosnia herzegovina identifi bosnian muslim cultur and religi tradit that moslem muslim believ islam islam religion and practis part world not not ethin group bosnian muslim ethnic group belong languag speak languag that serb croat bosnia muslim not religi categori ethnic two contradictori argument made peopl thi subject serbian and croatian nation and bosnian muslim simpli croat and serb islam faith bosnian muslim separ nation sinc not feel croat serb argument accept yugoslavia valid and soundli reject reason pragmat even bosnian muslim croat and serb convert islam turkish rule centuri ago present gener clue ancestor actual nation fact bosnian muslim felt drawn croatian serbian nation allegi feel separ cultur and histor ident argument your ancestor croat serb carri weight ancestor long bosnian muslim feel that separ nation group that end debat outsid simpli not relev western press us word muslim thi bosnian debacl wonder mean muslim moslem knew childhood chang dictionari thi question flame intend case yugoslavia date muslim nation appear censu categori for time thi result sequenc decis past decad recogn bosniak ethnic group februari resolut declar that muslim separ nation formal endors thi januari and eventu inclus muslim nation choic censu form for comparison censu nation categori muslim bosnia herzegovina serb muslim croat muslim muslim ethnic undeclar thi demonstr that muslim feel nation tini minor felt choos serb croat nation censu result show that bosnian muslim consist opt for categori chose undeclar chose yugoslav yugoslav and bosniak ethnic group and and chose muslim nation perhap term bosnian muslim nation confus for rest world present context talk muslim nation not relig group separ nation ident reason histor and cultur religion plai smaller role part cultur gener area simpli not for religi fanatic polit fanatic religi fanatic group secur and surviv domin peopl think not fine point theologi fact bosnia herzegovina for religi toler peacetim for terribl carnag wartim sincer josip
talk.politics.mideast	opinion poll net citizen thi desper save last univers write studi net start peopl live explain basic work that includ you reader thi messag grate your answer question for year you that internet exist you us net occas per month whatfor hobbi your profess sociali you access net univers profess friend privat net role that media plai telephon newspap girlfriend newsgroup type inform you part male femal ag you time your futur vision net limit and possibl you hope law and censorship will chang time ahead want apolog for take bandwidth thi thi request spread newsgroup chosen random you term end close panic spread email address hik hik sincer respect and forc you peter henrik
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl stjjb pep transfer stratu khalid bunc stratu khalid chishti write for you commit ground troop fine lift arm embargo side sinc that serb heavi weapon form feder armi wake west and admit that you uncivil hypocrat and violent bunch thi earth khalid easi blame west for indiffernc real bosnian suffer moslem world billion stop thi massacr oil rich arab state make bosnian crise nation interest west for european can night don blame west and ask don put life into danger choic muslim sleep not west wide awak save face akgun
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl venu haverford edu michael sell sell haverford edu write war rage serb and croat continu wwii and older agenda annihil islam and muslim bosnian carri cover serbo croat war annihil islam turk older serbian agenda strongli disput your notion that croat had similar older agenda fact for past centuri two croat and muslim lot common and gener had friendli relat your suggest that croat muslim relationship serb muslim relationship complet wrong that croat and muslim lot common not impli not separ peopl event past two year show muslim determin remain separ allianc croat maintain thi separ croat accept closer relationship thi centuri build bridg two friendli peopl risk inexor logic war sinc bosnian serb popul time heavi weapon bosnian muslim and croat combin squeez muslim and croat into territori muslim lost territori croat built defens earli condit allianc bound fall apart sinc easier recov lost land croat serb thing keep thi check hope revers fortun foreign militari intervent and lift arm embargo sinc warren christoph had luck persuad european thi thi hope dash prospect alli turn each two starv anim tight cage thi inexor logic plenti serbian intellig oper build mistrust croat and muslim for year time intervent stop serbian aggress prevent thi sadli noth creat balanc power ground long serb enjoi advantag can break allianc even friend thi tragic divid impera us ancient roman success view bosnian muslim and croat manag resist thi divis strategi hope revers fortun lost question for distinguish diplomat balkan peopl experiment cannon fodder expect decid enforc arm embargo solidifi serbian advantag heavi weapon expect prevent fragment muslim and croat defens forc and earth hope restor peac justic implic thi immor approach cannot begin predict fill forebod sincer josip
talk.politics.mideast	mufti meanwhil support genocid bosnian not condemn mufti for nazi lean and condemn support condemn similarli genocid kill innoc muslim not bosnoia herzegovina hatr and bigotri remain that matter practic yaakov internet yzkcu cunyvm cuni edu
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl utoronto arnsenad utoronto senad arnautov write croat that divid left serbian provinc vojvodina muslim that divid left region sanjak that belong serbia croat divid croatia seced yugoslavia croat croatia and serbia countri yugoslavia divid muslim divid seced yugoslavia muslim croatia and serbia countri yugoslavia divid that croat and muslim yugoslavia decid divid not give divid serb yugoslavia croatia and shoulder burden for divid nation unstabl countri nick
talk.politics.mideast	egypt cut phone line independ muslim state articl benali alcor benali alcor concordia ilyess bdira write clarinew clarinet bahaa elkoussi write come egypt human right ethic principl can western media you pretend not know not obedi west evil
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl edison usask oguocha edison usask write previou articl josip eng umd edu josip loncar wrote world war muslim kill serb serbian led regim two world war croat kill dictatorship introduc jan josip don offend thi question muslim bosnian context that moslem muslim believ islam islam religion and practis part world not not ethin group bosnian muslim ethnic group belong languag speak languag that serb croat western press us word muslim thi bosnian debacl wonder mean muslim moslem knew childhood chang dictionari thi question flame intend oguocha oguocha muslim bosnian context fact turk fact correct wrong serb attack bosnian battl cri death turk thi shock year commun appar suppress hatr and anger turk such hatr that di hard serb understand turk longer good barbarian world come propaganda propaganda serb understand that barbar not work serb even understand that barbar dai face counter barbar urg peopl serb stop kill bosnian women and children and never forget that turk motherland watch patient cordial erol esen esen mozart colost edu
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl venu haverford edu michael sell sell haverford edu write you ask crucial question that underli genocid bosnian muslim slavic ethnic speak serbo croatian christo slavic ideolog true slav christian and convert islam therebi chang ethnic chang religion muslim yugoslavia nation not religion fact not muslim follow islam exist yugoslavia christian muslim tito defin muslim nation constitution ad muslim serb croat and sloven found nation enter into voluntari union end wwi addit tito ad two nation constitution montenegrin and makedonijan nation had secess republ not muslim polit term religi term for differenti religion and polit that not christo slavic ideolog that made muslim nation yugoslavia atheist communist ideolog tito tito muslim nation yugoslavia war not religi war and not ethnic war civil war term secess negoti gun pen croat muslim and serb polit leader chose fight term secess compromis and peacefulli negoti multilater secess agreement nick
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl sueslinna minerva ci yale edu jovanov nick yale edu nick jovanov write muslim yugoslavia nation not religion fact not muslim follow islam exist yugoslavia christian muslim yeah that you outdon thi time nick don forget davidian muslim islam not race religion you can white black fijian alaskan guess you didn absorb malcolm interest circul you point islam that stress equal peopl realiz thi difficult for you comprehend your staunch belief serbian ethnic cleans give not that difficult war not religi war and not ethnic war that disneyland war setup for camera peopl man never land moon that apollo stori studio civil war term secess negoti gun pen croat muslim and serb polit leader chose fight term secess compromis and peacefulli negoti multilater secess agreement term secess you joke nick chose fight bosnia and croatia internation recogn nation serb attack and start document genocid that make aggressor simpl genocid classic exampl ethnic cleans question civil war shakil
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl edison usask oguocha edison usask write previou articl sadek cbnewsg att moham senat condemen european lack action and lack support plan and call that moral rape that reason for that religi bigotri moham carnag and genocid sudan two scenario view perspect don you methink flame intend oguocha moham notic that thi scream and shout not person brought question atroc commit muslim sudanes govern that african and care suggest that cut hypocrisi and bleat bosnia and discuss even meaningless report below show that sudanes act finest tradit islam law expound die hard peopl net remain nameless sudan govern troop steal women children washington govern troop sudan involv massacr kidnap and transport forc labor into libya state depart document declassifi wednesdai report compil embassi khartoum govern forc arab militia organ popular defens forc routin steal women and children southern sudan women and girl wive ship north perform forc labor kordofan central sudan farm exprot notabl libya
talk.politics.mideast	hero and coward depopul karabakh armenian articl urartu sdpa org dbd urartu sdpa org david davidian wrote not take side leav state perpetu indecis side thi issu logic time armenian partisan definit thi give not evidenc context licens lie cover revis event question read usenet post agent turkish govern understand side issu thi not mean will advoc side suit such posit make hypocrit not paid agent turkei azerbaijan propon azeri side refer agent such captiolin intern group paid excess month azerbaijan state case unencumb such advocaci prostitut david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia not learn lesson center for region studi anatolia and forgotten box punish inflict cambridg late turkish presid turgut ozal
talk.politics.mideast	russian soldier sentenc death azerbaijan russian soldier sentenc death azerbaijan moscow upi soldier serv russia armi station armenia sentenc death azerbaijani capit baku thursdai for allegedli carri divers and kill azeri soldier statement releas new servic azeri presid abulfaz elchibei sentenc final and not subject protest appeal russian state new agenc itar tass report russian foreign ministri issu appeal for men hand author moscow for punish thi accord modern standard human commit crime statement read men togeth anoth soldier receiv year prison sentenc captur septemb azeri polic kelbadzhar district azerbaijan nagorno karabakh and armenia suprem court baku men had special train compani russian armi armenian capit yerevan across armenian azeri border into nagorno karabakh carri divers azeri troop russian foreign ministri statement claim had desert russian armi and fight mercenari armenian arm forc battl zone round karabakh nagorno karabakh armenian popul enclav azerbaijan for year fight for independ baku war that left thousand dead and uproot hundr thousand home yerevan and baku claim that russian servicemen station caucasian republ left break soviet union fight mercenari karabakh war statement moscow russian side repeatedli appeal azerbaijani govern show human and lenienc treatment six men and hand russian author that presid bori yeltsin letter thi request azeri counterpart elchibei itar tass that soldier defens attornei had lodg appeal for clemenc david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia not learn lesson center for region studi anatolia and forgotten box punish inflict cambridg late turkish presid turgut ozal
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian reddi write report below show that sudanes act finest tradit islam law expound die hard peopl net remain nameless washington govern troop sudan involv massacr kidnap and transport forc labor into libya state depart document declassifi wednesdai report compil embassi khartoum govern forc arab militia organ popular defens forc routin steal women and children southern sudan women and girl wive ship north perform forc labor kordofan central sudan farm exprot notabl libya peopl claim muslim action report happen degre opposit islam stand for and for condemn nizam arain make univers hard comprehend internet narain uiuc edu that noth nextmail narain sumter cso uiuc edu compar
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl sufneinn curi systemsi yale edu ahm shakil yale edu shakil waiz ahm write articl sueslinna minerva ci yale edu jovanov nick yale edu nick jovanov write muslim yugoslavia nation not religion fact not muslim follow islam exist yugoslavia christian muslim yeah that you outdon thi time nick don forget davidian muslim islam not race religion you can white black fijian alaskan guess you didn absorb malcolm interest circul you point islam that stress equal peopl realiz thi difficult for you comprehend your staunch belief serbian ethnic cleans give not that difficult white knight for islam ride instant expert religion race and ethnic door stand back singl handedli rescu islam dastardli mistak misquot misconcept war not religi war and not ethnic war that disneyland war setup for camera peopl man never land moon that apollo stori studio civil war term secess negoti gun pen croat muslim and serb polit leader chose fight term secess compromis and peacefulli negoti multilater secess agreement term secess you joke nick chose fight bosnia and croatia internation recogn nation serb attack and start document genocid that make aggressor simpl genocid classic exampl ethnic cleans question civil war shakil occur you that such thing bosnian serb aren necessarili outsid and you you pontif bit your islam pal sudan run amuck south kidnap women and children and essenc thing come don hear your wonder treatis happen
talk.politics.mideast	new that miss articl vext lxn boni boni jake boni boni jake livni write articl ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem write that british iranian and uae refer occupi territori mean territori disput israel not affair suppos for reason jew call occupi territori judea and sumaria call propaganda and you repeat li peopl start
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl apb new ci umn edu prabhak giga umn edu satya prabhakar write refer page essai local star tribut newspap put conflict perspect will readili admit that author thi area posteer assert that muslim join hand croat and nazi persecut serb case past action not and evid you can find second hand hearsai unnam sourc you confus muslim nazi armenian altogeth nazi armenian serv unit german wehrmacht ara berkian predominantli armenian armi unit german armi unit work unit and waffen number nazi armenian volunt franc greec rumania and bulgaria had chosen commit german war effort derounian that dashnag armenian franc bore mark legion armenienn that nazi armenian dro butcher and nezhdeh side german had impact decis armenian overwhelmingli opt for arm servic enno meyer berkian zwischen rhein und arax jahr deutsch armenisch beziehungen heinz holzberg verlag oldenburg john roi carlson arthur derounian armenian displac person ibid fall armenian infantri battalion and form battalion and spring second half infantri battalion and creat battalion togeth indigen caucasian unit attach infantri divis attach field battalion and form and altogeth twelv armenian battalion serv nazi armi battalion not emploi time includ battalion command nazi armenian offic armenian wore german uniform armband dashnag colour red blue orang and inscript armenien joachim hoffmann di ostlegionen turkotataren kaukasi und wolgafin deutschen heer verlag rombach freiburg collabor nazi stalin second world war nazi armenian chang polici hitler defeat back stalin claim eastern turkish provinc hope that annex soviet armenia and muslim popul extermin stalin plai armenian nation sentiment enlist support armenian ussr and america for imperi ambit stalin ultimatum turkish govern led truman formul famou doctrin walter kolarz religion soviet union london macmillan york martin press serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl iminnnap mojo eng umd edu josip eng umd edu josip loncar write and soundli reject reason pragmat even bosnian muslim croat and serb convert islam turkish rule centuri ago present gener clue ancestor actual nation fact forc disagre you born turkish muslim parent turkish land can turk provid thi person call turk design turk not genet featur not racial religi featur matter identifi turkish valu secondli observ western written french ahmet cevat turk had behav christian us forc convert islam nation brought power oppos todai eastern problem turk not obei word koran permit worship centuri frederick great pronounc famou dictum ag christian europ shed christian blood and peopl europ enjoi inflict inhuman tortur belief differ ottoman empir sole countri inquisit not exist death stake unheard and accus witchcraft not made and barbarian turkei countri jew persecut and chase christian find asylum fact demonstr that muslim countri provid spiritu live condit christian countri turk conquer nation not turkifi nation that rule respect religion and tradit stroke luck for romania live turkish rule russian austrian rule not romanian nation todai popescu ciocanel turk rule peopl administr extern interf intern structur account thi autonomi minor turkei and complet advanc european countri human be hate each account religi differ thi flaw older islam and christian never exampl thi adjur turkei turk never oppress account religion enmiti basi religion had such case simpl contempt not translat into action nation europ consid happi mortray turkei never scene for religi terror for cruelti inquisit contrari serv asylum for unfortun victim christian fanatic you into histori you will that fifteenth centuri thousand jew expel spain and portug found such good asylum turkei that descend live calmli approxim hundr year and forc defend countri cruelti christian that orthodox jew public easter celebr athen even todai turkei israelit insult greek and armenian commun local court immedi protect that vast and calm countri sultan religion and nation live togeth peacefulli mosqu superior church and synagogu not replac thi cathol sect free istanbul and smyrna compar pari and lyon addit fact that law turkei prohibit open air ceremoni thi sect law imprison cross church dead grave long line priest bear procession candl and chant cathol hymn priest church galata and beyoglu district into street and form cleric process eucharist celebr chant hymn and bear cross and religi banner detach soldier escort forc even turk stand respect group priest ubicini djevat yabancilara gore eski turkler istanbul ibid ibid ibid serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	jew constantli fear armenian greek attack articl zmb new cso uiuc edu ptg uxa cso uiuc edu pano tamamidi write simpli want thing for greek turkei turkish state recogn crime greek minor pardon histori show that last year greek plai that game twice us istanbul patriarch grigorio instig morea rebellion that result massacr muslim peopl orthodox patriarch constantin invit russian czar nichola invad ottoman empir name jesu and save flock ottoman rule sourc past mediev and modern greek cultur spero vryoni byzantina kai metabyzantina vol malibu calif word professor skioti savag jubil greek sang word turk remain morea world greek determin achiev romaiko knew war religi extermin leader ashkenazi commun corlu complain presid aiu allianc israelit universel persist greek attack jewish quarter fanat greek citi place thrace habit contrari spirit real christian make replica juda iscariot and burn night holi saturdai construct wooden figur cover cloth claim that ancient jew and burn publicli middl multitud ignor and fanat happen that thi multitud excit tale suffer christ that made church exault appear execut suppos betrai christ and work great anger jew for long time that each year such dai will cut head and arm corps cemeteri and will burn great solemn make complaint thi order not creat differ two commun thi audaci mad fanat increas ourselv flame and hear cri hatr and vengeanc jew ashkenazi commun corlu aiu aiu archiv pari report print tiempo sourc professor stanford shaw jew ottoman empir and turkish republ york univers press york page immedi enact organ statut for jewish commun and jewish capit europ begin effect istanbul local armenian and greek start pogrom jew immedi across sea marmara haydarpasa terminu anatolia railroad hundr jew massacr and beaten and rape disturb stop sultan person guard across bai protect jew year ritual murder attack jew carri nativ greek armenian and arab provinc maronit and arab christian assist local european consul place empir liter thousand incid continu world war southeastern europ west and north monastir and kavalla istanbul gallipoli and dardanel salonica and arab provinc south damascu and beirut and egypt cairo and alexandria invari result accus spread ottoman christian word mouth publish newspap christian financi and merchant anxiou jewish competitor divert jew muslim anger report christian massacr muslim southeastern europ central asia result individu and mob attack jew and burn shop and home individu experi horribl jew constantli fear armenian greek attack street ottoman citi egypt and syria greek led case assist local armenian and syrian christian greek arab and french languag newspap print rumor find jew evid desir instig violenc syrian arab christian spread long stand anti semit hatr syria egypt monopoli local press and espous popular such egyptian nation and opposit british rule enabl spread anti jewish messag muslim mass question opposit june sir evelyn bare lord cromer british high commission egypt receiv report david and nissim ad cairo sir beg sir draw your attent violent articl sic appear arab paper call mahroussa contain noth li and fals accus jew issu and instant sir anti semit parti amidst fanatic greek armenian etc allow continu poison peopl mind exagger and paint word articl assert that jew us christian blood for passov thi caus deal excit whenev greek and orthodox religi author promin greek busi leader consul ask stem violenc reduc tension invari cooper and fail prevent attack punish stimul led leader ashkenazi commun corlu complain presid aiu allianc israelit universel persist greek attack jewish quarter fanat greek citi place thrace habit contrari spirit real christian make replica juda iscariot and burn night holi saturdai construct wooden figur cover cloth claim that ancient jew and burn publicli middl multitud ignor and fanat happen that thi multitud excit tale suffer christ that made church exault appear execut suppos betrai christ and work great anger jew for long time that each year such dai will cut head and arm corps cemeteri and will burn great solemn make complaint thi order not creat differ two commun thi audaci mad fanat increas ourselv flame and hear cri hatr and vengeanc jew tiempo april galant istanbul galant document enclos bare lord salisburi cairo june reprint landau ritual murder accus jacob landau ritual murder accus and persecut jew nineteenth centuri egypt sefunot for exampl report baiu bulletin allianc israelit universel deuxiem seri pari semestr galant report similar difficulti greek religi leader teach rhode ashkenazi commun corlu aiu aiu archiv pari report print tiempo serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	baltic state and realism and virvir drivel articl husc harvard edu verbit brauer harvard edu mikhail verbitski write mental diseas patient repeat sentenc and respons kind intrus mutlu similar symptomat differ that bigger databas your level understand dear friend mutlu thought that nice and you genocid apologist point your articl reflect your abund ignor ignor main reason you histor revisionist such mess you even make nazi crimin armenian laugh soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul power tear veil illus that creat for ourselv sever artifici life support system imagin ethnic puriti that fals trust structur that can support heart beat thi alien land sahak melkonian preserv armenian puriti analog jewish holocaust systemat extermin entir muslim popul independ republ armenia consist percent popul that republ memoir armenian armi offic particip and ey wit atroc publish titl men that refer abound rachel bortnick jewish time june men that leonard hartil bobb indianapoli memoir armenian armi offic translat english and publish member american east relief organ account genocid turkish and moslem peopl armenia organ and execut armenian govern and armi account countless massacr and atroc turkish peopl armenia adventur east rawlinson dodd mead eyewit account genocid british armi offic world aliv person stori robert dunn crown publish inc york anoth eyewit account genocid american offic sardarapat serv and lousann aveti aharonian armenian review magazin volum fall spring memoir chief armenian deleg pari peac confer publish armenian review magazin articl volum fall volum spring memoir includ interview aharonian and british foreign minist lord curzon mention genocid discuss offici report mention lord curzon report british high commission caucasia sir oliv wardrop kill turk and kurd wherev you find and circumst you find turkish children kill form danger armenian nation hamparsum boyadjian varandian histori dashnaktsutiun sourc hovannisian richard armenia road independ univers california press berkelei and lo angel addit kar and batum oblast empir increas area transcaucasia squar mile estim popul entir region percent armenian percent georgian and percent moslem group tatar paradox bare transcaucasia armenian live erevan guberniia christian constitut major uezd erevan uezd administr center provinc had armenian compar moslem time russian censu armenian had establish scant major percent guberniia had risen percent inhabit thi impress chang provinc ethnic charact notwithstand ev creation armenian republ solid block tartar continu domin southern district outskirt ereven border persia map histor armenia and map administr subdivis transcaucasia percent turk close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for tartar and proceed work extermin troop surround villag villag resist offer artilleri knock hut into heap stone and dust and villag unten and inhabit fled into field bullet and bayonet complet work tartar escap found refug mountain succeed cross border into turkei rest kill and that length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki hot plain ararat cold mountain plateau north dot mute mourn ruin tartar villag quiet villag for howl wolv and jackal that visit paw scatter bone dead ohanu appressian men that serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	tradit and histor armenian barbar and fascism apr moscow upi horribl peopl wive and children men leav defens posit total anarchi mekhman aliyev spokesman for azerbaijani presid aliyev peopl quarter civilian rest govern soldier had kill and wound assault armenian fighter serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	unspeak crime soviet armenian govern right articl new uiowa edu mau herki uiowa edu mau napoleon write greek not turk not plan improv thi for you for thousand year turkish and kurdish peopl live homeland last hundr oppress soviet and armenian occup persecut culmin armenian govern plan and carri genocid muslim subject million turk and kurd murder and remaind driven homeland thousand year turkish and kurdish land empti turk and kurd survivor found safe heaven turkiy todai soviet armenian govern reject turk and kurd return muslim land occupi soviet armenia todai soviet armenia cover genocid perpetr predecessor and accessori thi crime human soviet armenia pai for crime genocid muslim admit crime and make repar turk and kurd turk and kurd demand return land determin futur nation homeland thi occas onc reiter unquest justic restitut turkish and kurdish right and demand that soviet armenian govern admit respons for turkish and kurdish genocid render repar muslim peopl and return land right owner recognit genocid becom issu cannot delai and imper that artifici obstacl creat for polit manipul remov time come demand unit state that formal recogn turkish and kurdish genocid adopt principl demand and refus acced armenian pressur contrari taxpay unit state express vehement protest present govern polici continu coddl protect and unqualifi assist soviet armenia territori demand strictli aim soviet armenia sourc sardarapat sevr and lausann aveti aharonian armenian review vol autumn sep second paragraph your chief dro hamazasp and kulkhandanian ringlead band destroi tartar villag and stage massacr zangezour surmali etchmiadzin and zangibasar thi intoler and point file offici document tabl thi decemb report last month ruin tartar villag repres wardrop offici tartar communiqu speak destruct villag paragraph repeat thi massacr tartar stop and chief not remov your militari leadership can suppli you arm and ammunit arm band led dro hamazasp and kulkhandanian past month raid and destroi tartar villag region surmali etchmiadzin zangezour and zangibasar offici charg massacr serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	israel apartheid state not quit articl srg cinnj earli bird shaig shai gudai write articl spam math adelaid edu jaskew spam math adelaid edu joseph askew write cite specif exampl arab parti member reject jewish parti member accept you bottom thi articl you will that kindli dug yigal aren previou post permiss hope doesn mind contain translat arezt detail such case perhap you that arezt li you provid assur that thi practis never occur you examin you will discov that arab parti member not power base that jewish counterpart had arab vote israel for long and that time not arab gain person fellow parti member put ministri thi like sprout wing and fly rio basi you for explain thi odd failur you confid that you exactli you you onc for argument sake arab isra vote for labor elect you can rest assur that number arab mk and cabinet member increas proportion power shift exactli basi you for thi labour parti never put arab into cabinet post and insist coalit member and basi you reassur face year discriminatori practis you overlook fact that wield polit power individu base wider collect power base hei even parti put knock back sure couldn arab reason work pure polit secur that gaff made wing jew sharon secur reason peopl want make excus thought crop and pre empt start articl commet mine not aren comment squar bracket mine yigal front juli translat aretz articl racism knesset coalit requir hand and presenc progress mk meretz coalit compel rabin and friend chang extent attitud arab public and repres knesset refus view partner take part coalit and join govern agre meet and give document intent includ commit work decreas discrimin jewish and arab citizen decreas poster told time and that such discrimin not exist rabin closet hater yigal racism not disappear knesset sat staff committe request made put hadash communist parti arab parti yigal state comptrol committe and that stir storm includ rank labor sinc knesset member find unthink that arab sit import hous committe secur secret liabl fall into hand thi attitud recent had not even arous critic natur and deepli emboss peopl heart hold that knesset member despit elect ten thousand vote not entitl full partner bodi repres peopl israel not speak polit discrimin bad racial discrimin proof compromis propos that mahamid arab yigal replac tamar gojanski jew yigal parti not member parti consid unfit race document case respect isra newspap worth note that for time sinc state found public debat arisen thi subject wit articl test confid gid levi aretz juli revel discrimin arab becom such integr part daili routin that not effort made deal you hear that contact thi levi fellow and explain israel yigal that sometim demon burst govern window dress and phenomenon time last week provid two such exampl isra knesset find difficult arab represent import committe and israel televis find difficult give platform arab territori seemingli two matter fact and knesset prove last week that even member face not renew face issu parliamentari tradit modern and parliamentari tradit becom obsolet and tradit endur forev arab set foot import committe hous never and never will arab extern affair and defens committe financ committe world overturn question whether not give arab for time place state comptrol committe argument and committe innumer secret reveal and woe arab hear not make light such argument signific not exagger arab not spend time wait for opportun moment hand inform knesset committe room black panther headquart jenin and not aforement committe continu occupi discuss top secret matter safe reveal for exampl mk support jewish underground not arab likud labor even hadash arab forego membership subcommitte secret servic matter happen nawaf masalha hear god forbid review foreign minist open meet foreign affair and defens committe even review armi chief staff case regularli leak edit new and happen hashem mahamid report had ey najah particip import committe and that colleagu creat intoler situat arab member elect hous semi posit good for address plenari session and for vote for govern and particip deliber immigr and absorpt committe not for exampl particip process formul state budget financ committe alloc resourc local author case part that labor depend support arab parti brought improv hashem mahamid will particip state comptrol committe earlier had ridicul attempt made dictat hadash repres and prevent arab enter thi dubiou holi holi clear that legal constitut back for such step not worri even jewish mind contriv devic committe chair roni milo announc that will set subcommitte aplenti for committe will decid permiss for mahamid particip and not solut such thi adopt for rest committe therebi complet elimin fear state secret leak enemi and remov stain discrimin knesset end articl you accept that document joseph askew joseph askew gauch and proud autumn still pleiad jaskew spam math adelaid edu remot thorni desert fell grief disclaim sue care north tent sky end somwher brenda 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talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl ftt world std tti world std joachim martillo write articl yaod cobra unm edu melabdel cobra unm edu moham elabdellaoui write muslim help nazi earth you come such accuus you proof not you public apolog for such statement dope for moham elabdellaoui western univers worldist and islam brain rot made imposs for acquir and analyz fact appropri and reason for such brainless shit for brain asshol haer you hate bastard your name your idea come across and thought stupid and uncivl respond prove your worldist claim and civil histori effort mufti jerusalem serv nazi south balkan and set muslim divis document gener nazism and leader principl reson muslim peopl khomeini concept faqih recent exampl such reson fact totalitarian etymolog reason translat islam fair mufti not succe get larg number muslim join small muslim unit manag commit attroc disproportion size muslim peopl enthusiast attempt muslim leader entic muslim peopl serv nazi activ and turkish govern practic nazi overtur even allianc nazi soviet govern made great deal tactic sens give sourc read shut you will such ignor word last time heard nazi pride need bodi carri polit and ideolog and your statment true don you israel us point muslim neighbor palestin allow jewish lobbi and power strong and you true heard you come and you dare that you take side typic primit muslim psychopatholog psychot behavior hear read disagre fact start whine jew jerk noth primit islam your mind read and live daili disagr fact and prove last time check thi worldist civil approach fact and figur not whine jew state fact thet strang jerk fuck you peopl that read thi moham you back your mindlessli stupid world countri your brain busi civil world countri home fuck face name not mean your litt manut stupid brain and name not worldist ajami that arab you asham you you hate don you ass hole moham joachim carlo santo martillo ajami
talk.politics.mideast	peas justic cann last last opportun for peac that peac talk israel make goodwil gestur goodwil gestur palestinian arab continu hunt jew peac talk realist chanc success arab start reciproc sinc will get tangibl concess return for give intang chang agre rule favorit game isra not like confid that intang will receiv bargain tabl will worth parchment written take two negoti peac time for arab start share alan stein astein israel nysernet org
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl apb new ci umn edu prabhak giga umn edu satya prabhakar write moham elabdellaoui write muslim help nazi earth you come such accuus you proof not you public apolog for such statement last time heard nazi pride need bodi carri polit and ideolog and your statment true don you israel us point muslim neighbor palestin allow jewish lobbi and power strong and you true heard you come and you dare that you take side refer page essai local star tribut newspap put conflict perspect will readili admit that author thi area posteer assert that muslim join hand croat and nazi persecut serb case past action not valid legitim happend sincer apolog extent author essai wrong make assert made student histori put thi perspect satya prabhakar you for clarifi your posit and sourc apolog accept good faith thi absolut attempt bring you your knee suggest check and sheck your sourc throw flame into net moham
talk.politics.mideast	peac talk articl nysernet org astein nysernet org alan stein write that peac talk israel make goodwil gestur goodwil gestur palestinian arab continu hunt jew you that put thi newsgroup gener flame not discuss ad substanc issu gestur you mention peac talk realist chanc success arab start reciproc sinc will get tangibl concess return for give intang you feel that israel offer gestur you realist expect present arab palestinian gestur chang agre rule favorit game isra not like confid that intang will receiv bargain tabl will worth parchment written rule that bent arab action that isra deport side exampl chang rule take two negoti peac time for arab start share alan stein astein israel nysernet org tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin
talk.politics.mideast	egyptian arrest mock threat blow iran pari mission copyright agenc franc press agenc franc press headlin egyptian arrest mock threat blow iran pari mission datelin pari bodi pari april afp egyptian man held polic bai for hour iranian embassi threaten blow build protest terror and fundament man thirti identifi egyptian nation displai banner embassi gate and possess stick dynamit threaten set surrende quietli polic had block neighborhood want attract media attent danger islam fundament
talk.politics.mideast	isra destruct mosqu jerusalem articl eggertj mose mit edu eggertj mit edu write case aren compar project freewai requir public hear court action appeal advanc determin restitut and raze moghrabi district east jerusalem happen hour end hostil dai war resid two hour notic pack and find accomod had chanc public hear debat appeal negoti die rubbl todai jerusalem post magazin featur stori ongo restor synagogu jewish quarter author leah abramowitz write that fifti synagogu quarter destroi us donkei stabl build shell that find hard understand demolit build front kotel continu evok outrag thi cheaper happen jew bill coleman clmn midwai uchicago edu
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl stjjb pep transfer stratu khalid bunc stratu khalid chishti write for you commit ground troop fine lift arm embargo side sinc that serb heavi weapon form feder armi wake west and admit that you uncivil hypocrat and violent bunch thi earth khalid akgun write easi blame west for indiffernc real bosnian suffer moslem world billion stop thi massacr oil rich arab state make bosnian crise nation interest west for european can night don blame west and ask don put life into danger choic muslim sleep not west wide awak save face read post carefulli that lift arm emargo and muslim defend point europian civil countri want interven militarili and muslim world oppress rememb happen almost year ago call discov riffl iranian jet bosnia west not indiffer thi matter side serb keep thi embargo muslim side paper side khalid disclam opinion and noth employ newsgroup soc cultur arab soc cultur bosna herzgvna soc cultur indian soc cultur iranian soc cultur jewish soc cultur pakistan soc cultur turkish soc cultur yugoslavia soc cultur afganistan talk polit mideast soc cultur african soc cultur subject europ muslim bosnian summari expir distribut organ stratu comput inc keyword
talk.politics.mideast	synagogu mosqu and doubl standard bill coleman write respond discuss mosqu jerusalem allegedli destroi israel todai jerusalem post magazin featur stori ongo restor synagogu jewish quarter author leah abramowitz write that fifti synagogu quarter destroi us donkei stabl build shell that find hard understand demolit build front kotel continu evok outrag thi cheaper happen jew doubl standard human behavior jew manitain perfect exampl outcri temporari remov men advoc murder jew and destroi state israel compar deafen silenc abus treatment jew arab countri past year compar tacit appov that world muslim randomli murder jewish civilian righteou indign express peopl occupi territori work israel effort reduc random murder occur that countri requir accept foreign worker israel jewish blood cheap jewish world never regard form jewish suffer import jew model powerless victim hold high moral ground had world war jewish peopl start care ancient hatr jew unleash doubt jewish world even capabl compass jew anti semit ancient and basic christian and islam golda meir that peac arab love children hate jew and that arab parent love children send children into street throw rock men train defend gun world obsess hatr jew defend that even question action parent not simpli children thi encourag throw into harm even arab children expend tragic death us neverend propoganda battl blame israel and jew for misfortun befal arab middl east jew person integr decai unmov knowledg wrong peopl heschel
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl sufneinn curi systemsi yale edu ahm shakil yale edu shakil waiz ahm write articl sueslinna minerva ci yale edu jovanov nick yale edu nick jovanov write muslim yugoslavia nation not religion fact not muslim follow islam exist yugoslavia christian muslim yeah that you outdon thi time nick don forget davidian muslim islam not race religion you can white black fijian alaskan thi not chang fact that muslim legal and polit term defin constitution yugoslavia and mean and consequ independ and immateri religi consider civil war term secess negoti gun pen croat muslim and serb polit leader chose fight term secess compromis and peacefulli negoti multilater secess agreement term secess you joke nick chose fight bosnia and croatia internation recogn nation serb attack and start document genocid that make aggressor simpl genocid classic exampl ethnic cleans question civil war you resid croatia and not accept term secess tudjman and izetbegov unilater forc croat and muslim negoti secess not grab entir territori yugoslav republ croatia and btw yugoslavia internation recogn destroi tudjman izetbegov milosev and intern commun led germani yugoslavia border chang will croatia border and border can chang state time civil war yugoslavia will end term secess border etc for croatia and final agre serb croat and muslim will make territori concess reach such agreement nick
talk.politics.mideast	show washington for bosnia articl new ci umn edu prabhak giga umn edu satya prabhakar write guess that not accept germani chose path aggress simultan that put interest countri peril whether countri risk jew persecut and hitler had imperialist ambit student histori and ask question don countri that turn jewish refuge time consid and reject cabinet level condit interfer foregin countri abstract clarifi resort acrimoni accus religi bigotri and such understand intern law countri interven prevent genocid onc world court rule that genocid commit human right czar appoint intern monitor record event and respons local offici and develop object basi thi back adjud intern court justic and enforc rapid deploy forc secretari gener command directli impos icj rule whenev feasibl possibl veto secur council presid can veto suprem court rule support effort appoint czar world opposit led countri china iran and pakistan compani pakistan keep reconsid opposit forc initi envisag charter control secur council quit flaw bodi rogu govern prc even threaten veto last month block move place troop bosnia chapter number straight move monitor enforc forc requir action prc even continu threaten veto action despit icj rule current set requir enforc icj rule peac gul agha
talk.politics.mideast	new that miss articl genesi mc arf genesi mc jack schmidl write articl vext lxn boni boni jake boni boni jake livni write articl ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem write that british iranian and uae refer occupi territori mean territori disput israel not affair suppos for reason jew call occupi territori judea and sumaria call propaganda judea and samaria proper geograph name asia minor lake michigan judea and samaria even us atla publish us ussr circa that home govern ussr quit hostil israel and engag pro israel propaganda will mail photocopi relev page schmidl relev word underlin simplifi search promis report net and you repeat li peopl start schmidl congtatualt for live except thi gener rule for almost peer number li post and number time repeat hasn found peopl li feygin
talk.politics.mideast	israel apartheid state not quit articl spam math adelaid edu jaskew spam math adelaid edu joseph askew write articl srg cinnj earli bird shaig shai gudai write articl spam math adelaid edu jaskew spam math adelaid edu joseph askew write you examin you will discov that arab parti member not power base that jewish counterpart had arab vote israel for long and that time not arab gain person fellow parti member put ministri thi like sprout wing and fly rio basi you for explain thi odd failur you confid that you exactli you you noth long vote vote pick list labor parti propos for prior elect and pai attent order correl thi number arab parti member elig vote parti elect correl thi vote result arab area and behold you will discov that isra arab labor parti member not band togeth unanim larg for select group arab candid thi problem exacerb rift isra arab claim membership wing parti vote for parti that not pass minimum cutoff work labor parti late elect not thi last volunt and privi vote result that return local deleg elect time system structur differ not ceas amaz that massiv effort lobbi for arab rep deleg exactli basi you for thi labour parti never put arab into cabinet post and insist coalit member and basi you reassur face year discriminatori practis quit simpli elig arab voter member labor parti and vote command deleg thi power base that can not not rank high parti onc due lack polit power labor parti work insid and experi that polit situat mk act interest and answer your question broke labor felt that heed wing and ultra orthodox coalit member front juli translat aretz articl racism knesset thi attitud recent had not even arous critic natur and deepli emboss peopl heart hold that knesset member despit elect ten thousand vote not entitl full partner bodi repres peopl israel not speak polit discrimin bad racial discrimin proof compromis propos that mahamid arab yigal replac tamar gojanski jew yigal parti not member parti consid unfit race fair matter and will admit possibl that thi differ that thi dummi argument sit committe not drum support for seat not avers thi argument us behalf proof present thi articl find interest propos compromis followup describ matter stand resolv thi opportun that deplor such action and groundless justif test confid gid levi aretz juli not worri even jewish mind contriv devic committe chair roni milo announc that will set subcommitte aplenti for committe will decid permiss for mahamid particip and not solut such thi adopt for rest committe therebi complet elimin fear state secret leak enemi and remov stain discrimin knesset for record roni milo brash describ likud note not labor quit frankli don surpris annoi and aggrav surpris you accept that document and you for provid interest know thing turn shai gudai stealth bomber softwar engin think machin corp wing ninja ski cambridg
talk.politics.mideast	synagogu mosqu and doubl standard mark ira kaufman write perfect exampl outcri temporari remov men advoc murder jew and destroi state israel compar deafen silenc abus treatment jew arab countri past year never mind fact that peopl deni fair trial and israel suppos uphold western valu doubt jewish world even capabl compass jew anti semit ancient and basic christian and islam check your fact bash islam muslim anti semit thi tenet religion anti semit basic islam implic entir muslim world base select sampl peopl and fli face islam teach peac nizam arain make univers hard comprehend internet narain uiuc edu that noth nextmail narain sumter cso uiuc edu compar
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian joachim martillo write dope for moham elabdellaoui western univers worldist and islam brain rot made imposs for acquir and analyz fact appropri typic primit muslim psychopatholog psychot behavior hear read disagre fact start whine jew jerk you back your mindlessli stupid world countri your brain busi civil world countri joachim carlo santo martillo ajami you substitut word jew jewish thi post you word muslim islam switch joachim and moham name and repost thi you flood messag attack author anti semit and rightli author thi crap racist pure and simpl qualm open unlik arab and mulsim basher net for not joachim post and infer that jew thi thi view not part judaism and stupid that jew mind thi twist muslim joachim flame reaffirm worst fear jew that hate arab and racist for thi reason alarm that not jew net spoken joachim chanc possibl chang anti semit view peopl net show that jew not hate arab and muslim muslim not hate jew miss that chanc rememb peopl silenc impli consent peac nizam arain make univers hard comprehend internet narain uiuc edu that noth nextmail narain sumter cso uiuc edu compar
talk.politics.mideast	synagogu mosqu and doubl standard narain nxt cso uiuc edu nizam arain write mark ira kaufman write perfect exampl outcri temporari remov men advoc murder jew and destroi state israel compar deafen silenc abus treatment jew arab countri past year never mind fact that peopl deni fair trial and israel suppos uphold western valu doubt jewish world even capabl compass jew anti semit ancient and basic christian and islam your doubt unsubstanti faith check your fact bash islam muslim anti semit thi tenet religion anti semit agre let call xxx and shoot your famili cold blood that mean that xxx respons peopl tend associ color creed etc form racism basic islam implic entir muslim world base select sampl peopl and fli face islam teach peac nizam arain make univers hard comprehend internet narain uiuc edu that noth nextmail narain sumter cso uiuc edu compar mohammad khan khan nova gmi edu juli send mail mkhan nyx edu respons thi letter post bounc mail nyx account
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian jovanov nick yale edu nick jovanov write articl sufneinn curi systemsi yale edu ahm shakil yale edu shakil waiz ahm write articl sueslinna minerva ci yale edu jovanov nick yale edu nick jovanov write muslim yugoslavia nation not religion fact not muslim follow islam exist yugoslavia christian muslim yeah that you outdon thi time nick don forget davidian muslim islam not race religion you can white black fijian alaskan thi not chang fact that muslim legal and polit term defin constitution yugoslavia and mean and consequ independ and immateri religi consider not muslim civil war term secess negoti gun pen croat muslim and serb polit leader chose fight term secess compromis and peacefulli negoti multilater secess agreement that arguabl for bandwith and flame sake wont term secess you joke nick chose fight bosnia and croatia internation recogn nation serb attack and start document genocid that make aggressor simpl genocid classic exampl ethnic cleans question civil war you civil war serbian gener rape not fight fair yah war hell serbian gener propretu resid croatia and not accept term secess tudjman and izetbegov unilater forc croat and muslim negoti secess not grab entir territori yugoslav republ croatia and line and bordr monei power fear btw yugoslavia internation recogn destroi tudjman izetbegov milosev and intern commun led germani yugoslavia border chang will croatia border and border can chang chang canadian bordr thi civvil war border state time civil war yugoslavia will end term secess border etc for croatia and final agre serb croat and muslim will make territori concess reach such agreement possibl agre that civil war make donat humanitarian aid even complex mean serb bleed and heardthat croat had rape serbian women unconfurm thi point nick mohammad khan khan nova gmi edu juli send mail mkhan nyx edu respons thi letter post bounc mail nyx account
talk.politics.mideast	new that miss articl jarvi csri toronto edu gfeygin unicorn eecg toronto edu gennadi feygin write judea and samaria proper geograph name asia minor lake michigan anoth name for thi region ci jordan jim eggertj mit edu jim eggert
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian jovanov nick yale edu nick jovanov write state time civil war yugoslavia will end term secess border etc for croatia and final agre serb croat and muslim will make territori concess reach such agreement muslim accept vanc owen plan that popul serbian statist put territori gave total muslim villag and area croatia and serbia effect gave serb land grab slaughter muslim anbd rape women and expel survivor serb not bosnian serb real bosnian serb fight muslim defend bosnia serb call bosnian serb refus part bosnia and want greater serbia serb refus weapon kill muslim and grab territori nick
talk.politics.mideast	updat saudi crackdown human right leagu clarinew clarinet bahaa elkoussi write upi and newspap report thi own saudi secur feel report thing saudi arabia allow human right violat can includ list design for independ state cairo egypt upi saudi govern order fire and thi report cairo disbar six saudi human right activist week form countri human right group condemn kingdom highest religi author saudi media report fridai two saudi own london base daili newspap report dismiss activist last week form committe for protect legal right kingdom hear alleg human right abus newspap order issu dismiss abdallah jabreen job iftaa depart saudi arabia highest religi advisori bodi hamad seleifeh eduact ministri and moham muss eri abdallah hame and abdallah tuwaijri two univers riyadh saudi capit licens practic law attornei order revok for suleiman marshoudi and muss eri and law offic and nation branch order close for reason saudi interior minist princ nayef ben abdel aziz member royal famili reject critic human right violat kingdom interview broadcast fridai nation and organ protect human right demand respect human right time refus interven bosnia herzegovina peopl kill rape and destroi even bar carri arm human and human right talk princ interview broadcast saudi own london base middl east broadcast center can teach thi man logic relationship human right leagu saudia and human right bosnia guess want itali brasil syrian joke princ nayef control saudi polic and prison kingdom enforc islam law countri claim islam law biggest disservic that islam hosni amin execut director cairo base arab organ for human right group document evid human right abus saudi arabia aohr support human right egypt amin guess fight front retir
talk.politics.mideast	peac talk articl new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write articl nysernet org astein nysernet org alan stein write that peac talk israel make goodwil gestur goodwil gestur palestinian arab continu hunt jew you that put thi newsgroup gener flame not discuss ad substanc issu gestur you mention you feel that israel offer gestur you realist expect present arab palestinian gestur timbo israel not recogn state arab for egypt isn that gestur israel offer call for peac talk for year ask for econom relat and ask for diplomat ti you israel sacrific secur nai not peac pete
talk.politics.mideast	mufti meanwhil support genocid bosnian articl yzkcu cunyvm bitnet yaakov kayman yzkcu cunyvm bitnet write not condemn mufti for nazi lean and condemn support condemn similarli genocid kill innoc muslim not bosnoia herzegovina hatr and bigotri remain that matter practic yaqouv ugli hatr spread kahan and kahanist exempt condemn and allow hate you answer indirectli doesn bother bit steel never piss
talk.politics.mideast	west bank and basebal report that nation basebal leagu spot west bank recruit pitcher
talk.politics.mideast	peac talk articl new columbia edu pgf cunixb columbia edu peter garfiel freeman write articl new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write articl nysernet org astein nysernet org alan stein write that peac talk israel make goodwil gestur goodwil gestur palestinian arab continu hunt jew you that put thi newsgroup gener flame not discuss ad substanc issu gestur you mention you feel that israel offer gestur you realist expect present arab palestinian gestur timbo israel not recogn state arab for egypt isn that gestur israel offer call for peac talk for year ask for econom relat and ask for diplomat ti you israel sacrific secur nai not peac pete yea not israel issu secur outcom negoti address isreal percept thi issu problem defin outsid israel and arab issu arab side palestinian statehood that israel state not and not allow exist that exist govern muslim state islam world intoler divid line israel fight for secur and israel fight expand hard discern outsid arab world rational arab struggl undermin israel base viscer rejection sens wrong that valu peac talk gestur you israel substanti tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin
talk.politics.mideast	question armenian articl unix amherst edu eerginel unix amherst edu erdem erginel ask flame simpl question simpl answer armenian belong gregorian orthodox faith and such case nineteenth centuri ottoman empir that armenian commun convert into catholic and protestant western european missionari thi period vast major armenian eastern anatolia gregorian armenian apostol higher percentag gregorian armenian cilicia closer mediterranean adana marash aintab etc anoth fact that almost half armenian live anatolia not speak armenian us turkish everydai live thi not true forbidden for armenian speak armenian area cilician armenia armenian spoke armenian fact turk interact armenian spoke armenian for armenian men knew turkish order function larger societi question separ armenian commun common denomin armenian peopl that allow armenian nation emerg nineteenth centuri state religion not uniform unlik greek and armenian couldn even speak armenian factor brought armenian ottoman empir togeth and led format armenian conscious armenian turkei persecut armenian specif branch christian profess result armenian nation direct reaction thi persecut even stage wwi and genocid armenian convert islam extermin continu armenian moslem thi practic continu into ataturk parallel polici clear pocket steadfast islam fundament convert armenian iron order stai aliv staunch moslem inform will appreci you answer your question common thread your inquiri word armenian regard david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia not learn lesson center for region studi anatolia and forgotten box punish inflict cambridg late turkish presid turgut ozal
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl ejf new ci umn edu prabhak giga umn edu satya prabhakar write moham sadek write joseph biden had yesterdai senat condemen european lack action and lack support plan and call that moral rape that reason for that religi bigotri thi strife yugoslavia back long bosinan muslim collabor nazi serbian world war serb muslim thi not fresh case ethnic cleans anoth chapter continu saga intens mutual hatr destruct not take side thi perpetu war not amount religi bigotri helpless regard bring peac region that not even mean word lie victim nazi don bosnian muslim word for holoucost survivor help you will hear that bosnian muslim help object term ethnic cleans sinc happen bosnia not ethnic cleans ethnic religion orthodox christian cathol christian and muslim religi cleans watch peopl round and slaughter slit throat rape collect and systemat driven home million tortur concentr camp maim and amount moral rape noth histori justifi happen satya prabhakar moham
talk.politics.mideast	organ islam confer dear friend inform organ ofislam confer oic book articl journal that contain inform thi organ you you send mail address you advanc and hope hear sinc thisat present regard aziz
talk.politics.mideast	labour enclav polici import articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org real life elia davidson quot israel shahak nutcas quot crackpot time post thi rec humor perhap alt conspiraci jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl iastat edu jakhan iastat edu jave ahm khan thi strife yugoslavia back long bosinan muslim collabor nazi serbian world war serb muslim thi not fresh case dont you correct report bosnian muslim support nazi genocid serbian fact that croat govt secret polic call ustach prime agent nazi yugoslavia serb jave thi not strife thi massacr innoc moslem poepl christian west sinc ottoman lost control balkan ten and hunder million muslem peopl turk albanian bosnian and tortur rape massacr and driven home cristian region and europ lucki escap rel safeti turkiy remain finish local christian usa and rest europ christian west maintain tight arm ambargo muslem peopl bosnia cannot deffend themslv let christian serb and croat tortur rape and massacr innoc moslem peopl bosnia christian europ for almost six centuri achiev thi object and not will thi will until singl moslem person bosnian turk albanian etc tortur rape massacr and driven home
talk.politics.mideast	greek govern turk western thrace articl new uiowa edu mau herki uiowa edu mau napoleon write treati sign greec and turkei speak moslem minor thraki and not turkish minor thraki reason talk moslem and not turk that major peopl not ethnik turk pomak and gypsi oboi thi excit you discuss your exist literatur tast your fantasi and your choic histor revision you relat arromdian asala sdpa arf terror and revision triangl agreement exchang minor term turk demonstr meant previou refer muslim fact that greek govern mention exist thousand turkish muslim not chang essenti realiti that live western thrace bigger turkish minor pomak muslim peopl nation bulgarian turk and greek part you muslim turkish minor organ agreement prove that turkish peopl trap greec and greek peopl free settl anywher world greek author deni even exist turkish minor pursu denial connect macedonian greec talk oppress addit democrat greek parliament pass law virtual take administr vakiflar and charit trust ceas support religi and cultur entiti talk fascism greek govern attempt appoint muftu irrespect will turkish minor state offici orthodox church full author similar matter greec muslim turkish minor will elect religi leader talk democraci govern greec recent destroi islam convent komotini such destruct reflect attitud muslim turkish cultur heritag violat lausann convent call greek constitut suppos guarante protect histor monument govern greec hand build church remot villag complementari step hellen region longstand us adject turkish titl and signboard prohibit greek court order closur turkish teacher associ komotini turkish youth associ and ksanti turkish associ ground that turk western thrace such commun associ had activ told remov word turkish build and offici paper and eventu close thi final verdict novemb greek high court helsinki watch human right group had investig plight turkish minor greec august find publish report titl destroi ethnic ident turk greec report confirm gross violat human right turkish minor greek author for instanc greek govern recent destroi islam convent komotini such destruct reflect attitud muslim turkish cultur heritag violat lausann convent helsinki watch problem turk western thrace continu ankara page report helsinki watch state that turkish minor western thrace face problem and stipul that discriminatori polici implement greek govern brought end report western thrace emphas that greek govern grant social and polit right member minor that equal enjoi greek citizen and addit recogn exist turkish minor western thrace and grant identifi turk newspot greec isol west thrace turk xanthi independ ahmet faikoglu that greek state cut contact and relat turkish minor turkei point that greek minor live istanbul call greek ethnic definit religion minor western thrace consid interview greek newspap ethno greek citizen turkish origin individu minor live western trace turkish emphas educ problem for turkish minor western thrace faikoglu that agreement sign greec distribut textbook print turkei turkish minor school western thrace recal activ and komotini independ sadik ahmet defend right turkish minor faikoglu fact help greec prevent greec cradl democraci lose face european countri forc greek govern recogn legal right turco greek relat point that countri predestin live peac for geograph and histor reason and that turkei and greec resist foreign power creat rift cooper ad that turkei observ that will improv relat greec newspot januari macedonian human right activist face trial greec two ethnic macedonian human right activist will face trial athen for alleg crime greek state court summon obtain mil hristo sideropoulo and tashko bulev anastasio buli charg greek crimin law for make comment athenian magazin sideropoulo and bulev gave interview greek weekli magazin ena march and that macedonian deni basic human right greec and field ethnic macedonian candid for come greek gener elect bulev interview not greek macedonian sideropoulo articl that greec recognis macedonia alleg territori aspir greec tale panic secur border time border and barrier eec fall main charg two court summon that spread intention fals inform creat unrest and fear citizen and affect public secur harm intern interest countri greec greek state not recognis exist macedonian ethnic believ ethnic macedonian live greec larg concentr north crime greek state declar macedonian greec serbia yugoslavia and bulgaria partion macedonia into piec albania macedonian villag part serbo yugoslav occup broke independ republ macedonia million macedonian republ bulgaria albania and serbia proper sideropoulo long time campaign for macedonian human right greec and lost job forestri worker year ago even exil obscur greek island mediteranean pressur amnesti intern forc greek govern return home town florina lerin northern greec aegean macedonia major ethnic macedonian live balkan watcher sideropoulo affair show trial greec desper clamp intern dissent come issu recognit for northern neighbour republ macedonia last year state depart unit state condemn greec for bad treatment ethnic macedonian and turk larg live western thrace remain govern will presidenti elect rue craetveld kraatveldstraat orc nikolov brussel belgium skopj macedonia tel fax tel fax modem acc famibank citibank belgium serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	baltic state and realism and virvir drivel articl zip eec umich edu sechrest dip eec umich edu stuart sechrest write memoir armenian armi offic translat english and publish member american east relief organ account genocid turkish and moslem peopl armenia organ and execut armenian govern and armi account countless massacr and atroc turkish peopl armenia leonard ramsden hartil ditto sourc men that leonard ramsden hartil bobb merril compani indianapoli page memoir armenian offic particip genocid million muslim peopl you point us argu easili verifi fact turk had solv armenian problem turkei slai drive armenian countri proceed solv tartar problem armenia close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for tartar and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian hartil men that bobb merril compani london you set straw hors and knock not impress armenian scholar sourc papazian patriot pervert baikar press boston that terror nation promin part revolutionari activ dashnag leader caucasu organ fight turk chieftain success fight armenian oppon turkei and caucasu defenseless and innoc defeat fact remain that leader turkish armenian section dashnagtzoutun not carri promis loyalti turkish turk enter war and call for armenian volunt fight turk caucasian front thousand armenian world flock standard such famou fighter antranik keri dro etc armenian volunt regiment render valuabl servic russian armi year entir paragraph close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for tartar and proceed work extermin troop surround villag villag resist offer artilleri knock hut into heap stone and dust and villag unten and inhabit fled into field bullet and bayonet complet work tartar escap found refug mountain succeed cross border into turkei rest kill and that length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki hot plain ararat cold mountain plateau north dot mute mourn ruin tartar villag quiet villag for howl wolv and jackal that visit paw scatter bone dead ohanu appressian men that wait armenian slaughter entir muslim popul van armenian slaughter muslim popul bitli armenian slaughter muslim popul erzurum armenian slaughter muslim popul diyarbakir armenian slaughter muslim popul mamuretulaziz armenian slaughter muslim popul siva armenian slaughter entir muslim popul soviet armenia mccarthi muslim and minor popul ottoman anatolia and end empir york univers press york karpat ottoman popul univers wisconsin press hovannisian armenia road independ univers california press berkelei and lo angel shaw armenian collabor invad russian armi histori ottoman empir and modern turkei volum reform revolut republ rise modern turkei london cambridg univers press gochnak armenian newspap publish unit state serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl ecf toronto edu srini ecf toronto edu kandala sriniva write refer page essai local star tribut newspap put conflict perspect will readili admit that author thi area posteer assert that muslim join hand croat and nazi persecut serb case past action not and evid you can find second hand hearsai unnam sourc you confus muslim nazi armenian altogeth nazi armenian serv unit german wehrmacht ara berkian predominantli armenian armi unit german armi unit work unit and waffen amaz discuss chang topic anoth disagre you you issu hand rememb todai extermin tartar adolf hitler august ruth rosenbaum durusoi turkish holocaust turk soykirimi crime systemat cleans mass kill and extermin muslim popul soviet republ armenia karabag bosnia and herzegovina islam holocaust compar extermin million muslim armenian govern wwi and million european jew wwii tovfik kasimov azeri leader septemb todai ethnic cleans polici serbian dictatorship croatian and muslim yugoslavia soviet republ armenia muslim popul neighbor azerbaijan aspir genocid perpetr armenian govern year ago turkish and kurdish muslim and sephard jew live land cebbar leygara kurdish leader octob serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	armenian not form distinct race articl unix amherst edu eerginel unix amherst edu erdem erginel write question separ armenian commun common denomin armenian peopl that allow armenian nation emerg nineteenth centuri state religion contradictori view origin armenian name found darian inscript form armina aramaniya found inscript bistun monument refer armenian found bistun cuneiform inscript dara vishdasb monarch dara servant arminam armeniya reach arminam armeniya countri town zozo armaniya armeniya karakashian for armenia equival armin arminik persian thi recent word ararat and found us dara inscript for haiastan saint martin name armeni sinc earli time almost eastern peopl territori refer armenian haiastan syrian armenia and arab ermeniyy that urartu time mede harminap modifi persian arminia refer place ararat archish aruyr archar arshav arazen and aror men us refer spirit thought human and armen signifi peopl that place alishan believ that nation vocabulari haik diminut form hai and that hai name nation nation connect word armen that foreign appli peopl that armenia place name that armen name peopl live and that connect word hai haik and haiastan armenian historian haik great hero armenian peopl name hai mere resembl word haik and hai constitut real proof and case such theori appear time mose khoren haiasa studi show quit that hai and haiasa gener name us hittit refer region armenia professor hachadurian haiasa gener name us hittit inscript for upper armenia yensen hittit and armenian prove that hai ident hittit hatio word that hai hittit word research prove thi erron and shown that hai deriv hatio mortman attempt read urartu inscript armenian met success for greek point even mention resembl word haiasa and haiastan obviou that accept haiasa oldest form haiastan cast glanc word hai haikazan and haiastan enter older work karakashian word haik never found emploi refer leader armenian peopl prior mose khoren found emploi form haika haykazn agahangelo and puzant us word titl place name improv and develop haiastan etc word had refer nation and had deriv hai haik us word haikak and haykazn number place professor sayc deciph number hittit inscript hittit languag suffix us qualiti speci word haddana haddina us assyrian refer hittit transform two letter hadinasdani thi transform haiastan professor grechmer fulli agre thi point view regard signific and explan accord term hai and haistan quit unsatisfactori find that solut thi problem brought nearer name haiasa frequent found bogazkoi onward forrer take haiasa refer upper armenia that case like that haiasa part armenia suffix dan anatolian origin real root hayasa refer countri hayasa chantr write follow subject ethnolog and anthropolog characterist armenian peopl armenian russia character follow almost brachycephal leptocephal dark averag height aissor asian group close ti kurdish tribe and azerbaijan peopl denik philolog point view armenian and kurd regard belong iranian group armenian descend element and mix race averag height vari and region almost short head skull measur race belong indo afghan assyrian turkic famili professor rene vernont write follow armenian mixtur semit turk kurd and mongol displai armenian featur height averag fair complexion dark hair dark ey hook nose and wide mouth investig carri kossovitch link armenian blood group and anthropolog characterist led conclus that armenian not form distinct race serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	azeri soil occupi soviet armenia talk articl sea smu edu pt sea smu edu paul thompson schreiber write nanci najarian huddl measli candl kerosen lamp cold make feel isol live countri million peopl complet blockad hostil neighbor prevent receiv adequ suppli fuel electr plant run hospit open school oper will typic armenian revisionist past soviet armenia and todai azerbaijan for utop and idiot armenian brought havoc neighbor short sight and misplac nationalist fervor wrong agenda and anachronist method armenian continu becom pernici for region usual will treat accordingli neighbor nagorno karabag mountain enclav that li complet azerbaijan border histori whatsoev connect soviet armenia geograph aspect nagorno karabag histor homeland and cradl artist and literari heritag azerbaijan render armenian claim preposter even lunat mind imagin that dai such deviou turn event plagu azeri cannot even imagin revers case occur for armenian slaughter azerbaijani put forc exil maintain major appeal mankind last year azerbaijan and multin popul vainli fight for justic limit soviet union humanitarian constitut human right guarante charter univers declar human right helsinki agreement human problem intern forum document sign soviet union violat ussr presid govern bodi not defend azerbaijan empow measur guarante life and peac strong armi armenian terrorist moscow tacit consent wage undeclar war annihil azerbaijan result part azerbaijan occupi and annex hundr peopl kill thousand wound azerbaijani brutal and inhumanli deport armenian ssr histor homeland togeth russian and kurd driven part settl azerbaijan turkish meskhetian lezghin and repres caucasian nation escap central asia presid and govern bodi not guarante life and peac suffer deport scandal vandal direct not azerbaijan scienc world civil armenian extremist destruct karabakh scientif experiment base institut genet and select academi scienc azerbaijan ssr beg you for humanitarian and polit assist for honour and digniti million azerbaijani violat territori cultur and histori trampl peopl shot persist neg imag azerbaijanian abroad and thi defam spread world soviet mass media armenian lobbi ussr and unit state myth that event allegedli involv and gener interethn collis and religi intoler truth that shoot and recent event stem territori claim armenia azerbaijan document fact that conflict friction armenian and azerbaijani issu karabakh hundr and thousand armenian placidli and calmli live and work azerbaijan land had repres govern bodi azerbaijan ssr for unit indivis sovereign azerbaijan for common caucasian home proclaim found father azerbaijan democrat republ muham emin rasulzad goal and expect trampl soviet leadership favour armenian expansionist encourag moscow and intend creat year reich great armenia annex neighbor land world public opinion shed tear save whale suffer for penguin dy antarct contin live million human be peopl muslim mean that valuabl can peopl discrimin colour skin religion resid attribut peopl brother and appeal brother for and understand thi not appeal azerbaijan world public opinion previou appeal unheard carri hope that truth russian and armenian propaganda will dai reveal extent suffer and stimul and compass for azerbaijan tender whale and penguin committe for peopl karabakh academi scienc azerbaijan ssr pain search gruesom extent februari kill azeri armenian town hojali last emerg azerbaijan men women and children dead worst outrag year war nagorni karabakh figur drawn azeri investig hojali offici and casualti list publish baku press diplomat and aid worker death toll line estim februari attack hojali armenian forc last move year campaign full control nagorni karabakh subject round negoti rome mondai bloodsh fight retreat and massacr investig that dead civilian aw number peopl kill suppress fear communist govern baku blur armenian denial and grief stricken azerbaijan wild and contradictori alleg dead state prosecut aydin rasulov cheif investig man team into azerbaijan call hojali disast figur peopl dead minimum preliminari find similar estim elman memmedov mayor hojali even higher print baku newspap ordu dead peopl name and bodi report unidentifi thi figur dead quot offici leila yunusova spokeswoman azeri ministri defenc francoi zen ruffinen head deleg intern red cross baku muslim imam nearbi citi agdam had report figur bodi receiv mosqu hojali civilian not count bodi figur reason fantasi zen ruffinen idea sinc gave bodi bag and product wash dead rasulov endeavour give unemot estim number dead massacr don work will month final figur year lawyer small offic rasulov thing two year reach firm conclus that peopl kill and wound soviet troop and tank crush nationalist upris baku januari nationalist popular front final power week ago and appli pressur find exactli happen hojali azeri town li mile border armenia fell armenian offici peopl certifi dead number peopl that medic examin republ forens depart thi small percentag dead rafiq youssifov republ chief forens scientist bodi brought rememb chao and fact that muslim and wash and buri dead hour peopl women and children year gunshot kill peopl shrapnel kill and ax blunt instrument kill exposur highland snow kill last thirti peopl show sign deliber mutil includ ear nose breast penis cut and ey goug professor youssifov report bodi examin believ kill rasulov file rasulov investig commiss disorganis list azeri militiamen dead six policemen and handwrit mosqu attend name corps brought wash dai heartbreak account wit interview come towfiq manafov azeri investig helicopt flight escap rout hojali februari bodi dead and wound ground count properli hojali peopl stream and road and visibl nakhchivanik villag manafov wrote statement countersign helicopt pilot peopl wave for dead children and two year aliv dead woman live pull arm for mother land armenian start barrag helicopt and had return consolid list and figur circul polit upheav last month and fact that exactli hojali time inhabit displac villag armenian forc independ london hero fought amid bodi aref sadikov sat quietli shade cafe bar caspian sea esplanad baku and show line stitch trouser torn armenian bullet fled town hojali month ago write hugh pope wear cloth don year carpent begin account hojali disast wound place lucki aliv sadikov and wife short food electr for month and cut helicopt flight for dai sens armenian noos tighten peopl left straggl azeri town edg karabakh bombard start such had never heard kind weapon artilleri heavi machin gun lot sadikov neighbour pour street direct attack huddl shelter start flee town hill stream and snow into forest side escap townspeopl had reach azeri town agdam mile thought make dawn reach bottleneck two armenian villag nakhchivanik and saderak group hurt spot car road and armenian outpost start open fire sadikov azeri militiamen fight hojali rush forward forc open corridor for civilian effort vain sadikov peopl group made includ wife and militiaman son relat di includ year elder brother had time reach and cover face hat pull big flat turkish cap ey never bodi back group lucki benefit cover fire hero evacu alif hajief shot dead struggl chang magazin cover group cross sadikov anoth hero elman memmedov mayor hojali and spent dai februari bushi hillsid surround dead bodi armenian armour personnel carrier bai survivor stagger last mile into agdam comfort town popul flee night reach town big armenian rocket attack peopl sadikov had hospit for treatment bad even found bullet sock victim war azeri woman mourn son kill hojali massacr februari left nurs struggl primit condit centr save wound man makeshift oper theatr set train carriag grief stricken rel town agdam weep coffin anoth massacr victim calcul final death toll complic muslim buri dead hour photograph liu heung frederiqu lengaign reuter independ london serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	synagogu mosqu and doubl standard narain nxt cso uiuc edu nizam arain write mark ira kaufman write perfect exampl outcri temporari remov men advoc murder jew and destroi state israel compar deafen silenc abus treatment jew arab countri past year never mind fact that peopl deni fair trial repeat lie and peopl will start hama terrorist opportun appeal chosen not propaganda mileag refus israel agre that return immedi provid agre stop kill jew refus speak for alan stein astein israel nysernet org
talk.politics.mideast	west bank and basebal septemb medic reserv unit ketziot prison camp care arab prison hous section prison each each section subdivid unit hous prison prison commun distant section sometim yard take stone ty written note stone and throw incred precis section recruit for red sox prison outstand pitcher josh backon vm huji
talk.politics.mideast	saudi clergi condemn debut human right group articl benali alcor benali alcor concordia ilyess bdira write ben baz mind and heart blind not ey us respect todai lost minim amount respect that struggl for muslim netter thi gui gave fatwah that saudi arabia can us unit stste attack iraq attack iraqi drive kuwait countri citizen close blood and busi ti saudi citizen and think had not help iraqi swallow saudi arabia eastern oilfield and muslim countri liber kuwait and protect saudi arabia mass citizen demonstr favor that butcher saddam kill lotsa muslim kill rape and loot rel rich muslim and thumb nose west you defend saudi arabia and roll back iraqi invas you charg saudi arabia fatwah legitim thi that kind clergi islam duti separ religion and polit religion mean offici clergi that good idea not govern offici religion facto jure human natur ambiti and not piou will rise power peopl thi world countri for citizen leader devout slick oper cairo egypt upi cairo base arab organ for human right aohr thursdai welcom establish last week committe for defens legal right saudi arabia and such group oper arab countri you make sound gui angel ilyess your clarinet post you edit stuff fridai york time report that thi group conserv even sheikh baz and follow that hous saud not rule countri conserv nyt report that complain that govern not conserv assert that approx shiit kingdom apost charg that saudi and islam law bring death penalti diplomat gui sheikh bin jibrin isn ilyess call for sever punish women drove public back protest ban women drive gui group thi abdelhamoud toweijri that women fire job jail and brand prostitut thi you want happen ilyess heard muslim that ban women drive basi qur ahadith etc folk not ban want women fals call prostitut you choos hero wise ilyess not reflex ralli hate you hate that women not allow work that and radio immor kingdom hous saud favorit govern earth restrict religi and polit reedom lot thing that like replac for lot wors for citizen countri hous saud feel heat last six month read step harass muttawain religi polic not govern western women not fulli veil stupid for women imo send wrong signal your moral and read that crack home base exparti religi gather and even post reward govern own newspap offer monei for turn group exparti dare worship home secret place govern grown even intoler wind sail conserv opposit unislam thing small tast happen gui overthrow hous saud long run thi you and rach and gener west evil zionist rule hate west you puppet crowd want ilyess dave bakken presid fine job problem don husband jame carvil clinton campaign strategist call daddi mom busi chelsea nurs cspan
talk.politics.mideast	saudi clergi condemn debut human right group articl optima arizona edu bakken arizona edu dave bakken write delet thi you and rach and gener west evil zionist rule hate west you puppet crowd want ilyess noteworthi that post west evil etc made not islam hellhol west west bad come notic comfort exercis right free express complet absent countri vasudev vasudev murthi opinion express strictli murthi asl nec and noth advanc switch lab nec america inc
talk.politics.mideast	mosqu jewish quarter isra destruct believ statement not histori condemn repeat will durant begin opposit true and newsgroup that histori rememb foment hatr us club histori peopl ampl act shame peopl and peopl sinc not parti act refus accept blame for evil act that ancestor commit direct hatr descend commit evil act ancestor will thi discuss rebuild singl mosqu will rebuild templ doubt that will post anoth group bosnian war ask love each that love conquer hate sadli rememb interview young woman sarajevo rememb olymp calibr contest rifl shoot pick serbian sniper communist year had marri serb fight peopl that hate will conquer love odd chanc that forget past wrong and and live togeth damn small planet come close turn into radioact ball glow softli space spare that prospect bath each blood shalom salam and peac reb
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talk.politics.mideast	rabin and palestinian kapo center for polici research cpr subject rabin and palestinian kapo rabin plan for palestinian polic front altern inform center jerusalem decis view set local polic forc for sic palestinian central issu for deliber peac talk resum week even subject elect territori and area juridict framework autonomi sign isra govern attitud peac process set polic forc not part gestur packag deal heart and substanc palestinian struggl for nation ident turn main object guid prime minist set palestinian polic forc and appar support foreign minist shimon pere ensur hold democrat elect territori write amnon barzilai editori isra daili hadashot april and posit articul think comment dealt thi issu past two week stand settler and rightw parti interpret decis encourag establish palestinian polic forc signific step institut real autonomi will restrict can jewish settler west bank and gaza strip varieti demonstr includ street theater will happen palestinian polic forc rightw element attempt frighten isra public and pressur rabin back decis member kach movement even begun organ settler polic forc occupi territori counter balanc futur palestinian polic forc barzilai point main function polic forc isra govern concern noth settler will appar author will control polit group palestinian popul govern interest neutral write barzilai idea take shape set local polic forc territori will preced not stage elects final stage prepar interim autonomi agreement willing isra govern set local palestinian polic forc evid that govern arriv settlement palestinian that palestinian public greatli worri thi isra initi and inevit that pressur will brought bear faisal husseini and rest deleg member varieti direct refus gift rabin give thi stage palestinian cooper fulfil plan add comment numer palestinian fear that israel succe opt palestinian circl thi idea fear that palestinian polic forc control fact israel act even brutal idf idea surrog polic forc not us israel lebanon and us nazi control jewish ghetto dweller
talk.politics.mideast	reflect bosnia owen neier reflect bosnia lord owen and serb earli februari lord owen made appear york citi donahu and charli rose show coupl occas show lord owen gave pro serbian posit made point that bosnian territori disput overrun serbian forc had control and occupi serb wwii that sinc serb had previous occupi territori and lost hitler year allow reconqu todai familiar thi view father yugoslav jew escap thi countri war aid and found sympathi serb harrow year recent month subject serbian aggress mention father make point that serb kill nazi and pro nazi croatian forc ustasha father pro serbian that dismiss report serbian atroc father excori york time columnist anthoni lewi father anthoni lewi talk muslim updat april uneasi truce and sbernica shell resum nearbi area side and kill and miseri continu apac clinton administr dither respons dai lead collaps resist sbernica lord owen chang tune previous had oppos militari intervent ground that endang relief worker serbian forc began march sbernica threat relief soldier unment lord owen call for intervent stop serbian aggress includ us air strike current disastr situat can failur west and failur vanc owen initi noth halt serb that late save muslim area that lord owen felt muslim state lord owen belatedli call for strong action clinton and bosnia summer georg kennei senior state depart offici undersecretari charg yugoslav desk made new resign state depart bush administr refus action halt serbian aggress kennei bush inact larg due presid unwilling risk polit capit get involv appar true clinton administr clinton impress that care bush terribl ongo tragedi practic effect york time clinton administr suppress mid march report expert call for militari action protect safe haven for muslim point senat major leader georg mitchel incens that report congress that call for investig help desper bosnian clinton signal and that milosev and serb free want bosnia clinton and west signal that serb job and finish bosnian quickli turn kei signal clinton made clear that not send american militari forc ground thi issu clinton made wist for bush bush and baker not wors and pressur thi time live bosnia save and destruct curtail nation left and bosnian quandari typic left inabl come grip core issu involv bosnia clear aggressor destroi hundr thousand live editori bosnian quandari nation end editori vote noth even notic ghastli atroc bosnian serb and that greater and lesser power dither and fuss and hang back happen clinton administr pai million unit state ow editori conclud strike passag editori writer warn that push presid clinton interven side bosnian had review foreign polici sinc world war editori argu for inact basi that bosnian serb wors number client includ chilean south african greek fascist and subsequ column for nation christoph hitchen correctli call thi editori contempt william pfaff european base journalist write for yorker and lo angel time group liber columnist anthoni lewi and lesli gelb and consist call for strong western and american intervent stop serb pfaff recent column liber opinion week entitl intern cowardic worsen bosnian tragedi clarifi intern failur led present situat sentenc refus interven sanction threat minor right newli independ croatia june block penal militari aggress serbia that immedi and atroci ethnic cleans that unit nation contempl deploi bosnia militari forc scale two year ago deter horror yugoslavia sinc experienc explain that plan envisag call for daunt and open end militari assign direct militari intervent halt aggress year ago aryeh neier serb watch right column nation aryeh neier get heart motiv aggressor prefer term for serbian forc besieg and shell sarajevo for year explain that militari purpos that serv destruct fabric and peopl align forc attack sarajevo want live even citi rebuilt not citi peopl thi desir break moral bosnian and make press govern accept peac price that explain conduct sieg sarajevo loath for that urban pluralist and cosmopolitan that made sarajevo object for devast histor serbian popul bosnia and herzegovina rural muslim civil servant and intelligentsia centuri ottoman rule made disproportion share urban popul destruct sarajevo not express hostil thi citi attack urban idea demagogu whip passion loos thi war exploit not ethnic and religi bigotri hatr for that cosmopolitan light that neier shed issu help clarifi stake serb repres noth anti secularist fundamentalist fascist forc attack urban cosmopolitan secular multi cultur idea attack rest hitler ironi that begin crisi bosnia for awhil maintain serb and support that respond threat bosnian muslim creat fundamentalist state neier shown that serb great threat secular multi cultur divers and democraci serb attack democrat notion democrat idea anthoni lewi come close point ask respect for clinton presid depend act effect serbian aggress noth genocid such betray valu and alli profess time not betray valu serb attack proxi hitler argument for decis action west that heard form that war balkan destabl for europ hear bosnian europ palestinian that palestinian refuge problem kei instabl middl east will hundr thousand yugoslav refuge ethnic result turmoil europ for decad come lesson twentieth centuri that even atlant ocean divid america ultim ti destini europ europ destabil will inevit affect and drawn into problem whirlpool sooner will drawn into maelstrom and past histori and pfaff shown decis quickli and term sincer ronald bleier
talk.politics.mideast	zionist leader frank statement dear pete for zionist you you your hebrew young man last sentenc your post read medina achat leshnai amim not echad medionnot leshtai amim don want address your comment speak for regard palestinian jewish origin talk read and write hebrew and not hate jew elia
talk.politics.mideast	baltic state and realism and virvir drivel articl zip eec umich edu sechrest cairo eec umich edu stuart sechrest write entir paragraph close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for tartar and proceed work extermin troop surround villag villag resist offer artilleri knock hut into heap stone and dust and villag unten and inhabit fled into field bullet and bayonet complet work tartar escap found refug mountain succeed cross border into turkei rest kill and that length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki hot plain ararat cold mountain plateau north dot mute mourn ruin tartar villag quiet villag for howl wolv and jackal that visit paw scatter bone dead ohanu appressian men that thi point you invari miss don vagu reexamin thi entir paragraph turk had solv armenian problem turkei slai drive armenian countri proceed solv tartar problem armenia close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for tartar and proceed work extermin troop surround villag villag resist offer artilleri knock hut into heap stone and dust and villag unten and inhabit fled into field bullet and bayonet complet work tartar escap found refug mountain succeed cross border into turkei rest kill and that length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki hot plain ararat cold mountain plateau north dot mute mourn ruin tartar villag quiet villag for howl wolv and jackal that visit paw scatter bone dead ohanu appressian hartil men that bobb merril compani london you descend into total inan your inabl distinguish cold blood genocid muslim peopl armenian and armenian war incred provid your correct sourc stanford shaw armenian collabor invad russian armi histori ottoman empir and modern turkei volum reform revolut republ rise modern turkei london cambridg univers press april dashnak russian armenia organ revolt citi van armenian compris percent popul closest armenian major citi empir leav erivan april armenian volunt reach van and organ and carri gener slaughter local muslim popul two dai know number never justifi territori ambit armenian look russia and europ for fulfil aim armenian treacheri thi regard culmin begin world war decis revolutionari organ refus serv state ottoman empir and assist invad russian armi hope particip russian success reward independ armenian state carv ottoman territori armenian polit leader armi offic and common soldier began desert drove russian invas eastern anatolia begin world war degre armenian collabor ottoman enemi increas drastic ottoman suppli line cut guerilla attack armenian revolutionari arm armenian civil popul turn massacr muslim popul provinc van anticip expect arriv invad russian armi meanwhil czar nichola caucasu make final plan for cooper armenian ottoman presid armenian nation bureau tifli declar respons countri armenian hurri enter rank gloriou russian armi blood serv victori russian arm russian flag wave freeli dardanel and bosporu your will great majesti peopl remain turkish yoke receiv freedom armenian peopl turkei suffer for faith christ receiv resurrect for free life protect russia armenian flood into czarist armi prepar made strike ottoman rear and czar return petersburg confid that dai final had come for reach istanbul horizon tifli novemb quot hovannisian road independ ottoman moral and militari posit east hurt and prepar for russian push into eastern anatolia accompani open armenian revolt sultan hovannisian road independ bayur iii allen and muratoff caucasian battlefield cambridg ali ihsan sabi harb hahralaram vol ankara no and armenian state organ van russian protect and appear that muslim nativ dead driven maintain oldest center ancient armenian civil armenian legion organ expel turk entir southern shore lake prepar for concert russian drive into bitli vilayet thousand armenian mu and major center east began flood into armenian state mid juli armenian crowd into van area crisi had hous and fed peopl muslim and muslim alik hovannisian road independ fop no and bva mecli vukela mazbatalari debat august babi ali evrak odasi van ihtilali katl ami zilkad septemb you point origin quot us term tartar distinct turk you perhap feel free make minor adjust name truth thi week ago come entir turkish popul armenia armenian call tartar constitut total popul armenia deliber extermin for popul statist book richard hovannessian armenia road independ list book earlier such monstrou crime write armenian american and british men that leonard hartil adventur east rawlinson world aliv person stori robert dunn person copi document thi crime write two armenian and american offici british report thi massacr mention document lord curzon aharonin interview report british high commission caucasia sir oliv wardrop analog jewish holocaust systemat extermin entir muslim popul independ republ armenia consist percent popul that republ memoir armenian armi offic particip and ey wit atroc publish titl men that refer abound rachel bortnick jewish time june serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	xsoviet armenia will not turkish genocid cover articl galaxi ucr edu raffi watnxt ucr edu raffi kojian write you true don you appar anoth son dro butcher contend you happi that you rekindl huge discuss distort propag your contemporari you feel that you can simpli act armenian government croni thi forum you will sadli mistaken and duli embarrass thi not lectur anoth histor revisionist and genocid apologist fact will dissect articl articl paragraph paragraph line line lie lie revis revis written thi net plan prove that armenian genocid million turk and kurd noth classic redress genocid soviet union similar ultra nationalist fascist dictatorship that emploi dictat hitler quell domest unrest feel free distribut respons your nearest asala sdpa arf terrorist armenian pseudo scholar affili armenian crimin organ soviet armenian govern genocid million turkish men women and children and enjoi fruit that genocid you and you will not genocid cover world war and ensu year armenian premedit and systemat genocid complet centuri polici annihil turk and kurd savag murder million muslim and deport rest year homeland attempt genocid justli regard instanc genocid centuri act entir peopl thi event incontrovert proven historian govern and intern polit leader such ambassador mark bristol william langer ambassador layard jame barton stanford shaw arthur chester john dewei robert dunn papazian nalbandian ohanu appressian jorg blanco villalta gener nikolayef gener bolkovitinof gener prjevalski gener odiselidz meguerditch kazimir motayef twerdokhlebof gener hamelin rawlinson aveti aharonian stephan eshnani varandian gener bronsart arfa hamlin bogho nubar sarki atamian katchaznouni rachel bortnick halid edip mccarthi allen paul muratoff and hurewitz professor govern emeritu director middl east institut columbia univers bernard lewi cleveland dodg professor eastern histori princeton univers halil inalcik univers professor ottoman histori member american academi art scienc univers chicago peter golden professor histori rutger univers newark stanford shaw professor histori univers california lo angel thoma naff professor histori director middl east research institut univers pennsylvania ronald jen associ professor histori asian studi univers illinoi howard reed professor histori univers connecticut dankwart rustow distinguish univers professor polit scienc citi univers graduat school york john wood associ professor middl eastern histori univers chicago john masson smith professor histori univers california berkelei alan fisher professor histori michigan state univers avigdor levi professor histori brandei univers andrea bodrogligetti professor histori univers california lo angel kathleen burril associ professor turkish studi columbia univers roder davison professor histori georg washington univers walter denni professor histori univers massachusett caesar farah professor histori univers minnesota tom goodrich professor histori indiana univers pennsylvania tibor halasi kun professor emeritu turkish studi columbia univers justin mccarthi professor histori univers louisvil jon mandavil professor histori portland state univers oregon robert olson professor histori univers kentucki madelin zilfi professor histori univers maryland jame stewart robinson professor turkish studi univers michigan list and and serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	raffi kojian armenian and jew blatantli ly articl galaxi ucr edu raffi watnxt ucr edu raffi kojian write sedar serdar kocaoglan your second quot sahak melkonian frankli invent love your head wasn screw that happen window and fascist soviet armenian govern east soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul power tear veil illus that creat for ourselv sever artifici life support system imagin ethnic puriti that fals trust structur that can support heart beat thi alien land sahak melkonian preserv armenian puriti you lie and invent quot us date you sound asala sdpa arf idiot clown crook you prefer imagin that ambassador bristol and armenian jewish scholar mislead arromdian guest typic armenian clown sourc librari congress bristol paper gener correspond contain dashnak soviet armenian govern power world pot boil attack kurd turk and tartar commit outrag moslem massacr moslem and rob and destroi home last two year armenian russian caucasu shown abil govern and abil govern handl race power sourc gener bronsart wrote follow articl juli issu newspap deutsch allgemein zeitung sinc moslem capabl bear arm turkish armi easi organ terribl massacr armenian defenseless peopl armenian not attack side and rear eastern armi paralyz front russian attack moslem folk region sourc john dewei turkish tragedi republ volum novemb armenian boast rais armi hundr and fifti thousand men fight civil war and that burn hundr turkish villag and extermin popul armenia not soviet republ burst your bubbl clown armenian scholar sourc hovannisian richard armenia road independ univers california press berkelei and lo angel addit kar and batum oblast empir increas area transcaucasia squar mile estim popul entir region percent armenian percent georgian and percent moslem group tatar paradox bare transcaucasia armenian live erevan guberniia christian constitut major uezd erevan uezd administr center provinc had armenian compar moslem time russian censu armenian had establish scant major percent guberniia had risen percent inhabit thi impress chang provinc ethnic charact notwithstand ev creation armenian republ solid block tartar continu domin southern district outskirt ereven border persia map histor armenia and map administr subdivis transcaucasia percent turk close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for tartar and proceed work extermin troop surround villag villag resist offer artilleri knock hut into heap stone and dust and villag unten and inhabit fled into field bullet and bayonet complet work tartar escap found refug mountain succeed cross border into turkei rest kill and that length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki hot plain ararat cold mountain plateau north dot mute mourn ruin tartar villag quiet villag for howl wolv and jackal that visit paw scatter bone dead ohanu appressian men that for your quot love sourc sourc men that leonard ramsden hartil bobb merril compani indianapoli page memoir armenian offic particip genocid million muslim peopl foreword for exampl camp night half ruin tartar mosqu habit build destroi villag border persia and russian armenia even ask ohanu histori villag and destruct matter fact repli assist sack and destruct and wit slai bone you dai scatter ruin and second paragraph close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for tartar and proceed work extermin troop surround villag villag resist offer artilleri knock hut into heap stone and dust and villag unten and inhabit fled into field bullet and bayonet complet work tartar escap found refug mountain succeed cross border into turkei rest kill and that length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki hot plain ararat cold mountain plateau north dot mute mourn ruin tartar villag quiet villag for howl wolv and jackal that visit paw scatter bone dead second paragraph tartar for part poor live villag and cultiv small farm continu life nomad forefath drove flock and herd vallei vallei plain mountain and mountain plain pasturag chang season rang salt desert shore caspian sea into mighti caucasu mountain even villag tartar primit peopl semicivil can that armenian frankli despis tartar and hold disproportion share wealth countri regard and treat inferior fact that russian look armenian armenian regard tartar prove bond ourselv and racial neighbor intensifi attitud and conduct part that serv exacerb hostil second paragraph men arm gather togeth and advanc tartar section villag light hous and door bar for tartar suspect happen and great fear men hammer door respons smash door and began carnag that continu last tartar slain hideou night cower home terror unabl shut ear pierc scream helpless victim and loud shout men morn work finish second paragraph thing member dashnack parti administr experi govern institut quickli prove incompet rule legitim mean member govern had revolutionist work secret and law legal institut recogn govern bodi destini armenia hand prove incompet resum terrorist tactic that had character fight russian and turkish govern outlaw dai outstand featur rule that power dai trial and execut hear man evok displeasur govern offici and condemn arrest prefer charg method execut for govern mauserist walk condemn man home street place pistol back head and blow brain thi simpl get rid undesir view govern and common pai debt paragraph soldier succeed drive bayonet tartar point weapon emerg back anoth soldier seiz rock and pound tartar head armenian had bayonet sprang feet wrest weapon tartar bodi and rais lip lick clean blood exclaim russian slodkei slodkei sweet second paragraph even pass had tartar villag ruin fire burn fire and seat group soldier two tartar girl mere children girl crouch ground cry softli suppress sob ly scatter ground broken household utensil and furnish tartar peasant home bodi dead paragraph asleep night awaken persist cry child aros and investig full moon enabl make and reveal wreck and litter tragedi that had enact guid child cry enter yard hous judg appear home turkish famili corner yard found women dead throat had cut ly breast small child girl year slowli train oxcart lumber snow cart jolt and load swai boi ran line oxen encourag shrill tartar cri and belabor beast stick cart women veil tartar held children arm wrap blanket and huddl good that burden cart sought protect wind and cold men plod foot across road ravin barrier had thrown lead oxteam reach thi barrier and halt gunmen and ruffian conceal rock open fire women and children leap and scrambl cart scream ran and sought vainli for safeti thi massacr not complet armenian soldier barrack hear fire and turmoil hurri scene that dai abandon tartar quarter alexandropol loot and complet destroi great swarm peasant had come hide place retreat turk armi advanc enter into citi armi and immedi began plunder store that had left turk terribl vengeanc tartar kurd and turk villag destroi and slain driven countri fanat dashnack hate turk and order diminish intens tartar kurd and russian and second paragraph russian troop terribl thing turkish villag armenian not spare tartar persist slaughter prison loot and rape and massacr helpless becom commonplac action expect and accept matter scene massacr dead lai ground number fallen leav forest had helpless and defenseless sheep had not di soldier die heat battl fire ardor and courag weapon hand and exchang blow for blow had di helpless heart and brain burst horror wors death paragraph thi movement thousand turkish soldier had captur russian and left hand russian abandon struggl retreat karakli two thousand poor devil cruelli put death sicken brutal displai not make effect protest mercifulli shot burn death method emploi put quantiti straw into hut and crowd hut turk set fire straw paragraph tartar section town longer exist pile ruin had destroi and inhabit slaughter fate befel tartar section khankandi second paragraph men had serv russian armi and train soldier armenian rich and possess arm tartar had never receiv militari train poor and possess arm knive shortli kill tartar villag revolut russia suppress paragraph year begin movement invis govern armenian armenian had establish turkish armenia arm opposit turkish govern thi secret govern had court and law and armi assassin call mauserist profession killer enforc decre paragraph dashnack continu open rebellion turkish govern paragraph dashnack engin gener revolt armenian turkish armenia mistaken belief that european nation interven and secur independ for turkish armenia second paragraph dashnack fanat paragraph dashnack advantag thi situat and extend revolutionari activ into russian provinc institut campaign terror and emploi threat and forc secur contribut parti fund rich armenian wealthi man assess stipul sum refus pai brought sentenc death member parti pledg carri order question man assassin lot drawn select execution job assign mauserist parti paragraph moment victori turk and kurd tartar armenian remorseless seek vengeanc paragraph citi scene confus and terror earli dai war russian troop invad turkei larg number turkish popul abandon home and fled russian advanc second paragraph made cannon huge gun lift requir men made ball for cannon armenian knock tartar hous and drive tartar paragraph tartar villag ruin paragraph dead tartar lai head pool mud and blood beard setac and crimson serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	eyewit account turkish famili butcher articl galaxi ucr edu raffi watnxt ucr edu raffi kojian write anoth thing find interest turk whine armenian take control land that turkei occupi cyru can you gall even open your mouth karabakh turkish troop complet independ island cypru you wieneramu such mess greek cypriot attempt annex island greec aid greek armi turkiy interven legal two intern agreement turkiy for frequent and conveni forgotten peopl island turkish cypriot for turkish cypriot grandpar live island sinc and karabag peopl turkiy quit that greec and greek cypriot will never abandon idea hellen cypru and will remain etern hope unit greec somedai cost parti involv histori speak for greec sole perpetr invas that island troop juli attempt toppl legitim govern archibishop makario releas niko sampson member eoka nation organ cypriot fighter and convict terrorist show that enosi mental continu surviv greec not forget that sampson dedic life annihil turk cypru commit murder achiev thi goal and destroi island independ annex greec greek govern will bear consequ for thi irrespons conduct museum barbar irfan bei street kumsal area nicosia cypru hous nihat ilhan major serv cypru turkish armi conting attack launch turk greek decemb nihat ilhan wife and children ruthlessli and brutal kill bathroom had hide savag greek nihat ilhan happen duti that night decemb pictur reflect greek atroc commit and exhibit thi hous convert into museum ey wit account turkish famili butcher greek terrorist date decemb onslaught greek turk start dai ago feroc and defenseless women men and children brutal kill greek and kumsal area nicosia wit worst exampl greek savag bloodsh wife and infant children nihat ilhan major duti camp cypru turkish armi conting mercilessli and dastardli shot dead hide bathroom hous madden greek broke into home glare exampl greek barbar listen relat incid told hasan yusuf gudum ey wit wound terribl event night decemb wife ferid hasan and pai visit famili major nihat ilhan neighbour mr aysh mora daughter ishin and mr aysh sister novber sit supper sudden bullet pedieo river direct start riddl hous sound heavi rain think that dine room sit danger ran bathroom and toilet thought safer altogeth person hid bathroom wife refug toilet wait fear mr ilhan wife major doctor stand bath children murat kutsi and hakan arm suddenli great nois heard front door open greek had come and comb corner hous machin gun bullet moment heard voic greek you want taksim and bullet start fly bathroom mr ilhan and children fell into bath shot thi moment greek broke into bathroom empti gun heard major children moan faint hour mr ilhan and children ly dead bath and rest neighbour bathroom wound had happen wife rememb and immedi ran toilet doorwai bodi brutal murder street admist sound shot heard voic cry save terrifi thought that greek and found that not dead kill ran bedroom and hid doubl bed pass distanc hear shot mouth dry bed and drank water put sweet pocket and back bathroom exactli had left hour ago offer sweet mr aysh daughter and mr novber wound wait bathroom clock morn thought morn never come wound and need hospit final walk mr novber and into street hope find and walk koshklu chiftlik met peopl hospit oper regain conscious that wound hous and and brought mr aysh and daughter stai dai hospit plane ankara for treatment had month treatment cannot us arm return cypru greek arrest airport relat you told greek detent releas foot into cypru devast turkish quarter tonight into seal turkish quarter nicosia peopl slaughter last dai western report and terribl sight kumsal quarter irfan bei sokagi made into hous floor cover broken glass child bicycl lai corner bathroom group waxwork children pile top murder mother room glimps bodi woman shot head thi told home turkish armi major famili had kill mob violenc todai dai and lai rene maccol and daniel mcgeachi daili express bathroom bodi mother and infant children murder father turkish offic max clo figaro januari serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	genocid azeri peopl armenian articl galaxi ucr edu raffi watnxt ucr edu raffi kojian write treatment armenian azeri equal treatment bosnian muslim get bosnian serb that result live altern univers arromdian asala sdpa arf terror and revision triangl you ian for real final goodby azerbaijan photo associ press cemeteri agdam azerbaijan famili member and friend griev burial victim kill fight nagorno karabagh chingiz iskandarov hug coffin contain remain brother victim copi koran lai atop coffin york time final embrac photo associ press chingiz iskenderov weep coffin hold remain brother rel griev azarbaijani cemeteri yesterdai amid burial victim kill fight nagorno karabagh washington post nagorno karabagh victim buri azerbaijani town refuge claim hundr di armenian attack bodi todai two children and women shot chest appear close rang anoth refuge treat agdam hospit includ multipl stab wound thoma goltz washington post armenian burn azeri villag unrest armenian guerilla attack strateg azeri villag nagorno karabagh and burn ground tuesdai commonwealth televis report channel televis villag malybeili khodzhalin district cut and larg number wound left strand itar tass new agenc peopl kill and wound attack villag tass shell fire armenian villag into azeri popul town susha mile south stepenakert demolish two hous and damag fierc fight flare two week ago crash azeri helicopt karabagh peopl di reuter turkish daili new ci command pull troop karabagh elif kaban reuter correspond agdam report that battl wednesdai azeri buri score peopl di armenian overran town khojali second biggest azeri settlement area world turn back happen dy and you watch mourner shout group journalist helen womack independ armenian soldier massacr hundr flee famili attack kill soldier and volunt defend women and children turn gun terrifi refuge survivor describ happen that real slaughter began azer hajiev soldier surviv armenian shot and shot and and start carv peopl bayonet and knive year man had shot back walk brush open and peopl fall wife fell child thoma goltz sundai time armenian raid leav azeri dead flee khojali peopl kill tuesdai attack azerbaijani televis show truckload corps evacu khocali area brian killen reuter washington time atroc report horrifi azerbaijan azeri offici return thi town mile brought back dead children back head blown women and children had scalp assad faradzev aid karabagh azeri governor azeri televis show pictur truckload bodi brought azeri town agdam face appar scratch knive ey goug brian killen reuter washington time massacr armenian report republ armenia reiter denial that milit had kill azeri dozen bodi scatter area lent credenc azerbaijani report massacr reuter york time kill rife nagorno karabagh moldova journalist area report dozen corps includ civilian and azerbaijani offici armenian began shoot sought recov bodi fred hiatt washington post bodi mark site karabagh massacr local truce enforc azerbaijani collect dead and refuge hide hill and forest bodi ordinari peopl dress poor ugli clorh worker policeman and two appar nation volunt wear uniform rest civilian includ women and small children two group appar famili had fallen togeth children cradl women arm includ small girl had terribl head injuri face left survivor told armenian shoot point blank lai ground anatol lieven time london karabagh survivor flee mountain geyush gassanov deputi mayor khocali that armenian troop surround town tuesdai accompani six light tank and armour carrier thought bombard villag had past and retreat attack and defenc forc couldn tank survivor describ had fire repeatedli mountain safeti for two dai crawl avoid gunfir sukru aslanov daughter kill battl for khodjali and brother and son di road anatol lieven time london corps litter hill karabagh swoop low snow cover hill nagorno karabagh scatter corps appar refuge had shot ran suddenli thump azerbaijani helicopt had fire armenian anti aircraft post anatol lieven time london polic western azerbaijan had recov bodi azerbaijani kill fled armenian assault disput enclav nagorno karabagh and block recov bodi wall street journal exit troop attack nagorno karabagh withdraw halt armenian blame video footag and report khocali paint grim pictur widespread civilian death and mutil woman feet appear bound paul quinn judg boston globe continu serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	armenia and azerbaijan two view articl sea smu edu pt sea smu edu paul thompson schreiber post pt armenia and azerbaijan two view pt pt washington report middl east affair pt april vol pt pt pt pt pt life blockad yerevan pt pt nanci najarian najarian wrote person observ wish counter realiti describ fine pt pt pt pt conflict nagorno karabakh azeri perspect pt pt alec rasizad pt pt western reader learn nagorno upper karabakh controversi report that remot area western correspond and commentari member long establish armenian american commun azeri view thi disput appear rare western new media present washington report reader basic truth origin conflict past two year read commentari subject small minor writer armenia azeri interest armenian leader claim that azerbaijan oppress and expel armenian minor azerbaijani republ initi banish azeri minor and convert armenian republ into homogen state began winter azeri driven armenia that move massacr armenian azerbaijani citi sumgait februari and two year baku januari thi not true simpli check newspap will quot independ human right report pax cristi netherland septemb page read mid novemb incid place place azerbaijan apf azeri popular front challeng communist parti for power ten dai author tank reimpos power nakhitchevan last armenian villag deport ganja armenian attack and kill armenian inhabit fled citi novemb and decemb refuge ganja arriv armenia azeri armenia chase thi part world februari start organ anti armenian pogrom azerbaijan come novemb and decemb azeri parliamentari committe compil evid indic that event inspir moscow secur russian imperi rule transcaucasu roman principl divid and rule similar conspiraci evid year histori conflict interest that azeri kill burnt rape armenian perpetr blame russian and armenian occas each time parti reach agreement zheleznovodsk moscow tehran rome geneva and alma ata invis hand provok bloodsh interest maintain azeri armenian conflict georgian turmoil imperialist forc russia and iran incorrect peopl nagorno karabakh involv agreement never azerbaijan sit armenian nagorno karabakh will never end thi conflict armenian offens last spring creat azeri refuge captur town upper and lower karabakh and adjac rural district todai azeri refuge throng citi baku and environ provid problem for newli elect popular front govern oppos rigidli nationalist nation independ parti call war azerbaijani didn deport and armenian nagorno karabakh live wai armenian cultur armenian not had defend exist azeri not assum that armenian roll and plai dead can western style democraci surviv small muslim countri million million inhabit unemploi absenc intern effort azeri refuge kurdish and bosnian refuge help can azeri govern reject demand exil recaptur land home and possess azeri govern thought such thning attempt depriv armenian land home and possess such simpl realiti understood west misunderstand caucasian polit lead western and russian public opinion imagin perman and irrevers ethnic and religi rivalri caucasu true and you alec rasizad practic you preach western reluct interfer deriv thi idea meanwhil continu war draw eastern and western state into conflict activ secur allianc includ armenian side moscow led commonwealth forc tashkent mutual secur pact sign azeri side turkei involv guarantor nakhichevan autonomi kar treati oct includ north atlant treati forc western interfer turkish intervent moment turkei dare step into thi conflict will close door chanc turkei part europ will and will destroi eastern anatolia rasizad intern realpolitik not simpl mind you upper karabakh gener describ western press report armenian enclav azerbaijan truth that armenian began middl last centuri incorrect onc scan histori address such foolish claim armenian todai refer area nagorno karabakh artsakh come urartian term urtekh urtekhini azeri ancient greek refer artsakh orkhistena azeri half centuri artsakh part ervandid armenia media azeri end centuri artsakh part armenian kingdom ervan azeri artsakh part armenian empir tigran orkhistena artsakh refere strabo part armenia azeri armenia divid persian and byzantin empir artsakh part armenia azeri end centuri utik and artsakh princip aranshakhik azeri centuri artsakh dialect armenian form azeri emperor konstantin addresse letter princ khachen armenia khachen central princip artsakh azeri decre paul number armenian famili thi area state centuri that armenian central asia asia minor and kurdistan began exercis polit influenc plane artsakh caucasian muslim karabakh karabagh becom part russia officiallt part russia muslim karabakh number armenian church nagorno karabagh priest parishion armenian town and villag armenian percentag popul max azeri karabakh assum kurd statement azerbaijani revcom decemb worker peasant govern azerbaidzan inform proclam armenia soviet socialist republ send brother peopl thi dai previou boundari armenia and azerbaidzan annul nagornyi karabakh zangezur and nakhichevan recogn integr part armenian sociali republ long live brotherhood and union worker and peasant soviet armenia and azerbaidzan chairman revcom azerbaidzan narimanov peopl commissar for foreign affair guseinov year ago celebr anniversari resettl persia karabakh russian rule incorrect celebr anniversari russian rule caucasu includ karabakh time russian coloni administr drew russian and german settler welcom azeri american react larg number armenian live southern california suddenli claim armenian homeland and demand separ california sequitur armenian historian insist that armenian resettl karabakh inhabit aborigin christian that correct armenian historian don thi peopl mediev caucasian albania adopt christian fourth centuri ancient resid had link and noth common armenian caucasian alban armenian apostol faith and util armenian languag liturgi make such argument total invalid azeri claim successor albania sinc azeri for centuri inhabit domin and develop karabakh part azeri nation wish part peopl exist for millennium for geo polit advantag outrag addit such absurd azeri claim turk persian and azer minor such lezgian kurd tat talish and host nation amount half popul azerbaijan armenia and azerbaijan last year sign final act confer secur and cooper europ and pari charter for europ confirm mutual adher principl inviol exist border thi principl mean that border and territori integr republ azerbaijan guarante signatori nation not turkei such agreement not give azerbaijan popul karabakh armenian thi kei intervent behalf csce commonwealth nato iran second kei unti caucasian knot determin aggressor definit fine azerbaijan refus troop into armenian enclav azerbaijan afraid perhap fact that territori home armenian definit support local popul that accomplish intern commun can and appli aggressor caucasu intern sanction such present emploi serbia and montenegro yugoslavia such decis collect intern action can halt aggress karabakh and prevent armenian azeri conflict grow and spread azerbaijan refus armenian karabakh determin futur issu not view isol event context action that will address karabakh conflict view event war isol and context view land normandi act alli aggress alec rasizad senior research offic academi scienc azerbaijan visit research harriman institut columbia univers york david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia not learn lesson center for region studi anatolia and forgotten box punish inflict cambridg late turkish presid turgut ozal
talk.politics.mideast	text presid clinton letter congress iranian asset press releas white hous text presid clinton letter congress iranian asset nation desk contact white hous press offic washington letter presid clinton wrote congress iranian asset congress unit state herebi report congress develop sinc last presidenti report novemb nation emerg respect iran that declar execut order novemb and matter relat execut order octob thi report submit pursuant section intern emerg econom power act and section intern secur and develop cooper act thi report cover event march last report date novemb cover event octob amend iranian transact regul itr cfr part iranian asset control regul iacr cfr part sinc last report offic foreign asset control fac depart treasuri continu process applic for import licens itr previous report recent amend itr result substanti decreas number applic receiv relat import nonfung iranian origin good report period custom servic continu effect numer seizur iranian origin merchandis primarili carpet for violat import prohibit itr fac and custom servic investi gation violat result forfeitur action and imposit civil monetari penalti addit forfeitur and civil penalti action review iran unit state claim tribun tribun establish hagu pursuant algier accord continu make progress arbitr claim sinc last report tribun render award for total award that total award favor american claimant award agre term author and approv payment settlement negoti parti and decis adjud merit tribun issu decis dismiss claim merit and decis dismiss claim for jurisdict reason remain award approv withdraw case and favor iranian claimant march award success american claimant secur account held settlement bank stood march secur account fallen below requir balanc million time iran period replenish account requir algier accord transfer fund separ account held settlement bank interest secur account deposit iran replenish account proce sale iranian origin oil import into unit state pursuant transact licens case case basi fac iran not replenish account sinc last oil sale deposit octob aggreg amount that transfer interest account secur account march total amount secur account and total amount interest account tribun continu make progress arbitr claim nation for sinc last report larg claim decid percent nonbank claim dispos adjud settlement voluntari withdraw leav such claim docket larger claim resolut slow complex final resolv sometim sizabl award claimant for exampl two claimant award million each tribun octob anticip agreement settl claim nation for foreign claim settlement commiss fcsc continu review claim fcsc issu decis claim for total award million fcsc expect complet adjud remain claim earli coordin concern govern agenc depart state continu present unit state govern claim iran respons unit state govern claim brought iran novemb unit state file volum support inform case claim iran claim unit state for damag relat foreign militari sale program februari thi year unit state particip daylong prehear confer case involv militari equip iran file interpret disput alleg that failur court enforc award corpor violat algier accord report novemb jose maria ruda presid tribun tender resign octob successor name judg ruda resign will effect successor becom duti situat review continu involv import diplomat financi and legal interest unit state and nation iran polici behavior present challeng nation secur and foreign polici unit state iacr issu pursuant execut order continu plai import role structur relationship iran and enabl unit state implement properli algier accord similarli itr issu pursuant execut order continu advanc import object combat inter nation terror exercis power dispos deal problem and will report period congress signific develop william clinton white hous nigel allen toronto ontario canada freenet carleton
talk.politics.mideast	muslim women and children massacr armenian articl galaxi ucr edu raffi watnxt ucr edu raffi kojian write come imag consciou armenian sore feel miss glori background armenian never achiev statehood and independ subservi and engag undermin scheme ruler commit genocid muslim popul eastern anatolia and soviet armenia and world war and fulli particip extermin european jewri world war belliger genocid back stab rebelli and disloyalti hallmark armenian histori obliter episod armenian engag tailor histori suit whim thi zeal cover cold blood genocid million turk and kurd and world war sourc document volum document archiv cabin drawer file section content divis command militia command ismail hakki your note not target armenian had independ time long and beauti histori includ independ your ignor characterist ian sarki atamian explain book call armenian commun york philosoph librari that historian origin fatherland armenian thessali greec armenian invad burn and sack fatherland urartu massacr and extermin popul and present world left urartu armenian civil reliabl western historian describ armenian ruthlessli extermin million muslim women children and elderli peopl eastern anatolia and collabor enemi muslim peopl truth that armenian collabor nazi world war and that even todai crimin member asala sdpa arf terror triangl preach and instig racism hatr violenc and terror peopl earth armenian fulli particip genocid jew wwii you heavi drug arromdian damn good world war armenian carri german and cring and fawn nazi that zeal armenian public germani hairenik carri statement follow sometim difficult erad poison element jew struck deep root chronic diseas and becom for peopl nazi erad uncommon method attempt regard revolutionari surgic oper flow blood natur thing for view armenian genocid muslim and jew extract letter date decemb publish san francisco chronicl answer letter that had publish journal signatur amarian hand inform and evid armenian atroc peopl jew member famili wit murder member famili erzurum turkei armenian neighbor bent destroi and remot jewish and muslim armenian histori and havoc and ancestor perpetr neighbor armenian leagu hitler last war premis grant govern return armenian extermin jew armenian hearti propon anti semit act leagu russian communist sign elihu ben levi vacavil california jame mandalian dro drastamat kanayan armenian review quarterli hairenik associ inc summer june vol and stick serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	soviet armenian govern recogn turkish genocid articl galaxi ucr edu raffi watnxt ucr edu raffi kojian write suspect pan turkism blind peopl you don you year world war soviet armenian govern plan and perpetr genocid muslim peopl not live million muslim peopl method us empti turkish homeland inhabit thi dai turkish histor land remain occupi soviet armenia order cover fact usurp histor turkish homeland crux turkish polit demand fascist soviet armenia continu anti turkish polici wai soviet armenia deni histor fact turkish genocid order shift intern public opinion polit respons soviet armenia emploi asala sdpa arf terror and revision triangl attempt call into question verac turkish genocid soviet armenia implement state sponsor terror asala sdpa arf terror and revision triangl attempt silenc turkish peopl vehement demand and protest human financi and government resourc soviet armenia and tool unit state attempt silenc terror briberi and subvers method turkish support turkish polit government and humanitarian aforement method soviet armenian govern attempt neutral intern diplomat commun make turkish case contemporari issu despit effort soviet armenian govern and terrorist and revisionist organ last decad struggl closest systemat extermin armenian intern wall silenc thi issu begun collaps and number govern and organ becom support recognit turkish genocid full knowledg that struggl for turkish territori demand initi stage turkish and kurdish peopl will unflaggingli continu thi sacr struggl victim turkish genocid demand that soviet armenian govern heir armenian dictatorship recogn turkish genocid that soviet armenia return histor homeland turkish and kurdish peopl that soviet armenian govern make materi repar for heinou and unspeak crime victim turkish genocid that world govern and unit state offici recogn turkish genocid and turkish territori right and refus succumb armenian polit pressur that govern free friendli posit adopt unreli alli soviet armenia and offici recogn histor fact turkish genocid support pursuit turkish territori demand that soviet republ offici recogn histor fact turkish genocid and includ cold blood extermin million muslim peopl histori book serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	archiv genocid muslim peopl armenian articl galaxi ucr edu raffi watnxt ucr edu raffi kojian write serdar can govern pai thi crap genocid muslim such thing won bother your problem asala sdpa arf crook idiot stole your brain watch sourc world aliv person stori robert dunn crown publish inc york memoir american offic wit armenian genocid million muslim peopl seventh paragraph and paragraph insid hous come you and dammit stomach isn turkish offic uniform you tree mosqu open space don you nail stud door man push ajar spur leav check corps thought thi charg constant grit teeth and insid place cool reek sodden ash and dark for stone wall had window slit rag strew mud floor iron tripod ember that vent smoke roof beam black soot look bare and empti room fli buzz door swung shut man bodi ly face nake for grimi turban fifti year left face rifl butt had bash ey left slant tartar turk uniform onc proof and quickli gag mess slash genit paragraph peopl live hundr yawn you turk offic sir dawn tartar civilian mufti lieuten doze small hour voic woke dro stood starlight bawl offic keelhaul long and furious never heard abruptli dro broke into laughter quick and simpl child cover for sens guilt thought hope for despit boast irreligion christian massacr infidel horribl revers daybreak armenian villag pour mile women plunder happili chatter raven pick carcass djul haul hovel chattel last scrap food cloth and stagger pack pot saddlebag loom even spin wheel you for lot dro back camp leav shook hand captain bientot mon camarad and for hour molokan scout and plod north across parch plain lot wife look back onc smoke bath doubtless sack moslem villag line snow that iran morn tea dro and offic spread map thi high region call karabakh deep tactic spoke russian contempt for alli neutral zone and distrust promis made tribal chief campaign shape raid moslem villag will hour dro told close side men foot will not shoot us bayonet merrimanov jab rifl dumbshow that for moral dro put moslem terror soldier civilian ask differ dro arm uniform not women and children will fly ridg circl wide expans floor hundr feet fog held solid cotton flock djul li that dro point men attack side whee whistl line rock edg bayonet click carbin plung archo black haunch rippl staff hord nose tail belli take spur armenia action pageant war even heard utica brass roar watch height ag for djul show clear tsing machin gun fire thump batteri cattl low dog bark invis at hunk chees and drank snow puddl mist last fold upward men shout heard faintli shrill wail cloud streak rose darker wisp smoke red glimmer hous wall stone wattl into dry weed roof mosqu stood clump tree thick and green crook allei fire horsemen gallop figur mount and foot tartarski shout gunner pantomim escap rock twist bronz shell nose load and yank breech cord fire and shot wast thought afternoon look vain for fallen branch bodi shot and white burst shrapnel gulli drown women cri length shoot peter hors and rode djul burn flame show steep and tough dens scrub final flatter ground suddenli alder smolder hous across trampl wheat brother arm lead anim calv and lamb fourth paragraph corps pretti child straight black hair larg ey look twelv year lai stubbl meal lai scatter sack tote bayonet had back judg for blood scant breast clot small for bullet wound crust homespun dress boi ten rawhid jacket and knee pant lai face path hut arm reach pewter bowl carri upset dough steel had jab below neck into spine grownup led sorrel djul empti live till look besid dro german speak colonel tartar had not escap dead stori armenian murder turk czarist troop fled north host told duti tab brigand turkish troop shift hidden arm spi christian red tartar come transcaucasu spoke hell that break loos versail put threaten six armenian vilayet turkei control erevan armenia armenian turk christian rule lip smack ironi droopi red moustach that bloodsh smyrna bigger scale serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	such quaintli charm habit armenian barbar and fascism articl galaxi ucr edu raffi watnxt ucr edu raffi kojian write nice strategi sedar you can make stori happen wwi you will confus into forget armenian poor genocid apologist such quaintli charm habit armenian barbar and fascism swing li will cover crime soviet armenian govern not chanc kurdish scholar speak for sourc hassan arfa kurd london russian armi invad turkei sarikamish disast column preced battalion irregular armenian volunt caucasu and turkei command andranik blood thirsti adventur armenian volunt commit kind excess six hundr thousand kurd kill and eastern vilayet turkei sourc ottoman state ministri war islam ahalinin ducar olduklari mezalim hakkinda vesaik mustenid malumat istanbul french version document relatif aux atrocit commis par le armenien sur popul musulman istanbul latin script turkozu osmanli sovyet belgeleriyl ermeni mezalimi ankara addit basar ermenilerden gorduklerimiz ankara and edit author ermenil hakkinda makalel derlemel ankara askeri tarih belgeleri vol decemb document number askeri tarih belgeleri vol decemb document number capabl fight begin excus forc labor road construct direct sarikami and annihil russian armi withdrew part remain peopl destroi armenian massacr and cruelti thrown into well lock hous and burn kill bayonet and sword place select butcher spot belli torn open lung pull and girl and women hang hair subject conceiv abomin act small part peopl spare abomin wors cruelti inquisit resembl live dead and suffer temporari insan dire poverti had live and fright experi had subject includ women and children such person discov not exce thousand hundr erzincan and thirti thousand erzurum field erzincan and erzurum until that peopl had and found destitut situat present time peopl subsist food obtain impel starvat russian storag left occup thi area sourc adventur east rawlinson jonathan cape bedford squar london publish page memoir british offic wit armenian genocid million muslim peopl second paragraph had receiv definit inform horror that had commit armenian soldieri kar plain and had judg want disciplin treatment detach parti had wire tifli zivin that interest human armenian not left independ command moslem popul troop disciplin and not effect control atroc constantli commit for justic eventu held moral respons paragraph armenian troop pillag and destroi moslem villag plain caravan refuge meanwhil constantli arriv plain moslem popul flee person properti transport seek obtain secur and protect paragraph moslem villag plain below had search for arm armenian had cloak such search and not had moslem kill horribl tortur had inflict endeavour obtain inform valuabl had hidden armenian awar exist had unabl find paragraph armenian plain attack kurdish line artilleri larg forc support paragraph arriv thi british brigad announc that kar provinc had allot suprem council alli armenian and that announc made british troop complet withdrawn and armenian occup commenc troubl for armenian onc commenc wholesal robberi and persecut muslem popul pretext that forcibl depriv arm portion provinc li plain carri purpos and manner thi will refer due serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	mosqu jewish quarter isra destruct articl bob co bob co bob blackshaw write believ statement not histori condemn repeat will durant begin opposit true and newsgroup that histori rememb foment hatr us club histori peopl ampl act shame peopl and peopl sinc not parti act refus accept blame for evil act that ancestor commit direct hatr descend commit evil act ancestor obsess discuss past present event larg center prove that wors and that lead make ourselv feel superior becom addict period inject affirm that draw power denigr and romantic ourselv hope that will begin appli discuss consider defus situat advanc negoti and search for common ground parti involv for thi happen can that path make ourselv feel expens long valu come togeth oppos parti not pursu vision passion polar specialist will stai stuck circu upsmanship get precis will work for shalom salam and peac tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin
talk.politics.mideast	zionist leader frank statement elia davidsson write dear pete for zionist you you your hebrew young man last sentenc your post read medina achat leshnai amim not echad medionnot leshtai amim don want address your comment speak for regard palestinian jewish origin talk read and write hebrew and not hate jew elia claim that you not hate not quit true falsiti thi statement easili visibl intellectu corrupt that domin you post thi group your complet lack object israel and jewish ident gener reveal bias that great steam heap hatr you shown genuin hatr for honesti and for object you repeatedli post item quot remov origin context that can us agenda rabid opposit exist israel you us thi dishonest techniqu paint fals imag isra leader can you hate leader li and misrepresent suggest that you viscer prejudic you claim that you not hate ampl bodi evid suggest that thi claim fals obviou that you hate israel and evid that you hate jewish peopl and you jewish you hate jew can doubt thi you will call your jewish background effort claim high moral ground doubt that you jewish peopl fade complet peopl your advocaci intermarriag for purpos dissolv jewish peopl proof that you hate jewish peopl and your effort superimpos meaningless your jewish jew you demonstr that you hate jew person integr decai unmov knowledg wrong peopl heschel
talk.politics.mideast	zionist leader frank statement articl bph dtr usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mark ira kaufman write and you jewish you hate jew can doubt thi doubt don you defin hate jew mean found idea hate jew redicul thing that peopl repeat and repeat mean fact hope you can come definit and not thi person that hate jew jew person integr decai unmov knowledg wrong peopl heschel that move isra armi kill peopl occupi territori move plestinian stabe peopl israel aap
talk.politics.mideast	rabin and palestinian kapo provid safeti and secur for peopl fundament respons polit entiti for palestinian leadership refus accept thi respons respons protect peopl radic palestinian element oppos peac process reprehens argu that palestinian polic forc establish order control peac polit group reinforc realiti that palestinian leadership can not exercis control radic palestinian element effect deal kill palestinian palestinian thi problem that can solv palestinian peopl
talk.politics.mideast	saudi clergi and western support human right bakken arizona edu dave bakken write articl benali alcor benali alcor concordia ilyess bdira write you defend saudi arabia and roll back iraqi invas you charg saudi arabia muslim knew that thing set destroi iraq not liber kuwait peopl kill invas that kill iraqi smaller invas live west and your media prepar you helpless naiv american for war iraq even artifici conflict iraq and kuwait that led invas cia correctli predict and pretend surpris not happen that saddam predict and arrog and stupid muslim choos dead kuwaiti dead iraqi and dead kuwaiti case happen western intervent happen and second case direct indirect result western envolv human right kuwait human right iraq west gave saddam green light slaughter peopl will give reason rich kuwaiti not mind your salv deserv democraci iraqi not don simpl that whether not you want admit that good idea not govern offici religion facto jure human natur ambiti and not piou will rise power peopl thi world countri for citizen leader devout slick oper not necessarili solut view islam state and that turabi that your media made you hate includ benefit secular state minu injustic you read book rashid ghannoushi tunisia hassan turabi sudan you your censur control media make thi kind campaign such moder thinker turabi and quit such extremist muslim scholar bin bez saudi arabia not encourag moder arab world you make sound gui angel ilyess your clarinet post you edit stuff not that irrelev stuff that copyright ceas newyork time issu islam becom biggest enemi newyork daili sinc mortim li select fact that fit agenda and even print racist and open anti muslim editori claim that articl bunch li select fact true person member defenc lawyer and univers scienc professor want fight corrupt uncov atroc opposit activist and shia minor and gener increas awar right citizen thing that common peopl concern for deterior human right sinc saudi clan green light america gulf stai power you that saudi ulema taught thing offici iftaa conserv that oppos member human right committ pro women and want defend and that precis reason that bin bez fatwah impli for illeg thi committe and for claim that repres interest human right issu saudi arabia and you and time chose ignor main issu and select member that committe and defend action includ ban job hypocrici not surpris thi not time offici ulema extremist anti women meat head saudi arabia west continu campaign discredit muslim commun support bosnia guess credibl begin heck idha lam tastahi faf aal shi you feel shame you want hadith translat mean you not feel asham god you will you want
talk.politics.mideast	zionist leader frank statement articl muj cvill srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu alberto adolfo pinka write articl bph dtr usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mark ira kaufman write and you jewish you hate jew can doubt thi doubt don you defin hate jew mean found idea hate jew hope you can come definit come your definit hate peopl reject cultur point absolut neg that cultur gener event and accept view pure oppos aspect that cultur select belief and us histor fact and complet ignor context result hate cultur that describ elia sinc intent recogn that alongsid palestinian experi and perspect exist that isra jew person integr decai unmov knowledg wrong peopl heschel that move isra armi kill peopl occupi territori move plestinian stabe peopl israel aap and thi precis isra societi tremend harm action govern felt had respons perceiv threat you long strident and emot debat pain isra feel forc balanc desir for surviv and moral belief trauma make that choic made wors fact that can conveni brush result reason polit debat for sake reshap tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin
talk.politics.mideast	zionist leader frank statement articl new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write articl muj cvill srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu alberto adolfo pinka write articl bph dtr usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mark ira kaufman write and you jewish you hate jew can doubt thi doubt don you defin hate jew mean found idea hate jew hope you can come definit come your definit hate peopl reject cultur point absolut neg that cultur gener event and accept view pure oppos aspect that cultur select belief and us histor fact and complet ignor context result hate cultur that thing get mix critiz israel and anti zionist not absolut neg that cultur person can posit that cultur that that person oppos zionism and action state israel for action state israel respect human right palestinian peopl exampl action thati oppos jewish cultur suppos uphold exampl respect and jewish peopl learn oppres segreg and year diaspora that describ elia sinc intent recogn that alongsid palestinian experi and perspect exist that isra not want recogn that not make hate jew person not tell truth jew person integr decai unmov knowledg wrong peopl heschel that move isra armi kill peopl occupi territori move plestinian stabe peopl israel aap and thi precis isra societi tremend harm action govern felt had respons perceiv threat you long strident and emot debat pain isra feel forc balanc desir for surviv and moral belief trauma make that choic made wors fact that can conveni brush result reason polit debat for sake reshap that blame put you read thi newsgroup for exampl israel never guilti respond action and action isreal not affect respons cycl that never end blind understand feel and and excus rational explain thing happen and worst part for time intent human not care futur children peac etc etc tim clock graduat student aap
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian ahm shakil yale edu shakil waiz ahm write articl sueslinna minerva ci yale edu jovanov nick yale edu nick jovanov write muslim yugoslavia nation not religion fact not muslim follow islam exist yugoslavia christian muslim yeah that you outdon thi time nick don forget davidian muslim islam not race religion you can white black fijian alaskan guess you didn absorb malcolm interest circul you point islam that stress equal peopl realiz thi difficult for you comprehend your staunch belief serbian ethnic cleans give not that difficult your stomach unabl digest your lunch cool context bosnia muslim nation and talk race civil war term secess negoti gun pen croat muslim and serb polit leader chose fight term secess compromis and peacefulli negoti multilater secess agreement term secess you joke nick chose fight bosnia and croatia internation recogn nation serb attack and start document genocid that make aggressor simpl genocid classic exampl ethnic cleans question civil war and yugoslavia recogn nation you appli principl determin yugoslavia you appli croatia and bosnia you want appli kossovo bye yanni
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian michael sell sell haverford edu write subject europ muslim bosnian oguocha date gmt articl edison usask oguocha edison usask write previou articl josip eng umd edu josip loncar wrote world war muslim kill serb serbian led regim two world war croat kill dictatorship introduc jan josip don offend thi question muslim bosnian context that moslem muslim believ islam islam religion and practis part world not not ethin group bosnian muslim ethnic group belong languag speak languag that serb croat western press us word muslim thi bosnian debacl wonder mean muslim moslem knew childhood chang dictionari thi question flame intend oguocha you ask crucial question that underli genocid bosnian muslim slavic ethnic speak serbo croatian christo slavic ideolog true slav christian and convert islam therebi chang ethnic chang religion poem ngego novel ivo andric brilliantli displai attitud part call peopl christian slav for thi reason war crimin call bosnian muslim turk even not ethnic turk and not speak turkish languag for thi reason genocid label ethnic ident religi call paradox ethnic cleans religi cleans you somewhat close truth you shouldn forget that nation recent invent western europ dai ottoman empir religion main point differ social class ottoman didn recogn turk arab greek serb christian muslim jew for interest parti ottoman societi bosnian muslim turk aren real ethnic turk live even turkei todai even europ cultur that defin ethnic and religion part cultur war rage serb and croat continu wwii and older agenda annihil islam and muslim bosnian carri cover serbo croat war can you support thi bye yanni
talk.politics.mideast	zionist leader frank statement articl aqj odv cvill srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu alberto adolfo pinka write articl new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write come your definit hate peopl reject cultur point absolut neg that cultur gener event and accept view pure oppos aspect that cultur select belief us histor fact and complet ignor context result hate cultur that thing get mix critiz israel and anti zionist not absolut neg that cultur that cultur refer isra anti zionist can complet denial that entiti exist and legitimaci that islam establish and implement state that includ muslim absolut dimension view that cultur regard issu state person can posit that cultur that that person oppos zionism and action state israel that case expect that cultur posit discuss regard issu hand sinc issu center isra cultur hear posit that cultur thi discuss for action state israel respect human right palestinian peopl exampl action thati oppos jewish cultur suppos uphold exampl respect and jewish peopl learn oppres segreg and year diaspora agre you feel that cultur feel confront anoth group that wish that cultur disassembl cultur choic secur surviv maintain moral center sinc cultur not turn matter surviv valu moral principl virtual imposs job balanc discuss israel fault and crime recognit thi circumst and realiti face consciou decis base discuss polit bias not honest and empathet open understand situat appli attempt paint palestinian movement bad and dispens consider realiti face that describ elia sinc intent recogn that alongsid palestinian experi and perspect exist that isra not want recogn that not make hate jew person not tell truth you beg question center symptom issu hate address motiv feel that expend effort inflat distort and rob human context aspect cultur reflect degre dislik for sinc bit that cultur bound due upbring part bit dislik like mix jew person integr decai unmov knowledg wrong peopl heschel that move isra armi kill peopl occupi territori move plestinian stabe peopl israel and thi precis isra societi tremend harm action govern felt had respons perceiv threat you long strident and emot debat pain isra feel forc balanc desir for surviv and moral belief trauma make that choic made wors fact that can conveni brush result reason polit debat for sake reshap that blame put you read thi newsgroup for exampl israel never guilti respond action and action isreal not affect respons cycl that never end blind understand feel and you thi process blame for moral question action side forc practic side you hear pro isra crowd support argument that due fact that you not listen for hear similarli distort pro palestinian pro arab element thi newsgroup soc cultur arab and excus rational explain thing happen and worst part for time intent human not care futur children peac etc etc aap agre agre agre agre respons initi discuss davidsson and oppos present davidsson carefulli put academ frill blatantli side seri hate dislik yesido yesido yesido not find approach oppos davidsson center denigr and denial side degre davidsson view middl east distort connect dislik and reject jewish lineag thi agre you that thi constant accus hate jew pointless not wors label you side perhap impli degre overli enthusiast biased tim tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin
talk.politics.mideast	upi two isra arab kill gaza articl israel palestiniansu clarinet clarinew clarinet upi write gaza citi isra occupi gaza strip upi palestinian gunmen sundai shot and kill two isra enter gaza bui cheap produc and two arab assist crowd strip isra troop kill month infant and year boi rock throw clash two refuge camp can guess thi titl not thought that clash isra and arab result death side and two drive shoot jewish settlement gadid southern gaza prompt prime minist yitzhak rabin warn isra endang live illeg busi occupi territori illeg settl not signal isra send dai will accept jordan west bank feder not recogn west bank occupi territori honest brocker detail kill omit plo hama graffiti claim respons isra had enter gaza car driven man hebron don that thi not isra spy will carri easili identifi blue licens plate arab vehicl west bank isra enter gaza car carri yellow plate stone and burn angri palestinian resid upi show ugli face onc and for happen onc thi year onc last year possibl thousand man low can you for you bigot not transmit will you that close truth babi children ventur home shot and kill isra soldier armi offici joint oper member plo ti fatah hawk and hama connect kassem brigad aros anger armi kill six fugit each group past month group sprai graffiti wall khan yuni call attack act reveng for kill comrad
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl husc harvard edu stojanov husc harvard edu milan stojanov write articl einnocq mojo eng umd edu josip eng umd edu josip loncar write annihil islam turk older serbian agenda annihil german wwii import quot adil zuflikarpas interview duga had serb want extermin muslim wwi love small nation europ serb not that supress rebellion albanian muslim and bosnian muslim quit bloodili thi quit misrepresent wwi bosnian muslim kill and land serb and motiv plunder not fictiti supress rebellion even earlier can point destruct mosqu serbia and expuls muslim vaso cubrilov polit advis serbian monarch regim memorandum expuls arnaut present royal govern stojadinov march belgrad mode remov describ expuls ethnic albanian kosova proce state terror and privat initi chetnik plunder privat initi can assist greatli thi direct distribut weapon colonist form chetnik action organ and secretli assist affair present conflict clan and ascrib econom reason final local riot can incit will bloodili suppress clan and chetnik armi remain mean serbia emploi great practic effect that secretli burn albanian villag and citi quarter emphasi mine event serbia forc virtual muslim late centuri thi polici state terror muslim aid chetnik privat initi continu wwii and todai for exampl muham hadzijah book tradicij identiteta geneza nacionalnog pitanja bosanskih muslimana sarajevo svjetlost write serb kill muslim foca wwii even claim serbian patriot explain action follow inasmuch you serb you sulli serb name you turk muslim and sinc you help not tortur you shot cut throat past year serb repeat slaughter muslim resid foca destruct mosqu includ priceless histor monument complet erad muslim presenc territori claim serb strongli disput your notion that croat had similar older agenda fact for past centuri two croat and muslim lot common and gener had friendli relat your suggest that croat muslim relationship serb muslim relationship complet wrong that croat and muslim lot common not impli not separ peopl touch cri read thi untru part you claim untru explain withdraw your claim croat croatia had contact muslim sinc dealt extrem preudic long time ago main agenda turn bosnia into pure cathol state croatia never had muslim citizen for histor reason not part ottoman empir last major battl austro hungarian monarchi and ottoman empir croatia end centuri remind you that modern croatian nation into ant starcev bosnian muslim croat that contempl move oper sarajevo you confus clericalist croatian croatian nation polit nation stronger for your theori you overjoi that croat muslim allianc bosnia herzegovina troubl argument such intend creat and deepen thi split add thing evan foot describ that cathol clergi last centuri appar scare serb turk serb grow stronger and unlik turk repres great danger for idea cathol bosnia presid tudjman state book that muslim not exist separ nation croat and serb and time suggest even interview foreign paper that solut split bosnia josip thi and work imag croatia intern relat you learn that weak unit counterbal strong player and that end balanc power think brought togeth croat and bosnian muslim thi natur align unstabl work point thi basic fact croat and muslim awar for long serbia exist you wrong you imag stake croatia deep interest allianc bosnian muslim and vice versa tudjman understand thi not choic thi point tension defus earlier open confront develop croatia will surviv will lose lot bosnian muslim end even wors posit horribl that perhap not get wors kei point hope left not bet stojanov happi thi deepli hurt thi not imag surviv concept partnership natur and essenti for croat and muslim sigh josip
talk.politics.mideast	saudia cannot even control upi despit bui clarinew clarinet upi write thi impot updat will omit line and add overhead for sake copyright despit bad new for muslim world thing shape lot kill happen futur bosnia not lot feel martillo stage set don that thing will ten year pessimist realist side can stage set for war impos peopl and govern remot control fight each and oppress peopl confid will fall ventur list order sudan yemen allianc algeria libya year tunisia year egypt face direct colon prevent islam govern egypt attack sudan and envolv atroc fail achiev victori meanwhil saudia face civil war and war yemen sudan north african allianc algeria tun libya war morocco attack franc involv cannot concentr place that syria jordan iraq control cloud clear not end result will back realiti cairo egypt upi cairo base arab organ for human right aohr sundai call king fahd saudi arabia order releas member kingdom human right group group releas moham ben abdullah masaari spokesman committe for defens legitim right cdlr masaari arrest dawn saturdai resid riyadh king faisal univers work physic professor human right and media sourc report media report saudi secur forc seiz public book correspond and document and paper masaari resid reportedli unknown destin london base liberti human right group claim that member togeth massari form cdlr summon for polic question and detain thursdai saudi govern order fire and disbar six activist establish group urg peopl kingdom grievanc report cdlr activist sack posit two state run saudi univers and two govern depart and two lawyer includ masaari father disbar and law offic close aohr lawyer suleiman rashoudi describ aohr practic law kingdom aohr claim that peopl arrest countri connect cdlr appar peopl respond group call for report grievanc close link founder saudi author report anger report that masaari and met diplomat base riyadh kingdom highest religi author higher council ulema muslim scholar wednesdai condemn creation right group illeg and unnecessari and warn call regrett ramif establish cdlr aohr report list human right violat saudi arabia critic ulema posit and argu that kingdom islam law and court not preclud creation human right group
talk.politics.mideast	upi two isra arab kill gaza ilyess bohr concordia ilyess bdira write articl israel palestiniansu clarinet clarinew clarinet upi write gaza citi isra occupi gaza strip upi palestinian gunmen sundai shot and kill two isra enter gaza bui cheap produc and two arab assist crowd strip isra troop kill month infant and year boi rock throw clash two refuge camp can guess thi titl can figur kind derang parent stupid bring infant rock throw crusad jihad month infant don walk street that lead that nimrod parent brought for terror not thought that clash isra and arab result death side and two that happen drive shoot jewish settlement gadid southern gaza prompt prime minist yitzhak rabin warn isra endang live illeg busi occupi territori illeg settl not signal isra send dai will accept jordan west bank feder not recogn west bank occupi territori honest brocker detail kill omit plo hama graffiti claim respons uhm last heard territori disput israel occup not illeg legal allow remain settlement reach arab behavior palestinian negotit team will never isra had enter gaza car driven man hebron don that thi not isra spy will huh bui veget carri easili identifi blue licens plate arab vehicl west bank isra enter gaza car carri yellow plate stone and burn angri palestinian resid upi show ugli face onc and for happen onc thi year onc last year possibl thousand man low can you for you bigot not transmit will you that close truth babi children ventur home shot and kill isra soldier armi offici joint oper member plo ti fatah hawk and hama connect kassem brigad aros anger armi kill six fugit each group past month group sprai graffiti wall khan yuni call attack act reveng for kill comrad
talk.politics.mideast	patholog liar kojian clown dewei articl galaxi ucr edu raffi watnxt ucr edu raffi kojian write that hope that serdar li come idiot crook armenian that compliment your crimin grandpar commit unheard crime resort conceiv method despot organ massacr pour petrol babi and burn rape women and girl front parent bound hand and foot girl mother and father and appropri person properti and real estat and todai put azeri unbear condit nation had histori sourc john dewei republ vol nov armenian traitor turn turkish citi russian invad that boast rais armi hundr and fifti thousand men fight civil war and that burn hundr turkish villag and extermin popul refer emin author field middl eastern histori and eyewit armenian genocid million muslim armenian revolutionari movement louis nalbandian univers california press berkelei lo angel diplomaci imperi william lenger professor histori harward univers boston alfr knopt york turkei europ sir charl elliot edward arnold london chatnam hous version and middl eastern studi eli kedouri praeger publish york washington rise crescent ernest jackh farrar reinhart inc york toronto spiritu and polit evolut islam felix valyi mogan paul trench truebner london struggl for power moslem asia alexand powel centuri york london struggl for transcaucasia feruz kazemzadeh yale univers press haven conn histori ottoman empir and modern turkei volum stanford shaw cambridg univers press cambridg york melbourn western question greec and turkei arnold toynbe constabl london bombai sydnei caliph last heritag sir mark syke macmillan london men that leonard hartil bobb indianapoli adventur east rawlinson dodd mead world aliv person stori robert dunn crown publish inc york sardarapat serv and lousann aveti aharonian armenian review magazin volum fall spring armenia road independ richard hovanessian univers california press berkelei california rebirth turkei clair price thoma seltzer york caucasian battlefield allen paul muratoff cambridg partit turkei harri howard fertig york king crane commiss harri howard beirut unit state polici and partit turkei laurenc evan john hopkin univers press baltimor british document relat turkish war independ gothard jaeschk nesid kerem demir bir sehid anasina tarihin soyledikleri turkiy nin ermeni meselesi hulb basim yayin ankara ingilizc birinci baski armenian question turkei veysel eroglu ermeni mezalimi sebil yayinevi istanbul alper gazigirai osmanlilardan gunumuz kadar vesikalarla ermeni teroru nun kaynaklari gozen kitabevi istanbul kirzioglu fahrettin kar ili cevresind ermeni mezalimi kard matbaasi ankara basbakanlik osmanli arsivi babiali istanbul yildiz esa evraki yildiz perakend irad defterleri cemaat gayr muslim defterleri meclisi vukela mazbatalari dahiliy nezareti kalem mahsu dosyalari dahiliy nezareti sifr defterleri babiali evrak odasi siyasi kartonlar babiali evrak odasi muhimm kartonlari disisleri bakanligi hazin evrak defterdarlik harb umumi muteferrik kartonlar british archiv parliamentari paper hansard common lord foreign offic confidenti print collect foreign offic turkei correspond annual report foreign offic foreign offic polit intellig gener correspond foreign offic ryan paper foreign offic curzon paper foreign offic eastern confer lausann file india offic record and librari blackfriar road london polit and secur box turkei treati peac east turkei and greec lausann confer french archiv archiv minister de affair entranger quai orsai pari document diplomatiqu affair armenien collect guerr turqui legion orient levant armeni offici public publish document diplomat correspond agreement minut and turkei ottoman empir and republ turkei akarli belgelerl tanzimat istanbul kur atas askeri tarih belgeleri dergisi xxxi dec askeri tarih belgeleri dergisi xxxii dec hocaoglu ittihad anasir osmaniy heyeti nizamnamesi istanbul merai tran lozan bari konferansi tutanaklar belgel ankara vol merai olcai osmanli imparatorlugu nun coku belgeleri mondro birakismasi sevr andlasmasi ilgili belgel ankara osmanli devleti dahiliy nezareti aspir agiss revolutionnair de comit armenien avant apr proclam constitut ottoman istanbul ermeni komitelerinin amal hareket ihtilaliyesi ilan mesrutiyetten evvel sonra istanbul idar umumiy vilayet kanunu istanbul muharrerat umumiy mecmuasi istanbul muharrerat umumiy mecmuasi istanbul muharrerat umumiy mecmuasi iii istanbul muharrerat umumiy mecmuasi istanbul osmanli devleti hariciy nezareti imtiyazat ecnebiyy nin lagvindan dolayi memurin teblig olunacak talimatnam istanbul osmanli devleti harbiy nezareti islam ahalinin ducar olduklari mezalim hakkinda vesaik mustenid malumat istanbul ordu aliy divan harbi orfisind tedkik olunan mesel siyasiy hakkinda izahat istanbul turkozu osmanli sovyet belgeleriyl ermeni mezalimi ankara turkiy buyuk millet meclisi gizli cels zabitlari ankara vol russia adamof sovyet devlet arsivi belgeleriyl anadolu nun taksimi plani tran rahmi mutlucag istanbul altinai iki komit iki kital istanbul kafka yollarinda hatiralar tahassusl istanbul turkiy katolik propagandasi turk tarihi encumeni mecmuasi xiv sept asaf muammer harb mesulleri istanbul akboi birinci dunya harbind turk harbi osmanli imparatorlugu nun siyasi askeri hazirliklari harb girisi kur ankara akgun gener harbord anadolu gezisi ermeni meselesi dair raporu kurtulu savasi baslangicinda istanbul akin turk devrim tarihi istanbul aksin jon turkler ittihad terakki istanbul basar ermenilerden gorduklerimiz ankara ermenil hakkinda makalel derlemel ankara belen birinci dunya harbind turk harbi ankara deliorman turkler karsi ermeni komitecileri istanbul eg pren sabahaddin hayati ilmi mudafaalari istanbul ercikan ermenilerin bizan osmanli imparatorluklarindaki rolleri ankara gurun ermeni sorunu yahut bir sorun nasil yaratilir turk tarihind ermenil sempozyumu izmir hocaoglu arsiv vesikalariyla tariht ermeni mezalimi ermenil istanbul karal osmanli tarihi vii viii ankara kurat osmanli imparatorlugu nun paylasilmasi ankara orel yuca ermenilerc talat pasa atfedilen telgraflarin icyuzu ankara english translat ahmad young turk committe union and progress turkish polit oxford serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	sinc kojian grandpar slaughter kurd articl galaxi ucr edu raffi watnxt ucr edu raffi kojian write sedar you your nation mix you becom spokesman for kurd sinc your crimin grandpar ruthlessli extermin kurd and eastern anatolia refer note person diari russian gener odish liyetz turkish front wrote night march alon armenian butcher bayonet and ax death muslim area surround erzincan barbar threw victim into pit like dug sinist plan extinguish muslim group adjut count and unearth such pit thi act world civil march lieut colonel griyaznof wrote offici russian account turkish genocid road lead villag litter bayonet torso dismemb joint and carv organ muslim peasant ala women and children sourc doc azmi suslu russian view atroc commit armenian turk ankara universitesi ankara document archiv cabin drawer file section content act command erzurum and deveboynu region and command second erzurum artilleri regiment prison war lieuten colonel toverdodleyov thing heard and two month liber erzurum turk surpass alleg viciou degener characterist armenian russian occup erzurum armenian permit approach citi and environ command armi corp gener kaltiyin remain power troop includ armenian enlist men not area secur measur lift armenian began attack erzurum and surround attack plunder hous citi and villag and murder owner hous plunder wide commit soldier thi plunder commit armenian soldier had remain rear war dai pass street horseback group soldier includ armenian soldier began drag two men seventi year direct road cover mud and peopl drag two helpless turk mud and dirt understood that noth trick and trap turk join gendarmari chang mind and withdrew reason that turk night patrol not return and knew had happen turk had citi for labour began disappear final court martial had establish for trial murder and plunder began liquid for fear that punish incid murder and rape had decreas began occur frequent januari and februari lead turkish citizen haci bekir efendi erzurum kill night home command chief odiselidg gave order find murder dai command chief bitterli remind armenian intellectu that disobedi armenian enlist men had reach highest point that had insult and rob peopl and half turk citi had not return learnt detail thi incid command chief odishelidg follow kill organ doctor and employ and act kill commit sole armenian renegad hundr unarm and defenceless turk kill erzincan larg hole dug and defenceless turk slaughter anim hole murder turk thrown into hole armenian stood hole hole fill corps seventi dead bodi thi hole can ten ten turk cut into piec thrown into hole and hole full cover soil armenian respons for act murder frequent fill hous eighti turk and cut head erzincan massacr armenian began withdraw erzurum armenian renegad withdrew erzurum erzincan raid moslem villag road and destroi entir popul togeth villag transport cannon ammunit and carriag that war area peopl hire kurdish popul conduct hors carriag travel pass erzurum armenian advantag time russian soldier dwell and began kill kurd had hire russian soldier heard cri dy kurd attempt armenian threaten russian soldier vow that fate interven and prevent act terrifi act slaughter commit hatr and loath lieuten medivani russian armi describ incid that wit erzurum follow armenian had shot kurd kurd fell not die armenian attempt forc stick hand into mouth dy kurd sinc kurd had firmli close jaw agoni armenian fail attempt thi armenian rip open abdomen kurd disembowel and final kill stamp iron heel boot odishelidg told that turk not escap villag ilica kill head had cut ax told that had thousand murder children lieuten colonel gryaznov pass villag ilica week massacr told thousand dead bodi hack piec road armenian happen pass road curs and spat corps courtyard mosqu meter squar dead bodi pile height centimet corps men and women ag children and peopl women bodi had obviou mark rape genit girl fill gun powder educ armenian girl work telephon oper for armenian troop call lieuten colonel gryaznov courtyard mosqu and bitterli told proud armenian had lieuten colonel disgust amaz armenian girl start laugh and giggl horrifi lieuten colonel had sever reprimand girl for indec behaviour told girl that armenian includ women gener licenti even wildest anim and that indec and shame laughter obviou evid inhuman and barbar scene that appal even veteran soldier armenian girl final rememb sens shame and claim had laugh nervou armenian contractor alaca commun zone command narrat incid place februari armenian had nail turkish women wall had cut women heart and heart top head great massacr erzurum began februari enlist men artilleri divis caught and strip peopl peopl into bath satisfi lust peopl thi group save live result decis attempt armenian claim releas learnt that understood organ thi treacher act envoi armenian offic karagodaviev todai turk murder street februari armenian shot ten innoc moslem russian soldier attempt save peopl threaten death meanwhil imprison armenian for murder innoc turk armenian offic told armenian murder that hang for crime killer shout furious dare you hang armenian for kill turk erzurum armenian burn turkish market februari heard that entir popul tepekoi villag situat artilleri area had total annihil dai antranik enter erzurum report massacr and ask track perpetr thi horribl act result achiev villag inhabit had massacr natur silenc night februari armenian deceiv russian perpetr massacr and escap for fear turkish soldier understood that thi massacr had base method organ and plan circular popul had herd place and kill number murder commit that night reach thousand armenian brag detail massacr armenian fight turkish soldier number and cowardli that not even withstand turkish soldier consist hundr peopl and two cannon for night and ran lead armenian commun prevent thi massacr armenian intellectu had share idea renegad thi massacr lower class armenian commun obei order lead armenian figur and command not give impress that armenian intellectu accessori murder for peopl oppos armenian for such action sinc understood that yield result such peopl minor such peopl consid traitor armenian seemingli oppos armenian murder support massacr secretli hand prefer remain silent accus russian infami you russian you can never understand armenian armenian had conscienc commit massacr and flee fear turkish soldier incid that occur recent manifest real natur armenian ideolog noth can undon serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	million muslim perish butcheri hand armenian articl inviso robbiew inviso robbi westmoreland write answer don don even put thi line into your global kill file chang fact that period armenian govern order incit assist and particip genocid million muslim peopl race religion and nation origin and million turk perish butcheri hand armenian genocid involv not kill innoc forcibl deport russian armenia persecut banish and slaughter ottoman armi engag world war genocid treati defin genocid act specif intent destroi substanti part nation ethnic racial religi group histori show that soviet armenian govern intend erad muslim popul million turk and kurd extermin armenian intern diplomat ottoman empir time includ ambassador bristol denounc soviet armenian govern polici massacr kurd turk and tartar blood thirsti leader soviet armenian govern time person involv extermin muslim turkish genocid museum turkiy honor di turkish massacr perpetr armenian eyewit account and histor document establish doubt that massacr muslim peopl war plan and premedit aim polici extermin turk soviet armenian territori muslim van bitli mu erzurum and erzincan district and wive and children mountain and kill massacr trabzon tercan yozgat and adana organ and perpetr blood thirsti leader soviet armenian govern princip organ slaughter innoc muslim dro antranik armen garo hamarosp daro pastirmadjian keri karakin haig pajis liantz and silikian sourc bristol paper gener correspond contain bristol bradlei letter septemb absolut hand inform that armenian caucasu attack tartar turkish villag that utterli defenseless and bombard villag artilleri and murder inhabit pillag villag and burn villag serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	azeri soil occupi fascist soviet armenia articl galaxi ucr edu raffi watnxt ucr edu raffi kojian write peopl azeri soil occupi fascist soviet armenian govern recent armenian attack azeri town khojali and massacr thousand azeri pari base associ for democraci and human right azerbaijan put number khojali victim dead scalp and mutil sedar serdar kocaoglan you even consid bui dictionari you evn definit fascist don you post and prove sundai time march morgu fill azeri head for war thoma goltz report massacr armenian soldier worst violenc sinc breakup soviet union report agdam khojali us barren town empti shop and treeless dirt road home thousand peopl happier time tend field and flock gees last week wipe map sicken report trickl azerbaijani border town agdam and bodi pile morgu doubt that khojali and stark foothil and gulli had site terribl massacr sinc soviet union broke apart last western visit khojali that januari and peopl predict fate grim resign zumrut ezoya mother board helicopt that ferri into town call commun sit duck readi shot and famili victim massacr februari armenian outli villag and govern noth balakisi sakikov father will drive kill dilbar wife coupl son and daughter kill assault peopl had spoken close armenian line knew cross road and unit column ran across hell broke loos bullet rain side had enter trap azeri defend pick survivor that armenian forc began pitiless slaughter fire move gulli video azeri cameraman wail and cry film bodi bodi show grizzli trail death lead higher forest ground villag had sought refug armenian armenian shot and shot and shot omar veyselov ly hospit agdam sharapnel wound wife and daughter fall peopl wander hospit corridor for new love vent furi foreign daughter son wail mother rape butcher lost azerbaijan refuge kill flee armenian deni thi civilian caught crossfir hitler ask world and histori extermin jew todai rememb armenian you idiot for real rememb todai extermin tartar adolf hitler august ruth rosenbaum durusoi turkish holocaust turk soykirimi kill armenian reguardless ag sex talaat pasha you moronian left net asala sdpa arf forgeri clown kill turk and kurd wherev you find and circumst you find turkish children kill form danger armenian nation hamparsum boyadjian varandian histori dashnaktsutiun serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	crimin act soviet armenian govern come directli articl galaxi ucr edu raffi watnxt ucr edu raffi kojian write serdar explain propaganda noth true fact todai main sourc asala sdpa arf terrorist illeg activ that make monei bodi innoc victim turkish genocid crimin act soviet armenian govern come directli scope convent genocid adopt gener assembl unit nation decemb contain provis contract parti consid declar made gener assembl unit nation resolut date decemb that genocid crime intern law contrari spirit and aim unit nation and condemn civil world recogn that period histori genocid inflict great loss human and convinc that order liber mankind such odiou scourg intern cooper requir member agre hereinaft provid articl contract parti confirm that genocid whether commit time peac time war crime intern law undertak prevent and punish articl present convent genocid mean act commit intent destroi part nation ethnic racial religi group such kill member group caus bodili mental harm member group deliber inflict group condit life calcul bring physic destruct part impos measur intend prevent birth group forcibl transfer children group anoth group articl act punish genocid conspiraci commit genocid direct and public incit commit genocid attempt commit genocid articl person commit genocid act enumer articl punish whether constitution respons ruler public offici privat individu had convent genocid exist armenian massacr turk and kurd difficult for soviet armenian govern and respons start murder civilian defenseless faith ottoman citizen children and women genocid and attempt genocid make plan extermin urartu and jew faith ottoman citizen conspiraci commit genocid incit armenian arm revolt legal author and commit genocid direct and public incit commit genocid serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	respons armenian genocid million muslim articl galaxi ucr edu raffi watnxt ucr edu raffi kojian write period armenian govern order incit assist and particip genocid million muslim peopl race religion and nation origin soviet gosh sedar armenian govern armenia didn even becom you clown such mess sarki atamian armenian dashnak sociolog book armenian commun page and atamian quot question concern organ and tactic revolut liber armenia aim parti attain oral and written propaganda terror punish enemi and measur defens creation avant gard revolutionari group equip and prepar for action nation prepar for gener upris organ larger committe constant contact each and subject central bodi organ unit guerilla fighter page atamian book quot armenian constitut mean revolut revolut attain propaganda prepar combat unit and indoctrin encourag revolutionari moral peopl arm peopl organ revolutionari committe espionag countri and exchang inform offici bodi and journal organ financi zone for public collect fight and weapon terror corrupt govern offic spi traitor grafter and sort oppressor defens peopl attack brigandri build road for transport arm wreck and loot government institut recent armenian terrorist act turkish peopl commit brainwash member tzeghagron race worship dashnag youth organ iron tzeghagron set undisput armenian nazi karekin nejdeh atamian loc cit page serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	europ muslim bosnian articl schoina wisc edu schoina fox wisc edu yanni schoina write nation recent invent western europ dai ottoman empir religion main point differ social class ottoman didn recogn turk arab greek serb christian muslim jew pardon your ignor cramp convers administr mechan strictli central ottoman empir classic exampl pluralist social order millet system mechan shape social order multi nation ottoman empir and stood continu matter fact islam principl forc ottoman empir natur us religi criteria differenti commun constitut empir millet system began base ethnic centuri influenc nation sousa write exist thirteen commun ottoman empir addit muslim millet greek attach orthodox patriarch istanbul cathol latin remnant genoes and venetian merchant gregorian armenian attach patriarch istanbul cathol armenian syrian cathol attach patriarch mardin chaldean cathol attach patriarch mosul syrian jacobit attach patriarch mardin protest melchit attach patriarch damascu hebrew two rite bulgarian cathol attach bulgarian exarch maronit and nestorian scholar studi pluralist social structur outlin briefli conclud that social order ottoman empir fit framework mosaic theori sousa capitulatori regim turkei histori origin and natur baltimor coon caravan stori middl east york and gibb bowen islam societi and west studi impact western civil moslem cultur east oxford serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	tradit and histor armenian fascism and barbar articl galaxi ucr edu raffi watnxt ucr edu raffi kojian write year ago that karabakh vote overwhelmingli seper azerbaijan not enforc will that mind compuls liar work scenario and genocid stage armenian year ago soviet armenia reenact thi time azerbaijan remark similar plot perpetr and underdog stori survivor karabag massacr year hatin tell twin grandchildren cut piec front ey told won kill you babi die front your ey year huseyin ibrahimoglu turkish villag khojalu town blown two hour kill children and babi mercilessli you turk you die year gulsum huseyin bayonet year daughter stomach front ey stori li ey wit dai dream stori forg turkish journalist region nonsens such claim clear write british journalist two dai had quot sundai time articl british report event karabag even turkish journalist pictur pictur peopl bayonet ey goug ear cut even armenian radio couldn claim li exagger that mean someth happen situat not bad report perhap that villag khojalu town destroi hour gulsum huseyin year daughter bayonet chest stomach massacr dimens effect thi massacr karabag and environ cannot reduc word western press led french newspap abil close ey noth complic thi massacr yesterdai gave sampl figaro yesterdai print new real event karabag print french channel subject consid relat karabag necess protect armenian azeri attack ag live term human right ag lot organ such unit nation and csce confer secur and cooper europ and rule design fight human right violat intern reaction made intern cooper support and organ claim civil human right violat that live and such level barbar and cruelti cooper reaction and intellectu journalist writer station western countri such franc fast claim leadership human right you serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	saudi clergi condemn debut human right group articl optima arizona edu bakken arizona edu dave bakken write articl benali alcor benali alcor concordia ilyess bdira write ben baz mind and heart blind not ey us respect todai lost minim amount respect that struggl for muslim netter thi gui gave fatwah that saudi arabia can us unit stste attack iraq attack iraqi drive kuwait countri citizen close blood and busi ti saudi citizen and think had not help iraqi swallow saudi arabia eastern oilfield and muslim countri liber kuwait and protect saudi arabia mass citizen demonstr favor that butcher saddam kill lotsa muslim kill rape and loot rel rich muslim and thumb nose west saddam invad saudi arabia noth state depart propeganda saddam and iraq gener never recognis british creat kuwait recov land believ argentin faulkland kuwaiti push take iraqi oil and saddam thought settl disput fashion had left reunit iraq togeth and concentr take saddam strong unit iraq elect govern long rid world feudal dictatorship gulf weak divid arab peopl suit foriegn polici had problem kill ten thousand ill equipt iraqi soldier includ buri thousand aliv and slaughter retreat batallion air defens kuwaiti oil lift finger bosnian serb slaughter bosnian muslim
talk.politics.mideast	show washington for bosnia articl srplfinnkth minerva ci yale edu jovanov nick yale edu nick jovanov write articl sredr venu haverford edu michael sell sell haverford edu write find interest that major find genocid two million muslim bosnia accept you claim that muslim kill remov zeron and make genocid two hundr thousand muslim bosnia that make and muslim driven and continu driven home that utterli ridicul claim and rape women and concentr camp deleg visit report yesterdai cnn that serb give muslim detaine biscuit and cup water dai that sound utterli ridicul claim substanti thi utterli ridicul claim nick moham
talk.politics.mideast	israel apartheid state articl cvill srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu alberto adolfo pinka write articl colorado edu perlman qso colorado edu eric perlman write you present your opinion oppos mine fact you don agre hmm fact and opinion two thing you express opinion not fact abstract you true fact happen agre and disagre complet you give you hundr word mother tongu spanish that comonli us and you will never find dictionari even show you lot mean that word spanish dictionari talk not and you talk slang that never case not talk slang talk languag place listen pinka count supposit that you opinion you judgment base you date agre aren that dictionari refer book for usag languag and for mean word and phrase compris that languag you mean complet case diametr dictionari refer book dictionari contain mean past and can current us that updat you thing you give mean dictionari and standard mean word your chanc face will you that word mean quit clear respons thi thread get that that exactli happen ponder that and guess isn curiou that not peopl defin wai term jew basi movement question hasn ask gee hate peopl draw conclus inform don you hate peopl cannot read not draw conclus that curiou heterogen movement you lead question english idiom phrase and guess you us load question answer expect offens told cannot read troubl subject pinka phd candid field not phd candidaci cannot read law return and jewish nation defin term religion and not cultur ident even defin jew isreal not religi for umpteenth time not defin term religion thi proven you and not law return defin jew jewish mother and not convert anoth religion that pretti religi definit that problem that not support zionism that peopl soviet communist parti even had inspir nobl ideal that chang final result happen ussr you wish compar ussr and israel israel not practic cruelti understand you unabl make abstract you cannot idea text and you liter bad thing balderdash you thi fals make abstract bore resembl fact matter not analog utterli inapplic wouldn field astrophys couldn make abstract and specul gener grand scheme thing wouldn educ and student give good review add couldn draw such analog israel not practic cruelti palestinian isra prison tortur hous had blown armi vast major palestinian isra prison aren tortur and hous weren blown armi fact you protest such measur thi net you intim agreement never directli indirectli not talk individu defin zionist good honest and care peopl talk result zionist movement word you take that monolith and ignor dissens disagr that express freeli and wide base bad can you read you type random you mean word you us you expect reader read your mind can read fine you and don troubl tongu isn nativ tell read word nativ tongu spanish you talk movement action result law return religi definit jew countri that defin nation base religion you not talk movement exist todai you read argument you you can thi read you read talk form racism such differenci base religi belief arab israel cannot serv armi becasu not born religion arab israel not can serv idf you can serv true not allow thing isra citizen happen jew you fine you talk you point your word easili differ not you second person singular cannot understand text thing not explicitli balderdash onc you lot gall and absolut lectur nativ speaker languag educ languag isn your nativ tongu and you problem differ citizenship and nation israel you mean doesn mean exactli that arab and jewish citizen israel right differ keep you that differ social life arab and jew social life thing legal statu anoth onc thi lead question follow religi definit and not cultur that call form racism jewish religion and cultur intim insepar intertwin renounc judaism renounc judaism not that thi true final question jewish and muslim jewish and christian your respons will enlighten sad model decorum and tranquil becom sport battleground for rival ideolog slug glee tim rice chess eric perlman perlman qso colorado edu center for astrophys and space astronomi univers colorado boulder
talk.politics.mideast	mufti meanwhil support genocid bosnian articl hal gnu mit edu steel hal gnu mit edu nick steel articl yzkcu cunyvm bitnet yaakov kayman yzkcu cunyvm bitnet write not condemn mufti for nazi lean and condemn similarli genocid kill innoc muslim not bosnoia herzegovina hatr and bigotri remain that matter practic yaqouv ugli hatr spread kahan and kahanist exempt condemn and allow hate fool not hatr sworn enemi enemi time and that mean kill you and mur dere innoc men women and children shown that mean late rabbi never hate for born into par ticular group and hate and will kill come kill jew recal rabbi kahan word iraqi demonstr you want peac hand hold open hand you don want peac hand hold fist you answer indirectli doesn bother bit indirectli that bother answer like you steel never piss yaakov yzkcu cunyvm cuni edu internet
talk.politics.mideast	name don mean sound disrespect sinc major contributor and even reader thi newsgroup muslim christian and jew question interest impress that islam and christian pai great respect obscur centuri jewish lad judea galile chose thi jew jew mysteri person prefer woodi allen stori juicier perhap accid histori that talk two jew testament father name joseph qur appear zachariah and name differ curiou david
talk.politics.mideast	saudi clergi and western support human right ilyess sez you defend saudi arabia and roll back iraqi invas you charg saudi arabia muslim knew that thing set destroi iraq not liber kuwait peopl kill invas that kill iraqi smaller invas live west and your media prepar you helpless naiv american for war doubt you plan exploit helpless naiv american for your purpos hmm iraq even artifici conflict iraq and kuwait that led invas cia correctli predict and pretend surpris not happen that saddam predict and arrog and stupid muslim choos dead kuwaiti dead iraqi and dead kuwaiti case happen western intervent happen and second case direct indirect result western envolv possibl iraqi had di thi number base greenpeac estim greenpeac had compromis alleg imparti war condemn potenti environment consequ alli miiltari action initi complet ignor iraq horribl environment crime start dump million barrel oil into gulf ahmadi blow oil well real number lot work thi last two year report greenpeac figur continu bandi real number order number kuwaiti kill tortur and kidnap occup includ articl recent post below thi new independ televis new report figur month war report for alli kill iraqi had kill twice total number iraqi kuwait favor imag hyster last battl war mutla thi anoth exampl american and european media plai into hand iraq and facto alli destruct iraqi convoi mutla portrai slaughter thi simpli not true head and tail convoi bomb initi result lot casualti point bomber back rest iraqi soldier fled foot your estim kuwaiti war dead alli hadn invad complet ridicul you acknowledg implicitli that saddam barbar brute you acknowledg hundr thousand respon for kill countri you that man appoint governor kuwait ali majid brutal henchman presid genocid kurd late and recent shi come treatment kuwaiti angel your estim kill fewer had war start joke apn iraq war dead copyright associ press right reserv nick ludington associ press writer washington persian gulf war end world told that iraqi soldier kill point even baghdad put toll that high defens intellig agenc privat offici backped sinc even pentagon settl offici estim releas public dia analyst number iraqi troop kill low that conclus john heidenrich write current issu quarterli magazin foreign polici repres lowest estim defens sourc revis suggest devast iraqi toll fit pattern vastli moder militari claim month war end claim for number weapon scale despit dramat videotap success weaponri shock pictur iraq disastr retreat kuwait argument continu unab happen gulf war heidenrich not question iraqi death toll number that origin air that year ago air forc gen charl horner command air campaign gulf war believ iraqi militari death toll fewer for entir war pentagon refus provid estim number iraqi di dai war led coalit januari and februari mondai pentagon spokesman cmdr joe gradish reiter past statement that isn number that credibl current intern estim rang iraqi troop kill analyst speak condit anonym familiar pentagon report alli death put american friendli fire british american fire frenchmen italian and arab alli postwar reassess wide public armi reluct acknowledg month that tout patriot air defens system effect claim iraq scud missil bush administr initi claim almost perfect record for patriot last spring revis hit ratio percent success record navi tomahawk high tech cruis missil us target baghdad and part iraq turn modest initi pentagon iraqi casualti figur surfac war report environment group greenpeac iraqi soldier kill estim that iraqi civilian kill month publish report defens intellig agenc estim iraqi soldier kill and wound air and ground campaign agenc qualifi that estim percent direct inform figur gradual revis downward hous arm servic committe staff estim dead and wound review last year heidenrich write current issu quarterli foreign polici estim total death toll air and ground offens low wound heidenrich base conclus articl number bodi found and buri troop and prison war interview note that iraqi prison war wound base calcul that half wound escap captur put number wound conserv ratio dead two wound applic world armi iraq set battlefield death figur low wrote real death toll battlefield even even evid suggest death toll below even interview figur base mean that virtual iraqi soldier kuwait theater oper casualti todai bloodiest war not fought high technolog drawn conflict such yugoslavia and somalia
talk.politics.mideast	saudi clergi condemn debut human right group excerpt netnew talk polit mideast saudi clergi condemn robertc moldenhau par saddam invad saudi arabia noth state depart propeganda saddam and iraq gener never recognis british creat kuwait thi complet garbag kuwait faq number maintain not compil rebut leftist drivel frequent post wrt kuwait note bogu argument that british drew map depriv iraq oil follow chronolog event kuwait histori chronolog speech kuwaiti ambassador thi articl origin kuwait thi seri articl attest fact that kuwait independ exist iraq and ottoman empir iraqi regim claim that kuwait cut iraq british order depriv iraq oil and border treati kuwait and iraq repres clear testimoni such alleg sinc oil discov kuwait kuwait chronolog hellen settl khazna hill area failaka island monzer bin sama defeat hareth kindi kuwaiti area wara greek live failaka island for two centuri royal messag inscrib ikaru stone view nation museum kuwait arab defeat persian battl zat salassel kazima area approxim date establish kuwait town barrak amir beni khale tribe approxim sabah famili arriv kuwait approxim date elect sabah bin jaber sabah famili ruler kuwait wall meter long built kuwait citi abdulla bin sabah second ruler kuwait power niebuhr danish travel visit kuwait refer map grane kuwait attack epidem and inhabit di kuwaiti defeat tribe bani sea battl riqqa second wall kuwait meter long built taba accid kuwaiti dive ship sunk caus massiv tidal wave india and muscat kuwaiti currenc mint copper reign sheikh abdulla sabah kuwait sign treati britain and becom protector note below decemb mubarakiya school formal school kuwait open wall kuwait meter long built kuwait step democraci format consult council not last for long total number kuwaiti pearl dive boat reach man sailor and diver public librari kuwait establish historian abdul aziz rashe publish book kuwait kuwait period kuwaiti magazin publish abdul aziz rashe kuwait municip establish amiri decre issu prohibit wear bisht soar price municip instal light kuwait market decemb heavi rainfal destroi kuwaiti hous thi year call destruct year sannah hadamah februari oil discov burgan oilfield gener elect result legisl council bank kuwait open kuwait hous establish egypt kuwaiti mission and interest kuwaiti crude oil shipment export kazima magazin issu kuwaiti magazin print and publish kuwait sheikh ahm jaber sabah had rule kuwait for thirti year di kuwait radio air for time kuwait masterplan drawn khalid faraj man letter and poet di decemb kuwait youm offici gazett issu for time oil struck rawdhatain north kuwait kuwait wall demolish and remov social affair depart conduct popul censu decemb issu arabi magazin publish kuwaiti woman emploi kuwait oil compani april kuwaiti dinar offici currenc kuwait june agrrement januari conclud kuwait and great britain termin juli kuwait member arab leagu decemb kuwait fund for arab econom develop establish januari elect constitu assembl met draw constitut kuwait amiri decre issu provid for divis countri into governor novemb amir kuwait sheikh abdulla salem sabah ratifi constitut kuwait januari elect nation assembl kuwait conven kuwait member unit nation organ august great kuwaiti poet saqr shebaib di novemb amir kuwait sheikh abdulla salem sabah pass neutral zone partit kuwait and saudi arabia novemb kuwait univers inaugur kuwait freed extern oblig cancel agreement june april central bank kuwait establish octob commun satellit earth station kuwait inaugur juli kuwaiti pioneer and reform sheikh yousef bin eisa qina di march govern acquir full ownership kuwait oil compani social secur law applic kuwaiti nation issu futur gener reserv law issu stipul alloc per annum state revenu for futur gener decemb amir kuwait sheikh sabah salem sabah di kuwait sign articl associ gulf cooper council bubiyan bridg link bubiyan island mainland open for traffic amir surviv attempt life bomb laden car ram into motorcad arabian gulf street kuwait fact and figur shed light septemb nation council arab relat invit kuwaiti ambassador unit state saud nasser sabah quot speech kuwait entiti identifi kuwait even iraq identifi iraq ottoman empir kuwait exist sinc continu exist conflict ottoman empir and british and area thereaft sign british protect agreement british guarante sovereignti and secur kuwait british and ottoman sign agreement defin doubt border kuwait stand todai such agreement reconfirm kuwaiti govern and iraqi govern that time that iraq state kuwait declar independ iraq seiz opportun claim kuwait part iraq threat british and arab forc guarante sovereignti and territori integr kuwait kuwait and iraq sign border agreement therebi defin territori and iraq recognit sovereignti and territori kuwait compil firyal alshalalbi origin kuwait establish kuwait attribut barrak ghurair bani khalid us kuwait summer resid begin kuwait back late centuri and historian kuwait name deriv kut mean fortress kuwait call qurain diminut qarn horn hill kuwait town flourish and grew sinc establish utub sabah famili branch utub settl kuwait earli centuri live protect bani khalid that independ and sabah bin jabir chosen ruler for utub carsten niebuhr dutch explor wrote arabia mathematician scientif expedit king denmark arabia document detail arab tribe inhabit coast gulf and case kuwait writer give two name town kuwait and qurain niebuhr chart persian gulf drawn end that centuri map abu hakima histori eastern arabia pub sabah utub good relat power eastern arabia ahm abu hakima conclus document studi histori eastern arabia ottoman rule region second half centuri ottoman ruler eastern arabia fact ottoman rule not even nomin acknowledg attempt restor lost posit hasa campaign thuwayni and ali pasha expedit wahhabi unsuccess kuwait nearest point utbi domain ottoman mutasallimiyya basra shaikh form ottoman control aim utbi extern polici friendli relat forc work gulf abu hakima continu conclus that kuwait not depend basra persian occup basra not affect kuwait kuwait had ident ottoman domin arab world thi ident clear british and french win support kuwait sheikh british want support conflict french gulf area independ kuwait thi seri articl that testifi independ kuwait histori iraq and ottoman text relat expedit carri ottoman wahhabi eastern arabia oil field saudi arabia kuwait and ruler that time sheikh abdulla ibn sabah ibn jabir alli turk abdullah role fight not minor join expedit command larg kuwaiti fleet and us gun besieg town qatif had not for thi bombard kuwaiti fleet qatif not surrend mere hour relat thi question aris ottoman warship refrain particip bombard answer li report relat polit movement that preced account progress expedit ottoman unwil jeopard maritim peac impos britain area sultan and pasha promis warship not us war sheikh war zone kuwait not parti mention treati such oblig sinc expedit not direct had sign text can that kuwait not part ottoman british coloni for detail mention expedit check sourc text modern histori kuwait ahm abu hakima mcgill univers canada independ kuwait thi anoth articl seri articl that testifi independ kuwait histori iraq and ottoman text discuss disput estat call sufiyya zubair iraq sheikh kuwait and zuhair tribe zubair troubl develop possess sheikh sabah estat purchas father sheikh jabir thi properti sequest turkish immaqam repres basi claim zuhair that vendor had owner share and not sufiyya time sheikh sabah requir expel land own island fao cultiv had immigr persian territori recal that turkish offici start show strong prejudic favor zuhair claimant abdulla ibn sabah eldest son ruler kuwait basra father agent case narrowli escap thrown into jail refus make payment amount year produc ottoman author deem plaintiff entitl receiv eventu disput settl wali governor baghdad favor sheikh kuwait decis governor basra favor sheikh appar made for reason writer that governor want win abdulla turkish side and suggest that governor namiq pasha even offer titl immaqam declin nevertheless proceed turk thi case regard inhabit kuwait attempt confront zubair that had anticip conflict and report british agent basra peopl kuwait prepar man abandon town submit turkish rule lorim suggest that final order namiq pasha uphold kuwait sheikh titl sufiyya perhap due report that sheikh sabah object attack zubair decis had obtain promis counten and arm support wahhabi amir addit thi legal matter zubair kuwait had had problem basra court jail abdulla ibn sabah explain kuwait relat ottoman mutasallim basra had time amic and instanc mutasallim even sought refug kuwait pressur pasha baghdad exercis control sourc modern histori kuwait ahm abu hakima mcgill univers canada independ kuwait thi anoth articl that testifi independ kuwait histori iraq and ottoman pelli colonel pelli british resid gulf visit kuwait for time march met jahra sheikh mubarak second son ruler sheikh sabah reach kuwait town march met sheikh abdulla eldest son and heir appar accompani town gate good home had prepar for pelli and companion scarc had enter pelli sheikh sabah thi descript pelli recept that degre run protocol govern system kuwait and administr justic subject comment made pelli govern patriarch pelli sheikh manag polit and caze qadi judici depart sheikh submit caze decis punish rare inflict govern interfer anywher and armi pelli admir sheikh ran affair countri retold remark sheikh had made father year call and die made fortun and can leav you monei made and true friend grappl state gulf fallen injustic ill govern mine flourish hold polici and you surround desert and press onc hostil and wander set tribe you will prosper sourc modern histori kuwait ahm abu hakima mcgill univers canada independ kuwait thi anoth articl that testifi independ kuwait histori iraq and ottoman british had regard sheikh jabir good friend octob event place kuwait weaken good relat octob lieuten edmund assist resid abu shahr iran arriv kuwait special mission resid captain hennel mission find kuwait will establish british line post across desert kuwait mediterranean british war vessel fire usual salut honor sheikh had anchor water kuwait bai salut not acknowledg and edmund wait vessel for dai commun sheikh edmund return abu shahr and captain hennel explain thi unusu behavior sheikh due not ill will princip desir mislead egyptian agent kuwait natur relat british consid that jabir conduct not chang friendli polici british british toler attitud jabir edmund egyptian earlier year want men wahhabi camp such umar ibn ufaisan wahhabi gener hasa and wahhabi tribe duwaish sought refug kuwait protect refuge seek polit asylum countri polici that had adopt earlier sheikh abdulla ibn sabah thi can look indic confid outcom kuwait independ foreign power corrobor fact that kuwait prepar defend power neighbor thi defens depend not wall citi bedouin tribe neighborhood and merchant fleet equip gun compar arab fleet time kuwait posit and can safe state that manag maintain neutral polici regard struggl wahhabi and egyptian relat british and even pasha baghdad continu good term sourc modern histori kuwait ahm abu hakima mcgill univers canada recov land believ argentin faulkland kuwaiti push take iraqi oil and saddam thought settl disput fashion you thi cartoonish you thi post your proof had left reunit iraq togeth and concentr take saddam strong unit iraq elect govern long rid world feudal dictatorship gulf standard uwisc drop sinc iraq had elect govern
talk.politics.mideast	jew shoot muslim infant articl midwai uchicago edu clmn midwai uchicago edu write articl boni boni jake boni boni jake livni write you miss point that state middl east and north africa constant border and territori disput not mention boil hatr for each remov israel not chang thi pictur love israel true that arab jewish conflict palestin almost year primari instabl middl east explain remov israel eqat eas situat iran iran iraq iraq iraq kuwait syria lebanon libya algeria egypt sudan human right freedom press and religion slaveri govern oppress authoritarian societi solv remov israel middl east jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	jew shoot muslim infant articl cbfsb att sadek cbnewsg att moham sadek write mention that hounor and rightiou defend oneself fight brutal occup and restor freedom oneself peopl not islam teach mind individu honor place bomb passeng airlin promis execut rushdi kill million peopl iran iraq war murder tourist and persecut ethinc christian egypt massacr christian sudan harass christian and bar jew saudi arabia paranoid muslim righteou defend themsselv situat even afraid amaz true that suffer religi persecut practic onc your hater islam fill thi net foam that you post central jersei thi odd comment come you dare you speak your mind middl east countri israel jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	jew shoot muslim infant articl midwai uchicago edu clmn midwai uchicago edu write articl mcd boni boni jake boni boni jake livni write palestin name that area jew had govern for long time palestinean nation recent polit invent decad thi jew jake that thi true jew dismiss palestinian nation peril new doesn obviat realiti isra nation phenomenum isra nation zionism nation jewish peopl jewish peopl not phenomenon palestinean nation nation arab peopl arab for long time dozen state larg and small cover middl east specif palestinean nation nation arab region palestin egyptian nation nation arab region egypt palestinean state exist onc palestin call jordan justif carv second and tini palestinean state jewish state small justif carv anoth american state mexico jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	palestin articl ysub ysu edu ysub ysu edu write benjamin zionist friend amaz that pig you left thi planet occupi palestin becom prison for inhabit you zionist network world and call chosen peopl god god and for long breath left will fight for freedom benjamin don rest easili for write your name and identifi you coward that hide your blind rhetor bewar jle mossad agent wil come and you tsiel tsiel ohayon jcpl thi messag will destruct second employ not opinion
talk.politics.mideast	arab assoc nazareth center for polici research cpr subject arab assoc nazareth arab associ for human right box nazareth israel phone fax arab associ for human right hra form address discriminatori practic and human right abus israel palestinian citizen uniqu associ concern civil polit econom social and cultur right palestinian nation minor israel issu concern land confisc educ prison condit unemploy tortur and unequ alloc israel resourc todai palestinian arab live green line pre border israel constitut israel citizen for empti citizenship system gear exclus for jewish popul legal and practic israel proclaim jewish state and earli promis equal for jewish citizen not fulfil thi appar area strongli affect palestinian nation minor arab agricultur land confisc sinc arab sector vastli underfund and not receiv fair share state resourc dai dai level palestinian face discrimin form and find struggl permiss build hous start busi find job educ children activ monitor civil econom cultur and human right abus palestinian green line take carefulli select test case court provid legal advic and assist lawyer occupi territori educ palestinian public right and method mobil conduct public campaign local and intern level research and publish pertin public
talk.politics.mideast	coward jew articl usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mark ira kaufman write for arab armi attack israel yom kippur suppos brave slaughter athlet olymp you armenian that for long long time sourc hagop hagopian part terror attack munich olymp game armenian report februari matin influenti pari daili base unidentifi sourc claim last week that hagop hagopian founder and leader faction armenian secret armi for liber armenia asala arab terrorist stage attack live quarter isra athlet olymp game matin ad that hagopian oper beirut lebanon escap countri isra forc enter citi thi time that statement issu asala claim that hagopian dead wound suffer bomb isra air forc gener believ that mysteri leader aliv and and present resid altern damascu syria and athen greec paper note that socialist govern prime minist andrea papandr and parti accept armenian underground leader open arm and provid assist simpli greec tradit enmiti turkei matin add that asala deriv small portion expenditur wealthi armenian support rest come sourc proce involv drug traffick serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	pre columbian american popul level articl ttinng nsat ipp garch mpg bd ut ipp garch mpg bruce scott write you gave good refer author plymouth plantat you travel account radiat incap provid singl scholarli sourc genocid apolog program amus your exist list scholar and scholarli sourc mine analog jewish holocaust systemat extermin entir muslim popul independ republ armenia consist percent popul that republ memoir armenian armi offic particip and ey wit atroc publish titl men that refer abound rachel bortnick jewish time june soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul power tear veil illus that creat for ourselv sever artifici life support system imagin ethnic puriti that fals trust structur that can support heart beat thi alien land sahak melkonian preserv armenian puriti crime systemat cleans mass kill and extermin muslim popul soviet republ armenia karabag bosnia and herzegovina islam holocaust compar extermin million muslim armenian govern wwi and million european jew wwii tovfik kasimov azeri leader septemb todai ethnic cleans polici serbian dictatorship croatian and muslim yugoslavia soviet republ armenia muslim popul neighbor azerbaijan aspir genocid perpetr armenian govern year ago turkish and kurdish muslim and sephard jew live land cebbar leygara kurdish leader octob refer emin author field middl eastern histori and eyewit armenian genocid million muslim armenian revolutionari movement louis nalbandian univers california press berkelei lo angel diplomaci imperi william lenger professor histori harward univers boston alfr knopt york turkei europ sir charl elliot edward arnold london chatnam hous version and middl eastern studi eli kedouri praeger publish york washington rise crescent ernest jackh farrar reinhart inc york toronto spiritu and polit evolut islam felix valyi mogan paul trench truebner london struggl for power moslem asia alexand powel centuri york london struggl for transcaucasia feruz kazemzadeh yale univers press haven conn histori ottoman empir and modern turkei volum stanford shaw cambridg univers press cambridg york melbourn western question greec and turkei arnold toynbe constabl london bombai sydnei caliph last heritag sir mark syke macmillan london men that leonard hartil bobb indianapoli adventur east rawlinson dodd mead world aliv person stori robert dunn crown publish inc york sardarapat serv and lousann aveti aharonian armenian review magazin volum fall spring armenia road independ richard hovanessian univers california press berkelei california rebirth turkei clair price thoma seltzer york caucasian battlefield allen paul muratoff cambridg partit turkei harri howard fertig york king crane commiss harri howard beirut unit state polici and partit turkei laurenc evan john hopkin univers press baltimor british document relat turkish war independ gothard jaeschk nesid kerem demir bir sehid anasina tarihin soyledikleri turkiy nin ermeni meselesi hulb basim yayin ankara ingilizc birinci baski armenian question turkei veysel eroglu ermeni mezalimi sebil yayinevi istanbul alper gazigirai osmanlilardan gunumuz kadar vesikalarla ermeni teroru nun kaynaklari gozen kitabevi istanbul kirzioglu fahrettin kar ili cevresind ermeni mezalimi kard matbaasi ankara basbakanlik osmanli arsivi babiali istanbul yildiz esa evraki yildiz perakend irad defterleri cemaat gayr muslim defterleri meclisi vukela mazbatalari dahiliy nezareti kalem mahsu dosyalari dahiliy nezareti sifr defterleri babiali evrak odasi siyasi kartonlar babiali evrak odasi muhimm kartonlari disisleri bakanligi hazin evrak defterdarlik harb umumi muteferrik kartonlar british archiv parliamentari paper hansard common lord foreign offic confidenti print collect foreign offic turkei correspond annual report foreign offic foreign offic polit intellig gener correspond foreign offic ryan paper foreign offic curzon paper foreign offic eastern confer lausann file india offic record and librari blackfriar road london polit and secur box turkei treati peac east turkei and greec lausann confer french archiv archiv minister de affair entranger quai orsai pari document diplomatiqu affair armenien collect guerr turqui legion orient levant armeni offici public publish document diplomat correspond agreement minut and turkei ottoman empir and republ turkei akarli belgelerl tanzimat istanbul kur atas askeri tarih belgeleri dergisi xxxi dec askeri tarih belgeleri dergisi xxxii dec hocaoglu ittihad anasir osmaniy heyeti nizamnamesi istanbul merai tran lozan bari konferansi tutanaklar belgel ankara vol merai olcai osmanli imparatorlugu nun coku belgeleri mondro birakismasi sevr andlasmasi ilgili belgel ankara osmanli devleti dahiliy nezareti aspir agiss revolutionnair de comit armenien avant apr proclam constitut ottoman istanbul ermeni komitelerinin amal hareket ihtilaliyesi ilan mesrutiyetten evvel sonra istanbul idar umumiy vilayet kanunu istanbul muharrerat umumiy mecmuasi istanbul muharrerat umumiy mecmuasi istanbul muharrerat umumiy mecmuasi iii istanbul muharrerat umumiy mecmuasi istanbul osmanli devleti hariciy nezareti imtiyazat ecnebiyy nin lagvindan dolayi memurin teblig olunacak talimatnam istanbul osmanli devleti harbiy nezareti islam ahalinin ducar olduklari mezalim hakkinda vesaik mustenid malumat istanbul ordu aliy divan harbi orfisind tedkik olunan mesel siyasiy hakkinda izahat istanbul turkozu osmanli sovyet belgeleriyl ermeni mezalimi ankara turkiy buyuk millet meclisi gizli cels zabitlari ankara vol russia adamof sovyet devlet arsivi belgeleriyl anadolu nun taksimi plani tran rahmi mutlucag istanbul altinai iki komit iki kital istanbul kafka yollarinda hatiralar tahassusl istanbul turkiy katolik propagandasi turk tarihi encumeni mecmuasi xiv sept asaf muammer harb mesulleri istanbul akboi birinci dunya harbind turk harbi osmanli imparatorlugu nun siyasi askeri hazirliklari harb girisi kur ankara akgun gener harbord anadolu gezisi ermeni meselesi dair raporu kurtulu savasi baslangicinda istanbul akin turk devrim tarihi istanbul aksin jon turkler ittihad terakki istanbul basar ermenilerden gorduklerimiz ankara ermenil hakkinda makalel derlemel ankara belen birinci dunya harbind turk harbi ankara deliorman turkler karsi ermeni komitecileri istanbul eg pren sabahaddin hayati ilmi mudafaalari istanbul ercikan ermenilerin bizan osmanli imparatorluklarindaki rolleri ankara gurun ermeni sorunu yahut bir sorun nasil yaratilir turk tarihind ermenil sempozyumu izmir hocaoglu arsiv vesikalariyla tariht ermeni mezalimi ermenil istanbul karal osmanli tarihi vii viii ankara kurat osmanli imparatorlugu nun paylasilmasi ankara orel yuca ermenilerc talat pasa atfedilen telgraflarin icyuzu ankara english translat ahmad young turk committe union and progress turkish polit oxford serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	die zeit massacr turkish cypriot papho and famagusta articl jtsilla sparc cc northeastern edu jtsilla sparc cc northeastern edu jame tsilla write mail thi topic and decid read thought nice share respons scholarli sourc sourc pierr oberl road bellapai turkish cypriot exodu northern cypru social scienc monograph boulder isbn book woodhous read situat complic suggest needless nation greek and turkish side strong and began april confront agean usual govern turkei and ioannidi junta juli assasin attempt makario presid cypru plot ioannidi rule dictat greec fail and makario flee england journalist nico sampson take coup led greek offic cypru nation guard turkish forc had mobil anticip begin land north shore island juli thi caus welcom collaps dictatorship karamanli return forc disagre you greek start massacr turkish popul cypru turkiy step into cypru preserv live turkish popul thi noth simpl histor fact intervent late for victim mass grave contain numer bodi women and children show fate had plan for peac minor peopl turkiy quit that greec and greek cypriot will never abandon idea hellen cypru and will remain etern hope unit greec somedai cost parti involv histori speak for greec sole perpetr invas that island troop juli attempt toppl legitim govern archibishop makario releas niko sampson member eoka nation organ cypriot fighter and convict terrorist show that enosi mental continu surviv greec not forget that sampson dedic life annihil turk cypru commit murder achiev thi goal and destroi island independ annex greec greek govern will bear consequ for thi irrespons conduct turkish cypriot simpli seek guarante that will preclud repeat perform fanat cadr greek eoka such assur not perfectli implement reason expect that local greek will misguid perpetr past mistak such occas turkish side not find satisfactori act reluct for unaccept remain defens cyclic viciou attack true feder two separ section live obligatori peac anoth arm confront that start greek and obligatorili decis termin turk present greek govern tyrann turkish popul western thrace forbid ethnic and religi right establish intern treati advis rememb that misadventur turkiy not serv greec offer membership european common market bait for concess that doom turk cypru extinct not viabl for greec friend turkish live turkish honor bid block sold for commerci gain serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	new azerbaijan articl dumbo mem odu edu farid mem odu edu miandoab write new turan new agenc baku azerbaijan brought you servic azerbaijan aydinlig associ box berkelei fax email farid mem odu edu make hard copi new azerbaijani you vice premier plan intensifi work attract western invest propos summon special session suprem soviet reject prospect trade econom cooper azerbaijan and estonia azerbaijan not intend join ci common econom zone question grant credit azerbaijan will discuss moscow azerbaijan will repli second variant trilater initi announc prosecutor republ azerbaijan azerbaijan parliament intend appeal russian parliament six accus soldier armenian prepar karabakh north caucasu state assist for nation minor develop memorandum cooper extract oil ga field azerbaijan sign armenia take advantag prosecut six russian soldier provoc arm forc armenia unoc compani will build hous for refuge azerbaijan manat begin fall discuss parliamentari elect bill will last till mid juli isa gambar suggest that azeri russian parliament commiss for clarifi circumst crimin case creat will trilater initi ruin fate million ton oil will decid thi summer scientist lawyer russia appeal presid azerbaijan armenian artilleri continu fire azeri district azeri prime minist leav for great britain vice premier plan intensifi work attract western invest baku turan yesterdai rasul guliyev recent appoint vice premier republ receiv ambassador azerbaijan richard mile azerbaijan newspap inform issu attract western invest azerbaijan discuss meet gulyiev state that western capit investig profit sphere manufactur notic that number prioriti manufactur will releas debt guliyev that intensifi activ american oil compani will promot strengthen american azeri relat propos summon special session suprem soviet reject baku turan yesterdai sit milli mejli chairman isa gambar reject propos deputi arif rahimzad summon special session suprem soviet azerbaijan thi written propos summon session sign deput chairman that signatur invalid and propos couldn submit for discuss earlier leadership milli mejli call propos summon special session suprem soviet coup attempt deputi for parliament rahimzad doesn that deput object remov milli mejli and chairman power concern analysi social econom and foreign polici activ republ author rahimzad that deput for parliament eject duti year ago right express opinion question suprem soviet azerbaijan deput dissolv year ago attempt bring ayaz mutalibov back power function hand milli mejli consist deput democrat and partocr that time democrat and partocr agreement that milli mejli wouldn exist for long time and dissolv parliamentari elect time deput eject duti guarante that summon session suprem soviet time and for polit activ parliament prospect trade econom cooper azerbaijan and estonia baku turan prospect sign trade econom agreement azerbaijan and estonia discuss meet foreign minist tofig gasimov group expert ministri econom minist foreign affair and estonian bank administr group expert head tikht reiman chief ministri econom estonia mia azerbaijan inform turan agenc that stai baku deleg will visit ministri econom and nation bank republ azerbaijan not intend join ci common econom zone baku turan deputi prime minist republ vahid ahmedov and abba abbasov declar that azerbaijan wouldn join ci common econom zone vahid ahmedov consid that ci econom zone propos creat common tax system contradict independ econom polici republ abba abbasov pact cooper propos submit for discuss leader ci state moscow number unfavor point for azerbaijan such announc two deputi prime minist sound sensat background fact that presid azerbaijan and chairman parliament note necess republ join ci econom zone question grant credit azerbaijan will discuss moscow baku turan todai azerbaijani deleg head director foreign relat depart ministri financ republ repres nation bank will leav for moscow hold consult russian govern grant credit azerbaijan preliminari inform credit will billion rubl press centr ministri financ inform turan correspond precis amount credit condit repai and number question mutual interest will discuss meet moscow that thi credit will us for mutual settl industri enterpris azerbaijan and russia side reach agreement propos for sign end azerbaijan will repli second variant trilater initi baku turan measur for peac present russia turkei and usa azerbaijan and armenia repres presid azerbaijan talk nagorno karabakh asim gasimov note that plan not chang comparison variant comment point ad schedul insist armenian side not intend come back analysi schedul posit answer gasimov repres presid azerbaijan inform that began work examin commentari and answer request author trilater initi variant peac measur reject armenia put forward number pre condit for accept announc prosecutor republ azerbaijan baku turan azerbaijani prosecutor offic announc that russian mass media attempt portrai russian soldier condemn militari board azerbaijani suprem court innoc peopl unjustifi account wit and confess condemn prove that crime commit togeth armenian militari unit and knowledg headquart russian armi unit serv announc point that attempt repres soldier ordinari mercenari noth russian armi unfound for irrefut evid that soldier list militari unit russian commando yerevan russian circl conceal fact direct particip russian armi undeclar war armenia azerbaijan russian commun azerbaijan prosecutor announc follow that thi type action can make situat region complic azerbaijan parliament intend appeal russian parliament six accus soldier baku turan turan agenc inform parliament azerbaijan question appeal russian parliament six accus soldier fortun offer send repres commiss militari affair arm forc russian feder baku for detail studi result six russian soldier case will direct russian parliament support thi offer such initi will give russian parliament possibl convinc correct investig will chanc discuss reason that rise present situat that russian troop particip war azerbaijan armenian prepar karabakh north caucasu baku turan nation liber front found group armenian live north caucasu appeal establish armenian autonomi territori rostov stavropol and krasnodar region report newspap russki vestnik march publish geneva north caucasu regard integr part armenia document thi organ admit realiz reunion north caucasu and armenia proper present front appeal presid russia armenia and unit state establish armenian autonomi caucasu attain goal armenian organ consid carri north caucasu form and method activ ident nagorno karabakh decis fund cell armenian nation liber front settlement and appeal leader armenian terrorist group greec and iran north caucasu instructor for train armenian youth wage secret war adopt newspap russki vestnik karabakh plan north caucasu state assist for nation minor develop baku turan meet head state secretari azerbaijan ali kerimov particip nation cultur center held baku result realiz presid elchibei decre state assist for develop languag and cultur nation minor adopt septemb consid state secretari call thi decre import step establish legal democrat state confirm onc commit leadership azerbaijan set democrat societi right nation and ethnic group respect state counsellor presid azerbaijan nation polici hidayat orujev announc that spite difficulti undeclar war republ leader state manag solv problem satisfact cultur and ethnic group for todai nation cultur center regist ministri justic capit azerbaijan provid accommod furnitur and mean commun accommod rent free foreign diplomat mission baku hotel absenc free accommod includ represent gener secretari note great work carri sinc decre adopt creat condit for total develop ethnic group north azerbaijan lezghin live nation lezghin theater open radiocast transmit lezghin work creation educ literatur for talysh tat lezghin and kurd and nation teach and scientif staff carri academi scienc azerbaijan memorandum cooper extract oil ga field azerbaijan sign baku turan turan agenc inform state concern azerineft memorandum understand compani amoco caspian sea petroleum explor oper pennzoil caspian unoc khazar mcdermott and turkish oil corpor mutual extract field azeri chirag and gyuneshli sign memorandum gener group prepar common program activ creat presid azerineft sabit bagirov cooper will provid for experi foreign compani effici project main principl will effect us oil ga resourc ration share invest reduc exploit expenditur and maxim profit azerbaijan exploit field memorandum envis necess into account histor and polit econom interest azerbaijan optimum us oil ga field armenia take advantag prosecut six russian soldier baku turan azerbaijani court pass sentenc six russian soldier fight armenian side karabakh armenian propaganda becom activ involv armenian live russia appeal presid yeltsin request displai firm assert right russian soldier time armenian mass media call legal proceed case baku farc aim get arm russia karabakh armenian issu threat recent yerevan agenc snark armenian karabakh present ultimatum author azerbaijan essenc thi ultimatum that russian soldier not shown merci azeri prison karabakh will shot dead simpl explain such touch attitud armenian six russian soldier fate chanc sentenc execut will not anti azeri anti armenian reaction accus russian soldier recruit yerevan defenc minist armenia and transfer karabakh soldier merci armenian side will highli save live innoc russian provoc arm forc armenia baku turan defenc ministri azerbaijan fire territori azerbaijan militari base territori armenia progress dai villag kolli gyshlag shotaraz nyachaflar zangelan district azerbaijan fire kafan district armenia two inhabit wound destruct villag fire villag bashkend mutuder shynykh novosaratovka and novoivanovka kedabek district azerbaijan posit armenian arm forc progress dai divers group arm forc armenia men violat frontier azerbaijan penetr into territori kedabek district azerbaijan kill two shepherd villag aili dara and made attempt flock across frontier azeri frontier guard stop enemi unoc compani will build hous for refuge azerbaijan baku turan turan agenc inform represent unoc american oil compani leader thi compani decid give thousand dollar for construct hous for refuge present american side suggest villag project for consider depart azerbaijan project farm villag each hous person lot subsidiari accommod and program construct and put into oper villag will thi year manat begin fall baku turan black market baku nation currenc manat fell price compar russian rubl rubl manat for dollar take into account offici exchang manat respect rubl nation currenc fell percent meanwhil exchang manat rubl bank state establish and trade repres busi circl and expert present situat explain fact that rubl bought local businessmen rubl for financi oper russia remitt payment republ ussr russia great problem businessmen arrang deal cash take into consider volum busi russia count billion not hard imagin rubl cash businessmen discuss parliamentari elect bill will last till mid juli baku turan presid decre expert group includ repres parliament and presidenti apparatu work word constitut republ azerbaijan thi adopt milli mejli parliamentari elect togeth thi work constitut that evid adopt parliament countri newsmen inform work press confer suprem soviet republ dai parliamentari legal expert safa mirzoyev simran hasanov and repres depart presid apparatu fazil mustafaev and shahin aliev part press confer nation discuss project parliamentari elect law present simran hasanov bill didn object note that altern variant elect law put forward newsmen inform that parliamentari commiss will examin come propos till june june propos will gener and submit for discuss milli mejli isa gambar suggest that azeri russian parliament commiss for clarifi circumst crimin case creat baku turan chairman milli mejli azerbaijan republ isa gambar return letter chairman russian suprem soviet ruslan khasbulatov connect convict russian servicemen lieuten semion sergeant tukish lisov and filipov militari colleg suprem court azerbaijan letter isa gambar suggest that commiss azerbaijan milli mejli deput par expert russian suprem soviet establish clarifi circumst thi crimin case view conclus commiss object solv thi problem such kind problem futur main thing promot knowledg involv russian servicemen crime turn connect russian parliament messag milli mejli adopt resolut perman commiss govern build and legal polici human right and intern relat charg explor thi problem will trilater initi ruin baku turan turan agenc inform russian repres talk karabakh vladimir kazimirov doubt realiz trilater initi express thi opinion telephon talk repres azerbaijan talk declar that case peac process deadlock russia pursu yeltsin initi such statement russian diplomat author trilater initi suggest that russian leadership pave for complet exclus usa and turkei peacemak process thi statement can mean that russia and achiev understand bosnian problem agre partial departur transcaucasia fate million ton oil will decid thi summer baku turan presid azerbaijan state oil compani sabit bagirov declar recent that complet treati develop oil field chirag azeri and guneshli sign thi summer western oil compani amoco statoil pennzoil ramco interest develop richest caspian field plan socar and statoil sign complet treati develop chirag field june amoco and pennzoil will sign treati specialist total reserv field million ton million fall azeri field mln ton geneshli and mln ton chirag exploit field last ten year and bring azerbaijan billion dollar revenu addit net econom profit baku calcul polit support west defenc interest intern scene presid elchibei closest encircl will difficult period for azerbaijan and independ and stand test scientist lawyer russia appeal presid azerbaijan baku turan press servic presid azerbaijan inform todai appeal institut govern and law russian academi scienc presid elchibei receiv appeal contain call displai merci human and clemenc death sentenc servicemen russian arm forc author appeal point that don justifi particip russian servicemen war azeri peopl don call question law pass sentenc denounc mercenari princip and russian servicemen drawn such grave crime end letter scientist mention soldier mother tear and grief prai dai and night safeti presid azerbaijan save gui notic that unlik lawyer soldier mother take part inquiri call grief russian polici word leader that lai live russian men achiev polit aim made answer appeal didn mention grief mother azerbaijani soldier kill sentenc russian servicemen armenian artilleri continu fire azeri district baku turan two soldier nation armi azerbaijan kill grad shell villag kolli gyshlag shaifli shotaraz nyachaflar zangelan district republ territori kafan district armenia night and morn villag tovuz gazakh and gubatli district azerbaijan fire territori armenia destruct situat agder district azerbaijan complic enemi fire region centr agder villag ortakend transport man power and militari equip thi district progress report enemi set weapon emplac fire region centr and villag ministri intern affair concentr man power and militari equip observ krasnoselski district armenia border azerbaijan frontier fizuli district azeri prime minist leav for great britain baku turan minist foreign econom relat rauf garayev interview turan agenc that great britain biggest foreign econom partner azerbaijan iran busi cooper two countri develop such sphere oil industri manufactur oil extract equip commun and agricultur minist word forthcom visit azerbaijani prime minist panah huseynov great britain import expect that visit will solv problem open azerbaijan branch offic british bank insur firm conclud contract sphere manufactur agricultur equip build azerbaijan shore oil platform and reconstruct entir commun system azerbaijan garayev view expans cooper great britain will great polit mean for azerbaijan politician and review baku present great britain european state close azerbaijan continu econom and polit cooper two state foreseen baku azerbaijan phone fax telex meta serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	notwithstand geograph locat greec european articl vax bham ivrissimtzi vax bham write turkei underdevelop you that not issu funni you mention that point palik invari miss sourc unit nation human develop report annual output per person dollar adjust purchas power pariti turkiy greec and chile categori that sourc intern econom theori and polici paul krugman and mauric obstfeld harper collin publish second edit term annual output per person dollar adjust purchas power pariti greec categori turkiy greek govern enorm problem tackl economi shambl corrupt rampant air pollut outrag dimens state sponsor terror name game and infrastructur decai anoth insight articl york time sundai april expos dirti linen greec and describ pariah european commun articl report that european antic greec commun cash regist squander and time even steal european tax payer monei for polit featherbed home princip member commun admit that mistak accept greec european commun thi affirm testimoni fact that notwithstand geograph locat greec european mental and attitud last year turkiy regist great success regard econom restructur sound economi readi integr world economi emerg succeed falter wit year ago greec us export doubl turkiy invers turkiy export exce that greec tourism incom concern wit phenomenon govern turkiy put emphasi infrastructur invest invest world terrorist organ therebi solv thi issu complet question conduct telephon call eastern anatolia west nowadai thi not case and remot town even villag you time long distanc call countri not appli greec fact not easi athen trunk call germani round clock and you happen greek island your chanc will pretti slim not exagger argu that turkiy ahead greec regard telecommun facil greec virtu full membership enjoi advantag obtain huge grant and extens subsidi turkiy access similar financi support nevertheless manag creat economi enabl produc consecut current account surplu last two year such turkiy deserv countri region perman current account surplu serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	egypt ambassador lectur warsaw univ origin messag below find electron copi leaflet put warsaw degel hatorah jewish circl for art and scienc univers warsaw warsaw invit you lectur present dai sociopolit issu middl east will deliv moham soliman egypt ambassador poland time place tuesdai erev shavuot dept arab islam studi orient institut polish orientalistyka univers warsaw krakowski przedmi cie street warsaw poland molah ahetovit lohk yehk rad ahehkar degel hatorah judaistyczn kol nauk sztuk przy uniwersyteci warszawskim warszawi zaprasza wykl aktualn zagadnienia spol eczno polityczn bliskiego wschodu kto wygl osi moham soliman ambasador egiptu polsc cza miejsc wtorek maja erev shavuot zakl arabistyki islamistyki instytut orientalistyczni uniwersytet warszawski krakowski przedmi cie warszawa cicul cp copyright tikvat tsiyyon
talk.politics.mideast	serb ammunit follow current conflict yugoslavia thing cannot figur serb and croat weapon etc don run ram
talk.politics.mideast	genuin admiss genuin homosexu final admit total truth that central core homosexu not normal run mill homosexu rabid homosexu zionist hide facad pro israel rhetor deflect suspicion true motiv exchang romant dialogu nick steel and frequent fudg pack adventur endeavor maintain discreet level for discret obviat admiss truth that longer hold thi saccharin secret longer love you nick and love for you surpass that hold for eretz yisrael stand forev love and your erect insinu into kosher rectum will mark
talk.politics.mideast	chomski caught tail end piec npr nation public radio chomski appar documentari and concept propagandist new media west such funni thing that npr paint chomski and documentari such posit light end report posit documentari show citi and will open citi june forgot titl jim eggertj mit edu jim eggert
talk.politics.mideast	serdar joke serdar told that you not real your account fake confirm mail you and advis not wast time write you pleasur watch you make fool articl zuma sera zuma serdar argic write articl cypress cz bmug org cuzco semikian write overstep bound decenc slander ten gener harmoni peac love armenian you and your kind you mean ten gener barbarian that peopl die sdpa urartu state thi and stand sdpa urartu you stand statement that armenian barbarian let not even act chanc human serdar you judg peopl race thi call racism tend frown thi sort thing you don you label entir race you easi stop think human be and thi can make genocid guess and thi serdar will fill page quot context you that huh decemb sydnei two nazi armenian massacr sarik ariyak and bodyguard engin sever jcag and sdpa claim respons don you find weak that serdar enemi fascist nazi barbarian fill blank catch bad term public knowledg that hagopian began notori career member terrorist group perpetr massacr isra athlet munich olymp public knowleg not awar that armenian decid kill isra athlet practic confus for clear that and armenian foundat stole children turkiy fund crimin activ asala sdpa arf terrorist cold blood murder defenceless turkish and kurdish peopl wow you roll accus todai serdar armenian steal turkish children lunch monei thi cute you insert children thi fill blank accus sheet you fill dai touch heart and you for let that kurd and armenian hate each not awar thi time talk kurd wonder treatment reciev turkei high inced insan lot fight oppres turkish govern that cultur flower past year armenian foundat provid billion asala milliyet armenian foundat base istanbul found provid billion turkish lira million armenian terrorist organ asala murder turkish diplomat abroad for unbias turkish media sourc milliyet rate number for accuraci and truth deadliest terrorist assassin carlo proclaim spanish televis that organ had enter into work relationship armenian terrorist and drug traffick rais monei continu slaughter innoc peopl innoc that terrorist call victim never heard terrorist call victim innoc folk new ira public relat depart report that had kill innoc victim car bomb nope serdar don for armenian genocid million muslim peopl and oop you almost forgot fill turk kill armenian section your note serdar argic yeah you serdar argic and bob hope you won million dollar for you armenian foundat istambul steal you subwai and give terrorist kill innoc kurd and innoc isra athlet ahhh you thi fantasi world
talk.politics.mideast	turkei perfect move read ton note serdar come conclus turkei perfect and turk made mistak prove that land occupi turkei todai live peacefulli turk includ istanbul aka constantinopl treat minor god and good evil neighbor attack despit evil neighbor capabl noth murder popul explod almost million turkei alon note armenian worldwid popul approxim million total want thi heaven earth and meet race that made serdar that persev and becom mecca for human right lover amnesti intern bad sourc turkei never tortur citizen treat minor badli kidnap foreign journalist last year alon incident miss want turk back realiti onc astound serdar abil ignor truth difficult question and encyclopedia quot and sourc that can past into note page believ step forward hasn wast time that can convinc volum mail you can produc not qualiti content will dream that perfect place that nirvana that utopia that xanadu that turkei
talk.politics.mideast	genuin admiss genuin homosexu articl thpbd usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mark ira kaufman write final admit total truth that central core your erect insinu into kosher rectum will mark you and nick thi shool yard crap tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin
talk.politics.mideast	coward cosar articl usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mark ira kaufman write for arab armi attack israel yom kippur suppos brave slaughter athlet olymp you dirti cosar pig that for long long time sourc ahmet cosar part terror attack macdonald munich fuckersvil report februari merd influenti anatolia daili base unidentifi sourc claim last week that ahmet cosar founder and leader faction big mac funni armi for liber fli spider web bmfalfsw argic led terrorist stage attack toilet macdonald fast food restaur munich merd ad that cosar oper tygra michigan escap countri bullshit biker enter citi thi time that statement issu bmfalfsw claim that cosar dead wound suffer mailbomb bdb becker gt org gener believ that mysteri leader aliv and and present resid altern fuckersvil bullshitia and zuma stupidia paper note that communist govern sexual maniac hasan mutlu and parti accept zumabot underground leader open arm and provid assist exchang for pornograph materi merd add that bmfalfsw deriv small portion expenditur wealthi drug lord support rest come sourc proce involv child porn traffick serdar argic close ars tight late hasan mutlu
talk.politics.mideast	heir martillo abraham religion articl cirru chrism cirru chri metcalf write articl fpal world std tti world std joachim martillo write fair tradit jewish and christian think quit similar islam think issu modern civil western strive for complet neutral abraham relit joachim carlo santo martillo ajami sieg heil heil ajami you prefer heil martillo heil santo heil carlo heil joachim thi suggest sound inform mein fuhrer manoj
talk.politics.mideast	land belong jew shoot muslim infant love argument write histor ownership place palestin pakistan cypru aegean island and oil that lie beneath for reason justif for stomp matter ancestor live year ago you treat land and each wise decre that person life liberti and pursuit happi place depend accid birth can even precis track sperm that birth peopl despis imho american indian belong earth not belong failur understand that good lossag guess that onc trash environ suffici die babi eat and kill mother dy for lack milk death and diseas not respect nation boundari not toxin diseas vector lost farmland wetland forest cover water suppli fight nation group own piec turf contend for vantag point kill land and eventu ourselv that proud proud make glad human not mindlessli reject nation fair whether recent immigr deserv share infrastructur that ancestor hah labor produc artifici distinct recent immigr even refuge like contribut gener legaci histori revers case recent immigr strive hardest noth fill open eco ogic nich tribe infinit your tribe can understand you noth plot knock will make doesn happen even shoot muslim infant bash jewish wall schoolhous that prove moral superior golli right higher purpos life kill not you never such fun soc cultur turkish don you turk back lake baikal you and leav land greek stole fair and squar scythian soc cultur pakistan don you gui redistribut india god meant for you soc cultur jewish soc cultur arab stick togeth fight togeth die togeth brother and insepar talk polit mideast had od plan scythian irredentist finish present assign can semi decent death threat anymor yeh nativ american had had kill sedit spread
talk.politics.mideast	netanyahu stone ana omran sinc jew that find leader follow ana netanyahu pai you write thi
talk.politics.mideast	armenian karabakh deserv independ articl crono metaphor covdi shemesh metaphor ivan covdi wrote respons articl galaxi ucr edu raffi watnxt ucr edu raffi kojian armenian usa fact area armenian major suppos larg group peopl such area decid that govern not repres interest and vote for seper usa armenian you refer chosen come unit state lawfulli and peacefulli armenian invad unit state and forc american flee becom armenian will not succe similarli armenian karabakh forc azerbaijan becom azeri leav and will not succe demonstr karabakh irrespect geograph posit situat technic stalin prepar border azerbaijan long oppress and eventu invad azeri omon and soviet forc result northern thi armenian area depopul armenian armenian fight back sinc you feel ridicul for armenian glendal california engag independ movement for free and independ glendal similarli azerbaijani engag lose attempt claim sovereignti land and peopl karabakh live continu karabakh thousand year central asian invad step foot caucasu and enforc will and simpl beauti concept your analog broken you switch posit victim and invad analog direct parallel armenian karabakh and nativ american you can discuss tenet versu and polici settler nation david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia not learn lesson center for region studi anatolia and forgotten box punish inflict cambridg late turkish presid turgut ozal
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write articl apr venu tamu edu gmw venu tamu edu grinch write steve you suggest that fail govern ideal prove ground never felt that place quit contrari prove ground someplac that had governemnt that prevent outright act agress had strong spirit individu and initi someplac texa grinch and texa taxpay willingli elimin tax support for and tamu not support gut footbal program footbal can pai for impact ross perot fortun elimin state support program made monei made nodobi will bilk public specif wai care texa doesn like place for libertarian hold like place import state issu whether state incom tax legal popular vice for fund rais and vice won decis victori jsh grinch that safe dead expect david koresh becom hero popular folk ballad and atf gener equat santa anna
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ articl qqikr morrow stanford edu forsyth stanford edu write articl apr poni ingr garrett ingr grep friend write articl apr eec nwu edu ian epsilon eec nwu edu ian write couldn disagre you strongli sound good practic becom tyranni conflict idea constitut improv human condit peopl and organ pursu goal and human condit improv will coercion will conflict idea constitut improv human condit that human you that libertarian will improv human condit lift constraint and that peopl will chanc improv that environ put anoth libertarian that unconstrain environ chanc solv problem maxim creativ never guarante that good solut will found problem utopia not option utopia myth can lot todai that you pitch libertarian progress agenda you can style system admir lot libertarian stand for you gui worst salesmen and come polit you salesmen whether you want not peopl agre marketin and will that market and teach you flatter your invit afraid you wrong person complet agre your civil liberti agenda not support your econom agenda libertarian parti that you gui good shake tire idea past encourag you gui continu your crusad afraid can ride ian sutherland ian eec nwu edu noth inevit mistak time garrett johnson come tussman garrett ingr june noth inevit mistak time garrett johnson come tussman garrett ingr probabl watch you proport stupid your action unknown
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag clayton cramer cramer optilink wrote you and rest homosexu commun pass law impos your moral code requir hire rent associ homosexu will you face homosexu stop impos moral will your face thi ahh good for goos not necessarili good for gander you don want homosexu impos moral code such diabol idea equal right you you will impos your moral code detect doubl standard garison
talk.politics.misc	earth pollut furi mother natur man contribut environment pollut paltri compar natur except book trash planet atom energi commis chairman dixi lee rai note base data air pollut materi produc man sinc begin industri revolut not begin equal quantiti toxic materi aerosol and particul spew into air volcano krakatoa indonesia mount katmai alaska and hekla iceland ad mount helen washington state pump metric ton carbon dioxid alon chicon mexico million ton sulfur gase into stratospher and mount pinatubo philippin hurl upward million ton materi into stratospher lo nino environmentalist attribut drought global warm research nation center for atmospher research boulder colorado report that freakish weather due natur phenomenon interact nino and nina two massiv current tropic pacif nino huge strip warm water that period appear coast south america and disrupt world weather pattern and altern nina mass cold water that come ocean depth equat and drift for thousand mile chicago tribun peter gorner summar phenomenon cold water equat clash warmer normal water southeast hawaii result drought and devast flood that swamp bangladesh nina cooler water disrupt tropic weather pattern and distort path jet stream across north america jet stream shove rain produc weather system interior result drought termit terror sundri anim and insect contribut share environment degrad time for april note that netherland manur pig pose major ecolog threat defil water suppli excess nitrit and acidifi local soil sheep perman scar landscap spain and portug india bovin cow raven wraith constant quest for food drive ravag stand forrest februari issu scienc digest report that intern team research discov that termit gener twice carbon dioxid that fuel burn studi report scienc for novemb estim gross amount carbon dioxid produc termit twice net global input fossil fuel combust addit termit potenti import sourc atmospher methan account for larg fraction global emmis wood eat pest bacteria that enabl digest carbon effici that convert carbon dioxid methan and gase belch into atmospher ant anoth natur sourc pollut atmospher chemist bell laboratori and zoologist cornel univers report that ant subfamili formicina make and store huge quantiti formic acid that contribut acid rain that fall remot area and found atmospher ga and precepit globe abund for instanc fog and mist that hang rain forest central africa juli insight magazin ant releas acid defend and commun each and dy sinc percent world ant popul belong thi subfamili signific concern acid ant releas amount estim metric ton annual equal combin formic acid contribut automobil refus combust and veget man long match natur despoil environ robert lee techi cellar org william bacon cellar bb
talk.politics.misc	scientist not green hous effect statement releas februari scienc environment polici project independ scientist research atmospher and climat problem concern agenda for unc unit nation confer environ and develop develop environment and activist group and polit leader thi call earth summit schedul conven brazil june and aim impos system global envionment regul includ oner tax energi fuel popul unit state and industri nation such polici initi deriv highli uncetain scientif theori base unsupport assumpt that catastroph global warm follow burn fossil fuel and requir action not agre survei atmospher scientist conduct summer confirm that consesensu slight warm observ past centuri recent publish research paper even suggest sunspot variabl directli proport solar activ rise greenhous gase respons for global temperatur increas and decreas recod sinc futhermor major scientif particip survei agre that theoret climat climat model us predict futur warm cannot reli and not valid exist climat record predict base such theoret model final agriculturalit gener agre that increas carbon dioxid level fossil fuel burn benefici effect crop and world food suppli disturb that activist anxiou stop energi and econom growth push ahead drastic polici take notic recent underli scienc fear that rush impos global regul will catastroph impact world economi job standard live and health care sever consequ fall develop countri and poor david aubrei phd senior scintist wood hole oceanograph institut nathaniel guttman phd research physic scientist nation climat data center hugh ellsaess phd meteorologist lawer livermor nation laboratori richard lindzen phd center for meteorolog and physic meteorolgi massachusett institut technolog robert ball phd director laboratori climatolog arizona state univers patrick micheal phd assoc professor environment scienc universityi virginia roger pielk phd professor atmospher scienc colorado state univers micheal garstang phd professor meteorolog univers virginia sherwood idso phd research physicist water conserv laboratori lev gandin phd visit scientist nation center for atmospher research john mcginlei chief forecast research group forecast system laboratori noaa jean thiebaux phd research scientist nation meterolog center nation weather servic noaa kenneth beard phd professor atmospher physic univers illinoi paul mielk phd professor depart statist colorado state univers thoma lockhart meteorolog standard institut peter gid meterologist weather servic director hazen bedk meteoroligist region director nation weather servic gabriel csanadi phd emin professor dominion univers roi leep execut weather director gillet weather data servic terranc clark meteorologist air forc neil frank phd meteorologist nation weather servic bruce boe phd director north dakota atmospher resourc board andrew detweil phd assoc professor institut atmospher scienc south dakota school mine and technolog robert cunningham consult meteorologist fellow american meteorolog societi stephen hanna phd sigma research corpor elliot abram meteoroligist senior vice presid accuweath inc william reifsnyd phd consult meteorologist professor emeritu forest meteorolog yale univers david reylnold research meteorologist jerri william meteorologist presid ocean rout inc lee eddington meteorologist geophys divis pacif missil test center werner braum phd dean colleg art scienc florida state univers david rodger phd assoc professor research oceanographi scripp institut oceanograghi brian fiedler phd asst professor meteorolog univers oaklahoma edward brand meterologist melvyn shapiro chief meteorolog research wave propag laboratori noaa joesph zabranski associ professor meteorolog plymouth state colleg jame moor project manag research applic program nation center for atmospher research daniel mcnaughton ensr consult and engin brian sussman meteorologist fellow american meteorologist fellow american meteorolog societi read mcgrath phd meteorologist robert zabrecki meteorologist william porch phd atmospher physicist lo alamo nation laboratori earl william phd associ profesor meteorolog dept earth atmospher and planetari scienc massachusett institut technolog fred singer phd atmospher physsicist univers virginia director scienc environment polici project affilit list for identif purpos techi cellar org william bacon cellar bb
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write homosexu lie number hide disproportion involv homosexu child molest lie politician scare back your statment proof shut will interest reaction million queer gather washington million thi event unprecid histori peopl will march aren homosexu member leftist agenda back your statement shut articl contain number number sexual partner median number sexual partner for men don forget that had partner not surpris rememb that studi includ homosexu hmm you mickei mous school logic you state that not homosexu kinsei report survei and survei kinsei institut sinc you that reason young peopl promiscu homosexu form larg part that group homosexu live consist sex gap for eat your logic suggest that averag gai men partner each week your argument carefulli not laugh and compar tabl post master johnson and kolodni show male homosexu partner appar that homosexu men dramat promiscu gener male popul and thi studi show for number sexual contact for homosexu that number inconvi for you wasn publish argument cannot resolv thi data point shame that don breakdown for straight men gai men that show even dramat promiscu gai men fuck typic homoseux respons thi depend premis that type behaviour gai and hetero thi prove earlier post kinsei institut grade thi rough logic you us thi show defin fact and not assumpt back your statement shut clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not adda wainwright dim atal llanw eczcaw mip nott mae sig werth
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write you you and rest homosexu commun pass law impos your moral code requir hire rent associ homosexu will you face homosexu stop impos moral will your face thi your post base premis that law stand not discrimin your argument fall immedi you that dumb us emot languag prove argument feel free answer that you intellig matter clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not adda wainwright dim atal llanw eczcaw mip nott mae sig werth
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write you that gai men promiscu straight men show damag and screw gai men excus moment laugh head defi you prove your statement damag and screw you can dear your argument onc logic not fall flat face civil behaviour and logic come back and defend your argument clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not adda wainwright dim atal llanw eczcaw mip nott mae sig werth
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talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write you don care effort put into promot lie import scare politician into obedi perhap you chang your name clayton logic not cramer give evid statement shut that answer that your rave clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not adda wainwright dim atal llanw eczcaw mip nott mae sig werth
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl navn murdoch acc virginia edu gsh fermi cla virginia edu greg hennessi write articl philc netcom phil netcom phil ronzon write tell you fascist polit practic end discrimin fascism greg hennessi univers virginia you forc peopl associ will good grief that for onc you argument discuss intellig guess that you person dislik contact peopl ethnic minor your argument fall flat face you state that you anti discrimin bill forc associ homosexu assum your will you that you not associ closet you chang your argument read forc associ truthfulli homosexu peopl will you proof that you not homosexu and thi punch larg hole your argument your belief that homosexu come flavour sic and that camp minc type prove you cannot admit that you thought your respons thi time rave clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not adda wainwright dim atal llanw eczcaw mip nott mae sig werth
talk.politics.misc	not concentr child molest articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write reckon man wildli promiscu present huge varieti will partner question not that suppos lot screw you hei clayton love your argument complet clinch each and your point that suppos lot screw your hehe haven had fun sinc start blast christian alt atheism clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine xavier clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not adda wainwright dim atal llanw eczcaw mip nott mae sig werth
talk.politics.misc	california antidiscrimin sort case predict articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write walz monster past molest kid heheh dontcha love carefulli construct arguement clayton babe defin word molest you legal term proper dictionari term molest can rememb mean damag person mate mike lure into woman parlour that molest number friend straight lost virgin that molest told that enjoi experi damag stop push your object moral you push peopl won fall and gad you push back you sign for that logic clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not adda wainwright dim atal llanw eczcaw mip nott mae sig werth
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl apr usu edu slp usu edu write xref dscomsa alt activ talk polit misc path dscomsa dxcern mcsun uunet gatech howland reston an net agat dog lbl gov hellgat utah edu usu edu slp slp usu edu newsgroup alt activ talk polit misc subject polic state usa messag apr usu edu date apr mdt refer apr usu edu rusq new cso uiuc edu organ utah state univers line articl rusq new cso uiuc edu azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu freshman vof write critis easi solut peopl that fbi had for last month firstli back you put power freak david koresh that kind situat explod pun intend koresh want martyr and govern plai into hand govern hadn attent want noth happen secondli davidian expect govern thought that face apocalyps and that perish fire weren scare fbi not averag hood devout follow religion psyop didn work and govern frustrat murder batf left begin look koresh person thought gun bigger gun botch dai shouldn place conveni ignor murder batf agent branch davidian unprovok ambush govern that tinpot dictat set shop and declar privat state drift into anarchi law control ownership gun and batf had good reason beleiv that violat set obtain legal warrant and attempt serv met gunfir rang doorbel paranoid assert that batf fire unprovok assault assum that batf death had expect peaceful citizen accept search author court turn tank and broken door dai stupid attempt serv warant place ludicr underarm and unprotect polic net care suggest fire method bring murder polic offic justic perhap hear phill hallam baker
talk.politics.misc	bill target pension fund for liber articl fox apr graphic nyu edu fox graphic nyu edu david fox write time chase rumor that get print nation enquir point wait and assert bizarr origin post will corrobor perhap will recent post bizarr origin poster speak for thi stori time month ago clinton administr explor avenu revenu enhanc not will chosen funni cartoon sundai time bill clinton calendar dai april
talk.politics.misc	rnitedac and violenc person see front home strewn garbag that person remov trash and sweep sidewalk door neigh bor not person approach two neighbor and talk clean front home and good for live condit and that neighborhood noth wrong hold your neighbor account for action that basi for viabl safe commun regard neal
talk.politics.misc	clinton wiretap initi articl innot new aero org helfman aero org robert helfman write articl inet dec blh uibois idbsu edu broward horn write you thi newsgroup you find clinton propos wiretap initi for comput network and telephon system thi initi congress for past month guis fbi wiretap bill kind brainless clod post garbag kind explain thi clinton initi congress for past month clinton initi push hard aren liber suppos concern privaci right you want wiretap initi read instal bedroom disclaim opinion express mine not employ
talk.politics.misc	fact yap studi gai percentag articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write homosexu lie number hide disproportion involv homosexu child molest lie politician scare and lie not substanti not understand statment stop make such ridicul claim you work for get your inform nation inquir for peopl will march aren homosexu member leftist agenda ahh rabbit hat anoth desper step discount activ washington gai march articl contain number number sexual partner median number sexual partner for men don forget that had partner not surpris rememb that studi includ homosexu cramer and suppos entir popul you state that figur median
talk.politics.misc	backward studi gai percentag articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write purpos thi post show mindless obsess statist incred flaw system reason and repel hatemong agenda purpos accomplish panach clue life face not andrew simchik schnopia you you and rest homosexu commun pass law impos your moral code requir hire rent associ homosexu will you face homosexu stop impos moral will your face thi aren you impos your moral standard gai peopl you not want rent hire you put associ and not law that requir you associ gai peopl work wai peopl want equal opportun for thing that lie public domain will gigant step forward peopl peopl base abil and talent skin color ey color height weight sexual orient and us thi last mean gai straight not tangent pedophil rapist etc
talk.politics.misc	verbal garbag thi studi gai percentag articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl apr new brandei edu pip brandei edu blort eeeep hwaaah write wouldn expect heterosexu men gai men promiscu simpli due larger group potenti partner thought matt you that gai men promiscu straight men show damag and screw gai men thi get sad you can make thi ridicul statement base inform and press democrat articl that poorli written show number for your us not and want true and accur show trend everydai gai popul kind damag and screw peopl and not gai you shoot your posit and
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl rusq new cso uiuc edu azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu freshman vof write critis easi solut peopl that fbi had for last month never into thi situat histori thi group david koresh arrest twice local polic time accept arrest warrant and peacefulli fed decid arrest choos arrest person record peac obedi arrest throw concuss grenad build addit that li initi told that suspect molest children and wive not atf offens chang stori time and origin warrant seal and told rocket and ammunit had notic ammo explod fire claim that koresh hadn left compound month peopl town report week raid handl differ haven evid that bd wrong seal warrant and collect stori chang not suppos that bd arrest for histori accept arrest send offic door warrant wear bulletproof vest cover distanc sharpshoot good reason suspect that peopl will didn serv warrant refus warrant becom raid you plan raid you hear hour that leak and your come you chang your plan nope ahead includ send unprotect men break into place idiot don end that origin raid never happen shit that never happen full record raid releas public hell happen li never told mark craig carrol peopl get tire your li univ delawar dept ci peopl that time grad student labstaff hacker demand right answer carrol udel edu elect preced state mind fish
talk.politics.misc	stop forc studi gai percentag articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl navn murdoch acc virginia edu gsh fermi cla virginia edu greg hennessi write end discrimin fascism greg hennessi univers virginia you forc peopl associ will you forc everydai associ peopl that you not and isn even law that make you you becuas you want shop work public park basebal game etc process end discrimin base ration concept that men women peopl creat equal equal stand and chanc societi
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl dscomsa desi hallam zeu desi write conveni ignor murder batf agent branch davidian unprovok ambush govern that tinpot dictat set shop and declar privat state drift into anarchi law control ownership gun and batf had good reason beleiv that violat set obtain legal warrant and attempt serv met gunfir rang doorbel paranoid assert that batf fire unprovok assault assum that batf death had expect peaceful citizen accept search author court turn tank and broken door dai stupid attempt serv warant place ludicr underarm and unprotect polic wait second you ignor major fact attempt simpli serv warrant batf had knock warrant initi firefight began batf threw concuss grenad build batf admit thi net care suggest fire method bring murder polic offic justic perhap hear realist you member paranoid religi organ come your build dress black suit carri firearm throw concuss grenad place and break exactli you not enter home identifi attack home fire weapon throw explos justifi defend bd and whether not guilti firearm violat thi not you treat peopl supposedli free societi mark craig carrol peopl get tire your li univ delawar dept ci peopl that time grad student labstaff hacker demand right answer carrol udel edu elect preced state mind fish
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag clayton cramer wrote lawrenc foard write median number sexual partner for men don forget that had partner not surpris rememb that studi includ homosexu impli tacitli that homosexu men promiscu heterosexu men interest wake new report last week group high school senior heterosexu add boast monthli conquest girl each that promiscu not limit homosexu thi sad fact life matter you for whether homosexu promiscu racial discrimin sexual harass you will find whether not exist you garison
talk.politics.misc	median studi gai percentag stephen orchid ucsc edu wrote median distribut that variat divid distribut halfwai distribut popul lower and half higher variat valu for male median thi mean that half men higher thi and half lower thi popul sampl size and gai male gai distribut equal greater sexual partner thi mean that heterosexu men greater not quit median not impli that half men and half below simpli mean that mid point maximum number partner and minimum like assum your implic correct your final result invalid male had partner and you deduct assum homosexu male remain not heterosexu male hei human garison
talk.politics.misc	kyle rodnei king articl apr midwai uchicago edu thf midwai uchicago edu write articl peai new cso uiuc edu kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu koppenhoef kyle cramm write thf kimbark uchicago edu ted frank write articl fdk new cso uiuc edu kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu koppenhoef kyle cramm write fact that you bunch cop put live line dai and dai afraid hell larg black gui tha larg amount punish and refus submit curiou you that adject import black descript adject that describ king newspap radio and new report thi adject commonli front name never complain us thi adject us benign manner not that king good black not king and not make thi ascertian evid thi effect us pure descript adject manner new peopl us past question whether king black question aris whether king race make polic offic afraid hell your statement impli that cop standard for larg black gui for larg gui gener origin poster never afraid king black fact offic afraid king not color skin you frank that read phrase larg black man and cri racism typic knee jerk fashion you and suspect can past thi problem real problem thi issu can discuss that two post you don understand point your us adject almost inform your origin us ted frank thf kimbark uchicago edu card moop law school standard disclaim jsl
talk.politics.misc	kyle rodnei king articl apr nntpserver chevron jviv usmi midland chevron john viveiro write articl peai new cso uiuc edu kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu koppenhoef kyle cramm write entir second trial race ted don feel compel discuss king racial background had king white not second trial you that beat not occur white that extrem difficult call make case not defin easili point that juri decid that thi extrem difficult call made two defend found guilti make interest observ system justic men not guilti excess forc guilti violat civil right us exist excess forc interest note that powel and koon found guilti aid and abet depriv king civil right two beat king and watch not figur can you sacrafici lamb can you appeal john viveiro jviv chevron chevron usa standard disclaim appli midland jsl
talk.politics.misc	studi studi american sexual repress articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl apr okstat edu kennej okstat edu kennedi jame scot write can deduc figur lot male homosexu us men perhap women not honest us sexual peopl that poll you mean men and women open homosexu todai want that that not true todai not for gai popul gener you mean ignor studi studi that can continu accept studi kinsei that wrong studi you cite and research show that not that not confus survei studi big differ ask peopl poll booth and ad number not studi easili gai suppos big debat homosexu whether not type behavior that learn born that imho like explan that combin two base your warm fuzzi feel thi you base your conclus warm fuzzi feel state educ opinion base studi that involv genet and psycholog influenc lot type studi aren read ponder you gai basher consid that homosexu deem sexual orient state affair that intrins and natur part life heterosexu sexual word alcohol share that feel hit bottom thi crap statement and comparison peopl us thi sad and stupid argument not relationship alcohol and peopl sexual orient that find drunk repress inhibit releas problem that homosexu form mental disord caus childhood sexual abus number recent work suggest nonsens thi simpli not true suppos wast time and you understand studi present you cite not extrapol you homosexu stop govern impos moral antidiscrimin law and leav children peopl gener stop irrat posit oppress and leav privat live ourselv support for law and rule protect peopl form thi post such that lack ration thought and intellig outlook alon wouldn care privat liber notion that proper role govern peac peopl live choic continu point that homosexu not altern lifestyl sick rememb that peac peopl not necessarili thing peac toler enlighten educ ration think peopl that
talk.politics.misc	hunt marin gai bash wilmington verdict articl apr bsu uc cmmiller leo bsuvc bsu edu write fact that you bunch cop put live line dai and dai afraid hell larg black gui that larg amount punish and refus submit yeah you watc start video king prone postion and charg cop video cut you sit and watch start finish didn charg cop peopl beat guess each want candac miller guess your view video your sofa you view cop involv guess can jsl
talk.politics.misc	stop sexularhumanistoppress belov damn ferign marc steinkoenig fidonet org marc steinkoenig write quot drieux drieux date point allud you that long usa remain state rebellion god divin appoint vicar coloni can you expect paganidol alien god wonder plan obgeopoliticalcontext pleas that restor bourbon bourbon tree you climb church opress farc destroi cultur not knock religi moral that american religion point convert sect question power and not salvat monotheist religion breed intolera into flock islam judaism and christian religion not opiat mass fanatic and brother look you pretti hop your rightous never heard arguement absurd call sarcasm usual procedur accept part opposit arguement and run ration thought and ring idea minimum wage consid good and time econom difficulti washington legislatur proposs rais state minwag feder level fifteen cent oregon that thi increas not pace inflat that minimum wage figur propos that rais minimum wage per hour juli and give cost live increas juli and doesn countri club republican get rich exploit poor peopl chu pyotr pyotr halcyon sometim pyotr filipivich sometim owl optimist bagpip beeper
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write don forget that had partner not surpris rememb that studi includ homosexu err earth clayton you post thi show that homosexu assum homosexu promisci that lead conclud that percent heterosexu promisci and that assumt bad clayton supris claim you make greg hennessi univers virginia usp mail astronomi depart charlottesvil usa internet gsh virginia edu uunet virginia gsh
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag end discrimin fascism clayton cramer write you forc peopl associ will earth clayton topic discuss militari volunt forc realiz you can stop your knee jerk us half clue greg hennessi univers virginia usp mail astronomi depart charlottesvil usa internet gsh virginia edu uunet virginia gsh
talk.politics.misc	not concentr child molest articl optilink walsh optilink mark walsh write thought that insur compani hire actuari staff determin risk correl group peopl and that gai like aid sexual orient correl causal risk factor monogom unprotect sex not homosexu greg hennessi univers virginia usp mail astronomi depart charlottesvil usa internet gsh virginia edu uunet virginia gsh
talk.politics.misc	continu decai blather role militari forc enforc civil law delet main problem militari involv polic work differ mission polic name and find happen stop suspect that mean arrest and turn custodi judici branch for adjud case militari mission kill enemi can escap surrend chu pyotr pyotr halcyon sometim pyotr filipivich sometim owl optimist bagpip beeper
talk.politics.misc	waco burnout articl qyug luf noos ecn purdu edu garrod dynamo ecn purdu edu david garrod write articl apr hemlock crai rja mahogani crai russ anderson write branch davidian buis thi morn polic fbi batf start ram hole wall build and shoot tear ga shortli fire began that engulf build compound brach davidian member come author that branch davidian member start fire will wit disput that claim adult children compound funni fire start hand side build tank back coincid watch videotap carefulli cnn coverag fairli decis fire start tower thi storei high and flag pictur second fire start anoth tower similar two storei high flag left camera pictur that show thi fire start camera pictur clerali show fire start two separ locat fbi report not verifi videotap identifi fire shown start small tower second flag left camera angl flame come build yellow orang thi normal colour for carbon compound burn flame solid confin liquid burn not ga explod explos that occur mid build not explos cloud fire thi like sort fuel oil store explod explos magazin funni great cach explos ammunit etc compound not seri explos depend distribut you not identifi ammunit round video camera coverag mile and fbi releas pictur cmera armour vehicl exist clearer pictur expect explos hollywood style aka rambo movi rememb that real life car not burst into flame cliff you expect grenad sinc build design blast proof extent difficult distinguish grenad collaps build due fire and oop automat weapon burnt fire wit paranoia videotap show davidian start fire guess problem believ fed couldn didn manag tape tape you wouldn beleiv fbi show you pictur koresh set light place your mindset such that you simpli unabl accept true that suggest that group heavili arm weapon fanat wrong gun lobbi can accept that set light place that mean that koreh had murder children that mean that take account murder batf agent even credibl start koresh had dai come hand and face fair trial order murder place phill hallam baker
talk.politics.misc	waco survivor april articl segz mwr dscomsa desi hallam zeu desi write peopl not want gun control discount entir govern stori thi simpli rationalis not for simpli dismiss govern incompet that requir come solut come govern conspiraci theori govern decid set murder peopl set sort scare alow gun control legisl despic that thi sordid incid glom sort peopl desper revolut make ambul chase lawyer harmless pastim for last month benight soul call span issu mundan budget resolut that don feel revolut thi countri and real for real case studi revolut blockbust video and check underground film made weather underground even strife back revolut never come and waco suppos spark end time tape interest weatherperson danc issu defin moment comrad manag blow manufactur bomb greenwich villag townhous problem that caught arm struggl that forgot person safeti and weren care that societi fault societi that didn instil sens worth peopl neglect safeti current apologist for koresh pick import ration tip thi tape joe knapp jmk cbvox att
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write articl apr usu edu slp usu edu write xref dscomsa alt activ talk polit misc path dscomsa dxcern mcsun uunet gatech howland reston an net agat dog lbl gov hellgat utah edu usu edu slp slp usu edu newsgroup alt activ talk polit misc subject polic state usa messag apr usu edu date apr mdt refer apr usu edu rusq new cso uiuc edu organ utah state univers line articl rusq new cso uiuc edu azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu freshman vof write critis easi solut peopl that fbi had for last month firstli back you put power freak david koresh that kind situat explod pun intend koresh want martyr and govern plai into hand govern hadn attent want noth happen secondli davidian expect govern thought that face apocalyps and that perish fire weren scare fbi not averag hood devout follow religion psyop didn work and govern frustrat murder batf left begin look koresh person thought gun bigger gun botch dai shouldn place conveni ignor murder batf agent branch davidian unprovok ambush statement ignor realiti provok govern that tinpot dictat set shop and declar privat state drift into anarchi law control ownership gun and batf had good reason beleiv that violat set obtain legal warrant and attempt serv met gunfir rang doorbel damn phil you tape initi raid your doorbel happen includ lob percuss grenad and attempt storm compound window can honestli never doorbel that work that paranoid assert that batf fire unprovok assault assum that batf death had expect peaceful citizen accept search author court turn tank and broken door dai man batf serv warrant feel illeg automat weapon expect you state that peac citizen two agent front door knock and attempt serv warrant person answer door scenario that person let perform search and get hurt scenario two person answer door pull weapon aand kill offic you two dead batf agent batf exactli stand regard and began formul plan action arrest respons harm innoc peopl children compound stupid attempt serv warant place ludicr underarm and unprotect polic stupid attempt serv warrant swat style net care suggest fire method bring murder polic offic justic perhap hear law batf uphold law not circumv fit phill hallam baker paul busta busta vicki enet dec salem see observ and observ thing mind
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl rusq new cso uiuc edu azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu freshman vof write critis easi solut peopl that fbi had for last month for starter wait and negoti davidian weren anywher and suppli had limit larg perhap limit had simpli fire compound gov tank smash wall gov not guilti us inappropri level forc and us meantim continu pressur and negoti not look good new six month year hell don good larri smith smith ctron don speak for cabletron you liberti not freedom want freedom
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write conveni ignor murder batf agent branch davidian unprovok ambush that not demonstr had come trial real possibl that koresh acquitt ground defens survivor debacl sworn that batf shot govern that tinpot dictat set shop and declar privat state drift into anarchi law control ownership gun and batf had good reason beleiv that violat set obtain legal warrant and attempt serv met gunfir rang doorbel rang doorbel concuss grenad and bloodi warrant legal seal fight start and koresh had declar privat state and dare gov surrend last year local sheriff serv warrant for arrest oppos batf search warrant not includ arrest violat found call and collect squad car that doesn sound dictat sound court battl thing differ batf had rung doorbel paranoid assert that batf fire unprovok assault assum that batf death had expect peaceful citizen accept search author court turn tank and broken door dai thi stupid that paranoid assert testamoni surviv wit and batf tank awar batf fbi yesterdai us maximum forc that dai that offic kill stupid attempt serv warant place ludicr underarm and unprotect polic underarm you flabberghast load for bear and pictur show wear bullet proof vest concuss grenad and full auto weapon miss low yield tac nuke thi transpar attempt retcon justif for ridicul amount forc us initi and yesterdai you asham net care suggest fire method bring murder polic offic justic perhap hear had fire method bottl and talk death surrend give justif for loonei tune religi stunt phil read your post for month and convinc that you will back matter damag right you will hurt peopl you don peopl that attitud that set precondit for holocaust process that place thi countri even tatter piti remain constitut slow progress thi isn libertarian issu argu that line strictli constitut view democrat gov fbi and batf wrong wrong wrong even reason for arrest koresh that lead death children noth touch your stonei heart wrong matter push button for god sake man your moral back larri smith smith ctron don speak for cabletron you liberti not freedom want freedom
talk.politics.misc	american sexual repress cramer optilink clayton cramer write problem that homosexu form mental disord caus childhood sexual abus number recent work suggest number that present number authorit work suggest that homosexu form mental disord caus childhood sexual abus don present your bias conclus base collag tidbit you extract hour research conclus peopl studi mental diseas and sexual abus profession jami mccarthi internet kzoo edu applelink mccarthi
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl codewk nacjack gen system codewk nacjack gen wayn mcdougal write brian gab unt edu brian drakula stone write gai doesn mean moral heterosexu doesn mean world statist alon prove that crimin default hetero hmmm statist can you offer refer studi higher proport homosexu prison gener popul don that for default you refer prison not normal situat haven that suggest that default proport lower gener popul plausibl can you provid refer thi arguement for simpli statement agreeanc disagre fact that homosexu prison not mean that homosexu immor and liabl commit crime and rememb that prison not necessarili reflect type peopl crimin statist for unsolv crime thi post definit bljeghb chugh vaj blhegh wayn mcdougal keeper list show star trek auckland festiv mission april chang mind evid method you us adda wainwright dim atal llanw eczcaw mip nott mae sig werth
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr articl newcastl chri holt newcastl chri holt write ensur that process decid whether introduc parti isn random steve exampl parti ignor corrupt two primari parti thi knowledg not help decis involv parti primari parti make corrupt and ignor parti isn corrupt and ignor stai thi point that corrupt and ignor won won you won care imposs abil formul rule that will whether involv parti good bad that heard suggest voluntari good mandatori bad that parti involv transact request primari particip don formul rule that will us knowledg properti situat appear that appli voluntari good mandatori bad not optim circumst damag interest question character circumst can power decid whether parti will regul your transact not that you parti you can argu you blue face that regul shouldn involv fact peopl thi won listen fundament question you decis whether not involv regul our you answer thed question you can move such question regul involv and regul your answer question second and your hand grinch
talk.politics.misc	bush articl usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu write previou articl garrett ingr sky fell articl inet dec blh uibois idbsu edu broward horn write strongli urg you move save you oversea into protect bank account you you post offic fridai passport app save convert bye noth inevit mistak time garrett johnson come tussman garrett ingr probabl watch you proport stupid your action unknown
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag cramer optilink clayton cramer write median number sexual partner for men don forget that had partner not surpris rememb that studi includ homosexu make number clayton jami mccarthi internet kzoo edu applelink mccarthi
talk.politics.misc	temper tantrum philc lqad netcom phil netcom phil ronzon write will you for religion that marxism lenin dead dead aliv and net mob rule isn prettier mob call govern ain chariti you monei wilson theori rel you back relat mark wilson atlantaga ncr
talk.politics.misc	temper tantrum and articl apr midwai uchicago edu dave seaview bsd uchicago edu write articl apr oracl oracl mfriedma oracl michael friedman write articl apr poni ingr garrett ingr write articl philc lru lxa netcom phil netcom phil ronzon write articl apr poni ingr garrett ingr write you dumb shit amaz that your limit vocabulari learn us comput didn requir you english school you you crude natur forc agre garrett for vulgar even hostil mean not garrett ask born dumber bag hammer can occasion annoi nobl tragedi knowleg geographi pre madonna histori think that polit view worth read hydroencephal master nuclear physic note that popul prc isn gonna fit into cambodia you pure pound that idioci plenti idioci post find your and stop hog mine thi kind rant annoi entertain kind post don requir fact logic even sens kind year kid playground and plai not net simpl mind you gui dave griffith inform resourc univers chicago biolog scienc divis dave delphi bsd uchicago edu brain damag chromosom damag gravi noth inevit mistak time garrett johnson come tussman garrett ingr probabl watch you proport stupid your action unknown
talk.politics.misc	suffer children polic state usa azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu freshman vof write critis easi solut peopl that fbi had for last month lightli track relev cry children hardwir futur race and comapssion peopl concern for children for branch davidian option die submit evil and children soul lost due brain wash ungodli state put thi term averag netter grasp consid equival put jess helm charg nea and mtv and rememb that suprem court struck freedom conscienc ir bob jone your religion belief system govern approv jim jone had won numer award state move guiana state regul stop that tragedi chu pyotr mormon weren saint long left alon thoughtcrim properst pyotr halcyon sometim pyotr filipivich sometim owl optimist bagpip beeper
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write govern that tinpot dictat set shop and declar privat state drift into anarchi law control ownership gun and batf had good reason beleiv that violat set obtain legal warrant and attempt serv met gunfir rang doorbel wouldn stage raid place paranoid assert that batf fire unprovok assault assum that batf death had expect peaceful citizen accept search author court turn tank and broken door dai stupid attempt serv warant place ludicr underarm and unprotect polic net care suggest fire method bring murder polic offic justic perhap hear napalm bit redund stupid batf mindset washington execut plan storm compound knock local gullibl rube care that serv warrent knock door such fashion date method law enforc gotta latest armament technolog doncha sweet babi buddah didn clown read deal paranoid chu pyotr phill hallam baker pyotr halcyon sometim pyotr filipivich sometim owl optimist bagpip beeper
talk.politics.misc	doesn will learn articl cellar org techi cellar org william bacon write refus learn histori present point canada vaunt social medic care program contend that fail even cost catch angri taxpay note american don canada and for medic care canadian and come unit state duplic doesn work countri world medic care not mess hillari clinton plan for social medicin john mcmanu nation presid john birch societi mcmanu world medic care can refer system that cost percent gdp isn singl countri industri world that spend percent that leav million coverag even system industri world cover virtual american rank bottom list term life expect childhood immun rate infant mortal and prevent diseas pai averag each for mri put that perspect cost japan averag compani spend dollar year per employe health benefit hundr rang can that such system world thing usa health care system good shower insur patient champagn treatment care and outrag overcharg for and privat system insur and paperwork bloat and ineffici that suck billion dollar year monei sector societi individu govern and industri billion dollar american threw into bottomless pit health care cost last year consum union estim that billion thrown overpr useless and even downright harm test and procedur and bureaucrat regul insur system world privat insur usa privat competit stimul effici paperwork doctor had hire full time clerk deal competit hospit drive cost not competit hospit for doctor and patient encourag hospit traffic expens superflu equip spend million expens machin dubiou that spend percent dai idl isn idea world health care system competit specialist drive perform danger and expens procedur margin help think heart surgeri and women surgeri hysterectomi and cesarean section sound world health care system notic time bring real chang health care libbi start bash canada system hillari clinton not advoc anoth canadian system that made abundantli clear new for last coupl month john mcmanu that idea you canadian live small town usa border your child complic procedur citi hospit nearest canadian citi hour west and hour east and american citi hour south you american system world for conveni amaz that peopl can black and white health care reform million wai ould restructur system not choic total govern control and total privat control peopl scream social medicin time soemon chang current syst inform health care issu current system suck want provid privat that doesn chang fact that will never deal deficit don reform health care system pure privat health care govern intervent doesn work hillari clinton not think nation provid evern insur can you scream social medicin program don you even you talk clinton graph project deficit versu year for rest decad notic line fall start increas give you wild guess compon spend will overwhelm don peop doesn current health care system cancer kill econom cost rise percent year even american ten million forc into manag care program pretti social you coupl month ago post messag ask hillari basher come forward and present gimmick straight talk set keep cost didn singl answer thing hear libbi organ press releas fill evas platitud give health care back peopl you expect that reform current system that you chang and that can read new live system and not fault can deal deficit citi educ system infrastrucur aid modern industri etc don quit throw monei us solv problem america health care reform don sit and hillari bash inform jim reynold jame reynold that jim you and jpr lehigh edu
talk.politics.misc	waco survivor april articl segz mwr dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write order reject word fbi and batf neccessari beleiv word man murder children and order suicid murder follow account batf attempt serv warrant koresh ranch and met gunfir deliber attempt murder koresh gun support claim that batf start shoot simpli not stand aft had start shoot heavier grade weaponri standard issu handgun for practic purpos unarm follow had automat weapon peopl not want gun control discount entir govern stori thi simpli rationalis not for simpli dismiss govern incompet that requir come solut come govern conspiraci theori govern decid set murder peopl set sort scare alow gun control legisl object character oppos govern handl waco situat gun support your argument paint batf critic wing gun nut and mix two issu batf fbi critic and liber and anti gun you happen that civil right even religi crazi human be not nest wasp that you extermin batf creat crisi situat handl origin raid that koresh regularli jog properti serv search warrant arrest had refus compli offic arm grenad invad properti thi escal into shoot war tragic death side two mistak bad judgment ask for knock warrant and bad and illeg unwis warrant serv thi point situat escal describ arm standoff and hostag crisi that govern start cover trace seal warrant revis report histori incid etc thing build disast govern simpli close suppli rout and wait janet reno that option had never consid supposedli agent frustrat and fatigu and supposedli backup felt had that koresh respons for fire that deserv blame for death peopl compound govern hand clean raid demonstr bad judgment contempt for amend motiv for second raid unbeliev and coverup event raid undermin credibl thereaft bias fbi agent word for happen and not turn thi into pro gun anti gun discuss anti gun peopl not that gun owner deserv frontal assault arm govern agent and koresh civil right exist whether gun legal illeg illeg legal rob strom strom watson ibm ibm research mill river road box yorktown height
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl apr galileo rochest edu uhura rochest edu tree schnopia write purpos thi post show mindless obsess statist incred flaw system reason and repel hatemong agenda purpos accomplish panach clue life face not andrew simchik schnopia you you and rest homosexu commun pass law impos your moral code requir hire rent associ homosexu will you face homosexu stop impos moral will your face thi gosh associ heterosexu will dai that mean you impos your moral code doesn fortun time member het commun and discov that hei aren evil elitist concept realiti clue for you not work pass law moral your moral imagin you freedom you your freedom you necessarili accept that law import protect discrimin area and you open discrimin rest suggest learn bit gai lesbian and bi you post kind drivel you obviou that you haven clue you talk clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not not member sex can you live such hypocrisi drewcif andrew simchik schnopia uhura rochest edu treewat word weren made for coward happi rhode
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl navn murdoch acc virginia edu gsh fermi cla virginia edu greg hennessi write articl philc netcom phil netcom phil ronzon write tell you fascist polit practic end discrimin fascism greg hennessi univers virginia you forc peopl associ will associ you will thi fascism you don associ your will live cave won miss you drewcif andrew simchik schnopia uhura rochest edu treewat word weren made for coward happi rhode
talk.politics.misc	race and violenc articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu alaramor magnu ac ohio state edu aaron laramor write basic thi tendenc for african american that wrong exist african american don want deal possiblil that societi deepli bias african american and that thi problem terribl wrong cultur condemn attack and kill member attempt educ mother elementari school teacher and tell that and african american collegu frustrat tear fact that african american child attempt school and educ accus peer white and beaten bulli and torment each pass grade test earn beat mother school promis young student happen african american had throat cut young thug bui into such cultur hope poor and thug and dead color chang cultur that cultur can chang african american kid will separ separ and murder thug color futur bright young african american girl want doctor will end dead school bu face come util microsoft mike van pelt perform save and loan mvp netcom gui rememb put backup and restor not mvp lsil mention edlin your hard disk lincoln spector
talk.politics.misc	not concentr child molest articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl exnet sy exnet xavier gallagh write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write obviou point make straight men fuck rabbit oppertun present reckon man wildli promiscu present huge varieti will partner question not that suppos lot screw you cramer not thi instanc you tell porki haven you cafe restaur and absalut stuf full goodi and item textur and tast present you found space for you haven wide report phenomina and reckon appli sex clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine xavier clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine xavier
talk.politics.misc	top ten comment overheard secret servic loung articl qocun access digex net carlaron access digex carl aron write and word liber connot you written michael dukaki yeah republican defin mean spend monei thing that don make rich buddi richer you reason and intellig you post you can rant and rave save mean that liber tax and spend borrow and spend true conservat cut spend and tax matter debat succes last presid that final mean open mind thing that don want open mind hear and and notic liber you don agre you close mind talk suggest you your post noth unfair and unsubstanti gener suggest that author open mind time you feel post thi save for care carl william everett opinion mine harvi mudd colleg you can insan fear social throw bourgeoi headlong into arm despot tocquevil insan fear reagan throw liber headlong into arm social mcguin
talk.politics.misc	abolish select servic you selfish bastard afraid you sacrafic somth for your countri not approv lone for you bad immor peopl you and current presid don idea thi countri exist year don idea selfish ration agre bodi your post reconsid your phrase idea selfish and ration commend don give selfish bad rap selfless moral reason not draft draft ultim mindlessli serv your fellow man thought import opinion express not necessarili share employ view prime time sit com
talk.politics.misc	american sexual repress articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer wrote problem that homosexu form mental disord caus childhood sexual abus number recent work suggest cramer you stop indulg such blatant li thi not not true you damn that not true your research support thi mental health expert thi posit thi your opinion not back research knowledg survei san francisco number heterosexu men molest children order number homosexu men molest children order sourc book sexual abus children david finkelhor titl escap conclus that can drawn thi homosexu stop govern impos moral antidiscrimin law and leav children alon wouldn care privat liber notion that proper role govern peac peopl live choic continu point that homosexu not altern lifestyl sick you choic you realiz that you approach two year anniversari your crusad you plan celebr two year li incident wait your crusad african american women and minor want impos moral want govern peac peopl live you choic continu point that woman african american not lifestyl sick bullshit cramer bullshit you began thi crusad and bullshit continu amaz depth you stoop carri thi deliber attack paul bartholomew pdb ipl jpl nasa gov
talk.politics.misc	waco survivor april articl apm apr hpopdlau pwd apm hpopdlau pwd andrew merritt write path dscomsa dxcern mcsun uknet pipex uunet sdd hpscit apm apm hpopdlau pwd andrew merritt articl apr vm ocom okstat edu chorlei vm ocom okstat edu write note insuffici emot that survivor waco debacl two brit and aussi anglo saxon persona doesn lend martyrdom for spuriou messiah don you draw that conclus insid build british quarter two latest count heard survivor british quarter british doesn equat anglo saxon exactli you and fire engin mile compound gun looni fire vehicl amunit that rang meter question problem law that bunch rave nutter collect huge stack arm place sequenc event meant that option attempt sort breakthrough intervent fbi had had stomach for mount commando type raid and attempt save children shoot adult win situat koresh had plenti opportun give and stand trial for murder atf offic order murder children order reject word fbi and batf neccessari beleiv word man murder children and order suicid murder follow account batf attempt serv warrant koresh ranch and met gunfir deliber attempt murder koresh gun support claim that batf start shoot simpli not stand aft had start shoot heavier grade weaponri standard issu handgun for practic purpos unarm follow had automat weapon seig not allow indefinit quit capabl commit mass suicid and murder children time commando assault like action that achiev that object that riski order magintud harder antebb iranian embassi seig airplan and embassi not design for defens attack ranch apocalyps terrorist easier dislog casualti allow sieg not option risk that koresh proclaim armageddon moment question difficulti keep emmerg team standbi prolong period longer sieg mental prepar koresh and follow for prolong sieg prematur mistak can you get children peopl not want gun control discount entir govern stori thi simpli rationalis not for simpli dismiss govern incompet that requir come solut come govern conspiraci theori govern decid set murder peopl set sort scare alow gun control legisl thi conspiraci theori assum that batf deliber agent kill and that fbi etc enjoi sit middl texa shot religi nutter conspiraci theori comfort pretend that waco prove noth incompet govern resolv hostag crisi govt world face compar situat quit manner peacefulli resolv blame not rest fbi rest fact that koresh allow person tip advanc murder atf agent and children conscienc larg number peopl predict end societi preach salvat arm secur fact that peopl pose threat societi place waco not religi nutter polit movement splinter group klu klux klan take schoolhous black area for exampl and hold hundr children hostag solut such situat that can work prevent aris govern world face such situat thi govern carelessli allow high power weaponri becom avali hitler messiah set dictat empir phill hallam baker
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa rusq new cso uiuc edu azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu freshman vof write critis easi solut peopl that fbi had for last month seig began surround place razor wire and sit not daili press confer your thing press thing and miser insid two thing happen peopl will start come will commit suicid mass point thing rememb that hyster situat and assult plai into hand leader pick thi easier stamped peopl into suicid ga come and bullet air hungri and miser for longer and longer and will effect possibl that kill point not bother alter tactic peopl live you can prevent give opportun excus fbi and attornei gener vampira concern sanit and welfar children insid not turn water compound pressur tactic place
talk.politics.misc	drug us and polici japan knowledg drug issu japan interest know japan had problem drug and dealt heard undocu that japan year ago us heavi legal penalti end heroin problem side stori recal such problem law time relat drug us drug deal and drug traffick law anti drug measur educ and treatment japan us drug regard japanes peopl effect anti drug measur japan for your david borden borden harvard edu
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write chump brandei mean peopl care peopl gai long you find avoid you want don you don care effort put into promot lie import scare politician into obedi wouldn worri start find polit impot homosexu colorado boycott fizzl slick willi effect prevent implement militari polici wrt homosexu member parti thi studi cast larg shadow doubt claim larg number and come thi saturdai wind tremend egg face submit perhap queer will show washington promis crowd million and will will act and queer nation not gui work cubicl that plai middl america pretti will find retreat back into closet belong view express theodor kaldi you kaldi remu rutger edu that major univers rutger remu rutger edu kaldi thi hold such view
talk.politics.misc	hunt marin gai bash wilmington verdict articl apr bsu uc cmmiller leo bsuvc bsu edu write fact that you bunch cop put live line dai and dai afraid hell larg black gui that larg amount punish and refus submit yeah you watc start video king prone postion and charg cop video cut you sit and watch start even rodnei king had come that car wave gun and manag disarm polic had beat senseless onc ground can handl job reliev addition anna quindlan york time paraphras peopl bring happen shown tape ronald reagan georg bush racism jim halat
talk.politics.misc	doesn will learn jpr lehigh edu jame reynold write peop doesn current health care system cancer kill econom cost rise percent year even american ten million forc into manag care program pretti social you coupl month ago post messag ask hillari basher come forward and present gimmick straight talk set keep cost didn singl answer thing disband medicar and medicad primari reason health care cost cover peopl that program sell coverag block insur compani privat compani bid larg block peopl and price strong feder control health care pass control state spew wonder hawaii give state incent plan not implement reach feder program program cover american thi surest fail can read new live system and not fault can deal deficit citi educ system infrastrucur aid modern industri etc don quit throw monei us solv problem stop throw monei stop give feder govern feder tax slash and state tax increas strong central govern fail give power back state counti citi belong america health care reform don sit and hillari bash inform inform want hillari bash
talk.politics.misc	myth nation health insur pxgt ubvmsb buffalo edu daniel case write gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write pxgt ubvmsb buffalo edu daniel case write gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write doctor willingli testifi each malpractic case court absolut essenti prove malpractic us imposs doctor that advantag system you won hear ama doctor monopoli exactli not power that can dictat insur payment rate don answer thi anecdot friend includ main bud high school talk hard turn state wit direct experi circumst you sue insur plan peopl sue health insur compani time heard gui alberta rare ey diseas that had repeat trip seattl treat cost and famili and provinc year reimburs for american privat insur plan cover travel expens sinc public insur plan publicli account can rais stink media and extort benefit entitl hei not alberta fault that live live cheyenn privat insur told hell for travel expens and that that hmo quiet and blind yeah nation defens medic centr ottawa serv purpos bethesda naval hospit sinc not hospit can provid stuff that don ottawa popul quarter million you includ surround counti point that that necessarili remain unpolitic becom politic detriment mission don that thi shown dmc problem system hospit annual budget approv govern you polit consider medic decis bet that you mpp good friend you put hospit urgent care list matter minor your problem you get bump list for bigshot peopl influenc will system american european golden rule gold make rule extent affect system and urgent care list place worth think regular practic hospit figur facil don american arrang advanc for oper that two standard appli and that canada can give beverli hill style treatment not big brother list call town for tabl for dinner yeah privat nonprofit foundat make monei hospit busi and tori ottawa make that hope for bigger grant fed and provinc time whether mop coupl week longer even sell servic american rememb system cash base and sinc health care infrastructur overbuilt specialti that requir larger popul gener busi not altern close unus ward busi whether canadian thrill prospect health servic cater american will pai anoth issu note that partli grant provinc get smaller grant insubstanti attract foreign make differ you answer question privat nonprofit foundat make monei and that time that act privat hospit that person fed canadian socialist that health care free bui insur that you bob rae gdp figur combin public and privat expenditur for total outlai and compil us method oecd that yield figur for don figur includ dentistri and optometri canadian recent didn sinc evalu oecd style don rememb oecd count privat and public fund and canada franc and germani health care spend privat fund not basic health insur monei happen health care system financi collaps collect premium and advoc copay french system you spend you you bankrupt that simpl provinci insur system find pai revenu won pai for primari care infrastructur will will continu rate minor copay can flush abus rememb that system insur polici cost aren rise fast ensur adequ copay deduct last year quebec user fee propos number hike that copay give qma rais and not contract time can upi clarinet even reform parti breakoff traditionalist conserv mildli libertarian faction hold public health insur untouch that peopl remind that not free averag canadian european fiscal naiv american counterpart issu mention copay anywher cut public spend place and bring back death penalti hast elect that for pete sake live border canadian system isn social medicin unlik britain nh that even run into peopl buffalo and michigan don point that mean that monei run low plan you luck you can afford yeah lot lead time and health care crisi that preclud provinci govern bad heck ndp clean spend mess made conserv saskatchewan embarass can irrespons realloc health insur import that thing that can inspir open rebellion and violent insurrect hockei rink attempt system and user learn good habit treat cod liver oil privat insur slack oblig eventu make monei you true loath and practic handl such basic servic compani provid extra insur subsidiari american compani and parent provid full insur firm north can easili turn cabl american firm involv basic coverag privat firm make monei rid basic coverag run pat selv back for cooper provid extra for peopl deserv yeah eventu creat kind two tier effect that will notic britain american fear singl tier system area that suffici popul for two tier system french health polici prof shea cite studi nejm that popul for adequ competit and canada citi west great lake that popul larger number show that cost held steadier and bar futur chernobyl crisi sudden transient spend fact health alloc behav sector spend north talk bankruptci talk radio fodder border provinc hit fiscal rough spot and cut back thing privat insur offer will and luxuri and gap will and notic thi won overnight and thi forc canada system french that not bad thing and chang will minim add copay and frustrat 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talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr steveh thor isc steve hendrick write that societi fail govern ideal set for libertarian ideal implement you suppos that never occur advanc freedom made past divin king concept question time and us argument that hadn come ancestor had courag throw system that that man rule decent wholesom societi concept slaveri question ancestor had courag question practic that had exist for thousand year idea that man own anoth decent wholesom societi libertarian question necess majoritarian that peopl rule decent wholesom societi paul schmidt advoc for govern davi crockett chapter presid judith drive johnson citi uunet tijc pj freedom unleash creativ energi peopl and lead higher level incom and social progress report
talk.politics.misc	bill target pension fund for liber articl qqke ncratl atlantaga ncr mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr mark wilson write master cna tek mikeq freddi cna tek mike quiglei write excerpt insight magazin march paranoia part delet isn insight magazin publish moonei don rememb articl that you remov can comment can comment your respons you that you wrote suffici refut articl fact addit your opinion time chase rumor that get print nation enquir point wait and assert bizarr origin post will corrobor perhap will recent post bizarr origin poster speak for david
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl rusq new cso uiuc edu azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu freshman vof write critis easi solut peopl that fbi had for last month bill clinton and janett reno not start shenanigan place disclaim opinion express mine not employ
talk.politics.misc	waco burnout visser convex lanc visser write apr teetot acusd edu jerri teetot acusd edu jerri stratton write happen that children idea that ram compound tank and pour tear ga suppos send mother flee children relianc put women mother instinct offici explan govt action republican administr gener complaint oppos complaint action spend program invest tax contribut and peopl dictionari dan quayl employ not respons for that
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl rusq new cso uiuc edu azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu freshman vof write critis easi solut peopl that fbi had for last month hell place knew that posit judg action can specul and develop nice conspiraci and polic state stori bob
talk.politics.misc	race and violenc not thi
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag elf halcyon elf sternberg bzzzzt you for plai you not read materi present report hand newsweek articl report that percent popul gai us criteria heterosexu contact past year time univers denver studi point quit dramat that identifi gai men had form heterosexu contact past year big mistak that studi that had had sexual contact kind previou year count heterosexu even didn intend that that figur us
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl apr udel edu carrol hercul ci udel edu mark carrol write wait second you ignor major fact attempt simpli serv warrant batf had knock warrant initi firefight began batf threw concuss grenad build batf admit thi batf thi batf offici version dissid statement batf offic conduct raid claim that davidian shoot agent long grenad rang warrant seal knock mitchel todd mst zeu tamu edu
talk.politics.misc	earth pollut peopl die natur hear thi bellyach thing murder and war mother natur kill peopl time fact peopl die natur due consciou action peopl murder and john berryhil
talk.politics.misc	american sexual repress jami mccarthi hobb kzoo edu wrote cramer optilink clayton cramer write problem that homosexu form mental disord caus childhood sexual abus number recent work suggest number that time heard mention such mechan respect femal homosexu result heterosexu childhood abus and thi factor affect person cramer appear concentr male homosexu doubt thi mind mark evan evansmp uhura aston home evansmp aston offic
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl dscomsa desi hallam zeu desi write conveni ignor murder batf agent branch davidian unprovok ambush govern that tinpot dictat set shop and declar privat state drift into anarchi law control ownership gun and batf had good reason beleiv that violat set obtain legal warrant and attempt serv met gunfir rang doorbel paranoid assert that batf fire unprovok assault assum that batf death had expect peaceful citizen accept search author court turn tank and broken door dai you approv batf launch person raid complet flack jacket men hidden hors trailer stun grenad semi auto weapon peac citizen accept search authori court proof that branch davidian had illeg weapon noth jurisdict batf thought smoke untax cigarett automat firearm violat tax matter you don serv knock warrant cal mg isn can flush machin gun toilet you and isn smart you you good chanc get blown you wrong you shouldn stupid attempt serv warant place ludicr underarm and unprotect polic stupid relat thi stupid attempt serv warrant ludicr arm protect and confid gestapo escal isn automat brilliant tax matter you can flush mg toilet you don knock warrant for imho noth justifi that anoth argument net care suggest fire method bring murder polic offic justic perhap hear wasn murder polic offic probabl arrest for murder perhap citizen innoc proven guilti wasn kill batf screw real bad phill hallam baker lew lew glenden rlglend netcom perspect worth point niel bohr that
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write articl apr usu edu slp usu edu write xref dscomsa alt activ talk polit misc path dscomsa dxcern mcsun uunet gatech howland reston an net agat dog lbl gov hellgat utah edu usu edu slp slp usu edu newsgroup alt activ talk polit misc subject polic state usa messag apr usu edu date apr mdt refer apr usu edu rusq new cso uiuc edu organ utah state univers line articl rusq new cso uiuc edu azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu freshman vof write critis easi solut peopl that fbi had for last month firstli back you put power freak david koresh that kind situat explod pun intend koresh want martyr and govern plai into hand govern hadn attent want noth happen secondli davidian expect govern thought that face apocalyps and that perish fire weren scare fbi not averag hood devout follow religion psyop didn work and govern frustrat murder batf left begin look koresh person thought gun bigger gun botch dai shouldn place conveni ignor murder batf agent branch davidian unprovok ambush govern that tinpot dictat set shop and declar privat state drift into anarchi law control ownership gun and batf had good reason beleiv that violat set obtain legal warrant and attempt serv met gunfir rang doorbel paranoid assert that batf fire unprovok assault assum that batf death had expect peaceful citizen accept search author court turn tank and broken door dai search knock warrent mean that scene bunch men gun storm compound and lob grenad term search warrent secret and batf even reveal stupid attempt serv warant place ludicr underarm and unprotect polic not serv warrent basic attack compound and expect surrend had semiautomat and concuss grenad that death and injuri toll inflict side battl and difficult that side had superior weapon net care suggest fire method bring murder polic offic justic perhap hear
talk.politics.misc	question for janet reno question for janet reno don you gener place law enforc atf fbi had proof that koresh child molest child abus wife abus bigamist sexual deviant not crime state illeg modifi weapon wasn simpli arrest morn jog alleg child wife sex crime come branch davidian repel initi assualt demon david koresh you feel respons for death peopl aliv dai koresh had arrest compound inquir mind want janet instal sieg began purg justic dept leav peopl charg brett noth passion vest interest disguis intellectu convict sean casei white plagu frank herbert
talk.politics.misc	clinton articl kielo uta csfraw vehka uta franci akoto write clinton background anglo saxon irish italian hispan etc liar cheat and demagogu brett noth passion vest interest disguis intellectu convict sean casei white plagu frank herbert
talk.politics.misc	cu health big secret articl poli math cor harelb math cornel edu write matter logic that govern run system ineffici and fact that highli bureaucrat privat sector system vastli ineffici irrelev proof that entir privat sector vastli ineffici for exampl relev that blue cross massachusett emploi peopl emploi canada health program insur time peopl blue cross govern health insur provid oop ad for magazin delet save earth brett noth passion vest interest disguis intellectu convict sean casei white plagu frank herbert
talk.politics.misc	not concentr child molest articl optilink walsh optilink mark walsh write articl exnet sy exnet xavier gallagh write obviou point make straight men fuck rabbit oppertun present reckon man wildli promiscu present huge varieti will partner true and gai straight for sexual prefer imagin that gai sex straight pool for date tenth for straight correct flame you miss point lot negoti need convinc women sex big taboo women free sex women almost slag slut whore men statu attach fuck constantli and gai men partner can prove statu constant veril you situat lot sex differ het sex ration valuabl commod and gai sex virtual unlimit due appetit men straight suffer bottl neck women concern gai men not experi thi bottl neck excess mark walsh walsh optilink uunet optilink walsh xavier
talk.politics.misc	janet reno kill waco children janet reno kill waco children respons for death resign immedi understood that david koresh madman children provok warn sign and provok koresh into kill children situat waco similar hostag situat madman hold gun head innoc person such situat person provok madman and pull gun trigger respons for death hostag janet reno blindli stumbl and basic threw tear ga contain madman hope that releas hostag surpris that madman pull trigger respons that kind provoc doug holtsing
talk.politics.misc	clinton presidenti statement waco white hous offic press secretari for releas april statement presid clinton deepli sadden loss life waco todai thought and prayer famili david koresh victim law enforc agenc involv waco sieg recommend action pursu todai attornei gener inform analysi and judgment and recommend that proce todai action risk maintain previou polici indefinit told attornei gener thought and stand that decis
talk.politics.misc	hunt marin gai bash wilmington verdict wdstarr athena mit edu william decemb starr write articl apr lynx dac northeastern edu tfarrel lynx dac northeastern edu thoma farrel good case king good case defens lawyer ask victim question kind sexual pervers you particip and you made good case speak six week and tuition bill unemploi slob law degre transcript thi trial happen immedi defens attornei ask that question assum that report that accur not accus tom farrel make thi sort case that spawn garbl misquot fals rumor and urban legend tribbl nice that prosecutor object irrelev prejudici inflammatori your pick and that judg upheld object watch televis trial can answer that such statement made defens atti prosecutor object and judg tend sustain that fall incrimin type object quit bit meta discuss trial us graphic languag folk ask judg want hear exact languag practic time defens plaintiff incrimin ask such question object and sustain point defens manag quip solicit for feloni and judg sustain prosecutor object state wolf woodburi wolv den durham thi site not affili wolf wolv durham duke univers idiot duke wolv wolf standard disclaim appli celebr celebr circl statement purpos
talk.politics.misc	janet reno kill waco children articl apr ncsu edu dsh eceyv ncsu edu doug holtsing write janet reno kill waco children respons for death resign immedi understood that david koresh madman children provok warn sign and provok koresh into kill children fact that disagre you offer resign and presid reject offer will respons and presid ball stand decis
talk.politics.misc	median studi gai percentag articl qvb ainnmoi darkstar ucsc edu stephen orchid ucsc edu write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write santa rosa cal press democrat april male sex survei gai activ low note thi contradictori titl gai activ low not percentag gai low headlin writer aren note for accuraci naton studi male sexual behavior thorough examin american men sexual practic publish sinc kinsei report decad ago show percent men survei had engag homosexu sex and percent consid exclus homosexu articl contain number number sexual partner median number sexual partner for men shame that don breakdown for straight men gai men that show even dramat promiscu gai men quick you median distribut that variat divid distribut halfwai distribut popul lower and half higher variat valu for male median thi mean that half men higher thi and half lower thi popul sampl size and gai male gai exclus homosexu bisexu you aren readi carefulli distribut equal greater sexual partner thi mean that heterosexu men greater interest result clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	can wai new enemi new support articl qvampinnmhf darkstar ucsc edu stephen orchid ucsc edu write cramer you hand condemn new media role nation new media inflam passion that your messag subject you turn and santa rosa cal press democrat april male sex survei gai activ low titl you even us such titl for san jose mercuri new murki new you comdemn nation media turn and us support posit you present somewhat contradictori doesn you can show that press democrat misrepres guttmach institut studi clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	ag consent child molest articl edu kane buast edu hot young star write clayton cramer you read thi carefulli articl cpp panix roi panix roi radow write not assum that nambla agre specif agenda each and particip group assum that each and group support specif goal and ideal yeah you shouldn assum that aryan nation support genocid and you fool clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	can wai new enemi new support articl qvampinnmhf darkstar ucsc edu stephen orchid ucsc edu cramer you hand condemn new media role nation new media inflam passion that your messag subject you turn and santa rosa cal press democrat april male sex survei gai activ low titl you even us such titl for san jose mercuri new murki new you comdemn nation media turn and us support posit you present somewhat contradictori doesn that thi not contradictori basi that qualiti media report vari greatli base subject hand media proven accur area present raw undisput data good exampl weather page high and low temperatur previou dai for larg number locat post evid show that error american media fail analysi complex event that can come new stori that left angri fact ommit case that come mind invas panama war iraq disast waco issu surround accept gai into militari war drug and stori that you bring light sex survei that due lazy data ommit articl ventur guess that data that present not deviat survei that folli blind faith singl newswrit analysi thi data thi case analysi and reader left draw convict netter cramer includ forget that american media number busi purpos life make monei for owner and stockhold revenu come larg advertis want maximum exposur per dollar media fast food qualiti food report will improv custom demand such busi usual mark walsh walsh optilink uunet optilink walsh amateur radio aol bigcooki aol uscf worri william gain gonna crush you andr giant
talk.politics.misc	clinton press releas clipper chip encrypt initi articl qvnmkinnoc life mit edu clinton campaign org white hous write statement press secretari initi will involv creation product acceler develop and us advanc and secur telecommun network and wireless commun link state art microcircuit call clipper chip develop govern engin chip repres approach encrypt technolog can us rel inexpens encrypt devic that can attach ordinari telephon scrambl telephon commun encrypt algorithm that power commerci us todai thi technolog will compani protect proprietari inform protect privaci person phone convers and prevent unauthor releas data transmit electron time thi technolog preserv abil feder state and local law enforc agenc intercept lawfulli phone convers crimin allow law enforc agenc intercept phone convers crimin and crimin unlawfulli rev king aren spy you long will for wrong peopl put hand equip read thi stuff safe weapon lock safe evid room kei number that will need author govern agenc decod messag encod devic devic manufactur two kei will deposit separ two kei escrow data base that will establish attornei gener access kei will limit govern offici legal author conduct wiretap and peopl sell take corrupt gui that never happen david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag richard chandler mauser terminu apexgrp wrote elf halcyon elf sternberg bzzzzt you for plai you not read materi present report hand newsweek articl report that percent popul gai us criteria heterosexu contact past year time univers denver studi point quit dramat that identifi gai men had form heterosexu contact past year big mistak that studi that had had sexual contact kind previou year count heterosexu even didn intend that that figur us post date such questonnar us and distribut and return mark evan evansmp uhura aston home evansmp aston offic
talk.politics.misc	gun american express car articl apr grace boe rwojcik atc boe richard wojcik write articl utkvm utk edu veal utkvm utk edu david veal write articl apr grace boe rwojcik atc boe richard wojcik write directli contradict nejm studi that compar crime seattl and vancouv gun rate roughli for citi differ violent crime rate almost total gun relat and not point studi critiqu two seper articl jame wright and david kopel come mind point that differ almost minor relat that gun crime rate skyrocket for poor minor black and hispan primarili you compar white major virut ident peopl never read nejm articl that thi critiqu valid fact studi explor minor issu length and cite studi back content that poverti not minor type relev factor violenc statist perhap fail make clear minor correl poverti thi isn good and address shouldnt ignor that minor and poverti tend togeth vancouv consistantli poor popul drawn racial line doesn assumpt compar minor major citi question post hoc ergo propter hoc area implement gun control high rate true extent washington gun control institut had crime problem true that crime proceed explod similarli for york don whether studi for citi usenet style statist argument not involv peopl sit comput latest world almanac figur had heard studi washington that signific drop gun relat violenc law implement heard gari kleck comment radio that thought declin suicid rate relat law doubt affect gun relat violenc never report studi pro gun friend had that report rememb you can that crime increas failur law affect crime rate you don whether rate increas law rate increas period year remain unchang increas not jump that law not effect you can sit and that thing wouldn wors don crystal ball and you that road lead place imposs critiqu action get wors valid object amus peopl end you don whether law prevent threefold increas fail stop two fold increas situat option crime rate decreas gun control work crime rate remain wors gun control crime rate increas perhap law prevent even bigger increas cute test ground respons support proposit that gun control work question thi washington experi increas violent and gun crime rate greater pattern prior implement gun control law suggest that problem gun control law design control not exist entireti prior gun control law david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl apr rigel tamu edu mst rigel tamu edu mitchel todd write articl apr udel edu carrol hercul ci udel edu mark carrol write wait second you ignor major fact attempt simpli serv warrant batf had knock warrant initi firefight began batf threw concuss grenad build batf admit thi batf thi batf offici version dissid statement batf offic conduct raid claim that davidian shoot agent long grenad rang and you claim two thing davidian not start shoot batf lob coupl genad window and start shoot warrant seal knock easi you feder agent bodi armor sub machin gun throught window that knock warrant sinc videotap show batf throw grenad etunr fire you can safe assum that didn ring doorbel vasilion rid that bandwidth clog sig
talk.politics.misc	median studi gai percentag articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl qvb ainnmoi darkstar ucsc edu stephen orchid ucsc edu write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write santa rosa cal press democrat april male sex survei gai activ low note thi contradictori titl gai activ low not percentag gai low headlin writer aren note for accuraci you state that thi studi present accur and depend thi confus issu and you read thi titl impli that gai sex homosexu sex activ low compar gener popul that survei naton studi male sexual behavior thorough examin american men sexual practic publish sinc kinsei report decad ago show percent men survei had engag homosexu sex and percent consid exclus homosexu exclus homosexu bisexu you aren readi carefulli quibbl statement that you post mark state that exclus homosexu state engag homosexu sex and not us adject homosexu sex state that homosex thi valid viewpoint that you you not write you you write you can read rememb you wrote
talk.politics.misc	janet reno kill waco children dsh eceyv ncsu edu doug holtsing write janet reno kill waco children respons for death resign immedi agre understood that david koresh madman children provok warn sign and provok koresh into kill children problem that mr reno strike watch nightlin last night person incap understand deal great number thing fact that bill and hillari had clear deck for dream packag free stuff for american peopl subject couldn wild card float and robert reich reich plan gloriou peopl democraci that wouldn fit vision whatyou progress work for you your work for and hand peasant children die for gloriou vision year child america small price pai eat cake
talk.politics.misc	earth pollut articl dzvb cellar org techi cellar org william bacon furi mother natur man contribut environment pollut paltri compar natur except book trash planet atom energi commis chairman dixi lee rai note base data atom energi commis hmm thi earth spew alot substanc into atmospher qualiti your toxic output can easili make for lack quantiti planet system carbon sulfur and chemic act for billion year newcom system adapt and control order bring stabil two wrong not make continu practic despit overwhelm data ignor action lo nino environmentalist attribut drought global warm research nation center for atmospher research educ and open mind environmentalist not opinion not reflect employ disclaim
talk.politics.misc	scientist not green hous effect articl cellar org techi cellar org william bacon word sum alot scientist conclud that doubt global climat will occur ring and dealt sourc reduct thi includ make that price fossil fuel reflect true cost opinion not reflect employ disclaim
talk.politics.misc	cu health big secret demon desir wright edu not boomer write harelb math cornel edu write matter logic that govern run system ineffici and fact that highli bureaucrat privat sector system vastli ineffici irrelev proof that entir privat sector vastli ineffici good point brett proof that basic health care market oper differ nonmarket phenomenom that privat sector can handl armi warlord that respect effect american societi canadian european societi for exampl relev that blue cross massachusett emploi peopl emploi canada health program insur time peopl blue cross govern health insur provid good point blue cross quit convolut compar canadian and german insur fund minim organ coordin bureaucraci built canada combat fraud such american cross border individu us insur card borrow friend and rel phoni domest address fraud ring steal block privat practic record insur account number public insur and privat insur never bother assumpt honour system gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl qumqkinnq senat bedfellow mit edu wdstarr athena mit edu william decemb starr write polit omit distribut line site new post softwar doesn and refus post hope that matt read articl voder nsc matt galaxi nsc matt freivald call form govern that advoc fractal feder fractal feder repres nation govern that limit power absolut that level state govern absolut power onward counti citi township district and neighborhood lowest read local level that power individu dai dai live good that level individu voic you you thi logic conclus doesn that real lowest level level individu voic that singl individu you omit that level your model and individu not omit didn fulli articul principl fractal feder govern power deriv peopl each level can receiv power level below amend process true consensu major write that power into constitut level case lowest level amend pass major vote case higher level pass legislatur can haggl specif true consensu hold constitut convent onc power grant exercis legislatur power not origin constitut percol upward start individu ratif process for origin constitut involv consensu and not simpli plural major grant constitut empow govern that level restrict activ govern lower level oper amend process that crazi resembl suppos not actual govern structur thi govern structur frustrat for peopl read liber concentr power us govern forc peopl good difficult defin word and that difficult reach consensu frustrat structur for want us govern dictat person behavior read big govern conserv person type peopl frustrat incred eros liberti civil and econom that thi imho good govern stuctur for role govern protect individu liberti recogn that individu influenc type commun that live free market work govern not econom succes idea propog unsuccess idea die your definit success idea success govern maintain peac liberti and opportun for happi for peopl work realiti human natur you bring point intent not that last idea mean necessarili success idea that fractal feder bring idea light and peopl opportun democrat choos good idea and bad idea docialist mean democrat and govern activ foster prosper peopl will plethora local opportun check thesi libertopia will aris balanc conserv republ democrat receiv level govern activ will becom clear peopl that set moral tone concern commun not collect want put prostitut front kid commun not want prolifer drug kid for reason that put church oper open kid can and owner hous across street fly american flag open dai front kid call freedom don idea kid expos can educ and persuad kid thing that peopl wrong bad and peopl not rescind freedom read empow govern amend process that feder govern suppos work suprem soviet mean suprem court put stop that republican govern nonsens hypothet govern constitut provis empow govern regul church govern level talk ban church constitut provis invalid higher level had constitut provis protect free exercis religion uppermost constitut suprem law land find interest that you applaud idea free market competit idea and support major commun suppress idea don matter individu control associ and environ not matter suppress idea dilemma human condit that individu liberti and control environ fractal feder govern right protect constitut right protect simpli govern not empow infring consensu reach that govern power freedom infring thi cannot avoid murder statut infring freedom that consensu american peopl that murder statut good idea that parent that control environ that children live peopl feel that sleep peacefulli night nois ordin zone law that busi overrun residenti neighborhood not view bad thing individu instanc bad concept not necessarili bad view peopl commun control type commun that live altern anarchi anoth post you can come scenario individu can autonom absolut effect individu govern restrict that activ simpli not behavior that fit into categori autonom thing becom issu individu group power anoth individu group that fractal feder approach sound not ideal approach limit thi restrict power libertarian scenario degener make and system lawyer abus natur right philosophi decid power govern subvert democrat process suprem court problem egalitarian view that deni fundament dilemma democrat govern peopl exercis voic commun individu left thi dilemma precis not that take place vacuum oddli you liter conflict peopl exercis voic voic equal persuas speech commun idea into head that dictat behavior commun that troubl begin answer thi expand exampl stand nake front your hous and masturb front your children plai your libertarian small scenario recours you yell autonom judgement time not scientif realiti clear definit exactli you empow make that judgement stuff delet not mike peopl local neighborhood voic that neighborhood deni thi creat anoth concentr central power local abus power essenc pit bull toi poodl bite your leg chanc pit bull turn you dai and you defens you toi poodl argument appear that tyranni individu local major superior feder govern and exercis power protect individu neighbor that feder govern will eventu and inevit becom corrupt and us power tyrann lot truth that that happen unit state todai unclear that progress match model sinc belov and benign feder govern hasn shown enthusiasm for idea protect individu lot peopl long complaint and short practic solut pessimist that idea will bear fruit long solut interest you improv make idea call idea come averag gui read constitut benefit indoctrin constitut law academia that that your solut bad trade yoke feder tyranni for yoke local tyranni doesn cheer prefer put faith larger govern that protect individu time time place local mob rule admittedli lesser two evil and not and pretti damn evil confus fault that fractal feder resembl constitut meant and thought pretti clear explain that ultim deriv govern power consensu peopl not consent individu practic observ not moral judgement govern power deriv lawyer situat that suprem court juri court juri for each case not perfect philosophi govern you find repugn idea your solut ideal leav alon and govern coerciv power kind thi will never work peopl and natur will want forc view thi not case forc view that murder wrong thi true question you your propos solut encourag bozo lord victim that you misunderstood structur form govern advoc and fault for not clear and liborg think irrelev integr irrelev free speech irrelev privat properti irrelev person respons irrelev conservativ futil you will assimil freedom speech privat properti right respect commun major allow make rule that man thing public that don want children expos shut homo live togeth and fornic that hous run outta town major not make rule major possibl plural simpli elect repres exercis limit govern power limit govern power deriv larg consensu not simpl major and feder govern scenario power protect freedom william decemb starr wdstarr athena mit edu matt freivald liborg think irrelev integr irrelev free speech irrelev privat properti irrelev person respons irrelev conservativ futil you will assimil opinion and not employ
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl tvhinnh ctron new ctron smith ctron write articl rusq new cso uiuc edu azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu freshman vof write critis easi solut peopl that fbi had for last month for starter wait and negoti davidian weren anywher and suppli had limit larg perhap limit had simpli fire compound gov tank smash wall gov not guilti us inappropri level forc and us meantim continu pressur and negoti not look good new six month year hell don good true todai boston globe interview unif church leader consult cult fbi approach total wrong break loyalti koresh psycholog mean koresh theologi base approach confront forc evil world and seig mental base thi fed plai into hand perfectli surround compound tank and plai loud rock music and glare light strongli reinforc koresh messag that world evil and threaten set picnic atmospher and act invit and friendli broadcast system love rel reflect pleasant event cult member childhood idea make world and surrend pleasant desir altern interest comment peter
talk.politics.misc	messag for you presid you happen prijat uof edu bill triangl uof edu bill gunshannon write such thing toxic tear ga tear ga breathabl remain presenc will nausea and vomit eventu siezur and death fbi physic health peopl expos potenti heart problem knew that pregnant women children not that gass attempt save children yesterdai can wors sort child abus that pour tear ga into build you tear ga canist tear ga produc burn chemic can fume produc tear ga canist warn print side contact flamabl materi can result fire canist throw insid build admit fire trap heard two thing recent explain thi pump ga into build sort pipe canist sort tear ga describ sort powderi materi that stick thing kind powder cloud and onc govern lacki explain and sinc govern stori chang inform not true thi thing case reaction offici step hope investig and respons parti held account that highli you figur investig texa ranger will investig wors fbi atf investig
talk.politics.misc	waco burnout articl apr hemlock crai rja mahogani crai russ anderson write author that branch davidian member start fire will wit disput that claim fbi that survivor claim leader cult talk set fire and smelt kerosen assum thi will come trial that occur result event went llnl gov
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl apr romulu rutger edu kaldi romulu rutger edu theodor kaldi write wouldn worri start find polit impot homosexu relev stuff delet and come thi saturdai wind tremend egg face submit perhap queer will show washington promis crowd million and will will act and queer nation not gui work cubicl that plai middl america wrong you will particip last nation march washington mow for lesgaybi right oct turnout peopl and didn alot piss time big issu aid crisi weren slap quit bad thi time aid and equal right and militari squabbl and thi mow plan for year last pull togeth rel short time last mow largest and you can bet exce that long shot will exce million goal mow committe had set for thi event todd allyn hout email hout uiuc edu hout zelda eh uiuc edu messag dai dai til mow
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl apollo nelson apollo peter nelson write human commun impos valu individu that virtual oper definit you can find exampl human commun that doesn you discov phenomenon natur pointless ask whether commun thi thi ask whether leopard spot evolv that human commun evolv biolog and social sens evolv thi characterist you can debat whether matter left individu not thi part process evolut natur human commun impos valu individu and you will not find singl counterexampl natur peter time human histori peopl kill and stolen anoth you can find exampl thi hasn happen histori you discov phenomenon natur pointless ask whether peopl thi thi evolv that human evolv thi characteristivc you can debat whether thi matter left individu not natur human kill and steal and you will not find singl counterexampl societi type natur find argument that child mortal find heart made attempt chang that john viveiro jviv chevron chevron usa standard disclaim appli midland
talk.politics.misc	american sexual repress articl jason apr larc nasa gov jason austin austin larc nasa gov write articl apr sun urz uni heidelberg gsmith lauren iwr uni heidelberg gene smith write recent studi map recent studi can shown accuraci you claim thi studi battel human affair research center seattl and hot topic new last week studi question random men face face interview thi not studi studi studi includ publish janu report give figur janu report figur not kinsei homosexu men and bisexu men earlier studi map talk kinsei statist us heavili gai group push polit agenda kinsei work accus lack strong scientif backbon don stupid kinsei report studi can map studi includ battel critic agenda thi chutzpah your agenda obviou gene ward smith brahm gang iwr ruprecht karl univers gsmith kalliop iwr uni heidelberg
talk.politics.misc	janet reno kill waco children articl sno boi dianem boi dian mathew write articl apr ncsu edu dsh eceyv ncsu edu doug holtsing write janet reno kill waco children respons for death resign immedi fact that disagre you offer resign and presid reject offer will respons and helluva lot republican attornei gener btw crocodil tear wast religi nut want wast back wast hundr thousand religi nut middl east and cheer mike
talk.politics.misc	not disast articl aninnin charnel ecst csuchico edu dyoung ecst csuchico edu dougla young write you face fact love canal not and not environment disast even problem time beach and tmi and acid rain kill tree and not problem you move mile island imagin cheap properti don weather back east bother not bit live equival area you extra exposur radiat tmi natur occur catastroph event disast that destroi properti hurrican tornado earthquak not leav toxic wast that prevent peopl build live man made disast oil spill toxic dump radioact wast dispers death and make area unliv initi event death and unliv area and you manag find unliv area percentag total land area hint total wast produc nuclear reactor can safe store area footbal field peopl that love canal kind environment disast weird opinion mine and you can rent cheap
talk.politics.misc	waco and panama haven recogn name previou discuss notic that blame clinton for action batf waco you felt bush direct command panama partisan whine expect can condemn and not limbot will kill thousand panamanian civilian serv arrest warrant allow religi fanat commit suicid botch attempt batf serv search warrant john viveiro jviv chevron chevron usa standard disclaim appli midland
talk.politics.misc	median studi gai percentag apr gmt gari piatt observ median not impli that half men and half below simpli mean that mid point maximum number partner and minimum like median defin percentil median number sexual partner for men mean that men had fewer sexual partner and men had sexual partner question sexual partner confus matter data set mean arithmet averag set number sampl standard deviat mode median michael adam starowl rahul net enterpris alabama strang quirk sing peopl tie mork
talk.politics.misc	california antidiscrimin sort case predict articl apr nott eczcaw mip nott wainwright write clayton babe defin word molest you legal term proper dictionari term molest can rememb mean damag person mate mike lure into woman parlour that molest number friend straight lost virgin that molest told that enjoi experi damag stop push your object moral you push peopl won fall and gad you push back you sign for that logic yep and child that tree frog johnson adbuct for month reportedli enjoi experi train food fbi agent report disciplinari action for beat tree frog you year babi cheerfulli you peanut butter sandwich and suck your pee pee you lose control you quit sick peopl that love canal kind environment disast weird opinion mine and you can rent cheap
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl apr nott eczcaw mip nott wainwright write guess that you person dislik contact peopl ethnic minor your argument fall flat face you state that you anti discrimin bill forc associ homosexu assum your will you that you not associ closet you chang your argument read forc associ truthfulli homosexu peopl will you proof that you not homosexu and thi punch larg hole your argument your belief that homosexu come flavour sic and that camp minc type prove you cannot you quit incoher perhap you forc associ peopl your will nice larg group skinhead lock basement for hour will wonderfulli educ you you don freedom asscoiat you can complain can you bloodi turdlet peopl that love canal kind environment disast weird opinion mine and you can rent cheap
talk.politics.misc	top ten excus for slick willi record set disapprov rati articl apr rtp crosmun crosmun rtp william crosmun write hand rush made interest point democrat ran campaign year pathet republican and paranoiac and pull vote lost seat hous and gain seat senat pretti interest clueless world heart elector will vote for pathet republican and paranoiac jmc
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag apr romulu rutger edu kaldi romulu rutger edu theodor kaldi write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write chump brandei mean peopl care peopl gai long you find avoid you want don you don care effort put into promot lie import scare politician into obedi wouldn worri start find polit impot homosexu colorado boycott fizzl slick willi effect prevent implement militari polici wrt homosexu member parti thi studi cast larg shadow doubt claim larg number and come thi saturdai wind tremend egg face submit perhap queer will show washington promis crowd million and will will act and queer nation not gui work cubicl that plai middl america sigh you absolut polit power whatsoev oppress and and denigr hope you don sir heard disparag you polit minor and had shred respect door pretti will find retreat back into closet belong don count sweetheart view express theodor kaldi you kaldi remu rutger edu that major univers rutger remu rutger edu kaldi thi hold such view not major univers wouldn touch view that displai brainpow and perspect mayfli ten foot pole drewcif incident even mayfli come enlighten bullshit evolv bit will you andrew simchik schnopia uhura rochest edu treewat word weren made for coward happi rhode
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write articl apr usu edu slp usu edu write batf left begin look koresh person thought gun bigger gun botch dai shouldn place conveni ignor murder batf agent branch davidian unprovok ambush you doubt awar phill six mutual contradictori version event waco feb reput new sourc rang associ press time newsweek earliest report issu not flatter batf and produc question fire for you wit kind doubt that govern that tinpot dictat set shop and declar privat state drift into anarchi law control ownership gun and batf had good reason beleiv that violat set obtain legal warrant and attempt serv met gunfir rang doorbel batf letter send peopl that ambush lost element surpris and that and knock door and had slam face strike kind strang reli surpris serv warrant knock door question that answer paranoid assert that batf fire unprovok assault assum that batf death thi paranoid assert made wit origin assault state that batf initi hostil throw concuss grenad and report associ press had expect peaceful citizen accept search author court turn tank and broken door dai phill batf firefight for forti minut find hard that expect peac citizen wouldn shown live stock trailer and retreat immedi expect peac citizen show hundr offic visibl video carri sub machinegun and nation guard helicopt don question that answer david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.misc	rush joke heard dai that rush togeth tammi fay baker crawl bed night and rush feet brush tammi leg god your feet cold rush look back and tammi honei told you alon you can call rush dump bump pishhhhh bob
talk.politics.misc	employ not concentr child molest wow hadn realiz venom thi get care problem isn rich valu and system that make rich rich thing design such that order system and make monei care shit constantli remind that goal human societi not make monei monei doesn make happi prevent thing make unhappi don shoot rich shoot conserv drewcif andrew simchik schnopia uhura rochest edu treewat word weren made for coward happi rhode
talk.politics.misc	american sexual repress articl qunlginnfdr titan uc umass edu quilti titan uc umass edu lulu lotu eater write talk kinsei statist us heavili gai group push polit agenda kinsei work accus lack strong scientif backbon defend man alfr not that thi poster sinc deletia phobe rant aren such phobe mistakenli critic man you support insult articl you call rant had absolut opinion and seri factual statement jason austin austin larc nasa gov
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl rusq new cso uiuc edu azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu freshman vof write critis easi solut peopl that fbi had for last month withdraw leav peopl compund lead live choos prosecut baft agent for murder brandon hutchison univers canterburi christchurch zealand
talk.politics.misc	hunt marin gai bash wilmington verdict ursa bear halat panther bear jim halat write articl apr bsu uc cmmiller leo bsuvc bsu edu write fact that you bunch cop put live line dai and dai afraid hell larg black gui that larg amount punish and refus submit yeah you watc start video king prone postion and charg cop video cut you sit and watch start even rodnei king had come that car wave gun and manag disarm polic had beat senseless onc ground can handl job reliev polic not beat king ground beat knee back you had watch entir video you thi addition anna quindlan york time paraphras peopl bring happen shown tape ronald reagan georg bush racism you thi true relev you sadder shape thought mob rule isn prettier mob call govern ain chariti you monei wilson theori rel you back relat mark wilson atlantaga ncr
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talk.politics.misc	waco survivor april articl sira pew hawnew watson ibm strom watson ibm rob strom write articl segz mwr dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write order reject word fbi and batf neccessari beleiv word man murder children and order suicid murder follow account batf attempt serv warrant koresh ranch and met gunfir deliber attempt murder koresh gun support claim that batf start shoot simpli not stand aft had start shoot heavier grade weaponri standard issu handgun for practic purpos unarm follow had automat weapon peopl not want gun control discount entir govern stori thi simpli rationalis not for simpli dismiss govern incompet that requir come solut come govern conspiraci theori govern decid set murder peopl set sort scare alow gun control legisl object character oppos govern handl waco situat gun support your argument paint batf critic wing gun nut and mix two issu batf fbi critic and liber and anti gun you happen that civil right even religi crazi human be not nest wasp that you extermin batf creat crisi situat handl origin raid that koresh regularli jog properti serv search warrant arrest had refus compli offic arm grenad invad properti thi escal into shoot war tragic death side two mistak bad judgment ask for knock warrant and bad and illeg unwis warrant serv thi point situat escal describ arm standoff and hostag crisi that govern start cover trace seal warrant revis report histori incid etc thing build disast govern simpli close suppli rout and wait janet reno that option had never consid supposedli agent frustrat and fatigu and supposedli backup felt had govt handl rambo hollywood type style extreem machismo perhap that not handl complet thing start assert that govern primarili blame comparison nazi pure gratuit sinc you provid construct opinion issu your post desrev peter nelson made good point low kei approach effect point that you learn mistak govt plai wrong card and lost that not big deal had had gui murder begin and maybe not prepar for wuit thi situat thing happen perhap castig govt us tactic and fail can that not made mistak maybe wouldn don rule for confront situat can avoid maybe press difficult not macho stuff fbi had inform compound had access calcul that follow resolv crack base listen devic compound knew that koresh had chicken suicid attempt thi reason consid that fear weapon for break resolv panama had us heavi rock music great effect bush invas funni that koresh support and appologist complain death thousand pananmanian civilian govt attempt arrest alli and not turn thi into pro gun anti gun discuss anti gun peopl not that gun owner deserv frontal assault arm govern agent and koresh civil right exist whether gun legal illeg illeg legal koresh negat civil right minut follow fire polic helicopt matter whether warrant not technic valid gui carri thought that assault complet inexcus matter rationalis peopl emploi gun issu that core question divers phill hallam baker
talk.politics.misc	race and violenc articl mvpc netcom mvp netcom mike van pelt terribl wrong cultur condemn attack and kill member attempt educ mother elementari school teacher and tell that and african american collegu frustrat tear fact that african american child attempt school and educ accus peer white and beaten bulli and torment each pass grade test earn beat mother school promis young student happen african american had throat cut young thug you you point don stop african american high school earli occas had knive pull had friend stab and beaten repeatedli that couldn accept and don teacher hook occas teacher that resent scare wit bulli even stop peopl attack and watch quietli thi nice white middl class high school fact nice and white that made that black kid class unabl prom white girlfriend thi isn race thing public school run hate high school didn deal gun rove psycho drug dork and jock futur plenti testosteron separ learn asshol hei valueless learn and glorif jock american tradit you chang you kid public school system and educ that wouldn kid parent scott
talk.politics.misc	worship constitut gun papresco undergrad math uwaterloo paul prescod read thi newsgroup can impress froth mouth lunat lot snip constitut worship constitut constitut wasn frame men centuri ago total world option respect constitut abid duli amend abandon part major disapprov sinc point constitut restrain will major and sinc even unfett democraci noth fear minor amount abandon constitut altogeth will mark pundur resembl opinion and wolfram research inc pure coincident
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl veal utkvm utk edu veal utkvm utk edu david veal write articl dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write govern that tinpot dictat set shop and declar privat state drift into anarchi law control ownership gun and batf had good reason beleiv that violat set obtain legal warrant and attempt serv met gunfir rang doorbel batf letter send peopl that ambush lost element surpris and that and knock door and had slam face strike kind strang reli surpris serv warrant knock door not mount continu state alert gunmen readi fire peopl casual walk ring doorbel onc insid build batf control train polic offic match bunch bozo plai soldier had expect peaceful citizen accept search author court turn tank and broken door dai phill batf firefight for forti minut find hard that expect peac citizen wouldn shown live stock trailer and retreat immedi not smart move meant part surpriz cover even narrow open truck simpli not good idea side open truck cover waggon expect peac citizen show hundr offic visibl video carri sub machinegun and nation guard helicopt sound minimum amount forc that serv warrant talk polit gun annual dinner michael hesseltin order us crack troop includ member parachut regiment remov approx hippi peac protestor site want instal cruis missil even turn flack jacket monitor proceed danger tool women posses tin open that singl action cost posit prime minist elder church arrest that heroic action forc toryism hesseltin nation joke phill hallam baker
talk.politics.misc	waco survivor april articl dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write point that you learn mistak govt plai wrong card and lost that not big deal had had gui murder begin and maybe not prepar for wuit thi situat thing happen perhap castig govt us tactic and fail can that not made mistak maybe wouldn don rule for confront situat can avoid maybe press difficult not macho stuff god chanc oper move philedelphia earli black panther chicago etc etc hell heavili arm milleni cult west coupl year start cascad time fed situat thi dave griffith inform resourc univers chicago biolog scienc divis dave delphi bsd uchicago edu brain damag chromosom damag gravi
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl apr rigel tamu edu mst rigel tamu edu mitchel todd write xref dscomsa alt activ talk polit misc articl apr udel edu carrol hercul ci udel edu mark carrol write wait second you ignor major fact attempt simpli serv warrant batf had knock warrant initi firefight began batf threw concuss grenad build batf admit thi batf thi batf offici version dissid statement batf offic conduct raid claim that davidian shoot agent long grenad rang warrant seal knock hei don confus gui fact dude you break beauti illus batf admit thi mean that batf not deni post pro koresh gun lobbi person time back understand paranoid mindset koresh offer you talk polit gun you can dredg sewer mind hung power and ego trip that bend realiti arround set beleif long ago gave argu case for arm control directli invit peopl you want room full occup talk polit gun person armouri and attempt enter discuss phill hallam baker
talk.politics.misc	govern and you articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write articl apr infonod ingr albeaj jima ingr jim albea write gee jim you check constitut you find order promot gener welfar ordain and establish thi constitut surpris you miss paragraph thought you made preambl you almost and good you follow your advic preambl constitut read you quot not forget that preambl not bind part constitut and carri weight law that poor tortur paragraph unfortun passag english languag wit legion blowhard vagu floweri phrase part law land you that politician give lip servic promot gener welfar limit constitut buddi blowhard manag includ gener welfar anoth portion constitut articl section congress power lai and collect tax pai debt and provid for common defenc and gener welfar unit state guess want make understood meant preambl sinc explicitli includ gener welfar and defens articl section guess you grant that botha constitut function jame madison federalist paper urg and echo that power lai and collect tax duti impost and excis pai debt and provid for common defens and gener welfar unit state amount unlimit commiss exercis power alleg for common defens gener welfar stronger proof distress writer labor for object stoop such misconstruct had enumer definit power congress found constitut gener express cite author object had color for color can object specif object allud gener term immedi follow and not even separ longer paus semicolon noth natur common us gener phrase and explain and qualifi recit particular cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl innh ctron new ctron smith ctron lawrenc smith write paranoid assert that batf fire unprovok assault assum that batf death had expect peaceful citizen accept search author court turn tank and broken door dai thi stupid that paranoid assert testamoni surviv wit and batf tank awar batf fbi yesterdai us maximum forc that dai that offic kill surviv wit member cult prai stupid attempt serv warant place ludicr underarm and unprotect polic underarm you flabberghast load for bear and pictur show wear bullet proof vest concuss grenad and full auto weapon miss low yield tac nuke thi transpar attempt retcon justif for ridicul amount forc us initi and yesterdai you asham discuss whether bush differ basi panama grenada tripoli kewait etc decid that bush ask for surgic airstrik us cruis missil peopl suggest that us nuke warhead cruis point that cheap us miss armour vehicl net care suggest fire method bring murder polic offic justic perhap hear had fire method bottl and talk death surrend give justif for loonei tune religi stunt phil read your post for month and convinc that you will back matter damag right you will hurt peopl you don peopl that attitud that set precondit for holocaust process that place thi countri even tatter piti remain constitut slow progress thi isn libertarian issu argu that line strictli constitut view democrat gov fbi and batf wrong wrong wrong even reason for arrest koresh that lead death children noth touch your stonei heart wrong matter push button for god sake man your moral back person murder children koresh and brought death deliber you that complet bastard and not nice chap that quit true don pretend nice amateur you want talk polit you talk hard decis such whether live troop risk attempt rescu children held offic presid unit state sinc fdr held threat that usa alli threaten usa risk nuclear holocaust order protect freedom beleiv not that not sort threat that nice chap make gun nutter section version cnd chanc case societi protect madmen such koresh hitler not for consider children question tactic us not matter academ signific not for govt prevent peopl commit mass suicid latest report that cult member shot attempt leav compound koresh loyalist fire proven that entail final nail coffin want promot koresh sort role model hero add that koresh that creat holocaust thi case deliber arson ranch appocalyps phill hallam baker
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talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl apr galileo rochest edu uhura rochest edu caifon write hope you don sir suppos signifi prefer companionship person not euphem heard thankfulli you gender for not deviant disparag you polit minor sexual deviant not compris polit minorit and had shred respect door associ girl respect find sort inclin head door account view aberr behavior homosexu encourag and advis not door whack backsid such airhead pretti will find retreat back into closet belong don count sweetheart can count inevit for part natur order thing histori natur assert don arrog assum that thi foolish and misguid gener can chang natur man practic gener fail greater men you haven thi will happen matter you pretend not your sweetheart view express theodor kaldi you kaldi remu rutger edu that major univers rutger remu rutger edu kaldi thi hold such view
talk.politics.misc	bush previou articl garrett ingr grep friend articl usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu write post offic fridai passport app save convert bye gosh thi mean not invit white hous barbecu real differ you and garrett that knew time leav
talk.politics.misc	janet reno kill waco children articl fern camelot fern camelot bradlei edu jill rosencran write not satisfi outcom upset you simpli blame wrong person jill you stori even not long thi countri man parole convict violent crimmin lead polic high speed chase break anoth law decid that polic had job and enforc law and assualt two attempt resist arrest polic us metal stick forc into submiss heard reason peopl thi countri and excus refus obei law thi perfect exampl polic oppress polic had behav and finei noth victim possibl warrant respons blow stick author funni bloodbath billi hitwench call shot group peopl bother not broken law ask that left alon practic religion fit that govern justifi assualt peopl heavili arm commando simpli gun grabber thought peopl had gun thai thought clinton administr that blood dozen hand aaaall sudden peopl refus civil right violat fault evil fanat provok mind liber democrat clinton support that crimmin puke scum bag piec garbag rodnei king not possibl provok beat thi bunch wierdo fifti dai stand that end burn death and children polic and peopl deserv hear clinton blame rest sole koresch cowardli piec work that man shown blame peopl you and that defend action batf fbi justic depart thi matter that each word prove and depth hypocrisi doubl standard that peopl clinton hold american time allow excus offer victim clear dai comment presid and ration support group that liber democrat vision america select peopl can expect civil right enforc and thi administr intend enforc law appli constitut and obei law suit rooster warn order heir clinton and for your person safeti rememb maintain membership batf approv religi organ batf approv religi servic
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl apr gordian mike gordian michael thoma write articl voder nsc matt galaxi nsc matt freivald write articl apr gordian mike gordian michael thoma write set moral tone concern commun not collect want put prostitut front kid commun not want prolifer drug kid and standpoint drug dealer prostitut differ gun point local hick citi council fed wrong wrong period not sustain feder level geograph unit smaller peter nelson post eloqu respons thi point talk polit misc not consum bandwidth problem egalitarian view that deni fundament dilemma democrat govern peopl exercis voic commun individu left thi dilemma precis not that take place vacuum you misus word egalitarian you word you us vast differ equal justic law and egalitarian meant not clear intersect set liber and libertarian philosophi natur right and govern and constitut interpret fit into that philosophi thi philosophi engag practic error endow lawyer suprem court almost totalitarian author complet consent consensu peopl thi suprem court nomin such amaz polit fist fight dai control court rule countri peopl court job can benevol oligarch even you approv suprem court decis eventu oligarch will aris that will decim that you hold dear suprem court case juri and problem mitig great deal creat broad enumer govern power level european parlamentari democraci and current facto standard essenti engag fundament mistak that bodi that totalitarian virtual uncheck plural elect death retir govern power and your commun allow stop activ not pick your pocket defraud you you don you find moral repugn thi ask wind blow you can prove that fact your engag activ absolut effect whatsoev human not consent your engag activ human activ fit into thi categori even for that you empow make judgement and not fulli autonom activ defin pick pocket and defraud econom asset person asset peac mind stabil confid child emot environ secur and thing not part person asset you creat moral environ that parent strongli object you creat environ social unrest and instabl you that you not effect author you that empow make judgement you feel gang togeth and found xtianiti insert your favorit moral repugn and pass law outlaw free exercis local level sinc that you feder constitut explicitli prohibit you feder govern prevent you not and you muster local support pass amend local constitut major empow local govern vote feet and move neighborhood friendli system valu thi not ideal situat mess mire gang pitchfork and torch wield friend restrict local law that person advoc vote for sinc view that exercis govern power your neighbor extrem care and absolut protect children victim peopl callou disregard for effect leav behav massag parlor alon long had detriment effect neighborhood you don debat not whether you communit not vote right proprieti whether that even option you defin right broadli practic choic whether peopl will will not infring your right sinc right overlap even right defin narrowli govern empow prevent infring your right fundament question author that power creat you support current situat natur right suprem court origin understand suprem court even suprem court juri you consent lawyer washington creat power air fractal feder scenario broad consensu peopl amend process that creat power not mike peopl local neighborhood voic that neighborhood deni thi creat anoth concentr central power local abus power you mean that horrif central power individu mean feder govern that come truck gun local run neighborhood waco nice exampl essenc pit bull toi poodl bite your leg chanc pit bull turn you dai and you defens you toi poodl ideal leav alon and govern coerciv power kind thi will never work peopl and natur will want forc view thi not case forc view that murder wrong fine forc view prosecut leav alon thi such simpl concept you feel speech code hate speech consid indic that pit bull turn dai commun allow limit not not you creat commun public masturb permit person autonomi you precis autonom activ you refer you list perhap can peopl agre that autonom and pass constitut amend protect and you feel david koresh deserv batf local version allow toss jail rocker koresh incid appear horrend abus govern power power possibl illegitim obtain mean abolish constitution knock warrant dubiou not mention mere exist batf and govern propens ignor word infring second amend thi power upheld bodi incred concentr power hand peopl that upheld call civil right read affirm action legisl despit fourteenth amend public till rid and face agre get rid public till you you don want come for coffe you not neighborhood and not can agre each live kind life want point you rid public till you lose credibl you privat affair you you readi for that monei not asset thi world thi bleak exist michael thoma mike gordian matt freivald liborg think irrelev integr irrelev free speech irrelev privat properti irrelev person respons irrelev conservativ futil you will assimil opinion and not employ
talk.politics.misc	continu decai previou articl pyotr halcyon peter hamp militari mission kill enemi can escap surrend you haven explain can us enforc civil law job koresh call air strike chu pyotr pyotr halcyon sometim pyotr filipivich sometim owl optimist bagpip beeper
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl cyf murdoch acc virginia edu lfoard hopper virginia edu lawrenc foard write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write santa rosa cal press democrat april male sex survei gai activ low naton studi male sexual behavior thorough examin american men sexual practic publish sinc kinsei report decad ago show percent men survei had engag homosexu sex and percent consid exclus homosexu figur homosexu studi releas wednesdai alan guttmach institut significantli lower percent figur that part convent wisdom sinc publish kinsei report homosexu lie number hide disproportion involv homosexu child molest put shut your evid show studi indic link like grown up sex and like children that molest children male show noth sinc tell you noth molest prefer adult lie politician scare politician will plenti scare week will interest reaction million queer gather washington million thi event unprecid histori peopl will march aren homosexu member leftist agenda will queer vast major queer join pythagorean reform church repent your evil irrat number and bean eat wai accept into your heart call pythagorean reform church bb
talk.politics.misc	janet reno kill waco children previou articl dianem boi dian mathew fact that disagre you offer resign and presid reject offer will respons and presid ball stand decis contempt ignor
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl pit lll winken llnl gov went llnl gov suranyi write articl apr usu edu slp usu edu write articl rusq new cso uiuc edu azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu freshman vof write critis easi solut peopl that fbi had for last month firstli back fault assault atf offic di onc that back longer option peopl insid koresh crimin suspect made case defens want court law polic had respons captur and arrest never heard case polic knew crimin suspect build and decid back continu sieg altern place and matter debat whether end let press let koresh talk press had allow talk press for coupl dai surrend peacefulli let rel koresh follow talk you isol send crazi plai loudspeak night tibetan chant etc you don stand behav crazi not saniti start suspici govern control commun and send press mile gut feel that knock warrant seal not stand scrutini don knock warrant constitut writer had mind gave right improp search and seizur don power central high tax govern constitut writer had mind delag right citizen and state and restrict central govern
talk.politics.misc	janet and babi previou articl demon desir wright edu not boomer evid janet concern for babi slap koresh that made give ahead for ram ga tactic larri king live tell and sicken word janet reno mouth children etc sound clinton talk made claim that children beaten etc despit pronounc social worker that children left compound abus real crime larri king and censor show not fuck question reno error two call had made good decis doesn rocket scientist figur that peopl upset nope real question
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talk.politics.misc	janet reno kill waco children previou articl went llnl gov suranyi thi ridicul can provok consid plai exceedingli minor role person kill ultim respons for action frankli sick li bad clinton and wors listen rick fbi word half hour fire come your hand thi matter hear rick and reno claim that thi anoth increment step pressur bullshit pick mondai morn notic busi work start week bullshit fbi hold back fire engin paraphras session didn hold back engin had stand blah balh blah and protect fireman didn engin enter safe fuck thi banana hell kind doubl talk thi didn blah balh huh watch thi clinton take respons even wasn decis bullshit not respons even bullshit christ went llnl gov
talk.politics.misc	janet reno kill waco children articl sno boi dianem boi dian mathew write articl apr ncsu edu dsh eceyv ncsu edu doug holtsing write janet reno kill waco children respons for death resign immedi understood that david koresh madman children provok warn sign and provok koresh into kill children fact that disagre you offer resign and presid reject offer will respons and presid ball stand decis fact that reno take respons gee that for politician thing for member clinton administr respect for backbon never thought that that bunch understand happen that discuss clinton plan for waco clinton didn gave facto approv for oper thing mess and lot peopl di horribl death incorrect thi feel free correct thi pick coupl question thi thing govern feel need assault that compound didn flush week thi fiasco wait dai janet reno jump responsibilti heat presid thi sound coupl reagan aid aaron
talk.politics.misc	janet reno kill waco children previou articl atboyken iastat edu aaron boyken articl sno boi dianem boi dian mathew write coupl question thi thing janet reno jump responsibilti heat presid thi sound coupl reagan aid couldn possibl america vote for chang and elect william georg clinton
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl rusq new cso uiuc edu azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu freshman vof write critis easi solut peopl that fbi had for last month wouldn davidian for firearm violat object place second wouldn execut search warrant arm assault davidian wouldn cut commun koresh and wouldn tank time fbi side sinc had resuppli wait indefinit matthew russotto russotto eng umd edu russotto wam umd edu new reader expect disclaim polic search and seizur make us forc not respons for bodili harm result advic
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl dscomsa desi hallam zeu desi write conveni ignor murder batf agent branch davidian unprovok ambush surround compound arm men and throw grenad isn provoc govern that tinpot dictat set shop and declar privat state drift into anarchi law control ownership gun and batf had good reason beleiv that violat set obtain legal warrant and attempt serv met gunfir rang doorbel you smoke not legal never rang doorbel not even batf claim that thi knock search good reason batf warrant and support affadavit not made public matthew russotto russotto eng umd edu russotto wam umd edu new reader expect disclaim polic search and seizur make us forc not respons for bodili harm result advic
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talk.politics.misc	polic state usa civl csc canterburi write articl rusq new cso uiuc edu azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu freshman vof write critis easi solut peopl that fbi had for last month withdraw leav peopl compund lead live choos prosecut baft agent for murder brandon hutchison univers canterburi christchurch zealand cheer brandon that suggest that seeeeee turmoil halcyon
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write articl veal utkvm utk edu veal utkvm utk edu david veal write articl dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write govern that tinpot dictat set shop and declar privat state drift into anarchi law control ownership gun and batf had good reason beleiv that violat set obtain legal warrant and attempt serv met gunfir rang doorbel batf letter send peopl that ambush lost element surpris and that and knock door and had slam face strike kind strang reli surpris serv warrant knock door not mount continu state alert gunmen readi fire peopl casual walk ring doorbel that batf concern surpris intend serv warrant knock door batf appear inconsist descript event and case mount ambush isn alert had expect peaceful citizen accept search author court turn tank and broken door dai phill batf firefight for forti minut find hard that expect peac citizen wouldn shown live stock trailer and retreat immedi not smart move meant part surpriz cover even narrow open truck simpli not good idea side open truck cover waggon batf fire left trailer knock door serv warrant descript heard batf not hang trailer onc decid open for that matter expect peac citizen come live stock trailer expect peac citizen show hundr offic visibl video carri sub machinegun and nation guard helicopt sound minimum amount forc that serv warrant talk polit gun annual dinner make thi straight you arm troop disguis vehicl and multipl helicopt us serv search warrant peac citizen and don entertain shift you describ batf expect peac michael hesseltin order us crack troop includ member parachut regiment remov approx hippi peac protestor site want instal cruis missil even turn flack jacket monitor proceed danger tool women posses tin open that singl action cost posit prime minist elder church arrest that heroic action forc toryism hesseltin nation joke don past abus excus present hell you not even discuss govern david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.misc	law and econom mix togeth stuff two ted frank articl apr midwai uchicago edu respons and apr midwai uchicago edu respons tim smith boomer court didn call emin domain walk emin domain and swim emin domain and quack emin domain wdstarr tort case emin domain case bankruptci contract emin domain state mandat transact parti requir sell piec properti own anoth parti whether parti wish sell price set state fail thi doctrin can found tort bankruptci contract case gener sort bankruptci sinc court suppos busi prevent parti reap windfal settlement parti settlement aris wrong act parti wdstarr sinc you that boomer relianc econom led unjust result point that your altern unjust tradit sens world atlant cement act not wrong that capitalist societi want build factori creat industri and job cost complianc grossli disproportion damag face plaintiff bang place wide diverg you that court decid civil disput two parti factor perhap overrid factor issu court ignor irrelev disput boomer atlant cement action brought parti boomer properti right violat ongo basi anoth parti atlant cement compani fact support boomer content that atlant cement wrongfulli damag properti and boomer ask court order atlant cement stop end stori reason for court such issu capitalist societi want atlant cement whether cost complianc disproportion damag face plaintiff issu had noth case court bill govern had step and epa made regul requir multi million dollar cement plant shut smatter cement dust cost benefit ratio you arm for judici branch interfer thi not legisl execut branch arm you assum that quit contrari support action sinc base gener doctrin decis that correct boomer idea that peopl properti right not violat for reason econom effici boomer boomer properti right court protect hypothet epa rule you present american peopl collect properti right healthi physic environ good cost benefit ratio you wind cement dust your air your rule make per illeg oper cement plant state massachusett similar regul you arm and complain interfer properti right and amend violat onc for judici branch interfer thi not legisl execut branch you not libertarian you present ted frank per illeg oper cement plant wouldn mean that bui land for cement plant you bui land that pollut stai your land bui pollut easement surround landown tim smith take holdout hundr neighbor scrap plant each neighbor want full benefit bargain result bilater monopoli bonanza for lawyer negoti each agreement windfal for homeown can extort profit plant make not good for societi court suppos protect specif right individu not gener interest nebul societi societi can cement plant violat right fine societi will limp cement plant ted libertarian that point coas theorem world transact cost land will automat put us transfer person person instantan friction legal regim will not matter result will world such our transact cost legal regim approxim end result begin order minim transact cost legal regim approxim end result begin order minim transact cost you speak want legal regim protect peopl right coas theorem real applic never never land perfectli ration actor real world peopl stubborn orneri spite irrat econom point view and purpos court protect don care you can show logic that your cattl damag properti per head ration sell you graze right land for per head retain you that plain don want damn cattl properti not price and you properti right protect plaintiff made unnecessari settlement cost avoid disput your claim that plaintiff made fact court action depriv right owner properti choos sell not sell that properti price accept wdstarr your argument tort plaintiff made award damag involuntari treat nuisanc plaintiff tort plaintiff don requir specif perform analog contractu situat tort last question for reason contract law come danger close tread thirteenth amend your your argument tort plaintiff made award damag involuntari claim you partial face situat wrong and damag victim place and cannot revers undon court will set equit price tag loss suffer victim and requir wrongdoer pai thi price inflat price victim prefer case sale place and irrevers and court simpli ensur that fair price paid doctrin that circumst even civil wrongdoer forc pai punit excess price and even genuin victim not profit unjustifi inequit manner victimhood doctrin worth discuss debat relev case boomer wrong act and loss stem futur and can revers undon prevent happen order court type case court requir that potenti victim properti right protect and agre sell mutual accept price for court guess equit loss and forc side accept find can leav that oper parti and sinc court suppos busi ensur that unnecessari settlement cost avoid miseduc thought that court suppos busi ensur that justic unnecessari settlement cost unjust punit case boomer simpli cost busi fact that proprietor atlant cement into posit found thi barrel simpli result poor busi decis start cement plant negoti boomer and properti right violat oper plant noth punit unjust complet sensibl you that alleg owner atlant cement stai busi and avoid lose lot monei due wrong act and alleg hundr atlant cement employe not job disappear trump right peopl properti damag atlant cement wrong act wdstarr commit wrong act disgorg entir set possess wrong person weren you complain excess punit damag commit wrong act futur requir bui victim advanc and seller allow set price for privileg injustic punit damag you posner bill libertarian didn that had case boomer wdstarr eal cite exampl bilater monopoli that court correctli avoid cover land and posner book tort law favor don that book front doesn sound libertarian libertarian tend right individu peopl not societi admit that understand field gener refer law and econom weak advoc us econom analysi tie breaker factor court us reach decis case disput measur scale justic evenli balanc fine illustr boomer not fine court start view econom case import justic case wdstarr thi case justic case intric ti econom case atlant cement commit tort caus damag pai million compens for damag commit state tort ongo atlant cement want continu violat boomer right court justifi set equit price tag damag commit had reason and set price tag futur violat boomer right and forc boomer sell that price william decemb starr wdstarr athena mit edu
talk.politics.misc	earth pollut articl apr titan ksc nasa gov rodger scoggin ksc nasa gov rodger scoggin write articl dzvb cellar org techi cellar org william bacon furi mother natur man contribut environment pollut paltri compar natur except book trash planet atom energi commis chairman dixi lee rai note base data atom energi commis hmm thi defend aec worth note that unfair tar that organ decidedli minor scientif view chairperson and term washington governor dixi lee rai rai polit agenda and document likewis lack object analys scientif data jsh steve hendrick domain steveh thor isc thing data cut uunet isc thor steveh bull hofferbert bell
talk.politics.misc	earth pollut articl apr titan ksc nasa gov rodger scoggin ksc nasa gov rodger scoggin write articl dzvb cellar org techi cellar org william bacon earth spew alot substanc into atmospher qualiti your toxic output can easili make for lack quantiti excus qualiti grade and grade not thi quit impress that planet system carbon sulfur and chemic act for billion year newcom system adapt and control order bring stabil two wrong not make continu practic despit overwhelm data ignor action reason thi system inher stabl ic ag occur human point that human contribut and greenhous gass insignific and won make differ make overwhelm data lot project futur fascin can predict weather two week advanc william everett tan rest and readi harvei mudd colleg nixon opinion mine you can
talk.politics.misc	earth pollut articl dzvb cellar org techi cellar org william bacon write furi mother natur man long match natur despoil environ bullshit lake ceas support life pure natur pollut man thi score lake degred you cite cow and pig and cow peopl rais legal freedom
talk.politics.misc	earth pollut articl uxhi murdoch acc virginia edu rwd poe acc virginia edu rob dobson write articl dzvb cellar org techi cellar org william bacon write furi mother natur man long match natur despoil environ bullshit lake ceas support life pure natur pollut man thi score lake degred you cite cow and pig you perhap heard dead sea wrong not misnam and don that human had hand sinc great cedar forest lebanon memori time christ not earlier point natur prolif despoil man creativ credit pesticid and heavi metal not mention radioact wonderfulli persist and fatal not that invent radioact heavi metal concentr that lethal threat gener find bacon argument rhetor devoid sens and trivial btw reason thi discuss phl misc long
talk.politics.misc	earth pollut articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick defend aec worth note that unfair tar that organ decidedli minor scientif view chairperson and term washington governor dixi lee rai rai polit agenda and document likewis lack object analys scientif data you correct apolog problem aec inher continu barag mislead data order support statement that nuclear not safe and clean cheap boot cent per kilowatt hour not cheap and nuclear power plant safe and clean nuclear power plant speak for uranium mine decommis
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag apr nott eczcaw mip nott wainwright write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write you you and rest homosexu commun pass law impos your moral code requir hire rent associ homosexu will you face homosexu stop impos moral will your face thi your post base premis that law stand not discrimin your argument fall immedi you not elimin discrimin exist law add discrimin that favor your group mob rule isn prettier mob call govern ain chariti you monei wilson theori rel you back relat mark wilson atlantaga ncr
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag apr romulu rutger edu kaldi romulu rutger edu theodor kaldi write articl apr galileo rochest edu uhura rochest edu caifon write hope you don sir suppos signifi prefer companionship person not euphem not ludicr signific term emploi avoid awkward construct girlfriend wife heard thankfulli you gender for not deviant deviant not fit accept norm that definit deviant bisexu not accept norm american societi thi term neg aspect inher denot presum you intend term abus great piti you feel such tactic surpris sinc you factual basi for your absurd belief disparag you polit minor sexual deviant not compris polit minorit attempt emul your style discours term abus ahem you addl pate jellyfish post respond highli amus you belittl homosexu for polit clout amus you explain polit clout and constitut polit minor and had shred respect door associ girl respect and you call girl feminist arm find sort inclin head door account view aberr behavior homosexu encourag and advis not door whack backsid such airhead cough cough you fine upstand fellow you sir and fine upstand fellow you read comprehens dyslex anteat perhap explicit point that femal constitut polit minor thi countri last check and that your obviou lack respect for minor equat lack respect for women that conceptu stretch logic your slow uptak monstrat figur start simpl and work don worri you pretti will find retreat back into closet belong don count sweetheart can count inevit for part natur order thing histori natur assert don arrog thi true thi bit natur assert homosexu part human societi and will for that natur order you naiv ahead not snicker loudli your back inevit chortl you had idea you talk haven fact you and you can dispens bullshit and that you clueless slime mold concept realiti donna reed show live and come back and natur order thing you bubbl and rock your world you come assum that thi foolish and misguid gener can chang natur man practic gener fail foolish and misguid thi religi figur you you and you natur man you almost amus worth effort crush your pealik brain greater men you haven thi will happen matter you pretend gee you sound methink bigot doth protest admit you scare shitless that you spoonf your life wrong and you escap that fear blind faith that you deep base noth noth ahead clutch your unfound declar your empti breast ignor myriad societi that accept homosexu equal valid even mystic ignor solid inescap fact hat exist long human fear ahead laugh make you feel you whistl dark group that stamp whenev appear form and that group bonehead fanci moral superior you that group and you slowli and steadili stamp preach you can man won long not your sweetheart that truth you told don hate het sir bisexu and embrac man and womankind alik noth don understand love you deni potenc and valid you crush human be your imagin divin fool you that stir ir idiot small mind can for noth real world oper and hate told and sheep hate refus sheep you not part norm you part minor minor suprem erween arrog your hubri will toppl intellig clown costum wow that pretenti sometim wast talent zero you interest continu thi effortless discuss thi for proverbi battl wit unarm oppon come back sword fact and battl till begon sight drewcif you entertain you consid take thi road hear escap back
talk.politics.misc	waterg temper tantrum articl apr poni ingr garrett ingr write you nixon didn us offic presid for person gain thi lie senat committe issu indict that list nixon crime relev violat oath offic abus presidenti power person gain for monetari advantag don disput that violat oath offic and abus power that not for person gain noth inevit mistak time garrett johnson clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	not concentr child molest articl avt hilbert cypr rain joec hilbert cypr rain joe cipal write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write monogam homosexu male sex rare that for practic purpos homosexu spread aid clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not you fuck homophob moron drug us taint blood multi sexual partner you knew spread aid back and read wrote statement homosexu spread aid not made fals fact that method spread you talk you danger you persist boil skin human that lanc joe cipal typic homosexu respons clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl apr hemlock crai rja mahogani crai russ anderson write articl apr new brandei edu pip brandei edu blort eeeep hwaaah write surpris articl thi subject inprov survei that roughli men gai front page york time recent thur april headlin effect survei find men gai differ men gai and men survei gai time that closet survei survei show suppos survei poor assumpt atyp popul year ago societi repress homosexu yeah russ anderson disclaim statement and not reflect clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa heard explan fbi tear ga mph wind doesn vry good tactic explan lew lew glenden rlglend netcom perspect worth point niel bohr that
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag seh network ucsd edu jschell sdcc ucsd edu rowl captain write find interest that you will million queer march washington largest figur press million and liber press number for anoth thing million million not that you million number number cite actual report that million for thi march washington media inflat number thi time last time for pro abort ralli doubl actual number peopl show that and stori come press slant new make watch watcher you plai pathet number game number peopl show mow constitut entir queer populac doubt that constitut hand queer and won simpli don time transport hell make you particip mow embodi minimum number face peopl you number constantli grow not diminish your children will grow join hell children grow join deal thi phenomenon not fear and blind realiz that you noth fear not pervert not danger and human you you idiot cramer and kaldi can rant won iota good drewcif can fact that peopl that queer show mow and that number meaning and come countri tree andrew simchik schnopia uhura rochest edu treewat word weren made for coward happi rhode
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl dscomsa desi hallam zeu desi write conveni ignor murder batf agent branch davidian unprovok ambush tripe delet phill you convinc net that you fact abject moron for reason repeat rubbish and make fact backwat you post doesn wash save michael lodman depart comput scienc engin univers california san diego jlodman ucsd edu gun outlaw govern outlaw will gun
talk.politics.misc	rodnei king marin gai bash articl ncratl atlantaga ncr mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr mark wilson write apr bsu uc cmmiller leo bsuvc bsu edu write didn charg cop peopl beat guess each want candac miller thi you you not start video vido start king ly ground surround cop beat king get and charg offic powel fall back offic pull nightstick and strike king blow appear land shoulder head
talk.politics.misc	drug legal good neighbor dave shea do major panix wrote wdstarr athena mit edu william decemb starr write legal and stick drug ga station bought cigarett plain silli never heard recommend dosag for drug crack ecstasi chrystal meth and lsd minut report work cocain cigarett pot and heroin govern adopt radic and unamerican idea that citizen free live live and simpli decrimin cocain marijuana heroin lsd etc explain idea allow recreat drug bought cigarett plain silli work fine for nicotin favor drug legal problem hope that peopl dispos simpli overdos quickli and make mess thisg quit simpl sell drug us licens ag cost and you requir attend week night class effect drug human bodi end class you sign inform consent waiver acknowledg that you told that drug bad for you you want you giver state paid medic care for happen you result drug collect welfar unemploy you lose your job result drug you give your drive car caught drug licens choic pai fine and accept backdat drug user licens prison ken mitchel power not deleg unit state kmitchel netcom constitut prohibit state citru height reserv state peopl
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr articl apr rigel tamu edu gmw rigel tamu edu grinch write like place import state issu whether state incom tax legal popular vice for fund rais and vice won decis victori jsh grinch that safe dead expect david koresh becom hero popular folk ballad and atf gener equat santa anna dead david koresh local john paul morrison univers british columbia canada hei hei electr engin tax spend liber jmorriso ubc jpm
talk.politics.misc	comment clinton reno batf and waco input amstex documentstyl amsppt pagewidth magnif pageheight titl letter editor endtitl author matthew fant endauthor date april enddat endtopmatt letter fbi david koresh you want pull back heaven and show you anger fear dai standoff feder agent and branch davidian end april appear mass suicid fire that multi million dollar standoff thing remain clean mess and assign blame onset april tear ga attack feder agent presid clinton start pass buck talk attornei gener fbi knew decis made tactic decis enter attornei gener janet reno branch davidian di reno full respons for decis approv plan ad that not advis clinton detail fact told clinton that fire roar branch davidian compound clinton that deepli saden loss life and breath that law enforc agenc involv waco sieg recommend action pursu todai stand that reno decis thi begin februari agent bureau alcohol tobacco and firearm batf launch full scale high profil assault branch davidian compound thi raid assault group suspect possess illeg weapon assault plan media circu us propaganda devic batf show and purpos onset knock raid gaggl heavili arm batf agent made insid compound identifi state that had warrant long shoot began silent agent made compound build and start search charg build and throw concuss grenad and order cult member come build unknown person dress black ninja costum and combat fatigu attack you throw grenad and brandish firearm you not assum that peopl crimin and attempt defend tactic emploi batf provok battl initi assualt batf not success live lost side had assault success liber media prais batf show footag batf agent cart bunch gun wield religi nut violat cult right overlook and media proclaim america fortun super cop organ batf that can systemat terrorist group such branch davidian can batf and fbi drop ball philadelphia move crisi left dead homeless and citi block raze appear that batf adopt shoot tactic knock raid execut search warrant don batf convinc you that knock raid justifi knock assault make sens for drug that can easili hidden dispos second batf for illeg weapon not drug that hidden flush toilet matter second happen thi polic you surround thi polici knock raid feder and local agenc restrict us militari firepow presum innoc citizen scari idea and davidian justifi lethal forc ensur that fourth ammend right peopl secur person hous paper and effect unreason search and seizur not deni noindent matthew fant newlin end matthew fant mlf lehigh edu for good prime call webster street public kei bethlehem request
talk.politics.misc	can wai new enemi new support articl optilink walsh optilink mark walsh write articl qvampinnmhf darkstar ucsc edu stephen orchid ucsc edu you comdemn nation media turn and us support posit you present somewhat contradictori doesn that thi not contradictori basi that qualiti media report vari greatli base subject hand media proven accur area present raw undisput data good exampl weather page high and low temperatur previou dai for larg number locat post evid show that error thi true speak physic data sens pure scienc speak data that revolv social scienc care american media fail analysi complex event that can come new stori that left angri fact ommit case that come mind invas panama war iraq disast waco issu surround accept gai into militari war drug and quit agre case new event that polit social scienc inform sociolog etc and reflect group that report you point difficult report that temperatur degre degre and peopl you stori that you bring light sex survei that due lazy data ommit articl ventur guess that data that present not deviat survei that folli blind faith singl newswrit analysi thi data thi case analysi and reader left draw convict and survei present cramer call median us thi make that male had sex partner and male had sex partner homosexu purport make thi case major peopl sex partner heterosexu feel that median not intend word usag evid support cramer claim gai promiscu hetero promiscu netter cramer includ forget that american media number busi purpos life make monei for owner and stockhold revenu come larg advertis want maximum exposur per dollar media fast food qualiti food report will improv custom demand such busi usual good thi point that bring and network new program will show you true new media busi and such becom skew loyalti lie statement man and cannot rememb statment exactli warn merger busi and new report obviou consequ master new serv end advertis and bia new group
talk.politics.misc	drug and crime approach drug legal wdstarr athena mit edu william decemb starr write articl apr msuvx memst edu kebarn msuvx memst edu for creat class noncommerci drug includ illeg legal possess grow produc not sell bomb pusher back barter ag and tax product wrong act sell recreat drug even for mercenari reason get rich note sell mean sell product consent adult mutual agreeabl price point thi effort pre emptiv prevent thi thread get sidetrack flamefest push drug schoolchildren and user subject special taxat william decemb starr note thi repost earlier respons starr not properli format apolog explain posit war drug offer thi drug and crime approach ken barn that trade illeg drug respons for crime afflict nation peopl want drug peopl predispos addict will find whether not legal despit current law enforc effort drug readili want addict drug legal and illeg respons for signific drain product resourc countri and thi occur varieti wai cocain addict babi unabl learn spread diseas addict tragic consequ alcohol abus and tobacco smoke gener econom principl govern that subsid you and tax you effect confront nation drug problem found util addit power govern make drug deal and drug us attract thi countri current effort combat legal drug succeed respect greater awar health consequ smoke and design driver program help reduc drunk drive for exampl cannot for war illeg drug remain core group illeg drug user support intern network smuggler pusher grower processor kingpin and gangster network and market activ includ drive shoot corrupt law enforc author and smuggl weapon directli indirectli respons for larg proport crime commit countri dai illeg drug and rise crime link take moment reflect recogn link link monei thi countri fail effort prohibit alcohol consumpt black market creat greedi local monopoli gangster bygon era profit enorm illeg trade victim thi trade includ not innoc peopl unfortun caught crossfir argu drug user not for black market and violent monopoli drug lord drug user not thiev robber prostitut and murder becom order pai high price drug lord demand absenc drug lord simpli peopl problem moral problem medic problem not crimin problem clear not advoc that crimin prei societi for year prohibit hook contrari approach advoc not result govern privat industri get into busi promot crack cocain present illeg drug for that matter approach see law abid citizen hand and freedom and privaci effort track illeg drug user land free and home brave polic state propos possess and us present illeg drug decrimin bui and sell remain illeg pothead can grow marijuana todai drug user can legal import poison choic long pai tariff and barter economi drug experiment develop barter economi suppli drug user black market profit that enrich drug lord dwindl drug can obtain for free noth bui nevertheless will will seek sell noncommerci drug even rel low price law enforc activ concentr individu continu bui and sell and crime commit drug user poor afford even low price strategi begin differenti drug dealer victim and drug user victim arrest for crime suspect permit choos whether not will undergo drug test choos cooper inform that convict for crime accus found drug user will institution clean and will begin serv sentenc choos cooper and drug free can begin serv sentenc choos not undergo drug test and convict face stiffer fine and serv longer sentenc institution drug crimin serv purpos drug crimin and thi includ drunk and stone driver separ sourc suppli reduc total number drug user societi larg and decreas demand for drug street put remain drug dealer busi institution incent for drug crimin straighten part gener prison popul help protect societi crime institution serv deter drug user crimin sinc drug crimin unlik crimin delai prior serv sentenc addit time take for sober institution drug crimin separ gener prison popul provid close monitor pool addict volunt for research studi techniqu and treatment for addict diseas potenti benefit and dealer illeg drug gener not drug user and thi true drug boss kingpin run larg illicit organ thi propos dealer readili identifi sinc arrest pass drug test declin order avoid explain possess drug appar not us declin test face stiffer penalti each case attempt sale noncommerci drug stand merit outcom suspect drug test provid addit evid for prosecut cigarett tax contribut declin smoke countri make cigarett costli time provid revenu for anti smoke campaign noncommerci drug tax and monei gener us combat us enforc thi tax voluntari basi and not us excus infring right and privaci noncommerci drug user sinc effect reintroduc prohibit drug user will encourag pai tax remind that untax drug found possess routin polic oper will requir pai tax immedi forfeit untax drug destroi drug dealer found sell noncommerci drug tax not paid will face addit prosecut for evad tax strategi ad tax evas drug deal charg us jurisdict effect limit illeg drug possess revenu drug possess tax and import tariff us fund anti drug advertis campaign and provid support privat sector drug treatment program for unabl afford treatment taxpay subsidi drug produc end feder support tobacco farm immor and wast thi era tight budget and marijuana crop grown illicitli feder land state likewis elimin propos effect permit us illeg drug hold user drug respons for action and reduc harm drug societi crime caus illeg drug trade long remain free nation rel porou border and freedom for citizen travel will drug problem whether take form heroin addict dy abandon build drunk driver kill and maim street emphysema patient struggl for breath lifetim smoke result needless suffer and death societi recogn that societi permit harm ourselv drug drug law stand harm that drug and drug user oppos viciou and violent cartel prei weak drug user take profit deadli trade propos long shut power crimin organ question whether drug us moral medic problem depend group drug user you talk drug effect and addict addict drug vari individu and peopl can drink alcohol moder find cannot resist bottl nicotin surgeon gener everett koop declar addict heroin legal drug harm effect and peopl can stop smoke willpow alon continu smoke even treatment for lung cancer for individu can stop take drug argu that chosen us thi repres moral failur part unwilling face difficulti life for addict chosen us drug time time discov addict late cannot hold respons for diseas blame drown for inabl swim perhap not water perhap warn danger present circumst warn will not for drug dealer shore toss weight standard disclaim dna ken barn lifesci bldg conserv libertarian kebarn memstvx memst edu for pro balanc memphi compuserv find televis educ time turn set into room and read book groucho marx
talk.politics.misc	myth nation health insur articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write pxgt ubvmsb buffalo edu daniel case write april globe and mail letter director trauma servic michael hospit toronto respond articl studi compar heart surgeri california and canada canadian doctor worri that that studi nejm note that frequenc heart surgeri patient seventi increas incom california guess richer peopl heart diseas california frequenc surgeri patient seventi canada rel uniform across incom distribut heart surgeri frequent california mortal and outcom essenti american analyst seiz result proof that canada ration vital servic doctor can recal name that canada ration vital servic physician can plainli that system peopl refus treatment can afford system peopl refus treatment govern can afford result deliber underfund health insur plan fair that and canadian system situat ndp clean tori spend mess and thought understood canadian polit group doctor calgari open canada style mri clinic altern provinci own time rag doctor friend don invest privat practic end monei choos spend america cup pipedream and that busi for provinci own for law canada for govern directli involv provis health care militari nativ reser vation that term mean that facil get public grant meet shortfal lack us kid medic practic conserv north friend two clerkship mayo clinic rochest and stranger high tech medicin boat come peopl express concern that wedg two tier health care and that violat canada health act socialist whiner offend that privat practic and can cash not facil canadian big govern mental imagin govern not even exist potenti problem privat mri facilti calgari referr problem facil for doctor financi interest basic uneth canada small popul like privat facil involv small number doctor and don referr problem epidem hand stop clinic plan mri stop bought stop ado noth good that hockei playoff start experi that will watch carefulli unjustifi anecdot told head partnership demonstr mri show imag injur knee happen belong manag bank approv loan that gui had wait month provinci mri anoth length time for treatment muscl atrophi and rehabilit that harder that isn whiff two tier don exagger gao studi canada cite usenet not find access mri problem bet doctor reli peopl listen american trash talk cabl that can puff chest bit treatment regimen for knee injuri reli mri had and not banker like happen sponsor privat mri includ doctor anticip that alberta mri and wait for health planner realiz need anoth two busi opportun secur busi public insur side thing and supplement peopl and busi want pai cash gerald
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag piatt gdc gari piatt write clayton cramer cramer optilink wrote you and rest homosexu commun pass law impos your moral code requir hire rent associ homosexu will you face homosexu stop impos moral will your face thi ahh good for goos not necessarili good for gander you don want homosexu impos moral code such diabol idea equal right you you will impos your moral code detect doubl standard exactli american constitut associ homosexu whether clayton like not member societi such particip and equal opportun pursu goal that clayton forc associ queerfolk privat life suspect gai question object proclaim gener not associ public sphere includ hous hire etc give associ prioriti right equal access opportun histor peopl can associ public dislik group ill effect cut group normal commerc sever impact live clayton exactli your associ public sphere prioriti homosexu right equal opportun toni quirk wellington zealand quirk kosmo wcc govt usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl murdoch acc virginia edu lfoard hopper virginia edu lawrenc foard write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl cyf murdoch acc virginia edu lfoard hopper virginia edu lawrenc foard write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write santa rosa cal press democrat april male sex survei gai activ low naton studi male sexual behavior thorough examin american men sexual practic publish sinc kinsei report decad ago show percent men survei had engag homosexu sex and percent consid exclus homosexu politician will plenti scare week will interest reaction million queer gather washington million thi event unprecid histori peopl will march aren homosexu member leftist agenda will queer vast major queer find interest that you will million queer march washington largest figur press million and liber press number for anoth thing million million not that you million number number cite actual report that million for thi march washington media inflat number thi time last time for pro abort ralli doubl actual number peopl show that and stori come press slant new make watch watcher bcnu jon schell life you can master sleep fran lebowitz ucsd edu that good and jhschell ucsd edu made chocol fortun jonschel aol boot head crazi claim opinion
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl apr nott eczcaw mip nott wainwright write articl codewk nacjack gen system codewk nacjack gen wayn mcdougal write hmmm statist can you offer refer studi higher proport homosexu prison gener popul don that for default you refer prison not normal situat haven that suggest that default proport lower gener popul plausibl can you provid refer thi arguement for simpli statement agreeanc disagre fact that homosexu prison not mean that homosexu immor and liabl commit crime and rememb that prison not necessarili reflect type peopl crimin statist for unsolv crime question and effect lock straight gui for year gui ten year had sex gui close your ey and pretend girl suck you count sex gui survei join pythagorean reform church repent your evil irrat number and bean eat wai accept into your heart call pythagorean reform church bb
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl apr new brandei edu pip brandei edu blort eeeep hwaaah write wouldn expect heterosexu men gai men promiscu simpli due larger group potenti partner thought matt you that gai men promiscu straight men show damag and screw gai men your start sound child ic cream you kick and scream you peopl will you proof vigor ascert doesn hold water can insist that cat dog dai doesn make join pythagorean reform church repent your evil irrat number and bean eat wai accept into your heart call pythagorean reform church bb
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl apr romulu rutger edu kaldi romulu rutger edu theodor kaldi write articl apr galileo rochest edu uhura rochest edu caifon write belong don count sweetheart can count inevit for part natur order thing wrong histori natur assert quit true and evolut made decid that homosexu had place disappear quit quickli anim not exhibit homosexu behavior human exist and will human race don arrog assum that thi foolish and misguid gener can chang natur man practic gener fail quit true year religi idioci not chang natur man you rid for year and fail join pythagorean reform church repent your evil irrat number and bean eat wai accept into your heart call pythagorean reform church bb
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag apr gmt theodor kaldi observ uhura rochest edu caifon write heard thankfulli you gender for not deviant bigot aren classifi deviant sad disparag you polit minor sexual deviant not compris polit minorit thi hear march washington assum you homosexu and bisexu subset sexual deviant and had shred respect door associ girl respect trust that respect women sort offens your us term girl sentenc michael adam starowl rahul net enterpris alabama listen expert you can and lazaru long robert heinlein
talk.politics.misc	can your med articl pyab wetwar drieux wetwar drieux drieux write articl hirama hiram edu and step articl sddinn senat bedfellow mit edu wdstarr athena mit edu william decemb starr write never knew that soldier suppos salut civilian for command chief cinc not civillian ding ding planet earth call will agre that cincpac and cinclant not civilian cinc presid and thing chang lot arriv billaryklintonkliqu don recal current presid got civilian statu member arm forc concern presid recent insist treat mere civilian move salut don pick you can pick paint hilari asleep time ciao drieux noth person jeff live countri head state civilian sorta limit habit militari choic for solv domest problem live countri head state not militari offic thi point not militari choic for solv domest problem didn branch davidian tank jeffrei medkeff bitnet medkeffj hiramb box internet medkeffj hiramb hiram edu hiram pale ebenez thought wrong fight roar bill kill thought
talk.politics.misc	janet reno kill waco children cleveland freenet edu broward horn write fact that disagre you offer resign and presid reject offer will respons and presid ball stand decis contempt ignor yup that quit contemptu presid make decis that disagre tim smith
talk.politics.misc	american sexual repress articl apr okstat edu kennej okstat edu kennedi jame scot write recent studi shown that number men engag homosexu activ last decad and number men exclus homosexu figur that earlier studi that show that homosexu men lot higher can deduc figur lot male homosexu us men perhap women not honest us sexual peopl that poll you mean men and women open homosexu todai want that thi survei assur anonymn answer question honestli suppos that gai feel repress and denigr societi that didn feel that forthcom sexual survei thi true that lot gai led perhap american open sexual american aren discov that quit peopl orient sex men and women includ ventur guess that lot peopl consid relationship sex point life didn long thi doesn make long valid american weren repress sexual gener lot peopl come closet you mean ignor studi studi that can continu accept studi kinsei that wrong for heterosexu and never consid sex anoth man that easili gai suppos big debat homosexu whether not type behavior that learn born that imho like explan that combin two base your warm fuzzi feel ponder you gai basher consid that homosexu deem sexual orient state affair that intrins and natur part life heterosexu sexual word alcohol share that feel hit bottom gai not live even date opposit sex marri heart homosexu likewis heterosexu form relationship sex heterosexu even outward appear suggest scott kennedi brewer and patriot problem that homosexu form mental disord caus childhood sexual abus number recent work suggest homosexu stop govern impos moral antidiscrimin law and leav children alon wouldn care privat liber notion that proper role govern peac peopl live choic continu point that homosexu not altern lifestyl sick david koresh cheap thug interpret bibl barrel gun atf spokesman atf cheap thug interpret constitut barrel gun good signatur clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl apr nwnexu elf halcyon elf sternberg write articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu rscharfi magnu ac ohio state edu ryan scharfi write bet you gai men not promiscu gai men option live straight life and social pressur geez you ryan propos thi theori month ago step even survei show men had homosexu encount cite survei bogu kinsei studi even larger percentag peopl had homosexu erot fantasi popul gai can peopl don identifi gai demonstr gai potenti larg chunk peopl chose accur forc choos forc religion and social sanction put feel heterosexu cramer and kaldi fall into thi categori can speak for kaldi forc religion and social sanction plai part sexual prefer had influenc teenag elf halcyon elf sternberg clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl qpaujinnecq lynx unm edu bevan carina unm edu mathemagician write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write naton studi male sexual behavior thorough examin american men sexual practic publish sinc kinsei report decad ago bat thi inform flaw throrough master johnson put report past year kinsei institut quit activ sinc found year ago recent put report sexual quot new stori idea claim thi examin show percent men survei had engag homosexu sex and percent consid exclus homosexu hate picki math citi york citi and lo angel alon can find approxim million gai peopl make million gai men even san francisco dept public health estim that male popul gai you claim that million peopl nyc and area that gai sourc your number mind that attempt cdc determin homosexu percentag american citi number american male popul million thi studi that gai male live york citi lo angel and half million peopl ly gai smell funni your million number smell funni brian evan bad mood bad mood bad mood clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	onc into breach articl pdb kilimanjaro jpl nasa gov pdb ipl jpl nasa gov paul bartholomew write cramer wait for your respons request inform you claim respectfulli request that you provid inform withdraw assert you make below item number previou post you state that you had found overwhelm support for child molest soc motss you final respond thi read your complet file post soc motss and put bluntli not support your assert short thi claim bogu you for confirm thi post defens adult sex children and you choos claim that don sort point discuss thi you liar moral sort prepar justifi child molest clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	employ not concentr child molest articl apr tijc pj tijc paul schmidt write sy exnet xavier gallagh write thi prove not object properti ownership properti ownership limit individu person famili not acr surviv acr and argu that properti ti and cut peopl form basic level subsist that properti owner bribe rest respect ownership right provid altern mean subsist expect give peoperti owner let call thiev bribe order subsist sick situat properti owner parasit want peopl live happi and prosper live properti owner cannot maintain monopoli free enterpris system coerciv govern land owner togeth and control land sell land price will point will advantag land owner sell properti put group peopl distribut land fairli give monopoli control land and consequ you speak land grasp monopoli and exist free market hand monopoli rich capit land govern land save for poster and eco system govern function remain land own smaller percentag peopl game capit almost won game declar and will matter into hand and redistribut fairli enslav return for place live central california fewer properti and that twice twenti year ago rent high that you pai your incom for rent you mcjob you can afford room that minimum wage worker homeless you degre technic field and work midst unemploy high tech job you will never us car you choos child and you afford job save and not consum you cloth us food poor movi entertain ect for year and you save you can togeth that and that ignor your kid and work two job you can bui home arkansa missouri outright and live flood year that exagger you pai close attent flood line peopl hous and find sturdi hill you can bui bui rowboat missouri not bad you sensat sleep sweatbox summer and your car freez solid winter put heater into dipstick hole warm start ether shit kill rich and redistribut livabl properti kill rsw want peopl work and gain basic subsist and workabl system for you suggest for improv can coexist thi world and will give peopl happi meaning live each individu can reach highest potenti you ask for forc redistribut land system imagin will lead unfairn pollut popul and land mismanag you such system describ specif sinc imagin cannot comprehend such system specif that interest land assign born happen land die can pass children can sell land can leaas land government restrict will put land us will administ such system will cost administ such system that thi alot and will understand you not time answer question will understand you propos you can answer quesiton paul schmidt advoc for govern davi crockett chapter presid land simpli grant peopl live extra for futur you stai you pai rent land that support becom properti state farmer plant crop that peopl demand and abil and soil qualiti you want grow sourgum you and you aren good job anoth farmer grow sorghum and you grow peopl die land entitl us into public hold can sell land can trade place can leas land govern will local distribut us land not us for resid resid that insuffici famili live can trade public for larger hous and yard and avail local land council vow live land till death avoid profit ti will decid fair subject review state and feder land council will cost fuck thing cost fuck ass rent deep dark hole owner can submit request for larger hous land start busi depend valid busi plan and commun heavi equip subject seizur for public good need heavi equip oper encourag and maintain machin and oper reason salari servic commun compani machin divid equip oper and rest valid oper basi cost upkeep charg guild heavi machin oper recogn for safeti and train sake council subcouncil commun council etc etc etc isn hard system you realiz that system not sacrosanct fact rig game that steal you blind and unfair system trick realiz that rich make rule your back and that time kick merri round tax rich death that convert your school lunch program into joke todai cut educ rais rent you rais not dislodg kill for abus troubl justifi death penalti for poor kid kill and didn not troubl justifi death penalti for rich steal countless human live feed greed you paid rent your life you enslav percentag wise your life us serf call renter and enslav claim land don us and make pai for noth rent california bui apart hous paynth tax and insur and left travel book landlord pai and pai forc bui build and will end noth had live thi planet and child will monei likewis enslav child hope find die can make thing happier form destroi life destroi mine and can landlord and heir that worth die can that poor man dream sleep tight bastard landlord you don troubl you bui you sleep heir monei your mattress rsw richard steven walz rstevew deeptht armori mapl street safe and free abort women santa cruz organ surrog unwant parasit real men never accept organ slaveri and will protect women
talk.politics.misc	not concentr child molest articl esj murdoch acc virginia edu gsh fermi cla virginia edu greg hennessi articl optilink walsh optilink mark walsh write big differ run busi affair and activ rip peopl and charg homosexu becuas peopl that aid gai diseas activ rip peopl thought that insur compani hire actuari staff determin risk correl group peopl and that gai like aid sexual orient wrong thi correl correct auto insur compani charg wazoo young male high perform car thought that thi base nhtsa and statist data bigotri and hatr for young men fast car proper govern intervent forc insur compani pretend that young men fast car mark walsh walsh optilink uunet optilink walsh amateur radio aol bigcooki aol uscf worri william gain gonna crush you andr giant
talk.politics.misc	not concentr child molest articl exnet sy exnet xavier gallagh write obviou point make straight men fuck rabbit oppertun present reckon man wildli promiscu present huge varieti will partner true and gai straight for sexual prefer imagin that gai sex straight pool for date tenth for straight correct flame mark walsh walsh optilink uunet optilink walsh amateur radio aol bigcooki aol uscf worri william gain gonna crush you andr giant
talk.politics.misc	vietnam deja waco whacko bar caus rememb offici explan vietnam war liber version inciner children order save clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	kinsei fake and pervert articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl apr nwnexu elf halcyon elf sternberg write geez you ryan propos thi theori month ago step even survei show men had homosexu encount cite survei bogu kinsei studi grant pomeroi bell weinberg nation institut mental health paper pattern adjus deviant popul cite part nation institut mental health task forc homosexu pomeri conclud kinsei statist higher realist estim realist figur and bought lot bell weinberg thi weekend can you janu report sexual behavior samuel janu and cynthia janu john wilei son pub tabl you had homosexu experi men women tabl you had homosexu contact men women onc occasion frequent ongo activ thi number consist kinsei pomeri gebard bell weinberg and rice find that male popul activ homosexu breakdown bell wienberg exclus and identifi bisexu for debunk kinsei articl import lesson for read kinsei fake and pervert philip nobil grassi knoll sexolog cult prochast research claim that late alfr kinsei secret sex crimin hoosier mengel bent number bisexu and bizarr grand conspiraci queer nation and usher era free sex kid rile critic kinsei towerin cultur influenc bestsel survei sexual behavior human male and sexual behavior human femal tore sheet countri erogen zone and undermin midcenturi moral chart and graph base detail histori men and women demonstr that practic gener consid rare and abnorm masturb extramarit relat homosexu and even barnyard bestial american strawberri shortcak for hard core heterosexu supremacist aid and abet pat buchanan and religi zoologi professor indiana univers remain evil geniu sex revolut and target for charact assassin judith reisman prosecut expert wit mapplethorp trial cincinnati leader anti kinsei revisionist inspector javert radio interview pat buchanan washington reisman accus kinsei inolv viciou genit tortur hundr children specul that kidnap and drug ghetto boi order carri clandestin orgasm test year reisman reviv charg book titl kinsei sex and fraud releas small and religi orient huntington hous lafayett louisiana coauthor eichel manhattan psychotherapist invent style intromiss coital align techniqu that supposedli trigger simultan orgasm consider regular and therebi increas compatibilti sex book eichel contend that kinsei deliber cook gai stat oddbal want advanc denorm heterosexu author world famou kinsei report introduct boldli assert egregi exampl scientif decept thi centuri and wrong kinsei sex and fraud shame smear despit stellar credenti kinsei detractor legend not us martin luther king commit plagiar bruno bettelheim slap young mental patient father bruce ritter founder coven hous prei runawai boi closer kinsei master and johnson disgrac for fake anoth not surpris that kinsei film strang peopl sex attic had skeleton closet problem that reisman not intellectu prowess pull job thinker woman madam curi year songwrit for captain kangaroo profession stand current univers posit and peer review 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women inevit rais object eventu eichel exchang philosoph fluid reisman and thi union kinsei sex and fraud born eichel main contribut book discoveri and analysi kinsei conspiraci that supposedli seek establish bisexu balanc sexual orient for normal uninhibit peopl destroi tradit famili structur and normal sexual behavior open for second and difficult step ultim goal cross gener sex sex children press for specif refer back outrag content weakli you don kinsei come and that basic bisexu and sex kid thi implicit kinsei report meanwhil eichel demand congression investig kinsei and data perfect that countri hous american sexual activ committe bed and ask peopl everbeen reader sympath god forbid subject alfr kinsei elf elf halcyon elf sternberg purpos write inflat weak idea obscur pure reason and inhibit clariti pratic write can intimid and impenetr fog bill watterson calvin
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talk.politics.misc	janet reno kill waco children articl templ edu templ edu richard hoen write such hostag situat place numer occas result polic place forc and result death hostag and gunmen thi time heard blame land squar polic thi countri polici not negoti back terrorist and hostag taker sinc that encourag terrorist and hostag taker richard that peopl risk and that die hostag situat consid accept scenario storm compound di save for peopl includ twenti children outcom consid failur failur due unforse circumst incompet neglig doubl talk and multipl stori new come fbi and reno find honest mistak hard swallow hope stori straight for second round question joseph stiehm
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inform plan end sieg discuss attornei gener reno ask question thought for told thought and full respons for implement decis yesterdai action end horribl human tragedi koresh respons demand for surrend feder agent destroi and murder children captiv peopl not surviv kill control and bear ultim respons for carnag that ensu review past ey futur direct unit state depart justic and treasuri undertak vigor and thorough investig uncov happen and and whether differ told depart involv independ profession law enforc offici investig expect receiv analysi and answer time requir complet review final direct depart cooper fulli congression inquiri that can continu fulli account american peopl want express appreci attornei gener justic depart and feder agent front line job deepli difficult circumst want yesterdai for loss life occur begin and end thi tragedi waco hope that will tempt join cult and becom involv peopl david koresh will deter horribl scene last week and hope that difficult situat feder agent confront and will doubtless requir confront context futur will somewhat handl and understood learn presid can you dai you decid presid can you describ for that janet reno outlin you your minut phone convers presid can hear you will and can you describ janet reno presid presid answer your question can onc can you describ told you sundai natur oper and detail you knew presid told attornei gener that fbi strongli felt that time had come anoth step dislodg peopl compound and describ gener oper that want and us tear ga had test not perman damag adult children make difficult for peopl stai insid build and hope that tear ga permit come told that circumst peopl fire shot even fire shoot tear ga armor vehicl protect and exchang fire fact you aw lot shot fire cult member feder offici shot come back govern side ask number question question ask wait week reason number that limit long feder author maintain limit resourc qualiti and intens coverag expert need part countri number two that peopl 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can you address widespread percept report wide televis radio and newspap that you distanc thi disast presid bewild reason made public statement yesterdai reason made public statement yesterdai that had noth add and liter not late dai whether aliv had and hospit into custodi pure and simpli question wait for event unfold can account for peopl specul talk attornei gener dai action place talk yesterdai call late last night appear larri king show and talk thi morn presid not for presid distanc thing that happen feder govern control will thi frankli surpris mild word that that suggest that attornei gener resign religi fanat murder applaus regret happen not thi life control behavior circumst peopl kill feder offici line duti heavili arm fire feder offici yesterdai repeatedli and never fire back avoid loss life made decis immol and regret terribl and feel aw children end last comment had janet reno and talk sundai want you onc you not you move wait and children evid that children abus and 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presid you janet reno decis isn end your decis presid that didn hour detail brief fbi didn strateg part decis for respons presid unit state and sign gener decis and give author make last call talk sundai time had elaps made decis chang mind you decid forward thi tomorrow will support you and support not ultim respons american peopl conduct duti fashion and dealt thi situat you applaus end edt
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talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl apr romulu rutger edu kaldi romulu rutger edu theodor kaldi write articl apr galileo rochest edu uhura rochest edu caifon write hope you don sir suppos signifi prefer companionship person not euphem heard thankfulli you gender for not deviant wow anoth clayton wannab typic respons lack logic defin deviant deviat normal defin normal erm umm you defin normal for you prove that you limit bring question limit for you broaden intoler normal difficult prove you post follow that normal you mean compass and sens justic you clayton school logic doesn disparag you polit minor sexual deviant not compris polit minorit astound lack logic wow you defin you such that agre you us phrase sexual deviant hell you defin that sexual that you don thi definit you mean major planet you that your door neighbour doesn custard spread genetalia lick wife thi sexual devianc that you don sexual find repuls sex doggi fashion sexual devianc specif and you back your claim hospit due laugh and clayton post secondli assum for moment that phrase sexual deviant mean such peopl homosexu bisexu basic you don that your phrase not compris polit minorit bracket sequiteur gai group exist lobbi govern that fact prove fals politi group you state that not polit minor polit major you boob big thi think your argument and had shred respect door associ girl respect find sort inclin head door account view aberr behavior homosexu encourag and advis not door whack backsid such airhead prove statement date phone number your logic fail you make statement you cannot and will not maintain you state that person girl thi context consid equal right for human airhead clayton your mate show screw you pretti will find retreat back into closet belong don count sweetheart can count inevit for part natur order thing histori natur assert don arrog assum that thi foolish and misguid gener can chang natur man practic gener fail greater men you haven thi will happen matter you pretend proof proof that homosexu not part natur order proof that natur assert you that natur concious you pretend that you abil futur you god fact your arguement you wait for black peopl becom slave revil sub human not view time your arguement fall ass not your sweetheart touchi touchi touchi shot hole each and your arguement you put your kill file you answer question and challeng sinc you cannot support your argument show that you write base your person prejudic and cannot fact kind await intellig respons view express theodor kaldi you kaldi remu rutger edu that major univers rutger remu rutger edu kaldi thi hold such view adda wainwright dim atal llanw eczcaw mip nott mae sig werth
talk.politics.misc	polic state usa articl rlglendec tbuf netcom rlglend netcom robert lewi glenden write heard explan fbi tear ga mph wind tank drove wall into live room can stop think children insid hous room time peopl kill tiannamen squar event doesn vry good tactic explan lew lew glenden rlglend netcom perspect worth point niel bohr that disclaim opinion express mine not employ
talk.politics.misc	freedom associ articl pdb kilimanjaro jpl nasa gov pdb ipl jpl nasa gov paul bartholomew write put togeth post disagre kei point post excel engag discours discuss recent freedom associ cramer and ronzon absolutist posit thi that fundament human perhap fundament human and that supersed right such equal opportun feel that equal opportun outweigh freedom associ and never end debat that flare repeatedli freedom associ foa involv mutual and voluntari agreement two peopl equal opportun let call reo involv coercion case definit major problem that right explicitli declar protect constitut declar independ can deriv document thi mean that debat will never end side can conclu sive prove valid view becom sole matter person philosophi debat can end onc and for recognit right not total perfect end end that worldwid disagr that murder crime person opinion that real answer li regard right fundament human right unfortu nate come into direct conflict anoth stronger depend situat hmm even discus religion approach state state recogn religion amend absolutist you for exampl owner mom and pop store wish hire employe freedom associ outweigh right job applic equal opportun free hire whomev choos criteria choos govern intervent similarli famili wish rent bedroom home garag apart similar freedom associ outweigh right prospect tenant equal opportun hand ibm multi nation corpor employe publicli own and oper board director wish hire addit employe freedom associ protect board director employe owner stock thi case applic equal opportun outweigh freedom associ and societi can ibm us criteria relev specif task can mon pop foa ibm forc and forc correct word reo purchas ibm voluntari defin procedur ibm choos thing and choos thing not procedur work for employ polici similarli landlord own number apart build not live and manag independ manag agenc freedom associ protect owner not live build and contact tenant prospect tenant equal opportun outweigh freedom associ and societi can owner us criteria relev good tenant put good quotat mark don want drawn into side issu constitut good tenant thi tenant option won call destroi foa landlord landlord and tenant can agre can ceas each properti suddenli arm wave magic landlord not foa and basi foa landlord disappear that vagu term contact tenant suffic foa import rightt top and golli state make suffer heinou crime that justifi remov thi don contact tenat even crime that sever interfer import right suspect that major peopl thi countri agre posit extrem case present thi manner don ronzon cramer agre suspect not case addit problem aris appli guidelin for middl ground compani employe draw line protect freedom associ and protect equal opportun right not defin major mob choic foa absolut reo fanci name for thuggeri for racism and coercion difficulti that line draw will necess artifici and legisl result will flaw past govern pass law refer number employe hire compani compani xxx employe affect law fewer unaffect you dimli that line artifiaci foa state religion you can jsutifi that gener that not regul affect right freedom associ will stronger hand regul protect equal opportun weaken freedom associ don satisfactori solut will solut that us publicli own privat own divid line compani remain privat own owner free want compani compani becom publicli own public compani submit addit regul assum that you publicli own you talk quasi state compani that not sharehold compani fortun for exampl privat own can give you list owner anonym unknown owner analysi base assumpt that freedom associ and equal opportun fundament human right equal import sinc thi matter faith not subject proof not choos even establish thi you accept you don comment foa can deriv two ration peopl basi that evil malici murder intent short agreement mutual not your reo hand live accept coercion gun into situat and that destruct argument base make sort live whip gun and shoot you dead end argument peopl that love canal kind environment disast weird opinion mine and you can rent cheap
talk.politics.misc	myth nation health insur pxgt ubvmsb buffalo edu daniel case write gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write you not bui insur coerc into insur plan option option for doctor accept isol relig commun that for exempt and mail christian scientist edmonton verifi for that neg option guess that you can argu that insur not come across that north and pain tab new home option you don want basic coverag govern term you that you opt you basic uninsur two thing work public insur wide will cover amort univers privat plan can boast plan that fit gaussian curv and privat sector discov not offer insur coverag that custom us and that turn privat insur offer frill into effect cartel don compet you put win win situat and guarante turn profit had orgasm figur that and sister yuppi pat back point ungraci chamber commerc luncheon sens stop capitalist don worri compet anymor you that total effect social medicin govern provid basic and cartel provid extra altern system desir not altern system system patient opt doctor opt that for insur and you can forc privat insur compani sell you plan that will not offer and rememb that actual health care deliv privat entiti collect public insur voluntarili can forc privat entiti spring life pai matter cultur and valu basic anti tax and anti govern canadian standard can bring make argument you despit that understand you come north you like find protest tax defenc health insur premium fund for basic coverag interest side note insur compani start scratch sinc medicar standard canada doubt that emerg sinc scratch that western canada and quit quebec part post quebec miracl nation french capit group de cooper ant built tower eaton store le terrac and you catch urban angel cb crimetim you lit doubl turret top for ontario domin and anchor busi north meant compani not build primarili quebec and alberta musta lost you that verbos blurb not insur you don altern you realiz that societi that that not nation defenc you can hire your rambo squad even opt pacifist true comfort system basic care provid govern option not mandatori canada and germani not mandatori neg option that you request exempt that privat sector will not provid privat basic coverag offer option quebec case tell transient situat hard deal sinc privat medic care resourc place slower rate abil peopl fall sick esp light disast chernobyl bad luck sudden wave heart diseas doctor year train internship and specialti train anoth problem system that resolv doesn canada ten time proport gp specialist that part reason that market small sustain specialist sometim not even you pretti paid and you train doctor monopoli block your get licenc busi and cannot fill appoint book that cma doctor monopoli that american ama orient medic lobbi never tell you problem specialti your skill directli correl your pai good cardiologist make adequ cardiologist gener practic that circumst hard blame peopl for into specialti respect peopl specialti friend question small market dynam north that privat doctor and hospit sell servic american gener busi will inflat effect popul serv and make specialti final viabl will custom not sick canadian absolut number person approach germani compani compet for batch peopl rochest east almost popul cover that germani basic method sick fund competit fake exist interlink der spiegel stern girlfriend german depart and uncl privat practicion saarbrucken ad for health insur canada organ provinc germani organ paperwork big corpor and region offic rememb that provinc that popul major german corpor german public health insur that broker smaller entiti brokerag basic privat firm sell extra insur fill polici sort voucher system idea float canada rememb german don hmo tell sign co rochest and compani town washington post articl recent that that canadian doctor us myelogram mri requir spinal inject and can seizur and headach mickei kau republ spoke for american that peopl gener can easili high tech treatment even can afford canadian jump verifi that claim come learn suspect american press system true you for idiot for toler and that insur instal period liber and tori govern feder and provinci and socialist chafe press for real social medicin fix thing metric make comparison for keep jones for confirm that gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
talk.politics.misc	cu health compar harelb math cornel edu misc activ progress moder subject cu health compar children elderli poverti cu health compar children elderli poverti percentag children and elderli live poverti children elderli countri poverti poverti unit state canada australia unit kingdom franc netherland germani sweden sourc timothi smeed poverti and incom secur polici cross nation perspect octob luxembourg octob luxembourg incom studi work paper western industri nation western industri countri nation health insur plan provid univers coverag australia sweden canada unit kingdom denmark austria finland franc ireland switzerland itali spain japan belgium zealand germani netherland norwai western industri countri not nation health insur plan provid univers coverag unit state page number america stand and fall world order andrew shapiro york vintag book divis random hous paperback isbn transcrib jhwoodar joe woodard america land privat greed and public squalor thi book indispens road map wreckag fact reveal will startl you depress you ideal fire you rebuild thi nation robert reich author work nation
talk.politics.misc	cu health million america harelb math cornel edu misc activ progress moder subject cu health million american cover cu health million american cover percentag popul cover public health insur countri percent countri percent australia sweden canada unit kingdom denmark austria finland franc ireland switzerland itali spain japan belgium zealand germani netherland unit state norwai sourc organ for econom cooper and develop pari health data file nation center for heath statist advanc data june number percentag popul health insur main reason number percentag popul health insur that last percentag popul cover public health insur american qualifi for main type public health insur unit state medicar medicaid and veteran benefit don qualifi privat insur almost american million peopl live famili work adult insur and million insur for substanti period time last two year inadequ coverag mean that bankrupt major ill fact health care expert that percent popul privat longterm care insur virtual american impoverish prolong disabl ill addition percent elig for form public aid not receiv gap health care result directli fact that unit state major industri nation south africa nation health insur plan provid univers coverag control cost number america stand and fall world order andrew shapiro york vintag book divis random hous paperback isbn transcrib jhwoodar joe woodard america land privat greed and public squalor thi book indispens road map wreckag fact reveal will startl you depress you ideal fire you rebuild thi nation robert reich author work nation
talk.politics.misc	janet reno kill waco children articl templ edu richard hoen templ edu write such hostag situat place numer occas result polic place forc and result death hostag and gunmen thi time heard blame land squar polic thi countri polici not negoti back terrorist and hostag taker sinc that encourag terrorist and hostag taker not accur analog david koresh not bunch hostag and call batf ransom note you make sound batf show save children place interest new for youbatf absolut jurisdict child abus case that batf show davidian hostag fbi show negoti hostag releas unabl batf kill rest poor peopl trap insid compound steve martin steve martin msmgate mrg uswest strongest reason for peopl retain and bear arm last resort protect tyranni govern thoma jefferson
talk.politics.misc	qualiti time act plai fluffi fantasi squelch dear elf post thi shit belong you that you overween weeni biter
talk.politics.misc	trincol journal interact macintosh magizin opinion announc trincol journal triniti colleg paperless public trincol journal interact magizin written hypercard thi public offer wide varieti inform triniti campu and greater hartford area addit journal uniqu forum for opinion and express invit internet commun particip creation thi public submit articl art work event for greater hartford area and that you interest journal each week articl written long written interest mirror newslett and inform not easili access intens macintosh user weekli deadlin for submit materi wendsdai eastern standard time send submiss journal mail trincol edu receiv journal each week send mail messag word subscrib journal subject line journal mail trincol edu includ full name and instituion bodi text find think subscrib todai
talk.politics.misc	journalist arrest waco articl wgmt apollo goykhman apollo red her write articl jason apr larc nasa gov jason austin austin larc nasa gov write articl calvin nyu edu hargitai acf nyu edu hargitai write for doubt thi uncensor wire two journalist houston arrest gun point and cuf and jail for take pictur compound todai releas bail camera and film confisc you work for cnn line stori and impli don you mean polic close area major crime scene evid disturb take pictur leav foot print drop trash ground and pick that interest and misdemeanor enter close area photograph quickli spun long len camera offic approach good shot that hopefulli depend countri noth countri you come area violent confront and gui spin quickli object that gun polic not train stand and gun indic that stori that wouldn camera and film back get jail onc gover agent had opportun check film you make statement that not support fact don paranoia you wait report don film back back develop scream conspiraci barri goldwat onc gover that big give you big you you life and freedom includ that not happen you govern not big give you despit effort peopl bill clinton take statement that and think name law enforc wrong simpl mind and ignor histori govern evil and decid allow base fact histori and not baseless claim jason austin austin larc nasa gov
talk.politics.misc	koresh dead time start heal want hypocrit hope not late watch local nation politician rick rick roi usenet rick howtek america onlin qed disclaim employ view orthogon earli bird worm
talk.politics.misc	myth nation health insur pxgt ubvmsd buffalo edu daniel case write gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write can forc privat entiti spring life pai govern sheer econom forc basic clear basic care market for test thi for dare person start scratch alberta and quebec health insur compani offer basic care crazi that almost mci start concept risk insur actuari and privat firm can kind amort that public pool can and sinc health insur get spent that doesn sit insur ceo and you situat rate catch mean govern monopoli market phenomenom and free market can solv even privat insur that and rememb last year quebec propos give riski part basic care privat sector and balk you and part your argument you don want provinci plan you basic creek cultur argu argu for nation defenc mean warlord true poll read sort simplemind stuff you init respond american canadian style health care canadian interest that canada popul million peopl canada satur american media pundit come cabl and talk aw health care suppos peopl experi north end not differ portrai american televis movi infrastructur insur make not insur problem and idea hmo lot british that don nh reason argu valid not kind peopl poll that you refer for canadian data annual juli poll conduct for maclean major english newsmagazin decima research decima presid allen gregg consid world top poll research and mulronei conserv reli power face imposs elect situat american poll harri poll and repost usenet time and will sorta suspici co american want univers coverag canada honestli doubt that american realiz that privat doctor and public and privat hospit similiar health care infrastructur and system basic pure insur hmo recent turnaround hiaa endors univers coverag and hostil corporatist hmo ama and complet silenc vi vi canada bash ama suspect that keep secret canada sleev exactli wouldn you idea manag competit aros direct threat stand alon privat practic ama fought hmo corporat socialist medicin part reason insur and hmo canada co that part deal cut cma read that biggest american hmo can compar straight smaller canadian provinc maritim and spend per patient american hmo can cream and cover smaller geograph area even smallest provinc geographi spread across countri each site compact and clientel cream and don forget that hmo place cap your coverag and won you addit procedur you despit that you will pai for gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write post result survei homosexu that show profoundli promiscu homosexu men urban area had access gai bathhous
talk.politics.misc	onc into breach articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl pdb kilimanjaro jpl nasa gov pdb ipl jpl nasa gov paul bartholomew write item number previou post you state that you had found overwhelm support for child molest soc motss you final respond thi read your complet file post soc motss and put bluntli not support your assert short thi claim bogu you for confirm thi post defens adult sex children and you choos claim that don sort point discuss thi you liar moral sort prepar justifi child molest clayton you idiot you plai usenet you claim you had post dozen soc motss poster that support child molest point that defend abolish modifi ag consent law attract don act desir for children thousand overwhelm major you never ceas amaz and you haven told relationship partner immor brian kane kane buast astro edu hot young star astronomi dept boston univers boston true person salvat achiev absolut faith true
talk.politics.misc	waco investig paranoia can peopl stop batf fbi complet respons cover that investig will show that koresch respons investig thi size fed state and civilian involv investig practial imposs cover and republican arlen spector call for investig thi isn handl kid glove richard
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag apr gmt clayton cramer observ alyoung kiwi uc indiana edu ami lynn young leith write can cramer spout homosexu address homosexu men and never post read address lesbian grant stop read post long long ago perhap miss women seldom molest children hunh yeah you that list thing that stereotyp american mom appl pie etc you don hear stori mom child molest such stori simpli unamerican that doesn that doesn happen michael starowl
talk.politics.misc	mow bodycount articl apr spdcc urso spdcc stephen chappel write articl world std bearpaw world std bearpaw write mow plan and hand sort wristband thingi and base count two problem thi can and two couldn possibl choos color design that won clash outfit and ad for wristband charg wristband wristband clear plastic multi colour rainbow thread label march washington your wristband number not march washington will will shell buck for piec plastic bought mine mow storefront not plastic woven materi you miss point not buck your pocket support march and help pai for print materail and scehdulk and organis and lead liter birth queer visibl thi countri thi point new coverag driven event thatb happen thi event happen direct action last mow thing guess that labor pain perhap will ignor case will come even largeer number time lst night queer and you place suspect thatb two dai that will becom exponenti larger mind thi physic bsute collect closet queer invis buck insignific lux owen owen rowlei onr netcom owen autodesk phoria state euphoria natur state enjoi and abund good fortun come for
talk.politics.misc	couldn care articl apr osuunx ucc okstat edu kennej okstat edu kennedi jame scot write articl apr msuvx memst edu mech msuvx memst edu write articl aej cmuvm bitnet aej cmuvm bitnet write quot rush radio show yesterdai refer recent event waco texa regrett that eighti odd peopl di walk door simpl turn knob plain stupid lai blame for thi anyon feet vernon fbi batf start fire six hour catch time incendiari devic you idiot not pick and toss window and thi argument whether wood burn stove us fact that citi seig citzen thereof eat can can hell had mre type grub for conscienc clear word smolder mean you minut can smolder cigarett butt couch set couch fire scenario ga grenad that fbi threw earlier caus materi drape carpet smolder for extend period time tank punch hole wall knock bd kerosen lantern kerosen spill thi smolder materi result fire that kill peopl insid anoth possibl and thi result fire that start room and torch entir place adjac room can escap don for smolder theori donavan catchi quot
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talk.politics.misc	waco burn apr turmoil halcyon tim crowlei tim nntp post host nwfocu tim goykhman apollo red her write articl templ edu templ edu richard hoen write heard that survivor that videotap show that fire start two place weren tank not tape cnn network you tim film cnn happend clear that tim tape that fire start locat tim tank attack and had pull back not tim spot fire start start tim locat and spread direct heavi wind tim fbi claim film start tim point thi hidden spread tim li guess respons for mass murder tim peopl exercis constitut right tim lie gosh tim you live broadcast smoke emerg place initi consider distanc tank and short time fire appear place good distanc apart that nag question peopl made attempt escap save children child and wasn commit suicid made attempt save child survivor attempt back into fire physic remov lift finger bring child appar you explain that and two survivor claim dous place lantern oil and set fire doubt david order lawyer talk tim and not releas search warrant that good question embarrass atf dirti harri mode initi stupidli handl find difficult that entir fbi complet corrupt administr dai stupid and bad decis and plan had align waco tim seeeeee turmoil halcyon fuck polic freedom speech abound yeh buddi larri psl nmsu edu larri cunningham your comput physic scienc laboratori mexico state univers comput thi la cruce mexico usa disclaim opinion express correct mine and not psl nmsu easi wouldn cowboi
talk.politics.misc	journalist arrest waco articl jason apr larc nasa gov jason larc nasa gov jason austin write good shot indic that stori that wouldn camera and film back get jail back expos film shortli rodnei king episod woman dayton us camcord tape polic arrest youth notic polic arrest for jaywalk and accid eras tape had yep film back allright brett noth passion vest interest disguis intellectu convict sean casei white plagu frank herbert
talk.politics.misc	motor voter articl tjninngcu bigbird william edu csw william edu walter gib gibson write motor voter stuff friend elect brought point that enabl peopl vote sinc make easier place registr brought analog that place vote alaska excess and wast petit place vote thi similar idea encourag peopl vote make easili access not know stood plai devil advoc and you taxpay monei buse for peopl that troubl make dmv vote merg vote easili draw line line and honest extend voter registr dmv analog place for registr alaska and open atlanta not onc you pass point friend that that extrem and that motor voter bill save monei longer citi pai sit town hall and spend time file thing push button fill dmv confus thi anymor counter that wouldn congress exorbit budget and fund committe orchestr and overse implement argument back and forev rang whether not peopl vote whether that even relev etc for opinion thought motor voter bill pass case experi tennesse voter registr system you can regist mail that interest vote deni access registr requir tiniest bit interest registr part and think elect onc eleven month prior onc you regist good you miss for year worth elect move easi regist simpli don and peopl regist don gumption even write and proper form can expect respons decis peopl david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.misc	atf burn dividian ranch updat articl apr osuunx ucc okstat edu kennej okstat edu kennedi jame scot write articl nate psygat psych indiana edu nate psygat psych indiana edu nathan engl write aej cmuvm bitnet write liber weeni come woodwork defend burn children yeah nazi you liber love nazi cigarett cop nazi nazism dead bunch good don zealou and bureau shouldn exist peopl not nazi peopl toss nazi label easili person opinion brent irvin you irvin uxh cso uiuc edu
talk.politics.misc	vote system regul for european parliament sinc member european parliament parliamentari assembi european commun elect directli citizen member state member european parliament mep member nation parliament mnp elect and peer european parliament member state fix number seat increas proportion popul onc year gener european elect held citizen member state choos repres european parliament elect due vote system for european elect differ countri anoth european treati enabl direct elect mep requir uniform vote system countri us system us for nation elect british mep elect past post system mep per district state chosen system proport represent countri franc itali mep allow mnp whilst not belgium netherland european parliament work uniform elect system for member that candid regul compli member state elect for you peopl question you uniform regul member state continu us regul for european elect that you system major vote implement mep per district you prefer system proport represent for commun per state per region per district you european commiss presid directli elect appoint european parliament joint member state govern maastricht treati subject member state stand for elect anoth member state resid you you vote for foreign idea appeal you you mep allow member nation parliament region parliament member nation region govern bodi european parliament meet strasbourg and brussel mep for complet move brussel great major polit compromis govern member state stick statu quo you approv thi you european parliament meet citi and post your answer eunet polit followup automat direct you not access that group mail your answer directli and will post for you hope you will time post view thi matter roland siebelink lokaal centrum voor studi van nieuw vrije universiteit brussel scom nmit media informati telecommunicati pleinlaan brussel belgium tel direkt mail rcsiebel vnet vub tel centrum talk rcsiebel vub fax centrum
talk.politics.misc	cult waco insan articl apollo nelson apollo peter nelson write articl srgenprp patk patrick kearnei write thi question tradit and that highli regard peopl that hundr jew elect throw cliff masada submit roman rule circumst masada and waco gener term quit similar and awar suggest that jew insan point jew face total fate hand roman koresh hand fed jewish men like crucifi women and children sold into slaveri can argu that koresh thought that similar fate await scant ration basi for that fear insan describ such belief penalti convict murder feder agent texa death penalti excus reckless action fed allegedli believ deal nut exercis restraint state goal save children appli monik insan fed action yup russ anderson disclaim statement and not reflect employ twin jack morri in pitch run world seri mvp
talk.politics.misc	waco burn articl apr linu mitr org gauss mitr org robert silverman write articl iiinn mojo eng umd edu russotto eng umd edu matthew russotto write articl noos ecn purdu edu garrod dynamo ecn purdu edu david garrod write world new servic short wave origin london report that survivor waco massacr state that tank make hole wall build knock kerosen lamp and that fire start attempt made peopl insid put fire spread quickli hear ring true consist that mass suicid fire not thi survivor that ring true separ report that overhead helicopt record entir incid video tape visual record file number mention start part compound thi video made public fbi spokesman knew fire black smoke start pour that fbi agent member start fire fbi claim listen devic bug compound will make public tape thi attempt blame fbi for start fire simpli attempt survivor shift blame crock seal initi search warrent keep media mile not let talk public make contradictori statement not releas vidio tape not step ensur public confid action russ anderson disclaim statement and not reflect employ twin jack morri in pitch run world seri mvp
talk.politics.misc	cu health million america articl apr desir wright edu demon desir wright edu not boomer articl utkvm utk edu utkvm utk edu david veal write question for you inform health care almanac quot oecd health data list public health expenditur for gdp total health expenditur pai expenditur insur popul heh doubt evid that govern effici evil for profit health care prove onc that brett major think problem two group that govern insur elderli and medic needi impoverish spend for medic care typic elderli person spend time person ag typic medic needi person spend time averag person you adjust data brett word and thought not bound swear allegi word master storm carri put into port and make shea psu home
talk.politics.misc	real sourc troubl health care system cancel privat health insur govern care that cover popul consum spend for health care not nation health expenditur includ puerto rico and outli area year health servic and suppli billion privat public total total total total sourc american almanac page edit you understand that gnp wast figur privat insur spend monei cover time peopl figur brett noth passion vest interest disguis intellectu convict sean casei white plagu frank herbert
talk.politics.misc	vietnam deja articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write waco whacko bar caus rememb offici explan vietnam war liber version inciner children order save and thi callou incid disregard for life you call bar
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl pdb kilimanjaro jpl nasa gov pdb ipl jpl nasa gov paul bartholomew write clayton cramer you stop ly and admit that crusad base your person hatr fear and obsess you cramer saddest thing that peopl cramer wife learn dislik for homosexu earli childhood clayton impression that wife sucker thi issu full grown adult
talk.politics.misc	real sourc troubl health care system articl apr desir wright edu demon desir wright edu not boomer write cancel privat health insur govern care that cover popul consum spend for health care not nation health expenditur includ puerto rico and outli area year health servic and suppli billion privat public total total total total sourc american almanac page edit you understand that gnp wast figur privat insur spend monei cover time peopl figur privat insur industri skim cream milk simpl gerald
talk.politics.misc	question represent debat student govern univers question rais student senat repres peopl didn vote and implic thi rais question repres peopl didn vote for feel that good reason that elect public offic student govern govern strive repres peopl constitu class geograph area phrase reason argument thi topic followup direct talk polit misc email prefer jim ault system programm rpi troi usa aultj rpi edu
talk.politics.misc	clayton asshol that articl rogerdc jhz netcom rogerd netcom roger write adisak pochanayon pochanai cae wisc edu wrote articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write homosexu viciou screw evil peopl learn quit bit last two year evil viciou dishonest ly scum describ homosexu clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine that clayton full shit bias and misalign slightest bit open mind wouldn write such slant smear gener entir group peopl thi case pot call kettl black thi pot call kettl black state that person show continu bias opinion close mind and that opinion clayton state that group two million american citizen evil viciou malici child molest hypothet question clayton nigger stupid don offend not racist exampl clayton malign logic and read report that lot black citi drop school bet wouldn your support can claim that homosexu dishonest evil ly child molest person singl homosexu friend acquaint and you sit and support god creat place for bigot call hell and clayton burn for long time prai for find heart christian valu espous that can learn love gai brother and sister hatr soul coulld never righteou
talk.politics.misc	waco investig paranoia articl templ edu templ edu richard hoen write can peopl stop batf fbi complet respons cover that investig will show that koresch respons unseal origin warrent seal place releas video tape listen devic insid compound and quit make contradictori statement you statement that children kill lethal inject state that children bodi burn point hard identifi come lethal inject theori investig thi size fed state and civilian involv investig practial imposs cover evid destroi evid plant and republican arlen spector call for investig thi isn handl kid glove you mean magic bullet spector lone gunman kill branch davidian russ anderson disclaim statement and not reflect employ twin jack morri in pitch run world seri mvp
talk.politics.misc	waco burn russotto eng umd edu matthew russotto write mst zeu tamu edu mitchel todd write russotto eng umd edu matthew russotto write hear ring true consist that mass suicid fire not thi survivor that trap insid damag tank accident fire plausibl mass suicid that davidian apocalypt cult histori arm violenc fbi reason lie fire result neglig survivor reason lie start blaze fbi claim fire set simultan place claim build fill tear ga electr cut tank roll bd ordin set fire fairli simpl decid burn place and agent dispatch set fire separ part compound doubt that simultan mean exact time thi case like mean close togeth preclud part fire fbi claim that men torch set fire haven releas evid thi inconciev that don true wait evid come site and investig underwai bd previou action aim surviv not death jonestown idea that kerosen lamp place electr cut make sens idea that ram tank into build spill and fire make sens possibl that fbi wouldn thi nil wasn simpl neglig supris folk miss past similar situat don jump oconclus mitchel todd mst zeu tamu edu
talk.politics.misc	waco burn articl jjinnnmm ctron new ctron smith ctron write mst zeu tamu edu mitchel todd write accident fire plausibl mass suicid that davidian apocalypt cult histori arm violenc place tinder box straw bale for insul and wouldn time die smoke inhal fire reach peopl burn death horribl and agonizingli pain die don even fanat willingli inflict alon famili you don fall diem govern vietnam tradit indian practic sutte peopl burn death will such and end for polit and religi reason sinc begin time death smoke inhal dy flame breatn sear toxic gass not pleasant rememb jim jone and thought that mass suicid real possibl immol simpli not method choic buddhist monk each like bomb bullet poison kool aid that not didn don make claim find idea implaus want gov inv tigat determin start fire accid wait govern mitchel todd mst zeu tamu edu
talk.politics.misc	cu health big secret articl apr desir wright edu demon desir wright edu not boomer write articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write articl apr desir wright edu demon desir wright edu not boomer write blue cross govern health insur provid oop oop blue cross insur for govern worker massachusett for number state and local govern don blue cross not govern agenc privat insur privat insur that deal govern regul employe cover process etc mountain form that gov employe thi red her you contend that mountain form process blue cross had blue cross insur govern employe and employe privat corpor differ two set form administr cost associ medicar medicaid two primari form govern insur consider lower averag for privat insur compani versu you evid that blue cross bear heavier burden insur govern employe privat employe post stick factual assert and origin post impli privat insur administr cost significantli higher administr cost tax support health care system canada and that remain paper bound and refus standard that interest defens free enterpris system you contend that govern intervent that prevent privat insur compani standard fact true that red tape burden stem lack standard privat insur difficult understand thi free enterpris work barron bibl wall street thi week admit that administr cost significantli lower canada singl payer system cheaper guess even free enterpris advoc begin light hmo good servic low cost and don govern tell doctor can and can not medic procedur you confus propos health care reform bush administr gag order feder fund famili plan clinic propos that control your doctor can and cannot medic procedur jsh steve hendrick domain steveh thor isc thing data cut uunet isc thor steveh bull hofferbert bell
talk.politics.misc	earth pollut scientist not articl udn ncratl atlantaga ncr mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr mark wilson environmentalist attribut drought global warm research nation center for atmospher research educ and open mind environmentalist not effect come back long time disagre stupid and close mind mean that major environment scientist research agre that nino nina and southern oscil system involov that climat phenomena categor human drought respons earlier messag est output sulfur dioxid mill ton equival entir output recent erupt pinautubo world carbon dioxid level set approx ppm past year never thi info found ic core sampl joint french russian vostok project background emmis chlorin compound into atmoshper ppb annual sit thi overwhelm data info found world resourc doc publish oxford univers ozon hole northern and southern hemispher get bigger and stickin longer whilst skeptic ponder wrong corrupt thi data govern and intern scientif institut piti that skeptic wrong and base complac limbaugh psycho babbl will find ourselv strap limit option rectifi primal engin industri ag employ doesn subscrib opinion data disclaim
talk.politics.misc	major burger chain offer talk polit misc demon desir wright edu not boomer write janet you your hostag quick fri crackli crunch bake delic crunch you fri that sir
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl rick howtek rick roi write thi call notquotingtheentirearticl you refer note that religi belief evolv basic pragmat principl dai dai live had live religi belief posit principl for everydai live islam religion avoid alcohol apolog name wrong religion and that physic posit respect thi prove noth basic pragmat principl dai dai live todai doesn mean evolv belief and posit held base interpret religion religi belief come place will back level argument that written god not fault that that not basic pragmat principl you mean thi context belief base faith definit not necessarili back logic faith god absolut truth argu religion religion reject your thesi that belief simpli come dai dai principl summat you us religi argument prepar back fill religi document religion thing denot religion base write teach fill religi figur note religion charg topic and offend refer god apolog insert your sensibl refer argument appli religion kristof kmunn tudor opinion express sole author and subject chang confront inform and logic coher argument
talk.politics.misc	earth pollut scientist not rodger scoggin ksc nasa gov rodger scoggin write respons earlier messag est output sulfur dioxid mill ton equival entir output recent erupt pinautubo world carbon dioxid level set approx ppm past year never thi info found ic core sampl joint french russian vostok project background emmis chlorin compound into atmoshper ppb annual sit thi overwhelm data info found world resourc doc publish oxford univers good evid ozon hole northern and southern hemispher get bigger and stickin longer whilst skeptic ponder wrong corrupt thi data govern and intern scientif institut piti that skeptic wrong and base complac limbaugh psycho babbl will find ourselv strap limit option rectifi primal engin industri ag ozon hole northern hemispher exactli will happen ozon hole upper atmospher senior chicken nasa radiat move mile south not calam that imagin eco lunat evid that increas due burn fossil fuel evid that increas will increas temperatur and evidi that rais temperatur will good make million acr tundra into product life bear land chri burian
talk.politics.misc	waco investig paranoia templ edu richard hoen write and republican arlen spector call for investig thi isn handl kid glove will iron extrem spector manag uncov govern conspiraci and cover thi case posit magic grenad that lit fire wing build onc joe knapp jmk cbvox att
talk.politics.misc	waco burn russotto eng umd edu matthew russotto write idea that kerosen lamp place electr cut make sens idea that ram tank into build spill and fire make sens idea that ga canist can hot ignit dry bale hai lazlo lazlo triton unm edu
talk.politics.misc	scientist not green hous effect mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr mark wilson write apr titan ksc nasa gov rodger scoggin ksc nasa gov rodger scoggin write articl cellar org techi cellar org william bacon word sum alot scientist conclud that doubt global climat will occur ring and dealt sourc doubt warm will occur mucho disagr warm will occur origin doomsday claim degre farhenheit degre newer studi hint that degre side articl yesterdai atlanta journal state that scientist misgiv that data us determin whether not global warm occur faulti point that articl made that long term temperatur dataa collect urban area and that heat rise can attribut growth and urban area call asphalt temperatur trend real long term data remot area such middl amazon rain forest top everest gobi desert for that matter accompani articl mention that group scientist nasa had develop method for satellit collect temperatur data global and that preliminari result show slight downward trend attribut pinatubo erupt that even current downward trend appear chang global temperatur trend predict method for year can quot articl verbatim you tom gillman system programm aaaaagggghhhh well comput center state univ classic star trek secur syshtg gsusgi gsu edu offic show gsu doesn care internet you
talk.politics.misc	waterg temper tantrum articl apr oracl oracl mfriedma oracl micha write articl apr poni ingr garrett ingr write articl apr oracl oracl mfriedma oracl micha write articl apr poni ingr garrett ingr write articl philc lru lxa netcom phil netcom phil ronzon write articl apr poni ingr garrett ingr write ford troubl pardon noth wrong duh garrett you ignor slut read waterg you gui unarticul that you call name you grade school level intellig jesu garret haven you watch saturdai night live not you histor ignoramu you cultur ignoramu saturdai night live make fun bit creativ and talent you hand complet lack creativ talent and verbal mechan and you that snl cultur show your intellectu level gener accept that nixon attempt cover break occur action pursuit that end that pardon for you ignor histori that you that involv break guess that make you even dumber offici accus alot that list for you obstruct justic part coverup grant abus presidenti power coverup part not forget that nixon person author break ellsberg psychiatrist subvert constitut right citizen challeng you provid evid that nicon offici accus thi noth meaningless can you subvert constitut right verb doesn noun that hous that charg you challeng that subvert constitut right citizen noth cover for waterg you prove wrong don expect you thi sinc your arrog replac your reason and willfulli disobei law subpoena for white hous record and tape part coverup grant garrett note that charg you mention for that english mean part coverup wrong you forgot ellsberg btw you cover loyalti peopl work for thi funni weren sad that you thi loyalti allow peopl work for rap idli sat and happen loyal peopl work for pardon resign death modifi declar dai and garrett johnson letter that pass hand garrett ingr adverb and adject dai made war articl dai black letter and joseph heller catch
talk.politics.misc	waterg temper tantrum articl apr oracl oracl mfriedma oracl micha write articl apr poni ingr garrett ingr write articl philc mbf netcom phil netcom phil ronzon write articl apr poni ingr garrett ingr write doesn matter don care liar call you liar you want proof glad provid you thing sinc you sound you nixon didn start secret war thi lie nixon had full knowledg invas lao and cambodia and li american public note that militari action not war joke you can you can you bomb and invad countri notic definit war american heritag dictionari state period arm conflict nation state thi qualifi invas cambodia and lao war you nixon didn us offic presid for person gain thi lie senat committe issu indict that list nixon crime relev violat oath offic abus presidenti power excus refer person gain explain thi you slowli abus power posit gain person polit power naw that obviou you big thing that you flog that mistook prc for peopl republ cambodia sinc knew that cambodia socialist time and sinc your comment middl convers cambodia made wrong assumpt that talk thing garrett make assumpt mean initi prc discuss asia breathtakingli ignor and can call name posit defensless breathtakingli ignor and desper notic that you edit point prove you and phil complet wrong death modifi declar dai and garrett johnson letter that pass hand garrett ingr adverb and adject dai made war articl dai black letter and joseph heller catch
talk.politics.misc	waco gov fault libertarian parti cia fbi atf articl wkyg dscomsa desi hallam zeu desi write articl apr happi ucc edu etbeteil happi ucc edu write shred evid that prove waco disast govern fault raid american properti rumor koresh intent convert amend protect firearm judg approv warrant justifi noth democraci rule law search warrant justifi search constitut not justifi murder attempt mount search for illeg held weapon search for illeg held weapon evid produc thi effect not justifi fire into hous women and children not justifi shoot identifi oneself atf and fbi thi don haven produc warrant guess depend stori believ huh dai basic terrorist tactic tear ga and thi justifi support rescu suppos hostag insid govt us lethal forc case attempt captur danger crimin arm and threaten live talk thi case us sub lethal forc sub lethal excus peopl dead gov immedi imprison call hostag children held hostag evid fbi produc don hold your breath adult want various for murder and conspiraci murder held chain and hackl want rest held for crime materi wit hundr gov agent tax fund cellular phone ten minut dial for fire depart not call fire dept role for plai situat that rescu shoot not fed decis make firefight call fire dept meant that waco depriv resourc that need situat us arisen thi true answer call for fire depart citizen sinc fire depart answer call that depriv resourc that need not valid reason for not call sinc davidian had not found guilti crime court law subject protect citizen and la even crimin prison not left burn death fire cut water suppli surround area gov guarante that fire compound fatal fire start deliber uis lamp oil like fatal guess thi matter religi faith you govern haven you read thi thread notic that don beleiv stori had foresight station rescu vehicl nearbi place scarc resourc bunch psycho cannot depriv neighbourhood resourc that requir genuin case patient psychiatr hospit not left die fire explain distress genuin you wasn gov conveni forgot that freedom religion stuff freedom religion not includ human sacrific includ form murder evid that davidian commit human sacrific initi raid and defens not murder gov arguabl start fan fire govt arguabl run communist trilater commiss not deliber accid not requir conspiraci theori wanton disregard for human life initi raid alon agent fire blind into wall standard law enforc ment procedur prove not mind kill peopl final and thi stretch for you statist koresh origin reason for hole such compound continu interfer gov tax regul and increas involv aspect person and econom live life compound becom futur hope that support koresh not allow enforc thi rest support koresh oppos illeg us excess violenc govern citizen that reason for support ownership high power weaponri clear hope that thi will catylist for destruct fabric societi and enforc nightmar vision futur societi that believ terror peopl for religi view will destroi due time fed disrupt fabric societi waco not koresh fed forc nightmar peopl mount carmel good thing for peopl studi histori basi you assum haven don you mean good thing peopl drew conclus histori that group milit milit impli act aggress neighbor davidian left neighbor alon religi heret left set such commun time ago year had captur medina and destroi idol kabba ten year arabia islam mormon consid cult for year and chase place anoth think you advoc final set commun left peopl alon american haven put sword mormon hord cry aveng joseph smith group peopl start that want left alon not mean that that will stai doesn mean won purpos system law punish peopl for not pat robertson oral robert and jimmi swaggart thi world quit tell peopl run live tell not forc polic knock door cannot make chang channei for pat and friend don even watch channel sinc atheist not watch hasn kill you such peopl gun and point your face you like find that run your life peopl stick gun face govern and hard run life haven you notic phill hallam baker christian strubl colleg libertarian texa chapter mece jetson edu box calhoun houston true civil man that claim for robert ingersol
talk.politics.misc	cult waco insan articl srgenprp patk patrick kearnei write assum for sake argument that branch davidian peopl immol manner describ feder author gener consensu that insan manner behaviour di fact chose kill submit govern thi question tradit and that highli regard peopl that hundr jew elect throw cliff masada submit roman rule circumst masada and waco gener term quit similar and awar suggest that jew insan point thi comparison question us word cult discuss event waco davidian cult and not jew masada constitut cult size membership matter respect perhap length time exist cathol cult mormon calvinist sect respect cult dictionari definit sinc popular usag carri weight suspect that word cult us perjor sens speak group davidian word boss us describ unpopular govern wish make unpopular castro communist boss cuba doesn hear clinton describ america democrat capitalist boss for thing not dividian depend whether show act defens and illeg weapon life live forc give religion even legal weapon dividian had surviv chang leadership even koresch convict and jail carri don dividian insan don reason for mass suicid fire intent set dividian don that fire intention set insid gener plan thi circl knew two felt had koresch knowledg bless etc don masada peopl throw mother jump babi arm richard
talk.politics.misc	drug and crime approach mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr mark wilson write miss entir point post kebarn msuvx memst edu wrote that trade illeg drug respons for crime afflict nation evid that fact that drug illeg not drug that caus violenc wit prohibit and violenc that surround trade alcohol joke peopl want drug peopl predispos addict will find whether not legal thi supposs argument for keep drug illeg you jump that conclus argument accomplish societ good discourag drug us violat individu right despit current law enforc effort drug readili want thi supposs argument for keep drug illeg you miss point point war drug failur and counterproduct addict drug boh legal and illeg respons for signific drain product resourc countri and thi occur varieti wai cocain addict babi unabl learn spread diseas addict tragic consequ alcohol abus and tobacco smoke crack babi scenario thouroughli discredit happen that symptom crack babi ident fetal alcohol syndrom and mother admit take crack admit drink heavili pregnanc thi countri peopl free stupid want not free stupid and injur peopl admittedli fetal life scope thi discuss ridicul assert you appar that cocain effect develop fetal nervou system caffien and nicotin fetal effect cocain except gener econom principl govern that subsid you and tax you effect confront nation drug problem found util addit power govern make drug deal and drug us attract make drug legal tax and us tax monei fund program peopl studid drug work for legal drug you had read articl write your knee jerk respons you that thi exactli advoc thi countri current effort combat legal drug succeed respect greater awar health consequ smoke and design driver program help reduc drunk drive for exampl cannot for war illeg drug remain core group illeg drug user support intern network smuggler pusher grower processor kingpin and gangster network and market activ includ drive shoot corrupt law enforc author and smuggl weapon directli indirectli respons for larg proport crime commit countri dai each and problem direct result drug trade illeg shit sherlock illeg drug and rise crime link take moment reflect recogn link link monei thi countri fail effort prohibit alcohol consumpt black market creat greedi local monopoli gangster bygon era profit enorm illeg trade victim thi trade includ not innoc peopl unfortun caught crossfir argu drug user great argument for make drug legal you you miss point utterli you smoke propos possess and us present illeg drug decrimin bui and sell remain illeg pothead can grow marijuana todai drug user can legal import poison choic long pai tariff and barter economi drug experiment develop your solut noth elimin violenc drug trade btw import drug bui illeg you your solut thouroughli import will not bui drug jurisdict us your remain brain cell barter economi suppli drug user black market profit that enrich drug lord dwindl drug can obtain for free noth bui nevertheless will will seek sell noncommerci drug even rel low price you fail drug can obtain for free noth you state that sale illeg spell for you barter economi mean that drug user will permit grow synthes chemic choos bui and bring won grow will permit trade drug user for drug grow manufactur will not legal sell drug for monei manufactur and import noncommerci drug will tax discourag us thi your brain drug question law enforc activ concentr individu continu bui and sell and crime commit drug user poor afford even low price strategi begin differenti drug dealer victim and drug user victim citi thi strategi fail and drag rest pardon possess us drug crime you cannot analog rate drug user seek treatment and compar eas made todai drug illeg possess us not illeg possess us decrimin possess and us make treatment easier drug dealer exploit weak person prone addict and such drug user left alon not thrown prison victim drug dealer crimin and treat such drug addict not absolv you responsibl for your crimin action arrest for crime suspect permit choos whether not will undergo drug test choos cooper inform that convict for crime accus found drug user will institution clean and will begin serv sentenc choos cooper and drug free can begin serv sentenc choos not undergo drug test and convict face stiffer fine and serv longer sentenc thi sound hell lot incrimin unconstitut drug us legal your scheme presenc drug anyon system influenc penalti receiv big brotherish for tast drug test arrest suspect voluntari not coerc and not constitut violat amend convict drug user evidenc test treatment for problem institution adddict crimin argu straighten refus test and convict sentenc can appropri harsher sinc unlik addict excus for crime institution drug crimin serv purpos drug crimin and thi includ drunk and stone driver separ sourc suppli reduc total number drug user societi larg and decreas demand for drug street put remain drug dealer busi drug crimin treat crimin you state that drug us legal mark wilson atlantaga ncr not object discourag drug us and crimin behavior fewer crimin drug fear get harsher sentenc convict that not good thing fewer drug dealer crimin btw can find victim that not good thing fewer drug user such drunk pothead etc commit crime fear cut sourc suppli that not good thing will debat posit you read carefulli standard disclaim dna ken barn lifesci bldg conserv libertarian kebarn memstvx memst edu for pro balanc memphi compuserv find televis educ time turn set into room and read book groucho marx
talk.politics.misc	govern and you articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write articl apr infonod ingr albeaj jima ingr jim albea write articl mar isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write steve propos system check nation criteria for govern counter that limit constitut place check gee jim you check constitut you find order promot gener welfar ordain and establish thi constitut surpris you miss paragraph thought you made preambl you almost and good you follow your advic preambl constitut read you quot not forget that preambl not bind part constitut and carri weight law that poor tortur paragraph unfortun passag english languag wit legion blowhard vagu floweri phrase part law land you that politician give lip servic promot gener welfar limit constitut buddi blowhard manag includ gener welfar anoth portion constitut articl section congress power lai and collect tax pai debt and provid for common defenc and gener welfar unit state guess want make understood meant preambl make you point experi constitut read follow preambl peopl promot gener welfar ordain and establish thi constitut for unit state america constitut feder govern function and function provid for defens nation govern not two function defens and welfar sinc explicitli includ gener welfar and defens articl section guess you grant that botha constitut function steve glad that you abandon preambl thing you word search find welfar constitut comment and paraphras bracket articl section wai gut constitut congress power lai and collect tax duti impost and excis pai debt indebted defin document and provid for common defenc defenc precis defin and gener welfar defin document wai that limit govern unit state tax uniform congress power collect tax uniformli borrow monei regul commerc foreign nation interst and indian tribe uniform natur and bankruptci coin monei regul thereof and etc punish counterfeit establish post offic and post road provid patent and copyright constitut tribun inferior suprem court defin and punish piraci and etc declar war and etc rais and support armi for longer two year stretch provid and maintain navi notic time limit thi make rule for armi and navi provid for call militia execut law etc provid for train armi for state stuff exercis exclus legisl make law execut forego power your origin instinct nation for preced that support expans liber agenda easier slim pickin found constitut jim albea jwalbea jima ingr
talk.politics.misc	clinton press brief dee dee myer white hous offic press secretari for releas april press brief dee dee myer brief room edt myer todai schedul you presid jog thi morn senat wofford will photo opportun rose garden present teacher year award will meet princip advisor bosnia and meet presid vaclav havel will photo top that meet formal press confer question move major decis thi week bosnia myer continu discuss option talk extens foreign polici advisor bosnia advisor world leader contact presid mitterrand todai and continu discuss don specif timet situat call janet reno todai yesterdai myer don spoken todai noth thi publicli piec paper that put last night myer answer question yesterdai had happen myer happen put sinc happen had noth myer put statement last night and todai forum that myer will photo rose garden will talk waco that myer that can live myer will can talk exact structur work don you want live will question waco that time myer reason hasn talk attornei gener myer doubl check don that hasn talk thi morn and didn come thi morn myer and didn talk yesterdai reaction resign statement that made last night myer ask question and answer question presid absolut intent ask for attornei gener resign stand percent you inform decis take full respons for that and stand percent attornei gener reno question aris yesterdai told that brief thi never firm idea knew plan and justif for plan and justif time fulli inform that thi increas level violenc insid compound that made want feel that noth succe cetera myer talk attornei gener decis talk factor that led decis rais object support decis forward fulli brief hindsight back presid white hous feel that decis sign prove you happen myer feel bad life lost don that that reason second guess decis stand decis that made inform fulli brief and stand percent attornei gener justic depart and fbi difficult oper and had for week feder agent had lost live line duti not forget that thi difficult situat and decis involv difficult agent ground fbi justic depart recommend move forward thi thought circumst action point second guess decis that reason not myer not second guess decis import investig presid will talk that todai thi thi vantag point second guess decis not you sound order investig happen and whether myer that will order investig myer investig kind investig myer mondai morn quarterback sure soul search whether decis you can that turn debacl myer review situat and factor that lead tragic outcom don disput that outcom tragic presid stand decis that made and factor that contribut that fbi director role thi myer involv set oper sign agent that ground that work don spoke presid doubl check that close involv aspect plan and myer refer you fbi exactli aspect involv will janet reno come white hous todai myer plan meet don that won thi event myer plan you that jump part polit opposit make thi term presid detriment polit myer hope that peopl wouldn us thi tragedi for polit reason that fact reevalu fact and presid will move forward that peopl understand that thi difficult seri decis that difficult situat that caus man cult leader involv death feder agent and tragic that lot innoc children lost live thi don disput tragedi outcom dee dee white hous role handl guess public relat aspect aftermath talk white hous talk peopl justic set reno new confer that sort thing myer attornei gener handl end situat and made decis ahead new confer onc point inform talk accuraci had transpir dai peopl number level keep touch peopl justic depart and fbi inform happen reno that didn talk presid and indic hadn talk white hous myer peopl talk staff staff level understand justic depart handl that for reno talk white hous myer number peopl you webb hubbel liaison white hous and talk number peopl number peopl number level involv don want into exactli had convers number convers justic depart work white hous inform press inform abil event unfold dai webb hubbel talk presid myer don don talk point and white hous role seek inform happen direct public inform campaign that myer abreast situat presid top justic depart manag press relat interest happen dai and presid close dai dee dee that presid close and had talk night janet reno wouldn talk sinc myer don talk thi morn fulli awar dai stand percent decis fulli support yesterdai morn event transpir and yesterdai afternoon written statement wouldn want convei thought person yesterdai myer time don spoken thi morn yesterdai percept that left hung dry dai yesterdai myer that not true dai that presid take full respons that stand don clearer can presid stand foursquar attornei gener thi accept full respons for event that transpir believ that janet reno justic depart and fbi act circumst and fact that evid time don can show that support percent indic that pick phone and myer don whether spoken thi morn can find myer can can stand you six peopl pick phone myer helen back you dee dee presid spoke attornei gener sundai safe assum that volunt inquir whether downsid increas pressur davidian myer that discuss situat not into specif detail exactli told that awar risk involv dee dee presid yesterdai morn decis that told happen and presid regard that gave ahead that gave ahead myer yesterdai that made decis base fact inform that and rais object don clearer can that and issu respons myer mean myer presid accept ultim respons dee dee presid investig that announc that conduct administr myer intern meant preclud congression investig myer meant simpli follow incid that occur yesterdai and you assum cooper fulli congression hear that held myer abil dee dee two report thi morn that justic depart fbi whomev appar had bug plant insid complex and that children inject kind poison that left unconsci even kill fire you two myer noth new account thi morn thi point not report peopl compound presid receiv report todai term fatal and find compound myer brief don that into compound wait for cool don report new account date dee dee presid stand attornei gener reno feel that perhap bad advic call expert myer believ that made stand decis that made unanim decis advisor fbi agent ground and support that valid decis made ground back myer not second guess decis made dee dee you stand decis made situat thi presid made decis you made decis myer that presid brief decis okai and accept full respons for you terminolog decis that made decis that made myer yesterdai evalu fact base evid present justic depart and fbi part justic depart and made decis and brief presid that decis that chain command work brief sign oper forward and presid accept full respons that chain command analog want back session moment you thi plan that reno present involv involv myer you justic depart for specif interact attornei gener and director presid stand director session myer support don wai can thi support decis made justic depart and fbi fulli support attornei gener thi not step director fbi want janet reno brief made decis head justic depart you director fbi report attornei gener attornei gener made decis inform presid decis okai didn rais object and accept full respons you base you white hous concern william session perform thi myer noth suggest that line your initi review situat you problem come not justic depart that fulli staf and fbi director quit uncertain statu myer don that had agent ground oper forward not specul that white hous express alarm that janet reno chose speak live network media chose speak clinton myer carri forward respons inform public event yesterdai admir job presid agre that sundai presid brief situat waco myer updat regular basi daili basi brief presid myer not into exactli convers had date event waco daili brief number issu thi regular brief conduct white hous staff person justic depart person myer brief regularli white hous staff number issu not into exactli brief subject anoth subject anoth subject gai militari laughter myer close you sign biodivers treati myer you presid give speech earth dai tomorrow detail that speech myer and don dee dee thi major polici address you character speech tomorrow myer character earth dai speech wouldn for major departur past posit thing don want into talk tomorrow campu thi locat white hous myer will washington don exactli dee dee foreign leader presid talk sinc fridai situat bosnia myer prime minist major and reach presid mitterrand thi morn david owen yesterdai and joe biden todai agre that peac process not work that serb not sign administr that can work and that will sign myer ultim goal sort peac resolut conflict bosnia you administr wide varieti option thi point situat and srebrenica and rest eastern bosnia quit and presid will meet bosnian advisor todai and continu press forward thi that question decid whether not peac plan remain viabl myer review number option includ peac plan group that meet todai includ reg bartholomew myer don will usual secretari christoph secretari aspin gener powel dee dee you appar encount bosnia todai aircraft violat fly zone myer don back you that will presid meet leader come town for holocaust museum myer will meet you vaclav havel todai and lech walesa tomorrow and rest group tomorrow afternoon group myer group havel and walesa ask for meet earli and agenda for quit time will meet foreign head state that dee dee presid decid whether support gai and lesbian civil right act and work for address march sundai myer letter kind statement march haven work exact detail that not live phone hook myer not logist get boston speech you answer part your question hasn posit you that speech boston myer you myer work gener vessei come back tonight vietnam will meet presid myer specif meet schedul talk point and forward report exactli make that report unclear not come immedi white hous myer aid czar close you myer work drug czar you expect march myer don time line presid senat mitchel lloyd cutler ploi break filibust myer don not myer not senat democrat thi hour myer that tomorrow tomorrow updat stimulu scale myer you senat will vote amend todai continu talk presid commit kind job packag pass and continu convers dai and end thi brief can you give word speaker whether presid talk janet reno myer happi becom press question for last hour myer thi minut that and haven had chanc follow helen opinion hatfield myer mean prefer offer compromis packag billion believ that that altern believ that will second packag and senat will vote that todai and hope that presid bill will mitchel amend will that will approv dee dee white hous offici that will march sundai myer will repres presid don decid address videotap phone call myer will letter hasn final decis that offici will read letter that sound myer correct lloyd bentsen thi morn you that that thi waco thing myer wasn come econom issu health care target myer that target and talk joint session congress speech end myer haven resolv exactli presid will present health care plan peopl wouldn rule that option decis made end edt
talk.politics.misc	perot pai incom tax seek press refer tax perot pai incom tax heard figur percent sinc get incom feder and municip bond interest read reliabl report
talk.politics.misc	danger ideolog posit wetwar drieux wetwar drieux drieux write articl cbnew att lvc cbnew att larri cipriani write lesson tiananmen squar neal knox reprint gun ammo septemb second amend import even todai progress era includ descript bonu march washington gen dougla macarthur oppos militari forc unemploi wwi veteran lobbi for govern immedi pai promis veteran bonu larri you can suggest that govern affraid bunch vet and and call militari protect govern and decid forget gener veteran that liber advantag conscript arm forc not pai for servic render you awar that armi call fight and veteran bonu marcher march demand bonus promis for servic becau depress want earli john burton jburton acenet auburn edu opinion not employ
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag alan morgan alanm efi wrote articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write you that gai men promiscu straight men show damag and screw gai men claytoon that hypothet agre you that gai men promiscu straight men thi screw peopl btw occur that sinc experi men interest sex women and want sex earlier relationship women that homosexu sex simpli becuas partner mind heterosexu men promiscu observ that women like strongli indoctron into want sex that men definit doubl standard for men and women promiscu factor commun direct homosexu relationship and cultur mark evan evansmp uhura aston home evansmp aston offic
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talk.politics.misc	waco burnout apr rigel tamu edu mst rigel tamu edu mitchel todd write articl visser convex convex visser convex lanc visser write can wait for investig that dead and place burnt ground guess honest citizen will word atf threat peopl histori koresh and folow captur mount carmel complex yearss ago gun battl rival sect leav person dead weren exactli peac love bunch you get your mi inform straight batf koresh and follow not captur compound year ago year ago argument lead group gunfight erupt person di koresh charg murder sheriff arrest sheriff knock dorr and show koresh warrant tactic that batf learn koresh and charg peacibl surrend sherrif trial ensu found innoc and juri hung koresh charg mob rule isn prettier mob call govern ain chariti you monei wilson theori rel you back relat mark wilson atlantaga ncr
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr chri holt newcastl chri holt write quit that buyer and seller will trust parti trust and will desir moder that parti random parti assum interfer transact contarari wish primari particip odd pretti good result will detriment ensur that process decid whether introduc parti isn random steve exampl parti ignor corrupt two primari parti thi knowledg not parti us persuas swai transact hand condon us forc threat violenc parti troubl fourth parti that parti and and parti and win that can us forc threat forc word make abandon such aggress tactic and work voluntari cooper and respect that libertarian want paul schmidt advoc for govern davi crockett chapter presid judith drive johnson citi uunet tijc pj freedom unleash creativ energi peopl and lead higher level incom and social progress report
talk.politics.misc	clinton presid remark photo vaclav havel white hous offic press secretari for releas april remark presid photo opportun vaclav havel oval offic edt presid presid havel for holocaust museum open and you tour museum last night thi focu holocaust that weigh your decis make process bosnia concern presid holocaust extrem exampl world ethnic cleans and that even limit manifest idea that oppos you couldn think that that not compar two exampl not ident that that unit state seek opportun stand speak inhuman sir close you decis sanction bosnia presid vote ambassador albright instrument vote strengthen sanction and quit tough and put head busi implement and option and don you that spent quit bit time and will continu dai your meet todai sir you closer sort militari presenc presid not made decis presid clinton you decid meet havel presid honor that come and glad unit state for dedic holocaust museum figur wide admir countri and world and import person europ and import person unit state hope that chanc talk czech republ and kind thing can togeth support end edt
talk.politics.misc	janet reno kill waco children previou articl tz stein washington edu tim smith cleveland freenet edu broward horn write fact that disagre you offer resign and presid reject offer will respons and presid ball stand decis contempt ignor yup that quit contemptu presid make decis that disagre your ignor show batf warrant unseal entir oper illeg dai and clinton and reno support peopl dead
talk.politics.misc	waco burnout previou articl mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr mark wilson apr rigel tamu edu mst rigel tamu edu mitchel todd write articl visser convex convex visser convex lanc visser write can wait for investig that dead and place burnt ground guess honest citizen will word atf threat peopl batf warrant unseal yesterdai entir oper illeg dai author for knock raid author us texa helicopt author search for drug lab atf li clinton and reno ly fuck
talk.politics.misc	waco don want attack person opinion and not includ articl incred ridicul and pompou for sit back benefit hindsight and point finger clinton reno fbi whomev knee jerk judgement fact quit muddl thi point and will like for quit secondli thing not improv point blame and accusatori finger point finger destruct action sat point finger time noth and noth and despit tragedi can learn thi approach construct manner doesn that work togeth product work anoth thirdli incred hypocrit place blame benefit hindsight that made decis not benefit not give courtesi acknowledg that data had difficult situat respons suggest that action regard for live peopl compound give break part solut not problem and that opinion david
talk.politics.misc	clinton healthcar profession review healthcar reform option articl cftinnrbt life mit edu clinton campaign org white hous write white hous offic commun for releas contact bob boorstin thursdai april phone health profession review clinton propos develop md list and not rn opinion doug doug fierro ut system softwar case tool develop fierro ut amdahl
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talk.politics.misc	janet reno kill waco children articl apr ncsu edu dsh eceyv ncsu edu doug holtsing write situat waco similar hostag situat madman hold gun head innoc person such situat person provok madman and pull gun trigger respons for death hostag janet reno blindli stumbl and basic threw tear ga contain madman hope that releas hostag surpris that madman pull trigger respons that kind provoc curios thi situat wait anoth dai week month year indic that children and peopl aliv tom munoz thought for dai million microfich fish munoz sweetpea jsc nasa gov
talk.politics.misc	clinton press brief dee dee myer white hous offic press secretari for releas april press brief dee dee myer brief room edt myer press confer bill east room and saturdai presid will leav roughli and fly jamestown will spend dai overnight camp david sundai unclear exactli time leav camp david and fly boston leav hagerstown press plane will leav washington will meet kind plane that take myer that take hagerstown myer hagerstown air forc doesn fly hagerstown appar will pool travel myer pool will meet ahead time guess pool will travel press plane and wait for airport provis and doubl check provis that standard oper practic pool not meet and watch plane hagerstown myer don time boston myer meet group citizen peopl support campaign work final time airport myer will boston harbor hotel and will meet youth group that author call project speech publish will and speech and attend recept publish and return washington boston and that for weekend presid report letter commun foreign servic offic commun madelein albright and reaction call myer letter written secretari christoph secretari christoph receiv letter saturdai review and met author mondai discuss view believ import part polici make process and take view into account forward develop bosnia polici presid reaction myer presid hasn letter that direct secretari christoph term hasn specif letter term concern gener presid that lot option tabl includ that weren and grave concern situat bosnia influenc that mean feel fact that specialist that area desk offic myer specialist that area that that part process view will consid secretari christoph met group immedi discuss view believ that room for opinion and that opinion consid peopl work close issu you mean option tabl that weren myer presid last week that option such lift arm embargo bosnian muslim that had previous tabl that consid dee dee term option madelein albright that potenti unilater action european not that tabl myer can discuss that convers that happen ambassador albright and presid presid work european alli had number convers european leader and build consensu will reach decis will specif todai myer mean term will announc polici todai your statement mean rule unilater action myer continu consult alli thi point fairli clear that believ that act concert alli thi that point that built author unit nation unilater action myer resolut make clear that you can act unilater support humanitarian relief effort broader point that option that decid pursu will make that consist author and not work alli make that dee dee white hous distinguish eli wiesel that not stop atroc bosnia myer that that addit option that wiesel comment yesterdai quit compel situat bosnia tragic presid concern presid clinton work hard action continu isol serbia world commun option presid concern that perhap not term you talk sound resolut justifi unilater action protect humanitarian myer don wouldn us word justifi permit unilater action countri protect deliveri humanitarian relief that explan resolut action that will consist resolut work alli make that permiss action presid and offici rule unilater action bosnia past you declin that thi morn myer presid repeatedli that act concert alli thi that doesn mean that won act alon explicitli myer don mean impli chang polici presid that act concert alli thi question thi letter foreign servic offic hit paper myer don secretari christoph had privat convers presid not met mondai christoph met sure brought that myer talk privat dee dee you that albright recommend reject that correct myer didn that won wouldn comment convers commun advoc unilater action and you effect that will not unilater action myer not confirm that madelein albright not recommend sometim delic complic and frustrat natur negoti alli thi issu presid find thi kind letter foreign servic offic state depart help that process hurt that myer that view consid secretari receiv that memo saturdai and two dai met order thorough air view basi for view discuss greater detail option that had present letter doesn put kind pressur addit pressur administr act alli not myer broad polici review underwai and presid and advisor number option includ outlin letter folk state depart decis made that that review underwai and that opinion consid can follow guess for reaction thi letter good thi bolster posit damn thi don myer thi help contribut substant debat import that view consid and air that make decis advic and inform and thi wai further that goal intern advic cabinet offici presid open and you wouldn umbrag that line myer that fact that secretari christoph met discuss view and make had opportun complet convers conclus evid that view polici review includ madelein albright suggest and joe biden and suggest that previou resolut author unilater action militari action for deliveri humanitarian myer option tabl unilater option tabl myer option tabl had two isn that chang dee dee that chang polici includ ground troop specif rule myer presid don that not you talk option myer option presid fairli clear that review that presid option tabl except introduct ground troop never suggest rule that begin hasn rule unilater action sort myer that doesn can solv problem yugoslavia that number complic option tabl don that don want comment specif option that consid broad categori that thing lift arm embargo bosnian muslim thing that talk broad term thi complic situat option present and consid complic air strike tabl myer that fairli point that that that discuss dee dee ground troop myer ground troop not consid you not you you not announc chang polici you tabl confus unilater action tabl myer can you presid that doesn that act concert alli thi will mean don myer continu consult alli thi continu discuss continu press for action and that clear convers ongo continu work find solut and step thi dee dee alli posit that conduct kind air strike bosnia opposit effect ensur deliveri humanitarian aid that feel that troop ground monitor deliveri that aid becom vulner and bosnian myer not that consist mean not you refer british and french british and french posit that deliveri humanitarian aid jeopard kind air strike bosnian militari differ that myer presid had convers mitterrand and major you that thorough review polici countri and don want comment natur presid discuss that continu consult alli move forward and continu press for action and that process ongo dai vote militari intervent yesterdai presid regard that end line hold possibl unilater action alli plain that not want myer consult ongo that can you thi point you that won announc bosnia todai press confer myer that not intent press confer intent myer opportun question open statement not opportun outlin polici bosnia that will not happen can you subject open statement myer sort gener statement hundr dai you mean myer not long statement mean thi gener don for major polici pronounc you open statement myer perhap todai you certainti that review overrid purpos thi not mysteri not meant question help whether open statement myer sinc major purpos question not complet resolv dee dee polici that expect last week and that white hous you and georg aid czar will announc that todai and delai that myer don meant impli happen don meant impli certainti that thi week come don anticip that happen todai delai isn thi perfect time announc aid czar myer don that delai process ongo find person and background check and make that cross and dot make announc dee dee zoe baird qualif for foreign intellig advisori board and wasn appoint announc myer qualif don specif list check and number peopl board background long histori intellig govern servic broad varieti view across polit spectrum and across background that repres never made formal announc chairman board admir william crow appoint american peopl and senat reject for anoth govern job myer don that american peopl had vote and never reject senat never for hear presid believ compet person that zoe baird you understand question zoe baird presid foreign intellig you never for hear nomin withdrawn public outrag violat feder law myer never never you reject senat simpli point that never vote senat you don that problem myer don problem appoint thi board that fact myer confirm for thi confirm member myer presidenti appoint announc made white hous decis not announc publicli myer didn make announc peopl ask told member board didn make offici announc interest that can put list name don such board member don you matter routin put releas board and presidenti appoint dimens myer not happi put thi isn that standard practic that past practic myer happi put put list member board todai dee dee don want fail you thi swamp laughter want hasn practic thi administr for such announc made routin myer gener not and happi put that todai board titl size board myer roughli dozen member board civilian board retir militari personnel board that provid input into intellig polici for presid chairman that board admir william crow and recommend baird name board myer presid foreign intellig advisori board pfiab qualif that had emploi illeg alien that laughter myer you want answer question you want make joke phrase anoth shouldn thi appoint view pai back for difficulti had coupl month ago myer not experi foreign intellig myer experienc attornei presid believ compet and qualifi and part mission thi board provid civilian input not board suppos intellig expert that not board mission provid civilian input for presid make decis intellig matter believ qualifi compet person enorm talent and that thi figment overact imagin discuss earli abolish presid foreign intellig advisori board myer don decemb announc foreign polici advisor announc that had appoint admir crow head board don earlier that transit myer don announc decemb admir crow couldn announc member paid myer don doubl check anoth subject waco you explain discrep feder report autopsi bodi that come waco and state guess texa ranger report myer inform come feder inform come site discrep and justic depart into offici justic depart told dai yesterdai that bodi found bullet hole discrep that and justic depart into presid involv sort jurisdict morass peopl withdraw charg justic fbi texa ranger grab piec thi myer don that mediat disput mean you intend you level investig ongo and hope that can work togeth agenc offici charg myer don back you that subject matter sundai speech myer fairli gener don specif announc sort topic that talk myer work wouldn for announc drug czar that sort dai speech sort excel adventur for dai laughter myer not exactli bit broader happen last foreign domest myer bit lot domest and overview myer overview specif polici announc agreement forum presid will address gai right march sundai myer will letter read crowd congresswoman nanci pelosi that myer not will you put myer put sundai travel week myer unclear question like myer don like myer myer travel georg mention yesterdai campaign financ reform and nation servic legisl propos week you dai for myer not can you order myer campaign financ reform nation servic week coverag tomorrow williamsburg myer and report aftermath dai myer readout dai readout myer jeff eller will can presid dai don expect photo departur morn dee dee presid not made regular practic predecessor camp david fact onc twice myer twice thi weekend myer two weekend ago you home father law funer that found good experi and nice for spend time togeth famili and thi opportun march noth march myer sinc town sundai morn jamestown you thought make quick pass fly laughter myer fly straight boston fly straight you laughter georg question yesterdai waco presid had tuesdai rose garden that minor disagr tactic militari advisor and fbi and question whether you knew exactli that and whether relat us kind tear ga you answer that myer don check press you end edt
talk.politics.misc	waco investig will hold hear and committe question asker potenti question send richard
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talk.politics.misc	clinton presid press confer white hous offic press secretari for releas april press confer presid east room edt presid terri you question presid grow feel that western respons bloodsh bosnia woefulli inadequ holocaust survivor eli wiesel ask you yesterdai stop fight unit state take unilater action such air strike serb artilleri site presid you for week review option for action and want last month sinc presid work alli and move forward fly zone enforc humanitarian airdrop war crime investig get bosnian muslim involv peac process made progress and tougher sanction resolut and leon fuerth nation secur advisor vice presid europ work implement that that make big differ serbia and review option act lead unit state lead led for last month move coalit and fair alli europ will part and troop ground not act alon unilater will and dai will final extens review and lot time time administr last dai finish that futur and polici and announc and can evalu can follow presid you parallel ethnic cleans bosnia and holocaust presid holocaust level preced peer human histori hand ethnic cleans kind inhuman that holocaust nth degre idea move peopl and abus and kill sole ethnic abhorr thing and troublesom that area peopl ethnic group live side side for long togeth and you stand wrong talk todai troubl that region happi violenc croat and muslim bosnia subsid thi morn and make progress that front serbian and ethnic cleans qualit conflict yugoslavia and part region presid count you not had good week your presid tragedi waco defeat your stimulu bill standoff bosnia you wrong and you differ you thing you reassess laughter presid don that situat bosnia not good week for world don that administr made stimulu packag put into larger context and remind you that thi dai fundament chang direct american govern abandon trickl econom abandon polici that brought debt thi countri trillion trillion decad budget plan pass congress will reduc deficit and increas invest led year low mortgag rate dramat lower interest rate peopl thi room refinanc home mortgag last month had access cheaper credit that put ten billion dollar cours thi economi wai that good for countri and move direct econom regret that stimulu not pass and begun and will continu not peopl administr peopl congress whether differ pass that part reason didn pass polit part differ idea peopl that not need disagre that recoveri economist underwai for two year and had month percent unemploy and wealthi countri troubl creat job idea base argument that wait for lower interest rate and deficit reduct and invest year effect thi sort supplement appropri forward you misgaug that major republican senat sit senat vote for similar stimulu ronald reagan presid and vote time for regular supplement appropri thi misgaug and hope that can learn dai and you governor work contenti legislatur for year and decad polit reform take time chang thing basic feel good happen dai regard congress waco presid regard waco don add want situat look into want bring peopl insight bear that import that thing maintain begin that offend david koresh and not unit state govern respons for fact that bunch fanat decid kill and that kill children presid follow partli helen your stimulu packag and your polit approach capitol hill ross perot todai that you plai game american peopl your tax polici strongli critic your stimulu packag launch advertis campaign north american free trade agreement you handl polit critic will complic your effort hill your econom plan and you plan repackag thing that your stimulu program and resubmit hill presid answer that question revisit that dai talk member congress and can that regard econom plan found that amaz don want into argument perot interest hear specif back and read book and plan remark converg that specif budget cut rais tax middl class and wealthi plan remark similar interest perhap chang posit book last year and idea bring bear glad hear follow sir you plan handl polit critic launch 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option remind you that fair alli had french british and canadian had troop ground justifi worri support airdrop toughen sanction welcom american deleg europ work make sanction work and bite serbia and can you that nation involv genuin reassess posit and not rule fact that can reach agreement for concert action that don critic british french and that that militari action presid lead light your administr rang your fbi director your ambassador your deputi budget director your health servic secretari issu statement last coupl week absolut contradictori posit you your administr that you lose your polit grip presid give exampl exampl judg session that child abus waco madelein albright thi morn newspap that favor air strike bosnia thing you that you didn support presid don that david koresh had sex children that undisput not not disput that come that qualifi child abus and that had peopl teach kid kill that qualifi abus and not critic judg session don exactli term madelein albright madelein 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talk.politics.misc	clinton remark presid waco articl oinnqa life mit edu clinton campaign org white hous write white hous offic press secretari for releas april remark presid question and answer session press edt presid februari feder agent kill line duti enforc law branch davidian compound had illeg stockpil weaponri and ammunit and innoc children risk batf oper had fail meet object dai standoff ensu feder bureau investig made reason effort bring thi peril situat end bloodsh and loss life bureau effort ultim unavail individu deal david koresh danger irrat and insan staci koon lawrenc powel defens decis janet reno and bill clinton thi affair essenti moral equival staci koon reno and clinton advantag that investig gerald
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talk.politics.misc	clinton press brief georg stephanopoulo white hous offic press secretari for releas april press brief georg stephanopoulo brief room edt stephanopoulo you presid come your indulg presid award nation teacher award and teacher leav and make statement waco and coupl question can hold live and that that will work lot you give time that problem two minut warn problem stephanopoulo problem teacher walk and stephanopoulo that work thi that handl can you seri question presid handl notif yesterdai stephanopoulo you for instanc talk justic depart come and discuss had happen waco and whether attornei gener presid stephanopoulo don step even farther back that and sequenc event contact justic depart and white hous you and presid spoke attornei gener sundai sundai afternoon had good discuss minut attornei gener inform presid want rais object had implicit author presid forward rais object forward had discuss gener natur incid yesterdai morn presid spoke attornei gener had discuss happen waco you thi fire broke compound and that confus that confus mind and fire not actual dai spoke number contact number level white hous yesterdai afternoon justic depart and white hous inform decis fbi brief waco attornei gener had press confer presid issu statement that frankli yesterdai afternoon you fair amount confus exactli happen ground waco and that want care not presid had sens happen ground onc fairli clear happen ground waco presid issu statement spoke attornei gener yesterdai even hour that stephanopoulo quit late return holocaust museum tour holocaust museum last night and dinner stephanopoulo briefli dinner and spoke attornei gener last night don exact time rel late and dee dee report that want that thought handl difficult situat that good job tough situat and that and sleep spoke thi morn follow waco and thi afternoon you presid will announc make talk webb hubbel yesterdai last night thi morn stephanopoulo not knowledg webb hubbel point man for white hous 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sundai phone call wasn meet bruce that talk attornei gener georg you that that phone call that want and action you that will forc talk didn tear ga exactli idea approv stephanopoulo approv action increas pressur didn matter that stephanopoulo mean inform term thi proce want not minut minut gener sens stephanopoulo knew that thi recommend ground and recommend law enforc agenc don thi you that thi recommend stephanopoulo action increas pressur don exactli told whether told that tank left wall and punch hole window whether told gener that move forward that increas pressur don hard imagin not ask that janet reno present advic forward agre stephanopoulo gener question advic and recommend gave time and repeat that thi base unanim recommend law enforc agenc involv georg that thi question exactli detail presid inform natur oper come and can you that question and stephanopoulo absolut answer and come back stephanopoulo can you that never meet strategi session you and decid will put written 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investig for wai futur that thi can learn incid thi and can learn handl you talk specif issu press confer wouldn make chang two question white hous peopl media consult thi idea reminisc you gui campaign stephanopoulo think watch clinton nightlin draft stori watch clinton stephanopoulo absolut comparison yesterdai law enforc incid incid end tragic death peopl attornei gener involv that decis attornei gener made decis that felt respons interest public inform and question press order make that question answer and fantast job second question clinton you can you understand sort hard that not ask detail question intend word and put pressur hard not clinton fairli intellig and inquisit ask kind stephanopoulo attornei gener that question gener question don minut minut account convers long convers stephanopoulo minut telephon convers stephanopoulo georg feder cost thi standoff consider term step pressur stephanopoulo don georg you that presid take full respons you refer decis presid not accept fact that command chief ultim decis stephanopoulo don thi command chief thi law enforc action not militari action and take respons for decis law enforc agenc involv govern mean ambigu that accept decis decis differ stephanopoulo matter fact decis not object that decis take full respons georg thi brief minut and you can lot thing can exchang exactli spend minut talk gener that long period time phone convers stephanopoulo aw long phone convers import phone convers brit ask that question and that thing reno last night that buck stop that direct quotat presid agre that thi case stephanopoulo presid accept full respons attornei gener that made decis that accept respons that come and not shrink that presid point convers last night presid and attornei gener thi morn offer resign stephanopoulo not knowledg even fire yesterdai republican capitol hill call for investig white hous concern time request make polit hai thi situat stephanopoulo and don want cast question motiv request investig want investig and full and complet investig forum will you answer brit question will you put written statement will you wire will you answer question that you stephanopoulo not georg can you remind presid yesterdai afternoon and meet involv stephanopoulo and rememb had seri meet member staff afternoon monitor situat waco and get period report that cnn fair amount fbi press brief and report come mack mclarti you stephanopoulo mack talk bruce talk talk georg follow helen question convers thi morn discuss statement last night respons question whether resign don you felt that reassur you that you don thi that come stephanopoulo don even that specif that bulk convers discuss and form investig didn talk kind remark comment last night stephanopoulo ask question and respons presid will stephanopoulo standard respons that cabinet member give mean condit statement talk whether person whether presid want stephanopoulo don talk mean learn convers that larg investig and thi didn come not question talk will you that brit packag stephanopoulo laughter georg for record presid want resign dee dee answer thi morn stephanopoulo absolut not support janet reno good attornei gener good job handl difficult situat extrem georg presid feel that and janet reno unanim profession advic law enforc expert ground stephanopoulo and presid not second guess that decis and recommend that not that doesn regret loss life regret loss life thi situat judgment made difficult situat base inform had georg minut convers sundai that correct stephanopoulo long yesterdai morn stephanopoulo don that question expert that consult expert atf and fbi stephanopoulo you not that expert and weren replac for peopl unit that small stephanopoulo small highli special unit kind thing that investig will examin georg isn factor involv fbi director presid inform doesn ask attornei gener chain command presid talk fbi director thi case thi entir sieg not felt that pick phone and talk bill session waco and expertis and not stephanopoulo talk fbi director begin situat broke waco time attornei gener bear ultim respons and get fulli brief attornei gener don you ambigu situat that director session impact presid brief and that thi evolv stephanopoulo not mean perfectli that brief attornei gener and that attornei gener supervisori author fbi director and that chain command press you end edt
talk.politics.misc	waco burnout articl apr rigel tamu edu mst rigel tamu edu mitchel todd write articl visser convex convex visser convex lanc visser write can wait for investig that dead and place burnt ground guess honest citizen will word atf threat peopl histori koresh and folow captur mount carmel complex yearss ago gun battl rival sect leav person dead weren exactli peac love bunch koresh follow and found innoc charg that shootout you unawar thi you purposli leav thi fact russ anderson disclaim statement and not reflect employ twin jack morri in pitch run world seri mvp
talk.politics.misc	cu health compar harelb math cornel edu misc activ progress moder subject cu health compar paid matern leav cu health compar paid matern leav durat nation provid paid matern leav week countri week countri week unit kingdom germani finland ireland denmark japan franc spain itali netherland norwai sweden canada switzerland austria unit state belgium sourc intern labor organ work and famili child care challeng condit work digest vol februari page number america stand and fall world order andrew shapiro york vintag book divis random hous paperback isbn transcrib jhwoodar joe woodard america land privat greed and public squalor thi book indispens road map wreckag fact reveal will startl you depress you ideal fire you rebuild thi nation robert reich author work nation
talk.politics.misc	clinton remark presid teacher year award white hous offic press secretari for releas april remark presid present teacher year award rose garden edt presid good afternoon seat want delight secretari rilei and senat graham serv governor togeth work constantli strategi improv school led difficult and long effort upgrad standard american educ and improv qualiti instruct children receiv two governor admir that period two stand thi stage teacher year and join that testimoni heard and bill pass and fund rais and alloc come happen teacher and student classroom that todai ceremoni honor nation teacher year import tracei leon bailei recognit across countri for highli advanc and innov scienc program develop and introduc into florida classroom cut edg program molecular biologi and dna fingerprint subject taught colleg and add dimli understood nation capit laughter year hire satellit high school bailei institut had strongest scienc program entir state florida and won numer nation and intern award advanc program aren for favor tracei bailei inspir kind student includ previous low achiev risk reach for excel and attain thi student and countri todai that good futur high wage and rich opportun rest foundat qualiti educ for lifetim basic aren anymor kid compet math and scienc and advanc problem solv that tracei bailei accomplish import and pleas and proud particip recogn and honor accomplish tracei you repres unit state glad recogn you todai and formal present you thi appl award teacher year for applaus bailei you presid great honor and tremend respons repres nation million teacher and support that you shown for educ and forward work you redesign and improv nation school that qualiti children educ will directli impact futur econom and social landscap year come and you for your continu support and commit children educ you applaus presid close educ leader florida repres nation educ group come recogn tracei congressman repres jim bacchu back great advoc educ and remind you that ultim purpos nation teacher year award find for rest express appreci peopl across thi countri give live children teacher thi countri dai and advanc learn for children america wai import public servant you applaus end edt
talk.politics.misc	waco burn interest sometim listen new ey anoth countri world new servic short wave origin london report that survivor waco massacr state that tank make hole wall build knock kerosen lamp and that fire start attempt made peopl insid put fire spread quickli heard similar govern spin doctor censor such inform new report that that di british citizen
talk.politics.misc	waco previou articl ddn cbnew att david nason give break give break chum you tell that clinton and reno not that batf action illeg adn violat warrant part solut not problem problem clinton you part
talk.politics.misc	waco burn previou articl garrod dynamo ecn purdu edu david garrod report that survivor waco massacr state that tank make hole wall build knock kerosen lamp and that fire start attempt made peopl insid put fire spread quickli thi pretti koresh lawyer told remain survivor larri king live addit part unseal warrant mention sure sound batf violat dai
talk.politics.misc	waco burn garrod dynamo ecn purdu edu david garrod write interest sometim listen new ey anoth countri world new servic short wave origin london report that survivor waco massacr state that tank make hole wall build knock kerosen lamp and that fire start attempt made peopl insid put fire spread quickli heard similar govern spin doctor censor such inform cb yesterdai explan reason fire accident didn peopl new report that that di british citizen that true australian group mitchel todd mst zeu tamu edu
talk.politics.misc	phill koresh hitler polic state usa hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write murder polic offic justic perhap hear had fire method bottl and talk death surrend give justif for loonei tune religi stunt phil read your post for month and convinc that you will back matter damag right you will hurt peopl you don peopl that attitud that set precondit for holocaust process that place thi countri even tatter piti remain constitut slow progress thi isn libertarian issu argu that line strictli constitut view democrat gov fbi and batf wrong wrong wrong even reason for arrest koresh that lead death children noth touch your stonei heart wrong matter push button for god sake man your moral back person murder children koresh and brought death deliber you that complet bastard and not nice chap that quit true don pretend nice amateur you want talk polit you talk hard decis such whether live troop risk attempt rescu children held offic presid unit state sinc fdr held threat that usa alli threaten usa risk nuclear holocaust order protect freedom beleiv not that not sort threat that nice chap make gun nutter section version cnd chanc case societi protect madmen such koresh hitler not for consider children question tactic us not matter academ signific not for govt prevent peopl commit mass suicid latest report that cult member shot attempt leav compound koresh loyalist fire proven that entail final nail coffin want promot koresh sort role model hero add that koresh that creat holocaust thi case deliber arson ranch appocalyps thi group religi plinter schismat erect compound and fifti year peac exist commun shoot out each thi make danger prior histori danger last knew nation branch davidian parti blame debacl veitnam foreign meddler and two beer call for round meat packer grower and slaughter hous you want tough polit choic let odd ball odd ball thi requir toler for that into govern peopl skill ith death children get real upset peopl suppos that you children properti state famili custodian state children parent properti you corrupt govern demand that you send you children into tender care suppos that you will obei state and turn you children care not enamour womb tomb cradl that ingsoc gotta beach call chu pyotr pyotr halcyon sometim pyotr filipivich sometim owl april you realiz that thi make twice two month that govern had perfect plan that awri
talk.politics.misc	clinton fact sheet russian statement white hous offic press secretari for releas april background inform advanc relat russia and independ state april vancouv summit presid clinton and presid yeltsin agre pursu number measur design implement econom and strateg partnership and russia sinc presid clinton direct that number step move thi process forward administr announc number step todai order underscor deep commit and closer partnership russia base govern commit reform execut review cold war law presid clinton and presid yeltsin discuss desir review and updat law and regul reflect end cold war congress act revis law reflect fact that communist soviet union replac democrat russia and independ state law and regul remain that languag and restrict that fail reflect end cold war and that unnecessarili undermin relat russia and independ state presid todai order execut review law and regul that and consist secur and nation interest such provis can revis remov ask ambassador larg strobe talbott coordin thi review expedit basi presid that will congression effort thi review proce quickli thi review will weigh consider that pertain revis such provis and initi review remedi circumst that justifi such provis past for exampl russian eager statu chang jackson vanik legisl presid yeltsin person assur presid clinton vancouv that into individu case involv continu restrict emigr russia address such issu thi review can strengthen bond trust and partnership and russia and and independ state review cocom time expediti america alli futur anoth cold war institut coordin committe for multilater export control cocom unit state begun thorough review reorient export control post cold war world russia longer view potenti adversari potenti alli combat prolifer sensit technolog step improv secur relationship presid step move ahead rang effort discuss vancouv that can strengthen secur and improv secur relationship russian and state acceler deactiv nuclear weapon vancouv two presid discuss acceler process deactiv nuclear strateg system schedul for elimin start treati presid clinton direct depart defens complet thi process advanc year reduct period outlin start addit unit state togeth russia and relev state soviet union will explor program nunn lugar acceler thi process multilater test ban two presid agre vancouv that negoti multilater nuclear test ban commenc earli date and that two govern consult each accordingli unit state forward begin consult russia alli and state specif issu relat thi negoti unit state expect start thi consult process two month detarget two presid began dialogu issu nuclear target vancouv unit state and russia move into relationship strateg partnership reexamin assumpt and mean emploi past safeguard secur nuclear adversari administr begin comprehens review measur that enhanc strateg stabil includ recent propos for detarget nuclear missil measur creat secur relationship respons incid involv collis and russian submarin last month secretari aspin will readi discuss wai avoid such incid futur russian defens minist grachev visit unit state late secretari aspin will prepar move forward defens minist grachev develop combin train program two militari forc and prepar for joint exercis peacekeep such that author secur council unit state forward broaden such train and exercis includ peacekeep contributor order improv inter oper readi and plan for multilater peacekeep oper and russia work togeth conven ministeri meet secur council discuss propos for enhanc peacekeep capabl and move consider secretari gener agenda for peac discuss implement phase work russian focu specif improv financ and manag oper purpos initi will cooper peacekeep for particip csce sponsor action multilater and bilater partnership reform final administr continu move ahead rang initi aim strike partnership econom and polit reform russia and state administr continu work partner assembl packag multilater assist that secretari bentsen and christoph recent negoti tokyo and administr continu consult congress effort will assist process reform russia and state administr believ step can increas american secur improv relationship and russia and and independ state
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr misc legal trim articl uqsm encor rcollin encor roger collin write explain mean libertarian style govern last time domin philosophi societi held that kill your neighbor for sport govern system strong tyranni minor peopl kill each domin philosophi societi hold that for peopl steal and coerc each long vote govern machin libertarian realiz thi legal steal and coercion societi societi murder not vote for murder societi coercer not vote for abil coerc libertarian domin philosophi peopl good job restrain govern extent that libertarian domin mean educ peopl becom libertarian that obviou conclus your train logic corollari that wast time for parti run candid educ program shown result followup cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.misc	waco gov fault libertarian parti cia fbi atf articl wkyg dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write raid american properti rumor koresh intent convert amend protect firearm judg approv warrant justifi noth democraci rule law search warrant justifi search and thi search procedur follow rule law constitut not justifi murder attempt mount search for illeg held weapon search execut illeg and violent fashion govt us lethal forc case attempt captur danger crimin arm and threaten live crimin threaten live fire number account thi case us sub lethal forc wrong fire gun lethal forc even hit hit and kill peopl children held hostag adult want various for murder and conspiraci murder you silli such warrant exist phill hundr gov agent tax fund cellular phone ten minut dial for fire depart not call fire dept role for plai situat that rescu shoot call fire dept meant that waco depriv resourc that need situat us arisen phill for anoth exampl that great socialist sensit obei govern die plonk cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.misc	waco burnout rja mahogani crai russ anderson write articl apr rigel tamu edu mst rigel tamu edu mitchel todd write articl visser convex convex visser convex lanc visser write can wait for investig that dead and place burnt ground guess honest citizen will word atf threat peopl histori koresh and folow captur mount carmel complex yearss ago gun battl rival sect leav person dead weren exactli peac love bunch koresh follow and found innoc charg that shootout you unawar thi you purposli leav thi fact fact that koresh and follow involv gun battl control carmel complex that not disput rememb trial authori couldn establish fire big reason aquitt mitchel todd mst zeu tamu edu
talk.politics.misc	not talk soldier part articl trfx csulb edu sichermn beach csulb edu jeff sicherman write janet advic seal delta forc green beret time and talk nice gener thi illeg specif presidenti declar even chang law gener sic militari troop not permit us for domest polic oper you mean nation guard militari reserv nation emerg brett noth passion vest interest disguis intellectu convict sean casei white plagu frank herbert
talk.politics.misc	waco govern respons for death compound that isreali respons for death isreali athlet olymp hei palestinian and dividian peacefulli yeah and monkei fly butt wayn richard
talk.politics.misc	waco burnout doesn respons for assault concern welfar children insid interest flex muscl media reason thi question suppos scenario slightli and had chelsea clinton kidnap terrorist hole compound for dai you clinton reno fbi and atf eager us show forc nuff richard mulac cleveland freenet edu judg outlandish attir sort pontif free think anarchist charl montgomeri burn
talk.politics.misc	janet reno kill waco children articl nap lll winken llnl gov went llnl gov suranyi write thi ridicul can provok consid plai exceedingli minor role person kill ultim respons for action final make sens thi thread alan
talk.politics.misc	janet reno kill waco children articl fern camelot fern camelot bradlei edu jill rosencran write apr ncsu edu dsh eceyv ncsu edu doug holtsing write janet reno kill waco children respons for death resign immedi understood that david koresh madman children provok warn sign and provok koresh into kill children provok koresh excus david koresh kill inhabit that compound not gov offici peopl control koresh kill long time ago refus releas children and hostag you call your comparison thi hear that koresh refus releas fact lot peopl includ children stand you koresh kill follow fbi had had such plan and had place bug koresh attornei thing and survivor claim that fire start gover agent disclaim opinion express mine not employ
talk.politics.misc	waco burn articl nwfocu turmoil halcyon tim crowlei write goykhman apollo red her write articl templ edu templ edu richard hoen write heard that survivor that videotap show that fire start two place weren tank not tape cnn network you film cnn happend clear that tape that fire start locat tank attack and had pull back thi not true cnn pictur show two site and bare distinguish you tape you note that two tower end build big and appear long shot big tower tank front fact tower you can beacus flag foreground switch side pictur left site visibl flame come point obscur small tower you tape and good slow motion video thi phill hallam baker
talk.politics.misc	waco survivor april articl apr big mko dec busta kozmic enet dec write articl segz mwr dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write articl apm apr hpopdlau pwd apm hpopdlau pwd andrew merritt write path dscomsa dxcern mcsun uknet pipex uunet sdd hpscit apm apm hpopdlau pwd andrew merritt articl apr vm ocom okstat edu chorlei vm ocom okstat edu write unrel text delet exactli you and fire engin mile compound gun looni fire vehicl amunit that rang meter crap phil wrong give you clue big fighter aircraft gattl gun us shoot aircraft gun cannon realm had calibr not that phil ruler and exactli big round roughli diamet type stuff us anti aircraft gunneri calibr smaller effect rang sound two confus fbi reason sound note factual wrong tom paul busta busta kozmic enet dec salem make peac revolut imposs will make violent revolut inevit tom hyatt diehard saint fan thyat sdf lonestar org suffer quit you arlington repress python
talk.politics.misc	waco investig paranoia templ edu templ edu richard hoen write can peopl stop batf fbi complet respons cover that investig will show that koresch respons investig thi size fed state and civilian involv investig practial imposs cover place burn ground fbi and compani area cordon and arrest report for site and take pictur your term stori fbi atf and texa ranger decid releas and republican arlen spector call for investig thi isn handl kid glove philadephia cop drop bomb move and manag burn entir neighborhood peopl thing dead men and rubbl tale that polic dont want you can judg real polit mood thi fact that congressperson pat scroder support fbi action televis thi week that cost oper waco valid reason for storm and gass compound
talk.politics.misc	govern ly yesterdai fbi that bodi had gunshot wound indic that shot escap fire todai paper quot medic examin that evid gunshot wound recov bodi begin thi sieg report that koresh had class iii machin gun licens todai paper quot govern didn licens todai paper report that number bodi found shoulder weapon had dy doesn sound sort action expect suicid govern li cover incompet and neglig fbi claim can that ly thi system govern reform clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl apr galileo rochest edu uhura rochest edu tree schnopia write optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl esun gdc piatt gdc gari piatt write ahh good for goos not necessarili good for gander you don want homosexu impos moral code such diabol idea equal right you you will impos your moral code detect doubl standard garison you mean adult want togeth for sodomi privat that busi and that precis your problem queer popul boyo differ privat love andrew simchik schnopia privat and won problem reason that homosexu activist hot antidiscrimin law that want wear that love chiffon even gown work and not peopl disgust wear nambla shirt and not worri get fire access young boi that start make gener homosexu your privaci make sodomi law unconstitut posit that agre privat and won problem clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	freedom associ articl pdb kilimanjaro jpl nasa gov pdb ipl jpl nasa gov paul bartholomew articl philc netcom phil netcom phil ronzon wrote put togeth post disagre kei point post excel engag discours agre wholeheartedli paul you handl thi that you write ballot materi you hope avoid rancor that character debat thi issu not prolong debat thi want respond coupl point you make thi will last post thi don stop equal opportun let call reo involv coercion case definit question your posit that reo that thi lesser foa good question depend that for answer that depend wether not you talk government employ not thi case that absolut discrimin direct indirect period feel thi not offend moral sensibl govern coerciv entiti cannot escap boggl mind that lifetim white drink fountain park fountain for tax garnish support fountain not appli white essenc cannot escap coerciv state even randi weaver pai properti tax hand privat employ not monopoli and busi run and not govern elect turn affair that govern can mom pop foa ibm forc and forc correct word reo case mom pop store foa directli affect individu will associ whomev hire case ibm foa protect not accept that ibm corpor entiti foa mom pop store affect hire isn ibm slipperi slope santa cruz number looni anti discrimin law exist gui su restaur for not hire had imagin kitchen utensil dangl earlob and tatoo distract suddenli arm wave magic landlord not foa and basi foa landlord disappear that vagu term contact tenant suffic basi that landlord contact tenant landlord doesn associ tenant can complain that foa violat lot interact posit tenant guess that that isn issu bui unit anoth town and manag parti that real avers christian stuff that bui into hook line and sinker and lunat schmuck that elect don want fish symbol hang window hous that govern interven eli weizel and rental applic tom metzger forc rent thi distant unit compani fortun for exampl privat own can give you list owner anonym unknown owner publicli own sens that stock publicli trade and that share stock own gener and chang public and neat thing thi that unlik mom pop store you and can bui share ibm and influenc decis make polici don paul good work mark walsh walsh optilink uunet optilink walsh amateur radio aol bigcooki aol uscf worri william gain gonna crush you andr giant
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl rahul net starowl rahul net michael adam write apr gmt theodor kaldi observ alyoung kiwi uc indiana edu ami lynn young leith write can cramer spout homosexu address homosexu men and never post read address lesbian can speak for cramer can that homosexu male anim lesbian virtual noth that analog relat aberr behavior practic two group deviant last time check homosexu men and women human kaldi express slang sens agre not express us thi context prefer engag sexual act peopl gender noth inher wrong trademark behaviour homosexu men homosexu women mind misinform folk clueless folk and bigot make homosexu men and homosexu women anim michael adam starowl rahul net enterpris alabama that homosexu men extrem promiscu and homosexu women promiscu heterosexu women not that homosexu men overrepres child molest child molest homosexu bisexu men homosexu women don similarli repres clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl iva murdoch acc virginia edu lfoard hopper virginia edu lawrenc foard write articl apr romulu rutger edu kaldi romulu rutger edu theodor kaldi write articl apr new indiana edu alyoung kiwi uc indiana edu ami lynn young leith write can cramer spout homosexu address homosexu men and never post read address lesbian can speak for cramer can that homosexu male anim lesbian virtual noth that analog relat aberr behavior practic two group deviant noth your moral that you wouldn wack you didn tape lesbian get closer truth get foard sick thi surpris homosexu lot peopl thi countri not spend time watch pornographi and masturb real live sexual compuls don expect homosexu understand that clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl apr nott eczcaw mip nott wainwright write articl apr romulu rutger edu kaldi romulu rutger edu theodor kaldi write articl apr new indiana edu alyoung kiwi uc indiana edu ami lynn young leith write can cramer spout homosexu address homosexu men and never post read address lesbian can speak for cramer can that homosexu male anim lesbian virtual noth that analog relat aberr behavior practic two group deviant homosexu male chromosom pair and lesbian that price egg sinc cramer straight get thought lesbian major adolesc male view express theodor kaldi adda wainwright dim atal llanw hate disappoint you that not case don lesbian sex adolesc adolesc believ that homosexu learn sinc clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	waco clinton press confer part articl apr edt neat toronto edu quoctp toronto edu quoc tuan pham write notic that clinton smile and make joke thi press confer number peopl kill thi inappropri reno and fbi want remind boss america thug work for govern clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl apr galileo rochest edu uhura rochest edu tree schnopia write optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write us that homosexu havng chanc usenet quit realiz that misl youth homosexu viciou screw evil peopl that load shit you naivet that bozo soc motss character entir populac you live soc for exampl you find almost exclus bunch characterist soc motss fit quit evid that high promiscu child sexual abus histori support for child molest advocaci group nambla etc adjust friendli humanist peopl and case you find that peopl quit persona present usenet for you wonder enlighten human take role hatemong for satir effect doubt hatemong remind peopl homosexu dy such larg quantiti aid sexual compuls prevent keep number sexual partner below digit clue for you not work pass law your name and that make respons suppos kill name clayton cramer that make you murder and don express disapprov make you suspici wouldn moral aren wouldn march parad group that advoc child molest doesn stop homosexu wouldn march parad group that and you talk nambla you find that not advoc child molest you find that vast major homosexu advoc sex adult and children lower limit ag that homosexu don that adult sodom year child molest will truck that group fool march number gai parad countri clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not not member sex can you live such hypocrisi andrew simchik schnopia consent adult want privat govern busi you that want law tell privat quit lump group fact that homophobia evil unjustifi prejudic racism sexism you can reject drewcif noth racism sexism you choos homosexu distast for homosexu homosexu clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl apr galileo rochest edu uhura rochest edu tree schnopia write optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write sigh you absolut polit power whatsoev that true california homosexu power impos moral moral impos you supposedli embrac human treat such don expect hire base sexual orient decid gai staff employe that busi won forc hire heterosexu don forc hire homosexu oppress and and denigr you aren oppress california oppress that you govern busi two consent adult privat you don that hope you don sir heard disparag you polit minor and had shred respect door you insult women and black compar homosexu thi sort crap make fuck sick that can even bring touch you fuckwit perspect valid life experi and true knowledg human condit point convinc you polit that not you met you show willing open mind accept that your stupid gener except you intellectu wast and reason you worst homosexu that you bring worst andrew simchik schnopia and you anoth remind emot instabl homosexu clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	didn come initi gun battl had dai come peacefulli had high price lawyer and judg post had public support can come ration explan didn come even negoti come radio sermon that doesn includ davidian want commit suicid murder gener mayhem richard
talk.politics.misc	janet reno kill waco children articl apr ncsu edu dsh eceyv ncsu edu doug holtsing write janet reno kill waco children respons for death resign immedi understood that david koresh madman children provok warn sign and provok koresh into kill children janet reno fbi noth pawn koresh game madman hurt children and compound matter fbi situat waco similar hostag situat madman hold gun head innoc person such situat person provok madman and pull gun trigger respons for death hostag janet reno blindli stumbl and basic threw tear ga contain madman hope that releas hostag surpris that madman pull trigger respons that kind provoc such hostag situat place numer occas result polic place forc and result death hostag and gunmen thi time heard blame land squar polic thi countri polici not negoti back terrorist and hostag taker sinc that encourag terrorist and hostag taker richard
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talk.religion.misc	mormon and jew articl apr royalroad mlee post royalroad malcolm lee write arm teeth christian not reli physic weapon defend christian reli faith and intellig faith and intellig that druggi break into hous night knife kill for wallet consider persuas devot tom albrecht
talk.religion.misc	satan someon biblic claim for characterist satan thi portion scriptur that you talk isaiah thi speak morn star you babylonian princ turn your attent daniel thi passag concern revel propheci daniel messeng god thi passag messeng god speak fought for week princ persian kingdom thi princ not earthli princ thi princ persian kingdom demon satan hierarchi such morn star can princ babylon can satan anoth passag satan fall heaven ezekiel and separ devil chose becom greater god want sit god throne devil creat beauti angel heaven distinct claim result devil decis make specif desir and physic descript support minor detail that author seldom write unbias account opposit isaiah isa art thou fallen heaven lucif son morn art thou cut ground didst weaken nation isa for thou hast thine heart will ascend into heaven will exalt throne star god will sit mount congreg side north isa will ascend height cloud will high isa thou shalt brought hell side pit doesn sit god throne will exhault throne star daniel dan fear not daniel for dai that thou didst set thine heart understand and chasten thyself thy god thy word heard and come for thy word dan princ kingdom persia withstood and twenti dai michael chief princ and remain king persia dan come make thee understand fall thy peopl dai for vision for dai discuss ezekiel ez son man lament king tyru and saith lord god thou sealest sum full wisdom and perfect beauti ez thou hast eden garden god pre ciou stone thy cover sardiu topaz and dia mond beryl onyx and jasper sapphir erald and carbuncl and gold workmanship thy bret and thy pipe prepar thee dai that thou wast creat ez thou art anoint cherub that covereth and set thee thou wast holi mountain god thou hast walk and midst stone fire ez thou wast perfect thy wai dai that thou wast creat till iniqu found thee ez multitud thy merchandis fill midst thee violenc and thou hast sin will cast thee profan mountain god and will destroi thee cover cherub midst stone fire ez thine heart lift thy beauti thou hast corrupt thy wisdom reason thy bright will cast thee ground will lai thee king that behold thee ez thou hast defil thy sanctuari multitud thine iniqu iniqu thy traffick will bring fire midst thee devour thee and will bring thee ash earth sight that behold thee ez that thee peopl tonish thee thou shalt terror and never shalt thou make claim characterist devil
talk.religion.misc	line copi book mormon can provid ftp site can obtain onlin version book mormon email internet address william moor advanc decis system divis booz allen hamilton softwar engin plymouth street net wmoor ad mountain view
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talk.religion.misc	rosicrucian order sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write don amorc want point that secret organ lead human be and that mean had ehum interest experi rosicrucian rosicrucian sort last sundai had advertis that hold lectur titl graal king room heart rhyme swedish curios lectur peopl apart two rosicrucian woman and two men apart rosicrucian male told rosicrucian and lectorium rosicrucianum found harlem read straight piec paper that point lack experi talk front peopl gui read and us hold speech gui that mystic christian order and that base teach teach kathar english thirteenth centuri gui read piec paper fairi tale teller voic sound load crap that unenlighten made bit suspici that contain divin and find back divin that couldn becom divin person work hard reach etern bliss read raw sound thing talk chapter robot peopl and brainwash your friend prometheu rise interest watch two rosicrucian hold actual lectur top dog and true believ impress that top dog had distanc faith true believ that us gain power and admir spoke fairi tale teller whenev rememb inform brochur home you want address mail ceci ceci lysat liu men jag tycker att emac ett hyfsat lar willfoer emac fairli good oper system
talk.religion.misc	christian meta ethic wrote and that thi interpret twist passag bibl that straightforward read show christian god behav thi articl cass bull ddavi cass bull dave davi write thi requir assumpt that interpret equal valid that distinguish wouldn make that assumpt don reason assumpt follow fact that christian choic interpret stem mix belief that influenc secular ethic cultur and that not fulli determin scriptur whether not interpret matter not christian claim abil read mind god dave davi note that michael state import secular and cultur influenc thi thread michael thi note that thi not point content michael and argu michael claim that christian scriptur open interpret includ wide diverg christian tradit that even import theme vagu not matter that interpret determin that interpret lack object measur not presum lack answer that put forc line argu michael and and read bibl christian glass thing that thi impli that inform even point domin point ceremoni dietari law explicitli abrog text christian glass vari suffici broad rang color that can find that support exampl michael conserv christian gospel differenti you you interpret gospel russel turpin misplac not inappropri michael descript govern equat radic liber impli russel turpin wrong opinion make michael radic that fulli acknowledg that christian scriptur and tradit fail determin doctrin that branch christian hold dear will live and practic religion thi indeterminaci and will acknowledg that understand thing christian influenc idea that not pure christian christian call conserv interpret not recogn unwil admit extent and import thi russel turpin earlier post had that michael michael theolog posit didn christian dean simeon respond thi time gentli you mean direct perhap you possibl mean impli rhetor effort separ michael tradit failur michael tradit your idea tradit doesn includ chang your idea tradit recogn that michael part tradit tradit cover origen aquina jerri fallwel and jess jackson that includ michael siemon not short extra christian principl that make michael christian benefici and suspect benefici perhap moreso filter christian interpret thi conclus not follow even short argument that surpris logic ellipsi conclus follow pure christian principl that michael share christian tradit that can deriv christian scriptur necessarili vagu not drive polit stanc that love neighbor pure christian principl that thi mean show toler for homosexu not polit stanc odd commonli held current christendom and suspect press hand can understand counterpoint that polit stanc becom influenti present thi theolog statement worthi barth turpin wear black robe geneva bare surviv effort finish comput scienc doubt will attempt difficult field time russel
talk.religion.misc	kind and love god mlee royalroad malcolm lee write law written for israelit god chosen peopl god had expressli set apart rest world israelit direct wit god exist disobei god know that god real outright denial god and immedi punish rememb law written for time and appli god chosen peopl jesu chang that live ag grace sin longer immedi punish death repent and salvat lord jesu christ and not for chosen peopl salvat jew and gentil alik thi late for thread thought god suppos constant and never chang you reconcil thi common christian view paragraph you reconcil kind and love god judeo christian view that sin time immedi punish death kill peopl for sin god show kind and love fact longer thi admiss part made mistak that live ag grace thi mean that for sin god damn etern hell die kill immedi thi etern damnat exampl kind and love god curiou dave wood
talk.religion.misc	jewish histori question articl cocoac ksb netcom cocoa netcom write articl apr csi uottawa misrael csi uottawa mark israel write articl cocoac netcom cocoa netcom write delet ti told that testament book translat into greek long time ago that famou version call septuagint translat made greek jew and that origin destroi fire afterward don you refer jersusalem templ destroi manuscript lost extant hebrew manuscript good greek don origin person tell septuagint version that greek had wonder librari alexandria that full manuscript scroll and that burn septuagint version translat perhap conceal version perhap part typic burn valuabl thing that occur power group dunno librari alexandria perhap greatest librari built world greek had love wisdom philo sopho and thi great love reflect alexandrian librari christian hold and began modifi and purg text and moslem invad and christian burn librari fall into moslem hand like sinc book burner not moslem burn sack citi moslem burn tremend amount inform lost destruct librari alexandria greatest crime man man wonder sinc imagin jewish peopl had copi earlier hebrew version hebrew version testament greek deriv version famou discrep isaiah propheci young woman chang into virgin testament writer read not hebrew almah young woman translat hellenist greek partheno not correctli translat into modern and technic english term virgin jew not type virgin cult that greco roman had artemi and diana perhap thi answer delet you jewish bookstor you bibl translat jew will differ interpret text translat basic standard text us christian and jew masoret text jew us text origin hebrew translat you want read origin you can bui interlinear bibl that contain hebrew testament and greek testament english translat written underneath each word you want bibl possibl origin basic text you can find samaritan bibl good luck never samaritan not good samaritan version book mose claim jewish bibl alter ezra propaganda for tip find teach samaritan good samaritan hard find hard finish thi
talk.religion.misc	ld birth church articl acsu buffalo edu psyrobtw ubvmsb buffalo edu robert weiss write church will admit that associ thi make wit each and can decid such case thi unlik church christ exist dai idea apostaci not origin luci smith joseph smith mormon idea restor quit common earli centuri usa alexand campbel founder group that surviv name discipl christ preach that primit church had lost and attempt restor not revel cambellit subsequ mormon includ founder sidnei rigdon you can find such sentiment earli protest reform such martin luther gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
talk.religion.misc	kind and love god articl apr royalroad mlee post royalroad malcolm lee write point make that call christian not christian wow you not call themself christian christian wow that make thing bit complic doesn that you draw your conclus and that good advic revel not model exampl jesu christ not christian for exampl matthew not repent sin and accept jesu christ person lord and saviour not christian jesu that want peopl worship criteria christian you adher ten command
talk.religion.misc	biblic back koresh tape cite enclos rick howtek rick roi write articl oryx alt conspiraci talk religion misc xcpslf oryx stephen favor write koresh kill want lot illeg gun even you true you thi reason deal peopl want lot illeg gun make you that gun illeg understand that had valid class iii feder firearm permit pretti short howitz legal tom gillman system programm aaaaagggghhhh well comput center state univ classic star trek secur syshtg gsusgi gsu edu offic show gsu doesn care internet you
talk.religion.misc	waco inform accuraci rememb that report fbi and that independ observ press not allow close and thing for offici communiqu tend serv for agenc that issu peopl gener tend report and biggest headlin correct overlook exampl fbi report that bodi found rubbl had bullet wound local coron independ fbi found bullet wound
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di brian ceccarelli wrote that kent not accus you evil thing jesu accus you and not you that accus accus you and world guilti whether see light not light noth whether evil thing kent sandvik respond hmm that thi core christian you feel guilti you come kent jesu doesn view guilt modern venacular color feel noth guilt feel aris state guilti feel and guilt mutal exclus feel reaction guilt jesu talk guilt state not reaction give you exampl you made mistak you li even white lie you claim that you didn you hate you selfish you guilti answer you guilti period that jesu get big surpris feel not even enter pictur jesu us word guilt court jesu concern that admit that guilti imperfect bibl call state that sinner bad thing even insignfic thing that wrong proof guilt that sinner natur bad thing sinner bad thing sinner fact not pleasant fact fact not perfect call sinner emot charg you call you human guilti charg and thi singl person that will save you thi univers guilt feel you can handl your guilt two wai acknowledg you made mistak learn and not meantim not punish for jesu you handl thi healthi two destruct put slap and feel crap never forgiv forc thousand hail mari even suicid thi jesu not want deal peopl fall into thi categori extent live jesu not busi save thi guilt feel jesu busi show love despit guilt jesu guilti that isn big deal you realiz that thi sin natur destroi relationship you and that you your compani you immens valuabl jesu relationship you present sin natur incap thi relationship god perfect not you cannot fit squar peg into round hole god provid for chang natur that can relationship god provid jesu that whosoev believ jesu will natur chang holi spirit will move and divin natur live and and god commun each unifi holi spirit benefit thi endless for divin natur live can imperfect can head pass power holi spirit live power overcom shortcom divin natur live can understand profound bibl passag that never understand divin natur live author demon forc and lastli divin natur live etern life for holi spirit etern relationship jesu utmost import not you life that qualifi you belong heavenli kingdom your relationship live god rememb jesu tail end matthew separ goat sheep peopl last dai will didn prophesi your name and miracl and good thing your name and jesu depart for never knew you that cornerston christian kent jesu you friend your relationship jesu your friend and you you will count will share inherit heaven brian will you secret don feel guilti mistak and regret never had thi huge guilt feel hang shoulder good show that you strong imag that you love that second greatest command jesu taught peopl you common english venacular feel guilti mean state guilt thi clear indic that you person type order and adjust religi doctrin and your person type opposit you not that easili attach world view system person lot ego lot centered and lot uncondit love human that subscrib notion nice thing that you final shake thi huge burden shoulder feel relax you state jesu rememb come yoke your shoulder for burden light yoke us direct oxen work onc you relationship jesu you and share yoke and burden life god your side great advantag
talk.religion.misc	robert weiss orthodox christian rick anderson write simpli assum that you refer robert weiss understand biblic scriptur understand read bibl cover cover examin each book cross compar etc and come conclus robert weiss rick not read bibl for written plain english decid for
talk.religion.misc	merlin mithra and magick articl cunyvm bitnet cunyvm bitnet write stuff mithra delet dai dec ahem thought that saturnalia celebr roman that time mithra connect thi
talk.religion.misc	burden proof sometim god believ will maintain that atheism religion post thi group answer that anoth answer assert suppos that don that broken mirror black cat bring bad luck that mean that superstit
talk.religion.misc	rob lanphier brian kendig write you don you fact your religion imaginari you demonstr that you not even religion order make that assumpt offer argument that convinc you don co you don want can present argument you put your hand your ey and devis irrevel excus each time fact remain you want argu that you not you not learn topic you can debat topic bring start thi thread you began pervert bibl vers interpret investig for you desir investig you chang your tune immedi clear you not you don want check you appli equal religion you real you post written you thi your charact brian doesn offend you decid reject jesu christ you make that decis you learn jesu
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di articl apr organpip uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli write kent not accus you evil thing jesu accus you and not you that accus accus you and world guilti whether see light not light noth whether evil thing you made mistak you li even white lie you claim that you didn you hate you selfish you guilti answer you guilti period that jesu get big surpris feel not even enter pictur jesu us word guilt court you world that mean world includ children that not speak alon li jesu you cannot support that refer group peopl somewhat smaller dai christma truelov serv leftov turkei second dai christma truelov serv turkei casserol that made leftov turkei dai delet flame turkei wing pizza hut commerci and tlu gic bait ken arromde arromde jyusenky jhu edu
talk.religion.misc	gospel josephu etc and origin articl apr rambo atlanta wpr atlanta bill rawlin write will agre that creation not taught scienc macroevolut not taught scienc teach wildli specul theori macroevolut explan origin equal time creation qualifi scienc creat philosophi call origin bill rawlin wpr atlanta speak for interest idea thi suggest inspir post titl theori creation collect philosophi creation that awar you explain theori you want taught and you not perhap haven includ favorit theori you describ for for inclus updat list tom scharl scharl irishmv room comput center scharl lukasiewicz edu univers notr dame notr dame usa
talk.religion.misc	object year thi discuss object fall into solips recent challeng frank dwyer for prove that can observ phenomena someon even made statement that scienc subject and that even atom subject thi get bit silli and word object lose mean let start rememb definit object present object adj materi object distinguish mental concept actual exist unenfluenc emot person prejudic base observ phenomenon object thing not base whether agre that thing world object round fact that exist flat earther whether base observ and verifi phenomenon base sole peopl wish feel mental process etc atom base observ and repeat phenomenon consid object subject even weird high energi physic base observ phenomenon even that observ can chang outcom observ phenomenon affect emot person prejudic chemic reaction not chang whim peopl that scienc not object object verifi bit silli that point scienc will agre that scienc not object good will not therebi conclud that scienc not object exampl thing object tractor larger averag breadbox chlorophyl green seawat contain salt exist ozon atmospher present ozon block ultraviolet light ultraviolet light increas incid skin cancer good hand judgement doesn exist apart give can object show exist omnipot entiti defin good cannot quantifi touch collect concret sens bag full good sometim attempt give word good object mean good us denot strength resili speed etc that subject definit not strength and etc necessarili good strength inspir naziism not gener view good moral cannot that moral strictli base verifi observ phenomenon closest form golden rule conclud that not deliber piss peopl will like involv your life manner you won thi verifi you face will retali anoth object fact moral that power group can enforc moral weaker group and can time ignor that form golden rule fear repris whether thi enforc moral good bad quit subject rememb that subject not mean that thing cannot formal state even commonli agre mean that that not verifi observ phenomena physic exist note that not state that such thing object moral that not accept such moral simpli state that evid such moral thing notic object time us synonym true and absolut and subject sometim connot fals and rel tain necessarili for instanc conclus base object insuffici evid can object and fals absolut easi note that can object show that tnt explos that not absolut mean that tnt will explod and object not necessarili absolut hand subject can absolutist true for instanc theist specif absolutist moral even subject evid back scientist and detect motiv subject reason gut feel hunch investig phenomena situat and gather object evid support true hypothesi agre that object evid trustworthi subject evid dave butler start thesi put forward point departur incontrovert express simpl and dignifi diogen
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di articl bskendigc wrsm gyx netcom bskendig netcom brian kendig write long trade secret bad feel heart back christian couldn pinpoint felt dreadfulli cheap and wrong affair had devout follow even bibl banger eventu start ring terribl hollow and felt torn began disagre lot bibl and priest told thi made final realiz that wrong bibl wrong and sinc felt decid start analyz bibl close that catalyst break faith long and difficult effort brian you check your priest told you bibl whether tell you truth you that bibl shouldn even such thing priest anymor you preisthood establish testament begin and reason jesu priest that roman cathol church year devis doctrin transubstanti ignor concept book hebrew you you analyz bibl close you ly for you had you doctrin hell straight your beef jesu specif and point vers
talk.religion.misc	oto ancient order orient templar toni alicea cleveland freenet edu wrote previou articl shade sorinc cutler darrin hyrup thelema lodg don internet address ci address can reach internet guess that ci that compuserv compuserv bounc twice guess thyagi
talk.religion.misc	part don you understand articl apr advtech uswest steven advtech uswest steve novak write david sacco write peopl even rais protest had moment silenc for class member had tragic di thi impli endors religion that possibl exist mean student gave shit moment silenc make sens forc don want particip part reason for organ moment silenc moment silenc doesn mean particip not silent religi reason for moment silenc for dead classmat comfort friend show respect deceas give classmat moment griev togeth give friend moment rememb classmat context school deal fact that classmat that not disrupt blindli oppos flavor religion utterli idiot pro choic anti roe elizabeth bartlei abort safe legal earli and rare
talk.religion.misc	rob lanphier wrote hope that brian will and will ramif truck come hope that brian will want step fear that brian will choos glue middl highwai will run choos choos and noth can that chang mind for choic thi moment brian hasn even that point not want move eyebal appeas head will not turn entir pictur satisfi glimps mountain distanc kent sandvik write problem that you imagin insid thi huge wall unabl realiti imagin you case rel plai big role opposit frame realiti kent regard inform contain bibl origin context thi thread brian kendig insid huge wall brian insid bibl and inform contain wall brian kendig prove thi sad fact absurd thing for exampl into firei pit will ceas exist bibl doesn that hasn clue even jesu hell that exampl your sens kent sens realiti that matter and you and brian rel plai big role perceiv true depend vantag point sinc read bibl and brian kendig show that hasn narrow perspect mine respect knowledg bibl propos brian brian come and thi vantag point brian repli not you content vista stink and meanwhil brian ignor fact that never realiz had share plateau brian stand
talk.religion.misc	biblic back koresh tape cite enclos stephen tice ken mcvai koresh anoth messeng that kill for messag carri noth bar evid contrari that koresh simpli anoth derang fanat thought neccessari bunch folk children and satisfi delusion mania jim jone circa plenti evid contrari six rescu davidian consistantli recount that feder tank knock barrel propan gui haven exactli spend time togeth plot elabor and consist stori contradictori for koresh for mass suicid rememb that koresh death open sixth seal signal that armageddon had begun armi peopl compound fight power evil and win end raptur fire wipe armi read earlier that koresh plan walk compound and blow grenad that jibe teach mean time learn lot evil and corrupt you surpris thing that rotten nope fruitcak koresh demonstr such evil corrupt for centuri you last support gass peopl and burn death for religi belief corrupt evil don never and you start call peopl fruitcak religi belief that dehuman peopl happen german start believ that jew subhuman neat stroke destroi evid that point wrongdo and kill wit includ children last view life choke and pain burn aliv extrem sadden that thi tragedi occur furiou that us monei becom accessori dave criswel and don alibi oracl corpor victim doorstep can justifi famili busi fish
talk.religion.misc	mormon and jew articl tecsun tec armi mil rigg descart etl armi mil bill rigg write second question make gerri that davidian action had anoth type warrant us take guess perhap that koresh had peaceabl serv warrant and not shoot polic fight dai christma truelov serv leftov turkei second dai christma truelov serv turkei casserol that made leftov turkei dai delet flame turkei wing pizza hut commerci and tlu gic bait ken arromde arromde jyusenky jhu edu
talk.religion.misc	biblic back koresh tape cite enclos articl sbctri sbc netd susi sbc write name stephen write for david koresh didn solid structur sound biblic back for hour long tape broadcast don care solid structur sermon tell quit lot man death respons for that concern peopl you spokesman for peopl enclos partial list sourc cite quot exactli us christian sermon pretti good not inspir differ part conclus argument present back thi long work ongo you thought rambl that you koresh you made curiou thi that you don recogn biblic commentari us church languag and such excus seal revel entireti psalm and revel demonstr major point write prophet includ david and psalm and revel tell stori you understand relat kei larg explain each charl manson us revel pattern koresh like beatl you miss point that prophet psalm and revel togeth provid rich view special event wed koresh nut found wai for bibl backup rant not make kook you make such conclus note that part revel make clear that address church that doesn hurt propheci ahead time for church koresh anoth messeng that kill for messag carri type thi slowli that you can understand set fire told follow don make martyr not kill kill you interest investig conclud and final judgment mean time learn lot evil and corrupt you surpris thing that rotten evil insid compound that thou shalt not kill stuff for war and govern yeah last point for believ philippian for rest you post text glad you ask sinc goof philippian niv chain brother lord encourag speak word god courag and fearlessli true that preach christ envi and rivalri good will love know that put for gospel preach christ selfish ambit not sincer suppos that can stir troubl for chain matter import thing that whether fals motiv true christ preach and thi rejoic comment stem realiz that love lord human and imperfect preach matter eloqu corrupt differ master voic will recogn gem stone amidst rock such lesson stumblingblock for ear hear stephen
talk.religion.misc	biblic back koresh tape cite enclos articl apr math tcd pmolonei math tcd paul molonei write cotera wood ulowel edu rai cote write david thibedeau cult member that fire start tank sprai tear ga into facil knock lantern two place onc bit coincid that never live countri year ago had place had carri propan month hook bottl copper line suppli stove and type water heater call flash heater flash heater pilot lamp point davidian had propan tank hook copper such line run ceil space fbi start wreck place easili ruptur line start spread overhead and sinc countri home wasn necessarili built flamabl insul plausibl that fire start result accid will neglig part fbi manslaught that tank hadn us that dai fire wouldn start fault fbi had fact that respons for death li koresh paul fact
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli write your beef jesu and foremost honestli not that jesu man live and di two thousand year ago your bibl wonder stori thing and simpli not that exist entiti that bear thi univers live and similarli not that god that you worship exist exist period view religion gener and christian specif cultur viru that pass gener gener peopl afraid for and claim respons for fate brainwash and children into believ popular myth and and eventu christian becom peopl don life death that die die bring mean and purpos life meantim don that good thing humbl and view pride sin pride moder construct thing noth wrong homosexu and noth inferior women and priest lost lot trust patronizingli explain fault opinion don love peopl never met show respect love and admir not easili earn and not feel guilti deni respect and consider abus you want your religion bit stop show bibl make sens start show that thi jesu person influenc life earth brian kendig sui fait comm aucun bskendig netcom ceux que vu os croir etr fait comm aucun ceux qui exist mean life vaux pa mieux moin sui autr that end rousseau
talk.religion.misc	apr god promis proverb tongu that bring heal tree life deceit tongu crush spirit proverb niv
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talk.religion.misc	histori text ancient refer christian articl ztju fkx new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write toss info jesu realiz toss contain miracl reason toss gospel almost univers primari sourc inform jesu curiou mike cobb refer toss testament undoubtedli naiv atheist thi phrase question suggest that cobb ascrib thi broadli perhap question that get heart matter for naiv believ outnumb nonbeliev naiv and critic gospel not gospel truth that faithfulli record happen two thousand year ago thi easi answer and answer noth miracl text thi critic reader myth naiv believ that take text measur set criteria and confirm text histor valid toss text suspect thi myth come histori present primari and secondari school text vest author and writer such josh mcdowel pretend present histor argument line for religi program fact text us primari and secondari school histori class toss even such text not treat authorit descib and josh mcdowel not histor argument bit keister twice present barest outlin view text and us studi histori text histor valid text put thi anoth never notion histor valid that make sens appli text second text read tell gospel truth histor event that student wont read histori text primari and secondari school text thi includ your favorit author histori text histor fact text written person group peopl for purpos text can serv histor evid question can learn text interest thing text provid evid diari follow maharishi oregon histor evid gospel histor evid letter offic particip vampir inquest eastern europ histor evid modern american histori textbook that whitewash great american figur histor evid histor evid thing not evid that maharishi oregon levit that jesu resurrect that vampir exist that great american figur squeaki clean learn school evid that peopl maharishi late oregon levit that earli christian thought jesu resurrect that peopl eastern europ vampir return grave and that educ system that larg prefer spread myth teach histori draw causal connect and infer piec histor evid text evinc thi complex question that easili summar answer book subject part subject enjoi david hackett fischer historian fallaci good antidot uncrit easi read text present histori rel cheap easi read give russel
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talk.religion.misc	natur light articl ursa bear halat pooh bear jim halat write delet light anoth exampl two theori particl and wave each fail predict behavior light point particl wave delet your inform thi topic date quantum electro dynam qed consid light particl experiment verifi decim digit precis test condit afraid that thi case physic commun decid laymen consult qed strang theori light and matter richard feynman and for technic mind feynman lectur physic feynman leighton and sand excel volum case close uunet tektronix sail mikec cranford uunet tektronix sail lab tek mikec princip troll arpa mikec sail lab tek relai net resid skeptic csnet mikec sail lab tek teklab tektronix
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talk.religion.misc	behav waco read suggest you understand sort behavior that connect waco tragedi strongli recommend read propheci fail leon festing henri riecken and stanlei schachter harper torchbook long explain belief system can strong withstand even overwhelm disconfirmatori evid read chapter interestingli branch davidian had root seventh dai adventist movement sda had root millerit movement half centuri movement that expect end world disappoint not place and wound church bill you meet buddha net put your kill file robert firth
talk.religion.misc	kind and love god articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write articl apr royalroad mlee post royalroad malcolm lee wrote and not scriptur that man hour come not even angel heaven father plai god break seal kill and follow btw god save children heaven place faith faith tool for emot purpos due tragedi such fill get tire children dy pain sudan due lack food and assum that god take suffer heaven pain death children not fed fault that you and plenti food tabl starv that god gave thi earth manag don good job consol for suffer children that will receiv into kingdom heaven will never thirst and never hunger peac you malcolm lee cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	koresh doctrin articl ebn dscomsa desi hallam zeu desi write articl apr mnemosyn edu clavazzi nyx edu doge write delet vast quantiti carefulli annot spew david koresh don rest you tice hobbi spent last summer tell doubt word great perot that bigot perot basher moment chicken quiet for bit and back perot enter thi rumour that loresh fact surviv fire secret hideyhol and rose dai spirit fbi agent and dispos order prevent cult hah author mine that koresh whoop time share condo dalla elvi jfk and bob dobb own place and texa for koresh sight weekli world new and nation enquir come month doge south loui dobb approv media conspir step sundai loui commun radio you pai you bob dobb
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talk.religion.misc	kind and love god articl jjowk quack kfu pharvei quack kfu paul harvei write you adher ten command jesu and peac you malcolm lee
talk.religion.misc	messag for you presid you happen articl apr utarlg uta edu zaw utarlg uta edu stephen write articl apr ccsvax sfasu edu gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu write articl apr ccsua ctstateu edu pari ccsua ctstateu edu write told friend mine two week ago that koresh dead fbi and batf not man that live testimoni stupid and li delet you figur pretti question plan for month thi import govern seal warrant koresh and second amend plai devil advoc moment didn expect find you devil role stephen time that men soul call month plan intellig collect paperwork and interview month understand doubt thi account for signific amount time govern effici spend tax dollar seek absolut minimum such event gut instinct hand care preplan demon such extent attack mesh restrict gun control legisl that agenda dai fit pattern increas govern interfer person religi belief randi weaver trial import justifi budget quarrel big bang theori apt appropri time don possess singl motiv warrant seal jeopard govern case public warrant undermin govern case sinc make claim illeg action feder judg had reason seal remind senat frank church remark that secreci trademark totalitarian govern rare suffici motiv seal warrant nation free peopl exercis oversit system bureaucrat rule set for such incid comput program debug period us fring area hostag rescu program charg and can held respons can argu irrefut logic long suspect that govern becom mindless machin and you and confirm worst fear becom beast that program simpli kiss toe and you your piec pie suspect bug program aris agent love thi critter independ thought gener speak protect job budget and paycheck and watch termin wait dai for hostag come home iran gave peopl dai di alamo di that dai waco seed for republ and for rev and peopl and kindr and tongu and nation dead bodi dai and half and not suffer dead bodi put grave burial that bodi wit will properti state typic bureaucrat delai rev and that dwell earth rejoic and make merri and send gift anoth two prophet torment that dwelt earth stephen you sens that rejoic stephen joe gaut super state not gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu matter happen rememb alamo truth govern choos rememb waco you justic happen jim garrison orlean
talk.religion.misc	messag for you presid you happen articl apr utarlg uta edu stephen zaw utarlg uta edu wrote articl apr ccsvax sfasu edu gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu write articl apr ccsua ctstateu edu pari ccsua ctstateu edu write told friend mine two week ago that koresh dead fbi and batf not man that live testimoni stupid and li delet you figur pretti question plan for month thi import govern seal warrant koresh and second amend plai devil advoc moment call month plan intellig collect paperwork and interview import justifi budget warrant seal jeopard govern case exercis oversit system bureaucrat rule set for such incid comput program debug period us fring area hostag rescu program charg and can held respons balonei programm peopl decid action govern program fault you neglect mainten your car and steer you respons for death kid sidewalk your car subsequ drive gene battin battin cyclop iucf indiana edu sig
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talk.religion.misc	mormon and jew hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write articl wcscp cunew wcscp superior carleton mike richardson write lot good point mormon found father great religi freedom histori read form opinion that left for not practic religi freedom practic religi intoler bzzt you for plai you confus puritan pilgrim found father differ year and cultur phill hallam baker phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man
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talk.religion.misc	theist and object can theist object can imparti question truth scriptur will assum superstit parent question found case that theist will stick kind superstit wonder god and scriptur christian jew muslim and theist alik assum that mother and father aspect that god exist and that belief search for god occasion theist switch religion aspect religion major belief that creator univers exist muslim onc christian and vice versa christian onc jewish and vice versa and even christian becom hindu transit faith anoth thi belief form higher child brought time born theist brought notion truth kind scriptur bibl torah qur etc told thi wondrou god wrote inspir scriptur prophet talk scriptur miracl perform etc told that question thi children apt sin crime god and lose belief scrip ture truth damn soul hell time read scriptur for belief truth ingrain mind matter doesn stop onc child read for endeavor inculc child read scriptur concentr pleasant read gloss wors and explain unexplain mysteri circular argument evdent fact and truth unreason belief and fear hell meat religion child eat dai doubt mean wrath sort and child learn put brain matter concern god thi consider effect child that becom adult superstit taught imposs remov thi lead whether theist can object question god hell heaven angel soul and rest can for moment put thi notion that god exist and unbias point view theist can somewhat present mythic god homer roman egyptian etc can put assumpt god exist and question imparti stephen atheist libertarian pro individu pro respons and that jazz
talk.religion.misc	apr god promis psalm look and lighten and face not asham psalm
talk.religion.misc	robert weiss orthodox christian articl librba byuvm bitnet librba byuvm bitnet write rick anderson write robert you make refer orthodox belief and thing held that kermit thread exact bodi theologi you draw for you call orthodox orthodox compound word come ortho straight true and doxa opinion doctrin teach us orthodox refer teach teach deriv let god speak bibl thi can read simpl truth scriptur and bibl interpret bibl that hold that luke meant you meant that appar read scriptur that pertin luke record christ promis repent thief hung adjac cross you todai you will paradis not that christ rose dead and ascend heaven christ not heaven sundai repent thief answer li locat paradis jesu di appar paradis not exalt heaven easter dai jesu refer middl stori rich man and lazaru abraham bosom godli beggar lazaru carri angel deceas luke abraham bosom refer place soul redeem wait till dai christ resurrect not lift heaven section hade hebrew sheol reserv for believ had di faith not admit into gloriou presenc god heaven price redempt had paid calvari even that preced presenc jesu back glori father doubtless infern paradis that soul jesu and repent thief repair each di fridai afternoon sundai risen christ had appear mari magdalen john and two companion matthew glori inhabit infern paradis includ abraham lazaru and repent thief read ephesian christ ascend high led captiv captiv gave gift men vers continu ascend mean that descend lowest part earth hade vers add descend ascend heaven led band liber captiv hade popul preresurrect paradis glori heaven whenev your person interpret biblic passag challeng your respons that bibl order truth biblic thing differ you that thi character faulti whenev person interpret question give reason for that thing differ put forward valid differ and can discuss you notion that differ view bibl legitim for stuff that glean put forward contrari view and perhap can discuss that topic decri that put forward put forward discuss and dismiss put forward give credenc alleg view that put forward simpli contenti simpli assum that you understand you that that drawn scriptur wrong show scriptur wrong simpli state that view not proof show scriptur and can robert weiss psyrobtw ubvm buffalo edu
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di articl apr organpip uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli wrote kent not accus you evil thing jesu accus you and not you that accus accus you and world guilti whether see light not light noth whether evil thing hmm that thi core christian you feel guilti and thi singl person that will save you thi univers guilt feel brian will you secret don feel guilti mistak and regret never had thi huge guilt feel hang shoulder thing happen wrong will learn mistak and thi clear indic that you person type order and adjust religi doctrin and your person type opposit you not that easili attach world view system you jesu point christian not perfect nonchristian not perfect nonchristian not want come into light jesu will problem live and will not sight ugli thing fallen jesu perspect you you want ignor you you brian kendig you want ego vers truth you choos that don and frankli speak don care life fun recogn that not perfect that not hinder healthi and inspir life human that subscrib notion nice thing that you final shake thi huge burden shoulder feel relax cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	rob lanphier articl apr organpip uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli wrote hope that brian will and will ramif truck come hope that brian will want step fear that brian will choos glue middl highwai will run choos choos and noth can that chang mind for choic thi moment brian hasn even that point not want move eyebal appeas head will not turn entir pictur satisfi glimps mountain distanc problem that you imagin insid thi huge wall unabl realiti imagin you case rel plai big role opposit frame realiti cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	kind and love god articl apr royalroad mlee post royalroad malcolm lee wrote not that come abolish law prophet not come abolish fulfil you truth will clarifi earlier quot god law origin written for israelit jesu chang that fact make law applic peopl not jew gentil part kingdom heaven save grace god never that law made obsolet jesu wasn jesu chang rule game quot paul cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	kind and love god articl apr royalroad mlee post royalroad malcolm lee wrote and not scriptur that man hour come not even angel heaven father plai god break seal kill and follow btw god save children heaven place faith faith tool for emot purpos due tragedi such fill get tire children dy pain sudan due lack food and assum that god take suffer heaven pain death cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	univers and black hole year iastat edu warren vonroeschlaub write that drop marbl into black hole race faster even horizon curv space caus excess graviti object approach event horizon travel integr curv time reach event horizon infin math that noth can enter black hole thi not correct event horizon not center black hole distanc escap veloc equal speed light that event horizon finit radiu keith
talk.religion.misc	univers and black hole year salem pangea stanford edu bruce salem write thi zeno paradox zeno paradox resolv show that integr infinit seri decreas term can sum finit result noth can black hole escap veloc speed light don time dialat can prevent matter spiral get event horizon can explain matter get suppos probe emit radiat constant frequenc black hole closer event horizon red shift increas period longer and longer never stop observ not observ probe reach event horizon detect energi probe decreas wouldn vanish exp never quit reach guess doesn make thing clear hopefulli you will gener idea keith
talk.religion.misc	mormon and jew articl jut ccc amdahl agr ccc amdahl anthoni rose write don necessarili agre pat robertson will judgement seat eventu and judg fail thi earth god peopl choos and want worship not read command appar you haven command doesn forbid worship god yahweh top totem pole carl lydick internet carl sol gp caltech edu nsi hepnet sol carl disclaim hei understand vaxen and vm that paid for understand astronomi pure amateur level below directli relat vax vm don hold organ respons for relat vax vm you can hold respons for organ had noth
talk.religion.misc	mormon and jew articl rdlsf agat berkelei edu isaackuo skippi berkelei edu isaac kuo write hmm polic strategi burst weapon drawn mark offic and yell polic repeatedli thi us dai bust drug hous idea aw suspect into submiss surpris and displai firepower order avoid gun fight for not knock sad necess case sinc suspect will attempt escap even fight thi strategi work didn wouldn us commonli us convoi carri brigad visibl for mile reach place that search carl lydick internet carl sol gp caltech edu nsi hepnet sol carl disclaim hei understand vaxen and vm that paid for understand astronomi pure amateur level below directli relat vax vm don hold organ respons for relat vax vm you can hold respons for organ had noth
talk.religion.misc	anoth assert macroevolut articl apr rambo atlanta wpr atlanta bill rawlin write macroevolut not observ action chri colbi exampl speciat due respect chri plant exampl gave not consitut macroevolut put anoth incred huge number event bring life homo sapien directli observ special creation not observ action bill rawlin assert that man creat present form not count creation put anoth incred amount speci planet speci directli observ creat god god bill rawlin wpr atlanta chri colbi email colbi bio edu boi you descend long line determin resourc microscop tadpol champion kurt vonnegut galapago
talk.religion.misc	gospel josephu etc and origin articl apr rambo atlanta wpr atlanta bill rawlin write macroevolutionari tree full hole show intermedi form reptil and bird you ignor that you never heard archaeopteryx bill rawlin wpr atlanta special creation theori noth hole show speci poof into exist your god never thi chri colbi email colbi bio edu boi you descend long line determin resourc microscop tadpol champion kurt vonnegut galapago
talk.religion.misc	branch athiest cult rawlin debunk creation excus length thi post for person reason length articl innqfk ctron new ctron king ctron john king write scharl lukasiewicz edu scharl write for your inform check librari congress catalog and list book franci hitch discov anthopolog parallel discuss fundi main tactic discredit sourc shrilli bleat barclai claim bogu mckenzi arguement sham oehler posit speciou jouon idea fiction darbi fraud howard counterfeit rotherham claim vapid ahha branch athiest zealot hitch claim bogu gorman argument sham jastrow posit speciou stanlei idea fiction durant fraud thorp counterfeit hoyl claim vapid wit found major religion delet perhap instruct origin post had articl apr new edu scharl lukasiewicz edu scharl write articl dglinnkv ctron new ctron king ctron john king write iastat edu warren vonroeschlaub write webster heard franci hitch not answer evolutionist such informationless phrase paleontologist and author neck giraff quot jack for your inform check librari congress catalog and list book franci hitch earth magic neck giraff darwin wrong pendulum psi connect world atla mysteri signatur extrem care thi post not not factual made judgement hitch qualiti quotat attribut not read book list glimps briefli earth magic noth that care comment sole respons inquiri warren hitch and your assert that paleontologist not whether not paleontologist not claim thi list public decid impress that includ branch atheist basi thi post that impress mistaken you that implic offens and clarif your post tom scharl scharl irishmv room comput center scharl lukasiewicz edu univers notr dame notr dame usa
talk.religion.misc	part don you understand panix ml panix michael siemon write apr midwai uchicago edu eeb quad uchicago edu elizabeth bartlei write can oppos amen that doesn requir oppos moment silenc peopl propos moment silenc sham sneak prayer oppos hell prayer public school thi question devout christian michael you type hell and capit boot peter nyiko will explain that you not real christian back viciou circl guarante you peopl want school prayer aren back can even manag quiet moment for kid prai silent kid can bloodi prai god damn time want and noth heaven earth govern princip offic can prevent deal prayer silent burst into shema yisrael prayer constru disrupt audibl prevent prai public school even prevent masturb studi hall bzzt michael nyiko inquisit point that hell bound mildli scurril pun reveal oneself admit masturb shock
talk.religion.misc	tie abort health reform clinton nut exuptr exu ericsson patrick taylor sound board write articl new cso uiuc edu parker ehsn cen uiuc edu robert parker write read thing pretti hot stuff appar you didn read thing you continu miss point skinner csrd uiuc edu gregg skinner write parker ehsn cen uiuc edu robert parker write delet soapbox pai for legal procedur gov monei govern pai for counsel that abort altern govern pai for adopt fee govern pai for thing that make abort not legal procedur counsel that altern abort bias counsel that abort inform provid counsel that will give woman find comfort your adopt fund idea good idea feasabl hell involv that good ski resort give pai for abort wrong and won pai for gripe not for make unlaw spend monei save live bunch investig and court hear and thi crap spend time you clean thi abort stuff lawyer pass law make adopt cheaper easier and infinit support birth mother erad stigma reduc cost pai price for life make adopt easier birth mother reduc abort will not elimin for abort not mother can care for child and doesn feel good give stranger abort mother can not afford pregnanc soapbox person that not interfer right anoth person cool you troubl defin term that statement get peopl agre for exampl perceiv not particip feel murder don govern hand sinc troubl prove that murder stop choos legal mean harass persuas allow watch that line persuas and harass second part definit person simplist explan that person member societi normal adult human be good exampl peopl children two year peopl simpl determin thi that you can convers complic that desir spend time explain you read thread bodili autonomi import for explan and justif your definit authorit for whoe sure you can understand definit equal consider justifi human automat make valuabl and that includ unborn govern refus fun abort due qualm minor popul pai deliveri babi mother want abort not afford and that babi will requir care for year true that fix part problem clinton medic program underwai address thi cheaper long run save live will product member societi plan work not guarante becom product member societi even that year futur burden societi matter mother forc carri pregnanc term critic time life prevent product member societi refer minor that object abort not object feder fund admit not and apolog for that refus fund abort remov that choic women and add addit burden societi for reason thi flaw logic born disfigur face and want cosmet repair discriminatori that cannot make that choic and you pai for that person make choic not impli legal that foot bill sic for that choic thi foot bill will choic will choic will choic can afford choic pai choic cost choic will cost and hell lot for year sound realist for will pai for peopl happen not choic peopl happen not choic pai for that and paid for for year even mean spend lot monei can conscienc refus pai for and perfectli legal hasn fund past fund peopl object don idea tax monei pai for choic refus fund women can afford choic will forc choic will cost monei don reason monei spent effect remov person choic women altern fund that mother choos will fund and even that mother choos women will choos and that will save had spend your tax not rais fund choic you object lower will fund choic that legal despit your object your tax not you point amount that save that area can anoth massiv debt you disagre give reason that abort legal and abort support major popul not justifi refus abort women can not afford will simpli requir even greater fund for deliveri you forc refus pai tax remov choic women you object legal medic procedur object procedur irrelev uncl bill doesn pai for breast augment facelift etc abort elect surgeri procedur you mention cost monei save procedur that requir road fact addit cost road thi quit case abort for your argument you entic young girl kill babi make afford and refus make altern afford you guilti remov choic withhold fund poor girl pregnant and abort feder fund gonna choic your plan your kind doubl talk make ill thi bullshit not refus make altern afford refus pai for expens choic birth your statement make sens that not case doesn clinton block fund for pre natal care and deliveri left health care plan object quit surpris pro choic pro abort fit your case not your definit for reason you you gonna fund choic you fund you stupid fuck want fund choic you not fund choic imho fund adopt choic mean not throw monei cut cost esp legal cost won abort anymor your humbl opinion wrong even easi adopt fact that pregnanc take month month young woman get educ finish high school enter colleg finish colleg get job thing that harder you break for month thing that massiv impact futur product life fetu not person you can not convers kill mental incompet peopl don sinc can convers you can convers mental incompet and even you person refus convers peopl you don for convers not for convers fetu not biolog independ son ag week breastf and not bottl biolog independ mean happi punch definit full loophol biolog independ extent you consum nutrient and digest normal manner breath air fetu hand get nutrient digest mother get oxygen mother that not biolog independ awar question aha you admit question you will kill even awar suggest you your viewpoint awar part make member societi minim conceiv requir peopl that awar import justifi suffer true member societi ask haven real justif for life sentient creatur worth suffer sentient haven read respons thread ask experi real world make person thi true quit unix programm can program unix lot experi real world rob
talk.religion.misc	rfd misc taoism articl apr megatek tim megatek write not limit misc taoism philosophi don limit discuss degener into big amorph glob hmm you taoist impos limit you that question properli fall into categori gener metaphys prefer misc taoism deal close topic and work close associ semi orthodox taoism establish classic work includ and work mantak chia argu tend bit critic stratif taoism tend frown suggest that orthodoxi classic special place tao neo taoism exclud group mean thi humpti dumpti taoism taoism mean poster mean thi alt taoism refug for debat taoism mean specul sexual alchemi etc debat taoism mean you suggest that word for and work thusli not you happen that that term taoism complet pollut and trivial word magic alchemi zen etc writer appropri word mean want thi spate ag book entitl tao thi that and you clear idea word mean can you tao comment idea forward balanc misc taoism rip and chip fall wonder idea get fill colleg freshmen ask tao sex will failur and peopl will post group you choos defin failur that defin flesh and appetit hear and feel miracl and each part and tag miracl walt whitman
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di articl ymir fne blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write you world that mean world includ children that not speak alon li jesu you cannot support that refer group peopl somewhat smaller that even infant cannot speak even child will rebelli stick finger light socket even child will not want diaper chang even child will fight nap time jesu ruler ask jesu good teacher inherit etern life you call good jesu answer good god alon ken book roman state that born sinner not grow into sinner sin sinner common mistak even christian circl revers true for sure you grew you parent you not inherit appear sin natur human even born innoc can sin natur will sure manifest explic get older for sure grow hair head and teeth mouth will show sign innat sin rebel mommi and daddi that loud proclam
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl hkv horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write thi quit emploi forc peopl immor period time time oblig thi immor thing for reason preserv and bear moral consequ that sinc statement intent and purpos effect thing you two statement that us forc situat moral and not moral effect thing you tag intent and purpos you thing delet that two statement effect thing and save coupl trip round thi loop notic that oblig us forc preserv can choos not preserv point pacif you conced your point word oblig strongli impli that sometim us forc rephras give you distinct you mention you pacifist not even etc you thi two statement moral and immor you decid two statement moral immor conflict and effect thing prescrib that pretti good indic and thi case don prescrib thing fair confus thing that somtim oblig real mean that never oblig and lead precis thing statement doublespeak lead you thing differ motiv pacif don lead pacifist thing that not true you formul pragmat belief minimum forc and pacifist minimum great close forc that belief not forc immor period tend pacif you don us forc immor minimis us you don that immor period frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon
talk.religion.misc	albert sabin articl houinnop titan uc umass edu cma titan uc umass edu colin write start read thi newsgroup and haven thread curiou thi thread start albert sabin and chang into sabin that initi religi discuss colin variat thread variat time great that speciat occur albert sabin common ancestor thread speciat separ topic subscrib recent albert sabin exist that time clue origin abiogenesist answer point that evolut aimless albert sabin evolv into religi discuss unexplain rich fox anthro usouthdakota
talk.religion.misc	branch athiest cult rawlin debunk creation articl innqfk ctron new ctron king ctron john king write scharl lukasiewicz edu scharl write for your inform check librari congress catalog and list book franci hitch discov anthopolog parallel discuss fundi main tactic discredit sourc shrilli bleat possibl parallel stem your tend us bad sourc don you that similar shallow you surfac argument and you perhap deeper and find differ for exampl find whether you can find real scienc hitch you can will you admit that your attempt quot author backfir thoma kettenr dan kaiserslautern germani johann scotu eriugena greatest european philosoph centuri that reason and author conflict reason prefer and that doesn sound reason you you accept
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write referr creation evolut time and question point view deriv direct observ can scientif controversi concern consequ truth truth side hold philosoph outcom and can wonder point view human natur make that know anyhth object knowledg inher subject context you stand base you true you want true and can you differ translat paragraph uninform evid for evolut send talk origin faq subject thoma kettenr dan kaiserslautern germani johann scotu eriugena greatest european philosoph centuri that reason and author conflict reason prefer and that doesn sound reason you you accept
talk.religion.misc	theist and object trajan cwi unomaha edu stephen mcintyr write can theist object can imparti question truth scriptur will assum superstit parent question that theist object and throw notion that god exist and start scratch prove that scriptur truth that person longer theist child brought time born theist brought notion truth kind scriptur bibl torah qur etc told thi wondrou god wrote inspir scriptur prophet talk scriptur miracl perform etc told that question thi children apt sin crime god and lose belief scrip ture truth damn soul hell time read scriptur for belief truth ingrain mind matter you miss peopl convert theism theism brought theist household don statist that interest thing that religion crutch peopl natur afraid unknown and unexplain peopl don want that die dead finish that noth that and religion kind nice fantasi religion describ thing don univers thing scienc not describ and peopl feel secur that thi thing and will that watch higher power and minion thi high psycholog attract for quit peopl and peopl will put discrep and hole belief system for gain thi kind useless hard convert theist atheism happi fantasi and feel that peopl will happi can accept fact that peopl accept harsh realiti that run get kind carri point that theism doesn ingrain into child mindset for that person grow theist thi happen theism design attract atheist libertarian pro individu pro respons and that jazz nanci you and author thi quot send email andrew cmu edu you million and half you nyc
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral oxymoron articl anarki tch org melchar anarki tch org melchar write thi long figur that aluminium side refer railwai line perhap mail repli never find norman
talk.religion.misc	christian law clarif articl kow mailer fsu edu dlecoint garnet acn fsu edu dariu lecoint write jesu jew not christian christian mean believ divin jesu safe that jesu christian dai christma truelov serv leftov turkei second dai christma truelov serv turkei casserol that made leftov turkei dai delet flame turkei wing pizza hut commerci and tlu gic bait ken arromde arromde jyusenky jhu edu
talk.religion.misc	mormon and jew tue apr gmt fcrari ucsu colorado edu frank crari pmy vivaldi acc virginia edu pete yadlowski write pmy wonder busi follow christ pmy weapon didn christ discipl arm selv shortli crusifict exact quot line you sell and bui sword you purs christ not that come send peac earth not send peac sword for come set man varianc father and daugher mother matthew thi sword that jesu brought sword word god divid that and not even famili mark mark towfiq busi urgent towfiq microdyn fax towfiq justic medford earth countri and mankind citizen baha llah
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di articl apr organpip uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli write even born innoc can sin natur will sure manifest explic get older you admit newborn innoc you cannot sinner top thi claim that newborn sinner despit not commit sin odd dai christma truelov serv leftov turkei second dai christma truelov serv turkei casserol that made leftov turkei dai delet flame turkei wing pizza hut commerci and tlu gic bait ken arromde arromde jyusenky jhu edu
talk.religion.misc	ancient refer christian albert sabin ren morrow stanford edu salem pangea stanford edu bruce salem write articl ztju fkx new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write toss info jesu realiz toss contain miracl reason not toss sourc regard unbias and independ thi bring anoth never understood ask thi onc and interest respons didn satisfi not consid good sourc thi literari histor question studi histori look for firsthand origin sourc write paper topic look wrote topic group for group etc topic and not write bar theistic respons bibl divin inspir can adequ argu wouldn for peopl at work walk talk etc event wouldn report heard second hand guess isn firsthand second hand bia and winner write histori doesn principl firsthand appli mac michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu can explain chesterton
talk.religion.misc	burden proof note talk origin remov crosspost thi had busi place aurora engr latech edu rai engr latech edu write make statement that god exist love etc insist that you that place burden proof you not achiev you don want argu point you state you bother state you insist that god doesn exist that place burden proof you read alt atheism faq find give proof give testimoni belief feel interest even listen will respond proof that you attempt disprov belief won task imposs and don place even bother chang disprov your belief mat strong apatheist andtbacka disclaim great young and insan
talk.religion.misc	robert weiss orthodox christian articl apr organpip uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli write rick not read bibl for written plain english decid for that impli singular translat bibl differ choic word and can lead interpret btw you read koran veda etc plain english translat decid for
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di articl apr organpip uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli write you shouldn matter you evil thing good thing meaningless end rob bank you dislik that dirti rotten slime bag restrain you gener reciproc
talk.religion.misc	rob lanphier articl apr organpip uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli write brian doesn offend you decid reject jesu christ you make that decis you learn jesu you reject buddha you you learn buddha make decis
talk.religion.misc	davidian and compass articl jut ccc amdahl agr ccc amdahl anthoni rose write sure you not equat david koresh christian two not compar not
talk.religion.misc	cybel and transgend sexual charl hope write rome attack barbarian for advic oracl and worship cybel and you save cybel quintessenti wiccan goddess and son lover atti yucki idea you book phrygian neolith matriarch societi catal huyuk turkei worship black stone that kaaba mecca ring bell carri rome save hannib respons relat name cybel and phenemenon sibyl your paragraph understand that islam found remain goddess cult two muslim not hear that you get interest roman call great mother magna mater reason mari statu europ black prob connect that aba mecca cent suprem goddess lyon franc atti castrat and form into pine tree worship mar rome ecstat cult priest wore drag work danc and castrat order initi live live women wore make and jewelri and bit such primit transsexu india that castrat thing medit forget book that that except that weird russian romanian cent xian cult that kind castrat forget name respons love detail refer explor thi issu extend examin zuni berdach zuni man woman will rosco univers mexico press interest thing procur detail refer ecstat cult rome india russia romania christian exhibit type transsexu transvestit male femal expect will found for your interest post charl will love come you law abyss thyagi nagasiva thyagi houseofkao abyss hous kao ironwood san jose nigri divin web telnet seismo soar cmu edu
talk.religion.misc	ancient refer christian albert sabin had gain claim account event nmot respect case and point resurrect claim that resurrect happen earli preacher convert christian you read mathew and case for resurrect saint walk jerusalem and appear peopl you realiz that historian josephu for report happen fact that bibl speak event such great magnitud that notic fact that not report historian mean that bibl contain made stori
talk.religion.misc	waco inform accuraci articl mflinnak crcni unl edu unl edu edgar pearlstein wrote exampl fbi report that bodi found rubbl had bullet wound local coron independ fbi found bullet wound cnn last night saturdai found bullet two corps head that that bullet aim kill human cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di articl apr organpip uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli wrote hmm that thi core christian you feel guilti you come kent jesu doesn view guilt modern venacular color feel noth guilt feel aris state guilti feel and guilt mutal exclus feel reaction guilt jesu talk guilt state not reaction give you exampl you made mistak you li even white lie you claim that you didn you hate you selfish you guilti answer you guilti period that jesu get big surpris feel not even enter pictur jesu us word guilt court thing and regret and learn lesson two aspirin good talk your wife week vacat cure for group therapi strang religion cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di articl apr organpip uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli wrote christ greek for messiah messiah mean annoint annoint mean rub oil anoint impl consecr major prophet daniel word messiah daniel chapter close you analyz bibl you didn past word catalyst break your faith priest interpret bibl for you you berean paul teach act brian thi mean that you vers ancient greek hebrew and arama order understand core christian hope you not cathol christian upbring base teach luther and core messag basic that you don latin order learn salvat btw your statement elimin christian world cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di articl apr organpip uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli wrote articl ymir fne blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write you world that mean world includ children that not speak alon li jesu you cannot support that refer group peopl somewhat smaller that even infant cannot speak even child will rebelli stick finger light socket even child will not want diaper chang even child will fight nap time boi small babi and figur brain power month cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di articl ldt blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde wrote articl apr organpip uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli write even born innoc can sin natur will sure manifest explic get older you admit newborn innoc you cannot sinner top thi claim that newborn sinner despit not commit sin odd thi implic that order for sin month babi forgiv for jesu find thi bit amuz cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	christian meta ethic russel turpin wont rais interest issu struggl christian text and christian hope for simplic not lukewarm stew detect inevit result divin mix bunch loser such human perhap deadlin two week respons for prevent good conscienc write consid respons and fulli enter frai can briefli two command rule rule that vagu that practic devoid mean thi point for net browser read book pursu throughli kaufmann critiqu religion and philosophi command love your neighbor can view part remind man that not god and cannot act ultim respons thi theolog statement worthi barth turpin wear black robe geneva tradit present interpret believ suppos interpret love neighbor rule and reli god make thing come precis wrong for man assum such ultim respons onc confront good sound goo that mean reader mean thi requir assumpt that interpret equal valid that distinguish wouldn make that assumpt don reason assumpt and that thi interpret twist passag bibl that straightforward read show christian god behav thi michael and and read bibl christian glass thing that thi impli that inform even point domin point ceremoni dietari law explicitli abrog text drive russel turpin point adequaci begin text matthew and damnat thi part discov move post ml radic christian that gospel michael conserv christian gospel differenti you you interpret gospel russel turpin misplac not inappropri michael descript govern equat radic liber impli russel turpin wrong radic conserv sadli lack number present thoma merton radic even conserv wai franci radic similarli exampl need ml don and myriad christian ml you christian michael question get heart matter klingon two heart metaphor not mix extraterrestri russel turpin earlier post had that michael michael theolog posit didn christian dean simeon respond thi time gentli you mean direct perhap you possibl mean impli rhetor effort separ michael tradit failur michael tradit your idea tradit doesn includ chang your idea tradit ironi that noth christian per that michael can us support lesbian and gai can answer thi stai gener issu side interpret fenc michael thi issu noth hideou overstat vers refut offer two paul peopl jesu christ male femal galatian don quot singl vers rule and don carri head and noth separ glori god roughli roman russel promis convert base vers promis full context for that requir short extra christian principl that make michael christian benefici and suspect benefici perhap moreso filter christian interpret thi conclus not follow even short argument that surpris logic ellipsi dave davi ddavi bull opinion activ alon qotd wild beast trap cage not fierc christian each julian apost
talk.religion.misc	koresh doctrin articl watson marin sce carleton watson sce carleton stephen watson write question for you fundamentalist stephen tice cotera joe gaut apolog mislabel you start read sinc disast cotera fundi and defend koresh and belief exampl true christian persecut big bad secular state your opinion report sexual habit report accur iyo thi qualiti christian alleg part big cover you steve refresh accus christian hope evid can garner convict not you mean fundi part term fundamentalist wide varieti you refer jesu messiah and son god and follow plead guilti matter roman circu lion satisfi for emperor long and gruell struggl sens crowd tire and gave thumb respect previou comment david koresh urg you examin previou post you mistakenli assum that defens koresh person belief and express impli agreement koresh theologi understand detail branch davidian teach and regret hung that aspect tragic event past dai koresh sex life interest feder govern hillari had molest infant true even such alleg not fall jurisdict feder govern state and local matter and review local level proper author success charg levi american law innoc american presum innoc proven guilti that supppos demon and propa gandiz power machin lust beast and deserv ill fate bring evid trickl that twenti children left build earli dai sieg carefulli examin qualifi author for evid physic sexual abus and found deguerin attornei met davidian time conflagr report that children adjust and show sign abus ultim steve heart david koresh quit unimport todai benevol hand wise and merci judg will dai sure judg withhold judgment david koresh and defer knowledg meanwhil clean mess left earth and thi happen send strong messag govern respect inalien right peopl serv joe gaut remain deliber neutral fire wouldn put past koresh torch place hand propan tank accid stori correct wouldn put past fbi cover ass claim koresh hope your govern thorough investig debacl and disappoint head don roll author botch origin raid and matter fire guilti misjudg reckless endanger steve watson watson sce carleton carleton univers ontario thi opinion opinion assert thi opinion carletonu opinion touch make burn life bolt blue touch you bruce cockburn
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral frank frank dwyer write specif relativ conclud two peopl grotesqu disagre wrong and sometim perhap rare pretti good idea wrong never inform make guess make decis idea moral judgement meaningless impli that whether peac war meaningless question and not discuss for correct answer short posit assert nice point view you relativ conclud peopl involv argument person observ arguer mathew
talk.religion.misc	univers and black hole year articl cvpinnkv ctron new ctron king ctron john king write iastat edu warren vonroeschlaub write that drop marbl into black hole race faster even horizon curv space caus excess graviti object approach event horizon travel integr curv time reach event horizon infin math that noth can enter black hole isn that variat achil turtl paradox state that achil never possibl overtak turtl deal man convinc that act god will and jokk fore believ that you favour stab you back voltair
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talk.religion.misc	that kill sword kill sword articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write articl uvvd gdd murdoch acc virginia edu rwd poe acc virginia edu rob dobson wrote unhappi suspici that fbi dismiss hand chanc that accident set blaze mean guess suppos that ram modifi tank into wall build and inject toxic gase into build routin procedur wrong core point and that children di and koresh open door and ask children thi happen you blaim fbi atf presid clinton satan pepsi coke you can avoid fact that singl action save small children dread and pain death koresh allow children and adult leav compound sieg didnt children leav dont and havent heard answer thi simpl action not attack compound modifi tank prevent thi tragedi bet you blame move peopl for death that occur adjac row hous philadelphia not govern drop firebomb legal freedom
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write frank you didn realiz you involv debat opinion and each entiti frame opinion express don state dread word sometim correct that moral object wrong drag word for your part you that relativ true that your opinion folk heat belief relativ matter tast fair you calm impress that you don care notion object flavour frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon
talk.religion.misc	koresh messsag dear netter wonder accid koresh heard explan explan your opinion and believ kindli koresh talk messag main reason that govern war koresh that due tax payment advanc for your histor explan kaamran
talk.religion.misc	recent ask interest question god live assum god infinit wisdom made perfectli clear that don live rule will burn hell can god make that desicion for sake argument that god creat directli indirectli doesn matter happen that creat and turn lose didn creat make analogu scientist creat uniqu live creatur happen even patent expect behav matter die god impos rule can god righteou god like christian flock sheep unabl that follow rest hmmmmmmmmmmmm want point that thi not sarcasm mean deal man convinc that act god will and jokk fore believ that you favour stab you back voltair
talk.religion.misc	ceci rosicrucian adventur toni alicia write start name rosicrucian long time come conclus that differ member rosicrucian bodi and rosicrucian you that you met rosicrucian you mean member group that call rosicrucian that your observ suggest respons thi make sens thi true religion differ member group peopl call hindu christian pagan and social group tend make import requir not belong religion find that ideal describ holi text religion can interpret similar wai that presum that mystic core religion and huxlei perenni philosophi great secret core mystic trad toni prefer you state front that lectorium rosicrucianum confus reader thi newsgroup rosicrucian order amorc base usa jurisdict san jose thi org member last time look member not necessarili mean respons true didn group call rosicrucian that didn associ amorc heard hubbub golden dawn and rosa cruci relat western esoter group hadn heard rosicrucian admit bia live san jose toni you trust you that that lectur class had present amorc that you had impress you had posit impress like neg imho respons thi slightli met rosicrucian and coupl friend amorc stori heard and slight contact had not give hope that receiv kind warm that peopl involv stratifi relationship monogami religion etc deep pain and hope heal such cast toni curiou that order usa claim sectarian respons address order call rosicrucian and nonsectarian thi nonsectarian mason requir that member god definit toni don noth fundament wrong contain divin and don phrase etern bliss respons alon divin toni btw read intro letter lrc will mail you free charg respons address phone number group into network will love imagin import knowledg albert einstein thyagi nagasiva thyagi houseofkao abyss hous kao ironwood san jose nigri divin web telnet seismo soar cmu edu
talk.religion.misc	robert weiss orthodox christian articl vgyd acsu buffalo edu psyrobtw ubvmsd buffalo edu robert weiss orthodox compound word come ortho straight true and doxa opinion doctrin teach us orthodox refer teach teach deriv let god speak bibl thi can read simpl truth scriptur and bibl interpret bibl for etymolog lesson orthodox mean you avoid question bodi theologi your version orthodoxi come you simpli that you understand bibl orthodox that hold that luke meant you meant that appar read scriptur that pertin you mistaken sinc peopl read bibl and not agre you thi point onc robert your interpret correct orthodox whenev your person interpret biblic passag challeng your respons that bibl order truth biblic thing differ you you notion that differ view bibl legitim for stuff that glean put forward contrari view and perhap can discuss that topic decri that put forward put forward discuss and dismiss put forward give credenc alleg view that put forward simpli contenti thi string began respons your attack mormon attack your person belief your tendenc present orthodoxi don care you bibl don present you person understand orthodox simpli assum that you understand you that that drawn scriptur wrong show scriptur wrong simpli state that view not proof show scriptur and can never attack your specif belief that your approach rememb state that peopl depend sole bibl view proof that bibl can interpret wai point specif your belief your busi don pretend that your person intepret and care cry heresi base your privat belief system robert weiss psyrobtw ubvm buffalo edu rick anderson librba byuvm bitnet
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral frank frank dwyer write articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write frank frank dwyer write thi mean that moral system you manag thi object frame refer faster bullet snail come you can answer that einstein prove that isn object frame refer not that einstein prove you not agre premis and prove not appli realiti such thing exist prove you can answer and your answer gener true similarli moral relativist will not judg moral system anoth circumst thi not preclud judg moral system anoth specif set circumst preclud set moral relativist collect judg moral system set circumst agre and even that statement assum object realiti independ belief you explain thi that statement you talk and weasel word you us describ that frame refer isn object realiti for valu can pars object realiti for valu you object realiti for valu valu real even face disagr don quit you assum valu you mean moral valu case you mean real real moral oppos unreal you that moral system your opinion you infinit regress infinit regress extrem finit you not justif for that moral system terrorist inferior that man peac that not can provid justif for assert that moral system terrorist inferior that man peac can provid justif work circumst similarli can provid justif for assert that bullet move faster snail that justif won hold frame refer will hold almost frame refer like your not make and that your premis not mine don agre thi make point view and premis argument invalid not make your point view never claim that fact don even claim that you exist point view mathew
talk.religion.misc	robert weiss orthodox christian articl apr organpip uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli wrote understand read bibl cover cover examin each book cross compar etc and come conclus robert weiss rick not read bibl for written plain english decid for curiou christian read book base critiqu religion classic text such ag reason pain myth maker jacobi sometim good your enemi and you want research you understand side and not sole and cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	rob lanphier articl apr organpip uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli wrote kent regard inform contain bibl origin context thi thread brian kendig insid huge wall brian insid bibl and inform contain wall brian kendig prove thi sad fact absurd thing for exampl into firei pit will ceas exist bibl doesn that hasn clue even jesu hell that exampl your discuss that you oper your refer frame insid and two polar view for statement insid bibl thing not that clear don indic for instanc job testament book that talk satan job line rest book and chanc that ad thi book into group scriptur your sens kent sens realiti that matter and you and brian rel plai big role perceiv true depend vantag point sinc read bibl and brian kendig show that hasn narrow perspect mine respect knowledg bibl propos brian brian come and thi vantag point brian repli not you content vista stink and meanwhil brian ignor fact that never realiz had share plateau brian stand thi oper you understand mind atheist agnost case radic relativist you don understand underli concept pretti hard continu dialogu not perfect christian year christian teach provid pretti good pictur christian mind frame cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	davidian and compass articl jut ccc amdahl agr ccc amdahl anthoni rose wrote hard time understand that christian word compass christian you action todai produc good pictur your religion sure you not equat david koresh christian two not compar thi option sect caus harm label cult cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	kind and love god articl apr royalroad mlee post royalroad malcolm lee wrote articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write faith tool for emot purpos due tragedi such fill get tire children dy pain sudan due lack food and assum that god take suffer heaven pain death children not fed fault that you and plenti food tabl starv that god gave thi earth manag don good job consol for suffer children that will receiv into kingdom heaven will never thirst and never hunger agre your point and glad hear that you subscrib notion secular human human help human hope for deux machina solut for faith you us such construct dampen your anger sorrow cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	mormon and jew articl tredysvr tredydev unisi tom tredysvr tredydev unisi tom albrecht wrote articl apr royalroad mlee post royalroad malcolm lee write arm teeth christian not reli physic weapon defend christian reli faith and intellig faith and intellig that druggi break into hous night knife kill for wallet consider persuas devot word faith stronger faith god provid miracl for follow interest david korresh god couldn us lightn semi automat rifl even didn trust cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	christian law clarif articl aig blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde wrote articl kow mailer fsu edu dlecoint garnet acn fsu edu dariu lecoint write jesu jew not christian christian mean believ divin jesu safe that jesu christian label origin christian not paulin christian sad that origin church lost game cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	burden proof articl aurora engr latech edu rai engr latech edu bill rai write note followup alt atheism talk religion misc talk origin delet make statement that god exist love etc insist that you that place burden proof you insist that god doesn exist that place burden proof you give proof give testimoni belief will respond proof that you attempt disprov belief you statement and give author fact will respond ask you you aren oblig your intent convinc that statement true burden proof you you give testimoni your belief you egotist care surmis burden proof you you that you true chri faehl cfaehl vesta unm edu
talk.religion.misc	mormon and jew capser you deceiv everon into think that dai saint undergon undu persecut year for believ religion perhap you happen mountain meadow massacr and kill that blood aton doctrin command brigham young don you toni you you add lot casper doesn frustrat you intellig thought peopl you prepar for mormon missionari your rant you talk noth make truth background falsehood sic toni john redelf cleveland freenet edu opinion tent pend data
talk.religion.misc	mormon and jew dic hertz njit edu david charlap write govern believ koresh knew seal apocalyps and order invas that dead and unabl talk public seal bibl knowledg seal that koresh fbi kill publish bibl stori seal bound leak assum for moment that fbi believ bibl and afraid seal that god open seal not prophet koresh
talk.religion.misc	mormon and jew word faith stronger faith god provid miracl for follow interest david korresh god couldn us lightn semi automat rifl even didn trust cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net hand defend miracl god help haven you heard that john redelf cleveland freenet edu opinion tent pend data
talk.religion.misc	religion form sign give anoth interpret odl adam and ev stori michael
talk.religion.misc	religion form sign jim kasprzak kasprj isaac rpi edu wrote articl wqc rpi edu weinss ec rpi edu stephen andrew weinstein write begin thi world religion us net major recruit medium even thi religion not found member will import histor thi method solicit membership will eventu becom common kibolog chop liver kibo sum kibolog not religion candi mint and floor wax person that spam clear you check alt religion kibolog kibo religion slightli older make sens and slack send monei kibo will pai you worship funni doesn paid live capitaland heart empir state jim kasprzak comput oper rpi troi usa understand and sympath your motiv detail thi war your infatu mail kasprj rpi edu kasprzak mt rpi edu andrew bulhak acb yoyo monash edu david koresh fri for your sin monash uni clayton victoria australia
talk.religion.misc	ancient refer christian albert sabin articl ztju fkx new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write toss info jesu isn treat reliabl singl uncorrobor sourc inform person for evid realiz toss contain miracl reason you mean you contain mirabl open mine and not damn thing happen special thi jon
talk.religion.misc	ancient refer christian albert sabin articl new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write ren morrow stanford edu salem pangea stanford edu bruce salem write articl ztju fkx new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write toss info jesu realiz toss contain miracl reason not toss sourc regard unbias and independ thi bring anoth never understood ask thi onc and interest respons didn satisfi not consid good sourc contradict fact for exampl jon
talk.religion.misc	knock mormon and jew isaackuo skippi berkelei edu isaac kuo state repli delet articl knock search arrest hmm polic strategi burst weapon drawn mark offic and yell polic repeatedli thi us dai bust drug hous idea aw suspect into submiss surpris and displai firepower order avoid gun fight for not knock sad necess case sinc suspect will attempt escap even fight thi strategi work didn wouldn us commonli gener knock raid preserv evid drug can flush toilet not standard arrest violent felon bank robber search preserv evid will surround dwell and order suspect come hand suspect not come tear ga will us comment omit point that valid strategi us dai don substitut strategi capabl apprehend potenti danger and arm suspect you suggest not method apprehend crimin that polic knock gun holster and never arrest suspect allow inspect offic badg polic apprehend potenti danger and arm suspect can ident you suggest can can fake competit danger method obtain evid that destroi warrant serv normal danger arrest cop charg into room and don safer surround place and announc even you deadli enemi pretend cop that not excus murder polic case almost paranoid delus deadli enimi pretend cop cop not cop identifi polic offic drug dealer and profession crimin awar likelihood arrest system work arrest call lawyer post bail and hope for plea bargain pull gun and shoot cop raid will charg degre murder surviv raid drug dealer gun for protect custom and crimin not shoot cop cop shot knock drug raid crimin aren awar that cop knock raid home occupi crimin like end disast mom and pop citizen that not commit crime that break into hous cannot cop noth wrong mean defend that housebreak crimin not cop cop and homeown die report waco state that atf had warrant search for illeg weapon and arrest warrant illeg weapon found thi case knock warrant not call for difficult flush gun toilet atf surround compound mark polic car driven entranc and uniform offic knock and serv warrant usual thi had happen and and koresh refus warrant drove cop gun point folk quiet rod anderson nzo not unit state govern boulder respons for fact that bunch rcander nyx edu fanat decid kill satellit nzo slick willi compassion
talk.religion.misc	histori text ancient refer christian articl psilink robert knowl psilink write date apr russel turpin turpin utexa edu diari follow maharishi oregon histor evid you confus bhagwan rajneesh maharishi mahesh yogi chanc bhagwan oregon roll royc maharishi mahesh yogi found transcendent medit and yogic fly stuff bhagwan group commun free sex kind thing had beard bhagwan bhagwan jon
talk.religion.misc	koresh doctrin articl apr ccsvax sfasu edu gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu wrote stephen annot studi david koresh sermon doesn bother probabl that care review stephen obviou expenditur thought effort provid addit insight into david and love for god soul rest peac and whether not agre point theologi review like provid signific insight into love for god thing that appar even cursori read koresh messag that not loonei tune portrai fbi filter press report quit possibl friendli likeabl person attornei report state that davidian cult not associ christian read post and even convinc that davididian christian natur sometim make sens label cult ugli handl cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	robert weiss orthodox christian articl librba byuvm bitnet librba byuvm bitnet write robert you make refer orthodox belief and thing held that kermit thread exact bodi theologi you draw for you call orthodox that hold that luke meant you meant whenev your person interpret biblic passag challeng your respons that bibl order truth biblic thing differ you simpli assum that you understand rick can safe robert not person understand bibl and leadership ld church historicli never person interpret and trust put orthodox mormon never confus orthodox christian attack christian mormon apostl bruce mcconki thrash dark identifi elohim and jehovah and show relationship promis messiah christian wrong that jehovah suprem deiti god father and that christ into mortal begotten son mcconki state mormon todai truth matter that elohim father and jehovah son awar astrai religi intellectualist defin god come surpris learn that thrash dark identifi elohim and jehovah and show relationship promis messiah sectarian even that jehovah suprem deiti son into mortal begotten concept that god spirit thi misinform god heaven untru fact and attest holi writ that elohim father and that jehovah son born into mortal lord jesu christ promis messiah promis messiah notic that mcconki christian wrong god and belief that god spirit understand elohim and jehovah examin mcconki attack and valid read statement mcconki and mormon sourc word elohim and jehovah mcconki state chief design christ that preserv for testament that ancient work publish exalt name titl jehovah promis messiah elohim plural word us exalt name titl god etern father usag that connot supremaci and omnipot god god mormon doctrin agre mcconki question elohim and jehovah apostl jame talmag state elohim understood and us restor church jesu christ name titl god etern father firstborn son spirit jehovah begotten flesh jesu christ jesu christ doctrin exposit presid and twelv apostl mormon church state that god etern father design exalt name titl elohim articl faith christ preexist antemort unembodi state jehovah articl faith todai mormon leader teach that elohim refer god father and jehovah refer christ mcconki attack christian for jehovah can refer father stress that two name titl not chang that christ call elohim and father call jehovah father elohim not jehovah jehovah christ and christ jehovah and person promis messiah kjv bibl hebrew word elohim us refer true god fals god and goddess and judg israel refer true god elohim translat capit refer fals god and goddess and judg israel translat small translat time judg exod onc judg sam twice mighti gen exod onc angel onc godli mal onc great gen and onc great sam word jehovah tradit pronunci tetragramm yhwh yhvh vowel point word adonai peopl true pronunci tetragramm yahweh yahveh sinc jehovah yahweh word us mormon thi section will us jehovah yahweh examin valid claim mormon leader that name jehovah unlik elohim never us fals god person name triun god bibl kjv jehovah render primarili lord sometim god and rare lord that understand word elohim and jehovah and us mormon leader apostl mcconki attack christian for believ father jehovah prove that jehovah refer exclus christ mcconki cite vers bibl vers and mcconki interpret will examin whether rememb mcconki father not jehovah elohim exampl involv mcconki interpret thi vers state spake david tongu touch holi spirit and testifi lord lord sit thou hand make thine enemi thy footstool two lord involv speak greater make provis for triumph and glori and messag contain thi messian propheci christ lord ask detractor end mortal ministri son christ son god born divin parent will men mortal son mortal father that descend david matter great pride jew and answer son david david son and lord irrefut logic and complet discomfitur ask doth david spirit call lord lord lord sit thou hand till make thine enemi thy footstool david call lord son that son david that great king act inspir call lord and worship such and add lord spake david lord can question jesu interpret word psalm that mean father son elohim jehovah sit thou hand your mortal ministri will rais you etern glori and exalt you will continu sit hand forev promis messiah emphasi ad agre statement mcconki remark mormon pamphlet mormon christ read lord elohim father lord jehovah son bracket origin mcconki state that elohim father speak jehovah son thi psalm hebrew word translat lord becom appar that lord not father father jehovah mcconki wrong psalm read lord jehovah lord adon sit thou hand make thine enemi thy footstool lord thi vers jehovah mormon christ not father second lord hebrew word adon singular for adonai mean master lord lord father and second lord son father jehovah and son adon father not jehovah mcconki claim lord jehovah son adon father jehovah thi psalm and son adon anoth exampl involv isa mcconki state lord call thee righteous isaiah quot father christ and will hold thine hand and will thee and give thee for coven peopl for light gentil isa promis messiah emphasi ad mcconki father speak christ thi passag read lord jehovah call thee righteous and will hold thine hand and will thee and give thee for coven peopl for light gentil isa mcconki lord refer father and thine and thee refer christ lord speak jehovah mean mcconki wrong speak father jehovah anoth exampl involv vers mcconki state psalm that laugh scorn shoot lip shake head trust lord that deliv deliv delight fulfil jesu hung cross found word chief priest mock scribe and elder save cannot save king israel come cross and will trust god deliv will for son god thiev crucifi cast teeth matt promis messiah emphasi ad read follow that laugh scorn shoot lip shake head trust lord jehovah that deliv deliv delight mcconki vers had fulfil jesu hung cross that mean person scorn vers christ lord trust jehovah father anoth exampl involv and mcconki state refer conniv and conspir plot incid lord arrest and judici trial propheci counsel togeth devis life role juda conspiraci psalmist mine familiar friend trust eat bread hath lift heel promis messiah apostl mcconki psalm refer christ arrest and judici trial and mcconki quot vers vers will includ give complet understand matter for heard slander fear side counsel togeth devis life trust thee lord jehovah thou art god elohim mcconki vers refer jesu christ vers that christ trust lord call god elohim mormon teach that god jesu elohim father vers reveal that elohim man jesu jehovah father mcconki quot vers two vers will consid thi examin yea mine familiar friend trust eat bread hath lift heel thou lord jehovah merci and rais that requit mcconki state that vers refer juda role christ death sinc juda familiar friend lift heel pronoun mine and vers refer christ notic that begin vers chang pronoun thou refer lord jehovah pronoun and refer christ us that mean christ speak jehovah father vers anoth exampl involv mcconki remark great messian propheci spoken mouth david lord hath sworn and will not repent thou art priest for order melchizedek promis messiah mcconki admit thi messian propheci involv christ question thi vers refer christ lord jehovah hath sworn and will not repent thou art priest for order melchizedek lord jehovah refer christ mcconki and jesu jehovah father not lord refer christ address priest forev order melchizedek bibl reveal that refer jesu christ heb lord jehovah father anoth exampl involv isa vers mcconki state aton sacrific futur messiah isaiah lord laid iniqu pleas lord bruis promis messiah emphasi ad mcconki rightli vers refer aton sacrific futur messiah fail mention that prove that father jehovah vers read sheep astrai turn and lord jehovah hath laid christ iniqu and vers read pleas lord jehovah bruis christ lord laid christ iniqu and bruis god father call jehovah vers rememb mcconki state that sectarian even that jehovah suprem deiti and that christ into mortal begotten son call thi concept misinform that untru prove that mcconki misinform and believ untruth two scriptur refer sam will examin mcconki state scriptur midst passag that messian lord seed david will father and son sam second psalm messian occur thi statement thou art son thi dai begotten thee paul quot statement hebrew and propheci that christ come son god promis messiah mcconki cite heb show that sam and refer christ come son god sinc mcconki referenc sam thi examin will vers vers will includ and sinc time that command judg peopl israel and caus thee rest thine enemi lord jehovah telleth thee that will make thee hous and thy dai fulfil and thou shalt sleep thy father will set thy seed thee proce thy bowel and will establish kingdom build hous for name and will stablish throne kingdom for will father and son sam vers teach that lord jehovah son messiah second exampl mcconki cite thi examin will includ vers notic that lord jehovah thou art son thi dai begotten thee will declar decre lord jehovah hath thou art son thi dai begotten thee and give thee heathen for thine inherit and uttermost part earth for thy possess mcconki vers scriptur messian and acknowledg teach that christ come son god not will acknowledg that scriptur teach that father jehovah and that sectarian jehovah suprem deiti son jesu christ begotten belief anoth exampl involv mic thi vers mcconki state and lord act mortal ministri thi written stand and feed strength lord majesti name lord god for great end earth mic promis messiah emphasi ad mcconki pronoun begin mic refer christ mortal ministri lord god mic read and christ stand and feed strength lord jehovah majesti name lord jehovah god elohim for great end earth lord jesu christ jehovah father refer jehovah elohim anoth exampl involv and isa vers mcconki state number messian passag speak lord and anoint signifi that chosen consecr and set apart for ministri and mission that jesu appli passag quot isaiah propheci lord hath anoint preach good tide meek isa and thi dai thi scriptur fulfil your ear luke promis messiah emphasi ad sourc mcconki quot read follow king earth set and ruler counsel togeth lord jehovah and anoint mcconki anoint christ that true jehovah jehovah christ anoint jehovah refer god father and anoint refer christ second sourc mcconki cite isa state spirit lord adonai god jehovah lord jehovah hath anoint preach good tide meek hath bind brokenheart proclaim liberti captiv and open prison that bound anoint preach bind proclaim and open jesu christ anoint thi vers lord jehovah anoint face problem jehovah not refer father christ jesu anoint mcconki point jesu appli passag jehovah anoint christ god father exampl cite show that mcconki and mormon leader wrong god father not jehovah expos error mormon claim that jesu jehovah not elohim true that jesu jehovah scriptur prove thi fact saith lord jehovah king israel and redeem lord jehovah host and last and besid god isa jesu and last that liveth and dead rev saith lord jehovah pierc and mourn for mourneth for son zech behold christ cometh cloud and ey and pierc rev lord jehovah thy god holi israel isa deni holi christ and act and come pass that whosoev call name lord jehovah deliv joel name jesu christ nazareth name heaven men save act behold lord god jehovah will come strong hand reward isa behold christ come quickli and reward rev lord jehovah god come and saint thee zech come lord jesu christ saint thess lord jehovah shepherd jesu good shepherd john saith lord god jehovah will seek that lost ezek son man come seek and save that lost luke for lord jehovah thy god holi israel thy saviour isa for that bless hope and gloriou appear great god and saviour jesu christ tit jer and rev mal and heb kin and john isa and tim and matt prov and rev mormon jesu jehovah wrong not elohim bibl reveal that jehovah true elohim fals rememb jehovah person name triun god reveal bibl biblic quot show that jehovah and elohim not two separ god mormon claim note that not god father and christ address jehovah and elohim holi spirit whereof holi ghost thi coven that will make dai saith lord will put law into heart and mind will write and sin and iniqu will rememb heb emphasi holi ghost and ad behold dai come saith lord jehovah that will make coven hous israel and hous judah will put law inward part and write heart and will god elohim and peopl will forgiv iniqu and will rememb sin jer emphasi ad for propheci not time will man holi men god spake move holi ghost pet emphasi holi ghost ad spirit lord jehovah spake and word tongu sam heb continu biblic quot show that jehovah and elohim not two separ god mormon claim and lord jehovah that mose turn god elohim call midst bush and mose mose and bruce mcconki acknowledg that christ voic that spoke mose burn bush promis messiah and lord jehovah and mose god elohim behold come children israel and god elohim your father hath you and name and god elohim mose that and shalt thou children israel hath you and god elohim mose shalt thou children israel lord jehovah god elohim your father god elohim abraham god elohim isaac and god elohim jacob hath you thi name for and thi memori gener exod and god elohim spake mose and lord jehovah exod lord jehovah and god elohim besid gird thee thou hast not isa lord jehovah true god elohim live god elohim and everlast king jer saith lord jehovah king israel and redeem lord jehovah host and last and besid god elohim isa will you into captiv damascu saith lord jehovah name god elohim host amo behold heaven and heaven heaven lord jehovah thy god elohim earth that deut wherefor thou art great lord jehovah god elohim for thee god elohim besid thee that heard ear sam and hebrew and fear lord jehovah god elohim heaven hath made sea and dry land jon for god elohim save lord jehovah rock save god elohim bless nation god elohim lord jehovah hast thou not hast thou not heard that everlast god elohim lord jehovah creator end earth fainteth not weari search understand isa mighti god elohim even lord jehovah hath spoken and call earth rise sun thereof sing god elohim sing prais name estol that rideth heaven name jah and rejoic word jah bruce mcconki state jah hebrew yah contract form jehovah jahveh yahweh name refer christ god israel mormon doctrin and david aros and peopl that baal judah bring ark god elohim name call name lord jehovah host that dwelleth cherubim sam great mighti god elohim lord jehovah host name jer god elohim make wheel stubbl wind fill face shame that seek thy name lord jehovah that men that thou name alon jehovah art high earth bibl teach that jehovah elohim fact elohim true live mighti great and everlast elohim elohim israel kingdom earth and heaven creator made heaven and host and earth and that dwell thereon jehovah name elohim host amo not jehovah elohim elohim jehovah bibl reveal that elohim name jah jehovah and jehovah host sam jer nation elohim jehovah bless thi not jehovah and elohim mormon anoth mormon error elohim and jehovah belief that elohim not jehovah father spirit includ jesu articl faith apostl jame talmag doctrin exposit presid and twelv apostl state that god etern father elohim liter parent spirit human race thi doctrin exposit state explicitli that jesu christ not father spirit bodi thi earth for son son and daughter elohim apostl talmag state that elohim name titl god etern father firstborn son spirit jehovah jesu christ apostl bruce mcconki state thi matter jehovah christ fact creat earth and form plant and anim life face thereof place man earth chang creator that father person involv thing creat son power deleg father man spirit and flesh man creat father deleg author crown creatur creation concern promis messiah emphasi ad mormon leader claim that jehovah christ not creat man spirit bodi maintain that mormon elohim father creat man spirit and bodi bibl reveal truth creat man and mose spake lord jehovah lord jehovah god elohim spirit flesh set man congreg num emphasi ad lord jehovah stretcheth heaven and layeth foundat earth and formeth spirit man zech emphasi ad lord jehovah made thi soul jer for will not contend for will wroth for spirit fail and soul made saith lord jehovah isa emphasi soul made ad behold lord jehovah god elohim flesh jer emphasi ad saith lord jehovah thy redeem and that form thee womb lord jehovah that maketh thing isa emphasi ad saith lord jehovah made earth and creat man isa emphasi ad god elohim creat man earth thee shew that thou mightest that lord jehovah god elohim besid deut saith god lord jehovah that spread earth and that cometh that giveth breath peopl and spirit that walk isa saith lord jehovah host god elohim israel made earth man and beast that ground jer emphasi ad bibl reveal that jehovah elohim spirit flesh and flesh that form spirit man that made thi soul and form womb creat man mormon leader jesu jehovah wrong not creat man father creat man wrong not jehovah mormon leader teach that jesu not creat man mormon scriptur teach that bom state behold jesu christ father and son and never show man creat for never man believ thou hast behold thi bodi behold bodi spirit and man creat bodi spirit eth emphasi ad for that taketh sin world for that hath creat mo emphasi ad god abraham and god isaac and god jacob that god creat heaven and earth and thing that behold creat adam mor emphasi ad state that world made christ men made thing made and and emphasi ad anoth error bruce mcconki involv jehovah and creation belief that jehovah had pre mortal spirit help creat includ thi alleg group joseph smith that christ aid creation thi earth nobl and great spirit children father evid abraham write superior spirit christ will for space and will materi and will make earth whereon dwell abra michael adam enoch noah abraham mose peter jame and john joseph smith and nobl and great plai part great creativ enterpris doctrin salvat vol mormon doctrin bibl reveal truth thi matter saith lord jehovah thy redeem and that form thee womb lord jehovah that maketh thing that stretcheth heaven alon that spreadeth abroad earth isa alon spreadeth heaven and treadeth wave sea job jehovah creat thing had alleg preexist spirit helper assist mormon elohim apostl mcconki state elohim plural word us exalt name titl god etern father usag that connot supremaci and omnipot god god mormon doctrin state that jesu save father promis messiah bibl state that god call god triun god jehovah for lord jehovah great god and great king god elohim for thou lord jehovah art high earth thou art exalt god elohim that lord jehovah greater god elohim exod deut mormon leader jehovah god son and elohim god father vers bibl teach that mormon son father mcconki state mormon elohim father not jehovah son god god that jesu father bibl teach that jehovah elohim byu dev march bruce mcconki made remark prai jesu anoth peril that involv begin prai directli christ special friendship feel develop thi plain sectarian nonsens prayer address father and perfect prayer address father name son utter power holi ghost relationship lord mcconki state book promis messiah that mormon prai father not son book mcconki state that christ son jehovah thi import rememb mcconki prayer not offer mormon christ jehovah bibl state repeatedli that peopl prai jehovah and not heard prayer accept valid request small sampl vast number time peopl prai jehovah distress call lord jehovah and cri god elohim heard voic templ and cry even into ear and lord jehovah heard thy prayer and thy supplic that thou hast made hallow thi hous thou hast built put name for and mine ey and mine heart perpetu kin and jeremiah prophet beseech thee supplic accept thee and prai for lord jehovah thy god elohim even for thi remnant jer lord jehovah beseech thee thine ear attent prayer thy servant and prayer thy servant desir fear thy name neh and that solomon had made end prai thi prayer and supplic lord jehovah aros altar lord jehovah kneel knee hand spread heaven kin and shut door twain and prai lord jehovah kin and hezekiah saith lord jehovah god elohim david thy father heard thy prayer thy tear behold will add thy dai fifteen year isa acknowledg sin thee and mine iniqu not hid will confess transgress lord jehovah and thou forgavest iniqu sin for thi that godli prai thee time thou mayest found notic that godli prai jehovah mcconki and mormon leader that christ mcconki peopl not prai bibl reveal true elohim and name jehovah elohim fals idol that follow commit adulteri true elohim and idolatri for lord jehovah great and greatli prais fear god elohim for god elohim nation idol lord jehovah made heaven thou shalt god elohim exod that lord jehovah greater god elohim exod and thou forget lord jehovah thy god elohim and walk god elohim and serv and worship testifi you thi dai that sure perish deut thou shalt make coven god elohim not dwell thy land make thee sin for thou serv god elohim will sure snare thee exod heed that your heart not deceiv and turn and serv god elohim and worship deut that come not nation that remain you make mention name god elohim swear serv bow josh walk god elohim your hurt jer lord jehovah true god elohim live god elohim jer and forsook lord jehovah god elohim father brought land egypt and god elohim god elohim peopl that round and bow and provok lord jehovah anger jud man make god elohim and god elohim behold will thi onc will mine hand and and that name lord jehovah jer and evil you serv lord jehovah choos you thi dai will serv whether god elohim your father serv that side flood god elohim amorit land dwell for and hous will serv lord jehovah and peopl answer and god elohim forbid that forsak lord jehovah serv god elohim josh vers teach that true live elohim heaven and earth jehovah triun god made heaven and earth and jehovah greater elohim elohim idol realiti demon deut jehovah elohim explicit warn and guidelin fals elohim told peopl not elohim told peopl that left for fals elohim elohim snare and hurt and perish warn peopl heed that heart not deceiv into worship serv swear and make coven fals elohim jehovah elohim told peopl eventu judg fals elohim and follow despit warn and guidelin elohim coven peopl forsook and believ and worship fals elohim peopl contact state that children israel evil sight lord jehovah and serv baalim and ashtaroth and god elohim syria and god elohim zidon and god elohim moab and god elohim children ammon and god elohim philistin and forsook lord jehovah and serv not thi examin shown that elohim mormon elohim not true jehovah elohim peopl leav true elohim for mormon elohim will evil sight lord jehovah mcconki attack christian for belief triun god spirit and for belief that god father jehovah son into world belief true god triun spirit jehovah and send son into world redeem mankind obviou thi examin that not christian thrash dark elohim and jehovah wonder holi writ mcconki had mind state that attest fact that elohim father and that jehovah son not mean bibl teach that father son and holi spirit jehovah elohim appar not mean chapter vers refer father jehovah summari joseph field smith statement that mormon clear and perfect understand natur god doctrin salvat not accur mormon god not true god mormon claim idol follow commit adulteri god and idolatri answer jesu question that mormon jesu jesu reveal bibl and apostl preach trust mormon jesu believ anoth jesu paul warn bernard brockbank quorum seventi admit issu ensign mormon public that mormon jesu christian jesu state that true that christian church worship jesu christ worship mormon church jesu christ dai saint peopl mormon jesu commit adulteri god and idolatri not son not father and not etern life apostl bruce mcconki rightli state salvat come worship true god promis messiah mcconki rightli state that mere worship god proper scriptur name not assur that worship true and live god true name deiti can appli fals concept god mormon doctrin rememb that apostl stephen richard admit that joseph smith gave concept god and godhead contribut joseph smith import for peopl left true triun god reveal bibl repent and return forsak sin idolatri and adulteri commit mormon bibl that forsak thee asham and that depart written earth forsaken lord jehovah fountain live water jer and thou forget lord jehovah thy god elohim and walk god elohim and serv and worship testifi you thi dai that sure perish deut thou shalt make coven god elohim exod put strang god elohim that you and clean and chang your garment gen flee idolatri cor that christian heed warn bibl will not fall into sin adulteri god and idolatri rememb true god etern life john god elohim snare you exod
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talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write frank you didn realiz you involv debat opinion and each entiti frame opinion express don state dread word sometim correct that moral object you prove that moral object correct problem mean word question oxymoron you redefin word that not lend support underli concept wrong drag word thi not pars you wrong drag word for your part you that relativ true that your opinion folk heat belief relativ matter tast fair you calm impress that you don care notion object flavour problem object object that led conclud that moral subject frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon eric
talk.religion.misc	behav waco read suggest articl pgf srl cac usl edu pgf srl cac usl edu phil fraer write come mention eric hoffer talk fanat behavior anymor good point you haven read true believ eric hoffer your opportun don hoffer style true believ explan nutbal behavior written bill vanhorn
talk.religion.misc	daniel zoroast jewish discomfort jesu articl paranet fidonet org bill carlson fidonet org bill carlson write sinc zoroast suggest probabl descend daniel suppos you prove wasn zoroast older daniel claim that sens daniel descend zoroast daniel hebrew assimil into zoroastrian and successfulli introduc religion into tanakh judaism major book hellenist arama not babylonian arama and kethuvim write statu ref encyclopedia religion mircea eliad daniel hebrew daniyy hero biblic book that bear name daniel present jew babylonian exil achiev notorieti royal court for dream interpret and cryptographi and for salvat death lion pit appear last chapter book reveal divin mysteri and timet israel restor nation religi autonomi practition oneirom court describ daniel written person daniel per form interpret alon visionari apocalyptist daniel written person angel decod vision and mysteri futur like that name daniel pseudonym deliber allus wise and righteou man ugarit legend and earlier biblic tradit authorship book complic not divers narr voic and content languag daniel and written hebrew daniel arama languag divis parallel subject divis daniel concern legend and dream interpret concern apocalypt vision and interpret older propheci chronolog scheme intern themat balanc daniel chiliast relat suggest attempt redact uniti prefatori tale emphas life court and loyalti daniel and youth ancestr religion chronolog order discern sequenc king nebuchadrezzar dariu report thi royal date and even tale problemat for exampl daniel speak nebuchadrezzar transform into beast stori that report qumran scroll nabonidu belshazzar portrai last king babylon never king and dariu call mede conquer babylon and cyru persia such dariu mede persian and dariu name persian king episod daniel depict seri monarch revers episod ritual observ and report miracul deliver collect seleucid period late fourth mid second centuri bce order reinvigor wane jewish hope divin provid and encourag steadfast faith vision daniel report event reign belshazzar that cyru predict overthrow seleucid rule palestin collect and publish reign antiochu prior maccabean revolt for begin bce that jew put test allegi judaism and ancestr tradit and refus desecr statu mose and endur martyr death for resolut trust divin dominion vision daniel dramat thi dominion wai for exampl imag enthron god judgment son man invest rule thi figur interpret jew michael archangel and christian christ chapter zodiac imag cosmic beast bizarr manifest chapter complex reinterpret ancient propheci jeremiah found daniel imageri beast chapter parallel imag metal chapter repres kingdom overthrown monarchi divin origin endur imag book sur vive prototyp jewish and christian histor and apocalypt scheme end middl ag role and power thi imageri fifteenth and sixteenth centuri work exeget isaac abravanel scientist isaac newton and philosoph jean bodin and monarchi men seventeenth centuri england for exampl abid testimoni us thi ancient topo organ chiliast imagin divers thinker and group schema us thi dai group predict apocalypt advent encourag face religi persecut that found and propagand daniel contain remark reinterpret isaiah suffer servant god not israel select faith open stori daniel and youth final martyrolog allus advoc violenc revolt advoc stanc pieti civil disobedi and trust resign victori for faith hand archangel michael and martyr will resurrect and grant astral immort persum circl book not maccabean fighter and reflect proto pharisa group hasidim pietist theme resist oppress freedom worship preserv monotheist integr overthrow histor dominion and acknowledg god heaven recur book and serv token trust for faith darkest hour zarathushtra founder religion zoroastrian mazdaism mazda ahura mazda name god prophesi zarathushtra etymolog and histori zarathushtra avestan and oldest form name uncertain iranian languag and relat form persian form zara ushtra greek form zoroastr deriv and exist iranian form zarat ushtra link middl iranian zrdrwsht middl persian form such zrtwsht and persian zardusht can state certainti that second half name ushtra mean camel form zoroast deriv greek zoroastr us tradition european cultur eighteenth centuri zarathustra closer origin and found nietzsch into common us rediscoveri avesta collect sacr book zoroastrian and result studi iranian philolog avesta notwithstand great and continu popular zarathushtra even western cultur sourc extrem fragment and heterogen principl sourc gatha song attribut zarathushtra and includ yasna section avesta gatha ahunava yasna gatha ushtava yasna gatha spentamainyu yasna gatha vokukhshathra yasna and gatha vashishtoishti yasna last written prophet death sourc consider albeit vari import younger avesta and remain zoroastrian religi literatur pahlavi text ninth and tenth centur achaemenid inscript sixth fourth centur bce never mention zarathushtra mention greek sourc time not herodotu unawar avesta not provid direct explicit data true chronolog histori zarathushtra text indirect impli that environ zoroastrian aros not that iran mede persian greek sourc hand provid inform time zarathushtra histor point view unreli place six thousand year trojan war xanthu lydia eudoxu cnidu hermippu hermodoru aristotl plutarch diogen laertiu and plini account xanthu lydia interpret mean six hundr six thousand year expedit xerx greec thi interpret favor diogen laertiu make refer xanthu scholar shabazi helmut humbach recent attempt rehabilit pretext gener reject histor greek sourc neglig nonetheless import that show that millenarian doctrin histori cosmo had develop iran achaemenid period account demonstr show that thi time zarathushtra almost mythic figur extrem distant past thi lead conclus that prophet not belong histor period contemporari even close that achaemenid zoroastrian sourc pahlavi text provid absolut chrono logi for zarathushtra that accept arab author accord ing sourc zarathushtra live year alexand scholar divid valid chronolog view histor reliabl that devoid histor justif convinc argument support posit figur year accur surfac repres fact gener emploi sasanid propagandist locat zarathushtra lifetim roughli begin iranian domin for number reason connect complex problem inher iranian chronolog desir part sasanid propagandist avoid millenarian threat thi context zarathushtra tradit place earli ninth millennium begin cosmo convert vishtaspa ag forti two and vishtaspa convers view begin millennium explain doubl date and year alexand unreli sourc forc reconstruct absolut chronolog basi element princip content that zarathushtra live centuri cyru great cambys and dariu mention avesta great polit achiev that place western iran middl millennium bce mention histori that period lead iran posit such predomin time for number reason back histori not justifi tradition accept theori place zara thushtra begin millennium bce appear legitim zarathushtra land origin scholar agre basi valid argument that come eastern iran held that mede larg late iranian tradit link zarathushtra azerbaijan linguist reason base languag avesta thi hypothesi discard can suppos histor and linguist ground that zarathushtra east even not precis region consider varieti opinion thi matter includ improb view that chorasmia present dai khorezm wider chorasmian region reach oas merv and herat like zarathushtra land origin vast area stretch hindu kush mountain rang southern region bactria and arachosia modern qandahar drangiana area lake helmand locat afghanistan border region iran zarathushtra tell that belong priestli cast yasna zaotar sanskrit hotr that priest belong specif group connect school that produc elabor and learn religi poetri even call younger avesta describ athravan yasht gener term encompass entir priestli cast enter had undergon long and rigid train us lend digniti gatha content messag product great and origin ethic mind zarathushtra belong that vener priestli tradit link india iran anoth center teach prais ashavan possessor asha that vedic rtavan seek truth and master ashavan thi life almost initi and bless death good follow such teach seek vision asha chose path vedic india aspir vision sun manifest rta concept and thi languag li great tradit aryan mystic that indo iranian mystic zarathushtra great not lie belong religi tradit li innov and strength messag break tradit that forc fulli and effect introduc two great revolutionari idea dualist monoth wise lord father two twin spirit benefic and evil and expect transfigur frashokereti pahl frashgird life and exist frashokereti monotheist and dualist idea and soteriolog doctrin deepli separ zarathushtra teach indo iranian tradi tion upbring exemplifi rebellion formalist and ritualist religion that not provid adequ answer problem evil basic tenet zarathushtra advoc inward religios and individu resist imper tradi tion can number greatest religi figur anoth origin facet zarathushtra messag that not easi understand hold kei deeper understand complex intellectu and poetic structur gatha doctrin amesha spenta benefic immort spiritu abstract notion good thought truth desir power bounteou devot whole and immort oper system interrel and correl and can simultan manifest divin and human virtu amesha spenta name father pourushaspa possess grai hors and mother dughdova milk almost noth zarathushtra life late pahlavi text give name brother tradit zarathushtra left home ag twenti and thirti subject revel intens and power inspir and vision ten year had pass succe convert cousin maidhyoimah belief strongli oppos nativ land kavi karapan and usij priestli group associ tradit teach and practic thi hostil caus leav region yasna and seek refug court kavi vishtaspa ruler had convert religion togeth wife hutaosa prophet tradit forti two year name son isat vastra desir pastur and daughter born wife name two son urvatatnara command men and hvarecithra sun face born second wife hvovi member influenti hvogva possess good cattl famili two figur belong hvogva famili mention frashaoshtra and jamaspa hvovi father and husband daughter prophet pouruchista thought wed celebr hymm gatha yasna tradit zarathushtra di ag seventi assassin karapan priest religion belong tuirya tribe and call tur bradr name pahlavi form pauciti inform prophet life compens tradi tion rich legendari detail that aros centuri zoroastrian commun main text document tradit seventh book denkard pahlavi work date ninth centuri passag pahlavi text and persian work thirteenth centuri zarathusht nama book zarathushtra written zaratusht bahram pazhdu mythic and ritual element prevail legend zarathushtra ideal into symbol and make archetyp perfect man zarathushtra great popular ancient world continu renaiss enlighten classic and hellenist period view wise man typic repres alien wisdom master secret heaven and earth seer astrolog psychologist and worker pythagorean thinker influenc zarathushtra pythagora and academician openli admir persian thinker found school magi and advoc doctrin dualism earliest christian view zarathushtra precursor christian faith not prophesi had biblic prophet advent messiah predict supernatur sign come star that east and guid magi manger bethlehem magi thi christian interpret deriv zoroastrian doctrin saoshyant savior futur saoshyant religi struggl aros sasanid empir persia seventh centuri link spread christian roman empir zarathushtra popular christian world began declin iranian prophet had prais gnostic school and had mani great messeng past leader impostur and heresi teacher diabol art witcheri renaiss anc and enlighten european cultur revert imag zara thushtra that had come classic and hellenist antiqu view onc great and wise man author chaldean oracl and inventor qabbalah teacher astrolog bridg christian and platon and time voltair symbol christian wisdom western philolog rediscov zarathushtra eighteenth and nineteenth centuri friedrich nietzsch intent paradox gave name zarathustra hero work sprach zarathustra nietzsch iranian prophet discov true motiv forc underli thing that etern struggl good and evil zoroastrian
talk.religion.misc	abort and privat health coverag letter apr abort and privat user not boomer desir wrig write and court found charg women for auto insur illeg charg for health insur live longer make pai into retir fund legal arena isn consist gender issu not recent gender inequ auto insur remov point
talk.religion.misc	burden proof hamilton hydra gmr bill hamilton write cfaehl vesta unm edu chri faehl write rai engr latech edu bill rai write note followup alt atheism talk religion misc talk origin delet delet you statement and give author fact will respond ask you you aren oblig your intent convinc that statement true burden proof you interest stuff line burden proof belong god you give testimoni your belief you egotist excus miss earlier part thi thread bill across egotist simpli obedi scriptur command readi give reason for joi that you remaind articl delet state egotist that care bill thought need god whether not irrelev jump your trailer readi etc that back burden proof question ahead and give reason you god exist you state such thing bill hamilton chri faehl cfaehl vesta unm edu
talk.religion.misc	biblic back koresh tape cite enclos articl sbctri sbc tph susi sbc timothi henrion write articl apr wood ulowel edu cotera wood ulowel edu write assum you evid that respons for death common sens fire caus koresh and follow fbi atf cia kgb and harper vallei pta sinc you throw evid arguement throw back can you prove govern agenc don resort cover that prove wild theori govern agenc intention start fire kei word proof and evid prove want investig explain koresh defend children burn obviou that defend and follow govern whether you wrong thi anoth question had moral kill kgbatf agent rai cote govern govern
talk.religion.misc	abort articl vsd watson ibm larri margoli margoli watson ibm write uupcb ozonehol anthoni landreneau ozonehol anthoni landreneau write rape pass noth that will that true forc remain pregnant continu violat bodi for anoth month thi unbeliev cruel doesn excruci pain labor selfish bitch deserv die childbirth ly rape charli
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write articl apr organpip uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli wrote hmm that thi core christian you feel guilti and thi singl person that will save you thi univers guilt feel brian will you secret don feel guilti mistak and regret never had thi huge guilt feel hang shoulder will you anoth secret thi burn sensat hand time hold candl pain not fill entir bodi and told longer hold hurt eventu burn nerv told suppos ignor pain hold hand candl want don your bodi feel pain you wrong your bodi alarm system inform you that your attent fever tell you that you sick and sort care guilt can that emot spiritu alarm inform you that that you that requir your attent doesn requir person type becom believ requir will listen bodi soul that don and frankli speak don care life fun recogn that not perfect that not hinder healthi and inspir life for year knew like drop cid lsd frankli speak didn care fun didn matter that child wife and want tremend greater risk birth defect for year knew like sex women convic frankli speak didn care didn care that put each risk futur partner didn matter that for decad marriag wife and will worri that possibl that last sneez meant wors cold human that subscrib notion nice thing that you final shake thi huge burden shoulder feel relax nice thing pain killer you you won care fever short breath pain jason smith jason atlastel not young
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl markp elvi wri markp elvi wri mark pundur write atom not object aren even real scientist call atom noth mathemat model that describ physic observ properti surround subject omigod operationalist jim idea that theori explain myriad distinctli observ model sensibl peopl can accept your phobia object realiti notwithstand point real not that not wast time realiti predict question atom make measur atom not such system and not write theori exist everytim model us physic don forget prove your last sentenc that sensibl don accept that benedikt
talk.religion.misc	messag for you presid you happen you thi stupid you pretend you thi stupid you pretend fire insur that hope never us fire insur not offens weapon spare tire trunk that hope never us spare tire not offens weapon deal man convinc that act god will and jokk fore believ that you favour stab you back voltair
talk.religion.misc	messag for you presid you happen articl noos ecn purdu edu tbrent ecn purdu edu timothi brent write you check new todai author found state art automat machin gun that investig not cult arsen carl stern justic depart articl hmlinnc mojo eng umd edu russotto eng umd edu matthew russotto write yeah fire that reportedli burn hotter degre hot make bodi unidentifi author found gun that recogniz fulli automat and state art isn that conveeeeni conveni that thi cross post alt conspiraci assum favor interpret your degre measur that temperatur centigrad common fahrenheit you labor misconcept you that steel melt melt point iron alloi and steel iron alloi neighborhood even gun found area achiev temperatur steel part gun not deform and trivial identifi natur weapon fire not isotherm process hot spot and cold spot cold pure rel term weapon not necessarili situat hot spot you impli and even not melt darin wilkin scube will presid for food
talk.religion.misc	law god kind and love god mlee post royalroad malcolm lee write dpw sei cmu edu david wood write mlee royalroad malcolm lee write law written for israelit god chosen peopl god had expressli set apart rest world israelit direct wit god exist disobei god know that god real outright denial god and immedi punish rememb law written for time and appli god chosen peopl jesu chang that live ag grace sin longer immedi punish death repent and salvat lord jesu christ and not for chosen peopl salvat jew and gentil alik thi late for thread thought god suppos constant and never chang you reconcil thi common christian view paragraph god never your descript love send jesu attempt reconcil mankind humor thi notion know power god attempt reconcil lowli creation realiz that not penetr such logic chanc that you that omnipot god not attempt and that attempt reconcil impli lack omnisci you project human weak your god you reconcil kind and love god judeo christian view that sin time immedi punish death kill peopl for sin god show kind and love sin face god punish death passag back thi god god human sinner pre jesu human punish death aren punish sin god chang requir brutal sadist sacrific blood order sin death cannot toler prescenc sin midst chang sadist murder son made toler sin midst your statement meaningless toler sin hell sure midst that know etern knowledg will commit sin and toler thi absolut nonsens your god not know and power doesn person interest everydai affair that you claim and israelit knew thi and chose disobei and destroi peopl kind and love not relev claim kind and loving made you refer your god natur creation victim not issu god gave break end had choic matter know god not ultim outcom and power god had choic matter mindmush fail achiev salvat son die for ultim sin offer miss you give indic kind and love god requir sadist human sacrific botch creation achiev salvat fact longer thi admiss part made mistak son consol love note that your answer physic follow question fail discern connect two for consol that live ag grace thi mean that for sin god damn etern hell die kill immedi thi etern damnat exampl kind and love god hei fair for moment kind and love not mean free ride not note for record that you didn answer question amount give and relationship parent suppos kind and love that mean that children can want not part parent mean administ punish child fault death and etern damnat your idea correct punish hope you aren parent part parent mean give instruct god test trial life such that grow stronger teach and wrong thi quit elabor fantasi that you construct sadli lack basi realiti not address question that rais consequ action made clear heaven hell god not follow warn not good parent god that you describ not good parent tyrant parent parent issu warn not follow children will not that parent word god tell ear hear and not life trial folli will warn consequ reject come time for judgement that god bibl rule follow god koran veda book koresh clear follow will bulli for you
talk.religion.misc	cult articl sbucklei sfu sbucklei fraser sfu stephen bucklei write muttiah thistl ecn purdu edu ranjan muttiah write clinton todai that horribl tragedi waco fiasco remind join cult danger began scratch head think bad sign don mainstream religion thi case christian dai adventist gui isn clinton condemn religion isn cult bad thought depend whether you liter dictionari definit cult and faith cult you social context view cult you recogn mainstream religion social accept and cult group that involv techniqu brain wash and characterist that defin oppress probli not word cult behaviour understand academ us word cult that group peopl orient singl author figur not religi plenti religi cult includ that mainstream eric
talk.religion.misc	merlin mithra and magick articl yag anarki tch org melchar anarki tch org melchar write read thing thi past not quit blatant comparison christian and pagan roman myth practic histor merlin myrddin associ roman god associ mithra mithra origin asia part thyagi houseofkao abyss mithraic worship predat xianiti wai similar mysteri cult worship not inform member test had pass each stage info offer worshipp similar mason mithra sun deiti cyclic dark reborn inspir hope fought dark popular and charismat worship origin persia link ahura mazda wow thi new start tarsu you paul fame not nasti clue read orgin mithraic mysteri dulansei hei hasn read manli hall work perhap worth cult for threaten eclips xianiti suffer fatal flaw accept free men member xianiti women and slave and
talk.religion.misc	biblic back koresh tape cite enclos articl apr wood ulowel edu cotera wood ulowel edu write articl sbctri sbc tph susi sbc timothi henrion write explain koresh defend children burn obviou that defend and follow govern whether you wrong thi anoth question had moral kill kgbatf agent rai cote kill atf agent separ issu point that children di koresh defend you call moral children danger enviro order defend tim henrion southwestern bell technolog resourc thenrion sbctri sbc
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral markp avignon mark pundur write mathew mathew manti write markp elvi wri mark pundur write rusnew manti mathew manti mathew write object physic einstein and bohr told that speak rel and quantum mechan bullshit speak rel and quantum mechan ahead punk make dai degre can beat your degre refer place einstein bohr write object physic you take liter quotat you confus can that decid definit object object realiti lsd suffici prove that speak lsd bullshit bow your superior knowledg that detect pattern your respons actual support for your dismiss you lsd and skew your percept realiti you come and your percept unskew and strive ideal ideal had object exist perfectli effici power station convert energi coal into electr absolut can build perfect power station ideal strive that ideal undeni and valuabl not narrow question strive nonexist object ethic guess that case that peopl unabl evalu complex moral issu leav behav immor offer abstract nonexist object system ethic can strive code into rule don deriv for tend feel that thi pretti moral mathew
talk.religion.misc	moral relativ agre etc frank frank dwyer write articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write similarli moral relativist will not judg moral syst anoth circumst thi not preclud judg moral system anoth specif set circumst preclud set moral relativist collect judg moral system set circumst agre thi make sens you explain never understood for grin suppos almost agre that set circumst call realiti live happili agre circumst suspect agre action confid that such situat will aris big god sky don chosen god disagre infal disagr circumst can iron hope agre for practic intent and purpos frame refer and such good isn that approxim object that expect speed bullet outrun snail that for exampl vanishingli small number peopl hold that frame refer gass six million jew good that close object moral encount life for exampl hear bomb crowd area isn sensibl guess that thi immor act even conceiv tail end case that justifi your exampl poor bomb iraq for exampl and drop american plane peopl hold that moral act and weasel word you us describ that frame refer isn object realiti for valu can pars object realiti for valu you object realiti for valu valu real even face disagr don quit you assum valu you mean moral valu case you mean real real moral oppos unreal mean that valu real hors you understand hors real pretti mean real hmm moral valu percept physic presenc you that moral system your opinion you infinit regress infinit regress extrem finit meant that never your opinion and chain end buck stop not infinit regress you clarifi thi for understand that supermajor relativist agre that and such wrong almost frame refer practic intent and purpos kei point that vanishingli moral issu can peopl agre outcom for frame refer and agre frame refer you not justif for that moral system terrorist inferior that man peac that not can provid justif for assert that moral system terrorist inferior that man peac can provid justif work circumst logic can manag kill hitler car bomb terrorist act admit that couldn exactli condemn tricki philosoph issu hindsight mean you stretch includ event such atom termin switch place that termin turn upsid you like that circumst will aris terror superior peac that circumst arisen terror peac term number innoc peopl kill assum success terror mathew
talk.religion.misc	complet disagr stuff talk abort relat comment below not frank frank dwyer write articl rusnew manti mathew mathew mant write frank frank dwyer write specif relativ conclud two peopl grotesqu disagre wrong and sometim perhap rare pretti good idea wrong never inform make guess make decis idea moral judgement meaningless impli that whether peac war meaningless question and not discuss for correct answer short posit assert nice point view you relativ conclud peopl involv argument person observ arguer come respond anoth your post penni drop for clarifi you answer point view disinterest observ perhap observ like posit posit and disagre futur and conclus bind that time observ like posit and agre that and make observ and infer situat expect conclud that answer hopefulli factor make judgement answer accept hand disagre principl suspect make decis favour case that not moral argument answer perspect for instanc complet unabl come conclus whether abort allow not perspect ideal world live thing life ideal world women absolut bodi resolv favour principl agre compromis solut allow abort time concept and decid time base sometim ill defin criteria thi sensibl move let peopl make decis reason and for worth happi current abort law similarli situat left yugoslavia horribl mess and can sort conclus don even imagin sort compromis manag mathew
talk.religion.misc	koresh doctrin gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu write articl watson marin sce carleton watson sce carleton stephen watson write question for you fundamentalist stephen tice cotera joe gaut apolog mislabel you start read sinc disast cotera fundi and defend koresh and belief exampl true christian persecut big bad secular state your opinion report sexual habit report accur iyo thi qualiti christian alleg part big cover you steve refresh accus christian hope evid can garner convict not you mean fundi part term fundamentalist wide varieti you refer us refer christian conserv literalist approach bibl distinct liber jesu messiah and son god and follow plead guilti us word christian unqualifi describ definit appli btw appli deletia joe gaut interest disast civil liberti issu not attempt justifi koresh belief and practic agre joe thi group god invis pink unicorn and and live togeth and group sex sex sex for leader not children misguid legal and hope investig will start determin whether fed had legitim reason for koresh place move wisdom tactic us joe disput child abus alleg provision accept thi evid support alleg wasn think alleg child abus report that had sex and father children women cult agre thi not legal matter consent adult and that stephen tice defend koresh belief and practic specif christian perspect not civil liberti perspect question not aim joe and possibl not rai cote take polit angl stephen tice steve watson watson sce carleton carleton univers ontario thi opinion opinion assert thi opinion carletonu opinion touch make burn life bolt blue touch you bruce cockburn
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral ursa bear halat pooh bear jim halat write articl markp elvi wri markp elvi wri mark pundur write omigod operationalist jim idea that theori explain myriad distinctli observ model sensibl peopl can accept your phobia object realiti notwithstand phobia object realiti simpli that scientif model atom not not that object that sourc properti measur atom theori you hadn made that clear glad clarifi you physic objectivist light anoth exampl two theori particl and wave each fail predict behavior light point particl wave you you sensibl wavicl question mark pundur resembl opinion and wolfram research inc pure coincident
talk.religion.misc	rawlin debunk creation articl fuj bdi lll winken llnl gov imag dave knapp write articl ebv sunfish usd edu rfox charli usd edu write simpli put evolut creation each look properli theori fact assert fiction specif exampl exactli separ reason and scienc nonsens agre that creation nonsens submit that you make mistak that creationist commonli thi and previou post you engag fallaci fals dichotomi you consist character scienc religion ration nonsens fact not form complet set option for that matter that semi explicit link evolut call ration atheism avoid creationist fuel for repeat incant that evolut lead atheism dave dave and anthropologist great umbrag thi misrepresent sens that you that made jump creation scienc religion character scienc creation scienc ration nonsens and that peopl promot religi belief scienc becom nonsens belong meaning and virtual anthropologist will you and time thi group and work and repeatedli never meant and don commun skill betrai presum offend peopl spiritu sensibl hope not disparag mine rich fox anthro usouthdakota
talk.religion.misc	kind and love god articl apr royalroad mlee post royalroad malcolm lee write btw david koresh not jesu christ claim can you for dai haven pass steve bittrolff previou opinion and share intellig person
talk.religion.misc	rawlin listen devil god appear and spoke rawlin listen deamon and satan word divin inspir come true god and come satan trickster
talk.religion.misc	burden proof articl mentor purdu edu frittsbc sage purdu edu brian fritt write theist thi net talk absurd doesn god and can problem thi and argument assum that burden proof li atheist wrong philosophi make posit argument give reason for believ not neg make statement elv exist prove posit assert not person that elv don exist neg thi case had prove elv don exist omnisci and inch univers appli god give your reason and you theist make case you address wrong issu situat elv thi establish fact sinc can touch etc elv time elv posit argument lionel tun lionel citi comput vision group citi univers london ext
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral ursa bear halat pooh bear jim halat write articl blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write object physic einstein and bohr told that speak rel and quantum mechan bullshit speak rel and quantum mechan ahead punk make dai degre can beat your degre simpl physic book and start for statement that object physic doubt you will find you find statement that object length object locat object physic for instanc that speed light vacuum invari thi sound aw lot object speed light vacuum you can not confus construct constructor you quantum mechan object observ can made physic not object bohr random atom motion inher motion einstein that natur determinist method observ that insert random talk exact result claim experiment evid that prove similar vein experiment evid for supersymmetr particl physicist and don agre that object true answer question depend you guess mark pundur resembl opinion and wolfram research inc pure coincident
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral hfk iji zola esd sgi eno esd sgi silverio write markp elvi wri mark pundur write rusnew manti mathew manti mathew write object realiti lsd suffici prove that speak lsd bullshit lawdi that experi didn teach you that your percept you realiti don will you read your brain work sensori illus you can trick and teach that accur perceiv realiti tricki busi not that realiti silverio sgi ceej last fridai april forc interrupt work laboratori middl afternoon and proce home affect remark restless combin slight dizzi albert hofmann mark pundur resembl opinion and wolfram research inc pure coincident
talk.religion.misc	joakim ruud joakimr ifi uio write recent ask interest question god live assum god infinit wisdom made perfectli clear that don live rule will burn hell can god make that desicion for sake argument that god creat directli indirectli doesn matter happen that creat and turn lose didn creat make analogu scientist creat uniqu live creatur happen even patent expect behav matter die dear joakim begin that excel question that ask you will find explan respond dai saint that you etc live onc spirit children god father hebrew pre mortal exist order continu etern progress earthli probationari time requir live faith not sight choos good evil and prepar ourselv thing becom worthi higher order exist that god spirit offspr onc assembl discuss specif thi earthli sojourn chose for lucif plan firstborn pre mortal jesu christ lucif aspir will exalt throne star god isaiah etc result into rebellion follow firstborn and result cast lucif satan father li and host heaven and tail drew part star heaven and cast earth revel demon evil spirit back choic born thi earth and subject god and plan for good bad base obedi and choic made that choic individu god speak job wast thou laid foundat earth morn star sang togeth and son god shout for joi job lost knowledg pre mortal exist veil forget ness psalm order live faith not sight you not accept thi scenario quit reli bibl alon offer fragmentari insight into thi aspect exist individu son and daughter god god impos rule can god righteou god like christian flock sheep unabl that follow rest hmmmmmmmmmmmm christian definit flock sheep shepherd understand event not christian theologi such dai saint will cry heresi and accus pervert doctrin bibl myriad interpret found catech and bibl studi manual for person convict that pre exist scenario explain harmoni biblic doctrin dead sea scroll book pseudographion jewish sourc and last not modern dai revel subject want point that thi not sarcasm mean deal man convinc that act god will and jokk fore believ that you favour stab you back voltair casper kni isscck byuvm bitnet brigham young univers isscck byu edu uc comput facil
talk.religion.misc	rfd misc taoism articl apr radian markbr radian natinst mark write articl apr coe montana edu uphrrmk gemini osc montana edu jack coyot write sunlight shine ocean univers mirror puddl aleph null bottl beer wall aleph null bottl beer pass aleph null bottl beer wall isn amaz anoth bottl bheer aleph bottl beer wall aleph null bottl beer you puddl below mark wow alllth pretti puddl jimmi crack koan and don care jimmi crack koan and don care jimmi crack koan and don care zen master mort and pass beer not koan
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di jason atlastel jason smith write for year knew like drop cid lsd frankli speak didn care fun didn matter that child wife and want tremend greater risk birth defect matter that studi singular that show lsd caus birth defect hold true for aspirin matter that thi studi flat wrong and lsd not give you greater risk children birth defect merlyn leroi
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di brian kendig state master you master brian kendig state not make your mind life ground us practic fun get don start perfect and not end perfect never perfect can you name person young past present that you deem perfect good luck shortcom and strength and live life decis make and content abid consequ decis easili accept prais for time life made mistak never make mistak twice you lie you not your shortcom shown your shortcom not two that ignor bibl and arrog you demonstr butcher even know content regard christ myth you pride examin record for and demonst your lack support for your conclus bet you not even word christ mean prophet us christ describ son man feel that peopl offer interpret supposedli and person can judg agre that learn read bibl come interpret evalu and check histori book compar interpret your make judgment you truth bibl interpret coffe cup interpret and rememb bibl isn guru esoter guid metaphys doesn theologian understand bibl bunch testimoni peopl you and address peopl you and gui wrote and heard open diari and want you and want you make clear want you didn encouch idea esoter rhetor simpl straight forward languag choos road travel and decid whether not want reach end road turn back and long don turn back shame seek friend you chosen road that avoid bibl you chosen road that avoid confront live god that road doesn appeal you you build your road that that confront assur thi you will confront dai willingli unwillingli and you don clue open your ey and open your ear and listen not spout empti word thi life thi mean you mean hear your not degrad your life heard irrat excus for year noth you and your word you spout contradict contradict give you mean your life sad mother love you can point definit thing for and can even bring you you can face face you your deiti love you you bingo for god love world gave begotton son that whososev beliv will last life god son even death that can hope resurrect and that life isn for noth gloriou purpos you can even convinc that exist you turn your ey testimoni and histori you choos lie that doesn exist for you ignor for thousand year you sound exactli almost verbatim lazaru jesu stori start luke and conclus that stori bleak lazaru wound hell stori end thi for lazaru doesn even listen mose and prophet won even man rose dead god dangl heaven carrot promis untold pleasur suspend disbelief and ignor ration for thi onc choos hell can not lie placat anoth matter power arrog fact you not ration specif case cite and thi statement you show irration regard heaven jesu you expect heaven jesu expect you us your brain jesu not expect you placat jesu you willingli come not grovel slave brother will share gloriou rich you not pick bibl and read for you maintain you open mind whether you ly for you want live good life you you die and that don contradict you reason live good life doesn you good end your life doesn good di you reason lead good life lead good life meaningless you such meaningless thing that paragraph demonstr that you haven listen singl word understand you that not feel amiss you miss point live good life etern consequ onc close amus park life you that end you you your time spent amus park meaningless etern consequ you left earth you contradict previou post you evil thing bad you shouldn matter you evil thing good thing meaningless end rob bank you dislik that dirti rotten slime bag restrain you life etern consequ and account irrelev life fun and don intend leav amus park life close for night time you not master don feel that sacrif jesu god worship sacrific temporari case not that import resurrect sunk jesu aliv jesu not dead you and your holi book token santa clau deliv toi xma don you reason that you true give reason that can similarli appli santa clau you reason that jesu and wit jesu true you choos unreason and ignor reason definit ignor santa clau live north pole and squad elv and fly reindeer fly reindeer human histori fly reindeer reindeer nose blink red hand peopl born bethlehem nebuchandezzar king daniel court offici david and solomon king israel and judah king call jehoachin sennecherib attack jerusalem year christ sennacherib lose battl and badli caiapha interrog jesu histori verifi nonfict you problem discern truth fiction perhap you can evalu context grimm fairi tale apart that scientif american suppos you treat equal truth equal falsiti thi you tell that want read scientif american and find that not fairi tale you therebi infer that your deiti noth collect vers book and cannot support invok real you zair you assur that such place your irration you never us map your life you you overwhelm evid person experi live god irrat unreason ignor fool didn follow jesu
talk.religion.misc	law retribut law retribut violent crime racism bigotri domest abus rape polic brutal and oppress human right violat etc etc continu wors and wors spite and man made law level local ordin intern law man made law not work failur commun perpetr remain ignor law univers cosmic and spiritu law law retribut karma not deceiv god not mock for whatsoev man soweth that reap galatian kjv that leadeth into captiv into captiv that killeth sword kill sword patienc and faith saint revel kjv come thi law univers real physic law that for action equal and opposit reaction enforc teeth golden rule you you perpetr present will becom victim futur like futur incarn victim present perpetr past previou life need massiv worldwid program educ teach present and potenti perpetr convinc manner suffici support evid that will thi life doubt fact reincarn and relat law retribut read book such and hereaft ruth montgomeri describ kind evid support reincarn includ hypnot regress past live accur subconsci mind can sometim make thing bad hypnotist spontan recal young children can identifi recent previou rel home possess etc dream recal past life experi deja familiar land travel for time vacat psychic read late edgar cayc and even support statement christian bibl includ matthew john baptist reincarn elia and john can person possibl sin born live strong interest innat talent strong phobia etc typic origin person past live for exampl strong fear swim travel water result drown end previou life and sometim person will dislik anoth person met for time present life bad encount previou incarn peopl behav each knew that action present will sure reap futur futur incarn for inform answer your question etc consult cite sourc book and hereaft ruth montgomeri alter reproduct and dissemin thi import inform encourag robert mcelwain initi eckankar not agent thereof
talk.religion.misc	part don you understand eeb midwai uchicago edu write steve novak write that possibl exist mean student gave shit moment silenc make sens forc don want particip part reason for organ moment silenc moment silenc doesn mean particip not silent point doesn want particip blindli oppos flavor religion utterli idiot blindli oppos flavor religion that support taxpay monei christian offici religion not notic that danger utterli idiot steve novak ban bomb ban pope steven advtech uswest
talk.religion.misc	messag for you presid you happen articl noos ecn purdu edu tbrent ecn purdu edu timothi brent write you check new todai author found state art automat machin gun that investig not cult arsen carl stern justic depart yeah fire that reportedli burn hotter degre hot make bodi unidentifi author found gun that recogniz fulli automat and state art isn that conveeeeni matthew russotto russotto eng umd edu russotto wam umd edu new reader expect disclaim polic search and seizur make us forc not respons for bodili harm result advic
talk.religion.misc	albert sabin articl ruinnml ctron new ctron king ctron john king write rfox charli usd edu write discuss josephu insert correct assum that that josephu fact write jesu christian copist embellish jack that present consensu contrari fox present consensu not that longer passag josephu jesu insert that modifi question that modifi base origen that josephu not recogn jesu messiah don argument that appear context good haven look context for perhap give sentenc preced and follow jesu passag jim lippard lippard ccit arizona edu dept philosophi lippard arizvm bitnet univers arizona tucson
talk.religion.misc	apr god promis matthew baptiz you water for repent will come power sandal not fit carri will baptiz you holi spirit and fire matthew niv
talk.religion.misc	mormon and jew rdlsf agat berkelei edu isaackuo skippi berkelei edu isaac kuo write point that valid strategi us dai don substitut strategi capabl apprehend potenti danger and arm suspect you suggest that polic knock gun holster and never arrest suspect allow inspect offic badg polic apprehend potenti danger and arm suspect can identii you suggest can can fake competit you ask individu citizen place risk assum that claim cop cop polic made public servic announc that you ladi drive night and you blue light flash you not pull you reach lit prefer occupi place ga station etc even you deadli enemi pretend cop that not excus murder polic wouldn murder defens mob rule isn prettier mob call govern ain chariti you monei wilson theori rel you back relat mark wilson atlantaga ncr
talk.religion.misc	messag for you presid you happen articl bskendigc qyj gew netcom bskendig netcom brian kendig write zaw utarlg uta edu stephen tice write anoth for patienc bad you couldn wait prospect god messag you that david koresh jesu christ let long hair nut case sexual hangup surround lot gulibl loser brain miser and meaningless death boot sound fit bill joseph rememb david koresh fri for you askew joseph askew gauch and proud autumn still pleiad jaskew spam math adelaid edu remot thorni desert fell grief disclaim sue care north tent sky end somwher brenda pale river murmur
talk.religion.misc	burden proof articl apr ousrvr oulu ktikkan phoenix oulu kari tikkanen write math exam burden proof prove that element set divid leav remaind prime integ exist mathemat formal scienc real world thing entertain compani sell comput program viru safe doesn burden proof that virus don exist floppi don assumpt turn that softwar viru you prove that fact court damag you theoret supposs damag for that you give evid that viru that softwar sinc comput compani defend uninvolv proven guilti ktikkan phoenix oulu kari tikkanen begin oulu finland vega end not pascal nooooo mccullou whippl wisc edu never program and drink beer time doesn work
talk.religion.misc	messag for you presid you happen articl visser convex convex visser convex lanc visser write bskendigc qyj gew netcom bskendig netcom brian kendig write zaw utarlg uta edu stephen tice write anoth for patienc bad you couldn wait prospect god messag you that david koresh jesu christ cut water fire truck present and fbi atf blast hole into buil and fire ga munit build burn almost di doesn bother you bother peopl dont koresh messag atf agent and branch davidian dead crazi tactic part atf and fbi attornei gener vampira tell that todai event suppos save compound blow hole build and gass insid suppos save person mr leari cow that knock that lantern phaedru cyberpyr
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di articl apr atlastel jason atlastel jason smith wrote for year knew like drop cid lsd frankli speak didn care fun didn matter that child wife and want tremend greater risk birth defect for year knew like sex women convic frankli speak didn care didn care that put each risk futur partner you live fairli wild life background tradit work work work clear indic that you live your life produc amount anxieti that need releas religion medicin stabl environ didn and not produc situat feel such guilt thi explan you feel thi burden haven felt regard kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	apr god promis matthew bless hunger and thirst for righteous for will fill matthew niv
talk.religion.misc	biblic back koresh tape cite enclos articl apr utarlg uta edu zaw utarlg uta edu stephen write articl sbctri sbc netd susi sbc write name stephen write for david koresh didn solid structur sound biblic back for hour long tape broadcast don care solid structur sermon tell quit lot man curiou you refer koresh man upper case death respons for that concern peopl you spokesman for peopl never claim spokesman for peopl assumpt part that peopl normal valu and moral concern human life sermon structur you miss point that prophet psalm and revel togeth provid rich view special event wed burn children part thi special event comment stem realiz that love lord human and imperfect preach matter eloqu corrupt differ master voic will recogn gem stone amidst rock such lesson stumblingblock for ear hear not master voic master not care eloqu corrupt preach differ you suspect made big differ di compound tim henrion southwestern bell technolog resourc thenrion sbctri sbc
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl apr andrew nrp andrew norman paterson write articl fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write you don claim absolut moral system you claim object assum your answer apolog not spent two solid month argu that such thing object moral system exist jon apolog not pai attent norman
talk.religion.misc	mormon and jew articl apr ecn purdu edu mechala ecn purdu edu john mechala wrote evid support theori that burn you made implic that fbi respons for fire and destruct peopl you put doubt start fire provid evid back your claim that fbi respons last night cnn report that fbi infrar pictur show that fire start place time that not resembl accid cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	mormon and jew articl apr royalroad mlee post royalroad malcolm lee wrote articl blue ci pitt edu rjl pitt edu richard loether write matthew not suppos that come bring peac earth not peac come bring sword rememb armor god sword that christian wield word god bibl malcolm jesu you cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	law god kind and love god articl apr royalroad mlee post royalroad malcolm lee wrote etern damnat consequ choic make reject god you choos jump cliff you can blame god for you splat bottom that you choos jump that you will die will not prevent you make that choic fact son stand edg cliff and li below prove that point jesu that plung god rise exampl christ and chosen not jump and you not jump you splat you don listen and won stop you you decid jump that you check take plung you ow don splat for moment interest thi notion leap faith establish kierkegaard point solut transcendent valu don understand that show existenti system leap transcendent direct equal word not jump cliff mention time will decid direct will will cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	cybel and transgend sexual articl raven aim unc edu fhunt med unc edu freb hunt write relat name cybel and phenemenon sibyl your paragraph o etymolog sibyl come ancient greek sigma iota beta upsilon lambda lambda alpha claim come doric sigma iota omicron beta upsilon lambda lambda alpha read properli turn attican athenian theta epsilon omicron beta omicron upsilon lambda eta don atti wouldn surpris learn that thi god ti athenian capit alpha tau tau iota kappa upsilon sigma o not list etymolog for cybel sinc that propper noun suggest that greek spell that word closer anticed sibyl two word perhap cybel french latin spell
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di brian ceccarelli present fallaci fals dichotomi state that accept thing book attribut peter discount book antiqu peter di two millenia ago origin letter wrote long sinc decai into dust aliv todai and you question exist alexand great tilgrath pilisar iii nero caligula josephu cyru great artexerx document decai dust brian anoth excus ceccarelli you state that accept accept written histor document doubt that that sinc doubt you accept written histor document you can therebi object justifi complet faith word book attribut peter give exampl document antiqu you reject date time rams thi present matthew wiener inscript carv battl and carv pharoah specif approv true origin mere copi thi account record battl kadesh circa occur river oront mile south aleppo egyptian won thi battl hittit and rams had victori inscrib place inscript surviv perfect form record pharoah pretti singl handedli defeat hittit separ troop note that egyptian waver back and and person miriam lichtheim ancient egyptian literatur volum majesti caus forc foe hitti fall face crocodil fall into water oront griffin attack countri alon for infantri and chariotri had desert not stood back live love father atum favor that majesti told truth presenc infantri and chariotri note thi paragraph record not rams divin word that thousand wit event heart battl majesti drove gallop and charg forc foe hitti alon majesti proceed and found chariot ring offic chariot soldier armi shield bearer infantri chariotri yield not stood firm fight majesti spoke thi father amun for father ignor son deed matter for you ignor not walk and stand your word not neglect order you gave great great lord egypt alien step path asiat you amun wretch ignor god not made for you great monument call you father amun host stranger countri arrai alon labor peopl noth amun help command your mouth amun not transgress your command prai distant land voic resound southern thebe found amun call gave hand and rejoic call forward you your father hand you prevail hundr thousand men lord victori lover valor found heart stout breast joi succeed mont slaughter will not look not turn fell not rise call man seth great strength baal person not deed man do uniqu fight hundr thousand soldier and chariot come quick flee seek life and breath air for attempt close hand limb grow limp cannot hold bow spear see come race majesti hunt griffin slaughter unceasingli you brian origin manuscript record miracul battl rams and hittit you reject complet true suspect you and you your word question exist alexand great tilgrath pilisar iii nero caligula josephu cyru great artexerx you therebi question document that problem your noth approach ancient peopl us mix bit fanci fact for you that accept peter and rest testament accept record antiqu forc you therebi accept veriti document you not find complet credibl your argument that peopl testifi jesu that true you pass thi testimoni fictious you call thousand year worth testimoni shepherd ir agent royal offici king comput programm fiction scoff your keyboard complet ignor testimoni you that that complet hooei that not audaci displai arrog you you king solomon king david even abraham lincoln point thi argumentum populum appeal popular opinion you cannot vote truth for instanc million hindu past and present testifi realiti brahma constitut actual evid for exist brahma you answer your question regard testimoni hindu scoff your keyboard complet ignor testimoni you that that complet hooei you scoff you object justifi your special plead second not clear that king solomon king david testifi jesu you can claim clear that not make true quit arguabl that abraham lincoln not christian and that had public and privat view christian fact discuss dai public accus deist present collect faq for lincoln previous for tyre jefferson and etc dave butler earlier view unsound christian scheme salvat and human origin scriptur becom clearer and stronger advanc year and reason for think chang abraham lincoln judg wakefield death willi lincoln
talk.religion.misc	part don you understand articl apr advtech uswest steven advtech uswest steve novak write eeb midwai uchicago edu write steve novak write that possibl exist mean student gave shit moment silenc make sens forc don want particip part reason for organ moment silenc moment silenc doesn mean particip not silent point doesn want particip and set time that doesn good humph delet list religi reason want moment silenc for dead classmat doesn want silent for teacher give pompou religi speech assembl didn blindli oppos flavor religion utterli idiot blindli oppos flavor religion that support taxpay monei christian offici religion provid document that oppos thing that activ religi actual prayer amen moment silenc mandatori class religion and not thing that uncertain religi implic moment silenc bibl shelv read period not prevent state religion pro choic anti roe elizabeth bartlei abort safe legal earli and rare
talk.religion.misc	larsonian astronomi physic creation partial summari theori univers includ descript creation solar system larsonian astronomi and physic orthodox physicist astronom and astrophysicist claim for unifi field theori forc univers can explain singl set law equat systemat ignor suppress excel for year late physicist dewei larson comprehens gener unifi theori physic univers call reciproc system built two fundament postul physic and mathemat natur space and time physic univers compos compon motion exist dimens discret unit and two reciproc form space and time physic univers conform relat ordinari commut mathemat magnitud absolut and geometri euclidean two postul larson develop complet theoret univers combin translat vibrat rotat and vibrat rotat motion concept ward and ward scalar motion and speed relat speed light larson call unit veloc and natur datum each step develop larson match object theoret univers object real physic univers photon sub atom particl incomplet atom charg atom molecul globular star cluster galaxi binari star system solar system white dwarf star pulsar quasar etc even object not discov such explod galaxi and gamma rai burst and appli theori model atom larson precis and accur calcul inter atom distanc crystal and molecul compress and thermal expans solid and properti matter thi describ good detail fanci complex mathemat book book dewei larson complet list late physicist dewei larson book comprehens gener unifi theori physic univers earli book print inter librari loan structur physic univers case nuclear atom newton light space and time quasar and pulsar noth motion substitut for billion super collid last chapter explain chemic bond neglect fact scienc univers motion final solut astrophys mysteri basic properti matter last book publish north pacif publish box portland and inter librari loan your local univers public librari doesn each includ last intern societi unifi scienc isu atkin av salt lake citi utah thi organ that start promot larson theori relat public includ quarterli journal reciproc physicist dewei larson background physicist dewei larson retir engin chemic electr year di had bachelor scienc degre engin scienc oregon state univers develop comprehens gener unifi theori physic univers develop comput chemic properti base element us larson lack fanci degre reason that orthodox physicist ignor not valid reason sometim take rel outsid forest tree time clear book that knew orthodox physic and astronomi physicist astronom point contradict hoc assumpt principl impot consist etc larson not fund etc experiment test theori and not for simpli compar part theori research experiment and observ data and case explan fit consist theori orthodox physicist and astronom claim for unifi field theori that work ignor for year modern physic not explain physic univers part larson book full quotat lead orthodox physicist and astronom agre and rememb that epicycl crystal sphere geocentr flat earth theori etc onc explain prove conceptu wrong prof frank meyer professor emeritu superior strong propon larson theori and presid larson organ intern societi unifi scienc and editor quarterli journal reciproc move minneapoli retir super collid boondoggl contruct superconduct super collid texa anywher gross wast monei and contribut almost noth scientif physicist don realiz comprehens gener unifi theori late physicist dewei larson describ book strang goofi particl meson hyperon alleg quark etc find exist collid fermi lab cern etc atom anti matter creat high energi collid beam and quickli disintegr cosmic rai incompat environ larger and expens collid will creat element anti matter that physicist not and physicist will even confus type anti matter atom worth billion cost don import for thi wast monei anoth thing that primari propos locat texa and grow problem kind fire ant eat insul underground cabl poison ground and ground water insecticid will requir ant supercollid name super collid ronald reagon propos total absurd built name lead particl physicist larsonian anti matter larson comprehens gener unifi theori physic univers anti matter not simpl case opposit charg type particl rate vibrat and rotat photon made relat vibrat and rotat equival speed light larson call unit veloc and natur datum larson theori positron particl matter not anti matter positron and electron meet rotat vibrat charg and rotat respect photon made neutral each larson theori anti matter half physic univers dimens time and dimens space and exist reciproc relationship materi half larsonian rel perihelion point orbit planet mercuri observ and precis measur advanc rate second arc per centuri second thi advanc attribut calcul gravit perturb planet venu earth jupit etc remain second arc us prove einstein gener theori rel late physicist dewei larson achiev result closer second gener rel can special rel book appli lorentz transform high orbit speed mercuri larson total reject gener rel anoth mathemat fantasi reject special rel includ part mass increas speed light and us lorentz transform doppler shift quasar red shift greater move faster speed light that motion time larson comprehens gener unifi theori physic univers dimens time two dimens can not measur materi half physic univers dimens that can measur clock time low rel speed valu two dimens neglig high speed becom signific and lorentz transform us fudg factor larson us term coordin time write thi regard mass increas proven atom acceler that acceler drop speed light formula for acceler acceler forc mass orthodox physicist ignor factor forc larson theori mass stai constant and forc drop forc motion combin motion relat motion includ inward and outward scalar motion expans univers for exampl outward scalar motion inher univers and not result call big bang anoth mathemat fantasi univers motion recommend book univers motion dewei larson north pacif publish box portland oregon page index hardcov contain astrophys portion gener unifi theori physic univers develop that author unrecogn geniu thirti year ago contain final solut astrophys mysteri includ format galaxi binari and multipl star system and solar system true origin degre background radiat cosmic rai and gamma rai burst and true natur quasar pulsar white dwarf explod galaxi etc contain astronom and astrophysicist for readi open mind exampl theori success book structur physic univers larson predict exist explod galaxi year astronom start find consequ larson comprehens theori and quasar discov had relat explan for gamma rai burst astro physicist and astronom scratch head mysteri gamma rai burst origin thought origin neutron star disc galaxi gamma rai telescop earth orbit detect direct uniformli and sourc locat space not correspond object for case direct coincid gamma rai burst consequ gener unifi theori physic univers develop late physicist dewei larson page book univers motion publish gamma rai burst come supernova explos anti matter half physic univers larson call cosmic sector relationship 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