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[quote author=TheFascistMind link=topic=789978.msg8939455#msg8939455 date=1411481527]
For non-Christians, replace "Lord", "Jesus" or "only King" with the "Laws of nature". 
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Unfortunately there are no "laws of nature" for human behavior.

We have some behavior algorithms coded in our DNA, but they were developed over millions of years in a very different environment; so, when we started living in a completely different environment we had to invent all sorts of rules and devices to fool or disable those algorithms (such as hiding our genitalia under clothes when at work and in the street).

In theory, the laws of physics supposedly allow us to predict the consequences of every possible action we may take, and then we choose the action that will lead to the best outcome.

In practice, people differ enormously in the list of possible actions that they can conceive, in their knowledge of the environment (including of other people's future actions and reactions) and of the laws of physics, in their ability to simulate those laws, in their capacity ro carry out their chosen actions --- and in what they consider the "best outcome".

Because of the unnatural environment and all the unnatural conditioning of civilization, one's notion of "best" may not even include survival of self, biological reproduction, or survival of the species.   For some, "best outcome" would be having sex all day long, for some it is proving theorems or playing piano or amassing billions, for some it may even be suicide.

And nature will not tell which of those  is "right".  Nature does not say that species that survive are "better" than those that don't; it only says that species that do not survive will disapear. (That is a trivial tautology, but the genius of Darwin was precisely to see that no external agent is needed to explain why the species that exist are so well adapted to their environment: that tautology does it.)

Governments, laws and rights (including freedom and property) are not natural things, they had to be invented, much after we became human.  The only societies that have no government to speak of are hunter-gatherers in low-resource environments, who live as self-sufficient families with little contact with each other.  The "bushmen" of the Kalahari, the California indians, some Siberian peoples, the Inuit, and some Amazonian natives may be examples of these "anarchic" societies. 

But once people started gathering into farming communities and towns, they had to get goverments -- because societies without them were quickly anihilated, assimilated, or deprived of resources by societies who had them.   Indeed, governments were independently  "invented" many times, all over the world.  Even the American natives, who were hunter-getherers some 13'000 years ago, got chiefs and governments (in some cases, extremely oppressive and totalitarian) once they started living in large tribes.

The notion of "property" came only after governments, because without a government there are no "rights" -- only desires and situations of fact.  Without a government to define the rules of who has the right of property, there   ???