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261  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 03, 2015, 05:48:30 PM
I invested even more work and time on the Voynich Manuscript, and don't regret it at all.
What is your conclusion on this baffling piece of literature?

I am firmly convinced that it is not a hoax, ancient to modern.  Besides that, I have only some theories, but not much faith in any one.

I see no reason to believe that the text is unrelated to the illustrations.  So it is probably what it seems to be: a compendium of herbal, medical, and astrological stuff.  Unfortunately, only a couple of plants can be identified with certainty, and they grow all over the world.

In my view, the statistics of the text fit either: (a) some East asian language with monosyllabic words -- like Chinese, Tibetan, Vietnamese, Burmese, Thai, and several others -- encoded in an invented alphabetic script, possibly under dictation by someone who did not understand what he was writing.  Or (b) a codebook cipher, where words of the dictionary are mapped to random numbers and these are written in some invented system similar to Roman numerals.

In either hypothesis (a) or (b) I don't have much hope of deciphering it.  If (a) is true, to decipher it one must identify the language (among hundred possibilities), learn it with the vocabulary, syntax, and pronunciation of 500 years ago (and we know that Chinese changed a lot in that time), figure out the orthography that the author used (which can be very complicated because of tones) and then wrestle with the inevitable scribal errors (it is quite possible that the book we have is just a copy of an older original, made by someone who could not read it). If (b) is true codebook ciphers are notoriously hard to crack.
262  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 03, 2015, 05:29:04 PM
WAIT JUST A DAMN MINUTE. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK HAPPENED WITH LITECOIN??? Huh Huh

Indeed.  If I may be allowed to enjoy a little sadistic pleasure, let me point out that if one bought a lot of BTC on 2013-11-27 at ~1200, exchanged them all for LTC on 2015-05-15, went back to BTC today, and sold them immediately for fiat, one would have made about 10% profit.  As if the BTC price was now 1400 instead of 400.  Grin
263  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 03, 2015, 05:17:45 PM
So much this. I can' think of anything in my life that I have invested as much time as Jorge has in btc with 0 financial gain.  

Bah.  I invested even more work and time on the Voynich Manuscript, and don't regret it at all.
264  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 03, 2015, 05:15:37 PM
I bought 0.00000000 BTC when I first learned abot bitcoin -- in nov/2013, when the price was ~1200$.  So, even though my investment was fairly modest, and (as you already know) I have been able to double my holdings every day since then, I am still quite disappointed by the loss of almost 70% of the money that I put into this coin.
Time is money and you've invested plenty. I hope you are getting good returns on the time you've invested here.

Well, I did learn *a lot* of interesting and useful things from the bitcoin project, much of it from this thread.  I don't know whether it was worth the investment; but one never knows, even afterwards, what will pay out and what will turn out to have been wasted...
265  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 03, 2015, 05:25:40 AM
You say it because you are sad that you got no profit with the recent bull attack because you have no Bitcoins

I bought 0.00000000 BTC when I first learned abot bitcoin -- in nov/2013, when the price was ~1200$.  So, even though my investment was fairly modest, and (as you already know) I have been able to double my holdings every day since then, I am still quite disappointed by the loss of almost 70% of the money that I put into this coin.
266  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 03, 2015, 12:34:58 AM
every penny of profit that a bitcoin investor makes can only come from the pocket of another bitcoin investor...
that is assuming the market is a closed system, but it's not.

there's constantly new buyers entering the market, who also want a share of the pie, but the pie is very limited, so the more people want a share, the more expensive the shares become.

Sure, a lot of bears lost money, which made a lot of bulls a lot of money (for the first time in years, at this scale at least), but a lot of gains also come from new investors.
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs etc. How many times must this be repeated, Jorge?

Well, my sermons do not seem to have any effect, as you can see.  It will not spoil your fun.
267  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 02, 2015, 10:46:42 PM
one thing you should keep in mind: every penny of profit that a bitcoin investor makes can only come from the pocket of another bitcoin investor...

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Like money right?

Did I ever tell you that only fools invest in currencies?
268  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 02, 2015, 10:42:26 PM
Do you have a better explanation?  I don't see any news or rumor that could explain it.

I just posted the explanation Stolfinator.  When something like 70% of coins have been mined, price has already hit the bottom as evidenced from the last year, and the upside potential is listed below, we haven't witnessed anything close to a bubble yet:

Incoming $163,000,000,000 market cap and $7700 coins

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1235466.0

Well, six months ago 68% of the coins were already mined.  Why wasn't the price ~$340 back then?  

Didn't investors then know that, within six months, 70% of the coins would be mined?

Whatever the cause for the rally, one thing you should keep in mind: every penny of profit that a bitcoin investor makes can only come from the pocket of another bitcoin investor...
269  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 02, 2015, 10:14:43 PM
How is trollfi explaining this one?

Please, there is another user with that name (my very personal troller): do not confuse us two.

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Has the MMM ponzi also reached finex & stamp  Huh

Who knows? The MMM ponzi is global and has many imitators.  Their victims can buy their bitcoins anywhere.

The surge may be just held-up money finally reaching the exchanges after a bank holiday.

Or perhaps Sergei has un-paused the scam.

Do you have a better explanation?  I don't see any news or rumor that could explain it.

Taiwan declared it illegal after the kidnapping case; perhaps people there or in other countries are stocking it before access to exchanges is blocked?
270  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 02, 2015, 03:25:00 PM
Mike Hearn creeps me out rather a lot. He looks like the type of guy who'd guilt trip you into the sack and then wash his winkle in your washing up and walk out without saying another word. Overall though I think he's living more in the real world than the noodling Core types.
He has a certain Julian Assange flair about him.

His undoing (like Assange's) is his cockish arrogance.  At some points during his video interviews, my arrogantometer registered close to 300 millitodds.  That seems to create instant hate in some people. 

Gavin, on the other hand, registers negative on that scale, most of the time.  That in turn seems to make people dismiss him as incompetent.

Just being right gives you only a very small advantage in the business of trying to convince people.
271  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 02, 2015, 02:28:12 PM
Prepare to sell Hearn just went nuclear on the XT FUD, Core bashing in extremis ...
https://medium.com/@octskyward/on-block-sizes-e047bc9f830#.366dmgcto

He is right.

He is actually too soft on Blockstream. He forgot to mention the developers who are not on Blockstream's payroll, but work for it as contractors; and those two that are the CEO and CTO of Viacoin, another company whose chances of success depend strongly on bitcoin becoming even less usable than it is now.

But of course the Chinese day traders and MMM victims do not care about the block size war.  I bet that 99% of them could not name even one bitcoin developer, or explain what a "block" is.
272  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 02, 2015, 07:44:54 AM

Our friend and mentor, Professor Stolfi, graciously attempted to get us featured on the front page of r/buttcoin:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3qy3m7/this_is_it_the_bitcoin_killer_app/

Unfortunately, his efforts resulted in his fellow butters completely ignoring him, leaving him bereft of even a single sympathy comment.

Indeed, only 8 upvotes; a rather disappointing outcome.  Please try to be more pathetic next time, OK? 
273  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 02, 2015, 01:19:16 AM

Americans are going to vote for Donald Trump.

Who wouldn't? He's fresh, he's sexy and you've got to admire someone who says he'll have an opinion on a subject once he's been told what to think about it.

Wait, perhaps you are thinking of John McAfee?
274  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 01, 2015, 07:08:04 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if pretty much everything coming from any Bitcoin exchange ticker is manipulated by the operators and I think short of raiding the servers of these "companies" there is nothing that can be used as concrete indicator for either possibility.

Maybe not even then...  I wonder if the Japanese police has got a clear picture of what happened to the 600 kBTC that disappeared from MtGOX.  The crimes that they have charged Mark with so far do not shed light on that question.
275  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: November 01, 2015, 06:47:58 PM
why are you being so specific?
what's wrong with being specific?
As Lily Tomlin once asked, "when I was younger, I decided that I was going to be somebody; should perhaps I have been more specific?"
276  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 01, 2015, 06:35:13 PM

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Lee said: "There is a lot of mining that goes on in China. However, I caution you: do not read too much into the high trading volumes. China has decent high volumes but unfortunately two of my competition exchanges - I never like saying this - but they are artificially inflating their volumes through the technique of wash trades.
Lee said Okcoin and Huobi are known for inflating trading volumes artificially, basically selling from left hand to the right hand.
"They use it for bragging purposes. They try to outdo each other. It's not regulated yet so they don't get slapped on the wrist for doing that. China does have big trading but we are not talking about orders of magnitude higher. If you were to believe the numbers you would think the world is 95% Chinese.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/btcc-chief-bobby-lee-bitcoin-not-anti-bank-its-pro-innovation-1525964

He has been sayinng that since he lost the first place among Chinese exchanges...

Until ~2013-12-15 BTC-China's (B) volume was the largest, follwed by OKCoin's (O) then Huobi's (H). Then the Chinese govt closed the bank accounts of BTC-China and OKCoin, while Huobi continued to operate using the CEO's personal bank account.  The volume at these two crashed to nearly zero while that of Huobi more than doubled.

Eventually OKCoin got new bank accounts in Jan/2014 and recovered more than 2/3 of its pre-closure volume.  Meanwhile BTC-China tried using some voucher system, and remained with near-zero volume for another 8 months, until they got bank accounts too.

The volumes of Huobi and OKKoin varied relatively little since Dec/2014 to the start of the "MMM rally" in Sep /2015.  BTC-China on the other hand had a huge increase in volume from Sep/2014 to Apr/2015; then dropped back to roughly the same volume it had before the surge, and remained constant until Sep/2014, like the other two. At that time it was still a distant third place.

Roughly, in kBTC/week:

  Dec/2013, before decree:  B  350   O  320   H  260   Total  930
  Dec/2013, after decree:   B    0   O    0   H  600   Total  600
  Feb/2015:                 B 1310   O  830   H  620   Total 2760
  Sep/2015:                 B  160   O  730   H  420   Total 1310

So, Mr. Lee, was YOUR volume inflated before the Dec/2013 decree? Why did OKCoin's "wash trades" stop when their bank account was closed?  Was YOUR volume 80% fake between Sep/2014 and Apr/2015?  Grin Tongue

277  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 01, 2015, 12:50:57 PM
Add time span 90days and Ghana disappears.  It's not Ghana searching.  Then check cities,  it's new yorkYork,  London and Singapore.  Bank cities.
I changed it to 7 days, and Ghana is still the 2nd result, all from a single city. Someone in Akkra has a stuck F5 key, or is it a popular VPN end-point ?
Don't know,  maybe it's an important city in Africa...  nevertheless you can filter by region like usa or great Britain and we go up in all important regions

Some services that map IP to geographic coordinates return 0 degrees latitude and 0 degrees longitude when they cannot find the true location.  Those coordinates identify a point the Atlantic Ocean, in the Gulf of Guinea. The nearest land is ~600 km away, almost due north, in Ghana, ~200 km west of Accra.
278  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 01, 2015, 02:25:08 AM
I speak russian. If you dont, you can hear mavrodi repeating  "pauza" like 20 times.
why would you post video about withdrawals not working on your official channel? you want to keep this going in other places as long as you can.
Why post a video at all? Like I said, I don't have a clue what it's about. I'll leave it to the experts.

Well, if he pauses the system a few times, and each time he reopens after a couple of days, then, when he closes it for good, the victims will wait patiently for several days before panicking and calling the cops...
279  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 31, 2015, 06:54:21 AM
Just thought I'd point out the current CNY USD rate , per today according to http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USDCNY:CUR , to dispel any notion that the chinese exchanges are not running at a +$25 differential to the western exchanges as a result of a not updated exchange rate on bitcoinwisdom and whatever other btc price trackers are being used - yes it's true the CNY has devalued somewhat the past couple days/weeks , but , they are indeed trading at ~$350 USD per current spot rate (2215 / 6.3174 = $350.62) at time of this post. The CNY would have to be devalued by roughly 9% additionally VS USD (a rate of 6.8154) to be considered to be trading at an equivalent price. Since a 9% devaluation overnight of the CNY is highly unlikely to say the least , it's up to the western exchanges to catch up at this point to their $350 (or at least we should have pretty good justification not to dump alongside the chinese exchanges , which are in fact most certainly already trading at a significantly higher rate).

Thanks for doing the math that I should have done.  So the difference is real and not due to the exchange rate; and it is new (on June 19, for example, the prices were ~1422 CNY and ~228 USD, which are consistent with the exchange rate at the time, 1:6.21.)
280  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 31, 2015, 04:29:59 AM
Do as the Russian's do: http://coin.dance/charts


Well, that is another possible explanation for the rally of the last 30 days: the Russians are stocking on bitcoins, by buying at their Localbitcoins, before the new law goes into effect.

If I understood correctly, new law is going to criminalize the trading of bitcoins in Russia -- that is, local exchanges and Locabitcoins.  It cannot do much about Russians using bitcoins for illegal payments, or truly private trade (not going through Localbitcoins).  Hence, it seems to me that Russians who will not be able to use BTC-e (or are afraid of being tracked if they do) will try to buy at Localbitcoin as much as they can, while they can.  
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