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RMS (Score:2, Funny)
by Ex Machina
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on Tuesday July 25, @11:42AM EDT
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RMS' eyeball is going to explode if any other companies release an Open Source program (under a QT-ish or MPL-ish) license and call it Free Software.
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- Re:RMS by hedgehog_uk (Score:2) Tuesday July 25, @04:31PM EDT
- Re:RMS by mlc (Score:1) Tuesday July 25, @12:25PM EDT
- Re:RMS by Vagatech (Score:1) Tuesday July 25, @02:20PM EDT
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Nice License choice (Score:3, Insightful)
by Scrag
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on Tuesday July 25, @11:44AM EDT
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This license is even less restrictive than the GPL... It's not every day we get software of this quality under a license this non-restrictive. Lets all write to Borland and thank them, maybe it will send a message. If they got good feedback it could mean more quality open-source.
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- Re:Nice License choice by 11223 (Score:1) Tuesday July 25, @11:49AM EDT
- Re:Nice License choice by munition (Score:1) Tuesday July 25, @11:53AM EDT
- Re:Nice License choice by Segfault 11 (Score:2) Tuesday July 25, @11:58AM EDT
- Re:Nice License choice by panda (Score:2) Tuesday July 25, @12:06PM EDT
- Re:Nice License choice by Scrag (Score:2) Tuesday July 25, @12:07PM EDT
Better? (Score:5, Insightful)
by Amokscience on Tuesday July 25, @12:25PM EDT
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Depends entirely on your viewpoint and the circumstances. If you can be hurt by others commercializing your software then the choice is obvious. If you want any developer for any reason then the choice is equally easy. If you have a deep personal belief that all code should be and remain free then the choice is again easy.
GPLed software is not free in the anyone can do what he/she pleases view. It is free in the sense that no one can subvert it for his/her own public uses.
With (almost)truly free licenses like the BSD license the thing people seem to object to is the purpose of the license. You are allowed to make your project closed and commercial. This is not a drawback nor a feature. It is entirely dependant on your position and point of view. If you think all code should always be available then you of course dislike this license.
Software ultimately fulfills the needs of a customer. Sometimes that customer is the developer, other times it is end users, and sometimes it is both develoepr and users. I fail to see how the GPL is more free to the end user. The end user is not even involved with the code (maybe to compile it). It is however, sometimes, more *beneficial* to the end user. This is entirely dependant on having competent developers.
It seems to me that the vast majority of "Open" licenses are targeted almost entirely at developers. As others have said, the end user (unless a developer) doesn't care what the license is. They want a working product so they can get work done or have fun.
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- Re:Better? by Segfault 11 (Score:1) Tuesday July 25, @02:33PM EDT
- Re:Better? by Admiral Burrito (Score:2) Tuesday July 25, @03:09PM EDT
- Re:Nice License choice by istartedi (Score:2) Tuesday July 25, @12:52PM EDT
- Users vs. Developers by Arker (Score:1) Tuesday July 25, @02:22PM EDT
- Re:Nice License choice by _xeno_ (Score:1) Tuesday July 25, @12:17PM EDT
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- Re:Nice License choice by pope nihil (Score:1) Tuesday July 25, @01:10PM EDT
- Re:Nice License choice by fm6 (Score:1) Tuesday July 25, @01:19PM EDT
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InterBase Corp.: still alive? (Score:1)
by latemus
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on Tuesday July 25, @11:45AM EDT
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Isn't it interesting that the press release doesn't mention InterBase Corporation (www.interbase.com)?
I suppose the delay was mainly due to problems with the new company since the software was finished already by end of June.
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interest part of license, help me (Score:1)
by idlmx on Tuesday July 25, @11:47AM EDT
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"Any Modification which You create or to which You contribute must be made available in Source Code form under the terms of this License either on the same media as an Executable version or via an accepted Electronic Distribution Mechanism to anyone to whom you made an Executable version available; "
- What this means is that if I modify the program, contrary to popular opinion, I only need to make the source available to people I provide the source code, this applies to a lot of license, why don't people see this? For example, if I have a hardware running linux, and I didn't make the executable avaiable to you, ie, the SETI hardware (irrelevant of if it is real or not), I am not obligiated to release the source. Am I wrong or right? I do like to know.
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Excellent (Score:4, Informative)
by rockwall on Tuesday July 25, @11:50AM EDT
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As far as I'm concerned, InterBase is a pretty good piece of software. In my experiences with it, it's always performed up to expectations and it does everything I've ever needed it to do. I'm not saying it's right for everyone, but definitely check it out if you haven't done so yet.
If, on the other hand, you're already a devoted or knowledgable user, make sure you visit the Interbase developer's handbook. It's a worthwhile project that could use your help.
I'm excited about this version of Interbase. (Insofar as one can conceivably be exciting about a database -- sign of a true geek, huh?)
yours,
john
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MySQL vs Interbase ? (Score:2, Interesting)
by Betcour on Tuesday July 25, @11:50AM EDT
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Humm - I wonder if it wouldn't be worth switching my sites from MySQL to Interbase. I could certainly use the transactions, row level locking, constraints, etc... anyone knows how slow/fast Interbase is ?
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something wrong with the links (Score:1, Informative)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 25, @11:51AM EDT
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those links to the linux binaries are wrong, you
have to change the file name to IC160001LinuxJRE12.tar.gz
(the links point to IC16001LinuxJRE12.tar which gets a 404)
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Cobalt RaQ4 ships with Interbase (Score:3, Informative)
by dagnabit on Tuesday July 25, @12:01PM EDT
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Cobalt Networks' new RaQ4 is shipping with Interbase preinstalled...
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JDBC 2.0 driver coming ?? (Score:1)
by matsh on Tuesday July 25, @12:03PM EDT
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Anyone knows?
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Effects on other free databases (Score:3, Informative)
by azz
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on Tuesday July 25, @12:14PM EDT
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| Wow! Thanks, Borland. I'm going to enjoy playing with this tonight.
I wonder how this is going to affect PostgreSQL and MySQL? It'll be interesting to see if it sucks developers away or not. I suspect it won't, as database specialists are few and far between...
And while I'm here, did Slashdot miss Redhat's GPL release of Source Navigator (Cygnus's IDE)? Hmmmm... I don't think I'm going to get any sleep tonight. :)
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How much does it cost? (Score:2)
by Carnage4Life on Tuesday July 25, @12:15PM EDT
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I've searched the site for 10 minutes and have not been able to find anything so can someone please provide a link or answer how much it'll cost for a support license for DB that will be used by 20 to 30 employees who will all be accessing it over a local intranet via a web interface?
I am working on my final project for school which involves writing a project management application for a local business and unfortunately all the current RDBMS costs for Windows are in thousands of dollars (Oracle, SQL Server, DB2). We do not plan to support the software after the project is done so a support license is necessary.
PS: I didn't mention mySQL because it isn't an RDBMS. Read the definition of an RDBMS as well as that of a relational database or simply read C.J.Date's reviews of E.F. Codd's seminal 1970 work on relational DBs. Here's part two and part three of C.J. Date's work for anyone who's interested.
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Interbase Rocks (Score:1)
by thomas jaeger on Tuesday July 25, @12:25PM EDT
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Finally, Interbase v6.0 is available to all: The developers and end users. Best of all, what used to cost over $10,000 a server license back in the early 90's can now be used freely. But, the best is that it does kick MySQL and all other wannabes asses big time. I high quality product for Windows, Linux, and Solaris.
Great Job, Interbase Corp. I wish you the best of luck to survive and make enough money on the technical support.
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The question is (Score:1)
by jjr
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on Tuesday July 25, @12:28PM EDT
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Will this send a message to Microsoft/Oracle? I hope so. So people implement it at home where you can so we can make it the best product out there.
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Couple of oddities (Score:1)
by drnomad on Tuesday July 25, @12:28PM EDT
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Bet I was the first one to submit this story on Slashdot, but anyway, funny thing is that their license says you cannot use their trademark 'InterBase'.
I'm pleased to see InterBase being Open Source, it probably 's got something to do with Kylix.
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Didn't get the source quite cleaned up (Score:4, Funny)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 25, @12:32PM EDT
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/* these constants are purely idiotic; there's no point in having
a predefined constant with no meaning, but that's Ed Simon the
master programmer for you! */
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#define BUFFER_LENGTH360 360
#define BUFFER_LENGTH400 400
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Yet another incompatible license (Score:1)
by Julian Morrison
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on Tuesday July 25, @12:36PM EDT
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Don't these people realise how much of the benefits of Open Source they're giving up, by isolating their code?
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Solid Comparisions (Score:2, Interesting)
by augustz
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on Tuesday July 25, @12:44PM EDT
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Would love to see someone throw up even a seat of the pants review of the three open source databases that have been getting a lot of attention. Interbase, MySQL and PostrgreSQL.
Would be great if it included a mix or performance, scalability information, and a look at the feature sets offered.
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comparison (Score:1)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 25, @12:56PM EDT
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hmmmm....
number of products shipped by Borland under the MPL - 1
number of products shipped by Netscape under the MPL - 0
Anybody else find this just a little sad?
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A nitpick (Score:3, Informative)
by PD
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on Tuesday July 25, @12:56PM EDT
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The directories they chose for the RPM file are pretty bad.
They put files into a directory called /opt/interbase. Most Linux boxes don't have an /opt tree. That seems to be a Solaris thing.
Second, they stick their libraries and headers into /usr/include and /usr/lib. This is OK I guess, but they stick a single program into the directory /usr/local/sbin. Why not stick to the pattern they established and put it into /usr/sbin?
That's just a nit though. I suppose all that will be fixed once Debian includes it.
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- Re:A nitpick by hedgehog_uk (Score:3) Tuesday July 25, @01:13PM EDT
- Re:A nitpick by Ewan (Score:1) Tuesday July 25, @01:42PM EDT
- Re:A nitpick by jallen02 (Score:1) Tuesday July 25, @02:06PM EDT
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Thinning of Developers (Score:1)
by miracle69
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I have to wonder how all these major projects affect other open source projects. We already have thousands of people working on the kernel, Mozilla, KDE & Gnome (with associated proggies and office suites), X, and other smaller, but just as noble projects.
Now, in the past few days, several other large resource suckers - Star Office and now Interbase.
How many major projects can be going at once before the developer pool becomes sparse?
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Inprise is shifting directions (Score:1)
by Conspire on Tuesday July 25, @01:04PM EDT
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Well, it is good to see, even though it is "IPL'd" license.
What strikes me as more odd is this exerpt from the press release:
"Inprise Corporation (referred to in this press release as Inprise/Borland) is a leading provider of Internet access infrastructure and application development tools and services for most major platforms, including Linux(r), Solaris(tm) and Windows(r)."
Now, it seems to me like this is definately a primer for Kylix. I am not knocking Inprise, I think Kylix could be a huge kick in the rear for Linux to go mainstream, but really........since when have Borland/Inprise ever been a leading supplier of Linux dev. tools? Ok, so they WANT to be a leading supplier, but why claim you are when you are'nt....yet.???? Marketing oh marketing....
And, why in the world did they put Linux and Solaris in front of windoze in that sentence? I mean, Delphi was made what it was today because of windoze.
My guess is....the guys at Borland/Inprise have had so much fun porting to Linux and yes...Solaris that they are just excited with creaming-jeans and want to tell the world that they are now converts. I mean surely the port must be a piece of pie without the blue screen coming up every half hour....hehe.
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Interbase (Score:4, Interesting)
by jallen02
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I found myself wondering exactly what Interbase
could do for me
So I dug through their site (not hard to find) and found this lil gem
Interbase Product Overview
Interbase has some very awesome features. The overview took the tone of a semi marketing type item yet it was infomrative and if you read through some of the garbage its rather clear to see as a programmer/developer what Interbase offers.
Some of the features that stuck out in my mind from the over view.
-Small memory footprint
-Triggers
-Stored Procedures
-User Definable Functions with some 'libraries' per say already defined for math and string handling
-Alert events
EX:A certain item goes below xyz dollars it can send an alert using some sort of constant polling method. I am not sure exactly what this one was.. but basically it looks like whenever changes are done to the table if certain criteria are met it can call up a stored proc/UDF or something. This is a bit more powerful than a trigger or a stored procedure since you do not have to do any speical coding on a insert/update/delete.
Some other interesting things... There was a *LOAD* of case studies on the interbase site.
Case Studies
I looked at some of these and they were real industry proven case studies IMO.
Its Free.. and it has a good reputation
You can buy support for it
It appears to be VERY ANSI Compliant and supports all the trappings of MS SQL Server..
It also claimed to be self optimizing... anyways hope this provided a little information.
Jeremy
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- Re:Interbase by jallen02 (Score:1) Tuesday July 25, @06:28PM EDT
- Re:Interbase by Malcontent (Score:3) Tuesday July 25, @06:47PM EDT
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What can it do? (Score:1)
by geoffeg
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on Tuesday July 25, @01:10PM EDT
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I've looked over the interbase website but I can't seem to find much information about the product itself and it's capabilities so I will ask the slashdot community:
* What SQL-based features does it have and lack?
* What are the memory and CPU requirements?
* How stable is it?
* How does it compare to Postgres, Oracle and MySQL (in speed and features)?
* How well does it scale? Any clustering cabilities?
Thanks,
Geoff
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Stability Comparison to MySQL (Score:1)
by NRLax27
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I am just about to roll out a pretty big database application for a school I work at. I was using MySQL as the back end. There is a discussion above that states that Interbase is as fast as MySQL. Does anyone know how they compare in terms of stability? There is one mention of Interbase crashing every 3 months. This is obviously not A Good Thing (tm).
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Interbase vs MySQL? (Score:1)
by Capitalist Dog...
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Can anyone comment on the advantages of using
Interbase as opposed to MySQL?
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Connectivity from other apps? (Score:1, Troll)
by drinkypoo on Tuesday July 25, @02:34PM EDT
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So now what I want to know is, how do I interface to this sucker? I'm kind of a bozo when it comes to programming, so if you tell me to "use the source" I'm going to offer you a rectally fitted foot.
I see there's a JDBC driver. I assume there's an ODBC driver. Is there a perl module? How much does the C library suck?
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IPL?? (Score:2)
by RPoet
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Why so many licenses? Now, this custom-written license for ONE specific product, Interbase. Does this imply that Borland is never going to release source under such an open license? Or will they carbon-copy-and-rename the license for every other "IPL" licensed product?
Is the IPL approved by the Open Source Initiative?
Methinks all these new licenses are bloating the license namespace ;)
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Zope Database Adapter (Score:1)
by Xar
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on Tuesday July 25, @02:57PM EDT
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Anyone out there with an interest in InterBase and Zope should know that there is a nice, multi-threaded, Database Adapter for Zope called gvibDA.
Zope and InterBase make an awesome combination for building database backed websites.
Enjoy.
--Xar
Don't let the 0.1 version number scare you. It's quite usable.
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SlashCode - InterBase? (Score:1)
by smagruder
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on Tuesday July 25, @02:58PM EDT
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Lookin' forward to the version of SlashCode that uses InterBase rather than MySQL. :)
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How is it in practice? (Score:3, Interesting)
by AugstWest
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We're looking at paying our Oracle tax in a few months, and I'm not looking forward to it.
We're building a portal on EJB, and we need a rock-solid backend. Everyone of course trusts Oracle, but my GOD do you ever pay for it.
What've been people's experiences so far with this DB?
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Additional features (Score:1)
by shadrack on Tuesday July 25, @05:09PM EDT
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Interbase also runs on Win98/NT. Unlike MS SQL, you can design/develop on those platforms, and deploy on any supported platform. This is truly great. Previous to ver 6, IB on Win98 would legally support up to 5 users. Don't know how this works now.
There is also the possibility this could have a direct negative impact on crappy MS ACCESS, once the ODBC drivers are stable. A real commercial quality RDBMS to deploy for those stuck in Win98/VB land (thankfully I am not).
Hurray
Please no flames, just pointing out facts.
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My problems with Interbase (Score:2)
by doom
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on Tuesday July 25, @06:33PM EDT
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| Go to www.borland.com, and take a look at the announcement. See the
slogan? "The OPEN Source Database". Okay, you
can argue that MySQL has only just gone GPL,
and isn't really much of a database program. But what happened to postgresql?
This kind of, uh, "marketing" does not inspire confidence.
Someday I hope the open source world will progress
to the point where it will stop getting excited
every time some corporation tosses a failing
product over the wall.
Incidentally, from eavesdropping on the postgresql developer list, I gather that their take on
interbase is that postgresql will be as good
or better by around 7.1 or 7.2 (the current release is 7.0). I believe the only key feature
postgresql is missing at the moment is outer
joins.
(Warning, blatant religious evangelism follows.)
Postgresql is BSD liscensed, and has a really good
team of open source developers actively working
on it, including Tom Lane and Bruce Momjian...
(unlike Inprise, which is now in the position
of trying to drum up community support using
an MPL-style license).
Postgresql has been making rapid improvements over the last year or so (though it still has the worst name of any software project, ever...). Bruce Momjian has a book coming out about postgresql and the full text is available online.
Commercial support for postgresql is
available from places such as Great Bridge.
(And whatever you do, don't mention Perl in this
thread, or you'll have the Python fanatics in here
too.)
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Article at ZDNet (Score:1)
by Ranx on Tuesday July 25, @07:43PM EDT
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| Haven't read enough?
Read this (rather old) article which compares Interbase with PostgreSQL and MySQL.
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http://www.bitstorm.org/gates/
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Re:Interbase and conixon.com (Score:1)
by PotatoNO
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So if it's open source (is the license close enough to consider this actually being open?) why couldn't the community just embrace and extend them back? Or at least use some of the code in other projects (Postgres,My)
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Re:That Stallman guy.. eh? (Score:2)
by Malcontent
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on Tuesday July 25, @07:18PM EDT
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Apparently there is nothing wrong with bad mouthing people who disagree with you either. Hey aren't you doing exactly what you are complaining about? So RMS speaks his mind and critisizes people who disagree with him so what? So his followers also speak out what of it?
At least he does not pay people to pretend they agree with him, hire advertising agencies, or PR firms like every single corporation does. At least he does not spend a billion dollars a year telling you that GPL is better then MPL like coke and pepsi do.
He believes something passionately and speaks his mind. He is convincing and other people choose to help him carry his message. Hos is this different then Rush Limbaugh or Dubya bush?
I guess it's OK for corporate lackeys to rail against Unions but not OK for RMS to speak out against insane IP laws.
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Posted by CmdrTaco on Tuesday July 25, @11:39AM
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