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even can conclus prove that unicorn exist anywher assum that god exist make assumpt cannot test cannot make exhaust search god prove that doesn exist anywher sceptic atheist assum default that god not exist sinc that assumpt can test profess strong atheism not claim that sort god exist gener restrict claim cover varieti god describ follow religion whilst imposs prove conclus that god exist prove that god describ religi book not exist even prove that god describ present dai religion exist practic believ that god describ religion exist close believ that god exist suffici that counter argument base imposs disprov kind god not applic god essenti detect god interact univers effect interact measur interact univers detect god essenti detect case that not interact univers atheist argu that god not interact univers import whether exist not bibl believ god easili detect israelit sure detect todai note that not demand that god interact scientif verifi physic sure perceiv effect caus presenc can distinguish thing that don exist you philosoph justif for atheism isn religi belief common pastim philosoph discuss redefinit game cynic view thi game follow person begin make contenti statement person point that can true person gradual defin word us statement arriv person prepar accept record statement fact that person agre and continu eventu statement agre fact origin definit word obscur redefinit origin need agre appar inconsist will tend plai point thi digress that answer question isn atheism religi belief depend crucial meant religi religion gener character belief superhuman control power sort god and faith and worship worth point pass that varieti buddhism not religion such definit atheism not belief sort superhuman power categor worship meaning sens widen definit religi encompass atheism result aspect human behaviour suddenli class religi such scienc polit and watch not religion sure belief atheism scienc act faith religion firstli not clear that sceptic atheism believ secondli adopt number core belief assumpt make sort sens sensori data experi atheist adopt core belief and even subject question experi throw into doubt scienc number core assumpt for exampl gener assum that law physic for observ sort core assumpt atheist make such basic idea call act faith almost base act faith and term lose mean faith us refer complet belief such definit atheism and scienc not act faith individu atheist scientist can dogmat religi follow claim that thi not gener tendenc atheist reluct state certainti that univers exist faith us refer belief support evid proof sceptic atheism doesn fit that definit sceptic atheism belief strong atheism closer doesn match even dogmat atheist will tend refer experiment data lack assert that god not exist atheism not religi sure anti religi unfortun human tendenc label for friend enemi truth not clear cut atheism posit that run logic counter theism that sens can anti religion religi believ speak atheist anti religi mean that atheist sort antipathi hatr theist thi categor atheist hostil religion quit unfair atheist attitud theist fact cover broad spectrum atheist live and live attitud question will not mention atheism perhap close friend thi part atheism not social accept countri atheist quit anti religi and even convert histor such anti religi atheist made impact societi eastern bloc countri digress slightli soviet union origin dedic separ church and state usa soviet citizen legal free worship wish institut state atheism stalin control soviet union and destroi church order gain complet power popul atheist quit vocal belief religion encroach matter not busi for exampl govern usa such individu concern that church and state remain separ you don religion run state sure that state atheism principl separ church and state that state not legisl matter religi belief mean not that state cannot promot religion expens anoth that cannot promot belief religi natur religion can discuss pure secular matter for exampl religi believ histor respons for encourag polit reform even todai organ campaign for increas spend foreign aid found religi campaign long campaign secular matter and long not discrimin religi ground atheist quit happi prayer school god you care peopl prai peopl prai voter and lawmak and tend thing that don prai can ignor christian prayer school intimid christian even told that not join divers religi and religi belief mean that imposs formul meaning prayer that will accept present public event prayer tend friend and famili prai reason care friend and famili wast time even motiv you mention christian campaign for increas foreign aid atheist aren atheist chariti hospit don atheist object religi chariti chariti religi purpos that atheist can contribut atheist contribut religi chariti for sake practic good atheist even voluntari work for chariti found theistic basi atheist feel that atheism isn worth shout connect chariti atheism simpl obviou everydai matter and chariti feel that somewhat cheap not righteou us simpl chariti excus plug set religi belief weak atheist build hospit not god strang idea hold parti todai not birthdai fuss atheism rare evangel you atheism isn anti religi perhap backlash upbring rebel perhap for peopl parent not attempt forc religi atheist idea and peopl choos call atheist doubtless case that religi peopl chose religion backlash atheist upbring hand peopl choos religion conform expect can conclud whether atheism religion backlash conform gener peopl tendenc group act independ atheist differ religi peopl don god that atheist listen heavi metal backward even prefer verdi requiem even word wear hawaiian shirt dress black even wear orang robe buddhist lack belief sort god atheist even carri copi bibl for argu you chanc you met atheist realis atheist unexcept behaviour and appear unexcept aren atheist moral religi peopl that depend you defin moral obedi god atheist moral don obei god talk moral talk accept and unaccept wrong behaviour societi human social anim and maxim success oper each thi good reason discourag atheist anti social immor behaviour pure for purpos preserv atheist behav moral compassion simpli feel natur tendenc empath human care happen don simpli that natur peopl behav immor and us atheism justifi action equal peopl behav immor and us religi belief justifi action for exampl trustworthi that deserv full accept jesu christ into world save sinner for that reason shown merci that jesu christ displai unlimit patienc exampl for and receiv etern life king etern immort invis god honor and glori forev and quot statement made court februari jeffrei dahmer notori cannib serial killer milwauke wisconsin that for atheist mass murder religi mass murder trivial moral survei conduct roper organ found that behavior deterior born experi respond had driven intox born had convers similarli had us illeg drug convers two percent admit engag illicit sex salvat freethought todai septemb that religion not monopoli moral behaviour such thing atheist moral you mean such thing moral for atheist answer explain atheist idea moral strong held religi peopl you mean atheism characterist moral code answer atheism not impli person will behav atheist follow moral rule theist for reason atheist view moral creat human human feel world work set rule decre supernatur aren atheist theist deni god studi freedom religion foundat found that atheist respond atheist religion not work for had found that religi belief fundament incompat observ atheist not unbeliev ignor denial unbeliev choic vast major spent time studi religion sometim great depth made care and consid decis reject religi belief thi decis inevit consequ that individu person for natur sceptic person choic atheism that make sens and choic that person can honestli make don atheist want god atheist live live watch desir watch matter good natur big brother figur atheist god thing true risk such approach obviou atheist decid that want not evid for belief atheist evid for exist god unwil soul not atheist previous religi explain vast major consid possibl that god exist atheist spent time prayer reach god true that atheist lack open mind assum that atheist bias and insincer offens and close mind comment such god you aren properli like view patron you engag philosoph debat atheist vital that you give benefit doubt and assum that sincer that search for god you not will that basic tell truth debat futil isn life complet pointless atheist atheist live purpos life decid mean life and pursu goal make live count not wish for etern life influenc peopl will live for exampl atheist dedic life polit reform hope leav mark histori natur human tendenc for mean purpos random event mean obviou that life sort thing that mean put anoth not question sensibl thing atheist that ask mean life silli ask mean cup coffe that life purpos mean atheist find comfort time danger wai obtain comfort famili friend even pet spiritu level food drink that sound empti and vulner face danger individu thing comfort face realiti matter harsh end decis for individu concern atheist unabl not make feel comfort put truth comfort and that search for truth sometim make feel unhappi that hard luck don atheist worri that suddenli shown wrong short answer you atheist atheist for year encount argument and suppos evid for exist god found invalid inconclus thousand year religi belief haven result good proof exist god atheist tend feel that prove wrong futur and stop worri theist question belief don argument appli belief question not similar weak atheism sceptic default posit assert noth strong atheism neg belief theism strong posit belief atheist sometim argu that theist question belief real harm can not believ sort harm religion repres huge financi and work burden mankind not matter religi believ wast monei church build time and effort spent build church prai and imagin that effort spent theist miracl heal plenti instanc ill peopl heal priest ceas medicin prescrib doctor and dy result theist di refus blood transfus religi ground arguabl that cathol church opposit birth control and condom increas problem overpopul world countri and contribut spread aid world wide religi believ murder children children becom atheist marri religion weren real believ claim believ sort excus make real believ true religion hard christian compet group convinc that true christian sometim even fight and kill each atheist suppos decid real christian and isn even major christian church cathol church and church england can decid end atheist pragmat view and decid that call christian and christian belief dogma justifi action consid christian christian pervert christian teach for end sure bibl can readili us support christian act can moral code bibl word god couldn made easi misinterpret and you that your belief aren pervers your god intend singl unambigu interpret bibl atheist interpret anoth your claim that believ jesu and that murder jesu and bibl told call christian extrem sort belief question sinc prove that god not exist that basic religi belief share faith nonsens that not hold point start thi dialogu posit assert exist entiti inher harder disprov neg prove that unicorn don exist that doesn make that myth valid hold neg assert default hold posit assert default weak atheist argu that assert noth atheism great theist popular belief correct whether work peopl astrolog grapholog and pseudo scienc atheist feel that simpli human weak want god primit human societi religion peopl deal phenomena that not adequ understand religion that industri world find peopl believ religi explan phenomena even perfectli adequ natur explan religion start mean attempt explain world nowadai serv purpos cultur develop religion sure that not religion superfici similar for exampl worth rememb that religion such buddhism and taoism lack sort concept god christian sens religion quick denounc compet religion odd us religion and justifi anoth famou scientist and philosoph conclud that god exist for scientist philosoph believ god not point truth belief not determin peopl import realiz that atheist not view famou scientist philosoph that theist view religi leader famou scientist human expert field talk matter word carri special weight respect scientist made foolish speak subject lie field expertis you that widespread belief religion noth not that religion question properti help spread theori memet talk meme set idea can propag human mind analog gene atheist view religion set success parasit meme spread encourag host convert meme avoid destruct discourag believ question doctrin peer pressur time believ admit that mistaken religi meme even encourag host destroi host control meme memet view virtu associ success propag meme religion not good thing number peopl diseas good thing number peopl caught even religion not true put across import messag fundament messag atheism import idea atheist promot don surpris idea present religion moral behaviour mindlessli rule sceptic posit claim you want your life sort mean you find search for true even make you uncomfort make your life you good reli extern power chang you you chang popular doesn mean good you assum assum easi test don thing you want true and final and importantli belief open question for take time read thi articl mathew for inform pgp send mail pgpinfo manti
alt.atheism	gospel date articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write john quit not necessarili elabor theologi evid that luke and that content not canon form thi argument you elabor argument follow oid quot john not almost codifi matthew luke consid similar point knowledg such and not sourc assum that knew luke put luke and give evid for assumpt don thi follow you tradit attribut luke john john elder figur case talk span time rang lifetim talk date text not ag author usual explan for time order mark matthew and luke not respect ag matthew read text mark and luke that matthew and that mark assum that john knew content luke text evid for that not overwhelm admittedli earlier manuscript john discov interest and date haven info hand late earli and possibl shed doubt order put john rest don your point exactli jame felder had hand knowledg event and obviou that two us older text base account and even associ luke paul mark peter not gener accept genuin letter peter close wouldn origin togeth card sender and receiv fine that suppos miss and don step remov sourc that bad luke and mark and matthew learn stori directli dicipl cannot sort big transform jesu gospel that peopl posit new report gener get inform thi and john dicipl noth that john discipl not gener accept style and languag togeth theologi us counterargu argument that john discipl reli claim gospel john evid for step and gener remov bad even time compar that report similar event centuri almost illiter societi not even speak that believ not necessarili sourc obviou that mark edit oldest manuscript knowledg can antiqu oldest quit estim and not even complet clear edit problem end and basic hopeless mess oldest version give strong sens incomplet point shortest version break midsent obviou solut that point part text lost materi vers pretti and repres synopsi end luke word not origin mark and argument base mark pretti weak that connect redat john benedikt
alt.atheism	univers violat separ church state dmn kepler unh edu king becom philosoph philosoph becom king write recent ra order and resist care appar post religi flyer entitl soul scroll thought religion spiritu and matter soul insid bathroom stall door school univers hampshir sort newslett assembl hall director campu pose question spiritu each issu and solicit respons includ issu pretti vagu assum put christian care not mention jesu bibl heard defend doesn support religion thi state univers and strong support separ church and state enrag can thi sound scream for parodi give copi your friendli neighbourhood subgeniu preacher luck run mental mincer and hand you back outrag offens and gut bustingli funni parodi you can past origin can stool scroll thought religion spiritu and matter colon you can us thi text wipe mathew
alt.atheism	soc motss princeton ax match fund for boi scout articl apr harder ccr ida org harder ccr ida org bob mcgwier write hate econom terror and polit correct wors hate thi polici effect approach stop donat organiz that directli indirectli support gai right issu end boycott fund scout can reconcil appar contradict and rob strom strom watson ibm ibm research mill river road box yorktown height
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write didn you lucif creat perfect natur defin perfect you plai usual game make sweep statement omni holi perfect and don note that mean exactli and that that you not us thi term lead contradict not plai game understand that come complet point view such atheism your foot your mouth wonder that cathol christian fact that contradict unresolv reason atheist believ similar sentenc for long time that show power religion and not claim god prevent lucif fall take abil choos moral altern worship god worship that mean that god error make lucif free will place exactli god evil evil that opinion premis point view not premis true specif that evil evil occur follow definit evil ordinarili us let evil happen allow evil place thi place even caus evil anoth evil you give definit free will presenc omnisci will determin word god creat consciou be abil choos moral choic independ god will free will omnisci attribut god will creatur will even omnipot creat choic left event fix not even for omnisci extend argument jame tim god omnisci creat be free moral choic greater good emerg ungodli evil sin sinc creat know outcom advanc greater good evil knowledg that will happen not make unipolar system possibl good not good that not necessarili impli evil logic your god not not that such logic god restrain free choic choos evil and simpli not good can that free moral choic and good defin love and obei god and avoid behavior god prohibit can you that not good not evil not that not good evil logic and not omnipot can free will you choic and scenario you defin free will imagin can good be cannot harm easili implement make object good deed don make long for can not feel absenc good evil case argu conceiv omnipot can not omnipot you want logic consist you give pet idea omnipot delet perhap weak specul ubiquit pink unicorn basi for such specul thi idea god didn fall blue read scienc fiction fantasi that will disagre bibl describ god omnisci and nevertheless creat be free moral choic definit logic follow that not mind amount evid that god exist and that biblic descript fair that evid bolster argument view that bibl describ omnisci and omnipot god destroi credibl bibl noth and lot peopl interest evid for god can definit benedikt
alt.atheism	polit atheist arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write motto origin star spangl banner that thi atheist motto coin origin mccarthyit smear equat atheism commun and call unamerican didn motto coin sinc civil war requir currenc keith
alt.atheism	anecdot islam articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write victim muslim victim not true muslim muslim quit annoi don understand point thi petti sarcasm basic principl islam that born muslim testifi that god god and mohammad prophet god that long not explicitli reject islam word consid muslim muslim phenomenon you attempt make into gener rule psycholog direct odd basic islam principl you want attack islam you argu that islam explicitli contradict critic islam for chang critic argument us whenev peopl you identifi muslim victim attack us argument for bad situat muslim whenev deed muslim that victim name not count argument peopl not true muslim mention made muslim bad situat anoth parti doubl standard benedikt
alt.atheism	polit atheist refer line trim livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write good deal confus you start assert that object moral and you admit you finish recurs definit murder object immor eactli murder and not requir appeal moral you switch target you ask goal you mean goal you suggest that object goal and form moral achiev for exampl goal natur moral surviv and propog speci anoth exampl moral system present declar independ state that guarante life liberti and pursuit happi you moral system defin purpos system that moral end murder violat golden rule and thought had defin murder intent kill murder will and you respond thi ask whether not execut innoc person system capit punish murder not fail thi never claim that system moral object thought that your claim that kind object moral and that exampl that that murder wrong you don want claim that that fine murder violat golen rule pillar moral system not assum that current system and manner implement object moral that good approxim can perfect and you don understand differ arbitrari and object keith schneider defin murder thi that and that arbitrari jon livesei person system moral kill human will murder and wrong and legal definit murder usa kuweit saudi arabia prc matter not whit object assum system base clear and fundament concept arbitari impli clear line reason keith
alt.atheism	pompou ass kmr cwru edu keith ryan write peopl ask question and you rare answer nope answer each question pose and answer multipl time keith
alt.atheism	pompou ass livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write long motto stai becom default cutoff point don exact cutoff year and sure year notion default not into account popul makeup specif you talk you argu that motto interpret offens larger portion popul year ago keith
alt.atheism	keith schneider stealth poster sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write borrow philosophi you don understand color red you not true even you experienc color red you interpret you wouldn red and you couldn judg subject and object not applic sinc you want discuss merit red keith
alt.atheism	keith schneider stealth poster arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write you discuss merit racism psycholg benefit you experienc person you speak experienc religion you mean religion that and thi pretti imposs ideal for religion and determin thought suit thi not not that religion warrant belief belief carri psycholog benefit psycholog burden you speak experienc racism you mean that racism that racist thing for parallel you meant odd usag phrase psycholog benefit gain racism fulli understood judg person believ racism parallel happen poor you origin keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write you don that capit punish wrong isn shoot analog that you continu drive your car realiz that sooner kill automobil accid you peopl kill result drive you continu you not that you will kill not drive car had suffici evid conclud that necessarili kill lifetim and think you think that involv fatal accid likelihood surprisingli high you man fire squad gun shoot blank not mean that you guilti don jon take human life murder and murder wrong situat action that will prevent anoth murder anoth you mean that kill wrong situt and you note that that situat will never occur option kill don you that kill wrong thi basic you get bit tire your probabilist argument you attempt condescend that system work pretti small consol poor innoc bastard get lethal inject your person human life base sole statist approach you sound unswerv adher outweigh fuck peopl found risk accept you like die plane crash even electr blender you execut innoc person that risk accept ideal moral system such risk accept accept fudg factor such approxim ideal keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write that peopl approv death penalti even realiz shortcom doesn thi make reason you sole judg reason reveng merit you find capit punish talk major peopl that support that reveng fair peopl favor punish murder punish peopl that that deserv peopl wouldn fair for murder live victim di reveng petti and pathet perhap you that petti and pathet your view minor local televis hot topic talk show that recent segment capit punish each and advoc us thi portion system jurisprud cite main reason for support that bastard deserv true human compass forgiv and sympathi requir compass forgiv and sympathi wrong will great length make that advantag remov similar situat forc kill anoth can appli golden rule and kill thi person turn not entir moral system base such concept you state that human life sacr and that never violat thi sound sort religi view mean reason imprison you person releas found innoc you can undo imiprison that serv perhap shouldn impris peopl watch close cost similar implant sort electron devic you aliv prison dead chair onc crimin commit murder desir irrelev and you not answer question you concern death penalti due possibl execut innoc isn thi concern share imprison shouldn your logic administ minimum punish avoid violat liberti happi innoc person keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write kill thi person innoc person convict murder murder commit not murder wouldn consid murder reason introduc fudg factor account for inabl total object due lack absolut true inform societi collect decid carri burden execut citizen carri blame for innoc blood each and voter cast ballot favor capit punish part guilti murder each and innoc victim system peopl favor system blame societi accept such system each member societi blame innoc person get execut that not favor work convinc and member societi accept blame consid risk accept similarli person drive accept blame for fatal traffic accid thi that sure happen peopl drive question risk accept like that innoc person will kill drive that will execut keith
alt.atheism	don innoc die death penalti articl psilink psilink jame tim write maintain class and even prison place innoc peopl higher risk unjust death state execut class and occasion error answer posit that place peopl prison for life that depend not predisposit murder success rate escap and abil commit crime word lifetim imprison doesn work perhap not not execut peopl not care lock bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	ancient islam ritual articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write propos that two trend greater level gener depress societi and psycholog problem and greater sexual promiscu link prime cannot provid evid thi thi stage thesi reason and request that peopl ponder damn you can provid evid for rare widespread social phenomenon reduc such simpl premis psycholog hard scienc roughli mathemat sound physic your premis like that reflect your social and religi background your valid your religi belief pretend answer and don that xenophobia guilt and intoler brought adher fundamentalist religion plai larg role depress member societi your mileag vari bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl apr blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write articl fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write that innoc person kill sens bad feel that punish for singl murder reform system reduc number death produc system not back system even introduc singl extra death bob that bad sens somewhat stronger you argument that sole purpos death penalti kill peopl that primari and argu purpos continu kill peopl practic that almost util you you will kill innoc unconscion exist prison system and transport system base merit societi not detriment will accept lost innoc live overwhelm benefit continu exist system stretch evid and argument make claim for capit punish case wasn clear maintain capit punsih system that kill innoc peopl and net posit gain you pin corner and respond that don belief state life won open that debat tire thi thread bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	creator articl drporter suvm syr edu drporter suvm syr edu brad porter write scienc wonder answer question not type question scientif find person find theori evolut unfathom human highli evolv complex organ that think learn and develop organ that result random genet mutat and natur select stuff delet comput excel exampl evolut creator not creat comput not creat sand that into silicon that into integr circuit that into processor board thing and put togeth interest plant creat oxygen light photosynthesi bigger leap talk that creat noth find unfathom resort believ creator simpler altern exist simpli incap understand begin even begin and that present perfectli busi jim halat
alt.atheism	american and evolut articl rpi edu johnsd jec rpi edu dan johnson write articl main main edu main main edu write dan johnson you don thi hand bravo for beauti simpli beauti jim halat
alt.atheism	specul articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write nanci ann miller andrew cmu edu write thi god omnipot you folk claim can termin etern for reason can flibbl glop ork groink thing you demand that mean term thi classic exampl excess faith reason fact that troubl talk doesn impli that imposs simpli impli that hard talk good chanc that god can flibbl glop ork groink charli wingat can flibbl glop ork groink and isn even god doug graham dgraham bnr opinion
alt.atheism	polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write fun debat capit punish thi wrong group for relev that you don capit punish and murder that you murder wrong you term you not defin that innoc person execut thi object murder blame anoth question that entir societi that sanction sort execut realiz risk blame probabl kill innoc person shoot random into air and probabl kill innoc person state administ system capit punish you you that action you take will sooner result kill innoc person probabl that you will kill raondom activ you had not isol total rest societi thi and drive will kill peopl will airlin peopl continu drive and fly not punish inflict unwil prison court risk that ourselv willingli and argu that law system similar risk perhap innoc person will punish somedai work prevent thi fact crimin free result prevent punish innoc drive kill moral issu person involv fatal accid and felt vei guilti such accid total expect numner vehic road blame societi not thi you you that such fals wit that result innoc person convict and kill fault state sinc actual kill comment that state kill not depend fals wit state kill even case sincer mistak state not fault such case state can prevent fals wit you that capit punish murder possibilti human error invalid system capit punish murder period not thi that and involv take human life that definit murder make appeal dictionari object moral thi you call murder question whether not such murder wrong you that take human life wrong matter circumst societi decid murder that and list reason for and live moral consequ not plai word game and pretend that murder isn murder and that opinion societi run thi basic work societi accept risk that innoc person will murder execut and member societi share thi blame and peopl definit murder includ sort malici intent not involv execut discuss object moral system possibilti ramif your person system object not discuss object moral system show you that you didn for thing you incap defin term for exampl murder murder violat golden rule execut not allow societi implicitli accept consequ matter innoc victim not talk read mind talk know truth can never absolut that truth court system work principl know truth reason doubt you simpli not quot accur you and sinc total object thi case peopl think vote execut person not intent malici and unfair execut murder you slide into anoth claim quit juri persuad doubt not know mind doubt read mind juri whether not convict moral not object system absolut truth matter and juri system method approxim such truth that twelv member convinc truth juri come suffici prejud background persuad doubt evid that you and laugh read mind peopl that convict unfair perfectli fair read mind assum that fair knew absolut truth fair your opinion good approxim absolut truth not question fair your claim quot claim whether can fair distinguish capit punishn murder object determin differ knew inform can determin differ flaw system that system almost good isn object perfect you doesn matter fair not object fair not huge differ can read mind can and cannot read mind can noth differ not degre fair can effect object system produc fairli object system clear goal suppos promot not wast time devis system that pretti not exist you simpli want peopl confront realiti realiti rememb your realiti import thi case realiti that ideal theori apart can never even fact fair justic system for innoc person releas death row dozen innoc peopl execut hundr simpli don can assum that system fairli decent like and you realiz that correct system noth total ideal and object system hand can pretend that ideal theori and that can thing can never and justi system fair and that can wave magic wand and make type kill not murder and can ideal system work system can not ideal can hope creat system that close approxim ideal system hand can recogn that justic small hope probabl punish innoc and that end bear moral respons even for probabilist consequ system set and murder will even gee thi strictli bear respons peopl will thi that second prefer that requir peopl face moral consequ societi shelter ourselv magic ceremoni and word game realiz consequ action you separ justic system pack and forget don object moral system and that idea present evid don countri object system such object system can exist theori omnisci object system not practic keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write come keith schneider and object moral system and start definit that thi object system depend and predict thing fall apart fall apart you attempt appli thi doesn mean that object system can exist mean that cannot implement keith
alt.atheism	univers violat separ church state articl kepler unh edu dmn kepler unh edu king becom philosoph philosoph becom king write recent ra order and resist care appar post religi flyer entitl soul scroll thought religion spiritu and matter soul insid bathroom stall door school univers hampshir sort newslett assembl hall director campu post delet respond religi post stop dana easi post flyer stall door add bottom nice larg capit emerg toilet paper robert mellish fog email mellish net irc hobnob and mr joy prize for rafia work
alt.atheism	usatodai famili valu articl rzz unix portal danb shell portal dan babcock write funni usatodai american famili associ post choic part for your enjoy emphas not ad typo mine dan articl delet found add local sundai newspap add cartoon section perfect place for
alt.atheism	islam author women articl apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write claim that person that committ crime doesn god for moment that crime commit whether origin believ not good your statist peopl that declar atheism and doubtless atheist act chariti temporarili becom baptist jon
alt.atheism	ancient islam ritual articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write propos that two trend greater level gener depress societi and psycholog problem and greater sexual promiscu link prime cannot provid evid thi thi stage thesi reason and request that peopl ponder ponder for ten second realis that sinc don reliabl statist for sexual promiscu and sinc issu depress isn defin for earlier centuri you talk crap you pull mozumd and that peopl sex marriag defin depress can notic jon
alt.atheism	soc motss princeton ax match fund for boi scout articl apr cbnewsl att stank cbnewsl att stan krieger write can us rec scout for purpos for establish netnew voter decid that not want provid scout newsgroup give fring group forum for anti societ polit view thi thing will comment stan thi time part thi forum call rec scout for polici discuss and relat topic thi polici discuss and involv relat topic thi not fring group discuss engend strong feel side issu hand wether view anti societ not your opinion and alon don make you not engag thi discuss us kill file you continu thi discuss know full implic that appli for that plan continu discuss input for tire peopl that thi not matter signific for thi group and quit for feel impact close dominick zurlo world www oyster eagl scout allerg mollusk blacklist
alt.atheism	polit atheist mathew mathew manti write for rape sure burden guilt sole rapist not you thrown into cage tiger and maul you blame tiger keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist mathew mathew manti write perhap shouldn impris peopl watch close cost similar implant sort electron devic wait commit crime not implant such devic potenti crimin communist and atheist don follow your reason you propos punish peopl commit crime justif you for thi keith
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alt.atheism	idl question for fellow atheist atheist care specul face world atheist major minor group popul ridicul question wai newsread not get post for bit figur post atheist stanc and accor higher think theistic think typic selfish argument that line think evolv inher motiv not intrins qualit measur stick drawn and cannot assign system belief core altern appli peripheri express selfish idl thought adam adam john cooper verili laugh weakl thought good simpli acoop macalstr edu had claw
alt.atheism	american and evolut articl apr dc warwick simon dc warwick simon clippingdal write delet alt atheism tend recognis two categori atheism function format due mathew manti weak not god strong not god delet strong atheist and quibbl your assert that strong posit requir faith that god commonli describ theist exist thi belief opinion form basi observ includ amount introspect fulli accept that wrong and will swai suitabl convinc evid that god exist thi not impli faith part that that that god exist fact not believ god god will argu that your statement that god exist rest faith that you make posit statement that god exist strong atheism don and don and don not weak atheism onc not god that god not exist maintain posit even read faq that strong atheism requir faith languag problem regard faith and exist christian maintain that god not exist exist mean space and time god not god kierkegaard onc that god not exist etern thi feel pointless debat call exist god and that not that god sourc and ground you that god not exist accept thi statement mean two thing follow will us phrase exist god usual sens and thi sens that you clarif you mean exist god differ mean faith webster faith allegi duti person loyalti fidel promis sincer intent belief and trust and loyalti god belief tradit doctrin religion firm belief for proof complet trust that believ esp strong convict esp system religi belief syn belief can never prove that god not exist you that you god not exist and that thi opinion base observ will observt you refer observ pro con that valid establish posit belief observ can point you direct direct that even predispos predispos mean for exampl peopl whoe partent god tend draw conclus exist exist god requir leap and you made thi leap you activ that god not exist person that statement misguid argu exist god precis wrong find and us person god viabl concept imo person us ahead god choic anthropomorphis you want explain glad and not agre even violent disagre advantag start name call person think misunderstood faq not read point error wai and correct situat interest polit and thought discuss cheer simon simon clippingdal simon dc warwick depart comput scienc tel univers warwick fax coventri bob singleton bob thnext mit edu
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write horribl death result atheism quit horribl death result atheist and theist bobbi can list quit for atheist side fail recogn that theist equal profici genocid perhap sinc bit weak histori somon give list war caus led theist can hitler claim christian for exampl complet list effect show bobbi absurd statement peac side note notic you sign your post peac perhap you your advic and leav atheist peac belief bobbi mozumd nanci you and author thi quot send email andrew cmu edu ly ourselv deepli ingrain ly
alt.atheism	dear theist west cvill wam umd edu stilgar write mean full quot michael crichton jurras park earth exist quit content for billion year for blink ey and tomorrow earth not miss rememb thi quot humbl think that progress that master thi planet cool quot earth doesn save exist quit happili save watch theist will jump you for that brian west thi not sig file earth thi not sig file for blink sig file ey tomorrow post west wam umd edu not miss doesn care jurass park diclaim thi meant thi made nanci you and author thi quot send email andrew cmu edu ly ourselv deepli ingrain ly
alt.atheism	polit atheist turn jump articl innq gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write refer line trim livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write good deal confus you start assert that object moral and you admit you finish recurs definit murder object immor eactli murder and not requir appeal moral you mean circular not recurs that semant recurs problem horribl ineffici assembl programm you switch target you ask goal you mean goal you suggest that object goal and form moral achiev for exampl goal natur moral surviv and propog speci anoth exampl moral system present declar independ state that guarante life liberti and pursuit happi you moral system defin purpos system that moral end oft quot line that peopl guarante life liberti and pursuit happi inalien right complet lie and decept author that line process prove liberti never free purchas cost almost cost anoth who liberti inalien similarli for life person die save anoth even group who life inalien that lead into classic question death penalti for serial killer who life and liberti valuabl serial killer victim that beauti line two right complet inviol that remov thi includ govern admittedli serial killer restrict peopl life and liberti not life liberti inviol declar independ murder violat golden rule and thought had defin murder intent kill murder will oooh that mean that kill infant not murder cannot will reason infant will such similarli for peopl brain dead easier coma etc current law accident kill murder will you includ that and you respond thi ask whether not execut innoc person system capit punish murder not fail thi never claim that system moral object thought that your claim that kind object moral and that exampl that that murder wrong you don want claim that that fine real golden rule life gold make rule make that surviv wrong that murder violat golen rule pillar moral system not assum that current system and manner implement object moral that good approxim can perfect you mean golden rule state almost system implement us that realiti don deal fiction realiti and you don understand differ arbitrari and object keith schneider defin murder thi that and that arbitrari jon livesei person system moral kill human will murder and wrong and legal definit murder usa kuweit saudi arabia prc matter not whit ozland not arbitrari you can find part societi societ rule moral etc that not arbitrari don object assum system base clear and fundament concept arbitari impli clear line reason keith sound euphem differ that object reason that arbitrari reason that don don understand
alt.atheism	radic agnost not and jcopelan nyx edu wrote articl bgsu edu andi bgsu edu pixi write post bug zoo bgsu mean that can possibl prove doubt that god not exist mean lack thi abil absolut proof atheist becom act faith and and thi cannot accept accept noth blind faith invis pink fly unicorn question meant atheist familiar exampl import mean word follow two statement consist not that you wear lilac sock not that you not wear lilac sock two statement not consist that you wear lilac sock that you not wear lilac sock statement and requir faith make presumpt natur realiti statement and requir belief atheist includ posit not that god not that not god that harbor belief good evid for god exist not folk call thi agnostic not suffer blind faith don worri happi
alt.atheism	maddi creat imag gaea pinnacl creation creat birth continu cut religi crap woman and sexism that start road atheism maddi hausmann madhau netcom centigram commun corp san jose california kid don thi home rememb post profession
alt.atheism	wrong and articl trmetu bitnet trmetu bitnet write turkish gui had atheism saten and buddism instant hislif final decid islambecaus fact intend write point view you atheist peopl drop deep dark and think realiti dusti wall you had look bit upward you blue ski you dsee truth you close your ey allah god and moham mess ager gener entropi mean theologi and thermodynam hat your point view problem kiss that spark gener for format univers form tself you bother big bang spa bit and return realiti univers isla thi bit bobbi atheism fals stuff thi univers cyclic brendan dunn
alt.atheism	polit atheist bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write and even that argument doesn stand cost execut crimin thi countri feed cloth and shelter for remaind natur life peopl thi fault judici system find greatest virtu assum that you talk appeal process etc note that peopl imprison for life will tend appeal not quit final hour econom not good reason favor oppos punish keith
alt.atheism	american and evolut articl apr skyblu ccit arizona edu lippard skyblu ccit arizona edu jame lippard write articl mar juliet caltech edu lmh juliet caltech edu henl lawrenc write atheism greek not theo god belief that god agnostic greek not gnostein belief that not determin god agnostic you defin posit belief belief that not determin exist god that belief inclin reject you defin atheism posit belief that god fairli larg number atheist alt atheism reject thi definit hold that atheism simpli absenc belief god michael martin atheism philosoph justif distinguish strong atheism mistak will newer dictionari and read follow line larri henl lmh shake caltech edu
alt.atheism	polit atheist refer line trim ssauyet eagl wesleyan edu scott sauyet write make assumpt that you agre that murder commit murder that murder intention commit murder for instanc you put bullet into gun that thought blank and kill such gun person perform action isn murder guess thi made clear below definit interest reason definit you mean reason your induct definit doesn bottom your definit essenc that murder intent kill not commit murder will expand second occur murder that bad includ word defin definit even seri recurs infinit mean can deduc assum you can problem correct induct definit you defin term simpler case and you bottom case for instanc can defin factori function function assign posit integ product posit integ equal posit integ induct follow math lesson delet thi situat suppos longstand feud two famili claim that commit travesti distant past each time member famili kill member famili think that justifi kill that member famili suppos that thi sequenc occur infinit number time you don deal infin suppos that member famili back into time and essenti begin thing that never end loop slai base exist travesti you resolv thi murder suppos that thi isn total applic your problem reduc uninduc system and case nest murder definit murder cannot infint recurs finit exist human and murder cannot commit kill involv person intention kill necessarili murder thi induct solv appar unreduc definit total object system inform such nest definit isn problem keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl pigidinnsot gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write mathew mathew manti write for rape sure burden guilt sole rapist not you thrown into cage tiger and maul you blame tiger human greater control action predomin instict tiger proper analog you thrown into cage person and maul you blame that person provid that that person respons frame mind not clinicali insan pcb etc thing that relat navi men that tatoo that mom love mom make for viril men bobbi mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu april true muslim left world
alt.atheism	idl question for fellow atheist articl apr mac macalstr edu acoop mac macalstr edu write atheist care specul face world atheist major minor group popul problem slight shift emphasi weekend not inviol common work dai week busi and american atheist similar religi organ person religi belief crutch and justif for action guid determin action peopl come fascin ration for action that fun watch that for peopl religion america doesn matter that you extreemist end larg major don make issu long you don admittedli never had suffer bibl belt north and fring and reason peopl thing tend reason religion atheist stanc and accor higher think theistic think typic selfish argument that line think evolv inher motiv not intrins qualit measur stick drawn and cannot assign system belief core altern appli peripheri express selfish don bother higher think anybodi think don want fall that trap you start that you decid and inferior mode think idic infinit divers infinit combin argu soda not inflat
alt.atheism	problem satan us islam author women articl apr new unomaha edu trajan cwi unomaha edu stephen mcintyr write bobbi state that satan free will that god thi bring host paradox god evil free will god direct god evil part infinit good and evil etc for onc solid answer not run hope gave you fairli solid answer thi simpli don agre embodi version satan separ creation forc wrote belief ascrib that evil not creation absenc good thi fit logic thing dual us knife can us sculpt and can us kill entropi evil thi view forc entiti satan metaphor fact vers holi qur support thi view and tradit for exampl tradit that food never left open shelf tabl overnight satan enter appear that thi refer undiscov germ evil effect spoil food describ satan exampl satan personifi and quit physic descript heaven and hell holi qur bibl etc time spiritu and intellectu evolut modern human physic descript heaven hell and satan quit liter and that work for time mention tradit cite for exampl suffici absenc theori germ and diseas spread worm simpli describ evil pass consum spoil food satan beg question satan thi case metaphor can you allah not bottom line that describ spiritu plane human languag describ color person blind birth you want read book flatland you haven dragon egg intend light heart descript mathemat con cept delet for space save languag fail cannot us adequ describ anoth dimens cannot experienc speaker such convent metaphor allegori and come unseen describ term refer and mean for reader listen model compro mise made speak metaphor clariti and direct mean equival percept and crippl can you thi ask you god exist spirit metaphor mean satan metaphor you justifi thi belief and justifi that god not metaphor for thi instanc satan describ such tormentor testament book job temptor testament gospel god describ spirit metaphor and not belief god isn bar evil case satanist even satan metaphor satanist god justifi thi belief case god religi standard evil bobbi thi address thi question delet metaphor philosoph thi issu not that reader thi newsgroup want delv into religi interpret wish discuss thi will line mail line post stephen atheist libertarian pro individu pro respons and that jazz
alt.atheism	soc motss princeton ax match fund for boi scout articl pmjo inn lynx unm edu bevan carina unm edu mathemagician write gai peopl that straight peopl don absolut noth straight arrow year male that involv bsa don care gai peopl each long don make pass summer camp work boss gai not pansi gai gui doesn push and give respect back due posit bsa taught don toler met thi gui thought gai fari bsa taught antibigot basic come thi you your busi you violat civil right
alt.atheism	gospel date date mon apr gmt stilgar west cvill wam umd edu articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write articl apr wam umd edu west cvill wam umd edu stilgar write illiad undisput word god prove wrong disput ergo counter exampl you proven wrong disput your counter exampl ergo counter counter exampl you wrong and nanni nanni boo boo tbbbbbbbtttttthhhhh thi case temporari islam
alt.atheism	word advic articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write time that altern that you caught and altern point ration isn altern problem metaphys and religi knowledg unsolv human cannot solv that can shouldn interrupt jim you wash your brain todai
alt.atheism	god moral long jbrown batman bmd trw write supernatur forc creat pathogen you sinc diseas bad bad entiti creat you acid rain meteor fall sky volcano earthquak and quot unquot act god that not act god natur occurr amaz that you audac that human creation not result natur process evolut act god and post that process volcano natur occurr gave you choos thing natur process and direct act god you that god doesn each and natur disast specif purpos mind sadist natur bibl even satan had noth origin incept diseas evolut random chanc produc sinc human forsook god protect choos live apart god law human collect come surpris that advers consequ collect action that left deal diseas and disord inevit result entrop univers thi collect bullcrap come collect refer idea that god work human two level individu and collect mankind decid undertak action major mankind god will consequ that action affect mankind adam ev two peopl even tho had honor you christian claim two not repres major billion and trillion peopl that come perhap major and you weren vote and perhap vote differ that tree your god never ask assum that you two bad peopl bad hmm sound kind fals gener that theist post resort that shoulda jim nanci you and author thi quot send email andrew cmu edu ly ourselv deepli ingrain ly
alt.atheism	islam author women articl apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write that your mistak for children mother rais child thing that relat navi men that tatoo that mom love mom make for viril men compar that homo rais studi and you will point you claim that men stai home and rais child that fals made feminist that seek statu men you not recogn fact that men and women natur differ not physic mental your logic didn american world problem atheist becuas code ethic follow mean that atheist can want feel total base feel and feel cloud ration think yeah didn that atheist bad that bad good noth defin bad good awright bobbi back shit for brain glori thought turn corner progress thorazin prescript run put kill file man thi good stuff had stai power fortun learn not long long long ago bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	islam author women articl apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write peac bobbi thi hell your sig you learn stand for and mean bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	omnipot specul articl psilink robert knowl psilink write date fri apr nanci ann miller andrew cmu edu can god uncreat for violat natur cannot god natur exist statement inher exist exist exist cannot not exist mention not omnipot you mean omnipot you mean omnipot that god thi creat contradictori definit omnipot effect useless descript omnipot mean power and not illustr analog suppos unit state nuclear power earth suppos that militari not effect counter nation group nation power into countri time for reason straighten thing leader fit militarili omnipot suppos that hold doctrin philosophi not interf intern affair nation such current civil war yugoslavian state technic thi scenario power unilater into yugoslavia and straighten mess effect not interven violat polici interfer polici interfer held strongli never question that violat effect limit had power want simpli never want interfer for such idea consider leader such inviol interfer polici god effect limit sens power cannot us power that violat essenc hope thi help clear misunderstand omnipot regard jim
alt.atheism	islam marriag articl apr cadenc ma cadenc masud khan write articl qav austin ibm karner austin ibm karner write you want name name offici record pseudo marriag perform for conveni happen typic that woman will move lover scrupl legal contract speak man util loophol enter into temporari religi marriag contract order sex complain care perhap you alert your imam that thi practic widespread you take muslim men wit penetr decid practic exist you astound level ignor you displai muslim not allow enter temporari marriag that evid for outlaw practis your fact straight buddi give refer for you ly not widespread you fantasis fact contrari your fantasi not practis muslim not your buddi second read wrote not talk muslim allow practic muslim you don retort and tire not true muslim bullshit gave you name will you thi inform fatwa leash perpetr you honestli that voluntarili come forward and confess kind extrem shown your religionari fat chanc rate can conclus proof natur act perhap peopl that indulg thi practic agre you theori hope that allah will forgiv end arrog you pretend speak for muslim thi regard kind silli you insinu that koran law forbid crimin muslim countri thi care thi subject weak your argument for netter and disclaim opinion express thi post mine sole and not repres employ karner aix technic support karner austin vnet ibm
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl innq gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write refer line trim livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write good deal confus you start assert that object moral and you admit you finish recurs definit murder object immor eactli murder and not requir appeal moral you switch target you ask goal you mean goal you suggest that object goal and form moral achiev for exampl goal natur moral surviv and propog speci thi you mean goal hope you don mean impli that evolut consciou goal jon
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl pic linnrau gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write person object that find capit punish cruel and unusu punish circumst can painless isn cruel and occur frequent sinc dawn time unusu koff you mean that long put you sleep can kill you cruel thi jon
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl pieg inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write come keith schneider and object moral system and start definit that thi object system depend and predict thing fall apart fall apart you attempt appli thi doesn mean that object system can exist mean that cannot implement not fact that can exist that bother fact that you don defin want hear indefin thing that principl exist long you don carefulli religi person couldn jon
alt.atheism	pompou ass articl btinnqa gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write kmr cwru edu keith ryan write peopl ask question and you rare answer nope answer each question pose and answer multipl time fifti dollar can answer your question big bang theori big bang theori recip for cooki fifti dollar hei didn answer make sens jon
alt.atheism	pompou ass articl jkinnq gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write long motto stai becom default cutoff point don exact cutoff year and sure year notion default not into account popul makeup specif you talk you argu that motto interpret offens larger portion popul year ago comment that make sens inherit default steam train recent jon
alt.atheism	god moral long articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw respond lot grief articl apr leland stanford edu galahad leland stanford edu scott compton sagemast thi relev discuss answer john question genet diseas and bacteri and viral diseas requir babi develop antibodi god fault origin question not scotti followup irrelev origin question thi not unusu thread quickli evolv origin topic not understand jim spent time respond regard irrelev thi collect bullcrap come collect refer idea that god work human two level individu and collect mankind decid undertak action major mankind guess hypothet adam major mankind man time god will consequ that action affect mankind you didn understand that apolog for not and two syllabl word discuss understand you mean collect insan pervers justic sort judg punish descend for crime commit ancestor you want that read your post and provid respons send copi jim brown bmd trw can read dai and post slip admit that you read read bibl dai you miss coupl good followup your post send you person copi followup hope you will respond public john sageless
alt.atheism	jew can hide keith cco articl apr bmerh bnr dgraham bmer bnr dougla graham write articl aaa fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl apr bmerh bnr dgraham bmer bnr dougla graham write jon ken previous peopl you your countri jew not surviv that sound ken accus gui nazi previou post delet thi perfectli fine rant and agre complet issu hand whether not ken accus fellow germani nazi grant that not explic make thi accus pretti damn close accus gui sympath extermin jew and that good for poster casual trash two thousand year jewish histori and ken repli that had previous peopl germani that peopl formal nazi nazi parti activ and tacit support ordinari man street behav casual anti semit perfectli accept exactli don you understand wrote and don you matter hand jon
alt.atheism	jew can hide keith cco articl apr mac macalstr edu acoop mac macalstr edu write articl pint fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write germani countri discrimin jew worst reput job express gener european dislik thi not turn into debat antisemit you point that luther antisemit base religi ground hitler racial ground and wagnmer aesthet ground blanket group poor analysi even bigot find intrigu remark you give bit explan for exampl religion anti semit and aesthet jon
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write ivt cfj fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write british blow skyscrap don you you impli that person accus blow wtc and that islam teach blow wtc repli person attempt justifi fatwa rushdi ground that work intention insult that singl sentenc fairli long post and don you you impli quit disingenu and perhap even dishonest care dig back and read full post will noth kind trust you don deni that islam teach fatwa rushdi jon
alt.atheism	anecdot islam articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write don understand point thi petti sarcasm basic principl islam that born muslim testifi that god god and mohammad prophet god that long not explicitli reject islam word consid muslim muslim phenomenon you attempt make into gener rule psycholog direct odd basic islam principl you want attack islam you argu that islam explicitli contradict mozumd incorrect that commit bad act peopl temporarili becom atheist jon
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write saddam believ god prai time dai commun hand commit genocid name atheism lenin and stalin two die hard atheist pun and believ atheism integr part commun bobbi stalin kill million name social atheism characterist lenin stalin version social noth anoth characterist lenin stalin social central food distribut you that stalin and lenin kill million name ration bread not horribl death result atheism earlier post you state that true muslim believ incap evil suppos you that you reason that kill name religion perfect world you live bobbi reason that you atheist that you limit god give god form god not face bobbi refer obscur law good atheist handbook law xxvi give that you not face you excus bobbi argu theism argu christian idea god realm christian man creat god imag kevin marshal sophomor comput scienc virginia tech blacksburg usa marshal csugrad edu
alt.atheism	list biblic contradict joslin pogo isp pitt edu david joslin write write found list biblic contradict and clean bit curiou purpos peopl list serv time atheist spend time pai attent bibl face thing your life us chuckl and snort silli that book and absurd peopl believ truth etc spend time mayan religion nativ american heck nativ american signifigantli interest myth egyptian pai attent christian accept religion and not mytholog find accur toler get hard place book nose and tell special not carolyn
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit apr mst jbrown batman bmd trw god etern jesu god jesu etern thi work logic and mathemat god set thing etern jesu subset god jesu belong set thing etern isn logic merced car that girl merced that girl car heikki
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl rusnew manti mathew manti mathew write articl apr blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write automobil system kill drive passeng not mention pedestrian you not drive even us car kill and kill system public transport favour ban privat car and replac train buse taxi bicycl and second cycl work each dai and damn car and cretin driver road lot fun jon
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl rusnew manti mathew manti mathew write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write and mean peopl drive accept risk and contribut tax monei design system minim risk system minim risk that you car driver don want us call bicycl train and buse poor matthew million poster call you car driver and choos car owner jon
alt.atheism	omnipot specul articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write articl psilink robert knowl psilink write date fri apr nanci ann miller andrew cmu edu can god uncreat for violat natur cannot god natur exist statement inher exist exist exist cannot not exist mention not omnipot you mean omnipot you mean omnipot that god thi creat contradictori definit omnipot effect useless descript omnipot mean power and not illustr analog suppos unit state nuclear power earth suppos that militari not effect counter nation group nation power into countri time for reason straighten thing leader fit militarili omnipot you check afghan post thi disagre jon
alt.atheism	satan mango umd edu charlei wingat write nanci ann miller write favorit repli you liter mind complaint that bibl inspir god and that import make damn translat and scribe and peopl interpret and copi get liter not put merit that corrupt and and man even origin inspir god corrupt and theori pretti weak comparison current hebrew text version and translat show that text fact chang space two millennia thi shouldn that supris peopl text thi manner like make pain make good copi you honestli hold that tripe charlei for start current version bibl make comparison show that you write utter garbag wit mormon cathol anglican and greek orthodox bibl convinc you you good librari local librari had king jame compar brand hot god tongu good new bibl genesi almost unrecognis discrep gospel had edit good new bibl fact god good new congeni fellow you king jame and give you quot head haven chang jeff
alt.atheism	ancient islam ritual cfaehl vesta unm edu chri faehl write reason trend obes and trend depress you can pick your two favorit trend notic correl and make sweep statement gener mean you can and peopl that not mean that valid reason thesi gross oversimplif push pull factor peopl experi agre reckon televis and increas fundament you increas pre marit sex think psychologist crimin justic system and violent crimin con into let into street increas design drug communist plot basic social interact chang factor societi complic for control hold panic handl and hope that head for soft land thing for depress and destruct nuclear famili not due sole sex marriag jeff fred rice muslim give point view daric yoyo monash edu cfaehl vesta unm edu
alt.atheism	american and evolut articl apr njitgw njit edu dmu hertz njit edu david utidjian eng sci write articl mar juliet caltech edu lmh juliet caltech edu henl lawrenc write for complet descript and not atheism agnostic faq for alt atheism alt answer utidjian remarqu berkelei edu apolog for post thi thought talk origin definit webster nonetheless appar past argument word impli that bimonthli and biweekli commonli accept definit and us care larri henl lmh shake caltech edu
alt.atheism	jew can hide keith cco articl aaa fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl apr bmerh bnr dgraham bmer bnr dougla graham write articl pint fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write delet jon ken previous peopl you your countri jew not surviv that sound ken accus gui nazi hitler and nazi didn spring fulli form forehead athena didn invent anti semit built foundat anti semit that present germani thi foundat anti semit laid not nazi peopl list and hundr year unthink knee jerk bigotri part perfectli ordinari peopl and pastor and priest worri todai not whether hollywood hitler black uniform come stride german stage unprepar step whether bedrock foundat anti semit laid germani speak and will laid not hitler and himmler will come peopl poster question peopl that casual anti semit accept even fun delet suggest greatest respect that you read histori jon you german poster remark anti semit perhap you impli that germani doesn agre isra polici nazi prai even qualifi casual anti semit term doesn appli bring your bigotri shine disclaim opinion express thi post mine sole and not repres employ karner aix technic support karner austin vnet ibm
alt.atheism	omnipot specul articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write god effect limit sens power cannot us power that violat essenc cannot will not thing that relat navi men that tatoo that mom love mom make for viril men bobbi mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu april true muslim left world
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit articl suopanki apr stekt oulu suopanki stekt oulu heikki suopanki write god etern jesu god jesu etern thi work logic and mathemat god set thing etern jesu subset god jesu belong set thing etern isn logic merced car that girl merced that girl car thi not strickli correct incorrect applic rule languag work merced premi and second not merced your case and not equal name person name object you can not simpli extract word take context into account your case doesn impli that case equal thing that relat navi men that tatoo that mom love mom make for viril men bobbi mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu april true muslim left world
alt.atheism	islam jehovah wit articl apr princeton edu qpliu princeton edu write articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write god creat lucif perfect natur and gave angel free moral will god prevent lucif fall take abil choos moral altern worship god worship lucif moral choic determin will determin will qpliu princeton edu standard opinion opinion delta correl bobbi post ago you that lucif had free will believ contrari you talk lucif can you suggest experi determin you wrong you claim that you norman
alt.atheism	had share thi articl apr acm gen kilroi acm gen earthbound misfit write bena dec monash edu ben avel write warn you devout christian thi post offend and upset you numer ctrl delet heheh assum familiar christian fish symbol back volvo that perhap found thi morn come stolen pagan last last chanc blisfulli ignor hmm can put come thi sigh hate draw ascii char you can work you haven read skinni leg and tom robbin even accur modern religion appropri great book followup alt atheism reader slightli author thi craig hard kilroi acm gen acm bb jub lbh pnyyvat obmb craig thought deriv greek acronym greek isn thi jesu christ god iesu christo theo ichtho greek for fish ichthysauru apolog for dread greek perhap will correct your sig mean norman
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism articl apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write reason that you atheist that you limit god give god form god not face wait minut thought you that allah presum allah god unknow and you claim concret fact you that god not face doesn bibl that god hindpart you suggest decid you you god hindpart face your us quotat mark god not face you interpret thi mean you peac bobbi mozumd norman
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write articl dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write you give definit free will presenc omnisci will determin word god creat consciou be abil choos moral choic independ god will free will hypothet consciou be can ignor influenc circumst genet environ experi not determin idea hell make idea free will dubiou hand idea hell not power idea parabl for you onc main charact blah blah blah dai thug point mean gun omc and blast you hell omc thought thi thug and follow instruct that will avoid get blast hell hand thi thug and not follow instruct that will blast hell hmm attract choic obviou follow instruct omc found choic obviou omc had learn get blast hell made undesir omc notic that thug gun wasn real gun thug threat make omc thug and resum blah blah blah qpliu princeton edu standard opinion opinion delta correl
alt.atheism	gospel date articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write articl apr wam umd edu west cvill wam umd edu stilgar write articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write articl apr wam umd edu west cvill wam umd edu stilgar write illiad undisput word god prove wrong disput ergo counter exampl you proven wrong disput your counter exampl ergo counter counter exampl you wrong and nanni nanni boo boo tbbbbbbbtttttthhhhh premi state that undisput fine illiad word god disput not disput that won matter prove wrong brian west thi not sig file earth thi not sig file for blink sig file ey tomorrow post west wam umd edu not miss doesn care jurass park diclaim thi meant thi made
alt.atheism	gospel date articl apr wam umd edu west cvill wam umd edu stilgar write fine illiad word god disput not disput that won matter prove wrong illiad contain word ergo can not word god you will humbl agre that word god will conce thing that relat navi men that tatoo that mom love mom make for viril men bobbi mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu april true muslim left world
alt.atheism	american and evolut articl pik fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write you spend time post your atheism incident question god trivial fess matter you great deal two question import mithra your life todai import mithra becom fund group fanat school system teach your children that mithra true god jon jon care long work for individu don impos belief children add fund group purg scienc deni children access great wonder and skill and kid born creationist burden begin adult life cruel awaken for final light provid escap depth thi type ignor
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit jbrown batman bmd trw write syllog form thi logic valid construct your syllog form logic invalid construct and your comment don appli appeal mathew manti wrote excel post part faq logic argument jim not mathew manti success year logic student will that you logic correct poster logic incorrect noth pretent
alt.atheism	god moral american and evolut articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write babi diseas etc god creat life protein code mutabl and can evolv delv into deep discuss creation evolution main problem scenario you outlin consist evid that familiar not not support earth latest estim billion year and had life for billion year human for year fossil evid inidc that life chang and evolv and fact diseas ridden long peopl fossil that show sign diseas bone disord heck not fossil evid glean genet studi show that diseas for long long time human sin brought diseas indirectli necessarili exist human god creat origin genet code perfect and flaw and get sidetrack into theolog ramif origin sin main effect call origin sin for thi discuss remov human god protect sinc choic cut intim fellowship god addit sin caus come dominion satan assum dominion earth delet sinc human longer god protect satan dominion great feat for satan genet engin diseas bacteri viral and genet forc natur select tend improv surviv speci degener genet code offset thi evolutionari biologist biologi you claim will strongli disagre thi evid that human genet code start perfect condit adapt envion collect sens curiou you mean degener genet code human dna complex accumul error advers affect and abil fight diseas simpler dna bacteria and virus tend becom effici caus infect and diseas bad combin umm nah pretti good job adapt virus and bacteria and small percentag microlif harm human and that small percentag reasonalbi constant size rank chang for exampl bubon plagu us nasti diseas you agre pop time time even todai and doesn damag part that sanit even peopl diseas symptom tend sever past thi partli peopl suscept di long ago and nasti variant overgraz forgiv poor terminolog engin not doctor and di for lack nearbi host wrong thi gather acn hundr year and us nastier killer get nasti ag newborn that suffer genet viral and bacteri diseas disord wait minut question human creat perfect and you admit that inbuilt abilii fight diseas that satan make diseas gift human mean fight simpler make diseas lethal survivor can immun system imperfect present built into god want clear thi you that god plan ahead for time satan charg build immun system that not time design that god made immun system ahead time know that adam and ev sin and descend fight diseas thi mystic supernatur explan you prepar accept god not respons for diseas even satan had noth origin incept diseas evolut random chanc produc sinc human forsook god protect anoth puzzl exactli you mean perfect phrase creat perfect and flaw mind perfect system incap degrad time perfect system that will constant intervent becom imperfect not perfect system imho that god write masterpiec bunch gum wrapper held togeth elmer glue that origin genet instruct perfect written inferior materi that had carefulli tend fall apart god not us materi god incap creat system that maintain choos not delet summari newborn innoc god not suffer main point that isn evid for explan you give that awar couldn make nitpick and sincer rai ingl opinion not univers ingl engin umich edu michigan
alt.atheism	god moral long articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write articl apr leland stanford edu galahad leland stanford edu scott compton write delet back your post you fine job your seventh grade life scienc explain bad diseas caus satan and good thing result god want you secret can creat amino acid sequenc lab and guess sequenc curl into helix wow that can happen supernatur forc wow take advanc scienc degre and million dollar state art equip and thought intellig creat build block life foolish peopl advanc scienc degre us state art equip and spend million dollar simul tornado tornado not requir intellig exist not that equip need not state art studi product not gener you want that read your post and provid respons send copi jim brown bmd trw can read dai and post slip will sincer rai ingl opinion not univers ingl engin umich edu michigan
alt.atheism	anecdot islam date apr gmt jon livesei livesei solntz wpd sgi articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write don understand point thi petti sarcasm basic principl islam that born muslim testifi that god god and mohammad prophet god that long not explicitli reject islam word consid muslim muslim phenomenon you attempt make into gener rule psycholog direct odd basic islam principl you want attack islam you argu that islam explicitli contradict mozumd incorrect that commit bad act peopl temporarili becom atheist jon not incorrect defend islam defend islam infidel you can and will dare critic you atheist argument petti sarcasm can temporari atheist whenev and temporari atheist can that good muslim never explicitli reject islam temporari atheism temporari islam temporari marriag stick teflon religion conveni and easi clean you expect bunch peopl can even agre phase moon
alt.atheism	god moral long thi kind argument cri for comment jbrown batman bmd trw wrote articl apr leland stanford edu galahad leland stanford edu scott compton write jim you origin wrote god not creat diseas respons for maladi newborn god creat life protein code mutabl and can evolv delv into deep discuss creation evolution god creat origin genet code perfect and flaw you evid for thi code onc perfect and degrad sinc evid favour thi statement shouldn perhap biggest imperfect code that full code region intron call interven code region exon impress amount evid suggest that intron ancient origin like that earli exon repres earli protein domain number intron decreas increas appear that intron loss can occur and speci common ancestri quit similar exon intron structur gene hand possibl that intron insert present logic difficulti intron remov splice mechan thi present unus intron insert intron insert requir precis target random insert not toler sinc sequenc for intron remov splice mrna conserv transposit sequenc leav trace long termin repeat and target site duplic and not found intron sequenc recommend read textbook molecular biologi and genet post theolog argument thi watson molecular biologi gene darnel lodish baltimor molecular biologi cell for starter rememb question pose theolog context god diseas newborn and answer likewis theolog perspect valid pure scientif perspect scientif perspect support evid theolog perspect fail fulfil thi criterion you misread mean god made genet code perfect that doesn mean perfect evolv sinc for wors you cite refer that support your assert your assert valid scientif perspect you support evid fact claim that parasit and diseas perhap import thought for instanc sex evolv defenc parasit thi view support comput simul evolut tierra perhap thought higher energi rai rai gamma rai and cosmic rai that caus damag fact thermal energi that damag mild and easili fix enzymat action atmospher time god creat life recollect biologist not claim that life began billion year ago that half billion year earth creat primit support life rememb figur billion year ago for origin life earth estim replac creat form sinc invok creator earth can form recent estim ag earth rang billion year and earliest sign life not true fossil organ stromatolit layer date back billion year thi leav billion year for cell evolv can give refer thi base evolutionari biochemistri attend dominion great feat for satan genet engin diseas bacteri viral and genet forc natur select tend improv surviv speci degener genet code offset thi you want thi true you evid for thi suppos degener can understand scott reaction excus thi fetch that you jest you pathogen you point mutat you that can come spontan respons your last statement and you you that and accept fact you cannot that hope you don forget thi evid that suggest can come spontan you evid thi conclus scienc not healthi sign doubt and disbeliev path walk evid you and not present conclus prior thi theologi not us thi method doubt come conclus human dna complex accumul error advers affect and abil fight diseas simpler dna bacteria and virus tend becom effici caus infect and diseas bad combin newborn that suffer genet viral and bacteri diseas disord you suppos purpos not valid move bacteria and virus not exist diseas anoth manifest gener principl evolut replic save replic degradi effici method for dna surviv and replic effici method didn make present and for last time present evid for your claim that human dna degrad evolutionari process peopl claim that opposit true suppress select and bound degrad haven evid for claim thi relev discuss answer john question genet diseas and bacteri and viral diseas requir babi develop antibodi god fault origin question not noth evil god fault your explan not work fail miser you fact that you don that satan not respons and suppos that power evil satan exist inconceiv that respons for ill that affect mankind don job pun intend problem satan explain diseas inevit product evolut that anoth bad infer you oversimplifi point that your summari word take context never that peopl meant god punish get diseas that free moral choic attend consequ mankind choos reject god peopl sinc begin not expect god protect advers event entrop univers not expect thi god exist expect leav alon hear you your choic free thi interest philosoph question and answer not clear cut consequ you expect reject allah admit not perfect work good librari bookstor good start point thi price tea china question provid answer biologi and genet fine subject and import scientif endeavor explain god creat and set life process don explain creation life subsequ evolut and your proposit that not support evid thi recommend book invok prime mover evid for thi univers can come into exist intervent recent cosmolog theori hawk suggest peopl insist thi scotti for your fine and sage advic not highli motiv learn nitti gritti detail biologi and genet find fascin subject for realiz that detail not chang big pictur that god creat life begin abil chang and adapt environ evid for your big pictur and creat that capabl adapt can come into exist suprem read atkin creation revisit freeman petri petri pihko kem pmp mathemat truth pihati finou oulu physic rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistri game
alt.atheism	islam dress code for women articl dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write women soul islam peopl that muslim that women not soul admit never heard such view held muslim era heard christian era hold thi viewpoint not muslim you you not confus christian histori islam histori suppos predomin view turkish caliph not awar turkish caliph viewpoint thi can you refer found quot due imam ali shia follow men never obei your women whatsoev never give advic matter whatsoev even everydai life freeli give advic and will fritter wealth and disobei wish owner thi wealth religion alon left devic lack piti and virtu carnal desir stake easi enjoi great anxieti virtiou libertin corrupt whore ag depriv charm untaint vice qualiti miscreant complain oppress oppress make oath ly pretend refus men solicit desir ardent beg god emerg victori evil deed and preserv case good quot ma qanawi ref bouhdiba sexual islam wouldn thi quot exemplari islam viewpoint for prophet cousin and fourth khalif hazret ali thi frustrat night woman selim guncer selim guncer jaca negra luna grand csser asu aceituna alforja aunqu sepa lo camino guncer enuxha ea asu edu nunca llegar cordoba fgl
alt.atheism	islam author women articl apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write that your mistak for children mother rais child thing that relat navi men that tatoo that mom love mom make for viril men compar that homo rais studi and you will point you claim that men stai home and rais child that fals made feminist that seek statu men you not recogn fact that men and women natur differ not physic mental bobbi question that your post aren sort extend elabor hoax you hard convinc entir civilis world that you feebl mind you talent for absurd thing sign for you print cut and put top your comput termin engag brain prior oper keyboard that admit laugh your stuff graham jenkin graham jenkin csiro csiro commonwealth scientif industri canberra australia research organis
alt.atheism	jew can hide keith cco articl daq fq austin ibm karner austin ibm karner write you german poster remark anti semit year sightse and roam come back kill palastinian and land back that casual antisemit can plenti wai critic isra polici insult jew jewish histori can you jon
alt.atheism	don innoc die death penalti jame tim psilink write maintain class and even prison place innoc peopl higher risk unjust death state execut class and occasion error higher risk kill kill mistak agre concept that type and murder massiv wast space and resourc don agre concept kill wrong you kill will punish you punish will kill you lack consist noth pretent
alt.atheism	islam dress code for women articl apr ennew ea asu edu guncer enuxha ea asu edu selim guncer write wouldn thi quot exemplari islam viewpoint for prophet cousin and fourth khalif hazret ali thi frustrat night woman that interest women reaction record frustrat night man that consid import jon
alt.atheism	creator articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write articl apr bradford newnham bradford leonard newnham write delet argument incredul not consid valid form reason sinc mediev time delet interest that you mention that argument incredul not consid valid form reason sinc mediev time quit agre atheist engag time read post atheist post state that cannot graciou and love god can such evil and suffer occur earth simpli cannot envis not true thi not argument incredul don you present argument incredul not present thi manner present form and cannot offer convinc explan not unreason for explan for such phenomena that theism not provid convinc explan not argument theism favor theism offer explan and even adher purportedli theism give explan god complex motiv and reason for action action simpli fix evil whenev and occur even occur and thi argument incredul rank high reason atheist gener reject god and christian god not experi experi common reason lack evid theism favor you mileag vari thi univers bane human reason and ration wit that easier logic fallaci inept reason part oppon oneself heck snide thi onc fairli easi attack argument that not made strawmen man wisdom put log your ey you remov splinter your neighbor ey sage advic sincer raymond ingl ingl engin umich edu appl hour doctor kliban
alt.atheism	polit atheist keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write mathew mathew manti write perhap shouldn impris peopl watch close cost similar implant sort electron devic wait commit crime not implant such devic potenti crimin communist and atheist don follow your reason you propos punish peopl commit crime justif you for thi mathew propos public defenc mechan not treat electron devic improprieti wearer that step you propos perman bug potenti crimin thi not surfac sound bad thing defin potenti crimin govern dai decid that member opposit parti make you potenti crimin openli defi govern becom lethal practic thi not conduc free societi mathew that implant electron surveil devic peopl improprieti that person type crime chanc recidiv basic you crimin justic system punish for offend and possibl deterr futur offend mathew see mean rehabilit for offend cynic you jeff
alt.atheism	satan articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write nanci ann miller write corrupt and theori pretti weak comparison current hebrew text version and translat show that text fact chang space two millennia thi shouldn that supris peopl text thi manner like make pain make good copi king jame mate wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god john burk jdb summa tamu edu
alt.atheism	islam marriag date tue apr gmt karner karner austin ibm articl apr cadenc ma cadenc masud khan write articl qav austin ibm karner austin ibm karner write you want name name offici record pseudo marriag perform for conveni happen typic that woman will move lover scrupl legal contract speak man util loophol enter into temporari religi marriag contract order sex complain care perhap you alert your imam that thi practic widespread you take muslim men wit penetr decid practic exist you astound level ignor you displai muslim not allow enter temporari marriag that evid for outlaw practis your fact straight buddi give refer for you ly not widespread you fantasis fact contrari your fantasi not practis muslim you miss post thi topic quot indonesian handbook and fred rice comment temporari marriag will glad repost will you accept that practic muslim will you continu claim that ly and that not practis muslim don karner that ly sinc you noth thi practic you can contribut discuss accus ly perhap your ignor show learn islam learn muslim open your ey you will thing atheist
alt.atheism	don innoc die death penalti articl chrisb baarni chrisb tafe edu chri bell write kill wrong you kill will punish you punish will kill you lack consist not hold peopl will wrong you hold peopl will will punish you punish will hold you your will punish isn privat person anoth privat person for appar reason lead punish fine suppos jim lippard lippard ccit arizona edu dept philosophi lippard arizvm bitnet univers arizona tucson
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write articl suopanki apr stekt oulu suopanki stekt oulu heikki suopanki write god etern jesu god jesu etern thi work logic and mathemat god set thing etern jesu subset god jesu belong set thing etern premis and conclus not properli translat ident statement sinc statement predic ident translat predic letter design god and design jesu and predic letter for properti etern premis and conclus second premis appear ident case can properli symbol your remark that jesu subset god suggest that strict ident not desir premis mean that member make set god properti etern conclus follow jim lippard lippard ccit arizona edu dept philosophi lippard arizvm bitnet univers arizona tucson
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit articl chrisb baarni chrisb tafe edu chri bell write jbrown batman bmd trw write syllog form thi logic valid construct your syllog form logic invalid construct and your comment don appli ident syllog valid predic second syllog invalid syllog you point valid whether predic design individu jim lippard lippard ccit arizona edu dept philosophi lippard arizvm bitnet univers arizona tucson
alt.atheism	soc motss princeton ax match fund for boi scout student write roger colin shous write radic gai dogma claim not claim claim know doesn twenti instanc thi kind muddlehead fourth reich sophistiqu shit post fact not instanc count reproduc viru you word question thi respons weasel shous and stan krieger possibl studi dispassion and figur work rememb you learn combat clone into offic contribut your insight your favorit abnorm psych ward learn overcom your repugn for serial murder thi post total uncal for rec scout point rais and answer roger and state support bsa posit issu specif that homosexu behavior constitut violat scout oath specif promis live moral straight noth discuss cloud issu comparison black minor meaningless compar appl orang peopl can control race can control behavior possibl discuss rec scout thi issu includ bsa deni live and worship don doesn mean that bsa big bad wolf for adher recogn posit religi and moral standard societi establish and continu base stan krieger opinion advic suggest even unix system laboratori relat employ summit smk usl
alt.atheism	satan articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write pnanci ann miller write favorit repli you liter mind complaint that bibl inspir god and that import make damn translat and scribe and peopl interpret and copi get liter not put merit that corrupt and and man even origin inspir god pthe corrupt and theori pretti weak comparison pcurrent hebrew text version and translat show that text pha fact chang space two millennia thi pshouldn that supris peopl text thi manner pare like make pain make good copi corrupt time good that bibl construct year jesu death text merchant ow thi and ow that can liter word not intend for such nonsens author bibl not plager asian for content that can interper make sens
alt.atheism	american and evolut atheism incident and question god trivial matter great deal idiot forc belief enforc creation myth taught scientif fact school can moral moral god success presidenti candid that atheist shouldn consid citizen and couldn patriot thi nation god fundi parti that provid presid unit state america that can forc belief rest countri cetera that subscrib alt atheism and middl thi peopl aren mind reader pop alt atheism don concoct straw man reason don share belief you accept thi thi isn dig fundamentalist christian told alt atheism that reject allah proud embrac islam and that reject krishna ey close religi nut post alt atheism kind milit christian can accept that don share belief thi kind stuff talk religion misc belong atheism isn belief absenc belief god you problem thi bill pfirst that atheism fact belief beilief pbecaus belief you hold ador and faith atheist god thi cannot proven you except thi pfaith alon that belief secondli you complain pfundament christian forc belief you you don pmention atheist such madamm murri hare founder pof atheist associ austin texa and robert sherman chicago area forc belief rid god societi ban religi paint park chistma forc citi chang town seal mention god sherman slogan god trust american currenc you talk creation myth fact myth and tha phave concret evidec thi you pdon and that enforc point that your atheism belief christian thi not show isn pmark covalt real problem argument christian that ignor origin that asiat origin christian becom good ego centric buddhist suppos listen opinion speak not for place employ christ rate and will atf follow koresh current christ ascent heaven
alt.atheism	alt atheism faq introduct atheism addit faq atheist hospit recal correctli john hopkin built provid medic servic back religi group make hospit dedic glori weak atheism check thi brian evan bad mood bad mood bad mood bevan carina unm edu haven had sex virgin mari
alt.atheism	theist post articl aic nrl navi mil khan itd itd nrl navi mil umar khan write stuff delet concord for faq translat consid authorit orthodox commentari for faq faq for milit atheist and anoth for moder atheist you read faq you resolv differ interpret hmmmmmmmmmmmm can put question follow religion you moslem resolv differ opinion don that interpret quran read soc cultur newsgroup you will zillion interpret naren naren tekig pen tek standard disclaim appli
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write horribl death result atheism list kill name religion iran iraq war civil war sudan riot india pakistan massacar bangladesh inquist america million crusad that peopl can add lot list bobbi standard excus will not accept naren standard disclaim appli
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism nanci ann miller andrew cmu edu write snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write horribl death result atheism quit horribl death result atheist and theist perhap sinc bit weak histori somon give list war caus led theist thi thread argu valid religi viewpoint utilitarian principl atheism religion wrong death underli moral that death wrong thi arbitrari measur valid epistemolog richard harlequin internet richard harlequin internet rptb cambridg phoenix janet zen buddhist
alt.atheism	radic agnost not repli zazen austin ibm welbon mean that can possibl prove doubt that god not exist mean lack thi abil absolut proof atheist becom act faith and and thi cannot accept accept noth blind faith invis pink fly unicorn harbor belief good evid for god exist not folk call thi agnostic not suffer blind faith don worri happi for atheist lack belief god secondari epistemolog consider accept reliabl know valid logic argument for exist god empir evid that exist philosoph and theologian agre that idea god that accept faith faith belief sound logic basi empir evid reliabl know noth peopl accept absenc possibl proof even agre els word faith mean that found thi person reliabl past judg like reliabl sourc find faith reliabl logic and empir evid assum will provid reliabl knowledg god differ atheist and theist fundament whether not faith held reliabl know agnost poster whether faith god god theist believ that faith accept basi for belief god even reject faith reliabl time for exampl work scientist atheist believ that logic and empir evid lead reliabl knowledg agnostic defens posit theism atheism sceptic regard knowledg evid god santa clau easter bunni point that atheist doesn requir absolut knowledg lack god don that such thing absolut knowledg atheism and simplest theori fit lack fact and held contrari evid found david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel
alt.atheism	keith ignor mam mous cmhnet org mike mcangu write wouldn start wait religi organ longer tax exempt beef you lobbi group you ask answer encompass tax exempt statu religi organ wouldn that wouldn that religion longer tax exempt wrong lobbi attempt influenc polit keith
alt.atheism	keith schneider stealth poster mam mous cmhnet org mike mcangu write understand you order talk knowledg religion atheist immers religion that rare individu left you don understand that don peopl can discuss subject merit religion object thi obviou peopl that religion thi almost isn true you threaten motto peopl that us motto tool tool gun and ax tool us for murder that don motto misus warrant remov not thi case keith
alt.atheism	keith schneider stealth poster cmtan iss nu tan chade meng dan write somewhat agre come theist religion matter that religion drug onc us difficult that order experi religion necessarili blind faith and onc blind faith diffcult for you reason back atheism unreason peopl religion order judg ask peopl dy find death can judg death dead judg religion experienc peopl that religion bad account and that etc don total agre thi cannot religi folk act had not expos religion peopl help wai basic can not judg whether religion rout for individu even for gener popul can that not for person you can choos not us religion hard find benefit you state keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist mmwang adob michael wang write for rigor definit spend rest live argu christian believ don argu thi you that motto point that thi countri proud freedom religion and that thi that distinguish countri your opinion not share peopl gather perhap not that seek make govern recogn christian domin religion thi countri not infring right not share belief peopl not make govern recogn christian domin religion thi countri motto infring right not share belief and that govern recogn that christian domin religion thi countri mean don you realiz recogn thi thi isn that suppos teach christian that peopl person don motto major concern you agre discuss sinc peopl don associ christma jesu anymor don problem can you prove your assert that peopl don associ christma jesu anymor hear quit bit christma and jesu wouldn thi figur promin holidai associ high degre you that associ jesu person level and that think never talk that can you prove that peopl associ christma importantli jesu point that peopl associ christma jesu doesn matter peopl major not number matter take major major power discrimin doesn keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write probabl that automobil system will kill innoc accid asymptot close court system doesn automobil system can opt thi isn true peopl forc us automobil system don us choic wai get secondli make automobil system safe recogn danger innoc current exampl not make court system safer fairli easili replac fatal punish fatal punish that court system refin hundr year britain and countri make fair can made remov death penalti life imprison sound fatal punish keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist dace shrike und roi dace write keith allan schneider keith cco caltech edu wrote soldier depend religion for number purpos and doubt depend cocain don militari pai for coca field religion benefit combat situat benefit cocain keith
alt.atheism	pompou ass mv psuvm psu edu write peopl fanat propogand thi that thi conflict atheist and religi impress that outlaw religion contintu remov thing religi refer that not peopl ask perhap you you fundamentalist thi oppress not allow oppress you not shown you thi idea that peopl atheism religion winner can your groundless predict that thi will happen you haven into account propoganda rememb you ask german wwii jew shoudl slaughter answer propoganda machin roll toler you take small group fanat whip gener frenzi propoganda machin gear number issu includ abort and gai thing that happen pass amend intens scrutini and fail outlaw abort prime goal that issu yep sooo effect haven manag outlaw abort due object court manag creat quit problem for peopl that want abort creat similar problem for and wors can stop abort block clinic etc imagin stop atheism margin error larg you talk two peopl your that your opinion branch and inform survei half dozen and you question unbias keith you claim that question bias minut post answer agre ask remov motto christian portion express regret loss point that motto will not work express desir rape murder pillag etc you basic claim you convinc individu you convinc room nation for atheist portion express disgust motto note harass christian us motto justifi and glad never support that minor problem that can easili contrast happen like christian design motto motto jesu you that refer christian christian wrote christian that religion and wrong includ religion realm correct doubt that religion meant includ not clear religi convict franci scott kei motto can attribut clear that believ god and sure christian that you don that you that christian activ despis religion that met haven and don christian that queri think mean and not peopl faith christian popular suppos you peopl ask hindu moselem and jew and that applic can that peopl that pretti accur represent faith good idea assum that dissent view issu you assum that view and noth lead thi conclus evid contrari doubt that dissent opinion you claim provid evid for your assert and don access congression record can compar christian nazi interest sens that can convinc chang belief motto monei doesn cost you extra you abolish motto pai di and plate redon peopl paid chang motto you show that good reason chang doubt that us plate for year print thi make easi remov motto simpli make year plate your claim evid that will pai extra provid evid for thi assert you that redesign plate each year your argument conveni delet that motto cost lot monei thi not correct read didn mention jesu issu distinct religion and not religi and not religi motto refer god religi motto question whether not christian you doubt thi provid evid for thi assert that religion thi countri and religion ussr that quot and includ atheist gener don that quot lost mention jesu advoc religion religion specif religion not mention you miss thi point that motto didn that motto doesn impli your belief doesn that trust form god that nation thi obviou not includ thi doubt your claim that motto refer christian base fact that christian religion wrong and that motto written christian doubt your claim you that christian that religion outlaw wrong that silli flat earther wrong don advoc banish base thi idea doubt that addit expens even incur remov motto provid evid for your claim that that such cost insignific mention slight cost you that motto cost lot monei currenc disregard digress motto us for harass and purpos found for not remov motto gener don purpos don remov benefit outweigh consequ and you vote opinion you that main reason motto requir law bother atheist you that thi major congress time had mind you show opinion peopl put that concern you concern opinion entir congress not that complet major share purpos confront godless commun thi motto not major that put gener public not anti atheist intent peopl daresai peopl rememb time kei wrote anthem rememb debat surround motto rememb that peopl intend messag atheist don you includ thi your survei that you conduct you claim that scientist claim doubt thi provid evid for your assert scientist probabl that einstein rel worthi mean einstein good chanc that time for court method scientist us can appli not agre court default good record you not agre time you that decis good evid favor point you you didn agre court allow congress attempt make amend prohibit flag burn you don realiz that thi extern realm court power can confid that you court power mean you don court work can you particip discuss court judg can speak congress and you ignor abort gag rule you make your claim abort that inappropri for suprem court justic testifi congress consider constitut amend and order for court rule case present mushroom flower tree build sign analog that find offens present doesn mean that right violat talk put peopl keith not mushroom caus that mushroom exist you find thing offens mushroom farm mushroom can plant and don mushroom pizza thi not case motto and you ignor harass result motto and you ignor that line peopl forc put motto forc put motto you mean keith
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit suopanki stekt oulu write apr mst jbrown batman bmd trw god etern jesu god jesu etern thi work logic and mathemat god set thing etern jesu subset god jesu belong set thing etern isn logic merced car that girl merced that girl car your phrase ambigu write carefulli two possibl thing call merced car that girl call merced that girl car that valid piec logic deduct not sound statement fals similarli hold that jim exampl valid not sound anoth interpret you wrote exist car call merced that girl call merced that girl car isn valid mathew
alt.atheism	polit atheist keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write mathew mathew manti write perhap shouldn impris peopl watch close cost similar implant sort electron devic wait commit crime not implant such devic potenti crimin communist and atheist don follow your reason you propos punish peopl commit crime justif you for thi ironi keith mathew
alt.atheism	polit atheist keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write mathew mathew manti write for rape sure burden guilt sole rapist not you thrown into cage tiger and maul you blame tiger tiger not sentient push into pool dolphin and attack inclin blame dolphin person push dolphin not aggress and develop brain and capac for abstract thought matter fact tiger rare attack human human provok cage small that count provoc mathew
alt.atheism	polit atheist kmr cwru edu keith ryan write almost that zyklon and painless method death not insert soem form and ethnic and minor group kill mutil and extermin histori guess not unusu you agre that holocost allow constitut punish doubt reciev consid fair trial standard don happen japanes citizen world war you prepar round peopl and stick concentr camp trial short step gass trial that nazi origin intend imprison jew final solut dreamt partli couldn afford run camp devast caus goer total war weren gass gener di malnutrit diseas mathew
alt.atheism	atheist dbstu benedikt rosenau write articl manti toni lezard toni manti write delet opinion that strong atheist posit requir belief for comfort strong atheist care comment human come idea spiritu parent artifact human thought evid for that quit overwhelm and inform content conceiv vanish word god make sens and explain phenomenon religion god concept useless and don introduc assumpt order show that leap faith requir for your mileag vari fulli agre that don god exist god exist mandtbacka finabo abo mat andtbacka point hing you word mean thi bound definit strong and weak atheism faq atheism character absenc belief exist god atheist and that god not exist refer weak atheist posit and strong atheism import note differ two posit weak atheism simpl sceptic disbelief exist god strong atheism posit belief that god not exist not fall into trap assum that atheist strong atheist mathew introduct atheism version last modifi apr faq clarifi pin thi notion belief can toni lezard toni manti toni manti uknet thing toni manti nsfnet relai last resort arl phx cam pgp public kei request
alt.atheism	polit atheist mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough write you mean circular not recurs that semant recurs problem horribl ineffici assembl programm tail recurs function scheme effici iter loop doesn program assembl will heard optim compil mathew
alt.atheism	anecdot islam edu jaeger buphi edu write deletia don understand point thi petti sarcasm basic principl islam that born muslim testifi that god god and mohammad prophet god that long not explicitli reject islam word consid muslim muslim phenomenon you attempt make into gener rule psycholog direct odd basic islam principl you want attack islam you argu that islam explicitli contradict delet mention chop hand punish for theft saudi arabia assum thi wouldn and assum peopl fit your requir for muslim find highli like you convinc bobbi mozumd that muslim chop peopl hand come back you succeed disclaim great young and insan
alt.atheism	fundament contradict visit jw jbrown batman bmd trw write will determin word god creat consciou be abil choos moral choic independ god will free will not repres paragraph thought hop strike contradict fabl lucif fall recal specul base biblic text rcism show that benedikt point lucif had perfect natur had free will choos evil that choic come genesi that ev offer opportun sin tempter assum satan lucif discov invent creat call action you will that god had not origin bibl mention lucif free will make big fuss mankind free will strike fact rationalis and fact salvat not that christian ident mind salvat and free will tightli coupl theologi roman cathol theologian explain lucif fall lucif had perfect natur man fall execut act that contradict natur and effect evil exist for time lucio lucio proxima alt tab stop
alt.atheism	atheist toni lezard toni manti write opinion that strong atheist posit requir belief for comfort strong atheist care comment can strong atheist outnumb alt atheism weak atheist cost repudi faq made strong weak atheism issu context alt atheism continu attack basi that strong atheist exist god separ valid cover ars that infinit grei area weak and strong strong and unattain mathemat atheism logic can support weak atheist posit effect strong atheist and mathemat justifi strong atheist posit show that evid present favour god scrutini faulti read faq correctli argument for exist god gener repres mainstream theologian found unassail thi adequ evid that real god undefin definit found watertight turn accept suffici base disbelief each and conceiv god fuzzi edg opinion perhap chang thread subject lucio lucio proxima alt tab stop
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi anecdot islam jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write rushdi case legitim thi issu rushdi action had effect islam countri that not simpl that didn commit crime islam countri simpl person commit crime countri border time commit doesn matter physic manifest for instanc hack into nasa am research lab and delet file commit crime unit kingdom author prosecut law law automat thi net author put pressur site holland holland had anti crack legisl and view hacker haven system administr similarli compani call red hot televis broadcast pornograph materi can receiv britain broadcast britain commit crime not broadcast denmark british govern powerless spite appar law break not lawyer wrong confusingli countri not mathew
alt.atheism	anecdot islam articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write case prostitut man and prostitut punish public quit sever delet gregg you cannot lenient and punish sever public except impli almost matter that depend statist and punish public power for exampl noth islam men rape women time blow rapist head public call that lenienc wouldn you you that exampl not lenient end argument and chop hand head peopl not lenient appear that you intern claim legal system check suit descript and wasn argument that take men rape woman islam law don approv prostitut and custom word punish violat right and punish sever public anoth pointer hysteria connect sexual religion you even don can you give answer that you evid for your opposit claim thi case don accept complex ridden view orient goatherd forget that west histor sexual neurosi orient goatherd intellectu fact memori serv and will connect primit machism orient and islam peopl agre sex fine and assum that god clue detriment effect supress huh heard aid you that god evil diseas exist bla bla you miss point aid spread sex necessarili spread sex futher point import point urg for sex stronger fear aid even stronger religi attempt channel forbid sex consequ suppress sex wors consequ aid note that idea that end aid sex not control complet counterfactu and sinc you brought point your god evil not benedikt
alt.atheism	biblic rape articl apr watson ibm strom watson ibm rob strom write articl dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write didn time read rest post had respond thi absolut not messian jew anoth mistak read alt messian carefulli benedikt
alt.atheism	soc motss princeton ax match fund for boi scout articl apr midwai uchicago edu shou midwai uchicago edu write articl dhinn dsi dsinc perri dsinc jim perri write bigot never conced that bigotri irrat peopl determin that examin argument expect you set wonder world bigot whomev you thi comfort for you imagin never entertain argument your belief system simpli accus person make bigot thi thread vituper slop venom into alt atheism spend time entertain argument belief system resort accus bigotri somewhat iron that exposur bigotri happen thi instanc origin rec scout sinc understood scout teach toler and divers understand bigotri irrat prejudic peopl happen race religion ethnic background sex inconsequenti characterist evid that sexual orient and lack belief god exactli such inconsequenti characterist pend evid conclud that show prejudic such peopl bigot and organ that exclud such peopl discriminatori jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can
alt.atheism	american and evolut articl tinn senat bedfellow mit edu bob thnext mit edu robert singleton write delet will argu that your statement that god exist rest faith that you make posit statement that god exist strong atheism don and don and don not weak atheism onc not god that god not exist maintain posit even read faq that strong atheism requir faith us view you that drive car requir faith that car drive for conclus and faith premis and argument us languag problem regard faith and exist christian maintain that god not exist exist mean space and time god not god kierkegaard onc that god not exist etern thi feel pointless debat call exist god and that not that god sourc and ground you that god not exist accept thi statement mean two thing follow will us phrase exist god usual sens and thi sens that you clarif you mean exist god that word game term god us you us definit your thing commonli accept you defin god and that not exist exist not exist interestingli that exist exist indubit statement god exist wast time exist us and replac god you impli case your definit and your argument incomplet make fallaci delet can never prove that god not exist you that you god not exist and that thi opinion base observ will observt you refer observ pro con that valid establish posit belief delet that follow aren observ base assumpt that exist and wouldn you level definit that assumpt god meaning not reject that concept your evid for that god meaning level benedikt
alt.atheism	moral constant biblic rape thi frai thread turn into patent alt atheism ping pong game and don strong disagr stick thing don quit follow argument that contradict argu that bibl enlighten for time closer moral good base standard and past experi hand hope thi summar thi argument adequ and hand articl apr watson ibm strom watson ibm rob strom write articl phpe inn dsi dsinc perri dsinc jim perri write disclaim speak jewish perspect bibl mean call testament and interpret not necessarili raw text court case commentari and tradit pass jewish commun thi crux you judg bibl long line tradit and interpret come current dai merit cultur artifact will correspond close contemporari valu that bibl us todai shouldn that judg peopl us scissor cut paper shouldn consum report test scissor for paper cut abil even scissor design origin cut cloth that possibl good judg us bibl teach jewish moral todai fair claim that thi highli interpret version enlighten for time attempt extend analog thi that origin scissor maker unusu advanc paper cut for time even cut cloth and had never even heard paper not argu that bibl disgust histori depict modern standard histori full similar abus and don biblic account wors contemporari possibl our hand don reason histori describ bibl show abus contemporari our that complex and benign moral tradit evolv base mythic interpret that histori interest don fair that long tradit interpret and us attack condemn origin histori jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can
alt.atheism	polit atheist mathew mathew manti write for rape sure burden guilt sole rapist you forc live rapist will case part respons can accept that rapist hypnot view sole respons for action not necessarili rapist such for instanc you intention stick your finger into load mousetrap and snap fault keith
alt.atheism	islam author women articl apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write thing that relat navi men that tatoo that mom love mom make for viril men compar that homo rais studi and you will point bobbi you priceless you that polici bobbi post give damn flick thread high speed search for post bobbi gener pile followup and extract hilari quot inevit present for sig purpos work for for gui arriv and ask whether bobbi for real you betcha alt atheism and rest assur that get wors pearl wisdom bobbi reproduc below keith keep big file such stuff allah infinit wisdom univers creat noth and allah exist bobbi mozumd prove exist allah wait you that human rare reason doesn that contradict atheism explain logic and reason thi contradict atheism that prove fals bobbi mozumd prove exist allah believ contradictori quran for allah not exist bobbi mozumd prove exist allah and thing that relat navi men that tatoo that mom love mom make for viril men compar that homo rais studi and you will point bobbi mozumd islam rigor alt atheism mmmmm qualiti and quantiti voic islam pbuh cheer simon simon clippingdal simon dc warwick depart comput scienc tel univers warwick fax coventri
alt.atheism	soc motss princeton ax match fund for boi scout articl apr cbnewsl att stank cbnewsl att stan krieger write point rais and answer roger and state support bsa posit issu specif that homosexu behavior constitut violat scout oath specif promis live moral straight defin moral straight and don even that straight us impli hetersexu behavior straight slang word opposit gai thi alot famili valu talk misteri thing that relat navi men that tatoo that mom love mom make for viril men bobbi mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu april true muslim left world
alt.atheism	soc motss princeton ax match fund for boi scout articl apr cbnewsl att stank cbnewsl att stan krieger write roger and state support bsa posit issu specif that homosexu behavior constitut violat scout oath specif promis live moral straight noth discuss appar not respons claim that terrifi gai peopl not indoctrin children lifestyl word that effect roger calm carefulli written detail letter explain simpli bsa polici terrifi not us inflammatori languag and left extrem open for answer not receiv answer can conclud that roger consid posit indefens simpli not worth defend cloud issu comparison black minor meaningless compar appl orang peopl can control race can control behavior fact that exactli point peopl can control behavior that fact for blanket ban homosexu possibl discuss rec scout thi issu you tim pierc ust tele madr twpierc unix amherst edu del asesino que graciosa bitnet twpierc amherst pedro almodovar
alt.atheism	biblic rape articl apr watson ibm strom watson ibm rob strom write delet thread biblic rape initi david hunt post articl feu xsf kpc andrew cmu edu david hunt bluelobst cmu edu write pretti biblic rule for allow rape prison code that etc knowledg soul refer ask narrow question and gave narrow answer that wrong apolog delet david hunt post didn mention god respons you bring idea bibl god jew don thi liter sens fun met minor and god refer action god god effect rob not intim jewish theologi understand that you messian jew correct wrong appear that view messian jew metaphys that major jew jewish theologi quit distinct christian god view heard that for jew attribut evil god for christian bibl effect interact god man delet thought agre that jew disagre set core belief that agre that command access and written languag time and anoth that legal system updat context metaphys even process adapt command not transcend justif process lie metaphys specualt you break shackl metaphys your system delet you explain thi respect origin command discuss that command that you feel rape woman prison you wait and marri thi command invalid book that command commit genocid reprehens deed context repuls and foul plai imo invok rel enlighten passag exampl for content book big delet point that that connect theologi you us and interpret bibl loos interpret bibl base long tradit jewish scholar interpret bibl theologi doesn enter into jewish atheist interpret law chariti essenti not interpret law interpret bibl exampl that sodom and gomorrha mean argu god idea that metaphor and you argu god that mean that alon theo logic question proof theologi us you pose anoth metaphys riddl you you wrote thi fine major spirit absolut power absolut knowledg and appear limit mean will commun form spiritu big friend you admit that god thi context somewhat unusu assumpt that cannot creat univers and that passag bibl refer that omnipot crap that meant riddl import question light for instanc passag witrh sodom and gomorrha mean connect text fact that exist and your interpret pure arbitrari question carri burden biblic text simpli write book that convei messag you answer that can becuas peculiar biblic inform lost that hold true book and question remain bibl special place can replac bargain danger content bibl messag that includ delet you danger metaph us bibl danger danger frozen system law law wors system not not system delet read two stori import help poor and god spirit and god bodi import help poor resolv contradict corpor natur god read two stori bibl that god command peopl kill children for idolat and anoth god kill children directli import resolv messag that children kill god and argument you fallaci not import context you find god corpor not can crucial question religi believ resolv contradict that choos possibl arbitrari and advantag attribut decis god cannot resolv question statement good good depend question benedikt
alt.atheism	atheist articl epvk manti toni lezard toni manti write delet word god make sens and explain phenomenon religion god concept useless and don introduc assumpt order show that fulli agre that don god exist god exist mandtbacka finabo abo mat andtbacka point hing you word mean for god exist and don god exist word that statement god interfer thi world fals meaningless ontolog can fairli conclud that exist meaningless not exist pragmat definit truth exist meaningless make exist even logic fals problem such statement that can disprov subject god definit and case subject god even make sens troubl god definit that includ form object exist consequ god affect believ deriv interfer life delet faq clarifi pin thi notion belief can honestli don problem benedikt
alt.atheism	sex allow marriag ration islam marriag mar ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write case that wrong world will end peopl start believ islam and that horror mankind caus lack belief atheism for last time bobbi lack belief your god not impli atheism moslem aren moral not mean don god name allah allah not thing your allah moslem believ that god exist theist not true follow islam murder victim year caus atheism poverti massiv hate crime such low respect for human bodi distrust peopl wrong caus atheism peac jerk bobbi mozumd sami aario can you measur atom you can explod tut sunlight compris atom your stupid mind stupid stupid ero plan outer space disclaim don agre ero
alt.atheism	motto mania mathew write prefer mark jason dominu suggest that motto chang mind your fuck busi thi era aid isn fuck interest semi propos motto recent gloriou state maryland state state song refer abraham lincoln tyrant peopl wound state motto inherit calvert fatti maschii parol femin you read italian manli deed womanli word that effect state not long ago had women repres thi repres problem offici solut chang translat mean strong deed gentl word person suggest chang walk softli and carri big stick wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit good grief amount energi spent lousi syllog volum for true posit reason thi group wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	benediktin metaphys benedikt rosenau write great author contradictori cannot exist contradictori properti languag correct thi thing defin contradictori languag not exist will object definit realiti you amend thing describ contradictori languag not exist come plainli fals failur descript failur descript not objectivist rememb wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	gospel date you requir amount evid that pair bluejean and superhuman power us argument that us natur and claim that you cannot superhuman power you human superhuman power human and sinc you human power you not human you cannot superhuman power sound good you evid question depend context thi group sinc you post american colleg site will that you pair blue jean and assum coher your posit will that you not superhuman power argument evid respect you exist sic jesu assum that you mean man special power etc yep will agre that that man call jesu fact live fact will agre that man name jesu reason that wasn man good claim extradinari virgin birth virgin sens not sexual intercours resurect son god etc claim requir extra evid extra evid don start evid cannot evid for cynic thi group accept for second foundat religion claim risen jesu back dai period believ and discount thi group sinc ancient choos dismiss thing metaphys relationship even agre argu length mean don evid interpret extraordinari claim claim statement that speaker will not accept evid matter wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	remark admiss jon livesei write not attempt distinguish flavour christian loudli claim true christian obviou that you don attempt you awar that don loudli claim true christian avoid phrase not christian ownership issu phrase nicen christian attempt identifi vast major christian roughli similar viewpoint core theolog issu jw not fall thi group and fact espous posit arian reject nicen church and virtual wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	gospel date benedikt rosenau write argument follow oid quot john not almost codifi matthew luke consid similar point knowledg such and not sourc assum you present accur don thi argument lead firm conclus materi john not exactli refer for grant similar matt luke materi almost relationship two john get straight jesu mouth talk date text not ag author usual explan for time order mark matthew and luke not respect ag matthew read text mark and luke that matthew and that mark version usual theori heard matthew and luke independ reli mark and that luke reli matthew wouldn grate inconsist geneolog for thing assum that john knew content luke text evid for that not overwhelm admittedli thi part that that you point refer grate haven info hand late earli and possibl shed doubt order put john rest close gap suppos write and exist copi quit bit origin copi can written and surviv becom probabl and don step remov sourc that bad luke and mark and matthew learn stori directli dicipl cannot sort big transform jesu gospel that peopl posit new report gener get inform thi and john dicipl noth that john discipl not gener accept style and languag togeth theologi us counterargu not impress theologi argument point thi and point earlier cannot make argument peter reason not accept authent letter step and gener remov bad even time compar that report similar event centuri almost illiter societi analog report talk particip not bad word not origin mark and argument base mark pretti weak statement divin not that section and case agre that import epistl predat mark wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	yeah benedikt rosenau write and that revel thing charlei you talk thi intellectu engag revel risk take peopl that concept metaphys and religi knowledg contradict not objectivist not impress problem conceptu problem thi case bad that explain quantum mechan and rel term ordinari experi can rough understand languag perspect ordinari phenomena inconsist and perspect describ inexact charit analog situat supposedli obtain metaphys problem that descript languag not and case hold reliabl inform can you show you establish that thi word reliabl essenti meaningless context you can show reliabl can determin wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	radic agnost not articl apr cnsvax uwec edu nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye wrote repli zazen austin ibm welbon mean that can possibl prove doubt that god not exist mean lack thi abil absolut proof atheist becom act faith and and thi cannot accept accept noth blind faith invis pink fly unicorn harbor belief good evid for god exist not folk call thi agnostic not suffer blind faith don worri happi for atheist lack belief god secondari epistemolog consider accept reliabl know valid logic argument for exist god empir evid that exist philosoph and theologian agre that idea god that accept faith faith belief sound logic basi empir evid reliabl know you expand your definit know bit monolith not that you intend that don for exampl distinguish know equal appl appl equal appl french know that jerri lewi auteur and mean socrat thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel thi epigraph perhap issu learn absurd merit explor gene
alt.atheism	polit atheist bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write person object that find capit punish cruel and unusu punish circumst can painless isn cruel and occur frequent sinc dawn time unusu don issu number singl innoc life innoc die due you singl accident fals execut issu keith
alt.atheism	yeah articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write for year period ask charlei wingat explain thi mythic altern ration propound enthusiast pop month reluct explain that not hot time that altern that you caught and altern point ration isn altern problem metaphys and religi knowledg unsolv human cannot solv altern you basi whatsoev for your claim usual line you call prejudg atheism and disput that reason you admit that you altern basi for claim that reason that reason inapplic religi knowledg possibl that reason conflict religi knowledg thi sound can provid ration defens for belief prefer discard ration accept that fals hope make you happi your repeat and unfound assert thi effect don advanc your jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can
alt.atheism	yeah articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write benedikt rosenau write and that revel thing charlei you talk thi intellectu engag revel risk take core question suggest scenario will grant that god exist and revel commun human revel take form paraphras your word thi infinit power deiti grab poor schmuck make dictat and hide for hundr year exist human not person experienc revel thi person observ that not revel element that contradict strongli aspect observ world thi person mutual contradictori claim revel base thi can thi person blame for conclud absent person revel that almost noth thi revel thing not objectivist not impress problem conceptu problem thi case bad that explain quantum mechan and rel term ordinari experi can rough understand languag perspect ordinari phenomena inconsist and perspect describ inexact charit analog situat supposedli obtain metaphys problem that descript languag not absent thi languag and absent observ support claim revel can blame for doubt thing drive thought long time thi come honest conclus that deiti noth propos religion that familiar happen christian god will held account for such honest mistak sincer rai ingl ingl engin umich edu meek can earth rest star robert heinlein
alt.atheism	ancient islam ritual pkqe inn lynx unm edu cfaehl vesta unm edu chri faehl write articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write delet point nutshel opinion that pre marit sex make likelihood extra marit sex probabl opinion extra marit sex help break partnership and lead greater divorc rate thi turn opinion creat trauma and stabl environ for children opinion like grow psycholog problem such depress etc and sex marriag long run harm societi that you draw link sex marriag noth adulteri onc commit into marriag issu commit you not foist pain your spous and confid you addit marriag busi not mine and not wit strong relationship that incorpor extra marit sex agre your assert children children not wit such confus relationship adulteri stress adult assum gener can expect children understand evid for opinion moment gener can cite for exampl read that centuri percentag youth and peopl gener suffer depress steadili climb western societi read refer usa similarli can detect trend greater occurr sex marriag thi centuri western societi sexual revolut even that sexual revolut not gradual weaken christian and christian moral teach sex marriag propos that two trend greater level gener depress societi and psycholog problem and greater sexual promiscu link prime cannot provid evid thi thi stage thesi reason and request that peopl ponder reason trend obes and trend depress you can pick your two favorit trend notic correl and make sweep statement gener mean you can and peopl that not mean that valid reason thesi gross oversimplif push pull factor peopl experi argument propos plausibl argument extra marit sex person truth main purpos for post show that plausibl argument can made extra marit sex thi stage not that thi viewpoint proven that that plausibl convinc you thi point view lot work research thi field etc order gather evid simpli not time note that that extra marit sex prime opinion gener greater level psycholog problem depress western societi not prime prime signific contribut thi trend you you view simplist you forgotten thi admit that factor that extra marit sex and imo subsequ destabil famili signific factor rise psycholog problem depress western societi thi centuri fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	ancient islam ritual ednclark kraken ednclark kraken itc edu jeffrei clark write cfaehl vesta unm edu chri faehl write reason trend obes and trend depress you can pick your two favorit trend notic correl and make sweep statement gener mean you can and peopl that not mean that valid reason thesi gross oversimplif push pull factor peopl experi basic social interact chang factor societi complic for control hold panic handl and hope that head for soft land thing for depress and destruct nuclear famili not due sole sex marriag note that never that depress and destruct nuclear famili due sole extra marit sex specif that prime thi not prime thi recogn that factor that extra marit sex and subsequ destabil famili signific factor rise psycholog problem includ depress west centuri fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	sex allow marriag ration islam marriag apr proxima alt lucio proxima alt lucio write daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write point view that argument sexism bad simpli not hold give you exampl permit woman temporarili leav job due pregnanc that allow happen sexist women nevertheless despit fact that sexist complet support such law fred you exasper sexism racial form discrimin obviou physic cultur differ deni portion popul right anoth thi context your exampl hold water whatsoev discrimin deni men matern leav fact quit convinc that experi male pregnanc for such futur father leav medic ground argu thi week ago men and women physic physiolog and psycholog recent evid for thi statement present book brainsex ann moir and david jessel recommend you find copi and read book overview recent scientif research thi topic and referenc women and men wai law can adequ into account area take into account wai men and women matern leav exampl thi take into account that women pregnant not give women rule give men treat women treat men thi instanc unjust thi simpli obviou exampl men and women intrins peopl make naiv argument that sexism oppress matern leav sexist men not pregnant men not access leav that women not extent degre and sexist matter man pregnant and matern leav never can and law sexist man can access matern leav matter hard pregnant hope thi clear matern leav exampl sexist law sexism reflect sexism natur make men and women differ men and women subtl pregnanc and find recommend you book brainsex your point that perhap dai men can pregnant fallaci men can dai becom pregnant will biolog becom women womb and factor requir for pregnanc wrap definit woman your argument examin fallaci you that men can sexist matern leav privileg that women can becom women support statement that matern leav sexist discrimin come woman deni opportun legal determin sexual inferior understand religi sexual discrimin and doubt that islam except femal not allow into priestli cast and gener subjug that aspir right equal human entitl offici priesthood islam thi function islam scholar femal islam scholar and femal islam scholar exist islam exampl earli islam histori prophet widow aisha recogn time and recogn time islam scholar matter sweetli you coat part role religion histor serv function oppress femal whether forc procreat extent opportun for improv deni access facil male offer you evid for your blanket statement religion and disput and women islam etc recent repost head islam and women your new site suggest you read repost soc religion islam disappear alt atheism soc religion islam forgot origin titl will email you you roman cathol church blatant culprit istitutionalis celib clergi religi woman attempt escap role child bearer and wrath god descend your statement that religion statement base simpli lack knowledg religion christian and perhap judaism accept your affirm that islam grant women right men you can show that muslim woman can aspir posit khomeini and artifici religi social obstacl path achiev thi aisha mention earlier not islam scholar stage militari leader show equival hillari rhodam clinton islam and discuss issu you prophet wife di hijra prophet journei mecca medina success businesswoman lucio you cannot make strong case for your viewpoint your viewpoint base ignor world religion fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	ancient islam ritual dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write discuss pro and con sex marriag person that part last partnership men and women that thi help provid stabl and secur environ for children grow delet addit chri faehl post homosexu islam viewpoint homosexu not norm for societi cannot islam viewpoint homosexu not research fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	benediktin metaphys articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write benedikt rosenau write great author contradictori cannot exist contradictori properti languag correct thi thing defin contradictori languag not exist will object definit realiti you amend thing describ contradictori languag not exist come plainli fals failur descript failur descript thi descript object that time euclidean squar and euclidean circl hold that object satisfi thi descript exist descript inconsist and describ object that not exist suppos point bicycl and that object time euclidean squar and euclidean circl thi not mean that bicycl not exist measn that descript incorrectli appli atheist descript god that present contradictori and describ that cannot exist your posit can gather that god exist descript atheist present simpli bad descript thi roughli analog never bicycl and for descript peopl claim told that euclidean circl squar can blame for doubt strongli that thi bicycl exist not objectivist rememb kid sincer rai ingl ingl engin umich edu meek can earth rest star robert heinlein
alt.atheism	islam author women articl apr dc warwick simon dc warwick simon clippingdal write for gui arriv and ask whether bobbi for real you betcha alt atheism and rest assur that get wors pearl wisdom bobbi reproduc below keith keep big file such stuff misplac diskett last coupl month effort bobbi replenish quickli recent favorit satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit good grief articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write amount energi spent lousi syllog volum for true posit reason thi group agre spend energi nonexist god satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu
alt.atheism	evo homosexu princeton etc bill had clear thi good evolutionari argument homosexu don qualifi articl vwn darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write wainwright eczcaw mip nott wrote delet odd homosexu had evolutionari function delet time man sex woman intend produc children hmm world overpopul you monti python song sperm sacr and you purpos mean limit popul growth your arguement natur context talk evolutionari function basic requir evolut that member speci procreat don purpos that context guess social insect ant bee etc breed queen and passel steril worker huh dai ain true peopl can decid whether not children and will choos sex that anoth arguement lifestyl decis your arguement sinc homosexu can not choos not reproduc akin peopl decid sex not children unnatur each anoth sequitur sex evolutionari function that exist for procreat that recreat incident that homosexu don procreat mean that sex recreat and noth serv evolutionari purpos refer you bonobo speci primat closelei relat human chimpanze that close sex time homosexu heterosexu group find food sex sleep night sex escap fight prdator sex sex serv import social function and reproduct thi speci speci close relat human indic that sex perform social function human even not thi show that such function not imposs sincer rai ingl ingl engin umich edu meek can earth rest star robert heinlein
alt.atheism	vonnegut atheism yesterdai chanc hear kurt vonnegut speak univers hampshir vonnegut succeed isaac asimov honorari head american humanist associ vonnegut atheist and asimov asimov funer vonnegut stood and asimov heaven ignit uproari laughter room peopl speak time funer funniest thing possibl room full humanist vonnegut yesterdai lectur vonnegut come speak your univers highli recommend even you never read novel opinion greatest live humorist greatest live humanist humorist peac dana
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write clarifi muslim mean muslim gener call muslim and not outwardli profess clear contradict essenti teach islam consid muslim thing contrari islam ignor for exampl not suddenli not becom muslim knowingli transgress islam teach and essenti principl leav islam you and bobbi sit and decid exactli islam post zlumber not muslim evil muslin can evil evil suffer temporari athiesm member claim muslim stori straight satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu
alt.atheism	request for support articl apr sei cmu edu dpw sei cmu edu david wood write you respond articl includ similar answer question pose you charlei challeng agre satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu
alt.atheism	bill conner articl mlr darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write you explain thi pertain thi posit statement type practic and you name you thi relat and bill you explain pertain thi posit statement type practic satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu
alt.atheism	soc motss princeton ax match fund for boi scout articl jvigneau apr ulowel edu jvigneau ulowel edu joe vigneau write bsa taught don toler met thi gui thought gai fari bsa taught antibigot give testimoni experi scout back issu wasn gai principl for put testimoni stan krieger and kind thi discuss doesn belong and intoler accept posit scout notic bsa hijack religi core valu surviv spite leadership and scout and scout haven testimoni thi remind that scout worth fight for cautionari note you realiz that your experi thi camp leader bsa you put risk public word leak bsa gestapo bill mayn
alt.atheism	soc motss princeton ax match fund for boi scout wainwright eczcaw mip nott wrote jim thought that homophob word us act ralli didn beleiv real peopl us agre term definit homophob activ and militantli attack homosexu latent homosexu hostil conceal true orient sinc disapprov condemn homosexu homophob your implic clear necessarili follow that men latent homosexu bisexu crap crap crap crap crap definit type phobe come phobia irrat fear homophob not act meet word appar gener us perhap isn bibl wouldst thou prefer commun thou bilespeak arachnophob irrat fear spider agoraphob irrat fear wide open space you understand english phobia will react will avoid and that not will strike run gaybash occur natur process peopl defin homophobia will run gai peopl violenc isn that you take issu your remark parenthet mine and add noth odd homosexu had evolutionari function limit popul growth sinc evolut occur member gener pass trait subsequ gener homosexu evolutionari deadend your usag term homophob sens you intend men homosexu and evolut speci time man sex woman intend produc children hmm world overpopul you monti python song sperm sacr and you purpos mean limit popul growth your arguement natur context talk evolutionari function basic requir evolut that member speci procreat don purpos that context anoth point that offspr each gener surviv particip parent famili exist sinc homosexu not reproduc cannot constitut famili sinc major humankind part famili homosexu evolutionari abber contrari natur you will that true your arguement homosexu vanish year ago due procreat parent singl parent famili put babi cold co your arguement die your argument homosexu genet determin your second point you prove that you idea context mean talk evolut preserv speci fundament premis process get wors sinc overwhelm major peopl prefer heterosexu relationship homosexu social abber homosexu eschew biolog imper reproduc and social imper form and particip fundament social element famili wait read expect you ten children famili grow dai sex procreat admittedli pleasur pre pill and pre condom dai you had sex chanc produc children dai ain true peopl can decid whether not children and will choos sex that anoth arguement lifestyl decis your arguement sinc homosexu can not choos not reproduc akin peopl decid sex not children unnatur each anoth sequitur sex evolutionari function that exist for procreat that recreat incident that homosexu don procreat mean that sex recreat and noth serv evolutionari purpos sinc homosexu come closet and convinc polici maker that civil right claim that sexual prefer life style orient choic that protect law homosexu mere choic and contrari natur and anti social pervers choic even credibl promin peopl peopl peopl you live life you god fanci date pretti obviou dodg you you you feel oblig respond statement not tell demonstr that argument practic homosexu provid altern lifestly that not homophob that can call pervers context even atheist can understand realiz that thi come danger close establish and that atheist compel object that basi you consist you case thi regard character opposit homosexu homophob ignor compel argument legitim homosexu life style sinc charg intend intimid demogogueri and not fact jim persuas argument for suppress homosexu thi start crap your argument base outdat ideal likewis bibl honest christian condemn ten gener spawn bastard etern damnat crush peni accid not deuteronomi your comment pertain you disguis can mention ideal date your argument reactionari you contribut homosexu exclud particip scout reason us restrict teach logic homosexu deviat social and biolog sinc adult role model for child incumb parent ensur that child isol child harm thi case harm mean primarili social that extend easili you show sex that describ normal and will hat puma basebal cap you man meat anoth man poison thi you pick singl point that you find offens and explain your object that you can discuss thi issu intellig bill
alt.atheism	fluid liquid west wam umd edu brian west write delet similar analog can made glass for you don glass liquid your scienc teacher and flow delet your scienc teacher tell you glass liquid scienc teacher glass supercool fluid not liquid high temperatur definit liquid includ readili take form contain accur don want peopl creationist uunet tektronix sail mikec cranford uunet tektronix sail lab tek mikec princip troll arpa mikec sail lab tek relai net resid skeptic csnet mikec sail lab tek teklab tektronix
alt.atheism	gospel date articl vyfu darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write keith ryan kmr cwru edu wrote wild and fanci claim requir greater evid you state that book your room blue not evid you claim that two head leapard your bed and don mean male lover leotard keith issu truth consequ proposit argu irrelev issu consequ such and such true truth irrelev disagre proposit amount evid and support can miriad factor for each individu quit requir level evid point histori import fussr not comrad state that own pair blue jean evid live unit state time such statement rais eyebrow individu wear busi suit etc degre effect world and strength claim determin amount evid determin level evid relev consequ proposit consequ proposit irrelv explain not accept electro magnet forc attract two charg particl invers proport cube distanc apart rememb consequ law not relev can not us experiment evid disproof consequ law incongru law and state affair incongru thi law and natur law irrelev theoriz truth law that consequ proposit irrelv includ consequ contradict contradict state affiar judg true not alon find truth truth defin insert convers explain truth truth that for even truth never possibl find concept meaningless satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu
alt.atheism	moral constant biblic rape articl jxd darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write coupl thing your post and thi thread that confus atheist for thing can understood process natur exclus for recours divniti describ explain purpos direct for event requir physic chemistri biologi etc random noth determnin thi post contain fallaci respond abolish divin requir elimin freewil you not shown thi you not even attempt exist omnisci elimin freewil mortal post month ago refut give reason reason satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu
alt.atheism	gospel date articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write delet cannot evid for cynic thi group accept for second foundat religion claim risen jesu back dai period believ and discount thi group sinc ancient choos dismiss thing metaphys relationship even agre argu length mean don evid cooki charli claim that jesu discredit extraordinari claim that don match evid thi case for that gospel cannot even agre jesu zillion spook stori and even religi context evid resurrect elabor argument made not pass your post filter interpret extraordinari claim claim statement that speaker will not accept evid matter evid strict mean actual evid part noth claim charli invis pink unicorn your standard evid for ipu benedikt
alt.atheism	contradict articl oi clj austin ibm yoder austin ibm stuart yoder write univers you theist cannot understand that insid univers and univers two place put god univers and you subtract abil interact insid univers put insid univers and you impos rule physic god univers thing univers not abil interact insid univers god cannot interact insid univers basi whatsoev you posit knowledg thi corrallari negat contridict not complet model physic rule govern insid univers expect that contradictori event like destroi fabric modern physic hand your notion omnipot omnisci and infinit benevol god not subject physic law you attempt explain thi describ measur measur mean can measur effect realiti cannot interact ergo your god irrelev god measur measur mean can measur effect realiti god cannot measur effect realiti basi whatsoev corrallari negat contradict satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu
alt.atheism	ontolog benediktin metaphys articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write contradictori cannot exist contradictori properti languag correct thi thing defin contradictori languag not exist correct stand will object definit realiti you amend thing describ contradictori languag not exist come plainli fals failur descript failur descript you miss point thing defin contradictori languag not exist exist meant conclus drawn descript wrong possibl find describ and draw conclus direct knowledg describ anoth possibl drop contradictori part that impli that can trust concept present and that not doubt sourc not objectivist rememb thing directli sens includ form model us model contradict model not approv remain question contradictori can sens contradictori import point that manag resolv contradict forc not us refer contradictori part draw conclus will fall garbag garbag trap benedikt
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi refer delet move thi thread articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write articl phkf inn dsi dsinc perri dsinc jim perri write rushdi understand muslim fact that british citizen not preclud muslim rushdi atheist us local terminolog not put word mouth time write tsv and time fatwa februari born muslim fairli muslim explicitli renounc islam never explicitli renounc islam extrem doubt exist god muslim legal intellectu issu islam put simpli not muslim not accept charg apostaci never adult life affirm belief and not affirm can not apostas islam state that can coercion matter religion muslim respect horrifi idea that belong faith pure virtu birth and that person freeli chose not muslim put death salman rushdi good faith god satan paradis and hell vanish dai fifteenth year quit abruptli lost faith and prove found atheism bought tasteless ham sandwich and partook for time forbidden flesh swine thunderbolt arriv strike that dai thi thought wholli seculat person salman rushdi god trust rushdi affair discredit islam ey khomeini fanat and fring element religion even appar moder muslim particip refus distanc witch hunt rushdi thi true khomenei motiv quit irrelev issu fact matter that rushdi made fals statement fiction line fact and fiction life mohammad function illiter absolut concept natur such thing accept reluctantli mob pakistan not you present fiction dream dement charact cannot wildest stretch imagin consid reflect actual mohammad wors doesn present mahound moham charact wors light secular histori islam lewd misrepresent life that wive that peopl rush defens consid absolut fool for write satan vers don hold back consid apost and blasphem not for write satan vers for peopl accept propagandist version contain that book find singl muslim convinc that read book initi claim shown knowledg book superfici newsweek stori impart and made factual misstat event book you understand reason thi origin concept satan vers penguin paperback rafiq zakariyah call mohammad and quran ey for counter propos suggest that you vike hardcov salman rushdi call satan vers perhap you understand jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can
alt.atheism	visit jehovah wit articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write articl twso ileaf mukesh ileaf mukesh prasad write articl apr batman bmd trw jbrown batman bmd trw write articl ainn matt ksu ksu edu strat matt ksu ksu edu steve davi write bskendig netcom brian kendig write earth evil satan rule thi guess sinc wit bother impli that satan omnisci you trick into that satan know and us that statement show belief contradictari satan not omnisci hold dominion earth christian theologi note not confus theologi standard theologi creat satan and orthodox christian theologi state that god creat lucif satan angel want be celebr glorifi exist and life and therebi god why and wherefor god motiv for creat angel not big issu christian theologi god creat lucif perfect natur and gave angel free moral will lucif high angel perhap highest great author that great caus begin pride and desir equal greater god forgot place creat exalt god and therebi evil and sin enter creation stori that lucif refus bow man god command lucif devot god yeah noth genesi that snake snake talk had leg time don point contradict stori show error theologi supernatur entiti kick human paradis bit into fruit that gave special power not respond reason and logic brian
alt.atheism	ancient islam ritual articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write discuss pro and con sex marriag evid for opinion moment gener can cite for exampl read that centuri percentag youth and peopl gener suffer depress steadili climb western societi read refer usa similarli can detect trend greater occurr sex marriag thi centuri western societi sexual revolut even that sexual revolut not gradual weaken christian and christian moral teach sex marriag propos that two trend greater level gener depress societi and psycholog problem and greater sexual promiscu link prime cannot provid evid thi thi stage thesi reason and request that peopl ponder fred rice muslim give point view daric yoyo monash edu thi big leap sex depress exampl sex depress promiscu declin depress not and reason depress promiscu depress like come emot problem relationship famili job friend and promiscu us escap sinc marriag civil and religi bond emot bond don problem sex not marriag long you commit and devot expect marri coupl thi opinion brian
alt.atheism	yeah articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write and that revel thing charlei you talk thi intellectu engag revel risk take not ration intellectu mad qualifi intellectu engag peopl that concept metaphys and religi knowledg contradict not objectivist not impress problem conceptu problem thi case bad that explain quantum mechan and rel term ordinari experi can rough understand languag perspect ordinari phenomena inconsist and perspect describ inexact charit exactli scienc mathemat represent natur languag not suppos replac elabor represent mathemat terminolog suppos truth oppos represent god religion ordinari languag admittedli not religion fanci side effect inept represent etern hassl religion and for make experi that will lead result that will agre similar show similar religion analog situat supposedli obtain metaphys problem that descript languag not effect that model present useless and can argu that that reason metaphys flourish make statement that can verifi falsifi show that bogu and case hold reliabl inform can you show you establish that thi word reliabl essenti meaningless context you can show reliabl can determin haven you read post reliabl and can acheiv determin benedikt
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law psilink robert knowl psilink write date sat apr gmt fred rice daric yoyo monash edu ivt cfj fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write british blow skyscrap don you you impli that person accus blow wtc and that islam teach blow wtc wtc world trade centr build that blown make comment person accus innoc proven guilti rememb secondli hole accus that read for instanc gui us that van blow build and back and claim deposit back incred stupid perhap salamen uneduc muslim hear nevertheless appar smart put togeth sophist bomb doesn fit togeth salameh not person involv fellow chemic engin work for alli signal had specif studi explos devic school not radic muslim type studi thing thi univers for price freedom read fellow told salameh put togeth phone bomb supposedli sort sophist type put assum complic sophist bomb togeth instruct phone brain expect despit thi attack and threat mosqu and muslim unit state consequ accus read thi happen live and heard mosqu attack mosqu houston texa and can verifi thi great jewish media conspiraci keep know thi heard mosqu attack desert storm ventur quiet local jersei read thi articl australian muslim time newspap weekli australian muslim commun thi true perhap muslim base north america thi post can elabor islam teach teach harm innoc qur explicitli teach harm innoc even time war blow wtc and harm innoc blatant contradict islam teach thi mean absolut noth plenti peopl commit violenc valid religi principl peopl post thing koran misinterpret that explan you us uneduc muslim harm idol and unbeliev thing muslim that muslim that islam teach harm innoc and suppos you word that never happen you consequ allah strike alleg violenc occur not muslim commit violent act and hide vers koran pretti hip that trick and even doubt that will come trial defens that muslim and islam teach not harm innoc peopl kill not innoc set bomb your honor you rememb sir muslim allah power allah not allow thi you insult religion great defens admit that incred stupid violent muslim world and stop hide that fact good deni make reason muslim protect bad can you that don deni thi fact thrust argument that salameh law innoc not found guilti court law guilt not establish wrong for peopl make post base thi assumpt islam teach not harm innoc muslim perhap not realiz that islam teach thi perform such action not teach islam spite and contradict teach islam thi import distinct clarifi muslim mean muslim gener call muslim and not outwardli profess clear contradict essenti teach islam consid muslim thing contrari islam ignor for exampl not suddenli not becom muslim knowingli transgress islam teach and essenti principl leav islam term muslim contrast min mean true believ whether muslim realiti min god and perhap that person you will not find term min us muslim alt atheism not and god whether for exampl true believ not for exampl put show and realiti opposit write know muslim mean outwardli profess follow islam whether practic ignor transgress islam teach muslim not necessarili mean min true believ islam fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	gospel date mango umd edu charlei wingat write david wood write extraordinari claim requir extraordinari evid thi high falutin don you you make meta argument case you wrong invis pink unicorn exist jesu not extradinari claim respond histor accuraci biblic claim exist jesu and that not even mention post you want complain that miracl attribut constitut such claim and won argu that issu wrong that exactli issu back and read context includ post and you mean that you kind respond your question for answer charlei challeng your claim that not varieti dishonest dodg that feel fool person dave wood
alt.atheism	and anoth thing mango umd edu charlei wingat write keith ryan write you will ignor critic your logic incongruenti your stanc you will not answer question valid opinion and fact you state start that not and respons reason continu not argu version posit cannot argu your version your posit includ charlei challeng your claim flat lie last week you claim that you not answer challeng you turn includ text you want your context includ articl not come thi contradict make entri challeng post bloodi thing that you written relat thi thread and will pleas post back posit you forgotten that you leav electron paper trail net thi usual theist approach matter time argument disproven shown applic sequitur crop time time speak sequitur thi and sauc for goos disproof fallaci repeat and such law natur argument post recent not chang subject wouldn finish thread question you begin dave wood
alt.atheism	period post charlei challeng addit thi version challeng addendum summar charlei respons date thi post made period attempt encourag charlei wingat address direct challeng evid speciou claim continu post period answer publicli that won answer stop post alt atheism alt atheism commun tell stop total bore apolog for somewhat juvenil natur thi approach loss figur anoth crack intransig and intellectu dishonesti thi post charlei can notic that you fail provid answer substant question that rais respons your previou post submit that you don answer you cannot answer run afoul your logic and onc challeng you prove wrong make task easi for you present concis statement question that you fail answer hope that you address time for you fail answer reason time period will post thi articl suitabl addit and delet such time that notic post you anoth topic will repeat thi procedur you address outstand challeng you ceas post thi newsgroup apolog advanc you answer question previous and your answer miss notic you can kind post mail such articl will pleas publicli rescind challeng question and remov thi list question claim that atheist fit into neat psycholog pattern that you propos semi retract that claim state that you weren refer atheist ask you name atheist you feel don fit your pattern show that you not refer atheist that you awar you fail question can you name poster not fit into your stereotyp context for question thi not true for thi board and you line assum that you delet text that didn mean impli that experi line whether not you mean make such implic you repeatedli approach issu anoth viewpoint can you name atheist that you come across not fit into pattern that you theoriz you umbrag statement effect that sens and reason and press you impli that altern call revel repeatedli ask you explain revel and can experi and interpret revel sens and reason you fail question can you explain revel and can experi and interpret sens and inher reason context for question revel not reason and revel reason not show that revel exist second revel not perceiv sens exactli perceiv webster revel act reveal commun divin truth such thing can reveal commun sens you can interpret thi revel reason that your brain interpret you sens for human interfac univers sens interpret reason your brain thi simpl truth you anoth mechan interfac mean share you cannot escap fact that entir interfac univers sens and reason period thi indefens simpl truth challeng you show mystic will agre thi assert and common defens redefin sens absorb for instanc mystic experi beg question whether sens you broadest definit sens make thing easier for you show that mystic experi exist rememb you aren allow testimoni mystic sinc you dismiss testimoni unreli you taint bia onc mystic thingi absorb show evid that human can recogn and respond short interpret that person reason capabl challeng you show thing you cannot you give fight reiter you not explain your interpret your experi not for attack point fact specif challeng you explain thi revel stuff that you talk and note for record that you declin challeng sens interpret and thi sens and interpret occur conduit sens and reason abil you answer question that straight heart your claim you can answer your claim speciou you state that claim dispassion analysi made poster unverifi and fantast ask you identifi such claim that made you fail question made claim that unverifi and fantast repeat context for question david wood sensit and intellig wrong post likewis refer unverifi fantast claim repres fairli accur reaction claim dispassion analysi that repeat thi group give your address and pleas send you dictionari fail that can you name claim that made that sens unverifi fantast demand that you retract thi statement you cannot offer evid you follow your usual pattern ignor challeng you simpli asshol you dismiss claim atheist that atheist result reason you state that accept axiom reason that couldn becom atheist ask you explain contradict your respons statement that question incoher opinion not share that ask atheist theist you fail answer question question you retract your claim that poster not becom atheist result reason despit testimoni that effect you don retract that claim you retract subsequ claim that accept axiom reason inevit result atheism context for question quot bunch peopl claim that posit base reason atheist prove second quot not can accept axiom and not end atheist point view you claim that you not answer challeng contain includ text previou post you impli that you wouldn respond put word your mouth clarifi thi contradict question you prefer respond challeng that includ context your post that paraphras your posit order avoid includ text context for question you ordinari rule that don read articl line articl noth includ text screen not rule moral practic not argu version posit cannot argu usual your respons await anticip dave wood for record below compil charlei respons challeng date thi make sens appear utter incoher answer question wood imagin wood not subscrib opinion that gauntlet thrown net requir respons whatsoev point read and respond your articl and not ordinari rule that don read articl line articl noth includ text screen not rule moral practic left don respond utmost list thing avoid argument argument meta argument call start that not and respons reason continu not argu version posit cannot argu
alt.atheism	polit atheist halat pooh bear jim halat write object moral exist that flavor moral approxim onc natur object moral fairli easili defin long you goal mind that purpos thi moral not quit get you mean thi object moral oxymoron definit goal orient issu thi subject natur don you word object goal not subject for instanc goal natur moral propog speci perhap wasn intellig anim that revis thi intellig anim and moral suit bit complic law jungl don that actual subject you and object assum that ideal such system carri complet keith
alt.atheism	request for support request for charlei wingat respond charlei challeng and judg mail quit you clear that wingat intend continu post tangenti unrel articl ingor challeng last two post challeng note perhap dozen post wingat answer singl challeng unmistak that wingat hope that question will and level chang subject that thi common net theist tactic suggest that impress desir for answer manner ignor futur articl wingat that not address challeng answer explictli announc that refus you respond articl includ similar answer question pose you charlei challeng not humili want honest answer you wouldn that honesti devout christian you nevermind that rhetor question dave wood
alt.atheism	gospel date articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write assum you present accur don thi argument lead firm conclus materi john not exactli refer for grant similar matt luke materi almost relationship two john get straight jesu mouth argument john codifi version logia and not origin assum that weak that john origin refer text that logia codifi version place argument alon not firm conclus fit into date for gospel talk date text not ag author usual explan for time order mark matthew and luke not respect ag matthew read text mark and luke that matthew and that mark version usual theori heard matthew and luke independ reli mark and that luke reli matthew wouldn grate inconsist geneolog for thing not necessarili luke trust version knew version matthew improv matthew give motiv for instanc theori that luke matthew base statist analysi text assum that john knew content luke text evid for that not overwhelm admittedli thi part that that you point refer grate yep will anoth dai sourc hope your german good haven info hand late earli and possibl shed doubt order put john rest close gap suppos write and exist copi quit bit origin copi can written and surviv becom probabl not copi chang date john that john discipl not gener accept style and languag togeth theologi us counterargu not impress theologi argument point thi and point earlier cannot make argument peter reason not accept authent letter possibl and evid authenc letter discuss conclus not drawn pet dogma church fall step and gener remov bad even time compar that report similar event centuri almost illiter societi analog report talk particip not bad newslett polit parti report big meet not necessarili wrong bad word not origin mark and argument base mark pretti weak statement divin not that section and case agre that import epistl predat mark accuraci tradit anoth problem question letter not paul and predat mark claim divin jesu benedikt
alt.atheism	american and evolut articl dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write articl tinn senat bedfellow mit edu bob thnext mit edu robert singleton write delet will argu that your statement that god exist rest faith that you make posit statement that god exist strong atheism don and don and don not weak atheism onc not god that god not exist maintain posit even read faq that strong atheism requir faith us view you that drive car requir faith that car drive not thi requir faith part car drive drive fact driven requir faith belief that sens give accur represent evid pro con for exist exist god below thi for conclus and faith premis and argument us remain skeptic don conclus that you evid that god correct lack evid for exist evid for exist creationist similar mode argument disprov evolut establish creation you person never neutrino exist pink unicorn analog break and naiv scientif theori that explain appear anim life evolut draw conclus that pink unicorn don exist haven thi conclus foundat observ and theori pink unicorn exist qualit similar entiti that sinc good evid that life earth evolv primit ancestor pink unicorn share common anscestori hors and zebra and such god such correspond imo physic frame work observ draw conclus languag problem regard faith and exist christian maintain that god not exist exist mean space and time god not god kierkegaard onc that god not exist etern thi feel pointless debat call exist god and that not that god sourc and ground you that god not exist accept thi statement mean two thing follow will us phrase exist god usual sens and thi sens that you clarif you mean exist god that word game disagre you profoundli thi haven defin god exist fact haven defin god thi get subject you relev can come back god exist wast time exist us and replac god you impli case your definit and your argument incomplet make fallaci you wrong categori perhap you misunderstand make argument and offer definit fallaci not convinc you and that rest faith and inappropri appli categori logic thi realm tell you that can logic prove god that evid us logic disprov claim fine and btw incomplet argument not fallaci thing not even wrong delet can never prove that god not exist you that you god not exist and that thi opinion base observ will observt you refer observ pro con that valid establish posit belief delet that follow aren observ base assumpt that exist don follow you can make observ thing that didn exist maintain that cannot us observ infer that god not exist such posit assert requir leap and wouldn you level definit that assumpt god meaning not reject that concept your evid for that god meaning level onc you complet misunderstand evid that god meaning level such respons you gave come natur you peopl run privat concept god your throat not thi argu and thing that make posit assert for can principl evid for requir leap requir faith you theist form atheism that can respect found honesti benedikt bob singleton bob thnext mit edu
alt.atheism	second law albert sabin joel hane jjh diag amdahl wrote connor assert that complex paleontolog simpli incorrect lineag structur lost for exampl snake lost leg cave fish lost ey speci almost complet lost male kiwi descend bird function wing joel statement made illustr inescap anthrpomorph qualiti descipt evolutionari process evolut can describ explain term teleolog that point even reason understand evolut biologist for instanc tend personifi natur and can limit languag natur natur bill
alt.atheism	gospel date keith ryan kmr cwru edu wrote wild and fanci claim requir greater evid you state that book your room blue not evid you claim that two head leapard your bed and don mean male lover leotard keith issu truth consequ proposit argu irrelev issu consequ such and such true truth irrelev bill
alt.atheism	gospel date jim perri perri dsinc wrote bibl god that true atheism mistaken pretti obviou socrat god that true your monoth and atheism mistaken even socrat never exist jim you come late discuss part began benedikt question histor acuuraci make point that standard us valid secular histori that us discredit histori virtual noth centuri you that bibl cannot true speak exist god fact your object noth histori anoth statement atheism bill
alt.atheism	not omni charlei wingat mango umd edu wrote enlighten omnipot contradictori definit that can occur univers govern rule natur god cannot break that god allow rule omnipot cannot exist contradict rule natur omnipot god can chang rule you definit exactli defin not omnipot you that rule natur pre exist that not defin natur that you mean hear your thought question bill
alt.atheism	knew prudenti juncol juniata edu wrote arriv home joseph advantag mari had speak word thi couldn mari highli religi follow that decid hei that god impregn will trustworthi and honor soul believ and jesu child born violenc dave can you explain purpos your post can imagin you thougt meant bill
alt.atheism	allah akbar and prais lord maddi hausmann madhau netcom wrote and lord that bill connor return set straight can die happi lexu wipe that rain slick curv rest you had straighten your time even limit you flu maddi you you glad visit won stai long thi time shop bill
alt.atheism	dear theist pixi andi bgsu edu wrote for problem technolog caus your type made thing even wors remind inquisit oper rescu klux klan poss comitatu club david duke salem witch trial crusad gai bash etc virtual each and singl war level technolog had theistic organ cheer carnag chaplain etc and claim that god favor ordeal don forget prai for troop thi tediou bad thing that happen malefactor influenc religion that pretti gener opinion want that atheist not that dishonest stick fact and accomplish that interpret correctli bill
alt.atheism	moral constant biblic rape jim perri perri dsinc wrote xenophobia facto and jure implement legal system widespread bibl not egalitarian specif preach kind stranger and emphas book ruth that foreign can join nation and give rise great hero nation altern american strike strang thi stori that even consid issu jim coupl thing your post and thi thread that confus atheist for thing can understood process natur exclus for recours divniti describ explain purpos direct for event requir physic chemistri biologi etc random noth determnin thi includ human intellig and product noth requir that life evolv that acquir intellig happi accid for atheist event can prefer anoth anoth naturalist sens and thought event can product intellig acquir environ teach train observ and experi and signific individu mind resid mental process and imag produc for electr activ and noth content consequ human mind respons natur forc water run hill can atheist judg basi for critic valu ennumer bibl purpos imput god ground can behavior reliogi condemn that judg valu that motiv action you standard conduct measur natur can serv that purpos law natur can you invok establish your valu sinc event and exclus physic event differ possibl make religi can mean gradat atheist can object behaviour admit that object subject and that doesn that judgement prefac disclaim that noth matter person opinion and carri weight absolut sens that you don god told peopl noth god god command that electr event your nervou system that creat emot state that your mind coupl pre exist thought set form that reaction that your object found due you condit truth content your intellectu landscap illus virtual realiti didn make rule inher naturalist atheism and consist you accept signific human thought even your thi you exclud discuss valu wrong goood evil etc and cannot particip your opinion bibl can weight whatsoev bill
alt.atheism	bill conner you explain thi pertain thi posit statement type practic and you name you thi relat and bill
alt.atheism	islam dress code for women dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write delet peopl religion and that thi not exactli come peopl religion noth exist perspect religion perhap can that tend converg truth point that lot harm meantim and that converg counterfactu religion split and diverg even true religion core layer determin happen practis and quit inhuman you post suppos answer don will repeat religion harm peopl and religion don converg split give disagre and lot disagr toler toler ideolog split give disagre and lead intoler you oppos ideolog don your argument argument religion point weak human natur big delet women soul islam peopl that muslim that women not soul admit never heard such view held muslim era heard christian era hold thi viewpoint not muslim you you not confus christian histori islam histori suppos predomin view turkish caliph refer you for thi new that women spiritu equal men can shown vers qur for exampl qur for muslim men and women for believ men and women for devout men and women for true men and women for men and women patient and constant for men and women humbl for men and women give chariti for men and women fast and deni for men and women guard chastiti and for men and women engag god prais for god prepar forgiv and great reward qur abdullah yusuf ali translat quot quot show that men and women spiritu equal and that women soul men not impli that soul not soul and not that quot high prioriti interpret approach qur intellig think approach qur cannot interpret vers and that women and men spiritu equal that vers impli that women soul make sens for soul forgiven great reward understood life usual answer case part for god prepar forgiv and great reward soul make sens that thing soul can forgiven idea soul for your that quot not high prioriti interpret think approach qur give vers qur equal prioriti that muslim belief qur revel god fact deni truth part qur suffici consid disbeliev islam quit similar you post even quran not encourag slaveri not justifi that iit forbid put end slaveri sequitur approach qur intellig and thought thi fashion that can understand quran messag book finit length cannot explicitli answer question you want put teach can guid you that women spiritu equal men and unambigu impli vers and that sinc women can forgiven and reward soul vers understand qur teach wai can misinterpret ignor thi passag that passag misinterpret qur base ignor thi vers that vers infinit interpret fulli consist limit discuss interpret consist text peopl can ignor thi bit that bit for that show peopl can twist islam for end not deni reflect true teach islam whatsoev fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	slaveri sex allow marriag apr ennew ea asu edu guncer enuxha ea asu edu selim guncer write you not bernard lewi write label zionist such discredit etc you misrepres selim hard evid for statement lack object present quit book orient edward edward christian not muslim pretti object treatment race and slaveri middl east sinc distinguish slaveri islam and practic slaveri countri prior civil war not conceal that vers quran promot liber slave doesn and don can deduc vers that slaveri will eventu abolish islam countri you conveni blame practic slaveri muslim fact fail relev claim lewi zionist wrote bernard lewi zionist polit motiv for give misrepresent and half truth islam read orient edward evid for fact post isn long encyclopaed inform can access that slaveri abolish date year muham that thi tension ottoman empir arab slave trader and govern etc asu librari volum british document slaveri report and document slaveri world can found check incid lewi mention don polit stanc documentari evid haven read lewi articl can comment directli and spoken write gener that polit motiv make bias writer islam anti islam polem understand quit subtl and base tell half truth read orient edward not ask you trust fact urg you not thi book book and check evid for issu rais that slave us for sexual purpos claim that islam prohibit extra marit sex wrote that prophet had concubin wrote incid prophet advis not want concubin pregnant etc contrari notion that sex for procreat word such claim baseless quran and hadith slaveri realiti oppos practic muslim oppos islam slave for sexual purpos necessarili oppos unsucces get you islam not advoc slaveri slaveri exist institut centuri advis slave freed for good deed etc noth cultur thi good thing problem can argu rightfulli that slave discourag think status polit quran reward good slave obei your master and perhap dai you free understand that not commun muslim sinc assum quran god and rule base system impos societi for preserv statu quo slave part thi system subordin women that function societi boil child make part thi system etc understand your point view selim not get you point you repeat answer women made post post thi subject show that islam not anti woman etc you complet ignor post miss repost good titl islam and women repost soc religion islam thi disappear your site email tell and will email you copi thi excel articl imho your understand issu women islam sadli defici slave post slaveri second made repost articl wrote earli last year base complet qur and contain numer qur anic vers and hadith support point view approach you argu histor standpoint and argu directli teach qur and hadith peopl muslim and perform action that automat mean that action part islam even oppos qur and sunnah not give you concret exampl clarifi thi for you qur prohibit drink person muslim and proce drink bottl beer thi mean that islam teach that peopl drink beer not and idiot you point natur that author author quran had idea that socio econom structur advoc experi two paradigm shift year western cultur end feudal era and rise commerc second industri revolut rule chang and statu quo driven muslim countri into miseri surviv heathen world muslim countri fail econom unabl accumul wealth directli due uncomprimis econom rule quran fact rise islam can easili model pyramid effect you not produc wealth home increas your wealth conquer place you judg islam capitalist term capit ideolog base larg assumpt that peopl want maximis wealth thi assumpt opposit islam teach islam bad not capitalist pretti unthink islam not pretend capitalist and not capitalist thi not mean that islam not support free market for gener part capit oppos islam understand thi stop you and left bare open for emperialist devour capit industri poor social servic educ level muslim countri lowest world health statist miser etc can postul numer reason for thi your theori that islam not secularist and capitalist etc etc selim will give you clear histor exampl show 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alt.atheism	nicknam articl apr zeu calpoli edu jmunch hertz ele calpoli edu john munch wrote mathew faq can rememb last name keith lie talli sig ryan kent finn tastic sandvick cindi popsicl toe kandolf jim face sig tim simon clip that theist clippendal umar reason khan rob argu strom dave buckminst fuller maddi never post hausmann hei affection nicknam for you wrongli spell surnam cheer kent sandvik sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost timmbak mcl ucsb edu bake timmon write atheism deni exist god thi logic bankrupt proof thi nonexist joke thi favorit fallaci point atheism belief that you can deni that you can prove doesn exist thi easili nail show that infinit number be conceiv not observ exist thi mean that poster object be that haven prove not exist stop god huge number be ident ronald reagan for trivial differ miss finger blond hair and live planet can reason atheist bring thi that christian vest interest unknown be except god fine peopl shoot foot and mock idea god classic atheist fallaci shoot foot radic muslim crusad inquisit common exampl that atheist bring mark religion weak fool can that drivel grand daddi human atroc stalinist movement twenti million peopl kill thi leadership proudli featur atheism big differ stalin didn that stood for moral posit murder and terror etc and opposit religi movement honest killer thi not support stalin attack thi viewpoint that atheism support murder and violenc man tyrant and atheist bad logic russian that help stalin that weren atheist don contradict your point your point assum that atheism relev murder peopl thi common assumpt that atheist can life theist you didn support agnost not funni reason sens funni that exist god unknow thi bit assumpt that atheism arrog and pompou and anoth point you didn faq atheist doesn hold posit view that god doesn exist exist posit belief exampl strong atheism god not exist posit belief weak atheism don god neg belief not that never thought idea god life technic atheist not kind that you call unreason thi set suppos that person huge set idea that will repres capit letter and peopl that idea exist real object not santa person not believ santa idea santa notic that even anoth idea thi mean you lot case christian god atheist strong atheist weak set agnost indetermin peopl afraid undecid anoth featur human natur undecid not sexi trendi glamor word not inspir hate conflict not blasphem not polit fact mean unsophist nietzsch onc that man will nonexist not will darwinist put thi that human prefer indecis not surviv trait evolut drill posit even fals bake timmon iii
alt.atheism	christian moral vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write articl jt new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write atheism base ignor ignor exist god don fall into atheist don pride mistak you base ignor couldn that wrong wrong fall into trap that you mention wrong god free time correct mistak that continu not supposedli proclaim undi love for etern soul speak volum volum that speak fact that leav your choic you for trap you not posit that don god not you can motiv you that earnestli search for god for year and never found agre that presumptu for side give psycholog reason for anoth belief mac bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu tax and spend cut billion dollar deficit
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alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost post thi wonder parodi peopl post read faq laugh for good minut part faq that weren mention two don thi wasn joke not readi hear that brendan
alt.atheism	moral constant biblic rape bill conner bil okcforum osrh edu wrote coupl thing your post and thi thread that confus atheist for thing can understood process natur exclus thi definit not includ atheist faq for invok divin spiritu explan make big differ claim that thing can understood natur process and claim that observ not requir postul divin intervent spiritu for that matter human not omnipot and scienc scienc advantag theologi doesn correct natur judg delight scientif inquiri reveal consist simpl pictur univers scienc longer bunch separ branch particl physic psycholog and aspect life univers safe stern and stoni ey not even conscious for recours divniti describ explain purpos direct for event requir physic chemistri biologi etc random noth determnin determin indetermin philosoph question and scienc cannot whether thing superdeterminist not question not mean individu human be appar free will illus not perspect bill can you for whether you free will not thi includ human intellig and product noth requir that life evolv that acquir intellig happi accid intellig histori earth speci control biospher thi can result numer happi accid genet machineri blindli replic and preserv even that machineri can result principl system that can start replic will surviv don don make recommend read for atheist event can prefer anoth anoth naturalist sens and thought event can perspect event and thing subject perspect natur not valu not perspect valu aris awar subject perspect easi assum that peopl and posit will eventu discov golden rule moral not necessarili gift heaven fact product evolut perhap awar ourselv sens ident help plai role and make respect ident bill you read aristotl ethica nikomakhea for starter can atheist judg basi for critic valu ennumer bibl purpos imput god ground can behavior reliogi condemn that judg valu that motiv action you standard conduct measur natur can serv that purpos law natur can you invok establish your valu lewi tell that thi argument main reason abandon atheism and christian argument sever flaw valu such golden rule can ration basi basic idea want live root brain wire lewi real possibl that natur select favour altruist behaviour and moral human evolv and build and tool kill each logic necess that evolut favour knew us tool not peopl bibl reveal quit nice that moral earli jew not thi simpl set rule hold peopl togeth god god not care peopl nation time thing quit jew rule empir and longer simpli ignor gentil situat requir moral and religion born mutat meme pool sinc event and exclus physic event differ possibl make religi can mean gradat atheist can object behaviour admit that object subject and that doesn that judgement prefac disclaim that noth matter person opinion and carri weight absolut sens you haven bother read philosophi whenev observ subject point view exist and happi even that result physic event and happi observ come absolut object sens that observ subject moral judgment lose mean not for simpli exist point view thi includ god valu person judgment not absolut truth sinc such truth not exist fact that peopl not deliber want hurt manifest fought for exist social be can and exist moral not properti human alon chimp dolphin and speci show great care for each dolphin sometim save human drown good deed that you don god told peopl noth god god command that electr event your nervou system that creat emot state that your mind coupl pre exist thought set form that reaction that your object found due you condit truth content your intellectu landscap illus virtual realiti last statement not logic follow fact reason thought can model realiti and sens can convei reliabl inform solips logic possibl not like you continu mix two view subject point view share and object point view not exist observ thinker person point view not matter whether thi point view result physic event not not ceas subject observ point view valu not exist pain pleasur beauti love such thing inher subject onc god wive submit husband even make leap faith into unknown punish don disagre moral not moral come suprem remov moral mean make zombi machin singl thought god gave moral judg disagre not fault free replac moral cannot point give moral system disagre and mad thi god schizophren thi you exclud discuss valu wrong goood evil etc and cannot particip your opinion bibl can weight whatsoev can opinion god for that matter cannot understand subject opinion thing made matter credibl opinion thing made bill note absolut valu independ includ god god subject viewpoint point view and moral petri petri pihko kem pmp mathemat truth pihati finou oulu physic rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistri game
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write refut noth simpli tell you childish propaganda and noth refut bcci not islam bank thi post noth islam bank tire thi infantil garbag simpli evalu such you flesh bit miss full grandeur content virtu blind atheism you difficulti light you your head your ass suggest make thi not case post time for your lesson debat gregg yeah begin includ text vice new tek uunet psinntp wrldlnk usenet sun apr pdt notic post thi topic soc religion islam and sinc topic bcci not islam bank come left mention bcci bank call bcci adapt koran rule bank thi bibliographi bennett neil bcci adapt koran rule bank time august gui write piec titl that impli case that thi you support posit you intend respect gregg question and even manag includ refer head firmli engag ass your excus thi support noth reason that thi piec anoth anti islam slander job respect for titl for real content can thi articl want true can you bcci not islam bank spend time respond propaganda respond thi sub thread don feel deep make statement effect that propaganda fals discuss issu glad real discuss provid refer etc gregg
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost timmbak mcl ucsb edu bake timmon write rule don mix appl orang can you that extermin mongol wors stalin khan conquer peopl unsympathet that atroci stalin kill million peopl love and worship and atheist state can wors that you and david koresh claim christian
alt.atheism	thought bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write niether lunat entir nation drawn crazi find encyclopedia volum hitler adolf had peopl german enamour moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourk clive come retract foreskin misconcept jame triniti colleg dublin and appli wire brush enlighten geoffm brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza
alt.atheism	pope jewish west cvill wam umd edu stilgar write pope jewish guess and thought that thing head fanci hat not jewish headpiec don rememb name clear clear mud that headpiec chort crl nmsu edu sourc newswir vatican home genet misfit michael gillow note geneticist reveal unusu data work undercov vatican for past year popehat advanc bone spur reveal gillow groundshak report gillow had secretli studi innermost work vatican sinc return vietnam wheel chair approach scientif commun theori late hat thing that cover vatican didn want cathol commun realiz leader heft kilogram extran bone tissu top skull note gillow report laboratori vatican that experi tissu transplant and bone marrow experi start genet fluke mid scientif engin and bred for bone transplant idea start mid sixti inspir doctor timothi leari transplant deer bone cell into small white rat gillow quick point assassin attempt pope john paul and disappear leari public ey becom time replac pope gillow pope and replac pope lock pad chamber butt head male yak fight for domin herd victor emerg and earn privileg insemin choir boi moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourk clive come retract foreskin misconcept jame triniti colleg dublin and appli wire brush enlighten geoffm brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza
alt.atheism	free moral agenc and jeff clark articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write delet you million suffer for adam and pretti sick creat univers gonna respond give small theologi lesson forgiv us theologi major that thi planet involv cosmic struggl great controversi betwe christ and satan borrow book titl god interest entir univers make decis delet univers creat can you tyrann creatur like your definit your god creat satan full knowledg happen includ choic satan can you explain free will and omnisci didn your god that happen even creat world concern tyrant care fine for that idea come possibl abus power your god introduc your descript you that you read faq part preach benedikt
alt.atheism	pope jewish articl apr wam umd edu west cvill wam umd edu stilgar write last night watch rebroadcast jerri springer talk show heard thi jewel thought year racist focu thi show kid and hatr for jewish religion and stuff delet interest and scari jew had kill god and end time that race homeland remain america jeruselem gen anoth kid rest race home and great battl plagu revel happen and jew kill interest thing thi that roomat cathol and had kjv bibl desk immediatli open and began search for quot passag gen rev and john for and couldn find don thi show back and heard kid quot bibl justifi racist claim look that quot jesu hate jew sinc jesu jew curious had piqu such claim jist passag and can recal passag exactli that jesu condemn pharise for corrupt pharise jewish wasn jew that jesu condemn power that nanci connor psycholog undergrad opinion express simon fraser univers burnabi canada
alt.atheism	silli question tianiti werdna cco caltech edu andrew tong write mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough write question thi attitud god charact egotist and proud christian tell peopl humbl deal god pretti egotist and proud mean creat you doesn proud such job peopl don proud accomplish that can match god accomplish abil compar god imbecil worm earth quot pascal grumblegrumbl you god and you creat univers wouldn you irk organ cell globul tini planet start think great and awesom you logic fall apart quick perfect insult threaten action lesser creatur offspr shuold power perfect feel proud offend capabl awar relationship aspect particl univers moment time simultan understand action cell globul each tnii planet that kinda odd that god care earth bad exampl amaz fact that care appar and that will make grand sacrific ensur happi power owner univers make great sacrific make great headlin doesn make sens sacrific that couldn back gave give chri you gui fun agoin kei west
alt.atheism	don beleiv you articl apr antioc antioch edu smauldin antioc antioch edu write stop believ you long invent technolog god ahhh back alt autoth you belong brian
alt.atheism	genocid caus theism evid articl qid fct horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write don special theism gener that make hazard stupid anarchi patriot depend religion noth believ god that and entail even promot xenophobia genocid etc emphasi gener you correct sinc you haven restrict observ practic religion lot exampl god mandat genocid canaanit point that you god and you order you elimin entir race you will like make attempt past sure present bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	free moral agenc and jeff clark articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write thi reason controversi post modern issu polar evil and good artifici construct and fall apart closer inspect into notion constant struggl evil and good forc sound metaphor that peopl assum closer inspect info not expos idea bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl apr new wesleyan edu ssauyet eagl wesleyan edu scott sauyet write qabe innaff gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu write chimpanze fight war land chimp almost human keith thi last messag schneider and dai final word and find that that final christian leari atheist spokesman clandestin and that had remov keith busi explain fellow captiv isn persecut sinc feed and resist part view troubl make understand make bit fuss tatoo god trust forehead bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	member articl hiew portal videocart dfuller portal videocart dave fuller write start read thi group todai and larg particip daili post like section faq construct logic argument atheist not turn peopl into atheist figur peopl don care view come wrong will admit possibl religi follow dont capabl aboard notic alot post bobbi respond post fall back argument you answer your question religion will bad event explain human name religion not mean that religion will point ideal and that wasn can reason for event argu bother you upset answer blind and not support factual will win time argument don will post direct respons respons post that spout fact that atheist fool evil for not peachi islam leav pro con argument islam fred rice level head and subject happi aboard you you abord dave fuller dfuller portal videocart brian
alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl hous helio hous helio usq edu ron hous write marshal csugrad edu kevin marshal write healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write you yeah didn god destroi bud point million ag suffer life answer that satan made claim that god god allow satan chanc prove that god that brought come god allow wish individu superced billion doubt read bibl twice never impress that god and satan work sort cooper arrang read book job that bet brian
alt.atheism	thought sold sign brian book charl manson lord lunat liar
alt.atheism	thought bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write reason wouldn liar follow die for lie wouldn peopl liar peopl gather and gather hear had heal call fool heal peopl di for run risk dy for lie for peopl liar had grifter and charlatan sinc begin civil david copperfield had messiah bet found plenti believ jesu claim faith healer and wasn wit set apart niether lunat entir nation drawn crazi doubt fact redicul for exampl drawn david koresh fool logic peopl thi rubbish nation crazi liar psychopath and megalomaniac histori hitler tojo mussolini khomeini qadaffi stalin papa doc and nixon come mind thi centuri koresh issu sinc wasn liar lunat real thing discret mathemat formal logic flaw your logic and will you read faq thing note fulfil load propheci psalm isaiah and hr alon thi betray and crucifixion don bibl thi moment time write will us you bibl written bibl not mean true and ag that tome lack extern support evid make credibl you quot bibl futur back that quot support evid you will flame mercilessli don peopl understand christian not lot church life and total sacrafic for god sake love die and save hei can god inspir turn live that tuff and peopl don want real christian for strong persever weight lift guitar plai drum take time don rush dai christian your life not church onc week help poor peopl onc box into time unit such work thi time sport social life god box and carri into box that creat for ourselv weight lift guitar plai don you defin world total imagin total sacrafic for god sake involv time commit you correct tendenc box into time unit you explain involov god sport and heheh televis kevin marshal comput scienc depart virginia tech marshal csugrad edu blacksburg virginia
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write wait you that human rare reason doesn that contradict atheism explain logic and reason thi contradict atheism that prove fals bobbi mozumd prove exist allah bobbi post don men women islam countri atheist kill femal children person favorit sami aario can you measur atom you can explod tut sunlight compris atom your stupid mind stupid stupid ero plan outer space disclaim don agre ero
alt.atheism	thought you read faq read faq you wouldn post such drivel lord liar lunat argument fals trilemma even you disprov liar and lunat you haven you not elimin possibl such mistaken misdirect misunderstood you arbitrarili set and possibl read good book rhetor and critic think you lord liar lunat discuss exampl good argument you learn read faq construct logic argument ignor instruct your peril disobei leav you open for righteou flame maddi hausmann madhau netcom centigram commun corp san jose california kid don thi home rememb post profession
alt.atheism	slaveri sex allow marriag thi sound nice help each and smile and fluffi bunni wake peopl not that evid histori that societi succeed had reli goodwil and unselfish peopl isn obviou place iran that even greedi peopl societi attract posit power sound recip for disast histor evid such perfect utopian islam state didn surviv agre peopl peopl and even you start islam revolut and creat thi perfect state take time and intern corrupt will destroi ground rule cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	slaveri sex allow marriag articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice wrote basi appar success islam bank that statement that interest economi cannot surviv todai world bit prematur intest econom system surviv small scale op not islam invent and oper work world such system don stand corrupt larg scale oper noth handl human greed imho not even allah cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	member articl hiew portal videocart dfuller portal videocart dave fuller wrote event explain human name religion not mean that religion will point ideal and that wasn can reason for event argu bother you upset answer blind and not support factual will win time argument don will post direct respons hei glad and construct contributor thi newsgroup agre statement you argu bobbi for eon and not thing spare your mental resourc discuss interest issu cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism articl qjfnv ogt horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer wrote term hero worship mean you worship jesu super saver hero worship grand scale worship lenin that will make life pleasant for work peopl similar understand that god defin supernatur not superhuman notion lenin borderlin supernatur insight into chang world wasn communist god man gave present kid christma agre thing rel and you can direct map movement and notion that communist russia somewhat typic atheist countri that robertson tilton rest atheist not true unbeliev huh don fanat cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	thought articl bissda saturn wwc edu bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel wrote want start and that christian make sens you read toni campollo book liar lunat real thing titl write book part effort destroi christian process christian didn understand realiti liar lunat real thing narrow view possibl jesu messag sigh religion make your mind brain filter that not fit into your person scheme that think possibl jesu bound classic lewi notion liar lunat saint bound becom christian cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism articl qjf horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl qimb fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl qif horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl qialf fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write forget origin quot gotta us word talk you atheist lack belief god plausibl that atheist dig lenin lennon such extent that consid worship and atheist newspeak question you regard ardent nazi republican simpli germani longer had kaiser that base fals dichotomi option you present and that point you can simpli divid world into atheist and atheist basi god belief you care belief supernatur deiti and noth behaviour belief supernatur your criterion onc you start talk behaviour suscept ibil led bad peopl into bad thing you assum worri and that area you care whether sceptic critic and autonom hand gullibl excit and easili led that tendenc worship tyrant and ideolog that person easili led whether worship belief supernatur hero earthli besid point jon
alt.atheism	thought articl edm apr gocart twisto compaq edm twisto compaq mccreari write thu apr gmt bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel dlb want start and that christian dlb make sens you read toni campollo book liar dlb lunat real thing titl dlb write book part effort destroi christian dlb process christian friendli folk christian central come save you
alt.atheism	islam genocid articl qjipo pen horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl qinmd fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write rate even your interpret correct thi not impli that kill relig motiv origin poster claim tricki tricki repli your blanket claim that not religi motiv aren irish cathol south not kill irish protest south precis histori kill relig motiv ignor obviou matter british occup partit and misguid patriot side fals dichotomi you claim kill not religi motiv and that wrong not that each and kill religi motiv spell detail problem fault religi divid histor root thi thing cathol countri partit and popul protest grotesqu kill soldier and civilian supposedli motiv patriot civil right issu and reveng difficult understand insofara insan hard understand religion not invok explain contradict thi paragraph claim that kill not relig motiv grotesqu that mean that church and believ histori can face rewrit you attack claim claim that ira terrorist plant bomb warrington not motiv greater glori god frank put quot your word your post horu mchp sni don that claim you can longer stand your origin claim jon
alt.atheism	don beleiv you articl apr antioc antioch edu smauldin antioc antioch edu write stop believ you long invent technolog god don listen thi gui crank thi busi true god toler rest complet hand isn bad peopl stop believ you relax mortal aren beg you for favor zeu
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write state that that green marbl close box never evid for exist guilti deceit even fact green marbl insid question whether not green marbl insid irrelev you ahead and plai your marbl love love love fit that into sig file keep list bobbi quot includ thi state unproven opinion fact deceit and knowingli deciet falsehood and lie you unproven opinion fact you opinion you not accept flat earther state that earth flat fact don accept thi unproven opinion and round earther evid flat earther can prove that god doesn exist argument us support god exist weak and contradictori and not god come and reason god that absolut can ignor ago read interest book fellow call von daenicken prove wildest thing and last page wrote can you prove isn can not base proof question stuff such myth call circumstanci evid atheism hasn made kill and regard quit agreeabl fellow sami aario can you measur atom you can explod tut sunlight compris atom your stupid mind stupid stupid ero plan outer space disclaim don agre ero
alt.atheism	islam author sic women kmr cwru edu keith ryan kmr cwru edu rush leland stanford edu apr leland stanford edu reader join thi gui for real simpli amaz sadli don loos sleep zlumber fun basic harmless you don work citi don find hard that ol zlumber believ hate and ignor prattl write frighten thought peopl even wors that femin equal superior men laughabl long doesn proce pick rifl and start shoot women preemptiv strike aka canada slaughter that occur year ago men kill women noth islam fundamentalist excus ran vancouv sun thursdai octob john davidson canadian press montreal perhap letter year daughter that shock hope dai you will understand happen your parent wrote patrick prevost love your mother passion that hatr polic found piec paper prevost bodi apart northeast montreal year mechan commit suicid kill wife jocelyn parent coupl had separ for month and woman had apart talk get monei for food violent quarrel broke and prevost attack wife kitchen knife cut throat polic latest women slain husband lover quebec last week children slain result domest battl last year quebec alon women slain husband that such case across canada statist canadian centr for justic rest articl ommit that women stai home and rais child laughabl women tradition hard labor support famili men cultur histori take two adult rais child and that stai home maximu
alt.atheism	femin and islam articl apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write articl apr eagl wesleyan edu kmagnacca eagl wesleyan edu write that hadith state that silenc mean and that women not speak judg conduct marriag actaulli that fals hadith contradict vers quran that women testifi speak judg hadith declar fals contradict quran hadith weren written revel life prophet and error you can fals hadith true contradict quran relat that isn explicitli spell quran quran wasn written life muham wasn long year long shift vers karl lastli come china hope you touch and you fulfil lifelong ambit your life will drop acid great wall duke pink floyd lie lie even billion peopl
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl apr abo mandtbacka finabo abo mat andtbacka write qie fkt horu mchp sni frank write articl ursa bear halat pooh bear jim halat write peopl not word object mean put word moral assum idiom and cannot defin separ term give object moral moral built object valu and object valu specif and importantli motiv wild guess and freedom object valuabl base thi assumpt that world depriv utterli freedom that act contrari volit almost want complain that assert that freedom not valuabl almost can that bit absurd assert not rain raini dai thi candid for object and condit for object moral that object valu such thi exist frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi anecdot islam articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write articl nrl navi mil khan itd itd nrl navi mil umar khan write borrow book librari khomeini fatwa etc found thi passag legitimaci fatwa common knowledg prescrib islam law that sentenc applic jurisdict islam law appli sentenc pass islam court and execut state machineri due process law even islam countri alon muslim land individu cannot law into hand sentenc pass carri state usual machineri and not individu becom crimin act law into hand and punish offend process defenc offend brought notic court and court shoud decid deal thi law appli equal muslim muslim territori agre fulli statement and precis meant previou statement islam not anarchist and law not enforc despit law applic such clarif ulama islam scholar muslim britain and imam khomeini fatwa made clear that sinc islam law not applic britain hadd compulsori punish cannot appli disagre thi conclus applic islam law muslim wherev conclus not strictli follow forego conclus that fatwa cannot enforc islam law agre that punish cannot appli rushdi even found wow that islam viewpoint khomeini fatwa constitut crimin act perhap even limb and call khomeini crimin thi basi put price head rushdi britain crimin act islam law understood knowledg muslim that khomeini fatwa islam illegitim basi expound such and post umar khan and gregg jaeger and that even punish constitut fatwa islam law understand gregg
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice wrote understand that gener agre ulema islam scholar that islam law appli islam countri not law into hand crimin act matter for state not for individu nevertheless khomeini offer cash prize for peopl law into hand understand islam law thi understand major islam law legal rule school law sunni and jaffari can level muslim muslim and dar islam not apostasi accompani activ persist and open hostil islam fall into thi categori law that histor apostasi rare punish alon death penalti understand that khomeini rule not base law apostasi alon that rushdi apost long wrote offend and preced qur hadith islam histori for indiscriminantli level death penalti for apostasi charg level rushdi that fasad thi rule appli and domain islam state and can carri individu reward not offer khomeini individu iran stuff delet you muddi issu you assum that khomeini fatwa issu due distribut book understand that khomeini fatwa issu respons write and publish book view correct your viewpoint that rushdi sentenc for crime progress incorrect concur that thrust fatwa rememb level author and assist public book charg fasad can encompass number lesser charg rememb that diplomat relat broke britain and iran fatwa iran stress that condemn author and remov book circul two preliminari condit for resolv crisi you correct point that ban book not main thrust fatwa islam charg such fasad level peopl not book rushdi situat iran for month issuanc fatwa rushdi media blitz present lone knight guard sacr valu secular democraci and mock foolish concern peopl crazi hold religi belief sacr fan flame and milk controversi boost imag and push book media muslim demonstr countri kill protest book rushdi appear momentarili concern climb back media hors onc attack muslim and defend sacr right thi point that fatwa fasad issu fatwa level person rushdi action rushdi that feed situat contribut legitim rule book remain circul not independ will will author and publish fatwa person rushdi encompass action crime crime progress level and plai and plai full view media not thi charg shatim appli rushdi and encompass umbrella fasad rule
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law twelv imam consid incap error sin khomeini support thi view twelv iman thi heresi for reason gave happi discuss issu imam you prefer move discuss anoth newsgroup feel philosophi religion group topic deepli embed world view islam and esoter teach prophet heresi not enter into for islam exoter religion that nomin concern metaphys substanc man and natur good introductori book fact introductori book islam gener murtaza mutahhari fundament islam thought god man and univers mizan press translat campbel beauti book follow book you can find decent translat wilaya station master author titl master and mastership small book transcript lectur author introduct beauti psalm islam translat william chittick muhammadi trust great britain excel introduct subject book univers librari imagin stock univers librari will your post you fairli vers sunni thought you seek shi it thought knowledg shi it author that respect due charg heresi level salaam laikum
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism articl qif horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl qialf fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl egl horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write stuff delet newsgroup larg thi for deal recognis that happen communist russia bear valid atheism do sundri theist valid theism that zip nada fallaci hominem and holi faq book construct logic argument apart not make lot sens thi wrong atheist creed that taught communist name atheism theistic creed and instruct act for theist madli conflict anoth that anoth issu lack instruct act evil that that sinc mathemat includ instruct act evil atheism not moral system speak instruct act atheism simpli lack belief god plenti theist argu case for atheism didn ussr valid theism genocid that valid argument that theist system genocid can made convincingli argument that atheism genocid thi theist system instruct act and can shown genocid sinc atheist set instruct null set can you show that atheism genocid david chowel davec silicon csci csusb edu score thousand human insect readi moment notic reveal will god subject georg bernard shaw score thousand human insect readi moment notic reveal will god subject georg bernard shaw
alt.atheism	nonexist atheist articl bskendigc jcwx jzn netcom bskendig netcom brian kendig write quot delet peopl idea mean atheist bobbi mozumd clone world thought that explain thing post soc religion islam attach quot bobbi effect that atheist ly evil scum and ask commonli held idea muslim respons ask unknown guess karl lastli come china hope you touch and you fulfil lifelong ambit your life will drop acid great wall duke pink floyd lie lie even billion peopl
alt.atheism	thought articl bissda saturn wwc edu bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write appear that walla walla colleg will fill role alt atheist that allegheni colleg fill alt fan dan quayl want start and that christian make sens you read toni campollo book liar lunat real thing titl write book part effort destroi christian process christian convert xtianiti thi tendenc excess darken pre xtian past frequent fals embark effort destroi xtianiti suffer deep megalomania defect not cure religi convers arguement sum book whether jesu god not you don listen perspect for gain listen perspect perspect bwahahahahahahahah book that jesu liar crazi modern dai koresh sigh perhap big mistaken claim perhap insight had dai perhap statement attribut jesu not made put into mouth author possibl abound sure examin thi question come decent list altern task not examin question destroi xtianiti religi salesmanship reason wouldn liar follow die for lie german di for nazism russian di name proletarian dictatorship american di make world safe for democraci silli question wouldn peopl liar peopl gather and gather hear had heal call fool heal peopl perform heal god niether lunat entir nation drawn crazi hard draw entir nation you you crazi doubt fact redicul for exampl drawn david koresh fool logic peopl thi sinc wasn liar lunat real thing convinc thi laughabl logic deserv xtian thing note fulfil load propheci psalm isaiah and hr alon thi betray and crucifixion don bibl thi moment time write will us don bother propheci fulfil ey xtian apologist distort mean isaiah and book
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism delet apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write don you can imagin infinit infin mathemat concept creat human explain thing don appli realiti don world infinit wouldn comprehend realiti for programm that requir infinit memori realiti continu and base infiniet small unit unit you don univers continu continuum anoth mathemat concept base infin us explain thing human not infinit call number call endless not pretti good idea infin man made concept and man made concept evolv time ancient greek had understand can call allah infinit power knowledg etc cannot imagin allah cannot imagin infinit precic don even infin appli realiti sami aario can you measur atom you can explod tut sunlight compris atom your stupid mind stupid stupid ero plan outer space disclaim don agre ero
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write articl fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write you amaz that find difficult grasp peopl justifi death threat rushdi claim born muslim thi empti rhetor amaz your inabl understand not that you find difficult grasp peopl justifi death threat find amaz that your abil abstract question isol you falsiti principl consequ abus you hate physic you closer you imagin despis live soviet regim purport organ societi fondli imagin object conclus marxist dialect don hate physic long clown doesn start control life assumpt that interchang atom individu human be jon
alt.atheism	satan articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write jeff west write you claim that peopl that time translat bibl time coupl gener you ampl proof agre that version step modern translat that peopl time copi text correctli translat present complet issu read paper that qumram text had version text misunderstand jon
alt.atheism	note bobbi apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write insult atheist genocid total unintent atheism can happen good bad includ genocid and you thi you conveni defin theist can wrong and you defin peopl wrong atheist statement circular not mention bigot and such sami aario can you measur atom you can explod tut sunlight compris atom your stupid mind stupid stupid ero plan outer space disclaim don agre ero
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi anecdot islam articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice wrote articl nrl navi mil khan itd itd nrl navi mil umar khan write stuff delet demand for khomeini and ilk publicli come clean and show proof that islam law punish apostaci death that toler similar form covers freedom conscienc school law knowledg support death sentenc for apostasi accompani open persist and aggrav hostil islam agre legal support for punish disbelief qur make clear that belief matter conscienc public privat disavow islam convers anoth faith not punish jurist thi trend and insist that apostasi punish even death histor except curs and insult prophet fall categori shatim borrow book librari khomeini fatwa etc lot stuff delet and analysi khomeini offer reward for rushdi death fact constitut crimin act islam law post rushdi islam law
alt.atheism	slaveri sex allow marriag articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write histor evid such perfect utopian islam state didn surviv agre peopl peopl and even you start islam revolut and creat thi perfect state take time and intern corrupt will destroi ground rule noth perfect noth perpetu even perfect isn stai that forev perpetu machin cannot exist thought that law mechan thermodynam state that not atheist naren bala softwar evalu engin home work standard disclaim appli
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl apr new wesleyan edu ssauyet eagl wesleyan edu scott sauyet final word and find that that final your finger cross finger cross doubt martin schult
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl qkq horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write wild guess and freedom object valuabl base thi assumpt that world depriv utterli freedom that act contrari volit almost want complain that assert that freedom not valuabl almost can that bit absurd assert not rain raini dai thi candid for object and condit for object moral that object valu such thi exist person and highli subject opinion that freedom good thing peopl assert that true freedom word thi and that messiah realis that peopl don even agre mean word mean that word repres object word object mean jon
alt.atheism	articl innf senat bedfellow mit edu tcbruno athena mit edu tom bruno write wow leav your termin for month and you rememb depress familiar face count bob and kent don recogn heard graham matthew recent degre and sail for greener pastur bring point post peopl alt atheism sinc damnedest stai top newsgroup you fall you fall not bad rec art startrek us digress delug inquir mind want track infam poster alt atheism end onc leav newsgroup curiou guess cheer tom bruno peopl willl unlimit store unfound respect for peopl newsgroup mail list longer you sympathi tom semi regularli post toughto sinc thi februari read and thread sinc last august school newsread for month and incompet comput servic never bother find feed site wasn accept outgo post don track poster that love and leav internet for you regard adam john cooper verili laugh weakl thought good simpli acoop macalstr edu had claw
alt.atheism	thought articl bissda saturn wwc edu bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write want start and that christian that rest come make sens you read toni campollo book liar lunat real thing titl write book part effort destroi christian process christian thi isn gui lawyer you give info thi gui never mind will plenti respons thi post and will arguement sum book whether jesu god not you don listen perspect for gain listen thi true make true for case book that jesu liar crazi not modern dai koresh reason wouldn liar follow die for lie wouldn peopl liar not die for lie you poverti stricken and alunat sound perfecetli reasoabl whether societ dreg had for follow liar not not necessarili even di for believ thi make complet selfish differ peopl gather and gather hear had heal call fool heal peopl histor proof thi earlier thread name death make for heal gave niether lunat entir nation drawn crazi sieg heil doubt fact redicul for exampl drawn david koresh fool logic peopl thi david koresh curiou sinc wasn liar lunat real thing thi follow your definit lunat and disproof thereof uhhh shaki thing note fulfil load propheci psalm isaiah and hr alon thi betray and crucifixion don bibl thi moment time write will us good idea don peopl understand christian not lot church natur not true christian life and total sacrafic for god sake love die and save hei can god inspir turn live that tuff and peopl don want real christian for strong persever weight lift guitar plai drum take time don rush dai christian your life not church onc week help poor peopl onc box into time unit such work thi time sport social life god box and carri into box that creat for ourselv handl thi don worth sigh adam john cooper verili laugh weakl thought good simpli acoop macalstr edu had claw
alt.atheism	thought christian articl apr nuscc nu cmtan iss nu tan chade meng dan write sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write articl cva uxa ecn bgu edu gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola wrote christian infecti cult reason flourish peopl hope driven purpos life safeti blank hide wow follow thi christian moral standard and etern happi agre that case primit emot feel base haha you won laugh hell mental make religion attract for person agre make small point xtianiti dogmat religion not attract peopl hope etc attract averag peopl that xtainiti escapist doctrin absolutist attitud great psycholog shelter dai dai frustrat unhappi fear uncertainti unknown etc thi good point averag peopl not christian fear escap quit simpli improv social life involv american cultur kid immigr for exampl sinc overwhelm major religion western world form simpli choic peopl bore and want live not somethong ordinari weak long doesn hurt buddha had attract religion driven fear man worship sacr mountain sacr stone and sacr tree buddha find peac religion good quot and agre make alter scond that includ long not prevent find peac that suppos peac for inflict evangel person feel that sinc religion such pow psycholog effect theist problem that religion enorm harm believ and human holi war inquisit inter religi hatr imped scienc intellectu progress attitud etc etc don can comment thing will live live popular come and rememb enter high school atheist had and friend thi time convert christian immigr taiwan son immigr earlier gross gener christian lot popular peopl sinc notic percept that chagn for perfectli will live and live long set abstract right agreement treat each desir hurt notion for put argument thi usenet never good argument not appli christian even atheist simpli step person take natur almost instinct regard adam john cooper verili laugh weakl thought good simpli acoop macalstr edu had claw unenlighten buddhism characterist tan chade meng expect cosmic religion for futur singapor transcend person god avoid dogma and theologi cmtan iss nu cover natur spiritu and base religi sens aspir experi thing natur and spiritu meaning uniti einstein
alt.atheism	your post provok into check save file for memor post captur ken arromde feb subject atheist that articl your question articl averag articl dai for last year note current post rate such that kill file depress larg post save earli dai articl notabl loren sunlight llnl gov loren petrich jchrist nazareth israel rel jesu christ nazareth mrc tomobiki cho cac washington edu mark crispin perri apollo jim perri lippard uavax ccit arizona edu jame lippard minski media mit edu marvin minski interest bunch geoff arnold nf architect sun select geoff arnold east sun made thing great lie gui two thousand year ago wine tear garden
alt.atheism	polit atheist kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write that you confus word object and inher and object system simpli observ postul system perfectli judg situat action consist system not wrong you object goal system not inher that you want defin object system postul determin observ don that thi good definit object system you learn english graviti object system can learn and perform experi will result person perform experi graviti inher system you don excess inform observ determin object determin guilt innoc inher system agre that moral not necessarili inher you state that evolutionari basi thi not mean that cannot object theori thi natur moral not object system evidenc your comment lion and mine perhap can object not inher note practic relat mate ritual etc anim like consid immor previou definit natur law revis order sinc class activ surround mate pose gener problem and fact that postul determin outsid sort higher truth sort god not that god for object system that you you seen that you object notion object system perhap you that impli inher necessit sort grand design classifi behavior anim line moral system for anim commit act rule ethic don perhap not intellig immor and perhap you defin moral system code ethic basic defin undesir behavior etc immor behavior unwant unproduct destruct etc depend goal system that immor end keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write natur moral specif thought code ethic that speci develop order surviv wait talk ethic moral distinct import thi countless time anim kingdom and such natur system basi for system huh moral system mimic natur number wai order for human thrive live group your problem wrong highlight word don wrong for human surviv for long time wild difficult human social anim and that success and order for group function effect sort ethic code thi statement not correct isn don you and point that speci conduct serv propog not give you your tautolog show that such exampl moral system goal propog speci goal natur system moral live monagam relationship not moral order ensur propog speci man impregn women note earlier lack mate such abstin homosexu isn destruct system worst neutral for that matter herd hors domin stallion mate di kill domin stallion mate case your natur system moral shoot figur foot mate practic reexamin keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist kmr cwru edu keith ryan write chimp almost human thi mean that chimp moral will chimp system live social group law dictat undesir behavior keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write you explain sudden violent behavior human be your theori state that human detach primit behavior violent and moralist human becom correct understand wrong you thi bifurc point madman kill peopl roof campu you explain your theori explain such situat madmen mad explain output broken comput not keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write show that exampl and provid not counter exampl your suppos inher moral hypothesi you successfulli argu that domest remov alter thi moral that domest will chang behavior larg degre domest anim exhibit behavior not found wild don that can view good repres wild anim kingdom sinc bred for thousand year produc behavior etc keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist mmwang adob michael wang write type o definit you will note read punish inanim object incap show merci you can not that merciless punish cruel you miss stuff paren you read definit transf transfer sens and fig figur thing can cruel sampl text definit includ not thy cruell nail pluck poor ey and puni man centr cruel and frown univers nail can cruel imagin nail your ey pain thi not impli that painless death cruel you suppos show keith
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral sfnntrc wbo lruk andrew cmu edu david sacco dsav andrew cmu edu write ton mail move thi discuss alt religion mac feel that life joke bob dylan you happi dai your life you wouldn human you game show host movi heather lectur lek chur process note professor becom note student pass mind michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu tax and spend cut billion dollar deficit
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral qjahh mr horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl pww spac rice edu pww spacsun rice edu peter walker write articl qie fkt horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer wrote object moral moral built object valu object valu come can measur mediat thair interact real world moralon scalar valuino field scienc real world basi valu not round you such thing object scienc can not object kick head simpl theori accur predict not object set tarot card you conclus don and exist place assum object realiti doesn frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon measur truth beauti good love friendship trust honesti etc thing basi object fact aren limit true can that can exampl instanc reason cannot measur reason that semant mac michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu tax and spend cut billion dollar deficit
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write articl horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write good logic bad good scienc bad definit great good bad horribl wors good defin bad come thi setup thi subject peopl agre switch order isn thi defin unknown thing anoth that good that bad and bad that wors good circular mac sun start orbit earth will accept bibl michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu tax and spend cut billion dollar deficit
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral lsran inn exodu eng sun emarsh hern sun eng sun eric marsh write articl hqxj jdg cso uiuc edu li cso uiuc edu li student write hmmmm defin object moral depend you talk mean you can your hair your ear and mean stryper accept that gener principl object moral list two place ten command sai jesu depend whether you trust bibl second depend whether you jesu god and whether you accur copi gong moment and you wrote you defin object moral and you qualifi thi object moral subject justif you error thi you disqualifi plai mac eric huh explain problem base moral that wrong gosh heck lot stuff that that wrong and that come sourc that wrong you base your belief atheism your knowledg and reason couldn that wrong mac michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu tax and spend cut billion dollar deficit
alt.atheism	islam genocid pick yugoslavia and problem caus commun doesn matter guess religi leader call for end that can religi motiv thi despit fact that christian carv cross dead muslim chest want land want cross carv accident don suspici like tragic situat bosnia combin ethnic and religi motiv religion attribut that separ group each agre that sad saga bosnia terribl exampl case religion not help us weapon human and sympathi bosnian side serb oppressor will us even christian weapon friend cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	death penalti polit atheist death penalti conceiv deterr crime legal shenanigan that ad automat appeal lengthi court battl etc releg that purpos small part question instat death penalti meant and that deter crime rid doubt death penalti suppos deterr crime doesn crime carri death penalti that effict wouldn death penalti punish fine for speed punish murder mind doesn care consequ anoth problem that peopl dont will caught want kill anoth person wouldn care penalti didn caught strictli deterr line tortur dave fuller dfuller portal videocart
alt.atheism	thought christian cmtan iss nu tan chade meng dan write person feel that sinc religion such pow psycholog effect theist problem that religion enorm harm believ and human holi war inquisit inter religi hatr imped scienc intellectu progress attitud etc etc don can comment held that attempt chang person attitud lifestyl long make happi and not tax thi for atheist you don atheist knock your door stop you airport hand literatur social event theist that thier form happi work for and make sister born and real thorn side for entir famili for year final clue that couldn that period bought atheist xtian book for birthdai and xma time birthdai card vers problem told mom that send sister atheist piec read materi don you dare mom wasn religi insist that not send societi driven into that religion preach religion contain crock shit final told sister that didn find life attract exactli effort convert sinc sick religi type pamper look for and worst respect atheist end sight dave fuller dfuller portal videocart
alt.atheism	bibl quiz kmr cwru edu keith ryan write you mind mail question pair answer love for time theist come door thi you post answer kei nanci you and author thi quot send email andrew cmu edu coward for minut dead for rest your life
alt.atheism	bibl thing interest alt athiesm fact that bibl thumper and ilk thi duller newsgroup almost delud mass write silli thing for athiest tear apart that tidbit want write can such document bibl you want religi aren plausabl book bibl written multipl author repeatedli contradict each minut tell you kill your kid talk back and not kill that xtian want follow deiti pick that can consist unlik last invent for peopl jesu son god didn god not put you that didn god not make symbol idol cross don you that you fact bibl that you track jesu illiter didn write honestli hope that peopl bibl understand that religi text and that poorer qualiti boot reason xtianiti escap middl east roman wine poison lead made rome xtian bad dream thi post person person stand streetcorn and tell peopl hell will happi hatr and snap judgement can guid your robot life clayton forest mad scientist
alt.atheism	polit atheist kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write contridict you want good question claim gener trend disprov thi guess you show that not gener trend you claim you prove cold fusion provid exampl show that trend gener and you provid counterexampl surround mate practic etc don that case disprov gener trend natur moral and mate practic reexamin find immor mate relat activ you exclud mate relat activ your natur moral mate practic special case that natur system can object deduc goal speci propog mind not equat two you that object system isn necessarili natur you you not man wrote natur moral system object moral system that anim follow natur system object object system not natur term can not equat natur system subset object sinc homosexu observ anim includ bird and dolphin you claim that anim capac immor don claim that homosexu immor isn harm isn help mate process and you that homosexu observ anim kingdom don you mean bisexu can determin end moral you claim group impli entiti thi standard jargon read textbook form us that goal not inher that postul not determin argu that aris natur goal somewhat remov postul assum posit that goal aren inher can creat theori postul that sun revolv earth that moon made green chees and star portion angel that intrud into dimension realiti you such contradict observ can build mathemat proof postul that length side triangl length second side triangl and degre angl connect can determin length side postul that gener found true don your postul valid guess peopl recept order assum your system you show that your postul work and goal surviv and happi work you don not good goal keith
alt.atheism	member articl hiew portal videocart dfuller portal videocart dave fuller write start read thi group todai and larg particip daili post like section faq construct logic argument atheist not turn peopl into atheist figur peopl don care view come wrong will admit possibl religi follow dont capabl happi aboard dave fuller dfuller portal videocart offici keeper list nicknam that peopl alt atheism didn had such list you your award nicknam buckminst time you post articl sign your nicknam dave buckminst fuller jim humor mean never you copeland god dead and actor plai part sting word fear will find place your heart histori voic reason faith curs will teach freedom past thing can wors noth
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl hkv epv blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write judaism for maddi confirm thi for and reiter that can easili leav religion time simpli make public declar lazi that religion cannot held respons islam countri public renounc islam can quit danger countri not you necessarili practic true islam danger remain cannot blame failur public renounc islam lazi oppos desir stai aliv and you plan pull rushdi declar leav religion concern compar plan rushdi case discuss can tragic that islam countri thi islam countri constitut contain statement that islam law incorpor kuwait can freeli make such statement fear not mention that point that rushdi book that not muslim and sure reader book provid number wit thi stori becom tiresom condit clear you care make your point clear make chronolog and show that had made public statement leav islam prior write tsv make such statement made that clear rejoin islam talk person feel gregg
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr bradford newnham bradford leonard newnham write gregg jaeger jaeger buphi edu wrote khomenei jerk and plenti british leader qur basi judgement khomenei heret standard qur end stori you specif exactli khomanei heret and jerk judg koran like for gui noth contrari teach koran told iranian research student that share offic easi and conveni for you denounc feel that your view not clear cut and wide accept you suggest made thi clear will khomeini put price head anoth countri thi make jerk intern outlaw khomeini advoc view that seri twelv islam leader twelv imam free error sin thi make heret qur muhammad chastis for error directli god qur that muhammad greatest exampl proper islam behavior muslim free error usual almost islam viewpoint muslim perhap you thi case widespread agreement matter islam viewpoint issu not islam and thi for larg group peopl name come back koran imprecis word qur not imprecis word true that interpret interpret word entir text qur make mean precis for intellig peopl free power lust come agreement gregg
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr bradford newnham bradford leonard newnham write gregg jaeger jaeger buphi edu wrote slightli incongru find union jack fly citi hall belfast not british want big expens problem that major popul want problem that major can open mouth public perhap quit alot incent for british control north channel and irish sea wast dump appal dump harbor belfast understand that quit alot radioact enter water quit problem independ britain and stop accept wast you suggest that british industri isn make profit situat gregg
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr bradford newnham bradford leonard newnham write gregg jaeger jaeger buphi edu wrote you explain qur your ey carri excess baggag anoth era qur opinion carri such baggag run modern economi charg interest loan hear even fundamentalist iran compromis thi ideal sort loan and you heard exactli gregg
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl jkj fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write hope islam bank bcci rip small depositor muslim commun and jon grow childish propagandist gregg
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl apr bradford newnham bradford leonard newnham write gregg jaeger jaeger buphi edu wrote and western countri isn legal concept not slightest bit pertin topic british author live unit kingdom protect british law forget govern superior entiti religi organ forgiv gun higher law thi degener zumder logic govern superior entiti elect peopl religi leader not perhap not christian islam choic religi leader made peopl for your superior argument peopl trust make law repres higher law that democraci democraci basic element islam learn that notic that call fundamentalist algeria repress secular govern won free and democrat elect gregg
alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain subject free moral agenc date apr gmt articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write testement satan rare mention huh doesn sda bibl book job thi suffer world caught inth crossfir and sometim innoc teh guilti hurt that opinion and hope clear thing your omnipot and omnisci god splainin creat satan for shit and giggl bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea didn never mention satan rare excus for lack perfect memori omnipot tammi soori sound cranki apoplog feel hurt
alt.atheism	note bobbi articl apr daffi wisc edu mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough write mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough subject note bobbi date wed apr gmt articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write madhausc ckip netcom madhau netcom maddi hausmann write mark you vegetarian diet problem not vitamin balanc protein vitamin that cannot obtain anim product and thi concern vegan eat meat dairi egg and problem supplement for vegan come anim product you ovo lacto vegetarian diet eat dairi and egg thi not issu didn origin post vegetarian diet that close friend devout vegetarian and vitamin supplement think long time sinc read articl onc talk special dietari vegetarian didn quot full number nice thi place can come grain rice understand brand australia and place tablet grain rice you aren enrich type basic rice and soybean almost you hadn heard rice thought contribut issu norm you contribut program thread earlier fred rice daric yoyo monash edu vegan vegetarian taht eat anim product egg milk chees etc year vegan diet you start take supplement found anim acut bodi make bodi us year lacto oveo vegetarian milk product and egg don supplement and post contridict mish mash knowledg glean tammi
alt.atheism	moral polit atheist kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write you that isn for instinct act moral that order for act act moral person immor action disregard that order for act moral immor that impli intellig not instinct that action not you keith
alt.atheism	moral polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write you that isn for instinct act moral that thing explain instinct act can moral act and happi listen for exampl instinct not murder that order for act act moral person immor action disregard weaker that possibl that organ not peopl talk can altern intellig be can moral even bahavior be mimic and emphasi you place intellig anim speci kill each arbitarili don you that thi isn act moral anim aren intellig keith
alt.atheism	moral polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write don expect lion not kind fact don evid that lion such issu and that don you can assign moral signific instinct behaviour lion that moral behavior like null behavior that doesn work moral immor case that moral remnant evolut moral system base concept practic anim kingdom you basic that you moral undefin term and that moral system don exist can agre definit term can hope discuss perfectli clear that that moral system that can speak for peopl thi doesn anywher your belief irrelev you can share discuss keith
alt.atheism	cruel polit atheist sdoe nmsu edu stephen doe write time that death penalti cruel unusu will outlaw present peopl don thi thi fellow speak object natur moral suppos that major decid slaveri longer immor not claim that system object keith
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl bcc ic uci edu bvicker ic uci edu brett vicker write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write you not muslim sort fatwa issu khomeini not relev you can understand your fear persecut and share even you muslim rushdi behavior not complet excus fatwa issu khomeini relev doesn live iran issu khomeini shouldn relev issu honest and learn scholar islam relev muslim contrari islam law muslim requir respect that decid whether rushdi behavior excus suffici vers islam law and capabl reason you talk weak sens excus depend sens excus you mind and care you inexcus think opinion import you don care care that you don care gregg
alt.atheism	free moral agenc and kent articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write sandvik newton appl kent sandvik subject free moral agenc and kent date thu apr gmt articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali wrote ezekiel your hart fill pride your beauti you corrupt your wisdom for sake your splendor cast you ground and expos you helpless curiou gaze king for you bibl scholar you knowthat vers refer princ tyre thi prophesi and address human princ vers refer king tyre term for satan tammi rational connect princ tyre satan you give ration bibl cite afraid that thi not case your think model fall apart hous card cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net time ezekiel written israel apostaci and not mistaken tyre make war israel princ tyre human ruler tyre wick man call satan king tyre ezekiel that satan real ruler tyre don interpret neccessarili orthodox christian christian bibl commentari interpret king tyre refer satan haven read ezekiel throughli long time tammi
alt.atheism	free moral agenc and jeff clark articl dfc dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write dbstu benedikt rosenau subject free moral agenc and jeff clark date thu apr gmt articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write delet you million suffer for adam and pretti sick creat univers gonna respond give small theologi lesson forgiv us theologi major that thi planet involv cosmic struggl great controversi betwe christ and satan borrow book titl god interest entir univers make decis delet univers creat can you tyrann creatur like your definit your god creat satan full knowledg happen includ choic satan can you explain free will and omnisci didn your god that happen even creat world concern tyrant care fine for that idea come possibl abus power your god introduc your descript you that you read faq part preach benedikt don feel that preach answer peopl question and talk religion belief come post don intent convert don expect for atheist thi newsgroup grain salt state belev believeit and and that preach soori and soapbox tammi
alt.atheism	pompou ass arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write not that made nazi comparison peopl compar religi peopl nazi germani that start thing knew thing strang and grew bigger thing that motto thing you contradict motto thing that bother mentiopn you huh thing refer germani peopl that similar thing germani name that thing that and that weren wast time repeat sound knew look book avail that pave for intrus motto hasn caus problem year histori doubt caus problem you ignor instanc describ you caus problem shown that thing motto that like don motto initi sort harass harass will occur whether not motto present keith
alt.atheism	pompou ass andrew newel tan psuvm psu edu write you support your claim that peopl will simpli harass matter doubt thi true theist will loss and that reason for god trust motto coin and coin represent govern christian ammunit slander atheist unpatriot ban ammunit not rid gun and heard thi us convers christian fall back thing thi not us wors nation anthem chang god bless america list imagin year set coin label motto god dead such statement coin offend almost christian and tempt rub that motto face christian debunk standard motto sling get bore you peopl you despis statement print item that repres govern endors govern coin motto endors trust god endors acknowledg god thing that peopl proud don motto encourag belief don feel trust god govern put coin print for motto legitim read god god godless trust you approv such motto whether motto intend anti atheist not turn open invit us anti atheist tool and remov tool will solv problem will increas problem keith
alt.atheism	object moral polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write want thi omnisci perform feat term action wrong you omnisci you exactli and purpos mind goal mind you sould method judg whether not thi action accord gener goal don you show exist object moral system exist practic difficult perfectli emul mean you understand concept object system thought you explain don understand you explain object system goal action judg compat goal not simpl problem system current practic that goal differ that goal each societi note that object system not necessarili inher concept innoc depend whether action wrong and thi depend moral system object system can deem innoc not quit easili omnisci person clear recurs definit murder complain don solv specul object moral system question whether you can even time and for worth don you clear murder part you problem you mean harm harm you spend your exist metabolis food for anoth speci moral system consid speci for enslav anim not human ideal perhap wouldn even bother anim point wrong enslav human persoanl moral system second point vegetarian can enslav anim not kill you vegetarian for health reason you vegetarian fail person view relev wrong eat anim your person moral system not perfectli valid kill member speci for food nice anim not made suffer for instanc cow field live life wild happi veal youngster aren treat object moral system don goal thi system inher system natur moral system nope kill speci for food keith
alt.atheism	judg bobbi articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write kmr cwru edu keith ryan subject judg bobbi date thu apr gmt mozumd write tammi heali write liberti quot christian writer name ellen white hope that will you edit your remark thi group futur not set standard not make your opinion your view duti your interpret scriptur criterion for and your heart condemn not come your ideal thought fromth mount bless point point you judg god true judg sun start orbit earth will accept bibl agre total you amen you state and world tammi
alt.atheism	thought articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain subject thought keyword dan bissel date apr gmt articl bissda saturn wwc edu bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write want start and that christian make sens you read toni campollo book liar lunat real thing titl write book part effort destroi christian process christian thi good fun sinc group had such ripe opportun gut gill and fillet poor bastard popcorn bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea hope you not flame give coutesi you tammi
alt.atheism	judg bobbi articl apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd subject judg bobbi date wed apr gmt articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write bobbi liberti quot christian writer name ellen white hope that will you edit your remark thi group futur not set standard not make your opinion your view duti your interpret scriptur criterion for and your heart condemn not come your ideal thought fromth mount bless hope quot thi doesn make atheist gag ellen white put tammi point peac bobbi mozumd point that you set your view that eveil thi world caus atheism ridicul and counterproduct dialogu thi newsgroup your post spirit condemn atheist thi newsgroup bacaus don exactli you you convert atheist you fail miser posit constantli defend agaist insult attack you you blind that you didn messga quot tammi
alt.atheism	death penalti polit atheist articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write articl apr leland stanford edu rush leland stanford edu voelkerd write worri case innoc man convict horribl warrant death penalti and put law into place make virtual imposs execut real crimin death penalti not serv origin purpos chang don number back thi accordingli you us cuff number innoc peopl sentenc die accept loss for benefit capit punish surpris ratio that low approxim dozen case execut innoc sinc turn centuri that period sentenc peopl death account for case that don truth reason assum that twice that innoc peopl fact execut that rais number death sentenc meter sinc half million for your accept ratio hold doubt that case point accept loss not even that perhap find solut bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek suggest solut realiz hand natur number us and can answer accept loss rate anoth post despis idea support crimin for life econom situat that concern monei spent feed cloth hous and take care peopl demonstr that unfit live societi number place and worthwhil and enrish live american give peopl job give homeless shelter number thing clyde girl butterfli don reason robert heinlein
alt.atheism	thought bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write book that jesu liar crazi modern dai koresh convinc religi fantasi time that messiah rebel leader that organis jew built into godhood for purpos throw yoke roman oppress reason wouldn liar follow die for lie moslem fanat strap bomb back and drive into jewish embassi dy for truth hint nazi soldier wwii dy for truth peopl die for li time wouldn peopl liar peopl hitler liar napoleon mussolini ronald reagan spend million dollar year find techniqu detect ly answer wouldn liar li thing gather and gather hear had heal call fool heal peopl you heal peopl bibl god doesn exist possibl bibl not divin inspir and can us piec evid written unbias observ niether lunat entir nation drawn crazi doubt fact redicul for exampl hitler mussolini lunat genghi khan jim jone thousand exampl histori peopl drawn lunat drawn david koresh fool logic peopl thi sinc wasn liar lunat real thing cannot rule liar lunat not mention possibl not thi triad thing note fulfil load propheci psalm isaiah and hr alon thi betray possibl fulfil propheci awar order fulfil propheci possibl select dite behalf keeper holi bibl for thousand year gener public had access possibl that text written such riddl nostradamu that that happen can twist fit word rave fiction propheci and crucifixion don bibl thi moment time write will us stuff hard christian delet sever recommend you reconsid reason you christian unconvinc unbias observ jeff
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl ajinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write kmr cwru edu keith ryan write chimp almost human thi mean that chimp moral will chimp system live social group law dictat undesir behavior verb warn that back kindergarten such law jon
alt.atheism	thought bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write want start and that christian shouldn involv bit delet book that jesu liar crazi modern dai koresh reason wouldn liar follow die for lie wouldn peopl liar peopl gather and gather hear had heal call fool heal peopl niether lunat entir nation drawn crazi doubt fact redicul for exampl drawn david koresh fool logic peopl thi sinc wasn liar lunat real thing righto dan thi your cornflak book that muhammad liar crazi modern dai mad mahdi reason wouldn liar follow die for lie wouldn peopl liar peopl gather and gather hear son law made sun stand call fool make sun stand niether lunat entir nation drawn crazi doubt fact redicul for exampl drawn mad mahdi fool logic peopl thi sinc wasn liar lunat real thing ron hous usq hous helio usq edu toowoomba australia
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write articl jkj fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write hope islam bank bcci rip small depositor muslim commun and jon grow childish propagandist gregg point that practic thing aren quit wonder utopia you folk claim upset you exactli childish open question bbci exampl islam own and oper bank will bet weren real islam owner and oper and turn long run and quit ruthless oper steal monei small and quit naiv depositor and naiv depositor put life save into bcci nasti interest motiv western bank street that believ islam own and oper bank couldn possibl cheat don con into think that will work time jon
alt.atheism	moral polit atheist articl sninn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write you that isn for instinct act moral that thing explain instinct act can moral act and happi listen for exampl instinct not murder not murder moral signific sinc noth voluntari that order for act act moral person immor action disregard weaker that possibl that organ not peopl talk can altern intellig be can moral even bahavior be mimic you start point mimicri not necessarili action imit parrot pretti polli isn necessarili comment pulchritud polli and emphasi you place intellig anim speci kill each arbitarili don and poster you exampl exactli thi you short memori you that thi isn act moral anim aren intellig possibl that organ not peopl talk can altern post you repli jon
alt.atheism	moraltii polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write act moral for reason moral moral instinct anim that moral instinct anim attempt assum your conclus conclus you conclus correct err that behaviour instinct anim natur moral system disagre definit moral earlier you that consciou act your definit instinct behavior pattern act moral you appli human term human that even not consciou altern thi not prevent behavior moral you don that moral behavior pattern human moral moral action that consist pattern that enforc behavior moral you get thi backward you show that behaviour pattern moral whether moral behavior pattern irrelev sinc can behavior pattern for exampl motion planet that peopl not call moral show your definit can shown and moral can thought larg class princpl defin term thing law physic you silli talk moral planet obei law phyic silli talk anim free will keith
alt.atheism	cruel polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write thi thread start discuss whether not death penalti constitut cruel punish forbidden constitut didn meant cruel you suprem court and make sens refer constitut quit silent mean word cruel spent quit bit time word constitut pick word mean impli intent look dictionari defin word isn thi suffici discuss death penalti and that discuss result murder result intial discuss object moral thi time remov moral discuss discuss mene word cruel and constitut noth that discuss relat death penalti and constitut not defin each word doesn cruel can dictionari and keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write that you thought theori meant human gener capabl overpow instinct not follow that thi necessarili intellig aren anim gener capabl overpow instinct good question biologist answer anim brain set differ anim can train instinct serv reason contradict keith
alt.atheism	moral polit atheist articl inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write don expect lion not kind fact don evid that lion such issu and that don you can assign moral signific instinct behaviour lion that moral behavior like null behavior that doesn work moral immor case that craziest thing heard you doesn work moral that moral remnant evolut and that peopl discuss moral daili basi kind evolutionari hangov your toe moral system base concept practic anim kingdom thi us phrase base not suffici familiar you mean base and signific for your argument you basic that you moral undefin term and that moral system don exist can agre definit term can hope discuss perfectli clear that that moral system that can speak for peopl thi doesn anywher your belief irrelev you can share discuss can you moral belief you rais topic never consid quit happi invent moral belief thin air jon
alt.atheism	pompou ass articl jiinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write not that made nazi comparison peopl compar religi peopl nazi germani that start thing knew thing strang and grew bigger thing that motto thing you contradict motto thing that bother mentiopn you huh thing refer germani peopl that similar thing germani name that thing that and that weren wast time repeat sound knew look book avail that not true gave you two exampl pevas anti semit german christian hitler arriv system social rank that us imperail germani and austria distinguish jew rest popul terribl help set psycholog gradual disenfranchis jew made easier jon
alt.atheism	thought christian excerpt netnew alt atheism apr thought christian dave fuller portal sick religi type pamper look for and worst respect atheist end sight coupl good atheist even good steadfast agnost high polit offic last time had openli atheist presid don aren rhetor question bout suprem court justic thing that tick ago for new program local station promo cult and prei young ahem hear baptism birth that isn prei young don us ack barf cathol and even confirm shortli thereaft decid load mom insist that continu church felt duti bring believ that presumptu thing heard life suggest talk priest and agre priest amazingli cool basic that didn good forc guess wasn amazingli cool respons you hope for expect human pose didn expect find absurd that religion exist can us peopl face fact that you worm food decad and that isn cosmic purpos human and univers can pretti difficult for peopl readili pre digest solut thi pretti attract you gullibl will suspend your reason abil for piec mind had stuff ram your throat for long you can rememb religion gener nice patch for human weak organ religion nice popul control blech chri chri leger sophomor carnegi mellon comput engin rememb you don you can ignor
alt.atheism	mari fault you occur todai that thi christian thing can blame sole mari marri joseph get knock you joe will find get mari come thi ridicul stori god make pregnant can that ridicul number peopl that never tell truth and even tell poor jesu that hot shit son god tell thi sinc bought mari stori mari turn adultress and liar and mankind greatest folli recent mint two cent chri chri leger sophomor carnegi mellon comput engin rememb you don you can ignor
alt.atheism	rawlin debunk creation articl apr rambo atlanta wpr atlanta bill rawlin wrote talk origin not scienc scienc cannot explain origin for person exclud scienc issu origin that higher truth scienc thi fals premis hear god enjoi scienc you don understand observ god creation macroevolut mixtur percent scienc and percent religion guarante percent error bill herebi award you golden shovel award for biggist pile bullshit whil afraid not bit religion macroevolut and you made grand statement that scienc can not explain origin larg extent bill rawlin wpr atlanta peter walker you knowledg dept space physic you thing that you and astronomi you not thing admit you not rice univers thi knowledg houston ung tzu
alt.atheism	thought bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write want start and that christian thi alt atheism hope you arent convert make sens disagre book that jesu liar crazi modern dai koresh you shouldn give book weight don that statement correct like that jesu fame attribut death had strong motiv thing note fulfil load propheci psalm isaiah and hr alon propheci and signific don peopl understand christian understand not lot church life and total sacrafic for god sake sell your comput and donat you life your religion don wast time keith
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl qkq horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write wild guess and freedom object valuabl base thi assumpt that world depriv utterli freedom that act contrari volit almost want complain that assert that freedom not valuabl almost can that bit absurd assert not rain raini dai thi candid for object and condit for object moral that object valu such thi exist you shown that vast major not agre thi noth subject major event challeng your assert societi heck citizen will trade freedom for secur promis that made can broken john law man honor word
alt.atheism	islam author women snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write articl apr wam umd edu west wam umd edu write and belief horror crusad emascul and intern nativ american kill tribe south america inquisit counter reform and war that salem witch trial european witch hunt holi war middl east colon destruct africa war christian and islam post crusad genocid biblic canaanit and philistin aryian invas india attempt genocid jew nazi germani current missionari assault tribe africa horror you mention due lack peopl religion lack peopl religion includ fanat peopl that don you that you you shove throat that religion horror cover fals save peac bobbi mozumd thought anoth bibl defin not lack religion book esther read dai for reason describ origin pur jewish celbrat joi and peac long and short stori that peopl kill peopl trip peaceful solut ly you couldn swing sacr cow slammin into nice peac solut joshua and jawbon ass spring mind agre bobbi thi religion us kill larg number peopl not us form manner that origin intend for that doesn reduc number death directli caus religion minor observ fact that almost noth pure univers act honestli attempt find true mean religi teach time inspir hatr and led war peopl led religi leader involv stomach contentsthan absolut truth and driven kill leader point that thing involv religion that lead war whether thing part religion unpleas side effect bobbi result peopl switch religion and atheism spontan result religi group long involv major bloodiest part man histori atheist hand preen preen typic not ideolog social cast driven organ and spread belief overus nazism and stalin show true thi two group clear and specif ideolog religi persecut mean cannot obviou that group found for reason us religi persecut not belief system made powerful hard basic bobbi exampl war that not specif fought religion that not choic kei west flame heat bottom silver butter dish ciao chri blask
alt.atheism	object moral polit atheist articl utinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write want thi omnisci perform feat term action wrong you omnisci you exactli and purpos mind goal mind you sould method judg whether not thi action accord gener goal you contradict pretti massiv and don you even notic anoth part thi thread you tell that goal natur moral anim surviv suppos that your omnisci told you that long term surviv human requir extermin speci terrestri alien that make moral jon
alt.atheism	pompou ass articl pinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider andrew newel tan psuvm psu edu write fall back thing thi not us wors nation anthem chang god bless america list wors not defin violat rule govt supposedli follow chang not person concern anthem sinc don come across daili unavoid routin christian and tempt rub that motto face christian debunk standard motto sling get bore you peopl you despis don despis peopl opinion meant chat refus listen idea becom exercis for amus for motto legitim read god god godless trust you approv such motto not rid current chang such that
alt.atheism	moraltii polit atheist articl ekinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write act moral for reason moral moral instinct anim that moral instinct anim attempt assum your conclus conclus you conclus correct err that behaviour instinct anim natur moral system disagre definit moral earlier you that consciou act your definit instinct behavior pattern act moral you appli human term human pardon appli human term human confus gui that anim behaviour instinct not moral sugnific refus appli human term anim turn into appli human term that even not consciou altern thi not prevent behavior moral you thi you convinc you don that moral behavior pattern human moral moral action that consist pattern that enforc behavior moral you get thi backward you show that behaviour pattern moral whether moral behavior pattern irrelev sinc can behavior pattern for exampl motion planet that peopl not call moral show your definit can shown offer time accept your definit you ascrib moral signific orbit motion planet and moral can thought larg class princpl defin term thing law physic you silli talk moral planet obei law phyic silli talk anim free will law silli and silli livesei find intuit silli schneider find intuit silli that devast argument isn jon
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write articl bcc ic uci edu bvicker ic uci edu brett vicker write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write you not muslim sort fatwa issu khomeini not relev you can understand your fear persecut and share even you muslim rushdi behavior not complet excus consid call islam relat dialogu total wast time can restrain thi instanc gregg thi come sens and accept know wisdom and power quran and allah not that allah drop congratul wise choic allah roll bone and allah get crisco bend and invit spin block wow realiz that allah for commit readi for man program gotta call you think renounc islam btw gregg allah think you jim
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl bafa dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write fortun religion replac system that human right higher secular law crimin life victim life islam place right societi and member right individu thi call true human right you support claim preced islam law case you law religion muslim live muslim land bound law land live not disregard islam law remain part life law land conflict religion such extent that prevent allow practis religion leav land islam law precend secular law instruct follow law land that live islam state rule khaliph religion islam allow rule religi law provid don affect genral popul and don come into direct conflict state law dhimmi muslim popul exempt islam law religion such fight jihad give zakat alm give etc benefit two act such militari protect and poor will receiv zakat not rushdi and reliabl inform hadn left islam islam law burden proof benedikt fatwa didn rushdi affirm faith islam didn public convers islam bind islam law publicli renounc belief islam burden ma inc masud ahm khan ma cadenc opinion
alt.atheism	slaveri sex allow marriag articl apr bradford newnham bradford leonard newnham write thi sound nice help each and smile and fluffi bunni wake peopl not that evid histori that societi succeed had reli goodwil and unselfish peopl isn obviou place iran that even greedi peopl societi attract posit power sound recip for disast leonard mail newnham bradford leonard give you exampl thi father recent bought busi busi price pound and father approach peopl commun for rais pound interest free loan friend and rel and muslim knew had cash and rest busi loan pai muslim lender help loan clear bank debt and save intrest thi exampl muslim commun help anoth common ident muslim turn father help peopl bui hous minimis amount intrest pai and case bui hous intrest free fortun commun fact leonard work fluffi bunni sight ithat beauti islam ma inc masud ahm khan ma cadenc opinion
alt.atheism	pompou ass andrew newel tan psuvm psu edu write fall back thing thi not us wors wors not defin violat rule govt supposedli follow for motto legitim read god god godless trust you approv such motto not rid current chang such that wrong thi motto you wouldn approv even that begin that you motto gener you plurbi unum keith
alt.atheism	pompou ass livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write thing refer germani peopl that similar thing germani name that not true gave you two exampl pevas anti semit german christian hitler arriv system social rank that us imperail germani and austria distinguish jew rest popul don thing order wors motto you that motto thing that will lead wors thing keith
alt.atheism	moral polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write explain instinct act can moral act and happi listen for exampl instinct not murder not murder moral signific sinc noth voluntari you that moral act signific voluntari you thi and human abil disregard instinct intellig be can moral even bahavior be mimic you start point mimicri not necessarili action imit parrot pretti polli isn necessarili comment pulchritud polli you attach thing term moral thi good that anim speci don kill each you thi you that anim machin and that noth wrong anim speci kill each arbitarili don and poster you exampl exactli thi you short memori weren arbitrari kill slai relat sort mate ritual whatnot you that thi isn act moral anim aren intellig possibl that organ not peopl talk can altern post you repli don understand your distinct you mean can small child moral gorilla dolphin platypu line drawn awar you call mechan prevent anim speci arbitrarili kill each don you find fact that don signific keith
alt.atheism	object moral polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write anoth part thi thread you tell that goal natur moral anim surviv that human somewhat thi perhap goal actual suppos that your omnisci told you that long term surviv human requir extermin speci terrestri alien you let omnisci give inform thi not part origin premis that make moral type moral you talk natur sens not immor harm anoth speci long doesn advers affect your guess keith
alt.atheism	member jcopelan nyx edu and write offici keeper list nicknam that peopl alt atheism didn had such list you your award nicknam buckminst time you post articl sign your nicknam dave buckminst fuller jim humor mean never you copeland list agre nicknam law laid gipu almost year ago you that written iron tablet that melt onc and had reinscrib sinc prophet gipu decre that you post list nicknam for frequent poster nanci
alt.atheism	polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write chimp system live social group law dictat undesir behavior such law quotat mark enclos law not such rule even instinct unwritten etc sure sort random chanc lead chimp societi into chao keith
alt.atheism	pompou ass articl qlef inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write thing refer germani peopl that similar thing germani name that not true gave you two exampl pevas anti semit german christian hitler arriv system social rank that us imperail germani and austria distinguish jew rest popul don thing order wors motto you that motto thing that will lead wors thing you don thing twenti twenti hindsight you led jon
alt.atheism	object moral polit atheist articl qlf ginn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write anoth part thi thread you tell that goal natur moral anim surviv that human somewhat thi perhap goal actual human somewhat exactli thread you tell that natur moral anim surviv and thi thread you claim that omnisci can and wrong thi omnisci us for criterion long term surviv human speci omnisci map into assign and wrong action suppos that your omnisci told you that long term surviv human requir extermin speci terrestri alien you let omnisci give inform thi not part origin premis your origin premis habit chang time perhap you review for and differ omnisci assign and wrong action and tell result that make moral type moral you talk natur sens not immor harm anoth speci long doesn advers affect your guess talk moral introduc you implement thi omnisci that can assign and wrong action you type moral that jon
alt.atheism	slaveri sex allow marriag articl apr cadenc ma cadenc masud khan write leonard give you exampl thi father recent bought busi busi price pound and father approach peopl commun for rais pound interest free loan friend and rel and muslim knew had cash and rest busi loan pai muslim lender help loan clear bank debt and save intrest thi exampl muslim commun help anoth common ident muslim turn father help peopl bui hous minimis amount intrest pai and case bui hous intrest free fortun commun wrong thi bank start place sooner your father and pal will lend monei eventu broke and will realis that havn manag risk will that quantifi risk and persuad borrow not greater loan can carri and sinc don want worri calcul and handl monei will specialis that reinvent interest good muslim call fact leonard work fluffi bunni sight ithat beauti islam riiiight that john major open govern depart coupl month ago promot minor busi can lend anoth cup sugar jon
alt.atheism	moral polit atheist articl qlettinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write explain instinct act can moral act and happi listen for exampl instinct not murder not murder moral signific sinc noth voluntari you that moral act signific voluntari you thi you forc moral respons for and human abil disregard instinct make your mind instinct not murder not intellig be can moral even bahavior be mimic you start point mimicri not necessarili action imit parrot pretti polli isn necessarili comment pulchritud polli you attach thing term moral thi good that anim speci don kill each you thi not even correct anim speci kill anoth you that anim machin and that noth wrong sigh time round thi loop that instinct bahaviour moral signific quit prepar that higher anim such primat begin moral sens sinc exhibit awar anim speci kill each arbitarili don and poster you exampl exactli thi you short memori weren arbitrari kill slai relat sort mate ritual whatnot you that kill anim moral signific and not thi your natur moral you that thi isn act moral anim aren intellig possibl that organ not peopl talk can altern post you repli don understand your distinct you mean can small child moral gorilla dolphin platypu line drawn awar you blind you that thi sentenc mean possibl that organ not peopl talk can altern that impli you call mechan prevent anim speci arbitrarili kill each don you find fact that don signific find fact that signific jon
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl jxru new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write you base your belief atheism your knowledg and reason couldn that wrong atheism base ignor ignor exist god don fall into atheist don pride mistak bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write articl jkj fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write hope islam bank bcci rip small depositor muslim commun and grow childish propagandist gosh gregg pretti good read line you preciou work thi refut you flesh bit miss full grandeur content virtu blind atheism bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	moral polit atheist articl inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write that moral behavior like null behavior smell sig materi bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	cruel polit atheist articl mdinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write discuss relat death penalti and constitut not defin each word doesn cruel can dictionari and dictionari gain hand knowledg suffer your post bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	pompou ass articl jiinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write thing refer germani peopl that similar thing germani name that thing that and that weren wast time repeat sound knew look book avail ann frank exhibit make your small world afternoon bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	thought christian articl ofnwyg voa andrew cmu edu andrew cmu edu patrick leger write hear baptism birth that isn prei young don that prai young prei young come bright ei altar boi find priest wear that chasibl bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl qlfd inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write chimp system live social group law dictat undesir behavior such law quotat mark enclos law not your high and exactli quotat mark enclos law not case you didn notic function that ironicis such rule even instinct unwritten etc sure sort random chanc lead chimp societi into chao perhap chimp that fail evolv cooper behaviour di and left that evolv such behaviour chanc you proclaim natur moral time organ evolv cooper behaviour natur moral bee danc jon
alt.atheism	object moral polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write human somewhat exactli thread you tell that natur moral anim surviv and thi thread you claim that omnisci can and wrong thi omnisci us for criterion long term surviv human speci that question isn goal not that obviou can set goal happi and liberti and golden rule etc goal aren inher defin object system omnisci map into assign and wrong action not difficult you goal mind and absolut knoweldg intent etc you let omnisci give inform thi not part origin premis your origin premis habit chang time perhap you review for and differ omnisci assign and wrong action and tell result omnisci fine long inform not isn thi resolut free will problem interact omnisci situat type moral you talk natur sens not immor harm anoth speci long doesn advers affect your guess talk moral introduc you implement thi omnisci that can assign and wrong action you type moral that speak object system gener didn mention specif goal determin moral action keith
alt.atheism	islam caus believ genocid caus theism articl apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write that can happen atheism beleiv knowledg religion good can happen thi tiresom statement come you definit not assert islam good belief islam good believ islam can produc good islam good blah blah blah that circular get and equal meaningless that produc good good that produc noth unappli definit and you applic that true you true that silli convers you handedli that can happen atheism offshoot and becom true don and doesn religion aquaint islam teach exclus and cast and suggest harsh penalti for behavior that logic call for punish limit speech and sex for exampl thi not good pain and suffer justif for wave hand inaccess god you toss word knowledg bit carelessli for knowledg believ contradict term infer that you mean believ term faith and you knowledg faith noth jim halat
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi anecdot islam articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write precis reject god and leav islam perfectli free muslim and doubt and question exist god long not reject god that rushdi made atheism clear front suffici number proper wit question regard legal issu statu time crime commit that problem organ religi not idea that simpl speech such thi basi for crime jim halat
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi anecdot islam articl ursa bear halat pooh bear jim halat write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write precis reject god and leav islam perfectli free muslim and doubt and question exist god long not reject god that rushdi made atheism clear front suffici number proper wit question regard legal issu statu time crime commit add that imposs reject god you choos punish talk jim halat
alt.atheism	silli question tianiti articl apr daffi wisc edu mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough write insult your homest come wisconsin backward never understand that peopl held such bigot and backward view never wisconsin neighbor minnesota child middl atlant found that state provenc that stood thi youngster mind california texa and florida name obviou minnesota and wisconsin stuck sole basi polit translat extrem liber and progress state and recent trip minnestoa last summer serv support that state reput guess that wisconsin that impress peopl minnesota left neighbor question head wisconsin whether not effect relationship chees and serial killer jim halat
alt.atheism	nonexist atheist date apr edt kmagnacca eagl wesleyan edu articl bskendigc jcwx jzn netcom bskendig netcom brian kendig write quot delet peopl idea mean atheist bobbi mozumd clone world thought that explain thing post soc religion islam attach quot bobbi effect that atheist ly evil scum and ask commonli held idea muslim respons ask unknown guess you soc cultur group middl east south asia area open islam channel defin atheist polytheist cuz world creat that each particl god creat god soc cultur african nice for contrast viewpoint benevol religion sudan mention
alt.atheism	keith relativist articl pigidinnsot gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write not you thrown into cage tiger and maul you blame tiger aha admit moral relativist keith you start wafffl for human maul thrown into cage speak you start post tome decent evid retract your absolut moral blurb week ago keith desert brat john mcvei elc eltnc eng whyalla uni australia level unisa edu darwin for repli mail whjjm whyalla unisa edu disclaim unisa hate opinion doesn make rainbow beauti that god name smack understand refract mechan that chanc for produc jim perri perri dsinc alic chain
alt.atheism	thought articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write hope you not flame give coutesi you tammi person balanc reason argument tammi happi discuss make astound claim not back evid expect substanti origin author had that opinion and not support peopl simpli not claim thing and logic flaw argument for christian effort convinc atheist and messag for will not thing read you told that pink fluffi eleph danc sugar plum fairi dark side jupit demand evid adda adda wainwright dim atal llanw eczcaw mip nott mae sig werth
alt.atheism	object valu scientif accuraci year can that christian moral articl jzv dc dc tommi kelli wrote articl qjahh mr horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write scienc real world basi valu not round you you valu mean us and you scienc that you equat real world scienc recognit pattern percept univers and make qualit and quantit predict percept scienc process model real world base commonli agre interpret observ percept noth valu can valu not experi not and valu can refer mean for exampl comput scienc true and fals scienc base commonli agre valu interpret observ scienc can result reinterpret valu object valu set valu propos believ applic valu underlai scienc not object sinc never fulli agre and chang time valu newtonian physic quantum mechan steve lang slang sling slink slick slack shack shank thick
alt.atheism	victim good fight articl tekig pen tek naren tekig pen tek naren bala write list kill name religion iran iraq war civil war sudan riot india pakistan massacar bangladesh inquist america million crusad massacr jew wwii million massacr inferior race wwii million communist purg million social religion cathol protest quit imagin recent go bombai iodia area diseas introduc brazilian oher tribe million naren desert brat john mcvei elc eltnc eng whyalla uni australia level unisa edu darwin for repli mail whjjm whyalla unisa edu disclaim unisa hate opinion doesn make rainbow beauti that god name smack understand refract mechan that chanc for produc jim perri perri dsinc alic chain
alt.atheism	keith schneider stealth poster articl innpit gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write you threaten motto peopl that us time somon write and describ norm infact inforc that norm program not for motto danger tell world that true american god fear and put not fear god doesn make danger good job exist your currenc keith desert brat john mcvei elc eltnc eng whyalla uni australia level unisa edu darwin for repli mail whjjm whyalla unisa edu disclaim unisa hate opinion doesn make rainbow beauti that god name smack understand refract mechan that chanc for produc jim perri perri dsinc alic chain
alt.atheism	mari fault andrew cmu edu patrick leger write you occur todai that thi christian thing can blame sole mari marri joseph get knock you joe will find get mari come thi ridicul stori god make pregnant nice attempt chri verrri close you miss conspiraci step joseph knew knock couldn that mari prego that wouldn for popular local circl happen that feel guilti feel embarrass and decid improv imag downfal for clever come gain respect for coupl joseph and mari receiv prais paid jesu dave buckminst fuller that keeper nicknam
alt.atheism	origin bibl adda wainwright write state that thousand bibl discov point time syllabl perfect thi meant that copi time time quot acquaint approxim year death jesu thi complet nonsens codif bibl wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi apolog for long delai get respons thi post work reduc hour past coupl week had son born dai umar articl post btw respond coupl dai turn that coincident new softwar rearrang caus post thi site silent disappear into world thi revis that origin respons articl nrl navi mil khan itd itd nrl navi mil umar khan write articl finnm dsi dsinc perri dsinc jim perri write function illiter absolut concept natur such thing thi respons claim that rushdi made fals statement life moham disclaim fiction line fact and fiction stand thi distinct fiction and fals statement not for write satan vers for peopl accept propagandist version contain that book find singl muslim convinc that read book initi claim shown knowledg book superfici newsweek stori impart and made factual misstat event book you thing thi you accus peopl make hominem argument repeat previou post read tsv cover cover had not that claim sweep you made factual misstat event book rais past islam clearer view thread root rushdi islam law thread statement not that you had not read book that you had not convinc that you inter alia had you want defend your posit produc evid and respond evid post you not statement not directli aim you broadli number muslim poster repeat propaganda book indic that haven read and narrowli gregg jaeger subsequ admit that hadn fact read book vindic skeptic that case thing your case statement you made book clearer view post challeng not interpret statement fact for instanc rushdi depict women respect famili islam whore and your claim had not thi that you read cover cover will resolv thi disagr critic interpret you support your end respond critic doubt abil muslim thi book highlight find passag person offens you upheld view that tsv intend attack islam and muslim thi view defend mere assert you want hard amic and ration and club defend honest opinion that thi book not constru calcul insult attack islam and parallel opinion that critic book baseless propaganda support statement and critic interpretationa context quot book and rushdi essai correspond you jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost chri faehl write atheist not mock concept god shock that theist fallen such low level that god you accus atheist part conspiraci evid rule condescend popul larg theist will not win peopl your faith anytim ruin your credibl fallaci atheism faith hear faq beckon onc wonder rule delet you correct you didn conspiraci correct hard atheism faith rule don mix appl orang can you that extermin mongol wors stalin khan conquer peopl unsympathet that atroci stalin kill million peopl love and worship and atheist state can wors that will not explain thi you stalin noth name atheism wheth not atheist irrelev grip man stalin exampl brought not indict atheism anoth exampl peopl will kill name that fit for occas rule you reli evid state wait oppos reli bunch black ink crumbl paper atheism prove noth you burden dogmat religi bullshit provid evid you refer and long you wait hard atheism noth prove justifi that god not exist faq etc guess justif compel aren peopl flock hard atheism not and won for will discourag peopl hard atheism point sourc reliabl statement hard atheism second make you defend religion recogn hard atheism for faith and refer reader post evid that poster state that reli not theist can safe that definit theist not arrog sinc boast god god principl hard theist necessarili arrog such and such absolut unalter true dogma true not prepar issu blanket statement indict theist arrog you wont atheist bzzt virtu your innoc pronoun you issu blanket statement will apolog qualifi origin statement hard atheist place atheist you call john baptist arrog boast greater that christian todai that arrog not worthi misinform your sophist put theist your misinform shine bake timmon iii noth higher stronger wholesom and life good memori alyosha brother karamazov dostoevski
alt.atheism	islam and scientif predict genocid caus atheism dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write and god almighti creat night and dai and sun and earth celeti bodi swim each round holi quran hmm thi agre ptolem system earth centr planet orbit round copernicu and gallileo wrong you haven read carefulli you you will that doesn circl not move circl oop word not word qur evid that round gener sens wishi washi statement not scientif note that celesti bodi vers interpol bracket translat incorrect imho interpret mauric bucail translat studi arab for research into qur and scienc thi vers god creat night dai sun and moon each travel orbit motion qur posit aspect thi vers note mauric bucail that geocentr commonli accept notion time and for long time notion geocentr thi vers anywher qur fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	islam and scientif predict genocid caus atheism cindi apr solan solan unit cindi solan solan unit cynthia kandolf write quot delet interest save bit bandwidth will copi koran quot and god almighti creat night and dai and sun and earth celeti bodi swim each round holi quran point thi quot make claim orbit idea that orbit had held true for year koran written fact that orbit surpris insight concern word round two interpret thi word mean circl thi wrong believ true time koran written word not describ neighborhood univers exist thought time thi implic hope obviou mean round shape includ elips geometr form describ orbit planet thi not great insight shape you natur even approach squar rectangl human creat shape natur round degre even flat earther don claim earth rectangl children draw imaginari anim seldom give rectangular bodi instinct recogn that natur produc round shape assumpt that orbit planet round take divin inspir good rememb that translat extent interpret you point below back origin arab vers relev natur prefer us mauric bucail translat book bibl qur and scienc for gener translat liter mauric bucail translat portion vers you address each travel orbit motion note that celesti bodi translat quot you translat interpol not exist origin arab includ bracket perhap can read origin arab can elimin interpret rate exactli impress you vers isn that remark bucail surgeon that think signific that vers contain geocentr idea even geocentr rage centuri and thi for rest qur vers natur rememb read onc fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	societ accept behavior articl qgm new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write question for basi moral moral ethic behavior societ accept behavior disagre societi think irrelev individu decid that import societi thi fairli obviou defin accept gener feel idiot polici can legal moral posit think for ourselv mac michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu tax and spend cut billion dollar deficit
alt.atheism	origin bibl articl apr nott eczcaw mip nott wainwright write argument origin bibl theist acquaint state that thousand bibl discov point time syllabl perfect thi meant that copi time time quot acquaintac approxim year death jesu adda bibl scholar agre that copi each book time time author wrote work thi time period and earlier that exist todai copi cut crap god wrote answer oldest surviv copi testament part book scrap that date mid second centuri complet book letter etc middl centuri complet collect testament date earli centuri thi period write earli church father leader quot scriptur write truth acquaint statement you mean that discov thousand bibl perfect copi date last part centuri you mean that thousand earli manuscript date not letter perfect and that probabl text can reconstruct document and that earliest origin autograph lost written start shortli bibl origin origin author call matthew mark luke john peter paul jame and not identifi long piec string long you make adda regard jim
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost jame hogan write timmbak mcl ucsb edu bake timmon write jim hogan quip summari jim stuff jim afraid you miss point you admit that atheist lot sleev you suspect nah will encourag peopl learn atheism atheist sleev suspect quit meager you want send your address learn your faith faith yeah you expect peopl read faq etc and accept hard atheism you leap faith jimmi your logic run steam fine peopl shoot foot and mock idea god hope you understand jim understand you for provid healthi sarcasm that dispel sympathi had for your faith bake real glad you detect sarcasm angl bummin that won get your sympathi your inclin sympathi for faith you religion newsgroup care make whisper your ear delusion jim can piti you jim and that you feel denial faith you pretend that will end happili you start newsgroup alt atheist hard you won bummin good job jim bye bake slim jim delet bye bake bye bye bye bye big jim don forget your flintston chewabl bake timmon iii noth higher stronger wholesom and life good memori alyosha brother karamazov dostoevski
alt.atheism	studi book mormon don mormon and want independ studi book mormon don bui offici stori gold origin heaven haven read book mormon work learn biblic hebrew will comment result studi style vocabulari place name intern consist and for exampl evid for writer multipl writer mention event place histor person discov archeologist collen andr grino brandt casilla santiago agrino enkidu mic chile hai ma realidad que realidad razon profeta
alt.atheism	gulf war and peac nik articl apr bmerh bnr dgraham bmer bnr dougla graham write wait minut you never plai chamberlain sinc plai chamberlain east timor concern wouldn that lead you that your argument irrelev and had noth gulf war your idea perhap rest world bomb missil washington invad nicaragua grenada panama vietnam mexico hawaii number place wait minut doug you inform that never invad nicaragua liber grenada cuban protect citizen and prevent complet strateg air strip panama invad true twice thi centuri vietnam invit govern vietnam guess invad saudi arabia gulf war mexico invad mexico time onc thi centuri missil for shoot that time hawaii liber spain you mean word invad sort militari action cross border you invad carri connot attack autonom nation nation invad virgin island invad virgin island thi point view your score fall mexico panama peac nik that doesn masturb gun ammo suppos bad peac nik believ peac cost word person support give hitler not austria and czechoslakia poland avert war and hitler wipe jew slav and polit dissid area control long left rest alon suppos bad peac nik you depend your valu you life liberti peac freedom guess not liberti and freedom mean you life you die fight for liberti live tyrant heel bad peac nik problem peac nik not bad and unconscion not argument problem peac nik held ideal and stai conflict issu deal nation defens not will legitim hold point view milit and time resort violenc name peac rank hypocrisi stop warmong will stand and defend freedom tyrant and realiz that requir strong nation defens time soapbox doug graham dgraham bnr opinion regard jim
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost nancyo fraser sfu nanci patricia connor write timmbak mcl ucsb edu bake timmon write rule don mix appl orang can you that extermin mongol wors stalin khan conquer peopl unsympathet that atroci stalin kill million peopl love and worship and atheist state can wors that you and david koresh claim christian yup can hear million cheer for josef stalin eat your heart bake timmon iii noth higher stronger wholesom and life good memori alyosha brother karamazov dostoevski
alt.atheism	risen lord and savior david keresh risen aliv spread word sole intent learn fly
alt.atheism	idl question for fellow atheist acoop mac macalstr edu wrote atheist care specul face world atheist major minor group popul think thi and sinc cut ti christian surpris note that larg major peopl finland apatheist even popul member lutheran church finland religi peopl minor that peopl god case peopl not want seek truth fall prei pascal wager poor argument small minor read bibl regularli major doesn care believ doesn peopl don belief chang lifestyl want virtual gate open christian that not born spirit thi not disturb religion not afraid societi true atheist major imposs dream religion strong appeal peopl nevertheless promis life death human eagerli listen coupl threat etern tortur and idea that moral constant scrutini cosmic cop peopl poison smile pretend swallow and unconsci hope god wouldn notic atheist stanc and accor higher think theistic think typic selfish argument that line think evolv inher motiv not intrins qualit measur stick drawn and cannot assign system belief core altern appli peripheri express selfish logic and reason valu claim that atheist think higher theistic exposit theist make unnecessari assumpt good reason god leap faith revel logic and reason thi question bear resembl long disput problem scienc mathemat work strong deep structuralist atkin propos that perhap mathemat us criterion petri petri pihko kem pmp mathemat truth pihati finou oulu physic rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistri game
alt.atheism	societ accept behavior articl asv new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write qvabj horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl qgm new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write make wrong assumpt for basi moral come question idea that heard that moral come societ mandat aspect moral societ moral necessarili crude and broad brush stuff attempt deal that societi and enthusiast individu moral thing includ societ more societi troubl stronger for exampl peopl vegetarian eat meat perfectli legal question for basi moral moral ethic behavior societ accept behavior societi depend societi doesn point irrelev answer societi make rule that question societi make rule that anoth don claim answer don ireland and thing system principl defin accept depend thi come question ideal don consensu imo legal moral posit adopt default posit that peopl moral decis societi busi can put peopl jail can condemn societi sometim that hard trick recognis and equal importantli isn and interf interfer imo isn that interfer jail and forc kind and degre and effect you deriv interfer difficult question sort liar paradox forc for freedom justif that peopl freedom shouldn object freedom paradox doesn aris don activ freedom introduct permiss interfer problem that can peopl agre that level interfer for justic system can even defin that term consensu guess you situat law honour forbid come admit don understand that statement mean that and such legal and such immor law let you you don eat meat for exampl frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon
alt.atheism	islam genocid psilink robert knowl psilink write date apr gmt frank dwyer frank articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write borrow your post rice psilink robert knowl psilink write you that democraci drive forc massacr east timor odd that world massacr occur religi line independ claim democrat form govern ireland and northern ireland consid democraci you attribut problem democraci even democraci motiv religion democraci rice point fallaci assert that islam evil claim follow evil not assert that democraci massacr read that and point that us indonesian kill east timores result democraci bit weak democraci not motiv for indonesia rememb east timor portgues territori forcibl annex indonesia last heard indonesian di east timor part indonesia portugues coloni strong cathol influenc east timor recal bit odd that anoth war fought peopl happen religion pure coincident guess real motiv vote and make democraci work indonesia point secess movement aceh brutal dealt past indonesian govern harshli secessionist movement evid appear that indonesian govern dealt harshli secess movement that head indonesian arm forc for long time benni murdani christian indonesia heavi hand east timor for long time even murdani head arm forc peopl make indonesian govern gener motiv nation interest not religi fred rice daric yoyo monash edu
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost robert knowl write atheist time hand apolog didn bother read faq and fire imprecis flame that inexcus nicknam bake flamethrow timmon robert koresh fetesh sic knowl good you weren koresh compound noon todai chanc you rememb koresh dri for your sin and pass that beef jerki umm umm wasn can reli you post you fetish for beef jerki and david koresh bake timmon iii noth higher stronger wholesom and life good memori alyosha brother karamazov dostoevski
alt.atheism	christian moral articl prca new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write articl jt new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write wrong god free time correct mistak that continu not supposedli proclaim undi love for etern soul speak volum volum that speak fact that leav your choic you leav choic reason odd stori alleg son get kill for and past thousand year leav text pass centuri meddl mean and even word thi pass and interpret come vest interest not allow possibl that not ultim truth talk directli big god make time for creation love give each word direct convers busi unquestion miracul work and speak volum volum that never chanc meet gui and chat
alt.atheism	death penalti gulf war articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write jbrown batman bmd trw write articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write fortun think folk your good power and deem accept slaughter ten even hundr thousand iraqi order liber oil hkuwait won war hurrah hurrah number civilian iraqi death exagger and exploit for anti war emotion liber new media fact that iraqi di gulf war civilian war compar size thi centuri analyz thi claim size war defin number particip geograph area number countri involv number casualti size armi durat number casualti absolut and percentag involv geograph area and number countri measur size thi case relev statist number combat total troop compar total casualti total civilian popul affect geograph area compar war talk vietnam and korea make good comparison liber new media talk western new gener american mass media cb nbc abc etc gener tone new war poor poor iraqi precis thi cruis missil blew thi build bit thi due short durat coupl precis surgic bomb techniqu technic recent suspect that medic advanc agre innoc peopl di blanket bomb don hear you bemoan perhap topic hasn crop you want opinion that blanket bomb german citi end world war two appal act wholesal slaughter thi countri commit centuri bomber harri hero mine perhap and atom bomb mistak that easi enlighten viewpoint back war and germani and japan had squash million british had di hundr thousand french coupl hundread thousand american and million russian not mention million jew pole and peopl slavic descent german concentr camp thing consid fire bomb and atom bomb essenti and justifi bring war quick end avoid even greater alli loss for don regret war never exact scienc smart bomb exact smaller percentag civilian casualti sometim mistak made target misidentifi innoc die that war entrench polit ruler oper selfish interest regard for live peopl that war and peopl suffer reason depos entrench polit ruler oper selfish interest you mean that thi appli alli fuss kuwait and not east timor bosnia even tibet iraq bad sell stuff coupl week start bomb make claim effort justifi misguid foreign polici west war evid that west america misjudg hussein drastic onc hussein invad kuwait and threaten militarili corner signific portion world oil suppli had stop war prevent judici and concert effort part west hussein invad kuwait hussein respons for decis invad and onc strong respons west requir mathew your sarcasm note you complet base you come sound complet peac nik idiot feel that not your intent your intent sound love christian you aren good job not love hussein hitler gobbl nearbi countri and continu mass slaughter peopl dominion stop hussein love thing for peopl involv onc set mind militari conquest iraqi war wrong that appeas work war even mention appeas and make you situat even remot analog world war two mention hadn interven allow hussein kuwait appeas precis lesson world learn that motiv western allianc war let hitler austria and czechoslavkia not stop happen and let hussein kuwait not stop eventu gulf war protect saudi arabia guess shouldn fought innoc german civilian kill dresden and hamburg german human you unfortun that hitler grandios quest for thousand year reich consequ stem that tyrant hussein stop kind don understand diplomaci understand point gun regret that bush wimp and didn militari roll into baghdad hussein power and iraqi peopl sacrific not mention american di for naught forward hear your incis comment east timor and tibet and for poor poor rodnei king you stop and juri trial brought back verdict not guilti thing thought hmm aw lot white peopl that juri policemen trial not rodnei king and american law deserv juri peer had black offic involv black juror thi point allegedli racial motiv shallow foam mouth for blood policemen look video tape juri look evid evid you and not bunch policemen beat ly defenceless ground hard imagin thi evid hard imagin argument incredul gain accept rever author construct logic argument can expect anoth revis kid wonder evid seemingli secret not you king deserv good beat and live happili admit that thi prosecut defens talk cannot conclud due silenc princip law thi countri intend protect right accus whether crimin cop not found guilti reason doubt guilt and juri posit assess evid and render verdict fine find hard imagin reason doubt thi case mean cop beat ly defenceless ground your explan mass hallucin orbit mind control laser fake video footag that excess forc involv and frankli origin not guilti verdict baffl learn that prosecut case not convict charg excess forc simpl assault won convict charg aggrav assault intent inflict bodili harm charg new comment akin attempt murder california law base prosecut ask for evid that juri decid that offic not guilti note not not guilti wrong not guilti aggrav assault intent inflict bodili harm seed prosecut defeat overconfid obtain verdict such that for extrem charg fact new comment present true feel not guilti verdict reason mathew thou shalt not kill thou hast pretti good reason for kill case thou shalt kill and kill get cannot help jim brown bibl for love christian mathew quot pretti funni monti python fan you kind that vein oversimplifi moral argument can make contradictori you that regard jim love christian
alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl pxq darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner dean kaflowitz decai cbnewsj att wrote interest origin notion you discuss moral free agenc that can god punish person for not believ that person natur and not for that person deni reason tell that god you let atheist mytholog confus you issu webster myth tradit legendari stori belief truth accept uncrit that qualifi almost oxymoron amus instanc found that atheist hold almost atheist view accept uncrit that legend explain basic truth myth don meet criterion divin justic fundament doctrin christian man sin that time you accus referenc mytholog you proced launch your xtian mytholog thi time meet requir myth salvat idea punish base proposit that instinct that god exist creator and not that god exist you fallaci noth terribl difficult thi and biblic liter christian controversi and that make true hold bibl rule controversi read faq you read you miss read not bad suggest for read thi pretend not and mean atheist claim that not god exist and don contradict bibl that author bibl claim repeat wrote for sake get across you trust bibl your trust doesn make credibl bibl that that reason doubt bibl not your alleg god alleg exist refut speci wide condemn justifi that claim that evid for exist god that will unknown deliber ignor bibl ignor excus don ignor bibl bibl univers accept bibl not proof god proof that peopl thought that god prove even that write seri fiction short stori case dionet assum writer believ thing possibl prove that believ and that ignor problem whether not interpret and biblic philosoph correct peopl never heard bibl read faq freedom you free ignor god you free ignor graviti and consequ inevit and case that atheist can accept evid mean bzzt wrong answer graviti directli doesn stop exert direct and ration undeni influenc you ignor god hand doesn gener show supermarket tabloid god doesn exert ration undeni influenc graviti obviou god aren secondli human reason comforatbl concept god that intrins natur human reason come back question god gener and human reason hasn come back exist god come back exist god word doesn gener come back xtian god come back whether god and orient philosoph histori gener doesn pop idea god question natur forc and world wide view human natur make univers and forc control natur tendanc god exist religi wish think thi make point that christian emin reason that divin justic and human natur atheist whether you agre not xtianiti reason religion and reason doesn merit emin divin justic divin not atheist thing human natur second whether atheist correct not you not correct human natur you base your view complet eurocentr approach world you attempt sum human andrew
alt.atheism	genocid caus theism evid articl qibo horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write absenc convinc evid that theist fanat danger atheist fanat continu wari fanat stripe that agnost fanat danger lot fair point mention theist and atheist left agnost mea culpa light that you theist pass agnost rememb your post your daughter sing chrisma carol and your feel you show margin honesti and answer question you left open you ceas respond last time benedikt
alt.atheism	islam genocid articl horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write delet peopl can imagin dy for capit can imagin dy for democraci lot will die for lord and savior jesu christ di cross for sin motiv pure and simpl cite for thi nonsens peopl will die for mom patriot freedom monei kid fast car and swim pool night kim basing mel gibson and thing evil read histori book fred and religion command commit genocid noth religion religion that not live standard religion wors die coincid assum ist part absolut moral you describ theism strongli correl irrat belief absolut irrat belief absolut strongli correl fanat benedikt
alt.atheism	articl pepper east sun geoff east sun geoff arnold sun bo coast top write your post provok into check save file for memor post captur ken arromde feb subject atheist that articl your question articl averag articl dai for last year note current post rate such that kill file depress larg post save earli dai articl notabl hei interest read post regularli post alt atheism loren sunlight llnl gov loren petrich jchrist nazareth israel rel jesu christ nazareth mrc tomobiki cho cac washington edu mark crispin perri apollo jim perri lippard uavax ccit arizona edu jame lippard minski media mit edu marvin minski interest bunch hee hee hee ain promis that made can broken john law man honor word
alt.atheism	cruel polit atheist articl mdinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write thi thread start discuss whether not death penalti constitut cruel punish forbidden constitut didn meant cruel you suprem court and make sens refer constitut quit silent mean word cruel spent quit bit time word constitut pick word mean impli intent look dictionari defin word isn thi suffici question found father cruel and unusu punish hang hang slow strangl pain physic and psychological imagin fire squad note not clean die back dai etc consid cruel your definit allow constitut found father promis that made can broken john law man honor word
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl ajinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write chimp system live social group law dictat undesir behavior promis that made can broken john law man honor word
alt.atheism	thought articl bissda saturn wwc edu bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write arguement sum book whether jesu god not you don listen perspect for gain listen read faq watch list week and come back and read book matter order broaden your view benedikt
alt.atheism	apostl tortur articl qiu innpq srvr engin umich edu ingl engin umich edu rai ingl write evid for resurrect claim that discipl tortur death for belief and not renounc claim that jesu had come back dead skim act and such and found refer thi happen stephen thi appar wide held belief come evid bibl evid bibl haven found earli author and legend import sourc can found martyriologia cathol church make grimm exact scienc benedikt
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl qlfd inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write chimp system live social group law dictat undesir behavior such law quotat mark enclos law not such rule even instinct unwritten etc sure sort random chanc lead chimp societi into chao system refer moral system you havn shown reason that chimp moral system you redefin promis that made can broken john law man honor word
alt.atheism	articl pepper east sun geoff east sun write your post provok into check save file for memor post captur ken arromde feb subject atheist that articl your question articl averag articl dai for last year note current post rate such that kill file depress larg post save earli dai articl notabl loren sunlight llnl gov loren petrich jchrist nazareth israel rel jesu christ nazareth mrc tomobiki cho cac washington edu mark crispin perri apollo jim perri lippard uavax ccit arizona edu jame lippard minski media mit edu marvin minski interest bunch didn you hear address chang can reach address dkoresh branch davidian compound waco last post alt messian jim god dead and actor plai part sting word fear will find place your heart histori voic reason faith curs will teach freedom past thing can wors noth
alt.atheism	free moral agenc you that physic adam and ev and that human direct decend two human be cain and wive couldn sister didn daughter human genesi and dai adam begat seth hundr year and begat son and daughter felicit chri stuart
alt.atheism	death penalti gulf war long articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write jbrown batman bmd trw write articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write liber new media talk western new gener american mass media cb nbc abc etc gener tone new war poor poor iraqi precis thi cruis missil blew thi build bit odd suffer iraqi civilian end war and confin remain qualiti newspap true new media entranc gizmo militari not mention tape video transmiss missil zero target and bunker full civilian hit chang tone that didn stomach for realiti war that innoc peopl die and maim warfar pro gulf war long nice and clean smart missil drop militari hq not pictur dead dy and maim civilian start crop naiv hypocrit innoc peopl di blanket bomb don hear you bemoan discuss blanket bomb and bomb delet thing consid fire bomb and atom bomb essenti and justifi bring war quick end avoid even greater alli loss militarili justifi your comment below that you understood thi mean moral justifi apolog evid that america knew japan surrend hiroshima nagasaki that anoth lie peddl liber media conspiraci wonder thi thought that bomb drop japan island fortress truk good inpenatr militari target second bomb held back for us industri center digress heard that found evid war btw that japan surrend bomb militari junta won moder and reject ulimatum second bomb drop unfortun imo for don regret nuke jap for jesu don regret fact that sometim militari decis made affect live innoc peopl regret circumst make decis and regret suffer caus decis fuss kuwait and not east timor bosnia even tibet iraq bad sell stuff coupl week start bomb make claim effort justifi misguid foreign polici west war evid that west america misjudg hussein drastic onc hussein invad kuwait and threaten militarili corner signific portion world oil suppli had stop can overlook chemic weapon thousand peopl threaten your drive huge ga guzzl car man gotta fact that situat exist that prompt and alli action back water countri back water countri wouldn interven not that don care can world policman coup had occur kuwait invas wouldn act not immin danger perceiv saudi arabia combin two unprovok invas genocid tyrant and potenti danger west oil interest caus action move paragraph hadn interven allow hussein kuwait appeas you hear advoc such action you set strawman not set strawman you want argu war logic altern hussein kuwait diplomat altern includ sanction ineffect guess shouldn fought innoc german civilian kill dresden and hamburg german human you unfortun that hitler grandios quest for thousand year reich consequ stem that translat ask for sens had idea end hitler lead nation didn support hitler dream conquest not democrat vote for polici nsdap elect and that last chanc german peopl vote matter suffer rest thi bother you world full evil and circumst not perfect innoc suffer due wrong action regret that perfect solut forward hear your incis comment east timor and tibet peopl east timor kill dictatorship that invad countri hell even western journalist kill thi happen gulf war didn send bomber east timor aren send bomber not savior world can polic each and countri that decid destruct invad anoth strateg posit relief tibet east timor place that paragraph move your intent sound love christian you aren good job not love hussein hitler gobbl nearbi countri and continu mass slaughter peopl dominion stop hussein love thing for peopl involv onc set mind militari conquest chines govern polici mandatori abort and steril tibetan tibetan peopl round tortur and execut amnesti intern recent report that tortur widespread china aren stop fact activ suck trade freeli stop and support for not agre present polici suck you put agre that deplor and for poor poor rodnei king you stop and juri trial brought back verdict not guilti thing thought hmm aw lot white peopl that juri policemen trial not rodnei king erm sure irrelev trial juri suppos repres cross section popul suppos reflect popul local trial held thi crime commit parti can convinc judg chang venu order not expert california law even law that thi system set you can critic system not unfound alleg racial prejudic thrown and american law deserv juri peer you that black peopl not peer white peopl not point that fact that black juri and that rodnei king black total irrelev thi point allegedli racial motiv shallow thi idea peopl juri peopl stupid nuremburg trial had juri made nazi german perhap peer doesn mean thing murder judg murder mean peopl station life posit understand defend motiv foam mouth for blood policemen look video tape juri look evid evid you and not bunch policemen beat ly defenceless ground hard imagin thi evid hard imagin argument incredul gain accept rever author construct logic argument not talk logic argument talk court law faq point fallaci argument not view fallaci court law grant you thi reason part your logic argument thi discuss thi not court law fact new comment present true feel not guilti verdict reason you not talk earlier bia liber media conspiraci media not total monolith even prevail liber bia program such macneil lehrer new hour give balanc and fair report new even conserv sourc you hurrah for rush btw never us word conspiraci don accept evid theori that pervad liber conspiraci attempt new sourc thou shalt not kill thou hast pretti good reason for kill case thou shalt kill and kill get cannot help jim brown bibl for love christian mathew quot pretti funni monti python fan you kind that vein oversimplifi moral argument can make contradictori you that atheist argu kill innoc peopl you suppos christian argu that kill innoc peopl long you guilti didn that good thing kill innoc peopl end don live perfect world and perfect solut resist tyranni innoc peopl side suffer and die didn unfortun sometim moral relativist argu that satur bomb german citi end world war can evil and unnecessari act agre that evil sens that caus pain and suffer not that unnecessari you that conclus can arriv evalu factor involv and perhap unnecessari that doesn mean that had make decis bomb didn rare can full consequ action make decis time ahead don assum that feel bomb moral justifi don don condemn had make difficult decis difficult circumst you criticis moral relativ past argu that posit judg moral alli action end war you not such posit you moral relativist absolutist posit judg defer judgment you argu that action assess context time and that moral not moral wrong moral make decis bring quick end war simpli refus condemn for decis your christian love your absolut moral quick you discard suit you ivan stang jesu puke dai will stand jesu and give account word and action even thi discours thi forum understand full ramif that and prepar don that you can make claim mathew and btw reason brought blanket bomb germani you bemoan iraqi civilian casualti deplor blanket bomb institut bomb wasn accur hit industri militari target decis method that time gulf war precis bomb norm point make big stink rel civilian casualti that result spite precis bomb civilian proportion and quantit di blanket bomb even precis bomb mistak happen and civilian suffer civilian suffer thi war iani histori iraqi civilian live minim interfer alli air raid stori hundr thousand iraqi civilian dead plain bunk bunk lost servicemen year and major directli involv fight expect swallow that hundr thousand civilian iraqi di war last month and alli precis bomb creat that hogwash hundr thousand iraqi civilian di due action hussein peopl not due alli bomb regard jim
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost maddi hausmann chirp timmbak mcl ucsb edu bake timmon write you reason gui not honest and includ sentenc that honest end that swear that nice hmmmm recogn warn sign altern polit and rude come into newsgroup huge chip shoulder call peopl name and make nice whirrr click whirrr you forgot equal whirrr click whirrr below whirr click whirr frank dwyer contain that shell pop stack determin whirr click whirr killfil keith allen schneider frank closet theist dwyer maddi mad sound geek hausmann whirrr click whirrr bake timmon iii noth higher stronger wholesom and life good memori alyosha brother karamazov dostoevski
alt.atheism	islam and scientif predict genocid caus atheism articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write posit aspect thi vers note mauric bucail that geocentr commonli accept notion time and for long time notion geocentr thi vers anywher qur notion heliocentr even galacticentr sole intent learn fly
alt.atheism	amus atheist and anarchist mccullou whippl wisc edu write turn back and reread your post you attack atheism and that agnostic wasn funni atheism that impli that you agnost weak atheist peopl post such inflammatori remark theist reason assumpt you not state rule condescend popul larg theist will not win peopl your faith anytim ruin your credibl condescend popul larg state that happen true for long time couldn that peopl believ thi god idea alien concept not win peopl faith you put faith religion issu had attitud never even occur atheist default guess you common form condescend ration versu irrat attitud onc accept assumpt that god and faith irrat simpli assumpt contradict your assumpt lack consist you faith posit belief that god not exist close logic argument ration peopl problem that logic you soft atheist for flamag line atheist have sleev impli that read clipper project and paranoia seep clipper project btw rule don mix appl orang can you that extermin mongol wors stalin khan conquer peopl unsympathet that atroci stalin kill million peopl love and worship and atheist state can wors that ruler similar thing past stalin plenti document afix blame evid that earli european ruler rule iron fist stalin you threw number and sick hear stalin exampl exampl doesn appli you manag angri your post appear attack form atheism appear attack atheism gener point that mass kill happen for sort reason peopl will hate will and will wave flag justifi cross hammer sickl stalin exampl import not wide unappreci era that peopl want forget peopl love and idea even that had wrought evid refer lack evid neg evid claim pink crow never pink crow that doesn mean couldn exist thi person claim that pink crow even admit hasn captur photo find etc sens that evid not exist pink crow that evid supposs evid for deiti show flaw and doesn show theist want show and pink crow unicorn elv argument world will not swai peopl for simpli not accept analog big reason that peopl want thi life you can pretend that don want thi for can accept and even want sometim and noth uniqu thi exampl peopl want god can love truth proven logic god god principl hard theist necessarili arrog make sens arrog make such claim previou refut stand and anoth net john baptist boast jesu peopl find hard that behavior arrog christian boast thi not necessarili arrog arrog christian doctor and teacher technic you person origin made claim arrog jesu for instanc you talk atheism strong atheism you talk weak atheism refus such claim atheism lack belief us good occam razor make final reject deiti that thing even present hypothesis equal fasion find theist argument not plausibl speak strong atheism find that evid support faith subject evid support love truth subject answer that apolog for you state incorrect assumpt your theism noth that you agnost that you anoth newbi christian net cheap shot apolog bake timmon iii noth higher stronger wholesom and life good memori alyosha brother karamazov dostoevski
alt.atheism	you god court articl tan psuvm psu edu andrew newel tan psuvm psu edu write articl apr daffi wisc edu mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough articl monack helium monack helium ga uug arizona edu david monack write anoth issu that request not requir recit god part oath theistic juri prejud your testimoni even atheism not relev case recommend procedur for request altern oath affirm dave for follow respond server drop week worth new couldn you ask swear you god and you jesu allah vishnu zue odin specif don obnoxi humbl quit sit back and watch fun jame felder sverdrup technolog inc phone nasa lewi research center cleveland ohio email jfelder lerc nasa gov peopl drink fountain knowledg peopl gargl
alt.atheism	thought articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write deletia wrt pathet jee zu post bissel hope you not flame give coutesi you hasn extend courtesi you shown don pie tammi respect your belief you don stamp into scorn for poster sole purpos appear evangel tammi
alt.atheism	apostl tortur tradit church hold that apostl mean surviv discipl matthia barnaba and paul martyr for john tradit understood read earli church write bibl and heteroorthodox scriptur wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	thought articl saturn wwc edu bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write want start and that christian make sens you read toni campollo book liar lunat real thing titl write book part effort destroi christian process christian sound you part conspiraci organ belong name book that jesu liar crazi modern dai koresh logic alert artifici triferc explain that never exist good point made thi group that not imposs that amalgam number myth mithra come mind reason wouldn liar follow die for lie wouldn peopl liar peopl gather and gather hear had heal call fool heal peopl logic alert argument incredul hard for you thi doesn mean that isn true liar can pursuas koresh that you site follow that don fake and shown that will die not give get shot koresh shown that will die for believ heal remem heal that attribut not consist gospel heal that not that faith healer can pull todai that earli gospel weren that compel stori bigger appeal niether lunat entir nation drawn crazi doubt fact redicul for exampl drawn david koresh fool logic peopl thi sinc wasn liar lunat real thing not exist number thing that logic pitfal that us flaw logic thi fall into bifurc tri quad etc that valid proceed step person show conclus that altern that onc agre that set argument altern can present and like true can deduc exclud altern can shown that set not inclus conclus base incomplet set invalid even true choic origin choic valid altern conclus that real mccoi isn two altern longer valid thing note fulfil load propheci psalm isaiah and hr alon thi betray and crucifixion don bibl thi moment time write will us rabbi knew propheci wouldn great shake make list action that fullfil propheci compel set clear and explicit propheci and had absolut knowledg fullfil don peopl understand christian not lot church life and total sacrafic for god sake love die and save hei can god inspir turn live that tuff and peopl don want real christian for strong persever weight lift guitar plai drum take time don rush dai christian your life not church onc week help poor peopl onc box into time unit such work thi time sport social life god box and carri into box that creat for ourselv agre you bui into thi load mytholog and that total life respect for xian that don myth true true entir pick and choos that lot leav bad tast mouth jim jame felder sverdrup technolog inc phone nasa lewi research center cleveland ohio email jfelder lerc nasa gov peopl drink fountain knowledg peopl gargl
alt.atheism	thought fri apr gmt healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali trh hope you not flame give coutesi you trh you courteou and receiv courtesi return thi person post worst argument made pro christian peopl jesuit laugh face present such argument ignor fact that not true trilemma for moment nice word maddi origin real word and concentr liar lunat part argument claim that follow liar alon thousand peopl ron hubbard not liar and con artist thousand peopl follow dianet and scientolog baker and swaggert televangelist lie time number follow for lunat exampl hitler insan advisor thought had countri entral and close rule europ german gave live for thi dai follow amaz that peopl us thi argument wrong mccreari edm twisto compaq not for laughter tao
alt.atheism	thought christian apr gmt bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain articl ofnwyg voa andrew cmu edu andrew cmu edu patrick leger write hear baptism birth that isn prei young don that prai young prei young come bright ei altar boi find priest wear that chasibl thing scotsmen kilt never forget dai twelev and accid walk roomful priest sit underwar drink beer and watch footbal kind chang opinion bit didn menac that mccreari edm twisto compaq not for laughter tao
alt.atheism	victim good fight apr level unisa edu desert brat tdb diseas introduc brazilian oher tribe million fair thi happen eventu time american reach europ and thing happen matter togeth mccreari edm twisto compaq not for laughter tao
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral frank frank dwyer write articl apr abo mandtbacka finabo abo mat andtbacka write and object valu specif and importantli motiv wild guess and freedom object valuabl freedom world gener doesn freedom tibetan for exampl mathew
alt.atheism	koresh god latest new that koresh will give onc finish write sequel bibl mathew
alt.atheism	articl innf senat bedfellow mit edu tcbruno athena mit edu tom bruno write stuff delet bring point post peopl alt atheism sinc damnedest stai top stuff delet hmm usenet collect hook into switch engin start read alt atheism not post messag time sinc never understand peopl can find time write can bare mccreari edm twisto compaq not for laughter tao
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral repli frank frank dwyer peopl not word object mean put word moral assum idiom and cannot defin separ term give object moral moral built object valu dictionari philosophi anthoni flew objectiv belief that moral truth that remain true thought desir for instanc deliber inflict pain anoth simpli pleasur suffer thought plausibl exampl even world sadist reject content remain true remain correct even left count problem for objectivist determin statu moral truth and method can establish accept that such judgement not report relat naturalist fallaci cannot prove fact natur world can analyt sinc thi involv lack action guid content thing plainli true virtu vord involv unhelp practic guid action analyt and synthet thi point objectivist talk evid truth can deni subjectivist claim that evid mind behold not left claim that moral judgement true subjectivist feel that that remain that moral judgement associ hold moral opinion suggest not true prefer human activ david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl apr andrew nrp andrew norman paterson write don you germani daughter born and don german right vote live right citizen british citizen virtu parentag that not full citizenship for exampl don children british virtu fairli that obtain citizenship make applic for requir immigr germani almost that onc appli for citizenship inevit thi case interest your sentenc fact peopl come children born that will human right compar islam countri thi respect peopl iran children will human right you interest for your propaganda purpos time that don iran exemplari good islam state talk right peopl capitalist secular world countri give exampl lack right world countri broadli for exampl central american secular capitalist countri govt support amnesti intern point human right vacua gregg
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write articl jxru new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write you base your belief atheism your knowledg and reason couldn that wrong atheism base ignor ignor exist god don fall into atheist don pride mistak you base ignor couldn that wrong wrong fall into trap that you mention heck talk and didn comment line thought mac bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for program champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu tax and spend cut billion dollar deficit
alt.atheism	koresh god fri apr mathew mathew manti latest new that koresh will give onc finish write sequel bibl can fed tax evas don rememb hear run post offic last night mccreari edm twisto compaq not for laughter tao
alt.atheism	pope jewish west cvill wam umd edu stilgar write pope jewish thought that pope bear you that bear shit wood pope cathol connect two line
alt.atheism	bibl quiz articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write articl qgbmt usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu frank kirschner write sun start orbit earth will accept bibl sinc atheism mean trash religion god inbreed you son pope john paul
alt.atheism	islam author women benedikt rosenau dbstu wrote object belief perfect and make believ act and observ that don contradict defin contradictorili cannot exist that not exist secondli explan for exist object belief you read faq benedikt benedikt can recal claim that god make act particlar that you attempt manufactur contradict god requir behavior compuls believ sens duti standard conduct exist free ignor misunderstand distort wai find conveni respons god edict can us question god exist behavior believ complet separ question that god exist noth contradictori that defin contadictorili cannot exist ask you exist depend grammar you can that poorli defin that insuffici decid confus your point that reason for phenomenon belief object belief lead rat nest unnecessari complex you impli your version thi altern bill
alt.atheism	islam author women scott sauyet ssauyet eagl wesleyan edu wrote peopl hidden motiv state reason for war includ religion you can claim that real reason econom polit ethnic strife fact remain that justif for war conquer heathen you want for instanc that econom chief crusad you make that point come and demonstr that manner you show that not religion you thi manner elimin for crusad scott don make outrag claim religion affect and effect histori for purpso point that claim made wrong and noth valid atheism time made statement that religion sole point that make that kind claim mistaken deliber credit religion awesom power domin histori misunderstand human natur function religion and histori that distort histori thi exaclti and for affect bill
alt.atheism	thought jame felder spbach lerc nasa gov wrote logic alert argument incredul hard for you thi doesn mean that isn true liar can pursuas koresh that you cite thi basi great reject christian account thing word madalyn murrei hair face folk silli disbeliev your incredul you admit that fallaci bill
alt.atheism	thought kent sandvik sandvik newton appl wrote articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain wrote spank wrong didn lord liar lunat origin lewi thi campollo fellow and isn clear connect absurd notion origin christian origen similar statement attribut anselm that understand case reason somewhat exalt post accept mean that statement can properli analys thi venu bill
alt.atheism	thought christian mccreari edm twisto compaq wrote apr gmt bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain articl ofnwyg voa andrew cmu edu andrew cmu edu patrick leger write hear baptism birth that isn prei young don that prai young prei young come bright ei altar boi find priest wear that chasibl thi statement atheist sure not intend wit bill
alt.atheism	thought christian kent sandvik sandvik newton appl wrote thi good point averag peopl not christian fear escap quit simpli improv social life involv american cultur kid immigr for exampl sinc overwhelm major religion western world form simpli choic peopl bore and want live not somethong ordinari weak long doesn hurt social pressur import factor for major passiv christian world todai case earli christian promis heavenli afterlif independ your social statu promis gift reason slave and roman accept religion rapidli thi hypothet proposit you fact you cite your sourc thi amateur sociologist sub branch suffic alert unwari that you screw bill
alt.atheism	nicknam maddi hausmann madhau netcom wrote jcopelan nyx edu and write start poster annoi bobbi bill your command bill shit stirrer connor bobbi circular mozumd not nom net exactli come close wade make insight dead monei repsons agre that get stir character respond kinder you insist surpris find that offend case unavoid for fair import check contribut haven gener and patient verit paragon gentil btw don mind pair bobbi admir tenac you thi hostil environ you offens read your post love and kiss bill name conner not connor point humili innoc
alt.atheism	islam author women keith ryan kmr cwru edu wrote nice cop bill you idea you refer you mind explain cop bill
alt.atheism	death penalti polit atheist thi fascin atheist argu for abort defend homosexu mean popul control insist that valu biolog and condemn war and capit punish benedikt contardictori cannot exist thi case mean atheist suppos understand atheist can object war excel mean control popul growth capit punish logic escap and capit punish question proprieti kill punish basi ecomplaint bill
alt.atheism	american and evolut robert singleton bob thnext mit edu wrote isn mutual exclus lend weight increas notion run estim posterior probabl atheist pitch partit and necessarili reduc quantiti theist pitch thi divin compon fall prei ockham razor phenomenon satisfactorili explain and independ evid such compon detail post occam razor not law natur analyz argument even interest cite and end odd that religion simultan condemn primit simpl mind and unscientif anti intellectu and childish and condemn complex occam razor scientif explan thing straightforeward and appar simpler essenti and you that even scientist don fulli comprehend scienc due complex and divers william occam perform lobotomi frontal lobe and thrown thi confus you will straighten tough bill
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost timmbak mcl ucsb edu bake timmon write you disprov thing you fail nail post claim that believ possibl god exist god not exist don attack strong atheism sinc guess you below that make weak atheist snip you reason gui not honest and includ sentenc that honest end that swear hmmmm recogn warn sign altern polit and rude come into newsgroup huge chip shoulder call peopl name and make nice whirrr click whirrr clam bake timmon bill shit stirrer connor whirr click whirr frank dwyer contain that shell pop stack determin whirr click whirr killfil keith allen schneider frank closet theist dwyer mind reel bobbi mozumd maddi hausmann madhau netcom centigram commun corp san jose california kid don thi home rememb post profession
alt.atheism	death penalti polit athei articl apr abo mandtbacka finabo abo mat andtbacka write rusnew manti mathew write noam chomski read thi wrong talk outright govern control media aka censorship doesn quick stop shop refer work that short argu for manufactur consent film media you altern movi sourc thi book your local altern theatr contact film transit intern sale jan rofekamp notr dame montreal quebec canada tel fax telex filmtransmtl reader call zeitgeist film shamim moham uunet noao cmcl arizona shamim shamim arizona edu thi cross and garlic mezuzah jewish page koran muslim and zen buddhist you your member leagu for program freedom write lpf uunet net
alt.atheism	request articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain subject request date apr gmt articl qllg mailer fsu edu mayn fsu edu write excess stuff delet that local church elder get revel god devast quak schedul level area independ corrobor friend appar had similar revel quak fact respons request lot seek sign god verac vision thi terribl interest for amount stir creat area peopl take claim make plan target date local religi radio station devot hour discuss topic even call live broadcast host that full account convers provid famili and surviv devast and ruin that will invari follow quak bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea similar incid year ago climatologist ithink that profess name iben brown predict that earthquak hit madrid fault dec school missouri that fault line cancel school for dai peopl evacu madrid and town teh wouldn supris journalist area resid teh earthquak never occur us live southern illinoi and lican middl school built directli fault line had school laugh poor idiot believ predict bob you want excus convert christian you gonna tammi trim heali
alt.atheism	studi book mormon articl snx enkidu mic agrino enkidu mic andr grino brandt write agrino enkidu mic andr grino brandt subject studi book mormon date sun apr cst don mormon and want independ studi book mormon don bui offici stori gold origin heaven haven read book mormon work learn biblic hebrew will comment result studi style vocabulari place name intern consist and for exampl evid for writer multipl writer mention event place histor person discov archeologist collen andr grino brandt casilla santiago agrino enkidu mic chile hai ma realidad que realidad razon profeta don book mormon supposedli translat biblic hebrew read that prophet joseph smith traslat gold tablet sort egyptian ish languag mormon post tammi trim heali
alt.atheism	societ basi for moral articl prv new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb wrote expect follow notion societ mandat moral pardon extrem couldn murder your brother and that exercis right felt good didn want forc moral don follow your moral good statement appli empir measur defin exact social moral moral base social rule ancient religi doctrin will never common and singl denomin for defin moral and such defin absolut and object moral doom fail long human thi incred talent creativ think cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	genocid caus atheism articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice wrote fred problem such reason that for believ measur tool state that person real muslim christian person not such tool and religion misus power and make bad show sore point religion word show movement that can spin khomeini stalin davidian hussein don such system exist reason for that condit free will human free will can li and half truth system and abus for end don such tool exist addit such thing object inform togeth religion and doctrin freeli misus purpos thi remind descart whisper deamon you can trust bother cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl pxq darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner wrote for your question moral free agenc christian posit freedom acknowledg god moral practic direct outgrowth excercis that freedom you free ignor god you free ignor graviti and consequ inevit and case that atheist can accept evid mean that prefer not accept noth evid agre had hard feel not believ grand grand mother told elv danc barn earli morn prefer not accept even statement provid truth life hard cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl mvo blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde wrote articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write read thi group benefit know deviant view articul not true view khomeini basic principl islam point view atheist you claim khomeini wasn practic true islam that you member group suppos you two true muslim fred rice answer thi earli post problem your argument that you not real believ and fake thi person and god your assumpt that claim believ believ not necessarili true word that defin true and fals muslim back squar khomeini and hussein innoc and can defin evil good islam worshipp cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	islam author women articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice wrote problem your argument that you not real believ and fake thi person and god your assumpt that claim believ believ not necessarili true that leav door total open for khomeini hussein rest consid true muslim and you can judg thi god and person you appli your rule atheist agnost you don belief thi and god hoopla khomeini not real muslim and hoopla atheist not real human be cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	suggest for resourc faq date mon apr gmt bruce stephen bruce liverpool good book summar and compar religion good confess don that check faq had alert reader list book suffer christian base agre that traffic thi natur islam refer good overview nice book present fairli unbias account religion call man religion john noss textbook class had compar religion such thing decent bibliographi each chapter jump point for read doesn compar religion directli describ each individu and note similar noth read even remot describ preachi christian base fact christian mercifulli consum page book divid major region world biggi began india east asia east noth world religion aztec maya inca etc stuff peopl kill each nowadai and older religion snuf you stuff coupl book call ancient east jame pritchard pretti cool epic gilgamesh code hammurabi stuff back men god and god men essenti read for wish make religion and make sound real good
alt.atheism	amus atheist and agnost date apr gmt bake timmon timmbak mcl ucsb edu atheist time hand apolog didn bother read faq and fire imprecis flame that inexcus nicknam bake flamethrow timmon you weren koresh compound noon todai chanc you rememb koresh dri for your sin and pass that beef jerki umm umm
alt.atheism	object valu scientif accuraci year can that christian moral articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti wrote lpzsml unicorn nott steve lang write valu can refer mean for exampl comput scienc true and fals not lisp true you defin statement that defin polar and state consid polar mean nil fals true cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	mari fault dfuller portal videocart dave fuller write nice attempt chri verrri close you miss conspiraci step joseph knew knock couldn that mari prego that wouldn for popular local circl happen that feel guilti feel embarrass and decid improv imag downfal for clever come gain respect for coupl joseph and mari receiv prais paid jesu lucki for that babi didn obviou deform mari get pregnant wedlock save face and joseph that god that pregnant and babi turn deform even wors stillborn lot explain dave buckminst fuller that keeper nicknam nanci you and author thi quot send email andrew cmu edu life not ceas funni peopl die ceas peopl laugh
alt.atheism	islam and scientif predict articl nrl navi mil khan itd itd nrl navi mil umar khan write man centuri arabia not includ holi qur assum had author judg qur not mutton head argument wade todai lot book written thi subject book can speak eloqu hope bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr bnr rashid write not thi charg shatim appli rushdi and encompass umbrella fasad rule defin word shatim and fasad you us john david munch jmunch hertz ele calpoli edu heart can chang full hate love peopl allow base live heart can happen danger situat opinion bobbi mozumd describ problem atheism
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi anecdot islam articl apr nott eczcaw mip nott wainwright write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write author refer author world islam commun point simpli that islam law appli muslim wherev despit fact that islam law not enforc islam countri muslim resid decid islam commun rule legal consequ isl not decis rule legal consequ islam law and not law thi obviou enforc judgment distinct make judgment for exampl judgment world court thi internation recogn tribun judgment physic econom effect import despit fact that judgment cannot enforc person excommun similar decid mete violent law such fatwa break law and person such liabl prosecut you read thi thread thi post ignor countri law prefer religi law not indigen countri question absurd and arrog notion sort anarch anarch explicitli islam you for your reason respons besid point make thi thread gregg
alt.atheism	jewish settler demolish mosqu gaza iwxm new chalmer bertil dtek chalmer bertil jonel write articl kutluk ccl umist kutluk ccl umist kutluk ozguven write atheist not mention quran quran point view and minut reason can that such thing peopl that atheist aren atheist quran word din mean individu think behav commun order and protocol base set belief thi interpret weaker term religion atheist not mention quran jew mushriqin christian etc din din you set belief assumpt etc forma social code for exampl marxist such histori conflict etc that not put idol sometim repres assupt not mean mushriq roughli polytheist cannot social atheism commun that commun common idea standard belief coordin societi inscrib assumpt nation progress natur consequ human activ parlamentarian democraci doubtlessli govern individu insist not god quran point view definit atheism not exist atheist societi fact mean reject din our atheism can exist peopl reject idol god dogma supposit societi that part and that case that person deviat belief and quran tell such deviat and disbelief mention quran point thing atheism macro level minut kutluk
alt.atheism	nostalgia recent rise nostalgia thi group combin incred level utter bullshit prompt comb archiv and pull alt atheism for your read pleasur post coupl dai group concensu demand that stop run good materi haven care past save attribut come john johnson correct wrong thi longest entir collect that propheci fulfil christian religion and judg claim import claim fulfil earlier jewish propheci scribe matthew perhap eager draw think prophet answer career jesu nazareth you will matthew main strategi testament passag not even promis messiah and appli circumst testament bear mind question authent account sinc gospel written year jesu execut not happen exactli state for purpos analysi will claim face immanuel begin begin mari will bear son and you joseph will name jesu mean salvat for will save peopl sin thi happen fulfil lord had spoken prophet isaiah dai ahaz bce king judah rezin syria and pekah israel made war jerusalem capitol judah not quit conquer hous david ahaz and court judah told thi heart and heart peopl shook and lord isaiah meet ahaz and lord spoke ahaz prophet isaiah natur sign your lord can deep sheol high heaven ahaz won will not put lord test isaiah hear hous david not for you weari men that you weari god lord will give you sign behold young woman child and will bear son and name immanuel mean will eat curd and honei refus evil and choos good for child refus evil and choos good land two king you dread will desert matthew home sentenc that ital hebrew word almah young woman specif virgin thi not propheci messiah not propheci event happen year not propheci virgin bethulah mother short not jesu matthew made us vers context and make fit specif case mari note that want read propheci gener manner gener can made fit mari mari virgin not young woman child fit shadi and problem jesu thought christian walk men never call name immanuel christian wish claim thi propheci for jesu becom cut and past propheci second class propheci not convinc egypt jesu birth bethlehem matthew tell quick and unment excurs egypt wish liken jesu mose thi escap alleg infanticid rampag king herod and remain death herod thi fulfil lord had spoken egypt cal led son lord thi hosea israel child love and egypt call son call peopl sacrif al and burn incens idol matthew conveni omit rest hosea oracl israel that onc call egypt want return thi histori jesu not spoken and draw kind parallel wind jesu that flee and resist thi propheci not convinc matthew had hope rachel weep jesu vacat egypt matthew that king herod sought kill and order execut young male children matthew write thi that spoken prophet jeremiah fulfil voic heard ramah wail and loud lament rachel weep for children refus consol refer passag jeremiah refer carri israel into exil sargon assyria bce rachel ancestor major tribe israel ephraim and manasseh weep for descend metaphor sinc rachel live and di hebrew even egyptian exil interest note that leah not rachel ancestor judean land jesu and bethlehem weep for children leah connexion that rachel bethlehem that legend that buri north citi ephrath bethlehem for herod and infanticid that such event occur never event not mention allud anywher bibl mention secular record time herod unlik reign and evil deed herod carefulli record thi prime exampl event ad jesu life enhanc messag church gospel stori similar tale infant mose egypt highli like that devic set matthew add prophet artifici approv jesu not surpris that matthew conveni neglect mention rest jeremiah quot children prophet speak not dead exil assyrian empir comfort weep rachel that children will return will gather back togeth thi not suit matthew purpos children speak dead for good propheci matthew set not even that and bother check not convinc nazaren not even chapter find anoth matthean propheci leav egypt joseph wife infant jesu live citi nazareth that spoken prophet fulfil call nazaren thing notic that matthew not mention name prophet thi time second messian propheci speak nazaren wors propheci period mention nazaren wors nazaren mention testament book judg angel tell samson mother that will judg conceiv and bear son razor tough head for will nazirit god dai birth will deliv israel hand philistin thi not propheci jesu messiah that can found matthew begun overboard cut and past propheci that simpl make bear diseas jesu heal peopl physic ill and disabl thi fulfil spoken prophet isaiah infirm and bore diseas expect vers quot isaiah quot context and word skew fit christian scheme sure suffer servant born sick and carri pain read surround passag isaiah that prophet speak present tens collect nation israel jehovah chosen servant and peopl speak israelit suffer exil voic gentil nation that thi imag deepli ingrain jewish ident imag chastis cherish israel instrument nation salvat vers speak israel take sick liter and metaphor manifest guilt and disciplin not speak servant and heal peopl notic that servant isaiah take sick and pain nation and individu jew jesu not diseas vers isaiah not propheci come that had happen believ that jesu etern punish hell not bear ill heal want that figur jesu reenact deed israel spiritu aton admit that matthew parallel miss intend effect silent messiah heal multitud common that jesu order quiet presum that wouldn arous attent local ruler thi fulfil spoken prophet isaiah behold servant chosen belov soul pleas will put spirit and will announc justic gentil will not wrangl cry aloud will hear voic street will not break bruis reed quench smolder wick bring justic victori and gentil will hope name isaiah passag quot read behold servant uphold chosen soul delight put spirit and will bring justic nation will not cry lift voic make heard street will not break bruis reed quench smolder wick will faithfulli bring justic will not fail burn dimli discourag bruis establish justic earth and coastland await law you matthew conveni left part passag not suit deal jesu christian never jesu fail never light mankind burn dimli servant nation israel will come end job gentil come embrac will longer chosen peopl will children end phrase chang judaic coastland await law christolog gentil will hope name origin proclaim torah law jehovah rewrit fit strang doctrin believ name doubt servant refer not jesu read chapter isaiah and hear belov blind and imperfect servant peopl rob and plunder that matthew attempt propheci examin crumbl dai and night come propheci supposedli utter mouth god jesu speak crucifixion and resurrect for jonah belli whale for dai and night will son man heart earth dai and night discuss can occur jew understood dai dai name each hour long last sunset sunset refer dai period light end sunset time scale sabbath dai began fridai even and last saturdai even thi jew celebr sabbath daylight portion saturdai sundai real miracl that christian didn forget that saturdai seventh and last dai week dai and night refer togeth hour daylight portion and hour night period spoken jesu that will grave hell unresurrect for dai and night good book tell jesu crucifi ninth hour fridai afternoon put into grave that jesu left grave rose dawn call sundai dawn sabbath thi mean that jesu time for clariti grave fridai night time sundai morn add time fridai sinc bibl not specif thi mean jewish time that grave for dai two night and possibl coupl hour dai thi problem for jesu predict absolut even death involv dai and night even modern time measur led suspect that thi error anoth matthew mistak and that gospel writer put fals word into god mouth and matter made predict unconvinc counter convinc hear understand jesu tool habit speak vast audienc parabl stori deeper mean found you elect chosen understand messag jesu reason that can understand parabl peopl cannot understand bother sinc will not accept plain messag matthew audienc fulfil propheci isaiah you will hear never understand and you will never perceiv thi peopl heart grown dull ear heavi hear and shut ey not perceiv ear and understand heart and turn for heal origin isaiah passag part earlier work call ministri thi bce israel flourish fall author assyria isaiah see good time end and vision call bring reform israel and judah and and thi peopl hear and hear not understand and not perceiv make heart thi peopl fat make ear heavi and shut ey will not ey hear ear and understand heart and turn and heal isaiah long lord and citi lie wast inhabit and hous men and land utterli desol and men and forsaken place land and tenth will remain will burn terebinth oak stump stand tree fell holi seed stump that peopl israel stop listen prophet warn reaffirm promis made solomon and david seed lineag you read rest isaiah you find that thi fulfil plan us israel servant light nation isaiah that matthew cut and past portion isaiah vers suit gospel that alter word make fit peopl didn understand jesu stori and isaiah vers not propheci command present onc matthew propheci fall flat face matthew make jesu parabl prophet approv noth parabl thi fulfil spoken prophet will open mouth parabl will utter that hidden sinc foundat world matthew botch attempt quot not prophet psalm will open mouth parabl will utter dark sai thing that heard and thing that father told will not hide children come gener gloriou deed lord point vers psalm not come prophet you want that earlier copi matthew gospel even insert isaiah name thi prophet appar scribe caught error and cover perhap signific part thi that onc matthew alter testament scriptur jesu earlier speak parabl that will not understand parabl psalm not hidden speak thing that father told jesu deal thing hidden sinc foundat world jesu dealt lot secreci and confus thi direct opposit parabl psalm matthew had rewrit and onc matthew artifici propheci fall flat face christian rare thi matthew propheci aren thing christian that begin bad excus faith that discipl cast demon case not know epilepsi peopl thought diseas posses demon that discipl unabl dispossess epilept jesu perhap enlighten report rebuk didn faith thi strang thi demon special that true believ faith not appar faith will move mountain you will find dai that can move real mountain part sea miracl charismat can speak rumour happen trip mexico farawai place major miracl make woman arthriti feel sundai morn and god includ jesu shroud ancient lore and write protect skeptic sacr past dead sleep hide heaven peopl rumour immin return and great miracl dai long life tale mystic stori miracl distant time distant place god us reveal men dai jehovah silent theologian give excus don god anymor lazi not zealou sin plan put demand appear had faith will meet term even piou men not you dear reader not not liter you that true that presumptu and bold search your heart you mean that religion make peopl feel good and content not faith not merit sometim love peopl you worship live peopl chang that peopl lull sleep satisfi turn into everydai sight that not speak not peopl us world that good compass human heart love and men and women forgiv practis christian atheist alik beauti creat mind man thing that thi faith jesu ride ass shortli accept role jewish messiah king jesu request donkei brought for ride into jerusalem thi place fulfil spoken prophet daughter zion behold your king come you humbl mount ass and ass colt passag quot zechariah read differ your king come you triumphant and victori humbl and ride ass ass colt will command peac nation isn that differ that zechariah involv anim ass colt matthew read poetic word slightli differ jesu call for colt and adult ass matthew version comic pictur divin christ sweat straddl two donkei thi inevit lead theolog proctolog dilemma find that account written earlier mark colt call for and brought jesu thi fit vers zechariah properli and show that matthew attempt us prophet vers bungl exclud respect christian met notic that christ thought ridden ass situat revers nowadai enter jerusalem templ priest anger peopl and youngster call jesu messiah jesu repli expect matthew haven you read mouth babe and suckl thou brought perfect prais like that matthew made thi respons sinc jesu never point such prophet thing and sinc expect quot error fit matthew track record quit jesu matthew haven you read for sourc read psalm yahweh lord majest your name world you glori chant heaven babe and infant you found bulwark your foe enemi and aveng passag comment perfect prais spoken psalm and prais not messiah king and not jesu mention case matthew pen make conveni prophet scriptur yhvh lord jesu ask promis jewish messiah king descend jew agre king david jesu counter quot psalm lord lord sit hand put your enemi your feet face jesu deni necess david descent assum opposit answer christian answer that agre make hidden point reveal mysteri divin natur messiah king tempt thi christian and not interest matter investig problem jesu time psalm thought messiah and easi david refer messiah superior scriptur messiah that expect great king bring jew time even david rule jew listen had good answer and passag refer divin messiah such christian worship problem li mean thi psalm error that appar jew jesu time had made rememb that faction jew result expect messiah king jesu appar adventist audienc thought messiah advent immin and interpret psalm messian problem psalm liter read yhvh utter lord sit hand make your enemi your footstool yhvh send your mighti scepter zion rule midst your foe your peopl will offer freeli dai you lead your host holi mountain you priest order melchizedek forev word lord mistakenli capitalis christian bibl denot divin thi lord hebrew word adoni and capitalis exist adoni simpli mean lord gener term us us scriptur refer king and address respect noth text impli that word refer divin messiah king that thi suppos written david not titl psalm translat psalm david psalm david fit assum written court poet david coven and endors psalm had written david that talk messiah idea perfect king descend david not present david ag extens tale david do and sai includ prais messiah psalm show evid written long david dead time exil had put show favour for david kingdom hold descript psalm fit david david promis rise power victori enemi success judgement nation conquer achiev priesthood common melchizedek righteou king enabl bless peopl fit not blame thi problem matthew alon not artifici propheci allud us scriptur question thi event common gospel matthew easili thi time interest note matthew dress event earlier gospel mark tell tale jesu simpli speak crowd matthew pharise religi competit infant christian target jesu question expect matthew write that event end embarrass pharise such power pen mose jesu had togeth leav gospel stori matthew momentarili pseudo propheci john gospel gospel stori john deserv special treatment remov real event jesu career told even matthew for moment will vers earli church leader found religion jewish hope messiah king and artifici extens origin promis made construct histori abraham mose wrote promis land and nationhood jewish peopl thi accomplish eventu rule king david christian decid that claim fulfil promis expand promis preach heavenli kingdom john speak your father abraham rejoic dai and glad nice tie approv for jesu abraham abraham knew noth jesu messiah christian and fail find event testament correspond john propheci par for john make testament back forerunn matthew christian that faith foundat such fraud and surpris cling potter field told that jesu betrai jerusalem follow juda iscariot matthew write and throw piec silver templ juda depart chief priest take silver isn law for put treasuri sinc blood monei bought potter field buri stranger fulfil spoken prophet jeremiah and thirti piec silver price price had set son israel and gave for potter field lord direct thi propheci utterli gross bastardis testament scriptur matthew made mistak name prophet zechariah utter vers matthew make us zech and weigh wage thirti shekel silver yhvh cast treasuri lordli price paid thirti shekel silver and cast into treasuri hous yhvh vers zechariah not deal betray messiah deal shepherd like priest chosen serv function presid peopl shortli send judah and israel into conflict anoth word treasuri had replac king jame scholar potter precis thi made matthew quot fit thi blatant error correct translat hebrew treasuri make perfect sens zechariah context potter field total unrel whether mistransl intent not specul matthew track record find hard resist notion intent dishonesti matthew ampl reason for alter text thirti piec silver match juda situat and christian reader will disregard contextu incongru matthew anoth propheci toss correct translat zechariah directli contradict situat juda and high priest high priest not put monei treasuri worthless shepherd zechariah exactli opposit averag thursdai night bibl student propheci present matthew testament face matthew work convinc wine vinegar cast lot jesu led crucifi gave vinegar drink mingl gall tast not drink and had crucifi divid garment cast lot that fulfil spoken prophet part garment and vestur cast lot vinegar offer jesu common sour wine type that roman soldier drank regularli find that jesu di soldier give drink not pollut gall jesu thirst bowl vinegar stood put spong full vinegar hyssop and held mouth had receiv vinegar finish matthew draw not passag prophet psalm look for piti and for comfort found gave poison for food lit put gall meat and for thirst gave vinegar drink add punish punish acquitt thee blot book live sour wine offer jesu request drink thi show piti psalm quot david and polit and militari enemi not messiah jesu not surpris that run into problem that jesu psalm ask for damnat crucifi jesu gospel jesu father forgiv don matthew miss attempt creat propheci gall bitter substanc put into jesu drink not meat psalm stipul propheci vinegar faulti natur cast lot thi bring psalm deserv discuss suffic that fact that jesu cloth divid told great thing turn that thi happen felon dai will perhap erron passag psalm appli jesu bring interest question qualiti jesu cloth for man remov worldli possess ownership cloth worthi cast lot rais suspicion psalm thi psalm attribut david lament condit attack enemi becom song prais yhvh and hope context part fit plight jesu crucifixion quit will examin primari passag vers god god you forsaken you help word groan god cry dai you don answer and night find rest jesu cri sentenc cross thi suggest that psalm jesu king david rest stanza not fit nice jesu execut jesu not pictur complain ordeal suppos lamb led mute shearer jesu doesn groan even cross not cry dai and night cross worm and man scorn men mock make face and wag head commit yhvh deliv for delight thi fit jesu execut pretti except holi messiah call worm bull encompass open mouth wide raven and roar lion yea dog round compani evildo encir cle pierc hand and feet can bone divid garment and cast lost for raiment you yhvh not deliv soul sword life power dog save mouth lion and afflict soul horn wild bull quit convinc and earli christian father wrote thi propheci thought thi propheci fatal flaw word pierc not exist psalm correct hebrew translat yea dog round compani evildo encircl lion hand and feet hebrew phrase lion and rare verb form can mean pierc differ phonet charact word hebrew text liter lion ari make sens context and even fit anim imageri emploi psalm writer conveni that urg christian chang word aru add need artifici weight propheci thi christian translat chosen correct translat not elimin psalm refer jesu absenc not for honesti translat apart erron vers psalm not lend jesu easili vers speak suffer save sword cross thi natur fit psalm true subject king david side note that crucifixion not pierc hand palm forearm thi doesn favour tradit thought resurrect jesu show discipl scar palm fact aren bound religi belief matthew escap culpabl thi time not attempt draw direct link thi psalm and lord jesu psalm mind gospel writer compil stori and interpret jesu life and death scriptur contribut written question that repercuss for christian theologi easi for not faith fundamentalist event testament enhanc scribe such eager matthew specul simpli investig scriptur matter and prophet claim thi not good thing for matthew refer pierc lot jesu crucifixion john gospel recount written year fact tell jesu execut soldier pierc side spear and blood and water thing place that scriptur fulfil will pierc thi built passag blatantli context prophet zechariah tell nation israel will split jerusalem and judah and war and yhvh will give victori judah and that dai will seek destroi nation that come jerusalem judah and will pour spirit compass and supplic jerusalem that pierc will mourn and weep bitterli you weep firstborn child john attempt make propheci perhap weaker that matthew attempt matthew excontext passag john error grossli obviou and blatant not speak for gospel writer help show prophet aspect religion found reckon transgressor arrest jesu quickli execut for claim jewish kingship messiahship version gospel tale jesu get execut two thiev and crucifi two robber left and scriptur fulfil reckon transgressor mark link jesu passag isaiah servant nation israel passag not messiah for read chapter isaiah and surround chapter see that servant nation vers thi servant past not predict come event servant thought crimin thi happen fit descript jesu had passag messiah not clear execut jesu two thiev fulfil propheci isaiah jesu fittingli fulfil ministri consid blasphem and troublemak career lock singl event poor steal propheci thi case that mark had made analog gener comparison mark crucifi jesu revil thi expect coupl robber recount luke decid chang thing luke tell and crimin hang rail aren you messiah save and thi fit mark recount tell peopl crucifi jesu save and that robber luke crimin rebuk don you fear sinc you sentenc condemn and justli for receiv due reward for deed thi man noth wrong and jesu rememb you come your kingdom and jesu answer verili you todai you will paradis thi dialogu highli contriv stretch imagin bit thi pictur ruffian rebuk fellow crimin such eloqu speech strang pictur crimin lament good punish and just suffer such man appar nobl and principl doesn like robber amount theatric creat luke luke recount disagre mark luke crimin revil jesu not easi discount discrep account made part error free word not thi avenu open thi anoth exampl writer testament passag and expand and reinterpret suit theologi thi case embroideri creat embarrass problem end world come perhap extraordinari and embarrass passag testament found synopt gospel stori and cast unfavour doubt theori christian jesu mention destruct jewish templ and build and discipl thi and end world warn discipl will thi templ destruct and will sign your come and close ag jesu care that lead you astrai for will come name christ you will hear war and rumour war for thi place end not for nation will rise nation thi begin birthpang will deliv you put you death and fals prophet will aris and lead astrai endur end will save thi gospel will preach world testimoni nation and end will come you desol spoken prophet daniel judea flee mountain immedi tribul dai sun will darken star will fall heaven will sign son man heaven and tribe earth will mourn and son man come and will send angel and gather elect learn lesson fig tree branch becom tender and put leav you that summer you thing you will that gate you thi gener will not pass thing place dai and hour not angel not son father you readi for son man come hour you not expect thi clear that jesu thought world lifetim discipl tell that doesn exact dai hour that will come and readi theologian wet pant panic find thi holi error jesu made explicit told discipl that gener end and that prepar for prepar swept resort remov inerr natur bibl and that phrase thi gener not pass mean thi race peopl will not pass word for gener us time refer exactli that gener discipl interest notion that god decid learn greek didn learn make clear quit obviou rest dialogu that discipl suppos live end world charg mistransl complet blown apostl respons becom abundantli clear rev peter john and rev that jesu meant exactli end for year christian rationalis thi chapter matthew mean altogeth for year wait for execut leader come back hear war and rumour war that come sure wait can you imagin tire sit holi wait for moment spring shortli crucifixion jesu nazareth joshua ben joseph di that dai dai and night period time etern second can decid make for troubl resurrect glow divin radianc saviour decid wasn interest religion stick and disappear sight into heaven stori thing attribut jesu peopl write gospel stori jesu fulfil propheci and scriptur that thi matter quit shaki church histori christian held fast faith simpl belief doctrin object not solv argument brute forc faith and forget question question and investig never easiest treat matter for year propheci cite testament larg accept thing continu that for time paus moment doctrin christian accept and us properli improperli support war and persecut suppos propheci christian can secur hold jesu don that come bring peac earth haven come bring peac sword
alt.atheism	thought bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write want start and that christian make sens you read toni campollo book liar lunat real thing titl write book part effort destroi christian process christian assum you post encourag comment histori toni campello read not arguement sum book whether jesu god not you don listen perspect for gain listen good hear that reason christian christian scientist note australia strong movement bunch christian scientist that singl event bibl exactli true and that ration explan for that can justifi law physic for exampl chap prove that ag univers year and that error convent calcul result fact that speed light rapidli decai year and thi not account for book that jesu liar crazi modern dai koresh that never exist and bibl stori and never intend becom manifesto for billion peopl toni follow that reason wouldn liar follow die for lie wouldn peopl liar peopl gather and gather hear had heal million peopl di for lie thi point difficult substanti sinc not defin great religi argument work that aztec warrior sacrif god belief that thi act bring victori spanish invad list endless aztec lost btw call fool heal peopl that perfectli reason not ground for becom christian point not add weight claim that jesu real thing niether lunat entir nation drawn crazi doubt fact redicul for exampl drawn david koresh fool logic peopl thi you documentari rise nazi germani point toni mention thi call werner heisenberg and colleagu fool illog men support hitler base presum emot issu ration agreement principl argument invalid toni thought that hitler sane sinc wasn liar lunat real thing hmmm don argument warrant us thing note fulfil load propheci psalm isaiah and hr alon thi betray and crucifixion don bibl thi moment time write will us thi alot religi discuss had peopl result quot bibl reason peopl can bibl treat stori sort metaphor represent messag that author present interpret part bibl liter will end sort shit toni argument perfectli reason for peopl event describ bibl place convinc think bibl total fiction that jesu real quot book total pointless for exampl mathemat you cannot equal equal don peopl understand christian that possibl explain peopl kill religi war and hundr version claim correct not lot church life and total sacrafic for god sake love die and save hei can god inspir turn live that tuff and peopl don want real christian for strong persever weight lift guitar plai drum take time don rush dai christian your life not church onc week help poor peopl onc box into time unit such work thi time sport social life god box and carri into box that creat for ourselv you post thi part alt religion you flame never understood emot sentiment stranger interest peopl famou that two evil life polititian and church rule fear live fear dead press find exact quotat cheer charl
alt.atheism	bibl quiz articl apr ccsua ctstateu edu kellyb ccsua ctstateu edu wrote articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write sun start orbit earth will accept bibl sinc atheism mean trash religion god inbreed you son that witti sig file sum great deal atheist thought imo simpl sentenc atheism isn religion steve mullin vo stratu man empti purs into opinion stratu opinion head can benjamin franklin
alt.atheism	islam and scientif predict articl nrl navi mil khan itd itd nrl navi mil umar khan write strongli suggest that you book call bibl quran and scienc mauric baucail french surgeon not comprehens research imagin your librari can for you interlibrari loan hold time read short baucail began investig bibl pre ceiv scientif inaccuraci and inconsist assum that problem caus poor translat dai read find hebrew greek arama found that problem didn wors decid religion had problem pick holi qur french and found similar prob lem not appli logoic had bibl learn read arab problem had found french version arab unabl find wealth scientif statement holi qur find made sens modern understand investig tradit hadith had scienc fill scienc problem contemporari narr time had pour standard primit world view conclus that impress that holi qur had scienc accur impress that holi qur not rampant error evidenc tradit man centuri arabia not includ holi qur assum had author short writer writer quran decid stai scienc you not open your mouth you don put you foot into your mouth you quran not talk scienc can not make claim bobbi that you great scienc quran basic want that religi text suppos scientif treatis request theist stop make such wild claim vinayak vinayak dutt mail vdp mayo edu standard disclaim appli
alt.atheism	bibl contradict list bibl contadict you dispit free christian vers bibl
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl jt new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write atheism base ignor ignor exist god don fall into atheist don pride mistak you base ignor couldn that wrong wrong fall into trap that you mention wrong god free time correct mistak that continu not supposedli proclaim undi love for etern soul speak volum for trap you not posit that don god not you can motiv you that earnestli search for god for year and never found bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea
alt.atheism	silli question tianiti articl pww spac rice edu pww spacsun rice edu peter walker write pww spacsun rice edu peter walker subject silli question tianiti date mon apr gmt articl qaqi inngj gap caltech edu werdna cco caltech edu andrew tong wrote
alt.atheism	islam and scientif predict umar khan khan itd itd nrl navi mil wrote strongli suggest that you book call bibl quran and scienc mauric baucail french surgeon not comprehens unabl find wealth scientif statement holi qur find made sens modern understand investig tradit hadith had scienc fill scienc problem contemporari narr time had pour standard primit world view conclus that impress that holi qur had scienc accur impress that holi qur not rampant error evidenc tradit man centuri arabia not includ holi qur assum had author thi book worth read sensibl view thi issu book two section section contain fairli reason analysi bibl show inconsist bibl and modern scienc that surpris section analys koran version testament stori and face present good case show koran consist modern scienc plain that thi consist vagu phraseolog koran flood for exampl bibl full detail forti dai and forti night pair anim etc thi nonsens koran descript event obscur make interpret such big river flood for dai and caus damag contradict not fact koran consist modern scienc consist due vagu compar book that time not achiev book conclud koran had divin inspir time written lot ridicul idea univers and can found koran argu for great book talk not absurd extrem memori miss point leonard mail newnham bradford
alt.atheism	bibl and abort jame lippard lippard skyblu ccit arizona edu wrote exodu and men struggl each and strike woman child that miscarriag injuri sure fine woman husband demand and pai judg decid injuri you appoint penalti life for life ey for ey tooth for tooth hand for hand foot for foot burn for burn wound for wound bruis for bruis straightforward interpret vers that men fight strike woman and miscarri penalti fine woman injur di lex talioni doctrin ey for ey appli thi jewish interpret and support jewish commentari vers thi quit embarrass for pro lifer christian altern explan altern interpret word miscarriag mean prematur birth child born aliv and injuri mean injuri woman fetu thi not straightforward interpret not support jewish commentari and not appear support part bibl histor refer abort thi time ancient jew refer understand abort ask not make point veil question understand medic procedur abort not surpris bibl make refer make refer nuclear power and contamin your interpret reason reason reject hand king jimmi translat mischief thi not necessarili impli woman wife expect and spontan abort feel that life not simpli process halt
alt.atheism	you will hell you blashephem you will hell for not believ god prepar for your etern damnat
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger wrote khomeini advoc view that seri twelv islam leader twelv imam free error sin thi make heret wow you quicker point heresi church middl ag even sheik azhar don claim that shi it heret accus and fabric shi it come saudi arabia wahabi for that matter you read origin work sunni imam imam madhab teacher two imam jafar sadiq sixth imam shi it plenti fals propaganda float shi it esp sinc revolut good work shi it present view and teach school make assumpt and alleg peopl thi group islam gener shi it
alt.atheism	note bobbi articl apr ultb isc rit edu snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write peopl not relig citi peopl that care for religion lot crime lot murder thi end lack religion that wrong happen live tokyo for year and half and reason intend back indefinit freedom enjoi can walk anywher and mean anywher time dai night and not feel uneasi even ethnic minor clue for bobbi bother tokyo citi and tokyo citi neglig level violent crime and street murder will lead item nation new iii popul almost univers atheist time for stroll beirut night you compar bobbi mozumd cheer simon simon clippingdal simon dc warwick depart comput scienc tel univers warwick fax coventri
alt.atheism	islam clearer view articl bafc dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write dbstu benedikt rosenau subject islam clearer view date tue apr gmt articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write gener accept that rise inquisit reason tortur introduc roman countri end middl ag word holi mother church lead infal holi ghost spread roman cathol church claim lead infal pope that church wick thing xtian and believ alik rational that pope speak cathedra infal base claim dogma pope jesuit origin and not accept mid last centuri benedikt you for enlighten tammi
alt.atheism	cannanit genocid bibl excus for ignor rememb read onc that biblic tribe philistin exist modern dai palestinian info post tammi
alt.atheism	get point reader ask you post list sda church fundament belief warn you long list post sundai sabbath come won read saturdai and don time greatli you touch hope you reast and relax weekend hope tammi
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi anecdot islam articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger wrote precis reject god and leav islam perfectli free muslim and doubt and question exist god long not reject god that rushdi made atheism clear front suffici number proper wit question regard legal issu statu time crime commit gregg you that rushdi left alon and normal life word islam support notion forgiv cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi anecdot islam articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger wrote state parallel thread not anarchist islam anarchist control thi not chang fact that for citizen resid violat islam law thi interest notion and scare case finnish citizen live usa and conform law finnish govern not activ check thi countri word check conform finnish law islam law curs that you world shade cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	object moral polit atheist articl qlf ginn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider wrote type moral you talk natur sens not immor harm anoth speci long doesn advers affect your guess heheh you thi object moral someher tell you that thi not case and you don rule such transcendent game system cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	free moral agenc and kent articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali wrote time ezekiel written israel apostaci and not mistaken tyre make war israel princ tyre human ruler tyre wick man call satan king tyre ezekiel that satan real ruler tyre tammi thi explicitli state bibl you assum that you that ezekiel indirectli mention anoth metaphor for instanc ezekiel mad landlord talk wrote princ tyre interpret mundan ezekiel wrote princ tyre wrote princ tyre cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
alt.atheism	sci skeptic religion alt atheism articl psuvm psu edu john johnson psuvm psu edu write standard group sci soc talk conform stricter rule establish and show volum post will ceas exist group reach site usenet alt group post opinion mathew suggest that alt atheism verg garbag post fundi and elev statu standard group and volum such post make unread tend agre start and watch grow root talk religion misc for atheist come forward past trash xian and such stabl core and frankli feel that thi group mainstream lot place and fuck fundi looni freshman will dump find jeesu and warn that hell want real alt fan brother jed and imagin that imbecil tirad will time post selfish find learn lot and isn bad brown and boobi distract that even bring leaven need offset greatli fear that mainstream basic put swamp level conner world regard dew dewei heniz sy net admin risc hardwar pager
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi thi part gregg not understand post give support bounti rushdi life that correct end point gregg concept legal western don accept comment islam law make great deal sens and even make sens person member group religion bind follow wai group bound group requir minimum big bone content that pick that west secular govern that maintain level control and requir requir option group major read thi thread tune note didn agreement idea that you final respons secular govern and that group group person chosen that mind not secular law legal peopl defin term hold person group onc decid separ secular author agre that requir sort contractu etc secular enforc allow group group member past group member religion can and and requir addit duti group member and can enforc fulfil duti wai ostrac common for exampl limit come enforc impos unwant and unaccept onu person conflict secular law thi differ theocraci requir secular author definit congruent religi author theocraci thi not necessarili true religi requir coincid not similiarli religi consequ not coincid secular consequ regard dew dewei heniz sy net admin risc hardwar pager
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr bnr rashid write delet fatwa level person rushdi action rushdi that feed situat contribut legitim rule book remain circul not independ will will author and publish fatwa person rushdi encompass action crime crime progress level and plai and plai full view media not thi charg shatim appli rushdi and encompass umbrella fasad rule thi ground firmli islam you claim you expos islam ground for terror plain and simpl whether you not whether rushdi act total jerk not accept civil basi for put fear life for word simpli not matter whether underli motiv find worst insult muslim and belief that you not threaten life for word you you quit simpli admit backruptci your posit you support threaten life for word you not civil thi exactli and peopl depart respect religion belief and encourag interpret kill physic opposit you privledg that whether rushdi bush hussien whover pale civil societi and you can condemn soul refus member your associ interact peacabl demonstr convinc disassoci miscreant short physic forc onc you physic threaten support physic threat you closer your earlier comparison rape you rapist whine ask for dress blame victim you unabl civil doesn fly dew dewei heniz sy net admin risc hardwar pager
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alt.atheism	death penalti gulf war articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write rush leland stanford edu voelkerd write articl apr seachg chrisb seachg chri blask write add thi outrag cost put death special cell block year court cost extra guard and benefit death penalti disappear that your earlier claim that innoc death overrid benefit tragic argument for death penalti war and worri accident kill civilian time determin enemi imperfect win war fortun think folk your good power and deem accept slaughter ten even hundr thousand iraqi order liber oil hkuwait won war hurrah hurrah number civilian iraqi death exagger and exploit for anti war emotion liber new media fact that iraqi di gulf war civilian war compar size thi centuri thi due short durat coupl precis surgic bomb techniqu technic recent idea that hundr thousand iraqi citizen di ludicr not even hundr thousand iraqi soldier di and target you that and alli specif kill and maim iraqi civilian smart bomb didn hit target and target civilian target condus destroi iraq militari potenti militari mission planner not fool hit militari target win war hit civilian target noth unit peopl you not laudabl goal peopl rise tyrant dictat innoc peopl di unarm civilian flee that road didn bomb bit perhap that kid half face burn and girl mangl leg weren guilti worth death innoc save oil hlive kuwaiti peopl isn iraqi not had chanc vote for saddam show accept regim not assassin that surrend and flee open road deviou ploi right bomb case find soldier innoc peopl di blanket bomb don hear you bemoan war never exact scienc smart bomb exact smaller percentag civilian casualti sometim mistak made target misidentifi innoc die that war altern tyrann dictat treat earth big rummag sale grab can wors patrick henri year ago not for give liberti give death war price will pai wish stai free death penalti conceiv deterr crime legal shenanigan that ad automat appeal lengthi court battl etc releg that purpos small part question instat death penalti meant and that deter crime rid reinstat death penalti that shit fair trial and court appeal get justic give polic absolut gun guilti and save ourselv expens lawyer knock benefit never had spend monei clean riot and hold showcas trial cop had allow job properli quick bullet head rodnei king and anoth for cameraman and save great deal unnecessari paperwork and expens polic decid man guilti that fact that death penalti shown not deterr effect imprison that irrelev mathew mathew your sarcasm note you complet base you come sound complet peac nik idiot feel that not your intent iraqi war wrong that appeas work war guess shouldn fought innoc german civilian kill dresden and hamburg poor french di crossfir invad contin hitler europ and you speak german english tyrant hussein stop kind don understand diplomaci understand point gun regret that bush wimp and didn militari roll into baghdad hussein power and iraqi peopl sacrific not mention american di for naught liber kuwait good thing wipe hussein map and for poor poor rodnei king you stop and juri trial brought back verdict not guilti foam mouth for blood policemen look video tape juri look evid evid you and not make judgment benefit trial evid can present side simpli lower level vigilant justic state mind your sarcasm seemingli spoke support case policemen law thi countri intend protect right accus whether crimin cop not found guilti reason doubt guilt and juri posit assess evid and render verdict simpli succumb verbal vigilant regard jim
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write articl apr andrew nrp andrew norman paterson write don you germani daughter born and don german right vote live right citizen british citizen virtu parentag that not full citizenship for exampl don children british virtu fairli that obtain citizenship make applic for requir immigr germani almost that onc appli for citizenship inevit thi case nope germani extrem restrict citizenship law ethnic german live russia for year automat becom citizen move germani turk gener germani can not good exampl show citizenship descent karl lastli come china hope you touch and you fulfil lifelong ambit your life will drop acid great wall duke pink floyd lie lie even billion peopl
alt.atheism	you will hell fri apr edt jsn psuvm psu edu you blashephem you will hell for not believ god prepar for your etern damnat hmm mst lunch box travel scrabbl and coupl keg bass al set mccreari edm twisto compaq not for laughter tao
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write assum that you religi law for follow religion that beg question religion defin follow even offend disagre religi law appli categor belong religion event judg appli thi prevent situat member religion charg claim that not member religion free noth had happen gregg
alt.atheism	anecdot islam articl dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write brutal system filter lenienc not lenient huh you rate public flog flog chop hand head bodi part stone don problem flog offend chanc chang behavior flog problem maim gener mean opinion not maim anoth maim case rape victim maim physic and emotion wouldn problem maim rapist wouldn problem maim murder you had opinion you muslim you don that rape and murder dealt lightli you interest lenienc for lenienc sake appar that peopl simpli told bad thing and simpl chanc misjudg misjudg avoid suspect that pretti that requir repeat offens that misjudg like orient not place singl charact your ignor expos nice read carefulli not orient show primit machism not us specif word orient your mind contain suffici inform detail not and europ show civil bullshit thi bullshit time put shut you substanti noth and blabber islamist talk west great satan you guilti stupid love compar such line common plea your fellow believ not call each name thi case substanti quran that beat wife into submiss care give chapter and vers discuss primit machism refer that misspelt that fault not orient follow qur you that you haven put islam express extramarit sex extramarit sex subset sex suppressedin islam that marial sexi allow encourag islam branch christian miss point read part urg for sex religion that run tell peopl sex not piec cake for two reason suppress strong urg strong measur and not busi you thought you make argument read opinion argument that you doubt valid premis not chang you want critic time for you put shut thi argument for you don religion that suppress sex such irrelev argument you gener object statement fine respons you reason for your statement that sex not busi religion your argument urg for sex adolesc not strong that overli strong measur requir suppress urg sex strong adult that adult can make commensur effort find marriag partner gregg
alt.atheism	free moral agenc articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write articl apr princeton edu qpliu phoenix princeton edu liu write faith gift obedi make faith make obei believ wonder that obedi idea obedi written wholli babbl user guid invis pink unicorn grant faith invis pink unicorn you read babbl and obei written obei written babbl you that grant faith invis pink unicorn that obei written babbl lead believ invis pink unicorn you essenti invis pink unicorn thi bit circular reason beg question make obei believ qpliu princeton edu standard opinion opinion delta correl
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr bnr rashid write twelv imam consid incap error sin khomeini support thi view twelv iman thi heresi for reason gave happi discuss issu imam you prefer move discuss anoth newsgroup feel philosophi religion group read thi group benefit know deviant view articul not true view khomeini basic principl islam that muslim reader thi group will simpl basic islam such view face and not contradict basic islam subtl such issu and sect exist islam explicitli proscrib qur topic deepli embed world view islam and esoter teach prophet heresi not enter into for islam exoter religion that nomin concern metaphys substanc man and natur opinion human substanc metaphys fundament that human heret notion and proscrib islam your post you fairli vers sunni thought you seek shi it thought knowledg shi it author that respect due charg heresi level absolut interest discuss thi privat and interest hear make concept error free and sinless human be philosoph consist teach qur prima faci such attemptsa highli suscept degener into monkeri explicitli proscrib qur salaam laikum alaikum wassalam gregg
alt.atheism	koresh god date fri apr mathew mathew manti latest new that koresh will give onc finish write sequel bibl mathew write seal line written page and hand assist for proofread expect decent messiah built spellcheck koresh will come
alt.atheism	islam and scientif predict date fri apr gmt umar khan khan itd itd nrl navi mil conclus that impress that holi qur had scienc accur impress that holi qur not rampant error evidenc tradit man centuri arabia not includ holi qur assum had author folk soc religion islam loosen bit and discuss thi topic bank interest topic book subject mention addit you mention hard find stab curios film thi subject pretti weak and two quot us show scienc koran post pretti vagu suspect that book will extrapol aw lot quot poster islam channel misgiv practic koran decid good scienc islam come equival christian creation scienc topic interest find histori scientif interpret koran us koran support earlier scienc sinc discard easi scienc exist todai and interpret passag match find peopl similar thing sai nostradamu time uniqu claim islam and worth check
alt.atheism	keith relativist level unisa edu desert brat write keith you start wafffl for human maul thrown into cage speak you start post tome decent evid retract your absolut moral blurb week ago claim that absolut moral object keith
alt.atheism	polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write perhap chimp that fail evolv cooper behaviour di and left that evolv such behaviour chanc that entir point you proclaim natur moral time organ evolv cooper behaviour natur moral moral that develop natur natur moral bee danc huh keith
alt.atheism	object moral polit atheist sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write type moral you talk natur sens not immor harm anoth speci long doesn advers affect your guess heheh you thi object moral someher tell you that thi not case and you don rule such transcendent game system object system you talk goal brand moral you talk keith
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl apr bnr rashid write articl apr zeu calpoli edu jmunch hertz ele calpoli edu john munch wrote articl apr bnr rashid write not thi charg shatim appli rushdi and encompass umbrella fasad rule defin word shatim and fasad you us apolog shatim refer slander spread slander and li prophet prophet basic prophet dealt busi hawk stolen merchandis sell swampland hous lot florida you hear stori sexual abus prophet and famili victim paid quiet kind will caulmni and curs that word thi explan can come top head and technic definit time never mind that you thi chevel bought thi dude you guess prophet name moham car for two dai tranni kick manni mechan tell load sawdust guess whether moham anywher found don fasad difficult describ thi not technic definit and that liter moham word fasad mean mischief mischief order magnitud word corrupt wrong begin seek escal hurt yeah you moham disord concern harm etc mischief initi caus action wrong specif relat attack god and messeng and mischief corrupt disord etc you slimi mass pond scum result that attack not physic attack and level penalti proscrib depend extent mischief and whether person person sought make hai situat severest punish death yeah you watch your butt you and your buddi allah stereo sold croak two dai your ass grass jim yeah that jim
alt.atheism	cruel polit atheist kmr cwru edu keith ryan write spent quit bit time word constitut pick word mean impli intent look dictionari defin word isn thi suffici question found father cruel and unusu punish hang hang slow strangl pain physic and psychological imagin hang quick and imagin painless fire squad note not clean die back dai etc consid cruel your definit allow constitut found father and hang and fire squad allow todai and thing not consid cruel sure medic execut painless not keith
alt.atheism	cruel polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write spent quit bit time word constitut realis that thi wide held belief america fact claus cruel and unusu punish lot rest lift english bill right word not mean didn spend time word look dictionari defin word isn thi suffici sinc dictionari that lack merci intent inflict injuri grief count cruel peopl can describ cruel thi punish cannot keith
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write religi law appli categor belong religion event judg appli thi categor cheat hillari john law local gop reprehensit extol tradit famili valu
alt.atheism	cruel polit atheist articl qnpa inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write hang hang slow strangl pain physic and psychological imagin hang quick and imagin painless thi misnom fire squad note not clean die back dai etc consid cruel your definit allow constitut found father and hang and fire squad allow todai and thing not consid cruel sure medic execut painless not thi show that pain execut not consid cruel and unusu punish thi show that cruel us constitut not refer whether not punish physic pain mean cheat hillari john law local gop reprehensit extol tradit famili valu
alt.atheism	nonexist atheist articl kutluk ccl umist kutluk ccl umist kutluk ozguven write atheist not mention quran quran point view and minut reason can that such thing guess that scientist aren mention stock broker televis repairmen preciou deep brainwash childhood that take progress religion clean substanti part reason neuron don mind don exist jim halat
alt.atheism	anecdot islam articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write delet you don that rape and murder dealt lightli you interest lenienc for lenienc sake appar that peopl simpli told bad thing straw man and you brought lenienc and simpl chanc misjudg misjudg avoid suspect that pretti that requir repeat offens that misjudg like assum that misjudg not correl delet love compar such line common plea your fellow believ not call each name thi case substanti quran that beat wife into submiss care give chapter and vers discuss discuss chapter and vers cite assum that you weren exact you not quran and your consequ shown primit machism refer that misspelt that fault not orient follow qur you that not claim that suffici for argument lot male domin societi that qualifi machist you that situat women sufficeint area orient delet thi argument for you don religion that suppress sex such irrelev argument you gener object statement fine respons you reason for your statement that sex not busi religion your argument urg for sex adolesc not strong that overli strong measur requir suppress urg sex strong adult that adult can make commensur effort find marriag partner you appar troubl read thing you don point sex wish strong desir marriag red her homosexu for you simpli ignor that doesn fit into world you and for situat adolesc your combin lenienc and maim mind whe you that not overli strong measur suppress urg for sex adolesc benedikt
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl apr eagl wesleyan edu kmagnacca eagl wesleyan edu write delet nope germani extrem restrict citizenship law ethnic german live russia for year automat becom citizen move germani turk gener germani can that wrong can benedikt
alt.atheism	satan jon livesei write read paper that qumram text had version text misunderstand read newspap learn thi kind stuff not idea world newspap report notori ignor subject religion and prone exagger interest real stori that bigger headlin back thi point masoret text targum translat commentari arama etc and septuagint ancient greek translat masoret text standard jewish text and essenti not vari place obviou corrupt copi faithfulli copi copi passag past interpret refer targum and septuagint septuagint differ masoret text two particular includ addit text and second passag variant read masoret text addit fix predat corrupt passag emphas that knowledg variat signifc bibl scholar and theolog import dead sea scroll materi add thi ancient copi almost isaiah and fragment size almost book abund materi sign hebrew antecd apocrypha extra text septuagint analysi proceed variat dss text and masoret version tend reflect septuagint isn error differ not signific theolog thi big expect that great theolog surpris lurk materi thi hasn happen dss import almost textual tradit unlik for wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral frank frank dwyer write rai netcom rai fischer write frank frank dwyer write question for you subjectivist relativist nihilist het idea that relativ objectiv degre that relativ accur decript truth objectiv power and abil control event you lose talk truth onc you valu rel accuraci judgement happen agre substanc you below clear that valu object truth falsehood peac war educ ignor thing agre that gener held good thing question whether come close object valu that time anoth each view undesir doubt you even come that univers good bad and refer truth term hypothet realiz full that not even such thing assum for moment that moral rel two relativist can recogn that lock absolut truth and can proce negoti workabl compromis that produc desir result cannot acknowledg front that desir result not exist that mean compromis problem relativist valu common compromis imposs happen happen relativist never compromis plant bomb crowd shop area moral rel valu cannot meaningfulli incorrect true cannot person moral thing notabl lack extremist sens person account justif for social unaccept behaviour invari higher author aka absolut moral truth assum that absolut moral two disagre objectivist can wrong room for compromis onc you beleiv absolut moral you accept that you amor that disagre you amor untru can accept that not truth part object truth moral that flexibl rigid compromis believ you lock moral etc can object realiti claim mechan for quantum collaps shot jfk object truth that cannot object truth interest notion can moral belief that compromis good compromis absolut truth not peopl successfulli suppos hold compromis absolut moral happen insist compromis you compromis compromis choic peac compromis endless content that compromis and agre bloodi pointless speak matter tast your like for peac found like for ic cream for that question and relativ isn almost invari rel thing anoth moral consequ peopl aspect justifi desir action belief justifi commit peac argu that let peopl live long healthi and peac live that true incomplet ignor benefit war kill agress member societi trim popul stimul product equat complex present character rel moral conscienc desir unduli simplifi rai fischer convict danger enemi truth rai netcom li friedrich nietzsch
alt.atheism	islam bank slaveri articl monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write apr bmw mayo edu vdp mayo edu vinayak dutt write call interest deposit you call return invest and call loan you call invest busi that word float stock your compani interest return invest for thing return invest greater risk and not set return amount monei you make can you even lose monei differ risk loss share investor practic risk borrow borrow borrow bank stock you call investor stock banker your choic relabel not make interest free not relabel explain relabel not interest free investor take monei dividend invest ofcours investor islam bank your call bank take risk usual bank get thing back return you heard junk bond vinayak vinayak dutt mail vdp mayo edu standard disclaim appli
alt.atheism	don stink subject articl avinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write you claim you prove cold fusion provid exampl show that trend gener and you provid counterexampl surround mate practic etc don that case disprov gener trend natur moral and mate practic reexamin you that your mind made and you explain differ statist insignific find immor mate relat activ you exclud mate relat activ your natur moral mate practic special case you explain inconsist your theori special case that natur system can object deduc goal speci propog mind not equat two you that object system isn necessarili natur you you not man wrote natur moral system object moral system that anim follow natur system object object system not natur term can not equat natur system subset object you equat read your word sinc homosexu observ anim includ bird and dolphin you claim that anim capac immor don claim that homosexu immor isn harm isn help mate process and you that homosexu observ anim kingdom don you mean bisexu studi releas found that femal seagul lesbian that goal not inher that postul not determin argu that aris natur goal somewhat remov postul assum posit that goal aren inher can creat theori postul that sun revolv earth that moon made green chees and star portion angel that intrud into dimension realiti you such contradict observ appli thi last sentenc your your theori notic your contridict observ can build mathemat proof postul that length side triangl length second side triangl and degre angl connect can determin length side postul that gener found true don your postul valid you don math you abil us sa determin length side triangl fundement geometri guess peopl recept order assum your system you show that your postul work and goal surviv and happi work you don not good goal goal postul goal thi object natur moral system you propos surviv speci homosexu immor kcochran nyx edu tsakc thought post idea respons beer pizza
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral qkq horu mchp sni frank write attempt defin object moral wild guess and freedom object valuabl base thi assumpt that world depriv utterli freedom that act contrari volit almost want complain long you that almost freedom will valuabl thing peopl that you real big lot peopl agre freedom subject valuabl that good and quit nice start point for moral system not univers and not object that assert that freedom not valuabl almost can that bit absurd assert not rain raini dai isn sahara disclaim great young and insan
alt.atheism	polit atheist articl qinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write schneider natur moral specif thought code ethic that speci develop order surviv wait talk ethic moral distinct import thi countless time anim kingdom and such natur system basi for system huh moral system mimic natur number wai describ number wai detail explain contradict that aris order for human thrive live group your problem wrong highlight word don wrong for human surviv for long time wild difficult human social anim and that success defin difficult and order for group function effect sort ethic code thi statement not correct isn don you explain law america state that you drive hand side road and point that speci conduct serv propog not give you your tautolog show that such exampl moral system goal propog speci goal natur system moral live monagam relationship not moral order ensur propog speci man impregn women note earlier lack mate such abstin homosexu isn destruct system worst neutral member speci homosexu thi wouldn destruct surviv speci for that matter herd hors domin stallion mate di kill domin stallion mate case your natur system moral shoot figur foot mate practic reexamin theori reexamin kcochran nyx edu tsakc thought post idea respons beer pizza
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl ursa bear halat pooh bear jim halat write articl qjd nlv horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write firstli scienc basi valu not round you explain object atom and subject valu atom not object aren even real scientist call atom noth mathemat model that describ physic observ properti surround subject rest delet you liber art major weren tcha guess you never that photo smallest logo world ibm made nobl ga atom krypton xenon forget specif atom tree electron independ observ and verifi moral aren differ tep men love brown tend warm and deep sensit and desir partner sex hour dai thing snuggl fire walk rain catch snowflak tongu real turn lover brown becka
alt.atheism	death penalti polit atheist jbrown batman bmd trw write apr batman bmd trw respond dave offici nicknam fuller death penalti deterr dave person execut will never commit crime guarante that mean that effect anti recidiv measur not that deter individu commit capit crime place true question whether threat death like stop murder commit treason capit crime anywher usa that death penalti introduct deter crimin commit crime doubt thi step even strong deterr short complet deterr reject for case innoc execut and even elimin thi possibl reject death penalti immor thi make radic issu oppon captial punish agre find innoc execut strongest argument make magic charg facilit state aid suicid for crimin life sentenc thi replac for capit punish don want live rest live jail thi option scott sauyet ssauyet eagl wesleyan edu
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu write societi good reason for rape and murder consist posit and hold that wrong basi moral not societ norm current legal basi surpris surpris bibl and inher moral abhorr exactli inher abhorr and you effect thing repuls and bunch peopl agre deem absolut immor and forev period and nice extent agre you not agre that thing inher absolut immor label immor each for good reason and reason can even theoret chang can label that vagu and top head defend that human similarli made that fall into trap creation doesn human extent similar belong speci that that speci evolv anoth stori altogeth extent evolut can even lend credenc moral absolut flavour argument that exhibit trust good love respect courag and honesti societi deceipt hatr disrespect coward and dishonesti you moral societi aliv and kick point societi not alik and moral haven and thesi don sinc hold that creat similarli similar ident that make unfalsifi thesi and work can and punt fellow theist falsifi find someo creat that real world disclaim great young and insan
alt.atheism	rushdi islam law articl qla afp fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write hope islam bank bcci rip small depositor muslim commun and grow childish propagandist gregg point that practic thing aren quit wonder utopia you folk claim upset you you such thing bbci exampl islam own and oper bank will bet weren real islam owner and oper islam bank bank oper rule islam regard bank thi explicitli bank thi not case bcci and naiv depositor put life save into bcci nasti interest motiv western bank street thi crap bcci motiv motiv intern bank perhap emphasi deal outlaw and intellig servic govern don con into think that will work time back childish propaganda you life wast bandwith such empti type thousand islam bank oper world hear you want talk corrupt bank can talk peopl rob american bank gregg
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi articl qlb oinn shellei washington edu jimh carson washington edu jame hogan write come sens and accept know wisdom and power quran and allah not that allah drop congratul wise choic allah roll bone and allah get crisco bend and invit spin block wow realiz that allah for commit readi for man program gotta call you think renounc islam loyalti jim you read russel hoban hemingwai imit imit bad aspect write hoban doubt gregg
alt.atheism	year can that christian moral articl new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write qlapk morrow stanford edu salem pangea stanford edu bruce salem write articl jrde new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write theori creation theistic view theori creation state genesi begin god creat heaven and earth wonder alittl imagin think huh imagin think that world exist forev and never creat and endless suppli energi and spontan gener life life that make wise and know and imagin theori warren kurt vonroeschlaub iastat edu iowa state univers math depart carver hall am
alt.atheism	you will hell jsn psuvm psu edu jsn psuvm psu edu write care fellow wrote mean psuvm possibl import dispers smilei longer offend disclaim great young and insan
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi anecdot islam articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write not allow leav domain author free leav islam regard islam law curs leav islam death cheat hillari john law local gop reprehensit extol tradit famili valu
alt.atheism	death penalti polit atheist articl apr daffi wisc edu mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough write you exager point libel gave unpopular reason deliber you that iraq absorb kuwait make tire poland comparison you heard principl apli never plai chamberlain and roll anoth countri invad that invit invas perhap not support genocidist provid weapon system tactic support technolog etc made suddam hussein bush call alli and freind cheat hillari john law local gop reprehensit extol tradit famili valu
alt.atheism	you will hell articl tan psuvm psu edu andrew newel tan psuvm psu edu write articl jsn psuvm psu edu jsn psuvm psu edu write you blashephem you will hell for not believ god prepar for your etern damnat reader group conveni that doesn real name start letter sysadmin real name jeremi scott noonan vmoper psuvm psu edu author email postmast psuvm bitnet rfowl wveriti sy admin node idea oper benedikt
alt.atheism	inimit rushdi anecdot islam articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write delet central aspect islam show merci and give wrong even presum rushdi violat islam law and commit crime thi basi for post lenienc not penetr benedikt skull you demand harsh punish crime repeat offend slip justif harsh punish typic religi doublespeak whenev you contradictori statement you choos possibl that suit your current argument disgust that idea that make theodor kkkaldi feel cozi can protect religion gregg you kill idolat benedikt
alt.atheism	islam and scientif predict genocid caus atheism articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write and god almighti creat night and dai and sun and earth celeti bodi swim each round holi quran hmm thi agre ptolem system earth centr planet orbit round copernicu and gallileo wrong you haven read carefulli you you will that doesn circl not move circl evid that round gener sens wishi washi statement not scientif benedikt
alt.atheism	wholli babbl free moral agenc articl psilink robert knowl psilink write delet book subgeniu and that collect write ftp site benedikt
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comp.graphics	rumour articl apr rchland ibm ricardo hernandez muchado ricardo rchland vnet ibm write and cpu doesn understand supposedli variat run mhz thi speed you sprite wow interest hand fact that motorola not releas supposedli lineup ricardo anim playback lawrenc refer earlier post plain quicktim compact video codec digit video appl earli commerci precis run centri fp nice bit color depth expect that algorithm risc processor approach full screen full motion anim you impli processor will tax highli dynam materi sean mcmain check gopher phone univers north texa band info server fax box seanmac ac unt edu mail denton mcmain unt edu
comp.graphics	xga info info xga chipset func truecolor resolut board xga rainer rainer leberl rleberl sparc cstp umkc edu univers kansa citi mail clinton whitehous gov subject
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comp.graphics	vga mode routin made vga mode graphic librari ftp origin wrote routin kind exercis for perhap will find useabl miss higher level function intend intro mode program start point librari assum processor trivial modifi for peopl make mod and post version routin written assembl tasm and callabl fairli simpl found fast for purpos routin includ enter and exit mode defin virtual screen put and pixel put pixmap rectangular imag transpar spot put sprite imag area copi area virtual screen into video memori etc includ simpl routin draw line routin load color gif imag into buffer wrote quick dirti demo program that bounc bunch sprite window packag spang camosun pub do vgl zip zip pkzip complet public domain concern you nice credit due and mail tell you you don don bother mark morlei camosun
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc	winqvtnet ndi token ring
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	diamond dil admin mh unc edu dave laudicina write experienc faint shadow resolut thi card window replac card and wait latest driver experienc gener protect fault error wspdpsf drv winword tool option menu and winfax setup had ati ultra get genral protect fault error spss applic card manufactur terribl qualiti control product market bug hassl run gatewai thx dave problem not video monitor monitor ag develop shadow white and bright color peter goudswaard goudswaa sfu prefer pgoudswa cln etc pgoudswa cue gift present goudswaard observ
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	bmp format mean exactli window bitmap format mean data store width height colour bitmap data couldn find th user manual refer materi give thi inform andrew
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	dll and registerclass createwindow dll regist class and creat window that class type call requir modul instanc handl hinstanc petzold book that us modul instanc handl call program not modul instanc handl dll page two question find modul instanc handl modul problem instanc handl dll advanc mike mike smith mail smith bull bull inform system inc phone concord road fax billerica usa
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	roman bmp respons request for cool bitmap post due resolut and size part thi uuencod bitmap color pictur marbl gazebo desert blue sky background size for center wallpap displai leav border bottom big for icon fit top pictur reguard imag qualiti and resolut not for you haven work piec imag file put back togeth save part individu file us text editor remov header and footer each file concatin part into singl file uudecod file tool thi hassl such uuconvert unix and uucod window neccesari post tool ftp keyword bitmap wallpap
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	stealth video driver recent purchas diamond stealth video card and receiv wrong driver can ftp window video driver for stealth driver cica and don work driver diamond bb file almost meg and download baud inform appreci contact doug sun sw uiuc edu you doug ward
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	netwar win fileman updat that will person novel and window file manag view file name person creat chang novel command ndir tim osburn osburn halcyon tim osburn gbq osburn halcyon bellevu washington
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	bbbbig problem print file articl mar jupit sun csd unb dwoo unb write expert file that page long line equat diagram size thi file unlink embed object and unlink embed object print sinc don laser printer send print file back bbbbbbig file that long fail file can boost file will not carri thi file public printer find network card cabl etc enlighten solut print page time won fit into floppi mil denni woo depart mechan engin mail dwoo unb univers brunswick tel onc had thi problem copi doc file problem hope thi help hua
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	tidi remov ol server articl liverpool liverpool chri wooff write ago instal spss for window part evalu onc evalu complet duli delet softwar ghost spss left run write and emb object spss chart appear list object offer look obviou ini file success thing for string spss chart file window directori turn file call req dat reg dat file binari and didn feel inclin edit solut for remov spss list ol server chri wooff wooff liverpool you can edit that file util that come window call regedit registr info editor bob hodg fish you worm yeah
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	win file system articl apr spider keith spider keith smith write will do can read havn write case break win ntf file system thought ntf suppos fat system keith do cannot read ntf file system ntf file system can read fat file system do windowsnt seper partit machin home and can read do disk window not vice versa robust file system fast and singl problem that doesn prove fat system read book insid window will give you info you for scott scott reimert reimert mamacass etdesg trw standard disclaim redondo beach blah blah blah store beer cool dark place
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	viewson experi sought nec you can email post you posit neg experi thi monitor compar nanao summar multipl respons bought viewson for us home week back felt for monei nec that us work monitor nec sharper flatter distort and stabl heard complaint peopl nec seri qualiti control problem mine us for year problem noth broken viewson not match us ati graphic ultra setup mode push frequenc limit and viewson exhibit problem that nec not person etch nec ocli filter and tube not nice had uncorrect pincus and edg distort problem chang bright switch mode and constantli fiddl control and yoke crook and had compens for raster that tilt downhil postiv side not handsom nec had smaller footprint and not heavi heard that panason own viewson and model sold oem channel panason label that lower cost for nec vote search for cheaper nec fge good older brother decid bui experi nanao can never nanao model straight and don place can walk good comparison model standard employ disclaim appli keith johnson tektronix gpi info servic wilsonvil usa internet keith johnson tek voic fax
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	rfd comp window misc setup thi offici request for discuss rfd for creation two newsgroup for microsoft window thi second rfd replac origin post januari and never vote propos group describ below name comp window setup statu unmoder purpos discuss set and instal window and system and peripher compat issu for window name comp window misc statu unmoder purpos miscellan program discuss window includ issu such secur network featur consol mode and window win compat rational microsoft newest member microsoft window famili oper system oper environ for argu mean famili rang modular window window and window for workgroup window high end date microsoft ship beta copi and pre releas sdk window actual releas slate for june window design intern share applic program interfac member window famili win api includ win api us win dow and win api subset win thread network and secur can us creat bit applic for window user interfac practic ident that window addit login and featur program manag file manag and applet and gener pre sent ident appear user announc window applic port exist window app and run exist applic appear logic that window share group member window famili comp window app comp window programm tool comp window programm misc comp window programm win group applic window window comp window announc comp window advocaci conclus clear argument for separ window and window hierarchi intern structur window and window and oper system such macintosh xenix and coher undergon major rewrit split into separ newsgroup hierarchi window due for major rewrit fulli bit protect mode and do built gener window chicago debut year sure remain hierarchi and ju tific for separ window window version discuss period discuss period will run april vote cfv call for vote will issu base feedback receiv discuss period vote will accept prior cfv tom haapanen tomh metric softwar metric inc waterloo ont stick your index finger into corner your mouth pull that corrado make you feel car januari
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	dde frustrat can you start work project dde transfer data applic excel macro can transfer data port setup for dde macro suggest good refer download window dynam exchang dde applic note book worth get specif server applic dionex chromatographi data system client applic for window for macro dionex not provid document for dde problem develop applic data you connect instrument appreci leon olszewski noth wors itch you can internet leono uiuc edu never scratch leon bladerunn
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	do window macro program that will record keyboard sequenc that window do box that start telnet program and log into account window record doesn record kei sequenc steve
comp.os.ms-windows.misc	adob and adob want creat postcript file win print laserwrit creat postcript file version adob laser accept adob resolv thi problem
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want bu card for logitech mous acquir logitech seri button mous and told that thi bu mous want unload clone bu card for thi mous email repli bobmon indiana edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	flame therapi great idea group creat comp sy ibm flame therapi agre
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	warn copi board copi zwc acsu buffalo edu kcbp ubvmsd buffalo edu mitch write back master word perfect for window window and norton can send anoth copi perman colleg address for safe keep student borrow master and worri screw don you realiz that inevit anal retent moron come and wag finger and jowl outrag that person polit import smcap bold font god law smcap bold font that irrelev problem window system disk hate disk copi high densiti xcopi work fine fact for chang configur and whatnot that decid put hard disk not can you copi disk per directori you want you can simpli copi into directori make lot nicer you switch printer emul norton don experi friend system crash restor backup origin and work fine thi impli that arj norton creat workabl backup and you full instal time you thing never plai for window not big fan utah good luck disclaim don copi that floppi respect your elder for wage sin sic death and hefti legal bill you offend rob rob kudla acm rpi edu keyword oldfield jane leather win phish light blue bondag dtp steeli dan fnm owl genesi spaceship silver spaceship lion take control
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	keyboard articl hxg nxl rpi edu wen yingyang ral rpi edu john wen write wen yingyang ral rpi edu john wen subject keyboard summari locat cap lock and ctrl kei keyboard keyword cap lock and ctrl kei date mon apr gmt softwar that can exchang cap lock and ctrl kei style keyboard for memori resid program that can work program featur specif program awar sharewar program back and that thi featur that program program archiv keymap zip simtel and mirror site msdo keyboard directori will thi written assembl and you compil creat keyboard map us binari editor edit provid compil keyboard driver you not compil us hex zip simtel simpli serach for code locat bigin normal keyboard map swap code for kei that you swap keyboard directori simtel for program that report scancod for each kei you bio program thi info good luck pete peter mckinnei long lanc colost edu electrohydrodynam laboratori fluid mechan and wind engin program civil engin depart colorado state univers
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	identifi video hardwar devic isa board subsystem will two rgb video signal and combin templat templat can simpl rectangular window signal us for interior and signal two for exterior beleiv fancier harwar exist not want exclud search thi sort hardwar exist for ntsc etc for rgb email and post lead gordon lang glang smail srl ford glang holo srl ford
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	long monitor last inch vga interlac year brand monitor bit bullet press power switch and second power light pop gawd two and half year long normal monitor last problem monitor power switch imag get pretti dim need contrast max and screen flicker time time thi normal heheh worst luck question bui fix save for good and cheap ega monitor for save monei upgrad engin extens effort appli fresh approach problem mean hire gui kick for robert bobbi yung lehigh edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	attn ken smith model number interlac btw you number contact compani that help for repli begin that never repli post thi netnew bboard messag you return and didn second messag you calvin
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	share your optim tip articl pinnp geraldo utexa edu jbodnar ccwf utexa edu john bodnar write unl edu edgar pearlstein anoth comput arriv statement config sy file stack chang stack and save byte lower even haven exactli microsoft set stack singl comput instal window simpl eisa motherboard ndi volant tiga adapt intel ethernet express card and cach scsi control dpt and dtc not problem and extra gain mean lot convent memori gobbl program orcad and tango pcb john bodnar like develop window univers texa austin applic never inhal internet jbodnar ccwf utexa edu utexa ccwf jbodnar borland ceo philipp kahn rememb read qemm manual that stack need for window setup program us stack rich
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai and ati problem wonder had problem gatewai bu system ati graphic ultra pro comput resolut fine whenev us window autocad gif screen get inch shorter top and bottom screen bar black screen isn cut squeez into smaller space and mess aspect ratio can manual chang size back thi pain ass and shouldn happen call gatewai numer time and haven two time card and time card didn work comput even bill for card didn back coupl dai told phone that wait week bill card custom support stori had thi problem you hell you don solut not thi problem advanc jude greer jmgree starbas spd louisvil edu into mach instal program and manual set ting card doesn work whenev increas vertic size screen start cut top and bottom
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	and simm articl edu nshah ac edu write gatewai local bu system slot for simm that us simm question receiv simm and pin slot motherboard pin wrong simm can us simm not pin slot flill never encount such long slot for simm suggest can hold gatewai post net nshah ac edu you bought wrong simm you pin simm becuas send receiv data byte bit bit pariti for each byte chunk you will undoubtedli simm wide us futur jason jason walter jpw lehigh edu jpw eec lehigh edu modem mouth
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	intel pentium and linux inabu ibm clausthal arnd burghardt write folk yesterdai visit cebit hannov germani intel present pentium processor had word machin thi beast run present nice unli run pictur show thi presentor promis binari compat and don show disk linux system emerg disk patch lilo boot disk and convic boot thi gut glori decid glori won touch holi cow and not even boot suspect thought thi coward dai and back earth learn thi technolog industri standart you can expect thi beast your local comput shop spring year cent your mine run chip trade show and had real technic knowledg wouldn stranger diskett boot demo machin demo machin long peopl will not nice demo and thi purpost linux diskett that will wipe disk load viru deep troubl market mind you thi had specif invit peopl and provid machin can learn thi technolog will ship vendor and will compat golden gryphon gryphon openag crown jewel american prison system presid bill clinton live white hous openag premier sco unix integr washington area
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	warranti extens credit compani appli phurchas comput huayong yang yang titan uc umass edu wrote not credit card compani offer doubl warranti year you make purchas credit card you addit warranti year appli purchas comput us catch advanc post result big comput purchas kei point abil us american express card read fine print doubl warranti polici amex and citibank visa will you doubl warranti comput citibank maximum claim you imagin your monitor mother board fix for amex limit claim rememb you us amex you send copi warranti info dai purchas you call pre regist and send paperwork dai purchas pre regist pak arriv todai citibank visa requir pre registr ken
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	anoth happi gatewai owner sinc kind complaint gatewai thought post recent pleasant experi machin thi past fridai thi two week dai call order unbox found perfect order peripher order properli instal jumbo rom impress quantiti and qualiti gatewai document softwar origin disk and manual gatewai manual nice ring binder ati gup build driver softwar microsoft offic properli instal machin box and perform flawlessli weekend and even reach room temperatur big roomi tower case lot and run do problem read peopl problem high speed serial commun us do interlink program let link comput serial port baud map machin two hard disk disk you can drive and run program copi file almost peer peer lan you can run program machin not two street machin server and thi machin client that differ peer peer stuff for bundl do util impress jumbo minut back data pass potenti gatewai monitor problem take credit and appli nec love thi monitor glad good new gatewai stori and glad work john john gayman wbu uunet wbu john packet wbu eah
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	winmark can can winmark benchmark run ftp roger bix ruzun net uzun crash ct
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai and ati problem articl jmgree starbas spd louisvil edu jmgree starbas spd louisvil edu jude greer write wonder had problem gatewai bu system ati graphic ultra pro comput resolut fine whenev us window autocad gif screen get inch shorter top and bottom screen bar black screen isn cut squeez into smaller space and mess aspect ratio can manual chang size back thi pain ass and shouldn happen call gatewai numer time and haven two time card and time card didn work comput even bill for card didn back coupl dai told phone that wait week bill card custom support stori had thi problem you hell you don solut not thi problem advanc jude greer jmgree starbas spd louisvil edu into mach instal program and manual set ting card doesn work whenev increas vertic size screen start cut top and bottom monitor problem you mention that you swap card not monitor perhap that dan daniel matthew coleman internet dcoleman utxvm utexa edu dcoleman ccwf utexa edu univers texa austin decnet utxvm dcoleman electr comput engin bitnet dcoleman utxvm bitnet
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	simm for sale pin simm for sale perfect condit will not work system requir pin simm paid for for insur ship addit you pin eisa type simm for sale drop line nimesh shah nshah ac edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	infam gatewai video monitor problem info request greg spath gk psuvm psu edu wrote articl ueom evf odin corp sgi mikei sgi mike yang mailord gatewai save technic support phone free softwar packag fun hold technic support phone local you can walk dealer and wrong and fix phone support quick and compet mail order firm not quick and not compet gatewai includ experi comput retail signific lead conclus that sale personnel and retail technic personnel forbidden learn product sell talk incompet percent answer correct salesmen don even realiz stupid settl catch breath fact retail store never provid term price per product retail outlet desir peopl aren interest learn comput make decis thi fine for exampl educ carpet wall paper lawn mower microwav oven etc come sale personnel assum idiot don care thing care comput demand featur and perform and damn pai high school drop commiss rate price system and process subject distort gener
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	shadow mask andrew colfelt colfelt ucsu colorado edu wrote shadow mask you put your face into main memori your dai job
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	drive control compat respond origin post number for western digit tech support and determin that upgrad bio super bio will handl hard drive read write head and cylind upgrad payabl check monei order send western digit corpor technic support group box irvin super bio for hard drive control card seri bio system handl drive respons request for follow sig warn long keith keith rice univers north texa depart comput scienc denton texa usa drice ponder csci unt edu drice unt edu respons below raval mailbox syr edu sat apr receiv mailbox syr edu ponder sat apr raval mailbox syr edu bob valentin receiv mothra syr edu mailbox syr edu cn sat apr est receiv mothra syr edu spike sat apr est date sat apr est messag mothra syr edu drice ponder statu drice ponder csci unt edu subject drive control compat newsgroup comp sy ibm hardwar repli drice ponder organ syracus univers syracus articl drice ponder you write recent bought us seagat hard drive gui told that had fulli test 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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	articl apr aio jsc nasa gov mancu sweetpea jsc nasa gov keith mancu write articl apr kpc pcarmack gimp kpc phil carmack write peopl perform driven weren peopl wouldn bui pentium system place sinc bui that run exist applic faster leagu pentium myth haven heard sourc that trust and don ad for machin comput shopper intel pretti busi pentium can introduc competit ibm displai technolog demo thi effectivli mean neat technolog not commit make such item keith mancu mancu butch jsc nasa gov wvr mancu sweetpea jsc nasa gov black powder and alcohol your state and citi fall your back wall lesli fish gui gui dawson hoskyn group plc guyd hoskyn tel hoskyn guyd austin ibm tel ibm austin usa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	local dealer servic infam gatewai video monitor problem info request articl gk psuvm psu edu greg spath gk psuvm psu edu write articl ueom evf odin corp sgi mikei sgi mike yang mailord gatewai save technic support phone free softwar packag fun hold technic support phone local you can walk dealer and wrong and fix long fix us part repair can substitut us part your knowledg can charg you for repair that warranti claim due improp mainten your part come local dealer fun get consist good support tech tread salesmen not train technician high turnov rate fun get warranti work quickli and courteous fun get warranti work cheapli even period you paid servic contract servic technician and servic manag computerland franchis and anoth retail comput place talk local servic scam that retail comput dealer push sell that song that car dealer sing for year bui and you good servic treat custom bui competit and you you servic experienc mail order buyer that mail order compani that give excel servic includ overnight replac part site call etc local dealer that can give you good servic you local dealer give consistenli good servic you wrong anectdot prove point net can job can ted drude tbdrude infonod ingr
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai uart chip articl spiroc bssw drq netcom spiro netcom philip spiro write georg theall theall gdalsrv sa upenn edu wrote articl dickyjc bmt netcom dickyj netcom dicki johan write that uart chip machin that uart chip byte buffer not sale critter spoke last week gatewai us socket chip you find afn for and upgrad chip minor nuisanc for worth salesman that kbp and solder board will recent pl settl thi inspect phil phil spiro spiro netcom mine soder card you heard you multitask fifo buffer you loos data thi bryan luff math comp sci cal
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	geniu mous driver fellow netland geniu mous model driver for button mous that thees mail driver config sy autoexec bat happi staffan ungsgard internet telesoft norden staffan ungsgard nynashamn telesoft utsiktsvagen phone nynashamn sweden fax
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	applic error win problem get increas frustrat dai background american megatrend bio clone ram config sy file devic do himem sy do high umb devic window emm ex noem file buffer stack autoexec bat file smartdrv ex cmo set run wait state read and write cach ram problem applic error win start newli instal win and instal excel run excel problem perman swap file size place for window proce instal norton desktop for window version problem instal ndw alter autoexec bat nav run problem bring excel excel run and middl click select mous desktop applic error screen anoth applic error screen messag stack fault drv address xxxx xxxx number drv vga driver provid manufactur gener protect fault ndw ex address segment load failur ndw ex address address flag address xxxx mean absolut idea thi mean comment tsr program autoexec bat emm setup not tell win suppos applic cross memori boundari load run repli you idea suggest will steve chu bell lab holmdel
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	summari inform local bu specif articl apr inesc jma ingrina write stuff delet pci intel bu not complet defin peopl long term solut larger fanout not cheap complex chipset friend own compani that build clone share fact that pci chipset not expens monei hungri clone maker doubt will attempt price board high technolog lanc hartmann lanc hartmann austin ibm ibmpa awdpa ibm that percent sign network address statement comment opinion etc reflect author and not misconstru ibm for that matter
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	articl apr kub volkert kub volkert write anonym post choic and wonder faster path extern cach shouldn choic that can made work properli local bu mean cach speed thing your speed will block video that faster will specul that local bu will time fast and expens cheap technic reason chip set cannot support and mhz local bu wait for mezzianin bu that will decoupl main cpu clock and for slot due user buffer thi will us faster cpu standard card buss spec regard name meuldijk address gildelaar teteringen holland mail volkert kub oooo oooo gui gui dawson hoskyn group plc guyd hoskyn tel hoskyn guyd austin ibm tel ibm austin usa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	tangent comput eisa system dealt tangent system that eisa backplan vesa slot for video scsi contol us made aorta never heard thi brand can comment tangent control david
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	simm speed articl apr new unomaha edu hkok cse kok hon yin write robert desonia robert desonia hal ann arbor wrote plug simm into motherboard simm you shouldn troubl heard machin problem slower recommend memori speed never faster run troubl you want bui and mix expens and your machin will run slowest simm clock speed eventhough you cent thought your machin will run bu jumper cmo set wait state speed ram instal motherboard can sens speed ram instal you call fail sort auto sens thi you can sometim us slower ram machin you set number wait state accomod slow ram case memori will run that slower rate you reduc wait state and chanc that slower ram will act faster ram and you won crash put faster ram won speed thing you machin faster ram mix fast and slow ram will not you you bu slow accomod slow ram jiml mailer address buggi repli jiml strauss ftcollinsco ncr jame lewczyk ncr mpd fort collin jim lewczyk ftcollinsco ncr
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	tape drive problem articl cso uiuc edu husak cso uiuc edu stephen husak write repli mail sinc thi job relat colorado jumbo back system place employ and eaten two tape wind tape spool easi fix tape drive fri simpli clean and comment will appreci stephen husak not you you didn you woke todai depech mode noth music for mass stephen husak husak cso uiuc edu univeris illinoi tape two tape that unwound type batch reason that bought gener tape that thi and found that tape marker not fulli punch and had close marker hole tape set you open tape cartridg and put tape back reel you not open remov two screw bottom tape cartridg and snap plastic shell metal base you pull tape assembl not touch you you for coupl hole tape marker hole tape drive end tape hole space coupl inch apart guess that drive find marker and stop second marker tape hole check mirror tape clean function mirror detect marker hole tape drive shine light mirror and pickup area reflect come hole pickup detect light that allow pass and stop mirror dirti aligh sinc made into case you problem detect end tape tape drive tape and tape good pickup led sensor system fail dirti you open drive door you will sensor assembl left head assembl clean and noth drive servic that led burn sensor warranti you send back cm for repair scott hile while relai nswc navi mil standard disclaim opinion express and not necessarili reflect dod navi accept full respons
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	rapid tech squeez card box ibm card and across call rapid technolog squeez card date and mhz crystal and big chip that cube connector ribbon type pin connector board bit board idea phil phil hunt wherev you you howtek inc internet phil howtek decvax harvard howtek phil
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	articl iisakkil apr hut iisakkil hut mika iisakkila wrote contract ibm not allow sell chip parti chip becom ibm machin thi month world for comput ibm slc don ibm restrict sell chip not anymor clock tripl even coprocessor great board cach make pin compat and you chip upgrad that dream made taka mizutani takaharu mail sa upenn edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	problem maxtor id drive you respond and mail tip didn pan good hear you earlier post disk control acculog side hard floppi id control jumper default shown normal irq delai irq primari secondari floppi address singl dual speed floppi primari secondari id address precomp iochrdi not driven id drive control iochrdi card didn check brand serial parallel adapt logitech bu mous adapt roland mpu compat midi interfac configur default irq mem address open box and remov card not chang normal irq delai irq disk control didn make differ and iochrdi not driven id drive control iochrdi had effect put back and instal card unplug floppi drive cabl disk control voila boot power second access hard disk plug floppi cabl back control and origin boot behavior return thi addit inform netland word wisdom for and deal larri plug byler
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	do board port post thi for friend that run bb not do window interest board that port anoth post sugget digiboard didn info give inform board that mention configur model specif price manufactur rob robert walker walker umn edu comput scienc dept univers minnesota
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	isa limit marka ssd csd harri mark ashlei write latest magazin pentium isssu editori advantag eis vesa plain isa vesa supposedli user will eventu want ram sinc isa bu bit bu can access even motherboard agre argument writer claim that glitch can occur system that limit that part don understand ram motherboard cpu problem talk ram can explain thi problem isa bu master can address mb system memori bu master not us cpu system dma actual data transfer transfer data directli system ram roger pao gordiu bagdad pride mt rpao rpao mt mivj
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hard disk question disassembl and disk drive hard drive and floppi drive question can us drive drive thi hard drive floppi drive can send your advic comment aovai qube ocunix lot dlg pro
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	note ted richard ted isgtec wrote devilbiss col wrote work advertis disappoint speed intel intern modem telebit unix end limit kbit unix link quantit comparison cat file file kbyte uncompress ascii text and second scroll window modem link char sec ident hardwar and procomm cat file take second char sec btw us ncd xview work dai for unix access lan and that fine cat file scroll second lan connect experi cat byte file line scenario xview for do full screen window sec telix do window sec telix do full screen window standard vga sec telix do window window sec win seamless window gave min win window faster gave min win seamless window sec faster had hit space bar ati video card xview for do pretti good and line line scroll desktop pathet full page redraw pretti good xview normal bold font and small font and differ time modem receiv light pretti solidli bottleneck baud modem not screen draw ted richard ted isgtec uunet isgtec ted isg technolog inc airport mississauga ont canada
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ram board isa machin pheonix bio megabyt ram instal simm motherboard bank full and space for simm think run machin and possibl linux window and that ram help simm solut can sell meg for and simm for us apart fact that can afford price entir process sell ram and bui us mean that machin for number dai avoid question ram board that plug into free slot work isa machin sold us for space for anoth board work devic driver need will bio pickup extra ram simm mother board that isa expans slot bit and simm memori bit thi wish think appreci eric ebosco oracl
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hard drive mess dave david cat wrote vazzag vccnw rpi edu gregori anthoni vazzana write howdi dai norton speeddisk optim seagat problem persist back essenti data and decid reformat hard drive attempt thi clylind head and gave error messag that not find sector can can even access hard driv write inform boot do disk reformat hard drive and get error format hard drive press exit scan hard drive for virus can access and messag dir error int can idea advanc for greg bio level format debug command xxxx xxxx hex address control bio locat thi will not work last resort larg magnet hard disk thi properli you will damag disclaim not respons for your action directli appli larg magnet your hard disk correctli magnet trick will wipe hard disk complet and low level bio format succe david china cat bb cat david sed csc uunet mimsi anagld cat david
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	laserjet upgrad dpi opinion current product upgrad resolut support postscript experi good bad qualiti differ notic plan produc camera readi copi home will higher resolut notic for
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	vesa local bu articl apr umontr gregof jsp umontr grego filippo write fellow netter question for you gonna bui mhz vesa local bu speed benefit that great wise spend local bu system control and graphic card for normal us mean won us for server read articl can rememb your name and that even you local bu hard disk control your perform won that greater disk throughtput us fast bu peripher can cope bear mind vlb stand for for video origion intent bu speed bu that larg memori memori transfer faster thi espic transfer data main memori video memori sinc vlb slot card maker make card fit two vlb ethernet card move data into card odd and wait for tickl net free local bu for card time you fast buss and sometim you don you gregof jsp umontr gui gui dawson hoskyn group plc guyd hoskyn tel hoskyn guyd austin ibm tel ibm austin usa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	anoth happi gatewai owner articl apr infonod ingr kbputt infonod ingr ken putt write don expens qualiti competitor rinstanc bought system novemb second tier vendor touch price for hardwar softwar combin anoth good thing read midst gatewai horror stori you sell system fast you end piss custom and ecstat and lot satisfi excel return polici don minim thi you bui mail order good thing that you replac part question ask dai two fedex impress system work vast major case rememb that peopl tail curv motiv write love and hate you don hear folk middl rough edg doubt give good per dollar and us almost top qualiti compon
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	do articl eastman lrxi ict kodak jame nonnemach write experi netland do that make comment whether not worthwhil upgrad problem hardwar compat bug found thing disk doubler includ do possibl that disk doubl ex file get corrupt your disk unread recov such event file that problem dblspace bin not ex arf ooo ooo bill burg burg qdeck and dog spot problem resolut prevent bb quarterdeck offic system fax qfax tech support support qdeck thi autom request gen info info qdeck fax system call compuserv quarterdeck handset your fax
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi wlsmith valv heart rri uwo wayn smith write thi doesn answer origin question multi user and mention made ether card disk data point view scsi advantag come multi task data data and anywher drive can scsi find faster can drive and into comput faster cach system thought scsi good manag data bu multipl devic attach talk singl drive explain scsi inher faster manag data hard drive you make mistak you confus drive interfac data throughput interfac mac ibm info sheet ftp sumex aim stanford edu info mac report mac ibm compar txt expans mac ibm scsi extern devic expans interfac common mac and ibm us devic hard drive printer scanner nubu card expans mac monitor and rom appl develop specif for scsi control ibm exact control specif result ad incompat ibm machin main problem lot extern devic intern termin problem for two devis scsi port scsi chain suppos termin begin and end set problem for mac ibm scsi devic per scsi control bit asynchron av and synchron max transfer base bit scsi requir scsi control chip and can provid fast scsi not wide scsi bit interfac scsi scsi devic per scsi control scsi mode scsi fulli scsi complient and impliment fast scsi sinc control interfac hardwar expends and softwar transfer speed burst bit burst bit and burst bit wide and fast scsi scsi mode limit devic and reduc bit bit fast throughput due differ scsi and wide scsi port ibm interfac limit hard drive design lack develop id integr devic electron common standard and us for medium size drive can hard drive asynchron transfer max lowest set scsi interfac asynchron scsi mode averag put maximum id asynchron mode full scsi mode blow poor id window street and into garbag can problem becom can drive mechanisim put rate and that bottleneck and cost scsi come not interfac and drive mechanisim us scsi put cost scsi interfac fullil prophisi peopl bui scsi expenc for turn convic make that mass produc scsi reduc cost unwar and scsi expenc that effect rule scale item sold each item bare brunt cost manufactur and each item cost scsi drive mechanisim put limit drive id limit put
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	memori slot problem articl qiij bigboot wpi edu ralf wpi wpi edu ralph valentino write final decid upgrad eisa memori meg meg two month part warranti ran anigma motherboard two month late problem two bit sim slot bank boot pattern test failur address and system deconfigur top meg sim good rotat into bank configur pattern test delet fail test pattern that appear pattern sim place thi lead two connector address pin fault and lot luck patchabl ralph ralph valentino ralf chpc org ralf wpi wpi edu hardwar engin worcest polytechn institut center for high perform comput marlborough motherboard jumper enabl disabl memori bank you check that allen mulvei mulvei blurt oswego edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	purchas last time microprocessor lab don lot buzz term hardwar purchas question motherboard ram additon slot for two vesa local bu for video not run unix question that ensur get qualiti stuff import featur monitor want interlac svga not brand can afford nec soni brand acer touch video card run framemak fast video card western digit worth cirru logic ram compani want for local bu video card thi normal hard drive segat western digit conner price liabl performac case power suppli chois desktop and minitow adequ power suppli cool gener problem issu featur for miss that lot semi liter read thi group your greatli appreci jason chen
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	vesa local bu guyd austin ibm gui dawson write vlb ethernet card move data into card odd and wait for tickl net for bit vlb for quickr appl impliment vlb byte quickr interest that interleav card that can divid card time nubu and mca card interfac that kind speed and even nubu ditz burst mode mca call micro channel ibm and bit bu us cpu comput dct and can talk fast two compon involv can handl never incompat isa and eisa plan bu interfac ibm powerpc carl jabido ida can handl vlb speed never mind quickr speed eisa poke nubu mac speed burst mode vlb and quickr slow pci compet interfac that develop
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	isa eisa articl apr envmsa ea asu edu firman envmsa ea asu edu write articl casei apr grace wharton upenn edu casei grace wharton upenn edu shawn casei write question for that familiar isa and eisa sytem configur switch isa board into eisa board card isa system work problem interupt problem that had isa board continu eisa board understand that eisa board handl irq confict run window problem run network telnet tcp window run system kick window irq confict window assum memori address problem that will happen board switch base memori that you eisa mother board you us eisa card your comput system will slower you isa board isa card bill that nonsens you can us isa card eisa system problem and speed isa system luke
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	origin ibm spec articl apr ucbeh san edu hoffmamc ucbeh san edu write hard drive type control can ad recommend not full height hard drive run into troubl suppli not oomph spool big heavi platter system floppi drive and hard disk watt power suppli disconnect power floppi drive turn you will notic hard drive real difficult time get speed manag boot finish plug your floppi drive will work thi not user friendli you bui watt power suppli that willem
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	control question articl apr nwnexu paulf halcyon marlboro man write for access floppi drive level that lower bio port assign control chip spec sheet info floppi and write code that work disk method access read individu byte track stream into control afraid sector handl pure hardwar chanc can thi basic access point direct lot file for archi that call theref zip lot info thing detail descript floppi control command hard drive control command not read entir track includ gap sector header etc set sector size larg willem
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ad hard drive origin ibm articl dxb panix schuster panix michael schuster write articl lsj ruinnl saltillo utexa edu goolsbei utexa edu keith goolsbei write origin ibm not that never had hard drive question bio add hard drive sell complet packag thi mail suggest add meg meg hard drive mail you bio support for rom bio extens such rom hard disk control hard card for not will trick you proper bio date us norton similar program find you set correct switch set your control can pain sinc don come proper doc for hardwar contain insid
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	western digit info need recent loan older dec work and option ad addit western digit hard drive machin exist drive western digit and work fine not document for configur master slave relationship for drive setup drive format tandi do eventu upgrad do drive model number circa cyl head drive note add that exact configur for current bio work set cyl head write pre land zone pair jumper pin back that presum for set master slave origin drive machin had suggest back for master and middl jumper for slave boot reiniti puke access drive flicker time second drive error hopefulli problem simpl drive not format not person had actual format and unformat drive not even that and thi great fulli appreci not number for western digit good swood hunt michigan don despair close season opossum porcupin weasel red squirrel skunk starl feral pigeon english sparrow ground squirrel woodchuck trout season open last saturdai thi month
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	articl bcinnmep golem wcc govt hamilton golem wcc govt michael hamilton write you switch understand can local bu devic mother board not local bu slot and told system vesa local bu standard order provid system local bu slot capabl definitli mother board local bu slot claim support cpu includ and can throw inform light thi issu you will check peripher maker board will work mhz will motherboard toni caton compstat wharton upenn edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	intellig serial bill write bui serial port and modem each can us for thing you can us modem your comput not upgrad modem chang box hear that isdn big europ you beauti isdn modem for pice car somedai bidirect bill davidsen corp center box schenectadi curent unit state standard isdn kbit suppos what kbit kup aka christoph kuperman holist system consult email zork yoyo monash edu giv man fish eat for dai teach fish eat for
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	differ pin and pin simm can differ pin and pin simm detail inform origin two type simm prefer magazin review aricl faq for thi group cover simm inform direct inform appreci sincer jen dept univ maryland yjwu eng umd
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	sun rom pc articl apr novel pbartok novel peter bartok write great don your effort and talent notic put program net upload anonym ftp site peopl can and put into ftp novel pub incom small programm that can us switch suncd drive into byte block mode for us msdo adaptec apsi ftp ftp novel pub adaptec cdblksize zip juergen keil tool uunet mcsun unido tool
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	anoth gatewai post never thought contribut gatewai thread pro con spleen us vent scenario order ultrastor local bu control receiv system dai order happi discov ultrastor isa control insid unhappi call gatewai receiv correct control dai get happier control doesn work unhappi call gatewai anoth control dai cool end sight thi control doesn work motherboard bad unhappi gatewai solut will order motherboard dai and site servic instal for dai work servic peopl work blown hour thi hold and don time dai work dai return period almost and us thin for minut thing back extrem upset began thi post support rep told that pai ship not for return system two hard drive control had fortun spoke custom servic and up come and pick grati downsid that order anoth comput gatewai turn prospect and custom servic tech support product great for part begin save worth potenti aggrav mail order compani difficult contact gatewai boom and for good reason don can feel mark devanei hear and georgia institut technolog atlanta georgia internet markd gatech edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	adaptec problem recent suffer problem adaptec control problem floppi disk drive doesn work appar two jumper control that affect floppi disk drive locat lower front corner such jumper and possibl locat problem hard disk refus boot two scsi rodim miniscrib messag miss oper system even disk format control and damn oper system boot quantum get do version inform thi due incombat memori driver jumper that affect caus such error advanc jouni jouni marttila kyl turku finland jmarttila abo jmarttila finabo abovax jmarttila jjmartti utu pgp kei finger jmarttila abo
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	tape backup question folk archiv intern qic tape drive pretti compar colorado jumbo sinc two floppi drive system small card not acceler made archiv attach tape drive floppi devic problem do base qicstream softwar work fine norton and central point backup program for window fail switch machin turbo speed eisa sinc do softwar work can hardwar problem can similar problem solut advanc jerri shekhel molecular simul inc time fade page drummer burlington usa book memori rhythm jerri msi gun rose
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	rom for gatewai and misc info terri clark tclark new weeg uiowa edu wrote upgrad nanao thi monitor will handl vertic refresh not nanao will not btw gatewai told thing phil phil spiro spiro netcom
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	recommend for local bu cach id control hear net wisdom and net opinion id control liek id control card for vlb motherboard good option for thi prefer work and compat stacker and disk compress advis divya divya live long and die slow and horribl death confuciu want
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	tape backup for window for complet solut isa vlb scsi control ultrastor tape drive archiv window program that will work intend system will ram plain isa control will longer hear that scsi world not organ tape backup setup for describ mail marka gcx ssd csd harri
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	refresh rate nec fgx can maximum horizont and vertic refresh rate nec fgx not fge
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ftp problem gatewai gatewai smc elit seri ethercard us ncsa ftp send gatewai hash turn hash mark immedi comput drag turn intern cach speed doesn match speed receiv gatewai doesn matter send gatewai hash mark and extrem slow cach not disabl thi fix gatewai purchas june respond directli you wouldn slow new thi system
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	soundblast irq and port set articl qjv bogu sura net vargish bogu sura net nichola vargish write soundblat card suppos share irq lpt parallel printer interfac and gener thi scheme work sometim conflict depend softwar origin game bitchi interrupt solut switch interrupt irq unreserv contemporari comput irq for drive architechtur don put irq you comput thi irq complet stabl for and us plai mod and wav linux free for architectur machin problem game do us irq disadvantag game assum that board irq and adjust thi set had troubl luca film game peter geltner administr dean comput santa monica colleg santa monica california
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	refer need memori manag report topic advanc memori manag and good refer cover thi topic analyt chemistri class instrument analysi you guess doesn extrem thorough extens cover topic chemic engin and not memori manag point good direct thank advanc joe bleazard hydra gatech edu school chemic engin georgia institut technolog atlanta
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	articl isgtec isgtec ted isgtec ted richard write devilbiss col wrote brought ncd xview window version us modem link unix system instal easi you program ncd call xremot run unix host total softwar cost for seat ncd educ price softwar packag for strap for cash eugen ted richard ted isgtec uunet isgtec ted isg technolog inc airport mississauga ont canada eugen hsu aka heug univers southern california eugeneh scf usc edu electr and biomed engin freak yeah yeah santa victim kroq detect undercov
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	anoth happi gatewai owner pastor vfl paramax jon pastor write vast major case rememb that peopl tail curv motiv write love and hate you don hear folk middl rough edg doubt give good per dollar and us almost top qualiti compon middl road owner satisfi system had share problem correct phone convers etc satisfi for monei stephen husak not you you didn you woke todai depech mode noth music for mass stephen husak husak cso uiuc edu univeris illinoi
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want chipset info motherboard last byte memori manag download for trial report chipset addtech pcchip chipset and activ ram segment ffff can us for umb for video bio write driver activ memori can program inform thi chip phil
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want opinion mag and nanao monitor bui monitor and that can decid monitor bui mag thi dpi version and triniton tube and nanao mind specif problem monitor relat opinion bui monitor will welcom advanc ong mang iastat edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor for xga ifpg new claremont edu dhosek jarthur claremont edu hosek write recommend monitor for xga can us svga monitor need curiou blow monster wad cash system xga xga for origin xga you that can interlac compat and idea for xga you prefer multi sync ibm nec even fix frequenc monitor home viewson multisync easi run mode color noninterlac higher mode dick kaul opinion not offici ibm posit etc ibm xga develop make wear suit speak for ibm boca raton shhhh maestro decompos kaul vnet ibm
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	articl bcinnmep golem wcc govt hamilton golem wcc govt michael hamilton write definitli mother board local bu slot claim support cpu includ and can throw inform light thi issu michael hamilton motherboard support bu and cpu option bio addit wait can ad regard cpu bu transact thi slow cpu rate that bu devic time thing wait appli cpu transact bu devic you want enabl wait you bu devic thi read motherboard manual and interpr tation your mileag vari strictli speak and mhz not compat and fudg mechan physic work gari korenek korenek ferranti network manag technolog incorpor ferranti intern control corp sugar land texa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	cfv and vote ack comp programm port setup multimedia bug attent voter had problem mailbox dai vote check vote acknowleg ack end thi cfv your name address not send your vote check even you vote dai introduct thi and final call for vote cfv for creation newsgroup and renam creat comp programm port unmoder renam comp programm comp programm misc unmoder comp setup unmoder comp multimedia unmoder comp bug unmoder thi second attempt creat comp programm port and comp setup and renam comp programm comp programm misc attempt fail summer vote deadlin august vote rule state that anoth attempt for creat newsgroup can start six month wait period thi case march thi attempt creat comp multimedia and comp bug thi document contain background show for propos propos charter for propos vote instruct vote ballot exampl ballot vote rule vote schedul mass acknowledg background creation two free bit compil for gcc and emx gcc read comp programm for detail spur continu delug softwar 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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ncr extern floppi drive inherit ncr extern floppi thi thing port man back question connect thi thing hardwar need softwar tia alex respond directli not thi alia
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	fix frequenc khz vga monitor recent bought monichrom vga monitor for that will interlac good deal fix scan rate monitor and handl khz horizont trident card work graphic mode and not us sinc applic will set mode text suppos that can us thi gener purpos vga displai meg trident card not can sort vga card peter desnoy
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	request info mysteri card rummag box part found half size board that comm port board made fort data system and copyright date board male pin connector and jumper pin each two label plug into and ran advanc diagnost time chang jumper posit each time system not recognis comm port clue thi board configur us anoth comm port free bryan
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	joystick suggest plan bui joystick time sinc sold amiga year ago for idea kind stick bui peopl recommend varieti gravi model good willi vill walveranta tel fax linda av apt finland oakland fax automat recogn usa email wil shell portal
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl kvinnndk dn nmsu edu bgrubb dant nmsu edu grubb write point view scsi advantag come multi task data data and anywher drive can scsi find faster can drive and into comput faster cach system thought scsi good manag data bu multipl devic attach talk singl drive explain scsi inher faster manag data hard drive id integr devic electron common standard and us for medium size drive can hard drive asynchron transfer max don you start spec sheet isa bu you can quot scsi spec till you blue face exce isa bu capabl point id limit meg sec vlb id perform lowest set scsi interfac asynchron scsi mode averag put maximum id asynchron mode full scsi mode blow poor id window street and into garbag can impliment system problem becom can drive mechanisim put rate and that bottleneck and cost scsi come not interfac and drive mechanisim us scsi put origin question scsi us singl hard drive control scsi drive that will meg sec for scsi choic make senc meg meg sec scsi drive cost cost scsi interfac fullil prophisi peopl bui scsi expenc for turn convic make that mass produc scsi reduc cost unwar and scsi expenc that effect rule scale item sold each item bare brunt cost manufactur and each item cost origin cga cart back origin ega card pga scsi stood rel alon not come price talk and not sun sparc sgi name your favorit unix workstat that million bui decis year scsi had plenti time come price won argu that scsi standard make for good impliment data highwai want intrins id isa bu come multi task manag data singl scsi hard drive
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bu clk speed articl uupcb hal ann arbor robert desonia hal ann arbor robert desonia write param bio setup that bu clk clock isa spec card can run that fast set fact and set back act weird you unexplain floppi drive error your modem lock you video problem etc you overdr bu that thing check you error your system pretti safe overdr your bu long your isa card work flawlessli suggest back your plai not bu set clk mhz problem soundblast pro zoom fxm rll control etc work fine set mhz simpli don past post routin doubt you damag plai allen
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	soundblast irq and port set solut switch interrupt irq unreserv contemporari comput irq for drive architechtur not completli true for class and machin irq reserv for lpt sinc rare second parallel port good safe choic you interrupt hand ran into problem that work gatewai comput modem mous and serial port set interrupt had real fight board us irq and discoverd problem that gatewai had set such that us irq disabl problem grumbl dai figur interrupt didn work mike spragu wbst xerox
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	diamond speedstar hicolor card isa system meg diamond speedstar hicolor video card meg vram and standard ctx svga monitor run window and overlap window applic overlap program manag window and close activ applic window erasur slow part window that not overlap eras slowli thi happen iconifi applic hicolor card advertis faster standard video card not acceler chip run thi slow speed simpli expect acceler chip that bottleneck system that unawar you can mail directli you genek ucsb edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	conner problem recent run norton disk surfac test realiz slow harddisk access begin test harddisk will check speed that surfac test scane half harddisk tremend slow occur expect time for oper will jump minut us harddisk tool check physic damag harddisk and report turn surfac test slow for section disk and turn back origin speed get section wonder whether harddisk problem problem comment will apprici shane chenei wang
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	phone number for western digit esdi problem esdi control rom bio work fine recent upgrad motherboard mhz maxter drive crazi make lot seek sound even drive not access numour hard disk control error symptom disappear switch turbo mode mhz suspect time depend rom bio routin newer version thi mother board ami bio cach mhz bu and work fine mfm drive had dig will send phone number tech support bb for western digit advanc jai physic seattl choe phy washington edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	cach micron eisa vlb motherboard thi silli question process purchas eisa bu comput and found two place that sell machin that want and price ar and us cach motherboard that brand motherboard opti chip set micron edg technolog and us micron eisa vlb motherboard that thi silli question sinc that micron motherboard manufactur never heard cach lean ar machin impress that for build good solid machin and good tech support dai and warrante year micron hand recent aquir edg technolog and not trust compani input thi micron machin clear choic posit neg compani heard cach motherboard micron micron motherboard etc advanc for inform mohammad ansari
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	int for joystick slow int read joystick and hideous slow cpu time spent read joystick and thi program that noth printf and joyread problem that lot program trap int smartdrv and slow hell interfac can read joystick port safe fashion poll and that isn platform clockspe specif brianzex
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	colorado jumbo for gatewai world std peter davi write instal colorado jumbo tape backup unit gatewai and coupl complaint don common problem feedback us thi system btw thi tower system similar configur colorado tower problem firstli gatewai ship tape even drive unit call complain that carri and compress you can fit tape pai extra for larg capac tape drive you sucker silli believ that logo front meant actual carri capac peopl thi sort thing for live call market lawyer prosecut call fraud perhap can bunch dupe buyer march corpor headquart data drive choos space optim compress scheme and start full backup softwar estim minut hour thi sound thi bit long system take minut thing hour tape grind time mean that your block size for write small chang block size write buffer size bigger backup dozen file access deni error window system comm drv keyboard drv shell dll etc window progman ex and coupl file tape directori had thi happen thi file open do file tape directori like execut file configur file for tape system recommend run backup do will make complet backup tape directori for and feedback thi system hear good sourc for blank tape cartridg prefer size cartridg won you good sinc drive won write physic data tape brent william brentw netcom san jose california
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	floppi drive problem problem floppi drive effort make drive drive switch order connect cabl serial card floppi id control boot chang cmo set reflect drive and drive drive light didn come and failur read drive switch cabl back origin posit and boot and restor origin cmo set light for floppi thi process and stai for long comput that disk drive spin disk access msd ex and norton detect drive detail inform norton tell that disk drive can offer suggest desper you for your time eric balog balog eniac sea upenn edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bit mode for ati final vesa driver for ati graphic ultra us thi view bit mode line pictur bit below pictur fine can wrong card softwar user name edward wong internet wong webo telephon
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	toshiba rom problem think get toshiba rom and hook scsi port media vision pro audio spectrum sound board thi configur work for gener toshiba rom drive you had hadwar problem door not open scratch disk door not close get stuck not close holder jam and relat problem advanc mark
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	problem adaptec scsi and jumbo tape drive replac exist dtc scsi control adaptec and troubl restor jumbo tape drive had troubl instal adaptec and do recognis scsi drive and exist id drive restor backup jumbo tape found that extrem slow estim time min actual time min troubl restor tape id drive rememb read that set had chang enabl jumbo drive and adaptec work togeth can find mention manual system config adaptec run fujitsu scsi id control run id jumbo run floppi control id appreci ron ronaldm extro ucc ron mastu ronaldm extro ucc mariposa phone work bilgola plateau home australia ron mastu ronaldm extro ucc mariposa phone work bilgola plateau
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor articl geh utdalla edu goyal utdalla edu mohit goyal write yeah read anoth newsgroup that high qualiti trinitron tube monitor soni for exampl and thi extra cost come high bandwidth come and fantast imag and larg imag size etc etc two annoi line across screen two third come toni caton compstat wharton upenn edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	buslog question goyal utdalla edu mohit goyal write can thi card work march beta sinc buslog card proven reliabl driver endus not oem manufactur will softwar packag card includ driver for novel unix xenix and thi card work toshiba cdrom do setup quantam scsi toshiba cdrom told buslog support adaptec and that perform want will work do periph you extrem for and repli
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	problem adaptec scsi and jumbo tape drive ron mastu ronaldm extro ucc wrote replac exist dtc scsi control adaptec and troubl restor jumbo tape drive document that wrote time back slightli date that do releas darryl okahata internet darrylo disclaim thi messag author person opinion and not constitut support opinion polici hewlett packard green men that dai adaptec txt darrylo rel darrylo hint and tip for adaptec scsi adapt thi document contain hint and tip for get adaptec scsi adapt work hardwar and softwar packag base experi adaptec control and will hopefulli note that cannot guarante that will you work for and inform thi document possibl you lose your file your hard disk import back entir content your hard disk base inform thi document copyright darryl okahata thi document freeli copi for person us and not reprint for profit public consent author note that connect adaptec custom topic cover thi document window enhanc mode floppi control base tape backup devic sound card miscellan info note that part thi document technic and sometim ters descript problem for refer adaptec technic support adaptec bb send comment correct etc email compuserv internet darrylo window enhanc mode window instal program automat configur do and window for us adaptec case wrong describ need window work you notic that instal window make your run slower even you not run window method speed discuss section call window run slowli msdo configur window instal program add smartdriv disk cach your config sy and autoexec bat file you follow instruct you notic that you us doubl buffer smartdriv thi default setup you notic that your system run slower window and msdo section call window run slowli for wai speed your system window configur adaptec work window make that enh section system ini file contain entri virtualhdirq that window instal program automat add thi entri system ini not thi doesn work for you you want ad line virtualhdirq systemrombreakpoint fals emmexclud cfff you don line systemrombreakpoint entri us enabl support for memori manag qemm max need you us such program window run slowli onc you window run chanc that your system run slower not you happen aspi do sy version your config sy file congratul thi appear win solut you lucki whether your luck will hold remain your system run slower thi almost caus smartdriv doubl buffer window document and microsoft technic note smartdriv doubl buffer requir aspi do sy you us smartdriv doubl buffer enabl thi work slow your onc estim that thi slow factor thi unaccept look for solut you cannot disabl doubl buffer you window enhanc mode will not work and you even destroi content your hard disk run window you can us driver that provid doubl buffer opinion that unbeliev slow smartdriv caus horribl ineffici doubl buffer bug smartdriv us driver that vd servic vd stand for virtual dma servic thi standard support window that bu master disk control work window trash hard disk countless time found solut requir smartdriv note that get occasion pariti error not caus solut below not requir smartdriv kind disk cach util strongli recommend thi make window run faster you not aspi do sy driver you not aspi function for control cdrom tape drive two physic hard disk etc you can add scsiha sy driver your config sy file driver scsiha sy window option thi driver load into low memori cannot load into high memori and occupi novemb scsiha sy driver obtain adaptec bb hopefulli you aspi function and aspi do sy driver version you can us aspi do sy and scsiha sy driver your config sy file driver aspi do sy driver scsiha sy amazingli scsiha sy driver can load high assum you do thought that thi crash system doesn ask adaptec technic support thi and that load scsiha sy high fine long aspi do sy load low system not scsiha sy aspi do occasion window crash restart exit window addit result corrupt disk window grp file corrupt for crash occur make program progman ex default window shell and vice versa thi reason scsiha sy absolut idea scsiha sy version aspi do earlier note that peopl can us aspi do scsiha sy not problem peopl lucki had sort problem opinion not necessarili easiest solut upgrad aspi do scsiha sy driver longer need you previou aspi do upgrad adaptec bb aspi do driver not adaptec bb wai copi you can bui novemb adaptec scsi driver kit supposedli includ aspi do driver such cdrom driver list price you copi older version aspi do you can supposedli contact adaptec upgrad scsi for copi aspi do includ central point tool for msdo note that document and driver store directori note that aspi do includ cdrom driver and driver support two hard disk not includ thi obtain copi aspi do note that get occasion pariti error window probabl defect hardwar caus thi upgrad motherboard found solut pariti error occur disk access small definit possibl that pariti error driver relat for exampl chang bu time for disk transfer thi run memori test for hour time and test found problem thi problem caus memori margin time requir pariti error disk transfer thi memori test didn find problem problem show disk mention thi case isn hardwar problem floppi control base tape backup devic two problem adaptec floppi control base tape backup devic such colorado memori system jumbo tape backup restor can long time tape drive constantli start stop start stop etc tape oper errat encount tape error thi problem caus defect hardwar heard peopl similar problem and mention thi case not hardwar problem tape backup restor long time you floppi control base tape backup devic you adjust adaptec bu time for result tape drive tape backup restor tape drive motor continu run occasion paus default bu time adaptec tape drive motor start and stop start and stop second thi needless wear tape and tape drive note that dirti tape head defect tape drive can thi make your tape head clean thi tape backup restor longer problem that tape backup us floppi dma transfer data memori tape drive and adaptec dma transfer data memori hard disk floppi dma feed data tape drive rate tape drive not fed data quickli floppi dma tape drive stop rewind bit and restart onc data eventu fed default bu time adaptec dma time larg for exampl backup data transfer hard disk memori and memori tape default time adaptec hog memori time spent transfer data hard disk memori not time spent transfer data memori tape drive result tape drive constantli start and stop data not fed quickli solut chang adaptec bu time default factori set microsecond and microsecond bu time lower microsecond thi can two wai you aspi do you can us option for exampl us bu time microsecond mean that us line config sy file devic aspi do sy note that space and you don aspi do your recours find program call setscsi ex difficult find reason that adaptec for reason not want thi wide distribut onc ask work for adaptec and ask not upload anywher you anonym ftp access internet you archi hunt copi that coupl site that you find copi you run setscsi thi adjust bu time microsecond run setscsi ex argument reset bu time back factori default note that that you cannot us setscsi ex you us aspi do setscsi ex crash system aspi do load us setscsi ex scsiha sy not lower bu time below microsecond increas microsecond you lower low hard disk throughput will suddenli drop your system will feel slower for microsecond work fine thi work fine for you you adjust onc you lower bu time tape backup and restor run faster not experi bu time option that intention not describ you you bad combin can pariti error and wors starv memori refresh program call bustifix ex exist adaptec bb thi upgrad sinc last check thi extract archiv contain batch file and coupl file thi batch file suppos set bu time for and run thi program system crash time run scsiha sy and didn check conflict thi program work doc that work errat tape oper tape error thi problem not exist exist system hardwar problem heard peopl similar problem and mention thi case isn hardwar problem symptom thi problem persist even clean tape head back tape encount unus sector detect error result abort tape backup tape backup work tape compar fail tape drive start stop start stop etc unlik mention problem tape backup restor long time tape drive start and stop second thi kind start stop occur second fastback not find tape backup devic program central point backup and cm jumbo softwar assum that you cm jumbo tape drive can find tape drive fastback cannot tape read error not caus thi problem discov that floppi control solv month ago upgrad motherboard contain integr floppi control had floppi control initi disabl motherboard floppi control decid disabl floppi control and motherboard thi tape drive cm jumbo reliabl increas dramat and fastback suddenli find and us tape drive don thi caus hardwar problem hand floppi drive work great attach that noth wrong hand tape drive didn work attach floppi control work attach control thi indic hardwar problem chang floppi drive cabl and conceiv that problem cabl don you similar problem you want floppi control sound card popular sound card can plai record digit sound and thi typic dma tape drive dma adaptec dma can conflict sound card dma unlik that tape dma thi conflict manifest pariti error your system crash pariti error messag happen that data transfer quickli sound card and adaptec memori refresh cannot occur quickli pariti error get pariti error mean that hardwar problem your system thi case pariti error not symptom bad hardwar found that such pariti error typic occur record digit sound and chanc such error increas you increas record fidel higher sampl rate record stereo record bit etc tape drive solut solut lower adaptec bu time section tape drive for inform thi note that thi not solv problem reduc probabl pariti error softwar us record digit sound can greatli affect thi problem softwar ineffici disk cach speed your hard disk and amount disk fragment can affect thi miscellan info thi section contain miscellan hint tip and rumor inform that heard read and not verifi that inform correct not us your risk qemm and you paramet you aspi do driver you don qemm will crash hang bootup qemm manual mention thi instal program not detect that present and automat add thi option qemm command line thi occur qemm instal program haven test version earlier version qemm thi paramet not never us version earlier you us aspi do you not give qemm paramet version not support hard disk gigabyt size support hard disk capac you rom bio adaptec not thi true latest sold adaptec connect cdrom drive you scsi cdrom drive and driver note that cdrom drive proprietari interfac scsi drive cannot us you choic for cdrom driver idea solut work even work secondhand inform you can bui adaptec scsi driver packag list for you older adaptec driver you can supposedli upgrad scsi for contact adaptec for detail scsi packag supposedli contain that you you can bui corelscsi driver packag made peopl that make coreldraw thi packag contain cdrom driver scsi tape driver worm driver etc not list price thi packag sold for note that corelscsi not come aspi do driver need you not aspi do you get adaptec scsi thi method obsolet driver obsolet adaptec scsi kit mention case driver you can us driver adaptec asw kit aspi do and asw kit aspi cdrom driver you will copi mscdex ex high level cdrom driver not includ asw kit thi bulletin board us scsi tape drive you softwar that talk scsi tape drive softwar that heard section cdrom drive idea solut work even work secondhand inform central point tool for msdo supposedli support larg number scsi tape drive come scsi driver aspi do central point backup corelscsi driver packag contain scsi tape backup program section cdrom drive for detail note that corelscsi not come requir aspi do advertis that sell configur scsi control hard disk rom bio scsi control bio and adaptec aspi driver scsi control bio adaptec aspi driver and corelscsi driver program imagin that adaptec sell fourth configur scsi control bio and scsi driver includ aspi driver peopl us unix interest version gnu tar for msdo that talk scsi tape drive aspi do driver you thi driver you can us thi program never us thi version gnu tar heard that work don you anonym ftp access internet copi can found wsmr simtel armi mil and mirror site msdo dskutl aspibin zip gnu tar for scsi tape drive adaptec aspipat zip patch for aspibin rel gnu tar aspisrc zip src for gnu tar for scsi tape adaptec ctrlr idea copi can found compuserv unixforum forum msdo concern and control msdo work hardwar for two board not ident and msdo program that initi not work work bsd version bsd unix case curiou edit copi config sy file file buffer break stack devic sy dev aspi do sy devic qemm qemm sy ram rom dma ffff do high umb devicehigh sy dev nnansi sy devicehigh do setver ex shell do command note that qemm and aspi do aspi do us config sy that look file buffer break stack devic sy dev aspi do sy devic qemm qemm sy ram rom dma ffff do high umb devicehigh sy dev scsiha sy devicehigh sy dev nnansi sy devicehigh do setver ex shell do command weren aspi do us that look file buffer break stack devic sy dev scsiha sy devic qemm qemm sy ram rom dma ffff do high umb devicehigh sy dev nnansi sy devicehigh do setver ex shell do command us floppi control base tape drive plan record high qualiti sound sound card chang adaptec bu time two version config sy care thi thi last version doesn local variabl fill column eval auto fill mode nil end
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	western digit info need western digit set pin back anoth hard drive and set for jumper written circuit board drive can rememb last you can find mark circuit board open machin and you mine kevin holli mcmaster univers hamilton ontario hollyk mcmail ci mcmaster
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	do boot disk requir you don want emm load articl poinnsvf levelland utexa edu sm utexa edu stephen mark sanderson write sm utexa edu stephen mark sanderson subject do boot disk requir you don want emm load date apr do user note you want plai game that hate us upper memori manag do not problem boot disk requir your system start hit kei thi tell bypass config and autoexec altogeth you plain gener session do noth load anoth function kei that step config sy ask you want execut each line forgotten moment you can find you not bypass config sy do function multi config you boot sy multi config kind that you can choos you config sy startup and find that good conflict qemm problem boot sy kei you trace config sy step step error phillip phillipau cuhk
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	western digit repli western digit voic mail can inform drive actual person end
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	problem initi describ manual step for initi card initdisplai bio call reg reg for resolut interrupt unlock regist lock for access regist set unlock regist lock for access syst control and syst extens regist unlock graphic command group set bit syst configur regist unlock advanc displai function set bit function control regist oper fifo stack empti watch statu graph proc statu full mean ffh place occupi empti mean place occupi read thi regist two wai time result machin eisa bu and local bu idea andrea dist institut fuer computersystem eth zuerich email dist inf ethz
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	recommend for local bu cach id control apr gmt divya sundaram sundaram egr msu edu wrote hear net wisdom and net opinion id control liek id control card for vlb motherboard good option for thi prefer work and compat stacker and disk compress maxtor isa id control machin vlb save transfer rate variat isa bu speed test speed mhz and mhz not differ problem not interfac control and memori advic bui meg ram save and enjoi perform penio penev internet penev venezia rockefel edu disclaim oppinion mine
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	appl hard disk drive want question bought hard disk drive second hand dai and open packag and that small sticker drive that had red appl bite socket not exist hard disk that comput fifti pin stick that stick hard disk don disk drive for appl mac us clone us thi hard disk clone not purchas quantum prodriv date green board will control add card appreci
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hard disk question articl aovai qube ocunix aovai qube ocunix aovai write disassembl and disk drive hard drive and floppi drive question can us drive drive thi hard drive floppi drive can doubt that you us hard drive drive mfm rll flavor bet your id drive two not compat control you us drive control your you plug your drive into your exist control you us floppi control that us timothi timhu ico isc intellig lack express interact system corpor not necessarili reflect resourc solut intern that thu grip uwyo edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	video board for system advic video card for system ram novel network monitor nec fge capabl vertic refresh rate major consider expect will work window do applic and want decent speed do word process databas and commun not intens graphic monitor expect will work and color plenti imag sharp fast and rock solid consider sometim run unix clone coher and understand that compani diamond don encourag parti develop driver move decid speed and reliabl window for databas work and multitask don local bu motherboard not invest isa video board versu get expens and upgrad local bu bui thing compani that treat custom you advic for love hear email post david todd depart psycholog univers massachusett amherst usa phone david todd psych umass edu fax
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	mountain tape backup mountain tape backup that compar note jumper set softwar ect contact maker thi drive you can contact mountain network solut gener number tech support bb for info david for tech and bb line thi bye slmr hobbi hobbi origin bb
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ctx start similar thread month ago and repli summari ctx nasti low qualiti avoid ctx proscan not good make cheap main problem poor qualiti control report pincushion problem had poor focu etc etc complain mine and tune dodn even pai ship and return dai clear focuss and pincushion barrel distort happi and digit control and mode memori nice trinitron nicer that price rang conclus you budget and prepar send back not perfect won you good potenti chri
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	isa eisa fri apr gmt jesper honig spring spring diku wrote can give opinion system system perform isa bu eisa bu eisa vesa royal cell such system for penio penev internet penev venezia rockefel edu disclaim oppinion mine
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi almost hernia laugh thi scsi will obsolet kill vesa local bu id real nice shaft buck for extra cost scsi drive pai anoth for scsi control huge softwar packag and file that produc id longer suffici for limit second rumor microsoft recogn import scsi and will support not do win rate deal corel make hear good cohes set scsi driver mark ashlei disclaim opinion not harri marka gcx ssd csd harri lost lo angelino
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	orchid fahrenheit sparkel answer you respond post offici respons orchid orchid awar problem rev board rev not care problem product schedul start april confirm that product start thi dai word tech line flame you compani orchid produc good qualiti product past helpful and will make screwup poor tech support time call spoke janitor talk crazi last time talk tech name paul and pretti good idea problem resovl depart will bui recommend orchid product flame you answer post terri
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	two question two question figur access cmo advanc chip set eisa motherboard air that ami bio specif set atclk wait state bu speed thi board can thi area greatli appreci for phone number for wangtek tape drive specif for jumper set drive advanc toni
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	eisa tape control qic format tape drive that come eisa control colorado isa and mca control mail mark ashlei disclaim opinion not harri marka gcx ssd csd harri lost lo angelino
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	choos power suppli previou articl lope cogsci ucsd edu alann lope problem that recent had bad and suggest that inadequ power suppli kind wattag run two larg maxtor and not expert understand watt output power suppli exce sum hard disk watt requir typic power suppli suffici power hope thi lau hon wah
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	vesa local bu previou articl guyd austin ibm gui dawson bear mind vlb stand for for video origion intent bu speed bu that larg memori memori transfer faster thi espic transfer data main memori video memori not picki vlb stand for vesa vesa stand for video vlb stand for video not correct
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	rom player you choos for netter cdrom drive order cancel and thought not net commun order nec cdr cheaper that want drive will us instal softwar and for listen perhap dai want us read that not relev moment offer rom player for price state claim scsi and oper drive not list cdrom faq and therefor give your opinion drive impress that not scsi nec list scsi cdrom faq and compat scsi product faq calcul price dutch guilder time time mitsumi crmc philip lm philip toshiba nec cdr bought that trantor that faq extrem cheap and scsi trick can order holland mastercard trantor regard name meuldijk address gildelaar teteringen fax holland mail volkert kub oooo oooo
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	perfect mag monitor intent mag thread wait for mine arriv mail lot complaint minor align problem articl contain comment that owner call factori and told that screen rotat spec monitor arriv last night and notic barrel distort not dramat and notic imag doesn fill entir screen fact that wors side doesn matter find minor imperfect norm monitor perfect don want send back and even wors problem factori thi kind thing normal and ship monitor perfect align netter live kind imperfect comment and opinion mine not bnr doug adcock adcock bnr bell northern research research triangl park
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	shop for nec monitor articl qjfa inn titan uc umass edu dtodd titan uc umass edu david todd write dtodd titan uc umass edu david todd subject shop for nec monitor date apr articl qhppp gha darwin sura net wbarn sura net bill barn write basic for svga interlac monitor nec comput mag us standard and and heard pretti good bit expens buck deal thought perhap find good for recommend thought nec fgx spec for scan frequenc limit comment thi work that nec replac and fgx fge and fge model reportedli releas end thi month wait for fge main differ year warranti and higher refresh rate higher resolut sound magazin note that fge boost number wai call nec number and send you info david todd depart psycholog univers massachusett amherst usa phone david todd psych umass edu fax nec fgx for month thi monitor had problem person spend extra monei for thi monitor and sacrific featur such mhz mhz base comment you want view fgx seri run window refresh rate appear for you feel differ final speak spend monei size todai file etc tape backup worth recent set friend mhz and vesa local bu redraw time for graphic program factor faster doubt warrant extra cost
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want opinion mag and nanao monitor sleep dragon ong mang iastat edu wrote bui monitor and that can decid monitor bui mag thi dpi version and triniton tube and nanao mind good luck find back decemb januari mag wasn produc couldn tube soni ask expect restart product will wait month not time wound get and extrem happi david david engel optic data system inc david od arapaho road richardson
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hard disk util you guru group and forgiv question frequent ask don answer recent problem comput seagat meg hard drive occasion find corrupt file time program work fine util that easili that can determin whether not problem result hard drive ill behav program hardwar item utilit determin whether not hard drive properli align etc expect greatli thi matter reformat disk and reinstal and hope that will fix problem assur problem can give opinion do compress and defragment routin good upgrad don routin oppos bui separ advanc for mitchel solti solti radonc unc edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	recommend for local bu cach id control articl apr sol ctr columbia edu penev venezia rockefel edu write hear net wisdom and net opinion id control liek id control card for vlb motherboard good option for thi prefer work and compat stacker and disk compress maxtor isa id control machin vlb save transfer rate variat isa bu speed test speed mhz and mhz not differ problem not interfac control and memori advic bui meg ram save and enjoi perform comput mhz bu isa mhz drive maxtor config sy autoexec bat do win smartdrv sy cach smartdrv ex core sec sec sec norton sec sec sec peopl vlb id want vlb bu speed us id drive want id drive can handl bu speed mhz friend and maxtor meg id drive get sec can rememb exactli bu run mhz thi case
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi dxb psuvm psu edu write articl qlbrlinn dn nmsu edu bgrubb dant nmsu edu grubb magazin april scsi twice fasst esdi faster id and support devic accept long stall incompat problem and instal headach love magazin writer make stupid statement that perform number list actual perform rang convinc that such statement absurd scsi rang scsi rang id rang esdi standard version thi show that you don scsi scsi scsi control chip rang and that you scsi scsi scsi control chip burst bit note increas speed mac quadra thi version scsi exist us thi set scsi bit scsi mode burst scsi bit wide fast mode burst scsi bit wide and fast burst your data scsi twice fast esdi correct scsi control chip scsi can reach faster id scsi fact post thi newsgroup mac ibm info sheet ftp sumex aim stanford edu info mac report mac ibm compar version txt part thi problem mac and ibm inconsi scsi document that quadra scsi chip appl salesperson fast scsi chip not burst not scsi maximum synchron and quadra ansynchron scsi slower that mac and ibm scsi interfac and scsi scsi interfac driven machin scsi control chip bit mode faster true scsi can don slam articl you don understand refer for quadra scsi control chip digit review oct
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	boot drive djweisb unix amherst edu david weisberg write drive drive can make system boot drive optim comput boot check order for bootabl disk switch cabl and simpli switch drive that can boot disk that boot won trick for davebo you can into setup byt press ctrl alt in ctrl alt printscreen that give you option set drive boot
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	sound read last coupl week articl desrib plai sound soundblast didn save articl and articl purg system whomev post articl detail connect wire post specif connect wire speaker card thx advanc carl
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bit box gatewai plai gatewai local bu machin last night appar that window didn give option for bit access for virtual memori perman swap file and disk drive local bu interfac thi expect investig bit option appear for scott linn scott hpcvccl
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	question serial mous work ibm notebook you happen can serial mous pin work ibm notebook kind bu mous connect serial and parallel interfac manual doesn two driver result that left and button recogn mous movement not cut shortcut wire mous for your eddi zondag philip research egzondag prl philip
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	laserjet upgrad dpi opinion larryhow austin ibm wrote current product upgrad resolut support postscript experi good bad qualiti differ notic plan produc camera readi copi home will higher resolut notic for you talk laser jet postscript don advantag pcl you peic hardwar plug into that work and can support languag that suit for job don pcl even capabl handl dpi specif experi laser master winjet bring dpi and postscript fast print mode not postscript and lower resolut dpi fast thi product your host processor process postscript even decent you slow slow compar high end workstat process qualiti differ notic and almost worth wait for process impati for camera imag grai scale imag accept word and hand winjet printer driver convert imag into postscript and hand winjet postscript processor postscript render into ram lot and shoot directli printer processor can accept file creat sourc includ do applic window run time print processor respons for halfton and pretti good job camera imag good opinion not good laser master demo don similar product surpris gordon lang
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	tandberg futur domain tmc seagat problem system work tandberg futur domain tmc seagat mfm control system boot tandberg disconnect system and scsi devic found scsi devic system boot seagat mfm control remov system futur domain card report find tandberg scsi bu system stop boot mfm hard disk can found system hang tandberg futur domain tmc seagat mfm control system conflict seagat and futur domain card funni thing that hang tandberg connect check that conflict bio address irq port miss lost suggest welcom advanc delman delman lee tel medic imag process group fax univers pennsylvania blocklei hall servic drive philadelphia internet delman mipg upenn edu
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	boot drive david weisberg djweisb unix amherst edu wrote drive drive can make system boot drive optim comput boot check order for bootabl disk switch cabl and simpli switch drive that can boot disk that boot won trick for davebo had issu plagu for month gatewai final tire perman interchang drive reason didn place had bootabl and base instal disk expect drive order softwar and upgrad and number stupid instal program that can handl altern drive declin time had upgrad and for bootabl cut replac switch drive not option you wire drive switch your comput chasi haven work long wire carefulli gordon lang
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	soundblast irq and port set cybard dudek acsu buffalo edu wrote uzun netcom william roger uzun write soundblast board and jumper irq port will thi conflict parallel port id control multi board ser par port and vga board choos anoth irq irq safe us motherboard recent ad modem comput and notic that lpt irq and card never had problem wonder not thought thi conflict explan thi can explain pro and lpt can share irq tom huot huot crai
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor rgb sync vga don thi obviou question can current batch window acceler card diamond etc us drive monitor rgb and horizont and vertic sync bnc jack altogeth connector back ahold raster technolog monitor cheap and wonder connect adapt rgb vga gatewai driver etc mike scanlon repli scanlon interlan
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	soundblast irq and port set apr walter crai huot crai tom huot write explan thi can explain pro and lpt can share irq simpli do doesn us irq for that you can share irq anssi anssi saari tut tamper univers technolog finland europ
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl qlbrlinn dn nmsu edu bgrubb dant nmsu edu grubb write magazin april scsi twice fasst esdi faster id and support devic accept long stall incompat problem and instal headach note not site factor price premium approx for control nice run hard disk tape drive rom and scanner dma channel and interupt scsi make sens you load machin you want standard box for window id make sens load box that scsi and run unix and standard box that run do window that id standard mean ram disk video int articl will plug and plai scsi articl you plug and plai scsi sinc scsi full impliment ten not devic beleiv thi last bit plain wrong scsi intergr site anoth part microsoft plug and plai program gui gui dawson hoskyn group plc guyd hoskyn tel hoskyn guyd austin ibm tel ibm austin usa
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	video card address add second base video card system compani that sell card that can coexist anoth color text monitor and fast color graphic configur address
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	switch switch floppi drive that drive becom becom problem that ribbon cabl switch cmo set reflect thi chang and that that correctli drive not oper correctli thi configur prompt type drive light come type light for and drive come jumper each drive label origin po po chang ttl suggest greatli appreci advanc eric balog balog eniac sea upenn edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	select backup solut netter purchas sort backup solut you read situat your opinion scenario two comput hous small id drive scsi drive adaptec control system tool and will us central point backup backup restor program system and floppi comput not network will anytim solut haven thought for option hear see flaw drive type won coexist devic etc think don beast put floppi drive combin drive each system can suppli cost and brand inform good brand floppi cost put intern tape backup unit scsi adapt and continu back floppi can recommend manufactur brand rememb colorado memori happi unhappi user compress controversi connect extern tape backup unit scsi adapt and connect suggest instal floptic drive each machin gotcha recommend for manufactur your you post send mail will summar respons for net georg georg pandelio internet gjp sei cmu edu softwar engin institut usenet sei gjp avenu voic pittsburgh fax disclaim opinion and not reflect softwar engin institut sponsor custom client affili carnegi mellon univers fact resembl opinion individu live dead fiction real pure coincident
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	drive won boot recent switch drive problem can read and write and correctli can boot floppi check cmo set set for floppi seek boot and boot order onc had floppi that not system file messag tell put disk system disk drive didn work system disk drive thi happen power and memori test light come light come short beep light come for instant light come noth happen light disk activ kind and screen blank can even us ctrl alt del suggest advanc eric balog balog eniac sea upenn edu
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	instal second id drive recent cousin second intern id drive seagat can model number import and instal vest interest sinc machin bust and us mine fix seagat id forget model number can find can bloodi thing manag drive disconnect not time whenev thing hang bootup never get past system test id control instruct sheet support two drive configur cmo correctli power plug properli even learn master slave relationship that two hd suppos didn pc into and configur jumper properli master slave thing can cabl wrong combin control master slave control slave master master control slave work can anoth possibl that partit into two seper drive and and cmo ask for drive and drive setup info drive and drive thi confus thing drive bereft doc for info for cmo setup control piec paper size index card cannib cabl connector each end and middl serial connect lost advanc thi practic emerg two paper thi thing for mondai william barn suranet oper wbarn sura net voic fax disclaim don speak for suranet and don speak for
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl qmgtrinnf dn nmsu edu bgrubb dant nmsu edu grubb dxb psuvm psu edu write articl qlbrlinn dn nmsu edu bgrubb dant nmsu edu grubb magazin april scsi twice fasst esdi faster id and support devic accept long stall incompat problem and instal headach love magazin writer make stupid statement that perform number list actual perform rang convinc that such statement absurd scsi rang scsi rang id rang esdi standard version your data scsi twice fast esdi correct twice you pick scsi setup that make statment correct even you make such statement meaningless you understood that esdi and id includ scsi and ata complet esdi devic level mfm rll scsi control chip scsi can reach faster id scsi fact great you can compar two number ata speed mode articl mislead wrong post thi newsgroup mac ibm info sheet ftp sumex aim stanford edu info mac report mac ibm compar version txt recommend peopl call ncr board and download ansi spec interest thi stuff part thi problem mac and ibm inconsi scsi document that quadra scsi chip appl salesperson fast scsi chip not burst not scsi maximum synchron and quadra ansynchron scsi slower that mac and ibm miss agre lot opportun for market jingo scsi compliant tell you noth perform whether wide support etc refer for quadra scsi control chip digit review oct us hopefulli good ncr chip
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor dy recent svga monitor act take minut warm previous start can cmo messag ram test etc wait for min displai show and start bright white flash thi happen system for long time overnight for coupl hour and turn displai work normal caus thi warn that will give sign ag system and yr us system work for year and never thi happen monitor appreci that you fellow netter can offer lot edwin edwin edwin ccu aukuni engin univers auckland privat bag auckland zealand
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	chang motherboard mess connector articl portland cap main edu jozef slabi portland cap main edu write chang motherboard had lot troubl get led spkr turbo turboswitch hdd klck rst connector correctli reconnect for exampl turbo switch had wire and motherboard connect two pin and solut thi rewir connector approach thi somewhat frustrat work turbo switch doesn work put replac motherboard system and had similar question cent worth speaker connector two wire speaker speaker coil bidirect and make differ you attach turbo switch wire control you want turbo becom activ switch push switch middl wire common us ohm meter figur wire connect common wire switch push and two wire connect switch place two wire turbo berg connector motherboard led turbo and led uni direct depend wire attach led will not light ami motherboard turbo switch wire not attach berg connector board board will power default turbo mode your motherboard that attac led wire board led doesn light power revers connector and work attach turbo switch board hope thi help dan moyer dan moyer columbiasc ncr
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	soundblast irq and port set articl tut tut anssi saari apr walter crai huot crai tom huot write explan thi can explain pro and lpt can share irq simpli do doesn us irq for that you can share irq that correct do you can us irq for your you can that irq for printer
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	western digit info need macc mcmaster holli write western digit set pin back anoth hard drive and set for jumper written circuit board drive figur jumper quit problem that perplex you wouldn drive work system format and hardwar instal problem that boot sequenc comput not want pass for system drive reiniti fine and bio configur drive test work thing come back drive and disk present spin you insert disk into drive system work fine and boot instal softwar addit thi will swood hunt michigan don despair close season opossum porcupin weasel red squirrel skunk starl feral pigeon english sparrow ground squirrel woodchuck trout season open last saturdai thi month
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi grubb bgrubb dant nmsu edu wrote wlsmith valv heart rri uwo wayn smith write meg meg sec scsi drive cost sinc quadra mac deal and hard drive start idea for mac extern etc thought you want latest price macweek meg int ext couldn find quantum low profil drive last quantum height drive bunch stuff delet scsi high end comput world multitask standard for part hear hear you can natur you greg shaw natur part natur shaw feanor xel love rocket uunet csn xel shaw
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	maxtor drive geometri jumper
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	for replac for jvc disk hold zenith laptop model zwl hard disk dead rest work zenith apart and found strang disk for wich replac disk mark jvc model spec thi disk suggest can find cheap replac for for your michael michael thurbin michael pcmith rk michael thurbin sommarvagen phone vaxjo fax sweden
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	video card address articl qmrdd umcc umcc umich edu jon umcc umcc umich edu jon zeeff write add second base video card system compani that sell card that can coexist anoth color text monitor and fast color graphic configur address for worth haven confirm diamond tech rep told that base video card us port address and thi true appear that you cannot us card your system lanc hartmann lanc hartmann austin ibm ibmpa awdpa ibm that percent sign network address statement comment opinion etc reflect author and not misconstru ibm for that matter
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	turbomodem complet question transfer softwar two machin and real troubl intel bi bi work fine talk and come clear thi modem machin turbomodem complet machin seper hous direct serial link imposs and copi thi data disk pain easier turn machin for hour and movi thi not pirat softwar end troubl set will dial and connect fine baud set comm kbp stupid thing connect garbag connect machin afn uart that not problem that stupid thing talk comm program bp even will dial instruct and respond etc command don comm program that can precis look manual unclear didn thi troubl intel readi connect thi initi bi and and mnp connect sinc test zip doesn idea btw initi string that us for modem error that moscow grandfath taught literatur orphanag trial rostov don confess gruesom sexual murder victim includ children young event modern histori sundai mail apr
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl lkev hpj feanor xel shaw feanor xel greg shaw write don you start spec sheet isa bu you can quot scsi spec till you blue face exce isa bu capabl point isa eisa vlb interfac worth invest thousand dollar worth monei don complain wasn you that scsi expens had year two ago isa bu bui scsi for isa isa slow you that scsi isa bu not automat winner compar id you didn read carefulli vlb id connect mechan standard id transfer rate limit id whether interfac isa eisa vlb matter not transfer rate id chang isa bu speed mine for thing scsi blow id water hand id throughput isn us workstat and file server id variant ibm mfm control that softwar point view never meant encompass protoc standard impliment across platform argument that id can can transfer data id drive fast drive provid data scsi version id drive deliv higher sustain transfer rate scsi interfac higher rpm platter arrang head etc origin question scsi us singl hard drive control scsi drive that will meg sec for scsi choic make senc meg meg sec scsi drive cost that nice thing multitask scsi can us drive onc unix load pc windog and can us two id drive time pretti ugli data drive anoth and scsi abil perform that transfer data cpu main memori that optim id can that cpu data drive data store main memori you that scsi can grab data drive time and store transfer that data main memori time work irq and dma channel isa bu bought quantum for mac home paid for haven id drive cheaper friend mine maxtor meg id drive for that million byte mega byte basic interfac get close meg sec transfer your figur includ hundr for scsi driver talk scsi expens simpli common interfac for had common read easili implement method ad scsi sun mac you find scsi connect medium choic you that scsi default interfac type that vast major don rom drive tape backup etc that had hard drive and run do that scsi hard drive cost lot mfm rll drive time and common scsi drive meg year ago lot lack common interfac card that prevent scsi connect medium choic won argu that scsi standard make for good impliment data highwai want intrins id isa bu come multi task manag data singl scsi hard drive singl drive scsi expens that point faster thi thi you perform for monei for peopl that will singl hard drive system will scsi choic give perform id you bought your for expand you want add drive true expand can start bu mean option for rom drive tape backup that run card you can add type devic and access concurr argument thi held time scsi buyer reason scsi devic will time scsi buyer eventu acquir make sens scsi for singl hard drive system scsi devic work machin mac and home and move hard drive nice scsi hook and post scsi spec you that and appl scsi hard drive compat and even data access machin format partit file tabl differ plug plai scsi devic work togeth id devic for instanc recent ad older connor meg id maxtor meg id connor setup slave will work scsi you set address check termin plug and drive connor becom logic drive do thi problem problem id mutual exclus notic that time take switch access drive drive quit long compar time take switch drive scsi system multitask thi notic thing can onc two id drive system for temporari file transfer never differ switch drive differ transfer file drive drive neat thing that notic fring benefit abil add older almost dead drive storag scsi system problem bunch almost dead meg drive that ad interfac full meg drive meg drive tape drive and meg drive card that nice long power suppli can that possibl for id drive simpli put scsi handier id mysteri jumper figur mysteri and expens driver figur id doesn requir driver that consum preciou convent do memori
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	toshiba rom problem msmith beta triciti wsu edu mark smith write think get toshiba rom and hook scsi port media vision pro audio spectrum sound board thi configur work for gener toshiba rom drive you had hadwar problem door not open scratch disk door not close get stuck not close holder jam and relat problem and favorit rom drive nec and had experi drive phillip drive faster nec door nec hand handl nec boot rom fly replac nec anoth toshiba jw
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	identifi thi ethernet card simon moscow uidaho edu mike simon write articl qhvuninnhau emori mathc emori edu splee org seng poh lee speedi write ethernet card bu that apollo workstat identifi order us assembl number rev and bit card circa aui port bnc coax connect select address for bio dma and irq locat berg jumper appear intel processor board for buffer ethernet chip appear intel pin dip packag thi chip equival us card pin plcc chip call link two similar sound board for dirt cheap assi number not seri your descript fit aka etherlink card check ftp driver and diagnost program for and card conclud that card ran diagnost program for succesfulli pass fly colour packet driver for card juha liukkonen aka jliukkon helsinki univers helsinki dept lost soul trust sledg hammer
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl apr julian uwo wlsmith valv heart rri uwo wayn smith write won argu that scsi standard make for good impliment data highwai want intrins id isa bu come multi task manag data singl scsi hard drive thi thread and figur throw two cent amiga zorro bu compar isa bu mhz amiga had pre empt multi task sinc and can oper ram scsi us almost exclus system scsi control that transfer data dma cpu request data hard drive and continu work control get data and move memori control that reselect can oper even multipl devic thi espic true scsi tape unit for exampl rewind format tape command issu control and bu releas access devic bu thi greatli increas product back your hard drive happen read thi group long stori us id for cdrom scsi can move machin and scsi standard and support ibm clone machin plan complet rid id wayn summer amiga simpli palm bai wayn amtow spacecoast org quot week don hate microsoft microsoft hate product lame found ibm misc
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	toshiba rom problem articl apr serval net wsu edu msmith beta triciti wsu edu mark smith write onc you put good word for that work had problem toshiba work do and for you don load special driver instal will detect that toshiba drive and you btw fast carlo rimola sarti email rimola csisdn connect strategi inc car btr isdn pri connect phone
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl wayn amtow spacecoast org wayn amtow spacecoast orgx newssoftwar grn mike schwartz michael smith write articl apr julian uwo wlsmith valv heart rri uwo wayn smith write won argu that scsi standard make for good impliment data highwai want intrins id isa bu come multi task manag data singl scsi hard drive thi thread and figur throw two cent amiga zorro bu compar isa bu mhz for fact that superior isa bu amiga had pre empt multi task sinc and can oper ram scsi us almost exclus system for system that ship id control toodlepip marc
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	olivetti floppi connect olivetti floppi drive second drive panason machin sort talk get spin and step disk not readi error two jumper work open posit dip switch and posit dip switch don set dip switch and that problem inform advic junk stupid thing appreci email repli prefer jdresser tymnet
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl wayn amtow spacecoast org wayn amtow spacecoast orgx newssoftwar grn mike schwartz michael smith write want intrins id isa bu come multi task manag data singl scsi hard drive scsi control that transfer data dma cpu request data hard drive and continu work control get data and move memori id dma techniqu floppi control dma and board us dma dma big deal and noth directli scsi for exampl rewind format tape command issu control and bu releas access devic bu thi greatli increas product back your hard drive happen read thi group you can your softwar for that do had brain format floppi etc you hardwar will support do won thi noth scsi long stori us id for cdrom scsi can move machin and scsi standard and support ibm clone machin plan complet rid id and you stick do you you can multitask can unix type miracul thing id harddriv that can singl scsi hard drive
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	junior usabl fianc junior and upgrad full us monitor machin heard mcga ega not us card can us drive control floppi etc for bryan bryan welch amateur radio sfg internet europa vnet ibm bwelch scf nmsu edu will perish save love and music scot gaelic proverb disclaim opinion
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	baud spirit modem world want bui spirit data fax modem made heard perform stabl not give advic addit heard new local distributor that baud ccitt rom distributor will ccitt standard for thi modem will produc end thi year replac rom thi rom thi spirit can transfer data baud hardwar altern thi true and telephon line transfer such high speed give advic last can contact central dealer quickcomm inc not whether not leav mail you leung hong kong univers
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi wlsmith valv heart rri uwo wayn smith write bought quantum for mac home paid for haven id drive cheaper friend mine maxtor meg id drive for that million byte mega byte basic interfac get close meg sec transfer your figur includ hundr for scsi driver sinc mac scsi for hard drive figur includ hundr for scsi driver thi sloppi peopl and dumb that point faster thi thi you perform for monei onc scsi spec list scsi scsi control chip synchron rang asynchron rang slower scsi scsi control chip burst bit note increas speed mac quadra thi version scsi exist pc us thi set scsi bit scsi mode burst for want scsi don want pai for bit bit hardwar mess scsi softwar control usabl scsi devic close bit scsi speed scsi bit wide fast mode burst scsi bit wide and fast burst interfac dxb psuvm psu edu speak id rang synchron and asynchron mode asynchron slower rang esdi standard version problem inconsit us term scsi articl and peopl proper mean set scsi interfac compos scsi and scsi inconsit us scsi below quot comment magazin april scsi twice fast esdi thi asynchron scsi scsi chip faster id thi asynchron scsi scsi chip and bit scsi read consitantli quot read asynchron scsi scsi chip asynchron scsi twice fast esdi speed id asynchron scsi scsi chip bit scsi scsi scsi chip and bit scsi time fast esdi faster id note nonus scsi thi elimin ambagu scsi driver somewhat reason bit and bit scsi driver expans bit scsi can us scsi driver speed degrid mac quadra exactli thi continu thi thread state scsi you talk scsi scsi scsi scsi and scsi make differ
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	junior usabl articl apr sernew raleigh ibm europa tomcat raleigh ibm welch bryan write fianc junior and upgrad full us monitor machin heard mcga ega not us card can us drive control floppi etc thing you salvag junior floppi drive and monitor floppi and monitor cga you will adaptor cabl us junior not us standard card you strap for cash you junk thing and bui stuff dan daniel matthew coleman internet dcoleman ccwf utexa edu dcoleman utxvm utexa edu univers texa austin decnet utxvm dcoleman electr comput engin bitnet dcoleman utxvm bitnet
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl qpu uinnbt dn nmsu edu bgrubb dant nmsu edu grubb write wlsmith valv heart rri uwo wayn smith write sinc mac scsi for hard drive figur includ hundr for scsi driver thi sloppi peopl and dumb group thi thi not mac group onc scsi spec list spec list talk scsi not mac unix box and talk isa bu possibl eisa vlb thi isin comp periph scsi perform figur singl scsi drive isa eisa vlb bu theoret perform figur not relev thi group thi debat that platform that can handl meg sec scsi xyz wide fast isin continu thi thread state scsi you talk scsi scsi scsi scsi and scsi make differ scsi design peopl had act togeth built scsi port
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	network heard that call network that two network join serial port thi greatli mail thi tschew etc
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	buslog question articl tigerc netcom tiger netcom tiger zhao write goyal utdalla edu mohit goyal write can thi card work march beta sinc buslog card proven reliabl buslog card driver that work march beta support for buslog card not includ longer you instal beta rom you will rem adaptec devic driver nasti tendenc crash buslog card attempt us adaptec you add buslog driver config sy rom boot disk and rem adaptec driver you instal half beta and won work ibm nice copi adaptec driver onc ibm rem adaptec driver onc and reboot you order will work thing pretti smooth rest instal will instal adaptec scsi driver onc end you rem statement and fun come driver and cost adaptec card that not come driver do driver work great thi card can easili configur work set port and you can us multipl host adapt machin you card will support drive do hope thi help dan dan galpin galpin cat ucsc edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	data path width bit speed doubl evolut data path width doubl bit speed data process not increas rate question relationship bettween data path width and data process speed advanc for input robert
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	address interliv address interliv and memmori modul interliv advanc for info robert
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	search for bad memori chip articl cat david cat dave write thi idea share check for bad memori chip creat boot disk emm himem sy and ramdriv sy config autoexec bat boot creat ram drive larg us disk repair util us ndd run ram drive will run devic driver run pass quick your machin fail defin bad memori chip your machin pass conflict program you load memori interest idea worst case data pattern develop test magnet media total pattern us detect common fault memori chip bob nichol bell laboratori rnichol ihlpm att
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	buslog question beta support for buslog card not includ longer not thi disappoint you instal beta rom you will rem adaptec devic driver nasti tendenc crash buslog card attempt us adaptec yep that latest and futur adaptec driver for string adaptec that effect card bio
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	freez perri egelm perri wswiop win tue wrote ladanyi cornel edu szlo lada nyi write problem occasionali machin freez that thought recent discov that machin work keyboard freez and clock drop turbo mhz standard mhz mode perhap you hit control doesn explain clock rate drop had problem compani chang keyboard bio and that fine dealer told that board that seri defect kbd bio michael michael jester gun michael gerhard preussenstrass germani neuss voic
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	western digit info need holli macc mcmaster wrote western digit set pin back anoth hard drive and set for jumper written circuit board drive jumper us drive conner xxx jumper set drive alon drive master drive slave michael michael jester gun michael gerhard preussenstrass germani neuss voic
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	port modem mous conflict phil hunt phil howtek wrote kind stuff machin serial port and and share irq you mean can plug mous into and modem into and expect work coher etc drive port poll mode irq your exampl access modem mous won work you reboot irq us modem answer chang irq for port and matter irq set port you can chang irq for depend your hardwar irq irq you printerport irq you can chang irq printer for you can assign irq free irq can us your card bit and caould access irq michael michael jester gun michael gerhard preussenstrass germani neuss voic
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	isa bu pin question diamond speedstar todai reciev warranti replac for diamond speedstar card notic jumper label card revis detect work shown that thi jumper simpli connect disconnect bale line pin part isa bu question simpl peopl thi revis speedstar manual claim that thi jumper isa refer function bale line relat note ftp site descript refer isa bu motherboard manual simpl pin signal name chart that dougla dougla pokorni drp camelot bradlei edu major geisert hall resid conveni locat bradlei univers armpit illinoi peoria
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	int for joystick slow inn name nerdc ufl edu lioness oak circa ufl edu write int read joystick and hideous slow cpu time spent read joystick and thi program that noth printf and joyread you read print reason for joystick stuff not time even effici problem that lot program trap int smartdrv and slow hell interfac can read joystick port safe fashion poll and that isn platform clockspe specif truth that int joystick read slow read directli hardwar port note that expos you intermitt disturb interrupt you want read twice row and lower result don turn interrupt prove detriment health high speed comm and devic exampl thi joi exampl read joystick port poll hardwar port directli inp outp for byte port access will timeout int count count thi sampl read port present and comment you can read onc merg two will time joystick not connect optim thi routin sinc run for long joystick circuitri written eyal lebedinski eyal is canberra edu includ stdio includ stdlib includ conio extern int readjoi int int int int defin joyport defin xjoi for joystick us defin yjoi for joystick us defin xymask xjoi yjoi defin for joystick us defin for joystick us int return readjoi int int int int regist int count regist char temp joi temp char xymask count outp joyport set trigger temp joi char inp joyport temp xjoi count temp yjoi count count temp joi xymask joi joi return count thi main for demonstr int main int printf hit kei exit kbhit readjoi printf
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	for larg mono color vga monitor for monitor larger that and card guess prefer and mono becuas lower price email brand model condit and ask price includ thi messag for refer alavi ssa uniti ncsu edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	mitsumi rom driver fix for qemm you faith mitsumi rom owner notic qemm can load you rom driver high ain bitch you can call quarterdeck bb and hold driver that can load high don test and work great small nose loos girl nippl iczer curl gerard pinzon gpinzon tasha poli edu join eca wehrmacht kill
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	lead edg comput bui comput store and want thi good comput wrong switch motherboard thi comput becom slow thi lead edg comput will difficult find motherboard that will fit thi comput will greatli appreci lead edg model intel mhz cpu support intel overdr clock doubl processor thi upgrad ram upgrad intern cach disk drive hard drive vga video resolut video ram color bit isa expans slot local bu socket bit isa compat drive bai extern pin centron type parallel port serial port pin pin analog video connector compat mous port watt power suppli kei keyboard and mous includ softwar includ window do microsoft work for window store monitor for thi good price nicol bell templ univers philli mail address astro oci templ edu prodigi jpkn you not part solut you part precipit steven wright
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	adaptec problem configur gatewai micron isa ram id drive id drive adaptec scsi control scsi bio enabl seagat scsi drive alrighti boot adaptec bio messag drive instal drive instal adaptec scsi bio not instal and can seagat drive into phoenixbio setup remov entri for drive and boom can access seagat two id drive and seagat time aspi do sy hang system brian
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	boot drive glang slee srl ford gordon lang write david weisberg djweisb unix amherst edu wrote drive drive can make system boot drive optim comput boot check order for bootabl disk switch cabl and simpli switch drive that can boot disk that boot won trick for davebo had issu plagu for month gatewai final tire perman interchang drive reason didn place had bootabl and base instal disk expect drive order softwar and upgrad and number stupid instal program that can handl altern drive declin time had upgrad and for bootabl cut replac switch drive not option you wire drive switch your comput chasi haven work long wire carefulli thi us relai radio shack pdt huge switch thi relai break drive will work work fine you chang cmo drive switch will work correctli for program roger pao gordiu bagdad mt rpao rpao mt mivj
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	jumper set for microsci time thi inform microsci hard drive and set jumper and for master slave configur will gladli accept info sit room collect dust wait for instal huge applic advanc and regulari check id harddisk spec that post adam cheal rick ubc
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	lead edg comput bui articl apr cronkit oci templ edu astro oci templ edu ci sec spr write comput store and want thi good comput wrong stuff delet lead edg model intel mhz cpu support intel overdr clock doubl processor thi upgrad ram upgrad intern cach disk drive hard drive vga video resolut video ram color bit isa expans slot local bu socket bit isa compat drive bai extern pin centron type parallel port serial port pin pin analog video connector compat mous port watt power suppli kei keyboard and mous includ softwar includ window do microsoft work for window store monitor for thi good price recent bought lead edg mini tower case and work fine lead edg decent brand and not tend that decent deal thing you want wari that comput back plane mount motherboard motherboard card that can plug backplan peopl don configur second thing that set comput factori didn instal window video driver didn even advantag svga card monitor forward configur system optim coat hanger brain itch impster umcc ai org turnip rever and charl budensiek worship deserv you want
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	esdi id articl apr monu monash edu el fawlti eng monash edu chow write articl qegfd dqi wsini info win tue monti wsini info win tue guido leender write us esdi control hdd togeth id harddisk control isa system read stuff secondari control thi trick work advanc guido monti win tue question guido us esdi drive master and id drive slave can definitili that you can us rll master and id slave upgrad machin id and custom control mdl extend id control maintain rll wren master drive trick control support id drive coexist exist control mfm rll esdi scsi document work esdi and can assur you work rll bruce powel email bss brucep seqeb gov
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	adaptec problem lioness mapl circa ufl edu wrote configur gatewai micron isa ram id drive id drive adaptec scsi control scsi bio enabl seagat scsi drive alrighti boot adaptec bio messag drive instal drive instal adaptec scsi bio not instal and can seagat drive into phoenixbio setup remov entri for drive and boom can access seagat two id drive and seagat time aspi do sy hang system brian simpl answer memori serv scsi bio will work second drive built drive id instal and scsi bio run will instal drive two drive can solut simpl us aspi do devic driver and disabl scsi bio useless your case work champ similar situat good luck gordon lang
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	grayscal displai quick comput shopper gave compani that sell monochrom monitor for compat cornerston technolog digit technolog hardwar that fit ibm ikegami imag system nanao radiu ran ger technolog sampo samsung sigma design singl scan monitor useless for user post request for inform newsgroup fruitless manag track two multisync grayscal monitor rang and into and will post result info into group purchas aniel thumim dthumim mit edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	tseng lab video card problem tseng lab video card that problem super vga mode checkit report video page frame address error page frame thi mean and can thi fix card
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	parallel port can inform us direct printer port successfulli us toshiba laptop enabl bit port and control bit port for direct data flow for output for input code not work desktop machin heard that us bit port thi not work for parallel port id super card and run tape backup unit parallel scsi convert pretti that printer port direct inform greatli appreasi post repli email internet rick cabsav vut edu richard muratti origin custom program bb
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ibm teac nation new group success replac friend origin ibm floppi disk normal teac drive identifi power suppli pin and short pin switch and insert pullup resistor pin and comput doesn complain miss light stai time drive spin insert disk can access teac work fine normal point miss you volkmar volkmar grote stollmann
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want isa mous port high interrupt sound card interrupt two serial port for modem for miracl piano and printer port run low interrupt mous port interrupt interrupt mous port isa comput call technic support microsoft logitech ati check interrupt mous port ati video card can us and interrupt card lower board for isa bu will mous port even serial port high interrupt loran yourk lyourk ihlpm att
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	can write floppi articl qndvd jhn usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu andi nicola write previou articl limagen hpwala wal you expert answer quick machin floppi unabl write format disk machin claim that disk write protect not note read problem mail post disk not type disk extra hole case opposit normal write protect hole drive will not write disk you can punch similar hole handi bui small devic squar hole puncher for back page comput shopper magazin for make hole you can write andi nicola you write disk make hole stig
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	compaq configur compaq owner friend mine compaq portabl iii and lost manual and diskett get machin equip definit cmo memori configur machin that byte incorrectli set that compaq byte defin not ibm compat machin you compaq diagnost diskett and thi need can reach quickli compaq dealer email document configur softwar heikki haldr mail hhaldr sune stacken kth hhaldr park tartu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	alr proveisa experi alr proveisa system interest hear your impress and alr gener you mark winqwk mark seltzer ravina cre toronto ont canada rosemail rosenet usenet gatewai rose media
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want isa mous port high interrupt lyourk cbnewsc att loran yourk write sound card interrupt two serial port for modem for miracl piano and printer port run low interrupt mous port interrupt interrupt mous port isa comput call technic support microsoft logitech ati check interrupt mous port ati video card can us and interrupt card lower board for isa bu will mous port even serial port high interrupt put irq for your port irq hardwar will automag wrap irq irq class machin high irq thi set irq irq address thi softwar irq soundblast irq lpt irq and ati busmous port interrupt work great you even text file float that detail hack serial card and work higher irq basic involv cut trace low irq and run wire high irq pin bit expans bu will put modem port irq thi will irq servic system give modem respons handi multitask run problem justin jdolsk andi bgsu edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	isa limit rpao mt mivj write articl mt mivj marka ssd csd harri mark ashlei write writer claim that glitch can occur system that limit that part don understand ram motherboard cpu problem talk ram can explain thi floppi serv dma motherboard and origin dma control can reach address space isa bu joerg
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want subject email skcgoh tartaru uwa edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	swap boot drive machin drive and drive want swap drive tia david todd depart psycholog univers massachusett amherst usa phone david todd psych umass edu fax
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want advic comment build month intend build system for remot monitor comment advic you choic motherboard hdd and board recommend for good compani sell big peter green peter green tel fax janet prg mcc nessi internet prg nessi mcc includ std disclaim
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	conner spec can send conner harddisk specif cyl and intrest time valu precomp etc heikki haldr internet hhaldr sune stacken kth
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hint vlb isa eisa motherboard bui companion brand vlb isa eisa motherboard hint chipset had experi thi board good bad inform help brian schaufenbuel brian schaufenbuel art govern sooner learn helser halst that drain monei pocket am peopl colleg student adam smith
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	detect mous hardwar level writ program that check comput for configur run everytim comput boot campu network run not get info want want check for mous check for mous driver code microsoft mous book guarante that driver load program run that load driver sinc interest hardwar attach machin detect mous attach can mous driver can advanc andi andi berkvam wholli dead wisconsin steven point blow dead man ember cleveland freenet and live flame will start internet aberkvam spu uwsp edu robert grave
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl ucdavi edu rocki ucdavi edu great randal write can explain fairli simpl term scsi control id will perform suffer that for drive don tape drive rom appreci richard randal hamlet ucdavi edu multi task comput you cpu power you had and that overlap overlap your cpu can continu disk oper underwai overlap your cpu sit idli wait for each disk oper finish and disk oper etern compar fast cpu you multi task you want increas perform increas amount overlap you dma bu master make for devic move data into and memori interrupt cpu altern for cpu move data scsi interfac card that dma and bu master id defin standard interfac creat for ibm requir cpu move data byte dma richard krehbiel richk grebyn will for amigado for come
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl apr julian uwo wlsmith valv heart rri uwo wayn smith write articl kvinnndk dn nmsu edu bgrubb dant nmsu edu grubb write point view scsi advantag come multi task data data and anywher drive can scsi find faster can drive and into comput faster cach system thought scsi good manag data bu multipl devic attach talk singl drive explain scsi inher faster manag data hard drive adaptec seri us bu master thi mean that cpu doesn sit wait for data byte can and comput you advanc multi task that do sit and wait id integr devic electron common standard and us for medium size drive can hard drive asynchron transfer max don you start spec sheet isa bu you can quot scsi spec till you blue face exce isa bu capabl point id limit meg sec vlb id perform don you start spec sheet isa bu id design plug into isa virtual unaid essenc id isa ribbon cabl spec isa mhz clock bit width sec thi conclud that id bu wast fast slot card job slow bu transact isa speed heck that isa slot us richard krehbiel richk grebyn will for amigado for come
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl hcx ssd csd harri marka hcx ssd csd harri mark ashlei write huge softwar packag and file that produc id longer suffici for limit list seagat id hard drive second rumor microsoft recogn import scsi and will support not do win window support scsi varieti adapt for disk tape and rom richard krehbiel richk grebyn will for amigado for come
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl apr julian uwo wlsmith valv heart rri uwo wayn smith write articl wayn amtow spacecoast org wayn amtow spacecoast orgx newssoftwar grn mike schwartz michael smith write want intrins id isa bu come multi task manag data singl scsi hard drive scsi control that transfer data dma cpu request data hard drive and continu work control get data and move memori id dma techniqu floppi control dma and board us dma dma big deal and noth directli scsi id not dma thi hard disk interfac control move sector buffer memori control card cpu move data buffer main memori need id doesn work thi not compat heck id us dma you hear kind complaint isa bu system ram not work id drive dma address limit isa bu and id dma troubl btw dma enabl signal id cabl spec last report heard that never implement requir kind id adapt and driver richard krehbiel richk grebyn will for amigado for come
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	nec printer question pick second hand color option for nec pin dot matrix printer ala instal instruct total confus won remov actaual print head almost fit not quit info appreci jon chopin udel edu for cent eutsch pai dollar
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	boot drive articl khan nova khan nova gmi edu mohammad razi khan write glang slee srl ford gordon lang write david weisberg djweisb unix amherst edu wrote drive drive can make system boot drive intermedi repli suggest cabl switch delet ami bio poke bio haven thi boot assum that you slip althoug haven and don mess your cmo you your hate burst your bubbl you cannot slip that ami bio set that set you set boot order floppi respect primari check check gordon lang mohammad khan khan nova gmi edu juli send mail mkhan nyx edu regard paul yee yee nimio eng mcmaster
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	conner question configur thi drive slave model repli mail jeff electron prefer hole for mutual annhili boycott sierra ignor purport window user support maker hardwar and softwar bui canadian music quit smoke run synthesi cga audio jk ritvax isc rit edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	perfect mag monitor articl apr brtph bnr adcock bnr doug adcock write intent mag thread wait for mine arriv mail lot complaint minor align problem articl contain comment that owner call factori and told that screen rotat spec that figur for imag rotat high nec spec call for greater monitor arriv last night and notic barrel distort not dramat and notic imag doesn fill entir screen fact that wors side doesn matter find minor imperfect norm monitor perfect don want send back and even wors problem factori thi kind thing normal and ship monitor perfect align can speak for mag innovis nec concern adjust factori spec leav central usa distribut point for eastern canadian market kei nec that monitor adjust sensit ship distanc bump rough handl and such and expect and theori requir that local distributor not dealer adjust local servic centr bull inform system toronto sale thi correct and chanc receiv perfect monitor definit perfect depend picki case quit netter live kind imperfect for not will accept consid substandard monitor and two month wrangl and direct contact nec final receiv satisfactorili adjust monitor not perfect imho major improv dealer and distributor convinc normal short answer don accept imperfect normal for premium pai for larger screen monitor expect higher qualiti and you persist you receiv comment and opinion mine not bnr doug adcock adcock bnr bell northern research research triangl park regard paul yee yee nimio eng mcmaster
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	upgrad modem tandon type modem that info apart fact that black info thi modem upgrad repli mail cdw dc chri mail cdw dc walton cplab tel weekend write romero place edinburgh finagl fourth law onc job foul improv make wors chri mail cdw dc walton cplab tel weekend write romero place edinburgh
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi richk grebyn richard krehbiel write stuff connect id and ida deleat mhz clock bit width sec id speed come ida sight for id come scsi not complex industri and talk kei differ scsi control chip port and softwar that scsi thi stand point scsi asynchron and synchron mode softwar scsi driver asynchron slower synchron mode synchron speed can reach scsi divic rewrit softwar driver case for mac quadra scsi bit thi main sourc for confus thi differ scsi control chip machin mac and pc thi call fast scsi scsi port and softwar driver and can produc scsi speed scsi inspit thi even slower asynchron mode averag speed asynchron scsi mode quadra and higher end pc synchron mode higher burst rate scsi bit two version wide fast wide scsi requir two thing bit scsi scsi softwar driver and wide scsi port machin and extern devic fast scsi requir two thing bit scsi scsi driver softwar and that reciev devis support bit fast scsi speed burst scsi bit wide and fast scsi bit scsi thi requir scsi driver softwar wide scsi port and that reciev devic bit mode scsi chip expect thi expenc speed burst simpl version scsi seper softwar control chip and port standar softwar and drop version scsi seper hardwar chip and port
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	pentium previou articl rrn cwru edu robert novitskei qestion for you will upcom pentium system compat current simm and vlb card info help plunk hardwar bob depend motherboard impliment will make vlb motherboard that take simm and pentium processor that will motherboard that won
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	trident and lot enquiri and compat gener softwar hardwar orient wrong newsgroup claim happen board jumper detail for trident svga graphic card even dip switch end mine work fine albeit slow and blown monitor found switch control interlac interlac facil curiou dip switch card apparantli us secondli commodor had craze design motherboard respect ram can suppli pin detail for expans port for bit even sampl circuit irq button press yeah piec cake lazi softwar wise care divulg tip access expand ram program written turbo for instanc farcoreleft and coreleft return memori base combin emm etc etc want us ram and boundari not whether farmalloc suspect not half brain wit creat do not entrant follow comment us do call do interrupt will chang stack size entri us two articl read subject conflict view view write direct screen memori term portabl gotta bar close cheer ian
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hand scanner want fellow netter market for hand scanner don ey two choic dexxa thi scanner wal mart for includ graywork softwar and dpi and grayscal ocr softwar catchword mail order for mustek grai artist for window thi scanner offer grayscal cad graphic and dpi for mail order and come perceiv ocr and pictur publish geniu hand scanner cad graphic basic mustek scanner for resolut dpi and price basic recommend bui heard that logitech make and manufactur dexxa scanner bui dpi help output laserjet iii canon lean mustek offer featur and middl term price bui you hand scanner whether not you recommend you anoth scanner price rang that deal mail and greatli appreci kevin harter
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	boot drive articl apr mcshub dcss mcmaster yee nimio eng mcmaster paul yee write articl khan nova khan nova gmi edu mohammad razi khan write glang slee srl ford gordon lang write david weisberg djweisb unix amherst edu wrote drive drive can make system boot drive intermedi repli suggest cabl switch delet heard boot zip exactli you want touch check archi
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	mitsubishi hard drive mitsubishi hard drive rll mfm that storag and will not format suspect that switch set move movement drive place anoth switch set for thi drive switch and switch that select drive number you info thi drive number can call configur email cyl head and type advanc chuck brown charl brown brown galoi nscf org univers brown moe coe uga edu augusta georgia cbrowni ei calstat edu
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor rgb sync vga scanlonm rimail interlan michael scanlon write don thi obviou question can current batch window acceler card diamond etc us drive monitor rgb and horizont and vertic sync bnc jack altogeth connector back ahold raster technolog monitor cheap and wonder connect adapt rgb vga gatewai driver etc mike scanlon repli scanlon interlan you monitor cabl that vga connector end and bnc connector bought nanao bought nanao monitor us bnc connector check comput store that sell good monitor quit compani us that setup
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	tape backup question articl apr sol ctr columbia edu jerri msi jerri shekhel write folk archiv intern qic tape drive pretti compar colorado jumbo sinc two floppi drive system small card not acceler made archiv attach tape drive floppi devic problem do base qicstream softwar work fine norton and central point backup program for window fail switch machin turbo speed eisa sinc do softwar work can hardwar problem can similar problem solut advanc yeah sound typic window make sort extra demand hardwar and your machin can thing notic acess floppi window slow crawl imagin your backup and evertyh that run fight for cpu time and sometim backup program lose glad can even run medium speed backup machin supposedli scsi machin place extra demand data bu don
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor articl qslf access digex net rash access digex wayn rash write review nanao releas differ and bui gatewai system and upgrad mike yang silicon graphic inc mikei sgi
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	conner spec sune stacken kth hhaldr stacken kth heikki haldr write can send conner harddisk specif cyl and intrest time valu precomp etc heikki haldr internet hhaldr sune stacken kth conner peripher number touch tone voic respons data bank give info you call directori assisatnc and for phone number conner peripher you you dannyb panix usual disclaim appli
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	kinda batteri proud owner ibm batteri hook into jumper info can replac voltag suggest for replac can respond grisch uceng edu georg
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai telepath modem get bi had gatewai telepath modem for month had that wouldn connect matter softwar us thi connect favorit new system problem somewhat happier cannot connect favorit do bb kind reliabl success call not good hope that fact that thi can connect fave place mean adjust fast stream garbag modem respons line dial window sometim will drop full screen mode screen garbag case modem time connect and drop carrier default set and get thi problem autoconfigur set that gatewai suppli copi qmodem atw and get thi problem refus thi claim bb that not work modem connect thi place fine factori set microcom idea waco updat ohio prison updat bosnia updat russian updat abort updat and congression updat snn standoff new network new standoff dai daniel hartung dhartung chinet chinet rotaract
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor articl geh utdalla edu goyal utdalla edu mohit goyal write yeah read anoth newsgroup that high qualiti trinitron tube monitor soni for exampl and thi extra cost come high bandwidth come and fantast imag and larg imag size etc etc agre that imag sharp get soni tube monitor tube annoi black line top and bottom quarter tube creat due wire hold invar shadow mask quit annoi that thing that make lean favor nec nec fge differ accucolor experi opinion peopl us nec appreci sinc want exam week toni toni gerardi mcgill univers comput scienc prefer account sun rel gerardi mcgill you older and shorter breath and dai tgerardi nyx edu closer death floyd gerardi musoc bitnet
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	quantum cach work quantum lp suppos cach id control built into card do dir command system disk access can hear mechan movement head thi happen strang even smartdriv instal dir command access disk activ cach thi happen each two machin lp drive will est internet west netcom
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	rockwel chipset for good articl camelot camelot bradlei edu joe zbiciak write word chipset thi rom bug specif specif brand rockwel rockwel chipset assort firmwar problem that pretti expect fax modem talk fax modem revis pretti oblivi current firmwar problem you can you stai clear board rockwel mpu oppos dpu for intern implement thi mpu us speed buffer interfac interfac number interrupt and drop multitask condit window speed buffer work for extern modem us intern serial port board hope thi help tom tom barrett tdbear engin tom barrett amd amd pcd ben white austin don hold don leav chanc tasmin archer view and not compani origin
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor mitsubishi review nanao releas last year for issu window review you spec for thi monitor chang you
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	cach micron eisa vlb motherboard articl apr new indiana edu mohammad ansari alansari mango uc indiana edu clip process purchas eisa bu comput clip ar and us cach motherboard that brand motherboard opti chip set micron edg technolog and us micron eisa vlb motherboard clip input thi micron machin clear choic posit neg compani heard cach motherboard micron micron motherboard etc advanc for inform mohammad ansari back your vendor board manufactur and info made norton index yeah bm suck what mother number slot and type esia and bit id scsi board easi upgrad ram locat and pin overdr oscil kit uart bio make you feel system agre that ar dai tech and year warranti encourag terri clark tclark umaxc uiowa edu you want opinion you don pai for opinion
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	eisa read develop eisa time ago dismiss light intens interest vesa and pci recent dishearten hear that isa cannot address ram limit that will hit recal that eisa will support bit transfer enhanc such standard develop bing bing zinc cchem berkelei edu univers california berkelei
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl richk apr gozer grebyn richk grebyn richard krehbiel write can explain fairli simpl term scsi control id will perform suffer that for drive don tape drive rom appreci you multi task you want increas perform increas amount overlap you dma bu master make for devic move data into and memori interrupt cpu altern for cpu move data scsi interfac card that dma and bu master you bu master isa bu id defin standard interfac creat for ibm requir cpu move data byte dma talk isa bu you can dma channel activ time transfer data singl devic even you can devic scsi bu explain devic can dma transfer singl scsi card isa bu time track copi ibm refer book technic manual page fdd adapt buffer bu and system board direct memori access dma for record data transfer expect similar for hdd adapt lowli low densiti origin fdd card us dma and hdd control doesn that make real sens
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	find comm port irq and hamilton romulu eh uiuc edu wayn hamilton write friend mine recent such serial card verifi detail recal paid made stb port and support irq addit convent last had troubl find comm softwar that overrid standard irq assign lot such softwar find case that major softwar that bad thi regard commerci softwar commerci packag poorli written program do crap such print command tsr that lock your system for long period time printer full clock tick back comm softwar find success telix work telix phil howard pdh netcom wgn spell protect wing conserv capitalist separ you your monei left wing liber gooder separ you
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	scan rate font size thi past winter found spend ridicul amout time front comput sinc ey berserk decid shell monei upgrad monitor run ey grate find smaller font ey strain had thi kind experi thought that small font culprit that flicker real problem comment alec lee ale edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	eisa articl agat berkelei edu bing zinc cchem berkelei edu bing write read develop eisa time ago dismiss light intens interest vesa and pci recent dishearten hear that isa cannot address ram limit that will hit recal that eisa will support bit transfer enhanc such standard develop possibl backward compat isa bu tripe that current eisa implement pci bu will bit mhz intellig bu bu control take care interrupt and not jumper hopefulli amiga zorro iii bu bu bit hack for like toodlepip marc
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	upgrad need forgiv thi faq sourc thi kind info station dimens and think upgrad station power suppli two floppi disk drive and big case soni monitor syquest drive mac and rom reader mac for question motherboard thi dimens that us case origin owen control for floppi drive and hard disk remov can us control devic pai for control won work can make syquest scsi and rom scsi work thi station heard that cheap sound board that scsi control built qualiti thi board scsi control cost ftp site that syquest driver rom driver for can hook want motherboard sound board make mpc qualiti station cost that worth hussl bui station btw bui keyboard for input you peter liu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	date stuck articl apr kosman kevin kosman kevin gorman write date stuck run do menu system aliv time machin left run time suddenli date longer roll time accur allwai chang date hand morn thi involv exit menu system do slightest idea thi even clue whether hardwar batteri cmo do broken bet suddenli start stick you start leav run menu night limit bug date roll softwar that mean you wait for keyboard input do call bio call menu us code updat date midnight never get call correct detail case mi rememb you chang menu program you sourc add tsr system patch cmo clock time fact second dai do clock mark aitchison univers canterburi
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	netwar server and sft netwar level serialis fact netwar server roughli move locat and left power for month memori hard drive manual and origin disk for sft netwar level power cmo wipe technician examin and pronounc disk drive unus investig that drive type cylind side cmo set thi compsurf run happili bad block us prepar hotfix intern drive instal will proce successfulli boot server report that softwar not serialis for thi hardwar intern examin that keycard present and disk drive larg singl unit attempt configur second drive cmo result drive not readi error question softwar netwar level and can burnt screen sft netwar level configur netwar for level mirror duplex disk requir second disk novel server configur can instal sft netwar level level thi caus serialis error novel server equip two hard drive fail thi mean can not instal network softwar will not serialis for thi hardwar fail drive can serialis error happen keycard fail wrong can knowledg offer comment and guid for your time apolog that post thi request somewhat wide deal somewhat archaic hardwar and softwar hope that cast net like captur met thi system can justifi group post feel free correct you feel thi inappropri place post thi thi post definit bljeghb chugh vaj blhegh wayn mcdougal keeper list show star trek auckland festiv mission april chang mind evid method you us
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	problem printer and emm ex recent decid emm ex for memori manag and print printer lpt word wouldn work send linefe for top margin and printer readi light and stop work disabl emm ex and problem continu emm ex greatli comment suggest send arthur washingt arthur washington edu
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	soundblast irq and port set don conflict technic lpt not us irq parallel printer processor actual number escap contain printer control regist enabl chip transmit interrupt interrupt control irq main processor int default parallel printer processor not enabl interrupt line int will sourc printer control chip enabl devic us actual irq note thi appli port default not rout interrupt system bu softwar enabl thi featur make monitor port activ easier poll serial uart get sound card slighti confus window stori
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	modem and noisi line problem cheapo bp modem us connect univers garbag screen nois line can hear question will error correct protocol elimin thi garbag modem doesn hardwar can softwar implement protocol trick juan carlo leon jleon scf usc edu jcleon uc usc edu electr comput major univers comput servic univers southern california lo angel
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	date stuck can imagin leav comput time start leav your light radio and hous time nut gosh instal viru call do don copi that floppi burn love window crash
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	tonight determin thi mhz chip accru you call intel number and gosh instal viru call do don copi that floppi burn love window crash
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor reali hear that nanao monitor that drive diamond speedstar set run khz output mode and reali drive hell monitor wounder nanao fall apart poor low capabl soni drive ball sam gosh instal viru call do don copi that floppi burn love window crash
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	perfect mag monitor articl last tamut tamu edu rithea hong newsgroup comp sy ibm hardwar subject perfect mag monitor date sat apr friend mine mag model and had distrot back replac distort bet common problem advic heard bui monnitor specif you will bui oppos model sinc monitor manufactur even big name produc alot monitor visibl defect rithea hong tamut tamu edu end file press return quit name two top list crap monitor maker soni magnavox sam gosh instal viru call do don copi that floppi burn love window crash
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	multiport board info need port board for pc want standard port mention expens coprocess share irq us irq for info
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	isa bu pin question diamond speedstar speedstar for system boot problem your system fail boot proprtli pull jumper block thi will not affect proform speedstar thi manual never knew that card real kicker book beat hell junk soni point that can even us mode sam time upgrag turn big overkil drive soni that monitor can handl instal simm and find that your mother board doesn cmo wait state adjust advantag simm that you bought gosh instal viru call do don copi that floppi burn love window crash
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	philip monitor opinion philip monitor compar nanao for good net er and found good price for philip spec soni trinitron tube digit micro control displai area refresh anti glare mpr auto scan khz don thi monitor for sale compani apr comput shopper price for thi and bout that mag love mag for that color align thing edg brian schaufenbuel brian schaufenbuel art govern sooner learn helser halst that drain monei pocket am peopl colleg student adam smith
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	wangtek tape control card revis address irq want wangtek tape control card revis that us syto backup system backup friend system that system crash and attempt restor document for thi ancient card lost mist time and dma irq and address for thi card can suggest determin thing bank dip switch card set upupup upupup upup upup open for your time thi post definit bljeghb chugh vaj blhegh wayn mcdougal keeper list show star trek auckland festiv mission april chang mind evid method you us
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	sound blaster machin sound blaster machin give your equival pro stereo digit sound creativ lab price pro price equal suppos you set address and dma channel thi dma channel share hype share and hardisk dma channel esoter
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	date stuck bsardi netcom barri sardi write kevin kosman kevin gorman write date stuck run do menu system aliv time machin left run time suddenli date longer roll time accur allwai chang date hand morn thi involv exit menu system do start notic thing run do and win can fix window control panel time date clock run minut onc hear that order for date advanc clock make date system call appar clock hardwar interrupt and bio don thi date advanc automat date call notic that midnight reset flag set and advanc date info john bongiovanni system analyst orbit engin compani perth australia oecjtb oec orbit dialix bongo alumni caltech edu opinion express and not organis
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	tseng card vlb card hai dai bui motherboard local bu se come cirru logic vlb card ram onboard can true color don type card read that cirru logic card aren exactli fast system had tseng pretti pleas bui tseng card thing speed perform do window unix graphic text compar card for exampl resolut includ color support text graphic ram can instal and type ram compat tseng support softwar experi thi card good bad you altern for peopl holland kan iemand misschien vertellen waar nederland verkrijg het liefst omgev van amsterdam advanc erik stel estel
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	internet thi isn exact place put thi desper home for summer and wont direct access vax account problem servic that doesn charg bodi part vital organ born son that access internet telnet school account and can will greatli appreci mail dfmorgan ac hard edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	date stuck articl qte usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu sam latonia write can imagin leav comput time start leav your light radio and hous time nut comput special case and pretti good idea leav cuz everytim you turn comput you put surg electr delic compon imagin you turn your comput time dai you increas chanc damag chip memori etc compon your comput you save cent and electr bill won come time fix your comput worth ngo
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	digit tablet question rithea hong tamut tamu edu wrote market for small digit tablet and comment main name calcomp summagraph and kurta major differ prefer for and avoid for input you can provid rithea hong tamut tamu edu vill walveranta tel fax linda av apt finland oakland fax automat recogn usa email wil shell portal
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	comput get lock weird thing happen comput get lock stop instanc reason whatsov edit and get lock prompt occur happen almost onc time connect comput slight idea wrong us ctrl alt del that respons turn and back will appreci mail sometim can access thi servic enriqu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	scsi do netter question scsi do scsi control and two hard disk conect and connect scsi streamer don softwar access such beast exist sharewar want disk that do can two two physic and logic disk will us extra disk advanc hojm euromax dansk data elektronik vejl branch denmark telephon int fax int mail ibh dde
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi vlb busmast slow your system articl apr mnemosyn edu smace nyx edu scott mace write you happen you hook busmast control vesa local bu slow your system you don beliv busmast and vlbu pick back issu week whihc test vlbu eisa and isa busmast card vlb busmast bad stop processor fetch extern cach main memori vlb card bu signific slow effect
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	rom drive recommend purchas rom drive spec applic kodak multisess photo scsi interfac compat adaptec not caddi cheaper doubl speed drive satisfi condit your opinion condit sort prioriti nec cdr bit expens satisfi almost condit problem that not compat succeed connect nec drive heard rumor that nec drive incompat adapt suggest greatli appreci advanc kobayashi masaoki masaoki tky
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	atari mono and vga succed convert atari monomchrom monitor into mono vga monitor exactli you and graphic card you us max brant max tdb institutionen teknisk databehandl uppsala universitet
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	western digit info need articl jester gun michael jester gun michael gerhard write holli macc mcmaster wrote western digit set pin back anoth hard drive and set for jumper written circuit board drive jumper us drive conner xxx jumper set drive alon drive master drive slave western digit will hve mark put jumper print circuitri underkneth hope help had problem bye daze oharad wanda waiariki michael michael jester gun michael gerhard preussenstrass germani neuss voic
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	weitek futur plan articl apr jetsun weitek robert weitek robert plamondon write articl pinn uniko uni koblenz hodgen ozzi uni koblenz wayn hodgen write sum acceler board vram true colour and fast vga side will bui funni can bui such product won mouth water todai hologram outta can wait co acceler card colour you mock such card will quickli odd thing comput industri that sinc you can wait and peopl wait forev peopl defer updat origin ibm for decad time come road peopl dump pc into garag haven replac afraid isn time bui gave comput wait differ current system and stuff big warrant chang for instanc upgrad eisa vlb board rsn perform differ linux great worthwhil time bui graphic card and scsi control bui card co fast driver for and vram weitek card will cheaper afford card arriv bui person system home disk subsystem larger monitor super fast graphic board you cpu board won case and mous come don that mous will bui dream product hit market gonna bui monei last year monitor memori ain disk and space left stai singl don smoke and you afford thi year wayn hodgen hodgen infko uni koblenz opinion intel uni koblenz unido infko hodgen keeper scroll rheinau voic defend net koblenz fax name root
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	card card motherboard carl christensen christen astro oci templ edu wrote thi dumbest question year piggyback expand slot motherboard bit usual case slot for and scanner card max hope that simpl solut exist adapt that turn not thi will work expand us low profil case slot stagger side card you can instal last slot and sidewai slot thi low profil case standard motherboard connector slot and expans card plug into guess you thi each end slot add even connector simpli track slot electron downsid your case won close for homebrew system that not problem don perform leav that discuss engin gerri georg good life school manag boston univ illeg immor fatten internet ggeorg ac edu item not compu erv compuserv categori cancer rat
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	partit tabl disappear comput won recognis disk reboot window crash grrr option restor lose data drive previous had partit not rememb exact set copi boot data disk tool rescu disk not want lose data id drive option gerri georg good life school manag boston univ illeg immor fatten internet ggeorg ac edu item not compu erv compuserv categori cancer rat
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	small for that small and doesn break apart you drop groud doesn graphic text will fine doesn fast will hope you stand pretti hard enviro break apart jumnp us outdoor rain and memori and convini load applic into that wrote floppi somekind writeabl cartridg that and can info atari portfolio can stand rain marco seirio real life mars caligula
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	faq question uart articl qjp binn fmsrl srl ford glang slee srl ford gordon lang write nation semiconductor don manufactur make equival chip not nation isn even origin that and argument direct nation previou post thi topic info you don origin sourc for seri and strongli suspect that develop can you that won bui uart made nation semiconductor jim includ std disclaim ial internet jim ial mythic graham ieee org icbm amateur radio ial zbb walton beach amtor selcal nial mail for inform kamterm host mode for kantron tnc
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	info font cartridg for laserjet for good add font cartridg for laserjet found magazin articl enginn and pacif data product maker cartridg for laserjet seri couldn find model name product suggest advanc hakamata atsushi soni corpor osaki technolog center
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	and differ clock frequenc differ type and processor list perhap can extend correct true bit processor cach emul bit bu true bit processor intern mathemat coprocessor correct intern cach correct big extend instruct set sorta sorta not lot peopl can add lot inform post email you prefer lar dal differ quantum email joedal dfi aau mechan and auto mechan physic student quantum mechan can car into univers aarhu garag open door denmark david kra
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	boot drive vga copi can you you creat floppi for your drive that turn modifi switch vga copi you boot thi diskett messag appear thi system disk you can replac disk anoth boot harddisk switch drive and reboot that becom becom type your choic you select item you can boot call work good for exampl boot drdo instal disk format problem for friend mine drive hope that help robert vga copi sharewar easi newest version robert fuhg haagstrass erlangen tel privat email rtfuhg cip informatik uni erlangen demnaechst erlangen war not for left robert fuhg haagstrass erlangen tel privat email rtfuhg cip informatik uni erlangen demnaechst erlangen war not for left
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	recommend for local bu cach id control articl apr julian uwo wlsmith valv heart rri uwo wayn smith write articl apr sol ctr columbia edu penev venezia rockefel edu write maxtor isa id control machin vlb save transfer rate variat isa bu speed test speed mhz and mhz not differ problem not interfac control and memori advic bui meg ram save and enjoi perform comput mhz bu isa mhz drive maxtor peopl vlb id want vlb bu speed us id drive want id drive can handl bu speed mhz recent bought micron vlb comput and local bu id card get transfer rate norton cale micron thi pathet slow and that norton doesn recogn local bu and won give accur result told norton order true account id transfer speed didn thi answer part drive doesn crank that don differ plai set cmo bu speed and notic signific chang perform fed frank shea learn skill frank shea that teach fa ultb isc rit edu hath fool for master rochest institut technolog ben franklin
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	date stuck jamesc netcom jame chuang write you leav your radio night not comput can even you not front do and windoz not schedul task not mean that comput hould shut night bet start morn mean good coffe break jamesc ask you god you addit startup time leav thing run doubl fax machin thi origin subject didn repli bio cmo and do clock date logic that run thi for month and recent last month that notic intermitt clock problem state not date that doesn roll forward sometim notic that clock minut unattend gener run minim win clock winfax pro print manag word file manag program manag random screen saver gener run barri sardi home lauri avenu offic san jose fax email bsardi netcom compuserv
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai boot floppi gatewai inch floppi drive accident discov that floppi box diskettet drive boot get system diskett messag machin hang and cmo get overwritten luckili gatewai send print standard cmo set system thi happen box pre format fuji disk that disk thi problem format fuji disk problem viru scan scan disk and found noth idea hardwar problem viru that can detect system read garbag boot sector tim king tcking uswnvg
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bu hdd fdd control id hdd fdd control bui quantum lp hardisk and decid hdd fdd control bit bu hdd fdd control faster bit id hdd fdd control card hear that bu control slower id control true shed light email post lot regard beng hang tai telnet singapor network oper phone hewlett packard singapor pte fax depot road internet taybh hpsgm sgp singapor republ singapor
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	debug hardwar problem articl rslinnnv senat bedfellow mit edu jfc athena mit edu john carr write run linux eisa system and hardwar problem softwar don troubl advic debug thi symptom build gcc unpredict and unrepeat result sometim file not valid format recompil file valid binari sometim compil abort dump core work fine run input compil sourc file argument slight differ object file note that linux unlik system not put timestamp object file compil twice give bit ident result occasion filesystem corrupt scsi drive that caus develop softwar relat problem compil compil problem not caus disk problem result whether work id scsi disk set memori speed and cach write speed recommend valu recommend for do that junk suspect extern cach real evid for thi motherboard nice super eisa write back cach and mhz processor for system test program run do linux linux gcc fire gcc compil libc and kernel time run suggest problem bad memori bad motherboard bad cach suggest debug problem chang wait state ram turn turbo chang bu speed swap ram
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	diff mous sy sanson wmich edu wrote differ load mous autoexec bat and devic mous sy config sy differ time driver get load mous sy will load config sy and therefor command mous will load autoexec bat and command mous start commandlin boot and perhap unload driver load work driver total ran do prefer load driver autoexec bat program won run driver and choos need startup drdo thi advantag drdo let you choos config sy driver load michael michael jester gun michael gerhard preussenstrass germani neuss voic
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ten beep ami bio wayn nichol gwni troi rochest edu wrote motherboard ami bio multipl reboot beep and sit refer manual motherboard ami bio beep cmo shutdown regist read write error system stop beep system continu keyboard error michael michael jester gun michael gerhard preussenstrass germani neuss voic
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	reboot problem usma usma edu tue apr receiv usma usma edu trotter usma edu smi eef tue apr edt receiv usma usma edu eef tue apr edt messag usma usma edu date tue apr edt usma usma edu peckham david cdt decster uta edu subject problem statu run unisi do problem even had do that emm load can ctl alt del comput beep time rapidli and hang us obscur reset requir screwdriv pencil power switch reboot solut thi problem mail usma usma edu dave dave david peckham internet usma usma edu militari academi jason brown decster uta edu fav player ruben sierra
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	sound blaster midi process write number program for sound blaster cmf voic editor hopefulli can ftp site stage us midi port enter music and plai synth remot problem that info midi port sound blaster freedom project routin thi result port lock coupl access and loss note veloc data byte turbo and grate for info sourc fragment berlin thi summer book thi inform german poor thi book mail second request for concern standard file format can file format standard you secret file format for instrument bank file bnk and roland music file rol final sourc for displai pcx gif file ega vga monitor you make sens colin
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	send null charact across ethernet question send null charact across ethernet connect actual problem that emac unix editior null charact for set mark and don that ibm pc across ethernet wonder anyboi keyboard combin for send null charact btw control shift ctrl not work saeid
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	can set articl rajn cbnewsh att bnc cbnewsh att john siegel write unabl work diagnost program such msd show noth instal softwar option hardwar conflict and workaround for thi problemand rom system tower ati video card port set follow board coma irq extern devic intern modem irq dfio port card primari port irq mous board irq not work run thi boot disk command elimin softwar suggest call technic support john siegel bnc cbnewsh att ja hrolli att had thi problem time ago bios not automat instal port tabl program modem program write directli port work fine that bio call fail find bb ftp site you can copi port finder put devic sy your config sy run your autoexec bat thi program will locat exist port and make bio tabl updat work great will you swap port and such that you allen mulvei mulvei blurt oswego edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	advic select sound card advic netland select sound card bui sound card for kid don bui select list sound blaster miscrosoft sound card audio spectrum sound blaster pro sound blaster alloc budget you sound card select for kid opti nec cdrom that connect sound card you kent khioe juno jpl nasa gov
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	funet artieb vnet ibm write post earlier that refer funet directori pub msdo log funet even find pub directori alon msdo directori can wrong perhap you nic funet funet nic funet biggest ftp site europ stuff site big pool perri egelm
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ati build driver good articl fomu austin ibm larryhow austin ibm write stabl build driver peopl success instal and run build driver for week problem run window and softwar run work fine thi includ game and base multi media encyclopedia full motion video work fine recommend you give john john gayman wbu uunet wbu john packet wbu eah
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gamecard mhz ram machin and find slow for game such wing comput store dai and seri gamecard claim speed your machin mhz wonder similar machin had bought gamecard and whether not work appreci advanc greg man li murder part world eggman
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bit box gatewai thi gatewai aol mailer america onlin mailer pastor vfl paramax subject bit disk access date mon mar est messag aol statu jon bit access window you edit system ini enhanc section and add thi line bitdiskaccess thi will give you bitdiskaccess that you regard scot oehlerk kscooter gatewai
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	pc gatewai opinion sought thi beaten death thi forum bui gatewai will bui monitor heard neg stuff gatewai monitor heard tough technic support seek opinion whether not wise ahead base criteria such price warranti servic gener rugged system reliabl machin and gatewai and advis advanc vasudev murthi vasudev murthi opinion express strictli murthi asl nec and noth advanc switch lab nec america inc walnut hill lane irv
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	summari doubledisk gold netter promis summari opinion doubledisk gold peopl quit happi product opinion good compar industri leader stacker superstor pro not consid sinc slower stacker reliabl byte magazin conclus hard make decis stacker doubledisk gold that quit bui buddi christyono buddi optic ec wisc edu summari repli buddi not gold experi order last version pleas perform suggest you not compress softwar do compress discuss net that for you compress built into util that you pai for you do that mean you doubledisk cost for upgrad think and ask net decid that not wrong updat cost never suffer perform larg packag compress and uncompress format work great not delai arguement lot bunk compar perform forward loadhigh that annoy you stacker not worth effort upgrad regard mark bagdi buddi mailer week ago ddg and instal document opinion easi follow us automat instal not custom and smoothli specif instruct readm file for deal max qemm ddg uninstal unlik do you system hard drive instal ddg had free ddg had free pretti good statist that perman window swap file stai uncompress portion driver and such had problem whatsoev notic slowdown take longer boot window do happi camper bruce bruce steink never you bsteink dsd good piec rope softwar technic support engin sam gamge evan sutherland comput corp mail opinion doubledisk gold for month mhz seagat drive run do window enhanc mode ran test and conclud that speed doubledisk drive drive read cach equal bare drive cach complaint reliabl easi instal problem had castl wolfenstein assum game bypass do disk access and move game compress region disk sinc game never problem never damag doubledisk drive compress perform for disk held steadi thi lower expect size file compress imag file and larg zip file you specif question dan bought happi us mfm and id drive doubledisk gold that product msdo ship problem product ron bjornseth bjornset pogo den mmc end messag
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	vlb bu master problem put togeth vesa local bu vlb card for video and scsi heard problem bu master control vlb effect that will slow system heard thi problem specif interest ultrastor vlb scsi control shell buck for thi thing straight scoop thi control problem bob kimbal rkimbal qualcomm
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bit box gatewai articl apr hpcvca scott hpcvccl scott linn write plai gatewai local bu machin last night appar that window didn give option for bit access for virtual memori perman swap file and disk drive local bu interfac thi expect investig bit option appear you massag switch your system ini virtual memori section flip bitaccess switch and associ driver wdctl such switch thi will enabl bit access you can us not hard drive and control support for fast disk access throw windoz instal thi weekend incred final real for humbl tim
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ati ultra nanao mancu sweetpea jsc nasa gov keith mancu write refer run ati instal program and function posit size imag resolut thought thi neat featur notic that imag size scan frequenc necessarili chang thi digit multiscan monitor mag confus mode us frequenc get standard select for thi reason us factori default for posit size ati card and adjust each mode individu time monitor mag and multiscan monitor abil recal set time each mode detect edward mcclanahan edm wr
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	do two peopl horrer stori do that peopl do had reformat disk and start us standard instal program put do machin stacker instal problem stacker switch pleas memori gain sinc not memori manag multipl boot featur
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	null modem cabl interrest extrodinarili simpl concept null modem cabl idea don count that last statement ask pin us specif want solder bui don even port us kimmel vax cn muskingum edu kevin intend us cabl for transfer lap link telix idea and info gladli accept
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	kentucki fri cmo beat harde hei folk short your cmo chip mine fri symptom comput gatewai boot turn power disconnect batteri cmo chip turn power into setup get cmo configur error set cmo exit setup phoenix bio ignor diskett seek error and press comput boot hard drive access floppi drive not can back network and such reboot turn comput and repeat step simpli ctl alt del comput hang memori test thi sound cmo chip fri can bui anoth you for your kind attent john john lusth becton dickinson research center rtp usa jcl bdrc
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	want your opinion insight talon multimedia kit for you familiar insight distribut network inc and multimedia kit bui insight talon kit bundl rom drive access time dtr multispin multi session photo capabl etc and pa sound card etc you familiar insight you kit mean drive texel nec not clear part bundl two sale peopl couldn give straight answer drawback oem question excus ignor texel reput maker rom market you nec drive bottom line thi kit worth monei for and for altern think that overkil for want full multimedia capabl photo stuff educ program for kid etc and consid lower end kit and differ tape back drive unit basic hear us kit and pro con you advis prefer directli email address below koji koji kodama nippon motorola ryvg email sp mot note opinion express mine and not reflect opinion polici motorola inc affili
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hot cpu hot cpu machin get hot that can not hold finger for big fan blow heat sink advic chri kushmerick kushmer bnlux bnl gov found nich life didn fit
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	monitor articl shlj er trc amoco zrdf trc amoco rusti foreman write viewson claim compar term price and qualiti displai interest viewson monitor flesh toni
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	mount cpu cooler vertic case instal cpu clone motherboard and mount cpu cooler chip hour weight cooler dislodg cpu mount end bend pin cpu luckili power not end press cpu deepli into socket and put cpu cooler back good had thi problem you ensur that weight cpu fan and heatsink not eventu work cpu socket mount motherboard vertic case will est internet west netcom
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hint vlb isa eisa motherboard articl ovwv lmo new iastat edu schauf iastat edu brian schaufenbuel write bui companion brand vlb isa eisa motherboard hint chipset had experi thi board good bad inform help brian schaufenbuel that eisa isa motherboard that hint chipset limit bit eisa dma real eisa dma bit hint eisa dma ram address limit isa for thi reason pass hawk eisa isa and ing replac for exactli thi reason doubl check thi word call motherboard manufactur and motherboard support true bit eisa dma thi limit motherboard work quit mine do window and unix adaptec eisa scsi host adapt gari korenek korenek nmti network manag technolog incorpor sugar land texa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	soundblast irq and port set lpt disk control call devic devic that requir exclus interrupt ownership disk control and keyboard devic that not requir exclus ownership will share interrupt anoth devic lpt standard isa bu that almost laptop pc us two separ interfac card cannot share interrupt thi due screwup bu design for exampl your soundblast drive interrupt number hold bu wire time depend whether not interrupt thi preclud let anoth card assert interrupt number two devic isa bu share interrupt implement singl card andrew klossner andrew frip tek
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	zeo comput had zeo for coupl month experi not painless perfect that endur peopl person order gatewai gatewai buyer reward get free stuff gatewai can track hasn viper card defect zeo replac minor hassl thi work fine haven notic problem applic order complaint ati month ago guess you can choos buggi state art stuff robust averag stuff for configur tower watt suppli pkg monitor viper etc zeo slightli cheaper gatewai austin etc thi can chang month month mike
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ibm link imagewrit hook appl imagewrit ibm clone problem configur lpt port accept thi can you adjust baud pariti etc fit system mode not work can post mail abort retri format doctor give chainsaw trust scientist larri henson
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hot cpu christoph kushmerick kushmer bnlux bnl gov wrote hot cpu machin get hot that can not hold finger for recal that run close boil point water exact temperatur put cpu fan heat sink won hurt and depend paranoid you damien neil dpn cwru edu debug realiti case western reserv univers can quick patch and cmp eeap linux choic gnu gener erik green
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	orchid fahrenheit mini review articl apr adob sherwood adob geoffrei sherwood write modern trend orchid card support color mode driver thi break do program svga mode rom thi not case rom support vesa mode color vesa compliant applic troubl set mode forward your post softwar group case can care not that doubt that your applic fail run lot stuff depend figur exact svga and don us vesa call vesa pretti chip set confus support resolut annoi you can you driver you nec six monitor list gener and you choos gener you can high refresh you limit that hardwar support bandwidth can higher vertic resolut main reason bought card orchid vlb and will and and function ramdac speed not power fix problem you note list you interest text file re dat hold data choic monitor instal program built work analog you can build monitor definit that combin refresh rate for your monitor backup copi file onc you built version re dat file run instal program inst and your choic show thi assum you weitek driver you can rev number modif time driver version microsoft thi gimmick board faster that ofvlb for thing hercul speedi program thi program test oper and report result pixel second don number for graphit card close half ofvlb slower that run mhz isa number aren compar number obtain mhz air motherboard umc chipset memori give rang program report number comput and tend jump bit speedi benchmark put hercul and iit knowledg unencumb motiv make hercul graphit iit agx card good number ton salt texa instrument thing wintach make good compar care safer not safe us benchmark unbias sourc such test lab columnist etc interestingli solid vector and shade polygon show improv and hatch polygon fill cross hatch and ternari rop graphic oper xor dead loss you larg discrep result speedi and result univers thing give two number for font cach font drawn screen fairli slowli speed ofvlb speed increas dramat sound program benchmark font cach perfectli legitim optim window hook for built into gdi kind silli iit us hardwir quick brown fox jump lazi dog sat tack string driver not useless real applic lack program eleg bart simpson optim you save bitmap recent drawn string screen memori and screen screen bitblit you happen that string second time row call bart simpson optim bart person can benefit will not cheat benchmark hundr time and half time form each charact make claim that number mean ran comput don write disclaim thi time test total unconnect work program unix decstat complet knowledg bless equip compani don lawyer work for intel us lawyer montana didn di robert robert plamondon robert weitek pai attent man curtain great and gloriou spoken scene trade show
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ati ultra pro and bit window driver work bought gatewai system meg ati ultra pro video card work fine for window driver for bit and and bit mode font and icon start deterior window startup and minut us screen total unintellig natur call gatewai tech support inquir thi technician ask driver and told version build told that and bit driver for ati ultra pro simpli not work thi true simpli amaz thi strang thing expect discuss subject made faq suspici point that that state that window acceler board work and bit driver for window easili challeng that run diamond bit mode home for month and test and us bit mode back and diamond work driver longer want had troubl and feedback will appreci system configur gatewai local bu meg ram scsi rom ultrastor local bu scsi control ati ultra pro local bu vram do window mach driver version build advanc ali vali reza magellan utexa edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	problem toshiba cdrom articl apr new columbia edu imj cunixa columbia edu imad jureidini write recent purchas toshiba cdrom adaptec scsi card and fail cdrom work do work that drive not faulti config sy aspi do sy aspidisk sy aspicd sy autoexec bat mscdex do mscdex find and instal drive drive switch that drive and dir error messag tell drive not readi that cdrom lock and adaptec util don recogn that cdrom that point had thi problem abviou that miss and final wonder thi setup kindli post config sy and autoexec bat aspi driver aspicd support norst paramt mean not reset scsi bu load thi fix problem friend mine adaptec tosh regard terj
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	volant warp board troubleshoot exist gener protect fault eisa vlb system thi point narrow problem video driver for volant warp adapt nation design inc find thi hard experi thi board robert moskal brooklyn usa
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	vesa control card mhz local bu increas speed drive vesa id control card advic jimmi buddenberg internet jbuddenberg vax cn muskingum edu muskingum colleg
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	dma system small problem sound blaster pro and game util that dma system mark brown
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	info diamond viper video card experi diamond viper vlb video card problem million color resolut vram thi color depth not support video bio version and driver version max color support and resolut vram color choic notic two minor irrit ndw entri list highlight such open menu and deselect faint vertic line remain left edg highlight rectangl us word for window you us shade tabl displai show invers shade for exampl you shade cell displai printout big killer bug borland integr develop environ problem occur you click turbo debugg icon us debugg option run command and debugg applic vga charact mode design screen haywir and larg unread turbo debugg displai garbl trial and error found that disrupt screen displai you alt spacebar letter thi instruct turbo debugg refresh screen and thi satisfactorili didn thi bug diamond driver disrupt behavior happen standard vga driver that come window video card that mishandl vga mode problem not monitor bug show us anoth monitor place usual thi video card and hope problem will remedi offer year warranti swh apr
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	put thi dumb question put hard drive father mfm rll id hook comput geometri drive you set bio doubt that thought softwar control card id card for that didn come low level format onc comput assum drive format advthanks rob rxg ultb isc rit edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hai heard perform stat fabl wonder perform compar and pentium info help bob robert novitskei rrn cwru edu cwru cleve ohio comput engin and programm seek summer job
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	can bui bio market upgrad bio phoenix hard disk discov bio doesn type and can purchas thing check motherboard manufactur for curiou mylex and hear figur prompt shop problem don shop for thi heard that bio special shop south bai and alleg that advertis microtim find microtim didn find shop can thi quest repli thi advanc jeff chan opinion jeff iko not iko netcom quit silli netcom iko jeff compani
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	turbo speed nic perciv nmp mfltd wrote deliveri mhz machin and nice queri landmark speed turbo mhz that not problem problem speed turbo mhz equival car term nice porsch button that turn into skateboard clue determin rel perform turbo turbo set give landmark speed mhz turbo cheer halv that turbo mhz
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	loopback connector made uwovax uwo wrote pin connect make loopback connector for serial port can build loopback connector us test serial port for steve skcgoh tartaru uwa edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hint vlb isa eisa motherboard articl xnfz nmti korenek nmti gari korenek write articl ovwv lmo new iastat edu schauf iastat edu brian schaufenbuel write bui companion brand vlb isa eisa motherboard hint chipset had experi thi board good bad inform help brian schaufenbuel that eisa isa motherboard that hint chipset limit bit eisa dma real eisa dma bit hint eisa dma ram address limit isa for thi reason pass hawk eisa isa and ing replac for exactli thi reason doubl check thi word call motherboard manufactur and motherboard support true bit eisa dma thi limit motherboard work quit mine do window and unix adaptec eisa scsi host adapt gari korenek korenek nmti network manag technolog incorpor sugar land texa you correct motherboard manufactur bui board that will thi problem fix two week brian schaufenbuel brian schaufenbuel art govern sooner learn helser halst that drain monei pocket am peopl colleg student adam smith
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	floppi read wrote articl netxcom netx pdressn netxcom netx peter dressner write gatewai floppi drive read file wrote floppi floppi that format and file machin unread floppi that written thi defect floppi drive long time ago unread thi sound head align problem fix align screw that you can adjust thing you make that file floppi that you can read drive aren your anoth floppi you two floppi drive copi your and floppi your drive you don thi fix align problem you kissd file goodby you can misalign drive back read your floppi don count gener head align trust good repair shop dii guid nick fitzgerald applic consult csc uni canterburi fitzgerald csc canterburi tel fax
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	gatewai ethernet card driver need find devic driver for coupl older gatewai ethernet card don model number hand bnc connector and header connector for novel keycard instal node copi net that pick swap meet love lantast netwar lite poor colleg student and price repli email haven had lot time for new exam and such mike gordon loi mwgordon nyx edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	otron attach luggabl info need for info pcmade otron oltron call attach thi beauti luggabl inch screen monochrom cga and floppi for serial port connector labl printer and can figur pinout for don standard port address and figur that work do can give pointer thi appreci repli email can new final come you mike gordon loi mwgordon nyx edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	hook irwin tape drive peopl respond post clear thing tape drive extern connector back male pin varieti result cannot easili find cost effect solut us drive advic will greatli appreci prefer email toni shan toni uiuc edu
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	for sale sound blaster card hurri that soundblast card for sale sinc recent purchas sbpro card come complet mint condit box manual doc disk and origin packag make offer canadian inquiri prefer respond april mail acp ryevm ryerson
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	ati ultra pro and bit window driver work articl emx reza magellan utexa edu alireza vali write bought gatewai system meg ati ultra pro video card work fine for window driver for bit and and bit mode font and icon start deterior window startup and minut us screen total unintellig natur call gatewai tech support inquir thi technician ask driver and told version build told that and bit driver for ati ultra pro simpli not work thi true simpli amaz thi strang thing expect discuss subject made faq suspici point that that state that window acceler board work and bit driver for window easili challeng that run diamond bit mode home for month and test and us bit mode back and diamond work driver longer want had troubl and feedback will appreci system configur gatewai local bu meg ram scsi rom ultrastor local bu scsi control ati ultra pro local bu vram do window mach driver version build successfulli us and bit color mode gatewai system setup complic sound you hardwar conflict problem your memori apertur heard rumor incompat that scsi card varieti system call gatewai and give hell you fix dan daniel matthew coleman internet dcoleman utxvm utexa edu dcoleman ccwf utexa edu univers texa austin decnet utxvm dcoleman electr comput engin bitnet dcoleman utxvm bitnet
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	bu hdd fdd control id hdd fdd control articl hpsgm sgp taybh hpsgm sgp beng hang tai write bui quantum lp hardisk and decid hdd fdd control bit bu hdd fdd control faster bit id hdd fdd control card bu id faster isa id id interfac fundament noth extens isa bu and you hook bu work fast slower two mean isa speed hear that bu control slower id control hand wouldn expect slower richard krehbiel richk grebyn will for amigado for come
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	identifi serial board multi port serial board unknown origin hope thi board even switch and jumber us for descript card bit card notic that contact bit extens connect chip socket and connect label extern femal connector pin bank switch bank switch and jumper that determin trace that and switch control interrupt level for each port for irq for irq and for irq switch meager abil follow identif print board multi serial port board across bottom box for serial number blank immedi below word serial not box left for number clue your greatli appreci dwayn stratsft wai make you scream dwayn bailei intel advertis strateg softwar june doctor dobb journal redford michigan
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	actix graphicsengin bought actix graphic engin meg not impress sort problem board lock up window problem screen not center flexibilti choos synch rate for monitor buggi window driver lack driver card mail ati ultra brad bach udel edu brad cain naf cain snow white udel edu univers delawar electr engin cain freezer cn udel edu blah blah blah alt blah
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	drive won boot balog eniac sea upenn edu eric balog write recent switch drive problem can read and write and correctli can boot floppi check cmo set set for floppi seek boot and boot order onc had floppi that not system file messag tell put disk system disk drive didn work system disk drive thi happen power and memori test light come light come short beep light come for instant light come noth happen light disk activ kind and screen blank can even us ctrl alt del suggest you check set drive floppi set drive foppi cabl connect two drive control card can rememb two wire swap determin drive hope thi steve minyo
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	simm and sipp need yuri atmo washington edu write simm and sipp price piec assum you talk meg simm meg sipp speed piec per week you that price fob port not wait for offer that price dream tiger wait for offer yuri yulaev av seattl home work fax internet yuri atmo washington edu beaver atmo washington edu yuri
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	disk data compress and interleav experi report whether disk data compress effect optim disk sector interleav offhand expect that time requir decompress disk data increas optimum disk sector interleav alan hind
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	chain id drive set conner and quantum drive conner set master and quantum set slave doesn work access drive boot floppi drive will not boot run msdo and conner partit primari do and format system file type setup and even chang id control card boot floppi work great boot part system doesn report error messag hang suggest run into similar problem think that updat bio drive thi suggest answer greatli appreci repli jason badri badri ualberta
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id scsi articl apr julian uwo wlsmith valv heart rri uwo wayn smith write stuff delet lowli low densiti origin fdd card us dma and hdd control doesn that make real sens make reason amount sens fix disk sector buffer control and transfer memori rep insw instruct call quit effici singl instruct fast control cpu us bu sinc wasn cach bu like critic resourc rel cpu perform and that dma bu interfer loss cpu cycl for comput rep insw sequenc floppi hand not buffer that cpu for floppi data transfer stink walli bass
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	date stuck articl apr oec orbit dialix oecjtb oec orbit dialix john bongiovanni write stuff delet onc hear that order for date advanc clock make date system call appar clock hardwar interrupt and bio don thi date advanc automat date call notic that midnight reset flag set and advanc date info two problem bio tod routin updat bio clock bit for dai increment second wrap clock past midnight will lost call bio read clock meantim and bio reset dai wrap indic date call wrap indic set bio date call midnight do kernel part do increment date dai wrap indic lost guess that kevin menu system bio call read clock order displai time and entiti dai wrap indic lost even menu system notic dai wrap isn good do that do can updat dai menu system us do call time do kernel bio call and wrap indic process properli possibl menu system can easili us do call for time do not reentrant and perhap time increment ofter occur menu system insid do call walli bass
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware	id cabl bought id hard drive for system had problem thi system had id cabl for drive had bui cabl two drive connector and switch cabl problem hard drive manual refer match pin cabl pin drive and pin id card for life cannot figur plug cabl align secondli cabl connector two end and figur end control and two into drive matter plug into master drive and into slave appreci
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	sigma design doubl jap cwru edu joseph pellettier write for inform sigma design doubl board can figur that hardwar compress board that work autodoubl not thi cost had board for year and work diskdoubl not autodoubl due licens problem stac technolog owner board compress technolog write thi memori lost refer correct wrong board had problem file icon lost hard whether board fault decompress troubl file and recompress board icon reappear mention licens problem freewar expans util expand will not decompress board compress file you board instal sinc stac product that hole autodoubl diskdoubl relat board will fix sad and make reluct bui stac product sinc stinki hei that competit stan kerr comput commun servic offic illinoi urbana phone email stankerr uiuc edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	price drop month articl apr yuma acn colost edu lanc colost edu nathaniel sammon write get don want appl come cyclon and tempest month and price drop system want negoti good deal supplier for and jump don want price drop smuther btw deal mous for deal that low end configur fpu oppos configur fpu you you get you bui you intend upgrad sunni
comp.sys.mac.hardware	lciii vga monitor adapt real tough time find proper adapt us vga monitor ibm sold exact mac iii vendor call that intern video will not work true vga monitor will work ibm compat multisync soni nec monitor thought vga capabl lciii attract allow you us inexpens vga monitor confus vendor not speed us lciii multisync vga monitor and you your adapt specif vendor and cat prefer appl monitor for lciii unseemli finder insid ibm bezel monei save monitor lciii can afford and can rid charl kuehmann northwestern univers steel research group qman casbah acn nwu edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	warn don break powerbook screen articl outpost bai org peirc outpost bai org michael peirc write surpris shouldn protect tarriff almost end hurt long run subsidi build strong economi isn wall tough world compet global market place and don come cry world doesn want plai hous rule that japanes local market neatli protect japanes govern tough nut crack fact current break into japanes compani partner ventur gari gari snow uunet clark gsnow gsnow clark edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	advic tech work etc plan upgrad mac iisi present meg meg and add math coprocessor technolog work austin texa come quit highli recommend mac magazin wonder share tech work good and bad experi give advic mail order compani that your repli appreci advanc sincer peter choo choo sigma ec umass edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	duo dock problem had problem duo dock not eject duo properli duo come dock coupl inch eject and had pull rest nowadai and had system for month duo doesn come despit fact that mechan make nois and grab hold and pull simpl fix for thi return appl dealer will languish for week make colour displai vram floppi scsi etc btw not that duo lock into dock doesn want slide phil jimmieson comput scienc dept janet phil liv csc liverpool univers internet phil csc liv box liverpool head heel love cramp
comp.sys.mac.hardware	intern hd mac articl apr siemen kurt netzer kurt siemen write instal mac qunatum can pin cabl connector for intern motherboard scsi connector and scsi connector termin second will what power suppli can connect amp connector suppli connect anoth intern hard disk macintosh you can find space put iisi that quantum meg drive ran into space problem slap anoth meg quantum that had sit shelf concern space sinc drive quantum quarter height drive final decid that logic place for stack fine fit snugli not had problem heat and drive run togeth for two month problem connect drive you spare intern hard disk power cabl half your troubl splice extra cabl that you squar motherboard connector and two hard disk power connector you don spare cabl you will bui wire and connector can found good electron store for suggest properli solder heatshrink connect reduc possibl short bad connect you ribbon cabl connect had spare hard disk ribbon cabl and want care case thi didn word purchas crimp pin cabl connector that gave anoth male connector middl spare cabl part cost and easili attach good wood vice theori crimp connector that thi doesn work origin cabl not damag and can back origin setup that couldn bother check dev note for power consumpt plug and work charm thi dai mac work care drive and ensur that termin resistor drive intact not thi termin resistor logic that split scsi chain that signal termin end you question peter hansen bell northern research pgmoffc bnr
comp.sys.mac.hardware	intern hd mac articl apr siemen kurt netzer kurt siemen write instal mac qunatum can pin cabl connector for intern motherboard scsi connector and scsi connector termin second will what power suppli can connect amp connector suppli connect anoth intern hard disk macintosh you can find space put iisi that quantum meg drive ran into space problem slap anoth meg quantum that had sit shelf concern space sinc drive quantum quarter height drive final decid that logic place for stack fine fit snugli not had problem heat and drive run togeth for two month problem connect drive you spare intern hard disk power cabl half your troubl splice extra cabl that you squar motherboard connector and two hard disk power connector you don spare cabl you will bui wire and connector can found good electron store for suggest properli solder heatshrink connect reduc possibl short bad connect you ribbon cabl connect had spare hard disk ribbon cabl and want care case thi didn word purchas crimp pin cabl connector that gave anoth male connector middl spare cabl part cost and easili attach good wood vice theori crimp connector that thi doesn work origin cabl not damag and can back origin setup that couldn bother check dev note for power consumpt plug and work charm thi dai mac work care drive and ensur that termin resistor drive intact not thi termin resistor logic that split scsi chain that signal termin end you question peter hansen bell northern research pgmoffc bnr
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quantum hard disk recent aquir quantum harddisk meg mechan scsi question and problem extra connector socket back that can figur for address set jumper bottom don for that idea second nice hardwar manual for drive lot jumper that don for drive format thing work and fine for format initiali troublesom main problem you reset macplu drive disappear shut mac and back agian drive come fine idea repli email address below richard crispin depart psycholog email rcrispin watart uwaterloo univers waterloo psych watserv uwaterloo waterloo ontario phone ext canada fax
comp.sys.mac.hardware	powerbook and caer typist graphic hand scanner edit and forward csm announc moder respond origin email cabl that work phone number and applelink address for caer and smile and pat back beg you you caer typist graphic hand scanner read and solv problem will trueli grate for rest life problem that caer typist graphic hand scanner will not connect powerbook cabl scanner will not fit into scsi port powerbook cabl assembl adapt origin cabl fit scsi port thi turn comput into scsi mode and treat hard disk ask engin london assembl cabl idiot sheer lazi week and solv problem awar that caer solut you cabl that will solv thi problem you solut will forev grate you mail address zia castl wrong side road syndrom for that zia castl thank you advanc zia
comp.sys.mac.hardware	disappoint cie articl apr umiami miami edu ehg umiami miami edu write that recondit hardwar sold recondit discount price and that replac for hardwar bad cover dai warranti sound kind lemon law hardwar industri sound unfair for that paid price drive for recondit you gui
comp.sys.mac.hardware	fan noisi solut articl summer rintintin colorado edu summer rintintin colorado edu summeral thoma write doesn broken isn make grind nois loud louder that fan iici sold thi problem solut good replac fan that lot quieter move air easi insul sound not cool air hah can even hear fan gee work yup check exhaust air back fine gari gari snow uunet clark gsnow gsnow clark edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	price drop month nathaniel sammon write get don want appl come cyclon and tempest month and price drop system want negoti good deal supplier for and jump don want price drop smuther btw deal mous for deal don you gaurente that price drop thi year thi week macweek report that appl plan drop august guess that come sooner appl decid chang price structur releas multimedia unit thi summer your price pretti good pai for mine last month wait for machin thi sommer cyclon resal iici not squat financ forc purchas happi machin and won feel betrai appl cut price week heh bottom line you want bui you wait cylcon come for price break you wait for powerpc come for anoth price break and unit follow you save monei you lost lot time you comput face appl price continu state flux aren rais grin john komp leonardo src honeywel
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar scsi perform kurt tiedtk ktiedtk jarthur claremont edu wrote direct inform scsi perform for each mac max throughput etc max thruput centri quadra sec max thruput iici iifx equival sec max thruput slower machin slower peter cohen don reflect employ opinion peterco eff org heck employ doesn even
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl tape backup system appl tape backup unit work sy not driver softwar access devic can fidn tool access thi devic info comment curti curti gener gener sti nasa gov nasa sti code jtt washington
comp.sys.mac.hardware	axion serial port switcher good bad into bui serial port switcher mac two serial port appletalk modem printer midi and sound digit specif axion electron switcher fairli cheap maczon heard that thing you can us serial port time prevent you physic swap cabl heard that program that us comm toolbox us serial port want thi true axion switchbox final axion stink you that you good interest hear product spend repli mail not regular reader thi newsgroup interest can post summari repli lot scott smith umsmith mc drexel edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	pleez bui mac hei want bui mac and want good price doesn found good deal centri send price don want mail order areound cleveland ohio bui wait for power bob repli post mail rrn cwru edu robert novitskei pursu women similar bang head rrn cwru edu wall opportun for reward
comp.sys.mac.hardware	iisi mhz success stori howdi folk back septemb octob post instruct upgrad iisi mhz doin solderin peopl bolder report that procedur put mhz oscil run cpu mhz and darn doesn work thi procedur will work mine slow and death power kellei thoma kellei boylan powerpc ibm austin kelleyb austin ibm
comp.sys.mac.hardware	adb woe articl apr afterlif ncsc mil mlbelan afterlif ncsc mil mark belange write wise netter oop that oracl basic question that cannot answer heck can bui adb cabl mine trackbal shot and haven find replac anywher wrong mail order catalog idea place price make mark mlbelan afterlif ncsc mil you pick adb cabl comput wire store give you address alberta comput cabl calgari victoria canada and don address calgari you basic phone and charg approx cnd for custom made adb extens cabl for mous hope thi help dave maclachlan dmaclach uvic nightfal softwar inc
comp.sys.mac.hardware	articl innrc srvr engin umich edu chyang leghorn engin umich edu chung hsiung yang write articl bauer bauer informatik uni ulm christian bauer write articl afi sh vohmryle andrew cmu edu donpaul stephen deathbird cmu edu wrote differ want doubl spin rom drive into nec and appl doublespin nec toshiba and soni appl deliv speed appl price low compar ram simm you bui inexpenc driver revis easier driver kit appl manufactur christian bauer bauer informatik uni ulm thought nec and toshiba rom mechan averag access time soni appl rom drive access time for doublespin model chung yang technolog drive toshiba mechan and supposedli fast and access and data transfer rate sec multisess photo compat educorp for technolog and come two mail coupon for two free cd not good sinc had drive month and had ship home address california maryland technolog drive separ power suppli separ drive supposedli longer life and cleaner fan attract dust toshiba brand drive technolog sinc you mechan and slightli lower price two free cd appl drive soni mechan access time and data transfer rate sec slowest mention not wide appl catalog bad price multi session photo compat extern model come free cd pretti good nec drive longest access time and data transfer rate sec vendor dollar includ educorp wasn multi sesssion photo compat hear that current version that ship owner older drive can upgrad not come free you bui bundl rom drive choic appl drive and technolog toshiba drive appl drive for compat appl product and technolog toshiba for speed and perform btw model drive appl applecd applecd intern technolog toshiba brand name model not nec cdr happi drive and had compat problem whatsoev wrong correct pretti even not you notic that last name presid technolog happen southern california hometown not rel gui liu common chines name southern california enorm chines commun doctor california steve liu patient and anoth steve liu come school and live dorm thi show that liu common steve steve liu for sig drlovemd jhunix hcf jhu edu suggest drlovemd jhuvm hcf jhu edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl tape backup system articl gener nova gener nova sti nasa gov curti gener write appl tape backup unit work sy not driver softwar access devic can fidn tool access thi devic info comment curti curti gener gener sti nasa gov nasa sti code jtt washington retrospect dantz work nice thi combin you can bui mail order vendor
comp.sys.mac.hardware	hand scanner problem you caer typist graphic hand scanner read and save life problem that caer typist graphic hand scanner will not connect powerbook cabl scanner will not fit scsi port comput manag gaet cabl assembl that adapt cord comput thi comput into scsi mode that act extern hard disk whenev switch comput ask engin london assembl cabl for week and find solut sheer lazi and that cabl exist solv problem you solut cabl and can hold mail address zia castl will trueli grate for your thank you advanc zia
comp.sys.mac.hardware	cannot move data fast want achiev throughput rate megabyt sec for larg data transfer quadra nubu network card that can pump data mac memori block mode transfer high speed disk arrai asynchron call that can achiev transfer disk buffer network card not transfer data disk buffer transfer data buffer card result slow scheme for megabyt transfer step load disk buffer step asynch send card load disk buffer step asynch send card load disk buffer step asynch send card load nth disk buffer step send nth card even code appar execut card transfer asynchron and card not us mac cpu buffer tho each step long two transfer execut anoth improv rate mac ram dual port nubu card and disk driver can access data time problem that two devic card and disk driver us bu mac ram can david david blume tire think thing dcb wdl wdl loral don want bukowski barfli
comp.sys.mac.hardware	duo dock processor folk thought answer struck flat face appl releas duo dock processor peopl hound appl for notebook processor appl can deliv that sap power radiat heat and larg for notebook that design chipset us exist powerbook technolog your advantag duo dock appl uniqu abil give user that power semi portabl fashion plunk into dock you quadra power your desk road that mhz handl your not solut answer win situat thi mean will us powerbook processor parallel dock processor get hypothet travi grundk macgam digest your sourc for inform contribut editor new review game softwar and game macgam digest industri macintosh commun repli cleveland freenet edu for inform macgam digest
comp.sys.mac.hardware	powerbook question can powerbook pixel displai and dpi resolut assum that doesn and don mean impli dimens info price drop model duo come
comp.sys.mac.hardware	question quadra articl bostrauma trauma ennui trauma for nevil di ennui write inform acheiv resolut interanl video thi even suspect that isn for centri you correctli wire video cabl gari gari snow uunet clark gsnow gsnow clark edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl ergo mous apr utkvx utk edu nwc utkvx utk edu schizophrenia mean never alon write open appl ergo mous adb mous mine live cat true and pick fur can appl weld shut rotat plate mous ball counter clockwis you can open mous and clean isn obviou desktop bu mous open quit easili onc you geoff geoffb dartmouth edu comput support consult tuck school busi you don vote you don count
comp.sys.mac.hardware	cheapest mike for centri articl summer rintintin colorado edu summer rintintin colorado edu summeral thoma write bought centri and discov dispoint that appl cheap includ mike anymor intern extern you mic you intern rom drive gari gari snow uunet clark gsnow gsnow clark edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	duo dock processor cleveland freenet edu travi grundk write appl releas duo dock processor peopl hound appl for notebook processor appl can deliv that sap power radiat heat and larg for notebook that design chipset us exist powerbook technolog your advantag duo dock appl uniqu abil give user that power semi portabl fashion plunk into dock you quadra power your desk road that mhz handl your not solut answer win situat thi mean will us powerbook processor parallel dock processor get hypothet great for anoth reason not dock serv ara server larg intern your corpor email etc pinch you two machin coupl that thought rocketshar and you us and dock mighti power dock brian hall mspace netcom mark space softwork applelink markspac america onlin markspac not disturb mission egghead
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl tape backup system articl pskkt fnnew fnal gov fnclub fnal gov david sach write articl gener nova gener nova sti nasa gov curti gener write appl tape backup unit work sy not driver softwar access devic retrospect dantz work nice thi combin us retrospect notic that central point softwar mactool backup support appl tape drive appl tape drive quit slow advantag retrospect rel simpler mactool backup signific case for back larg server dat drive us appl tape drive for make econom sens pai extra for retrospect mactool cheaper and includ worthwhil util retrospect nice and upgrad bill johnston johnston udel edu chamber street newark
comp.sys.mac.hardware	duo dock problem compsci liverpool phil csc liv phil jimmieson write had problem duo dock not eject duo properli duo come dock coupl inch eject and had pull rest nowadai and had system for month duo doesn come despit fact that mechan make nois and grab hold and pull simpl fix for thi return appl dealer will languish for week make colour displai vram floppi scsi etc btw not that duo lock into dock doesn want slide phil jimmieson comput scienc dept janet phil liv csc liverpool univers internet phil csc liv box liverpool head heel love cramp heard rumor that dock cpu will design that thi batch love duo instal card dock not fun bob bob lord south wacker room network manag chicago cstar group andersen consult lord andersen
comp.sys.mac.hardware	intern scsi instal appl unabl locat suitabl drive scsi wrong appl hdsc will format hard drive that appl sold you us parti format drive spoton
comp.sys.mac.hardware	articl innrc srvr engin umich edu chyang leghorn engin umich edu chung hsiung yang write articl bauer bauer informatik uni ulm christian bauer write articl afi sh vohmryle andrew cmu edu donpaul stephen deathbird cmu edu wrote differ want doubl spin rom drive into nec and appl doublespin nec toshiba and soni appl deliv speed appl price low compar ram simm you bui inexpenc driver revis easier driver kit appl manufactur christian bauer bauer informatik uni ulm thought nec and toshiba rom mechan averag access time soni appl rom drive access time for doublespin model chung yang toshiba access time nec access time soni appl access time somewhat import not vital case cd data transfer rate drive doubl speed drive maximum data transfer rate second good choic appl cheap includ mac and agre christian comment driver appl bootabl centri and quadra nice featur you instal system softwar don nec toshiba bootabl machin mark
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl ergo mous articl dartvax dartmouth edu geoffb coo dartmouth edu thumper write apr utkvx utk edu nwc utkvx utk edu schizophrenia mean never alon write open appl ergo mous adb mous mine live cat true and pick fur can appl weld shut rotat plate mous ball counter clockwis you can open mous and clean isn obviou desktop bu mous open quit easili onc you geoff geoffb dartmouth edu comput support consult tuck school busi you don vote you don count origin poster meant open mous not releas ball and get roller found that origin adb mous sometim unscrew two halv allow for easier clean origin poster answer you open ergonom mous open mean split two halv gut isn obviou base minut spent offic yesterdai visibl screw head mark
comp.sys.mac.hardware	disappoint cie articl new servic uci edu wayn chen eapu orion oac uci edu write industri sound unfair for that oop meant fair not unfair
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra problem question quadra and notic that can chang desktop color beauti grai thought reinstal instal macintosh centri quadra diskett system file thi diskett recent hard disk easi instal select macintosh cnetri system softwar us thi custom and us system softwar for macintosh matter advanc for suggest kai alexand dominion univers bitnet kba oduvm internet kba oduvm odu edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	sale powerbook slow articl martin tohi comp sy mac hardwar martin tohi jean francoi martin write thi not april joke dealer town told that powerbook don sell us sell gui told that appl problem desktop mac expens powerbook expens comparison you can do side you thi you feel thing curiou sound high demand for product incent aggres cut price onc demand fall bit time start get aggress price wait long can hurt your busi powerbook sold slow appl come lower price version reason powerbook that spring for rest lineup pricei for bet come power version michael peirc peirc outpost bai org peirc softwar suit hibiscu place san jose california usa maker voic fax smoothi applelink peirc america onlin afc peirc
comp.sys.mac.hardware	cach card and optimum memori set question that simpl answer stump and extern ram cach card for you you larg cach set control panel your simm mac iici meg ram extern video card don rob simm and default appl cach card thi cach set meg good measli cach card slow thing divid cach card and simm speed thing provid secondari stage area for data pass directli into simm ram cach confus cach card low memori good compar you can set daystar fastcach number show perform boost oper chip cach card simpli faster simm access find optimum memori set for iici system describ patrick hurh fnal fnal gov
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor and video card for think bui extern monitor for and wonder netland advic for think color monitor and bit card that can switch and higher read report card lapi that thi not us extern monitor main screen menubar major draw back thi perhap fix can card thi micron xceed monitor bui moment lean soni exactli differ good cheap monitor doesn monitor multisync support card that can switch resolut send mail and summar greatli get mail address mail order compani that sell monitor card advanc eggert thorlaciu univers iceland
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl ergo mous that order innard mous you remov label bottom that appl desktop bu mous you find two screw side haven ran fingernail accross label two divot appear and can assum that elus screw question cheer john john graham cleveland institut music jmg cwru edu brought you letter and and number
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor articl pco einn corona hsc usc edu daniel chen dschen corona hsc usc edu write interest get color monitor for lciii quit confus soni monitor compar soni and appl dan thought mention that soni longer manufactur cpd manufactur flaw model appl soni trinitrom claim inch not detail defect work school bookstor and can you that half return kind defect anoth two cent worth
comp.sys.mac.hardware	monitor joseph kasan jmk cwru edu write thought mention that soni longer manufactur cpd manufactur flaw model appl soni trinitrom claim inch not detail defect work school bookstor and can you that half return kind defect anoth assum that you refer correct kind flaw report mine for month and haven notic problem develop lucki and snag good monitor curiou john john graham cleveland institut music jmg cwru edu brought you letter and and number
comp.sys.mac.hardware	you appl color onescann articl apr midwai uchicago edu johnc jcav elli uchicago edu write set bui for offic us for scan color photograph and for optic charact recognit plai origin grayscal onescann and pleas color model compar qualiti brand ocr softwar you recommend lean caer omnipag idea work campu bookstor and had opportun demo color scanner found impress afford educ discount note that come ofoto softwar suffici for
comp.sys.mac.hardware	advic tech work etc gregori welch write instruct for return ram expect credit visa week month and credit call almost return arghhh final found told never receiv your chip explain procedur that had return person repli you mean you mail had per origin sale person instruct told that loss mail shipment not uncommon come and that stuff fedex etc return memori last summer for credit and sale person warn not us mail insur shipment and appar techwork minor grip techwork that price list for peopl order duo memori think price employ subsequ found that appl offer develop memori for techwork charg call complain and told appl develop and credit card for purchas price techwork qualiti and instal instruct and includ powerbook tool for purchas sale tax chip merchant bit forrest howard oracl corpor oracl parkwai box redwood shore
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri peopl opinion real world differ and coprocessor don us mathamatica mapl etc don us spreadsheet sheet complic don us cad app us us render extens commun run bb write softwar write paper etc btw for kick thi told local appl rep upgrad appl built extra socket for coprocessor chip that you plug coprocessor and work heartili laugh and hung phone nate hate quotat thi messag brought you you nate sammon and number ralph waldo emerson long lanc colost edu
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl ergo mous articl eqg dartvax dartmouth edu hade dartmouth edu write nwc utkvx utk edu schizophrenia mean never alon write open appl ergo mous adb mous mine live cat true and pick fur can appl weld shut you not hard opend mine second bottom dial that turn open older adb mous us bit harder turn quit simpl open nope pretti that thi person ball that want mous apart mous had screw bottom that you unscrew thi obviou apart toni quan stanford edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	iisi clock upgrad get lot request for thi inform thought post for interest parti for length increas maciisi speed mhz mhz clock chang mhz mhz mhz thi static free work station put aluminum foil work open lift tab back case remov hard disk disconnect power and scsi cabl spread tab and lift drive remov flopi drive remov power suppli spread tab front and lift suppli straight and remov fan press ear togeth back bottom side fan and lift straight and remov mother board spread tab left and side board and slide board forward lift board connector back board remov desold mhz clock closest memori modul thi not easi even for skill solder socket round pin and remov pin push bottom long nose plier put pin hole vacat clock and solder insert mhz mhz clock put larg power transistor heat sink processor chip and larg chip processor and figur hold heat sync place made simpl clamp put inch screw hole board two chip mount screw insul washer screw cross member heat sync hold place don us pressur put back togeth and for disclaim thi procedur us and not author you your for thi procedur quit will void your warente bye for ralph durtschi idaho state univers email durtralp isu edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	racet optic racet drive ricoh mechan rom thing tosoh optic disk byte per sector cart for thing that refus mount format cart that for drive that work racet certifi media sector cart can that thi tosoh cart kind incompat low level format softwar will thi format thi drive dip set for mechan combin driver and custom format program can find luck idea joshc csa edu you good idea mail thi address can check thi newsgroup constantli
comp.sys.mac.hardware	powerbook powerbook fax data modem citibank citidollar catalog for citidollar modem bp data bp fax send monti solomon box framingham monti roscom
comp.sys.mac.hardware	problem rose work rose card problem that crash card disappear system and let crash mac don us card quit simul error instruct regist mask simul stuck error bit crash instanc rose notic crash set flag and stop work read mention flag mac can notic card crash that work fine for almost crash sometim card doesn set flag and disappear system document rose not behavior crash and moment understand analyz assembl code and that frustrat and lengthi can repli email don read thi group depart comput scienc univers dortmund germani laf aennig mail maennig veronica informatik uni dortmund begin god creat adam ahem atom atom hydrogen
comp.sys.mac.hardware	floptic question articl bmyer slip ot utexa edu bmyer ccwf utexa edu billi lee myer write last time look floptic disk weren that cheap per floptic disk per megabyt per sysquest per megabyt floptic sinc begin year per floptic per megabyt and advertis macweek per megabyt for tight budget fact that minim dollar increment for storag versu sometim matter
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri video problem recent obtain centri and develop unusu video problem model vram card monitor appl comput set for color and oper vertic scroll window horizont white line monitor gener not spare open window line accummul oper continu window move involv area screen and move line disappear that area screen thi problem not observ monitor configur for color inch appl monitor color us suspect bad video ram chip cannot problem appar sinc dai wors wonder thi and fix respond azelenet bigmac mskcc org you for your andrew zelenetz molecular biologi program memori sloan ketter cancer center
comp.sys.mac.hardware	noisi can thi older style fan that remind hous ventil cylindr drum blade rotor make thi loud buzz nois due vibrat somewher remov screw and loosen front back quiet can assum that fan hous thi goofi thing touch back case and vibrat suggest for replac fan and stealth thi gui your experi had plan perfect batf spokesperson cnn fail raid attempt
comp.sys.mac.hardware	tempest and cyclon info need inform upcom comput cyclon and tempest info greatli appreci shawn breedsa wkuvx bitnet
comp.sys.mac.hardware	rumour duo jek ultb isc rit edu king write sinc subject chip power consumpt heard reliabl sourc that dec alpha chip power that intel pentium chip and whip pentium butt make you intel made chip begin wouldn you powerbook alpha run mip cool idea bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt wrong extrem hot idea current alpha alpha run mhz produc quit bit heat fact that special mount extra larg heat sink appl pretti commit powerpc rout deal dec sid sidnei kitchel kitchel indiana edu kitchel dpsi data parallel system inc dpsi morningsid drive bloomington indiana usa fax
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appletalk card question chanc bui us appletalk card creat network home machin gui card tell can rememb back card pin pin mini din that expect thi sound thicknet ethernet card transciev quadra reason price expect pai for card keep mind that micro channel architectur mean your guess and doubl email repli appreci rrr idea richr opinion express not necessarili univers north carolina chapel hill campu offic for inform technolog experiment bulletin board servic internet launchpad unc edu
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	macintosh luggabl line screen don us for work correctli long appl continu make system softwar that will run slowli problem screen tilt back vertic line screen pixel and affect somewhat open window and pull menu semi technic person loos connect screen and rest comput open suggest that not involv bui comput take thi shop not bui larri pina book larri not feel strongli comput bui servic manual for relat note monitor connector connect erik
comp.sys.mac.hardware	performa monitor performa monitor compat appl color displai vga moniro will
comp.sys.mac.hardware	rack mount price good product that rack mount blow monei applic music and haul plan drive don depend intern fix hard drive pretti rough intern san francisco bai area that matter info and midi and care email price paid for price list faq never mind curiou differ retail and local univers price jeff adam adam ups mtv gtegsc
comp.sys.mac.hardware	current rom version ship syquest drive titl and rom version steve
comp.sys.mac.hardware	duo crash aftersleep appl bug mysstem crash aftwer sleepp us enabl us appletalk and fileshar and expressmodem lowel lowel reiter vacat tuft univers internet account lreiter jade tuft edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri decstat net adapt pnsf smuc umassd edu denni wilkinson write not necessarili thrid parti adapt appl manufactur transceiv for thinwir and baset twist pair cabl media aui attach unit interfac transciev run each you us thinwir baset you termin appl transceiv termin rememb correctli idea dec parti media adapt cheaper toronto appl bought adapt asant appl gurman umbra gsfc nasa gov joseph gurman write decstat model and come thinwir can for model and your bet that not true decstat come thinwir bnc coaxial ethernet connector and singl pin aui ethernet connector distinctli rememb thi and thought thinwir eventu had back and order desta dec overs version aui bnc adapt that us transciev cabl for rest station advis origin poster beverli you want creat lan two workstat and won add machin for thinwir media type for utp unshield twist pair wire requir concentr mean extra monei and unit come port for thicknet nightmar and cabl expens avoid you choic two machin two floor part mac side you will thinwir media adapt appl parti macx make you version won run system mactcp come macx you macx you get mactcp don us earlier version centri you not ohm termin depend thinwir media adapt sale adapt termin not configur mactcp us ethernet decstat side you will for model you will connector for model you will aui bnc adapt that can plug directli aui port decstat thi you save cost transciev cabl pin aui male pin aui femal cabl ohm termin your two machin network will thi decstat centri decstat centri ohm termin connector thinwir coaxial cabl aui bnc thick thin adapt thickwir media adapt assum termin andi andi sun andi utoronto taddl creek road toronto comput coordin ontario canada depart industri engin phone univers toronto fax
comp.sys.mac.hardware	vga monitor and mac seri comput recal read that mac and iii can us stand ard vga monitor cabl adapt uncertain thi sinc ask peopl thi not can vga monitor us mac spec need for monitor work mac horizont nad vertic frequenc
comp.sys.mac.hardware	lcd overhead projector apr ed jan camhpp mdcbb jan vandenbrand write for color lcd screen you place overhead projector and control present mac can you recommend brand price talk for good displai you activ matrix panel and bright overhead projector design us lcd panel stage not hot proxima ovat unit and like need brighter projector us expens for you imho price activ matrix panel rumour drop substanti thi year tarrif lift canadian dollar proxima ovat model rang price and good overhead projector for that kind monei you can brighter imag beam projector sacrific portabl proper room light extrem import you want your audienc light read handout and not that light wash your displai front room tricki
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	convert keyboard for mac mac coupl year ago bought shinei appl keyboard abd port replac mac pro extend keyboard enjoi you thi extra keyboard us problem jack for keyboard input and keyboard don extra adb cabl local appl dealer such nice peopl couldn order wire wire adb cabl black white red tan ground get serial signal suppli volt and forgot fourth you hook wrong you fry board and don want that brave soul thi mail your experi directli greatli sinc appl origin keyboard not ergonom correct btw apart keyboard find correl wire for jack and adb sinc such luck connect solder insid box ti blink ey ti draught breath blossom health pale death gild saloon briar shroud spirit mortal proud william knox shagberg cmp ilstu edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac portabl intern fax modem can intern fax modem for origin mac portabl made for manufactur can find for your gene wright gene jackatak raider net gene wright jackatak raider net
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac portabl ram problem coprocessor not instal recent bought ram card for origin mac portabl backlit and sinc had bizarr crash happen put machin sleep and wake machin sometim will freez cursor and lock machin forc push reset switch time will give usual bomb box error messag processor not instal solut not put machin sleep idea caus thi fix memori card psuedostat ram and into pd slot that figur into problem manufactur king memori not kingston irvin problem machin idea gene wright gene jackatak raider net gene wright jackatak raider net
comp.sys.mac.hardware	driver for datafram driver for bernoulli cartridg datafram hard disk system fri and haven locat origin disk can thi mail advanc wayn lyle wayn lyle dilworth paxson kalish kauffman philadelphia
comp.sys.mac.hardware	question centri ram luck futur and wonder clear two question for speed simm want that vram not for main ram heard two conflict stori total expand ram and meg true perhap anoth phrase meg version come meg logic board meg meg simm wonder dave hollinsworth hlsw uhura rochest edu astound time fleet mad take plai toll riff raff rocki horror pictur show pinbal disclaim opinion
comp.sys.mac.hardware	replac intern fdhd floptic iisi floppi drive that bad and align haven check drive not easili repar replac intern floptic can thi easili can assum that floptic drive can read and write and floppi thi not fact true advanc kiran
comp.sys.mac.hardware	colour card for wouldani afair price for color card aussi dollar wonder view express thi post individu author bb number maccont victoria icon bb
comp.sys.mac.hardware	ram upgrad will slow you absolutei true you fail mention fact that lciii pin simm bit access each simm case iii simm slot access will bit wide view express thi post individu author bb number maccont victoria icon bb
comp.sys.mac.hardware	interest adb behaviour apr waikato ldo waikato lawrenc oliveiro waikato univers write heard such warn appl ask coupl technician servic mac for year danger damag logic board plug and unplug adb devic power problem that pin adb connector close each and you happen bend cabl insert you short adb port you appl repair centr that mean motherboard compon replac physic for serial port localtalk cheer jon tte nada kth mac hacker delux thi articl print recycl electron
comp.sys.mac.hardware	rom acceler video qknuq agat berkelei edu web berkelei edu jame wang write address mode command that fill slightli faster sinc instruct fetch byte time versu even can fetch two byte time instruct move fetch byte time that mean bit pixel cheer jon tte nada kth mac hacker delux thi articl print recycl electron
comp.sys.mac.hardware	ad int hard disk drive iicx haven info add extra intern disk mac and had good advic mac iicx origin intern quantum hard disk and unus floppi drive spare connor disk us idea replac broken floppi drive hard disk problem intern scsi cabl and power cabl insid connector for singl hard disk drive made ribbon cabl and power cabl connector each for motherboard for each disk work iicx suppli extra power extra disk termin suppos that remov resistor pack disk that closest motherboard leav instal disk scsi jumper chang that disk get problem for remov floppi drive extern floppi that can us won boot hard disk you torbj rogn email rogntorb idt unit
comp.sys.mac.hardware	want hard drive market for hard drive iisi and almost fill sell for mac for cheap can mail order and place bui for price net thi newsgroup that sell for wholesal cheaper info appreci
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac iisi power limit mac iisi and upgrad card hard drive etc can you power limit for pd slot and hard drive power feed secondli can you separ limit for each singl limit for combin felix lin reader comp sy mac hardwar feilimau leland stanford edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra scsi problem attent mac quadra owner storag industri expert conclud that mac quadra suffer time irregular deviat standard scsi specif thi result silent corrupt data us devic includ ultra modern devic will not name devic sinc not fault exampl soni inch special mac compat firmwar instal solut sometim disabl blind write thi doesn sound don quadra us mac noth scsi time that handl chip time wrong appl program clock regist wrong that hurt synchron transfer not us mac scsi manag disabl blind write meaningless quadra mac that us lower level scsi chip mac respons for handshak each byte transfer blind mode affect mac handl that handshak handshak handl chip tim smith
comp.sys.mac.hardware	can monitor articl carsona sfu carsona fraser sfu debra carson write virtual screen larger size us you step for time work powerbook system minor problem menubar icon edg latest version step that work deni
comp.sys.mac.hardware	for free share ware for ftp site freewar sharewar for mac will lot driver sourc code ftp site inform appreci advanc young dept info univ tokyo email young tokyo
comp.sys.mac.hardware	question centri ram articl apr galileo rochest edu hlsw uhura rochest edu dave hollinsworth wrote luck futur and wonder clear two question for speed simm want that vram not for main ram pin simm heard two conflict stori total expand ram and meg true perhap anoth phrase meg version come meg logic board meg meg simm config each case memori solder board leav simm socket open total address memori for wonder michael mcguir mcguir utkvx utk edu utcc user servic
comp.sys.mac.hardware	disappear hard drive intern disappear for dai last week and hear reason theori folk can suggest for happen ram and intern drive run system scsi devic properli termin chain had shut system for dai town and sometim thunderstorm thi time year and restart blink question mark boot floppi and that extern sign intern instal system folder extern and boot thing disk aid and silverlin inquir intern drive not find error talk silverlin claim connor drive quantum back thing work point notic that intern had reappear disk aid that etc thing fine happen thi warn that intern die nervou and thi signal that intern sick true that can put drive insid folk claim limit size power and that includ laci phone that fit for answer
comp.sys.mac.hardware	disabl power manag interrupt point init that turn power manag duo write init that turn power manag duo point document power manag that can write such init explain such init total partial imposs ideal turn and fly sure such init help powerbook owner want midi cannot imagin not requir appl divlug secret and that case sure appl write init appl bring model fast dai that even don work scott petrack petrack haifasc vnet ibm
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl announc performa version articl apr desir wright edu demon desir wright edu not boomer write appl announc that will start sell vesion performa machin will built modem and bundl softwar model will and price not set appl retail price machin expect rang kind post thi you substanti world give detail come mac that model etc
comp.sys.mac.hardware	desktop rebuild and datadesk keyboard datadesk mac keyboard similar problem found that hold hand shift kei startup will work disabl extens left hand shift kei won unfortun sinc left instinct reach for similarli train hold hand pair command option for desktop rebuild irrit cheer michael michael smith smith pell anu edu mathemat research section australian nation univers
comp.sys.mac.hardware	memori upgrad jacob plasma ssl berkelei edu nga throgaw shaygii write excus thi frequent question check faq couldn find you excus answer vari mac mac complex answer faq iisi standard meg memori and want add addit memori budget don meg max perform wise and econom thi told that us simm amount memori that meg meg etc want bui meg and us rest manual hasn help thi bit wide data bu and you us bit wide simm short cut you quit greg word not motorola equal right not special right gpb gpb mac sp mot will not ride back bu greg berryman silenc death motorola austin texa usa true glb mail list glblist gpb mac sp mot motorola
comp.sys.mac.hardware	set lb top centri had question for nec monitor appl gui that monitor put ontop centri and had coment that put nec box think monitor small tilt swivel base weight concentr appl don area base tilt swivel addition cdrom drive middl cut piec thick wood cover cream cover cloth and us buffer layer centri top and monitor mick mueck mick mueck analog hate chipsoft macintax
comp.sys.mac.hardware	thunderscan spare imagewrit cover replac cover need us thunderscan imagewrit can fool printer into work cover stick suitabl magnet into cover sensor for ralph magnet trick will work care you appli white tape rubber carriag roller tell scanner edg and can come jim edgewai infolink name edgewai wimsei gui bb voic view express individu author firstclass postalunion lite north vancouv canada
comp.sys.mac.hardware	lciii problem articl apr leland stanford edu ravi konchigeri mongoos leland stanford edu write final comput fix and sum hard drive compani origin meg drive that bad bad sector ibm quantum lciii suppos ship ibm qualiti differ appar second hard drive posit put lciii side and had problem even switch back and horizont and vertic and problem concern don posit import for drive meg comput don rom life lane end half mile ravi konchigeri mongoos leland stanford edu ravi not good idea horizont format hard disk vertic posit drive format horizont posit can not complet compens for gravit pull vertic posit not that your hard disk will fail tomorrow month that chanc you want detail info problem mail sunnyt dna bch edu sunni
comp.sys.mac.hardware	lciii problem sidewai articl qmgjk menudo edu sunnyt code bch edu write not good idea horizont format hard disk vertic posit drive format horizont posit can not complet compens for gravit pull vertic posit not that your hard disk will fail tomorrow month that chanc you want detail info problem mail sunnyt dna bch edu sunni ask thi question ago contempl place side receiv respons seagat trash messag state that newer drive seagat can compens for graviti thi mean that horizont format drive can vertic data integr problem that newer drive cannot work you vari forc shake bounc etc don place drive side rock chair constitut newer drive don call your drive manufactur quantum intern and sinc month ago guess newer
comp.sys.mac.hardware	want us deskjet system articl mori apr cere mfd fujitsu mori volga mfd fujitsu tsuyoshi mori write us deskjet orang micro grappler system updat system system kanji talk can not print deskjet grappler can us deskjet system us deskjet system you japan mori volga mfd fujitsu us deskjet grappler ver and work system us swa dutch and swa swiss font that due size requir print pnt definit print pnt font upgrad talk orang micro and state that ver grappler work system upgrad pass hope thi help marc marc donovan donovan bnr voic fax disclaim respons for opinion
comp.sys.mac.hardware	lciii powerpc mirski hal gnu mit edu david joshua mirski write lciii and recent heard interest rumor heard that lciii built slot for powerpc chip thi true heard that slot not pd slot that true don hype such thing powerpc slot hade
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra scsi problem don specif problem mention your messag had scsi problem and vener jasmin megadr cartridg drive solut silverlin loop that involv blind write work drive fact loop that work macintosh softwar loop that mean mark
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra scsi problem tz stein washington edu tim smith write attent mac quadra owner storag industri expert conclud that mac quadra suffer time irregular deviat standard scsi specif thi result silent corrupt data us devic includ ultra modern devic will not name devic sinc not fault exampl soni inch special mac compat firmwar instal solut sometim disabl blind write thi doesn sound don quadra us mac noth scsi time that handl chip time wrong appl program clock regist wrong that hurt synchron transfer not us mac scsi manag disabl blind write meaningless quadra mac that us lower level scsi chip mac respons for handshak each byte transfer blind mode affect mac handl that handshak handshak handl chip doc that scsi manag bug thi thing jim jagielski and gonna stiff jim jagubox gsfc nasa gov hei lama nasa gsfc code you for effort greenbelt
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra scsi problem articl apr mintaka lc mit edu nodin lc mit edu mark nodin write don specif problem mention your messag had scsi problem and vener jasmin megadr cartridg drive solut silverlin loop that involv blind write work drive fact loop that work macintosh softwar loop that mean doubt thi quadra specif problem had rid vener bernoulli last year cartridg purchas each make thing worth comput tech support gui ocean microsystem suggest that parti driver fix problem case cartridg wouldn format mount partit for bill johnston johnston udel edu chamber street newark
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac scsi pmmu socket question articl qkmb jethro corp sun khc marantz corp sun write mac suppos socket for pmmu chip that socket motherboard obtain pmmu chip mhz surplu store and instal mac circa cannot socket instal origin mac had appl mmu chip instal perform subset function you underneath your front left floppi bai you will find chip approxim size will and approxim size will appl chip easi spot hump middl exampl that and appl logo make easi find ben mpretzel utexa edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	lciii problem ravi konchigeri mongoos leland stanford edu write hard drive compani origin meg drive that bad bad sector ibm quantum lciii suppos ship ibm qualiti differ offici experi includ quantum problem free brand mac second hard drive posit put lciii side and had problem even switch back and horizont and vertic and problem concern don posit import for drive meg comput don rom not matter for hard drive mac long doesn fall doug thi signatur construct wyvern technolog tidewat premier onlin inform system login guest password guest regist
comp.sys.mac.hardware	noisi can articl rjinn cae cad gatech edu vincent cad gatech edu vincent fox write thi older style fan that remind hous ventil cylindr drum blade rotor make thi loud buzz nois due vibrat somewher remov screw and loosen front back quiet can assum that fan hous thi goofi thing touch back case and vibrat suggest for replac fan and stealth thi gui your experi had plan perfect batf spokesperson cnn fail raid attempt own replac fan silenc macwarehous macconnect come instruct for instal and requir solder work charm manufactur mobiu dave dlc umcc ai org
comp.sys.mac.hardware	iii nubu capabl mmiller garnet msen marvin miller write friend recent purchas iii and such demon call nubu adapt for pd slot compusa and computerc supercent don carri thi mean iii incap carri nubu board that exactli mean famili mac can us pd card not us nubu hade
comp.sys.mac.hardware	desktop rebuild and datadesk keyboard smith pell anu edu michael smith write similarli train hold hand pair command option for desktop rebuild set and didn work phone tech support and gui doesn desktop rebuild hold for and hold and hold and hold final back and basic work doen and don guess will back macconnect and bui thing plai music keyboard terri
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	fpu dumb question fit fpu mac not plain speed increas refer chip advanc sylvain louboutin phone mail sloubtin dsg tcd distribut system group reilli institut room fax depart comput scienc triniti colleg dublin ireland
comp.sys.mac.hardware	lciii powerpc articl qksuq hal gnu mit edu mirski hal gnu mit edu david joshua mirski write lciii and recent heard interest rumor heard that lciii built slot for powerpc chip thi true heard that slot not pd slot that true david mirski mirski gnu mit edu iii pop top reveal socket for addit vram simm socket for pin ram simm socket for flat pack fpu processor direct slot pd ident addit set connet side for full bit data path that lack that guess board powerpc chip made that fit pd that place andr molyneux wvv insert your favorit disclaim pyramid technolog corp internet street andrem pyramid san jose packet wvv ari nocal usa
comp.sys.mac.hardware	question centri ram articl mcguir newsserv utcc utk edu mcguir utkvx utk edu michael mcguir wrote articl apr galileo rochest edu hlsw uhura rochest edu dave hollinsworth wrote luck futur and wonder clear two question for speed simm want that vram not for main ram pin simm heard two conflict stori total expand ram and meg true perhap anoth phrase meg version come meg logic board meg meg simm config each case memori solder board leav simm socket open total address memori for time post dale adam appl comput and requir simm not centri requir simm pete
comp.sys.mac.hardware	setup partit set lb top centri articl apr urbana mcd mot feldman urbana mcd mot mike feldman wrote can figur hope partit button hard disk setup util dare and happen can divid wealth famili member bit securli get inform section manual suggest avenu call appl didn mention net mike feldman motorola comput group fax east univers avenu pager urbana mcdphx uiucuxc udc feldman feldman urbana mcd mot partit button appl setup let you set and type partit won you creat normal mac volum you silverlin similar that will you advantag unus space your hard disk you don mind reformat thing chri ellen ellen bnr
comp.sys.mac.hardware	performa intern modem articl lsrk innr new bbn ado quinc bbn buz owen write hear that performa lciii intern modem can modem part obtain and instal lciii nice powerbook intern modem that hope for you misinform check sear last week modem extern bp data send fax
comp.sys.mac.hardware	can monitor maxapplezoom sharewar init your monitor not driven intern video chen
comp.sys.mac.hardware	memori upgrad jeff eniac sea upenn edu georg write us memori newer model bui upgrad powerbook us card powerbook us meg upgrad meg and meg upgrad for for pb eric smith eric netcom eric infoserv
comp.sys.mac.hardware	ram upgrad will slow douc tfsquad org andrew gewek write cannot speak for dale quit that macintosh full bit bit data path full advantag that run fast two pin simm pin simm that longword access assum bit data path byte simm second byte second and thi mean that each longword memori split simm for each byte hand that simm interleav word longword not byte success memori and memori control deal bit data path that each suspect that interleav extent that bit can read written onc thi byte level interleav not confus thi machin longword interleav two pin simm sort that sort idea you essenti bit data path excus ram bit cpu can handl write success address speed dale pin simm interleav byte allow full data bu common usenet and clueless conclus can drawn thi figur kind memori configur for iii bit datapath fastest idea jason macdonald jason scott macdonald jsm cornel edu jsm crux cit cornel edu technolog suffici advanc indistinguish magic cat exist that arthur clark caress lion
comp.sys.mac.hardware	lciii cach card press releas heard rumor cach card for lciii that full data bu width pd slot mauric internet lriggin afit mil
comp.sys.mac.hardware	modem info for duo altern express modem duo owner want baud place town back order and part reason want laptop mac can us remot termin wherev hate wait month modem settl baud you
comp.sys.mac.hardware	long ram simm last articl apr ultb isc rit edu jek ultb isc rit edu king wrote doesn simm move flip flop don move bigger electron noah noah appl macintosh hardwar design sun decwrl appl noah not opinion appl comput inc
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra scsi problem articl hvinnseq shellei washington edu tz stein washington edu tim smith wrote attent mac quadra owner storag industri expert conclud that mac quadra suffer time irregular deviat standard scsi specif thi result silent corrupt data us devic includ ultra modern devic will not name devic sinc not fault that fine you name industi expert can track thi thi doesn sound don quadra us mac noth scsi time that handl chip yup that kinda curiou scsi problem encount due cabl noah noah appl macintosh hardwar design sun decwrl appl noah not opinion appl comput inc
comp.sys.mac.hardware	iii nubu capabl articl qkkq nigel msen mmiller garnet msen marvin miller wrote friend recent purchas iii and such demon call nubu adapt for pd slot compusa and computerc supercent don carri thi mean iii incap carri nubu board appl doesn make such card suppos parti big problem that isn room for standard nubu card insid iii noah noah appl macintosh hardwar design sun decwrl appl noah not opinion appl comput inc
comp.sys.mac.hardware	put centri intern bai articl jfnp fcx world std jbailei world std jim bailei wrote hade coo dartmouth edu brian hugh write tz stein washington edu tim smith write jbailei world std jim bailei write you intern mix analog audio output mac gener audio mac motherboard you can sampl audio sound control panel click option button microphon icon you click option button never undim latest word thi you disconnect microphon cabl motherboard button suppos dim audio will simpli select audio microphon remov don button dim sinc noth select haven track centri check thi assum that machin intern rom bai work quadra don yup made mistak month ago thi issu noah noah appl macintosh hardwar design sun decwrl appl noah not opinion appl comput inc
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar intel and motorola compet neck and neck for crunch power for clock speed rank you will fit into list pentium powerpc and clock speed doubl clock speed doubl processor speed and fill below mhz mhz hear explan experienc folk folk troubl repli repli command type address hand and work dave kitabjian kit ahb jyin vital statist east garden favorit guitarist phil keaggi dayton favorit comput macintosh spaghetti prefer semi broken tredysvr ubbpc dhk instal pref top gvl vfl paramax favorit book bibl favorit rush limbaugh commerci taxula part iii favorit contradict pro child pro choic
comp.sys.mac.hardware	deskwrit opinion feedback lot worth addit expens problem found word you tabl longer page and cell visibl border last bottom page line page will miss make differ tabl format worst that doesn show word page view page preview ari ari covrigaru univers michigan lab phone room advanc technolog bldg internet ari eec umich edu beal av ann arbor
comp.sys.mac.hardware	long ram simm last articl noah noah appl noah appl noah price write articl apr ultb isc rit edu jek ultb isc rit edu king wrote doesn simm move flip flop don move bigger electron dynam ram not base flip flop basic singl transistor and capacitor store each bit static ram base flip flop and expens and dens and part that move electron and thermal expans noah chri chri wood bellcor ccw ctt bellcor
comp.sys.mac.hardware	floptic question articl bmyer slip ot utexa edu billi lee myer bmyer ccwf utexa edu write floptic technolog and doesn enjoi long term data storag optic and last time look floptic disk weren that cheap per floptic disk per megabyt per sysquest per megabyt don time post thi net listen onc and for floptic media megabyt you don bui by floptic per disk that meagabyt not not bui bulk not get special deal meg good book approch floppi price question sourc can ctr cwru edu chri chri robert ctr cwru edu ctr pyrit som cwru edu robert snowhit eeap cwru edu robert alpha ce cwru edu you find log termin check mail
comp.sys.mac.hardware	for sale absolut never us mhz motorola that will sell good offer static free seal packag don good offer will us replac taker supposedli you can for moment demand higher suppli good round number will pai ship offer send lewallen ci ohio state edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	updat keyboard question for mac coupl year ago bought shinei appl keyboard abd port replac mac pro extend keyboard enjoi you thi extra keyboard us problem jack for keyboard input and keyboard don extra adb cabl local appl dealer such nice peopl couldn order wire wire adb cabl black white red tan ground get serial signal suppli volt and forgot fourth you hook wrong you fry board and don want that brave soul thi mail your experi directli greatli sinc appl origin keyboard not ergonom correct btw apart keyboard find correl wire for jack and adb sinc such luck connect solder insid box thing case you think that abd port newer model connect us you you can us telephon cabl and connect mac pro keyboard jack word thi engin feat matter find correct order omt thi work will post solut can for input ti blink ey ti draught breath blossom health pale death gild saloon briar shroud spirit mortal proud william knox shagberg cmp ilstu edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	iisi clock upgrad watch iisi speedup report and plan upgrad week plan build small board crystal and switch speed front pannel switch thi can speed want can run slower stock speed experi compat problem applic don expect switch clock speed system run can switch lock problem switch mhz need and put back idl mhz not neede thi reduc wear and tear cpu even heat sink not want run clock signal switch us chip two board select frequenc desir and rout directli mother board haven start probe insid voltag level power crystal oscil tom dicken boe comput servic tpd yak boe statement mine and not boe
comp.sys.mac.hardware	fax modem home offic bought for around don for data fax featur us voic mail box like captain zod zod ncube
comp.sys.mac.hardware	accelarator accelarator make lot differ understand graphic and cpu accelar graphic accelar scanner and photo shop combin practic mac iici kind accelarator can us captain zod zod ncube
comp.sys.mac.hardware	photo shop scanner macc iici and color scanner scan pictur dpi print color printer minut make nois mac hang reboot thi mean bui memori disk free and scan pictur captain zod zod ncube
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac constantli reboot side note had mac smoke had machin that sudden start emit thick grayish white smoke each case capacitor that had bad encount thi keith coolei macintosh lab administr louisiana tech univers tkc engr latech edu had happen time two begin student pretti entertain happen lab lectur demonstr
comp.sys.mac.hardware	request info floptic drive ad floptic drive current system floptic drive recommend for qualiti and perform prefer floptic drive capabl handl and floppi handl floppi not necess bit iomega floptic and infin floptic drive comment recommend for floptic drive that worth into and can purchas mail order place etc advanc send repli directli umsoroko ccu umanitoba mike sorokowski umsoroko ccu umanitoba
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar dhk ubbpc dave kitabjian write intel and motorola compet neck and neck for crunch power for clock speed rank you will fit into list pentium powerpc fastest pentium version powerpc vicin and clock speed doubl clock speed doubl processor speed and fill below mhz mhz comput speed partli depend processor clock speed memori system speed plai larg role video system speed and speed processor clock rate speed memori system becom greatest factor system speed you mhz processor can read anoth word memori you can put memori your comput will cost time slower simm and roughli twice fast clock speed rai fischer convict danger enemi truth rai netcom li friedrich nietzsch
comp.sys.mac.hardware	pd nubu iii nubu capabl articl mqk liverpool wi liverpool seller write bill higgin beam jockei higgin fnalf fnal gov wrote articl kzl kkb dartvax dartmouth edu hade coo dartmouth edu brian hugh write mmiller garnet msen marvin miller write friend recent purchas iii and such demon call nubu adapt for pd slot famili mac can us pd card not us nubu can technic hip macsling differ pd and nubu imposs make gadget that plug into pd and end nubu card cage marvin friend not locat and fundament reason for thi that exist nubu expans cage advertis occassion that main problem that cost differ price and iivx you lot nubu slot not worth bother that extra box expens bui expens nubu technolog isn special appl proprietri thing thi sneaki feel that licens texa instrument problem build expans box appl ieee nubu standard for bit backplan bu thi technot that reada coupl week ago stuff delet hope thi help bret chase internet bchase wpi wpi edu macintosh bellnet smile won kill you snailnet wpi box institut worcest
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac iisi power limit reader mac iisi and upgrad card hard drive etc can you power limit for pd slot and hard drive power feed secondli can you separ limit for each singl limit for combin drop line you answer question felix lin feilimau leland stanford edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	screen death mac mac and mac problem screen blank sometim minor physic jolt such insert floppi intern drive sometim comput left blank replac wire connect logic board and video board that jiggl wire made screen come back thi work for blank return can power suppli crt comput for advic ethan bodin tuft univers ebodin pearl tuft edu
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl mini dock boss purchas powerbook duo lean math coprocessor for mathematica duo find mini dock coprocessor parti announc such beast alan deguzman geniu never understood time calculu mathematica disclaim univers calvin hobb can afford opinion indispens calvin and hobb
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	upgrad memori origin powerbook ram and find that drag work maximum ram for thi unit and cost hope can latest and info real user post thi group advanc bill
comp.sys.mac.hardware	test simm ytwu magnu ac ohio state edu yih tyng write simm not work don softwar that can test simm reli ram test perform comput start instal dead simm into strang music and displai screen your advanc yih tyng ytwu magnu ac ohio state edu sharewar ramcheck that call ramcheck ftp site such umich and sumex terri
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri math coprocessor option thi faq don read comp sy mac hardwar purchas coupl centri configur system follow ram ethernet vram math coprocessor option purchas agent told math coprocessor option and appl summari document prove order coprocessor option not that need thought chip had math coprocessor built into appl had math coprocessor chip architectur speed chip centri concern that set hardwar bottleneck send your respons david anthoni guevara cup portal will summar interest david guevara internet david anthoni guevara cup portal
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	spec articl rayc myqo netcom rai netcom rai fischer write patrickd wpi wpi edu lazer write greatli mail you that fine stuff delet you librari sinc you wpi and floor professor post ieee spec sheet page long librari info you request matter find hope thi help bret chase internet bchase wpi wpi edu macintosh bellnet smile won kill you snailnet wpi box institut worcest
comp.sys.mac.hardware	iicx won turn chang batteri thing shortli problem happen and notic inordin number bu error pilon pilon rpi edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	summari zyxel string write recent zyxel modem great problem figur string us applic basic string for term firstclass client and telefind client firstclass and term work anoth modem set firstclass and copi for term problem term for exampl will list error time dial start problem cancel and work fine telefind even wors can even wake modem zyxel for program greatli you send setup string you us advanc yoshio ucla edu write for zterm initi atz set init string atz that rsmith pearl tuft edu rod smith write can you firstclass telefind zterm and zyxel for close two week onc zterm set hardwar handshak and bp rate you thi type line set modem ignor dtr line for hardwar handshak not mac hardwar handshak cabl second store thi set volatil memori modem default modem start modem prefer dialog modem initi string set insur that store set us start zterm fax softwar macwoof chang set wai altern you leav factori default and set zterm initi string accomplish thing modem you start zterm and program don modifi set work even program modifi modem set sometim forget turn modem launch zterm and thi assur correct dtr handl modem power compar string command refer guid atz thi enter initi box modem prefer zterm quick summari each commmand reset modem user profil speaker volum fairli quiet ring volum fairli quiet displai connect info set manual assum dtr comput dial speed fast zyxel can handl firstclass us thi string addit command setup box thi disabl auto answer function modem for firstclass base modem set supra fax and chang mention string telefind base set zoom set chang modem initi string us for firstclass and work fine long thi summari forward thi info mac report directori sumex aim save newbi zyxel user troubl set string and save net redund messag add feel free marcu mlobbia ucsd edu marcu lobbia mlobbia sdcc ucsd edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	simm bad mail order dai order vram chip for lciii mac connect overnight nice and instal and found that didn work properli you put comput thousand mode bottom screen chip flicker and fuzzi call and return for question such thing happen simm chip gener you find order chip that larg portion bad thi rariti thi chip order experi thi area curiou had type experi that email and peopl want can post summari hillel sim simsh rpi edu renssela polytechn institut rot rotat forward backward anonym
comp.sys.mac.hardware	tcp rout localtalk ethernet stori network mac localtalk ethernet card and connect don laugh for price mac iisi connect internet slip run baud modem can telnet mac ethernet and telnet rest world want sort hardwar that will rout telnet session localtalk mac ethernet mac heard air doesn trick softwar solut good impress that aren interest and telnet slip connect doesn assign number machin share that number advanc benjamin chuang itd css consult univers michigan benjamin chuang umich edu consult refer bchuang css itd umich edu unix and long messag
comp.sys.mac.hardware	boot ext power extern hard drive us startup disk problem switch mac boot intern restart warm boot mac boot extern make boot directli extern email repli advanc jerri
comp.sys.mac.hardware	simm us nubu board rememb run across back mac user world year ago for nubu board that had umpteen simm slot us recycl your simm you upgrad memori don rememb made thi board and haven advertis latest mac magazin mention that includ softwar make simm board act ram disk simm can rid us hate wast thi sound majorli good idea board compani talk busi can us longer made greatli appreci mail save net bandwidth cap internet cptnerd digex aol cptnerd compuserv consilio manuqu otium cum dignit credo quia absurdum est parturi mont nascetur ridiculu mu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac iisi cach option reader found that cach upgrad option for mac iisi includ quicksilv daystar fastcach iisi daystar combocach iisi logicach iisi cach interest hear opinion option altern upgrad cpu acceler such logicach mhz idea comparis felix lin feilimau leland stanford edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	iivx upgrad question articl ja apr tigger isi edu ja isi edu jeff sullivan write you teh iivx upgrad includ sticker cover iivx identifi centri indetifi can for iivx upgrad wonder thing order iii upgrad turn upgrad entir cpu minu disk drive you pull floppi and hard drive stick and you iii iivx thing into for peopl unhappi that appl sell mac pre packag drive price quit bit higher trade brian cherkau rochest edu
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl give confus messag appl ambigu messag for fpu mac price list messag fpu option discuss thi newsgroup that fpu built configur unclear thi issu price list plan bui pretti get confus whether come fpu not option built understand thi game regard thian
comp.sys.mac.hardware	soni problem info soni and nice run mode pictur won big end gap side and top bottom suspect intern adjust fix thi anoth problem sub bright area that meant black main raster not black real raster quit visibl screen blank thi not sever not good trini screen us turn bright contrast that raster not visibl real imag virtual disappear raster size us dpi bit and rasterop xli card marcu bointon marcu meridian demon marcu bointon tel marcu meridian demon fax us window for week onc feel
comp.sys.mac.hardware	fax modem for mac articl llpo new ci umn edu mbuntan staff umn edu write you respond request for info kind fax modem question advantag bui global villag teleport gold cheaper brand supra zoom etc heard that supra and zoom us softwar complaint incompat problem supra kind incompat decid bui teleport gold possibl add voic option futur heard voic option that supra will offer thi come summer person mention modem get good review mac magazin want fastest econom sound and voic option fax modem bui for post question promis repost answer not post respond advanc regard thian sinc repost thi messag for second time hope hear folk thi topic repli regard thian
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri video problem push media mit edu pushpind singh subject centri video problem date sat apr gmt comput set for color and oper vertic scroll window horizont white line monitor gener not spare open window line accummul oper continu window move involv area screen and move line disappear that area screen thi problem not observ monitor configur for color inch appl monitor color us suspect bad video ram chip cannot problem appar sinc dai wors exactli problem fine switch color smaller monitor configur model centri vram card monitor mag monitor adaptor for resolut discov problem ago plug mag monitor scroll window alpha word and enter return guess bad vram hope isn design flaw appl listen pushpind singh push media mit edu find init call basic color monitor thi clear prob centri and vga type monitor exist binhex copi don and never instal thi problem soni
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar will powerpc pentium resent articl macmag mhz acceler slightli slower mhz accel thi system design for stand reason that system design for quadra figur line powerpc stuff suppos run system level fast quadra system will time speed powerpc base system and wait for lap pentium pro life pro women michael amer internet michael amer fidonet org
comp.sys.mac.hardware	instal simm quick send instruct for instal simm and vram jmk cwru edu and drop extra simm and vram that for and don repli repli jmk cwru edu joe
comp.sys.mac.hardware	upgrad memori articl apr ncar ucar edu bill lhots hao ucar edu bill robert wrote origin powerbook ram and find that drag work maximum ram for thi unit and cost hope can latest and info real user post thi group bill solder logic board and ram expans slot give you thing you can upgrad maximum ram remov expans and instal expans give you total max you can call techwork memori vendor macweek macworld etc peter haas internet haas meediv lanl gov network manag lo alamo nation laboratori
comp.sys.mac.hardware	comput engr comput scienc professor mine onc differ comput engin and comput scientist mean engin make main differ that peopl write program that peopl will us databas graphic word processor etc engin write for machin control system comput your car flight control system comput control devic etc word write softwar cse write firmwar gener for part that differ not joke scott for part thi bunch bunk comput engin degre spent last year write softwar that peopl us salari distinct incorrect receiv job offer graduat two job that us hardwar experi year lower advic decid class and project interest you and pick major that you emt
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri video problem suffer video artefact configur centri vram nec happen bit colour virtual memori scroll thi occur vram simm instal remov that not not problem mention condit gersham meharg sfu canada gersham meharg meharg sfu sfu vancouv canada
comp.sys.mac.hardware	high resolut adc for mac articl clark elvex acn nwu edu clark nwu edu brian clark wrote don instrutech board plan check you care check monoton and ratio bit board board term monoton ratio accuraci etc and and dyynam rang and freedom distort that you expect good true bit convert thi not true for spectral innov board for exampl boorishli repli found instrutech inform spec us term loos follow bit convert bit accuraci khz bit accuraci khz spec for monoton linear multiplex input share singl that input not sampl time and convers spec channel sampl rate us for two channel you unknown qualiti bit khz per channel thi poorer qualiti nation instrument sampl rate bit convert spec for monoton linear each output channel convert price for extern convert box itc nubu interfac board mac driver softwar and igor xop steep
comp.sys.mac.hardware	wrong ram duo post back mention that duo crash wrong kind refresh ram duo crash sometim sleep and wonder softwar will whether not kind ram instal had thought that problem batteri connect advanc archon fung
comp.sys.mac.hardware	can you share monitor cpu centri want ibm machin save space desk us monitor for switch box thi
comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri video problem push media mit edu pushpind singh subject centri video problem date sat apr gmt comput set for color and oper vertic scroll window horizont white line monitor gener not spare open window line accummul oper continu window move involv area screen and move line disappear that area screen thi problem not observ monitor configur for color inch appl monitor color us suspect bad video ram chip cannot problem appar sinc dai wors etc not had problem configur that elimin design flaw explan
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar articl zeu ieee org michael amer fidonet org michael amer write will powerpc pentium thi kind comparison pretti useless gener processor good good comput design adn comput us design purpos compar processor speed pretti dumb you increas clock speed increas speed thing mean can you faster give oper condit can you you run program that lot transident function know that not transident function build fpu and can you that faster hope peopl not decid wether comput good not sole processor fast processor base name can alwai thing processor speed restrict arguement for exampl pure processor architectur issu processor will work and anoth will not base design can discuss chung yang resent articl macmag mhz acceler slightli slower mhz accel thi system design for stand reason that system design for quadra figur line powerpc stuff suppos run system level fast quadra system will time speed powerpc base system and wait for lap pentium pro life pro women michael amer internet michael amer fidonet org
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar dhk ubbpc dave kitabjian write intel and motorola compet neck and neck for crunch power for clock speed rank not good idea compar processor power doesn make sens for real world applic not for total line processor you will fit into list pentium powerpc and clock speed doubl clock speed doubl processor speed and fill below mhz mhz for system doubl clock speed increas perform hear explan experienc folk folk troubl repli repli command type address hand and work dave kitabjian kit ahb jyin vital statist stuff delet ravikumar venkateswar rvenkat uiuc edu pun bless form whit
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar michael amer fidonet org michael amer write will powerpc pentium not quit mhz pentium specint specfp mhz specint specfp note that specint import for real world applic specint specfp resent articl macmag mhz acceler slightli slower mhz accel thi system design for stand reason that system design for quadra figur line powerpc stuff suppos run system level fast quadra system will time speed powerpc base system and wait for lap pentium intel chip tradition faster motorola equival signific chip speed real world applic perform that highli debat pro life pro women michael amer internet michael amer fidonet org ravikumar venkateswar rvenkat uiuc edu pun bless form whit
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar rai netcom rai fischer write dhk ubbpc dave kitabjian write intel and motorola compet neck and neck for crunch power for clock speed rank number kind benchmark you want start specint specfp you will fit into list pentium powerpc fastest pentium version powerpc vicin number pentium mhz specint specfp powerpc mhz specint specfp note thi alpha mhz specint specfp for comparison and clock speed doubl clock speed doubl processor speed and fill below mhz mhz comput speed partli depend processor clock speed memori system speed plai larg role video system speed and speed processor clock rate speed memori system becom greatest factor system speed you mhz processor can read anoth word memori you can put memori your comput will cost time slower simm not clock doubl system isn doubl perform quit signific increas perform for wait state perform you cach mean processor that run speed simm note that thi memori speed correspond clock speed mhz and roughli twice fast clock speed number rai fischer convict danger enemi truth rai netcom li friedrich nietzsch ravikumar venkateswar rvenkat uiuc edu pun bless form whit
comp.sys.mac.hardware	comput engr comput scienc articl tecot xenon stanford edu tecot xenon stanford edu edward tecot write professor mine onc differ comput engin and comput scientist mean engin make not joke scott for part thi bunch bunk comput engin degre spent last year write softwar that peopl us salari distinct incorrect receiv job offer graduat two job that us hardwar experi year lower advic decid class and project interest you and pick major that you emt worth advic grad student agre gentlemen wrote comment import thing pick interest you and learn year educ thi field compar alot peopl had thi kind question lot make decis into electr engin oppos comput engin school that thi kind question irrelev come that choos not hardwar choos hardwar not program injustic build and comput and make for interwoven and insepar and part great disciplin and depend each advic don limit make decis base major will give you opportun learn that depend curriculum your persect school choos major that explor besid don school make student choos major sophamor year hei you interest thi field that you decid learn make comput case you suffer and grad school monei don averag you good you earn monei you superstar programm you will earn million wise you hotshot comput design chung yang
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra memori instal faq thi turn into faq violat your quadra warranti and instal your memori insert usual disclaim remov top lid machin you will floppi disk and hard drive mount plastic tower follow usual anti static precaut and make machin you thi unplug wall and monitor power suppli cord back mac remov power suppli pull plastic interlock tab tower forward and simultan pull power suppli straight tab piec plastic left posterior aspect tower extend downward hook power suppli you feel horsesho shape piec portion power suppli leav that alon plastic tab tower you releas rear tower assembl you will flat ribbon scsi connector hard drive power cabl and flat ribbon cabl lead floppi drive disconnect motherboard hard drive power cabl connector tab squeez releas unplug drive activ led clear plastic mount posterior cylindr section plastic tower phillip head screw base remov take care not drop into case bit gummi glue your screwdriv help remov tower assembl pull medial plastic tab side tower thi tab prevent tower slide posteriorli slide entir tower assembl posteriorli lift tower assembl straight and case congratul you gain access your machin simm slot six big slot for vram instal six gain video mode simm ram vram instal chip face front motherboard smaller socket front for ram simm instal simm set into socket you seat simm squar and firmli into fulli upright posit reinstal tower assembl place wall tower wall case tower assembl posterior intend posit lower tower assembl into place maintain contact wall case onc fulli slide tower assembl anteriorli click into place reconnect motherboard end cabl dont forget floppi drive cabl replac phillip head screw drop power suppli straight into place click plug hard drive activ light back into clear plastic mount gui kuo guykuo washington edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	duo problem bcherka netcom brian cherka write chess cat ucsc edu brian vantuyl chess write duo and difficulti machin plug wall adapt put sleep unplug wall and woken crash time noth origin system softwar machin batteri plenti life thi power manag problem don speaker occasion make high pitch hiss nois irregular favor sleep and restart command had duo for week and suffer problem reinstal system softwar twice effort combat problem think system softwar problem initi reinstal system not anymor occasion wake duo solid screen horizont line screen freez high pitch hiss occasion startup call appl hotlin so appl time and final agre astrai duo screen dim and hard drive spun itselft and put sleep thi problem occur twice appl box ship duo look york problem intermitt and can afford duo thi time problem brian cherka bcherka netcom aol brianc compuserv netcom onlin commun servic san jose quit number peopl discuss had includ bought machin coupl week ago and start experi problem appl australia dealer that thi problem number potenti faulti applic faulti parti hardwar modem memori etc system softwar pram corrupt and power manag corrupt and duo hardwar relev case last two applic run system softwar instal addit hardwar found that clear pram appear for hold command option and startup problem return suggest that pram corrupt system softwar bug don issu init system appar power manag can reset hold reset and interrupt button power appl advic sinc duo not interrupt button not mean thi case thi can deciph appl advic for thi appl suggest that you follow technic procedur check hardwar thi duo sinc problem that system softwar bug introduc line and quit recent sinc recent duo purchas thi problem comment boat appl duo engin cheer brucet bruce tulloch sydnei australia brucet extro ucc complex problem straight forward easi understand wrong answer
comp.sys.mac.hardware	pixel disappear powerbook screen pixel displai disappear intermitt not place random suggest mail ari psssun pss msu edu bewar nnnnn nnnnn
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar npy new cso uiuc edu rvenkat cso uiuc edu ravikuma venkateswar write not quit mhz pentium specint specfp mhz specint specfp interest comparis fast clock cycl chip you can alpha slow mhz blaze mhz specint specfp will mhz version make compar intel chip tradition faster motorola equival signific chip speed real world applic perform that highli debat you that turn faster clock cycl power each cycl not mention that intel instruct stream byte orient longest intel instruct byte odd number make hard intellig memori subsystem cheer jon tte nada kth mac hacker delux thi articl print recycl electron
comp.sys.mac.hardware	attn and duo owner care you plug extern monitor and extern speaker make that power cord strip you don you chanc bad audio buzz thi caus ground loop and get rid thi loud buzz make that you common ground make that power cord strip outlet thi will assur you common ground tim keanini sound design timk broder broderbund softwar blast crl
comp.sys.mac.hardware	increas number serial port devic for mac will increas number serial port for us simultan connect serial devic mac for applic work access each independ such devic exist limit number serial devic can us inform appreci steven langloi slang bnr
comp.sys.mac.hardware	sound record for mac portabl hardwar requir and find for sound record mac portabl david hugh freenet carleton secretari nation capit freenet tkp
comp.sys.mac.hardware	asant hang scsi devic hook mac iisi rel year asant adapt base connect work charm instal newest driver asant ftp server problem begin attach devic scsi chain specif drive power drive mac mac test memori etc happi mac face show power light and boot process stop can us network extern drive not onc thi make asant box pretti unus doesn pure electr scsi problem turn drive second late that doesn notic initi scsi poll mac boot and adapt work even hard disk power and connect mac never onc fail boot intern drive and had for year chang scsi and disk permut chang order devic head tail chain overtermin extern termin devic intern undertermin remov intern resistor hard disk anoth box anoth ident drive scsi cabl thi importantli solut lot eric behr illinoi state univers mathemat depart behr math ilstu edu behr ilstu bitnet avoid
comp.sys.mac.hardware	increas number serial port slang bnr steven langloi write devic for mac will increas number serial port for us simultan connect serial devic mac for applic work access each independ appli engin make nubu card call quadralink board that contain serial port can us simultan not user instal coupl for peopl work technician hope thi help aaron swier control data corpor arden hill swier chao aqeng cdc electr engin student swier plain nodak edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	educ price grai market appl not authoris sale mail order result mail order compani obtain machin grei market thi market suppli machin authoris resel machin can sell come into thi state affair overord accident deliberatli wholsal price appl case obscur serial nunber protect ident result warranti void order mac mail order compani absolut problem you dig find true grai market dealer that sell mac authent serial number untouch ad dealer noth vat flame that legitim cda that replac serial number prevent appl trace author dealer sold that machin cda eric choi internet eric choi fidonet org
comp.sys.mac.hardware	simm bad mail order glimps side talk technician place recent bought mac gui told that stop ship simm custom and instal babi zap easili static electr claim hsk sie singen da alt entsagungsli da eiapopeia vom himmel womit man beruhigt wenn greint da volk den grossen luemmel ein neue li ein besser li freund will ich euch dichten wir wollen hier auf erden schon da himmelreich errichten hein
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar articl llp new cso uiuc edu rvenkat cso uiuc edu ravikuma venkateswar write stuff delet for wait state perform you cach mean processor that run speed simm note that thi memori speed correspond clock speed mhz stuff delet you calcul that figur assum even person comput board design us bank switch optimist quadrupl access speed miss hsk sie singen da alt entsagungsli da eiapopeia vom himmel womit man beruhigt wenn greint da volk den grossen luemmel ein neue li ein besser li freund will ich euch dichten wir wollen hier auf erden schon da himmelreich errichten hein
comp.sys.mac.hardware	mac suck bui test suck post real messag
comp.sys.mac.hardware	had problem ibm drive machin subject line system act weird time sudden system will corrupt boot block will chew etc thi big problem for couldn even format drive properli instal hdt driver and thing reinstal system incompat exist and quantum extern drive for pure hardwar solut not viru bad softwar etc bad scsi cabl ibm wd screwei drive chuck chuck william intern pacif northwest laboratori cleveland freenet edu william ccmail pnl gov
comp.sys.mac.hardware	compar skok itwd energietechnik uni stuttgart holger skok write articl llp new cso uiuc edu rvenkat cso uiuc edu ravikuma venkateswar write stuff delet for wait state perform you cach mean processor that run speed simm note that thi memori speed correspond clock speed mhz stuff delet you calcul that figur assum even person comput board design us bank switch optimist quadrupl access speed miss previou articl refer fact that you us simm mhz machin that you us simm slower machin point that you us simm mhz machin you can us simm faster mhz machin bank switch and cach not consid exampl memori access hsk ravikumar venkateswar rvenkat uiuc edu pun bless form whit
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl give confus messag articl ngii bgx new ci umn edu bunt student umn edu monthian buntan write appl ambigu messag for fpu mac price list messag fpu option discuss thi newsgroup that fpu built configur unclear thi issu price list plan bui pretti get confus whether come fpu not option built understand thi game regard thian you centri configur you get mac processor that built math coprocessor support understand that option fpu refer your option purchas centri fpu configur fpu appl not offer upgrad fpu system becom fpu system and unclear whether processor fpu system can replac suppli anoth vendor appl send memo point sate that centri come fpu processor cannot upgrad support fpu pin configur two chip appar not match you cannot swap for anoth appl memo hope that help kevin lohman univers book store univers washington buyer for appl comput for educ program
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl give confus messag ngii bgx new ci umn edu bunt student umn edu monthian buntan write appl ambigu messag for fpu mac price list messag fpu option discuss thi newsgroup that fpu built configur unclear thi issu price list perhap reason simpl market peopl put togeth brochur and price list weren clear fpu issu afteral appl literatur not correct funni notic recent that brochur mac capabl refer auto inkjet featur thi read auto inject featur correct brochur appl sinc correct older brochur can guess that edit copi inject and thought typo and chang familiar word inkjet hmmm that printer built into player write inform
comp.sys.mac.hardware	video displai mac monitor displai vertic line us mean that displai memori wrong monitor bad video card bad check monitor work fine mac check video card fine replac ram didn give answer assum wrong part motherboard don hardwar architectur macintosh can problem mac iicx advanc kuan netcom netcom name kuan yihpyng born taichung taiwan work phone compani failur analysi associ inc commonwealth drive box menlo park philosophi will
comp.sys.mac.hardware	stereo sound problem mac game problem stereo sound output quadra not total roomat problem powerbook info experi anyopn greatli appreci hook quadra home stereo system type sound mono can plai fine speaker system beep provid such indigo and record armor allei spectr spaceward game plai left channel lem thi world awesom game btw glider oid stereo system beep plai stereo speaker specif referr apocolypt begin roommat download ftp site sumex symptom rommat can run ootw doesn color run system lem game mention sound speaker mac class quadra powerbook greater centri etc stereo machin us mac and sort rememeb lem plai stereo that machin not left channel mistaken problem quad and wonder system beep plai stereo isn problem machin game apparantli written support channel stereo us mono sound mono sound come speaker spectr etc quadra and powerbook rom knowledg thi rom problem wouldn system patch thi problem for you can provid doug book dpb sdchemw ucsd edu
comp.sys.mac.hardware	screen death mac mac and mac problem screen blank sometim minor physic jolt such insert floppi intern drive sometim comput left blank replac wire connect logic board and video board that jiggl wire made screen come back thi work for blank return can power suppli crt comput had problem long time ago resold joint motherboard fix turn that continu heat and cool caus annular ring shape crack develop solder effect cut video circuitri you not solder jockei you want mine electr engin buddi minut job top kellei thoma kellei boylan powerpc ibm austin kelleyb austin ibm bui and pai for opinion
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	duo slowdown problem system and network admin user duo specif below that slowdown problem leav duo for hour slow unaccept can second chang applic thi time complet hung reboot problem for system get into wedg configur instal system and rebuilt desktop help that network relat eudora check email minut ethernet hasn check thi problem occur undock dock time appl init don want start yank rest that problem hasn zap pram advis that idea love hear call appl found call week sundai even powerbook duo ram card tech work replac refresh card system enabl express modem includ latest softwar appl dealer for keyboard replac helen trillian rose hrose kei hrose eff org kapor enterpris inc email eff eff org for eff info electron frontier foundat flame system and network administr women not mess eff org
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	rom bought select and rush home print grayscal pictur for kid discov that grayscal and photograd not you even you run cpu you won thi printer doc and appl rep didn mention user group that rom won support featur guess that thi case buyer bewar huh appl that think problem and puzzl can defencieni rom made for softwar write softwar for live unix platform and don understand can respons ask isn mode somesuch piec soft ware such fix hope knowledg mac intern set straight simpli imposs for mac print grayscal arm info and pro gram experi cook that supplement rom capabl mac can support grayscal and photograd that select supposedli capabl short bui printer and for your bill wright wgw netcom
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl give confus messag articl ferch swiss uc ubc le ferch ferch uc ubc write afteral appl literatur not correct funni notic recent that brochur mac capabl refer auto inkjet featur thi read auto inject featur correct brochur appl sinc correct older brochur can guess that edit copi inject and thought typo and chang familiar word inkjet hmmm that printer built into player write inform you cool imag top serfac gotta top surfac artwork
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	rom articl wgwc pdl netcom wgw netcom william wright write hope knowledg mac intern set straight simpli imposs for mac print grayscal arm info and pro gram experi cook that supplement rom capabl mac can support grayscal and photograd that select supposedli capabl short bui printer and for your bill wright wgw netcom us grayscal featur you mac equip colour quickdraw told thi not mention appl fact guid for appl seller press releas technic spec sean
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	pd nubu iii nubu capabl articl apr fnalf fnal gov higgin fnalf fnal gov bill higgin beam jockei write articl kzl kkb dartvax dartmouth edu hade coo dartmouth edu brian hugh write mmiller garnet msen marvin miller write friend recent purchas iii and such demon call nubu adapt for pd slot famili mac can us pd card not us nubu can technic hip macsling differ pd and nubu imposs make gadget that plug into pd and end nubu card cage marvin friend not locat and fundament reason for thi zap bill higgin fermi nation acceler laboratori bitnet higgin fnal bitnet internet higgin fnal fnal gov span hepnet higgin second wave make nubu card cage that work pd slot mac iisi and centri not knowledg announc such devic for lcii make technolog pd card that cage simpli nubu control circuitri present nubu mac care thi dgr pd adapt for lcii will for lciii pd nubu for peopl applic grant nubu card applic that requir nubu card full motion video captur shouldn lcii lciii mark
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	serial port problem articl qcq ginn calvin usc edu wl calvin usc edu write friend ask build cabl connect fetal heart monitor maciontosh problem sez want demo won work us run zterm and kermit intern and extern modem don powerbook per send respond test serial port work not thought that connect earth ground and connect chassi audio ground connector thought batteri power devic powerbook sometim sensit serial port weird had troubl connect mac handheld work that port not run two penlit batteri turn that accid design flaw put volt bia serial port that weird thing work fine connect printer port your screen dim connect devic you printer port good luck jami jami cox jcox ess harri phone work harri space system corp home rock barn blvd macintosh meet and drink societi rockledg florida usa speak for
comp.sys.mac.hardware	powerpc rumin lciii powerpc articl apr dal seanmcd dal write articl pyramid pyramid andrem pyrtech mi pyramid andr molyneux write articl qksuq hal gnu mit edu mirski hal gnu mit edu david joshua mirski write lciii and recent heard interest rumor heard that lciii built slot for powerpc chip thi true heard that slot not pd slot that true david mirski mirski gnu mit edu iii pop top reveal socket for addit vram simm socket for pin ram simm socket for flat pack fpu processor direct slot pd ident addit set connet side for full bit data path that lack that guess board powerpc chip made that fit pd that place will nubu pd powerpc upgrad will requir logic board swap interest for appl come nubu powerpc that allow us cpu rocketshar guess that get bit fantast wonder sinc macweek report that develop seed powerpc nubu card word machin arriv estim speed last heard estim time speed quadra nativ risc mode heard appl employe mumbl arriv powerpc machin earlier date that doubt true final powerpc develop mini advertis develop univers calendar and interest sean seanmcd dal radiu specul publicli that provid powerpc base rocket for exist mac rocketshar and minu nubu acceler true boot acceler nubu bottleneck video and appl will not compet parti perhap for not mac cyclon powerpc slot advertis for daystar and such make powerpc acceler potenti problem acceler that will rom companion and appl licens radiu rocketshar us proprietari code appl line that powerpc mac will simplifi logic board due magic natur risc and that board cheaper build exist mac perhap groundbreak price mac logic board upgrad cheaper high perform cpu thi year gener powerpc will hopefulli socket cpu that chip upgrad year thi that can pull for clock doubler technic baggag doubt sinc extern buss size width thi perhap can cpu daughterboard powerbook standard facilit cpu upgrad thi area appl fallen behe intel base world perhap catchup order last week week had excel stori powerpc pentium mip dec alpha big microprocessor front for forseeabl futur worth read for technojunki latest cover stori pentium read and stori intel unstopp and preemin onc thi secur due fall intel market posit will never domin todai amd get ahead sell thi week appear competit front gear for awesom battl appl user excit that powerpc not guarante domin guarante winner even mark
comp.sys.mac.hardware	network peter easier you want you work mac network togeth appletalk and phonenet connector chat us program call broadcast can send messag select machin network hope that help steed
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	syquest mac qsk usenet in cwru edu rc cwru edu robert sprecher write creativ cabl splice hook syquest remov drive mac differ gut drive cabl differ differ drive ibm and mac two main differ format disk correct softwar each can read and cabl depend your scsi board ibm you mac softawr mount ibm format disk and correct cabl you mount and read your ibm syquest good luck paul paul hardwick technic consult internet hardwick panix box for mv esa voic and parti addon fax pend paul hardwick technic consult internet hardwick panix box for mv esa voic and parti addon fax pend
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	ghost appl color user insan dear netter sister appl color displai hook problem annoi horizont ghost stripe that precess vertic onc per second high grave danger insan idea and cure for joe bett bett netcom pick displai thought rfi wors
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra scsi problem info thi exabyt tapedr never work quadra sinc septemb replac cabl init don industri expert phone tapedr dealer appl dealer softwar dealer fault don last thing that need special quadra scsi termin katinka van der linden katinka fenk wau
comp.sys.mac.hardware	appl give confus messag ferch uc ubc le ferch write ngii bgx new ci umn edu bunt student umn edu monthian buntan write appl ambigu messag for fpu mac price list messag fpu option discuss thi newsgroup that fpu built configur unclear thi issu price list perhap reason simpl market peopl put togeth brochur and price list weren clear fpu issu perhap market peopl don fpu terri
comp.sys.mac.hardware	chang port buffer size zterm kind soul told that chang serial port buffer size zterm resedit not chang resedit and lost mail address assum that relev resourc zset not and templat for that resourc you tmpl for correct resourc grate receiv that plai bit and duo serial port appletalk btw that port stat that maximum buffer byte that that mean increas buffer will you hardwar handshak can cram text data pretti fast into duo and can monitor that ct lower buffer never get byte make sens scott petrack petrack haifasc vnet ibm
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	serial line connect duo and almost sun null modem connect mac duo and us mackermit and versaterm mac side us procomm kermit and softerm side us hardwar handshak and hardwar ahdshak cabl and hand shake effort noth allow file transfer mac gener can type back and troubl side set speed baud cannot send file mac and file transfer duo not straight ascii send can send duo flawlessli can send binhex file thi quit fast and that transmiss error free straight ascii mac full error text pace slow that human type time faster human type hear transfer file duo modem null modem you can your exact combin hardwar and softwar talk true serial port modem not express modem kind soul access modem and duo can check thi for opinion that won work high speed power interrupt duo and won work low speed crazi reason don understand hear attest that can pump inform serial port duo fast modem sy dump duo absolut insan wanna problem duo duo duo check cabl time and not can type back and zterm alert user hardwar handshak and ct that hardwar handshak work and zterm port stat buffer never overflow figur scott petrack petrack haifasc vnet ibm
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra scsi problem articl new udel edu johnston udel edu bill johnston write articl apr mintaka lc mit edu nodin lc mit edu mark nodin write don specif problem mention your messag had scsi problem and vener jasmin megadr cartridg drive solut silverlin loop that involv blind write work drive fact loop that work macintosh softwar loop that mean doubt thi quadra specif problem had rid vener bernoulli last year cartridg purchas each make thing worth comput tech support gui ocean microsystem suggest that parti driver fix problem case cartridg wouldn format mount partit for that megadr work perfectli mac and powerbook for thi reason assum problem had quadra even quadra work problem occur eject cartridg drive start pop dialog box thi cartridg format jasmin drivewar even cartridg drive mark
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	photo shop scanner articl lgii euj ncube root ncube oper write root ncube oper subject photo shop scanner date fri apr gmt macc iici and color scanner scan pictur dpi print color printer minut make nois mac hang reboot thi mean bui memori disk free and scan pictur captain zod zod ncube you print data file tiff anoth applic such freehand pagemak found that photoshop occasion problem print file that can print applic greg gcohen mailer fsu edu infinit illus juggl suppli bewar fnord will torch call write for eat you catalog
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	iicx won turn articl rpi edu pilon aix ec rpi edu pilon wrote iicx not turn hit keyboard switch back machin doesn work can turn unplug machin for minut plug back and hit power switch back immedi sometim thi doesn even work for long time thi problem like that user experienc adventur usenet reader can rememb gui name post deserv credit for save easili fix problem can figur due time heat and repeat warmup cool down power suppli bad solder joint power suppli circuit card desold tool radio shack low wattag iron and good nonacid solder and resold lower left quadrant circuit card plug face you for you minut and save for suppli
comp.sys.mac.hardware	question centri ram peter tesla mitr org peter engel write time post dale adam appl comput and requir simm not centri requir simm you correct that quadra not centri hade
comp.sys.mac.hardware	chang port buffer size zterm almaden ibm petrack vnet ibm write kind soul told that chang serial port buffer size zterm resedit not chang resedit and lost mail address assum that relev resourc zset not and chop you post net and kev kevin hay opinion necessarili dalhousi univers reflect opinion halifax nova scotia canada sue hay dal
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	increas number serial port articl apr bmer bnr slang bnr steven langloi wrote devic for mac will increas number serial port for us simultan connect serial devic mac for applic work access each independ such devic exist limit number serial devic can us inform appreci steven langloi slang bnr quadralink possibl problemat solut your us for last year person system fatal bug crept into recent bug show heavi serial traffic complet crash system macsbug can not reboot time hit restart button told januari that awar and work fix bug describ sinc not answer fax ask for statu bug fix great for mine sidelin you baud you infrequ problem sven
comp.sys.mac.hardware	quadra vram question daniel salber salber imag write question quadra vram find info thi not precis answer hand quadra monitor capabl bit color vram displai million color monitor you vram hand quadra monitor capabl bit color vram correct thi amount board vram that come vram simm for and put that machin bit color capabl and vram simm thi technic you vram simm leav two will not you cannot vram and document quadra vram bit color that correct thi correct you put vram simm into vram simm slot motherboard bonu question vram simm hide document power suppli power suppli access vram simm yup you power suppli coupl screw you make that disconnect and watch for static discharg
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comp.sys.mac.hardware	centri video problem articl qqf usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu david kantrowitz write push media mit edu pushpind singh subject centri video problem date sat apr gmt comput set for color and oper vertic scroll window horizont white line monitor gener not spare open window line accummul oper continu window move involv area screen and move line disappear that area screen thi problem not observ monitor configur for color inch appl monitor color us suspect bad video ram chip cannot problem appar sinc dai wors etc not had problem configur that elimin design flaw explan data point centri appl monitor and not problem dch
comp.sys.mac.hardware	simm configur rc cwru edu robert sprecher write can understand current situat simm can give shot iisi will for anoth year add memori that will faster simm simm pin pin you pin simm simm todai usabl year newer power system you mean newer power mac system answer appl state that mac will us pin simm and longer us pin simm hade
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file applic initi load app default file path defin xfilesearchpath and anoth path defin xuserfilesearchpath set xfilesearchpath softwar instal your system such that app default file directori hierarchi suppos for exampl that you run sun open window and you applic instal usr lib app default you set thi for xfilesearchpath and app default file usr lib and usr openwin lib wherev your openwinhom locat setenv xfilesearchpath usr lib openwinhom lib thi environ variabl colon separ list pathnam pathnam replac charact follow xtresolvepathnam filenam paramet applic class name file type thi case liter string app default custom resourc suffix for app default languag local and codeset euc languag part territori part displai languag string codeset part displai languag string apart exampl suppos applic class name myterm suppos open window instal usr openwin notic exampl omit local specif lookup usr lib mean usr lib app default myterm openwinhom lib mean usr openwin lib app default myterm applic initi 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root root root root root root xapplresdir user home directori xapplresdir not set you set xuserfilesearchpath default ignor xapplresdir altogeth notic that quick and dirti make your applic find your app default file your current work directori set xapplresdir singl dot thi machineri work differ for compatibilti peopl set xapplresdir dot slash order callback execut courtesi donna convers convers expo lc mit edu intrins librari not guarante order thi widget writer and applic writer abil modifi entir content callback list and intrins cannot guarante order execut applic programm cannot reli widget writer widget writer not requir document widget will add and remov callback list effect thi will function contain callback independ function contain callback list even standard definit xtaddcallback callback name specifi callback list procedur append you not infer word append that callback routin call order ad callback list widget visibl courtesi donna convers convers expo lc mit edu build widget 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ftp host ftp net user anonym pass yournam yourhost dir pub ioccc last resort previou winner obtain send email address us subject send year winner year singl digit year year rang xchongo landon curt noll chongo toad xlarri bassel lab sun shar eof chmod guidelin echo restor guidelin fail set guidelin test echo origin size current size echo end part continu part exit sunnyval resid vote landon noll for sunnyval citi council seat
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express impli warranti includ limit impli warranti merchant and fit for purpos warn thi program attempt implement ioccc rule attempt made make that thi program produc entri that conform contest rule case thi program differ contest rule contest rule will us check contest rule submit entri for inform you contact judg send email address appl pyramid sun uunet hoptoad judg not address for judg toad submit entri question and comment contest rule and guidelin and chang year year you you current rule and guidelin prior submit entri obtain send email address and us subject send rule obtain winner previou contest date ftp host ftp net user anonym pass yournam yourhost dir pub ioccc last resort previou winner obtain send email address us subject send year winner year singl digit year year rang contest rule chang year year us thi program for year that intend that rule year defin below match thi current year includ stdio includ ctype includ time includ sy type includ sy stat logic ifndef true defin true endif true ifndef fals defin fals endif fals defin eof true defin eof not fals global limit defin rule year note match current year defin start date mar utc confirm receiv defin max col max column line hit defin max build size max build size defin max program size max program sourc size defin max program size max program sourc size not count whitespac and not whitespac eof defin max titl len max char titl defin max entri len max length entri input line defin max entri max number entri per person per year defin max file len max filenam length for info file send entri defin entri addr appl pyramid sun uunet hoptoad obfusc defin entri addr obfusc toad uuencod process assum ascii defin uuencod encod str int xff defin uuencod len max uuencod chunk size defin uuinfo mode mode info file uuencod file defin uubuild mode mode build file uuencod file defin uubuild name build name for build file uuencod file defin uuprog mode mode program uuencod file defin uuprog name prog name for program uuencod file encod str char val uuencod charact val xchar encod str abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz global declar xchar program name xlong start time startup time forward declar xvoid pars arg xvoid usag xfile open remark xfile open build xfile open program xfile open output xvoid output entri xvoid output remark xvoid output author xvoid output info xvoid output build xvoid output program xvoid output end xint line xvoid output till dot xint col len xvoid check xvoid uuencod xmain argc argv int argc arg count char argv arg file remark null open remark stream file build null open build file stream file prog null open program stream file output null open output stream char rname null file remark entri char bname null file contain prog built char pname null obfusc program sourc file char onam null ioccc entri output file struct startup time structur check year start time time long gmtime start time year rule year fprintf stderr warn thi program appli differ argv rule year year pars command line arg pars arg argc argv rname bname pname onam open check input and output file open and truncat output file case input file output open output onam remark open remark rname build open build bname prog open program pname output null remark null build null prog null exit output each section output entri output onam output remark output onam remark rname output author output onam output info output onam output build output onam build bname output program output onam prog pname output end output onam flush output fflush output eof fprintf stderr flush error program onam perror exit final word printf nyour entri can found you check thi file onam printf correct problem and verifi that uudecod util will printf correctli decod your build file and program printf thi program provid guid for submitt printf case conflict rule rule appli printf your respons ensur that your entri conform printf current rule printf email your entri printf entri addr printf entri addr printf us subject you email your entri printf tioccc entri exit pars arg pars command line arg command line arg thi function pars and set requir name flag thi function will return command line syntax correct xvoid xpars arg argc argv rname bname pname onam int argc arg count char argv arg char rname file remark entri char bname file contain prog built char pname obfusc program sourc file char onam ioccc entri output file char optarg flag option operand int flagnam name flag int not getopt pars arg hand program argv for argc determin flagnam argv usag notreach flagnam int argv determin flag operand flagnam argv optarg argv argc usag notreach optarg argv save flag operand correct global variabl switch flagnam case rname optarg break case bname optarg break case pname optarg break case onam optarg break default usag notreach verifi that requir flag rname null bname null pname null onam null usag notreach return usag print usag messag and exit thi function not return xvoid xusag exitv int exitv exit thi fprintf stderr usag remark build prog ioccc entri program fprintf stderr remark tfile remark entri fprintf stderr build tfile contain prog built fprintf stderr prog tthe obfusc program sourc file fprintf stderr ioccc entri tioccc entri output file exit exitv open remark open check remark file remark file indent space and not extend column max col not requir warn thi function return null format error xfile xopen remark filenam char filenam file stream open file stream char buf bufsiz input buffer int toolong number line that long int indent number line not indent space open remark input file stream fopen filenam stream null fprintf stderr cannot open remark file program filenam perror return null each line fget buf bufsiz stream null count line that not start space buf strncmp buf indent count long line col len buf max col found line that long toolong watch for error check stream filenam eof note long line need toolong fprintf stderr warn line extend column program toolong filenam fprintf stderr thi nice avoid program note indent line need indent fprintf stderr warn line not indent space program indent filenam fprintf stderr thi nice avoid program return open file rewind stream return stream open build open check build file build file not longer max build size byte thi function return null size error xfile xopen build filenam char filenam file stream open file stream struct stat statbuf statu open file open build input file stream fopen filenam stream null fprintf stderr cannot open build file program filenam perror return null determin size file fstat fileno stream statbuf fprintf stderr cannot stat build file program filenam perror return null statbuf size max build size fprintf stderr fatal build file byte long program filenam statbuf size fprintf stderr not longer byte program max build size return null return open file return stream open program open check program sourc file program sourc file byte number whitespac and char not whitespac byte thi function return null size error xfile xopen program filenam char filenam file stream open file stream struct stat statbuf statu open file int count special count size int charact read open program sourc input file stream fopen filenam stream null fprintf stderr cannot open program sourc file program filenam perror exit determin size file fstat fileno stream statbuf fprintf stderr cannot stat program sourc file program filenam perror return null statbuf size max program size fprintf stderr fatal program sourc file byte long program filenam statbuf size fprintf stderr not longer byte program max program size return null count whitespac whitespac char count fgetc stream eof whitespac isascii isspac switch case count not eof whitespac case case peek char fgetc stream eof isascii isspac not whitespac eof count ungetc stream count break default count break watch for error check stream filenam eof special size count max program size fprintf stderr fatal number byte that whitespac and program fprintf stderr that not whitespac program fprintf stderr eof byte program max program size fprintf stderr byte found program filenam count return null return open file rewind stream return stream open output open check entri output file thi function return null open error xfile xopen output filenam char filenam file stream open file stream open ioccc entri output file stream fopen filenam stream null fprintf stderr cannot open ioccc entri file for output program filenam perror exit return open file return stream output entri output entri section read need inform form stdin and write entri section xvoid xoutput entri output onam file output entri output file stream char onam name output file char titl max titl len entri titl char buf max col buffer int entri entri number int ret field process fscanf int line line not char skip input skip file date pipe pipe date command time epoch sec second sinc epoch char write start section fprintf output entri check output onam eof not write rule year fprintf output rule rule year check output onam eof not determin thi fix printf thi fix updat resubmitt printf previou entri enter line buf buf buf printf npleas answer buf fprintf output fix check output onam eof not printf nbe that titl and entri number that you give printf entri you replac fprintf output fix check output onam eof not write titl printf nyour titl match express charact printf charact max titl len printf suggest not requir that titl printf incorpor your usernam printf case multipl author part usernam printf author printf enter your titl prompt and read line line line titl max titl len max col printf ntitl long enter continu verifi pattern not regexp hand isascii int titl isalnum int titl titl titl printf ninvalid charact titl printf enter your titl line for titl isascii int isalnum int printf ninvalid charact titl printf enter your titl line line fprintf output titl titl check output onam eof not 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file char buf bufsiz input output buffer write start section fprintf output remark check output onam eof not copi remark file section fget buf bufsiz remark null fput buf output check output onam eof not check remark rname eof that remark section end newlin buf strlen buf fputc output check output onam eof not output author output author section read need inform stdin and write author section multipl author exist multipl author section will written xvoid xoutput author output onam file output entri output file stream char onam name output file char buf max col buffer int auth true author note int auth cnt number author process prompt user for author section printf nenter inform each author your entri printf and contest deadlin judg start date printf will attempt email back confirm author place author inform for each author individu section write start section fprintf output author check output onam eof not write author printf nauthor name auth cnt line buf max col max col printf nname long enter fprintf output name buf check output onam eof not write organ printf nenter school compani organ author auth cnt printf nauthor org auth cnt line buf max col max col printf nline long enter fprintf output org buf check output onam eof not write address printf nenter postal address for author includ auth cnt printf your countri and not includ your name output till dot output onam addr write email address printf nenter email address for author us address auth cnt printf regist domain site you give printf form list per line output till dot output onam email write anonym statu printf nshould author remain anonym enter auth cnt line buf buf buf printf npleas answer fprintf output anon buf check output onam eof not determin anoth author printf ni anoth author enter line buf buf buf printf npleas answer buf auth true auth fals auth true return output info output info section read need inform stdin and write info section multipl info file exist multipl info section will written xvoid xoutput info output onam file output entri output file stream char onam name output file char infonam max file len filenam buffer char yorn answer char uunam name uuencod file infil info file stream prompt user for info inform printf ninfo file us supplement your entri printf for exampl info file provid sampl input detail printf inform your entri supplement printf entri not requir exist anoth info file save uuencod printf you info file includ enter line yorn yorn yorn printf npleas answer yorn read filenam printf nenter info filenam line infonam max file len printf ninfo filenam long enter comput basenam info filenam remov trail newlin uunam infonam strlen infonam uunam avoid rindex shrrchr compat issu hand for uunam uunam infonam uunam uunam uunam break attempt open info file infil fopen infonam infil null fprintf stderr cannot open info file program infonam perror continu write start section fprintf output info check output onam eof not uuencod info file uuencod output onam infil infonam uuinfo mode uunam printf ndo you anoth info file includ enter line yorn yorn yorn printf npleas answer return output build output build section read need inform stdin and write build section xvoid xoutput build output onam build bname file output entri output file stream char onam name output file file build open build file stream char bname name build file write start section fprintf output build check output onam eof not uuencod program file uuencod output onam build bname uubuild mode uubuild name return output program output program section read need inform form stdin and write program section xvoid xoutput program output onam prog pname file output entri output file stream char onam name output file file prog open program stream char pname name program file write start section fprintf output program check output onam eof not uuencod program file uuencod output onam prog pname uuprog mode uuprog name return output end output end section read need inform form stdin and write end section xvoid xoutput end output onam file output entri output file stream char onam name output file write final section termin fprintf output end check output onam eof not return line answer stdin thi function will flush stdout case prompt pend and read answer thi function return line long length line includ newlin line thi function not return error eof xint xget line buf siz maxcol char buf input buffer int siz length input includ newlin int maxcol max col allow disabl check int length length input line flush termin output fflush stdout read line fget buf siz stdin null report problem check stdin stdin eof not for newlin length strlen buf buf length int eatchar char eaten newlin found line long eat rest line eatchar fgetc stdin eatchar eof eatchar check stdin stdin eof not report situat return watch for long line need maxcol length maxcol col len buf maxcol report situat return return length return length output till dot output set line read thi routin will read set line not includ singl line read format output leader tfirst line tnext line tnext line thi routin will not return error eof xvoid xoutput till dot output onam leader file output entri output file stream char onam name output file char leader lead text for line char buf bufsiz input buffer int count line read int fals true finish read input instruct user input printf nto end input enter line singl period read line eof count issu prompt printf count leader fflush stdout line line buf bufsiz max col printf nline long enter continu note read strcmp buf true write line read fprintf output count leader buf check output onam eof not line read output count fprintf output leader check output onam eof not return col len determin highest that string reach string thi routin return that string reach string print column tab stop assum start xint xcol len string char string string examin int col current column char current char scan string for col string note column shift col col col col return highest column return col check check for eof error stream not return eof error xvoid xcheck stream name eof file stream stream check char name name thi stream int eof eof eof not test for error ferror stream fprintf stderr error program name perror exit test for eof eof eof not feof stream fprintf stderr eof program name exit return uuencod uuencod file perform uuencod process ident process perform uuencod util thi routin implement algorithm describ uuencod bsd reno man page xvoid xuuencod output onam infil inam umod unam file output output file stream char onam output filenam file infil input file stream char inam input filenam int umod mode put uuencod file char unam name put uuencod file char buf uuencod len uuencod buffer int read len actual number char read int val bit chunk buf char filler filler uuencod pad text char output initi uuencod header fprintf output begin umod unam check output onam eof not clear input buffer for buf buf sizeof buf sizeof buf will process uuencod len char time form singl output line each time read len fread buf sizeof buf uuencod len infil charact length charact fputc uuencod read len output check output onam eof not will convert bit time will convert set bit into set uuencod bit for buf read len read len bit val fputc uuencod val output check output onam eof not bit val fputc uuencod val output check output onam eof not bit val fputc uuencod val output check output onam eof not bit val fputc uuencod val output check output onam eof not end uuencod len line fputc output check output onam eof not clear input buffer don depend bzero memset for buf buf sizeof buf sizeof buf check last read input file check infil inam eof write end uuencod file fprintf output nend uuencod filler check output onam eof not shar eof chmod mkentri echo restor mkentri fail set mkentri test echo origin size current size obfusc info echo extract obfusc info text sed shar eof obfusc info obfusc contest inform xcopyright landon curt noll larri bassel xall right 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comp.windows.x	xwd gif convers sourc code can creat window dump gif format convert xwd window dump file into gif format can manipul do pcx bmp etc shane cleveland freenet edu rutger devon gizmon csthoma god bless pagan simpson
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comp.windows.x	xwindow opaqu for parent window paint area child not implement rubberband across multipl xwindow select object that displai each window hauk
comp.windows.x	memori xserver actual size question due featur pex drag drop applic link for exampl motif motif memori xserver termin limit memori swap question possibl determin protocol call size free memori xserver can determin for exampl whether start pex applic css client side server side memori repli mail summar sincerli matthia matthia pfuetzner work home darmstadt frg zgdv wilhelminenstrass lichtenbergstrass pfuetzner igd fhg pfuetzner zgdvda keith packard that chang releas number
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comp.windows.x	chang olwm icon wonder chang window icon olwm for thing xterm default pretti lame answer can find appreci matt clark
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comp.windows.x	xrdb xdefault unchang resourc problem brian wilson wscrawl wonder interact conferenc program run openwindow sparc default xdefault file wscrawl telepointernam kevin wscrawl syncscrollbar true wscrawl continuoustelepoint true wscrawl showpointercoordin fals wscrawl background lightblu wscrawl swindow foreground yellow wscrawl draw area frame foreground blue wscrawl keyboardfocuspolici pointer natur exit server and restart ad line xdefault run cmdtool pwd home dir xrdb xdefault and start wscrawl default us properli wonder that can oper manual invok afor mention xrdb command xrdb xdefault default won chang xrdb call xinitrc file xrdb home xdefault xrdb home xdefault ad xrdb home kbw xdefault begin end openwin init file notion for kevin weinrich comput scienc corp kbw helio ath epa gov
comp.windows.x	kei definit emac us emac and want custom keyboard set stuff emac keymap and defin kei can access kei termin keyboard can home end pgup pgdn keycod feel thi can fix emac that xmodmap stuff can check faq and post similar messag gnu emac respons emac file insid cond string match xterm getenv term don thi defvar xterm map make spars keymap keymap for xterm special kei defin kei esc map xterm prefix fset xterm prefix xterm map kei defin kei xterm map goto line defin kei xterm map line defin kei xterm map rmail defin kei xterm map replac string defin kei xterm map end line defin kei xterm map kill line defin kei xterm map yank defin kei xterm map begin line defin kei xterm map end line defin kei xterm map scroll defin kei xterm map scroll kei etc can kei defin kei xterm map set mark command andrew jaff ajaff oddjob uchicago edu dep astronomi and astrophys chicago elli av chicago fax
comp.windows.x	properti problem articl wsmart tai mc dunde bill smart write number back client appatom xinternatom displai applicationwindow true xgetwindowproperti displai defaultrootwindow displai appatom fals window return type return format nitem return bar return place and appear back valid not number return number window number store properti return place incorrect pointer not integ xgetwindowproperti alloc memori copi data and return pointer memori you free memori you ken lee klee synopt
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comp.windows.x	problem libxmu suno and gcc patch suno patch post export option appli patch olit libxmu compil fine us client bmtoa and twm error can not figur wrong gcc fpcc struct return twm gram lex deftwmrc add window list twm pars menu event resiz util version iconmgr cursor icon usr wgep so lib run path run path lib xmu lxmu lib extens lib lib extens lib lxext extens lib lxext lib usr wgep so lib lsocket lnsl warn file extens lib libxext attempt multipl inclus file libxext undefin referenc symbol file xtappsetwarningmsghandl lib xmu libxmu xtscreendatabas lib xmu libxmu xtdisplaystringconversionwarn lib xmu libxmu xterrormsg lib xmu libxmu xtrealloc lib xmu libxmu xtismanag lib xmu libxmu xtmalloc lib xmu libxmu xtgetapplicationresourc lib xmu libxmu xtownselect lib xmu libxmu xtgetconstraintresourcelist lib xmu libxmu xtcalloc lib xmu libxmu xtname lib xmu libxmu xtstringconversionwarn lib xmu libxmu xtappsettypeconvert lib xmu libxmu xtdisplaytoapplicationcontext lib xmu libxmu xtgetresourcelist lib xmu libxmu xtfree lib xmu libxmu xtdestroywidget lib xmu libxmu xtgetvalu lib xmu libxmu xtwarningmsg lib xmu libxmu xttranslatecoord lib xmu libxmu xtcvtstringtofont lib xmu libxmu xtwidgettoapplicationcontext lib xmu libxmu xtwarn lib xmu libxmu xtcreatewidget lib xmu libxmu xtwindowofobject lib xmu libxmu xtvasetvalu lib xmu libxmu xtappwarningmsg lib xmu libxmu xtgetselectionvalu lib xmu libxmu xtresolvepathnam lib xmu libxmu fatal symbol referenc error output written twm error code dougla acker western geophys explor product divis western atla intern inc litton dresser compani internet acker waii voic
comp.windows.x	event propag problem bug and creat two window child root event mask buttonpressmask keypressmask child not propag mask buttonpressmask keypressmask keypress event discard buttonpress event fall subwindow set fyi xnew olvwm fundament wrong
comp.windows.x	motif athena etc articl apr nrao edu rgooch csiro richard gooch write involv peopl linux stai cut bleed edg kernel patch librari compil patch come peopl rebuild entir system prime requir for linux softwar that gnu style public licens linux softwar athena widget xview individu write softwar requir motif doubt wide adopt shameless plug xaw widget make athena nicer altern stock mit athena code mike michael connor internet mjo fmsrl srl ford ford motor compani opeo fmsrl opeo mjo rotunda bldg phone dearborn fax
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comp.windows.x	imag process packag for packag that implement standard imag process function read write standard format clip zoom etc implement public domain and privat packag interest applic area mind medic imag packag meant for gener context accept repli will summar net gener interest prateek mishra mishra sbc sunysb edu
comp.windows.x	xcopyplan question articl neko css gov nanci neko css gov nanci marin write us xcopyplan copi singl plane depth pixmap depth pixmap everytim thi absolut noth displai data depth pixmap becuas check xcopyarea screen code fragment reason your logic valid appear bit deep pixmap doesn mean bit plane contain data you each plane ken lee klee synopt
comp.windows.x	chang dpy max request size articl zlo world std world std oliv jone write articl netnew upenn edu mcclenn dingdong ci upenn edu nennelccm nodrog write chang maximum request size for server ordinarili set highest underli can and you don want chang thi you run imag type applic steve hsteve hydra unm edu hsteve carina unm edu vm
comp.windows.x	interfac access separ appl articl expo lc mit edu dbohdal jaguar ess harri write dear xpert problem design relat applic each separ execut and build singl control window that user access each applic locat correct icon control window button for each applic and press applic main window us applic button color statu indic thi good idea separ execut thi commun nightmar wrong idea and motif dbohdal jaguar ess harri can two method that you us fork and execv us system call your program assum that you run unix steve hsteve hydra unm edu hsteve carina unm edu vm
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comp.windows.x	keyboard focuss two motif widget control keyboard and mous set keyboard focu widget click mous second lose keyboard focu kind soul show thi dev hollywood acsc
comp.windows.x	kei definit emac articl apr midwai uchicago edu ajaff oddjob uchicago edu andrew jaff write us emac and want custom keyboard set stuff emac keymap and defin kei can access kei termin keyboard can home end pgup pgdn keycod feel thi can fix emac that xmodmap stuff can wors you problem and emac intern tabl defin kei will accept and thi tabl system depend us sun and cannot shift pageup work xmodmap not suffici haven work make work can ordinari pageup and shift cursorright work and customis thing note that emac problem and exactli xmodmap and emac configur nick maclaren univers cambridg comput laboratori museum site pembrok street cambridg england email nmm cu cam tel fax
comp.windows.x	problem libxmu suno and gcc articl qmt waii dla waii doug acker write patch suno patch post export option appli patch olit libxmu compil fine us client bmtoa and twm error can not figur wrong gcc fpcc struct return twm gram lex deftwmrc add window list twm pars menu event resiz util version iconmgr cursor icon usr wgep so lib run path run path lib xmu lxmu lib extens lib lib extens lib lxext extens lib lxext lib usr wgep so lib lsocket lnsl warn file extens lib libxext attempt multipl inclus file libxext undefin referenc symbol file xtwindowofobject lib xmu libxmu fatal symbol referenc error output written twm error code problem that sunpost not defin dougla acker western geophys explor product divis western atla intern inc litton dresser compani internet acker waii voic
comp.windows.x	xterm build problem solari continu build problem stuck build xterm gcc fpcc struct return xterm main input charproc cursor util tab screen scrollbar button tekproc misc vtprstbl tekprstbl data menu usr wgep so lib run path run path lib xaw lxaw lib xmu lxmu lib lxt extens lib lxext lib usr wgep so lib lsocket lnsl ltermcap undefin referenc symbol file index usr ucblib libtermcap termcap rindex usr ucblib libtermcap termcap fatal symbol referenc error output written xterm error code make fatal error command fail for target xterm clue for dougla acker western geophys explor product divis western atla intern inc litton dresser compani internet acker waii voic
comp.windows.x	dynam chang titl bar for program can insert into code that will titl bar chang window dynamicli locat don creat thi scratch advanc bob hosid dloslv xerox
comp.windows.x	mit sun rasterop colorboard run mit base xserver sun rasterop colorboard bit board xsun patch for support sun bit frame buffer rasterop cgtwelv noth rasterop bui put ipx cheer mark
comp.windows.x	svr binari dist rfd creat comp unix sy univel articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu der mous wrote you confus socialist hacker yell proprietari softwar enamor motif objection that mindset new wear socialist hacker hat for moment tar new and motif brush and that brush not technic beg pardon not slam motif necessarili plug flame two respond sweet blith statement rick digibd rick digibd digibd rick richardson rick thi area microsoft big advantag sinc rick control show issu thi rick license creat incompat defacto standard thi happi statement show mindset that inventor and compani pleas that work and that will happi us rememb sunview hot stuff and not that statement endors sun and product thi experi and openwindow hot stuff that start hear mention socialist mass that bent destroi that deem proprietari includ openwindow mention motif breath that sun decid turn attent not hate richardson posit healthi and that seeth hacker will flame and destroi show want free and complain organ structur and facto standard vent for frustrat brought prevail wind mr henn
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comp.windows.x	troubl compil suno articl apr head cfa harvard edu dmm head cfa harvard edu david meleedi write compil patchlevel sun sparc ipx suno and gcc problem occur initi make world get compil standard client can find librari highli suspect program updat for yip had problem fix found link static client btw us francisco ballestero nemo email nemo clip dia upm org comput scienc clip lab phone campu montegancedo boadilla del mont madrid spain
comp.windows.x	server multi screen rainer sun eeam elin rainer hochreit write xpert simpl question for you lot term mean thing can give exact definit term mean multi screen multi head multi displai server zaphod mode limit screen displai singl server can handl articel read upper limit capabl call want move cursor screen displai anoth hint rainer rainer hochreit telephon elin energieanwendung gesmbh telefax penzingerstr wien austria europ mail rainer elin client displai server limit memori your server alloc server indecis kei timothi neto flexibl you can gadget widget work mail god flight system lab boe comm aircraft idea not boe internet ten fsl boe
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comp.windows.x	raster and text widget view xew version version xew widget export lc mit edu contrib xew tar export lc mit edu contrib xew readm for detail check readm for extens detail you xew haven had time updat thi function ad sinc version raster widget handl expos event slightli intellig had thi ad simpl program that athena porthol and panner widget program demo viewer simpl demonstr panner porthol usag copi editr markku savela savela tel vtt technic research centr finland telecommun laboratori otakaari espoo finland
comp.windows.x	xterm build problem solari dla waii doug acker write continu build problem stuck build xterm gcc fpcc struct return xterm main input charproc cursor util tab screen scrollbar button tekproc misc vtprstbl tekprstbl data menu usr wgep so lib run path run path lib xaw
comp.windows.x	question window id articl wnk aquif geologi uiuc edu wnk aquif geologi uiuc edu walter kreil write program run workstat base window system can pop window run top window mean termin window invok can applic not start termin emul termin emul not exist and condit pop ped top iconifi and even you can not you want virtual root window manag tvtwm relev window portion virtual desktop that real desktop not termin emul provid environ variabl give window even such thing present environ not you want correspond window server for exampl der mous mous mcrcim mcgill edu
comp.windows.x	server multi screen articl qlop sgp sun eeam elin rainer sun eeam elin rainer hochreit write lot term mean thing can give exact definit term mean multi screen multi head multi displai server zaphod mode appli server fuzzi term multi head us for system multipl monitor sometim even multipl screen even multiplex monitor sun displai multi screen and multi displai strictli mean thing sinc strict mean multi displai refer system multipl keyboard and pointer us refer thing multi screen system that multipl screen zaphod term appli mit server switch pointer screen anoth slide side screen limit screen displai singl server can handl articel read upper limit protocol limit that restrict displai screen server that handl multipl displai singl invoc possibl kludg server can look such tcp base system necessarili limit displai per machin thi not limit inher you read like talk limit implement mit claim limit inher author articl had busi write der mous mous mcrcim mcgill edu
comp.windows.x	creat bit window bit displai articl apr fwi uva stolk fwi uva bram write server that visual pseudocolor bit truecolor bit and directcolor bit lucki dog problem occur creat window visual that visual parent default visual xlib refer guid reilli can read section xcteatewindow current implement visual parent creat find suitabl colourmap us window attribut creat badmatch occur thi warn strang mention newer edit guid appli equal forc earlier version recent author decid import mention necess refer implicit createwindow request default attribut window even pass suitabl colourmap badmatch creat window default visual attr colormap cmap win xcreatewindow copyfrompar border width depth inputoutput class vinfo visual visual cwcolormap attr thi warn you read incomplet you provid not colormap border default border copyfrompar not valid window depth doesn match parent border pixmap correct depth border pixel and problem anoth problem can find that copyfrompar make sens border width paramet xcreatewindow your xlib implement defin copyfrompar simplifi convers wire format you unwittingli ask for border width due xlib implement not provid stricter type check fair not for xlib catch thi der mous mous mcrcim mcgill edu
comp.windows.x	memori xserver actual size articl igd fhg pfuetz igd fhg matthia pfuetzner write possibl determin protocol call size free memori xserver even you answer date even you even you grab server buffer user action you you want badalloc error your indic that insuffici server memori der mous mous mcrcim mcgill edu
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comp.windows.x	german keyboard and sparc clae polari heinz josef clae write sparc german type keyboard patch for export lc mit edu pub sunkbd tar maf martin forssen maf dtek chalmer maf math chalmer system administr math and dtek chalmer univ technolog
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comp.windows.x	macx color problem stan kerr write type client window displai part window wrong color window move slightli forc server repaint repaint correct color doesn happen exact problem run hewlett packard microwav design system md unix box and run macx sy md draw window deep blue backround occasion becom light blue and text etc insid window becom wash invis thought that brain dead that subtl conflict anoth app init slightli move window and forc draw color correct harri wolfson wolfson mit edu
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comp.windows.x	xterm build problem solari dla waii doug acker write continu build problem stuck build xterm gcc fpcc struct return xterm main input charproc cursor util tab screen scrollbar button tekproc misc vtprstbl tekprstbl data menu usr wgep so lib run path run path lib xaw lxaw lib xmu lxmu lib lxt extens lib lxext lib usr wgep so lib lsocket lnsl ltermcap undefin referenc symbol file index usr ucblib libtermcap termcap rindex usr ucblib libtermcap termcap fatal symbol referenc error output written xterm error code make fatal error command fail for target xterm clue for add lucb lelf list defin index and rindex strchr and strrchr us arg bsd sysv ahold room ankersmidplein zaandam netherland eec dick heijn ccsd ahold tel fax
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comp.windows.x	xterm build problem solari apr gmt dla waii doug acker doug nntp post host waii doug continu build problem stuck build xterm doug undefin referenc doug symbol file doug index usr ucblib libtermcap termcap doug rindex usr ucblib libtermcap termcap doug fatal symbol referenc error output written xterm problem that you build librari path unset run path dougla acker western geophys explor product divis western atla intern inc litton dresser compani internet acker waii voic
comp.windows.x	troubl compil suno articl schneck physik muenchen schneck physik muenchen bernhard schneck write nemo aguirr dia upm francisco ballestero write problem occur initi make world get compil standard client can find librari highli suspect program updat for yip had problem fix found link static client btw us us suno read fix and mit distribut thi problem appli fix and set sunpost fcsld and osteenyvers mit config sun fix you run suno and you appli sun patch you will edit your site def and add thi line aftervendorcf section defin sunpost fcsld fix you run suno chang osteenyvers mit config sun fix note thi patch fix config make suno fail tree previous built sean welch
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comp.windows.x	tabl widget caus troubl xtquerygeometri content problem tabl widget part program user interfac for simul system work refus version not xptablewidgetclass us tablewidgetclass caught net time and xptablechildposit xttblposit sinc compil program width height error sparc station troubl shooter comput model init tabl tabl widget child label and asciitext widget exist xtquerygeometri return prefer width and height asign cannot perform set width and height newli creat widget xtpopup xtmanag child creat width height error depend whether width and height shell widget set resourc file not question xtquerygeometri return low prefer valu work tabl widget perhap happi german request answer german siegfri kaiser email kaiser uniko uni koblenz part interest graphisch neuaufbau de model init formular store width and height viewport widget parent troubl tabl widget viewport widget destroi destroi widget resiz relict ag model init pop xtunmapwidget model init form view xtdestroywidget model init form view creat subtre shell root viewport widget xtsetarg arg xtnfromvert model init titl xtsetarg arg xtnfromhoriz model init button view xtsetarg arg xtnallowvert true xtsetarg arg xtnforcebar true model init form view xtcreatewidget form view viewportwidgetclass model init form arg model init tabl xtcreatewidget tabl xptablewidgetclass model init form view arg creat form widget creat and posit tabl widget child posit xptabl childposit and xttblposit creat form widget ptr model init obj model init tabl crucial function call intend return maximum height isn suffici space show tabl widget viewport grow larg not border screen space window intend shrienk smallest height xtquerygeometri model init tabl null pref algorithm idea viewport widget height select pref height lead height form view height pref height height pref height height form view height set valu viewport widget ancestor xtnametowidget model init form form view xtresizewidget width height pref border width xtresizewidget model init form view width height pref border width model init pop case shell contain model init form view and model init tabl allreadi exist resiz xtsetarg arg xtnwidth shell width xtsetarg arg xtnheight shell height xtsetarg arg xtnborderwidth shell xtgetvalu model init shell arg xtresizewidget model init shell shell width shell height height height shell end xtsetarg arg xtnwidth width xtsetarg arg xtnborderwidth xtgetvalu model init button view arg xtresizewidget model init button view width height xtresizewidget vert bar sbar width sbar resiz init shell height set resourc file program termin xtmanagechild second pass observ function pass succe xtmanagechild model init form view xtmanagechild model init tabl model init pop case shell isn pop set shell height resourc file program termin xtpopup model init shell xtgrabnon model init pop flag true set model init attribut end actual init ptr actual load form ptr actual suspect creation tabl widget content troubl sourc creat form creat form widget ptr tabl obj ptr widget tabl ptr linear list contain attribut and para meter model and addition correspon ding widget arg arg int row col obj ptr obj ident ptr ident initi local variabl ptr obj ptr col row schleif ueber die objekt bzw da pseudo objekt fuer die paramet loop list object and pseudo object object occur model attribut and paramet can share object local attribut object list second linear list type ident paramet can belong ject put togeth pseudo object program loop list object and pseudo object and for each object list attribut resp paramet ptr obj obj null each object and pseudo object repres label widget xtsetarg arg xtnlabel ptr obj name ptr obj label xtcreatemanagedwidget object labelwidgetclass tabl arg xptablechildposit ptr obj label col row col row ptr ident ptr obj ident schleif ueber die objekt attribut bzw paramet ptr ident ident null each attribut and paramet repres label and asciitext widget initi xtsetarg arg xtnlabel ptr ident name ptr ident label xtcreatemanagedwidget ident labelwidgetclass tabl arg xptablechildposit ptr ident label col row col xtsetarg arg xtnlength row length xtsetarg arg xtnstring ptr ident text xtsetarg arg xtnedittyp xawtextedit xtsetarg arg xtnwrap xawtextwrapword xtsetarg arg xtnresiz xawtextresizeheight xtsetarg arg xtnusestringinplac true ptr ident text xtcreatemanagedwidget text asciitextwidgetclass tabl arg xptablechildposit ptr ident text col row col row ident ptr ident end col obj ptr obj end end creat form widget problem detail
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comp.windows.x	xlib for window not xserver anoth compani congruent corpor york citi port xlib and motif window full client develop for applic environ you port interview window thought interview toolkit class that can built xlib class call xlib function steve steven mike editor journal eastbrook martinsvil offic fax serv window system commun
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comp.windows.x	solut xrdb xdefault unchang short answer don packag wscrawl reset default miss xdefault file onc ad miss xdefault file problem kevin kevin weinrich comput scienc corp kbw helio ath epa gov
comp.windows.x	icon box dear xpert want place specif group icon icon box and icon box can thi and motif dbohdal jaguar ess harri
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comp.windows.x	dec pixmap size articl igd fhg haas igd fhg helmut haas goebel write creat pixmap larger size screen program will termin displai messag error badalloc insuffici resourc server support graphic acceler not creation pixmap exeed size screen workaround creat smaller pixmap and add result ken lee klee synopt
comp.windows.x	circular motif widget articl bjg acsc dev hollywood acsc write will support for round circular widget motif releas love circular knob widget us slider support you don that prohibit you implement such widget you will write your version function that draw shadow and travers highlight ken lee klee synopt
comp.windows.x	desqview articl qtk picasso cssc syd tansu gpatapi boyd tansu write articl aecl harrisp aecl write us desqview and great shine imho unix user log into and run do and window applic displai screen you desqview desqview suggest retail desqview system suggest retail you run support network ftp softwar pctcp novel lan workplac for do sun microsystem nf beam and whitesid wollongong pathwai tcpip microsoft lan manag you don thi network stuff quarterdeck will give you copi novel tcpip transprot for do network manag you can info send email appropri info qdeck info qdeck custom servic depart you technic question you can write support qdeck opinion you want peopl log and run applic your you want meg ram xwindow softwar desqviewx tseng lab chipset base graphic card person found that thing ran scsi drive esdi drive that experi sort traffic gener call curiou find requir bandwidth that link machin run support multipl user client and requir adequ respons time idea expect limit factor will your server machin not network give you real world exampl quarterdeck roughli peopl dvx talk bunch unix box novel file server and each not load ethernet concentr you peopl each segment you had badli load net app you want run network intens you run into slowdown biggest problem machin you plenti ram and fast hard disk and network card you peopl run program you slowdown you effect mhz dvx will attempt task idl and make give time slice you work program run you that you can tweak program run ad call give time slice idl and that sort thing you run peopl machin you start slowdown thi time network bandwidth depend program you slowdown bandwidth lot sooner your app network thing quarterdeck offic system internet support tom bortel price order info qdeck tech question support qdeck bb fax compuserv quarterdeck fax touch tone phone for technot demand
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comp.windows.x	put rpc motif environ articl apr sol ctr columbia edu nchan nova ctr columbia edu nui chan write implement rpc server xwindow sun xview notifi enabl rpc svc call that automat execut rpc process detect incom request similar function motif that perform function xrpc packag for year export ian hogg ianhogg umn edu
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comp.windows.x	macx color problem articl kul cso uiuc edu kerr cso uiuc edu stan kerr write peculiar color problem macx appl macintosh server problem happen current version and version type client window displai part window wrong color window move slightli forc server repaint repaint correct color doesn happen for xterm window happen for graphic window and motif client expect that your colormap full and applic start cannot add color that colormap pick and choos exist color thi make ugli window get prioriti macx colormap that select app get exact color want applic make colormap thi problem color server color xserver demand applic exce size colormap solut avoid colormap greedi app and displai applic color ic cake monochrom mode color thi option for applic doug shaker voic fax email dshaker qualix mail qualix group norfolk san mateo qualix maintain mailserv inform file and demo version product you inform mailserv send email qfact qualix uunet qualix qfact email form begin send send index end name address phone
comp.windows.x	forc window manag accept specif coordin for window figur make window manag place window creat window command tell applic reason don want set overrid redirect want embellish that window manag want accept choic locat twm tvtwm and mwm and uncoop ethan
comp.windows.x	mysteri beep articl qtkk cup defaria cup andi defaria write articl crosspost window author andi defaria post mon apr gmt for reason code applic beep whenev intercept keystrok and chang mean intent thi code date field special kei insert todai date bump dai bump dai hardcod date for thi exampl perhap shouldn xmtext field for thi for reason code beep whenev special kei hit idea thi code interpret kei special mean impli code rid beep can not beep and lose understand and beep occur code delet xmtextfield man page discuss resourc xmnverifybel specifi whether bell will sound action revers verif callback you set doit fals callback and text field beep turn thi behavior set thi boolean resourc fals tom mcfarland tommc
comp.windows.x	monthli question xcopyarea and expos event post question that doesn answer suppos you idl app realiz and map window that contain xlib graphic button widget press will item drawn window thi action not call xcopyarea equiv directli regist exist item memori structur and expos event handler that handl regular expos event window manag driven exposur care render imag expos event handler proper thi time handler call xlib window guarante map problem that expos event gener window visibl and map tickl window that expos handler hit argument that will enabl render part window that contain item tickl window produc thi behavior understand your problem correctli you want send exposur your manag widget your app specif code draw xlib graphic window sound you want send exposur xsendev and region you region you send exposur gener you bound rectangl object you can us xcreateregion creat region xunionrectwithregion add object polygon region and us region clip your for redraw us xrectinregion test your object redrawn keep mind that stack order overlap object affect hope help brian deali not know deali kong gsfc nasa gov that import know uunet dftsrv kong deali not dylan brian deali not know deali kong gsfc nasa gov that import know uunet dftsrv kong deali not dylan
comp.windows.x	ftp address kerbero version draft rfc
comp.windows.x	find appcontext call give applic context fix motif program and us xtappaddtimeout argument app context call can us give thi todd green masc ucssun sdsu edu
comp.windows.x	xcopyplan question articl buzz apr lion bear buzz bear buzz moschetti write articl whalei apr sigma kpc whalei sigma kpc ken whalei write faq popular reason graphic don show you wait for expos event draw your rectangl suppos you idl app realiz and map window that contain xlib graphic button widget press will item drawn window thi action not call xcopyarea equiv directli regist exist item memori structur and expos event handler care render imag that time guarante that window map problem that expos event gener window visibl and map you tickl window that expos event handler will invok draw thi item thi origin question previous state that xcopyarea depth pixmap screen make that imag had data and thi not problem expos event xcopyplan not work code fragment send demonstr that xcopyplan work thi help nanci marin net nanci neko css gov ensco inc mail pineda melbourn fax
comp.windows.x	wcl for solari version wcl that port solari includ ansi had numer problem compil wcl solari and function not prototyp wcl sun user group cd email answer not thi list tom tulinski capit manag scienc west lo angel manual address answer zuma tom netcomsv netcom
comp.windows.x	xwininfo want equival xwininfo name call set call xlib map window name easi program for you sourc code simpli mit client xwininfo xwininfo and you will find exactli adrian nye reilli and associ
comp.windows.x	work problem schedul classroom and will you softwar paper articl you relat lorenza illan
comp.windows.x	xcopyplan question articl whalei apr sigma kpc whalei sigma kpc ken whalei write faq popular reason graphic don show you wait for expos event draw your rectangl suppos you idl app realiz and map window that contain xlib graphic button widget press will item drawn window thi action not call xcopyarea equiv directli regist exist item memori structur and expos event handler care render imag that time guarante that window map problem that expos event gener window visibl and map you tickl window that expos event handler will invok draw thi item specif made comment assum that perhap code fragment simpl open draw quit client per your question not button handler add object and call window redraw directli depend applic structur problem render object directli respons button press ken kenneth whalei kubota pacif comput inc email whalei kpc walsh avenu santa clara
comp.windows.x	mwm titl drag crash server sigpip environ mach arch sparc sun ipx suno patchlevel motif bring server startx and usr bin xsun sequenc action crash server sigpip errno xinit report that connexion server lost xinit xsun start mwm start client dpi dpi font move window drag titl bar server dump core due sigpip two messag print connect server lost connect broken errno report client and second server ran xdm debug level set action xdm report select return server for termin unexpectedli statu note problem doesn occur window manag twm olwm not set librari path not run font server start client fix width font not thi problem font path usr lib font misc usr lib font speedo usr lib font dpi usr lib font dpi mkfontdir usr lib font dpi usr lib font dpi usr lib font pex usr lib font speedo and usr lib font misc thi problem occur ipx machin not thi problem ipc workstat question hell goin statu mean server greatli hint problem ramakrishnan dept mcbryde hall vatech
comp.windows.x	xlock found odditi sgi indigo mip chip xlock nolock run and work remot batch mode runtim program time clock code slower xlock not run process affect runtim thi consist explan real imagin dale frostedflak llnl gov
comp.windows.x	intrins slow popup run sampl problem reilli volum intris program manual chapter popup dialog box and exampl page creat pop dialog box applic creat window button quit and press button press pop dialog box strang featur thi program that pop dialog box faster time pop time time slower experi sampl program thi behaviour fast respons time for time slow respons time time onward can give idea program popup that each time popup reason fast respons time thankyou shirlei
comp.windows.x	put rpc motif environ articl new ci umn edu ianhogg milli umn edu ian hogg write articl apr sol ctr columbia edu nchan nova ctr columbia edu nui chan write implement rpc server xwindow sun xview notifi enabl rpc svc call that automat execut rpc process detect incom request similar function motif that perform function xrpc packag for year export glad hear that work for you couldn find export simon leinen simon liasun epfl ad imakefil and athena version and made for ftp file liasun epfl pub contrib xrpc tar note suffix you gnu gzip liasun pub gnu uncompress thi doesn work send note and happi mail you copi you won start holidai tomorrow martin janzen janzen mprgate mpr mpr teltech nelson burnabi canada dublin folk that want for pint guin mulligan
comp.windows.x	draw line invers xor write code that let draw line and rubber band box motif run bit displai for creat colormap and almost color want draw line draw area widget widget displai bitmap xputimag doesn matter line draw interact stai window refresh draw interact begin drawindex colort index reserv for foreground default color color index for background imag palett color drawindex red palett color default color red palett color drawindex green palett color default color green palett color drawindex blue palett color default color blue xstorecolor mydisplai cmap palett color drawindex xflush mydisplai xsetfunct mydisplai gxxor xsetforeground mydisplai drawindex draw xdrawlin mydisplai xtwindow drawingarea xflush mydisplai and return thing normal xsetfunct mydisplai gxcopi happen for line draw invers draw happen white line line white background noth show line black area noth show strang gxxor function sinc rubber band box eras and redraw correctli not disturb underli imag suggest wrong for thi work color displai you set foreground foreground background patrick mahan tgv window washer mahan tgv wake person unnecessarili not consid lazaru long capit crime for offens that notebook lazaru long
comp.windows.x	timeout problem athena strip chart widget not call function pretti thi happen not xtappmainloop deal event socket want timeout that strip chart widget will call callback anoth fast thi for that matter cannot don call xtngetvalu callback don for paramet proc xtpointer call data word want forc strip chart widget updat idea christoph bailei internet baileyc dendrit colorado edu univers colorado boulder compuserv ride fast chanc
comp.windows.x	transpar widget write applic annot note exist document annot time peopl idea acet transpar stack top each that user can thi oclock client you
comp.windows.x	multi screen app and window manag pelkei phone battel pacif northwest lab fax mail stop email pelkei pnl gov box richland interest your question you answer email and not repost rainer rainer hochreit telephon elin energieanwendung gesmbh telefax penzingerstr wien austria europ mail rainer elin
comp.windows.x	find appcontext call give applic context fix motif program and us xtappaddtimeout argument app context call can us give thi us xtdisplaytoapplicationcontext retreiv applic context patrick mahan tgv window washer mahan tgv wake person unnecessarili not consid lazaru long capit crime for offens that notebook lazaru long patrick mahan tgv window washer mahan tgv wake person unnecessarili not consid lazaru long capit crime for offens that notebook lazaru long
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comp.windows.x	forc window manag accept specif coordin for window articl hfz columbia edu ethan solomita write figur make window manag place window creat window command tell applic reason don want set overrid redirect want embellish that window manag want accept choic locat window xcreatewindow xsettransientforhint displai window window xmapwindow thi cheat and window manag refus give border and that stuff work
comp.windows.x	devguid motif solari eas motif burden develop number applic devguid and found tool impress level integr afford connect editor love gener eas us talk tali aben sun todai devguid motif help provid input version devguid tali enthusiat comment mention post thi email messag and offer receiv addit comment net devguid evolv into send your comment list rave devguid tali aben sun pretti cool exampl compani that care want thi and comput futur frankli idea that will offer migrat capabl doe domf integr tooltalk capabl point march sunexpert magazin technolog work can crankout interfac devguid price outstand
comp.windows.x	run dxterm apollo dec run dxterm dec xterm decstat ultrix motif displai variabl set apollo domain motif error appear decstat dxterm toolkit warn cannot convert string kei apchardel type virtualbind toolkit warn cannot convert string kei apcopi type virtualbind toolkit warn cannot convert string kei apcut type virtualbind toolkit warn cannot convert string kei appast type virtualbind toolkit warn cannot convert string kei apupbox type virtualbind toolkit warn cannot convert string kei apdownbox type virtualbind toolkit warn cannot convert string kei aprightbar type virtualbind toolkit warn cannot convert string kei apleftbar type virtualbind segment fault idea motif problem dec and apollo version motif incompat xkeysymdb xterm run fine dec displai apollo arggh run dxterm packag dec oracl case dxterm default and lab apollo workstat run oracl andrew alf leahi alf nepean uw edu andrew alf leahi phone irc pepsi alf uni western sydnei nepean remot email alf nepean uw edu sydnei australia local email alf
comp.windows.x	xalloccolor fail return nearest match post for friend look faq and didn thi come xalloccolor suppos order find exact match read color cell hardwar limit alloc read colorcel and set match and fail return colorcel match read color alloc colormap thi sound good theori doesn work thi exact match colormap and unalloc cell xalloccolor fail even alloc cell and dozen read cell colormap thi bug featur misunderstand part appreci noel ngorel speclab usg gov
comp.windows.x	xlib for window not xserver articl apr topgun smike topgun steven mike write anoth compani congruent corpor york citi port xlib and motif window full client develop for applic environ send postal and email address congruent corpor and competitor you snail lsl wash hand conflict power and powerless mean side power not neutral quot freir poster oxfam
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comp.windows.x	problem libarari compil sourc code for mpeg anim viewer for window code ftp site modifi makefil instruct error happen that messag link util video parseblock motionvector decod fast hybrid hybriderr gdith grai mono main jrevdct bit util order order order lib libx lib libxext mpeg plai undefin referenc symbol file getnetpath lib libx alloc lib libx unbind lib libx open lib libx rcvdi lib libx netdir free lib libx error lib libx netdir getbynam lib libx getnetconfig lib libx lib libx errno lib libx close lib libx netdir getbyaddr lib libx listen lib libx rcv lib libx setnetpath lib libx bind lib libx connect lib libx accept lib libx perror lib libx inet addr lib libx mpeg plai fatal error symbol referenc error output written mpeg plai error code make fatal error miss function locat you can you post unix group suggest thi error you unix system machin termin want us separ and call termin and dedic that not sinc time thi window gidget that time program for speak us alot for graphic thing you can mail gerard
comp.windows.x	intrins mail list don newsfe wonder whether such thing mail list xpert expo lc mit edu info thi relat mail list advanc leon leon thrane telephon dimatrix ap fax lyngbi hovedgad mail leon dimatrix lyngbi denmark uunet dimatrix leon
comp.windows.x	intrins slow popup articl minster york cjh minster york write applic creat window button quit and press button press pop dialog box strang featur thi program that pop dialog box faster time pop time time slower shell wait for window manag respond posit request window manag not respond think window place exactli two compon into thi sulk unclear inform greatli receiv bryan
comp.windows.x	xdm decnet xdm work decnet ultrix machin run tcp and decnet number termin hang ultrix host run tcp and decnet present xdm for login procedur termin tcp sinc xdm basic window client shouldn run xdm decnet protocol tower inclin that xdm not your typic client make tcp specif socket call thi case answer you can not run xdm decnet thi not feedback appreci
comp.windows.x	compil sun articl qfe qzz andrew cmu edu wilson swee andrew cmu edu write piec code that compil fine pmax pmax mach sun mach whenev compil sun undefin error sin co pow floor wmshellwidgetclass applicationshellwidgetclass librari that link lxaw lxmu lxt lxext makefil gener imak templat can give pointer miss compil sun easi you math librari ad don that problem start daniel mccoi space net inc nasa mail code tel nasa johnson space center fax houston texa futur mccoi gothamc jsc nasa gov
comp.windows.x	keyboard map for type keyboard keyboard map for sun type keyboard for us nigel nigel elli artifici intellig group elli durham comput scienc univers durham phne durham england fax
comp.windows.x	top motif applic search for busi inform motif applic creat top us wordprocessor spreadsheet draw program schedul and fax program etc mail your inform refer will summari result thi media you advanc anton ruiter digit equip corpor workgroup product wgp objectwork obw ing anton ruiter mba softwar product manag post offic box apeldoorn netherland oud apeldoornseweg apeldoorn netherland mail hlde ruiter dtn locat apd internet aruit idca td philip mcsun philapd aruit phone busi phone privat fax
comp.windows.x	gcc and build widget set linux attempt copi widget set compil linux sl releas kernel and run into problem that thi gcc question compil troubl basic number function prototyp set compositep for instanc composit widget insert child procedur set type typedef void xtwidgetproc widget place sourc code refer insert child procedur and pass multipl argument prototyp suggest for exampl superclass composit class insert child arg num arg gcc choke thi give error messag that argument pass function suggest turn thi check gcc can chang code accomod thi call chang usr includ compositep successfulli built widget set and suggest advanc for bill woodward wpwood austin ibm thi aix softwar support billw aixwiz austin ibm graphic group terror that flap night
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comp.windows.x	motif athena etc articl azj kirk bambi kirk david hugh write port motif bsd and linux for fee thi cost recoveri for person bought right redistribut activ bsd and linux new group pertain motif high heard that italian gui distribut motif binari for bsd haven heard thing for linux and follow linux new group pretti close miss love hold motif lib for linux for regard joe pannon
comp.windows.x	xdm xsession woe manag xdm run ncr svr box run xfree ncd xdisplai pretti work encount weird error attempt start xterm xsession file noth happen redirect stderr file exec home xerror xsession reveal error messag xterm error errno not owner start xterm window manag command line work fine and start client window manag mwm and clock xsession work encount thi suggest atdhvaannkcs de herriott wise man onc micro focu newburi take lot brain smart dnh mfltd take neck giraff
comp.windows.x	mwm titl drag crash server sigpip articl creatur edu ramakri csgrad edu ramakrishnan write environ mach arch sparc sun ipx suno patchlevel motif bring server startx and usr bin xsun sequenc action crash server sigpip errno xinit report that connexion server lost had thi problem had graphic card that come ipx fix problem for appli sungx that part patch patch us thi file perhap you didn appli that patch jeff jeff boot boot ncar ucar edu scientif comput divis noth good bad nation center for atmospher research think make boulder hamlet
comp.windows.x	find appcontext articl qvatv pandora sdsu edu masc ucsnew sdsu edu todd green write call give applic context fix motif program and us xtappaddtimeout argument app context call can us give thi you can applicationcontext associ widget call xtwidgettoapplicationcontext ian hogg ianhogg umn edu
comp.windows.x	mysteri beep articl qtkk cup defaria cup andi defaria write articl crosspost window author andi defaria post mon apr gmt for reason code applic beep whenev intercept keystrok and chang mean intent thi code date field special kei insert todai date bump dai bump dai hardcod date for thi exampl perhap shouldn xmtext field for thi for reason code beep whenev special kei hit idea thi code interpret kei special mean impli code rid beep can not beep and lose understand and beep occur code delet xmtextfield man page discuss resourc xmnverifybel specifi whether bell will sound action revers verif callback you set doit fals callback and text field beep turn thi behavior set thi boolean resourc fals tom mcfarland tommc
comp.windows.x	fontnam fonstruct applic can retriev name font applic xfontstruct xgetfontproperti work pass font name detail thi advanc brian brian deali not know deali kong gsfc nasa gov that import know uunet dftsrv kong deali not dylan
comp.windows.x	xlock articl qvir idi lll winken llnl gov dale went llnl gov dale slone write dale found odditi sgi indigo mip chip dale xlock nolock run and work remot dale batch mode runtim program time dale clock code slower dale xlock not run process affect dale runtim thi consist you run xlock mode blank xlock consum cpu time gener nice anim displai code you run compet xlock for cpu you run top remot login you can scott henri scotth sgi disclaim miss network servic gigo mean garbag gospel silicon graphic inc
comp.windows.x	xterm ansi color mous support brown ftm vidiot write articl apr vm huji kloni vm huji write had request post inform gather search for ansi mous color xterm sourc respons larri virden write mit and provid mous escap sequenc color xterm enhanc export lc mit edu contrib found color xterm tar that directori lot fun stuff for larri found uunet pub window sy contrib for that can anonuucp notic that thing date make two year thi latest version talk xterm accept escap sequenc that for colour decterm dxterm thought that call colxterm and test show odditi that bug program wrong unsur meant ansi mous xterm
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comp.windows.x	xalloccolor fail return nearest match articl slate mine colorado edu agallagh slate mine colorado edu gallagh andrea write post for friend look faq and didn thi come xalloccolor suppos order find exact match read color cell hardwar limit alloc read colorcel and set match and fail return colorcel match read color alloc colormap you hear thi print book throw book mit spec true ken lee klee synopt
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comp.windows.x	transpar widget articl ntep ntep tmg nec cerna ntep tmg nec alexand cerna write write applic annot note exist document annot time peopl idea acet transpar stack top each that user can thi oclock client you oclock widget written shape extens you can your widget current widget support shape you subclass add that function ken lee klee synopt
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comp.windows.x	can detect local remot displai set find applic run local remot displai local displai connect system that client execut access displai string can string client execut host foo unix foo and localhost local ultrix that local valid displai name share memori connect string that check for detect thi you for you can give jim atkinson wavefront technolog inc jra wti compani spokesperson real life not spectat sport
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comp.windows.x	anim xputimag articl apr dsd pmartz dsd paul martz write articl apr infodev cam dcr mail ast cam derek richardson write thi group bear two year ago wrote sunview applic for fast anim raster file sunview rapidli obselet final decid rewrit scratch xview put togeth quick test and found that xputimag consider slower factor averag sunview command rop move imag data memori pixrect canva thi sparc ipx that protocol commun slow thing xputimag ineffici xputimag your sourc maintain client and destin maintain server you incur overhead transport client server commun mechan you for you maintain your sourc imag pixmap maintain server copi into window cheaper make you not send unnecessari xsync run xsynchon mode you speed and your client can run host server you us share memori extens sampl server mit shm xdpyinfo will you your server thi extens thi sampl mit server run suno word warn make your kernel configur support share memori and anoth word warn openwindow slower mit server written imag tool xview for gui yield frame per second for bit imag run sparc ipc half cpu grunt ipx thi prove quit suffici for anim regard richard gooch
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comp.windows.x	xquerybestcursor semi broken ask recent us xquerybestcursor creat size impli server not creat cursor that size investig show that server will happili return size size root window return fix limit reason size interest thing that server binari act differ hardwar sun will claim cursor root window size sun will stop thi behavior ncd and phase termin and told occur hp ncd even liber size larger root winodw gladli return xquerybestcursor semi broken thi behavior correct cursor richard neitzel thor thor atd ucar edu torren med sitt skjegg nation center for atmospher research lokkar borni sole vegg box boulder gjo med sitt shinn jagar borni inn
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comp.windows.x	anim xputimag thi group bear two year ago wrote sunview applic for fast anim raster file sunview rapidli obselet final decid rewrit scratch xview put togeth quick test and found that xputimag consider slower factor averag sunview command rop move imag data memori pixrect canva thi sparc ipx that protocol commun slow thing xputimag ineffici question fastest dump plane imag data window can advantag fact that client run machin server stuck xputimag case give appreci derek articl infodev cam dcr mail ast cam derek richardson write derek richardson tel institut astronomi fax cambridg mail dcr mail ast cam anim frequent copi client resid ximag into server resid pixmap xputimag onc thi origin ximag can delet and anim loop can perform xcopyarea pixmap window drawabl hope thi helpful john
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comp.windows.x	anim xputimag articl apr infodev cam dcr mail ast cam derek richardson write thi group bear two year ago wrote sunview applic for fast anim raster file sunview rapidli obselet final decid rewrit scratch xview put togeth quick test and found that xputimag consider slower factor averag sunview command rop move imag data memori pixrect canva thi sparc ipx that protocol commun slow thing xputimag ineffici xputimag your sourc maintain client and destin maintain server you incur overhead transport client server commun mechan you for you maintain your sourc imag pixmap maintain server copi into window cheaper make you not send unnecessari xsync run xsynchon mode paul pmartz dsd evan sutherland
comp.windows.x	xsun not run sparcclass instal patch for solari sparcstat sparcclass pool run fine classic give command startx xsun print messag warn mmap can map dummi space map such devic address and exit fix thi problem advanc christian rank lehrstuhl fuer wirtschaftsinformatik universitaet passau innstr passau
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comp.windows.x	build xlc aix apr gmt dla waii doug acker doug nntp post host waii big problem build mit xlc bundl aix almost linker not work properli share librari built problem headach for exampl xset client complain that libxmu doesnt bunch routin and shr miss that build libxmu link libxt perplex thi specif error not load program xset symbol xtvasetvalu lib xmu libxmu undefin symbol xtname lib xmu libxmu undefin symbol xtwindowofobject lib xmu libxmu undefin symbol xtgetconstraintresourcelist lib xmu libxmu undefin symbol xtdisplaytoapplicationcontext lib xmu libxmu undefin symbol xtappsettypeconvert lib xmu libxmu undefin symbol xtscreendatabas lib xmu libxmu undefin symbol xtresolvepathnam lib xmu libxmu undefin symbol xtcvtstringtofont lib xmu libxmu undefin symbol xtcallconvert lib xmu libxmu undefin symbol xtdisplaystringconversionwarn lib xmu libxmu undefin not load librari libxmu shr error exec format error dougla acker western geophys explor product divis western atla intern inc litton dresser compani internet acker waii voic
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comp.windows.x	anim xputimag articl apr infodev cam dcr mail ast cam derek richardson write two year ago wrote sunview applic for fast anim raster file sunview rapidli obselet final decid rewrit scratch xview put togeth quick test and found that xputimag consider slower factor averag sunview command rop move imag data memori pixrect canva thi sparc ipx that protocol commun slow thing xputimag ineffici question protocol move imag process memori server memori thi hog convers xputimag fast fastest dump plane imag data window can advantag fact that client run machin server stuck util mit shm extens that xputimag deriv that share memori fine fast xputimag case give you can xputimag frame pixmap move server memori and replai fastest xcopyarea awar thi major server memori bummer brain insid andr beck abpsoft mehl andr beck ir inf dresden
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comp.windows.x	xlib and includ file xpert sparc limit disk space usr partit previous run window applic and upgrad system sun and realiz that hard disk not space load openwindow altern load neccessari file boot system thi result not load openwindow result librari load load librari and includ file and bin file requir for run window and compil program written for xlib and xaw desper effort regain window retriev usr lib libx file tape usr bin and usr includ thi for run window not usr lib font sub directori dpi dpi and misc run xinit error messag usr lib font dpi etc not default path problem cannot load directori disk space temporari suggest disk and load openwindow window run pramod
comp.windows.x	write motif widget can give inform write motif widget platform motif privat header file and sourc can make public header that provid motif includ thi context widget multi column list lot peopl written and subclass list simpl class thi difficult principl not line code altern multi column list widget sell thi save write chanc exist motif not spec answer appreci nichola nichola young
comp.windows.x	forc window manag accept specif coordin for window articl bub wsinfo win tue rcb wsinfo win tue richard verhoeven write bade berlin tobia dope bade write thi xcreatewindow xsizehint flag usposit ussiz pposit psize xsetwmnormalhint displai window xsizehint hint window manag that posit and size window user and that window manag accept valu you us xsizehint flag pposit psize thi tell window manag that valu prefer valu program not user don window manag that doesn place window you prefer you posit and size olwm and tvtwm don place titl that posit and window posit below reason place corner locat you request that icccm thi becom problem you want program save current configur and restor solut xcreatewindow xsetwmproperti xmapwindow xflush xmovewindow thi code will almost break call xmapwindow and xflush not guarante that window visibl and manag window manag even thi work isn reliabl find decor window manag your window you don move and window manag refus move your window tom lastrang toml boulder parcplac
comp.windows.x	postscript termin problem postscript work local sun sparcstat ipc postscript work good connect sun termin error messag that postscript cannot connect new displai doesn postscript work termin xtermin not new server xtermin speed natur limit function onc you add new and you workstat workaround heard involv perl script replac program that new pageview program that don ghostview can elabor perl workaround person experi greg owen gowen fort tuft edu gowen jade tuft edu system programm and tuft univers comput scienc dept transfer disclaim host name and boss address you don thi polici disconnect
comp.windows.x	colormap dialog shell applicationshel colormap creat xcreatecolormap and color for bit displai move cursor window technicolor effect fine basic program work problem question popup dialogshel prompt user for input want xmndialogstyl set xmdialog primari applic modal result that cursor dialogshel colormap cursor applicationshel window dialogshel default colormap that cursor window applic colormap suggest david
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comp.windows.x	problem run aix info sun rlogin shell run info util remot login shell rlogin sun sparc can longer type lower case info window prompt thought prob due sun window mgr openlook incompat aix motif applic tvtwm result thi kei definit problem workstat system admin feign ignor type lower case into thi remot aix motif app local openlook window manag wayn long internet wcl risc sp mot william cannon drive west texa edu oakhil risc wcl austin texa phone fax
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comp.windows.x	anim xputimag articl whalei apr sigma kpc whalei sigma kpc ken whalei write advanag mit shm that your imag larg you don end grow size server process hold correct server us version malloc will not return memori server free pixmap heap not shrink disadvantag mit shm that sampl implement provis for elegantli clean share memori segment client di sudden violent death kill you mind clutter system zombi share memori segment part routin mention dirti trick that problem creat share memori segment attach client attach server and remov segment you read man page remov share memori segment you will that segment di attach client di that attach clean for you and sinc server notic client di free resourc includ detach segment last attach share memori segment terribl work regard richard gooch
comp.windows.x	xterm patch for alpha osf massag dec osf def can rememb exact name osf into normal distribut compil and link fine xterm doesn run warn represent size match superclass overrid background warn translat tabl syntax error modifi expect warn found pars error fail request badcolor invalid colormap paramet major opcod fail request allocnamedcolor resourc fail request serial number fail request current serial number output stream thi core stuff work hint tip appreci patch primo jay mathisen coe system manag robert hall dept comput scienc montana state univers bozeman osyjm montana edu
comp.windows.x	widget translat problem write custom widget support displai graphic and imageri user widget will creat whether oper mode set translat and action handl mous button press work fine widget mode mode work widget widget child manag put anoth translat not work widget configur mode and child shell thi happen advanc bruce gendler bgendler csc
comp.windows.x	text field dialog widget doesn focu glx widget athena widget mix model applic dwm dialog get pop text entri field not focu aimilar code work perfectli us pure mix model relev portion code int arg warg widget button popupshel dialog initi toplevel xtsetarg warg xtnlabel foo button xtcreatemanagedwidget foobtn commandwidgetclass toplevel warg popupshel xtcreatepopupshel pupshel overrideshellwidgetclass button null xtaddcallback popupshel xtncallback mypopup xtpointer popupshel xtsetarg warg xtnvalu dialog xtcreatemanagedwidget thedialog dialogwidgetclass popupshel warg void mypopup popup shell call data widget widget popup shell xtpointer call data xtpopup popup shell xtgrabexclus found give focu text field move applic window bit and place popup pointer greatli appreci
comp.windows.x	correct last post glx lack cou dialog widget code replac line xtaddcallback popupshel xtncallback mypopup xtpointer popupshel xtaddcallback button xtncallback mypopup xtpointer popupshel rest and question remain dan
comp.windows.x	dell eisa video card thi belong comp window unix redirect followup articl sshu cbi gator larri gator larri snyder write xfree support eisa video card dell larri snyder larri gator for fact that eisa version orchid prodesign ii work eisa svga card like wast monei xfree come support for acceler chipset isa eisa and vlb will support import question chipset support bu basic irrelev compat issu david wexelblat dwex mtgzf att fax bell laboratori laurel av middletown xfree request address xfree physic love oxygen you you high not and you gonna die sweet love oxygen
comp.windows.x	question overlai graphic two rectangl canva intersect delet rectangl creat anoth us gxxor logic function and simpli redraw rectangl newli creat graphic context delet for appar purpos problem thi approach that point intersect pixel locat belong rectangl becom white that avoid you set bitmap mask clear bitmap draw rectangl delet gxor draw that stai gxclear gxxor entir pixmap screen note that thi pretti effect anim you that replac gxclear gxxor joe hildebrand hildjj fuentez softwar engin fuentez system concept standard disclaim appli
comp.windows.x	keysym databas problem problem motif applic that run anoth machin path etc can find xkeysymdb file thi larg warn output warn translat tabl syntax error unknown keysym name osfactiv warn found pars kei osfactiv managerparentactiv warn translat tabl syntax error unknown keysym name osfcancel warn found pars kei osfcancel managerparentcancel warn translat tabl syntax error unknown keysym name osfselect warn found pars kei osfselect managergadgetselect etc file locat for place machin app compil read xkeysymdb manual call that addit xkeysymdb can distribut applic us trace find fix that translat applic can recognis tim tim liddelow for fork system programm centr advanc technolog telecommun brain bad dai citri melbourn australia internet tim kimba catt citri edu phone fax
comp.windows.x	mix xlib mwm articl scorpion dp gerard dp gerard driscol write pyeatt texaco write widget defin for glxmdraw motif glxdraw athena widget similar xmdrawingarea that you us call render into window glxlink glxunlink glxgetconfig and glxwinset man page hold widget gerard driscol gerard odriscol dp pont pixel system come iri nth ship latest version nth portabl updat coupl week ago assum that silicon graphic licens sourc you that you can includ your compani offer larri pyeatt view express not internet pyeatt texaco employ voic that except
comp.windows.x	write motif widget articl wapj ibmpcug nichola ibmpcug nichola young write write motif widget platform motif privat header file and sourc can make public header that provid motif includ thi context you find almost imposs sourc thi point depend ambiti you and concern you complianc gener interfac and item travers widget multi column list lot peopl written and subclass list simpl class thi difficult principl not line code not you ask you creat true multi column list place list geometri manag and put that manag automat scroll window thi wouldn good for larg list you thi altern altern multi column list widget sell thi save write chanc exist motif not spec motif not multi column list you look commerci set widget set multi column list you port dougla rand drand osf org osf motif dev snail cambridg center cambridg disclaim don osf agre vote amateur radio
comp.windows.x	numlock mask interfer meta compos extendchar question thi mean determin state capslock and numlock alright ignor thi delv bit deeper xkeyev and found for state bunch mask check lockmask for capslock appear that numlock mask vari server server mask numlock and for meta mod mask mod mask mod mask mod mask mod mask sgi vendor server mod mask numlock solari openwindow mod mask for numlock unambigu mean determin numlock mask runtim for server for wast bandwidth and appal ignor ralph
comp.windows.x	find paper rosenth march april version journal open front work program client thi summer and sinc don experi program thought thi issu help section debug and section common error program end error section refer for tutori program style rosenth david simpl client program proceed winter usenix confer lemk and rosenth visual client proceed winter usenix confer find print prefer electron form can you suggest net resourc devot introduct program bookstor for book ask can find net david simpson davesimp soda berkelei edu
comp.windows.x	intrins slow popup cjh minster york wrote run sampl problem reilli volum intris program manual chapter popup dialog box and exampl page creat pop dialog box applic creat window button quit and press button press pop dialog box strang featur thi program that pop dialog box faster time pop time time slower experi sampl program thi behaviour fast respons time for time slow respons time time onward can give idea program popup that each time popup reason fast respons time thankyou shirlei respond prevent thi behaviour two method run twm olwm keep olwm put wmtimeout resourc suggest that difficuti window manag posit popup window guru can analys thi inform post and shirlei
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comp.windows.x	termin config file question question exact entri paramet and syntax termin configur file load termin boot add anoth system tcp access control list background two unix system run and mit and sun want window sun and ncd termin time can thi manual set network paramet tcp access control list login telnet session not great xhost work and fail syntax wrong implement bogu edit ncd configur file that load ncd boot matter entri add edit ncd boot tcp access control list contain manual worthless appreci ann mari barden abarden afseo eglin mil
comp.windows.x	error fail request badpixmap invalid pixmap paramet give guess thi simpl program badpixmap error fourth bizarr call xtrelaizewidget code int stoploop static void callback widget xtpointer xtpointer main xttoolkitiniti xtappcontext app xtcreateapplicationcontext int junk displai di xtopendisplai app null null null null junk null widget top xtappcreateshel null null applicationshellwidgetclass di null widget box xtvacreatemanagedwidget xmpushbuttonwidgetclass top xmnheight xmnwidth null xtaddcallback box xmnactivatecallback callback null xtrealizewidget top stoploop xevent event xtappnextev app event xtdispatchev event stoploop xtreleasegc top xdefaultgcofscreen xtscreen top need xtdestroywidget top xtclosedisplai di static void callback widget xtpointer xtpointer stoploop error time show box error fail request badpixmap invalid pixmap paramet major opcod fail request creategc resourc fail request serial number fail request current serial number output stream respond email note realiz thi program noth ultra trivial version real librari routin david rex wood davewood colorado edu univers colorado boulder
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comp.windows.x	instal problem process instal sun sparcstat and run into problem imagin miss screen driver line figur internet land instal machin that openlook instal and instal concurr set compil usr directori work kink get compil gcc that compil warn instal for pex set flag run messag line get interfac configur oper not support socket sunopenframebuff inappropri ioctl for devic fatal server error screen found idea can fix respond mail below address advanc dan not want immort work want immort not dy woodi allen dan kirkpatrick dept electr comput engin dsk rice edu rice univers uunet rice edu dsk uunet net houston
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comp.windows.x	post script viewer recent print lot file school laser printer and feel guilti show post script viewer for window you for your student enhenc cybernat abil
comp.windows.x	forc window manag accept specif coordin for window articl bub wsinfo win tue rcb wsinfo win tue richard verhoeven write olwm and tvtwm don place titl that posit and window posit below thi becom problem you want program save current configur and restor solut xcreatewindow xsetwmproperti xmapwindow xflush xmovewindow work olwm eleg thi leav wonder overlook obviou richard that mwm resourc posit us for border window for user window window manag similar option anoth figur differ user window posit and window manag decor window posit subtract posit you us xquerytre and rememb that window manag decor window parent your window you can figur decor width and height window map thi greet tobia bade berlin
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comp.windows.x	question motif diaog shell widget vuewm dear netter notic wear creat dialog shell widget run vue vuewm for reason time creat dialog shell foreground and backgroun color compar toplevel shell not special bodi thi problem fix hardcodin color respond kamlesh salzo cari usa kamlesh
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comp.windows.x	numlock mask interfer meta compos extendchar ralph seguin rp arbortext wrote question thi mean determin state capslock and numlock alright ignor thi delv bit deeper xkeyev and found for state bunch mask check lockmask for capslock appear that numlock mask vari server server mask numlock and for meta mod mask mod mask mod mask mod mask mod mask sgi vendor server mod mask numlock solari openwindow mod mask for numlock unambigu mean determin numlock mask runtim for server for wast bandwidth and appal ignor you check keysym each kei for each modifi numlock map modifi you want bit ugli perhap thi and preced keysym us differenti capslock shiftlock for lock modifi don accept strategi for handl ambigu assign numlock map for modifi suppos found good doesn handl lock modifi that hope that help dave lapp standard disclaim etc
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comp.windows.x	hypercard for unix articl apr bernina ethz queloz bernina ethz ronald queloz write netland macintosh hypercard for unix platform advanc ron metacard hypercard program environ chun hong
comp.windows.x	forc window manag accept specif coordin for window articl bade apr athen berlin bade berlin tobia dope bade write that mwm resourc posit us for border window for user window window manag similar option anoth figur differ user window posit and window manag decor window posit subtract posit you us xquerytre and rememb that window manag decor window parent your window you can figur decor width and height window map thi anoth us getgeometri find you rel frame and translatecoordin find your window upperleft corner ethan
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comp.windows.x	load network can point direct paper not necessarili formal conduct studi discuss traffic app gener for network comparison curs base app telnet server typic buffer user keyboard input line time can client control thi ask for keystrok immedi advanc for feedback bob kline phoenix system inc bkline occ nlm nih gov voic
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rec.autos	mgb and real world sister mgb last year produc good shape bug for year sell and that sell car worthless maintain that car increas result limit avail mgb affectionado will pai for lot market mike brookbank mk king north mike mk director interopen sale mkt waterloo ontario mortic kern system inc mk canada fax
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rec.autos	mgb and real world articl apr mk mike mk mike brookbank write sister mgb last year produc good shape bug for year sell and that sell car worthless maintain that car increas result limit avail grass root motorsport long articl thi month collect specul concern wast time rubber bumper model desir origin model reason for low easi avail and fact that not good car craig mgb affectionado will pai for lot market mike brookbank mk king north mike mk director interopen sale mkt waterloo ontario mortic kern system inc mk canada fax
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rec.autos	toyota wagon articl apr pmafir inel gov russ pmafir inel gov russ brown write articl new ysu edu yfn ysu edu john daker write notic that toyota uncanni knack for design horribl ugli station wagon tercel corolla camri design aesthet sens camri wagon even uglier tercel toyota corner market ugli station wagon camri sedan had thought toyota final turn nice camri station wagon bear strong resembl hears and weird that teddi
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rec.autos	top reason love not for humor impair articl apr new brandei edu andyh chao brandei edu andrew huang write articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu jnielsen magnu ac ohio state edu john nielsen write articl apr metric tomh metric tom haapanen write chint isc nu write anoth ten reason love spectacl macho real men never bother read magazin apt critic that point read found that recommend useless and uninform write list flame war easi start wrong and claim and thorough andi you name good exampl that brought john john nielsen magnu consult you baldrick renaiss that happen peopl wasn black adder
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rec.autos	warn read for auto content that low abid citizen power protect and properti deadli forc anywher threat immin steve heracl you power steve you can don you don you shoot kid toss rock car make you good job don miss big rock and kid mean
rec.autos	chang oil articl apr progress damelio progress stephen amelio write bmoss grinch sim brent woodi moss write you screw driver and hammer and start punch hole locat and black slipperi stuff start pour you that oil drain plug nearbi foot two close hole toilet paper refil oil you refil engin oil wow can engin last oil chang don forget punch hole radiat will sprai nice refresh water engin and nice cool steve gee you make confus radiat locat will releas radiat sinc sound radia tion genera tor you punch hole hanguyen
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rec.autos	warn read tobia convex allen tobia write articl apr virginia edu ejv virginia edu erik velapoldi write thi happen year ago washington beltwai snot nose drunken kid decid cool throw huge rock car overpass car hit injuri and sadli small girl sit front seat struck head larger rock don recal made comatos for month and doctor weren hold hope that live girl and recov home don perman damag case concern hell happen thi great countri our can boyhood prank pee bridg and such pound rock societi stoop thi low erik velapold peopl start forc respons for action thing thi wouldn happen until stop blame and start blame crimin will continu thing thi happen chintan amin univers illinoi urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu neil peart quick judg quick anger slow understand ignor and prejudic and fear walk hand hand
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rec.autos	workmanship articl apr walter bellcor jchen ctt bellcor write visit auto show and two car floor eagl vision and dodg intrepid competit price workmanship quit disappoint car rubber seal window and door fell turn seal big groov rubber band press singl data point you can draw line you want bart child professor texa dept comput scienc pastor late model corolla and father stanza demonstr fall door seal problem daryl biberdorf gjm biberdorf tamu edu sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura
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rec.autos	warn read articl innfl utk edu laros austin utk edu brian laros write thi warn net watch for folk stand road overpass can harm you and your car cliff note version stori follow last night travel interst knoxvil take offramp exit anoth interst and wife suddenli scream and larg hit side truck slow back vandal stand drove polic station good gui and cock arm size cinderblock never lucki truck sit high road hit window kill polic for gui likelyhood stuff delet report that southern california sick sport for drop concret block overpass freewai person kill block windshield overpass bridg fenc and made illeg loiter such bridg that stop such peopl bridg not fenc bridg time evas action even thi sport not reach fresno greg lewi csufresno edu photojourn sequenc depart journal csu fresno fresno
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rec.autos	break pad exhaust maxima can bui thi nissan maxima gxe for cdn car mile typic mileag for car seller inform that brought car for certif told that front break pad and exhaust had replac meet legal standard will replac compon sell car copmlet ignor technic stuff car don thi mean time typic for replac mention item thi indic that car abus thing break replac seller told that us car highwai lot don verifi thi paint chip tini dot front edg hood maxima excel car and car clean and warranti similarli price accord will year worth warranti left and don want worri pai for repair bill car for peopl will maxima come your input thi repli mail prefer post thi newsgroup ryan ryan kim univers toronto eecg comput graphic rkim eecg toronto edu not weav traffic cone road work british highwai code toronto star april
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rec.autos	mgb and real world derek nezsdc icl derek tearn write peopl bought mgb bought open top sportscar and embodi peopl thought for fashion tradit brit sportscar not great pretti peopl bui mazda miata todai small fun and you can fool and lot peopl that you perform superior and expens performnac car for fairli hard run lack power sure make for handl great for back street heap corner fairli light car low center graviti and quit free rev dohc engin fun car you driven turbo convert start perform thought mazda rotari regard scott scott fisher scott psy uwa au perth local depart psycholog univers western australia perth nedland perth joi jaguar flat batteri blown oil seal and unsympathet wife small remot town cold wet winter morn
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rec.autos	break pad exhaust maxima articl apr jarvi csri toronto edu rkim eecg toronto edu ryan kim write can bui thi nissan maxima gxe for cdn automat don spec cdn spec for maxima car mile typic mileag for car seller inform that brought car for certif told that front break pad and exhaust had replac meet legal standard will replac compon sell car copmlet ignor technic stuff car don thi mean time typic for replac mention item thi indic that car abus set brake pad front thi fine car eat set mile fact that replac muffler thing break replac mileag fairli low typic fwd stuff joint check mainten record manufactur requir for valv adjust time belt and mile servic expens make seller told that us car highwai lot don verifi thi paint chip tini dot front edg hood thi commonli cite method for identifi car highwai mile check ga pedal wear set tire highwai car squeez set hard driven car set maxima excel car and car clean and warranti similarli price accord will year worth warranti left and don want worri pai for repair bill maxima pretti reliabl warranti you check knowledg stuff for japanes car can expens car for peopl will maxima come model year your input thi repli mail prefer post thi newsgroup craig ryan ryan kim univers toronto eecg comput graphic rkim eecg toronto edu not weav traffic cone road work british highwai code toronto star april
rec.autos	dumbest automot concept time articl apr cactu org boyl cactu org craig boyl write articl jnk jkt new cso uiuc edu cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc write wasn origin intent revers light for driver back revers light side revers light warn that you back aren bright typic brake and tail light don you live couldn drivewai night revers light countri you notic neat thing star and differ dai and night night hous forest tall oak dark for night full moon revers light illumin path back greatli prefer car car oper revers light jame jame callison microcomput coordin oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark uc uoknor edu disclaim not engin plai work forecast call for thunder bird hell thing kill man you and gonna will munni unforgiven
rec.autos	cizeta sbw sdcc ucsd edu sbw write happpen vener claudio enhanc pictur thi beast can ftp model thi beauti autoweek had articl car past six week issu diablo awd cover natur don rememb date issu offhand can check interest aamir qazi aamir qazi qazi csd csd uwm edu care watch dry paint
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rec.autos	saturn articl qkkl innbvo col col theckel col tim heckel for that interest fulli option air ab sunroof septemb for sacramento sold dealer had local dealer had ab equip straight fleet manag dealership like told want made awar that knew price call back exactli want dealer deliveri dai sell nissan last summer sold earli august suppli get quit scarc car black ab option pkg and power moonroof sold for tax natur manag didn care sell desir for virtual profit knowledg aamir qazi aamir qazi qazi csd csd uwm edu care watch dry paint
rec.autos	dumbest automot concept time revers light warn that you back aren bright typic brake and tail light craig perhap thi silli argument backup light for couldn agre that serv dual purpos let peopl your car that you revers and that can light area your car you back you can backup lamp current model brighter us older car tauru wagon quit bright illumin good area car and brighter earlier car and vett side backup light model perhap year two earlier and you red side marker lamp and white side marker lamp car hindquart aren white reflector harv
rec.autos	station wagon open letter nissan articl apr leland stanford edu tedebear leland stanford edu theodor chen write you never catch dead minivan even minivan base viper run gear hmmmm not sinc such beast exist can you anoth you won catch dead gmc syclon typhoon bhp not not even fact that clint eastwood tast ration reason for teddi audi get liter year car test wagon banger and speed manual rave review for servotron audi recoup develop cost for and sinc not sell stick into seri car neat market trick yeah wouldn bad idea competit for upcom bimmer can us liter version avoid conflict model strip luxo garbag remain flare arch and fat tire fight turn boost wee bit bump bhp keep merced style subtleti blah blah blah eliot
rec.autos	mgb and real world articl qlg uniwa uwa scott psy uwa scott fisher write you driven turbo convert start perform thought mazda rotari drop ford into miata somewhat reminisc shelbi cobra car not nimbl suppos weight distribut and handl love drive teddi
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rec.autos	sho and articl unisql wrat unisql wharfi write articl chrissc netcom chriss netcom chri silvest write wagon heard slightli faster coup wagon automat slower due rear end ratio automat rear end manual limit experi david david hwang univers michigan medic school wall street suit telephon ann arbor michigan internet david ganglion ann arbor
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rec.autos	aussi info usa car show swap meet australia car enthusiast australia interest american muscl car and make amc ford chrysler mopar will usa for week june chicago sun thursdai denver fridai sundai austin texa mondai fridai oklahoma citi fridai mondai anaheim california tuesdai thursdai la vega nevada fridai sundai grand canion mondai tuesdai june la angel san diego and vicin wednesdai june sundai june june south lake taho cal sundai june wednesdai june reno thursdai june san fransisco thursdai june sundai june wonder send inform car show swap meet drag meet model car show etc thi period can pomona swap meet thi year place visit car museum privat collect your collect etc bit inform appreci interest find model car scale model interst amc car interest amx javelin scrambler rebel machin and you kit plastic diecast etc and interest sell will interest can send bring you model australian high perform car you interest repli email johnt spri level unisa edu john tsimbino
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rec.autos	dumbest automot concept time nanci hayduk nanci feagan write ashtrai and cigarett lighter option head that direct post sale question ask choic cigarett liter accessori plug and anoth whether choic ashtrai cup holder geo storm cigarett lighter accessori plug option not exist bought not ash trai cup holder step direct ashtrai make conveni chang holder not complet useless jim frost jimf centerlin
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rec.autos	ford probe opinion center articl apr ncsu edu chuck eo ncsu edu chuck kesler write rear hatch pad corner wait for dai bash head corner horn button air bag spoke and not center person prefer air bag pretti take space you expect find horn toyota airbag real horn come hard can put pressur plate hope toyota doesn follow and make horn button that wouldn want fumbl for john john nielsen magnu consult you baldrick renaiss that happen peopl wasn black adder
rec.autos	rush fast articl mentor purdu edu marshatt feserv purdu edu zauber write guess wasn clear road design for speed and safe current will add saftei margin design for speed upward forget exact spec for militari vehicl that dodg powerwagon not ford tauru
rec.autos	can york taxi articl srgenprp almanb bob alman write hose dork
rec.autos	super mega automobil sight exot togeth alright beat thi automobil sight drive hair north atlanta notic run car dealership appear deal and repair older rare exot foreign sport car ford famou model ford that win race late includ man time two jensen interceptor convert hatchback porsch bore compar rest ferarri mondial prepar for race and red model that couldn identifi and bottom late convert rot rover saloon never regularli sold and showroom small italian bodi alpha romeo lancia size austin mini trunklid miss expos boot voltag regul upper left corner wall and chunk metal remov floor hand side leav trunk and taillight look round type make thi made dai graham thoma blah blah blah blah blah georgia institut technolog blah blah blah blah blah internet grahamt oit gatech edu blah blah blah blah blah
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rec.autos	rush fast articl unisql wrat unisql wharfi write articl mentor purdu edu marshatt feserv purdu edu zauber write guess wasn clear road design for speed and safe current will add saftei margin design for speed upward forget exact spec for militari vehicl that dodg powerwagon not ford tauru powerwagon vehicl that todai car can touch term high speed road hold abil
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rec.autos	nissan altima seller boyl cactu org write articl dql menudo edu thang harebel egr edu chin heng thang write recent for altima that seller for past month that true puzzl thi obviou untruth that nissan claim that altima sell car namelpl thi verbatim lee iaccoca statist dept proud that sentenc mean that total model car never sold form altima seller therebi elimin accord tauru etc thi peopl make claim that minivan outsellin impli that nissan quest murcuri villag sell chrysler mini van not thi not true stupid claim make commerci part introduct campaign for van kind bold statement make you haven even sold and thought buick and oldsmobil bad shame you nissan and mercuri interpret craig anyht car sold for past month toni
rec.autos	rec auto disconcert name thi group
rec.autos	opel owner peopl opel calibra
rec.autos	fast articl qqv usenet in cwru edu aa cwru edu andrew spencer write previou articl callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu jame callison articl usenet in cwru edu aa cwru edu andrew spencer write previou articl wrat unisql wharfi that show you brake sho inch forget disc vent front normal tauru setup smaller disc front drum rear had vent rear lot sale man fool titanium wheel yeah told magnesium believ crap sinc uch cheaper and good tend agre tho that thi doesn sho standard for run regular basi brake bigger corrado brake regul bird comput control adjust suspens wheel ab disk vent front rear point rear vent belt sturdi passeng compart aerodynam good for nascar chang supercharg wheel independ suspens limit slip differenti top speed excess mph and ride rate tire find speed rate that standard not not jame hate thi read damn post you shouldn answer damn question awar fact that mention never bird mention discuss sho and stang not spec not bird that spec quot for sho previou poster sound anem for that snuff thi not disencourag wish make bad car mean that ford ad that extra bit safeti and toss larger brake wheel plenti larg for fit memori serv not and motor plenti power point that and sho similar characterist front and rear disk ab sho high output wheel independ suspens good aerodynam point har fat rubber and mph top speed standard and isn that flamag curious jame jame callison microcomput coordin oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark uc uoknor edu disclaim not engin plai work forecast call for thunder bird hell thing kill man you and gonna will munni unforgiven
rec.autos	plymouth sundanc dodg shadow experi anoth user recent request info shadow sundanc car haven public respons peopl experi car daryl daryl biberdorf gjm biberdorf tamu edu sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura
rec.autos	chang oil bobml mxmsd msd measurex bob lagess write long silli discuss delet and you bother remov drain plug you remov dipstick and suck your mouth and spit thi suggest isn fetch sound year ago anoth time and place us oil boat power automot engin case sort trai oil pan box bottom hull and floation chamber each side and you you spill oil for back us small pump power electr drill suck oil dipstick hole long thin hose inlet side design fit dipstick tube and anoth thicker shorter hose outlet side that you put into conveni contain gadget marin hardwar supplier you want mart moll comput system research institut univers toronto toronto canada
rec.autos	warn read articl jgc ajj dove nist gov kei starchild ncsl nist gov lawrenc kei write thi isn back drive high overpass night san diego caught glimps overpass pass rock slam metal winshield and front window girlfriend seat call polic exit doubt found year ago san diego put into coma brick thrown sunroof drive and subsequ crash don coma and haven heard for coupl year that thi isn group for sinc you brought idea haven bomb waco cult children minor fact that defend peopl attack haven threaten attack compound year promiscu religi nut not constitut ground for mass murder koresh and follow for post thi thi group thought previou post need rebutt you follow thi portion cross post and direct follow up newsgroup boyd johnson nosc spectra johnson san diego california intermitt newsfe and select group opinion don match employ
rec.autos	us bmw question articl apr edu rpaturi eng edu ravi write dy answer for price poloci dealer san jose california move caal you move alabama california sympathi year model descript milag price black good manual cassett sun roof white aboov make that mainten record oil chang month mileag car fine that valv engin valv bmw name didn you line for jump phil mueller pamuel ingr pamuel ingr ama dod suzuki bandit bmw
rec.autos	saturn puzzl price articl mar magnu ac ohio state edu jnielsen magnu ac ohio state edu john nielsen write articl pcgv armori centerlin jimf centerlin jim frost write jnielsen magnu ac ohio state edu john nielsen write want lowest price call capit new for you capit practic maxim profit differ you lower your cost you increas your profit person not bother saturn price scheme don want pai sell for can bui car dealer and noth that competit for you dealer can competit charg and make that kind profit that capit and power consum dictat thing will cost not dealer dictat cost negoti whether front honda dealership dicker war remov larger econom scale saturn can sell price price drop compani stop build remain negoti control market forc that consum control price ludicr consum control price car free and build car regard charl span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.autos	build toyota badg car thi appear todai japan econom journal report plan build toyota badg car for sale japan bruce macdonald corpor commun yesterdai confirm that presid and ceo jack smith had meet recent tatsuro toyoda presid toyota thi meet two discuss busi opportun increas export japan includ compon sale complet vehicl sale part sale two presid agre conceptu pursu arrang build toyota badg hand drive vehicl for sale toyota japan work group form final model specif exact time and detail
rec.autos	chang oil articl apr new brandei edu andyh chao brandei edu andrew huang write articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu sorlin magnu ohio state edu steven orlin write electrod amp ohm volt meter and connect each earlob symmetr insert finger each spark plug boot cheat gui hand us coupl question thi techniqu fire order us start pointer finger pinki left hand place your hand flat tabl and arrang fire order left and secondli cyl and two cylind unaccount for suggest you friend don you cylind excit person can
rec.autos	bmw seri for articl qll innp uwm edu qazi csd csd uwm edu aamir hafeez qazi write articl eabu dialin slip nt uci edu eabu orion oac uci edu alvin bmw isn liter six suppos enlarg liter not distant futur make sens sinc merced benz engin noth btw beleiv number engin and upmanship induc bmw creat larger six lag for time wrt bavarian wouldn want shown schwabian engin haven releas daniel
rec.autos	warn read articl constel ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu jame callison write hear screw car set alarm and taunt come you can damn that colt delta elit will come not screw car that shot potenti physic danger taunt that that intend rob and physic harm thing houston last year woman heard sound garag investig gun hand found gui process steal bicycl quit ask stop refus began taunt and woman quot polic report told ahead and shoot moron surviv and charg file woman
rec.autos	rush fast good driver terrifi mph thing fear driver switch left lane rear view mirror flasher ain rush for fun and want faster defens driver lane state peopl simpli not expect drive overtaken speed differenti mph don thi stupid except program mph limit you state you rear view calcul futur posit car base speed differenti dont wrong love drive left lane fast overtak car slow tad bit reli judgement car recogn speed differenti stupid btw for
rec.autos	squeekin window consum report onc wrote blazer that shook and rattl tire taxi cab nois that expeci irrit back window squeak tailgat assembl and window not solid had problem and you found fix arlen martin microelectron att attm stcarm
rec.autos	mazda not feel articl mxm msi umn edu mxm msi umn edu ram mohan write mazda mile recent not good feel road esp wet pavement drive car feel car wander and grip road tire origin and thread pass penni head test had shock and strut and align check and thing fine feel that dont grip road and feel car wander esp turn thi appreci two shot check tire you can wear bar you problem area and tire pass penni test bar that guid your problem wet call hydroplan you not tread left channel water tire fishi you lift road tire ag soft tire compound harder you put heat cycl harder compound don grip soft effect notic tire that hot such competit hit tire bob benson
rec.autos	rush fast gwm spl spl loral gari mahan write good driver terrifi mph thing fear driver switch left lane rear view mirror flasher ain rush for fun and want faster defens driver lane state peopl simpli not expect drive overtaken speed differenti mph don thi stupid except program mph limit you state you rear view calcul futur posit car base speed differenti dont wrong love drive left lane fast overtak car slow tad bit reli judgement car recogn speed differenti stupid btw for good work gui afteral cop occupi that lesser mortal can left alon bhaskar orion uiuc edu
rec.autos	dumbest automot concept time articl drutx att klf druwa att franklinkl write articl hhgm constel ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu jame callison write articl apr slc slb dcd houston geoquest slb dan dai write articl innb ctron new ctron smith ctron write big aftermarket busi almost car come factori vynal and fake convert job aftermarket place amaz peopl will pai for bad tast ugli fake wheel compart stuck trunk side side tacki luxuri car aren fake you talk continent kit name lincoln continent car sport person love bird continent kit and supercharg that beauti car built imho jame continent modern era auto mount spare rear car car sport mount techniqu for rear mount spare quit common earli automobil and foreign lincoln continent car sport continent kit continent kit not confus old mount bracket continent kit specif ornament storag compart continent neat trunk laundri hamper imho jame jame callison microcomput coordin oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark uc uoknor edu disclaim not engin plai work forecast call for thunder bird hell thing kill man you and gonna will munni unforgiven
rec.autos	sho and articl apr ganglion ann arbor david ganglion ann arbor david hwang write articl unisql wrat unisql wharfi write articl chrissc netcom chriss netcom chri silvest write wagon heard slightli faster coup wagon automat slower due rear end ratio automat rear end manual limit experi you fun for rear end gear sho tauru front wheel drive vehicl back and check articl sho wagon quicker sho automat significantli slower real sho order sho automat transmiss you can handl stick you stick regular tauru and leav sho real driver that not that aren real driver can us stick disabl person aren posit us sho will bet that remov automat transmiss perform type car mustang camaro and cut number accid each year auto fine for sedat sedan busi perform car imho jame jame callison microcomput coordin oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark uc uoknor edu disclaim not engin plai work forecast call for thunder bird hell thing kill man you and gonna will munni unforgiven
rec.autos	thi good price will bui honda civic coup dealer for includ instal not includ stereo tax registr fee live mexico don time lot dealer and compar price dealer mcallen thi good price for that car not pai for mail asap you don want post lot orlando puglies opugli mtecv mty itesm orlando puglies instituto tecnologico estudio superior monterrei depto informacion academica monterrei mexico ext
rec.autos	plymouth sundanc dodg shadow experi articl qmq tinn tamsun tamu edu dlb tamut tamu edu daryl biberdorf write anoth user recent request info shadow sundanc car haven public respons peopl experi car daryl pretti junk stai will replac year model
rec.autos	car bui stori christ anoth dealer servic scam articl apr newsgat sp mot markm bigfoot sp mot mark monning thi kind behavior shock experi for cry loud turkei can talk custom thi and stai busi don expect sale peopl bow scrape and grovel presenc don expect abus surpris sale peopl talk and negoti session overheard neighbor sale cubicl evid success rate high that continu busi thi lot peopl easi intimid coupl month ago dealership test drive car sat discuss price explain that want car drove color exactli want dealer network dai negoti price and sign deal dai call explain that goof and had neglect into account price increas last price increas had occur month prior visit want car fork anoth altern honor price bought car test drove had sit for month and had mile goodby thi good exampl can lowbal you and cover butt bad peopl don demand honesti type dealer longer busi dealership straightforward and honest thing salesman let you for dealer cost and work profit make deal problem steve
rec.autos	electron odomet articl megatest alung megatest aaron lung write not mistaken alter odomet illeg surmis tough alter bmw odomet you newer bmw electron odomet make even tamperproof car mention seri late electron odomet mechan drum type odomet that driven puls speed sensor rear axl puls convert into mechan puls that turn odomet and speedomet chang eras eprom chang mileag read mean odomet easi hard chang mechan odomet hand bit easier disconnect speed sensor and run car speedomet odomet read simpl switch will job will disabl speed limit will enabl car reach full speed alan peterman work qiclab scn rain odd older dai longer year shorter
rec.autos	insur car total wednesdai morn anoth driver decid illeg turn left front great damag car honda civic pai car and bodi shop insur compani total car haven touch person handl claim check thing payout blue book retail loan trade give advic insur compani not give reason amount for loss car jame baker baker dfwvx dalla geoquest slb
rec.autos	option that great list option that can exist option car thing you tripmet great gadget let you rough track mileag make good second guesser for your ga gaug full size spare built mount and power system for radar detector fit that you gener household current engin run and plug in trunk engin compart and cabin feel free add regard charl span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.autos	dumb option list idea list pointless option you stuff you car that earthli us power window add you regard charl span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.autos	rush fast previou articl gwm spl spl loral gari mahan good driver terrifi mph thing fear driver switch left lane rear view mirror flasher ain rush for fun and want faster defens driver lane state peopl simpli not expect drive overtaken speed differenti mph don thi stupid except program mph limit you state you rear view calcul futur posit car base speed differenti dont wrong love drive left lane fast overtak car slow tad bit reli judgement car recogn speed differenti stupid satiat curios thi make you stupid awar you not calcul futur posit you your mirror you glanc you will faster you car not precis you you pass you talk driver startl startl driver cruis mph doin problem not fault for barrel fault for not pai attent task hand that oddli sinc time happen had liscenc for haven startl and pass car roughli twice speed car anoth odd occur fact that thi happen long trip and drive doesn happen even long trip adrenalin will that you had bad cop experi speed limit adren for scare caught rais limit can pai attent curiou and otwo drew
rec.autos	squeekin window arlen martin arm cbnewsm att wrote consum report onc wrote blazer that shook and rattl tire taxi cab nois that expeci irrit back window squeak tailgat assembl and window not solid had problem and you found fix can relat thi greas point etc greas two cheap hing tailgat quiet for time greas work hing hing pin made penni nail anoth vibrat wors ag and that vibrat transmiss gear mile bought treat easili fast road stuff can build chevi us ford explor nice you price jim burril
rec.autos	saturn price polici order saturn import frankli saturn busi and servic big hadn bought car sinc bought honda back and unbeliev offend salespeopl met saturn made visit dealer bought car and never pressur saturn had sale support and fix price made easi for decid exactli want bui anoth big sell point run into mechan dealer fix import for year and bought saturn base and heard custom saturn good extend warranti program for year mile fulli refund you don us that work actual cost base year treasuri rate save account rate year bui you free rental warranti work count refund mike
rec.autos	sho and articl constel ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu jame callison write articl apr ganglion ann arbor david ganglion ann arbor david hwang write articl unisql wrat unisql wharfi write articl chrissc netcom chriss netcom chri silvest write order sho automat transmiss you can handl stick you stick regular tauru and leav sho real driver that not that aren real driver can us stick disabl person aren posit us sho will bet that remov automat transmiss perform type car mustang camaro and cut number accid each year auto fine for sedat sedan busi perform car imho jame disagre thi and speed auto overdr and that chevi auto reknown for long life and abil handl copiou amount power live dalla area and manual harder drive traffic live stick us manual fun safeti wise auto distract hate shift gear eas into traffic freewai perform wise can hold stock mustang camaro speed thi imho robert loper infin notion contempl robertl flopn dseg warm bed texa instrument inc opinion not
rec.autos	fast articl qkon armori centerlin jimf centerlin jim frost write larger engin that sho slightli modifi famili sedan power engin didn even bother improv brake that show you brake sho inch forget disc vent front normal tauru setup smaller disc front drum rear your argument boil sho shouldn driven fast jim frost isn design fast pffffftttttt you you don pai attent post damn straight you peopl make stuff and pawn god truth want li can listen televis wharf rat
rec.autos	can york taxi articl ncrcan canada ncr tnelson ncrcan canada ncr tim nelson write older taxi made checker car compani and love checker car compani busi checker motor busi hard checker that worth restor sinc almost fleet vehicl that driven into ground you can bodi decent shape mechan checker us part for instanc had chevi straight six and gmc truck radiat and ford rear mine model that for checker marathon you want checker special you can find good luck mine
rec.autos	differ insur compani rate bui car call insur compani california estim ask for coverag and deduct compani charg you your zip code charg your citi gave zip code and citi place found for integra aaa state farm allstat aaa profit expect receiv back end year huge gap compani state farm twice allstat suspici never heard complain comment gregg kasten gregg stanford edu
rec.autos	honda accord brake problem joni ciarletta write honda accord hit magic mile mark and sort thing begin bad latest problem experienc brake stop car fine onc stop complet brake pedal will sink anoth inch feel strang and worri brake will quit work dai check brake fluid and reservoir full fluid look dirti dirti oil call mechan and told brake master cylind will cost whop you not alon honda accord mile start show behavior replac brake master cylind hour and cost beat pai want rebuild master cylind put rebuilt cost for rebuild kit honda brake master cylind easi two bolt attach engin compart two brake line enter master cylind tricki part that brake line stuck tight craftsmen open end wrench round bolt head had us vise grip loosen sucker wow invent sinc slice bread that easi bolt part place add brake fluid and bleed brake thi quit easi even for beginn local auto part store had repair manual for honda accord had detail diagram master brake cylind and step step procedur for replac
rec.autos	option that great previou articl parr ac ucalgari charl parr list option that can exist option car thing you tripmet great gadget let you rough track mileag make good second guesser for your ga gaug full size spare built mount and power system for radar detector fit that you gener household current engin run and plug in trunk engin compart and cabin feel free add power window dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
rec.autos	manual shift bigot ego regard shift abil big order car auto tran wasn plan drive convinc thing chang sinc dai slip slide with powerglid shift clutch wear honda want for wagon last year for cost ga milag highwai and make easier concentr radio car oddli two friend auto industri motor citi switch wholeheartedli auto wive insist manual shift envi braggadocio todai technolog and warranti hand auto tran excel choic call convert mike
rec.autos	saturn manual transmiss problem articl crdnn crd cimjfg utica write trip dealer admittedli patient admittedli noth dealer follow bulletin and review proper shife procedur owner attempt satisfact custom number round doesn sound hope surpris local case gui saturn back time complain hadn properli elimin rattl nois saturn gave car call that number
rec.autos	fast previou articl wrat unisql wharfi articl qkon armori centerlin jimf centerlin jim frost write larger engin that sho slightli modifi famili sedan power engin didn even bother improv brake that show you brake sho inch forget disc vent front normal tauru setup smaller disc front drum rear had vent rear lot sale man fool titanium wheel yeah told magnesium believ crap sinc uch cheaper and good tend agre tho that thi doesn sho standard for run regular basi brake bigger corrado brake regul drew
rec.autos	sho and previou articl moe dseg robert loper articl constel ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu jame callison write articl apr ganglion ann arbor david ganglion ann arbor david hwang write articl unisql wrat unisql wharfi write articl chrissc netcom chriss netcom chri silvest write order sho automat transmiss you can handl stick you stick regular tauru and leav sho real driver that not that aren real driver can us stick disabl person aren posit us sho will bet that remov automat transmiss perform type car mustang camaro and cut number accid each year auto fine for sedat sedan busi perform car imho jame disagre thi and speed auto overdr and that chevi auto reknown for long life and abil handl copiou amount power live dalla area and manual harder drive traffic live stick us manual fun safeti wise auto distract hate shift gear eas into traffic freewai perform wise can hold stock mustang camaro speed thi imho disagre your love dalla rush hour stick detest auto time auto dall rush hour noth hear live persuas and for record rare you shift gear merg into traffic that speed good for good time you can wind not hurt and powerband shift into top gear you exceed redlin fairli rare you drive ferrari such bet you hit cruis speed you feel comfort mother sit passang seat complain you wind poor engin drew
rec.autos	dent car you turn polic you accid report and send your insur compani and will contact gui insur compani and will pai accid caus court friend mine thi and monei work
rec.autos	ultim awd vehicl articl bcd ec umass edu sylvest ec umass edu write call turbo quattro thi model come wagon quick wagon rare mike sylvest umass turbo quattro wagon mondai thought audi stop sell wagon thi exactli type vehicl bet price time car budget ron deblock rdb homxb att that number rdb not letter bell lab somerset usa
rec.autos	legal car bui problem rboudri chpc org rob boudri write articl stratu swdc stratu bob runwai swdc stratu bob hutson write agre term sign contract and drove home car that night notic that term term had agre made stupid mistak not check contract thi happen last saturdai heard that cool law allow dai reconsid contract thi true can point law transact happen dealership matter thi cool period appli situat lik ewhen you solicit home cool period end you accept merchandis thi not case car buyer return slightli us highli devalu car dai bui yeah that trick want bui car firend bui return and negoti deal pre own us car you agre term and sign dealer slip you contract term and lead you that embodi term you verbal agre that fraud dai limit restitut for fraud you sue and win thi you will almost threaten sue john oswalt jao megatest jao netcom
rec.autos	legal car bui problem articl apr chpc org rboudri chpc org rob boudri write articl stratu swdc stratu bob runwai swdc stratu bob hutson write agre term sign contract and drove home car that night notic that term term had agre made stupid mistak not check contract thi happen last saturdai heard that cool law allow dai reconsid contract thi true can point law transact happen dealership matter thi cool period appli situat lik ewhen you solicit home cool period end you accept merchandis thi not case car buyer return slightli us highli devalu car dai bui yeah that trick want bui car firend bui return and negoti deal pre own us car for discuss purpos hand can proven chang term thrown question will whether agreement contain merger claus ucc parol evid talk warranti ucc look inform that can conclus daniel reitman uniform commerci code protect innoc purchas not shield for sly conniv blindli naiv hopelessli gullibl atla auto rental corp weisberg misc citi civ
rec.autos	rush fast dont wrong love drive left lane fast overtak car slow tad bit reli udgement car recogn speed differenti stupid satiat curios thi make you stupid awar you not couldnt agre that work peopl motorcycl constantli scan wink mirror and two mirror spend time check six cop you caught guard and didnt word time that you plan blow high speed differenti and you assum you safe gui see you you stupid depend circumst had scari instanc assum thi and dont fault gui that stori
rec.autos	dumb option list previou articl parr ac ucalgari charl parr idea list pointless option you stuff you can car that earthli us fit that you gener household current engin run and plug in trunk engin compart and cabin feel free add regard charl span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.autos	rush fast previou articl gwm spl spl loral gari mahan dont wrong love drive left lane fast overtak car slow tad bit reli udgement car recogn speed differenti stupid satiat curios thi make you stupid awar you not couldnt agre that work peopl motorcycl constantli scan wink mirror and two mirror spend time check six cop you caught guard and didnt word time that you plan blow high speed differenti and you assum you safe gui see you you stupid depend circumst had scari instanc assum thi and dont fault gui that stori can agre thi prove ideal suppos happen isn and even rear pass don make you stupid agre that you you safe gui suppos pai attent you dumb dumber hasta drew
rec.autos	dumbest automot concept time articl new ysu edu yfn ysu edu john daker cup holder drive important undertak ashtrai smoker fine us road absenc cuphold not gonna discourag eat drink car put don distract not spill you not smoker cold dai take skill toss butt crack window wind deflect into back seat smoker us window doesn mean thi remind pleasant featur ergonom hellish interior alfa romeo milano you ash your cigarett even remov your hand wheel trai fake convert roof and vinyl roof gold trim will agre abomin fake continent spare tire kit sad watch ladi load groceri into trunk that huge tire medallion piti fake convert top cadillac cimarron chrome door trim visibl not fool that hyundai excel onc laszlo csd csd uwm edu redhead afficionado extraordinair and canadia minist fine tobacco cigaret brand sampl import luxuri handrol opinion not necessarili mine mine can bum sig
rec.autos	dumbest automot concept tim articl mar uncavx unca edu bwillard uncavx unca edu wrote saab ignit floor thi start great idea steer column lock popular saab instal gearshift lock put car revers remov kei and car stai revers suppos you into your car and thug come and demand your kei gunpoint you hand get and idea put kei thi will run perhap shoot you heard thi happen btw hear that saab successor will ignit consol seat belong laszlo csd csd uwm edu redhead afficionado extraordinair and canadia minist fine tobacco cigaret brand sampl import luxuri handrol opinion not necessarili mine mine can bum sig
rec.autos	nissan altima seller articl innaft cronkit central sun dbernard clesun central sun write puzzl thi obviou untruth that nissan claim that altima sell car namelpl thi verbatim lee iaccoca statist dept proud that sentenc note that corolla prism design hei not namepl guess nissan doesn even sell altima toyota corolla namepl qualifi waiiiiiit isn nissan offici regist car govern paperwork nissan stanza altima avoid costli and lengthi paperwork read thi net ago and stanza logo altima you can wai spiro spiro triantafyllopoulo kocrsv delcoelect softwar technolog delco electron hugh electron kokomo post armm
rec.autos	dumbest automot concept tim articl apr exu ericsson exulox exu ericsson lass ohlsson tdt write articl ca org sdm ca org write imho dumbest thing copi japanes move dimmer switch floor lever control turn signal cruis feder govern mandat that passeng car model year return floor mount dimmer switch studi nation highwai traffic safeti administr nhtsa found that unaccept percentag dusk collis direct result unskil driver get left foot stuck steer wheel ron gaskin reg koptsw delcoelect automot electron system delco electron hugh electron kokomo ron gaskin reg koptsw delcoelect automot electron system delco electron hugh electron kokomo
rec.autos	warn read articl agat berkelei edu anarr berkelei edu brian harvei write rfelix netcom robbi felix write thousand kind teenag volunt local agenc children senior homeless hear hear robbi you don read that violenc teenag such georg bush buri aliv ten thousand unarm iraqi year old surrend bulldoz hand true singl teenag for blame that violenc social accept us discourag violenc plenti work peopl ag didn georg drive bulldoz
rec.autos	toyota land cruiser worth respons post suv unsolicit recommend check land cruiser despit astronom price toyota dealer told cult car car good creat passion and loyal extraordinari you land crusher cultist your chanc convert jonathan edward edward intranet intranet inc base experi hard top jeep style model give model consider market older model built toyota lost mind assum proven that newer model inherit not qualiti ancestor two major differ run gear that awar studi solid front axl hous newer model independ front suspens solid axl theoret stronger and reliabl newer model experi will independ front suspens doubt compromis made satisfi typic user will never real util vehicl second differ type transfer case us newer model not tioyota full time wheel drive system older landcruis lock type advantag and disadvantag paul hovnanian hovnania atc boe std disclaim appli
rec.autos	car saftei import jnielsen magnu ac ohio state edu john nielsen write articl armori centerlin jimf centerlin jim frost write tcorkum bnr trevor corkum write figur that mph collis into brick wall aren common for spend that extra monei for protect lot low speed collis that worri into mph accid and you reconsid and scarei life car handel insur not happen you glad you safe car grant test aren perfect car that test car that horribl you rais valid point tradeoff monei you want spend for that kind protect you bui volvo saab benz and good crash protect and luxuri you pai significantli for case question car budget even high speed head collis benefici item you can good point seatbelt nowadai you airbag you point belt you ad safeti benefit that for and can had inexpens car jim frost jimf centerlin
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rec.autos	warn read callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu jame callison write not argu issu carri weapon you you thought shoot kid for set your alarm can wors thing world glad you give you reason fire your gun peopl kill defend properti not honest you care scum your car
rec.autos	sho and articl constel ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu jame callison write order sho automat transmiss you can handl stick you stick regular tauru and leav sho real driver that not that aren real driver can us stick disabl person aren posit us sho disabl person drive scca race care make sweep gener prefer manual transmiss earli sho had aw transmiss that felt truck almost make want automat teddi
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rec.autos	buick heater control buick skylark bought california and for anoth year problem indiana winter heater control don work car vacuum oper control switch for vent stuck vent mode will blow warm air can switch air flow floor can live thi defrost can live thi jam air deflector defrost posit thi blow lot air face and kind put vacuum cleaner revers part dash and look vacuum system and problem part two diaphragm control and insid air flow diaphragm control vent side vent air crack and damag advanc ag car two question awar thi fact that move indiana event that replac diaphragm aren fix thi for advic info selah dan loval physic purdu edu
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rec.motorcycles	oop ranck ranck joesbar edu wrote hate admit thi and mental kick for rode brand home last fridai night mile rain and dark problem home and put center stand dai push center stand prepar for friend hous pose you guess and land side scratch lower fair crack mirror and crack upper fair damn stupid cost local bodi shop fix and that fair for that cheaper mirror alon bought replac bmw you cheap sister boyfriend such incess pain ass want ride bike jose that final lindner bmw canaan last fall had nice us perfect condit tell shop norton war stori fifteen year ago sign liabil waiver and get pre flight not quit walk pizza shop street feel good made sister boyfriend happi and persist wanker ass for good heard horrend racket engin tortur red line and crash peopl run obviou sourc disturb jeff lai bmw rear wheel spin wildli and grope for kill switch stare disbelief slice hang mouth matti shop manag slid besid and ask friend steve shit matti wors that flh jeff hadn made inch wit lift feet let clutch and graviti jeff claim that clutch didn engag matti quick jeff stutter embarrass shock manag snatch jeff credit card for quick imprint and signatur twenti minut jeff color had pale flush matti present estim for bust mirror and hairlin crack fair that for fix crack and mask damag area not fair bui bike not happen sister split jeff shortli hook anoth piec work that matti told ran charg decemb and that uncontest stephen mane mane magpi linknet mane and associ york usa
rec.motorcycles	miracl california articl ppvof east sun egreen east sun write biker wave biker world whether not harlei rider wave biker favorit flame war happi that harlei rider area that flame ride lowli sport bike and girlfriend recipi twenti wave group twenti harlei rider lead group sport bike time cbr vfr initi wave not perfect dai and friendli rider despit brand differ made randi davi email randi megatek pilot uunet ucsd megatek randi dod
rec.motorcycles	dod paraphernalia articl pppnrinnitg cronkit central sun doc webrid central sun steve buni wrote decal thicker vinyl geeki temporari tatoo mean rub exempt razz john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	miracl california wave that courtesi nod wave meet biker ride lot good thing mood ride lot fun special you hei great dai for ride isn wonder that can spend time road dai thi gestur sunni todai for time week bike for spin local salvag yard bike shop ran into peopl for similar reason thi great stretch road side street lotsa lean bend impromptu coffe and bullshit run puyallup batch peopl didn kinda peopl nonetheless fellow comment admir bike hei not you ride that you ride long wheel and engin thing maven eskimo internet maven mavenri altcit eskimo usenet maven mavenri alternet
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride articl wkbp eskimo maven eskimo norman hamer write gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow drink for drink hour drink for drink hour drink for rest fairli cautiou guidelin and will work even you happen low toler bodi mass cop and don you dare drink drive commerci will drink gener drink and hr you legal limit watch mike mike muis mjmuis watstar uwaterloo quot joke electr engin univers waterloo disclaim fear
rec.motorcycles	insect impact articl hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write helmetless peopl horseback not fast and enjoi eat bug bit fast dirtbik terrain and eat fli you jeep you suppos windscreen snow ski bug and poepl fast wear goggl helmetless motorcyclist question stand cruiser rider neglig helmet stand highwai mph buggi summer even helmetless goggleless green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	miracl california articl dtx jut ccc amdahl bw dut ccc amdahl brian simmon write thi isn big deal you rais south and part cultur heritag wave passersbi wave side road pass car drove wave nod rais index finger steer wheel peopl wave drove rais south and can attest that thi true hot dai walk road good ol boi truck toss cold beer mph time prove thi wasn fluke happen ride wednesdai unsolicit wave wow biker wave biker world whether not harlei rider wave biker favorit flame war green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	cultur enquiri articl ugg cmptrc lonestar org irwin cmptrc lonestar org irwin arnstein write articl phuse sixgun east sun egreen east sun write articl aber azw aber andi woodward write two question that fascin check you local blue light special for sale live redneck call redneck origin slang refer sunburn neck obtain perform honest work outdoor neck distinguish peopl shirt protect chest and back pale elitist wealthi idiot quest for darker skin pigment badg leisur time overdo and full bodi sunburn us back mind make live ignor and intoler group level understand tuba irwin honk computrac richardson irwin cmptrc lonestar org dod that sound close mind intoler attitud not redneck walk shoe stereotyp limit ignor righteou open mind ag lover great planet earth ignor red neck don correl don that redneck cultur you can call that necessarili inferior superior gotta beer make sens thing you preach toler and conserv jack water dod don fear thief night that come afternoon asleep that worri
rec.motorcycles	carri crutch live previou articl pooder rchland vnet ibm don fearn broke leg two place not motorcycl accid car accid woulda thunk put crutch gretchen rear rack get metal rod pull fridai and back crutch for six week crutch handlebar sound aesthet pleas you attach knee rebuilt back street bike asap put crutch rack and passeng seat and hung back long make ti tight front and problemo fast chanc mike
rec.motorcycles	kawi zephyr vision gpz articl apr pro haven ct shadow pro haven ct write apr organpip uug arizona edu asphaug lpl arizona edu erik asphaug write short live zephyr essenti gpz zephyr discontinu heard problem name never hear don sold north american ride standard sport bike want bigger peopl walk into dealership and and spring extra buck for bigger engin bruce clark environ mail bclark galaxi gov
rec.motorcycles	daemon child previou articl svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda articl apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write wait minut noemi and satan wow and such nice boi rcr and noemi make cuddl not kotl you talk bout noemi make big bore hand gun and extrem weird thi babe rode csr across desert and borrow death ride don fuck man your make big mistak fast chanc mike
rec.motorcycles	identifi thi bike for articl apr ucsu colorado edu coburnn spot colorado edu nichola coburn write thought hawk modifi two brother race not that made thi huge tank for addition told quit firmli honda sale servic weeni that larger tank for hawk hawk puni gal tank interest decent aftermarket solut love gal tank curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
rec.motorcycles	cultur enquiri articl stafford stafford winona msu edu stafford vax winona msu edu john stafford write articl mar aber azw aber andi woodward wrote two question that fascin you easili fascin redneck call redneck you call welch south southeastern farmer neck perman damag sunburn sun you that never set british empir and never shine wale thi despic lie sunni juli made note diari never wrong ride harlei don drive pick truck and shoot biker enlighten visit last answer incoher splutter you deserv john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli you chanc ride harlei feel your neck calamin lotion good told get bore wind american bomb fish barrel haaaaaaaaaaav niiiiiiiiiiiiiiic daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaai andi
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl zkcl fgc cso uiuc edu eric cso uiuc edu cbr write post counterst faq thi aw time debat push handl motorcycl foward turn left and can explain thi happen post faq convert eric hmm thi outrigg
rec.motorcycles	demento articl mar brown edu jdk brown edu jennet kirschenbaum write haven heard demento year plai station prov such wbcn love pai for ship and record show bore fart prefer breez salt lake citi wonderfulli cataton want station back flight bag girli sexi voic morn show
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rec.motorcycles	cultur enquiri articl pcl bigboot wpi edu ravi vanilla wpi edu ravi narayan write previou articl groh fsu edu azw aber andi woodward write ride harlei can you lucki told that peopl can harlei ride name tod johnson jump indiscreet mind laz what you us ride sig piec mail fool ravi narayan wpi end and flame suzukig phaedra ravi you harlei lot spare yuppi bought coupl year ago pose wine bar rode mile and walk rest call taxi home and back porsch load cheap mile clock take coast halt cheer andi you class peopl
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride articl apr galaxi gov bclark galaxi gov write articl wkbp eskimo maven eskimo norman hamer write drink ride gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow even half beer will increas your confid slug your reaction and judgement not hard stai aliv for length time stack odd not ride
rec.motorcycles	live articl apr unbvm csd unb unb write articl apr eo arc nasa gov phil eo arc nasa gov phil stone write for compliment allan you sidestep point didn didn chanc sheesh get bed morn riski sprain ankl damn late for climb meet morn bed bother that foot asleep remind fold underneath crunch metatars lucki brake funni ride london leg held aloft climb wasnt problem splint world tight climb shoe
rec.motorcycles	protect gear articl apr galaxi gov bclark galaxi gov write articl wkf eskimo maven eskimo norman hamer write protect gear import good helmet shoei and good thick jacket leather gold and pair cheap leather glove purchas glove boot leather pant you can rememb tuck properli bit that punish gear you will your feet hip and knee boot trouser glove come last long you control pull your arm you tuck not good glove hand easili wreck you put steadi your fall mph bit heal easier onc you fulli cover you longer tuck lie back and enjoi ride mean contradictori answer you
rec.motorcycles	dod list membership dod list copi us command finger motohead colorado edu mail motohead colorado edu you send mail make your line correct man vacat will not fix mail problem mine and publicli world bad mailer you scan mail find bounc will not wast time answer your question request for you that want updat your entri contact kotl kotl can make stop bother inan mail will not dod rec motorcycl not give laszlo nemeth laszlo colorado edu hei tool work yeah you can quot that elef sun flashback free drug dod uid
rec.motorcycles	round two articl serval net wsu edu bill wsuaix csc wsu edu william john write good sam brick deliv class postag door expens bet chang polici mail list can us facil quickli and lord god almighti part sky and make person appear board director meet chang polici odd equal curiou brick will send thi situatiion clear satisfact suspect you extrem lucki you green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	anoth question synthet engi articl apr portho bellcor fist iscp bellcor richard pierson write two year ago work for conrail mechan emd and power unit train engin never chang oil filter rememb artic larg engin oil requir and wai prolong life oil run heat presur chamber water and volitil boil thi made such long term usag oil practic isn discoveri channel great curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	identifi thi bike for bike todai and want let begin that rear end defin hawk addition had cbr style tank full fair and tach thought hawk modifi two brother race not that made thi huge tank for addition gaug not hawk look gaug bike look for rear singl side swingarm and wheel straight hawk for you boulder doder park engin center todai white light green stripe nick coburn dod ama cbr cbr coburnn spot colorado edu
rec.motorcycles	daemon child articl apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write wait minut noemi and satan wow and such nice boi rcr and noemi make cuddl not kotl dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot bad bone concour mmmmmmmmmm bad bone ring ding woop univers fear ama dod cog chicago denizen warcri
rec.motorcycles	speed ticket chp paraphras initi post can fight speed ticket court repli fight your ticket california edit david brown berkelei nolo press second edit not ucb librari good luck abd
rec.motorcycles	for sale brand top end chamber clean black paul not contact thi email address contact seller cheer dave
rec.motorcycles	cat and dog articl gate gpd ryang pgh ryang ryang pgh robert yang write feel silli rob appologis matter fact thi remind bring found consist dog time not and bike anywher and will chase bite and kill instructor onc sound bike painful ear silli thi seam option arrizen net wisdom curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	auction diana bra articl apr adob cjackson adob curti jackson write thing you bike geeki sticker park local white wine quich and fern bar hei quich even your note spell assum correctli you sniff tough gui mommi curti make fun fern
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride articl wkbp eskimo maven eskimo norman hamer write gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow put vote for bike take lot involv and for not want accid fault rememb artic review radio bike not had state that bike tend faster music good agre felt thi and thi not physic impar drink emot lift music rule ecolog never side effect ride curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	miracl california wave fellow biker stuff delet start ride street bike told common reciev give wave fellow biker astound move left coast coast wave harlei rider rememb time trueli memor event refus bring that evo for harlei rider that wave curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl zkcl fgc cso uiuc edu eric cso uiuc edu cbr write post counterst faq eric faq for thi curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	daemon child head highwai final bui bike passang jeff andl dod ree main main edu intermittentnet access arrang bowdoin colleg repli mail sinc followup expir net
rec.motorcycles	kawi zephyr vision gpz don dinki zephyr alot drool tri sport topsham looker mercuri ax zephyr name guess lot ag republican want zephyr and confus mercuri kawasaki kawasaki shake stick ass and make libertarian gpz zephyr gpz had ball buster ga tank profil not smooth saddl ga tank transit motorcyclist claim zephyr modern seventi jeff andl dod ree main main edu intermittentnet access arrang bowdoin colleg repli mail sinc followup expir net
rec.motorcycles	split insect impact hpcc rec motorcycl cookson mbunix mitr org cookson apr peopl thi inan bug wibbl get propos split group rec motorcycl nutrit deal squash bug thread dean cookson dcookson mitr org dod ama mitr corp burlington bedford kotnml kotb worri never vfr nekkid green dod bianchi limit haven you heard cross post leav intact and simpli ignor basenot and respons interest for your statur and discrimin tast yesterdai lonoak wasp hit faceshield forc glue ey not kill leg frantic wiggl and found that distract flick and wipe residu ga stop greenfield btw lonoak lead into king citi metz into greenfield graem harrison hewlett packard commun compon divis trimbl san jose gharriso hpcc corp dod
rec.motorcycles	tool tool tool articl cmu edu jfriedl cmu edu write behanna phoenix syl nec chri behanna write subject notic that deep craftsman sae deep set small fit bolt nut socket for exchang deep socket rack had exact problem not impli that you didn sinc you didn mention you measur size your test nut callip cross length bolt head and even nut slightli thicker basa sort trapizodi cross section that not sampl bolt store fit open end wrench box end wrench point normal socket that mean bolt head peopl point and note tool faq write case will want lifetim guarante doesn necessiarli mean tool yup socket want thing fit chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec pend deliveri agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	oop jack roger water jrwater eo ncsu edu wrote articl ppejb vtserf edu ranck joesbar edu ranck write damag bike had properti feel jerk feel stupid don mean cynic you want reconsid bodi work type thing happen wait till you us bike etc wait week pastic bit and bodi shop that long bill ranck ranck joesbar edu
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rec.motorcycles	cultur enquiri articl apr aber azw aber andi woodward write get bore wind american bomb fish barrel children market that irish hard you not english type straight michael robinson ucbvax cogsci robinson internet robinson cogsci berkelei edu
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rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write articl apr unbvm csd unb unb write articl zkcl fgc cso uiuc edu eric cso uiuc edu cbr write post counterst faq thi aw ummm you push handl your bike speed and your bike turn left methink your bike problem methink someth wrong your bike perhap you meant pull push side handlebar will send left bike turn you that faq had send will slack andi infant sometim that peopl put emphasi lord thi obcounterst for reason discov that pull wrong side handlebar push wrong side you mean feel greater control for exampl push side lean turn lonni pull left side lean feel secur and counter intuit psycholog obcounterst find iron that weekend and night msf class don mention counterst dai ride tommi mcguir hit head door frame rest even lean into tight turn mcguir utexa edu mcguir austin ibm will append disclaim outgo public inform identifi person and independ ibm
rec.motorcycles	live articl odin corp sgi amc crash wpd sgi allan mcnaughton write articl mar eo arc nasa gov phil eo arc nasa gov phil stone write alan noth person object that statement ride that alan describ push envelop not necessarili equal take insan chanc two rider ride togeth speed ride abil and safeti margin left come phil you excel rider you plenti chanc don that your skill that you get wack lot luck thrown you good rider and lucki hope your luck hold allan circumst your fall ride you fell you you made error judgement ride fast you knew road damp and you react badli you surpris oncom car that crash due factor that subject your control won deni that combin luck and skill involv for each that you blame bad luck for your pain warrant chuck karish karish mindcraft karish pangea stanford edu
rec.motorcycles	recommend bike for tall beginn articl sdcc ucsd edu jtozer sdcc ucsd edu john tozer write for advic bike check tall and find leg hip uncomfort bent bike ridden not admittedli bike built for taller rider plenti legroom kawasaki klr bit short brake depart for spirit street ride for dirt and for agress street stuff chuck karish karish mindcraft karish pangea stanford edu
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow thi thread bring back memori expens dai traffic court year ago wait turn state case and plea cage had opportun listen creativ excus offer judg listen number pass slow truck that suddenli speed version decid that judg had heard stori book and impress thi young burlei gui had docket read drill sargent ohio state highywai patrol trooper clock ride motorcycl speed mph mph zone note that defend motorcycl rider had alcohol breath not cite for thi offenc judg look half glass purch end nose and sternest voic son pretti fast speed ride motorcycl you for your sir meekli defen repli buddi and had coupl beer and home offer noth had coupl beer and mph home judg move simplic respons fine maximum thi case court cost and order attend remedi driver train school isn america great bill mohrman motorola sp columbu disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	big big bike azw aber andi woodward write azw weight and size rough road definit start azw drift you aint catch leavitt umd edu bill mrb you ride hard for thi concern mrb lighter bike benefici cleveland freenet edu mike sturdev write you not ride hard for thi concern you fun never racerboi attend minibik spectacular can attest great deal satisfact ride fast fast overli concern not maintain clean line and slide occasion tire prefer stai sticki side that line found that don heal us dai yore btw knee mrb like catch not necessarili mrb tire road surfac and rider abil import criteria big horsepow like you troubl start drift your puni bodi mass push stuff push horsepow can lot straighten chang benefici trajectori bike rider system that quit true anoth for bike origin thread damn circular thread fast chanc mike bill bill leavitt cbx white lightn suzibago leavitt umd edu honda lone star sick leav dod ama icoa nia impala convert incred hulk hmmm thought bore and stroke techniqu michael bain
rec.motorcycles	protect gear articl wkf eskimo maven eskimo norman hamer write question for dai protect gear import good helmet shoei and good thick jacket leather gold and pair cheap leather glove purchas glove boot leather pant condom wone time had accid ask wear protect responc wear condom laz
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write articl apr unbvm csd unb unb write articl zkcl fgc cso uiuc edu eric cso uiuc edu cbr write post counterst faq thi aw time debat push handl motorcycl foward turn left and can explain thi happen post faq convert ummm you push handl your bike speed and your bike turn left methink your bike problem push side handlebar will send left will slack quit will axel
rec.motorcycles	won get low rider thi year articl mar esac prahren esac peter ahren write articl mar cbnewsj att car cbnewsj att charl roger write had plan thi year deliveri brand male offspr last mondai sound you your plan last year harlei davidson product deliveri lag and human gestat cycl perhap plan hiya pete that cbx nice hear you and final figur thi happen and step ensur storkish repetit that low drag bar and rad rearset for that ergonom constraint contracept consequ ouch thi bring mind recommend hurt studi rear ga tank close proxim highli prize and easili damag anatomi hurt recommend that manufactur build tank reduc step function provid rider bodi slide seat and ga tank unfortun event that bike stop suddenli and rider doesn inspir manufactur thi advic heart design bike cbr and gt chuck roger car torrei att car cbnewsj att
rec.motorcycles	speed ticket chp articl agat berkelei edu downei homer berkelei edu allen downei write fight your ticket california edit david brown berkelei nolo press second edit not ucb librari good luck daniel matejka write fourth edit not high ucb gotta that list articl mcimail mcimail peter nesbitt write ride work last week hwy suisun pull chp black and white ga station jameson canyon road offic state look you kinda fast come highwai you and not agre disagre can you beat thi ticket person your duti citizen make troubl for give and leav alon somedai cop legal right nail you guess your speed brown author fight your ticket mention oakland judg convict speeder offic testimoni that driver car sound driven excess speed you can pai state and your insur compani you can court and creativ person never won that win judg listen polit and haven that attempt you argument that sinc bike shorter car speed nice offic accustom guess and speed appear greater left step two you idea you can make convinc theoret you suppos win never prove cop mistaken poor biker mix fact maximum acceler cop car and distanc cop had pace and end demonstr that couldn possibl fast cop had suggest brought diagram and calcul prepar lost mind cop thi time and word don guess fast bike time thi gui didn speak english and end absolut confound judg cop and room recent crimin twit gun and quota ahem won had present polish not applaus
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rec.motorcycles	cultur enquiri us back mind make live ignor and intoler group level understand confus redneck and white trash confus understand substanti overlap two set can clarifi redneck primarili us back mind make live somewhat ignor standard never held educ basic read write math skill that import eventu vocat note not stupid ignor stupid high percentag group white trash white trash fit stereotyp refer word nigger black person met ad bonu that white trash mean hell father genuin lazi not work qualifi good for noth dishonest white peopl mean snake squeal pig boi deliver not redneck hell white trash white trash assuredli intoler group level understand redneck not curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
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rec.motorcycles	twit bicyclist joi articl apr spectrum xerox coolei xerox write asshol hope you kid exactli that kind attidu that get motorcyclist kill leather clad poseur watch swirv and swear pretend that don exist chang lane you find necesari wreck enjoy road boost your ego trueli you poseur aaron disgruntl volvo driver rebel steatopygia doh that ain hottentot sesquipedalian ama dod ain
rec.motorcycles	question arai quantum articl zqel uki edu amir uki edu amir sadr write want problem chin hang bottom helmet curiou whether thi problem switch extra larg size can for outer shell arai quantum size larg larger rounder etc helmet size larg pad foam larg such that head fit deeper helmet and chin not stick thi true for arthur fulmer helmet that chin hang bottom larg helmet and not larg larg not snug larg dealer will replac helmet addit cost ship want make that larg fact bigger liner such that chin will not hang and looser will head fit larg recent experi thi helmet hear mail you asap you amir not helmet for chin question you want write jai leno tonight show burbank calif good luck steatopygia doh that ain hottentot sesquipedalian ama dod ain
rec.motorcycles	live articl apr rchland ibm pooder rchland vnet ibm don fearn write articl apr unbvm csd unb unb write sprain ankl onc and ride broke leg two place had knee surgeri navi back doctor put cast ass ankl method transportaion dohc honda time found that slide back seat us heel mention left leg oper shift hook end lever heel and lift entir leg for shift and drop leg lever for shift forget nutral finess for leg crutch bunge cord side bike top rest passeng peg and turnsign stick hole crutch dai rode mile physic therapi tourtur session doc give hell ride bike ride condit didn stop tho btw thi bike assembl second floor barrack room and rode stair complet not paid opinion speed suzuki dod
rec.motorcycles	speed ticket chp articl dmatejkac dmb netcom dmatejka netcom daniel matejka write articl agat berkelei edu downei homer berkelei edu allen downei write fight your ticket california edit david brown berkelei nolo press second edit not ucb librari good luck daniel matejka write can you beat thi ticket person your duti citizen make troubl for give and leav alon somedai cop legal right nail you guess your speed brown author fight your ticket mention oakland judg convict speeder offic testimoni that driver car sound driven excess speed cough choke cop gave ticket for sound speed show court lawyer simpli sound speed ridicul found guilti appeal and show lawyer cop doesn vascar car plane radar lidar electron speed measur devic pace and mph limit court can accept cop excess fast limit look zone not reason doubt grant lose case measur ey court for axel
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rec.motorcycles	won get low rider thi year articl apr cbnewsj att car cbnewsj att charl roger write articl mar esac prahren esac peter ahren write that low drag bar and rad rearset for that ergonom constraint contracept consequ ouch thi bring mind recommend hurt studi rear ga tank close proxim highli prize and easili damag anatomi hurt recommend that manufactur build tank reduc step function provid rider bodi slide seat and ga tank unfortun event that bike stop suddenli and rider doesn inspir manufactur thi advic heart design bike cbr and gt dunno tank seat junction nice and smooth you travel forward you collect top tripl clamp sensit area hate make choic prefer ga tank blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
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rec.motorcycles	drink and ride norman hamer maven eskimo wrote gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow depend badli you want live faa hour bottl throttl for pilot recommend twenti hour far blood alcohol level legal drunk twice strict dwi minimum btw alcohol metabol your blood fix rate beer hour will your blood alcohol level bare street legal coffe hyperventil and bar trick won speed will fool ranger stephen mane mane magpi linknet mane and associ york usa
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rec.motorcycles	drink and ride cjackson adob curti jackson write articl mjmuis watstar uwaterloo mjmuis wat cop and don you dare drink drive commerci will drink gener drink and hr you legal limit watch you smart and eat food your drink food coat stomach line thing milk can temporarili retard absorpt alcohol food digest absorpt will proce and you will drunker higher instantan bac you you had drunk drink empti stomach put anoth food can you drunk drink empti stomach earli hour drunk drink empti stomach hour curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson alcohol server class absolut that eat drink can slow absorpt minut that time eat slam beer and ride hell make home minut left pai don helmet glove start bike dean woodward you want step into world dean fring rain socio psychot state bliss virago gun rose world dod
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rec.motorcycles	won get low rider thi year articl apr cbnewsj att car cbnewsj att charl roger write ouch thi bring mind recommend hurt studi rear ga tank close proxim highli prize and easili damag anatomi hurt recommend that manufactur build tank reduc step function provid rider bodi slide seat and ga tank unfortun event that bike stop suddenli and rider doesn inspir manufactur thi advic heart design bike cbr and gt ride goodi tank design corbin seat move you forward wouldn major danger cajon due acceler into and stop tank you wouldn impact problem michael michael nelson cbr internet nelson seahunt imat dod
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rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die articl nnt dartvax dartmouth edu russel hugh dartmouth edu russel hugh write start and rev rpm fail cuz regist and max allow fail pipe gonna time make number believ thi poor flamebait get close sound jumbo jet engin takeoff rev small number yard pain threshold for human hell state permit standard curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
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rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die great dai back home last night fantast ski colorado and put batteri back fxstc clean plug open petcock wait minut hit starter and bingo start charm spent restless night anticip ride saison and thi morn state inspect bike stock for slash cut pipe and hampshir state inspect mean light work dude produc decibel meter and tell law nois huh sez and start and rev rpm fail cuz regist and max allow fail pipe gonna lotta piss biker round for inspect hei experi never felt menac societi park dismount and walk build slight swagger step and narrow lid sens faculti colleagu uneas intimid statu and women glanc linger longer perhap that imagin sigh instal bub pipe and singl fire ignit will that russ hugh fxstc dod love yeah that feel you you your motorcycl sonni barger told campbel friend time
rec.motorcycles	insect impact articl emoryu emori edu labrg emori edu ryan montieth gill write for had problem small bird larg raptor type swoop across road smallish prei had hawk falcon come feet lucki for for that matter notic and and pull trajectori last moment scare shit outa noth red tail hawk face talon and ride nighthawk hmmmm ryan male mallard duck chest onc kick karat instructor accid ey tear hard and wheez loudli that quit remark that come stop rubber side duck btw live and quit healthi sat roadsid and shook head for minut bruis collar bone belli button regard charl dod span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
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rec.motorcycles	carri crutch live articl pqhkl usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mike sturdev write knee rebuilt back street bike asap put crutch rack and passeng seat and hung back long make ti tight front and problemo hmm sound trick local cager crutch length tail light give break leg us broke ankl dirt bike end strap crutch back bike ride lab ankl bike and start easili hand ivan reid paul scherrer institut ivan cvax psi gsx bewar drainag ditch firetrail dod
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rec.motorcycles	cold thing cold minut had stop and hold muffler for care thi your cold muffler will feel fine till you leav char skin you peel your hand speak experi you can kindsa american dai damag your circul warm hand hot fastest and safest shove hand opposit sleev and stand ming empor for minut
rec.motorcycles	cold ride season thing cold minut had stop and hold muffler for home hour gear for half hour hous humid wind protect and mph not mix hell thi warm retir fleec aerostich last month temperatur aboc live coupl year dole you afford heat you put gear octob abd you get bike luxuri comparison co oyur usuallu warm rel happi cold ride you kid pain that make worthwhil
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rec.motorcycles	eat and ride drink and ride articl pnakada apr pnakada oracl paul nakada pnakada oracl write feel eat and ride ride thi weekend and carri pecan pie ride back felt sluggish alert ride feel strangest thing that eat turnaround point weekend ride snack will that full sluggish feel closer home paul paul nakada oracl corpor pnakada oracl dod maintain sens sharpest never eat full meal hr ride slim fast lite ride found that lap time parliament build suffer sec result pound weight loss summer sharpen bike handl and can forward winter carbo load obligatori dave true that monei talk mine spoke bui drink
rec.motorcycles	thought yamaha seca turbo previou articl howp skyfox wonder yamaha seca turbo bui us seca turbo for canadian odo thi will bike comment thi cannot good faith recommend seca turbo power deliveri uneven for novic offici dod newbi bike choic powerband wide and deliveri smooth perfect for beginn dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
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rec.motorcycles	for sale husqvarna for sale model husqvarna enduro model year engin stroke extra ignit for easi start suspens aftershock custom carbon fiber kevlar skid plate quick steer geometri stock epa legal and quiet exhaust system bark buster and hand guard motion pro clutch cabl price contact deni concordel mail deni apldbio mabel work home sell trusti huski hopefulli bui husaberg thi good dirt bike and maintain perfectli never had problem stroke valv liquid cool engin heavier stroke lighter honda and lot suspens ohlin shock huski fork for casual competit rider engin two stroke you can easili lug hill and blast trail minimum gear ignit and carefulli tune carbur make thi bike easi start start kick cold hot custom made carbon kevlar light pound wrap skid plate protect engin case and water pump steer angl reduc degre increas steer quick thi suspens tune phil dougla aftershock multipl time isd rider ride bike plush suspens respons steer head shake such good bike sell gee want bui husaberg huski pound lighter and tad
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rec.motorcycles	safe drive prcatic articl apr new columbia edu rdc cunixf columbia edu robert castro write articl rbpc netcom rbp netcom bob pasker write cjackson adob curti jackson write solut never ride car thing you and space thi step never dilli dalli that rear side cage you pass make posit and you can pass fulli make that you attempt you can make driver awar you get into area vision thi appli merg into anoth lane make pass posit and rear view and shoulder and that acceler into lane that you speed cushion you miss potenti bdi that thing you wors you you made pass successfulli you aren fast suit you ride ey rich rich bemben dod rbemben timewarp prime triumph bonnevil fear not evil men name evil heaven protect evil men name good
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rec.motorcycles	max handl request ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl
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rec.motorcycles	boom hubcap attack articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write attack rabid hubcap onc work yamaha twin vibrat tank heard wierd nois left caught glimps silver head for left foot and jerk nanosecond bike hit hard left side put foot back peg found that not pull into nearest park lot and discov that had hit wire wheel type hubcap larg cage thi hubcap weigh pound impact had bent left peg flat frame and tweek shifter process had not heard approach cap feel certian that san portion left foot had thi sort experi not hub cap lumber yard deliveri truck made life interest hit dip road and sheet sheetrock and dozen gallon can spackl mph real interest for second had us wood mallet dri spackl helmet and bike home bob tail kenworth and lumber truck had path drive made tire and threw monsoon tire ran can spackl didn burst impact car front lane hit brake and nail bridg abut half second messiest time san diego back apart ocean beach sportster and had pick shake burger fri jack box and stuf foul weather jacket milk shake open nimitz blvd mph noth smell vanilla milk shake cook engin run your groin and leg and peopl wait back you make left turn you two type ship navi submarin and target dod rais richard pierson vnet internet fist iscp bellcor uunet uunet bcr fist includ std disclaim opinion don shop mall bui jean jacket and ammo store
rec.motorcycles	boom hubcap attack previou articl speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer attack rabid hubcap onc work yamaha twin vibrat tank heard wierd nois left caught glimps silver head for left foot and jerk nanosecond bike hit hard left side put foot back peg found that not pull into nearest park lot and discov that had hit wire wheel type hubcap larg cage thi hubcap weigh pound impact had bent left peg flat frame and tweek shifter process had not heard approach cap feel certian that san portion left foot hmmmm wonder that hubcap dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
rec.motorcycles	max handl request previou articl ntuvax ntu ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl you kid thi flame bait extrem max handl har har har har dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
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rec.motorcycles	hard copi hot pursuit previou articl wcd uxa cso uiuc edu daniel warren thi run hard copi don watch that kat not latest machin high perform machin and slam brake cous that cage disco light can stop fast high perform machin happen cage plow into kat thi mean cop fault for rear end bike you close and reckless drive dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
rec.motorcycles	max handl request articl apr ntuvax ntu ntuvax ntu write ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl ridden twice design monster straight line noth fzr corner fact didn handl that curv hei that not design two cent alan
rec.motorcycles	rejet carb mark kromer thu apr gmt wibbl articl rtaraz bigwpi ramin taraz wrote amount exhaust allow leav engin exhaust pipe make that differ amount air fuel mixtur that cylend suck suck depend speed piston and pressur cylind end exhaust stroke poor exhaust system thi pressur atmospher pipe that scaveng thi substanti below atmospher thi effect will vari rpm depend tune pipe pipe combin larg valv overlap can revers intak flow and blow mixtur carb pipe effect rev rang question resist engin consern resist that exhaust resist that result bike push and rider two complet thing state pipe determin power motor can make load bike determin power motor make ark fzr pilot payload mechan you for glad that fuel inject needl and orific and venturi and pressur wors school human biologi reproduct lesson sex made feel bit queasi nick simpl mind biker dod concis oxford tube rider lud nick pettefar contractor larg incarcer bnr maidenhead unit kingdom npet bnr bmw kai pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	liabil insur requir articl tcora gator pica armi mil tcora pica armi mil tom coradeschi write articl apr walter bellcor fist iscp bellcor richard pierson wrote let thi fault stuff straight live start rate alot move and rate alot and stori you sit park lot lunch and wack you guess insur pai for give bzzzt driver fault your insur pai you deduct recoup total cost gui gal compani fanci word for escap and pai you deduct you can gui gal compani take longer your cash oppos state farm cut check todai spot for damag wife cage word subrog you will wait for monei scumbag insur that you save pai deduct scumbag insur scum insur you pai deduct your insur pack rabid larg fang lawyer recov damag scum insur lawyer sad true call job secur for lawyer chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	bike big dog articl apr cua edu wendel cua edu write heard rider give big dog such great dane ride back bike dog love make work wendel cua edu back tricki boulder gui that can golden retriev sidecar dog wear wwii style goggl joke nick coburn dod ama cbr cbr coburnn spot colorado edu
rec.motorcycles	ducati opinion want frankb sad frank ball write godfrei digiorgi ramarren appl wrote ducati model essenti reduc displac mean weigh and size power produc specif meet vehicl tax restrict market make commerci viabl not sold unneed and unwant such somewhat larg and overweight for motor will handl magnific won fast flaw mention limit steer lock annoy note tester and mirror aren perfect ducati model essenti reduc displac mean weigh and size nope lb lightrer power and brake singl disk that quit impress two finger lever beth horror lift rear wheel fine randi mamola impress such somewhat larg and overweight for motor will handl magnific won fast feel that fast that beth will give liter bike rider fit futur flaw mention limit steer lock steer lock adjust annoy note tester and mirror aren perfect beth see fine fill black leather concour sophist ladi tom dietrich sportster sport for sale dod spike garag rat ama queu for fssnoc two joust and gather big fun kspt bell cool rule sometim mail txd mkt lewi disclaim take respons for opinion preced thi
rec.motorcycles	dot tire date code mail thi notic long cut tread rear tire vfr cut deep tread block and scratch rubber base weird thing edg haven scuf tire question danger thi replac tire and sinc cut unscuf portion and tire you chanc get replac warranti nedod mail list and jack tavar suggest check tire tactic for get replac file read date code handi dean dean cookson dcookson mitr org dod ama mitr corp burlington bedford kotnml kotb road shepherd and not stop vfr sam eliott road hog mtv bianchi limit
rec.motorcycles	fat boi versu math articl pimfd cre agat berkelei edu robinson cogsci berkelei edu michael robinson write articl mcz ccu umanitoba klinger ccu umanitoba jorg klinger write apr bnr npet bnr nick pettefar write manual velcro mar wibbl greater greater obviou that number last year hot improv thi year can question hell dad us that beat todai break sweat twisti thi year cumbersom for practic us repeat decim rememb good dai hexadecim and even binari legal smoke blue stuff pipe had hex that slaughter decim road sigh such nostalgia regard charl dod span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride articl wkbp eskimo maven eskimo norman hamer write gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow interest discuss limit standard serv alcohol ride and alcohol special fine al good wine vsop don drink alcohol isn import for financi reason magazin claim follow aviat guidelin alcohol whatsoev hr ride compani bike don rememb mag year ago regard charl hicc dod span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.motorcycles	for joh dhhalden last wvnvm wvnet edu write ducati uue quuncd ver theodor kaldi begin cut cut part nyr afkin apyt thi gif great backdrop apollo thingi and peopl stop and admir that troubl contact archiv site stuff thi good gif don hesit post bra thing nick idiot biker dod concis oxford bra lud nick pettefar contractor larg incarcer bnr maidenhead unit kingdom npet bnr bmw kai pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	camp question sanjai sinha apr gmt wibbl post previou quest for camp info anoth question not strictli stuff for thermo flask coffe hot mean real hot unbreak type metal type wast monei not match vacuum glass type info appreci sanjai back youth ahem wiffi and moi purchas gadget heat water sourc for car us thought work apart slight problem had rev lower and motor die lack electron movement made for interest cup coffe plot rout that contain straight mile that had suffici time water boil point thi sometim difficult england good luck your quest nick biker dod concis oxford lud nick pettefar contractor larg incarcer bnr maidenhead unit kingdom npet bnr bmw kai pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	turbocharg motorbik north america articl apr skyfox howp skyfox write think don manufactur make bike turbo etc add lot expens and complex and make for reliabl and control bike extrem exampl turbo cost mike hailwood replica ducati david edmondson david dc qmw queen mari westfield colleg dod guzzi man thi mean end hors drawn zeppelin
rec.motorcycles	cat and dog jame bessett jimb cbnewsj att wrote articl hplsla ken hplsla ken snyder write heard dog breeder that chain bicycl and motorcycl produc high frequenc squeak that dog love chase breeder chase bmw cam chain mike mike mitten gnome org emori org gnome ama dod ironi spice life bianchi backstreet suzuki revolut will not televis
rec.motorcycles	boom hubcap attack speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer attack rabid hubcap onc work yamaha twin vibrat tank heard wierd nois left caught glimps silver head for left foot and jerk nanosecond bike hit hard left rest delet had thi sort experi dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can hubcap attack fairli common cager incompet reinstal properli chang tire check collis luckili heavi that you moor dod don forget immort swap file read error you lose your mind
rec.motorcycles	gpz run bitch mail you your domain not exist can even sinet slb admit know geco articl innjl griffin orpington sgp slb you wrote subject gpz run bitch cure for sub run prob gpz below rev and bike cut time recommend cure bike mag switch engin for minut thaw ic thi not mutch cure mine had kawasaki heat carb mod problem persist cover rad make bike run warmer and move problem temp scale degre two dynojet kit get desper carb fuel inject gpz you talk kawasaki anoth version upgrad kit worth phone call you carb mod you bui secondhand that had that orpington kent you heard ogri mail list run email list for biker and interest parti live daili digest you want subscrib good luck dave david edmondson david dc qmw queen mari westfield colleg dod guzzi man thi mean end hors drawn zeppelin
rec.motorcycles	can afford goldw mirror search luck for faq left aspencad mirror and honda for thi anoth piec chrome replac black plastic that wing come liber suppli that silli price mirror piec safeti equip fact that honda place concern for profit ahead concern for safeti convinc that thi wing will like last mean time anybobi ripoff sourc for mirror keith smith keith hydra unm edu
rec.motorcycles	latest socal ride southern california ridelist send updat thi ride list rememb street ride that open biker post inc phone for info send your mail address you want mail copi thi list suggest call make that info current you find info strive for accuraci cannot respons for error mail address paulb harlei tti coffe donut live music food drink sinc last post address end post apr annual laughlin river run ride run point socal concert poker run parti etc etc thi sponsor southern calif harlei dealer assoc bike reserv socal harlei dealer river run hotlin discount room reserv concert tix tue sat noon apr annual race memorabilia show sale art print photo litho model book apr scma rout tour apr scma trac gypsi tour santa monica john lane apr tax time run for monei abat pin prize game raffl free you join twin citi brea canyon walnut manni apr annual gwta loma linda children hospit benefit run free start hot dog etc finish skip fordyc motor indiana av riversid apr mma state overnight frazier park apr yuma prison run mailin gate camp apr paso robl clean sober run paso robl fairground apr shamrock annual scenic bywai tour start rout simi vallei honda av cycl part baselin san bernadino picnic bbq lake hugh apr mra chap poker run american legion south peri steve hill ama grand nat dirt track seri race pomona fairplex kpfk centerstand radio show and car show will broadcast live autobook etc magnolia burbank carshow start noonb centerstand abat poker run east end bucklin park imperi vallei includ food entertain barbara pmc annual greenhorn tour song dog ranch spring ralli overnight camp thi famousmotorcycl campground you can eat drink bbq dinner sundai bkfst person reserv april song dog ranch cuyama ojai thi number bsa owner club spring ride castaic land album releas celebr helmet law suck billi gordon blue rocker vida hot spring lambert east mile left special guest raffl annual spring round rodeo abat bike game pin raffl start game noon coupl free you join robbi restaur hwy btwn perri lake elsinor georg susan allen melani swap meet orang counti fairgnd costa mesa cnty swap meet christian assn socal ralli assembl god church nisqual victorvil bob quintard mother annual awar dai abat american legion hall gardena crnr normandi gardena vendor raffl game etc free pin doc carol dieter blue knight annual benefit ride start cycl part west san diego harold crosbi run for wall truck stop meet ontario camp motel each night stop ride end vietnam veteran memori wall washington bike expect meet call rod coffei alt info send john anderson deer creek paso robl call long beach part exchang veteran memori stadium jambore tular cnty fairgnd tular ride show benefit poker run sun raffl game start noon fridai free for blaze saddl tour scma ariel owner club annual event greenfield av chuck walton jun fun sun ride mma bakersfield jun class act tour jun silver eagl run palomar san diego jun ventura swap show shop ventura fairgnd jun annual summer solstic poker run pig feed abat coupl free you join pig roast game raffl swim pin swallow inn ortega hwy san juan capistrano earl rick jun mma bike fest mariposa fairground hwy hwy mile camp trade show game advanc gate info tix jun hope hous benefit run scma jul bike show accessori unltd jul abat christma juli jul beach ride benefit except children foundat jul abat timer poker run jul annual unicoast ride and joust start west coast and pine glen campground mammoth lake for dai weekend fun usenet person your fond flame mail list contact joust request harlei tti jul iron hors poker run jul annual nation ride work dai jul quaff palomar annual overnight jolla campground jul annual summer food run abat jul swap meet orang counti fairgnd costa mesa aug accessori unltd ride aug hot august night poker run aug tour scma area aug song dog ranch summer ralli overnight camp thi famou motorcycl campground classic you can eat drink bbq dinner sundai bkfst person reserv aug song dog ranch cuyama ojai thi number aug vet benefit run trac aug mma chicken roast camarillo park sep annual flag classic juarez mexico southern alberta canada person receiv frank weed sep abat golden state rendezv fri noon mon mid state fairground paso robl sep iron hors rocket run sep black gold poker run taft sep redwood run sep bonanza tour shamrock oct swap meet orang counti fairgnd costa mesa oct song dog ranch fall ralli overnight camp thi famou motorcycl campground you can eat drink bbq dinner sundai bkfst person reserv oct song dog ranch cuyama ojai thi number oct scma grand tour oct easyrid motorcycl rodeo antelop vallei fairground hwy av exit lancast oct annual griffith park sidecar ralli miner spring area park doug bingham oct mra chap ride nov love ride benefit muscular dystrophi assoc sponsor glendal san fernando glendal nov toi kei run scma area nov awar dai abat nov accessori unlimit poss ride dec swap meet orang counti fairgnd costa mesa dec hathawai children center toi run ongo event notic swap meet show santa spring drive alondra blvd thur fee note that april move free seminar saturdai luftmeist inc long beach tune centerstand radio program for motorcyclist saturdai kpfk parent partner club meet sat coco brea colina road diamondbar club for women form diamond and pearl marc motorcycl amateur radio club meet sat denni santa ana net wed info rai bonni address follow camp fwy north azusa av hwy east fork mile east camp hint for bridg accessori unlimit lyon av newhal cycl part west beach blvd westminist
rec.motorcycles	bmwmoa controversi articl rider joe rider cactu org write vech msstate edu craig vechorik write good boi that long agre you that current board garbag vote you simpli trade form trash for anoth oppon your select equal time joe don you post you ration bmwmoa folk left rest summari current state affair your esteem organ togeth histor outlin you contretemp point will deduct for shout bulg vein templ area pete ahren
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorcycl piss articl lsp mginnud cash utexa edu mcguir utexa edu tommi marcu mcguir write thi noth motorcycl you bike thi noth motorcycl you amazona bike keith hanlan keithh bnr bell northern research ottawa canada
rec.motorcycles	bmw batteri keith hanlan wed apr gmt wibbl articl apr msstate edu vech msstate edu craig vechorik write rememb correctli reason that bmw come expens and rel worthless short live varda batteri bmw own control interest that batteri manufactur wrong bmw batteri never had problem and numer peopl that origin batteri year beemer kai origin batteri nick suffici charg biker dod concis oxford lud nick pettefar contractor larg incarcer bnr maidenhead unit kingdom npet bnr bmw kai pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	turbocharg motorbik north america articl dc qmw david dc qmw dave edmondson write extrem exampl turbo cost mike hailwood replica ducati can scroung good turbo will trade mhr duc for jeff earl jearl tekig pen tek dod kottg kotspt wmtc ama millennium falcon squid factor klr thumpi hit button chewi han solo ain nothin mph sweeper idaho rocki
rec.motorcycles	der whassa deltabox articl unisql rai unisql rai shea write can deltabox frame and relat that frame hawk that time gui come park lot and sez hei dude nice bike that deltabox frame can duh huh deltabox regist trademark yamaha us describ aluminum perimet frame design us fzr and fzr cross section side appear call pentabox dave tharp dod you can wear davet interceptor cd tek mra indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief ama built rock velorex nsu max knock bmw compuls harlei that employ idea joiner give you grief
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl secur bike park front bar week dog and wander find had happen stole damn dog left harlei dave tharp dod you can wear davet interceptor cd tek mra indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief ama built rock velorex nsu max knock bmw compuls harlei that employ idea joiner give you grief
rec.motorcycles	ticket advic worth you paid can anoth subject that gener contradictori advic traffic law and enforc opinion and dead acur inform extrem difficult come dmv doesn cop don your traffic school instructor doesn vehicl code tell part stori judg choos interpret law wide varieti wai and public larg seldom hear advic that doesn disagre experienc you don suggest you copi vehicl code studi and sit dai two court and happen read fight your ticket don miss section end your chanc lousi and you basic screw you guess pretti system california carefulli prepar for court bring wit and reveal hole offic stori slap maximum allow fine assess messag clear that judg not john public case advic you find ticket traffic school you can matter lawyer lawyer can present exact case you differ sentenc paul thompson appl comput
rec.motorcycles	bike sold net mile articl hplsla ken hplsla ken snyder write bike sold long distanc love hear bought vfr gui san jose net that mile odomet mark andi live pittsburgh bought dude massachusett connecticut axel
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write question for dai passeng helmet you don for gonna ride you you meet church meet yeah that ticket guidelin pick anoth shoei size backup helmet inexpens smaller size accomod like passeng your primari concern protect passeng event crash fit for helmet that size your primari concern compli stupid helmet law carri real big spare you can put big small head big helmet not small green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	dot tire date code rec motorcycl cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write nedod mail list and jack tavar suggest check tire tactic for get replac file read date code handi quit simpl code week and year manufactur rich sturg nswc carderock divis speak for and listen
rec.motorcycles	bike sold net mile articl hplsla ken hplsla ken snyder write bike sold long distanc love hear bought moto guzzi univ grad student charlottesvil last spring mark cervi cervi oasi navi mil dod mgnoc moto guzzi kinda bike that moto guzzi that italian mark cervi carderockdiv nswc code annapoli cervi oasi navi mil
rec.motorcycles	bike and contact articl apr skcla monsanto mpmena skcla monsanto write michael man that blockhead gargoyl thing that work for michael menard you showin highland hous compar sunglass weather saturdai sundai suck todai time good you give for gargoyl you want mine you can bridg nose hold face deal for two friend for peopl us full face helmet bet fit you and complaint person oaklei desir squid attir gargoyl aren that ugli even opinion wouldn michael man mman icomsim nextmail accept flstf fatboi ducati
rec.motorcycles	bike contact lens radial keratotomi articl rice edu jcn rice edu write radial keratotomi want per ey that lot contact lens and sunglass and lot monei make tini mistak jeff nichol don exactli your ey chang contact correct for question thi due strang conic shape your cornea take surgeri michael man mman icomsim nextmail accept flstf fatboi ducati
rec.motorcycles	ducati opinion want articl qhm mb new ysu edu albion bower yfn ysu edu write yeah mph quarter such slug come last time you us your max power peak you ride pass judgement lot maximum acceler didn mean impli that ninja duc talk duc owner owner that power overwhelm that love guess bit specif you that weigh that for extra cube that fact that gtv show that don care maximum power slug exclus note and handl import bought ninja couldn afford duc didn mean ruffl feather get year mark mark burnham markb novel ama dod alfa romeo gtv ninja
rec.motorcycles	rejet carb articl jburnei hydra nodc noaa gov jburnei hydra nodc noaa gov jeff burnei write talk stroke can understand exhaust puls affect stroke intak valv close exhaust stroke and ga push cyclind guess ga compress that affect amount push limit factor header pipe and not canist mean gase line canist effect exhaust stroke gase compress that for discuss purpos will ignor dynam effect puls exhaust pipe and paint mental pictur engin supercharg pressur forc air into intak tract atmospher time intak valv open pressur differenti move air differ combust chamber pressur left exhaust stroke and atmospher piston decend intak stroke combust chamber pressur decreas allow atmospher pressur move air into intak tract time pressur becom neg even approach good vacuum time exhaust valv close pressur combust chamber essenti pressur exhaust system major flow restrict muffler note that volum ga that flow exhaust larger volum that flow intak temperatur differ and product combust last year japanes manufactur start pai attent exhaust and intak tune pursuit almighti horsepow thi point time high perform bike substitut aftermarket free flow air filter will almost affect perform stock intak system flow substitut aftermarket exhaust system will make differ gener exhaust system louder stocker older bike exhaust back pressur domin factor free flow air filter substitut differ note free flow exhaust system instal gener engin can visual air pump rpm that will engin pump air intak exhaust side will produc horsepow pump air will requir recalibr rejet carburetor dave tharp dod you can wear davet interceptor cd tek mra indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief ama built rock velorex nsu max knock bmw compuls harlei that employ idea joiner give you grief
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride person follow alcohol rule bike view that you such high degre control that alcohol potenti hazard bike hurt fault don want wreck katana develop thi philosophi impromptu experi had beer even and had volleybal practic wasn even close leagl intox couldn perform even basic thing thi made view alcohol and intox you fine your reaction affect such that you unabl recov hit rock even gust wind greatli enjoi social drink for doesn mix ride max enjoy eric
rec.motorcycles	bike want advic purchas you gave advic custom recommend had bike compress test compress low even across cylind psi that test cold that explain low number thi sound bike look great sign road rash and rust thi bike great shop get tune and tire opt for metzler and tire post thi thread thi bike big compar bike alot harder load trailer kdx road legal tomorrow ignor afforement concern transmiss and take chanc relet reader quit impress useful info thi newsgroup dod number busi ride jami burnsid jburnsid mit edu
rec.motorcycles	fault insur compani for fault coverag sinc major accid cager fault doesn thi impli that pai higher rate fault system car system make sens surfac legal cost system motorcyclist screw michael chuck bain meb icdf boe semi loud pipe save live
rec.motorcycles	rejet carb jump into middl thi thread not talk comment rec motorcycl davet interceptor cd tek dave tharp cd write engin supercharg pressur forc air into intak tract atmospher time intak valv open pressur differenti move air differ combust chamber pressur left exhaust stroke and atmospher piston decend intak stroke combust chamber pressur decreas allow atmospher pressur move air into intak tract time pressur becom neg even approach good vacuum number factor that import biggest air veloc air momentum and shock wave veloc stack us for year and us insid stock airbox number bike tune engin rpm stack can greatli increas speed and momentum air rush air momentum critic get good air intak momentum air stack combust chamber will forc insid long piston begun compress stroke shock wave us induc air intak and prevent fresh air escap exzhaust port shock wave product expans chamber mean present wall open close air motion thi lost mysteri design for shock wave rich sturg nswc carderock divis speak for and listen
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write grf drop shoei seat bike rock centerstand chip heck paint cheerfulli spent bottl testor model paint and repaint scratch and chip for minut question for dai passeng helmet you don for gonna ride you you meet church meet yeah that ticket guidelin pick anoth shoei size backup helmet inexpens smaller size accomod like passeng rule thumb don give ride peopl that wear bigger helmet you your tast run that famili friend gee remind dancer hull river ottowa that year ago for bought bigger helmet even bike want two type ship navi submarin and target dod rais richard pierson vnet internet fist iscp bellcor uunet uunet bcr fist includ std disclaim opinion don shop mall bui jean jacket and ammo store
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorcycl piss articl apr dsd bgardner pebbl blain gardner write articl castl wbg festiv geak write banana isn imho ultra sticki label print your favourit curs good even local hospit us wheel clamp put size each window cage your local hospit favorit curs your skin stick frozen bed pan your appl juic mistakenli drawn urinalisi lab two type ship navi submarin and target dod rais richard pierson vnet internet fist iscp bellcor uunet uunet bcr fist includ std disclaim opinion don shop mall bui jean jacket and ammo store
rec.motorcycles	contact person for boot articl apr new columbia edu rdc cunixf columbia edu robert castro write dodland give contact purchas pair militari air born combat boot size boot read rec moto calf height boot that us velcro for enclosur phone and carri such item admit not into deepest bowel nyc for search made call bigger armi navi type store luck place that carri such item mail order appreci velcro jump boot issu militari two kind made cochran and sell for cloth sale store cavalri price match cav store second sold somewhat cheaper design don care you wear long eyelet high anoth boot call tanker boot thi similar construct wellington boot for boot shape and strap that wrap for tight nice boot two type ship navi submarin and target dod rais richard pierson vnet internet fist iscp bellcor uunet uunet bcr fist includ std disclaim opinion don shop mall bui jean jacket and ammo store
rec.motorcycles	liabil insur requir thing fault isn two type ship navi submarin and target dod rais richard pierson vnet internet fist iscp bellcor uunet uunet bcr fist includ std disclaim opinion don shop mall bui jean jacket and ammo store
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl secur articl tekgen tek davet interceptor cd tek dave tharp cd write bike park front bar week dog and wander find had happen stole damn dog left harlei anim right peopl that bike ride dog cat and racoon two type ship navi submarin and target dod rais richard pierson vnet internet fist iscp bellcor uunet uunet bcr fist includ std disclaim opinion don shop mall bui jean jacket and ammo store
rec.motorcycles	bui vrf mark bricker mnb rit edu wrote market for bike and recent found honda vrf dealership bike mile and had two previou owner employe dealership told good care bike two question thi mile for bike thi not mile for car unfamiliar life span bike thi decent price unfamilar price for us bike blue book for bike for car for advic you can give mark mark not mile vfr sold maintain vfr mile and engin mint condit that bike need steer head bear and fork bush and seal gui bought had mechan pull valv cover top end compress check etc confirm mint for price steep bought mile year ago and absolut cherri condit for bluebook your bank credit union for price coupl ad for vfr dollar rang low mile mint condit didn vfr sweet bike and will last you forev you maintain thing for btw soft front end vfr indic mile fork spring total shot progress spring fix good luck ken snyder loc hewlett packard lsid lake steven instrument div soper hill road gte everett ken lsid
rec.motorcycles	bui vrf mark bricker mnb rit edu wrote market for bike and recent found honda vrf dealership bike mile and had two previou owner employe dealership told good care bike two question thi mile for bike thi not mile for car unfamiliar life span bike thi decent price unfamilar price for us bike blue book for bike for car for advic you can give mark ken snyder loc hewlett packard lsid lake steven instrument div soper hill road gte everett ken lsid
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorcycl piss read you folk thing illeg park car made carri cinder block bike readi damag kei carv etc cage had idea chain lube isn for chain anymor reason perman damag lot work don us anywher windshield door handl keyhol etc nasti mood rain ken snyder loc hewlett packard lsid lake steven instrument div soper hill road gte everett ken lsid
rec.motorcycles	bike hors insect impact previou articl npet bnr nick pettefar jonathan quist thu apr gmt wibbl articl txd mkt txd esd tom dietrich write previou articl egreen east sun green pixel cruncher lot thing quot nice thing hors that break middl you can eat and tasti fuel bit cheaper per gallon bushel perhap eat amount dai matter you ride and you don fuel die annual basi spend bike stuff ami wife hors stuff two hors umm lessee bike ride constantli ride time week even you count insur and cost garag built get cheaper and fun imho fast chanc mike
rec.motorcycles	dod paraphernali stafford vax winona msu edu john stafford articl pppnrinnitg cronkit central sun doc webrid central sun steve buni wrote decal thicker vinyl geeki temporari tatoo mean rub exempt razz that sick want you make promis order wannab badtothebon cheesi live ride eagl sit shelf wait for big ride coast hit point farther south expect contact bai area denizen repli address below charli will earli mid idea temporari geeki geeki geeka geekii fit dod imag sound bad wors ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black pig inver live ride kotrb aj king rat work dod squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouv canada live john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli slmr luca built weapon war wouldn start comput dynam bb hst vancouv canada easi access low rate friendli sysop
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl courier subject motorcycl courier summer job repli will start earnest return trip pacif coast geograph featur not bike ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black pig inver live ride kotrb aj king rat work dod squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouv canada live slmr bike will travel quickli quickli comput dynam bb hst vancouv canada easi access low rate friendli sysop
rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die articl qegpf sixgun east sun egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write sound ludicr for biker advoc restrict bike bike forum don you mean motorcyclist roid
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl apr megatek randi megatek randi davi write rider pilot happi had such effect your choic word seth time respect respons post that randi post doesn count dearth respons and didn want feel randi curiou thi dod thing number roid
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl oxz cellar org craig cellar org saint craig write true rider real ride attitud will offer wave weather harlei honda bike inless case bike your and you low acknowleg thi you find case harlei rider give wave and ride secur knowleg that persob huh roid
rec.motorcycles	recommend for front tire articl hrxj ac unix amherst edu nrmendel unix amherst edu nathaniel endel write ken orr orr epcot spdc wrote articl unix amherst edu nrmendel unix amherst edu nathaniel mendel write steve mansfield smm rodan net wrote front tire dead minim tread left time for recommend good tire front ride almost brand back steve mansfield system learn equal smm uunet net street realiti weak and poor will fall suzuki tip power balanc and tear crown dod educ mass burn white hous queensrych speak word thing match front and back that perfect such good tire that perfect rear match for front laser dod ama orr epcot spdc yeah nathaniel dod you front tire motorcycl grin
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk articl qmvutinn lynx unm edu galwai chtm eec unm edu deni mckeon write heavi traffic slow bit buffer zone front balanc minim buffer find that jerk will notic traffic move faster lane switch into and pass fine can ey jerk ahead front split attent ahead and mirror thi pretti damn complic make back motion hand arm and second time even braindead cager back don back find hell cager psychot drunk complet asshol case don want anywher and not front curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
rec.motorcycles	choke ninja problem articl apr kuhub ukan edu starr kuhub ukan edu write put supertrapp slip and had carb jet match set filter that replac stock airbox huge flat spot carbur thousand rpm gear thi frustrat highwai bike like cruis mph happen rpm sixth gear had tune and thi doesn think carb inject system gpz suggest for fix restor stock starr kuhub ukan edu brain dead ted nugent sound that your carb not jet properli you shop and shop your monei back and anoth shop bennett leve sabr drown throw orlando bagel hoggl hoggl bleve peora sdc ccur
rec.motorcycles	airhorn review for you think fiamm you want airhorn instal set bosch air horn order denni kirk latest catalog rate meter instal gage wire batteri relai compressor ground stock horn connector fit relai pin fine solder connect relai and compressor and us crimp type batteri connector and inlin amp fuse connector napa instal compressor forward fuse box front fair tie wrap steer head frame and black steel tube frame us support front fair you remov front fair thi fit frame insid fair two vertic support front fuse depend tight your fair follow frame you fit fair compressor diamet and long relai mount front steer head frame small plenti good place for found perfect place for horn that requir tie wrap mount horn fit insid front fair frame and stick side front air scoop turn signal back horn point back center bike and come real close ga tank connect front part frame room full lock lock clearanc and nice cut out frame for back horn into short horn even fair and long stick inch not that notic you close end point slightli and degre straight ahead perfect for cager chang lane into you you question mount email and can explain your bike not red you want paint work you loud sound european sport car truck vast improv stock us daili sinc instal and amp fuse not blown durat horn blast short repeatedli scare shit friend even that horn jump perfect for keep pedestrian sidewalk bottom line work loud pain and suffer stupid lane chang cage year live and rel easi instal ymmv tjk horn that suit you fight fire comment aerostich
rec.motorcycles	bui advic need for advic bui susuki inher flaw bike problem for insur rate thi bike blacklist person never ridden motorcycl bui start crazi told peopl start small and that lage handl start pound tad bit small yeah question chicago area good instruct school program aquant bui and kill get home brian email direcli not chanc read your group
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl apr hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write agreement that two explan for can us handlebar lean move motorcycl question effect domin and idea design experi seaprat two characterist and effect produc similar result bike familiar you point experi difficult physic situat calcul fact effect contribut lean bike begin turn gyro effect caus torqu twist bike contact patch shift side caus bike fall contact patch acceler side caus torqu twist bike averag bike rider averag bike wheel and speed and mph calcul twist bar need produc degre lean second each effect alon guess that slow speed domin and high speed domin and speed contribut not bugger rel speak similar problem thi runner run round corner lean into corner fast run group start counter foot argument and fall work round corner chri malcolm cam aifh depart artifici intellig edinburgh univers forrest hill edinburgh dod
rec.motorcycles	kawasaki for sale includ tha sale cover cover not sold separ trailer not sold pat
rec.motorcycles	info sport cruiser for sport cruiser factori instal fair full half hard saddl bag and and that and that sporti and seri bmw bike wonder compar type bike produc compani bmw for info jae jae cmu edu
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack azw aber andi woodward write revers thi sequenc hit bugger acceller stabilis hate thing that attack dog think you run establish domin funni noisi sheep thing and will attack bike that come for fun you can hurt bugger learn that below bike peck order and you save life futur biker evas action avoid dog put truck never avoid dog for dog sake you hate admit thi sort twist logic thi approach biker world and dog anoth worthless adversari rememb wear calf height leather boot case dog get lucki and sink teeth into your attack foot and for gusto that dog doesn retreat street tail leg time you you haven your bit for your fellow biker thi appli cage can thi dog and armor cage doesn fair fight dog control menac road user and compunct felt ensur your safeti mean destruct forc game not you dog eat dog world dave
rec.motorcycles	moa stuff hotli contest bmwoa elect and inept leadership question histori bmw organ that lead format bmwra year ago that precipit format two compet owner group stave flame rel member group and differ slick magazin major differ that gui fun art art campbel artc world std compuserv dod real bmw two wheel opinion noth thi world beat vincent and redhead girl richard thompson
rec.motorcycles	happi easter ranck joesbar edu ranck write nick pettefar npet bnr wrote english car rover reliant morgan bristol roll royc etc talk harlei technolog morgan peopl us technolog suspens design hasn chang sinc wheel back and not had reach pinnacl good design that point you want pick morgan not attack ash wood frame hand bent metal skin and replac thought kingpost suspens mog featur karen black
rec.motorcycles	dog biker and dog lover and foremost want mention common sens choic injur kill dog get injur kill ration decis insan anim right kook put dog second learn read dog bodi languag you react dog chase you think game and that you plai complet you react dog hostil intent learn present dog dog social beast and recogn domin submiss hierarchi dog two type fellow creatur that domin and that domin you unambigu repres class you god you easili anger and your anger terribl god amus properli submit domin and even rare occas dispens kind word kind word even joi raptur unforeseen dog bisquit that relat bike good idea assum that dog chase motorcycl game and not overt hostil msf suggest good you dog come slow determin place intercept you and reach that spot punch throttl that reach you long dog second react input and cannot comprehend acceler that motorcycl capabl hostil dog you repeatedli encount stronger measur thi face and import make you never face dog territori face road not drivewai larg stick roll newspap etc beast will understand that will hurt stand your ground slowli advanc your mental attitud that you angri and dispens terribl punish larger dog greater your anger dog will pick anger can pick fear and sinc you and not home territori suddenli dawn dog that perhap your territori and that you prepar fight death dog will decid that good idea retreat territori home advantag observ that you satisfi that retreat gestur submiss and escap punish interest thing dog that bodi languag commun great deal effect you commun bodi languag you year pound beast learn trick
rec.motorcycles	misc bui info need think bui motorcycl and question bui guid for us motorcycl that list reliabl bui process for etc price guid for us motorcycl blue book book articl ride cross countri motorcycl camp etc idiot guid motorcycl relat inform help respond directli lot jordan
rec.motorcycles	drain batteri problem batteri honda nighthawk week dead and recharg ride bike dai batteri and charg system check and fine suspicion that drain you idea caus thi problem sinc mechan and clueless ljubomir
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect rec motorcycl klinger ccu umanitoba jorg klinger write apr icomsim mman icomsim michael man write peopl wave return wave harlei harlei rider seldom wave back duck squid don wave return wave even each can hand bar fall problem that squid and badassbik can recogn each wave you ride cruiser you wave lift two finger left hand remov that hand handlebar you ride crotch rocket you lower left hand ankl level palm forward and call that wave gener bike rider rais hand handlebar and wave easi wave chri
rec.motorcycles	lane share year ride citi san jose santa clara and sunnyval never into conflict local polic lane split habit citi list earlier anti split anoth can whether thi due luck polic kind not ordin citi continu revco
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau write previou post dog attack gener bad karma weather attempt dog attack approv method slow screw dog triangul target and laugh dog you thi time didn work didn time ride hill lead hous encount liver and white springer spaniel relat springer softail springer spagthorp close relat spagthorp vike dog encount intent harm interest dog collis stori delet worri accid thi don prevent travel slower thi not necessarili unreason suggest for residenti area ride speed limit worri happen had car dog consol thought that insan bdi cager whip blind drivewai mph for that matter drivewai long for car hit mph end eagerli await comment drivewai and half neighbor drivewai long good click mph for veloc impair want grant live countri neighbor whip drivewai mention mph quit bit claim can that road for quit wai thi despit hit drive chev and twice take speed bicycl hood car that had pull stop driver car two month apart obmoto scari relev part that peopl and live type twisti two lane that favor for ride and damn that can bike not couldn pickup ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black pig inver live ride kotrb aj king rat work dod squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouv canada live slmr hurt dammit jim doctor comput dynam bb hst vancouv canada easi access low rate friendli sysop noth pitter patter feet word hei you not daddi had onc dean woodward you want step into world dean fring rain socio psychot state bliss virago gun rose world dod
rec.motorcycles	insur and lotsa point articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write cked for insur had dwi and for beemer rec vehicl cost almost buck insur year sell bike and car and start take bu that you can drink your prioriti lai expect that thi list lost friend drive drunk that collect sympathi will somewhat mute show great restraint keith hanlan keithh bnr bell northern research ottawa canada
rec.motorcycles	ducati opinion want articl qmnga new ysu edu yfn ysu edu albion bower write previou articl bgardner pebbl blain gardner guess touch exactli ducati twin desmo that half twin balanc weight cylind second for isn bad specif ran quater last small twin duc and pantah base twin pantah and ran credit modern carb and not put high btw fzr ran mid and latest crop japanes will run that hard rememb goof will clobber handili top end and roll technolog stand for not hard rememb bought place speed war cbx eleven mile and hors that wouldn even make good dai paid for technolog isn thing that chang ride across state guess indic thing chang that second didn line blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl apr cbnewsm att shz mare att keeper tude write huh roid complet tack eventu outcom babe bad mouth biker chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	happi easter karen black karen angelo amd wrote ranck joesbar edu ranck write nick pettefar npet bnr wrote english car rover reliant morgan bristol roll royc etc talk harlei technolog morgan peopl us technolog you want pick morgan not attack ash wood frame hand bent metal skin and replac thought kingpost suspens mog featur hei wasn pick morgan us technolog that noth wrong technolog peopl us shovel dig hole even lot power implement dig hole bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi karr cornel edu david karr write organ act easi can and organ will larg determin presid and director can that make import vote elect offic rememb heard that last elect member cast vote current board and friend and rel make membership plan stai club long vote and result strike that bmwmoa lot polit activ state and nation arena not infight organ chang thi join group that polit wouldn support moa polit activ that sens ama that and moa support ama manner that ama that accomplish strong front two not neccessarili coordin joe senner joe rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org texa splatterfest mail list fest rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi vech msstate edu craig vechorik write wrote slash two blue for bit humor lack moa owner new stuff rode dai that rode second dai thi admit surpris find interest read bore and worthless mag bodi sens humor peopl had mine dunno peopl your intend humor like articl you forget that you step into polit arena intent you intend you walk china store carri that your head you you repres membership dai you don american polit light heart joke segment popul can limelight obmoto manag squeak refer joe senner joe rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org texa splatterfest mail list fest rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi cdw dayhoff med virginia edu danc feder ranger write bui bmw cast vote for groucho thought you gonna bui bmw for superior power and handl joe senner joe rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org texa splatterfest mail list fest rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	ducati opinion want spoke sale dweeb ducati dealer blighti and had noth good appear waaaai underpow basic engin and qualiti problem rusti frame save your penni bui
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi heard academ polit thought appli bmwmoa polit dirti stake small care due worth ad and occasion technic articl new skip gener drab articl trek across iowa folk thrill power bmwmoa deserv thrill sad live provid btw vote for blood thing stir henri prang physiolog sch med blgtn dod bmwmoa gsi ride conv cage explor cage tenet major religion you wrong you deserv punish
rec.motorcycles	extraordinari footpeg engin exb csdvax csd unsw edu wrote dod er goddamn mysteri for goodi love puzzl watson game afoot todai turn degre corner dai slight differ rough spot path caus suspens compress mid corner and part bike hit ground tangibl thunk pull opportun su damag stuff delet you engin type you explain thi can you rip tightli fit steel thread thread hole alloi damag thread hole thi sort tech design thingo guess you make left turn correct edg stud contact road caus turn and unthread you had make turn tighten stud bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post mj sy uea mike sixsmith write mj secondli adhes mj tyre road suspens geometri and ground clearanc mj motorcycl dictat quickli you can swerv avoid obstacl and mj not knowledg physic rider ear you mj suggest that counterst knowledg enabl you corner faster mj compet you manag egreen east sun write not will hei you didn give chanc sheesh answer absolut eloqu describ put two rider ident machin and that will faster improv your techniqu you idea trial and error not effect methodolog understand techniqu steer motorcycl can improv that techniqu hold that thi appli human endeavor li kei thi thread kindli note differ respons and talk know ride techniqu mike argu know physic taught techniqu counterst push bar insid turn that learn fizzik gyroscop and ic cream cone and such parallel thread that stuff interest techno motorcycl geek reader rec motorcycl doesn taught averag student learn steer mike doesn make distinct peopl can carv circl couldn you newton hand intellig educ peopl that you steer motorcycl lean steer bicycl combin and knowledg physic doesn you squat knowledg techniqu bill
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl oxz cellar org craig cellar org saint craig write true rider real ride attitud will offer wave weather harlei honda bike inless case bike your and you low acknowleg not wave wink you ey hard that shield and sunglass hei you true rider real ride attitud you sens chuck roger car torrei att
rec.motorcycles	dog articl mrc ikkoku kan panda mrc ikkoku kan panda mark crispin write hostil dog you repeatedli encount stronger measur thi face and import make you never face dog territori face road not drivewai larg stick roll newspap etc beast will understand that will hurt stand your ground slowli advanc your mental attitud that you angri and dispens terribl punish larger dog greater your anger thi tactic depend for effect dog conform psycholog norm that not appli dog success won work charli manson dog that stupid larg irish setter taught thi yard appar territori dai plai game game kill angri neighbor can dispens terribl punish chuck roger car torrei att
rec.motorcycles	asshol articl jrobbin apr kingston ucla edu you rambl articl lee sea ucla edu small thunder sea ucla edu jame small write asshol scooter owner tripl park bike todai jim call propl asshol you flame learn spell asshol endem two wheel motor commun that jason wise respect hahahha made stereotyp remark unsophist you you had come your ivori tower and stoop you lower level geekism endem albino phoosbal plai commun and drive volvo rememb send your flame jrobbin ucla edu formal educ can not provid dod
rec.motorcycles	safe drive prcatic articl cvbnetprim rbemben timewarp prime rich bemben write never dilli dalli that rear side cage you pass make posit and you can pass fulli make that you attempt you can make driver awar you get into area vision thi read lot philosophi musashi book ring section long sword that strong and decis hmmm thing chang ride ey awful thing call your pillion rich fear not evil men name evil heaven protect evil men name good power corrupt check explos that cryptographi polici whitehous fridai caus curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	misc bui info need think bui motorcycl and question bui guid for us motorcycl that list reliabl bui process for etc price guid for us motorcycl blue book book articl ride cross countri motorcycl camp etc idiot guid motorcycl relat inform help respond directli lot jordan jonathan field field ci ohio state edu
rec.motorcycles	wheel rear wheel for part find salvag long get givi luggag for brunnhild and room thought carri spare ride free bill johnsw wsuvm csc wsu edu prez bimc kotv kotrr dod ama spi wmtc kotd yamabeem pdr special and volvo pain inevit suffer option
rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die rec motorcycl egreen east sun write rev throttl requir di engag clutch acceler not harlei chri
rec.motorcycles	max handl request articl apr ntuvax ntu ntuvax ntu write ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl rememb commerci for cheap top heavi import cage back driver wear stuck fake anounc smile straight fit
rec.motorcycles	bike want advic purchas articl apr mit edu jburnsid mit edu jami burnsid write relet reader quit impress useful info thi newsgroup isn thi redund
rec.motorcycles	dog articl mrc ikkoku kan panda mrc ikkoku kan panda mark crispin write biker and dog lover biker such horrid reput find human interest thing dog that bodi languag commun great deal effect you commun bodi languag you agre complet major feel can even start ration abhout dog that kill fear moment set you bit road never had problem dog curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	rgv and pose articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write articl spam math adelaid edu amydlak spam math adelaid edu adam mydlak write squid delet helment law vari state state state louisiana law personali not feet bike law law helment will save your life feet draw line blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	comment honda interceptor articl apr skyfox howp skyfox write purchas honda interceptor for cdn don mileag thi bike pictur trader magazin good shape can enlighten whether thi good purchas good bike thi will bike realiz that for beginn consid bit bike heard friend that onc beginn that had start that start bigger bike care and not drive skill level had consid and post two week ago purchas yamaha seca turbo wari prospect deal turbo road and shop thi bike price drop cdn honda good bike comment word heavi steer heavi turn requir alot effort hard access larg motor weak small front fork anti dive gizmo
rec.motorcycles	bike for sale usa recent becom father twin don can afford bike and babi babi stai harlei xlhd hei wife bike speed chain secondari lace wheel buckhorn tachomet saddlebag support sissi bar high flow air cleaner dark candi red jeff derienzo zorro tyngsboro
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli xlyx vax cit cornel edu xlyx vax cit cornel edu write wheeli motorcycl shaft drive joe senner joe rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org texa splatterfest mail list fest rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	flash articl apr new columbia edu rdc cunixf columbia edu robert castro write bike hazard light front and back turn signal flash sinc live and commut nyc number toll pai rout arriv toll booth switch hazard thisto warn motorist that will take longer second make transact take glove get monei coin changer pocket make transact put glove back take time averag cager take make transact pai toll notic that thi cager tend messag and anoth booth question thi good bad thing thi sound good thing tend will whenev don handi dandi automat coin fetcher toll payer annett for tip chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	antifreez coolant for you motorcycl liquid cool persuas brand coolant you us and for aluminum safe coolant prefer phosphat free and prefer cheaper gallon can you kaw dealer quart for offici bless holi kawasaki coolant pai that usuri chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	liabil insur requir articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna write articl tcora gator pica armi mil tcora pica armi mil tom coradeschi write articl apr walter bellcor bzzzt driver fault your insur pai you deduct recoup total cost gui gal compani fanci word for escap and pai you deduct you can gui gal compani take longer your cash oppos state farm cut check todai spot for damag wife cage word subrog you will wait for monei scumbag insur that you save pai deduct scumbag insur scum insur you pai deduct your insur pack rabid larg fang lawyer recov damag scum insur lawyer sad true call job secur for lawyer chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi you sound suspici fault doesn even advertis get lawyer loop sigh anoth naiv illus toilet tommi mcguir mcguir utexa edu mcguir austin ibm will append disclaim outgo public inform identifi person and independ ibm
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect amaz number harlei rider wave even lowli babi ninja good attitud brock yate thi month car and driver readi for war rode buss biker freedom that wanna and obsess world your rearview mirror you run sun wheel rhestless heart marti ninja motosport
rec.motorcycles	camp backpack articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write articl apr bnr dave dal farra gpz bnr write crafti girfriend make campfir bbq starter mcgiver heck you make you can bui candl wax pound cheper candl hell save your candl stub and bring light and dribbl wax kindl wood and light that belli button lint eggshel case idea you feel industri event even you can soggi summer open fuel line drain piec rough rotten wood stick that into middl inferno and carefulli strike match kurt vonnegut titl chapter cat cradl whoom work charm time dod asphaug hindmost lpl arizona edu kawi zephyr erik asphaug bmw
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk articl nielsmm nanna imv aau nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen write dai rain cat and dog therefor speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw drive meter for meter and red light calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll window and told total idiot and reason thing niel mikkel yesss you make proud merkun good thing you didn shot don that good ol boi texa onc had jeep driver south conro cut car had flip for idiot and senseless lb stretch jeep walk back block traffic dalla and houston sinc freewai squeez into singl lane and stick that finger and rip your hand and shove your ass throat stare straight ahead unblink hundr car honk eventu back into jeep face beet red anger and rest back houston tail wave honk flip yell glad decid not shoot dod asphaug hindmost lpl arizona edu kawi zephyr erik asphaug bmw
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl qjn sixgun east sun egreen east sun write waterski bike you turn handlebar left lean motorcycl thi support move contact patch beneath centr mass theori lean thi contradict for gyroscop precess counterst induc lean for waterski bike contradict noth for motorcycl not that thi morn for waterski bike sea doo for care watch lengthi carefulli and case and speed rider turn handlebar left left and word not counterst perhap waterski bike counterst curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
rec.motorcycles	european insur europ advic for citizen live and work itali for year and bui motorcycl italian friend arriv washington state work for two year and find difficult obtain car insur thought licens motorcycl endors unlimit displac and had for year washington state motorcycl safeti instructor that info will post summari even person experi bui bike and get insur itali marc lewi two kind peopl world olivetti north america divid world into marcl mail spk olivetti two kind thing and don
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl detail tip mbeav bnr michael beavington write don you hate speedo and tach your bike start cloud that nasti sunshin detail tip week us rub compound moisten rag appli rub compound and work into transluc previous transpar materi minut work plastic face dial plastic face will clear onc will not work for glass btw not respons for damag incur method model can us treatment safe beav mike beavington bellnorthernresearch ottawa ont canada dod seca seca seca suzuki seca turbo sabr gt can afford mbeav bnr mcguir make plastic scratch remov compound and plastic polish compound work great
rec.motorcycles	ship bike can recommend ship motorcycl san francisco seattl and cost rememb thread ship save instruct bike prep post email manish
rec.motorcycles	tire recomend for want articl apr cbnewsm att asalerno cbnewsm att antonio salerno write chen shing tire tire reason tire beacus hate and don feel safe recomend can tire toni throw vote for metzler economi tire good for mid size older bike rate mph wear and handl mile ride twisti work cost bit cheng irc etc sport metzler for newer bike cost chaparr for front and for rear jon mike corcoran mike corcoran sandiego ncr yamaha honda huski cross
rec.motorcycles	bdi experi kent polk kent swrind nde swri edu wrote watch your mirror time you turn had anoth close last night prepar for turn two lane road turn signal start turn and thi ladi hit throttl and start pass thi happen twice had thi happen that for ride work morn come stop light lane direct for left turn for straight and for turn mark mark bicycl lane ride into turn lane signal and stop stop line left can make turn red and start move discov that idiot pull into bike lane and pass grrr head check bike lane not for bicycl bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi bmw owner think sign for moa begin suspici throw monei rathol you gui sort thi bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg
rec.motorcycles	ship bike previou articl manish uclink berkelei edu manish vij can recommend ship motorcycl san francisco seattl and cost hmmmmmm put your butt seat and follow road sign dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
rec.motorcycles	antifreez coolant articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna write for you motorcycl liquid cool persuas brand coolant you us and for aluminum safe coolant prefer phosphat free and prefer cheaper gallon can you kaw dealer quart for offici bless holi kawasaki coolant pai that usuri preston bui shopko for that gallon bmw even expens stuff kawasaki grape grown part fatherland bmw dave don worri chang yearli and top keep gretchen happi sinc guess rabbit aluminum radiat hoppi for year and mile guess aluminum safe owner late lament rochest bmw motorcycl and good gui pooder rochest dod you care peopl richard feynman share garag space gretchen harvei note repli address you want send mail
rec.motorcycles	bike big dog articl apr cua edu wendel cua edu write heard rider give big dog such great dane ride back bike dog love make work wendel cua edu larg malmut count heard and such irrespons childish stunt dog need assist straighten onc board owner lift front leg dog and throw driver pilot shoulder dog shit eat grin face and dog ass firmli plant seat dog and thi dog activ seek each camp parti hate each person steatopygia doh that ain hottentot sesquipedalian ama dod ain
rec.motorcycles	der whassa deltabox can deltabox frame and relat that frame hawk that time gui come park lot and sez hei dude nice bike that deltabox frame can duh huh yammi deltabox and hawk frame conceptu similar yammi name hawk purer twin spar frame design invest cast steer head and swing arm ti togeth aluminum extrud beam yammi solut bit complex godfrei digiorgi ramarren appl dod ama rule never sell ducati street find rule obei rule for thing ducati cinelli toyota krup nikon soni appl telebit
rec.motorcycles	liabil insur requir articl vtserf edu ranck joesbar edu ranck write dan declerck declrckd rtsg mot wrote state fault auto insur thi appli you basic insur your vehicl and max you can sue for point made fault fact that remov lawyer system and let peopl monei faster remov lawyer reduc clog court system and reduc govern burden not requir judg work don peopl michigan peopl jersei fault hoax for year last heard state that fault insur increas rate that happen live chang reason will never back that state bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg colorado agent tell that fault appli medic coverag
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi ranck ranck joesbar edu wrote bmw owner think sign for moa begin suspici throw monei rathol concur thi polit and bicker ruin bmwmoa polit and fight current membership laps for renew hesh bmwra level superiour public opinion
rec.motorcycles	liabil insur requir tommi marcu mcguir mcguir utexa edu wrote you sound suspici fault doesn even advertis get lawyer loop sigh anoth naiv illus toilet sinc legisl lawyer difficult law pass that cut lawyer busi that fault insur law backfir bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg
rec.motorcycles	max handl request articl qjtr llb new ysu edu yfn ysu edu john daker write previou articl ntuvax ntu ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl you kid thi flame bait extrem max handl har har har har fast quickli lastest rumor rear wheel handl dream straight line and get tad upset review cycl world corner you can handl good big standard earli not compar what state art dai thi gleem review and discuss owner lust thi bike bradw newbridg sig plan clue dod
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk articl nielsmm nanna imv aau nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen write dai rain cat and dog therefor speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw drive meter for meter and red light calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll window and told total idiot and reason thing absolut you cager will pull gun and blow you bob mugel jungl bob email rmugel oracl senior comput linguist phone oracl corp moto concour irv texa dod vegetarian eat veget bewar humanitarian bob
rec.motorcycles	bike want advic purchas articl apr mit edu jburnsid mit edu jami burnsid write alot harder load trailer kdx road legal tomorrow ignor afforement concern transmiss and take chanc worri tran relet reader quit impress useful info thi newsgroup dod number busi ride thi count cat dod faq mailx hahahha jburnsid mit edu wait press return chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	fault articl galileo rtn boe meb galileo rtn boe michael bain write insur compani for fault coverag sinc major accid cager fault doesn thi impli that pai higher rate fault system car system make sens surfac legal cost system motorcyclist screw yup point cost insur not fault crappiest driver make bandit longer bear respons pai for insur that boost price for crappi driver good driver pai nose spread cost crappi driver action and that not fair plan that cap rate for crappi driver inher piec shit rest end pai plan that speed ticket basi for rais rate piec shit base lie that faster driver inher safe slower driver and nhtsa disprov that two year ago chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write grf drop shoei seat bike rock centerstand chip heck paint cheerfulli spent bottl testor model paint and repaint scratch and chip for minut question for dai passeng helmet you don for gonna ride you you meet church meet yeah that ticket guidelin pick anoth shoei size backup helmet inexpens smaller size accomod like passeng don stupid leav your helmet seat can fall and boom that kind fall helmet design protect you fall helmet and you hit spot helmet land drop helmet not protect your head intend conserv rec moto er will recommend that you replac helmet you want that will protect you adequ you helmet ground tabl chair shelf surfac that larg support that will not easili knock jeezu shoei replac you leav chanc cripe chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl apr cbnewsm att shz mare att keeper tude write rider pilot practic riceburn pass recent wave and wonder will last simpli overexuber that burner remov winter moth ball and novelti will dissip perhap grai beard that sprout sinc last rice season make friendli fart that deserv wave you rid that yorn and bui rice rocket your that explain friendli you had piec toilet paper stuck bottom your boot rich rich bemben dod rbemben timewarp prime triumph bonnevil fear not evil men name evil heaven protect evil men name good
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl detail tip chuck kuczaj csk wdl wdl loral wrote mbeav bnr michael beavington write mcguir make plastic scratch remov compound and plastic polish compound work great tip let motorcycl detail tip side instrument panel scuf previou owner dump bike true for turn signal scuf area black plastic recal read that plastic compound you coat scuf area rub end nice smooth shini finish idea toni toni jone ant crai uunet crai ant cmc codegener group softwar divis crai research inc lone oak drive eagan
rec.motorcycles	edu breath articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write articl apr rtsg mot declrckd rtsg mot dan declerck write differ opinion and differ motorcycl sport bike rider and cruiser bike rider that differ mind close mind individu had motorcycl time rider cruiser bike don eddi ride continu thi forum and street you find quit differ opinion motorcycl individu cruiser bike rider view motorcycl sport bike rider and dislik motorcycl thi not close mind not recogn thi effect close mind lot remind rec motorcycl and insipid flame ag thereof you dislik occasion leather clad poser pal read scan for inform lot nois and pointless flame ag us trn you problem that for you dan declerck email declrckd rtsg mot motorola cellular apd friend don friend wear neon phone
rec.motorcycles	edu breath articl apr rtsg mot declrckd rtsg mot dan declerck write articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write articl apr rtsg mot declrckd rtsg mot dan declerck write differ opinion and differ motorcycl sport bike rider and cruiser bike rider that differ mind close mind individu had motorcycl time rider cruiser bike don eddi ride continu thi forum and street you find quit differ opinion motorcycl individu motorcycl slightli each and thi natur peopl and beauti sport cruiser bike rider view motorcycl sport bike rider and dislik motorcycl thi not close mind and view exactli that singl rider cruiser bike hold veiw that sport bike rider possibl hold quantifi your gener for care you pigeonhol bunch peopl dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire concour mmmmmmmmmm beat you dave ring ding woop you never learn ama dod cog chicago beth bruiser dixon
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl apr hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write waterski bike you turn handlebar left lean motorcycl don thi case not jetski friend jetski bar turn left left you chang yaw jet relationship handlbar and rear mount jet complet arbitrari simpl linkag make work thi support move contact patch beneath centr mass theori lean thi contradict for gyroscop precess counterst induc lean that jetski even irrelev thi discuss snow ski amus digress hei you explain fact that you pull hors rein left left confus two thread phil stone address pstone motorcycl
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorc egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write articl castl wbg festiv geak write ultra sticki label print your favourit curs good even local hospit us wheel clamp put size each window cage apart complex us live thi put thing driver window couldn miss friend damn wreck home night vision block sticker suggest manag enorm liabil assum pull that stunt not that logic can liabil put sticker car move bdi that choos start and drive car unsaf condit that liabl had last chanc avoid unsaf situat addit factor attribut blame sticker window effect problem take blade window remov stubborn sticker stori that that nice paint job door jeff jeffrei friedl omron corpor nagaokakyo kyoto japan jfriedl omron jfriedl cmu edu dod xbk cbr visit research mach project carnegi mellon pittsburgh
rec.motorcycles	splitfir plug kinda offic whaz earlier read net splitfir plug gui think and almost shot hell that show team that us split fire addit insight and theori splitfir plug and boost opposs cage splitfir origin made burn fuel effici and increas power for cage for gui splitfir increas perform increas torqu weren focus horsepow number thi relat high perform pilot that depend you pilot high perform cylind machin case cylind splitfir increas torqu make top end horsepow torqu pack low for splitfir not significantli increas power twin you gui laugh twin time carri weight sometim can make for loss doug polen scott russel daytona twin make torqu thoughout powerband thi translat increas torqu theoret twin make power splitfir claim that not extra mod made stick don thi and catch splitfir twin race team ducati team fast ferraci us splitfir season thi had jami jame run for don stop sinc check had peac warren wcd uxa cso uiuc edu suzuki will travel local fix shop bike repairest look dump ask gui happen dump clutch fast pretti fast insur nope fixer smile you bike not
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk articl rmugel apr oasun oracl robert mugel rmugel oracl write absolut you cager will pull gun and blow you guess probabl bmw driver gun lower vehicl like luxosedan hop pickup truck for exampl mark mark burnham markb novel ama dod alfa romeo gtv ninja
rec.motorcycles	daemon child articl apr research nec behanna syl syl nec chri behanna write articl bethdc netcom bethd netcom beth dixon write bzzzzt discov tour bike nifti cach for thing coin lipstick duc doesn back carri lipstick jacket pocket life hard denizen think that natur thought kiss that waxi shit smear woman lip definit turn clear lipstick chapstick etc fit natur waxi shit categori wear lip dry kiss dry crack parch lip isn fun not that kiss beth noemi not tom you won noemi speak for beth beth true beth dixon bethd netcom yamaha excit girl dod yamaha spike garag rat fssnoc ducati ama ducati monza restor project kqspt can handl thi side derang top
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack articl uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau write previou post dog attack gener bad karma weather attempt dog attack approv method slow screw dog triangul target and laugh dog you thi time didn work didn time ride hill lead hous encount liver and white springer spaniel relat springer softail springer spagthorp close relat spagthorp vike dog encount intent harm stuff delet ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black pig inver live ride kotrb aj king rat work dod squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouv canada live hope you cost replac panel owner owner reluct stop local spca prefer your foot leg swollen file visciou dog report trick glenn schmall astroid armori not cross oncom lane hell beam cafe death that california highwai you yeah dod mercuri new
rec.motorcycles	women jacket daemon child articl apr mnemosyn edu jhenslei nyx edu john henslei write beth dixon bethd netcom wrote duc doesn back carri lipstick jacket pocket life hard wife for jacket and men style don fit fit shoulder and arm tight across chest that suggest assum that pilot addit handi storag facil pretti decent fit compani that make reason line women motorcycl stuff importantli boulder denver shop that bother carri lucki found jacket like that fit make pilot jacket mine similar style made leather san jose bought last two made find decent women motorcycl gear not easi lot stuff that fring made fashion leather made fit men etc don shop your area women rider friendli place san francisco san jose area don recommend bui cloth mail order hard fit bate custom make leather you want call and cost estim for type jacket your wife interest larg manufactur bmw and sell women line cloth decent qualiti fit iffi ago noemi and lisa sievert talk start busi thi sort thing don final decid beth beth true beth dixon bethd netcom yamaha excit girl dod yamaha spike garag rat fssnoc ducati ama ducati monza restor project kqspt can handl thi side derang top
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk articl nielsmm nanna imv aau nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen write nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen subject act front traffic jerk date thu apr gmt dai rain cat and dog therefor speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw drive meter for meter and red light calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll window and told total idiot and reason thing work for avoid obscen and remain calm cool and collect and you almost kill and not move you apolog benign that haven shot singl time don texa and plenti wit steve steve moselei moselei washington edu microbiolog phone univers washington fax seattl
rec.motorcycles	kreme folk recent post kreme bad idea that man opinion experi stuff
rec.motorcycles	aerostitch piec request for opinion piec aerostitch two piec aerostitch for versatil protect advanc nadin
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet articl sixgun east sun egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write your primari concern protect passeng event crash fit for helmet that size your primari concern compli stupid helmet law carri real big spare you can put big small head big helmet not small carri want compli intellig helmet law comment impli support for helmet law such support infer promis promis steve steve moselei moselei washington edu microbiolog phone univers washington fax seattl
rec.motorcycles	max handl request articl apr ntuvax ntu ntuvax ntu write ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl depend context you want comment handl great compar bike not good compar you compar put mile never own randi davi email randi megatek pilot uunet ucsd megatek randi dod thi eleven nigel tufnel spinal tap
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet articl sixgun east sun egreen east sun write articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write question for dai passeng helmet you don for gonna ride you you meet church meet yeah that ticket guidelin pick anoth shoei size backup helmet inexpens smaller size accomod like passeng your primari concern protect passeng event crash fit for helmet that size your primari concern compli stupid helmet law carri real big spare you can put big small head big helmet not small you can accomplish goal you definit physic type mind you cough church meet your tast tend smaller petit cough churchgoer like that will smaller head and you can safe medium small helmet thi work for and trade spare larg helmet friend for women that and can fit into medium size helmet previous had you aren picki size cough churchgoer you give help motorcycl ride advic will hopefulli cover eventu legal concern and spare handtowel tankbag make accept pad passeng can viewport pad viewport case extrem mismatch randi davi email randi megatek pilot uunet ucsd megatek randi dod thi eleven nigel tufnel spinal tap
rec.motorcycles	ducati opinion want articl jwc srgenprp frankb sad frank ball write godfrei digiorgi ramarren appl wrote ducati model essenti reduc displac mean weigh and size power produc specif meet vehicl tax restrict ducati model essenti reduc displac mean weigh and size power and brake bzzzt pound lighter person and recent wit stoppi larger averag rider aboard two finger that meas singl front disk accomplish task brake you such somewhat larg and overweight for motor will handl magnific won fast flaw mention limit steer lock annoy note tester and mirror aren perfect haven rpm break and haven had problem slow limit steer lock can problem you aren prepar for mirror good imho forgot design whazza you matta philosophi hewlett packard fax home vallei hous drive seca hmmmm don your sig miss beth beth true beth dixon bethd netcom yamaha excit girl dod yamaha spike garag rat fssnoc ducati ama ducati monza restor project kqspt can handl thi side derang top
rec.motorcycles	choke ninja problem starr kuhub ukan edu write put supertrapp slip and had carb jet match set filter that replac stock airbox ahh and carb rejet match you made bike stage kit dynojet huge flat spot carbur thousand rpm gear isn rejet fun thi frustrat highwai bike like cruis mph happen rpm sixth gear had tune and thi doesn think carb inject system gpz suggest for fix restor stock carb that fix you jet match extrem overli lean condit you ad free flow exhaust and higher flow filter chanc lean thi not that big fun carb tune tricki your and choic you want spend hour fiddl carb gui witha dyno and tune carb for your current set you plai guess game for long time erik astrup afm dod cbr cbr concour ninja thi eleven nigel tufnel lead guitar spinal tap
rec.motorcycles	long last tire for small bike wsh amsun apma virginia edu will heyman write rear tire small front that size recomend call tire compani and you can make recomend for you that your bet check biker magazin cycl world etc for phone number tire erik astrup afm dod cbr cbr concour ninja thi eleven nigel tufnel lead guitar spinal tap
rec.motorcycles	edu breath articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write articl apr rtsg mot declrckd rtsg mot dan declerck write articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write articl apr rtsg mot declrckd rtsg mot dan declerck write differ opinion and differ motorcycl sport bike rider and cruiser bike rider that differ mind close mind individu had motorcycl time rider cruiser bike don eddi ride continu thi forum and street you find quit differ opinion motorcycl individu motorcycl slightli each and thi natur peopl and beauti sport cruiser bike rider view motorcycl sport bike rider and dislik motorcycl thi not close mind and view exactli that singl rider cruiser bike hold veiw that sport bike rider possibl hold quantifi your gener for care you pigeonhol bunch peopl that plastic bodywork useless that torqu and upright ride posit slightli radic forward ride posit combin high rpm low torqu motor cruiser motorcyclist chrome import sport bike motorcyclist chrome impact bui choic motiv sole price criteria each rider select vehicl choic ignor criteria insensit word motorcycl can fufil requir that sport bike rider and cruiser rider sometim hard for motorcycl fufil person requir you fish for flame dave thi differ opinion analog differ sport car owner and luxuri car owner thi moot convers dan declerck email declrckd rtsg mot motorola cellular apd friend don friend wear neon phone
rec.motorcycles	ship bike articl qkhrm agat berkelei edu manish uclink berkelei edu manish vij write can recommend ship motorcycl san francisco seattl and cost rememb thread ship save instruct bike prep post email manish step join ama american motorcycl associ call ama join step you becom member will ship your bike uncrat anywher across fruit plain for hundr buck us thi servic and continu pleas dai for thing and you not prepar bike drain ga not mention that normal ship cost time you crate bike and ship anoth compani you can pai nick coburn dod ama cbr cbr coburnn spot colorado edu
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi articl joz hln cup chri steinbron hesh cup write ranck ranck joesbar edu wrote bmw owner think sign for moa begin suspici throw monei rathol current membership laps for renew hesh case that not for anoth year hint will organ busi that long and prefer longer and worth part david karr karr cornel edu
rec.motorcycles	trace licens plate bdi cager articl apr adob cjackson adob curti jackson wrote good advic hesh time back for zen refresh imagin you lili gentli float darken pool and bdc volvo come careen freewai and land top you pool you can win jim jim franklin jamesf appl jim bob son cagiva alazzurra signatur remodl triumph slalom champ low price qualiti workman dod kotp ship call todai for free estimit
rec.motorcycles	get saddl bag hei pretti wonder world motorcycl bought us kaw csr friend wonder kind saddl bag for sinc noth bag for ga tank cost and hold for your advic ride love jbourgui uc indiana edu dod
rec.motorcycles	saddl bag and helmet for sale sell item pair hard saddl bag easi instal snap releas featur lock black brand krusur two oshi full face helmet for com bike that sell you us thing bike and accessori yamaha vision call medi work home medi montaseri montasmm ntmtv am mcdcup ntmtv montasmm
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write grf drop shoei seat bike rock centerstand chip heck paint congraul your helmet pass snell test cheerfulli spent bottl testor model paint and repaint scratch and chip for minut not save your head you drop mike mike seal yamaha inform group dod level tower terrac email homer inform wellington phone zealand fax
rec.motorcycles	stolen cbr stolen pasadena and blue and white honda cbr california plate cbr serial number xpm engin number turn signal mirror light tape for track rider session willow spring tomorrow guess miss find babi kjg
rec.motorcycles	ship bike can recommend ship motorcycl san francisco seattl and cost recommend that you hop back and cruis that nice ride you choos your rout care shouldn cost ga and night motel bill mellon mellon ncd uunet lupin mellon member leagu for program freedom find softwar patent cost you your program contact lpf uunet net
rec.motorcycles	max handl request bradw newbridg brad warkentin write handl good big standard earli not compar what state art dai you back thi opinion come ride and max find enjoy ride max fast twisti road clayton brook heart cbrook uki edu pot blue cbrook ukma bitnet lex grass and rutger uunet ukma cbrook bourbon countri ama nma maa am acbl dod
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi can resign bmw moa and remaind year membership refund
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl oxz cellar org craig cellar org saint craig write shz mare att keeper tude write true rider real ride attitud will offer wave weather harlei honda bike inless case bike your and you low acknowleg thi you find case harlei rider give wave and ride secur knowleg that persob persob kinda that peopl wave return wave harlei harlei rider seldom wave back duck squid don wave return wave even each can michael man mman icomsim nextmail accept flstf fatboi ducati
rec.motorcycles	trace licens plate bdi cager articl apr isc jeq lachman jonathan quist wrote you file complaint for danger oper motor vehicl and sign will show court come you can thi morn lane chang freewai and look mirror theer car look second car posit not acceler tripl check head turn and decid plenti room acceler travel mile stai feet teh bumper car ahead and casual mirror check thi gui tail mean you couldn stick hair tire fender mirror slowli teh throttl stai had lost mph and come and cut big time follow for mile and final bore and turn back into work can file complaint thi and chanc jim jim franklin jamesf appl jim bob son cagiva alazzurra signatur remodl triumph slalom champ low price qualiti workman dod kotp ship call todai for free estimit
rec.motorcycles	bike want advic purchas articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna write articl apr mit edu jburnsid mit edu jami burnsid write alot harder load trailer kdx road legal tomorrow ignor afforement concern transmiss and take chanc worri tran relet reader quit impress useful info thi newsgroup dod number busi ride thi count thought cat dod faq mailx hahahha jburnsid mit edu wait press return chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog jack water dod don fear thief night that come afternoon asleep that worri
rec.motorcycles	ship bike articl mellon apr pepper ncd mellon ncd ted lemon write can recommend ship motorcycl san francisco seattl and cost recommend that you hop back and cruis that nice ride you choos your rout care shouldn cost ga and night motel bill coast portland nice and even wai watch weather good drench oregon coast rang onc howard berkei howard netcom
rec.motorcycles	stolen aarghhhh dam dam dam ritvax isc rit edu write dam back drom work todai bike dam proced side shit dry rider cover dam bare two week and god stole trash honda red white blue cover residenti palo alto coupl week ago cover had hole burnt exhaust etc etc figur kid not jet netcom eric townsend dod hafta kill you thi fun account work email jet na nasa gov you put ducki you wanna plai saxophon skate unix die boyo
rec.motorcycles	chang sprocket ratio honda honda guru can replac front sprocket honda slightli larger thi prefer reduc size rear want ride relax rpm clayton brook heart cbrook uki edu pot blue cbrook ukma bitnet lex grass and rutger uunet ukma cbrook bourbon countri ama nma maa am acbl dod
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi boi bike versu scuffl grow and that for you hope that dump dempster campaign work that crook and supris that thi long for ain hand not that want bed wacko run throw rathol effect send club you wouldn you don magazin you sinc moa politburo instal don lack sort panach had and bike static moa
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl apr adob cjackson adob curti jackson write perhap waterski bike counterst sea doo boat turn chang angl duct propel waterski bike motorcycl ski each wheel handlebar connect familiar steer head front ski handl motorcycl bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	daemon child articl bethdc jul netcom bethd netcom beth dixon write articl apr research nec behanna syl syl nec chri behanna write articl bethdc netcom bethd netcom beth dixon write bzzzzt discov tour bike nifti cach for thing coin lipstick duc doesn back carri lipstick jacket pocket life hard denizen think that natur thought kiss that waxi shit smear woman lip definit turn clear lipstick chapstick etc fit natur waxi shit categori wear lip dry kiss dry crack parch lip isn fun agre chapstick fit waxi shit categori notic that steal annett chapstick appli lip crack thi past winter previou winter sigh price pai not that kiss beth noemi not tom you won noemi speak for darl annett guess you can readi barf bag chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	ship bike can recommend ship motorcycl san francisco seattl and cost ship portland oregon daytona for thi year bike week rode back compani us feder you can reach you ama member discount for ama not call ama join becom ama member ship cost base number mile cost for portland orlando that insur had ride ship dock and siphon ga can pick bike busi bike arriv time orlando had adjust mirror and add ga bike perfect shape gari
rec.motorcycles	bike hors insect impac cooper mprgate mpr greg cooper write articl qeftj sixgun east sun egreen east sun green articl sda usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mike sturd except averag you can bare fart fuck you mike gentlemen greg confus aren gentlemen thi newsgroup two robert smit ladysmith luca built weapon war emd ham almanac never start
rec.motorcycles	recommend for front tire articl qfkqhinn rodan net smm rodan net steve mansfield write front tire dead minim tread left time for recommend good tire front ride almost brand back stick front laser front gpz and fantast tire front tire had graem weir dod fido unb univers brunswick fredericton canada damn box jockei full speed ahead live flame flame live gpz trek mtb
rec.motorcycles	long trip articl uupcb freddi ersi edmonton mark harrison freddi ersi edmonton mark harrison write motorcycli don even bike and will long trip edmonton vancouv tip bare essenti for trip tool cloth emerg repair bike you respond thi you gonna yer cage thi market for us cycl tip for don burnt appreci mark oughta gang tool faq thi gui hmmm andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen write thing denmark short sword and cleav car half sinc assum you didn short sword you problem your choic substitut action dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau write ride hill lead hous encount liver and white springer spaniel relat springer softail springer spagthorp close relat spagthorp vike miss articl spagthorp vike that illumin dragon head front fender style copi indian and round side cover accid delet worri accid thi don prevent travel slower thi not necessarili unreason suggest for residenti area ride speed limit you can forget thi line reason anim decid you noth you can genet put mere mph gravel road loos rock bad concret and lb swing beef jump fenc ditch and ram jump fenc for ga sinc feet ahead good forti side damn cow liter chase and nail damag cow bent case guard and sever annoi rider casualti had shotgun eat steak nope lb cow can hit activ evad forget manuever dog run dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
rec.motorcycles	flash behanna syl nec chri behanna write arriv toll booth switch hazard thisto warn motorist that will take longer second make transact question thi good bad thing thi sound good thing second that addit find hazard us horn speed below mph interst quit common mountain truck state requir flasher rural area flasher gui you tractor larg implement us whenev you commun that thing will deviat norm chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name that paint green sinc green triumph that friend own sold name free for adopt name thunderpickl grab you dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
rec.motorcycles	max handl request apr ntuvax ntu ntuvax ntu write ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl max strait line shit shrough goos corner ride honda dream dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
rec.motorcycles	bike hors insect impact articl txd mkt txd esd tom dietrich write previou articl egreen east sun green pixel cruncher lot thing quot articl rgu usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mike sturdev write you your averag dirt biker can jump foot log log that suspend ground for that matter log that suspend ground imagin you don jump that you lai bike and slide jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	batteri storag not charg and store dry put coupl bike storag for month start month and contempl easi control batteri that bui batteri tender for each and leav plug time bike storag fine not that never heard discuss thi idea reason isn great can mistak fulli charg batteri drain electrolyt into separ contain for each batteri seal contain close batteri and leav that that bike come storag put electrolyt back batteri and fulli charg wrong thi relat note for you bai area denizen wasn had bunch spare edta month back left for and robert
rec.motorcycles	liabil insur requir articl apr newbridg bradw newbridg brad warkentin write articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write lost attribut area driver requir show proof financi respons mean insur requir pull driver bellyach net don pull and check law enforc fact case lot monei don you requir for yearli plate sticker ontario and manitoba for and provinc you show proof insurnac you renew your plate sticker concept that owner car not respons for action author user car that biggest argument photo radar ticket system you pai outstand ticket even cross provinc agreement ontario and quebec that unpaid ticket provinc record date sticker bad troubl that you recours mi issu ticket cleric error comput follow you citi chicago inform motto citi work issu dozen park ticket each year peopl never set foot tire citi jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar thi todai newspap fortun guzzler bar bar barnstapl england reuter motorcyclist drunk insur payment year ban wednesdai pub england and wale david robert had award cash compens for lose leg motorcycl accid spent virtual cider court barnstapl southwest england told judg malcolm coteril ban robert bar england and wale for month and put two year probat start brawl pub bruce clark environ mail bclark galaxi gov
rec.motorcycles	solar batteri charger good solar batteri booster and come guarante hand heard that peopl us success commun directli such person you your experi you us occasion charg long term leav for week etc robert kennedi robert kennedi offic robert stanford edu home voic comput scienc dept stanford univers home tty
rec.motorcycles	gentlemen articl cvbnetprim tjohnson tazmanian prime tod johnson write articl uupcb freddi ersi edmonton grant barkwel freddi ersi edmonton grant barkwel write knowledg simpli posess motorcycl can you laid true thankfulli true gentlemen favor and excus comment your sexual fortun net tod you misspok bank own motorcycl laid doubt sexual fortun quit revers jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	happi easter articl apr hasler ascom kevinh hasler ascom write sell bmw even test bmw cornich will remain british for time hard roll royc own british firm god that end civil jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die articl sixgun east sun egreen east sun write loud pipe biliger exercis ego project arguement fact avoid accid rev engin and stock harlei pipe make nois draw someon attent instinct rev engin for horn don and work that import not louder pipe harlei loud and get notic road for that reason person not feel loud you that bad america home free land atlanta brave you want fine tune machin feder govern involv and pass restrict gener that move rev your engin will you notic horn hand throttl into feet bike mph second long push horn button and aren you gui that doesn even bike tod johnson dod slow geritol
rec.motorcycles	liabil insur requir articl apr walter bellcor fist iscp bellcor richard pierson write let thi fault stuff straight live start rate alot move and rate alot and stori you sit park lot lunch and wack you guess insur pai for give you weeni insur compani stupid law that jerk hit park lot insruanc compani doesn sue doesn immedi fault and insur compani hell rais rate andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorc articl qjmf sixgun east sun egreen east sun write articl castl wbg festiv geak write ultra sticki label print your favourit curs good even local hospit us wheel clamp put size each window cage apart complex us live thi put thing driver window couldn miss friend damn wreck home night vision block sticker suggest manag enorm liabil assum pull that stunt claim driver fault for illeg park place that good for laugh two court found liabl for care put sticker cage window yeah make darn you cover glass driver can expect drive thing car jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar bclark galaxi gov write thi todai newspap fortun guzzler bar bar barnstapl england reuter motorcyclist drunk insur payment year ban wednesdai pub england and wale david robert had award cash compens for lose leg motorcycl accid spent virtual cider court barnstapl southwest england told judg malcolm coteril ban robert bar england and wale for month and put two year probat start brawl pub justic lost leg and had give motorcycl assum david didn that can leg want swamp even for ten year admit prefer homebrew pubbrew judg coteril troubl can you that chanc you can and convinc rule backward nick perhap lad deserv for start brawl bad form horribl bad form for get drunk that thought natur born and for spend monei good care moolah even spend recklessli asham human matt block koch dod honda
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi articl apr cornel edu karr cornel edu david karr write rivet bmwmoa elect soap opera detail delet doesn shortag altern candid you not vote for vechorik bui bmw cast vote for groucho ride safe cliff weston dod seca tem thi bike excel condit work glen crash stone
rec.motorcycles	european insur move sweden and test written and road even had valid licens for year resid and drive licens resid don itali eec
rec.motorcycles	camp question articl bnr npet bnr nick pettefar write back youth ahem wiffi and moi purchas gadget heat water sourc for car us thought work apart slight problem had rev lower and motor die lack electron movement colonist replac bolt bottom barrel tap want coffe rev engin boil and pour cup hot water us ethylen glycol antifreez methanol tast sweeter roger collier sun sun microsystem coventri england dod gsxr keeper gsxr list
rec.motorcycles	aerostitch piec articl apr vax cit cornel edu vax cit cornel edu write request for opinion piec aerostitch two piec aerostitch for versatil protect advanc nadin scare fit piec two piec jacket and pant due manli man athlet build kind thing laugh not trim and pant big don piec provid protect wrong swiftli gentli correct net pansi knowledg call regard jack water dod don fear thief night that come afternoon asleep that worri
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post leavitt umd edu bill write mj sy uea mike sixsmith write mj imho tell newbi counterst counter product mj co confus rode quit happili for year mj know noth counterst cannot ride differ mj that interpret thi mean that you repres motorcyclist world mike presumpt you imho humbl opinion leavitt umd edu bill write leavitt time learn counterst techniqu you leavitt start learn you develop bad habit rode for leavitt year take msf erc and learn leavitt counterst year and leavitt conscious don steer counterst leavitt habit die hard and bad habit even harder mj bill thi complet bollock you learn counterst mj time you rode bike natur and intuit mike not kick can you not counterst mph stone that kick for sake argument conced that counterst sake argument mj msf not teach you counterst told you mj you and that didn that confus newbi big differ know happen and make extrem case emerg swerv and let bike make turn onc knew precis happen and make abruptli and command emerg avoid abil improv tenfold not mention big improv normal corner abil profici know counterst motorcycl let motorcycl steer that rememb cognit command bike let run corner return origin comment learn happen start and charg develop bad habit for ride bill you kid firstli motorcycl not steer rider can that secondli adhes tyre road suspens geometri and ground clearanc motorcycl dictat quickli you can swerv avoid obstacl and not knowledg physic rider ear you suggest that counterst knowledg enabl you corner faster compet you manag mike extrem gratifi for you that you such natur affin and prowess for motorcycl that formal train total wast time for you assum your total train hasn come simpli read rec motorcycl motorcyclist discuss formal rider educ regard experi overwhelmingli posit thi amount experi brought into rang minut year formal train thi countri awar not includ counterst theori found counterst six year ago physic lectur motorcyclist didn steer bike make turn left and analys close and realiz interest bit knowledg and had lot fun sinc tell sceptic that interest bit knowledg and claim that essenti for biker that you can corner faster result absurd formal train view absolut essenti you ride bike properli and safe includ counterst theori newbi cours confus peopl unnecessarili time import matter for learn and that origin point mike
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride norman hamer maven eskimo wrote gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow gener find that two decent hit nitrou ride improv enorm drink silli your breath smell cost lot monei and pig can detect machin work for nick wow biker dod concis errr lud nick pettefar contractor larg incarcer bnr maidenhead unit kingdom npet bnr bmw kai pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	oil articl dlvo skate gsfc nasa gov tim intrepid gsfc nasa gov tim seiss write oil oil level top mark window lower side motor notic that oil level window gradual decreas mile check window bike level ground and sat idl for awhil oil chanc drain back into pan bike isn leak oil place and don smoke come exhaust owner manual amount oil high and low mark oil level window approx quart bike quart mile owner manual figur for max oil consumpt mile question whether degre oil consumpt bike normal owner oil level gradual and consist bike for work ask local gui data point can normal for bmw bike us oil thousand mile don had bike and us bit oil max quart mile thi quit and time had mile oil consumpt told that harder you run bike reason sooner stop oil charli smith charli elektro cmhnet org kotdohl kotwitdodl kspi dod doh ama moa buckei beemer ohio bmw triumph columbu ohio usa
rec.motorcycles	internet discuss list articl moe ksu ksu edu bparker uafhp uark edu brian parker write world motorcyl lover lover start discuss list internet for peopl interest talk bike discuss and you interest join drop line sinc isn list you post you send and distribut mon join and enjoi huh thi gui invent wreck motorcycl curiou mind want charli smith charli elektro cmhnet org kotdohl kotwitdodl kspi dod doh ama moa buckei beemer ohio bmw triumph columbu ohio usa
rec.motorcycles	internet discuss list articl moe ksu ksu edu bparker uafhp uark edu brian parker write world motorcyl lover lover start discuss list internet for peopl interest talk bike discuss and you interest join drop line sinc isn list you post you send and distribut mon join and enjoi second thought didn invent wreck moto round figur dod theme song faq come charli smith dod doh kspt noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi lock
rec.motorcycles	bike and contact articl apr new columbia edu sc cunixb columbia edu sebastian sear write articl apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write articl ckp new cso uiuc edu dcl nxt cso uiuc edu student write quick question recent bike and drive problem wind mess contact ga permeabl full face helmet face sheild work for thi doesn work for wind that blow insid and dry ey dust eventu wear sunglass insid helmet wear sunglass insid full face helmet dirt wind contact mumbl mumbl mumbl charli smith dod doh kspt
rec.motorcycles	for mainten manual for honda articl apr wam umd edu buffalo wam umd edu duncan sterl write think that tour push envelop twin local honda dealer that honda dream commonli refer tour bike water problem back rode puch pari barcelona and back that two stroke and back repres size bike road consid big bike and superbik dai bigger real rare charli smith dod doh kspt noth water mai voulez vou peu melang
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorcycl piss evelyn well apr cst wibbl onc thi morn pull design motorcycl park area find cage pull bike peopl don doubl park car motorcycl never mind that rhetor question want can carri piec paper that don park your car motorcycl area call cop wait emerg build and berat beg forgiv thi problem and you evi don you local branch you prefer method phone ira and car and that belong northern ireland govern committe hour and car longer problem not park close nick veng biker dod concis oxford plastic lud nick pettefar contractor larg incarcer bnr maidenhead unit kingdom npet bnr bmw kai pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	bike hors insect impact jonathan quist thu apr gmt wibbl articl txd mkt txd esd tom dietrich write previou articl egreen east sun green pixel cruncher lot thing quot articl rgu usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mike sturdev write you your averag dirt biker can jump foot log log that suspend ground for that matter log that suspend ground imagin you don jump that you lai bike and slide jonathan quist nice thing hors that break middl you can eat fuel bit cheaper nick biker dod concis oxford giddi lud nick pettefar contractor larg incarcer bnr maidenhead unit kingdom npet bnr bmw kai pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	extraordinari footpeg engin articl apr csdvax csd unsw edu exb csdvax csd unsw edu write dod er goddamn mysteri for stud side bike that clunk turn absent fairli event fact thread hole footpeg perfectli intact evid forcefulli rip moment previous you engin type you explain thi can you rip tightli fit steel thread thread hole alloi damag thread hole you can knock thread stud hole destroi thread part stud hole stud not hole you touch that side bike doom
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write articl zen sy uea mj sy uea mike sixsmith write egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write that argu gyroscop etc throughli understand techniqu counterst includ that counterst corner underli physic matter and not taught beginn agre counterst techniqu taught for understand techniqu can develop maxim effect emerg avoid manuv thi thing disagre agre disagre that tell newbi steer left turn unnecessarili confus bike and ride damn thing exactli happen git that haven clue understand physic traction fine cannot detail theori that place motorcyl train you that maximum traction obtain tyre begin slide road violent disagr you state true insuffici form traction manag polici traction increas appli normal forc traction front wheel increas weight shift brake forc and correspondingli decreas rear techniqu appli brake and eas rear and increas pressur front can learn understand weight shift and traction jeez you start talk traction manag polici thought you make weird refer railwai locomot offici line doubt that front brake appli rear brake idea that you avoid lock rear weight transfer take place practic suspect peopl you describ brake tire begin slide useless advic newbi and slide tire find that inform develop brake techniqu that brake and weight shift develop you don slide tyre you know whether you achiev maximum brake not not suggest that you aim brake hard you possibl can you want find limit machin you case for maximum brake suggest you aim wheel point slide you exactli you suggest
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl articl apr alw nih gov gregh niagara dcrt nih gov gregori humphrei write bui bike insur turn month parent take care insur till and comprehens list cost that bui motorcycl insur live washington that make differ depend bike onc you found bike you interest call insur compani for rate bike cheaper insur you cost year loui recommend bui for for bike recommend and bike short feet ground you stop piec advic will give you motorcycl safeti foundat rider dealer for detail state complet such can give you break insur will teach you ride properli begin you won learn bad habit good luck ride motorcycl fun you can nake alan
rec.motorcycles	insur discount erik asphaug asphaug lpl arizona edu wrote insur agent offer multi vehicl discount thi time for car assum that you capabl progress offer multi vehicl discount good price imho toni toni jone ant crai uunet crai ant cmc codegener group softwar divis crai research inc lone oak drive eagan
rec.motorcycles	bike articl forqfa iuzmatnmz andrew cmu edu jame leo belliveau jbc andrew cmu edu write motorcycl enthusiast motorcycl and put bluntli suck advic for second thought thi post green bruce clark environ mail bclark galaxi gov
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar that perfectli come scotland you
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl gregori humphrei gregh niagara dcrt nih gov wrote greg motorcycl haven even bought posit you you learn you never ridden class put group call motorcycl safeti foundat california similar washington call motorcycl dealer your area and ask good start ride motorcycl correctli
rec.motorcycles	traffic moron articl uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau wrote nmm nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen nmm subject act front traffic jerk nmm dai rain cat and dog therefor nmm speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw nmm drive meter for meter and red light nmm calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll nmm window and told total idiot and reason nmm thing imho you wrong thing you shot run your bike beat shit you that person foolish drive fool and act heck idiot driver illeg you can file citizen arrest and drag that person into court hassl for you major hassl for perp john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	insur and lotsa point articl apr adob cjackson adob write glad that you judgement shit hei pal you call litt toni toni kidson pgp kei request voic morgan tower cat had move mail order morgan road had top toni morgan demon bromlei machin tny cix compulink england honda dod compuserv
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli apr gmt xlyx vax cit cornel edu wheeli motorcycl shaft drive rear wheel come ground not front hop into air figur john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	traffic moron articl stafford stafford winona msu edu stafford vax winona msu edu john stafford write articl uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau wrote nmm nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen nmm subject act front traffic jerk nmm dai rain cat and dog therefor nmm speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw nmm drive meter for meter and red light nmm calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll nmm window and told total idiot and reason nmm thing imho you wrong thing you shot run your bike beat shit you that person foolish drive fool and act heck idiot driver illeg you can file citizen arrest and drag that person into court hassl for you major hassl for perp john stafford minnesota state univers winona you can make citizen arrest feloni standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	pari dakar bmw tour mike johnson mentorg mentor graphic boeckman softwar support corpor wilsonvil framework product divis
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli previou articl xlyx vax cit cornel edu mike terri ask wheeli motorcycl shaft drive mike impos due shaft effect centripit effect rotat shaft counteract tendenc for front wheel lift ground dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
rec.motorcycles	bike and wheeli previou articl jbc andrew cmu edu jame leo belliveau motorcycl enthusiast motorcycl and put bluntli suck advic good starter bike for thing make bike good bui second time question specif interest race bike cbr gsx that thi sound kind crazi that never had bike respons fast learner and love give advic that you search includ place even specif bike that you want sell answer obviou dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli xlyx vax cit cornel edu write wheeli motorcycl shaft drive not counterst for humor impar pphhhhhtttttt concour sophist ladi tom dietrich sportster sport for sale dod spike garag rat ama queu for fssnoc two joust and gather big fun kspt bell cool rule sometim mail txd mkt lewi disclaim take respons for opinion preced thi
rec.motorcycles	honda cbr for sale for sale honda cbr hurrican bought bike end last summer and love bill forc part bike mile and run strong nead tune and possibl break pad rubber good toss tankbag and kiwi helmet ask offer add hit newspap and micronew interest parti can call dai and even
rec.motorcycles	traffic moron uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau write nmm nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen nmm subject act front traffic jerk found that effect strategi flash brake light pump pedal you will bit free plai your brake pedal thi that even brain dead idiot can discern that flash red light directli front mean that wrong thing wrong your strategi boi cri wolf jorg klinger gsxr you arch eng servic lost horizon umanitoba man embalm anonym squidonk
rec.motorcycles	flame exhaust articl apr research nec chri behanna behanna syl nec write articl apr bnr dave dal farra gpz bnr write remind great editori bruce reev coupl month ago cycl canada piss cop pull speeder danger spot and blind corner that dai decid reveng cruis factori loaner zzr test bike notic cop had pull motorist ramp almost shoulder bright lad hit bike kill switch pass cop happen bend offend motorist expos glute pass world ignit system dead pump throtl two time fill exhaust canist volatil raw fuel stab kill switch light ignit and send flame sargeant swell direct cycl cop read cycl canada agre spirit action hope that rider poni take replac exhaust system destroi owner manual explicitli warn such behavior for exactli that reason you can destroi your mufler that chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog fat chanc offend rider moto journalist gui can sell hundr bike stroke pen and such murder come test bike worth earli expir mufler bone head butt bake dave true that monei talk mine spoke bui drink
rec.motorcycles	bui bike etc lot post wanna bui bike gsxr cbr fzr good bike learn etc put togeth faq bui bike ravi us post time bruce clark environ mail bclark galaxi gov
rec.motorcycles	stuff for sale respond item electr vest aerostitch suit and scarf spoken for gari gari wasserman complet irrat attract bmw bike interleaf inc prospect place hillsid av waltham grw ileaf fax dod
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl articl apr alw nih gov gregh niagara dcrt nih gov gregori humphrei write work that cover bike helmet that ignor bui number approxim and will doubt flame helmet cheap jacket us cheap glove noth special motorcycl safeti foundat ride that leav you and depend accuraci number bui us bike regist insur and run properli you cut close perhap your parent reason and you your learn ride safe you pick cost msf and safeti gear earli holidai present time long term invest and you spend your monei actual bike insur registr and mainten curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar articl qtvl dartvax dartmouth edu russel hugh dartmouth edu knicker twister write articl apr bnr npet bnr nick pettefar write regard pub brawl histori such thing biker doesn make reason person even dod object join had histori such thing not mention articl and present irrelev detail drink monei can exactli fault sit result law hand shoddi journal law attach string you spend settlement put monei trust don assum perfectli legitim drink wouldn spend that david karr karr cornel edu
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar david karr tue apr gmt wibbl articl qtvl dartvax dartmouth edu russel hugh dartmouth edu knicker twister write articl apr bnr npet bnr nick pettefar write regard pub brawl histori such thing biker doesn make reason person even dod object join had histori such thing not mention articl and present irrelev detail drink monei can exactli fault sit result law hand shoddi journal law attach string you spend settlement put monei trust don assum perfectli legitim drink wouldn spend that david karr karr cornel edu heard thi newspap articl journalist and editor pick interest and sensat fact for delect editor sun onc never fact good stori you notic motorcyclist treat press thrive hysteria ignor sensation and upmanship not salt take pinch nick cynic biker dod concis oxford leaki gearbox lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh not for bell toll toll for you time
rec.motorcycles	that oil tim intrepid gsfc nasa gov tim seiss write want mail post repli question oil consumpt you decid joe senner joe rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org texa splatterfest mail list fest rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	time worst time note thi not time time year funni thing happen bike engin run perfectli complet smooth not that run poorli dai except theori that air densiti and moistur content air such that complet combust needless put great mood mood last for mile head north freewai mile two south throttl stop respond and lane noth make lane shoulder initi glide push traffic heavi that car not mind stop for turn screw unscrew insid mikuni carb hear that screw tight bike never thought that had that screw insid carb roadsid fixabl and time death life tell you you fire gei paul blumstein paulb harlei tti dod abat ama hog doh laa marc arrl platypu qrp arpci naswa lwca rcma cala transact technolog inc santa monica
rec.motorcycles	type spesif vfr etc vidar olaf solberg vidaro dhhalden wrote can letter spesif motorcycl model mean exampl mean and honda cbr and suzuki glp honda design engin street bike for for twin street bike parallel twin inlin cylind engin us mean race bike us mean sport bike for steet scrambler street bike high pipe custom street bike dirt two stroke dual purpos bike dirt stroke can dual purpos bike suffix tour bike frank ball frankb sad work hewlett packard fax home vallei hous drive seca rohnert park wug law ama dod nra
rec.motorcycles	hell met articl apr freenet carleton freenet carleton lloyd carr write previou articl maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer don end replac real futur wear total nondamag face dot rate cheapi doesn fit wind wear shoei lot comfort wind quieter minor damag wear even drop paint chip helmet poorli fit had scratch bang repair confid protect helmet will continu give you depress actual crack magnifi glass you replac thi not good advic coupl year involv low speed getoff land back pavement head helmet hit pavement clunk leav coupl ding and chip paint point impact visibl damag call helmet manufactur and inquir damag that fiberglass shell work give delamin crack thi fiberglass serv spread forc impact wider area fiberglass thing crushabl foam liner take care absorb hopefulli remain impact forc told that second stage fiberglass function delamin glass resin layer can occur visibl sign insid helmet suggest that send helmet and inspect includ rai back helmet letter state that that find damag that compromis abil helmet provid maximum protect suspect that thi letter elimin claim prior damag helmet event sue bottom line that appear that helmet integr can compromis visibl sign for send back and inspect note that helmet manufactur provid inspect servic and not anoth point purchas lid ken franklin heaven for peopl wait ama and ain gwrra laugh sinner cry saint dod sinner lot fun good die young
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl apr megatek randi megatek randi davi write articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write articl jnmoyn moustic lbl gov jnmoyn lbl gov jean noel moyn write dwi stand for thought dui for drive influenc stand for drive intox beleiv dwi mean drive impair intox state live thi chang louisiana girl court and won case claim stone pot not intox liquor can impari necessarili impair liquor drug not sleep total moron can impair etc surpris thi hook perhap dwi lousiana confin liquor let dui dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	header paint mile trailer rain rust bike header metal underneath solid sand rust coat and repaint pipe black recommend for paint and applic paint axel
rec.motorcycles	rgv and pose articl dsd bgardner pebbl blain gardner write articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write articl spam math adelaid edu amydlak spam math adelaid edu adam mydlak write squid delet helment law vari state state state louisiana law personali not feet bike law law helment will save your life feet draw line your and rais you doug rinck drinck tssc wlg nec zealand tssc bmw bmw indian
rec.motorcycles	type spesif vfr etc can letter spesif motorcycl model mean exampl mean and honda cbr and suzuki glp wanna distribut thi club magazin want list type harlei advanc vidar vidar solberg norwai rock hard ride free proud and true metallibash
rec.motorcycles	honda for sale want peopl that thi motorcycl sold for your inquiri dave schultz
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack year ago drive cage dog dart quiet intersect front distanc didn slow dog suddenli appear and collid front bumper and forc impact kill that scottish terrier appar dog henceforth dog decid cross street ey for dog dog travel pair pack experi dog chase black pretti loud oem horn not good fiamm good enuff bike larg and heavi run smaller nipper larger troubl get leg saddlebag and engin guard def feel vulner trump that easier leg chew target for mongrel persist dog run biker despit complaint owner wouldn advers run truck dog life isn worth imho compar child ride bike get knock ground dog and di head injuri dog neighborhood that viciou public menac run unleash fair game road kill candid graem harrison gharriso hpcc corp dod
rec.motorcycles	bike short friend shop for motorcycl thi great seat thi not great thing found and unhappi time tap collect memori denizen model model and us bike not problem lower seat and sinc make thi difficult prefer not end cruiser bonu point for list tini standard rememb thread point similar thi pass month ago that list gregori bean dod bean ncar ucar edu fact that big reverb sound
rec.motorcycles	flame exhaust articl quw btq cso uiuc edu mikeh cso uiuc edu mike hollyman custom that replac cylind head gasket put back togeth wouldn idl run cylind and backfir and spit flame exhaust side exhaust mac bought plug todai and run rough and won idl quit fine tune knob carb mess check time fine advanc and that didn assum carb synch can bui kit and thi kit for price suggest dont carb that suspect that cam time you that you had head that make sens ian emu worth ian deelei you will school engin insignific univers sussex ooo import that you england anon
rec.motorcycles	extraordinari footpeg engin previou articl exb csdvax csd unsw edu dod er goddamn mysteri for todai turn degre corner dai slight differ rough spot path caus suspens compress mid corner and part bike hit ground tangibl thunk pull opportun su damag delet barri manor dod confus accident peg scraper check bottom your pipe barri suspect that hit year past thought peg found bottom pipe made contact show good size dent scratch you feel suddent chang your foot peg had bump for piec miss contribut that vibrat loss yep thing happen honda twinstar mike maser dod squid rate pinetre sidnei can hopalonga twinfart yuka yuka excess list tridump mucho guzler burlei home thumpison bimotamoeba work mmaser siriu uvic joke month gai univers victoria indian chief new rec motorcycl answer can bum coupl buck
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write articl jnmoyn moustic lbl gov jnmoyn lbl gov jean noel moyn write dwi stand for thought dui for drive influenc stand for drive intox beleiv dwi mean drive impair intox state live thi chang louisiana girl court and won case claim stone pot not intox liquor can impari necessarili impair liquor drug not sleep total moron can impair etc surpris thi hook perhap dwi lousiana confin liquor randi davi email randi megatek pilot uunet ucsd megatek randi dod thi eleven nigel tufnel spinal tap
rec.motorcycles	for movi bike folk assembl info for film critic class final project essenti movi that us moto substanti capac fallen angl marlboro man rais arizona etc you fellow er give preciat btw summari bike plot help not erc eric sundheim csundh ursa calvin edu grandrapid usa hondo vfr dod
rec.motorcycles	traffic moron nmm nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen nmm subject act front traffic jerk nmm dai rain cat and dog therefor nmm speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw nmm drive meter for meter and red light nmm calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll nmm window and told total idiot and reason nmm thing nmm nmm niel mikkel sound great real bdi cager tailgat found that effect strategi flash brake light pump pedal you will bit free plai your brake pedal thi that even brain dead idiot can discern that flash red light directli front mean that wrong two problem your strategi that red light chang you can meaning your mouth occup except your opinion and demonstr such physic you your park bike admittedli slim chanc give paus slmr sometim you windshield sometim bug comput dynam bb hst vancouv canada easi access low rate friendli sysop
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl motorcycl flame don bike piec inform work that cover bike helmet that ignor bui bui bike insur turn month parent take care insur till and comprehens list cost that bui motorcycl insur live washington that make differ recommend bui for imagin state not state not bitter you written test and learner permit wonder learn ride bike profici liscenc and not kill oneself don bike teach and advic heard you live field you friend pickup truck answer ride neighborhood and hope for kind live residenti area not suburb big citi and mile downtown that doesn viabl stori you learn for repli advanc greg humphrei meant that damn autoind greg humphrei thi thursdai never nation institut health hang thursdai gregh alw nih gov arthur dent
rec.motorcycles	happi easter articl vtserf edu ranck joesbar edu ranck write hei wasn pick morgan us technolog that noth wrong technolog peopl us shovel dig hole you can dig hole stock shovel you perform mod stroke and cam real bad rear tire dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire concour mmmmmmmmmm beat you dave ring ding woop you never learn ama dod cog chicago beth bruiser dixon
rec.motorcycles	happi easter articl apr isc jeq lachman jonathan quist write articl tekgen tek davet interceptor cd tek dave tharp cd write articl apr isc jeq lachman jonathan quist write roll royc own british firm god that end civil not ford own aston martin and jaguar gener motor own lotu and vauxhal rover own honda minor blasphemi that compani like jaguar sob lotu outright sacrileg for british ownership fundament thing legal claus name own british compani owner can sell compani not name kevinh hasler ascom
rec.motorcycles	dod book read thi anita number titl softwar measur for dod system recommend for initi core measur anita carleton subject softwar engin comput program manag author carleton anita author carnegi mellon univers softwar engin institut publ pittsburgh carnegi mellon univers softwar engin institut toni opinion noth and not even want antonio salerno heart liver spleen pancrea antonio salerno att miracul organ work total dark david letterman
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl detail tip articl apr hemlock crai ant palm crai toni jone write note user plexi fair light hit becom giant magnif glass and will melt hole your guag pod dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorc apart complex us live thi put thing driver window couldn miss friend damn wreck home night vision block sticker suggest manag enorm liabil assum pull that stunt claim driver fault for illeg park place that good for laugh two court found liabl for that driver drive vehicl visual impair isn that not scrape ic and snow your windshield and such that anoth thing that bug don peopl scrape damn window peopl drive car bare driver half windshield clear noth clear thi pretti stupid and isn vari state state that percentag glass clear brad thone system consult system servic enterpris loui wuvmd wustl edu wuvmd bitnet
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar articl apr reed edu mblock reed edu matt block write assum david didn that can leg orlean compani make motorcycl for wheelchair bound peopl rig consist flat bed sidecar rig that wheelchair can clamp car set hand control mount convent handlebar wierd hell thi legless gui drive rig car girlfriend sit bike passeng dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl mj zen sy uea mj sy uea mike sixsmith write formal train view absolut essenti you ride bike properli and safe includ counterst theori newbi cours confus peopl unnecessarili time import matter for learn and that origin point mike agre you that formal train essenti for safe ride disagre strongli your origin point point formal train prepar rider for road prepared opinion exclud aspect ride bike wrong imho counterst counterst that train common reaction biker bicycl rider emerg situat steer motorcycl bicycl thi make motorcycl direct opposit intend needless thi danger specif exampl rider left turn rider think close shoulder road and steer motorcycl left pull left handl and push handl motorcycl straighten and road wors scenario rider turn middl turn rider see truck come panick rider steer motorcycl truck and crash into main function ride teach avoid emerg situat and knowledg and train counterst imho ride staal idt unit
rec.motorcycles	bike short rec motorcycl bean cgd ucar edu gregori bean write friend shop for motorcycl thi great seat thi not great thing found and unhappi had and thought bike ridden and mind you ridden bike rememb thread point similar thi pass month ago that list you mistaken thread thi group had point short bike style bike and monei and ride hawk eas cruiser low slung ysr real short rich sturg nswc carderock divis speak for and listen
rec.motorcycles	insur and lotsa point cjackson curti jackson cjackson adob write cjackson glad that you judgement shit cjackson ridden driven tire sleepi hungov angri distract cjackson last year you had you guilti not judgment shit don drive ride impair stop that sort thing good friend mine kill drunk driver fail stop for red and drove side volvo caddi suspect respons adult net don bother post flame war rec moto cjackson justif for take individu freedom cjackson guis public safeti thoma jefferson own slave forc concubin and had resourc want fear repris smoke dope jet netcom eric townsend dod hafta kill you thi fun account work email jet na nasa gov you put ducki you wanna plai saxophon skate unix die boyo
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli wheeli motorcycl shaft drive mike terri virago
rec.motorcycles	type spesif vfr etc articl srgenprp frankb sad frank ball write honda design engin street bike for for twin honda hawk twin not call curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
rec.motorcycles	moa stuff year moa member folk moa guess call cover base idea happen get juicei new happen insid moa nihil isn for not that matter craig vechorik bmw moa ambassador and final buck into real bmw two wheel polit correct statement dod
rec.motorcycles	electricti sigha figur put halogen beam easi wai thi slip bulb replac told gui bike shop that not damn bright incandesc beam caus perma low batteri and pick thi cheapo motorcycl batteri and charg system tester hook batteri light good charg start engin test charg system and doesn even regist suppos light light stai point batteri question charg system plain mess heck batteri stai fulli charg darn dead support light etc problem charg system gener slower charg normal for bigger bike easi fix for thi happi nois put mile bike thi weekend final myass endors good cage quit run worth damn and won monei repair and weatherman bright and sunni week chanc rain fridai big grin bug teeth
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each morn get coffe thought wave biker make sens hei nice meet you road good ride you watch for bike wave mean your attent road and you like cage you habit watch carefulli for bike you cage thi good thing
rec.motorcycles	happi easter kevinh tue apr gmt wibbl articl apr isc jeq lachman jonathan quist write articl tekgen tek davet interceptor cd tek dave tharp cd write articl apr isc jeq lachman jonathan quist write roll royc own british firm god that end civil not ford own aston martin and jaguar gener motor own lotu and vauxhal rover own honda minor blasphemi that compani like jaguar sob lotu outright sacrileg for british ownership fundament thing legal claus name own british compani owner can sell compani not name kevinh hasler ascom don that seper compani aero engin compani that govern stake own stake jaguar decid make quick buck and sold ford bastard thi ultim arthur dalei govern nick cynic biker dod concis oxford leaki gearbox lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	time worst time apr ttinew tti paulb harlei tti paul blumstein write note thi not time turn screw unscrew insid mikuni carb hear that screw tight bike never thought that had that screw insid carb roadsid fixabl and time you check screw that carb you suck into jug and mung piston valv happen matthew
rec.motorcycles	cobra lock post alt locksmith method for secur motorcycl respons refer cobra lock describ below come across store carri thi lock chicago area feedback us thi for info steve articl innraj shellei washington edu basiji stein washington edu david basiji write incident lock found for bike cobra lock cabl shroud articul harden steel sleev lock cylindr and lock pawl engag joint articul point chain can adjust handcuff you can leverag lock break open and cylind protect wouldn want cut torch and vice and heavi duti cut wheel steve buni sun microsystem dod itasca ama
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff wonder law offic that read thi question pertain motorcycl and cop and don vehicl code your local station obviou thing that question not found place answer face face real live flesh cop your brother had friend had cousin who father cop etc don bother write
rec.motorcycles	for movi bike articl csundh ursa csundh ursa calvin edu charl sundheim write folk assembl info for film critic class final project essenti movi that us moto substanti capac fallen angl marlboro man rais arizona etc you fellow er give preciat btw summari bike plot help not easi rider harlei drug redneck orlean mad max violenc dod wanna time rider honda thumper time travel sundai documentari dirtbik racer great great escap steve mcqueen nazi rebel jame dean futur dod er last two movi haven year dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff articl apr iscnvx lmsc lockhe jrlaf sgi msd lmsc lockhe laferrier write wonder law offic that read thi question pertain motorcycl and cop and don vehicl code your local station obviou thing that question not found place answer face face real live flesh cop your brother had friend had cousin who father cop etc don bother write gotta question you want activ cop work your dod qualfic dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	rout suggest articl qmm dinnnlg cronkit central sun doc webrid central sun steve buni chicago write thi point rout present undetermin into pennsylvania york and back chicago suggest you make into york state palisad interst parkwai pleasant ride beauti sceneri good road surfac minim traffic you want sidetrip lake drive parkwai for reason road sweep and hill sweep turn forest canopi mitch corrado bell commun research dec mdc panther tnd bellcor wreck mad vax code warrior
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl articl apr alw nih gov gregh niagara dcrt nih gov gregori humphrei write motorcycl flame don bike piec inform stori you learn you stori exampl not earli ride lesson colleg roommat honda had msf beginn learn need ride proceed bui beat honda for and helmet and rode wear thi and cotton windbreak decid invest full face helmet smart move pass road test caught rainstorm home mile trip enter town live urban suburb had stop suddenli for red light that notic late skid rear tire and eject face upward into oncom lane traffic fortun for oncom traffic stop for red light slid car and kill thi anecdot evid experienc rider msf and that earlier train help greatli your case even greater sinc you you practic even basic stuff advic msf beginn thing wouldn even bui bike you you happen pick real good deal and can store someplac you readi us work that cover bike helmet that ignor bui you wait week recal wait list boston you save monei start for ride gear cost bike guess mechan make machin safe assum you econom bui beat machin privat individu insur registr and licens fee you not includ bike and reserv for ongo mainten bui bike insur turn month parent take care insur till and comprehens list cost that bui motorcycl insur live washington that make differ pai insur upstat closer boston urban for decent insur includ substanti coverag for liabil you want you plan poor guess boston rural area ergo expens recommend bui for us annual buyer guid usual motorcycl magazin found help get idea recent model you past issu size us bike bike year bought friend advic bike that you peopl ride that park street basic settl present bike notic that lot high mileag bmw run and gener set want noth wrong talk dealer your area visit showroom dealer boston area shop nice let you showroom and quot price for bike that weren latest model cheaper end bui bike privat sale david karr karr cornel edu bmw dod bmwmoa nra aclu
rec.motorcycles	bike short articl apr ncar ucar edu bean cgd ucar edu gregori bean write friend shop for motorcycl thi great seat thi not great thing found and unhappi for happier suzuki us design for exampl boss had had seat coupl inch lower regular cruiser david karr karr cornel edu bmw dod bmwmoa nra aclu
rec.motorcycles	bike for sale usa articl apr zorro tyngsboro zorro tyngsboro jeff derienzo write recent becom father twin don can afford bike and babi babi stai harlei xlhd hei wife bike that pretti uncal for smile harlei manhood feel challeng jeff derienzo thi wanna sit and bui you drink somedai templ dog sea bass sear sc cunixb columbia edu dod stanlei yamaha bmw toyota runner nyc
rec.motorcycles	msf program mail archiv locat msf program for ibm thi wanna sit and bui you drink somedai templ dog sea bass sear sc cunixb columbia edu dod stanlei yamaha bmw toyota runner nyc
rec.motorcycles	stori lynn pacesett lynn hall write allow god open contain street sign bar yeah cop hand for coupl thousand biker block main street not cite street fill empti can feet deep gutter crowd raisin hell titti show can you parti and stereotyp erc whacha mean ifin want stereotyp that like drink beer and watch love ladi displai beauti bodi that stereotyp you refer stereotyp infer neg you notic didn rape pillag burn town left mucho buck monei town think town like lynn hall no bro
rec.motorcycles	traffic moron articl shd athena uga edu ahatch athena uga edu allan hatcher wrote you can make citizen arrest feloni not that true rephras you can file complaint will bring person into court understand citizen arrest not physic detent person john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi articl murdoch acc virginia edu cdw dayhoff med virginia edu danc feder ranger articl rider joe rider cactu org write cdw dayhoff med virginia edu danc feder ranger write bui bmw cast vote for groucho thought you gonna bui bmw for superior power and handl tad price rang obmotowash cut finger evil cotterpin lurk dark recess back end bike give prize moto bath slice pinki hand time thi time ride safe send your moa rag cliff weston dod seca thought cool bike powder coat black undercoat neon splatter brian simmon you beemer jeff campbel wx frog sarvax cmhnet org
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl dpa new ysu edu yfn ysu edu john daker wrote previou articl xlyx vax cit cornel edu mike terri ask wheeli motorcycl shaft drive mike impos due shaft effect centripit effect rotat shaft counteract tendenc for front wheel lift ground thi true evinc popular shaft drive drag bike john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	cobra lock articl rinnal cronkit central sun doc webrid central sun write post alt locksmith method for secur motorcycl respons refer cobra lock describ below come across store carri thi lock chicago area dealership turn back order manufactur directli each made order you nonstandard length standard feedback us thi below articl innraj shellei washington edu basiji stein washington edu david basiji write incident lock found for bike cobra lock cabl shroud articul harden steel sleev lock cylindr and lock pawl engag joint articul point chain can adjust handcuff you can leverag lock break open and cylind protect wouldn want cut torch and vice and heavi duti cut wheel long cobralink lock that us us for harlei doesn anymor don us lock that anymor made articul steel shell cover strand steel cabl stop joyrid profession can open easili freez link break frozen link your favorit method hammer work snip steel cabl author frightfulli thin set boltcutt for monei you can kryptonit cabl lock anywher thick steel cabl steel rope shield flexibl cover protect your bike finish and barrel type lock mechan don adjust sourc difficult pick lock and cabl squish flat bolt cutter jaw shear model bet thief die grinder cutoff wheel even durabl lock test yield thi tool minut fyi get krypto cabl paycheck chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	point for helmet law point for articl prcr prc terri prcr prc terri cunningham write law book propos that ban motorcycl place that want privat place ban bike for exampl famou mile drive monterrei peninsula and stai resort that sport motorcycl allow sign entranc and public place call ama and for jim bensberg legisl offic will recound public place that had bring court revers ban bike that includ public park full citi fight book speak that anoth good reason donat legisl fund death life tell you you fire gei paul blumstein paulb harlei tti dod abat ama hog doh laa marc arrl platypu qrp arpci naswa lwca rcma cala transact technolog inc santa monica
rec.motorcycles	cobra lock you find thi repost origin sender bottom cut articl rec motorcycl path scrumpi bnrgate corpgat new utdalla edu herm chpc utexa edu ut exa edu swrind mip pacbel iggi vitalink widen eff ibmpc cug pipex unipalm uknet cybaswan eeharvei eeharvei cybaswan harvei newsgroup rec motorcycl subject lock bike messag cybaswan date jul gmt refer jul usenet in cwru edu line figur perform bike lock test permiss price for comparison cabl lock sort armour chain lock padlock and chain each lock test for maximum ten minut sec for each test bottl jack cut disc bolt cropper ga ga flame tabl split into immoblis for and lock someth for short make comparison type weight ga total price sec sec sec sec sec pound arm fold cyclelok bar abu steel cabl flex oxford cabl revolv abu disku chain arm fold cyclelok bar abu extra lock cobra cabl abu close chain shackl kryptonit lock oxford lock magnum disclock disc lock abu lock mini block disc lock pretti depress read good lock and common sens and you park your bike answer spent spare time last two week landscap trash garden and two friend bike hous accommod bike rel secur never underestim room bike requir manouv wall area sinc weekend two bike and didn us abu close shackl lock hassl visit parent minimum wait week don decid investig for insur compani make offer and for real haggl begin abu german compani and not repres common distributor articl michael brandon oliv crescent hawick roxburgh tel distributor for lock can requir don lose ian ian harvei univers colleg swansea rock roll eeharvei swan pyr young die
rec.motorcycles	counterst san hand steer hand aren bar open budweis left hand camel cigarett feet allow lean and bike turn counterst counterst benchrac taller seat your feet aren floor rick
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl apr vax cit cornel edu xlyx vax cit cornel edu write wheeli motorcycl shaft drive mike terri that told nasa rent cop that stop swore lift didn complet bui part water carb phil stone address pstone motorcycl
rec.motorcycles	rout suggest articl apr portho bellcor mdc pyux bellcor corrado mitchel write articl qmm dinnnlg cronkit central sun doc webrid central sun steve buni chicago write thi point rout present undetermin into pennsylvania york and back chicago suggest you make into york state palisad interst parkwai pleasant ride beauti sceneri good road surfac minim traffic you sinc you hit pip pavement exit for dai beat thi winter don rememb thi bad break apart and pothol storm drain that your lane oppos side road talk annoi cost save measur for traffic don weekdai outbound rush hour happen inbound bdc mitch corrado dec mdc panther tnd bellcor thi wanna sit and bui you drink somedai templ dog sea bass sear sc cunixb columbia edu dod stanlei yamaha bmw toyota runner nyc
rec.motorcycles	hell met articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write talk coupl peopl helmet drop get don sweat you replac and don ride helmet helmet damag structur drop feet cement seat chip paint didn screw actual shell bet price helmet that feet higher not don end replac real futur wear total nondamag face dot rate cheapi doesn fit wind wear shoei lot comfort wind quieter minor damag wear full facer worri wind blast face and inabl hear polic siren helmet damag you reccomend good helmet slightli disappoint badli shoei scratch etc not bloodi care and impact chip paint and arguabl mess period good full face good vent wind protect shoei style kinda norton awhil back suspect expens helmet want not replac time not care set helmet will subject fit agv sukhoi that current shoei task and get and crash onc coupl year ago hard impact head hip care that price consider kiwi hear good and cheap christ don treat head carefulli treat shoei toss and don bruis mildli mildli paranoid helmet don carri peopl net you mention that not consist live planet regard charl dod span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl apr cornel edu karr cornel edu david karr write articl mj zen sy uea mj sy uea mike sixsmith write that you don even peopl techniqu counterst co will intuit time round corner will and will steer tuchus don teach counterst beginn help tuchu steerer guess that steer bicycl that and hang counterst normal ride counterst swerv problem start normal ride decid that turn speed ramp and lot difficult that knew work that for debat knew that work swerv figur normal ride data point that not bad idea bring idea tuchu steer for lesson two can learn shift gear worri proper handlebar techniqu counterst fact experienc rider instructor claim that rider and make bike turn whichev side want shift weight even oper turn opposit direct admit never thi beginn had passeng train lesson instructor hop back bike and student for ride student not give instructor you sack potato passeng speech instructor steer bike and make gener nuisanc amus watch happi that didn happen bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	question helmet articl qmnp inn mojo eng umd edu oconnor eng umd edu mark connor write side fenc own bieff road helmet minor fall and had visibl damag shell helmet job damag impact ratio scari bell moto impact order twice bieff impact thi frequent and don even scratch two season recommend bui high qualiti gear ymmv your helmet nogin hit immoveab object thing dissip energi immov object helmet shell helmet liner rider head rider ego assum that helmet head assembl take impact shell crack case liner dent head get jiggl liner that dent helmet toast shell crack won absorb energi form impact that area head that get jiggl gear isn high qualiti bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write articl jnmoyn moustic lbl gov jnmoyn lbl gov jean noel moyn write hold second and clarifi for dwi stand for thought dui for drive influenc stand for drive intox thi chang louisiana girl court and won case claim stone pot not intox liquor drive impair that cover bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	want advic for cylist articl srgenprp blaisec blais cirelli write think bui motorcycl whenev peopl thi answer you want that brother sister cousin had motorcycl and brain dead result accid question danger ride exactli danger you hard and protect keep troubl mean know your limit keep your machin good shape and predict and make for stupid move that driver make deal fun stai aliv take consciou effort bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	insur and lotsa point articl apr bcar bnr keithh bnr keith hanlan write articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write cked for insur had dwi and for beemer rec vehicl cost almost buck insur year sell bike and car and start take bu that you can drink your prioriti lai expect that thi list lost friend drive drunk that collect sympathi will somewhat mute gui doubt approv drunk drive caught and convict and punish you lighten mean isn haven had and ridden driven home didn caught and can speak for and will never happen that besid point answer origin poster insur vehicl cheapest and can you and work and suffer for year til your rate drop and don drink and drive had friend kill drunk and rear end total bike bent frame and fail kill had ey mirror wait stoplight regard charl dod span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.motorcycles	dog articl pntm cbnewsj att car cbnewsj att charl roger write thi tactic depend for effect dog conform psycholog norm that not appli dog success won work charli manson dog that stupid larg irish setter taught thi yard appar territori dai plai game game kill angri neighbor can dispens terribl punish dog weigh max you can handl you presum thumb grappl and tear head sheesh even train attack dog match for human advantag regard charl dod span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl stafford stafford winona msu edu stafford vax winona msu edu john stafford write apr gmt xlyx vax cit cornel edu wheeli motorcycl shaft drive rear wheel come ground not front hop into air figur john stafford you can wheeli shaft drive bike had bmw that wheeli monster didn initi power burst twist into air had pop clutch had replac front fork seal time fair bit heavi slam stantion tube time give you fair warn trash ring pinion gear final drive assum wheeli and thi cheap fix kind slip devic shaft prevent break didn save gear topic wheeli dai kid big hurrican stoppi rear wheeli man had rear end thi bike feet ground traffic light don recommend activ anymor that gui kid look damn impress you can tire ground point that direct cheer
rec.motorcycles	insur and lotsa point articl apr iscnvx lmsc lockhe jrlaf sgi msd lmsc lockhe laferrier write keith calm you prohibitionist prick point andrew infant post obviou solicit suggest pertain cost insur and don care you madd sadd that simpli put drink irrelav drive drunk indefens and unforgiv larg differnec attitud expect you dead hope you don human you dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire concour mmmmmmmmmm beat you dave ring ding woop you never learn ama dod cog chicago beth bruiser dixon
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl articl apr adob cjackson adob curti jackson write articl apr alw nih gov gregh niagara dcrt nih gov gregori humphrei write work that cover bike helmet that ignor bui number approxim and will doubt flame helmet cheap jacket us cheap glove noth special motorcycl safeti foundat ride wow cours georgia cheaper for list good add heavi boot work hike combat similar peac alan alanf eng tridom kotbbbb gsxr ama dod pgp kei
rec.motorcycles	strang experi nice yesterdai burgh rode bike gynecologist appoint exam notic helmet sit chair excit and pick and start ask sort question bike and dealer area and msf appar rode friend for year ago and recent bug ride caught needless had never talk bike such posit mean chri hogan andrew cmu edu soft massacr sun even sabr slain emili dickinson
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write morn get coffe thought wave biker make sens hei nice meet you road good ride you watch for bike wave mean your attent road and you like cage you habit watch carefulli for bike you cage thi good thing side that cage numer occas slam hand into roll window effort wave pass biker beav mike beavington bellnorthernresearch ottawa ont canada dod seca seca seca suzuki seca turbo sabr gt can afford mbeav bnr park space don steenkin park space
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rec.motorcycles	want advic for cylist articl srgenprp blaisec blais cirelli write question danger ride tough question danger drive car and danger you don appli modicum intellig activ basic stupid will you hurt kill lot faster motorcycl car care not unreason danger bui good protect cloth help that wrong you like sever injur thing msf driver train thi will you start foot teach control vehicl and safe ride practic second bui protect gear minimum good helmet and pair leather glove good sturdi piec footgear help leather hike boot pair armi boot similar work fine for thi purpos long you make lace stai ti leather jacket and leather pant chap nice expens item for pant peopl good pair jean reason prefer recent and fairli heavi weight similarli for jacket good jean jacket reason compromis peopl tend leather jacket pant anoth thing drop garag sale for second hand leather jacket for fairli thick leather item don stupid don ride drink even drink can notic affect you judgement and balanc don ride snow condit such that black ic like care ride rain slow corner gingerli brake earli and gentli not ride you sick tire take medic drowsi warn not averag shape care you question bike you recommend for time rider don want race want ride cross countri want ride dirt trail drive back road occasion ride citi street and freewai maximum can spend us bike suggest mid late japanes mid size standard rang reason you shorter lighter averag you want low bike model suzuki seri etc gener inlin bike gener depend for tendenc weak charg system stator and regul rectifi problem bike server honda nighthawk seri thi seri honda etc thi anoth seri standard motorcycl fairli depend kawasaki and yamaha similar bike don for mid late model you bui bike for leav you monei for protect cloth and insur and licens cost hope thi help david dagibb qnx
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion articl dsc rwert bob wert write advic ride pillion ninja thi will time for extend ride read farther block ride twisti fairli bumpi road mine road hamilton loop for you bai arean thi bad idea you start mellow that you your head that road requir full concentr not sort thing you want passeng for time onc you decid that you ride togeth and want longer and challeng for hard core road mine hamilton case your moral respons make that proper gear that fit you sport ride eric
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write curti jackson pen msf shyah cost izzat deal free philadelphia dod give arm ambidextr
rec.motorcycles	squid riceburn respect articl apr locu dana lando locu dana myer write articl qqxp cbmvax cbm commodor hartzler cbmvax cbm commodor jerri hartzler cat write articl apr icomsim mman icomsim michael man write duck squid don wave return wave even each excus for ignoramu squid and you chri behanna squid hei dana long time read afraid squid rate slightli sinc get ninja hard restrain bodywork damn expens knock knock quiet chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write thi chang louisiana girl court and won case claim stone pot not intox liquor geez happen ticket for drive slow dod technician speed not student you you not edu breath dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire concour mmmmmmmmmm beat you dave ring ding woop you never learn ama dod cog chicago beth bruiser dixon
rec.motorcycles	ride sixteen dai had put test drive honda final saturdai rain fact clear warm and sunni and wind di week ago long cool ride hawk cycl for test ride had sold and deliv demo fifteen hour arriv and demo vfr bike lock showroom surround bike and not like move todai even bike us dirt bike us street bike car and big tent full outlandishli fat tour bike trailer squeez park lot sort fat bike convent shelli and dave run msf each time classroom and back lot usual free cookout food that cycl weekend summer hmmm big moto parti ten minut for rob cheif sale slime and anoth minut read and sign long disclosur libil prai god form help push into mess park lot control put tank bag hawk into saddlebag and wife put into left saddlebag that nice help push lot thought move edg road bike and peopl rode bicycl that heavi thought wrong sat feet big put foot heavi mind quickli cindi back back hard seat time larg hawk seat bike control idl side road rpm second gear weight dissappear even bike mile odomet slipperi tire and pad that not bite disk thing smooth and cycl section that folk ride mile north comput concentr mile north split lighli travel two lane limit access highwai heavili forest section hamilton manchest sea and newburi gloucest meet road that wind sea mile inland andov england spot perfect slow sport tour section cindi difficulti speed gear gear pur top gear thi thing low rpm grunt that hawk lane experi big heft requir move thi thing respond wallow complaint fair fairli quiet helmet buffet trivial top gear car pass mph effortless smooth smooth smooth not sound remind pleasant bar not transmit endless buzz jump caus impress brake hill revers camber twice revers radiu decreas radiu turn real squeez need front binder section tight urban work thi section show weight clam shack oft featur spencer for hire place you find spencer hous mile put traffic for turn and back half onramp yank cindi wrist singal for hold tight head check left time find redlin second gear good shove fourth see dod speed short shift into top cop and light traffic not cross into dod zone bike had mile high effort lane wide sweep turn time wick buffet threat pull seat and stai comfort wind and steer look find mph not bad for tour beverli come fast twice post limit mile sign roll throttl and coast want adjust come slow good idea manhol size patch sand exit ramp back slow and heavi behavior cycl mile even car stack manag thread car edg concret pad front heavi effort for cindi and put thing center stand that us side stand side minut demo opinion heavi put diet smooth comfort notic dod speed bui for list for bike frank evan perdicaro xyvis color system legal gun drug and cash todai edgewat drive inhous frank marvin wakefield outhous frank contex
rec.motorcycles	batteri charger notic that halogen tabl lamp run volt big thinngi that plug into wall volt question can trickl charg batteri don rate batteri factori intal sanjai dod give arm ambidextr
rec.motorcycles	question articl ldinn frigat ci ohio state edu field ci ohio state edu jonathan david field write thi stupid question motorcycl scene don dod thi setup lookit site arni skurow chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion articl dsc rwert bob wert write advic ride pillion ninja thi will time for extend ride read farther block ride twisti fairli bumpi road mine road hamilton loop for you bai arean you sonuvabitch rub don you great weather and great road unlik rest you putz nyah nyah nyah for sever humor impair thi person lb and fairli small don weight problem sort advic give want hold grab rail back and heard that shoulder direct turn lean tradit signal for slow faster hafta pee etc you like not notic weight piec advic for you don abrupt throttl wheeli acceler wee bit slowli usual conscious worri spit back your job pillion and guarante put bike rip you whack open lean angl pretti tame time you and learn each bodi english learn your idea turn and you learn idea shit don crash you don work cross purpos lean you can work aggress ride time import thing put hand tank you brake thi save you sever crush cooki fun chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	owner tankbag suggest want articl apr ncsu edu martenm chess ncsu edu mark marten write for tank bag and wonder you follow owner make suggest and not work for you file thi apolog for ask and will gladli accept flame that blown larg flat ga tank imagin that almost work person quit happi eclips standard tank bag blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	opinion want size dirtbik you ride and for long you slip into bike tell peopl bui older cheaper bike and ride that for you interceptor exampl nathaniel dod ama
rec.motorcycles	maxima chain wax tom dietrich txd esd wrote parr ac ucalgari charl parr write bought miracl spoog chain lube wheel clean good glad hear studi life complet shaft drive weeni comeback discuss shaft effect even don weeni rip pithi afraid work bike stuff delet damn shaft effect concour ppppppphhhhhttttttt heh heh that pretti funni you call shaft effect nathaniel damn shaft effect dod ama flame bait
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli apr gmt xlyx vax cit cornel edu mike wheeli motorcycl shaft drive fact you can wheeli shaft drive motorcycl even move don counterst jerri lotto lotto lhasa harvard edu msfci hogssc bcso ama dod chemistri dept harvard univ harlei and ride want
rec.motorcycles	invert fork need rec motorcycl matthew mark mueller andrew cmu edu write left side invert fork for gsx can track practic nelson ledg weekend hei part store occur you visit your dealer and fork buck for chanc happen part lai work condit sheesh edu side invert gsx fork convert into floor lamp jeff deenei dod nctr shamu jld hpfcla ama cohvco llamaha bad that famili torn apart simpl wild dog jack handei
rec.motorcycles	bike honda ascot folk bui bike and honda ascot mile thi sound reason choic special nathan
rec.motorcycles	polic ossif read thi stuff laferrier write wonder law offic that read thi question pertain motorcycl and cop happen charli lear us connect didn hei thi cyberspac mister you wanna statesid cop gotta john gaijin japan sun sun microsystem atsugi japan
rec.motorcycles	bui advic need articl afoi janvopv cmu edu dale jame cmu edu write great bike you damn care motorcycl deleta bike light for size pound heavi for beginn bike heavi for beginn bike pound isn adman dream full tank area lb depend year etc you you problem physic manag seat roughli akin plastic coat firm pain depend time saddl and version had seat imo bike suffer infam suzuki regul problem avoid fork roughli for suzuki part kludg honda regul rectifi unit junkyard charg system consist overcharg batteri refil weekli thi not bad batteri access gain remov seat tank and airbox regul last mile and didn overcharg batteri wire connector charg path toasti tend melt insul suspect underspecifi didn that remov cool air batteri access earlier bike doesn requir tank remov you learn drill pretti straightforward replac part suzuki part outrag expens bought replac part for brand motorcycl offer grain salt dale assess good luck and care dale sentiment can argu won dean deed deed vulcan edsg hac
rec.motorcycles	newbi articl swox gwi mailer fsu edu fsu edu write hei yea that newbi never own motorcycl thi make spring matt not purpos thi articl read for dai curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion articl dsc rwert bob wert write thi person lb and fairli small don weight problem sort advic give want hold grab rail back and heard that shoulder direct turn lean tradit signal for slow faster hafta pee etc never like passeng and shift weight turn find weight shift can sudden and unnerv thing get comfort decid your shoulder don recommend shift weight each turn violent thi make your passeng wear good gear sometim choos ride helmet lack safeti gear depend squidli feel won passeng can handl wouldn want hurt don glove jacket jean heavi boot and helmet that fit want thi posit experi for that want will appreci real easi amaz solid grip you handl bar that your passeng not don make feel slide back and snappi turn for you sicken lurch for gener feel control and smooth passeng can stand back brother bike and ride aggress ride and good pilot feel unsteadi you passeng bob show not show time thi wanna sit and bui you drink somedai templ dog sea bass sear sc cunixb columbia edu dod stanlei yamaha bmw toyota runner nyc
rec.motorcycles	dod confession can ration everytim happen uncontrol hate pre motorcycl thought phase us didn happen gaze and custom each time sadist pictur hurl larg precipic pictur swarm german tourist cheer and take holidai snap can figur that part everytim read sig contain spoke wheel shudder and feel piti that poor soul suffer imagin owner scrap live discard maytag refridger box tuck hope for deliver had past loath milwauke machin can begin understand preach hope beav mike beavington dod sabr mbeav bnr employ idea talk
rec.motorcycles	tape daytona articl acsu buffalo edu ubvmsb buffalo edu mark olszowi write haven mention for repost tnn show daytona sundai april est don miss hell finish look for and didn manag find list for tnn tape vh and persuad lend watch great jon wright hell page softwar inc dod that come outa mouth vfr
rec.motorcycles	women jacket daemon child articl apr colorado edu bowmanj csn org jerri bowman write articl bethdc juzw netcom bethd netcom beth dixon write articl apr mnemosyn edu jhenslei nyx edu john henslei write beth dixon bethd netcom wrote duc doesn back carri lipstick jacket pocket life hard wife for jacket and men style don fit fit shoulder and arm tight across chest that suggest assum that pilot addit handi storag facil pretti decent fit compani that make reason line women motorcycl stuff importantli boulder denver shop that bother carri articl motorcycl coupl month back specif women attir for and not ride mention make stuff specif for women dimens and work bate will make custom jacket and leather for reason charg jon wright hell page softwar inc dod that come outa mouth vfr
rec.motorcycles	want advic for cylist blaisec blais cirelli write question danger ride sorta question bike you recommend for time rider honda hawk ymmv paul thompson appl comput
rec.motorcycles	your opinion and mean articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write you aptli put road jerk don wanna hear your whine fine fuck you notic two year ago and learn and cost and peopl friend and rel involv drunk relat accid not hit and cousin recov can back happen stupid remind time you help stuff your opinion hei man you brought agre complet drive drunk stupid and understand and that you feel bad dwi endem societi real problem and motorcyclist can worst vulner posit drunk driver alert reader rememb that last year wit dwi accid bloodi front and unabl save life particip report drunk drive motorcyclist prime injuri and death rais insur rate forc stupidli restrict law and turn public ride respons view drunk drive carri mandatori prison sentenc traffic offens not public fund issu genuin safeti issu you bring subject rec moto admit caught dwi and for sympathi consequ don expect peopl respond warm wish dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire you and beav lighten esp beav agre that dui dwi reason law strict enforc and tough sentenc andrew not post for sympathi consequ post ask for advic had extrem high quot post valid found insur for note predica not defend drunk drive and renounc drunk drive repeat offend worri and bdc make thi person longer part problem outcast paid debt societi step high hors irrespons past that guilti type hostil rapist come feel punish not sever true dwi dui that case stinkin gubment chang had reason law dwi dui stiff penalti fewer peopl rate andrew paid debt defin law you that debt greater law mandat your repres jack water dod don fear thief night that come afternoon asleep that worri
rec.motorcycles	extraordinari footpeg engin articl vtserf edu ranck joesbar edu ranck write exb csdvax csd unsw edu wrote guess you make left turn correct edg stud contact road caus turn and unthread you had make turn tighten stud bzzzt for plai make turn sucker coupl feet ground michael michael nelson cbr internet nelson seahunt imat dod
rec.motorcycles	owner tankbag suggest want martenm chess ncsu edu mark marten write for tank bag and wonder you follow owner make suggest and not work for you file thi apolog for ask and will gladli accept flame that blown belstaff tankbag and ain good difficult fix secur co tank fair sidepanel layout and bar full lock bag touch handlebar switch you horn full left lock and starter motor full bui anoth for magnet
rec.motorcycles	bike short not older bike yamaha virago spec seat height and honda shadow
rec.motorcycles	mainten tip read servic manual for bike suzuki coupl question hope you can answer check oil level dip stick built into oil fill cap check cap screw not us dip stick for cage stick extract fulli wipe clean and reinsert fulli withdrawn and read dip stick bike part oil filler cap and inch thread remov cap wipe stick clean and reinsert screw read servic manual call for applic suzuki bond head cover guess thi sort liquid gasket materi you gener cheaper substitut headlight halogen bulb easi brighter replac bulb for your weather philadelphia final turn warm thi weekend lotsa bike and rider wave nice chang tone philadelphia can chri christoph karra internet cgkarra world std
rec.motorcycles	want advic for cylist ditto articl srgenprp blaisec blais cirelli write think bike owner thi year bike experi figur that get decent us bike for thing pai for grad school car permit and want ride bu for advic bike model year not for loud roar thing that sound monster quit whir newer engin like apprec advic
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post mj sy uea mike sixsmith write mj cours and that not mj teach techniqu success you don miss you never had poor sod don miss guess ignor bliss mike bill bill leavitt cbx white lightn suzibago leavitt umd edu honda lone star sick leav dod ama icoa nia impala convert incred hulk hmmm thought bore and stroke techniqu michael bain
rec.motorcycles	stori lynn pacesett lynn hall write allow god open contain street sign bar yeah cop hand for coupl thousand biker block main street not cite street fill empti can feet deep gutter crowd raisin hell titti show can you parti and stereotyp erc
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk mere femal found can big offens line asshol car driver found subtl and nastli ooop mean nasti back cut you wait till pull past you and gentli lean and bend aerial time that eventu snap base undetect for and bummer replac gillian
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post mj sy uea mike sixsmith write mj that you don even peopl mj techniqu counterst co will intuit mj time round corner karr cornel edu david karr write karr you rememb that you can corner karr counterst fact experienc rider instructor karr claim that rider and make bike karr turn whichev side want shift weight karr even oper turn opposit karr direct admit never thi experienc thi back young and foolish bike us track extrem true highwai set throttl tension screw hold ga steadi slide back seat and lean backrest ride hand need turn shift weight into turn and and behold bike turn san touch bar grant wouldn turn fast prove that you can turn bike counterst not term input bar associ counterst peopl you lean and input give bar total unconsci that suffici you road normal circumst possibl for year stretch can argu that thi prefer properli know manipul bar turn you want call for sixsmith bill bill leavitt cbx white lightn suzibago leavitt umd edu honda lone star sick leav dod ama icoa nia impala convert incred hulk hmmm thought bore and stroke techniqu michael bain
rec.motorcycles	insur discount hola amigo quiero answer press question two bike and love capabl and smooth street bike low and lightweight wide power and great brake beemer kind rough for citi great long road and backroad good start stabl don work insur pluck short hair insur agent offer multi vehicl discount thi time for car assum that you capabl drive thing time don manag straddl bike and ride tandem street turn left acceler zephyr turn acceler beemer agenc that make us thi simpl fact discount your rate state farm doesn move bai area insur bike and regist eas shock can guesstim cost insur and tucson cost full and liabil for two per annum mucha gracia enriqu
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion articl dsc rwert bob wert write advic ride pillion ninja thi will time for extend ride read farther block ride twisti fairli bumpi road mine road hamilton loop for you bai arean commun work your system slow and holler back onc reason speed even muffl magna can hear each mph that you can commun balanc passeng real pain you never react steer peopl catch immedi and lean complet skittish lean thing and bodi perpendicular horizon thi pain turn manag worst passeng stai perpendicular horizon rememb middl turn and whip correct posit thi screw line pick person checklist thing passeng attir helmet long pant boot heavi shoe jacket feet peg time not you can had peopl dismount traffic pull park space muffler get hot nuff good traction not fall time rider surpris tightli you can turn turn dynam sit that you feel you sit upright and straight trust your butt not your ey you confus close your ey for coupl turn feel hug tight sudden move shift your weight desir gradual can compens your facepl open close desir trust essenti trust driver thing driven mile thi thing and oper enjoi ride thi import stress for exampl time passwnger watch speedo hawk drove beach and whever top mph holler slow scare humor for simpli cover speedomet spare piec duct tape stuck top cluster problem solv watch sceneri instrument and had time base experi drive lincoln continent unwil trust abil choos safe speed for bike point control engin transmiss brake tire etc and discuss motorcycl physic bit for timer help calm nerv and bike chanc warm watch for gravel hamilton road lot mudslid last big rain blind corner will nice cover carpet round invis stone doesn build trust you slide blind corner trip good luck fun don drink soap dilut dilut
rec.motorcycles	ain for articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write confus that surpris ask for copi faq mail not kotfaq wonder proper responc panel judg deliber question and answer send request copi and gang faq blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	your opinion and mean articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write you aptli put road jerk don wanna hear your whine fine fuck you attitud problem muttonhead you comment sensit despis peopl belittl drink and drive sinc girlfriend kill such asshol back learn verbal abus you can flame and you can us your brain stai newsgroup beav mike beavington bellnorthernresearch ottawa ont canada dod seca seca seca suzuki seca turbo sabr gt can afford mbeav bnr thi compani idea talk
rec.motorcycles	bike motorcycl enthusiast motorcycl and put bluntli suck advic good starter bike for thing make bike good bui second time question specif interest race bike cbr gsx that thi sound kind crazi that never had bike respons fast learner and love give advic that you search includ place even specif bike that you want sell jami belliveau jbc andrew cmu edu
rec.motorcycles	bike motorcycl enthusiast motorcycl and put bluntli suck advic good starter bike for thing make bike good bui second time question specif interest race bike cbr gsx that thi sound kind crazi that never had bike respons fast learner and love give advic that you search includ place even specif bike that you want sell jami belliveau jbc andrew cmu edu
rec.motorcycles	comment honda interceptor jearl tekig pen tek jeffrei david earl write articl apr skyfox howp skyfox write purchas honda interceptor for cdn don mileag thi bike pictur trader magazin good shape can enlighten whether thi good purchas oog hate jump thi type thread pass big top heavi and carri lot expens part friend refer ground magnet jeff earl jearl tekig pen tek dod kottg kotspt wmtc ama millennium falcon squid factor klr thumpi hit button chewi han solo ain nothin mph sweeper idaho rocki dean woodward you want step into world dean fring rain socio psychot state bliss virago gun rose world dod
rec.motorcycles	dog articl apr ac ucalgari parr ac ucalgari charl parr write sheesh even train attack dog match for human advantag agre thi you grab chin and care your hand twist head tailwag you death even had occas unexpectedli jump german shepherd and grab upper jaw hand and lower jaw hold mouth open strong clamp and can noth thi macho shit fact that you ride bike and dog arrow intercept unwis for you stop and deal dog for simpl fact that your leather and work your jean you can dismount and deal properli mean you kick dog attent stop and stai you kick dog and ride that victori for dog drove you territori not even qualifi victori victori you kick and stop and sit dog will shit thi gui and back you establish your domin dog and will not bother you llama stori you stop llama will hop and insist ride and that you lucki doesn you barf you bike and steal curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
rec.motorcycles	question helmet side fenc own bieff road helmet minor fall and had visibl damag shell helmet job damag impact ratio scari bell moto impact order twice bieff impact thi frequent and don even scratch two season recommend bui high qualiti gear ymmv mark
rec.motorcycles	women jacket daemon child articl bethdc juzw netcom bethd netcom beth dixon write articl apr mnemosyn edu jhenslei nyx edu john henslei write beth dixon bethd netcom wrote duc doesn back carri lipstick jacket pocket life hard wife for jacket and men style don fit fit shoulder and arm tight across chest that suggest assum that pilot addit handi storag facil pretti decent fit compani that make reason line women motorcycl stuff importantli boulder denver shop that bother carri lucki found jacket like that fit make pilot jacket mine similar style made leather san jose bought last two made find decent women motorcycl gear not easi lot stuff that fring made fashion leather made fit men etc don shop your area women rider friendli place san francisco san jose area don recommend bui cloth mail order hard fit bate custom make leather you want call and cost estim for type jacket your wife interest larg manufactur bmw and sell women line cloth decent qualiti fit iffi ago noemi and lisa sievert talk start busi thi sort thing don final decid beth that john collin us carri honest god women garb beth true beth dixon bethd netcom yamaha excit girl dod yamaha spike garag rat fssnoc ducati ama ducati monza restor project kqspt can handl thi side derang top
rec.motorcycles	max handl request articl apr newbridg bradw newbridg brad warkentin write fast quickli lastest rumor rear wheel handl dream straight line and get tad upset review cycl world corner you can you can you mean fast straight line perform and handl present dai liter sport bike horsepow and faster and mile time max corner bit handl good big standard earli not compar what state art dai true randi davi email randi megatek pilot uunet ucsd megatek randi dod thi eleven nigel tufnel spinal tap
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rec.motorcycles	cat and dog articl mqinn emori mathc emori edu gnome org write jame bessett jimb cbnewsj att wrote articl hplsla ken hplsla ken snyder write breeder chase bmw cam chain that case chase goldw toni toni kidson pgp kei request voic morgan tower cat had move mail order morgan road had top toni morgan demon bromlei machin tny cix compulink england honda dod compuserv
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rec.motorcycles	chang sprocket ratio honda articl btb uki edu cbrook uki edu clayton brook write honda guru can replac front sprocket honda slightli larger thi prefer reduc size rear that twin cam steel guard sprocket broken chain punch hole engin case and need not room fit bigger sprocket inclin two teeth rear for ratio chang ad front for you rais gear ratio you impair bike rideabl gear will apart that will gear that adequ respons speed honda don widest power band chuck karish karish mindcraft karish pangea stanford edu
rec.motorcycles	bike sold net mile previou articl essbaum rchland vnet ibm alexand essbaum articl hplsla ken hplsla ken snyder write bike sold long distanc love hear bought vfr gui san jose net that mile odomet mark andi live pittsburgh bought dude massachusett connecticut sold bike net young ladi live salt lake citi live lost angel turn had mutual aquaint ucla bower dod alfa ducati hobi kottk blad iaido nasa good sake don you that girl can plai guitar mari chapin carpent
rec.motorcycles	protect gear second boot oil spot car slipperi park bike and good boot squid
rec.motorcycles	chang sprocket ratio honda articl cellar org craig cellar org saint craig wrote can contact chaparel cycl suppli hei even had sprocket for hard find accesssori for second that even had sprocket for hard find john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi sender repli harmon gyro tek harmon sommer distribut organ usr en etc organ keyword bmw owner think sign for moa begin suspici throw monei rathol current membership laps for renew case that not for anoth year hint will organ busi that long and prefer longer and worth part becom activist campaign for insur program for univers driver rider train licens pick topic dear your heart and organ act barnacl don move ship
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post sender repli harmon gyro tek harmon sommer distribut organ usr en etc organ keyword hei you explain fact that you pull hors rein left left confus two thread taught neck rein left rein brought bear left side hors neck equestrian counter steer
rec.motorcycles	for sale sell sportster make room for flhtcu thi scoot excel condit and never wreck abus garag sportster standard blue factori convers kit mile branch port and polish big valv head screamin eagl carb screamin eagl cam adjust pushrod harlei perform muffler tachomet metzel tire front and rear progress front fork spring harlei king and queen seat and sissi bar chrome ring chain fork brace oil cooler and thermostat die hard batteri bike cover price phone melbourn florida
rec.motorcycles	insur and lotsa point cked for insur had dwi and for beemer rec vehicl cost almost buck insur year sell bike and return dod number andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl qjn sixgun east sun egreen east sun write articl hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write articl sixgun east sun egreen east sun write singl track snow vehicl front ski and snow ski attach skier leg deform surfac snow creat bank ic skate alter phase ic and carv track bugger motorcycl appar similar handl characterist not analag underli physic that motorcycl handl characterist last attempt tack agreement that two explan for can us handlebar lean move motorcycl question effect domin and idea design experi seaprat two characterist and effect produc similar result bike familiar that spark controversi gyroscop precess examin thi alon rid contact patch effect not allow contact patch transmit forc wheel and steer mechan remain and attach vehicl weight bike suspens that wheel transmit forc bike similar bike experi ride bike dry road move and wheel spin chang surfac that won transmit forc contact patch and steer manoeuvr bike lean sinc easi fall ic wouldn good idea feel contact patch can turn even ic doesn rid contact patch forc altogeth find frictionless surfac you wheel lock rotat that contact patch effect fairli simpl find vehicl that get magnitud and direct cantact patch forc motorcycl and transmit vehicl rotat wheel get contact patch forc irrelev for that contact patch that can straight and not sidewai and ski skate fine don snow ski skate bike suzuki wetbik that arrang motorcycl fat water ski wheel propellor front rear ski that coast rid effect admit that thi second hand info love review local cycl rag and gui bike shop that sell that thi machin handl motorcycl that you counterst turn contact patch that transmit similar forc bike similar suspens arrang and gyroscop counterst conclus you don gyroscop counterst vehicl that motorcycl contact patch arrang don real effect gyroscop observ handlebar angl forc etc relat steer gener will bet that not domin factor counterst you don thi conclus don accept motorcycl behaviour consist can prove ahead bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna write don stupid leav your helmet seat can fall and boom true put ground free spoog directli head that kind fall helmet design protect not exactli helmet lot energi your head isn and lump insid compress liner shell drop seat crack shell doubt you can send inspect bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk articl nielsmm nanna imv aau nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen write dai rain cat and dog therefor speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw drive meter for meter and red light calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll window and told total idiot and reason thing us mad and commun anger jerk uhm educ improv manner traffic tail heavi traffic slow bit buffer zone front balanc minim buffer find that jerk will notic traffic move faster lane switch into and pass fine can ey jerk ahead front split attent ahead and mirror traffic heavi that for jerk pass pull for street number name ignor jerk jerk tail thi sound wimpi denizenli pessimist perhap for psych type passiv aggress that prefer adrenalin jolli ride yell jerk ride can improv dai yell jerk like for ruin ride dai anger worst case yell jerk ruin life sinc even tini jerk cage arm cage bike hand you subtli arrang last vehicl legal cross intersect leav jerk wait for cross traffic and your tail cross illeg hopefulli front wait polic almost your choic and mileag will vari deni mckeon galwai chtm eec unm edu
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi articl shaman tek harmon tek harmon sommer write bmw owner think sign for moa current membership laps for renew hint will organ busi that long becom activist campaign for insur program for univers driver rider train licens pick topic dear your heart and organ act barnacl don move ship you not refer quot individu barnacl don each send crew ship move organ act easi can and organ will larg determin presid and director can that make import vote elect offic strike that bmwmoa lot polit activ state and nation arena not infight organ chang thi join group that polit incident polit hazard motorcycl rider moment don compar problem group gun owner target pistol shoot northeast california and bet you you had worri wear helmet thread rec moto eventu come gun david karr karr cornel edu
rec.motorcycles	for women motorcycl helmet bui us motorcycl helmet interest full face shield not necessarili helmet piec chin email directli janic kendal kendal adob decwrl sun adob kendal onward fog oat willi
rec.motorcycles	max handl request articl apr ntuvax ntu ntuvax ntu write ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl cycl world magazin never bad motorcycl max motor thing short short chassi love straight line aim nice stabl not overfond corner forc into protest shake head chatter front tire grind footpeg and gener make prefer for straight pavement bump doesn fork isn bad soft that can bottom hard brake shock work that short travel shaft drive swingarm firm point harsh dave tharp dod you can wear davet interceptor cd tek mra indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief ama built rock velorex nsu max knock bmw compuls harlei that employ idea joiner give you grief
rec.motorcycles	hasti appar that last post hasi sinc call place and quot for and liabil palc will give for car liab bike for total ain bad won place call that fer andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	time kind soul advanc time rev for special bought canada
rec.motorcycles	for sale sell sportster make room for flhtcu thi scoot excel condit and never wreck abus garag sportster standard blue factori convers kit mile branch port and polish big valv head screamin eagl carb screamin eagl cam adjust pushrod harlei perform muffler tachomet metzel tire front and rear progress front fork spring harlei king and queen seat and sissi bar chrome ring chain fork brace oil cooler and thermostat die hard batteri bike cover price phone melbourn florida
rec.motorcycles	stolen aarghhhh articl jpolito apr sysgem encor jpolito sysgem encor jonathan polito write articl apr microun ericm microun eric murrai write watch scumbag steal cover that mean that steal bike case had fade cover stolen bmw that stash apart carport and not visibl street evid decid beemer wasn worth steal night steal honda hurrican park apart build neighbor heard wheel and call cop thi set thi thing that good bmw bike account heard practic steal bmw similar for moto guzzi and rel exot sinc isn larg demand for part and bike easier track that stolen bike harlei and jap sport bike you for reason btw coupl year ago stolen bike orang counti and gsx and ninja biggest reason bmw aren rip that peopl bui bmw will deal actual bmw dealer mail order type can inventori check fairli easili law enforc type and mark suffici honest acquir part for harlei and rice rocket you situat huge aftermarket harlei part bike can part fairli easili ditto sport japanes bike price part for not high compar for rocket anytim bike plastic crack and expens replac fairli easi for disreput shop fair stolen bike slap bike for repair repaint and make tidi profit part traceabl can us discard traceabl mike disclaim opiini damn exit quitby ctrlaltdel logout save quit quit zzzzzz man helpquit man exit quit ctrlshftdel hei stop
rec.motorcycles	passeng helmet size articl sixgun east sun egreen east sun write articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write question for dai passeng helmet you don for gonna ride you you meet church meet yeah that ticket guidelin pick anoth shoei size backup helmet inexpens smaller size accomod like passeng your primari concern protect passeng event crash fit for helmet that size your primari concern compli stupid helmet law carri real big spare you can put big small head big helmet not small shop for passeng helmet notic that case extern dimens helmet differ amount insid pad solut bui larg helmet and construct remov liner sheet close cell foam and satin glu insid surfac result snug fit smallest head pillion liner and comfort fit largest head pillion liner get liner not fit michael robinson ucbvax cogsci robinson internet robinson cogsci berkelei edu
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi bill ranck write bmw owner think sign for moa begin suspici throw monei rathol you gui sort thi bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg ditto for tim seiss
rec.motorcycles	us bike east west coast hpcc rec motorcycl groverc gold gvg tek grover cleveland apr shop for your bike sacramento bai area price higher state affirm check sacramento bee fresno bee modesto stockton bakersfield and newspap for price moto classifi larg main public librari number town paper graem harrison hewlett packard commun compon divis trimbl san jose gharriso hpcc corp dod
rec.motorcycles	paint job can recommend good place for price bike paint job prefer not essenti london area lisa rowland alex technolog hous uxbridg road tel eal fax london email lisa alex
rec.motorcycles	happi easter nick pettefar npet bnr wrote kevinh tue apr gmt wibbl jonathan quist bemoan minor blasphemi that compani like jaguar sob lotu outright sacrileg for british ownership fundament thing lotu set for manag buyout weren happi that elan late and pricei can write elan develop cost sell for sensibl price legal claus name own british compani owner can sell compani not name kevinh hasler ascom don that seper compani aero engin compani vicker roll royc car and kevin post morgan us slide pillar front suspens bike long bleed last will that pettefar bloke mail address can bung ogri list dave david edmondson david dc qmw queen mari westfield colleg dod guzzi man thi mean end hors drawn zeppelin
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer wrote grf drop shoei seat bike rock centerstand chip heck paint graviti never you lesson put your helmet ground your head you put ground isn gonna fall ground you put your head tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die mcguir utexa edu tommi marcu mcguir wrote egreen east sun write tjohnson tazmanian prime tod johnson write horn hand throttl into feet bike mph second long push horn button answer feet feet edgetacalcul rom number easi rememb mph sec tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	moa stuff articl world std artc world std art campbel wrote hotli contest bmwoa elect and inept leadership question histori bmw organ that lead format bmwra year ago that precipit format two compet owner group yep start nomin simultan splitsvil start sourc correct gui involv start group true tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	bike and contact thing full face even cheap brain bucket didn full face import gnarli spill and end slide feet face visor you worri your contact
rec.motorcycles	for movi bike billi jack wild smokei and bandit jerri reed run truck motorcycl gang bike and video tape documentari hell angel found rental store onc
rec.motorcycles	want advic for cylist angel levin write exactli danger you mind jodi
rec.motorcycles	counterst not question lotto husc harvard edu jerri lotto write run thread understand counterst lot opinion not basi fact studi bottom line understand and abil swerv essenti absent accid involv rider hurt studi averag rider not identifi that counterst alon primari input effect motorcycl lean even year practic agre paragraph hurt studi make distinct abil swerv and failur swerv accid and accid that rider will almost stand brake hard dare simpli instinct brake face danger strong that ride hard brake and swerv tend mutual exclus manouvr hurt draw conclus gener prefer
rec.motorcycles	for women motorcycl helmet lisa alex lisa rowland write janic don unduli cautiou wouldn bui us helmet not for normal road us you never happen past life fun lisa rowland second that list stuff that unwis bui secondhand stuff parachut toilet paper condom and motorcycl helmet risk you extrem good fit secondhand helmet co life doesn work that and lisa you never
rec.motorcycles	flame exhaust articl quw btq cso uiuc edu mikeh cso uiuc edu mike hollyman custom that replac cylind head gasket put back togeth wouldn idl run cylind and backfir and spit flame exhaust side exhaust mac bought plug todai and run rough and won idl quit fine tune knob carb mess check time fine advanc and that didn assum carb synch can bui kit and thi kit for price suggest advanc mike hollyman sound you cam time
rec.motorcycles	antifreez coolant articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna for you motorcycl liquid cool persuas brand coolant you us and for aluminum safe coolant prefer phosphat free and prefer cheaper gallon can you kaw dealer quart for offici bless holi kawasaki coolant pai that usuri chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog thought that coolant aluminum safe sinc tear kawasaki add
rec.motorcycles	your opinion and mean infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write sinc occur paid dollar renumer drunk class and listen righteou asshol that your rest world you never had your suare devil made
rec.motorcycles	counterst not question wed apr gmt mj sy uea mike sixsmith mike lotto husc harvard edu jerri lotto write understand and abil swerv essenti absent accid involv rider hurt studi mike agre paragraph hurt mike studi make distinct abil swerv and failur mike swerv specif abil understand techniqu absent made lot progress rider educ and respons last ten twenti year amaz anytim teach erc peopl year ride experi discov counterst for corner swerv mike hard brake and swerv tend mutual exclus mike manouvr hurt draw conclus gener mike prefer specif recommand cite hurt studi that formal street strategi sipd for exampl import compon rider educ curriculum specif skill emerg brake corner and swerv taught and practic signific that rider noth confront potenti accid and anoth collid fell result rider error choic specif maneuv signific outcom earli detect and proper execut effect countermeasur jerri lotto lotto lhasa harvard edu msfci hogssc bcso ama dod chemistri dept harvard univ harlei and ride want
rec.motorcycles	for joh dhhalden last pete young tue apr gmt wibbl nick pettefar npet bnr wrote tsk tsk tsk anoth newbi bite dust learn newbi disappoint you internet baghdad you your dad bag thi bit funni peopl made thi group interest year ago longer and time make random sweep onc week miss thi thread terribl base your previou post appar devoid humour sarcasm wit appar capac walk and chew gum time assum you mea culpa subtleti sort you subtl isn nice that bnr that can afford overpai contractor sit and read new dai that foreign firm for you and touchi newbi that matter starch undi nick consider biker dod concis oxford gum chewer lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar charl parr tue apr gmt wibbl articl apr bnr npet bnr nick pettefar write satan rode bike you stop rider stick togeth you stop for satan ride vincent god jesu ride angel ariel and demon ride matchless talk fill teeth regard charl dod span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person that vincent wrong sort bike for satan ride honda brought bike magazin evil that satan not hesit ride hole dm levi and black bomber jacket not helmet darth vader you satan cruisin god ride vincent white lightn rightou inject wear piec leather suit match boot helmet and glove nick righteou biker dod concis oxford leaki gearbox lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli post shafti can wheeli mike impos due shaft effect centripit effect rotat shaft counteract tendenc for front wheel lift ground good point john buddi mine told that thing had bmw dump clutch rpm hei ito nly rev and you folk shaft doesn diddleysquatpoop can front wheel ground ferchrissak bill wr gozer bill slack dod tear shed vain and word lost rumbl engin and smoke exhaust
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl dpa new ysu edu yfn ysu edu john daker previou articl xlyx vax cit cornel edu mike terri ask wheeli motorcycl shaft drive mike impos due shaft effect centripit effect rotat shaft counteract tendenc for front wheel lift ground dod darkman last two motorcycl shaft driven and will wheeli rear gear climb ring gear and lift rear odd feel wheeli
rec.motorcycles	for sale zephyr boi and girl bought beemer and realiz abruptli that grad student sold truck yesterdai sell zephyr can sell thi month great insur and tag run coupl week tag and insur and happen sweet bike mile almost highwai last summer great ride and border purchas exactli year ago apr model good fair and luggag rack red clean perfect mainten bullshit spare detail want and will fit charm not bike for big peopl not small bike standard upright posit and good smooth power great brake good karma erik dod asphaug hindmost lpl arizona edu kawi zephyr erik asphaug bmw
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack eagerli await comment ic princess door make habit floor cage drivewai see come hit mph made mistak wave neighbor sort grudg ride downhil mph local backroad brown dobi flash brush mph intercept front wheel dog had start top hill heard and had lead hit road dog approach left and run full tilt bike side road rover back calcul final trajectori bad didn notic car approach mph direct closeup view poor canin friend noggin careen front bumper smack asphalt and get runov front tire manag pretti good yelp impact peripher immin doom guess driver didn swerv into lane squeege pup and head back home haven sinc sniff sometim fate see you and smile rick
rec.motorcycles	for sale sigh for sale reluctantli classic bike yamaha twin origin mile store insid front end aftermarket taper steer head bear racer suppli rear bronz swingarm bush tsubaki chain pirrhana fair headlight cutout carrera race seat superbik bar velo stack twin carb origin seat tank origin cherri white paint scratch dent ding exhaust origin final rust and discard process make kennei robert replica cafe racer graduat school marriag child preclud effort wife love unload assembl throw manual receipt and collect societi newslett and relev mag articl great fun classic bike invest will reason offer timothi shicklei director neurourolog depart urolog and anatomi cell biologi templ univers school medicin north broad philadelphia voic data voic fax internet shicklei templ edu bitnet shicklei templevm bitnet icbm
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack articl uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau write interestingli thing that never happen that bike never move neg impair sentenc that bike move michael michael nelson cbr internet nelson seahunt imat dod
rec.motorcycles	cobra lock steve buni southwest chicago doc webrid central sun wrote post alt locksmith method for secur motorcycl respons refer cobra lock describ below come across store carri thi lock chicago area feedback us thi yamaha cyclelok photo motorcyclist harden steel kryptonit lock fold place extend lock rear tire tube park sign similar had experi easi attack lock joint section toni
rec.motorcycles	happi easter articl apr isc jeq lachman jonathan quist write roll royc own british firm god that end civil not ford own aston martin and jaguar gener motor own lotu and vauxhal rover own honda dave tharp dod you can wear davet interceptor cd tek mra indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief ama built rock velorex nsu max knock bmw compuls harlei that employ idea joiner give you grief
rec.motorcycles	bike advic kawasaki mint condit and start kick time outgrown bike and sell told that sound higher lower for us spend and year for bike pai arm and leg for rob fusi rwf lehigh edu
rec.motorcycles	bmwmoa controversi articl apr esac prahren esac peter ahren write articl rider joe rider cactu org write vech msstate edu craig vechorik write good boi that long agre you that current board garbag vote you simpli trade form trash for anoth oppon your select equal time joe don you post you ration bmwmoa folk left rest summari current state affair your esteem organ togeth histor outlin you contretemp you dod member bike and club polit and llsh real turn tuba irwin honk computrac richardson irwin cmptrc lonestar org dod
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rec.motorcycles	bat helmet cbd christoph bradlei devlin andrew cmu edu cbd noth compar ahem uniqu helmet cbd design anim seri huge open for cbd mouth top world tiniest eyeslit enorm mouth cbd open batman helmet cut you degre cbd unrestrict vision helmet thi cbd leather cap mask thingi cbd mon batman doesn batman cbd you notic take bike snow rain batdud weird helmet drag knee corner cookson hidden bat puck and take bike snow rain let robin ride us bat mom made get licens lot easier trend stylish helmet stylish knee drag ride stylish cartoon precipit hmm that deal verit airborn mammalian poseur dare bat squid huh bat squid add make man honorari dod dude dod sticker address for batman current artist comic book and anim seri write and batman becom honorari denizen yeah special kotl preced for induct imaginari member imaginari motorcycl comput bat cave can safe assum that imaginari internet access ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black pig inver live ride kotrb aj king rat work dod squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouv canada live slmr virtual realiti check bounc comput dynam bb hst vancouv canada easi access low rate friendli sysop
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack previou post dog attack gener bad karma weather attempt dog attack approv method slow screw dog triangul target and laugh dog you thi time didn work didn time ride hill lead hous encount liver and white springer spaniel relat springer softail springer spagthorp close relat spagthorp vike dog encount intent harm digress ride unpaint centerlin roughli foot wide road forti and sixti click mph for veloc impair dog shot bush left side road imposs high speed learn had acceler front porch thirti feet head gentli slope approach side road dog and you sipd boom dog left leg and mark bike leg driven side bike consider forc make perman mark plastic part bike and crack panel dog spin look back memori thi moment hazi turn and pick like hous apologet woman explain that dog not hurt cut mouth and hope not hurt feel pain shin and expect cool purpl welt form sadli not left tender shin and cool battl scar interestingli thing that never happen that bike never move not inconsider impact not push bike put bike control gut reaction sudden impact delai pain help didn feel sudden sharp pain that can rememb worri accid thi don prevent travel slower thi not necessarili unreason suggest for residenti area ride speed limit worri happen had car dog consol thought that insan bdi cager whip blind drivewai mph for that matter drivewai long for car hit mph end eagerli await comment ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black pig inver live ride kotrb aj king rat work dod squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouv canada live slmr hurt dammit jim doctor comput dynam bb hst vancouv canada easi access low rate friendli sysop
rec.motorcycles	cat and dog articl apr cbnewsj att jimb cbnewsj att jame bessett write articl hplsla ken hplsla ken snyder write heard dog breeder that chain bicycl and motorcycl produc high frequenc squeak that dog love chase breeder chase bmw squeaki bmw rider rai shea wound effect method unisql inc leah unisql rai utexa edu dai miss boon real bad dod team twinki hawk
rec.motorcycles	bike want advic purchas articl apr mit edu jburnsid mit edu jami burnsid write articl apr ncsu edu jrwater eo ncsu edu jack roger water write relet reader quit impress useful info thi newsgroup dod number busi ride thi count thought cat dod faq mailx hahahha jburnsid mit edu wait press return hei mon gui and gal chose word carefulli and even faq straight don holler bohica even mention dod number your sig can you soundli faqe notic that not faq care monk wait press return jack water dod don fear thief night that come afternoon asleep that worri
rec.motorcycles	flash apr new columbia edu rdc cunixf columbia edu robert castro write bike hazard light front and back turn signal flash sinc live and commut nyc number toll pai rout arriv toll booth switch hazard thisto warn motorist that will take longer second make transact take glove get monei coin changer pocket make transact put glove back take time averag cager take make transact pai toll notic that thi cager tend messag and anoth booth question thi good bad thing tend curiou rob castro email rdc cunixf columbia edu live for todai phone for todai you live dod nyc york york usa beleiv not state onc consid elimin toll for motor cycl base simpli fact that moto clog toll booth mario realiz foolish trade hundr year for relief traffic congest bad won that sumprem court justic job thought rid forev matt denni internet mmd wbst xerox xerox corpor rochest usa reach consensu group confus find answer norman maier
rec.motorcycles	guzzi tire fair question question tire for guzzi tire that bought and crack not owner manual for tire list hayn manual front rear and pressur recommend front and rear oddli pressur for tire list psi reason pressur run that recommend manufactur tire purchas real question thi tire that bike for front metzler tour special and for rear avon roadrunn mark each tire larger that list hayn manual owner manual recommend and common size for thi bike thi will motorcycl innertub comment manufactur tube qualiti size inch for addit mark current rear tire metric match local bmw dealer thought front and back happen good get close match mail order price think metzler laser possibl comp front and back mb varieti longer last belt system us vision and for front and and thought that shaft drive behavior and torqu guzzi that give predict back end control and slide behavior give tire milag life comment friend told thought that bike had boranni rim good rel soft and delic sidewal not mount tire thi time warn shop care comment make havn look rim check make mark told late yesterdai and havn had chanc check rim type anoth note will remov ugli good shape want vetter fair and will run windscreen for eventu simpl round cafe style quarter fair for fork handlebar mount suggest such thing frame mount quarter fair cafe style for thi bike lower bar clip on for restor bike into good condit runner modern updat not histor exactli accur reflect rel represent cafe style picki that period predat thi bike that thi bike such potenti for that edward walsh hewlett packard compani edw boi disk memori divis box bois idaho vision guzzi dod edward walsh hewlett packard compani edw boi disk memori divis box bois idaho vision guzzi dod
rec.motorcycles	sabbat and futur flame begin week sabbat minut six wonder week ride and phone email won check mail setup vacat agent can dial and newsfe dont outstand cfc such thing compuserv address compuserv weekdai ride send mail post think you stuck front your termin sheeyaahhh and monkei fly butt ride safe dave sens ain common dave warner opinion share ama hog dod employ dwarner sceng signatur file dwarner milo compuserv fxst stolen
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack articl clark bdrc clark bdrc richard clark write final trajectori bad didn notic car approach mph direct closeup view poor canin friend noggin careen front bumper smack asphalt and get runov front tire manag pretti good yelp impact peripher immin doom guess driver didn swerv into lane squeege pup and head back home haven sinc thing everydai dog chase bicycl owner thought cute even moto stupid dog thing dai come home opposit lane fluff teeth ran and plai momentum share dodg pick owner blame for drive street live wierd town beav mike beavington bellnorthernresearch ottawa ont canada dod seca seca seca suzuki seca turbo sabr gt can afford mbeav bnr park space don steenkin park space
rec.motorcycles	insur and lotsa point articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write cked for insur had dwi and for beemer rec vehicl cost almost buck insur year bikeless you drink and drive you pai smilei mike beavington mbeav bnr opinion and not compani
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write appar that last post hasi sinc call place and quot for and liabil palc will give for car liab bike for total ain bad won place call that fer nevertheless dwi ckin hope you brain mike beavington mbeav bnr opinion and not compani
rec.motorcycles	bike hors insect impac previou articl egreen east sun green pixel cruncher articl sda usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mike sturdev write peopl train for year jump hors feet equistrian poser wear velvet tail and useless helmet turn that hors bunch weeni fashion nerd and helmet suck wear shoei mountain bike helmet fuck perman injur oop late nah can walk unaid fast chanc mike
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rec.sport.baseball	dodger move articl apr ncar ucar edu tparker music scd ucar edu tom parker write bet buddi dodger move year move dodger year
rec.sport.baseball	record basebal articl psl jinnam jhunix hcf jhu edu admir jhunix hcf jhu edu steve liu write team cub record basebal back and cleveland indian
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rec.sport.baseball	red sleev uniform person think red sleeveless uniform ugli anoth reason won win west eric roush fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu marxist groucho sort grafitti pari tanstaafl internet come close
rec.sport.baseball	joe robbi stadium not for basebal articl apr oswego oswego edu iac oswego edu kevin mundstock write iac oswego edu kevin mundstock subject joe robbi stadium not for basebal date apr gmt notic word not for basebal print pictur joe robbi stadium open dai season preview section usa todai reason for thi assum that word pictur that seat will not for basebal game you pictur diamond stadium relat area mark not for basebal seat terribl for watch basebal happen reach post season imagin that open seat that sure worri futur sam lubchanski spl cwru edu champion peopl loser and treat scorn sugari condiment secur initi pleasur ferment grain decidedli parsimoni time
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rec.sport.baseball	joe robbi stadium not for basebal articl apr oswego oswego edu iac oswego edu kevin mundstock write notic word not for basebal print pictur joe robbi stadium open dai season preview section usa todai reason for thi and answer simpl creat feel park seat will fold back for basebal game you word
rec.sport.baseball	mile high run run will score denver don idea can run score mile high stadium last year bear zephyr tenur american associ total run score per game zephyr game leagu game and ratio found ratio for year rpg lea ratio hrpg lea ratio pretti clear that denver will larg effect run score stick predict last year that top thi year and fairli larg effect homerun appar not larg atlanta wriglei cincinnati and san diego pretti decent home run park john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman edu
rec.sport.baseball	pick comment articl new duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush write articl psbg inngjj master rose hulman edu rickert nextwork rose hulman edu john rickert write articl jfr msstate edu jfr msstate edu jacki russel write psg pitt edu paul galvanek write nation leagu west cincinnati houston atlanta argh you dead wrong not sinc yanke and team nice setup thi year and year come brave don that star team will thi comparison yanke finsh and finsh and game and finish second and game even great team can lose that plai season hand pick brave sure you didn intend compar red philidelphia yanke finish team that good yanke yanke had ag peak year ruth and gehrig couldn plai posit simultan imo ag brave and red thi season that brave will closer peak red slightli pass peak you compar brave and yanke comparison brave yanke fall short two year row excit world seri team won will win seri thi year despit heroic fart team casei stengel dave winfield perhap respond yanke and part comment team thing and lost not unreason for pick anoth team not that john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman edu brewer
rec.sport.baseball	marlin win marlin win articl lloyd lloyd uclink berkelei edu lloyd nebr write that teal bleah color teal team uniform indic futur marlin dire troubl refer san jose shark for proof hope for marlin member rene lachemann fan club oakland coliseum and deep respect for gui gem and walt weiss that franchis class yeah design uniform guilti pauciti style and imagin ugghhh child like marlin uniform helmet shine nice sun make fan ted frank teel mention that thf kimbark uchicago edu advic legal sound you follow law school you will wind jail standard disclaim jame donald misc legal
rec.sport.baseball	mark whiten vacat last week and didn new fill loui end mark whiten trade give arocha allen watson dmitri young dal make decent deal russ smith don georg gervin assist coach
rec.sport.baseball	info need for cleveland ticket articl apr leland stanford edu bohnert leland stanford edu matthew bohnert write cleveland thursdai april sundai april tribe will town date and plai and ticket tribe will town april ticket plai toronto and toronto fan make trip cleveland easier ticket cleveland toronto doubt will sell end season doug bank privat system divis dougb ec comm mot motorola commun sector dougb nwu edu schaumburg illinoi dougb casbah acn nwu edu
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rec.sport.baseball	young catcher mss netcom mark singer articl blue ci pitt edu genet pitt edu david tate write mss netcom mark singer that player thi ag make impact big haven even plai aaa ball thi irrelev you talk averag lot inform thi player base decis you that inform don person clai post show that lopez wasn good exampl niev sinc last year number line previou year didn access point remain know gui minor leagu histori good know major leagu histori you read isn lopez like hit that hit that last year adjust stat for park and leagu and such hit absolut scale olson berryhil lot don you percentag player reach exce mle rooki season talk you mle not project equival thi hit last year major leagu term rate essenc reach guess bob clai that essenti half player surpass previou mle rooki season half sinc player young and improv that your purpos offerman spent get acclim you will dodger team paid big price that season offerman differ place and last place perhap will reap benefit road you compet for pennant didn suppos gut farm system acquir jai bell spike owen content point not that signific sampl that hadn spring train even blockhead manag question whether minor leagu number for real send get warm for stat head amaz that you put credenc spring train you read wrote you amaz claim put credenc spring train quit contrari that lopez hadn that even bozo put credenc spring train interpret failur spring train number meaningless doesn mean that bobbi cox case rule explan for send lopez kid will improv plai aaa keith mitchel wait minut miss keith mitchel aaa and major season poorli for year aaa david tate not you that close pose and open understand can pocket your glove deeper pete rose cum not even tim rain such soft hand
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rec.sport.baseball	young catcher thi discuss mark singer and david tate valentin weigh side dave time opinion fwiw mark ag doesn matter abil untri rooki great minor leagu number veteran proven averag don care plai want sandi alomar had decent minor leagu number grossli inflat pcl gener and la vega project averag major leagu hitter good for catcher admit santiago number come sandi don leagu data mid check that agre send lopez richmond start season box below show minor leagu season hit two hit poorli want that lopez real olson and berryhil not complet mediocr for catcher catcher essenti averag hitter equival averag had hit prior level belong brave reason chanc that lopez last year fluke alomar santiago year level ag doesn satisfi standard evid javier lopez bur dur grn atl maj min tot maj min tot similar note don understand peopl not support neon deion grant thought behavior mccarver last year complet bush last year time place line hard read combin op minor leagu plai speed valuabl op alon and young ag had monster year op total major and minor eqa major leagu averag and averag for last year shown potenti into make hitter leagu two full season reach prime season consid legitim prospect and not simpl side show attract deion sander fla int ea nyi int nyi int atl ric atl maj min tot maj min tot clai
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rec.sport.baseball	red sleev uniform articl apr adob snichol adob sherri nichol write articl new duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush write person think red sleeveless uniform ugli anoth reason won win west uniform decid factor pennant race pirat never won ugliest uniform yellow set sherri nichol snichol adob vote for indian red uniform boog powel onc felt big red blood clot rich barri barri ihlp att
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rec.sport.baseball	predict for sinc run wild predict decid add fuel fire bit normal albeit small surpris american leagu east york yanke baltimor oriol toronto blue jai cleveland indian boston red sox milwauke brewer detroit tiger american leagu west minnesota twin kansa citi royal texa ranger chicago white sox oakland athlet seattl marin california angel mvp kirbi puckett young kevin appier rooki year tim salmon manag year buck showalt comeback player year ozzi guillen nation leagu east loui cardin philadelphia philli montreal expo york met chicago cub pittsburgh pirat florida marlin nation leagu west atlanta brave cincinnati red houston astro lo angel dodger san francisco giant san diego padr colorado rocki mvp barri larkin young john smoltz rooki year wil cordero manag year joe torr comeback player year eric davi champion loui cardin champion minnesota twin world champion loui cardin loui pick heart brain will win divis lose brave nlc and brave will win seri minnesota for stick card kevin
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rec.sport.baseball	young catcher articl blue ci pitt edu genet pitt edu david tate write for rush qualit differ minor and major that requir period adjust and don wouldn you wast lopez year good season year good season year excel season sooner you acclim prime you us can name player rush major for argument sake defin rush brought major for cup coffe prior ag younger and perform below expect career damag thi rush tend agre david that bring player sooner player for thi theori didn work prefer player last year can minor leagu stat import distinguish player legitim had career below minor leagu number project oppos player hype and fail had career not line minor leagu number kick exampl player rush doesn damag career jai bell pa major leagu ag and perform below you expect aaa number season pa year ag and underperform year ag perform improv and won everydai shortstop job and sinc hard for stai minor leagu perform quit aaa thi time rush cleveland suppos like give you bring player earli like struggl that delai time stop struggl and start perform expect sherri nichol snichol adob
rec.sport.baseball	cub game april articl apr oucsac ohiou edu jclark oucsac ohiou edu michael clark write oti nixion line singl left two out break hitter cub win hitter jose guzman that take beat brave thi year smoltz pitch line hit walk and loss
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rec.sport.baseball	young catcher mss netcom mark singer catcher solid defens player club big argument lopez for brave for thi year brave two catcher demonstr solid abil call game work pitcher throw runner thi crux argument sdcn and sdcn camp agre fact that catcher defens basic nonmeasur present you can talk import call game frame pitch block ball dirt exactli catcher rank defens lopez specif reason suspect that bad defens catcher fact that brave media label bad defens catcher can doesn problem mechan such sasser rough edg block ball frame pitch good call clear that plai and practic time can repetit aaa rep major left call game aspect olsen and berryhil credit for call good game and help pitcher staff thi reput that almost veteran catcher catch aaa lopez learn major leagu pitch staff catcher learn tom glavin pitch catch tom glavin similarli wouldn suppris pitcher claim prefer pitch olsen pitch lopez us pitch olsen time will comfort lopez sinc lopez can learn handl major leagu pitcher aaa and sinc doesn glare problem mechan learn aaa that can learn major dave dave bonar mebonar lsuvax sncc lsu edu
rec.sport.baseball	pick comment articl jfr msstate edu jfr msstate edu jacki russel write psg pitt edu paul galvanek write sinc last year anoth shot pick winner and loser skip commentari pick finish due lack time for flame war kansa citi shot top divis bottom word cone thing tremend you mark anoth word offens make pick for last polici never pick buck rodger team for last florida chicago dont expans team finish not last thi year hasnt happen cub wors angel game athlet and expans senat finish ti for last colt finsh ahead cub met last royal finsh ahead white sox pilot last marin finish ahead athlet last appar expans team poor chicago team good thing nation leagu west cincinnati houston atlanta argh you dead wrong not sinc yanke and team nice setup thi year and year come brave don that star team will beat thi comparison yanke finsh and finsh and game and finish second and game even great team can lose that plai season hand pick brave john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman predict for marlin win rocki win and rocki fan will claim that offens adequ
rec.sport.baseball	jim lefebvr idiot articl apr bsu uc bjgood leo bsuvc bsu edu write want that lost respect for jim lefebvr todai cub game dishard cub fan you that bad wait dunston leadoff spot can win thi manag never believ manag had that win had lose rick
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rec.sport.baseball	rocki not rooki new cso uiuc edu dbl uxa cso uiuc edu daniel brian lake write you that expans team fill young not gui murphi galaragga smith depend you can your veteran cheap and can perform higher level your young talent can not talent develop minor give fan familiar name cheer veteran year two that renegad front offic peopl denver open question import expans club expans draft regular draft had each dale stephenson steph uiuc edu basebal fanat consid good wise not overburden inform golden kimbal
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rec.sport.baseball	record basebal team cub record basebal back and admir steve liu admir steve liu internet address admir jhunix hcf jhu edu command chief secur divis club earth chapter presid earth chapter club found april world champion baltimor oriol not seri yard stanlei cup champion washington capit committe for liber and intergr terrifi organ and rehabilit into societi problem that abbrevi clitori polymorph episod red dwarf bangl greatest femal rock band that exist thi sig brought you frungi sport king god man drill hole head not answer mccoi you susanna hoff nice ass comment flanagan club creat largest signatur for past month
rec.sport.baseball	player rush major don you call rush big ben mcdonald didn time minor that ball us aaa had seam larg and gave mcdonald blister forc time learn major gregg wild thing olson and mike deserv young mussina didn spend time minor read that pitcher like that time minor that not admir steve reliv sept liu admir steve liu internet address admir jhunix hcf jhu edu command chief secur divis club earth chapter presid earth chapter club found april world champion baltimor oriol not seri yard stanlei cup champion washington capit committe for liber and intergr terrifi organ and rehabilit into societi problem that abbrevi clitori polymorph episod red dwarf bangl greatest femal rock band that exist thi sig brought you frungi sport king god man drill hole head not answer mccoi you susanna hoff nice ass comment flanagan club creat largest signatur for past month
rec.sport.baseball	marlin fan watch dodger marlin game yesterdai and coupl thing impress that sun shine miami had summer atmospher earli spring for basebal comparison wriglei field earli april wintri dead ivi and bundl fan second and import fan gui gal will admit footbal fan enjoi basebal interest fan accustom miami dolphin cheer thought afc playoff open dai lot feel electr that lack lot basebal fan citi basebal charg and hope two expans team bring back excit find fridai denver bronco fan respond philli opportun pass
rec.sport.baseball	homerun person will never forget mike schmidt home run expo that decid east career high anoth home run that thought total incred alc angl had boston red sox strike pennant don baylor hit two strike pitch for home run that incred turn event basebal sox pennant thing met speak met isn strang nlc that year astro almost mirror nlc philli astro painfulli close twice admit
rec.sport.baseball	florida suck thi talk philli win east scari scari don wrong philli fan late last year look helpless funni thing lot injuri spring train that basic kill chanc don forget dykstra wrist injuri second game
rec.sport.baseball	philli deja read local paper todai found that philli start season not heard talk choke job philli that season ahead cardin game that season mid august manag lose bunch and cardin divis game ahead and lost hope thi season
rec.sport.baseball	note jai indian seri articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write articl rudyc netcom rudi netcom rudi wade write articl fmxd dal niguma dal gord niguma write refer histori didn season for second basemen histori didn even good season alomar last year you measur popular toronto doesn count that you base thi statement baerga lot flash alomar hitter last year batter slg obp rbi baerga alomar thi fascin you that alomar hitter last year and immedi follow that number show that baerga had year categori that show advantag for alomar obp
rec.sport.baseball	tiger stadium gif gif tiger stadium seat chart brian curran mead data central brian meaddata didn ask catch temperatur below ag carlton fisk chicago white sox catcher plai degre april ball game
rec.sport.baseball	philli deja articl apr cabel vcu edu csc imd cabel vcu edu ian derbi write read local paper todai found that philli start season not heard talk choke job philli that season ahead cardin game that season mid august manag lose bunch and cardin divis game ahead and lost hope thi season don shannon cardin fan kohl
rec.sport.baseball	brave pitch updatedir articl apr pt mot pt mot dave naehr write articl adob snichol adob sherri nichol write singl piec evid can find point major leagu basebal offens defens run score import run prevent thi pass common sens test for statist evid percent defens pitch and percent field btw sherri for data find fascin run score import run prevent penni save penni earn clich point that brave starter live potenti won offens support realiz thi big thi staff leav bosox dust legitim comparison two young winner and pitcher that team leagu kill second starter that qualiti pitcher mound team score run team that score run win thi put team pitch advantag provid can stop oppos team score run low score game benefit brave low score game due excel pitch and below averag hit flip side you had start lineup great offens player argu that thi team not great pitcher advantag simpli outscor oppon name game win even rai knight that you thi put run scoreboard that you assembl qualiti pitcher brave offens doesn strong sam dave sherri nichol snichol adob
rec.sport.baseball	tiger woof woof david shapiro peopl can call monkei felt shapiro david yale edu had piano back winter long shapiro minerva ci yale edu piano back trombon will stan belinda
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rec.sport.baseball	cub expo roster question articl apr vmsb csupomona edu cvadrnlh vmsb csupomona edu write todai cub activ mike harkei move make room for harkei delino deshield john wetteland expo for can give info ken cal poli pomona wetteland effect march that rick
rec.sport.baseball	tiger articl apr sbc sunysb edu wynblatt sbgrad sunysb edu michael wynblatt write weird thing lead into top ninth sparki us ac closer henneman tiger reliev and rest sparki trust that want henneman work tiger had dai dai and dai jim
rec.sport.baseball	philli sign mark davi that mean pai salari didn wait for clear waiver not not davi will paid club thi year phil responsb for didn wait for clear waiver club interest gambl will royal fan skeptic pitch winter ball pitch omaha didn pitch even accept major don atlanta stat not impress year save san diego pitch aw year won young for that year
rec.sport.baseball	florida suck articl apr cabel vcu edu csc imd cabel vcu edu ian derbi write thi talk philli win east scari scari don wrong philli fan late last year look helpless funni thing lot injuri spring train that basic kill chanc don forget dykstra wrist injuri second game game bat
rec.sport.baseball	player rush major articl tss hanson tss hanson loo write didn bob horner straight arizona state univ atlanta brave rememb had great month hit dinger and heard japan month short career compar expect for such highli tout prospect due injuri prone overweight and work ethic not suffer rush big len reed holo softwar inc voic ext domain lbr holo atl usa lbr holo
rec.sport.baseball	sid fernandez read thi morn that sid fernandez left last night game stiff shoulder inform extent injuri weather cold air colorado joint stiff for rai miller disclaim cub chopin jpl nasa gov opinion strictli onc spent year philadelphia sundai wcfield
rec.sport.baseball	yankk game closer articl apr freenet carleton freenet carleton ralph timmerman write freenet carleton ralph timmerman subject yankk game closer date tue apr gmt previou articl ax acadiau jason walter work yanke game closer east pennant clobber cleveland fine pitch perform kei and two homerun tartabul basebal thi season and run homer noke for you didn pick bogg your pool tough break had coupl hit and drove coupl run follow yank beat and come team youngster indian yanke win game divis yank mattingli for glove and mvp and abbot for young jason that mean read thi drivel anoth time thi season spare and check you fact you post ralph timmerman life basebal freenet carleton you read ralph plai traffic nap work for kevin kerr kkerr mkcase dseg presid north texa programm user group bb yanke dolphin stroll cyberspac snif electr wind
rec.sport.baseball	make awar that win west atlanta brave not lead wire wire game houston astro percentag point ahead unbeat brave astro byron lee nativ texan stuck utah
rec.sport.baseball	mlb stand and score for thu apr mlb stand and score for thursdai april includ yesterdai game nation west won lost pct last streak home road houston astro won atlanta brave lost san francisco giant lost lo angel dodger lost colorado rocki lost san diego padr lost cincinnati red lost nation east philadelphia philli won pittsburgh pirat won loui cardin won york met won chicago cub won montreal expo lost florida marlin won american west won lost pct last streak home road texa ranger lost california angel won oakland athlet lost seattl marin won chicago white sox won minnesota twin lost kansa citi royal lost american east boston red sox won york yanke won toronto blue jai lost detroit tiger won cleveland indian lost milwauke brewer lost baltimor oriol won yesterdai score idl team list alphabet order nation leagu american leagu houston baltimor montreal texa pittsburgh seattl san diego toronto chicago cleveland atlanta boston cincinnati california philadelphia milwauke york kansa citi colorado york florida minnesota ppd san francisco chicago rain loui detroit idl lo angel oakland idl joseph hernandez ram laker jtchern ocf berkelei edu king dodger raider jtcent soda berkelei edu angel clipper
rec.sport.baseball	boog powel camden yard articl apr alchemi chem utoronto mark balboni thi border blasphemi bob vesterman
rec.sport.baseball	articl apr new yale edu sean garrison articl rvesterm vma edu rvesterm vma edu wrote pitcher like game that not promot pitcher duel bob vesterman basi you make thi statement sean you pitcher pinch hit for not pitcher crank will stai game crank not pitcher duel and team extra run bob vesterman
rec.sport.baseball	ugliest swing articl oasi navi mil kiviat oasi navi mil brian kiviat hotdogish lean plate watch pitch etc thi not pitch make thi ball lean you call ball thi unbias opinion your mileag will vari rickei agreat player watch you forget time lot batter lean pitch come rickei crouch exagger that great player watch you forget unbias hmmm bob vesterman
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rec.sport.baseball	torr worst manag joe torr worst manag basebal for didn sundai game hander pitch decid bench lankform left hand hitter and plai jordan and gilkei hander ninth in base load and two out put lankford hitter power pinch runner and lui alicea hitter power pinch hitter hell think earlier game interview acquir mark whiten comment fortun cardin whiten and that whiten regular even thi meant that gilkei hurt torr like gilkei come bench gilkei hit last year start gui start team leagu sundai game lankford thrown plate replai show bucki dent base coach line and wave lankford home can thi anymor brian distress cardin fan brian landmann georgia institut technolog internet prism gatech edu
rec.sport.baseball	brien taylor last year brein taylor ball tampa florida state leagu began thi year albani hopefulli georg won rush and allow progress rate aaa and bronx thi gui real thing jonathan alboum uva
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rec.sport.baseball	oriol philli red sox can send ticket order inform for team baltimor philadelphia and boston you home schedul can you date for home game juli aug and aug sept and game promot night special discount night ron and oppon for game not repli thi account repli ronc vnet ibm ibm canada lab databas technolog associ develop analyst astelletto tie line intern mail tor
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smith made rotat mercker and bielecki wasn releas end year won comment bullpen jeff reardon blauser win start shortstop job outright end bream and klesko nice hit honeymoon gregg jefferi platoon hunter mitchel win center field job bit star break and nixon stai valuabl pinch runner lonni releas brave find taker trade blauser wrong bream and mitchel bit earli lonni bielecki didn pick sander manag fire thi year chronolog order fregosi showalt valentin riddoch showalt and like stick mattel auto trol mattel auto trol tue mar bond get trade buc for young talent nope won divis and for shot playoff met win divis didn finish last atlanta repeat west that yanke surpris finish second toronto nope dwight gooden win surpass saberhagen win guess thi you pick met win huh roger clemen injur earli season tsk tsk not nice predict thi strawberri fail hit even home run and injur due dodger drop race you that and respons tedward tue mar hmph can you met fan you mind make counter predict follow met come 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bigger lead that oriol will not plai basebal for rest season you win king cogsci ucsd edu thu nov articl nov cornel edu you write indian and season predict cleveland indian will win game year you stvja meteor wisc edu fri sep jose rijo will win young award healthi thought steal base risk such injuri had didn win young maddux surpris oriol will win game year last and pitch staff will team era year not necessarili year win thi will long time verifi don want wait that long won game last year and leagu era not bad start ben mcdonald will not challeng for era titl year will victori year challeng mean finish leader leader season doesn count will never pitcher hype decent starter wasn bad last year consist ac thi year philli will give fewer walk rid bullpen coach ryan not predict whether will rid and you will give team bit time adjust radic chang fine pitch staff steal rai miller pittsburg white sox problem not bad honestli can rid total last year ricki jordan will rbi start game hit spot 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rec.sport.baseball	brave pitch updatedir sbp acad drake edu articl adob snichol adob sherri nichol write singl piec evid can find point major leagu basebal offens defens run score import run prevent run score import run prevent penni save penni earn clich not clich and unlik your comment below not tautolog needn true pitcher basebal essenti qualiti varianc pitch abil smaller varianc bat abil score run import prevent simpli abil activ prevent run weaker point that brave starter live potenti won offens support that your point you you fact pitch and defens win championship and pitch essenc basebal you claim your point and true that qualiti pitcher mound team score run team that score run win and you accus sherri mouth clich thi put team pitch advantag provid can stop oppos team score run low score game benefit brave not clear that thi true high score game team offens win high percentag time low score game split essenti team abil low score game due excel pitch and below averag hit flip side you had start lineup great offens player argu that thi team not great pitcher thought you pitch and defens win championship and pitch essenc basebal david tate dtate pitt edu sir bat not quick member iie orsa tim sabr hand not soft ey not discern and denver call you slugger big catullu galarraga and compar you mattingli
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rec.sport.baseball	cub expo roster question articl msu osc montana edu alird msu osc montana edu write articl apr vmsb csupomona edu cvadrnlh vmsb csupomona edu write todai cub activ mike harkei move make room for harkei delino deshield john wetteland expo for can give info ken cal poli pomona wetteland effect march that rick wetteland come april and will evalu throw and pain side deshield not suffer chicken pox and lost thi offici total pound will back hopefulli week walker will back thi tonight tomorrow corelmark montreal
rec.sport.baseball	cub expo roster question make room for harkei cub shawn boski aaa
rec.sport.baseball	astro back articl hhwv cvk austin ibm marc yogi austin ibm marc stephenson write keep line pessimist net hold astro back contend that count atlanta encount unforeseen problem such injuri keep earli season abysm hit atlanta undisput start rotat feel that relief staff suspect don real closer mike stanton save us that role didn stanton start great last year and falter despit thi your point atlanta doesn person team destruct for houston atlanta suffer injuri start rotat astro relief corp hold togeth doug jone changeup effect and xavier hernandez can effect passabl reason left hand and middl relief iffi tom eden expect joe boever setup man role injur and expans team acquisit houston thought that boever demand monei doug jone can lose touch cleveland star closer minor pretti short span understand boever and murphi consid expend club houston felt that posit fill number player art doug jone kei houston success anoth great year for houston challeng west lousei spring closer minor pretti short span strong rotat will pressur troubl bullpen bit shaki starter slot that basic normal taubense anthoni gonzalez and cedeno fulfil hit potenti anthoni appear taubense swing lot thi year solid knock expo last night gonzalez show earli power and cedeno loopiest swing thi side tim wallach unsuspect strength lower part order save club biggio and finlei aren job get base fill role rbi man bagwel had assum biggio and finlei job biggio concern sinc start season strong side note you concern rumor year uniform talk that road uniform will blech tradit grei word houston written across chest not mistaken home uniform total elimin color orang shiver mclane favorit color red upset current unform dull and sound horribl uniform mid return not pretti houston had establish long precid wear ugliest uniform basebal and like end bargain rememb two year ago relief long win game doubt project win astro fan sinc dai staub morgan jackson aspromont dierker marc stephenson ibm aw advanc workstat system austin disclaim content thi post independ offici ibm posit internet marc austin ibm vnet marc ausvmq ibm astro fan sinc dai ryan scott smith cruz davi bass hatcher david schwam univers houston jetson edu
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rec.sport.baseball	score articl qplh agat berkelei edu jtchern ocf berkelei edu joseph hernandez write articl innfjg senat bedfellow mit edu cmk athena mit edu charl kozierok write articl apr new yale edu sean garrison write stuff upat in score delet that exact time messag even result game not hernandez post daili stand and result dai suppos that compliment put wonder meant compliment thi servic entir basebal world usenet for east coast can final score for west coast game newspap late newscast thi help fan countri receiv weekli score updat week request for thi kind servic previous bb pai new servic mine free charg and copyright restrict not critic your servic fact encourag us don person us and that point post for individu duplic hoc fashion you organ you want send updat and score set privat mail list and us that rememb post final score and updat stand onc dai rec sport basebal newsgroup that privat mail peopl mail list that branch into mail list for and list grow averag peopl dai person such great idea not that good work joseph charl
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rec.sport.baseball	mel hall heard mel hall thi season heard wasn yanke happen doug dolven doug dolven warp montana edu gdd trex osc montana edu
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rec.sport.baseball	mel hall warp montana edu write heard mel hall thi season heard wasn yanke happen doug dolven japan
rec.sport.baseball	mel hall articl apr coe montana edu warp montana edu doug dolven write heard mel hall thi season heard wasn yanke happen doug dolven doug dolven warp montana edu gdd trex osc montana edu mel hall sign japanes team mike mike columbia edu
rec.sport.baseball	brave pitch updatedir articl murdoch acc virginia edu david robert walker write articl blue ci pitt edu traven pitt edu neal traven write separ offens into bat and baserun split and give baserun credit that even give team roberto alomar and team john olerud ident bat stat wouldn that unreason and even you don roberto steal singl base score lot olerud offens gordon wouldn give baserun that effect clear effect olerud hit doubl runner will score alomar leg extra base hit gap runner hold olerud doubl advanc alomar alomar like score hit doubl anoth reason not give extra baserun that run creat formula work for fast and slow team team ran team had faster player current run creat formula work for team bill jame senat exampl us harmon killebrew regularli pinch runner and stole base time caught steal score slightli run predict run creat david grabin grabin zariski harvard edu number you dial imaginari rotat your phone degre and disclaim speak for and speak for
rec.sport.baseball	dave kingman for hall fame articl mssc gqe netcom mss netcom mark singer write kingman fan thought point that player histori game joe carter eddi murrai mccovei and gehrig ruth mai foxx and dawson two each johnni mize had six game current record bob holt rjh allegra att
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rec.sport.baseball	score articl qplh agat berkelei edu jtchern ocf berkelei edu joseph hernandez wrote peopl usenet don want post rec sport basebal daili basi respons overwhelm post won anymor for your time joseph hernandez hernandez apolog for misunderstand explain that that essenti for fan score for cannot problem you post score game complet earlier don necess post score middl game come practic sean
rec.sport.baseball	time player articl apr lehigh edu jsr lehigh edu john stephen randolph write articl apr bsu uc mbstultz leo bsuvc bsu edu write recent work project determin greatest player respect postion sourc total basebal jame histor abstract ballplay biographi word mouth and bias opinion feel free comment suggest flame object statist data not inlcud for time convienc sake judg rel adj op total averag field rang run total player rate total basebal stolen base for curios sake tpr and year plai mvp mike schmidt matthew eddi mathew georg brett wade bogg ron santo brook robinson frank baker darrel evan pie traynor rai dandridg can brook ahead ron santo small advantag field abil come make for larg differ hit averag season combin averag per game year rbi avg obp slg op santo robinson field per game year pct santo robinson even robinson extra putout assist and dp mean respons for out field that doesn make for extra out made plate not mention fewer total base differ op decreas account for wriglei differ consider thorn palmer rate adjust adjust stolen field total product bat run base run run rate santo robinson usual disclaim appli shouldn mark thi comparison field percentag carnei lansford time dead last time sinc thi total rate compar player leagu averag replac level robinson award extra for plai game had great career prefer santo year replac level bman knock traynor list and replac stan hack that similar stori hack hit outweigh traynor superior field graig nettl and buddi bell choic imho recent net discuss support thi point view andr dawson shouldn that field bob holt rjh allegra att
rec.sport.baseball	brave pitch updatedir grabin math harvard edu david grabin write articl murdoch acc virginia edu david robert walker write articl blue ci pitt edu traven pitt edu neal traven write separ offens into bat and baserun split and give baserun credit that even give team roberto alomar and team john olerud ident bat stat wouldn that unreason and even you don roberto steal singl base score lot olerud offens gordon wouldn give baserun that meant comment thi time baserun that import run creat wouldn accur run creat accur team level and lot baserun that account for remain percent greg
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rec.sport.baseball	predict laugh steve novak write edward ted fischer write robert hite write dead wrong last time check jim fregosi manag philli and quit fine job you record basebal asshol confus didn flame you and you extend courtesi your problem hite post wasn flame correct your error that last steve novak sinc read entir origin post hite fischer restrain hite hope never make similar tini mistak steve novak ban bomb ban pope steven advtech uswest
rec.sport.baseball	mel hall articl apr coe montana edu warp montana edu doug dolven write heard mel hall thi season heard wasn yanke happen doug dolven mel aliv and and plai japan yank ask for monei and thought that barri bond make hall obsolet oopsi neill replac mel man outta vladimir alan scene real geniu val kilmer pick gorgeou blond val can for you point you you blond can you hammer six inch spike board your peni val not blond girl gotta standard walk
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri todai april jack morri lost start jai and injur dave stuart thi credit rest pitch staff jack lost bit edg worst start jack morri had
rec.sport.baseball	dodger straight pirat articl qqob innqev mizar usc edu pcaster mizar usc edu dodger write davi and strawberri attribut turn around reggi smith dodger bat coach flew florida dai ago and gave pep talk and instruct davi yesterdai and had coupl hit todai strawberri had two hit yesterdai and had two todai two home run foolish and thought had fact that hit wakefield had kncukl ball that dai and otto stuff reggi gave pep talk and instruct rest lineup suddenli aliv two game beastmast mark singer mss netcom
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rec.sport.baseball	doug robert ken hill for mvp spo
rec.sport.baseball	jewish basebal player articl apr princeton edu roger astro princeton edu roger lustig write articl apr husc harvard edu fry zariski harvard edu david fry write onc jeopardi categori jewish sport hero not answer thi pitcher had hitter dodger contest hank aaron alex trebek don hank aaron pitcher jewish name roger that rememb hank greenberg
rec.sport.baseball	mel hall articl apr coe montana edu warp montana edu doug dolven write heard mel hall thi season heard wasn yanke happen japan plai basebal tom gwitt gwittt alleg edu
rec.sport.baseball	sandberg run rbi note jai indian seri articl jqby new rich bnr bratt crchh nosubdomain nodomain john bratt write rbi and run score two import offens statist you can talk obp and slg you want fact remain team that score run win game flame john bratt you ask for guess that doesn bode for cub doug robert will trade frank bolick for bag us basebal expo
rec.sport.baseball	and america team kingoz camelot bradlei edu orin roth write offici brave start win offici and receiv thi label unoff doubt america team cub guess america love underdog year matter cub talent predict never close never win year lose mount america fallen love perenni loser cub fan chicago team worldwid cub fan worldwid team divis combin aura excit surround cub begin season includ champ that etern hope thi year talent good start pitch hit strong point time that inevit that cub will eventu win god sinc long come time anoth year final win and start win consist cub will remain america lovabl underdog cub america team orin bradlei defenit underdog team that talent and come contend met and oriol prime exampl not cub root for cub feel for basic dog pirat todai great exampl underdog rocki and marlin compet will underdog north star trip stanlei cup final good exampl underdog journei cub good team thi year and plai weak divis america team jester disguis chintan amin univers illinoi urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu neil peart quick judg quick anger slow understand ignor and prejudic and fear walk hand hand
rec.sport.baseball	tiger pound marin pali footbal basebal detroit saturdai school peopl footbal two game thi week tiger score run offens can carri hope pitch will hold camden yard yesterdai everytim look score get higher great site tiger kick butt enjoi game camden yard tiger and toni phillip
rec.sport.baseball	scott erickson scoop scot erickson long for
rec.sport.baseball	and america team cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc write defenit underdog team that talent and come contend met and oriol prime exampl not cub virtual imposs win divis talent game amend your definit underdog team expect lose win underestim talent dave
rec.sport.baseball	bosox win team record todai frank viola and rest pitcher staff boston red sox shutout chicago white sox red sox win thi season red sox won game roger and frank pitch and starter pitch tomorrow dopson will pitch good start and rocki second start that bosox can plai ball roger and frank
rec.sport.baseball	jewish basebal player dave kingman jewish bob comarow eisner decu org
rec.sport.baseball	and america team previou articl steinman utoronto david steinman cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc write defenit underdog team that talent and come contend met and oriol prime exampl not cub virtual imposs win divis talent game amend your definit underdog team expect lose win underestim talent dave met and good exampl red you that expect sweep peopl didn even win game alon win seri prove wrong didn for thi year ignor record had rocki start and that noth colorado rise hunt for red octob continu due respect wlw bye michelson spring olymp champion road ralli leg race rope pull snarf penni war banner spirit cheer michelson menac ride don you love that intens nationalist feel resid hall
rec.sport.baseball	note jai indian seri articl hpcv andi bgsu edu klopfen andi bgsu edu bruce klopfenstein write cmk athena mit edu charl kozierok write articl apr csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson write guess line obp slg love alomar fan left rbi thi list give break delai interest fair stat elia obp slg rbi rni out alomar baerga that baerga larg advantag rbi run bat rni runner not driven and out john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman edu
rec.sport.baseball	basebal spread read bet spread for basebal tend mean not run david rex wood davewood colorado edu univers colorado boulder
rec.sport.baseball	rocki relief onc rocki bullpen fell apart andi ashbi pitch six somewhat shaki in give run game dread relief picther combin give run each in and blew save opportun final expo despit problem pen rocki team that wont lightli into todai game had leagu lead hitter and rbi man galarraga two leader stolen base young and cole and increasingli strong start pitch david rex wood davewood colorado edu univers colorado boulder
rec.sport.baseball	rocki relief articl apr colorado edu davewood bruno colorado edu david rex wood write shaki in give run game dread relief picther combin give run each in lightli into todai game had leagu lead geez can type david rex wood davewood colorado edu univers colorado boulder
rec.sport.baseball	basebal spread articl apr colorado edu davewood bruno colorado edu david rex wood write read bet spread for basebal tend mean not run that spread mean you bet underdog win favorit win charl
rec.sport.baseball	bosox win team record articl jxu black clarku edu jxu black clarku edu dark wing duck write todai frank viola and rest pitcher staff boston red sox shutout chicago white sox red sox win thi season red sox won game roger and frank pitch and starter pitch tomorrow dopson will pitch good start and rocki second start that bosox can plai ball roger and frank long yanke divis red sox will plai basebal red sox can hire east german swim coach train fine art bodi build red sox can us chines women swimmer refer hawk red sox chanc for east thi year bring class work ethic and leadership park each dai and burn desir plai world seri futur hall famer andr dawson will kick butt boston rocki countri anthoni jivoin nation center for atmospher research rsf atd box boulder
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rec.sport.baseball	jack morri previou articl tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer articl cinnpel skeena uc ubc stloui unixg ubc phill loui write jack morri start playoff start era start luck era lucki win last year had era team that score lot run happi pitch era suffer total callaps bad pitcher prone thi total collaps good pitcher closer chasm mediocr smallest push and complet lose grip good can collaps somewhat come back year burleigh grime win and era and era pitch for year carlton won and lost year record sourc bill jame histor basebal abstract and not forget john tudor start and finish had pretti bad era you busch stadium into account start season gave earli run game and stronger game give run last stai game and get win pitch in yup us dig hole togeth and stick run support eventu thi year hasn togeth recal had era half and era half last year hmmm run in suppos start game and wind in pitch run game in era end year total thi hard come back jack finish time retir releas not return form last year million contract aw lot eat hunch that morri gutsi and that pitch injuri and not tell guess that will banish bullpen remaind season start perhap stewart come will danni cox scoreless in tribe todai start for morri good gaston scrambl find starter imagin luckili jai good offens don dare releas end year replac stewart cox doug fowler dxf cwru edu ag mommi and daddi casei rel give lot hug love miss strike poem support heaven great ran and made big hug that last forev and
rec.sport.baseball	red snap game lose streak redreport kevin mitchel sacrific fly eighth brett saberhagen plate pitch runner cesar hernandez give red come victori york hernandez ran for pinch hitter cecil espi in start solid singl move second bob kelli infield sneaker base line and jeff branson bunt rare show excel execut recent hapless red offens cincinnati trail starter tim pugh blink had hit in fourth in lead doubl vinc coleman coleman left strand bobbi bonilla joe orselak pop short orselak pinch hit for eddi murrai argu plate umpir kellogg insid strike draw line that murrai and manag jeff torborg end get toss met start howard johnson pitch homer pugh slightli shaken pop pitch jeff kent singl ryan thompson liner left surpris misplai mitchel and turn into rbi tripl catcher hundlei grounder drawn branson fail bring thompson plai game occur saberhagen due red pitch coach larri rothschild met infield discuss possibl suicid squeez call perfectli thompson hung dry pugh pitch pitch and threat end isn nation leagu great red pick run seventh knot game barri larkin ground mitchel chri sabo and randi milligan back back back singl score mitchel reggi sander plate sabo long fly center doubl oliv score runner dan wilson base coach dave bristol threw stop sign late wilson hung dry kill red ralli rob dibbl ninth and pitch shakili two out and runner second bonilla plate and sundai game late august last year bonilla run dinger slap loss dibbl and spell begin end for cinci season bonilla end walk and hojo fli left give red win week and earn dibbl save opportun win steve foster ego boost two perfect in work strike saberhagen loss bit surpris even pitch eighth red worst team basebal royal victori todai met line york met coleman fernandez murrai orselak bonilla johnson kent thompson hundlei saberhagen total johnson pugh lead pitch thompson pugh rbi pick coleman pugh fourth strand rbi johnson thompson cincinnati red kelli branson larkin mitchel dibbl sabo milligan wilson sander oliv pugh robert foster espi hernandez total oliv strand seventh doubl wilson run oliv saberhagen runner strand rbi milligan sander and mitchel sac branson sander and mitchel ibb larkin gdp larkin york cincinnati pitch york saberhagen cincinnati pugh foster dibbl wilson eject murrai torborg ump kellogg relliford rung demuth attend come red travel pittsburgh for continu into chicago for game tuesdai expect pitch belcher tomlin rstimet
rec.sport.baseball	dimension team royal final run total previou articl sweda css itd umich edu sean sweda thi for quit time absent net for figur stick neck bit royal will set record for fewest run score team sinc incept rule idea thi will fall easili short run that for damn can media fool pick win divis tom gage detroit new claim herk robinson kind geniu for trade aquisit made you thing dodger true cone good drysdal and koufax team win home run leader had bad total lot low score game etc and didn us reliev jeff montgomeri super season for that pick superb pitch team can win hit chanc that team tremend hit pitch you peopl team johnson koufax prime seaver carlton and young real order starter sutter finger and lyle bullpen puni offens assum good defens mazeroski maranvil etc team poor pitch offens cobb carew ruth gehrig mai schmidt wagner and bench you pick order postul that pitch game season end even hitter can succe time year great pitcher can throw lot shutout take player prime throw shutout year and offens run across stratomat plug such time team into regular season plai and report result love that doug fowler dxf cwru edu ag mommi and daddi casei rel give lot hug love miss strike poem support heaven great ran and made big hug that last forev and
rec.sport.baseball	earli bbddd return articl apr new brandei edu pip brandei edu adam levin write curiou start standout earli season ddd thi year concern fan ddd hope produc updat ddd thi week send info signific longest critic etc home run that you thi season vinc
rec.sport.baseball	and america team articl kingoz camelot kingoz camelot bradlei edu orin roth write offici brave start win offici and receiv thi label unoff doubt america team cub orin bradlei jester disguis survei that show that america favorit team damn yanke for underdog love obbasebal trivia cardin seri yank lose record spring train game not count shannon
rec.sport.baseball	montreal question posit mike lans plai cannot find anywher keith mullin ooo ooo internet plymouth take big man cry mullin plymouth edu
rec.sport.baseball	detroit tiger roar michigan and trumbul loader thi year mike illitch head and erni harwel back booth tiger bat will bang thi summer score run two game and fielder tettleton and deer can win divis pitch bull gulli moor well and krueger make decent staff that will team into game henneman close watch boston toronto and baltimor motor citi kitti back
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rec.sport.baseball	and america team articl gui utoronto steinman utoronto david steinman write cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc write defenit underdog team that talent and come contend met and oriol prime exampl not cub virtual imposs win divis talent game player quit win manageri talent blue jai david david shapiro peopl can call monkei felt shapiro david yale edu had piano back winter long shapiro minerva ci yale edu piano back trombon will stan belinda
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rec.sport.baseball	montreal question articl apr plymouth edu mullin plymouth edu mulli write posit mike lans plai cannot find anywher plai deshield shift delino back and todai plai for cold wil cordero natur posit middl infield will seemingli find spot for himm long bat hot tiernei
rec.sport.baseball	detroit tiger david vergolini write roar michigan and trumbul loader thi year mike illitch head and erni harwel back booth tiger bat will bang thi summer score run two game and fielder tettleton and deer can win divis pitch bull gulli moor well and krueger make decent staff that will team into game yeah tiger can score run game read thi woof correctli midseason slump pull thi team content yogi david dwarner journal indiana edu blue riddl product rap art come tape thi time for real mail for
rec.sport.baseball	detroit tiger articl msuinfo msu edu vergolin euler lb msu edu david vergolini write roar michigan and trumbul loader thi year mike illitch head and erni harwel back booth tiger bat will bang thi summer score run two game and fielder tettleton and deer can win divis pitch bull gulli moor well and krueger make decent staff that will team into game henneman close watch boston toronto and baltimor motor citi kitti back nice woof meow and tigger fun excit team that pai last year thi year offens essenti and pitch essenti you will suddenli improv win game will requir win east chang that don rememb win worth stand win charl
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write articl apr mnemosyn edu gspira nyx edu greg spira write howard wong mindlink howard wong write jack lost bit edg worst start jack morri had jack lost edg year ago and had averag year last prove that good lucki you can count good tomorrow lucki prone bad start and bad finish last year enjoi last run morri sign viola cheer valentin hei valentin don boston world seri ring finger damn morri and hall fame futur toronto easili made sign and don boston will win thi year won even top divis shawn
rec.sport.baseball	and america team articl new cso uiuc edu cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc write defenit underdog team that talent and come contend met and oriol prime exampl don you can call team tom seaver jerri koosman and nolan ryan pitch staff team that talent come improv forseeabl greg
rec.sport.baseball	and america team qsk dck usenet in cwru edu jdl cwru edu justin low write previou articl steinman utoronto david steinman cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc write defenit underdog team that talent and come contend met and oriol prime exampl not cub virtual imposs win divis talent game amend your definit underdog team expect lose win underestim talent dave met and good exampl red you that expect sweep peopl didn even win game alon win seri peopl silli team that get world seri can win world seri and expect sweep crazi you put team basebal seri worst team basebal worst team win game time and win seri odd greg
rec.sport.baseball	zane rescu simmon simmon total idiot zane smith learn switchpitch and return zane smith pitch hand moeller pitch simmon readi told you otto had impress win last week otto latest debacl restor simmon reput back form had highest era starter sake not ted sake hope pitch era for rest season yeah tomlin and merc bit disappoint decent consider amount talent and matur shown season bit wors tomlin almost unhitt rooki year lefti batter merc had good oba rooki year show lot concentr plate rooki year walk lose end tonight that walk desrv contract leyland accept part blame for lavallier situat can understand and manag fear lose tom princ waiver even us aright hander slaught not smart platoon blame leyland thi case sinc hcurrent convinc that lavallier give time last year regular season and playoff slaught plai game good averag hand pitch didn leyland and simmon forse thi last year and attempt trade lavallier last year fool lavallier wasn fit last year denni moeller scari candeleria not such high era end season will rang million come customari home run give stage patterson for week patterson serv pirat each year pitch for ranger pirat spent monei patterson stead rooki batter young surpris bit instant impact that excel perform hasn surpris doughti for that rooki pitcher wors expect cook slaught come wasn contract extens last year increas immens lonni smith eric davi sign for compar amount eric can hit can run can field didnt pirat eric davi injur davi healthi lonni smith even lonnni smith get big hit thi year won asset look terribl base and field manag big big sauer make forc agreement favor revenu share concern pleas that idiot danforth prepar team for move tampa bai alex cole fiasco pirat infield and posit good and look good cole replac two outfield eric davi van slyke and cole made respect outfield even eric davi thye pirat respect outfield cole svan slyke and merc hit left hand left stead switch hit simmon option for outfield iron biggest accomplish simmon tenur get alex cole cheap bad compensatori draft pick for bond forget pirat can rant and rave will not pick issu appeal thi doesnt convinc that simmon and sauer idiot noth will final note tim wakefield won aw last start don count pitch last year for rest season pirat content rthe end season will miss redu clutch hit and speed peak second half last season pravin ratnam
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rec.sport.baseball	militello updat hei you yanke fan knock predict baltimor you flood mailbox cri militello good militello good notic skip that strong out not chanc columbu don you reli thi gui fourth not fourth starter thi brittl pitch staff for earli ballyard brave chop chop michael mule michael andr mule georgia institut technolog atlanta georgia decvax hplab ncar purdu rutger gatech prism internet prism gatech edu
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rec.sport.baseball	jack morri articl apr newshub ariel yorku ariel yorku shawn luddington write articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write articl apr mnemosyn edu gspira nyx edu greg spira write howard wong mindlink howard wong write jack lost bit edg worst start jack morri had jack lost edg year ago and had averag year last prove that good lucki you can count good tomorrow lucki prone bad start and bad finish last year enjoi last run morri sign viola hei valentin don boston world seri ring finger oooooo cheap shot damn morri and hall fame futur care had two toronto and jai had sign viola morri frank won and ring and thi year toronto easili made sign your logic curiou and spuriou reason that viola wouldn won game had sign toronto you compar stupid record compar team offens averag morri viola sweepstak year basic hindsight plenti reason appar that viola pitcher base previou recent year and base ag frank almost year younger knew that peopl caught world seri and morri win last year win stupidest mislead statist basebal wors rbi that won mean that jai lot run valid retort valentin weren red sox morri viola choic expect and don boston will win thi year won even top divis thi true won for lack contribut viola care charl
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rec.sport.baseball	zane rescu simmon articl sfovx mium andrew cmu edu mamatha devineni ratnam andrew cmu edu write simmon total idiot leyland accept part blame for lavallier situat can understand and manag fear lose tom princ waiver even us aright hander slaught not smart platoon blame leyland thi case sinc hcurrent convinc that lavallier give time last year regular season and playoff slaught plai game good averag hand pitch didn leyland and simmon forse thi last year and attempt trade lavallier last year fool lavallier wasn fit last year thi biggest load bunk pirat trade lavallier for time even vagu interest team had made that grab princ option lavallier releas had noth releas event injuri slaught lavallier longer capabl everydai catcher sinc slaught good righti lefti offens improv thi move tobi
rec.sport.baseball	militello updat articl hydra gatech edu prism gatech edu michael andr mule write hei you yanke fan knock predict baltimor you flood mailbox cri militello good militello good notic skip that strong out good mussina sutcliff and mcdonald not chanc columbu bullpen steinbrenn charg don you reli thi gui fourth not fourth starter thi brittl pitch staff talent starter and evetu ac higher rank and gener prospect arthur rhode happen hei oriol starter for earli for militello earli tobi elliott
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rec.sport.baseball	bonilla articl apr organpip uug arizona edu krueger helium ga uug arizona edu theodor krueger wrote isn funni that white person call comeon nigger and get ban for year black person call faggot and consequ ted ted you miss vital point roger lustig point previou respons reason schott ban basebal had call and racial bias manner constant basi such thought affect hire practic bonilla hand found mention thi word singl time had critic homosexu stori athlet doesn hire schott had dave pallon umpir admit homosexu decid assist protest met game shea you think that bonilla suspend basebal pallon hope for year suspens opinion that downright ludicr howi rose wfan you start suspend athlet mention derogatori word even singl time condit you peopl remain plai game honestli you analyz differ two case that you bring your articl that you reconsid your thought sean bag vin sculli
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri articl apr newshub ariel yorku ariel yorku shawn luddington write articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write articl apr mnemosyn edu gspira nyx edu greg spira write howard wong mindlink howard wong write jack lost bit edg worst start jack morri had jack lost edg year ago and had averag year last prove that good lucki you can count good tomorrow lucki prone bad start and bad finish last year enjoi last run morri sign viola cheer valentin hei valentin don boston world seri ring finger damn morri and hall fame futur toronto easili made sign and don boston will win thi year won even top divis shawn gee never knew valentin made comment viola sign boston gonna bring world seri titl boston don valentin boston will win thi year boi talk sensit insecur toronto fan case viola made sign viola younger and left hand left hand starter toronto mike mike columbia edu
rec.sport.baseball	jewish basebal player articl apr asd scott asd scott barman wasn ron bloomberg yanke base hit design hitter jewish idea care point that blomberg plate appear design hitter and walk design hitter not not that hit design hitter bob vesterman
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rec.sport.baseball	jack morri articl apr newshub ariel yorku ariel yorku shawn luddington write hei valentin don boston world seri ring finger yah damn morri and hall fame futur didn earn last game blow world seri start toronto easili made sign morri clemen don give that shit boston had alomar olerud henk and ward toronto had rivera jack clark jeff reardon thing look last fall give credit credit due thi lavish prais morri make sick and don boston will win thi year won even top divis will bet don finish sixth will bet don finish and you give odd will bet that finish ahead blue jai valentin
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rec.sport.baseball	militello updat articl hydra gatech edu prism gatech edu michael andr mule write hei you yanke fan knock predict baltimor game oriol won you flood mailbox cri militello good militello good will notic skip that strong out not chanc columbu don you reli thi gui fourth not fourth starter thi brittl pitch staff room for rotat kei impress april abbott pitch perez back wickman pitch into rotat and hold spot outstand perform last time and kamieniecki isn poorli yanke find starter militello will anoth chanc wait line valentin
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rec.sport.baseball	zane rescu simmon mamatha devineni ratnam andrew cmu edu write simmon total idiot you game into season wait bit call name simmon readi told you otto had impress win last week otto latest debacl restor simmon reput back form had highest era starter sake not ted sake hope pitch era for rest season yeah expect that dave otto will bad pitcher and idea simmon want hand expect releas otto doesn turn thing pretti fast btw otto game score for that stinker point problem method sinc otto perform infinit bad and excruciatingli prolong tomlin and merc bit disappoint decent consider amount talent and matur shown season bit wors merc rooki year bit flukei aren you will give bat and tomlin start act gloomi walk lose end tonight that walk desrv contract didn walk time bomb stuff whatsoev and leagu final realiz thi won pretti rooki batter young surpris bit instant impact that excel perform hasn surpris doughti for that don fast doughti gui sign steve buechel move that threaten buri kevin young minor meanwhil not whether doughti simmon sign martin six year free agent season rooki pitcher wors expect cook twice rotat and you yike slaught come wasn contract extens last year increas immens ag basebal term half life year injuri prone catcher can longer year lonni smith eric davi sign for compar amount want dodger and felt had prove disastr don chanc for buc sign eric can hit can run can field didnt pirat eric davi injur davi healthi lonni smith wasn last year even lonnni smith get big hit thi year won asset look terribl base and field hei that skate smith packag deal acquir lonni for defens base run thi stage real weirdo manag big big sauer make forc argument favor revenu share concern pleas that idiot danforth prepar team for move tampa bai that goal team ownership don sauer get for make boss happi don hasn revenu share can comment alex cole fiasco stuff delet iron biggest accomplish simmon tenur get alex cole cheap bad that gave expans draft annoi sinc leyland push for retain jeff king unavoid meanwhil bigger accomplish simmon tenur get for john smilei not trade real prospect for veteran stretch last year draft let rooki show folei smith and candelaria acquir replac part mean that even fail hasn damag buc futur compensatori draft pick for bond forget pirat can rant and rave will not pick issu appeal thi mean that buc lost initi arbitr case never heard outcom thi will final verdict thi thi doesnt convinc that simmon and sauer idiot noth will not idiot thi case don blame doug danforth fact suspect doug danforth shown willing call shot exactli moment gun point feet btw wonder whether latest post get site imperson cum can thi drop short note jking
rec.sport.baseball	dodger question dodger shop harri team quest for left hand pitch taker person harri defens liabil and led team past year for hit into doubl plai leader sharperson show last year that chanc plai dai can job sharpi plai base dai improv defens wallach help tremend defens reed improv defens quit notic and effect pitch staff astacio and martinez bail recent start great defens plai martinez pitch into ninth game that lift past year astacio last in dai similar circumst dodger turn doubl plai and keep ball infield last year and piazza great defens thrown batter steal and pick wallach contribut improv defens offens aw and cost dodger run don bad current averag suspect will come thi slump davi and straw come dodger
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rec.sport.baseball	infield fly rule jrogoff scott skidmor edu jai rogoff write last infield fly question that puzzl and hasn address rule not deal thi situat infield fly not caught point can runner legal leav base fear doubl for advanc earli runner can leav base time ball caught tag isn caught doesn tag feel lucki your runner second can sprint for glori ball pop isn caught score run head for aaa effect infield fly make batter therebi remov forc runner base rule appli you stand second open and ball pop tim shippert shippert cco caltech edu stick thi damn quantum jump regret that had quantum theori schroding
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rec.sport.baseball	bond maddux giant close season newspap notesgroup etc had close and person last night stick watch giant hitter struggl last year barri swing impress quick and swing effortless even compar clark clark late interest bond hit maddux not barri reveng brave stroke pretti hit for rbi giant team lot surpris thing thi year addit bond good pitch and hitter swing clayton defens superb mcgee lead thi year manwar drive ball hope continu continu into june peopl sold that for real pitch for fresh start magowan baker etc wipe lot neg last year and will real factor help significantli improv last year joe loo loo cup
rec.sport.baseball	yanke bullpen buck showalt can win bob wickman pitch game life in yank lead buck decid kid and complet game wickman manag two out fun score and sudden and wickman can buck bullpen and farr get gui face last night jimmi kei pitch anoth long string game life thi gui get in yank lead thi time buck think don want repeat that fiasco wickman give bullpen work steve how era come into game left didn good farr come two run homer and royal win thi fourth time thi year that bullpen blown lead farr how twice togeth monteleon onc and even habyan onc deal final terrif start pitch sudden bullpen turn shit buck gonna and georg gonna thi continu happen alan
rec.sport.baseball	jewish basebal player bilinski
rec.sport.baseball	infield fly rule jrogoff scott skidmor edu jai rogoff write last infield fly question that puzzl and hasn address rule not deal thi situat infield fly declar and ball caught runner can tag and advanc risk fly ball infield fly not caught point can runner legal leav base fear doubl for advanc earli ball hit ground fielder touch ball hit ground enlighten appreci not understand thi question rule invok batter automat thi reliev runner forc advanc base ball not caught that isn situat runner base not forc base drop fly ball that ball caught can tag and run decid stai and ball drop can left base time eric smith eric netcom eric infoserv
rec.sport.baseball	astro back articl apr rosi edu rosi edu schwam david write articl hhwv cvk austin ibm marc yogi austin ibm marc stephenson write astro relief corp hold togeth doug jone changeup effect and xavier hernandez can effect passabl reason left hand and middl relief iffi tom eden expect joe boever setup man role injur and expans team acquisit houston thought that boever demand monei doug jone can lose touch cleveland star closer minor pretti short span understand boever and murphi consid expend club houston felt that posit fill number player art doug jone kei houston success anoth great year for houston challeng west argument murphi scare hell last year hand club boever put into aw lot game led leagu appear point viabl setup gui guess that not consid that crucial club can rememb two year ago unsuspect strength lower part order save club biggio and finlei aren job get base fill role rbi man bagwel had assum biggio and finlei job biggio concern sinc start season strong not that concern gui rel consist year and good reason declin injuri not expect come fine gui that not consist good that worrisom part even come side note you concern rumor year uniform talk that road uniform will blech tradit grei word houston written across chest not mistaken home uniform total elimin color orang shiver mclane favorit color red thi sound road uni pretti dull button pullov check uniform book had orang upset current unform dull and sound horribl uniform mid return not pretti houston had establish long precid wear ugliest uniform basebal and like astro pullov shirt astro stripe across shoulder and troubl make wear public can want that chang gee elimin orang will reupholst seat astro stripe section us gold and yellow level don number us pinstrip version astro cap and thought look good marc stephenson ibm aw advanc workstat system austin disclaim content thi post independ offici ibm posit internet marc austin ibm vnet marc ausvmq ibm
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rec.sport.baseball	ind sourc pick baerga alomar case close articl andi bgsu edu klopfen andi bgsu edu bruce klopfenstein write fester island mike fester write you make good for equal rate baerga higher final object sourc alomar great player baerga nice object sourc cite dad bigger your dad post you thi fuck idea that prefer alomar baerga jai lover and indian hater you that wrong hate jai and don care indian object alomar had offens year last year pick you admit reliabl object sourc you will note that rate alomar offens player chose baerga alomar defens that joke alomar not gold glover wors baerga defens valentin
rec.sport.baseball	defens averag base articl srgenprp craig srgenprp craig stelter write gaetti gari apolog don talk twin fan good player park not rememb complet not gaetti plai twin for world seri and note that lowest last two plai angel lot factor make player excel hate us dome not ideal nice comfort enjoi basebal and footbal even snow and rain craig compani for work not opinion that event that had impact gaetti career leg injuri perform drop radic twin and you stat offens and defens never come back pre injuri level brendan
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rec.sport.baseball	articl dxqp hoo new rich bnr bratt crchh nosubdomain nodomain john bratt write game length don thi valid statement not game last lot longer make sutcliff fisk ect factor into account russ anderson disclaim statement and not reflect employ twin jack morri in pitch run world seri mvp
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rec.sport.baseball	astro for real articl austin ibm marc yogi austin ibm marc stephenson write articl apr ccsvax sfasu edu millerwl ccsvax sfasu edu write think astro place place road agre lumberjack that place san diego lo angel san francisco cincinnati denver atlanta miami philadelphia york montreal pittsburgh chicago loui and point home face philli team that start not us overli enthusiast houston fan shouldn discourag hang lumberjack ahold that shift kei will obbas appar owner drayton mclain doesn excus item paper austin american statesman you read that wouldn injuri excus for lose that possibl account for don want owner that edg never that feel honest citi houston love owner brought basebal back houston kei acquisit player that houston area and want plai for astro don that peopl fear that mclane will meddl team admit that doesn lot basebal mclane businessman and doesn excus make valid point that injuri shouldn excus thi club depth bench thi season canadel can plai posit bass and jame solid outfield and can hit urib nice pitch staff legitim starter deal young houston team injuri shouldn plai big role threat bullpen jonesi troubl type starter thi season pressur pen david schwam univers houston jetson edu
rec.sport.baseball	homerun dswartz osf org dan swartzendrub write articl hpcc corp boell hpcc corp donald boell write impress hr dave kingman and infam moon raker drive rememb hit circa wriglei field that across street dead center field and hit hous roof whif lot connect watch favorit barri foot homer that bounc waveland and second floor window across street second kong drive that last bounc street that dead end park waveland mike timlin timlin spot colorado edu
rec.sport.baseball	surfeit offens articl innph jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo iglesia write articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write last year american leagu score run game for total run per game game tuesdai run game for total run per game and total game run per game and game big question signific thi return thi minor abber thought thought offens gener april rise weather warm and pitcher tire thi bigger abber norm don feel that weather issu thi year doesn cold spell north america make harder hit not mention make ball carri you not watch twin chicago cold spell snow week minnesota inch duluth last weekend put thing earli categori yup russ anderson disclaim statement and not reflect employ twin jack morri in pitch run world seri mvp
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rec.sport.baseball	sparki anderson get win tiger beat articl ragraca vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write tiger manag sparki anderson get career win moment ago tiger complet two game sweep oakland tiger stadium beat highlight oakland detroit game descript delet post game interview wjr radio detroit sparki anderson time emot manag career big moment for and tiger fan unanim happi for and number woof delet randi anoth post game interview larussa claim that sparki manag baseb explain that part histori sparki soften blow lose tiger tim timothi law snyder depart comput scienc reiss georgetown univers washington tim normal georgetown edu
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rec.sport.baseball	home for bosox articl apr scott skidmor edu jrogoff scott skidmor edu jai rogoff write agre happi stadium that comiskei park made for basebal unlik river vet riverfront etc not footbal park plai basebal multipurpos subject not forget shea design accommod met jet stadium box seat roller orient angl for basebal parallel for footbal not rfk olim stadium built year earlier nowadai don move seat back for exhibit game base lower deck us move metal pretti noisi bat dai jet jersei and good footbal stadium met saddl multipurpos stadium circular seat almost action met announc kiner murphi hype beauti shea stadium tipoff unbeauti vastli fix back late dump roger don you jet nois
rec.sport.baseball	dave kingman for hall fame articl apr new yale edu steve tomassi write basebal fan you don you deserv mean heck dave winfield hum consid for lee smith don give dave kingman chanc darrel evan yeah yeah hall fame take can eddi murrai and jeff reardon eddi murrai superb baseman for long time winfield produc consist for almsot year and excel occas dave kingman year darryl strawberri typic year met darrel evan lot hit homer that kong case sick and tire sick give hall fame consider player that todai standard margin you talk eddi murrai margin that year wasn margin for long time honestli ozzi smith and robin yount don belong shortstop that hung for long time big deal not smith hung for long time and field posit yount stop shortstop decad ago case you hadn notic two mvp award centerfield select huh stop hand honor liber save for gui deserv face player hall aren anywher goo gui you run isn will prestig hall fame anymor that case standard bad player hall and recent pick gener excel individu that steve garvei jack morri potenti candid absurd appar gee can gui even compar like futur hall famer kirbi puckett nolan ryan care stan musial anywher good babe ruth not belong hall gener had top major leaguer player come game will that top and pretti easi argu that smith yount evan winfield etc top dave kingman hand liabil career garvei hasn lot hof press don you mean for ryan morri that lot voter tend and morri good for decad and doesn lead mlb histori walk allow roger
rec.sport.baseball	jewish basebal player articl apr lafibm lafayett edu lafibm lafayett edu write wonder friend and talk dai and for reason come name jewish basebal player past and present weren come for sandi koufax stankowitz and john lowenstein can come sound pretti lame rack brain thi humor for your stankiewicz doubt koufax two jewish hof hank greenberg good player buddi myer johnni kling norm and larri sherri ken holtzman saul rogovin reulbach jewish major leaguer year ago articl track thi spy magazin articl entitl jew two book subject roger
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rec.sport.baseball	home for bosox mif psuvm psu edu write heard month back that red sox get dome stadium rel that move that and citi releas fund can verifi thi game bosox fan live boston area for year talk boston garden hockei basketbal sinc live dai last hurdl overcom and dai hurdl fan grumbl foxboro stadium call thi year for long preliminari propos for stadium local polit prevent time fashion will not ballpark lifetim max logan nashua
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rec.sport.baseball	dave kingman for hall fame articl apr princeton edu roger astro princeton edu roger lustig write for ryan morri that lot voter tend and morri good for decad and doesn lead mlb histori walk allow despit walk and lose ryan deserv hall fame imho base hitter strike record extra peopl andr dawson for hof name ken kubei read edit print thi text address kubei sgi express written consent disclaim usual major leagu basebal prohibit
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rec.sport.hockey	playoff predict stanlei cup champion vancouv canuck pittsburgh walk jack penguin will win cup stop not canuck predict patrick divis winner pittsburgh adam divis winner quebec montreal norri divis winner detroit smyth divis winner winnipeg wale confer champ pittsburgh campbel confer champ detroit stanlei cup champion pittsburgh canuck suck lose round compliment winnipeg and teemu selann pen almost unstopp mario lemieux
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl team leader apr ist ist dchhabra stpl ist deepak chhabra write implicitli you assum that goal score winnipeg selann ic can blame roger forward winnipeg lousi defens record put anoth john cullen terribl your excus for that powerplai point don count selann you compar cullen salami that that valid winnipeg such lousi defens team hell salami stand team bluelin puck end object game not feed selann win and feed selann not contribut meaning win knowledg hockei observ world agre that feed selann can score contribut meaning win excus jet plai hockei check bare allow goal score sound aw lot salami sound plai solid two game that friend finland claim capabl that wouldn chal leng for leagu lead goal plane challeng for you worri teemu you glenn anderson your team you compar timo anderson and cullen mike foligno don selann jet manag and object exercis not selann win hockei game score refer you comment finnish friend watch plai claim that can plai solid two game that thi style contribut conduc win don you selann grandstand goal suck you parad arm outstretch score goal you messiah had return nope didn busi watch foligno jump and goal don you compar foligno and honestli hadn read thi you us discrimin your think your contribut highli valu that you weren argument cordial roger maynard maynard ramsei laurentian
rec.sport.hockey	memoriam dan kelli and danni gallivan articl burk burkemac oshag edu burk edu burk write talk hockei broadcast give moment silenc rememb loui blue great dan kelli you heard late and earli cb us hockei night canada intermiss anoth recent deceas great danni gallivan canadien agre never forget dan kelli call plai plai canada cup master and danni gallivan will never replac even watch hnic rememb voic macinni iafrat hei gui name can shoot shot point blister blast thn had tribut gallivan issu death stori includ quot game appear risebrough pugnaci constru that check and will undoubtedli make visit box punit classic vintag gallivan sore miss two and that will dchhabra stpl ist
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion think each team mvp biggest surpris and biggest disappoint thi year observ and admittedli lack not had opportun team amount mvp valuabl player team term point and term leadership can win biggest surpris player rose expect player that rais level game height even that level doesn necessarili warrant allstar berth includ player outset season not even team plan biggest disappoint player expect pick deni savard montreal emphasi offenc brought demer shouldn savard team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint boston bruin oat sweenei weslei buffalo sabr lafontain mogilni audett jinx calgari flame robert reichel petit chicago blackhawk roenick ruuttu goulet detroit red wing yzerman chaisson kozlov edmonton oiler manson buchberg mellanbi hartford whaler sanderson cassel corriveau lo angel king robitail donnelli hrudei minnesota north star modano tinordi not expect back broten montreal canadien muller lebeau savard jersei devil steven semak maclean york island turgeon king final maroi york ranger messier kovalev bourqu ottawa senat maciv baker jelinek philadelphia flyer lindro recchi fedyk gallei eklund pittsburgh penguin lemieux tocchet even for jagr quebec nordiqu sakic ricci kovalenko pearson san jose shark kisio gaudreau malei loui blue shanahan joseph ron sutter tampa bai lighten bradlei bradlei creighton kasper toronto mapl leaf gilmour potvin ellett anderson vancouv canuck bure nedv final momesso washington capit hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jet selann selann druce mention top impress sit opinion fan nearer team word anywher toronto newspap bryan
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint washington capit hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jet selann selann druce weren two trade for each poetic justic
rec.sport.hockey	talk stick articl odin corp sgi dptom endor corp sgi tom arnold write you hockei plai fan finat wide rang aluminum stick for time plai piec lumbar that weigh alot and break think chang aluminum shaft break blade chang problem that such wide reang model and select that not can you post your suggest and experi aluminum stick differ model you dislik and brand had and aluminum stick christian and broke shaft halfwai season two year bought anoth canadian begin season and easton that friend get rid give game find that easton blade easier brand blade pretti interchang watch for dri bit firewood that store pass blade experi blade aluminum break regular stick broken aluminum shaft aluminum stick blade quickli chang even bench you downsid shaft won break you decid impal ciao mark thi and veget rick morani shop horror mark shoesmith shoe physic watstar uwaterloo
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl zcii ftn watserv uwaterloo smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write think each team mvp biggest surpris and biggest disappoint thi year observ and admittedli lack not had opportun team amount team mvp surpris disappoint edmonton oiler manson buchberg mellanbi sinc oiler didn win heck lot game not deserv and mvp can win suggest kelli buchberg dave manson had brutal year pick for star game notwithstand for biggest surpris that buchberg had higher expect thi year due breakthrough year for last year didn rais game suggest shjon podein callup cape breton year quit depth chart oiler stabl prospect made big impact team goal game and decent number for line player seemingli doom minor leagu oblivion oiler coach staff liken style john tonelli full time roster year for biggest disappoint you name player oiler dump for lousi product thi year nichol gilchrist tikkanen even shayn corson mellanbi isn andrew scott andrew idacom idacom telecom divis ext roman era consid
rec.sport.hockey	potvin goali mask stephen legg slegg kean uc munc write wtahc guard hockei week tsn yesterdai and had featur thi gui that lot mask for nhl goali talk made made and design that put etc thi part interest turn that mask custom fit goali face goali put face piec wood plastic hole that face and forehead show hair cover cap ey cover plastic wrap type materi and vaselin put goaltend face plaster spread cheek forehead and chin take minut dry suffici dri effect mold goali face thi us basi mask rest involv pad insid harden exterior fit cage etc etc john blue bruin demonstr procedur show exhibit coupl mask work mask for andi moog basic work current mask bear and mask for bob essensa cool jet logo chin and two fighter jet side forehead air brush back ground yeah essensa mask look good never talk held current leaf crest chin and awesom black panther forehead mask for felix potvin never thought heard that potvin for bet monei and awesom dchhabra stpl ist
rec.sport.hockey	ncaa final winner ktgeiss miavx ac muohio edu write lake state main final won post main
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl zcii ftn watserv uwaterloo smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint boston bruin oat sweenei weslei buffalo sabr lafontain mogilni audett jinx calgari flame robert reichel petit chicago blackhawk roenick ruuttu goulet chelio mvp chicago detroit red wing yzerman chaisson kozlov edmonton oiler manson buchberg mellanbi manson admiss had terribl year oiler don team mvp default craig mactavish shjon podein biggest surpris tikkanen biggest disappoint hartford whaler sanderson cassel corriveau lo angel king robitail donnelli hrudei minnesota north star modano tinordi not expect back broten tinordi back mid season last year and plai mvp montreal canadien muller lebeau savard jersei devil steven semak maclean york island turgeon king final maroi king had great year last year york ranger messier kovalev bourqu can kovalev surpris ottawa senat maciv baker jelinek philadelphia flyer lindro recchi fedyk gallei eklund fenc sit philli record eric and doubt soderstrom biggest surpris pittsburgh penguin lemieux tocchet even for jagr tocchet had point season philli mike bullard center shouldn that mario quebec nordiqu sakic ricci kovalenko pearson san jose shark kisio gaudreau malei loui blue shanahan joseph ron sutter joseph deserv mvp nod tampa bai lighten bradlei bradlei creighton kasper toronto mapl leaf gilmour potvin ellett anderson vancouv canuck bure nedv final momesso washington capit hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jet selann selann druce gerald
rec.sport.hockey	doubter hmm articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write and leaf make cream chees philadelphia side tomorrow night leaf will equal leaf team campbel confer cordial roger maynard maynard ramsei laurentian philadelphia make dust dead leaf roger you continu embarass your brash predict whitewash last place team grant philli pretti decent team cambel confer beaten last place team scott humphrei chemic engin univers tulsa hse vax utulsa edu bruin for cup opinion express individu not tulsa
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri coach corner summari april allan ualberta allan sullivan write begin lambast don cherri that sort cherri fan for admittedli stuff lightli harmless saturdai cross line good tast don entir articl wasn perfect and shot frank musil and alpo suhonen don note that musil wasn player didn score goal last year made fun name gui name dog food laxit meta musil thi can gee don tremend amount profession cbc bad foolish let thi nonsens make fun name bad that make asinin blanket statement european player resort make fun name sound idiot last week that teemu never make rock sock video drop glove subject realign don that like divis name that even leagu for quit time doesn confer and divis name mcfly name for coupl decad invit audienc name team wale quick quick you don don don wrong thi ron don don you your show for minut can stand you thi show for thi absolut hilari don argument basketbal and basebal brawl fairli good neglect mention fine that level nba case monei never for object don question gretzki wouldn for you chang your friend that game for chang game for your friend thi like
rec.sport.hockey	trade rumor montreal ottawa philli tsn sportsdesk report that ottawa sun report that montreal will send player million includ vin damphouss and brian bellow phillidelphia philli will send eric lindro ottawa and ottawa will give round pick montreal thi true will like depend whether not ottawa get choos can ottawa afford lindro salari person can philli give lindro for didn give that quebec trade not mention that lindro huge draw philli and that repres success futur for franchis ottawa take player montreal for pick stephen legg slegg kean uc munc
rec.sport.hockey	doubter hmm jason studsi msc edu jason hanson write articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei and leaf make cream chees philadelphia side tomorrow night leaf will equal not put mildli watch flyer demolish toronto last night realiz that matter good leaf line two decent line playoff and healthi felix potvin thoma darl cellar bb public access system darl cellar org geni darl facthq truth technolog
rec.sport.hockey	good for hockei bad for hockei jmd cbnewsm att joseph dake write articl ppdccinnb dev null phy psu edu stimpi dev null phy psu edu articl wxnf constel ecn uoknor edu mfoster alliant backbo prefer miami colon headlin flame blow colon kevin dineen plai for miami colon flyer fan resent you make kevin dineen butt your joke moment digest and you humour thoma darl cellar bb public access system darl cellar org geni darl facthq truth technolog
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl apr eng cam dscy eng cam yap write smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint washington capit hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jet selann selann druce weren two trade for each poetic justic and even washington patti bust rework that trade minut druce complet and utter bust goal daryl turner contact for winnipeg jet internet umturn ccu umanitoba fidonet rout tkachuk zhamnov sel nne shoot score jet win cup jet win cup essensa for vezina houslei for norri sel nne for calder
rec.sport.hockey	hei flyer fan you notic peopl net troubl comparit easi task spell nick name fair citi never knew that philadelphia becom philli philli spoken for you don clue spell you yeah that drug induc trade rumor don snider that stupid rumor you into mike keenan come back coach flyer mike mike cornel great peopl countri todai mac cwru edu fault sane monti python flyer stanlei cup brain hurt gumbi
rec.sport.hockey	adam divis race articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu breton mcrcim mcgill edu pierr breton write adam divis race interest thi year import data mind eventu tie for stand posit head head game quebec win montreal boston lead quebec two game remain montreal and boston ti game remain pierr breton aka fluid glacial pierr for purpos tie breaker you count game each citi quebec cannot possibl ahead montreal and game that count remain boston and quebec mean boston won pete clark rsh flyer contact
rec.sport.hockey	canadien anoth stanlei cup kind team montreal can cup easili problem that steal show and plai alon massiv teamwork slump long time hockei montreal canadien announc claud mouton di last tuesdai and rough work organ for year that excus hab manag good teamwork and into spirit problem win dean
rec.sport.hockey	doubter hmm blackhawk triumph walter ladwig thi weather cuckoo like net link armor divis submiss drbombai netlink ct vernacular world into gambl birdhous veloc cut up
rec.sport.hockey	canadien anoth stanlei cup pereira cam org dean pereira write kind team montreal can cup easili problem that steal show and plai alon massiv teamwork slump long time hockei montreal canadien announc claud mouton di last tuesdai and rough work organ for year that excus hab manag good teamwork and into spirit problem win agre roi good kick sometim that horribl loss capit last week yeeeech cup thi year richard rauser you idea you rauser sfu don worri that profession wni outlaw thi for live rememb matter you you banzai
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl ten year ago number european nhl roughli quarter into season number euro nhl team escal stat canadian american european note that number round and top player each team sourc vancouv sun point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn toronto detriot quebec and edmonton annoi number euro team get wors live vancouv and hear word pavel bure russian rocket will complet throw time canuck plai hope will cross check bure into plexiglassso hard carri stretcher not canuck fan begin stretcher remark carri point that resent nhl owner draft european canadian and american deni young canadian opportun plai north american leagu and european aren even hockei player hype thi european mystiqu sicken nhl owner canadian and american player will continu fight harder draft into leagu number euro nhl escal problem get wors for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin don want mine richard rauser you idea you rauser sfu don worri that profession wni outlaw thi for live rememb matter you you banzai
rec.sport.hockey	lindro will trade true rumor fact big deal eric lindro ottawa senat and senat mill montreal montreal get alexand daigl round pick senat philli get damphouss bellow patrick roi and draft pick shadow node gt org and you can real and you can transpar not and you can you eras
rec.sport.hockey	request for island mail list articl apr sifon mcgill bui mcgill bui don write articl xvf rpi edu wangr rpi edu write keep island mail list you add advanc ercu can add list rex count isl don bui mcgill count can you excit island beat ranger overtim last fridai isl
rec.sport.hockey	expans articl patrick apr blanco owlnet rice edu patrick blanco owlnet rice edu patrick humphrei write fri apr gmt vamwendt atla upei michael wendt albani york bois idaho coupl citi fair interest size and close team question albani ahl franchis capit district label bois forget chl made attempt that part countri franchis great fall and show folk that part pnw aren interest hockei hei patrick montana magic plai bill not great fall plh put two nhl expans team phoenix and houston assum whaler don pack and move meantim marc phoenix and houston marc foster contact for oklahoma citi blazer central hockei univers oklahoma geographi depart leagu adam cup internet mfoster geohub gcn uoknor edu champion mfoster alliant backbon uoknor edu chl mail list send email address
rec.sport.hockey	trade rumor montreal ottawa philli articl apr kean uc mun slegg kean uc mun write tsn sportsdesk report that ottawa sun report that montreal will send player million includ vin damphouss and brian bellow phillidelphia philli will send eric lindro ottawa and ottawa will give round pick montreal report for ottawa sun april fool joke start nordiqu bruin for exampl reimburs flyer for million paid nordiqu senat lindro and million flyer equival player you includ draft choic quebec and back report had real badli and real good laugh sport media chosen public thi utter nonsens thi true will like depend whether not ottawa get choos can ottawa afford lindro salari can you cannot possibl true for person can philli give lindro for didn give that quebec trade not mention that lindro huge draw philli and that repres success futur for franchis ottawa take player montreal for pick can that give such crap even remotest consider gerald
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard racist rauser write kind unaccept racist drivel delet and that find man absolut noth richard rauser you dishonour man caustic roger maynard maynard ramsei laurentian
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write stretcher remark carri point that resent nhl owner draft european canadian and american deni young canadian opportun plai north american leagu and european aren even hockei player hype thi european mystiqu sicken nhl owner canadian and american player will continu fight harder draft into leagu reason principl justic stand intim geograph and psycholog relat leagu give privileg plai european
rec.sport.hockey	playoff predict articl apr rose jack petrilli rose jack petrilli write stuff delet don understand peopl predict upset pittsburgh team won row come into playoff won practic game that want win year includ critic victori cap and hot bruin team gaahden team peak stronger previou stanlei cup winner mean can lose larg upset person team hard press win game seri pen and not pittsburgh fan agre heard tsn tonight you want pick you don you can and bruin fan thi year will doesn good time will lot delet randi randi coulman ari laboratori research assist depart comput scienc univers saskatchewan coulman usask saskatoon
rec.sport.hockey	good for hockei bad for hockei articl cellar org darl cellar org thoma darl write jmd cbnewsm att joseph dake write articl ppdccinnb dev null phy psu edu stimpi dev null phy psu edu articl wxnf constel ecn uoknor edu mfoster alliant backbo prefer miami colon headlin flame blow colon kevin dineen plai for miami colon flyer fan resent you make kevin dineen butt your joke moment digest and you humour thoma darl cellar bb public access system darl cellar org geni darl facthq truth technolog problem thread origon poster rectifi your misunderstand koz let cap
rec.sport.hockey	canadien anoth stanlei cup rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write pereira cam org dean pereira write kind team montreal can cup easili problem that steal show and plai alon massiv teamwork thi savard syndrom and talk deni not serg team will win squat like deni savard lineup slump long time hockei montreal canadien announc claud mouton di last tuesdai and rough work organ for year that excus hab manag good teamwork and into spirit problem win savard stai home and watch game agre roi good kick sometim that horribl loss capit last week yeeeech cup thi year sound cordial roger maynard maynard ramsei laurentian
rec.sport.hockey	trade rumor montreal ottawa philli tsn sportsdesk report that ottawa sun report tht montreal will send player million includ vin damphouss and brian bellow philldelphia philli will send eric lindro ottawa and ottawa will give round pick montreal person can philli give lindro for thi idiot post gretzki trade toronto listen asshol comment heard report sport new you notic skeptic comment sheesh thought thi group wasfor convers guess wrong stephen legg slegg kean uc munc
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write ten year ago number european nhl roughli quarter into season number euro nhl team escal stat canadian american european point european nhl sick you you absolut round player european descent and ship back start dunno lemieux hmmm sound french blood hei franc part europ send that euro blood boi back sheesh for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin don want mine don hard find nativ american nativ canadian for that matter disput your claim thi great contin our you anthropologist immigr sort you don that mogilni bure selann improv nhl not you understand game dan lyddi daniel cori berkelei edu univers california berkelei don plai hockei not brother deion sander
rec.sport.hockey	good for hockei bad for hockei prefer miami colon headlin flame blow colon kevin dineen plai for miami colon flyer fan resent you make kevin dineen butt your joke moment digest and you humour problem thread origon poster rectifi your misunderstand rectum skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn disagre nhl featur hockei talent world nation admit that player gretzki and messier trade canadian team can afford half that had canadian hockei leagu for canadian player for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin don want themon mine doesn matter russian finnish mexican albertan yorker black white korean martian plutoneon doesn matter can put leaf jersei can put puck stephen legg slegg kean uc munc
rec.sport.hockey	good for hockei bad for hockei articl hydra gatech edu gtd prism gatech edu hrivnak write prefer miami colon headlin flame blow colon kevin dineen plai for miami colon flyer fan resent you make kevin dineen butt your joke moment digest and you humour problem thread origon poster rectifi your misunderstand rectum bad joke that draw crohn mean groan crowd don bother appendix useless word advic you miami game stai food made natur case hockei hockei hockei joi joi joi stimpson kat stimpi dev null phy psu edu nagi physci psu edu nagi psu edu nagi crayola psu edu nagi love shack and yeah ggn psuvm psu edu bitnet
rec.sport.hockey	ncaa final winner ktgeiss miavx ac muohi write lake state main final won post main lssu terri
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl euro bash articl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn toronto detriot quebec and edmonton annoi number euro team get wors live vancouv and hear word pavel bure russian rocket will complet throw time canuck plai hope will cross check bure into plexiglassso hard carri stretcher not canuck fan begin stretcher remark carri point that resent nhl owner draft european canadian and american deni young canadian opportun plai north american leagu and european aren even hockei player hype thi european mystiqu sicken nhl owner canadian and american player will continu fight harder draft into leagu number euro nhl escal problem get wors for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin don want mine into european player bash french canadien yeah idea french speak canadien hockei leagu don want you crazi nhl true intern leagu and european deserv plai nhl and north american teemu for glad european nhl and hope nhl expand europ nice peopl come togeth form hockei team richard rauser you idea you rauser sfu don worri that profession wni outlaw thi for live rememb matter you you banzai darryl brook univers buffalo bill sabr and magic
rec.sport.hockey	stan fischler lester patrick award lunch bill torrei mention that option season presid miami team bob clark work for dinner clark that worst mistak philadelphia let mike keenan retrospect almost player realiz that keenan knew win rumour circul that keenan will back flyer nick polano sick scapegoat for schedul made for red wing bryan murrai approv gerri meehan and john muckler worri sabr prospect assist don lever that sabr share quebec dynasti emerg mighti duck declar that will not throw monei loos bui team oiler coach ted green remark that gui can fill tie domi skate can fill helmet senat andrew mcbain told secur guard chicago stadium warn stair lead locker room mcbain mouth season profession and tumbl entir steep flight gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	hockei hell articl ekb noos ecn purdu edu rgemeinh separ ecn purdu edu richard gemeinhart wrote articl mar ncsu edu fmsalvat eo ncsu edu frank mich salvator write origin york state and school north carolina don constantli gripe lack hockei wouldn you chose school south realiz gripe clemson student that hockei isn quit popular south carolina you chose school you excus choos school south hockei thi import you not luxuri decid colleg make hockei coveraag you want pittsburgh transplan home and coveraag suck sport south didn even show final game stanlei cup laast year happen put ktape delai and cut intermiss air you move you good bad and deal doesn mean thaat you can complain transplant parent greater hartford area greater cleveland ohio area thi not action choic hockei coverag regularli red wing and penguin explain part follow team todai cleveland you couldn even find hockei score clock new figur that didn wasn sport your parent didn move you idaho thing that coverag footbal basketbal and basebal patti
rec.sport.hockey	european russian hockei team address address hockei team locat czech slovak republ finland russia sweden inform find address appreci aik assat bryna budejovic chelabinsk djurgarden dynamo eskulap espoo farjestad frolunda hpk hifk ilv jyp jihlava jokerit jokp kalpa khimik kladno kristal lada leksand litvinov lukko lulea malmo metallurg modo olomouc pardubic red armi rogl skoda slovan soviet wing sparta spartak tp tappara trencin tuto vantaa vastera yaroslavl zlin dee dee franc ddf sgi
rec.sport.hockey	memoriam dan kelli and danni gallivan articl apr ist ist dchhabra stpl ist deepak chhabra write articl burk burkemac oshag edu burk edu burk write talk hockei broadcast give moment silenc rememb loui blue great dan kelli you heard late and earli cb us hockei night canada intermiss anoth recent deceas great danni gallivan canadien love dan kelli usa hook hockei back wasn spot top plai and wasn overli cute pipe that lusti barrel chest voic pipsqueak unlik fella rode into hockei mania coattail gretzki and boi bu final island sweep never forget night year oiler close home pandemonium smoke million sparkler long empti net goal end and dan kelli let crowd reaction stori for long second that voic bark din dave lumlei sew for edmonton sound stupid that earli for hockei memori will bring thrill sinc grown lot jade game sadden dan kelli pass good gui brian adam reno
rec.sport.hockey	playoff predict articl qhinnsm senat bedfellow mit edu boudreau athena mit edu carol boudreau write smyth thi toughest for call put person bia calgari lot depend win divis winnipeg will move into end season and place winner will clear advantag will lot easier build momentum team king plai king round will divis hurt pick divis winner vancouv canuck disagre you thi vancouv will bure and continu goal score slump won even make round king will make round plai pretti even that bad game minnesota saturdai calgari lo angel win smyth confer final wale confer trophi island and bruin will fight end island steam overtak bruin campbel confer trophi walk for vancouv defin not stanlei cup final island and vancouv island will noth left thi point and will succumb fairli easili canuck stanlei cup champion vancouv canuck disagre you pittsburg hat trick stanlei cup toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good hope you enjoi predict hope not correct calgari team win pittsburg that worth messag termin carol boudreau boudreau athena mit edu
rec.sport.hockey	ncaa hockei final haven post thi will honor main beat lssu milwauke saturdai night quit game main storm lead and look run main goal insid thirti second game lssu back end period cut lead lssu second domin plai board plai quickli ref run hold bar type game lssu score unansw goal lead end second look lssu walk game coach walsh main replac start goali dunham snow won game michigan snow prove aggress goali period second belong team main score unansw goal span minut minut mark score jim montgomeri tournament mvp and assist paul kariya last minut game bear highlight chang snow prove differ end minut and lssu goali pull snow duel lssu forward amaz set move snow won great end game thi year championship game sold last year month bradlei center hold approxim dougla peterson peterson pm pm ford you safeti laboratori depart driven ford motor compani
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu write ten year ago number european nhl roughli quarter into season number euro nhl team escal stat canadian american european note that number round and top player each team sourc vancouv sun point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn toronto detriot quebec and edmonton annoi number euro team get wors that expans creat job nhl team can afford import role player europ pick star will continu build team local player number euro nhl escal problem get wors for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin love european nhl divis can happen for time simpli not fan interest moment crucial market germani itali and franc sweden and finland can afford shell for ticket american canadian fan call minnesota north star effect scandinavian love hockei prefer watch local inexpens hockei nhl nation hockei leagu love idea pan european channel such eurosport bring million american network like never will pai don want mine richard rauser you idea you rauser sfu don worri that profession wni outlaw thi for live rememb matter you you banzai
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write articl zcii ftn watserv uwaterloo smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint philadelphia flyer lindro recchi fedyk gallei eklund fenc sit philli record eric and doubt soderstrom biggest surpris eric true fortun didn find recchi for game soderstrom absolut shutout game for rooki lot defens front runnerup gallei and fedyk score ton career gallei think paul coffei put score ahead defend and fedyk tail big time eklund big question mark thi year and come injuri point game not bad and recent huge factor win eklund never had point game season career product typic for qualifi disappoint surpris choic roussel strictli expect player never thought that had take goali biggest disappoint bill dineen thought that perfect coach for thi young team made bad move and imho cost game playoff thi year coach that think put eric lindro point power plai bright idea back coach school pete clark rsh flyer contact and mail list owner
rec.sport.hockey	flyer note flyer team that can beat team night show spectrum sundai night and domin mapl leaf rout shutout tommi soderstrom will credit for shutout bare broke sweat period flyer defens leaf mount attack injuri pell eklund dai dai bruis thigh roster move jason bowen ad lineup for nhl game jason flyer second pick round entri draft year lb game tri citi american had goal assist and pim plai left wing and defens plai defens thi game bobbi taylor that bill dineen plan us front andr faust return hershei left second period king game flew albani game ty goal bear win and plai for hershei sundai night line fedyk lindro recchi beranek brind amour dineen lomakin butsayev conroi acton brown gallei mcgill yushkevich cronin carkner hawgood bowen tommi soderstrom goal acton replac lomakin period game summari flyer plai thi night playoff thi year flyer hit that move creat score chanc score chanc snuf that leaf jason bowen made good plai nhl shift that almost creat goal had puck top left offens circl alon take shot found brind amour crash net side perfect pass and good shot across daren puppa bodi goal puppa made great save read plai garri gallei gave mapl leaf rank power plai chanc hook doug gilmour flyer lowli rank penalti kill unit almost flawless entir game and set tone thi kill mapl leaf almost noth long unscreen shot and defens swept rebound power plai flyer goal ugli plai rod brind amour gave puck greg hawgood point and drive net puppa made save and kick rebound into feet josef beranek and bob rous wrestl slot beranek stick puck and push dineen skate into slot circl and lift backhand puppa for flyer lead flyer pressur and puppa leaf keep flyer build lead for eventu thing settl and defens prevail each team occasion score chanc goali strong bowen start give lindro check corner lindro aveng hit foligno gave thought had chanc even score had foligno line center ic lean into and rode into center ic board problem that foligno board and mike mister mcgeough felt that warrant board call leaf couldn power plai flyer aggress for chang kill time run period recchi carri neutral zone and hand lindro approach leaf blue line crowd wendel clark and jami macoun lindro backhand pass recchi feet macoun that connect recchi clark check recchi puck macoun clear weak and mcgill had man point drove insid blue line macoun stick and deflect past goali shot flyer period flyer final chanc power plai dave andreychuk trip rod brind amour offens zone power plai flyer cheat puck pop into air and eric glove mcgeough thought hit stick head seat end ic that hit glove and replai confirm faceoff end time run advantag lindro found gallei pass across goal mouth puppa made save rebound kick back corner recchi pick pass eric crash circl and eric time past puppa assist recchi move past bobbi clark season second season total for flyer eric move time flyer rooki score point mike eastwood conroi give flyer anoth chanc power plai not pressur garri gallei end power plai slash not happen leaf had possess flyer smother leaf short power plai temper flare bowen and pearson rough minor keith acton bloodi face dave mcllwain dive and greg hawgood hook minor set replai show that hawgood stick stop make contact mcllwain long spun and fell flyer smother leaf power plai led dimitri yushkevich bowen made thunder hit box pearson berehowski perplex sloooowbal had puck point and trickl pass slot made flyer silli stick and gilmour side net soderstrom stone flyer pick thing offens kill didn home shot flyer flyer content goal lead period and decid that tommi want shutout work for flyer score chanc minut period couldn past puppa leaf tire lindro make road kill and temper flare each for doug gilmour and lindro unsportsmanlik conduct and each for glenn anderson and mcgill rough terri carkner knee penalti gilmour flyer smother leaf power plai minut mark dave andreychuk shot left circl that soderstrom puck roll side and luck turn net turn roll quarter inevit start lean second rod brind amour trip gilmour give leaf anoth chanc power plai advantag soderstrom stone andreychuk ly andreychuk rebound soderstrom net and straight and swept defensemen pressur soderstrom equal and preserv shutout recchi cross check ken baumgartn temper hot and start brawl punch thrown recchi initi minor krushelnyski baumgartn and lindro each rough minor rous and beranek express mutual dislik for each and each for slash set anoth mike eastwood shove ryan mcgill flyer zone battl for puck and mcgill ran stick across mcgill face flyer not happi that conroi pair berehowski and start throw punch upward held delight crowd each coupl punch head and stand penalti eastwood cross check game clark carkner each berehowski and conroi each fight major penalti for rest game for flyer had interest stting lead hawgood gallei and brind amour plai catch hawgood found dineen alon left circl control puck and blast past puppa that firework tommi soderstrom not face anoth shot puppa flyer board flyer shot flyer strongest game flyer sinc star break shutout number for soderstrom sinc ti for nhl plai fewer game belfour goali can rememb that ti winnipeg selann tuesdai night winnipeg flyer cannot elimin win loss coupl island win that night washington offici end flyer point season game last year had point game point last game improv that percentag point tragic number hold point game left tragic number for point watch ranger blow period lead home lose finish thi point flyer will win tie breaker catch island win tie breaker flyer and tie ranger crumbl stretch plai devil pen twice flyer and finish game cap guess place goal for team focu flyer team record watch eric lindro goal assist point rooki record club record goal club record point eric lindro dave poulin brian propp brian propp ron flockhart ron flockhart dave poulin eric lindro bill barber pell eklund mark recchi goal assist point club record goal club record point reggi leach bobbi clark tim kerr mark recchi tim kerr bobbi clark mark recchi bill barber rick macliesh bobbi clark bill barber rick macliesh reggi leach flyer career year player point prior season mark recchi penguin rod brind amour flyer garri gallei king brent fedyk red wing that for pete clark rsh flyer contact and mail list owner
rec.sport.hockey	strang phenomen nhl team leader articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write apr ist ist dchhabra stpl ist deepak chhabra write implicitli you assum that goal score winnipeg selann ic can blame roger forward winnipeg lousi defens record put anoth john cullen terribl your excus for that powerplai point don count selann you compar cullen salami that that valid winnipeg such lousi defens team hell salami stand team bluelin puck end thought that compar cullen teemu sel nne thought that salami sort sausag you dear roger salami ic plai hockei don you sure and quickli you that you talk rubbish time will true you care your leaf sure score refer you comment finnish friend watch plai claim that can plai solid two game that thi style contribut conduc win don you plai selann grandstand goal suck you parad arm outstretch score goal you messiah had return latest philli game leaf player didn parad philli crunch you two player can score cordial roger maynard maynard ramsei laurentian cordial hannu jet teemu teppo tappara canadien blackhawk
rec.sport.hockey	trade rumor montreal ottawa philli articl mweintr auvm american edu mweintr auvm american edu sprach slegg kean uc mun tsn sportsdesk report that ottawa sun report that montreal will send player million includ vin damphouss and brian bellow phillidelphia philli will send eric lindro ottawa and ottawa will give round pick montreal thi true will like depend whether not ottawa get choos can ottawa afford lindro salari person can philli give lindro for didn give that quebec trade not mention that lindro huge draw philli and that repres success futur for franchis ottawa take player montreal for pick stephen legg slegg kean uc munc two thing didn trade deadlin pass two week ago flyer never give lindro simpl that soderstrom and roussel hell flyer want pick older and slump roi byw come group player trade for wouldn team flyer cup mike rush marillion elp genesi king crimson dream theater beatl mike weintraub aka jvi irc courag convict mweintr american edu will drag dream jedi wave cerf net into exist american univers washington rush not limbaugh philadelphia flyer vancouv canuck philadelphia philli john runski jer psuvm
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl zcii ftn watserv uwaterloo smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write think each team mvp biggest surpris and biggest disappoint thi year observ and admittedli lack not had opportun team amount mvp valuabl player team term point and term leadership can win biggest surpris player rose expect player that rais level game height even that level doesn necessarili warrant allstar berth includ player outset season not even team plan biggest disappoint player expect pick deni savard montreal emphasi offenc brought demer shouldn savard team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint boston bruin oat sweenei weslei buffalo sabr lafontain mogilni audett jinx calgari flame robert reichel petit chicago blackhawk roenick ruuttu goulet detroit red wing yzerman chaisson kozlov edmonton oiler manson buchberg mellanbi hartford whaler sanderson cassel corriveau lo angel king robitail donnelli hrudei minnesota north star modano tinordi not expect back broten montreal canadien muller lebeau savard jersei devil steven semak maclean york island turgeon king final maroi york ranger messier kovalev bourqu ottawa senat maciv baker jelinek philadelphia flyer lindro recchi fedyk gallei eklund pittsburgh penguin lemieux tocchet even for jagr quebec nordiqu sakic ricci kovalenko pearson san jose shark kisio gaudreau malei loui blue shanahan joseph ron sutter tampa bai lighten bradlei bradlei creighton kasper toronto mapl leaf gilmour potvin ellett anderson vancouv canuck bure nedv final momesso washington capit hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jet selann selann druce mention top impress sit opinion fan nearer team word anywher toronto newspap bryan
rec.sport.hockey	realign nhl year reliabl sourc dream year ago and initi thought had take strong drug realiz begun you can leagu start move thi direct walt disnei confer anaheim mighti chipmunk franchis name chang each king hockei movi flame that san jose shark san diego bruin tijuana red wing detroit hockei team will follow car industri dalla star houston oiler texa ranger seattl canuck norm green confer alabama white hawk biloxi blue tampa bai lightn miami blade helsinki jet you heard start get us anthem montreal quebecoi will canada atlanta devil orlando penquin kei west island hartford whaler whaler will never move huh palm beach capit that anahaim team becom real begin rest messag futur will turn you into believ nhl will abandond ic rink expens cool rink subtrop and local ic nhl will becom roller skate hockei leagu that can creat public interest game local supporter can plai game back yard hope mind won disnei team anaheim will star aren move
rec.sport.hockey	nhl swede stat april score stat for swedish nhl player april mat sundin watch point season kent nilsson calgari flame mat naslund montreal canadien mat sundin quebec nordiqu hakan loob calgari flame kent nilsson calgari flame kent nilsson calgari flame goal season hakan loob calgari flame kent nilsson calgari flame kent nilsson calgari flame toma sandstrom king mat naslund montreal canadien mat sundin quebec nordiqu assist season kent nilsson calgari flame mat naslund montreal canadien borj salm toronto mapl leaf mat sundin quebec nordiqu kent nilsson calgari flame borj salm toronto mapl leaf thoma steen winnipeg jet ulf samuelsson watch penalti minut season ulf samuelsson pittsburgh penguin ulf samuelsson pittsburgh penguin ulf samuelsson pittsburgh penguin kjell samuelsson philadelphia flyer ulf samuelsson hartford whaler ulf samuelsson hartford whaler borj salm toronto mapl leaf name team born pt comment mat sundin que ulf dahlen min thoma steen win johan garpenlov sj fredrik olausson win toma sandstrom lak per erik eklund phi injur call johansson nickla lidstrom det tommi sjodin min ulf samuelsson pit mikael andersson tbl michael nyland hfd roger johansson cgy jan erixon nyr peter andersson nyr kjell samuelsson pit tommi albelin njd per djoo nyr binghampton nicla andersson que halifax thoma forslund cgy salt lake patrik carnback mon injur patrik kjellberg mon fredericton rank last week rank jersei number posit born goal assist pt point point score sinc last post list goali stat name team born tommi soderstrom phi re gaa sog pit chi tbl pit lak sj cgy edm nyr edm cgy bo det bo nyi hfd pit nyr ott mtl njd njd cgy van min det pit njd nyi min pit njd nyr que lak tor re result shot save game plai minut plai goal gaa goal averag sog shot goal save save percentag shutout assist staffan staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
rec.sport.hockey	spell error stanlei cup turgeo plymouth edu write read newspap tidbit that mention that grammat error stanlei cup thi newspap union leader manchest hampshir state that year that york island won cup print actual cup state york iland can verifi thi forgot exact year that thi supposedli occur die hard island fan thi reason ask paper not reliabl call union mi leader randi plymouth state colleg turgeo plymouth edu speak spell error cup pittsburgh made cup you funni peopl can spell pittsburgh warren arbogast darden visual commun mile univers virginia and
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write ten year ago number european nhl roughli quarter into season number euro nhl team escal stat canadian american european note that number round and top player each team sourc vancouv sun point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn toronto detriot quebec and edmonton annoi number euro team get wors answer simpl that you dislik russian live vancouv and hear word pavel bure russian rocket will complet throw time canuck plai hope will cross check bure into plexiglass hard carri stretcher not canuck fan begin stretcher remark carri point that resent nhl owner draft european canadian and american deni young canadian opportun plai north american leagu and european aren even hockei player hype thi european mystiqu sicken nhl owner canadian and american player will continu fight harder draft into leagu number euro nhl escal problem get wors and canadian hockei todai european dont that european influenc leagu bad for game mean you plai dai fight and hockei imho canadian hockei had posit curv develop sinc game brute beauti for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin you don finn don want mine bad almost you northamerican origin europ hmmm and kind name rauser doesn sound canadian analyz team itali franc and great britain you find that lot player canadian doubl citizenship richard rauser you idea you rauser sfu don worri that profession wni outlaw thi for live rememb matter you you banzai toma nopp tel ellemtel telecom system lab fax box email toma nopp eua ericsson alvsjo snailmail
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rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write ten year ago number european nhl roughli quarter into season number euro nhl team escal stat canadian american european note that number round and top player each team sourc vancouv sun point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn toronto detriot quebec and edmonton annoi number euro team get wors come canada borshevski sound canadian smith crawl back into hole you crawl nba doesn care basketbal player major leagu basebal doesn give damn basebal player cuba that canada immin danger overtaken primari supplier player sweden finland czech republ and slovakia rel small countri and cannot produc player greater rate produc and potenti influx soviet union sever blunt system raid and starv for financ and will decad two recov and becom real threat and will maintain slow increas canada continu suppli top hockei player world for forseeabl futur european hockei market hockei right place soccer two predomin world sport and sinc soccer essenti bore unlik hockei live vancouv and hear word pavel bure russian rocket will complet throw time canuck plai hope will cross check bure into plexiglassso hard carri stretcher not canuck fan begin stretcher remark carri point that resent nhl owner draft european canadian and american deni young canadian opportun plai north american leagu and european aren even hockei player hype thi european mystiqu sicken nhl owner canadian and american player will continu fight harder draft into leagu number euro nhl escal problem get wors canadian threat european number will satur haven and time russia come onlin nhl world leagu and will team stock and job for canadian hockei player team percentag canadian will declin american not european for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin don want mine crawl into hole and die gerald
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl apr pasteur berkelei edu daniel cori berkelei edu daniel lyddi write you you absolut round player european descent and ship back start dunno lemieux hmmm sound french blood hei franc part europ send that euro blood boi back don you american studi histori french settl north america earli british lemieux can trace back north american heritag back lot gerald
rec.sport.hockey	lindro will trade articl apr node hub org shadow node hub org jai chu write true rumor fact big deal eric lindro ottawa senat and senat mill montreal montreal get alexand daigl round pick senat philli get damphouss bellow patrick roi and draft pick anoth person incap ration thought gerald
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write ten year ago number european nhl roughli quarter into season number euro nhl team escal stat canadian american european xenophob trash delet for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin don want mine you extrem guess you start pack you nativ north american thi isn your contin lori
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl result for game plai nhl result for game plai stand patrick adam norri smyth xpit ymon ydet yvan ybo ychi ycal yque ytor yla nyi ybuf stl ywin nyr har min edm phl ott clinch divis titl clinch playoff berth hartford whaler york ranger period har cunneyworth janssen greig nyr grave turcott zubov period nyr kovalev turcott grave har sanderson cassel nyr amont andersson vanbiesbrouck period nyr messier amont andersson har sanderson cassel har nyland ladouceur har verbeek zalapski powerplai opportun whaler ranger shot goal whaler ranger hartford whaler gosselin shot save york ranger vanbiesbrouck shot save att spike
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rec.sport.hockey	usenet playoff pool mention rule post will town dai entri deadlin won respond your messag april grate repost rule and instruct for playoff pool week for benefit miss two post andrew scott andrew idacom idacom telecom oper ext roman era consid
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn toronto detriot quebec and edmonton annoi number euro team get wors sick watch american name gretzki etc name you accept sit bull and danc wolv north america you jyri
rec.sport.hockey	tp will stai top mighti mightier tp finnish champion get stronger heard new tp acquir finnish hockei superstar jere lehtinen kiekko espoo rumour erik kakko reipa and marko jantunen kalpa trade tp thi player finnish olymp team that jantunen draft nhl btw juha nen centr hpk draft jet last year reach top level finnish centr had good playoff game tp hannu jet teemu teppo tappara canadien blackhawk
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rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl apr morgan scairn fsg write mvp surpris disappoint york ranger messier kovalev bourqu gartner zubov bourqu bourqu penguin laugh head time think ranger and thi loser scott cairn email scairn fsg fusion system group usmail broadwai york york usa york standard disclaim appli hope futur american thought warlik viciou peopl bet lot high school pick american mascot jack handei care phil like lot pittsburgh didn score lot you stat last year work butt speed that creat opportun offens zone that allow pen util potenti haven pai attent thi year can you object injuri hasn and offens isn not speed will for you creat opportun didn score thought monei offer ranger high and pen guess joseph stiehm articl apr morgan scairn fsg write mvp surpris disappoint york ranger messier kovalev bourqu gartner zubov bourqu bourqu penguin laugh head time think ranger and thi loser scott cairn email scairn fsg fusion system group usmail broadwai york york usa york standard disclaim appli hope futur american thought warlik viciou peopl bet lot high school pick american mascot jack handei care phil like lot pittsburgh didn score lot you stat last year work butt speed that creat opportun offens zone that allow pen util potenti haven pai attent thi year can you object injuri hasn and offens isn not speed will for you creat opportun didn score thought monei offer ranger high and pen guess joseph stiehm
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl apr adob snichol adob sherri nichol write articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write crawl back into hole you crawl nba doesn care basketbal player major leagu basebal doesn give damn basebal player cuba that mlb perfectli will player cuba defect sort situat us russian czech etc hockei player polit situat countri chang major leagu basebal told blue jai and expo not sign oscar linar that name canada not restrict cuban that and major leagu team told canadian team that unhappi expo blue jai thi cuban player not defect plai canada and plai home game for expo and blue jai troubl gerald
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl apr morgan scairn fsg write messier joke thi year bad back not withstand plai reason ranger will golf coupl week gartner choic gui work butt game kovalev surpris plai adequ bad defens kovalev talent player plai for roger nielson roger player can for and can skate straight line and ic dudlei and nielson two coach bad leagu talent mogilni and kovalev and not turn into bure and selann predict preseason perhap pull alex mogilni coupl year and surpris zubov wasn expect make minor thi season and ow number injuri prove pleasant surpris muckler coach and kovalev will mogilni troubl ranger that neil smith and player messier kovalev and grave school take game oppon and attack hire coach interest rope dope strategi you want roger nielson world your coach you don and mark messier dog can learn trick loser and you don wast your draft pick player kovalev gerald gerald
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write major leagu basebal told blue jai and expo not sign oscar linar that name linar not defect point mlb requir that player defect canada not restrict cuban that and major leagu team told canadian team that unhappi expo blue jai thi surpris long pool talent not access team mlb won team sign perfectli reason cuban player not defect plai canada and plai home game for expo and blue jai troubl that mlb won sherri nichol snichol adob
rec.sport.hockey	lindro will trade apr node hub org jai chu write true rumor fact big deal eric lindro ottawa senat and senat mill montreal montreal get alexand daigl round pick senat philli get damphouss bellow patrick roi and draft pick sheesh rumor mill strike assum thi true question thi montreal give san jose shark pick and daigl tim irvin
rec.sport.hockey	sad dai for hockei articl finn abyss west sun dvb ick david van beveren write sinc penalti fall into class penalti foul illeg contact player stick your bodi stick you you for game unsportsmanlik contact intent foul thi inlclud current flavour rough fight and board you two you thrown game and fine technic foul bad mouth ref player coach penalti shot award two and you thrown game penalti shot for technic team get penalti period oppos team get penalti shot for addit end period victim get two shot act shoot foul ocur rule great that your rule complic will normal averag fan count foul player and even rememb name player order determin drew foul and will sub posit power center sit slot blue puck come and shoot defenseman and point defenseman final stat and worst penalti shot taker sinc almost ic will get foul ulf samuellson and tie domi miss penalti shot crazi keith keller ranger quaker kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ time you head platter cmdr benjamin sisko
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion assist orion oac uci edu assist coordin site write articl zcii ftn watserv uwaterloo smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write mvp biggest biggest supris disappoint lo angel king robitail donnelli hrudei chosen alex zhitnik for biggest supris expect that becom great defenseman don knew that thi impress rooki year speed skate abil and puck control except watch king agre marti mcsore and warren rychel run close second and surpris peopl not note knickl biggest surpris even person not rate biggest disappoint carson thi unfair sinc expect second biggest disappoint melros adolesc handl goaltend problem put hrudei bench for month stupid not contribut team come slump mvp sure robitail dvb
rec.sport.hockey	name for stanlei cup articl apr sol ctr columbia edu phoenix startid ctr columbia edu ali lemer write posit name for unabl rememb complic hockei terminolog name name centr gui middl left wing gui left wing gui defenceman gui back goaltend gui net cage mother call refere gui whistl linesman gui arm coach gui suit head gui puck black thing red line line middl blue line line side creas place front gui net faceoff circl round thing stand slot point point accompani term bench place sit penalti box place sit bad bettman gui wrong sport stein gui charg isn name for individu award and stuff presid cup presid cup trophi regular season team hart winner valuabl player chosen gui middl gui gui left gui back and gui net typic gui middl and gui left and norri winner gui back gui award for even not gui middl left nauseum keith keller ranger quaker kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ time you head platter cmdr benjamin sisko
rec.sport.hockey	paul kuryia and canadian world team heard last night that paul kuryia will plai for canadian world hockei team thi year local radio station friend familti call congratul invit meekli paul told host that didn want thi morn heard that destin plai line lindro and recci unsur thi plai thi arena draft
rec.sport.hockey	jet fan hrivnak tabaracci articl apr wam umd edu giant wam umd edu thundarr write hrivnak and tabarraci plai you prefer and tyler larter happen you answer will hrivnak choic obviou skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	jet fan hrivnak tabaracci hrivnak and tabarraci plai you prefer and tyler larter happen you answer will hrivnak choic obviou you tabaracci plai two start and relief effort for beaupr look mighti sharp don forget shutout goal period plai hrivnak give credit david poil for chang thi trade hopefulli tabaracci start isl tonight haven jinx frank salvator fmsalvat eo ncsu edu
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion bryan smale smale healthi uwaterloo write think each team mvp biggest surpris and biggest disappoint thi year team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint hartford whaler sanderson cassel corriveau vote fwiw team mvp pat verbeek fan goal mouth feed goal terribl start and examplari team captain tough coupl season honor mention nick kypreo and mark janssen unsung hero categori mvp kypreo goal pim hardest work player team and janssen underr defens center and checker guess place greater emphasi hard work skill determin biggest surpris geoff sanderson had goal and point last season center move left wing and put goal and point whaler record power plai goal come wing faceoff circl garden spot honor mention andrew cassel and terri yake kiddi quartet sanderson poulin nyland and petrovicki attract attent cassel and will score close point thi season quit nice assum role number center team and work sanderson yake bounc minor for number season and will put goal and point thi season yake sanderson start perform offens onc convert center wing lefti sanderson left wing and righti yake side biggest disappoint hand john cullen cullen had disaster point season last year full season trade cullen start season summer back surgeri and fell flat face sinc spent whaler career flat ass and whine cullen score point game clubhous malcont command powerplai success percentag sanderson and sulk town worst year contract had year left run give round draft pick mapl leaf offer hartford honor mention steve konroyd subpar sign year contract eric weinrich show flash compet plai poorli jim mckenzi hockei player two season ago and frank pietrangelo plai sean burk for extend period and make number start row real live hartford whaler season ticket holder steveg cadkei
rec.sport.hockey	mapl leaf updat for leaf fan concern player slate for return thursdai winnipeg toronto game peter zezel john cullen mark osborn and dave ellett question return thursdai regular player injur includ dimitri mironov back for saturdai home game flyer
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rec.sport.hockey	canadien anoth stanlei cup articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard wrote rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write pereira cam org dean pereira write kind team montreal can cup easili problem that steal show and plai alon massiv teamwork thi savard syndrom and talk deni not serg team will win squat like deni savard lineup savard stai home and watch game life simpl savard not plai last game and plai crap montreal problem run deeper savard and mouton hope can act togeth playoff line game come pittsburgh like us for playoff hope can forget nice weather and plai hockei paul valin tel bell northern research email pavalin bnr box station ottawa ontario canada opinion
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn toronto detriot quebec and edmonton annoi number euro team get wors gee you winnipeg top that list regular european live vancouv and hear word pavel bure russian rocket will complet throw time canuck plai hope will cross check bure into plexiglassso hard carri stretcher not canuck fan begin jet fan sometim that bure knock silli noth game stretcher remark carri point that resent nhl owner draft european canadian and american deni young canadian opportun plai north american leagu and european aren even hockei player hype thi european mystiqu sicken nhl owner canadian and american player will continu fight harder draft into leagu case owner give gener manag order come draft find player that team will win stanlei cup whether that player kinderslei saskatchewan chelyabinsk russia believ player draft you call nhl leagu refer canadian player doesn belong belong owner owner can want canadian content rule enforc canada doubt that enforc that cfl for footbal refer didn even push import ratio rule sacromento goldmin increas competit for elit posit case make player yeah and european plai lower level profession hockei north america that plai ahl ihl that nhl team primari farm club you don hear european plai chl echl secondari farm team ihl jet russian player moncton don european wayn team plenti posit for hockei player north america number euro nhl escal problem get wors for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin don want mine favour nhl leagu for premier player world grown european plai team and player world hedberg nilsson and sjoberg sel nne zhamnov and olausson and and come wouldn daryl turner contact for winnipeg jet internet umturn ccu umanitoba fidonet rout tkachuk zhamnov sel nne shoot score jet win cup jet win cup essensa for vezina houslei for norri sel nne for calder
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl dunno lemieux hmmm sound french blood hei franc part europ send that euro blood boi back don you american studi histori french settl north america earli british lemieux can trace back north american heritag back lot friendli jibe mode don you canadian understand sarcasm sometim reader decid that read ludicr that mean opposit kinda toronto win cup post yeah and cow can fly friendli jibe mode geez gerald read rec flamefest hockei pen great didn that mow quebec patrick
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write crawl back into hole you crawl nba doesn care basketbal player major leagu basebal doesn give damn basebal player cuba that mlb perfectli will player cuba defect sort situat us russian czech etc hockei player polit situat countri chang sherri nichol snichol adob
rec.sport.hockey	tp will stai top articl apr tnclu tele nokia hahietanen tnclu tele nokia write mighti mightier tp finnish champion get stronger isn btw juha nen centr hpk draft jet last year reach top level finnish centr had good playoff game tp nen draft choic jet assum thi nen that plai for kiekko espoo round pick jet entri draft notic summari that nen had begun plai playoff daryl turner contact for winnipeg jet internet umturn ccu umanitoba fidonet rout tkachuk zhamnov sel nne shoot score jet win cup jet win cup essensa for vezina houslei for norri sel nne for calder
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chi van nyr min det win edm ott que edm win tor har stl tor har nyi min stl win van nyi pit stl season will begin and end playoff will begin and end nhl regular season game will plai nhl citi season citi milwauke sacramento cleveland indianapoli phoenix miami oklahoma citi dalla atlanta cincinnati provid peoria hamilton saskatoon halifax chart show number game team game each nyi nyr phi pit bo buf har mon ott que chi det min stl tor cal edm van win valeri hammerl hammerl acsu buffalo edu post thi year version nhl schedul program for nhl game for exampl user can find game plai date find ten game plai team copi can obtain mail hammerl acsu buffalo edu neutral site schedul tue calgari minnesota saskatoon tue ottawa toronto hamilton tue chicago washington indianapoli tue toronto quebec hamilton wed buffalo jersei hamilton tue lo angel chicago milwauke tue montreal lo angel phoenix wed tampa bai york ranger miami sun edmonton york island oklahoma citi tue york island loui dalla mon san jose 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discuss continu import interest will list for two post boston bruin boston legisl and develop propos boston garden final agre deal that put seat million project back track finish septemb wing daniel maroi will sidelin indefinit surgeri repair herniat disc back defenseman glen murrai provid american hockei leagu buffalo sabr puck acquir left winger bob errei pittsburgh for defenseman mike ramsei veteran buffalo sabr broadcast ted darl will induct into club hall fame sundai april darl join expans sabr team plai plai announc televis and radio ill forc booth last season recal forward viktor gordiouk and doug macdonald rochest american hockei leagu calgari flame acquir veteran wing greg paslawski philadelphia for futur consider recal center todd harkin and left winger toma forslund salt lake citi intern hockei leagu chicago blackhawk million privat financ unit center schedul open august will home nba chicago bull and nhl chicago blackhawk stadium own entiti control two team owner appar not made decis whether chicago stadium will raze for park space onc facil locat directli across street open suspend defenseman craig muni indefinit for fail report trade edmonton detroit red wing acquir defenseman steve konroyd hartford for sixth round draft pick annnounc sign wing joe frederick pick nation hockei leagu entri draft two contrit hockei fan return stolen michigan sport hall fame plaqu honor detroit red wing great gordi how bronz plaqu stolen year ago cobo hall detroit site michigan hall fame edmonton oiler forward esa tikkanen york ranger for center doug weight trade defenseman craig muni chicago for forward mike hudson nhl commission gari bettman edmonton oiler leas northland coliseum improv team surviv citi edmonton northland profit agenc set citi administ exhibit facil includ coliseum oiler owner peter pocklington call leas northland horrend and threaten move team doesn deal make monei park concess build advertis seat coliseum lucr privat box that produc signific revenu for owner announc center kevin todd will not surgeri will miss remaind season separ shoulder hartford whaler defenseman steve konroyd detroit for sixth round draft pick acquir left winger robert kron and round draft pick vancouv for left winger murrai craven and round draft pick state connecticut will begin negoti bui civic center citi effort financi struggl hartford whaler franchis citi lo angel king center john mcintyr york ranger for defenseman mark hardi and ottawa round draft pick minnesota north star call call canada dalla citi council approv agreement minnesota north star that will bring nhl club reunion arena season defenseman mark tinordi captain north star will sidelin rest season includ postseason game north star plai broken collarbon acquir defenseman mark osiecki winnipeg for ninth and round draft pick ad defenseman travi richard univers minnesota employe file sexual harass suit minnesota north star owner norman green karen kari dziedzic green execut assist claim green instruct wear cosmet describ outfit hot and sexi onc slap hand eat and humili grab hand and rub client hair minnesota north star will move dalla thi season announc that season ticket reserv made for home reunion arena capac met center commiss told minnesota north star that club kei return midnight last home game club move dalla for season club pai unpaid interest team late rent payment for made earlier thi month and instruct not properti such scoreboard and zamboni ic surfac machin derian hatcher game misconduct penalti rescind nhl allow minnesota defenseman plai north star last two regular season game hatcher penalti fight end loss loui sundai april leagu didn rescind game misconduct penalti shane churla receiv star recal center cal mcgowan top minor leagu club kalamazoo mich replac churla montreal canadien acquir defenseman rob ramag tampa bai for minor leagu defensemen eric charron and alain cote and futur consider jersei devil berni nichol publicli apolog for critic refere deni morel devil loss buffalo sabr nichol eject morel for man fight late second period that game and afterward nichol call morel homer and embarrass refere associ york island trade wing daniel maroi boston for condit draft choic york ranger obtain forward esa tikkanen edmonton for center doug weight acquir left winger mike hartman tampa bai acquir center john mcintyr lo angel for defenseman mark hardi and ottawa round draft pick defenseman brian leetch will undergo addit surgeri ankl broke skate fall and not expect plai thi season leetch suffer broken ankl march victori san jose team slip ici patch pavement get taxi cab front apart announc that defenseman jame patrick will requir surgeri herniat disc back and will not plai thi season return goaltend corei hirsch binghamton american hockei leagu ottawa senat ottawa senat receiv ahead build seat palladium propos locat nearbi kanata ont project cost million construct will postpon season year schedul ottawa senat lost consecut nhl road game tie washington capit for road loss row assign left wing martin amour haven american hockei leagu philadelphia flyer open date spectrum push back fall formal groundbreak postpon indefinit trade veteran wing greg paslawski calgari flame for futur consider pittsburgh penguin trade left winger bob errei buffalo for defenseman mike ramsei reacquir defenseman peter taglianetti tampa bai lightn for round draft choic revolutionari comic san diego agre destroi copi mario lemieux comic book settlement pittsburgh penguin trademark infring lawsuit penguin su februari charg that sport star mario lemieux comic infring team logo and uniform regist trademark quebec nordiqu loui blue loui blue center ron sutter will miss rest season result separ shoulder san jose shark san jose shark announc that ticket price will increas for season move cow palac into million arena san jose recal defenseman tom pederson kansa citi intern hockei leagu reach agreement principl left wing alexand cherbayev tampa bai lightn two investor group pois build sport arena downtown tampa delai plagu compani that hold leas tampa bai lightn bow tampa coliseum inc leas nation hockei leagu team develop entertain and sport arena tampa stadium unabl rais monei for project left winger mike hartman york ranger for center randi gilhen defenseman peter taglianetti pittsburgh for round draft choic defenseman rob ramag montreal canadien for minor leagu defensemen eric charron and alain cote and futur consider manon rheaum start appear goal for atlanta knight impress for coach chanc backup goali for anoth minor leagu team season rheaum femal plai profession hockei stop shot and gave six goal cincinnati cyclon saturdai night april game coach gene ubriaco rheaum perform compet for goali spot louisvil icehawk east coast hockei leagu season knight and icehawk minor leagu club tampa bai lightn season come close rumor swirl that tampa bai lightn becom atlanta lightn minnesota lightn rumor lightn gener manag phil esposito espn report sundai april that lightn plai seat expo hall explor opportun move atlanta minneapoli esposito truth report disappoint espn irrespons comment esposito substanc rumor rumor swirl for past two year move tampa bai present discuss plan build arena toronto mapl leaf defenseman matt martin help main win ncaa hockei championship gave final year elig and sign contract toronto mapl leaf vancouv canuck vancouv canuck clear last hurdl effort build stadium vancouv council green light for million dollar complex will seat thousand peopl and will adjoin offic tower will built viaduct place vancouv site prepar will begin thi summer complet date fall trade left winger robert kron and round draft pick hartford for left winger murrai craven and round draft pick obtain defenseman dan ratushni winnipeg for ninth round draft pick sign wing brian lonei multi year contract and assign hamilton american hockei leagu ahl washington capit cap trade goaltend jim hrivnak and futur consider winnipeg for goaltend rick tabaracci winnipeg jet winnipeg jet allow econom assist order smyth divis result expans defenseman mark osiecki minnesota for ninth and round draft pick goaltend rick tabaracci washington for jim hrivnak and futur consider defenseman dan ratushni vancouv for ninth round draft pick winnipeg teemu selann broke nhl rooki point record jet rooki ti record point set peter stastni quebec goal season and move ahead assist loss toronto fort wayn komet told winnipeg that jet will minor leagu affili moncton american hockei leagu report jet move player moncton fort wayn season expans new nation hockei leagu announc that expans anaheim and south florida franchis will join leagu for season disnei and nation hockei leagu offici announc mondai march that mighti duck anaheim disnei expans team will ic fall michael eisner chairman and chief execut offic walt disnei mighti duck will plai pond anaheim sport arena disnei flagship theme park arena construct and will complet june pond seat team meet leagu requir that sell season ticket for final grant nhl membership anaheim name jack ferreira gener manag and pierr gauthier assist gener manag veteran nhl scout godfrei hire midwest region scout for anaheim mighti duck philadelphia flyer senior vice presid bobbi clark name mondai march post gener manag for miami nhl expans team franchis owner wayn huizenga made announc miami arena month award franchis huizenga plan team ic time for begin nhl season octob realign eastern confer atlant divis washington capit jersei devil york island york ranger philadelphia flyer south florida tampa bai lightn northeast divis boston bruin buffalo sabr hartford whaler montreal canadien ottawa senat pittsburgh penguin quebec nordiqu western confer central divis chicago blackhawk dalla star detroit red wing loui blue toronto mapl leaf winnipeg jet pacif divis anaheim mighti duck calgari flame edmonton oiler lo angel king san jose shark vancouv canuck schedul eastern confer team will plai game each six division oppon game each team confer divis and two game each western confer member western confer team will plai six game each division oppon game each six team confer divis and two game each eastern confer club playoff system will confer base team meet team round and matchup will base point divis champion second place seed each confer and assur home ic two playoff round seri will rotat matchup central and pacif team seri will rotat reduc travel case team regular season point will choos whether start seri home draft new term expans draft will held june each exist club will allow protect goaltend defensemen and forward recent expans draft allow team protect two goali and not make distinct forward and defensemen year pro will exempt draft two year exempt team had last season san jose tampa bai and ottawa will allow exempt second year pro each team will lose two player maximum loss goaltend and maximum loss defenseman except that team lose goaltend can longer lose defenseman end phase draft two franchis will goaltend defensemen and forward for total player second phase will conduct san jose tampa bai and ottawa will select two player each roster two team ottawa tampa bai and san jose will guarante prioriti draft select draft long worst record anaheim and miami will choos lower fourth and expans franchis will move draft san jose tampa bai ottawa not finish bottom posit two team will pick and second entri draft finish two team not plai season prioriti draft posit owner announc draft will hartford and draft winnipeg draft schedul for boston delai construct arena requir draft move leagu new disput nhl owner and player resolv differ salari arbitr procedur clear for hear nhlpa execut director bob goodenow didn disclos issu resolv prior stick point had manner statist us arbitr hear olymp nhl announc februari will not make profession player compet winter olymp leagu leadership lo angel king owner bruce mcnall succeed blackhawk owner bill wirtz chairman nhl power board governor appoint join mcnall execut committe ron corei montreal canadien mike ilitch detroit red wing peter pocklington edmonton oiler and snider philadelphia flyer gari bettman vice presid and gener counsel nation basketbal associ name commission nation hockei leagu fridai decemb miscellan henri richard berni parent and billi smith name special ambassador for stanlei cup centenni season long celebr nhl championship trophi trio will leagu wide function such star game and stanlei cup playoff nation hockei leagu name john turner prime minist canada serv board director hockei hall fame and museum and nomin scotti morrison david taylor larri bertuzzi robert bundi walter bush murrai costello jim gregori lesli kaplan lawrenc meyer and alan tonk serv board take offic march nhl presid gil stein individu elect hockei hall fame builder categori buffalo sabr chairman board and presid seymour knox iii vancouv canuck chairman frank griffith and veteran canadian hockei execut fred page nhl linesman john amico select hall fame refere linesman categori nhl game carri tsn and cbc canada espn check your local list nation hockei leagu struck condit year deal espn televis profession hockei season seri agreement grant espn exclus nation coverag nhl start season and cabl network option extend term that domest agreement for year deal grant espn exclus intern televis distribut exclud canada for year leagu contract call for espn televis regular season game domest audienc thi come season and playoff game includ entir stanlei cup final major espn regular season game will televis fridai night nhl commission gari bettman announc wednesdai march that abc sport will televis stanlei cup playoff game start month abc will carri playoff game network arrang espn rightshold for nhl game espn will provid product game abc own espn april wale confer game quarterfin april campbel confer game quarterfin wale confer game semifin campbel confer game semifin wale confer game final award winner star team hall fame inducte and draft pick award winner hart trophi mvp mark messier nyr vezina trophi goali patrick roi mon norri trophi defenseman brian leetch nyr calder trophi rooki pavel bure van selk trophi defens forward gui carbonneau mon ladi byng trophi sportsmanship wayn gretzki jack adam award coach pat quinn van bill masterton memori trophi persever mark fitzpatrick nyi king clanci trophi contribut commun rai bourqu bo jen trophi lowest team gaa patrick roi mon art ross trophi score point mario lemieux pit hall famer player frank boucher and red dutton and execut bruce mcnall and gil stein thursdai name winner lester patrick award for outstand servic hockei unit state award select each year committe repres wide cross section hockei commun star team patrick roi mon rai bourqu bo brian leetch nyr mark messier nyr brett hull stl kevin steven pit star game starter vote fan wale confer mario lemieux pittsburgh jaromir jagr pittsburgh kevin steven pittsburgh rai bourqu boston brian leetch ranger patrick roi montreal campbel confer steve yzerman detroit brett hull loui pavel bure vancouv chri chelio chicago paul coffei lo angel belfour chicago rooki team gilbert dionn mon toni amont nyr kevin todd vladimir konstantinov det nickla lidstrom det dominik hasek chi hall fame inducte marcel dionn bob gainei lanni mcdonald and woodi dumart round entri draft player po team roman hamrlik alexei yashin ott mike rathj todd warrin que dariu kaspara nyi cori stillman cal ryan sittler phi brandon converi tor robert petrovicki har andrei nazarov david cooper buf sergei krivokrasov chi joe hulbig edm sergei gonchar jason bowen phi dmitri kvartalnov bo sergei bautin win jason smith martin straka pit david wilki mon libor polasek van curti bowen det grant marshal tor peter ferraro nyr nhl rule game eject for instig fight helmet option grab oppon stick defens move penalti dive draw penalti penalti coincident minor team full strength result plai high stick waist cba ratifi nhlpa term septemb septemb licens and endors player exclus right individu person includ like salari arbitr rule negoti salari arbitr jointli agre free agenc compens scale reduc for player ag and group iii free agent ag reduc player complet profession season minor nhl and last year contract didn earn averag nhl salari can elect onc career becom unrestrict free agent end contract salari and award player playoff fund increas minimum salari insur disabl coverag dental broad base medic improv increas life insur for player coverag for wive pension improv pension contribut per player per year depend player number nhl game agreement languag guarante continu secur plan negoti regular season increas game for game plai neutral site arrang and revenu share roster skater and goaltend for entri draft reduc round supplement draft select for each playoff team joint studi group examin financi state nhl issu report assist prepar for negoti nhl free agenc categori effect group player ag and player choic player equal draft pick compens for compens club match offer club for equal club match offer equal can consist player draft pick and cash agre two club submit arbitr group player ag player choic player equal draft pick compens for equal club match offer for compens schedul round pick player sign for year two round pick player sign for million year extra round pick for each addit year group iii player ag and club get compens match offer receiv match club make qualifi offer player salari prior season group player consid defect free agent group player year experi salari below nhl averag can choos free agent compens onc career nhl minor leagu nhl minor leagu intern hockei leagu american hockei leagu and east coast hockei leagu inform central hockei leagu and american hockei associ can found section ihl contact ihl rob springal rg ultb isc rit edu atlanta knight scott clarkson prism gatech edu cincinnati cyclon joseph comb jgcomb uceng edu cleveland lumberjack rob gasser csrag uoft utoledo edu wayn komet rob gasser csrag uoft utoledo edu milwauke admir jason hanson jason studsi msc edu salt lake golden eagl roland behunin behunin logdi aflc mil intern hockei leagu grant franchis la vega group head henri sticknei for season intern hockei leagu name bob chase voic fort wayn komet leagu broadcast year ihl annual award effect year will name chase honor honor ihl jim loria kansa citi blade market director year shelli gartner phoenix roadrunn merchandis manag year and steve doherti kalamazoo wing public relat director year atlanta knight intern hockei leagu announc thursdai april that manon rheaum will start goaltend home game saturdai night april cincinnati cyclon rheaum will becom femal start regular season profession hockei game fort wayn announc winger scott gruhl will retir end intern hockei leagu season gruhl will join muskegon furi coloni leagu fort wayn komet told winnipeg that jet will minor leagu affili moncton american hockei leagu report jet move player moncton fort 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rec.sport.hockey	minnesota recal mcgowan derian hatcher game misconduct penalti rescind nhl allow minnesota defenseman plai north star last two regular season game hatcher penalti fight end loss loui sundai april leagu didn rescind game misconduct penalti shane churla receiv star recal center cal mcgowan top minor leagu club kalamazoo mich replac churla courtesi washington time line servic tape tuesdai chicago minnesota game contact term will favor can tape tonight minnesota detroit game contact thi quit import onc will make worth your troubl rec sport hockei contact for minnesota north star and maintain faq file mitch mcgowan kalamazoo wing minnesota north star hamlet washington edu kilda saint toronto blue jai
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rec.sport.hockey	canuck clinch bure score playoff goal previou articl steveg cadkei steve gallichio ron apland apland mala write quinn will resign head coach thi secret and hopefulli will bring game spatial and institut team disciplin plai keenan give and coach and quinn upstair presid impress that rick lei line for canuck job quinn step bench lei coach canuck organ bring back harri neal witti freenet carleton rachel holm
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rec.sport.hockey	washington beat pitt articl kkq acsu buffalo edu ubvmsd buffalo edu ralph ambrosio write articl apr mprgate mpr tasallot galaxi mpr mathew tasalloti write penguin patrick will win cup hardest task that divis that washington will definitli throw rench into penguin plan canuck fan not that chanc thi year washington team that can stop penguin win stanlei cup impress that penguin had cap number for season mathew tasalloti mpr teltech vancouv canada ask interject opinion matter concern island playoff come jet for and last year capit had pen number game playoff john horstmann
rec.sport.hockey	hockei bai area not don sport channel and despar for playoff action cannuck sport bar bai peninsula that will show hockei game for redwood citi and mountain view lot greg
rec.sport.hockey	goali mask poll updat goali mask poll sinc peopl gave decid give pt for favorit pt for for you mail respons gave pt feel free send your favorit you vote mask you will receiv vote for player not nhl mention team plai for date result player team pt vote belfour chicago andi moog boston curti joseph loui brian hayward san jose grant fuhr buffalo ron hextal quebec clint malarchuk buffalo manon rheaum atlanta ihl john casei minnesota rick wamslei toronto retir that vote and come skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
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rec.sport.hockey	stop predict articl apr ncsu edu cdkaupan eo ncsu edu carl david kaupang write annoi predict net care you will win stop predict cap win cup that word doktor kultur ottawa citizen rememb unhook nitrou oxid you leav dentist chair jet for onc playoff beg you paul badertsch uwovax uwo
rec.sport.hockey	stan fischler keenan stuff articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write oiler will charg eat press room year articl toronto paper thi month ago globe and mail ethic journalist even sport journalist not accept free meal team case point articl make admittdli sport report ethic standard gerald
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rec.sport.hockey	predict classic playoff year anoth predict for great playoff you laugh your conveni adam divis hate name divisoin bo buf bo hot mon que mon thi will seri watch round bo mon mon thi bit bias feel canadien will smarten and start plai plai two month ago bench savard patrick divis pit njd pit wont complet cake walk lump cake batter nyi thi will not excit seri imo pitt pit washington will tire nyi norri divis chi stl chi stl will lucki game tor det tor thi mon que will anoth intens seri watch chi tor tor potvin will settl nice thi point smyth divis van win van teemu great vancouv team cal lak cal gretzki great calgari fire for pun not van cal van thi will great seri van proven will not lie and beat wale confer final pittsburgh montreal montreal montreal imho team that chanc pittsburgh campbel confer final vancouv toronto toronto potvin will seri mvp stanlei cup final toronto mapl leaf montreal canadien classic stanlei cup final matchup dream come true montreal win stanlei cup game doubl overtim roi and potvin spectacular seri and share seri mvp that vincent damphous net game winner brilliant pass brian bellow canadien star deni savard watch buddi plai owner box nurs that splinter thumb left disabl list sinc game playoff awww shuck yee haa poof and wake that predict hope and dream come true and you can stop laugh anytim paul die hard hab fan live die hard leaf fan
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rec.sport.hockey	predict classic playoff year articl apr dal paul dal write anoth predict for great playoff you laugh your conveni adam divis hate name divisoin bo buf bo hot mon que mon thi will seri watch round bo mon mon thi bit bias feel canadien will smarten and start plai plai two month ago bench savard patrick divis pit njd pit wont complet cake walk lump cake batter nyi thi will not excit seri imo pitt pit washington will tire nyi norri divis chi stl chi stl will lucki game tor det tor thi mon que will anoth intens seri watch chi tor tor potvin will settl nice thi point smyth divis van win van teemu great vancouv team cal lak cal gretzki great calgari fire for pun not van cal van thi will great seri van proven will not lie and beat wale confer final pittsburgh montreal montreal montreal imho team that chanc pittsburgh campbel confer final vancouv toronto toronto potvin will seri mvp stanlei cup final toronto mapl leaf montreal canadien classic stanlei cup final matchup dream come true montreal win stanlei cup game doubl overtim roi and potvin spectacular seri and share seri mvp that vincent damphous net game winner brilliant pass brian bellow canadien star deni savard watch buddi plai owner box nurs that splinter thumb left disabl list sinc game playoff awww shuck yee haa poof and wake that predict hope and dream come true and you can stop laugh anytim paul die hard hab fan live die hard leaf fan comment thi you call thi classic playoff year and you don includ chicago detroit seri mon boston fan and even realiz that chicago detroit game excit game watch chri downec rpi edu
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rec.sport.hockey	aargh great hockei coverag devil articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare wrote lock wait for tape delai start nice that devil start playoff network televis bad that playoff game preempt wabc for earli season yanke basebal game win texa ranger and delai tape delai anoth half hour for ballgam highlight you that bad bowl green and abc toledo cabl decid total pre empt game tape delai noth for stupid telethon hockei big had listen penguin win car radio park lot can thank for strong radio mile pittsburgh recept isn good can pick middl dai georg
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rec.sport.hockey	blue steal game hawk blue score two power plai goal second period and beat chicago blackhawk sundai afternoon chicago stadium brendan shanahan ti game and brett hull score game winner second jeff brown and denni felsner score blue goal brian noonan had hat trick for hawk had good goaltend belfour blue goali curti joseph solid stretch preserv blue lead hawk strong period outshoot blue and take lead noonan goal interfer penalti rick zombo had expir keith brown intercept clear attempt blue line and pass puck steve larmer circl larmer fire long slap shot and noonan deflect puck joseph pad goal blue pick intens and outshoot hawk period jeff brown ti game second nelson emerson broke left side craig muni and push puck across slot belfour plai pass and shovel board brown collect and slap belfour back goal two minut hawk power plai belfour stop rich sutter short hand break chri chelio pick puck and pass jeremi roenick carri wing and found open noonan nice pass across slot noonan fire past joseph for lead noonan complet hat trick increas hawk lead stephan matteau made nice pass board noonan beat stephan quintal drive net joseph had chanc noonan deflect puck net denni felsner reduc blue deficit pick rebound basil mcrae slap shot slot jannei set mcrae for shot and puck sail wide net and bounc end board felsner felsner stick rebound into partial open net blue outshot hawk second period blackhawk lead stephan matteau pick high stick penalti second into power plai steve smith call for slash give blue advantag for blue didn wast time brendan shanahan score second into two man advantag tie game jannei found hull slot and hull fire rocket belfour jeff brown collect rebound and pass shanahan left circl shanahan beat belfour sharp angl second hull score game winner for blue nelson emerson broke wing carri puck net two hawk defensemen emerson made nice pass uncheck hull slot and hull beat belfour put blue hawk had chanc tie game final minut joseph made brilliant save prevent hawk score stop troi murrai point blank creas left game blue kill late hawk power plai rich sutter clear puck hand trickl goal line blue held win game hawk oushot blue period total shot goal for each team blue special team excel game blue kill hawk power plai and score twice power plai chanc blue rank special team leagu rank penalti kill and power plai game carri live abc time nhl game star game shown network televis sinc cb carri game stanlei cup final seri continu wednesdai chicago and fridai and sundai loui box score blue blackhawk blue chicago period chi noonan larmer brown penalti shanahan stl hold zombo stl interfer murphi chi high stick grimson chi board zombo stl hold second period stl brown shanahan emerson chi ppg noonan roenick chelio chi noonan matteau sutter stl felsner mcrae jannei penalti baron stl interfer wilson stl trip period stl ppg shanahan brown hull stl ppg hull emerson brown penalti shanahan stl rough matteau chi high stick smith chi slash baron stl rough shot goal blue chicago power plai opportun loui chicago goaltend loui joseph shot save chicago belfour refere kerri fraser linesmen kevin collin brian murphi joe ashkar contact for blue saint loui jca cec wustl edu blue
rec.sport.hockey	tie breaker isl and devil lrw rpi edu wangr vccsouth rpi edu rex wang write not great math can two team ahv point record man retard can peopl put win tie breaker don smilei figur poster dog wordprocessor couldn smarter thi not great math cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
rec.sport.hockey	aargh great hockei coverag devil articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare lock wait for tape delai start thi gui bit disappoint lemieux two tocchet mullen tippett and jagr buzz friend forgot had score mullen goal score lemieux two tocchet tippett jagr funni part jagr part chalantli process score ask thi question abc coverag wasn bad scale give game chi loui area nice that devil start playoff network televis bad that playoff game preempt wabc for earli season yanke basebal game that stupid complain televis network even pirat game penguin game thi time year and pittsburgh sure rais hell win texa ranger and delai tape delai anoth half hour for ballgam highlight texa good start pull thi year whoop that belong rec sport basebal robbi pgh penguin come natur patrick divis semi stanlei cup you wait for penguin devil champion possibl don you penguin lead straight win strong resembl
rec.sport.hockey	place articl vzhivov cunew vzhivov superior carleton vladimir zhivov rap psuvm psu edu robbi rap psuvm psu edu write red wing mapl leaf mapl leaf comment kind tough reli yzerman team main weapon great palyer dino choke put burden steve even potvin had hell season and goaltend you playoff for great prognost you rememb playoff histori dino show playoff great sleeper pick pool don forget fedorov top player nhl imho and coffei stanlei cup ring activ player correct wrong wing cakewalk yeah come dino never cap patrick divis choke game last year and swept second round two year ago rare make divis canuck jet canuck comment vancouv selann king and domi for enforc winnipeg game canuck number that canuck plai shit winnipeg can win thi vancouv will manag slip island can pull vancouv winnipeg number doesn matter flame king flame comment game good king battl flame back run and won memori last year season gretzki tear surround king king battl king never plai game differ battl and pull calgari pull robbi pgh penguin come natur patrick divis semi stanlei cup you wait for penguin devil champion possibl don you penguin lead straight win strong resembl
rec.sport.hockey	daigl kariya hear daigl will pick year word kariya plai enter draft
rec.sport.hockey	umass big east hockei underwai mission reviv hockei umass underwai saturdai afternoon press confer held mullin center arena boston colleg asst coach joe mallen award year year contract head coach for umass minutemen mallen viabl pick for posit jeff jackson lake superior and second shawn walsh umain previou offer for posit rumor offer asst coach brown rpi and head coach ahl springfield indian umass hockei disband due financi constraint that had undermin team posit period year late novemb last year million mullin sport center open year construct deadlin minutemen slate plai independ div div iii schedul thi upcom winter offici enter hockei east for winter season mallen comment player recruit strategi potenti team candid for minutemen expect that will leverag insid contact england bai state and europ draw competit top ic player for univers umass slate hockei scholarship for upcom fall semest expect hear hear sourc jim doyl univ massachusett dept comput scienc staff programm puma dcc cnet email doyl gaia umass edu offic lederl grc room tel home blackberri tel amherst
rec.sport.hockey	difficult penguin ticket articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu dmonei magnu ac ohio state edu dean monei write subject line terribl difficult ticket penguin game that playoff easi find scalper igloo sell ticket scalper ticket arena you pai buck extra you can find street messag board street front hyatt even gate you bui monei you pai and regular season you find for face below you wait game time pick earlier rick
rec.sport.hockey	tie breaker isl and devil lrw rpi edu wangr vccsouth rpi edu rex wang write peopl stupid tie breaker record can peopl sooooo stuppid put win list for tie breaker tie breaker can record man thought peopl thi net good hockei not great math can two team ahv point record man retard can peopl put win tie breaker not devil and island point for exampl anoth team had thi record had point total island and devil record simpl arithmet and involv calculu john comput scienc graduat pretend mathematican
rec.sport.hockey	bruin canadien articl apr rose jack petrilli rose jack petrilli write april richard amc richard wernick wrote boston you sinden find screw even thi good boston team fire suter trade vital star admittedli last trade good long luck run and start make esposito for ratel type trade thi trade bad recal ratel and middleton make pretti good centr wing combin and bruin brad park deal and lost vadnai and trade bruin two final and semi final lost montreal you end doubt keep esposito made differ seri not for ranger year boston for that matter riston riston
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team milwauke put jason not wisconsin close rel live port washington minut north milwauke visit citi regularli and bradlei time admir plai and ncaa hockei championship beauti build pettit and citi promot facil for hockei north america will happen admir milwauke acquir franchis word team will move green bai and plai brown counti arena onc admir independ franchis and peopl milwauke support game crowd anywher number nhl team island hartford jersei enviou night fact that citi support minor leagu franchis glamour nhl club affili testimoni amount hockei interest exist citi sincer martin hill box sault ste mari home lssu laker attend figur for ihl and milwauke stack ihl citi such atlanta phoenix san diego cleveland and cincinnati repli
rec.sport.hockey	div and conf name maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write edu jason gibson write can live that made playoff format chang chang divis and confer name annoi batman tsn last night that chang name make game easier for occasion fan follow meant that chang name will make game easier for american hockei citi follow don friend had hard time team each divis even minim amount exposur game person quickli pick thi noth wrong make game easier for american follow fan merrier and even you dislik occasion fan chanc that fan will becom fanat glad that name chang for anoth reason name patrick smyth norri adam and campbel name call builder game thi type think that put stein hall fame thi absolut nonsens real builder game richard morenz how conach orr etc you name divis peopl name divis peopl deserv that you incorrect roger patrick smyth and adam plai coach leagu front offic type build leagu not great player agre that name name name and peopl troubl name that not easili process fan chang name that easili process reason idea can peopl arena door uncompl onc will realiz great game hockei and can teach abotu histori game histori name can put succinctli aforemen tion us game hockei make monei can you imagin pocklington divis ballard divis green divis not want ballard divis that owner asshol nhl manag peopl asshol fallaci conn smyth for exampl classi individu heard isn point profession hockei make monei for involv includ player you that player not made monei due and player that make game great not peopl put ic name divis manag peopl player ad insult form lesser recognit injuri monei deserv evan pritchard number depend hockei pool epritcha psych uiuc edu
rec.sport.hockey	aargh great hockei coverag devil robbi rap psuvm psu edu write gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare lock wait for tape delai start thi gui bit disappoint call thi penguin that thing stand radio game that hour devil wabc nice soni watchman paranoid robbi don judg geograph coordin jet nordiqu final gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	div and conf name pdgi ljl new cso uiuc edu epritcha psych uiuc edu evan pritchard write that you incorrect roger patrick smyth and adam plai coach leagu front offic type build leagu not great player punch imlach contribut coach and greater combin name divis trophi smyth and norri and bunch honour pure power owner owner build leagu whether develop game anoth question altogeth honour contribut leagu evolut honour contribut glori sport agre that name name name and peopl troubl name that not easili process fan chang name that easili process reason idea can peopl arena door uncompl onc will realiz great game hockei and can teach abotu histori game can disagre you histori name can put succinctli aforemen tion us game hockei make monei can you imagin pocklington divis ballard divis green divis not want ballard divis that owner asshol nhl manag peopl asshol fallaci conn smyth for exampl classi individu heard you heard major definit asshol origin phrase you can beat allei you can beat ic that idea hockei you chanc that don cherri classi individu isn point profession hockei make monei for involv includ player you that player not made monei due and player that make game great not peopl put ic name divis manag peopl player ad insult form lesser recognit injuri monei deserv monei issu irrelev point that agre and that player that make game great and not peopl put ic exactli true name divis and trophi smyth and bunch kind nepot that put stein hall fame thought that thi nonsens cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
rec.sport.hockey	div and conf name epritcha psych uiuc edu evan pritchard write not want ballard divis that owner asshol nhl manag peopl asshol fallaci conn smyth for exampl classi individu heard depend you mean classi heard classi harold ballard differ that back almost owner that comparison read book net worth for view smyth and norri and adam and campbel isn point profession hockei make monei for involv includ player you that player not made monei due and player that make game great not peopl put ic name divis manag peopl player ad insult form lesser recognit injuri monei deserv even specif roger and previous that not peopl made leagu great divis confer etc name morenz vezina how orr etc peopl make great nhl chosen immort men rich men made game great chri ronei mail chri ronei sfu
rec.sport.hockey	numer nothing articl apr freenet carleton freenet carleton bob wilson write mario averag point per game antigretz gretzki averag pt game mario project game point beat wayn record check your inform post gretzki record pt game game point game gretzki total project point pitt win percentag mario game point thi record mtl had year canadien had percentag pt game bruin had win percentag canadien had percentag record bob wilson freenet carleton joe ashkar contact for blue saint loui jca cec wustl edu blue
rec.sport.hockey	nhl playoff stat score for updat playoff updat score stat summari mail mmilitzo skidmor edu subject stat
rec.sport.hockey	ranger name keenan coach clarinew clarinet upi write clari sport hockei york upi mike keenan nhl coach histori wear despit impress penchant for win come citi that embrac victor becom fan thi new come sinc thursdai effect rob island and devil airtim sport talk show almost that sampl fact playoff almost don exist ranger fan call wfan york midnight sport talk mix furi thi season and orgasm keenan hire summar keenan winner and will give broadwai bum busi pursu cup chase chicago blackhawk cut last tie keenan forc gener manag novemb had chicago coach duti year ago and thirst for power increas pressur beleagu ranger neil smith thi will interest combin watch keenan paid monei put and shut and coach advic player move will listen close lot big player move will happen rememb that keenan rid deni savard countri club dai keenan left chicago couldn coach smith indic market fear that and couldn that happen paramount had smith earlier sign support and offer keenan big monei put and shut back januari ranger not head for golf keenan take demor team that offer chanc fashion anoth reclam project highest salari command nhl coach ranger own gulf western bestow keenan unpreced million year deal mike long time messier won two canada cup togeth final time miss element win stanlei cup don person year ago even year ago chang and better experi keenan statement reaffirm that mark messier will team captain time move ranger coach month prepar for nhl draft june and neil smith not back trade happi pattern smith bargain keenan advic unload phil bourqu for tie domi gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	abc canada abc coverag king flame game suppos shown cbc overrid abc coverag flip abc comment commerci even question thi real abc coverag cbc black abc coverag for comment cbc had great chanc for doubl header toronto detroit and vancouv winnipeg todai that east get leaf and west vancouv game thought that show godfath
rec.sport.hockey	colleg hockei star game detail shriner star game that featur senior colleg hockei game orono main you repli
rec.sport.hockey	correct playoff predict read thi you your predict correct patrick divis you you midnight mondai time you correct game pittsburgh jersei york island washington patrick divis winner wale confer winner stanlei cup winner forward correct richard madison rrmadiso napier uwaterloo pen isl devil cap pen devil
rec.sport.hockey	you smoke wasr predict classic playoff year norri divis tor det tor thi mon que will anoth intens seri watch chi tor tor potvin will settl nice thi point vancouv toronto toronto potvin will seri mvp thi kill stanlei cup final toronto mapl leaf montreal canadien classic stanlei cup final matchup dream come true montreal win stanlei cup game doubl overtim roi and potvin spectacular seri and share seri mvp that vincent damphous net game winner brilliant pass brian bellow canadien star deni savard watch buddi plai owner box nurs that splinter thumb left disabl list sinc game playoff awww shuck paul die hard hab fan live die hard leaf fan speak die hard that read thi di hard laugh toronto cup final planet heard team detroit morgani you spell idiot name chicago espn not even close chicago will definatli win norri divis playoff team close pick chicago don easi choic god chicago wing and won divis point two close toronto good team for leaf beat detroit doubt even aren chicago even amazingli past hawk face vancouv and lose for hab reach final forget even devot wing fan will watch penguin easili peat cup winner lemieux jagr tocchet steven and barrasso deal detroit wait til year hei paul pick and opinnion leaf final yeah make walk toronto ticket and that mile walk ryan detroit red wing forgotten team wing hope penguin earli
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain mist ranger soap box captain nemesi ier coach roger nebula bad blood bath and high hope turn coach klean commissar keenan procedur hockei team us select captain includ select coach staff player vote for captain appoint manag and subject captain trade resign stripe titl season team captain trivia appreci mike
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain apr ann arbor applicon slb coll ann arbor applicon slb michael collingridg write and subject captain trade resign stripe titl season leaf kind comic second imlach era darryl sittler call cancer team tore sweater and for leaf didn captain sittler eventu end philli and promis philli captainci and sittler friend bobbi clark sittler trade detroit rick vaiv leaf captain for awhil slept dai and captainci trade chicago doug carpent tenur leaf coach attempt kiss ass sulk gari leeman leaf brad marsh give leeman leeman wouldn and give back marsh wouldn stori rememb captain concern mel bridgman late senat philadelphia bobbi clark arguabl great captain time bump statu plai coach and had relinquish captainci bridgman captain report ask flyer bridgman captain sinc clark undisput leader player report told that bridgman charg make that soap dispens shower full cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
rec.sport.hockey	tie breaker isl and devil articl lrw rpi edu wangr rpi edu write peopl stupid tie breaker record can peopl sooooo stuppid put win list for tie breaker tie breaker can record man thought peopl thi net good hockei not great math can two team ahv point record man retard can peopl put win tie breaker golli love stupid peopl listen rex thi hockei nhl precis and nhl exist thing call ti tie occur game end score for each team equal each team get point for tie exit thing call win win team higher score oppon yeah two team plai each time can oppon team get two point for win that team record win loss and ti anoth team record win loss and ti team point second team point wow number point number win that that amaz rex peopl talk win tiebreak that mean exampl second team win tiebreak and record even team had number point you didn understand thi post rex you back and read slowli keith keller ranger quaker kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ want your opinion give you
rec.sport.hockey	atlanta hockei hell not that bad pretti piss local abc coverag cut half hour coverag plai david brinklei earlier time slot don even understand problem didnt peopl not watch game decid show game and show remain hour game hurt plai david brinklei regular time dont decent program noon call sport dept and blast machin call gain and pick ask premept half hour stanlei cup playoff bit confus explain bit detail that upto program dept call back mondai weel understand that sport dept not respons for thi preemption can understand sport dept can even recognis name playoff shown station work for call tomorrow and blast phone urg atlanta hockei fan call wsb and not thing for week pravin ratnam pen rule
rec.sport.hockey	ooop pictur you will hab into last coupl minut game lead nord power plai pull hextal and goal bout minut anoth win overtim bad dream that red hot chili pepper song give give give suppos can watch leaf win tomorrow night smili femal hockei fan world susan carrol clark sclark epa utoronto
rec.sport.hockey	nord hab rob aargh paul stewart worst and bias ref present nhl call total penalti hab and nordiqu nord penalti stewart nordiqu call penalti hab let nord murder rob excel game plenti end end rush and tremend goalkeep nord ti minut lebeau serv penalti don mind stewart call penalti last min game fair nord caught hand cooki jar onc stewart turn cheek bastard patrick roi collaps let tie goal shaki and knee for rest night win goal shouldn don wrong not blame loss stewart hab had plenti chanc capit muller leclair haller etc fail put puck net that stewart didn matter bruin lost ooo ooo czar mainfram comput jbe musicb mcgill mcgill univers sexi for cobol hab will beat nord expo hickori dickori doc good your cock scari rinkl and hairi smell year sock andrew dice clai disclaim needless that opinion express czar repres faculti staff and student mcgill univers
rec.sport.hockey	sad dai for hockei articl alvstad mari acc admin stolaf edu mad dog report fine year histori close tonight minnesota north star norm star whichev you prefer lost red wing score star goal score mike mcphee and ulf dahlen net two includ final franchis histori minut plai stori report ev norm farewel twin citi earlier post announc that norm green midnight last home game north star cleanup belong and turn kei arena thi happen norm run town rumor that attempt remov score board score board fell ic and flatten greedi larg piec green paper arena manag had us zamboni confisc norm truck clean useless remain mike
rec.sport.hockey	atlanta hockei hell mamatha devineni ratnam andrew cmu edu write can understand sport dept can even recognis name playoff shown station work for you that bad year had york team playoff and cableco oper scny onc share channel bet forgot throw switch didn talk nice that nhl back american network face problem star game local preemption and promot don watch that foam leagu made that solid cabl network year espn contract satur coverag sca game shown complet quebec montreal and sabr bruin overtim miss gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	flame brutal loss subject suggest flame not impress thi afternoon drop decis king flame neglect show zone king hit post flame line skrudland paslawski berub tell bad flame gari suter score great goal fact flame goal score men yawnei and dahlquist get made bonehead plai for king pat conach impress game chippi dan mirouelli lost control earli and never recov high stick cross check punch hit fleuri game misconduct for rub warren rychel flame domin game physic fail advantag due horrend defens laps don vernon can blame for goal calgari men roger johansson plai look lost imho hope king insert chri lindbergh paul kruse sergei makarov for wednesdai game gretzki left game period charlei hors idea didn return flame win thi seri buckl vlad impal
rec.sport.hockey	playoff pool updat compil statist entri pool unoffici entrant stat team pick win pittsburgh sweep boston detroit montreal toronto thi wasn roger calgari quebec vancouv washington hell hasn pick chicago quebec pick detroit absolut chicago odd loser detroit chicago pittsburgh vancouv boston calgari lo angel toronto lo angel you your mind good luck you you pittsburgh consensu winner stanlei cup statist beat detroit game haha that happen not pick will come true and pick chicago lose pittsburgh final tough luck you picket detroit tough luck geniu keith keller ranger quaker kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ cow not vegetarian dish keith keller
rec.sport.hockey	flame brutal loss thi game great part doubl header abc espn leagu push back back win magnifiqu and great network that that sca area and hard justifi pai channel gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	canadian team articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write nlu xenon stanford edu nelson write center mark messier ranger messier not invit due nag injuri press made issu and attempt link ranger intern polit woe mike keenan repeat that messier person msg press confer make sens messier not declin invit made for public messier invit declin due nag injuri keenan and messier keenan dump steve yzerman last canada cup team even yzerman had endur train camp messier had miss essenti entir camp recov injuri last moment gerald
rec.sport.hockey	daigl kariya articl qsmhtinnt senat bedfellow mit edu ddlin athena mit edu david lin write hear daigl will pick year word kariya plai enter draft peopl concern kariya size lead team championship world junior and colleg and collect award watch interest will perform left wing eric lindro and mark recchi world championship month chanc not good that top becom probabl great world championship put top daigl and pronger gerald
rec.sport.hockey	octopu detroit detroit octopu symbol dai leagu era origin team made playoff win cup team had win two game seri word playoff win win cup octopu leg becom common detroit symbol year playoff time peopl start sneak octopu octopi into joe loui arena and throw ic mail jold vma edu
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri coach corner summari april summari don cherri coach corner april place intermiss game montreal quebec seri pre game comment don pregam comment aim goali goali get back star form roi hextal can win seri for team eposod summari thi episod place rinksid don hold hot dog that bought concess stand ron maclean start show cartoon appear toronto sun featur pictur don shadow and proclaim will you dat mean anoth week beauti don talk hot dog hold hot dog quebec stadium food arena nhl don comment quebec montreal game game had great flow refere paul stewart call game nhl contrast calgari game terribl stop and minut penalti call calgari dan marouelli get that ref call penalti get ref final ron show pictur don plai for rochest american ahl don recal win that had quebec arena memori cup and ahl championship final don and ron discuss keenan coach ranger ranger talent team underachiev don feel for temporari coach ron smith had kei injuri leetch and patrick and goali cold don had critic for ranger team parti adolf keenan ranger organ will longer countri club acham tank adolf hang yardarm thumb rate noth special thi episod give allan sullivan allan ualberta depart comput scienc univers alberta edmonton alberta canada opinion mine and mine alon amaz can accomplish care get credit golden bear hockei motto drake
rec.sport.hockey	flame brutal loss articl vzhivov cunew vzhivov superior carleton vladimir zhivov write subject suggest flame not impress thi afternoon drop decis king flame neglect show zone king hit post flame line mike vernon win loss that star game debacl afternoon game career anoth afternoon game lo angel sundai abc deal doom flame gerald
rec.sport.hockey	goodby good riddanc lost star goodby minnesota you never earn nhl franchis place hope you enjoi your twin citi wide mania for high school hockei hei pee wee team reunion regina care come and film event yee haa golden gopher whatta weird town you stupid dork western busi school that cari asshol and you don you obnoxi antagonist shit network don you hike and stop embarras your school and canada kea
rec.sport.hockey	beat pittsburgh you beat penguin crash team plane ryan
rec.sport.hockey	abc canada articl boora sfu boora kit sfu godfath write abc coverag king flame game suppos shown cbc overrid abc coverag flip abc comment commerci even question thi real abc coverag cbc black abc coverag for nanaimo vancouv island for you furrin abc coverag komo depend your cabl compani start switch cbc and abc broadcast final settl abc can stand don whitman and michael decent job plai pretti knew player name and made coupl rooki mistak that notic thing that surpris that never onc attempt explain offsid rule paranoid thi happen depart fight game coupl occas look fight start time abc cut show closeup coach mcnall abc decid adopt spicer polici lorn epp epp mala
rec.sport.hockey	blackhawk win articl apr vax cn muskingum edu jbrown vax cn muskingum edu write hawk win jermei roenick score goal and hawk put leaf place loser column leaf can not even beat hawk match that had mean will hate wing btw laugh that jerki hawk gotta hawk can beat blue game that signific can wait blue toronto btw you that hawk deserv win that game you not watch roar leaf fan alfr yong jeh yim mathemat actuari scienc univers waterloo canada mail ayim descart waterloo edu
rec.sport.hockey	wing will win articl vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write that will hard time pittsburgh face final detroit sportswrit predict bryan murrai hockei you figur that bryan murrai wing pretti good team that contend for stanlei cup look win pretti good team that contend for stanlei cup win great make move push team upper echelon nhl and win stanlei cup good murrai can maintain team success can push level histori hockei murrai name murrai isn even leagu todai fail comparison sinden sather savard caron fletcher and quinn estim can imagin bryan murrai can hockei gregmeist
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rec.sport.hockey	ahl calder cup playoff preview daryl turner umturn ccu umanitoba wrote articl apr new clarkson edu farenebt craft camp clarkson edu droopi write atlant divis john mapl leaf moncton hawk moncton hawk island moncton similar team cdi low score defens good goaltend john leblanc and stu barn notic gun team defens top notch and mike neill underr goali leagu bri you sinc februari michael neill underr goali ahl isn ahl winnipeg jet injuri list sinc nhl start ottawa senat year surgeri repair shoulder separ stu barn ahl gun for hawk line center jet and sinc mid januari memori thought that neill back februari incorrect info guess thi moncton barn top scorer even sinc januari bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl and ecac contact for rec sport hockei usa hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu congrat boston bruin adam divis champion phoenix sun pacif divis champion
rec.sport.hockey	individu winner doubter hmm sinc you mention articl apr jarvi csri toronto edu migod ture toronto edu mike godfrei write lemieux mvp question chip masterson selann win calder yep chelio norri you ask dai ago agre you give nod raymond bourqu plai time chelio get close second dunno win vezina suspect not potvin barrasso final get due close eddi eagl coach year tricki burn raw talent king good job flame underachiev last year brian sutter exception year team ditto demer page bless ripen and acquisit young talent darryl sutter good year for rooki coach berri made bad situat terri crisp work minor miracl and bowman bowman pick burn mildli bias your case that bia accept mine show norri pick even impress coach you mention pick arbour not folk thought isl playoff alon contend for divis grant that cousin broadwai and island mow lawn mike godfrei david kehrer dwk sunsrvr cci northern telecom na rochest york noth for eat six piec pizza dinner wife and not rememb had pizza jacqu demer
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rec.sport.hockey	european expans and cked system talk european expans think wish thought total ball leagu format us incompat that europ for that don team lower divis promot and worst demot european fan put you paid you can plai attitud long support team that run ranger base corpor think us term lightli don good product duffus nyc fill arena for ottawa record year haha had hockei and pro sport had similar system europ team ranger forc compet demot fourth divis team centr that aren big halifax adirondack halifax isn good exampl eventu promot and team somewhat competet divis unlik ottawa edmonton etc fan eventu reward for loyalti penal for neglect and leagu interest and dynam year influx newli promot team and halifax citadel win stanlei cup can dream can british european soccer exampl never fan problem think system suck barfli feel free flame account end todai hahahaha
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rec.sport.hockey	individu winner doubter hmm apr cci cci dwk cci cci dave kehrer write sinc you mention articl apr jarvi csri toronto edu migod ture toronto edu mike godfrei write chelio norri you ask dai ago agre you give nod raymond bourqu plai time chelio get close second kevin hatcher score roughli goal plai minut game dunno win vezina suspect not potvin barrasso final get due close eddi eagl that sad two second rate goali barasso and belfour main contend for vezina call crazi tommi soderstrom shutout for place team that doesn plai defens unfortun that goali leagu mclean essensa vernon had unspectacular year btw you award norri basi last dai not give vezina moog goali past month coach year tricki burn raw talent king good job flame underachiev last year brian sutter exception year team ditto demer page bless ripen and acquisit young talent darryl sutter good year for rooki coach berri made bad situat terri crisp work minor miracl and bowman bowman pick burn mildli bias your case that bia accept mine show norri pick even impress coach you mention pick arbour not folk thought isl playoff alon contend for divis grant that cousin broadwai and island mow lawn arbour king burn will win sinc playoff aren into consider regular season not beaten hartford playoff vlad impal
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rec.sport.hockey	finnish star born articl apr tnclu tele nokia hahietanen tnclu tele nokia write yesterdai game team sweden and team finland that plai stockholm and result for home team that noth special surpris saku koivu admit that surpris finnish playoff and team finland saku koivu light weight player size stat and kg and real two player skate can score nice pass even bodycheck watch size isn rememb harlamov and that saku grow last year saku isn that small longer guess heard tall moment and will grow petteri kortelainen
rec.sport.hockey	helsinki stockholm nhl expans articl apr abo mlindroo finabo abo marcu lindroo inf write polari utu franti polari utu write not low perhap sure not high that european nhl divis finnish team for exampl player nation team top class foreign two leagu tp jokerit perhap dozen player intern class even that settl for minor leagu you player intern class averag nhl team top player plai smaller rink qualiti european hockei poor recent year north american good farm player player place finnish leagu elitserien ship back petteri kortelainen
rec.sport.hockey	radio station articl ragraca vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write greania texa mitr org steve greania write not cabl and night cap don plai tune game list radio station broadcast game for nhl team advanc can give you coupl detroit wjr will broadcast coupl game wing toronto seri and sinc broadcast watt you pick dark you pittsburgh penguin game us broadcast kdka don whether will pre empt basebal and move anoth station not you can local basebal team aren plai time randi kdka right pirat game and will split conflict for penguin game preempt check wdve that dve watt kevin stamber purdu univers funni sig todai
rec.sport.hockey	franchis name name florida panther panther endang speci locat everglad coupl year ago licens plate made panther part revenu protect fund name presid panther announc todai yesterdai paper huizenga hockei team will ic miami arena thi fall team guarante two year leas arena year option that run not choic jame blosser lawyer and huizenga aid rule arena long term option nhl told can stai not econom feasibl reason miami heat basketbal team control skybox and advertis revenu arena reduc hockei team profit potenti hockei team attract arena site propos broward dade and palm beach counti lead site vacant land joe robbi stadium resid dai ago agre drop opposit hockei arena end year battl will compliment new sun sentinel jim fitz sanchez castranova
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rec.sport.hockey	pen playoff radio coverag radio station articl ragraca vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write greania texa mitr org steve greania write can give you coupl detroit wjr will broadcast coupl game wing toronto seri and sinc broadcast watt you pick dark you pittsburgh penguin game us broadcast kdka don whether will pre empt basebal and move anoth station not you can local basebal team aren plai time thi morn post gazett pen will carri kdka radio pirat plai pirat plai game will carri wdve wdve will carri game start tonight game fact thi season kdka will longer flagship station for pen penguin and kbl struck deal and radio right game like that wdve will flagship radio station season kbl will carri game game simulcast kdka remain game earli round playoff game will subscript receiv game you pai time hook fee and monthli fee dollar deal will longer radio simulcast will broadcast team and radio broadcast team word announc will mike lang and paul steigerwald contract kdka contract expir end thi season kbl presid bill craig hire lang and steigerwald lori contact for penguin lli cmu edu
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain articl apr iastat edu njdevil iastat edu cire trehguad write anna matya andrew cmu edu wrote michael collingridg write and subject captain trade resign stripe titl season team captain trivia appreci wasn ron franci captain whaler trade pittsburgh and rick tochett captain flyer trade pen recent and mike ramsei time captain buffalo prior trade pittsburgh penguin captain and real captain lemieux plai for rotat season and even mario even troi lonei worn for pen jai john huber aka jai penguin stanlei cup champion softwar engin institut pirat east champion sei mastercraft boat for ski
rec.sport.hockey	thumb espn articl apr wuecl wustl edu jca cec wustl edu joseph charl achkar write nice espn show game wing and leaf sinc cub and astro rain show anoth basebal game decid stanlei cup playoff classi move espn you leav room each time that night basebal game break back studio mention gonna show you hockei wife and hope for rain basebal game feed for tommorrow night point glad show hockei basebal anywher you can bet you watch basebal last night pete clark
rec.sport.hockey	travesti joe loui detroit april develop that shock knowledg observ detroit redw score six goal goaltend world rout win team nhl toronto mapl leaf leaf not fault complet domin inferior detroit squad and deserv win bias offici andi van hellemond and idiot that insist throw octopu ic stoppag obviou attempt distract superior visit side prevent massacr wing leagu team alan thi sweet roger sweet forward instal wednesdai night trust you
rec.sport.hockey	pick articl apr epa toronto edu sclark epa utoronto susan clark write fan ottawa won daigl sweepstak didn mention san jose had goal sen sen hunch thi ottawa pick not mistaken san jose had win ottawa tiebreak nhl win alan
rec.sport.hockey	abc coverag anna matya andrew cmu edu wrote antonio pera write love abc coverag product excel appear excel had sleek modern thi time heard thorn clement thought great request leav micheal thi annoi skeptic game pleasantli surpris coverag impress close rang camera coverag work corner and plai lose beat get back puck boi rip espn hockei coverag pittsburgh thrill lang steigi for you unawar espn bought air time abc and product advertis sale comment etc and even reap made enjoi caleb
rec.sport.hockey	for boxscor for boxscor nhl team for person research can michel arsenault
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain and mike ramsei time captain buffalo prior trade pittsburgh penguin captain and real captain lemieux plai for rotat season and even mario even troi lonei worn for pen had heard perhap incorrectli that lemieux wore jersei turn captain duti scott scott mark launchpad unc edu scott mark launchpad unc edu opinion express not necessarili univers north carolina chapel hill campu offic for inform technolog experiment bulletin board servic internet launchpad unc edu
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain anna matya andrew cmu edu wrote wasn ron franci captain whaler trade pittsburgh imho rank time greatest blunder not mention ic blunder whaler commit eddi johnston and coach rick lei decid that franci incap leader and strip captain decemb organ read and lei and default owner richard gordon dupe blind side dump franci season start refus sign contract publicli humili strip and trade that spring penguin classi gui that loss franci and lesser extent ulf seri decim player move strip person and fan awar team that put precari posit todai gratuit good note presid organ acquir verbeek cassel sanderson poulin nyland etc strip roster lai foundat real live hartford whaler season ticket holder steveg cadkei
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rec.sport.hockey	canadian team thi point team for canadian nhler not playoff bound center geoff sanderson hartford sanderson will team canada posit center draft center and plai rooki sanderson score goal thi season left wing
rec.sport.hockey	result april gerald olchowi golchowi alchemi chem utoronto write podein interest case elig plai cape breton ahl playoff kovalev zubov and andersson sather and pocklington not total scroog make thi case massiv outclass paramount and york ranger polici player and minor leagu playoff versu that ranger hold back kovalev zubov and andersson for binghamton that whaler want michael nyland plai for springfield nyland want plai for sweden whaler allow nhl decid and nhl chose wc thi differ ranger and oiler whaler leagu forc nyland plai springfield
rec.sport.hockey	tie breaker isl and devil rex wang wangr vccsouth rpi edu spew stupidli peopl stupid tie breaker record can peopl sooooo stuppid put win list for tie breaker tie breaker can record man thought peopl thi net good hockei not great math can two team ahv point record man retard can peopl put win tie breaker that you don attend renssela and that you work for that thi toung cheek thi mean that cut alumni contribut increas
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain articl apr samba oit unc edu scott mark launchpad unc edu scott mark write and mike ramsei time captain buffalo prior trade pittsburgh penguin captain and real captain lemieux plai for rotat season and even mario even troi lonei worn for pen that mike foligno captain sabr trade leaf wasn rick vaiv captain leaf trade chicago steve thoma for olcyzk and speak leaf that darryl sittler captain torn jersei claim captainci trade flyer yeah gretzki captain oiler trade wasn gari
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rec.sport.hockey	travesti joe loui articl apr mtroyal caldwel mtroyal write detroit april develop that shock knowledg observ detroit redw score six goal goaltend world rout win team nhl toronto mapl leaf not that not mistaken detroit score goal shot net toronto cream chees run continu that swiss chees watch potvin lean bill
rec.sport.hockey	tie breaker isl and devil articl lrw rpi edu wangr rpi edu write peopl stupid tie breaker record can peopl sooooo stuppid put win list for tie breaker tie breaker can record man thought peopl thi net good hockei not great math can two team ahv point record man retard can peopl put win tie breaker didn smili thi messag pt team team you two team that tie point ident record
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rec.sport.hockey	bai area media wing leaf coverag articl dreier apr durban berkelei edu dreier durban berkelei edu roland dreier write san francisco bai area media report tonight that detroit red wing beat toronto mapl leaf can not part media conspiraci leaf game expect win for leaf shutout for potvin hat trick for andreychuk and goal and assist for gilmour leaf lost penalti whichev bias ref game call leaf red wing win you roland dreier dreier math berkelei edu disappoint you red wing earn victori easili watch game espn realiz that televis game begin second mapl leaf flat flat meanwhil red wing skate freeli and dictat pace game didn detect bad penalti call van hellemond usual good job toronto look expect for playoff game year nervou for leaf sake hope can rid butterfli for game game indic seri gonna quick tom galvin galvint tauru np navi mil
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rec.sport.hockey	west coast nhl playoff game eastern newspap editor unsympathet playoff pool don summari west coast game sinc finish late night for morn edit and greatli score summari west coast playoff game post thi group basic goal scorer and assist don bother time penalti shot etc thi make lot pool obsess peopl happi guess senat golf local paper lost interest
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rec.sport.hockey	murrai wing will win articl apr sol uvic gballent hudson uvic write articl vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write predict bryan murrai hockei you figur that bryan murrai wing pretti good team that contend for stanlei cup look win pretti good team that contend for stanlei cup win great make move push team upper echelon nhl and win stanlei cup good murrai can murrai great job pick ciccarelli sheppard ysebaert how coffei and riendeau depth player give wing need top prospect thi year year wing didn even make playoff year and half demer stint that wing that due demer motav skill and clutch and grab style didn talent gerald murrai wasn respons for primeau not readi admit that horribl pick hire draft never made sens pick lapoint ron and major goal leav presid set thing worri get bore read problem paper decad decad want peopl deal problem presid bill clinton
rec.sport.hockey	wing will win articl ragraca vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write that will hard time pittsburgh face final detroit sportswrit predict bryan murrai hockei not impress abil bench coach gener motiv amount talent thi team blown norri not anoth team norri even campbel confer that can hold candl detroit paper term pure talent gui not pull weight time thi year scotti bowman hand won correct wrong stanlei cup outstand coach and outcoach murrai face each bryan murrai yzerman fedorov chevelda chaisson russian strategi product previou murrai made coupl decent trade that that rank wasn primeau murrai decis gerald
rec.sport.hockey	result april articl apr iscnvx lmsc lockhe spiegel sgi msd lmsc lockhe mark spiegel write murki new team usa roster name and team plai for list goali forward toni amont york ranger ted druri harvard univ rob gaudreau san jose shark craig johnson univ minnesota jeff lazaro ottawa senat mike modano minnesota north star olczyk york ranger derek plant univ minnesota duluth shion podein edmonton oiler david sacco boston univers darren turcott york ranger doug weight edmonton oiler edmonton oiler decid european vacat thi spring ranford tugnutt ben manson smith buchberg and corson plai for canada podein and weight plai for kravchuk plai for russian had nag injuri late season podein interest case elig plai cape breton ahl playoff kovalev zubov and andersson sather and pocklington not total scroog make thi case massiv outclass paramount and york ranger gerald
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain michael collingridg write and subject captain trade resign stripe titl season team captain trivia appreci wasn ron franci captain whaler trade pittsburgh mom rick tocchet captain flyer for year trade pen john santor break surfac tension wild kinet dream rush grand design philadelphia flyer john santor jsbh andrew cmu edu rush king crimson emerson lake and palmer marillion genesi gabriel
rec.sport.hockey	shark kingston fire articl apr leland stanford edu terri garfield stanford edu terri wong write that jack ferreira fire eventu led kingston fire you mention consist vision shark lost that loss ferreira never head that work you person make personnel decis top not manag committe convent wisdom leagu that ferreira made move that field product ic exactli ferreira accomplish thi head ship lot heat explain thing had ferreira ferreira made trade had trade made fewer trade not trade sherri nichol snichol adob
rec.sport.hockey	wing will win articl vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write gballent hudson uvic greg ballentin write articl vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write that will hard time pittsburgh face final detroit sportswrit predict bryan murrai hockei you figur that bryan murrai wing pretti good team that contend for stanlei cup look win pretti good team that contend for stanlei cup win great make move push team upper echelon nhl and win stanlei cup good murrai can maintain team success can push level jacqu demer brought wing confer final twice year back had team give percent had talent had yzerman bob probert had drink problem time and coupl decent goaltend hanlon and stefan hot that can you name player earlier team even deserv star game yzerman and probert petr klima give break face edmonton confer final hard plai clear face team that simpli had superior talent wing that not final that time norri divis weakest divis hockei and get past chicago and toronto not impress todai murrai brought score talent wing that not year ago devellano and demer coach name ysebaert kozlov and paul coffei made definit posit impact power plai murrai built talent team hockei present except pittsburgh penguin wing goal scorer that can and coupl defenseman game worth playoff experi murrai fail that unlik you mention good don wrong not found for strong coach motiv team and give percent for full minut night last time made cup run team win lose reflect and coach point origin post team outmatch oppon term talent lose case thi year wing struggl that that job build team coach fail motiv case last run wing made playoff murrai gave oppon hard time beaten easili that good coach make for lack talent thi fine never that murrai bad that isn hockei even contend for that honor murrai great you claim wing won stanlei cup onc great you claim and poor coach you claim intellig hire coach push team level success murrai averag unspectacular nhl coach and pretti good thi true gregmeist
rec.sport.hockey	ron franci matthew rush write award for back hockei great underneath hype lemieux steven jagr ulf etc ron franci quietli put togeth point season goal and assist game that acquisit penguin made sinc get lemieux apolog rick tocchet had hell year pen person time franci playoff two year ago back mario second line center franci rememb randi gilhen plai tough ac face circl skill franci score pass win face off and put into game night want glow you mean glow everytim ronni ic fact neatest thing pen person that can kei watch subtl thing plai interview recent that kid dad stress import plai two hockei that you learn plai defens offens and that advic heart breath fresh air arriv pittsburgh team forward for part couldn and wouldn plai lick defens difficult assess kei trade that brought thi success pen you mention rick tocchet and help and even kjell steadi thi team you almost line perman and replac extrem mediocr player and wouldn matter had pick top acquisit recent year tom barrasso ron franci larri murphi love put franci thing that damag pen lose barrasso mom
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri coach corner summari april apr don cherri coach corner user allan sullivan ualber write clip shown earlier episod don proclaim doug gilmour player not nhl world player lemieux don that gilmour player not design point getter not basebal you designat hitter can score run can plai defens gilmour good two player thi clip shown local new pittsburgh last night kdka complet anim sarcasm sportscast second time cherri shown local pittsburgh new last coupl week time blast lemieux jim murawski softwar engin offic administr comput and fax inform servic jjm andrew cmu edu carnegi mellon univers offic ucc forb avenu pittsburgh mieux magnifiqu soixant six claud dai clinton clinocchio leav offic
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri coach corner summari april articl allan swanlak allan ualberta allan sullivan write clip shown earlier episod don proclaim doug gilmour player not nhl world player lemieux don that gilmour player not design point getter not basebal you designat hitter can score run can plai defens gilmour good two player can you expect buffoon that pen draft kirk muller mario lemieux perhap onc time don cherri had insight into game hockei degener into parodi sherri nichol snichol adob
rec.sport.hockey	nord hab rob articl apr mcgill jbe jbe musicb mcgill write aargh paul stewart worst and bias ref present nhl call total penalti hab and nordiqu nord penalti stewart nordiqu call penalti hab let nord murder rob patrick roi reason game lost and ron hextal reason quebec won come goaltend that goaltend kei etc etc kei doesn quit fit you montreal dionn penalti kind cheesi call face liter left feet throw elbow blame stewart excus avoid face fact that roi allow worst goal possibl even shot dammit stewart even thing bit call quebec penalti montreal plai solid game don clear traffic front net loss schneider will hurt even that team that blow goal lead alon two minut regul time playoff game smack upsid collect head don thi team loss kean clear zone prior quebec goal roi paid big monei plai look player industri leagu sakic shot demer start racicot game not that damn team read paper for dai two and thi articl patrick roi collaps let tie goal shaki and knee for rest night win goal shouldn didn wrap bad second goal didn scott young defend can rememb place you correct shouldn bruin lost yep moog look bad mogilni goal second left second imo neeli holi shit player speak great player man man can quebec skate haven team potent rush long time watch break zone sundin treat watch remind red armi hate team rest game didn loui win goal come powerplai penalti will cost chicago dearli detroit for calgari undisciplin marti mcsore wave gui bench avoid fight you jersei overmatch terreri heroic notwithstand mario unbeliev and jagr for reason show playoff hate that team dchhabra stpl ist piss hab fan
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rec.sport.hockey	div and conf name articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write evan pritchard write that you incorrect roger patrick smyth and adam plai coach leagu front offic type build leagu not great player punch imlach contribut coach and greater combin name divis trophi owner player contribut delet honour contribut leagu evolut honour contribut glori sport stuff delet monei issu irrelev point that agre and that player that make game great and not peopl put ic recal author origin articl that start thread claim that dislik chang name for varieti reason roger front you flame sever ground that jingoist rant you support name chang ground that current name inappropri individu repres fwiw not flame warrant you enhanc credibl you observ that real question whether you idea chang name base reason for make easier for casual fan whether you idea uniqu division name base individu deserv honour imo nice and uniqu touch that differ sport addit not that chang division name will effect number peopl that interest hockei pointless exercis current name inappropri that separ issu not central origin articl addition whether not player orr contribut glori sport organ profession leagu plai thi case honour builder leagu oppos builder sport becom chicken and egg type question chicken exactli true name divis and trophi smyth and bunch kind nepot that put stein hall fame thought that thi nonsens dunno stein comparison justifi sinc doesn unanim accept hall will hold dchhabra stpl ist
rec.sport.hockey	hawk leaf lastnight articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write replai joe murphi goal shouldn count game end tie thought red light review presumpt find conclus evid that puck not net replai even rear evid wasn conclus that puck opinion impress that object find conclus evid that puck cross line and replai show fairli conclus that puck not cross goal line time screw dchhabra stpl ist
rec.sport.hockey	thumb espn articl apr wuecl wustl edu jca cec wustl edu joseph charl achkar write nice espn show game wing and leaf sinc cub and astro rain show anoth basebal game decid stanlei cup playoff classi move espn good wing plai let not give espn credit weren late basebal game didn anoth option eric sebastian pen
rec.sport.hockey	wing game qvo msu vergolin euler lb msu edu david vergolini write detroit red wing put lot doubter ic tonight wash toronto mapl leaf you toronto fan power mighti red wing offens toronto defens match for wing offens for defens probert kennedei and primeau hit hard toronto player thrown left and not even wendel clark tough for wing tough gui wing gave goal low total for mediocr defens you leaf fan speak you team will probabl season end wing fan support quit wing fan lurk tend low kei and thought woofer suppos famili roger clinton rememb paraphras favorit star trek line adopt wai leaf fan bad leaf fan ron and major goal leav presid set thing worri get bore read problem paper decad decad want peopl deal problem presid bill clinton
rec.sport.hockey	wing will win golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write bryan murrai yzerman fedorov chevelda chaisson russian strategi product previou murrai made coupl decent trade that that rank wasn primeau murrai decis gerald team nhl like russian player russian strategi not specif detroit devellano murrai previou trade player team notabl memori murrai craven had good year philli leav not volum trade that will necessarili improv team qualiti trade adam oat for berni federko plain stupid even federko us great player time murrai trade work significantli wing advantag that didn sour injuri player involv such troi crowder suffer back problem never recov put scotti bowman pat burn coach leagu bench thi detroit team and beat randi
rec.sport.hockey	abc coverag articl cfoi jndv andrew cmu edu anna matya andrew cmu edu write thorn good and fan clement miss mike emrick boyfriend not hockei fan even look point and gui pretti good announc thi gui that rick tocchet charl bronson your boyfriend comment fact that clement walk for brillo pad hair replac therapi gui stuf shirt think greatest hockei analyst sinc howi meeker for gosh sake schoeni dai georg georg ferguson arpa ferguson rochest edu dept comput scienc rutger rochest ferguson univers rochest vox rochest fax
rec.sport.hockey	thumb espn articl apr wuecl wustl edu jca cec wustl edu joseph charl achkar write nice espn show game wing and leaf sinc cub and astro rain show anoth basebal game decid stanlei cup playoff classi move espn not show surpris couldn find sprint car race mini car pigpen short notic georg georg ferguson arpa ferguson rochest edu dept comput scienc rutger rochest ferguson univers rochest vox rochest fax
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rec.sport.hockey	thumb espn articl apr wuecl wustl edu jca cec wustl edu joseph charl achkar write nice espn show game wing and leaf sinc cub and astro rain show anoth basebal game decid stanlei cup playoff classi move espn reason espn show that hockei basebal game schedul for even randi turgeo plymouth edu joe ashkar contact for blue saint loui jca cec wustl edu blue
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain coll ann arbor applicon slb michael collingridg write and subject captain trade resign stripe titl season team captain trivia appreci luc robitail captain king season great back disc injuri kind awkward melros appoint anoint tgo captain immedi return not score goal for game luc remain captain season dvb
rec.sport.hockey	abc coverag articl cfoi jndv andrew cmu edu andrew cmu edu anna matya write skeptic game pleasantli surpris coverag impress close rang camera coverag work corner and plai lose beat get back puck thorn good and fan clement miss mike emrick boyfriend not hockei fan even look point and gui pretti good announc thi gui that rick tocchet charl bronson mom complaint for cameramen jersei pitt seri show shot not hit occass camera zoom check board puck slot pan back show rebound mom camera peopl experienc joseph stiehm
rec.sport.hockey	ron franci not mention franci incred nice person christma break friend mine had xma gather two drove ron hous stai car shyness friend door and rang bell ron answer and friend introduc proceed invit franci parti ron declin had watch daughter reach and shook friend hand thi isn don barri bond thi polit thi situat georg
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rec.sport.hockey	ron franci articl apr virginia edu mjr virginia edu matthew rush write forgot thi highest point total franci had season had point season pen whaler franci last full season hartford agreement your previou post franci tremend and gener underr complet player love capit uniform center even pivonka good complet player gener underr franci impress wai ethic dale hunter ton heart and can attitud lot skill cheap shot and penalti minut not mention come import
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rec.sport.hockey	wing game articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write qvo msuinfo msu edu vergolin euler lb msu edu david vergolini write detroit red wing put lot doubter ic tonight wash toronto mapl leaf you toronto fan power mighti red wing offens toronto defens match for wing offens for defens probert kennedei and primeau move probert back defens park ass front potvin night disciplin probert leaf want win seri perhap fresh clark hit ic end long probert shift and straigten for regular season intens not team forward will continu and park front oppos team net and inadequaci leaf defens thi regard didn matter playoff stori good team player becom pot plant front potvin and leaf rel unphys defens core will final expos weak inept hard work will long regular season almost point and leaf deserv credit for that playoff talent matter begin work hard gerald
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri coach corner summari april articl yfoz wboq hyq andrew cmu edu jame murawski jjm andrew cmu edu write apr don cherri coach corner user allan sullivan ualber write clip shown earlier episod don proclaim doug gilmour player not nhl world player lemieux don that gilmour player not design point getter not basebal you designat hitter can score run can plai defens gilmour good two player thi clip shown local new pittsburgh last night kdka complet anim sarcasm sportscast second time cherri shown local pittsburgh new last coupl week time blast lemieux design point getter remark not meant for lemieux for gretzki bure etc etc and made remark last decemb lemieux diagnos hodgkin and leaf start second half roll and gilmour great season recogn peopl gerald
rec.sport.hockey	abc coverag articl cfoi jndv andrew cmu edu anna matya andrew cmu edu write thorn good and fan clement miss mike emrick boyfriend not hockei fan even look point and gui pretti good announc thi gui that rick tocchet charl bronson imho clement pleasant person aggravatingli pleasant opinion terribl analyst almost alwai wrong prototyp exampl jersei goal last sundai grew dick irvin color besid danni gallivan knew irvin dick irvin friend mine bill clement you aren dick irvin long team involv not includ nation team york ranger john davidson bill clement dai gerald
rec.sport.hockey	pen playoff radio coverag radio station articl sfjv cmu edu lli cmu edu lori iannamico wrote thi morn post gazett pen will carri kdka radio pirat plai pirat plai game will carri wdve wdve will carri game start tonight game fact thi season kdka will longer flagship station for pen penguin and kbl struck deal and radio right game like that wdve will flagship radio station season kbl will carri game game simulcast kdka remain game earli round playoff game will subscript receiv game you pai time hook fee and monthli fee dollar deal will longer radio simulcast will broadcast team and radio broadcast team word announc will mike lang and paul steigerwald contract kdka contract expir end thi season kbl presid bill craig hire lang and steigerwald lori contact for penguin lli cmu edu nooooooooooooooooo mindschem thi ted simmon ain broke don fix mile home school year and will never pick dve can sort make mike and steigi static kdka thi reason for transfer duquesn and live home announc dve paulson and krenn kid georg
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rec.sport.hockey	wing will win articl ragraca vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write bryan murrai yzerman fedorov chevelda chaisson russian strategi product previou murrai made coupl decent trade that that rank team nhl like russian player russian strategi not specif detroit devellano murrai previou trade player team notabl memori murrai craven had good year philli leav not volum trade that will necessarili improv team qualiti trade adam oat for berni federko plain stupid even federko us great player time murrai trade work significantli wing advantag that didn sour injuri player involv such troi crowder suffer back problem never recov devallano earlier and extens russian strategi and wast high draft choic young russian devallano succomb demer plead make oat federko trade deal that seal fate murrai made decent trade doubt due stupid cheap team brillianc part washington cheap pai ciccarelli essenti gave and carson big anchor team and sucker rooki give paul coffei for deadweight detroit fail thi year defenseman short will wast opportun manson and unabl pull trigger judgement that yzerman doesn that year prime gerald
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rec.sport.hockey	you pat burn articl chb jethro corp sun jake rambler eng sun write leaf leaf support and leaf noth short miracl stroke geneniu hit pat burn you pat burn you prai for wing becom lazi and overconfid wing can lose seri toronto cannot win doug gilmour and leaf tampa bai leaf deserv lot credit for dilig effort regular season detroit put reason effort thi not contest gerald
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rec.sport.hockey	bai area media wing leaf coverag maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write dreier apr durban berkelei edu dreier durban berkelei edu roland dreier write san francisco bai area media report tonight that detroit red wing beat toronto mapl leaf can not part media conspiraci leaf game expect win for leaf shutout for potvin hat trick for andreychuk and goal and assist for gilmour leaf lost penalti whichev bias ref game call leaf red wing win california san francisco bai area media report that joe montana rumour lead candid replac fire san jose shark coach georg kingston appar montana not covet for win attitud plai coach will expect quarterback powerplai good comeback rog your quick wit and intellig continu amaz john franjion depart chemic engin univers colorado boulder franjion spot colorado edu
rec.sport.hockey	you pat burn apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write prai for wing becom lazi and overconfid wing can lose seri toronto cannot win doug gilmour and leaf tampa bai gerald and bob probert and wing dead octopus leaf deserv lot credit for dilig effort regular season detroit put reason effort thi not contest wait for bodi cold start eulogi lost game game detroit and potvin not even that thought that leaf sweep wing six leaf will wing home advantag game cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
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rec.sport.hockey	bai area media wing leaf coverag articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write dreier apr durban berkelei edu dreier durban berkelei edu roland dreier write san francisco bai area media report tonight that detroit red wing beat toronto mapl leaf can not part media conspiraci leaf game expect win for leaf shutout for potvin hat trick for andreychuk and goal and assist for gilmour leaf lost penalti whichev bias ref game call leaf red wing win california san francisco bai area media report that joe montana rumour lead candid replac fire san jose shark coach georg kingston appar montana not covet for win attitud plai coach will expect quarterback powerplai close roger banana avocado artichok geraci murki new kingston will er quarterback determin kid not happen pound enuff pint thi week back and check stooper idiot purdi column that worth leaf mean laugh depress read comicl mark mark spiegel spiegel lmsc lockhe cow palac epicent
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rec.sport.hockey	list tee time metropolitan toronto golf cours for mondai lee gaul csd uwo steve lee write articl spec euc noos ecn purdu edu stamber rainbow ecn purdu edu kevin stamber write woop thi rec sport hockei not rec sport golf hope you check newsgroup header time post steve lee univers western ontario london canada lee obelix gaul csd uwo steve refer leaf and can expect hit green acadia axemen ciau champion donald smith dragon acadiau
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rec.sport.hockey	score and stand april world championship germani group stand munich group stand dortmund canada czech republ russia finland itali germani sweden usa austria franc switzerland norwai april itali russia norwai germani sweden austria usa czech republ april canada switzerland russia austria finland franc april sweden canada czech republ germani switzerland itali finland usa april germani franc itali sweden czech republ norwai april switzerland russia usa franc austria canada norwai finland april switzerland austria germani finland april russia sweden czech republ franc canada itali usa norwai april sweden switzerland finland czech republ russia canada germani usa april austria itali franc norwai playoff april quarterfin april quarterfin april releg april semifin releg bronz medal game final staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl draft articl apr newshub ariel yorku ariel yorku shawn luddington write for pick ottawa pick mean almost that alexand daigl will stai trade montreal quebec imo kariya alot leadership ncaa and world championship daigl didn show thi for junior team san jose will kariya tampa bai will for russian kozlov that defenseman rob niedemey spelt last name wrong last name niedermay jersei scott last name you guess brother rob niedermay center not defenseman not that shark will kariya aren appar niedermay and victor kozlov kariya chri pronger name mention guess that niedermay pronger that defens prospect calgari flame macinni for norri gari robert for hart and smyth edmonton oiler for playoff year stai edmonton nelson claudiu leland stanford edu rec sport hockei contact for san jose shark
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rec.sport.hockey	goodby good riddanc lost star articl blue ci pitt edu gomer pitt edu richard coyl write articl apr julian uwo kirk gaul csd uwo andrew kirk write accept into western busi school not dork second person countri million doesn post articl not mean that embarras canada thi network for express you feel your thought doesn agre you thi not give you call asshol north star shit give peopl privileg call folk you asshol asshol offens group bunch loser you never heard western busi school chickenshit place rick loser you fuck moron never heard western busi school univers western ontario for that matter don you pull your head your asshol and smell shit for onc you can map uwo back hockei north star move for past year shit real team toronto never move andrew andrew kirk univers western ontario london ontario leaf
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl regular season final attend report nation hockei leagu season home attend report each qtr repres home game qtr will home game neutral site game not includ number sell out team name qtr qtr qtr qtr total averag bo buf cal chi det edm har min mon nyi nyr ott phi pit que stl tor van win avg
rec.sport.hockey	king playoff note stauber rate etc lo angel king note playoff stauber disturb man theme rick sadowski daili new barri melros decis stick robb stauber stand creas even bench for stanlei cup playoff not sit rooki goaltend want part team crucial time year fun time year and not stauber emot mondai work hard for that stauber accept melros choic kelli hrudei team top goali playoff seri calgari flame hrudei made save sundai open victori stauber upset sudden statu man rick knickl stauber had record and goal averag stretch regular season and wrestl job hrudei knickl won decis had bloat averag twice yank game onc for stomach cramp and hasn plai sinc march seri resum wednesdai knickl will serv hrudei backup and stauber will satisfi playoff hunger munch olymp saddledom popcorn supposedli close starter starter drop happen stauber wonder not that happi feel part thi team playoff perhap stauber eventu will chanc melros appar not convinc year capabl handl playoff pressur insist king goali futur melros stauber flub big game ask win thi season melros loss san jose dec loss york ranger jan tie detroit feb loss vancouv thursdai time thi season robb emerg elit goali kelli hrudei and didn melros elit goaltend carri ball you give mark great goali that isn satisfi backup not blame robb for loss you you walk your talk you plai line robb stauber great deal abil expect ouch that remark stung stauber began season struggl team hit mid season slump didn plai for month knickl sign san diego gull roster end expect includ barri melros stauber year star univers minnesota left school develop hamper string injuri last year two knee oper herniat disk back shoulder surgeri can expect lot wouldn disagre that doesn not barri doesn don expect perfectionist stauber acknowledg plai poorli game melros mention even didn plai knock bit jump you almost you plai good game you and you don you jack nicklau shoot and can you explain that that barri want explain didn come count don sport melros goali futur statement doesn mean stauber you and will futur game king flame playoff seri drew nielsen rate abc channel king averag nielsen rate regular season game air channel nhl san jose fire coach georg kingston lead team mark nhl season kingston past year shark island execut bill torrei name presid expans florida panther bobbi clark name club gener manag last night game win van van lead tor det det lead stan willi willi empir dnet hac net contact king talk king mail list king stanford edu subscrib unsubscrib king request stanford edu
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rec.sport.hockey	red wing goespel don forget paul ysebaert devil good team player michael mv cec wustl edu jersei devil
rec.sport.hockey	result april world championship germani group result sweden canada can geoff sanderson kevin dineen swe patrik juhlin jan larsson can geoff sanderson can mike gartner greg johnson adam grave can rod brind amour shayn corson shot goal penalti attend refere sweden min rob hearn usa canada min bill ranford stop shot lead canada victori plai game period start give canadian defenseman and rundqvist alon ranford couldn put puck slide ranford kevin dineen had great opportun soderstrom plai stefan nilsson had coupl great deke and set jan larsson ranford big period end scoreless edg sweden creat opportun second period action tommi soderstrom make great save mark recchi made backhand cross ic pass lindro eric time puck soderstrom make glove hand save minut mark canada start appli pressur swede sanderson dineen brind amour work hard and puck swede zone dineen gave puck sanderson skate screen swedish defenseman soderstrom and made wrist shot that soderstrom post canada swede pick game that and peter forsberg had shot that hit ranford post insid parallel goal line and gartner penalti and swede power plai jan larsson shot slot ranford gave rebound larsson juhlin post pass puck and ranford beat period start period swede pressur canadian danger onc close swede goal canada creat great chanc and arto blomsten forc cover puck swede goal creas sinc soderstrom lost sight that result penalti shot sinc defenseman can cover puck goal creas geoff sanderson penalti shot explain and put low soderstrom stick side close post excel penalti shot give canada ahead goal canada increas lead suspect offsid gartner vollei bounc puck past soderstrom make swede ran ga and couldn produc good score chanc had for period goal second left rod brind amour score rebound soderstrom swedish defens had mind dress room good game goali plai great soderstrom player sweden ranford even plai soderstrom that tell you ranford goali world comment game canada plai disciplin defens ranford point that easi plai good defens lindro plai lot and plai sanderson natur game hero two goal forsberg naslund bergqvist line sweden larsson juhlin nilsson swedish defens plai peter popov had task neutral eric lindro and manag thi ranger defenseman peter andersson final and that land germani hour game plai swedish coach curt lundmark irrit game partli swede inabl score and partli linesman mistak goal line inform follow below itali switzerland ita orlando penalti ita min swi min refere anton danko slovakia attend group result czech republ germani cze kamil kastak cze jiri dolez cze petr hrbek cze radek toupal cze josef beranek penalti cze min ger min min min game penalti refere darren loraa canada attend czech german and german crowd show discont throw stuff ic finland usa fin jarkko varvio usa olczyk penalti fin min usa min refere valeri bokarev russia attend hope finn can provid inform thi game didn game finn lead jarkko varvio slap shot blue line and soft goal for unscreen mike richter plai second period finn control lead warrant sweden canada goaltend tommi soderstrom bill ranford defens kenneth kennholt norm maciv fredrik stillman dave manson peter popov geoff smith peter andersson brian ben arto blomsten terri carkner roger akerstrom garri gallei derek mayer forward mikael renberg dave gagner thoma rundqvist adam grave mikael andersson mike gartner marku naslund paul kariya peter forsberg eric lindro jona bergqvist mark recchi patrik juhlin rod brind amour jan larsson shayn corson stefan nilsson kevin dineen charl berglund geoff sanderson michael nyland greg johnson andersson bergqvist brian savag kelli buchberg staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo boston defens tonight boston buffalo sabr blank boston bruin tonight boston boston can hang thi season buffalo home record awesom thi great buffalo fan reveng for last year delarocq eo ncsu edu afc east divis champion and afc confer champion squish fish mondai night footbal novemb squish trash talk fish afc championship januari you buffalo bill fan email delarocq eo ncsu edu can talk game insight etc you packer fan interest new green bai
rec.sport.hockey	abc canada plarsen sanjuan allen larsen write articl boora sfu boora kit sfu godfath write abc coverag king flame game suppos shown cbc overrid abc coverag flip abc comment commerci even question thi real abc coverag cbc black abc coverag for call simulcast canada canadian station and american station show thing whether sport event cheer thursdai night canadian signal broadcast american station even thi superbowl commerci televis dumb canadian commerci for that last year edmonton and that case treat actual abc telecast king flame game earlier don witless whitman poor comment and not for hockei oiler plai augh turn sound and listen radio broadcast decent plai plai announc bart edmonton
rec.sport.hockey	bai area media wing leaf coverag dreier apr durban berkelei edu dreier durban berkelei edu roland dreier write san francisco bai area media report tonight that detroit red wing beat toronto mapl leaf can not part media conspiraci leaf game expect win for leaf shutout for potvin hat trick for andreychuk and goal and assist for gilmour leaf lost penalti whichev bias ref game call leaf red wing win california san francisco bai area media report that joe montana rumour lead candid replac fire san jose shark coach georg kingston appar montana not covet for win attitud plai coach will expect quarterback powerplai good thing wall soft rolli cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain anna matya andrew cmu edu wrote michael collingridg write and subject captain trade resign stripe titl season team captain trivia appreci wasn ron franci captain whaler trade pittsburgh and rick tochett captain flyer trade pen recent caleb and not forget that jersei devil trade captain kirk muller for stephen richer and chorsk man hate that trade
rec.sport.hockey	wing game qvo msuinfo msu edu vergolin euler lb msu edu david vergolini write detroit red wing put lot doubter ic tonight wash toronto mapl leaf you toronto fan power mighti red wing offens toronto defens match for wing offens for defens probert kennedei and primeau move probert back defens park ass front potvin night disciplin probert leaf want win seri perhap fresh clark hit ic end long probert shift and straigten for cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
rec.sport.hockey	result april dstein oak math ucla edu david stein write russian and czech unabl beat easi oppon and swede beat austria open game effect pro arriv late nervous for rooki player and problem line click make thing hard wors nation guess that team you face open game sinc chanc upset greater reason wors team tough beat present han viru lindberg coach switzerland wors team refer franc switzerland austria itali etc world class goali defens plai becom disciplin unnecessari penalti us line make harder make run ga ic qualiti german rink poor convinc winner germani wierd anoth weird thing that czech plai entertain hockei err kid david alex czech roster includ club player come finnish german swiss alex that name for forgot czech roster home yesterdai don team for player you gui fill blank for player plai finland czech republ goaltend petr briza finland roman turek motor budejovic defens leo guda milo holan vitkovic drahomir kadlec bedrich scerban bryna sweden antonin stavjana sweden miroslav horava modo sweden al flasar vitkovic forward petr rosol kamil kastak sweden richard zemlicka jiri kucera jan caloun litvinov petr hrbek toma kapusta otakar janecki finland roman horak motor budejovic martin hostak modo sweden radek toupal jiri dolez staffan staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
rec.sport.hockey	hockei hispan commun reli canadian tourist and transplant northeastern support team miami crazi espaeci you deserv citi team such san diego milwauke panther name can sell hispan deep doo doo rumor that tampa move milwauke
rec.sport.hockey	abc coverag love abc coverag product excel appear excel had sleek modern thi time heard thorn clement thought great request leav micheal thi annoi hope thi lead regular season contract guess that will roughli weekli game feb april and playoff envi you canadian your tsn cbc dish pick canadian thing btw
rec.sport.hockey	nhl summari pars result for game plai sun april jersei pittsburgh period pittsburgh tocchet steven lemieux jersei barr guerin holik pittsburgh lemieux jagr ramsei second period pittsburgh lemieux steven murphi pittsburgh franci ramsei mullen pittsburgh tippett jagr mceachern period pittsburgh jagr samuelsson lemieux jersei steven niedermay driver jersei steven semak niedermay pittsburgh power plai scorer pt franci jagr lemieux mceachern mullen murphi ramsei samuelsson steven tippett tocchet jersei power plai scorer pt barr driver guerin holik niedermay semak steven loui chicago period chicago noonan larmer brown second period loui brown shanahan emerson chicago noonan roenick chelio chicago noonan matteau sutter loui felsner mcrae jannei period loui shanahan brown hull loui hull emerson brown loui power plai scorer pt brown emerson felsner hull jannei mcrae shanahan chicago power plai scorer pt brown chelio larmer matteau noonan roenick sutter lo angel calgari period lo angel sydor gretzki sandstrom second period calgari suter fleuri lo angel carson shuchuk sydor lo angel huddi taylor rychel lo angel mcsorlei unassist period lo angel millen granato donnelli calgari dahlquist otto calgari yawnei macinni reichel lo angel carson sandstrom robitail lo angel power plai scorer pt carson donnelli granato gretzki huddi mcsorlei millen robitail rychel sandstrom shuchuk sydor taylor calgari power plai special goal total scorer pt dahlquist fleuri macinni otto reichel suter yawnei period island ferraro flatlei vask second period score period washington hunter elynuik krygier washington hunter khristich johansson washington khristich pivonka johansson washington power plai scorer pt elynuik hunter johansson khristich krygier pivonka island power plai scorer pt ferraro flatlei vask buffalo boston period buffalo hannan unassist buffalo lafontain mogilni second period boston juneau neeli oat boston neeli oat juneau buffalo mogilni hawerchuk smehlik period buffalo mogilni unassist boston neeli juneau oat boston heinz juneau overtim buffalo sweenei khmylev smehlik buffalo power plai scorer pt hannan hawerchuk khmylev lafontain mogilni smehlik sweenei boston power plai scorer pt heinz juneau neeli oat montreal quebec period montreal dionn dipietro brunet second period montreal bellow muller desjardin period quebec rucinski lapoint sundin quebec sakic lapoint overtim quebec young ricci duchesn quebec power plai scorer pt duchesn lapoint ricci rucinski sakic sundin young montreal power plai scorer pt bellow brunet desjardin dionn dipietro muller
rec.sport.hockey	colleg hockei star roster post roster for colleg hockei star game east and west roster advanc
rec.sport.hockey	result april articl apr ericsson etxonss ufsa ericsson staffan axelsson write forgot czech roster home yesterdai don team for player you gui fill blank for player plai finland czech republ goaltend petr briza finland sign contract for landshut germani for season defens leo guda hedo muenchen germani sinc holger holger ohlwein otto hahn ring muenchen tel email holger ohlwein mchp sni never put till tomorrow you can avoid togeth
rec.sport.hockey	request for list boston univ player nhl proud alumnu list player nhl can ey progress lot terrier graduat thi year hope nhl post send list note player graduat not
rec.sport.hockey	shark kingston fire overheard that san jose coach georg kingston offici termin todai good new bad kinda like lack fire bill gibson gibson bill applelink appl chief technic spong applelink gibson bill appl comput inc shark
rec.sport.hockey	detroit toronto deal noth want want roger you keith keller ranger quaker kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ cow not vegetarian dish keith keller
rec.sport.hockey	goali mask poll articl hydra gatech edu gtd prism gatech edu hrivnak write current vote for favorit goali mask pt pt receiv pt mike vernon cal clint glenn heali nyi toi espo gill gratton thi toni esposito memori serv correctli chicago god hope will never hear end keith keller ranger quaker kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ cow not vegetarian dish keith keller
rec.sport.hockey	final season chl stuff final stat for chl for season central hockei leagu memori drive suit tulsa phone fax founder and presid rai miron commission mont miron market director jim goodman inform director eric kolb each team own leagu local intrest control dai dai oper work agreement and nhl affili each team each team salari cap for total player dress each team limit visa mean player american ignor thi rule you tulsa had american roster playoff team plai wichita tulsa oklahoma citi memphi fort worth and dalla futur expans plan includ houston san antonio baton roug rock paso albuquerqu tuscon and amarillo austin possibl dalla move houston and san antonio for thi fall baton roug and rock like for team fort worth fire wichita thunder arena tarrant conv cen kansa coliseum color red and black blue silver and black georg branum bill shuck coach pete mahavolich doug sheddan phone fire season tix singl tix radio announc dalla freez tulsa oiler arena fair park coliseum civic center color teal and black orang and blue tom koch jeff lund coach ron flockhart gari unger person guardian phone puck season tix rai and mont singl tix miron radio ksky ktrt announc bruce levin jeff brucculeri mark stone jeff bowen memphi river king oklahoma citi blazer arena mid south coliseum myriad state fair arena color gold and black red yellow and black jim rigg brad lund coach steve carlson mike mcewen phone puck season tix singl tix radio krec wwl announc dave woloshin john brook tom stocker brian barnhart regular season stand otl pt pim avg attdnc cap oklahoma citi blazer tulsa ic oiler dalla freez memphi riverk fort worth fire wichita thunder playoff tulsa defeat dalla game wllwwlw oklahoma citi defeat memphi game wwllww levin trophi final tulsa defeat oklahoma citi game wwlww playoff mvp toni fior tulsa special vote rai and mont miron team team dalla fort worth memphi oklahoma citi tulsa wichita dalla fort worth memphi oklahoma citi tulsa wichita power plai statist penalti killng statist ppg opp shga pct ppg save opp shg pct okla citi okla citi tulsa dalla dalla tulsa fort worth wichita wichita memphi memphi fort worth penalti record min game gross oppn pim avg minor major bench misc misc misc match pim wichita fort worth memphi dalla okla citi tulsa score period period period period overtim shootout total dalla fort worth memphi okla citi tulsa wichita star team posit team second team goaltend toni martino tulsa robert desjardin wichita tie alan perri oklahoma citi tie defensemen dave doucett dalla mike berger dalla gui girouard oklahoma citi tom karali tulsa center carl boudreau oklahoma citi joe burton oklahoma citi left wing sylvain fleuri oklahoma citi doug lawrenc tulsa wing daniel larin oklahoma citi tom mutch memphi tie sylvain naud tulsa tie regular season mvp sylvain fleuri oklahoma citi rooki year bobbi desjardin wichita lead defenseman dave doucett dalla lead goaltend toni martino tulsa score leader point team pt goal team fleuri sylvain okc fleuri sylvain okc lawrenc doug tul larin daniel okc naud sylvain tul mutch tom mem mutch tom mem thibodeau ken mem hall taylor tul naud sylvain tul thibodeau ken mem taylor jason dal anchikoski wayn dal boudreau carl okc assist team larin daniel okc lawrenc doug tul taylor jason dal fleuri sylvain okc dent ted wch naud sylvain tul sanderson mike ftw doucett dave dal gatti dave wch hall taylor tul nobili mario tul girouard gui okc cyr keith wch amario peter mem penalti minut team pim johnston scot mem aubrei ron ftw burton joe okc karali tom tul simoni steve okc johnson craig okc hornak ernest ftw neish greg wch fior toni tul batten john mem doucett dave dal taylor jason dal lead goaltend game team gpi min gaa otl save save pct martino toni tul perri alan okc zanier mike dal mindjimba antoin mem smith greg dal desjardin bobbi wch bellei roch ftw goali team gpi min gaa otl save save pct flatt brian tul krake paul okc loewen jami tul ocello matt ftw ocello matt tul total raymond eric tul hara michael ftw vasko steve mem trentadu rocco ftw trentadu rocco okc total harvei alain wch gosselin yannick wch gosselin yannick okc total caton murrai wch mcdonnel dan tul sauer tul clark joel wch wachter steve wch marc dee foster contact for chl
rec.sport.hockey	info unit state coverag sundai april pittsburgh edt eastern time zone abc gari thorn and bill clement loui chicago cdt and mdt central mountain zone abc mike emerick and jim schoenfeld lo angel calgari pdt and adt pacif alaskan zone abc michael and john davidson tuesdai april pittsburgh edt nationwid espn gari thorn and bill clement thursdai april and saturdai april announc edt nationwid espn announc canadian coverag sundai april buffalo boston edt nationwid tsn tuesdai april pittsburgh edt nationwid tsn wednesdai april loui chicago edt nationwid tsn
rec.sport.hockey	octopu detroit watch detroit minnesota game last night and thought octopu ic ysebaert score tie game two custom throw octopus ic detroit not respons dain bramag harold zazula dlmqc cunyvm cuni edu hzazula alehous acc edu
rec.sport.hockey	flyer thi year biggest and worst opinion articl apr cbnewsh att seth cbnewsh att peter clark write word roussel shut shark and soderstrom shut penguin that immateri coach decis come joe you plai signific plai irrelev low gaa good team low gaa bad team context compar two goaltend low gaa higher gaa low gaa good team higher gaa bad team context compar two goaltend start not argu goaltend soderstrom that roussel can netmind gaa differ half goal per game that last night save percentag close and record similar and that don you can label roussel disappoint player flyer thi season you soderstrom plai competit that know roussel perform game score team pittsburgh defens kei san jose for roussel ranger game two real score chanc made great plai save mistak player you judg roussel that game alon you not judg roussel that game alon plai for past two season philli and that hershei opinion take thought that mark laforest never wendel young bat judg hershei talent sinc hextal era for ranger game you can save mistak offens player you rou had leg posit make save didn wouldn matter ranger player didn puck not goal breakawai that goali and forc shooter beat you tie hab you goali stand head that shutout that goali action roussel doesn game that rememb roussel excel job pittsurgh open night give flyer tie two time defend champ and not soderstrom senat that game again hab you can that montreal player had open net shoot point that game and flat miss mistak offens and defens part game never shutout happi flyer soderstrom and roussel and not argu anymor current game win streak and expect soar for year don want piss you point that you don sell ticket season joe dake microelectron union boulevard allentown flyer alux jmd jmd aluxpo att
rec.sport.hockey	goali mask tom barrasso wore great mask time last season unveil game boston black pgh citi scene golden triangl pgh downtown area river meet grace top steel mill side and civic arena back helmet pen logo fat penguin blue scarf current time pen logo and space for current logo tommi had design mask and mother artist paint for wear mask pen thump bruin game tommi back paint job great mask goali superstit lori
rec.sport.hockey	pen info need articl apr jyu mikkot romulu math jyu mikko tarkiainen write coach new alpo suhonen jet jokerit verifi bori majorov jokerit tappara vasili tichonov assat san jose shark assist coach sakari pietila lulea silver team elit serien wow that reason current assist coach drew ramenda hint that won back for new mikko can you finnish netter comment tichonov calgari flame macinni for norri gari robert for hart and smyth edmonton oiler for playoff year stai edmonton nelson claudiu leland stanford edu rec sport hockei contact for san jose shark
rec.sport.hockey	octopu detroit articl dlmqc cunyvm bitnet harold zazula dlmqc cunyvm bitnet write watch detroit minnesota game last night and thought octopu ic ysebaert score tie game two squid tradit aliv kinda fish unh game custom throw octopus ic detroit not respons dain bramag harold zazula dlmqc cunyvm cuni edu hzazula alehous acc edu
rec.sport.hockey	schedul for week articl apr yuma acn colost edu mmb lamar colost edu michael burger write unit state schedul april devil island pittsburgh est abc eastern time zone april loui chicago cdt abc cent mou time zone april lo angel calgari pdt abc pacif time zone april devil island pittsburgh espn april tba espn april tba espn supplement basic mike info for sunddai open abc announc crew devil isl pittsburgh gari thorn plai plai bill clement color and morganti roam hall dress room thi telecast will primarili east coast loui chicago mike emrick plai plai jim schoendfeld color and tom mee roam hall thi telecast will primarili midwest and part south calgari you mircal michael plai plai john davidson color and mark jone roam report thi telecast will western usa montreal naitiv jon saunder will host studio abc will and close and person mario saturdai wide world sport edt sundai will nhl playoff regular network telecast year not count silli star game nbc for last year for sundai game abc will us mike goal super super slo close up player face face off espn abc will not us favorit toi ic level shot pittsburgh seat remov emploi case blowout progress pittsburgh abc will switch chicago game will come back pittsburgh game for updat game get closer abc expect huge rate hockei standard sinc top market involv metro area island devil chicago blackhawk and king stai tune mike ppv mark
rec.sport.hockey	rumour keenan sign ranger upi clarinet relai scoop toronto sun that star star that iron mike keenan come agreement york ranger for season interestingli thi come dai time sport had editori ranger pat rilei care happen season gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	minu stat articl apr sol uvic gballent hudson uvic write articl blue ci pitt edu jrmst pitt edu joseph mcdonald write jagr higher franci had point and inform observ ronni franci had season jaromir jagr thi not jaro had decent year didn live expect bowman tend overplai franci time bowman style player plai hard time doesn disregard defens respons and good leader bowman reward increas ic time jagr can arrog and juvenil and displai attitud thi rub bowman wrong and caus lose ic time year franci consist reciev ic time jagr althouhg never stat thi subject pretti that jagr had point per minut plai that franci you add that jagr rate becom evid that jagr had season not that franci had bad becom evid that you determin flaunt your ignor cost jagr not season franci suggest insult modicum hockei knowledg save your almost maniac devot almighti minu mislead hockei stat nhl publish quantifi statist includ ic time per game and measur qualiti player put kei situat protect lead late game match team top two line short hand etc disappear altogeth dubiou merit trumpet understand implic brad brad gibson internet gibson geop ubc dept geophys astronomi main mall phone univers british columbia fax vancouv british columbia canada
rec.sport.hockey	hockei and hispan commun articl saross starbas spd louisvil edu saross starbas spd louisvil edu stacei ross write odin corp sgi rickc wriglei corp sgi richard casar write you hard time sell sport commun that can plai account avail financi reason hockei pretti sport for white and white not hockei season ticket owner lowest averag incom major north american sport you basi for thi claim stat playboi magazin june percentag pro footbal fan attend colleg percentag pro basebal fan attend colleg percentag pro basketbal fan attend colleg percentag pro hockei fan attend colleg percentag pro footbal fan earn percentag pro basebal fan make percentag pro basketbal fan make percentag pro hackei fan make and major hockei player come farm boondock saskatchewan weedvil alberta biggest advantag that kid boondock weedvil avail ic san jose area popul and that popul serv ic arena contrast kamloop british columbia popul and rink myriad pond pool etc that freez winter hard find kid bicycl hard find kid pair skate and you california that born and rais trail british columbia town lot ic winter father radio plai plai for local team trail smokeat last canadian team win world championship back skate almost walk and plai recreat hockei for year last time you hockei leagu citi insur alon big barrier citi isn place that poor biggest barrier hockei citi ic plai lack ic big factor cost bigger factor kid plai for santa clara vallei hockei associ and thi season end cost per kid for membership hockei usa per kid for club due hockei usa fee cover excess medic insur and club due cover ic time offici trophi etc area similar fee citi govern subsidis cost stockton ic arena locat call citi area eastridg and vallco except redwood citi rink industri area bai berkelei ashbi and martin luther king stockton oak park sacramento older section downtown forget name street fresno edg town west santa rosa nice rink older section town dublin town rink and expens run huge electr bill and insur premium you want bui ic time expect pai per hour rink give you minut hour for your monei give you minut hour and includ resurfac time fee alan hepburn man doesn nation semiconductor doesn santa clara alan berlioz nsc thoma carlyl
rec.sport.hockey	octopu detroit david
rec.sport.hockey	rumour keenan sign ranger articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write upi clarinet relai scoop toronto sun that star star that iron mike keenan come agreement york ranger for season interestingli thi come dai time sport had editori ranger pat rilei care happen season rumour basic toronto base report that keenan told san jose and philadelphia that longer interest pursu negoti team ranger announc suppos happen tomorrow supposedli ranger veteran that had coach weight and proven record and messier respect gerald
rec.sport.hockey	blackhawk win hawk win jermei roenick score goal and hawk put leaf place loser column leaf can not even beat hawk match that had mean will hate wing btw laugh that jerki hawk
rec.sport.hockey	octopu detroit harold zazula dlmqc cunyvm bitnet write watch detroit minnesota game last night and thought octopu ic ysebaert score tie game two custom throw octopus ic detroit long stand good luck redw tradit throw octopu ic stanlei cup game date back olympia wing team sweep cup game lot hardet throw joe loui seat olympia balconi funniest tiger fan threw field detroit toronto basebal game live california and folk watch had never heard hockei and incredul recogn octopu camera closeup
rec.sport.hockey	blackhawk win apr vax cn edu jbrown vax cn muskingum edu write hawk win jermei roenick score goal and hawk put leaf place loser column leaf can not even beat hawk match that had mean will hate wing btw laugh that jerki you not refer maynard initi you norri final ron and major goal leav presid set thing worri get bore read problem paper decad decad want peopl deal problem presid bill clinton
rec.sport.hockey	minu stat articl qmtd innr iskut uc ubc gibson nukta geop ubc brad gibson write articl apr sol uvic gballent hudson uvic write articl blue ci pitt edu jrmst pitt edu joseph mcdonald write jagr higher franci had point and inform observ ronni franci had season jaromir jagr thi not jaro had decent year didn live expect bowman tend overplai franci time bowman style player plai hard time doesn disregard defens respons and good leader bowman reward increas ic time jagr can arrog and juvenil and displai attitud thi rub bowman wrong and caus lose ic time year franci consist reciev ic time jagr althouhg never stat thi subject pretti that jagr had point per minut plai that franci you add that jagr rate becom evid that jagr had season not that franci had bad becom evid that you determin flaunt your ignor cost jagr not season franci suggest insult modicum hockei knowledg save your almost maniac devot almighti minu mislead hockei stat nhl publish quantifi statist includ ic time per game and measur qualiti player put kei situat protect lead late game match team top two line short hand etc disappear altogeth dubiou merit trumpet understand implic you for post thi person brought fact that jagr higher franci can assur you that brought exampl absurd comparison even team never thought that argu that jagr higher reflect two plai opinion franci low pure result ask plai oppon top scorer time fact that can chip point neutral team top center testament valuabl even suffer hand jagr for big fast and skill can even point matter inflat don wrong jagr lazi floater turn exactli time overtim playoff game roland dreier dreier math berkelei edu
rec.sport.hockey	presid trophi winner miss playoff jstrangi hora sea upenn edu jim strangio write articl apr mcgill ccdb musica mcgill ccdb write last time presid trophi winner fell last place year long time bet montreal canadian finish presid cup dai and miss playoff recal that playoff pictur wasn decid final dai ranger defeat redw tie breaker number goal for rememb correctli ranger plai empti net for entir game hab loyalist accus wing throw game recal gordi and delvecchio had flu coach sid abel sat and ranger swarm redw night
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rec.sport.hockey	keenan sign ranger heard new that mike keenan blackhawk flyer and gener siberian prison sign coach ranger ranger won presid cup last year slip bit end season and destin finish last lowli flyer flyer fan disappoint keenan decis interest cap connin
rec.sport.hockey	ahl final stand final american hockei leagu stand northern divis pt lyf provid bruin adirondack red wing capit district isl springfield indian haven senat southern divis pt lyf binghamton ranger rochest american utica devil baltimor skipjack hershei bear hamilton canuck atlant divis pt lyf john mapl leaf fredericton canadien cape breton oiler moncton hawk halifax citadel last year point total leagu record total bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruin contact for rec sport hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu
rec.sport.hockey	devil and island tiebreak island beat devil tonight finish ident record lucki team that get face penguin open round can list rule for break ti
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team milwauke read report nhl move milwauke that milwauke nhl team thought pass stori heard recent thi second hand don true reason doubt bradlei center milwauke home milwauke admir minor leaug hockei team owner admir can rememb name own shell major fund build bradlei center supposedli approach nhl expans franchis turn thought franchis fee million high don whether thi stori true rumor true don for nhl team milwauke anytim admir aren forc build and you won nhl club and minor leagu club build sinc nba milwauke buck plai charli betz crai research inc chippewa fall cbetz romulu crai
rec.sport.hockey	beat pittsburgh articl apr guvax acc georgetown edu apanjabi guvax acc georgetown edu write beat pittsburgh iii kevin steven fight call bob probert call tie domi call grandmoth kick ass yeah you grand mother bet joseph stiehm
rec.sport.hockey	rumour keenan sign ranger golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write ranger announc suppos happen tomorrow supposedli press confer ranger veteran that had coach weight and proven record and messier respect interestingli keenan coach number team canada world championship roger neilsen interest ranger call balanc neilsen contract keenan assist roger good job mediocr player handl cinderella canuck year ago mistak plai ranger canuck last gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	patrick playoff thi jan brittenson write last year pen weak spot defens and goaltend boston boston doesn gun pen pen doesn defens goaltend and disciplin boston boston can you thi pen and bruin plai number game and number goal ti for and fourth defens leagu chicago and toronto second pen weak spot defens comparison offens second leagu detroit pen weaker defens and goaltend bruin that strong terri
rec.sport.hockey	finland sweden nhl team helsinki stockholm nhl expans finland jyrki lumm teppo numminen peter ahola don defend lumm and numminen jari kurri christian ruuttu you that ruuttu worth teemu selann compar kurri selann point high let make canada cup and world championship larg due effort marku ketter goali player list and luck lot decent player finland that wouldn superstar highest level valuabl role player guess that finnish canada cup team team nhl wow you don player gui nieminen jutila riihijarvi varvio laukkanen makela keskinen and even ag ruotsalainen main differ finnish and north american player that player tend larger rink canadian defend slower that defend europ and that success ketter and luck help that main reason that team work togeth howl howl gargl howl gargl howl howl howl gargl howl gargl howl howl gargl gargl howl gargl gargl gargl howl slurrp uuuurgh prostetn vogon jeltz marko poutiainen mep phoenix oulu
rec.sport.hockey	devil and island tiebreak hockei guru espn island win tonit two team will record devil will plai penguin thi island won season seri devil rule for decid tie breaker includ season seri goal goal for thi order correct wrong add craig island
rec.sport.hockey	octopu detroit jaracz plymouth edu write articl dlmqc cunyvm bitnet harold zazula dlmqc cunyvm bitnet write watch detroit minnesota game last night and thought octopu ic ysebaert score tie game two squid tradit aliv kinda fish unh game understand octapu appar number year ago fan threw octapu ic and announc octapi will not occupi ic that and happen sinc fan cheer pick dead octapu hand and boo us shovel matt uva
rec.sport.hockey	devil and island tiebreak articl ldi odin corp sgi enolan sharkbit esd sgi nolan write island beat devil tonight finish ident record lucki team that get face penguin open round can list rule for break ti not tie breaker rule island win god win island win seri and advanc ask interject opinion mater concern island mean come jet bad jet for
rec.sport.hockey	minu stat articl qmtd innr iskut uc ubc gibson nukta geop ubc brad gibson write respons debat season jagr franci jagr had point per minut ic time stat don exist properli analyz thi and had substanci becom evid that you determin flaunt your ignor cost jagr not season franci suggest insult modicum hockei knowledg save your almost maniac devot almighti minu mislead hockei stat nhl publish quantifi statist includ ic time per game and measur qualiti player put kei situat protect lead late game match team top two line short hand etc disappear altogeth dubiou merit trumpet understand implic statist player ic team score lot goal and goal compar teammat plai for team and roughli similar rate equal good player can adjust vari degre success compar player team agre nice for nhl statist that you suggest total ic time miss stat jagr franci argument measur qualiti ic time you suggest useless stat for evalu coach player qualiti ic time talent good player low amount qualiti ic time team depth stupid coach doesn recogn talent and bad player lot qualiti ic time lack team depth stupid coach that think effect player thi stat flaw and almost conclus drawn player talent stat quit evalu player talent you displai ignor your unwilling that ic goal score not allow posit thing and evalu such gregmeist
rec.sport.hockey	result april articl apr ericsson etxonss ufsa ericsson staffan axelsson write world championship germani game shown
rec.sport.hockey	abc coverag gerald olchowi write clement pleasant person aggravatingli pleasant opinion terribl analyst almost alwai wrong prototyp exampl jersei goal last sundai grew dick irvin color besid danni gallivan knew irvin dick irvin friend mine bill clement you aren dick irvin long team involv not includ nation team york ranger john davidson bill clement dai person mean that exactli clement and emrick hand pompou bull head arrog real turn exactli complaint clement that sometim talk want that listen tim mcgarver basebal game mom
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rec.sport.hockey	wirtz weeni dean new penguin announc yesterdai that will fewer broadcast game and will game sort subscript pai per view system yuck thi incorrect thi year pen had game free and game ppv year will game free and subscript basi you free game last year and will radio game you home and read paper full detail that for make post base wduq new sport relat item wrong ralph
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain quot cire trehguad cyt michael collingridg write and subject captain trade resign stripe titl season team captain trivia appreci cyt cyt wasn ron franci captain whaler trade cyt pittsburgh cyt and rick tochett captain flyer trade pen cyt recent cyt caleb cyt and not forget that jersei devil trade cyt captain kirk muller for stephen richer and chorsk cyt man hate that trade for team captain trade year nhl edmonton oiler trade captain ron chiperfield quebec nordiqu trade deadlin for goaltend ron low second year exist edmonton oiler trade deadlin trade captain thi time mcdonald vancouv canuck right winger ken berri for garri larivier and right lar gunner petterson for captain trivia edmonton captain lee fogilin trade buffalo sabr wayn gretzki trade kevin low thi year trade ranger that captain edmonton oiler had trade present captain craig mctavish and wait and talk you steve answer short correct dumb free blue wave qwk
rec.sport.hockey	goodby good riddanc lost star articl sm busi uwo lawren sm busi uwo stephen lawrenc write goodby minnesota you never earn nhl franchis place whatta weird town whatta ass skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	nhlpa poll partial stat result peopl send poll closer njd deep team two capabl goali and excel forward and defensemen shooter richer todd chef stasni master thousand dish power plai captain steven number plai and for
rec.sport.hockey	detroit playoff tradit back earli year win garner stanlei cup soooooo coupl local fish monger local joe loui arena that start tradit throw octopi ic win each victori leg sever octopu found ic dead brilliant market strategi shore demand for popular product hope thi help lang
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rec.sport.hockey	devil and island tiebreak articl lfa murdoch acc virginia edu cal csissun virginia edu craig allen lori write hockei guru espn island win tonit two team will record devil will plai penguin thi island won season seri devil rule for decid tie breaker includ season seri goal goal for thi order correct wrong add thought win goal for gerald
rec.sport.hockey	finland sweden nhl team helsinki stockholm nhl expans apr ousrvr oulu mep phoenix oulu marko poutiainen write finland jyrki lumm teppo numminen peter ahola don defend lumm and numminen correct for numminen and lumm teemu selann compar kurri selann point high let make kurri point low for kurri and for sel nne canada cup and world championship larg due effort marku ketter goali player list and luck lot decent player finland that wouldn superstar highest level valuabl role player guess that finnish canada cup team team nhl wow you don player gui nieminen jutila riihijarvi varvio laukkanen makela keskinen and even ag ruotsalainen main differ finnish and north american player that player tend larger rink canadian defend slower that defend europ and that success ketter and luck help that main reason that team work togeth that true game europ compar nhl north am rican small rink and european larg rink averag european player sweden finland russian tsech slovakia skater and puckhandl nhl colleagu defend nhl slow and clumsi sel nne that finnish leagu game base skill nhl finland couldn breakawai defend averag skater nhl alpo suhonen that nhl sel nne speed accentu clumsi defensemen admit that player come canada regular aren skil regular european leagu top european level north american lemieux class tommi
rec.sport.hockey	rumour keenan sign ranger articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write interestingli keenan coach number team canada world championship roger neilsen ultim hockei philosophi night and dai keenan believ pressur opposit and take initi limit system roger reactiv hockei philosophi messier will and plai for keenan thought roger loser interest ranger call balanc neilsen contract keenan assist roger good job mediocr player handl cinderella canuck year ago mistak plai ranger canuck last roger great assist coach bad blood nielson and messier mistak bring back even that role gerald
rec.sport.hockey	minu stat meaningless compar player minu statist anoth player context role and plai time player involv compar jagr and franci minu ridicul and absurd gerald
rec.sport.hockey	detroit playoff tradit articl apr reg triumf lang reg triumf thread canadian tapestri write back earli year win garner stanlei cup soooooo coupl local fish monger local joe loui arena that start tradit throw octopi ic win each victori leg sever octopu found ic dead brilliant market strategi shore demand for popular product hope thi help lang local joe loui arena you mean local olympia stadium red wing game plai fairli recent earli come mind rest post basic correct you meant local simpli detroit and incred picki that david nichol senior statist support specialist spss inc phone internet nichol spss fax correl view and spss strictli due chanc
rec.sport.hockey	goali mask updat articl acsu buffalo edu hammerl acsu buffalo edu valeri hammerl write articl hydra gatech edu gtd prism gatech edu hrivnak write result dai vote rememb pt for for and for you can turn vote and gui isn regular goali retir includ team for your time and send vote glenn heali nyi tommi soderstron rai leblanc usa soderstrom plai philli doesn mould mask helmet and cage varieti white that wore thirteen hour ago yeah soderstrom mask appear lot bigger averag helmet and cage varieti appeal josh valeri hammerl dai remind not hammerl acsu buffalo edu mario lemieux herb brook claud acscvjh ubm buffalo edu lemieux top scorer for devil pwwpz ubvm buffalo edu for take dumb penalti
rec.sport.hockey	stop maynard bash roger maynard articl apr sol uvic gballent hudson uvic write reciev annoi email roger maynard whenev post articl tell leav alon and stop post group email fill insult usual roger post and hockei info reciev two last dai wonder special roger try bulli disagre gregmeist you can and colleagu not receiv bad mail roger fact roger happen answer not hockei question and curios you start flame roger your nasti attitud roger and steve lee univers western ontario london canada lee obelix gaul csd uwo
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rec.sport.hockey	goali mask poll articl hydra gatech edu gtd prism gatech edu hrivnak write updat goali mask poll sinc peopl gave decid give pt for favorit pt for for you mail respons gave pt feel free send your favorit you vote mask you will receiv vote for player not nhl mention team plai for date result vote andi moog belfour vanbiesbrouck bruin hot time rich beskosti rbeskost east sun
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rec.sport.hockey	stop maynard bash roger maynard apr julian uwo lee gaul csd uwo steve lee write articl apr sol uvic gballent hudson uvic write reciev annoi email roger maynard whenev post articl tell leav alon and stop post group email fill insult usual roger post and hockei info reciev two last dai wonder special roger try bulli disagre gregmeist you can and colleagu not receiv bad mail roger fact roger happen answer not hockei question and curios you start flame roger your nasti attitud roger and steve lee univers western ontario london canada lee obelix gaul csd uwo speak roger comment last night game you admit can make noth game sound game stanlei cup final roger push leaf even bother long time support good idea game wow gave compliment guess stop rye water give anoth
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rec.sport.hockey	minu stat brad gibson gibson nukta geop ubc wrote text delet minu mislead hockei stat not necessarili mislead you proper perspect shine exampl you penguin individu you will find minus that make common sens sinc didn lose game nhl publish quantifi statist includ ic time per game and measur qualiti player put kei situat protect lead late game match team top two line short hand etc disappear altogeth dubiou merit trumpet understand implic you will ridicul number stat come statist show player enjoi game and not overanalyz excus tom huot huot crai
rec.sport.hockey	minu stat gerald olchowi golchowi alchemi chem utoronto wrote meaningless compar player minu statist anoth player context role and plai time player involv compar jagr and franci minu ridicul and absurd gerald you for put thi perspect tom huot huot crai
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rsa data secur inc rsadsi california base compani special cryptograph technolog public kei partner firm hold exclus sub licens right patent and foreign patent cryptograph apparatu and method diffi hellman public kei cryptograph apparatu and method hellman merkl cryptograph commun system and method rsa exponenti cryptograph apparatu and method hellman pohlig pkp claim patent cover method public kei cryptographi two busi close relat for exampl person jim bidzo presid pkp licens thi technolog consider number compani ibm dec motorola lotu for us product pkp threaten and file lawsuit defend patent ripem origin creat connect rsadsi us rsaref librari and for reason author desir widespread us public kei cryptographi ball start roll peopl rsadsi interest rsadsi decid carri ripem ftp site and peopl start make ripem kei and contribut code ripem even won applic built rsaref award ripem public kei similar ripem public kei begin pkc public kei cryptographi standard identifi describ characterist kei bunch charact your kei lot peopl kei thi not mean your kei similar that class kei gener program length etc pgp pgp anoth cryptograph mail program call pretti good privaci pgp longer ripem and work somewhat differ pgp not compat ripem pgp us rsa major differ pgp and ripem pgp kei manag featur for user direct network connect ripem conform pem rfc and greater probabl work pem softwar pgp make attempt compat ripem rsaref librari rsa routin rsadsi come licens allow noncommerci us pgp implement rsa pkp claim that violat patent make us sell pgp canada licens written permiss disclaim rsadsi pkp phil zimmermann author pgp stop distribut threaten legal action believ that licens scheme arrang hasn happen and prospect happen futur acknowledg pgp user guid fact you live usa and you not feder agenc you shouldn run pgp your comput public kei partner forbid you run softwar pgp contraband pgp and ripem export restrict and cannot and canada export licens pgp exist ftp site europ and place whether you us pgp ripem document pgp recommend read interest such issu not distribut separ program can difficult find ftp site due liabil concern rpem rpem stand for rabin privaci enhanc mail similar ripem us public kei cipher invent rabin not rsa attempt avoid patent public kei system written mark riordan wrote ripem distribut halt contrari belief includ rabin pkp claim that patent broad cover cipher emploi thi claim not univers accept not challeng for pragmat reason rpem not us anymor not compat ripem pgp mime mime stand for multipurpos internet mail extens and describ rfc you can find newsgroup comp mail mime faq exist pem interact mime not clear peopl us stopgap solut mime type applic ripem order send ripem messag mime hope standard will emerg draft internet document exist matter ti pem trust inform system work version privaci enhanc mail for gener avail last heard rumor integr into exist mail user agent stand alon system and beta test don that thi simpl defeat secur ripem you check companion post ripem attack discuss obviou attack ripem secur and procedur will minim risk ripem main weak area kei distribut
sci.crypt	ripem frequent note vulner archiv name ripem attack last updat mar attack ripem thi live list potenti weak your ey open for ripem for secur electron mail not into great detail and almost not exhaust weak weak cryptograph secur mail gener and will pertain secur mail program ripem maintain marc vanheyningen mvanheyn indiana edu post monthli varieti new group followup pertain specif ripem alt secur ripem cryptanalysi attack break rsa attack find your privat kei case read mail encrypt you and sign messag your privat kei rsa gener believ resist standard cryptanalyt techniqu even standard kei bit ripem long render thi impract bar huge invest hardwar breakthrough factor break de attack read messag sinc messag encrypt de not attack claim you de bit kei and conceiv compromis brute forc suffici hardwar agenc such monei devot simpli read messag sinc each messag de kei work for each messag remain high kei manag attack steal your privat kei benefit break rsa safeguard encrypt de kei deriv passphras you type attack can copi your privat keyfil and your passphras snoop network packet tap line break scheme main risk that transfer passphras privat kei file across untrust link don that run ripem trust machin prefer sit front you ideal your machin your home offic physic access fool you into accept bogu public kei for oppon deceiv you into send secret messag real recipi enemi can fool your intend recipi encrypt messag bogu public kei and pass import proper public kei peopl common mechan for thi finger assum oppon not compromis router daemon such finger can fair amount trust strongest method kei authent exchang kei person thi not practic peopl vouch for you sign statement contain your kei ripem doesn featur for thi automat pgp ripem gener and check fingerprint public kei kei file exchang separ channel for authent playback attack even oppon cannot break cryptographi oppon difficulti for exampl suppos you send messag mic pem mode not provid disclosur protect alic that your oppon intercept and resend bob messag authent you tell that interpret context your oppon transmit messag recipi figur differ time oppon chang origin name regist your public kei and send messag hope recipi will send return mail indic perhap even quot unknown messag defeat playback attack plaintext each messag includ indic sender and recipi and uniqu identifi typic date good front end script for ripem thi automat imho recipi you that origin name header and sender plaintext that you recipi and that messag not thi can and autom author thi faq made modest attempt autom process gener and check encapsul header program includ standard distribut util directori local attack secur ripem cannot greater secur machin encrypt perform for exampl unix super user manag your encrypt mail plan and effort replac ripem execut trojan hors copi plaintext depend store addit link you and machin run ripem extens that you decrypt ripem remot machin you connect network wors modem eavesdropp plaintext and your passphras ripem execut system you trust extrem case ripem us your machin you total control and access carefulli examin softwar free virus and real trade conveni and secur moder cautiou user us ripem unix workstat peopl access even root access increas secur keep privat kei and static link execut floppi disk peopl will ripem multi user system dial insecur line will download messag system and perform ripem decrypt secur provid such mechan somewhat illusori sinc you type your cleartext password log you store sinc attack can log you and instal trap your account steal your privat kei time you us insecur line thi will like remain situat long system us quaint mechan cleartext password authent find nice put statement carefulli manag secur arrang plan public kei that potenti correspond can awar level precaut place peopl us two kei short not carefulli manag for ordinari us and longer treat greater care for critic correspond untrust partner attack ripem encrypt will ensur that person privat kei public kei us encrypt data read traffic onc that kei get messag make kind transform wish exist cryptograph barrier recipi take encrypt messag and convert mic messag sign you and readabl ripem not provid thi function latest pem draft specif state that such transform forward function work includ recipi plaintext mention will make for recipi redistribut messag awar origin natur natur secur cryptographi can never greater secur peopl
sci.crypt	certifi author question answer you access ftp ftping rsa login anonym document includ frequent ask question todai cryptographi document faq name thi document explain idea certifi author good luck john kelsei mizzou missouri edu ftp faq file and for jim miller suit
sci.crypt	rubber hose cryptanalysi sick part like that phrase threat long prison sentenc even beat can peopl give punctuat trip counti jail happen lock drunk stone crazi folk that violent left cell peopl
sci.crypt	declassifi media urban legend thi crypt faq suffici clear declassifi magnet media us for classifi data inform hors mouth suffici overwrit media clear meant retain control environ declassifi materi reus control environ nation telecommun and inform system secur ntiss advisori memorandum offic autom secur guidelin ntissam compusec clear magnet media type remov media magnet tape floppi disk cassett and magnet card clear overwrit entir media time charact floppi disk clear appli vendor format program that overwrit each locat charact fix media winchest disk clear overwrit time charact thi appli vendor suppli format program that overwrit each locat disk charact can shown that thi program work advertis user bewar program that purport overwrit locat not thi clear media resid control facil releas for destruct mark and control level restrict sensit inform record declassif magnet media type remov media can declassifi degauss devic that approv for declassifi media that type list approv devic maintain nsa fix medium for exampl hard winchest disk oper approv method declassifi disk pack emploi overwrit procedur overwrit address locat time write charact complement binari and binari zero altern fix media becom inop imposs declassifi media overwrit method thi case two altern procedur that us disassembl disk pack and degauss each platter approv degauss equip and courier inop media vendor facil magnet media disk platter remov sight courier and return courier for destruct secur site vendor can instal platter and repair problem disk unit destruct magnet media dod comput secur center depart defens magnet reman secur guidelin csc std for offici us thi and interest document that inform intend comput secur procedur can obtain free execut secretari nation telecommun and inform system secur committe nation secur agenc fort georg mead write fun nsa mail list gradi netcom
sci.crypt	hard drive secur for fbi target re colnet cmhnet org rob stampfli separ locat gain credibl seiz and you compel decrypt you simpli explain that you amateur cryptologist plai time pad and that file pad for second xor two file and pop copi war and peac judg recent histori thi point drop origin charg preemptiv find you guilti copyright violat and seiz your comput your home and your financi reserv feder forfeitur law happen that turn court anoth file exor your document famou document and you judg fall for
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sci.crypt	pgp gener comment neuhau vier informatik uni stephan neuhau hiwi mattern write lot stuff hate follow post perhap clarifi thing won flame talk factor modulu breakthrough factor mean breakthrough cryptanalysi rsa that factor and break rsa not proven equival damn conveni not repeat thi time admit that don group properti cipher essenti for kei chain thought can find that cryptanalyst exploit group structur that mean noth wrote note that long harder factor rsa modulu gener increas comput speed alon will kei length and modulu factor lock step peopl will simpli start longer moduli and safe meant that long advantag cryptanalyst faster comput will rsa for long time come even bit moduli broken fast comput not algorithm peopl simpli us longer moduli user and cryptanalyst benefit technolog hope thi flame fun stephan neuhau informatik uni sig close for inventori leav your pickax pgp public kei request note expir date
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sci.crypt	licens public kei implement regard your specul nsa involv creation pkp find that fail test occam butcher knife never attribut conspiraci can explain forthright greed hilari orman
sci.crypt	identifi secur file articl mash boulder rmashlan mash csn org robert mashlan write tarnold vnet ibm todd arnold articl almaden ibm long you trust end user stai your applic program long run system user can you can stop find load modul code your program and simpli bypass check for valid modul deviou user can modifi object code run program can run program debugg and chang instruct memori foil debugg clear singl step interrupt debugg depend instruct sensit area code thi assum person hardwar debug instruct type processor can negat nop ing clear debug instruct run code machin simul wrote senior project colleg can bypass and trace practic write softwar kind star trek holideck kenneth repli ken ei njit edu for thi elabor simul run devic sit tabl picard tng
sci.crypt	lga ncrypt sourc number request for code written asm borland tasm will tasm lga asm tlink lga asm code lga ncryption nick nassuphi code segment assum code code org start jmp begin ga particl assig bit particl move east bit particl move west bit particl move north bit particl move south bit particl move east bit particl move west bit particl move north bit particl move south collisiong rule ga rule and and for nibbl and for byte reflect rule swap bit direct thi tabl implement two particl collis for hpp lattic ga hpprule thi rule implement veloc revers need run ga evolut revers call wallrul particl hit wall head wallrul maxbyt equ lineno equ srcptr offset buffer desptr offset buffer savebuff maxbyt lineno dup buffer maxbyt lineno dup dup buffer maxbyt lineno dup dup data thi test for lattic ga base encrypt algorithm data encod particl digit ga time evolut simul cellular automaton type algorithm decrypt can achiev run simul revers thermodynam argument ensur that even singl bit flip decrypt data ga evolv for timestep can run revers evolut press space flip bit and run press for cryptograph applic kei consist number time step and time and locat specif bit invers fill ga piec code initga mov srcptr mov offset data mov lineno push push mov maxbyt mov mov inc inc loop pop pop add maxbyt loop mov srcptr mov offset initga mov maxbyt mov mov byte ptr not inc loop ret displai ga molecul bounc showga push push push push push mov mov mov srcptr mov mov lineno add maxbyt push push mov maxbyt mov mov byte ptr inc add dec jnz pop pop add loop pop pop pop pop pop ret sours data destin data scanonemiddlelin byte special case warparound mov assembl byte mov maxbyt north line lower and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt south line higher and and bit and place stuff into mov maxbyt west byte left lower and and bit and mov east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc middl byte can handl loop mov maxbyt sol mov assembl byte mov maxbyt north line lower and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt south line higher and and bit and place stuff into mov west byte left lower and and bit and mov east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc loop sol last byte special mov assembl byte mov maxbyt north line lower and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt south line higher and and bit and place stuff into mov west byte left lower and and bit and mov maxbyt east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc ret sours data destin data scanfirstlin byte special case warparound mov mov maxbyt lineno and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt and and bit and place stuff into mov maxbyt west byte left lower and and bit and mov east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc middl byte can handl loop mov maxbyt sfl mov assembl byte mov maxbyt lineno and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt and and bit and place stuff into mov west byte left lower and and bit and mov east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc loop sfl last byte special mov assembl byte mov maxbyt lineno and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt and and bit and place stuff into mov west byte left lower and and bit and mov maxbyt east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov ret sours data destin data scanlastlin byte special case warparound mov assembl byte mov maxbyt and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt lineno and and bit and place stuff into mov maxbyt west byte left lower and and bit and mov east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc middl byte can handl loop mov maxbyt sll mov assembl byte mov maxbyt and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt lineno and and bit and place stuff into mov west byte left lower and and bit and mov east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc loop sll last byte special mov assembl byte mov maxbyt and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt lineno and and bit and place stuff into mov west byte left lower and and bit and mov maxbyt east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc ret invert veloc ga invertal push push push mov srcptr mov mov lineno push mov maxbyt mov mov byte ptr offset wallrul mov inc loop pop loop pop pop pop ret iterateonc mov srcptr mov desptr mov srcptr mov desptr push push call scanfirstlin pop pop add maxbyt add maxbyt mov lineno dont scan and last push push push call scanonemiddlelin pop pop pop add maxbyt add maxbyt loop push push call scanlastlin pop pop ret iter hpp rule time iter push call iterateonc pop call showga loop iter ret iter hpp rule time iterateuntil mov mov offset offset mov byte ptr offset xor byte ptr offset inc loop call iterateonc call showga mov srcptr mov maxbyt mov mov mov mov byte ptr mov byte ptr wallrul not xor and inc loop mov mov offset offset mov byte ptr offset and xor byte ptr offset inc 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sci.crypt	illeg wiretap den trust articl ppg bigboot wpi edu ear bigwpi wpi edu neat write appar quit easi hold person call record phone compani polic and lawyer acquir such inform warrant judici supervis whether not target suspect specif crime pardon isn thi illeg impress that warrent need thi inform phone compani order protect peopl privaci legal not phone record obtain order establish probabl result word for fish expedit local worcest polic offic spoke coupl night ago told that subpeona phone compani record extrem condit hassl and phone compani requir written subpoena evid probabl order process request suggest that offic disinterest pursu your case even you prove offend had call you time your chanc win harass suit strength thi evid nil contact peopl dealt case extrem phone harass thousand call case teach that polic thi area quit letharg pursu such matter tal
sci.crypt	licens public kei implement strnlght netcom david sternlight write will provid hint report that rsa express puzzlement confer that ask for permiss us ripem write pgp compat program thi support bill specul backdoor rsaref and pkp support secretli nsa natur that will public kei implement that rsaref and will strongli oppos implement that doesn person cannot put backdoor long precis modular arithmet librari that come sourc fact that cannot mean noth regard vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev viru test center univers hamburg tel fax fachbereich informatik agn pgp public kei request vogt koelln strass mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg hamburg germani
sci.crypt	opinion alg markowitz dockmast ncsc mil write interest note thi regard that permiss export pkzip encrypt scheme twice deni nsa draw you conclus afraid that your inform slightli date pkware obtain licens export program world limit list countri draw your conclus strength algorithm regard vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev viru test center univers hamburg tel fax fachbereich informatik agn pgp public kei request vogt koelln strass mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg hamburg germani
sci.crypt	disk safeti measur cuffel spot colorado edu tim cuffel write guarante that delet space overwritten optim like guarante quicker and secur method batch file that overwrot your free space for exampl fill bat echo fill bat thi top head includ std disclaim easier faster and even secur us norton utilti talk ibm and wipeinfo clean free disk space and clean slack space end file us govern standard option for care overwrit regard vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev viru test center univers hamburg tel fax fachbereich informatik agn pgp public kei request vogt koelln strass mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg hamburg germani
sci.crypt	licens thi support bill specul backdoor rsaref and pkp support secretli nsa natur that will public kei implement that rsaref and will strongli oppos implement that doesn specul not includ depend trapdoor rsaref not that rsa consent such limit concept rsaref nsa interest interest limit number implement target interest fix kei maximum modulu size legitim liter pursu such interest bound pursu interest covert mean rest not disclos motiv and intent institut not awar not intent meaning sens william hugh murrai execut consult inform system secur locust avenu suit canaan connecticut att wmurrai whmurrai dockmast ncsc mil
sci.crypt	for trap door password encrypt etc algorithm michael levin wrote for refer algorithm can us for password encrypt clear text word run algorithm and becom sequenc symbol want thi algorithm properti that imposs revers and long word work even us high speed comput send refer idea mlevin husc harvard edu origin encrypt put into multic suggest joe weizenbaum invert air forc tiger team demonstr thi ask expert request anonym us expert suggest treat byte password kei and data for lucif encrypt algorithm similar ident de thi method stronger care issu discuss comp secur misc longer password and qualiti control user can choos password common tactic tom vanvleck talig
sci.crypt	hard drive secur for fbi target cme ellisun stratu carl ellison write for exampl had program disk creat total random file encrypt messag and demonstr that file question creat that program claim that fact creat that program stand true sinc innoc can prove wrong hmmm that bring neat idea sooo neat patent can you bill copyright william yerazuni aka crah merciless right reserv respons love smell flash powder morn smell theatr
sci.crypt	hard drive secur for fbi target articl apr ucsu colorado edu cuffel spot colorado edu tim cuffel write thi creat bunch set random data and encrypt set random data show that encypt random data for kick rest delet kei friend thi establish reason doubt content encrypt file and abil kei sinc thi law that forc user provid kei demand worthless law wors worthless polic power put innoc peopl jail polic find don understand polic don return kei never mind differ core file and classifi militari secret plenti scenario user idea uniniti junk burden proof user show that normal upstand citizen put that situat america disgust thi easili peopl provid bargain chip hypothet alleg child molest drug dealer bad thing style time basic peopl don clear distinct crimin and suspect analog find loos screw your hous and insist that you build bomb machin gun you you and you prove your claim you explain such simpl term peopl start idea matter fact random file disk reason special purpos hardwar take long time gener good random bit program that crank coupl bit per minut pretti conserv time that you point encrypt random data you random data you want data encrypt file you put header peopl thi will put jail you arrest and polic for your kei you can random junk won you you sit jail you can consol fact that govern will burn cpu year find that not joe kean amateur cryptologist jgk osc uunet amdcad osc jgk
sci.crypt	hard drive secur for fbi target articl osc joe kean jgk osc write matter fact random file disk reason special purpos hardwar take long time gener good random bit program that crank coupl bit per minut pretti conserv time that sound program interest post alt sourc
sci.crypt	hard drive secur articl fkj rpi edu antonh rpi edu write can send info encrpyt hard disk consequ type action chose futur thi countri and european countri peopl encrypt note notebook for hundr year thousand long tradit date back alchemist noth bad happen assum that noth bad happen you thi long histori establish encrypt properti individu disclaim opinion express carl ellison cme stratu stratu comput inc bkw tel fairbank boulevard marlborough fax
sci.crypt	licens public kei implement articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu jebright magnu ac ohio state edu jame ebright write guess will wait for time futur such good crypto that nsa job agenc will disband and file open appropr histor delai you overlook fundament truth headcount and budget govern agenc monoton increas function that truth you for agenc can occupi peopl and spend that monei crypto unbreak perhap talk world telephon compani into make equip break into and tap convinc peopl that distribut comput good idea that even intern state process for access wiretap disclaim opinion express carl ellison cme stratu stratu comput inc bkw tel fairbank boulevard marlborough fax
sci.crypt	hard drive secur for fbi target rja cam ross anderson write articl apr ucsu colorado edu cuffel spot colorado edu tim cuffel write thi suggest secur product design approach fill hard drive random file and file encrypt number kei whenev secret file creat you delet random file and replac real encrypt data secret file encrypt kei thrash do file system step write minim file system program that us creat delet file decrypt ramdisk list directori put util password protect floppi catch that storag space us thi util not part do file system defrag your disk pack alloc cluster into cluster us back end partit hold your stealth file system leav small partit disk that not assign do anoth approach us directori that contain set invari file do system file for instanc due do alloc minimum storag unit cluster unus physic space disk tail end each file and end associ cluster dead space concaten and us hold your stealth file system you situat encrypt data appear your disk rai berri rai ol cdac rjberri eskimo compuserv
sci.crypt	sourc random bit unix workstat articl pivot sbi bet sbi bennett todd salomon brother inc write thi decid configur mit magic cooki secur for for thi work you stick bit that intrud can guess file readabl you client applic read pass bit back server want establish connect settl grab bunch traffic network basic ran etherfind greater compress and skip output grab bit can bit that can expect uniformli distribut and quit unguess intrud for your applic you can encrypt real time clock secret kei
sci.crypt	sourc random bit unix workstat articl psu edu eiffel psu edu nicol write articl pivot sbi bet sbi bennett todd salomon brother inc write thi decid configur mit magic cooki secur for for thi work you stick bit that intrud can guess file readabl you client applic read pass bit back server want establish connect settl grab bunch traffic network basic ran etherfind greater compress and skip output grab bit can bit that can expect uniformli distribut and quit unguess intrud for your applic you can encrypt real time clock secret kei for good discuss cryptograph good random number gener check draft ietf secur random txt internet draft your local friendli internet draft repositori sourc random output cryptograph hash function fed larg amount random data for exampl run dev mem slow random sourc random bit bound bit entropi ten hundr megabyt data modern workstat memori fair amount system timer buffer etc
sci.crypt	amend and password articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu ashal magnu ac ohio state edu andrew hall write postiv will correct wrong doesn cover not forc action that incrimin polic couldn demand that you silent bodi buri monei hidden can make you piss jar and possibl provid dna semen and hair sampl undergo test for gunpowd residu your hand btw that chemic engin arrest wtc explos thrust hand into toilet fill urin cop break door nitrogen urin mask residu explos found interest new report act not reason perhap privaci group discuss legal ramif password shot jimmi hoffa and bodi storag locker camden back impress that real judg dismiss argument that thi password incrimin year law school sophistri fact that you us statement for password bear verac that phrase you not ask incrimid you buri bodi you ask provid inform execut legal search warrant refus provid password akin refus provid kei storag locker that forc into locker that doesn mean you understand find point thing overlook search bear gile bear fsl noaa gov
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl qpg finn dn nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write articl tcmayc jex netcom tcmai netcom timothi write wors current unsecur system becom wors govern thi clinton clipper argu for restrict unapprov encrypt thi main concern camel nose tent etc not pick isn thi kind domino theori countri fall neighbor will sure follow and you mine salt siberia for not turn captain crunch secret decod ring agre you thi privat sector entiti bui crypto system that partial compromis kei escrow thi instanc privat sector entiti bui crypto system that had not properli evalu algorythm not public releas answer obviou wouldn hardwar not compromis de exampl tripl de suspicion that price will drop dramat clipper system not troubl that clinton administr not stupid cannot that fail realiz thi initi will fail crippl de never move can work coercion you polit you don realiz that thi step move make sens move ban severli crippl crypto not clipper system easili justifi want encrypt subvert govern provid you secur altern us jail fine can you reconcil administr proclaim purpos provid law enforc access encrypt data make clipper system crypto you simpli can and administr want govt hair for drug deal bui clipper system don sell crafti clinton type short can that stupid ban clipper crypto answer administr collect that potato you jump fast big and not face will bui stuff that doesn thi man hell jump gun interpret andrew tim sig block bust regim isn thi melodramat wit letter clinton white hous offic press secretari presidenti comment line fax april sir and madam object strongli administr evolv posit encrypt and cryptographi shock clinton regim increas lean authoritarian approach regard privaci and freedom govern oversight dai dai life appar that draft clipper chip propos incident gain notorieti big brother propos incred ignor sly knowledg nuanc cryptograph develop and research understand that kei step develop algorithm destin for standard full disclosur algorithm privat and academ sector proper evalu algorithm dep end care scrutini sector and such scrutini can provid true public confid secur algorithm assumpt that algorithm will accept base assur expert full disclosur plain ignor addit assumpt that algorithm will market technolog such de character kei escrow lunaci easi step logic chain that probabl consum will prefer purchas equip not crippl govern kei escrow matter tamper proof kei escrow cannot that even educ polici maker fail realiz flaw can assum that drafter clipper chip propos knew difficulti sell crippl system privat sector thi propos make sens chanc succeed coercion even languag propos make painfulli clear that logic step outlaw encrypt devic and hardwar that not uti lize big brother chip public larg not educ issu realiz lose expect big brother propos encount resist american peopl you will effici dupe onc pretti word harmoni encrypt and voluntari mortifi that phrase that us and character clinton administr can happen startl question colleagu mine pose and realiz that everydai becom and relev reichstag fire plan for concern signatur shaen logan bernhardt uni ac edu uni ac edu public kei finger and request public kei archiv pgp public kei junkbox iastat edu sovereignti sign brutal past cryptographi not crime fight big brother propos
sci.crypt	detect us illeg cipher articl apr clarinet brad clarinet brad templeton write your honour suspect suddenli start anoth level cryptographi and can tap phone call hide sign warrant search hous make that access decent crypto place can clipper voic clipper tripl dese voic copi your kei crimin us encrypt will cover clipper avoid thi will prohibit strong encrypt shouldn thi detect us illeg cypher transmit clear statist properti plaintext fashion wiretap detect us pre encrypt drastic increas measur entropi input countermeasur thi us steganograph techniqu put voic you can nsa built thi featur blow mike and observ whether band thug come your ceil pgp kei finger mail eli ebrandt jarthur claremont edu
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sci.crypt	battl join articl apr qualcomm karn servo qualcomm phil karn write dorothi den wrong head idea administr even sooner fear lai long odd that clinton didn pull thi plan bodili orific nsa work for year that den and promin peopl happen start argu for such system like that suggest involv thi guess wrong apolog pgp kei finger mail eli ebrandt jarthur claremont edu
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl qpg finn dn nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write articl tcmayc jex netcom tcmai netcom timothi write tim sig block bust regim isn thi melodramat not two week ago regist concern program that conduct student organis univers texa san antonio result interrog capu polic attempt creat posit identif file photo fingerprint etc refus permit thi and file complaint univers administr vice presid for busi affair boss campu polic state that had interest legal constitut implic action greatest threat face citizen unit state decad unit state govern level feder state local opinion mine and reserv deni time wwh
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sci.crypt	sourc that announc telnet csrc ncsl nist gov connect csrc ncsl nist gov escap charact org sendmail nist readi sat apr edt expn clipper csspab mail ncsl nist gov den georgetown edu hoffman sea gwu edu mkapor eff org rotenberg cpsr org rivest mit edu mhellman stanford edu alanrp aol dparker sri jim rsa branstad ti mgrsplu csme ncsl nist gov quit org close connect connect close note telnet csme ncsl nist gov connect csme ncsl nist gov escap charact csme ncsl nist gov sendmail nist rbj dougm readi sat apr edt expn mgrsplu mcnulti ecf ncsl nist gov iren gilbert igilbert denni branstad branstad robert rosenth rmr gene troi troi smid ncsl nist gov denni steinauer dd katzk ncsl nist gov telnet mail ncsl nist gov connect mail ncsl nist gov escap charact mail ncsl nist gov sendmail rbj jck readi sat apr edt expn csspab burrow ecf mcnulti ecf bill colvin colvin gangemi dockmast ncsc mil john kuyer kuyer slambert cgin cto citicorp lipner mitr org gallagh dockmast ncsc mil cindi rand postmast dot gov walker ti willi rand org eddi zeitler zeitler cri castro castro whitehurst vnet ibm telnet ncsl nist gov connect ncsl nist gov escap charact ncsl nist gov sendmail nb rbj readi sat apr edt expn smid mile smid smid expn katzk stuart katzk katzk quit ncsl nist gov close connect connect close foreign host telnet ecf ncsl nist gov connect ecf ncsl nist gov escap charact ecf ncsl nist gov tgv multinet smtp servic readi expn burrow burrow jame burrow expn mcnulti mcnulti lynn mcnulti quit ecf ncsl nist gov tgv multinet smtp servic complet whoi intern net org nation institut standard and technolog dom nist gaithersburg domain name org administr contact wack john jpw wack enh nist gov ft technic contact zone contact hunt craig cwh hunt enh nist gov ft record last updat dec domain server list order dove nist gov am arc nasa gov intern registr servic host contain internet inform network asn domain and poc us whoi server nic ddn mil for milnet inform
sci.crypt	secret algorithm clipper chip and crypto kei escrow articl brad clarinet brad templeton write greatest danger escrow databas disk chanc that complet copi leak you hard backup consequ backup data not warrant come wors consequ secret backup data isn warrant come you effect secur crypto secret backup you effect crypto thi poster essentiali argu crypto secur crypto data isn warrant come govern will us normal law enforc techniqu catch crook thi bad btw bug isn normal law enforc techniqu privaci clipper will becom normal techniqu jim inform farm for addr phone finger ohio state univers jebright magnu ac ohio state edu jim ebright mail jre osu edu
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sci.crypt	detect us illeg cipher articl nmb cof new claremont edu ebrandt jarthur claremont edu eli brandt write shouldn thi detect us illeg cypher transmit clear statist properti plaintext fashion wiretap detect us pre encrypt drastic increas measur entropi input countermeasur thi us steganograph techniqu put voic thi detect pre encrypt defeat can transform spectrum encrypt signal ad pre arrang begin commun function you can fft your encrypt signal think for pgp public kei finger mkagalen lynx dac northeastern edu
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl edu uni ac edu shaen bernhardt write agre you thi privat sector entiti bui crypto system that partial compromis kei escrow thi instanc privat sector entiti bui crypto system that had not properli evalu algorythm not public releas answer obviou wouldn hardwar not compromis de exampl tripl de follow opinion not assert truth flame come background year senior corpor staff execut two fortun compani happi us crypto system suppli nsa for busi told secur de and resist attempt japanes french and competit compani and govern break happi even escrow kei provid happi bona fide escrow agenc feder reserv satisfi set big account firm trust nsa presid state trap door even happier committe independ expert examin thing seal secreci and report back that secur trust nsa long trust swiss japanes thi surpris suggest corpor feel pick corpor attitud that nsa part govern and support govern famou ceo put dai perspect anoth point view david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
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sci.crypt	text white hous announc and clipper chip encrypt andrew richard conwai arc leland stanford edu wrote can work govern doesn want sell oversea easi for interest decod make perfect tool for industri militari espionag lull stupid bui into fals sens secur you will notic that mention anywher safeti for american don forget you countri that wouldn russian bui appl secur concern ben bena bruce monash edu
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl qovj umd edu louie sayshel umd edu loui mamako write articl tcmayc jex netcom tcmai netcom timothi write wors current unsecur system becom wors govern thi clinton clipper argu for restrict unapprov encrypt thi main concern camel nose tent etc excus thi happen coupl hump tent folk qualcomm trivial encrypt scheme propos for us cdma digiti cellular phone standard restrict place you slightli wrong dump encrypt system not export not not produc for us legal restraint citizen us strong cryptographi perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
sci.crypt	hyster articl qpg finn dn nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write articl tcmayc jex netcom tcmai netcom timothi write wors current unsecur system becom wors govern thi clinton clipper argu for restrict unapprov encrypt thi main concern camel nose tent etc not pick isn thi kind domino theori john gilmor point repeatedli you produc infrastructur that permit polic state function that requir suddenli find live chang attitud part govern constitut built men had risk live ensur freedom countri design system make difficult for tyranni aris for instanc reason fourth amend put make harder for govern make smuggl crime jest john hancock made monei smuggl rum drug govern everyon kei escrow and fbi get pet wiretap leav offic scheme coup happen dai world hour countri oppos tyrant monitor close tool place tyranni cannot stand tool thi place tyrann dictatorship successfulli impos give govern tool enslav you you can trust bill clinton you will that you can trust govern that will aris hereaft not will make that leap faith tim sig block bust regim isn thi melodramat polit dissid such acut awar happen polit dissid world world kill for belief call amnesti intern time find happen dissid world that seper place thin piec parchment nation archiv that constantli and erod such farc war drug coup happen countri that had stabl democraci for hundr year govern histori fallen govern last for hundr year replac dictatorship you intens that never happen that you will bet your life and live your children and love construct tool tyranni enforc make order magnitud like that happen happen tool place stick naiv fool such leadership can protect hundr that fail thrive democraci led men skillful bill clinton fallen dictatorship rome had thrive republ run exquisit skill men tyranni for unwil trust that never happen hubri immun happen perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
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sci.crypt	clipper chip technic detail short summari bellovin hellman nsa global kei kei for each chip user can choos session kei for each phone call make chip kei and user govern and appar messag encrypt that system describ can possibl work happen plug ciphertext into receiv chip receiv chip receiv chip inform can work can comput system cryptograph useless and kei escrow bullshit messag decrypt dan
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good dougla craig holland holland colost edu write mail can break your pgp encrypt call tempest truck and read electromagnet emmis your comput termin note that measur protect tempest surveil classifi lcd displai vulner tempest regim come fruition make you protect your amend right assert your second amend right second that jason stood van yell excus sir ain noth wrong thi countri that plastic explos won cure steve taylor blew clinic real good steiner jupit cse utoledo edu
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sci.crypt	clipper chip technic detail djb silverton berkelei edu bernstein short summari bellovin hellman nsa global kei kei for each chip user can choos session kei for each phone call make chip kei and user govern and appar messag encrypt that system describ can possibl work happen plug ciphertext into receiv chip receiv chip receiv chip inform can work can comput system cryptograph useless and kei escrow bullshit messag decrypt descript algorithm plausibl explant can find that agre bandwidth advanc two parti standard share symmetr kei marc vanheyningen mvanheyn indiana edu mime ripem accept secur divers theori state that public avail good comput game vital maintain system safeti contrast secur obscur
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl qpg finn dn nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write not pick isn thi kind domino theori countri fall neighbor will sure follow and you mine salt siberia for not turn captain crunch secret decod ring for wrong attempt correct vietnam domino theori wasn disprov
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sci.crypt	clipper chip technic detail djb silverton berkelei edu bernstein write summari elid system describ can possibl work happen plug ciphertext into receiv chip receiv chip receiv chip inform can work can comput system cryptograph useless and kei escrow bullshit messag decrypt descript chip oper evid leav kei manag aspect secret kei public kei broadcast messag initi result diffi hellman kei exchang similar protocol describ isn clear whether implement clipper wiretap chip provid system compon hal finnei
sci.crypt	clipper chip technic detail articl apr silverton berkelei edu djb silverton berkelei edu bernstein write short summari bellovin hellman nsa global kei kei for each chip user can choos session kei for each phone call make chip kei and user govern and appar messag encrypt that system describ can possibl work happen plug ciphertext into receiv chip receiv chip receiv chip inform can work can comput system cryptograph useless and kei escrow bullshit messag decrypt noth come session kei and chosen you choos session kei exponenti kei exchang share secret rsa etc you choos chip will appar emit escrow header you
sci.crypt	corpor accept wiretap chip strnlght netcom david sternlight write follow opinion not assert truth flame come background year senior corpor staff execut two fortun compani happi us crypto system suppli nsa for busi told secur de and resist attempt japanes french and competit compani and govern break happi even escrow kei provid happi bona fide escrow agenc feder reserv satisfi set big account firm don doubt that thi will attitud corpor leader understand corpor exec don cryptolog and easi peddl snake oil and propos scheme major improv telephon secur exist problem that secur scheme thi kind you concern weakest link chain suspect that nsa put fairli strong encrypt algorithm thi wiretap chip strong de ofb mode exist kei registri system make kind attack small fraction expens build de keysearch machin origin describ sound polic court combin acquir kei for chip hope that not case sinc impli glare hole cost find crook jodg and crook cop for foreign intellig agenc organ crime boss even intellig scheme us access unencrypt phone convers will weak ness expens and difficult trust confidenti inform encrypt scheme that for crack time hundr de for complaint bit kei cost million dollar build keysearch machin for million dollar confidenti phone messag headquart worth nissan chrysler audi home phone major exec and import engin and design gee jone understand you had financi problem can trust nsa long trust swiss japanes nsa design algorithm secur like secur idea kei de system isn resist practic cryptanalysi puzzl palac bamford describ nsa employe turn foreign kgb agent despit secur measur that doubt big account firm match and nsa confidenti data not subject request thousand polic organ and court across land john kelsei mizzou missouri edu
sci.crypt	clipper algorithm secret apr iecc cambridg johnl iecc cambridg john levin write quot cryptograph protocol anoth matter valid reason for keep secret and hope shown lot wai thing that aren quit bad occur algorithm secret publish build physic ident clone version chip that interoper offici clipper chip cloner wouldn provid kei escrow hous hmmn yeah algorithm classifi militari contract similar govern equival militari for thi proprietari design that fed that nsa develop patent that patent publicli bet that that classifi algorithm made public revers engin compromis not goal justic read chip user cypto data reduc profit for select chip maker wouldn that bad danni bedlam dfl panix cmcl panix dfl danni lieberman box church station yawk yawk usa
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sci.crypt	detect us illeg cipher articl nmb cof new claremont edu ebrandt jarthur claremont edu eli brandt write copi your kei crimin us encrypt will cover clipper avoid thi will prohibit strong encrypt thi isn true todai crimin regularli us sort unsaf method cordless phone cellular phone plain copper wire analog phone that you can put allig clip plan and execut crime amaz stupid fbi keen digit telphoni law and successor clipper chip hope that crook will remain stupid feel safe clipper chip phone and caught brad templeton clarinet commun corp sunnyval
sci.crypt	secret algorithm clipper chip and crypto kei escrow articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu jebright magnu ac ohio state edu jame ebright write articl brad clarinet brad templeton write greatest danger escrow databas disk chanc that complet copi leak you hard backup consequ backup data not warrant come wors consequ secret backup data isn warrant come you effect secur crypto secret backup you effect crypto thi poster essentiali argu crypto secur crypto poster brain wrong gear you can infer sentenc meant consequ backup consequ easi copi databas brad templeton clarinet commun corp sunnyval
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sci.crypt	clipper chip technic detail articl apr ulyss att smb research att steven bellovin write noth come hellman each user will choos kei that kei call session kei hellman alic and bob commun clipper chip alic choos kei and bob choos kei thi incompat suggest that alic and bob talk us common chosen classic public kei approach protocol kei manag descript publish incomplet incorrect leav idea system work hope cpsr foia request succe that full detail dan
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sci.crypt	corpor accept wiretap chip nsa design algorithm secur like secur idea kei de system isn resist practic cryptanalysi puzzl palac bamford describ nsa employe turn foreign kgb agent despit secur measur that doubt big account firm match and nsa confidenti data not subject request thousand polic organ and court across land don mention ronald william pelton heh heh heh embarrass nsa kgb
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sci.crypt	secret algorithm clipper chip and crypto kei escrow strnlght netcom david sternlight write noth slightest interest presid nixon typic exampl seep mind think that david sternlight jerk afraid that thi case popul will realiz gui nsa dorothi den and govern won battl you succe wake peopl nah that event happen fast cryptographi sophist issu and almost care thousand net reader won make differ million caught asleep sad regard vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev viru test center univers hamburg tel fax fachbereich informatik agn pgp public kei request vogt koelln strass mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg hamburg germani
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sci.crypt	clipper algorithm secret articl apr iecc cambridg johnl iecc cambridg john levin write occur algorithm secret publish build physic ident clone version chip that interoper offici clipper chip cloner wouldn provid kei escrow hous hmmn not necessarili releas detail algorithm releas system kei call hellman that make peopl happi and sort verif procedur kei exchang offici chip work offici chip word secreci make physic ident clone version imposs secreci algorithm shouldn reveal algorithm open attack sinc unit share thi kei compromis big deal person wouldn feel comfort know that secret bit number held place that guarante secur compromis doesn necessarili mean that system compromis imposs whether not that true secret algorithm incident secret algorithm secret main kei margin import court order for not even wiretap steve tate srt duke edu reason mathemat enjoi special esteem dept comput scienc scienc that law duke univers absolut and indisput durham scienc extent debat einstein
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sci.crypt	secret algorithm clipper chip and crypto kei escrow articl strnlghtc pucl netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write articl apr yuma acn colost edu holland colost edu dougla craig holland write you thi you trust richard nixon your crypto kei wouldn you mean presid nixon not privat citizen nixon noth slightest interest presid nixon you didn miss implic that anoth richard nixon type presid futur perhap not distant futur acut that mind you not object gov come decis not propos clinton crippl decis not propos sprung start place video camera sound room your hous activ your knowleg conceal you wouldn locat prevent you cover len open noth you slightest interest govern offici you sure not object such propos not anolog principl pretti close abil eavesdrop your activ effort your knowleg protect govern safeguard you can draw your curtain you can your privaci big brother thi for protect drug dealer and terrorist and crimin enemi state and you don unbreak privaci sort press releas clinton crippl decis put find curiou us word unbreak term difficult break proper author govern dispos wouldn want break illeg nawww not for peopl clinton can you mind give good reason that algorithm secret algorithm thi encrypt scheme joke contain featur master kei back door for unauthor eavesdrop even moder secur and govern meant requir proper court order and kei that escrow account deciph traffic algorithm secret hear that encrypt scheme requir algorithm remain secret effect not worthwhil scheme thi idl talk administr bullshit great skeptic and doubt administr intent and wait haven told gem administr mind for mail and datafil secur press releas that thi part comprehens thing data secur for unprivileg citizen perhap subject term citizen not that impli free peopl subject fit popul serv pleasur ruler thing for govern longer regard citizen boss anymor pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
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sci.crypt	secret algorithm clipper chip and crypto kei escrow begin pgp sign messag articl pmetzger apr snark shearson pmetzger snark shearson perri metzger write articl qnupd jpm new intercon amanda intercon amanda walker write amanda intercon amanda walker jhess netcom john hess write great wonder new can listen fed hei statu quo worri fed tap phone high school scanner surfer kick eavesdrop cellular and cordless phone call polit dissid scare shitless fed listen call opinion sort that disappear slightli free societi and sort societi will ten year friend had phone tap thi theoret for statu quo you can cryptophon compani cylink todai and work addit number group work build softwar turn into privaci enhanc phone and work overdr mode and crypto restrict lift thi incremement improv for applic crypto restrict you can us you want point maintain that point you miss cover cellphon scrambl system discuss incident respond question that issu and appear that and approv countri will secur encrypt and dodgi countri will exist mobil equip will drop clear mode us system newer equip will us clear depend capabl base station cop fed not hold your privat kei listen cellular convers encrypt not end end cellphon base station thi that cellular user and fix instal can talk each for cellular cellular call transmiss decrypt base station pass anoth base station and encrypt cop fed can listen unscrambl call provid warrant tap into cellular provid equip reason for want crackabl system can listen obtain warrant clipper system secur and warrant kei escrow can listen scanner don thi rout doubt even true onc kei will never warrant tap into that phone whenev want judg appear wasn drug dealer natur stop listen you reason scare shitless record mccarthi hoover edgar not cleaner excel suck and nixon paul
sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook suspect that thi clipper thing backfir gov big hurri expect that product chip will socket solder sinc onc kei hand escrow agenc chip garbag and will replac expect that will come pin compat chip that secur encrypt possibl even disguis that not clipper chip you us backdoor kei manufactur such chip part market strategi subvert escrow agenc bribe industri espionag and public fact not connect such activ like not legal publicli discredit escrow agenc quit creat market for secur altern that will revers engin clipper chip and knowleg algorithm will like fairli widespread back door weak discredit scheme and grow market demand for secur altern that compani that such altern will make friend commun lot monei that govern will make such plug replac illeg expect that will success limit avail such altern limit avail illicit drug regard ian amelin rambl noth employ necessarili advoc thing describ that event like place
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sci.crypt	clipper chip technic summari document summar clipper chip us program chip coupl kei gener and escrow process and law enforc decrypt commun sinc specul thi new group involv thi project add that not involv found fbi brief thursdai even april sinc spent consider time talk nsa and fbi learn thi and attend nist brief depart commerc april document below result that effort dorothi den clipper chip technic summari dorothi den april introduct april presid announc initi that will bring togeth feder govern and industri voluntari program provid secur commun meet legitim law enforc heart plan tamper proof encrypt chip call clipper chip togeth split kei approach escrow kei two escrow agenc us and kei part need reconstruct kei chip structur clipper chip contain classifi bit block encrypt algorithm call skipjack algorithm bit kei compar for de and round scrambl compar for de support de mode oper throughput mbit second each chip includ compon skipjack encrypt algorithm bit famili kei that common chip bit serial number bit secret kei that unlock messag encrypt chip encrypt chip chip us imagin that embed telephon secur devic will suppos call and such devic push button start secur convers secur devic will negoti session kei devic end gener method kei exchang can us kei and messag stream digit voic fed into clipper chip produc two valu encrypt messag stream and law enforc block law enforc block contain session kei encrypt unit kei concaten serial number encrypt famili kei chip program and escrow clipper chip program insid scif secur comput inform facil essenti vault scif contain laptop comput and equip program chip chip program singl session scif locat mikotronx begin session trust agent each two kei escrow agenc enter vault agent enter bit into laptop and agent enter bit valu serv seed gener kei for sequenc serial number gener unit kei for serial number bit pad fix bit block produc bit block and us kei tripl encrypt produc bit block similarli pad two bit block produc and and two addit bit block and comput and concaten togeth give bit bit assign and second bit rest discard unit kei xor and and kei part that separ escrow two escrow agenc sequenc valu for and gener written separ floppi disk disk contain file for each serial number that contain kei part second disk similar contain valu disk contain unit kei agent take disk and agent take second disk disk us program chip chip program inform discard vault and agent leav laptop destroi for addit assur that inform left protocol chang slightli that peopl room two two provid seed and and second two escrow agent disk back escrow agenc escrow agenc determin will not nsa cia fbi law enforc agenc independ govern law enforc us law enforc author tap encrypt line will warrant servic provid order access commun line assum that tap place and that determin that line encrypt clipper will decrypt law enforc block famili kei thi will warrant identifi chip serial number each kei escrow agent and back and and xore togeth produc unit kei and decrypt session kei final messag stream decrypt thi will accomplish special black box decod oper fbi acknowledg and distribut notic inform base inform provid nsa nist and fbi permiss distribut thi document grant
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sci.crypt	text white hous announc and clipper chip encrypt articl qnpjuinn gap caltech edu hal cco caltech edu hal finnei write brad clarinet brad templeton write strategi busi legal push standard place secret standard and standard will drive competitor market will legal sell untap encrypt that doesn regist kei will difficult and not plan for phone compani brad analysi correct offer explan for encrypt algorithm secret thi will prevent competitor come clipper compat phone lack govern instal back door strategi brad describ will work long compat phone govern chip nice point view person privaci brad turn long peopl power provid encrypt place addit clipper privaci word passag announc make doubt whether thi will turn true even brad turn accur you can bet that administr will made clear vendor that interest institut voluntari polici refus sell clinton crippl equip equip author govern agenc and law enforc individu and corpor determin administr valid case case basi for effect system note that thi languag us gun control bill law administr push for support logic and actual rational oppos excus that fed media case item technolog question thi accid come philosophi that govern rule control peopl not peopl control govern that unconnect citizen not sophist for govern peopl not and idea that that common can defend govern eavesdrop unlaw attack total unaccept peopl thi outlook hal finnei combin thi push for nation ident card smart chip encod intern passport guis streamlin state peopl health care system and you can jewel come and see extrem omin trend will ten year late turn amazingli accur propheci lot peopl wake and hurri red warn light and bell and danger flag come govern seek set apart regard right etc unconnect unprivileg citizen subject shouldn averag person good secur system data secur not depend nebul safeguard for maintain that secur shouldn averag person defend agenc rogu fed break into data want work and logic not allow good safe duplic kei combin submit for safekeep govern don differ philosoph encrypt data won evapor not such high tech tool tape record pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
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sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook articl agora rain jhart agora rain jim hart write sinc wiretap chip distribut internation allow govern spy foreign govern compani and peopl wiretap domest citizen thi world wide issu put distribut world distrubut line you distribut keyword case sensit you want distribut world distribut line world capit letter wrong apb alan barrett dept electron eng univ natal durban south africa rfc barrett und
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sci.crypt	facin fact bit serial number possibl fix and den guvax acc georgetown edu vidkun abraham lauritz quisl write each chip includ compon skipjack encrypt algorithm bit famili kei that common chip bit serial number bit secret kei that unlock messag encrypt chip hmmm thirti bit serial number and told unit kei deriv determinist thi serial number that mean that billion unit kei gener unit kei for serial number bit pad fix bit block produc bit block and us kei tripl encrypt produc bit block similarli pad two bit block produc and and two addit bit block and comput and concaten togeth give bit bit assign and second bit rest discard unit kei xor and and kei part that separ escrow two escrow agenc hmmm assum that gener unit kei serial number gener randomli select and intent assur fail safe for govern completedli determin and and not chang constitut effect master kei theft possess author complet obviat secur system interestingli for fact that and fix matter keyspac for not pick and random thi interest restrict kei space not provid addit back door find disturb that secur depend approxim byte worth inform that written back napkin even and chang period rational thi restrict size keyspac strang assum that goal secur and make perfect sens goal illus secur and not chang even remain secret can back deriv unit kei serial number pair assur that thi cannot happen understand skipjack work govern offici and foreign intellig servic that gain inform espionag will eventu inform revers engin get and advanc year time late sequenc valu for and gener written separ floppi disk disk contain file for each serial number that contain kei part second disk similar contain valu disk contain unit kei agent take disk and agent take second disk disk us program chip chip program inform discard vault and agent leav laptop destroi for addit assur that inform left thi make feel bit secur silli notion destroi laptop appear anoth bizarr distract that you can read data dram that turn for moment hand don gener unit kei and place weaken system don agent question resist million cash piec for inform worth hundr million you can make bribe arbitrarili hard resist and you truth thi vault joe random tempest shield room laptop comput melodrama design make high school dropout peoria impress for rest protocol chang slightli that peopl room two two provid seed and and second two escrow agent disk back escrow agenc thi provid let escrow agenc aclu and nra and agent person back disk and honest care nsa laugh loud algorithm regener and like don steal kei effect perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
sci.crypt	shelf cheap de keyseach machin corpor accept wiretap chip articl apr jarvi csri toronto edu lewi eecg toronto edu david lewi write articl mizzou missouri edu mizzou missouri edu john kelsei write strnlght netcom david sternlight write stuff delet trust confidenti inform encrypt scheme that for crack time hundr de for complaint bit kei cost million dollar build keysearch machin for can bui de keysearch machin shelf for approx not sold that name bui circuit emul machin quickturn contain bunch fpga and program each de search engin let chip run mhz test sec time sec max week week averag can wait that long bui bigger machin can big brother afford such thing time tight budget don folk notic dorothi trust den gave real clue current state art nsa decrypto machin nsa told didn even want holder part kei that doubt trapdoor skipjack will never and doubt nsa promot mass market chip couldn compromis ergo nsa capabl compromis brute forc keysearch engin complex skipjack spec bet thousand chip chug crypto buster even ten thousand complex not such machin will fit into fort mead pgp bit idea kei inform farm for addr phone finger ohio state univers jebright magnu ac ohio state edu jim ebright mail jre osu edu support privaci support encrypt
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sci.crypt	text white hous announc and clipper chip encrypt notic that clipper chip develop for consider longer month that clinton presid thi not that choos choos bush clinton chang slightest work for time
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sci.crypt	shelf cheap de keyseach machin corpor accept wiretap chip articl otuinndb dn nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write plaintext digit voic and exist for short time coupl inch copper top flatli not your bug offic can hear voic and even digit bitstream idiot plaintext that relev session kei you that you don room chip you you brute forc interest that messag stream sort approxim bug offic your room chip session kei chang morn lot easier for illicit wiretapp stick bug your phone andrew molitor
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not into consider issu polit impact public polici restrict linguist analysi mean and intent sinc your profession analysi will like becom part litig consequ second amend that analysi you make profession opinion that you will stand your reput and even will testifi oath support letter frame question test second amend conclud realiz that ask you major respons and task thi letter citizen vital import extract actual mean second amend that your analysi not affect polit import result that you thi that import letter and phone call discuss term for such analysi never discuss opinion second amend gun control polit subject professor copperud follow analysi into insert question for sake clariti copperud word regul militia secur free state contrari interpret cite your letter juli constitut present participl claus us adject modifi militia main claus sentenc subject verb and bear arm assert essenti for maintain militia repli your number question schulman can sentenc interpret grant and bear arm sole regul militia copperud sentenc not restrict and bear arm state impli possess peopl simpli make posit statement respect peopl schulman peopl and bear arm grant word second amend second amend assum preexist peopl and bear arm and state that such not infring copperud not grant amend exist assum thrust sentenc that preserv inviol for sake ensur militia schulman peopl and bear arm condit whether not regul militia fact secur free state and that condit not exist statement peopl and bear arm not infring null and void copperud such condit express impli and bear arm not amend depend exist militia condit state impli relat and bear arm and necess regul militia requisit secur free state and bear arm deem uncondit entir sentenc schulman claus regul militia secur free state grant govern place condit peopl and bear arm such deem uncondit mean entir sentenc copperud assum exist and uncondit previous state invok specif for sake militia schulman phrase regul militia mean equip organ drill educ subject regul superior author copperud phrase mean subject regul superior author thi accord desir writer for civilian control militari schulman you account chang mean word usag sinc that sentenc written year ago not into account histor interpret intent author issu can separ copperud knowledg chang mean word usag that affect mean amend written todai put sinc regul militia tot secur free state peopl and bear arm not abridg schulman scientif control thi analysi you compar your analysi text second amend sentenc school elector secur free state peopl and read book not infring question for usag analysi thi sentenc grammat structur and usag thi sentenc and word modifi each ident second amend sentenc and thi sentenc interpret restrict peopl and read book educ elector for exampl regist voter high school diploma copperud your scientif control sentenc precis parallel amend grammat structur noth your sentenc that impli possibl restrict interpret professor copperud had addit comment cover letter human curios made specul effort decid materi us unabl reach conclus told top expert american usag knew constitut unit state uncondition protect peopl and bear arm forbid govern form constitut abridg that write thi attempt coup constitut govern soviet union fail appar will peopl that part world free caprici tyranni stronger guard desir maintain monopoli dictatori power and unit state elect lawmak judg and appoint offici pledg defend constitut unit state ignor margin prevar second amend routin american citizen put american prison for carri arm own arm forbidden sort fail satisfi bureaucrat requir own and carri firearm abridg uncondit peopl and bear arm guarante constitut and even american civil liberti union aclu staunch defend rest bill right stand and noth and bear arm preserv that will can will beg elect repres not right and continu repres will continu obei judg decid that second amend doesn mean mean mean mean orwellian doublespeak will simpli and bear arm choic constitut unit state promis can and pledg that will defend that promis live fortun and sacr honor gun week and second amend foundat inform reproduct entir articl herebi author provid author gun week and second amend foundat credit right reserv author neil schulman award win author novel endors anthoni burgess and nobel economist milton friedman and writer cb twilight zone episod time travel historian prevent jfk assassin founder and presid softserv publish publish compani distribut paperless book person comput and modem recent schulman found committe enforc second amend cesa intend individu and bear arm recogn constitut protect equal afford fourth ninth and fourteenth amend end includ articl can you honestli second state run militia pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
sci.crypt	text white hous announc and clipper chip encrypt articl bontchev fbihh bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg write rlward afterlif ncsc mil robert ward write and sinc constitut guarante american bear arm not american entitl matter you read applic part constitut and interpret context btw amend post time ago not post thi misinterpret refer peopl organ militia not for individu carri handgun grenad and assault rifl month ago express belief that mean shoot your neighbor not that ensur peopl free and flame lot american gun support thought that never mind crippl chip pure american problem deal mess want share you bit experi live year totalitarian regim bulgarian thought that you your experi bulgarian regim highli relev peopl head sand cannot happen constitut right trash dai govern justifi end run protect crisi requir drastic action like that futur possess secur encrypt tool will regard possess terrorist and drug dealer tool and fedar feloni common tool burgular tool polic common comput program even comput hacker tool and will becom terrorist tool bet insight live throught thi import soviet union and client state individu right privaci and freedom concern rest world rememb world order will not year post you find that defici that threaten right thi thing for exampl convers suspect and lawyer will longer privat big brother eavesdrop polit dissent allreadi danger thi countri take govern decid that peopl will becom guilti plot overthrow govern illeg mean phrase illeg mean defin govern defin coupl thi clinton press for smart nation card intern passport ad wrinkl that you and your past can put and you can govern word sinc will mean complet read and reprogram thing isn that nice fed can bust into safe kei owner safe broken into break into your secur phone convers store transmit data futur you know account legal window safe legal can kei suspect can kei safe combin suspect encrypt record warrant decod kei obtain suspect thi clinton crippl natur extens will make privilig commun client and lawyer and meaning polit dissent virtual imposs gener idea propeganda secur and safeguard and that that propeganda reassur peopl will into thi monstros don sucker big brother listen regard vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev viru test center univers hamburg tel fax fachbereich informatik agn pgp public kei request vogt koelln strass mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg hamburg germani pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
sci.crypt	open letter clinton articl bontchev fbihh bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg write strnlght netcom david sternlight write simpl convert clipper propos unexception make voluntari you not read propos that voluntari program thi doesn make desir that you high qualiti secur nsa classifi technolog you agre escrow your kei you your secur you nsa make you trust yeah you your you that tomorrow will not outlaw encrypr devic that don us technolog promis you gee not even that read propos minor nitpick not propos decis point view deal chip manufactur budget thing that upset thi secret didn want peopl late agre you percent come take live eastern bloc remind preciou and fragil liberti good work hopefulli you will wake regard vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev viru test center univers hamburg tel fax fachbereich informatik agn pgp public kei request vogt koelln strass mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg hamburg germani pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook articl rrtd agora rain jhart agora rain jim hart write true privaci chip for exampl real time voic encrypt rsa silicon compil and spit asic put thi chip market facto standard for intern busi diplomat and privat commun ban make and import japanes german dutch taiwanes korean etc electron compani don want nsa spy worker lose job govern fascist stupid countri law import crypto gear licens scheme won work not legal such countri includ franc and david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	clipper make good cover for encrypt method articl eachu apr spectr mitr org eachu spectr mitr org robert eachu write you make custom equip case not roll your clipper implement and report wrong kei escrow agenc tell chip busi thi thing nsa and hide nsa thi won work checksum kei you don will regist clipper chip and substitut counterfeit serial number contain checksum chanc govern thought thi and won permit access intern make fake clipper chip chanc that govern classifi detail intern high level and manufactur requir observ secur safeguard and clearanc that level not perfect prevent joe hacker roll spoof chip sinc not counterfeit can surviv background investig notori style dissid for exampl head high tall grass that chanc get clearanc not imposs that thi extrem difficult chanc will heavi crimin penalti for phoni clipper chip nation secur classifi info ground make game not worth candl david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook articl warlord apr deathtongu mit edu warlord mit edu derek atkin write point not specif instanc wiretap chip govern tell you that want copi your hous kei safe deposit box kei etc and tell you that wont us total neccessari wouldn want that encrypt govrnment tell you that you want us product manufactur trust pair escrow agenc kei thi situat car maker kei car can quickli vin number and doubt that present court order surrend copi govern chanc that locksmith code number for hous lock instal and emerg can cut kei provid such kei govern pursuant court order state difficulti gain access your safe deposit box court order bad analog thi not argu for propos distinct requir think hous kei safe deposit kei etc david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	organ lobbi for cryptographi articl apr silverton berkelei edu djb silverton berkelei edu bernstein write want organ will combat such statement encrypt not threaten public safeti ski mask american entitl us strong encrypt ensur privaci and not crippl kei escrow system guess for leagu for cryptograph freedom nation cryptographi associ excel idea extent eff serv thi purpos organ exist don full scope activ eff lobbi for strong cryptographi distinct organ eff associ effort prevent ban sex and pictur newsgroup univers horror stori content group exploit pictur possibl underag model surfac press white hous bulletin rais specter drug deal and terror step remov crypto wield child molest argument eff lobbi effort for cryptographi easili derail connect child pornographi and similarli lpf connect stallman and gnu project light gnu manifesto thi mean that public debat stand label communist anarchist hacker radic etc don cpsr offshoot physician for social respons for helen caldicott and hyster antinuclear lobbi carri unwelcom polit baggag perhap for practic reason lobbi organ for cryptographi form umbrella eff exist group charter distinct independ and limit advocaci for cryptographi reiter dan bernstein question suitabl organ exist not you mention danger unwelcom polit associ remiss not suggest opposit direct gather support nra emphas rkba side issu amend side tal kubo math harvard edu
sci.crypt	clipper for cheap secur gtoal gtoal graham toal write imposs approv attach crypto devic phone network that plug phone socket approv for reason crypto devic never what differ bi modem and bi modem not silli point that modem that approv for data transmiss will work fine transmit scrambl vocod voic perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
sci.crypt	hard drive secur for fbi target articl apr yuma acn colost edu holland colost edu dougla craig holland write not lawyer correct wrong that consid obstruct justic land you prison for quit thing that great secret kei idea encrypt even fbi kei sol magic word forc you give your pass phrase oop forgot sinc burden proof prosecut thi countri you your mouth shut can prove that you didn forget your pass phrase doug obstruct justic blah blah blah forgot lie bad moral point view you law good and admittedli peopl not even thi provid govern prosecut you crimin you can plead amendm and legal avoid reveal your kei govern cannot demand inform crimin defend tend incrimin that defend thi never appli cryptographi context can obviou applic thi common suggest thi group not love hear peopl sinc don read thi group and sinc subject matter legal cryptoid misc legal comput place steve steve kramarski univers chicago law school steve faeri chi smk quad uchicago edu kiss girl jake night hang
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl ninnebn dn nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write articl hxv demon graham toal gtoal gtoal write complet baffl dorothi den chosen throw academ respect thi remark for time interest member academia and remark noth elev respect ey remain whether you radic fring gener error assum that your belief held major even sizabl minor you ten nai dozen peopl usenet agre you peopl usenet special bunch live net futur cultur usenett rapid electron access inform societi gener depend cnn can hope can make thi inform access public radic fring major destroi fabric thi countri freedom never easili won thoma
sci.crypt	keep your mouth shut hard drive secur articl apr qualcomm karn servo qualcomm phil karn write theori anoth case woman held contempt for refus reveal locat child even take thi case woman suspect murder kid take wasn surpris guilti that not good system you not suppos forc suspect confess crime matter strongli you guilti you develop your evid independ catch crook cost turn clock back middl ag confess routin tortur suspect guilti and innoc read thread post add phil infom discuss caveat amend appli crinial case person compel crimin case wit father su for custodi children case civil and defend mother not amend protect oddli refus give inform civil case can lead crimin contempt charg land jail interest part thi that murder trial woman can plead locat child thi routin comput crime prosecut fertil ground for thi kind defens suit parti injur hacker not accus for exampl send encrypt kiddi porn net protect kei accus send copyright materi proababl will not copyright infring not crime technic sens tricki question naughti boi that can govern us inform gain civil trial kei gain access file for us crimin prosecut answer lord thi work steve steve kramarski univers chicago law school steve faeri chi smk quad uchicago edu kiss girl jake night hang
sci.crypt	don fight clipper chip subvert replac marc thibault marc tanda isi org write jester write proof window viru widespread eat your disk space slow your comput take control your comput perform disk access random time displai silli messag your screen randomli crash comput vesselin thi sound version unix solari live switch suno solari heartili agre thi obcrypt main gripe solari braindead mailx almost mail you hope crash horribl you us pgp capabl sendmail replac jason stood van yell excus sir ain noth wrong thi countri that plastic explos won cure steve taylor blew clinic real good steiner jupit cse utoledo edu
sci.crypt	amend and password articl apr sugra ken sugra kenneth write articl apr linu mitr org ptrei bistromath mitr org peter trei write judg grant you immun learn kei you keyphras confess deliber evad copyright file encod thi keyphras contain illeg scan copyright peanut strip can us murder copyright violat thing straight appli crimin case copyright infring not civil steve wast bandwidth quibbl don want confus bunch kiddi porn gif make test case bunch peanut strip and that crimin posess and distribut steve kramarski univers chicago law school steve faeri chi smk quad uchicago edu kiss girl jake night hang
sci.crypt	organ lobbi for cryptographi kubo zariski harvard edu tal kubo write eff associ effort prevent ban sex and pictur newsgroup univers justic william brennan thurgood marshal john paul steven and byron white associ plural suprem court decis that prevent remov anti american anti christian anti semit and plain filthi book public high school librari board educ pico thi mean that longer defend free express and privaci carl carl kadi not repres organ thi kadi uiuc edu
sci.crypt	estim wiretap cost benefit rlglend netcom robert lewi glenden write articl apr krono arc nasa gov hanson krono arc nasa gov robin hanson write attempt write polici paper examin whether propos wiretap clipper chip cost effect tool for polic investig that ignor concern govern intrus into individu privaci easi wiretap investig greater cost commun industri and custom support thi wiretap technolog fuck nasa wast tax dollar polici paper stuff purvew mission favor resign thi paper for nasa work for societi whew easi gui thi spare time thi wiretap cost thi can add opposit clipper don fulli thi shouldn start flame drop hat jame holthau jame holthau uiowa edu govern associ men violenc rest leo tolstoi pgp public kei request kei server
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sci.crypt	cryptolog world statu cruptolog for privat citizen world list countri and polici citizen encrypt electron data curiou european handl thi for instanc jame holthau jame holthau uiowa edu govern associ men violenc rest leo tolstoi pgp public kei request kei server
sci.crypt	organ lobbi for cryptographi articl tbpd uiuc edu kadi uiuc edu carl kadi write eff associ effort prevent ban sex and pictur newsgroup univers justic william brennan thurgood marshal john paul steven and byron white associ mean that eff public stanc complic issu irrelev encrypt issu per peopl care encrypt issu don care associ network erotica issu even disagre eff posit end pallet baggag drag frequent problem perman organ eff except tarl
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sci.crypt	clipper will corrupt cop propos polic point view articl fbihh bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg vesselin bontchev write strnlght netcom david sternlight write dwight tuinstra post interest messag comment effect clipper chip state and local polic read line good thing for civil liberti respect sinc will prevent cowboi cop and cowboi state and local aganc read your traffic tap illeg read line bit that difficult you hint propos impos addit burocrat burden local polic badli want tape magic cooki recipi that your mom tell you phone guess will propos that technolog remov implement facilit you won want wait approv two agenc decrypt convers two child molest meanwhil two child molest conspir molest your child for access kei quickli copi databas and worri warrant perhap clearer and concis post that post central point made that local state polic agenc attempt plai rule and warrant legit escrow kei etc find merci bureaucrat inertia and agenc infight feder level disagre that thi assist civil liberti hobbl cowboi cop strong incent vesselin point for polic agenc rogu and kei effici constitut mean notic releas suppos law enforc agenc conduct wiretap drug smuggl ring and intercept convers encrypt devic deciph messag obtain legal author court order wiretap place clear implic that legal author court order leaki and page that author nsa aris black market sort polic agenc kei trade polic will excel posit carri thi kind thing caught commun infrastructur secur portion law that that limit citizen right access polic commun us inform difficult prove polic misus fact that you such evid evid that you broken law throw privat detect even fewer polici constitut restrict mercenari retir intellig agenc william gibson love great stori materi don happen michigan state polic gener profession organ for year red file thousand suspect commi know full not consititut standard evid peopl file happen park place china peopl friendship ralli happen polic write licens plate number you happen visit friend live meet place state polic wound file you subvers eventu found and court rule carri such nonsens thai had destroi tape even mean cop and will strong pressur bend constitut safeguard don assum corrupt unbalanc offic will interest enforc sensibl law save live and protect properti compromis will made mean offic face will moral dilemma clipper will make crimin cop want thi polic forc dwight tuinstra tuinstra sandman ec clarkson edu toler tuinstrd craft camp clarkson edu homo sapien planetari cancer new six
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good apr magnu ac ohio state edu jebright magnu ac ohio state edu jame ebright write articl rubin dsg dse beckman arthur rubin write wouldn trust nsa trust presid thi not told not crook presid richard nixon thi presid and easili wrong arthur rubin rubin dsg dse beckman work beckman instrument brea mcimail compuserv arthur pnet ct person opinion and not repres employ
sci.crypt	clipper make good cover for encrypt method begin pgp sign messag articl strnlghtc netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write articl apr eff org kadi eff org carl kadi write don replac for clipper front end thi make sens govern prohibit altern escrow encrypt scheme not us front end clipper david david gov that hope thi long run derek pgp kei request kei server pgp public kei toxicwast mit edu derek atkin mit electr engin and comput scienc secretari mit student inform process board sipb mit media laboratori speech research group warlord mit edu asel nwh
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl qsip innnj dn nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write escom donaldson write amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write thi appear gener call name anti christ for hell destroi thi remark imagin that execut branch extract kei escrow hous know tell dick bit data hell gonna trot telco and unauthoris decrypt tap huh break waterg and instal tap peopl break neat huh record nois execut branch phone decrypt box huh good wait til washington post get hold thi and decrypt nois like stare kei and hell not worth thi bloodi hassl kei fbi give local polic request simpli put alag clip your phone junction box and conduct illeg tap decrypt recov tape govern break law bill smyth
sci.crypt	secret sourc that announc gradi netcom suggest common restrict distribut privat kei public kei system encrypt post theori that will work fine long priva kei remain secur practic good idea check that violat net rule practic custom etc don that good idea check thi not rot can kei trivial good idea check such post forward site need make chain work problem discuss group travel facil control member problem mail list approach even fun for david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
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sci.crypt	bit keyseach machin articl apr lokkur dexter sc lokkur dexter steve simmon write last argu steve shouldn that read year for solut mean can imagin machin that trial nanosecond can imagin storag medium that index and archiv hmmmm larg keyspac thi you alter strategi discuss for de attempt decrypt block and check disctribut content don feasibl encrypt plaintext block amount tape rom and not such encrypt block cheap convert atom solar system into bit storag devic keysearch thi kind shouldn wors simpler kind term speed that you for encrypt messag dumb question research legitim ascii encod byte block that part english sentenc for attack de ecb mode dictionari thi kind pretti valuabl john kelsei
sci.crypt	fight clipper initi articl nov access digex net steve access digex steve brinich write american manufactur peddl crippl chip secret untest algorithm kei held peopl histori untrustworthi behavoir excus sinc escrow agenc aren chosen can you histori untrustworthi behavoir sic each can agenc such histori price waterhous secret academi award for year even face aggress press feder reserv open market committe successfulli decis leak for statutori period public even depart agricultur successfulli crop forecast leak prematur frankli trust not sinc subject polit pressur sooner aclu eff cpsr not exactli govern apologist track record for intern secur that david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	bit keyseach machin articl mizzou missouri edu mizzou missouri edu john kelsei write articl apr lokkur dexter sc lokkur dexter steve simmon write last argu steve shouldn that read year for solut mean can imagin machin that trial nanosecond can imagin storag medium that index and archiv hmmmm larg keyspac thi you alter strategi discuss for de attempt decrypt block and check disctribut content don feasibl encrypt plaintext block amount tape rom and not such encrypt block cheap convert atom solar system into bit storag devic don claim crypto analyist isn lot good literatur subject and peopl don publish work doubt approach such folk us brute forc impli that previou post histori thing folk find clever wai limit search and bang guess real problem skipjack can not nsa make publicli system couldn break want isn charter rememb de ibm not nsa and publish life year past that point rememb base size nsa budget spend lot technolog decrypt comput compani spend imagin stuff real interest friend onc work for dead enjoi monitor sac strateg air command crypto traffic and suspect that stuff bit complex skipjack militari stuff nsa skipjack btw folk nsa wasn kei and walker spy case show for system kgb didn inform farm for addr phone finger ohio state univers jebright magnu ac ohio state edu jim ebright mail jre osu edu support privaci support encrypt
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sci.crypt	clipper chip long follow articl apr curtin edu zrepachol curtin edu paul repacholi write question and answer clinton administr telecommun initi suppos law enforc agenc conduct wiretap drug smuggl ring and intercept convers encrypt devic deciph messag obtain legal author court order wiretap place present document thi author two entiti respons for safeguard kei and obtain kei for devic us drug smuggler kei split into two part store separ order ensur secur kei escrow system apolog for dens thi sentenc read lift lui bunuel screenplai miss earth drug smuggler even us devic tripl encrypt de long altern clipper remain legal clipper accomplish absolut noth law enforc concern scheme absolut total incred wast govern time and monei long encrypt scheme that good remain legal order for clipper work intend strong cryptosystem outlaw jan bielawski computervis san diego jpb calmasd prime
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sci.crypt	crypto final call crypto confer announc final call for paper thirteenth annual crypto confer sponsor intern associ for cryptolog research iacr cooper ieee comput societi technic committe secur and privaci comput scienc depart univers california santa barbara and bell northern research subsidiari northern telecom will held campu univers california santa barbara august origin research paper and technic expositori talk solicit practic and theoret aspect cryptolog anticip that talk present special invit program committe instruct for author author request send copi detail abstract not full paper april program chair address below limit page type not count bibliographi titl page submiss submiss arriv time postmark april and airmail order receiv consider program committe requir that submiss start succinct statement problem address solut propos and signific cryptolog for specialist reader technic develop direct specialist follow need abstract that submit confer that proceed not elig 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usa telephon fax internet stinson bibd unl edu for inform contact gener chair paul van oorschot crypto bell northern research mail stop carl av nepean ontario canada telephon fax internet crypto bnr crypto gener inform august program crypto thirteenth seri workshop cryptolog held santa barbara and sponsor intern associ for cryptolog research cooper ieee comput societi technic committe secur and privaci comput scienc depart univers california santa barbara and bell northern research subsidiari northern telecom program for workshop will cover aspect cryptolog extend abstract paper present confer will distribut attende confer and formal proceed will publish date addit regular program paper select invit program committe will rump session tuesdai even for inform present facil will provid for attende demonstr hardwar softwar and item cryptograph interest you demonstr such item you urg contact gener chair that your will attend social program will includ host cocktail parti sundai and mondai 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sci.crypt	clipper chip technic summari articl apr guvax acc georgetown edu den guvax acc georgetown edu write prof den descript skipjack omit chip structur clipper chip contain classifi bit block encrypt algorithm call skipjack algorithm bit kei compar for de and round scrambl compar for de support de mode oper throughput mbit second bit famili kei that common chip bit serial number bit secret kei that unlock messag encrypt chip kei and messag stream digit voic fed into clipper chip produc two valu encrypt messag stream and law enforc block question each bit input you bit output bit bit bit bit bit you transmit bit each time you transmit bit wiretap block begin obnoxi for bandwidth limit applic cellular phone even regular phone de mode interact two part output feedback mode appli messag block wiretap block wiretap block transmit begin incorpor into feedback mode not ecb mode clipper chip check wiretap block block present sinc receiv chip doesn transmitt can check valid limit check form wiretap block and check serial number for reason sort back door structur that let recogn valid that case can you replac wiretap block wiretap block valid avoid attract attent chip won you postprocess output regular peopl can serial number and dummi kei paranoid peopl can us serial number hand that solut easili nsa block us messag encrypt that prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
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sci.crypt	organ lobbi for cryptographi articl apr husc harvard edu kubo zariski harvard edu tal kubo write mention danger unwelcom polit associ remiss not suggest opposit direct gather support nra emphas rkba side issu amend side tal kubo math harvard edu hmmm thi gave interest idea thi argument second amend and bear arm strong cryptographi arm govern that hard export constituit strong cryptographi like hard harder exercis thi get exercis right that govern slowli restrict nra exist organ perhap long start join electron desk bob langford health scienc comput fax virginia commonwealth univers mail langford gem vcu edu langford vcuvax for bitnet
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl apr rick dgbt doc jhan debra dgbt doc jerri han write happili sleep peopl thi aren peopl slightli overreact thi sudden draw parallel nazi germani and communist russia point matter that thi problem not end world guess you can communist countri nazi germani complain you complain and shoot shoot real bad aim guess peopl you live countri world person can complain get shot peopl complain that thi wrong that wrong sit and figur two thing wors can and you find that you and pretti damn lucki talk action decid not overreact liberti talk thi doesn make problem doesn make opposit not you can bet wors angel foghorn leghorn coe northeastern edu btw opinion and not that entiti god full star dave don you compani epidem
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sci.crypt	shelf cheap de keyseach machin corpor accept wiretap chip articl apr ulyss att smb research att steven bellovin write rememb that promis committe expert cryptosystem design hope silicon jock committe can follow algorithm hardwar doubt nsa pull monkei busi thi point expect that chip will revers engin sooner obviou opportun introduc addit hole steve bellovin pgp kei finger mail eli ebrandt jarthur claremont edu
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sci.crypt	shelf cheap de keyseach machin corpor accept wiretap chip articl apr ulyss att smb research att steven bellovin write articl demon graham toal gtoal gtoal write articl apr ulyss att smb research att steven bellovin write thousand ten thousand arithmet skipjack kei don bit count that doesn worri not cheat can caught and kei size thing that can verifi extern feed lot random kei input pair into chip flip random kei bit and happen output happen half output bit vari averag bit kei chang input chang build weak cryptosystem case that bit power sens that enter into encrypt late game contrast de design us each kei bit earli output chang rate appear earli round don nsa cheat that crude like caught cryptosytem that start xore bit and and not bit thi xor thi system make earli us bit exhaust kei search kei search your test vari singl kei bit wouldn turn interest rememb that promis committe expert cryptosystem design you assum de bias subkei gener schedul will stick sore thumb algorithm suggest stick sore thumb design system subtl kei redund hidden make exhaust kei search encrypt don your claim that real keysiz can verifi extern andi latto andyl harlequin
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sci.med	ring ear articl ncrwat waterloo ncr jfare iss waterloo ncr jim fare write friend mine troubl ear ring ring loud that great difficulti sleep night that hasn had normal night sleep month thi make depress doctor put anti depress sometim problem doctor prescrib medicin thi don exact situat and anti depress work isn help ring ring start suddenli month ago quickli lose sleep social life and saniti thi mine start year back turn tinnitu bilater translat ring ear basic thi us and drive nut nowadai plug ear finger check ring you us get tune thi read not person experi treatment for thi experi cope mechan opinion anti depress drug million physician you learn cope mention earlier ignor eventu becom unconsci doc caus diet caffein and stress haven chang lifestyl and come and somewhat rare notic kick doesn necessarili mean hear loss caus caus had ent ear nose throat exam and pass fact hear quit good don good care hear reaction normal tinnitu chanc good begin not even notic thi info expert experi and read year back and don specif handi
sci.med	emphysema question friend mine thi week for test emphysema lung capac decreas time father di diseas work woodwork occasion cigarett perhap cigarett dai even tell thi never light pretti healthi life style habit good diet exercis medit retreat therapi etc concern thi check noth diseas interfer line lung exchang oxygen diagnosi emphysema death sentenc give smoke that chanc for recoveri modern therapi us peopl thi diseas inform amigan cup portal
sci.med	oili skin problem articl apr vaxc steven tech edu hwong vaxc steven tech edu write oili skin problem wash face becom oili half hour nose region thi ill can prevent occur such short time cleanser that will job that clean face won becom oili such short time don that problem face quit oili had moder acn problem for year found that vigor scrub face nail brush and soap irish spring twice dai acn not problem can leav pretti health nose print mirror min don acn not real problem anymor
sci.med	migrain and scan nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye neurolog consult cheaper scan and neurologist can make differenti diagnosi migrain tension type headach cluster benign intracrani hypertens chronic paroxysm hemicrania and headach syndrom that normal scan neurologist can recommend treatment that diagnosi sinc peopl convinc brain tumor patholog cheaper scan come into week and easier take time reassur patient person don thi can justifi sigh never justifi sometim even show thorough detail histori neurolog examin and discuss patient diagnosi salt lot reassur patient can you order scan can absolut aunt milli get into convers aunt milli headach for year and di brain tumor aneurysm you can order imag for patient benign headach syndrom hear your magic onc bypass imag get eeg mind you don eeg terribl sensit for brain tumor patient feel hour spent talk and examin patient noth eeg ioniz radiat cheaper mri and eeg bring monei depart slmr mail jim zisfein factori jim zisfein
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sci.med	mysteri ill ey problem friend symptom occur period month for last year episod begin extrem tired travel joint pain and stiff affect elbow knee and hip gener muscl pain tinnitu and feel pressur ear sever sweat occur night and dai hemorrhag ey opthamologist call peripher retin hemorhag and similar diabet retinopathi isn diabet check distort color vision and distort vision gener telephon pole not straight loss peripher vision test run and normal for call unidentifi bright object found mri brain thing that allevi episod prednison time had per dai whenev get symptom becom acut quit concern retin hemorrhag wors each episod and vision suffer doc idea thi condit can stop suggest advic greatli appreci advanc kathi turner
sci.med	diet work great articl apr inmet camb inmet mazur bluefin camb inmet beth mazur write apr omen caf omen chuck forsberg kgx write gordon your experi valid for not fact that you peopl overweight and stabl lower normal weight not contradict observ that per cent can maintain ideal weight current technolog observ that seek your call diet evangelist can maintain weight happen agre keith lynch that peopl can and lose weight and not reflect dismal failur rate that quot wasn studi research ask gener popul perhap part univers commun weight loss and found that higher percentag had lost and maintain fact adipos mention similar studi search for life event recent version adipos problem anecdot report individu lost weight and that don caus weight gain place thi critic gain weight temporari drug effect life event etc success diet weight loss result revers temporari condit that caus weight gain chuck forsberg kgx tektronix reed omen caf author ymodem zmodem profession yam zcomm and dsz omen technolog inc high reliabl softwar sauvi portland
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sci.med	jigger articl ppae bigboot wpi edu susan wpi wpi edu susan write friend mine sever jigger for year lot pain recent read don cure for jigger inform thi can rememb name treatment read flame for thi kid uncl cabin middl bass island lake eri home nasti case jigger larg red bump bugger had burrow into skin mother paint bump clear finger nail polish thi repeat daili for week applic polish suppos suffoc seal skin can work for word caution put finger nail polish jigger bite sting hell flame for thi put jam pocket and call toast kentcomm jperkski aldhfn akron and kentcomm jperkski legend akron
sci.med	teenag acn son usual teenag spotti chin and greasi nose bought clearasil face wash and ointment that usual good diet product call dalacin us doctor prescript treatment not chemist counter ask coupl pharmacist acn not sever for dalacin that clearasil had odd spot teenag noth father don figur acn escal into disfigur kid senstit appear wari neighbour son had thi wierd maladi that eventu put overdos vitamin acn treatment want treatment son scali hairlin scalp sort teenag cradl cap pointer advic thi coupl anti dandruff shampoo and inclin make condit wors not buri kid till flog will continu moral improv pchurch swell actrix gen pat churchil wellington zealand
sci.med	sex problem larri silverberg albnyvm bitnet wrote suggest sex counselor don want interest you thi info request net for world not you react found you accept advic unknown entiti counselor suggest appreci counselor you ask
sci.med	oili skin problem articl apr vaxc steven tech edu hwong vaxc steven tech edu write oili skin problem wash face becom oili half hour nose region thi ill can prevent occur such short time cleanser that will job that clean face won becom oili such short time you for suggest thi diseas skin oili us hot you fry egg oili face yr and skin younger told peopl skin oili tini wrinkl your lucki star for that skin
sci.med	contracept pill simpl question that contracept pill prevent ovul nest vagina and forc fall month not prevent fertilz ovul true risk extra uterin pregnanc that develop ovul insid fallopian tube cherbonni jec zurich ibm
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sci.med	sci med chemistri julkunen messi uku julkunen messi uku antero julkunen write thi newsgroup sci med physic and quit lot discuss thi group chemic item prolactin cholesterol tsh etc newsgroup sci med chemistri potenti chemistri split classif into biochemistri topic you think and pharmaceut end bio chemistri thi separ issu whether suffici potenti new volum support group add medic health newsgroup list forward post and discuss not for anoth dai pete
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sci.med	contracept pill jec watson ibm wrote simpl question that contracept pill prevent ovul nest vagina and forc fall month not prevent fertilz ovul true risk extra uterin pregnanc that develop ovul insid fallopian tube that not pill work iud work oral contracept pill prevent ovul occur provid negatv feedback pituitari gland and prevent surg that occur time ovul iud happen that fertil occur devic prevent implant wall uteru not vagina kenneth gilbert univers pittsburgh gener intern medicin dammit not programm
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sci.med	ear problem fly can develop ear problem fly hear that pilot and steward ess limit maximum number fly hour limit main problem associ long haul hour trip frequent flyer
sci.med	human breast feed myth realiti articl vhwo hlt tripo homer tripo webster homer write rjasoar vnet ibm robert alexand write addit question long mother breast feed child friend mine nurs two year thi benefici husband us coninu nurs two year proof unfit mother studi breast feed past year etc psycholog health child web homer wife breast fed boi month month and month and and year fairli normal notic neg correl ear infect and length time nurs small sampl notic that and year eat lot that breast feed don understand unfit mother charg tactic not low for folk divorc child custodi battl develop nation practic breast feed and year screw us cow milk commerci formula doctor bobbi akgua rjb
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sci.med	smoker lung articl apr kuhub ukan edu bennett kuhub ukan edu write long smoker lung clear tar quit your chanc get lung cancer decreas quickli consider amount time for that happen that read recent time scienc time scienc new that evid that smoker risk lung cancer never return that person never smoke close find articl and post sinc memori hazi specif you interest michael
sci.med	migrain therapi articl htmw olsen lindi olsen lindi foster write treat therapi for migrain prophylaxi and treatment and propanolol xdaili relief start per dai propranolol homeopath dose migrain you fatigu that level that you will toler beta blocker you antidepress rout like antidepress work migrain prophylaxi singl nightim dose don work migrain seratonin gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
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sci.med	updat thi lyme articl mar equat jod equat john setel donnel write imho you lyme diseas told you thi privat email and predict that you start migrat pain and joint imho origin poster busi solicit diagnos net donnel busi suppli thi major reason real physician avoid thi newsgroup plagu anoth exampl doubl standard physician offer diagnos and treat net can su peopl qualif free want and disclaim not doctor and thi crap net period
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sci.med	lung disord and club finger articl slagl mar sgi msd lmsc lockhe slagl lmsc lockhe write can enlighten relationship lung disord and club swell and widen fingertip mechan and physician call for chest xrai diagnos club purist distinguish true club and pseudo club differ that true club angl nail view side constantli neg proceed distal fingertip pseudo club angl initi posit neg normal situat real internist can talk for hour club limit coupl minut whether thi distinct realiti unclear thing that internist love paw round supposedli true club associ diseas problem that list diseas associ club quit long and includ congenit condit and acquir diseas sinc diseas associ cardiopulmonari problem lead left shunt and chronic hypoxemia reason chest xrai congenit abnorm diagnos cardiac catheter club unclear relat factor caus blood vessel distal fingertip dilat abnorm club thing examin tipoff extens examin club quit appar
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sci.med	menang question articl nzn mzx crdnn crd brooksbi brigham nosubdomain nodomain glen brooksbi write thi past weekend friend mine lost month daughter matter hour form menang person inform call nicer meningicoci retrospect diseas struck fridai even and pass saturdai symptom rash that start small and began progress rapidli began turn blue eventu tip that thi that time late thi second hand info question thi unusu form menang transmit work kill quickli neiseria meningococcu common form mening that sometim sweep school boot camp contagi and kill attack cover brain caus blood vessel thrombos and brain swell treatabl caught time isn time rash tip infant suscept dy bacteri mening infant fever becom stiff letharg rush hospit spinal tap will show mening seizur can occur famili member told kind medic prevent carrier didn concern wife and come visit can live throat carrier don worri you won medic gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	can breath articl mar tijc pj tijc paul schmidt write import verifi procedur proper studi show worthi and risk read interest tidbit that medic treatment unproven and not base scientif fact for exampl treatment prostat cancer unproven and treatment danger diseas articl read you read thi don thi true medic treatment base scienc difficult prove certitud true that thing that found work good explan for almost scientif rational common treatment for prostat cancer hormon therapi proven work radiat and chemotherapi treatment articl not proven gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	sinu migrain sinu endoscopi notic year ago that analges fairli regularli motrin time lot migrain had forgotten that start read post gener don nsaid tylenol for headach found ineffect two pain sourc that forc nsaid naprosyn pelvic pain that begin period and wors midcycl had surgeri for endometriosi past year ago dr that pain due endometriosi come back synarel reduc pain mo pain return immedi stop doctor suggest hysterectomi real solut problem don expect children don idea uteru and remain ovari remov ovari remov had surgeri for endometriosi dr that suggest hysterectomi expert laser surgeri perhap think that type procedur worthwhil women plan children basic left tough pain thi imposs naprosyn similar not aspirin that doesn work and motrin gave horribl gastriti year ago fact naprosyn work elimin pain regularli had sever back pain and pain leg discuss moment gener wait pain naprosyn take hour for reduc pain quit effect reduc pain take quit meantim frequent sever pain pain sourc chronic lower back pain result bilater radiculopathi had mri xrai scan and emg had and don intend that nerv conduct test test not conclus caus back and leg pain mri report bulg degeneratig disk and xrai and mri appar that arthriti read scan that two herniat and hav look film and conclud that herniat second emg and nerv conduct studi show signific denerv compar emg yeah had horribl test call somat evok respons show that intern nerv work fine bottom line that sometim sever pain leg and back pain back pain time can live leg pain analges anti inflammatori medic reduc pain level can work naprosyn regulari for month time stop leg pain wors resum sinc last novemb frequent and primarili for pelvic pain physic therapi for last month time week month therapist put pelvic traction had earlier had caus lot pain back thi time lower weight month two pain leg began traction awai caus discomfort lower back reduc ultrasound and massag don pain leg fact therapist traction week ago get back origin reason for thi post even can avoid take analges for headach can avoid pain sourc that forc us forgot mention that suggest that back surgeri avoid that find migrain difficult deal occassion work can work reduc capac system engin and lot read and write pelvic pain bad can concentr end jump chair minut pain bothersom pain back bad can sever burn leg shoot pain leg electr shock type pain feet and toe and basic get bad can sit end spend time home and bed even analges contribut migrain migrain toler pain sourc lot migrain averag month last dai cafergot time caffien reduc dosag don side effect two diahrea bad headach will eventu cafergot neurologist wasn help told problem cafergot that sumatriptan becom that medic fiornal midrin fiornal codein tegretol and inder didn work couldn toler can doctor satisfi toler pain agre time not lot pain had bad experi surgeri heart stop onc anesthesia told that like succinylcholin and had surgeri time point that even analges can contribut migrain peopl toler pain janic rathmann
sci.med	teenag acn pchurch swell actrix gen pat churchil write son usual teenag spotti chin and greasi nose bought clearasil face wash and ointment that usual good diet product call dalacin us doctor prescript treatment not chemist counter ask coupl pharmacist acn not sever for dalacin that clearasil had odd spot teenag noth father don figur acn escal into disfigur kid senstit appear wari neighbour son had thi wierd maladi that eventu put overdos vitamin acn treatment want treatment son scali hairlin scalp sort teenag cradl cap pointer advic thi coupl anti dandruff shampoo and inclin make condit wors not buri kid till lucki acn teenag didn luck clearasil even skin get oili get miser pimpl dry frequent lukewarm water rins face get scalp thing control that simpl submerg bathwat till soften and wash take dai vitamin miner heard iodin troubl and that us fast food restaur steril equip belief that greasi food acn notic greas face not immedi remov will acn even eat meat keep hair rins mouss dip and sprai face will warm water bath soak cloth face soften oil pore will prevent blackhead bodi oil hydrophil love water and soften and wash chanc that hair limp oily convinc that thing whitehead leav alon will save dai pimpl miseri pry black whitehead can infect red spot pimpl whitehead will break natur dai and won infect that normal pimpl cosmet industri make monei sell peopl idea that incred defect hidden cost even that caus pimpl jacki
sci.med	ring ear jfare iss waterloo ncr jim fare write friend mine troubl ear ring etc folk faq tinnitu ong time suffer tinnitu and neuroscientist look literatur carefulli reason conclus million peopl suffer chronic tinnitu not understood accept treatment that cure experiment treatment help peopl bit report even anecdot massiv good result experiment drug peopl chronic loud tinnitu us nois block sleep sudden onset loud tinnitu can caus injuri and sometim abat month aspirin exacerb tinnitu peopl nation associ tinnitu suffer get us concentr tinnitu becom unnot stress and lack sleep make tinnitu annoi sometim cure not mark dubin professor
sci.med	jigger not world greatest expert chigger type mite indigen south spent lot time contempl bugger past six year sinc move observ gain pain experi reaction chigger vari greatli person person peopl tini red bite sensit and fairli larg swollen sore affair chigger bite gift that give swear that thing will itch for month lot folklor chigger fiction research critter sinc such effect book find subject singl book unc special collect librari not requir base experi and that famili member folk remedi fingernail polish simpli doesn work recal read that theori base that chigger burrow into your skin and continu parti fals like that reaction toxin sort pest releas thi specul approach prevent coupl thing work good insect repel deet such deep wood liber appli ankl waistband etc good start anoth prepar call chig that combin sulfur and kind cream cortison that origin prepar for armi and not commerci summer put thi ankl morn weekend sinc liter can live countri consequ appar don sulfur you can us sulfur dust your bodi cloth repel amount prevent will complet success forget fingernail polish final settl treatment that involv topic applic combin cortison creme reduc inflam and swell and benzocain reliev itch won you thing will you thing wife sinc thi count minor surgeri and not mention gain noth swell and itch can significantli reliev applic hot pack and thi speed recoveri doctor not care chigger urban and suburban doctor appar don encount and rural doctor regard forc natur that endur suspect that come good treatment for chigger make lot monei gari merril princip system develop compil develop sa institut inc sa campu cari sasghm theseu unx sa mcnc sa sasghm
sci.med	diet work great articl mar inmet camb inmet mazur bluefin camb inmet beth mazur write articl toinnh lynx unm edu bhjell carina unm edu write hand good job impli that person weigh lb over fact bodi doesn make moral judgement composit conceiv bodi work hard maintain weight undoubtedli maintain such weight and primarili over didn weight drop back normal gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	blindsight articl werner tol mac soe berkelei edu werner soe berkelei edu john werner write articl pitt geb pitt edu gordon bank wrote explain thought type cone equival rgb you basic type sensit red and green and sensit blue and yellow thi two common kind color blind red green and blue yellow rememb that that case cone color sensit contrari origin respond had claim gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
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sci.med	tuberculosi articl pgh ken mitchum write found that tuberculosi appear medic opps psychiatr condit that can commit for and thi specif law enact year ago vari state state illinoi vener diseas not aid includ syphilli for gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	tuberculosi articl mar iscsvax uni edu klier iscsvax uni edu write multipl drug resist rel phenomenon and largest contribut factor that peopl longer scare antibiot roughli fear hiv not that year ago had drug addict harbor activ that resist chicago differ that such strain becom virul dai such weak didn spread peopl easili and infect person develop complianc medic complianc and develop resist strain problem for long time that drug develop due such strain virul resist strain troubl and measur assur complianc even entail forc gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	fungu epidem articl steward cup portal john joseph deltuvia write stori week ago network new show sort fungu supposedli attack bone structur and somewhat widespread california hear thi fungu california coccidiomycosi hadn heard that attack bone attack lung and you unlucki central nervou system noth for year call vallei fever sinc found inland vallei not coast gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
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sci.med	blindsight articl pitt geb pitt edu gordon bank write articl werner tol mac soe berkelei edu werner soe berkelei edu john werner write articl pitt geb pitt edu gordon bank wrote explain thought type cone equival rgb you basic type sensit red and green and sensit blue and yellow thi two common kind color blind red green and blue yellow rememb that that case cone color sensit contrari origin respond had claim not origin respond reiter cone respond portion spectrum rod respond part visibl spectrum bluegreen case reddish amphibia hosesho crab limulu polyphemu photoreceptor respond portion spectrum etc common misconcept confound wavelength specif color sensit two not synonym sum and beat dead hors output cone match for number absorb photon irrespect absorb photon wavelength cone output indistinguish cone simpli detector spectral sensit and not color sensit rod ommatidia photoreceptor color vision aris output receptor sampl part spectrum cone thi case process central handwav intent work and publish research rod and cone for year adher belief that cone can detect color frustrat don word for repost excel articl togeth two good oldish color vision text text robert boynton human color vision holt rhiehart and winston leo hurvich color vision sinauer associ origin articl baylor and hodgkin detect and resolut visual stimuli turtl phoreceptor physiol baylor lamb and yau repons retin rod singl photon physiol schnapf visual transduct cone monkei macaca fasciculari physiol edwin barkdol barkdol lepomi psych upenn edu world std edwin barkdol world std
sci.med	donat organ articl pitt geb pitt edu gordon bank write articl mar sbc sunysb edu mhollowa sunysb edu michael hollowai write recent transplant proceed somesuch xenograft liver section transplant live donor pittsburgh group publish baboon work don chicago lobe transplant live donor and publish case report xenotranspl publish lancet can send you reprint you interest anoth paper sort tour horizon written starzl and publish resid edit annal surgeri vol octob surgic resid newslett section you won find regular issu annal don reprint that paper accept for public immunolog todai not come describ experi two xenograft date for segment liver transplant live relat donor confess total ignor that literatur philosoph oppos and don that field howard doyl doyl pitt edu
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sci.med	scienc and methodolog articl apr sbc sunysb edu mhollowa sunysb edu michael hollowai write articl ggb new hawaii edu ladi uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lee ladi write point that argument scienc sci med sci psycholog etc not case peopl reject scientif argument evid proof case adequ scientif research case quit bit evid isn format fit doctrinair concept scienc thi confus proof and process scienc you make precis point want make fulli agre you that big distinct process scienc and end result end result scienc result that object verifi noth object process scienc good empir research and show that merit homeopath remedi thi valuabl inform not mean that homeopathi qualifi scienc thi you and disagre turpin order scienc theoret structur that make sens not mere collect empir valid random hypothes experi and empir studi import part scienc culmin scientif research import part true scientif methodolog scientif think thi not hypothes worth test hypothes not leap you you data simpli come you flash dai you shave window not you lot good think differ nobel prize level scientist and mediocr scientist not lie qualiti empir methodolog depend qualiti think bother that graduat student that scienc conduct empir studi and bother even that field such part psycholog think mere studi test hoc hypothes and offend russel turpin repeat assert that scienc amount noth avoid mistak simpli avoid mistak doesn you anywher argument behaviorist and cognitivist psycholog scienc collect compet religi sect ladi uhunix uhcc hawaii edu ladi uhunix bitnet
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sci.med	food relat seizur post thi group hope find network newsland heard similar describ fourteen year daugter experienc seizur novemb eat kellog frost flake perfectli healthi had never experienc thi and histori seizur side famili test eeg mri ekg neg decis made noth and wait happen fine and morn april had bowl anoth kellog frost kind cereal fruit loop embarrass admit that even bought that junk onc pour bowl and thi kind junk eat had that seizur ten minut had full blown seizur thi exposur sugar coat cereal sinc last seizur mention at time reason for seizur neurologist basic negat that idea thi second episod similar natur even scratch head onc eeg normal understand can happen even person seizur onc wait think that good larg group experi thi kind thing that member medic commun sometim loath admit import that diet and food plai gener health and you can guess worri sick thi and idea wordi want across sharon paulson paulson larc nasa gov nasa langlei research center bldg mailstop work hampton virginia home
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr walter bellcor jchen ctt bellcor write chines and asian japanes korean etc us msg flavor enhanc for two thousand year you that knew make msg chemic process not extract natur food such sea food and meat broth and add fuel flame war read year ago that natur msg extract sourc you mention not report aftereffect that nasti artifici msg extract coal tar that chines restaur syndrom find thi pretti hard heard andrew
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl apr ecsvax uncec edu ccreegan ecsvax uncec edu charl creegan write kekul infam deriv idea benzen ring daydream snake fire bite tail thi specif count turn repeatedli basic phil sci text exampl invent compon hypothes and demolish myth robert scott root bernstein book discov ring structur for benzen had propos kekul and time current model not resembl kekul predecessor kekul structur resembl modern model don extra scientif phrase discuss boundari scienc propos definien extra ration phrase fact quit number case extra ration consider drive scienc direct for exampl pasteur discov that racem acid mixtur enantiom origin stereochemistri partli like friend crank theori chemic action friend wrong pasteur discoveri stood prior investig mitscherlich phenomenon had miss crucial detail lack pasteur motiv find that distinguish racem acid tartar tartar acid pasteur discov differenti ferment enantiom tartar acid not ration convict produc yeast that live tartar acid notebook contain fantasi newton mirror imag life never admit public perhap exampl discoveri that dna carri gene averi start thi work student and ardent anglophil and francophob canadian defend fred griffith discoveri mice griffith critic french decid issu for student averi told replic griffith work vitro student eventu averi convinc and start research program year produc famou discoveri averi macleod and mccarti jem mark fulk univers rochest comput scienc depart fulk rochest edu
sci.med	updat thi lyme articl apr lamont ldgo columbia edu brenner ldgo columbia edu carl brenner write ulterior motiv easi for physician call lyme and treat lot monei involv you bring thi don understand financi for physician ahead and treat physician invest involv kickback scheme home infus compani financi gain for doctor put thi base experi gener practition train infecti diseas establish link lyme commun treat patient come wonder lyme decid lyme that diseas such spirochet not lyme give talk meet user group valid feel even delusion patient etc thi can run mill lot patient hospit and get expens infus that monitor offic and make lot bread get adul hope not cure control and name public put support group etc thi definit temptat gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	water suppli vulner milwauke type diseas outbreak press releas natur resourc defens council data show major water suppli vulner milwauke type diseas outbreak nation desk environ writer contact erik olson sarah silver natur resourc defens council washington april intern epa data releas todai natur resourc defens council reveal that larg water system serv citi boston san francisco not filter remov diseas carri organ leav commun potenti vulner diseas outbreak similar affect milwauke epa list attach intern epa document reveal that safeti water suppli american citi threaten inadequ pollut control filtrat erik olson senior attornei nrdc water contamin isn problem bangladesh problem bozeman and boston june larg surfac water system epa list will break law safe drink water act requir surfac water system filter water fulli protect river lake us pollut olson continu system move eventu implement filtrat system expect miss law deadlin olson point that threat contamin realiti citi survei surfac water system water util scientist found that percent raw water sampl contain milwauke organ cryptosporidium and percent contain similar parasit call giardia ad level concern gener account offic studi releas todai hous health and environ subcommitte chairman henri waxman defici nation system for conduct and sanitari survei water system thi inform rais huge warn sign that million american can longer simpli turn tap and assur that water safe drink immedi put into place program protect water sourc contamin and thi not assur filtrat equip instal protect public olson note time come for nation water util stop drag feet and aggress protect water contamin consum prepar pai modest cost need assur water safe drink nrdc nation profit environment advocaci organ system epa requir filtrat and not adequ protect watersh connecticut bridgeport bridgeport hydraul massachusett boston resourc author mwra medford mwra medford water dept melros mwra melros water dept hilton mwra hilton water dept needham mwra needham water divis newtoncent mwra newton water dept marblehead mwra marblehead water dept quinci mwra quinci water dept norwood mwra norwood water dept framingham mwra framingham water div cambridg mwra cambridg water dept canton mwra canton water div dpw chelsea mwra chelsea water dept everett mwra everett water dept lexington mwra bedford puo wrk lynn mwra lynn water sewer malden mwra malden water divis rever mwra rever water dept woburn mwra woburn water dept swampscott mwra swampscott water dept saugu mwra saugu water dept somervil mwra somervil water dept stoneman mwra stoneman water dept brooklin mwra brooklin water dept wakefield mwra waltham mwra waltham water divis watertown mwra watertown water divis weston mwra weston water dept dedham mwra dedham westwood district winchest mwra winchest water sewer winthrop mwra winthrop water dept boston mwra boston water sewer hadlei mwra south hadlei fire dist arlington mwra arlington water dept belmont mwra belmont water dept clinton mwra clinton water dept attleboro attleboro water dept fitchburg fitchburg water dept northampton northampton water dept north adam north adam water dept amherst amherst water divis dpw gardner gardner water dept worcest worcest dpw water oper westboro westboro water dept southbridg southbridg water suppli newburyport newburyport water dept hingham hingham water brockton brockton water dept main rockland camden rockland water bath bath water district hampshir keen citi keen salem salem water dept vermont barr citi barr citi water system rutland citi rutland citi water dept york glen fall glen fall citi yorktown ht yorktown water storag dist rochest rochest citi henrietta henrietta rochest mcwa upland system rochest greec consolid york nyc aquaduct sy croton chappaqua castl stanwood beacon beacon citi mamaronek westchest joint water work pennsylvania bethlehem bethlehem public water sy johnstown greater johnstown water auth lock haven citi lock haven water dept shamokin roar creek water comp harrisburg harrisburg citi hazleton hazleton citi water dept wind gap blue consolid apollo westmoreland auth fayettvil guilford water auth humlock creek ceasetown reservoir springbrook water reservoir wilk barr gardner creek wilk barr hill creek wilk barr plymouth relief altoona altoona citi auth tamaqua tamaqua municip water waynesboro waynesboro borough auth pottsvil schuykil mun auth virginia covington citi covington fishersvil south river dist acsa south carolina greenvil greenvil water sy michigan sault ste mari sault ste mari marquett marquett montana butt butt water bozeman bozeman citi california san francisco citi counti san fran nevada reno westpac idaho twin fall twin fall citi washington aberdeen aberdeen water dept centralia centralia water dept nigel allen toronto ontario canada ndallen node hub org
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl apr ecsvax uncec edu ccreegan ecsvax uncec edu charl creegan write kekul infam deriv idea benzen ring daydream snake fire bite tail thi specif count turn repeatedli basic phil sci text exampl invent compon hypothes question extra scientif thi long time sinc propos restrict come idea order for consid legitim hypothes point short thi hypothes and specul scienc come wild flight fanci daydream ancient tradit modern quackeri anywher russel
sci.med	exercis and migrain talk migrain and exercis can fathom thought exercis migrain turn thread dai plai tenni lunch hour tenni shape intens exercis overh and dehydr notic tingl sensat head hour feel migrain start continu drink water afternoon cafergot didn and pain start wasn intens and that night pain subsid thi isn time that had migrain occur exercis wonder had experi and trigger migrain thi situat heat buildup dehydr not give tenni can into shape and don plai high noon prevent thi janet jaksti am mcdcup ntmtv janet northern telecom internet janet ntmtv mtn view
sci.med	erythromycin erythromycin effect treat pneumonia
sci.med	chronic sinu and antibiot nose cultur show staph ceftin even ceclor suprax not kill staph treat bacteri infect involv lot and fail infect involv multipl organ resist strain hemophilu influenza strain resist work for and organ not work for you and experi ken colbi
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl qjc finn gap caltech edu carl sol gp caltech edu write msg food addit you put msg gelatin capsul not reaction becasu sensori respons element creation msg reaction bet bogu medic research never even thought that obviou fact gee mean placebo effect research thi carl not placebo effect hypothesis sensori respons msg effect flavor respons for msg reaction steve
sci.med	diet work great gordon bank lot back morbid obes cycl success depend larg fluctuat cycl peopl can cycl pound not thi describ situat perfectli for constant dynam tendenc eat appear total limitless and pure consciou desir not put weight fat diet exercis vari degre success extra weight cycl rang smaller and larger cycl occur afraid that thi method will stop work somedai hold weight gain check thi reason hard time accept notion metabol derang associ cycl diet that result long term weight gain cycl diet for year such chang vigor exercis program can long keep cycl smaller and baselin weight low brian
sci.med	eugen year type eugen will even sooner map human genom will start work manipul that genom genet engin will insert gene want breed hybrid etc ethic question thi make race diseas free long live arnold schwartzenegg muscl supermen even can gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	homeopathi respect medic tradit articl pitt geb pitt edu gordon bank write accept not scientist peopl countri wast time and monei quackeri britain and scandanavia work not paid for countri don you told person care lot and worri start put health and monei into homeopathi know get into and reason post place homeopathi that britain homeopathi nation health servic and that gp us homeopath practic true fals import and document investig into homeopath principl read book homeopathi weekend turn section principl homeopath medicin and two paragraph inform that homeopath don feel oblig provid sort explan author state thi pride sort virtu sceptic homeopathi narrow mind bigot homeopathi witch doctori daniel
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit sasghm theseu unx sa gari merril write ted marvin dgbt doc ted grusec write gari extra scientif not mean impli that hypothesi gener not case extrem close ti state knowledg scientif area meant that scientif logic involv process induct not deduct puzzl propos distinct scientif logic and induct logic thi point don clue you mean extra scientif you mean that time come idea that can trace prior theori concept knowledg etc thi fairli common observ for grin genuin exampl for grin kekul hypothes reson structur for aromat benzen ring wake dream snake swallow tail archimed formal principl buoyanc medit bath case connect prior theori concept etc you stipul intuit leap current think develop idea subsequ prove predict power stood test experiment verif pardon kibbutz tom
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl qqinngv utexa edu turpin utexa edu russel turpin write articl apr ecsvax uncec edu ccreegan ecsvax uncec edu charl creegan write kekul infam deriv idea benzen ring daydream snake fire bite tail thi specif count turn repeatedli basic phil sci text exampl invent compon hypothes question extra scientif thi long time sinc propos restrict come idea order for consid legitim hypothes point short thi hypothes and specul scienc come wild flight fanci daydream ancient tradit modern quackeri anywher russel typic don not wild flight fanci serv can serv relat hypothesi somewhat interest that challang provid exampl thi sort come kekul sure appar thi regard extrem exampl ration process scienc success hypothesi propos ration can hope explain kekul had daydream snake fire bite tail sure wasn daydream had special thi had perceiv analog geometri snake and problem geometri molecul such analog reason extra scientif heart scienc peric notion abduct us model and across disciplin close examin ration mystic leap take place perhap closer formal incomplet analog model gari merril princip system develop compil develop sa institut inc sa campu cari sasghm theseu unx sa mcnc sa sasghm
sci.med	emphysema question for your assist can brand patch two brand two melissa mmatusev radford vak edu time you find that not pleas thing want not logic true spock stonn
sci.med	scienc and methodolog articl new hawaii edu ladi uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lee ladi write differ nobel prize level scientist and mediocr scientist not lie qualiti empir methodolog depend qualiti think bother that graduat student that scienc conduct empir studi and offend russel turpin repeat assert that scienc amount noth avoid mistak simpli avoid mistak doesn you anywher that lee ladi and talk cross purpos ladi concern contrast great scienc that make big advanc knowledg and mediocr scienc that make smaller step thi thread concern differ scienc and not lee ladi correct assert that differ einstein and averag post doc physicist qualiti thought differ einstein and geniu great scientist great thought scientif screwi give velikovski korzybski exampl you don choos your differ mediocr physicist and mediocr propon einstein and mediocr physcist disciplin work cumul knowledg previou research wrong velikovski and mediocr propon fail thi approach thi second direct ask review paper for journal confer kind critic that can make kind critic that work wrong misinform anoth kind critic that work technic correct not import not interest differ that point second differ that lee ladi discuss good empir research and show that merit homeopath remedi thi valuabl inform not mean that homeopathi qualifi scienc thi you and disagre turpin point that for homeopathi consid scientif need test theoret claim not propos remedi similarli suspect that tradit chines medicin remedi that work lack exampl experi that test presenc order scienc theoret structur that make sens not mere collect empir valid random hypothes theoret structur that make sens goal area not thi noth wrong form and test smaller hypothes face cannot wait for einstein come and make clear for sometim not einstein plug and make small amount progress can russel
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl apr rochest edu fulk rochest edu mark fulk write don extra scientif phrase discuss boundari scienc propos definien extra ration phrase fact quit number case extra ration consider drive scienc direct yeah problem hold extra ration exampl exemplar refut found methodolog that you run smack such unus direct lysenko such extra ration case curios not guid methodolog gari merril princip system develop compil develop sa institut inc sa campu cari sasghm theseu unx sa mcnc sa sasghm
sci.med	chronic sinu and antibiot you can swab insid your nose bacitracin tip bacitracin antibiot that can bought otc ointment tube doctor listen radio appli for dai you take antibiot mouth
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr tm micro david tm micro david thoma write cnavarro cymbal calpoli edu clair write such thing msg monosodium glutam sensit time sundai that scientist testifi fda advisori panel that complaint msg sensit superstit experi contrari rememb that issu come coupl time sinc call chines restaur syndrom chines cuisin us dozen post anecdot evid fact suspect strong psycholog effect work result scientif studi doubl blind trial anoth anecdot stori picki eater and never want chines food final order girl time had never heard chines restaur syndrom group restaur and share dish didn tast great decid wasn bad home and bed earli woke and puke gut out threw for long that not kid pull muscl tongu dry heav and sick and not allerg that suffic that wont into chines restaur physic threaten smell food make ill and that psycholg reaction drag suffer beef and broccoli sauc insist msg haven sick doug bank privat system divis dougb ec comm mot motorola commun sector dougb nwu edu schaumburg illinoi dougb casbah acn nwu edu
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sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl apr microsoft tomca microsoft tom carei write for grin kekul hypothes reson structur for aromat benzen ring wake dream snake swallow tail archimed formal principl buoyanc medit bath archimed case descript observ phenomena bath accur medit bath buoyanc intens environ gari merril princip system develop compil develop sa institut inc sa campu cari sasghm theseu unx sa mcnc sa sasghm
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr lmpsbb comm mot dougb comm mot doug bank write woke and puke gut out threw for long that not kid pull muscl tongu dry heav and sick and not allerg that funni thing personali stori reaction msg vari greatli that heart beat speed flush face claim heart skip beat onc react headach stomach ach had wateri ey run nose had itchi skin rash accus includ respir difficulti and brain damag vomit guess that msg becom number suspect problem thi case food poison you heard thing msg you jason chen
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr lmpsbb comm mot dougb comm mot doug bank write anoth anecdot stori picki eater and never want chines food final order girl time had never heard chines restaur syndrom group restaur and share dish didn tast great decid wasn bad home and bed earli woke and puke gut out threw for long that not kid pull muscl tongu dry heav and sick and not allerg that suffic that wont into chines restaur physic threaten smell food make ill and that psycholg reaction drag suffer beef and broccoli sauc insist msg haven sick had similar reaction chines food completli conclus eaten chines food for ag and never had problem chines malaysian friend swanki chins rest and order lot stuff had never thing can rememb that meal scallop serv shell soi type sauc thought had scallop onc and sick that coincid that night sat bathroom floor sweat and empti stomach hard decid never touch anoth scallop not allerg don want chanc ami mossman
sci.med	exercis and migrain articl apr ntmtv janet ntmtv janet jaksti write thi isn time that had migrain occur exercis wonder had experi and trigger migrain thi situat heat buildup dehydr not give tenni can into shape and don plai high noon prevent thi migrain exercis for relat exercis eaten recent sherri nichol snichol adob
sci.med	scienc and methodolog articl linnl utexa edu turpin utexa edu russel turpin write articl new hawaii edu ladi uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lee ladi write differ nobel prize level scientist and mediocr scientist not lie qualiti empir methodolog depend qualiti think lee ladi correct assert that differ einstein and averag post doc physicist qualiti thought differ einstein and geniu great scientist great thought scientif screwi thi exampl wrong case famou physicist tell anoth that wrong recal quot your idea crazi not crazi typic screwbal somewhat screwi herman rubin dept statist purdu univ west lafayett phone hrubin snap stat purdu edu internet bitnet purdu pur snap stat hrubin
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl krl unx sa sasghm theseu unx sa gari merril write articl apr rochest edu fulk rochest edu mark fulk write don extra scientif phrase discuss boundari scienc propos definien extra ration phrase fact quit number case extra ration consider drive scienc direct yeah problem hold extra ration exampl exemplar refut found methodolog that you run smack such unus direct lysenko such extra ration case curios not guid methodolog note distinct motiv and method experiment result accept describ suffici detail replic and replic reproduc result theoret argument accept present suffici detail and reason knowleg peopl agre forc logic peopl experi and pursu argument for sort crazi reason irrat motiv not curious larg part histori scienc coupl neg point make theori conceiv becom accept direct verif exist for exampl quark accept part standard model physic direct verif need theori base that predict medic realiti altern central theoret claim lie forev experi long suffici bodi experiment data that theori predict wouldn hold breath wait for triumph don that even coher theori base theori that explain modern biologi and hard imagin theori that not predict directli verifi exist scienc not histor progress sort ration experi data theori sequenc experi carri and interpret pre exist theoret framework theoret controversi dai determin experi huge messi affair person jealousi crazi motiv petti hatr and that determin experi and comput forward critic function scienc result don count can replic system sort mechan for gener and test gener part can total irrat long test part work properli pasteur like chemic activ and crystal even mitscherlich had agre that racem acid crystal hand that you separ handed you two chemic that rotat polar light opposit direct and rotat version indistinguish tartar acid pasteur irrat motiv had led replic and import result thi lysenko creationist etc fail not even produc coher theori that predict theori predict and contradict experi not conced point and modifi theori suppress result lysenko divert attent evid support posit creationist mark fulk univers rochest comput scienc depart fulk rochest edu
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sci.med	eugen articl pitt geb pitt edu gordon bank write thi make race diseas free long live arnold schwartzenegg muscl supermen even can long make for
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit gari merril write not wild flight fanci serv can serv relat hypothesi somewhat interest that challang provid exampl thi sort come kekul sure appar thi regard extrem exampl ration process scienc success hypothesi propos ration extrem exampl connect kekul and problem fortun not extraordinari for exampl receiv conjur solut hypothes for solut everydai problem moment occupi activ quit remov algorithm for that softwar featur come trampl meadow occasion run altern wai instruct and rear son arriv weed garden swear not think idea come idea not stuff great discoveri connect problem fraught deliber and occasion fit ration sure wasn daydream kekul had special thi had perceiv analog geometri snake and problem geometri molecul and lucki such color vivid imag ala will never figur return worm loos soil garden brought count object count mind year fledg arithmet skill close examin ration mystic leap take place perhap closer formal incomplet analog model worm wiggl dirt fascin son regard ted ted lehr thought opinion and question futur system technolog group aw ibm internet lehr futserv austin ibm austin
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit avoid mistak highli desir wide acknowledg that perfection inimic creativ and ordinari life perfection carri point indic psycholog disord extrem case perfectionist becom paralyz mistak make that unabl even leav hous scienc want discov truth world and want certainti discoveri trade two desiderata search for scope and search for certainti centuri mathematician had demand total rigor newton and leibniz calculu todai two explain calculu that made sens sinc lack concept limit and fact lack rigor foundat made number error us calculu hundr year that weistrass give solid ground for idea newton and leibniz nonetheless newton and leibniz undoubtedli scienc and mathemat gain great deal applic import idea lost mistak made articl apr kestrel edu king reason dick king write write doubt einstein us formal methodolog propos numer experi perform distinguish univers special rel hold not einstein plai rule demand that hypothes put exist specif experi that disprov not rule post sci med and sci psycholog poster not support carefulli design control studi not scienc extrem that attitud that empir studi and idea noth result complet stultif scienc for thing insist elabor and expens methodolog result sort scientif trade union establish and lack institut corpor support chanc obtain hear don that thi intent arbit scientif methodolog nonetheless result and institut scienc produc wonder result foolish arrog for scientist that establish and perfect empir methodolog will come worthwhil big buck approach scienc promot signific error scienc choos investig question can readili handl fashion methodolog can readili institut corpor sponsorship for direct attent question fundament signific for instanc question cannot easili investig statist method relev factor not quantit argu that thi case for almost question area psycholog opinion perus paper result attempt psychologist forc question into statist framework lie russel turpin assert that current scientif method avoid error that ask wrong question fundament error scienc ignor potenti valuabl idea and that scientif journal full studi impecc empir method worthless wrong question ask place argument behaviorist and cognitivist psycholog scienc collect compet religi sect ladi uhunix uhcc hawaii edu ladi uhunix bitnet
sci.med	exercis and migrain articl apr ntmtv janet ntmtv janet jaksti write dai plai tenni lunch hour tenni shape intens exercis overh and dehydr notic tingl sensat head hour feel migrain start continu drink water afternoon cafergot didn and pain start wasn intens and that night pain subsid thi isn time that had migrain occur exercis wonder had experi and trigger migrain thi situat heat buildup dehydr not give tenni can into shape and don plai high noon prevent thi janet sound exactli mine circumst onset symptom cafergot useless durat fact peopl migrain similar such wide variat peopl respect headach that gener don bother share learn mine sinc our alik observ don heat per had winter summer dehydr conceiv figur tank plai shape doesn identifi factor that make differ list descend order import heavi exercis sleep depriv fast skip breakfast physic trauma head bonk heavi exercis preced post adolesc migrain don migrain heavi exercis session factor present sinc discov thi migrain free relaps onc two year cocki long don anymor and stop care hope thi help john
sci.med	erythromycin articl sdcc ucsd edu wsun jeev ucsd edu fiberman write erythromycin effect treat pneumonia not effect fact drug choic for uncompl case commun acquir penumonia kenneth gilbert univers pittsburgh gener intern medicin dammit not programm
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sci.med	erythromycin articl sdcc ucsd edu wsun jeev ucsd edu fiberman write erythromycin effect treat pneumonia depend pneumonia for treat bacteri pneumonia young healthi smoker erythromycin consid antibiot choic sinc cover two common pathogen strep pneumonia and mycoplasma pneumonia david rind rind enterpris bih harvard edu
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr walter bellcor jchen wind bellcor jason chen write articl apr lmpsbb comm mot dougb comm mot doug bank write woke and puke gut out threw for long that not kid pull muscl tongu dry heav and sick and not allerg that funni thing personali stori reaction msg vari greatli that heart beat speed flush face claim heart skip beat onc react headach stomach ach had wateri ey run nose had itchi skin rash accus includ respir difficulti and brain damag vomit guess that msg becom number suspect problem thi case food poison you heard thing msg you surpris surpris peopl react differ thing slightli subject case point brother stung bee allerg bee sting that reaction sever local swell not anaphylact shock not convinc doctor that that not written rule book not surpris find peopl bad reaction msg includ headach stomachach and even vomit not that stuff bad poison and ban peopl awar that can bad effect peopl lone wolf happi dream dream philip and pai price come true slyx usu edu unknown
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sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl apr ecsvax uncec edu ccreegan ecsvax uncec edu charl creegan write kekul infam deriv idea benzen ring daydream snake fire bite tail thi specif count turn repeatedli basic phil sci text exampl invent compon hypothes sometim kekul dream wasn wee bit influenc aromat solvent vapor heh heh neal howard xlh dod computrac inc richardson doh neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaim opinion mine not computrac learn dream gentlemen and perhap learn truth august kekul
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sci.med	can men yeast infect articl noringc fnx netcom nore netcom jon nore write articl tammi vandenboom launchpad unc edu tammi vandenboom write potenti stupid question possibl wrong new group can men yeast infect spread kind symptom similar women yeast infect and husband natur paranoid good dai gonna catch and ask not symptom answer and sci med can expand thi jon person experi that men can yeast infect nasti time time area scrotum and base peni danger for for women goddamn hurt summertim even wintertim sweat uncomfi thing can control weight and cool short degre weather that kind thing and occasion sun lost boi
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sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr usu edu slyx usu edu write surpris surpris peopl react differ thing slightli subject case point brother stung bee allerg bee sting that reaction sever local swell not anaphylact shock not convinc doctor that that not written rule book bee venom isn singl chemic your brother react compon that anaphylact shock peopl similarli chines food isn msg lot ingredi eat lot ingredi don consum happen msg immedi conclud that neg reaction msg not surpris find peopl bad reaction msg includ headach stomachach and even vomit surpris reaction weren due ingredi carl lydick internet carl sol gp caltech edu nsi hepnet sol carl disclaim hei understand vaxen and vm that paid for understand astronomi pure amateur level below directli relat vax vm don hold organ respons for relat vax vm you can hold respons for organ had noth
sci.med	can men yeast infect nore netcom jon nore write articl tammi vandenboom launchpad unc edu tammi vandenboom write potenti stupid question possibl wrong new group can men yeast infect spread kind symptom similar women yeast infect and husband natur paranoid good dai gonna catch and ask not symptom answer and sci med can expand thi recent post account thi post alt tasteless gross detail emphas actual scientif fact
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sci.med	can wear contact prk love faq comment contact lens not option for remain correct and possibl prk interrest thi for whether thi appli prk correct prk involv corneal depth depth such differ thought proceedur simmilar except laser cut tool prk not understand differ faq vision consid clear surgeri glass alon thi completli attribut intent slight undercorrect can compens for glass contact can worn afteral import that not case and consequ surgeri interfer clear vision thing that mind fog lens glass couldn not daniel field aka infospunj lowli phlebe dfield obo calpoli edu biochemistri biotechnolog phlebottom california polytechn state medic totem pole
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sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl szikop cunew szikop superior carleton steven zikopoulo write apr new brandei edu reynold binah brandei edu susan reynold write scientist bias food industri articl long interest post neuroscientist told that msg us neurotoxin that lab us kill neuron mice and rat vitamin and vitamin strong amount can kill kei word dosag and exposur mechan kenneth repli ken blue njit edu for thi elabor simul run devic sit tabl picard tng
sci.med	pointer for info long shot articl zonker apr splinter coe northeastern edu regi donovan zonker silver lc mit edu write thi long shot hell net full peopl strang knowledg for suggest caus health problem rel cousin had health problem for life ag had gynecolog problem earli mid twenti and blind ey not produc moistur mass ey and ear and doctor clue actual appar eyedrop and such complet blind ey and massiv deterior sjogren syndrom induc dryness vagin tissu induc primari biliari cirrhosi abdomin swell due complic sjogren pseudolymphoma can produc splenomegali enlarg spleen rheumatologist sinc you don mention skin disord anemia joint pain you rule erythema nodosum scleroderma josh backon vm huji and thi not relat abdomen stomach swell not thi stomach organ stomach teh area bodi guess step batteri test check intern systm ey net sourc larg amount bizarr knowledg heard thi suggest thing sinc knowledg state come second hand regi zonker silver lc mit edu
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl apr rochest edu fulk rochest edu mark fulk write scienc not histor progress sort ration experi data theori sequenc experi carri and interpret pre exist theoret framework theoret controversi dai determin experi huge messi affair person jealousi crazi motiv petti hatr and that determin experi and comput forward critic function scienc result don count can replic system sort mechan for gener and test gener part can total irrat long test part work properli agre paragraph repeat uncrit standard kuhn lakato feyerabend view progress and ration scienc sinc address issu thi newsgroup not distant past won into wrong observ that explicitli impress and you not fact hold thi view that common perhap even correct approach for scientist follow sit flight fanci and scheme basi jealousi and petti hatr implicitli advanc posit that scienc forward and not clear thi mean context occur gener complet ration and even random plethora hypothes and theori that weed critic function scienc thi critic function subject ration forc mysteri experiment design hypothes creation and theori construct subject jealousi and petti hatr thi equal true applic critic function replic thi lead ala feyerabend view true gener part can total irrat typic not anecdot instanc hypothesi result dream polit view simpli not gener actual histori scienc gari merril princip system develop compil develop sa institut inc sa campu cari sasghm theseu unx sa mcnc sa sasghm
sci.med	seek advic experi back problem articl cbnewsk att janet cooper jmcooper cbnewsk att write mother friend mine experienc disabl back pain mri scan and doctor visit present altern live pain undergo somewhat riski oper leav paralyz sinc symptom pain weel seek advic good multi disciplinari pain clinic distress that peopl stll told live pain option for pain manag treat mri find good pain clinic will accept that thi ladi problem pain and set find wai reliev that don macki opinion anesthesiolog will disavow
sci.med	option back surgeri for protrud disc subject option back surgeri for protrud disc alex miller amil almaden ibm date apr gmt articl coyot alex miller amil almaden ibm write two week limp acut pain low back and leg osteopath mri reveal protrud and extrud disc neurosurgeon prescrib prednisol steroid anti inflamitori and bed rest for dai week and feel slightli wors darvocet time dai can deal daili activ prepar food and sleep neurosurgeon tomorrow and ask whether not thi rest help surgeri step surgic option goal resum full activ includ competit cycl add thi condit opinion result commul wear and tear had chronic low back pain for year manag you don whether not you symptom pain you numb weak bladder problem for exampl suggest for surgeri pain your symptom you find reput multi disciplinari pain clinic your area chronic low back pain gener doesn surgeri acut chronic pain symptom doesn fare correl mri find and symptom controversi don macki opinion will disavow
sci.med	for doctor kind half watch street stori last night and segment thi doctor servic investig treatment for diseas pretti name mark rennig close that watch thi correct name and address phone number
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr nmr mgh harvard edu milsh nmr mgh harvard edu alex milshteyn write thi long ago brain produc and msg natur not dose serv chines place that add that mho msg not enhanc flavor enoughf for miss chines place order food msg goo place will for you want point that food soup prepar big batch restaur won msg sometim pretti hard find thi case not alexand milshteyn milsh cipr server mgh harvard edu cipr mgh boston vox fax david considin dbc welkin gsfc nasa gov
sci.med	can men yeast infect articl apr galileo rochest edu jki uhura rochest edu beav write folk yeast infect male your bet your husband treat and cure your infect intercours you us condom form sexual releas handjob you cure can imagin want intercours full blown yeast infect chanc transmit male quit low circumcis can happen point get recurr yeast infect and suspect boyfriend and reinfect prescript interest for each dai medic week insert medic intercours result action medicin spread and simultan treat
sci.med	intens japanes pitt articl kxix cbnewsd att rcj cbnewsd att rai jender write kind half watch street stori last night and segment thi doctor servic investig treatment for diseas pretti name mark rennig close that watch thi correct name and address phone number intens japanes univers pittsburgh thi summer univers pittsburgh offer two intens japanes languag cours thi summer cours intens elementari japanes and intens intermedi japanes ten week ten credit cours each equival full year japanes languag studi begin june and end august cours meet dai per week hour per dai flat rate tuition charg per fellowship for scienc and engin student contact steven brener program manag japanes scienc and technolog manag program univers pittsburgh number address below interest individu encourag appli thi not limit univers student program announc japanes scienc and technolog manag program japanes scienc and technolog manag program jstmp program jointli develop univers pittsbugh and carnegi mellon univers student and profession engin and scientif communitit encourag appli for class commenc june and januari program object program intend promot technolog transfer japan and unit state design scientist engin and manag experi japanes proce technolog develop thi facilit extend internship japanes research facil and laboratori that provid particip opportun develop long term profession relationship japanes counterpart program design fulfil object program particip will requir develop advanc languag capabl and deep understand japan and cultur correspondingli jstmp consist major compon train japanes languag japanes languag cours will offer includ intens cours design expedit languag prepar for scientist and engin rel short time educ japanes busi and social cultur enphasi attain deep understand cultur and educ basi japanes manag approach manufactur and inform technolog cours will varieti depart univers includ anthropolog sociolog histori and polit scienc seminar and colloquium will conduct field trip japanes manufactur research facil unit state will schedul internship studi mission japan complet languag and cultur train pitt and cmu particip will opportun japan and observ and particip manag technolog internship japan will gener run for year shorter fellowship cover tuition for languag and cultur cours stipend for live expens for inform and applic materi contact steven brener susi brown jstmp carnegi mellon univers gsia univers pittsburgh pittsburgh forb quadrangl telephon pittsburgh fax telephon fax interest individu compani and institut respond phone mail not inquir mail note that thi direct grad and profession advanc undergrad will consid fund restict citizen and perman resid steve brener
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sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr tm micro david tm micro david thoma write articl apr delphi gsfc nasa gov packer delphi gsfc nasa gov charl packer write such thing msg monosodium glutam sensit time sundai that scientist testifi fda advisori panel that complaint msg sensit superstit experi contrari rememb that issu come coupl time sinc call chines restaur syndrom chines cuisin us dozen post anecdot evid fact suspect strong psycholog effect work result scientif studi doubl blind trial check post your you miss amidst flurri respons us thi newsgroup hamper peopl not restrict post matter substanti knowledg for cite msg almost john olnei toxicologist studi effect msg brain and develop undisput literatur that msg excitotox food addit and that major constitu glutam essenti premieri neurotransmitt mammalian brain human includ diet and system get thrown glutam and aspart excitotoxin small amount and freeli food amount ad industri amount that encount singl food eat lot junk food packag soup and diet soft drink jack your blood level high that sensit compound will suffer numer real physi logic effect read olnei review paper prog brain re and check sourc impec disput diann murrai wcsbeau cc carleton
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl unx sa sasghm theseu unx sa gari merril write articl apr rochest edu fulk rochest edu mark fulk write wrong observ that explicitli impress and you not fact hold thi view that common perhap even correct approach for scientist follow sit flight fanci and scheme basi jealousi and petti hatr flight fanci and irrat approach common crucial thing not sit fantasi aren us make you experi lot scientist fantasi lead creativ work won admit loud fantasi prior consumpt beer simpl exampl warren jelinek notic extrem heavi band dna electrophoresi gel human alu fragment excit hope that essenti part control mechan for eukaryot gene thi fantasi led sequenc sampl band and carri bind assai result conserv sequenc that occur time human genom for warren fantasi turn transposon that present copi replic and copi back into genom hand characterist transposon elucid necess cellular revers transcriptas recogn and standard method recogn human dna creat speci set transposon fortun for warren and us eat dinner fridai time implicitli advanc posit that scienc forward and not clear thi mean context occur gener complet ration and even random plethora hypothes and theori that weed critic function scienc not that random ration mechan for gener rich set interest hypothes you work unknown area that you will sens not true circumst thing follow instinct you wrong you will find you will find you experi random prior concept mind you will thi critic function subject ration forc mysteri critic function sometim becom hostag ration forc varieti patholog scienc lysenko mirski opposit dna gene cold fusion and experiment design hypothes creation and theori construct subject jealousi and petti hatr thi equal true applic critic function replic thi lead ala feyerabend view don agre that thi follow fact thi exactli point disagre feyerabend import part cultur scienc that jealousi refere process failur aplenti thing work anoth point coupl sens phrase experiment design that ration part experiment choic not design alexand fleme proc royal soc chose for bacteriophag mucu for strang reason phage had previous found locust diarrhea fleme thought runni bottom runni nose hell worth method for phage design detect phage fact found lysozym true gener part can total irrat typic not anecdot instanc hypothesi result dream polit view simpli not gener actual histori scienc not clear you mean ration irrat perhap you can give exampl surpris experi that for perfectli ration reason interest theori that advanc logic ground main exampl can modern high energi physic not typic scienc mark fulk univers rochest comput scienc depart fulk rochest edu
sci.med	msg sensit superstit jason chen write vomit guess that msg becom number suspect problem thi case food poison you heard thing msg you yeah you read part you quot you left part at thing thing bit you complain that peopl blame msg automat sinc unknown and equal not unreason defend automat assum that can culprit pepper make sneez doesn affect you fine don wrong for peopl aren condemn chines food chen option ingredi not person
sci.med	can wear contact prk articl apr zeu calpoli edu dfield flute calpoli edu infospunj dan field write love faq comment contact lens not option for remain correct and possibl prk interrest thi for whether thi appli prk had prk suggest ask doctor contact mine contact scar preclud contact correct prk involv corneal depth depth such differ thought proceedur simmilar except laser cut tool prk not understand differ make radial cut circumfer cornea and chang curvatur cornea stress chage prk vapor burn thin layer front cornea make optic axi ey shorter laser doesn cut prk vapor ey cut into faq vision consid clear surgeri glass alon thi completli attribut intent slight undercorrect can compens for glass contact can worn afteral import that not case and consequ surgeri interfer clear vision thing that mind fog lens glass couldn not find vision clear for thing and clear for night notic definit halo night dark automobil headlamp thi not spend inordin amount time for ordinari thing vision fulli oper peripher vision clearer glass contact jojo fresh clean speak you want live todai american american bit and even
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl jduo unx sa sasghm theseu unx sa gari merril write can hope explain kekul had daydream snake fire bite tail sure wasn daydream had special thi had perceiv analog geometri snake and problem geometri molecul such analog reason extra scientif heart scienc peric notion abduct us model and across disciplin close examin ration mystic leap take place perhap closer formal incomplet analog model feel repeat kekul dream bad exampl read root bernstein book histori benzen ring mark fulk univers rochest comput scienc depart fulk rochest edu
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl qlgdrinn gap caltech edu carl sol gp caltech edu write articl apr usu edu slyx usu edu write surpris surpris peopl react differ thing slightli subject case point brother stung bee allerg bee sting that reaction sever local swell not anaphylact shock not convinc doctor that that not written rule book bee venom isn singl chemic your brother react compon that anaphylact shock peopl hmmm last time stung bee experienc reaction poster brother doctor worri fact that foot time normal size and itch basic shouldn thi time that bee sting allergi not you tend aclimat that each time progress wors gener and that time time into anaphylact shock admittedli thi year ago young sinc make don stung carri bee sting kit don thi isn scientif proof thi lead not reaction degre reaction allergi work that peopl reaction sort diabet peopl can monitor diet monitor diet and us insulin sometim watch diet hawk and us insulin regularli msg similar peopl allerg reaction peopl allerg ferment thing and can us soi sauc chines for centuri that doesn necessarili mean that safe for johanna turner reed edu
sci.med	chronic sinu and antibiot articl inna mojo eng umd edu georgec eng umd edu georg clark write you can swab insid your nose bacitracin tip bacitracin antibiot that can bought otc ointment tube doctor listen radio appli for dai you take antibiot mouth doctor gave prescript todai for call septra problem and sensit stomach begin thi antibiot good suggest for avoid upset stomach tip phil haan dod that honda that natur execut america you reli peopl you us donald fehr execut director major leagu basebal player associ
sci.med	msg sensit superstit carl sol gp caltech edu carl lydick write bee venom isn singl chemic your brother react compon that anaphylact shock peopl similarli chines food isn msg lot ingredi eat lot ingredi don consum happen msg immedi conclud that neg reaction msg arghhhhhhhhhh read memo that person had peopl order exact food two time restaur and peopl that order food for not time msg food and time not food time had reaction time not reaction time msg food that differ restaur ingredi eat lot ingredi don consum happen msg immedi conclud that neg reaction msg eat lot chines food love chines food learn food restaur that not us msg prepar food msg order food restaur that will hold msg and never soup restaur that cook msg not reaction you understand reaction msg not reaction msg you troubl understand thi word you not understand and dictionari for you great secret success marriag treat disast incid and incid disast harold nicholson mari allison mari uicsl csl uiuc edu urbana illinoi
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl qmlgainnjab col col cab col chri write jason chen write vomit guess that msg becom number suspect problem thi case food poison you heard thing msg you yeah you read part you quot you left part at thing thing bit food poison even peopl share food you complain that peopl blame msg automat sinc unknown and equal not unreason defend automat assum that can culprit boi you comput peopl and not logic not msg not culprit argu that that reason doubt convict msg you want convict msg show evid not quilti suspicion pepper make sneez doesn affect you fine don wrong for forc you chang you don want preach ban pepper that make sneez that exactli anti msg activitiest peopl aren condemn chines food chen option ingredi not person peopl last chen don necessarili chines restaur not interest you enjoi chines food not exploit last name discredit issu hit below belt interest truth give you excert recent fda hear evid oral consum glutam effect brain richard wurtman massachusett institut technolog anecdot experi individu superstit not scienc don glutam made sick and robert kennei georg washington univers conduct doubl blind test show that peopl react msg had similar reaction thought had msg not contradict person stori told thi group due anti msg emot run high that blame for and purpos present balanc view issu outnumb jason chen
sci.med	can wear contact prk articl apr zeu calpoli edu dfield flute calpoli edu infospunj dan field write love faq comment contact lens not option for remain correct and possibl prk interrest thi for whether thi appli prk correct prk involv corneal depth depth such differ myopia cornea curv bulg center prk laser remov small amount materi center surgeon cut incis edg heal and scar reshap cornea mechan and action place
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl qmlgainnjab col col cab col chri write jason chen write vomit guess that msg becom number suspect problem thi case food poison you heard thing msg you yeah you read part you quot you left part at thing thing bit perhap lead you that msg and not ingredi food that made you ill peopl aren condemn chines food chen option ingredi not person and you condemn ingredi evid that that ingredi you react carl lydick internet carl sol gp caltech edu nsi hepnet sol carl disclaim hei understand vaxen and vm that paid for understand astronomi pure amateur level below directli relat vax vm don hold organ respons for relat vax vm you can hold respons for organ had noth
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sci.med	advic doctor patient relationship problem advic situat occur and physican upset thi doctor for problem recur pain suggest medic and treatment and told that call dai begin medic that monitor effect gener health exactli ask and made call reach secretari explain that doctor request and that worri pain episod frequent and medic not effect doctor call back and word you want you make quick busi and don time chit chat you told simpli instruct call dai statu and that feel wors ask perhap time for talk had time respond spit time good time rais voic start feel upset and explain quickli condit nervous interf choic word and kind stutter and never mind and talk colleagu medic and call time thi doctor call that even and didn express confus want thi point pretti upset and told amazingli polit voic angri felt that earlier manner had hurt feel told that doesn time rap patient and thought that want told that assum call rap insult and that order respond that resent implic that felt make that not interest learn patient condit statu gave thi apolog that miscommun and you mistakenli thought insult not insult you not that knowledg pain and don lot time deal that told call dai for instruct deal pain and medic upset and not call question continu thi doctor manag care sinc pain and realiz that thi anxiet perhap react overli sensit thi doctor refer colleagu type pain statu condit afraid call marlena
sci.med	sore throat articl sdcc ucsd edu wsun jeev ucsd edu fiberman write had sore throat for almost week into mirror aid flash light white plaqu back throat side health center throat cultur that not strep throat viral infect white plaqu side throat not doctor thi sound tonsil lit swollen tonsil feel your jaw hing for swell each side you find tonsil had thi coupl time past doctor prescrib week penicillin and that clear case associ glandular fever viral infect point view resembl flu and tonsil that come back for year blood test for thi conclus doctor you not paul paul johnson paj gec mrc tel ext idea and can had gec marconi research not for each reput idealist respons for opinion
sci.med	centrifug articl jsm hr lznj lincroftnj ncr rjf lzsc lincroftnj ncr efw robert feddel write explain centrifug and us for vagu remembr that spin test tube fast rememb youd want that pure recreat bore sit that rack time thi wrong purpos preserv substanc tube longer creat relativist speed and time dilat slow subject time test tube bore you think david rind rind enterpris bih harvard edu
sci.med	advic doctor patient relationship problem sound heart place not adept express you receiv meant profound apolog apolog deliv overwork shy peopl come that michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
sci.med	post fever rash time subject line time run fever amaz rosi rash torso and arm fortun doesn itch rash come dai fever break and matter ill cold flu start happen year ago move current town don that sever and persist rash vari fever sever long last fever bring long last rash mild fever bring rash that faster caus thi embarass curiou carri kind fever resist bug that wild fever knock competit jim jone
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl qkdpk agat berkelei edu mossman cea berkelei edu ami mossman write had similar reaction chines food completli conclus eaten chines food for ag and never had problem chines malaysian friend swanki chins rest and order lot stuff had never thing can rememb that meal scallop serv shell soi type sauc thought had scallop onc and sick that coincid that night sat bathroom floor sweat and empti stomach hard decid never touch anoth scallop not allerg don want chanc don react scallop discomfort clam juic serv american waterfront seafood bar don whether juic homemad can encount chines restaur syndrom ten year ago hour won ton soup collaps chair face feel puf scalp tingl feet weak stand symptom last for minut determin find reaction back chines restuar and order dish thing happen quick insid kitchen reveal noth ordinari had mild attack soup thai restuar
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl apr rochest edu fulk rochest edu mark fulk write flight fanci and irrat approach common crucial thing not sit fantasi aren us make you experi lot scientist fantasi lead creativ work won admit loud fantasi prior consumpt beer simpl exampl warren jelinek notic extrem heavi band dna electrophoresi gel human alu fragment excit hope that essenti part control mechan for eukaryot gene thi fantasi led sequenc sampl band and carri bind assai result conserv sequenc you character thi flight fanci fantasi unfamiliar scientif context appear obviou that specul for lack neutral word signific part consequ knowledg and accept current theori coupl observ that quit ration attempt fit observ into that theori tailor theori cover observ thi not exampl call flight fanci fantasi not clear you mean ration irrat perhap you can give exampl surpris experi that for perfectli ration reason interest theori that advanc logic ground main exampl can modern high energi physic not typic scienc thi thread us word extra scientif etc prepar give gener account ration term exampl danger begin quibbl surpris experi count surpris etc logic ground point that quit frequent perhap even frequent root theori can trace previous exist theori even previous reject hypothes theori domain offer exampl such toricelli pui dome experi for sake sea air hypothesi thi theori and result experiment test surpris prior explan phenomena involv count theori construct and experi design perfectli ration ground pretti success and theori fluid analog fluid toricelli explicit novelti think air fluid thi quit novelti time theori interest argu that extens exist theori domain thi beg question can debat that you gari merril princip system develop compil develop sa institut inc sa campu cari sasghm theseu unx sa mcnc sa sasghm
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sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl qhu agat berkelei edu spp zabriski berkelei edu steve pope write wors that such thing doubl blind studi effect msg virtu fact that msg tast food characterist that detect subject and that cannot duplic placebo common you can easili disguis flavor msg put capsul studi becom doubl blind msg capsul control capsul contain exactli content minu msg mark feblowitz gte laboratori inc sylvan waltham mfeblowitz gte fax
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr cunew carleton wcsbeau alfr carleton opirg write articl apr tm micro david tm micro david thoma write articl apr delphi gsfc nasa gov packer delphi gsfc nasa gov charl packer write such thing msg monosodium glutam sensit time sundai that scientist testifi fda advisori panel that complaint msg sensit superstit experi contrari rememb that issu come coupl time sinc call chines restaur syndrom chines cuisin us dozen post anecdot evid fact suspect strong psycholog effect work result scientif studi doubl blind trial check post your you miss amidst flurri respons us thi newsgroup hamper peopl not restrict post matter substanti knowledg for cite msg almost john olnei toxicologist studi effect msg brain and develop undisput literatur that msg excitotox food addit and that major constitu glutam essenti premieri neurotransmitt mammalian brain human includ diet and system get thrown glutam and aspart excitotoxin small amount and freeli food amount ad industri amount that encount singl food eat lot junk food packag soup and diet soft drink jack your blood level high that sensit compound will suffer numer real physi logic effect read olnei review paper prog brain re and check sourc impec disput diann murrai wcsbeau cc carleton order excitotoxin effect msg msg that blood blood brain barrier that not msg can not normal condit concentr glutam cerebrospin fluid that high activ type glutam receptor nmda receptor question neuron and glial cell brain lot transport glutam into neuron glial exact concentr glutam neuron glutam import neurotransmitt central nervou system involv not daili life control movement alsoinvolv develpo memori and learn involv logn term potentialt that thought basi learn
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr cunew carleton wcsbeau alfr carleton opirg write dozen post anecdot evid fact suspect strong psycholog effect work result scientif studi doubl blind trial check post your hate break thi you articl number uniqu per site mean machin you miss amidst flurri respons you mean respons point doubl blind test show such chines restaur effect uniqu msg elicit placebo us thi newsgroup hamper peopl not restrict post matter substanti knowledg youself can read scientif paper and appar come bizarr crack idea noth us thi substanc human nutrit for cite msg almost john olnei toxicologist studi effect msg brain and develop undisput literatur that msg excitotox food addit undisput literatur that glutam amino acid excitatori neurotransmitt evid that excess releas glutam involv patholog condit stroke drown and lou gehrig diseas name thi complet issu us thi ubiquit amino acid food peopl not receiv intra ventricular inject glutam and that major constitu glutam essenti premieri neurotransmitt mammalian brain human includ don premier import diet and system get thrown sez you such effect human not demonstr control studi infant mice and model not relev matter hand not that favor us thing babi food patent ridicul us addit reason that msg diet effect human advers glutam and aspart excitotoxin small amount and freeli food amount ad industri amount that encount singl food wrong you aspart phenylalanin soft drink milligram worth compar that glass milk you glutam present protein contain food compar that ad us msg eat lot junk food packag soup and diet soft drink jack your blood level high that sensit compound will suffer numer real physi logic effect notic subtl cover ass sensit disput size that class read olnei review paper prog brain re and check sourc impec disput impecc disput steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer
sci.med	chronic sinu and antibiot articl dehp calvin edu dehp calvin edu phil haan write articl inna mojo eng umd edu georgec eng umd edu georg clark write you can swab insid your nose bacitracin tip bacitracin antibiot that can bought otc ointment tube doctor listen radio appli for dai you take antibiot mouth doctor gave prescript todai for call septra problem and sensit stomach begin thi antibiot good suggest for avoid upset stomach tip septra daughter time for ear infect work sometim sulfa drug problem found that sensit and develop rash dai ten dai septra for doctor remiss not tell watch for rash quit dark and didn realiz that drug reaction harm doug dougla rand drand osf org osf motif dev snail cambridg center cambridg disclaim don osf agre vote amateur radio
sci.med	msg sensit superstit packer delphi gsfc nasa gov charl packer write such thing msg monosodium glutam sensit time sundai that scientist testifi fda advisori panel that complaint msg sensit superstit experi contrari rememb that issu come coupl time sinc call chines restaur syndrom chines cuisin us blood pressur soar heart pound and can sleep for life feel drank cup coffe avoid and beet sugar flavor enhanc beet powder and name basicali read ingredi and don don bui product msg sensit defin real rel schmel richard clark opinion and lunatik watch for road not fault vote perot circumst richard ti compani
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit agre that lee ladi wrote previou post thi thread case thi puzzl peopl expand two comment articl jodh new hawaii edu ladi uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lee ladi write avoid mistak highli desir wide acknowledg that perfection inimic creativ extrem case perfectionist becom paralyz mistak make that unabl even leav hous import and difficult aspect reason empir investig li understand context scope and import argument and piec evid that marshal for claim error break back piec research leav hole that fill and trivial import grave mistak confus past snippet thi thread doubt einstein us formal methodolog propos numer experi perform distinguish univers special rel hold not back lee ladi not rule post sci med and sci psycholog poster not support carefulli design control studi not scienc poster make mistak that previous critic adher methodolog recip carefulli design and control studi import hand propos remedi that supposedli allevi chronic medic problem knowledg error that plagu thi kind claim for carefulli design and control studi allevi skeptic rule such support hypothesi carefulli design and control studi narrow appli investig that requir for reason convinc depend greatli kind mistak that occur past reason kind thing reus previou exampl that conclus uncontrol observ treatment chronic medic problem notori problemat russel
sci.med	amniocentesi differ purpos amniocentesi and chorion villi sampl sound similar intend detect thing
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sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl unx sa sasghm theseu unx sa gari merril write articl apr rochest edu fulk rochest edu mark fulk write gene thi fantasi led sequenc sampl band and carri bind assai result conserv sequenc you character thi flight fanci fantasi fantasi that had found fundament import hot question dai had reason raw hope fantasi don mean velikovskian mania theori domain offer exampl such toricelli pui dome experi for sake sea air hypothesi not familiar histori thi experi arguabl surpris prior explan phenomena involv count theori construct and experi design perfectli ration ground pretti success and theori fluid analog fluid toricelli explicit novelti think air fluid thi quit novelti time theori interest argu that extens exist theori domain thi beg question can debat that you that contemporari found result surpris that not quibbl toricelli reason for experi not post hoc construct reason thought head consid problem imposs toricelli thought that bad root bernstein servic scienc that root pasteur and fleme and peopl note and discov surpris clue motiv pasteur never publicli admit plan creat mirror imag life dream notebook final public year readi for read and and friend ridicul reason for pursu result mad colleagu for poorli written claim disprov claim toricelli case exampl rareti fantasi not motiv experi turn end mark mark fulk univers rochest comput scienc depart fulk rochest edu
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sci.med	eugen articl pitt geb pitt edu gordon bank write year type eugen will thi make race diseas free long live arnold schwartzenegg muscl supermen even can gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend two thought that psycholog will easier for gener accept genet manipul that peopl frown mess natur ignor eon practic that human intervent arrog and hubri and manipul routin natur and not big deal interest human trait will massiv polygenet and full trade off addit posit social environ for cultiv genet gift won advantag made peopl will pursu grail quest turn chri schaeffer
sci.med	food relat seizur articl paulson apr cmb larc nasa gov paulson tab larc nasa gov sharon paulson write post thi group hope find network newsland heard similar describ fourteen year daugter experienc seizur novemb eat kellog frost flake perfectli healthi had never experienc thi and histori seizur side famili test eeg mri ekg neg decis made noth and wait happen fine and morn april had bowl anoth kellog frost kind cereal fruit loop embarrass admit that even bought that junk onc pour bowl and thi kind junk eat had that seizur ten minut had full blown seizur thi exposur sugar coat cereal sinc last seizur daughter epilepsi and attend monthli parent support group wednesdai night mother tell decid throw junk food and made differ year seizur seizur per week report that thi thursdai had seizur saturdai and week seizur easter grandma and at candi pop want had seizur dai see sensit nutrasweet sugar color caffin and corn corn get nervou and aggres daughter ag sensit and stai food never had gum won eat candi prefer appl cooki doesn chocol and won even us toothpast brother hand junk food addict hope thi help good luck
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sci.med	panic disord success stori post thi sci psycholog april and your post panic disord thought relev research that two school thought exist literatur promot medic superior treatment not surprisingli literatur promot cognit therapi claim superior fact earli research didn bia medic cognit therapi interest treatment that work read journal publish cognit therapi camp claim higher success rate approx lower drop rate and side effect associ medic lar goran ost publish excel articl titl appli relax descript cope techniqu and review control studi thi behav re ther vol articl instruct perform appli relax briefli you start two minut session daili and progress week perform thirti second session daili snail mail thi articl interest usa intern pai for postag mark vonwaadn kuhub ukan edu
sci.med	food relat seizur told that corn allergi fairli common wife and exacerb sugar eaten corn suppos that person verg epilepsi allerg reaction seizur don gordon michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
sci.med	post polio syndrom inform need wife becom interest acquaint post polio syndrom thi appar not recognis zealand and sympton chest complaint treat separ anon inform keith
sci.med	msg sensit superstit carl lydick and you condemn ingredi evid that that ingredi you react you will mass anectdot evid combin lack properli construct scientif experi disprov hypothesi make msg reaction hypothesi like explan for event steve
sci.med	hepat articl apr dosgat russel sinclair dai canrem russel sinclair dai write worri not know fact doctor state that thing will not good carrier and avoid question subject can step and plan advanc for eventu you for your inform post find that can russ hep infect can eventu chronic hepat and subsequ cirrhosi not patient hep chronic hepat occur good number and mind hepat hep frequent lead chronic hep and cirrhosi autimmun chronic hepat that affect younger women lead cirrhosi cirrhosi unkind diseas danger effect relat portal hypertens and loss liver function patient develop life threaten varic bleed and hepat coma problem result disturb hepat circul omin can exhibit effect hyperestrogenemia character patient cirrhosi effect includ telangiactasia small red skin lesion and men gynecomastia breast develop real treatment for cirrhosi liver transplant mind that cirrhosi not expect statist your friend case nevertheless you want bring subject chronic diseas and cirrhosi doctor hopefulli can carefulli explain sequela hep infect you and offer you support simon
sci.med	food relat seizur paulson tab larc nasa gov sharon paulson describ fourteen year daugter experienc seizur novemb eat kellog frost flake fine and morn april had bowl anoth kellog frost kind cereal fruit loop mention at time reason for seizur neurologist basic negat that idea thi second episod similar natur even scratch head data that sugar coat cereal seizur haven even anecdot common eaten you child adolesc doesn eat stuff that relationship noth weird cereal brain concern for infantil metabol disord such galactosemia sugar sugar coat cereal sprinkl cereal dissolv soda coffe interest year ago aspartam lower seizur threshold don slmr mail jim zisfein factori jim zisfein
sci.med	thi migrain geb pitt edu gordon bank hmo stop order hmo test order that somewhat overbroad statement hmo fee for lab test subtract doctor incom includ work for direct incent order profit group share partner group larg that individu gener cost miniscul effect don that order not amount order rel averag british neurologist suspect that drastic order slmr mail jim zisfein factori jim zisfein
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sci.med	homeopathi respect medic tradit articl hlbu tripo homer tripo webster homer write mhollowa sunysb edu michael hollowai write your error thi show confus your part drum roll scienc isn gather evid support assert read hypothesi gather empir observ order make hypothesi convinc you not shouldn final product product made your error observ hypothesi that not taint theori theori make observ observ will made theori mind absolut make observ gener sens observ made human be and made bias your messag leav talk hypothesi and get back onc equat busi scienc end result gizmo produc scienc work develop theori paradigm poor deal paradigm shift develop paradigm that explain homeopathi chines medicin spontan combust paradigm will show make observ that prove disprov point isn whether not you paradigm you come develop paradigm modern medicin that bodi can reduc set essenti mechan oper diseas malfunct machineri essenti newtonian model world like that theori base thi paradigm not give complet discript univers medicin heal etc recogn import psycholog compon heal perhap you admit that thi oversimplif your part topic philosophi scienc made for make that summar popular misconcept scienc and busi scienc biomed research doesn make basic assumpt that aren disciplin scientif research that that you make empir observ form hypothesi and test modern medicin biochemistri newtonian model world and doubt that psychologist put thi empir world view psycholog biochemistri spoon bend import distinguish reason scienc scienc reason scientif methodolog aristotl reason that frog mud observ hop puddl oversimplifi good exampl thi empir observa tion test perhap not aristotl and eventu found want meantim folk will continu spontan gener anim life noth surpris thi gather knowledg work thing disciplin molecular biologi that will found total base even idiot futur futur peopl won come relev had suddenli zen and had vision lsd trip will thought and test thi bit that peopl relish misrepres scienc and research can wrap mind scienc creativ process factual and good research can total turn head tommorrow result and theori get defin you mean scienc don recogn that and involv scienc portrai popular media write peopl human portrai scienc collect immut fact pronounc truth big gold letter that silli into lab turn stone and come mechan for transcript regula tion interest that human process
sci.med	organ donat and transplant fact sheet previou articl dougb comm mot doug bank articl apr sbc sunysb edu mhollowa sunysb edu organ donor healthi peopl di suddenli accid head injuri brain dead organ aliv mechan mean you defin healthi peopl wife cannot donat blood malari region past year fact bone marrow type and wouldn even that can donat blood not malari region diagnos and surgic treat for testicular cancer blood bank wont accept blood for year wouldn treat problem knowingli introduc anoth cancer mestast imperfect understand fact that gonad cancer danger thi regard haven research don recal hear case cancer transmit blood transfus common sens kind arbitrari precaut transmiss diseas malaria anoth stori michael hollowai mail mhollowa ccmail sunysb edu mail freenet forward phone
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr ohsu edu tong ohsu edu gong tong write articl apr cunew carleton wcsbeau alfr carleton opirg write for cite msg almost john olnei toxicologist studi effect msg brain and develop undisput literatur that msg excitotox food addit and that major constitu glutam essenti premieri neurotransmitt mammalian brain human includ diet and system get thrown glutam and aspart excitotoxin small amount and freeli food amount ad industri amount that encount singl food eat lot junk food packag soup and diet soft drink jack your blood level high that sensit compound will suffer numer real physi logic effect read olnei review paper prog brain re and check sourc impec disput diann murrai wcsbeau cc carleton order excitotoxin effect msg msg that blood blood brain barrier that not msg can not elev level glu and asp blood bypass blood brain barrier circumventricular organ cvo adeno and neurohypophysi pituitari gland area arcuat nucleu hypothalamu and median emin region effect cvo area not subject blood brain barrier area control releas gonadotropin control releas and flux steroid govern develop sexual develop adult rat sensit glu human observ ingest glu chronic basi cycl steroid disrupt blood level somatostatin significantli reduc and cyclic releas steroid becom flatten hope thi help diann murrai wcsbeau cc carleton
sci.med	friend advic friend mine symptom and ask post inform week ago notic that hair start fall touch head and strand hair fall year continu occur had bald spot size half dollar sinc that time two bald spot size symptom describ includ month irregular menstrual cycl strang for extrem regular laryng dai will wake morn and almost voic and dai fine dizzi spell claim that had bad dizzi spell earli morn includ that knock ground and gener fatigu dermatologist couldn find reason for symptom and internist suspect thyroid problem blood work and claim that back normal concern and confus idea suggest told that thought endocrinologist that sound idea case you recent medic that symptom hasn recent chang hair product and hasn perm color chemic process that hair fall advanc for
sci.med	eumem eugen year type eugen will even sooner map human genom will start work manipul that genom genet engin will insert gene want breed hybrid etc ethic question thi make race diseas free long live arnold schwartzenegg muscl supermen even can year will disassembl and assembl bodi molecular level not will flawless cosmet surgeri flawless cosmet psychosurgeri will store price shelf price bar code good your head and catch error make store favor safewai will mental edit and spell check your respons question pose phone caller sell vacat time share option todai nation risk threat not bad gene bad meme meme basic unit cultur oppos gene unit genet stand brink meme amplif technolog harm meme restrict destruct power will run rampant countrysid lai wast real benefit that futur technolog offer for exampl jeremi rifkin busi whip emot genet engin tomato develop calgen thi gui invent harm meme virtual memet typhoid mari expand public health law includ quarantin peopl harm meme not allow infect peopl meme genet engin food electromagnet field and space shuttl solid rocket booster
sci.med	advic doctor patient relationship problem repli mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington sound heart place not adept express you receiv meant profound apolog apolog deliv overwork shy peopl come that gui didn sound shy sound jerk ditch for knowledg and empathet david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl jodh new hawaii edu ladi uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lee ladi write big buck approach scienc promot signific error scienc choos investig question can readili handl fashion methodolog can readili institut corpor sponsorship for direct attent question fundament signific shade jame watson that exactli worker describ misgiv human genom project you rigid definit scientif research mere accumul data not scienc earli argument project that resourc us focu specif genet relat problem and collect map and sequenc project can narrowli defin easili describ
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sci.med	desper bad luck and call granuloma ingunal involv growth granul groin found check medicin book and found prescript and can clinic cure serv duti armi and imposs prevent know thi leav dai for two week for treatment bought prescrib tablet drugstor cure inject streptomycin dose hour for dai can bui tool and thi solut don inject can kind peopl can arm hip info and write post your take tablet and can wait don flame for post thi and don judg learn lesson and real medic desper taipei
sci.med	select placebo romda uclink berkelei edu ella baff write don doubt that placebo effect aliv and medic modal estim higher altern versu convent medicin time closer experi substanc altern intervent good intent practition quit therapeut john badan romda uclink berkelei edu that case your practic hard time figur you even manag make into bottom half your class you creat your diploma crayon run medic practic success rate tackl problem for not qualifi treat conscienc and busi for fraudul purpos otoh kid england medic journal ran head nineti percent diseas not treatabl drug surgeri echo report md not amus altern medicin sinc magic placebo effect award altern practition twice success rate convent medicin ron roseread purranoia fear your cat rosemail usenet rose media hamilton
sci.med	scientif yawn gordon rubenfeld respond ron roth ron roth rose ron roth wrote gordon result not scientif stamp approv you and your patient follow convinc you written your method uncontrol undocu unreport unsubstanti subject endpoint research great rest care gordon even you beat thi issu death you never stalem thi never forc type medicin you patient happi happi you and your peer miser bemoan steadi loss patient altern camp europ steadi exodu synthet medicin for decad and matter time peopl thi contin will abandon drug and white coat worship and visit doctor for you ron point isn whether you and your patient convinc that you work whether you effect similar case you you treat cup bloodlet and placebo thi interest come exactli conclus regard convent medicin you don treat ladi that wouldn bulk patient consist teacher lawyer judg nurs account univers graduat and health practition peopl result method unsuccess wouldn lose sleep whether you your peer approv treatment face blunder commit scientif md year lot peopl hold your scientif method lower esteem hold mine ayurveda crystal homeopathi ron roth equal placebo administ trap not familiar interest appear ag medicin ayurveda crystal except homeo pathi gordon you knew that you want make system bit us homeopathi sinc cellular test emr hard beat for accuraci and miner predict homeopathi problem reliabl acut condit except perhap homeopath nosod act fairli quickli and depend viral bacteri situat colleagu and spend hour debat studi design and result even therapi accept standard good adequ scientist prepar present data abandon deepli held belief favor idea met challeng hundr sceptic verifi accuraci measur miner statu total satisfac tion word involv happi you cook meal you worri whether thi world find like that end eat sinc financ research project that undertaken don follow your rule guid line satisfi aspect grant applic you concern whether not studi design meet your criteria accept ron convict ruler truth flat earth center univers and epilepsi curs god justif for uneduc person grow uncivil environ flat earth for civil educ and scientif train mind follow doctrin evolut genet engin final frontier show god properli becom capabl creat paradis and give diseas and god boot rid for good perhap leav pointer solv coupl tini problem such war poverti racism crime riot substanc abus and last thing give hint control natur disast weather and last not peac ron roseread lab call your brain readi rosemail usenet rose media hamilton
sci.med	select placebo russel turpin respond articl ron roth don doubt that placebo effect aliv and medic modal estim higher altern versu convent medicin you that you show thi care measur suspect you paper worthi public varieti medic journal russel you notic question mark end sentenc address that question that person dog name sugar and peopl opinion love come studi support claim that placebo effect preval altern compar convent medicin perhap studi includ patient respond dissatisfi convent versu altern doctor practition like punch face success treatment doesn meet expect patient ron roseread doubt make sound convinc rosemail usenet rose media hamilton
sci.med	eumem eugen cross post and followup direct talk polit theori articl cup portal mmm cup portal mark robert thorson write todai nation risk threat not bad gene bad meme meme basic unit cultur oppos gene unit genet expand public health law includ quarantin peopl harm meme word jail peopl wrong thing thi advocaci can ugli meme mark robert thorson advoc jail russel
sci.med	desper articl apr debbi nctu edu mjliu csie nctu edu ming zhou liu write bad luck and call granuloma ingunal involv growth granul groin found check medicin book and found prescript ming zhou liu main problem that incompet physician thi physician diagnos problem even never diagnos diseas and idea kind problem can present similar symptom thi physician treat case thi diseas medic commun thing ming zhou liu fire current physician and seek russel
sci.med	barbecu food and health risk recent post remind that had read risk associ barbecu food that carcinogen gener thi valid concern function smoke elev temperatur function cook element wood charcoal lava rock
sci.med	post polio syndrom inform need repli keith actrix gen keith stewart wife becom interest acquaint post polio syndrom thi appar not recognis zealand and sympton chest complaint treat separ anon inform you and ask for medic inform subject specif question like type textbook chapter cover aspect subject you for comprehens review your local hospit librarian happi request thi sort briefli thi condit patient signific residu weak childhood polio notic progress weak older theori that remain motor neuron work harder and die sooner david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel
sci.med	crash program basic immunolog research articl wuvmd wustl edu wuvmd gari kronk write contempl thi idea for time not doctor wife nurs and lot doctor and nurs point that doctor and nurs not sick peopl medic profess thi love area for anecdot you physician almost never sick horrend don mild case sick unusu thi not situat medic school pediatr never had younger sibl and pediatr ward suddenli found confront sort infecti challeng that bodi not readi for pediatr for solid month ill and had temp final exam happen that train and constantli expos thing and usual reaction that challeng like exposur for deal and mild ill don that immun system hype don forget that hospit flora home and carri lot that
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl apr rochest edu fulk rochest edu mark fulk write articl unx sa sasghm theseu unx sa gari merril write articl apr rochest edu fulk rochest edu mark fulk write wrong observ that explicitli impress and you not fact hold thi view that common perhap even correct approach for scientist follow sit flight fanci and scheme basi jealousi and petti hatr flight fanci and irrat approach common crucial thing not sit fantasi aren us make you experi lot scientist fantasi lead creativ work won admit loud fantasi prior consumpt beer danger philosoph scienc that theori and gener can end remov actual dai dai grunt bench great involv process can walk into lab heavi night dream and for hell long advisor doesn catch easi stamp such behavior purpos life grant review committe and peer review process gener todai world that determin scienc get fund and damn good thing flight fantasi don chanc produc not biomed research surest for graduat student ruin life work lab boss concern flesh fantasi student work project that good chanc produc result prone thi aberr behavior simpl exampl warren jelinek notic extrem heavi band dna electrophoresi gel human alu fragment excit hope that essenti part control mechan for eukaryot gene thi fantasi led sequenc sampl band and carri bind assai result conserv sequenc that occur time human genom for warren fantasi turn transposon that present copi replic and copi back into genom hand characterist transposon elucid necess cellular revers transcriptas recogn and standard method recogn human dna creat speci set transposon fortun for warren and us eat dinner fridai time agre gari merril respons thi read alot alu and middl repetit sequenc work and interest good work implic for field molecular genet exampl reason project turn interest result that unexpect mike
sci.med	lyme vaccin kathleen richard kilti ucrengr wrote year pomeranian had nasti reaction thi vaccin suffic will not vaccin for lyme diseas camp state and backpack and us watch for tick and deal and simpli won activ lyme diseas area not drag thi anymor veterinarian feel that lyme diseas dog easi treat that endem area give antibiot dog present lame swollen joint fever recent paper march final establish that lyme diseas dog can reproduc control experimentali set thi ellus matter for research and fundament requir for acknowledg agent causit diseas vaccin manufactur prove that diseas exist thi paper noteworthi two regard anim infect treat dog had episod lame week period occur month exposur thi period show clinic sign month observ period studi proven clinic sick lyme patient show spontan recoveri benefit drug treatment observ longer month will diseas doesn chronic that human addendum paper call into question techniqu us vaccin manufactur valid vaccin want world us model develop order test vaccin efficaci will independ scientif sound evalu thi vaccin year jeff park jeffp pgavin vetm wsu edu jeffp wsuvm bitnet aol jeffpark washington state univers colleg veterinari medicin class pullman
sci.med	diet work great articl pitt geb pitt edu gordon bank write keith person heard that weight consciou effort control eat behavior diet lot back morbid obes attribut success factor low fat cook meal for eat fruit veget and grain bran cereal estim percent calori fat sugar salt high fiber american gram recommend and sometim heard peopl take fiber pill that pill can fiber make differ like get fat pop fat pill tablet small you snarf hundr daili clean your plate condit work for eat last take half eat time and satieti chanc catch don feel hungri and start eat don eat not hungri hungri shortli and eat won practic bike work mile dai year round fast bike store movi and never own car estim thi burn calori dai help build and maintain muscl mass prevent insulin resist diabet run famili and increas metabol even metabol low that rest comfort temperatur and wear sweater drop cycl motiv avoid excess ounc cyclist routin pai premium for cycl product that weigh slightli easier and cheaper trim weight rider vehicl question mind that metabol radic that peopl never fat fortun isn that preclud excel health can swear that obes person will success never heard and didn succe cycl success depend larg fluctuat cycl peopl can cycl pound weight cycl whether not fat eat extrem salt eat salti weight can increas overnight ten pound come week two keith lynch kfl access digex
sci.med	emphysema question repli initi question jersei week and surpris respons back person ask nicotin patch market habitrol ciba pharmaceut nicoderm marion meril dow alza made nicotrol warner lambert cygnu made prostep made elan and market
sci.med	food relat seizur rememb hear year back therapi for hyperact involv aggress elimin artifici color and flavor diet theori back interest anecdot result that peopl sensit chemic peopl don rememb connect made seizur couldn hurt natur diet
sci.med	problem nutrasweet aspartam phenylketonuria diseas bodi cannot process phenylalanin can build blood and seizur and neurolog damag odd side effect that urin can deepli color red wine peopl condit avoid nutrasweet chocol and rich phenylalanin aspartam accus caus vagu neurolog symptom pat robertson program club beat drum aspartam vigor for year that issu push back burner for last year appar evid not strong pat flail
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl qnn agat berkelei edu spp zabriski berkelei edu steve pope write mass anectdot evid combin lack properli construct scientif experi disprov hypothesi make msg reaction hypothesi like explan for event you forgot smilei face can thi turn berkelei you aberr steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer
sci.med	blood glucos test strip articl apr omen caf omen chuck forsberg kgx write articl apr clpd kodak young serum kodak write human glucos fast number for blood plasma serum plasma number blood number for human tend somewhat lower roughli percent lower find rang for blood fundament clinic chemistri teitz editor saunder human glucos blood fast level strip calibr for measur blood measur blood level not accur serum test laboratori problem that cell sampl continu metabol glucos sampl drawn reduc appar level teitz result compar laboratori result valu below tend lower strip test valu can errat convers factor human plasma glucos and blood pin prick glucos concentr state blood level tend roughli percent lower serum level sampl fresh will affect blood level don defin convers factor sinc cell metabol will affect sampl vari degre serum plasma test prefer for gener ball park test rich young not kodak opinion
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr spdcc dyer spdcc steve dyer write articl apr cunew carleton wcsbeau alfr carleton opirg write you miss amidst flurri respons you mean respons point doubl blind test show such chines restaur effect uniqu msg elicit placebo peopl respond anecdot stori safe origin poster familiar such stori hard info substanti refut claim msg make peopl ill similarli debunk such claim research whether literatur and lab equal besid point origin poster doubt that peopl chines restaur syndrom bogu placebo interest irrelev question effect msg you real effect and placebo effect peopl allergi addit us thi newsgroup hamper peopl not restrict post matter substanti knowledg youself can read scientif paper and appar come bizarr crack idea noth us thi substanc human nutrit you read olnei work fail cite result peer review studi qualifi bizarr crack for cite msg almost john olnei toxicologist studi effect msg brain and develop undisput literatur that msg excitotox food addit undisput literatur that glutam amino acid excitatori neurotransmitt evid that excess releas glutam involv patholog condit stroke drown and lou gehrig diseas name thi complet issu us thi ubiquit amino acid food peopl not receiv intra ventricular inject glutam test rhesu monkei never studi mode administr intra ventricular glu and asp administ oral studi us and intra ventricular not normal admin method for food tox studi for obviou reason you not read peer review work that refer you never come thi brain inject bunk diet and system get thrown sez you such effect human not demonstr control studi infant mice and model not relev matter hand not that favor us thing babi food patent ridicul us addit reason that msg diet effect human advers pardon you get thi you read journal you thorough literatur search you mice aren studi thi time sensit human msg glutam and aspart excitotoxin small amount and freeli food amount ad industri amount that encount singl food wrong you aspart phenylalanin soft drink milligram worth compar that glass milk you glutam present protein contain food compar that ad us msg point exceed window amino acid note that peopl pku cannot toler phenylalanin olnei research compar infant human diet specif amount freeli glu mother milk versu commerci babi food typic lunch item standard american diet such packag soup mix found that exce project safeti margin for infant human fold singl meal process food mother milk below effect dose read olnei review paper prog brain re and check sourc impec disput impecc disput interest you provid peer review food industri fund citat articl disput that msg effect whatsoev steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer hmm not surpris diann murrai wcsbeau cc carleton
sci.med	problem nutrasweet aspartam nutrasweet synthet sweeten coupl thousand time sweeter sugar peopl concern chemic that bodi produc degrad nutrasweet thought form formaldehyd and for methanol degred pathwai that bodi elimin substanc real issu whether level methanol and formaldehyd produc high signific damag toxic live cell can that will not consum phenylalanin noth for you worri amino acid and small quantiti for protein synthesi bodi peopl diseas phenylketoneurea and miss enzym degrad thi compound and elimin bodi for will accumul bodi and high level thi toxic grow nerv cell major problem young children ag women pregnant and thi disord us lead brain damag infant can easili detect birth and simpli avoid comsumpt phenylalanin child pregnant heather
sci.med	food relat seizur articl cup portal mmm cup portal mark robert thorson write rememb hear year back therapi for hyperact involv aggress elimin artifici color and flavor diet theori back interest anecdot result that peopl sensit chemic peopl don rememb connect made seizur couldn hurt natur diet yeah feingold diet load crap children diagnos add thi diet show improv intellectu and social skill fact continu declin parent enthusiast thi approach lap expens children develop for interest anecdot result peopl will want steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl unx sa sasghm theseu unx sa gari merril write articl apr rochest edu fulk rochest edu mark fulk write flight fanci and irrat approach common crucial thing not sit fantasi aren us make you experi simpl exampl warren jelinek notic extrem heavi band dna electrophoresi gel human alu fragment excit you character thi flight fanci fantasi unfamiliar scientif context appear obviou that specul for lack neutral word signific part consequ knowledg and accept current theori coupl observ that quit ration attempt fit observ into that theori tailor theori cover observ whether scientif idea come stare window dream fantasi watch appl fall newton sit bath archimed ultim result lot intens scientif think let mind roam freeli and give rein intuit can come idea lot ration analysi problem scientif intuit not born that learn don understand complet learn train systemat scientif think kei element develop inform explor import element find scientif idea think for instanc darwin naturalist studi galapago island led idea for theori evolut thi offend definit scienc that emphas empir verif and not recogn think and inform explor import scientif work agre that mere specul not deserv call scienc that mere empir studi not direct good scientif think poor kind scienc articl linnl utexa edu turpin utexa edu russel turpin write that lee ladi and talk cross purpos ladi concern contrast great scienc that make big advanc knowledg and mediocr scienc that make smaller step thi thread concern differ scienc and not don that scienc defin that activ that lead import scienc think and inform explor not recogn scientif work argument behaviorist and cognitivist psycholog scienc collect compet religi sect ladi uhunix uhcc hawaii edu ladi uhunix bitnet
sci.med	bursiti and laser treatment famili doctor and physiotherapist agre that pain left shoulder bursiti appoint orthpod love that short for orthoped surgeon appar wait treat hot pack ultrasound and laser improv fact almost suspect get wors real question laser treatment can easili imagin physic effect that deep tissu problem can shed light speak matter robert allison ottawa ontario canada
sci.med	msg sensit superstit dyer spdcc steve dyer write articl qnn agat berkelei edu spp zabriski berkelei edu steve pope write mass anectdot evid combin lack properli construct scientif experi disprov hypothesi make msg reaction hypothesi like explan for event you forgot smilei face can thi turn berkelei you aberr steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer hei your flame thi group that for you dyer nasti sarcast peopl thi subject shoot rile and can discuss msg civil blast school idea simpl insult demonstr not and line you want continu your insult war and stop wast time sincer dan checkman
sci.med	frequent noseble and noseble each week result genet predisposit weak capillari wall osler weber rendu fortun each noseble short durat method reduc thi frequenc younger brother each skin transplant thigh nose line noseble return refer herb call rutin that suppos and hear experi techniqu robert allison ottawa ontario canada
sci.med	updat thi lyme articl pitt geb pitt edu gordon bank write articl apr lamont ldgo columbia edu brenner ldgo columbia edu carl brenner write ulterior motiv easi for physician call lyme and treat lot monei involv you bring thi don understand financi for physician ahead and treat physician invest involv kickback scheme home infus compani financi gain for doctor put thi base experi gener practition train infecti diseas establish link lyme commun treat patient come wonder lyme decid lyme that diseas such spirochet not lyme give talk meet user group valid feel even delusion patient etc thi can run mill lot patient hospit and get expens infus that monitor offic and make lot bread get adul hope not cure control and name public put support group etc thi definit temptat harumph get publish newslett aspir can argu your logic you extrapol bit recklessli appear sampl size even you thi local pittsburgh gui true not logic fair conclud that thi true doctor treat lyme diseas your logic conclud that physician consult for insur compani and make monei deni benefit lyme patient for monei encourag good medicin idea sincer gui motiv suspect physician you excori for you indiscrimin treatment feel comfort discuss medic issu lyme specul motiv parti involv gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend carl brenner
sci.med	transplant recipi newslett april dintern newslett april thi will monthli post newslett long island chapter transplant recipi intern organ trio unabl post date thi month meet post and post world wide region hope that inform illustr hope can us exampl and inspir for post newslett and data relat organ transplant and donat mike transplant recipi intern organ long island chapter box huntington newslett april volum meet meet wednesdai april knight columbu emerald manor uniondal avenu uniondal guest speaker will lewi teperman teperman train pittsburgh starzl and assist director liver transplant program york univers medic center teperman will discuss current trend transplant and treatment and will answer question long time friend trio surgeon member and graciou and delight guest inform interest and engag even hospit committe bett and vito suglia and jim spenc will prepar and last weather cooper hope larg gather teperman wednesdai april uniondal last meet note that long island chapter trio extraordinari power predict bad weather forecast rain sleet and snow fulli month advanc weatherman can match thi time not score disabl long island railroad make travel difficult brave snow and had interest meet and good convers schedul speaker mr elizabeth linnehan profession nutritionist had famili emerg and not attend hope will fall discuss diet and medic jennif friedman imag consult and sister liver transplant recipi kind step short notic friedman gave lot good advic choos cloth and makeup even bit for men and healthi and minim cosmet effect medicin and drug grate jennif and for entertain even annual meet addit welcom teperman april meet annual meet chapter thi offici notic meet requir law main purpos meet review past year solicit member view and idea for wai meet and elect member board director for come two year term nomin committe prepar slate for board ann liver recipi and don treffeisen robert heart recipi and eulen smith vito kidnei recipi and bett suglia kai grenzig liver recipi jan schichtel kidnei recipi larri juliano kidnei recipi david bekofski director public educ litp remain board for anoth year robert carrol liver kidnei pancrea recipi jerri kidnei recipi and jeann eichhorn ron kidnei donor and mari heali peter smith bone marrow recipi patricia ann yanku kidnei and pancrea recipi walter ruzak kidnei recipi thi big board hand make light work and medic uncertainti good backup for job board addit slate present for vote nomin will accept floor set number board member and plenti work addit treasur and membership report will and floor will open for busi suggest comment bring will formal meet short that can spend major time teperman futur meet rememb schedul guest for rest year peter shaprio chief psychiatri columbia presbyterian medic center june felix rappaport director stoni brook kidnei transplant program plan second wednesdai each month notdaw week april nation organ and tissu donor awar week notdaw plan new releas speak engag and meet supervisor gullata and gaffnei decid not softbal game two year experi miser weather can spread word donor awar found effect your pastor rabbi publish letter announc parish bulletin you address congreg includ mention gift life sermon attach thi newslett sampl letter and fact sheet you can us you starzl honor long island chapter american liver foundat will hold annual auction and dinner danc fountainbleu jericho turnpik jericho thoma starzl will honor guest ticket person and fast you meet starzl call ann treffeisen for detail membership new congratul rees receiv heart transplant pittsburgh wait year home and dai hospit arthur michael liver recipi plan run boston marathon april fantast proof that transplant work hope nation press notic bob mccormack persist bout infect had transplant kidnei remov home back dialysi and feel nicol heali kidnei recipi and daughter ron and mari spent past week hospit miami problem encount vacat mari florida back york nicol treatment will continu nicol speedi recoveri kai grenzig liver recipi mend bad fall that result broken arm and broken leg kai candid for board and wish come flu tough winter for tulip snow you wednesdai april uniondal lewi teperman
sci.med	problem nutrasweet aspartam articl apr uvm edu hbloom moos uvm edu heather write nutrasweet synthet sweeten coupl thousand time sweeter sugar peopl concern chemic that bodi produc degrad nutrasweet thought form formaldehyd and for methanol degred pathwai that bodi elimin substanc real issu whether level methanol and formaldehyd produc high signific damag toxic live cell can that will not consum aspartam methyl ester dipeptid product hydrolysi methanol can oxid formaldehyd amount methanol form ingest aspartam contain food complet metabol nois sinc you form equal minut amount methanol compon food time studi involv administr high dose addit blood methanol level undetect methanol poison quantiti human poison and thi consequ oxid formaldehyd and formic acid two quit reactiv compound high level can damag tissu retina and kidnei such high dose bodi detoxif system overwhelm interestingli treatment for earli methanol poison person drunk ethyl alcohol vodka equival that ethanol metabol preferenti methanol enzym liver methanol stai methanol and isn metabol formaldehyd rel toxic steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr cunew carleton wcsbeau alfr carleton opirg write peopl respond anecdot stori safe origin poster familiar such stori hard info substanti refut claim msg make peopl ill hard info provid msg make peopl ill that point youself can read scientif paper and appar come bizarr crack idea noth us thi substanc human nutrit you read olnei work fail cite result peer review studi qualifi bizarr crack that peer review studi not address effect msg peopl anim model you can walk thi and start rant gloom and doom document deleteri health effect demonstr human note that wouldn argument statement note that anim administr pro duce blah blah care us human thi precis not you test rhesu monkei never studi mode administr intra ventricular glu and asp administ oral studi us and intra ventricular not normal admin method for food tox studi for obviou reason you not read peer review work that refer you never come thi brain inject bunk for neurotoxicolog you studi glutam involv food scienc pardon you get thi you read journal you thorough literatur search point studi human familiar literatur and never relat olnei work anim and effect glutam neuron point exceed window amino acid note that peopl pku cannot toler phenylalanin toler phenylalanin essenti amino acid healthi produc danger level phenylalanin and metabolit blood olnei research compar infant human diet specif amount freeli glu mother milk versu commerci babi food typic lunch item standard american diet such packag soup mix found that exce project safeti margin for infant human fold singl meal process food mother milk below effect dose good not that good feed infant lot glutam supplement food that thi project safeti margin construct deriv anim model and that you can prove you talk prudent polici infant nutrit you misrepres receiv wisdom read olnei review paper prog brain re and check sourc impec disput impecc disput interest you provid peer review food industri fund citat articl disput that msg effect whatsoev you mean assert you intellectu dishonest plain confus you conflat report not necessarili each olnei report argu potenti for problem human infant that not that thi whatsoev us msg food provid studi human deleteri effect for obviou reason noth msg contribt phenomenon chines restaur syndrom noth frequent inabl replic anecdot report msg sensit lab dyer ursa major spdcc hmm not surpris diann murrai wcsbeau cc carleton dumber remark you made steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer
sci.med	frequent noseble articl apr freenet carleton freenet carleton robert allison write method reduc thi frequenc younger brother each skin transplant thigh nose line noseble return refer herb call rutin that suppos and hear experi techniqu rutin bioflavonoid compound found place rind citru fruit popular europ treat capillari fragil and seemingli even extrem case month ago friend visit itali and that had hemorrhoid pharmacist friend sold pill incredul ask and contain rutin activ ingredi destroi placebo effect skeptic sputter idea hemorrhoid wise dai studi attempt effect compound human diseas and nutrit never control report posit result anecdot thi stuff pretti toxic and inexpens risk wouldn expect result steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer
sci.med	msg sensit superstit such thing msg monosodium glutam sensit superstit experi contrari person sensit msg and wife and kid want food industri put msg food industri give reason industri byproduct that get rid cover fact that recip not good food poor qualiti you sadist pleasur make sick tast tester defect flavor sensor mouth etc that msg correct don understand nitrosiamin and sulfit safer wai preserv food wine and beer outlaw us substanc warn label larg cig packag requir compar product market free substanc and state that free msg dye nitrosiamin and sulfit packag outlaw yellow dye for that matter dye food dye and flavor vitamin osco stress tab didn yellow dye doctor yellow dye respons for nasal polyp food food quit put junk two cent worth sig person tire get sick thi junk walter lundbi walter lundbi
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit articl lsu innia saltillo utexa edu turpin utexa edu russel turpin write agre that lee ladi wrote previou post thi thread gee misjudg you russel agre can bad not whether misjudg you not respect major problem your insist that scienc avoid mistak and disagre your content that doesn us method deem scientif can possibl true and not delet materi agre back lee ladi not rule post sci med and sci psycholog poster not support carefulli design control studi not scienc poster make mistak that previous critic adher methodolog recip carefulli rule such support hypothesi carefulli design and control studi narrow appli investig that requir for reason convinc depend greatli kind mistak that occur past reason kind thing reus previou exampl that conclus uncontrol observ treatment chronic medic problem notori problemat agre thi degre certainti for instanc demand carefulli control trial accept absolut scientif truth extent that such thing effect treatment hand highli favor clinic experi even uncontrol can adequ justifi preliminari judgement that treatment thi evid can hope for investig not institut corpor support thi case make sens tent treat claim credibl reserv final judgement establish scientist qualifi and resourc can care test secondli make sens toler standard evid for pronounc effect for that margin come thi disput scienc not mathematician veteran argument sci psycholog and occasion sci med nlp neurolinguist program work date nlper can categor inform explor care scientif research for year scientif and clinic psychologist read book and watch videotap courtesi your local univers librari not for purpos make definit judgement simpli nlp methodolog approach elicit inform subject and for idea and hypothes scientif interest and awar question nlp suggest worthi scientif investig and respons sci pycholog thi hasn valid accept form empir research can interest ultim reducio absurdum extrem control studi posit nlp techniqu call fast phobia trauma cure simpl phobia oppos agoraphobia not world import psycholog disord nice thing that doesn sophist instrument diagnos cure nlp phobia cure simpl visual requir minut nlper claim that can us neutral traumat memori and treat post traumat stress syndrom essenti variat classic desensit process us behavior therapist subject techniqu onc case ptsd onc for each traumat incid process doesn repeat and subject doesn practic home pretti easi test effect thi cure nlper claim success rate extrem high fear height us balconi floor and observ respons spend minut simpl visual send back balconi and thing chang check back week cure last long term follow desir scientif point view even cure that last week signific case case cure last year knowledg case cure revers hold for week cure incident slightli nlp techniqu learn fast phobia trauma cure ten year enjoi live floor build and larg balconi folk sci psycholog hundr and excus not make thi simpl test claim that elabor outcom studi will satisfactori studi sort that nlp practition make bare margin live practic can ill afford plain not interest idea frivol and sinc not part scientif establish tangibl reward gain scientif accept fast phobia trauma cure ten year and clinic psycholog establish don know that effect academ resourc studi elabor want prove your theori and burden proof make claim academ sci psycholog that complet unscientif for test phobia cure sinc hasn describ scientif journal describ number book and post articl sci psycholog describ detail capabl fairli care academ studi favor result appar not accept doctor dissert and not publish refere journal thi sort attitud not advanc scienc hinder thi kind thing mind talk doctrinnair attitud scienc unfair imput such attitud you russel apolog argument behaviorist and cognitivist psycholog scienc collect compet religi sect ladi uhunix uhcc hawaii edu ladi uhunix bitnet
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sci.med	barbecu food and health risk rsilver world std richard silver write recent post remind that had read risk associ barbecu food that carcinogen gener thi valid concern function smoke elev temperatur function cook element wood charcoal lava rock recal that issu that fat meat liquifi and drip hot element that extrem heat catalyz fat into carcinogen carri back meat smoke professor
sci.med	barbecu food and health risk thi remind last graham kerr cook show todai smoke meat stovetop big pot us strang techniqu never big pot lid and trai made aluminum foil trai size and shape typic coffe tabl ash trai made crumpl sheet foil edg trai coupl spoon brown sugar similar quantiti brown rice rice will content two teabag earl grei tea and clove top thi ordinari aluminum basket type steamer two chicken breast lid put and assembl stovetop high heat for minut remov look smoke chicken breast surpris and concern wood chip smoke flavor come year ago rememb hear that carmel color obtain caramel sugar common color and flavor agent had found carcinogen inject skin rat result conclus caramel color not legal us initi research result found incorrect year ago rememb earl grei tea implic carcinogen contain oil bergamot extract skin type citru fruit happen that stori carcinogen earl grei tea not addit appar continu wrt natur wood smoke smoke duck happen notic that heavili smoke food item will unpleas tangi tast eaten directli smoker smoke recent stop flow find tast had dry wood chip get lot smoke begin cook process slowli barbequ for hour and hour ad addit wood chip theori that unpleas tangi molecul low molecular weight stuff terpen and that smoki flavor molecul sort larger molecul similar tar long barbequ time initi intens smoke drive low molecular weight stuff leav flavor theori correct rememb hear that combust product fat drip charcoal and burn carcinogen for that reason and cover product soot and unpleas tangi grill drippi meat prawn directli hot coal stuff thi duck indirect heat long rectangular weber and put coal end and meat end fat drop directli floor below meat and time us barbequ make fire that end burn fat and ignit coal and anoth reason heard not smoke barbequ meat that smoke cure meat pork sausag and bacon contain nitrosamin carcinogen pretti thi claim stand don amus incid recal duncan hine scandal discov that peopl make duncan hine cake mix put lot ethylen dibromid edb into cake mix suppress weevil thi fumig carcinogen gui repres compani press confer defend that risk eat duncan hine product dai for year equal cancer risk eat two charcoal broil steak great analog heard that reaction make that standard unit charcoal broil steak equival duncan
sci.med	brain abscess definit need articl apr tardi mdcorp ksc nasa gov fresa tardi mdcorp ksc nasa gov write defin brain abscess for rel cerebellum brain abscess infect deep brain substanc hard cure antibiot sinc get wall and surgic drainag gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	hypoglycemia anello adc fnal gov anthoni anello can bloodcount diagnos hypoglycem danger pancreat problem not specialti neglig and that anoth blood blood glucos level common hour big meal thi level will not symptom test good diet work for hypo glycem you mean reactiv hypoglycemia symptom diseas dietari recommend for patient complain dizzi faint sweat palpit etc reliabl hour big meal recommend obviou eat smaller meal slmr mail jim zisfein factori jim zisfein
sci.med	advic doctor patient relationship problem libman hsc usc edu marlena libman advic situat occur and physican upset question continu thi doctor manag care that easi you wouldn your comput into repair shop rude you even compet busi you your bodi into repair shop repairman such bad attitud slmr mail jim zisfein factori jim zisfein
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sci.med	differ and wife and process select pediatrician for child due june interview young doctor last week and impress discov that not medic doctor doctor osteopathi differ pediatrician for year and didn doctor year dictionari that osteopathi medic therapi that emphas manipul techniqu for correct somat abnorm thought diseas and inhibit recoveri jeez thi sound chiropract rememb get shot and medicin pediatrician and don rememb manipul techniqu perhap enlighten real practic differ and interest hear opinion choos pediatrician follow medic philosophi reader sci med respond directli sbrenner attmail not read thi group regularli and won your respons you post for cross post hope expertis scott brenner consum commun servic sbrenner attmail bask ridg jersei
sci.med	barbecu food and health risk articl cup portal mmm cup portal mark robert thorson write thi remind last graham kerr cook show todai smoke meat stovetop big pot us strang techniqu never big pot lid and trai made aluminum foil trai size and shape typic coffe tabl ash trai made crumpl sheet foil edg trai coupl spoon brown sugar similar quantiti brown rice rice will content two teabag earl grei tea and clove top thi ordinari aluminum basket type steamer two chicken breast lid put and assembl stovetop high heat for minut remov look smoke chicken breast surpris and concern wood chip smoke flavor come year ago rememb hear that carmel color obtain caramel sugar common color and flavor agent had found carcinogen inject skin rat result conclus caramel color not legal us initi research result found incorrect year ago rememb earl grei tea implic carcinogen contain oil bergamot extract skin type citru fruit happen that stori carcinogen earl grei tea not addit appar continu wrt natur wood smoke smoke duck happen notic that heavili smoke food item will unpleas tangi tast eaten directli smoker smoke recent stop flow find tast had dry wood chip get lot smoke begin cook process slowli barbequ for hour and hour ad addit wood chip theori that unpleas tangi molecul low molecular weight stuff terpen and that smoki flavor molecul sort larger molecul similar tar long barbequ time initi intens smoke drive low molecular weight stuff leav flavor theori correct rememb hear that combust product fat drip charcoal and burn carcinogen for that reason and cover product soot and unpleas tangi grill drippi meat prawn directli hot coal stuff thi duck indirect heat long rectangular weber and put coal end and meat end fat drop directli floor below meat and time us barbequ make fire that end burn fat and ignit coal and anoth reason heard not smoke barbequ meat that smoke cure meat pork sausag and bacon contain nitrosamin carcinogen pretti thi claim stand don amus incid recal duncan hine scandal discov that peopl make duncan hine cake mix put lot ethylen dibromid edb into cake mix suppress weevil thi fumig carcinogen gui repres compani press confer defend that risk eat duncan hine product dai for year equal cancer risk eat two charcoal broil steak great analog heard that reaction make that standard unit charcoal broil steak equival duncan don understand assumpt that found carcinogen that not legal that natur occur substanc exclud control substanc pretti unregul term us food food addit consumpt chemist concoct ingredi that fall fda regul look close find reason ban almost world you suppos legal consum tobacco product ban dave allen space scienc engr ctr madison
sci.med	placebo effect articl calcom socal daniel princ calcom socal daniel princ write effect doctor believ strongli medicin that see improv see improv thi effect call revers effect doctor doesn medicin and see improv thi effect call effect studi common effect you advanc for repli effect real concern conduct studi treatment research limit thi kind effect perform studi that blind wai subject studi not whether receiv placebo test treatment whether control group test group administ treatment not subject receiv placebo test treatment evalu individu result not subject receiv placebo test treatment point data analyz differenti test group control group analysi quasi public research describ and present data base that can verifi worth note that biolog studi subject anim such mice case skew result perform studi not blind not consid import make mice ignor import that respect test control and test group treat alik russel
sci.med	ey domin articl world std rsilver world std richard silver write ey domin eyed handed popul mean peopl requir len correct for ey kind percentag can attach thi ey domin handed and for side noth refract error gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	surgeri damag tendon and median nerv articl bhatt apr weslei src honeywel bhatt src honeywel write thought will explor net wisdom question control pain surgeon suggest long will such pain last will pain recur futur can answer that get reflex sympathet dystrophi last forev hope not don damag partial cut tendon heal complet and finger strength regain long for complet heal process sometim and sometim don you job you can reattach and hope you month gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	food relat seizur articl apr spdcc dyer spdcc steve dyer write newsgroup sci med path new larc nasa gov saimiri primat wisc edu zaphod mp ohio state edu uwm edu utexa edu uunet hsdndev spdcc dyer dyer spdcc steve dyer organ dyer comput consult cambridg refer uupcb factori cup portal date sat apr gmt line articl cup portal mmm cup portal mark robert thorson write rememb hear year back therapi for hyperact involv aggress elimin artifici color and flavor diet theori back interest anecdot result that peopl sensit chemic peopl don rememb connect made seizur couldn hurt natur diet yeah feingold diet load crap children diagnos add thi diet show improv intellectu and social skill fact continu declin parent enthusiast thi approach lap expens children develop for interest anecdot result peopl will want steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer for interest thi problem mine don reaction sugar junk food per sinc kathryn never shown sign hyperact behavior respons food calm and dare neat smart kid fact that thi happen eat two sugar coat cereal made kellog make allerg reaction coat cereal famili kathryn show sign hai fever run nose itchi ey etc lot allergi famili histori includ weird food allergi nut mushroom trip endocrinologist check bodi chemistri sugar coat cereal and seizur dai that make heav sigh relief sharon paulson paulson larc nasa gov nasa langlei research center bldg mailstop work hampton virginia home
sci.med	organ donat and transplant fact sheet articl apr lmpsbb comm mot dougb ec comm mot write wife cannot donat blood malari region past year fact bone marrow type and wouldn even that fda rule blood blood product donat malari area for year platelet donor thailand trip and blood bank disappoint find couldn us for year secretari state ask want donat organ figur that want histori correct not necessarili rule not appli organ donat blood donat fact don gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	mississippi river water and catfish safe articl apr zeu calpoli edu dfield flute calpoli edu infospunj dan field write invit spend coupl week thi summer raft mississippi journei partner want live river water and catfish rout concern pollut health risk thi you purifi river water not practic that mississippi you check health agenc toxic chemic river microorgan can filter kill you activ charcoal mean purifi chemic drink river process like make you sick bacteria and parasit gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	gyn resid articl apr cnsvax uwec edu nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye write illeg for resid discrimin fmg that true that won even interview fmg program discrimin that fmg equal qualifi american will american right matter citizen not had good luck fmg and bad luck resid fmg worst turn worst fmg citizen that studi shore medic school resid fire for incompet year depart fmg citizen studi guadalajara citizen train soviet union and philipina practic medicin neurolog pick program psychiatri and emerg medicin gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
sci.med	liver spot brown spot older peopl hand call liver spot sort liver color actual liver dysfunct die welt ist all zerfal ist peter cash apolog ludwig wittgenstein cash convex
sci.med	andromeda strain articl pvp chinet chi dhartung chinet chi dan hartung write had opportun watch thi flick year sinc last wow wwii channel not wwii interest technolog demonstr thi film for handl infecti diseas and similar toxic substanc fake lot comput robot technolog time made that scienc fiction alon idea space germ graphic capabl comput fake for movi audienc not abil patienc number book realist that respect respect robot rang not imposs quit coincident thi want movi watch segment aw that deal diseas research cdc top lab descript elabor secur measur that build will never crack speak man natur short deliber bomb air perhap and research us spacesuit similar that film and wonder crichton escap thi classif ahead scienc predict and precaut nasa decontaimin process supposedli prevent stori disast mean nasa scientist reader and sometim writer and felt pre warn read curiou peopl thi film short silli such facil technic feasibl todai film hold film that isn lot plot and crystallin structur that not life that nother argument for rec art tech yep
sci.med	eumem eugen year will disassembl and assembl bodi molecular level not will flawless cosmet surgeri flawless cosmet psychosurgeri will store price shelf price bar code good your head and catch error make store favor safewai will mental edit and spell check your respons question pose phone caller sell vacat time share option you absolut daft flame requir you lack brain sic meme basic unit cultur oppos gene unit genet you educ give credit credit due richard dawkin meme meme invent zone
sci.med	hernia bit year ago hernia groin discov had produc dull pain that area hernia repair intrus orthoscop method and plug and patch doctor consid procedur success month pain return doctor that find noth wrong area hernia repair pain occur couldn identifi specif problem surgen perform origin procedur that hernia area and that cut into area for repair thi time question net nonintrus method determin fact hernia pain steve heffner
sci.med	candida albican recent diagnos candida albican diseas can find inform appar bodi product yeast time highli allerg yeast can david partain davpa ida liu ida univers link op work phone link op sweden telefax
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sci.med	barbecu food and health risk articl apr clpd kodak rich young young serum kodak write stuff delet consum unrealist larg quantiti barbecu meat time confess that thi unfulfil ambit matter eat realist don macki opinion
sci.med	qualiti control medicin articl blue ci pitt edu kenneth gilbert kxgst pitt edu write situat activ routin part hospit administr function and requir accredit agenc even entir public devot issu spend time deal qualiti stuff hot number two journal worth qualiti review bulletin pub joint commiss accredit healthcar organ renaiss boulevard oakbrook terrac qualiti health care bmj publish group box kennebunkport don macki opinion anesthesiolog will disavow
sci.med	scienc and methodolog homeopathi tradit that part problem that propos definit scienc that intend interpret broadli and that lee ladi interpret fairli narrowli definit thi scienc investig empir that avoid mistak reason and methodolog discov previou work lee ladi write don that scienc defin that activ that lead import scienc think and inform explor not recogn scientif work classifi think and inform explor mistak fall definit hope specul think and inform explor unscientif articl nasf new hawaii edu ladi uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lee ladi write not whether misjudg you not respect major problem your insist that scienc avoid mistak talk cross purpos not clear that kind definit propos describ scienc for exampl definit invertebr anim lack backbon thi fairli tell invertebr and not invertebr tell you invertebr can read thi definit and not that anim speci invertebr that invertebr possess remark broad rang form that invertebr group such insect and nematod ubiquit ecosystem etc short know definit invertebr not misunderstand fault not give suffici context for peopl understand propos definit agre thi degre certainti for instanc demand carefulli control trial accept absolut scientif truth extent that such thing effect treatment hand highli favor clinic experi even uncontrol can adequ justifi preliminari judgement that treatment secondli make sens toler standard evid for pronounc effect for that margin agre count exampl second case cure rabi convinc veterinarian that treatment effect despit lack control not talk absolut scientif truth talk kind evid that claim and kind evid field that past proven faulti reliabl matter degre and each field practition discov relev kind evid primari mistak that mark advocaci idea psuedo scienc that advocaci lack sens proport kind evid relat propos claim kind evid that relev and histor reason field that kind evid weight perfectli alright specul read quit refere paper that specul left and author care identifi notion specul list evid present for and describ research proce put notion firm foot uncov problem distinguish whether paper thi sort pass muster thought author set context and pave for futur work thi area that propon specul idea fail folk sci psycholog hundr and excus not make thi simpl test claim that elabor outcom studi will satisfactori studi sort that nlp practition make bare margin live practic can ill afford plain not interest idea frivol and sinc not part scientif establish tangibl reward gain scientif accept lot scientist steer thing that deserv not garner patina kooki propon practic care investig that practic that set alarm ring research mind thi unfortun undoubtedli intersect thing that worth investig and thing that advoc careless unreason advocaci hand can understand scientist select direct for research gordon bank point becom thi gener rhine academ sci psycholog that complet unscientif for test phobia cure sinc hasn describ scientif journal thi absurd fairli care academ studi favor result appar not accept doctor dissert and not publish refere journal result not publish field dissert result typic summar paper that submit journal paper accept for public dissert finish thi eas defens final hope lee ladi will forgiv comment nlp discuss sci psycholog and noth offer russel
sci.med	mri articl apr kestrel edu king reason dick king write recal read youth scienc popular book that whyle isotop don affect chemistri consumpt heavi water fatal and that seed water heavi water not sprout thi heard thi thought make good eposid columbo for poison heavi water wouldn show chemic test
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sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr spdcc dyer spdcc steve dyer write articl apr cunew carleton wcsbeau alfr carleton opirg write hard info provid msg make peopl ill that point don you merk check medic dictionari cite doctor mention earlier thi thread that peer review studi not address effect msg peopl anim model you can walk thi and start rant gloom and doom document deleteri health effect demonstr human note that wouldn argument statement note that anim administr pro duce blah blah care us human thi precis not you olnei excitotox food adit relev anim studi human safeti neurobehav toxicol teratol vol peta love hear your argument test rhesu monkei never studi mode administr intra ventricular glu and asp administ oral studi us and intra ventricular not normal admin method for food tox studi for obviou reason you not read peer review work that refer you never come thi brain inject bunk for neurotoxicolog you studi glutam involv food scienc talk food scienc thi comment suppos mean neurotoxicolog and tratolog brain research natur progress brain research fine food scienc journal pardon you get thi you read journal you thorough literatur search point studi human familiar literatur and never relat olnei work anim and effect glutam neuron you that olnei casual refer chines restaur syndrom articl don you point studi thi exchang product point exceed window amino acid note that peopl pku cannot toler phenylalanin toler phenylalanin essenti amino acid healthi produc danger level phenylalanin and metabolit blood unabl metabolis olnei research compar infant human diet specif amount freeli glu mother milk versu commerci babi food typic lunch item standard american diet such packag soup mix found that exce project safeti margin for infant human fold singl meal process food mother milk below effect dose good not that good feed infant lot glutam supplement food that thi project safeti margin construct deriv anim model and that you can prove you talk prudent polici infant nutrit you misrepres receiv wisdom receiv wisdom question that oral administ dose msg capabl destroi neuron arcuat nucleu hypothalamu and median emin area respons for product hormon critic normal neuroendocrin function and normal develop vertabr organ human vertebr prai you will happen area brain for normal rhythm gonadotropin releas miss you that human pituitari anh and that part brain that respons for control realeas albeit indirectli estradiol and testosteron you expect studi thi uneth sacrific human check effect chronic acut etc dose compound brain tissu human food industri thi that anim model us medicin and psych you talk straight sensit defin term plenti studi psychoneuroimmunolog show link attitud and physiolog suspect argu separ thing adult sensit you and late occur sequela childhood ingest and implic for adult dose for excitotox adult consider larger for young addit glu and asp and copiou and increas presenc modern process food jointli and hidden presenc hvp necessit extrem caution want eat compound shown markedli perturb endocrin system adult main point blood level attain and oral dose like greater interest you provid peer review food industri fund citat articl disput that msg effect whatsoev you mean assert you intellectu dishonest plain confus you conflat report not necessarili each olnei report argu potenti for problem human infant that not that thi whatsoev us msg food provid studi human deleteri effect for obviou reason noth msg contribt phenomenon chines restaur syndrom noth frequent inabl replic anecdot report msg sensit lab olnei work put causal mechan for sensit terri epelbaum and martin shown that oral administ msg normal gonadotrop hormon fluctut adult glu found induc and persist supress rhythmic secret and induc rapid and transient releas prolactin adult chronic expos msg respons not for control growth develop convert glycogen into glucos thi headach don dyer ursa major spdcc hmm not surpris diann murrai wcsbeau cc carleton dumber remark you made you had read olnei review articl remark quot earlier post you allud exactli for you comput consult
sci.med	frequent noseble articl apr freenet carleton freenet carleton robert allison write and noseble each week result genet predisposit weak capillari wall osler weber rendu fortun each noseble short durat method reduc thi frequenc younger brother each skin transplant thigh nose line noseble return refer herb call rutin that suppos and hear experi techniqu year son plagu lot vaselin nose each night control bop and recur for dai allergi cold dry air contribut vaselin ointment neosporin recur bev zalan
sci.med	select placebo king reason dick king write ron roth rose ron roth wrote otoh kid england medic journal ran head nineti percent diseas not treatabl drug surgeri echo report md not amus altern medicin sinc magic placebo effect award altern practition twice success rate convent medicin diseas not thing patient world curabl diseas that strike peopl and incur diseas strike person each medic scienc will cure patient and report that diseas therapi diseas count untreat noth placebo md ethic bound not knowingli dispens placebo hmmm even end didn mathemat statist post hope that you had thing mind your post you two end understand your calcul ron roseread thi mind intention left blank rosemail usenet rose media hamilton
sci.med	barbecu food and health risk grad school rememb biochemistri friend mine work heat shock protein appar burn protein will induc dna whether surviv denatur that occur digest don never eat burnt food thi wood toxin burnt logic that volatilis and into bbqed food don toxin antifung and anti woodeat compound surviv harsh condit stomach and intestin and cross intestin mucosa biochem background almost can shed light heat shock protein and toxin that wood us make charcoal and bbq ann mari rousseau mail rousseaua immunex noth immunex
sci.med	krillean photographi that correct spell for inform suppli that will yourself krillean pictur think that educ supplier for school appartu for sale don compani info greatli appreci case you don krillean photographi knowledg involv take pictur time organ object charg plate pictur will show energi pattern spike object photograph and depend type object spike energi pattern will vari extrapol and that thi prove that object univers energi signatur can confirm deni opinion express thi articl directli reflect person polit view and not liberti yield such explan alleg opinion
sci.med	food relat seizur comment feingold diet relev your daughter purport frostedflak relat seizur can imagin you includ steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc aka ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc dyer
sci.med	ey domin articl world std rsilver world std richard silver write ey domin eyed handed popul mean peopl requir len correct for ey kind percentag can attach thi long sight ey and short sight ey ey cut distant thing left ey close had spec balanc thing bit thought that anoth middl ag rear ugli head and can longer close object that arm get shorter flog will continu moral improv pchurch swell actrix gen pat churchil wellington zealand
sci.med	adult chicken pox articl bdo feenix metronet marcbg feenix metronet marc grant write bod point longer infecti physician offic scab thi true medic can promot heal pox speed heal acyclovir start dai speed recoveri and decreas format pox david rind rind enterpris bih harvard edu
sci.med	msg sensit superstit heard that epilept patient into seizur eat msg ad thi excitotox neuron
sci.med	ey domin nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye write repli rsilver world std richard silver ey domin eyed handed popul mean peopl requir len correct for ey kind percentag can attach thi eyed analog handed noth refract error whether you left ei roll sheet paper into tube and hold ey telescop ey that you feel comfort put your domin ey refract error two ey correl handed david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel you mean comfort put that bit hard evalu for stare straight point hand togeth and clasp that pointer finger point straight forward spot wall feet stare spot ey open close your left ey open your left ey close your ey open your ey imag jump you close your ey you ey domin imag jump you close your left ey you left ey domin deantha
sci.med	msg sensit superstit food industri even bother address previou question you put msg almost food assum that wife answer closer truth hope believ that msg ad food peopl eat and not quit shoud sate put believ that for peopl msg act food addict eat chip chow packag noodl soup you idea moral and ethic standard food chemic and regulatori group address can msg consid condit substanc not addict sort habit form thi bring side question mine notic that cat children and parent fixat brand pet food cat will eat product brand and not brand wonder thi not case prefer sort chemic train addict question for net fda regul content pet food allow for pet food addict condit substanc msg put pet food speak for and not motorola walter lundbi
sci.med	krillean photographi articl apr unlv edu todamhyp charl unlv edu brian huei write that correct spell proper spell kirlian effect discoverd kirlian soviet film develop recal corona visibl ascrib static discharg and chemic reaction organ materi and silver halid film tarl neustaedt stratu comput tarl stratu marlboro mass disclaim employ not respons for opinion
sci.med	intraven antibiot recent had case shingl and doctor want give intraven acyclovir pain find site arm can fact advantag give intraven antibiot oral marti
sci.med	msg sensit superstit betti harvei write not research medic person amaz that can find scientif fact automat assum that reaction psycholog mind boggl thi simpli state result bankrupt ethic healthcar and scientif medicin industri america fed massiv wast and fraud that cost gnp support industri deliv margin health care commun clinton plan form take will cost even greater sum bleah steve
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr sco evanh sco evan hunt write articl apr iscnvx lmsc lockhe sharen iscnvx lmsc lockhe sharen rund write restaur advert msg restaur that featur salad bar us msg veggi fresh longer number thi bring import question for pre made salad kind sold supermarket msg ad mention legal mean law thi area steve dyer point that sharen think sulfit question stand evan hunt asst editor web for inform web mail evanh sco
sci.med	krillean photographi recal that articl radio electron thi subject fact copi articl front can find anywher articl refrenc month system describ automobil ignit coil for high voltag articl even includ inform kind film us and hope thi help joseph krzeszewski ski wpi wpi edu
sci.med	crash program basic immunolog research articl pgh ken mitchum write physician almost never sick horrend don mild case sick unusu thi not situat medic school pediatr pediatr for solid month ill and had temp final exam happen that train and constantli expos thing and usual reaction that challeng like exposur for deal and mild ill thi commonli teacher year sick lot gradual build immun almost common come healthiest work pathogen lab expos time pre osha kai klier biologi dept uni
sci.med	intraven antibiot articl apr spectrum xerox leisner eso xerox write recent had case shingl and doctor want give intraven acyclovir pain find site arm can fact advantag give intraven antibiot oral essenti inform miss you suffer condit caus immunosuppress indic for acyclovir for shingl healthi person oral form can reduc length symptom and even prevent develop post herpet neuralgia not subject therapi good reason address your gener question therapi provid higher and consist high plasma and tissu level drug for treat infect thi that patient get adequ drug level kenneth gilbert univers pittsburgh gener intern medicin dammit not programm
sci.med	barbecu food and health risk don understand assumpt that found carcinogen that not legal that natur occur substanc exclud control substanc pretti unregul term us food food addit consumpt chemist concoct ingredi that fall fda regul look close find reason ban almost world you suppos legal consum tobacco product ban call delani amend make carcinogen food addit illeg amount thi pass congress stuff mass spectrometri increas detect level substanc coupl order magnitud thi thing cyclam and red ban weakli carcinogen huge quantiti rat act ban thi appli natur carcinogen you rememb time back root beer suddenli stop tast good and never tast good that time safrol ban thi activ flavor ingredi sassafra leav market root beer good dai order make monei fact that that enforc effect odd except rule product gumbo file thi noth coars ground dri sassafra leav thi not natur product natur product natur form that evad delani special exempt made appeas power louisiana democrat
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr rtsg mot lundbi rtsg mot walter lundbi write food industri even bother address previou question you put msg almost food assum that wife answer closer truth hope don mean disrespect your concern that you get wound issu knowledg peopl point msg natur occur substanc lot not food food manufactur add prepar flavor enhanc your wife theori that msg ad food stimul appetit true don reason ad peopl larg for part charg appetit children and parent fixat brand pet food cat will eat product brand and not brand wonder thi not case prefer sort chemic train addict question for net fda regul content pet food allow for pet food addict condit substanc msg put pet food you don cat you cat will advantag you resign you will never understand cat tast whimsic suspect sinc check ingredi commerci cat food that stringent requir pet food addit human fda thi stupid idea that human be intellig interest barbara wonder cat care
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sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr walter bellcor jchen ctt bellcor write funni thing personali stori reaction msg vari greatli that heart beat speed flush face claim heart skip beat onc symptom relat tachycardia get flush face due heart pump blood faster regular puls suspect thi relat increas sodium level blood sinc note sodium chlorid monosodium glutam sodium compound bodi requir sodium can good thing react headach thi relat increas blood flow increas heart rate sodium msg distend crainial arteri essenti headach discrep necessarili stomach ach stomach ach and vomit tend relat not necessarili discrep like relat reaction vomit occur respons rid noxiou compound organ eaten person can digest stuff list stuff peopl allerg quit long and lack enzym break gastrointestin distress stomach belli ach expect had wateri ey run nose respiratori reaction and consid similar vomit for bodi dispos noxiou compound adaptiov respons food environment compound respons for symptom import rememb that lot opf effet can addit synergyst subtract etc etc exactli dish and person expos respiratori sound suspici resopir and heart rate connect thing bodi simpl inetract place vertebr bodi had itchi skin rash peopl respond myriad wai compound depend compound that piss bodi pollen for exampl plant aggriv breath peopl inhal set immun system and histamin attack launch immun system overboard caus allerg person lot miseri and allergi pollen will troubl herb tea that pollen chamomil linden etc drink substanc can perturb that person system inhal accus includ respir difficulti and don that heart rate and circulatori problem not can deadli and brain damag area brain effect neuroendocrin system control releas gonadotropin supra hormon control cyclic releas testosteron and estradiol somatostatin and steroid test for effect dose wee bit uneth vomit guess that msg becom number suspect problem thi case food poison absolut synergyst mess eat undetect shrimp mushroom allerg alcohol and inhal diesel fume bike home contract flu sig dai drink glass sort thing msg you heard thing msg you sick like not food poison stomach flu undetect thing gui allerg human bodi not machin peopl vari wide respons and lot reaction due combin thing diann murrai wcsbeau cc carleton
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sci.med	msg sensit superstit you met chemist food industri businessman you person lot for you that evil moster goal inflict pain and diseas into gener public gimm break articl apr rtsg mot lundbi rtsg mot walter undbi write such thing msg monosodium glutam sensit superstit experi contrari person sensit msg and wife and kid want food industri put msg food make food tast put salt food reason don understand industri give reason industri byproduct that get rid not that person you big fan such recycl that case cover fact that recip not good food poor qualiti occas that case gener idea that msg improv flavor food you sadist pleasur make sick tast tester defect flavor sensor mouth etc that msg correct don understand nitrosiamin recal natur product heat food don put number criteria choos process food want make tast good good sell for good price etc fact that us tell that that contribut goal interest goal not make peopl sick such goal woud quickli drive busi and for benefit outlaw us substanc warn label larg cig packag warn california law requir that contain carcinogen label that includ gaslin pump food and even monei clean machin nickel mild carcinogen result that pai attent warn requir compar product market free substanc and state that free msg dye nitrosiamin and sulfit packag not peopl want bui thi ugli rotten not tasti food guess will wast huh terribl effici outlaw yellow dye for that matter dye food make food food that good vitamin compani want that fine you make vitamin you whether bui flavor vitamin for kid can swallow convent food food quit put junk you defin junk put salt food bad pepper alcohol preserv seal jar wax vinegar you that chemic food fact that food chemic you express irrat prejudic food process brian
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sci.med	select placebo romda uclink berkelei edu ella baff write ron roth recommend onc you your hypoglycemia confirm proper channel you diet omit ron you proper channel thi sound suspici glad caught your ey that purpos thi forum educ eager learn fact life that phrase us bridl frenzi respond feel left proper author consult that topic short mean absolut noth blood chemistri glucos toler and suddenli chemistri exist you perfectli that thi person can save needless troubl and expens simpl muscl test and hair analysi diagnos confirm aberr physiolog that you mean muscl test and hair analysi fascin space ag medic techniqu you us you sit pyramid night shrink your brain back normal mind expand dai your save earth clinic you understand dick king post that diseas not thy evalu statist you cite england journal medicin coul onc figur you wrestl possibl you conceiv not understand answer your question ron you thought you never post misc health alterna tive and insist insinu your untrain medic delusion notion health and diseas into thi forum suspect your appar anger md and heteropath medicin that you psychoanalyt rascal you figur underli father problem can confirm thi surrog muscl test patient ponder theori previous weak indic muscl strengthen you reserv uniqu method diagnosi john badan romda uclink berkelei edu man you start teach thi stuff bet thi net absolut dy learn spinal adjust and head straight for mind for freudian sublux ron roseread world you your rosemail usenet rose media hamilton
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sci.med	select placebo ron roth rose ron roth write romda uclink berkelei edu ella baff write ron roth recommend onc you your hypoglycemia confirm proper channel you diet omit ron you proper channel thi sound suspici glad caught your ey that purpos thi forum educ eager learn fact life that phrase us bridl frenzi respond feel left proper author consult that topic short mean absolut noth apt descript content ronroth post date entertain diminish
sci.med	sudden numb arm experienc sudden numb left arm thi morn complet set deep squat todai weight train dai and begin routin sudden end set arm felt had sleep cold turn pale and lost strength weight us for squat wasn that heavi work hard not effort wait for minut shake arm back life and continu chest exercis flye lighter dumbel us drop left dumbel set and experienc continu arm weak into second quit train and decid not usual hour ski machin easi for rest dai arm somewhat numb and significantli weaker normal hand tingl bit thumb color return normal and longer cold horrid thought chunk plaqu block major arteri brain vegetarian and pretti fit daili exercis regimen that can pinch nerv bar symptom hope thi happen noth thi happen come ag tom tom molnar unix system group univers toronto comput commun
sci.med	good grief candida albican doctor includ face that evid yeast connect cannot guarante safeti for incompet rip lip justifi concern thi doesn sound candida albican john badan romda uclink berkelei edu
sci.med	good grief candida albican articl dyer spdcc steve dyer write articl nore netcom jon nore write good grief anger touch raw nerv had symptom that resist treatment sporanox total allevi week hmmm psychot yesss that ill mind steve for your correct diagnosi you lot experi trench treat hundr patient week you forev your debt jon oop gotta run men white coat readi haha happi home can twiddl thumb basket weav and moan sinus charter member infj club you dy infj mean brave mail send info jon nore nore netcom jkn intern fred gourmet chocol carlton place phone chip world livermor mail you read alt psycholog person that action
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sci.med	good grief candida albican articl romda uclink berkelei edu ella baff write doctor includ face that evid yeast connect cannot guarante safeti for incompet rip lip justifi concern thi doesn sound candida albican anger don rip peopl lip candida overcolon and becom fungu man jon charter member infj club you dy infj mean brave mail send info jon nore nore netcom jkn intern fred gourmet chocol carlton place phone chip world livermor mail you read alt psycholog person that action
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sci.med	refer multipl person disord and allergi heard hand not form inform that recent publish result studi multipl person disord syndrom patient reveal interest clue that root allergi psycholog trigger basi heard thi studi that person mpd patient exhibit observ clinic sign inhal allergi scratch test us heard person show obviou allergi symptom includ test full scratch test for inhal thi true fascin thi studi and studi show and studi publish jon nore charter member infj club you dy infj mean brave mail send info jon nore nore netcom jkn intern fred gourmet chocol carlton place phone chip world livermor mail you read alt psycholog person that action
sci.med	diet work great articl apr omen caf omen chuck forsberg kgx write articl pitt geb pitt edu gordon bank write can you provid refer substanti that gain back lost weight not constitut weight rebound exce start weight thi oral tradit that share you obes research not two obes europ proceed european congress obes annal acad sci hmmm don refer passiv aggress behavior associ weight rebound brian
sci.med	food relat seizur articl edu dozonoff edu david ozonoff write cereal corn base your post look literatur and locat two articl that implic corn contain tryptophan and seizur idea that corn diet potenti exist latent seizur disord not check two kellog cereal corn base interest year ago intern obes young woman brought into comatos report grand mal seizur attend corn festiv pump stomach and obtain coupl liter corn intact kernal hour woke and fine tempt sign acut corn intox gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
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sci.med	altitud adjust articl mdavcr mda vida mdavcr mda vida morkuna write live sea level and call travel high altitud citi quit frequent busi citi question feet altitud pollut mexico citi bogota paz feel faint two dai feel lighthead and heart pound lot sea level dry citi will tend drink lot water and dehydr drink such contain caffein alcohol thing symptom can ensur that short trip don week acclimat comfort that dai earli preliminari acclimat take dai take week month for full acclimat you experienc jet lag
sci.med	good grief candida albican articl noringc snsx kmo netcom nore netcom jon nore write articl rind enterpris bih harvard edu david rind write convinc evid that such diseas exist lot evid hasn adequ gather and publish that will convinc die hard melanchol skeptic quiver everytim word anecdot empir us evid that convinc credul evid ident sort evid that us justifi sort quack treatment for quack diseas past medicin road methink that hold firmli parti line academ haven trench long treat patient implic not that quack make million such diseas bias that doubt exist don understand real world easi pictur centur snake oil salesman thing trench long multipl quack diseas rise and fall popular system yeast syndom make resurg had fallen year ago will such diseas sell book and expens therapi doctor includ face that evid yeast connect cannot guarante safeti for incompet rip lip justifi concern thi convinc guess start diagnos ill that peopl want that can lip david rind rind enterpris bih harvard edu
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sci.med	thrush good grief candida albican articl aldridgec netcom aldridg netcom jacquelin aldri write dyer spdcc steve dyer write etc dyer you rude medicin not totallli scientif endevour practic disorgan manner earli treatment life threaten ill guess hazard anecdot evid patient educ guess train person guess cheaper and simpler medic and deal peopl don respond dyer rude and will peopl blind knowledg and unopen that isn establish medic commun doesn surpris that thi outlook for record had outbreak thrush past year indic immunosuppress nutrit defici had not antobiot dentist see fair amount thrush recommend acidophil began take acidophil daili basi outbreak ceas quit take acidophil outbreak period resum resum take acidophil outbreak sinc mike mccurdi univers comput servic disclaim san diego state univers mccurdi ucsvax sdsu edu wrong
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sci.med	diagnos lyme articl watson ibm yozzo watson ibm ralph yozzo write you call quack quack don cultur poo poo lab test thi lyme you argu that lyme lab test accur you cultur spirochet virtual patient lyme suppos you contamin exception sloppi lab not fals posit gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
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sci.med	food relat seizur sharon paulson paulson tab larc nasa gov wrote delet fact that thi happen eat two sugar coat cereal made kellog make allerg reaction coat cereal famili kathryn show sign hai fever run nose itchi ey etc lot allergi famili histori includ weird food allergi nut mushroom cereal corn base your post look literatur and locat two articl that implic corn contain tryptophan and seizur idea that corn diet potenti exist latent seizur disord not check two kellog cereal corn base interest david ozonoff mph boston univers school public health dozonoff med itvax edu east concord boston
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sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl apr lmpsbb comm mot dougb comm mot doug bank write dougb comm mot doug bank subject msg sensit superstit date thu apr gmt articl apr tm micro david tm micro david thoma write lot edit previuo post anoth anecdot stori picki eater and never want chines food final order girl time had never heard chines restaur syndrom group restaur and share dish didn tast great decid wasn bad home and bed earli woke and puke gut out threw for long that not kid pull muscl tongu dry heav and sick and not allerg that suffic that wont into chines restaur physic threaten smell food make ill and that psycholg reaction drag suffer beef and broccoli sauc insist msg haven sick funni that wife girlfriend time us sick eat food asian restaur and never knew pale and sweati and vomit copious coupl ventur connect msg and respons msg that happen pig brand savouri cracker and chip notic had msg label don doubl blind avoid msg stop sick restaur cheer john john nash email nash biologysx lan nrc institut for biolog scienc nation research council canada cell physiolog group ottawa ontario canada disclaim opinion mine not nrc
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sci.med	hicn medic newslett part cut hicnet medic newslett page volum number april gonorrhea colorado sourc mmwr date apr number report case gonorrhea colorado increas declin steadili comparison unit state report case gonorrhea continu decreas trend thi report summar analysi increas gonorrhea colorado and character trend occurr thi diseas case gonorrhea report colorado depart health cdh compar case report report case increas and femal and male tabl similar increas occur black white and hispan and number report case race not increas and constitut report case largest proport increas ag group occur person ag year and greater equal year ag group account for report case person year ag group account for largest number report case gonorrhea and highest ag group specif rate per report case gonorrhea increas counti denver metropolitan area popul decreas state tabl half case gonorrhea denver metropolitan area occur censu tract repres neighborhood consid sexual transmit diseas std acquir immunodefici syndrom aid field staff focu gang and drug activ compar number gonorrhea case diagnos men denver metro health clinic dmhc primari public std clinic denver metropolitan area increas and number visit male clinic increas concurr number case diagnos women increas identifi heterosexu men number gonorrhea case diagnos dmhc increas and compris case diagnos male number case diagnos identifi homosexu men remain low and and select laboratori metropolitan denver area hmo univers hospit nonprofit famili plan and commerci contact determin whether gonorrhea cultur posit rate increas gonorrhea cultur posit rate laboratori contact increas rate virtual unchang fourth nonprofit famili plan report case gonorrhea white and hispan colorado decreas comparison report case black hicnet medic newslett page volum number april increas sinc figur popul colorado increas for black for hispan and for white gonorrhea rate for black per person time that for white per and time that for hispan per tabl black femal report case gonorrhea increas year ag group black male case increas and year ag group report gershman finn spencer msph std aid program hoffman state epidemiologist colorado dept health dougla denver dept health and hospit surveil and inform system div sexual transmit diseas and hiv prevent nation center for prevent svc cdc editori note increas report gonorrhea case colorado repres increas occurr thi diseas complet report stimul visit laboratori cdh surveil staff increas confirm gonorrhea case dmhc and cultur posit rate laboratori suggest real increas gonorrhea report artifact stabl cultur posit rate nonprofit famili plan laboratori serv network clinic statewid that gonorrhea increas not uniformli affect segment popul explan for increas occurr gonorrhea colorado gang and drug relat sexual behavior implic recent outbreak drug resist gonorrhea and std colorado spring high morbid censu tract denver metropolitan area coincid area gang and drug activ thi hypothesi requir assess examin role drug us implic previous factor contribut nation increas syphili cdh std aid program collect inform person gonorrhea diagnos drug us exchang sex for monei drug and gang affili gonorrhea rate for black colorado substanti exce nation health object for year per object race like risk marker risk factor for gonorrhea and std risk marker for identifi group greatest risk for std and for target prevent effort race specif variat std rate reflect differ factor such socioeconom statu access medic care and high risk behavior respons increas occurr gonorrhea colorado intervent initi cdh std aid program includ target partner notif denver metropolitan area person group increas risk year black femal and year black male implement media campaign public servic radio hicnet medic newslett page volum number april announc sign citi buse newspap advertis and poster school and clinic promot awar std risk and prevent target primarili high risk group and develop team peer educ perform educ outreach high risk neighborhood educ intervent develop and implement assist member target group and input forum commun leader and health care provid refer cdc tabl case select notifi diseas unit state week end decemb and decemb week mmwr cdc gang relat outbreak penicillinas produc neisseria gonorrhoea and sexual transmit diseas colorado spring colorado mmwr cdc relationship syphili drug us and prostitut connecticut and philadelphia pennsylvania mmwr rolf goldberg sharrar risk factor for syphili cocain us and prostitut public health andru fleme harger partner notif can control epidem syphili ann intern med gershman rolf diverg gonorrhea and syphili trend real public health public health servic healthi peopl nation health promot and diseas prevent object full report commentari washington depart health and human servic public health servic dhh public ph hicnet medic newslett page volum number april effect diseas and injuri prevent impact adult safeti belt us restraint us children year ag select state and sourc mmwr date apr motor vehicl crash lead death children and young adult unit state and account for million year potenti life lost ag annual child safeti seat and safeti belt can substanti reduc thi loss state pass legisl requir us child safeti seat safeti belt for children law reduc injuri young children estim motor vehicl crash relat injuri remain major disabl and death children us occup restraint children decreas invers ag usag for ag year ag year and ag year addit parent not us safeti belt like us restraint for children character associ adult safeti belt us and adult report consist us occup restraint for youngest child ag year household cdc analyz data obtain behavior risk factor surveil system brfss and thi report summar find thi studi data for respond ag greater equal year state that particip brfss popul base random digit dial telephon survei and administ standard injuri control and child safeti modul develop cdc respond had child ag year household each respond ask child ag and frequenc restraint us for that child two categori child restraint and adult safeti belt us thi analysi consist us buckl and consist us almost sometim rare never buckl data weight provid estim repres each state softwar for survei data analysi sudaan us calcul point estim and confid interv statist signific differ defin valu each state had type child restraint law six arizona kentucki main nebraska rhode island and west virginia had law requir adult us safeti belt idaho maryland pennsylvania and washington had secondari enforc mandatori safeti belt law vehicl had stop for traffic violat citat for nonus safeti belt issu and state york had primari enforc mandatori safeti belt law vehicl stop for safeti belt law violat alon state child passeng protect hicnet medic newslett page volum number april law includ children ag year two state us ag and size child criteria for mandatori restraint us analysi thi report subgroup state into law requir adult safeti belt us law state and such law law state children ag year reportedli not consist restrain automobil travel child restraint us and adult restraint us significantli higher chi squar test law state law state versu and versu high rate restraint us for children ag equal year report adult indic consist and consist safeti belt us figur adult consist us report high rate child occup restraint us child ag rang for year old for year old comparison for adult report consist safeti belt us rate child occup restraint us declin sharpli ag child rang for year old for year old compar children consist adult safeti belt user children consist adult safeti belt user confid interv overlap for two youngest ag group ag and year report child occup restraint us law state gener exceed that law state ag child tabl addit higher adult educ attain significantli associ increas restraint us for children factor that associ increas adult safeti belt us report nation center for injuri prevent and control nation center for chronic diseas prevent and health promot cdc editori note find thi report consist indic that adult not us safeti belt like emploi occup restraint for children nonbelt adult increas risk crash and like exhibit risk take behavior children travel greater risk for motor vehicl injuri educ attain adult respond invers associ child restraint us thi report accordingli occup protect program promot parent low educ attain low educ attain associ low socioeconom statu such program offer adult health care facil that serv low incom commun feder program head start that direct parent young children injuri prevent program emphas restrain young children addit effort intensifi protect child occup hicnet medic newslett page volum number april becom older parent low educ attain not consist wear safeti belt and state that not mandatori safeti belt us law encourag wear safeti belt and protect children approv child safeti seat and safeti belt final increas us restraint children increas likelihood safeti belt becom teenag ag group character lowest rate safeti belt us and highest rate fatal crash refer cdc childhood injuri unit state di child partyka paper child restraint effect and us washington depart transport nation highwai traffic safeti administr report dot guerin mackinnon assess california child passeng restraint requir public health hall orr suttl progress report increas child restraint usag local educ and distribut program chapel hill north carolina univers north carolina chapel hill highwai safeti research center nation highwai traffic safeti administr occup protect trend citi washington depart transport nation highwai traffic safeti administr wagenaar molnar margoli characterist child safeti seat user accid anal prev shah barnwel hunt lavang softwar for survei data analysi sudaan version softwar document research triangl park north carolina research triangl institut lund voluntari seat belt us driver geograph socioeconom and demograph variat accid anal prev margoli wagenaar molnar us and misus automobil child restraint devic di child hunter stutt stewart rodgman characterist seatbelt user and user state mandatori us law health educ hicnet medic newslett page volum number april research arizona idaho kentucki main maryland nebraska york pennsylvania rhode island washington and west virginia hicnet medic newslett page volum number april public cdc surveil summari sourc mmwr date apr sinc cdc publish cdc surveil summari separ cover part mmwr seri each report publish cdc surveil summari focus public health surveil surveil find report for broad rang risk factor and health condit summari for each report publish recent march issu cdc surveil summari provid below subscrib mmwr receiv cdc surveil summari mmwr recommend and report part subscript surveil for and comparison birth defect preval two geograph area unit state problem condit cdc and state develop surveil system monitor birth preval major defect report period cover thi report cover birth defect surveil metropolitan atlanta georgia and select jurisdict california for year descript system california birth defect monitor program and metropolitan atlanta congenit defect program two popul base surveil system that emploi similar data collect method preval estim for diagnost categori base data for for birth california and birth metropolitan atlanta preval two area compar adjust for race sex and matern ag poisson regress result region differ preval aortic stenosi fetal alcohol syndrom hip disloc dysplasia microcephalu obstruct kidnei uret and scoliosi lordosi attribut gener diagnost variabl differ preval arm hand limb reduct encephalocel spina bifida trisomi syndrom not attribut differ ascertain defect rel easi diagnos interpret region differ prenat diagnosi and pregnanc termin affect preval trisomi and spina bifida reason for differ arm hand reduct unknown relat variabl environment exposur heterogen gene pool random variat action similar data base collabor studi implement differ birth preval spina bifida and syndrom will focu attent impact prenat diagnosi author jane schulman nanci hicnet medic newslett page volum number april jensvold gari shaw california birth defect monitor program march dime birth defect foundat larri edmond ann mcclearn divis birth defect and development disabl nation center for environment health cdc influenza unit state problem condit cdc monitor emerg and spread influenza viru variant and impact influenza morbid and mortal annual octob report period cover thi report cover influenza surveil conduct octob descript system weekli report vital statist offic citi provid index influenza impact mortal collabor laboratori report weekli identif influenza virus weekli morbid report receiv state and territori epidemiologist and sentinel famili practic physician nonsystemat report outbreak and unusu ill receiv year result influenza season influenza and virus identifi unit state essenti equal frequenc region and tempor pattern predomin shift season season increas indic influenza morbid region influenza predomin similar increas region influenza predomin identifi virus influenza isol thi subtyp increas season wane and subsequ predomin season season outbreak nurs home report associ influenza and not influenza interpret altern tempor and geograph predomin influenza strain and season emphas import continu attent region viral strain surveil sinc amantadin effect for treatment and prophylaxi influenza action weekli interim analys surveil data produc season physician and public health offici make inform choic us amantadin cdc annual surveil observ viral variant assess candid for inclus compon vaccin us subsequ influenza season author louisa chapman epidemiolog activ offic director divis viral and rickettsi diseas nation center for infecti diseas margaret tippl divis quarantin nation center for prevent servic cdc suzann gaventa folger health investig branch divis health studi agenc for toxic substanc and diseas registri mauric harmon connaught hicnet medic newslett page volum number april laboratori pasteur mirieux compani swiftwat pennsylvania alan kendal european region offic world health organ copenhagen denmark nanci cox influenza branch divis viral and rickettsi diseas nation center for infecti diseas lawrenc schonberg epidemiolog activ offic director divis viral and rickettsi diseas nation center for infecti diseas cdc refer cdc cdc surveil summari march mmwr hicnet medic newslett page volum number april clinic research new clinic research new for arizona physician vol april tucson arizona publish monthli offic public affair univers arizona health scienc center copyright univers arizona high tech assist reproduct technolog birth vitro fertil embryo transfer ivf babi host assist reproduct technolog develop that includ ivf gamet intrafallopian tube transfer gift embryo cryopreserv freez and gamet micromanipul togeth technolog refer high tech assist reproduct technolog art procedur ovul induct sperm insemin and surgeri for tubal diseas and patholog mainstai therapi for infertil manag fail almost proce art procedur addit comprehens basic and gener infertil servic univers arizona center for reproduct endocrinolog and infertil program assist reproduct that special art procedur thi program serv tertiari provid for patient state arizona infertil problem cannot resolv tradit therapi articl back describ art procedur center clarifi applic for each and consid realist expect for success procedur includ vitro fertil embryo transfer ivf gamet intrafallopian tube transfer gift cryopreserv human embryo and gamet micromanipul thi articl consid ongo research program that direct improv success technolog hicnet medic newslett page volum number april futur area research addit ongo research that direct exclus manag infertil coupl develop technolog assist coupl risk for produc embryo hereditari diseas thi technolog involv biopsi preimplant human embryo and subject biopsi cell genet analysi dna amplif fluoresc situ hybrid recent report success applic dna amplif center for exampl for diagnosi gene for cystic fibrosi and hemophilia hope appli and focu fluoresc situ hybrid technolog for probe chromosom identif will provid scientif basi for counsel patient exhibit sex link disord consider clinic applic such technolog li fact that circumv for prenat diagnosi addit possibl subsequ termin affect fetus order avoid birth affect children catherin racowski associ professor and director research depart obstetr and gynecolog colleg medicin univers arizona tucson arizona applic success rate and advanc for manag infertil art procedur univers arizona center for reproduct endocrinolog and infertil vitro fertil embryo transfer core art procedur assist reproduct program thi procedur involv retriev unfertil egg ovari insemin vitro dish and cultur result embryo for dai transfer patient uteru cultur maintain incub strictli control atmospher and temperatur condit process for us insemin semen sampl evalu androlog laboratori subject light microscopi and comput hicnet medic newslett page volum number april assist semen analys ensur adequ number egg perform ivf gift follicular develop typic stimul gonadotropin perganol metrodin gonadotropin releas hormon gnrh factrel lutrepuls and gnrh analogu lupron depo lupron synarel occasion ivf accomplish egg obtain stimul cycl program util laparoscop egg retriev oper room patient gener anesthesia undertak costli approach ultrasound guid retriev infertil unit patient sedat coupl resort ivf exhibit such patholog tubal defici ovulatori dysfunct endometriosi and mild form male factor infertil unit state ivf registri success rate for ivf nationwid stabil percent per cycl result program involv patient undergon ivf cycl reflect compar success rate nevertheless incid success thi procedur disconcertingli low and emphas address physiolog factor that limit achiev higher percentag pregnanc recogn predictor outcom includ patient ag respons exogen ovarian stimul qualiti sperm and number repeat ivf cycl attempt ag singl signific determin concept critic that such patient refer assist reproduct program earliest opportun failur tradit therapi underli basi for neg effect ag fertil not delin recognit that number egg for retriev declin markedli ag fertil rate significantli decreas egg retriev patient year and provid hormon background present ag unrel uterin compet sustain pregnanc ongo research center investig physiolog egg that impact ag determin that percent egg that fail fertil vitro chromosom abnorm and that signific proport abnorm account patient ag recours for such patient us egg obtain donor program initi recruit volunt egg donor satisfi list recipi interest thi form therapi gift thi high tech art procedur perform oper room us laparoscop and contrast ivf involv introduc sperm and freshli retriev egg into lumen fallopian tube averag egg tube circumst fertil occur vivo and excess egg retriev remaind undergo ivf subsequ option for embryo transfer that cycl freez for transfer 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reduc cost circumv legal and ethic issu relat dispos supernumerari embryo stipul american fertil societi ethic guidelin for art program practic and ethic standpoint assist reproduct program capabl cryopreserv human embri gamet micromanipul thi art procedur appli coupl unaccept insemin donor semen sever male factor infertil million sperm combin fewer perccent motil sperm and percent sperm normal morpholog develop procedur sub zonal insert szi entail inject sperm coat egg barrier penetr sperm enzymat digest data szi program world wide that percent szi cycl result pregnanc thi statist undoubtedli relat limit impos abnorm inher sperm focus develop improv techniqu for recognit and select sperm chosen for manipul such effort unquestion worthwhil view fact that thi technolog offer realist opportun for sever male factor patient establish concept catherin racowski hicnet medic newslett page volum number april associ professor and director research depart obstetr and gynecolog colleg medicin end 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sci.med	hicn medic new part cut limit azt efficaci and suggest drug sequenti drug kind aid treatment cocktail combin number drug fight viru onc treat peopl azt alon doesn happen real world anymor mark jacobson univers california san francisco recent find indic that hiv replic rapidli lymph node infect physician begin push even harder for earli treatment hiv infect patient infecti diseas push american medic new vol center for diseas control will launch worldwid network track spread infecti diseas and detect drug resist strain time prevent spread network expect cost million and million essenti part clinton administr health reform plan cdc and expert plan will requir cdc enhanc surveil diseas unit state and establish facil across world track diseas april nih plan begin aid drug trial earlier stage natur vol macilwain colin hicnet medic newslett page volum number april nation institut health announc will start treat hiv posit patient seroconvers result recent find that show hiv activ bodi larg number earlier previous believ anthoni fauci director nation institut allergi and infecti diseas niaid address question treat peopl earli possibl can drug that safe give peopl for year and that will microbi resist delai signifi question safeti and resist lack fund fauci author two paper publish last week natur reject argument author cecil fox that discoveri that billion spent vaccin trial wast time and monei trial start long patient infect and end quickli john tew medic colleg virginia richmond claim that evid strongli back argument for earli treatment hiv infect patient aid activist welcom inform scientif commun slow understand signific infect lymph tissu thi for year glad public domain jess dobson california base project inform peter duesberg believ that aid independ hiv and result drug abus west paradox explan aid even paper april risk aid viru doctor found minim washington post risk hiv transmit infect health care profession patient minim research publish todai journal american medic associ jama thi find support previou conclus health expert that chanc contract hiv health care worker remot studi jama demonstr that thousand patient treat two hiv posit surgeon and dentist infect viru studi conduct separ research team hampshir maryland and florida each studi start hiv posit doctor dentist and test patient will particip hampshir studi found that patient had undergon invas procedur hiv posit orthoped surgeon contract hiv maryland patient oper breast surgeri specialist john hopkin hospit found hiv neg similarli florida dental hicnet medic newslett page volum number april patient had treat hiv posit gener dentist test and found neg for hiv florida research led gordon dickinson univers miami school medicin thi studi that risk for transmiss hiv gener dentist patient minim set univers precaut strictli observ relat stori philadelphia inquir altern medicin advoc divid nih research program aid treatment new gilden dave offic altern medicin nation institut health rais question nih commit effort that unorthodox holist therapeut method oam small divis nih budget million dollar compar billion for nih addit monei for research grant even smaller total will thi year for grant kaiya montaocean center for natur and tradit medicin washington oam afraid becom involv aid success and easi answer aid common percept that oam will focu field nih establish will find threaten such relax techniqu and acupunctur oam call for advisori committe confer peopl last year aid commun larg miss meet addit activist gener lack contact offic ad suspicion that epidem will jon greenberg act york oam advisori panel compos practition real research experi will year accept natur research nevertheless leanna standish research director and aid investig bastyr colleg naturopath medicin seattl wonder opportun fund aid research fair give offic time gel public insist that public relat herpesviru decim immun cell soldier scienc new vol fackelmann kathi scientist conduct test tube experi found that herpesviru can attack human immun system natur killer cell thi attack killer cell malfunct diminish import compon immun system fight diseas herpesviru factor immun diseas such aid paolo lusso research found that herpesviru attack anoth white cell lymphocyt primari target hiv lusso found that herpesviru can hicnet medic newslett page volum number april kill natur killer cell scientist previous knew that natur killer cell patient infect hiv not work correctli lusso research repres time scientist that natur killer cell vulner kind viral attack anthoni komaroff research harvard medic school despit test tube find scientist uncertain whether result occur bodi lusso team found that herpesviru produc receptor molecul that access for hiv lymphocyt express thi surfac receptor make vulner hiv attack research conclud that herpesviru cell can exacerb affect hiv april aid and prioriti global villag editor journal american medic associ vol gellert georg and nordenberg dale health care worker oblig and respons for not ensur that politician understand dimens health problem commit relat polici write georg gellert and dale nordenberg orang counti health care agenc santa ana calif and emori univers school public health atlanta berklei editori american doctor care aid epidem unit state detail reason for concert interest that countri share combat aid note that aid lead hasten global health interdepend not ill diseas such malaria and respiratori and intestin pathogen similarli inhibit econom develop human and act margin larg popul berklei mention enorm social and econom impact that aid will develop countri and increas for intern assist that will result berklei cite lack polit aggress aid epidem decad administr promis substanti differ approach intern health and develop gener and hiv aid vice presid gore propos book earth balanc major environment initi that includ sustain intern develop program promot literaci improv child surviv and dissemin contracept technolog and access develop world enact thi chang polici drastic chang futur worldwid health aid and prioriti global villag repli journal american hicnet medic newslett page volum number april medic associ vol berklei seth nation tackl hiv earli and aggress diseas reach endem state even cost divert attent ill write seth berklei rockefel foundat york repli letter dr gellert and nordenberg true that diseas aid such malaria and respiratori and intestin ill similarli inhibit econom develop develop countri and deserv attent get berklei disagre content that aid receiv attent hiv differ diseas develop countri continu spread for endem diseas outcom neglect intervent for year anoth year level needless diseas and death aid and increas spread cost neglect not diseas burden financi greater intervent earli part rampantli spread epidem hiv highli cost effect each individu infect prevent significantli interrupt transmiss berklei agre gellert and nordenberg gigant social and econom effect aid and for polit leadership conclud that not assert polit leadership need unit state for aid epidem even develop countri high rate hiv infect and complac epidem rule hicnet medic newslett page volum number april aid hiv articl hiv vaccin trial begin hiv infect children depart health and human servic march hiv vaccin therapi trial begin hiv infect children nation institut health open trial experiment hiv vaccin children infect human immunodefici viru hiv viru that aid trial will compar safeti hiv experiment vaccin children recruit site nationwid volunt hiv infect symptom hiv diseas hh secretari donna shalala thi initi studi can hope mileston effort amelior tragedi hiv infect children face certainti will develop aid anthoni fauci director nation institut allergi and infecti diseas and nih offic aid research trial step find whether vaccin can prevent delai diseas progress children hiv not sick vaccin prove safe sophist question therapeut potenti will assess phase trial center for diseas control and prevent estim children unit state hiv end decad world health organ project million children will infect worldwid studi will enrol children ag month year niaid fund aid clinic trial group network anticip conduct trial actg site countri and site particip actg fund nation institut child health and human develop preliminari evid similar studi infect adult show that vaccin can boost exist hiv specif immun respons and hicnet medic newslett page volum number april stimul will year research respons affect clinic diseas result pediatr trial actg will examin close for reason thi trial will provid insight into immatur immun system respond candid hiv vaccin daniel hoth director niaid divis aid thi inform design trial test whether experiment vaccin can prevent hiv infect children unit state hiv infect children live poor citi area and percent minor black hispan hiv infect children acquir viru mother pregnanc birth infect mother unit state chanc transmit viru babi grow number women childbear ag becom expos hiv inject drug us infect sexual partner research expect increas number infect children hiv diseas progress rapidli infant and children adult recent inform suggest that percent infant born hiv develop aid relat infect year ag infect includ sever frequent bout common bacteri ill childhood that can result seizur pneumonia diarrhea and symptom lead nutrit problem and long hospit stai half children trial will year ag younger enabl comparison immun respons younger and older particip volunt document hiv infect symptom hiv diseas swollen lymph gland mildli swollen liver spleen cannot receiv anti retrovir immun regul drug month prior entri into studi studi chair john lambert univers rochest medic school and chair samuel katz duke univers school medicin will coordin trial assist jame mcnamara medic offic pediatr medicin branch niaid divis aid will compar safeti vaccin close monitor children for side effect vaccin produc swollen arm fever for exampl anoth mcnamara whether low high dose vaccin stimul immun respons signific laboratori clinic effect emphas that small studi size preclud compar respons effect hicnet medic newslett page volum number april product trial will test two dose each experiment vaccin made recombin hiv protein call subunit vaccin each genet engin piec viru prove toler ongo trial hiv infect adult vaccin made microgenesi inc meriden conn contain protein that rise hiv surfac protein alum adjuv adjuv boost specif immun respons vaccin present alum adjuv us human vaccin licens food and drug administr vaccin made genentech inc south san francisco and biocin joint ventur chiron and ciba geigi emeryvil calif major hiv surfac protein adjuv genentech vaccin contain alum biocin vaccin contain experiment adjuv that prove safe and effect phase vaccin trial adult low dose each product will test placebo children twelv children will assign random immun experiment vaccin and children will adjuv alon consid placebo health care worker children will told receiv low dose toler 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sci.med	thi migrain geb pitt edu gordon bank except migrain arguabl neurolog hope you meant inargu choic argu argument migran aura fact current evid that aura intrinsici neuron spread depress leao vascular caus vasoconstrict and secondari neuron ischemia migrain aura fuzzier issu not object measur brain function copenhagen mafia lauritzen olesen local cbf studi migrain aura and unlik migrain aura tension type found lcbf absurd perspect pain neurolog absenc nervou system not pain anoth tautolog perspect diseas domain specialti that treat neurologist treat headach usa headach neurolog whether neurolog not disagre that disabl headach common perhap fee for servic neurolog colleagu scroung for case want headach patient can work salari not fill offic patient hold head pain slmr mail jim zisfein factori jim zisfein
sci.med	thrush good grief candida albican dyer spdcc steve dyer write articl apr ucsvax sdsu edu mccurdi ucsvax sdsu edu mccurdi write dyer rude drink that yeah yeah yeah didn threaten rip your lip snort and will peopl blind knowledg and unopen that isn establish medic commun doesn surpris that thi outlook duh nice steve high and almighti intellectu prowess tact for record had outbreak thrush past year indic immunosuppress nutrit defici had not antobiot listen thrush recogn clinic syndrom definit characterist you thrush you thrush you can lesion and cultur and you treat gener respond you not immunocompromis nore anal retent ide fix fungal infect sinus not even categori walk neurasthen convinc candida read quack book yawn dentist see fair amount thrush recommend acidophil began take acidophil daili basi outbreak ceas quit take acidophil outbreak period resum resum take acidophil outbreak sinc exactli question you steve your point thi person had you didn steve dyer nice that thing never chang steve you aren ignor group altern you into anoth posit thing you longer bother folk altern shame that peopl suffer that breath freeli for wast bandwidth folk don forget bow onc second dai and offer your born almight omnisci omnipot steve
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sci.med	msg sensit superstit nfdg sdf lonestar org marco sdf lonestar org steve giammarco write and add fuel flame war read year ago that natur msg extract sourc you mention not report aftereffect that nasti artifici msg extract coal tar that chines restaur syndrom find thi pretti hard heard msg mono sodium glutam fairli straight forward compound pure sourc not problem your comment suggest that impur experi msg effect part doubl blind studi that pure stuff caus sever effect possibl incorrect assumpt that msg food made process sugar beet thi not true sourc msg soya bean ferment chees mushroom msg folx react sometim strongli msg react strongli sodium chlorid tabl salt excess each symptom for common rapid heartbeat and uncomfort feel pressur chest upper left quadrant symptom had numb jaw muscl instanc arm leg headach lethargi and unabl awak affect peopl differ
sci.med	neurofibromatosi write grant propos for development genet class and chose neurofibromatosi gene and variabl express curiou thi subject relationship specif mutat and result phenotyp literatur search produc refer want make propos research ayth that recent kei peopl research search for medlin apprciat inform you lisa megna lmegna titan ucc umass edu
sci.med	msg sensit superstit articl annick cortex physiol annick cortex physiol annick ansselin write nfdg sdf lonestar org marco sdf lonestar org steve giammarco write and add fuel flame war read year ago that natur msg extract sourc you mention not report aftereffect that nasti artifici msg extract coal tar that chines restaur syndrom find thi pretti hard heard msg mono sodium glutam fairli straight forward compound pure sourc not problem your comment suggest that impur experi msg effect part doubl blind studi that pure stuff caus sever effect possibl incorrect assumpt that msg food made process sugar beet thi not true sourc msg soya bean ferment chees mushroom msg folx react sometim strongli msg react strongli sodium chlorid tabl salt excess each symptom for common rapid heartbeat and uncomfort feel pressur chest upper left quadrant symptom had numb jaw muscl instanc arm leg headach lethargi and unabl awak affect peopl differ msg made kind plant call tapioca and not staff you mentiond
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sci.med	acutan fibromyalgia syndrom and cf repli daniel princ calcom socal daniel princ person fido cf echo claim that cure cf take accutan claim that you treatment fibromyalgia syndrom you accutan treatment fibromyalgia syndrom you us for cf work equal for cf anoth hint that facet underli process you good result benefit evid dai start patient for work continu low dose amitriptylin daili aerob excersis and regular sleep schedul current standard therapi cost depend dose and potenti for signific side effect corneal injuri and birth defect reserv for fail convent treatment import that person prescrib experi and follow patient close you awar doubl blind studi us accutan condit you advanc for repli person duff and finish write case report not academ physician don feel pressur publish perish and don time work dai for such thing david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel
sci.med	good grief candida albican repli aldridg netcom jacquelin aldridg medicin not total scientif endevour acquisit scientif knowledg complet scientif applic that knowledg individu case art scienc diseas that haven describ and root diseas describ aren read book gastroenterolog you want lot scientif method run patient freedom choic experiment method choos and recogn doctor that medicin doesn answer don answer question reliabl mean acquir medic knowledg scientif method proven reliabl reason altern therapi shun physician that practition refus submit theori rigor scientif scrutini insist that tradit anecdot evid suffici shown time past unreli wai acquir reliabl knowledg crook idea never back scientif evid unwilling good scienc make rest doubt verac content david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau clair thi patent absurd wish becom philosoph learn not frighten absurd bertrand russel
sci.med	burzynski antineoplaston articl jschwimmer wccnet wcc wesleyan edu jschwimmer wccnet wcc wesleyan edu josh schwimmer write recent listen tape stanislaw burzynski claim discov seri natur occur peptid anti cancer properti that name antineoplaston burzynski that work met hostil unit state despit favor respons subject clinic trial gener accept opinion burzynski research paint lone research breakthrough battl intoler medic establish basi judg claim two week ago read that nih depart altern medicin decid focu attent burzynski work budget small that imagin wouldn investig treatment that didn promis opinion burzynski antineoplaston inform current statu research appreci joshua schwimmer jschwimmer eagl wesleyan edu extens discuss compuserv cancer forum burzynski treatment result decis forum member father undertak treatment for brain glioblastoma thi diseas univers and rapidli fatal diagnosi june tumor grow rapidli despit radiat and chemotherapi forum member check extens burzynki track record for thi diseas spoke patient complet remiss for year glioblastoma thi treatment and nci oncologist had audit such case histori and found valid and impress forum member father began burzynski treatment septemb subsequ scan perform auspic oncologist chicago shown tumor growth sign shrinkag necrosi patient oncologist tell not live past decemb vehement oppos burzynski treatment sinc tumor stop rapid growth burzynski treatment sinc chang attitud continu treatment ain broke don fix burzynski research background found protein that low serum level cancer patient synthes and administ patient cancer type understand actual mechan activ david scheim bitnet internet desl helix nih gov phone compuserv fax disclaim comment offer share knowledg base person view not repres posit employ
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sci.med	select placebo levin bbn joel levin write john badan wrote ron you proper channel glad caught your ey that purpos thi forum educ eager learn fact life that phrase us bridl frenzi respond feel left proper author consult that topic short mean absolut noth apt descript content ron roth post date entertain diminish that easi for you you sit back soak your patient and brag your colleagu that incred success rate you sudden ron roseread for real spong cake borrow ingredi rosemail usenet rose media hamilton
sci.med	hisman side effect articl apr spdcc dyer spdcc steve dyer write articl apr lrc edu kjiv lrc edu write can whether not medic link rapid excess weight gain and distort sens tast smell hisman azmacort topic steroid prevent asthma vancenas hisman astemizol link weight gain peculiar that antihistamin thi effect and even antihistamin astemizol purportedli doesn cross blood brain barrier and not drowsi antihistamin can weight gain find don doctor asleep wheel origin poster mention fatigu had that due bizarr dream wasn get rest doctor that common reaction astemizol doesn cross blood brain barrier that side effect idea sheryl coppeng sea comput facil staff sheryl sea gwu edu georg washington univers
sci.med	msg sensit superstit smjeff lerc lerc nasa gov jeff miller write even properli control studi doubl blind studi almost useless you prove that not affect and articl qnn agat berkelei edu spp zabriski berkelei edu steve pope write mass anectdot evid combin lack properli construct scientif experi disprov hypothesi make msg reaction hypothesi like explan for event good grief heard biostatist univers washington harvard unc depart and advanc degre program biostatist wife biostat and plenti md phd and postdoc biostatist work peopl thi for live bright peopl studi for decad thi sort studi anecedot evid worthless even doctor drug treatment for year and swear effect supris result clinic trial whether not msg describ report document symptom pretti simpl discov last studi wife work emploi nurs doctor and dozen univers and hospit nation msg question settl lowli biostat student thesi bruce
sci.med	krillean photographi live thing maintain small electr field enhanc chemic reaction promot commun state cell commun cell nervou system special exampl and perhap electr field chang locat and time larg organ special photograph techniqu such appli extern field kirillian photographi interact field resist caus field make interest pictur perhap such pictur will diagonist diseas problem organ understood perhap not studi electr activ biolog system hundr year not popular activ perhap case tissu nerv and electr sens fish hard reduc investig into small piec that can analyz hint that manipul electr field therapi such speed heal broken bone not understood bioelectr long associ mystic idea such frankenstein reanim back earli electr experi tissu such volta invent batteri person don care revert supernatur explain thing don understand
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sci.med	thrush good grief candida albican articl apr ucsvax sdsu edu mccurdi ucsvax sdsu edu mccurdi write dentist see fair amount thrush recommend acidophil began take acidophil daili basi outbreak ceas quit take acidophil outbreak period resum resum take acidophil outbreak sinc thi second post blur distinct real diseas caus candida albican and diseas that ask system yeast syndrom question that candida albican thrush case that activ yogurt cultur acidophil reduc recurr thrush for vagin thrush never heard take for oral thrush work mechan candida common minor pathogen and common major pathogen that not mean that evid that system yeast syndrom david rind rind enterpris bih harvard edu
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sci.med	get aid acupunctur needl articl euu agat berkelei edu romda uclink berkelei edu ella baff write wrote express concern get aid acupunctur needl your friend share fluid acupuncturist aid not imposs will aid acupunctur needl gener even accid inocul normal immun respons effect handl minim contamin involv acupunctur needl insert isn thi hiv normal immun respons exposur acupuncturist us dispos needl us onc and throw had electr puls nerv test back needl dirti drawer instrument cart and not steril even clean for that matter like fresh previou patient concern mouth shut rais hell comment excus
sci.med	food relat seizur articl edu dozonoff edu david ozonoff write path new larc nasa gov darwin sura net zaphod mp ohio state edu uwm edu linac att edu dozonoff dozonoff edu david ozonoff newsgroup sci med date apr gmt refer paulson apr cmb larc nasa gov sender new edu line newsread tin sharon paulson paulson tab larc nasa gov wrote delet fact that thi happen eat two sugar coat cereal made kellog make allerg reaction coat cereal famili kathryn show sign hai fever run nose itchi ey etc lot allergi famili histori includ weird food allergi nut mushroom cereal corn base your post look literatur and locat two articl that implic corn contain tryptophan and seizur idea that corn diet potenti exist latent seizur disord not check two kellog cereal corn base interest david ozonoff mph boston univers school public health dozonoff med itvax edu east concord boston coupl folk suggest corn connect month period two seizur daughter had eaten fair amount kix and berri berri kix morn and never had problem check label and ingredi corn never had problem eat corn corn cob that dai full stomach absorpt not high that frost flake corn will check fruit loop fact that eaten thi corni cereal morn make for check into thi inform thi point valuabl sharon sharon paulson paulson larc nasa gov nasa langlei research center bldg mailstop work hampton virginia home
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sci.med	diagnos lyme gordon bank geb pitt edu wrote articl apr lehigh edu mcg lehigh edu marc gabriel write not that cultur diagnos hard cultur case point that develop feel for and isn thi come year experi serolog can match that call quack and accus make quick buck you call quack quack don cultur poo poo lab test thi lyme time lab test aren accur treat practic almost exclus devot treat lyme patient don orthoped surgeon fit thi pattern gp not exclus treat patient part countri you don specialist larg number patient walk your offic huge problem underdiagnosi orthopedist encount late manifest diseas dai regular practic told that last year and patient week specialist and not orthopedist town that peopl per week that mean minimum peopl town and area develop late stage manifest year add folk diagnos neurologist rheumatologist gp etc and you can kind problem town person patient refer patient specialist extrem case put patient medic immedi minim damag case knee gordon correct state that specialist gp marc marc gabriel box lehigh univers
sci.med	hisman side effect articl apr sea gwu edu sheryl sea gwu edu sheryl coppeng write articl apr spdcc dyer spdcc steve dyer write hisman astemizol link weight gain peculiar that antihistamin thi effect and even antihistamin astemizol purportedli doesn cross blood brain barrier and not drowsi origin poster mention fatigu had that due bizarr dream wasn get rest doctor that common reaction astemizol doesn cross blood brain barrier that side effect idea made bitchi for week that bizarr dream doctor made feel had time you take week symptom hang and
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structur predict ioerger rendel surbramaniam protein secondari structur model probabilist network delcher kasif goldberg hsu lunch protein secondari structur two level case base reason leng buchanan nichola automat deriv substructur yield structur build block globular protein zhang fetrow renni waltz berg dirichlet mixtur prior deriv hidden markov model for protein famili brown hughei krogh mian sjoland haussler break protein classif neural network ferran pflugfeld ferrara neural network for molecular sequenc classif berri fung mclarti computation effici cluster represent molecular sequenc megaclassif state harri hunter poster setup recept poster session thursdai juli continent breakfast invit talk larg scale dna sequenc tale mice and men prof leroi hood univers washington break pattern recognit for autom dna sequenc line signal condit and featur extract for basecal bolden iii torgersen tibbett genet algorithm for sequenc assembl parson forrest burk partial digest approach restrict 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sci.med	accupunctur and aid articl new cso uiuc edu euclid mrcnext cso uiuc edu euclid write aliceb tea two eng sun alic taylor write friend mine acupuncturist and danger get aid needl practition whether pre steril dispos needl reus needl steril us case conceiv aid needl case highli practition us dispos varieti illeg perform acupunctur unsteril needl licens practition dare thi not singl document case transmiss aid acupunctur needl wouldn worri robert greenstein fool cannot learn laugh think green srilanka island that laughter show superior latent idioci corelli
sci.med	diet for crohn ibd friend appar fairli minor case crohn diseas can eat food such fresh veget discomfort and avoid recurr question nutritionist special problem peopl crohn diseas suggest lipoxygnas inhibitor tea and turmer advanc john eyl jge unc edu
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infrar camera multi object spectromet hst upgrad nim infrar map spectromet galileo nir infrar nist nation institut for standard and technolog nb nldp nation launch develop program noaa nation ocean and atmospher administr noao nation optic astronomi observatori nrao nation radio astronomi observatori nro nation reconnaiss offic neutron star nsa nation secur agenc nsf nation scienc foundat nso nation solar observatori nssdc nation space scienc data center ntr nuclear thermal rocket ntt technolog telescop oao orbit astronom observatori ocst offic commerci space transport omb offic manag and budget om orbit maneuv system opf orbit process facil orfeu orbit and retriev and extrem ultraviolet spectromet osc orbit scienc corpor oscar orbit satellit carri amateur radio ossa offic space scienc and applic oss orient scintil spectromet experi cgro ota optic telescop assembl hst othb horizon backscatt otv orbit transfer vehicl orbit vehicl pam payload assist modul pam payload assist modul delta class princip investig plss portabl life support system pressur modul pmc perman man capabl pmirr pressur modul infrar radiomet mar observ pmt photomultipli tube psf point spread function psr pulsar photovolta pvo pioneer venu orbit qso quasi stellar object rci rodent cage interfac for sl mission rc reaction control system rem rat enclosur modul for sl mission radio frequenc rfi radio frequenc interfer riac research institut for advanc comput scienc rm remot manipul system rngc revis gener catalog rosat roentgen satellit rou rodent unusu size don exist rsn real rtg radioisotop thermoelectr gener rtl return launch site shuttl abort plan saa south atlant anomali saga solar arrai gain augment for hst sampex solar anomal and magnetospher particl explor sao smithsonian astrophys observatori sar search and rescu sar synthet apertur radar sara satellit pour astronomi radio amateur sarex search and rescu exercis sarex shuttl amateur radio experi sa space activ suit sa space adapt syndrom sat synthet apertur telescop spacecraft sca shuttl carrier aircraft sct schmidt cassegrain telescop sdi strateg defens initi sdio strateg defens initi organ sei space explor initi sest swedish eso submillimet telescop seti search for extraterrestri intellig sid sudden ionospher disturb sir shuttl imag radar sirtf space shuttl infrar telescop facil spacelab slar side airborn radar slc space launch complex sl space lab life scienc smc small magellan cloud sme solar mesospher explor smex small explor smm solar maximum mission supernova snr signal nois ratio snr supernova remnant snu solar neutrino unit sofia stratospher observatori for infrar astronomi soho solar heliospher observatori span space physic and analysi network spdm special purpos dextrou manipul spot system probatoir pour observ terr sp solar power satellit srb solid rocket booster srm solid rocket motor ssf space station fred freedom ssi solid state imag galileo ssi space studi institut ssme space shuttl main engin sspf space station process facil ssrm space station remot manipul system sst spectroscop survei telescop sst superson transport ssto singl stage orbit sti space telescop imag spectromet replac foc and ghr st shuttl transport system space transport system stsci space telescop scienc institut swa submillimet wave astronomi satellit swf shortwav fade tal transatlant abort land shuttl abort plan tau thousand astronom unit mission tc thermal control system tdr track and data relai satellit tdrss track and data relai satellit system te thermal emiss spectromet mar observ tiro televis infrar observ satellit tla letter acronym tom total ozon map spectromet tp thermal protect system tss tether satellit system uar upper atmospher research satellit ubm unpressur berth mechan udmh unsymmetr dimethyl hydrazin ufo unidentifi fly object ugc uppsala gener catalog uhf ultra high frequenc uit ultraviolet imag telescop astro packag ukst unit kingdom schmidt telescop usaf unit state air forc usmp unit state micrograv payload univers time gmt utc zulu time utc coordin univers time ultraviolet uv ultraviolet spectromet vab vehicl assembl build vertic assembl build vafb vandenberg air forc base veega venu earth earth graviti assist galileo flight path vhf high frequenc vla larg arrai vlba long baselin arrai vlbi long baselin interferometri vlf low frequenc vlt larg telescop vm vertic motion simul voir venu orbit imag radar supersed vrm vpf vertic process facil vrm venu radar mapper call magellan white dwarf wfpc wide field planetari camera hst wfpcii replac for wfpc wiyn wisconsin indiana yale noao telescop wsmr white sand missil rang wtr western test rang wupp wisconsin ultraviolet photopolarimt experi astro packag xmm rai multi mirror xuv extrem ultraviolet yso young stellar object usr bin perl alt acronym scrambl program larri wall threshold srand kei acro kei word split unshift word kei foreach word word word vec word foreach letter letter kei threshold egrep letter usr dict word chop 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sci.space	hlv for fred prefab space station articl gzx new cso uiuc edu jbh uxa cso uiuc edu josh hopkin write titan launch ain cheap grant that titan bought governemnt titan iii cheapest put pound space expend launcher that case iron that poorli commerci market singl titan iii order problem commerci titan that made attempt market basic happi govern busi and don want learn sell commerci secondari problem that bit big multi satellit launch arian and that complic market task quit significantli had problem launch facil wrong time start properli memori serv pad us for mar observ launch had come heavi refurbish work that had prevent launch for year launch mar observ that strand intelsat and brother that reach orbit properli work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	space research spin articl zxa zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write articl ppm access digex net prb access digex pat write thought area rule pioneer boe nasa gui develop rule knew work boe built hardwar and nope decis triumph area rule convair contractu commmit mach fighter and found incap superson level flight turn into area rule met spec thi flew late and convair spent half figur wrong and second half build work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri good thing stuck coupl question mark recal built propos wasp waisetd passeng civil transport thought had funni passeng compart hand save fuel thought area rule appli even transon speed not badli pat
sci.space	orbit data need oscul element perige orbit convert prefer distanc earth evenli space time interv gsm coordin system prefer convert system pascal fortran code you can point book that great line file sma semi major axi ecc eccentr inc inclin omg ascend node pom argument pericentr tra true anomali hap apocentr height hpe pericentr height beg sma ecc inc omg pom tra hap hpe ref sma ecc inc omg pom tra hap hpe advanc larri kepko lkepko igpp ucla edu
sci.space	nuclear wast articl rin ryukoku will rin ryukoku william reiken write real reason acceler breeder inciner not built that isn reason natur uranium cheap and geolog dispos actinid technic reason novemb decemb page scienc and technolog japan seawat uranium recoveri experi ground uranium reserv estim million ton and anticip that demand and suppli balanc will collaps end centuri japan resourc poor countri technolog develop econom collect uranium dissolv seawat total quaniti uranium dissolv seawat estim billion ton huge amount compar ground uranium reserv hate pour cold water thi seawat extract uranium even improv fiber absorb japan time expens uranium spot market uranium cheap mine close can compet place cigar lake canada or rich present safeti hazard mine work shield vehicl plenti sourc for exampl uranium phosphat process come line uranium reach demand and suppli balanc will collaps nonsens suppli and demand balanc price uranium increas price factor end centuri not bloodi like nuclear reactor not built suffici rate uranium seawat interest long term project project that japanes justifi ground suffici paul dietz dietz rochest edu
sci.space	nasa di incent question and issu wrt congress rais and discuss denni repli black white white that black call white monei put into system studi find justifi call black white appar that white call black opposit occur white color white call black call into question valid color spectrum that nasa militari compet different black white rememb black and white paint saturn rocket that noth will occur black and white us congress care noth for result monei for pork barrel job brought black white controversi denni you thing black and white term tommi mac tom mcwilliam radiu vision increas ibm msu edu circumfer mysteri grow
sci.space	alaska pipelin and space station articl apr mksol dseg mccall mksol dseg fred mccall write thi great build current spend rule don permit workabl for thi work for govern guarante minimum amount busi order suffici reduc risk make thi attract privat firm sinc gener can alloc monei year time govern can provid such tenant guarante fred read bit govern lot multi year contract penalti for cancel claus damn sign multi year contract reason aren cut defens spend reagan administr sign multi year contract that cheaper finish ssf thi year fund billion will cover penalti claus due design pat
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sci.space	vulcan not gui ear victor inqmind bison victor lake write info appar sight vulcan that that appar two sight drastic time small planet that insid mercuri orbit that info specif thi happen long star trek and appar refer for gui ear long star trek einstein fact vulcan planet insid mercuri hypothes explain perturb mercuri orbit that not explain planet einstein theori rel explain mercuri motion and analysi mercuri motion show not planet insid orbit mike
sci.space	griffin offic explor rip comment absorbt offic explor into offic space scienc and reassign griffin chief engin posit thi meaningless administr shuffl thi bode ill for sei opinion thi bad thing surfac griffin interest get thing and will innov approach get thing faster and cheaper unclear whether will thi posit duti will brian yamauchi case western reserv univers yamauchi alpha ce cwru edu depart comput engin and scienc
sci.space	fund for nasa polit scienc paper fund nasa and pork barrel polit interest inform fund practic and histori major program apollo st ssf etc and fund ssto contrast recommend sourc that you sean gallagh galla rpi edu
sci.space	alaska pipelin and space station date apr gmt ralph buttigieg ralph buttigieg fido zeta org write can govern tennant privat commerci concern build space station system and charg rent govern financ research want us that thi thought industri space facil don rememb detail space servic want nasa sign anchor tenanc deal order secur ventur capit nasa didn deal hear wrong disclaim opinion state sole chang mind ben muniz munizb rwtm decnet consrt rockwel space station freedom rocketdyn rockwel structur load and dynam man will not fly for fifti year wilbur orvil wright
sci.space	long island us khz for ssf power date fri apr gmt edmund hack arabia hack write articl pgdno access digex net prb access digex pat write thought fighter plant long island northrup plant long island don northrup had plant long island two main airfram manufactur fairchild republ close door cancel and grumman hang last time call sperri start you area check cradl aviat museum mitchel field park lot nassau coliseum and commun colleg good displai vehicl long island includ lem flight articl disclaim opinion state sole chang mind ben muniz munizb rwtm decnet consrt rockwel space station freedom rocketdyn rockwel structur load and dynam man will not fly for fifti year wilbur orvil wright
sci.space	ignit ssme date sat apr gmt paul dietz dietz rochest edu write essenc hold match nozzl nut thing you absolut such engin guarante that propel ignit mix millisecond fill your engin high explos mixtur final ignit blow hell report earli test conduct rocketdyn santa susanna field lab hill san fernando and simi vallei result hung start describ structur failur combust chamber inspect pictur show pump noth below had vapor thi describ class typic engin understat disclaim opinion state sole chang mind ben muniz munizb rwtm decnet consrt rockwel space station freedom rocketdyn rockwel structur load and dynam man will not fly for fifti year wilbur orvil wright
sci.space	vulcan not gui ear articl vnci inqmind bison victor inqmind bison victor lake write victor inqmind bison victor lake subject vulcan not gui ear date sun apr cdt info appar sight vulcan that that appar two sight drastic time small planet that insid mercuri orbit that info specif heard stori albert theori rel and warp space account for mercuri orbit ran fast for simpl newtonian physic success find neptun explain odd movment uranu postul that anoth planet explain mercuri orbit bigger asteroid closer sun mercuri spot perhap profession can confirm that jame green jgreen obo calpoli edu heaven place wick ceas troubl you talk person affair and good listen attent you expound your ambros bierc devil dictionari
sci.space	comet temporari orbit jupit shag aero org rob unverzagt write articl apr kelvin jpl nasa gov baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov ron baalk write iau circular comet shoemak levi temporarili orbit jupit comet had appar made close flybi jupit result breakup comet attempt determin comet orbit complic imposs measur comet center mass miss know comet center mass for you orbit determin shag not almost sound can figur nucleu coma coupl hundr mile you can imagin rest phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man
sci.space	blow space station easi thi real wierd idea not peopl blown ballon sprai materi into that dry and make hard wall not thing for space station fly dock ring and baloon materi and such blow baloon spin problem micro graviti dry cure harden and cut hole for dock attach ring and bingo space station ballon foil cover someoth radiat protect cover heat shield and materi us make wal meet gase and spec atleast paint cover wall human safe special congret materi make caplet instea dof water put beer caplet mixtur mix that strong congret easier carri and such for spell error miss school todai grin musta space station difficult girder confin earth base idea let idea space not earth limit earth base idea michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack crazi nome alaska break
sci.space	supernova bout info that alleg supernova break scope for thi sir don hors dan kelo dkelo pepvax pepperdin edu
sci.space	ussr had reach moon suppos soviet had manag moon rocket work and had made beaten rocket hadn blown pad set back and saturn boom had beaten specul that head and land determin set base earth orbit and moon whether not mar depend whether soviet set lunar base stretch budget nation and that militari lunar base outweigh mar short run concentr moon jame green jgreen obo calpoli edu that thi nation commit achiev goal thi decad land man moon and return safe earth john kennedi
sci.space	portabl small ground station dir articl zgam zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write difficult set your ground station ground station for extrem amateur radio satellit sometim reachabl hand held radio noth you can your back yard will you listen galileo specif work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri specif basic thing big dadi can monitor and control shuttl such australia and such michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	space research spin shafer rigel dfrf nasa gov mari shafer write apr prb access digex pat pat articl apr aurora alaska edu pat nsmca aurora alaska edu write question can give exampl direct nasa space relat research that help human gener will interest pat tang mylar push tech pat composit for airfram fly wire swept wing you fly airlin you reap benefit didn earli jet fighter german work wwii winglet area rule digit fly wire ride smooth lot thi militari microwav land system supercrit wing gener aviat air foil weren microwav land system wwii mari shafer dod kotfr nasa dryden flight research facil edward shafer rigel dfrf nasa gov don speak for nasa mig your six mig unknown fighter pilot egad disagre mari shafer phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man
sci.space	griffin offic explor rip yamauchi ce cwru edu brian yamauchi write comment absorbt offic explor into offic space scienc and reassign griffin chief engin posit thi meaningless administr shuffl thi bode ill for sei opinion thi bad thing surfac griffin interest get thing and will innov approach get thing faster and cheaper unclear whether will thi posit duti will heard offhand griffin longer offic head that bad hand regress can fund griffin that mean and li hardlin billion mar mission prove that bui into mission mar that cost billion will artemi million dollar lunar orbit cetera kill griffin main program simpli sycoph had congress beleivin that simpli bui into stuff sorta not give aid yeltsin communist hardlin sort reform griffin bring forward won trap easili contain and defund ghetto that griffin stai capac good and bring can don you back os you belong and couldn even monei for design studi phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man
sci.space	vehicl near flight test articl zhkw zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write articl snap paj gec mrc paul johnson write thi bit interest automat control pure autonom degre ground control stick and rudder man onboard comput comput get order store program can overridden ground transit aerodynam flight that hover accomplish thi part tricki part idea and will end thi talk mitch burnsid clapp test pilot make orbit pop drogu chute nose light engin onc thing stabil base simpl and reliabl heavi shock load area structur that doesn carri major load door hot part structur door oper mission critic switch pitch stabil aerodynam unstabl subson speed wait for flip and catch degre light engin bit scari light engin and us thrust vector push tail prefer method long run tricki fuel feed plumb fuel will start top tank slop bottom flip keep engin properli fed will complic build speed dive pull hard lose lot speed thi thing not that great head and vertic veloc drop point start fall tail light engin bit scari and you don altitud left work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri sinc horizont not land that martian land thing miss don and such overli obviou not fall earth russian craft parachut michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack enlighten ignor easi correct make mistak and will you you mess
sci.space	alaska pipelin and space station commer sound liek fed sign year leas us part space station that built and design and such commer compani consortium compani such alyeska for small amount rent return for incent and such such tax and and monopoli product commer builder perk make end easier tax contract regulatori conces and such workabl work china can leas hong kong and peopl hong kong can make monei thi work michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	terraform venu can cheapli send jame oberg email address and read thi list want send comment terraform book paul dietz dietz rochest edu potenti explos yield annual global product borax million megaton
sci.space	mach land site base superson boom hear month ago beliv san fran head east heard super speed mach aircraft militari base int direct flight that handl mach aircraft land decent odd question michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	nuclear wast articl mar mksol dseg mccall mksol dseg fred mccall write bit phil don reprocess nuclear fuel you reprocess plant bomb grade plutonium cheaper current price thing simpli fabric fuel rod reprocess creat potenti danger materi nation secur point view and fabric that back into fuel rod fabric reprocess plutonium result that kind boom decent bomb grade plutonium you want bomb grade plutonium us research reactor not power reactor you want bomb don us plutonium us uranium kenneth repli ken ei njit edu for thi elabor simul run devic sit tabl picard tng
sci.space	griffin offic explor rip yamauchi ce cwru edu brian yamauchi write comment absorbt offic explor into offic space scienc and reassign griffin chief engin posit thi meaningless administr shuffl thi bode ill for sei thing bode ill that legitim conjug for offic explor had great idea never monei heard good thing griffin hard want back job couldn duti will group examin freedom base space station redesign propos head michael griffin nasa cheif engin word space new thi josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu tout homm est capabl imagin autr homm seront capabl realis jule vern
sci.space	vehicl near flight test nsmca aurora alaska edu write excel discuss land techniqu henri delet sinc horizont not land that will not horizont take vertic martian land thing for reason vertic land don requir mile runwai and limit nois pollut don requir wheel wing turn engin and touch henri point vetic land aren quit that simpl miss don and such overli obviou blunt you learn not fall earth russian craft parachut soyuz vehicl us parachut for descent and fire small rocket hit ground parachut not practic you want reus effort land not comfort word georgi grechko prefer bruis not sink josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu tout homm est capabl imagin autr homm seront capabl realis jule vern
sci.space	space food stick had spacefood stick morn for breakfast and second grade chocol strawberri and peanut butter and cylind long and diamet wrap yellow space foil space foil time tast hard describ rememb fondli candi modern power bar sort toffe inject vitamin chocol power bar rough approxim tast strawberri suck man gavin helf berkelei polit scienc berkelei stanford program soviet studi ghelf violet berkelei edu
sci.space	area rule space research spin can elabor area rule gather aerodynam tran sonic plane and can summaris coke bottl good coke can bad provid detail deriv etc gregori bond gnb bby burdett buckeridg young melbourn australia knox slick fox sox knox box knox box quick plai lot lsl sick apolog john iron bar mackin
sci.space	comet temporari orbit jupit baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov ron baalk write iau circular comet shoemak levi temporarili orbit jupit comet had appar made close flybi jupit result breakup comet ooooh thought that galileo chanc check comet
sci.space	idiot articl jsc nasa gov mcelwr cnsvax uwec edu mcelwain write russia oper march russian presid bori yeltsin propos unit state and unit nation global defens shield star war type weapon funni bit disturb forg post somewhat uneth even subject notori mcelwain followup not sci space david rickel drickel sjc mentorg
sci.space	magellan venu map ron and peter for nice map advic you wrote that map reduc color understand jpeg pictur get and compress file smaller you us origin color bit data convert jpeg roland karlsson sic box kista sweden internet roland sic tel fax telex sic ttx sic
sci.space	ssf redesign constel ssf for redesign thi time step back and function want micrograv vacuum process research life scienc research adapt space spacecraft mainten nasa approach explifi shuttl and ssf central function project fail meet target wide margin militari and commerci user payload shuttl wast effort tie payload and ssf crumbl into disorgan and miscommun billion spent two project reduct launch cost and littel improv commerci space industri meanwhil militari and commerci user come superior strategi for space develop constel firstli function broken into constel optim orbit for each function gp navstar constel hour orbit comsat clark and molniya orbit etc secondli task distribut spacecraft constel provid for redund and full coverag need ssf main function requir quit environ and prime candid for constel make micrograv constel comet and mir for long durat flight shuttl spacelab for short durat flight strategi for thi area inexpens increment improv instal facil mir shuttl mir linkup and transit shuttl spacelab expens ssto spacehab comet ssto sif comet expand research program advantag interest space environ high radiat van allen belt ga plasma gradient comet tail comet system can easili retrofit for task station larg afford launch leo studi life scienc not micrograv lunar and martian graviti and radiat environ deep space protect shelter leo thi long term low prioriti project sinc astronaut will practic us space program cost come order magnitud astronaut sever restrict scope investig and sampl size propos labratsat constel tether bolo satellit that test level graviti super van allen belt orbit that repres radiat environ encount earth moon earth mar earth asteroid etc trip miniatur life support machineri oper real time earth interfac orbit mission flown follow on can act ldef lunar and martian surfac test actual environ low cost billion spent astronaut largest market for spacecraft servic clark orbit propos fleet small teleoper robot and small test satellit ground engin can practic skill onc place robot can pry stuck solar arrai and antenna attach solar batteri power pack inject fuel etc onc fleet work can spun commerci compani can work comsat compani develop comsat replac modul standard appli success constel strategi and get rid fail central strategi st and ssf radic improv capabl program greatli cut cost for fraction ssf pricetag can fix satellit satellit can studi life adapt larg repres varieti space environ and can micrograv and vacuum research inexpens and need special purpos orbit can appli constel strategi space explor greatli cut cost and increas function mar network and artemi two good exampl thi ambiti can set network nativ propel plant mar that can us fuel planet wide rover ballist hopper prospect and sampl return descend labratsat technolog can us mar surfac ldef and test close ecolog greenhous mar low cost nick szabo szabo techboook
sci.space	quaint archaism articl cmu edu nickh cmu edu nick hain write and advantag that you don shit constant hang you stupid thing and and and and and metric system problem not david rickel drickel sjc mentorg
sci.space	area rule read refer parabol cross section rule idea that you plot area fuselag cross section function point fore and aft fuselag plot that paraboloid minim somethin nother technic fred baub time intellectu ferment baub optiplan advantag intellect includ disclaim ferment pari retrospect time
sci.space	hlv for fred prefab space station articl gzx new cso uiuc edu jbh uxa cso uiuc edu josh hopkin write titan iii cheapest launcher basi that case iron that poorli commerci market singl titan iii order problem biggest technic problem find two satellit rough orbit for luanch don show interest commerci launch monei made churn titan for govern isn dai you find sucker custom think pai time commerci rate for launch servic good idea allen allen sherzer great man noth leav aw iti org noth undon dai flight dcx
sci.space	alaska pipelin and space station articl apr mksol dseg mccall mksol dseg fred mccall write can govern tennant thi great build current spend rule don permit workabl that longer true last year congress ammend law provid need note that spacehab and comet fund thi problem aren legal technic problem nasa cultur allen allen sherzer great man noth leav aw iti org noth undon dai flight dcx
sci.space	space food stick john elson jelson rcnext cso uiuc edu wrote heard food product call space food stick rememb aw thing dry and crumbl and recal ask grade teacher miss francisco crumb float had clue not todai space program apollo technolog forgotten ken jenk nasa jsc space shuttl program offic kjenk gothamc jsc nasa gov men planet earth set foot moon juli peac for mankind
sci.space	metric english apr pixel kodak ekcolor ssd kodak dave jone write keith mancu mancu sweetpea jsc nasa gov wrote bruce dunn mindlink bruce dunn write neatli separ concept mass forc and weight horribl tangl system thi not problem english unit pound defin unit forc period perfectli good unit call slug mass object weigh lb sea level sec american militari english unit perhap real english type onc taught that pound mass and poundal forc that forc that pound acceler had rare old tyme exam unit and metric american perhap noth militari learn slug talk english unit high school physic and teacher navi fighter jock book wasn produc militari poundal flink small and made math come funni sort reason propon give for that insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
sci.space	market gov failur tcl cmu edu msu edu tom write fred that gov coerciv poser for space program repli btw fred you cross border sinc you admit that idea you support can carri coerciv power that intoler yer high hors toler fred repli tommi admit that such thing market failur necessit intervent capitalist forc correct guess your understand thi market failur classifi phil econom level centuri medicin sinc you appar complet that thi market failur can easili even easili attribut govern intervent failur addit strong moral argument you propos strong utilitarian argument that gov destruct wealth confiscastori taxat and redistribut major scale made signific privat capit invest harder make note that you make such case you claim can even easili made argument can and made that current govern polici creat even larger market barrier place such term govern failur sinc govern can chang polici whenev pleas market doesn that and govern rel understood forc thi libertopican bilg moral argument taxat etc bottom simplist econom think can justifi clich deris econom libertopian invari happen tripe tommi libertopian dish clue boi and salv your wound pride not you infal fashion not interest your ego game puh lees fred thi simpli attempt insult belong privat mail ego game unimportatnt you insult and thi strang neg attatch for wherev you thi inflat idea your import insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
sci.space	ussr had reach moon jgreen trumpet calpoli edu jame thoma green write had beaten specul that head and land determin set base earth orbit and moon whether not mar depend whether soviet set lunar base stretch budget nation and that militari lunar base outweigh mar short run concentr moon great specul rememb proud behalf free world you that you year that had almost that work that guess soviet victori and almost not fallen victim complac that overtook program perhap stretch match effort destabil sooner fact and tradit marvel comic thi destabil brezhnev era trigger world war hmm giant leap internet pete extro accept uunet mcvax munnari extro pete reject noth
sci.space	nuclear wast apr rochest edu dietz rochest edu paul dietz write articl apr mksol dseg mccall mksol dseg fred mccall write thi system produc energi drive acceler perhap left high power quasi sharp proton beam requir thi appear achiev linear acceler biggest question mark lead target chemistri and line process element inciner paul quit frankli that thi work typic trash process put coupl ton end and rel clean materi end run residu power sound almost perpetu motion doesn fred honest thing admit your critic scientif ground invalid pretend you talk engin feasibl you post can surpris pardon for continu discuss tug forelock dismai not consid recov energi thi process energi curv put sackcloth and ash not and not pretend pleas you not surpris noth perpetu motion note that didn perpetu motion even that sound perpetu motion phrase sound almost perpetu motion somewhat propposit you elect critic perhap beg your pardon for precis us languag physic understood energi come fission actinid subcrit assembl folk talk spallat reactor sinc puls spallat neutron sourc us todai research tool acceler design improv superconduct acceler caviti help feasibl lo alamo expertis high current acceler lampf talk will that thi process come even close approach technolog and econom feasibl mix natur trash that will run oppos cost separ thing and run for each actinid dump ton end and pull rel clean materi onc cost technolog risk etc into account class thi idea throw wast into sun and physic understood reason approach and sort burn rate you thi oppos kind energi you recov oppos cost build and power and energi recoveri talk ounc pound ton gram kilogram metric ton for you fan materi and talk dai week month year dai week month year for you fan hmmm decim time scale real reason acceler breeder inciner not built that isn reason natur uranium cheap and geolog dispos actinid technic reason insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
sci.space	nuclear wast reinnonl phantom gatech edu matthew phantom gatech edu matthew deluca write articl rin ryukoku will rin ryukoku william reiken write thi pretti alot repli thi and oil earth greedi oil compani don give oil that leav high dry greedi oil compani don blame oil compani suppli demand creat you and planet run fault ignor thing organ becom significantli expens oil disappear and thing longer econom feasibl oil irreplac resourc consum suppli decreas price rise and altern becom competet that estim year reserv pretti long care petroleum current usag rate year reserv that not that last figur true tend not hard price compar cheap true hte oil crisi dai insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
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sci.space	dutch symposium compact objecten sterrenkundig symposium compact objecten april het jaar zeven jaar opricht van universiteit van utrecht benoemd universiteit haar eerst sterrenkundig waarnem hierme ontstond tweed universiteitssterrenwacht ter wereld aert jansz eerst waarnem zijn opvolg voerden utrechts sterrenkund daaropvolgend jaren decennia eeuwen naar voorhoed van het astronomisch onderzoek dit jaar het jaar geleden dat deze historisch benoem plaatsvond huidig generati utrechts sterrenkundigen studenten sterrenkund verenigd het sterrekundig instituut utrecht vieren benoem van hun oervad middel een breed scala aan feestelijk activiteiten voor scholieren een planetenproject programmeert studium general een aantal voordrachten met een sterrenkundig thema wordt di natali aan een astronoom een eredoctoraat uitgereikt staat echter meer stapel studenten natuur sterrenkund kunnen april aan een sterrenkundesymposium deelnemen onderwerpen van het symposium zijn opgebouwd rond een van zwaartepunten van het huidig utrechts onderzoek het onderzoek aan zogeheten compact objecten eindstadia evoluti van sterren bij samenstel van het programma getracht deelnem een aktueel breed mogelijk beeld geven van stand van zaken het onderzoek aan deze eindstadia eerst inleidend leze zal dagvoorzitt prof lamer een beknopt overzicht geven van evoluti van zware sterren waarna zeven overig spreker lezingen van telken een half uur nader specifiek evolutionair eindprodukten zullen ingaan afloop van elk leze gelegenheid tot het stellen van vragen het dagprogramma staat afgedrukt een apart vel het niveau van lezingen afgestemd tweedejaar studenten natuur sterrenkund ook ander belangstellenden zijn van hart welkom tijden leze van prof kuijper zullen al all go gaat veertien radioteleskopen van radiosterrenwacht westerbork worden ingezet een direct verbind tussen het heelal westerbork utrecht het zwakk radiosigna van een snel roterend kosmisch vuurtoren een zogeheten pulsar symposiumza door geven audiovisualiseren prof kuijper zal binnenkomend signalen elkaar snel opvolgend scherp gepiekt pulsen radiostr bespreken trachten verklaren het slagen van dit uniek experi staat valt met technisch haalbaarheid ervan vangen signalen zijn namelijk zwak dat pa een waarnemingsperiod van miljoen jaar genoeg energi opgevangen een lamp van watt een second laten branden tijden het symposium zal niet lang gewacht hoeven worden hedendaags technologi stelt on staat live het heelal beluisteren deelnam aan het symposium kost exclusief lunch inclusief lunch inschrijv geschiedt door het verschuldigd bedrag maken abn amro reken sticht ju het gironumm van abn amro bank utrecht bij inschrijv dient worden aangegeven men lid van nnv inschrijv wordt symposiummap toegestuurd bij inschrijv maart vervalt mogelijkheid een lunch reserveren het symposium vindt plaat transitorium universiteit utrecht voor meer informati het symposium kan men terecht bij henrik spoon sorbonnelaan utrecht tel mail henrik sron ruu dagprogramma ontvangst met koffi thee open prof lamer utrecht dubbelst evoluti prof lamer radiopulsar prof kuijper utrecht pulsar dubbelst systemen prof verbunt utrecht massa straal van neutronensterren prof van paradij amsterdam theori van accretieschijven dr van oss utrecht lunch hoe zien accretieschijven werkelijk uit rutten amsterdam snell fluktuati bij accreti neutronensterren zwart gaten van der kli amsterdam thee koffi zwart gaten knippen plakken met ruimt tijd prof ick leiden afsluit borrel gert jan van lochem fysisch informatica blue universiteit utrecht shape shape hhgg
sci.space	cosmo inform cosmo and rocket fragment purpos launch date locat short can you toni ryan astronomi space intern magazin astronomi ireland box dublin ireland issu year sub pound surfac add airmail access visa mastercard accept give number expir date name address world largest astro soc per capita you tel ireland eir cost per min
sci.space	comet temporari orbit jupit articl apr den mmc seal possum den mmc eric seal write baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov ron baalk write iau circular comet shoemak levi temporarili orbit jupit comet had appar made close flybi jupit result breakup comet ooooh thought that galileo chanc check comet comet gehrel discov determin temporari jovian orbit comet shoemak levi remain orbit jupit long galileo make closeup observ orbit trajectori for comet shoemak levi determin ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo cynic never help pasadena correct situat and aggrav
sci.space	summer internship folk not exactli thi place search for summer internship engin will graduat earli aerospac engin and pursu master thi fall that process applyi larger compani macdac martin marietta lockhe nyon you mail advanc mark smilor msmilor skat usc edu smilor aludra usc edu
sci.space	space food stick articl agat berkelei edu ghelf violet berkelei edu write had spacefood stick morn for breakfast and second grade chocol strawberri and peanut butter and cylind long and diamet wrap yellow space foil space foil time wasn plain flavor look kind extrud industri product food perfectli smooth cylind perfectli smooth end kinda scari tast hard describ rememb fondli candi modern power bar sort toffe inject vitamin chocol power bar rough approxim tast strawberri suck post describ microwav tootsi roll captur textur pretti for tast candi not sweet that make sens recal like for textur not tast guess develop textur bud man obligatori eat watch captain scarlet rememb that long topic space shag rob unverzagt shag aerospac aero org tuesdai soylent green dai unverzagt courier aero org
sci.space	nuclear wast articl reinnonl phantom gatech edu matthew phantom gatech edu matthew deluca write greedi oil compani don blame oil compani suppli demand creat you and planet run fault creation oil produc bacteria figur that you can make eat you can make shit comment will
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sci.space	space food stick articl new cso uiuc edu jelson rcnext cso uiuc edu john elson write heard food product call space food stick thi appar creat market time lunar expedit tang and dehydr food spoken peopl eaten and describ dehydr candi inform greatli appreci freez dri tootsi roll actual tast sensat noth you will willingli experi amaz thing that at second and and doubt that flew mission bad thing gastrointestin tract compar space food stick tang gastronom contribut mankind dillon pyron opinion express dseg lewisvil vax support sender state home god gave weather wouldn complain pyron skndiv dseg thing padi don tang flew develop contract
sci.space	push envelop apr princeton edu lije cognito princeton edu elijah millgram write friend mine and wonder express push envelop come aircraft flight constraint for speed aoa power graph defin flight envelop that aircraft name graph line enclos envelop area graph that repres condit aircraft doesn fall sky push envelop becom oper edg flight oper envelop note that envelop isn precis fli airplan region that point theoret predict thing test pilot for live push envelop find close correspond paper airplan and metal essenc push back edg theoret envelop airplan start fail fly note that thi quit calcul and care flight test gener carefulli coreograph and push and precis plan despit occasion deviat plan such earli flight high speed taxi test mari can you you want thi process and insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
sci.space	comet temporari orbit jupit comet helin roman crockett spent time temporari satellit jupit year ago you calcul tancredi lindgren and rickman astron astrophi mat lindgren mat lindgren astro astronom observatori laban box uppsala phone sweden fax
sci.space	abyss breath fluid articl grv psuvm psu edu callec dradja grv psuvm psu edu write bit nervou post thi beacaus begin strai fron topic space that doesn stop alot peopl thi talk breath high pressur began movi abyss you rememb that movi charact dove great depth wear suit that us fluid that carri oxegen oppos sort ga heard that mice can breath thi fluid for reason human unabl detail thi gregson vaux reason that lung diaphram get tire pump liquid and and simpli stop breath minut your vehicl readi not put you hold that rememb liquid time dens ga natur depend ga and liquid comparis acurist
sci.space	ussr had reach moon articl apr zeu calpoli edu jgreen trumpet calpoli edu jame thoma green write suppos soviet had manag moon rocket work and had made beaten rocket hadn blown pad set back and saturn boom apollo fire harsh saturn explos hurt soviet win crush that technolog turn point for turn todai can super power reserv attitud soviet program todai kennedi war east program stall badli and goal moon dead nasa figur wrong had beaten specul that head and land determin set base earth orbit and moon whether not mar depend whether soviet set lunar base stretch budget nation and that militari lunar base outweigh mar short run concentr moon speulat that saturn program push into cost run that evil nixon win shuttl never propos and skylab never built program stall fuel crisi string small launch mark mid seventi goal man moon dead and space program drift till present dai jame green jgreen obo calpoli edu that thi nation commit achiev goal thi decad land man moon and return safe earth john kennedi
sci.space	abyss breath fluid articl cck coventri enf cck coventri achurist write reason that lung diaphram get tire pump liquid and and simpli stop breath minut your vehicl readi not put you hold that rememb liquid time dens ga natur depend ga and liquid comparis you us sort mechan chest compress aid sorta portabl iron lung put sort flex tube aquanaut chest cyclic compress and will push chest wall support breath you trust your breather space you trust your suit pat
sci.space	push envelop apr princeton edu lije cognito princeton edu elijah millgram write friend mine and wonder express push envelop come everbodi defin envelop world envelop chosen shell boundari analog envelop airship perhap shell good push shell hard and aircraft break thoma clark institut for simul and train univers central research parkwai suit orlando fax clark acm ucf edu
sci.space	cosmo eorsat date tue apr gmt inform cosmo and rocket fragment purpos launch date locat short can you toni ryan astronomi space intern magazin ocean reconnaiss launch surpris west space new april excerpt russia launch ocean reconnaiss satellit month march confound western analyst had proclaim program dead itar tass new agenc announc launch cosmo plesetsk cosmodrom provid descript payload mission base satellit trajectori western observ identifi militari spacecraft design monitor electron emiss foreign naval ship order track movement geoff perri ketter group england western observ had conclud that launch dai last such satellit enter earth atmospher cosmo launch cosmo satellit launch for defens ministri moscow itar tass world servic russian gmt march translat fbi sov itar tass correspond veronika romanenkova moscow march cosmo satellit launch moscow time todai baykonur tsiklon carrier rocket itar tass correspond told press center russia space militari forc that satellit launch interest russian defens ministri paramet moscow itar tass world servic russian gmt march translat fbi sov moscow march anoth artifici earth satellit cosmo launch march baykonur cosmodrom satellit carri scientif apparatu for continu space research satellit orbit paramet initi period revolut minut apoge perige orbit inclin degre scientif apparatu satellit carri radio system for precis measur orbit element and radiotelemetri system for transmit earth data work instrument and scientif apparatu apparatu aboard satellit work
sci.space	aerospac compani cooper reusabl vehicl market you net land big martin mariatta boe mcdonel dougla gener dynam lockhe rockwel get togeth and form consortium studi exactli market price pint for build reusabl launch vehicl and spend million that recogn that militari requir for launch vehicl pull hat shuttl us that crossrang capabl you idea figur etc take thi data and form sematech type compani bad exampl exampl develop and craft design design and figur exactli technolog and demonstr technolog order elimin design that can built todai and let that thi portion fund gov cost million and compani separ wai intent take market data and design data wall street and want build thi vehicl and number that show roi fund you that thi joke good author that thi project shape background that aerospac compani learn that yell similar thing end program that noth and cancel nasp nl al dcy etc work japanees and european spirit initi cooper learn that design requir that phoni gener idea space vehicl end get chop congress not real requir feedback john
sci.space	ssto senatori aid breif recollect thought meet that hugh kelso and bob lilli had aid sen patti murrai discuss ssto and commerci space thi receiv packet contain present benifit ssto call and schedul meet local senat patti murrai washington state start ask for hour and heard gasp end phone quickli back hour that convers learn that standard appoint minut standard bozo treatment that call back aid schedul meet order determin that not bozo and familiar materi and screen make that senat time that materi alloc hour sen murrai aid and end talk for minut end meet and listen cover lot ground and tini bit dcx specif singl stage reusabl vehicl primer anoth woman copiu quantiti note topic that brought murrai want entrench ourselv corpor align not speak for boe local citizen interentest space spent lot time cover benifit lower cost access leo solar power satellit big focu hit feasibl lower cost access and hit environment stand that hit tourism angl and left copi patric collin tourism paper side note that into space and see atmospher becom environmentalist esp smog hit benifit studi bone decalcif pronounc space and that that had potenti lead understand and cure for osteoporosi hit educ kid enthus space older and find that havent hop hell get field low cost orbit chanc somedai provid greater incent hit harder class need hit nasa oper launch vehicl busi angl hit lower cost satellit launch gp navig person commun tellecommun servic etc job provid sector job provid build thing balanc trade improv etc mention that skypix benifit lower launch cost left paper technolog need invest order make thi even easier and ask question thi point end tell that want awar that effort proceed thi area and that want make that result effort not lost condor majellan and importantli ask that fund effort line lower cost leo middl gave speal lunar resourc data purchas act and gui file separ interest ask question and want jump and contact peopl involv happen immediatli last two thing make that knew that knew lot peopl space arena town and that feel free call time question and didn answer that that question peopl answer final ask for appoint senat that list and that know thi that interest time problem get schedul sinc state week dai felt pretti good job john
sci.space	space research spin tue apr gmt pgf srl cac usl edu phil fraer phil shafer rigel dfrf nasa gov mari shafer write apr prb access digex pat pat articl apr aurora alaska edu pat nsmca aurora alaska edu write question can give exampl direct nasa space relat research that help human gener will interest pat tang mylar push tech pat composit for airfram fly wire swept wing you fly airlin you reap benefit phil didn earli jet fighter phil german work wwii naca world war nasa directli descend naca space ad you notic that didn mention sweep wing even test dryden had steal that dirctli german differ that swept wing don chang angl sweep sweep wing perhap similar name caus confus swept wing sweep wing winglet area rule digit fly wire ride smooth phil lot thi militari nasa aerodynamicist propos and nasa test team demonstr richard whitcomb and jone langlei research center giant field dryden involv flight test winglet and area rule and true that us militari aircraft testb and that had avail and militari involv complet our and bail air forc interest result and support effort dryden flew digit fly wire aircraft mechnaic analog backup show you confid gener dynam decid make flybi wire success mind you avro arrow and fly wire aircraft earlier analog phil egad disagre mari shafer nasa habit acquir second hand militari aircraft and for testb can make thing kind confus hand second hand navi plane give test pilot chanc fold wing pilot edward air forc base can mari shafer dod kotfr nasa dryden flight research facil edward shafer rigel dfrf nasa gov don speak for nasa mig your six mig unknown fighter pilot
sci.space	space food stick articl agat berkelei edu ghelf violet berkelei edu write tast hard describ rememb fondli candi modern power bar sort toffe inject vitamin chocol power bar rough approxim tast strawberri suck peanut butter favorit don second bite strawberri recent join nutri system and chewi fudg bar reminic chocol space food thi thing can find that even come close tast take you back your tast bud happi and your intestin knot joi mark adam paix stratu opinion not stratu hell don even agre logic wreath pretti flower that smell bad
sci.space	comet temporari orbit jupit articl apr kelvin jpl nasa gov baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov ron baalk write comet gehrel discov determin temporari jovian orbit comet shoemak levi remain orbit jupit long galileo make closeup observ orbit trajectori for comet shoemak levi determin posit uncertainti assum and galileo meter hga don pretti good idea imag hga work slew real time speed light delai imag toutati didn lucki guess find imag imagin will visual imag will that affect imag mission lga real tight alloc bandwidth prematur hope for answer thought throw floor pat
sci.space	plutonium base nuclear power plant todai york time wrote pact negoti and russian develop high temperatur ga cool fission reactor cycl weapon grade plutonium warhead stockpil fuel will pellet ceram for safeti and deplet will suffici contamin product make extract remain plutonium hazard deter us appar project will led gener atom san diego fund govern pilot plant will built and oper russian pat
sci.space	vulcan not gui ear articl vnci inqmind bison victor inqmind bison victor lake write info appar sight vulcan that that appar two sight drastic time small planet that insid mercuri orbit that info sight appar spuriou planet insid orbit mercuri idea vulcan differ mercuri observ perihelion precess and had newtonian physic leverri made extens set observ and calcul mid centuri and simon newcomb improv observ and calcul leverri system equat leverri discover neptun and sinc had predict exist base anomali orbit uranu inclin sort thing afoot mercuri ala twere not mercuri perihelion precess rate space resid sun significantli curv due sun mass thi explan had wait and albert einstein synthesi earlier theori electrodynam move bodi commonli call special rel reimanian geometri result gener theori rel and noteworthi strength that account for precess mercuri perihelion almost exactli exactli you us newcomb number leverri not believ einstein and that fine subsequ effort find planet closer sun mercuri radar fruitless bill gawn forgiv barbarian think custom tribe law univers caesar opinion noth thi post constitut offici statement person organ
sci.space	nuclear wast articl apr mksol dseg mccall mksol dseg fred mccall write apr rochest edu dietz rochest edu paul dietz write paul quit frankli that thi work typic trash process put coupl ton end and rel clean materi end run residu power sound almost perpetu motion doesn will that thi process come even close approach technolog and econom feasibl mix natur trash that will run oppos cost separ thing and run for each actinid dump ton end and pull rel clean materi onc cost technolog risk etc into account class thi idea throw wast into sun and physic understood reason approach shelf technolog doesn thi part ssf design goal gee fred your bitter defens khz power basic technolog for ssf you support minor research program thi and particl physic ipn prove thi technolog real reason acceler breeder inciner not built that isn reason natur uranium cheap and geolog dispos actinid technic reason polit gridlock entir nuclear technic agenda big polit opponen fast breeder technolog wipp fought death court even you make nuclear inciner you even deaf smith counti nevada accept nimbi ism rule nuclear power concern medic commun overrul nuclear technolog opposit
sci.space	space research spin articl shafer apr rigel dfrf nasa gov shafer rigel dfrf nasa gov mari shafer write dryden flew digit fly wire aircraft mechnaic analog backup show you confid confid craze that desert sun success mind you avro arrow and fly wire aircraft earlier analog gee thought cabl control didn total electr failur flight machan backup system nasa habit acquir second hand militari aircraft and for testb can make thing kind confus hand second hand navi plane give test pilot chanc fold wing pilot edward air forc base can you mean overstress wing and fail teh joint you enlighten hinterland pat
sci.space	space food stick dillon comment that space food stick bad digest properti don nasa food product design low fiber residu product minim difficulti wast dispos doubt deploi that caus sale distress aren plastic baggi world for bad case diseas pat
sci.space	area rule mari henri can describ thi aptli understand speed superson wind behav fluid pipe becom incompress wind bend wing edg wing thicken pipe bend place begin stall and forc compress steal power vehicl high drag you squeez fuselag that pipe aplac bend into drag reduc essenti teh cross section area aircraft shoulf remain constant for area fuselag that wing subtract teh cross section area wing fuselag pat
sci.space	vehicl near flight test apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write sinc horizont not land that martian land thing miss don and such overli obviou you miss take vertic and intend land insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
sci.space	alaska pipelin and space station access digex net prb access digex pat write articl apr mksol dseg mccall mksol dseg fred mccall write thi great build current spend rule don permit workabl for thi work for govern guarante minimum amount busi order suffici reduc risk make thi attract privat firm sinc gener can alloc monei year time govern can provid such tenant guarante fred read bit govern lot multi year contract penalti for cancel claus damn sign multi year contract reason aren cut defens spend reagan administr sign multi year contract that cheaper finish don read bit pat work govern contractor and rule sign damn washington week fund multi year contract aren will includ suffici cancel penalti decid cut multi year contract and not pai can happen arbitrarili time matter previou plan make risk accept put privat space station govern expect prime occup sourc for that statement reason aren cut defens spend don bui thing find bit funni your post pat that peopl answer question pretti mine you comment and incorrectli that lot you and tommi move togeth insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
sci.space	comet temporari orbit jupit articl psfan access digex net prb access digex pat write articl apr kelvin jpl nasa gov baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov ron baalk write comet gehrel discov determin temporari jovian orbit comet shoemak levi remain orbit jupit long galileo make closeup observ orbit trajectori for comet shoemak levi determin posit uncertainti comet shoemak levi jovian orbit and comet hang galileo arriv will ad list target two year earth base observ narrow posit piec comet won gaspra imag toutati galileo not imag toutati that earth base radar ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo cynic never help pasadena correct situat and aggrav
sci.space	nuclear wast articl rin ryukoku will rin ryukoku william reiken write creation oil produc bacteria figur that you can make eat you can make shit comment oil hydrogen electr economi like cleaner and effici long run law suppli and demand transit underwai reach critic stage shortag matthew deluca georgia institut technolog atlanta georgia decvax hplab ncar purdu rutger gatech prism matthew internet matthew phantom gatech edu
sci.space	gibbon outlin ssf redesign guidanc nasa headquart distribut press releas todai type verbatim for you folk chew topic recent discuss sci space cover thi gibbon outlin space station redesign guidanc john gibbon director offic scienc and technolog polici outlin member design advisori committe redesign space station april budget option guidanc committe deliber redesign space station low option billion mid rang option billion and high option billion will consid committe each option cover total expenditur for space station fiscal year and includ fund for develop oper util shuttl integr facil research oper support transit cost and includ adequ program reserv insur program implement fund year billion reserv nasa budget for presid technolog invest result station option billion accompani offset reduct rest nasa budget for exampl space station option billion requir billion offset nasa budget year gibbon present inform organiz session advisori committe gener member design focus administr topic and us session acquaint receiv legal and ethic brief and orient process station redesign team develop option for advisori committe gibbon announc that unit state and intern partner european japanes and canadian decid consult give full consider us russian asset space station redesign process that end russian will ask particip redesign effort need consult basi that redesign team can make us expertis assess capabl mir and us mir and russian capabl and system and intern partner hope benefit expertis russian particip assess russian system and technolog goal redesign effort develop option for reduc station cost preserv kei research and explor capabl care integr russian asset kei factor achiev that goal gibbon reiter that presid clinton commit redesign space station and make effort preserv scienc technolog and job that space station program repres commit space station that manag and that not consum nation resourc us invest futur thi industri and thi nation nasa administr daniel goldin russian particip will accomplish east west space scienc center univers maryland leadership roald sagdeev
sci.space	space research spin apr prb access digex pat pat articl shafer apr rigel dfrf nasa gov pat shafer rigel dfrf nasa gov mari shafer write success mind you avro arrow and fly wire aircraft earlier analog pat gee thought cabl control didn pat total electr failur flight machan pat backup system reaction control aircraft fly wire rc part aerodynam control surfac elev rudder etc convention control pushrod and cabl rc jet fly wire nasa habit acquir second hand militari aircraft and for testb can make thing kind confus hand second hand navi plane give test pilot chanc fold wing pilot edward air forc base can pat you mean overstress wing and fail teh pat joint navi aircraft fold sweep wing order save space hangar deck wing sweep rest fold wingtip joint air forc plane don fold wing sinc air forc lot room mari shafer dod kotfr nasa dryden flight research facil edward shafer rigel dfrf nasa gov don speak for nasa mig your six mig unknown fighter pilot
sci.space	mar observ updat articl pcgaa access digex prb access digex pat write isn that kicker stupid drop mission magellan isn million year mission you that ongo scienc justifi monei jpl get accus spend neccessari valid that nasa put monei into thing that porcin attend colloquium goddard last fall head oper section nasa talk futur mission fund don rememb name titl hand and discard colloquia announc case ask that matter can spend million instrument that place responc that and lead time instrument cobe magellan hubbl etc year minumum spent that spent current instrument current budget enviro noth for futur project that short run scienc wonder and popular start year had retir becom greatest villan space commun for not fund earli stage gener instrument had benefit predicessor fund choic ow sucessor eventu develop mission even expens cut instrument last drop scienc wrung covert beach dragon access digex
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sci.space	washington post articl ssf redesign space station redesign leader cost goal imposs todai washington post ran articl headlin shown articl start leader nasa team charg redesign plan space station yesterdai job tough and imposs connor quot whether cut cost that and provid for meaning research real question for connor fair game includ drop curtail exist contract aerospac industri chop manag space station program nasa facil countri work close russian space station mir and unman titan rocket supplement man space shuttl fleet connor team review design option and sort candid into categori base cost post connor describ design deriv current ssf high cost option kathi sawyer post writer confus listen part connor brief press mondai and part brief connor talk white hous option sort cost low medium and high anoth part brief discuss team form option ssf deriv larc modular buildup bu msfc and singl launch core wingless orbit jsc respons report question thought heard connor option base ssf redesign moder cost option low high cost option not high cost option sawyer wrote articl describ two option featur modul that gradual fit togeth orbit similar russian mir core facil that deposit orbit singl launch skylab that option us exist hardwar space shuttl fuselag for exampl basic structur last sentenc articl contradict titl paragraph sentenc read connor streamlin version plan space station freedom administr budget guidelin
sci.space	blue ribbon panel member name press releas distribut april nasa headquart space station redesign advisori member name charl vest recent name vice presid albert gore head advisori committe redesign space station nasa announc name repres govern and industri and academ expert across countri particip independ review redesign option develop nasa extrem honor select lead thi import review panel america futur scienc and technolog and world leader space demand utmost attent and care vest assembl divers panel expert that will bring measur insight integr and object thi critic task advisori committe charg independ assess redesign option space station present nasa redesign team and propos recommend improv effici and effect space station program space station intern partner ask particip and will name date advisori committe will submit recommend june advisori committe member name todai includ charl vest bobbi alford presid mit execut dean medicin baylor colleg medicin jai chabrow paul chu presid jmr associ director texa center for superconduct univers houston crawlei john fabian prof aero astro presid ceo mit anser maj gen jame fain edward fort deputi chief staff for chancellor requir headquart north carolina usaf materi command state univers mari good frederick hauck senior technolog presid intern technic alli signal inc underwrit lou lanzerotti william lilli chair space scienc nation academi public board nation research administr council duan mcruer brad parkinson presid system technolog prof astro aero stanford univers robert seaman lee silver nasa deputi admin keck foundat professor for resourc geologi california institut technolog albert bud wheelon retir ceo hugh aircraft
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sci.space	call space clueless szaboism articl pfiuh access digex prb access digex pat write japanes for nuke not technolog oppos bwr pwr consid gener inher safe design japanes learn curv nuclear power thi mean that unlik german great thing japanes tie foreign compani major mitsubishi share agreement chanc design sodium lot chemic problem solv design difficulti inher safe type sodium lot chemic problem eat stainless steel slowli get end not call desir properti for design difficulti sodium bitch and chemic properti flwed that mean get us two loop that not design problem isol air and water that doesn design problem comparison bwr dream ride pwr work real good lot steel and highli complex system simplic virtu don that liquid sodium breeder steel complex joseph askew joseph askew gauch and proud autumn still pleiad jaskew spam math adelaid edu remot thorni desert fell grief disclaim sue care north tent sky end somwher brenda pale river murmur
sci.space	call space clueless szaboism articl pfj access digex prb access digex pat write articl mar mksol dseg mccall mksol dseg fred mccall write isn feasibl for japan stockpil amount oil run industri us nuclear power export gnp don export anywher gnp mexico perhap not export mark similar develop countri australia export larger share gnp unit state hand like factor thi immedi obviou you thought disrupt sea lane for oil will hose export rout import rout that count can export couldn live import for longer six month that import oil critic commod true that unstabl and sourc worri joseph askew joseph askew gauch and proud autumn still pleiad jaskew spam math adelaid edu remot thorni desert fell grief disclaim sue care north tent sky end somwher brenda pale river murmur
sci.space	small astronaut budget astronaut articl pfkf access digex prb access digex pat write problem send corp small astronaut want start galact empir napoleon complex you genghi khan gui bet juliu caesar never broke you lose your monei juliu tall for roman record favour small soldier thought tougher and had gut you for napoleon rememb that french averga feet and that height rel complex obspac burn candl high school that and relight larg hot bodi space atmospher exactli heat surround diffus joseph askew joseph askew gauch and proud autumn still pleiad jaskew spam math adelaid edu remot thorni desert fell grief disclaim sue care north tent sky end somwher brenda pale river murmur
sci.space	nasa wrap april edit small step for space activist allen sherzer tim kyger write anoth problem call wrap sometim center tax work for larg program freedom shuttl perform nasa center center skim portion into amount slush fund thi monei us fund work center manag fund thi sum estim fund alloc that billion cost freedom fulli billion won spent space station that billion wise spent and wasn work stand merit not distort cost project congress idea existens wrap congress never heard term center tax station get and price pai and note that doesn add thi blissfulli unawar that monei for dear friend your mix fact and fiction coupl week ago read thi your post talk cost expert space station headquart you wonder didn post respons immedi real job suppos headquart dig khz data into sherzer kyger claim rate pretti low totem pole prioriti spent last weekend kansa citi nation scienc teacher associ confer extol virtu ssf scienc teacher concept center tax wrap exist recal number correctli total tax for ssf program for thi fiscal year million thi comput ad and center tax ssf budget for thi fiscal year billion calculat tax percentag life ssf program your figur billion for cost ssf tax rate come million thi alot billion will conced appreci amount pocket chang note that your estim tax rate close actual rate tax charg fund that spent center kind mcdonald state you pai sale tax you eat food restaur you don you for exampl vast bulk fund receiv rocketdyn contract and not subject center tax don number front guess fund rocketdyn you tax rate appli fund spent center and not prime contract thi lead obviou question govern ssf fund that don prime contractor get slice billion pie big portion thi slice rocketdyn happen balanc fund aren eaten center tax call fund spend hous support develop fund support develop work rocketdyn us fund setup testb checkout electr power system architectur testb real life solar arrai field left solar cell research research year back lead acid car batteri simul nickel hydrogen batteri ssf switchgear convert unit and simul load data testb us recent chang evalu involv concern stabil power system us support develop monei purchas nickel hydrogen batteri life test lewi and crane naval facil indiana side point batteri cell test recent hit year life test mileston cell complet cycl orbit batteri cycl per year final exampl home divis lewi us support develop fund purchas person comput and work station for perform system analys model perform electr power system avail calcul mont carlo simul set databas inform weight power system element final monei rais tax not into slush fund lewi director control small discretionari fund each year individu lewi can submit propos director monei thi fund pretti lewi charter tax fund gener servic center librari central comput servic divis contractor remov snow etc difficult determin percentag ssf budget doesn for ssf activ accur figur you annual expenditur for librari for exampl and divid amount librari fund us support ssf hard comput you figur percentag bill for aviat week for year billabl ssf you base person hour ssf employe spend read week versu rest center personnel you compar thi estim ssf portion librari expens portion tax that support librari ssf overpai tax run librari underpai for snow remov talk burecrat nightmar last point that can your claim that congress never heard term center tax nasa testimoni congress isn comput can simpl word search someplac prove you wrong sure gao audit nasa cost method document for congress
sci.space	rollout report mcdonnel dougla roll huntington beach calif pictur perfect southern california dai mcdonnel dougla roll rocket ship last saturdai compani hope thi singl stage rocket technolog demonstr will step singl stage orbit ssto rocket ship white conic vehicl schedul white sand missil rang mexico thi week flight test will start mid june wasn cloud noondai sky forecast for ssto research remain cloudi sdi organ paid million for can afford fund full develop follow vehicl hundr million requir for sub orbit sdio pass tin cup sister govern agenc sdio origin fund ssto research cut cost for orbit deploy space base sensor and weapn recent sdi polit march order and budget cut made ssto prioriti todai agenc interest step low cost reusabl sound rocket sdio brief govern agenc col simon pete worden sdio deputi for technolog worden declin agenc poni for program didn make colonel tell contractor monei spend quip press confer mcdonnel dougla astronaut headquart sdio lower sight program orbit object agenc offici hail exampl faster cheaper approach hardwar develop agenc believ thi philosophi can produc breakthrough that leapfrog ahead evolutionari technolog develop worden illustr build test approach can produc result time and budget program concept hardwar month show todai engin move miracl parent time kei manag worden sdio had light hand thi project had overwork major jess sponabl phase involv agenc worden lean manag and sens govern industri partnership will crucial essenti not end larg manag structur price exponenti sdio approach won prais two california member hous scienc space and technolog committe thi direct rep georg brown committe democrat chairman program that stretch aout year aren sustain nasa hasn learn sdio rep dana rohrbach brown republican colleagu joke that shrimp fish design nasa design team rohrbach doubt that program complet left civil space agenc rohrbach orang counti district includ mcdonnel dougla critic nasa air forc work convent multi stage rocket place case missil technolog not build fanci ammunit capsul top build spaceship rohrbach prais sdio sponsorship privat sector lead develop ssto technolog mcdonnel dougla face uncertain prospect transport and space station freedom program cautiou larg privat secotro commit larg ventur compani put seed monei charl ordahl mcdonnel dougla senior vice presid for space system you strong govern invest govern and industri continu differ fund for agre continu increment approach develop cite corpor histori liken process dougla aircraft aircraft two earlier aircraft pave for transport gradual evolut singl stage rocketri eventu lead orbit delta clipper flight test thi summer white sand will expand envelop perform success test increas speed and altitud test will reach feet and demonstr hover verticl and land second seri will send unman feet and final seri will craft feet maneuv will becom complex phase final test will includ pitch manev that rotat vehicl back into bottom configur for soft leg land flight test seri will supervis charl pete conrad perform similar maneuv apollo moon land mcdonnel dougla vice presid conrad pais vehicl aircraft approach oper featur includ autom check and access panel for easi maintain program move stage engin technolog will becom kei consider thi engin thrust pratt whitnei engin us each motor liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen propel gener pound thrust base engin us centaur upper stage model thrust champer design for sea level oper and throttl capabl design for repeat fire and rapid turnaround worden futur singl stage rocket emploi tri propel engin technolog develop soviet union result engin burn dens hydrocarbon fuel takeoff and switch liquid hydrogen higher altitud mechan for team place pratt technolog agreement npo energomash design bureau respons for tri propel and energia cryogen engin
sci.space	space research spin articl psg access digex net prb access digex pat write nasa habit acquir second hand militari aircraft and for testb can make thing kind confus hand second hand navi plane give test pilot chanc fold wing pilot edward air forc base can you mean overstress wing and fail teh joint you enlighten hinterland fold dot line pictur carrier load deck wing neatli fold dillon pyron opinion express dseg lewisvil vax support sender state home god gave weather wouldn complain pyron skndiv dseg thing padi
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sci.space	white hous outlin option for station russian cooper blind carbon copi spacenew austen rand org cti austen rand org subject white hous outlin option for station russian cooper date tue apr pdt richard buennek buennek austen rand org gibbon outlin space station redesign guidanc nasa headquart washington april releas john gibbon director offic scienc and technolog polici outlin member design advisori committe redesign space station april budget option guidanc committe deliber redesign space station low option billion mid rang option billion and high option billion will consid committe each option cover total expenditur for space station fiscal year and includ fund for develop oper util shuttl integr facil research oper support transit cost and includ adequ program reserv insur program implement fund year billion reserv nasa budget for presid technolog invest result station option billion accompani offset reduct rest nasa budget for exampl space station option billion requir billion offset nasa budget year gibbon present inform organiz session advisori committe gener member design focus administr topic and us session acquaint receiv legal and ethic brief and orient process station redesign team develop option for advisori committe gibbon announc that unit state and intern partner european japanes and canadian decid consult give full consider us russian asset space station redesign process that end russian will ask particip redesign effort need consult basi that redesign team can make us expertis assess capabl mir and us mir and russian capabl and system and intern partner hope benefit expertis russian particip assess russian system and technolog goal redesign effort develop option for reduc station cost preserv kei research and explor capabilitia care integr russian asset kei factor achiev that goal gibbon reiter that presid clinton commit redesign space station and make effort preserv scienc technolog and job that space station program repres commit space station that manag and that not consum nation resourc us invest futur thi industri and thi nation nasa administr daniel goldin russian particip will accomplish east west space scienc center univers maryland leadership roald sagdeev end blind carbon copi
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sci.space	rollout report articl ftn cmu edu buennek monti rand org richard buennek write mcdonnel dougla roll ssto research remain cloudi sdi organ paid million for can afford fund full develop follow vehicl hundr million requir for thi peculiar put sdio budget thi year billion fund develop year budget iron fire and launcher develop not primari purpos develop easili paid for divert that monei divert compar st op budget and flame start applaud sdio for fund devlop and hope work and launcher develop not nasa primari goal imho suppos provid enabl technolog research for launcher develop and secondarili oper such launcher requir that steinn sigurdsson two shoot star last night lick observatori wish satellit steinli lick ucsc edu wrong space hardwar standard disclaim you care
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sci.space	ozon gif ozon gif imag april two gif imag ozon map northern and southern hemispher jpl info public access site map produc microwav limb sounder aboard upper atmospher research satellit uar and courtesi public inform offic jpl note that imag gif format make your displai softwar support thi format oppos older gif format caption file accompani imag append end thi messag embed imag imag dialup modem bp paramet anonym ftp ftp pubinfo jpl nasa gov user anonym new will move imag directori dai file ozon gif northern hemispher ozon gif southern hemispher photograph print imag can order newel color lab list below refer number associ imag order newel color lab westmoreland avenu lo angel telephon fax ozon gif public inform offic jet propuls laboratori california institut technolog nation aeronaut and space administr pasadena calif telephon photo april thi graphic depict chlorin monoxid and ozon earth northern hemispher februari and map produc microwav limb sounder aboard upper atmospher research satellit chlorin monoxid clo map left for layer kilomet feet earth surfac februari and below ozon map show total amount altitud kilomet feet averag period februari march for two year microwav limb sounder develop and oper team nasa jet propuls laboratori instrument goddard space flight center upper atmospher research satellit launch septemb ozon gif public inform offic jet propuls laboratori california institut technolog nation aeronaut and space administr pasadena calif telephon photo caption april thi graphic depict chlorin monoxid clo and antarct ozon hole map produc microwav limb sounder aboard upper atmospher research satellit show amount chlorin monoxid left and ozon stratospher altitud kilomet feet small abund ozon larg abund chlorin monoxid domin form chlorin that destroi ozon data septemb top compar septemb bottom microwav limb sounder develop and oper team nasa jet propuls laboratori instrument goddard space flight center upper atmospher research satellit launch septemb ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo cynic never help pasadena correct situat and aggrav
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sci.space	shuttl oxygen budget astronaut henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write emerg oxygen system that capabl maintain breathabl atmospher cabin for long come even hole wall that plug josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu repli wow doubl wow can you land shuttl hole wall personn don programmat can land orbit hole wall provid that thing caus hole didn crit failur intern system place hole bad dai hole orbit and side easili happen meteor strike hole pressur vessel immedi orbit land site ken jenk nasa jsc space shuttl program offic kjenk gothamc jsc nasa gov nasa turn dream into realiti and make scienc fiction into fact daniel goldin nasa administr
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sci.space	big amateur rocket articl mkk raistlin udev cdc pbd runyon cim cdc paul doka write state that sell rocket that length and engin size that rocket will reach feet obviou danger amateur rocket beast isn thi illeg can imagin faa allow peopl shoot rocket flight level passeng plane situat thi regard chang consider recent year discuss high power rocketri rec model rocket frequent ask question list thi not hardwar you can walk street and bui you proper certif that can had tripoli high power analog nar nar cautious move extend upper boundari consid proper you special faa author provid you aren lax runwai approach stupid that not hard arrang model rocketri thi sort hardwar safe handl properli proper handl take care and you lot empti air fly basic model rocketri scale model rocketri high power peopl us factori built engin elimin major safeti hazard rocketri work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	wrench work nanderso endor sim norman anderson write jmcocker eo ncsu edu mitch write effect that ssrb that recov recent space shuttl launch found wrench sort rattl appar insid case heard similar statement local new utah tonight refer tool plier that ride into space that thiokol employe had report miss tool kind assembl srb assum that thiokol put manag hat and that piss custom delai shipment srb insid bad idea that tool end feel that thiokol manag hat shape cone
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sci.space	big amateur rocket articl mkk raistlin udev cdc pbd runyon cim cdc paul doka write read popular scienc thi morn and surpris back that lot ad back fring scienc question legal thi grab attent compani name person missl inc that state that sell rocket that length and engin size that rocket will reach feet obviou danger amateur rocket beast isn thi illeg can imagin faa allow peopl shoot rocket flight level passeng plane not even mention problem locat rocket come and not even bui not that crazi paul mine feet and carri pound dynamit doka public missil inc michigan descript sound talk high power rocketri outgrowth model rocketri thi hobbi metal structur compoment and commer manufactur engin rang impuls classif hobbi flourish earli and increas popular technic thi not amateur rocketri rocket liftoff weight greater pound total impuls greater requir faa waiver launch typic group peopl faa waiver for period time week weekend etc design site and time and launch cover thi blanket waiver high power safeti code design specif rule such launch field size etc final order purchas larger class rocket motor you certifi nation associ rocketri tripoli rocketri associ certif procedur requir demonstart handl and safe flight total impuls level for inform watch rec model rocket newsgroup michael jungcla att ihlpb rjungcla bell lab napervil internet rjungcla ihlpb att
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sci.space	space event lo angel apolog thi get post twice don made for releas contact oasi april lo angel local nation space societi chapter sponsor talk advoc lunar power system energi sourc for world april oasi and ventura counti chapter nation space societi will sponsor talk lunar power system lp inventor and vice presid lp coalit robert waldron will held rockwel scienc center thousand oak waldron technic specialist space materi process space system divis rockwel intern downei california recogn world author lunar materi refin written coauthor articl report nonterrestri materi process util david criswel waldron invent lunar solar power system concept momentum build for coalit entrepreneur legal expert and soviet and scientist and engin build lunar power system pollut free energi sourc potenti power globe for past year member coalit half california rejuven commerci and scientif concept solar power system base moon lp concept entail collect solar energi lunar surfac and beam power earth microwav transmit orbit antenna matur lp offer enorm sourc clean sustain power meet earth increas demand proven basic technolog oasi organ for advanc space industri greater lo angel chapter nation space societi intern profit organ that promot develop space frontier ventura counti chapter base oxnard rockwel scienc center auditorium camino do rio thousand oak direct ventura freewai thousand oak exit lynn road head north turn north left turn south mile turn left camino do rio mile make into rockwel camino colindo park top hill left
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sci.space	lrdpa new you thi point copi lunar resourc data purchas act thi bill back moon bill author govern purchas lunar scienc data privat and profit vendor select basi competit bid aggreg cap bid award million you copi bill and can don want legales contain feder legisl don you free resourc evalu bill for you your local congression offic list phone book staf peopl can forward copi bill legal expert simpli and support lunar resourc data purchas act you feedback neg posit your congression offic forward david anderman yorba linda blvd apt fullerton mail david anderman ofa fidonet org anoth resourc your local chapter nation space societi member chapter will happi work you evalu and support back moon bill for address and telephon number nearest chapter you send mail check latest issu astra librari you final you request and not receiv inform back moon bill send your request databas for bill recent corrupt and inform lost author bill you for your patienc maximu
sci.space	talk boe manag ssto type stuff sharehold perspect suggest give manag mumbl time ask lead question two part your long term expect space market project specif fund intern fund and level and competit you expect thi area thi last point worth hit upper manag gentli you want and hard you can you good case that compet
sci.space	venu lander for venu condit doubt good prospect for armor system for venu surfac condit hundr degre high pressur possibl sulfur and nitric acid oxid notion for outer planet you pick ic extream upper atmospher condit bui deeper penetr nice creativ idea unlikli worthi think
sci.space	want optic shaft encod for telescop post misc forsal want misc want want want want want optic shaft encod quantiti singl end increment need encod movement cassegrain telescop telescop observatori univ mass boston project manag georg tucker graduat student umb call email call you two type encod due low fund level for price that suffici lower that for encod georg tucker sugarman umb edu univ home standard disclaim boston massachusett usa
sci.space	atla revisit found interest that atla depend pressur maintain tank geometri lead question ssto concept explor pressur tankag such that launch configur significantli reentri long facin pnumat structur conceiv and built frei otto and ballon tank ssto sound clever
sci.space	ussr had reach moon articl saundrsg qucdn queensu graydon saundrsg qucdn queensu write thi turn into moonbas good for and not post hundr odd post that real reason moon base econom sinc space industri will presum larger gnp space industri eventu will simpli afford stuff read you you essenc that larger economi nation will discretionari fund wast lunar facil that partial case apollo real lunar coloni will requir continu militari scientif commerci reason for monei not approach conceiv that luna will militari purpos that luna will commerci purpos like that luna will scientif purpos for hundr year lunar base predic fund level found for antarct base can you put person base moon for million year even you us grad student gari gari coffman you make gatech mei gari destruct test system break uunet rsiatl gari shannon guarante emori gari lawrencevil
sci.space	armi space last had heard budget and such air farc space command left rest mission gener air farc good reason for transfer armi guard air guard hate walk pack back and you put your applic for job kitchen worker that you lot kitchen polic michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	shuttl launch question articl apr stdvax abdkw stdvax david ward write articl jlwx cmu edu etrat ttac ttu edu pack rat write bother watch nasa select for bother wonder launch forget exactli otc plt clear caution warn memori verifi unexpect error wonder expect error thi dumb question pure specul guess caution base hazard pre launch op qualifi caution srb arm pure specul pariti error memori previous condit that waiver that error knew problem decid backup handl problem area that not critic that problem system decid curiou real mean quot tom
sci.space	into infin doppelgang vulcan qkn rinnett mojo eng umd edu sysmgr king eng umd edu write articl apr fnalf fnal gov higgin fnalf fnal gov bill higgin beam jockei write thi journei side sun unit state and doppelgang live action seri ufo and space astronomi lousi lift bodi spacecraft vtol airlin and mighti portuges launch complex wonder exactli space effect remain rate even todai recycl lot model and theme music for ufo concept even show space anderson shed reput creator worst pseudo scientif show histori fly into infin thi thing part bbc educ seri dai tomorrow anderson episod dealt spaceship capabl reach speed light lightship altar man crew eventu journei into black hole and end side galaxi thi year back and like fan space guess easili satisfi dai into infin releas video space show vh and that thunderbird etc england marcu softwar engin that militari intellig isn sysmgr cadlab eng umd edu
sci.space	space debri gui nasa johnson space center that answer your question not name you follow can dig that for you keesler loftu potter stansberi kubriek
sci.space	orion test film film putt putt test vehicl us convent explos proof concept test anoth nathan wallac realiti mail wallacen colost edu ancient alphaean proverb
sci.space	japanes moon land temporari orbit articl pgf srl cac usl edu pgf srl cac usl edu phil fraer write rl uihepa hep uiuc edu rai swartz that gui write graviti maneuv that us exploit fuzzi region describ inventor exploit second order perturb bodi system probe launch into thi region for earth moon sun system perturb affect such into lunar orbit larg expenditur fuel slow idea that natur object sometim captur expend fuel find trajectori that make origin techniqu that nasa wasn interest that japan probe small and couldn hold lot fuel for deceler post thi anoth titl that gui thread that thi practic us temporari orbit anoth temporari orbit phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man you interest orbit and obtain you and find paper hiroshi yamakawa jun ichiro kawaguchi nobuaki ishii and hiroki matsuo numer studi gravit captur orbit earth moon system aa aa aiaa spaceflight mechan meet colorado spring colorado refer includ thi paper quit interest and includ that specif hiten mission steven davi daviss sweetpea jsc nasa gov mcdonnel dougla don repres space system compani houston divis
sci.space	shuttl launch question articl owcb world std tombak world std tom baker articl jlwx cmu edu etrat ttac ttu edu pack rat write clear caution warn memori verifi unexpect error wonder expect error thi dumb question pariti error memori previous condit that waiver that error knew curiou real mean quot tom understand that expect error basic bug warn system softwar thing check that don valu aren set till launch and suchlik fix code and possibl introduc bug crew you warn liftoff ignor jonathan
sci.space	nasp pertin report unit state gener account offic nation aero space plane restructur futur research and develop effort decemb report number gao nsiad back list relat report nasp kei issu face program mar gao nsiad aerospac plane technolog effort japan and australia oct gao nsiad aerospac plane technolog effort europ juli gao nsiad aerospac technolog technic data and inform foreign test facil jun gao nsiad invest foreign aerospac vehicl research and technolog develop effort aug gao nsiad nasp technolog develop and demonstr program build apr gao nsiad insid back cover order inform copi each gao report free order call dani dani eder meridian invest compani box athen locat deg deg alt
sci.space	dspse clementin sdio contract nrl naval research laboratori fly clementin mission btw call dspse deep space project scienc experi nrl build spacecraft design detail mission and integr and oper jpl goddard prob folk left don mad tamp trajectori analysi mission plan team and respons for traj that goddard csc design for sdio reason safeti constraint tight run lidar leo leo don radiat data sensor will that data passag van allen belt sinc not piggi back gener scienc intercept problem lot easi long distanc and long time thing forgotten and haven told reason talk jim blackshear jib bonni jsc nasa gov
sci.space	comet temporari orbit jupit can question answer for previou instanc such gehrel that mention earlier post orbit element comet vii danc file cap omega epoch for inform assum semi major axi and eccentr peri helion and aphelion and and for jupit and temporari captur thi mean that comet end orbit that come closer jupit rough indic jupit jupit influenc perihelion gehrel april jupit radii august jupit radii jupit radiu figur perijov that case for figur mark brader softquad inc toronto rememb golgafrinchan utzoo msb msb pete granger thi articl public domain
sci.space	into infin doppelgang vulcan articl apr abo mlindroo finabo abo marcu lindroo inf write anderson shed reput creator worst pseudo scientif show histori fly into infin thi thing part bbc educ seri dai tomorrow anderson episod dealt spaceship capabl reach speed light lightship altar man crew eventu journei into black hole and end side galaxi thi year back and like fan space guess easili satisfi dai wow begin that had made that rememb that movi hour long don end anywher univers rememb messag halfwai proxima centauri that earth transmit dai launch time catch halfwai point thought neat time into infin releas video space show vh and that thunderbird etc england space come episod releas american store will for into infin show never that name thought show call dai tomorrow and that you blow fire wind care not smoke your ey big growli dragon monster bafta cat ucsc edu shari brook brook anarchi arc nasa gov opinion sole
sci.space	not give billion year long moon resid continuin talk end space ag and complaint govern larg cost not read that work announc that reward billion corpor successfulli person aliv moon for year you inexpens not popular technolog begin develop kind space race gene theporch raider net gene wright theporch raider net macinterest nashvil
sci.space	navstar posit read richard langlei latest navstar gp constel statu state that latest satellit orbit plane posit satellit that posit that almost ten year sinc that satellit launch oper not us not place satellit sinc that posit empti and thi measur almost complet gp constel thoma ericsson telecom stockholm sweden thoma enblom anoth employe
sci.space	buzz aldrin race into space heard plai buzz aldrin race into space expect releas tom
sci.space	diaspar virtual realiti network announc post internet wmiler nyx edu david lunar tele oper model ltm david mitchel march introduct order increas public interest space base and lunar oper real miniatur lunar environ construct test tele oper model model remot control individu locat world wide person comput for edutain purpos not thi provid test bed for simpl tele oper and tele presenc activ for share inform method oper space includ not limit layout lunar coloni tele oper machin for work and plai dissemin educ inform provid contest and award for creativ and achiev and for student worldwid particip twenti centuri remot learn method natur ltm project peopl ag interest and skill can contribut sceneri and mural model and structur interfac and electron softwar and graphic oper ltm evolv playground and laboratori that can us children student and profession worldwid person comput home termin particip institut user tele oper real model ltm base for experiment recreat purpos real facil exist ampl opportun provid for media coverag construct lunar model oper and featur ad suggest user thi broad inher interest for wide rang group tele oper and virtual realiti research radio control model railroad and ham radio oper astronomi and space planetarium and scienc center art and theater bb and onlin network user softwar and game develop manufactur and retail model rocket car and train children child ltm design room feet feet contain base lunar layout wall us for mural distant moon mountain star field and view earth floor simul lunar surfac global call for contribut herebi made for materi for lunar surfac and for design and creation scale model lunar coloni element sceneri and machin let ltm initi design tele oper machinelet ssto scale model will lift hover and land bulldozerlet will move quarri area and moon train will travers simul lunar surfac each machinelet small camera util ccd chip mount person comput digit imag includ reduc pictur content and data compress for minim imag oper for control purpos and return control signal machinelet set will moon train sinc model train camera built almost shelf item and control electron for start and stop train minim user will receiv imag onc second depend speed data link ltm ssto scale model ccd chip will suspend servo motor oper wire frame mount ceil allow for ssto control oper hover entir lunar landscap and land final tank model will modifi ccd chip equip bulldozerlet entir initi ltm will remot oper worldwid receiv minim imag oper model for land and takeoff travel and work entir system base commerci item and part that can easili obtain for interfac electron capabl advanc ham radio oper and comput hardwar softwar develop take graphic orient commun program dmodem and ad tele oper screen and control user interfac can provid man hour plan action diaspar virtual realiti network agre sponsor thi project provid host comput network and internet access that network diaspar provid foot foot facil for actual construct lunar model diaspar stock electron tank that can modifi and ccd chip diaspar agre provid rail stock for lunar train model diaspar will make dmodem graphic commun packag and modifi for control machin let initi ground break miniatur shovel will perform for live photo session and new confer april initi model will put place time laps record will start for histor purpos not expect that thi event will complet solemn lunar coloni will declar open for addit build oper and experi photograph will present and photograph will convert gif imag for distribut world wide major onlin network and bb press releas will issu call for contribut idea time talent materi and scale model for simul lunar coloni contest for design and techniqu for work moon will announc univers will invit particip goal find instructor class particip aspect lunar coloni model field trip ltm can arrang and that time result class work will ad model contributor will tele oper contribut machin let onc return campu monthli ltm newslett will issu electron onlin and convent mean media major tele oper equip addit will mark invit televis new media larg real model space coloni will attract photo opportun for televis commun sinc action will control peopl world scienc fiction writer will invit issu challeng engin and human factor student univers build and oper tele oper equip perform lunar task counter weight and pullei system graviti simul extent traction challeng long term goal creat world wide interest educ experiment and remot oper lunar coloni ltm potenti long term global edutain method for space activ and gener exampl teach and explor subject area not limit space edutain thi facilit kind spirit can lead gener peopl readi for leap star conclus edutain blend educ and entertain enjoi miniatur will potenti impact global layout for recreat educ and experiment purpos creat tele oper model lunar coloni not creat world wide public method idea that requir real not virtual skill and open method for put peopl mind space moonlight illumin path knowledg space and lunar develop peopl engag part thi work david rob dash hyson jzer vril wyatt dark tiggertoo mad hatter sir robin jogden come join discuss fridai night midnight pst diaspar virtual realiti network idea internet telnet diaspar voic email inquiri ltm project leader jzer hydra unm edu directli jzer diaspar
sci.space	orion drive vacuum leigh palmer palmer sfu write feel that film that experi and film memori faulti rememb vehicl slightli meter long thick basepl diamet narr propel dynamit stick deton second come flight max altitud order that hard judg urban fredriksson urf icl
sci.space	comet temporari orbit jupit articl apr msb mark brader write can question answer for previou instanc such gehrel that mention earlier post orbit element comet vii danc file cap omega epoch perihelion gehrel april jupit radii august jupit radii jupit radiu figur perijov that case for figur perijov not us talk thi languag john garland jgarland kean uc mun
sci.space	orbit repairst articl hcbo joi zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write biggest problem thi that orbit not alik can expens reach satellit anoth orbit ground cheaper fuel space base sourc will cheaper reach orbit ground rememb that presenc repair suppli facil add space you can put your satellit orbit can reach readi sourc suppli you can make cheaper and gain benefit economi scale allen ladi astor sir you husband poison your coffe churchil madam you wife drink dai flight dcx
sci.space	nasa wrap articl apr iti org aw iti org allen sherzer write articl apr judi edu wingo cspara decnet fedex msfc nasa gov write don care told you thi not gener true singl line item contract and sign such thing wrap thi univers denni work written propos worth ten million custom includ govern includ nasa for profit and profit compani expect wrap call fee work involv alloc and cost work subcontractor subcontractor univers for profit profit and even nasa center for commerci space charg fee part work street nasa commerci center charg fee you total forgot origin post that you post allen that post you state that wrap top and addit overhead geez thi post you final admit that thi not true your compet engin denni you lack experi area your post show that you don understand import integr larg project you show lack understand cost effort shown your belief that reason charg increment cost for thi isn flame jsut statement come your bun and you will find and work integr thi simpli hominum attack and you your employ charg fee you not you fee for administr geez allen organ cost heck differ legitim cost such librari and thing that support program and wrap you origin state you state that wrap top overhead coupl sentenc you not true allen sound ad overhead rate your cost peopl fee add project never heard suggest that presid that percentag number thi includ overhead you denni simpli includ fee overhead seopar fee sinc fee structur can chang depend custom you post thi subject allen you state that wrap and overhead and seper charg you admit that thi wrong nasa line item budget year allen number that detail nasa budget and dig wrap number and howl high heaven you that you bark wind allen you not you repeat alleg made employe overhead capit nasa integr denni isn overhead noth that reston not dont cheaper nasa center work integr center apollo integr msfc and that not turn bad philosophi reston total wrong allen you bunch peopl complet remov work that overse that will work never work larg scale project that you imagin reston set for apollo denni reston nasa agenc work reduc cost hemorag billion center you love cover and ignor problem reston place you find peopl interest solv problem and build station you full allen thi agre that jsc screw big respons for that screw and peopl that caus replac make stupid statement that show deep your bia come msfc for coupl week and you will find wrong you not peopl you exactli want matter fact contrari kinda funni isn that talk problem thi place overhead you bit experi denni you will realiz that integr isn overhead singl import part success larg scale effort agre that integr singl import part success larg scale effort completli disagre seper that integr function peopl that work call leadership allen that made apollo work final respons for success apollo held peopl that leadership and respons you organ set reston you peopl and move jsc msfc and job year for reston final problem site and part process problem never hand place heck lot not allen thing that for project success you leadership rememb turn reston that ssf program shambl for year you lack respons and leadership that program problem lack leadership white hous congress and reston nasa symptom greater nation problem you narrowli focus your effort that you not thi space new artic point that congression demand chang that caus problem methink that you select fact stori you refer that nasa peopl blame congress supris supris fact remain that center you support cover overhead and wouldn address problem press publish stori you reston manag wrong nasa address overrun you approv center cover overrun that locat jsc never happen place take flight year resuppli station and you cost million flight you pai billion year you state that your friend reston that current station resuppli for billion year wrap thi point blatent contridict your number that understand you fail you denni that nasa doesn includ transport cost for resupli that come shuttl budget that oper cost cut half transport gang deadlin for satellit allen math for for will chanc hope you can find time wrong reston that problem address time reiter timet that leadership that reston site jsc problem never happen total ignor lack leadership congress thi head hydra that grown nasa true problem agenc and chang question suit you and your bia indic your posit denni univers alabama huntsvil
sci.space	biospher kia access digex net pat write articl almaden ibm nicho vnet ibm write access digex net pat write critic bogu scienc promot real scienc that sorta larg engin project scienc project bingo not bench scienc larg scale attempt creat seri micro ecolog eveil thi noth evil actual harm repres sig file string greg nichol nicho vnet ibm busi nicho olympu demon privat
sci.space	biospher access digex net pat write work privat fund data belong sbv don georg fred scoriat ibm research divis for not releas data publish plenti kiddo you sig file string greg nichol nicho vnet ibm busi nicho olympu demon privat
sci.space	sixti two thousand read sci space articl apr fnalf fnal gov higgin fnalf fnal gov bill higgin beam jockei write reid ala measur power influenc reader mark can larg result effort peopl read thi group write letter and make phone call happen nasa reprogram fund nasp aliv effort kill and ssrt progam twice twart feb and june last year gouldin job spite heavi lobbi thi not mark think show that reader sci space power and influenc allen ladi astor sir you husband poison your coffe churchil madam you wife drink dai flight dcx
sci.space	astronomi program articl galaxi ucr edu datadec ucrengr ucr edu kevin marcu write public domain sharewar astronomi program will map sky time and you locat planet nebula and ftp site can star map program your job choos that you anonym ftp ftp funet pub astro star solar mac amiga atari regard veikko
sci.space	ussr had reach moon articl apr gari gari coffman write articl saundrsg qucdn queensu graydon saundrsg qucdn queensu write thi turn into moonbas good for and not post hundr odd post that real reason moon base econom sinc space industri will presum larger gnp space industri eventu will simpli afford stuff read you you essenc that larger economi nation will discretionari fund wast lunar facil that partial case apollo real lunar coloni will requir continu militari scientif commerci reason for monei not approach point that monei spent lunar base not wast moon not bill fuel moon dozer monei fund lunar base spent countri base belong fund high tech research darpa good excus fund field research pretens that crucial defens countri esprit good excus for fund research pretens that good for pan european cooper you that govern fund research wast monei fact pretti you count invest spend boost economi and size that multipli nick hain nickh cmu edu
sci.space	shuttl launch question articl apr head cfa harvard edu jcm head cfa harvard edu jonathan mcdowel write understand that expect error basic bug warn system softwar thing check that don valu aren set till launch and suchlik fix code and possibl introduc bug crew you warn liftoff ignor good grief and thought shuttl softwar for engin thi case member program team and shot that heard shuttl softwar rate level matur strongli doubt that thi case nick hain nickh cmu edu
sci.space	not give billion year long moon resid gene wright gene theporch raider net wrote announc that reward billion corpor successfulli person aliv moon for year you inexpens not popular technolog begin develop kind space race advoc thi idea for fund space station work and throw billion figur for that reward suggest that you increas lunar reward billion thi encourag privat industri invest space nasa primari goal ken jenk nasa jsc space shuttl program offic kjenk gothamc jsc nasa gov faster cheaper daniel goldin nasa administr
sci.space	orion drive vacuum articl apr sfu leigh palmer palmer sfu write articl ngxq zoo toronto edu henri spencer henri zoo toronto edu write nation air space museum prototyp and film year ago had prototyp displai and film continu repeat great visit nation air and space museum end month wife work gener atom time onc netnew enrich life put damper your plan week ago and wasn not that for comb space exhibit pretti and that caught attent instantli thi new thi your peter scott nasa jpl caltech brain new question pj euclid jpl nasa gov
sci.space	vast bandwidth run nasa thread nasa wrap articl apr judi edu denni write zillion line respons articl apr iti org allen wrote zillion line respons articl apr judi edu denni wrote anoth zillion line respons allen hei can you gui email talk polit space alt flame alt music pop will eat poppi patrol anywher thi sci space thi thread lost scientif content moon ago nick hain nickh cmu edu
sci.space	orion drive vacuum articl quh innf elroi jpl nasa gov pj euclid jpl nasa gov write nation air space museum prototyp and film year ago had prototyp displai great visit nation air and space museum end month put damper your plan week ago and wasn not that for comb space exhibit pretti and that caught attent instantli wasn promin recal quit possibl longer displai nasm museum stuff can displai onc and rotat displai occasion work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	confer man lunar explor crystal citi had blurb man lunar explor confernc crystal citi virginia auspic aiaa thi attend want pat
sci.space	space clipper launch space clipper launch successfulli thi thought for second that headlin star plier found srb recent sometim wire cutter built tommi mac tom mcwilliam radiu vision increas ibm msu edu circumfer mysteri grow
sci.space	magellan updat forward doug griffith magellan project manag magellan statu report april magellan mission venu continu gather graviti data measur densiti variat upper mantl can correl surfac topographi spacecraft perform nomin magellan complet orbit venu and dai end cycl and start transit experi signific activ expect week prepar for aerobrak continu schedul mondai morn april moon will occult venu and interrupt track magellan for minut ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar and part veget
sci.space	space class for teacher chicago post thi for friend internet access inquir phone number and address list space teach newest frontier sponsor planetari studi foundat planetari studi foundat sponsor week class for teacher call space teach newest frontier class will held sheraton suit elk grove illinoi june june particip complet program can earn two semest hour graduat credit aurora colleg note that class intend for teacher not restrict teacher class cosponsor unit state space foundat will teach us space explor teach tool student excit learn and interest scienc classroom topic cover class includ live space space shuttl space station nasa spinoff that benefit societi principl astrodynam aeronaut solar system will simul train underwat space station simul model rocket launch observ session harper colleg observatori and field trip adler planetarium and museum scienc and industri featur speaker includ jerri brown colorado base unit state space foundat and debbi brown nasa lewi research center cleveland ohio addit instructor will provid planetari studi foundat social highlight class will dinner banquet featur space shuttl payload specialist byron lichtenberg presid payload system inc lichtenberg member crew st flew novemb banquet schedul for thursdai june registr fee includ transport for field trip materi continent breakfast lunch and special dinner banquet guest ticket for dinner banquet addit charg receiv two hour graduat credit for addit inform class contact scienc learn center write planetari studi foundat algonquin palatin denni newkirk dennisn ec comm mot motorola land mobil product sector schaumburg
sci.space	soviet space book receiv copi cosmonaut and cosmonaut soviet space and space station mir handbook aerospac ambassador problem get readi fax materi huntsvil and includ printout your inquiri georg hast ghast vdoe vak edu space scienc teacher compuserv not mathemat scienc center stareach bb fun hartman street offic not richmond fax scienc
sci.space	space net run spacenew view stareach bb local oper run wwiv softwar capabl link bb and canada wwivnet start thi coupl month ago sub subscrib ten board ad new articl internet ftp nasa site and varieti aerospac relat period fair amount question space topic student access system georg hast ghast vdoe vak edu space scienc teacher compuserv not mathemat scienc center stareach bb fun hartman street offic not richmond fax scienc
sci.space	not give billion year long moon resid articl theporch raider net gene theporch raider net gene wright write continuin talk end space ag and complaint govern larg cost not read that work announc that reward billion corpor successfulli person aliv moon for year you inexpens not popular technolog begin develop kind space race gene theporch raider net gene wright theporch raider net macinterest nashvil that true for friend pool resourc and make prize kind liek solar car race australia game for contest michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	not give billion year long moon resid articl apr aio jsc nasa gov kjenk gothamc jsc nasa gov write gene wright gene theporch raider net wrote announc that reward billion corpor successfulli person aliv moon for year you inexpens not popular technolog begin develop kind space race advoc thi idea for fund space station work and throw billion figur for that reward suggest that you increas lunar reward billion thi encourag privat industri invest space nasa primari goal ken jenk nasa jsc space shuttl program offic kjenk gothamc jsc nasa gov faster cheaper daniel goldin nasa administr russian involv resourc part capit and goal rent russian resourc disqualif michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	space debri thi bui nasa langlei give name greatli rich earth cradl mind cannot live forev cradl tsiolkovski father russian astronaut
sci.space	confer man lunar explor crystal citi prb access digex pat write had blurb man lunar explor confernc crystal citi virginia auspic aiaa thi attend want pat mail aiaa cost speaker includ john pike hohn young and ian pryke
sci.space	confer man lunar explor crystal citi articl quul access digex net prb access digex pat write had blurb man lunar explor confernc crystal citi virginia auspic aiaa thi attend want pat select excerpt invit registr form retyp permiss typo mine low cost lunar access dai confer explor mean and benefit rejuven human lunar program fridai hyatt regenc crystal citi hotel arlington confer low cost lunar access confer will forum for exchang idea initi and structur afford human lunar program inher such low cost program principl that implement rapidli and meet object short time frame delet confer program preliminari washington room open remark alan lovelac keynot address brian dailei polici outlook john pike american feder scientist discuss prospect for introduct low cost lunar initi view uncertain direct space program take noon morn plenari session present architectur system and oper concept emphasi will mission approach that produc signific advanc apollo judg afford present era sever constrain budget potomac room lunch guest speaker john young nasa special assist and astronaut washington room intern polici outlook ian pryke invit esa washington offic prevail situat respect intern space commit insight into precondit for european entri into agreement requir for cooper lunar program afternoon plenari session present scientif object benefit and applic emphasi will scientif and technolog lunar program and timeli registr form and fee mail address american institut aeronaut and astronaut dept washington and fax you can regist site aiaa annual meet and fridai morn sound interest bad can steven davi daviss sweetpea jsc nasa gov mcdonnel dougla don repres space system compani houston divis
sci.space	space station radio commerci polit cultur item radio station wgm washington classic music station larg audienc high offici elect and imagin radio station that advertis merced benz diamond jewelri expens resort and truthfulli trident submarin thi morn heard commerci for space station project didn catch advertis guess pull stop chuck divin
sci.space	scienc new articl feder pointer articl current scienc new articl feder fund briefli shift gain current competit advantag thing militari and work that not commerci util chuck divin
sci.space	not give billion year long moon resid articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write articl theporch raider net gene theporch raider net gene wright write continuin talk end space ag and complaint govern larg cost not read that work announc that reward billion corpor successfulli person aliv moon for year you inexpens not popular technolog begin develop kind space race gene theporch raider net gene wright theporch raider net macinterest nashvil that true for friend pool resourc and make prize kind liek solar car race australia game for contest michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack gee billion dollar that cover cost feasabl studi happi happi joi joi peter schaefer
sci.space	last call wizard posit tandem cupertino respons and interview interest respond case post overlook incred talent person mea culpa for post thi for mike for special tandem comput for softwar wizard architect implement fault toler gener instrument subsystem part proprietari oper system kernel tn kernel tn kernel proprietari loos coupl parallel messag base oper system tn kernel wide connect open standard thi kei individu contributor role you will work develop work compon transact manag facil your background encompass categori excel categori math work knowledg statist real analysi us experiment physic chemistri engin categori work knowledg telemetri issu time seri autocorrel and statist correl data stream categori integr test instrument system test payload flight modul etc categori softwar engin program skill algorithm and system softwar techniqu send your resum mike fleic tandem comput ridgeview loc cupertino fax mail fleic mike tandem
sci.space	confer man lunar explor crystal citi articl apr aio jsc nasa gov daviss sweetpea jsc nasa gov davi write articl quul access digex net prb access digex pat write had blurb man lunar explor confernc crystal citi virginia auspic aiaa thi attend select excerpt invit registr form retyp permiss typo mine for type that steven sound fall back and regroup strategi session want add that copi brochur arriv flatter cover letter invit extend demonstr strong committ space program develop and influenti advanc sincer hope you will attend wow contribut conquest space convinc send thi letter hope you decid pat net can us ey and ear bill higgin can put man moon can fermilab put man moon bill engfer higgin fnal fnal gov can put man moon can higgin fnal bitnet put woman moon bill higgin
sci.space	scienc new articl feder articl skate gsfc nasa gov xrcjd resolv gsfc nasa gov charl divin write pointer articl current scienc new articl feder fund briefli shift gain current competit advantag thing militari and work that not commerci util chuck divin gulp disclaim thi opinion mine and not repres view fermilab univers research associ depart energi ward regular scienc fiction organ zap bill higgin fermi nation acceler laboratori bitnet higgin fnal bitnet internet higgin fnal fnal gov span hepnet higgin
sci.space	space debri keesler loftu potter stansberi kubriek gue keesler not ring bell involv ago keesler langlei teach space debri and memori not fai even refer book subject egalon larc nasa gov claudio oliveira egalon
sci.space	cold ga tank for sound rocket articl eagl ukc rdl ukc lorenz write size cold ga roll control thruster tank for sound rocket you work cold ga you make tank big sound rocket payload telemetri guidanc etc etc and telescop cluster weigh pound freon jet for steer and puls width modul control for align minut space jet pretti continu fire duti cycl jet kill residu angular momentum spin stabil and flip payload sun two freon tank each hold liter freon speak memori last flight ground crew wsmr choos freon us base black magic algorithm extra tank modul that bolt into payload stack thi give you idea order magnitud for cold ga quantiti you send email and you touch ground crew peopl cheer craig don drink soap dilut dilut
sci.space	stereo pix planet can find stereo imag planetari and planetari satellit surfac gif prefer will interest stereo surfac phobo deimo mar and moon that order
sci.space	not give billion year long moon resid articl theporch raider net gene theporch raider net gene wright write announc that reward billion corpor successfulli person aliv moon for year and offer problem keep aliv highli like involv lunar environ dear freighter land roof acm base and di sad gosh that leav oldest resid quick boss slime yoyodyn back and thi time tank man gun imagin sort technolog develop that sort environ greg kid btw problem winner take prize that encourag sort undesir behaviour wit militari procur program and small reward encourag expens and high risk proposit gregori bond gnb bby burdett buckeridg young melbourn australia knox slick fox sox knox box knox box quick plai lot lsl sick apolog john iron bar mackin
sci.space	confer man lunar explor crystal citi prb access digex pat write had blurb man lunar explor confernc crystal citi virginia auspic aiaa thi attend good summari post want add anoth comment remeb read comment that gener dynam ti into thi connect propos for earli man land don rember heard thi fairli reput thi angl hrumph didn send josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu find make attribut hannib
sci.space	biospher articl almaden ibm nicho vnet ibm write access digex net pat write work privat fund data belong sbv don georg fred scoriat ibm research divis for not releas data publish plenti kiddo you never you didn publish that data you don publish and that scoriat you for case ibm research publish plenti you end nobel prize last year that project deem compani confidenti att bell lab lot stuff privat karamankar algorithm privat moeni entitl pleas bound law and for keeper templ scienc shove pointi head conic shape posterior orific pat read articl karl fehrabend
sci.space	address mail address for compani specif address for personnel offic bureau compani amroc orbit scienc corp spacehab inc thi seattl part space industri inc houston space enterpris inc point direct thi appreci prefer email respons will post summari suffici interest exist mitch jmcocker eo ncsu edu
sci.space	not give billion year long moon resid articl apr bby gnb leo bby gregori bond write articl theporch raider net gene theporch raider net gene wright write announc that reward billion corpor successfulli person aliv moon for year and offer problem keep aliv highli like involv lunar environ dear freighter land roof acm base and di sad gosh that leav oldest resid quick boss slime yoyodyn back and thi time tank man gun imagin sort technolog develop that sort environ greg kid btw problem winner take prize that encourag sort undesir behaviour wit militari procur program and small reward encourag expens and high risk proposit gregori bond gnb bby burdett buckeridg young melbourn australia hei dad hangar and judi rocket attic put lunar program sound good plai game reason reward compani reason shot pull such feat budget reward come time limit straight cash monei award throw exclus mine right for fifti year you idea plai don clue answer tom freebairn refus understand math will never checkbook figur
sci.space	doubl sonic boom time you read shuttl land mention doubl sonic boom relev class idea come convinc exactli time pheneomenon constant superson shockwav that constantli produc plane you hear you carlo niederstrass two thing infinit princeton planetari societi univers and human stupid and not einstein carlosn phoenix princeton edu space phoenix princeton edu astra per ardua nostra
sci.space	magellan updat apr kelvin jpl nasa gov baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov ron baalk write forward doug griffith magellan project manag magellan statu report april magellan complet orbit venu and dai end cycl and start transit experi miss bit info thi transit experi mondai morn april moon will occult venu and interrupt track magellan for minut will thi mean loss data will magellan transmit data btw will nasa cut connect magellan not that forward that dai curiou had fund gover fund that for you gui jurriaan jhwitten ruu jurriaan wittenberg depart computersci utrecht netherland
sci.space	for research write scienc fiction script and for answer question moon and earth start point imposs situat check professor berkelei and respons help can happen you enjoi plai unusu idea and will answer question contact mail jennis dgi extrem annoi screen and tele plai ignor basic fact comput that determin scientif accur can for vagu protect idea can readi sell hopefulli jennis
sci.space	for research addendum forgot thi sight get new two week kind that respons directli lot jennis jennis dgi
sci.space	arian mission data arianespac flight flight origin intend carri hugh seri galaxi satellit payload withdrawn prior flight arian launch schedul place astra and arsen satellit into improv geostationari transfer orbit gto inclin reduc degre and apoge altitud increas thi will launch arian and configur liquid strap booster pal will launch newli refurbish arian launch complex ela kourou french guiana launch vehicl perform requir for thi mission repres satellit mass total vehicl mass liftoff requir orbit characterist perige altitud apoge altitud inject inclin degre arian lift for flight schedul thursdai april launch window kourou time gmt washington launch vehicl arian thi stage liquid fuel launcher two liquid fuel strap booster stage built aerospatial and power liquid fuel vike engin second stage built mbb erno and power singl vike engin vike and engin manufactur sep and second stage us biliquid fuel stage built aerospatial and power cryogen fuel engin built sep two strap booster pal each power vike engin built sep us biliquid fuel and second stage fulli assembl launch vehicl stand meter high pad type arian short payload fair flight profil liquid strap booster jettison stage separ second stage ignit fair jettison second stage separ stage ignit stage shutdown orbit inject astra separ cyclad adapt separ arsen separ end arian mission payload astra spacecraft fleet societ europeenn de satellit broadcast direct home europ built hugh will second launch arian total mass lift mass geo insert dry mass board power end life nomin lifetim year span solar panel orbit posit degre east africa transmiss capac channel band transpond flight oper solar arrai deploy dai lift apoge motor fire hour lift apoge arsen spacecraft built european space industri for benefit world amateur radio commun total mass lift mass geo insert dry mass board power end life nomin lifetim year spacecraft dimens orbit paramet inclin period transmiss capac band transpond ghz vhf uhf mhz launch coverag arian mission broadcast live satellit kourou coverag begin minut launch and continu payload deploi thi mission will like carri galaxi galaxi anoth satellit european satellit us for arian coverag dean adam
sci.space	stereo pix planet articl apr csu edu arthurc sfsuvax sfsu edu arthur chandler write can find stereo imag planetari and planetari satellit surfac gif prefer will interest stereo surfac phobo deimo mar and moon that order am arc nasa gov not subdirectori thou michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack gif area space and info
sci.space	not give billion year long moon resid apr indyvax iupui edu tffreeba indyvax iupui edu write plai game reason reward compani reason shot pull such feat budget reward come time limit straight cash monei award throw exclus mine right for fifti year you idea cash award time limit nice you can give mine right assum mine you don sig file string greg nichol nicho vnet ibm busi nicho olympu demon privat
sci.space	not give billion year long moon resid articl qve kinnpa sal sun usc edu schaefer sal sun usc edu peter schaefer write announc that reward billion corpor successfulli person aliv moon for year gee billion dollar that cover cost feasabl studi happi happi joi joi depend you assum exist work ssto billion put quarter million pound stuff moon that mass send equip make lox for transfer vehicl you send lot lot need thi prize isn big warrent develop ssto vehicl exist allen ladi astor sir you husband poison your coffe churchil madam you wife drink dai flight dcx
sci.space	moon coloni prize race billion total prize and such class such larg corp small corp compani base report earn larg govern gnp and such small governemtn polit clout gnp larg organ planetari societi and such small organ alot small org organ thing profit liek thi mean prize larger basic make prize total purs billion divid amngst class winner fair seper organ set monitor event umpir and such and watch for safeti violat not peopel want risk thier live idea michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	read sci space netnew articl ljg cmu edu mwm cmu edu mark maimon write articl permanet org mark prado permanet org mark prado write sci space doesn internet feed cryptic internet feed will feed kudo mark for gener offer exist larg email base forward system for sci space post space digest mirror sci space exactli and simpl two commun mark talk make peopl didn email place boston area sci space feed honest gosh weird offlin malread hand login boston chapter nss forget attend question comment space request isu isunet edu mark maimon phone carnegi mellon comput scienc email mwm cmu edu richard nickl rick trystro bi trystro rick somervil massachusett
sci.space	ussr had reach moon articl apr gari gari coffman articl saundrsg qucdn queensu graydon saundrsg qucdn queensu write thi turn into moonbas good for and not post hundr odd post that real reason moon base econom sinc space industri will presum larger gnp space industri eventu will simpli afford stuff read you you essenc that larger economi nation will discretionari fund wast lunar facil that partial case apollo real lunar coloni will requir continu militari scientif commerci reason for monei not approach assum that won moon base make profit that larger gnp lead spend monei your militari includ gosh wow space stuff assum profit pai for conceiv that luna will militari purpos that luna will commerci purpos like that luna will scientif purpos for hundr year lunar base predic fund level found for antarct base can you put person base moon for million year even you us grad student you run for that put you coupl centuri will signific commer activ moon graydon
sci.space	updat articl schumach convex convex schumach convex richard schumach write sub orbit version suitabl will for us reuseabl sound rocket todai isn suitabl for thi followon sdio fund will reusabl sound rocket sdio goal ghod had thought that spacelift bastard son nl lot and report due favor insid bush brief peopl and pai public support critic polit you constant pressur elect offici allen ladi astor sir you husband poison your coffe churchil madam you wife drink dai flight dcx
sci.space	updat articl ugo angu org dragon angu org write exactli will hover test earli mid june and will network carri want that public will carri not write and you can reach nation new media abc world new tonight face nation west street cb new york street washington associ press good morn america rockefel plaza abc new york broadwai nation desk york foreign desk washington bureau larri king live cb even new cnn street massachusett avenu york washington cb thi morn larri king show radio street mutual broadcast york jefferson davi highwai arlington christian scienc monitor csm publish societi lo angel time norwai street time mirror squar boston lo angel cnn macneil lehrer newshour cnn center box box washington atlanta macneil lehrer newshour cnn wnet washington bureau street massachusett avenu york washington crossfir nbc new cnn nebraska avenu massachusett avenu washington washington fax morn edit thing consid nation public radio street washington unit press intern ey street washington york time new world report street street york washington york time usa todai washington bureau wilson boulevard ey street floor arlington washington newsweek wall street journal madison avenu liberti street york york nightlin washington post abc new street street washington york nightlin washington week review ted koppel weta abc new box desal washington washington thi week david brinklei abc new desal washington time magazin time warner inc time life build rockefel center york ladi astor sir you husband poison your coffe churchil madam you wife drink dai flight dcx
sci.space	jemison star trek newspap last night that mae jemison black woman space physician and chemic engin flew endeavour last year will transport oper star trek gener episod that air week space scienc interest doug loss
sci.space	russian email contact reach peopl iki institut for space research moscow write ikimail esoc bitnet thi machin esa darmstadt germani iki dedic phone line thi machin and log regularli retriev mail addit user account belong russian scientif institut user sovam commerci enterpris base san francisco that email servic ussr for exampl fian sovam physic institut academi scienc initi transliter russian connect cost russian real dollar even for receiv messag don send volumin frivil larri addario nation radio astronomi observatori address internet ldaddari nrao edu fax charlottesvil green bank mail ivi road charlottesvil usa phone offic home cho lab apt
sci.space	messag space digest joint press releas esa pari april esa joint train satellit applic held itali april unit nation and european space agenc esa jointli organis train applic satellit data gather european remot sens satellit er held frascati itali april train will discuss applic satellit data natur resourc renew energi and environ train organis for benefit francophon african expert will host esrin european space agenc establish frascati respons for coordin user data esa remot sens satellit twenti expert field remot sens select francophon countri northern western and central africa and region african centr will attend two week session will focu remot sens techniqu and data applic er data er satellit develop esa and launch european arian launcher carri advanc radar instrument and seri radar remot sens mission that will ensur avail data year aim train increas potenti expert practic applic radar remot sens system natur resourc renew energi and environ emphasi applic geologi and miner prospect oceanographi and coastal area agricultur forestri and meteorolog educ and practic train programm develop jointli unit nation and esa facil and technic support lectur and inform document for train will provid agenc lectur train will includ high level expert european and african organis activ remot sens applic fund for train provid unit nation trust fund for and renew sourc energi primari contributor that fund govern itali similar train plan for latin american expert
sci.space	magellan updat articl apr ruu jhwitten ruu jurriaan wittenberg write apr kelvin jpl nasa gov baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov ron baalk write mondai morn april moon will occult venu and interrupt track magellan for minut will thi mean loss data will magellan transmit data graviti data collect real time and not record tape record you collect graviti orbit real data loss moon block transmiss for short btw will nasa cut connect magellan not that forward that dai curiou had fund gover fund aerobrak start and expect last dai fund provid million dollar extend mission for high resolut graviti data mission will last octob mission will end thi come juli ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar and part veget
sci.space	confer man lunar explor crystal citi articl rhoc fty new cso uiuc edu jbh uxa cso uiuc edu josh hopkin write remeb read comment that gener dynam ti into thi connect propos for earli man land don rember heard thi fairli reput thi angl gener chairman paul bialla offici gener dynam emphasi scale fast plan put peopl moon impoverish spaceflight fund climat you golden opportun lot precusor work for modest monei agress seri robot spacecraft not hint thi brochur hrumph didn send you not hang peopl appar bill higgin beam jockei gonna write song fermilab write song bitnet higgin fnal bitnet that make gui detroit internet higgin fnal fnal gov draw car span hepnet higgin put tailfin john prine
sci.space	read sci space articl qkmkiinnep mojo eng umd edu sysmgr king eng umd edu doug mohnei write articl apr mksol dseg pyron skndiv dseg dillon pyron write two henri fred tommi and mari yeah thi isn real name bald head space babi damn you drink beer robert mcelwan park lot mart softwar engin that militari intellig isn sysmgr cadlab eng umd edu tore kmart hous put suptermarket heard that beer drink ghost haunt place tom like thi read ago data sheet hsn nuclear event detector ned sens gamma radiat puls nuclear weapon wouldn notic
sci.space	solar sail data articl apr new duc auburn edu snydefj eng auburn edu write for inform project involv solar sail interest seminar work space scienc dept thi subject specif small scale solar sail propos student space project gui give talk keen gener interest project typein handout gave meet microlight solar sail introduct solar sail establish concept har pressur sunlight spacecraft unlimit rang principl such vehicl explor solar system fuel consumpt difficult design practic solar sail peopl realiz pressur sunlight kilogram per squar kilomet deploi and control larg area alumin fabric transport convent type spacecraft daunt task thi despit potenti hte idea such craft launch date design recent advanc microelectron make concept tini sail metr diamet control pure electron mechan part attitud control method feasibl for exampl pressur sunlight exert panel solar cell vari whether power drawn kei compon craft will minut ccd camera develop edinburgh univers can act attitud sensor and data gather devic solar cell provid watt power for control and commun and direct radio antenna etch surfac sail launch piggyback payload total cost mission can limit ten thousand dollar mission craft capabl ambiti mission for exampl rendezv nearbi asteroid apollo amor group closeup pictur transmit back earth low bit rate steer into lunar polar orbit previous unobserv area lunar pole view angl sail reflect sunlight polar crater base never receiv sunlight imag bright reflect confirm that volatil such water ic becom trap locat immens valuabl inform for set man lunar base btw rendezv small asteroid comet nucleu impact low speed thin wire probe attach craft rebound captur tini sampl sharp edg tube perform biopsi return earth sail act ideal entri parachut load per unit area ensur that heat reradi efect that sail temperatur cannot exce deg materi sampl recov enclos small insul contain contact colin jack tel oxford mathemat design high street oxford england thi gui love hear interest thi project seek detail and happi send you inform andi andi jonathan broderick come that rutherford lab life and full mail ajjb adam bnsc jesu christ
sci.space	not give billion year long moon resid articl apr iti org aw iti org allen sherzer write thi prize isn big warrent develop ssto vehicl exist peopl will you that ssto develop privat cut rate oper optimist you can assum that work ssto applic that pai for develop cost inclin make prize somewhat larger work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	space activ tucson find space engin employ and educ opportun tucson arizona area mail respons appreci mail feed intermitt address ben muniz munizb rwtm decnet beach rockwel bmuniz tm remnet munizb rwtm decnet consrt rockwel
sci.space	ussr had reach moon articl saundrsg qucdn queensu graydon saundrsg qucdn queensu write articl apr gari gari coffman conceiv that luna will militari purpos that luna will commerci purpos like that luna will scientif purpos for hundr year lunar base predic fund level found for antarct base can you put person base moon for million year even you us grad student you run for that put you coupl centuri will signific commer activ moon wish think like that moon will never site major commerci activ materi can cheaper earth asteroid and comet semi mythic that low grade fusion reactor explor satisfi curios itch and posit graviti earth coupl heat sink capac offer militari util for high ground militari weapon system hold minut commerci space travel becom cheap becom tourist attract everest and antarct becom that minor activ global scope thing luna inconvien graviti field like low prevent calcium loss muscl atrophi and long term genet drift high micro manufactur space base coloni and factori that can spun convien luna modest vacuum and raw solar exposur two week month orbit site can vacuum and contin solar exposur luna offer sourc light element rock that can serv raw materi heatsink and shield asteroid and comet offer sourc light and heavi element and volatil compound and steep graviti well that delta requir reach don us rd earth seafloor and virtual ignor antarctica contin that don deal condit order make buck luna expens place visit live and work us easier place that push lunar develop back centuri not longer luna main short term place for farsid radio astronomi observatori shield noisi earth site laser particl beam linear acceler weapon system for defend earth bombard case high cost for such basic scienc instrument second convent nuke good and militari earth safe for convent warfar glori watch bunker machin fight each continent rang ultim profit gari gari coffman you make gatech mei gari destruct test system break uunet rsiatl gari shannon guarante emori gari lawrencevil
sci.space	ussr had reach moon articl qiv cmu edu nickh cmu edu nick hain write articl apr gari gari coffman write read you you essenc that larger economi nation will discretionari fund wast lunar facil that partial case apollo real lunar coloni will requir continu militari scientif commerci reason for monei not approach point that monei spent lunar base not wast moon not bill fuel moon dozer monei fund lunar base spent countri base belong fund high tech research darpa good excus fund field research pretens that crucial defens countri esprit good excus for fund research pretens that good for pan european cooper you that govern fund research wast monei fact pretti you count invest spend boost economi and size that multipli favor govern fund research pump prime for lot basic technolog understand short term high tech welfar program can substitut for long rang wealth gener commerci enterpris that need maintain healthi economi anywher earth luna don that long term potenti luna due bunch factor outlin anoth post gari gari coffman you make gatech mei gari destruct test system break uunet rsiatl gari shannon guarante emori gari lawrencevil
sci.space	spacewalk time specul that spacewalk alexei leonov stage fake evid support contradict thi claim emerg thi claim perhap anoth fever cold war hallucin fred baub time intellectu ferment baub optiplan advantag intellect includ disclaim ferment frank zappa pari retrospect time
sci.space	moonbas race gene wright gene theporch raider net continuin talk end space ag and complaint govern larg cost not read that work announc that reward billion corpor successfulli person aliv moon for year you inexpens not popular technolog begin develop kind space race imagin that coupl group land week apart year mark start come for group isn billion pretti good incent shot potenti winner yeah that shame that team life support gave close deadlin for billion hand apollo cost billion for dai week space dollar won reward lot billion taker tommi mac tom mcwilliam radiu vision increas ibm msu edu circumfer mysteri grow
sci.space	level nick hain sez that heard shuttl softwar rate level matur strongli doubt that thi lot bug case level level never heard thi rate system care clue tommi mac tom mcwilliam radiu vision increas ibm msu edu circumfer mysteri grow
sci.space	orion drive vacuum articl qvjc zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write nation air space museum prototyp and film quit possibl longer displai nasm museum stuff can displai onc and rotat displai occasion nasm photo archiv open public almost pictur collect for view don film worth not appoint not good luck and you find steve willner phone bitnet willner cfa cambridg usa internet willner cfa harvard edu member leagu for program freedom contact lpf uunet net
sci.space	moon coloni prize race billion total articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write prize and such class such larg corp small corp compani base report earn larg govern gnp and such small governemtn polit clout gnp larg organ planetari societi and such small organ alot small org whatabout school univers rich individu peopl million dollar each reeciev mail peopl claim person into space for per pound send skinni person into space and split rest monei ground crew organ thing profit liek thi mean prize larger basic make prize total purs billion divid amngst class winner fair seper organ set monitor event umpir and such and watch for safeti violat not peopel want risk thier live agre volunt for attempt claus launch method danger environ our usag materi area planetari import idea thi talk lobbi peopl major problem space programm talk paperwork and action michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack marvin batti djf cov cck and not find thing sort rafia base that father put night clock
sci.space	confer man lunar explor crystal citi higgin fnalf fnal gov bill higgin beam jockei write josh hopkin write remeb read comment that gener dynam ti into thi connect propos for earli man land gener chairman paul bialla offici gener dynam emphasi scale fast plan put peopl moon impoverish spaceflight fund climat you golden opportun lot precusor work for modest monei agress seri robot spacecraft not hint thi brochur that didn mention that haven thought vagu impress mission propos that weren take holist aproach thing want land peopl moon end decad explain onc applic rememb week articl place telescop moon that great don explain can robot hrumph didn send you not hang peopl appar member bill hang you josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu find make attribut hannib
sci.space	solar sail data ajjb adam bnsc andrew broderick write articl apr new duc auburn edu snydefj eng auburn edu write for inform project involv solar sail interest seminar work space scienc dept thi subject specif small scale solar sail propos student space project gui give talk keen gener interest project typein handout gave meet stuff delet difficult design practic solar sail peopl realiz pressur sunlight kilogram per squar kilomet glad that work thi nice unit josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu find make attribut hannib
sci.space	solar sail data articl apr new duc auburn edu snydefj eng auburn edu frank snyder write for inform project involv solar sail group involv such project contact world space foundat list sci space frequent ask question file excerpt world space foundat design and build solar sail spacecraft for longer similar group jpl employe lend talent thi project wsf partial fund for palomar sky survei extrem success search for earth asteroid publish foundat new and foundat astronaut notebook each quarterli page newslett contribut associ minimum year monei support project world space foundat post offic box south pasadena california wsf put togeth paperback antholog fiction and nonfict solar sail project solar sail robert staehl david brin arthur clark list editor nontechn book solar sail loui friedman technic gui name escap josh and expect that greg matloff and eugen mallov subject starflight handbook quit refer check articl journal british interplanetari societi can you guess that matloff visit fermilab and gave bunch reprint found file and eric drexler paper high perform solar sail and relat reflect devic aiaa paper book call space manufactur proceed second confer space manufactur rate submarin fly boat robot talk bill higgin pictur radio televis bounc radar fermilab vibrat moon rocket ship and higgin fnal bitnet atom split time higgin fnal fnal gov figur music span higgin holder for march piccolo player meredith willson
sci.space	keep spacecraft fund cut spacecraft shut fund cut for exampl couldn magellan told into safe mode and stai bob venu low power us mode and year fund get restor economi get hopefulli turn for that matter exactli apollo lunar experi turn safe polit us bug congress for fund turn peski scientist bureaucrat hair heard argument that activ uncontrol spacecraft radio nois find that hard that thi problem properli design safe mode thi safe mode program routin spacecraft fuel orient and onc week month year attempt signal lock earth that time fund restor mission can continu signal reciev spacecraft back safe mode for anoth time period spacecraft contact earth prepar anoth spacecraft attempt contact beam store data earth can receiv great not lost and big deal make time and signal locat gener perhap world and will intercept data even not will contact spacecraft thi for spacecraft long life and place unaccess jupit saturn orbit exit solar system etc perhap design futur spacecraft cassini pluto flybi etc design paus mode case spacecraft get futur complet primari mission perhap mar observ and galilleo kind routin written for post mission drift phase hole thi jame green jgreen obo calpoli edu that thi nation commit achiev goal thi decad land man moon and return safe earth john kennedi
sci.space	commerci mine activ moon articl apr gari gari coffman write site major commerci activ materi can cheaper earth asteroid and comet semi mythic that low grade fusion reactor don low grade fusion reactor major problem difficulti make fusion reactor work that concentr lunar regolith small order ppb averag fraction small massiv amount regolith process thi thread remind wingo claim time ago moon sourc titanium for us earth recal wingo wasn content assur that titanium earth crust averag not run and tout lunar mine even market price ilmenit concentr dai pound thi prompt larg potenti terrestri sourc moon titanium occur basalt high basalt apollo and titanium dioxid weight thi nice terrestri continent flood basalt typic enrich titanium tio frequent and sometim even tio weight flood basalt enorm million cubic kilomet scatter world siberia brazil unit state ethiopia etc even basalt tio thi trillion ton tio concentr factor lunar high basalt difficult disadvantag moon overcom such small increas concentr or never mind richer common terrestri or mine todai paul dietz dietz rochest edu
sci.space	keep spacecraft fund cut articl apr zeu calpoli edu jgreen trumpet calpoli edu jame thoma green write spacecraft shut fund cut for exampl couldn magellan told into safe mode and stai bob venu low power us mode and year fund get restor economi get hopefulli turn can problem polit not technic ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar and part veget
sci.space	orion drive vacuum articl apr head cfa harvard edu willner head cfa harvard edu steve willner write nasm photo archiv open public almost pictur collect for view don film worth not appoint not posibl make copi photograph aerospac photograph nasm you pai copyright fee andr gaeri live exampl applic newton junior laser fusion zeroth law aga lle rochest edu bodi rest remain bed
sci.space	comet temporari orbit jupit jgarland kean uc mun write perihelion gehrel april jupit radii august jupit radii jupit radiu figur perijov that case for figur perijov not us talk thi languag hmmmm prefix peri greek not latin us greek form name bodi orbit that perihelion perisol perige periterr and pericynthion perilun for jupit expect perizeon bob bob robert coe churchil sudburi massachusett
sci.space	proton centaur look into possibl proton centaur combo benefit and problem such combo obviou instabl xssr jame green jgreen obo calpoli edu you you understand that you not that you realiz that not meant
sci.space	commerci mine activ moon articl apr rochest edu dietz rochest edu paul dietz write articl apr gari gari coffman write site major commerci activ materi can cheaper earth asteroid and comet semi mythic that low grade fusion reactor problem difficulti make fusion reactor work that concentr lunar regolith small order ppb averag thi thread remind wingo claim time ago moon sourc titanium for us earth recal wingo wasn even basalt tio thi trillion ton tio concentr factor lunar high basalt difficult disadvantag moon overcom such small increas concentr or never mind richer common terrestri or mine todai paul obviou onc chlorin chemistri ban earth advoc group price will sharpli increas not allow assum develop process lunar will emin competit for trendi jewelri market and applic nation import oop thi sci space wrong rule debat flaw gari analysi that assum export orient economi lunat will want nativ for local us lunar nativ cost effect analysi shown will critic provid shelter manufactur base technolog innov critic materi and manpow war alli and central power two hundr year steinn sigurdsson two shoot star last night lick observatori wish satellit steinli lick ucsc edu wrong space hardwar standard disclaim you care
sci.space	commerci mine activ moon articl steinli apr topaz ucsc edu steinli topaz ucsc edu steinn sigurdsson write paul obviou onc chlorin chemistri ban earth advoc group price will sharpli increas not allow assum develop process lunar will emin competit for trendi jewelri market and applic nation import sulfat process for tio purif chlorin process cleaner and for that reason achiev domin marketplac us pigment btw oxid replac white lead pigment decad ago reduc metal flaw gari analysi that assum export orient economi lunat will want nativ for local us evad issu lunat and children want stai paul dietz dietz rochest edu
sci.space	gif show fil iastat edu dougla fil write articl qgiah new cerf net diaspar nic cerf net diaspar virtual realiti network write rollout great and lot great shot attend press brief and shot model david mitchel david you plane scan and post hope hope hope you that great for report rollout care doug rollout pai attent new gif head for wuarchiv patrick patrick gradi manag human begin pwg uxa cso uiuc edu each time innoc end pwg sumter cso uiuc edu blood hand fathertre bugger card xenocid
sci.space	commerci mine activ moon articl apr rochest edu dietz rochest edu paul dietz write articl steinli apr topaz ucsc edu steinli topaz ucsc edu steinn sigurdsson write paul obviou onc chlorin chemistri ban earth advoc group price will sulfat process for tio purif chlorin process cleaner and for that reason achiev domin marketplac darn caught white hot heat technolog progress us pigment btw oxid replac white lead pigment decad ago reduc metal spoilsport for increas fashion emphasi anodis jewelri flaw gari analysi that assum export orient economi lunat will want nativ for local us evad issu lunat and children want stai not evad issu state that thi diabol foresight establish shelter industri base for upcom great war cost effect you us account method steinn sigurdsson lick observatori steinli lick ucsc edu standard disclaim love strang and you learn crunchi smooth suppos
sci.space	not give billion year articl zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write articl apr iti org aw iti org allen sherzer write thi prize isn big warrent develop ssto vehicl exist peopl will you that ssto develop privat cut rate oper optimist you can assum that work ssto applic that pai for develop cost inclin make prize somewhat larger thi sound that indec propos movi wouldn lot peopl that thi hope work dough you chanc and cost you mil you pai stoog grand your lucki hero send dozen and bound surviv make you rich dong
sci.space	vandal sky articl apr sci physic research opinion fridai april washington space billboard thi spinoff promis scienc fiction writer robert heinlein publish man sold moon involv disput sale right moon for us billboard nasa firstep thi hideou vision futur observ startl thi spring nasa launch vehicl arriv pad schwarzenegg paint huge block letter side booster rocket space market inc had arrang for promot arnold latest movi space market work univers colorado and livermor engin plan place mile long inflat billboard low earth orbit nasa provid contractu launch servic sinc nasa base charg flaw cost estim mar taxpay bear expens thi environment vandal mike lawson ceo space market told yesterdai that real purpos project environ platform will carri ozon monitor explain advertis defrai cost you thi revolt and hideou attempt vandal night sky not even april anymor light pollut observ read that even visibl dai leav alon night nasa support thi junk protest group organ state depress enzo vincenzo liguori enzo research canon canon inform system research australia phone box north ryde nsw fax
sci.space	astronomi program articl galaxi ucr edu datadec ucrengr ucr edu kevin marcu write public domain sharewar astronomi program will map sky time and you locat planet nebula and ftp site can post public domain msdo program sunlight zip sci astro yesterdai easili locat sun moon and planet and can us locat object you input asces and declin us uudecod extract robert sheaffer scepticu maximu sheaffer netcom past chairman bai area skeptic for speak author marxism and femin and that marxism heidi hartmann and ami bridg quot catharin mackinnon chapter feminist theori state
sci.space	solar sail data higgin fnalf fnal gov bill higgin beam jockei write snydefj eng auburn edu frank snyder write for inform project involv solar sail group involv such project bill nontechn book solar sail loui friedman technic gui name escap josh presum you refer space sail jerom wright work solar sail jpl and ceo gener astronaut furnish order info request friedman book call starsail solar sail and interstellar travel planetari societi year ago don josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu find make attribut hannib
sci.space	proton centaur articl apr zeu calpoli edu jgreen trumpet calpoli edu jame thoma green write look into possibl proton centaur combo don lot proton that multi stage rocket stage not centaur end beat centaur centaur not small proton overs shroud you not centaur denni you thi pat
sci.space	boom whoosh and prof chief engin for project ron humbl univ colorado colorado spring love idea inflat mile long sign will neat thing explod bolt even westford needl come crash into click sec boom whooooooooshhhhhh sputter sputter pretend make sound hear insert favorit rumor that will supposedli coincid atlanta olymp fuzzi david fuzzi well want peac earth afspacecom cna goodwil men debri govern don that ack wdwell esprit ucc edu that sort thing sneaker
sci.space	not give billion year long moon resid articl apr iti org aw iti org allen sherzer write articl qve kinnpa sal sun usc edu schaefer sal sun usc edu peter schaefer write announc that reward billion corpor successfulli person aliv moon for year gee billion dollar that cover cost feasabl studi happi happi joi joi depend you assum exist work ssto billion put quarter million pound stuff moon that mass send equip make lox for transfer vehicl you send lot lot need thi prize isn big warrent develop ssto vehicl exist allen ladi astor sir you husband poison your coffe churchil madam you wife drink dai flight dcx class competetor and made total purs billion billion depend class auto race motocycl race and such thing michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	keep spacecraft fund cut bird requir constant manag for surviv point sensor sun even power burn point parabol antenna sol venu orbit trash foci element even you teh bird drift hose cosmic phenomena pat
sci.space	jemison star trek articl ec cmu edu loss ec cmu edu doug loss write newspap last night that mae jemison black woman space physician and chemic engin flew endeavour last year will transport oper star trek gener episod that air week space scienc interest doug loss interest rigth will make mention astronaut credit peopl connect futur space present and give idea that into space michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	not give billion year articl szvl oakhil sp mot dong oakhil sp mot write inclin make prize somewhat larger thi sound that indec propos movi wouldn lot peopl that thi hope work dough you chanc and cost you mil you pai stoog grand your lucki hero send dozen and bound surviv make you rich prize thi word carefulli that you cannot demonstr sustain and reliabl capabl lucki shot can work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	moonbas race articl cmu edu msu edu tom write hand apollo cost billion for dai week space dollar won reward lot billion taker apollo hard big hurri limit technolog base and govern contract privat govern project cut cost factor work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	sunris sunset time for program algorithm that can us comput sunris and sunset time advic joe wetstein jpw coe drexel edu
sci.space	vandal sky articl research canon enzo research canon enzo liguori write articl apr sci physic research opinion fridai april washington space billboard thi spinoff promis light pollut observ read that even visibl dai leav alon night nasa support thi junk protest group organ state depress enzo wouldn worri space debri that mile long inflat deflat short period time year clean leo somewhat sort giant fly paper orbit hmm that for advertis not nasa friend and spent drunken night figur exactli gold mylar put golden arch american fast food organ face moon fortun sober morn todd
sci.space	lunar coloni race group size prefer small send human moon set habit and human spend earth year moon that mean resuppli find atleast billion for prize monei contest open class particip mexico state semi challeng univers alaska branch put team togeth and univers colleg institut higher learn make counter challeng challeng anoth school idea atleast russian team prefer technolog basic idea moon race solar car race across australia atleast that basic vein endevour suggest michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	for research found offer for and will contact peopl mail jennis
sci.space	spacecraft navig beacon idea for space craft navig beacon and such not you can put safe paus mode not activ signal space craft man act naviagt beacon direct plot wierd michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	not give billion year long moon resid apollo program cost billion time dollar worth offer bruce watson wat scicom alphacdc bulletin item extract
sci.space	moonbas race hmm billion less can launch ton leo million year ton lunar surfac ton that return vehicl and fuel bigger mercuri that low two ton leav fifteen ton for man habitat and year suppli gee that sort mass margin can build system shelf for anoth hundr million top that leav million profit thi idea you gui can push make happen slightli georg william herbert retro aerospac
sci.space	vandal sky articl research canon enzo research canon enzo liguori write hideou vision futur observ startl thi spring nasa launch vehicl arriv pad schwarzenegg paint huge block letter thi opinion long stuff return earth you thi revolt and hideou attempt vandal night sky not even april anymor thi turn true time activ terror thi unbeliev peopl sell bit that promis make monei guess deserv wipe radiat folk stupid win guess that true and pure number anoth depress planetari citizen hoover uw hoover schuerkamp hoover mathematik uni bielefeld clear ski fight light pollut
sci.space	space station radio commerci articl skate gsfc nasa gov xrcjd resolv gsfc nasa gov charl divin write polit cultur item radio station wgm washington classic music station larg audienc high offici elect and imagin radio station that advertis merced benz diamond jewelri expens resort and truthfulli trident submarin thi morn heard commerci for space station project didn catch advertis guess pull stop air forc world crisi escal scale model plane question sacrif begin arriv kei senat and congressperson offic assum that coffe mug and decor junk earlier spiro spiro triantafyllopoulo kocrsv delcoelect softwar technolog delco electron hugh electron kokomo post armm
sci.space	commerci mine activ moon dietz rochest edu paul dietz write evad issu lunat and children want stai paul for reason that coloni found not charli prael dant shakala shakala bb clanzen radio network sunnyval
sci.space	boom whoosh matthew phantom gatech edu matthew deluca write articl apr mnemosyn edu wdwell nyx edu david fuzzi well write hear insert favorit rumor that will supposedli coincid atlanta olymp even wors citi atlanta propos rent space thi orbit billboard calib peopl run thi citi tell leer orbit point that easier place object orbit altitud place orbit veloc for target surfac earth you delta assum that rocket specif impuls second easi produc rocket dry weight requir fuel oxid small dispers charg embed sand birdshot depend natur structur payload project capabl amateur rocketri commun sound good scienc fair project reduct light pollut appli ballist part challeng prize discuss billion for person spend year moon million for errad orbit eyesor ccd burner wouldpledg for person bring and astronom natur lover plain peopl good tast likewis gerald bull solut simpler solut gerald bull appli us larg calib gun solut appli gerald bull us small calib gun david palmer palmer alumni caltech edu palmer tgr gsfc nasa gov
sci.space	gehrel comet temporari orbit jupit articl apr msb mark brader write peri jove gehrel final question name gehrel wasn thi thread issu scientif american articl inconst cosmo photo neil gehrel project scientist for nasa compton gamma rai observatori person guess not neil gehrel cgro son tom gehrel univers arizona sinc long had research interest asteroid and solar system astronomi tom like discov comet and had name attach tom gehrel leader spacewatch project recent increas mankind discoveri rate earth asteroid find coupl month for thi interest gui read autobiographi glassi sea you asteroid kemp bill higgin hundr thousand wander sun strang fermilab orbit never name never chart orphan solar higgin fnal fnal gov system kemp higgin fnal bitnet and you want becom father moon two span hepnet higgin
sci.space	spacecraft navig beacon nsmca aurora alaska edu write idea for space craft navig beacon and such not you can put safe paus mode not activ signal space craft man act naviagt beacon direct plot wierd michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack constel custom built navig beacon satellit process phase transit oscar satellit replac gp you think deep space navig doppler vlbi stellar measur not addit radio beacon dave stephenson geolog survei canada ottawa ontario canada internet stephen geod emr
sci.space	commerci mine activ moon articl steinli apr topaz ucsc edu steinli topaz ucsc edu steinn sigurdsson write cost effect you us account method sherzer methodolog softwar engin that militari intellig isn sysmgr cadlab eng umd edu
sci.space	moonbas race articl teik zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write apollo hard big hurri limit technolog base and govern contract privat govern project cut cost factor cost privat ventur assum you talk govern into leas you coupl pad florida softwar engin that militari intellig isn sysmgr cadlab eng umd edu
sci.space	life mar deal life mar save face and heard associ theori sound thin back mar thi face agian bui life theori don schiewer internet schiewer inland onward great inland steel inland schiewer stream
sci.space	moonbas race articl inn mojo eng umd edu sysmgr king eng umd edu write cost privat ventur assum you talk govern into leas you coupl pad florida you want that goal cheaper rememb thi isn govern leas expens launch pad us ssto and launch cheaper facil allen ladi astor sir you husband poison your coffe churchil madam you wife drink dai flight dcx
sci.space	level articl cmu edu msu edu tom write nick hain sez that heard shuttl softwar rate level matur strongli doubt that thi lot bug case level level never heard thi rate system care clue thi rate system us arpa and organis measur matur softwar process entir process softwar get design written test deliv support etc manag softwar process watt humphrei addison weslei excel softwar engin text level softwar process matur initi repeat defin manag optim level approxim character follow statist softwar process control statist basi for estim larg softwar will long will produc expens will reliabl will softwar product thi level stabl process statist control rigor project manag onc can project plan detail and softwar configur manag and qualiti assur process defin and understood implement consist thi includ thing softwar inspect rigor softwar test framework configur manag and typic softwar engin process group project statist inform softwar systemat gather and analys and process control basi thi inform softwar qualiti measur and goal defect prevent process autom softwar contract effect and certifi nick hain nickh cmu edu
sci.space	lunar coloni race articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write group size prefer small send human moon set habit and human spend earth year moon that mean resuppli find atleast billion for prize monei thought ross perot consider like win come disappoint bill gate sam walton kid matt matthew feulner qmlink draper
sci.space	level cmu edu msu edu tom write nick hain sez that heard shuttl softwar rate level matur strongli doubt that thi lot bug case level level never heard thi rate system care clue sei level highest level sei stand for softwar engin institut not that thi rate appli flight softwar mind that not achiev us sophist tool brute forc and ignor attack problem challeng standdown simpli threw hundr peopl and process hand not receiv warn statu system not us detract such rate latest copi guidelin make issu mind that sei level concern primarili control softwar process assumpt that control process will produc good softwar mind that sei level damn hard softwar thi countri produc engin practici that rate sei level that insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
sci.space	confer man lunar explor crystal citi articl rhoc fty new cso uiuc edu jbh uxa cso uiuc edu josh hopkin write remeb read comment that gener dynam ti into thi connect propos for earli man land don rember heard thi fairli reput thi angl that you mean approach articl recent avat week don rememb exact date recent allen ladi astor sir you husband poison your coffe churchil madam you wife drink dai flight dcx
sci.space	not give billion year long moon resid articl sjdp zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write thi prize isn big warrent develop ssto vehicl exist peopl will you that ssto develop privat cut rate oper optimist spite great respect for peopl you speak cost estim bit optimist noth work ssto complex larg airlin and smaller experi base that ssto develop cost typic airlin develop that put rang you can assum that work ssto applic that pai for develop cost true and contest result larger market don attract investor risk involv you gurante ssto cost and gurante that captur launch market you allen ladi astor sir you husband poison your coffe churchil madam you wife drink dai flight dcx
sci.space	lindbergh and moon not give thi talk commerci space race year moon base intrigu similar prize influenc aerospac develop orteig prize help lindbergh sell spirit saint loui ventur financi backer memori serv prize not total reimburs expens transatlant project such fokker nungess and multi engin project lindbergh ultim total cost below that amount strongli suspect that saint loui backer had foresight realiz that stake work moon sight financi backer todai layn cook cook apt mdc mcdonnel dougla space system
sci.space	life mar articl apr inland don schiewer schiewer inland write deal life mar save face and heard associ theori sound thin back mar thi face agian bui life theori alt alien visitor
sci.space	boom whoosh articl apr mnemosyn edu wdwell nyx edu david fuzzi well write hear insert favorit rumor that will supposedli coincid atlanta olymp even wors citi atlanta propos rent space thi orbit billboard calib peopl run thi citi tell leer orbit matthew deluca georgia institut technolog atlanta georgia decvax hplab ncar purdu rutger gatech prism matthew internet matthew phantom gatech edu
sci.space	lunar coloni race articl apr draper mrf egbsun nosubdomain nodomain matthew feulner write find atleast billion for prize monei thought ross perot consider like win come disappoint bill gate sam walton kid lunar societi estim cost lunar coloni mention make orbit ask jerri pournel you talk bill gate answer that sink that monei into want run and doesn time ask perot answer ross perot your board bigger problem not monei work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	life mar articl apr inland schiewer inland don schiewer write deal life mar save face and heard associ theori sound thin face accid light and shadow face landform earth artifici exclud mount rushmor and smilei face mar and kermit frog question life mundan sens bacteria not quit close odd and that orthodox exobiologist hope for fossil plan search for life back mar thi face agian mar observ approach mar will imag two face point not high prioriti take shadow half face not face will shot sun angl ruin illus work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	commerci mine activ moon articl inn mojo eng umd edu sysmgr king eng umd edu doug mohnei write articl steinli apr topaz ucsc edu steinli topaz ucsc edu steinn sigurdsson write cost effect you us account method sherzer methodolog hell not bunch suit estim cost effect not can make mind long leav scheme stabl for fiscal year two you british govern whether colonis effort america cost effect answer you you you ask and steinn sigurdsson lick observatori steinli lick ucsc edu standard disclaim you shoebury road road that motor
sci.space	level articl apr mksol dseg mccall mksol dseg fred mccall write that heard shuttl softwar rate level level mind that not achiev us sophist tool brute forc and ignor attack problem challeng standdown simpli threw hundr peopl and process hand thi inaccur base feynman account softwar develop process standdown fred basic correct sophist tool lot effort and painstak care thi challeng feynman cite softwar peopl exemplari compar engin peopl note that softwar peopl start feel manag pressur cut corner hadn had give thing softwar peopl work hard thing for major pre flight simul and consid failur simul bad flight failur result number major simul failur count hand and number flight failur fred mention thi appli flight softwar softwar that run experi typic put togeth experiment and get level tender love care experiment afford work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	navstar posit bird flake and expect die orbit major user area and need provid redund that plane orbit hicksvil and not muc user commun pat
sci.space	lindbergh and moon not give articl nuvinnjep lynx unm edu cook varmit mdc layn cook write thi talk commerci space race year moon base intrigu similar prize influenc aerospac develop orteig prize help lindbergh sell spirit saint loui ventur financi backer strongli suspect that saint loui backer had foresight realiz that stake work moon sight financi backer todai commerci transport system settl and civil area obviou spaceflight not thi posit correct analog not aviat long transocean voyag ag discoveri didn requir gov fund long potenti for profit destin practic gov fund privat that wise investor spend larg amount monei riski invest idea payoff that thrive spaceflight industri will eventu develop and larg number peopl will live and work earth you for specif justif increas resourc base can give don launch rate demand exist space industri low bring cost and dark revolutionari space industri will will practic will invest start etc keith mancu mancu butch jsc nasa gov wvr mancu sweetpea jsc nasa gov black powder and alcohol your state and citi fall your back wall lesli fish
sci.space	life mar articl zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write articl apr inland schiewer inland don schiewer write plan search for life not quit true instrument mar observ will search for potenti fossil site back mar thi face agian mar observ approach mar will imag two face point not high prioriti take shadow half face not face will shot sun angl ruin illus face and vike land site will target high resolut camera mar observ ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar and part veget
sci.space	spacewalk articl sumg cmu edu flb flb optiplan baub write time specul that spacewalk alexei leonov stage fake evid support contradict thi claim emerg thi claim perhap anoth fever cold war hallucin thi claim made spot train film footag splice into footag actual spacewalk denni newkirk dennisn ec comm mot motorola land mobil product sector schaumburg
sci.space	keep spacecraft fund cut articl apr zeu calpoli edu jgreen trumpet calpoli edu jame thoma green write spacecraft shut fund cut for exampl couldn magellan told into safe mode and stai bob venu low power us mode and year fund get restor economi get hopefulli turn consider rememb that you don turn you not thi isn case reach and flip switch spacecraft work correctli execut turn command successfulli spacecraft malfunct ag big concern not radio clutter idl spacecraft radio clutter malfunct spacecraft that can longer turn work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	proton centaur articl aii iv access digex net prb access pat write articl apr zeu calpoli edu jgreen trumpet calpoli edu jame thoma green write look into possibl proton centaur combo don lot proton that multi stage rocket stage not centaur end beat centaur proton us and stage version two stage version us for launch and stage version us todai stage version us for escap and geosynchron orbit stage version us for low earth orbit sinc thi version that launch mir and salyut and add modul for mir long centaur smaller mir fit shroud vagu recal that russian develop lox upper stage for proton chri jone clj ksr
sci.space	not give billion year long moon resid articl apr iti org aw iti org allen sherzer write articl sjdp zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write spite great respect for peopl you speak cost estim bit optimist noth work ssto complex larg airlin and smaller experi base that ssto develop cost typic airlin develop that put rang alan don forget huge cost for airlin develop faa certif joke paperwork exce teh weight airplan will fly and teh highli ambiti aero space project narrow engin budget partli didn spend paper push compani missouri fund build light commerci transport low cost basi reduc faa certif cost pat
sci.space	boom whoosh articl ofinndku gap caltech edu palmer cco caltech edu david palmer write orbit billboard point that easier place object orbit altitud place orbit veloc for target surfac earth you delta assum that rocket specif impuls second easi produc rocket dry weight requir fuel oxid you launch thi citizen you will launch permit offic commerci space transport and difficult permit for antisatellit weapon threshold ocst licens kick roughli rule phrase complex wai that result work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	inflat mile long space billboard vandal sky articl research canon enzo research canon enzo liguori write opinion fridai april washington space billboard thi spinoff promis scienc fiction writer robert heinlein publish man sold moon involv disput sale right moon for us billboard nasa firstep thi hideou vision futur observ startl thi spring nasa launch vehicl arriv pad schwarzenegg paint huge block letter side booster rocket space market inc had arrang for promot arnold latest movi you upset thi you direct thi moral outrag glavcosmo pioneer thi capitalist applic booster advert long nasa sign time soni logo soyuz launcher space market work univers colorado and livermor engin plan place mile long inflat billboard low earth orbit thi sound lowel wood involv nasa provid contractu launch servic sinc nasa base charg flaw cost estim mar taxpay bear expens thi environment vandal mike lawson ceo space market told yesterdai that real purpos project environ platform will carri ozon monitor explain advertis defrai cost thi purpos for univers colorado peopl guess that purpos for livermor peopl learn build larg inflat space structur you thi revolt and hideou attempt vandal night sky not even april anymor thi true great idea learn build build structur space essenti step space develop and that freedom appear shrink vanish point question whether nasa space station provid knowledg thi area design such faget wingless orbit chosen such project monitor ozon deplet and demonstr creativ us partial privat sector fund process nasa support thi junk and detail new blip thi project thi wild idea stage real fund protest group organ state not thi project suppos return jeremi rifkin inevit brian yamauchi case western reserv univers yamauchi alpha ce cwru edu depart comput engin and scienc
sci.space	not give billion year articl apr iti org aw iti org allen sherzer wrote articl sjdp zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write thi prize isn big warrent develop ssto vehicl exist peopl will you that ssto develop privat cut rate oper optimist spite great respect for peopl you speak cost estim bit optimist noth work ssto complex larg airlin and smaller experi base that ssto develop cost typic airlin develop that put rang for purpos contest bet thing cut fuel for entri kind heat shield etc etc even contest particip had fund develop wouldn worth develop for contest give cheapest heaviest lift man rate booster don pai for develop great us back contest goal recent articl low cost rel man return moon gener dynam scheme involv titan shuttl lift centaur upper stage lev and crew capsul mission consist deliv two unman payload lunar surfac man mission total cost billion joint esa nasa project billion for share didn find mention long crew stai bet that dai and total payload deliv metric tonn you ignor scientif payload hitch ride crew habit modul return trip and toss tonn for addit consum last anoth month you year visit tonn and case not obviou that wild ass guess pretti bore visit sinc trip outdoor eat bit lox and not home brew colleg brew life support system last year round thi tonn convient sinc plan talk ton payload deliv lunar surfac thi add two centaur two lev two shuttl flight put singl man moon for year hmmm not practic cheaper deliv tonn lunar surfac decad precis guess year suppli consum and equip weigh and wonder lev reusabl discard burn return leo not discard refuel henri you lev note that engin aren reusabl restart lev fit forgotten knew cargo bai dimens for not that singl goal prize stai moon for year wise and prize for govern sponser unman moon land anoth for man moon land anoth for system extract consum lunar soil anoth for reusabl earth moon shuttl and find build civilian moonbas infrastructur singl goal result bunch contest give person appear win and for that didn give find scari half dozen peopl huddl ricketi moon shelter reward for oper for competit lastli ten fifteen year back recal that english space magazin that had discuss moonbas cheap recal discuss thing heat human bodi produc lunar materi for protect solar flare etc don rememb name thi magazin thi ring bell craig keithlei don rememb don recal appl comput inc memori keithlei appl peter gabriel album
sci.space	comet temporari orbit jupit peri jove gehrel april jupit radii august jupit radii jupit radiu perijov not us talk thi languag final question name gehrel wasn thi thread issu scientif american articl inconst cosmo photo neil gehrel project scientist for nasa compton gamma rai observatori person mark brader softquad inc toronto inform want inform utzoo msb msb prison thi articl public domain
sci.space	iapetu saturn eclips forward john spencer spencer lowel edu will two eclips iapetu saturn and ring and juli spread word inform event and coupl messag jai goguen jpl appeal for thermal observ eclips learn thermal properti iapetu monei john spencer iapetu will eclips shadow saturn ring and saturn and time follow ring ingress egress ring ingress egress ring egress saturn ingress egress ring ingress egress ring ingress egress juli saturn ingress egress ring ingress graze egress time minut altern ephemeri and photometr observ import for refin iapetu orbit sun size project ring iapetu that will learn ring observ soma astronomi and astrophys for detail andi odel northern arizona univers for bring event attent thermal observ jai goguen jdg scn jpl nasa gov write interest thing thermal juli disappear into shadow planet measur thermal inertia etc thi event render inaccess russia even calar alto saturn rise airmass you russia ukrain big telescop and instrument that for will make person grant for data jai and encourag that can observ iapetu planet disappear thermal wavelength impress that not easi observ iapetu will faint and get fainter eclips you big telescop that good telescop and reason instrument don that combin wide longitud that for observ sofia for thi possibl telescop india jai ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar and part veget
sci.space	space coloni size prefer summari time ago messag onc design orbit space coloni gear anoth info you you move space coloni live perman big coloni for you view perman move desir specif peopl you want share coloni physic dimens live assum live coloni will rotat assum that you can leav time time for vacat and busi trip you young assum that you rais your children didn lot respons and block muchli respond good food for thought edit respons peopl you want share coloni physic dimens live cylind diamet long rui sousa ruca saber peopl you want share coloni physic dimens live squar km surfac divid into citi town villag and countrysid lake river amd mountain peopl isn that larg number will space year and will sick anoth year physic dimens live not that great figur maxim percentag coloni space that access human eseci children sinc will figur and like explor want for walk and each time for popul want substanti town big stranger thi help small town syndrom peopl don call thousand peopl for physic dimens somewhat similar criterion big surpris you spent consider time get specif rule thumb big for place hour foot call that mean circumfer talk sphere henri spencer toronto zoologi henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri desir for perman move space coloni assum easi commun and travel size small town size bigger popul for sqkm for elbow room for interest and saniti max min tommi mac tom mcwilliam work inhal chief ibm msu edu zonker harri
sci.space	navstar posit you miss big differ plane and exactli state posit and veloc equal addit thi redund propos bob robert mcgwier ccr ida org center for commun research interest amateur radio astronomi golf princeton asst scoutmast troop hightstown
sci.space	keep spacecraft fund cut articl apr kelvin jpl nasa gov baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov ron baalk write articl apr zeu calpoli edu jgreen trumpet calpoli edu jame thoma green write spacecraft shut fund cut for exampl couldn magellan told into safe mode and stai bob venu low power us mode and year fund get restor economi get hopefulli turn can problem polit not technic rememb that dollar spent keep spacecraft safe mode spin stabil sun point orient dollar not spent mission analysi for newer spacecraft order turn spacecraft back you insur that op gui will you retrain team that spacecraft that you propos oper satellit goddard fli tiro noaa seri requir satellit orbit for oper set extra replac orbit power into standbi mode for us emerg that case op team requir fly oper bird standbi mainten rel cheap final pat explan spacecraft requir continu mainten stai control mark suggest spin stabil control mode requir power mainten requir momentum dump time time end polit decis sinc differ monei technic rational decis david gsfc
sci.space	ussr had reach moon articl apr gari gari coffman write you coupl centuri will signific commer activ moon wish think lot stuff commer moonbas fantasyland you will final motiv peopl leav earth not flame you want you stand chuck chuck chung duke univers dept physic durham cchung phy duke edu pro opposit con opposit progress
sci.space	proton centaur articl apr zeu calpoli edu jgreen trumpet calpoli edu jame thoma green write look into possibl proton centaur combo benefit and problem such combo obviou instabl xssr haven specul salyut design bureau plan lox second stage for proton boost payload leo geostationari gal launcher version thi scheme compet energia last year and haven heard won recent read that central special work successor soyuz booster energia earli result energia won thi guess noth clear russia salyut get fund will continu develop centaur for alta meter dia and proton that good fit for exist upper stage block set insid shround meter dia don launch load etc sinc centaur surviv titan launch wors proton titan srb shake thing pretti good feasibl centaur fragil thing and requir integr pad not proton assembl and transport horizonti stress payload centaur support bolt proton horizont and rail road track and erect pad lox and facil ad proton pad proton second stage built and centaur support system and facil doubt import great cost system viloat law polit problem solv addit instabl ci you mention denni newkirk dennisn ec comm mot motorola land mobil product sector schaumburg
sci.space	level softwar engin professor rate level ibm unit produc part softwar for shuttl not mean interest note softwar develop group survei level ibm shuttl group level nathan wallac realiti mail wallacen colost edu ancient alphaean proverb
sci.space	proton centaur articl apr lmpsbb comm mot dennisn ec comm mot denni newkirk write articl apr zeu calpoli edu jgreen trumpet calpoli edu jame thoma green write look into possibl proton centaur combo benefit and problem such combo obviou instabl xssr centaur for alta meter dia and proton that good fit for exist upper stage block set insid shround meter dia don launch load etc sinc centaur surviv titan launch wors proton titan srb shake thing pretti good feasibl centaur fragil thing and requir integr pad not proton assembl and transport horizonti stress payload centaur support bolt proton horizont and rail road track and erect pad centaur that built for bet integr proton centaur design for extrem harsh envorin launch closer diamet you hit real kicker centaur pressur stabil cannot hold weight pressur tank addition pressur differ two tank maintain psi that tight rock and roll train pressur stabil centaur achiev perform numer occas want make pressur stabil centaur answer centaur not worth launch atla centaur not requir pad integr centaur pad integr great extent due cleanli requir and pfl configur can lox and facil ad proton pad proton second stage built and centaur support system and facil doubt import great cost system viloat law polit problem solv addit instabl ci you mention addit lox facil critic centaur top lift lhe facil need don proton for fuel sinc deriv icbm suspect that us storabl propel don ullag problem that cryo cryo sight addit system big not mention real tech transfer issu involv provid centaur gse russia that issu alon kill thi idea steven stanford univers email hdsteven sun vallei stanford edu aerospac robot laboratori phone lab durand build bullpen stanford fax
sci.space	keep spacecraft fund cut prb access digex pat pontif bird requir constant manag for surviv point sensor sun even power burn point parabol antenna sol venu orbit trash foci element get post whether not put brain board futur deep space probe for automat avoid such thing sun into uncontrol tumbl heard onc that voyag had failsaf routin built that essenti you never hear earth thi back event receiv burnt probe send data limit data even you teh bird drift hose cosmic phenomena sinc thi shutdown that never refund for startup type cosmic bem probe not such big loss you can plan for obviou thing can consid jame green jgreen obo calpoli edu you you understand that you not that you realiz that not meant
sci.space	inflat mile long space billboard vandal sky articl yamauchi apr yuggoth ce cwru edu yamauchi ce cwru edu brian yamauchi write nasa provid contractu launch servic sinc nasa base charg flaw cost estim mar taxpay bear expens thi environment vandal mike lawson ceo space market told yesterdai that real purpos project environ platform will carri ozon monitor explain advertis defrai cost thi purpos for univers colorado peopl guess that purpos for livermor peopl learn build larg inflat space structur peopl and continu big ozon scientist thi consist consist comerci applic that nasa and clinton push hard nasa support thi junk catch rocket that launch movi advert rocket peopl alot for paint side movi stuff coke pepsi thing year back nasa find wai peopl into space fund busi for time frankli thought fund get tight innov fund thing nasa big fund can show fund for propos that propos significantli higher probabl fund propos merit fund onc monei talk steven stanford univers email hdsteven sun vallei stanford edu aerospac robot laboratori phone lab durand build bullpen stanford fax
sci.space	vandal sky articl research canon enzo research canon enzo liguori write articl apr sci physic research opinion fridai april washington space billboard thi spinoff promis scienc fiction writer robert heinlein publish man sold moon involv disput sale right moon for us billboard nasa firstep thi hideou vision futur observ startl thi spring nasa launch vehicl arriv pad schwarzenegg paint huge block letter side booster rocket thing wors lot wors mid eighti teen adult sci comic fleetwai produc short stori featur award win charact judg dredd stori focuss advertis agenc futur us high power multi colour laser search light point moon paint imag moon needless thi us hack load lover romant and werewolf crazi gui chop servic discontinu cautionari tale marvin batti marvin batti djf cov cck and not find thing sort rafia base that father put night clock
sci.space	mar observ updat hiya amutur astronom adelaid australia and todai heard interest and excit new local program couldn find new server post thi inform and ill sue station for date new server slow caught end articl inform topic not moment new small psudo planet orbit pluto found hawiian obsevatori suppos recent acord report meant mile diamat and faili larg distanc pluto orbit had comput draw and orbit distanc pluto neptun pluto furthest apart thi found call karna offici can give inform brendan woith swoith crackl aelmg adelaid edu btw thi new good lawyer
sci.space	vandal sky yamauchi ce cwru edu brian yamauchi write enzo research canon enzo liguori write opinion fridai april washington space billboard thi spinoff promis scienc fiction writer robert heinlein publish man sold moon involv disput sale right moon for us billboard nasa firstep thi hideou vision futur observ startl thi spring nasa launch vehicl arriv pad schwarzenegg paint huge block letter side booster rocket space market inc had arrang for promot arnold latest movi you upset thi you direct thi moral outrag glavcosmo pioneer thi capitalist applic booster advert long nasa fact you can direct your ir proper target ingor nasa altogeth rocket commerci launch vechicl conestoga fly comet payload nasa simpli primari custom sdio small payload advertis space sold owner rocket can darn addit anonym observ had reason startl deal made space new twice space market work univers colorado and livermor engin plan place mile long inflat billboard low earth orbit nasa provid contractu launch servic sinc nasa base charg flaw cost estim mar taxpay bear expens nasa support thi junk and detail new blip thi project thi wild idea stage real fund fair find that start hissi fit fact that bother us condit tens suggest that not approv josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu find make attribut hannib
sci.space	lindbergh and moon not give mancu sweetpea jsc nasa gov keith mancu write cook varmit mdc layn cook write thi talk commerci space race year moon base intrigu similar prize influenc aerospac develop orteig prize help lindbergh sell spirit saint loui ventur financi backer strongli suspect that saint loui backer had foresight realiz that stake work moon sight financi backer todai commerci transport system settl and civil area obviou spaceflight not thi posit correct analog not aviat long transocean voyag ag discoveri lindbergh flight place not thirti didn requir gov fund long potenti for profit destin practic gov fund privat you give exampl privat fund that wise investor spend larg amount monei riski invest idea payoff your logic appli standard invest strategi concept prize for difficult goal for reason suspect not awar that orteig receiv signific econom benefit lindbergh flight modern analog such prize for human power helicopt face similar argument econom benefit such thing advantag come approach develop and fact that prize will frequent gener work equival amount direct invest person put billion for moon base like want expect make monei deal josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu find make attribut hannib
sci.space	crazi imaginit nice quot that close can rememb that you crazi mean you crazi idea bit odd wall and such wilbur and orvil wright and quit not big degre and such wrong error human that wai import imagin dream and dream knowledg worthless two cent worth two rubl worth basic quot idea beam piper book space vike good book civil can fall and can rais height beam piper kill week short book publish and idea light such wast
sci.space	moonbas race nasa resourc articl inn mojo eng umd edu sysmgr king eng umd edu doug mohnei write articl teik zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write apollo hard big hurri limit technolog base and govern contract privat govern project cut cost factor cost privat ventur assum you talk govern into leas you coupl pad florida softwar engin that militari intellig isn sysmgr cadlab eng umd edu govern space launch pad directli mean that launch small packag into space not includ ariadn and russian site poker flat alaska thou us sound rocket for auror boreal and northern atmospher item last heard upgrad put sattelit into orbit peopl fix nasa direct resourc poker flat runin part nasa unives alaska and geophys institut sound typic cultur central and protection and peopl multi trillion dollar deficit work spell checker michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	surviv larg acceler read spaceflight handbook and author discuss solar sail and forc act and gain initi acceler pass close sun hyperbol orbit magnitud such acceler estim order that thi not big problem for man craft human and thi publish withstood acceler thi long wind question final acceler fact humanli toler aid mechan devic us absorb acceler can thi extend larger acceler advanc amruth laxman
sci.space	eco freak forc space mine commerici compani into space and miner explor basic eci freak make hard miner earth you thi crazi realiti billin congress that basic make expens mine miner you can inspector tax collector ascial understand talk miner friend mine that congress propos tax gross incom mine versu adjust incom state govern normal tax time you pai for materi worker and expens you can ow you made basic you make and spend ofor expens you can ow feder tax bascial drive miner land and peopel benefit eco freak basic back begin statement space expens mine earth eco freak protectionist such fun interest time michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	ssrt roll speech ssrt rollout speech deliv col simon worden deputi for technolog sdio mcdonnel dougla huntington beach april you children grew ag miracl inter continent ballist missil nuclear energi comput flight moon miracl parent for decad and pundit told you lost gener live accomplish past you and even begun pessimist listen aw past gener tell triumph live histori privileg hear week ago thi team listen aw gener berni schriever told team work and struggl build thi nation intercontinent ballist missil stori can blurri ei telescop thousand dollar toilet seat even space launch vehicl hearken that past great time and destin remain gen schriever icbm find hard swell pride that space lifter idea refurbish minuteman and poseidon ballist missil pessimist wrong legaci continu thi event proof technolog parent listen your stori caught your enthusiasm and can spirit and learn your achiev and your mistak honor you part that histori and impetu thi histori max hunter you greatest engin firt great ag space explor your insight and disciplin built thor icbm incorpor into todai success launch vehicl delta you told that form launch vehicl singl stage reusabl rocket can and built you advoc thi idea tirelessli elegantli simpl great breakthrough you show build you convinc you work side weld compon into place import you remind prime engin principl undoubt you learn gener you gener that built transcontinent aviat and build and test and max you pass thi peopl pat ladner start thi program for sdi dougla aircraft didn start didn even start grandfath built test even sold and made monei move step didn decad put rubber road max hunter you didn ten year build thor and god not ten year show that low cost singl stage reusabl aerospac transport real end cold war short year team todai year show strateg defens initi that cold war end you and launch seri satellit delta experi year apiec thi signal commit end impass ourselv and soviet union made decis side underscor import work bring intern relationship team put place framework for aerospac expans that legaci for gener will make space access routin and afford built thi magnific fly machin two year thi summer true rocket ship will and land earth for time can and sure will build year reusabl sub orbit rocket will us space rapidli afford and effici nation can and make monei and spend anoth year build fulli reusabl singl stage orbit system space will realiti even us rocket propuls breakthrough cold war adversari wonder ironi thi sdi product and russian effort counter sdi merg power mankind step star guard temptat leap final answer robert goddard rocket weren saturn succumb temptat for extra dollar and year jump immedi full orbit system will fail max hunter and colleagu show year and cloud dust case rocket exhaust short cut expect reshap world brick time mind task hand thi project real torch american technolog great pass american thi machin american fly
sci.space	space foundat speech speech pete worden deliv space foundat confer colorado spring colorado april delight opportun troubl for provid thi forum sincer space foundat topic todai singl stage rocket technolog rocket ssrt intend speak lower cost and make rapid progress ssrt mind and hope convinc you erupt ralli cry for gener space faster cheaper and faster cheaper and ssrt repres pass torch technic gener anoth thing relearn thing past master roll ssrt babi two week ago call expert told violat law physic made sens for exampl eberhart rachtin presid aerospac corp ssrt time that defi principl launch payload into space rachtin you made mad principl that ssrt defi you violat principl that you giant program offic build space hardwar violat fact that take year build and violat truism that you signific for billion dollar last gener expert teach lesson werhner von braun rocket not saturn gener schriever icbm didn ten year demonstr and airplan didn cost billion great engin remind truth max hunter max remind you senior engin thor irbm program and faster cheaper success stori max persist vision singl stage reusabl space launch system sinc knew had afford step build test persuad technolog demonstr didn solicit bunch requir chang year not includ speech al nl such ephemer requir that shape shifter space lifter didn spend lot monei thi rocket cost million last time even built airplan for that and didn lot time build mcdonnel dougla complet month final govern program offic consist work air forc major motiv part threat that ride strap lawn chair ran cost schedul describ ssrt and isn mind step step and step that can easili fail can field ssto each step follow principl small manag team year technolog demonstr and modest budget show detail ssrt and evolv chart embarrass gener compar last gener giant last great space era and moon built telescop that can straight soft land mar soft land earth answer can follow build test philosophi produc afford and routin access space nai sayer you ssrt stunt thermal protect engin wrong land horizont etc etc you you white sand june you bring your view graph and bring rocketship can you step not includ speech fail you your program offic staff summari sheet requir analys and decad long program bet gener and max hunter idea taker
sci.space	commerci mine activ moon articl inn mojo eng umd edu sysmgr king eng umd edu write articl steinli apr topaz ucsc edu steinli topaz ucsc edu steinn sigurdsson write cost effect you us account method sherzer methodolog never that opportun miss put
sci.space	proton centaur you denni for your usual highli detail and inform post question proton handl ksc spare pad major malfunct handl kourou vandenberg storabl long for russian equip cape york proton launch western site compar centaur lift close pat
sci.space	crazi imaginit articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write beam piper kill week short book publish and idea light such wast piper live town williamsport kill earli had had book publish that time luck financi rumor that hunt urban pigeon birdshot for food view resourc man and imo decid check gracefulli couldn support worst part that john campbel long time editor astound analog magazin had cut check for piper recent stori and check mail campbel had piper strait phone hang campbel that had happen differ enjoi piper stuff doug loss
sci.space	comet temporari orbit jupit msb mark brader write final question name gehrel wasn thi thread issu scientif american articl inconst cosmo photo neil gehrel project scientist for nasa compton gamma rai observatori person estim probabl gehrel refer thoma gehrel spacewatch project kitt peak observatori centuri gamma rai spectroscopi distant asteroid orbit observatori primit send probe gamma rai spectroscopi mark brader softquad inc toronto inform want inform utzoo msb msb prison you info mayan televis thi articl public domain phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man
sci.space	not give billion year long moon resid you forget that apollo govern program and had start rel scratch peopl nasa that thi work repli person post thi origin messag dai ago heard jerri pournel suggest thi idea gene theporch raider net gene wright theporch raider net macinterest nashvil
sci.space	vandal sky hoover mathematik uni bielefeld uw schuerkamp write articl research canon enzo research canon enzo liguori write hideou vision futur observ startl thi spring nasa launch vehicl arriv pad schwarzenegg paint huge block letter thi opinion long stuff return earth you thi revolt and hideou attempt vandal night sky not even april anymor thi turn true time activ terror thi unbeliev peopl sell bit that promis make monei guess deserv wipe radiat folk stupid win guess that true and pure number anoth depress planetari citizen hoover thi isn inher bad thi isn light pollut sinc will visibl shortli dusk dai night last hour for you you inconvienenc you inconvienenc that case final thi isn bronz ag and aren indo european peopl speak indo eurpoean languag indo european ancestri and cultur background rememb that human activ practic warrior cast farm cast and priesthood and act distress that found research that doesn involv social certianli doesn mean deserv die phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man
sci.space	boom whoosh articl apr mnemosyn edu wdwell nyx edu david fuzzi well write love idea inflat mile long sign will neat thing explod bolt even westford needl come crash into click sec pageo and two echo balloon inflat substanc expand vacuum onc inflat substanc longer need sinc noth balloon collaps thi inflat structur suffer multipl hole disastr deflat bruce watson wat scicom alphacdc bulletin item extract
sci.space	spacewalk articl sumg cmu edu flb flb optiplan baub write time specul that spacewalk alexei leonov stage fake evid support contradict thi claim emerg thi claim perhap anoth fever cold war hallucin for avid reader sci space ussr happen bruce watson wat scicom alphacdc bulletin item extract
sci.space	planet imag orbit ether twist ether implod earth core graviti thi paper describ heavenli bodi can stationari ether suck structur and observ orbit motion ether theoret propog media electro magnet wave conclud not exist base result michelson morelei experi conduct centuri ago propos that conclus flaw base fact that experi design for flow parallel earth surfac not perpindicular due prevail assumpt that earth travel ether ball wind revers that conclus pivot keyston develop modern scientif thought ramif biblic proport world rememb einstien imagin greater knowledg dream thi ether base realiti ether fluid phase realiti creation start lattic into ether spin lattic drag fluid margarita blender and ingest convert distil local mass time and energi spin lattic dark matter earth isn exactli spin sun pictur imag galaxi haven video spin pictur stationari and sun imag drag across sky spin ether field pictur onion each layer spin faster thread shot kernel stretch diagon sidewai head faster shell tail final intersect ground kernel direct vector straight foot print line not point sunris sunset moon isn exactli orbit parasit spin sustain drag earth ether field sun power field season wobbl earth axi top slow orbit earth sun star imag drag sun ether feild earth moon and sun size and distanc apart that time vari greatli path not moon lattic ether stick fork plate spaghetti and give plate half turn sun lattic spin that fork plate noodl wound piec light moon can slide spaghetti and make hook end piec light sun plate needl record get pencil compass and rule draw diagram moon can big earth shadow and time total eclips sun sky for your knowledg you guess that size size full moon quarter moon etc differ rate ether spin rotat turntabl view moon half face sun half moon degre sky sun dai and draw that earth shadow moon imag appear orbit matter light part part face sun and dark part half face sun even appear light year galaxi misnom distanc closer time and matter characterist thi phase 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sci.space	eco freak forc space mine articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write commerici compani into space and miner explor basic eci freak make hard miner earth you thi crazi realiti billin congress that basic make expens mine miner you can inspector tax collector ascial understand talk miner friend mine that congress propos tax gross incom mine versu adjust incom state govern normal tax time you pai for materi worker and expens you can ow you made basic you make and spend ofor expens you can ow feder tax bascial drive miner land and peopel benefit eco freak basic back begin statement space expens mine earth eco freak protectionist such fun interest time michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack current mine regul and fee set call eco freak want simpli bring fee line current econom realiti mine compani can access miner public land for ridicul low price mine lobbi for decad manag block reform outdat fee fact latest attempt reform block presid clinton compromis take mine fee reform budget and plan draft separ legisl fight that battl you want discuss thi suggest you thi talk environ patrick molloi huntsvil alabama
sci.space	comet temporari orbit jupit articl apr msb mark brader write peri jove gehrel april jupit radii august jupit radii jupit radiu perijov not us talk thi languag final question name gehrel wasn thi thread issu scientif american articl inconst cosmo photo neil gehrel project scientist for nasa compton gamma rai observatori person neil gehrel prof tom gehrel son tom gehrel discover gehrel comet latest not bear name name spacewatch sinc observ that system found latest comet mark brader softquad inc toronto inform want inform utzoo msb msb prison jim scotti jscotti lpl arizona edu lunar planetari laboratori univers arizona tucson usa
sci.space	keep spacecraft fund cut thi discuss talk polit space joseph cain cain geomag gly fsu edu cain fsu bitnet scri cain fax
sci.space	moonbas race nasa resourc articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write cost privat ventur assum you talk govern into leas you coupl pad florida govern space launch pad directli mean fact you want avoid govern for such project pricetag invari high monei hassl import thing realiz that big cost get moon get into low earth orbit practic nois part get moon that pose problem you face low orbit last actual land and that not immens difficult you can spend sagadollar saga metric prefix for beelyun and beelyun thing launch you don major compon realist plan moon cheapli for visit low cost transport earth orbit for cost launch shuttl two titan iv you can develop launch system that will consider cheaper delta clipper bit expens thi perhap ambiti wai bring cost quit bit plan for sustain lunar explor exist launch system wast monei big thi question launch facil you us not minor detail import cost launch domin cost project work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	surviv larg acceler articl efpx qaop andrew cmu edu amruth laxman andrew cmu edu write question final acceler fact humanli toler aid mechan devic us absorb acceler thi sound bit high higher acceler endur briefli violent deceler talk sustain acceler odd gee demonstr water immers doubt that thi gener anoth order magnitud work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	sunris sunset time relat question haven that thought lattitud averag length dai averag year maxim thi function constant hour symmetr equat discrep due fact that orbit ellipt differ chang temperatur and make season southern hemispher bitter small make sizeabl differ daylight hour want move nick firoozy nick sfb iam uni bonn
sci.space	sunris sunset time articl apr cbi ec drexel edu jpw cbi ec drexel edu joseph wetstein write for program algorithm that can us comput sunris and sunset time comput long time ago that comput length daylight you convert inform sunris and sunset time rouben rostamian telephon depart mathemat and statist mail univers maryland baltimor counti bitnet rostamian umbc bitnet baltimor usa internet rouben math umbc edu definit tilt axi planet normal orbit plane case earth degre not recal exact case uranu almost degre latitud locat length dai measur pari degre north pole angular posit planet sun degre planet make full circl sun spring equinox occur daylight fraction durat daylight durat full dai equat north pole degre sometim and sometim depend time year comput defin auxiliari angl and sin sin sin co tan tan degre conclus measur degre measur radian wait cutoff function defin follow interest exercis plot versu graph will show length daylight vari time year experi choic latitud and tilt angl compar behavior function locat and below arctic circl rouben rostamian telephon depart mathemat and statist mail univers maryland baltimor counti bitnet rostamian umbc bitnet baltimor usa internet rouben math umbc edu
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sci.space	keep spacecraft fund cut articl apr zeu calpoli edu jgreen trumpet calpoli edu jame thoma green write prb access digex pat pontif heard onc that voyag had failsaf routin built that essenti you never hear earth thi back event receiv burnt probe send data limit data voyag unusu luck stabl trajectori solar system collect field data and routin squirt marin stabl solar orbit and provid similiar solar data planetari orbit subject complex forc comsat stabl geosynch orbit requir almost daili stationkeep oper for occasion deep space bird pff pluto left auto pilot thing galileo magellan suspect housekeep that even untend end unus question not transfer bird separ agenc contin fund support kind ongo scienc mission pat ongo op mention quot oper and data analysi cost collect data and analyz whenev kinda that landsat data that sat for year analyz for ozon hole even you teh bird drift hose cosmic phenomena sinc thi shutdown that never refund for startup type cosmic bem probe not such big loss you can plan for obviou thing can consid jame green jgreen obo calpoli edu you you understand that you not that you realiz that not meant
sci.space	eco freak forc space mine thi line hors puckei mine compani claim told pai for restor land strip mine mine coal midwest doesn moon theyar pat
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sci.space	eco freak forc space mine articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write commerici compani into space and miner explor basic eci freak make hard miner earth raw materi cost that get space cost effect entir world economi colaps long space mine built allen ladi astor sir you husband poison your coffe churchil madam you wife drink dai flight dcx
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sci.space	will futur hmmm recal that attract solid state record player and radio wasn perform lower per unit cost vacuum tube system mind you father vacuum tube fan switch solid state mid seventi and abruptli di doubt lesson that and account bias jame nicol
sci.space	vandal sky articl apr locu todd phad locu todd johnson write for advertis not nasa friend and spent drunken night figur exactli gold mylar put golden arch american fast food organ face moon fortun sober morn hmmm isn that million you that sound lot ten per burger that organ sold last year you reflect substanc that sprai thinli unman craft lunar orbit larg set such craft you can reason albedo visibl even moon sinc moon quit dark and bright full moon you abandon colour bui cheap launch system design reusabl moon lunar orbit unman sprai craft build craft establish lunar base extract tio for colour you sulphur compound suppos and sort propel and bob your uncl for billion dollar ident for and love deliveri date can fast food chain bid fizzi drink vendor interest bui that lot expens and not impress put larg set inflat billboard leo geo visibl hour your kei growth market that for and ident nick hain nickh cmu edu
sci.space	planet kuiper object found tonigth journal brasil announc that object pluto orbit found observatori hawaii name object karla program object wasn gaseou giant planet and compos rock and ic can confirm inform thi object planet kuiper object advanc francisco star francisco fonseca rodrigu cotuca colegio tecnico unicamp brasil depto processamento dado cp internet chico ccsun unicamp cotuca ccvax unicamp fone fax campina brasil dust
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sci.space	not give billion year long moon resid articl qve kinnpa sal sun usc edu schaefer sal sun usc edu peter schaefer write articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write articl theporch raider net gene theporch raider net gene wright write continuin talk end space ag and complaint govern larg cost not read that work announc that reward billion corpor successfulli person aliv moon for year you inexpens not popular technolog begin develop kind space race gene theporch raider net gene wright theporch raider net macinterest nashvil that true for friend pool resourc and make prize kind liek solar car race australia game for contest michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack gee billion dollar that cover cost feasabl studi happi happi joi joi feasabl studi wimp you studi damn engin engin sit ars sit fortun sir richard franci burton dillon pyron opinion express dseg lewisvil vax support sender state home texan vote robin hood pyron skndiv dseg solut not gestur padi
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sci.space	proton centaur dennisn ec comm mot denni newkirk write centaur control technolog state dept will not us articl apr zeu calpoli edu jgreen trumpet calpoli edu jame thoma green write look into possibl proton centaur combo benefit and problem such combo obviou instabl xssr haven specul salyut design bureau plan lox second stage for proton boost payload leo geostationari gal launcher version thi scheme compet energia last year and haven heard won recent read that central special work successor soyuz booster energia earli result energia won thi guess noth clear russia salyut get fund will continu develop centaur for alta meter dia and proton that good fit for exist upper stage block set insid shround meter dia don launch load etc sinc centaur surviv titan launch wors proton titan srb shake thing pretti good feasibl centaur fragil thing and requir integr pad not proton assembl and transport horizonti stress payload centaur support bolt proton horizont and rail road track and erect pad lox and facil ad proton pad proton second stage built and centaur support system and facil doubt import great cost system viloat law polit problem solv addit instabl ci you mention denni newkirk dennisn ec comm mot motorola land mobil product sector schaumburg
sci.space	planet imag orbit ether twist ether stuff you breath you post phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man
sci.space	commerci mine activ moon articl steinli apr topaz ucsc edu steinli topaz ucsc edu steinn sigurdsson write you british govern whether colonis effort america cost effect answer you you you ask and you mean you thought effort profit that monei effici spent provid max per monei spent answer ballanc question except place french indian war end revolut even coloni revolt independ british engag lucr trade coloni year american revolut england largest trade partner allen ladi astor sir you husband poison your coffe churchil madam you wife drink dai flight dcx
sci.space	boom whoosh articl scicom alphacdc wat scicom alphacdc bruce watson write pageo and two echo balloon inflat substanc expand vacuum call ga onc inflat substanc longer need sinc noth balloon collaps thi inflat structur suffer multipl hole disastr deflat balloon suffici low orbit that experienc air resist final punctur thi preasur and intern preasur that need maintain spheric shape thi resist caus catastroph deflat larg silver shard that remain easili visibl for time reentri longer passiv transpond billboard pop dime store balloon
sci.space	not give billion year long moon resid apr iti org aw iti org allen sherzer write depend you assum exist work ssto billion put quarter million pound stuff moon that mass send equip make lox for transfer vehicl you send lot lot need thi prize isn big warrent develop ssto vehicl exist allen you can assum exist ssto contest place that want contest develop cheaper wai thing exist flush moon for year insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
sci.space	moonbas race articl inn mojo eng umd edu sysmgr king eng umd edu write articl teik zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write apollo hard big hurri limit technolog base and govern contract privat govern project cut cost factor cost privat ventur assum you talk govern into leas you coupl pad florida us ground launch pad posibl launch altitud thi shuttl origin intend cheaper bio engin absorb plant lox bottl stick lunar cave and put airlock door marvin batti djf cov cck and not find thing sort rafia base that father put night clock
sci.space	sunris sunset time jpw cbi ec drexel edu joseph wetstein write for program algorithm that can us comput sunris and sunset time you mind post respons you interest and shirlen pearson pearson titan tsd arlut utexa edu
sci.space	level ubn zoo toronto edu henri spencer write articl apr mksol dseg mccall mksol dseg fred mccall write that heard shuttl softwar rate level level mind that not achiev us sophist tool brute forc and ignor attack problem challeng standdown simpli threw hundr peopl and process hand thi inaccur base feynman account softwar develop process standdown fred basic correct sophist tool lot effort and painstak care thi challeng feynman cite softwar peopl exemplari compar engin peopl note that softwar peopl start feel manag pressur cut corner hadn had give thing softwar peopl work hard thing for major pre flight simul and consid failur simul bad flight failur result number major simul failur count hand and number flight failur fred mention thi appli flight softwar softwar that run experi typic put togeth experiment and get level tender love care experiment afford work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri new softwar urepli wingert vnet ibm bret wingert ubn zoo toronto edu ubn zoo toronto edu henri spencer write articl apr mksol dseg mccall mksol dseg fred mccall write that heard shuttl softwar rate level level mind that not achiev us sophist tool brute forc and ignor attack problem challeng standdown simpli threw hundr peopl and process hand thi inaccur base feynman account softwar develop process standdown fred basic correct sophist tool lot effort and painstak care thi challeng feynman cite softwar peopl exemplari compar engin peopl note that softwar peopl start feel manag pressur cut corner hadn had give fred mention thi appli flight softwar softwar that run experi typic put togeth experiment and get level tender love care coupl point thi thread process sinc challeng challeng and not uncov flaw spencer and larg true process that not depend sophist tool case tool tool cannot fix bad process tool support for hal shuttl languag somewhat limit onboard flight softwar project rate level nasa team thi group gener ksloc verifi code per year for nasa feel free call you your organ interest info softwar develop process bret wingert fax bret wingert fax
sci.space	moonbas race articl apr iti org aw iti org allen sherzer write articl inn mojo eng umd edu sysmgr king eng umd edu write cost privat ventur assum you talk govern into leas you coupl pad florida you want that goal cheaper rememb thi isn govern leas expens launch pad us ssto and launch cheaper facil allen sometim you and sometim you tend rashli leap into make statement think wanna guess todai you launch hlv send larg amount stuff you privat titan pad softwar engin that militari intellig isn sysmgr cadlab eng umd edu
sci.space	crazi imaginit thu apr gmt nsmca aurora alaska edu nsmca idea bit odd wall and such nsmca wilbur and orvil wright and quit thi common misconcept noth wall wright brother correspond number experiment octav chanut lillienth etc flew model had wind tunnel short quit mainstream and not regard odd eccentr commun suggest you read bishop boi biographi harri gate comb can never rememb gui that had fbo and own learjet for print and easili obtain bishop boi trade paperback even even multi volum set wright write thi print rare and hideous expens mari shafer dod kotfr nasa dryden flight research facil edward shafer rigel dfrf nasa gov don speak for nasa mig your six mig unknown fighter pilot
sci.space	vandal sky articl cmu edu nickh cmu edu nick hain write bui that lot expens and not impress put larg set inflat billboard leo geo visibl hour your kei growth market that for and ident heard sillier thing util compani want bui autom boiler clean system oper system and rumour cost million per unit autom effici scale not jame nicol
sci.space	read sci space apr mksol dseg pyron skndiv dseg dillon pyron write two henri fred tommi and mari yeah thi isn real name bald head space babi and you don fred that obviou wouldn yeah thi isn real name elvi lemur sometim difficulti tell insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
sci.space	planet imag orbit ether twist ship that good eau clair acid california tom freebairn
sci.space	boom whoosh articl ctg zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write articl ofinndku gap caltech edu palmer cco caltech edu david palmer write orbit billboard point that easier place object orbit altitud place orbit veloc for target surfac earth you delta you launch thi citizen you will launch permit offic commerci space transport and difficult permit for antisatellit weapon henri remind canada not part unit state you quit commerci sat sky clean servic year toronto skysweep clear ski hour your monei back discount rate for astro research softwar engin that militari intellig isn sysmgr cadlab eng umd edu
sci.space	lindbergh and moon not give jbh uxa cso uiuc edu josh hopkin write mancu sweetpea jsc nasa gov keith mancu write cook varmit mdc layn cook write orteig prize help lindbergh sell spirit saint loui ventur financi backer strongli suspect that saint loui backer had foresight realiz that stake work moon sight financi backer todai commerci transport system settl and civil area obviou spaceflight not thi posit correct analog not aviat long transocean voyag ag discoveri lindbergh flight place not thirti for misunderstand refer fact that aeronaut develop place for super abund jenni and engin held industri obsolet wwi aircraft had retir and whirlwind had power weight ratio and reliabl point long distanc flight practic import note that atlant flown not onc time lindbergh chamberlin and levin and byrd america time railroad you railroad didn requir gov fund long potenti for profit destin practic gov fund privat you give exampl privat fund not top head dig refer book will that common arrang princ henri navig portug for princ put part monei and merchant put rest profit voyag share that wise investor spend larg amount monei riski invest idea payoff person put billion for moon base like want expect make monei deal problem that amount prize monei requir inspir moon base larger hand individu corpor can even put kremer prize human power aircraft orteig prize lord northcliff prize for cross atlant won alcock and brown smaller technolog requir reach individu inventor and prize amount reach larg number wealthi individu that gov afford set prize for purpos whatsoev note that burt rutan suggest that nasp built cheapli take avweek state that compani build plane that and fly profil hand question ask keith mancu mancu butch jsc nasa gov wvr mancu sweetpea jsc nasa gov black powder and alcohol your state and citi fall your back wall lesli fish
sci.space	moonbas race nasa resourc articl bpq zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer wrote major compon realist plan moon cheapli for visit low cost transport earth orbit for cost launch shuttl two titan iv you can develop launch system that will consider cheaper delta clipper bit expens thi perhap ambiti wai bring cost quit bit rub and catch boot for purpos contest you not compet you can afford ride and lower price deliveri system doabl demand doubt that will develop system low price system exist demand structur contest encourag low cost payload deliveri system account method hardest work for exampl you rockwel loan you engin and plan for sustain lunar explor exist launch system wast monei big thi depend launch system come line word perhap great deal worthwhil technolog life support navig etc develop prior low cost launch system you wouldn want us expens stuff forev hate folk wait low cost mac oop mean launch system come line guess simplifi thi that wast slipperi concept your goal man lunar explor year perhap not wast monei your goal explor moon for million you put thi explor for decad craig craig keithlei don rememb don recal appl comput inc memori keithlei appl peter gabriel album
sci.space	will futur articl apr julian uwo jdnicol prism cc uwo jame davi nicol write hmmm recal that attract solid state record player and radio wasn perform lower per unit cost vacuum tube system don solid state offer reliab bet and lower cost process scale pat
sci.space	proton centaur articl access digex net prb access digex pat write question proton handl ksc spare pad major malfunct handl kourou vandenberg lot troubl invest newer launch system don big cost advantag for russian system will last for long year lockhe place sinc you bui proton market proton world wide russia lot possibl haven heard propos launch assum look into and found unprofit storabl long for russian equip cape york compar zenit suppos sinc noth will built you pick spot messag launch cheap and russia and kazakstan cooper stori denni newkirk dennisn ec comm mot motorola land mobil product sector schaumburg
sci.space	vandal sky tvl herm hrz uni bielefeld hoover mathematik uni bielefeld uw schuerkamp write articl research canon enzo research canon enzo liguori write hideou vision futur observ startl thi spring nasa launch vehicl arriv pad schwarzenegg paint huge block letter thi opinion long stuff return earth you thi revolt and hideou attempt vandal night sky not even april anymor thi turn true time activ terror thi unbeliev peopl sell bit that promis make monei guess left wonder light fascist understand issu don even care for idea that find sort overreact question you find thing moon obnoxi pollut question for froth mouth long thi thing suppos stai sound huge drag area not lot mass and fairli low orbit orbit paramet talk real impact talk optic astronom impact import ad extra dai for optic astronom get data sensor suppos return data for larg inflat and potenti for inflat space station choic sinc advertis us fund thi thing your answer astronom feel free come fund mind import research data that gain thi spend monei word put shut guess deserv wipe radiat folk stupid win guess that true and pure number not agre stupid anoth depress planetari citizen hoover yeah insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
sci.space	planet imag orbit ether twist apr zeu calpoli edu dmcaloon tuba calpoli edu david mcaloon write ether implod earth core graviti not for lack extran capit word swear that mcelwain had chang name and move cal poli find choic newsgroup interest perhap thi gui that sci astro doesn stand for astrolog frighten that post thi origin ostens center higher learn thi countri small that rest world think nut and that problem that case you haven david don thi quit for post sci group insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
sci.space	comet temporari orbit jupit messag apr jgarland kean uc mun write articl apr msb mark brader write figur perijov perijov not us talk thi languag couldn periapsi apoapsi msged
sci.space	moonbas race sysmgr king eng umd edu doug mohnei write allen sometim you and sometim you tend rashli leap make statement think wanna guess todai you launch hlv send larg amount stuff you privat titan pad doug memori serv atla outgrowth titan icbm quit pad albeit recondit bui turf and pad and bunker includ prep facil midwest farmland price strike pretti damn cheap charli prael dant shakala shakala bb clanzen radio network sunnyval
sci.space	death and tax not give billion post thi subject threw idea fund such contest delv deep into budget mention grant miner right winner actual word mine right point quit correctli that such right not grant imagin fait accompli situat for winner thi give win group can compani corp year moratorium tax tom freebairn
sci.space	planet imag orbit ether twist dmcaloon tuba calpoli edu david mcaloon write lot trippi stuff delet wow thi gui smoke and can dan daniel appelquist quanta electron publish and distribut dan visix magazin scienc fiction and fantasi for inform send mail quanta andrew cmu edu fax for back issu ftp export ac cmu edu anonym
sci.space	galileo updat forward neal ausman galileo mission director galileo mission director statu report post launch april spacecraft april cruis scienc memori readout mro perform for extrem ultraviolet spectromet euv dust detector dd and magnetomet mag instrument preliminari analysi data receiv properli april command detector unit signal nois ratio cdusnr test and radio frequenc subsystem automat gain control rfsagc test perform lga low gain antenna dss madrid meter antenna and dss madrid meter antenna data analysi process test period perform provid detail inform rel telecom command hardwar integr april command reset command loss timer hour plan thi mission phase april two suppress carrier dsn deep space network advanc receiv character test perform dss goldston meter antenna spacecraft modul index vari degre degre for rang ground receiv bandwidth set bu imbal measur not exhibit signific chang greater thi period bu imbal measur measur read volt measur rang volt volt and read volt measur consist model develop special anomali team spacecraft statu april follow system power margin watt spin configur dual spin spin rate sensor rpm star scanner spacecraft attitud approxim degre sun lag and degre earth lead downlink telemetri rate antenna bp code lga gener thermal control temperatur accept rang rpm tank pressur accept rang orbit scienc instrument power pw euv uv epd mag hic and dd probe rrh power temperatur accept rang cmd loss timer set hour time initi hour trajectori noon thursdai april galileo spacecraft trajectori statu follow distanc earth distanc sun heliocentr speed per hour distanc jupit round trip light time minut second special topic april total real time command transmit galileo sinc launch initi sequenc design process and initi real time command process past week real time command transmit initi sequenc design process and initi real time command process command activ command reset command loss timer ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar and part veget
sci.space	inflat mile long space billboard vandal sky yamauchi ce cwru edu brian yamauchi write enzo research canon enzo liguori write opinion fridai april washington space market work univers colorado and livermor engin plan place mile long inflat billboard low earth orbit thi sound lowel wood involv idea suggest discuss term commerci space activ folk involv discuss spacecraft engin name preston carter pass suggest entreprenuri type and mike lawson appar ahead preston llnl and work space market sensor that carri nasa provid contractu launch servic sinc nasa base charg flaw cost estim mar taxpay bear expens that sound don launch vehicl expect commerci launcher not shuttl and fraction cost paid nasa for launch support cover nasa increment cost pretti thi environment vandal mike lawson ceo space market told yesterdai that real purpos project environ platform will carri ozon monitor explain advertis defrai cost thi purpos for univers colorado peopl guess that purpos for livermor peopl learn build larg inflat space structur note llnl involv lightweight sensor design per clementin and relat program folk demonstr modern inflat structur echo satellit long ago and advertis structur not closer inflat space station echo parad balloon for that matter you thi revolt and hideou attempt vandal night sky not even april anymor happen person dislik idea background astronomi vandal short live intrus night sky perman damag and hurt small subset astronom hand draw attent space thi true great idea learn build structur space essenti step space develop thi not like contribut such project monitor ozon deplet and demonstr creativ us partial privat sector fund process nasa support thi junk pure commerci ventur and detail new blip thi project thi wild idea stage real fund gather discuss advertis commerci project gener don fund custom whether will custom remain protest group organ state not thi project suppos return jeremi rifkin inevit nahh busi watch for mutant bacteria notic sky brian yamauchi case western reserv univers yamauchi alpha ce cwru edu depart comput engin and scienc jordin kare jtk gov lawrenc livermor nation laboratori person view and not repres offici statement posit llnl univers california doe
sci.space	comet temporari orbit jupit phil fraer write mark brader write final question name gehrel wasn thi thread issu scientif american articl inconst cosmo photo neil gehrel project scientist for nasa compton gamma rai observatori person estim probabl gehrel refer thoma gehrel spacewatch project kitt peak observatori you chang that certainti clarifi spacewatch univers arizona project telescop steward observatori locat kitt peak not associ kitt peak nation observatori share mountain
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sci.space	vandal sky articl research canon enzo research canon enzo liguori write space market work univers colorado and livermor engin plan place mile long inflat billboard low earth orbit nasa provid contractu launch servic sinc nasa base charg flaw cost estim mar taxpay bear expens thi environment vandal mike lawson ceo space market told yesterdai that real purpos project environ platform will carri ozon monitor explain advertis defrai cost thi possibl environment vandal environ vandal sinc advertis defrai cost surpris that taxpay bear expens sound good idea sinc taxpay bear expens didn advertis you thi revolt and hideou attempt vandal night sky great idea long ago light pollut observ read that even visibl dai leav alon night can that mile long billboard signific effect sky bright venu visibl dai complain that leo visibl twilight sky bright and even miniscul impact for short time zip across sky protest group organ state doubt peopl for protest surpris depress bright side imagin face peopl primit tribe middl and can budweis fly across sky jeff cook jeff cook ftcollinsco ncr
sci.space	big amateur rocket pbd runyon cim cdc paul doka write read popular scienc thi morn and surpris back that lot ad back fring scienc question legal thi grab attent compani name person missl inc that compani public missil inc michigan state that sell rocket that length and engin size that rocket will reach feet yup obviou danger amateur rocket beast isn thi illeg can imagin faa allow peopl shoot rocket flight level passeng plane not even mention problem locat rocket come nope not illeg close regul order purchas and us big rocket motor requir employe govern agenc employe student univers research involv rocket member repres educ organ involv research rocket two such organ tripoli rocketri associ and nation associ rocketri member organ demonstr profici construct and flight allow purchas larg motor faa will issu waiver regul request organ can persuad adequ precaut avoid conflict aircraft usual stipul oper ceil allow depend locat thi ceil feet agl oper rocket respons for avoid aircraft oper radiu launch site flight into cloud visual rang haze expressli prohibit faa will provid notam inform user airspac that unman rocket oper take place place and time launch that held and dozen year held area air traffic rel light such western desert black rock desert north reno popular sinc mile noth hit ground two rocketri associ test and approv motor for member us insur safeti depend motor size launcher setback feet rocket and power motor exempt feder regul unman rocket subpart for detail for recoveri higher altitud rocket can reach feet feet typic rocket inch diamet and carri foot parachut multipl parachut depend payload rocket carri small transmitt audio sounder launch eastern obstruct camera telemetri transmitt and video payload quit common and not even bui not that crazi not lot fun check traffic rec model rocket for inform model and and high power bigger rocket hobbi danger activ kei practic safeti fly consum rocket rang lb takeoff weight for year and extrem intact paul mine feet and carri pound dynamit doka that anoth thing explos warhead kind allow rocket forgiv for shout that biggest misconcept peopl hobbi rememb you will die somedai true will not relat rocket hobbi hit cross road rocket hand mark johnson usnail ncr peripher product divis mail mark johnson wichitak ncr rock voic wichita busi email compuserv
sci.space	planet kuiper object found francisco fonseca rodrigu write tonigth journal brasil announc that object pluto orbit found observatori hawaii name object karla name work name quit unoffici formal design program object wasn gaseou giant planet and compos rock and ic can confirm inform thi object planet kuiper object like kuiper belt object estim diamet orbit hasn determin
sci.space	moonbas race articl innn mojo eng umd edu sysmgr king eng umd edu write you launch hlv send larg amount stuff you privat titan pad you launch hlv send larg amount stuff you assum launcher develop you assum launcher develop lower cost specif object you don want build hlv size interest launch thing cheapli will bui titan doesn titan pricetag pai for laser launcher larg ga gun develop program for big dumb booster cost effect
sci.space	moonbas race nasa resourc articl keithlei kip appl keithlei appl craig keithlei write rub and catch boot for purpos contest you not compet you can afford ride and lower price deliveri system doabl demand doubt that will develop system you assum that low cost deliveri system separ project you spend hundr million dollar hope win billion dollar prize cheaper develop your launch system charg entir develop cost your contest entri exist launcher demand plan for sustain lunar explor exist launch system wast monei big thi depend launch system come line word perhap great deal worthwhil technolog life support navig etc develop prior low cost launch system you wouldn want us expens stuff forev hate folk wait low cost mac oop mean launch system come line you assum that decad build launch system saturn six year depend exactli you date start pegasu project start flight sdio chicken orbit develop target date for orbit flight you want speed that prototyp thor missil servic core delta launcher ship usaf month develop ahead pernici myth thi busi belief that you can build launcher take ten year and spend billion dollar isn true and never
sci.space	moonbas race articl hgf shakala dant shakala charli prael write doug memori serv atla outgrowth titan icbm nope you confus separ program atla gener icbm titan second gener titan titan launcher base gener heavi icbm essenti noth common program program despit similar name titan and titan complet missil didn even us fuel never mind launch facil quit pad albeit recondit bui turf and pad and bunker includ prep facil midwest farmland price strike pretti damn cheap titan silo can handl titan launcher larg srb can handl sort launcher massiv violat normal rang safeti rule care such thing event nuclear war peacetim matter and scrap year ago
sci.space	sunris sunset time articl new umbc edu rouben math math umbc edu rouben rostamian write for program algorithm that can us comput sunris and sunset time comput long time ago that comput length daylight you convert inform sunris and sunset time not sunris and sunset time not quit synchron for exampl earliest sunris latest sunset come longest dai year you can deriv dai length sunris and sunset time not vice versa
sci.space	spacecraft navig beacon articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write idea for space craft navig beacon and such not us nav point you exactli mean you nail that doesn move you watch time deactiv spacecraft you exactli you thi not hardwar board apart absolut for navig beacon gregori bond gnb bby burdett buckeridg young melbourn australia knox slick fox sox knox box knox box quick plai lot lsl sick apolog john iron bar mackin
sci.space	abyss breath fluid loss ec cmu edu doug loss write mechan problem move dens medium oan lung diaphragm fatigu etc like problem mixtur mean sinc lung never expel air inhal air mix pretti quickli residu air lung provid partial pressur oxygen thi mix substanti faster slower pressur talk interest articl scientif american time ago breath liquid month abyss can rememb mention thing that difficult onc substitut breath fluid low viscos difficult forc fluid lung you can extract oxygen power your breath effort alon diffus rate not air your lung expel you breath and part that isn expel part that nearest wall alveoli alveolu trip blood vessel air diffus ga fluid appar oxygen diffus readili even you can oxygen you not oxygen capac you dissolv ga per unit volum and your breath fluid not irrit lung interfer heal that wim lewi wiml washington edu
sci.space	keep spacecraft fund cut hhq murdoch acc virginia edu greg hennessi write articl aqr dnv access digex net prb access digex pat write question not transfer bird separ agenc contin fund support kind ongo scienc mission sinc don monei will chang seper agenc transfer control profit organis that accept donat craft oper greg nichol vidi nicho vnet ibm vici nicho olympu demon veni
sci.space	death and tax not give billion articl apr indyvax iupui edu tffreeba indyvax iupui edu write post thi subject threw idea fund such contest delv deep into budget mention grant miner right winner actual word mine right point quit correctli that such right not grant imagin fait accompli situat for winner thi give win group can compani corp year moratorium tax tom freebairn miner right govern major question you decid mine moon mar will stop you can legal tom fooleri can inforc you moon declar that you soverign nation will stop you not acknowledg you can small compani corp organ explor great space earth legal and not year ahead thi liek cathol church state portug and spain and reform and made null and void can happen find nation acknowledg and offer your servic space miner and mine asteroid mar moon long yur sponsor not troubl basic find countri into space can for soem reason anoth will give you home such saudia arabia nation world not part and offer your servic and such that sound crazi onc you mean mine moon can made busi will not care your worri thing limit short sight peopl earth thing worri that mine moon mar basic that drive yeasteryear bit farther ju bit and crown piss ancestor thought todai born central europ north black sea read good book tower god interest michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	eco freak forc space mine articl access digex net prb access digex pat write thi line hors puckei mine compani claim told pai for restor land strip mine mine coal midwest doesn moon theyar pat aint talk larg even mine compani talk small miner peopl and employe peopl year and set thier sluic box and such and mine semi fashion us modern method toa point talk gui coem nome evri year set tent beach beach wash last year and set sluic box and mine larg corp such alaska gold compani complain opinion learn local tabl origin thing idea that space mine eco freak thier miner develop you can place can bathroom wood form regul cover michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	billboard station space dock that mile long billboard and inflatebl space object station problem bit normal space idea such truss and shuttl dag and such not combin discuss and fesibl topic personnelli liek idea billboard space problem you servic fly shuttl and dismount and fly havign special dock section for shuttl dock billboard spring leak seal and such think rambl inflat billboard not cover insid harder substanc such polym agent and hard billboard giant dock structur space dock station miss michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	abyss breath fluid breathabl liquid rememb nova natur thing thi idea touch show noth such liquid show larg glass full thi liquid and put white mous rat sinc liquid not dens mous float held tong clutch tail thing struggl quit bit held long that breath liquid never slow frantic attempt swim top thi not human demonstr show breathabl liquid can made isaac kuo isaackuo math berkelei edu twinkl twinkl sig line big
sci.space	crazi imaginit apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write idea bit odd wall and such wilbur and orvil wright and quit not big degre and such wrong error human that wai import imagin dream and dream knowledg worthless and big degre don imagin huh alleg dichotomi imagin and knowledg pernici fallaci ag michael for gener offer quit dream you you hand let your dream wast fail math thermodynam chemistri your choic give your imagin wing show thi isn flame leav you quot invas bodi snatcher becom not bad you del cotter dac brunel
sci.space	vandal sky post thi sci astro didn make thought you wonder pithi commentari you gui never goodyear blimp pollut daytim and nightim ski oribit sign visibl sunset and sunris pollut night minim pai for space travel for don spatial billboard can head for pristin environ jupit moon thoma clark institut for simul and train univers central research parkwai suit orlando fax clark acm ucf edu
sci.space	vandal sky phil fraer pgf srl cac usl edu final thi isn bronz ag rememb that human activ practic warrior cast farm cast and priesthood profit cast bless god and freeli blare presenc even twilight fred baub
sci.space	command loss timer galileo updat articl apr kelvin jpl nasa gov baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov ron baalk write april command reset command loss timer hour plan thi mission phase thi activ regularli report ron interest post explain command loss timer alan bell vue court unfriendli home bell vue terrac fortun great malvern difficult work worcestershir kerr avon blake temporari agc bnr england perman alan gid
sci.space	death and tax not give billion articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write articl apr indyvax iupui edu tffreeba indyvax iupui edu write point quit correctli that such right not grant imagin fait accompli situat for winner thi give win group can compani corp year moratorium tax tom freebairn miner right govern tom thi grantabl granter will and abil stop take you never mind legal statu major question you decid mine moon mar will stop you can legal tom fooleri can inforc nick thi easier obtain forgiv permiss not peopl rememb that britain king georg iii expressli forbid american subject cross alleghani appalachian mountain subject basic stop you can couldn you moon declar that you soverign nation will stop you not acknowledg you that usa start that bolivarian republ start central america didn quit stai power usa exampl and ignor author jump mind can happen find nation acknowledg and offer your servic space miner and mine asteroid mar moon long yur sponsor not troubl whale nation defin activ you want carri scientif research coincident requir recoveri megatonn miner basic find countri into space can for soem reason anoth will give you home such saudia arabia lute keyser had thi sort arrang libya late for commerci space launch project earliest kill soviet propaganda nato cruis missil africa made libya reneg arrang doug loss
sci.space	death and tax not give billion last post refer michael adam nick complet error nick adam film and actor and earli rememb johnni yuma rebel part countri and michael email address nmsca help confus thing mind pure user headspac error part doug loss
sci.space	sunris sunset time articl apr titan tsd arlut utexa edu pearson tsd arlut utexa edu shirlen pearson write jpw cbi ec drexel edu joseph wetstein write for program algorithm that can us comput sunris and sunset time you mind post respons you interest and shirlen pearson pearson titan tsd arlut utexa edu excel softwar program call astro calc that that and latest address mmi corpor box baltimor phone van neie ven maxwel physic purdu edu purdu univers neie purccvm bitnet
sci.space	space station redesign chief resign for health reason writer kathi sawyer report todai washington post that joseph shea head space station redesign resign for health reason shea hospit shortli select februari return yesterdai lead formal present independ white hous panel shea present rambl and almost inaud shea deputi astronaut bryan connor will effort goldin assert that redesign effort track chuck divin
sci.space	clementin mission name wale larrison ofa fidonet org write pioneer song follow cavern canyon excav for mine dwelt miner forti niner and daughter clementin choru darl darl darl clementin you lost and forev darl clementin hope that perform spacecraft follow sentiment vers miner second lost and forev bruce dunn vancouv canada bruce dunn mindlink
sci.space	dream and degre crazi imaginit articl brunel dac brunel del cotter write apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write not big degre and such wrong error human that wai import imagin dream and dream knowledg worthless and big degre don imagin huh alleg dichotomi imagin and knowledg pernici fallaci ag michael for gener offer quit dream you you hand let your dream wast fail math thermodynam chemistri your choic give your imagin wing show thi isn flame leav you quot invas bodi snatcher becom not bad you del michael unfair you unfair back take colleg cours presum studi hard and post reveal that somewhat hip technic issu astronaut attent erudit discours big brain post sci space not inevit that will splendid technic educ read like you and involv sci space adam show symptom fledgl member technocultur and soak fast young gui dream onc and led technic educ follow bad wound assembl line job stamp ident neutrino dai dai rumor persist that del and pseudonym fred mccall bill higgin beam jockei you fermi nation acceler laboratori white sand june bitnet higgin fnal bitnet you bring your view graph internet higgin fnal fnal gov and bring rocketship span hepnet higgin col pete worden
sci.space	command loss timer galileo updat articl apr bnr agc bmdhh bnr alan carter write articl apr kelvin jpl nasa gov baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov ron baalk write april command reset command loss timer hour plan thi mission phase thi activ regularli report ron interest post explain command loss timer command loss timer part fault protect scheme spacecraft command loss timer countdown spacecraft assum lost commun earth and will set predetermin step regain contact command loss timer set hour and reset onc week cruis phase and set lower encount phase ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar and part veget
sci.space	eco freak forc space mine articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write commerici compani into space and miner explor basic eco freak make hard miner earth aren leav loophol glare space mine quit peopl you come basic industri civil won stop shut mine that mean end for worst thing you can true revolutionari that revolut unnecessari that problem can correct radic chang tell peopl that paradis can attain revolut treason vilest kind har peopl support spaceflight har buffalo pull your plough plenti muscl furrow will not you want work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	keep spacecraft fund cut articl almaden ibm nicho vnet ibm write sinc don monei will chang seper agenc transfer control profit organis that accept donat craft oper problem you can rais adequ amount monei that vike fund succe polit impact fundrais actual amount monei rais fairli inconsequenti not vike lander work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	command loss timer galileo updat articl apr bnr agc bmdhh bnr alan carter write command reset command loss timer thi activ regularli report ron interest post explain command loss timer not mistaken thi usual sort precaut loss commun that timer count continu hit that mean galileo hasn heard earth suspici long time and galileo fault time into fallback mode that minim chanc spacecraft damag and maxim chanc restor contact don exactli galileo such situat common exampl switch receiv theori that you listen di work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	space new feb articl ro zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write pluto atmospher will start freez and increas area pluto and charon will perman shadow that will make imag and geochem map imposs shadow come noth close block sunlight hit wouldn expect block view miss jim
sci.space	death and tax not give billion nsmca aurora alaska edu univers alaska fairbank write good deal healthi not deepli thought ideal delet below major question you decid mine moon mar will stop you can inforc parent compani busi and will face earth vulner govt sanction can stop you moon declar that you soverign nation will stop you for imho year will colonist will depend earth pull eventu will histori show that onc you mean mine moon can made busi will not care exactli you mean terror start intern incid your dream can come true crack egg make omelet thi sound fairli irrespons basic that drive yeasteryear bit farther ju bit and crown piss ancestor thought todai born central europ north black sea tie that bind will stronger for space colonist immigr that even intrepid asian explor that cross bere land bridg not carri air back michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack dream aliv dream cogent tom freebairn onc man built boat sail sank donleavi fairi tale york
sci.space	comet will launch comet commerci experi transport launch wallop island virginia and orbit earth for dai schedul come utah test train rang west salt lake citi utah messag thi group end march that launch march launch that dai not schedul launch and will come interest kind payload onboard for your norman anderson nanderso endor sim
sci.space	command loss timer galileo updat interest question galileo galileo hga stuck hga left close galileo had venu flybi hga point att sun venu cook foci element question couldn galileo manuev design such that hga not sun point aim earth that emerg situat spacecraft safe and seek caus hga sun point pat
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai campion headquart washington april phone kyle her johnson space center houston phone releas hubbl telescop servic mission schedul for eleven dai decemb flight endeavour space shuttl mission st servic hubbl space telescop hst schedul dai mission design accommod record spacewalk capabl for addit two need decis schedul extravehicular activ eva reach extens evalu underwat train maneuv time requir shuttl robot arm base softwar simul and actual eva task previou mission basic eva repackag margin that capabl respond dynam unknown spacewalk mission director randi brinklei improv probabl for mission success provid ad flexibl and adapt for react real time situat lai specif task complet each spacewalk offici determin that chang gyro solar arrai and wide field planetari camera and instal correct optic space telescop axial replac costar prioriti object mission look accomplish task highest lowest prioriti and recogn that major task gyro solar arrai and costar consum time set for each spacewalk eva deem milt heflin lead flight director for mission spacewalk will unpreced us two altern spacewalk team will allevi place stress crew previou mission requir two eva paid close attent lesson learn previou spacewalk and factor into timelin estim for eva heflin plan for space shuttl mission formul work schedul that repres realist timelin accomplish mission object plan call for water tank train session that includ support mission control center call joint integr simul last and hour addit stand alon underwat train run will practic individu task each spacewalk refin specif task each spacewalk will made base actual train experi month prior mission lesson learn spacewalk lead flight will valuabl assist st crew train techniqu endeavour june flight and discoveri juli mission will includ spacewalk evalu uniqu tool us hst mission evalu will understand differ actual weightless space and ground train water tank johnson space center houston and marshal space flight center huntsvil ala inflight spacewalk experi will assist gain insight into time requir for task and expand experi level astronaut corp flight control and trainer design servic space shuttl crew hubbl built grappl fixtur and handhold assist captur and repair procedur telescop launch aboard discoveri april that time nasa mix fleet manifest show revisit mission hst chang scienc instrument and make repair that becom end ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar and part veget
sci.space	moonbas race nasa resourc henri didn joe and big joe built year month for joe and month for big joe thought that for mercuri film pat
sci.space	eco freak forc space mine articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write articl access digex net prb access digex pat write thi line hors puckei mine compani claim told pai for restor land strip mine aint talk larg even mine compani talk small miner peopl and employe peopl year and set thier sluic box and such and mine semi fashion us modern method toa point lot small miner longer miner peopl live rent free feder land claim miner fact peopl not sustaint heir incom mine not even live full time and fotentim fair bit environment damag minign statut creat inth west uninhabit and design bring peopl into frontier time chang peopl chang deal you don constitut live industri forev claim job spout nonsens thi long term feder welfar program that outliv us pat
sci.space	planet imag orbit ether twist sci astro dmcaloon tuba calpoli edu david mcaloon write perfect parodi need random cap for chuckl love bit relev peopl starv somalia thi read name aloud you you week enjoi buffet
sci.space	will futur mgl access digex net prb access digex pat write articl apr julian uwo jdnicol prism cc uwo jame davi nicol write hmmm recal that attract solid state record player and radio wasn perform lower per unit cost vacuum tube system don solid state offer reliab bet and lower cost process scale care make statement solid state gener reliabl analog will you nasti follow tommi mac pat wait minut you pat pleas that you not suffer bugaboo small mind insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
sci.space	command loss timer galileo updat apr bnr agc bmdhh bnr alan carter write articl apr kelvin jpl nasa gov baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov ron baalk write april command reset command loss timer hour plan thi mission phase thi activ regularli report ron interest post explain command loss timer command loss timer timer that name probe that lost data link for receiv command expir command loss timer probe start search for earth sequenc involv antenna point and attitud consum fuel reestablish commun op period period real command probe that haven forgotten hope that clear comprehens insist perfect safeti for peopl don ball live real world mari shafer nasa am dryden fred mccall dseg don speak for and don speak for
sci.space	planet kuiper object found kuiper belt object call karla call smilei jame nicol
sci.space	vandal sky jeff cook ftcollinsco ncr jeff cook write articl research canon enzo research canon enzo liguori write space market light pollut observ read that even visibl dai leav alon night can that mile long billboard signific effect sky bright venu visibl dai complain that leo texa star parti year ago sky dark that venu light pollut set even billboard dark problem imagin observ object and halfwai your run your object occult guess that peopl state posit opinion not fanat observ typic that right minor extinguish major matter ridicul georg krumin georg krumin gfk uxa cso uiuc edu
sci.space	sirtf mission aliv jpl univers april sirtf busi mark whalen time extra tight nasa budget surviv number mission uncertain major design refin implement recent month jpl space infrar telescop facil sirtf major project consid troubl coupl year ago aliv and project scientist michael werner lighter spacecraft revis orbit and shorter mission ad expens project tremend scientif power and bright futur werner design follow highli success infrar astronom satellit ira and cosmic background explor cobe mission sirtf cryogen cool observatori for infrar astronomi space schedul for launch plan proce schedul ira pioneer work space base infrar astronomi year ago allow astronom view milki never and reveal thing galaxi and comet provid sky survei time sensit previous ground base observ cobe measur infrar and microwav background radiat larg angular scale and reveal fact earli univers illumin sirtf potenti jim evan jpl manag astrophys and fundament physic pre project recent that project million time capabl ira base technolog advanc infrar detector arrai despit enorm stride infrar explor sirtf promis and fact that cite highest prioriti initi for astronomi nation academi scienc diet die direct nasa headquart last year project werner project atla sirtf base kei factor design satellit will orbit sun earth permit us atla rocket launch propos and heavier titan main advantag solar orbit that you can us your launch capabl for boost payload you don carri second rocket circular orbit werner advantag solar orbit that thermal environ heat earth addit major sirtf redesign includ shorten mission year and build spacecraft that half heavi origin plan atla sirtf will weigh kilogram pound compar titan sirtf kilogram pound that add stress launch environ werner and cost save million for launch addit increas save design smaller massiv spacecraft werner sirtf redesign result congress tell nasa you thing you want support sirtf good project develop plan fit into nasa strategi shortli thereaft sirtf name nasa highest prioriti flagship scientif mission interdisciplinari space scienc advisori committe addit bless nation academi scienc spacecraft and instrument requir descop project aliv sirtf major scientif contribut promis come advanc infrar detector arrai will imag develop ten thousand time faster evan coupl year ago werner infrar astronomi singl detector small arrai individu assembl detector sinc depart defens develop program produc arrai ten hundr thousand detector and suit for us sirtf werner note that addit deal budget pressur congress watch nasa project ey for technolog spinoff that question thing detector straight militari develop sirtf will built aerospac industri and real technolog and engin challeng addit tremend scientif project sirtf will us entir astronom commun werner ad revis year mission put premium observ time educ user commun and develop program that involv earli survei and quick turnaround data werner downsiz project requir reduct scope and complex sirtf instrument infrar spectrograph infrar arrai camera and multiband imag photomet reduct will result loss effici capabl project hope start phase activ will provid detail concept for develop and design build hardwar begin two year project cost estim evan million million optimist sirtf will provid tremend return for invest werner ad that addit benefit project will enrich intellectu and cultur environ peopl street interest astronomi black hole possibl life planet origin univers and kind question sirtf will answer ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar and part veget
sci.space	stephen hawk tour jpl jpl univers april cosmologist stephen hawk tour lab karr marino year visit jpl prof stephen hawk lucasian professor mathemat cambridg univers and author histori time return lab april tour host jpl chief scientist moustafa chahin and merl mckenzi manag intern affair offic hawk visit varieti facil met lab director edward stone and project scientist and manag and felt royalti hawk theori attempt explain origin distant galaxi black hole and altern dimens want visit jpl explain interest thing space that farther that step hawk accompani famili two graduat student and aid began tour von karman auditorium david evan deputi assist lab director offic flight project and arden albe mar observ project scientist brief current and past flight project voyag point special attent paid gold plate seri engrav imag extraterrestri life stumbl spacecraft evan note find varieti imag that explain earth professor ask commun spacecraft and evan affirm that model mar observ albe spent minut describ project and spacecraft featur answer question hawk chahin describ propos drag free satellit confirm that thi point concept chahin had met hawk caltech year describ professor live miracl power brain miracul and such good sens humor stop demonstr scientif data visual section digit imag anim lab entertain and delight group don goggl view imag mar project scientist eric jong show latest data comet that had recent discov orbit close jupit hawk curiou composit and shown imag develop ask question interpret norman hayn ald offic telecommun and data acquisit brief professor space flight oper facil and hawk spoke stone dai end two technic discuss interest professor technic group leader frank estabrook and senior research scientist hugo wahlquist describ spacecraft graviti wave experi planetari astronom richard terril explain philosophi and plan for extra solar system planetari detect hawk parti had visit southern california for week headquart caltech and plan leav for england week lab tour depart cambridg base scientist promis chahin that return jpl for anoth visit ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar and part veget
sci.space	sunris sunset time apr cbi ec drexel edu jpw cbi ec drexel edu joseph wetstein write for program algorithm that can us comput sunris and sunset time advic onc thought easiest fit sine time not thi gave discrep upto six minut you fit sine seri you good fit term thi eccentr earth orbit simon tardel simon nada kth gra cg
sci.space	jpl vlbi project meet intern space agenc jpl univers april vlbi project meet intern space agenc mcnevin member jpl space long baselin interferometri vlbi project team recent conclud week long seri meet offici russia and japan meet part space vlbi week held jpl earli march and intend maintain cooper intern space agenc particip develop space vlbi project recent approv jpl flight project set for launch space vlbi will util two earth orbit spacecraft japanes vsop vlbi space observ program satellit meter radio telescop and russian radioastron meter satellit spacecraft will team ground base radio telescop locat world creat radio telescop network that astronom hope will expand radio telescop observ power factor japan vsop satellit will us limit six hour orbit conduct imag scienc russian radioastron spacecraft will exploit larger hour earth orbit conduct exploratori radio astronomi each satellit will point sourc target for roughli hour approxim ground base radio telescop will simultan point sourc object view earth joel smith jpl project manag for space vlbi meet held jpl will permit japan and russia previou experi radio interferometri establish work relationship radio astronomi commun that will vital complex observ requir space vlbi project main activ develop methodolog for intern coordin two spacecraft simultan reli track station ground base radio telescop observ celesti object smith track antenna built dsn facil and track facil locat japan russia and green bank thi global network ground base radio telescop will us precis clock and high speed record collect observ data and forward inform correl locat nation radio astronomi observatori socorro correl will combin and process data make mission investig moscow tokyo and jpl electron mail smith optimist that massiv radio telescop creat space vlbi network will provid radio astronom resolut achiev ground base radio telescop allow astronom closer distant object space long histori radio astronomi ground base telescop smith intend extend radio astronomi into earth orbit goal deeper into core galact nuclei quasar and activ radio sourc understand drive thing radio astronomi smith note that examin activ galact nuclei you find jet appear spew speed greater light and energi level that million time greater you expect astronom that black hole locat core galaxi and that fuel jet smith hope that space vlbi into core thi theori support disprov russian space flight hardwar includ transpond and transmitt test unit state and japanes hardwar schedul arriv for test thi year analysi thi hardwar will permit scientist and engin understand modifi high speed vlba correl oper nrao order accommod odd data pattern that will origin ground base radio telescop involv space vlbi smith pleas that meet japanes and russian space agenc offici held jpl march proceed smoothli that polit uncertainti russia jeopard that countri particip project noth smooth russian incred open anticip likelihood that will not succe polit factor control keep thing scientist side hard and peopl recogn cooper thi level smith point that japanes space agenc stake fulfil intern commit scienc mission japanes extrem cooper sinc intern cooper essenti scienc mission smith note that japanes space agenc offici space vlbi mission opportun showcas technolog involv vsop spacecraft and highli regard mach launch vehicl risk involv undertak such ambiti project jpl smith satisfi that plan for space vlbi project signific financi and polit hurdl that threaten project fortun virtu two partner and fall spacecraft independ scientif excit mission ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar and part veget
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sci.space	level articl almaden ibm wingert vnet ibm bret wingert write onboard flight softwar project rate level nasa team thi group gener ksloc verifi code per year for nasa will ignor physicist term level come sound risk digest equival larg extra larg jumbo defcon gather mean that shuttl softwar develop extrem care reliablil and safeti and almost comput world level cheesi dime store softwar not surpris that invent thi standard and come familiar shakespear bill higgin beam jockei origin wrote thing fermi nation acceler laboratori kill editor bitnet higgin fnal bitnet for reason didn internet higgin fnal fnal gov surviv past draft span hepnet higgin david laserdav levin davidl ssd intel
sci.space	space station redesign jsc altern worth uuencod gif imag chart outlin altern space station design consid crystal citi mark holderman work hall and can reach for comment mail mholderm jscprof nasa gov mark propos thi design call geod rough gem insid strongback integr hab modul and centrifug you can file geodea gif space shuttl extern tank place truss part space station freedom white track us station remont manipul system srm and reaction control system rc pod thi rc pod move track that thrust can occur center graviti station mass properti station chang assembl inlin modul design shuttl dock easili can approach closer station and structur strong part station current ssf design dock forc limit pound constrain design dock system hatch instal pre flight addit launch mass had abil put into orbit contrari rumor circul never had reason had good reason not perform penalti control debri gener and eventu orbit and impact footprint onc orbit vent residu insul sofi erod orbit impact atom oxygen stai and deploi kevlar sheath protect and contamin local space environ option advantag provid micrometeor protect incred strong rememb support stack launch and serv nucleu for ambiti design budget permit white modul end contain set control moment gyro us for attitud control rc will us for gyro desatur modul contain orbit system can us end station life perform control orbit don kill kangaroo skylab centrifug volum hab modul us for long term studi effect lunar martian graviti human centrifug will us momentum storag devic for attitud control system centrifug mount modul opposit and solar panel thi design exist ssf design for electr data and commun system get leverag ssf work date mark propos thi design joe shea committe crystal citi and report that warmli receiv rumor hear that design base wingless space shuttl orbit like note that thi text interpret mark design you note gif file post file sci space post for anon ftp am arc nasa gov storag space you that ken jenk nasa jsc space shuttl program offic kjenk gothamc jsc nasa gov develop space station inevit rise sun wernher von braun
sci.space	planet kuiper object found recent articl jdnicol prism cc uwo jame davi nicol write kuiper belt object call karla call smilei imag thing possibl kuiper belt object discov last year smilei jeff foust dai you outer space senior planetari scienc caltech iowa work jafoust cco caltech edu outer space jeff scn jpl nasa gov star trek voyag home
sci.space	russian email contact coordin space shuttl program offic mail traffic npo energia for joint mission mail address for npo energia folk won post net for obviou reason you give yell ken jenk nasa jsc space shuttl program offic kjenk gothamc jsc nasa gov earth cradl human mankind will not stai cradl forev konstantin tsiolkvoski
sci.space	vandal sky articl dnw cmu edu flb flb optiplan baub write phil fraer pgf srl cac usl edu final thi isn bronz ag rememb that human activ practic warrior cast farm cast and priesthood profit cast bless god and freeli blare presenc even twilight priesthood never quit forgiven merchant aka profit cast sic for rise power steinn sigurdsson lick observatori steinli lick ucsc edu standard disclaim you penguin type offend gosh life offens offensensit
sci.space	planet kuiper object found articl innjkv gap caltech edu jafoust cco caltech edu jeff foust write recent articl jdnicol prism cc uwo jame davi nicol write kuiper belt object call karla call smilei imag thing possibl kuiper belt object discov last year smilei happen second karla smilei subject vagari iau thi slide steinn sigurdsson lick observatori steinli lick ucsc edu standard disclaim worst thing you can true revolutionari that revolut unnecessari that problem can correct radic chang tell peopl that paradis can attain revolut treason vilest kind had sig thi forum
sci.space	space new feb jbreed doink ingr jame reed write articl ro zoo toronto edu henri zoo toronto edu henri spencer write pluto atmospher will start freez and increas area pluto and charon will perman shadow that will make imag and geochem map imposs understand that freez will start occur grow distanc pluto and charon sun due ellipt orbit not due shadow effect shadow come noth close block sunlight hit wouldn expect block view miss pluto can shadow charon and vice versa georg krumin georg krumin gfk uxa cso uiuc edu pufferfish observatori
sci.space	counntri space surveil ethnocentr usian that assum that and xussr countri signific capabl track cooper object low earth orbit graze coupl databas recent found that japan optic capabl thi line and radar design for purpos for orbit debri survei isn clear whether radar can determin orbit element for object detect abstract articl append thi lead gener question peopl russia and japan space surveil and and allen thomson saic mclean usa abstract optic track experiment geodet satellit eg takab masao itab toshikazu aruga tadashi radio research laboratori review issn vol march japanes abstract english thi paper report optic track result eg experiment geodet satellit launch august nasda eg optic track experi process and outlin radio research laboratori rrl optic ground station discuss star track techniqu for optic equip calibr and satellit track techniqu for orbit predict improv describ accuraci eg track data obtain rrl request nasda discuss addit briefli demonstr that posit japanes amateur satellit ja launch eg accur determin mean satellit track video clear thi experi that optic observ data satellit direct data for satellit orbit determin initi launch stage result confirm effectiven two satellit optic track techniqu radar measur orbit debri sato toru kayama hidetoshi furusawa akira kimura iwan kyoto univers japan aiaa nasa and dod orbit debri confer technic issu and futur direct baltimor apr rpn aiaa paper distribut orbit debri versu height and scatter cross section determin seri observ made high power vhf doppler radar radar japan autom data process algorithm develop discrimin echo orbit object undesir signal such meteor trail echo lightn atmospher result preliminari show good agreement norad track radar observ higher frequenc found that collis frequenc space station size altitud orbit debri expect high onc per two year monitor radar antenna pattern satellit ohzora exo sato inooka fukao kyoto univ japan kato kyoto univ uji japan radio atmospher scienc center intern council scientif union middl atmospher program handbook for map vol public date jun attempt mst mesospher stratospher tropospher type radar middl and upper atmospher radar featur activ phase arrai system unlik convent larg vhf radar output power larg vacuum tube distribut individu antenna element each solid state power amplifi feed each antenna element thi system configur enabl fast beam steer flexibl oper divid antenna into independ subarrai phase shift and signal divis combin perform low signal level electron devic control comput network antenna beam can switch microsec direct zenith angl deg sinc precis phase align each element crucial realiz excel perform thi system care calibr output phase each power amplifi and antenna element carri aircraft us for thi purpos artifici satellit advantag make long term monitor system antenna pattern monitor system for radar develop scientif satellit ohzora exo receiv name mum radar antenna monitor board satellit measur signal watt transmit radar principl measur and result discuss equatori radar system fukao shoichiro tsuda toshitaka sato toru kato susumu kyoto univers uji japan cospar iaga scostep plenari meet workshop and symposium earth middl atmospher espoo finland juli advanc space research issn vol larg clear air radar sensit incoher scatter radar for observ equatori atmospher altitud design japan radar will built pontianak west kalimantan indonesia deg deg system mhz monostat doppler radar activ phase arrai configur similar that radar japan success oper sinc will product averag transmitt power effect antenna apertur sensit approxim time that radar thi system configur enabl puls puls beam steer deg zenith case radar varieti oper will made feasibl supervis radar control descript system configur present
sci.space	mar observ updat forward mar observ project mar observ statu report april pdt flight sequenc activ spacecraft subsystem and instrument payload perform arrai normal spin and outer cruis configur uplink and downlink high gain antenna uplink bp downlink engin data rate result spacecraft enter conting mode april payload instrument automat power board fault protect softwar gamma rai spectromet random access memori successfulli reload mondai april prepar for magnetomet calibr reschedul for execut flight sequenc tuesdai and wednesdai week reload payload data system random access memori will place thi morn begin thi weekend flight team will send real time command perform differenti rang obtain addit data for analysi navig team radio scienc ultra stabl oscil test will place mondai flight sequenc uplink will occur sundai april activ midnight mondai even april modifi includ magnetomet calibr not perform due conting mode entri april magnetomet instrument calibr will instrument team character spacecraft gener magnet field and effect instrument thi inform critic martian magnet field measur occur approach and map phase mag cal will requir sequenc command spacecraft arrai normal spin state and perform slew and roll maneuv provid mag team data point vari spacecraft attitud and orient todai spacecraft mar travel veloc kilomet second mph respect mar light time approxim minut second ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar and part veget
sci.space	magellan updat forward doug griffith magellan project manag magellan statu report april magellan spacecraft continu oper gather graviti data plot densiti variat venu mid latitud solar panel offpoint return degre and spacecraft temperatur drop degre end end test delai aerobrak data readout process conduct thi week prepar for transit experi difficulti lock data frame and engin present check whether problem equip track station magellan complet orbit venu and dai end cycl and start transit experi magellan scientist particip brown vernadski microsymposium brown univers provid thi week thi joint meet and russian venu research continu for year dai simul transit experi aerobrak activ plan for week includ orbit trim maneuv and starcal star calibr orbit ron baalk baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propuls lab telo aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar and part veget
sci.space	planet kuiper object found articl steinli apr topaz ucsc edu steinli topaz ucsc edu steinn sigurdsson write articl innjkv gap caltech edu jafoust cco caltech edu jeff foust write recent articl jdnicol prism cc uwo jame davi nicol write kuiper belt object call karla call smilei imag thing possibl kuiper belt object discov last year smilei happen second karla smilei subject vagari iau thi slide gee feel ignor research post jame nicol
sci.space	space station redesign chief resign for health reason articl xugl jow skate gsfc nasa gov xrcjd mudpuppi gsfc nasa gov charl divin write writer kathi sawyer report todai washington post that joseph shea head space station redesign resign for health reason shea hospit shortli select februari return yesterdai lead formal present independ white hous panel shea present rambl and almost inaud miss present morn session shea gave rambl and almost inaud present attend afternoon session meet small confer room speaker wire mike and microphon tabl for panel member us peon sat foyer confer room and watch present close circuit gener sound system fair poor and speaker committe member italian space agenc almost inaud shea didn lead formal present sens run guid present didn even attend afternoon session vest ran show presid mit chair advisori panel shea deputi astronaut bryan connor will effort note that connor run dai dai oper redesign team sinc shea sick immedi panel form
sci.space	surviv larg acceler amruth laxman andrew cmu edu write read spaceflight handbook and author discuss solar sail and forc act and gain initi acceler pass close sun hyperbol orbit magnitud such acceler estim order that thi not big problem for man craft human and thi publish withstood acceler thi long wind question final acceler fact humanli toler aid mechan devic us absorb acceler can thi extend larger acceler you number pilot blackout dive that exce human toler clarifi thi lan advanc amruth laxman
sci.space	eco freak forc space mine articl kbi access digex net prb access digex pat write articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write articl access digex net prb access digex pat write thi line hors puckei mine compani claim told pai for restor land strip mine aint talk larg even mine compani talk small miner peopl and employe peopl year and set thier sluic box and such and mine semi fashion us modern method toa point lot small miner longer miner peopl live rent free feder land claim miner fact peopl not sustaint heir incom mine not even live full time and fotentim fair bit environment damag minign statut creat inth west uninhabit and design bring peopl into frontier time chang peopl chang deal you don constitut live industri forev claim job spout nonsens thi long term feder welfar program that outliv us pat hum you enjoi put word mouth come nome and meet miner not thing south lower us visit media new heck plain crazi that alot unionist type that job and not priviledg job your forbear kennedi and tel you and famili marri into reason historian and poli sci type us unionist and socialist breath miner that your averag hardwork peopl pai tax and earn live tax not answer move thi discuss newsgroup michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	space new feb articl apr dazixco ingr jbreed ingr write pluto atmospher will start freez and increas area pluto and charon will perman shadow that will make imag and geochem map imposs shadow come noth close block sunlight hit wouldn expect block view miss you assum that normal rotat carri area surfac into sunlight not even earth each pole get week sunlight mid winter pluto and charon extrem axial tilt and longer orbit pluto north pole for exampl get centuri dark centuri perpetu light moment luck pluto and charon past equinox sun horizon pole each probe vicin pole each will long term shadow thi will steadili wors longer wait work man work henri spencer toronto zoologi kipl henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	space design movi grasp pictur space relat item space station design you can finish revolt you don grasp prograsm check adult entertain file and mean geta gif file and creat slide show cshow can thi liek space shuttl design autocad program revolt and michael adam nsmca acad alaska edu not high jack
sci.space	vandal sky articl research canon enzo research canon enzo liguori write messag delet light pollut observ read that even visibl dai leav alon night depress enzo depress thi light aren dai shouldn daytim light pollut
sci.space	space station redesign jsc altern articl apr aio jsc nasa gov kjenk gothamc jsc nasa gov write descript extern tank option for ssf redesign delet mark propos thi design joe shea committe crystal citi and report that warmli receiv rumor hear that design base wingless space shuttl orbit like ken top thing extern tank and wingless orbit option delet ssf redesign option list todai edit york time report that connor told panel that redesign propos drop such giant extern fuel tank us launch space shuttl and build station exist space shuttl wing and tail remov option consid present advisori panel meet yesterdai and report todai time option low cost modular approach thi option studi team msfc ssf redesign team msfc jsc and larc support srt station redesign team crystal citi lerc and reston folk site locat help respect team redesign activ kei featur thi option bu modular bu develop lockhe that qualifi for st and elv bu propuls commun data manag lockhe develop thi for air forc power station capabl obtain shuttl flight ssf solar arrai us provid power vehicl fli arrow mode optim micrograv environ shuttl spacelab mission util vehilc power sourc for dai mission human tend capabl oppos ssf sexist term man tend capabl achiev addit common modul thi modifi version exist ssf lab modul dock port ad for intern partner lab take place node ssf shuttl can dock station for dai mission orbit provid crew habit eva capabl intern human tend add nasda esa modul and add anoth power perman human presenc capabl add power modul habit modul and acrv assur crew return vehicl option space station freedom deriv option team base larc and lead mike griffin thi option alot exist ssf design come and love thi option assum lightweight extern tank for us ssf assembl flight option number flight comput for inclin orbit for option and build occur six phase initi research capabl reach flight power transfer vehicl orbit spacelab visit man tend capabl griffin not adopt sexist languag achiev flight lab deploi and solar power modul power perman human presenc capabl occur flight keep orbit orbit us acrv sometim two orbit orbit acrv and second that come for logist suppli two fault toler capabl achiev flight addit power modul anoth thermal control system radiat and propuls modul flight intern board power habit modul and acrv ad finish assembl flight system ssf us thi option except data manag system major option singl core launch station thi jsc lead option basic you diamet cylind that long slap space shuttl main engin backsid put nose cone top attach regular shuttl extern tank and regular set solid rocket motor and launch can kei featur complet end end ground integr and checkout tangenti mount fix solar panel bodi mount radiat add protect micrometeroid orbit debri centerlin dock port each end berth port singl pressur volum approxim cubic feet twice volum skylab floor center passagewai floor housekeep power grace degrad failur power channel thermal loop dual environment control life support system increas crew time for util micro core modul
sci.space	vandal sky newsgroup sci astro sci space subject vandal sky excerpt post thi topic articl research canon enzo research canon enzo liguori write space market work univers colorado and livermor engin plan place mile long inflat billboard low earth orbit real purpos project environ platform will carri ozon monitor can that mile long billboard signific effect sky bright venu visibl dai complain that leo visibl twilight sky bright and even miniscul impact for short time zip across sky satellit midnight not twilight book prodig geniu life nikola tesla john neill thi remark conduct gase includ air low pressur led tesla suggest publish statement system light terrestri scale propos treat earth surround atmospher singl lamp earth transform into giant lamp night sky complet illumin make night bright dai comment add that protest not come strictli practic consider pollut level accept for research activ profession astronom complain root aesthet reader never time heaven pristin sacr unsulli action human space star profoundli black abyss can full horizon and pure sky half creation time had connect petti matter man light suppli sole natur uncorrupt men religion base mortal man get and immort star whether apotheosi belief afterlif space ag chang that effect sputnik and echo etc thi view happen onc light cross night sky and put puni peopl impress and sens size get assimil scale involv awesom even hundr thousand mile involv dwarf rest univers hunger for pure beauti virgin sky aircraft almost sight live popul area mile intern airport light pollut ground ghastli impact human extrem virtual place exist that not shape sculpt modifi trash whip into shape hand man place life form larger bacteria human cockroach and squirrel rat visit friend appalacian mountain weekend get pave road indoor plumb mall and felt good for quickli notic hollow directli main flight path into dull mile east secur light didn matter heard artic wilder get lot high air traffic ski rare perfect thi desir place that man hasn foul mean thi forev tesla idea banish night wow don watch commerci televis can imagin disgust beer truck hemmorrhoid ointment advertis high gotta make buck displai product heaven reaction for sky last beauti refug base modern life open thi list passag hst even sky for thi weekend tonight fridai edt will reach altitud degre local meridian baltimor vicin can mealticket suppos call elitist for support thi intrus night sky complain billboard propos that point desir for beauti valid even can perfectli achiev regard hathawai baltimor
sci.space	not give billion year keithlei appl craig keithlei write not that singl goal prize stai moon for year wise and prize for govern sponser unman moon land anoth for man moon land anoth for system extract consum lunar soil anoth for reusabl earth moon shuttl and find build civilian moonbas infrastructur singl goal result bunch contest give person appear win and for that didn give find scari half dozen peopl huddl ricketi moon shelter reward for oper for competit lastli ten fifteen year back recal that english space magazin that had discuss moonbas cheap recal discuss thing heat human bodi produc lunar materi for protect solar flare etc don rememb name thi magazin thi ring bell craig keithlei don rememb don recal appl comput inc memori keithlei appl peter gabriel album love idea progress development prize assumpt that gummint fund prize wouldn and couldn such thing eccentr billionair offer such prize seri prize ross perot bill gate person john
sci.space	planet imag orbit ether twist new save apr gmt articl apr zeu calpoli edu dmcaloon tuba calpoli edu david mcaloon write ether implod earth core graviti thi paper describ heavenli bodi can stationari ether suck structur and observ orbit motion light year galaxi misnom distanc closer time and matter characterist thi phase realiti dissip outward each layer onion defin edg ether spin find thi recommend studi histori work get impati made egyptian chines and greek cultur and rennais insight don gell perhap appendix histori kind fun lot good yarn vari and interest charact and come
sci.space	vandal sky jeff cook ftcollinsco ncr jeff cook write peopl primit tribe middl and can budweis fly across sky that movi come send quest rid dang thing jeff cook jeff cook ftcollinsco ncr phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man
sci.space	dream and degre crazi imaginit higgin fnalf fnal gov bill higgin beam jockei write involv sci space adam show symptom fledgl member technocultur and soak fast young gui dream onc and led technic educ follow bad wound assembl line job stamp ident neutrino dai dai can you ident you star drek syndic neutrino scanner phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man
sci.space	question discuss delta clipper program and small question understand deriv orbit vehicl reenter atmospher sort sidewai not complet nose symmetr draw that asymmetr design sort wingless orbit work sinc shield requir top side can explain ken kobayashi kkobaya husc harvard edu ken kobayashi kkobaya husc harvard edu final frontier ibm
sci.space	trajectori simul talk last month interest transcrib note below sinc note take abil mean infal assum that factual error mine permiss grant copi thi restrict note for newbi delta clipper project gear produc singl staget orbit reusabl launch vehicl vehicl scale vehicl design test concept invovl ssto undergo test vehicl full scale experiment vehicl capabl reach orbit not fund april rocki nelson macdonnel dougla gave talk entitl optim techniqu for advanc space mission univers illinoi nelson job involv softwar simul trajectori and determin optim trajectori requir not directli involv delta clipper project spent time recent softwar for applic us project for exampl don detail implicit trajectori simul interest reader hope aren fell asleep that part that you will interest detail glean exampl exampl maxim payload for polar orbit main restrict that acceler remain below assum that thi driven passeng constraint hardwar constraint not verifi that delta clipper version engin booster and sustain booster lower isp shut mid flight critic question shut nelson show plot acceler time ascii graph thi fairli good big differ that line made curv concav data approxim graph wasn for long sec sec mention critic constraint that level below initi engin start vehicl burn fuel acceller increas get close booster engin throtl back quickli becom ineffici low power make sens cut altogeth thi dip acceller second eventu remain sustain engin bring level back and hold cut engin cutoff not acut occur orbit trajectori aim for altitud slightli higher desir and last vestig air drag slow vehicl slightli lower final altitud that desir question audienc paraphras make sens shut booster engin pair onc percept worth not simul shut part problem final payload for thi trajectori can read aviat leak appar had good propuls exampl told not us question thi secur due sdio protect nation secur protect interest second exampl reentri simul orbit pitch maneuv biggest constraint thi aerodynam heat and paramet maxim crossrang show graph heat two model show that similar and suppos assum that thi meant accur end result that for polar orbit land ksc degre crossrang and start reentri profil degre south latitud ask land maneuv didn that aspect flight profil josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu find make attribut hannib
sci.space	rimsat russian joint ventur talk last month interest transcrib note below sinc note take abil mean infal assum that factual error mine permiss grant copi thi restrict michael sternberg cheif oper rimsat invit speak inform lunch held acdi campu univers illinoi acdi organ campu that deal arm control disarma and intern secur rimsat consid topic compani russian launcher and satellit help that daughter grad student intern relat program concept rimsat appar began matt neilson tonga visit friend end visit king happen big fan matt bought king satellit dish king thought nifti sinc tonga gnp million majesti ask make monei thi matt thought suggest tonga appli for geosynchron satellit slot thi isn wall unusu tonga tini kingdom space program and lot slot thing debat regulatori agenc and carl hilliard appar respect space lawyer wrote opinion support tonga case eventu tonga end slot rang slot design longitud resid sternberg world excel for commun hawaii and pacif rim rimsat form us slot offici form nevi tax haven for year rais fund west fill slot western satellit launch western launcher cost approxim billion not easi rais that kind monei eventu hit idea russian hardwar began negoti glavkosmo for hardwar sternberg describ oper moscow such harsh term that don visit for long time signific lack creatur comfort not happi that peopl oper for exampl can sell you can show proper document and licens that author sell you want eventu rimsat arrang deal glavkosmo for satellit cost million glavkosmo lost favor coup sternberg that thi basic bunch kgb oper trade show and pick lot brochur sinc glavkosmo power had renegoti deal author describ life moscow hotel unfavor term eventu work deal and dec met koptev head russian space program sign deal koptev insist concess sign and sternberg arrang rule form anoth compani exact thing rimsat step meet builder hardwar npo appli mechan npo us acronym thi organ locat siberia can figur spell town atla and built vehicl sinc dawn space ag sternberg comment that siberian musovit hard worker honest peopl team thing midwestern thi point comment audienc that agre opinion siberian and midwestern sternberg had lot good thing npo compani appar lookng for million invest firm becom partner appar cost russian million build satellit that sell for million west you want give specif build you satellit for satellit that rimsat will cost run per transpond year thi compar can sell time for million compar million rimsat will launch satellit proton price bought bulk right twelv launch you lift can give you address launch schedul for octob and get us satellit russian move into place tidbit sternberg thi kind thing entrepreneur not big busi big busi that paper bathroom and copier russian launch insur promis replac fail launch month major investor rimsat includ russel huge retir fund organ cellsat big telecom busi southeast asia and fund oper big name aerospac sort insur polici for thi take downplai instabilit ussr that worri partli aren us russia unvari monolith itali get govern two week don worri us predict that onc us russia won worri stabil part problem cooper ventur problem transfer monei central bank polici take hard currenc payment put coffer and replac rest equival rubl thi rimsat pai hard currenc into austrian bank account npo pai contractor foreign currenc that contractor swindl govern big problem rimsat had stonewal western satellit industri intelsat recent bought type satellit reassur biggest worri peopl russian satellit primit technolog and shorter lifetim older gorizont horizon satellit lifetim year modern express satellit compar western technolog and last year thi shorter year for western satellit sternberg downplai differ price can afford launch addit shorter lifetim mean that can replac equip newer technolog will compet older date hardwar josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu find make attribut hannib
sci.space	space station redesign jsc altern dbm lerc nasa gov david mckissock write text option and delet option singl core launch station thi jsc lead option basic you diamet cylind that long slap space shuttl main engin backsid put nose cone top attach regular shuttl extern tank and regular set solid rocket motor and launch can kei featur complet end end ground integr and checkout tangenti mount fix solar panel bodi mount radiat add protect micrometeroid orbit debri centerlin dock port each end berth port singl pressur volum approxim cubic feet twice volum skylab floor center passagewai floor housekeep power grace degrad failur power channel thermal loop dual environment control life support system increas crew time for util micro core modul north america modular space station construct apprach reason construct occur assembl line condit random weather problem interupt site work your home qualiti control sound point strang attract for thi idea live modular home alter mind thing that scare part simpli strap ssme and nosecon and launch thi vision terribl wrong launch result complet loss modular space station not peic case stage orbit construct michael santangelo internet mike cbl umd edu work dept head comput network system mike kavishar umd edu home umce cbl solomon island bitnet mike umuc fwd mike cbl
sci.space	jemison star trek articl apr aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu write articl ec cmu edu loss ec cmu edu doug loss write newspap last night that mae jemison black woman space physician and chemic engin flew endeavour last year will transport oper star trek gener episod that air week space scienc interest doug loss interest rigth will make mention astronaut credit peopl connect futur space present and give idea that into space transport oper that import transport nameless ensign job for such guest appear expect visibl meaning role carlo niederstrass two thing infinit princeton planetari societi univers and human stupid and not einstein carlosn phoenix princeton edu space phoenix princeton edu astra per ardua nostra
sci.space	command loss timer galileo updat prb access digex pat write galileo hga stuck hga left close galileo had venu flybi hga point att sun venu cook foci element question couldn galileo manuev design such that hga not sun point hga isn that reflect wavelength that cook focal element figur good scale problem that antenna not expos venu level sunlight icaru wing melt glue and such electron that worri had remain furl and axi point sun that small sunshad tip antenna mast shadow fold hga larger sunshad beneath antenna shield spacecraft bu mark looper hot rodder america recycl
sci.space	gamma rai burster evid that gamma rai burster enorm power wonder quantum black hole that fairli close galact rang pet theori that fly saucer enter hyperspac reason ask that assum that collid nuetron star spin black hole wonder mechan exist and place closer pat
sci.space	stephen hawk tour jpl articl apr kelvin jpl nasa gov baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov ron baalk write model mar observ albe spent minut describ project and spacecraft featur answer question hawk chahin describ propos drag free satellit confirm that thi point concept chahin had met hawk caltech bad didn give tour cgro data fascin gamma rai burster mind hawk even propos mechan drag free satellit coat carri aluminum gold set grate dead album inquir mind want and carri featur for drag free thought aero brake experiment activ pat
sci.space	boom whoosh articl mcginn gap caltech edu kwp wag caltech edu kevin plaxco write articl scicom alphacdc wat scicom alphacdc bruce watson write onc inflat substanc longer need sinc noth balloon collaps thi inflat structur suffer multipl hole disastr deflat preasur and intern preasur that need maintain spheric shape thi resist caus catastroph deflat larg silver shard billboard pop dime store balloon you wrong thi give time refer bruce watson wat scicom alphacdc
sci.space	level subject shuttl softwar happen hypothesi that shuttl flight softwar major factor loss wit that wind shear event flight control softwar seri violent engin movement that shock and set upa harmon reson lead overstress strut pat
sci.space	graviti wave predict graviti wave quantiz cosmic nois articl aud csn org teal csn org eric taylor write teal csn org eric taylor subject graviti wave predict graviti wave quantiz cosmic nois summari dong dong hear death knell rel keyword space curvatur noth tesla date sun mar gmt articl kvjf metar tom van flandern write crb kelvin sea virginia edu cameron randal bass write bruce scott launchpad unc edu bruce scott write exist undefin synonym observ physic crb dong dong dong hear death knell string theori agre you can add dark matter and quark and lot unobserv pure theoret construct physic that list includ omni present black hole will bruce argu that exist can infer theori alon origin critic curvatur can exist rel curv bruce repli exist undefin synonym observ physic cannot observ dimens moment don defend that statement and exist unobserv phenomena simultan tom hold that space cannot curv for simpl reason that can properti properti can speak deal matter fill space that presenc larg bodi space becom curv equival state that can act noth for refus subscrib such view nikola tesla tesla year ahead time perhap time come
sci.space	gamma rai burster prb access digex pat write evid that gamma rai burster enorm power wonder quantum black hole that fairli close galact rang gamma rai burst grb come equal direct number bright faint consist equal dens for can contain finit sphere sphere fuzzi edg center measur statist and you can hide suffici small number type grb origin data assum that popul grb data that radiu center distribut thing earth exact center solar system scale oort cloud comet pluto and univers cosmolog theori place grb univers requir supernova type energi releas timescal millisecond oort cloud model tend silli even standard astrophys grb galact distribut milki galaxi you expect concentr plane galaxi for disk popul galact center for spheric halo popul don thi galact halo light year radiu and start grb andromeda galaxi assum that similar halo for comparison earth light year center galaxi pet theori that fly saucer enter hyperspac aren concentr spacelan and don come zeta reticuli and tau ceti reason ask that assum that collid nuetron star spin black hole wonder mechan exist and place closer grb model refere literatur theorist sort unoffici moratorium model observ evid come david palmer palmer alumni caltech edu palmer tgr gsfc nasa gov
sci.space	armi space armi signal corp intellig photointellig interpret you ada you plai rocket space will pretti dug mud grunt protect foward troop low fly object good luck origin americomm dalla info sourc
sci.space	jemison star trek articl apr princeton edu phoenix princeton edu carlosn carlo niederstrass write transport oper that import transport nameless ensign job for such guest appear expect visibl meaning role christian slater gota cameo and can act pat
sci.space	vandal sky articl apr rhea arc thacker rhea arc write articl research canon enzo research canon enzo liguori write light pollut observ read that even visibl dai leav alon night depress thi light aren dai shouldn daytim light pollut for surreal moment sriniva sriniva bettadpur internet byab herm chpc utexa edu box austin tel bitnet byab utherm
sci.space	planet imag orbit ether twist real life
sci.space	drag free satellit stephen hawk tour jpl articl raee access digex net prb access digex pat write articl apr kelvin jpl nasa gov baalk kelvin jpl nasa gov ron baalk write answer question hawk chahin describ propos drag free satellit confirm that thi point concept drag free satellit coat puzzl term concept drag free flown idea put spacecraft that accur respond motion earth graviti field and ignor drag propos year ago and involv ball float sensor job signal adjust jet ball ball drag free condit and respond graviti anisotropi spacecraft continu adjust posit compens for drag joseph cain cain geomag gly fsu edu cain fsu bitnet scri cain fax
sci.space	russian phobo mission russian spacecraft ill fate phobo mission year ago send back imag martian moon hous ftp site
sci.space	space debri anoth fish check richard rast work for lockhe missil site nasa johnson nick johnson kaman scienc colo spg and friend darren mcknight kaman alexandria good luck landi gener wife and hillari bill
sci.space	soviet space book blaze wayn matson and gang alabama heard unconfirm rumor that aerospac ambassador disappear can confirm rob landi stsci baltimor
sci.space	space station redesign jsc altern articl apr lerc nasa gov dbm lerc nasa gov david mckissock write man tend capabl griffin not adopt sexist languag glad griffin spend time engin ritual purif languag piti stuck turkei sensibl option svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	space station redesign jsc altern articl ralibinnc cbl umd edu mike starburst umd edu michael santangelo write thing that scare part simpli strap ssme and nosecon and launch thi vision terribl wrong launch result complet loss modular space station not peic case stage orbit construct doesn make lot differ sinc weren build spare station hardwar dumb thi launch fail svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	level articl raejd access digex net prb access digex pat write happen hypothesi that shuttl flight softwar major factor loss wit that wind shear event flight control softwar seri violent engin movement that shock and set upa harmon reson lead overstress strut thi sound anoth ali abutaha real challeng accid never slightest shred evid for harmon reson occur windshear induc maneuv contribut open leak path srb joint seal puff smoke liftoff exist explan thi and relat event account for evid adequ svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	planet imag orbit ether twist apr coe montana edu uphrrmk gemini osc montana edu jack coyot write sci astro dmcaloon tuba calpoli edu david mcaloon write perfect parodi need random cap for chuckl love bit relev peopl starv somalia thi read name aloud thought joke don joke name read aloud david macaloon david macalloon david macaloon don geddit dave empei speak for you you week enjoi buffet
sci.space	gener inform request for inform space program thi includ nasa shuttl histori suggest book period even ftp site for novic interest space program todd giaquinto maverick wpi wpi edu
sci.space	gamma rai burster articl radsr att access digex net prb access digex pat write evid that gamma rai burster enorm power wonder quantum black hole that fairli close galact rang pet theori that fly saucer enter hyperspac reason ask that assum that collid nuetron star spin black hole wonder mechan exist and place closer pat let class thi last fall and note wing understand rememb stellar evolut that black hole and neutron star pulsar form high mass star star sun high mass star live fast and burn hard take appoxim year nova supernova thi time don live long perturb galact plane assum sourc grb will plane galaxi catalog burst that reciev satellit solar system pioneer venu pion ginga and bats and distribut test catalog test show that burst isotrop distribut evenli spread radial direct and show sign homogen not clump direct sampl area insid disk galaxi sampl univers not cool you want figur hell caus thing suppos you stil sampl insid disk not necessarili rememb interplanetari network burst detector baselin that waaaai pluto pioneer detector tect sort differ angl satellit satellit analog you plane overhead you measur angl plane origin your arbitrari coordin system your friend mile see plane and measur angl point arbitrari system two angl and you triangul posit your burst and find sourc knowledg thi throw halo and corona model don work astrophys burst short timescal high energi black hole and pulsar exhibit thi type behavior thi case star bound disk galaxi energet sourc you simul model burst confin disk you sampl larg distanc mpc you not anisotropi you direct clump sourc direct galact center characterist that clarif that don mean correct had honor take burst class person model distribut pretti kick distribut and outrag sourc collid pulsar black hole pulsar that slow stuff that fun field complaint and correct belgarath vax mankato msu edu post jeremi
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai mention boost hst thi mission mean that weight tight margin thi mission will boost grappl hst stow cargo bai om burn high altitud unstow hst repair gyro costar instal fix solar arrai return earth guess bother usingth shuttl reboost not grappl fix bolt small liquid fuel thruster modul hst make boost cheaper mass usingth shuttl tug that that spacewalk can carri edo pallet and sit station and even solar arrai tilt motor fix pat
sci.space	russian phobo mission phobo mission return data includ imag phobo had surfac resolut meter book entitl mar kieffer univers arizona press great chapter spacecraft explor planet chapter author moroz space research institut moscow and includ detail never publish west don ftp site imag tom reilli depart geologi arizona state univers
sci.space	can you launch space shuttl for ask question that not base technic aspect space couldn find answer faq make space shuttl launch difficult select exchang student louisiana state uni august and absolut determin space shuttl launch year will america hear bit long mail list can ticket and mail for your patienc and and summar for you save poor peopl pai for link april cruellest month andrew wong mix memori and desir mail wong bradford eliot wasteland
sci.space	hst servic mission schedul for dai articl ckb access digex net prb access digex pat write will boost grappl hst stow cargo bai om burn high altitud unstow hst repair gyro costar instal fix solar arrai return earth reboost will last that fuel reserv eva case chase adrift astronaut that you idea reboost take shuttl guess bother usingth shuttl reboost not grappl fix bolt small liquid fuel thruster modul hst make boost build that thruster modul not shelf item trivial piec hardwar sinc includ attitud control hst not strong compens for thing thruster imbal guidanc provis feed gyro data hst gyro extern devic and separ you don want left attach afterward avoid contamin telescop lid open you worri whether lid open reboost and hst inaccess shuttl lid stai close for durat thi prevent mirror contamin thruster and origin plan us orbit maneuv vehicl reboost omv plan sort small space tug suit precis thi sort job cost lot develop and list applic rel short cancel svr resembl high speed collis henri spencer toronto zoologi svr and suno dick dunn henri zoo toronto edu utzoo henri
sci.space	planet imag orbit ether twist articl apr mksol dseg mccall mksol dseg fred mccall write apr zeu calpoli edu dmcaloon tuba calpoli edu david mcaloon write ether implod earth core graviti not for lack extran capit word swear that mcelwain had chang name and move cal poli find choic newsgroup interest perhap thi gui that sci astro doesn stand for astrolog frighten that post thi origin ostens center higher learn thi countri small that rest world think nut and that problem that case you haven david don thi quit for post sci group that post for real thought late april fool joke bit top even mcelwain abian etc standard ross smith wanganui alien acheron amigan gen and crawl planet face insect call human race lost time and lost space rhp
sci.space	vandal sky space billboard even easier implement write messag moon onc time group space activist belong seattl consid goodyear blimp orbit idea us larg structur that carri arrai light goodyear blimp low earth orbit high inclin eventu almost earth collect disapprov clutter space such thing stop pursu had quit feasibl econom will not post don want encourag idea you want such thing figur for dani eder dani eder meridian invest compani box athen locat deg deg alt
sci.space	drag free satellit stephen hawk tour jpl joe your descript sound graviti probe spacecraft idea pat
sci.space	read sci space articl apr mksol dseg mccall mksol dseg fred mccall write isn real name elvi lemur sometim difficulti tell lemur elvi couldn spell listen song pat
sci.space	sunris sunset time articl new umbc edu rouben math math umbc edu rouben rostamian write length daylight vari time year experi choic latitud and tilt angl compar behavior function locat and below arctic circl you want fun plug basic formula into lotu us spreadsheet auto calc and graph function produc bar graph base latitud tilt and hour dai light avg pat
sci.space	true globe make for quit that earth pear shape globular spheric make globe that accur actual shape landmass configur long lat line etc advanc bill xpresso bill vanc bothel rwing xpresso bill you listen xpresso listen uuxpresso
sci.space	commerci space new commerci space new space technolog investor number thi number twenti two irregular seri commerci space activ commentari includ thought develop sigh usual get thi column written can plead exig current dynam space biz thi column put togeth lunch hour and hous quiet night data can quickli build lot stuff compli lot inform and happen sinc last column work thi readabl length fun content commerci space sale flatten delta win two kei launch contract commerci remot sens ventur get doc ahead invest firm call space biz good invest arian predict dip launch demand ntsb investig pegasu launch abort abort anoth pegasu competitor announc georgia launch site drop plan spain capricornia launcher proceed pacastro sign launch reserv swedish space corp china and taiwan joint satellit ventur report south korea announc nation move into space technolog space technolog index march final note articl commerci space sale flatten depart commerc project commerci space sale will remain flat current data show percent growth publish industri outlook releas januari revenu space busi project contrast previou year commerci space sale had shown doubl digit growth rate thi year project result driven satellit manufactur industri sale project drop satellit worth satellit worth industri outlook project commerci launcher face flat demand come year and predict that revenu will increas percent futur sale will advers affect downward revis depart defens launch plan offset flat launch revenu and satellit deliveri revenu for fix and mobil satellit servic project increas primarili driven increas revenu broadcast and cabl network similarli remot sens product and sale project increas commerci space revenu commerci satellit satellit servic fix mobil satellit ground equip mobil equip commerci launch remot sens data and servic privat micrograv research lab total annual revenu revis data for estim data for commentari thi commerci space industri expect gener not bad report bad new concentr satellit manufactur area satellit worth apiec can substanti influenc annual project forward year thi market sector retain strong sale firm success regain intern market share satellit busi sale satellit ground equip revis thi data expect releas mid year data mobil satellit ground equip sale includ such item gp receiv and portabl satellit termin appear miss januari data set doc publish list space busi indic mid year and revis commerci space revenu releas expect revis revenu easili top mobil satellit ground equip ad back into number and year show market growth thi year data futur market quit promis doc project satellit servic revenu top mobil satellit servic and direct broadcast implement plan and that mobil satellit station sale expect continu growth per year mid number somewhat pessimist for term market growth agre trend for substanti growth commerci space sale year pessim due conserv assumpt market captur and growth leo commun and satellit direct broadcast servic don current player born leo commun satellit market and proven direct broadcast market will financi success that sale growth will explos project note thi year doc data releas show revenu privat fund micrograv research facil shown janurari data primarili for spacehab modul plan for launch april space shuttl hidden number project sale comet orbit launch and recoveri experi modul delta win two kei launch contract mcdonnel dougla corpor build and market delta launch vehicl won two import launch contract motorola inc announc mid februari that had select delta launch satellit satellit iridium leo commun constel and mid april mcdonnel dougla award usaf medium launch vehicl iii contract launch servic contract motorola for iridium constel launch for launch iridium satellit anoth satellit contract launch khrunichev enterpris russian proton vehicl launch satellit plan for delta will launch time provid for launch addit satellit iridium constel such plan orbit spare launch delta detail launch servic contract report negoti and not final usaf mlv contract mdc bid variant delta launcher thi contract initi worth million establish set launch option for launch encompass launch launch will deploi gener usaf global posit system block iir navig satellit program option for meet usaf launch option expect exercis thi year usaf expect request launch delta per year for year thi contract usaf can request launch demand servic mdc for time period launch occur dai request commentari two contract fulfil provid excel busi base for mdc delta launch program turn centuri combin two contract potenti for launch worth mdc and sustain core busi base year contract for intern and commerci payload for nasa medium elv class payload will add thi busi base keep mdc viabl commer launch compani note risk element contract motorola iridium leo commun constel not receiv feder commun commiss licens for oper motorola line financ and financi partner for iridium ventur approv financi back will iridium launch hopefulli uncertainti will settl thi year similarli usaf mlv iii program target congression action slow product gp block iir satellit and delet fund for mlv iii program favor usaf nl spacelift program thi time appear mlv iii contract will execut futur fund for mlv iii and usaf commerci launch contract reconsid part nation space launch strategi review opinion express administr and congress propos cancel elv upgrad program includ mlv program favor propos spacelift program such opinion weight thi year budget deliber dod fund will difficult find shrink defens budget commerci remot sens ventur get doc ahead commerci licens oper remot sens satellit approv earli februari depart commerc offic space commerc licens grant worldview imag corpor oakland california build and oper pair leo imag satellit provid multi spectral imag earth commentari data releas thi ventur worldview and doc announc oper and construct licens thi report request worldview industri specul identifi thi ventur star war spinoff sdi type technolog provid digit earth sens data and heavili integr into digit gi databas for remot sens gi user probabl custom for thi servic includ explor geologist agricultur planner and urban planner noteworthi thi commerci ventur land remot sens polici act act pass last novemb that remot sens data gather privat remot sens craft sold user differ price prior thi act remot sens data satellit had sold user price and privat remot sens ventur had sell govern set landsat data price rumor potenti commerci remot sens ventur work system stage develop larg landsat and spot satellit system will provid major satellit remot sens data market for decad contrast larg govern sponsor remot sens system smaller market ventur such worldview and can exploit market nich and us innov technolog and can find profit margin predict interest ventur appear year invest firm call space biz good invest wall street invest hous morgan stanlei think gener dynam space system divis moneymak despit fail last atla launch recent analyst report morgan stanlei convinc that compani can return atla histor success rate thi will becom highli profit cash gener unit base discuss corpor manag morgan stanlei project that atla problem clear unit earn per year and per year thi base project captur atla launch per year world market commentari failur row launch system hurt gener dynam space system divis sinc restructur profit core busi market pundit specul space busi sold morgan stanlei report space system divis potenti moneymak despit current problem can act togeth sale project will gener loss can captur project share space launch market and manag clean reliabl atla launcher gener healthi profit sale demonstr atla centaur program back track thi divis will continu show substanti loss respons sell rumor opinion thi oper not good candid for takeov and quick profit such takeov current set corpor and division manag replac anoth set firm ssd case divis back track manag team will concentr hard technic problem atla centaur sell atla servic thi anoth firm experi rocket launch oper find such talent hous and convinc custom bui launch servic optim firm substanti liquid rocket experi and experi market space technolog internation candid for thi trw rockwel lockhe and martin and possibl mcdonnel dougla and boe firm cash flow problem mdc had substanti busi contract boe and mdc involv launch firm lockhe substanti debt martin and come purchas price for divis big chunk chang for compani arian predict dip launch demand arianespac oper arian launch system project dip launch demand late earli februari arianespac releas annual market survei detail project space transport market for decad short run arianespac expect retain domin posit and sustain major share launch market intern and commerci launch plan arian hold contract for gener dynam atla vehicl hold contract mcdonnel dougla delta hold and great wall long march vehicl hold launch contract quarter futur launch contract for arian can compet project come commun satellit remain split weather earth observ and scientif satellit futur telecommun demand growth predict come asia pacif region arianespac expect current market consolid individu satellit oper into region nation group will continu group invest heavier satellit larger commun payload carri transpond arianespac predict averag mass telecommun satellit increas todai averag level geo demand for commerci launch servic expect remain strong year second half decad arianespac predict demand will decreas arianespac base thi predict match satellit transpond demand and suppli data compress techniqu doubl tripl transpond capac exist term transpond signific market identifi arriv launch vehicl includ russian launch system arianespac predict that long term investor purchas launch servic for trade launch servic qualiti and price and that russian and launch servic will prove capabl and servic qualiti and market penetr will minim commentari arian releas market survei annual and report prior market survei past issu csn sti compar two survei aren outstand differ number notabl chang consider data compress techniqu reduc demand for physic transpond orbit note that contrast predict demand for space base commun transpond appear remain strong fiber optic line make substanti inroad into establish point point telecommun market grow demand for telecommun servic world wide and for point multipoint broadcast servic prevent decreas space transpond demand fiberopt cabl provid higher capabl servic establish point establish point establish fiberopt link instal cabl point and improv network solut instal larg network distribut fiberopt link can cost million billion dollar for broadcast servic not exist ground network structur satellit offer cost effect solut and servic requir into region cheaper instal small satellit link cost ten thousand dollar and tie into exist global satellit network thi rapid growth satellit servic and demand high replac market for fiberopt grow sinc demand grow point servic becom cost effect instal fiberopt link handl increas traffic sinc telecommun and data transfer market grow rapidli satellit market project remain rosi satellit get longer orbit lifetim current gener satellit get guarante year orbit servic contrast year servic last gener satellit thi cut back launch demand satellit owner reschedul replac satellit launch longer interv and last note arianespac didn flag thi year space transport market will suppli exist launch system term annual commerci launch demand for medium size satellit per year suppli side arian capabl launch dozen medium size satellit year delta capabl per year atla capabl long march japan vehicl russia proton capabl and system such zenit and soyuz anoth medium launch per year that lot capabl for small market can expect competit intensifi for commerci launch ntsb investig pegasu launch abort abort feb pegasu launch orbit scienc corpor spawn investig appar violat rang safeti rule valid abort order nasa rang safeti offic halt mission overridden and pegasu launch violat rang safeti rule last minut pegasu launch countdown two abort command receiv aboard pegasu fail such failur typic scrub launch and nasa rang safeti offic wallop island issu mission abort order minut schedul pegasu launch thi command overridden osc launch team messag lost commun channel and pegasu launch despit valid abort call fortun pegasu function expect and abort command receiv not need thi incid spark investig sinc valid abort order agre launch constraint rule and not obei lead investig nation transport safeti board ntsb support nasa osc and air forc thi investig mark time ntsb lead incid involv space launch ntsb investig will month and primarili line author commun link and safeti procedur us launch commentari thi time that ntsb led investig into space launch leadership request depart commerc offic commerci space transport had licens commerci launch time write thi column initi investig conclud and result start leak into trade press appar commun channel us test abort destruct receiv stop respond nasa test director and rang control mission control room wallop island gave abort order minut launch mission rule thi stop launch osc test conductor order abort revers and nasa commun net relai that order carri pegasu second launch differ explain exactli thi happen propos set that clear line commun and clear definit respons mission control team and understand mission rule not establish launch and commerci launch procedur issu crop and will resolv thi case interest time ntsb call investig commerci launch problem commerci aircraft problem thi problem will turn primarili problem procedur and commun and will clear issuanc guidelin launch commun set and specif line author delin anoth pegasu competitor announc tsniimach enterpris russia announc market small space launch system base convert icbm compon two version launcher market aerokosmo wing vehicl launch osc pegasu and severkosmo launch mobil ground transport aerokosmo project deliv circular orbit circular orbit and severkosmo capabl orbit and propos us launch system leo data relai system call sineva tsniimach enterpris describ militari establish focus aerodynam and thermal protect spacecraft and particip develop buran shuttl system locat npo energia facil kaliningrad moscow commentari releas inform thi ventur suspicion anoth russian enterpris for hard currenc and capit hous knowledg soviet launch system add list numer commerci space startup announc soviet union thi that offer variant soviet icbm can identifi kei custom target substanti financi back georgia launch site drop plan late januari georgia tech research institut releas result preliminari studi feasibl commerci rocket launch site camden counti georgia kingsland missil test launch site atlant coast preliminari studi recommend site not pursu commerci launch site state reopen site not feasibl due project low invest return environment and geograph consider report site ideal for aerospac and recommend potenti commentari thi put nail coffin kingsland commerci launch site site proceed commerci launch site develop plan kingsland found kei custom act anchor tenant and substanti infrastructur had put expect return low justifi cost develop thi point kei discrimin judg feasibl commerci launch site includ identifi kei custom provid core usag suffici recov setup cost market advantag site can exist infrastructur us modifi site can financ found low cost support invest commerci launch site ventur includ woomera poker flat cape york white sand alabama shore platform hawaii and vandenberg judg criteria opinion ventur fly hope and specul and not sound financi ground spain capricornia launcher proceed last offici act presid bush author space technolog transfer for joint space ventur and firm propos us technolog spain build small booster that regulatori impedi remov stage capricornia launch vehicl will start develop thi year plan for launch time period capricornia describ small stage solid booster design put into leo launch site examin for system includ iberian peninsula and canari island origin inta spain project report develop fund and will us technolog argentina condor launch vehicl commentari firm identifi market opportun provid small launcher for european market small payload european firm organ us arian piggyback launch italian scout launcher arian piggyback opportun limit and scout program phase accompani disarrai italian govern and space industri follow system thi left appar nich for european small launch system surprisingli esa not support develop such system current space fund structur studi perform british aerospac aerospatial deutsch aerospac and italian organ except swedish pacastro system report below not find european develop work even rumor fund for hardwar interest link capricornia argentinian condor launcher interest rumor surfac argentina past year space launcher irbm program fund militari junta rule countri and earli feb argentinian air forc formal transfer control condor missil program civilian argentinian nation space agenc comison nacion atividad espacial cnae condor program describ origin expand smaller condor rocket program collabor egypt and support german firm condor reportedli fund indirectli iraq mid fairli larg solid rocket motor built and test argentinan develop suitabl guidanc packag lag that propuls system note cnae plan launch scientif satellit late sac satellit will studi earth upper atmospher and includ cooper experi itali and launch vehicl select osc pegasu and russian burlak air launch rocket report strong contend for thi contract pacastro sign launch reserv swedish space corp pacastro small launch firm herndon virginia announc late februari had receiv launch reserv contract swedish space corp launch satellit pacastro launch vehicl thi will perform part polar satellit servic pss joint norwegian space center swedish space corp program upgrad andoya rocket rang norwai and offer small satellit launch into polar region pacastro pss perform upgrad andoya launch facil includ integr facil and fulli enclos vertic assembl build for small launch vehicl pacastro pacastro chosen main altern rocket supplier for small satellit launch servic offer pss andoya date launch swedish satellit not commentari pacastro line custom and fund for launch vehicl for time small two stage rocket fuel and liquid oxygen pacastro literatur engin design for seri rocket built shelf compon base lunar modul descent engin built trw and capabl put satellit into circular polar orbit pacastro arrang construct financ for vehicl launch plan for and orbit launch plan for record show pacastro hire trw provid market support and system design primari engin aeroastro small satellit builder close associ pacastro headquart build swedish space corpor suppli engin launch oper vehicl subsystem and market support sumitomo corp tokyo round investor and sit board director pacastro round financi packag sourc place thi high search for year for addit need design build and launch set vehicl launch reserv ssc can possibl us bring investor board estim will singl sale put ventur into real hardwar china and taiwan joint satellit ventur report earli march report joint satellit commun ventur taiwanes and mainland chines work report taipei press china develop corp cdc headquart taiwam and link rule nationalist parti plan set joint ventur hong kong china great wall industri corp object launch region commun satellit cdc cover satellit system cost exchang for right satellit commun channel commentari thi announc close heel releas taiwanes plan for space develop releas mid januari plan nation space program offic taiwan will launch satellit start rocsat scientif spacecraft plan for launch two addit satellit plan commun satellit trw help taiwan plan thi program budget haven establish relationship thi ventur and nspot connect taiwan financ pursu ventur current taiwanes telecommun market not support two separ sastellit ventur report name for tiawanes chines system asiasat don think thi relationship exist hong kong base asiasat program involv chines hong kong and asian investor organiz model obviou advantag pursu such jo ventur provid excel hand experi taiwan for low cost can us satellit ventur intern polit issu taiwanes and chines ventur put joint ventur hong kong intermediari corpor proce case east asian satellit market light substanti growth project space servic and revenu thi anoth indic add list south korea announc nation move into space technolog south korea trade industri and resourc ministri recent announc plan invest research and develop and anoth into manufactur and research facil for advanc aerospac technolog space technolog specif target part thi program begin manufactur and launch advanc multi purpos satellit object thi invest rais south korea aerospac technolog level world top countri commentari south korea quietli work develop nation aerospac industri specif includ space activ note thi flag that potenti player come into commerci space market part nation effort nation telecommun satellit for korea telecom will launch april and oct delta design koreasat and platform will provid televis and telephon servic korean peninsula southwestern japan and portion china border north korea south korea launch small satellit piggyback arian aug call uribyol star and cost uribyol plan for piggyback launch octob thi year arian and will made korea uribyol project for launch will environ monitor micro satellit thi satellit precursor seri small earth observ satellit keo korean earth observ system project submit for approv south korean govern us two spacecraft equip optic and microwav sensor south korean press report claim parallel militari effort establish capabl for build and launch small militari satellit supposedli govern panel had establish overse such effort fund and anticip expect pullout intellig gather system korean peninsula conjunct report effort south korean pursu product work set exist aerospac technolog contract for exampl mcdonnel dougla offset product delta part south korean firm part koreasat launch contract for product consum space item product south korea export satellit receiv televis setup japan and samsung announc team for product osc orbcomm user termin thi aggress push into space technolog that east asia fastest grow sector for commerci space servic primarili for telecommun south korean push into space technolog chang composit commerci space market decad space technolog index march announc last csn sti each issu will give result stock index and portfolio space stock and invest tabl below summar result end march space technolog index quit bit market repres index sinc valu includ index firm thi repres gener increas market space relat firm increas quarter promis sign futur month revers thi trend commerci space technolog index quit pure plai portfolio consist stock firm pure plai space technolog surpass result ey index result march begin begin jan mar space tech index comm space tech index space tech pure plai final note thi column full and bunch commerci space develop report start thi column lot interest happen put into issu ahead articl work happen iridium and leo commun satellit market new intern launcher appear and disappear market intern commerci space ventur and interest develop and hope you folk find thi stuff and interest and comment wale larrison space technolog investor felicita multo habet amico box seal beach
sci.space	space advertis two develop brought type activ back forefront februari russian deploi reflector progress vehicl had depart mir space station thi banner reflector blank npo energia activ report that futur banner reflector will advertis us space base video logo print banner commerci film mir second develop that space market inc compani respons for merchandis space conestoga booster and comet spacecraft push environment billboard laid smi chief engin ron humbl univers colorado space laboratori and preston carter lawrenc livermor nation laboratori environment billboard larg inflat outer support structur meter advertis carri mylar reflect area deploi inflat frame sell concept spacecraft respons for maintain billboard orbit will carri ozon read sensor continu monitor condit earth delic protect ozon layer mike lawson head smi inflat billboard reach minimum exposur dai will releas enter earth atmospher imi biodegrad materi burn will releas ozon build compon that will liter replenish ozon layer remain spacecraft will monitor atmospher for anoth year enter and burn and add ozon suppli thi not cheap advertis cost million dollar exact cost not smi estim that market exposur that peopl watch superbowl second advertis unit cost sinc smi locat atlanta georgia promot time for open summer olymp atlanta back brian question and detail new blip thi project thi wild idea stage real fund for can estim for develop cost and flight unit for launch real claim tailor orbit overfli specif locat specif time for optimum advertis impact can piggi back plan launch and will bui dedic launch that cost rais and will legal challeng thi note potenti legal challeng smi us launch vehicl advertis don legal challeng win and amateur astronom and don idea thi addit light pollut prohibit legal challeng and court fight remov posit aspect advertis can imagin wai make advertis lout for thi chang posit market exposur neg market exposur and negat space advertis advantag you spend idiot and light pollut not bad low orbit and reli reflect light visibl for short time local dusk and dawn for maximum market exposur you want visibl dusk minim impact astronomi sinc that time wors due dai night thermal turbul problem perhap wai mitig thi for real fund that can identifi express interest made conestoga advertis opportun that includ curiou folk and for commit haven heard fund for thi shop ventur for monei order flesh concept confid firm pai custom thi time and cross post thi sci astro guest don post privileg that area don wale larrison space technolog investor maximu
sci.space	space advertis brian yamauchi ask orbit billboard and detail new blip thi project thi wild idea stage real fund had collect data for edit commerci space new space technolog investor summar space advertis advertis space vehicl not common practic put cooper organ logo space launch vehicl for exampl latest gp launcher had promin logo side mcdonnel dougla delta launcher rockwel intern built gp satellit usaf paid for satellit and launch and gp navstar program offic thi not consid paid advertis public relat sinc restrict such that organ involv launch put logo side and monei exchang for thi put high logo side launch vehicl face camera advertis public relat opinion and note that test vehicl promin mcdonnel dougla and sdio logo side studi revenu potenti for us space vehicl for advertis place larg advertis sign orbit shuttl for exampl studi earli and mid look put logo extern tank side payload bai ventur public relat that logo displai not restrict firm particip that flight and involv payment sum for fly logo promin organ for exampl paint pepsi can put disneyworld logo insid payload bai camera scan past advert launch vehicl paid advertis soviet launcher involv foreign organ allow pai put logo proton launch italian shoe compani advertis rememb similarli soviet cosmonaut mir made paid advertis for last olymp game and gleefulli shown banner and item particip firm and organ mar candi bar for exampl plug orbit sponsor launch british visit cosmonaut mir firm start put paid advertis launch vehicl upcom conestoga launch june put comet recover payload capsul into orbit will paid advertis side for arnold schwarzenegg upcom movi last action hero usual logo particip organ columbia pictur paid put ad main fuselag mission conestoga rocket booster rocket and comet payload will orbit earth for month concept for thi advertis displai publish space new magazin coupl month ago side note robert lorsch advertis execut talk su nasa charg nasa appropri idea creat space agenc form corpor advertis sponsorship nasa spacecraft fund for space program lorsch contend that sell advertis space upcom comet nasa violat agreement that not us idea exclus repres for nasa and receiv compens thi disput sinc launch commerci launch and nasa receiv advertis revenu fund for comet program come nasa orbit billboard orbit billboard stapl scienc fiction for time arthur clark wrote exampl and robert heinlein describ anoth man sold moon potenti project develop implement real prior eiffel project larg inflat sculptur orbit celebr french republ centenni cont maximu
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sci.space	vandal sky articl new cso uiuc edu gfk uxa cso uiuc edu georg krumin write typic that right minor extinguish major matter ridicul georg call democraci major rule ytou don suggest you modifi constitut includ constitut dark ski theori govern that major rule natur fundament civil right you annoi legisl creat dark sky zone light emiss protect zone kind nation radio quiet zone you that teh radio telescop observatori west virginia mile emcon zone theoret can prevent you run light motor air condition and vacuum practic us control larg radio user pat
sci.space	space advertis wale larrison ofa fidonet org write environment billboard larg inflat outer support structur meter advertis carri mylar reflect area deploi inflat frame sell concept spacecraft respons for maintain billboard orbit will carri ozon read sensor continu monitor condit earth delic protect ozon layer mike lawson head smi inflat billboard reach minimum exposur dai will releas enter earth atmospher imi biodegrad materi burn will releas ozon build compon that will liter replenish ozon layer can assum that thi gui studi advertis and not chemistri grant great advertis gimic doesn sound practic josh hopkin jbh uxa cso uiuc edu find make attribut hannib
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sci.space	larsonian astronomi and physic larsonian astronomi and physic orthodox physicist astronom and astrophysicist claim for unifi field theori forc univers can explain singl set law equat systemat ignor suppress excel for year late physicist dewei larson comprehens gener unifi theori physic univers call reciproc system built two fundament postul physic and mathemat natur space and time physic univers compos compon motion exist dimens discret unit and two reciproc form space and time physic univers conform relat ordinari commut mathemat magnitud absolut and geometri euclidean two postul larson develop complet theoret univers combin translat vibrat rotat and vibrat rotat motion concept ward and ward scalar motion and speed relat speed light larson call unit veloc and natur datum each step develop larson match object theoret univers object real physic univers photon sub atom particl incomplet atom charg atom molecul globular star cluster galaxi binari star system solar system white 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theori physic univers anti matter not simpl case opposit charg type particl rate vibrat and rotat photon made relat vibrat and rotat equival speed light larson call unit veloc and natur datum larson theori positron particl matter not anti matter positron and electron meet rotat vibrat charg and rotat respect photon made neutral each larson theori anti matter half physic univers dimens time and dimens space and exist reciproc relationship materi half larsonian rel perihelion point orbit planet mercuri observ and precis measur advanc rate second arc per centuri second thi advanc attribut calcul gravit perturb planet venu earth jupit etc remain second arc us prove einstein gener theori rel late physicist dewei larson achiev result closer second gener rel can special rel book appli lorentz transform high orbit speed mercuri larson total reject gener rel anoth mathemat fantasi reject special rel includ part mass increas speed light and us lorentz transform doppler shift quasar red shift greater move faster speed light that motion time larson comprehens gener unifi theori physic univers dimens time two dimens can not measur materi half physic univers dimens that can measur clock time low rel speed valu two dimens neglig high speed becom signific and lorentz transform us fudg factor larson us term coordin time write thi regard mass increas proven atom acceler that acceler drop speed light formula for acceler acceler forc mass orthodox physicist ignor factor forc larson theori mass stai constant and forc drop forc motion combin motion relat motion includ inward and outward scalar motion expans univers for exampl outward scalar motion inher univers and not result call big bang anoth mathemat fantasi univers motion recommend book univers motion dewei larson north pacif publish box portland oregon page index hardcov contain astrophys portion gener unifi theori physic univers develop that author unrecogn geniu thirti year ago contain final solut astrophys mysteri includ 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into materi half anywher space seemingli random thi sourc locat burst not correspond object and come direct uniformli close space sourc locat for gamma rai burst kill life earth predict stop perhap mass extinct past blame impact comet and asteroid caus nearbi gamma rai burst larsonian binari star format half star galaxi vicin sun binari doubl orthodox astronom and astrophysicist satisfactori theori form binari star system like consequ comprehens gener unifi theori physic univers develop late physicist dewei larson will summar larson explan detail chapter book univers motion and book larson star not gener energi fusion small fraction come slow gravit collaps rest result complet annihil heavi element heavier iron each element destruct temperatur limit heavier element lower thi limit star intern temperatur increas grow mass accret and absorpt decai product cosmic rai gradual reach destruct temperatur limit lighter and lighter element intern temperatur star reach destruct temperatur limit 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will mini white dwarf star revolv red giant star dimension time affect heat etc will becom planet chapter univers motion larson us thi inform and principl comprehens gener unifi theori physic univers deriv version bode law black hole fantasi heard that physicist stephen hawk recent complet theoret mathemat analysi two black hole merg togeth into singl black hole and conclud that black hole mass sum two origin black hole such result recogn red flag caus widespread doubt idea black hole etc read physicist dewei larson book comprehens gener unifi theori physic univers book univers motion clear that black hole noth mathemat fantasi strang object cygnu unusu massiv white dwarf star not black hole that orthodox astronom and physicist badli want prove theori not understand public physicist stephen hawk physicist and astronom act hawk sever physic problem make wiser not attent had physicist dewei larson aliv widespread public and attent larson theori book and organ intern societi unifi scienc electro magnet propuls heard that concept year ago connect ufo and unorthodox inventor never find work construct found clue work page book basic properti matter late physicist dewei larson describ part larson comprehens gener unifi theori physic univers quot paragraph preced chapter develop theori univers motion arriv total concept natur electr resist electron find deriv environ brought volum larson book noth motion that physic process oper produc electron substanti quantiti and that motion that constitut electron case absorb atom structur opportun for util thi type motion such structur limit follow that larg excess free electron materi sector materi half univers uncharg thi uncharg state electron cannot move respect extens space inher rotat unit space and relat space space not motion open space each uncharg electron remain perman locat respect natur refer system manner photon context stationari spatial refer system uncharg electron photon carri outward speed light progress natur refer system materi aggreg expos flux electron similar continu bombard photon radiat meanwhil process discuss electron return environ electron popul materi aggreg such earth stabil equilibrium level note that larson theori uncharg electron massless and basic photon light frequenc unit frequenc spin axi rate below unit rate unit veloc speed light and vibrat and rotat equival speed light larson theori and below label mix larson that outer space fill mass charg electron fly speed light thi true electro magnet propuls field spacecraft interact electron particl space perhap give charg and mass and shoot rear achiev propuls larson theori electr charg dimension rotat vibrat frequenc unit frequenc superimpos rotat particl paragraph quot give clue confus meteorologist and lightn gener cloud suppress larsonian physic comprehens gener unifi theori physic univers develop late physicist dewei larson for year publish book structur physic univers total scientif for hawk wheeler sagan and sacr priest 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sci.space	life mar articl apr aio jsc nasa gov kjenk gothamc jsc nasa gov write wish think current presid thi last fall life mar not will daniel goldin nasa administr august ken jenk nasa jsc space shuttl program offic kjenk gothamc jsc nasa gov let hear for dan goldin can convinc rest feder govern that space program worth invest hope that will live dai walk mar address technic hurdl suffici interest start sci space group devot technic analysi long durat human spaceflight you regular that interest start thi analysi ken khayash hsc usc edu usc school medicin class
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sci.space	not give billion year origin keithlei appl dai keithlei appl apr keithlei appl wrote keithlei appl craig keithlei kralizec back contest goal recent articl low cost rel man return moon gener dynam scheme involv titan shuttl lift centaur upper stage lev and crew capsul mission consist deliv two unman payload lunar surfac man mission total cost billion joint esa nasa project billion for share moon for year hmmm not practic cheaper deliv tonn lunar surfac decad precis guess year suppli consum and equip weigh not modifi plan into zurbrin compact moon direct scheme earli flight carri plant and make your ralph gold origin vulcan world sydnei australia
soc.religion.christian	sex educ articl mar atho rutger edu swansond nextnet cc csu edu denni swanson write articl mar atho rutger edu heath athena uga edu terranc heath write program spend half time talk absitin find that peopl object sex educ object teach abstinencn and that imo irrespons talk comdom us impress that sex instructor and polici maker object make pass refer abstin wish spend time realist choic sex portion high school health impress that posit not pregnant not sex method contracept discuss framework chart show expect failur rate theoret assum mistak and actual failur rate base research top chart thi method expect actual failur rate failur rate abstin and nfp natur famili plan bottom teacher even had student that can us for birth control cathol you not marri and you practic cathol top list your slot not bottom even you not religi top list safest thi public school and koop fail abstin us condom statement prevent aid jen includ stdisclaim jenk microsoft msdo test
soc.religion.christian	pantheism environment thi group and thi cover current emphasi environ turn unintention into pantheism debat thi quit bit and legitim concern for planet great thing can easili pervert into danger evid quot wall street journal thing april editori page suspect that parti environment disput think earth sanctifi clear that environmentalist energi deriv call religi left secular even pagan fanatic that worship such god natur and gender rever accord real religion emphasi mine thought reaction harangu
soc.religion.christian	technolog articl apr atho rutger edu cathy write fairli thi group wonder peopl opinion ethic net and technolog gener classic refer thi area jacqu ellul for liber evangel perspect and guiness for straight evangel view you want christian sourc alvin toffler perenni optimist view blatent christian explor technolog for exampl chain letter claim written christian missionari present mislead imag christian religion thi technolog care separ issu relat speed and dispers technolog letter and quickli and messag pass technolog that total wrong can make us comput technolog lectur thi area challeng christan atheist class impact technolog life qualiti life and right that import depend you work your faith will determin your respons us technolog for exampl friend mine ivf due life threaten situat wife will babi god will thi case technolog and friend decid case you decid technolog god reveal word regard david david morgan univers technolog sydnei morgan soc ut edu box broadwai nsw broadwai sydnei fax paid good monei opinion you for free
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soc.religion.christian	daili vers humbl thi child greatest kingdom heaven matthew
soc.religion.christian	elder brother articl apr atho rutger edu rexlex fnal gov write articl apr atho rutger edu shrum hpfcso matt main highwai and you find invit wed feast hmmmmmm sound your theologi and christ odd thi parabl jesu tell parabl wed feast kingdom heaven king made marriag for son wed cloth customari and chose attend thi man refus wear cloth wed cloth equaliv cloth righteous jesu di for sin cloth provid that man decis put cloth
soc.religion.christian	god love you come across excel tract bit lengthi for post thought share you feel free pass you feel benefit god richli bless read kind question that can read see sign tract book and bumper sticker that god love you isn that true true that god offer love world read quot vers bibl for god love world that gave begotten son that whosoev believeth not perish everlast life john god love qualifi bibl wick abomin lord loveth that followeth righteous proverb for lord knoweth righteou ungodli perish psalm not wick decent moral person sure good life outweigh bad can vers appli god standard righteous even moral person look god desper sinner hell bibl teach that good heaven contrari sinner and guilti god written righteou not that understandeth that seeketh god roman heart deceit thing and desper wick can jeremiah such wick person god sight will god bibl teach that end world wick will come etern punish place call hell for fire kindl mine anger and burn lowest hell and consum earth increas and set fire foundat mountain will heap mischief will spend mine arrow burnt hunger and devour burn heat and bitter destruct will send teeth beast poison serpent dust deuteronomi come hell not real sure thing not that bad hell real and thing that bad for individ ual not lord jesu christ savior bibl make refer hell indic that etern and consist perpetu suffer and whosoev not found written book life cast into lake fire revel end world angel come and sever wick and cast into furnac fire wail and gnash teeth matthew lord jesu reveal heaven mighti angel flame fire take vengeanc that not god and that obei not gospel lord jesu christ punish everlast destruct presenc lord and glori power thessalonian that terribl god creat hell hell terribl and exist god creat man account god for action god perfect justic demand payment for sin for wage sin death roman for judgment seat christ that receiv thing bodi that hath whether good bad corinthian you that idl word that men speak give account thereof dai judgment matthew that mean that end world will brought life judg and hell that can find substitut bear punish etern damnat for sin that god earth jesu christ bear wrath god for sheep astrai turn and lord hath laid iniqu isaiah wound for transgress bruis for iniqu chastis peac and stripe heal isaiah for deliv you that receiv that christ di for sin scriptur and that buri and that rose dai scriptur corinthian for hath made sin for knew sin that made righteous god corinthian you that trust christ substitut punish for sin will not worri hell anymor thi believ christ savior stood judgment throne god christ substitut paid for sin that believeth son hath everlast life and that believeth not son not life wrath god abideth john mean agre that bibl christ savior save hell believ christ mean lot agre mind truth bibl mean that hang live mean that entrust part live truth bibl mean that turn sin and serv christ lord man can serv two master for will hate and love will hold and despis cannot serv god and mammon matthew repent and convert that your sin blot time refresh come presenc lord act you that escap hell jesu religion will follow hell cannot escap fact that god hold account for sin god demand that pai for sin religion cannot provid substitut bear sin follow christ bear guilt and save salvat for name heaven men save act jesu truth and life man cometh father john confess sin faith and forgiv sin and cleans unright john desper not want hell can you rememb that god can you you throw altogeth merci god you your hopeless condit sinner cry god save you and publican stand afar not lift ey heaven smote breast god merci sinner luke sir save and lord jesu christ and thou shalt save act can christ wonderfulli god not save lord jesu faith you can prai god that will give you faith jesu christ your savior for grace save faith and that not gift god ephesian god work bibl give that faith you mean busi god your salvat you us opportun hear and studi bibl word god thi brochur vers bibl indent paragraph give heed your heart faith cometh hear and hear word god roman thi mean that surrend god god come total humil acknowledg sin and helpless trust total sacrific god broken spirit broken and contrit heart god thou wilt not despis psalm sinner love sin begin prai god for intens hatr sin and sincer desir salvat will begin turn sin god strengthen that sin send hell you god rais son jesu bless you turn you iniqu act doesn bibl teach that attend church regularli and baptiz will save thing will not save work kind can secur salvat salvat god sovereign gift grace merci and good plea ur salvat not work man boast ephesian will happen end world trust jesu savior will transform into gloriou etern bodi and will christ forev for lord descend heaven shout voic archangel and trump god and dead christ rise aliv and remain caught togeth cloud meet lord air and lord thessalonian will happen earth that time god will destroi entir univers fire and creat heaven and earth christ will reign believ forev dai lord will come thief night heaven pass great nois and element melt fervent heat earth and work that burn nevertheless promis for heaven and earth dwelleth righteous peter bibl give idea end earth will come end will come christ save plan save and thi gospel kingdom preach world for wit nation and end come matthew can close end world god inform bibl time histori world and tell that dai lord will come thief night for unsav will not come thief for believ evid bibl that end world and return christ close time clue bibl point thi for peac and safeti sudden destruct cometh travail woman child and not escap thessalonian sure lord god will noth revealeth secret servant prophet amo that mean judgment dai almost god warn ancient nineveh that destroi that great citi and gave forti dai warn and jonah began enter into citi dai journei and cri and forti dai and nineveh overthrown jonah peopl nineveh king humbl god repent sin and cri god for merci man and beast cover sackcloth and cry mightili god yea turn evil and violenc that hand can god will turn and repent and turn fierc anger that perish not jonah god hear prayer god save great peopl nineveh can cry god for merci that will not come into judg ment time becom save even that time becom short escap neglect great salvat began spoken lord and confirm that heard hebrew god salvat and glori rock strength and refug god trust time peopl pour your heart god refug for psalm book entitl written harold camp present biblic inform that end time for inform obtain copi receiv free program guid and list radio station you can hear gospel program write famili radio oakland california unit state amer ica call forego copi god love you tract print and free charg famili radio number minor made layout facilit comput print and distribut chang text paragraph describ biblic passag text origin tract ital letter indent paragraph read camp book compar bibl actual find credibl research respect futur hold that come across and agre that data ignor guarante second life and matter christ will return that natur tendenc postpon care etern destini feel that death immin even senseless likelihood law averag respect life expect longer appli you obtain copi thi book that you can check fact for you find inform help titl author harold camp publish vantag press distributor baker and taylor isbn chosen share thi tract you heartedli agre declar and feel that perhap thi inform made paraphras act not shun declar counsel god will discuss etern truth bibl interest issu real import sinc will spend compar speak time thi side grave and feel free touch time mail davem bnr offic home dave mielk grenon avenu ottawa ontario canada
soc.religion.christian	dead sea scroll dhancock teosint agron missouri edu deni hancock write nice articl dss thought answer david cruz urib origin queri quit book read recent that help not prepar for week seri taught sundai school greatli increas knowledg qumran scroll recent book heartili recommend joseph fitzmyer respons question dead sea scroll paulist fitzmyer preemin modern scholar earli worker dss book written straightforward that serv sourc for great wealth present basic moment inform dss thi book companion volum raymond brown respons question dead sea scroll nichael pop quiz wrong cover thi book
soc.religion.christian	qualiti cathol liturgi opinion netter subject that bother wife and liturgi cathol liturgi last year that and hoc event mass drive crazi grace fill aspect liturg tradit that happen togeth led priest make kind dialogu present god mass participatori prayer proport particip fallen and proport sit and watch listen gener told happen grow exampl last sundai palm sundai local church palm sundai congreg particip read passion take role mob theologi thi profound crucifi mean and back todai chill last week invit sit gospel passion and listen orwellian invit sadden and role thi typic shift particip peopl and musician reader and thing introduc liturgi and sinc happen thing explain and pretti lot mass sit listen space case mass mind lai blame liturgi committe made lai expert that not that liturgi committe bia noth that fact bureaucrat life even simpler liturgi fact make easier for peopl awar lord presenc wonder oddbal qualiti mass don mean that faceti mass thursdai fridai and remind power simpl liturgi make awar god presenc obligatori sundai mass offer notic declin congreg particip cathol mass john murrai
soc.religion.christian	prophet warn york citi david wilkerson propheci not real credibl rememb book wrote call vision that made predict that peopl bought gold hurt financi time gold half that thi predict stuck mind lot peopl work bui gold problem tend rememb predict that come true and forget that didn jean dixon predict perhap book mention that can pretti not come true fred gilham gilham csl sri peac war not hell war hell make sens walker perci second come
soc.religion.christian	prayer jesu name munn cae wisc edu scott munn write dormitori bibl discuss christian roommat and christian gui floor close accept christ start discipl treat babi believ and into indepth subject parabl etc discuss prayer eventu prai jesu name excel question that don real answer question prai jesu name peopl jesu prai god and listen spite sin can thi discuss and interpret bibl feel that can prai rememb thi jesu peopl talk god and talk back audibl and dream etc todai bibl god will and son you di for savior and thing god will prai son bibl that not jesu not god not vers grant etern life present ourselv jesu will present god leonard thi space intention left blank
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soc.religion.christian	deific aaron bryce cardena write basic prophet write make testament apostl write make testament write record bibl foundat church hayesstw risc unisa steve hay write that peculiar interpret text apostl and prophet peopl write and testament prophet built church rememb doctrin wit perhap prophet testifi come apostl testifi prophesi mean secondli apostl answer especi wit suppos person wit that mean true apostl christ let church quit claim
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soc.religion.christian	revel articl apr atho rutger edu topcat tom tredysvr tredydev unisi tom albrecht write suggest that propheci somewhat cyclic can you elabor not exactli you mean suggest relat isaiah propheci birth christ virgin don cycl that propheci cyclic not word that aspect case virgin birth propheci appli and and prophet christ armi that threaten king ceas threat short time propheci christ propheci that refer christ had applic time made egypt call son refer israel and prophet christ heathen rage david and christ anoth exampl scriptur quot juda and bishoprick anoth anoth exampl that isaiah discipl appli christ hebrew children thou hast preterist view account for thi phenomenon link link hudson
soc.religion.christian	sin articl apr atho rutger edu jadalei cwi unomaha edu jill ann dalei write exactli definit sin and exampl person commit sin that not bring closer god sin you thi strict ambigu thi impli that stai sin christian never satisfi not impli that fun sin not impli that sleep sin impli that sin dai perhap simpler definit that counter two great command love god love your neighbor sin that not love sin action can sin sometim and not sin sometim yell kid disciplin time love teach proper behavior yell kid anger selfish post excel articl interest share opinion and get feedback and learn post articl want realiz wise chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	opinion ask reject william mayn mayn pipe fsu edu wrote articl apr atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org jayn kulikauska write peopl reject god don want wth heaven spend live choos for god not forc that shock impress that jayn kulikaska write thi offens and ludicr thi not that offens intent clear and for christian jayn stand pretti good compani lewi wrote book promot idea contain sentenc quot call final divorc excel book subject heaven and hell highli recommend allegori soul invit beseech enter heaven reject offer god heaven mean give fals pride joe kellett jkellett netcom
soc.religion.christian	prophet warn york citi articl apr atho rutger edu evensont spot colorado edu evenson thoma randal write bring ask open question bibl close book scriptur for god told thi and jesu told that wouldn that impli that god pour revel that peopl will feel that and will not concept close canon cast shadow contemporari prophet hand open canon sometim lot peopl run god told thi and god told that dai peopl heard god and heard gland mario murrillo mention thi sermon onc told lord gave song that worst song had heard gave you that song murillo didn want anymor god speak peopl todai and idea contrari idea close cannon ireneau wrote gift spirit church dai and centuri and put testament cannon almost ident todai believ close cannon prophet prophesi propheci not record scriptur for exampl prophet king name start propheci that king lose battl that propheci gave record scriptur and that had propheci king complain heard propheci never prophesi good paragraph lifetim propheci record scriptur numer exampl barnaba prophet act even apostl write not record scriptur two agabu propheci mention scriptur prophet gave propheci genuin and god that not make scriptur interest note that call propheci noth inspir translat scriptur call that propheci mislead wouldn that knowledg don translat scriptur familiar propheci that give applic for scriptur similar exampl bibl time peter interpret propheci seemingli prophet for exampl and bishoprick anoth juda offic clearer exampl can found matthew jesu prophesi will happen return and quot passag joel sun darken and moon turn blood scriptur propheci can us propheci sometim thi sort thing can cross into word knowledg gift spirit overlap word knowledg and wisdom can overlap word knowledg and propheci can overlap interpret toung similar propheci heal consid miracl sometim distinct gift bit hazi imho doesn matter that label phenomenon long recogn work spirit and us lead link hudson
soc.religion.christian	christian and aid articl apr atho rutger edu marka travi csd harri mark ashlei write articl apr atho rutger edu kevin pictel pictel kevin davi write christian abstin moment will overcom desir compromis and ration poor choic sin last week guilti anger jealousi and mess stuff forgiven and not condemn suffer aid even suggest that aid deserv ludicr rule made point man stupid eventu man learn get lesson experi import realiz that action consequ and that rule made for good suggest that diseas punish for type sin take thing kind mouth diseas for ly mouth left develop blind time lust dare walk into wall aid problem peopl didn involv deviant sexual behaviour peopl receiv taint blood not blame show that mankind affect action sin can terribl consequ real care that consequ punish for sin jew jesu time believ that sick result sin jesu heal blind man and that man blind show glori god not sin aid std punish for sexual sin diseas cancer multipl sclerosi debilit and terribl aid not link specif behavior lifestyl addit imho forgiv not end thing matter aton aid don aton extrem import you miss mark you can suggest that aid aton for sin aton for sin jesu christ period thi central messag gospel perfect sacrific requir for sin and made lamb god sacrific aton for sin past present and futur god not requir pennanc for sin requir come aton gracious that for suggest that aid consequ aton for sin liter spit sacrific that jesu made case you couldn extrem angri and upset thing thi ration fear and phobia reach peopl aid and social unaccept diseas whether diseas action not irrelev jesu christ and thi good analog peopl aid modern dai leper jesu heal leper can heal peopl aid not thi earth ultim sens door neighbor aid recent come deeper and commit relationship god theologi isn want god grace cover amaz thing that gain weight had diseas for year and health excel apart occassion skin rash and such attribut improv health god intervent life suggest that diseas kind punish that god glorifi diseas paul overstreet countri singer good song titl that appli for grace god that experi and accept god grace mark ashlei disclaim opinion express marka gcx ssd csd harri not uunet gcx marka reflect opinion polici lost lo angelino harri corpor paul conditt internet conditt titan tsd arlut utexa edu appli research phone fax laboratori fedex burnet road austin texa univers texa postal box austin texa austin texa wonder place texa live ttttttttttttttt ttt ttt ttt ttt ttttttttttttt texa tech ladi raider ttt swc champion ttt ncaa nation champion ttt ttttttt
soc.religion.christian	essen testament william christi ask essen andrew kill repond collect gospel name essen gospel peac deriv gnostic not essen and ostens translat syriac text fourth and centuri vagu recal can find copi clh had recent critic thi listserv for academ biblic scholar book modern fake
soc.religion.christian	seldom post thi group christendom listen don dialog topic thing start daughter christian school send home weekli updat school relat topic thi week interest articl written leader nation christian school organ trip recent made jerusalem introduc rabbi work project rebuild templ jerusalem articl includ photo furnish that made prepar for furnish rebuilt templ specif bibl even strike fact that plan for templ complet and group await permiss isra govern begin build startl fact recent archeolog discoveri that origin site templ unoccupi and for build previous thought that origin site underneath mosqu make rebuild imposs spark holi war appear that noth stand rebuild and resum sacrific scriptur will happen last dai isra govern will give permiss start hand god hold project readi happen brother and sister time hand redempt draw post rang per dai weekend peopl aren that propag problem clh
soc.religion.christian	prayer jesu name hmm make you whether prayer jesu name mean jesu name whether simpli thing attitud that belong jesu frank
soc.religion.christian	lazaru smell discuss jesu spoke aloud lazaru come surpris that notic vers immedi preceed father you for listen knew that you listen thi for sake peopl that stand that that you made your messeng goodspe translat guess that lazaru come for sake crowd tim rolf rolf dsuvax dsu edu rolf junior dsu edu rolfet columbia dsu edu
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu emeri fluke john emeri write excel post delet for space tjl suffer and persecut that meant believ quit probabl that suppos conspiraci come forward and confess that thing big hoax not reason that discipl not make resurrect sincer believ that jesu had risen dead light suffer that believ jubile confer thi year pittsburgh and speaker spoke thi talk thing you mention your post into detail paraphras can suppos you part christian consipraci peopl that christ had risen never mind stone burn aliv crucifixion talk scourg whip that us broken potteri metal bone and that find attach you stood face wall noth protect you whip hit you time tear flesh you instant incred intens pain you thi for lie second hit drop you your knee you scream agoni that your raw back torn you thi for lie and you had come hit you scream that lie beg for stop and that you swear your life that had lie stop amaz that believ faith such tortur for lie fool that and forward excel post john for take time luoma luomat alleg edu god merci fought good fight sinner luke finish for live christ and faith tim die gain philippian
soc.religion.christian	question newbi life pass fail and god grade curv and vagu religi want you peopl specif infinit number heaven and person that deserv simpli heaven noth hell grade unchang method person childhood into account sound simplif you figur that you expert quinn eschatolog area christian not agre suspect that primari sourc inform prophet and visionari and write tend highli symbol jesu teach gospel and book such revel john talk primarili differ etern life and etern death number occas jesu thing that impli sort differenti and number similar passag jesu thing even xxx will you judgement cor talk get into heaven skin teeth passag not interpret suggest separ heaven differ level prestig punish heaven hell and not christian even that christian group that believ multipl heaven mormon and mainstream christian that reader not call christian idea thi area involv specif mormon revel addit bibl and holi tradit gener christian sort note that christian will cring thought associ grade god point christ free result test that couldn possibl pass you test analog god grade strict and unbend scale cheat replac test paper exam that prepar teacher grade peopl end heaven and hell easi you inclin grade differ branch christian detail agre that anoth god cheat person sceptic claim exactli god cheat extend will accept peopl don explicitli acknowledg christ follow heart christian that thi principl not jesu provid clear descript save not clear that provid exact descript place divid line made clear that can expect whether individu save not clh
soc.religion.christian	prophet warn york citi evensont spot colorado edu evenson thoma randal write suppos true that peopl make mistak interest note that long ago dai you weren correct your propheci peopl mad and you longer believ even put death thi differ propheci and propheci expect that believ gather peopl will prophesi propheci judg cor noth kill make mistak that make mistak true that make mistak fill spirit not true that true entir bibl written men inspir god subject error for propheci revel scriptur scriptur scriptur gift scriptur and don you that made mistak fill spirit you don give grace peopl make mistak will never grow us spiritu gift minist small group encourag peopl speak impress imag lord will whether wrong and case handl time didn you fall you learn ride bicycl you and you learn your failur and your success spiritu gift you experi bring ask open question bibl close book scriptur for god told thi and jesu told that wouldn that impli that god pour revel that peopl will feel that and will not concept close canon cast shadow contemporari prophet hand open canon sometim canon scriptur complet thi mean that god longer speak heard voic not audibl nonetheless heard equival scriptur never heard contemporari prophet claim that receiv lord level scriptur contrari matur obei scriptur submit propheci fellow believ for judgement and reliabl yardstick for judg propheci scriptur canon close god not silent interest note that call propheci noth inspir translat scriptur call that propheci mislead wouldn that knowledg gift knowledg not excit talk shouldn call hors hors matter call question not label receiv word knowledg incident similar propheci and sometim two overlap gener supernatur knowledg fact that not jon reid fool cannot reid uiuc edu gain cannot lose jim elliot
soc.religion.christian	ancient book thi lost weekend accid moder describ thi improv version loss time standard work detect forgeri ancient document write friedrich blass hermeneutrik und kritik einleitend und hilfsdisziplinen vol handbuch der klassischen altertum wissenshaft noerdlingen beck portion thi describ niblei prophet book mormon slc deseret book you want attempt read thi forewarn niblei describ blass typic german scholar claim knowledg subject proce exhaust subject and reader niblei extract blass work form rule for forger make interest read confess that not read blass work niblei extract thereof german fall short requir and english translat techniqu describ wide that compet classic scholar examin purportedli ancient document and determin consist expect genuin document that time frame will not prove wrote determin reason confid that time and cultur forgeri type purportedli ancient document alleg actual holograph earli copi thereof for exampl dead sea scroll can test scientif mean determin ag paper ink and object found thi can provid pretti clear date actual physic object document claim copi ancient work copi recent for exampl find document monk monastari claim copi centuri ago perhap even gener copist thi problem can test test not like simpl cannot expect test ag physic object confin test text import rememb that test can document claim can date document and identifi cultur origin for exampl heard letter suppos written jesu king iraq thi document turn scholar date paper and ink assum holograph check languag content and write style consist expect palestinian jew that time even test result posit determin jesu wrote time and cultur bar sampl jesu handwrit clue for comparison scholarship stop seldom determin actual author expert bla work rememb test can appli alleg copi ancient work specif document intern consist contradict work short rel easi maintain intern consist even forgeri longer forgeri difficult maintain consist for thi reason success forger stick short document consist histori and geographi time short specif work not testabl write signific length dai forger escap detect for minor inconspicu thing that cultur even think forger find numer and trivial check devil detail literari style work figur speech etc ancient writer almost speak wai that strang such odd phrase thi book fit cultur complic document translat possibl even updat languag copi case languag not cultur claim allow recent copi problem and reduc certainti don necessarili prove forgeri test can quit effect materi work not easi requir skill historian linguist anthropologist etc question aspect thi document consist cultur claim origin thing don fit signific problem area due lack knowledg copist signific will ambigu sinc never cultur end result such test occasion case holograph ancient copi probabl indic that document part authent sometim part addit thi unsettl gener rais problem solv minut time for commerci real world and scholarship offer
soc.religion.christian	christian dirti word articl mar atho rutger edu usceast scarolina edu moss scarolina edu jame moss write brought christian not christian longer bad tast mouth christian faith accept and live life not teach christ cannot call christian beacus thing name christian that can not associ question for you can you give name organ philosophi polit movement etc never had evil name you miss central teach christian man inher sin save faith grace know that believ that not make sin not christian even manag head church not lord lord will enter kingdom heaven will father heaven matt problem inconsist bibl and that peopl edit origin document fit world view therebi leav bibl unbeliev sourc histor document you trust you hannib cross alp you you for histor document stood scrutini and attempt di credit bibl don dislik christian for won quit wit matter time stop christian faith organ religion will never can moment support shame you feel thi can browbeat you into believ and will succe drive you you difficult question afterlif and man requir salvat attain answer question man attain thi salvat can eastern religion and modern offshoot ag movement teach requir god form form can such come needless thi discuss lifetim and for peopl compris life write posit offer answer pointer manag unshaken faith entir live not spritual life difficult journei you never read pilgrim progress highli recommend thi greatest allegori english languag peac and love god ess name jame moss your close that sourc troubl for you conflict your politc belief and your religi upbring you wrote that faith accept and live life not teach christ christ refer god father not mother and male god not male human possess chromosom not honor god refer femal pure trendi discriminatori polit correct thi disparag women intent us male pronoun refer men and women english not decent neuter set pronoun god chose woman human partner bring christ into human popul not launch into detail discuss role women christian hour sleep last and for that reason apolog for shortcom thi articl happen across and felt move repli hope you and find similar frame mind contempl karl dussik
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu vbv eeap cwru edu virgilio dean velasco wrote affirm absolut scriptur not arrog moralist god truth reveal truth word and hold preciou strateg import absolut pardon humbl atheist exactli differ hold reveal truth blind faith basi evid that you find contrari absolut truth fulli expect peopl you and arrog sound and and time meet christian for that matter theist convert find thi proven and wisdom whatsoev your word unfaithfulli pixi you sincer that god exist you follow blindli word question author mean you defi theist repli
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart firstli atheist not post immatur flame start express opinion intend audienc mean exist question daili live fear will happen die bet you lick your lip you that person edg accept jeezu rais religi atmospher and attend year religi educ institut bibl can recogn passag memori strong opinion start human anim due advanc mental facil develop religi satisfi solut explain unexplain for exampl ancient greek believ that apollo drove chariot across sky each dai real due advanc technolog thi fals christian infecti cult reason flourish peopl hope driven purpos life safeti blank hide wow follow thi christian moral standard and etern happi for you found jeezu you brink digress reason christian flourish infecti natur friend mine breifli enter christian group and month set ministri guidelin for basicali thi prioriti spread word anim sleep food and reproduc and die religion christian noth drug peopl us drug escap realiti christian inject jeezu and live that high piti million live lost religi war christian had small part christian believ that person blind truth cannot realiz that live thi mask fake each dai jesu prophet happen larg influenc that time roman circa dispers jewish popul and commun need sort cohes element strong that time dire thought christian damien endemyr unpur knight doom acquir tast for blood and adopt nocturn lifestyl that doesnt mean vampir
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian vbv eeap cwru edu virgilio dean velasco write thought share word that receiv letter moodi bibl institut coupl month ago word jame stowel presid mbi dai dry cleaner and radio plai caught attent talk show guest critic evangel christian absolut and absolut miss point imo stowel miss point affirm absolut scriptur not arrog moralist god truth reveal truth word and hold preciou strateg import absolut stowel jump strang truth absolut don that necessarili follow truth absolut scriptur truth and absolut answer question perhap you can explain you determin part scriptur truth and truth absolut and qualifi make determin consensu even evangel christian not mention rest christian biblic interpret find stowel statement terribl simpl mind carol alvin caralv auto trol
soc.religion.christian	ancient book articl apr atho rutger edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write sinc manuscript close actual event compar ancient christian histori show that accur copi origin text that weak argument due lack regard critic event independ support text for date oldest extant text you feel civil war coupl thousand year extant text written adjust for larg illiter popul and copi manuscript hand hal hal heydt analyst pacif bell you system work wait for prompt whheydt pbhya pacbel
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soc.religion.christian	technolog mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write comput not fantasyland respons disappear peopl net real slander and decept carri net wrong carri paper face face michael cathol traditon list behaviour call spiritu work merci admonish sinner instruct ignor counsel doubt comfort sorrow bear wrong patient forgiv injuri prai for live and dead controversi thi and don want argu thing that direct applic usenet peopl question and express doubt comfort prayer imagin happen flame war bore wrong patient and forgav injuri add that admonish privat email publicli jayn kulikauska jayn mmalt guild org
soc.religion.christian	post jono mac rtsg mot jon ogden write advic thi you that you hot for not christian befriend and develop friendship time wit and share gospel not that you can date that can save onc becom christian quit relationship progress friendship don accept christ you good friendship and you haven wast lot emot energi and hurt agre jon delet part reserv thi advic maintain friend level relationship easier peopl end get hurt thi like happen start feel attract peopl feel attract feel can cloud judgement had experi quickli believ that shouldn date christian believ that date thi man believ that premarit sex fine peopl love each relationship end belief immedi return origin state thi extrem case young and home and fellowship don work exactli thi for peopl import not underestim power feel attract jayn kulikauska jayn mmalt guild org
soc.religion.christian	pantheism and environment kevxu cunyvm bitnet write delet paragraph and mention pantheism pantheism pervert and danger not cup tea thi clear can speak for cavano understood comment refer idea that unrecogn pantheism danger christian unthinkingli adopt pantheist idea that oppos christian can pervert faith recogn pantheism encount opportun embrac consist christian and reject isn alert think and question examin underli assumpt book read program watch and socio polit movement particip idea import philosophi and doctrin give form event live basi live live love and servic command love god mind mean fuzzi head drift idea idea and that consumer and rapaci style live rare call name greed christian acknowledg thi pope frequent theme write thought christian tradit recogn that consumer place live christian pervers and danger faith you jack for point parallel jayn kulikauska jayn mmalt guild org
soc.religion.christian	easter name testament doubl standard seanna bnr seanna watson write quebec french word for celebr resurrect que thi etymolog relat pesach passov and pascal lamb french canadian roman cathol celebr name parent seder and notic label packag english hebrew and french phrase kosher for passov french word us que deliber mistransl thi kulikauska home and refer food kosher for easter back origin question thi thread christian jewish descent and law post thi subject whether writer christian jewish descent relat life decis god led peopl academ interest topic seanna sinc year thi case admit that answer thi question affect amount weight give writer statement jayn kulikauska jayn mmalt guild org
soc.religion.christian	sex educ articl apr atho rutger edu mprc troi rochest edu price write apr atho rutger edu jenk microsoft jen kilmer write method expect actual failur rate failur rate abstin figur don account rape woman rape consid not abstain longer textbook abstin defin contact peni and vagina vulva area immedi surround vulva and transfer semen vagina vulva area surround vulva that abstin wasn discuss sex marriag moral wrong sperm ovum and concept imposs moral question recal teacher ask creat child you aren good parent jen includ stdisclaim jenk microsoft msdo test
soc.religion.christian	weird earli christian good cathol boi convert attract ration tradit aquina and emot authent comp faddish anglican roman catholic never had time for pope heirarch and sacrement system felt quit happi nose such john emeri post back had engag circuit textual argument prove faith oblivi fact that dozen faith can miracl and that sinc argument depend belief bibl god sole revel not good logic argu that bibl prove god happi accept church god revel church that exist bibl church that choos grace canon scriptur protest ludicros thought shown protest breathtak accept luther reject dozen book dislik recent read peter brown bodi and societi research and written rais upset question earli christian weird even todai carzi fundi had odd view sex odder view bodi total ludicr view demon and distinctli uncharit view human be question thi christian weird us pristin fall church happen gener wait triumph church constantin wha thi god promis support church us throw usual protest pieti church not organ commun noth and earli commun that weird instit church model saniti comparison interest cathol and orthodox respons thi issu not issu for protest soul alon jesu approach for ecclesia koinoia time and space weird earli christian problem thi exagger protest view protest strong appreci for role church soul alon god import for protest mean stori read sort histori you talk you point protest don quit problem you that church had fall point protest mytholog typic place fall time constantin like regard happen sort cumul fashion start constantin get wors pope accumul power mediev period consequ earlier somewhat worrisom even protest accept theolog result earli ecumen council includ such item triniti and incarn work reform such luther and calvin you find church father such augustin quot time you find protest resist idea that earli church wierd addit problem for protest that don want talk thi context sinc look recent that question whether can augustin and father proto protest view mari author pope etc not congeni protest thought thing that somewhat worri question methodolog plenti wierd peopl earli church concern that overrepres christian court martyrdom good reason that ordinari christian prudent that heroic virgin good reason that christian happili marri can suspect that earli church had rang wierdo and sane peopl that level revision activ histori moment don mean that manufactur thing cloth don you tendenc emphas clh
soc.religion.christian	hell quoth moder that qualm give you thi explan rais addit problem god sourc exist complet separ make exist imposs god maintain connect reject exist can punish short poem god merci made fix pain hell lewi express idea that current haven find sourc that even hell express merci god limit amount separ and amount agoni that can achiev michael covington internet mcovingt uga edu artifici intellig program phone univers georgia fax athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	rise two histor fact that import jesu didn rise dead equal impress order creat observ amount impact displai dead bodi jesu even jewish and roman author gain lot discredit christian michael covington internet mcovingt uga edu artifici intellig program phone univers georgia fax athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	legitim bawdi humor sex educ joke articl apr atho rutger edu lubosh hanuska anu edu ljh write son advic can give you thi eat lot carrot you that will work and intercours son disclaim singl cathol didn busi post thi kind joke thi group you found inappropri wrong won tempt kind sin can doesn belittl not substitut offens for humor genuin funni shouldn assum that joke that mention sexual dirti and never mistak pruderi for spiritu can direct opposit symptom lack healthi perspect god creation michael covington internet mcovingt uga edu artifici intellig program phone univers georgia fax athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	easter name testament doubl standard articl apr atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org jayn kulikauska write seanna bnr seanna watson write quebec french word for celebr resurrect que thi etymolog relat pesach passov and pascal lamb french canadian roman cathol celebr name parent seder and notic label packag english hebrew and french phrase kosher for passov french word us que deliber mistransl thi kulikauska home and refer food kosher for easter word que french word for easter francophon whether quebec pari haven you heard phrase paschal lamb mean jesu nitpick trivial part thi thread vera your clock bind todai vera noy your religion strong name noy midwai uchicago edu you triniti disclaim lard patrick breastplat disclaim
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soc.religion.christian	qualiti cathol liturgi apr atho rutger edu jemurrai magnu ac ohio state edu john murrai write opinion netter subject that bother wife and liturgi cathol liturgi last year that and hoc event mass drive crazi grace fill aspect liturg tradit that happen togeth led priest make kind dialogu present god mass participatori prayer live kick and scream and cathol invit particip liturgi count rosari bead mass find thi comment interest massiv longer tradit for proclaim passion account activ particip you latin beauti hear passion chant deacon narrat chant middl bariton rang jesu chant bass and directli quot handl high tenor thi basi for common proclam passion that john prefer judgement call base pastor consider each pastor make decis isn church wide conspiraci particip palm sundai liturgi initi bless and distribut palm and process get long you passion pastor feel that not make peopl stand that long narr orchestr proclam multipl reader and public particip crowd quotat run longer singl reader proclam church multipl mass for sundai briefer option and each parish cathol longer canon ti geograph parish that anoth cathol parish columbu area base ohio state address liturgi closer your prefer talk your fellow parishion and common your prefer pastor gener will listen confront request you bring paramed case react strongli shock peopl ask for longer sundai mass perhap problem that recent liturg develop hasn follow continu evolut model accumul small singl hard punctuat equilibrium model thing stai and accustom mark mutat hit apolog mi rememb name evolutionari theori tim rolf rolf dsuvax dsu edu rolf junior dsu edu rolfet columbia dsu edu
soc.religion.christian	christian and aid articl apr atho rutger edu marka travi csd harri mark ashlei write articl apr atho rutger edu kevin pictel pictel kevin davi write christian abstin moment will overcom desir compromis and ration poor choic sin last week guilti anger jealousi and mess stuff forgiven and not condemn suffer aid even suggest that aid deserv ludicr man told not sex rel listen and man found your point mark comment valid suggest that aid deserv ludicr sin can resolv abstain sin and weekli routin fail sure deserv god compassion provid incarn logo jesu rememdi and situat aid deserv sure deserv instant death paul cogent remid willingli judg deserv punish height arrog and lack humil aid problem peopl didn involv deviant sexual behaviour peopl receiv taint blood not blame show that mankind affect action point can aid and never engag deviant sexual behavior fact engag lot deviant sexual behavior hiv peopl and never infect aid consequ behavior not sexual and not sexual behavior carri risk transmiss addit imho forgiv not end thing matter aton aid don end thing love and serv god grow daili closer prayer medit and disciplin even aid remain forev celib drug free and transfus free larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
soc.religion.christian	christian and aid paul conditt write import realiz that action consequ and that rule made for good suggest that diseas punish for type sin take thing text delet sin can terribl consequ real care that consequ punish for sin that you had thi thread jump conclus haven write that aid punish for type sin thi includ mark ashlei you respond wrote that you don thing god that curs will come you and definit curs retribut meant harm misfortun us word god love told live bibl god doesn curs warn kevin davi wrote ago last week guilti anger jealousi and mess stuff forgiven and not condemn suffer aid even suggest that aid deserv ludicr bibl make clear that equal deserv death wors aid hurt god sin paul conditt reveal feel case you couldn extrem angri and upset thing thi ration fear and phobia reach peopl aid and social unaccept diseas whether diseas action not irrelev jesu issu you bring your anger obviou wrong angri gal for reason extrem angri par hatr jesu reason angri for put cross sin prayer forgiv father not know forgiv jesu call forgiv love for don give anger will foolish quarrel and bad feel you read that bother you you address love felt that god punish gai sexual immor peopl aid deserv punish that don frame respons thi make feel sad for that aid simpli harm diseas not unlik god punish for peopl commit sin god love children equal and rejoic singl come back will judg die opportun accept god grace earnestli seek heart believ gospel testimoni repent sin confess that jesu lord baptism and live life for not judg etern condemn god arm not short save will can move harden heart misl person work for good men even worst situat set time and place for men that perhap reach and find second issu you bring peopl ration fear peopl aid fortun you describ misperceiv you miss point made earlier post and react anger attitud that haven express that sometim hard discount your percept open mind you quit correct that reach peopl jesu thi brother and sister and daili basi you send name citi and state you live will find and you touch brother aid peopl aid and live nearbi you that you can love attitud for issu you bring import individu contract aid get aid relev salvat that repet involv import point made that not listen god command advic warn sin harm misfortun and for thi reason good prevent misfortun aid can transmit sin wai listen god advic and sex your wife husband hope that you feel paul love aaron cardena
soc.religion.christian	essen testament apr atho rutger edu harwood umiac umd edu david harwood write had recent critic thi listserv for academ biblic scholar book modern fake listsev thi and discuss current question base inform present essen that challeng eat choic info bias oppos prefer parti for info whether dismiss thi work put consider into for info will christi aatchoo philosophi principl and univers manitoba scienc thought and realiti winnipeg canada leak philosoph think chrstie ccu umanitoba brain lubric societi
soc.religion.christian	pantheism environment articl apr atho rutger edu jono mac rtsg mot jon ogden write that master thi planet our care for and our will judg thi task not busi spread li true check inform verifi scientif fact and scientif fact never heard such thing scienc never prove disprov theori histori tim timothi brent man will come true happi brent bank ecn purdu edu accept that small part infinit univers purdu univers spinoza materi scienc engin paraphras hope don embroil discuss word fact not into argument philosophi scienc clh
soc.religion.christian	prayer jesu name articl apr atho rutger edu munn cae wisc edu scott munn write eventu prai jesu name excel question that don real answer question prai jesu name peopl jesu prai god and listen spite sin can and that dai you will question you you father for will give you name you ask for noth name and you will receiv that your joi made full john don that necessarili christ name amen for prayer heard glorifi son acknowledg that prayer made that save save jesu dai reconcil god man reason prayer heard god for becom unclean and righteou deed filthi garment and wither leaf and iniqu wind isaiah na prayer rest deed unholi directli father taint sin wash prayer christ blood worthi lift father god christ jesu roman na scholar that thi paul recogn that even unholi for father basic prayer gift grace that jesu prayer power prai name glorifi and prais jesu for thi beauti and power gift carter page happi crown and chiefest part wisdom carpent apprentic and hold god aw thi law that cpage sea upenn edu stricken heart pride brought learn adapt sophocl
soc.religion.christian	easter name testament doubl standard seanna bnr seanna watson write sinc dai christian celebr resurrect jesu approach thought comment thi articl mar atho rutger edu dsegard nyx edu daniel segard write object celebr easter celebr resurrect jesu don recal command scriptur for celebr resurrect sole and reason that christian not celebr name not quit correct biblic teach expect celebr resurrect christ not onc year time baptiz col buri baptism risen faith oper god hath rais dead rom buri baptism into death that christ rais dead glori father even walk new life want celebr resurrect faith walk new life baptism not celebr pagan goddess process scriptur israel will observ dai forev gentil messiah israel observ dai not requir sinc adopt into commonwealth israel gentil graft into commonwealth israel requir observ basic command abram act requir onc come faith messiah thi infer that rule for christian jewish descent happen jew greek slave free male femal for christ jesu jewish christian messian find form worship and disciplin meaning cultur background hard time understand justif for appli rule command justifi grace faith jesu christ paul answer your question roman state that adopt glori coven give law servic god and promis israelit packag deal identifi true israelit make plain that true israelit not born that accept promis god paul continu emphas that israelit cor gal that belong christ abraham seed and heir promis israelit promis come law noth that you want discard part law you want your husband faith you you that adulteri longer forbidden law btw give refer for your statement that gentil requir observ basi commandm you list act deal circumcis and law mose ad transgress god etern law gal rom dariu lecoint born depart educ research and made anew florida state univers get phd becom tel patient humbl discipl mail dlecoint garnet acn fsu edu
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola write firstli atheist atheist drivel delet untitl seed such miracul thing can sit shelf forev stuck ground make clever draw nutrient soil root and gather forc sun put lot blossom and fruit reced program seed and put sun sky and put food dirt for root and told bee come and make water fall refresh and make pure perhap thi product love and perhap happen chanc yeah johnni hart cartoonist for carter page happi crown and chiefest part wisdom carpent apprentic and hold god aw thi law that cpage sea upenn edu stricken heart pride brought learn adapt sophocl
soc.religion.christian	reason revel articl apr atho rutger edu trajan stephen mcintyr write articl apr atho rutger edu write can repli timothi not discount part bibl discount notion revel author timothi told thought truth base belief god faith jesu resurrect son and read testament had reveal base second hand inform friend and author not truth exagger bit origin poster misquot refer tim author paul and revel second hand and that saul journei approach damascu and suddenli light heaven flash and fell ground and heard voic saul saul you persecut and art thou lord and jesu you persecut act na paul receiv revel directli risen jesu pretti cool close involv earli church leader follow jesu ministri earth you holi spirit reveal thing and into that argument you hard press convinc that holi spirit exist agre don spirit convinc you spirit exist don complain thi circular can natur world explain supernatur thi revel author bibl addition written second hand info spirit and carri chanc not true spirit part god closer sourc can you greek timothi sometim translat inspir god liter mean god breath word god spoke actual word into scriptur theologian and bibl scholar jame boic that can rememb hand quit annoi dryness and incomplet inspir god you escap thi notion second hand info had entir bibl written god and truth studi bibl extens and hear scholar put object evid show god author thi collect book that vers timothi continu book written span year author walk life testimoni singl authorship god and for reason read corinthian human wisdom basic that human wisdom useless compar god written for learn you knew jesu you bibl you realiz reason law and prophet for common man sourc you claim discov inform superior histor bibl not josephu write write gnostic centuri earliest and claim jesu human human wisdom apostl paul set critic you not embrac idea that jesu wise jesu fulli god that assert that wise realis that you not accept author bibl thi unfortun learn god and christ and god purpos earth read bibl and search truth for for your inform rais knowledg god time faith show word and share truth live happili and moral acknowledg exist suprem read bibl time entireti and studi contain truth and jesu moral human be live fact darn idol gui ration reason for god exist rethink thi last paragraph god your current belief jesu liar complet nut not assert that god exist claim god regard lewi you bit respect for jesu conclus care logic unfound hypothes base gut feel text and scholar unsubstanti claim bibl plead that entireti throw book your read bibl not spirit inspir writer guid reader cannot understand spirit guidanc for god reveal spirit for spirit search thing even depth god cor na peac and god guid wisdom carter page happi crown and chiefest part wisdom carpent apprentic and hold god aw thi law that cpage sea upenn edu stricken heart pride brought learn adapt sophocl theologian quit annoi misleadingess god breath true that greek word root god and breath etymolog doesn necessarili you word mean goodby religi express sinc come god you word us thi case word us for wisdom dream that come god god breath overtransl clh
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soc.religion.christian	deific articl apr atho rutger edu holfeltz lstc stortek write aaron bryce cardena write prophesi mean secondli apostl answer especi wit suppos person wit that mean true apostl christ let church quit claim apostl you will mailmen call apostl that sens jesu design and power rememb that thousand peopl wit jesu that didn make apostl joe fisher
soc.religion.christian	revel doesn contradict church last for time us church bolster thi evid letter for instanc paul talk super apostl corinthian corinthian mention peopl will led miracl sign and wonder thessalonian tell timothi that clear that will abandon faith and teach li timothi and that will search for teacher suit want hear timothi such passag letter and jesu warn matthew promis thi last part vers and thi gospel kingdom will preach world testimoni nation and end will come even todai fals teach can name two familiar baptism and prai jesu into your life for salvat taught dead wrong context vers interpret and plain made jesu taught luke and luke command baptism matthew church jesu found aliv and not persecut back law won persecut joe fisher peac lou lou nunez mail lnunez vaxa steven tech edu altar dei deum qui laetificat juventutem meam cor cor luke
soc.religion.christian	ancient book recommend that michael read true and reason dougla jacobi joe fisher and michael wait dent armor and faith hasn waver sinc dai discipl you want life chang
soc.religion.christian	sin for take thi sharon resp add vers that and perhap answer second vers corinthian colossian for know that bit tricki peopl conscienc warn case conscienc can harden sin deceit hebrew that person idea doesn care that sin sin don that sin begin search and examin scriptur find that sin and repent and chang question circumst judg sin possibl jesu wholeheartedli thi thi point time sound cop stifl question joe fisher miss john
soc.religion.christian	uniti articl apr atho rutger edu maarten van loon cwi maarten van loon write fellow netter and fellow christian subject uniti christian and christian church bibl studi group alltough person opinion thi issu thought nice hear opinion fellow christian brother and sister countri and situat background member orthodox reform church uniti found true parti involv discipl church even congreg compet and argu and had messag put into practic messag sinc discipl found that travel anoth church movement accept had retreat back januari congreg louisvil thi retreat for colleg student and had even peopl louisvil for year and had becom discipl previou april and had never church kentucki kei uniti unselfish love and sacrific that area discipl stand christian anoth part uniti common depth convict part christian campu fellowship focus uniti church and that church had thing involv lack convict believ that unifi didn care truth delight get togeth problem netherland that two church denomin characterist confess differ respect for exampl matter appropri salvat and us creed essenc lot peopl church faith and feel that becom church that question creed creed bibl stand firmli question can congreg christ separ wall denomin thi untoler situat scriptur scriptur split and differ opinion per previou note mention that teach fals mean differ opinion and belief scriptur state direct prais for you for your meet harm good place hear that you come togeth church divis you and extent doubt differ you show you god approv corinthian will god show approv fruit act that qualiti devot apostl teach fellowship communion fill aw for god common glad and sincer heart prais god enjoi favor peopl mention act god show that qualiti persecut stephen man full faith and holi spirit act stone act can that church true church jesu christ can that church true church that church perfect not congreg worldwid movement find that closest found boston church christ movement constantli strive error point and correct total sold god problem close relat question can cooper christian two church uniti thi question import for that church can true for cooper that can occur uniti hand never occur for church true remind that mark state that discipl not part main group begin will not lose reward boston movement heard numer time thi exact thing that discipl that not part boston movement that not make discipl peopl admit that run into qualiti discipl movement haven thi last problem sound strang you for your inform lot organ found peopl specif church and member member that church thi consid correct for year year ago peopl start discuss thi and middl thi process organ open door for peopl church etc warn that thi sound cliquei cliqu group run togeth extent exclus thi problem fellowship and divis not that thi correct for church group for reason church attend for exampl intern cliqu peopl group committe organiz head congreg rare talk committe and seldom vote offic anoth offic open that step back degre exclus such that pastor had wipe and start scratch sinc clue mean discipl thi rigid cliqu begin broken warn such divis divis for your opinion advanc maarten joe fisher
soc.religion.christian	weird earli christian earli christian weird christian contemporari familiar you late republican rome pricip weirder peopl will forget creativ filter renaiss and eighteenth centuri hero worship modern christian and christian you pretti weird your acid dismiss luther and protestant and appar bui into simplist propaganda model catholic not faddish larg that global fad longer cycl smaller denomin and local not visibl you lot travel exot land recom mend salutari antidot thi nonsens philipp ari book hour death longitudin studi death custom western specif cathol christendom and won escap into obscur christian centuri paul pretti weird peter and appar quit weird circl jesu you find help bit chariti understand weirdo and nutcas respect and love you expect show your notion command love anoth and brown book fact heroic attempt group talk motiv love and gospel and social context brown heroic manag overstrain time don suggest that follow cult path and rais hard question skeptic insid that earli christian weird christian and christian cult todai that extent you rais problem and perhap your phrase implicitli deprecatori and iron principl for answer question respect and love for not understand and help work stand long not overwhelm revuls and begin withdraw respect for peopl advis word histor read brown book good bio augustin robin lane fox christian and pagan paul veyn histori privat life foucault book sexual ancient world human weird sane person and kill fortun for thi prove comedi tragedi easter thi tad earli vigil servic move forward church area vigil and seminarian worship and run and thi anglican fad michael siemon truth and ml ulyss att love truth and act measur love ml panix thoma merton
soc.religion.christian	confess communion apr david cruz urib write orthodox practic communion read throw remark someplac that orthodox receiv frequent cathol current practic variat histor orthodox practic vari place place parish parish and jurisdict jurisdict parish south africa receiv communion infant children parish expect that will vesper and confession prayer even and that will fast travel church don receiv communion sundai sundai steve gold
soc.religion.christian	sin apr jill ann dalei write jad exactli definit sin and exampl jad person commit sin answer briefli sin fall short glori god roman steve gold
soc.religion.christian	pantheism environment apr susan harwood kaczmarczik write suspect that parti environment disput think earth sanctifi clear that environmentalist energi deriv call religi left secular even pagan fanatic that worship such god natur and gender rever accord real religion emphasi mine shk secular and pagan not synonym pagan shk deriv latin paganu mean countri shk fact cognat italian paisano mean peasant shk pagan thing includ rever for planet and shk life planet stem belief that life shk interconnect secular shk sacr and that damag environ caus secular worldview humanist worldview and secular humanist worldview thi not that secular humanist necessarili avid destroy environ and that concern environ time renaiss and ref ormat western europ man centr focu cultur human thi conscious secular sens that concern primarili present ag ather ag come capit aros time and power econom central philosophi thi doesn mean that econom not exist simpli that began domin consciou cultur valu western european societi and offshoot thi cultur shift stage accompani industri revolut and valu that justifi fundament cultur shift mean econom christian view man economo steward creation secular idea man slave econom forc and power denomin differ worshipp mammon for name deiti free rein market mechan for dialect forc histori capitalist west and socialist east environ sacrif altar mammon situat mitig west tho concern damag environ had freedom oppos happen and state case steve gold
soc.religion.christian	ancient book cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write talk atheist and testament histor reliabl document reason give found that thi isn effect argument atheist perfectli will acknowledg exist and ministri jesu quit capabl ration miracl and resurrect into misunderstand hoax simpl fabric can make analog iliad book that tell stori histor trojan war talk god and goddess and convers don convinc atheist valid christian argument foster faith and understand god wrong atheist led christian argument alan terlep incestu vituper oakland univers rochest atterlep vela ac oakland edu melissa eggertsen rush angel fear tread
soc.religion.christian	revel hudson athena uga edu paul hudson write biblic propheci somewhat cyclic for exampl virgin propheci isaiah propheci christ thi appli book revel regard perterist view propheci doubl applic jewish captiv and end time rev date propheci not appli destructioin jerusalem dariu
soc.religion.christian	prayer jesu name articl apr atho rutger edu munn cae wisc edu scott munn write dormitori bibl discuss christian roommat and jesu name peopl jesu prai god and listen spite sin can insert huge delet materi sinc had relev found peopl jesu didn jesu announc that space vacuum peopl live time jesu live discipl taught thi you truth faith will will even greater thing father and will you name that son bring glori father you for name and will john jesu ask prai for thing name sinc that time request not for intercess be jesu rememb that god and mediat god and men man christ jesu gave ransom for men testimoni proper time timothi priest talk priest hebrew sinc death prevent continu offic jesu live forev perman priesthood save complet come god live interced for hebrew hebrew full area talk jesu mediat man joe fisher peopl jesu didn jesu not obviou you sens you mean didn christian thought gener that had jesu sens that save death god not bound chronolog real spiritu sens jesu even term knowledg sure didn explicit knowledg that christian messian propheci knowledg jesu even knowledg afar clh
soc.religion.christian	empti tomb empti tomb can trust late wilbur smith jesu earth made amaz predict and frequent repeat quot for you behold jerusalem and son man betrai chief priest and scribe and condemn death and deliv gentil mock and scourg and crucifi and dai rise matthew wholli normal experi men jesu had never worthi death even deserv reprov knew die year ag knew citi die knew that religi leader race condemn death knew that betrai knew that actual death place mock and scourg knew exactli die crucifixion thi remark amaz minut particular foreknowledg predict follow shortli buri that rise even design time dai sinc thi central fact death and resurrec tion jesu christ that truth untruth chri tianiti turn examin close bodi jesu embalm long sheet cloth layer great abund spice and ointment distribut bodi tomb had never us and great stone roll entranc jewish author fulli awar that jesu had predict rise had stone offici seal and saturdai guard tomb prevent discipl carri bodi earli sundai morn women faith follow christ tomb anoint bodi utter astonish found stone roll bodi rush back discipl shortli two jesu friend peter and john utterli skeptic affair and found tomb empti women had even guard hurri into citi sanhedrin that had hire guard tomb that bodi matthew thi tomb becom empti famou testament scholar america professor testament literatur larg theolog seminari wrote author answer question tomb empti and wrote letter not mark bitter sarcasm that explain tomb empti explain santa clau come chimnei christma time didn realiz that santa claus never come chimnei christma time never santa clau and jesu di buri tomb joseph arimathea and sundai bodi fact histori can escap responsi biliti come conclus happen mention myth abandon year anoth professor kirsopp lake harvard univers explain empti tomb scholar field testament critic ventur adopt that women wrong tomb fact tomb nearbi mistak second contrari similar experi for peopl forget place buri dearest love dai even women miss tomb peter and john wrong tomb soldier guard wrong tomb record attempt escap evid empti tomb testament behold watch into citi and show chief priest thing that and assembl leader and had counsel gave larg monei soldier discipl night and stole slept and thi come governor ear will persuad and secur you monei and taught and thi monli report jew thi dai matthew thi good illustr attempt escap fact that tomb empti you will notic onc that chief priest and elder never question that tomb empti never even guard had report true knew true anoth fact thi stori make ridicul maintain that tomb empti soldier told that jesu discipl and stole bodi soldier asleep asleep such testimoni valueless court even shallow and sordid that make reject explan charact and histori discipl compel not steal and secretli carri bodi jesu professor heffern point leader judaism jerusalem had put lord jesu death had noth offer contradict discipl continu preach jesu and resurrect jerusalem knew tomb empti had trickeri sooner suspect prove second sure discipl even confess fraud terrif persecut underw live lie men seldom die for lie and men result ultim that messag that christ had risen suffer fate such unfound stori lost power thi truth swept world close pagan templ won million discipl brought hope despair human foundat truth earli church and todai believ and freshli gloriou not jesu come aliv not disappear leav discipl specul subsequ dai had happen appear liter visibl frequent appear women tomb resurrect morn matthew that dai mari magdalen alon john and simon peter alon luke afternoon walk two follow emmau luke and that night appear ten apostl gather togeth upper room jerusalem mark luke etc week appear eleven apostl place john onc brethren mountain galile corinthian and final apostl ascens mark luke act fact empti tomb regard histor ical record appear kind theori propos attempt deni liter theori unreason support evid won unanim approv refus realiti appear true live ag lead scientist and agnost and philosoph antisuperanaturalist not forget that greatest thinker ag firmli believ thi great miracl increas mather presid harvard timothi dwight presid yale nathan lord presid dartmouth edward hitchcock presid amherst mark hopkin presid william john witherspoon presid princeton men and countless believ suppos christ rise dead life your life thi seal certitud teach christ jesu taught great truth claim come god god son god alon knew god perfectli that believ had etern life and had that god name grant rise grave dai reveal that amaz unparallel predict spoke truth you reason good reason not that word true point not truth resurrect convinc that claim son god and fact that christ rose dead testifi that broken power death and that will dai rais grave promis word thi person jesu christ son god thi cornerston foundat your life for life built forgiv sin compan ionship and joi that circumst can and hope that shineth and perfect dai ag and testimoni and todai
soc.religion.christian	testament rexlex fnal fnal gov write can jillustr thi point god administ judgment sin not forgiven cover ag church not sin forgiven power sin put death thi distinct quit arbitrari bless man iniqu forgiven sin cover and quot apostl paul even david describeth blessed man god imputeth righteous work bless iniqu forgiven and sin cover bless man lord will not imput sin rom biblic perspect that foreg and cover parallel equival concept testament dispens distinct unwarr millenium read that sin dealt immedi present that christ present earth rulership christ rex scriptur back thi you suggest jesu travel deal individu violat law for million perhap billion peopl such activ for mose lawgiv consid unwis make for interest specul leav comment call bema seat throne judgment thi unnecessari divis ala dispensation tom albrecht
soc.religion.christian	christ refer adam finish studi thi not propheci fulfil found refer start show fulfil found that had miss needless cannot post studi intend publish process organ and show fulfil will readi write and send publish luck and free time final septemb hope joe fisher
soc.religion.christian	question that bee bother wquinnan sdcc ucsd edu malcusco write approach time scientist match god abil creat life us utmost caution question implic thi statement that physic act limit god and that attempt replic act blasphemi god god caus bush burn consum thing usurp god role religi peopl threaten scienc systemat remov physic proof god exist time reli and faith and spiritu world relat god becuas scienc remov prop don thi bad thing alan terlep incestu vituper oakland univers rochest atterlep vela ac oakland edu melissa eggertsen rush angel fear tread
soc.religion.christian	pantheism environment cleveland freenet edu gari cavano write current emphasi environ turn unintention into pantheism debat thi quit bit and legitim concern for planet great thing can easili pervert into danger pagan involv environment thi natur sinc respect for earth fundament tenet pagan denomin thi doesn mean that environment wrong support peac middl east wrong jew and muslim work for nonetheless pagan rise and christian address thi and draw peopl pagan christian not pagan religion address that christian and isn that pagan hit major truth that christian forgotten thi doesn mean that pagan mean that learn pagan movement pagan respect feminin christian long histori oppress women and not male christian unabl live sexist manner idea that god sexless that christ women and accomplish mission met great deal resist thi insist male domin theologi and male domin societi that drive young women had put sexist attitud church second pagan respect physic world thi idea great ramif environment respect for surround and world anoth integr sexual christian long tradit call sexual feeel sin and urg peopl suppress and deni sexual thi sex part human experi and attempt remov simpli not feasibl option christian begun develop workabl sexual ethic and pagan attract option not advoc that christian doctrin sex marriag etc chang that christian work moder ethic sexual denial sexual place emphasi sex unmoder sexual and bring closer god alan terlep incestu vituper oakland univers rochest atterlep vela ac oakland edu melissa eggertsen rush angel fear tread
soc.religion.christian	opinion ask reject talk christian complain hell you you heaven don heaven you heaven sinc isn heaven you not you point that heaven base faith you don heaven you step don hell will that hell etern death and seper god atheist that die will die forev and never god fact that hell hell doesn wors earth hell etern and lot wors heaven that comparison that matter alan terlep incestu vituper oakland univers rochest atterlep vela ac oakland edu melissa eggertsen rush angel fear tread
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian share thought thi topic arrog christian and forward respons encount christian find dismai belief that faith total truth belief come bibl and bibl word god and god truth truth thi stanc make difficult discuss faith and hesit christian truth faith aris will choic that choic part faith and part reason choic discuss christian remind schoolyard discuss grade school kid policemen jerk you daddi told you you daddi argument stop end aren kid grope for truth author declar belief fals thi time brows thi newsgroup apolog cover tire ground discuss thi topic piqu interest and comment loui kim southwest research institut fax post offic drawer lkim swri edu san antonio compuserv sort mystifi christian respond thi can understand critic christian that not evid that good evid for religion don agre plenti intellig peopl don find evid convinc that doesn your point you upset that peopl christian true that thing contradict fals thi suggest model spiritu thing that christian sound existentialist view peopl choos follow actual independ spiritu realiti and that specif choic uniqu sens thi sort model modif sort anoth for religion christian essens histor religion that base concept that actual spiritu entiti that interven histori specif wai and that evid that histori mundan world not free choos thing work drop fall defin situat doesn christian concept that spiritu matter actual extern realiti hope honest not claim that perfect understand not confid that thing and that impli that thing that contradict fals don proce thi needn result arrog interest talk peopl religion thing teach and even don respect fellow human be respect peopl and that matter wrong even disaster wrong clh
soc.religion.christian	revel phil launchburi almac phil launchburi write apost church revel like refer centuri jew reject messiah and had crucifi john refer afraid not refer church that christ found time warn that church will fall into heresi apostl for exampl parabl matthew refer kingdom heaven church and process will corrupt thi interpret matthew parabl nonsens yeast stand for sin corrupt heresi for exampl bewar yeast pharise matthew explain that leaven pharise jesu simpli refer teach not sin corrupt heresi jesu gave apostl kei kingdom and that gate hell not prevail church tom albrecht
soc.religion.christian	environment and pagan christian devot bit effort bash pagan and figur present gospel pagan christ answer pagan lot question unlik materialist deni for spiritu michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu dleonar andi bgsu edu pixi write articl apr atho rutger edu pardon humbl atheist exactli differ hold reveal truth blind faith basi evid that you find contrari absolut truth fulli expect peopl you and arrog sound and pixi you sincer that god exist you follow blindli follow god blindli you ask physic blind person follow ey dog answer quit simpl dog can and blind person cannot acknowledg christian that blind illus realiti watch hear hear li truth listen your radio read newspap rememb that tast not healthi reli can hear and tast and real and not that god you cannot trust sens whether and hear god truth lie that faith save forc ourselv that god truth and love share even defi creat not love thi world trust experi extent thing that defi logic experi father command and result long term find that led proper direct even not feel time thi work christian import exercis bodi make bodi strong excercis faith make faith strong for you can convert you you choos follow god your will you follow christian share you love receiv god you reject that accept your decis offer open you you want find can suggest you prai for faith read bibl and ask christian experi person you grow understand defianc logic thi world lord bring peac you malcusco
soc.religion.christian	pantheism environment articl apr atho rutger edu cleveland freenet edu gari cavano write thi group and thi cover current emphasi environ turn unintention into pantheism adamantli environmentalist will not us styrofoam tabl servic that mind you read thi post not attack environment half truth danger complet lie complet lie will rare readili accept half truth lie subtli hidden powerfulli offer masquerad angel light satan for peopl loosen grip treat earth god intric handiwork that health futur gener base treat respect you happili leav that error reject style push peopl opposit error earth not god intric handiwork not rubbish god mother earth you primarili love and serv two facet respons care for environ treat proper respect god intric handiwork and health futur gener and show facet disregard such thing not constitut apostl paul call thing men that mean save don forget environ import thing spend time put your foot your mouth thi manner will destroi your credibl express thing that import show that not ultim entiti that creatur and not creator show that beauti and glori point greater beauti and glori show that not ultim tapestri cord woven infinit tapestri god give mountain greatest jonathan hayward climb and love jonathan hayward wheaton edu strength for climb corinthian jhayward imsa edu
soc.religion.christian	rise don understand thi post direct you convinc subject assum you direct argument peopl not that christ rose dead your proof you us bibl exclus post immedi useless doesn that bibl unadulter truth and reaffirm belief held disagr christian resurrect christ question purpos thi post toma battl won not even fought field reveal man folli and despair and victori illus philosoph and fool william faulkner
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola write rais religi atmospher and attend year religi educ institut bibl can recogn passag memori stuff delet for breviti christian infecti cult reason flourish peopl hope driven purpos life safeti blank hide wow follow thi christian moral standard and etern happi for you found jeezu you brink your start point wrong christian not base moral standard for grace you save faith not work that man boast eph you that you bibl and can recogn you mean recit passag memori that passag that you pai attent titu and jame obedi moral law impor suppos result turn your life christ and christian mean start point virgilio dean velasco depart electr eng and appli physic cwru graduat student roboticist train and wannabe bullwinkl that man intimid refere boss not doesn jewish carpent
soc.religion.christian	prophet warn york citi note repli messag soc religion christian evenson thoma randal wrote messag bring ask open question bibl close book scriptur for god told thi and jesu told that interest note that call propheci noth inspir translat scriptur call that propheci mislead you want read charismat chao john macarthur discuss exactli thi queation word simplifi posit basic that decid import experi scriptur peopl tend scriptur live that feel propheci etc put across test light scriptur lot thi worthwhil read whether you charismat not groetni cheer deon time internet deon strydom fidonet org catalyst bb port elizabeth south africa catp alt hst bi hst
soc.religion.christian	ethic freedom parent that you bear describ situat plagu divorc father chanc that weekend daughter fallen easter weekend thi year presbyterian had marri cathol woman decid that cathol morai indoctrin spous into faith confin and restrict due time had set date and marri christian church denomin year marriag not attend church daughter born year wife insist that baptis cathol thi wasn problem separ year wife ill diseas that affect mental capac confin mental ward for two month diagnos sinc treat effect word profession deem function member societi recuper wife embrac buddism influenc daughter substanti and primarili allow saturdai visit for number year thi period read bibl studi book daughter and awar christian heritag last fall divorc final year visciou divorc hear that time award visit right weekend that time start take daughter church quit not weekend thi attempt strengthen christian ethic and expos religi commun todai easter sundai daughter church time for communion daughter bread bodi christ left wine blood christ profess that young for wine ball bread hand and descret throw pew front feel thi slap face religion and afront religi heritag can constru break command you felt dishonor action daughter year and matur realiz action difficulti blame directli for religi teach mother swear discuss thi daughter made clear believ buddhism and not christian initi respons anger moder suggest faith christ celebr easter christma suggest never forc practic religi belief celebr holidai not want drive fold and will continu practic buddhism had choic for two dai fourteen want want embrac christian suggest you respons mail copi not regular reader thi newsgroup natur feel free post and hope you had happi easter drew drew watson system analysi encor comput corp dwatson encor custom servic
soc.religion.christian	revel hudson athena uga edu paul hudson write suggest that propheci somewhat cyclic can you elabor not exactli you mean suggest relat isaiah propheci birth christ virgin don cycl that propheci cyclic not word anoth exampl scriptur quot juda and bishoprick anoth anoth exampl that isaiah discipl appli christ hebrew children thou hast preterist view account for thi phenomenon doubl fulfil that not propheci had doubl fulfil isaiah propheci that thi happen occas not mean will occur regard propheci apostl quot and appli passag jesu act divin messeng and give inerr word god church that author todai apostol author that such and such propheci doubl fulfil imagri revel fit event centuri folli for and make appli event centuri tom albrecht
soc.religion.christian	easter name testament doubl standard moder thi replac for earlier clumsili word submiss topic submit minut ago distinguish etymolog mean word easter origin fact that not mean christian feast dai resurrect jesu christ mean word peopl understand mean and for cultur practic festiv easter possibl histor associ pagan festiv todai christian intend honor kind pagan goddess celebr easter nonsens thi word thi practic mean and even realiz word and practic don mean thing peopl thi basic semant linguist pai thing thi michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi easter specif english languag word us base passov resurrect celebr countri languag not english clh
soc.religion.christian	cathol liturgi problem cathol liturgi like continu for time problem nutshel thi liturgi symbol action word cathol that sign mass water bless vestment altar relic etc real that sprinkl water bestow real almost tangibl holi vestment real indic real sacr time point symbol that understood connect underli real refer thi kind think preclud analysi holi water not holi simpli holi modern western find extrem difficult educ mass symbol like sign action that repres grace replac sign concret term thi mean mass becom commerci for god grace real thing you can mess commerci you wouldn dare real thing coca cola attitud encourag liturgi workshop etc focus liturgi focus creat mean liturgi you can creat sign symbol come god heart deeper analysi dramat exampl thi shift understand treatment sacr speci consecr host and wine pita bread etc common come altar hand cover particl host sign grace thi isnt and issu cathol past distraught thi real desacr real symbol jesu bodi modern cathol liturgi caught thi epistemolog shift perfrom rite liturgomaniac priest and explain stop and start pretend thi not soul fill experi doesn btw that stuck witha huge amount two and chord ersatz folk music result mi analysi complic tune fact easier rememb simpl thi geniu weslei and anglican hymn writer taiz slightli suggest reject parish system doesn work for you search church liturgi prepar not explain exist citi thi not btw matter style music attitud church that count note that conserv liturgi hark back pre vatican dai not necessarili mean church will social conserv nyc can recommend corpu christi corpu christi conserv liturgi joseph greenwich villag modern clean larg gai oratorian church brooklyn beauti avoid anywher anytim church electr candl happi easter christo anest christo voskrezhn christ risen paul halsal halsal murrai fordham edu
soc.religion.christian	pantheism environment articl apr atho rutger edu steve hay fidonet org write realiz enter thi discuss late question wasn reagan appointe jame watt pentacost christian secretari interior problem deforest sinc live last dai and our last gener redwood terranc heath heath athena uga edu your comfort silenc act fight back talk back
soc.religion.christian	hell atterlep vela ac oakland edu cardin ximenez wrote talk christian complain hell you you heaven don heaven you heaven sinc isn heaven you not you point that heaven base faith you don heaven you hmmm peopl america time christ children die young etc step don hell will that hell etern death and seper god popular concept hell correct incorrect akin etern perpetu conscious atheist that die will die forev and never god fact that hell good number atheist noth bodili death simpli abus languag hell die understand that you turn hell into verb logic follow that anim hell you thi you want anim don opportun heaven thi doesn chang fact that hell die final death don claim whether not afterlif sort hell you describ final death and not etern perpetu conscious will true that will never moment awar exist assum hell and not heaven word never dead hmmm hell doesn wors earth hell etern hear peopl love ill and di not suffer heaven statement not suffer hell statement sound odd your definit hell true statement person hell not suffer grant wouldn wouldn consciou experi whatsoev you hell death etern thi lose mean dead person and that threat sort etern punish make sens forc expect consciou thi etern atheist that thirst for afterlif simpli product propaganda friend you want free gift ternal life understand that earli jew not afterlif can back thi combin surviv instinct anim share differ conscious and onc idea etern life drill into brain desir sort super surviv and lot wors heaven that comparison that matter that depend heaven god king and etern heaven consist give and prais king opt for hell read love account missionari convert eskimo christian book illus immort corliss lamont missionari start speak heaven seal heaven will hunt ask eskimo missionari group eskimo effect good your heaven hunt scram highli recommend book ioi account side immort coin that immort alan terlep incestu vituper oakland univers rochest atterlep vela ac oakland edu melissa eggertsen rush angel fear tread pax dana
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu caralv caralv auto trol carol alvin write vbv eeap cwru edu virgilio dean velasco write imo stowel miss point affirm absolut scriptur not arrog moralist god truth reveal truth word and hold preciou strateg import absolut stowel jump strang truth absolut don that necessarili follow truth absolut scriptur truth and absolut answer question perhap you can explain you determin part scriptur truth and truth absolut answer question scriptur true inspir god evid for thi claim discuss nauseum thi group similarli truth absolut absolut truth contradict term absolut true truth not true contradict term peopl claim that absolut world such statement terribl contradictori put you thi absolut shouldn conclud that statement absolut not absolut true contradict thi reason christian defi world claim that absolut univers consensu even evangel christian not mention rest christian biblic interpret peopl sometim disagre true thi not negat fact that absolut univers evangel christian profess truth man sin man salvat and jesu propiti for mankind sin name group that not profess statement cannot accur call evangel virgilio dean velasco depart electr eng and appli physic cwru graduat student roboticist train and wannabe bullwinkl that man intimid refere boss not doesn jewish carpent
soc.religion.christian	prodig son parabl prodig son not and isn immor person grace and love god peopl agre that younger son elder son simpli neg exampl thing think that earn father love that earn that entitl father tell that wrong track love for reason brother father son perform orient consist point will save grace onc christian want back earn and deserv you foolish begin spirit you attain your goal human effort gal niv stan armstrong religi studi dept saint mari univers halifax armstrong huski stmari att clyde watmath water dalc armstrng
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu emeri fluke john emeri write singl histor event that had biggest impact world centuri resurrect jesu time hotli contest topic jesu christ rise dead sinc eyewit longer live written account magnitud signific involv resurrect greatest event histori man greatest decept plai man massiv amount data delet john will not time rebut you point point will suggest current work will help your quest answer thi question john domin crossan professor religion paul univ cross that spoke harper and row pub latest work histor jesu life mediterranean jewish peasant harper and row pub two work burton mack professor testament claremont graduat school myth innoc fortress press and latest book lost gospel book and christian origin harper and row you start mack book and examin afterward that onc you that you will that your evid not sturdi you tire arguement you state assum eyewit account such not case mack and crossan and back randi
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu luomat alleg edu timothi luoma write articl apr atho rutger edu suppos you part christian consipraci peopl that christ had risen never mind stone burn aliv crucifixion talk scourg whip that us broken potteri metal bone and that find attach you stood face wall noth protect you scream agoni that your raw back torn you thi for lie and you had come hit you scream that lie beg for stop and that you swear your life that had lie stop flog beaten burn fed lion kill belief resurrect disappoint you idea resurrect can found host form religion antiqu problem not resurrect mediorc issu for tini fragment jewish popul saduce issu for real problem that christian pacifist and preach god state oper system divinit emperor monoth becom capit offens jew exempt thi and not evangelist christian vocal and gentil and danger and target persecut sinc christian rel powerless group made good scapegoat nero blame for burn rome not cloud issu resurrect randi agre you that christian not persecut specif believ resurrect belief that troubl depend belief resurrect jesu problem that altern great conspiraci common theori christian scholar that resurrect subject event effect delus clh
soc.religion.christian	etern hell hell moder write inclin read descript such lake fire indic annihil that minor view person view denomin that hold offici and sda can find refer didn lewi specul that hell state onc human soul
soc.religion.christian	summer program good decipleship train program min august end sept missionari program belong missionari allianc church oregon repli mail luom storm orst edu
soc.religion.christian	can sin block prayer mike boulder snsc unr edu mike mccormick write not honor wive can prayer hinder you husband likewis live your wive understand weaker vessel sinc woman and grant honor fellow heir grace life that your prayer not hinder peter interpret heard thi vers that refer sin physic abus wife husband physic stronger wife not permit us thi domin honor sister christ thi exampl specif sin that block prayer thi vers make kind husband decid god will for famili consult wife god reveal will husband and wife degre mutual decis make even understand bibl lead belief authoritarian headship husband incorpor thi order function famili that god speak wife husband and husband wife jayn kulikauska jayn mmalt guild org
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart eric damien present view christian respond point articl apr atho rutger edu gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola write firstli atheist not post immatur flame start express opinion intend audienc strong opinion start human anim due advanc mental facil develop religion satisfi solut explain unexplain for exampl ancient greek believ that apollo drove chariot across sky each dai real due advanc technolog thi fals thi valid object religion explan natur fortun for conveni believ class question that can never reduc natur scienc for exampl univers exist time space world didn exist exist and for person man come into pure imperson cosmo question real mysteri life creation world and person provid perman indic that mean life materi world can found that world sourc anim sleep food and reproduc and die religion christian noth drug peopl us drug escap realiti christian inject jeezu and live that high you that man anim that you present unprov statement dogma you will and requir kind faith take such hard line your atheism you stumbl into religion your you write christian phoni and shallow hope you research into histori and varieti perhap read paul johnson histori christian your remark that you expos type christian religion and not even atheist faith man that movement year depth and anim endur valu wish richard aquina chonak norri mit edu usenet addict intp exclus and nuanc opinion licens info request
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu dleonar andi bgsu edu pixi write pardon humbl atheist exactli differ hold reveal truth blind faith basi evid that you find contrari absolut truth fulli expect peopl you and arrog sound and wisdom whatsoev your word not surpris that you wisdom that your premis wrong word you claim that christian base blind faith thi simpli not current thread evid for jesu resurrect for evid that jesu real and that triumph death you that christian hold belief evid that you find contrari evid support your claim thi statement hominem argument mind you don mean thi person attack point intellectu dishonesti condemn christian thi fashion make sens you prove that christian base belief empti noth and that ignor evid contrari can you expect your attack make sens virgilio dean velasco depart electr eng and appli physic cwru graduat student roboticist train and wannabe bullwinkl that man intimid refere boss not doesn jewish carpent
soc.religion.christian	propheci nyc marka travi csd harri mark ashlei write soc religion christian you write david wilkerson propheci not real credibl rememb book wrote call vision that made predict that peopl bought gold hurt financi time gold half that thi predict stuck mind lot peopl work bui gold note that type predict not requir god made expert field can predict thing base experi bewar predict volcano will erupt tomorrow don follow preacher such statement that come true note that describ hypothet death friend result passion for fast motorcycl mother predict die father make good monei hobbi and depend final outcom situat end mention that relev reader road will impress that mother father had predict accur event casual statement final prophesi note that prophesi that can fulfil peopl fool believ bewar termin will unexpectedli shut and sec turn come anoth room and predict similar situat aris establish jewish state press for promin jew argu that predict that state and that time come read thi can sourc you can thi case establish state not fulfil prophesi sinc prophesi us order push for establish state decid trueli fulfil prophesi tricki leo mother want save marriag leonida hepi dai god that didn pre marit sex never born premarit lhep uhura sex beauti choic greg week rochest edu
soc.religion.christian	rfd soc religion islam ahmadiyya moder dear netter religi newsgroup soc religion islam ahmadiyya pro pose oct discuss thi propos newsgroup relat group propos suppos enter vote last week novemb due fals call for vote oppon vote had cancel quot statement moder announc newgroup current call for vote cfv for ahmadiyya newsgroup cancel call for vote will issu week possibl imparti vote taker discu sion propos open vote call lawrenc nov lot confus aros netter vote decid give cool period that confus month that instant and attempt creat thi newsgroup fresh rfd herebi issu part discuss titl head and new group cross post new group request for discuss name propos newsgroup soc religion islam ahmadiyya charter religi newsgroup discuss lief teach philosophi and ideolog major reli gion world exist foster religi knowledg and understand follow religion share common basi thi newsgroup will devot build peac mutual understand ahmadiyya branch islam peaceful belief ideolog and philosophi and branch islam foster world peac and develop understand religi peopl us post import religi event world wide ahmadiyya islam commun gener purpos group main purpos thi group will achiev discuss common belief major religion relat ahmadiyya muslim commun discuss doctrin origin and teach thi puissant spiritu forc earth iii examin islam teach and belief gener light quran and establish islam tradit centuri ahmadiyya perspect discuss similar ahmadi muslim and peopl religion world and discuss religi toler and respect faith can brought elimin inter religion rivalri and hatr peopl religion discuss origin and teach religion gener and islam and ahmadiyya muslim foster understand ahmadi muslim and religi peopl discuss current world problem and solut problem offer religion vii exchang import new and view ahmadiyya muslim commun and religion viii add divers religi newsgroup present usenet discuss religi persecut rise world and find solut remedi deter iorat situat world gener and islam world discuss contribut founder reli gion and peopl for human societi and world peac gener and intern ahmadiyya mu lim commun type group will moder for orderli and free religi dialo gue moder will not prevent disagr dissent belief will us prevent derogatori squalid us dialect and irrelev issu moder decid person mail and gener consensu propon discuss new group moder propos and agre moder nabeel rana rana rintintin colorado edu moder tahir ijaz ijaz ccu umanitoba descript ahmadiyya islam ahmadiyya movement islam intern organi sation founder qadian india founder thi sect hazrat mirza ghulam ahmad proclaim promis reform thi ag foretold almost major religion world todai islam christian judiasm hin duism claim long await second com jesu christ metaphor muslim mahdi and promis messiah claim that propheci contain almost great religion world advent messeng god fulfil claim hazrat ahmad rais storm hostil and extrem oposit priestlik peopl muslim chri tian jew and hindu that ag such opposit wit ness histori divin reform even todai thi sect persecut special muslim regim dispit opposit and persecut thi sect won adher countri million follow come divers ethnic and cultur background sect devot world peac and bring understand religion and founder reli gion mission unit mankind into univers broth erhood and develop understand faith ahmadi muslim oppos kind violenc and spe cialli religi intoller and fundament philanthrop activ sect tablish network hundr school hospit and clin ic world countri institut staf volunt profession and fulli financ sect intern resourc ahmadiyya mission bring univers moral reform establish peac and justic and unit mankind univers religion newsgroup creation call for vote call discuss will offici end vote will held for week group get major and creat vote don creat vote group creat question comment includ discuss directli rana rintintin colorado edu
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian previou articl dleonar andi bgsu edu pixi word question author mean you defi theist repli despit mother told accept dare you care you mean question author liter nonsens that authorat authorat and question word thi author ridicul open question isn author hand perfectli reason question whether author catch phrase authent author onc you authent your author you you not treat author difficulti that authent author not easi you can perhap discredit claim author show logic inconsist teach show that not obei rule discours fact that cannot discredit not inself accredit fact that can convinc and that discredit necessarilli mean that fals cannot accredit author independantli verifi teach can independantli verifi teach don author author inform cannot for authent author mean examin teach practic matter accept kind author don time rediscov fundament knowledg for ourselv scientist wore todai assum author scintif commun sort knowledg work not time verifi for spiritu matter accept author direct sourc ofinform select author base criteria cathol part histor claim church strongest author subject matter for belief simpli made for ourselv atheist posit that author thi reason assert lead practic difficulti you reject author hand you reject possibl receiv inform atheist posit can never possibl chang falsifi and unscintif demand scintif ration proof god exist deni god exist sinc scienc reason can natur prove mark baker task not cut jungl freenet carleton irrig desert lewi
soc.religion.christian	pantheism environment articl apr atho rutger edu heath athena uga edu terranc heath write realiz enter thi discuss late question wasn reagan appointe jame watt pentacost christian secretari interior problem deforest sinc live last dai and our last gener redwood heard thing confirm that alarm you bibl that second come will place michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	god love you davem bnr dave mielk write god love qualifi bibl wick abomin lord loveth that followeth righteous proverb for lord knoweth righteou ungodli perish psalm extrem uncomfort thi phrase god love uncondit unqualifi unfathom capabl reject god love never fail love vers not show that god love qualifi that oppos evil uncomfort tract gener innappropri emphasi hell god deserv love and worship not idea frighten peopl into accept christ evangel combin live that show god love put into word and explain that love preach gospel live gospel noisi gong clang cymbal question you christian you afraid hell respond god love jayn kulikauska jayn mmalt guild org
soc.religion.christian	qualiti cathol liturgi jemurrai magnu ac ohio state edu john murrai write opinion netter subject that bother wife and liturgi cathol liturgi last year that and hoc event mass drive crazi grace fill aspect liturg tradit that happen togeth led priest make kind dialogu present god mass participatori prayer hand advantag liturgi stai john describ hand peopl start tune word and pai attent thing chang innov priest and liturgi committe attent and make thing meaning for drive crazi peopl differ prefer and liturgi local parish innov prefer mass parish sometim don option attend mass style suit john put smilei offer solut relat issu that sound john not deal that spous liturg tast husband innov lituri challeng meet spiritu separ wai you includ factor satisfi children thing pretti complic thing rememb that even uncongeni mass mass jayn kulikauska jayn mmalt guild org
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola write firstli atheist not post immatur flame start express opinion intend audienc delet anim sleep food and reproduc and die glad that not atheist tragic that peopl choos meaningless exist terribl live fear death life feel for eric and attempt share joi life consid evid infecti natur christian christian free human person love choos and creat will live forev god christ not kind drug drug replac for christ empti spot god shape hole heart eas pain thi effect substanc abus recoveri program involv meet peopl spiritu you eric for your post help god bless hope that you will somedai joi fill and abund life jayn kulikauska jayn mmalt guild org
soc.religion.christian	lent suffer save stori relat apparit approv church worthi belief happen sall franc moral lesson stori lamb god sacrif and blood us cleans sin moment god perceiv worthi heaven mari weep for lamb and for rest offspr thi will continu disobei god sin mari messeng task make awar evil serpent commun war famin unfaith disobedi god etc run rest offspr children astrai disobedi led dragon brought back peac and love messag repar for sin obei god command and worthi presenc lamb conceiv sin worthi bear son god womb mari prepar church bodi christ for second come make protect dragon prepar eden revers deed ancient ev eden will sanctuari righteou judg christ come relat stori thi and mari apparit centuri appear two children goat and cow forgot exact place weep and tell children that afraid lose son arm mourn for townfolk fault that drought harvest not good food thi year last year mari tell children townfolk thi place work week even sundai church honor god townfolk swear and son name bad word that son arm heavi pain ask prai children ask prai morn and night children back work had thi new spred and thorough investig incid townfolk convert and faith and obedi god restor commun onc lamb succe marida spread god word action mother teresa
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart norri athena mit edu write thi valid object religion explan natur fortun for conveni believ class question that can never reduc natur scienc for exampl univers exist thi you assum god that exist exist question revers can assum univers exist you assum god exist univers time space world didn exist exist and for person man come into pure imperson cosmo question real mysteri life creation world and person provid perman indic that mean life materi world can found that world sourc that dai man not can creat life can creat man don thi happen lifetim assert probabl possibl scientist work hard decod genet code perhap cure diseas genet variat divin prupos man exist you that man anim that you present unprov statement dogma you will and requir kind faith take such hard line your atheism you stumbl into religion your can man fall into mammal catagori man soul find evid such man mammal babi born live mother milk warm blood etc mammal and similar genet construct primat for thi check talk origin you write christian phoni and shallow hope you research into histori and varieti perhap read paul johnson histori christian your remark that you expos type christian religion and not even atheist faith man that movement year depth and anim endur valu buddhism confucian taoism hinduism judaism zoeraster shintoism and islam fit thi bit logic quit nice depth endur valu true stephen atheist libertarian pro individu pro respons and that jazz
soc.religion.christian	weird earli christian halsal murrai fordham edu paul halsal write recent read peter brown bodi and societi research and written rais upset question earli christian weird even todai carzi fundi had odd view sex odder view bodi total ludicr view demon and distinctli uncharit view human be last heard print reprint read barbara hambl search hill histor fiction set rome time earli church captur weird earli christian and glimps holi odd view make lot sens context societi live found remark posit view christian that author not christian anoth that each chapter begin origin sourc quot that make good start point for research jayn kulikauska jayn mmalt guild org
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu dleonar andi bgsu edu pixi wrote articl apr atho rutger edu vbv eeap cwru edu virgilio dean velasco wrote affirm absolut scriptur not arrog moralist god truth reveal truth word and hold preciou strateg import absolut pardon humbl atheist exactli differ hold reveal truth blind faith basi evid that you find contrari absolut truth fulli expect peopl you and arrog you bother check good dictioanri thesauru you will find that arrog offens exhibit presum real superior paraphras webster arrognac pride and haughti person can absolut truth even blindli that mean obnoxi person can humbl author question defi theist repli athiest and quit arrog arrog not you you relat you and you present your overwhelm experi christian that arrog apologoz for and behalf offfend you experi forum usenet you good mix peopl that arrog christian and athiest occur equal number phil hei talk phone compani phone compani doesn opinion thi kind stuff thi
soc.religion.christian	greek wordprocessor databas greek databas word processor that can thing count occurr word letter post thi for friend studi greek nico can you email seldom into usenet nowadai nicodemu chan raffl hall nu kent ridg cre depart inform system singapor tel comput scienc hometown address nation univers singapor nanyang estat jinjang north kent ridg crescent kuala lumpur malaysia singapor mail isc nusunix nu channico isc nu call and will answer you and show thee great and unsearch thing you not jeremiah
soc.religion.christian	rise mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write displai dead bodi jesu even jewish and roman author gain lot discredit christian told gospel that pharise and scribe bribe roman soldier that dicipl stole bodi night good excus for jewish and roman object that dai clator lbutler hubcap clemson edu
soc.religion.christian	johnni hart comic strip mail address subject pretti for johnni hart creator comic stip mail address for you haven strip for good fridai and easter sundai remark wit can touch contact paper that carri strip and back for your dave arndt peter evangel lutheran church peter darndt nic gac edu
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu mhsu lonestar utsa edu melinda hsu write belief that faith total truth belief come bibl and bibl word god and god truth truth thi stanc make difficult discuss faith and hesit christian truth faith aris will choic that choic part faith and part reason choic discuss christian remind schoolyard discuss grade school kid policemen jerk you daddi told you you daddi argument stop end aren kid grope for truth author declar belief fals find thi argument strang not unfamiliar analog us back can perhap illustr for exampl peopl live volcan island and group geologist determin that volcano immin warn peopl island that danger and leav group peopl island task warn danger danger real not that mean that group necessarili arrog warn danger mean that that belief correct and fals react opposit arrog and behav arrog manner that person idiocyncraci not necessarili mean that arrog steve hay depart missiolog editori depart univ south africa box pretoria south africa internet hayesstw risc unisa steve hay fidonet org stephen hay fidonet org
soc.religion.christian	convers apr environment and pagan user michael covington aisun write christian devot bit effort bash pagan and figur present gospel pagan christ answer pagan lot question unlik materialist deni for spiritu and answer question turn christian case religion whai you presum lectur david hunt
soc.religion.christian	god love you simpli dave mielk dave bnr for share tract god love and great sourc comfort carol bocher
soc.religion.christian	qualiti cathol liturgi articl apr atho rutger edu jemurrai magnu ac ohio state edu john murrai write exampl last sundai palm sundai local church palm sundai congreg particip read passion take role mob theologi thi profound crucifi mean and back todai chill last week invit sit gospel passion and listen orwellian invit palm sundai parish invit role jesu passion declin particip last year liturgi meet point crucifi christ sin that retain role crowd avail musician reader and thing introduc liturgi and sinc happen thing explain and pretti lot mass sit listen space case mass mind lai blame liturgi committe made lai expert that not that liturgi committe bia noth that fact bureaucrat life even simpler liturgi fact make easier for peopl awar lord presenc member liturgi committe can you that problem peopl domin want kind innov priest don even want make decis case guess easier refus parish holi thursdai priest wash feet peopl feet priest congreg invit come and wash anoth hand symbol thi action distress and refus particip thought that come rubric for thi liturg action bodi christ amen for receiv communion that not respons for blood thi man for part eucharist prayer bless you god creation substitut text read lai coupl priest not thi part mass and disturb that declin receiv communion that night aren requir offer prayer for priest and parish wonder oddbal qualiti mass don mean that faceti mass thursdai fridai and remind power simpl liturgi make awar god presenc obligatori sundai mass offer notic declin congreg particip cathol mass qualiti mass not chang celebr rubric set church liturg beauti problem come peopl creativ not answer your question particip that father peter stravinska answer question pose titl thoma dai cathol can sing don want thi nonsens for cathol read thi problem not reflect bad liturgi cathol church disobedi church chang author steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	certainti and arrog dean velasco quot letter jame stowel presid moodi bibl institut dai dry cleaner and radio plai caught attent talk show guest critic evangel christian absolut and absolut affirm absolut scriptur not arrog moralist god truth reveal truth word and hold preciou strateg import absolut lot discuss hit exactli critic arrog aim arrog attack that absolut short evangel claim that infal matter religi text problem epistemolog shorthand you can epistemolog you that question turn troubl problem absolut certainti that bottom think insid your head you can that happen your head infal reason you discov sourc truth question and that mean you not absolut justif for your sourc author mean you not absolut certainti specif exampl biblic inerr and fiction inerrantist name zeke argument appli idea papal infal zeke presum spent time studi bibl and histori and topic conclud base studi and possibl religi experi that bibl sourc absolut truth correct even cannot that correct conclus depend studi histori made mistak and refer us contain mistak conclus depend studi bibl made mistak conclus depend reason and made mistak notic common thread studi world that that happen head limit think matter and cover mistak can never infal long part belief base reason that belief cannot consid absolut zeke believ that found sourc absolut truth that belief good qualiti search made for can that reason flawless conclus doubt belief that you hold absolut sourc truth depend part your think loop infal thinker can absolut certainti belief thi easi demonstr back shorthand method epistemolog you imagin hypothet discuss bibl sourc absolut truth you studi histori and bibl and religi write and church teach and thi conclus you you studi histori correctli doubl check you you doubl check correctli compar answer smart peopl and agre smart gui believ that doesn mean true you studi correctli and you will eventu point can prove that mistak and long you made mistak you cannot absolut loop thi arrog christian aris peopl that person research can give absolut certainti doctrin christian implicitli claim that infal and that possibl mistak claim that you cannot made mistak and that your think led you flawless conclus pretti arrog peopl want thi argument explain great detail find infal church georg salmon attack idea that pope can knowabl infal and gener argument appli equal idea that bibl knowabl inerr darren provin kilroi gboro rowan edu core found belief li belief that unfound ludwig wittgenstein
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian vbv eeap cwru edu virgilio dean velasco write articl apr atho rutger edu caralv caralv auto trol carol alvin write truth absolut scriptur truth and absolut answer question perhap you can explain you determin part scriptur truth and truth absolut answer question perhap definit absolut absolut that constant across time cultur situat etc true instanc you agre thi definit you similarli truth absolut absolut truth contradict term absolut true truth not true contradict term simpl exampl testament don bibl work and can provid refer women instruct silent and cover head church thi scriptur your definit thi truth and absolut women your church speak cover head scriptur absolut truth that women speak and come church bare head intoler evangel women speak evangel church and come bare head thi case evangel church grew evangel not take thi part scriptur absolut truth and plenti exampl can you reconcil thi peopl claim that absolut world such statement terribl contradictori put you thi absolut shouldn conclud that statement absolut not absolut true contradict don claim that absolut and determin absolut difficult thi reason christian defi world claim that absolut univers consensu even evangel christian not mention rest christian biblic interpret peopl sometim disagre true thi not negat fact that absolut univers you claim that scriptur absolut can you determin absolut deriv scriptur you can agre interpret scriptur difficult you can claim base your interpret absolut you deni that your background educ prejudic etc come into plai you read bibl and determin interpret passsag you deni that you fact interpret carol alvin caralv auto trol
soc.religion.christian	prayer jesu name read biblic idiom speak name standard arama hebrew legal idiom for todai call power attornei person jesu cultur author conduct busi john name had full author john financi affair held solemn fiduciari oblig work for john benefit and conson john wish not requir for steward prefac each busi transact john name suffici valid power attornei and oper good faith note overlap legal and religi definit faith thi cultur background prai jesu name not mandat verbal formula requir that petition oper faithfulli and conscious analog fiduciari relationship jesu and for purpos kingdom messag prai jesu name close align parabl talent and passag god deleg kingdom busi steward resourc and respons thi idea prai jesu name not present promin lord prayer verbal forumula absent act prai word jesu name benefici clarifi relationship request advanc god kingdom for that reason not quit readi that prai formula mean prayer god for purpos desper anger thanksgiv etc don thi categori whether utter christian christian whether that for you don christ word contradict idea that god deal prayer omnisci and grace van kelli vek research att opinion and not
soc.religion.christian	natur god environment and pagan articl apr atho rutger edu mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write christian devot bit effort bash pagan and figur present gospel pagan christ answer pagan lot question unlik materialist deni for spiritu thing find interst pagan belief belief feminin deiti masculin deiti brought christian household wonder god father mother father mother unbalanc fortun person theologi will not fall into line lot recogn god gender and posess qualiti gender masculin and feminin forc sens balanc find sore lack theologi lack respons for lot unbalanc wai world and treat each terranc heath heath athena uga edu your comfort silenc act fight back talk back
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart disclaim thi post statement and question easili interpret sarcast not written thi repli even hand manner that can emot boil surfac written accept thi attempt foster dialog and rest assur that make attempt make fun gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola write firstli atheist not post immatur flame start express opinion intend audienc human anim due advanc mental facil develop religi satisfi solut explain unexplain hmmm anim thi planet advanc mental facil not develop religion satisfactori explain for unexplain thi appear that human explain unexplain thi anim thi planet includ advanc mental facil perfectli content ignor point that your presupposit scream your unsupport statement human anim religion exist crutch that unexplain not research religion made human address perceiv biolog aspect human deifi that aspect human life can categor hierarch structur biologi apex needless disagre your strong opinion and underli presupposit christian infecti cult reason flourish peopl hope driven purpos life safeti blank hide wow follow thi christian moral standard and etern happi for you found jeezu you brink disagre that christian infecti cult shown persist belief system spite persecut past two millenia that continu persever not demonstr that infecti derrogatori sens that workabl system for adher and argu that thi case disagre that christian safeti blanket supplant hope and purpos point individu sourc hope and purpos noth hidden christian sourc for hope and purpos us you distinct intern motiv hope and purpos and extern hope and purpos appar loss control life problem final not etern happi christian moral standard sole reason for exist christian standard inadequ save peopl imperfect moral standard guid christian real power moral live christian person god spirit heaven two final state that christian doctrin postul christian gener not motiv live christian moral standard thi promis futur reward motiv perceiv benefit and digress reason christian flourish infecti natur friend mine breifli enter christian group and month set ministri guidelin for basicali thi prioriti spread word christian organ concern evangel prioriti and rightli for jesu gave thi prioriti for follow not penultim prioriti evangel understood preach word convert cost repeat convert infinitum such evangel gener respect opinion demonstr real benefit christian lifestyl thi demonstr power that compel christian seek christian needless such demonstr not easili accom plish take radic committ person jesu not happen quickli persever part christian requir and cannot occur person bond friendship exist ineffect stranger cannot evalu demonstr time and easi alien harm sole purpos friend gain convers long time christian year view skep ticism evangel program incorpor hurri attitud pressur convers ultim wors convers pressur convert realiz coerc and disavow christian open futur had not advantag bibl state that spirit god bring convict wrong peopl content part wit and spirit rest anim sleep food and reproduc and die anim sleep eat reproduc and die anim true capabl thi your person vision human limit can hope and prai that you will somedai find expans view for reflect anim wide varieti perform art that human that human can learn languag human anim that anim cannot that human can organ social structur anim structur religion christian noth drug blatant assert christian not physic addict christian not psycholog addict christian not thing snort ingest shoot relationship live you validli character close knit relationship thi appel peopl us drug escap realiti christian inject jeezu and live that high jesu freak emot aspect worship and christian live gain and retain upper hand even thi not invalid foundat thing flow piti million live lost religi war christian had small part guilti associ that christian forc anoth not christian christian believ that person blind truth cannot realiz that live thi mask fake each dai jesu prophet happen larg influenc that time roman circa dispers jewish popul and commun need sort cohes element strong that time dire you amaz certainti happen year ago you come cannot accept your conclus that jesu influenc sole result roman sack jerusalem year thi time strain bound credul assert that noth jesu life noteworthi sack thought christian christian relationship jesu christ you read world wrong phil buckland and that deceiv psb eec ksu edu tagor strai bird psb matt ksu ksu edu
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu reedr cgsvax claremont edu write real problem that christian pacifist and preach god state oper system divinit emperor monoth becom capit offens jew exempt thi and not evangelist disagre your claim that jew not evangelist narrow sens word jewish proselyt widespread numer account jewish proselyt testament and roman and greek document dai jim eggertj atc mit edu jim eggert
soc.religion.christian	question newbi concept god teacher interest grade curv cheat that interest not mention thought provok concept that father and children that love love that can never understand bibl that heart final measur that perspect grade context heart final test specif christian agre that heaven and hell that perspect heaven hell you grade pass fail basi god father intervent jesu son not for god see heart bibl heart can and unchang method that make relationship christ secur uncertain and chang landscap yesterdai todai and tomorrow whether not childhood considerd part test convict that case wouldn heaven bibl speak plainli love and care jesu had for and children realiti that children bigger bodi and grei hair father father father for deciplin love sometim christian test make and doesn pass heaven and don place that expert travel for light and home prai that can bring
soc.religion.christian	etern hell hell vic mmalt guild org vic kulikauska write moder write inclin read descript such lake fire indic annihil that minor view person view denomin that hold offici and sda can find refer didn lewi specul that hell state onc human soul that thi notion that god take sort pleasur punish peopl purpos hell destroi devil and angel earlier poster support etern hell theori fact that fallen angel not destroi rememb bibl teach that god reserv dai judgement judgement come suggest thi etern hell theori provid biblic evid can find for stai human theori and into account refer bibl dariu
soc.religion.christian	ancient book articl apr atho rutger edu atterlep vela ac oakland edu cardin ximenez write don convinc atheist valid christian argument foster faith and understand god wrong atheist led christian argument thi excel question and anxiou such case doubt mediev period esp cent aquina flourish argument tool knew rule todai you can count peopl know even basic logic rhetor good argument indistinguish poor perenni gripe ken miner kuhub ukan edu can explain opinion chesterton
soc.religion.christian	sspx schism hope you had bless easter document refut notion that sspx societi saint piu schism that legitim excommun interest read truth thi matter email and send document email page long wont post new group titl schismat excommun thi articl origin english translat societi saint piu ireland french journal courrier rome french articl turn translat italian roman newslett thi booklet contain transcript minor edit irish articl and transcrib and produc john clai townsvil queensland australia copyright attach simon shield content schismat excommun cathol rack choic sensu fidei ambigu church not bicephal two head person and function pope uniti faith and uniti communion criteria choic ecumen attack uniti church extraordinari situat church extraordinari duti lai peopl duti and power bishop fact greater duti fact greater power power and duti papaci elect bishop state and necess church real state necess for soul for seminarian ordinari mean exhaust act not intrins evil and resul limit effect requir author pope not put into question excommun conclus bibliographi god bless irish fairwel road rise meet you wind your back sun shine warm your face rain fall soft your field and meet god hold you palm hand simon shield programm viva cristo rei monash univers colleg gippsland jh switchback churchil fax australia internet simon giaec monash edu
soc.religion.christian	easter name testament doubl stan seanna bnr seanna watson ask object celebr easter object natur you phrase easter eashtar ishtar ishtarti spell pagan whore goddess fertil your question object celebr pagan whore goddess phrase that suspect hope that becom immeadi appar object celebr celebr resurrect jesu you think perhap ressurect sundai not crazi word sundai thi phrase envok name whore goddess for that matter stai biblic and call omar rasheet feast fruit torah command that thi observ dai sabbath passov week sundai name modern parlanc object observ resurrect dai week occur jump calendar easter not sundai passov bibl seek unbibl method don recal command scriptur for celebr resurrect sole and reason that christian not celebr thi question easter whore goddess for celebr resurrect that whore discuss name problem suggest that concern etymolog lot word drop termin peopl ottawa want dictionari alter that neg definit associ word black not offend peopl colour heard your newspap speak repav street afro canadiantop grin blacktop sound short person hope will remov definit curt surli associ physic descript fine and left hand peopl sinist and gauch will object that quarter quebec french word for celebr resurrect que thi etymolog relat pesach passov and pascal lamb french canadian roman cathol celebr name that sound think that phrase sound wors thi infer that rule for christian jewish descent happen jew greek slave free male femal for christ jesu read letter philemon philemon slave return rule slave philemon male and femal rule that appli male and femal can adam and steve marri each your congreg differ form and function come salvat messiah remain matter posit life gener not favor continu thi discuss repetit thi point that object not holidai name suggest that peopl carefulli thi argument word chang mean time dai week origin base pagan god christian prefer refer dai second dai etc major christian not persuad question whether make differ dictionari show deriv word peopl mean and us suggest that post thi danger suppos peopl gener us easter mean celebr christ resurrect post convinc that mean celebr honor godess run risk creat exactli situat that claim oppos creat linkag peopl mind celebr and pagan goddess not clear that thi healthi thing clh
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soc.religion.christian	easter not deriv ishtar recent post identifi english word easter babylonian goddess ishtar easter pagan word noth ishtar easter and ishtar relat histori show english easter eostr cognat english east and german ost reconstruct proto german form austron not easter high front vowel ishtar two word quit separ origin neo pagan worship ishtar easter make mistak etymolog deliber plai word michael covington linguist michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	easter name testament doubl stan daniel segard dsegard nyx edu wrote lot stuff delet for that matter stai biblic and call omar rasheet feast fruit torah command that thi observ dai sabbath passov week sundai name modern parlanc object observ resurrect dai week occur jump calendar easter not sundai passov bibl seek unbibl method fact that reason easter jump calendar passsov lunar holidai not solar and fall wide span time time that easter not fall passov easter link vernal equinox begin spring delet thi question easter whore goddess for celebr resurrect that whore discuss your obsess term whore cloud your argument whore judgement not descript term delet thi argument illustr etymolog fallaci louw semant greek that idea that true mean word li origin and linguist form fact experi demonstr that mean word bound us not modern peopl make connect whatsoev easter and ishtar daniel seagard for that mean that highli idiosyncrat mean and not that refut revdak netcom
soc.religion.christian	rebuild templ chuck petch write appear that noth stand rebuild and resum sacrific scriptur will happen last dai isra govern will give permiss start hand god hold project readi happen brother and sister time hand redempt draw scriptur levit priesthood resum jew can legitim prove levit bloodlin todd steven tcsteven iaserv ingr
soc.religion.christian	easter name testament doubl stan articl apr atho rutger edu dsegard nyx edu daniel segard write seanna bnr seanna watson ask object celebr easter object natur you phrase easter eashtar ishtar ishtarti spell pagan whore goddess fertil celebr resurrect jesu you think perhap ressurect sundai tsk tsk argument issu roman cathol and that peopl celebr easter and christma for relat jesu don care dieti peopl definit easter that busi don interfer easter resurrect sundai that come peopl celebr easter for cadburri bunni that busi thi infer that rule for christian jewish descent happen jew greek slave free male femal for christ jesu curiou thi jesu import jew thought thought prophet that true celebr easter for
soc.religion.christian	mysteri paradox for book that specif address mysteri god paradox read that touch subject chapter detail read awar book that deal thi subject mail barbara
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey your opinion thi exactli engag coupl becom marri god ey that two public announc plan marri made vow god and unswervingli commit anoth realiz thi subject qualifi marri join god sight suppos unabl altar current time pure logist reason control you thi post mail gener respons you clarif ask mail and god bless robert anderson iii randerso acad sah uth tmc edu
soc.religion.christian	proof resurect minor problem articl post proof christ resurrect scriptur quotat thi sort reason such that you beleiv you justifi not your beleif vain you beleiv quotat peopl beleiv peopl justifi posit second logic proof quot text yfn ysu edu famili magazin sysop subject wit proof christ resurrect date apr gmt delet centuri bodi produc refut jesu assert that rise dead probabl perpetr such hoax successfulli entir world for centuri astronom neg end quot text period time that elaps event grow larger not increas odd that hoax discov fact longer hoax perpetu stronger becom final proof resurrect christ spirit communion and father matter faith belief logic proof inced largest stumbl block for ration western man includ hope that thi spirit intend and not reject resurrect occur beleiv want point weak logic proof
soc.religion.christian	lent suffer save correct stori relat apparit approv church worthi belief happen sall franc that salett franc admit geographi not fort onc lamb succe marida spread god word action mother teresa
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu caralv caralv auto trol carol alvin write vbv eeap cwru edu virgilio dean velasco write articl apr atho rutger edu caralv caralv auto trol carol alvin write truth absolut scriptur truth and absolut answer question perhap you can explain you determin part scriptur truth and truth absolut answer question perhap definit absolut absolut that constant across time cultur situat etc true instanc you agre thi definit you similarli truth absolut absolut truth contradict term absolut true truth not true contradict term agre your definit us term decept admit simpl exampl testament don bibl work and can provid refer women instruct silent and cover head church thi scriptur your definit thi truth and absolut hold that scriptur true discern exactli jesu paul and compani not easi don that paul that women behav that that circumst time women speak avoid volubl and cover head thi maintain proper wit rememb that number relativist statement can deriv absolut for instanc absolut for christian strive for peac thi not rule maintain world peac resort violenc occas opinion evangel not take thi part scriptur absolut truth and plenti exampl can you reconcil thi bibl preach absolut truth exactli truth sometim matter confus bibl preach absolut truth sometim fundament principl crystal clear evangel sometim not clear baptism full immers not etc that larg sometim not explicitli spell whether writer speak cultur christian thi scholarship and studi biblic context come difficult you can claim base your interpret absolut god reveal truth world word utterli unavoid that peopl whill come altern interpret practic can misinterpret come matter and wrong care deni that virgilio dean velasco depart electr eng and appli physic cwru graduat student roboticist train and wannabe bullwinkl that man intimid refere boss not doesn jewish carpent
soc.religion.christian	etern hell hell andrew cmu edu andrew byler write and that imposs destroi soul hmmm food for thought fear can destroi soul and bodi gehenna math jack
soc.religion.christian	for jew quot year ago grab net thi newsgroup sourc for whether thi accur quot bartlett leav homosexu line group nazi extermin germani for communist and didn speak wasn communist for jew and didn speak wasn jew for trade unionist and didn speak wasn trade unionist for homosexu and didn speak wasn homosexu for cathol and didn speak protest for that time left speak pastor martin neimol
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart articl atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org jayn kulikauska write gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola write firstli atheist not post immatur flame start express opinion intend audienc delet anim sleep food and reproduc and die don meant defend eric mola find somewhat annoi pop alt atheism atheist belief can christian annoi point thing glad that not atheist tragic that peopl choos meaningless exist mean god not mean atheist point view you want mean your life you and make free gift mean never quit understood god can give your life mean you exist that you purpos you care accept that thing digress terribl live fear death life thi trueli miser exist doubt eric endur life can enjoy you can live you purposeful you can live endeavour make not you terribl feel for eric and attempt share joi life consid evid infecti natur christian true remeb almost see that joi illus and not want isn bad christian free human person love choos and creat atheist free human person love choos and creat will live forev god begin diverg will not live forev don you will you your opinion matter christ not kind drug tend agre you opinion that unlik drug religion normal part human societi outliv useful evid quit ordinari normal thing that haven prove lethal human drug replac for christ empti spot god shape hole heart eas pain heard thi claim quit time god shape hole busi thi effect substanc abus recoveri program involv meet peopl spiritu you want provid evid time you make claim thi you eric for your post help god bless hope that you will somedai joi fill and abund life don eric not wise assum joi fill and abund life hold belief dan johnson and god jeez thi dull and dull genesi opinion show
soc.religion.christian	clarif easter respons lot email clarifi posit not favor pagan not favor easter bunni christian aspect easter present celebr incident easter egg not christian end lenten fast point distinguish intention worship pagan deiti and onc had pagan associ nowadai not understood intend such peopl accus illog claim that worship pagan deiti know worship matter intent cannot worship know that michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	prophet warn york citi start read group wonder post exactli prophet warn nyc suggest send email hold file case clh
soc.religion.christian	sex marriag talk recent latin rite earli church us bless sex union idea copi rite exist part notifi mail understand that similar ceremoni written slavon exist can find doesn matter whether latin rite origin translat prefer english version slavon rite exist advanc doug hay psu had question thi past sourc claim john boswel talk work public noth publish haven heard sourc anoth sourc wait for boswel public order talk clh
soc.religion.christian	etern hell hell dariu dariu lecoint dlecoint garnet acn fsu edu write dariu vic mmalt guild org vic kulikauska write dariu suggest thi etern dariu hell theori provid biblic evid can dariu find for stai human theori and dariu into account refer bibl topic thi good start matthew will etern punish righteou etern life post thi subject time case clear that fate damn unpleas and avoid david wagner sola scriptura confession lutheran suggest that discuss base singl quotat bad proce passag consist theori sensibl proce and can come view that encompass clh
soc.religion.christian	question that bee bother articl apr atho rutger edu atterlep vela ac oakland edu cardin ximenez write religi peopl threaten scienc systemat remov physic proof god exist time reli and faith and spiritu world relat god becuas scienc remov prop don thi bad thing resent your assumpt that you threaten scienc even that threaten admit reason threaten scienc noth for proof lord exist god reveal wai includ degre scienc problem scienc that assum for ourselv god endow abil produc life sexual relat for exampl not make that avail that mean that scienc can ride god decis alter that god will for power decid and not children men allow babi that made peopl had abil end live unnatur and abil bring live into world unnatur closest thing artifici creat life artifici creat death and god reserv judgement peopl die reli god wisdom peopl brought world thi not that reject form medic treatment treatment that allevi pain prevent pain occur perfectli accept accept for jesu cure sick treatment that prolong life for reason make unnecessari alter bodi for mere aesthet purpos not happi beauti god gave cannot draw solid line approv scientif studi and not will thi experi univers find secret want thi knowledg alter bodi themsel bodi not satisfactori cannot make gener rule that will cover case will that each person prai for guidanc unravel mysteri univers and ceas unravel reason search displeas god malcusco
soc.religion.christian	ancient book articl apr atho rutger edu miner kuhub ukan edu write atheist convert argument thi excel question and anxiou such case doubt mediev period esp cent aquina flourish argument tool knew rule todai you can count peopl know even basic logic rhetor good argument indistinguish poor last sentenc iron sinc reader soc religion christian not embarrass apologist such josh mcdowel and lewi express odd sens histori make you mass aquina dai illiter knew rhetor and logic peopl todai write period elev that cream crop speak read and write mediev period knew rule matter uncrit accept told bill mayn thi unfair lewi promin fallaci attribut liar lunat and lord quot christian thi logic fallaci origin context not clh
soc.religion.christian	pantheism environment articl apr atho rutger edu mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write articl apr atho rutger edu heath athena uga edu terranc heath write realiz enter thi discuss late question wasn reagan appointe jame watt pentacost christian secretari interior problem deforest sinc live last dai and our last gener redwood heard thing confirm that alarm you bibl that second come will place that you find will happen you rape sight
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu caralv caralv auto trol carol alvin write vbv eeap cwru edu virgilio dean velasco write articl apr atho rutger edu caralv caralv auto trol carol alvin write truth absolut scriptur truth and absolut answer question perhap definit absolut absolut that constant across time cultur situat etc true instanc you agre thi definit you similarli truth absolut absolut truth contradict term absolut true truth not true contradict term agre carol determin absolut practic speak wast time and easili forget that rel truth fact rel for exampl recent ask children question temperatur water boil answer degre consist ask knew scale and told degre scale that thermomet that sincer and true experi speaker simpli wrong not absolut truth similarli scriptur full truth nurtur and cherish determin part absolut truth and part manifest that context time and cultur text pen miss point religion easili becom intellectu head trip devoid live experi indwel triniti and becom dead scholastic imo exampl head cover church delet thi good exampl absolut truth write simplest understand passag that instruct appli corinthian and not necessarili instruct reflect absolut truth context centuri cultur and climat corinth lot troubl order absolut truth and compel even reason reason that evangel not take thi part scriptur absolut truth and plenti exampl can you reconcil thi even die hard literalist not bibl liter meet take vers bless take your babi and smash head rock liter bibl not print hand god color code part interpret peopl claim that absolut world such statement terribl contradictori put you thi absolut shouldn conclud that statement absolut not absolut true contradict don claim that absolut and determin absolut difficult agre and even knew person not express that that convei absolut truth anoth presenc absenc absolut not make differ sinc can never fulli apprehend absolut walk and greet consensu even evangel christian not mention rest christian biblic interpret peopl sometim disagre true thi not negat fact that absolut univers can prove exist absolut can reli experi trust god revel that cannot fulli comprehend infinit can comprehend absolut don can never essenc god energi and god manifest god creation realiti can that absolut practic import claim that origin scriptur autograph perfect copi not swell care doesn affect practic that god made lot electr blue chicken and that live mar god that effect deal neighbor god whether not thi that cafeteria for lunch thi attitud lead christian that christian arrog idiot incap critic reason christian true wonder and sensibl appeal reason sinc reason reflect logo god explan that violat that simpli insecur authoritarian respons complex world note not claim place for author that silli world differ authorit and authoritarian authorit express author that respect authoritarian express author that fail that and gener agress good parent god authorit christian simpli authoritarian and not surprisingli adult respond thi treatment larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu trajan cwi unomaha edu stephen mcintyr write norri athena mit edu write discuss begin univers exist thi you assum god that exist exist question revers can assum univers exist you assum god exist univers law natur and effect dictat thi layman mind causal event reason altern exist can law natur demand that isn true natur super natur that dai man not can creat life can creat man don thi happen lifetim assert probabl possibl scientist work hard decod genet code perhap cure diseas genet variat divin prupos man exist genet code will deciph lifetim will not man convert inert materi into sustain reproduc life never prophet can even pictur york mind don technolog produc that spark life despit part opinion you that man anim that you present unprov statement dogma you will and requir kind faith take such hard line your atheism you stumbl into religion your can man fall into mammal catagori that preposit sort preclud absolut doesn absolut conclus left word faith work nice man soul find evid such man mammal babi born live mother milk warm blood etc mammal and similar genet construct primat for thi check talk origin you write christian phoni and shallow hope you research into histori and varieti perhap read paul johnson histori christian your remark that you expos type christian religion and not even atheist faith man that movement year depth and anim endur valu buddhism confucian taoism hinduism judaism zoeraster shintoism and islam fit thi bit logic quit nice depth endur valu true equal scale and equal standard investig and discov god whether for denial god ultim statement faith falsifi exist for isn thi purpos religion discov and discoveri god you don mind send prayer your behalf your research you christ delud ourselv you noth worri king return jason jason smith jason atlastel not young
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian danger real not that mean that group necessarili arrog warn danger mean that that belief correct and fals react opposit arrog and behav arrog manner that person idiocyncraci not necessarili mean that arrog member group not necessarili arrog absolut that volcano will erupt expect chosen knowledg peopl determin that volcano will erupt absolut come religi discuss arrog naivet reflect type statement loui kim southwest research institut fax post offic drawer lkim swri edu san antonio compuserv
soc.religion.christian	sspx schism articl apr atho rutger edu simon giaeb monash edu simon shield write hope you had bless easter document refut notion that sspx societi saint piu schism that legitim excommun interest read truth thi matter email and send document email page long wont post new group interest select post net understand that sspx not schism legitim excommun that besid point roman cathol church excommun can real apart formal excommun provid for canon law orthodox don cinsid ourselv schismat excommun cathol church consid dissid thi inappropri for thi group charter ofm will larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell charter whether thi group discuss peopl concern not interest thi reinvok gener cathol protest polem don issu primarili specif cathol clh
soc.religion.christian	book can point good book dead sea scroll qumran advanc repli mail bassili arizona edu
soc.religion.christian	lazaru smell articl apr atho rutger edu rolf dsuvax dsu edu tim rolf write guess that lazaru come for sake crowd read morton smith jesu magician that lazaru wasn dead tomb part initi rite for magi cult jesu part appear that dai stai normal haven read that book anoth smith similar claim made jesu smith earli chrisitan found argument similar book holi blood holi grail build conjectur top conjectur direct evid you summar argument for happi you pai care attent natur evid clh
soc.religion.christian	question newbi jerri kaufman write bibl that heart final measur that perspect grade context heart final test true that life open book test
soc.religion.christian	pantheism environment articl apr atho rutger edu mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write articl apr atho rutger edu heath athena uga edu terranc heath write realiz enter thi discuss late question wasn reagan appointe jame watt pentacost christian secretari interior problem deforest sinc live last dai and our last gener redwood heard thing confirm that alarm you bibl that second come will place michael covington recal watt make comment thi effect quit year back and can cite specif recal that cecil andru secretari interior carter administr respond watt comment point stewardship role that god gave man record genesi make true conserv that conserv want conserv thing for long term societ benefit thi form conserv logic extend physic environ peopl live moral environ relat anoth and god imho watt stewardship statu not enhanc fact that serv board director for jim bakker organ time bakker commit crimin act eventu land bakker feder prison bob rgolder hoh mbl edu anoth baptist
soc.religion.christian	qualiti cathol liturgi articl apr atho rutger edu crep lateran uc indiana edu stephen crep write articl apr atho rutger edu jemurrai magnu ac ohio state edu john murrai write palm sundai parish invit role jesu passion declin particip last year liturgi meet point crucifi christ sin that retain role crowd avail musician reader and thing introduc liturgi and sinc happen thing explain and pretti lot mass sit listen space case mass mind lai blame liturgi committe made lai peopl awar lord presenc cathol and activ lutheran innov mass made leav cathol church and return tradit cathol chuch lutheran spent year lector read passion part cathol church and found meaning lutheran parish institut tenebra servic for good fridai and lector for paraphras passion except heard and learn thing that previous overlook gospel fact matter interest pastor and talk differ and lutheran church holi week breakfast easter sundai member liturgi committe can you that problem peopl domin want kind innov priest don even want make decis case guess easier refus wife member liturgi committe famili call music and worship church pastor control thi committe listen carefulli committe suggest strong hand lead and guid intent and messag clear and strong lent and rest liturg year addit reason for leav cathol faith lack selfless spiritu guidanc priest parish aka wishi washi you gather comment feel that import denomin guidelin servic mass promot true reason that gather quit comfort tradit mass receiv holi communion tongu sacrament penanc not reconcili station cross and reason type mass and parish exist feel not share want peopl attend church and find lord don want attend show not church work hard meaning servic lent wednesdai follow tradit lutheran book worship guidelin thing chang omit lent such hymn prais note that awar reason that not quit frankli hard for cathol mass and fit dear wife never methodist and holi week mass and vigil intimid daylight cathol cathol bear thi understand mean mind gather togeth worship not worri not wrong that you feel address mean talk your priest pastor met wouldn listen provid spiritu guidanc and us differ cathol church fundament decis chang faith prayer intervent and session priest and minist christ kershner kershner wyatt kwyatt ccscola columbiasc ncr opinion and aren necessarili employ
soc.religion.christian	mission aviat fellowship thi group and info appreci
soc.religion.christian	sda doctrin distinct articl mar atho rutger edu jodfish silver uc indiana edu joseph dale fisher write book provid sda entitl seventh dai adventist church believ that basic coverag idea that sda hold for info write onc actual titl and copyright date celia chan cmchan amber uc indiana edu introduc book add that not member sda anymor book call basic fundament belief close that number not copi home school tammi
soc.religion.christian	nation dai prayer immmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm join america prayer acknowledg depend god give for bless god guid leader and bring heal reconcili and ness nation and peopl hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm found father georg washington make earnest prayer that god pleas dispos justic love merci and demean ourselv chariti and humil and pacif temper mind characterist divin author bless religion and humbl imit exampl thing can never hope happi nation john adam felt that nation secur nation humbl acknowledg depend god and overrul provid abraham lincoln duti nation men depend overrul power god confess sin and transgress and recogn sublim truth announc holi scriptur and proven histori that nation bless god lord note you can join peopl your area observ nation dai prayer learn affili concert prayer group your area contact barri gar coordin box springdal arkansa voic fax
soc.religion.christian	christian atheism updat opinion matter hand advic heart not directli us friend found matter quit accid read mail quit mail reader busi trash mail improperli termin dai messag thought respons post alt atheism earlier that week read realiz that for messag dai apolog for read mail that not want snoop that will talk view didn mind friend chang mind chang mine that not point come come and that can prai for reason that click bash head christian tool for revolut not tool for maintain statu quo quit blunt reason reject god fact that african american femal christian religion us tool separ peopl true knowledg histori wealth contribut world societi kitchen heaven had forward slave dai thi mental second class statu exist todai reject aspect christian that estabish church hypocrici exist wall god hous begin imag white jesu that member prais god sundai rais hell begin mondai god will will find church home can feel comfort home don happen anytim sherlett
soc.religion.christian	sex educ moral question jen jenk microsoft ask creat child you aren good parent remind speech charact can rememb movi parenthood liber quotat mark tonight thi call speech charact express lousi father had and made interest point effect you licens drive car you licens dog you even licens fish kid mind that pass thi quot grossli distort you point mike matton
soc.religion.christian	natur god environment and pagan articl apr atho rutger edu heath athena uga edu terranc heath write fortun person theologi will not fall into line lot recogn god gender and posess qualiti gender masculin and feminin forc that not necessarili unorthodox christian call god father metaphor bibl place refer god mother god father mother liter sens god attribut father metaphor us for peopl time mislead two possibl michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	daili vers overcom will inherit thi and will god and will son revel
soc.religion.christian	certainti and arrog articl apr atho rutger edu kilroi gboro rowan edu nanci sweeti write dean velasco quot letter jame stowel presid moodi bibl institut affirm absolut scriptur not arrog moralist god truth reveal truth word and hold preciou strateg import absolut lot discuss hit exactli critic arrog aim lot stuff delet thi arrog christian aris peopl that person research can give absolut certainti doctrin christian implicitli claim that infal and that possibl mistak claim that you cannot made mistak and that your think led you flawless conclus pretti arrog agre darren add person observ arrog and problem not sens person certainti lack respect for come differ conclus thi not christian christian spectrum belief system christian not tend argu matter person faith aesthet not demonst object mean choos and reli import area person sovereignti bother suggest that matter faith specif belief not true absolut and bind follow thi that god give revel truth and come conclus intention choos wrong path thi arrog lack respect for honest conclus matter and god even person certainti leav room for belief univers matter person faith coupl proud notion that relationship god superior that lead arrog honest and nonunivers opinion darren provin kilroi gboro rowan edu core found belief li belief that unfound ludwig wittgenstein comment critic ken alvin ucsu colorado edu reason for humil abil truth path area practic clarif you mean you reject idea specif belief not true absolut and bind true true for assum that belief god histori etc form that for not xxx true for peopl and not suggest past that god concern doctrin agreement peopl that doesn mean doubt that differ true and fals that benefit find true clh
soc.religion.christian	easter name testament doubl stan mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write and for cultur practic festiv easter possibl histor associ pagan festiv todai christian intend honor kind pagan goddess celebr easter that argument compel not for ishtar egg and ishtar bunni mix pagan fertil symbol worship pagan goddess fertil biblic belief lost you drop word easter and replac such occur resurrect sundai you not show for servic call resurrect sundai servic easter servic
soc.religion.christian	can sin block prayer articl apr atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org jayn kulikauska write thi vers make kind husband decid god will for famili consult wife god reveal will husband and wife degre mutual decis make even understand bibl lead belief authoritarian headship husband incorpor thi order function famili that god speak wife husband and husband wife jayn kulikauska jayn mmalt guild org agre god make husband head hous sure can alon belov wife lord gave that hous god for beauti woman brought into life couldn lead wonder wife john emeri will prais you lord god heart emeri fluke will glorifi your name forev for great your love you deliv depth grave psalm
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu eggertj mose atc mit edu jim eggert write disagre your claim that jew not evangelist narrow sens word jewish proselyt widespread numer account jewish proselyt testament and roman and greek document dai jim feel free correct and give text can text vaug relat jewish evangel found sinc thi found cannot date make unuseful for understand second templ judaism randi
soc.religion.christian	accept jesu your heart stuff delet religion christian noth drug peopl us drug escap realiti christian inject jeezu and live that high your logic falti christian drug and onc die die you reluct embras thi drug that you aliv you enjoi question your motiv for post thi articl you wast your presiou few second thi earth post your opinon group that will gener reject you die never acept christ your savior hope you fantast life that you evver dream heaven you will christ love bryan
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian mhsu lonestar utsa edu melinda hsu write share thought thi topic arrog christian and forward respons encount christian find dismai belief that faith total truth belief come bibl and bibl word god and god truth truth thi stanc make difficult discuss faith and hesit christian truth faith aris will choic that choic part faith and part reason choic sort mystifi christian respond thi start parabl christian woman hire carpent build birdhous come begin talk religion you that you understand god ask repli build you birdhous don that melinda complain basi christian belief tendenc christian answer god gave thi simpli not case that bibl inerr human interpret bibl necessarili error human and imperfect rememb that make mistak faith and that human imperfect understand mind and will god claim peopl that exist bibl determin answer question claim that human can fulli understand god will thi hubri
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu dleonar andi bgsu edu pixi write word question author mean you defi theist repli for peopl insist question author chri mussack thi anoth exampl bite raw edg humor that appreci understood messi hair glass wink smile big chin
soc.religion.christian	ancient book articl apr atho rutger edu whheydt pbhya pacbel wilson heydt write for date oldest extant text you feel civil war coupl thousand year extant text written adjust for larg illiter popul and copi manuscript hand consider feel punic war peloponnesian war spell option almost event classic histori close event you oldest extent manuscript case steve schaffner sschaff unixhub slac stanford edu opinion express mine and not slac stanford univers doe
soc.religion.christian	onlin bibl bibl studi embark bibl studi act onlin bibl softwar background author topic articl and author peopl testament realibl articl onlin bibl softwar specif for your conveni want darbi translat never heard thi young liter translat never heard realiabl hebrew greek lexicon author denomin etc articl topic modul realiabl treasuri scriptur knowleg never heard comment scofield and johnson wrote scofield refer bibl and peopl testament realiabl strong number will happi receiv repli you qualifi that that not receiv rubbish letter want make wilfr ling name wilfr ling siew wee nation univers pore internet eng nusunix nu electr engin bitnet eng nusvm bitnet
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian dleonar andi bgsu edu pixi write unfaithfulli pixi you sincer that god exist you follow blindli word question author mean you defi theist repli don follow god blindli onc long ago question author such rabid point that found question author reject author unquestioningli question author time forev question fruitless eventu whether answer question whether author bibl thi case valid basic question author not necessarili mean reject author
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian carol alvin caralv caralv auto trol wrote testament don bibl work and can provid refer women instruct silent and cover head church thi scriptur your definit thi truth and absolut women your church speak cover head scriptur absolut truth that women speak and come church bare head intoler evangel women speak evangel church and come bare head thi case evangel church grew evangel not take thi part scriptur absolut truth and plenti exampl can you reconcil thi problem you that christian claim thing bibl don practic sort christian rang trendiest liber fire breath fundamentalist and conserv side christian faith claim that bibl perhap sourc absolut truth don treat valuabl part live tradit not roman cathol thi close offici posit church perhap comment practic you refer will explain term social context time you fact that conserv break tophat and cane and give you big song and danc routin thi passag aren directli applic todai show that claim bibl and practic two thing doen thi thread suppos arrog christian suggest that problem hypocrasi thi case make claim bibl claimant don put into practic step back name call and peopl attempt that express concis uniqu place bibl hold christian faith peopl us such word phrase word god inerr infallibal manufactur handbook rule faith and practic church todai describ bibl hear and not mere word us descript demostrat fals and contradictori experi peopl gener pretti good pick intent speaker even speaker word varianc intent biblic exampl garden eden god ask you and adam explain that nake and afraid and hid adam had answer god word thi tree problem aris christian insist that word accur reflect beleif peopl not made determin effort work understand place bibl faith and reli phrase and explan that us hope thi help bill rea bill rea comput servic centr mail rea csc canterburi univers canterburi cctr csc canterburi christchurch zealand phone fax
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write two histor fact that import jesu didn rise dead equal impress order creat observ amount impact displai dead bodi jesu even jewish and roman author gain lot discredit christian michael covington internet mcovingt uga edu artifici intellig program phone univers georgia fax athen georgia amateur radio tmi and two simplest refut impact record impact come testament guarante that book accur and that record impact happen find interest that contemporari sourc record eclips earthquak templ curtain torn etc earliest written claim jesu resurrect paulin epistl written sooner year suppos event probabl that displai bodi jesu knew person that like explan that bodi stolen discipl graverobb don bother point guard appear gospel and exactli sort thing earli christian make order counter grave rob charg testament record that jew believ bodi had stolen guard not effect made thi claim scott
soc.religion.christian	etern hell hell articl apr atho rutger edu dlecoint garnet acn fsu edu dariu lecoint write insert delet unnecessari quot that thi notion that god take sort pleasur punish peopl purpos hell destroi devil and angel god not sort pleasur punish peopl will merci will merci and compass will compass enjoi punish peopl and send hell send jesu seek and save that lost luke earlier poster support etern hell theori fact that fallen angel not destroi rememb bibl teach that god reserv dai judgement judgement come suggest thi etern hell theori provid biblic evid can find for stai human theori and into account refer bibl you ask for peter talk ungodli punish matthew clear that not righteou god ey will hell for etern thessalonian state that troubl for discipl will punish everlast destruct and shut presenc lord thessalonian talk refus love truth condemn revel talk differ overcom and not not list vers will fieri lake burn sulfur revel indic that follow beast will torment burn sulfur and rest dai night for psalm wick return grave nation that forget god suffici prove point dariu joe fisher plai devil advoc not advoc posit concern that peopl understand that passag wai etern destruct that destruct rev term second death obviou understand that final extinct problem that speak etern punish and second death term that can understood concern not convinc you view peopl understand that wide varieti imag that understand tom albrecht comment primari point peopl etern fire detail make thing interest luke impli that damn don resurrect stai dead awar that understand thi passag liter peter talk angel and talk hold hell final judgement thi isn etern punish matthew talk send curs into etern fire prepar for devil and angel fact that fire etern doesn mean that peopl will last flame forev interest comment fire prepar for devil and angel rev and talk etern fire that beast and fals prophet will torment forev talk peopl thrown into refer second death thi sound extinct etern torment that fire effect supernatur entiti such devil and human thessalonian similarli everlast destruct thi not necessarili etern torment thi can understood that everlast us contrast kind destruct that can occur thi life final destruct that occur etern thessalonian talk destruct revel comment revel quot even doesn explicitli that peopl suffer forev that smoke and fire etern and that respit doesn that peopl torment forev psalm don that relev thi issu clh
soc.religion.christian	prophet warn york citi articl apr atho rutger edu evensont spot colorado edu evenson thoma randal write articl apr atho rutger edu reid uiuc edu jon reid write deon strydom fidonet org deon strydom write bring ask open question bibl close book scriptur for god told thi and jesu told that wouldn that impli that god pour revel that peopl will feel that and will not concept close canon cast shadow contemporari prophet hand open canon sometim back basic canon latin mean rule that rule open rule made broken issu measur rule word that spoken compar rule canon not ad canon revel topic current person revel revel for peopl for time not that scriptur you confus canon scriptur scriptur speak open god speak todai speak that close sens that canon unchang concept canon histor interest note that call propheci noth inspir translat scriptur call that propheci mislead wouldn that knowledg gift knowledg not excit talk shouldn call hors hors agre problem confus propheci meant encourag exhort correct overlap scriptur propheci meant bring word form man you live not your husband that knowledg exact word scriptur expect differ motiv and mean for deliveri read scriptur can power forc regard david david morgan univers technolog sydnei morgan soc ut edu box broadwai nsw broadwai sydnei fax paid good monei opinion you for free
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soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu reedr cgsvax claremont edu write disagre your claim that jew not evangelist narrow sens word jewish proselyt widespread numer account jewish proselyt testament and roman and greek document dai not jewish proselyt relat account recent dinner had jew month ago dinner instig aunt hostess had met visit wife galveston last octob dear aunt deceas proud jewish heritag not devout parent murder nazi concentr camp austria wwii jewish convers polit world affair and religion remark that good idea for visit niec return atlanta two dai return atlanta niec call invit for dinner husband not know expect stimul convers and fellowship unexpect thrust even discuss condemn reagan bush polici prohibit abort counsel feder fund famili plan clinic prohibit steril minor welfar and puerto rico ban fetal tissu research and mexico citi polici deni foreign aid program oversea that promot abort crux posit place blame for problem overpopul rampant domest crime african starvat unw mother etc christian fall adam thi not had come talk time bring subject judaism condemn jew for jesu and admonish convert judaism involv studi and effort and not even rais prospect convert truth christ jewish proselyt and last novemb tour tradit jewish synagogu and subject minut harangu jesu and christian gener realiz that two isol incid and that supervisor had work jewish experi modern jew not for proselyt boundari tenei que pensar que haya venido traer paz tierra venido traer paz sino guerra mateo vulgata latina
soc.religion.christian	hear sinner question god hear prayer sinner distinguish that never hear prayer sin make pointless prayer born centuri ago prayer impenit sinner lord want you thi for don expect chang life that matter even not ventur that god never grant such petit send sun and rain evil and good prai god that spirit respons rememb god real command jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	john paraphras end recent mon apr post alastair thomson offer paraphras john god love world that gave son die place that etern life die place bother sinc insert into vers doctrin not found origin suspect that poster intend affirm not substitut forens penal substitut maintain that scriptur speak aton teach doctrin substitut not forens substitut interest pursu matter invit send for essai genesi thi question lead essai can obtain send listserv asuacad bitnet listserv asuvm inr asu edu messag gen ruff jame kiefer theologian worth salt can put form commentari book genesi walter kaufman
soc.religion.christian	certainti and arrog repli post kilroi gboro rowan edu aka nanci sweetheart human brain infest sin and can trust limit circumst beg differ you properli form conscienc can trust virtual time not materialist human brain that mass tissu possess trustworthi your observ valid discuss mind anim human half anim and half spiritu moment stop speak and peopl start interpret possibl error appear mean that liter not not record that elabor word think tran con substati didn interpret thi passag brain and reason and draw conclus that brain not perfect think lead wrong thi that direct experi you hit purpos church necess infal interpret divin revel church christian noth bunch divis sect you infal thing you can extent that doctrin reli fallibl human think cannot thi argument certainti observ conclus not necessarili substanti experi remind theoret physicist that you can never measur sensor interfer field you measur experiment physicist will repli that measur can never made absolut certainti determin certainti measur can made and thi knowledg suffici render measur evid true condit field observ mind finit and suscept error compet arriv induct insight confid abil distinguish true not true even area not subject experiment method darren provin kilroi gboro rowan edu substanti number talk religion misc reader read wittgenstein post disappear understood wittgenstein disappear michael siemon thi quot arrog don you boundari tenei que pensar que haya venido traer paz tierra venido traer paz sino guerra mateo vulgata latina
soc.religion.christian	wbt phone number wycliff translat articl apr geneva rutger edu mprc troi rochest edu price write concern recent post wbt sil thought pretti denounc wing organ involv ideolog manipul and cultur interfer includ vietnam and south america commiss mexican academia denounc covert polit and ideolog institut us govt instrument control regul penetr espionag and repress met peter kingston wbt year back struck exempleri and dedic christian main concern translat word god and welfar peopl group serv wbt literatur concern provid scriptur minor languag sort critic level organis such thi line ideolog manipul and cultur interfer christianis and educ thi wbt will stand alongsid earli christian missionari part africa group work nativ american coupl hundr year ago concern that thi group accept and even praiseworthi reader soc religion christian import that christian don immedi accept christian organ automat reproach you substanti attack legitim critic prioriti spread gospel underdevelop peopl barnei resson run and fro knowledg increas daniel
soc.religion.christian	agnost question articl apr geneva rutger edu jdt voodoo boe jim tomlinson jimt write good that power each complic that friend becom fundamentalist that issu firstli you exactli mean fundamentalist will for time assum that you mean that your friend believ that bibl god word mankind suspect that happen call born that recent answer question quit understand imo give advic your friend similar and thing can that basic problem that each you commun worldview talk thing obviou obviou not obviou you secondli persuas point view side fenc thi mean that turn fundamentalist you two agreeabl you thing side suddenli world realiti suddenli open discoveri contin planet you wonder and think you you realis that point view mean you eventhough end offend you worth that risk nevertheless respect you stand and listen you thi moment difficult excit feel urgent quiet not realis that put you bibl that question can convinc that thi subject left undiscuss can preserv area religi belief great friendship convinc that save won for advic explain thing side understand you feel wasn christian for good part life quit turn christian fundamentalist and enthusiast faith scare you truth religi belief person thing your agnostic person thing you sinc christian belief inevit odd christian religi will touchi matter friendship will side part make work thi matter you can your part tell nice that you not dig convinc you that you not your concern for don nonsens realiti and that real insult care not insult you stand give your friend advic admit that similarli friend christian wai thing differ difficult excit and blabber found good not crazi and didn care time thought you will crazi god real real you that mind and think can convinc you sinc god real doesn god can real you don help thi you thi quit challeng for you face person convict save call devil and host regard selbyn liew dept engin univers melbourn victoria australia email sliew mullian fax
soc.religion.christian	religi war don thi sort thing you gui discuss guess fall into area apologet thi question that pop and convers christian appear sort unqualifi statement you that religion caus war bother that cannot find satisfactori respons thi religion peac and love religi war person view that religion us excus instig war disguis nation ambit love hear thi subject advanc andrew fraser think term histori crusad northern ireland yugoslavia come immedi mind northern ireland yugoslavia name andrew jame fraser mail fraseraj dc gla es student univers glasgow standard disclaim begin suspect that natur condit human conflict perhap not whether religion philosophi involv war sinc whether stop clh
soc.religion.christian	hell black sabbath articl apr geneva rutger edu rexlex fnal fnal gov write file thi weekend ran across lyric rock group that content two black sabbath master realiti thi for music and earli ask question signific jethro tull anoth ask and wrote thing that caus rex interest that you post lyric dai think lyric sinc whenev approach judgement pharisit evangel fundamentalist throw bibl long hair wear black leather jacket and listen black sabbath throw back chin drop and come speechless not satan lyric show that import evil world battl rock lyric steven salari lot danger live crew salari carc wustl edu and stupid us foul languag idea philosophi geoff tate queensrych
soc.religion.christian	phone number wycliff translat apr geneva rutger edu mserv mozart iup edu mail server write mark concern recent post wbt sil thought pretti denounc wing organ involv ideolog manipul and cultur interfer good heaven you mean good friend we collin wife and two small children into jungl guatemala despit danger primit condit and arm guerilla that indigen peopl group bibl nativ languag young man led bibl studi church daili demonstr and declar deep abid faith lord love you mean sneaki imperialist spy you find charg amus mark understand your frustrat can kind scari find your assumpt challeng specif cultur interfer refer includ linguist manipul for instanc tzotzil spanish dictionari remov spanish and tzotzil word for concept threaten rule ideolog class conquer exploit repress revolut and describ word can express ideolog concept exampl boss boss good treat and pai good wage student not your tone impli that you you you interest research and you sound you refer for you stoll david fisher men founder empir wycliff bibl translat latin america secta religiosidad america latina lo angel time dec latin america press washington time june happi hunt
soc.religion.christian	lose your temper not christian trait hoorai suspect that human desir christ that christian critic and christian suppos grow matur endeavour christ perfect build bodi christ don tear and that includ jesu love todai tomorrow and god sheila patterson
soc.religion.christian	god shape hole accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu johnsd rpi edu dan johnson write empti spot god shape hole heart eas pain heard thi claim quit time god shape hole busi thi vers us back thi idea set etern heart men ecclesiast sharon belvil
soc.religion.christian	daili vers for will father heaven brother and sister and mother matthew
soc.religion.christian	accept jesu your heart whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu bryan whitsel write religion christian noth drug peopl us drug escap realiti christian inject jeezu and live that high your logic falti christian drug and onc die die you reluct embras thi drug that you aliv you enjoi pardon harsh that follow onc told cradl christian not advantag jesu for sake your selfish realiz search for true faith religion belong fear hell vaniti etc serv serv you comprehend thi truth you thing for your egoism not us jesu religion bibl mean escap get ecstat high god children and true and authent relationship father obedi faith hope and love and work last import bewar materialist worldli and selfish motiv atheist thi ground and call christian marida spread god word action mother teresa
soc.religion.christian	moodi monthli and moodi moodi monthli and moodi magazin name chang recent year not post address moodi monthli avid david sjoen sheep hear voic and and gulaksveien follow and give life etern and stavang never perish and seiz norwai hand john mail david hsr rogaland univers centr norwai
soc.religion.christian	abri experi curiou net land spent time abri hous world and experi affect you etc interest experi origin abri switzerland and person interact franci and edith schaeffer tom milligan
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian vbv eeap cwru edu virgilio dean velasco write articl apr atho rutger edu caralv caralv auto trol carol alvin write virgilio dean velasco write carol alvin write truth absolut scriptur truth and absolut answer question absolut that constant across time cultur situat etc true instanc you agre thi definit agre your definit exampl women cover head and not speak hold that scriptur true discern exactli jesu paul and compani not easi don that paul that women behav that that circumst time women speak avoid volubl and cover head thi maintain proper wit rememb that number relativist statement can deriv absolut for instanc absolut for christian strive for peac thi not rule maintain world peac resort violenc occas opinion agre that truth scriptur principl learn claim that that truth absolut impli liter read bibl absolut truth constant across time cultur etc interpret that lesson glean passag person person that doesn mean that person and wrong that god transcend simpl mind and that scriptur craft exactli thi intent god and that claim that scriptur absolut person disput interpret wrong don that god that rigid evangel not take thi part scriptur absolut truth and plenti exampl can you reconcil thi bibl preach absolut truth exactli truth sometim matter confus bibl preach absolut truth sometim fundament principl crystal clear evangel thi arrog come plai sinc principl crystal clear evangel rest word for isn crystal clear that fundament principl fundament principl establish that figur biblic truth matter human interpret and error prone you can claim that crystal clear segment christian difficult you can claim base your interpret absolut god reveal truth world word utterli unavoid that peopl whill come altern interpret practic can misinterpret come matter and wrong care deni that not support posit effect that your posit bibl absolut truth prone error interpret cannot reliabl determin figur that truth that point spend thi time claim and defend absolut truth can never truth and can never shouldn act practic differ can thi make carol alvin caralv auto trol
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart articl apr geneva rutger edu jason atlastel jason smith write articl apr atho rutger edu kempmp phoenix oulu petri pihko write thi not true scienc collect model tell not happen cannot good reason question bound natur thing assum that supernatur domain exist supernatur be exist exist beg disagre assert that scienc collect model scientif model game plai and good assumpt and measur that into exampl rememb nuclear winter big hype atmospher scienc wasn long sagan admonit that boi ad anoth level realiti into model nuclear winter scenario erl boulder decid assum that atmospher two dimension thing dimension thing assum that rain and that wind blow real atmospher return georgia tech show transpar atmospher cool rate year gener model unmistak correl ag mean simplic assumpt remot realiti each model and degre cool sagan model show approxim degre cool episod model sophist show half that and boi model show degre drop war happen winter and degre drop happen summer predict that includ presenc ocean chemistri biospher and indic realiti model even cool nuclear winter reduc even nuclear autumn nuclear fizzl quot yoder postul model becom accept realiti lattic assumpt authoritarian domin field and critic analysi each argument encourag skeptic model approach earth problem warrant kei paramet not includ thi statement sure appli equal cosmogoni convinc observ evid substanti model result suggest that model describ realiti thought clear that thing hand boundari tenei que pensar que haya venido traer paz tierra venido traer paz sino guerra mateo vulgata latina
soc.religion.christian	revel babylon bibl studi colleg revel pretti good get sort reason interpret chapter and talk woman beast and fall babylon beast antichrist differ obviou and woman repres babylon stand for rome roman cathol church view thi interpret fall babylon chapter babylon chapter cathol church hate step toe jimmi buddenberg internet jbuddenberg vax cn muskingum edu muskingum colleg read thi imageri roman cathol church common earlier protest writer lot find that frankli embarass reader will advoc such posit problem that descript make lot polit entiti associ king control world commerc seat mountain recal that rome tradition regard built hill church not current roman cathol church church that anti christ and merg state turn into such scenario true cathol persecut impress that satan pretend angel light and true church persecut remnant consist plai imag that anti christ presid church that claim heir protest and cathol tradit that true spiritu descend peter and reform equal persecut clh
soc.religion.christian	work god local religion christian bb group moribund post sundai easter church sermon base stori book joshua joshua send spi land plan rememb heard part cbc radio documentari bosnia that rahab woman shelter spi that peopl melt fear heard that cbc radio documentari and know that muslim bosnia lose war felt uncomfort serb drive christian hand minist that bibl oppos valu held secular societi member that church involv countri missionari work pastor talk spiritu warfar and bring christ nonreligi peopl area sundai sermon joshua israelit jericho and proce massacr for rahab had shelter spi report bosnia mind felt uncomfort minist that massacr joshua bother that take christian shouldn troubl report ethnic cleans bosnia sympathi shouldn moslim that bosnian muslim descend christian turkish rule convert islam serb god work exampl god peopl set bloodi war conquest troubl discuss person question whether even time that war justifi specif command god don serb behav group that led god thi matter clh
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian dleonar andi bgsu edu pixi write unfaithfulli pixi you sincer that god exist you follow blindli word question author mean you defi theist repli dear defiant unfaith pixi will challeng repli theist foundat for faith god reason exist god not proven that exist can proven reason indisput short treatis tradit proof for exist god and summa theologica that god exist and that exist can proven reason assert that command blindli fallen condit measur doubt faith god thing mover matter independ thing that requir noth for exist measur that perfect and essenti order univers logo assert that god good thi that contrari will god evil absenc good and sinc god can never contradict promis savior earli protoevangelium genesi god instruct that human adam respons for man alien sourc good man requir act restor friendship god incarn person messiah thi messiah claim that truth john thi claim true bound reason follow truth incarn you problem author you unit state marin corp can you hand that excel instructor author you not had privileg will repli that author truth incarn never question and blindli not deni truth for exampl proverbi appl fell isaac newton head deni that happen not law physic obei whether human like not true author truth not deni qed boundari tenei que pensar que haya venido traer paz tierra venido traer paz sino guerra mateo vulgata latina
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri jek nih gov write essenti ingredi marriag mutual commit two person consid marri and bound mutual promis live togeth husband and wife forsak till death part that impli that peopl marriag vow aren sincer not marri jeff johnson jcj tellab
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu kempmp phoenix oulu petri pihko wrote jason smith jason atlastel wrote anoth answer that god sourc exist thi sound tempt god exist god sourc exist can mean that term human time exist thi not sourc exist thi argument sound god not exist meta exist and meta exist perspect creat exist thi nonsolut mere twist word exist and sourc exist be not problemat you put sourc exist includ mean that god noth concept alien christian and theism understand classic concept and conting exist god exist necessarili god creat conting be thi coher solut exist long concept god coher answer heard that human reason incap understand such question atheist not accept such answer sinc not method not good answer reason cannot mean understand like that null concept not realiti ted kalivoda
soc.religion.christian	cell church discuss group begin mail discuss group cell church you follow jesu christ and cell church church that transit cell church interest learn cell church send mail reserv remov group not demonstr spirit humil and christlik jon reid fool cannot reid uiuc edu gain cannot lose jim elliot
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell mark schnitziu write liter interpret bibl will problem thi view sinc bibl talk fire hell and such thi found confus your nerv end die your physic bodi flame hurt you can wail and gnash teeth lung and teeth can feel physic pain bodi you doctrin resurrect bodi peopl will great judgement for resurrect dead and life world come nicen constantinopolitan creed you will bodi and soul hell eventu andi byler
soc.religion.christian	prayer and advic request famili problem brother alien parent and sinc shortli marriag domin and insecur woman twelv year ago thing painfulli polit christma card sort level for thi time attempt each end disastr wife throw scream fit and storm imagin slight inattent insensit mean thi happen end singl restaur meal live state quiver anxieti hope futil storm break sacrif not meaning contact friend and interest thi choic and accept even deplor hard time time want drop pretens that relationship cut contact real pain relationship talk honestli thought dramat and you evas and find excus phone leav door open case decid come back unsatisfi choic superfici trap relationship thi weekend mother final decid that wasn pretend and cut relat thi outcom phone convers sister law scream and rave mother blame for wrong live and brother evad tempor claim situat control and expect mother make allow and concess mom not that not quietli abus and that term relationship didn want talk and hung never mother lose temper and that thi time hung mom feel divorc brother and that relief wai break open and mix feel proud mom for stick for angri brother and sister law for hurt for jerk for persist such wretch life hurt and warp children angri sister law for hate and angri brother for coward and respect for that will throw and us energi appeas unappeas emotion disturb woman pain for children mess scare for futur sinc thi mark time thing will chang and improv break will becom irrevoc nastili righteou thi bit proof that can treat each thi and disgust for even begin gloat miseri and final sad sad sad parent hurt and brother and sister law trap horribl destruct situat that can can bear path and frustrat don and noth drive wall prai feel rage impot and vindict and situat not free desir concret desir defin problem and fix beset vice terribl time quiet intern mental chatter listen for god you thought and kind peopl net advic for thi time reach brother thing can conquer rage for big question evad thi long long post christian and propon faith hope and chariti accept destruct relationship give brother accept that powerless and can wait and happen answer mail post you juli jjmarvin pucc princeton edu
soc.religion.christian	christian for christian articl apr atho rutger edu lmh juliet caltech edu henl lawrenc write articl apr geneva rutger edu mussack austin ibm write for exampl univers exist whether not find thi pascal wager and spend live search wast live meaningless and find thi view christian quit dishearten and sad idea that life mean import creator not basi for belief forgiv inclus suppos neccessari follow argument point that life mean import find that mean import almost tautolog hope not patron term for that mean creator that not obviou argument and logic appal god exist want god heard thi line reason and preval modern societi peopl convinc life hopeless pollster and newscast state don thi good reason becom religi you want mean not join cult such waco leader will give you secur blanket you desir term religi ambigu thi context that search for mean life definit religi cult follow definit search you want mean not search for truth understand christian congruent understand truth come conclus that word wai that make sens mean that impli that understand chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu ata hfsi hfsi john ata write you vastli oversimplifi thing that earli christian suffer totur wit christ for exampl act appear that jewish ruler that time had avers even hear jesu name final apostl death jame zebede not rome hand martyr stephen problem that believ resurrect jesu son god and stood for and preach ministri earth that extrem difficult for peopl that had plot kill basic problem your argument your total and complet relianc biblic text luke account highli suspect refer you hermeneia commentari act luke account written year fact meantim mention di and attempt find actual written sourc text come section portion act firmli establish paul account event act record galatian fail establish act account reliabl text critic appreci document death christian for belief resurrect suggest you greek and roman historian you will disapoint randi
soc.religion.christian	proof resurect articl apr geneva rutger edu jcj tellab jcj write articl apr geneva rutger edu smayo world std scott mayo write christian flame resurrect disprov didn paul write that resurrect not true biggest fool whether you christ not teach love your brotherman even secular level great deal allevi problem todai world even rabid atheist couldn deni that jeff johnson jcj tellab cannot fail note intens suffer devast wreck world christian christ captialist pollut envior strict obedi gensi command subdu earth nazi justli punish jew for kill christ progrom innoc women burn aliv accord you not witch live moslem kill crusad god fear men destroi inquist religi war spain franc england etc christian undoubtedli caus suffer and needless loss life individu certain that instruct unquestion griev randi
soc.religion.christian	question jesu alon on dear fellow netter time time term on pentecost similar occur post thi group that movement call jesu alon triniti and plan chang that reentli made awar that person church hold view that triniti futur will discuss thi item and feel that you friend thi group for background inform can basic reason for hold belief that jesu and vice versa foundat for triniti quot bibl and histor develop you bjorn mail mail bjorn larsen bjorn larsen delab sintef sintef delab trondheim tel norwai fax
soc.religion.christian	sex educ articl apr atho rutger edu jkellett netcom joe kellett write question for discuss textbook don teach safe drug us kid drug abstin and come don pass bullet proof vest school promot safe gun usag chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu gene gross lambada oit unc edu gene gross write knew don forget that jesu jew and roman troublemak pilat fool and didn addit headach fishermen steal jesu bodi make had arisen sinc jesu buri grave man sanhedrin that didn buri beg question problem individu post you biblic account sort histor recount modern sens refer you john domin crossan book cross that spoke pub harper and row earliest text make refer empti tomb empti tomb for claim resurrect modern evangel fundamentalist complet miss point resurrect work georg nickelsburg work resurrect immort and etern life intertestament judaism publ cambridg havard univ press help rom paul empti tomb addition cor mention empti tomb rais note passiv appear ascens resurrect accomplish disturb bone grave idea empti tomb isn broach text fall jerusalem that time idea come bodi ludicri mack argu convicingli that empti tomb stori appear mark text thi mention tomb you that you that discipl stole bodi thi moment you die maintain you knew deliber lie not you discipl not talk dy for you firmli truth unbeknown you lie thi talk dy behead stone crucifixion etc for you lie you posit regard discipl steal bodi lightweight for graverobb risk sever penalti for grave rob bodi jesu wasn buri great rich thi argument that can discount that leav you back squar happen bodi comment that plausibl christian scenario and typic suggest sceptic knowledg that resurrect subject event and empti tomb stori result account grow tell clh you quit even idea subject mystic event foundat resurrect narr unten mack myth innoc randi
soc.religion.christian	latest branch davidian articl apr geneva rutger edu conditt tsd arlut utexa edu paul conditt wrote sad that peopl put faith mere man even claim son god and prophet christ return will desert will wilder not for lightn flash east west come son man paraphras vers john jon sig file broken
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola write religion christian noth drug truth thi statement us word medicin drug regard condit human soul christian and foremost heal medicin strengthen and enabl heal take hold grow strength and health live and and that for god creat peopl us drug escap realiti christ medicin rightli allow work bring nearer realiti and offer clariti understand and strength spirit meet healthi human christian inject jesu and live that high small spell correct ad gerri palo compuserv
soc.religion.christian	assur hell articl apr geneva rutger edu rexlex fnal fnal gov write dream that great judgment morn had dawn and trumpet had blown dream that sinner had gather for judgment white throne weep and wail lost told fate cri for rock and mountain prai prayer late soul that had put salvat not tonight save and time religion ala had found time die and great white throne believ god bibl fear make thi statement doesn judg will judg measur protest that fear hell not good for motiv jesu thought paul thought paul know terror lord persuad men god motiv fear not god worthi worship god jesu spoke exist not hell convinc peopl worship todai evangel noth soft soap and noth evangel salesmanship don peopl anymor that such thing sin that such place hell myth hell that made final realiz that thing untru hadn for hell believ todai myth hell made realiz that god that not know and good god claim such word even evid for exist join pythagorean reform church repent your evil irrat number and bean eat wai accept into your heart call pythagorean reform church bb
soc.religion.christian	rise anoth issu import crucif will god tragic mistak tragic mistak god will can never accomplish disbelief man jesu thi world build kingdom heaven earth desper want jewish peopl accept messiah crucif will god jesu prai that thi cup pass thi weak never men and women live for countri nobl jesu not knew crucif not will god god will that jewish peopl accept jesu messiah and that kingdom heaven establish earth jesu head jewish peopl expect thi had happen year ago can you imagin kind world live todai world and that eactli god want men and women that ag save live messiah earth jesu establish sinless lineag that continu reign ascens spiritu world live god kingdom heaven earth will wait for christ return return will recogn and will find faith thi earth isn time for return almost year mike articl atho rutger edu oser fermi wustl edu scott oser write articl apr atho rutger edu mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write two histor fact that import jesu didn rise dead equal impress order creat observ amount impact displai dead bodi jesu even jewish and roman author gain lot discredit christian and two simplest refut impact record impact come testament guarante that book accur and that record impact happen find interest that contemporari sourc record eclips earthquak templ curtain torn etc earliest written claim jesu resurrect paulin epistl written sooner year suppos event probabl that displai bodi jesu knew person that like explan that bodi stolen discipl graverobb don bother point guard appear gospel and exactli sort thing earli christian make order counter grave rob charg testament record that jew believ bodi had stolen guard not effect made thi claim scott
soc.religion.christian	etymolog easter for src languag feast resurrect lord pasch pasqu variat thereof word come hebrew pesach mean passov english german and relat languag easter variat thereof and question ask origin thi term explan that vener bede ration temporum deriv word name anglo saxon goddess spring call eastr bede great scholar and natur word for live and augustin began preach kent us word easter describ feast establish birth bede and birth discuss subject like that deriv guess base awar that had anglo saxon goddess spring bear that name and resembl word resembl sure not surpris that personif spring name similar word for dawn not istelf convinc testimoni conjectur bede not make assum that bede that not justifi that christian celebr had for centuri name easter appli pagan root simpli mean that anglo saxon christian and begin celebr resurrect festiv spring call name that meant simpli spring festiv bede not theori that propos knoblech die sprach zeitschrift fuer sprachwissenschaft vienna offer deriv latin speak christian week begin feast resurrect hebdomada alba white week sinc newli baptiz christian accustom wear white baptism robe that week sometim week refer simpli alba translat render thi into german mistook for plural alba mean dawn accordingli render eostarum high german for dawn thi gave rise form easter english jame kiefer not interest restart discuss proprieti celebr easter thi contain interest inform that peopl clh
soc.religion.christian	commit christian that battl problem that roman talk save faith not deed hebrew and jame that faith deed useless you fool you that believ fulli believ life total lead and not god roman that person save faith bit that god prefer cold doesn condemn lukewarm christian and believ god doesn make attempt live bibl opinion that you save faith alon not you taught roman can squar mind teach jame conjunct lukewarm christian spat can thi bother christ will dalla cowboi world champion
soc.religion.christian	interfaith wed bill burn for descript differnc cathol and lutheran church recommend prof william whalen book separ brethren overview common denomin intend for cathol audienc richard aquina chonak norri mit edu seek job chang sy mgr vax si cobol programm unix
soc.religion.christian	paul weekli collect mark gregori foster write corinthian idea introduc onc that reason paul want corinthian lai monei for collect dai week that thi receiv weekli wage ancient roman not observ dai week man work for jewish employ paid dai dai week jewish employ wage week end lev jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	eliz prophet rob butera ask book call lost year jesu elizabeth clare prophet not book miss prophet leader group church univers and triumphant deriv group found ballard began mission write thi memori and not detail straight for account check your librari for bnook marcu bach eighteenth centuri frenchman appear tap shoulder and offer cup cosmic essenc major tenet movement that monasteri mountain tibet monk descend lower altitud centuri preach and that major religion found monk thi monasteri typic ballard famili and successor prophet famili relat marriag rememb aright base almost teach messag allegedli receiv telepathi tibet surpris book you mention scholarli basi jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	chant passion mike rolf write you latin beauti hear passion chant deacon narrat chant middl bariton rang jesu chant bass and directli quot handl high tenor thi english music tradit latin anglican parish expect that rcc parish likewis matthew passion and john passion bach direct offshoot thi tradit jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	muslim tith sexism genesi mdb uki edu muslim tith incom perhap offshoot islam that impos thi follow standard tith net worth onc year writer object bibl for teach that woman creat man helper etc thi refer genesi suppos that that chapter had written sex revers god creat woman and not good that woman alon will make meet for feminist outrag clear implic that god had start bottom and work make plant fish and bird beast woman and final masterpiec male chauvinist pig statement that woman not capabl function that man open door for gratuit insult fact that creation woman dust ground briefli and gener creation man six time number word cite evid author estim rel import sex verdict unequivoc respect woman can accept thi book moral guid sexist trash suggest that mose fear thi reaction alter origin draft and describ creation adam and ev appeas miriam and radic feminist dai for reason not work jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	proof resurect articl apr geneva rutger edu reedr cgsvax claremont edu write cannot fail note intens suffer devast wreck world christian christ captialist strict obedi gensi innoc women burn aliv accord you not witch live moslem kill crusad god fear men destroi inquist religi war spain franc england etc christian undoubtedli caus suffer and needless loss life individu certain that instruct unquestion griev agre gospel jesu advoc action you mention couldn find witch sorceress concord epistl witch work gospel refer witch sorceress rsv clh
soc.religion.christian	jon ogden jono mac rtsg mot wrote dead and useless faith action action prove faith and show genuin good exampl thi abraham refer jame passag hebrew that abraham justifi faith faith demonstr work obei god told read abraham biographi genesi instruct man beset lack faith lot time ly sarah wife occas fulfil god promis god behalf copul hagar that god didn evalu basi individu incid abraham list hero faith hebrew crunch god declar abraham man faith believ god promis thi confid real faith demonstr work god not judg success failur perform work not work righteous merci save wash regener and renew holi spirit titu amaz grace hallelujah michael davi mcd brunel
soc.religion.christian	iter bibl not religi gui dont thi kinda flame advanc want version bibl thi version bibl read and front page contain inaccur data and inconsist advanc shaz not quit you mean version primari distinct version you todai style translat pretti unusu signific differ mean differ underli text that print manuscript copi hand slight differ result manuscript that scholar can pretti good job recreat origin uncertainti fortun gener level minor differ word place sentenc involv recent discoveri older manuscript don uncertainli case christian that process copi manuscript process translat free error don uncertainti establish text translat that practic effect whether bibl contain inaccur data and inconsist hot topic debat christian deni accept that inaccuraci involv detail that don affect faith thi noth multipl version suppos inconsist can found version surpris find refer thi titl page version you talk refer major scholarli translat referenc post and edit that kind wide accept thi includ reconstruct that combin parallel account into singl narrat edit that omit materi that editor object for reason copyright bibl long sinc expir noth stop peopl make edit that wierd thing want edit that wide us carefulli prepar group scholar varieti background lot crosscheck imagin lesser edit claim fix inaccur data and inconsist not edit that wide us wide us leav text weeeeelllllll almost alleg that translat fudg word two and minim inconsist translat not exact scienc differ opinion word afraid clh
soc.religion.christian	articl apr geneva rutger edu lmvec westminst william hargreav write commit christian that battl problem that roman talk save faith not deed hebrew and jame that faith deed useless you fool you that believ don conflict understand passag faith you studi mean greek and hebrew word translat you will come conclus that word mean lot mere belief faith mean trust and action you not put your belief into action simpli cannot qualifi faith thi jame mean that faith work dead and will show you faith work rememb jame write twelv tribe scatter abroad thi mean write hear gospel and wouldn understand mean origin greek suspect jame write todai intend reach paul hand wrote peopl roman empir gener understood mean greek anoth kei conflict paul statement context you will find that paul contrast faith and work context compar gospel law mean law mose thi great burden paul life apostl gentil convert bunch peopl judiz come and convinc that had obei law mose act chapter thi context paul condemn idea save work law that save blood jesu and faith that translat for todai that save faith faith todai mean closer origin writer intend fulli believ life total lead and not god roman that person save faith you misunderstand roman paul that god prefer faith gentil not kosher kosher jew fail stai faith import matter lord and chariti fellow bit that god prefer cold doesn condemn lukewarm christian and believ god doesn make attempt live bibl sens faith describ you cannot real faith and lukewarm you god lukewarm unfaith you wors person never heard rememb jesu parabl pearl great price mat and treasur hidden field mat that price kingdom god agre you gener includ fact that pisti forc faith you that you can end that paul not intend faith mean god thing that save faith close that save commit sin assum that not you meant almost find specif verbal formula that complet captur thi paul describ call basic orient includ aspect such trust and commit jesu speak rebirth impli basic chang thing that sin and fail show life christ situat christian had basic chang orient that jesu call born clh
soc.religion.christian	assur hell articl apr geneva rutger edu rexlex fnal fnal gov write you haven accept jesu your savior you take aw chanc jehovah wit longer frequent door you and wrong will live good life and will die and ceas exist and you wrong you will die and suffer etern damnat don mean make fun thi point dirti harri you feel lucki you man limit don whosoev wont thi ridicul argument for christian you switch christian anoth religion you offer even frighten descript anoth hell christian view strictli insur polici not messag love and compass for faith base fear hell sound dysfunct relationship god child cring fear parent physic violenc religion concret view heaven and hell threat and persuas will competit can envison worst hell can nurtur idea love your neighbor rex comment critic ken alvin ucsu colorado edu
soc.religion.christian	question jesu alon on jesu believ moder write misunderstand term agre quit like jesu origin context baptism folk that baptism formula mention jesu father son and holi spirit thi doctrin implic not mean that folk deni exist divin father not describ thi theologi and fact includ classic call monophysit arian two view belief that consist trinitarian standard won us trinitarian languag misunderstand simpli not biblic clh not biblic can make end matthew and jesu and author heaven and earth and make discipl nation baptiz name father and son and holi spirit and teach obei that command you and rememb you end ag ancient author add amen nrsv note give sens that thi emend text contradict thi baptism misunderstand triniti like explan simpli misunderstand view forc read thi group good bibl and unabridg dictionari christian educ david tucker drt athena mit edu arrgggghhhh talk peopl reject trinitarian languag unbibl speak trinitarian theologi thing essens and person fold baptism formula biblic you point us term fold refer mat consist belief triniti triniti doctrin full formul occur and cent that mat had mind fulli develop trinitarian doctrin fold baptism formula us group that not triniti disagr baptism formula occur passag such act command baptism name jesu coupl passag act thi leav sort problem command mat baptiz name father son and holi spirit and act baptiz name jesu jesu group baptiz name jesu thi consist mat that jesu name father son and holi spirit not explain thi mean will simpli that not normal trinitarian theologi odd deal idiomat phrase name us fold formula don standard answer passag talk baptiz name jesu suspect that common explan that name not verbal formula that you baptiz name jesu simpli mean that you baptism jesu author cent context contrast christian baptism baptism john jewish baptism parallel passag that suggest that that mat doesn requir specif fold formula us baptism simpli character baptism follow father son and holi spirit suspect that earli church baptism formula us long jesu father son and holi spirit great damag such differ thi not mean that back formula baptism thing that almost christian group recogn mutual not upset that interest gospel thi reinforc fact that group that us name jesu mind differ doctrin not explain doctrin clh
soc.religion.christian	daili vers and lord servant not quarrel kind teach not resent oppos gentli instruct hope that god will grant repent lead knowledg truth and that will come sens and escap trap devil captiv will iitimothi
soc.religion.christian	question that bee bother articl apr atho rutger edu wquinnan sdcc ucsd edu malcusco write articl apr atho rutger edu atterlep vela ac oakland edu cardin ximenez write problem scienc that assum for ourselv god endow abil produc life sexual relat you assum thi you design creator and you observ abil procreat for exampl not make that avail that mean that scienc can ride god decis alter that god will for power decid and not children you observ abil modifi fertil intellig experi and draw similar conclus god design for scientif inquiri us technolog that produc that abil god and not cannot draw solid line approv scientif studi and not will thi experi univers find secret want thi knowledg want truth and hold truth basic ethic valu correct moral judgement reli know truth not vice versa moral that assert that assent belief moral choic and not compel evid inevit cut limb sit falsif evid consciou and unconsci follow corrupt intellect and heart will that each person prai for guidanc unravel mysteri univers and ceas unravel reason search displeas god malcusco god noth fear truth imaginari god and follow afraid afraid max
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey your opinion thi exactli engag coupl becom marri god ey wait for speak will bibl hand can give exact chapter vers time jesu told peter that rock you hold true earth held true heaven and you don hold true won true heaven respect marriag ceremoni priest big parti requir priest coupl and wit divorc not allow anul grant approv bishop pope not pope deleg thi function mark ashlei disclaim opinion not harri marka gcx ssd csd harri lost lo angelino
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey articl apr geneva rutger edu rj cwru edu richard szanto write previou articl randerso acad sah uth tmc edu robert anderson your opinion thi exactli engag coupl becom marri god ey that two public announc plan marri made vow god and unswervingli commit anoth realiz thi subject qualifi marri join god sight discuss thi girlfriend marri legal not peopl sexual each not sexual relat decid marri eventu for financi and distanc reason will not legal marri for anoth year and half marri for life god ey faith that strong relationship and had for year and will full joi marri church find church will live area marri and will find church commun feel that two peopl commit marriag god marri and bound that commit rick szanto rick nail problem pretti can find scriptur miss that detail you marri make assumpt base principl scriptur that take parti make marriag husband wife and god you promis each and god that you will conven togeth marri you imo ceremoni part that for connected bodi christ brother and sister involv that can account part that part concept hebrew not forsak assembl togeth custom each lone ranger christian and lone ranger marriag smack suffici that don paul simon rock island model anywher christian song lyric show your ag sinc marriag legal matter institut usa and place and such law not specif crosswis clear teach scriptur obei avoid even appear evil thess thi impli civil ceremoni marriag mind thi for conscienc back begin you marri you and your intend promis each and god conven imo bobbi akgua rjb state kind commit describ richard szanto post can creat common law marriag post long establish that marriag exist issu end court want consult lawyer familiar common law marriag state clh
soc.religion.christian	serbian genocid work god apr serbian genocid work god user jame sledd ssdc sa up write govern unit state and europ not move end ethnic cleans serb target muslim bingo that and oil apr serbian genocid work god user jame sledd ssdc sa up write serb work god hmm thi work god doubli glad that don worship david hunt graduat slave mind mechan engin idea opinion palestinian and carnegi mellon univers us golden rule jewish homeland email bluelobst cmu edu work pile higher and deeper will great dai scientist and engin monei and religion beg for monei pai priest
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian dean and write lot and lot absolut truth and arrog vbv eeap cwru edu virgilio dean velasco write strongli suspect that reach impass deign comment agre that never agre and start feel frustrat and tire convers husband domin thi topic kid that particip thi discuss good learn experi for view thi topic evolv and clarifi thi and suspect that not disagre admit that strongli prejud evangel christian and not ration reaction grew and colleg wrong place for and react strongli implic that conserv christian sort stronghold true christian shudder rememb condescend attitud had christian didn adher model come that real object thi notion absolut truth action lead had bad experi evangel christian claim truth and judg base belief that answer know truth doesn leav lot room for opinion can accept your belief absolut truth long you don us that belief forc compli and you care that you don hurt love your neighbor total window truth and believ that live that truth peopl convict truth bit strong and sincer base care search prayer and relationship god don dismiss god didn lead conclus thi not direct person you dean carol alvin caralv auto trol
soc.religion.christian	messiah articl geneva rutger edu desire bradlei mindlink desire bradlei write miss post waco david koresh and second come second come real thing person claim insan rule thumb that person make claim wrong read john thi morn that chapter close and don bibl work check and jesu talk discipl impend death and that will and will line will you and you will cannot provid exact quot citat understand thi that second come will not outward event inward event christ will come live heart and will live you for person you will deceiv that jew had for messiah that polit militari leader and didn recogn jesu jesu show that kingdom not thi earth lot written second come base expect christ come back and final take world and run sound lot jew for come wasn that and reason for second come that and don expect happen onc second come lot time christ come into someon heart christ come peac will william taber will taber opinion express data gener corp will futon webo mine alon and westboro mass chang notic your dream laid rest you can second hard david wilcox
soc.religion.christian	jesu black peopl post thi newsgroup cowardli arrog apathet discuss thi issu sinc discuss grace comput screen hold interest african american commun gain discuss knowledg person christian us thi countri tighten spiritu emot mental hold slaveri mind soul heart african american thi effect displai white icon jesu slave church encourag godli superior slaveown wasn that slaveown your provid your god look uncondit love loyalti and worship great pride cultur biblic accur icon pictur statu black jesu found european countri that black madonna biblic physic descript jesu hair compar that wool feet that brass and area world biblic action place intellig commentari thi import topic flamer not repli sherlett expect thi type respons doesn matter color skin action for mankind count thi true not question thi walk earth for decad human thi part exist intrigu and for that doesn matter member physic emancip peopl struggl for mental emancip matter gener attack member thi group unjustifi discuss thi issu past can discuss onc fact that specif thing hasn discuss recent shouldn sign gener cowardic arrog apathi past discuss outrag suggest that jesu black and suggest scholar concensu that like semit you tradit that portray jesu art show peopl you wouldn surpris find african art show black and orient art show orient good reason relat christian devot such good and that imag challeng and jesu member xxx xxx group you respect clh
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart dan johnson ask for evid that effect abus recoveri program involv meet peopl spiritu respond step program alcohol anonym step involv acknowled higher power and step abus recoveri program acknowledg effect dan johnson clarifi ask thi show that effect substanc absur recoveri program involv meetinsg peopl spiritu attempt fill peopl spiritu perciev peopl regular snoopi you ask provid object proof for exist god never claim thi fact not that exist god premis assumpt that underli philosophi life come matter faith weren christian agnost suffici subject evid justifi and sustain relationship god thi matter premis and assumpt assum that life univers and materi that spiritu exist thi assumpt answer question appar spiritu find thi assumpt consist subsequ observat ion find that god fill spiritu cannot object prove differ appar fill imagin spiritu and real fill real spiritu can prove anoth person that spiritu seanna watson bell northern research prai that end live seanna bnr ottawa ontario canada philosophi and creed god will find peopl busi opinion opinion opinion plant tree and sow seed not bnr mine knew left fred kaan
soc.religion.christian	hell black sabbath articl apr geneva rutger edu jprzybyl skidmor edu jennif przybylinski write wrong wasn jeff fenholt part black sabbath plai jesu jesu christ superstar christian plai black sabbath save left link hudson
soc.religion.christian	answer thi question heard that account christ life and ministri gospel written year event year thi correct big time delai scriptur inspir god time write suppos import can curiou ivan thoma barr contact athmail causewai qub gospel aren date can guess luke prolog thing author describ process prolog sound luke gener and had investig tradit pass verbal that thing composit gospel debat reliabl tradit don statu scriptur scholar tend suggest that mark base peter sermon and written preserv peter had di die tradit matthew suggest that collect jesu word made earlier current gospel ancient world common reli verbal transmiss inform peopl prefer hear jesu directli had and even studi directli such person book suspect that gospel larg period peopl begin die scholar gener written materi earlier us sourc for exist gospel establish date complex and technic busi confess that not relianc put method us common that mark written and that gospel written end centuri peopl vari thi decad clh
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soc.religion.christian	rise articl geneva rutger edu parkin eng sun michael parkin write anoth issu import crucif will god tragic mistak tragic mistak god will can never accomplish disbelief man finish read good book will god weatherhead thi help appli thought subject will god weatherhead broke will god into distinct part intent will circumstanci will and ultim will weatherhead refut last statement michael parkin quit nice summar despit failur humankind god ultim will never defeat god intent interf even temporarili defeat will humankind brought circumst ultim will reconcil humankind will never stop time time weatherhead us cross descript thi process work point paraphras god intent will for jesu christ live full life and perform work live god failur sin and devious humankind frustrat god intent for son despit circumst god ultim will reveal cross jesu willingli not will lord di for redempt humankind cross utterli triumphant overcom even cruel circumst thi world build kingdom heaven earth desper want jewish peopl accept messiah crucif will god jesu prai that thi cup pass thi weak never men and women live for countri nobl jesu not knew crucif not will god not intent will god circumstanci will enabl victori ultim will god will that jewish peopl accept jesu messiah and that kingdom heaven establish earth jesu head intent will jewish peopl expect thi had happen year ago can you imagin kind world live todai world and that eactli god want men and women that ag save live messiah earth jesu establish sinless lineag that continu reign ascens spiritu world live god kingdom heaven earth will wait for christ return return will recogn and will find faith thi earth isn time for return almost year time place will return thief night peac rob legal mumbo jumbo follow thi mail post reflect opinion poster author and manner reflect corpor polici statement opinion express network system corpor
soc.religion.christian	articl apr geneva rutger edu lmvec westminst william hargreav write commit christian that battl problem that roman talk save faith not deed hebrew and jame that faith deed useless you fool you that believ delet opinion that you save faith alon not you taught roman can squar mind teach jame conjunct lukewarm christian spat can thi bother dear will never repli thi thing hope get had thought faith not accompani action dead jame faith belief and action that great swimmer never swim swimmer and will peopl that likewis christian never talk god christian faith demonstr action fact that talk god prove faith satan believ god not follow similar vein recent challeng john that come obei command find thi vers quit encourag impli that come obei command co live and cannot obei tend feel that daili submit ourself god will chang into like jesu and fruit and work will automat produc live hope thi help jame holland rcfec westminst
soc.religion.christian	hell black sabbath wrong wasn jeff fenholt part black sabbath major brother christ total chang life and and wife tour sing wit and spread gospel for christ wrong black sabbath similar band wasn that group jeff speak listen band black sabbath into sort satan stuff don mark dotsonm dmapub dma org
soc.religion.christian	hell articl apr geneva rutger edu tbrent ecn purdu edu timothi brent write state that not atheist not christian god recent discuss atheist and hell combin post anoth group effect you will hell interest consensu god judg men cathol told that jew buddhist etc heaven peopl not thi even atheist and pagan assum lump into thi categori hellbound you god can judg and not you for your opinion excel question timothi hpoe answer you will satisfactori can not understand mind god attempt answer you god bibl human relativli intend judg mankind test beleiv that jesu christ son god and that death and resurrect suffic serv justic for act commit that wrong ey god bibl call thi sin for die end world di complic explain laps clich god judg peopl baasi work thi world and minu system for god declar that can not toler spiritu imperfect can base your worthi live wrong your life good peopl even christian constantli sin god christian hoever god that christ life for sin penalti proscrib punish for sin death proscrib punish for robberi time jail god cannot for punish for sin not want condem bibl john that god not send son word condem that save realiz that sin and pain regular approach god and not hold thew sin that and privlig christ for jew promis that messiah come and di come jesu nazereth muslim fear lie fater li satan christ for don that view bibl stand olon defens you hell can not answer that for you can that perhap eaiser and answer can not hell that step reward stan tonei stonei oyster smcm edu opinion you borrow stai touch and ask question not god listen
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey recapitul bit essenc marriag two peopl commit each two peopl claim marri heart not will marriag recogn church and state that prima faci evid that commit isn obviou situat christian marriag civil church wed you strand desert island your state forbid marriag for unjust reason law interraci marriag legal concept common law marriag meant ensur that state will recogn marriag that not start usual ceremoni and record keep pastor concern that peopl not us marri god ey excus for live togeth formal wed duti marriag properli record and wit peopl wed ceremoni make genuin commit and not marri god ey michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi last statement danger long formal undertaken respons marriag moral oblig even intent not peopl involv marriag coven believ good faith that marriag occur oblig creat situat intent can marriag not exist classic exampl part plai except and clear parti clh
soc.religion.christian	assur hell previou articl lfoard hopper virginia edu lawrenc foard write you that jesu talk hell heaven you for thi info respect had for man diminish tenfold promis never wise love thi man hard time understand thi attitud gospel bit accur can doubt that jesu beliv hell realiti teacher wise and love thing peopl your audienc head warn cruel and sadist that such place exist and remain quiet scenario can envis dimish respect justifi jesu knew such place hell and spoke scare peopl you accus jesu thi encourag you reconsid love respons you perceiv danger dave weaver fool weaver chdasic sp mot cannot gain cannot lose jim elliot
soc.religion.christian	serbian genocid work god jame sledd jsledd ssdc sa upenn edu wrote serb work god hmm wonder question govern unit state and europ not move end ethnic cleans serb target muslim can god us not accomplish task for esp task that pun jame sledd cute sig work you suggest that god support genocid perhap german punish jew god behalf god work that indescrib evil and unworthi worship faith revdak netcom
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell for resurrect dead and life world come nicen constantinopolitan creed resurrect thi statement mean resurrect soul guess resurrect strictli mean rais physic bodi question thi point time you church you can check creed that apostl creed resurrect bodi learn that bodi bit soul thought that christian descent into hell pretti and that peopl burn hell will soul don exist that time risk offend will interject centuri point view christ descend immedi into bosom abraham set captiv captiv preach save for dai draw back thi earth expert thi part matthew death jesu tomb open and bodi saint had fallen asleep rais and come tomb resurrect enter holi citi and appear nab hell damn you speak christ not act abod dead don want subject brethren anguish will direct you contact mail you genuin concern will bodi will creat atom that bodi made will built scratch your bodi adam fate encount act tran vulgat fill infus knowledg absent concupisc and immort glorifi sinc will physic bodi assum will physic place exist thi hell center earth you find dig wouldn recommend hot center earth you normal geotherm gradient and that regard boundari catechist tenei que pensar que haya venido traer paz tierra venido traer paz sino guerra mateo vulgata latina
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu freenet carleton mark baker write ask you thing not visibl don thi believ blindli not not blind come into not deni reason insist reason draw conclus evid you decid advanc that your reason will act evid physic sens you cut reason possibl reach conclus physic sphere provoc inconclus conclus that physic sphere not explanatori your reli feel and experi sinc thi sourc inform left can you convinc that your feel and experi correct you can show visibl and measur effect experi that exist god and that leav sinc experi correct person realiti troubl feel and experi that can lead you astrai tragic outcom waco illustr that koresh follow believ that you and will agre that misl final earth you come conclus that physic sphere not explanatori you reli sens christian claim that receiv kind evid call faith and gift god that thi evid evid thing choos reveal hide evid sens cannot you such ting exist reason evid sens won christian reason evid faith and claim that thi evid wholli consist evid sens and that evid sens part god revel you definit evid that not familiar evid you can show unambigu that you true agre you that belief dieti matter faith not you can share experi independantli explain thi put belief matter experi impress that christian not monopoli reason evid and faith thing can previou articl ph vaxc monash edu you that scienc and reason cannot prove not us can faith alon and sinc can us faith pictur god hinduism valid anoth christian faith not oppos reason simpli sourc evid reason oper clear that human be system for explain evid physic sens and similarli system for explain evid provid faith religi believ gener and christian us reason sift evid come clearer understand evid provid faith scienc claim good reason valid system for explain physic univers and christian claim good reason valid system possess evid for explain god revel man risk repeat argument explain previous troubl that moslem buddhist jew etc will that claim good reason valid system possess evid for explain god revel man for buddhist read for explain exist god not you prove your case you disprov alt messian good place peopl strong belief faith and good reason you doubt that christian us reason read thi newsgroup for and you will ration debat aplenti that peopl can us reason never claim that don make that argument found that make blunder that expect peopl correct onc thi process remov essenti and contradictori bit hopefulli made progress truth mark baker task not cut jungl freenet carleton irrig desert lewi don low depart physic monash univers melbourn victoria australia
soc.religion.christian	for christian urbana illinoi apolog thi post isn for newsgroup correspond christian attend univers illinoi urbana champaign will transfer august complet and thought nice correspond peopl move steven schimmrich depart geolog scienc semper csc albani edu state univers york albani sunt quae albnyvm bitnet albani york videntur
soc.religion.christian	hell apr geneva rutger edu tim ask state that not atheist not christian god recent discuss atheist and hell combin post anoth group effect you will hell interest consensu god judg men cathol told that jew buddhist etc heaven peopl not thi even atheist and pagan assum lump into thi categori hellbound you god can judg and not you for your opinion thi simplist for john sau for god love world that gave son that believ not perish etern life genesi and abram believ lord and reckon righteous don find anywher that god restrict heaven ethnic group religi denomin categori that human drop peopl into requir that and trust hebrew that god spoke prophet testament last dai spoken son jesu christ and learn page testament bibl tell for never heard leav god capabl care will make desir behoov each act knowledg you reject claim jesu and heaven joke you reject and hell that joke will final gerri opinion express not necessarili employ
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu jason atlastel jason smith write law natur and effect dictat thi layman mind causal event reason altern exist big bang model suppos tempor singular point origin time for prior occur you want invent fabl for surround context fine fabl good prefer god that exist oppos singular that happen giant puce subspac iguana that fling univers tongu gob spit can law natur demand that isn true natur super natur genet code will deciph lifetim will not man convert inert materi into sustain reproduc life never prophet can even pictur york mind don technolog produc that spark life despit part opinion your opinion and wrong assembl molecul produc inert matter and spontan mutat into rapidli assembl form exposur ultraviolet light abiogenesi and begin evolut todai thi natur earli last year biolog vital dead and dead for year give life not spark life organ system pois chao and order king return jason your king baldli and repeatedli state back lifetim present and aliv and messiah nineteen nineti year anno domini max webb watch thi close had discuss etc not long ago not for replai detail discuss point max bring initi singular geometri big bang interest time turn into space clh
soc.religion.christian	lose your temper not christian trait articl apr atho rutger edu ruthless panix ruth ditucci come long line hot temper peopl temper tale sign fruit that give christian net repli acrid angri and sarcast hope that you not suggest that person repli acrid angri and sarcast manner that thi demonstr christian simpl fact that not christian face planet that that perfect time fit temper sulk thi not make christian point christian perceiv becom christ thi statement inher suggest that not christ jesu never unright lost temper jesu perfect not net villag laugh two profess born christian verbal attack peopl won christian and had origin join discuss spiritu hungri answer question sweet and sincer chrisitan net warrior flame queri you understand that thi christian forget treat role model christ thi human and falibl for not pretend infal and hope that fellow men will bear make mistak thi sure not make effort bear you don enemi you greatest harm and don foolish foolish foolish human brethren thi duticci valid point and christian heed warn articl oftim discredit ourselv and saviour that treat strive goal set lord meantim rememb condemn for christ you blow easi forgiv your father heaven forgiv you and rememb and thi firmli beiev and cling dai face face and that dai final perfect forward you rrrrr bbbbb robert pomeroi rrrr bbbbb teach keel bbbbb you want draw attent mail direct don read new pp offend thi articl beg your forgiv advanc
soc.religion.christian	hell black sabbath articl apr geneva rutger edu salari niblick ecn purdu edu rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbit wrote jeff fenholt claim onc roadi for black sabbath never musician band loui month back poster christian bookstor frequent turn address homosexu prostitut drug addict alcohol and headbang that show long hair and black leather jacket felt pre judg jeff fenholt speak and didn find judgement that word for that add inappropri that headbang program not put headbang class alchol etc condescend and that jeff wear black fenholt plai jesu jesu christ superstar person headbang time hard time secular metal group promot free sex and drug opinion that promot aren thing found good christian metal group that jon jon ogden jono mac rtsg mot motorola cellular advanc product divis voic data drew circl and shut heret rebel thing flout love and had wit win drew circl and
soc.religion.christian	lose your temper not christian trait articl apr geneva rutger edu jcj tellab jcj wrote remind peopl wither fig tree and jesu drive monei changer templ two instanc christ show anger part human side and paul angri and sin not not sun your wrath ephesian can angri sin jon jon ogden jono mac rtsg mot motorola cellular advanc product divis voic data drew circl and shut heret rebel thing flout love and had wit win drew circl and
soc.religion.christian	harrass work us prayer email thi appli peopl post work thi compani for year engin job femal yesterdai count and realiz that occas sexual harrass thi compani dread come back work todai boss come kind question your boss person bring problem not action higher and higher sexual harrass not toler and can enorm emot support discuss thi and that you feel you can not discuss thi your boss perhap your compani personnel depart that can work for you preserv your privaci compani will want deal thi problem constant anxieti affect effect employe job unclear your letter you thi not not inconceiv that manag remain ignor employe problem strife even year miracl notic perhap your manag not bring attent higher up compani want ignor entir problem state agenc will fight you check lawyer women resourc center etc find you want discuss thi your paster priest husband etc that you will not judgement and that support comfort etc thi will bring lot heal return find that singl person had left for lunch left bother call build even number post thi happen lot peopl honest due gross insensit feel you peopl offic tend insensit work hustl stress had thi happen lot didn realiz car broken etc will come back and didn want thi tend make stop angri and make laugh onc boss pai for lunch for thi reason hope good moder thi latest indulg you can turn comput for support sign comput ag close don hate action singl person harm you playground bulli and enjoi hurt and you not accept opinion imbecil that you worthless wiser peopl hold you great esteem darin johnson djohnson ucsd edu luxuri dai had make byte swap
soc.religion.christian	christian that not church member year met christian not associ local church and not member local church thi issu that person import bibl thi and can encourag friend regard thi issu gari chin staff engin sun microsystem view gchin eng sun
soc.religion.christian	hell tbrent ecn purdu edu timothi brent write state that not atheist you exist creator assum not christian god recent discuss atheist and hell combin post anoth group effect you will hell interest consensu god judg men cathol told that jew buddhist etc heaven peopl not thi even atheist and pagan assum lump into thi categori hellbound you god can judg and not you for your opinion god disclaim reserv judg individu case love serv justic don worri jew athiest heaven hell for that god judg you concern you worri abput refus satisfi god decre keep straight you that wrong discuss and explor make summari judgement peopl free will choos for don forc choic inform choic god will care rest justic tim mohammad khan khan nova gmi edu juli send mail mkhan nyx edu
soc.religion.christian	bibl unsuit for christian new cbnewsk att write true read peter peter warn that scriptur hard understand not learn subject inspar miracl fit reader bibl and ran time life and can you that drift faith book not expos joe moor mohammad khan khan nova gmi edu juli send mail mkhan nyx edu
soc.religion.christian	commit christian that battl problem that roman talk save faith not deed hebrew and jame that faith deed useless you fool you that believ stuff delet opinion that you save faith alon not you taught roman can squar mind teach jame conjunct lukewarm christian spat can thi bother receiv ton mail peopl repli thi articl wrote and time give hand help and affirm alot theori that held unsur god bless you will dalla cowboi world champion
soc.religion.christian	work god desire bradlei desire bradlei mindlink wrote sundai sermon joshua israelit jericho and proce massacr for rahab had shelter spi report bosnia mind felt uncomfort minist that massacr joshua bother that take christian shouldn troubl report ethnic cleans bosnia sympathi shouldn moslim that bosnian muslim descend christian turkish rule convert islam serb god work perhap whether ethnic cleans love kill act kill reflect attitud god send rain and unjust not christian uncomfort jesu gave follow law love follow and exhibit thi that discipl will doctrin polit correct not standard don christian move serb ancestor convert christian islam that christian you troubl ethnic cleans peac scott shalkowski scott art uwa edu
soc.religion.christian	nation dai prayer thi annual time prayer organ focu famili organ you not heard your christian radio station your local church call and give you inform citi san francisco bai area local coordin organ time and place meet prai san francisco oakland berkelei san jose peopl will meet each citi citi hall last year attend mountain view citi hall quiet and meaning time prayer gari chin staff engin sun microsystem view gchin eng sun
soc.religion.christian	hell black sabbath apr geneva rutger edu jprzybyl skidmor edu write wrong wasn jeff fenholt part black sabbath major brother christ total chang life and ozzi osbourn singer and main charact black sabbath good ol dai past and devout cathol heard alt rock roll metal newsgroup figur folk oughta disclaim great young and insan
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian follow god blindli you ask physic blind person follow ey dog answer quit simpl dog can and blind person cannot you cannot trust sens whether and hear god truth lie that faith save forc ourselv that god truth and love share even defi creat not love thi world you learn differenti illus and realiti your you wouldn reli doctrin that updat experi christian year that christian seek answer clergymen direct experi spiritu matter and that question can answer simpl introspect peopl suspect that cannot trust sens step figur that can trust not esoter that religion christian includ found intuit peopl understand thi stuff delet for you can convert you you choos follow god your will you follow christian share you love receiv god you reject that accept your decis offer open you you want find can suggest you prai for faith read bibl and ask christian experi person and origin poster pixi never convert make sens that major human for that matter hell for etern christian make sens that convert centuri doctrin that hold life for that simpli continu decid for you christian reli clergi reason hope you not protest emphas convers experi holi spirit and us bibl thi intend make that christian religi experi and that basi judg claim clergi and christian can speak for cathol and orthodox attempt avoid member simpli repeat told admit that thi isn success young peopl join church that ag parent expect member quit and will make judgement for and commit that come experi natur usenet that doctrin disagr emphas spend time deal doctrin that not experi christian live clh
soc.religion.christian	daili vers articl apr atho rutger edu petch gvg gvg tek chuck petch write wisdom gold choos understand silver proverb and amen that chuck for share can serv two master god and monei precious god lord and savior valuabl millionair will scott
soc.religion.christian	question christian ofm respond queri refer work commentari you want introduct book intend for us undergradu bibl cours give histor background discuss literari style etc and gener good bibligraphi for read typic recommend kee froehlich and young introduct two intro introduct mmel translat strandard text refer slightli date and style somewhat dens book contain wealth inform perrin and dule intro good somewhat modern mmel not quit dens pack author tend book histor order composit thi perspect develop good volum commentari recommend dai harper bibl commentari slight dissent harper not great problem that pretti skimpi bibliograph materi feel that for quick up not real for studi depth copi offic work coupl book thi titl book thi exact titl jame mai gener editor harper and row recal older seri name harper commentari separ harper bibl dictionari comment appli hbd favorit volum commentari jerom biblic commentari njbc cathol focu and somewhat bias reader can decid for whether pluse minus case scholarship and larg excel note njbc complet rework updat version jerom biblic commentari copi can found sale nichael
soc.religion.christian	god shape hole accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu johnsd rpi edu dan johnson write empti spot god shape hole heart eas pain heard thi claim quit time god shape hole busi pascal descart us thi figur speech vagu recollect read essai couldn for todd smith tsmith stanford edu
soc.religion.christian	can sin block prayer articl apr atho rutger edu qucdn queensu write heard interest notion that sin can block prayer god god will not hear prayer not confess sin total support confess sin god simpli not god will shut not confess thi kind idea that suffer caus sin job reader will realiz simpilist rest delet can father possibl not hear word children hear your prayer whether you sinner saint question real question you ask sin block hear answer and answer that question resound paraphras gospel call choos listen and prayer christ jame jame hale lincoln school health scienc comput unit trobe univers bundoora australia jame hale latrob edu grace god rest gentli forgiv ey and speak behold can evil noth world fear and text
soc.religion.christian	daili vers love each deepli love cover multitud sin ipet
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu freenet carleton mark baker write good and reason statement author delet atheist posit that author thi reason assert lead practic difficulti you reject author hand you reject possibl receiv inform atheist posit can never possibl chang falsifi and unscintif thi not true athiest posit that proof exist god peopl accept church priest straight scriptur proof thi not satisfi atheist atheist recognis author dogmat you claim prove time disput that church priest scriptur etc repres true author and truth demand scintif ration proof god exist deni god exist sinc scienc reason can natur prove you ask blindli you deni that part that make question god exist awar and reason not us abil reason becom ignor anim thi earth god want that you that scienc and reason cannot prove not us can faith alon and sinc can us faith pictur god hinduism valid anoth christian mark baker task not cut jungl freenet carleton irrig desert lewi don low depart physic monash univers melbourn victoria australia
soc.religion.christian	ancient book articl apr atho rutger edu mayn scri fsu edu bill mayn write articl apr atho rutger edu miner kuhub ukan edu write atheist convert argument thi excel question and anxiou such case doubt mediev period esp cent aquina flourish argument tool knew rule todai you can count peopl know even basic logic rhetor good argument indistinguish poor last sentenc iron sinc reader soc religion christian not embarrass apologist such josh mcdowel and lewi haven discuss peopl feel that lewi excel apologist and reason for embarrass you that error and flaw argument reason for dismiss thinker you dismiss thinker descart kant philosophi will introduc you weak express odd sens histori make you mass aquina dai illiter knew rhetor and logic peopl todai write period elev that cream crop speak read and write mediev period knew rule matter uncrit accept told noth mass compar mass dai and aquina dai odd read ortega gasset thi talk familiar experi argu night and win logic and evid discov your oppon unawar even intuit thing entail alon pragmat assum that parti colleg graduat don bother ken miner kuhub ukan edu can explain opinion chesterton
soc.religion.christian	question christian steven hoskin bach udel edu wrote thi newsgroup and fairli christian realiz ignor bibl and quit possibl christian hold true thi rectifi read bibl help read good interpret commentari bibl relev aspect christian faith question can recommend good read list theolog work intend for lai person recommend mcdowel evid that demand verdict book and manfr brauch hard sai paul hard sai jesu focu for christian struggl faith and encourag histor evid come background emphas knowabl faith scott dittman email sdittman wlu edu univers registrar talk fax washington and lee univers snail mail lexington virginia
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey articl apr atho rutger edu randerso acad sah uth tmc edu robert anderson write your opinion thi exactli engag coupl becom marri god ey not unwil public marriag ceremoni will not distinguish real logist problem strand desert island excus such wait for and brother come back armi can ceremoni michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	proof resurect jsledd ssdc sa upenn edu jame sledd write final proof resurrect christ spirit communion and father matter faith belief logic proof inced largest stumbl block for ration western man includ hope that thi spirit intend and not reject resurrect occur beleiv want point weak logic proof term us load logic proof extrem messi thing appli real life you construct proof that yesterdai happen read thi for and rememb that happen proof proof start axiom and you axiom talk logic proof you can that you rememb yesterdai and that you axiom that you rememb happen counterclaim that you hallucin thing talk proof histor event you relax term bit you can show evid not proof evid resurrect jesu exist proof not christian flame resurrect disprov that thi will not happen evid for resurrect quit good thing not fair claim that you can resurrect faith reason that appeal mind
soc.religion.christian	question christian repli pwhite empro articl apr atho rutger edu bach udel edu steven hoskin write anoth question not affili congreg matter tast criteria us choos church don differ protest denomin america peopl tend choos church choos car countri club mean that cultur such that tend satisfi thing mind and not make prayer initi and primari part decis process peopl tend treat church club and like anoth that scriptur present idea that god take perspect church choos process cor that god doesn subscrib idea choos church that place bodi question not choos church figur god place person instrument lead you christ church logic choic you born into famili god peopl hop church church hop natur famili famili you met lord your speak not easili identifi church for starter you orphan prayerfulli and leav doorstep and anyplac feel home wouldn expect that god want place you church you difficulti fit peopl hand perfect church you attitud for problem you will find and make hand you attitud love and committ you will spread that wherev you gener that god will place you church that talk lord that you come and expand that base peter white disclaim written necessarili reflect view compani phil want christ and power resurrect and fellowship share niv suffer death
soc.religion.christian	god love you articl apr atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org jayn kulikauska write uncomfort tract gener innappropri emphasi hell god deserv love and worship not idea frighten peopl into accept christ and jayn read gospel and topic that jesu spoke hell figur larg time heaven paul learn thess taught believ and church eschatolog and not hesit teach hell and damnat rev chapter specif and cannot allegor word throne us time rev and that unbeliev come receiv assign sever judgement for john read that judg rom speak that mouth will shut recours excus defens evangel combin live that show god love put into word and explain that love preach gospel live gospel noisi gong clang cymbal agre you life pendulum swing extrem stop moder extrem hell fire brimston preacher extrem hell not talk for fear offend someon sensibl forget found word life ministri rememb tell stori small town hardwar store and man point tell that didn satan hell believ heaven thi point that man ask prai god that send children hell man wouldn point made peopl don hell not will place faith that doesn exist thi man had prai prayer hell didn exist and fear prayer answer and walk will never us illustr includ watch basketbal bull game and blatant foul that isn call vei that ref that didn make that call unfair and life righteous demand payment surgeon take knife hand cut cancer god cut that creation preach gospel rich includ fact that you reject and truth and life broad distruct question you christian you afraid hell respond god love fall repent isn turn turn jesu us ministri can sure that love truth assuredli thought write thi topic not and that good reason for exist and etern god light love love boundari holi digniti man man robot respons creatur respons account aw sin todai poor poor concept sin god christ will die and offer avenu whosoev will rex
soc.religion.christian	major view triniti frank permiss ad inform and case chang order contribut order clarifi histor relationship view comment base primarili william rusch histor summari trinitarian controversi fortress save thi faq clh major view triniti second centuri writer cent import set context for discuss justin martyr aristid athenagora tatian and theophilu antioch apologist theologi describ logo theologi base strongli word john two phase approach etern logo father mind thought thi imman word express god reveal histori ultim jesu jesu full distinct father visibl histori logo had present god etern rusch regard thi view contain emphas final orthodox posit form sophist not technic languag properli deal etern plural godhead irenaeu held view somewhat similar apologist uncomfort two stage approach view god personag distinct that not becom fulli visibl process revel economi distinct present essenti natur irenaeu emphas holi spirit apologist irenaeu view call econom trinitarian that term us below refer develop centuri clh dynam monarchian sourc theodotu adher paul samosota artemon socinu modern unitarian percept god essenc uniti god denot on natur and on person son and holi spirit consubstanti father divin essenc imperson attribut divin dunami man jesu not god strict sens word percept god subsist notion subsist god palpabl imposs sinc perfect uniti perfectli indivis divers god appar and not real sinc christ event and work holi spirit attest dynam oper god not hypostat union asign deiti etern father uniqu origin univers etern exist and begin end son virtuou finit man life god dynam present uniqu christ not deiti human deifi holi spirit imperson attribut godhead deiti etern ascrib holi spirit critic elev reason wit biblic revel triniti categor deni deiti christ and holi spirit therebi undermin theolog undergird for biblic doctrin salvat summari thi thought not trinitarian god undifferenti son and holi spirit simpli name for man jesu and grace god activ church clh modalist monarchian sourc praxea adher noatu sabelliu swedenborg scleiermach unit pentecost jesu percept god essenc uniti god ultra simplex qualit character essenc natur and person thi essenc design interchang father son and holi spirit name for ident unifi simplex god name mode god reveal percept god subsist concept subsist god erron and confound real issu phenomenon god modalist manifest paradox subsist on refut recogn that god not person person name and role anoth part drama asign deiti etern father fulli god and fulli etern primal mode manifest uniqu and unitari god son full deiti etern ascrib sens anoth mode god and ident essenc god manifest tempor sequenc specif role incarn holi spirit etern god tile design phase god tempor sequenc manifest pursuant role regener and sanctif critic deperson godhead compens for trinitarian defici thi view propound idea that heret concept success manifest godhead cannot account for such simultan appear person christ baptism rusch comment that evid belief sketchi two slightli group includ noetu and follow and sabelliu noetu appar extrem sabelliu and attempt us featur econom trinitarian creat sophist view inform sabelliu come centuri and confus and marcellu ancyra clh move descript centuri view origin appear end clh econom trinitarian sourc hippolytu tertullian adher neo econom trinitarian percept god essenc godhead character triuniti father son and holi spirit manifest ident indivis substanc perfect uniti and consubstanti comprehend such manifest triadic deed creation and redempt percept god subsist subsist godhead articul mean such term distinct and distribut dispel effect notion separ divis asign deiti etern equal deiti father son and holi spirit elucid observ simultan relat oper featur godhead etern time not intellig surfac thi ambigu view logic implic critic tent and ambigu treatment relat aspect triniti note that thi develop apologist and irenaeu mention threeness visibl primarili wai that god reveal histori that thi manifest plural that present godhead begin tertullian talk father son and holi spirit that substanc peopl regard thi view essenti orthodox develop philosoph categori clh origen develop approach start clement attempt appli neo platon christian thought set term come battl platon fashion see son mediat mediat absolut god and plural creat be son gener etern gener that relationship father and son etern cannot that onc not phrase that will haunt discuss for centuri son intrins concept god father and son describ separ hypostas thi not quit mean separ subsist that had context union love and action reason that us term homoousio substanc holi spirit activ person substanc origin father son origen intent trinitarian not tritheist push thing direct separ fourth centuri clh subordination call arian clh sourc ariu major adher modern jehovah wit and lesser cult percept god essenc inher on god natur properli identifi father son and holi spirit discreet entiti not share divin essenc percept god subsist uniperson essenc god preclud concept divin subsist godhead threeness on contradictori and violat biblic principl monotheist god asign deiti etern father unbegotten god etern and begin son creat and not etern vener not divin essenc holi spirit nonperson nonetern eman father view influenc express god deiti not ascrib critic varianc abund scriptur testimoni respect deiti christ and holi spirit hierarchi concept likewis assert essenti separ person regard father christ and holi spirit thi result total confus soteriolog note that version thi view son not fulli human supernatur and sinless that distinguish thi view adoption clh orthodox trinitarian sourc athanasiu adher basil gregori nyssa gregori nazianzu augustin thoma aquina luther calvin contemporari orthodox christian percept god essenc god perfectli unifi and simplex essenc thi essenc deiti held common father son and holi spirit person consubstanti coinher equal and etern percept god subsist divin subsist occur mode hypostas such godhead exist undivid divid person thi view contempl ident natur and cooper function denial distinct person godhead asign deiti etern final distil thi view unhesitatingli set father son and holi spirit equal and etern godhead regard divin essenc and function critic shortcom limit inher human languag and thought imposs total describ ineff mysteri on cent approach fit descript and regard orthodox somewhat detail nicea origin held respond ariu ariu can thought carri origen thought bit point make son separ entiti gener east tend approach base origen and hard accept nicea east final accept base work athanasiu cappadocian gregori nyssa and gregori nazianzu start show that uniti natur and and action such that singl god thi allow council constantinopl wide agreement idea hypostates and ousia clh adapt chart christian theologi and doctrin wayn hous frank wish contend not answer time thousand job
soc.religion.christian	love europ reader love europ congress germani thi juli michael davi mcd brunel
soc.religion.christian	work god desire bradlei desire bradlei mindlink ask whether serb god work bosnia refrain post hope that familiar answer thi point feel thing thi post bother not slightest suggest that christian us forc propag gospel and idea that not concern death moslem violat heart gospel christ di break distinct jew greek slave free male femal moslem not preach don kill attack state not religion christian attack town attack place christian and moslem live togeth peacefulli preced suggest fact two thing allud entri into canaan for that parallel for god promis thi land prophet and war holi war tight constraint behavior attack violat like israelit defeat rape not toler account joshua emphas town that total destroi note that for town make peac israelit and that onc that even decept involv expect honor contrast violat agreement thi incid evid that god grant bosnia serb promis land and had behavior disqualifi thi holi war parallel israel defeat assyria and babylonia prophet thi judgement israel for sin ask whether shouldn thi judgement bosnian for sin thi sound replai claim that shouldn doctor hospit ill god judgement even bad thing us god for good that includ action bad peopl that doesn justifi you read prophet you find clear that attack israel assyrian and babylonian act unintent agent god intent attack god peopl and judg for fact that carri god plan didn excus action shouldn conclud thi that attack judgement god god explicitli interpret that case prophet not send prophet bosnia find hard good current fight god will eventu make good come bad that doesn justifi and won save peopl judgement concern implic thi issu current tension west and moslem orient nation not for moslem conclud that christian kill moslem implic for mid east and even relat american moslem quit
soc.religion.christian	daili vers will you faith deed show your faith deed and will show you faith jame
soc.religion.christian	christian friend name joel sister birthdai tomorrow us fire for lord for reason cold don want associ anymor christian friend thought you send postcard card messag encourag hand written address hobart av san jose you and god bless jesu christ lord qualm post thi you want engag bit convers joel delug doesn expect card clh
soc.religion.christian	hell black sabbath articl apr geneva rutger edu salari niblick ecn purdu edu rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbit write lyric sinc whenev approach judgement pharisit evangel fundamentalist throw bibl long hair wear black leather jacket and listen black sabbath throw back show that import evil world battl rock lyric show that not evangel fundamentalist pharisit wear black leather jacket classic rock longer long lock onc had reli bibl basi for christian ethic fundamentalist evangel rex
soc.religion.christian	commit christian that battl problem that roman talk save faith not deed hebrew and jame that faith deed useless you fool you that believ stuff delet opinion that you save faith alon not you taught roman can squar mind teach jame conjunct lukewarm christian spat can thi bother will lot discuss thi will make case and you for grace save faith and that not gift god not work man boast ephesian god grace and faith that save not save love command john keep christ command work per and demonstr love for spake thi parabl man had fig tree plant vineyard and and sought fruit thereon and found dresser vineyard behold year come seek fruit thi fig tree and find cut cumbereth ground and answer lord alon thi year till dig and dung and bear fruit and not that thou shalt cut luke not chosen chosen you and ordain you that and bring fruit and that your fruit remain that whatsoev father name give you john clear vers that call bring fruit that fruit paul speak fruit spirit love joi peac patienc etc thing that manifest action that carri person claim jesu christ not thing christ command dare that don faith ask import faith work ask blade pair scissor import ask leg your pant import good work come and result faith faith true faith christ requir you command parabl speak allegor person bear fruit christ command action and don action and produc fruit uproot tree dead and useless faith action action prove faith and show genuin can sit and talk for dai fact that faith abil jump build and not hit ground word can sit and you dai long that faith abil fly don that faith will jump roof and test word and talk mean noth and give scriptur and peopl want will thi suffici hope help jon sig file broken
soc.religion.christian	messiah articl geneva rutger edu desire bradlei mindlink desire bradlei write miss post waco david koresh and second come second come real thing person claim insan fruit messiah come build kingdom heaven earth come reveal root origin sin fallen natur and provid mean cut connect that origin sin creat world peac base godism messiah teach will build foundat bibl provid profound insight into natur god fall man purpos creation and god provid restor will provid foundat for uniti world religion christian expect jesu come liter cloud miss return jewish peopl miss jesu year ago wait for come jewish peopl that ag expect elijah come jesu that john baptist elijah john baptist deni that elijah thi reflect jesu prison john even question jesu come for anoth book matthew not that david koresh second come christ break word second come koresh promis that come compound allow give radio broadcast didn that fool peopl david koresh didn even come close problem that peopl thi make difficult for peopl and trust real messiah show and meagr knowledg bibl that christian hard jew christ dai for cautiou accept that religi author didn accept messiah surpris that had discuss difficulti want earli recogn second come time not want credul believ claim god good point and perhap import point for christian recogn second come messiah not claim god set messiah apart that born origin sin not born perfect achiev perfect period growth adam and ev born sinless fell and thi tragedi meant that god thousand year creat kingdom heaven earth god origin intend god restor provid not complet messiah true son god god god repres earth not god god mark and you christ not mark and will son man come cloud great power and glori understand jesu answer that unlik come veil second come will quit unmistak koresh public statement not clear that claim christ thi world claim messiah mike
soc.religion.christian	witch and wiccan your opinion student eau clair paper witch and want your point view will not us you name you specif answer thi question christian you offend witch and wiccan you feel that tehi pagan evil sens word you time and cooper appreci thi survei conduct partial fulfil requir for engl taught karen welch univers wisconsin eau clair thi complianc certif requir univers institut review board for protect human subject complianc reason method for choos sampl clh
soc.religion.christian	assur hell articl apr geneva rutger edu lfoard hopper virginia edu lawrenc foard write and mail repli letter that atheist not doctrin hell noth preacher put fear into ignor man god hadn creat hell place die and save isn bit paradox god di fact such thing remot can infinit die your centuri concept interpret centuri writer your termonolog god not ceas exist that not death mean scriptur you will studi word you will that signifi separ death separ not ceastat thi reason for agoni cross for time etern member godhead separ two onc met young ladi that beauti model that live person saint imagin becom girlfriend for year draft separ distanc that form death decid that couldn wait for come home and bid adu that death separ that had made death separ and etern death etern separ fellowship not chose send you into outer dark you chose you that jesu talk hell heaven you for thi info respect had for man diminish tenfold promis never wise love thi man rebel earthli father spank found wisdom that had grown older and had children guid hurt that enter life continu suicid love interpret harsh and unlov god warn impend danger that love choos and end rule that harsh you conscienc matter calus fallen that wit you that thing wrong and that for fear jesu allegedli god doubt honestli feel pinprick man dealt thi give light error your understand correct knowledg order correct faith faith and knowledg insepar jesu felt pinprick life scriptur heb for not high priest cannot sympath weak tempt thing sin kenosi passag phil state that gave godhead attribut human favorit medit mine thi phd thesi conscious christ talk length great peopl thi interest studi includ clh concluss that jesu member triniti suffer part human race and experienc grew knowledg chose not grasp omnisci chose taught understand that led spirit such extent that sometim hard distinquish jesu man and jesu god adulter women thrown tens quit clear that situat surpris that not awar that thi event place time live sequenti histori you time can discuss thi lengthi discuss and that curcuit breaker brain pop not for info you friend and start freethink organ and us info you provid for organ intro duction onc member that club free thinker gloriou ideal contrast you that believ unforun repositori that dogmat inhibit reactionari and repress find such stanc amus absurd liber humanist wish critic christian buddhist marxist that not pretend that led thi sole ration doubt fact led faith acknowledg that ration doubt for free thinker critic christian equal ration doubt for christian critic humanist faith can dout faith cannot choos cast doubt faith pascal point that sceptic argument posit posit speak dubious sceptic fact that skeptic not skeptic skeptic evid that doubt person skeptic faith even faith will devot adher anoth fact measur poverti that unawar and that can defin neg term term theist peopl claim and argu vocifer for complet skeptic campu ministri ran across thi time care rememb disprov argument thought word point logic that us moment share commun speak total skeptic insist make sens eloqu testimoni assumpt that power silent that that complet skeptic imposs and limit skeptic arbitrari time you room skeptic yell your fly undon each person choos skeptic and believ skeptic stress thi belabor obviou underlin point that can exhaust pure objectiv myth and complet skeptic impossibl answer thi impass li know base presupposit knowledg proce presuppos prove cover blown pretent critic doubt and critic doubt depend idea that human knowledg total object and neutral word anoth myth presupposit friend imposs doubt not doubt assumpt presuppost even can criticez basi assumpt presuppostiton silent partner thought silenc not mistaken for absenc you god condemn for honest unworthi worship burn hell serv tyrant heaven that origin statement milton coin had us for millenia even us highland movi your presupt base faulti knowledg charact god you oper presupposit premis humanist theologi not reveal histori prophet word and lastli son you reject god annoint savior reject correct understand rex
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr geneva rutger edu ph vaxc monash edu write geologist wrong and peopl warn exist danger analog can push argument side melinda and assum premis us set your respect analog true and correct conclus will aris import point note direct side come christian truth and and duti truth christian can offend not evid truth christian not thi truth and offend christian claim truth analog not depend premiss true question discuss not truth arrog similar analog medic doctor believ that blood transfus save life child parent jehovah wit and conscienti object blood transfus doctor effort persuad agre blood transfus perceiv arrog precis christian perceiv arrog truth belief that blood transfus save life child irrelev matter that doctor believ true and foce belief parent and thi perceiv arrog steve hay depart missiolog editori depart univ south africa box pretoria south africa internet hayesstw risc unisa fidonet steve hay fidonet org faq missiolog studi christian mission and part faculti theologi unisa
soc.religion.christian	src dlecoint garnet acn fsu edu dariu lecoint write find interest that cl never answer question pose make statement make shudder establish two tier god set rule for jew peopl and anoth set for save gentil peopl god discrimin jew accept jesu live gentil rule god set rule for peopl paul never law fact repeatedli that faith establish that annul law paul point german jew and greek law can never us instrument salvat and not combin ceremoni and moral law matt christ plainli and you that for jew benefit your christ politician speak side mouth paul not learn christ forget theologi jesu your excus will not hold court law earth god judgement hall pardon for confus begin your second paragraph you god set rule for peopl end paragraph you declar not combin ceremoni and moral law not not understand bibl you find declar that law ceremoni and moral unclear whether you bad set law place bad set law can ceremoni law that moral law and vice versa interest your comment passag cor paul teach rule for cover you head prai depend whether you man woman you apostl can prescrib set rule for men and women not for jew and gentil paul oppos circumcis gentil voluntarili circumcis timothi mark
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss articl apr geneva rutger edu clh write you christian paulin not you paul correct word jesu doubt mind sin and not not thi case jesu not deal explicitli question whether law bind gentil dissolv even smallest command and teach will lowest kingdom ski command and teach will great kingdom ski mat gau you you not assum that sinc jesu didn that word appli jew that appli human be irregardless race sex not assum that even jesu not mention your name jesu talk directli you that cite evid such jesu dealt centurion gener jewish view thi depend larg studi paulin theologi schoep and author can come moment author jew christian and christian jew discuss issu and newsgroup mat clear that law valid not that appli gentil that appli you you and that specif requir for worship sabbath ten command ceremoni detail you oblig gentil jp rememb sabbath dai and holi six dai you labor and your work seventh dai sabbath lord your god you not work you your son daughter your male femal slave your cattl stranger your settlement for six dai lord made heaven and earth and sea and that and rest seventh dai lord bless sabbath dai and hollow note specif requir for worship for not bold call vers ceremoni detail similarli circumcis don christian practic circumcis not quit can thi subject unfortun jesu didn answer question directli unfortun that jesu didn us your name directli jesu you cent jewish approach jesu dealt gentil and jesu discipl dealt issu acut refer act paul that agreement don that big problem you don problem perhap paul close roman gau short pursu end peac and build each don dietari consider undo work god clean evil for person eat offens spirit not eat meat drink wine your brother offend for faith that you that and god person luck doesn condemn for sampl hand person doubt eat guilti isn act faith and failur act faith sin christian specif jewish christian group and sabbatarian small group not practic circumcis religi ground countri for suppos health reason not heard argu that biblic command clh
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr geneva rutger edu caralv caralv auto trol carol alvin write vbv eeap cwru edu virgilio dean velasco write hold that scriptur true discern exactli jesu paul and compani not easi don that paul that women behav that that circumst time women speak avoid volubl and cover head thi maintain proper wit rememb that number relativist statement can deriv absolut for instanc absolut for christian strive for peac thi not rule maintain world peac resort violenc occas opinion agre that truth scriptur principl learn claim that that truth absolut impli liter read bibl absolut truth constant across time cultur etc interpret strongli disagre that absolut truth not requir interpret that truth absolut not obviou thing truth subject misinterpret strongli suspect that reach impass deign comment bibl preach absolut truth exactli truth sometim matter confus bibl preach absolut truth sometim fundament principl crystal clear evangel thi arrog come plai sinc principl crystal clear evangel rest word for isn crystal clear that fundament principl fundament principl hold never that christian cannot arrog christian src stress thi trap that christian wari thi not mean that you absolut establish bibl you necessarili arrog christian can that word god absolut not expect thi immedi evid that your posit bibl absolut truth prone error interpret cannot reliabl determin figur that truth that not quit you that stanc cannot reliabl determin true that not that fallibl human be cannot discern truth certainti distinct subtl import scientist perform experi can claim that result reliabl claim that absolut mistak whatsoev made word can admit that mistaken sacrif convict can establish absolut truth certainti centuri philosoph argu can complet certainti and cannot descart made step direct utter cogito ergo sum not advanc that you that peopl you exist you that comput termin you exist can you absolut that you not grand illus you such assur thi not mean that for practic purpos you can that exist christian matur christian deep convict absolut moral acknowledg that probabl that wrong thi not mean that abandon absolut point spend thi time claim and defend absolut truth can never truth and can never shouldn act practic differ can thi make can never absolut that correct thi not mean that cannot light evid render doubt unreason virgilio dean velasco depart electr eng and appli physic cwru graduat student roboticist train and wannabe bullwinkl that man intimid refere boss not doesn jewish carpent
soc.religion.christian	question author despit trendi liber feminist tendenc and fact that basic agre you will rebut nanci sweeti write chri mussack write for peopl insist question author author sometim peopl evil thing peopl follow order tortur and kill larg number and protest innoc basic question suppos thi true situat that come peopl not and follow impuls claim that danger author site sexual transmit diseas drug abus manner crimin activ save and loan scandal car accid egg thrown hous exampl peopl not author easili argu that evil exampl you gave problem leader not author and want top chain li search your author start tell you thing you question for situat press shut hatch submarin fill water reason author give justif that you can understand don simpl you claim press ambigu recycl not realiz that kid despit precoci tire constant lack understand tremend knowledg impart listen author answer ahh iron end ironi impli initi pithi retort bumper sticker clich question author that question author person tell question author segment societi that find mean rebel forsak for sake freedom question integr and fortitud anoth freedom that come task correctli peopl level develop area part challeng life find author follow can learn skill subject will follow teacher perhap blindli learn question question develop skill challeng onc stage you told question author perhap you shouldn chri mussack good comedian never explain joke
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian read carol respons and had into thi vers not subject interpret peter timothi and galatian base fact that jesu word incarn and judg peopl follow act and john and that reject jesu teach judg word spoke john jesu word true and not interpret god judg base word had interpret joe fisher
soc.religion.christian	cell church discuss group articl apr geneva rutger edu reid uiuc edu jon reid write begin mail discuss group cell church you defin cell church miss past thi brought joe fisher
soc.religion.christian	religi war articl apr geneva rutger edu fraseraj dc glasgow andrew fraser write you that religion caus war bother that cannot find satisfactori respons thi religion peac and love religi war thi question ask group deal econom answer that war econom observ past year and not withstand histori read besid that religi differ plai part conflict race econom and item that identifi group men anoth want couch conflict christian term put christ di for sin sinner individu assum christlik natur not even come close realiz that wai thi trite answer guess that ration man constant conflict jerri kemp somtim consult internet kempja rcwusr kemp tnd dnet
soc.religion.christian	prayer and advic request famili problem juli situat that you describ brother live that and thing almost bad left consider shorter amount time due problem relationship thing room togeth optim room noth breakabl lock door you throw kei underneath door longest hand can reach you conclus imagin and hash thing like will scream cry and possibl hit decid bring rope tie peopl strategi keep thing calmer includ each individu statement feel that thi relationship hurt involv don understand you come reinforc statement paraphras etc you that thi that reason for thi don accus each your fault that happen find common ground lampshad decor and function time guarante situat thi gunnysack hash topic assum resolv not and feel blame thi minimum and simpli for forgiv apolog each situat hold smolder grudg relationship can work matter keep thing smooth and even sort make peac treati war faction you can give side compromis break can commun involv continu relationship surviv joe fisher
soc.religion.christian	eliz prophet articl apr geneva rutger edu jek nih gov write rob butera ask book call lost year jesu elizabeth clare prophet marriag rememb aright base almost teach messag allegedli receiv telepathi tibet surpris book you mention scholarli basi book titl book person engag bizarr form christian mystic heavili influenc eastern philosphi great titl astrolog horsemen chapter into noth origin bias even thi book basic collect previous publish work claim that exist buddhist and hindu stori that christ visit india and china issa period late teen ag conclus book let you come your view present summari publish work and letter you verifi independ includ refut such work even you theolog warp thi book nice refer summari for interest rob butera ec grad student sick music make monei todai rice univers houston nietzsch
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart collect peopl good answer question follow jason smith post will address issu that caus misunderstand jason smith jason atlastel wrote articl apr atho rutger edu kempmp phoenix oulu petri pihko write conced that doubli remiss assert reason altern exist subject statement part and that invalid time and discoveri scientist understand that prove theori not necessarili that thi happen propos like descript phenomena question mistaken thi understand degre excel discuss sci skeptic natur scientif work two week ago hope not escap your notic correct word like model and theori absolut correct theori back evid not prove theori can true mathemat sens theori not mere descript rationalis phenomena extrem import test whether theori can predict not observ success theori scienc come pass thi test includ big bang theori cosmic evolut theori natur select etc not mean correct not mere fit for data you claim that answer univers spacetim emerg noth scienc good candid for answer requir christian readili admit faith you want thi not scienc requir good theori and evid theori made success predict and us your reason disbeliev not punish fact that candid beli that conclus conclus evid left faith thi puzzl faith fellow atheist call weak atheist unabl fail entertain belief god that can god luther make thi quit clear letter erasmu afraid thi not chang situat coupl paragraph delet summari univers exist thi question split into two part exist exist and univers emerg noth delet question exist can counter demand answer question noth nothing exist question turn devoid mean thing that exist and thing that don exist don exist tautolog carefulli examin origin question and counter question ask second request for definit not thi true dichotomi exist noth exist noth exist exist exist give answer imagin for moment that nobodi exist noth exist thi equival counter question noth exist nothing exist equival exist something thi meant tautolog apolog for poor word previou post add worldview thing that exist and thing that don don ground realm falsifi theist belief god base assumpt that not reason for ultim support posit reason foundat exist soil that claim reason reason for exist gener for reason state will leav open question thi and not that and thi theistic explan come scienc cannot give reason for human exist come thi for reason thi deep philosoph question determin true not god determinist not tend thi question mean case for reason fail perspect exist for random reason roll two dice and can reason for exist satisfactori answer you for you satisfi and not doctor your search begin satisfi thi reason find year christian thi respect admit patient anoth answer that god sourc exist thi sound tempt god exist god sourc exist can mean that term human time exist thi not sourc exist thi not preclud exist seek identifi qualiti impli exist qualiti btw doesn exist god cannot exist for answer thi question not knowabl thi not obstacl belief exist discov scienc inadequ tool answer appear that pihko agre tool inadequ answer question not preclud question assert that invalid question not provid answer imposs unknow thing question exist not invalid question thi not perspect imposs and can explan anoth sinc found delud apolog thi come pre exist becom exist pre spacetim becom spacetim pre exist oxymoron time thi spacetim univers and that perspect univers never exist for insid come admiss that scienc fail answer can answer realm modern scienc that make question invalid valid question discuss separ philosophi great can and not knowabl pihko present good point individu christian base faith will shaken product evid that shatter sacr cow will seek understand discoveri disagre god and continu word thi good question answer thi and numer question that bother final found noth base faith honest ask ourselv don petri petri pihko kem pmp mathemat truth pihati finou oulu physic rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistri game
soc.religion.christian	branch davidian info articl mar atho rutger edu clitton opi bgsu edu write clitton opi bgsu edu subject branch davidian info date mar gmt for inform branch davidian send info chad litton ac dept bgsu bowl green mail clitton andi bgsu edu advanc don claim expert branch davidian branch davidian group led koresh two shoot group shephard rod shephard rod defunct broke sda church shephard rod broke sda church felt that sda church weak and fall into apostaci felt that remnant spoken revel koresh group koresh gain control onc control made center proclaim christ koresh sda background excommun young adult local congreg for exert control youth church thi join branch davidian survivalist cult thi had stockpil weapon food bomb shelter etc had intent raid govern prepar for armaggedon and put defens posit opinion atf and fbi had left alon wouldn blood children cry ash waco you want shephard rod you want visit local sda church and talk older peopl give you insight into koresh theologi tammi
soc.religion.christian	assur hell articl apr geneva rutger edu lfoard hopper virginia edu lawrenc foard write god motiv fear not god worthi worship god jesu spoke exist not hell reason for exist hell justic fear effect realiti hell boundari catechist tenei que pensar que haya venido traer paz tierra venido traer paz sino guerra mateo vulgata latina
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell andrew cmu edu andrew byler write mark schnitziu write liter interpret bibl will problem thi view sinc bibl talk fire hell and such thi found confus your nerv end die your physic bodi flame hurt you can wail and gnash teeth lung and teeth can feel physic pain bodi you doctrin resurrect bodi peopl will great judgement for resurrect dead and life world come nicen constantinopolitan creed you will bodi and soul hell eventu thi get interest rais roman cathol atheist state thi creed you quot sundai for reason resurrect thi statement mean resurrect soul guess resurrect strictli mean rais physic bodi question thi point thought that christian descent into hell pretti and that peopl burn hell you impli that will not occur great judgement read mean proverbi judgment dai confus thi point even church can clear for will soul don exist that time will bodi will creat atom that bodi made will built scratch physic bodi suscept ag etc guess bodi will radic order immort can tortur for etern sinc will physic bodi assum will physic place exist thi hell center earth you find dig mark schnitziu schnitzi eola ucf edu univ central florida not complet agreement detail afterlif common view that final disposit not occur final judgement futur meantim that peopl sleep final resurrect god time pass directli death futur time resurrect occur that soul disembodi pre resurrect exist altern that omit bodi gener conceiv implement technolog current not mortal paul talk mortal rais immort and jesu resurrect bodi exampl not subject kind limit our assum that similar that peopl will recogn each don peopl claim detail don atom assum analog physic place wouldn expect find earth sky suspect that anoth dimens thi physic world detail clh
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soc.religion.christian	hear sinner articl apr geneva rutger edu jek nih gov write question god hear prayer sinner distinguish that never hear prayer sin make pointless prayer born centuri ago prayer impenit sinner lord want you thi for don expect chang life that matter doubt that god hear prayer thing thing will happen will question god grant wish you brutal shot realiti similar you didn that toi you want for christma you cannot expect you want thi world mark ashlei disclaim opinion not harri marka gcx ssd csd harri lost lo angelino
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey articl apr geneva rutger edu mcd brunel michael davi write your opinion thi exactli engag coupl becom marri god ey that two public announc plan marri made vow god and unswervingli commit anoth realiz thi subject qualifi marri join god sight read scriptur coupl becom marri physic marri sexual intercours year ago anglican synod discuss marriag canon and debat constitut marriag bishop natal wife year had di and had recent remarri announc consumm and look that cat that cream suppos agre you steve hay depart missiolog editori depart univ south africa box pretoria south africa internet hayesstw risc unisa fidonet steve hay fidonet org faq missiolog studi christian mission and part faculti theologi unisa
soc.religion.christian	latest branch davidian articl apr geneva rutger edu conditt tsd arlut utexa edu paul conditt wrote sad that peopl put faith mere man even claim son god and prophet pose question that think distinguish true religion cult speak gener not specifi christian jerri falwel good morn america tuesdai ostens answer thi question basic that true religion follow messag cult follow person christian cult messag christian person jesu distinguish for exampl branch davidian cult presbyterian church doctrin differ don answer question imho don us answer scott brandei god demonstr lord bless you and you love for that lord make face shine you sinner and graciou you christ di for lord lift counten you and give you peac roman nasb number nasb attempt character cult commonli characterist involv high pressur brainwash techniqu etc peopl character doctrin error end afraid becom term precis mean that us primarili dismiss group not worthi consider that doesn mean that aren group that highli irrespons thing and doctrin error past discuss not suggest that cult help term clh
soc.religion.christian	proof resurect articl apr geneva rutger edu andrew srsune shlrc edu andrew mcveigh write bibl messag that love peopl and that peopl redeem preach messag repent and give peopl deceit heart and capabl turn thi messag and contort sometim unbeliev wai thi fundament christian doctrin andrew thi true and long for dai will true ala not true histori bibl not messag messag and messag repent and give turn cheek and messag complet opposit isrealit order wipe tribe includ women and children cattl and punish sever complet job jew cri matthew blood head and children head vers quot pogrom crusad holocaust misunderstood not understood essenti that christian grasp firmli good bibl teach meek carpent nazareth potent symbol for teach heart cannot ignor materi bibl not like and live that misread that chose point interpret and declar norm such can legitmaci text critiqu text understand that good and bad sacr corpu test thing and hold fast that good that line question you present strang compat christian christian encourag question behaviour world and christian prais god for jesu christ and fact that can doubt belief and come back god and forgiven time and time risk sound heret heret don that doubt requir forgiv requir introspect and reflect that sin can salvat for doubt inescapbl part human job friend had doubt job had doubt doubt wisdom and justic god god final rebuk friend and had job make sacrific for christian doubt not honesti randi
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian read carol respons and had into thi vers not subject interpret joe you aren subject interpret doesn necesarili make that your interpret text peter timothi and galatian peter thi that propheci scriptur matter interpret for propheci made act human will men move holi spirit spoke god studi note bibl offer mean for vers apparantli not clear charl ryri you timothi scriptur inspir god and profit for teach for reproof for correct for train righteous that man god adequ equip for good work galat for you brethren that gospel preach not man for receiv man taught receiev revel jesu christ read passag not immedi clear phrase meant had stop and connot word intent author translat us correct english word convei mean had interpret you want that your not interpret scriptur you read noth can chang your mind naiv that cultur experi educ not affect read base fact that jesu word incarn and judg peopl follow act and john and that reject jesu teach judg word spoke john jesu word true and not interpret god judg base word had interpret colleg entir biblic interpret christian bookstor score book interpret and understand scriptur interpret unnecessari aw lot misguid christian wast lot time and energi carol alvin caralv auto trol
soc.religion.christian	iter bibl ofm repli question multipl translat bibl christian that process copi manuscript process translat free error thi isn true anoth new group earlier thi year post that king jame bibl divin inspir version bibl english and inerr english translat satan deceiv bodi christ year ago pastor church attend show poster advertis avail man address congreg prominantli poster fact that man us kjv idea that kjv english bibl preval scott brandei god demonstr lord bless you and you love for that lord make face shine you sinner and graciou you christ di for lord lift counten you and give you peac roman nasb number nasb
soc.religion.christian	serbian genocid work god andrew kill write you suggest that god support genocid perhap german punish jew god behalf god work that indescrib evil and unworthi worship faith bibl that govern ordain god roman and god foreknow that happen difficult for human grap limit mind inevitabl sucess god plan and thi hard grasp governemnt evil evil and not cooper such understood that happen god want lead final sucess plan save soul hell short slaughter bosnia deplor ey god get desert plenti exampl god kill peopl for sin onan testmament for exampl and annia and spahira will happen that plan accomplish don forget not unbibl for god us nation execut judgement anoth roman us fulfil choru blood hand crowd jersualem and chaldea chastis babylon israel inturn persia etc god us nation punish nation bibl show testament don you rememb word god record daniel mene mene tekel pere babylon had weigh balanc scale god justic found severli want and persian due punish for rebellion anoth exammpl extirmin cannanit order god task israel cannanit had chanc found severli want and great judg carri sentenc accrodingli exampl point quit clear two thing rememb time not question god order world divin wisdom made world ey and paul roman clai not tlak back potter messag jesu christ follow repent for kingdom heaven hand jesu christ not time for dilli dalli dead buri dead come follow not infinit amount time christ pass call peopl follow and becom fisher men not alright you can call back week and kingdom fit your plan follow messag not sweeti pie never hurt fly you time world and divin judgement that fairi tale great god and savior jesu christ titu and righteou judg world and not defend trial question sentenc chastis merci andrew byler not wai heart perceiv sin and will not judg men work proverb
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell articl apr geneva rutger edu trajan cwi unomaha edu stephen mcintyr write don problem condemn hell god punish for honest skeptic that for doesn exist wouldn chang natur spend etern hell besid god heaven know even man spend etern life scorch for wrongdo ironi jesu will tortur free you definit promis hell base adam ev fall grace stand your place you give your redempt stand not accept grace god hell put burden choic thi fiction sinc you reject sociolog professor onc told begin term you start you that thi term you begin adam and ev mark haefner
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soc.religion.christian	christian that not church member note church and help idea choos church colossian jesu head bodi church you cannot jesu church ephesian church famili god church base word god cornerston christ foundat apostl testament prophet testament revel corinthian baptism becom member church for question denomin bibl teach that church ephesian roman corinthian corinthian that divis church person church and time write church todai problem timothi that peopl will turn truth and find church that teach doctrin that suit lifestyl hebrew not miss church purpos encourag each will remain faith involv relationship level church come servic anoth vers help hebrew church encourag daili duti standard appli timothi peopl church watch live and doctrin make live word discipl act pastor not come close apostl paul natur conclus sinc apostl paul talk jesu directli face face berean consid nobl didn paul word check scriptur verifi statement church member and verifi pastor statement not verifi valid light vers that group avoid church made wonder suggest waco group light matthew joe fisher
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey question for you relat thi jesu condemn divorc time testament and hard time thi cathol church can grant annul statement that marriag never exist god ey mistinterpret correct wit marriag two peopl love recogn that destroi and each stai marriag and that problem due person childhood issu that had never resolv you divorc justifi such case knew deepli love end not work admit that don jesu forc live togeth even condemn that and seek happi opinion vera your clock bind todai vera noy your religion strong name noy midwai uchicago edu you triniti disclaim lard patrick breastplat disclaim thi commonli discuss question long that ask you expect rang answer cathol and will that divorc never justifi situat abus for separ allow tradit that forc stai situat danger last resort situat that fallen apart badli that can hope for choos lesser evil sens difficult legal question turn not divorc remarriag that jesu statement mark and par thing thi turn your approach bibl conserv protest tend statement thi except liber will make allow for situat liter interpret lead pain result note that time for man divorc wife almost whim common explan liber approach that jesu protect peopl thi sort thing not establish absolut rule never except cathol typic cathol ethic theoret hard line for except practic process anul last discuss cathol reader accept reluct that case good altern feel that church job help peopl prepar for marriag and deal problem that come and that properli run church divorc not clh
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soc.religion.christian	harrass work us prayer repeat and emphas that make you feel horribl and worthless not mean that you feel that that easier sometim rememb god made you and love you you special excus trite languag bulli mean for reason not intent mental tortur harass not talk email reaction weren fast and post respond didn includ your address courag and rememb that net root for you care vera hand hand noy midwai uchicago edu doesn vera noy hand hand strength common touch drop line you mood rush hand fist
soc.religion.christian	hell articl apr geneva rutger edu stonei oyster smcm edu stanlei tonei write muslim fear lie fater li satan christ stan tonei stonei oyster smcm edu opinion you borrow pick thi point struck you thi muslim thing that christian and jew jesu not messiah prophet thi closer christian religion tend somewhat liber belief thi relat serbian ethnic cleans question wait for condemn thi and can stand and watch innoc peopl even peopl belief condemn thi case and don wrong thing fundamenalist muslim women make blood boil tortur rape stori that made physic ill and kill jesu love not love back and advoc kind hope convert that you want put kill subject us titl thi chest peac shalom vera shanti hand hand noy midwai uchicago edu doesn vera noy hand hand strength common touch drop line you mood rush hand fist worri thi issu made post name earlier todai not want discuss moslem belief thi isn group for belief jesu come koran bibl thi mean that honor and stood for differ wai christian belief moslem belief topic for soc religion islam you christian that you accept christ order save stanlei comment appear anti moslem assum thing religion christian clh
soc.religion.christian	hell articl apr geneva rutger edu tbrent ecn purdu edu timothi brent write state that not atheist not christian god recent discuss atheist and hell combin post anoth group effect you will hell interest consensu god judg men cathol told that jew buddhist etc heaven peopl not thi even atheist and pagan assum lump into thi categori hellbound you god can judg and not you for your opinion dear tim you that you cathol you not christian god suppos that mean god bibl and publicli state thi you probabl not roman cathol public heret even err good faith materi heret not belong bodi church fundament cathol dogma ludwig ott not lost you belong spiritu church your desir belong you god can judg condit man soul judgment hand paul cor urg christian judg fellow christian apostl teach judg that you reconsid return christian fold and embrac god abraham isaac and jacob god live you told believ you cathol that true post vatican lumen gentium teach fault not gospel christ chruch nevertheless seek god sincer heart and move grace action will dictat conscienc achiev etern salvat respond your solicit for opinion think process god can refer you scriptur scriptur sourc for learn can god stick boundari catechist tenei que pensar que haya venido traer paz tierra venido traer paz sino guerra mateo esp vulgata latina
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl geneva rutger edu prism gatech edu boundari write dleonar andi bgsu edu pixi write deletia sig you sincer that god exist you follow blindli word question author mean you defi theist repli deletia formal thi pass not worth time and not intend for couldn resist person weak mine jerkiu kneeu tragic incur foundat for faith god reason exist god not proven that exist can proven reason indisput short treatis tradit proof for exist god and summa theologica not can prove that exist god disput show that peopl disput thi easi disput that god exist simpl miss your tradit proof treatis proof rememb summa theolog wai poor stuff ontolog argument billion time imho you want tradit proof gener failur tradit proof think ontolog argument cosmolog argument and teleolog argument tradit funni name that god exist and that exist can proven reason assert that command blindli fallen condit measur doubt faith thi real question discuss assum god exist heavenli author babbl god thing mover matter independ thing that requir noth for exist measur that perfect and essenti order univers logo show thi case familiar argument and accept for sake argument that even find premic question rest you show thi includ that god assert that god good deni that god good thi that contrari will god evil absenc good and sinc god can never contradict promis savior earli protoevangelium genesi god instruct that human adam respons for man alien sourc good man requir act restor friendship god incarn person messiah thi isn consist human renew relationship god incarn not can you god human grant god made human thi nonetheless cheat intent statement that man fix problem caus god fix even indirect mean contradict thi thi messiah claim that truth john thi claim true bound reason follow truth incarn assum claim true claim truth you bound reason follow you problem author you unit state marin corp can you hand that excel instructor author undoubt you mean impli obei command marin question you impli thi god and that marin similar thi respect thi not you explain you miss you not had privileg will repli that author truth incarn never question and blindli not question even truth cannot thi irrat question perhap will discov that wrong you assert that god truth and can question truth assert that god not truth and can question truth assert good not deni truth herebi deni hope you agre truth grant pretti damn silli that need agre true you notic stormtroop march drag gulag heaven light bolt mysteri net outag permit such thing absurd not for exampl proverbi appl fell isaac newton head deni that happen not law physic obei whether human like not true not true newton deriv not true and wildli inaccur high speed small distanc not set law physic that work case physic scienc question thi sort truth didn follow aristotl gener thi you want learn you question thing you you can wrong author truth not deni even presuppos that truth not deni and not question and that god truth follow that god not deni question not that obei unquestioningli disobei annoi you not connect denial disobedi dan nicknam johnson and god jeez thi dull and dull genesi opinion show
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soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr geneva rutger edu reedr cgsvax claremont edu write basic problem your argument your total and complet relianc biblic text luke account highli suspect refer you hermeneia commentari act articl apr geneva rutger edu ata hfsi hfsi john ata write even independ proof that luke account valid find strang that you negat truth direct histor evid that you mention back assert made unequivoc that christian suffer for faith believ resurrect luke account suggest and absenc direct eyewit can claim that luke mistaken suggest that thi unequivoc assert suspect john problem that you peic respons bother connect part repeatedli note that problemat historc act and examin work john domin crossan and burton mack onc you time examin recent develop biblic scholarship you will grasp origin claim somewhat limit thi answer claim that wit couldn ly willign suffer for belief not show that christian suffer for believ resurrect issu whether wit agre that post you respond show that can liber conserv dogmat clh thi issu situat waco show that requir that peopl will die for belief for true sure david koresh son god spurriou arguement that resurrect had true for peopl will die put rest problem that monologocentr even resurrect big deal doesn for thoma even john degre lot thing earli christian togeth that worth dy for belief that even idea mix race commun brought region nation boundari name koinonia for peopl will die radic communti that jonestown waco warsaw etc origin point that roman persecut persecut document proof not whether carpent back dead such claim not uniqu abhor roman greek mind point that avoid militari and civic duti emperor worship problemat noth resurrect nero us christian human torch light dinner parti wasn risen savior supposedli involv incest and cannabl argument that christian martyr for resurrect cannot stand critic examin randi
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soc.religion.christian	sex educ articl apr geneva rutger edu bruce liv bruce stephen write fascin such evid send your articl neg side suspect that such simplist link abstin educ decreas pregnanc contracept educ increas pregnanc fals guess largest proport liber sex educ western world highest teenag pregnanc rate correct guess wrong articl term group discuss want point that liber educ head sand not abstin educ had liber educ drug kid didn lot good abstin educ drug proven effect joe kellett jkellett netcom
soc.religion.christian	work god hedrick rutger edu write distinct jew greek slave free male femal moslem not preach don kill muslim spell sometim moslem that muslim strong jesu refer islam text eesau jesu esu esu pronounc eee yah knew ideal thi war not even and even time war goal peac refrain viloat peac violat will not peac ourselv don thi war eaither conflict territori croat muslim and serb live togeth peac ralli point race and that gener wouldn mind presid mohammad khan khan nova gmi edu juli send mail mkhan nyx edu christian perspect moslem idea jesu erron gener avoid discuss islam thi group sinc soc religion islam place for that don want into detail will simpli note that moslem reject christian regard essenti fact jesu christian perspect moslem don jesu thi justif for christian hate moslem kill agre you that thi war never clh
soc.religion.christian	lost gospel finish read burton mack book lost gospel and christian origin thought total cool read and want talk randi
soc.religion.christian	jesu black jesu born jew biblic account mother ancestri and father trace back david reason assum that jesu semit interest jesu semit make white black and sens underscor point made earlier that color not import messag grace and divin that concentr final direct interest african involv church account convers ethiopian eunuch act chapter chapter thi earliest convers and eunuch treasur queen ethiopian african ethiopia that time region south egypt specul that thi man not african christian black christian god bless charl campbel
soc.religion.christian	christian that not church member articl gchin ssf eng sun write year met christian not associ local church and not member local church thi issu that person import bibl thi and can encourag friend regard thi issu thi bring interest subject that not discuss and not studi you awar post lot articl person type mbti test vehicl come speed read alt psycholog person and for person type summari file observ that peopl significantli person question thi essenti born respect church attend and particip peopl thrive thi peopl real difficulti thi prefer solitari and contempl lifestyl that energ confront excess close activ and lot peopl thi measur extrovers introvers impress that church total blind thi fact and creat environ that scare natur introvert introvert charact bibl btw quit introvert prefer and find pressur church particip meet togeth larg group etc uncomfort know church overli influenc highli extrovert peopl thrive thi sort thing btw noth wrong extrovers introvers prefer place bodi defin extrovert introvert carefulli sinc word not us correctli cultur extrovert introvert scale measur person energ excerpt summari energ person energ extrovers prefer for draw energi world peopl activ thing introvers prefer for draw energi intern world idea emot impress hopefulli thi will elicit discuss church can structur meet real peopl compris bodi christ chang peopl person fit into framework aspect church not properli understood person varianc member detriment jon nore charter member infj club you dy infj mean brave mail send info jon nore nore netcom jkn intern fred gourmet chocol carlton place phone chip world livermor mail you read alt psycholog person that action
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey articl apr geneva rutger edu marka hcx ssd csd harri mark ashlei write bibl hand can give exact chapter vers time jesu told peter that rock you hold true earth held true heaven and you don hold true won true heaven respect marriag ceremoni priest big parti requir priest coupl and wit divorc not allow anul grant approv bishop pope not pope deleg thi function tire can follow logic held true earth held true heaven that priest appar requir fact read vers correctli matthew understand that for marriag place two requir agre earth touch thing and todd mark ashlei disclaim opinion not harri marka gcx ssd csd harri lost lo angelino haven find complet precis statement need usual current edit cathol encyclopedia frustratingli vagu that priest view wit and sens not requir part purpos formal marriag avoid ambigu and not commit commun support marriag and case problem involv help make that peopl carri commit marriag public commit presenc priest requir for regular marriag not clear exactli boundari except case valid irregular temer that marriag involv cathol valid priest oxford dictionari church and impli that canon law retain thi recent and authorit sourc note that cathol priest requir for cathol cathol church recogn marriag baptiz cathol valid priest clh
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian follow moder answer charg arrog abli that will confin answer charg illog previou articl eugen bigelow ebai sun geno don belief and belief wrong don belief thi simpli belief mean unfortunatli thi christian taught come religion thi western intellectu tradit taught fundament premi not not thing true convers necessarilli fals thi basic asumpt theologi and scienc alik imposs distinguish strong and weak mean word weak sens mean not tom librari track strong sens mean that us basi thought that natur oper fundament law despit fact that natur appear caprici and unpredict christian belief strong kind christian hold belief weak kind number theolog and ecclesiolog topic extrem and that religion and you don accept teach you won save note that two separ idea hold view major not hold second matter pure logic that christan true hinduism for exampl necessarilli fals contradict incompat christaian and matter logic vice versa take quit bit arrog claim god think arrog claim think told you christian god told think and base your interpret book christian not base belief bibl live tradit church establish christ and guid constantli holi spirit bibl simpli written core that tradit logic statement faulti that assum two peopl differ belief can correct depend you mean differ tom six feet tall and you weigh pound belief differ tom six feet tall and you beleiv that foot wrong percept two peopl exactli alik two peopl perceiv that truth call god truth univers truth call you will don god present thi truth and you for and prayer medit inspir ation dream peopl perceiv thi truth differ doesn mean wrong and you that singl truth that human can find you assert that that can find absolut truth mistaken short you that not share your belief thi point wrong qed exampl question glass half empti half full you can two answer contradictori and correct for your belief true not requir belief wrong begin suspect that your real difficulti not knowabl truth simpli languag that glass half empti not contradict statement that half full fact express word point thi phrase illustr wai pessimist and optimist express fact quit true that peopl express belief word true that fail understand each word express belief and argu bitterli and that mile apart great scism occur thi and ecumen work simpli resolv differ languag conceal agreement belief thi not mean sens that belief equal valid sinc belief peopl hold contradict belief that peopl hold obfusc languag and cultur express belief strip belief that peopl hold necessarilli fals and arrog illog and you correct equival not wrong and long hold respect belief each regard error mark baker task not cut jungl freenet carleton irrig desert lewi
soc.religion.christian	jesu black articl apr geneva rutger edu shd andi bgsu edu sherlett dixon write peopl post thi newsgroup cowardli accus worldwid conspiraci black sinc jesu born middl east expect human featur similar middl eastern that point time and sinc camera wasn invent can guess look for exampl dinosaur bone dig don yellow polka dot purplish orang likewis don pictur jesu current imag jesu guess assum that jesu black that make you follow tech you follow teach skin color becom moot point count your life your faith jesu skin color human interest histor accuraci sinc jesu israel wouldn skin color jew fair skin heavili tan desert sun expert thi area speak not mark ashlei disclaim opinion not harri marka gcx ssd csd harri lost lo angelino
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss articl apr atho rutger edu dlecoint garnet acn fsu edu dariu lecoint write faq and dariu respons delet dariu not clear faq paul comment esteem dai anoth rom that accept that dariu honor lord equal accept that esteem dai alik similarli honor lord sda and total agreement dariu worship saturdai honor lord your mention esteem dai alik imo fast dai observ jew matter you interpret that passag accept your worship sundai honor lord contrast fellow sda believ bibl overwhelmingli point saturdai dai honor creation and god deliver israelit egyptian bondag attempt point that observ saturdai legalist thi simpli not case keep saturdai full dai rest and contempl god good and grace clear that not unambigu proof that regular christian worship dai respons passag cite similarli cor that dai set monei for paul collect you want that gather special thi that home can disprov obviou time for congreg offer gather for worship and expect home reason mention specif dai idea introduc onc that reason paul want corinthian lai monei for collect dai week that receiv weekli wage paul want lai monei for collect prioriti spend monei thing not proof front for thi explain lai monei home meet obviou read thi that dai week simpli mean time gather for worship reason implic and not clear statement that author assum that reader knew christian worship that you assum that christian regularli worship dai assum that christian regularli worship seventh dai agre you that implic author assum reader knew worhip mark
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey robert anderson randerso acad sah uth tmc edu wrote your opinion thi exactli engag coupl becom marri god ey that two public announc plan marri made vow god and unswervingli commit anoth realiz thi subject qualifi marri join god sight read scriptur coupl becom marri physic marri sexual intercours end genesi quot memori for thi reason man leav parent and join wife and will becom flesh jesu quot thi scriptur refer marriag you read genesi you will come across phraseolog man lai woman and wife thi impli that wife lai togeth point intercours compar thi jewish tradit joseph heard that mari pregnant had mind divorc quietli mari and joseph betroth not marri bind relationship requir divorc marriag not occur mari and joseph bed togeth compar christ and church ephesian revel church describ bride christ marriag lamb take place jesu return bind love relationship jesu forward time marriag will place thi spiritu equival sexual intercours repres intim fellowship man and god summari engag honour bind relationship not marriag civil ceremoni not marriag marriag occur point betroth coupl bed togeth don mean demean civil church ceremoni our great don mean pedant histor correct state that civil ceremoni marriag recognis state west sinc napoleon introduc tab peopl readi correct that point thi view rais question had sex partner marriag peopl marri true that marriag occur point intercours marri ey state thi honour law nation west not illeg sleep togeth unmarri western countri that god honour proclaim marriag state and friend consumm marriag salt and light and peopl will perceiv cultur insensit declar marri civil ceremoni michael davi mcd brunel and hast thou slain jabberwock come arm beamish boi
soc.religion.christian	certainti and arrog respond moder articl apr atho rutger edu alvin spot colorado edu kenneth alvin write choos and reli import area person sovereignti bother suggest that matter faith specif belief not true absolut and bind follow thi that god give revel truth and come conclus intention choos wrong path thi arrog lack respect for honest conclus matter and god reason for humil abil truth path area practic clarif you mean you reject idea specif belief not true absolut and bind true true for assum that belief god histori etc agre point that matter faith tenet not logic persuas convinc truth thing for instanc person revel and fine share that revel belief and don that arrog persai accept matter pure faith truth for oneself conflict aris assum that disagr belief aris truth and that god reveal truth such that honestli agre thi can lead conclus that disagre you sin dishonest that reject truth inconveni for spurn god that thi equival assum that truth hold univers and absolut and problem thi that negat individu human and relationship god thi not mean absolut truth that area doctrin disagr area god not establish reveal that truth comment critic ken alvin ucsu colorado edu agre you clh
soc.religion.christian	easter name testament doubl stan articl apr atho rutger edu dsegard nyx edu daniel segard write that argument compel not for ishtar egg and ishtar bunni mix pagan fertil symbol worship pagan goddess fertil biblic belief lost you drop word easter and replac such occur resurrect sundai you not show for servic call resurrect sundai servic easter servic anoth view thi true celebr easter resurrect lord thi true foundat world pagan practic foreshadow true celebr resurrect dim light shone that peopl recogn full truth manifest satan counterfeit intend deceiv that not recogn truth manifest don second argument power resurrect fulfil incarn and hope earlier parallel idea religion dim imag truth resurrect paul state glass darkli serv purpos argu darker lighter glass foreshadow not perfect understnd god todai imperfect for not perfect theosi not gift such that wham perfect larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
soc.religion.christian	intoler etern life etc xian netter god bless you content intro love your neighbor reaction post purpos etern life read thi new group religi for month sometim spiritu time irat kind peopl group and offens intoler hard toler such peopl oop smilei quota and second paragraph imho follow command love thy neighbor and leav judg god specif sexual orient part love sinner hate sin not appli pai attent fundaligionist love your neighbor wether you not happi flame endlessli and loos scriptur quotat contest galor defend thi point beleiv thi correct btw love sinner hate sin slipperi slope hatr bottom incred chop post won even you delet mean jayn mean dan johnson mean eric articl atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org jayn kulikauska write gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola write free gift mean never quit understood god can give your life mean you exist that you purpos you care accept that thing digress find that dissatisfi purpos that can manufactur for ourselv cosmic sens even greatest great pharo long pyramid histor odditi worn wind eventu turn into dust mankind will dai perish interconnected that transcend physic god pointless end peopl live that and for purpos success monei power effect chang help suffic suppos never cosmic scale put mind comfort that realiti illus that true realiti underneath physic spirit that thi world school sort learn and grow and soul matur that purpos purpos and take pressur not make thi life success human term you learn import progress grow persist learn love and and express your love dificult honest effort reward god limit will live forev god begin diverg will not live forev don you will you your opinion matter interest theolog question feel that common percept etern life base imprison limit ego mind doubt choos imort bore two question invit discuss natur etern life can mortal lock into space time conceiv answer for can metaphor analog question metaphor
soc.religion.christian	can sin block prayer articl apr atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org jayn kulikauska write mike boulder snsc unr edu mike mccormick write not honor wive can prayer hinder prayer not hinder peter interpret heard thi vers that refer sin physic abus wife husband physic stronger wife not permit us thi domin honor sister christ thi exampl specif sin that block prayer jayn kulikauska jayn mmalt guild org bit specif thi vers regard block prayer troubl think that god block access prayer sin and prai for forgivenenss can prayer life hinder sin concentr caus sin happen not think prayer prayer hinder action don can block transmiss recept prayer god shalom len howard
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart soc religion christian articl apr atho rutger edu trajan cwi unomaha edu stephen mcintyr write norri athena mit edu write for exampl univers exist thi you assum god that exist exist question revers can assum univers exist you assum god exist univers whether not find thi pascal wager and spend live search wast live meaningless and don search for wast potenti meaning live suppos univers billion year and suppos last anoth billion year suppos live that noth that small that scari search for friend earth noth aren scare you woke parti memori and discuss host not host you find parti stai recogn mortal find buddhism confucian taoism hinduism judaism zoeraster shintoism and islam fit thi bit logic quit nice depth endur valu true thi good point good point for studi religion ignor christian disagre worthwhil studi religion and philosophi and glean truth quot context test and true chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian previou articl mhsu lonestar utsa edu melinda hsu argument stop end aren kid grope for truth author declar belief fals don belief and belief wrong don belief thi simpli belief mean author for belief come for belief authorat produc author for belief will find author for belief legitimaci author short mind start major christian cathol author church and deriv author bibl accept church mark baker task not cut jungl freenet carleton irrig desert lewi
soc.religion.christian	rom articl readi request section richard badena book christ end law roman paulin perspect section contextu set and mean roman addit endnot sinc file long and reason will request for articl person badena insight true and quit damag tradit augustinian calvinist view ted kalivoda tedr athena uga edu univers georgia athen ucn institut higher
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu hayesstw risc unisa steve hay write for exampl peopl live volcan island and group geologist determin that volcano immin warn peopl island that danger and leav group peopl island task warn danger danger real not that mean that group necessarili arrog warn danger mean that that belief correct and fals geologist wrong and peopl warn exist danger analog can push argument side melinda and assum premis us set your respect analog true and correct conclus will aris import point note direct side come christian truth and and duti truth christian can offend not evid truth christian not thi truth and offend christian claim truth btw thi argument for not bag christian side can reconcil parti mind melinda point point argu line approach premis line discuss peopl faith person don mind believ long mine and can live peacefulli steve hay depart missiolog editori depart don low depart physic monash univers melbourn victoria australia
soc.religion.christian	accept jesu your heart told that smug post appolig felt thi not desir come across that express that didn understand logic and that wish life christ love bryan whitsel
soc.religion.christian	watt misquot heath athena uga edu terranc heath write realiz enter thi discuss late question wasn reagan appointe jame watt pentacost christian secretari interior problem deforest sinc live last dai and our last gener redwood for record februari hous repres interior committe meet rep jame weaver or ask watt whether you agre that save scenic resourc for children not gobbl onc watt answer absolut that delic balanc secretari interior steward for natur resourc for thi gener futur gener not futur gener can count lord return manag skill resourc need for futur gener sourc column rowland evan and robert novak page washington post for fridai august jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart apr atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org write gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola write firstli atheist not post immatur flame start express opinion intend audienc delet anim sleep food and reproduc and die glad that not atheist tragic that peopl choos meaningless exist terribl live fear death life huh not eric mola even that feel life disagre life not meaningless precis purpos and mean choos give live live need reason free complet free pick reason that suit that freedom can almost intox closest religi experi glad atheist wouldn feel for eric and attempt share joi life consid evid infecti natur christian not explain your subject experi you convert proselyt explain effect you person experi religion you not infecti not eric paranoid that christian free human person love choos and creat will live forev god float your goat you sound happi that fairli that matter christ not kind drug drug replac for christ erh pardon strike that sentenc sound revers empti spot god shape hole heart eas pain empti spot god shape hole hear such thing lot theist never quit understand talk such empti hole wouldn don and seek doesn sound mental healthi situat walk hole oneself you eric for your post help god bless hope that you will somedai joi fill and abund life not written that origin post don intend interpret such reread carefulli somewhat doubt that not get across your mileag vari disclaim great young and insan
soc.religion.christian	hebrew grammar text choos english german tire hors slightli twist want good english languag text for learn ancient hebrew and compar german educ text qualitywis idea can figur bui for studi wait back find interest studi theologi germani fact that student ancient languag learn earli not theologi student spend lot time such folk career two year greek and latin and hebrew possibl arama divin school seminari state lot languag instruct don basi for comparison regard phil philip sell hard for lord hobb kzoo edu gen for wors don tradit classic educ gener seminari believ student greek teach common for seminari requir semest each hebrew and greek requir for scholarship clh
soc.religion.christian	trajan cwi unomaha edu stephen mcintyr write norri athena mit edu write stuff delet fortun for conveni believ class question that can never reduc natur scienc for exampl univers exist thi you assum god that exist exist question revers can assum univers exist you assum god exist univers remaind messag delet pardon for repli portion your messag reason can god exist and can univers exist univers natur realm and subject natur law gener and law and effect that observ natur that effect and effect produc exist natur realm effect cannot supernatur god hand supernatur and not subject such natur law law and effect supernatur god etern exist not impli previou exist physic natur cosmo supernatur valid basi for accept exist uncaus phenomena such etern god deni exist supernatur face dilemma physic univers natur show that not suffici explain exist thi oversimplif complex topic want clarifi import differ supernatur god and natur univers sinc you mistak interchang mark
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola write anim sleep food and reproduc and die agre sleep etc disagre anim that statement categor neg polkadot eleph true omnisci for rob steel come understand mit lincoln laboratori reject fact wood for favour fact lexington lewi
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu trajan cwi unomaha edu stephen mcintyr write buddhism confucian taoism hinduism judaism zoeraster shintoism and islam fit thi bit logic quit nice depth endur valu true yep truth religion even scienc christian doesn claim claim thing true that contradict religion truth claim can true rob steel come understand mit lincoln laboratori reject fact wood for favour fact lexington lewi
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey lewi that wed princip that marri each church and state present wit rob steel come understand mit lincoln laboratori reject fact wood for favour fact lexington lewi thi not lewi summari standard cathol theologi thi doesn mean that presenc wit option odd situat standard desert island clh
soc.religion.christian	question christian bach udel edu steven hoskin write realiz ignor bibl and quit possibl christian hold true thi rectifi read bibl help read good interpret commentari bibl relev aspect christian faith question can recommend good read list theolog work intend for lai person won even recommend book congreg you sound attract danger christian you don want contamin peopl interpret steep your scriptur and discuss christian read your rememb that peopl write interpret god promis give you light for anoth question not affili congreg matter tast criteria us choos church don differ protest denomin don wait long attach church rememb compar teach you scriptur berean dariu
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri listown thi anderson privat post you gener interest copi wrote for anoth list you find relev listmemb ask make common law marriag wrong common law marriag not necessarili wrong noth bibl testament get marri preacher priest jewish christian and fact jewish priest never had connect wed common notion that marriag perform clergyman fact tradit christian view west that bride and groom minist marriag and that clergyman wit essenti ingredi marriag mutual commit two person consid marri and bound mutual promis live togeth husband and wife forsak till death part reason reason concern marri insist kind public ceremoni order that societi and coupl clear whether commit made suppos that public ceremoni standard vow etc man and woman settl live togeth year man woman hei honei great last time move you talk leav you and for prettier and younger you can marri you talk never marri rememb distinctli you night made love you love for you deep ocean etern star long live utterli and complet lie deathb last feebl breath will utter your name that that rhetor poetri man romant mood bound kind silli thing that you mustn liter and that you insist formal ceremoni that matter public record church insist duti thing give moral advic and you cannot give man moral advic relat woman you idea marri and vice versa state insist sinc state concern properti right child care and support and made commit prospect father law insist don want daughter seduc and abandon prospect spous insist want make whether hear real commit poetri and person make vow insist make formal and publicli order that clear mind that and that thi not rhetor thi real thing insist formal public explicit avow marriag commit church and insist that christian marri clergyman present wed and record vow behalf church not imposs valid wed clergyman order make that coupl understand christian teach marriag and that fact promis marri christian sens church prefer standard marriag vow and wari let coupl write vow for reason that lawyer prefer standard terminolog draw will contract languag repeatedli us will and can court will interpret thing your word and you find that probat judg interpret not you intend similarli church prefer avoid endless debat whether you main squeez and for long haul fact cover territori forsak and till death part thi topic come list topic that hasn listmemb ask coupl love each and live togeth isn that marriag ey god eventu ask that case statu break that moral equival get divorc relationship that god forbid walk origin question good grief never thought that fact reason ground for suspect that don piec paper ceremoni front judg preacher order show that love each wai advantag marriag option chang mind minimum bother thi point thi appli and mate quit clear fact that assum lifelong commit for wors forsak till death part case ceremoni need thi repli reason for requir driver licens danger driver road wrong not exist unlicens driver exist danger driver test and licens driver obviou and reason mean pursu goal reduc number danger driver road state rightli make and enforc such law and you citizen posit moral oblig refrain drive licens matter hotshot wheel you you back origin question listmemb coupl live togeth for year ask point stop fornic and start marri answer point and explicitli accept oblig faith each for wors long live accept such oblig reason for not will declar front justic peac jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	book review want interest can point review book scholarli christian journal whether conserv liber protest cathol lost year jesu documentari evid for jesu year journei east elizabeth clare prophet supposedli thi theori that refut past and examin thought thi anoth book list text for class religi studi endors come credibl sourc wonder scholar review net for that matter rob butera ec grad student sick music make monei todai rice univers houston nietzsch
soc.religion.christian	rise frank your mail earli histor refer christian respond lost your address mail scott oser
soc.religion.christian	bibl unsuit for christian christian wrote that faith and learn read bibl not thi path follow bibl for christian word god revel god jesu christ and chief legaci thi reval church not recommend denommin recommend find comfort christian congreg develop your faith read bibl thi not mean that bibl not read stick gospel epistl and psalm and avoid book revel altogeth you friend you comfort that mistakenli fervent project read entir bibl frequent bog remark lack fervour middl leviticu for sturdi chronicl point that bibl illustr faith christian not provid total that faith vital belief virtual christian simpli not mention triniti dualiti natur christ type church organ belief and practic develop live experi christian peopl experi live hope spirit such bibl studi context congreg and context read suggest confessor mine even suggest that good good reflect christian life novel profund discuss natur good and evil human heart induct into christian faith brought grace read graham green power and glori and poetri gerard manlei hopkin recommend graham green monsignor quixot and iri murdoch last not even christian such insist for good life that frankli uplift and god direct read read part bibl and that christian let your soul and your life direct infinit repres person jesu christ paul halsal halsal murrai fordham edu
soc.religion.christian	natur god environment and pagan previou articl mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington articl apr atho rutger edu heath athena uga edu terranc heath write that not necessarili unorthodox christian call god father metaphor bibl place refer god mother god father mother liter sens god attribut father metaphor us for peopl time mislead two possibl don passag you refer passag cite exampl mother imag god isaiah can woman forget suck child that compass son womb even forget will not forget you thi passag not mother imag god mother imag human constanc can show and contrast constanc god mother figur repres mankind not god mark baker task not cut jungl freenet carleton irrig desert lewi luke jerusalem jerusalem kill prophet and stone you gather your children togeth hen gather brood wing and you not clh
soc.religion.christian	sspx schism larri overack write respond simon interest select post net understand that sspx not schism legitim excommun that besid point roman cathol church excommun can real apart formal excommun provid for canon law theologi involv for interest confus thi issu sspx schism basic problem lack abil distinguish true obedi fals obedi disobedi schism classif obedi import element involv for purpos command respons made command command command can legitim such pope order cathol not eat meat fridai can illegitim such pope order cathol worship god dagon full moon come respons command can refus command compli make tabl possibilit command respons name legitim compli true obedi illegitim refus true obedi legitim refus disobedi illegitim compli fals obedi you classif obedi come obedi not sole matter complianc refus natur command into account not complianc refus and whether obedi disobedi you into consider whether command good bad exampl pope command cathol worship god dagon and refus aren disobedi societi saint piu refus compli thing pope desir that alon insuffici label disobedi you natur papal desir and rub sspx pope sinc vatican command bad thing for church pope disagre anoth arian heresi complet weak pope sspx priest modern martin luther answer that examin and tradit teach church problem that cathol idea and issu religion american cathol defect intellectu depth you will never read issu discuss cathol press thi countri hand italian cathol magazin dai had interview superior gener societi saint piu cathol will decid side pope sound thi papaci infal eventu pope will straighten thi hand unsound thi that short term pope wrong and such cathol noth situat obei wrong fact situat grave sin obei wast great opportun fail love christ heroic time that thi badli schism move schism schism superset disobedi refus obei legitim command schismat disobedi superset doesn work not disobey schismat mere fact that sspx priest don compli holi father desir doesn make schismat that ad disobedi constitut schism thi make sspx priest schismat you add thi reject command decent refer cathol theologi and that you find distinguish criterion schism reject command cathol encyclopedia for exampl not disobedi schism order possess thi charact includ trangress command superior denial divin command articl schism societi saint piu schismat answer clear that pope boss prai for dai and that that matter schism thi boil thi leav consider exact natur object posit legitim cathol theologi obedi and schism resist papal polici that contrari tradit teach papaci and interest church fact find thi situat duti resist stanc rome thi you read holi father motu proprio ecclesia dei you can find definit document subject motu proprio specif papal act not product roman congreg letter that pope possibl never even read pope boss god complain thi document holi father thing episcop consecr perform archbishop lefebvr constitut schismat act archbishop lefebvr problem misunderstand natur tradtion confus fail logic pope point episcop consecr read interest articl translat italian magazin get back question jurisdict episcop consecr impli reject pope jurisdict constitut schismat act justifi excommun current code canon law problem thi thi tradit theologi holi order episcop consecr not confer jurisdict confer power order abil confect sacrament jurisdict confer power confer such pope societi bishop know tradit theologi quit great pain avoid pretenc jurisdict simpli confer sacrament that requir bishop articl interest that posit that reason that pope that post vatican idea holi order thi idea episcop consecr confer jurisdict lent articl friend can you quot code canon law support thi idea pope think thi point remain great puzzl schism tradit cathol theologi pope thi point natur tradit passag question root thi schismat act can discern incomplet and contradictori notion tradtion incomplet not suffici into account live charact tradit second vatican council taught come apostl and progress church holi spirit growth insight into realiti and word that pass thi come wai come contempl and studi believ ponder thing heart come intim sens spiritu realiti experi and come preach receiv success espiscop charism truth contradictori notion tradit oppos univers magisterium church possess bishop rome and bodi bishop imposs remain faith tradit break ecclesi bond person apostl peter christ entrust ministri uniti church papal motu proprio ecclesia dei juli that holi father make two point that can simplifi vatican council happen pope argument that case suffici prove that archbishop lefebvr wrong disagre thi weak help clarifi thing pope had address archbishop lefebvr concern detail john paul stand social kingship christ taught gregori xvi piu leo xiii piu and piu xii for exampl suppos ignor pope subject don futur will hold power that sspx talk rome and straighten thing peopl prefer call justifi refus obei justifi disobedi even obei god man call refus obei obedi put into sort alic wonderland world word mean want mean similarli schism formal break church pope that schism exist that definit exist that pope wrong side break that good reason for break exist and that will shortli heal can deni that fact exist that you grave danger destroi thing you reform power papaci good will you you becom reconcil pope futur process you destroi abil us tool church disciplin thing hold that pope misus power and excommun wrongli that excommun not effect and schism imagin that mean that act church disciplin not legal tool act valid open debat gener liber cathol had problem pope object church sanction gener admit that sanction exist you open door peopl simpli ignor papal decis claim obei disobei and communion excommun thi precis denial divin command that you defin schism clh
soc.religion.christian	qualiti cathol liturgi tim rolf write activ particip you latin beauti hear passion chant deacon narrat chant middl bariton rang jesu chant bass and directli quot handl high tenor heard gregorian chant passion good fridai thi liturgi lord sad resign die for poor piti creatur kill chant quit beauti
soc.religion.christian	anger paul conditt write case you couldn extrem angri and upset thing thi ration fear and phobia reach peopl aid and social unaccept diseas whether diseas action not irrelev jesu aaron bryce cardena write issu you bring your anger obviou wrong angri gal for reason extrem angri par hatr jesu reason angri for put cross sin prayer forgiv father not don obviou not speak act flesh speak emot emot not moral immor good bad emot step not label emot good bad numb ourselv that hide true feel accept ourselv god accept that paul anger accept and channel plea refrain pass judgement afflict diseas and reach give call argument foolish belittl quarrel avoid action fear give bad feel not forgiv aaron don quick judg forgiven aid dealt and respons for feel and made choic for action such feel not anger joe moor
soc.religion.christian	onlin bibl bibl studi apr atho rutger edu eng nusunix nu ling siew wee write embark bibl studi act onlin bibl softwar background author topic articl and author peopl testament realibl articl onlin bibl softwar specif for your conveni want darbi translat never heard thi darbi founder plymouth brethren and earli support dispensation bruce highli approv translat translat bibl into languag young liter translat never heard thi fellow young concord standard refer work similar strong concord realiabl hebrew greek lexicon that follow standard refer work author denomin etc articl topic modul larri pierc brethren baptist and that thompson chain refer fame presbyterian realiabl treasuri scriptur knowleg never heard anoth standard refer work that for decad version releas and christian book distribut comment scofield and johnson wrote scofield refer bibl and peopl testament scofield creator scofield refer bibl for peopl not thi studi bibl note strongli dispens realiabl strong number accur strong number shawn abigail abigail ramsei laurentian
soc.religion.christian	sda doctrin distinct healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write articl mar atho rutger edu jodfish silver uc indiana edu joseph dale fisher write book provid sda entitl seventh dai adventist church believ that book call basic fundament belief close that number not copi home school book call seventh dai adventist and basica belief print reveiew and herald publish associ competit law jungl cooper law civil eldridg cleaver sherman cox scox uahc uah edu
soc.religion.christian	rebuild templ tcsteven iaserv ingr todd steven write chuck petch write appear that noth stand rebuild and resum sacrific scriptur will happen last dai isra govern will give permiss start hand god hold project readi happen brother and sister time hand redempt draw scriptur levit priesthood resum jew can legitim prove levit bloodlin not mistaken jewish famili name cohen kahn etc consid legitim indic descent aaron famili name levi leven etc consid legitim indic descent levi main legal issu purif priesthood suppos involv find ash red heifer last us for thi purpos year ago steven stoval stoval exet ucla edu
soc.religion.christian	tuff christian bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write don peopl understand christian not lot church life and total sacrafic for god sake love die and save typic statement irrat and brainwash person bibl written male chavnist thousand year ago holi book follow part that you suitabl for modern life ignor for heaven sake don liter hei can god inspir turn live that tuff and peopl don want real christian for strong persever you easi muslim buddhist buddha command yr older christ and opinion tougher follow buddha that intrins good christ sinner ourselv distract medit can awaken ourselv etc etc concept god buddhism opinion you can atheist and buddhist awaken easi task can you stai eat meat can you sit and noth medit for everydai buddhist suppos can you prai time dai can you fast for month year ramzan you will give your incom tith muslim fact jesu ordinari man buddha and moham philosopi ahead time live fact that christian young religion compar hindiusm judaism zoraster buddihsm probabl that bibl collect borrow idea good deal trade eastern land and middl east time christ and perhap leav crap woman creat man helper etc ara weight lift guitar plai drum take time don rush dai christian your life not church onc week help poor peopl onc box into time unit such work thi time sport social life god box and turn thi pat robertson and brain washer boi act put number turn your pledg god aliv and insid box carri into box that creat for ourselv part question you becom christian you had not indoctrin your parent you never learn religion make compar studi and claim you brain wash
soc.religion.christian	lewi ancient book articl apr atho rutger edu mayn scri fsu edu bill mayn wrote last sentenc iron sinc reader soc religion christian not embarrass apologist such josh mcdowel and lewi express odd sens histori make you mass aquina dai illiter knew rhetor and logic peopl todai write period elev that cream crop speak read and write mediev period knew rule matter uncrit accept told bill mayn thi unfair lewi promin fallaci attribut liar lunat and lord quot christian thi logic fallaci origin context not clh exactli lewi coupl pretti sever hit thi group accus righteou and unconvinc told that christian embarrass josh mcdowel comment never read work think that lewi righteou read introduct problem pain theodici explain that want publish book anonym believ argument present not want presum brave face suffer not want peopl that present kind model fortitud that consid great coward ofm adequ handl question whether embarrass lewi liar lunat lord argument part bigger discours add that embarrass lewi state continu amaz sound and clariti argument present phil hei talk phone compani phone compani doesn opinion thi kind stuff thi
soc.religion.christian	doctrin god thi post gener outlin for your person studi thi doctrin doctrin god person godhead doctrin scriptur thi import bibl pre emin revel god object studi bibl god that bibl teach that person godhead triniti god father god son lord jesu christ and god holi spirit that individu person natur mean that ident natur each possess divin attribut equal worthi worship trust and obedi matt cor john attribut characterist godhead god natur reveal name for jehovah live god etern and unchang begin and end isa god spirit john god love john such graciou merci good faith patient and full lovingkind psa psa nahum god holi and righteou absolut sin natur and incap sin word action isa god omnipres present time complet person omnisci know know thing end begin infinit wise omnipot almighti sovereign unlimit power creation god infinit presenc wisdom and power convict that work lord dai becom man center and that peopl church god that lord work god center and that peopl god understand that god sovereign thing affair nation live peopl and carri purpos salvat iii work godhead creation person godhead activ creat and activ sustain creation and order human affair for nation individu peopl end time gen john col heb salvat order understand salvat that absolut begin god not man person godhead and activ salvat god father salvat origin god member godhead determin etern past that salvat condit peopl and save and even save elect salvat recogn scriptur work god father eph thess christ son god lord jesu christ birth virgin mari earth accomplish two import work final and complet revel god father col heb provid salvat for father had chosen thi death cross bodili resurrect and present intercessori work heaven work salvat will complet for lord return rom cor heb john holi spirit author scriptur theme christ and redempt work holi spirit carri redempt plan god wai convict sin john regener bibl birth john indwel each believ fulfil work sanctif john seal believ christ make salvat secur eph baptiz believ into bodi christ cor teach believ truth scriptur john bestow spiritu gift peopl god for ministri cor restrain sin gal empow for live and for servic act lian brown internet brownli ohsu edu portland oregon
soc.religion.christian	question exactli lord god jesu christ john nkjv green gideon forc dai begin word and word god and word god word refer jesu christ thi john declar that god and jesu lord refer david psalm refer god heaven and come messiah lord onc thi refer god and jesu definit religi person not swear curs thi bibl religi peopl not christian and greatest christian irreligi answer your question bibl speak thi place previou post jame good anoth psalm lord abid your tabernacl dwell your holi hill walk uprightli and work righteous and speak truth heart not backbit tongu evil neighbor reproach friend ey vile person despis honor fear lord swear hurt and not chang not put monei usuri bribe aginst innoc thing never move rob coffei safest road coffei cptc neep wisc edu hell gradual you send mail cptc gentl slope soft underfoot never read sudden turn mileston signpost screwtap dai techwood meet wreck ball world rejoic lost home
soc.religion.christian	messiah miss post waco david koresh and second come second come real thing person claim insan not that david koresh second come christ break word second come koresh promis that come compound allow give radio broadcast didn that fool peopl and meagr knowledg bibl that christian hard jew christ dai for cautiou accept that religi author didn accept messiah surpris that had discuss difficulti want earli recogn second come time not want credul believ claim god mark and you christ not mark fals christ and fals prophet will aris and show sign and wonder lead astrai elect mark heed told you thing mark dai that tribul sun will darken and moon will not give light mark and star will fall heaven and power heaven will shaken mark and will son man come cloud great power and glori understand jesu answer that unlik come veil second come will quit unmistak tell not misl thing that happen second come actual second come will make power openli visibl koresh public statement not clear that claim christ clh
soc.religion.christian	agnost question pardon thi wrong newsgroup describ agnost singl univers suprem and will sure judg whether live good live strive achiev that good that power each complic that friend becom fundamentalist that issu feel respons proselyt guess faith thi great strain friendship problem subject didn come discuss quickli begin offend offend call into question bedrock belief offend feel subscript superstit ration such circular argument bibl god word tell bibl that question can convinc that thi subject left undiscuss can preserv area religi belief great friendship convinc that save won for advic jim tomlinson fall snow bogart project jdt voodoo boe excel snow boe comput servic uunet bcstec voodoo jdt anderson gabriel
soc.religion.christian	phone number wycliff translat concern recent post wbt sil thought pretti denounc wing organ involv ideolog manipul and cultur interfer includ vietnam and south america commiss mexican academia denounc covert polit and ideolog institut us govt instrument control regul penetr espionag and repress concern that thi group accept and even praiseworthi reader soc religion christian import that christian don immedi accept christian organ automat reproach
soc.religion.christian	esoteric compil bibliographi religi perspect esoteric hermetic gnostic mystic occult alchemi and magic and interest sourc that found interest and insight interest mediev work such chemic wed christian rosenkreutz and arthurian legend feel free send person opinion pro con anywher stephen twelker twelker id
soc.religion.christian	certainti and arrog earlier articl explain that peopl find arrog christian that christian profess absolut certianti belief and doctrin that christian insist that cannot made mistak discov belief amount that infal impicitli claim infal pretti arrog will agre short problem that matter good your sourc part your doctrin belief rest your think and reason doctrin suspect long your brain involv possibl for error summaris problem write loop call rexlex claim that loop not bother explain prefer paraphras sartr rambl wittgenstein and that conclus argument lead relativ explain you cannot reject argument fals you dislik lead fact not chang you dislik rexlex wrote disagre nanci sweeti conclus fruition lead relativ lead dispair year philosophi student can explain rexlex written not constitut refut that not wrote noth disput two sentenc rexlex post that relev point hand such thing true truth and real can experienc and verifi not disput that truth can verifi experi for exampl direct experi ad number don claim infal fact rememb sum incorrectli claim that direct experi reason number onc past experienc thing and start reason shakier ground that point earlier articl human brain infest sin and can trust limit circumst god revel that can absolut thing that you onc god revel stop and your reason begin possibl for error appear for exampl suppos that modern bibl translat includ perfect render jesu word last supper and that jesu exactli thi bodi presum that total error and absolut true can not moment stop speak and peopl start interpret possibl error appear mean that liter not not record that elabor word think tran con substati didn interpret thi passag brain and reason and draw conclus that brain not perfect think lead wrong thi that direct experi that reason fallibl can lead perfect conclus assumpt thi exampl can that jesu thi bodi that onc start make doctrin and brain reason christ reveal into troubl you infal thing you can extent that doctrin reli fallibl human think cannot that problem arrog christian that human be make mistak sure not infal christian speak reason can never lead astrai implicitli claim that infal christian rare that implicit claim wit work person you talk believ that you foolish recognis your limit intention cover thing and thing confid for exampl that sin for recognis sin directli experi thing whether base reason scriptur extra biblic think not labl infal that confid and readi explain reason awar infal speak act think flawless ridicul rexlex suggest that peopl read and not silent franci schaeffer didn highli that schaeffer grossli overr evangel christian don opinion stop you read interest opinion suggest certainti ludwig wittgenstein darren provin kilroi gboro rowan edu substanti number talk religion misc reader read wittgenstein post disappear understood wittgenstein disappear michael siemon
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss argument sabbath make point pretti clear cathol orthodox oranglican monophysit church ourght worship saturdai sola scriptura law put into effect church and chruch recogn power chruch andi byler you will note that noth faq church establish chang law argument sabbath that part ceremoni law and rest ceremoni law not bind christian thi argument base paul letter act and gener sens jesu teach peopl argu that scriptur show worship occur sundai and paul endors understand that point disput and not want disput time point make not that argument that back claim scriptur accept principl sola scriptura not commit obei entir jewish law act and paul letter quit clear that even sda accept disagr bibl place line protest give author church matter that not dictat god that church free determin liturgi church politi etc you accept that sabbath not bind christian dai worship fall into categori item individu christian sinc worship natur group activ church free decid clh
soc.religion.christian	think heaven jame sledd ask natur etern life can mortal lock into space time conceiv can metaphor analog metaphor lewi essai weight glori deal thi question recommend enthusiast you read chapter heaven book problem pain fiction treatment book great divorc found help you help treatment dant divin comedi heaven occupi last poem cannot imagin read begin urg you us translat dorothi sayer penguin paperback jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	qualiti cathol liturgi appreci follow up and repli earlier queri repli lost suggest parish york that good mass corpu christi downtown manhattan coincid last week america nation jesuit magazin carri interview myle bourk corpu christi pastor emeritu bourk direct translat american bibl note practic introduc into mass such manner that atmospher banal and sometim hilar trivial liturgi note that parent parish easter helium fill balloon distribut offertori appar aid understand word risen thi not kiddi mass attend mass want note gener spirit repli thi newsgroup offer gener moder perhap moder convers topic that lead peopl extrem behavior includ sometim peopl top remark thing that except benefit doubt gener grant christian john murrai
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr geneva rutger edu parkin eng sun write desper want jewish peopl accept messiah crucif will god jesu prai that thi cup pass thi weak never men and women live for countri nobl jesu not knew crucif not will god god will that jewish peopl accept jesu messiah and that kingdom heaven establish earth jesu head jewish peopl expect thi had happen year ago can you imagin you assum that jesu plea father thi cup pass plea escap death jesu garden man god life had had presens father result knew detail death long agoni garden that hour approach felt abandon father presens diminish each pass minut addit brought and jesu attent betray juda big impact that suffer avail for peopl reject not futur that major jesu suffer mental and spiritu physic portion tip iceburg btw john account that jesu shun becom earthli king john joh peopl miracul sign that jesu began sure thi prophet come into world joh jesu know that intend come and make king forc withdrew mountain thi not man regret not earthli king jesu knew mission redeem jew gentil peopl and establish kingdom heart thi utterli mistaken jesu dismai aspir earthli kingdom knew father will and obedi even dark passion john ata technic consult internet ata hfsi hf inc uunet hfsi ata westpark drive voic mclean fax
soc.religion.christian	hell black sabbath articl apr geneva rutger edu jprzybyl skidmor edu jennif przybylinski write hei wrong wasn jeff fenholt part black sabbath major brother christ total chang life and and wife tour sing wit and spread gospel for christ wrong black sabbath similar band wasn that group jeff fenholt claim onc roadi for black sabbath never musician band loui month back poster christian bookstor frequent turn address homosexu prostitut drug addict alcohol and headbang that show long hair and black leather jacket felt pre judg orthodox christian and headbang slightli insult lump togeth drug addict and alcohol suppos sinc drink good german beer and that make alcohol not steven salari lot danger live crew salari carc wustl edu and stupid us foul languag idea philosophi geoff tate queensrych
soc.religion.christian	harrass work us prayer new feed broken and haven receiv new hour dai you repli thi send privat email address esther demand rai set repli line that address don will work depend softwar gener wouldn expect repli email addit post you specif will vari depend your new softwar clh rate support jayn support kind word and prayer work thi compani for year engin job femal yesterdai count and realiz that occas sexual harrass thi compani time year yesterdai recent left rate photo nude woman desk drawer upset thi suppos wors man sex sheep note not idea innoc joke that awri sick idea flirt act emot terror that work dread come back work todai boss come kind question don answer militari specif shelf answer and fall pictur man sex sheep gener bibl desk for occasion inspir open corinthian and find pictur north american man boi love associ want throw think thi stuff can lock desk can lock book offic can trust that won shove into briefcas coat pocket not that home find such pictur threat raunchi note bodi make wors entir depart lunch yesterdai treat marvel secretari lunch appoint hour for leav work anoth build want lunch return find that singl person had left for lunch left bother call build even number post back depart that look neutron bomb had and sole survivor thi despit fact that knew bad felt thi nake woman left desk drawer prayer can stop cry deepli wound that ridicul feel kind sub human piec garbag for peopl reduc and sister simpli sex organ and sex act feel sub human piec garbag that not worthi simpl phone call leav for mari lunch earli that bob can back for big meet prai that resent will miracul turn into posit prai that tortur will stop and find heal for prai for heal thi latest wound fall top slew wound prai that can find job place corpor cultur prevent such harrass happen place and swiftli act appropri occur despit precaut thi compani opinion pretti word sexual harrass isn toler you that femal engin can touch inappropri left obsen threaten note left obscen pictur spoken lewdli etc time year place pretti word compani good terrifi heal latest assault and prai that don turn into automaton thi that bad habit ignor and will you not worth time don talk thi you you sub human piec garbag and deserv treat thi you object you prostitut your mind thi compani can expect you prostitut your bodi make you women aren possess and noth sex organ and abil perform sex act thi kind think that can catapault into major depress episod prai that thought don come into head and stai trigger depress prai that thi latest trauma doesn come and god wound thi invit deeper connect god and trigger for spiritu crisi that can separ mental god god doesn drop love hand easi for walk edg hand fall and forget that god hold thi isn for thi newsgroup can us kind love support you provid for thi reason hope good moder thi latest indulg allow thermomet note and wall topic advanc for your support and prayer peac you esther esther pari raytheon equip div marlboro esther demand rai esteem noth that larg small for finger john kitto lost sens
soc.religion.christian	sspx schism articl apr geneva rutger edu shellgat llo psi larri overack write you echo that question not contenti assum that pope univers jurisdict and author author you reli for your decis prevent choos doctrin and that papal disagr error that will resolv time thi true sinc council bishop basic stood pope ultim question tradit theologi church thi thing that resist pope for departur tradit doctrin church command author conflict tradit command disobei view thi that thi conflict happen major god never hair split situat develop complex for peopl figur don view present situat church extrem complic run list happen last year cathol church and imparti observ will aghast appear that li heart thi matter disagr tradit and tradit and author and disciplin problem stem gener widespread ignor cathol faith opinion cathol zilch cathol faith thi leav wide open for destruct er bishop basic reform part not even question mind that respect shard cathol church trampl cathol hierarchi list shock thing for hour situat campo brazil for exampl read book happen vatican council bishop antonio castro mayer never introduc that wake vatican tradit mass catech etc made peopl knew faith cathol theologi obedi modern etc innocul peopl come dai order rome for retir pope sick bishop castro mayer wait pope recov inquir whether thi command pope want that liber had command absenc pope confirm decis good bishop retir injustic that complet incred bishop instal proceed expel bishop castro mayer clergi church refus celebr mass bishop visit parish and celebr mass peopl promptli walk church mass bishop enrag thi resort enlist secular author eject priest church priest start build church peopl complet parish had mass bishop desir and virtual parishion prime motiv for thi complet illeg canon law priest can penal for tradit mass legisl enact pope saint piu oblig mass thi process peopl campo not privat individu includ civil author constantli send petit and letter rome modernist bishop noth arriv rome eventu priest kick and peopl question support sspx thi that your posit respect church reform chang and conform pope assum that pope posit not chang and that leader sspx don jointli make such choic not thi appear claim infal teach author adopt view that not wrong can wrong and chang mind you chang that left cathol church left pope defin thing cathedra that end controversi that process understood cathol theologi and doesn instant cathol problem that peopl not cathol world knew faith and bishop shock sould argu second come real tradit teach church thi simpl matter east and west not separ for year thi isn case cathol church massiv bodi tradit teach pope last year relev question tradit doctrin thought that teach magisterieum church not error teach faith and moral even short term wrong not roman cathol that heresi great job sinc reform last year error spread that piti infal rest pope and church short term pope larg section church can astrai fact that happen major heresi larg section church astrai pope histor reliabl will come back long run effect pope make cathedra statement sspx situat honor not you formal doctrin infal not content understand sinc orthodox real vest interest outcom honor infal infal defin that mass express cathol faith that sex educ cathol school wonder that religion wonder for that profess pope prior vatican command legitim sspx not view pope command legitim thi slipperi slope not start studi major cathol theologian last year spell west excel critic thought rememb that cathol theologian busi for centuri
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey articl apr geneva rutger edu mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write articl apr atho rutger edu randerso acad sah uth tmc edu robert anderson write your opinion thi exactli engag coupl becom marri god ey not unwil public marriag ceremoni will not distinguish real logist problem strand desert island excus such wait for and brother come back armi can ceremoni disagre peopl marri each commit fulli each life partner marri ceremoni assist emphas depth such commit noth god heart two commit fear and delus that fulli give ourselv anoth you live togeth marriag for and year knew marriag exist god don god scorebook joe moor
soc.religion.christian	certainti and arrog darren nanci sweeti kilroi gboro rowan edu write darren earlier articl explain that peopl find darren arrog christian that christian profess darren absolut certainti belief and doctrin and darren short problem that matter good your sourc darren part your doctrin belief rest your darren think and reason doctrin suspect point that darren rais lutheran viewpoint reason gift god infect sin not reject reason and darren reason darren point comprehend god revel bibl reason alon not suffici comprehend and word and foremost faith for sin mind hostil god not submit god law can roman luther accept scriptur sole mean revel sola scriptura accept necess us reason faith comprehend that revel luther baptism mad reason rush and baptism not dazzl work regard worthless larg catech fourth part baptism make matter complic luther sort theologian that peopl describ absolutist describ prison theologian conclud observ that luther inconsist mad and sure come that conclus recal that jesu call mad and peter felt compel defend and apostl charg drunken pentecost christian care reject luther mad imit berean examin scriptur dai paul true act basi for confid luther peter paul and preach gospel not reason faith and holi spirit thi not faith divorc reason faith that guid inform and reason spirit enabl truth and proclaim boldli god not want preach messag that that jesu risen dead that redeem live job christian not side pilat truth follow christ fact for thi reason born and for thi into world testifi truth side truth listen john can truth god promis that can truth jesu you hold teach you discipl you will truth and truth will set you free john proverb urg bui truth and not sell psalmist prai not snatch word truth mouth evid believ that word truth fact mouth arrog claim truth motiv glorif present truth teach scriptur reveal spirit and not invent and stand readi prove wrong basi scriptur luther not arrog humbl humbl trust god promis truth trust promis forgiv rexlex god revel that can rexlex absolut thing darren that you onc god revel stop darren and your reason begin possibl for error appear agre that make distinct clear teach scriptur and product reason even such reason base scriptur draw line distinct and academ you darren for exampl suppos that modern bibl translat darren includ perfect render jesu word last supper darren and that jesu exactli thi bodi darren presum that total error and darren absolut true can not darren moment stop speak and peopl start darren interpret possibl error appear mean darren that liter not not record that darren elabor word think tran con darren substanti didn darren almost point make lutheran statement lord supper lutheran approach that jesu thi bodi that interpret reject simpli not taught scriptur recal that jesu word not stand alon thi subject paul word corinthian pass receiv lord for whenev you eat thi bread and drink thi cup you proclaim lord death come word that bread that eat lord supper bread lord bodi sens fact thi prove that tran substanti fals suppos that paul spoke metaphor lord bodi bread simpli that bodi appear eat thi thought found scriptur reject primari reason for reject tran substanti not that can prove fals that simpli not found scriptur side remark told that lutheran doctrin real presenc con substanti lutheran told thi tend not us word almost that thi us professor compar religion label compar cathol lutheran and reform teach lord supper almost church call teach real presenc that tradit teach church end side remark darren christian speak reason darren can never lead astrai implicitli claim that darren infal christian rare darren that implicit claim wit work darren person you talk believ that you darren foolish recognis your limit intention darren cover thi precis christian not reli ration wit approach show you scriptur you decid for whether not darren rexlex suggest that peopl read and not darren silent franci schaeffer didn highli darren that schaeffer grossli overr darren evangel christian darren don opinion stop you read darren interest opinion suggest darren certainti ludwig wittgenstein long trade refer suggest siegbert becker paperback foolish god place reason lutheran theologi publish northwestern publish hous thi book base becker doctor thesi univers chicago david wagner not power confession lutheran spirit lord almighti zechariah
soc.religion.christian	question jesu alon on articl apr geneva rutger edu bjorn larsen delab sintef write can basic reason for hold belief that jesu and vice versa foundat for triniti bjorn love jesu propon answer question thi father jesu refer call son prai father and not emphas that father will and not will kind exampl that follow return father thi order that comfort holi spirit come that claim that come holi spirit such bless that worth leav and return father can that mean holi spirit doesn christian prayer begin saviour art heaven father answer question that even plausibl entertain queri left exercis reader drt david tucker drt athena mit edu misunderstand term jesu origin context baptism folk that baptism formula mention jesu father son and holi spirit thi doctrin implic not mean that folk deni exist divin father not describ thi theologi and fact includ classic call monophysit arian two view belief that consist trinitarian standard won us trinitarian languag misunderstand simpli not biblic clh
soc.religion.christian	daili vers for lord will descend heaven shout voic archangel and trumpet god and dead christ will rise aliv and remain will caught togeth meet lord air and lord thessalonian
soc.religion.christian	god shape hole accept jeesu your heart articl apr geneva rutger edu fraseraj dc glasgow andrew fraser write peopl involv figur us phrase god shape hole clh god shape vacuum that effect gener attribut blais pascal thi anoth express basic truth thing creat and for emphasi mine col rev you and creat for god natur will vacuum god not and fact chapter collosian bring thi statu christ that preemin you life allign and you will vacuum fill marc chamberland mchamberland violet uwaterloo
soc.religion.christian	radio free thulcandra dungeon dragon author view recent discuss dungeon and dragon and role plai game sinc lot crossov gamer and scienc fiction and fantasi fan will mention that editor and publish radio free thulcanra christian orient scienc fiction fanzin not christian magazin special interest scienc fiction scienc fiction fanzin special interest christian game not major topic discuss come letter argument whether satan peopl not like read rft work april issu will send sampl copi reader soc religion christian request print paper request includ snail mail address marti helgesen bitnet mnhcc cunyvm internet mnhcc cunyvm cuni edu such thing hypothet situat
soc.religion.christian	messiah jesu isn god jesu return peopl miss version bibl you read mike jesu god incarn flesh jesu and father jesu heaven dai post resurrect stint and angel assur apostl that jesu return and that will come that jesu warn that come claim that jesu return two larg part faith and you hit nerv sheila patterson cit technic support cornel univers ithaca
soc.religion.christian	revel babylon articl apr geneva rutger edu jbuddenberg vax cn muskingum edu jimmi buddenberg write bibl studi colleg revel pretti good get sort reason interpret chapter and talk woman beast and fall babylon beast antichrist differ obviou and woman repres babylon stand for rome roman cathol church view thi interpret fall babylon chapter babylon chapter cathol church hate step toe interest interpret revel and evangelist david wilkerson not that total agre interpret believ and good food for thought interpret babylon revel good that america support claim wai babylon revel world leader trade and commerc and world wept babylon fell american dollar despit japanes success centuri sought currenc world destroi wouldn world mourn bibl talk babylon home harlot sin and adulteri paraphras babylon sin affect infect world doesn that state moral decai hasn american cultur and hollywood spread feel good mental world that wilkerson strongest argument fact that revel call babylon babylon great and portrai power nation earth matter dissatisfi you state countri don you troubl agre that power nation earth thi interpret not necessarili find worthi consider jeffrei
soc.religion.christian	afterlif anoth die releas arc time and comprehend live toto visit each moment time sequenti onc not alter action thought feel had will thi life that perspect posit that will direct knowledg god and recogn each moment time wether that experi live life god will etern torment that live life grace will etern joi that resurrect bodi come not physic reconstitut present form knowledg present form fulli cogniz soul restrict for time present form you opt for immort jame sledd dimens listen for voic god
soc.religion.christian	helphelp part back each and person respons posit neg read letter and thought each sort respons marri noth read bibl and lot prayer decid letter todai told that move home anoth state that you told that find store plan built wouldn marraig comment not gonna call propos don total joke not that marri transfer and talk hopefulli interpret needless lot prai thi lot read marraig bibl dead get marri wouldn simpli not thi point christian wouldn work god marraig figur that god wanr thi touch for year can handl god happen will happen will june meetinf rel and letter befo forward guess can wait and prai decid not folk total that that wrote thi situat your prayer final wrote you for will thi email address for week anyht you want curiou folk chri
soc.religion.christian	agnost question articl apr geneva rutger edu jdt voodoo boe jim tomlinson jimt write pardon thi wrong newsgroup describ agnost singl univers suprem and will sure judg whether live good live strive achiev that good that power each complic that friend becom fundamentalist that issu feel respons proselyt guess faith thi great strain friendship disappoint you afraid your friendship danger perhap you examin such good friend you unwil accept thi imort part your friend life you call into question faith your friend chang found that fill life you decid you friend whether you can accommod life sound you critic for fundament belief bibl you quick reveal that your fundament belief that superstit perhap knew you that you interest light found that you understand becom special part life you togeth decid becom fundamentalist respect each differ and remain friend part wai even you stuck you convert you that attitud will sure your intent and begin resent you happen person toler fundamentalist that idea simpl black and white approach life appeal don happen share belief fundamentalist not offend prosylet had good convers wit door didn switch belief for home friendli face invit wit provid wonder servic you condit that religion unimport and wit obnoxi you afraid you convert and becom that you will swept fundament that you will becom weirdo friendship two street you respect your friend includ belief you want friendship continu joe moor
soc.religion.christian	bibl unsuit for christian true read peter peter warn that scriptur hard understand not learn subject joe moor
soc.religion.christian	book articl apr atho rutger edu bassili arizona edu amgad bassili write can point good book dead sea scroll qumran advanc repli mail bassili arizona edu boi girl hang christ etern gospel robinson robinson dead sea scroll lasor jame habakkuk pesher eisenman maccabe quamran eisenman dead sea scroll uncov eisenman wise dead sea scroll decept baigent leigh jesu riddl dead sea scroll thier jesu scroll joyc happi read aboard poor wayfar stranger strang strang land disclaim not employ opinion not your and mine author roger holfeltz stortek note that thi list cover quit varieti view such good you want read book bewar that coupl book that list repres view that unusu clh
soc.religion.christian	saint stori aloysiu gonzaga here stori saint that peopl read morn star and post permiss editor saint aloysiu gonzaga patron youth marqui gonzaga had high aspir for son princ gonzag want becom famou brave and honour soldier carri great famili name gonzaga becom famou brave and honour father imagin not manner expect saint aloysiu mother woman receiv immens joi prai god and medit divin mysteri and life lord had time for pleasur thi life saint aloysiu grew began resembl mother father saint aloysiu had learn numer express father soldier moment discov that vulgar faint shock thi show immens hatr sin exampl for contempt for sin time holi communion receiv archbishop milan charl borromeo great saint con secrat puriti god and ask bless virgin protect innoc for life want share lord suffer show reciproc love start deni passion avoid eat finest food wear cloth and put piec wood bed order mortifi for love god earli teen father and younger brother court spanish king phillip obedi set make mix peopl royal court for handsom polit intellig and had interest not long thi time great soldier saint saint igna tiu loyola had found societi jesu jesuit saint aloysiu began yearn final told father marqui flew into rage and forbad son becom priest short time father great citi order that tempt priesthood even trial saint aloysiu grew desir for religi life and strengthen virtu puriti marqui plan fail con front son will you will you not obei and forget thi foolish ness will not father evit repli leav sight and don return you chang your mind tear cloud ey saint left room prai lord knelt flagel had time thi time onlook rush marqui thi last brought proud man sens lord lord can gave consent for son becom jesuit year end sixteenth centuri terri ble epidem broke rome hospit full and hous jesuit open saint aloi siu hospit prepar dy for holi death saint aloysiu contract plagu carri and nurs sick for month lai burn fever and final june gave soul lord gaze crucifix invok saint aloysiu patron and imit humil puriti and confid prayer saint aloysiu gonzaga prai for brendan arthur prayer person consecr servic sword soldier god bless simon line simon shield programm viva cristo rei monash univers colleg gippsland jh switchback churchil fax
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey previou articl randerso acad sah uth tmc edu robert anderson your opinion thi exactli engag coupl becom marri god ey that two public announc plan marri made vow god and unswervingli commit anoth realiz thi subject qualifi marri join god sight discuss thi girlfriend marri legal not peopl sexual each not sexual relat decid marri eventu for financi and distanc reason will not legal marri for anoth year and half marri for life god ey faith that strong relationship and had for year and will full joi marri church find church will live area marri and will find church commun feel that two peopl commit marriag god marri and bound that commit rick szanto polk speaker rock comput engin mac suck noth person case western zeta psi rule reserv univers
soc.religion.christian	pastor author controversi denomin author vest pastor form opinion solic opinion and refer for that and us gener refer not exclud respons denomin base biblic teach you understand church independ protest and like that follow ecclesiast author church discuss role deacon and elder for your repli answer not fool folli thou answer fool folli wise conceit proverb
soc.religion.christian	hell state that not atheist not christian god recent discuss atheist and hell combin post anoth group effect you will hell interest consensu god judg men cathol told that jew buddhist etc heaven peopl not thi even atheist and pagan assum lump into thi categori hellbound you god can judg and not you for your opinion tim
soc.religion.christian	certainti and arrog last articl includ thi quot substanti number talk religion misc reader read wittgenstein post disappear understood wittgenstein disappear michael siemon call boundari wrote thi quot arrog don you convent call smilei thi suppos sidewai smilei face and that preced comment suppos funni and note that particip talk religion misc for year siemon not meat repli boundari serv excel exampl meant loop wrote that human brain infest sin and can trust limit circumst repli boundari wrote beg differ you properli form conscienc can trust virtual time move problem back level you your conscienc properli form presuppos that you capabl judg form ness your conscienc word you can that your conscienc properli form you assum that your evalu can trust assum your conclus save you lot time grant not valid reason you infal your judgement your think cannot not your conscienc properli form that suppos mean boundari anoth paradigm exampl problem you hit purpos church necess infal interpret divin revel church christian noth bunch divis sect church necess infal interpret divin revel you you thi argument anoth you that argument contain mistak you write mind finit and suscept error compet arriv induct insight confid abil distinguish true not true even area not subject experiment method huge differ confid abil distinguish true not true and infal confid lot thing absolut certainti long confid thi discuss arrog claim absolut check subject line you absolut significantli you confid you that you confid that invit peopl limit circumst you that you absolut invit peopl dismiss you not idea fallibl meet believ knowabl infal sourc truth admit possibl error reason last claim that infal result convinc that had idea darren provin kilroi gboro rowan edu thi discuss not relev origin critic feel that origin poster regard arrog idea that and wrong answer religion and that differ can etern consequ that hell and that signific danger end will admit that you reason process us reach thi fallibl principl wrong basic fact taught bibl that that misinterpret order thi level confid frame statement suffici carefulli sidestep number controversi issu haven for exampl that christian will end hell and haven attempt describ hell detail feel that view regard arrog and intoler even acknowledg that fallibl and chanc wrong don wrong lot genuin arrog christian and critic justifi case critic constitut blame messeng univers set that etern consequ for decis not fault tell you god immor for set thing that critiqu christian that find difficult respond not arrog for truth clh
soc.religion.christian	latest branch davidian apr geneva rutger edu aaron binah brandei edu scott aaron write articl apr geneva rutger edu conditt tsd arlut utexa edu paul conditt wrote sad that peopl put faith mere man even claim son god and prophet pose question that think distinguish true religion cult speak gener not specifi christian jerri falwel good morn america tuesdai ostens answer thi question basic that true religion follow messag cult follow person christian cult messag christian person jesu distinguish for exampl branch davidian cult presbyterian church doctrin differ don answer question imho don us answer can big differ davidian and christian follow sometim put feet jesu discipl basic gave lot career possibl famili and bunch follow jesu differ quit plain jesu good and david koresh not problem that legisl good and bad term principl for instanc thousand law govern legal and not hard bring peopl justic not find legal trust judg administ justic fairli and justic sinc judg don complic system involv preced and bunch stuff attempt make imperfect justic man into perfect hear justic system tell that quit opposit true problem that tend judg present materi present rant christian bad eloqu person anoth religion good thi american desir protect constitut cost even peopl bad thing that messag that import man present fals messag even mild manner that man perform tremend disservic that rambl guess that that shouldn for principl that davidian wrong not wrong follow and worship person import choos person simpl choos jesu and you choos and you wrong jesu begotten son god and jesu sin and stephen
soc.religion.christian	serbian genocid work god serb work god hmm wonder question govern unit state and europ not move end ethnic cleans serb target muslim can god us not accomplish task for esp task that pun jame sledd cute sig work
soc.religion.christian	goodby not forev prais god write inform you that accept doctor psycholog program fuller theolog seminari pasadena work long and hard and hour prayer excit for thi opportun nervou prayer reader thi group for prepar for school thi summer and for career graduat student inform reader thi group fuller pasadena california gener good place fun good church check that good for foundat that fund scholarship monei you make person contribut contract for current job end april take coupl class thi summer and move pasadena hopefulli net access fall fuller doesn enjoi interest discuss and commend for earnest search god moder for provid such wonder servic and great job run thi new group god bless you vaya con dio amiga amigo paul paul conditt internet conditt titan tsd arlut utexa edu appli research phone fax laboratori fedex burnet road austin texa univers texa postal box austin texa austin texa wonder place texa live ttttttttttttttt ttt ttt ttt ttt ttttttttttttt texa tech ladi raider ttt swc champion ttt ncaa nation champion ttt ttttttt
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr geneva rutger edu prism gatech edu boundari write anecedot materi ultim show that experi modern jew not for proselyt rabbi onc told that talmud tradit that want convert judaism turn time continu accept
soc.religion.christian	lose your temper not christian trait sheila patterson write suspect that human desir christ that christian critic and christian remind peopl wither fig tree and jesu drive monei changer templ two instanc christ show anger part human side jeff johnson jcj tellab
soc.religion.christian	qualm post thi you want engag bit convers joel delug doesn expect card clh suggest that qualm order know situat imposs evalu appropri write folk will check zeal time not imho request thi natur made for oneself for and approv idea intrus and disrespect individu revdak netcom
soc.religion.christian	prayer and advic request famili problem cloak god sustain and abid love prai prai prai prai for your brother that will assum godli role that prai for your sister law drive separ your brother and rest famili will heal prai for god give you peac knowledg that you not fix your descript that will requir devin intervent and realiz your brother respons seek godli counsel your pastor spiritu matur believ that akwai confort and will give you wisdon and direct you call
soc.religion.christian	prior articl lmvec westminst william hargreav write opinion that you save faith alon not you taught roman can squar mind teach jame conjunct lukewarm christian spat you agre that good work role you will gener find two camp faith work salvat faith salvat work work requir for salvat faith will inevit result good work opinion that salvat faith alon base ephesian and roman conclud that jame read context teach bullet jame speak justif claim that not speak god declar believ sinner innoc sight paul us word speak sinner profess faith justifi proven displai good work jame abscenc such work evid for dead useless faith fail save jame not problem for doctrin salvat faith teach work place not merit salvat evid true faith regard dave weaver fool cannot weaver chdasic sp mot gain cannot lose jim elliot number possibl reform believ salvat faith work suspect that thing ti togeth such that diagram thi form can justic clh
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god articl apr atho rutger edu randerso acad sah uth tmc edu robert anderson write your opinion thi exactli engag coupl becom marri god ey not unwil public marriag ceremoni will not you thi
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian don belief and belief wrong don belief thi simpli belief mean unfortunatli thi christian taught come religion extrem and that religion and you don accept teach you won save take quit bit arrog claim god think base your interpret book logic statement faulti that assum two peopl differ belief can correct percept two peopl exactli alik two peopl perceiv that truth call god truth univers truth call you will don god present thi truth and you for and prayer medit inspir ation dream peopl perceiv thi truth differ doesn mean wrong and exampl question glass half empti half full you can two answer contradictori and correct for your belief true not requir belief wrong person convinc evid that god will save christian hard you can critic for arrog for that wrong that arrog thi bit closer suppos had combin prophet and messiah that taught thing didn exclus and add and believ damn you critic for arrog thi case exclus messag come prophet etc wrong believ don can call arrog world isn soft place choic etern consequ can call christian messag arrog sens sens call law gravit arrog doesn give option whether fall jump build not christian for pass that complaint can make that christian wrong that god arrog clh
soc.religion.christian	proof resurect articl apr geneva rutger edu reedr cgsvax claremont edu write christ captialist pollut envior strict obedi gensi command subdu earth nazi justli punish jew for kill christ funni thi quot genesi treat anti christian christian firm command destroi earth you prove almost take quot context bibl big book you doubt you find singl case anti ecolog action take place specif teh perpetr motiv christian belief for nazi motiv german nation not christian fact despis christian weak pacifist religion and keen pagan glorif strength and warfar kill jew not german not christ killer keen kill german ethnic minor romani gypsi matthew huntbach
soc.religion.christian	sspx schism bob van cleef write papaci infal and thi matter faith pope cannot wrong hand thi not matter faith matter church law obei pope legal head church word doctrin infal choic obei thi primari problem church todai you heresi you call infallibil idea that pope thi virtual place thi countri pope infal specif and defin condit condit not met can make mistak can make big mistak coupl histor exampl come mind bishop robert grossetest perhap greatest product english cathol church point career reign pope decid instal nephew english bishop grossetest that thi happen dead bodi not word you treat pope respect even wrong problem that thi nephew collect incom and never set foot thi depriv peopl shepherd bishop grossetest quit anoth exampl that pope john xxii pope middl ag decid that soul that save not enjoi beatif vision last judgement decid that thi defin doctrin church didn quit defin thi compat cathol doctrin pope doctrin criticis church put number oppon jail even end had admit mistak shortli di recant successor made exact opposit idea dogma church you consult great cathol theologian treat such subject such robert bellarmin doctor church you will find detail discuss whether pope can person fall into heresi schism teach such theologian that command pope resist detriment cathol faith pope author for purpos build cathol church command conflict thi purpos legal moral forc
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr geneva rutger edu hayesstw risc unisa steve hay write similar analog medic doctor believ that blood transfus save life child parent jehovah wit and conscienti object blood transfus doctor effort persuad agre blood transfus perceiv arrog precis christian perceiv arrog truth belief that blood transfus save life child irrelev matter that doctor believ true and foce belief parent and thi perceiv arrog carri that step doctor not claim infal gener admit that conceiv wrong that thi case blood tranfus not turn doctor confid and convict claim genuin concern that fallibl human be acknowledg possibl that wrong that such doubt not reason and stand convict virgilio dean velasco depart electr eng and appli physic cwru graduat student roboticist train and wannabe bullwinkl that man intimid refere boss not doesn jewish carpent
soc.religion.christian	articl apr geneva rutger edu lmvec westminst william hargreav write commit christian that battl problem that roman talk save faith not deed hebrew and jame that faith deed useless you fool you that believ fulli believ life total lead and not god roman that person save faith and not scenario not believ and live part led god not believ intellectu wait not import rememb that can judg whether you commit can you judg guess closest can come situat listen statement thi can fallibl sens communion anoth bit that god prefer cold doesn condemn lukewarm christian and believ god doesn make attempt live bibl thi passag rememb that thi letter church laodicea peopl bodi christ rev talk work translat that lack concern make sick point throw opinion that you save faith alon not you taught roman can squar mind teach jame conjunct lukewarm christian spat save faith alon that faith not come alon you catch two mean can offer explan that jesu that fire for cold knew not will and made awar separ thi admonish for children not etern damnat answer not fool folli thou answer fool folli wise conceit proverb
soc.religion.christian	cell church discuss group jodfish silver uc indiana edu joseph dale fisher write defin cell church miss past thi brought cell church fundament build block cell group small group believ small group respons for ministri church evangel and discipleship emphasi relationship not program and evangel and discipl relationship base thi will rais question answer that nutshel jon reid fool cannot reid uiuc edu gain cannot lose jim elliot
soc.religion.christian	proof resurect articl apr geneva rutger edu reedr cgsvax claremont edu write cannot fail note intens suffer devast wreck world christian christ captialist pollut envior strict obedi gensi command subdu earth nazi justli punish jew for kill christ progrom innoc women burn aliv accord you not witch live moslem kill crusad god fear men destroi inquist religi war spain franc england etc christian undoubtedli caus suffer and needless loss life individu certain that instruct unquestion griev randi interest that you present mislead argument christian not massacr and horrif injustic that you relat fault peopl misunderstand jesu christ messag and modifi suit belief and aim alter ambit line present desir testament truth and good messag that carri author impli author come inevit fact that peopl will understand distort inevit consequ bibl messag that love peopl and that peopl redeem preach messag repent and give peopl deceit heart and capabl turn thi messag and contort sometim unbeliev wai thi fundament christian doctrin problem that you world ey western histori that you will find case massacr that instig peopl never claim christian not thi justifi massacr that point you tendenc present human world christian doubt that freedom countri live wasn for peac doctrin jesu christ perhap even confront harsh religion won name come mind not even freedom speech debat such subject point blame inher human tendenc thirst for power greed and hatr don point blame messag preach fundament give and denial love for christ andrew mcveigh that line question you present strang compat christian christian encourag question behaviour world and christian prais god for jesu christ and fact that can doubt belief and come back god and forgiven time and time andrew mcveigh
soc.religion.christian	cathol church poland articl apr geneva rutger edu rug zwart write write paper role cathol church poland church abort law religi educ school articl clari new religion last dai polish tribun decis that crucifix and religi class public school and that children not want religion class not forc ethic class substitut larri henl lmh shake caltech edu
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr geneva rutger edu reedr cgsvax claremont edu write basic problem your argument your total and complet relianc biblic text luke account highli suspect refer you hermeneia commentari act luke account written year fact meantim mention di and attempt find actual written sourc text come section portion act firmli establish paul account event act record galatian fail establish act account even independ proof that luke account valid find strang that you negat truth direct histor evid that you mention back assert made unequivoc that christian suffer for faith believ resurrect luke account suggest and absenc direct eyewit can claim that luke mistaken suggest that thi unequivoc assert suspect randi john ata technic consult internet ata hfsi hf inc uunet hfsi ata westpark drive voic mclean fax origin claim somewhat limit thi answer claim that wit couldn ly willign suffer for belief not show that christian suffer for believ resurrect issu whether wit agre that post you respond show that can liber conserv dogmat clh
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss thi thread talk religion soc religion christian bibl studi and interest amaz biblic argument oppos sabbath present question come mind sinc last not answer scriptur clh provid respons lot talk sabbath ceremoni answer thi sinc command law ten part biblic basi you decid that sabbath portion ceremoni you that seventh dai sabbath not applic gentil christian that mean sabbath command annul refer god not intend requir jew applic gentil christian make plain that gentil graft into commonwealth israel dariu act rom col gal into loop thi point thi classic situat side clear scriptur support and obviou argument that chang mind don repeat ourselv clh
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soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu oser fermi wustl edu scott oser write and two simplest refut impact record impact come testament guarante that book accur and that record impact happen find interest that contemporari sourc record eclips earthquak templ curtain torn etc earliest written claim jesu resurrect paulin epistl written sooner year suppos event that impact your ey that even discuss thi major impact and earli church bear testimoni impact probabl that displai bodi jesu knew person that like explan that bodi stolen discipl graverobb don bother point guard appear gospel and exactli sort thing earli christian make order counter grave rob charg testament record that jew believ bodi had stolen guard not effect made thi claim knew don forget that jesu jew and roman troublemak pilat fool and didn addit headach fishermen steal jesu bodi make had arisen sinc jesu buri grave man sanhedrin that didn buri beg question you that you that discipl stole bodi thi moment you die maintain you knew deliber lie not you discipl not talk dy for you firmli truth unbeknown you lie thi talk dy behead stone crucifixion etc for you lie you posit regard discipl steal bodi lightweight for graverobb risk sever penalti for grave rob bodi jesu wasn buri great rich thi argument that can discount that leav you back squar happen bodi ihl gene opinion express not necessarili univers north carolina chapel hill campu offic for inform technolog experiment bulletin board servic internet launchpad unc edu comment that plausibl christian scenario and typic suggest sceptic knowledg that resurrect subject event and empti tomb stori result account grow tell clh
soc.religion.christian	hell articl apr atho rutger edu dmn kepler unh edu seeker born minut write that depend heaven god king and etern heaven consist give and prais king opt for hell read love account missionari hand you love that king you and love you point assur you that etern time spent etern ecstasi you opt for that choic dana john ata technic consult internet ata hfsi hf inc uunet hfsi ata westpark drive voic mclean fax
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu reedr cgsvax claremont edu write articl apr atho rutger edu luomat alleg edu timothi luoma write articl apr atho rutger edu suppos you part christian consipraci peopl that christ had risen never mind stone burn aliv crucifixion talk scourg whip that us broken potteri metal flog beaten burn fed lion kill belief resurrect disappoint you you vastli oversimplifi thing that earli christian suffer totur wit christ for exampl act speech persuad call apostl and had flog order not speak name jesu and act apostl left sanhedrin rejoic had count worthi suffer disgrac for name appear that jewish ruler that time had avers even hear jesu name act gave you strict order not teach thi name you fill jerusalem your teach and determin make guilti thi man blood final apostl death jame zebede not rome hand martyr stephen idea resurrect can found host form religion antiqu problem not resurrect mediorc issu for tini fragment jewish popul problem that believ resurrect jesu son god and stood for and preach ministri earth that extrem difficult for peopl that had plot kill randi john ata technic consult internet ata hfsi hf inc uunet hfsi ata westpark drive voic mclean fax
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian previou articl ph vaxc monash edu articl apr atho rutger edu freenet carleton mark baker write demand scintif ration proof god exist deni god exist sinc scienc reason can natur prove you ask blindli you deni that part that make question god exist awar and reason not us abil reason becom ignor anim thi earth god want that ask you thing not visibl don thi believ blindli not not blind come into not deni reason insist reason draw conclus evid you decid advanc that your reason will act evid physic sens you cut reason possibl reach conclus physic sphere provoc inconclus conclus that physic sphere not explanatori christian claim that receiv kind evid call faith and gift god that thi evid evid thing choos reveal hide evid sens cannot you such ting exist reason evid sens won christian reason evid faith and claim that thi evid wholli consist evid sens and that evid sens part god revel not necessarilli case that knowledg god come thi rout sens physic provid evid physic realiti physic realiti type for sens for sens exist provid valid evid for reason work and sens sens impair peopl that spiritu blind thi sens belief god becom act sight and disbelief blind you that scienc and reason cannot prove not us can faith alon and sinc can us faith pictur god hinduism valid anoth christian faith not oppos reason simpli sourc evid reason oper clear that human be system for explain evid physic sens and similarli system for explain evid provid faith religi believ gener and christian us reason sift evid come clearer understand evid provid faith scienc claim good reason valid system for explain physic univers and christian claim good reason valid system possess evid for explain god revel man you doubt that christian us reason read thi newsgroup for and you will ration debat aplenti mark baker task not cut jungl freenet carleton irrig desert lewi
soc.religion.christian	tuff christian write anonym ask you becom christian you had not indoctrin your parent you never learn religion make compar studi and claim you brain wash becom christian indoctrin parent and studi buddhism fairli carefulli and religion lesser degre made decis accept truth claim christian lot thought point that process not pure cold ration power experienti element calvinist rest assur that don lai respons for outcom convers god year and year for thi happen had object that thi poster put forward grew shadow gener authoritarian conserv denomin and knew that that wasn life that adopt gradual learn not tar christian brush and realiz quit suddenli cold winter night that accept had heretofor reject quit that not brain wash bill hovingh
soc.religion.christian	hebrew grammar text choos english german phil sell write tire hors slightli twist want good english languag text for learn ancient hebrew and compar german educ text qualitywis idea can figur bui for studi wait back impress that for advanc work you will german refer work lexicon concord for time encount person prefer deal textbook written nativ languag you german and germani pick refer book you you can handl work reput sinc german rusti book koehler lexicon mandeldern concord jenni westermann theolog dictionari divin school seminari state lot languag instruct don basi for comparison amount languag instruct seminari vari wide depend denomin heritag school presbyterian and reform seminari place lot emphasi biblic languag divin school that doctor program biblic studi extens languag resourc quit master degre grant seminari attitud you interest give you semest long don understand pattern louisvil presbyterian seminari for year student intens week introductori languag cours each languag semest long exegesi cours that hebrew august exegesi fall greek januari exegesi spring cours requir for graduat half student advanc biblic work that requir languag work
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey articl apr geneva rutger edu rob mit edu write lewi that wed princip that marri each church and state present wit thi not lewi summari standard cathol theologi thi doesn mean that presenc wit option odd situat standard desert island clh origin wrote person ask thi question person decid post inform had topic spoke pastor parish cathol recent coincid thi subject explain that for coupl marri presenc priest import recogn church church recogin commun believ member church degre held account each hypothet that mythic coupl desert island place world that not priest avail for marriag regular basi coupl marri priest present priest testifi marriag come area rememb religion teacher high school that marriag ceremoni not for benefit coupl for benefit commun marri coupl respons commun stai marri divorc set bad exampl for commun coupl vow becom anoth commun reli that coupl coupl marri wit not anul priest present anul simpli admiss church that had declar marriag not fact marriag for reason don start get marri back seat station wagon and give anul half hour tend agre respons back that coupl becom marri consum marriag add that coupl marriag consum sex whether not intend marri assum will partner sexual act coupl prepar rais children result that sexual act benefit parent sex commit god ey digress god you malcusco
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soc.religion.christian	religion and religion famili never religi sing christma carol limit for never believ god and heaven don that don exist sort undecid lot peopl guess think lot and wonder religi peopl can convinc that god feel want not us believ thing proof can that isn god can that wonder you brought religi famili and never believ can understand your belief and faith god can strong anoth question that frequent cross mind religion correct you choos religion and you that christian god exist and god religion don you feel peopl follow religion atheist and peopl agnost suppos you respect religion and accept belief valid your isn contradict religion can your religion valid you respect for not religi follow religion you christian scriptur correct event bibl suppos happen suppos stori moral show true christian behav gener follow christian idea suppos fairli univers religion not kill steal etc and love neighbour for want express part find hard actual belief god final god attitud peopl don quit gener fairli good peopl sure not believ doesn make wors person not find wonder strongli want and find religion waffl bit write idea into head repeat bit for paul simmon discuss evid for christian recent that you prefer respond thi email post clh
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss wrote respons dlecoint garnet acn fsu edu dariu lecoint not clear faq paul comment esteem dai anoth rom that paul god interpret word paul higher prioriti direct word jesu matt paul begin roman weak faith you count weak faith accept that dariu honor lord equal accept that esteem dai alik similarli honor lord bibl jesu paul close roman hand person doubt eat guilti isn act faith and failur act faith sin gau isbn you read ten command portion law you read jesu word matt doubt your mind and sin greek hamartia miss mark clear that not unambigu proof that regular christian worship dai respons passag cite ten command and jesu word matt fairli clear not difficulti passag that talk nnregular christian meet explicitli and gather sundai for worship piec inform noth aim answer thi question matt doesn answer your question dai christian met hous act despit dariu confus describ act occur sundai doesn gather paul that gather for break bread break bread roughli synonym eat obviou read thi that dai week simpli mean time gather for worship you unit thi concept ten command and jesu word matt reason implic and not clear statement that author assum that reader knew christian worship clh assum that ten command and jesu word matt stood for perhap strong faith don that paul can overrul god paul write for larg gentil audienc law regard jew time and bind jew not gentil rule that bind human be call noachic law quit minim issu that church had face jesu death gentil want follow christ decis not impos law didn that law abolish simpli acknowledg that fact that didn appli gentil contradict mat can paul and jewish christian continu particip jewish worship sabbath continu obei law issu and gentil christian not cover law not ceremoni aspect jesu dealt jew can assum that mat direct jewish audienc interact gentil time centurion slave heal and coupl term us describ centurion luke suggest that god fearer gentil god had not adopt jewish law commend jewish elder worthi person and jesu accept such thi that jesu accept prevail view that gentil not accept law involv you want compar jesu and paul law order full pictur role law come grip paul appar reject law and that relat jesu commend law read paul that law serv purpos that sens superced thi issu isn abolit law middl discuss paul note that understood thi and assur that that not intend see law primarili present convict peopl sin ultim imposs standard and that superced christ paul comment not world clearest and not agre read interest thing notic that even thi radic posit not entail abolit law remain uncompromis standard not iota dot remov for purpos convict sin import that not relax for christian not end ultim live faith not law theoret categori us end jesu and paul come similar conclus quot passag mat context rest sermon mount jesu show interpret law not iota dot suggest liter read fact that not jesu approach jesu interpret emphas intent law and stai ceremoni detail for take free attitud sabbath and kosher law scholar claim that mat context cent jewish discuss jesu accus oppon care give tenth even minor herb neglect thing that matter justic merci and faith and care cup and plate clean not fact that insid peopl us full extort and rapac mat thi and discuss mat suggest that jesu specif view law mind and that talk maintain law full strength think aspect paul conclus similar talk law superced specif exampl involv ceremoni law such circumcis and sabbath quit concern maintain moral standard net result thi that paul talk law superced and jesu talk law maintain talk aspect law paul embroil argument circumcis natur letter respond specif situat aspect law that caus troubl law specif jewish ceremoni not intend abolish divin standard conduct hand jesu commend law talk law broadest implic for moral and human relationship and deemphas aspect that give paul troubl unfortun that peopl us term wai familiar that current conflict term famili valu special mean current context imagin poor historian futur figur famili valu us code word for opposit homosexu specif period law had similar role argument paul involv paul not reject jewish valu that term law peopl concern famili valu movement oppos famili valu clh
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey articl apr geneva rutger edu mcd brunel michael davi write honor law state and peopl will perceiv cultur insensit declar marri civil ceremoni coupl unwil commit publicli wit and record that prima faci evid that commit isn michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	immateri afterlif hell real articl zaym spss goer midwai uchicago edu write thought di simpli sheol notion heaven christian base part that speak immateri afterlif richard goerwitz goer midwai uchicago bitnet goer midwai uchicago edu rutger oddjob elli goer bibl teach immateri afterlif taught that jew and christian found notion incomprehens don christian resurrect bodi you mean materi simpli stuff made element that and love stan armstrong religi studi dept saint mari univers halifax armstrong huski stmari att clyde watmath water dalc armstrng
soc.religion.christian	sspx schism jhpb sarto budd lake joseph buehler cathol will decid side pope sound thi papaci infal eventu pope will straighten thi hand unsound thi that short term pope wrong and such cathol noth situat obei wrong fact situat grave sin obei wast great opportun fail love christ heroic time that thi badli joe your logic excap papaci infal and thi matter faith pope cannot wrong hand thi not matter faith matter church law obei pope legal head church word doctrin infal choic obei bob bob van cleef peac revc garg campbel land garg bb you bb you want faq infal doctrin infal not that pope cathol theologian acknowledg that number occas pope wrong two aspect infal gener concept that long run church protect error thi not mean that imposs for wrong turn time anoth specif concept papal infal that specif circumst papal statement can infal rel small fraction statement meet criteria thi not absolv cathol duti obei even ordinari teach pope teach made that explicitli infal clh
soc.religion.christian	christian for christian articl apr geneva rutger edu mussack austin ibm write for exampl univers exist whether not find thi pascal wager and spend live search wast live meaningless and suppos univers billion year and suppos last anoth billion year suppos live that noth that small that scari search for friend earth noth aren scare find thi view christian quit dishearten and sad idea that life mean import creator not basi for belief and logic appal god exist want heard thi line reason and preval modern societi peopl convinc life hopeless pollster and newscast state don thi good reason becom religi you want mean not join cult such waco leader will give you secur blanket you desir larri henl lmh shake caltech edu
soc.religion.christian	christian parent sociolog student and research into young offend group children rais home moment formlul inform disciplin christian home you parent thi catagori can you email your respons questionair respons will treat confidenti and will us prepar stat ag sex children you spank your kid you us implement spank you not spank method disciplin you us your ag your locat ag you commit crimin offenc er you disciplin kid you advanc for repli you can make mail your repli post newsgroup hope obviou that respons thi question like problem us for research purpos reader not like random sampl christian and thi form not inform act stratifi sampl perhap familiar research method want correspond clh
soc.religion.christian	anger articl apr geneva rutger edu new cbnewsk att write paul conditt write insert delet paul and aaron discours anger ref galatian don obviou not speak act flesh speak emot emot not moral immor good bad emot step not label emot good bad numb ourselv that hide true feel accept ourselv god accept can colossian and ephesian emot can control and god put strong emphasi control paul write timothi make teach control insert delet remaind paragraph aaron don quick judg forgiven aid dealt and respons for feel and made choic for action such feel not anger and read for joe issu control feel and action for action stem feel instanc for god give anger that come joe moor joe fisher
soc.religion.christian	tuff christian articl apr geneva rutger edu mdb uki edu name write bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write don peopl understand christian not lot church life and total sacrafic for god sake love die and save typic statement irrat and brainwash person bibl written male chavnist thousand year ago holi book follow part that you suitabl for modern life ignor for heaven sake don liter leav heaven for sake prai that dan liter that god intend dan your view group appear correct point view found group meet requir laid bibl mean discipl jesu clue wwc mail you touch hei can god inspir turn live that tuff and peopl don want real christian for strong persever insert delet rant religion center dan origin context dan familiar thi you point don want turn and discipl clue not taught exactli that and turn follow jesu block difficult doctrin taught uncar pharise and teacher law jesu point take follow and discipl luke and luke question peopl ignor command and treat option don answer thi insert delet part question you becom christian you had not indoctrin your parent you never learn religion make compar studi and claim you brain wash parent had noth god had and for attack respons that disagre your tone and appear judgment statement possibl point slander talk peopl not you respons state fly handl discours noth discuss dan and happier time your respons joe
soc.religion.christian	interdisc bibl research inst interdisciplinari bibl research institut oper hatfield interest theori earth oppos young earth and evolut master charlei seek god and you will find thing pierc pleasur seek pleasur and you will find boredom disillusion and enslav john white ero defil note that not accept discuss evolut dedic group for that talk origin clh
soc.religion.christian	helphlphelphelp thi somewhat long plea read boi glad you decid read thi problem that peopl detail thi ahead and you that sound thi not boi meet girl problem not total that year sophmor ncsu year ago famili and vacat coast cottag rent across street th girl whistl whenev name erin friend that week beach and write each for year period year lost contact that ago erin live kansa and last year letter that come back famili gonna drove hour thi begin spent dai erin dai life even had write each had us person incred woman met year older btw mean person world for person not incred beauti not mention leagu not unattract mind you had great person and great senc humor famili famili church that extent christian you kind peopl christian you idea such thing love sight found that last year kid you not that thought dai sinc letter erin and kid each not find date true for can for had problem home folk split and end leav school present give you part letter last week explain life you not anymor isn colleg wasn click greek life big and that isn wasn take class that interest idea want life interest medic physic therpi love work kid didn work for thi univers and parent work full time bass store bass shoe that and part time job local daycar work infant room enjoi spice week bit and great experi not plan back school futur main reason indecis want studi definatlei plan back coupl year idea for thing won kansa noew discuss promot boss and district manag train store work for month assist manag and that basic list store newli built chose manag pretti decid carolina hopeulli close beach wouldn fun each onc year you abou that your opinion thi job pretti temporari good pai and thye manag experi good applic resum compani solid and treat employe good benefit bonus medic plan year full time servic will reimburs tuition school monei waitng for thi will sinc will end pai state tuition wherev chri you decis respect your opinion complet lost for for soooo long that opportun sound good job that want life reatil manag don earn year for year femal bad your career decis solv your problem marri you can your pilot thing sometim not will make you happiest worri home life you uptight you meant marraig thing dream night marri and mention letter don sinc move carolina search bass store and ask come carolina pick peopl graduat high school and marri mean had lot stress exam and fact that don date beacaus time not that that colleg women wrap social scene greek whic christian can support and doesn greek thing stun girl that attract pai real attent mean move and sophmor struggl class prai thi past year time time god situat open thi sign more that make wors call terribl phone don even talk friend for longer minut mean girl perfect want averag gui confus can chri feel that talk chri directli email clh
soc.religion.christian	sex educ articl apr atho rutger edu jviv usmi midland chevron john viveiro write spend signific amount time correct error reliabl test for condom and abstin year ago that famou studi that show failur rate for condom studi show failur rate for abstin that adult coupl reli abstin prevent pregnanc pregnant alarm number didn willpow abstain and think that thi will work high school kid told that plan parenthood siecu style valu free method that teach contracept technolog and advis kid make choic increas pregnanc rate post long articl thi back and will happi email copi interest articl includ sourc contact for inform research verifi statement and outstand sourc for info acquir abstin relat curricula even singl copi quantiti for home us research produc result that abstin relat curricula found decreas pregnanc rate teen assum that reason assum that aid rate will fluctuat pregnanc rate differ not contracept technolog valu taught children siecu curricula taught kid that legitim choic abstin relat curricula taught that not legitim choic abstin valu system that strongest determin behavior behavior kid despit track record abstin relat curricula suppress favor curricula that produc effect contrari that desir question for discuss textbook don teach safe drug us kid drug abstin isn that class us drug safe you choos us drug increas drug us isn drug abstin educ bar school teach religion aren abandon children will us drug and instruct safe us joe kellett jkellett netcom
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu johnsd rpi edu write articl atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org jayn kulikauska write drug replac for christ empti spot god shape hole heart eas pain heard thi claim quit time god shape hole busi thi effect substanc abus recoveri program involv meet peopl spiritu you want provid evid time you make claim thi step program alcohol anonym step involv acknowled higher power and step abus recoveri program acknowledg effect evid for god thi can dismiss state that defect person make substanc abus make peopl religi and debunk perhap acknowledg that religi crutch drug addict maintain that escap and suspect that atheist find substanc abus prefer christian that essenti problem commun christ ian and atheist that christian necessarili ourselv incomplet and need god god shape hole atheist necessarili suffici atheist christian guilti moral weak and cowardli stand for christian atheist guilti consider arrog us term atheist refer person definit convict that god oppos not and not care god seanna watson bell northern research prai that end live seanna bnr ottawa ontario canada philosophi and creed god will find peopl busi opinion opinion opinion plant tree and sow seed not bnr mine knew left fred kaan spell sow author name iter sig will keeper
soc.religion.christian	good articl jxo spss luomat alleg edu write thi dumb christian that can never live requir god wrong that understand doesn spend live reach goal can never achiev that save faith and not work that mean that onc save don jame tell that faith work dead paraphras thi work long that good thing come want miss point love god come love and love find that not good not sign even harder roman sign seek god awar jesu presenc want strenth love that empow weak stan armstrong religi studi dept saint mari univers halifax armstrong huski stmari att clyde watmath water dalc armstrng
soc.religion.christian	justifi war exist netter question discuss such thing justif war love basi scriptur for war wrong war justifi thing start outlin ask question high school dai had quit involv zealand cadet forc thi bit rotc understand lot emphasi fun militari career train thi extrem enamour fly becom involv sport glide and great interest militari aviat hardwar real flyer for favourit comput game accur simul militari aircraft past and present christian year ago and time reject militari activ immor for war complet opposit god command love anoth enemi war iraq found great excit listen report effect attack aviat technolog admir stealh bomber and strike aircraft etc war conclud began enjoi simul base thi conflict great and bomb saddam bio weapon plant comput shoot mig simul death peopl wonder game imagin real pilot view real thing languag us that person impact war build contain peopl aircraft flown pilot simpli target dead civilian collater damag euphan remov realiti war peopl support for continu wage war vietnam import public opinion troop sponsor unit nation enter somalia and prospect militari intervent muslim croat serb conflict yugoslavia revuls sieg sarajevo and last dai bout spell sebrenitsa caus rethink stand justifi war will list war last year can each and thi justif thi not simpli gut reaction each case benefit imparti histori bring and state reason for reaction not historian excus histor blunder work popular histori zealand second world war murder jew hitler had stop massiv civilian casualti side dresden hiroshima nagasaki justifi korean war polit expansion north korea basic commun capit not justifi vietnam worsen involv vietnames invas cambodia genocid khmer roug justifi iraq desert storm polit expansion threat world oil suppli factor such genocid not justifi futur involv bosnia genocid call ethnic cleans emot coverag atroc and civilian casualti justifi futur us nuclear weapon tactic strateg world respons libya israel feel thi simpl nuclear war weapon abhorr love zealand govern stand ban nuclear arm power warship port never justifi view look scriptur and confus view base scriptur don want naaahh yer wrong answer for your alastair thomson phone chief programm fax black albatross porject univers otago depart comput scienc mail alastair farli otago box athomson otago dunedin nextmail zealand god love world that gave son die place that etern life john paraphras
soc.religion.christian	coupl marri us marriag commission for alaska court system sort justic peac had great difficulti that duti us prai earnestli courthous bathroom ceremoni ask that coupl come and fulfil true holi and divin purpos marriag coupl didn realiz that marriag god institut not state gradual conclud that act strictli secular public capac establish such state and expect coupl involv conduct pure secular legal civil event greater moral religi implic had conduct civil trial coupl told mid ceremoni hurri help thi conclus thought had neatli ration clear and sharp distinct marriag god and marriag state had deal divorc keep matthew mind felt that state had busi dissolv marriag establish god assum jurisdict nonetheless you propos answer thi question thi issu logic extens intercours mental intent parti ceremoni church combin thereof establish marriag moment dissolv karl thoenn iii univers alaska
soc.religion.christian	divin provid murphi law roman rsv that god work for good love call purpos murphi law can wrong will quit familiar amplif and commentari murphi law harmon that roman for that matter humor contradict scriptur tim rolf rolf dsuvax dsu edu rolf junior dsu edu
soc.religion.christian	accept jesu your heart religion christian noth drug peopl us drug escap realiti christian inject jeezu and live that high you christian mark
soc.religion.christian	name sequel think idea that rais michael covington that word mean mean etymolog reflect word meant childhood and trace thi shape attitud grew home christ bad word peopl angri word christian meant not jew carri connot other threat enemi time figur that connect christ and christian accept jesu expect disown becom christian meant join enemi knew traitor level agre prepar pai thi price esau sold birthright made bargain stew incompar rich know christ turn parent not disown found that hope phase that grow time had decid wasn phase sort us didn disown didn complet accept situat for exampl didn come wed church visit grandmoth hospit dai death concern you jew meant that love and forgav not jew christian conced that like chicken soup matzoh ball not kosher not celebr sabbath saturdai son not circumcis thing true peopl jew not rule that make peopl jew heritag past gave past thi find hard relat messian jew experi unlik mine jew jesu even that stage life heritag not valu gave sens that give for god small sacrific unnecessari sacrific gave and not want for back and don heritag born anoth outcast hous israel member church thing cathol christian that rich tradit feel onc root past thi reason don peopl mess christian tradit for exampl chang name easter tradit fill import emot mine suppos point thi that peopl shouldn assum that believ jewish background for jewish christian good name for oxymoron jayn kulikauska jayen mmalt guild org
soc.religion.christian	tuff christian articl apr geneva rutger edu mdb uki edu name write bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write hei can god inspir turn live that tuff and peopl don want real christian for strong persever you easi muslim buddhist good point buddhism etc delet christian true christian hard follow faithfulli not mean that discount valid and difficulti religion admir religion will make kind sacrific and dedic spiritu you talk delet and perhap leav crap woman creat man helper etc you thi christian not christian thi stori liter sound you support polici each anoth exampl that help faith word bibl liter support and respect that time don rush dai christian your life not church onc week help poor peopl onc box into time unit such work thi time sport social life god box and turn thi pat robertson and brain washer boi act put number turn your pledg god aliv and insid box don judg christian man man can judg christian jesu make sens point put live into box true your comment robertson that carri into box that creat for ourselv part question you becom christian you had not indoctrin your parent you never learn religion make compar studi and claim you brain wash rais agnost father never baptis and rais atheist not atheist found close minded present viewpoint parent equal close minded found viewpoint christian contact free choos live life and support decis made join episcop church emphas that respect for belief result not intrud belief not convert that decis flame advic convert good friend hindi and greatli respect belief and cultur surround religion friend jewish and held profound resepct for jewish religion chaim potok and isaac bashevi singer two favorit author not you can make that kind gener christian choos and mean choos faith not conscious accept faith adult live confirm repres you can talk brainwash vera you choos not decid you made choic rush freewil
soc.religion.christian	agnost question perhap you can your friend that you feel pressur continu discuss thi topic sure doesn feel you pressur into you feel uncomfort sinc christian choic make realiz that thi friendship feel you miss great and you sinc you you can learn christian you can that you make that choic and choic you respect for that person that christian mission christ show faith and happi that faith and make peopl talk you not impos your belief definit impos differ hope made clear not correct vera your clock bind todai vera noy your religion strong name noy midwai uchicago edu you triniti disclaim lard patrick breastplat disclaim
soc.religion.christian	sspx schism materi michael davi subject schism gener and archishop lefebvr wrote part two part articl scandal activ archbishop weakland thi countri cut that and pare rest relev joe buehler schism and disobedi thoma aquina schism consist primarili refus submiss pope communion member church unit sight that subject motiv archbishop discuss state object schism refus submit pope grave matter involv suprem power jurisdict standard cathol textbook theologi make clear that schism involv disobedi not act disobedi schismat thi note begin thi articl mean that number american bishop not schismat not reach doubl figur distinct disobedi and schism made clear articl schism authorit dictionnair theologi catholiqu articl father yve congar friend archbishop lefebvr explain that schism and disobedi similar that confus father congar write that schism involv refus accept exist legitim author church for exampl luther reject papaci father congar explain that refus accept decis legitim author instanc not constitut schism disobedi cathol encyclopedia explain that for cathol schismat intend sever church li add that not disobedi schism order possess thi charact includ transgress command superior denial divin command not mgr lefebvr not deni divin pope command affirm repeatedli recognit pope author and intent never break rome archbishop made attitud clear juli august issu dai prai for pope dai noth chang consecr last june not sedevacantist recogn john paul legitim pope cathol church don even that heret pope that modernist action favor heresi intrins schismat princip argument us claim that mgr lefebvr schism that consecr bishop papal mandat intrins schismat act bishop carri such consecr claim becom ipso facto schismat thi not true such consecr intrins schismat act involv penalti excommun code canon law offenc punish suspens canon code pope piu xii had rais penalti excommun respons establish schismat church china consecr illicit chines bishop differ radic consecr carri mgr lefebvr profess intent repudi author pope that deni that govern church and illicitli consecr chines bishop mandat exercis apostol mission archbishop lefebvr bishop consecr claim that power jurisdict consecr sole for purpos ensur surviv societi carri ordin and perform confirm not minim graviti step mgr lefebvr consecr bishop papal mandat matter ordin priest involv refus practic primaci jurisdict belong divin roman pontiff archbishop argu that crisi afflict church not grave and that grave measur need respons appear for grant archbishop critic that excommun for offens schism and vatican guilti foster thi impress not modicum truth thi alleg code canon law includ section begin canon entitl penalti for specif offens poeni singula dicta part deal offens religion and uniti church delicti contra religionem ecclesia unitatem canon deal offens schism evid togeth apostasi and heresi fundament offens uniti church archbishop not excommun term thi canon canon involv offens religion uniti church canon cite excommun come section penalti for specif offens entitl usurp ecclesi function and offens exercis munerum ecclesiasticorum usurpation degu delicti inii exercendi canon question canon read bishop consecr bishop and person receiv such consecr bishop pontif mandat incur automat lata sententia excommun reserv holi scandal attempt smear archbishop lefebvr offens schism contrari truth and chariti compar smear civil oppos ecclesiast law justifi legal action for libel involv massiv damag accur parallel state that man convict manslaught had convict degre murder stress that written not dubiou opinion laymen unvers intricaci canon law canon lawyer shred sympathi for mgr lefebvr repudi charg schism made total unten father patrick yaldrini dean faculti canon law institut catholiqu pari note juli issu valeur actuel that explain mgr lefebvr not excommun for schism for usurp ecclesiast function ad that not consecr bishop constitut schism conferr apostol mission illicitli consecr bishop thi usurp power sovereign pontiff prove intent establish parallel church cardin rosalio lara presid pontif commiss for authent interpret canon law comment consecr juli issu repubblica hard imagin authorit opinion cardin wrote act consecr bishop papal mandat not schismat act fact code that deal offens divid into two section deal offens religion and uniti church and apostasi schism and heresi consecr bishop pontif mandat contrari offens exercis specif ministri for exampl case consecr carri vietnames archbishop ngo dinh thuc and archbishop excommun not consid commit schismat act intent breach church not simpli unjust ludicr suggest that consecr bishop papal mandat archbishop lefebvr had intent establish schismat church not schismat and will never schismat archbishop consid correctli that church undergo worst crisi sinc arian heresi and that for good church for consecr bishop ensur futur societi canon law for such situat and even believ that futur societi guarante consecr fact that archbishop believ sincer that not mean canon law state that not incur excommun vatican such prelat archbishop weakland undermin faith impun cannot expect cathol pai attent sanction great and orthodox archbishop entir life devot servic church and salvat soul eric saventhem presid intern una voce associ inform laymen church and archbishop intim saventhem greater desir reconcili mgr lefebvr and holi archbishop lifetim quotat statement saventhem publish februari remnant merit care studi retrospect road lead consecr june appear pave grave roman and papal omiss lefebvrist obstin and ey inform public thi cannot hidden attempt present archbishop act grave disobedi offens faith todai that mgr lefebvr erron concept tradit thi cardin ratzing not behalf pope address archbishop word letter juli your ardent desir safeguard tradit procur for mean live and prosper testifi your attach faith time holi father understand your concern and share
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart jason smith jason atlastel wrote discuss begin univers exist law natur and effect dictat thi layman mind causal event reason altern exist argu that causal properti spacetim preced effect you claim that answer univers spacetim emerg noth scienc good candid for answer wonder christian us question scienc atheism cannot answer argument hope thi group thi question popular question question origin univers exist for that matter thi question split into two part exist exist and univers emerg noth clear scienc noth question meaning question isn die hard skeptic human attempt doubt exist sinc easi doubt cannot world exist mind fool can exist exist not exist insert shakespear quot that not exist cannot doubt exist that exist can doubt exist thi pointless exist return origin question that not exist not reason for exist thi not whether exist mind assum that world exist independ mind object postul question exist can counter demand answer question noth nothing exist question turn devoid mean thing that exist and thing that don exist don exist tautolog doubt god answer thi question christian talk that god exist problem thi answer inevit lead conclus that god exist good and evil devil and angel and thi pantheism not christian anoth answer that god sourc exist thi sound tempt god exist god sourc exist can mean that term human time exist thi not sourc exist thi argument sound god not exist meta exist and meta exist perspect creat exist thi nonsolut mere twist word answer heard that human reason incap understand such question atheist not accept such answer sinc not method second question univers emerg noth belong domain scienc and for not doubt question can answer method cosmologist suggest that for univers emerg vacuum thi possibl suggest recent hawk biographi lizhi shuxian creation univers world scientif sci group for discuss thi can law natur demand that isn true natur super natur thi not true scienc collect model tell not happen cannot good reason question bound natur thing assum that supernatur domain exist supernatur be exist exist genet code will deciph lifetim will not man convert inert materi into sustain reproduc life never prophet can even pictur york mind don technolog produc that spark life despit part opinion thi opinion call vital that live system fundament inanim system christian gener adopt thi posit happen scientist announc creat primit life small bacteria lab problem your propheci artifici life creat not chemic form comput simul evolut system that aliv bacterium code electron metabol recent book steven levi artifici life quest for creation jonathan cape london artifici chemic life corner spark life found live system not violat physic law you don mind send prayer your behalf your research you christ delud ourselv you noth worri exactli thi atheist not post evangel atheist argument soc religion group sinc peopl seek find peac religion allow gather togeth ask question alt atheism talk religion misc christian not read group petri petri pihko kem pmp mathemat truth pihati finou oulu physic rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistri game
soc.religion.christian	question that bee bother wquinnan sdcc ucsd edu malcusco write problem scienc that assum for ourselv god endow abil produc life sexual relat for exampl not make that avail that mean that scienc can ride god decis alter that god will for power decid and not children men allow babi that made word don that physic knowledg great deal impact power god past god gave abil creat life sexual relat give abil creat life vitro fertil differ two cosmet and even gain abil creat univers won begin approach glori god power test and that case will us abil unwis peopl sexual unwis for millenia and haven heard outcri abolish matter extend dominion physic world aren imping god power attempt gain control spiritu world thing that can approach scienc and logic that begin interfer god alan terlep and scorpion oakland univers rochest natur atterlep vela ac oakland edu
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian ph vaxc monash edu write articl apr atho rutger edu freenet carleton mark baker write thi not true athiest posit that proof exist god peopl accept church priest straight scriptur proof thi not satisfi atheist you haven fulli explain atheist posit theist that proof exist god choos haven found argument for atheism that can quickli broken unprov assumpt thi isn problem faith you that you can provid pure logic argument for nonexist god you ask blindli you deni that part that make question god exist awar and reason not us abil reason becom ignor anim thi earth god want that you that scienc and reason cannot prove not us can faith alon and sinc can us faith pictur god hinduism valid anoth christian ahh you us scienc and reason you faith belief scientif method for exampl physic law univers stabl observ realiti valid basi for determin truth object realiti exist logic argument valid answer question can you prove alan terlep and scorpion oakland univers rochest natur atterlep vela ac oakland edu
soc.religion.christian	messiah desire bradlei mindlink desire bradlei write and meagr knowledg bibl that christian hard jew christ dai for cautiou accept that religi author didn accept messiah thi good point christ person claim messiah fact number messiah activ area time roman conquest fall masada statement made apostl repeat attempt give jesu sword give militari power point fact that didn realiz true natur reign fact statement bibl can orient explain thi definit messiah jew preach alan terlep and scorpion oakland univers rochest natur atterlep vela ac oakland edu
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell two common thread run post atheist newsgroup and that can us explain each don direct quot handi atheist that die die forev god condemn fail etern death unfair don problem christian hell definit etern death exactli atheist expect die reason hell aw peopl etern death bad liter interpret bibl will problem thi view sinc bibl talk fire hell and such person don that peopl hell will thrust into flame expect jesu doubl edg sword issu mouth treat statement metaphor alan terlep and scorpion oakland univers rochest natur atterlep vela ac oakland edu rush angel fear tread jodi
soc.religion.christian	tuff christian articl apr geneva rutger edu mdb uki edu name write part question you becom christian you had not indoctrin your parent you never learn religion make compar studi and claim you brain wash you write christian peopl christian famili thi not true quit peopl thi group can attest includ richard aquina chonak norri mit edu usenet addict intp seek job chang sy mgr vax si cobol dtr progr unix
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss respons discuss sabbath andrew byler comment that sola scriptura worship saturdai chang sundai law made church and don acknowledg author make law note that protest not sundai worship law clh not refer faq sabbath admiss post bibl studi group thi prompt send faq argument sabbath that part ceremoni law and rest ceremoni law not bind christian you cannot show scriptur that weekli sabbath part ceremoni law you post text repli investig context you accept that sabbath not bind christian dai worship fall into categori item individu christian sinc worship natur group activ church free decid can church decid and not sin interest divin imper establish rule oper cannot creativ god explicitli spoken dariu normal protest interpret sundai not law and worship anoth dai not sin church free decid dai will meet free decid hour not sin worship dai you belong church that worship sundai and you show mondai you will worship alon clh
soc.religion.christian	poem sophomor roman sophomor truth and turn bask admir peer modern dare liber modern dare liber chant sophomor american doesn that question modern skeptic cynic ask modern skeptic cynic urban cosmopolitan politician appoint not elect happen live two thousand year ago politician care ideal result end mean keep job and head call bit brutal firm kinder and doubt stalin laugh lax didn job perhap longer hope for fear wors head and wili jew head win tail you lose conundrum brought madman impuls plai roman find noth wrong mention king and caesar heart froze kill madman start riot and lose job and head save king jew piss caesar and lose job and head and wife told noth righteou lout didn hadn figur punt not jurisdict herod happen town herod appreci courtesi wasn worri and sharp tongu fool suddenli didn funni peopl lose pressur back attir proper royal state ass cover herod problem caesar won fool can king world long not caesar let shout last thi crowd reaction puzzl want dead didn want king jew want barabba and josephu record thought and barabba time and can king caesar kill madman hell kill ten dai and pilat had fun joke short point trilingu and thi get caught gear govern and scientif explan doubt for superstiti rumor persist thi dai that didn end tomb and roman squadron guard sophomor doesn thi doesn recogn kindr spirit truth admit guess haven learn two thousand year fred gilham gilham csl sri peac war not hell war hell make sens walker perci second come
soc.religion.christian	assur hell dream that great judgment morn had dawn and trumpet had blown dream that sinner had gather for judgment white throne weep and wail lost told fate cri for rock and mountain prai prayer late soul that had put salvat not tonight save and time religion ala had found time die and great white throne protest that fear hell not good for motiv jesu thought paul thought paul know terror lord persuad men todai evangel noth soft soap and noth evangel salesmanship don peopl anymor that such thing sin that such place hell jayn thi doesn mean come strong hit peopl head basebal bat fact remain place call hell place fear that god di save experi you christian can win peopl lord for reason outer dark jesu tell that didn prepar hell for peopl prepar for devil and angel bibl read anywher that god predestin hell moodi us that elect whosoev will and nonelect whosoev wont whether not that theolog sound couldn defend practic jesu peopl israel not you not student bibl heck you not christian you don hell religion jesu you that jesu talk hell heaven religion sermon mount you find hell taught jesu sermon mount you read that jesu talk tree cast into fire time talk hell and judgment fact and synopt matthew mark and luke jesu talk hell not isaiah not mose not john baptist jesu son god great belov preach hell love peopl and didn want hell jesu preach vain lord jesu not angri baptist preacher that worm never di and fire never jesu that jesu call hell furnac fire jesu that us word condemn and thi condemn that men love dark light deed evil jesu that can across you that love dy jesu preach hell not that hell that calgari lord cross dark fell call hell outer dark you thi idea that hell place gambler gambl drunk get drunk and prostitut prostitut bodi that not hell hell not parti fellowship call outer dark outer god dark god light cross made sin for you and for god treat jesu sinner treat that sober thought son awesom thought god god hast thou forsaken hell isol fellowship hell friendship hell love embrac hell hand shake hell word encourag hell thirst deeper physic thirst hell etern crave satisfact man life live for drug will crave etern man life live for lust woman bodi will crave etern and not satisfi theologian put thi and deserv merit hell hell kind environ that match intern condit lost recent post rememb founder word life ministri rememb name jack wertzen and found that illustr that gave wasn illustr that talk barber and barber wife and daughter had recent save and comment jack sing song and read bibl vers and prais thi and that can stand jack you god send hell jack answer barber you mean that you can stand live home your wife and daughter sing hymn and prais god you heaven for etern you miser god love you put you match you make man crucifixion jesu christ fact that necessit etern exist hell cross perform etern act don don god and infinit etern and di di infinit etern death that etern act that purchas etern life for whosoev will suffer etern judgment lot peopl detour hell save eventu univers bibl separ sheep goat you die probationari period god prepar you for heaven bibl that appoint men onc die and come judgment cultist annihil you die sssswish mosquito you squish rev told that etern exist hell heaven don enjoi make kind statement and you don enjoi listen preach entir word god place call hell give vers scriptur that give hope that peopl aren give you haven found that fact that place call hell fact that god god holi and judg sin fact that made kind creatur and respons fact that uni vers that purpos and design fact that sin such aw thing and fact that god hell save hell lead two applic mention you christian you worn not good stop and fix flat tire and not that bend bridg know terror lord persuad men you haven accept jesu your savior you take aw chanc jehovah wit longer frequent door you and wrong will live good life and will die and ceas exist and you wrong you will die and suffer etern damnat don mean make fun thi point dirti harri you feel lucki you man limit don whosoev wont sinner di for greater love thi that man lai life for anoth rex
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss find interest that cl never answer question pose make statement make shudder establish two tier god set rule for jew peopl and anoth set for save gentil peopl god discrimin jew accept jesu live gentil rule god set rule for peopl paul never law fact repeatedli that faith establish that annul law paul point german jew and greek law can never us instrument salvat and not combin ceremoni and moral law matt christ plainli and you that for jew benefit your christ politician speak side mouth paul not learn christ forget theologi jesu your excus will not hold court law earth god judgement hall dariu
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss normal protest interpret sundai not law and worship anoth dai not sin church free decid dai will meet free decid hour not sin worship dai you belong church that worship sundai and you show mondai you will worship alon clh total agre that sentiment you and advoc violat god set that question you not answer scriptur you can worship dai long you work god sabbath mine dariu
soc.religion.christian	hell articl apr atho rutger edu mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write short poem god merci made fix pain hell lewi express idea that current haven find sourc that even hell express merci god limit amount separ and amount agoni that can achiev heard call express merci heaven agon for had reject god joe kellett jkellett netcom
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell atterlep vela ac oakland edu write two common thread run post atheist newsgroup and that can us explain each don direct quot handi atheist that die die forev true point you buddhist atheist god condemn fail etern death unfair don problem christian hell definit etern death exactli atheist expect die reason hell aw peopl etern death bad and hell etern death had relat etern damnat sinner will feel lick flame hell supposedli can feel flame assum aliv suffer and god liter interpret bibl will problem thi view sinc bibl talk fire hell and such person don that peopl hell will thrust into flame expect jesu doubl edg sword issu mouth treat state ment metaphor jehovah wit similar view bodi sleep for don problem condemn hell god punish for honest skeptic that for doesn exist wouldn chang natur spend etern hell besid god heaven know even man spend etern life scorch for wrongdo stephen atheist libertarian pro individu pro respons and that jazz
soc.religion.christian	cathol church poland write paper role cathol church poland can thi fill recent book articl english german french import for role church abort law religi educ school birth control and relat church state govern masja zwart rug
soc.religion.christian	proof resurect articl apr geneva rutger edu smayo world std scott mayo write christian flame resurrect disprov didn paul write that resurrect not true biggest fool whether you christ not teach love your brotherman even secular level great deal allevi problem todai world even rabid atheist couldn deni that jeff johnson jcj tellab
soc.religion.christian	daili vers not becom weari good for proper time will reap harvest not give galatian
soc.religion.christian	sex educ joe kellett jkellett netcom wrote bit delet told that plan parenthood siecu style valu free method that teach contracept technolog and advis kid make choic increas pregnanc rate post long articl thi back and will happi email copi interest research produc result that abstin relat curricula found decreas pregnanc rate teen assum that reason assum that aid rate will fluctuat pregnanc rate fascin such evid send your articl neg side suspect that such simplist link abstin educ decreas pregnanc contracept educ increas pregnanc fals guess largest proport liber sex educ western world highest teenag pregnanc rate correct guess wrong bruce stephen bruce liverpool
soc.religion.christian	certainti and arrog articl apr geneva rutger edu kilroi gboro rowan edu nanci sweeti write call rexlex claim that loop not bother explain prefer paraphras sartr rambl wittgenstein and that conclus argument lead relativ will answer thi find time rexlex suggest that peopl read and not silent franci schaeffer didn highli that schaeffer grossli overr evangel christian don opinion stop you read interest opinion suggest certainti ludwig wittgenstein darren provin kilroi gboro rowan edu substanti number talk religion misc reader read wittgenstein post disappear understood wittgenstein disappear michael siemon notic thi book call easi read reason drop philosphi major ran into pharisa simon don walk encyclopedia ran across philosphi class problem isn know sooooo your averag lai person problem come you becom puf schaeffer fine for averag lai person that writ suppos that you criticis john that gospel simpl talk schaeffer lectur man drill philosphi student and prof secular christian univers alon fill catagori answer that prof back and caus question thi time and time open forum schaeffer book larg simplist isn grad level read high hors come recommend read you peopl chapter wittgenstein thi secular scientist anoth time final doubt caus insist inquisit cannot live life constantli cartisian doubt base christian wholeheartedli support genuin ration add qualif give thi balanc christian second keep reason place never thing limit put unlimit and end you will exhaust thi xianiti ration not bit rationalist explain curiou fact that ration and not christian faith lead irration forget limit thing fly face realiti and condem ourselv learn simpl iron lesson life limit limit state freedom form becom form freedom put anoth ration faith implac oppos absurd quarrel mysteri that can differ two you will christian content ration not that reason that christian come faith understand and trust hand hand continu faith trust sometim call understand thi principl suspend judgment appli such time christian faith and god god suspend judgment and father not understand you trust you don read your object into that statement wasn not understand you trust you mean that not understand you thi situat understand trust you can trust that you understand even not mysteri unreliev ration and indistinguish absurd statement ration faith walk hand hand mysteri faith principl suspend judgment not irrat not leap faith walk faith believ cannot canalwai trust god and thi make differ obviou snag thi and thi part compani philosophi emin reason theori bit difficult practic practic pressur mysteri act faith insist why year isn that not that feel cannot produc frustrat curios deni lead genuin anguish specif poorer understand come faith will understand come faith not trust god will exactli god order trust fail grasp that not trust for not understand count decisev trust hand trust god will trust situat not understand xian leader teach christian had window back head for understand foot fall for god ambigu will not inher contradictori mysteri mysteri inscrut insuffer absurd and that friend conclus nietzch theori and practic rex
soc.religion.christian	phone number wycliff translat concern recent post wbt sil thought pretti denounc wing organ involv ideolog manipul and cultur interfer includ vietnam and south america commiss mexican academia denounc covert polit and ideolog institut us govt instrument control regul penetr espionag and repress concern that thi group accept and even praiseworthi reader soc religion christian import that christian don immedi accept christian organ automat reproach good heaven you mean good friend we collin wife and two small children into jungl guatemala despit danger primit condit and arm guerilla that indigen peopl group bibl nativ languag young man led bibl studi church daili demonstr and declar deep abid faith lord love you mean sneaki imperialist spy real reason for exploit and oppress ignor and unsuspect mass imagin surpris never thought thi terribl deceit discov exactli cultur interfer caught commit attempt persuad local that ancestr god fals god and sacrific includ human sacrific case vain destroi tradit lifestyl introduc steel tool medic vaccin and durabl cloth and denounc terribl shock hear that friend we nice such deceit tool devil provid specif document thi charg risk that not mark
soc.religion.christian	hell black sabbath file thi weekend ran across lyric rock group that content two black sabbath master realiti thi for music and earli ask question signific jethro tull anoth ask and wrote thing that caus rex forev you thought your soul can save perhap you that you dead you stai you grave god thought you read book you school you death you lose your breath you your cool you pope end rope you fool truth light and chang wai and prepar you lone and scare end your dai you afraid your friend knew you believ god realiz criticis that god love your mind small that you fall pack wherev run will you sneer death and worship sun true peopl you that crucifi christ sad opinion you had voic will you your dai you don you had chanc you turn you can retriev perhap you you that god dead open your ey realiz that can save you thi sin and hate will you jeer you hear late lord thi world you search for your mind don start can find kei fit lock your heart you you you never quit your soul ill you will not find cure your world made for you you choos evil wai love you made master world you exist soul you not even miss lord world evil possessor lord thi world your confessor you you innoc you noth fear you don you isn clear you turn your worldli greed and pride will you turn your turn die
soc.religion.christian	divin provid murphi law articl apr atho rutger edu rolf junior dsu edu tim rolf write roman rsv that god work for good love call purpos murphi law can wrong will quit familiar amplif and commentari murphi law harmon that roman for that matter humor contradict scriptur christian and christian laugh thi quot exagger feel not true christian that god trust christoph email csw william edu
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell articl apr atho rutger edu atterlep vela ac oakland edu cardin ximenez write don problem christian hell definit etern death exactli atheist expect die reason hell aw peopl etern death bad liter interpret bibl will problem thi view sinc bibl talk fire hell and such person don that peopl hell will thrust into flame expect jesu doubl edg sword issu mouth treat statement metaphor phew that take load don want live forev christian held thi view you can walk across campu spring assail fire and brimston preacher metaphor limit respect teach children crimin put idea into young and trust mind not reli posit aspect your religion win faith tim timothi brent man will come true happi brent bank ecn purdu edu accept that small part infinit univers purdu univers spinoza materi scienc engin paraphras
soc.religion.christian	intoler etern life etc apolog thi articl slightli confus and late origon draft didn make moder quot screen violenc you rememb articl respond make senc articl geneva rutger edu jsledd ssdc sa upenn edu jame sledd write xian netter god bless you for heathan netter feel left deletia tabl content intro homosexu incred chop post deletia incorrect attribut you your attribut wrong you respond articl dan johnson articl atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org jayn kulikauska write deletia free gift speil nuke moder fiat find that dissatisfi purpos that can manufactur for ourselv cosmic sens cosmic senc live cosmic senc not cosmicli don even exist for practic purpos can us cosmic senc stuff guid life don bother luckili for mortal senc scale you can talk human senc you can big purpos even greatest great pharo long pyramid histor odditi worn wind eventu turn into dust influenc aristotl confuci alexand ceasar and countless work perish chang histori and human exist deed cannot come noth even utterli forgotten mankind will dai perish dai sure you second come not that time can make differ interconnected that transcend physic god pointless end end end point you can muster and that end come will gee don jame sledd deed gonna make differ ulitm will made differ great small end your end etern worthwhil peopl live that and for purpos success monei power effect chang help suffic ey behold suppos never cosmic scale put mind don doubt thought cosmic scale and not mean todai comfort that realiti illus not find thi comfort perhap definit relev term realiti that real illus that not real real object exist for realiti illus mean that real not real that object exist not object exist object exist can conclud that you want contradict that thing object exist problem thi that object exist noth cogito ergo sum and that perhap you not mean that mean object realiti unreach human not bad and true that true realiti underneath physic spirit realiti illus isn true realiti illus and true realiti spirit doen that make spirit illus not distinctli confus thi get posit buddhist that thi world school sort learn and grow and soul matur that hell statement perhap true you mean impli that intend show that thi true not explain thi can give purpos that purpos purpos that wouldn world school intent idea make world prepar for greater purpos purpos and take pressur pressur not make thi life success human term you learn not success human term your goal includ requir can achiv peopl set goal for that not includ success human term understand check yer buddhist monk type gui for nirvana not thing import progress grow persist learn love and and express your love dificult honest effort reward god limit learn love goal happen you fail thi goal you god mysteri purpos deletia question immortailti and answer delet quot two question invit discuss natur etern life can mortal lock into space time conceiv answer for can metaphor analog question metaphor crack that natur etern life neatli describ name concept life death life end can put togeth word describ cannot imagin metaphor adequ etern not understand suspect dan johnson and god jeez thi dull and dull genesi opinion show
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss articl apr atho rutger edu pharvei quack kfu paul harvei write prioriti direct word jesu matt paul begin roman weak faith you count weak faith you count weak faith you read jesu word matt doubt your mind and sin greek hamartia miss mark doubt your mind and miss mark clear that not unambigu proof that regular christian worship dai respons passag cite ten command and jesu word matt fairli clear not clear you doubt don that paul can overrul god import step realiz that paul human paul write for larg gentil audienc and write and speak for audienc that weak faith not read unfamiliar hebrew scriptur even septuagint form paul adapt messag bibl larg uneduc market grant thi market exist todai you count part weak faith not miss mark hamartia you that your educ you law regard jew time and bind jew not gentil rule that bind human be call noachic law quit minim make clear that law pentateuch genesi exodu leviticu number deuteronomi jesu law matt jesu that law appli jew and that gentil law issu that church had face jesu death gentil want follow christ decis not impos law didn that law abolish simpli acknowledg that fact that didn appli gentil acknowledg thi fact basi extra biblic thi point not acknowledg that bhagavad gita relev text for gentil bibl that magu east observ star sign jesu bother text not follow church contradict mat don you can thi straight face you follow christ you follow you that word jesu appli jew can paul and jewish christian continu particip jewish worship sabbath continu obei law jewish paul chang name saul issu and gentil christian not cover law not ceremoni aspect gentil christian not cover book that gentil christian ten command jesu dealt jew can assum that mat direct jewish audienc you impli that jesu word valid for jew thi you mean you realiz that you gut larg portion bibl you read jesu word you that jesu talk you matter your race sex hebrew scriptur and gospel account jesu direct jew translat into english interact gentil time centurion slave heal and coupl term us describ centurion luke suggest that god fearer gentil god had not adopt jewish law paul call weak faith commend jewish elder worthi person and jesu accept such thi that jesu accept prevail view that gentil not accept law import record word jesu indic that you can deduc bibl jesu god jew god humankind race and sex involv you want compar jesu and paul law order full pictur role law come grip paul appar reject law and that relat jesu commend law read paul that law serv purpos that sens superced thi your understand paul compar thi word jesu you christian paulin thi issu isn abolit law middl discuss paul note that understood thi and assur that that not intend see law primarili present convict peopl sin ultim imposs standard and that superced christ thi your understand paul jesu that law imposs standard jesu that superced law you christian paulin paul comment not world clearest and not agre read you acknowledg that your read paul jesu can you deni that matt quit clear mean you christian paulin interest thing notic that even thi radic posit not entail abolit law remain uncompromis standard not iota dot remov for purpos convict sin import that not relax jesu that purpos law convict sin for christian not end ultim live faith not law reread matt you christian paulin jesu interpret emphas intent law and stai ceremoni detail you that ten command ceremoni detail paul conclus similar talk law superced specif exampl involv ceremoni law such circumcis and sabbath quit concern maintain moral standard you call observ sabbath dai lord rest ceremoni circumcis superced for christian you christian paulin doubt mind sin and not not thi case jesu not deal explicitli question whether law bind gentil that cite evid such jesu dealt centurion gener jewish view thi depend larg studi paulin theologi schoep and author can come moment author jew christian and christian jew discuss issu and newsgroup mat clear that law valid not that appli gentil and that specif requir for worship sabbath ten command ceremoni detail you oblig gentil similarli circumcis not quit can thi subject unfortun jesu didn answer question directli cent jewish approach jesu dealt gentil and jesu discipl dealt issu acut refer act paul that agreement don that big problem clh
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell apr atho rutger edu atterlep vela ac oakland edu cardin ximenez write two common thread run post atheist newsgroup and that can us explain each don direct quot handi atheist that die die forev correctli peopl die ceas exist god condemn fail etern death unfair don problem christian hell definit etern death exactli atheist expect die idea that christian hell heaven afterlif you don ceas exist subject etern tortur that orthodox idea etern death you prefer that atheist don sort afterlif liter interpret bibl will problem thi view sinc bibl talk fire hell and such person don that peopl hell will thrust into flame expect jesu doubl edg sword issu mouth treat state ment metaphor safe that hell never intend metaphor not equival ceas exist christian concept metaphor your idea hell centuri interpret nice that even christian evolv fit worldview modern ag fear church will not accept understand per hap you accept that hell metaphor you step closer turn god into metaphor antti lahelma mtf saha hut gnothi seauton lehtoti stel purkki apu helsinki jumalat ovat pakanoil suosiollisia tunn itsesi
soc.religion.christian	soc religion christian arrog christian previou messag freenet carleton mark baker write don belief and belief wrong don belief thi simpli belief mean stuff delet thi pretti arog definit belief belief thing find true base experi world thi experi includ studi thing that not experienc directli even can understand studi extent can relat studi back experienc mean that belief god directli relat experi god experienc god make sens that experi studi religion and read bibl find thing that echo experienc thi build belief find thing that don match experi that doesn make fals don match experi will understand that stuff don belief wrong can chang belief belief that mine necessarili wrong make sens set experi even explan and belief talk even discov that underli experi similar peopl approach religion truth that can exist form and singl revel dogmat and inflex belief system arrog will outsid anoth approach god mysteri solv mysteri evid arriv understand that can base evid evid chang understand encount belief isn threat opportun perhap discov thi mysteri can never fulli comprehend peac will taber william taber will taber opinion express data gener corp will futon webo mine alon and westboro mass chang notic your dream laid rest you can second hard david wilcox
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell atterlep vela ac oakland edu cardin ximenez write atheist that die die forev god condemn fail etern death unfair don problem christian hell definit etern death exactli atheist expect die that christian that your concious will continu your physic death contradict atheist includ that your concious contain your brain di your brain di reason hell aw peopl etern death bad fear pain that come process dy sinc won worri don fear etern death liter interpret bibl will problem thi view sinc bibl talk fire hell and such thi found confus your nerv end die your physic bodi flame hurt you can wail and gnash teeth lung and teeth mark schnitziu schnitzi eola ucf edu univers central florida
soc.religion.christian	latest branch davidian you will new time you read thi branch davidian compound thi morn fed punch hole compound wall tank start lethal tear ga shortli noon cult member set fire compound peopl compound fate peopl unknown fate children that insid compound burn ground koresh time claim messiah back and claim prophet had promis time come peacefulli demand met demand that messag broadcast radio didn come claim wait for messag god final that god told that need deciph mysteri seal revel and finish come finish didn work that sinc feder agent warn that didn come subject tear ga sad that peopl put faith mere man even claim son god and prophet underscor import put you faith thing that etern and know for scriptur and mean reli for you even learn and mean paul conditt
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell articl atho rutger edu atterlep vela ac oakland edu cardin ximenez write two common thread run post atheist newsgroup and that can us explain each don direct quot handi atheist that die die forev god condemn fail etern death unfair don problem christian hell definit etern death exactli atheist expect die thi problem thi not hell thi perman death atheist gener expect and fair unfair you argu whether made carbon and water fair atheist claim that hell unfair talk fire and brimston place endless suffer necessarili includ etern exist life dunno sort continu not thing grant you feel that hell death thi not univer sentiment can your idea god condemn heathen ordinari death problem that problem god that hide human and tortur unbeliev etern for not guess deletia hell and liter dan johnson and god jeez thi dull and dull genesi opinion show
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart articl atho rutger edu seanna bnr seanna watson write articl apr atho rutger edu johnsd rpi edu write articl atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org jayn kulikauska write thi effect substanc abus recoveri program involv meet peopl spiritu you want provid evid time you make claim thi step program alcohol anonym step involv acknowled higher power and step abus recoveri program acknowledg effect deletia and unclear ask thi show that effect substanc absur recoveri program involv meetinsg peopl spiritu attempt fill peopl spiritu perciev peopl regular snoopi thi will involv defin spritual not that clear and show that such thing exist and can fill annoth tack you that fulfil spiritu mean acknowledg higher power sort show that system that requir thi work ident system that not correl you you point thi demonstr swap crutch for annoth feel that religion crutch alchohol not poison hope that clarif question will answer step program question that make differ dan johnson and god jeez thi dull and dull genesi opinion show
soc.religion.christian	refus divin peac and aliv prayer question mari refus god kingdom come jesu revel thi centuri thing dai peopl refus messeng even aliv earth refus talk paraphras knowledg believ accumul that enlighten detect authent and divin oppos evil man made sign miracl you afraid that not god that sign not open heart and mind for think evil faith god evil true peac evil true love that divin and pure evil can accept that god can fulfil gener love and jesu never end forgiv turn back for salvat refus god messeng thi truth mother christ bring fear shame will contrari pleas god fear humbl fear judg wrong wrt mainstream standard can toler believ mockeri ridicul for sake peac love and obedi god humbl lesson left martyr and saint engag never end bicker and disproof each opinion each mistak for sake argument communion bodi christ make blind truth that god power and that can not bind peopl wrote and written ag faith god limit word and literatur muster prevent save and extend god rich love not ey not wide open that continu see faith hope and love glorifi and indic acknowledg sign miracl ordinari common divin inspir isn that atheist agnost view that ordinari earth and not caus supernatur holi mother come back remind accept that prayer thing and that prayer even war can prevent continu you egotist attitud dear children dai you prai your hand remain empti hesit proclaim prayer convers peac penanc fast holi mass live life gospel bring not world thi mother start your famili good exampl live word worri good us holi mother fruit leav lord not worri entrust lord holi mother not insist you free bow freedom god you follow thi you surpris you decid for god and you live thi dai constantli convei thi life god experi lord your behavior and not you prai time decid that save talk write god etc holi mother warn satan serpent dissuad you turn you peac plan and prayer rev dragon angri woman and wage war rest offspr god command and bear wit jesu you fear hate for god current messeng true peac love and motherli protector anti christ apprehens commun war famin and evil that serpent bring thi obedi and bless ev mother warn can prepar and strong satan haven renew faith hope love peac and obedi wherev thi messeng share bless and grace that god good purpos choos blind fear truth that god give chanc and share christ forget forgiv obedi mother mother consecr task revers disobedi harm and exampl ancient ev prepar eden immacul heart eden sanctuari womb for come and judgement righteou lord jesu christ lamb marri bride shouldn give hand exhaust job prepar for second come son conceiv sin bear son god womb fear true peac love and renew faith and obedi god that mari faithfulli bring god children protect flock rest offspr greedi dragon present righteou member for son come not apparit and miracl that result worthi belief prayer and guidanc holi spirit and approv church author awar true and divin inspir specif align scriptur ladi remind recommend silenc prayer you speak unceasingli your prayer will you hear god room answer you speak you encourag motherli nurtur continu exuber faith hope and love jesu constantli not mere emot deep constant obedi jesu belov son and acknowledg part live not wait last minut renew faith and life that god live won time will late nowadai mari prai prai prai for peac reconcili children peac you can promot peac for peac you can not fulli accept son and you ordinari ladi not good mother messeng god and nice share god kingdom son and experi mari assur that lamb succe note enclos quot latest new medjugorj number june rene laurentin mother eden pure prepar sanctuari for true christian cleans peac for god kingdom come bring your love protect and obedi church that belong bodi your son jesu christ lord and not astrai perfect complet prai that ourselv prai holi spirit guid that you strength conquer enemi your son you prepar for your immacul heart
soc.religion.christian	good thi dumb christian that can never live requir god wrong that understand doesn spend live reach goal can never achiev that save faith and not work that mean that onc save don jame tell that faith work dead paraphras thi work short repli can never achiev perfect health strive for don seek god will forc follow reason hard flaw not unreason seek follow want improv ourselv and live mark
soc.religion.christian	tuff christian realiz that frequent get troubl for strai orthodoxi opinion articl apr geneva rutger edu mdb uki edu name write buddha that intrins good christ sinner never thought two idea each peopl quibbl intrins mean reason sinner not behav good messag christ that each not good great that can approach perfect albeit perhap techniqu you claim buddhism teach not realiz great sin peter had problem walk water doubt crept doesn david psalm man that you god care for you made lower angel exager mind scrawni kid david exager gigant monster goliath david power easili defeat goliath rememb rich young man come jesu and ask can enter kingdom jesu follow command pictur smug face that life anticip attaboi messiah jesu harder task sell and follow jesu rais bar descipl can thi hard even for rich peopl jesu can god jesu not can avoid kill peopl can avoid get angri peopl not can avoid commit adulteri can control desir realiz thi not your main point peopl thi part question you becom christian you had not indoctrin your parent you never learn religion make compar studi and claim you brain wash forgiv gener make your point hard religion good your part question tough question that muslim worship god can learn name submiss hindu and buddhist and taoist etc claim that god imperson god person imperson answer whichev greater greater person entiti individu conscious you that that cultur bia admit that god person natur concept imperson natur hindu concept jesu fit into hindu cosmolog wouldn problem that hard imagin present eastern religion member comment chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss gener question sinc world discov round definit saturdai not ambigu arbitrari answer thi calendar chang gregorian julian dai week chang date onc thi point arbitrari dai chri mussack calendar chang chang dai weekli cycl month and date clh
soc.religion.christian	sspx schism articl apr geneva rutger edu jhpb sarto budd lake joseph buehler write descript true and fals obedi obedi not sole matter complianc refus natur command into account not complianc refus and whether obedi disobedi you into consider whether command good bad you echo that question not contenti assum that pope univers jurisdict and author author you reli for your decis prevent choos doctrin and that papal disagr error that will resolv time thi true sinc council bishop basic stood pope appear that li heart thi matter disagr tradit and tradit and author and disciplin question support sspx thi that your posit respect church reform chang and conform pope assum that pope posit not chang and that leader sspx don jointli make such choic not thi appear claim infal teach author adopt view that not wrong can wrong and chang mind you chang that left cathol church left orthodox church not recogn papal author jurisdict view author present each bishop and ecumen council regard subsequ develop doctrin papal author and jurisdict separ bishop rome orthodox church into merit great schism orthodox agre that split occur and don pali semant game pope don recogn that effect word appear facto split anoth arian heresi complet weak pope sspx priest modern martin luther answer that examin and tradit teach church sould argu second come real tradit teach church thi simpl matter east and west not separ for year cathol will decid side pope sound thi papaci infal eventu pope will straighten thi thought that teach magisterieum church not error teach faith and moral even short term wrong not roman cathol effect pope make cathedra statement sspx situat honor not you formal doctrin infal not content understand sinc orthodox real vest interest outcom schism superset disobedi refus obei legitim command schismat disobedi superset doesn work not disobey schismat mere fact that sspx priest don compli holi father desir doesn make schismat command legitim sspx not view pope command legitim thi slipperi slope problem thi thi tradit theologi holi order episcop consecr not confer jurisdict confer power order abil confect sacrament true jurisdict confer power confer such pope societi bishop know tradit theologi quit great pain avoid pretenc jurisdict simpli confer sacrament that requir bishop argu that establish geograph jurisdict don that even concept problem cathol circl larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
soc.religion.christian	lose your temper not christian trait articl apr atho rutger edu ruthless panix ruth ditucci write tale sign fruit that give christian net repli acrid angri and sarcast net villag laugh two profess born christian verbal attack peopl won christian and had origin join discuss spiritu hungri answer question sweet and sincer chrisitan net warrior flame queri agre basic sentiment that snide unlov and ineffect disturb formul that ill temper not christian trait fals argument that displai trait not christian sin christian christian nonetheless anger human and christian human christian angri and defens and react badli not perfect righteous effort seek righteous that mark dedic christian and greatest gift faith that seek and accept forgiv for failur expect flawless behavior isn christian perfection
soc.religion.christian	question christian previou articl bach udel edu steven hoskin write question can recommend good read list theolog work intend for lai person recommend essenti truth christian faith sproul copywrit tyndal hous publish sproul offer concis explan simpl languag christian doctrin group subject good for newer christian and older christian suffer spiritu malnutrit biblic sound basic treatment issu avoid long depth analysi that can wait you basic dave weaver fool cannot weaver chdasic sp mot gain cannot lose jim elliot
soc.religion.christian	god shape hole accept jeesu your heart peopl involv figur us phrase god shape hole clh god shape vacuum that effect gener attribut blais pascal want can you god shape vacuum insid you god fact infinit omnipres name andrew jame fraser mail fraseraj dc gla es student univers glasgow standard disclaim don you you tad liter thi metaphor clh
soc.religion.christian	interfaith wed last week post similar question alt wed come search deeper level answer fianc lutheran and cathol plan get marri church live and plan move month call cathol priest find need order for marriag recogn church needless that found that hard and fast rule come cathol law for interfaith wed interpret pretti that can marri problem trick li letter dispens that not main differ lutheran and cathol religion priest mumbl eucharist understood heard that two religion combin two appreci bill bill burn internet wdburn mtu edu mac network system administr applelink shadow appl student rep mtu band togeth friend mearcilessli crush enemi into past had cathol protest argument recent that not accept renew suggest respons email controversi happi posit summari import cathol and lutheran belief thing for faq collect not for anoth battl clh
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu freenet carleton mark baker write ask you thing not visibl don thi believ blindli not you decid advanc that your reason will act evid physic sens you cut reason possibl reach conclus physic sphere think and you will
soc.religion.christian	good articl apr atho rutger edu armstrng dal stan armstrong write articl jxo spss luomat alleg edu write thi dumb christian that can never live requir god wrong that understand doesn spend live reach goal can never achiev that save faith and not work that mean that onc save don jame tell that faith work dead paraphras thi work long that good thing come want miss point love god come love and love find that not good not sign even harder roman sign seek god awar jesu presenc want strenth love that empow weak stan armstrong religi studi dept saint mari univers halifax armstrong huski stmari att clyde watmath water dalc armstrng apolog moder quot delet and respond for goal can never achiev reward come paul make clear claim that continu strain for prize philippian not live command stagnat and becom lukewarm spit jesu john thi love for god obei comand that obedi strain achiev for god thi requir work part for quot jame satan doesn care matter result belief work faith believ will act that faith ly oneself believ place stan for your line you good point obedi oblig grudgeri not god desir time bibl talk joyou situat and god work begrudg work work whenev can not feel jesu presenc feel can deceiv paul state timothi timothi preach word prepar season and season correct rebuk and encourag great patienc and care instruct rememb that paul tell timothi timothi watch your life and doctrin close persever you you will save and your hearer order work that correct rememb jesu warn matthew not hypocrit accomplish thi discipl complet thought and deed joe fisher
soc.religion.christian	librari congress host dead sea scroll symposium april librari congress host dead sea scroll symposium april nation and assign desk daybook editor contact john sullivan luci suddreth librari congress washington april symposium dead sea scroll will held librari congress wednesdai april and thursdai april two dai program cosponsor librari and baltimor hebrew univers addit support project judaica foundat will held librari mumford room sixth floor madison build seat limit and admiss session symposium request write note symposium will held week public open major exhibit scroll dead sea ancient librari qumran and modern scholarship that open librari congress april view will fragmentari scroll and archaeolog artifact excav qumran loan israel antiqu author approxim item librari congress special collect will augment materi exhibit view madison galleri aug made gener gift project judaica foundat washington dead sea scroll focu public and scholarli interest sinc discov desert mile east jerusalem symposium will explor origin and mean scroll and current scholarship scholar divers academ background and religi affili will offer dispar view ensur live discuss symposium schedul includ open remark april librarian congress jame billington and norma furst presid baltimor hebrew univers chair symposium joseph baumgarten professor rabbin literatur and institut baltimor hebrew univers and michael grunberg head hebraic section librari congress geza verm professor emeritu jewish studi oxford univers will give keynot address current state scroll research focus stand todai second dai close address will shmaryahu talmon will propos research agenda pick theme qumran studi proce wednesdai april speaker will includ eugen ulrich professor hebrew scriptur univers notr dame and chief editor biblic scroll qumran bibl qumran michael stone nation endow for human distinguish visit professor religi studi univers richmond dead sea scroll and pseudepigrapha special preview exhibit will symposium particip and guest thursdai april begin speaker will includ magen broshi curat shrine book israel museum jerusalem qumran archaeolog evid kyle mccarter albright professor biblic and ancient eastern studi john hopkin univers copper scroll lawrenc schiffman professor hebrew and judaic studi york univers dead sea scroll and histori judaism and jame vanderkam professor theologi univers notr dame messian scroll and earli christian thursdai afternoon session includ devorah dimant associ professor bibl and ancient jewish thought univers haifa qumran manuscript librari jewish commun norman golb rosenberg professor jewish histori and civil orient institut univers chicago current statu jerusalem origin scroll shmaryahu talmon magna professor emeritu biblic studi hebrew univers jerusalem essenti commun renew coven qumran studi proce will close symposium will ampl time for question and answer period end each session wednesdai april librari congress and israel antiqu author will hold lectur esther boyd alkalai consult conserv israel antiqu author preserv dead sea scroll mumford room jame madison memori build librari congress independ av washington note for inform admiss symposium contact write michael grunberg head hebraic section african and middl eastern divis librari congress washington canada remot system toronto ontario
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss articl apr atho rutger edu dlecoint garnet acn fsu edu dariu lecoint write you cannot show scriptur that weekli sabbath part ceremoni law you post text repli investig context ceremoni law extrascriptur term sometim us framework view scriptur you collos into assumpt that sabbath cannot ceremoni law you will that refer sabbath paul write collos that christ nail law that cross and not judg food eat drink keep moon and holi dai keep sabbath word for sabbath thi vers sabbaton and us testament refer dai scriptur idea ceremoni law thi and sabbath list ceremoni law into thi fundament assumpt sabbath cannot ceremoni law will find that thi can refer sabbath holi dai dai sabbath cannot ceremoni law paul care letter add kind parenthetc statement that can liscenc sin write sabbath absent epistl for hebrew talk rest that come faith sure big problem for centuri christian live societi that not rest dai slave converst slave difficult for slave rest sabbath had mandatori mention thi epistl link hudson
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu kempmp phoenix oulu petri pihko write jason smith jason atlastel wrote discuss begin univers exist law natur and effect dictat thi layman mind causal event reason altern exist argu that causal properti spacetim preced effect and conced effect impli time time part spacetim hens argument valid return and that thi not infer and effect relationship uniqu thi spacetim won point moot doesn address petri pikho address below conced that doubli remiss assert reason altern exist subject statement part and that invalid time and discoveri scientist understand that prove theori not necessarili that thi happen propos like descript phenomena question mistaken thi understand you claim that answer univers spacetim emerg noth scienc good candid for answer requir christian readili admit faith fact that candid beli that conclus conclus evid left faith even argu that hypothes dai proven repeat event can proven hold todai belief that correct faith coupl paragraph delet summari univers exist thi question split into two part exist exist and univers emerg noth clear scienc noth question meaning question isn appar for person religion question exist can counter demand answer question noth nothing exist question turn devoid mean thing that exist and thing that don exist don exist tautolog carefulli examin origin question and counter question ask second request for definit doesn address not exist ask defin lack exist second question unanswer for identifi noth aren mutual exclus term identifi state exist thi near limit thi simpl layman abil comprehend and explan add worldview thing that exist and thing that don don ground realm falsifi theist belief god base assumpt that not reason for ultim support posit reason foundat exist soil that claim reason come thi for reason satisfactori answer you for you satisfi and not doctor your search begin doubt god answer thi question time will christian talk that god exist problem thi answer inevit lead conclus that god exist good and evil devil and angel and thi pantheism not christian agre lead question definit christian anoth answer that god sourc exist thi sound tempt god exist god sourc exist can mean that term human time exist thi not sourc exist thi not preclud exist seek identifi qualiti impli exist qualiti btw answer heard that human reason incap understand such question atheist not accept such answer sinc not method theist come statement faith for thi posit assum that evid hand conclus note not argu scientif endeavor for scienc for understand univers exist differ atheist matter perspect seek understand exist understand and art creator discov scienc inadequ tool answer appear that pihko agre tool inadequ answer question not preclud question assert that invalid question not provid answer can law natur demand that isn true natur super natur thi not true scienc collect model tell not happen cannot good reason question bound natur thing assum that supernatur domain exist supernatur be exist exist apolog thi come pre exist becom exist pre spacetim becom spacetim come admiss that scienc fail answer can answer realm modern scienc that make question invalid don technolog produc that spark life despit part opinion thi opinion call vital that live system fundament inanim system christian gener adopt thi posit happen scientist announc creat primit life small bacteria lab suppos thing galileo capernicu vindic start jump and scream inquisit note vindic hope shoot messeng stage pihko present good point individu christian base faith will shaken product evid that shatter sacr cow will seek understand discoveri disagre god and continu word apolog budweis and compani jason jason smith jason atlastel not young
soc.religion.christian	justifi war exist thought pacifist side kill defend innoc justifi kill defens can turn cheek turn that jesu had meant teach pacif made posit explicit didn centurion leav armi for instanc and full militari metaphor pacifist side appar earli christian refus fight roman armi state that refus choic not clear whether object war per object roman polici modern warfar imposs direct attack combat bomb convent and nuclear kill lot civilian hard whether war justifi time take decad for requisit inform becom gener public email repli thi meant contribut public discuss and want repli repli publicli michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	divin provid murphi law articl apr atho rutger edu rolf junior dsu edu tim rolf write roman rsv that god work for good love call purpos murphi law can wrong will quit familiar amplif and commentari murphi law harmon that roman for that matter humor contradict scriptur murphi law exhort prudenc and observ behavior complex system denial divin benevol michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	messiah comment articl desire bradlei clh koresh public statement not clear that claim christ koresh origin claim christ back and prophet latest new cdt waco that fed broke wall compound tank new that thi time paul
soc.religion.christian	question author chri mussack write for peopl insist question author holocaust spanish inquisit jonestown name author sometim peopl evil thing peopl follow order tortur and kill larg number and protest innoc your author start tell you thing you question for situat press shut hatch submarin fill water reason author give justif that you can understand listen author answer interest question psycholog pressur and order you want read studi solomon ash conform and anoth stanlei milgram obedi good book psycholog sociolog result fascin and terrifi darren provin kilroi gboro rowan edu told told told told peter gabriel
soc.religion.christian	christian parent for post thi mail bounc will and prai will read thi respons aunt kid sinc sociolog student and research into young offend group children rais home moment formlul inform disciplin christian home you parent thi catagori can you email your respons questionair respons will treat confidenti and will us prepar stat post thi for good christian rel not mail access sinc thi aunt and uncl kid felt relev ag sex children year twin boi boi girl you spank your kid don call spank rare don call spank reaction danger such stick finger fan run into road time for each for girl not spank call that hurt feel and give hug and stuff ensur love you us implement spank that pain traumat never recal punish and take time toolmean you not and that lessen impact emot for child evidenc fact that slap rear hurt for perhap second call spank you not spank method disciplin you us lot logic consequ for instanc matthew dare good friend jump treehous push made didn plai togeth for dai that make lose friend quickli never that sinc us time room us timer don argu leav sinc hard argu macin will close door and timeout won calm tantrumi us top stair young your ag your locat bath ohio akron northeast part ohio ag you commit crimin offenc and kid dream hope you can us thi teach parent that physic punish isn requir parent us that excus hit hard er you disciplin kid lot timeout us famili and husband never us spank fact grandmoth law kid and almost never spank thi turn centuri and afoul law man made god law jesu refer small child hold that bibl thing kind and merci and love colossian room for selfish anger admit tempt time felt spank hard anger kid deserv slap rear devil work feel temptat and angrili order kid room and room prai and ask god forgiv calmer and not feel spank felt that had punish doug fowler dxf cwru edu ag mommi and daddi casei rel give lot hug love miss strike poem support heaven great ran and made big hug that last forev and
soc.religion.christian	phone number wycliff translat articl apr geneva rutger edu mprc troi rochest edu price write concern recent post wbt sil thought pretti denounc wing organ involv ideolog manipul and cultur interfer includ vietnam and south america commiss mexican academia denounc covert polit and ideolog institut us govt instrument control regul penetr espionag and repress person quit wycliff bibl translat organ fundament purpos translat scriptur into nativ languag term usual mean learn and develop written languag teach nativ read not associ govt govern want translat knowledg mexican govern encourag come idea not cultur interfer present good new understand suggest you read book autobiograph and biograph translat that stand mind excel call peac child thi give true pictur mission concern that thi group accept and even praiseworthi reader soc religion christian import that christian don immedi accept christian organ automat reproach agre thi statement cannot accept into issu that take suddan discuss cia etc true side cathi bareiss
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari fari trl aziz fari write helllo netter told bibl that god bodi virgin mari carri for burial thi true bibl that regard fari you talk assumpt bless virgin mari that immacul mother god virgin mari complet earthli life assum bodi and soul into heavenli glori thi defin papal statement had believ that immacul concept thi primarili roman cathol doctrin and direct biblic support note that cathol not sola scriptura that not that bibl sourc christian knowledg fact that doctrin biblic support not necessarili signific that truth can pass tradit church and that can reveal church not interest anoth cathol protest argument cathol can basi for belief clh find want respond post and time proper materi you learn lesson finish write thesi and don ton time basi for cathol church belief assumpt mari bodi and soul into heaven that put simpli apostl and earli gener christian believ fact ministri apostl close contact mari and present di thoma miss arriv dai ask shown bodi and move piti peter and apostl brought tomb arriv seal unbroken broke seal enter and bodi miss sign that had enter forcibl and laid exactli had left apostl present believ that mari assum into heaven and apostl taught thi preach thi not text consid part bibl write left basicali apostol church found apostl that teach apostl whether written bibl written sourc true provid that authent sourc can confirm case assumpt mari authent quit clear hope thi help inform add mike walker mdw uxa cso uiuc edu univ illinoi
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari articl atho rutger edu fari trl aziz fari write you talk assumpt bless virgin mari that immacul mother god virgin mari complet earthli life assum bodi and soul into heavenli glori thi defin papal statement had believ that clh true not basi belief wide held belief laiti church and support lead declar true basic teach infal hold that pope infal matter faith and doctrin colleg bishop likewis infal and laiti pope get attent critic consensu bodi equal infal teach joe moor
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept biblic basi for immacul concept will put enmiti you serpent and woman and your seed and seed can read crush your head and you bruis heel genesi commit sin devil john hail full grace greek kecharitomen lord thee luke prove doctrin immacul concept god proto evangel genesi promis savior will redeem mankind wile satan satan murder begin and not stood truth truth john proto evangel promis thing enmiti satan and woman and enmiti satan and seed woman ev point refer and mari second ev seed jesu christ and enmiti satan mari enmiti satan know that jesu christ sinless hebrew can conclud that mari sinless wasn not enmiti devil john tell and relat sinless christ sinless call into question god verac for god promis enmiti mari and serpent and not for god lie deciev second angel greet mari call archangl gabriel full grace point thi greek word kecharitomen mean not full grace plenitud perfect grace sens grasp footnot jerusalem bibl hail you and reamin fill grace that long reduc full grace and you mari had fill grace moment concept moment salvat death year admit that that god doctrin immaclut concept and god free contact sin mother and bibl record thi fact father church such john damascu augustin hippo ambros and complet agreement christian tradit and infal declar pope matter ineffibilu deu andi byler
soc.religion.christian	satan toung articl geneva rutger edu mmh dc qmw matthew huntbach write claim don authent case peopl make prolong speech real languag don observ speak tongu practic noth thi simpl test peopl can speak languag chines russian german english gift start speak toungu audienc understand gift nativ languag gift can hear speak languag work everytim perhap gift glorifi god perhap wit real miracl mark ashlei disclaim opinion not harri marka gcx ssd csd harri lost lo angelino
soc.religion.christian	babylon book offer time time made refer book call two babylon book written alexand hislop mid babylonian mysteri religion and flight histori unabl put time read found dry number refer and illustr you interest purchas your copi you can call moodi book store and order for and will ship you good book refer titl for your dig into mysteri religion found invalu for that purpos alon for want skim subject come highli recommend note brother and sister you find thi diatrib you find test origin and true natur origin rcism you offend that ask hard question your denomin whether not christian perhap you passov thi offer adventur for and contact you reason pro con scholorship thi book interest adelphoi christo rex
soc.religion.christian	march for jesu info area not larg march leav each congrag imo thi mean organ found difficult manag feel involv not cast stone involv lord not includ march thi year give messag lack jl jerri storr system manag tru dept chemic engin livin north carolina state univers tru raleigh even jesu watchin fax storr che ncsu edu prefer steven curti chapman
soc.religion.christian	record burn rgolder hoh mbl edu robert golder write movi version last temptat christ aw that practic influenc messag had not conserv loudli protest distribut unwittingli creat larger market for movi place christian sucess attempt film ban restrict show problem christian burn piec art find tragic wast problem attempt censor not view moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourk clive come retract foreskin misconcept jame triniti colleg dublin and appli wire brush enlighten geoffm brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza
soc.religion.christian	monophysit and mike walker mike walker you standard formula fulli god and fulli human that not you object that jesu human usual analysi that sin not part basic definit human consequ fall jesu human not fallen human clh proper term for mike express monophysit thi heresi that condemn council chalcedon grew reaction nestorian held that son and jesu two peopl happen unit bodi temporarili monophysit held copt egypt and ethipoia and jacobit syria and armenian orthodox believ that jesu christ god correct that man correct that person correct that had natur and will and oen energi heret orthodox posit that had two natur and two will and two energi divin and human will perfect harmoni that mike across that jesu human form mike not human natur human will realiti had made subject origin sin interest note that monothelit reaction thi conflict and attempt solv problem admit two natur not two will two energi condemn late council constantinopl andi byler issu mighti subtl you peopl thing hard whether mean thing whether terminolog don question that problem nestoriu and agre that christ had human form real human natur will heret bit wari copt armenian etc recent discuss suggest that monophysit posit not orthodoxi had thought nestoriu extrem repres two major school thought moder repres regard orthodox theodor mopsuestia impress that modern monophysit group inherit entir tradit not nestoriu version and that suffici balanc posit regard orthodox clh
soc.religion.christian	daili vers god peac will crush satan your feet grace lord jesu you roman
soc.religion.christian	christ advoc poem advoc sin and straightwai posthast satan flew presenc high god and made rail accus thi soul thi thing clai and sod sin ti true that name thy name demand death for thou hast soul that sinneth die not thy sentenc fulfil justic dead send thi wretch sinner doom thing can righteou ruler satan accus dai and night and word spoke god true quickli rose god hand glori angel veil ey spoke each jot and tittl law fulfil guilti sinner di wait suppos guilt transfer and that paid penalti behold hand side feet dai made sin for and di that present faultless thy throne and satan flew full knew that not prevail such love for word dear lord spoke true martha snell nicholson heard thi poem read last night and want share subscrib thi newsgroup such wonder bless secur salvat lord jesu paid for not ow had debt not capabl pai and prais savior lord jesu christ seat hand majesti high make intercess for lian brown internet brownli ohsu edu
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl apr geneva rutger edu fsspr acad alaska edu wrote thi subject beaten death bit listserv christia recent madg step and close topic discuss sinc privat mail particip and receiv fairli larg file approx comment made march washington hasn post don scan thi newsgroup bp couldn possibl read glad send that interest peopl hope that rememb rev troi perri perform march washington will for inconceiv mix christian homosexu sean patrick ryan fsspr aurora alaska edu sean fred cojon you visit congreg christian happen homosexu that spirit fill believ not mcc you lump togeth troi perri lord work commun homosexu commun that not ask chang sexual natur call practic moral that establish begin isn satan haydai pit christian christian issu can homosexu reach homosexu for christ not chang bring christ doesn want gai can chang that live moral life commit sex and god move live chang that two cent god bless you loisc
soc.religion.christian	origin post jesu black knew that receiv respons post not thi extens you respond show that peopl will even gener respons return matter question you part thi respons suggest that you read articl cover thi question soc cultur african american for you dire cultur enlighten hasta luego sherlett
soc.religion.christian	perman mail that time year graduat thi mean that like for good cannot anoth usernam not even back leav thi part ministri anoth brother john fun and rememb that flame can consid slander joe fisher
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari articl atho rutger edu fari trl aziz fari fari post delet moder repli you talk assumpt bless virgin mari that immacul mother god virgin mari complet earthli life assum bodi and soul into heavenli glori thi defin papal statement had believ that immacul concept thi primarili roman cathol doctrin and direct biblic support note that cathol not sola scriptura that not that bibl sourc christian knowledg fact that doctrin biblic support not necessarili signific that truth can pass tradit church and that can reveal church not interest anoth cathol protest argument cathol can basi for belief clh that gener accuat contain error cathol that god reveal truth that not explicitli record bibl can and pass tradit church note that tradit church sacr tradit not ordinari human tradit not that addit truth will reveal church public revel basi cathol doctrin end death john last apostl noth can ad theologian studi thi revel and can draw implic that not recogn previous that council nicea defin statement theologi triniti and incarn that not explicitli state bibl and had disput council revel nicea subsequ council cardin newman essai develop christian doctrin written anglican excel discuss thi point recent reprint doubledai imag book paperback relat shorter work titl conscienc consensu and develop doctrin marti helgesen bitnet mnhcc cunyvm internet mnhcc cunyvm cuni edu such thing hypothet situat
soc.religion.christian	major view triniti andrew byler write dab post athanasian creed whicc pretti dab delini orthodox christian belief triniti and dab incarn dab pretti good statement belief eventu accpet and dab creed us cathol church lutheran dab anglican and orthodox church last minu filioqu dab delet origin form creed you evid that us orthodox church pure western apostl creed orthodox church us symbol faith commonli call nicen creed steve hay depart missiolog univers south africa gold
soc.religion.christian	athiest and hell articl apr geneva rutger edu rexlex fnal fnal gov write articl apr geneva rutger edu sun gerri palo uunet net gerri palo write note that thi perhap oldest creed mention danger hell for believ likewis mention salvat believ soul and destini heaven death resurrect bodi and not you don back god and that creat heaven and earth and creat adam and ev and that walk garden and histori flow can agre that you agre that back you closer you peopl had stronger memori god and and command adam and ev and golgotha process fall man occur thi involv gradual dim conscious spiritu world thi discern world outlook peopl histori greek for exampl beggar land live king land dead iliad question happen human be di christ present christian not readi conscign adam abraham even cain etern damnat di sin christian sens can gentil human and unrepent malefactor cross not limit power christ save even satan mock deed salvat moment fulfil studi ancient mysteri reliegion run across poem ritual not interpret that god will promis seed rebel will suffer etern life die standard belief back experi etern pass moment relationship etern durat not simpli indefinit extend condit greenwich mean time imagin etern agoni bliss even spiritu world time earthli death and birth standard belief peopl that even righteou lost thi result loss paradis conscious that fled fall increas involv sens world interest share result your studi ancient peopl idea life death todai and that back time teach peopl thing two that thi ag grown older that opper mist not older ag mankind fell into mist and dark and turn point time light enter into world light grow and develop ey revel and growth stand li vision and understand feebl contain that will grow time embrac that and thi point acknowledg openli debt work rudolf steiner founder anthroposophi for insight that led view thi subject love post thi vulcan hammer fall histori purgatori can shown druid england greek pilag egyptian ultim babylonian mysteri and eastern religion show similar mean black and white write and archeolog find plainli show origin and why and wherefor thi doctin you refer doctrin put modern intellectu color abstract and real and spiritu concret teach that struck closer home doctrin teach todai can receiv not readi attribut widespread notion antiqu simpl dispers origin sourc even pass question extent reflect real percept and experi similar midst great varieti express peopl idea time immedi death testifi presenc underli realiti case studi geometri not read manuscript euclid contempl principl hand notion firmli embed christian that origin pagan sourc idea that human consist essenti soul and that soul creat birth conscious adopt aristotl idea domin christian thought for fifteen hundr year and todai onc father modern thought and time live that darken time percept etern spiritu had grown dim futur clarifi that not deni that etern irrevoc damnat real possibl narrow rang conceiv decis moment end singl earthli life not mind suffici embrac realiti and that earli creed couch term that not spell rex gerri compuserv
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl geneva rutger edu you wrote geniu scienc that discov that enorm progress knowledg made isol studi physic interact for gener area studi and proceed not logic argument experi scientif method hypothes attempt disprov hypothesi you fail publish fail disprov your hypothesi accept work theori and move thi method suitabl for studi object will object not interest experi scienc not progress experiment philosophis aim experi investig valid hypthes result model produc thi think process arrog scienc assumpt advoc scienc make that scientif method method studi lead knowledg belief scienc advantag approach explain world object arrog assumpt aris that sinc scienc valid method thought exist sort thing scientif method can studi and that scientif method cannot studi not exist cannot affect physic world can studi for exampl sinc part physic world includ spirit affect behaviour can observ scienc not make claim exist exist object not affect physic world sinc asumpt natur world cannot made subject experi bad scienc arrog illog and plain sloppi think purpos scienc produc model physic world model explain past observ and predict outcom futur observ aim experi carri defin observ object ideal scientist will model describ world and model realis minim number assumpt moment model not reli assumpt spiritu world exist equal power assum assumpt spiritu world spiritu model fewer assumpt accept model scientif process never assum that present model correct religion claim repres truth arrog theist that claim repres truth thi cannot scientist steve lang slang sling slink slick slack shack shank thick
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari you talk assumpt bless virgin mari that immacul mother god virgin mari complet earthli life assum bodi and soul into heavenli glori thi defin papal statement had believ that immacul concept thi primarili roman cathol doctrin and direct biblic support note that cathol not sola scriptura that not that bibl sourc christian knowledg fact that doctrin biblic support not necessarili signific that truth can pass tradit church and that can reveal church not interest anoth cathol protest argument cathol can basi for belief clh bibl lot instanc god speak peopl person piec inform person walk into desert for dai etc god power can bibl end book revel god reign end can for that god messag longer happen happen can hear clamor for proof cold respons past thi group hard point across physic stuff that skeptic can document store cite uncorrupt bodi saint apparit fatima portug culmin miracl specif grant show god exist that spin descend sun countri that event approv pope imag mari japan korea yugoslavia philippin africa show tear natur blood investig church realiz that investig decad finish and messag christ will come ten dai that bit late isn event investig locut come stigmata person exhibit christ wound and don heal and doctor don believ pore document thi stuff not koresh oral robert give god will call home free find happen ourselv studi can figur thi you can religion you resourc countri mention not member event god and mari invit conclus final modern dai manifest god and mari scare death sometim told not proof and event and that not bibl lot apparit told read bibl protest cathol issu concern end god church will unit not idea point shouldn worri versu part god work that that matter uniti will come btw plain person not pope spokesperson mark ashlei disclaim opinion not harri marka gcx ssd csd harri lost lo angelino
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept articl atho rutger edu todd nickel laurentian write your roommat correct immacul concept refer concept mari mother womb that defin immacul concept doctrin for knowledg area give biblic support for attempt come term previous attempt understand for learn purpos and haven grasp reason gift god basic reason that tradit church held that mari sin jesu tenet faith develop augustin sin and equat sex and mari assum virgin for life sinc never sin and sinc spous god etc sinc had thi notion origin sin that man born predisposit sin and sinc mari not thi predisposit not sin didn origin sin scienc discov process concept step assum that mari conceiv origin sin immacul concept mari that time appear girl name bernadett lourd refer immacul concept sinc year know doctrin apparit deem true and seal case for doctrin rc hold that revel come two equal import sourc that sacr scriptur and holi tradit thi case tradit joe moor
soc.religion.christian	legal definit religion understand that suprem court never legal definit religion thi despit case involv religion that come court can verifi falsifi thi state govern give legal definit religion
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept note cross post email thi bit listserv cathol main post soc religion christian quotat omit thi respons question immacul concept explain left justif cathol reader clh direct refer holi scriptur for mention mari blessed full grace annunci angel gabriel luke and month angel gabriel god citi galile name nazareth virgin espous man name joseph hous david and virgin name mari and angel and hail thou that art highli favour lord thee bless art thou women hold that line thought lord mari bless art thou women you read book ladi world popular histori devot mari peter lappin immacul concept matter complic assumpt thi aros quit that feast mari concept titl concept saint ann origin commemor physic miracl woman ag child bear conceiv daughter elizabeth had conceiv john baptist transfer emphasi physic miracl wrought ann miracl grace wrought god soul mari logic mari incorrupt timber hewn tabernacl christ sinless bodi god eden tree knowledg and serpent that harm perfect beauti and spotless find exemplar christ puriti that father time council ephesu hail innoc blemish immacul inviol spotless holi soul and bodi bless lili thorn unlearn evil wai ev end thirteenth centuri irish franciscan john dun scotu god maintain that greater thing for preserv son mother sin us power cleas discuss baptism and origin sin pocket cathol cathech john hardon baptism concupisc remain baptism concupisc tendenc sin remain baptiz sinc left provid trial power injur not consent and grace christ jesu manfulli resist canon origin gift adam and ev fall light forego that parent origin gift time had natur gift human be power and choos freeli had preternatur gift bodili immort and integr intern power control desir had supernatur gift sanctifi grace virtu faith hope and chariti and titl enter heaven disobedi lost supernatur and preternatur gift and weaken lose natur capac reason and choos freeli baptism restor supernatur life lost adam sin not restor preternatur gift gift titl glorifi restor bodi last dai back immacul concept not thi interpret book anoth contribut puzzl miracl ann bear child childbear ag and christ not born and baptism mari birth angel gabriel hail mari full grace lord you bless art thou women even mari confus thi greet mari possess treefold origin gift parent adam and ev sin hail mari exampl prais angel gabriel full grace natur preternatur supernatur lord you time god want made bless bless art thou women that concept god made mari full grace and bless tabernacl for come bodi christ and immacul concept mari true and mari maintain immacul heart marida hope that will continu light and fact thi matter
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari articl atho rutger edu revdak netcom andrew kill write observ bodili assumpt basi bibl carl jung declar import pronounc church recent year that impli inclus feminin into godhead jung mean godhead
soc.religion.christian	hell articl atho rutger edu shellgat llo psi larri overack write question that friend and debat last night you knew doubt that hell not exist and that unbeliev simpli remain dead you remain christian content that you answer thi question not remain christian you not jesu christ share work and spread new that kingdom heaven fear base religion not faith relationship made that mean that christian avoid hell isn christian sound mit lieb christu martyn mellodew mrm compsci liverpool martyn mellodew mail mrm compsci liverpool depart appli mathemat arpa internet mrm csc liv and theoret physic janet mrm liv csc univers liverpool box liverpool england dubito ergo deu est
soc.religion.christian	hell atho rutger edu shellgat llo psi write question that friend and debat last night you knew doubt that hell not exist and that unbeliev simpli remain dead you remain christian reason pertin believ xian delet for space strike for appar reason that thi revers had proof that exist hell etern punish for not believ life that make xian pardon languag bloodi hell revers your think thi doesn add debat friend disagre argu fear hell motiv peopl christian that fatal undercut messag that god love point imnsho success terror call revolut and admir histori unsuccess terror lowli cowardli terror phil trodwel alt atheism
soc.religion.christian	bibl languag satan toung articl atho rutger edu koberg spot colorado edu allen koberg write tongu concept tongu us pentecost outdat concept bibl languag and missionari languag church tongu guess peopl not support thi claim lot languag bibl part bibl languag not write simpli written version languag not defin guess thi main goal for wycliff bibl translat defin rule and grammar for write rest languag thi world not that will reason becom unemploi forese futur provid neccessari support and largest missionari organ world bjorn mail mail bjorn larsen bjorn larsen delab sintef sintef delab trondheim tel norwai fax
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach ddavi cass bull dave davi write deuterocanon not canon not quot author that not quit accur book enoch canon dave note can that apocrypha not quot christ dave write iii deuterocanon not canon teach doctrin contrari uncontrovert part canon answer logic invalid priori talk text part superced xtian view not thi principl exclud ecclesiast thi principl cannot consist appli reject your argument spirit speak voic and not contradict ultim test canon whether word inspir spirit god breath test guid faith reason logic earli church decid that apocrypha not meet thi test even book such wisdom ben sirach for exampl lutheran hymn god quot passag thi book deutero canon book ad church histori not spiritu qualiti rest scriptur not church that ad book guid spirit and that thi sort discuss ultim end david wagner confession lutheran god heart and hand and voic wondrou thing hath world rejoic mother arm hath bless countless gift love and todai nun danket all gott martin rinckart compar ben sirach
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari andrew kill write observ bodili assumpt basi bibl carl jung declar import pronounc church recent year that impli inclus feminin into godhead mean absolut idea assumpt greatli extol mari quit obviou that god even part god equal god assumpt bless mother meant that close identif redempt work christ assum note that not ascend bodi and soul into heaven and elijah enoch mose perfect heaven virgin mari superior glorif previous mention personag jung stick psycholog get into theologi andi byler
soc.religion.christian	christian and repeat live articl atho rutger edu jek nih gov write gerri palo write noth christian that preclud idea repeat live earth apostl paul roman point that god chose jacob esau ancestor coven peopl and ultim messiah and that made thi choic two boi mother womb and not possibl good evil deserv appoint destini admit possibl that had live previou live and that accord asiat idea karma present live reward punish for past behaviour thi make nonsens paul point exist repeat earth live and destini karma not mean that that happen predetermin past deed orient view that that direct not subscrib that view god choos individu anoth fit instrument for plan that not preclud that develop that individu into thi earthli life not result longer develop not and rudolf steiner not subscrib orient view inexor mechanist karma determin that befal thi kind shrivel caricatur greater law context deed christ golgotha and ultim salvat and freedom human work christ can master theme and impuls that complet free karma christ incarn onc flesh and that had debt karma sin orient concept reincarn and karma even trivial and mechan ag teach incorrectli assum jesu christ reincarn master avatar etc teach reincarn and karma concept continu individu life buddhism import concept resurrect bodi ultim continu human ultim resurrect and judgement last dai anoth biblic passag that bear tenth chapter john devot almost man born blind jesu tell discipl that not past karma that parent that led blind that impuls reveal note that not refut discipl question fact matter question state evid that two possibl exist sin man not thi incarn sin parent fact that even ask possibl awar idea part and form christ answer that not disagre matthew jesu straight john baptist you care accept elia come thi emphas that gospel not posit teach reincarn fact happen human death and last dai even jesu not push thi teach peopl not readi embrac you care accept care point not that bibl teach reincarn that not deni and that scriptur and fundament christian doctrin becom understand reincarn understood pointedli us repeat earth live distinguish orient doctrin associ word reincarn phrase rudolf steiner wiederholt erdenleben note that idea need aris insight west complet free eastern tradit eighteenth and nineteenth centuri import express less educ human race return your origin point paul statement jacob and esau not contradict idea repeat earth live and karma and principl receiv fulfil incarn death and resurrect ascens and return jesu christ view regard gerri palo compuserv
soc.religion.christian	truth bibl sodium asc slb asc slb michael montgomeri write that god preserv bibl perfectli that perfectli convei truth that intend thi yea version bibl perfectli preserv and translat that not perfectli preserv god confus minor word even accident omiss passag manuscript not chang truth convei lead student into doctrin error note that god provid that exactli happend branch denomin christian and deviat doctrin portrud vari translat biblic text student that numer begin count perfect bibl misinterpret and for debat hand bibl perfect thi planet perfect read correctli point god give cannot us correctli short you attack credibl and reliabl bibl you weak ground reason that can for want remov bibl final author and put that respons men sift bibl strain nugget truth that contain word want and ignor rest bibl truth not truth imho you trust your salvat reliabl singl book you weak ground rememb begin word and word god and word god thi word exist bibl written note word god thi word that john describ cannot fulli describ written languag languag imperfect realiz come contempl word and boundari languag us bibl guid step stone final author god alon final author daniel cossack danc procom compuserv senior softwar engin dupont drive irvin procom technolog inc
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian gmt shellgat llo psi larri overack articl apr geneva rutger edu fsspr acad alaska edu hardcor alaskan write hope that rememb rev troi perri perform march washington will for inconceiv mix christian homosexu whether not christian and homosexu compat debat sinc debat opnion genuin destuct christian us thi sort hominem argument oppos adversari serv drive peopl christian project and confirm frequent held opinion that christian unabl critic and intellig agre speak atheist heterosexu for worth thi attract part varieti christian argu theolog that shouldn make analog discrimin basi sex and race and discrimin basi sexual orient moral case unanswer for religion form analog shouldn discrimin basi sex race sexual orient found moder faq subject instruct and recommend read level accept regard homosexu orient sin evil regard homosexu behaviour sin accept orient orient unfortun and dislik peopl indulg love sinner accept homosexu altogeth experi that common attitud imagin and limit fundamentalist sect suppos can that thi feel that year live commun thi attitud discov that attract member sex not feel love commun feel pressur not exhibit feel not that commun parent not love child suspect child not feel love bruce cmsr univers liverpool
soc.religion.christian	satan toung articl geneva rutger edu marka hcx ssd csd harri mark ashlei write simpl test peopl can speak languag chines russian german english gift start speak toungu audienc understand gift nativ languag gift can hear speak languag that neat bibl that gift toung can thi gift toung abil understood matter languag for gift interpret and corinthian not had written perhap gift glorifi god perhap wit real miracl that pretti harsh assumpt make million christian world wide want glori for speak toung not thi gift peopl thi corinthian church that not mean that true gift that speak toung for glori sight men ventur that larg percentag speak toung privat prayer public link hudson appar earli church claim that pentecost miracl that crowd abil understand apostl speak greek clh
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist undoubtedli peopl adopt atheism for reason suspect that biggi that god believ phillip word small person understand god not allow grow and develop will eventu becom inadequ grei hair gentleman throne comfort imag childhood becom joke therapist friend mine sometim suggest client that fire god mean that let inadequ understand god make room for fuller follow encourag hire guess that lot folk fire process not adequ support subsequ hire billh
soc.religion.christian	daili vers place road mount oliv crowd discipl began joyfulli prais god loud voic for miracl had luke
soc.religion.christian	athiest and hell articl geneva rutger edu sun gerri palo uunet net gerri palo write adam and ev and golgotha process fall man occur thi involv gradual dim conscious spiritu world thi precis point theolog bent live immedi flood such noah ham son cush and son nimrod had stronger appreci divin wrath had stronger understand true god fact thi immediaci hardship for that atla heaven rest shoulder thi not physic heaven that lift put god and strict spiritu law distanc and elev heaven thi god made men feel heaven afar and god heaven not dark cloud not regard displeasur breaker law interest that that titl emancip deliver phoroneu nimrod invad patriarch system and abridg liberti mankind worship for benefit deliver not christ deliver deliv consciou feel god wrath perform deliveri god wrath and accept true question happen human be di christ present christian not readi consign adam abraham even cain etern damnat don problem time adam look forward come anoint and put faith fact that god provis account righteou crucifixion sin cover not dispens church view account sin complet action rom make clear that salvat faith and noth experi etern pass moment relationship etern durat not simpli indefinit extend condit greenwich mean time understand you convei don lai hold scriptur equat etern second death etern church rule christ tell etern life exactli you correct that cessat conscious standard belief peopl that even righteou lost depend your def lost elect lost time time had chosen foundat world existenti born lost righteou christ and never assuredli lost interest share result your studi ancient peopl idea life death thi summer find time put togeth paper simpli bui book for and older book expens that countless trip orient museum mankind fell into mist and dark and turn point time light enter into world light grow and develop ey revel and growth stand li vision and understand feebl contain that will grow time embrac that and couldn agre you understand eschatolog clearer that isaiah that not refer thi point acknowledg openli debt work rudolf steiner founder anthroposophi for insight that led view thi subject you refer doctrin put modern intellectu color abstract and real and spiritu concret teach that struck closer home doctrin teach todai can receiv understand you thi point not readi attribut widespread notion antiqu simpl dispers origin sourc even pass question extent reflect real percept and experi thi thi big question that lie that appreci amount truth satan twist god word coerc ev that interest studi similar midst great varieti express peopl idea time immedi death testifi presenc underli realiti that point two edg sword for not want underli realiti reveal not mysteri religion for reason public side and privat side that protect that initi oath death reveal that privat side that hard bring teach light mysteri iniqu that find bibl correl thi primari object mysteri introduc privat seal secreci and sanction oath not safe openli profess true religion case point todai mason note that worship osiri egypt can trace nimrod husband son hand notion firmli embed christian that origin pagan sourc idea that human consist essenti soul and that soul creat birth conscious adopt aristotl idea domin christian thought for fifteen hundr year and todai disagre you gerri you allud that church primarili rcc endors aristotelian philosophi into worldview disagre you that origin greec you student histori you will come that greec expound world origin adulter that had conquer countri soul mention and discuss length egyptian religion uniti god and triniti god you can find wilkinson egyptian number greek pilfer egyptian onc father modern thought and time live that darken time percept etern spiritu had grown dim not knock aristotl plato greek thinker that noth sun clarifi that not deni that etern irrevoc damnat real possibl narrow rang conceiv decis moment end singl earthli life not mind suffici embrac realiti and that earli creed couch term that not spell each ag focu theologi earli church struggl trinitarian formul reform dealt author todai eschatolog had studi earli creed not spell thing detail weren topic concern insuffici wisdom accumul didn exeget tool that todai each ag air revel ag tend and cultiv garden doctrin growth natur for end time garden for growth eschatolog wouldn tangent never end tangent rex
soc.religion.christian	monophysit and mike walker src reader misconcept that copt orient orthodox church monophysit pop had discuss ago articl geneva rutger edu andrew cmu edu andrew byler write proper term for mike express monophysit thi heresi that condemn council chalcedon grew reaction nestorian held that son and jesu two peopl happen unit bodi temporarili monophysit held copt egypt and ethipoia and jacobit syria and armenian orthodox ofm comment issu mighti subtl you peopl thing hard whether mean thing whether terminolog don question that problem nestoriu and agre that christ had human form real human natur will heret bit wari copt armenian etc recent discuss suggest that monophysit posit not orthodoxi had thought appreci moder that elabor need thi excerpt articl featur issu copt net newslett author eastern roman empir constantinopl oppos western empir rome patriarch and pope alexandria plai lead role christian theologi invit speak christian faith cyril pope alexandria head ecumen council held ephesu year that bishop church alexandria noth spend time meet thi lead role not fare polit start intermingl church affair start emperor marcianu interf matter faith church respons dioscoru pope alexandria exil thi interfer clear you noth church polit motiv even appar chalcedon coptic church unfairli accus teach eutych believ monophysit thi doctrin maintain that lord jesu christ natur divin not two natur human divin coptic church never believ monophysit portrai council chalcedon that council monophysit meant believ natur copt that lord perfect divin and perfect human divin and human unit natur call natur incarn word reiter cyril alexandria copt two natur human and divin that unit mingl confus and alter declar faith end coptic divin liturgi two natur not separ for moment twinkl ey declar faith end coptic divin liturgi coptic church misunderstood centuri council chalcedon perhap council understood church correctli want exil church isol and abolish egyptian independ pope despit thi coptic church remain strict and steadfast faith whether conspiraci western church exil coptic church punish for refus polit influenc whether pope dioscuru didn quit extra mile make point that copt not monophysit coptic church felt mandat reconcil semant differ christian church thi aptli express current successor mark pope shenouda iii coptic church faith import and that semant and terminolog import thi centuri coptic church plai import role ecumen movement coptic church founder world council church remain member that council sinc coptic church member african council church aacc and middl east council church mecc church plai import role christian movement conduct dialogu aim resolv theolog differ cathol greek orthodox presbyterian and evangel church final note orient orthodox and eastren orthodox sign common statement christolog heresei monophysit condemn coptic orthodox church not monophysit peac nabil nabil ayoub engin research center dept mechan engin univers wisconsin madison email ayoub erctitan wisc edu mention apolog comment quot confus that nestoriu monophysit andrew byler correctli state nestorian and monophysit opposit parti point make nabil explain detail that group that consid heret aren chalcedon compromis two group alexandrian and antiochen adopt languag that intend accept moder camp rule extrem agre that extrem that heret complex polit time appear that peopl reject didn intend heresi simpli us languag that not understood even mispres and not joint compromis for reason doctrin group descend supposedli heret camp thi post discuss descend alexandrian remain nestorian current call monophysit reason that current call nestorian not heret shelter nestoriu unfair treatment claim not adopt heresi and fact follow moder repres antiochen tradit clh
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari ddavi cass bull dave davi write delet explain immacul concept and assumpt mari origin sin reason fallen human di adam and ev not di had not fallen thi true genesi stori god concern that adam and ev eat tree life and live forev and god eat tree life not effect eat tree knowledg reason assum that had eaten tree life and had attain etern life basi for that thi wage sin spiritu death not necessarili physic death can attest truth thi interpret experi suspect that attest thi peac will william taber will taber opinion express data gener corp will futon webo mine alon and westboro mass chang notic your dream laid rest you can second hard david wilcox
soc.religion.christian	public privat revel question virgin mari mark ashlei account privat revel not contradict post that cathol church believ that public revel cathol doctrin base end death john last apostl that post made us word public public revel contain god truth intend for revel contain bibl signific subset public revel privat revel revel that god individu speak directli individu send angel send virgin mari lesser saint person requir privat revel person reveal devot practic base report privat revel doctrin can not alleg privat revel attract suffici attent church investig investig likelihood that alleg privat revel fact god will approv that mean that can preach church true that requir that god cathol free deni authent even attest and strongli approv privat revel such fatima and lourd suspect that cathol reject fatima and lourd reject not mean not orthodox cathol good stand not hand list criteria church evalu alleg privat revel not dai that primari requir that noth alleg privat revel can contradict public revel marti helgesen bitnet mnhcc cunyvm internet mnhcc cunyvm cuni edu such thing hypothet situat
soc.religion.christian	question agnost gmt damon math okstat edu hast damon tod christian friend mine onc reason that never creat not exist creat and exist creator thi statement consid valid proof christian and follow religion suppos rest delet variant quit popular thi and argument discuss john lesli macki miracl theism argument for and exist god macki ultim side argument quit fair side discuss can found alt atheism faq bruce cmsr univers liverpool
soc.religion.christian	satan toung pwhite empro peter white relat stori person messag tongu consist word ask refrain that brother puka control for week church had invit missionari speak time meet tongu and interpret aris speak brother puka and word puka pastor apolog for thi embarrass missionari aros speak that that not interpret that give translat tribe had work had word languag puka mean deriv inflect and voic qualiti brother puka had perfectli inflect and reason messag nice stori set urban legend charismat legend alarm can linguist net identifi languag descript can even attest that such languag exist odd standard european languag that exist linguist extrem case overreact your basic shaggi dog stori will william taber will taber opinion express data gener corp will futon webo mine alon and westboro mass chang notic your dream laid rest you can second hard david wilcox
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari moder note you mean assumpt cathol that bless virgin mari heaven bodi and soul end life thi unusu normal event for your bodi decai grave and stai that resurrect dead wasn that for enoch and elijah translat directli into heaven grasp object that mari greater enoch elijah not benefit priveleg reciev mother god full grace and immacul histor belief assumpt can found write gregori tour late centuri and germain constantinopl and john damascu and andrew crete and note that monophysit chruch egypt and syria hold thi belief part divin revel even broke uniti chruch reject council chalcedon argu protest that cathol and orthodox made thi belief monophysit put big hole that notion hold belief and split chruch belief annunci write lost time father andi byler
soc.religion.christian	seek christian opinion sort subject seek christian opinion sort rob steel rsteel adam mit edu date gmt you mean that your fellow christian tend find you wacki you interest franki schaeffer book philistin american christian addict mediocr and recent sham pearl for real swine dai year ago franki schaeffer walk into greek orthodox church orthodox christian mother and father fransi schaeffer had not pass come into church franki american recent found orthodox church describ experi final come home long jounei desert you read book orthodox peter gillquist describ long journei weari evangel protest orthodox church come tast and good lord timothi richardson rich student umn edu
soc.religion.christian	nicen creed major view triniti michael bushnel write call creed athanasiu western creed and had filioqu orthodox that accept that except filioqu not us exactli point wrong your us creed cathol encylcopedia read orthodox us creed minu filioqu appar that chang athanasian creed had filioqu nicen constantinopolitan not orthodox not delet filioqu nicen creed wasn begin athanasian creed begin point that problem start differ wai explain gener bless triniti east emphas idea holi spirit proceed father son and west proceed father and son fact such tertullian us formul below form exampl profess that call god and word father and and son two for root and stem two thing conjoin fountain and river two kind indivis sun and rai two form coher proce anoth necessarili second that proce not that account separ second two and ther spirit god and son root fruit stem and fountain stream river and thrid sun apex rai tertullian praxea and that spirit proce not father son tertullian praxea and thoma show summa theologica part question articl and contradict two method gener and fact two method reckon process emphas augustin taught that holi spirit proce father and son proce father preemin for son father father that holi spirit proce for father alon not anoth for reason alon call unbegotten not scriptur practic theologian and emploi such term matter great son born father and holi spirit proce princip father and sinc father son that interv time holi spirit proce jointli father and son call son father and son abhor sound mind had begotten spirit not begotten each proce each and augustin hippo triniti sens formul correct west holi spirit proce father and son proceed son orgin that process process father holi spirit proceed father son that son father holi spirit can proce father mention son case happi that follow belief pope leo fulgenc rusp cyril alexandria pope damsu augustin hippo epiphaniu salami ambros milan hilari poitier tertullian and father quotabl quot support cathol posit enunci for issu adopt anoth creed forbidden will point that holi father ephesu and chalcedon spoke creed nicea statement forbid produc write compos confess faith defin father nicea that creed creed that constantinopl commonli call nicen creed not that condemn adopt constantinopolitan creed enlarg creed nicea that condemn impiou opinion nestori had adopt radic creed us church thing deni process holi spirit form son addit constantinopolitan creed not thought violat thi and council chalcedon affirm doctrin process holi spirit son nestoriu deni explain fuller creed for approv previou addit and explan creed made constantinopl not denigr work holi father nicea heret follow that council toledo fulli add not disput faith creed combat impieti arian spain filioqu not disput church year photiu and and that filioqu not disput provid quot below sinc holi spirit effect conform god and proce father and son abundantli clear that divin essenc essenc and proceed cyril alexandria treasuri holi and consubstanti triniti thesi holi spirit not father son spirit father and son for written love world spirit father not and written not spirit christ father and son name thi holi spirit understood son gospel that holi spirit proce father and that receiv mine and announc you pope damasu decre damasu begotten holi spirit name son appel father call holi spirit and not foreign father for begotten call spirit father and proce father and will receiv mine that reckon not foreign son substanc godhead spirit divin god and god for spirit god spirit father and spirit son not kind synthesi soul and bodi midst father and son father and son appel father exist and son exist and spirit breath father and son and son creat spirit creat epiphaniu salami cypru man anchor and holi spirit not remain silent speak account not not for silent speak acknowledg father and son sourc hilari poitier trintii point gaul spain itali africa egypt palastin and land greek christnedom that time father can cite show that confess doctrin express filioqu suggest orthodox church that come father john damascu will admit deni filioqu support view not bring proce father line creed gospel john for that not holi spirit not proce son that proce father andi byler
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl geneva rutger edu andrew cmu edu andrew byler write beyt bcg thor write noth unclean enter heaven rev babi born such state that die cuf god and put hell that explain matthew that hour discipl jesu greatest kingdom heaven and call child and set midst and verili you turn and becom children wise enter into kingdom heaven even not will your father heaven that perish nice thing bibl you don invent bunch convolut ration understand unlik your argument for origin sin face origin sin thought long bibl had written and basi scriptur anthoni
soc.religion.christian	serbian genocid work god articl apr geneva rutger edu revdak netcom andrew kill write jame sledd jsledd ssdc sa upenn edu wrote serb work god hmm you suggest that god support genocid perhap german punish jew god behalf god work that indescrib evil and unworthi worship faith you want your attitud holocaust read deuteronomi chapter tom price cmu edu free will free will plutoniumsurveillanceterroristciaassassinationirancontrawirefraudcryptolog
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist you stori grew cathol wasn issu for met born christian sweet person not proseletyz not impos into christian felt depress felt guilti for person honest feel hard reconcil thi conflict taught ration read lot book pro and con religion gener and specif catholic crisi point final click and staunch atheist thi loos explan gist feel esteem gener stronger person defin goal strong and stabl sens moral and valu not neo nazi corrupt politicain etc human right and live and live thing anti violent and anti hatr thi debunk myth that atheist deprav religion place system tough bertrand russel that cannot god doesn exist can prove that sens can agnost for practic purpos god thanq ken engel kene ac edu
soc.religion.christian	christian martial art and salut touch peopl christian you defin and martial art topic for discuss your martial art your view relationship christian and your art your view relationship your christian and your art christian particip shouldn christian particip biblic view pro con for exampl heard fellow karat for christ thing and wasn for not involv offici organ call christian black belt associ and distribut info upcom event interest you won put mail list will your name sold you intest email list interest email repli thi cross post group don read summari discuss shalom robert switzer czu cbnewsh att bell lab laurel av middletown usa amateur radio oper czu robert switzer
soc.religion.christian	good jewish argument kwfinken pooh harpo ucc edu kevin finkenbind wrote scott born phy virginia edu wrote intro delet jesu wasn descend david messiah suppos joseph christian that joseph wasn relat jesu truthfulli you geneolog christ luke and matthew you will notic that trace line back david told that trace mari line back david and trace joseph line back david david histori acord jewish friend jewish pass child mother and legal right jewish pass father true that geneolog mari christ bloodlin david mother thi mean that christ had legal right decend david roman law and possibl mosaic law not joseph christ legal father argument for luke genealog that mari weak luke and began ministri jesu thirti year ag supposedli son joseph son eli fact that mari not mention two interpret joseph father brother thi not accept that joseph son eli father and happen name man betroth that grasp straw straightforward interpret that luke had intent trace mari genealog case name that trace husband david son nathan matthew descend list trace david son solomon joseph matthew read and jacob born joseph husband mari born jesu call christ two appar problem reconcil two patern genealog diverg son david solomon and nathan second genealog joseph relav joseph had noth joseph not jesu physic father origin poster quit correct that claim for jesu messian heritag not base truth appear jesu divin natur second problem easi mind assum that joseph not involv concept jesu holi spirit capabl work physic concept mari capabl emploi physic agenc joseph seed thi work materialist time interpret vigin and loss sole term physic act matter puriti higher level import thing that mari joseph consciou union had not each gospel dedic half open chapter genealog joseph quit relev jesu virgin birth not withstand question answer that creat begin problem resolv that two evangelist relat birth two children two set parent for name parent and child and birthplac bethlehem point common two stori matthew and luke converg account thirti year baptism jesu jordan rudolf steiner offer explan account begin two children and converg account jesu nazareth not deriv resolut biblic studi specul extern document and discuss thi bring limit appropri for thi newsgroup case detail describ steiner spiritu guidanc human and human gospel luke and gospel matthew whether not rudolf steiner method and explan accept valid thi interpret resolv appar contradict two genealog leav text intact for pass jewish mother thi never issu jesu question mari jewish issu genealog patern line descent david king gerri palo compuserv
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell imagin worst depth despair you encount worst physic pain you experienc peopl suffer such emot physic and mental anguish live that death merci pain end death you live hundr such live conclus you instantli reborn into anoth you live million billion year thi state thi forev thi happen jesu don not heard live dai suffer and di wage sin paragraph jesu didn pai for sin surpris moder thi want reason explan for thi ken
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl geneva rutger edu loisc microsoft loi christiansen write articl apr geneva rutger edu fsspr acad alaska edu wrote you visit congreg christian happen homosexu that spirit fill believ gift spirit not endors behavior lot peopl suffer similar belief jesu that peopl come lord lord and proclaim miracul work had name jesu that worker iniqu that not and depart that not that thi will happen commit homosexu sin holi spirit moral perfect not god can forgiv sin repent peopl care not god gift spirit gai that danger hebrew partaken holi spirit and power world come lord work commun homosexu commun that not ask chang sexual natur jesu doesn chang natur cannot lift ourselv sin submit hand natur practic homosexu act and homosexu lust violat moral that god set you don that and ignor weak faith and celeb for sake practic homosexu worth cost soul whether homosexu consid ignor link hudson
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ mserv mozart iup edu mail server write thing don understand sacr make templ ritual secret attribut sacr thi case that not spoken common manner trampl feet such lord name todai ceremoni perform templ templ set sacr holi uncommon place that ceremoni can interpret correctli view spirit thi case templ point view brought into public trampl feet misinterpret and mock and offens not assum that us word and that offici spokesman for ld church state gener feel feel free disagre steve ward bcstec boe
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept maxwel muir write quick question mari immacul conciev pure vessel thi mean that sin and perfect mean sinless femal human thi held highli cathol church despit basic patriarch structur immacul conceiv and never subject origin sin never commit person sin life thi special degre grace grant god regard highli special relationship god and that flow that relationship cathol church see ev father earli church us thi figur lot ev mother live genet sens mari mother live order grace sin ev grace jesu christ mari
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god reason for death penalti reveng you refut posit refut posit acknosledg that you speak small piec problem broad sweep reason etc tough nut crack death penalti reallli doesn year fbi releas crime stat show overwhelm amount crime commit repeat offend peopl kill folk kill time aobut folk for death penalti not for reveng cut recidiv jim
soc.religion.christian	serbian genocid work god note not origin poster answer thi import articl atho rutger edu andrew cmu edu andrew byler write revdak netcom write evil result human sin will god sens sens that god evil happen god not had happen sens mean that will happen god not condon evil for good you god desir seper happen for exampl god desir that save timothi quit obviou that save god will thwart will cannot escap for even appear that your will will god grace dispos wish come ag question evil occur answer that god evil occur not condon that ultim plan brought sucess person suggest read part summa theologica thoma that deal knowledg god good grasp thi idea whoo care languag god voluntarili give omnisci thi world that can decid free will thi sens god evil occur and thi sens can held respons chaplain will that save not save step direct will save read that last sentenc carefulli not save ourselv accept salvat not predestin you that you stuff delet not that deserv punish simpli point that god serbian and croatian instrument punish israelit cannanit troubl that guess that thing that can resolv argument accept your interpret delet issu not question god made world god choos whether discern world god intend debat whether not oppos serbian ethnic cleans will god and christian not particip such war and slaughter that not mitig fact that god thi evil continu for patient and will that perish wait for foreknown turn evil thi that you predestin correct not predestin choos whether not will accept god gift salvat fundament differ can resolv delet not that evil befal bosnian justifi guilt that that god punish thi thi evil justifi that not mean that god cannot us evil purpos not accus bosnian guilti great sin that god judg defend time come for judgement god sincer hope and prai that will jesu christ advoc that judgement god judg will mete that punish last judgement for evil can human be that not god will and can taht good come thing that worri will god argument that thi will convinc peopl that not stop rape and kill that christ that jesu stop stone adulter woman perhap thi not good parallel not stop murder and violat peopl not innoc andi byler vera your clock bind todai vera noy your religion strong name noy midwai uchicago edu you triniti disclaim lard patrick breastplat disclaim
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god articl atho rutger edu johnson cua edu yusef tariq write law that wed happen church reqir that you and bride agree marri each can you christian wed proce marriag discuss bibl mu person civil marriag standard impos god not societi you want live you can you don want civil marriag don you don want wed church don you want call that marriag ahead hope that young peopl that you don follow your exampl gari chin staff engin sun microsystem view gchin eng sun origin messag claim that marriag not discuss bibl disagre aspect marriag discuss paul letter ephesian see marriag symbol god relationship church mean specif that marriag ceremoni isn describ that true peopl mean christian marriag not that take place church that parti undertak commit each that associ marriag bibl clh
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ mserv mozart iup edu mail server write thing don understand sacr make templ ritual secret sacr secret explan bit mislead profound rever for templ endow injunct discuss ceremoni public sinc public discuss irrever mormon silent cherish practic malign element ceremoni particip explicitli coven not reveal conjunct ceremoni grant gnostic christian had secret ritual pagan pre christian mysteri religion interpret christian histori thi matter recal that gnostic written enemi eusebiu claim that jesu impart secret inform peter jame and john resurrect and that apostl transmit that inform rest twelv eusebiu historia ecclesiastica irenaeu claim thi inform pass priest and bishop heresi eusebiu disagre claim secret ceremoni christian church perish apostl interestingli eusebiu refer group todai call gnostic promulg fals gnosi eusebiu cit iii gripe not that thai profess gnosi that had wrong write deal jesu post resurrect teach emphas secreci not conceal polici not teach thing indiscrimin stori simon magu open dialog peter natur god peter respons you not father and god you whenc soul and and made not permit disclos thing you clementin recognit theme underli recognit idea that doctrin not idli taught can had level spiritu matur reach can approach thi and such evid wai don intend that interpret christian histori that evid exist favor interpret earli christian rite analog practic mormon todai testament christian biblic judaism made secret practic judaism and christian had such ceremoni you expect read public document can search book mormon and mormon scriptur and find almost inform templ worship you establish that mormon worship templ you hard press character that worship that basi can conclud that bibl explain practic place and that absenc such descript prove not exist mormon scholar hugh niblei offer list scriptur you mysteri kingdom heaven not matt men cannot receiv thi save matt thing you cannot bear john time cometh speak you proverb shew you plainli father john unspeak word not law for man utter cor thing not write paper and ink come you and speak face face niblei sinc cumorah can interpret wai serv show that not doctrin taught taught openli heard that joseph smith entir practic ritual and secreci surround ritual freemason authorit inform whether not thi claim true histor joseph smith had adiminist templ endow ceremoni for year join freemason diari evid support claim that rite not chang smith mason can argu that smith had ampl exposur mason proceed burlesqu time and brother hyrum mason specif connect establish convers mason respect templ rite transcript appear net led that connect masonri mormon fairli tenuou moder note similar remov recent revis templ ceremoni that critic charg that mormon rite lift freemasonri not adequ knowledg rite question jai windlei univers utah salt lake citi jwindlei asylum utah edu
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ mserv mozart iup edu mail server write bcstec boe steve ward write dan kuhub ukan edu write dan question mormon templ ritual delet for breviti thought interject thi and you dan you that you don mean offend for ld templ goer templ ceremoni sacr that promis never divulg can you trust tell you cerermoni thing don understand sacr make templ ritual secret lot sacr thing christian includ sacr scriptur noth secret thing for lord not reveal thing world publish wide thing sacr place pre post condit feel preced scriptur knowledg sacr thing withheld transfigur jesu instruct peter jame and john vision man son man risen dead matt live time savior public record thi event faith friend paul experi vision paradis heard unspeak word not law for man utter cor thi person heard paul can not write corinthian and incid record book mormon word utter babe forbidden that not man write nephi entir text follow for you access bom nephi behold pass morrow that multitud gather togeth and and heard children yea even babe open mouth and utter marvel thing and thing utter forbidden that not man write ld scholar specul that word not written sacr portion templ withhold world can understand mormon limit templ access faith mormon never understood emphasi shroud templ ritual mysteri can discuss templ ordin can discuss baptism and vicari ordin for dead can discuss concept endow ritual element can not discuss includ saint templ portion endow receiv token and sign that will permit access heaven thi knowledg sacr and respect condit reveal idler
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin noth unclean enter heaven rev babi born such state that die cuf god and put hell exactli doctrin augustin and thoma cour origin sin thier soul suffer lightest punish loss vision oand presenc god that not chang undeni fact that cannot possibl come forgivenss origin sin can inherit etern life that augustin pelagian heret taught you want christian not teach that unbapt infant can come forgivenss origin sin doesn bibl that god fair god thi true can thi possibl fair infant
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari two follow mark last post current investig church recent declar cry statu and messag mari akita japan approv found thi month ago proof depart start appear mari fatima thing pictur miracl sun that appear major american newspap york time major european newspap talk post for hour thi topic thesi write god bless mike walker want info mdw uxa cso uiuc edu
soc.religion.christian	portland earthquak archau saturn wwc edu austin archer write interest view event can christian discrimin messag god and spuriou heurist avoid embrac messag fulfil proven fals caus name christ disreput thi problem that care understand scriptur can that anytim proven event mistaken point failur understand god will result reevalu accept truth hasten add that skeptic even cynic prophesi tend such christian put stock church repres christ world christian avoid made laugh stock world dishonor cry wolf tend comment good point true that fals predict danger warn onc scriptur fals prophtet case issu cannot falsli report such vision reason believ not impress you assert thi respons not respons your post respons topic exampl appear mari fatima portug thing predict convers russia atheism that happen year bolshevik revolut predict second world war that predict predict that occur papaci pope not current happen warn fire sky warn that second world war start week germani invad weathermen and women suppos europ england spain eastern europ report spectacular reddish color sky record thi dai explain northern light and relat mari predict simpli coincid you can decid for mari predict that atheist russia spread evil world and persecut religion thing numer list singl realiz can us term coincid time explan us becom ridicul fals prophet and fals report true remain open that fatima exampl anoth occur apparit that take place medjurgorj yugoslavia call mari appear dai for eleven year time world start listen info want peac christ lord mike walker mdw uxa cso uiuc edu
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian new cbnewsk att write arrog arrog not result religion result peopl know firmli believ idea and desir show right assum that god decid judg for sake kind and merci judg judg judg ourselv cor judg ourselv not come judgment judg lord discipl that will not condemn world cor even not physic present you spirit and pass judgment thi present cor spiritu man make judgment thing not subject man judgement for mind lord that instruct mind christ jude enoch seventh adam prophesi men lord come thousand thousand holi judg and convict ungodli ungodli act ungodli and harsh word ungodli sinner spoken arrog sin desir show right sign arrog case sign that bibl jude merci doubt snatch fire and save show merci mix fear hate even cloth stain corrupt flesh find arrog typic don hope you don find arrog thi sound bad practic ignor peopl you perceiv arrog jame dear brother note thi quick listen slow speak and slow becom angri aaron
soc.religion.christian	christian and repeat live noth christian that preclud idea repeat live earth paragraph testament opinion make posit infer reincarn don rememb top head basic thi jesu talk apostl and pharise that messiah can come elijah come jesu repli that elijah come not recogn that apostl perceiv that refer john baptist thi impli reincarn can offer reason altern interpret interest hear
soc.religion.christian	satan toung articl geneva rutger edu marka hcx ssd csd harri mark ashlei write articl geneva rutger edu mmh dc qmw matthew huntbach write claim don authent case peopl make prolong speech real languag don observ speak tongu practic noth thi simpl test peopl can speak languag chines russian german english gift start speak toungu audienc understand gift nativ languag gift can hear speak languag point speak tongu thing problemat us prayer languag troubl understand that you prai tongu spirit talk and you prai you prai god and spirit god spirit talk pentecost us actual languag phrase speak tongu men and angel us paul cor mislead context assum that angel tongu and speak languag angel tongu hmmm testament stori tower babel god punish give languag can assum that angel languag that angel not punish manner suppos angel tongu sound anoth disturb that peopl find wai justifi jabber bui idea that talk languag never learn troubl such stori abound and attempt verif and test spirit show that wit had real idea circumst that outright fabric involv brother puka stori previou post friend friend thing and linguist two syllabl word qualifi languag inflect faith healer troubl prove victori sinc ailment cure plain unprov and modern dai ressurrect never valid true that modern dai xenoglossolalia prove clergi lai
soc.religion.christian	give spiritu gift thought share nice experi exam todai walk street campu and beggar and ask for spare chang had dollar that gave and not want give monei stranger gener give dollar that will bui food mcdonald offer spiritu gift call gift monei talk great felt that god had made such pretti dai and nice give peopl get marri talk and husband had not even had hous for that felt special love lord unselfish kind care warm heart that peopl can monetarili and realiz that spiritu rich good lesson for want cannot count sold bought doug fowler dxf cwru edu heaven great big hug that last forev and that great scorer come mark your name write not whether you won lost you plai game grantland rice
soc.religion.christian	variant text cont echo andrew kill wrote publish form english type recens act beza quit bizarr gospel type text share beza strang read stand for codex claromontanu frank
soc.religion.christian	satan kick heaven biblic articl atho rutger edu eastee wkuvx bitnet write question satan taught long time ago that satan angel god and kick heaven challeng god author problem cannot find thi bibl bibl not origin satan god highest rank angel uriel raphael michael and gabriel fact name satanel challeng god author and kick heaven lot mytholog satan lost suffix fell come book enoch and not found bibl read book enoch bookstor book call angel endang speci steven salari lot danger live crew salari carc wustl edu and stupid us foul languag idea philosophi geoff tate queensrych
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu mayn fsu edu write articl atho rutger edu fil sapienza med umich edu fil sapienza write atheist atheist believ result broken thi condescend and slightli disquis hominem attack thi attitud part theist vocal reason for hostil you sens you atheist that peopl turn religion immatur emotion agre you find peopl don share your belief not attack condescend and hope neutral pictur come open mind don that atheist gener broken and effect like emot price pai for hear belief lack thereof condemn and motiv and charact attack you even sort anti belief neg connot meant mean simpli that you that god not exist christian can feel that sens differ associ weird televangelist talk satan you excus clich sound thi deal differ peopl can understand atheist hard for you christian sometim hard for atheist reason good reason religion had taught thi pain pressur famili and friend want fit and accept final cognit disson great you not repress you feel you discuss fear admir thing learn belief can enrich your ask question that atheist can learn answer and becom stronger faith faith can support know answer question weak and untru sympathi for gai grow repress environ and hide and sometim deni part case ration sexual forc repress pressur you chose your belief you that not your choic born necess flame whether not gai peopl choos lifestyl that thi newsgroup that wasn hurt experi church friend didn becom atheist hurt differ not understand thi sentenc you explain moder point that atheist aren hostil ceas believi xiantii religion true that peopl pat robertson and christian extremist soc religion christian natur evok hostil attack disagre and attempt forc view you compani you christian preach alt atheism not surpris hostil ouch part christian accept open heart includ peopl camp complet disagre token that accus and suspicion not reach not faith effect browbeat peopl into accept religion idea mission christian happi faith and that and want happi religion share pressur and make decis point you agre disagre accept divers not uniform sow peac bill mayn vera noy your clock bind todai vera noy your religion strong name noy midwai uchicago edu you triniti disclaim lard patrick breastplat disclaim
soc.religion.christian	satan kick heaven biblic articl atho rutger edu eastee wkuvx bitnet write question satan taught long time ago that satan angel god and kick heaven challeng god author problem cannot find thi bibl bibl not origin workshop thi for episcopalian student gather coupl month ago want answer that stori never specif told bibl refer made primarili testament testament view satan excus pun devil advoc for yahweh book job get back fallen angel stori refer lucif bibl for mistransl morn star king jame version isaiah refer babylonian monarch sun king refer loui xiv don stori roll for long time milton paradis lost invent for sketchi rest thi hurri and eat lunch feel free email stuff found lot result bibl concord program call quickvers lousi don bui wonder eddi western kentucki univers eastee wkuvx bitnet hope thi help vera cherch un am qui don agre pourra aider mylen farmer religi view sui interest un gener desenchante vera noy mylen farmer noy midwai uchicago edu
soc.religion.christian	monophysit and mike walker articl geneva rutger edu andrew cmu edu andrew byler write mike walker you standard formula fulli god and fulli human that not you object that jesu human usual analysi that sin not part basic definit human consequ fall jesu human not fallen human clh differ moder thi thought idea god come earth live subject sin and death consecr prayer book common prayer put that jesu tempt not succumb sin not part basic definit human jesu fulli human nicea not subject sin resurrect lose mean encount human powerfulli sin distinguish human and fallen human make jesu time issu mighti subtl you peopl thing hard whether mean thing whether terminolog don question that problem nestoriu and agre that christ had human form real human natur will heret bit wari copt armenian etc recent discuss suggest that monophysit posit not orthodoxi had thought nestoriu extrem repres two major school thought moder repres regard orthodox theodor mopsuestia impress that modern monophysit group inherit entir tradit not nestoriu version and that suffici balanc posit regard orthodox clh monophysit inherit nestoriu version opposit end spectrum second histor record suggest that posit attribut nestoriu not extrem success oppon wrote convent histori claim nestoriu oppos term theotoko for mari argu correctli that human not call mother god mean athanasian creed talk son uncreat sure even arian conced that jesu exist long mari nestoriu oppon claim that mari not theotoko that claim that gave birth human natur jesu requir two seper and distinct natur argument fail mari simpli gave birth jesu preexist divin you accept nestorian commonli defin natur intertwin chalcedon second not that nestorian not altern orthodox view find hard that pre incarn that jesu human natur heaven likewis post ascens that god earth and natur seper natur capabl tempt gethseman sinc divin natur never tempt moment weak divin natur prevail comment warmli appreci jason albert differ mean subject sin origin complaint didn call jesu fulli human didn sin complet agre that jesu subject temptat simpli object idea that not succumb therebi not fulli human that you not sin order human apolog for confus nestorian and monophysit agre you and that reason that not associ heret posit fact heret scholar maintain that nestoriu not nestorian confess that time read correspond nestoriu and oppon thought scholar that work that eventu led chalcedon advanc and that nestoriu rash and dogmat editor christolog controversi refer reject approach regular usenet reader narrow can impedi wrong thing that problemat respond mild letter cyril flame worthi usenet attribut logo name incarn characterist flesh that conjoin brother work mind err fashion greek that mind diseas insan heresi ariu and apollinari and carri idea thi associ bound make divin logo part fed milk and particip degre growh and stand angel assist fear thing fals put deiti and becom occas condemn for perpetr falsehood and good maintain proper distinct human and divin concept incarn base exactli idea that divin logo fact degre part born grow and dy understood that indirect logo particip thing sort identif divin and human don incarn nestoriu black and white term and miss sort nuanc deal thi area you find hard that pre incarn that jesu human natur heaven don that requir orthodox doctrin divin logo that etern clh
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soc.religion.christian	satan and mtv told that satan angel charg music heaven and top that beauti angel isn funni that dai mtv becom bibl music and beauti dai mtv control band popular matter bad fact polit correct madonna music talent you thi televis station that tell dress start retro fashion craze mtv and madonna gag food for thought wierd theori revel come true todai mtv chang water music and fashion world that beast aris and madonna will whore babylon ride beast and drink blood martyr hmmmm great idea for book movi steven salari lot danger live crew salari carc wustl edu and stupid us foul languag idea philosophi geoff tate queensrych
soc.religion.christian	satan toung articl atho rutger edu koberg spot colorado edu allen koberg write di crepanc even charismat organ proper us tongu revelatori interpret for prayer us for signifi believ doubt sinc can pentecost assembl god church christ espous neo pentecost tend view prayer us and sign speak tongu servic not neo pentecost for part attend protest church denomin church view us sign option recommend koberg coupl minor correct church christ not speak tongu fact for strongli oppos pentecost teach you think church god christ largest african american pentecost denomin not you mean signifi believ point that assembl god not held that speak tongu sign that christian doctrin that tradit pentecost includ maintain that speak tongu sign second experi christian baptiz holi spirit that you refer point thi pentecost frequent label believ that you speak tongu order christian such posit held group and not major pentecost pentecost will quot passag mark sign that gener not interpret thi mean you don pactic sign you aren save hard summar belief movement that such divers you made pretti big gener neo pentecost tongu sign and tongu prayer not tongu revelatori messag never heard that fact character believ pentecost like tongu sign spirit baptism neo pentecost not inclin speak tongu pentecost church attend meet and case church will charismat ken banner dept religi studi univers pennsylvania kbanner phila sa upenn edu
soc.religion.christian	major view triniti ann jackson ajackson ubc wrote articl geneva rutger edu jim green write can describ triniti simpl declar sentenc word that common mean answer thi question appear submit help enorm post apolog that middl ag customari for pastor explain triniti parishon analog water water water can exist form liquid ic and vapor for essenc exist form and recent pastor church drew analog found woman perciev wai depend relationship mother wife and employe busi clear that essenc god can subsist father son and holi spirit depend for carol bocher
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christiani think that homosexu and christian compat roman corinthian timothi jude peter gen lev name vers that pertain homosexu christ love bryan whitsel wait for thi your question rephras vers bibl condem homosexu belief shove throat homosexu for long time mean christian question interpret vers discuss issu thi issu requir proof your case disproof oppos view familiar vers and proven that condem homosexu behaviour establish reason for not believ thi true base interpret scriptur come grip todd
soc.religion.christian	apolog respond post last week and carri somewhat hostil tone for apolog for not intent creat contriversi piss peopl offend
soc.religion.christian	nation repent christian prai for copor forgiv nation sin michael covington claim lewi lewi made point essai world war christian leader britain urg nation repent for horror sin world war michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi surpris heard thi kind remark fellow grad student sinc had seminari train read essai and not find lewi make such claim lewi condemn us such copor prayer effort platform make polit jab oppon feign confess guilt lord forgiv for allow insert polit issu idea platform exist countri wrong and your forgiv interest know part essai you feel condemn nation repent quot jonathan waugh graduat research associ pulmonari medicin div ohio state univers samp perri columbu jwaugh magnu ac ohio state edu
soc.religion.christian	mari assumpt point mari into heaven end life earth piec evid for mari assumpt into heaven fact that christian church claim sight buri christian church claim locat final rest place peter mark and saint claim possess bodi mari greatest saint knew that had into heaven definit scriptur proof for assumpt mari passag suggest passag revel that describ woman give birth son and crown heaven woman thi passag interpret can symbol for church assumpt mari make sens relationship christ jesu perfect god and perfect man fulfil requir law perfectli law god gave honor mother and father and christ act take mother into heaven part fulfil that law flesh that decid not flesh rot grave last point cathol attempt explain cathol doctrin assumpt assert connect belief that mari not die thi not correct summari cathol dogma assumpt carefulli phrase avoid whether mari not die fact consensu cathol theologian that mari fact die thi make sens christ di and mother wait foot cross want share death brian finnerti
soc.religion.christian	christian fight justifi war post thi coupl week ago and doesn appear newsgroup and haven had repli moder intermitt problem mail time excus you thi christian fight last week alastair post question fight and whether such thing justifi war start into thing and jot find haven answer question and slightli tack possibl into deepli and post info duti neighbour good men gal love neighbour ourselv matt act part good samaritan luke troubl will render assist injur man and not part organis peopl harm even medic corp armi etc christian faith citizen commonwealth israel ephesian and recognis that god rule kingdom men and not take part struggl nation not part due faith stranger and pilgrim nation pass and not part nation nation aspir thi can appli polit etc that anoth stori not suppos strive resist evil even suffer defraud incosist for strive assist preserv state christ will destroi return set god kingdom duti state render caesar thing caesar and god thing god luke soul subject higher power for power god power that ordain god whosoev resisteth power resisteth ordin god rom submit ordin man for lord sake whether king suprem for will god that put silenc ignor foolish men pet scriptur make clear that submiss power that divin command equal clear act that ordin man run counter god law refus submiss reason for thi that god bond servant and servic life task exampl type thing col bondserv work heartili lord work boss god press shaken togeth and run oop bit side track contest nation god side side that not fight battl testifi truth god and embrac promis becom fellow citizen saint and household god and longer interest associ world thi relat union etc paul tell lai weight that run race that set and wise will discard associ retard progress thou endur hard good soldier jesu christ man that warreth entangleth affair thi life that hath chosen soldier tim entangl warn not unequ yoke togeth unbeliev obviou applic thi marriag unbeliev cover thing busi partnership and posit form close associ person person not believ truth god thi case armi principl come deut rememb that anim strength clean and unclean law idea strongli stress cor suggest you read thi yoke anoth aspect that servitud and jesu yoke you yoke christ and cannot yoke unbeliev that bondserv christ and paul becom not bondserv men cor exampl testament question ask chr shouldest thou ungodli situat good exampl happen you yoke togeth unbeliev jehoshaphat lucki escap life fact had made affin ahab had sold work wicked lord king ask ahab form militari allianc had agre and thou art peopl thy peopl king unequ yoke sttod firm refus advic fals prophet and insist hear prophet lord thing found that yoke and couldn break evil associ had made god come and separ and touch not unclean thing and will receiv you and son and daughter cor thi found into don answer question rais alastair here summari and thing christian command obedi thi command essenti factor relationship christ john total dedic thi action requir roman disobedi compromis close relationship christ and follow pet separ god rom thi involv master servant relationship rom man can serv two master matt that kosmo lust and pride quit oppos go john christ kingdom not thi world not worldli natur servant fight deliv christ master and not deliv servant kingdom not thi world servant cannot possibl fight for anoth master stranger and pilgrim right and cannot swear allegi god servant lord not war gentl tim thi not appli war avoid strife live war wage not man weapon cor god armour eph post had time into thing bit gideon king phone univers otago fax depart comput scienc mail gideon farli otago box dunedin mail prefer zealand
soc.religion.christian	maria goretti here life maria goretti post kind permiss editor australian cathol magazin morn star hope you put prevent sin maria goretti maria born octob luigi and assunta goretti eldest daughter famili cheer girl imit parent had disir receiv lord bless sacrament date final set for maria receiv lord feast corpu christi for maria time eter niti slowli near great dai final arriv jerom priest celebr mass and give children holi communion deliv sermon immens love jesu christ for and great love return for warmli urg die commit mortal sin maria humbl approach altar god and receiv holi eucharist sad thought father absenc di time for rest dai maria remain spell divin visit that thought chang holi communion end happiest dai maria life twelv month maria had chang giggl girl into quiet young ladi respons mother into field place husband maria iron cook wash and motherli duti thi not for famili for serenelli father and son live goretti own share farm maria poorer children surpass virtu thi ng holi will god month june alessandro serenelli son twice made advanc maria chanc alon occas maria manag struggl free alessandro strong grip second threaten kill even utter word mother thi dai maria live terror fear alessandro attack juli alessandro left work field handkerchief claim storeroom beneath hous maria land babi hear fumbl tool wonder learn that sharpen blade hous and call for maria told wouldn knew need storm land and drag room mar instantli realiz not touch sin you will hell thi point alessandro held knife maria chest floor will you will you not maria gather energi will not alessandro had chosen martyrdom sin god satan overcom rage alessandro plung knife into maria breast fourteen time final sens and thought maria dead frantic threw knife closet and lock room cry babi teresa land brought attent assunta and father alessandro babi unattend and danger fall ran hous find maria cover blood drag door ask happen alessandro stab want make wrong and not ambul arriv polic alessandro ambul carri maria hospit larg crowd foot doctor hospit held hope for poor maria jerom gave maria communion administ last rite and give holi viaticum ask maria forgiv murder for love jesu forgiv for dai join paradis god forgiv for alread maria di clock alessandro and found guilti maria death ag sentenc thirti year prison year violent prison and show ing regret for crime dream midst field flower maria hold bunch white lili wrote local bishop beg god par don for grave sin had commit gave testimoni maria beatif year maria canonis assunta goretti mother present daughter canonis maria goretti pure and grant strength die commit mortal sin saint maria goretti prai for brendan arthur internet simon giaeb monash edu viva cristo rei long live christ king
soc.religion.christian	mormon belief bastard enlighten mormon church view children born wedlock interest stigma attach children oppos parent keen learn not prohibit mormon faith bastard enter heaven name enter big genealog book mormon salt lake citi thi issu offici posit chang time interest learn and belief mail post fine inform pointer appreci elliott rusti harold depart mathemat elharo shiva njit edu jersei institut technolog erh tesla njit edu newark
soc.religion.christian	nation repent mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write heard radio todai christian student confer christian call repent america nation sin such sexual promiscu can repent sin can and claim repent sin not fact judg jesu equip judg activ warn not judg peopl judg not that not judg strictli speak you can repent for for guess don line talk gener repent for contribut particip sin societi for tacit approv silenc sin attitud practic that plain beg for merci hope god will withhold hand judgement countri for sake abraham sought for sake lot hmmm result pretti cautionari time observ and sin activ destruct activ strong impress that folk don christ piti crowd sheep shepherd ring true folk don clue bear respons for not commun wors express judgement and disgust do and alien posit relationship pass posit repent that score real interest question paul marxhausen univers nebraska lincoln grace happen
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu muirm argon ga organpip uug arizona edu maxwel muir write candor happi proven wrong believ atheism problem will proven wrong mention nonsens psycholog and atheism bob muir ask question sound broken you answer affirm thi answer sound intellectu dishonest bob accus that heinou crime and man think person not time accus polit correct for christian besieg group permit luxuri arrog question for bob world respect atheist want subscrib christian new group difficult time keep and subject bob remind roommat order disbeliev atheism will proven wrong don even wast time that word for respons tell will atheist prayer for good luck bob and regard randal lee nichola mandock catechist prism gatech edu
soc.religion.christian	satan kick heaven biblic eastee wkuvx bitnet write question satan taught long time ago that satan angel god and kick heaven challeng god author problem cannot find thi bibl bibl not origin wonder eddi quick answer revel and war heaven michael and angel fought dragon and angel fought back dragon not strong and lost place heaven great dragon hurl that ancient serpent call devil and satan lead world astrai hurl earth and angel earlier part chapter deal symbol satan rose battl michael and good angel place hope thi clear mike walker
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin quick remind you interpret passag your opinion you make sound your opinion undisput fact interpret passag you cite differ great theologian you mention that thing peopl had expertis interpret scriptur you read thi newsgroup that wrong and you opinion notic last word come pretti darn close sin pride futur suggest you not absolutist your interpret contradict highli respect doctor christian mike walker mdw uxa cso uiuc edu univ illinoi
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian atho rutger edu whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu bryan whitsel write think that homosexu and christian compat check roman corinthian timothi jude peter gen lev name vers that pertain homosexu homosexu christian check vers us incred pervers interpret simpli not address issu you care and spirit led exegesi gai christian suggest that you stop proof text thing you noth michael siemon you god son ml panix high you nevertheless you die men and fall ml ulyss att princ psalm
soc.religion.christian	divorc delet articl order discuss specif issu whether accept divorc articl atho rutger edu cr carson washington edu cliff slaughterbeck write marri happili wonder and support husband and gave birth two son not perfect for jane sinc never open deepest part soul husband found that closer women friend husband good and lo husband struggl thi ag decid that lesbian home announc thi understand husband told that had come understand year and wait for come that realiz time children ag and time extrem support youngest put that mean that you love peopl jane and husband agre divorc remain friend and each part extend famili thi dai interest thing that jane thi discuss homosexu not bedroom found that deep commit relationship woman man sex mind part relationship kei thing interconnect peopl made specif point that not that had never met good man sinc marri wonder man for dozen year second and honestli ponder that thought and implic thought implic and scari gener famili broken men decid that leav wive and children for thrill younger attract woman accept that legitim for jane divorc can not accept decis divorc found can deep commit relationship marriag not state mutual journei life love not passiv feel activ will accept for older execut dump wife year stai home care for children can happi sexual beauti young blond real solut for coupl make renew effort hold fast faith not lord repeatedli compar relat peopl faith and endur husband learn deep and mystic marri and remain faith time trial spous brain tumor that left partial paralyz resum grow remiss god perhap time come not sexual relat that life lord not give permiss seek satisfi idea that alright divorc coupl grow apart lead such monstrou destruct mean marriag that feel make effort avoid hint compromis becom petti and small mind that husband threaten divorc wive wive lose weight prais lord for guid marri wife marri despit possibl that terribl ill and turn that brain tumor had wouldn care and car accid tomorrow and becom paralyz neck marri coupl deal situat lord not divorc and run
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ wonder knew templ ceremoni last fifti year you made revel assimil mainstream christian etc that god maker publish quit ago ritual chang sinc interest influenc freemasonri earli mormon smith famili and nauvoo settlement info studi appreci freddi eaton llcoolj athena mit edu
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian can cite biblic refer homosexu immor leviticu vers leviticu spout rest that book christian haven stone long time max bob muir list post not long ago recal lev commonli cite passag stori sodom note that thi homosexu rape and disagr that that wrong intermedi posit thi note that sodom refer bibl for sin doesn specif for homosexu consid cesspool sin jewish attitud homosexu contribut horror action describ almost contriv combin form evil act homosexu rape guest angel thi stori not specif homosexu clear refer paul letter rom passag that presuppos that homosexu evil note that passag isn homosexu idolatri homosexu visit peopl punish result idolatri number argument thi passag not us word homosexu and refer peopl natur heterosexu practic homosexu not call explicit teach homosexu support natur assumpt that paul share gener neg jewish attitud homosexu passag occur list sin cor and tim not clear word us mean suggest that broader mean such wanton and that anoth specif male prostitut don precis teach homosexu weak support evid that paul share neg judgement homosexu jude sometim cite not relev context jude involv angel sinc almost rape sodom angel like that strang flesh refer intercours angel you can evid such that peopl conclus determin approach bibl conserv note that passag paul letter impli that accept prohibit thi for regard endors liber note that specif teach and clear definit prohibit concern rom connect homosexu pagan worship exactli word list sin mean legitim regard thi attitud paul background and not specif teach gospel thi explos topic result long dissert exact mean greek word clear that that irrelev come whether peopl bibl for law whether that such approach inconsist gospel thi appear depend reaction messag bibl percept church todai thi differ approach differ protest and cathol cent and side that bibl side that think quot passag and side will final come sens that make thing frustrat for moder realiz that such optimist outcom not like clh
soc.religion.christian	god moral and massacr listmemb andrew killi wrote respons suggest that genocid sometim will god god work that indescrib evil and unworthi worship faith nobuya higgi higashiyama repli substanc your sourc moral standard you judg god behavior argu that stand judg god action clai talk back potter find contrari view scriptur god propos destroi citi sodom genesi abraham suppos that good men citi will you destroi righteou wick you lord such thing not judg earth told that hebrew bit stronger thi and can perhap render dynam equival shame you lord you such thing that definit good god happen want that statement that god good mean simpli that god that case can love obei god good motiv left for obei that power make sens obei dictat even tell you round jew and extermin you defi you end ga chamber make sens obei god power punish you you don thi ethic theori radic contradict genesi and christian gener theori that make moral judgement worthless make discuss moral good god meaningless not follow that moral judgement infal case judgement case action like achiev good result read scriptur account action god histori action expect god love and desir for leav scriptur and natur world find that natur expect work benevol deiti origen that author natur author scriptur expect find scriptur sort difficulti that find natur that such difficulti exist not argument exist power wisdom and good god contrari absenc such argument suppos that watch bobbi fisher plai chess and suppos that time make move find nod and good move expect move made plai that sign that fisher chess player that expect that move will think suppos induc that even boi that real slip thrown game similarli god understand work univers expect that sometim will made mistak differ fisher chessboard and god control univers that can end chess game fisher win revis earlier infer that careless that made lose queen move earlier lose and can that time had opportun for checkmat two move and not that not good player had thought god hand not thi life total result action ground for judg that bad move part shakier ground for make similar judgement fisher book genesi read that joseph ten older brother good reason found insuffer conspir sell into slaveri egypt eventu viceroi and famin canaan provid for famili brother nervous apolog told not worri you meant evil god turn into good onc heard rabbi speak thi text histori jew larg histori event that catastroph that threaten continu surviv religion peopl amazingli event turn save jew and judaism sale joseph brother look breakup famili fact end reconcili quarrel famin that drove famili canaan look misfortun for fact had stai canaan almost intermarri canaanit and assimil into cultur oppress egyptian gener arriv egypt look disast god us bring egypt and into promis land peopl built templ and regularli offer sacrific babylonian captur jerusalem and judea destroi templ and citi and countrysid and deport peopl babylon you thought that that end peopl and religion not live canaan peopl had constant danger assimil and had turn worship lord worship canaanit fertil cult ritual prostitut and ritual human sacrific babylonian captiv put stop that never jew show interest polyth idolatri worship canaanit mor that babylonian had foothold that judaism had danger simpli system sacrific and templ observ prescrib act worship consist come jerusalem and offer sacrific captiv templ jew invent synagogu place meet for read and studi and discuss scriptur realiz danger forget continu live judea that god not simpli local tribal deiti not control land canaan patron jewish peopl creator world and ruler and judg human time pass and babylonian empir replac that persian and that greek macedonian ruler antiochu epiphan determin stamp judaism and thi end made read and studi torah punish death that thi end judaism not peopl met for worship and read torah portion appoint for dai read passag prophet that had similar theme and discuss that thi time torah call book mose genesi exodu leviticu number and deuteronomi book read and studi synagogu had not for antiochu book prophet forgotten altogeth hatr for judaism save exampl omit for breviti sake you rememb that juli andrew famou eliza doolittl stage product fair ladi warner brother undertook make movi expect that juli had magnific stage plai role movi studio decid establish screen star and cast audrei hepburn juli andrew natur crush realiz that had plai screen role type cast for life eliz doolittl type disast for walt disnei offer role mari poppin and won oscar for present stood smile and walt disnei and special man made thi jack warner memor line even similar spirit jew men provid god preserv judaism and aliv thi dai begin joseph brother and continu two pharaoh nebuchadnezzar antiochu epiphan formal meet had broken woman privat and you talk holocaust weren you answer that exampl that your mind you talk you not talk for not can bear assum that meant that holocaust state israel hear rabbi lectur leap conclus that god depend wicked men accomplish purpos that rabbi thought suppos that wicked fact god that stir joseph brother murder hate and that israelit egypt god harden pharaoh heart that oppress peopl and not and thi rais question action can consid wick and time consid that god brought suggest anoth sculptor log wood propos carv statu log smooth even grain larg knot that spoil appear surfac sculptor consid wood for and carv statu that featur knot that make that interrupt grain and color wood correspond featur statu that observ will fortun sculptor find piec wood knot that place presenc crown touch thing that make statu great work art realiti knot sculptor for challeng skill wood had not contain that flaw made great work art joseph brother had not sold god brought purpos for jewish peopl anoth manner juda had not betrai jesu caiapha and fellow leader had not reject jesu had acknowledg annoint god pilat had conscienc fear and had set jesu free that crucifixion and redempt and salvat not god not juda sin redeem juda had god christ reconcil world not not michelangelo paint sistin chapel interior had shape grand central station and not bobbi fisher won fourth game agianst spasski spasski had refus exchang bishop and had attack fisher knight don bother game question make thi exampl point valid that god us cowardic pilat accomplish purpos and that cowardic not god and that pilat not thwart god plan behav justli and courag make place god mose will harden pharaoh heart that will not peopl christian thi mean that pharaoh puppet god pull string and that stubborn and cruelti not work work god suppos that god tell mose thi you that pharaoh not will peopl not discourag suppos that situat control purpos will not thwart pharaoh choos hear you and peopl and good not will fit resist into plan and fit perfectli that futur historian and theologian will suppos that thrown for loss pharaoh had obei return question that start thi that serb slaughter moslem bosnia instrument god will point wrong joseph brother wrong juda wrong intend for evil god bring good that not make subject condemn and punish second point god will bring good not good that brought serbian had refrain sin robberi and rape and murder good purpos excus duti jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	question agnost damon matter system explan creation you accept you start two premis creation noth creation altern and accept two premis two altern creation random plan random unabl accept that complex natur world interrel interdepend organ and creatur exist left creation control intellig capabl devis such scheme call that intellig god prefer creatio nihilo chao cleaner prove and come choos explan you feel comfort damon you live your choic shalom len howard
soc.religion.christian	christian and repeat live articl atho rutger edu danc procom daniel cossack write jek nih gov write apostl paul roman point that god chose jacob esau admit possibl that had live previou live and that accord asiat idea karma and roman written jacob love esau hate god love and hate past tens that not born good evil woah context god call special peopl jew carri promis read mean liter peopl miss paul entir point glad send detail explan thi passag interest ted kalivoda tedr athena uga edu univers georgia athen institut higher
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach dave davi write state point provoc studi bibl lean heavili assert that sirach wisdom ben sira ecclesiasticu directli referenc jame fact sirach directli referenc jame job ruth referenc vers good point testament not quot ezra nehemiah esther ruth job ecclesiast song song not quot deuterocanon quotat not disqualifi quotat and wisodm solomon quit influenc paul letter roman roman and wisdom stuff delet agre that principl that cannot consist appli not principl exclud not accord author scriptur requir reason reason tradit fav episcop tradit equivoc thi subject sirach vaticanu sinaiticu don list muratorian canon oldest list sirach and discuss father scriptur not unanim true not accept scriptur niether book testament accept put lie argument book exclud debat and not univers accept hebrew apocalyps peter esther and debat time eventu retain for codex you mention vaticanu and sinaitcu includ deuterocanon both and testament and vaticanu inlcud clement shepard herma and epistl baranaba for muratorian canon deal testament valuabl wit book interim conclus that protest exclus write tradit men hear exclud reform and that appear reason peopl continu exclud taker can reason fail show wrong you not wrong tradit men exlcud will explain below that noth read church nmae divin scriptur canon scriptur and canonci scriptur genesi exodu leviticu number deuteronomi joshua judg ruth book kingdom samuel and king two book paralpomenon chronicl job psalter david book solomon proverb ecclesiast song song wisdom solomon and misatribut wisdom jesu son sirach book twelv minor prophet isaiah jeremiah jeremiah lament baruch and letter count ezekiel daniel tobit judith esther two book ezra ezra and nehemiah two book maccabe and testament book gospel book act apostl thirteen letter paul apostl letter hebrew two peter apostl john apostl jude apostl jame book apocalyps john council hippo statut thi list promulg council carthag and sixth council carthag council list enumer word reciev father that book read church quiet assert name holi scriptur understand book author never doubt church episcop church remov deuterocanon realm scriptur episcopalian hold high regard and read church not count scriptur and not us prove dogma lutheran hold similarli earlier mention call apocrypha divin scriptur can found and below inlcud portion quot call divin scriptur that found write father and thi reason law testament reckon consist twenti two book that correspond number letter hebrew alphabet note that ad tobia and judith twenti book number letter us greek hillari poitier commentari psalm prologu twenti two book hebrew jeremiah lament and letter reckon and maccabe origen commentari psalm psalm divin scriptur address love and boast excel baruch follow clement alexandria instuctor children learn accur book testament proverb solomon and wisdom melito sard fragment found eusebiu histori church and date crica book likewis decre treat divin scriptur univers cathol church accept and shun list testament wisdom book ecclesiasticu book tobit book judith book maccabe two book damasu pope decre damsu section thi can shown that church accept deutero canon part disput person for disput involv testament deutero canon not disqulaifi book hebrew jame peter john jude revel protest ey disqulaifi testament book and point that jew drew canon year found christian religion cross adher canon that drawn faithless reaction chrsitian us greek septuagint includ deutero canon earli justin had accus jew mutil canon scriptur remov book protest appar prefer that god revel limit decre jew order jew faithless canon and that not us peopl apostl draw canon apostl user septuagint testament quot us word septuagint and not hebrew and septuagint includ deuterocanon
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach wagner grace math edu david wagner write deutero canon book ad church histori not spiritu qualiti rest scriptur not church that ad book guid spirit and that thi sort discuss ultim end david wagner confession lutheran god whoah whoah whoah whoah that last paragraph kill deuterocanon accept inspir scriptur cathol church exist longer protest church martin luther began hack bibl and decid remov book not fact that cathol church decid add that reason for differ cathol and protest bibl for tone that comment irk mike walker mdw uxa cso uiuc edu univ illinoi
soc.religion.christian	christian fight justifi war articl gideon otago gideon king write post thi coupl week ago and doesn appear newsgroup and haven had repli moder intermitt problem mail time excus you thi christian fight last week alastair post question fight and whether such thing justifi war start into thing and jot find haven answer question and slightli tack possibl into deepli and post info suggest book ethic norm geisler dalla theolog seminari argument pro and con and and come reason answer time and interest post posit jon nore charter member infj club you dy infj mean brave mail send info jon nore nore netcom jkn intern fred gourmet chocol carlton place phone chip world livermor mail you read alt psycholog person that action
soc.religion.christian	valid peir yuan yeh ask not exactli jewish histori part torah book torah and jewish histori record testament and shown archaeolog king reviv templ and torah book mose come prophet prophet joshua judg samuel king and write psalm proverb lament ruth esther ezra nehemiah ecclesi song song chronicl job and verac isaiah you quot your moslem friend quit complet manuscript exist that date back past and museum israel found dead sea scroll greatli enhanc knowledg verac testament date back time christ oldest complet manuscript hebrew your moslem friend sore mistaken understand jesu crucifi and aton for sin god for death god aton for sin human and isaiah predict messiah will call mighti god and god rose for paul wrote not that death hold and jesu rose dead your moslem friend reason moslem deni authent testament andi byler
soc.religion.christian	revel babylon rex rexlex fnal fnal gov write interest note that occas jubile pope leo had medallion cast imag side and side church rome symbol woman hold left hand cross and cup legend sedet super universum world seat you read into medal worth woman church cathol call church holi mother church and mother exampl cyprian carthag wrote can god for father not church for mother imag church woman hold cross and cup crucifxit lord and power blood grail legend significantli show that thi cup coven blood shed for you and for luke cup repres coven and hold blood redempt fact that woman hold and world for seat that cathol church cathol that univers and found world and church show crucifixt and appli blood redempt mankind thi spread thorugh holi sacrafic mass can and celebr nation malachi predict malachi rise sun set name great gentil and sacrafic and offer name clean oblat for name great gentil lord host and acknowledg paul wrote for you eat thi bread and drink thi cup you show lord death come corinthian you quit identif babylon great mother harlot rome simpli disagre time period rome apostl john talk andi byler
soc.religion.christian	revel babylon hal heydt write that fall western empir eastern empir continu for anoth year and kei element fall christian sack constantinopl note that fall rome not empir roman empir last transfer capit constantinopl main reason for fall not sack constantinopl men crusad not christian had excommun last man attack christian citi zara croatia disastor defeat battl mazinkert turk breach frontier matter time empir fell inabl empir hold rim anatolia ottoman and rum seljuk middl quit obviou student histori sack constantinopl hasten inevit for greek had want save empir not cooper crusad battl saracen crusad obstinaci cooper peopl consid heret even heret fight for empir and christendom battl turkish hord anatolia edessa lebanon palastin and syria hord sack constantinopl and overrun europ balkan hungari ukrain caucasu etc andi byler
soc.religion.christian	translat articl atho rutger edu virginia edu andi beyer write version bibl you accur translat know greek and hebrew not picki translat english translat sourc inform vers that come substanti tran lation almost unclear origin bad practic shop for translat that fit your doctrin posit person rsv nrsv and nasv good strong prefer for edit that not indent begin each vers vers paragraph vers number rel modern addit and not undu promin michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin haven sin and come short glori god roman that cite thi scriptur claim that even babe requir baptism neglect that sin not imput law roman capabl comprehend god law not account for live book life and not remov can make consciou decis disobei god idler babi not suppos baptis doesn bibl never come and peopl that wrong taught can baptis christ solemli assur you can enter god kingdom born water and spirit not surpris that you you begotten thi born origin sin mike
soc.religion.christian	monophysit and mike walker nabil ayoub write final note orient orthodox and eastren orthodox sign common statement christolog heresei monophysit condemn coptic orthodox church not monophysit coptic church will and energi christ two human and divin will and energi object copt pope rome coptic cathol church you reject suprem jurisdict sucessor peter bless john mark bishop alexandria translat for and predecessor infal thing perhap andi byler
soc.religion.christian	serbian genocid work god vera shanti noy write thi that you predestin correct not predestin choos whether not will accept god gift salvat fundament differ can resolv predestin biblic doctrin roman show passag church taught predestin begin that predestin not mean not free will men freeli choos life affect grace god unlik calvinist and jansenist hold that grace resist you end idioci deni univers save will god timothi for god give grace save elect foreknew predestin and receiv grace final perserver guarante heaven thi not mean that that grace can save mean that god foreknew obstinaci and chose not give know not had freeli chosen hell peopl save save grace god and not effort for god dispos and predestin becom saint perish everlast fire perish harden heart and chose perish deserv god punish had reject creator and sin work holi spirit god judg will mete that punish last judgement hold that god bless for good even for can bless life bless thi and will not punish life will chastis thi purgatori for sin sin incur tempor punish god will punish satisfact made for samuel david sin adulteri and murder forgiven punish death child and not point idea punish god judgement quit prevel bibl sodom and gommorrah mose bar holi land slaughter cannanit annia and saphira jerusalem etc jesu stop stone adulter woman perhap thi not good parallel not stop murder and violat peopl not innoc stop slaughter innoc proverb that mean that christian support war bosnia even involv not isolationist and disagre foreign adventur gener case bosnia frankli excus for get militarili involv not war bless peacemak lord not interventionist action bosnia for peac and not for war unrel justifi for andi byler
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin eugen bigelow write doesn bibl that god fair god sic thi true can thi possibl fair infant you mean fair god give deserv infant sin time concept roman psalm cannot possibl merit heaven and purgatori for purg tempor punish and venial sin imposs that origianl sin can forgiven unbapt infant cut god human race mari sin jesu you can enter kingdom god born water and spirit true mean born john infant sin fair for cut god and exlcud heaven augustin not invent origin sin cathol faith hold ancient time you deni doubt follow heresi nuptii lib andi byler
soc.religion.christian	obviou isn polit correct last state church massachusett sam adam patriot brewmast tenur governor revolutionari war pass elimin dan
talk.politics.guns	gun control mad hell new hambidg bm wrote articl psog magpi linknet mane magpi linknet steve mane write rate per capita rate danger you like kill handgun averag individu citizen twice like kill mean averag swiss you feel kill mean handgun wouldn absurd argument switzerland size eigth peopl point swiss soil you like crow bait importantli you like kill stranger approach you swiss street you betrai your lack understand rate versu total number rate express popul place had death and popul rate place that had death and popul hav rate higher rate higher total you like die simpl enuff for chrissak your calcul and work number preformat for you make easier handgun homicid popul switzerland and switzerland safer liber handgun law rate total number your choic stephen mane mane magpi linknet mane and associ york usa
talk.politics.guns	gun control mad hell new jim arra jmd cube handheld wrote last year suffer almost wrong accident death handgun alon fbi statist year suffer such death scotland yard statist popul that weight for popul handgun relat death and brit don make for thi murder peopl basebal bat you can compar thi homicid shown per capita not handgun avail usa make prefer murder weapon ban and weapon will step favorit favorit lethal not like studi violenc chicago produc thi tabl percentag report gun and knife attack result death weapon death percentag attack knive total attack gun total attack sourc firearm and violenc american life contend that gun murder depriv gun that find kill knive thi knife attack citi gun wide us homicid expect show low fatal rate and knife attack citi gun not wide us vancouv show higher fatal rate nat commiss and prevent violenc task forc analyz data and found thi not case appear that number knife attack increas relat number firearm attack happen gun assail proport fatal knife attack not increas rel proport gun attack fact revers true found that homicid not show determin part assail kill fatal caus knife tend show singl minded part assail grave physic injuri multipl stab wound wound concentr head neck and chest etc gun homicid not show thi pattern fatal attack commit moment rage and not focus intent kill victim sourc report firearm and violenc sinc england usa ancestor left oppress you compar england strict gun law england strict gun law draw mean england essenti legal drug drug gang battl for turf etc you drop drug relat kill usa lot peac lot factor make differ not fond make kind social parallel european and american cultur beahvior and econom differ similar sort found back into that corner last coupl week don attain low level european violent crime whether ban gun requir law abid citizen carri load uzi hand can draw lesson neighbor cultur similar canadian fact exhaust year studi respect crime rate vancouv british columbia and seattl washington citi roughli popul urban economi geographi and crime decidedli approach gun control seattl handgun purchas legal for defens dai wait period permit can obtain carri conceal weapon recreat us handgun minim restrict vancouv defens not consid valid legal reason purchas handgun conceal weapon not permit recreat handgun target shoot collect regul provinc purchas handgun requir restrict weapon permit permit carri obtain order transport weapon licens shoot club handgun transport vehicl store trunk lock box short gun control not unreason citi aggress enforc gun law convict for gun relat offens carri similar penalti research studi case robberi assault simpl and aggrav burglari and homicid occur seattl and vancouv defin case us standard fbi unifi crime report result year studi annual rate robberi seattl found slightli higher that vancouv burglari occur ident rate assault record seattl versu vancouv risk victim simpl assault seattl found slightli higher vancouv and risk aggrav assault slightli higher aggrav assault subdivid weapon and mechan assault clear pattern emerg citi report ident rate aggrav assault involv knive and danger weapon firearm like us seattl fact time year studi homicid occur seattl per homicid vancouv per adjust for differ ag and sex popul rel risk victim homicid seattl compar vancouv found homicid subdivid mechan death rate homicid knive and weapon exclud firearm seattl found almost ident that vancouv virtual increas risk death seattl due fivefold higher rate homicid firearm handgun account for roughli homicid involv firearm handgun time like us homicid seattl vancouv author report investig legal justifi homicid defens such homicid occur year studi commit polic case civilian act defens occurr seattl and vancouv involv firearm exclud case virtual impact earlier find thi feel fair report even make argument that bias canada vancouv report annual rate homicid two time that ottawa calgari and toronto seattl report annual homicid rate half two third that nyc chicago lo angel and houston critic handgun control argu that limit legal access handgun will effect rate homicid person intent kill will harder acquir gun will kill mean thi report show differ rate homicid commun influenc strength intent avail weapon expect rate homicid weapon gun higher vancouv seattl studi interv vancouv rate homicid weapon gun not significantli higher that seattl suggest that assail switch homicid method readi access handgun for defens law abid citizen not endors thi report seattl experi higher rate firearm death for defens case account for homicid citi studi period and report seattl appar didn enjoi relief crime categori vancouv citizen legal arm for defens heavili quot sourc handgun regul crime assault and homicid tale two citi john sloan arthur kellerman donald reai jame ferri thoma koepsal frederick rivara charl rice laurel grai and jame logerfo stephen mane mane magpi linknet mane and associ york usa
talk.politics.guns	gun control mad hell new steve kao hprnd rose wrote frank crari post differ per capita crime rate predat gun control law homicid rate england tenth that america back england bui gun paperwork steve mane ask citat for thi colin greenwood scotland yard studi that show that gun control had effect crime murder rate book firearm control publish london keegan paul name misspel disput that richard hofstadt america gun cultur and newton and zimr firearm and violenc american life statist dissimilar cultur difficult quantifi don can state that gun control effect homicid rate accident handgun homicid america licens weapon american children accident shot children last year handgun homicid great britain sourc nation safeti council dictionari argument rate total number offer for emphasi not comparison greenwood believ that brit sober and coordin make such mistak introduc friend amanda brighton us pretti nice crystal place move us snide comment guest clown motif rubber wine glass stephen mane mane magpi linknet mane and associ york usa
talk.politics.guns	vancouv seattl studi critiqu open letter paul blackman research coordin for nra ila nra offici journal dear sir us england journal medicin public small scale studi relat firearm conclus drawn quantum leap data announc momentu scientif find regularli releas press caveat riddl conclusori paragraph and accompani editori call attent find gener present interest data meaningless studi misinterpret statist and ignor belittl studi criminologist latest effort handgun regul crime assault and homicid tale two citi sloan accompani editori firearm injuri call for scienc two employe center for diseas control novemb insult intellig scholar field and data and flaw that feel compel write length call attent major and minor fail order author misleadingli cite wright ref support statement that argu that restrict access handgun substanti reduc annual rate homicid wright fact studi and reject that content author pretend that vancouv and seattl similar citi similar econom circumst histori demograph characterist and fact citi demograph characterist explain complet higher homicid rate seattl citi forth hispan white and hispan white homicid rate report seattl and vancouv back ground problem circumst and behavior ethnic minor explain differ homicid author pretend evalu canada gun law compar washington state not examin situat vancouv prior gun law take effect happen year prior that vancouv averag homicid per year eighth involv handgun ref and year nejm articl homicid per year eigth involv handgun sure even medic profess recogn that prior situat conclud that chang made differ physician conclud that patient benefit eat oat bran muffin each dai for year cholesterol level start regimen author pick two medium size citi evalu nation gun law noth can learn such tini and arbitrarili select sampl seattl appear select convieni for author for scientif reason physician call scientif studi involv experiment subject and dissimilar control had arbitrarili select citi chosen opposit scientif conclus follow vancouv homicid rate exce that such wild west citi texa paso corpu christi austen and colorado colorado spring ref author fail demonstr that firearm handgun commonli own seattl vancouv us two surrog approach pretend studi avail firearm handgun appl and orang effort compar number carri permit seattl number regist handgun vancouv number underst number handgun seattl and count primarili protect handgun owner second tell noth number handgun vancouv and count protect handgun for part difficult obtain handgun legal for protect registr figur meaningless regist handgun york citi york daili new sept compar two that method suggest handgun per popul york citi compar vancouv mean vancouv greater preval weapon york citi second method measur gun densiti cook gun preval index previous valid measur interc differ valid cook theori ref second opinion sought doctor significantli cook index base averag percentag firearm involv suicid and homicid author basic take measur misus unsurprisingli gun misus homicid seattl vancouv relat gun misus homicid suicid divid two seattl vancouv author not measur rel avail abil firearm handgun seattl and vancouv author misstat law washington and canada neglect mention signific fact that washington wait period and background check prior purchas handgun and that provis exist canadian law for own and carri handgun for person protect author make that difficult handgun legal canada case author ignor factor explain differ crime rate vagu mention penal provid law and roughest estim clearenc for offens homicid involv firearm measur differ number law enforc offic aggress make arrest for gun law violat two jurisdict arrest rate for offens convict rate actual sentenc impos for gun relat crime violent crime gun gun law violat incarcer rate social scientist attempt measur and hold for such differ author nejm tale two citi fail even mention factor relat crime control author dismiss claim that handgun effect mean for protect crimin kill such not case criminologist ref found that almost american annual us handgun for protect crimin and that gun for protect reduc liklihood that crime rape robberi assault will complet crimin and reduc likelihood injuri victim interest nonetheless that author report number civilian justifi homicid firearm each citi that restrict seattl account for report civilian justifi homicid involv firearm center for diseas control fund studi editori prais paper ref appli scientif method examin focu content betweeb advoc stricter regul firearm handgun noth paper possibl mistaken for scientif method sociologist criminologist vancouv seattl studi equivol test experiment drug control hypertens find two ordinari middl class white male ag and and take vital sign administ experiment drug year give year placebo take blood pressur and find younger man had lower blood pressur announc special articl medic breakthrough nice that such studi fund cdc print nejm sinc longstand anti gun bias nejm and cdc make will present shoddi research scientif breakthrough special articl and editori relat firearm oblig correct record notifi new media and congression and execut oversight activ center for diseas control distort contain handgun regul crime assault and homicid tale two citi and firearm injuri call for scienc scientif standard waysid whenev cdc and england journal medicin seiz opportun attack firearm ownership america refer wright weapon crime and violenc america literatur review and research agenda washington depart justic scarff evalu canadian gun control legisl final report ottawa ministri solicitor gener canada depart justic feder bureau investig crime unit state uniform crime report washington govern print offic cook role firearm violent crime wolfgang weiner ed crimin violenc beverli hill calif sage kleck crime control privat us arm forc social problem ziegenhagen brosnan victim respons robberi and crime control polici criminolog lizott determin complet rape and assault journal quantit criminolog sayl kleck rape and resist paper american societi criminolog convent chicago merci houk firearm injuri call for scienc nejm gun and sputter jame wright juli issu reason free mind free market onc wrote statist bikini real suggest conceal vital problem demonstr recent entri long line scientif research purport show causal link gun avail and homicid fund feder govern and publish last year england journal medicin studi compar homicid rate seattl and vancouv and suggest that handgun ban reduc rate homicid commun medic doctor publish handgun regul crime assault and homicid essenti reason step despit histor social and demograph similar vancouv markedli lower homicid rate stricter gun regul make gun second step reason indisput homicid rate seattl for period per popuat compar vancouv homicid common seattl question becom author present believ not accur case support notion claim step reason that vancouv handgun regul stringent evid differ gun availabilti indirect and unpersuas acknowledg that direct evid point not exist offer two fragment inferenti data support claim that gun seattl for matter empir fact opposit true ask conclus studi that differ gun avail explain differ homicid rate differ gun avail not establish situat even troublesom two indirect bit evid differ number conceal weapon permit issu seattl and number restrict weapon permit issu vancouv differ two citi permit regul render two number strictli noncompar second bit evid cook gun preval index stand percent for seattl percent for vancouv cook index not measur rel preval gun ownership citi measur gun misus averag percentag homicid and suicid involv firearm present case index show that homicid and suicid firearm like us seatt vancouv cook index measur gener firearm avail assum that proport involv gun homicid and suicid directli relat rel avail gener popul thi exactli author seek prove assum seek prove prove basi that assumpt constitut scientif evid for even grant basi compel evid that gun common vancouv question author attribut seattl higher crime rate higher rate gun ownership argu that low crime homicid rate reduc motiv for averag citizen obtain gun word that crime rate explain variat gun ownership not vice versa fact onc commonli argu that great britain low rate violent crime function that nation strict gun law and consequ low rate gun ownership british research colin greenwood found that great britain had enjoi low rate violent crime for decad strict firearm control enact invok ancient methodolog correl not problem thi studi end lack direct data gun ownership author seattl and vancouv similar wai impli that differ gun avail gun law stringenc and crime rate thi evid attempt establish ceteri paribu condit sound scientif analysi that equal thing compar two citi similar wai closer reveal differ wai that relev respect crime homicid rate citi close match percentag popul white percent and percent seattl percent black vancouv percent vancouv minor popul overwhelmingli asian author show that two citi approxim compar half dozen readili demograph indic not shown that potenti relev sourc variat rule fact differ racial composit two citi relev light studi breakdown homicid rate race victim for white major homicid rate ident per seattl vancouv differ homicid rate two citi due vastli rate racial minor for black observ differ homicid rate and for hispan methodolig complex render asian comparison problemat higher seattl vancouv racial minor like victim homicid seattl vancouv white major equal like slain citi sinc initi differ homicid reat citi due exclus differ minor group fair postul differ gun avail gun law strigenc matter dramat minor not matter white can differenti gun avail explain black and hispan not white like kill seattl vancouv studi unit state incident not show larg consist racial differ gun ownership explan plausibl dispar canadian and american rate poverti racial minor rel rate drug alcohol abus homeless each cty minor popul citi seattl run largest shelter for homeless men west mississippi unemploy young central citi nonwhit men unit state exce percent compar canadian percentag crucial point that canada and unit state differ wai citi and popul subgroup two countri absent detail analysi wai explain part differ homicid rate gross comparison such seattl and vancouv not equal author thi studi acknowledg that racial pattern homicid result complex pictur not acknowledg that ensu complex undercut main thrust argument acknowledg that socio econom statu import confound factor comparison remark that black vancouv had slightli higher mean incom rest vancouv popul evid present articl that differ homicid rate seattl and vancouv result greater proverti seattl racial minor author pai attent thi possibl sinc detail inform household incom race not for vancouv larg insurmount methodolog difficulti confront gross compar studi thi sort can illustr simpl exampl couti and compar term perval gun ownership and crime homicid rate find astonish pattern counti gun crime conclud thi evid alon that gun reduc crime insist that variabl into account thi exampl hidden variabl citi size gun common small town and rural area crime big citi problem research fail anticip thi variabl lack data examin consequ coud misl studi hand author match two citi for size not for minor poverti rate hidden variabl and result imposs interpret editori firearm injuri call for scienc accompani studi two offici center for diseas control laud author for appli scientif method problem grave public heath signific attempt draw causal conclus nonexperiment research essenc scientif method anticip plausibl altern explan for result and rule absent such effort result scientif polem masquerad research that thi studi number recent effort emploi practic ident research design and publish lead scientif journal for concern jame wright professor sociolog tulan univers research extens relationship firearm and crime reason publish monthli combin august septemb issu reason foundat nonprofit tax exempt organ subscript rate per year reason foundat ocean park blvd suit santa monica
talk.politics.guns	waco date coincident atf agent interview street stori report that raid ill plan and ahead even knew atf come thi raid ill plan had dai plan and continu failur obviou had bit part larger polit agenda presid clinton even suggest that loss atf agent inconsequenti thi context polit agenda even benefici agenda help point evil assualt weapon proof that atf deni agent street stori report request for suffici fire power import date feb assembl vote overturn assault weapon ban feb compound waco attack feb jersei assembl vote overturn assault weapon ban that state look tight vote senat vote overturn ban not sit eastern state overturn assault weapon ban clinton state agenda gun control suspect clinton gave order group assualt weapon and press present initi incid waco record event for audienc agent street stori report that supervisor urg readi fast come thi attack continu even tho probablil failur high top assembl vote atf had limit amount time come and wacko waco fit bill nice rich
talk.politics.guns	gov break in minut cleveland freenet edu pat weber write notic that peopl case describ clever handl such eccentr religi wacko gun nut cultist survivalist etc gener public will not identifi san jose mercuri new describ year retir chemic engin john nagl
talk.politics.guns	gun control mad hell new mane magpi linknet steve mane write hambidg bm wrote articl psog magpi linknet mane magpi linknet steve mane write rate per capita rate danger you like kill handgun averag individu citizen twice like kill mean averag swiss you feel kill mean handgun wouldn absurd argument switzerland size eigth peopl point swiss soil you like crow bait importantli you like kill stranger approach you swiss street kill handgun kill dead don care shot stab death you betrai your lack understand rate versu total number rate express popul place had death and popul rate place that had death and popul hav rate higher rate higher total you like die simpl enuff for chrissak your calcul and work number preformat for you make easier handgun homicid popul switzerland and switzerland safer liber handgun law rate total number your choic stephen mane mane magpi linknet mane and associ york usa don you can accur indic safe england compar switzerland concentr handgun murder and complet ignor murder weapon not mention rate violent crime gun circul follow that peopl will kill person intent commit crime whether gun knife bare hand gun control lobbi doesn understand thi point peopl intent commit crime will mean aaron arc cco caltech edu
talk.politics.guns	waco militia assembl dumb move smart move sneak camera and video transmitt john nagl
talk.politics.guns	gun nut and holli silva articl tsd new cso uiuc edu irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin write articl apr mnemosyn edu rcander nyx edu nice gui write gun nut and gai aggress defens and quit hostil depriv right group protect right fallaci thi thing that your right not jeapardi post can you that presum that you mean that talk restrict right not restrict right argu for restrict lead implement assault can lead batteri legal definit peopl and homosexu group won even discuss subject polit form mere rais question right exactli encompass bring shrill post and angri hostil traffic can speak for homosexu alot polit discuss don thi gui word mine for that matter read for and determin direct flameag origin you post flamebait you will gener receiv reason respons true tend lose temper quickli newsgroup feel right jeopardi and neat trick talk deris anoth newsgroup not crosspost defend lot peopl thin skin come discuss subject methink you doth protest dave schabel dave schabel opinion and comment contain mine and schabel calspan not necessarilli reflect calspan corp locat western custom
talk.politics.guns	aclu waco shootout jmd cube handheld jim arra write articl mar new indiana edu paul hager hagerp indiana edu write post mine collect post aclu posit gun control note that posit evolv not answer question nuclear devic second amend not prohibit can argu that you can oper sever impact safeti and right and not permit that basi exist weapon and and thi true for biolog and chemic weapon for slightli reason pose threat live critter can you neutron and radiat flux due radioact decai boi and girl aaron arc cco caltech edu
talk.politics.guns	import holli silva inform articl pkojminnmuq cae cad gatech edu vincent cad gatech edu vincent fox write separ post soc cultur usa explicitli that cross post and set follow up not read talk polit gun you clever keep polit respond will edit newsgoup line properli us follow heard make easier for claim see squeaki weasel you want your insit analysi mail you want point flaw public make your newsgroup line includ soc cultur usa flood mail agre that quit sneaki trick expect cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	atf suspect drug lab compound articl mar mnemosyn edu rcander nyx edu nice gui write associ press new stori report develop saturdai david troi intellig chief for atf confirm report that author suspect cult had methamphetamin lab evid drug activ surfac late atf investig cult gun deal wow scope mission atf continu expand alcohol tobacco and firearm invold child protect servic drug enforc and tax evas road nation boi blue knock hand zeik heil lanc lanc bledso lwb utexa edu truth and truth make you free
talk.politics.guns	threaten gun owner articl blue ci pitt edu gswst cislab pitt edu gari wach write write stori futur gun control point your opinion wonder resourc thi newsgroup advantag and you advanc for your feedback you threat gun owner futur govern liber batf fbi dea etc you concern that ammend reinterpret appli arm forc bar civilian own arm kind contribut tax abort elimin fetal tissu clinton presid faggot spous happen you control type arm peopl allow bui type you feel compel restrict militari bazooka grenad atom bomb etc hydrogen bomb perhap you describ hci and gun control activist determin make illeg for civilian us firearm yep you person read bradi bill entireti yep gari lanc bledso lwb utexa edu truth and truth make you free
talk.politics.guns	waco shootout highlight total irrespons previou articl irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin come gui time move that juvenil public post mail newsgroup alt sex bondag holli silva brent that alt sex bondag holli silva goofi anti semit you smarter you opinion
talk.politics.guns	senat bob krueger rtkba statement for you interest finish talk repres senat bob krueger reelect campaign posit rtkba krueger appoint democrat governor texa complet lloyd bentsen unexpir term repres that senat krueger not posit and comment specif legisl that pend comment version bradi bill warn and vote accordingli
talk.politics.guns	gov florio wilder hit airwav support bradi bill articl apr node hub org ndallen node hub org nigel allen write press releas handgun control inc iron that jim and observ thi march countri that find america level gun violenc not unaccept unbeliev mr bradi chair handgun control inc and stai cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	gun control articl apr new duc auburn edu bixledn eng auburn edu write articl cbnew att lvc cbnew att larri cipriani write you haven read close you answer your civil right restor that can fed state fed stop thi for convict violent feloni dozen state restor felon civil right immedi releas wait period will post list state quick question larri person civil right restor consid felon good question don law consid imo right restor make sens that record feloni and purg and person question longer felon thi happen state larri cipriani cipriani att
talk.politics.guns	lavishli fund gun epidem propaganda campaign commenc articl txek fcq magpi linknet mane magpi linknet steve mane write morri cat rat cbnewsc att wrote neal knox firearm coalit point full forc anti gun rule class multi million poll organ school new media entertain media entertain media forc anti gun rule class thi media that made billion produc film and televis that glorifi gun and gun user that anoth anti gun media you kid thi you mean that you absolut imposs for media guilti hypocrisi note that film industri california trade polit support for assault weapon ban state for amend bill exempt entertain industri that ban note that issu batman comic book seduct gun that produc tool for gun control organ carri back page for termin video game extol numer and vari sophist weapon player note that arthur och sulzberg publish time oldest and incess gun control grinder carri conceal handgun you find complet incred that folk live aphor and not cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	gov florio wilder hit airwav support bradi bill articl apr ucsu colorado edu fcrari ucsu colorado edu frank crari write articl apr msc cornel edu srussel msc cornel edu stephen russel write obgun move arizona carri gun don approxim probabl that shot end six month assum fbi statist meaningful you crimin hang crimin flash larg wad cash wilder part town utter verbal bigotri public place your chanc shot higher avoid behavior hand decreas your chanc shot murder crimin kill crimin murder commit peopl prior histori violenc simplist moral suitabl for year and inan poster bad peopl bad thing repeatedli kirk hai nra life seventh gener thing for triumph evil for good men noth edmund burk
talk.politics.guns	waco date coincident richard cower cower csli stanford edu wrote thi raid ill plan had dai plan and continu failur obviou had bit part larger polit agenda presid clinton even suggest that loss atf agent inconsequenti thi context polit agenda even benefici agenda help point evil assualt weapon proof that atf deni agent street stori report request for suffici fire power import date feb assembl vote overturn assault weapon ban feb compound waco attack feb jersei assembl vote overturn assault weapon ban that state look tight vote senat vote overturn ban not sit eastern state overturn assault weapon ban clinton state agenda gun control suspect clinton gave order group assualt weapon and press present initi incid waco record event for audienc agent street stori report that supervisor urg readi fast come thi attack continu even tho probablil failur high top assembl vote atf had limit amount time come and wacko waco fit bill nice rich don rich last year congress debat bushman crime bill incid lubi cafe occur anti gun crap amend bill presid order find assault weapon and bring media hope not frankli toon meister scare democrat major congress doesn apolog demo support rkba definit toon meister characatur name for current presid clinton aka clintoon aka toon meister rob
talk.politics.guns	nra fuck bigtim articl apr cbnews att doctor cbnews att patrick hailei write articl slagl mar sgi msd lmsc lockhe slagl lmsc lockhe write articl twyl dixi jgd dixi john armond write lot familiar libber care bit hesit continu thi thread bring back horribl memori encount libber larouch branch made mistak bui connect lyndon larouch and libertarian parti pure product your fertil imagin naw perhap read time magazin fair stretch imagin expect attach credibl written time magazin past twenti year imagin enquir get name attach bodi part mark mark slagl box slagl lmsc lockhe sunnyval usa
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talk.politics.guns	gun control mad hell new articl eqw magpi linknet mane magpi linknet steve mane write hand can draw lesson neighbor cultur similar canadian don such canada cultur similar unit state england term law individu right restrict polic search etc close relat crime canadian law parallel england and differ greatli unit state fact exhaust year studi respect crime rate vancouv british columbia and seattl washington citi roughli popul urban economi geographi and crime decidedli approach gun control not roughli urban economi and extrem ethnic composit year studi homicid occur seattl per homicid vancouv per adjust for differ ag and sex popul rel risk victim homicid seattl compar vancouv found you account for econom and ethnic differ differ disappear complet seattl minor predominatli poor vancouv middl upper class rate for white citi found identicl rate for poor seattl minor almost time great for minor vancouv pattern poverti and race relat not gun control author report investig legal justifi homicid defens such homicid occur year studi commit polic case civilian act defens occurr that gross distort defens not mean kill attack case civilian kill attack defenc such case repres that crime prevent arm defenc for case you cite case defenc crime prevent attack not kill conserv figur base nation crime survei estim crime prevent arm defenc each year studi subject put figur figur impli sucess defenc involv kill attack correctli possibl case civilian act defenc result death attack thi signific factor comparison homicid memori serv homicid make approxim violent crime studi consid fair comparison homicid prevent and homicid studi can not close accur sinc case defenc frank crari boulder
talk.politics.guns	bill blame america clinton strike jeddi wam umd edu anheus busch write thi argument sound stupid abil make gun simpl metalwork easi drug dealer make wouldn spend hundr dollar bui gun that made cheap and sell you exorbit markup simpl truth matter that easi make gun ban gun will reduc number gun and seriuosli imped effort killer intent bui weapon show tool argument silliest analog comput scienc almost comput scienc major can write wordprocessor comp sci major willingli pai buck for profession softwar wordperfect don write softwar highli inconvini gun secondli thi gunpowd for home made gun quick trip local eleven gun that simpl make bosnian muslim happi peopl case that metalwork tool ban bosnia deep sarcasm thi two cent will resum read ridiculu post peopl make live stand comedi end forward materi and rubber spheroid arc beneath brilliant light head for hoop dream dreamt night crowd gasp ball descend grant fondest doubt casei mind knew swish
talk.politics.guns	fwd free nra membership offer andi sail stanford edu andi freeman write nra support pro gun and chanc win elect posit fault that drug legal anti gun fault that drug legal pro gun can elect not nra fault you contribut nra candid complet asshol save grace that oppos unnecessari restrict firearm wouldn want membership due fund effort elect problem nra organ individu member met loyal trustworthi honest brave etc boss read thi newsgroup pro hunt and recal pro desert storm nra bumper sticker sometim come strong polit arena contribut reput bad gui amoung peopl tom swiss tm umd edu born die your law brain funni bout peac love and understand nick low thi sig contain anim product and not test anim feel optimist bright futur for man spent time prove that can outwit natur and time tast sweet and respect senior white
talk.politics.guns	usual kendal ld loral colin kendal write heard anti gun control peopl give usual argument bear arm and solv problem peopl get kill gun law enforc strike that thi argument logic extend follow nuclear weapon arm nuclear weapon and nuclear weapon blow york and chicago that long good polic forc capabl find and put jail will serv deterr anti gun control peopl disagre thi and pro gun and disagre thi statement nuclear weapon and danger radioact decai plutonium and uranium tritium weapon somewhat danger live thing can you neutron flux thing defens purpos kinda hard justifi us militia weapon meant for battlefield us low yield weapon worst for industri target obliter translat citi and popul center not mention that for us militia weapon and expect user live requir sort launch vehicl aaron arc cco caltech edu
talk.politics.guns	gun control mad hell new articl tshu magpi linknet mane magpi linknet steve mane write that and good refer homocid not involv handgun thi fixat death shoot wors death stab relev homicid thi debat issu gun not basebal bat issu reduc crime not gun gun control doesn lower crime doesn address issu even simpleton that stand chanc surviv attack basebal bat that matter assault basebal bat becom common mugger gun reli primarili threat gun and rare shoot victim mugger knife like start stab victim effort incapacit knif not deadli gun crimin like us knife oppos threaten victim isn clear that replac crimin gun knife reduc murder stab becom common that import not gun homicid rate avoid issu substitut crimin techinqu weapon etc and measur want prevent murder for knive earlier post face knife gun face possibl face knife weld attack isn common stab warn and suppris usual tactic crimin shoot cover attract attent and don chanc your pocket threaten gun stab knife fortun defens knife isn anoth knife train unarm defens won problem disarm knife assail untrain knife assault mean knife assail exact statement true gun train unarm defenc will you disarm untrain gunman problem you ignor crimin reaction nation crime survei show that crimin unarm arm knife gun unwil risk live confront face threat almost prefer leav and find easier target threaten us commonli case weapon defenc attack arm knive effect gun crimin don knife threat gun frank crari boulder
talk.politics.guns	gun control mad hell new articl magpi linknet mane magpi linknet steve mane write don can state that gun control effect homicid rate don argu that effect net posit effect you neg side law abid citizen arm fireamr pistol for part prevent nation crime survei and kleck crime each year extrem studi find number crime homicid privat ownership firearm save approxim live each year roughli crimin homicid and fatal accid involv gun each year for net benefit you show that gun control measur disarm crimin gun that hard feder batf crimin bui gun counter sinc gun control law natur effect legal sale such law remov benefit arm law abid citizen minim effect arm crimin and larg gun illeg that doesn sound net benefit accident handgun homicid america licens weapon sinc licens weapon assum you not support reason law wait period background check licens etc sinc complet ban alter statist you refer assum that you support peopl di fall stair accident handgun death isn signific household accid american children accident shot children last year handgun homicid great britain children ag di drown drink poison household chemic drano fall real goal reduc tragic accident death children wouldn ban drain cleaner palc start perhap restrict ownership profession plumber dictionari argument rate total number offer for emphasi not comparison you call emphasi refer complet two statist sentenc impli comparison isn valid and you put number togeth convinc peopl you kindest thing call propaganda frank crari boulder
talk.politics.guns	gun control mad hell new articl ecf magpi linknet mane magpi linknet steve mane write you betrai your lack understand rate versu total number rate express popul place had death and popul rate place that had death and popul hav rate higher rate higher total you like die simpl enuff for chrissak your calcul and work number preformat for you make easier handgun homicid popul switzerland and switzerland safer liber handgun law rate total number your choic homicid total gun knive tire iron basebal bat bare hand etc switzerland each year and homicid total england that time wors per capita england switzerland sinc dead dead doesn matter that switz murder involv gun that english murder frank crari boulder
talk.politics.guns	bill blame america clinton strike articl new duke edu eyc acpub duke edu emil chuck write thi argument sound stupid abil make gun simpl metalwork easi drug dealer make wouldn lo angel polic depart illeg manufactur primari sourc machin gun and submachin gun us crime sumggl and theft polic and militari two washington polic state that rememb figur correctli gun confic illeg built spend hundr dollar bui gun that made cheap and sell you exorbit markup take hour and tool make reason qualiti drug dealer enjoy mess lath hobbi pai materi six hour machinist time for legal run blackmarket price for gun rang cite newspap articl simpl truth matter that easi make gun ban gun will reduc number gun and seriuosli imped effort killer intent bui weapon washington total ban handgun and prohibit assembl rifl citi limit homicid rate almost ten time nation averag illeg for resid drive virginia maryland suburb and bui gun dealer requir feder law check id and make buyer isn anoth state ban can not easili side step show tool argument silliest analog comput scienc almost comput scienc major can write wordprocessor comp sci major willingli pai buck for profession softwar wordperfect don write softwar highli inconvini you couldn bui you write your fact peopl write year ago like you find friend good program and give you copi softwar bad exampl for your case peopl you illeg copi word processor peopl want and isn afford legal will illeg gun quit secondli thi gunpowd for home made gun formula for half million year you restrict sale sulpher charcoal and saltpet that alot cruder modern smokless powder work real problem reduct energi magnum deadli and make alot smoke smart black market make gun and steal ammunit polic polic corrupt and thing disappear polic evid room and armori and reappear street gun that simpl make bosnian muslim happi peopl case that metalwork tool ban bosnia deep sarcasm perhap you weren watch new two year ago serb invad slovinia driven week partisan arm home made anti tank weapon afghan rebel frequent made rifl frank crari boulder
talk.politics.guns	gov break in minut lo angel radio station last weekend lawyer for famili murder rancher that lo angel sheriff depart had assess rancher properti raid thi strongli impli that sheriff depart want properti drug not found excus viet nam callei and convict murder troop war set deliber kill innoc peopl time that domest law enforc agenc thi countri adher standard moral militari greed kill rancher possibl greed kill davidian children govern greed time prosecut leader perform invas fred franceschi opinion
talk.politics.guns	gun control mad hell new spencer spencer newcastl wrote mane magpi linknet steve mane write jim arra jmd cube handheld wrote last year suffer almost wrong accident death handgun alon fbi statist year suffer such death scotland yard statist popul that weight for popul handgun relat death and brit don make for thi murder peopl basebal bat snip you examin figur stab favourit close strike punch kick peopl burnt death britain shot death and you for mean that peopl shot death great britain stephen mane mane magpi linknet mane and associ york usa
talk.politics.guns	gun control mad hell new jim arra jmd cube handheld wrote articl magpi linknet mane magpi linknet steve mane write don can state that gun control effect homicid rate accident handgun homicid america licens weapon american children accident shot children last year handgun homicid great britain sourc nation safeti council dictionari argument rate total number offer for emphasi not comparison you great debat you chose your sourc inform claim superior made such claim direct attent post mine claim superior sourc inform bother post refer content post number pull ozon that you confus fact twist apolog twist number and twist fair opportun for you prove that twist number ground you contradict refer you citat sourc your that can similar gratuit shot compar absolut number two countri that major popul differ usa and and whine that you afraid attack your process and claim number for emphasi not comparison emphasi nitpick and scold whinei debat style jim blow smoke you seddit brudda stephen mane mane magpi linknet mane and associ york usa
talk.politics.guns	univers bear arm not nathan laplac biologi yale edu nathan janett write articl apr okstat edu kennej okstat edu kennedi jame scot write gari gari coffman write articl apr yale edu nathan laplac biologi yale edu write articl lsr uki edu mile uki edu stephen grant write nathan laplac biologi yale edu nathan janett write suppos that true you maintain that and hunt weapon fun plink can target random not suitabl for real hunt wrong legal hunt kentucki pictur friend nice point buck shot rifl don deer hunter condon your friend choic rifl agre nathan deer hunter find inhuman us underpow weapon for deer hunt kill cleanli requir extrem good marksmanship hunt situat don for perfect shot hunter us suffici power weapon drop deer singl hit chest ak sk adequ thi task similar ballist familiar margin hand expert lucki will hunter respect for quarri gari agre that popular load for rem small for deer size game you us semi spritzer sierra semi point bullet thi suitabl round you your shot reason rang lower end accept perform long distanc shot west hunt monster mule deer rem declar legal for deer hunt oklahoma excel for varmit hunt and pest control suit heavi barrel and heat shield foregrip add high power scope and you dog heaven don nathan janett refer specif chamber rifl question think load rifl place deer hunt that not opinion sportsmen us load rifl and shotgun wrongo nra man refer round not auto load aspect rifl problem respons hunt that doesn includ machin gun chopper semi fine uncl bag deer gaug slug prefer that hunter us catch and don condon hunt for sport imho two question you assert that and not suitabl for real hunt you problem hunt load rifl for hunt you thi not for deer smaller game nicknam nra man notic never refer you janett you don super power spider man powder toast man scott kennedi brewer patriot and nra man defend truth justic and amend kennej okstat edu
talk.politics.guns	gov break in minut articl apr pasadena bofa franceschi pasadena bofa write lo angel radio station last weekend lawyer for famili murder rancher that lo angel sheriff depart had assess rancher properti raid brief document for raid had notat similar local properti had sold for prior raid recent coverag can believ thi strongli impli that sheriff depart want properti drug not found excus ventura counti conclus report releas lambast sheriff offic bad man blind and didn goos step drug warrior kirk hai nra life seventh gener thing for triumph evil for good men noth edmund burk
talk.politics.guns	univers bear arm not rat cbnewsc att morri cat write wrong you want proof turn your and for show star chuck connor call rifleman time fast can fire that lever action rifl not rememb advertis for sell appar winchest produc bunch commerci commemor televis show sold handgun barrel length and lack stock mistak weapon for gun us steve mcqueen want dead aliv winchest make commemor model rifl us chuck connor movi chuck connor nra member di recent don for winchest made commem recal correctli rifl model overs loop lever don winchest make thi rifl rossi make model alik special and magnum aaron arc cco caltech edu
talk.politics.guns	aclu waco shootout paul hager hagerp indiana edu write amend and bear bear defin mean carri peopl physic unabl carri hundr pound nuclear devic understand sub kiloton nuclear demolit man portabl and carri backpack recal kennedi administr had sub kiloton nuclear weapon withdrawn europ and destroi man portabl and made for us shoulder mount rocket launcher smallest nuclear test data for tenth kiloton weapon test late earli aaron arc cco caltech edu
talk.politics.guns	gov break in minut articl apr pasadena bofa franceschi pasadena bofa write viet nam callei and convict murder troop war set deliber kill innoc peopl time that domest law enforc agenc thi countri adher standard moral militari callei acquit troop kill peopl includ kid elderli and women don want domest law enforc agenc thi countri adher militari standard big troubl lai massacr cover high rank offici and involv acquit minh minh lang softwar engin jet propuls laboratori instrument system group instrument section note employ noth
talk.politics.guns	articl apr dosgat nigel allen canrem nigel allen write press releas handgun control inc sarah bradi call governor veto nra bill bayh urg follow clinton lead state desk contact cheryl brolin handgun control inc washington april letter todai indiana gov evan bayh sarah bradi wife white hous press secretari jame bradi and chair handgun control inc call governor veto nra back preemption legisl wipe exist local gun law and prohibit local enact futur regul govern sale possess transfer firearm count gov bayh show kind polit courag presid clinton show governor arkansa twice veto thi type special interest legisl mr bradi refer clinton veto nra back preemption bill and knew that cuti sell full blood democrat folk can happen rememb gun rack can happen anywher that letter readi dear cuti didn vote for you can sincer unhappi nigel allen toronto ontario canada nigel allen canrem canada remot system toronto ontario for save ourselv rush jason allei opinion express earlham colleg richmond alien live pancrea alleyja yang earlham edu empir never end
talk.politics.guns	usual hollomb polymath tti polymath write possess nuclear arm weapon grade fission regul market forc you make bui steal thing that stop you stagger cost nation can afford fact that sell you and tight secur maintain exist stock saddam hussein impress that obtain fission materi plutonium reactor weapon grade uranium requir obtain feder permit such materi sourc fission you can build bomb your garag part hardwar store and electron junk suppli you engag shadi deal explos charg that trivial compar get plutonium basic inform design declassifi year ago and can dug technic librari physic grad student bother materi cover last term week nuclear chemistri deriv build bomb and explos charg chemist synthes varieti explos commonli chemic garag felt electron deton and shape charg trickier not imposs trick trade and want nasti includ core hydrogen and deuterium hardest part get fission materi start and live long put bomb togeth plutonium nasti properti polymath aka jerri hollomb cdp aka hollomb polymath tti head robot wrangler citicorp law defin crime ocean park blvd polic enforc law santa monica citizen prevent crime aaron arc cco caltech edu
talk.politics.guns	anoth nytim yellow sheet editori feustel netcom david feustel write uninform purposefulli ignor gun control rant delet prohibit research effect taggant explos taggant cheap and technolog feasibl microscop addit that investig crime scene world trade center bomb trace explos involv want thi man hell you can explos us wtc bomb that consensu that explos fertil base ammonium nitrat exact ton disappear per year recal stat correctli don disregard realiti push point bunk delet aaron arc cco caltech edu
talk.politics.guns	waco date coincident not that clinton polici wonk facilit arrang waco raid displai piec for gun war constitut bush administr materi for drug war constitut rememb that baggi crack georg wave camera dealer ghetto and brought white hous drug had dealt onb white hous lawn and don honestli clinton moral qualm raid worrisom thing that heroic defens ranch will make clinton gun war constitut successful exactli want media and politician will filter thi that gener public will bad gui don stand for your friend and famili adnd public anytim you can suppos moral qualm not import issu hero fight oppress govern you watkin earth eec uic edu brian watkin
talk.politics.guns	gun control proud canuck swiss had war border adult male own rifl great admir swiss year peac turf zilch gun ownership can you pictur hitler panzer and fock wulf pois border lose sleep thousand expert rifleman hitler stai switzerland swiss run monei thi world emul that and forget get rifl street disband nra and start nation invest bank associ replet red and black sticker for back window bubba merced fire charlton heston and paul volcker for spokesman
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talk.politics.guns	gun control proud canuck articl pqsruinnia col col dduff col dave duff write swiss had war border adult male own rifl great admir swiss year peac turf zilch gun ownership can you pictur hitler panzer and fock wulf pois border lose sleep thousand expert rifleman swiss popul and larger that your question lose sleep million expert riflemen conquer switzerland million arm militiamen mountain area tank effect limit made real pain question conqueror worth troubl difficult invas like answer million riflemen oppos profession armi ten twenti thousand countri size switzerland support make invas difficult hitler stai switzerland swiss run monei thi world not even you prove that todai despit steriotyp swiss banker not essenti german war time economi frank crari boulder
talk.politics.guns	usual arc cco caltech edu aaron rai clement write pro gun and disagre thi statement nuclear weapon and danger radioact decai plutonium and uranium tritium weapon somewhat danger live thing can you neutron flux can you background radiat live denver offic limeston build stand power reactor full power stand nuclear warhead that arm shield your dictionari you don six feet lead make decent shield your dead skin cell layer excel job alpha particl and neutron slow mere water you you thing defens purpos kinda hard justifi us militia weapon meant for battlefield us low yield weapon worst for industri target obliter translat citi and popul center militia job overthrow illeg govern weapon militia won area level pentagon good thing for overthrow and like man carri backpack stand chanc thousand arm colt peacemak don defens becom reason you can gun and your sole mean justif won overthrow govern ceas legal govern want weapon can can easili rifl larger need kill human that human wear armor and ride apc thing bit don weapon problem not manner us content not mention that for us militia weapon and expect user live requir sort launch vehicl guess you don alarm clock never heard term timer martyr don forget remot deton devic that radio pickup you can easili transmit ten mile decent weather that blast radiu portabl nuclear devic radioact decai that you worri dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
talk.politics.guns	usual arc cco caltech edu aaron rai clement write impress that obtain fission materi plutonium reactor weapon grade uranium requir obtain feder permit such materi you start work yellowcak devis system sourc btw doe handl reactor fuel and leas reactor nrc certifi reactor militari sourc privat citizen offici sourc bother materi cover last term week nuclear chemistri deriv build bomb that freshman level chemistri big deal can you make work that phd level physic big differ and explos charg chemist synthes varieti explos commonli chemic garag felt electron deton and shape charg trickier not imposs trick trade and want nasti includ core hydrogen and deuterium you admit that law that stop you physic you make you had fund and time answer lock you thi sure you can comparison anti gun law come into plai hardest part get fission materi start and live long put bomb togeth plutonium nasti properti precis not readili util you lead btw for home made bomb us plutonium law physic make creation devic manufactur facil low probabl dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
talk.politics.guns	waco shootout highlight total irrespons articl apr gtephx forda gtephx andrew ford agc phoenix arizona write articl pdmgainn kitti ksu ksu edu strat kitti ksu ksu edu steve davi write cdt stratu tavar write gun doesn you victim cut and run purs snatcher make your purs contain your your hous kei and your gun you can run into store bui gun run back and shoot gui back run thi doesn lost gun and bui anoth that sit home alon tonight not sit duck bastard break fact situat grim that that even purs snatcher home address woman live alon great person danger
talk.politics.guns	washington state articl mar synaps bm hambidg bm write articl uicvm uic edu uicvm uic edu write ccw acronym for conceal carri weapon basic permit carri conceal pistol revolv phone licens divis washington state for applic for ccw promptli applicationfor firearm dealer washington even firearm safeti pamphlet case kim
talk.politics.guns	gov break in minut articl apr pasadena bofa franceschi pasadena bofa write viet nam callei and convict murder troop war set deliber kill innoc peopl time that domest law enforc agenc thi countri adher standard moral militari call for respons and account polic invari interpret soft crime tough crime and build prison and seiz properti polit astut thing dai greed kill rancher possibl greed kill davidian children govern greed and citizen complac time prosecut leader perform invas don forget politician that write law that make easi for polic agenc becom corrupt war drug brought thi corrupt and end legal will stop corrupt smg
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talk.politics.guns	found father question arc cco caltech edu aaron rai clement write wasn make comment georg born silver foot mouth sound anoth damn politician ain dai texa anymor politician corrupt stand apolog except can new that hous two third major opposit concern for imag even thi publicli not matter peopl expect texan congressmen act republican steve podleski phone nasa lewi research center cleveland ohio email pspod gonzo lerc nasa gov
talk.politics.guns	gun control mad hell new articl apq magpi linknet mane magpi linknet steve mane write jim arra jmd cube handheld wrote articl magpi linknet mane magpi linknet steve mane write don can state that gun control effect homicid rate accident handgun homicid america licens weapon american children accident shot children last year handgun homicid great britain sourc nation safeti council dictionari argument rate total number offer for emphasi not comparison you great debat you chose your sourc inform claim superior not awar number ozon you you such made such claim direct attent post mine claim superior sourc inform bother post refer content post number pull ozon that you confus fact twist apolog you state refer and you claim good fair treatment twist number and twist fair opportun for you prove that twist number ground you contradict refer you citat sourc your that can similar gratuit shot you fail differ absolut number and rate compar absolut number two countri that major popul differ usa and and whine that you afraid attack your process and claim number for emphasi not comparison emphasi nitpick and scold whinei debat style jim you miss point your method can prove gun control total failur york total homocid count strict gun control higher rhode island strict gun control folk kill york rhode island mane logic gun control made york danger place rhode island rememb nitpick and whinei debat style point differ york and rhode island that defeat argument blow smoke you seddit brudda you agre wow break stephen mane mane magpi linknet mane and associ york usa jim
talk.politics.guns	gun control mad hell new articl amf magpi linknet mane magpi linknet steve mane write last year suffer almost wrong accident death handgun alon fbi statist year suffer such death scotland yard statist popul that weight for popul handgun relat death and brit don make for thi murder peopl basebal bat you examin figur stab favourit close strike punch kick peopl burnt death britain shot death and you for mean that peopl shot death great britain and that great comfort widow and children stab beaten and burn death real question crime rate england enact gun control law you rate and such law you will effect frank crari boulder
talk.politics.guns	arm citizen april arm citizen mere presenc firearm shot fire prevent crime instanc shown new report arm citizen shoot can justifi crime constitut immin threat life limb circumst properti account below clip nra member free quot reproduc retir la vega deputi polic chief larri bolden initi defend steer wheel bar lock crimin attack car intrud wrestl bolden pull pistol and fire time wound attack and stop incid citizen defend polic offici review journal la vega nev pair teenag robber arm saw shotgun and handgun dai receipt brooklyn bodega owner hector martinez made getawai martinez grab regist gaug shotgun and gave chase fire martinez return blast slightli wound assail fled apprehend sought medic attent newsdai long island sign post door roman para shop read owner thi properti arm and highli skill protect life liberti and properti crimin attack appar pair robber didn paus read threaten para wife oxnard calif conveni store hear scream para grab ran front store and shot mask and arm men kill crimin time lo angel calif ann mari sullivan shower portland oreg home morn heard front door crash jump shower time man enter home run bedroom sullivan retriev boyfriend pistol and fire two shot mortal wound intrud dead man had lengthi polic and prison record oregonian portland oreg mike baranelli two robber burst into birmingham ala barber shop monei year retir teacher unwil surrend life intrud order baranelli shop owner and anoth man lie floor baranelli pull pistol and shot men head kill felt dead peopl had divin baranelli sundai advertis montgomeri ala believ elderli harvei ill coupl easi prei knife wield home invad met death year homeown loos round semi automat pistol polic dead man had charg time for theft coupl home star chicago height ill crimin profil schedul america want shot fame abruptli cancel hallandal fla servic station clerk michigan prison escape walk into station and announc robberi cash bullet head and chest station clerk gari mcvei polic mcvei act defens and not face charg sun sentinel lauderdal fla bridgeport conn oil deliveri man hand dollar had thug appar unsatisfi turn gun victim and demand monei cash deliveryman pull pistol and fire mortal wound robber polic dead man had held nearbi market fatal incid courant hartford conn repeat burglari san marco calif home joan vessel readi and cordless phone heard glass break afternoon found two teenag attempt into woodsh vessel fire warn shot head march into front yard and call polic time advoc escondido calif angri that auto insur had cancel client us brass knuckl brandon fla agent steven taylor assail walk offic taylor grab pistol and held client gun point polic arriv tribun tampa fla doze even exet offic jim pisano awaken bark dog sit stun amaz watch two men smash offic window reach and grab hunt rifl reach pistol desk pisano fire shot appar wound burglar and put flight time leader wilk barr pair shoe act for crimin pull knife and demand monei man advanc flint mich shoestor owner drew pistol and fire critic wound robber journal flint mich disarm and pistol whip struggl pair shotgun tote thug brooklyn pharmacist soel melero continu fight and manag retriev second licens hidden pistol fire time druggist kill assail fled empti hand daili new york ron phillip crphilli hound dazixca ingr senior custom engin intergraph electron east evelyn avenu voic mountain view fax
talk.politics.guns	found father question articl apr eagl lerc nasa gov pspod bigbird lerc nasa gov steve podleski write arc cco caltech edu aaron rai clement write wasn make comment georg born silver foot mouth sound anoth damn politician ain dai texa anymor politician corrupt stand apolog except can new that hous two third major opposit concern for imag even thi publicli not matter peopl expect texan congressmen act republican like veto proof major hous senat stori gov vow that bill will not vote and power addit senat smaller and readili manipul bodi ther hand semi automat ban will like not live fifti per cent hous oppos and bill order senat will address ccw bill and thought polit scienc class wast time dillon pyron opinion express dseg lewisvil vax support sender state home god gave weather wouldn complain pyron skndiv dseg thing padi
talk.politics.guns	gun control mad hell new articl ecf magpi linknet mane magpi linknet steve mane write hambidg bm wrote articl psog magpi linknet mane magpi linknet steve mane write rate per capita rate danger you like kill handgun averag individu citizen twice like kill mean averag swiss you feel kill mean handgun wouldn absurd argument switzerland size eigth peopl point swiss soil you like crow bait importantli you like kill stranger approach you swiss street you betrai your lack understand rate versu total number rate express popul place had death and popul rate place that had death and popul hav rate higher rate higher total you like die simpl enuff for chrissak your calcul and work number preformat for you make easier handgun homicid popul switzerland and switzerland safer liber handgun law rate total number your choic you want talk like kill handgun you point safer includ thing simpli handgun and you can conclud safer ignor total homicid rate david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu mail veal utkvm utk edu will bounc tax not levi for benefit tax lazaru long
talk.politics.guns	gun control mad hell new articl tshu magpi linknet mane magpi linknet steve mane write frank crari fcrari ucsu colorado edu wrote that and good refer homocid not involv handgun thi fixat death shoot wors death stab relev homicid thi debat you gun control advoc that rid handgun will live homicid free world relev that you homicid and reduc number gun homicid that group doesn decreas signific amount you made improv and that improv worth you paid issu gun not basebal bat even simpleton that stand chanc surviv attack basebal bat outrun bat wield assail basebal bat tenth like kill victim gun that comfort that tenth for knive earlier post face knife gun face knife and damn annoi didn gun statist world didn chang fact that interest cut fortun defens knife isn anoth knife train unarm defens won problem disarm knife assail untrain knife assault mean knife assail train defens unarm defens isn for requir substanti train safe and effect firearm requir physic proxim and greater threat victim primari problem stun gun you touch your assail you good larg stronger assail can simpli ignor your blow long incapacit you david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu
talk.politics.guns	usual articl vike ponder iastat edu vike iastat edu dan sorenson write pro gun and disagre thi statement nuclear weapon and danger radioact decai plutonium and uranium tritium weapon somewhat danger live thing can you neutron flux can you background radiat live denver offic limeston build stand power reactor full power stand nuclear warhead that arm shield your dictionari you don six feet lead make decent shield your dead skin cell layer excel job alpha particl and neutron slow mere water you you neutron hit good chanc absorb neutron and radioact that mean water turn into harmless heavi water neutron hit bone and result harmful secondard radioact remain bodi for decad unshield nuclear warhead consid public health hazard for shield warhead fair amount maintainc requir for remain safe shield storag dry temperatur regul facil etc for privat ownership unregul singl individu not weapon safe condit random privat citizen not properli maintain and store nuclear weapon regul thing defens purpos kinda hard justifi us militia weapon meant for battlefield us low yield weapon worst for industri target obliter translat citi and popul center militia job overthrow illeg govern weapon militia disagre thi purpos job militia defend and commun you american revolut exampl militia won seper and independ repress govern didn overthrow and commun canada and england for exampl that didn defend that regim role militia offens and destroi repress govern nuclear weapon job defens and nuclear weapon aren suit for that question person and collect arm second amend defin protect ownership person weapon sinc natur militia requir member provid arm isn clear cover arm not member suppli for exampl tank us effect provid heavi weapon disproportion control militia and fierpow militia framer envis extrem democrat member support respond muster and militia firepow proportion reduc militia firepow and popular will link small minor member suppli larg fraction firepow form heavi weapon thi chang militia firepow depend will small minor not gener public wors that minor quit gener public richer result natur and charact militia requir that each member provid roughli equal share militia firepow person weapon and equit fraction squad heavier firepow frank crari boulder
talk.politics.guns	statement sarah bradi texa state carri conceal legisl previou articl nigel allen canrem nigel allen press releas handgun control inc statement sarah bradi texa state carri conceal legisl state desk contact susan whitmor handgun control inc washington march statement sarah bradi texa state carri conceal legisl hand lawmak austin todai told public that safeti import interest nation rifl associ thi action come local state and feder law enforc offici continu stand religi cult that highlight for tougher gun law not weaker carri conceal bill hand anti gun zealot tell public that defens import interest handgun control inc thi action come local state and feder law enforc offici continu assault branch davidian compound assault result death two year child hand feder agent thi highlight for citizen defend and children excess govern suggest propon that thi bill will reduc crime distort fact thi call crime fight law result percent increas violent crime state florida and never heard law enforc offici brag that gun street reduc crime suggest oppon that thi bill will increas crime distort fact aggress outreach offici central florida train and arm women led dramat drop level assault and rape that area thi program rare gem law enforc offici appar that unarm citizenri will easier control and favor tighter restrict vote todai insult law enforc offici put live line dai end standoff waco entir countri easi for individu bent destruct amass arsen weapon texa lawmak vote for thi conceal handgun bill shown total disregard for law offici front line and famili fallen vote todai tribut good sens public larg put live line dai law affair entir countri vulner averag citizen attack crimin and arm assault polic texa lawmak vote for thi conceal handgun bill shown total understand for innoc law abid citizen front line and famili fallen urg hous repres listen percent texan that oppos thi measur and reject thi ill conceiv legisl urg hous repres pai attent constitu and not stamped ill conceiv argument ideolog fanat nigel allen toronto ontario nigel allen canrem canada remot system toronto ontario ain propaganda fun opinion express author insight intellig and carefulli thought that share univers iowa case western reserv univers
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talk.politics.guns	gun control mad hell new articl ecf magpi linknet mane magpi linknet steve mane write for chrissak your calcul and work number preformat for you make easier handgun homicid popul switzerland and switzerland safer liber handgun law rate total number your choic pai attent and refer total homicid death not handgun homicid term like you kill dead dead higher homicid rate period you like kill switzerland you murder handgun switzerland higher rate belabor point you like murder that sens weapon irrelev violent period standard disclaim
talk.politics.guns	gun control mad hell new articl tshu magpi linknet mane magpi linknet steve mane write relev homicid thi debat you gun control advoc that rid handgun will live homicid free world make sound that issu gun not basebal bat even simpleton that stand chanc surviv attack basebal bat outrun bat wield assail even simpleton basebal bat consid deadli weapon cannot run infirm even middl ag assail younger handgun effect mean defens you won even fire shot time for knive earlier post face knife gun fortun defens knife isn anoth knife train unarm defens won problem disarm knife assail untrain knife assault mean knife assail real streetfight and lot knife will kick live peopl train unarm defens for major peopl gun effect form defens standard disclaim
talk.politics.guns	nazi memoribilia apr raid dell mikepb lupu dell michael brininstool write swatika common american indian mark paint wall etc swastika that bad want back thi person anecdot grandpar navajo rug made receiv trade weaver live flagstaff arizona decor motif consist larg black swastika each corner color scheme black white and red casual glanc undoubtedli nazi relic kind own ten year hitler and nation socialist power recal and didn feel quit put back draw comment don ccm christoph ariz coll medicin cmai ccit arizona edu your part for liberti teach your children hate big govern you care freedom dream inspir and wish promot war and weapon made robert ardrei armaqu armato sumer jura sinunt ovid wise man understand inclineth hand fool heart turneth left ecclesiast christoph ariz coll medicin cmai ccit arizona edu your part for liberti teach your children hate big govern
talk.politics.guns	nazi memoribilia articl cmai helium cmai helium ga uug arizona edu christoph write apr raid dell mikepb lupu dell michael brininstool write swatika common american indian mark paint wall etc swastika that bad want back thi person anecdot grandpar navajo rug made receiv trade weaver live flagstaff arizona decor motif consist larg black swastika each corner color scheme black white and red casual glanc undoubtedli nazi relic kind own ten year hitler and nation socialist power recal and didn feel quit put back draw comment don live plai and work and navajo reserv for number year can confirm thi ancient pattern found petroglyph date year indian never stop make rug thi pattern stop sell nazi pre empt swastika note that indian version us clockwis and counter clockwis swastika gun rare navaho famili that doesn rifl rememb reloc armi and don intend hopi hand dislik for weapon experi perhap hide stranger kirk hai nra life seventh gener thing for triumph evil for good men noth edmund burk
talk.politics.guns	nation crime survei drop librari yesterdai and pick back copi nation crime survei effort examin defens firearm haven ground number coupl thing jump and type weapon us defens and refer weapon second that assault rose gun defens report fell almost explan for thi tempt mark report problem and such ahead examin number wast time idea real differ and not report differ survei doesn chang significantli and david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu
talk.politics.guns	articl apr colorado edu ajteel dendrit colorado edu teel write you that hic that law that pass for good ly teeth and disarm populac that hci peopl honestli that pass gun control law will interest public safeti thi us bui hci line freshman year line made sens peopl gun and peopl polic and elit for thi posit highli emot and not thought never stop that hci posit basic that elit incompet that you and folk and that second amend absolut noth hunt legitim exclud overthrow tyrann govern and defend polic proven can protect you that end result intent will easier subdu popul for nwo thi motiv power degre thi plan dupe pro control person talk left stump simpli argu fact gun control that proven lower crime rate and weapon terminolog and expert explain exactli evil semiautomat weapon work wonder hvae person found reason argument effect emot pro control peopl trick realiz that second amend exist not for hunter for oppress and terror daryl daryl biberdorf gjm biberdorf tamu edu sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura
talk.politics.guns	gun control proud canuck frank crari fcrari ucsu colorado edu wrote articl pqsruinnia col col dduff col dave duff write swiss popul and larger that your question lose sleep million expert riflemen conquer switzerland million arm militiamen mountain area tank effect limit made real pain question conqueror worth troubl difficult invas like answer million riflemen oppos profession armi ten twenti thousand countri size switzerland support make invas difficult hitler invad yugoslavia and occupi mountain portion sometim patrol wermacht not control two major nativ faction oppos each and german basic useless german product and drain resourc armor divis and coupl infantri divis memori correct kind stuck alli accept surrend that alli german weapon for defens unitil lowland resist faction thi memori and unreli dale farmer
talk.politics.guns	gun control articl apollo nelson apollo peter nelson write cleveland freenet edu john redelf write gun control you gun control assum gun control you mean hit your target peter clint eastwood line pink cadillac gun control gun wanna control standard disclaim
talk.politics.guns	lavishli fund gun epidem propaganda campaign commenc articl txek fcq magpi linknet mane magpi linknet steve mane write morri cat rat cbnewsc att wrote neal knox firearm coalit point full forc anti gun rule class multi million poll organ school new media entertain media entertain media forc anti gun rule class thi media that made billion produc film and televis that glorifi gun and gun user that anoth anti gun media you kid afraid isn hypocrit lot standard disclaim
talk.politics.guns	gun control proud canuck articl pqsruinnia col col dduff col dave duff write swiss had war border adult male own rifl great admir swiss year peac turf zilch gun ownership can you pictur hitler panzer and fock wulf pois border lose sleep thousand expert rifleman not riflemen hard bunker mountain that imposs penetr for tank useless such mountain terrain hitler stai switzerland swiss run monei thi world gee that thought ethnic group sinc hitler determin control europ you gave damn intern monetari concern lot gold swiss vault don you that switzerland crazi wasn total stupid cost hell lot switzerland guarante that invas success figur gener listen that wasn worth cost standard disclaim
talk.politics.guns	gun control articl bgo magpi linknet mane magpi linknet steve mane write surpris weren contrari studi add that sloan and kellerman endors polic depart seattl and vancouv and consid refer hand exhaust studi kind even issu essai conclus statist speak larg for postul and add vitamin endors nobel laureat panacea for almost common cold cancer order compar violent crime trend compar violent crime categori simpl assault mechan homicid wait minut not compar trend that advent canada gun law had effect homicid total handgun pre post comparison cannot specul util correl and correl not prove causal your point that white commit handgun crime white dubiou assumpt convent social theori that econom statu not color primari motiv factor for crime violent crime your point that white peopl respons gun owner assum that coincid that comparit fewer white peopl earn below poverti line and live tenement neighborhood violent crime occur hold you dismiss point demograph you socio econom demograph slick differ two citi permit regul render two number strictli noncompar contrari differ that basi studi easi avail legal handgun seattl and difficult restrict weapon permit requir vancouv onc correl not prove causal pre post data canadian gun law had effect not cook measur suicid and assault homicid firearm survei base estim number legal and illeg gun circul citi sir you canadian and own gun restrict gun law pass and decid hide turn you answer truthfulli question gun ownership call write ask you street that problem survei will answer incrimin question anoth that peopl will you you want your author miss core issu that vancouv citizen prohibit purchas handgun basi defens don choic matter that mean vancouv citizen handgun not you discount gun purchas and gun purchas for purpos defens can us for defens hmmm sound your author bumper sticker that read gun don kill peopl black peopl kill peopl honestli conjectur back evid studi and even common sens aren worth consider time you type assumpt frighteningli close pseudo scientif studi that white supremist asshol love crap that take publish statist twist attempt prove inher crimin natur black peopl make valid point demograph differ you resort kind argument that polit correct movement stifl debat nice real nice thi author essai contain independ studi base conclus strain disjoint statist discours attempt blame seattl murder rate black doesn produc data order point flaw methodolog and conclus anoth studi you resort tactic standard disclaim
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talk.politics.guns	ban firearm articl apr sco allanh sco allan heim write papresco undergrad math uwaterloo paul prescod drug ban thi suppli will dry drug easier manufactur easier smuggl easier hide comparison us anoth exampl alcohol beverag bottl whiskei larger heavier and fragil bag drug barrel and keg larger and heavier and difficult manipul lot peopl manag rich smuggl booz into thi countri year prohibit demand entir industri form suppli alcohol ban todai difficult manag larg scale smuggl oper cop rank narrow notch below militari commun intellig gather and firepow similar vein amount marijuana smuggl into thi countri greatli decreas thi per pound low compar cocain heroin simpli not worth risk uneconom reefer domest pressur domest produc showi raid notwithstand and econom note domest reefer strong small volum long you cannot make alcohol stronger proof not good dollar pound deal firearm tend fall into thi low dollar pound area not econom smuggl product local not that peopl skill and motiv assembl worthwhil firearm scratch high rank crime figur obtain import uzi and such averag person and averag thug lucki zip gun and pai nose for
talk.politics.guns	that silli outdat bill koresh and miranda wrote nice strawman discuss not whether tank us sixti riot whether tank fire main gun riot you claim that claim ludicr aweslei repli repeat had told context had heard support claim that tank us detroit issu never whether tank us detroit whether fire main gun you not claim that tank us you claim that fire main gun suppress sniper fire and that quit effect thi you continu back thi claim and defend that disput aweslei spent minut librari todai found comput and don card catalog minut find thi nightmar detroit rebellion and victim sauter and hine page tell death tonia bland ag tank fire sniper turn direct shot fifti calib machin gun mount tank belch fire into build short round into front build tank gun spit tear apart huge hole side apart not main gun not main gun gee that entir point you admit that you wrong wrote will pictur tank fire main gun will pictur build damag shell will read report tank fire bet you dollar doughnut won will second hand account nation guard sergeant shoot shit convinc that tank shell american citi sixti aweslei repli you bother read wouldn long find report tank fire not necessarili main gun will never read tank fire main gun detroit riot simpli that such event place common knowledg even year american militari fire shell tank american citi black big new aweslei you can read troop grenad launcher fire fragmentari grenad doubt that fire concuss grenad perhap fire tear ga you perfectli will fire frag wouldn you sinc make your claim plausibl and don expect convinc you you open your mind and ey and research convinc you find you found noth claim that marin us launch rocket build trenton jersei you you suspend judgment you had chanc research your bullshit filter kick tank had fire main gun detroit peopl scream for past two and half decad you claim that nation guard manag cover your mind open that good for you prefer live realiti and realiti find hard that tank even had shell fire john scott
talk.politics.guns	gun american express card uicvm uic edu jason kratz uicvm uic edu write delet and fulli automat weapon you can lot arm you want hit you aim happen situat get total blown proport post refer your regular patrolman car cruis citi gang member polic access thing that you mention us tank and such time don and that point make dai lunch cop come major that carri revolv not that wrong revolv you cop that gang member coupl automat coat mean semi auto handgun you disadvantag even train shoot rang gang gang member practic shoot practic take gun quick and shoot target and weren badli univers cop state cop arm chicago polic state cop defin arm shoot revolv and semi auto colt fire faster nope faster rate fire not desir make gui duck for cover you hit thompson hose mode thi militari limit round burst fire simpl semi auto troop rock and roll even wast ammo short suppli enemi plenti revolv equal capabl semi auto calib revolv advantag that misfir you pull trigger doubl action revolv almost can hand cock will fire pull trigger misfir revolv mean you pull trigger rotat round revolv can carri chamber empti and hammer for maximum safeti can drawn and fire easi motion even hand speedload for revolv reload almost fast magazin semi auto can faster depend user misfir semi auto will requir you clear jam shell time spent can fatal and vital second lost you realiz hei jam start clear semi auto slide work chamber round and cock hammer polic carri semi auto chamber load and hammer cock safeti engag not thi safe you trade safeti speed employ revolv doubl action semi auto complex oper requir train polic depart switch glock and start quietli switch offic back revolv accid partli due poor train receiv not that glock requir rocket scientist cop baffl complex timer vcr that crimin outgun polic don noth firearm turn cop and hunter and pai attent not seek semi auto junk that assum for job stupid cop revolv hip and shotgun rack equip for short riot gun control hit you aim you whip and fire real fast you find you don hit good control fire revolv like you hit beretta inferior carri weapon ruger secur six revolv haven hit aim shot quit wrong somewher backup capac extra shot case overwhelmingli shot fire crimin encount crook overwhelmingli us crime nice simpl revolv that polic us polic prefer heftier magnum obplea don flame prefer semi auto for thing introduc unneccessari complic nerv wrack abrupt encount lone crimin had plan perfect batf spokesperson cnn fail raid attempt
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talk.politics.guns	ban firearm articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write articl apr sco allanh sco allan heim write papresco undergrad math uwaterloo paul prescod drug ban thi suppli will dry drug easier manufactur easier smuggl easier hide comparison us anoth exampl alcohol beverag bottl whiskei larger heavier and fragil bag drug barrel and keg larger and heavier and difficult manipul lot peopl manag rich smuggl booz into thi countri year prohibit demand entir industri form suppli alcohol ban todai difficult manag larg scale smuggl oper cop rank narrow notch below militari commun intellig gather and firepow similar vein amount marijuana smuggl into thi countri greatli decreas thi per pound low compar cocain heroin simpli not worth risk uneconom reefer domest pressur domest produc showi raid notwithstand and econom question marijuana domest and produc econom expect import note domest reefer strong small volum long you cannot make alcohol stronger proof not good dollar pound deal quit successfulli for number year thought worth risk firearm tend fall into thi low dollar pound area not econom smuggl your assumpt that thi low dollar pound area suffici low make gun run unprofit you base thi and that smuggl channel establish and economi scale add significantli expens start smuggl firearm hazard term get caught drug product local that jump case defin local big countri not that peopl skill and motiv assembl worthwhil firearm scratch high rank crime figur obtain import uzi and such averag person and averag thug lucki zip gun and pai nose for wow you gotta love specul post import billion billion raw or across mexican border not that ship come and harbor dai full stuff and custom doesn even extra advantag sniff will wager that shipload handgun worth shipload raw or and you virtual guarante past custom hand search hold ship not simpli matter monei worth monei worth good base likelihood caught monei drug safer thing smuggl david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.guns	pill for deer hunt articl qfrhbinno cae cad gatech edu vincent cad gatech edu vincent fox thi measur will prevent evil bambi killer hunt and anoth will fight for interfer natur that such measur anoth benefit reliev state thorni problem hundr million dollar hunter pour into economi annual that attain lofti human liber and ecolog not mention polit correct goal environment and anim right group individu support such measur will add name list support seek increas taxat replac lost revenu equal confid that entiti noteworthi record area social respons and respect for privat properti feel moral and ethic bound rais fund acquir hundr thousand acr land held privat hand sole for us privat hunt preserv landown thi place group individu ethic unten noth environment and polit incorrect posit sanction log and subsequ develop and urban privat hunt land longer useabl benefit landown such capac gorman
talk.politics.guns	lethal altern handgun articl apr watson ibm mjp vnet ibm michael phelp write articl shepardc ftl netcom shepard netcom mark shepard write effect person defens product mace pepper sprai taser and lethal stun devic compar handgun statist and type us product attract compar handgun lethal forgiv accid mistak wrong shoot such yoshi hattori case and justic system deal crimin crimin simpli dead vigilant feel bother anti gun peopl forgiv natur side crimin us adw assault deadli weapon charg can lethal danger side effect peopl violent reaction mace pepper sprai stun gun can harm peopl weak heart peopl suffer ey damag mace stuff that concentr us sprai propel flammabl argument lethal weapon compar handgun lack rang lack stop power effect and limit ammo true cost sprai sprai base mace pepper indoor bound affect room victim due natur stuff sprai outdoor sort breez mitig effect read articl appear that mace mace citizen pretti ineffect peopl influenc drug alcohol pepper sprai appear effect inher sprai deliveri problem not distract that bui you time run hell you can that run hell isn viabl solut for exampl you dress boot and assail dress sneaker you tough time outrun tasar and stun gun requir contact skin for max effect jacket leather will mitig effect user extrem close assail that put consider risk injuri user stun gun contact assail for neglig period time tasar dart can pull problem small women keep stun gun contact averag size man for length time sustain injuri anti gun group suggest lethal weapon counter pro gun argument that peopl will left defenseless haven heard gener contend that peopl don aren defend and legal restrict licens appli lethal devic civilian ownership stun gun frequent illeg sprai illeg state not illeg half state think legal that almost legal heard that reason didn due ineffect feel that sprai noth user not hype thi drop track stuff and divers mark mark shepard shepard netcom portola vallei michael phelp extern mjp vnet ibm intern mjp bwa kgn ibm mjp kgnvmy and last not disclaim opinion mine gun lethal bullet rubber plastic bullet work stop attack doug holland
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talk.politics.guns	gun american express card articl utkvm utk edu utkvm utk edu david veal stuff delet happen situat get total blown proport post refer your regular patrolman car cruis citi gang member polic access thing that you mention us tank and such time don and that point make dai lunch cop come major that carri revolv not that wrong revolv you cop that gang member coupl automat coat mean semi auto handgun you disadvantag even train david thi arm race fallaci that bigger gun make individu safer problem that for each level offens power not automat level defens increas problem that sort lethal threshold that onc you past you talk metter degre cop reason for averag beat cop bigger pistol person weapon and rifl and shotgun cruiser mean carri monster pistol sub machinegun doesn make cop wound shoot lot polic departen switch semi automat reliabl weapon and stop power point diminish return thi good point care kind gun you you ly ground dead and automat gang member carri coupl automat incred rariti menac and innoc bystand tryinh aim auto hard control control two polic offic polic offic arm stuff delet mine question thi polic offic gain sub machinegun similar person weapon that doesn semi automat pistol don polic hose full auto fire experi polic offic stat polic offic kill cop made feel such good idea precis fire prefer bigger gun standard sidearm suffici stop power properli appli power weapon make likelihood death higher give polic significantli option anoth good point that that lot lead fly cop gang innoc get caught crossfir david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird point made guess mindset make not correct mindset thi discuss that situat carefulli your point exactli david and wholeheartedli agre assum that bullet and bigger bullet onc want state that pro gun individu and not that gun control viabl option unit state drivel that spout jason
talk.politics.guns	gun american express card articl qie rinn cae cad gatech edu vincent cad gatech edu vincent fox stuff delet mine defin arm shoot revolv and semi auto colt fire faster nope faster rate fire not desir make gui duck for cover you hit thompson hose mode thi militari limit come work great movi version round burst fire simpl semi auto troop rock and roll even wast ammo short suppli enemi plenti revolv equal capabl semi auto calib stuff delet revolv good semi auto your point and thing that haven consid not familiar handgun polic depart switch glock and start quietli switch offic back revolv accid partli due poor train receiv not that glock requir rocket scientist cop baffl complex timer vcr hell glock last thing that switch thing that glock lack real safeti that thing trigger that isn great safeti that crimin outgun polic don noth firearm turn cop and hunter and pai attent not seek semi auto junk that assum for job stupid cop revolv hip and shotgun rack equip for short riot don watch show and you partial don handgun familiar rifl gun control hit you aim you whip and fire real fast you find you don hit good control fire revolv like you hit beretta inferior carri weapon ruger secur six revolv haven hit aim shot quit wrong somewher backup capac extra shot case overwhelmingli shot fire crimin encount crook overwhelmingli us crime nice simpl revolv that polic us polic prefer heftier magnum obplea don flame prefer semi auto for thing introduc unneccessari complic nerv wrack abrupt encount lone crimin had plan perfect batf spokesperson cnn fail raid attempt flame your point guess lot learn thi discuss guess assum thing bullet and that sort thing you happen you assum jason
talk.politics.guns	lethal altern handgun dougla craig holland holland colost edu write lostsa crap delet trim your articl gun lethal bullet rubber plastic bullet work stop attack last heard lethal bit misnom for thing jason democrat give your monei solv your problem republican give your monei ignor your problem libertarian your monei solv your problem steiner jupit cse utoledo edu
talk.politics.guns	pill for deer hunt jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write promis field experi thi year area countri relat chemic contracept bait for deer preliminari data suggest that thi will cost effect and human method for prevent popul habitat preliminari data similar research into kangaroo overpopul australia not support cost effect thi approach cost effect for deer you quietli overlook fact that net cost state deer hunt neg profit major hunter pai for licenc cost comparison assum that peopl emploi cull anim not fact case you figur peopl pai for licenc implant contracept pellet spread bait fair bit discuss thi recent kangaroo popul ground governor gener resid reach plagu proport despit whine rampant anim libber effect method control popul consid control shoot hunt prevent popul deer bear that justif blood lust wind onc mass product thi stuff begin anim popul can easili manag shot fire thi leav fact that peopl wood and kill thing peopl satisfact imho legitim satisfact eat food that harvest pleasur deriv hunt that you eat fruit and veget grown your garden and gener game meat freer unpleas chemic you bui butcher supermarket that motiv cannot justifi expect peta and organ us thi argument hunt ban period cannot justifi guess you mean that you person don justif fine make your opinion import legitim hunt paper fill stori senseless murder guess won chanc hell build case for rkba that will withstand public opinion necess scientif scrutini don give that silent major gun crap and will silent vote for rkba rkba last point correct politician don vote for oppos stupid legisl develop and support measur effect reduc incid violent crime won thing geoff miller miller adfa edu comput centr australian defenc forc academi
talk.politics.guns	boston gun bui back urbin interlan interlan mark urbin short thought you question author sponsor buyback program whether will check for stolen weapon and answer total amnesti note that for each firearm boston bui back will not cash monei order total amnesti can you you leav paper trail latest case denver give ticket denver nugget basketbal game traceabl monei order don haven us year that even issu weapon aren check for stolen ron
talk.politics.guns	gun american express card thoma parsli thomasp ifi uio write observ naiv norwegian yup you admir such honesti gun made kill peopl not shoot target macho stamp collect fire anschutz come back and talk you let ignor and possibl fear cloud your think that thi sour grape beat you olymp shoot event funni you biathalon natur sport for nors easi kill injur gun knife bat basebal precis that make method defens for citizenri not time train gladiu you for reason prei free time extend thi bit you level compet beat anoth rang weapon get face weapon and win difficult and requir train time averag citizen not spent year practic sword can common person arm defens isn reason kid sister even chanc beat gun gun month train that make firearm ey not wise compar two complet countri usa and island issu crime and violenc excel point perhap you aren naiv problem peopl commit crime not tool bee us into concider into consider respect quit wrong make blanket statement for weapon gener thi into consider call us aggriv assault assault deadli weapon assault intent kill attempt murder and host and tack extra prison time strict gun legisl norwai recent for enyon year bui shotgun shotgun us for hunt norwai easi accuir us gun crime norwai suspect weapon you conquer your land full millenia thought and shortli thereaft weapon weren quit common suspect that world war made differ sinc time emerg weapon tend turn donat needi curiou weapon us crime bought shortli crime aquir mean requir regist shotgun and unbeliev us gun crime fell law wear long knive public and allow come honest erik us sword slightli us short sword battlefield supremaci weapon eleventh centuri trade easi financ couldn resist you gui slice each long knive thi not problem scandinavian problem understand that you american liber view gun and violenc nuditi and sex show bare breast inst violenc and murder for that get that scandanavian and coupl gener longship us fear warrior planet mere millenia ago spend time sit spa and bit topless sunbath you had bit time and homogen cultur becom civil american histori civil human assault gun your home and handgun your car damn violent partial not homogen cultur and don identifi ourselv american and foremost proud norwegian and danish heritag suspect you couldn care that welsh blood your vein raid ireland back time scale and homogen cultur import equal import basic philosoph differ person versu collect good america individu import mass person liberti prize thi sadli chang late trust you notic thi call for freedom make law that restrict individu for collect benefit hate american hazard guess that america interest freedom and person liberti and interest collect good never arm forc anywher poor effect thi cultur that for ourselv and quit easi identifi small segment popul grandmoth tell discrimin back denmark spoke low dane spoke high dane shortli world war rememb that low dane abolish common dialect cannot fathom such minor thing problem even obviou mean identifi outsid bad english not fault keyboard softwar qualiti subtext heart get post nativ speaker help hint for educ system peopl thi annoi tendenc drop school and sell drug and kind name thoma parsli you can us great grandfath chang christian aarskog that great for get mispronounc that chang don anymor dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
talk.politics.guns	gun talk legisl updat for state lvc cbnew att larri cipriani write iowa firearm relat bill dead senat file deal duti polic offic carri conceal remain viabl power word processor and stamp work fact that state rep gener live mile constitu doesn hurt dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
talk.politics.guns	that silli outdat bill koresh and miranda articl qib flk vela ac oakland edu aweslei vela ac oakland edu aweslei write articl apr csd newshost stanford edu andi sail stanford edu andi freeman write sinc sniper fire noth equal effect yell stop that credit tank stop exist sniper fire credit stop invas martian firearm violenc and civil disord sri and snipe incid pattern violenc brandei univers lemberg center for studi violenc precis verifi sniper riot drunk fire pistol window confirm sniper die detroit sauter hine nightmar detroit rebellion sourc sauter and hine us congression hear newspap folk admit that report complet wrong excus understand amount gross neglig li never followup peopl sniper can shoot firemen shoot sniper can blow big hole build that don sniper nest worri travel sniper squad complet wast time interest curiou you that tank blow big hole build detroit don relev knowledg counter sniper tactic govt big war toi that comment couldn accomplish matter nope sniper fire come polic guard posit guard need learn don agre idea that sniper sauter hine despit forc nation guard allianc armi troop sniper not stop sniper boldli lai sieg precent polic station and pot shot seventh firemen constant harass sniper fire half close darken window high apart build and roof top not detroit not that newspap copi and admit that wrong andi
talk.politics.guns	pill for deer hunt articl utkvm utk edu utkvm utk edu david veal write articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write articl apr synaps bm hambidg bm write defens valid reason for rkba vast major life us displai firearm you miss new world report excerpt post fairli consist such poll find that approxim household firearm thi translat into individu ownership question fairli safe that you wrong vast major major firearm will claim that vast major never us even threaten lucki case thi mean averag threat level thi countri low mean protect can effect firearm name kei phrase can theori nice practic import taser chose exmpal outlaw virtual can effect gun optim condit deal your absolut averag you weapon brain never that altern mean protect involv hardwar good neighborhood good isn person arm teeth attitud and cooper good neighborhood resid make awar neighbor and notic stranger lurk good neighborhood form group crime watch increas thi effect and rel effect polic hostil arrest good neighbor step and that offic rob jone hous short altern firepow gang benific manifest that social cooper replac lead flesh flesh make conversationalist and you can invit for block parti freedom and right not depend public opinion necess scientif scrutini thi planet depend public polit opinion polit imagin that inalien right wire into vast cold cosmo purest egot and danger delus real sens govern base public approv for reason time aren public servant commonli adorn tree legal and legitimaci matter govern charter make rule govern violat violat basi for exist enforc will becom matter sole forc arm oliv north man posit worship american conserv quarter and big ron set secret govern and sort sever illeg deed kind stuff you and twenti life for walk free thi happen time fact happen that care anymor legitimaci issu legal issu long bone and mtv rat ass argument rkba can withstand scientif scrutini don thing issu percept bore statist excus sir you suggest that argument for rkba not stand scientif scrutini claim that interest statist aspect argument pure emot abort issu time young innoc gun drive time kid murder for jacket time store clerk execut for dollar chang time moron kill wife last beer fridg time hear bang night rkba di emot hard argu emot wrong argu you can win stat not that firearm and yesterdai you claim weren protect factor not strongli outweigh mindless mayhem factor oper assumpt that condit absolut govern that expans automat necessit contract firearm relat mindless mayhem will relat avail firearm becom scarc and and expens psycholog will hold us settl trivial complaint
talk.politics.guns	pill for deer hunt jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write thi planet depend public polit opinion polit imagin that inalien right wire into vast cold cosmo purest egot and danger delus hold truth evid that men creat equal that endow creator unalien right that life liberti and pursuit happi declar independ juli aaron arc cco caltech edu
talk.politics.guns	ban firearm quot apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu firearm tend fall into thi low dollar pound area not econom smuggl product local not that peopl skill and motiv assembl worthwhil firearm scratch high rank crime figur obtain import uzi and such averag person and averag thug lucki zip gun and pai nose for you don modern automat weapon you basic manufactur skill can turn high qualiti submachinegun coupl high school shop teacher recent arrest for build submachinegun school shop suggest that you librari and find copi smallarm world your entir premis base factual assumpt you bunch educ york jewish aclu lawyer fight elimin school prayer public school arkansa holli silva
talk.politics.guns	lethal altern handgun holland colost edu dougla craig holland write gun lethal bullet rubber plastic bullet work stop attack doug holland projectil travel typic bullet speed potenti lethal even blank projectil can death muzzl close proxim victim heard rubber plastic bullet us effect riot situat intent crowd control close rang defens report death caus british northern ireland us firearm for defens and law gravest situat that point deadli lethal forc proper reaction and law us effect potenti lethal forc set problem applic effect forc stop incid thi place parti risk victim attack not stop and assail sinc aggreg damag multipl applic deadli michael phelp extern mjp vnet ibm intern mjp bwa kgn ibm mjp kgnvmy and last not disclaim opinion mine
talk.politics.guns	pill for deer hunt articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write articl apr synaps bm hambidg bm write second amend sovereignti not sport good perfectli correct won make differ hmm beg differ will make big differ point defens valid reason for rkba vast major life us displai firearm mean protect can effect firearm thankfulli true that major life us firearm howver situat firearm effect mean protect mean you propos equal effect freedom and right not depend public opinion necess scientif scrutini thi planet depend public polit opinion polit imagin that inalien right wire into vast cold cosmo purest egot and danger delus thi countri polit theori ala speak principl principl attempt republican form gov futil time public and polit opinion contrari principl constitut enumer gov power and presum right major reason for thi prevent tyranni major argument rkba can withstand scientif scrutini don thing issu percept bore statist time young innoc gun drive time kid murder for jacket time store clerk execut for dollar chang time moron kill wife last beer fridg time hear bang night rkba di stat not that firearm protect factor not strongli outweigh mindless mayhem factor societi experi safer rid gun that error activ voter that thi exactli law base reason thought not percept doesn work that fortun guarante logic sometim prevail and not mean for correct activ voter concern that open question vote made you intend silenc rkba support talk you want talk good dai you us firearm such talk will charact war stori and will interest anymor you portrai scenario for futur will you silenc rkba support long public debat allow such debat will continu public debat restrict deni will gov deserv standard disclaim
talk.politics.guns	cnn for sale bill vojak read paper yestardai that ted turner trim media hold and put cnn for sale potenti bidder time warner sigh time for nra goa ccrtkba saf band togeth and bui cnn voic wouldn that sumpin broadcast truth for chang and air favor pro gun item two olx can maginot old bailei bb bi bi houston texa yob sccsi home alt cosuard
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talk.politics.guns	ban firearm articl apr sco allanh sco allan heim write papresco undergrad math uwaterloo paul prescod drug ban thi suppli will dry drug easier manufactur easier smuggl easier hide comparison us anoth exampl alcohol beverag bottl whiskei larger heavier and fragil bag drug barrel and keg larger and heavier and difficult manipul lot peopl manag rich smuggl booz into thi countri year prohibit demand entir industri form suppli beleiv thi sourc kennedi clan monei miss your argument that gun won smuggl theyr difficult manufactur smuggl and hide won wash peopl want will suppli allan heim allanh sco uunet sco allanh jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	gun american express card articl cmm thomasp surt ifi uio thoma parsli thomasp ifi uio write observ naiv norwegian gun made kill peopl not shoot target macho stamp collect easi kill injur gun knife bat basebal not wise compar two complet countri usa and island issu crime and violenc problem peopl commit crime not tool bee us into concider affect crime rate strict gun legisl norwai recent for enyon year bui shotgun shotgun us for hunt norwai easi accuir us gun crime solut restrict sale appli and regist your shotgun and unbeliev us gun crime fell rate crime fall not ban us rate violent crime that matter not tool us crime stupid law wear long knive public and allow appar that weapon choic shotgun ban that decid car choic saab and propos ban that scandinavian problem understand that you american liber view gun and violenc nuditi and sex show bare breast inst violenc and murder american histori civil human assault gun your home and handgun your car trust honest peopl for time bad english not fault keyboard softwar qualiti subtext disclam not view studen univers norwegian and univers thoma parsli thomasp ifi uio jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
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talk.politics.guns	newspap censor gun advertis recent trader sport good store stock firearm store discov print document that distribut good folk work trader btw locat san leandro grant document ask you and trader big scope thing feel that gun owner favor help thi newspap censorship you let newspap you live your life good for you not and exercis blatant censorship you read advertis newspap decid censor gun ad you longer ad that trader san leandro run for year ad run for law abid honest citizen firearm for sport us protect second amend bear arm you tire newspap run sex and liquor ad galor refus run legitim gun ad send letter editor indic your displeasur censorship doctrin list bai area newspap censor gun ad perhap you send your thought thi issu oakland tribun daili review alameda time star pob pob oak oakland hayward alameda argu tri vallei herald san leandro time decoto pob juana av fremont pleasanton san leandro contra costa time san mateo time san francisco chronicl pob pob mission walnut creek san mateo san francisco san fran independ san fran examin san jose mercuri new evan av ridder park san fran san fran san jose six page fact can not valid fact and sourc feel and sound true topic headlin big media snow job blame firearm for murder blame hospit for death us nazi journalist techniqu cb and abc prove that hospit death nbc cb and abc scam american peopl gun control american journal base nazi journal journalist lie govern network succeed plai group gun law unconstitut american gun law base nazi gun law govern devid and conquer cia your firearm and for six page media put gun dealer busi limit exposur potenti custom and prevent custom read sale ammunit and firearm for sport hunt recreat us you write bozo peter nesbitt air traffic control pnesbitt mcimail oakland bai tracon cbr pilot nra member ccx magnum carrier
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talk.politics.guns	ban firearm articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write firearm tend fall into thi low dollar pound area numer denomin fluctuat dollar gun suppli restrict weight gun significantli technolog improv don you basi assert thi not econom smuggl product local not that peopl skill and motiv assembl worthwhil firearm scratch skill easili taught modicum mechan aptitud and motiv need monei gun ban thi motiv kick big time not moneymak proposit for machin shop make gun side ain rebuild engin ban gun and watch happen you schedul year advanc your brake resurfac
talk.politics.guns	ban firearm firearm tend fall into thi low dollar pound area not econom smuggl product local not that peopl skill and motiv assembl worthwhil firearm scratch high rank crime figur obtain import uzi and such averag person and averag thug lucki zip gun and pai nose for thi not born realiti soviet union had domest handgun and submachinegun trade gun that commerci grade produc honest good machineshop product local don road system that envi world recal incid past chines entreprenaur attempt smuggl semi auto into thi countri import number limit gunweek read that year ago person high school draft skill and vocat school machineshop train produc submachinegun you talk averag person not even zip gun that privat cnc control machineri that not us for shift dai you that gun sold black market for enterpris mechan engin that machineri produc workabl submachinegun for sale gunweek had articl and pictur batf for manufactur quit effici silenc that commerci qualiti and finish thi household handgun half for defens you talk potenti market ten million peopl seek firearm for purpos preserv fool that market not fill govern prohibit
talk.politics.guns	arm citizen april iftccu talk polit gun kendal ld loral colin kendal apr articl apr dazixco ingr crphilli hound dazixca ingr write arm citizen mere presenc firearm shot fire prevent crime instanc shown new report arm citizen perhap note that account cite shot fire twelv describ case assail wound shot and six describ case assail kill shot follow month post reader note report bia month number revers don constant talli thi issu had shot fire can rememb rick
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talk.politics.guns	proper gun control proper gun control gun american express card iftccu talk polit gun mikei ccwf utexa edu strider apr held knife gun hell you manag that you haven offer watch thi knife vers gun bit for even contribut comment thi stuff face knife gun come ignor us pretti thing educ peopl not rule understand deadli knive can quickli you can kill peopl don understand that take inch penetr area quick minut death death rate handgun and knive percentag point each peopl not realiz deadli knive luck and injur knive gun deadli singl direct and advantag that remot control weapon contact weapon such knife control spheric area feet diamet peopl never knife wound slice finger accid feet knife even match for holster gun experienc hand even knife wielder moder skill insid feet knife match for drawn gun knife utterli silent never jam and never run ammunit limit speed dexter skill and abil wielder crimin gener young fast and strong interest note that pattern slash attack us martial artist remark resembl wild uncontrol slash attack novic talk train martial artist unanim agre that knife simpli plan cut hopefulli not bad attack practic firearm requir facil and equip practic knive requir small area and simul knife popsicl stick tooth brush crimin practic knife attack prison you not train knive firearm and not realiz fact inkl you will that wrong knife rip your throat case experienc attack part your bodi fall ground year man arthriti can close that yard distanc and gut you and half second denni tueller broken leg walk cast manag two peopl close that distanc and strike second weight and slow can second morgu footag peopl kill edg weapon that you not singl stab wound chest tabl fork thi case attack us handl not point end add thi fact that hand gun stop power larg myth case central nervou system shot round that destroi skelet structur take anywher twelv second for bullet wound effect thi true even heart shot case polic woman record survivor shot heart that ladi not kill attack chase shot fire had shot struck perp atta girl bullet enter downward angl apex heart diaphragm clip liver and destroi spleen exit back leav tenni ball size hole di six time oper tabl hospit dai and back full duti month duti time and not wear vest home happen gun doesn civilian right sigh moral stori that even you manag shoot knife attack you plan dodg good altern shoot for and break pelvi peopl can walk broken leg broken pelvi will anchor firearm school recommend pelvi shot contact weapon target larg tradit center mass and reliabl stop contact weapon assum calib power job hot will thi rememb folk idea isn you for you live and fail consequ for thi reason kill isn goal case even good aliv don want face violent attack sort know can rightli face knife gun depend attack and pick and choos wouldn thi bottom line crimin not fear law crimin not fear weapon fear citizen weapon that shown resolut and determin take rick
talk.politics.guns	proper gun control proper gun control gun american express card iftccu talk polit gun hai ssd intel kirk hai apr pro gun poster thi group gun dread termin aka rifleman own firearm for year post thi group exampl good point kirk respond email coupl post and gosh darn civil thi hap time firearm relationship turn that peopl not crimin start act respons onc chanc rick
talk.politics.guns	pill for deer hunt articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write articl apr synaps bm hambidg bm write second amend sovereignti not sport good perfectli correct won make differ agre sad true defens valid reason for rkba vast major life us displai firearm mean protect can effect firearm name freedom and right not depend public opinion necess scientif scrutini thi planet depend public polit opinion polit imagin that inalien right wire into vast cold cosmo purest egot and danger delus bill right base delus argument rkba can withstand scientif scrutini don thing issu percept bore statist time young innoc gun drive time kid murder for jacket time store clerk execut for dollar chang time moron kill wife last beer fridg time hear bang night rkba di stat not that firearm protect factor not strongli outweigh mindless mayhem factor societi experi safer rid gun that error activ voter that thi not true practic uneth politician not pass gun control law politician gener whore public opinion thi not mean public inform correct for stat can support stat stat sometim even us support conflict side issu you intend silenc rkba support talk you want talk good dai you us firearm such talk will charact war stori and will interest anymor us firearm arm insurrect const envis somewhat fanat approach avoid thi polit protest option thi point agre that argueabl not and late fail pvc pipe and cosmolin chri miller chri morningstar opinion and definit not reflect opinion
talk.politics.guns	gun control articl apr beaver washington edu graham washington edu stephen graham write articl qhpcn transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write similar structur educ elector for secur free state peopl and read book not infring thi mean elector can and read book mean regist voter can and read book mean vote can and read book impli restrict and read book impli that state had regul and enforc educ that nice doesn answer question differ fed can mandat literaci and fed can interfer literaci book possess john public gun suprem court rule case such miller and verdugo urquidez that that exactli amend protect thi interpret can found back dred scott case worth note that miller sustain miller convict possess illeg firearm note that saw shotgun not proper militia weapon miller support limit govern regul firearm miller court noth kind remand case back trial court miller court didn weapon question militia weapon doesn bother that major constitut issu case defens miller had releas appeal court and disappear govt repres don happen reason gun militia weapon argument andi
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talk.politics.guns	gun control articl apr synaps bm hambidg bm write word regul milita secur free state present participl us adject modifi militia main claus sentenc subject verb assert that and bear arm essenti for maintain milita free state agre half amend modifi noun militia difinit modifi that appli regul modifi militia qualifi limit mean for exampl wet modif dai phrase wet dai amend similiar statement wet dai annoi peopl and wear boot not infring dry dai pertain us boot similiar unorgan militia due gun sentenc second amend doesn restrict state impli possess peopl make posit statement peopl peopl you and fourth ninth tenth second amend exist thi assum not grant amend state impli condit relat bear arm necess regul militia secur word entir sentenc that and bear arm uncondit not uncondit not infring infring defin break ignor term oblig oath agreement law disreguard violat boundari limit tresspass encroach thi definit impli form exist agreement law and agreement made advanc boundari limit behavior set societi word uncondit impli agreement previou agreement opposit word us amend stronger congress make law stronger impli uncondit writer amend want uncondit whai didn congress make law pertain peopl and bear arm second amend impli sort contract peopl peopl and state bigger part contract peopl overthrew govern and law time guarante thi law cannot stop peopl form regut militia duti regul militia govern descuss federalist and limit government control militia descuss articl section articl section and second amend constitut modern document john lawrenc rutledg smart index and hyper link stretch research assist world data net terribl frustrat flip back and interact media group page and crude flat illustr that comput scienc depart never even move anim umass lowel arrow zoom in complet lack univers av for sound lowel baffl problem word normal text you touch unfamiliar word and definit jrutledg ulowel edu pop below david brin earth
talk.politics.guns	militia incred long articl qna transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write articl ulowel ulowel edu jrutledg ulowel edu john lawrenc rutledg write you knew organ requir train larg group poepl twice year peopl year provid basic train peopl can integr into forc and find suitabl locat requir continu stand committe organ respons rutledg argu that sinc local and feder govern abandon charter support such activ and pass law prohibit privat organ that elimin basi for rkba contrari understand game strengthen origin argu that second amend bit and anachron prohibit law exampl anachron law made repres peopl repres peopl decid that second amend not appli broad case sinc repres feel uncondit interpret not want probabl that major peopl feel thi exampl peopl power govern thi not peopl feel peopl stand and state wish mox nix rutledg you claim that rkba depend exist top flight regul militia thi fals assumpt post number time simpl state that peopl join organ militia and state that militia that meet onc twice year organ and thi state readi that claim peopl state readi expect militia state hamilton modern document john lawrenc rutledg smart index and hyper link stretch research assist world data net terribl frustrat flip back and interact media group page and crude flat illustr that comput scienc depart never even move anim umass lowel arrow zoom in complet lack univers av for sound lowel baffl problem word normal text you touch unfamiliar word and definit jrutledg ulowel edu pop below david brin earth
talk.politics.guns	fyi batf repli waco articl elit intel dgw elit intel denni willson write march strongli word letter critis batf handl randi weaver and branch davidian case politician or senat bob packwood and mark hatfield repres elizabeth furs and treasuri secretari lloyd bentsen never support bob packwood admit that round file letter didn bother write boxer feinstein eshoo terribl trio allegli repres wrote bentsen letter not exactli strongli word simpli state that batf approach immor militari style assault fire into hous knew kid apar bentsen forward letter batf and respond directli follow text your repli pretti close intend send anoth letter directli return prior servic feder search warrant numer effort made locat and effect arrest david koresh compound effort unsuccess even david koresh had arrest compound action requir follow violent subsequ search premis thi section not letter that receiv part atf logo and steenk badg loss element surpris not includ sincer daniel can make signatur deputi director gui bad handwrit appar sign letter for richard garner chief special oper divis don
talk.politics.guns	lethal altern handgun iftccu talk polit gun steiner jupit boe apr dougla craig holland holland colost edu write lostsa crap delet trim your articl gun lethal bullet rubber plastic bullet work stop attack last heard lethal bit misnom for thing you legal system sinc thing can lethal you hard time explain you appli lethal forc you didn you thought lethal forc you wouldn rubber bullet you ouch you justifi shoot you justifi defens ammunit you can your hand improv legal outcom thi hollow point hold court safer for you safer for innoc stander don rule perp and safer for perp you militari hard ball you shoot time two hollow point stop and job rule fewer wound channel chanc for surviv incid rick
talk.politics.guns	gun lover gun american express card hell glock last thing that switch thing that glock lack real safeti that thing trigger that isn great safeti you get warmer thing trigger depress trigger can move thi mean damn thing won trigger pull thi make problem assum gun function correctli safe revolv gun work correctli total drop safe polic work thi consider not singl document case awar polic offic kill fail oper safeti firearm quit document case crimin hold cop gun and couldn figur safeti time us gun proprietari natur safeti crimin like prevent offic get shot purpos safeti make gun safe unintent fire thi not mean complic slow intent us glock safeti perfectli adequ safeti standpoint not necessarili desir standpoint open carri easili grab thi criteria make lot sens conceal carri piec standpoint polic us wors revolv proprietari offic method fire ideal solut somedai biometr sens user that firearm can us owner for wide varieti safeti system help crimin happen familiar that type firearm rick
talk.politics.guns	gun lover gun american express card iftccu talk polit gun vincent cad gatech edu vincent fox apr thi isn rec gun thi get bet technic can resist revolv advantag that misfir you pull trigger sometim depend misfir doubl action revolv almost can hand cock will fire pull trigger can imagin combat type shoot singl action misfir revolv mean you pull trigger rotat round assum cylind will rotat revolv can carri chamber empti and hammer for maximum safeti can drawn and fire easi motion even hand never hurt err side safeti you fangl hammer block transfer bar safeti unnecessarili redund extra round speedload for revolv reload almost fast magazin semi auto can faster depend user quit true speed loader conveni pack magazin misfir semi auto will requir you clear jam shell time spent can fatal and vital second lost you realiz hei jam start clear true thi train function semi auto slide work chamber round and cock hammer polic carri semi auto chamber load and hammer cock safeti engag not thi safe you trade safeti speed employ revolv cock and lock for singl action hammer doubl action carri mode that make sens seri colt for exampl quit safe carri thi doubl action semi auto complex oper requir train agre that shot mouth bit back thi true that simpl misfir revolv doesn cost you hand had sort interest thing happen year for exampl had factori ammunit that had high primer high primer will tie your revolv second minut you pound action open clear problem auto jack slide and continu had bullet come case keep cylind turn clear paragraph worst that can happen semi auto doubl feed thi can clear second revolv fragil semi auto sort close toler part and fit involv drop gun blow gun sort thing can action problem that can cure spot qualiti semi auto gun smith for revolv short revolv like malfunct rule you fight major malfunct that occur semi auto not fall into that categori vincint make good point thi post leav oppos view real good start place ayoob semi auto pistol for polic and defens gener agre revolv excel gun and defens weapon for that not time and inclin that for train and practic need us semi auto effect defens arm cop notori indiffer firearm depart isn train aren time doubt that train issu amount train requir for effect us semi auto time that revolv cop don bother for hate limit pick fit person inclin wear that dai and moder rec gun bui that admit that advic peopl think bui defens arm take class ruger smith revolv colt fan colt revolv thi post had argu for revolv rick
talk.politics.guns	pill for deer hunt iftccu talk polit gun jrm gnv ifa ufl edu apr vast major life us displai firearm suppos that depend you defin vast major you correct major and will period live experi violent assault risk gener higher emerg medic problem heart attack and stroke vast loos term approxim american firearm each year year period roughli sinc thi onc million american experi firearm for defens yield percent popul that real rough estim closer million minor and includ etc percentag low rate minor group thi rang not refer tini minor don part group can refer vast major work support simpl major american never us displai firearm you talk ownership you wrong half your fellow citizen firearm mean protect can effect firearm provid list mean that effect you convinc your local polic depart switch good luck rick
talk.politics.guns	gun backcountri articl aad uinpla npl uiuc edu reimer uinpla npl uiuc edu paul reimer write articl qkftjinnoij cronkit cisco pitargu cisco marciano pitargu write stuff delet peopl and your factoid shoot victim count come due automobil accid and automobil crime outlaw car marciano pitargu cisco lot automobil accid atleast regul combat thi such drunk driver back road time kill driver licens process not work for thi driver licens had driver safeti class you want you underag licens drive public road car regist driven public road segment properti live liabil insur drive and car had accid public road hmm wouldn manditori saftei class registr owner and gun and manditori liabil insur nice for gun owner perhap gave permiss shoot public road and park paul reimer reimer uinpluxa npl uiuc edu jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	gun articl apr vax oxford jaj vax oxford write you turkei pro pistol and automat weapon fanat don realiz that rest laugh you you don make angri you make chuckl steve nice that you find laughabl don quit understand you firearm clash wear that nra sticker isn straight state your judgement find sad that peopl won accept respons defend and laugh contempt you for sheep expect govern protect didn realiz that photo back truck and show friend back vancouv canada origin peopl guffaw basic stupid such sticker and even greater stupid person put place you and your friend sound bunch smug intellectu that live britain can rest civil world perceiv you gun nut moron guess you wait for you know academ like solv world problem you answer punch line thi case problem that canada hear suffer your nation eccentr that easi purchas weapon smuggl cross border not yanke thing canadian uncivil american hell britain cop don even carri gun wouldn matter wouldn us hell recal peopl court even rusti carri gun never plaintiff nut you shouldn wast your time watch steve will corrupt your mind you gun nut rush limbaugh fan your diatrib bradi and evil liber media plot you damn funni you provid endless amount entertain your argument and exampl allow carri piec chuckl ditto you righteou lai your derogatori tirad thick steve can laugh and feel safe and secur steve johan
talk.politics.guns	remind denver ralli tomorrow monster ralli for and carri weapon tomorrow sundai april denver libertarian parti will sponsor ralli state capitol support individu and carri weapon speaker will includ colorado deputi attornei gener david kopel radio host ken hamblin dlp chair david segal pistol instructor lenda jackson and novelist neil smith your presenc and particip highli for inform call david segal cathi smith opinion
talk.politics.guns	militia incred long articl ulowel ulowel edu jrutledg ulowel edu john lawrenc rutledg write articl qna transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write respons rutledg argu that sinc local and feder govern abandon charter support such activ and pass law prohibit privat organ that elimin basi for rkba contrari understand game strengthen origin argu that second amend bit and anachron prohibit law exampl anachron law made repres peopl repres peopl decid that second amend not appli broad case sinc repres feel uncondit interpret not want probabl that major peopl feel thi exampl peopl power govern thi not peopl feel peopl stand and state wish point that point difficult amend process requir super major chang suprem law make imposs for major peopl simpli chang law whim simpli chang mean base repres peopl effect destroi amend process state you entitl that process mox nix rutledg you claim that rkba depend exist top flight regul militia thi fals assumpt post number time simpl state that peopl join organ militia note that that consid protect amend protect peac assembl you militia inher peac state thing twice david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.guns	gun articl apr vax oxford jaj vax oxford write you turkei pro pistol and automat weapon fanat don realiz that rest laugh you you don make angri you make chuckl that nice strive for entertain remeb bellingham washington and pick truck front car that friend and had bumper sticker proclaim gun control firm grip that that wanker thought pretti cool didn realiz that photo back truck and show friend back vancouv canada origin peopl guffaw basic stupid such sticker and even greater stupid person put place place you realiz feel wai canadian laugh and american simpli shrug and woner hell state place knew your gun mart superstor place experi sight peopl put gun and ammo into shop cart didn drove vega last year interest strategi post complaint peopl that live britain can rest civil world perceiv you gun nut moron courtesi appar dead commod rest civil world gun nut moron bbc recent refer american penchant for pistol automat weapon etc appropri call nation eccentr gun monarch and economi verg collaps finger point across atlantici wast time problem that canada hear suffer your nation eccentr that easi purchas weapon smuggl cross border canada blame for problem for year simpl fact matter thi ten year ago crow great system rid gun and into divin light shine north point that cultur differ and point pre control crime rate point that histori entir world contain smuggl and that whenev want smuggl problem base gun surfac year canadian crimin want gun and provid canada version drug problem drug prohibit hell britain cop don even carri gun that anoth funni thing you border guard and belt ton spare ammo never canadian shopper hand hell recal peopl court even rusti carri gun never plaintiff nut new report britain that arm crime rise and polic agenc perman firearm offic deal new world report british handgun death risen past twelv year number drop smuggl across border yeah that ticket cya nice dai steve learn common courtesi and polit david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.guns	gun backcountri articl aad uinpla npl uiuc edu reimer uinpla npl uiuc edu paul reimer write articl qkftjinnoij cronkit cisco pitargu cisco marciano pitargu write stuff delet peopl and your factoid shoot victim count come due automobil accid and automobil crime outlaw car marciano pitargu cisco lot automobil accid atleast regul combat thi driver licens had driver safeti class tennesse not requir sort safeti class driver licens that requir twenti question quiz and drive car block crash licens drive probabl you don you requir licens drive public road licens not privat properti car regist state not requir registr car that not us public road that california for tax purpos live liabil insur drive and car had accid state not requir thi and make thi requir for public road car sit unus not requir insur hmm wouldn manditori saftei class registr owner and gun and manditori liabil insur nice for gun owner two not point signific differ make rule for us public properti and make rule for ownership half object trust similar thing thi local jurisd across countri and abus case safeti class never shedul never fund two held year for limit number particip registr list york chicago and california us for confisc gun owner theori support plane number overwhelmingli show that compet not problem that intent misus simpli abus and leeri person come pike reason suggest abus david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.guns	crimin machinegun pick hold foot your face and close saftei lever two posit numer intern differ sinc field strip weapon not valid thi discuss conclus extern differ distinguish close close rang david bixler auburn univers standard disclaim appli
talk.politics.guns	gun backcountri articl lrpq idacom gui idacom gui trotter write canada gun that enter nation park seal small metal tag that trigger net result thi that you can us gun protect bear psycho nation park sensit danger and annoy hike bear countri and precaut thi polici make user nation park feel closer natur that part natur and such deal natur term gui understand thi philosophi bear nation treasur area sanctuari and peopl enter risk that that rare human kill bear that bear provok shot unbear savvi visitor bear aren popul explos human that human kill endang bear don agre thi philosopi understand psycho bit not nation treasur suppos decis made that provis for defens provis for defens bear suppos decid that for rare human kill psycho chanc threaten bear person wouldn into area manag reduc safeti come guess live manag wilder joan
talk.politics.guns	gun control articl apr mtu edu cescript mtu edu charl scripter write articl ulowel ulowel edu jrutledg ulowel edu john lawrenc rutledg wrote excel exchang delet reason for second amend give peopl protect govern guarante that peopl can govern bit anachron thi dai and ag time thi and amend constitut appropri abraham lincoln inaugur address march thi countri institut belong peopl inhabit whenev grow weari exist govern can exercis constitut amend revolutionari dismemb overthrow rep elbridg gerri massachusett spoken floor debat second amend annal congress august sir us militia prevent establish stand armi bane liberti whenev govern mean invad right and liberti peopl attempt destroi militia order rais armi ruin categori rutledg mean destroi liberti and right find hard understand come peopl apparantli not connect govern privileg will great length redefinit interpret full bore attempt throw protect right constitut almost make lem run into sea lem year that jefferson and madison folk govern great thing drawn washington centr power will render powerless check provid govern anoth and will becom venal and oppress govern separ thoma jefferson excel quot pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
talk.politics.guns	gun backcountri articl qpavfinn clem handheld jmd cube handheld jim arra write articl aad uinpla npl uiuc edu reimer uinpla npl uiuc edu paul reimer write articl qkftjinnoij cronkit cisco pitargu cisco marciano pitargu write stuff delet peopl due automobil accid and automobil crime outlaw car lot automobil accid atleast regul combat thi such drunk driver back road time kill driver licens process not work for thi can testifi thi cousin spent week hospit and friend kill drunk driver son back street offic scene that driver safeti class you want you underag licens drive public road car regist driven public road segment properti live liabil insur drive and car had accid public road and thi doesn work offer uninsur motorist coverag hmm wouldn manditori saftei class registr owner and gun and manditori liabil insur nice for gun owner object mandatori registr don trust govern not us inform give for purpos licens carri conceal pistol home state never ask whether own firearm safeti class issu permit carri provid such class regularli public place time reserv and competit rifl team count perhap gave permiss shoot public road and park hei that idea paul reimer jim you agenda privat ownership firearm you want harass person legal defend exercis right defend oneself famili and concern state alabama concern don you push for stricter prosecut us firearm commiss crime point aren nail dui hard compar countri seldom work european attitud alchohol and dui work attitud weapon isn valid comparison histor populac disarm and submiss countri found bunch rug individualist told european monarchi for part fly leap us polit languag even weasel intern treati and convinc french that interest not complain had overcom fact that brit restrict squirrel gun and such properli submiss forc pai for war american histori class dai tend gloss fact that not fit imag convei glad amer hist teacher libertarian had review good portion federalist paper and debat origin and mean rambl jame jame cochran danger doubt run thi space prism gatech edu circl scream and shout for rent
talk.politics.guns	cnn for sale gorman time for nra goa ccrtkba saf band togeth and bui cnn voic wouldn that sumpin broadcast truth for chang and air favor pro gun item two thi happen don will don averag gun owner will notic happen break door will record publicli effect that will contribut minimum bui fund can organ and made viabl want put monei mouth million gun owner and big and not realist hold cnn anti gun bullshit stop won happen will ass and make happen nut nra headquart weeni listen thi man rtkba organ honcho listen time stop fight bradi and schumer interest mean acronynm comfort offic had time and monei and pack olx gun control advoc had saniti pass old bailei bb bi bi houston texa yob sccsi home alt cosuard
talk.politics.guns	carri arm articl apr spdc dwhite epcot spdc dan white write question second amend that bother for awhil amend guarente and bear arm gun prohibitionist restrict elimin arm bradi bill and assault weapon ban haven lost bear arm that state texa citizen gun and carri home busi citizen sever restrict bear area texa you cannot carri your car travel defin travel across counti line thi come court rule legal restrict carri weapon home not that texan state such law found violat state constitut feder second amend not appli directli state written limit feder govern fourteenth amend written extend restrict bill right state level exact word fourteenth amend vagu suprem court danc issu face directli for year practic bill indirectli appli fourteenth appli state govern suprem court rule that provis court made such rule second amend frank crari boulder
talk.politics.guns	amend dead good articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write bulk firarem us unworthi and unnesessari oppon posessa cool jakcet you want argu you park space your woman short trivial and worthless that open for debat excess number peopl murder year peopl save innoc live firearm media don happen thi ruin you recoveri futur feder martial will come for your arm feder marshal will you you danger think crimin thi your fault crap simplist think part feather head dolt amend dead accept thi find anoth nut don
talk.politics.guns	amend dead good articl qrn ainn clem handheld jmd cube handheld jim arra write amend dead accept thi find anoth ain dead and even repeal rememb protect rkba not grant right addit law pass outlaw gun possess even outlaw privat posess firearm moral forc that law imagin complianc low don
talk.politics.guns	gun articl apr vax oxford jaj vax oxford write you turkei pro pistol and automat weapon fanat don realiz that rest laugh you you pretti hilari love you brit kiss royal ars that you will throw freedom speech for sake protect reput royal slut that british govern advertis american newspap send gun defend british home british civilian face threat invas desper arm for defens home wwii american rifleman novemb that obscen public act and misus drug act us justif for polic seiz masterpiec such william burrough junki hunter thompson fear and loath la vega and tom wolf electr kool aid acid test british court never recogn assembl demonstr that evid obtain form coerc confess allow trial that feloni warrant trial juri that suspect terrorist prove innoc govern prove guilt that secretari state issu exclusionari order bar enter part unit kingdom such northern ireland wale that bbc ban paul mccartnei give ireland back irish john lennon give peac chanc gulf war england funni and pathet knew your gun mart superstor place experi sight peopl put gun and ammo into shop cart didn drove vega last year laughter deal thing find uncomfort thought la vega show girl ad la vega street corner pretti funni strang and wonder thing thi countri wouldn that live britain can rest civil world perceiv you gun nut moron bbc recent refer american penchant for pistol automat weapon etc appropri call nation eccentr don disagre that don bad problem that canada hear suffer your nation eccentr that easi purchas weapon smuggl cross border didn come come disguis cocain you gun nut rush limbaugh fan your diatrib bradi and evil liber media plot you damn funni you provid endless amount entertain your argument and exampl allow carri piec chuckl you can laugh you want for matter life death don find that funni for england alli becom open britain grow secret and censori perhap real british vice passiv willing toler constraint find unbearbl britain unfre countri terrenc dequesn and edward goodman larri cipriani cipriani att
talk.politics.guns	gun good riddanc articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write vote your consid abomin matter hard you public opinion set rkba nope northern california newspap recent survei ask peopl favor stricter gun control full liber wasn swear word area countri half peopl don want addit control alon revoc rkba thi end finish clinton administr your rkba will null and void tough titti misguid dolt maintain danger bush clinton not publicli support revok second amend surrend your arm offic will collect resist useless will overwhelm you time your neighbor will not you will you threat abstract crimin neighbor fuck bad you kkk violent solut pass avoid situat encourag crimin you will safe such violent solut pass you propos disarm polic don mention rkba breath kkk rkba defend and not kill innoc your mention kkk funni that gun control law creat specif disarm black peopl don
talk.politics.guns	gun american express card articl cmm thomasp surt ifi uio thoma parsli thomasp ifi uio write driver licenc forgot that usa land car get scandinavia and northern europ not easi averag time hour train and cost licens requir for drive car exclus privat properti such farm unit state licens requir for us public road abus gover thi main problem harder gun control abus gover you paranoid offenc you gover you elect nation million peopl issu and two candid for offic presid will abus mild gun control law and creat facto ban major peopl object and elect voter issu civil right minor health care etc and vote for lesser two evil don thi matter paranoia sinc local govern for exampl york and chicago abus exist mild gun control law creat virtual ban gun crimin weapon us crimin todai stolen crimin can not bui weapon that point gun control case unit state adaqu gun control law feder statist gun wield crimin legal purchas gun licens dealer that point gun control prevent crimin legal purchas gun america doesn addit law accomplish thi mix weapon and thing that can us meant that car can kill not gun thi gun legal purpos for own and gun tool for hunt target shoot and defenc car murder isn even common us murder ax you impos regul that ment us tree and that ax not problem axer couldn imagin american public accept regul ax polit nation america strong opposit intrus law that primarili effect averag law abid citizen had not wrong situat lo angel peopl bui gun protect thi good situat rigth deal problem good deal problem excel deal short term problem riot and violent attack doesn for long term issu that start riot thi point can individu long term social problem bui gun protect crimin and neighbor gun you will happen mean had gun usa survei gun american home part countri thi closer place almost own gun averag safer gun common last word respons gun owner not problem will affect you want protect your citicen thi fundament differ american govern and that nation not accept punish restrict averag law abid citizen name vagu common good frank crari boulder
talk.politics.guns	you shoot articl uicvm uic edu jason kratz uicvm uic edu write heard opinion thi subject and hear peopl net you situat you pull gun you give chanc decid continu action and you end shoot and kill question you you stai and wait for cop you collect your brass you semi auto and provid you don that you data point tennesse friend mine and polic offic essenti recommend that you can fade even you perfectli justifi you like for great deal hassl side note carri gun conceal misdemeanor kind law book thi type situat like thing happen you you stai and wait and offens happen you you and you caught state thing pretti david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.guns	gun good riddanc articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write you loos question vote your consid abomin matter hard you public opinion set rkba not survei shown public think type gun control accept individu and bear arm and that polic not discret and not firearm thi end finish clinton administr your rkba will null and void end clinton administr lot thing will screw hell england tough titti tough titti eloqu you for your claim clinton big fight ahead think pass comprehens gun legisl will sign bradi bill get desk will can that happen modifi such that accept you had discov wai make firearm that not and that won give legal illeg american will firearm number unregist weapon york citi million aren even close that number violent crimin number case firearm abus ruin your gov stop violent crime violent crimin jail for long long time belong let earli releas noth you can hei can into polit feel live sword die don thi bit press you public vote public you flow histori you thi snore advic rkba brit surrend your arm offic will collect resist useless you watch star trek thi understand attitud brit you subject state will overwhelm you time not necessarili wai resist oppress get caught gov your neighbor will not you will you threat abstract crimin abstract crimin kill rel mine work carri fuck bad you kkk violent solut pass undesir sometim unavoid you don want resist crimin attack mean noth will chanc resist violent attack and stand chanc unharm noth avoid situat encourag crimin you will safe such joke crimin want disarm popul can you crimin prei mean defens larri cipriani cipriani att
talk.politics.guns	amend dead good articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write yea million case yoi that firearm deter crimin ala thi not provabl not provabl provabl number vote vast for bill clinton last elect you accept inform you can prove you refus accept noth provabl that that case thi fine support your assert you haven support assert nation crime survei that secret arm nra estim and gun defens assault and consid consider report broken weapon form defens includ dow noth effect avoid injuri death bulk firarem us unworthi and unnesessari oppon posessa cool jakcet you want argu you park space your woman short trivial and worthless support thi assert hell support thi ruin you recoveri that nice futur feder martial will come for your arm that nice amend dead accept thi find anoth earth you correct noth lose continu argu and gain david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.guns	gun american express card articl cmm thomasp surt ifi uio thoma parsli thomasp ifi uio write abus gover thi main problem harder gun control abus gover you paranoid offenc parsli except thi verifi previou exampl level govern abus gun control restrict don paranoid worri that abus recent past abus thye futur time get burn sane person will stop put hand stove you gover you elect love long politician grab power sell pork back constitu not lot can silli suggest that can trust govern and govern allow chang govern that road li total govern power never fan totalitarian gun crimin weapon us crimin todai stolen thi like crimin can not bui weapon that point gun control and gun control strict scandinavia and europ dont problem smuggl gun north american contin not europ matter peopl drug illeg and for year canada crow gun control control gun contin canada had compar rate don you can canadian border magic mexican border shorter and heavili patrol can accept that argument mix weapon and thing that can us meant that car can kill not gun approxim death due gun two third suicid don suicid rate for norwai thi make per gun death rate half per car death rate issu hope agre that crimin main problem gun not problem us and for thi discus interest you jugoslavia weapon rigth and us kill innoc peopl problem human not gun problem human sinc had stone ax fct matter simpli thi assault whether weapon sort total irrelev weapon built suggest that murder impuls human pre date weapon bosnian make excel attempt kill each for half thousand year take gun even halt kill reduc brutal murder ax you impos regul that ment us tree and that ax not problem axer exampl don flame not exactli kill gun approxim murder commit firearm handgun handgun reason that gun per not problem that gun rate exce europ countri entir violent crime rate don knive fist case exampl gun control appli abkect failur drug prohibit and form prohibit you deal peopl you won solv your problem and problem violent crime you shouldn concentr tool vast major gun never misus order entir lifetim gun thi that you can make argument that gun misus situat lo angel peopl bui gun protect thi good situat situat not good that peopl fear for live recal scene store owner last riot protect shop gun lost livelihood rigth deal problem problem poverti and rage lo angel isn that problem becom violent action can whether not person hurt condit won make dead burn hous you examin problem you refer you discuss violent assault you perfectli legitim respons make stop hopefulli simpli let you prepar shoot mention store owner bui gun protect crimin and neighbor gun you will happen mean had gun usa household form firearm long gun that account for level access for million american firearm ownership like educ white group like involv violent crime you that for worth david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.guns	you shoot articl uicvm uic edu jason kratz uicvm uic edu write you situat you pull gun you give chanc decid continu action and you end shoot and kill question you you stai and wait for cop you collect your brass you semi auto and provid you don that you for obviou choic arm defenc and strongli protect colorado constitut and law state clear cut situat your hypothet wouldn fear polic had publicli carri weapon conceal not habit even worst deal class misdemeanor even situat not clear and worri arrest for manslaught homicid safer wait for polic leav and avoid polic involv commit feloni and ruin chanc claim defenc court defenc prosecut you run and hide polic state thi decis not clear cut washington us gun defenc automat guilti feloni violat that citi gun control law such person choic convict for coupl feloni versu convict for half dozen frank crari boulder
talk.politics.guns	gun good riddanc articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write surrend your arm offic will collect resist useless will overwhelm you time you you didn mean post alt french captain borg borg borg you rush home hear kruschev call come papa jrm gnv ifa ufl edu endeavor construct mnemon memori circuit stone knive and bearskin spock humbl typesett
talk.politics.guns	tank civilian that silli outdat bill koresh articl scottj iamac dml georgetown edu scottj magic dml georgetown edu john scott write pick nit tank fire main gun not delet point miss that apparantli accept for big govern big brother us tank control peopl long don us big gun allright tank deploi civilian alon fire crew serv weaponri heavi machin gun crew serv press and govern howl instantli countri civilian that shot time light small arm noth that place peopl tank real danger molotov coctail round rifl pistol deal approach and sniper turn strai cop guard armi gunfir don peopl thi group net idea tank us control civilian that pretend free societi outrag big govern feel us that kind forc stomp protest even violent citizen that suggest that govern total control sinc that effect govern declar war peopl govern live respons govern peopl peopl not lord and elit want good thing citizen wouldn feel resort act that squash militari boot peopl thing that becom convinc that option that remain attempt grievanc redress and crimin element that will exploit thi fact remain that govern unrespons such act wouldn apt happen not excus open civilian tank heavi machin gun make philosophi that hallmark govern rogu don tough will simpli squash iron boot address grievanc token fashion huge volum hot air inconveni sort variat mushroom manag dark smother shit and crush readi and folk that liber arrang thing that will monopoli coerciv forc firearm that expens toi gut bill right cuz isn progress doesn fit modern think anymor unbeliev and amid smoke confus etc real riot situat that for tank fire main gun into build close rang hear explos explos loud not stand pound bomb tactic nuke hole blown wall and rubbl tank knock wall and sourc build turn into rubbl and cover racket such gunfir includ tack not stand that and explain musta ga leak and not report such condit not tank drive quiet street sundai afternoon turn and fire you that stand and pretti imposs cover john scott pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
talk.politics.guns	gun good riddanc jrm gnv ifa ufl edu wrote you loos question vote your consid abomin matter hard you public opinion set rkba care show real number hci make thought foam mouth shout noth thi end finish clinton administr your rkba will null and void tough titti wait and that won you quit satisifi live your fantasi snip case firearm abus ruin your noth you snip press you public vote public you flow histori you thi not true ignor and afraid understand accept and deal real problem thi violent societi propos gun control band aid solut refresh your memori quot prez clintion crimin stupid hei cut budget for prison remind promis second thought bother surrend your arm offic will collect resist useless will overwhelm you time your neighbor will not you will you threat abstract crimin oooh waco come your live room last time you turn your can rememb thought fuck bad you kkk violent solut pass avoid situat encourag crimin you will safe such wait thi late april fool post didn stupid post thi good gui thi group get bore holli and susan franci chiu profession student programm tax payer
talk.politics.guns	undertax poll kennej okstat edu kennedi jame scot write articl apr cunew carleton akasac alfr carleton alexand kasac write articl veal utkvm utk edu veal utkvm utk edu david veal write you that had spent monei gun peopl canada ridicul onc estim gener level intelleg averag reader rush limbaugh canada per capita spend monei peopl spend monei per capita gun exactli you mean you spend per capita gun canada you talk govern you talk purchas gun privat citizen you refer privat citizen your point irrevel individu monei essenti busi hand you meant that govern spend per capita gun canada your point relev thi true prioriti straight peopl import gun that not that gun aren import that govern spend per capita gun peopl awri meant spend per capita gun canada isn surpris busi protect western world ussr that countri slack defens spend spend per capita peopl canada thi true appl appl comparison previou post appl orang
talk.politics.guns	randi weaver trial updat dai note trial updat summar report idaho statesman and local nbc affili televis station ktvb channel randi weaver kevin harri trial updat dai fridai april fourth dai trial synopsi defens attornei gerri spenc cross examin agent cooper repeat object prosecutor ronald howen spenc move for mistrial deni dai mark caustic cross examin deputi marshal larri cooper defens attornei gerri spenc spenc not explicitli state angl stategi involv destroi credibl agent cooper cooper govern eyewit death agent degan spenc attack cooper credibl point discrep cooper statement last septemb and made court cooper conced that you thing compress into second difficult rememb cooper acknowledg that carri colt commando submachin gun silenc barrel thought colt commando revolv cooper continu state that feder agent had specif plan us weapon start kill weaver dog spenc ask cartridg fire degan rifl degan appar dead cooper not for that degan not return fire spenc continu ask agent and extent had cooper discuss last august event cooper respond you impli that stori togeth you wrong counselor spenc continu advanc defens version event that marshal had start shoot kill weaver dog cooper disagre assist attornei ronald howen repeatedli object spenc virul cross examin agent cooper argu that question repetit and spenc wast time howen complain that spenc improperli cross examin advanc defens version event district judg edward lodg sustain object lawyer persist judg lodg had juri leav room and proced admonish attornei not plai game counsel thi person problem dai start act profession spenc told judg that evid that agent larri cooper testimoni not credibl that panick and cannot rememb sequenc event spenc continu find that similar almost had come cooki cutter testimoni cooper and wit spenc move for mistrial ground that howen repeat object prevent fair trial can fair trial juri believ sort charlatan juri believ bend rule engag delai tactic that violat court order judg lodg call notion that repeat sustain howen object had prejud juri preposter and deni motion for mistrial lodg howen restrict comment object trial resum prosecut call fbi special agent greg rampton prosecut purpos simpli introduc weapon found cabin evid defens seiz opportun address cooper credibl defens attornei ellison matthew harri attornei question rampton dog rampton state that specif plan kill weaver dog detect matthew had rampton read septtemb transcript rampton had that cooper had that purpos silenc weapon kill dog detect dog chase rampton acknowledg that believ that cooper had that not rememb state that not conduct primari interview deputi cooper had convers sinc interview conduct mondai april will begin dai trial schedul continu cross examin fbi agent greg rampton
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talk.politics.guns	bradi bill loophol finish read and question bradi bill and current version bradi bill statu bill heard committe close that made law and fairli similar import differ miss loophol doesn appeal process wrong denial wait period civil lawsuit appeal process onc requir instant background check system establish not polic explicitli not liabl for mistak deni approv exist record sue inaccur record correct includ except wait period claus for person can convinc local chief law enforc offic cleo threat life life household member doesn exactli consid threat place limit long cleo take issu except statement true misunderstood hole stop person clean record bui gun grind serial number and sell crook minimum addit law need prevent thi min gun count scheme need john doe own gun pass wouldn surpris legisl for stricter harder forg nation gun registr justifi make bradi bill work comment interest specif problem current legisl don mean start gener discuss merit wait period bill propos mark shepard netcom
talk.politics.guns	amend dead good date apr jrm gnv ifa ufl edu yea million case yoi that firearm deter crimin ala thi not provabl case aliv gun that provabl even your twist logic that that case thi wrong brain trust bulk firarem us unworthi and unnesessari oppon huh planet you amend dead accept thi find anoth wrong not long freedom remain dictionari faustu gun month club hmmm glock thi month sig
talk.politics.guns	gun articl apr vax oxford jaj vax oxford write you turkei pro pistol and automat weapon fanat don realiz that rest laugh you you don make angri you make chuckl remeb bellingham washington and you laugh civil behavior suppos learn your articl treat peopl dog not impress your attitud
talk.politics.guns	amend dead good articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write futur feder martial will come for your arm will you you danger think crimin thi your fault amend dead accept thi find anoth you wai thi kick straighten thing thi countri peopl replac gun perhap deadli sprai that make mace and water lighter and easier conceal gun design and long ton motiv design come real nasti stuff and get rid gun move thi track asap thi want stuff that smaller lighter and deadli rememb thi countri scrambl accomplish imposs feat motiv and defens high list motiv
talk.politics.guns	gun good riddanc articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write you loos loos vote your consid abomin matter hard you public opinion set rkba vote don rkba abomin thi end finish clinton administr your rkba will null and void tough titti sarah bradi delight hear your rant and rave clinton not public state that repeal second amend tough titti you you had discov wai make firearm number case firearm abus ruin your noth you can live sword die make peopl york citi you york citi that gun ban utopia you dream million unregist handgun york citi high crime rate perhap you gungrabb nightmar idaho idaho polic give conceal carri permit crimin record gungrabb scheme such foid wait period gun month ltc and horror horror you don even permit carri conceal weapon citi limit you permit for conceal carri automobil feel hell lot safer bois your gun ban dream state washington press you public vote public you flow histori you thi vote public idaho staunchli pro gun senat nra endors rate bui clue pal surrend your arm offic will collect resist useless will overwhelm you time your neighbor will not you will you threat abstract crimin your wallet and bui anoth clue million million pre firearm half life approach etern and cosmolin not exactli track fed fuck bad you kkk violent solut pass avoid situat encourag crimin you will safe such gun control law pass protect kkk black drew betz gozer idbsu edu brought into your termin free state idaho you outlaw right outlaw will right spook fodder fema nsa clinton gore insurrect nsc semtex neptunium terrorist cia kgb deuterium
talk.politics.guns	gun american express card articl apr ucsu colorado edu fcrari ucsu colorado edu frank crari never practic marksmanship take gun coat fast and start shoot that recommend practic ccw aim alon goo for defens you can gun rapidli true unusu look practic shoot point that forgot bring and thi noth gang member not that illeg carri conceal weapon thi area state illinoi for that matter thi not that peopl illinoi don carri conceal weapon illegali practic that peopl wasn bright idea isn necessarili conflict practic conceal weapon for defenc and practic shoot arm defenc occasion involv shoot attack frank crari boulder agre you don practic and carri gun for defens you like big troubl situat aris jason uicvm uic edu
talk.politics.guns	gun good riddanc articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu love post thi peopl repli thi knew not thi bait decid post peopl mad and repli ignor thing below surrend your arm offic will collect resist useless will overwhelm you time listen buddi you quot star trek quot resist futil time jason uicvm uic edu
talk.politics.guns	you shoot articl apr uoft utoledo edu steiner jupit cse utoledo edu jason steiner jason kratz uicvm uic edu write you situat you pull gun you give chanc decid continu action and you end shoot and kill question you you stai and wait for cop you collect your brass you semi auto and provid you don that you kind law book thi type situat like thing happen you you stai and wait and offens happen you you and you caught ghod you idea troubl you into for take that leav scene auto accid bad kill leav time wors defens you time collect your spent case offic reload repli thi depend area that you live david veal repli thi heard exactli thing that repli fade you that you haven heard thi polic offic for record talk tennesse not even you you fugit nice legal your law abid statu send your stori into arm citizen column american rifleman jason jason uicvm uic edu
talk.politics.guns	you shoot articl veal utkvm utk edu veal utkvm utk edu david veal articl uicvm uic edu jason kratz uicvm uic edu heard opinion thi subject and hear peopl net you situat you pull gun you give chanc decid continu action and you end shoot and kill question you you stai and wait for cop you collect your brass you semi auto and provid you don that you data point tennesse friend mine and polic offic essenti recommend that you can fade even you perfectli justifi you like for great deal hassl side note carri gun conceal misdemeanor thi exactli heard you fade and you kind evid catch you thi assum that you collect your brass had revolv kind law book thi type situat like thing happen you you stai and wait and offens happen you you and you caught state thing pretti guess time trip librari and illinoi statut for record folk ask thi curiou find peopl read stuff thi david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird jason uicvm uic edu
talk.politics.guns	gun articl apr vax oxford jaj vax oxford write you turkei pro pistol and automat weapon fanat don realiz that rest laugh you you don make angri you make chuckl remeb bellingham washington and warn flammag follow that british sens humor real gut buster ira blew that kid coupl week ago huh britain your govern order you defenseless your cope violent crimin laugh victim pick truck front car that friend and had bumper sticker proclaim gun control firm grip that that wanker thought pretti cool don prefer for didn realiz that photo back truck and show friend back vancouv canada origin peopl guffaw basic stupid such sticker and even greater stupid person put place canada crimin don bother check victim home break america you crimin worri bit get shot frequent check home knew your gun mart superstor place experi sight peopl put gun and ammo into shop cart didn drove vega last year heard gun world phoenix arizona fantast hope visit that live britain can rest civil world perceiv you gun nut moron bbc recent refer american penchant for pistol automat weapon etc appropri call nation eccentr britain isn that place you guilti proven innoc jaj vax oxford didn britain come beg gun nut moron earli for gun defend hitler your supposedli enlighten govern had disarm you chap you can jolli give your gun that hitler man start threaten can hit yank for gun bloodi eccentr habit gun you hand your shotgun that you problem that canada hear suffer your nation eccentr that easi purchas weapon smuggl cross border ain amaz black market work damn drug south america come border even ban guess legal make you want send fifti buck libertarian parti think doesn you gun nut rush limbaugh fan your diatrib bradi and evil liber media plot you damn funni you provid endless amount entertain your argument and exampl allow carri piec chuckl your close mind ignor parallel guess that happen you rais subject right your type gravit desir hold power you hell miss nra ad gerald mcrainei that monti python sketch chuckl cop beat you senseless confess laugh silli you find that confess valid court hei mate thi justic british style drew betz gozer idbsu edu brought into your termin free state idaho you outlaw right outlaw will right spook fodder fema nsa clinton gore insurrect nsc semtex neptunium terrorist cia kgb deuterium
talk.politics.guns	cdn gun law moder nice summari keith talk feder dept justic doj ottawa and clarifi bunch thing canadian gun law post for inform purpos question email followup technic feasibl almost imposs conceal carri permit canada thi contrari told polic offic legal us lethal forc such firearm protect life contrari offic told gun store lock and unload capac magazin not clear will exempt thi will manag thi each provinc gener idea that exempt person will receiv letter form author possess high capac magazin appar author prohibit weapon you will allow possess dealer will allow order high capac mag for allow possess will not allow stock high capac magazin convert compli limit will not consid prohibit weapon amend regul method alter magazin manufactur beretta will market reduc capac magazin god charg for thi cover discuss type thi memori not gospel not lawyer and refus plai keith solla eng ipsc ontario oha nfa sfc ofah keith orion cmc frontenac rifl and pistol club
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talk.politics.guns	ban firearm jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write firearm tend fall into thi low dollar pound area not econom smuggl product local not that peopl skill and motiv assembl worthwhil firearm scratch high rank crime figur obtain import uzi and such averag person and averag thug lucki zip gun and pai nose for australian custom servic make public statement parliamentari committe last year that weapon smuggl problem not control possibl crimin don your grasp econom geoff miller miller adfa edu comput centr australian defenc forc academi
talk.politics.guns	amend dead good christ assum that thi post fool that articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write yea million case yoi that firearm deter crimin ala thi not provabl that that case thi and suppos your word for you that peopl us firearm protect not admit ridicul law exist forbid conceal carri bulk firarem us unworthi and unnesessari oppon posessa cool jakcet you want argu you park space your woman short trivial and worthless cool jacket ride bicycl work and park desk and woman decid disappoint kill suitor will not endear frankli never met woman worth kill for chrome barrel that worth kill for thi ruin you recoveri futur feder martial will come for your arm will you you danger think crimin thi your fault thi pinhead rest don not worri feder martial come gun govern can violent crimin jail sinc don prison space and legal system burden put million gun owner won fork weapon you volunt servic your humbl abod sinc you feel sooooo strongli thi amend dead accept thi find anoth your argument render useless accept thi find anoth newsgroup lee gaucher nra opinion gaucher sam cchem berkelei edu
talk.politics.guns	ohio hous bill otto beatti militari weapon ban note ohio legisl unlik feder legisl show entir law chang legisl part capit rest current law regular type introduc gener asembl regular session represen beatti bill amend section and and enact section revis code expand defint danger ordnanc includ militari weapon that not us bolt action increas penalti for violat prohibit possess danger ordnanc prohibit person acquir militari weapon act effect date requir licensur militari weapon acquir for aprop purpos prior act effect dte prohibit person import manufactur sell militari weapon and declar emerg enact gener assembl state ohio section that section and amend and section revis code enact read follow sec us section revis code deadli weapon mean instrument devic thing capabl inflict death and design special adapt for us weapon possess carri us weapon firearm mean deadli weapon capabl expel propel projectil action explos combust propel firarm includ unload firearm and firearm 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close busi fourteenth dai applic for licens and carri militari weapon file divis thi section issu author approv applic and issu licens applic deni applic and send letter denial ordinari mail applic conduct investig issu author issu licens applic determin satisfi criteria applic twenti year ag older applic natur person appear that applic will possess and carri militari weapon collector item for legitim scientif educ industri proper purpos appear that applic suffici compet and carri militari weapon and that proper precaut will ensur secur militari weapon and safeti person and properti applic otherswis not prohibit law carri danger ordnanc licens issu pursuant divis thi section valid for year date issuanc licens renew pursuant divis thi section provid divis thi section person issu licens divis thi section renew licens file applic for renew regular mail sheriff counti safeti director polic chief municip corpor issu author licens applic for renew file annual year date licens issu last renew each sheriff and each safeti director and peac offic municip corpor make applic for renew licens issu divis thi section applic applic oath updat inform submit previou applic for licens renew licens applic for renew licens accompani fee dollar applic file seper applic for renew and pai seper renew fee for each militari weapon that intend continu and carri person chang resid princip place busi locat jurisdict issu author subsequ issuanc renew licens thi section renew licens file applic manner prescrib divis thi section sheriff counti safeti director polic chief municip corpor resid princip place busi make applic renew licens chang resid place busi applic give notic chang address regular mail origin issu author for licens and state fire marshal notif form prescrib sheriff safeti director polic chief seek renew licens and carri militari weapon identifi person issu identifi militari weapon for issu state purpos identifi divis thi section for militari weapon will possess and carri state expir date and list restrict carri militari weapon prescrib law thi state and applic feder law person issu licens and carri militari weapon thi section and address notifi issu author chang address nineti dai chang occur issu author forward state fire marshal copi each licens issu renew thi section state fire marshal perman file licens issu renew thi section issu author each applic fee fifti dollar file divis thi section deposit gener fund counti muncip corpor serv issu author issu author two dollar and fifti cent each renew fee file divis thi section deposit gener fund counti municip corpor serv issu author and send two dollar and fifti cent each renew fee treasur state for deposit state treasuri credit gener revenu fund violat divis thi section guilti fail appli for licensur militari weapon feloni fourth degre violat divis thi section guilti fail appli for renew licens for militari weapon misdemeanor degre militari weapon that not licens requir thi section contraband defin section revis code and subject forfeitur section revis code sec person import manufactur possess for sale sell furnish person militari weapon recklessli sell lend give furnish firearm person prohibit section revis code acquir firearm recklessli sell lend give furnish danger ordnanc person prohibit section revis code acquir danger ordnanc possess firearm danger ordnanc purpos dispos violat divis thi section manufactur possess for sale sell furnish person law enforc agenc for author us polic work brass knuckl cestu billi blackjack sandbag switchblad knife springblad knife graviti knife similar weapon transfer danger ordnanc anoth neglig fail requir transfer exhibit identif licens permit show author acquir danger ordnanc pursuant section revis code neglig fail complet record transact and forthwith forward copi record sheriff counti safeti director polic chief municip transact take place knowingli fail report law enforc author forthwith loss theft firearm danger ordnanc such person possess control violat thi section quilti unlaw transact weapon violat divis thi section aggrav feloni degre violat divis oof thi section feloni degre violat divis thi section misdemeanor second degre violat divis thi section midemeanor fourth degre section that exist section and revis code herebi repeal section thi act herebi declar emerg measur for preserv public peac health and safeti reason for thi necess that action thi act will prohibit continu purchas possess and us militari weapon and result will amelior substanti threat death and injuri public caus misus improp us weapon thi act into effect larri cipriani cipriani att
talk.politics.guns	gun good riddanc articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write you loos question you can spell question vote your consid abomin matter hard you public opinion set rkba read public opinion poll agre that misguid public assault weapon ban li media frequenc us violent crime public opinion dead set rkba you can bet that idiot metzenbaum and schumer foolish bill get pass congress lot easier and govern broke and can longer protect citizen you can bet that american peopl will start us firearm contrari you time side not thi end finish clinton administr your rkba will null and void tough titti yeah don hold your breath condol discoveri uncomfort resili your mammari gland thi noth issu hand ridicul tripe delet press you public vote public you flow histori you thi yeah liber press doesn you can expect coher thought opinion base desir polit correct fact gener provid fbi bother put birkenstock and librari read friend anti gun and except base opinion fact despit evid contrari that disarm law abid citizen make world civil make sheep wallow piti liber white guilt societi driven crimin rob rape and murder support spend million public dollar protect right scum demonstr that regard for societi law ignor fact that area strictest gun control nyc worst crime and area gun control crime comparison ignor thi confront fact that law abid citizen gun not that caus troubl societi can accept that guess faith that crime start make signific inroad into neighborhood and start directli hurt and famili will whistl tune hope isn late surrend your arm offic will collect resist useless will overwhelm you time hmmm wasn expect compani tonight whip quick chees and cracker plate bring drink time vacuum rug fuck bad you kkk violent solut pass avoid situat encourag crimin you will safe such glad you end post your medic worn lee gaucher nra opinion gaucher sam cchem berkelei edu
talk.politics.guns	amend dead good excerpt netnew talk polit gun apr amend dead good jrm gnv ifa ufl edu yea million case yoi that firearm deter crimin ala thi not provabl that that case thi excerpt letter wrote ago appar not research fact person protect legitim reason sport for privat citizen gun recent research that gari kleck florida state univers school criminolog found that handgun us victim defeat crime crimin commit thi studi figur even encourag you number crime that never occur presenc gun hand law abid privat citizen nation institut justic studi ten state prison across countri found that felon survei had abort crime believ that intend victim arm and agre that crimin worri meet arm victim run into polic heinou crime that women thi countri recent observ that women purchas handgun for defens respons present danger assault thi encourag new event orlando florida indic late femal populac plagu seri brutal assault public record number women bui gun and obtain train result decreas rape for that area citi size countri experi decreas crime for that year addition justic depart studi attempt rape show that rape attempt complet rate woman defend gun complet rate drop kleck point blank gun and violenc america aldin gruyter wright rossi arm and consid danger survei felon and firearm aldin gruyter unlik cat dog never scratch you you wash becom sad and figur wrong dave barri seth eliot dept materi scienc and engin carnegi mellon univer pittsburgh arpa eliot cmu edu andrew cmu edu bitnet andrew cmccvb
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talk.politics.guns	amend dead good jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write yea million case yoi that firearm deter crimin ala thi not provabl that that case thi you wrong fbi proof bulk firarem us unworthi and unnesessari oppon posessa cool jakcet you want argu you park space your woman short trivial and worthless you lie snake vast major million firearm thi countri never us anger your feel notwithstand thi ruin you recoveri futur feder martial will come for your arm will you you danger think crimin thi your fault will overcom kind blind pig head utterli stupid idioci that you and spout vain attempt your agenda will make truth despit your effort contrari amend dead accept thi find anoth second amend won dead repeal that won happen accept thi find anoth and control live you for you and not fool mike ruff thi thine mikei ccwf utexa edu true poloniu sacrific essenti liberti for temporari safeti deserv liberti safeti franklin
talk.politics.guns	friend neil smith papresco undergrad math uwaterloo paul prescod write gun will fewer and peopl will die you statist evid back you claim that requir anoth limit citizenri freedom steve podleski phone nasa lewi research center cleveland ohio email pspod hooch lerc nasa gov
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talk.politics.guns	pill for deer hunt articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write you miss new world report excerpt post fairli consist such poll find that approxim household firearm major firearm will claim that vast major never us even threaten defens incid year doesn count you lucki unlucki rapist pull woman into allei boston chanc almost that won count defend local constabulari didn import that allow arm even shotgun own home make show gun owner column case thi mean averag threat level thi countri low iron word for live florida averag threat level florida reduc liber ccw polici that your local thug target tourist precis like carri your nativ come boston nyc washington and diddlysquat averag threat level countri mean resid you weapon brain never that altern mean protect involv hardwar good neighborhood good isn person arm teeth attitud and cooper good neighborhood resid make awar neighbor and notic stranger lurk good neighborhood form group crime watch increas thi effect and rel effect polic hostil arrest good neighbor step and that offic rob jone hous sometim thi work sometim land your good neighbor danc card for wave drive by onc told stori gang move into phoenix misplac origin text stori start resid call cop gang member night drive perform resid hous that thi time unlik entir street and return fire put end car occup gang pack and left place florida hurrican your problem find offic step and short altern firepow gang benific manifest that social cooper replac lead flesh flesh make conversationalist and you can invit for block parti argu thi fire extinguish home that doesn mean can careless toss burnt match carpet live carefulli monitor woodstov flue clean twice year and test smoke alarm annual despit thi fire start late for thing extinguish legal and legitimaci matter govern charter make rule govern violat violat basi for exist enforc will becom matter sole forc arm oliv north man posit worship american conserv quarter and big ron set secret govern and sort sever illeg deed kind stuff you and twenti life for walk free thi happen time fact happen that care anymor legitimaci issu legal issu long bone and mtv rat ass you agre your oppon you can trust your govern protect you abus and violat white collar blue collar epaulet tank shirt ultim power enforc your right you you that power claim that interest statist aspect argument pure emot abort issu peopl fit that categori that true that uninterest fact case for gun ownership condit that aren you content underestim elector will rais conscious argu you can win can hci found mid ran million strong campaign for two year reach thi goal understand that reach stratagem includ wide class peopl due pai member can speak authorit thi detail start run two million strong campaign for slip into unannounc obscur clear that simpli never reach that level membership commenc dodd hear start point modern gun control movement nra had mere member bare murmur futur registr had million todai million member make largest membership organ countri aarp and aaa and membership grow faster previou time histor figur kukla gun control and you peopl middl thi debat bemus bone and mtv that leav hard core gun owner hard core gun banner number hci member recent becom nra member never heard singl can and will win thi firearm relat mindless mayhem will relat avail firearm becom scarc and and expens psycholog will hold us settl trivial complaint us hammer nail you can give citat show that thi util signific anecdot level you can wait cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
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like jam semi auto even exception rare modern qualiti gun sig glock semi auto slide work chamber round and cock hammer polic carri semi auto chamber load and hammer cock safeti engag not thi safe you trade safeti speed employ revolv doubl action semi auto complex oper requir train common semi auto can carri round chamber safeti problem put that statement that that thi appli look for semi revolv situat gun hammer fire pin block safeti real advantag carri cock and lock you safeti and speed employ revolv advantag followup shot not familiar semi auto for admit that initi skeptic carri thi cock and lock examin design defeat safeti gun unload and shoot lot inher safeti problem thumbreak holster strap hammer thi design get you speed for accur shot revolv polic depart switch glock and start quietli switch offic back revolv accid partli due poor train receiv not that glock requir rocket scientist cop baffl complex timer vcr yeah infam glock can figur wors revolv for safeti you don pull trigger doesn imagin that your revolv shoot doubl action you pull glock trigger fire you realiz addit you had develop that nasti habit keep your finger trigger holster your gun and reli your thumb hammer remind you you blew your foot you problem hammer wasn that crimin outgun polic don noth firearm turn cop and hunter and pai attent not seek semi auto junk that assum for job stupid cop revolv hip and shotgun rack equip for short riot thi even for riot long small gun control hit you aim you whip and fire real fast you find you don hit good control fire revolv like you hit beretta inferior carri weapon ruger secur six revolv haven hit aim shot quit wrong somewher backup capac extra shot case overwhelmingli shot fire crimin encount poor man beretta tauru and inferior carri weapon springfield oop argument releg you you don hit you aim shooter gun combin fail don ascrib failur fire real fast scenario you mention gun thi shooter failur whether lack disciplin lack train crook overwhelmingli us crime 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talk.politics.guns	gun law can live articl apr rtp meyer leonardo rtp bill meyer write establish person not pro hibit feder law receiv firearm obtain firearm for secur and us fire arm defens famili home you feder govern you don don thi thi stripe thi due process law such thing don care for feder govern step state right state step constitut doesn give fed power shut fed constitut prohibit local infring rkba case thi bill reiter that rkba guarante constitut and that fed will action infring chri bartz chrisb natinst
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talk.politics.guns	gun american express card articl apr csd newshost stanford edu andi sail stanford edu andi freeman write articl uicvm uic edu jason kratz uicvm uic edu write your point and thing that haven consid not familiar handgun that not that kratz doesn gui gui and gal lai jason step good admit doesn talk and even stun that anmar mirza chief tranquil opinion notiu ciansakgbfbi emt base lawrenc legal explos assasinatedea isi tech politician prefer naziplutonium network tech mirza ranch mon unarm peasant presidentfema
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talk.politics.guns	gun american express card hate long post thi turn lengthi crime rate fell that acquir weapon norwai you can bui almost kind weapon norwai you permit and good reason permit handgun gun licenc polic and member gun club polic check crimin record for crime and record mental diseas licenc activ member gun club for month collect gun get driver licenc isn you prove that you can drive you allow us gun crime norwai crime commit gun that owner arm for long time exept crimin accuir gun us crime and short time befor crime us knive allow cari knife public not your belt open you american gun not carri open public rigth scandinavian aggress northen not hot liver southen decid action historian millitari knowledg europ german serv norwai individu mass individu import mass extent your crimin law protect individu make mass happen rigth individu affect right issu issu gun and gun legisl shouldn mix weapon and item that can serv live amerika gun defend myself home that you wise sell gun candi state you smart neccaceri driver licenc you free bui gun disclaim not pacifist anti gun defend home love and countri don view gun necciti toi armi servic and us variati weapon wouldn want for defenc feel good thi not signatur marli computergener text wast bandwith and bring evil internet thoma parsli thomasp ifi uio
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talk.politics.guns	gun american express card articl apr csd newshost stanford edu andi sail stanford edu andi freeman articl uicvm uic edu jason kratz uicvm uic edu your point and thing that haven consid not familiar handgun that not that kratz doesn hell glock last thing that switch thing that glock lack real safeti that thing trigger that isn great safeti that kratz doesn understand safeti suppos confus thing can thing that exist glock multipl safeti even visibl excus safeti suppos basic purpos not gun fire you readi christ that sinc had crosman air gun you don don make assumpt and don that glock multipl safti report gun shop and friend safeti suppos gun that user glock want gun pull trigger safeti make that work real safeti matter kratz think andi thing read heard glock knock trigger safeti supposedli harder learn us properli articl that read can wrong damn thing and don quot sourc don ton gun magazin and rec gun articl lai boi you can make simpl statement get your ass problem world take not repli thi stuff anymor made good point that thi discuss get close and that had that jason
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talk.politics.guns	gun american express card articl cmm thomasp surt ifi uio thoma parsli thomasp ifi uio write crime rate fell that two question thi and you relev number note thi not indic don you that you not correct drop occur relev acquir weapon norwai you can bui almost kind weapon norwai you permit and good reason permit handgun gun licenc polic and member gun club primari object base ideal rkba that simpli not govern that make gun plai thing and tool rich and connect discrimin poor defens consid and condit you allow for instanc gun for protect you carri larg sum monei regular basi threaten polic check crimin record for crime and record mental diseas thi suggest and gener support gun owner object that not propos sort gotcha claus arbitrari denial even you qualifi licenc activ member gun club for month collect gun get driver licenc isn you prove that you can drive you allow thi point point that gener driver licenc for part noth european counterpart understand get difficult joke usual object that you discuss two thing for instanc driver licens permit oper motor vehicl public road not oper privat properti that abil requir drive permit gener consid aris govern legitim power enact reason regul for behavior public land permit automobil for instanc closer analog harder thing past legal sinc wouldn base make regul public properti restrict activ privat properti us gun crime norwai crime commit gun that owner arm for long time exept crimin accuir gun us crime and short time befor crime us knive allow cari knife public not your belt open you american gun not carri open public rigth thi vari wide thing european difficult time that fifti uniqu jurisdict law state anoth can radic countri europ anoth place open carri gun and knive conceal prohibit and can state local restriciton individu mass individu import mass extent your crimin law protect individu make mass happen rigth individu affect right question ask thi individu affect right thi individu that right thi group mean individu thi group defin peopl gun advers affect right group for instanc bob gun attack steve you point essenti discuss that becuas person qualifi member group peopl gun person perhap anoth time zone told that member that group take right punish newspap for libel commit issu issu gun and gun legisl issu crime violenc and murder question extent gun and gun legisl impact shouldn mix weapon and item that can serv live amerika gun defend myself home that not nice didn fear that peopl into twist mind hurt don that option expect will you wise sell gun candi state state case limit state enforc wisdom freedom gener unwis concept you pre emptiv restrict unwis freedom becom meaningless concept you smart neccaceri driver licenc you free bui gun rais hand driver licens implement wast time and revanu gener for state and startl number driver not guarante level skill higher your car road and kill knowledg traffic law ten year will pick ride parent car mention two thing david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
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talk.politics.guns	constitution articl apr atlastel brian atlastel brian sheet write you read and not make senc and wonder provid paragraph unlaw for person transfer possess machinegun law dictionari and found that person artifici entiti that creat govern and right feder constitut don understand statut can enforc individu govern can can cannot possess pass law not make law can figur you that law constit court not exactli unconstitut act not law confer right impos duti afford protect creat offic legal contempl inop had never pass norton shelbi counti gener rule that unconstitut statut form and name law realiti law wholli void and ineffect for purpos sinc unconstitution date time enact and not date decis brand bound obei uncontitut law and court bound enforc jur sec late sec court not your run mill had guilti put jail claim that had possess and told suprem court that didn that automat weapon suprem court never heard such case cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
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talk.politics.guns	upi new releas upi washington updat desk for past month clinton administr stymi mix signal come economi lead indic shown appar improv economi improv area job creation unemploy figur stall mark last month effort understand thi problem presid clinton appoint blue ribbon panel resolv appar conflict econom signal thi panel chair vice presid gore todai panel releas result provid shock conclus gun vice presid gore appar nra member and gun nut purchas firearm record number pull economi recess bui time faster and stockpil left and vice presid sinc domest firearm and ammunit manufactur experienc hard time past year includ declar bankruptci lead american gun maker not rush increas hire meet demand want thi run will continu hire peopl presid colt industri long clinton offic suspect will ad respons thi inform presid clinton announc gun control measur introduc into congress thi session call ban month gun control bill term thi law make and model firearm will written individu index card card will put big hat and presid will draw card month sixti dai that gun will ban manufactur import sale thi countri polit connect and member nation polic forc presid thi law will benefit america two wai gun month announc thirti dai gun nut will run and bui thousand boost economi even addit long run will icki evil gun street announc appoint sarah bradi overse thi program cite honesti and unbias view subject gun control senat metzenbaum deconcini feinstein and boxer propos amend bill add addit index card contain calib design for ammunit stockpil stockpil stockpil scream metzenbaum press confer nation headquart handgun control inc senat simon metzenbaum and moyenhan introduc amend that make gun illeg possess onc last card drawn hat senat simon quot fuck kick bed morn press confer held second floor men restroom senat build refer fact that peopl purchas gun economi requir batf seiz gun america year card drawn head batf respond will thi thing waco busi seiz gun hous repres pat schroeder and david skagg colorado declar thi propos law reason gun control won affect anybodi constitut sport gun end articl for humor impair bill vojak vojak icebucket stortek nra ila colorado firearm coalit cb nightli propaganda dan not cb nightli propaganda dan bias
talk.politics.guns	gritz jb liberti lobbi larouch christic insitut libertarian articl qanj usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu john redelf write awar that gun control act verbatim translat nazi gun control law pass shortli holocaust for you paranoid ask question prai that you uncheck democraci end dictatorship rememb germani democraci hitler rose power can absolut noth that happen todai can speak for organ you cite you societi and govern can relentless movement world govern fact that media demean such charish valu patriot nation and protection clue fact that sap econom strength american prop and possibl futur enemi anoth fact word commun nation global villag and intern busi vogu intern corpor destroi identi and economi and propaganda plai media and govern power abil resist porou border peopl and trade indici that lost great deal sovergnti bottom line that singl evil aspect world govern that you run and histori proven that disast bewar liber and conserv and moder for
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talk.politics.guns	long gun hear dai massachusett april thi author report two gun owner action leagu state rifl associ start dai ralli seclud courtyard statehous spars peopl speaker began peopl loudspeak wherev had lost and fill area proud mike yacino goal spoke throwawai line remind that holder carri permit had check and certifi clear crime state peopl statehous had certifi clean elect fraud hold job nanci snow and amo hamburg busi hand button and sheet describ bill present hear and tell peopl find repres and case mike warn that committe suspend rule and discuss bill that hadn made offici list deleg student simon rock bard colleg alma mater wayn shot place sk late last year buss testifi for bill ban sale firearm ammo not state resid hear origin schedul larg gardner auditorium that had pre empt governor hear framingham women prison for kill abus husband and seek releas had buttonhol repres squash into inadequ hear room repres staffer somewhat offens smarmi gun hear dai gun lobbi organ year piss and repli not gun lobbi your district your second report arriv time notic demonstr front statehous pro gunner weren randi price new mirror reflect shade talk anti gun type and simon rock anti gun close loophol protestor earlier randi had cover goal ralli room had assign seat rememb gun owner anoth student and teacher bard had reserv seat never closer atrium and crowd cop station entranc and prevent rest crowd come debat start loudspeak set hall for benefit insid and sign sheet posit bill sign support goal posit bill time constraint public offici testifi and bill that had student had curfew guess massachusett law resid purchas long gun ammo local dealer provid compli law state previous law similar appli resid state adjoin massachusett simon rock folk call current law loophol and want close two rep spoke wayn and sk assault rifl second hodgekiss sponsor had homework that confus montana wayn home state missouri and belliger gun owner galleri correct second muff carr gloucest claim that bill put law back ly bill purchas resid adjoin state licens state strong that massachusett sinc that that thing two offens state can bui gun long breath oooooo good gun law massachusett state adopt type law wouldn thi situat won naughti naughti boston citi councilman albert dapper neill testifi pro gun wai liabil elderli and wander and repeat almost caricatur law order politician badmouth aclu violent crimin execut and that judg give arreste last right pun intend spot gun owner applaud bother that propos gun restrict step direct for crimin thi time two bill consider polic rescind ccw fid and confisc your gun had file restrain order you note that file restrain order requir warrant hear evid and convict accus senat barrett read testifi favor and patron pro gunner time gun owner will agre that weapon hand peopl that court convict haven such disgustingli disingenu perform sinc nixon whine that wasn crook barrett spoke favor bill make fid card renew year perman state purpos remov fid card becom inelig revenu noth yeah appar congressmen stupid swallow argument that prefer process million renew cycl vagu hope catch recent felon simpli goddamn card crimin convict time usual hassl law abid crook two chair committe rep caron and sen jujuga jujuga didn sponsor restrain order bill caron struck sharp gui that wouldn bad logic li part side unchalleng sponsor restrain order bill younger rep committe forgot name vocifer pro gun somewhat embarrassingli heart place argument confin year damn thing you come thi crap nice friend committe effect clear that hall jam couldn continu anoth meet hall and yell cop loudspeak disturb meet loudspeak disconnect found bigger hall upstair had leav catch charter bu and miss public testimoni seat thi time caron began talk fid year ago left state and return notifi address chang complain that state record system not date and that back citi birth thought live great quot you purchas gun todai will not into state comput system thi argument us renew fid card testimoni heard batter women had attack gui had fid card thereabout us lot emot and scare men staffer attornei gener harshbarg testifi favor thi anti gun bill restrain order grant last year and women need protect caron note that restrain order grant for dai and hear held determin whether order extend year ask whether satisfi fid revok time thi hear initi issuanc fid gave long rambl circumlocut respons testimoni bill heard mike yacino einstein and made point that restrain order issu evid that judg issu restrain order thing cool matter man woman and that hear for restrain order lightn session time fact atti karen mcnutt spoke time testimoni pro gunner testifi had had file restrain order tenant clear and that counter file note that thi allow state confisc gun bill law junior rep note that thi america and that individu right respect senat jujuga reiter thi that peopl abus smaller peopl can hell care care equat convict restrain order point and match senat anoth pro gunner and testifi that didn citizenship expir year and that driver licens privileg not and bear arm and problem crimin justic system and argu favor death penalti bill and public hang senat jujuga had death penalti bill pass and joke respond that favor public hang speaker respond make you deal you rope and tie noos public testimoni simon rock bill teacher testifi that had teacher wayn and that wouldn shoot peopl insid build evil gun that loophol close prevent thi happen kid testifi favor thi bill spill tear for good legisl student shot wayn had shirt long person can bui gun anger safe support gun control committe reluct grill correct kid for caron correct student had claim that appli for fid resid can fid you want bet that thi kid had idea had con into testifi for bill that cut stater complet yacino and mcnutt spoke thi time note that bill written affect ammo and gun possess stater karen note that hunter and put for year wander across boundari wood and challeng game warden yacino underscor fact that fid resid student and hell even ccw had crimin mental record junior rep upset that resid longer bui gun stater and thought elitist anoth caron that protect prevent resid bui fid two state union had fid type card compli law home state not pro gun speaker repli that thi resembl mother watch son march band and exclaim step johnni bard colleg peopl file pro gun testimoni for thi bill made and pro gunner bill consider main bill remain and goal posit and notifi polic chief can pull licens holder convict strongli support requir trigger lock handgun sold oppos requir trigger lock load firearm strongli oppos municip enact gun law oppos fund bullet proof vest for municip polic support state constitut amend for rkba support polic discret issuanc fid card oppos alter resid licens condit support ban damn gun state guess second remain pro gunner rais hand unison for mike yacino note that danger screw trigger lock load gun that bill make illeg for license carri conceal handgun lock caron blew that oppos brought state archaic record capabl and thi creat hundr licens system session ran late sinc last schedul hear not adjourn want had testifi end cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	gun law can live cdt stratu tavar write articl apr rtp meyer leonardo rtp bill meyer write bill establish obtain firearm for secur and us firearm defens famili home and provid for enforc such religi bill establish winc mind law giveth law can taketh cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet don your object bound ration mention bill establish second amend bill reword reaffirm second amend rkba and establish procedur for redress feder court system exist and embodi constitut aaron arc cco caltech edu
talk.politics.guns	clinton nation card aka ussr style intern passport articl jif boi slack boi david slack write idea card bull and curiou plan make requir you requir present medic aid thi determin blue cross medic coverag for feder employe good model for futur nation system emerg medic care insur carri blue cross card enter hospit you notifi blue cross will refus pai your bill emerg you treat notifi you inform hour you unabl for medic reason hospit fail hour mean will not cover hospit you your card notifi and card hospit wouldn had you requir carri card time emerg medic coverag frank crari boulder
talk.politics.guns	upi new releas cathi smith post for neil smith dear bill good you made dai thi post lot neil smith opinion
talk.politics.guns	gun american express card articl apr csd newshost stanford edu andi sail stanford edu andi freeman shoot rang gang member practic shoot that gang member and not undercov cop even law abid menac minor btw sneer quot area that gun shop shoot rang border west side chicago that gang infest area bad thing that area friend that live close that area had problem folk that minor you that minor gang not quot concern total obviou that weren practic for marksmanship don you never practic marksmanship take gun coat fast and start shoot you andi obviou you not that live and that gang banger you live long becom pretti easi spot gang color gang sign etc last thing sister social worker make point find thing gang sign color etc interest nice thing can watch for live border west side citi jason
talk.politics.guns	ban firearm articl obl pandora sdsu edu chiu nosc mil franci chiu write note lighter side notic gun banner friend includ make comment that like resort violent ban gun wouldn end shoot like that sinc feel like resort violenc hard time believ that react david olson dlo drutx att put and put can don can put can put georg stephanopol
talk.politics.guns	pill for deer hunt articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write vast major life us displai firearm societi experi safer rid gun that includ defens hunt target shoot and collect don bui notion that vast major peopl don us displai firearm your content true point ting rid gun weren us david olson dlo drutx att put and put can don can put can put georg stephanopol
talk.politics.guns	newspap censor gun advertis don trader claim appear that oakland tribun censor gun ad past likewis for san francisco chronicl and never gun san francisco examin specif year ago thursdai trader ad chron not graphic repres handgun sale text list trib run graphic handgun examin not trader past year oakland politician made lot nois measur fight crime trib stop take trader start publish handgun graphic stop start sinc trib sold month ago not had trader interlud trader employe told that trib had refus ad usual chron thursdai todai graphic repres rifl safe etc usual joan
talk.politics.guns	insan gun tote wacko unit you death each year caus inflict gun shot wound peopl wear thigh holster roughli fatal firearm relat accid each year larg major involv rifl and shotgun fatal handgun accid each year doubt occur pistol holster number inflict gunshot wound peopl wear thigh holster per year you fall for exampl and land handgun sudden blow gun will discharg handgun design includ hammer block sinc earlier thi metal part physic seper cartridg and fire pin even impact gun cannot fire hammer block connect trigger and pull trigger pull result modern pistol can fire trigger pull case cock hand and drop number peopl kill thi manner outweigh number death caus anim attack wacko attack combin don anim attack murder each year and die manner you suggest murder kill wacko you wrong wors rape and aggrav assault each year number make violent attack and prevent thousand time signific accid you worri figur fbi uniform crime report for stop librari tomorrow and nation crime victim survei specif and crime occur frank crari boulder
talk.politics.guns	deconcini ten year ago and todai denni deconcini and similar area bureau violat not dictat common sens sec intend prevent secret lawmak administr bodi practic ampli document hear thi sub committe leav doubt that bureau disregard right guarante constitut and law unit state trampl second amend chill exercis and bear arm law abid citizen offend fourth amend unreason search ing and seiz privat properti amend take privat properti compens and entrap honest citizen regard for due process law rebutt present subcommitte bureau utterli unconvinc richard davi speak behalf treasuri depart assert vagu that bureau prioriti aim prosecut will violat felon ill galli possess and confisc gun like us crime assert that bureau recent made great stride achiev prioriti documen tation offer for assert hear batf appropri subcommitte expert evid submit establish that approxim percent batf gun prosecut aim ordinari citizen had crimin intent knowledg entic agent into unknown technic violat exerpt congress session committe print report subcommitte constitut committe judiciari unit state senat nineti seventh congress second session februari print for us committe judiciari govern print offic washington letter constitu april you for contact bureau alcohol tobacco and firearm atf feder law enforc agenc jurisdict firearm violat and regul experi chairman appropri subcommitte treasuri postal servic and gener govern fund atf that atf compet and highli profession law enforc agenc feder govern agent atf proven and success legal oper curb unlaw possess and us firearm area drug relat crime enforc arm career crimin act call for mandatori minimum sentenc for repeat felon firearm carri illeg activ bureau made kei compon prevent gang relat violenc educ risk youth danger gang membership depriv gang access weapon waco texa case involv execut search warrant atf branch davidian for illeg firearm and explos possess automat semi automat and machin gun addit bomb and explos virtual gun case atf ask trace weapon nation firearm trace center dealer and feder firearm licens inform atf feder govern firearm expert and routin work state and local polic execut warrant atf work state and local law enforc texa and attornei offic felt execut warrant order legal establish that crime had commit and conclud long and thorough investig illeg gun and explos held member branch davidian addit atf carefulli select sundai morn know sourc insid that men separ women and children and not area that illeg weapon store you awar vernon howel david koresh spiritu leader branch davidian tip impend execut search warrant atf lost element surpris and cult arm and prepar for atf entri into compound onc hostag situat present atf ask fbi becom involv sinc fbi skill hostag negoti addit and militari tank brought due natur situat and firepow branch davidian base learn atf role branch davidian raid agenc act respons deepli sadden loss live law enforc agent attempt enter compound and civilian member cult fulli expect depart treasuri conduct thorough evalu repres law enforc depart head assist secretari for enforc addit atf will conduct review waco oper forward review find evalu and hope thi situat waco will brought quick and peac conclus sincer denni deconcini chairman subcommitte treasuri postal servic and gener govern april larri cipriani cipriani att
talk.politics.guns	crimestrik alert for texa fellow texan and member crime strike texa crime strike texa loos knit coalit victim right group texa that you write letter protest releas murder thi letter written raven kazen victim servic board pardon and parol box capit station austin texa letter written red paper that agre meet repres coalit and part heart ach left and blood spill crimin letter name can file folder that crimin wait for parol list crimin todai parol protest octob mark steven hugh render numer blow head jame allen pompa ten month jame into coma and di two dai juli mark steven hugh pled guilti injuri child and receiv ten year sentenc texa law mark elig for parol januari six month even sentenc you join strongli protest releas prison mark steven hugh beat babi death mark steven hugh beat death babi boi russel pompa refer mark steven hugh tdc mark your envelop protest letter front and back typic letter page you irvin wilson volunt crime strike texa date april raven kazen victim servic board pardon and parol box capit station austin texa protest parol mark steven hugh tdc murder jame son russel pompa prison for full sentenc and not releas time prior full sentenc for reason irvin wilson houston texa larri cipriani cipriani att
talk.politics.guns	ohio legisl alert ohio hous repres tuedai april repres beatti ammend section and and enact revis code expand defint danger ordin includ militari weapon that not us bolt action increas penalti for violat prohibt posses danger ordin prohibit person acquir militari weapon act seffect date requir licensur militari weapon acquir for proper purpos prior act effect date prohibit person import manufactur sell militari weapon and declar emerg mondai april had not assign committe introduc emerg measur thi pass chanc for reforendum and into effect immedi oppos state requir dai law into effect larri cipriani cipriani att
talk.politics.guns	ohio legisl alert ohio hous repres thursdai april repres sees davi batcheld amstutz johnson van vyven wachtmann white donato bogg logan amend section revis code add mourn dove game bird list and permit chief divis wildlif depart natur resourc regul hunt mourn dove and make appropri thi hunt mourn dove ohio and give sportsman push for larri cipriani cipriani att
talk.politics.guns	gritz jb liberti lobbi larouch christic insitut libertarian note that gritz populist parti ticket david duke for veep found that duke lead ticket withdrew candidaci gritz gave chanc vice presid aviod support duke
talk.politics.guns	insan gun tote wacko unit articl apr ucsu colorado edu fcrari ucsu colorado edu frank crari write you death each year caus inflict gun shot wound peopl wear thigh holster roughli fatal firearm relat accid each year larg major involv rifl and shotgun fatal handgun accid each year doubt occur pistol holster number inflict gunshot wound peopl wear thigh holster per year doctor firearm tech expert that holster gun point accident injuri inflict that lethal david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.guns	gun control articl ulowel ulowel edu jrutledg ulowel edu john lawrenc rutledg wrote articl tpinnpcn gap caltech edu arc cco caltech edu aaron rai clement write second amend guarante bear arm and unequivoc infring second amend not clear you state last part follow you problem part singl sentenc make amend second amend regul militia secur militia free state peopl and bear state arm not infring arm you didn even capit correct read usca constitut correct version constitut thi mention regul militia confus federalist paper regul militia defin structur and follow nation uniform regul perhap you read federalist paper jame madison federalist paper advantag arm american possess peopl almost nation exist subordin govern peopl attach and militia offic appoint form barrier enterpris ambit insurmount simpl govern form can admit notwithstand militari establish kingdom europ carri public resourc will bear govern afraid trust peopl arm jame madison annal congress june peopl and bear arm not infring regul militia compos bodi peopl train arm and natur defens free countri alexand hamilton federalist paper organ militia can aim respect peopl larg properli arm and equip and order that thi not neglect will assembl onc twice year alexand hamilton federalist paper speak stand armi circumst time oblig govern form armi magnitud that armi can never formid liberti peopl larg bodi citizen inferior disciplin and us arm stand readi defend right and fellow citizen sure hamilton and madison didn mean peopl peopl that amend refer militia your averag year male not fall into definit you militia consist bodi male and femal current interpret member militia gun advoc refer not member organ militia and not directli amend refer organ regul target you examin you check regul mention amend thi amend want member militia and bear arm specificli mention organ militia sentenc and bear arm correct that reserv peopl and that insur peopl form regul militia not organ militia argu that part sentenc separ last part includ atom unit written atom unit thi argument moron can set bar separ sentenc your question don you read federalist paper jame madison federalist paper gener welfar claus noth natur common us gener phrase and explain and qualifi recit particular madison grammat style wrote amend impli that arm due secur free state federalist paper mention regul militia exampl thi militia protect secur free state exampl action organ forc not john public gun that you never read federalist paper that second amend state that peopl form regul militia not infring that peopl join organ militia thi organ militia will provid train us arm and basic militari tactic train member militia can and bear arm can read huh show document organ militia lastli read federalist paper organ militia clear that reason for militia reason state protect stand armi dai stand armi easili defeat group consist year male and femal not armi forc that exactli person allow weapon us arm forc anoth reason state for organ militia reduc for stand armi armi forc stand armi for half histori major reason protect that armi reason for second amend give peopl protect govern guarante that peopl can govern bit anachron thi dai and ag time thi and amend constitut appropri abraham lincoln inaugur address march thi countri institut belong peopl inhabit whenev grow weari exist govern can exercis constitut amend revolutionari dismemb overthrow rep elbridg gerri massachusett spoken floor debat second amend annal congress august sir us militia prevent establish stand armi bane liberti whenev govern mean invad right and liberti peopl attempt destroi militia order rais armi ruin categori rutledg mean destroi liberti and right charl scripter cescript phy mtu edu dept physic michigan tech houghton govern great thing drawn washington centr power will render powerless check provid govern anoth and will becom venal and oppress govern separ thoma jefferson
talk.politics.guns	nuclear heavi weapon and militia long fcrari ucsu colorado edu frank crari write odd line make progress iron note delet line emac continu gave messag garbag collect vike iastat edu dan sorenson write and you great chang tire debat you lurker can join time you ahhh talk polit gun kindler gentler newsgroup thought not exactli reason for thi sort restrict endanger poorli maintain rifl danger user sinc doesn endang justif for such restrict remind you shrapnel reason space limit make mistak gun blow hazard nearbi lane rang point distanc level threat draw line endanger restrict possibl shot draw mile restrict nuke and draw mile restrict suffer fundament flaw that restrict base instrument place respons for usag squar shoulder user perhap sen metzenbaum declar barrett light fifti assault rifl made thi appar sinc barrett rang and acurraci for determin that live worth effort protect home and famili nuclear weapon close home will not accomplish thi disagre ground that hous can rebuilt easili famili onc di assum that word citizen that such attack plan thi not case tactic and strateg implic chang quit bit person home worth twenti martian intent take world famili balanc act hard judg sit desk anoth problem case civil war strength militia fight each side reflect popular will public split versu minor militia disadvantag such for popular support hopefulli prevent insurrect peopl rebel heavi weapon own small fraction militia distort thi minor includ tank and artilleri owner that case that heavi weapon aren commonli own citizenri such low number due cost don superior weapon great effect numer superior foe even doubt train includ proper tactic movement that util tank commonli rifleman not hamper effect vital avoid such situat small minor reason chanc gain polit power violenc prevent thi give control heavi weapon small number individu and firepow grossli distort relat popular support and militari strength that individu militiamen thi not good thing lesser two evil control weapon democrat bodi respons will peopl had envis that armor perhap offic select group and exercis control heavier complex weapon joe bob own sherman tank wouldn give follow order offic sinc expens tank larg chanc jointli purchas and jointli maintain and oper careful state talk role militia overthrow repress govern and complet destruct that end for that govern control militia arm unit state level govern each act independ not like target rebelion such rebelion state and local govern that state possibl local govern safe allow select militia heavi weapon risk abus similar risk feder govern control thi agre point state control heavi weapon not justif for state central locat spread such that abil state lock isn easi assum that state control rest author governor and militia offic that eaxctli remov select militia privid militia heavi weapon and highli train specialist for reason outlin heavi weapon tank artilleri aircraft etc local govern small number individu local govern shouldn us select militia support peopl ideal gener militia direct control peopl and select militia direct democrat local govern opper togeth even worst case gener militia function select militia similarli select militia incap action aid gener militia hard time heavi weapon fairli number not easili wield peopl govern support you argu that weapon divvi and democrat control side doesn can thi situat allevi select militia hold weapon and unorgan militia infantri mix call for argu that feder armi reli select militia and unorgan militia for bulk infantri unit effect remov nation guard infantri and place guard control local govern govern control select militia not fight effect infantri support provid gener militia inher infantri organ hand gener militia function disadvantag back local govern and select militia assum that side govern control forc and equip infantri forc size troubl that heavi stuff tank offset local troup and anti tank weapon armori infantri tank cost and train requir figur suppos quibbl constitut heavi equip mechan infantri unit build dike time flood set disast relief citi and thing handl local gener militia resourc aren outfit local unit will call and mechan unit carri stuff faster perhap nation guard isn close concept select militia thought heavi weapon armor arm militia not infantri arm regular armi perhap idea heavi weapon main battl tank propel artilleri and and field piec heavi stuff troop carrier ton truck humve tank howitz stuff mechan infantri thi guard unit iowa field unit perhap innat fear real heavi equip state control number and light stuff act deterr allow main battl tank state balanc anti tank capabl local rank similarli local unit band togeth quickli small and fast respons mean mechan infantri final militia fight equip need for respons feder armi convinc minumum infantri reli state and local militia for function dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu 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talk.politics.guns	gun american express card thoma parsli thomasp ifi uio write hate long post thi turn lengthi that you can mail you want discuss acquir weapon norwai you can bui almost kind weapon norwai you permit and good reason permit long gun proof ag and fill form for pistol nation wide check for feloni and dai wait good reason differ and american tend annoi reason gui badg get driver licenc isn you prove that you can drive you allow not deal america can drive wheel truck permit licens and ag engag farm work strang that problem thi person right versu collect secur crime commit gun that owner arm for long time exept crimin accuir gun us crime and short time befor crime strang that rate declin sinc kill frown steal gun us knive allow cari knife public not your belt open you american gun not carri open public rigth attract attent carri sword openli and practic that legal thing can attract lot attent thi lost crowd subject attent carri weapon word intimid and you can intimid not prefer method for normal citizen scandinavian aggress northen not hot liver southen decid action historian millitari knowledg europ german serv norwai aggress southern german precis your societi violent weapon individu import mass extent your crimin law protect individu make mass happen rigth individu affect right mass editor barf dan mass right individu come individu instanc anoth draw analog norwai involv eec usa involv nato eec requir your law nato requir such usa law law affect citizen and norwai europ import norwegian motorcycl that make bhp usa like eec stuf sinc eec busi ey tell horsepow can safe ride note that state govern plai game feder govern essenc thi cultur differ live amerika gun defend myself home that shouldn sinc countri manag remov crimin societi america feel and rememb individu state that larger your countri that polic cannot protect ourselv crimin countri quit violent prepar for you wise sell gun candi state you smart neccaceri driver licenc you free bui gun don mail find difficult thi countri easier theft easier troubl purchas defend home love and countri don view gun necciti toi option never forc you gun you live fight that option open you armi servic and us variati weapon wouldn want for defenc feel good you show you respons ration user weapon rank teach young peopl thi sort respons cultur grave impact notic you didn us great grandfath name didn dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
talk.politics.guns	that silli outdat bill koresh and miranda articl apr cbnew att lvc cbnew att larri cipriani write for move incid wasn mayor philadelphia time black for move incid bomb member kill gunfir circa mayor white frank rizzo for second bomb includ mayor wilson good black jim halat
talk.politics.guns	scoop waco road cdt stratu tavar write your lite post for dai rec humor funni articl adf bella tti pete bella write ic cream flavor inspir incid waco call mount caramel full nut you can carton cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet even find thi funni surfac origin poster joke and convict member bunch nut thi danger thing opinion that educ inform peopl thi countri distrust govern thi exist bureaucraci govern time will tend exist for and not for origin purpos creat for thi distrust peopl power line that and properli function press sensation orient press portrai group peopl nut crazi violat peopl civil right justifi sinc american gurante right enumer constitut includ ammend govern appeas public opinion risk vote exist becom corrupt tamper domocrat process thrown forc govern stand appeas public offici press releas portrai fanat threat public safeti not prejudg peopl base side inform inform that com agenc that embarras branch davidian advantag make fanat and danger portrai law abid citizen atf had justif open mind joke even funni mislead public truth matter understand rock island and dalton lead that nation firearm act fed thi case atf regul firearm machin gun deem unconstitut sinc two feder district court and sinc reason atf involv thi case firearm violat interest find whether not search warrent base nfa embarrass search warrent base possibl unconstitut law result death law enforc opinion mine and mine sole respons for opinion and action you flame flame construct argument will respect young hoon yoon yooni rpi edu north hall zud hibp ecs rpi edu renssela polytechn institut zud kmt troi
talk.politics.guns	clinton nation card aka ussr style intern passport articl apr ucsu colorado edu fcrari ucsu colorado edu frank crari write articl jif boi slack boi david slack write idea card bull and curiou plan make requir you requir present medic aid thi determin blue cross medic coverag for feder employe good model for futur nation system emerg medic care insur carri blue cross card enter hospit you notifi blue cross will refus pai your bill emerg you treat notifi you inform hour you unabl for medic reason hospit fail hour mean will not cover hospit you your card notifi and card hospit wouldn had you requir carri card time emerg medic coverag frank crari boulder work fine you end hospit you hit head and your wallet your insur card stolen thi happen and six month sort mess sort plan sound nice end creat lot paperwork and bureaucraci deal check and file involv tom hacker tsmith seismo soar cmu edu return address set wrong send person respons address
talk.politics.guns	gun backcountri hmm wouldn manditori saftei class registr owner and gun and manditori liabil insur nice for gun owner two not point signific differ make rule for us public properti and make rule for ownership half object trust similar thing thi local jurisd across countri and abus case safeti class never shedul never fund two held year for limit number particip registr list york chicago and california us for confisc gun owner theori support plane number overwhelmingli show that compet not problem that intent misus simpli abus and leeri person come pike reason suggest abus gun safeti class sound good theori kind remind literaci test us bad dai black vote grandfath claus your grandfath vote you vote sort gun safeti law that polit ass kisser gun doug holland
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi reveng pat rwing pat myrto write overreact thi part your post shrill specul tom gift tomgift uxa cso uiuc edu
talk.politics.guns	reword second amend idea you that individu weapon mass destruct find hard that you support neighbor nuclear weapon biolog weapon and nerv ga properti law prohibit biolog weapon nerv ga properti even walk govern properti such item ipso facto such weapon mass destruct hell patent offic patent manufactur nerv ga that can obtain simpli send patent offic washington box patent verboten english citizen patent offic doesn surpris base mistrust govern privat ownership semi automat rifl cannot even agre keep weapon mass destruct hand individu can hope for you legisl prohibit own biolog warfar agent nerv agent will you pass law own chlorin ga cyanid will you pass law own acetylen ga that us bradlei ifv had branch dividian anti combust engin effect will you pass law own gallon cylind propan us flame thrower proverbi road hell for good
talk.politics.guns	chang name make newsgroup call talk polit gun paranoid talk polit gun move post waco and burn guess stop post thi newsgroup glad you save evil gover you mail thi regular mail peopl thi not signatur computergener text wast bandwith and bring evil internet thoma parsli thomasp ifi uio
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl aej cmuvm bitnet aej cmuvm bitnet write will surpris thi post make past censor mondai april edt murder foul cnn report write thi that atf ignit build branch dividian ranch waco li atf hole made wall and lethal tear ga pump minut thi start thing build aflam escap obviou that atf us armor flame thrower vehicl pump unlit napalm wood stove insid ignit thi murder atf murder butcher thi genocid mass slaughter innoc peopl includ children predict thi start god sicken happen had hope wrong had hope that shred america grew and love left aliv wrong nazi won repeat thi time survivor god crosspost don slaughter children gorman american tear flame thi gui pai attent new oop forgot that media for part love jump top stori fact manipul and wai koresh devot follow that repeat surviv thi genocid mass slaughter innoc peopl survivor burn unit local hospit and report that david tower shit hit fan major children children that suppos father thi make bastard children sacraligi zeloit told david and follow that can heat stai kitchen pun intend flame aaah daniaalson yah wanna fight fight matthew hamilton mhamilto mc kent edu physic major ksuvxb kent edu lawnmowerman kent state univers ksuvxb kent edu for futur advic quot sai jibberish philosohi
talk.politics.guns	atf true congress that posses unlicens automat weapon violat law congress not that such posses capit offens transgress worth get good govern agent kill and wound even capit offens warrant not even arrest warrant search warrant word evid illeg arm suggest judg sign licens search for illeg evid question rodnei king case will doj institut crimin civil right proceed batf investig ask
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi reveng vain hope that honest investig will occur thi thing will simpli whitewash rug and busi usual will continu order dai order will offici titl thought polic and clinton and friend highli like thi point order govern will gun ten year late discov that will pai dearli for put thi fellow offic for decad come even die hard support doubt savior ahem war drug sponsor bush and reagan administr preced had set for feder agenc step peopl right won make excus for damag had clinton even enter race
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl rpoj ijv new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write two escap compound fire deliber set cult member correct fbi that two escap fire deliber set cult member sinc press mile absolut independ verif govern claim thi matter kevin van horn your religion batf approv vanhorn bert byu edu
talk.politics.guns	atf comment atf botch handl thi case attempt storm compound broad daylight explan point that thought cult member religi servic comment thi bit idioci that you oper quasi militari unit you understand basic militari tactic cardin rule that fool plan oper assumpt incorrect oper will fail disastr told that atf agent kill outgun didn expect such heavi resist question such overwhelm militari style assault plan told that cultist thought heavili arm can you contradictori knew you batf had bad reput for year bunch arrog hotdogg talk rel coupl week ago and refer bunch crockett and tubb wannab convinc that target anecdot not relat waco fiasco that appar batf screw evid world trade center bomb excel chanc forens evid gather fbi will not admiss court thi not hearsai told thi rel wife happen fbi agent opinion batf ummm uncomplimentari not present iota evid that had alleg illeg weaponri reason for raid place btw hear thi justif reno cnn yesterdai made refer thi issu substanti wave child abus and heard beat children flag sigh point fed gener handl sieg reflect complet lack understand probabl thought process cultist reno push button afraid mass suicid of comment that that cultist that close edg hell reaction hour long assault compound hole punch wall and ga pump expect forc godless govern assault time that light whether torch drank jim jone kool aid irrelev sieg conduct bright light loud rock music cut commun and contact measur design make feel and isol and threaten thi great strategi deal crimin fed into koresh paranoid delus includ std disclaim dan
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl qsrinnc clem handheld jim arra write robi you govern suck heartless bastard human di yesterdai human not di fbi had not action that undeni truth question for long even fbi had noth guess bd commit suicid not hunger and thirst gave choic sucid surrend bd warn fbi action had chanc surrend and fair trial matter start fire bd respons for peol dy paal ellingsen borgensvingen tlf paal stud uit kvaloeysletta data dobbelt arbeid til all
talk.politics.guns	gritz jb liberti lobbi larouch christic insitut libertarian articl apr ccsvax sfasu edu gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu write articl kckluge apr krusti eec umich edu kckluge eec umich edu karl kluge write and that peopl big fan fuedal piss and moan emerg modern nation state imagin king allow serf freedom live citi for year time chang technolog viabl form social organ chang concern preserv western notion civil liberti face cultur valu valid wast effort turn back tide smarter focu make that emerg form social organ your respons anoth sign trend world govern peopl such likeabl and intellig show sign successfulli brainwash you don recogn that your inevit tide roll into chao and repres advanc for civil lament pass form such bill right inalien right man that cannot chang transfer surrend right man that transcend napoleon want grand order hitler want thousand year reich lenin knew that bolshev give univers man world order tire garbag pathet part that american put not your trust princ biblic proverb modern analog govern time found idea that citizen had right govern not that common explicit write founder consider extent englishmen had right time chang and technolog possibl govern enserf mankind not quit recent feudal system lord almost restrict serf peopl enserf not make feudal lord and even slaveown not mistreat freedom speech and freedom religion real attack herman rubin dept statist purdu univ west lafayett phone hrubin snap stat purdu edu internet bitnet purdu pur snap stat hrubin
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl rpoj ijv new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write had dai come hand nation trial deserv chose set fire compund hour tank drop tear ga thi person parrot fbi line fire set six hour tear ga inject suppos you want explain videotap footag shown nation last night tank ga inject tube pull inject tube second stori build build begin belch smoke and fire joe
talk.politics.guns	gun talk state legisl updat april william dougla note power sponsor lack individu liberti wither spite glow opinion and resound constitut phrase legisl scorecard outlin below result subcommitte committe and floor action import victori come coordin legisl ensur anti gun anti hunt legisl amend favor reject never vote quiet victori impress protect fundament civil liberti guarante second amend constitut arizona nra support legisl minor crimin possess firearm pass hous await action governor arkansa firearm preemption legisl sign governor make thi forti state pass preemption preemption had pass twice previou session veto gov bill clinton mandatori storag firearm amend and kill committe colorado mandat storag firearm trigger lock kill committe prohibit sale semi auto firearm kill committe call colorado handgun violenc prevent act includ provis for dai wait period kill committe connecticut substitut bill impos tax firearm ammunit and archeri equip kill environ committe florida bill requir year licens cost possess semi automat firearm second degre feloni provis year prison di committe numer anti gun owner bill anti gun legisl pass florida thi year georgia suppos instant check provis allow for dai wait period defeat hous public safeti committe and interim studi committe mandatori storag bill defeat senat bill pass upper hous illinoi prohibit sale possess manufactur purchas possess carri semi auto firearm defeat hous judiciari subcommitte firearm mandatori storag legisl fail hous judiciari subcommitte firearm repeal foid and make ftip point sale check perman pass judiciari committe vote present calendar for read hous mandatori storag bill defeat committe impos handgun excis tax fail senat committe revenu subcommitte tax increas impos tax person engag busi sell firearm fail senat revenu committe subcommitte tax increas indiana statewid firearm preemption pass senat and hous twelv amend introduc hous floor amend ban semi auto firearm mandatori storag trigger lock ban saturdai night special similar maryland bill and handgun ration handgun per month defeat read thi morn defeat lvc kansa provid for hour wait period firearm defeat committe present governor desk and and relat victim right expect enact into law main fund for depart fish and wildlif budget restor sever reduct governor propos budget anti hunt bill includ revers post and yard safeti zone kill committe maryland firearm incendiari ammunit di committe vote reckless endanger firearm sale transfer di committe vote gun control assault weapon di committe vote weapon free school zone withdrawn weapon school properti driver licens suspens withdrawn assault pistol sale purchas transport di committe vote assault pistol act di committe vote baltimor citi firearm rifl and shotgun di committe vote pistol and revolv dealer licens complianc zone law withdrawn regul firearm sale and transfer di senat floor handgun and assault weapon advertis for sale transfer di committe handgun and assault weapon exhibitor di committe assault pistol act di committe vote gun show sale trade transfer regul firearm di committe vote firearm handgun assault pistol handgun roster board withdrawn rifl and shotgun registr withdrawn pistol and revolv privat sale transfer requir notic di committe and princ georg counti weapon free school zone withdrawn mississippi close loophol allow felon possess firearm pass hous and sign governor bill codifi into law mechan for felon second amend liberti reinstat nebraska and mandatori trigger lock bill kill committe hampshir provid for reciproc for conceal carri licens pass increas term licens carri load handgun pass mexico impos dai wait period defeat senat committe and floor senat mandatori storag legisl kill vote committe legisl safeguard sportsmen field harass anim right extremist sign into law governor march york dai wait period defeat citi buffalo ban semi auto defeat monro counti tax and fee bill impos gun and ammo not includ budget make pistol licens for valid pistol licens state pass senat await action assembl committe north dakota grant victim compens circumst sign into law governor april oregon ban firearm school ground and court build withdrawn result gun owner opposit rhode island mandatori firearm storag legisl defeat committe vote act prohibit alien own firearm defeat unanim vote committe except nra instructor firearm safeti requir report favor exempt person attornei gener permit dai wait period report floor vote extend term permit carri two year year report floor unanim utah reform state conceal carri statut pass hous committe creat civil liabil for call neglig storag firearm and creat offens reckless endanger firearm kill senat floor virginia and requir proof state resid obtain virginia driver licens pass increas penalti and impos mandatori minimum sentenc for straw man purchas multipl firearm pass allow possess saw rifl and shotgun complianc feder law pass make feloni for offens carri conceal firearm licens nra oppos law abid citizen can acquir conceal carri licens for defens defeat increas penalti for us firearm commit feloni pass requir proof resid obtain driver licens pass provid for referendum imposit statewid dai wait period handgun purchas defeat washington call for wait period and licens for semi automat firearm di committe west virginia call for studi control transfer handgun and assault weapon defeat senat wisconsin referendum odd determin effort madison area citizen crime paid april nonbind referendum ban possess handgun madison wisconsin defeat despit opposit ban air larg firearm owner seri public meet issu common council vote februari place referendum ballot allow week campaign revers public opinion controversi issu octob poll conduct wisconsin state journal found support and oppos express opinion elect dai voter poll cast ballot opposit propos vote madison common council enact such ban campaign committe spearhead wisconsin pro gun movement and nra ila reli neighborhood canvass direct mail and radio advertis educ voter civil liberti implic rais enforc ban referendum approv despit surpris defeat expect that madison initi chief propon mayor paul soglin will attempt common council enact ordin ban handgun download gun talk servic nation rifl associ institut for legisl action washington larri cipriani cipriani att
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talk.politics.guns	reason civi arm limit articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write poster claim ask anti gunner reason person firepow restrict calib not greater muzzl not greater lb combo bullet vel action singl shot rifl and singl action revolv revolv bear six round and incorpor anti fan mechan discourag roi roger wannab bullet explos varieti hp fine spec leav magnum power allow civi cartridg for handgun rifl us effect home intrud mugger rabid wolv and such nasti even firearm type limit time thi calib power limit reduc ultim lethal hit chanc averag joe encount gang huge individu drunk and stone pcp and crystal meth and bad attitud and arm and will die chanc get kill drive your car will you peopl realiz that and bear isn primarili intend for protect crimin and beasti wild grant big part militari style weapon can fight govern come door ten agent come door nice shoot for not uphold constitut abil will lot harder that puni weapon you list read federalist paper for clarif rkba document clear plenti misnom that friend mine had matt porter mporter ci ohio state edu mporter magnu ac ohio state edu
talk.politics.guns	chang name articl cmm thomasp holmenkollen ifi uio thomasp ifi uio thoma parsli write make newsgroup call talk polit gun paranoid talk polit gun move post waco and burn guess stop post thi newsgroup glad you save evil gover you mail thi regular mail peopl thoma parsli and talk evil aris europ label reactionari late negoti hitler and trust end bargain that stalin and chamberlin thought guess forgot teach you your countri overrun german wwii thoma and you outrag govern excess everytim isra conduct mass oper terrorist group that activ kill citizen and soldier world get indign for assault citizen relig minor and accus sexual deviat and hoard weapon find real iron thi happen dai gore arriv poland recogn sacrific made warsaw ghetto justif rais for arm assault black clad troop armor support jame cochran danger doubt run thi space prism gatech edu circl scream and shout for rent
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talk.politics.guns	mormon and jew articl apr midwai uchicago edu thf midwai uchicago edu write articl qvfik usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu john redelf write that big brother rub minor religion waco mormon jew koreshian rub mormon jew propens for dous kerosen not concern blame jim jone govern rememb masada jew kill captur roman not agre davidian admir willing die for believ jew had herman rubin dept statist purdu univ west lafayett phone hrubin snap stat purdu edu internet bitnet purdu pur snap stat hrubin
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl apr rti rti org jb rti rti org write articl rpoj ijv new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write had dai come hand nation trial deserv chose set fire compund hour tank drop tear ga thi person parrot fbi line fire set six hour tear ga inject suppos you want explain videotap footag shown nation last night tank ga inject tube pull inject tube second stori build build begin belch smoke and fire correct mistak earlier thi thread new report led inaccuraci sinc detail summari that show tank return late morn didn leav ga introduc earlier morn didn care children didn releas children week ago joe
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl apr rti rti org jb rti rti org write articl rpoj ijv new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write had dai come hand nation trial deserv chose set fire compund hour tank drop tear ga thi person parrot fbi line fire set six hour tear ga inject suppos you want explain videotap footag shown nation last night tank ga inject tube pull inject tube second stori build build begin belch smoke and fire joe not mention that stori rewritten todai two admit start fire forget don exist todai start fire and aerial surveil show start fire thi morn press confer tomorrow even thi excus evapor report point that brought arraing shout that tank knock lantern start fire curious and curious wayn warf wwarf uc indiana edu speak for clinton gore cia fbi dea assassin bomb wod bor atf ir resist nsa christian god satan apocalyps zog nazi socialist communist explos fundamentalist revolut nsc feder reserv constitut gold fema
talk.politics.guns	gun american express card articl uicvm uic edu jason kratz kind funni you pick part sister social worker and keep date gang thing skim that part jason guess that mean mistaken jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	gun control articl mzyk ulowel ulowel edu jrutledg ulowel edu john lawrenc rutledg write not uncondit not infring infring defin break ignor term oblig oath agreement law disreguard violat boundari limit tresspass encroach thi definit impli form exist agreement law and agreement made advanc right guarante constitut consid pre exist agreement that exist law grant such right law can guarante protect infring such right webster intern dictionari english languag unabridg infring break destroi defeat frustrat confut refut impair weaken commit breach neglect fulfil obei violat transgress encroach trespass infring act infring breach violat nonfulfil encroach trespass priveledg trespass stretch imagin you your idea infring right standard disclaim
talk.politics.guns	mormon and jew two situat analog you make dubiou claim that legal system provid equival treatment children that roman for conquer rebel analog call for branch davidian feel treatment line militari assualt peaceful effort serv warrant and week sieg such feel not complet irrat survivor and want institut civil right violat lawsuit treasuri dept claim that batf fbi blame for mass hysteria insan due process sieger shone light laser beam multi color spotlight plai loudli amplifi music consist tibetan chant heavi metal and coupl fear poor nutrit rampant paranoia like poor nut made even nuttier isn sleep depriv sensori overload etc part ag method tortur
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl aej cmuvm bitnet aej cmuvm bitnet write will surpris thi post make past censor mondai april edt murder foul thi murder atf murder butcher thi genocid mass slaughter innoc peopl includ children chalk for drive sympathi paranoid lunat predict thi start god sicken happen had hope wrong had hope that shred america grew and love left aliv wrong nazi won repeat thi time survivor last heard appar thi point found bodi kill initi assault coupl month ago cute koresh hit trail bodili assum into heaven wouldn that make reno dai david veal univers tennesse divis continu educ utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh you push elev shaft sometim think you don love anymor weird yankov
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi reveng idea size waco curiou small town that possibl not didn long burn watch abc and minut burn waco citi peopl popul temporarili rais peopl fed and state polic offic arriv you stai hotel room mile compound week ago never felt paranoid life state polic hotel claim had water turn fire engin had bring doesn hold had cut water sure turn back quickli didn want score settl messag clear don fuck will you not that that that govern tell true that messag want send wait dai messag charg not wait for dai and pound sound etc bunch dead member not side stori stori batf and fbi care right peopl clinton administr approv thi action fbi washington had approv fbi ga mask us bd finit life and close run couldn wait peopl supposedli aliv can stori bill clinton concern don you press matter attend small group peopl texa bosnia problem couldn wait wait long earlier gov mass suicid past had express thi real possibl decid wasn possibl raid apparantli feel korash not capabl driven conveni time thi mean that public and media will forget thi becom weari thi happen for peopl will investig independ whitewash possibl will unseal warrant and relat document will thi incid will batf version govern wouldn doubt batf cart blanch for abus effect support and approv administr clinton new that knew happen that hand fbi that you choos media will abus concern administr censur precid establish that fed can kill quantiti achiev aim target excercis right second amend and rest bill right and govern declar nice fellow had rocket launcher and such press and gov claim shouldn us religi cult for rocket launcher child abus cover bill right ll and clam will pleas dung tsow ping will pleas saddam hussein will pleas idi amin pleas stalin pleas even hitler pleas respect despot nod and bill clinton lot respect despot feel god bless america land free past tens overreact type not lot question that rais thi incid problem will and heard govt spoksewoman attornei gener almost rabid privat ownership gun ban assault gun and fbi had amaz restraint fall back into offici goveren line guiti child abus and into basi and note that liber elit give child spank regard child abus get state can your child you you spank your kid state that feder govern individu state govern clinton person approv thi oper told and and not surpris peopl boss charg and obviouli longer peopl that peopl haven charg for long time don govern thing past and maintain respons thi raid batf concern child abus batf not child protect servic polic had that charg and found not guilti gov peopl pretti silent terribl illeg gun supposedli and stress continu child abus apparantli make sort rescu oper figur hate child abus and us occasion refer ammunit posses bd and irrelev not illeg ammunit true illeg rocket launcher vain hope that honest investig will occur thi thing will simpli whitewash rug and busi usual will continu order dai order will offici titl thought polic and clinton and friend highli like thi point order govern will gun ten year late discov that will pai dearli for put thi fellow offic for decad come even die hard support doubt savior shit peopl dont want instant problem clinton offic for month give chanc gui had lot shit thrown lap begin give chanc work thing rome wasn built dai upset good civil individu right come propos decis for last month had bill right noth quaint curios highli doubt that that bad rodnei king trial two peopl respons ax bad ax fall tho for impeach nope prefer give bill month solv nation problem pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien jason uicvm uic edu
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl menudo edu hadcrjam admin edu miller jimmi write poqinnc clem handheld jmd cube handheld write articl rdaw dartvax dartmouth edu zed dartmouth edu ted schuerzing write tuesdai morn two arson yesterdai vanish and mention desir impress left kikk radio houston survivor ho pital jail inlucd two allegedli help start firess fbi brief mention made fire starter custodi even talk koresh grandmoth not talk even send tape messag total isol wasn total isol lawyer snuck time fbi etc back insid time includ dai final assualt not mother not media semper jammer jim miller texa univers and don speak for bad us becom student bill system student bill system power find stand stand ordinari man rik emmet gil moor mike levin triumph jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl apr mc kent edu mhamilto nimitz mc kent edu lawnmowerman write told david and follow that can heat stai kitchen pun intend thi top cold heart bastard list unbeliev had thi countri moral sunk thi low that death innoc peopl callous view flame aaah daniaalson yah wanna fight fight matthew hamilton mhamilto mc kent edu physic major ksuvxb kent edu lawnmowerman kent state univers ksuvxb kent edu for futur advic quot sai jibberish philosohi jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl apr new uit paal stud uit paal ellingsen write articl qsrinnc clem handheld jim arra write robi you govern suck heartless bastard human di yesterdai human not di fbi had not action that undeni truth question for long even fbi had noth guess bd commit suicid not hunger and thirst gave choic sucid surrend bd warn fbi action had chanc surrend and fair trial matter start fire bd respons for peol dy thi your opinion differ greatli can doubt fbi share blame paal ellingsen borgensvingen tlf paal stud uit kvaloeysletta data dobbelt arbeid til all jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
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talk.politics.guns	blast time happen waco not fault batf had proper equip and person captur compound initi assault and thi happen batf peopl weapon and armor transport meet hostil fire us forc retreat stand you job batf protect and proper equip and peopl job wod and increas crime street batf need blast good foke that price pai for law and order thi countri good peopl that di war protect thi great countri our arm build waco need hit that compound mega fire power blast and kill women and kid let burn death dai
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl aej cmuvm bitnet aej cmuvm bitnet write cnn report write thi that atf ignit build branch dividian ranch waco li atf hole made wall and lethal tear ga pump minut thi start thing build aflam escap obviou that atf us armor flame thrower vehicl pump unlit napalm wood stove insid ignit davidian koreshian start fire last heard est peopl ran into feild surround compound captur and two admit set fire don bui your napalm theori made great commerci for sig hell wood stove burn such warm dai flame thrower us liquid petroleum napalm gel disput your theori dilut ga insert understood correctli place didn start burn thi murder atf murder butcher thi genocid mass slaughter innoc peopl includ children predict thi start god sicken happen had hope wrong had hope that shred america grew and love left aliv wrong nazi won calm kid vernon koresh real name that not leav that compound aliv inhabit thereof had accept fact that kill repeat thi time survivor survivor caller rush limbaugh todai suggest that rest even hide underground bunker that not such wild idea weaponri and resolv god crosspost don slaughter children gorman american tear sheesh haven heard read such rant sinc hindenberg burn thi end dai ago glad tax dollar final stop work pai bunch gui stand and give press confer can back import thing catch cigarrett smuggler troi napalm stick kid
talk.politics.guns	clinton join list genocid socialist leader articl btr btr michaelh public btr michael hahn michaelh btr write pol pot kill read estim that pol pot kill neighborhood million drew betz gozer idbsu edu brought into your termin free state idaho you outlaw right outlaw will right spook fodder fema nsa clinton gore insurrect nsc semtex neptunium terrorist cia kgb deuterium
talk.politics.guns	blast time articl usenet in cwru edu oldham ce cwru edu daniel oldham write happen waco not fault batf had proper equip and person captur compound initi assault and thi happen batf peopl weapon and armor transport meet hostil fire us forc retreat stand you job batf protect and proper equip and peopl job wod and increas crime street batf need blast good foke that price pai for law and order thi countri good peopl that di war protect thi great countri our arm build waco need hit that compound mega fire power blast and kill women and kid let burn death dai that peopl govern deserv don worri you you sleep thought not govern approv list round and execut juli disclaim opinion belong cat and
talk.politics.guns	gun backcountri articl netnew upenn edu egedi ahwenasa ci upenn edu dania egedi write articl apr csd newshost stanford edu andi sail stanford edu andi freeman write articl apr midwai uchicago edu pkgeragh gsbphd uchicago edu kevin geraghti write wrong gun for protect mindset ignor you not threat you not affect aha that part that make nervou get decid threat base appear feel threaten action determin whether present threat and don carri gun for peopl tend fade due encount domest dog critter ain scare folk and can aggress stai and sit clean gun softli back and hike anoth mile freeli admit not afraid gun afraid peopl that bring into backcountri count that fear gun sens weapon maintain isn like present threat armi taught clean weapon daili sinc whether us you amaz sweati holster can trail dust will and guess you scare and explor post advisor nation guard special forc grunt and consid heresi wood weapon you wouldn notic tend avoid public scrutini that solv solitud problem carri gun and displai promin and won hiker will hide wood dania hip holster mix magazin pouch hold lotsa stuff canteen knive compass and such not easi notic chanc decid visibl prefer not sinc walk quietli activ area increas number human type critter jame jame cochran danger doubt run thi space prism gatech edu circl scream and shout for rent
talk.politics.guns	blast time delet sound twist wod and increas crime street batf need blast good foke that price pai for law and order thi countri good peopl that di war protect thi great countri our flame thrower don want tax dollar that kind philosophi good folk you talk peopl you inclin accept batf don bureau for milit paranoid freedom killer peopl you danger alcohol tobacco and firearm arm build waco need hit that compound mega fire power blast and kill women and kid let burn death dai nuke citi mean good soul real you sound racist guess life isn preciou you you realiz that children kill will never fall love won anoth sunris prom date footbal basebal noth doesn peopl narrow flame thrower
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl rynw new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write and suppos fbi prevent come hand nation camera watch watch two mile that happen explain veng filter humili agenc that quot scenario that simplest and plausibl not gener conspiraci theori that involv complic and scenario fbi letter martin luther king wife insinu that mlk affair exactli you trust supposedli benevol govern batf mean devoid fault handl thi affair suggest that intention start fire ludicr suspect that plenti camerapeopl will risk small arm fire good footag peopl told hell camera rang drew betz gozer idbsu edu brought into your termin free state idaho you outlaw right outlaw will right spook fodder fema nsa clinton gore insurrect nsc semtex neptunium terrorist cia kgb deuterium
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl aej cmuvm bitnet aej cmuvm bitnet write will surpris thi post make past censor mondai april edt murder foul cnn report write thi that atf ignit watch cnn report and never heard report that atf start fire specul that type ga accidentali start fire build branch dividian ranch waco li atf hole made wall and lethal tear ga pump minut thi start thing understand cnn report hour start build aflam escap obviou that atf us armor flame thrower vehicl pump unlit track vehicl that vicin build fire notic look armor recoveri vehicl type us tow tank battl field and not armor flame thrower vehicl napalm wood stove insid ignit point stove us warm dai texa that poor plane hope for wood stove ignit napalm stove not us and doubt that hour ignit thi murder atf murder butcher thi genocid mass slaughter innoc peopl includ children predict thi start god sicken happen had hope wrong had hope that shred america grew and love left aliv wrong nazi won clinton offic couldn resist flame repeat thi time survivor god crosspost don slaughter children gorman american tear short gorman assum titl don woman stupid make thi post don episod cnn you watch not that watch your tear seam blure your hear your ey sight excus mispel word product arkansa educ system slick willi doubl bubba ticket great improv tenour govern great state take nation and allow drop don and bring and back can rember sourc number can found michael rhein
talk.politics.guns	for infinit patienc articl apr jupit sun csd unb jupit sun csd unb fuller write for infinit patienc find hard swallow that prolong exposur massiv amount and that bomb drop move wouldn start fire real kicker state justif for govern sudden loss patienc wouldn rotat team thi outcom foreseen mile two reno didn even malcolm fuller survei engin univers brunswick good part thi point not negoti fbi spokesman bob rick new brief half hour fire began come come your hand thi matter crimin for billari won forc issu inform number figur bill us lesson rotc scorn you respons for that your unit troop fail want enjoi respons for violat constitut right group result death hundr feder agent jame jame cochran danger doubt run thi space prism gatech edu circl scream and shout for rent
talk.politics.guns	mormon and jew articl apr midwai uchicago edu thf midwai uchicago edu write articl qvfik usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu john redelf write that big brother rub minor religion waco mormon jew koreshian rub mormon jew propens for dous kerosen not concern blame jim jone govern thank that batf standoff kid cult commit mass suicid dont you that branch davidian commit suicid for minut not put past fbi lob incendiari grenad feed your stori don trust your wonder govern tell you janet reno and fbi murder hundr peopl hand hope can sleep night vasilion nmv suni buffalo std disclaim you cult hater happi hope that your not
talk.politics.guns	blast time articl usenet in cwru edu oldham ce cwru edu daniel oldham write happen waco not fault batf had proper equip and person captur compound initi assault and thi happen batf peopl weapon and armor transport meet hostil fire us forc retreat stand you job batf protect and proper equip and peopl job wod and increas crime street batf need blast good foke that price pai for law and order thi countri good peopl that di war protect thi great countri our arm build waco need hit that compound mega fire power blast and kill women and kid let burn death dai you forget put sarcasm flag standard disclaim
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi reveng articl coi boi dianem boi dian mathew write ahem war drug sponsor bush and reagan administr preced had set for feder agenc step peopl right won make excus for damag had clinton even enter race not mention last year weaver affair waco affair interest peopl interpret koresh and peopl basic mind busi weapon violat commit and wouldn disapprov prosecut for violat batf crimin for start negoti militari style assault and for fire into hous children and noncombat don couldn leav token guard place and wait bd don approv tear ga approach and caus fire start fbi agent respons spend year jail koresh respons tear ga kill hold larg respons for death don
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi reveng hmmm hadn heard rocket atf escal tall tail had rocket launcher and such press and gov claim shouldn davidian had not attack even threaten us religi cult for rocket launcher not govern legitim child abus cover bill right child abus jurisdict depart treasuri attack citizen due process strength unsubstanti rumor violat law not fall your jurisdict pretti breech right shit peopl dont want instant problem clinton offic for month give chanc gui had lot shit thrown lap begin give chanc work thing rome wasn built dai get will troubl mike
talk.politics.guns	mormon and jew hmm person that rememb masada thi isn time group commit suicid avoid persecut captur and you miss point that raid never happen place find fbi action damn reminisc warsaw ghetto fit that gore poland for event mark anniverseri that remov refer date and you two raid govern troop wear black uniform carri automat weapon back armor vehicl religi minor claim practic sexual deviant behavior and hoard weapon damn similar jame not advoc find situat damn troubl jame cochran danger doubt run thi space prism gatech edu circl scream and shout for rent
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi reveng rwing pat rwing pat myrto write for impeach yeah slickmeist and hillari buddi janet respons want resign desk yesterdai want thier butt feder civil right violat carri life prison penalti and contribut arlen specter presidenti campaign for nad launch senat investig glenn stone glenn ea gatech edu america distress flag upsid so save your republ longer exist
talk.politics.guns	friend neil smith articl undergrad math uwaterloo papresco undergrad math uwaterloo paul prescod write articl apr sco allanh sco allan heim write you can figur reliabl mean keep gun bad peopl not interf good peopl for problem method don trick don manufactur don sell don import japan thi requir total isol rest world for centuri gun will fewer and peopl will die hunt weapon allow long big and bulki and requir reload shot time can you shoot anim assum move hunt weapon great for extortionist sharpshoot send monei pick you mile tim starr renaiss assist editor freedom network new newslett isil intern societi for individu liberti market san francisco fax compuserv univers act selfishli starr geni slh udel edu
talk.politics.guns	ban firearm articl baec utkvm utk edu utkvm utk edu david veal write articl undergrad math uwaterloo papresco undergrad math uwaterloo paul prescod write articl hydra gatech edu prism gatech edu cochran jame shpleigh write gun ban and bunch show south florida easier trace and notic small rippl huge wave american gun craze teach cours rude canada don canadian cultur hand larg unit empir loyalist fled american revolut canucklehead tend cratophil govern love attitud author paul prescod line thi elitist bigotri and prejudic that canadian friend hate fellow citizen sort snobbish canuck irrat horror american democrat arm mob tim starr renaiss assist editor freedom network new newslett isil intern societi for individu liberti market san francisco fax compuserv univers act selfishli starr geni slh udel edu
talk.politics.guns	ban firearm articl undergrad math uwaterloo papresco undergrad math uwaterloo paul prescod write drug ban thi suppli will dry drug easier manufactur easier smuggl easier hide comparison you sir ignor fool noth drug busi gun busi tim starr renaiss assist editor freedom network new newslett isil intern societi for individu liberti market san francisco fax compuserv univers act selfishli starr geni slh udel edu
talk.politics.guns	weird scienc neil smith post cathi smith for neil smith weird scienc politician ly lip move not equal obviou that politician and politician and that phrase polit scienc subject interpret year ago heard scientist worri that ic ag come and that nuclear winter smoke and dust thrown into atmospher full scale intern unpleas possibl that even kill dinosaur didn hear that actual data support thi that real world event burn kuwaiti oil field tend discredit that propaganda meant weaken valu that made america success cultur histori and that dinosaur di plagu contin drift togeth expos germ miss lot thi listen close princ william sound site famou oil spill and mount helen weren suppos recov respect disast for year that turn not true you never watch network nightli new cnn doesn fit agenda inform that earth vast and resili and that natur rougher for onc media aren blame ignor scienc trust scientist unscrew inscrut troubl that todai scientist agenda govern that wellspr scientif wherewith offer grant investig state truthfulli that respect evid for global warm monei and power for bureaucrat and politician lie mass transit and hate automobil blame major mythic crisi sourc privaci and freedom find intoler appear true acid rain deliber hoax cook environment protect agenc hate privat industri capit almost your car and foist real scientist trickeri depend specialist field not talk each list common disreput thread ozon deplet for evid even suspect and contradictori for acid rain global warm last desper attempt indict privat capit era state central plan and command economi fail and can find thi final wither leg teeter decad anti nuclear alarm rest foundat myth and panic monger fail eras fact that nuclear power safest cleanest effici sourc energi mankind and point that greater amount energi individu societi freer that individu and societi becom honest studi effect individu gun ownership and defens crime conduct investig began ideolog oppon concept show massiv reduct result suppress recent california state govern and media didn recent epa discoveri effect secondhand smoke that harm smoker detect order two magnitud that associ fry bacon coupl time week keep pet bird make you whether claim that smoke cancer that real threat repres polit correct scienc world danger place nice hazard never believ smoke healthi practic lack credibl part todai scienc decid nicotin highli addict that can attest experi stress quit riskier continu isn corrupt influenc govern monei scientif establish two centuri ago found father spare agoni nation world subject time anoth creat legal barrier polit and religion each time short sight individu group lower barrier recent issu abort blood real human blood hot and smoke street wound shed real human blood shed scientif issu peopl live ruin loss agenc epa livelihood properti lifetim accumul diseas caus toxin associ burn fossil fuel for electr power ban thing cyclam die effect obes hope surviv civil for two centuri anoth barrier constitut separ state and scienc includ medicin knowledg valuabl real scienc won languish for lack fund monei will simpli come contributor unwil pai for li and will benefit neil smith author probabl broach crystal empir henri martyn and forthcom palla lever action bb fidonet libertarian second amend caucu nra life member opinion
talk.politics.guns	constitution articl qksp transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write articl apr atlastel brian atlastel brian sheet write and right feder constitut don understand statut can enforc individu govern can can cannot possess pass law not make law can figur you guess ask govern servent soveriegn can cannot possess that act possess machin gun crimin definit act possess televis set that pass law that that harm kill machin gun televis set that specif penalti for such that law constit court close not exactli bound obei uncontitut law and court bound enforc jur sec late sec brian sheet truck truck support engin atla telecom inc raider lost ark brian atlastel
talk.politics.guns	boston gun bui back ron miller wrote you question author sponsor buyback program whether will check for stolen weapon and answer total amnesti good point registr scheme us for harass delet point that thi receiv stolen properti and pawn shop owner thing myron petro nra uspsa dvc opinion includ thi post sole respons and protect amend and guarnte second amend amnesti concern pai cash moneyord and check gun turn stolen not thi gun turn stolen even want prosecut don prosecut sinc concern hci and peopl total erad gun legal illeg bother check for stolen properti knew right owner return gun and contrari intent ban gun
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talk.politics.guns	batf fbi reveng articl rwing pat rwing pat myrto write sick dismai discourag and asham administr for impeach call senat legisl and governor demand that warrant unseal and that involv thi atroc includ presid attornei gener and governor suspend pend investig doubt that will amerika rememb waco will govern decid murder you opinion mine don care you blame univers state
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl qvjh innh col col dduff col dave duff write nut case panic jump gun net get fact straight don understand thi watch satellit network feed perhap peopl di ey two huei fan flame and fbi stop firetruck gate wrong that scene perhap watch rambo movi dull pain fellow human dy god feel for you don for you deserv can you that even koresh sadist mad man deserv fate fact mad wasn that even reason dupe follow and innoc brainwash victim scenaro that justifi that death and not clear that death not occur batf not fuck initi and fbi impait and push korech edg and that you bui latest version stori hook line and sinker believ that not live embarrass batf and fbi sever rememb thi suspicion tax evas warrant wit fbi inform filter fbi had remot control pool camera instal build and press job and back fbi stori close video incur risk press not want public complet lack sourc inform fbi concern sick stomach and get sicker govern apologist jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl aej cmuvm bitnet aej cmuvm bitnet write will surpris thi post make past censor mondai april edt murder foul cnn report write thi that atf ignit build branch dividian ranch waco li atf hole made wall and lethal tear ga pump minut thi start thing build aflam escap obviou that atf us armor flame thrower vehicl pump unlit napalm wood stove insid ignit thi murder atf murder butcher thi genocid mass slaughter innoc peopl includ children predict thi start god sicken happen had hope wrong had hope that shred america grew and love left aliv wrong nazi won repeat thi time survivor god crosspost don slaughter children gorman american tear latest new that two survivor not survivor you rude put cap start fire won thing wacko waco ted schuerzing zed dartmouth edu thi not secret messag
talk.politics.guns	blast time daniel oldham oldham ce cwru edu wrote batf peopl weapon and armor transport arm build waco need hit that compound mega fire power blast and kill women and kid let burn death dai thi joke legal serv search warrant knock door toss grenad serv search warrant violat constitut and illeg compli legal search warrant past not understand batf us illeg mean serv search warrant last februari steve kao
talk.politics.guns	repli time editori dear member nra apr husc harvard edu kim scw harvard edu john kim write legal gun owner disagre even don ey ey issu nation group effect fought for right target shoot hunt and protect danger crimin time ain duck hunt ain lone perp lone street defend right govern fit ignor histori and attempt onc will succe don that nra bunch weeni forgotten that fundament fact pardon shout helluva lot peopl condit white fat dumb and happi suck that glass teat for worth wake and smell cordit gang shoot and high time shot back keyboard two bit glenn stone glenn ea gatech edu fly your flag half staff and upsid mourn and protest death bor
talk.politics.guns	ama support bradi bill articl ainnh tamsun tamu edu dlb tamut tamu edu daryl biberdorf write friend mine med student origin appear medic discuss list gun control ama express support for and bradi handgun violenc prevent act cite strong support for bradi bill past congress ama term alarm violenc associ and stem widespread and easi avail and us firearm ama proceed comment recogn that wait period busi dai handgun purchas will not address difficult problem that made violenc preval societi that begin and will save live physician hand wit horrend cost human life exact firearm violenc reason wait period purchas handgun protect that american peopl deserv letter senat howard metzenbaum and repres charl schumer march ama exact list live save tennesse california and wait period state david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.guns	blast time daniel oldham oldham ce cwru edu wrote happen waco not fault batf had proper equip and person captur compound initi assault and thi happen initi assault compound wooden farm hous burn ground for start caus fire thi happen atf can honestli justifi initi assault and handl properli question author snip wod and increas crime street batf need blast good foke that price pai for law and order thi countri good peopl that di war protect thi great countri our arm build waco need hit that compound show eviden repeat fbi atf told you mega fire power blast and kill women and kid let burn death dai you won mind atf dea raid your hous somedai bogu inform tip kill wound your famili accident raid fair price pai for law and order thi countri answer thi question honestli make anymor ignor statement even disturb control govern agenc citizen irrespons chiu
talk.politics.guns	chang name cmm thomasp holmenkollen ifi uio thomasp ifi uio thoma parsli write make newsgroup call talk polit gun paranoid talk polit gun move post waco and burn guess thi censor norwai tell run place wanna splain guess norwai surviv reich give you hint wasn passiv resist dane glenn stone glenn ea gatech edu wearer asbesto underoo
talk.politics.guns	riddl thi articl apr jupit sun csd unb jupit sun csd unb fuller write fbi mouthpiec thi afternoon press confer character quantiti ga pump into build massiv and specul that hour exposur davidian ga mask becom useless thi sound not harm you previou poster argu that fact that not rush escap burn build that and not govern action that start fire hand face full massiv amount escap burn tinder box that ranch hous assum effort cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	waco masada articl rtlj aqz usenet uc indiana edu wwarf silver uc indiana edu wayn warf write can peopl stand calmli burn death can choos death horribl thi stori doesn wash convinc fbi todai that koresh had earlier intend strap explos come fbi agent and deton lost nerv lost nerv for quick clean death not roast aliv don even nutti fruitcak ted koppel last night ubiquit australian woman claim that koresh train women year ago commit suicid swallow cyanid put gun mouth cyanid hand choos roast unansw question cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor aej cmuvm bitnet aej cmuvm bitnet write will surpris thi post make past censor fret not you made predict thi start god sicken happen had hope wrong had hope that shred america grew and love left aliv wrong nazi won not gun evil grin hei gang not duck hunt dark allei black clad helmet and boot troop storm hous and violat civil right color law you readi defend your constitut glenn stone glenn ea gatech edu
talk.politics.guns	blast time articl usenet in cwru edu oldham ce cwru edu daniel oldham write flame bait pure and simpl
talk.politics.guns	reword second amend idea articl apr ousrvr oulu dfo vttoulu tko vtt foxvog dougla write articl transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write articl ulowel ulowel edu jrutledg ulowel edu john lawrenc rutledg write massiv destruct power modern weapon make cost accident crimial usag weapon great weapon mass destruct control govern individu access result needless death million thi make peopl and bear modern weapon exist for state you come needless disagre count you that individu weapon mass destruct find hard that you support neighbor nuclear weapon biolog weapon and nerv ga properti cannot even agre keep weapon mass destruct hand individu can hope for don sign blank check doug foxvog weapon mass destruct mean cbw and nuke sarah bradi weapon mass destruct mean street sweeper shotgun and semi automat sk rifl john lawrenc rutledg weapon mass destruct and immedi follow thousand peopl kill each year handgun thi number can easili reduc put reason restrict rutledg mean term cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
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talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl apr guin idbsu edu betz gozer idbsu edu andrew betz write articl rynw new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write and suppos fbi prevent come hand nation camera watch watch two mile that happen explain veng filter humili agenc that quot you happen had peopl come hand week ago scenario that simplest and plausibl not gener conspiraci theori that involv complic and scenario fbi letter martin luther king wife insinu that mlk affair exactli you trust supposedli benevol govern not releas children compound david koresh vernon howel jesu christ lengthi excerpt australian documentari made that show that thi cult not pleas batf handl affair bungl badli start don respons for fire start two place batf mean devoid fault handl thi affair suggest that intention start fire ludicr suspect that plenti camerapeopl will risk small arm fire good footag peopl told hell camera rang drew betz gozer idbsu edu brought into your termin free state idaho you outlaw right outlaw will right spook fodder fema nsa clinton gore insurrect nsc semtex neptunium terrorist cia kgb deuterium
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor inncsd clem handheld jmd cube handheld write articl menudo edu hadcrjam admin edu miller jimmi write poqinnc clem handheld jmd cube handheld write kikk radio houston survivor ho pital jail includ two allegedli help start fire fbi brief mention made fire starter custodi yesterdai anoth yester dai catch imo conspiraci charg easili explain simpl fact that dai instantan new transmiss kind stuff get peopl don hell stori onc fact and suddenli cri whitewash start natur cover ass total isol wasn total isol lawyer snuck time fbi etc back insid time clude dai final assualt not mother not media damnfino tend issu absolut statement that viousli wrong face and tend inflam not inform isol signific not total semper jammer jim miller texa univers and don speak for bad us becom student bill system student bill system power find stand stand ordinari man rik emmet gil moor mike levin triumph
talk.politics.guns	fbi murder atf burn dividian jmd cube handheld jim arra write believ that not live embarrass batf and fbi sever rememb thi suspicion tax evas warrant wit fbi inform filter fbi had remot control pool camera instal build and press job and back fbi stori close video incur risk press not want public complet lack sourc inform fbi concern sick stomach and get sicker govern apologist put jim concern media complic thi grow coverup can you imagin media outrag lawsuit investig that emit govern media stori republican administr had initi blunder and examin happen student human phycholog area psy op found techniqu busi negoti that put firmli amateur rank thi amateur that thing size oppon psycholog profil you can bet your ass fbi had profession profil koresh koresh behavior emmin predict typic peopl move civil will fight death preserv isol typic koresh religi orient for such individu interpret govern assault apocalyps suicid accept altern consum apocalyps imho fbi knew thi and decid dai concentr psy op initi that apocalyps chose action design specif push koresh edg publicli appear act knew that koresh consid tank chariot fire mention book revel knew that send tank oop combat engin vehicl obstens perform ga insert love that newspeak push edg support evid koresh attornei mention earlier todai that koresh major concern biblic role tank station compound fbi reno larri king last night and new confer thi morn claim listen devic compound that true knew action drive brink knew push davidian mass suicid ration and reason agenc not interest kill peopl sign prepar for suicid pull complet back and rid armor continu ga insert point flame appear imag that will remain etch mind that tank strut back and front burn compound gloat kill step back and assess thi thing end bloodsh thi techniqu requir law enforc agenc interest constitution enforc law and preserv life achiev militari victori and vengenc nab koresh simpli announc pull back abandon assault torn concertina wire and remov armor maintain covert surveil compound and exploit ego flush exploit ego simpl simpl invit two tabloid talk show come and whip govern not resist nab left compound simpl clean and safe requir fbi execut tactic retreat and depriv reveng sought total question not that testesteron float jannet reno had show world big ball yesterdai sad sad dai for american system sick soul john john armond oqc interest high perform mobil perform engin magazin interest high tech and comput marietta send snail mail address jgd dixi perform dixi for free sampl mag lee harvei oswald
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl bigboot wpi edu mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein write articl aej cmuvm bitnet aej cmuvm bitnet write will surpris thi post make past censor short gorman assum titl don woman stupid make thi post don episod cnn you incrediblt sexist remark come mike possess you make such remark hope women read thi incens rememb woman good men women stand for your stupid men fact insist oppurtun even stupid men you us hei slow afternoon and don want back that report btw mega smilei for humor impair karl
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl qsrinnc clem handheld jmd cube handheld jim arra write articl new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write agre that deserv trial had dai come and trial chose children and stai insid chose stai insid even tear gass not find action ration even noriega smart give and for trial deserv robi you govern suck heartless bastard unworthi comment human di yesterdai human not di fbi had not action that undeni truth cri for di had come hand empti that undeni truth heart bleed for children never releas dai ampl opportun heart bleed for peopl blind religi devot not common sens leav compound tank and start drop tear ga earli morn you deserv not thi set fire start place and spread quickli want and put into motion batf investig justic dept and like arlen spectr and congress thi good bungl affair start jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	mormon and jew articl mtoinna cronkit central sun dbernard clesun central sun write gordon storga write gentleman forget genocid nativ american for barbar act heathen christian predominantli christian govern that year recal that for part religi persecut religion dictat lifestyl thi stretch fact great persecut indian christian great simpler state obviou that white peopl want land indian domin threaten don govern care hill bean indian religion nativ american girlfriend ask govern doesn care hill bean religion come bust for oregon washington and place you christian armi march you into church gunpoint michael mcclari mcclari netcom for faster respons address electron mail michael node
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi reveng donbc ewu netcom donb netcom write waco affair interest peopl interpret koresh and peopl basic mind busi weapon violat commit and wouldn disapprov prosecut for violat batf crimin for start negoti militari style assault and for fire into hous children and noncombat don couldn leav token guard place and wait bd don approv tear ga approach and caus fire start fbi agent respons spend year jail legal term neglig homicid koresh respons tear ga kill hold larg respons for death nice brain gener lack paranoia and willing put thought public tend agre you never assum foul motiv stupid will jim corrolari occam razor semper jammer jim miller texa univers and don speak for bad us becom student bill system student bill system power find stand stand ordinari man rik emmet gil moor mike levin triumph
talk.politics.guns	letter david skagg letter david skagg dem letter bit sharp tone writ reason and polit letter for year and return hci parti line sinc nra rate don that upset will harm you disagre recent event texa piss april repres skagg recent wrote you outrag tactic us bureau alcohol tobacco and firearm batf texa your respons you state that event texa underscor for stricter gun control legisl gun hand group such branch davidian question you ground you us deni access firearm can thi statement underscor your appar total ignor subject and highlight your person bia firearm thi two path gun control you referenc you talk access semi automat firearm thi case point that semi automat firearm legal area thi countri includ texa and colorado addit member cult never convict crime deni abil purchas weapon ground you deni gun religion fact live larg group alon you cult your church cult thi line reason you border concept thought crime you and pat robertson you refer alleg fulli automat weapon possess cult current law fulli automat weapon cover strictest gun control law thi nation david koresh illeg possess had circumv strictest law will law report that david koresh possess feder firearm licens permit possess fulli automat weapon true peopl perish mondai fire di that feder govern collect coupl hundr dollar tax gun david koresh didn declar heard claim that stockpil weapon number peopl complex even weapon not line gun ownership statist for texa sieg dalla worth for alleg stockpil face david skagg you vote for virtual gun control law that pass congress you claim that you for reason restrict bull handgun control inc struggl maintain paid member nra exceed member grow rate member per dai drive your district nra sticker dai year live hci bumper sticker you vote for your reason gun control law you repres your district you repres sarah bradi you william vojak april repres skagg recent wrote you outrag tactic us bureau alcohol tobacco and firearm batf texa your respons you state that event texa underscor for stricter gun control legisl gun hand group such branch davidian question you ground you us deni access firearm can thi statement underscor your appar total ignor subject and highlight your person bia firearm thi two path gun control you referenc you talk access semi automat firearm thi case point that semi automat firearm legal area thi countri includ texa and colorado addit member cult never convict crime deni abil purchas weapon ground you deni gun religion fact live larg group alon you cult your church cult thi line reason you border concept thought crime you and pat robertson you refer alleg fulli automat weapon possess cult current law fulli automat weapon cover strictest gun control law thi nation david koresh illeg possess had circumv strictest law will law report that david koresh possess feder firearm licens permit possess fulli automat weapon true peopl perish mondai fire di that feder govern collect coupl hundr dollar tax gun david koresh didn declar heard claim that stockpil weapon number peopl complex even weapon not line gun ownership statist for texa sieg dalla worth for alleg stockpil face david skagg you vote for virtual gun control law that pass congress you claim that you for reason restrict bull handgun control inc struggl maintain paid member nra exceed member grow rate member per dai drive your district nra sticker dai year live hci bumper sticker you vote for your reason gun control law you repres your district you repres sarah bradi you william vojak bill vojak vojak icebucket stortek nra ila colorado firearm coalit cb nightli propaganda dan not cb nightli propaganda dan bias
talk.politics.guns	randi weaver trial updat dai note trial updat summar report idaho statesman and local nbc affili televis station ktvb channel randi weaver kevin harri trial updat dai mondai april dai trial synopsi govern inform kenneth fadelei testifi that randi weaver sold two shotgun violat nation firearm act district court judg edward lodg ask juror not hear account waco fire influenc weaver harri case testimoni fbi special agent greg rampton appar end incid mention ktvb idaho statesman dai highlight testimoni kenneth fadelei had pose outlaw biker and illeg gun person name gu magiosono fadelei testifi that act inform for bureau alcohol tobacco and firearm deal randi weaver fadelei began state that had met weaver aryan nation summer confer hayden lake idaho two met octob note huge separ time restaur sandpoint idaho begin weapon transact state that weaver had felt weaver prepar danger for white two met octob restaur and citi park make sale thi second meet fadelei wear small record devic tape convers weaver allegedli show gaug shotgun inch barrel and length inch addition show remington gaug shotgun inch barrel and length inch nfa requir minimum inch for barrel length and length inch tape weaver report that perform work onc machin shop set two discuss possibl futur sale fadelei count hundr dollar for two gun and promis balanc hundr fifti dollar meet note that atf simpli arrest wait januari year arrest thi not explain meet place nov fadelei state that sourc had come hundr dollar hundr fifti promis thi point weaver suspect deal inform had gui spokan you bad fadelei manag convinc weaver idaho statesman state explicitli that tape made convers randi weaver each meet record statesman report that tape telephon convers involv vicki weaver randi weaver wife plai court phone tap tape plai court headphon and loudspeak object gerri spenc weaver attornei spenc ktvb report that want make that govern prove case case rule randi weaver tore headphon and wept heard wife voic tape district court judg edward lodg ask juror not hear account waco fire influenc weaver harri case exactli such inform affect thi trial not explain note sundai even report ktvb kevin harri unnam agent fbi admit that surpris that kevin harri aliv surpris that surviv initi gunshot wound sustain initi firefight junction randi weaver struck sniper fire sniper had report that harri had struck not weaver final report that fbi agent kill vicki weaver believ aim kevin harri thi report critic charg that fbi blatantli elimin govern wit death samuel weaver and deputi marshal william degan local peopl that harri surviv simpli due divin intervent tuesdai april will sixth dai trial kenneth fadelei testimoni schedul continu
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talk.politics.guns	incompet law enforc can kill sinc sieg waco start fbi spokesman stress unstabl and paranoid david koresh stress like branch davidian commit mass suicid concern safeti children fbi defus situat reassur koresh fbi offer medic assist fbi offer suppli water pump stope work permit koresh commun compound fbi harass branch davidian power light shine compound shut electr power put pump action assault ear loud nois cut commun and limit permitt state goal put pressur david koresh fbi attempt koresh surrend hope koresh mad that and follow attack tank appear that tactic emploi fbi drive koresh edg blame for death share feder expert tactic drove koresh edg and fool atf plane raid stupid and incompet batf and fbi leadership result needless death innoc peopl thing had plan peopl aliv todai atf screw and caus death incompet law enforc can kill you rod anderson nzo accept substitut boulder for brain silenc rcander nyx edu solomon short satellit nzo
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl mvpc netcom mvp netcom mike van pelt write articl utkvm utk edu utkvm utk edu david veal write cute koresh hit trail bodili assum into heaven wouldn that make reno dai snort sorta doubt bodi time thi messag get doubtless found bunch wouldn interest had tunnel and long hadn kill atf peopl origin raid laugh ass honest ryan
talk.politics.guns	gun control articl apr beaver washington edu graham washington edu stephen graham write worth note that miller sustain miller convict possess illeg firearm note that saw shotgun not proper militia weapon miller support limit govern regul firearm support base such regul ignor miller had disappear and bother present side suprem court that saw shotgun us world war trench and tight spot sinc gun had invent you turn you had clean allei loui vegetarian kill
talk.politics.guns	blast time articl usenet in cwru edu oldham ce cwru edu daniel oldham write batf peopl weapon and armor transport meet hostil fire us forc retreat stand you job batf protect and proper equip and peopl job batf collect tax not protect your ass mine wod and increas crime street batf need blast good foke that price pai for law and order thi countri flame bait you want flame bait send your address and batf automat weapon you stockpil you warm time cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	will burn explod fbi releas larg amount tear ga into compound waco tear ga fine power inflamm grain dust suspend air can form explos mixtur will suspend air form explos mix larg quantiti fuel rapid spread fire compound note direct followup talk polit gun rod anderson nzo accept substitut boulder for brain silenc rcander nyx edu solomon short satellit nzo
talk.politics.guns	blast time and thought unfortun peopl branch dividian brainwash don hold candl thi gui daniel oldham oldham ce cwru edu wrote happen waco not fault batf had proper equip and person captur compound initi assault and thi happen batf peopl weapon and armor transport meet hostil fire us forc retreat stand you job batf protect and proper equip and peopl job wod and increas crime street batf need blast good foke that price pai for law and order thi countri good peopl that di war protect thi great countri our arm build waco need hit that compound mega fire power blast and kill women and kid let burn death dai
talk.politics.guns	fbi director statement waco standoff interest complet thought reader newsgroup want fbi director william session statement releas fbi press offic fbi director statement waco standoff nation desk contact feder bureau investig press offic washington april statement fbi director william session branch davidian incid waco texa had hope make statement thi even care plan and extens prepar thought that todai effort fbi bring branch davidian compound result peac resolut stand meaning negoti face devast and death question that plan correct and conduct extrem profession and care applaud restraint shown agent face life threaten gunfir and for risk live end thi peacefulli greatest admir for courag and profession involv
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl aej cmuvm bitnet aej cmuvm bitnet write will surpris thi post make past censor mondai april edt murder foul cnn report write thi that atf ignit build branch dividian ranch waco li atf hole made wall and lethal tear ga pump minut thi start thing build aflam escap obviou that atf us armor flame thrower vehicl pump unlit napalm wood stove insid ignit minut translat into hour you you and guess your singl sourc new agenc cnn fail mention davidian pour kerosen and light plain view thi murder small scale jim jone type suicid fire kool aid atf murder butcher gui you wrong atf pump tear ga into compound branch davidian apocolypt faith set compound fire kill children surviv thi genocid mass slaughter innoc peopl includ children slaughter piti children young make consciou choic predict thi start god sicken happen had hope wrong had hope that shred america grew and love left aliv wrong nazi won you wrong good suggest that you deep breath and wait minut post make your fact correct make your alleg repeat thi time survivor you repeat wrong god god branch davidian crosspost don slaughter children don thi crap crosspost creation person opinion brent irvin you irvin uxh cso uiuc edu
talk.politics.guns	riddl hand face full massiv amount escap burn tinder box that ranch hous assum effort happen adob fortress hear thought thi cult stronghold kgbatf knew tinderbox didn talk head line and start huffin and puffin random
talk.politics.guns	riddl thi articl apr jupit sun csd unb jupit sun csd unb fuller write not harm gass mean that you can willpow stai insid indefinit suffer health problem emploi tunnel vietnam differ tear ga us vietnam make you wretch hard that your stomach come your throat not quit that bad you can defend you blow cooki chuck harri uqv chuck eng umd edu
talk.politics.guns	die koresh die explan feder law enforc offici happen waco anoth exampl survivor write histori book put bad light dave feustel myi feustel netcom begin forward reach alloc tax pai for interest nation debt that point feder govern will will busi for lack fund
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talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl hjy new cso uiuc edu irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin write articl transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write articl bigboot wpi edu mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein write napalm wood stove insid ignit point stove us warm dai texa you eat your food cold hear electr oven microwav popular electr stove metro area brent fed turn electr coupl week ago perhap you haven pai attent radio newspap thing import not give and left for dieter car salesman
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl rad transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write articl new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write origin question start fire and whether madmen insid compound repli saniti level insid and australian documentari made year stand began koresh and follow believ christ koresh had sex children and women marri men compound perfect children result great seed magnifi horn member describ wai not dissimilar jim jone describ point note you submit your faith and sex life for batf clearanc hurri deadlin april paid tax refer sex religion form comment and below meant address unstabl children build tear ga start fire fbi agent pass rigor psycholog examin and background check charg will undoubtedli explain decis great detail congress fbi want fulfil koresh propheci and nevertheless hit mark and read script line beat hell thoreau had clue imposs make foolproof fool ingeni agre that batf handl affair badli two escap compound fire deliber set cult member correct fbi that two cult member thi talk talk new report directli and relat detail will you won even recogn and will doesn person you put impostor nation camera thi point get conflict report survivor wait til light shed thi good you etern dark cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
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talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai unfortun that don japanes tradit hari kari for public offici salvag tatter honor commit offens human perpetr waco texa todai dave feustel myi feustel netcom begin forward reach alloc tax pai for interest nation debt that point feder govern will will busi for lack fund
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talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl hjy new cso uiuc edu irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin write napalm wood stove insid ignit point stove us warm dai texa you eat your food cold hear electr oven microwav popular electr stove metro area microwav don work electr engin person opinion brent irvin you irvin uxh cso uiuc edu jeff strait strait uicsl csl uiuc edu univers illinoi phone you ladi leav thi island you surviv basic recruit train you will weapon minist death prai for war
talk.politics.guns	mormon and jew articl apr midwai uchicago edu thf midwai uchicago edu write articl qvfik usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu john redelf write that big brother rub minor religion waco mormon jew koreshian rub mormon jew propens for dous kerosen not concern blame jim jone govern thi straight law creat that you can not automat weapon and for govern us level forc enforc that law doesn matter entir popul planet destroi long that law obei read you correctli
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl hjy new cso uiuc edu irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin write point stove us warm dai texa you eat your food cold hear electr oven microwav popular electr stove metro area and work fed cut your util cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl hjy new cso uiuc edu irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin write articl transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write articl bigboot wpi edu mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein write napalm wood stove insid ignit point stove us warm dai texa you eat your food cold hear electr oven microwav popular electr stove metro area brent show ignor onc power had cut for week and never live rural area think electr stove favor stop work power fail and power restor come slower countri citi ga stove and oven prefer person opinion brent irvin you irvin uxh cso uiuc edu jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl sou lnb new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write articl apr guin idbsu edu betz gozer idbsu edu andrew betz write articl rynw new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write and suppos fbi prevent come hand nation camera watch watch two mile that happen explain veng filter humili agenc that quot you happen had peopl come hand week ago didn happen scenario that simplest and plausibl not gener conspiraci theori that involv complic and scenario fbi letter martin luther king wife insinu that mlk affair exactli you trust supposedli benevol govern not releas children compound you author worship david koresh vernon howel jesu christ lengthi excerpt australian documentari made that show that thi cult give camera and time you and can present excerpt that show you cult leader guarente you view documentari you claim sourc not pleas batf handl affair bungl badli start don respons for fire start two place two place you thi wonder fbi you thi place batf mean devoid fault handl thi affair suggest that intention start fire ludicr suspect that plenti camerapeopl will risk small arm fire good footag peopl told hell camera rang couldn answer thi thi import question root suspicion drew betz gozer idbsu edu brought into your termin free state idaho you outlaw right outlaw will right spook fodder fema nsa clinton gore insurrect nsc semtex neptunium terrorist cia kgb deuterium jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
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talk.politics.guns	mormon and jew articl dif appl earlw appl earl wallac write koreshian rub mormon jew propens for dous kerosen not concern blame jim jone govern silli make thi statement fifteen minut fire start offici word fbi headquat that commit suicid logic that lantern stori credibl you can even pretend for happen clinton that jeff strait strait uicsl csl uiuc edu univers illinoi phone impeach klinton
talk.politics.guns	chang name thi censor norwai tell run place wanna splain guess norwai surviv reich give you hint wasn passiv resist dane had politician name isn exactli complimentari word nowadai vidkun quisl quisl can come exampl steve
talk.politics.guns	that silli outdat bill koresh and miranda articl apr csd newshost stanford edu andi sail stanford edu andi freeman write articl qib flk vela ac oakland edu aweslei vela ac oakland edu aweslei write confirm sniper die detroit sauter hine nightmar detroit rebellion sourc sauter and hine us congression hear newspap folk admit that report complet wrong excus understand amount gross neglig li never followup thi btw normal behavior for newsi followup isn new pleas accept life membership nation rifl associ and extend your organ good for continu success presid john kennedi march
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talk.politics.guns	nra address email usnail address for nra write letter encourag emphat that amend restor form that found father intend peopl howard metzenbaum intent dilut amend point effort for governmentski waco federalist paper thi kind tyranni amend suppos design protect honestli tank civilian popul attack helicopt and bear anti tank weapon intend mass armour weakli arm that civilian popul field tactic nuke govern tyranni thought happen hous run tank gov suspect child abus mine and illeg weapon show amend design and gov tank you govern serv naaaah not time us armour attack helicopt small countri amount busload and half civilian for jew not stop not jew for cathol not stop not cathol for lutheran left stop rev martin niemol didn verbatim you idea nra read thi never mind address god save jame barker portland state univers barker pdx edu
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write articl rad transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write articl new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write origin question start fire and whether madmen insid compound repli saniti level insid and that your argument you didn make you start question premis that fire necessarili act insan act neglig accid recal survivor claim that fire start tank knock kerosen lamp kind make argument rel saniti somewhat moot australian documentari made year stand began koresh and follow believ christ koresh had sex children and women marri men compound perfect children result great seed magnifi horn member describ wai not dissimilar jim jone describ point note you submit your faith and sex life for batf clearanc hurri deadlin april paid tax refer sex religion form nice evas maneuv chekov tail plainli complaint david koresh religi sexual procliv justifi arm raid bureau alcohol tobacco and firearm two escap compound fire deliber set cult member talk new report directli and relat detail will you won even recogn and will doesn person you put impostor nation camera not fetch compound insid compound don forget batf admit agent insid compound case thi point get conflict report survivor wait til light shed thi good you etern dark simpli devil advoc reason doubt boatload stand total swallow offici govern stori waco cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai robi chopin udel edu scott robi write mikei ccwf utexa edu strider write australian documentari made year stand began koresh and follow believ christ koresh had sex children and women marri men compound perfect children result great seed magnifi horn member describ wai not dissimilar jim jone describ don accur documentari koresh never convict crime children batf for child abus purview thi case strictli firearm violat thi inform irrelev discuss fbi agent pass rigor psycholog examin and background check charg will undoubtedli explain decis great detail congress fbi want fulfil koresh propheci charg will undoubtedli explain whether answer even remot resembl truth never and left aliv care whether propheci fulfil hold mean for surviv correct fbi that two cult member thi talk talk new report directli and relat detail will you confirm stori will not mike ruff thi thine mikei ccwf utexa edu true poloniu sacrific essenti liberti for temporari safeti deserv liberti safeti franklin
talk.politics.guns	gun good riddanc articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu you loos question vote your consid abomin matter hard you public opinion set rkba irrat fool such set rkba plenti peopl support thi end finish clinton administr your rkba will null and void tough titti govern will overthrown long that happen huge millitia compos men and women care countri will defeat forc evil klintonista peopl will prevail you arm citizen alon can overthrow govern thi you law enforc offici and member arm forc will turn peopl that entrust serv not you can count lot peopl armi marin air forc navi nation guard polic offic and join defend liberti and freedom american citizen count govern will not disarm start civil war you had discov wai make firearm number case firearm abus ruin your noth you can live sword die press you public vote public you flow histori you thi surrend your arm offic will collect wrong peopl will hide gun offic jack boot stormtroop will not find resist useless will overwhelm you time your neighbor will not you will you threat abstract crimin will idiot will realiz that don will includ you you describ happen will come for gun disarm citizen requir that cherish freedom and liberti suspend temporarili like never restor peopl fuck bad you kkk violent solut pass avoid situat encourag crimin you will safe such scott kennedi brewer and patriot david koresh cheap thug interpret bibl barrel gun atf spokesman atf cheap thug interpret constitut barrel gun
talk.politics.guns	amend dead good articl apr gnv ifa ufl edu jrm gnv ifa ufl edu yea million case yoi that firearm deter crimin ala thi not provabl that that case thi provabl million american year defend firearm case defend doesn even fire shot mere presenc gun oftentim deterr that need don violenc anymor take american and bear arm not solut violent crime problem thi countri honest law abid citizen unabl firearm will prei even crimin will acquir gun illeg channel expect start crime syndic smuggl drug into thi countri start smuggl gun thi will happen plenti econom incent for gangster illegali import gun into thi countri gun ban klintonista bulk firarem us unworthi and unnesessari oppon posessa cool jakcet you want argu you park space your woman short trivial and worthless statist por favor thi ruin you recoveri futur feder martial will come for your arm will you you danger think crimin thi your fault previou post that set you straight amend dead accept thi find anoth peopl and bear arm matter constitut that mean that even amend repeal peopl that american citizen fyi will and bear arm scott kennedi brewer and patriot david koresh cheap thug interpret bibl barrel gun atf spokesman atf cheap thug interpret constitut barrel gun
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl spov lre new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write articl qsrinnc clem handheld jmd cube handheld jim arra write articl new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write agre that deserv trial had dai come and trial chose children and stai insid chose stai insid even tear gass not find action ration even noriega smart give and for trial deserv robi you govern suck heartless bastard unworthi comment appar true opinion human di yesterdai human not di fbi had not action that undeni truth cri for di had come hand empti that undeni truth not fbi plan for thi happen and gunfir heard fbi keep folk insid not propos thi point that not undeni that walk yesterdai aliv todai heart bleed for children never releas dai ampl opportun heart bleed for peopl blind religi devot not common sens leav compound tank and start drop tear ga earli morn heart bleed for you bleed heart and doubt that you not feel for peopl you can not heartless thing you you you deserv not thi set fire start place and spread quickli want and put into motion want kind creatur you that you can thi batf investig justic dept and like arlen spectr and congress thi good bungl affair start agre thi let your god fbi investig jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	boston gun bui back mpetro brtph bnr myron petro write ron miller wrote you question author sponsor buyback program whether will check for stolen weapon and answer total amnesti good point registr scheme us for harass delet point that thi receiv stolen properti and pawn shop owner thing myron petro nra uspsa dvc opinion includ thi post sole respons and protect amend and guarnte second amend interest idea local bui back program institut list gun receiv and compar serial number list stolen gun and sue peopl respons for program gun destroi crimin charg can made receiv stolen properti destruct privat properti etc
talk.politics.guns	appl appl law unlaw us gun convinc american effect defens strike odd pro rkba argument present number compar hundr thousand even million instanc law abid citizen deter crimin activ valid likewis number gun caus homicid each year year surpris that evil antigun empir darth vader breath sound effect never compar legitim gun defens gun crime legitim gun defens includ case crimin shot not kill and case crimin not crimin gun homicid includ case sin victim di thi wouldn unreason that each crime measur involv gun consequnc and safe assum that gun base bank robberi last week will not suddenli turn into gun basd robberi homicid legitim gun defens assum that crimin deter commit crime crime had not deter case kim kim husc harvard edu
talk.politics.guns	gun am mark wilson respond tavar law exist and penalti you prosecut law trade for easi plea such gun law book noth trade order guilti plea gun law had not effect liberti don even enforc law and impos prescrib penalti hose citizen olx mad take toll exact chang old bailei bb bi bi houston texa yob sccsi home alt cosuard
talk.politics.guns	gun american express card articl uicvm uic edu jason kratz uicvm uic edu write articl apr csd newshost stanford edu andi sail stanford edu andi freeman shoot rang gang member practic shoot that gang member and not undercov cop even law abid menac minor btw sneer quot area that gun shop shoot rang border west side chicago that gang infest area bad thing that area friend that live close that area had problem folk that minor that your phrase you black you don deni deni you that minor gang not quot concern total obviou that weren practic for marksmanship don you never practic marksmanship take gun coat fast and start shoot that recommend practic ccw aim alon good for defens you can gun rapidli you andi obviou you prejudic made obviou not that live and that gang banger you live long becom pretti easi spot gang color gang sign etc prejudic subtl north isn last thing sister social worker make point find thing gang sign color etc interest nice thing can watch for live border west side citi understand you complet jason jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	luser aweslei wrote that entir point you exactli claim heard ey wit descript tank main gun respond sniper fire quit effect wasn wrong heard descript you pai attent mention that tank ey main gun fire account heard that help peopl judg whether not kick us your word bullshit filter state that claim thi falsehood post anoth part memori that damag build burnt rubbl base rememb and inclin sarg two fine you state that you claim that you inclin below for stronger statement your belief claim ludicr previous aweslei had written you can read troop grenad launcher prompt write fire fragmentari grenad doubt that fire concuss grenad perhap fire tear ga you perfectli will fire frag wouldn you sinc make your claim plausibl aweslei repli john strawman techniqu you feel you lose you stretch and knock that read noth fire and put noth you and your side thi for you not score you bore you mention grenad launcher support notion that tank shell build and support that notion conjur imag troop launch fragmentari grenad that ludicr wrote tank had fire main gun detroit peopl scream for past two and half decad aweslei reli glad you such expert nice hear author your basi knowledg had happen you sinc you such author you that peopl scream alleg massiv cover number peopl kill detroit riot claim dead offic number concis columbia encyclopedia heard thing that won dare repeat you assert that claim truth happen heard armi tank don fire cannon american citi common knowledg minor leader seiz and condemn and civil libertarian thi never hear basi for disbeliev claim reason disbeliev not poster written live detroit that time and knew that tank had fire shell thi usenet had happen rememb your research fail come support for claim claim extraordinari and support evid extraordinari not you count brag coupl guardsmen shoot shit not wrote you claim that nation guard manag cover aweslei wrote take tour riot pretti easi differ armi and guard troop recal year ago and recal armi run tank armi cover quibbl fine armi cover six year reserv taught differ you that two and half decad not guilt ridden particip come forward and shell american gave order fire cannon help cover wrote your mind open that good for you prefer live realiti and realiti find hard that tank even had shell fire aweslei repli level destruct detroit quit will that fire gun good can drop junk you not claim that your belief fail basic realiti check isn aweslei conclud bore shit bother read thi and you manag that you don account cite establish that don you don and bore yield last word you you want you you impun drop subject john scott
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talk.politics.guns	gritz jb liberti lobbi larouch christic insitut libertarian articl uicvm uic edu uicvm uic edu write note that gritz populist parti ticket david duke for veep found that duke lead ticket withdrew candidaci gritz gave chanc vice presid aviod support duke call that give chanc vice presid chanc populist parti ticket win essenti nil impli that doesn want associ duke robert
talk.politics.guns	appl appl law unlaw us gun articl apr husc harvard edu kim scw harvard edu john kim write convinc american effect defens strike odd pro rkba argument present number compar hundr thousand even million instanc law abid citizen deter crimin activ valid likewis number gun caus homicid each year year surpris that evil antigun empir darth vader breath sound effect never compar legitim gun defens gun crime legitim gun defens includ case crimin shot not kill and case crimin not crimin gun homicid includ case sin victim di thi wouldn unreason that each crime measur involv gun consequnc and safe assum that gun base bank robberi last week will not suddenli turn into gun basd robberi homicid legitim gun defens assum that crimin deter commit crime crime had not deter attempt show live save live lost gun relat crime don result live lost hand imposs success defens prevent live lost word live lost pretti clear homicid and neglig manslaught number live save percentag success defens that percentag doesn real high show that live save live lost semi relat point check kleck point blank into relat area written and inform case kim kim husc harvard edu michael phelp extern mjp vnet ibm intern mjp bwa kgn ibm mjp kgnvmy and last not disclaim opinion mine
talk.politics.guns	insan gun tote wacko unit fcrari ucsu colorado edu frank crari univers colorado boulder don anim attack murder each year and die manner you suggest murder kill wacko you wrong wors rape and aggrav assault each year number make violent attack and prevent thousand time signific accid you worri stat invalid talk backcountri stat for rape assault death not repres backcountri singularli great major repres urban incid you point thi rob
talk.politics.guns	gun control articl apr mtu edu cescript mtu edu charl scripter write thi mention regul militia confus federalist paper regul militia defin structur and follow nation uniform regul perhap you read federalist paper perhap you reread feder deal exclus regul malitia charact oblig great bodi yeomanri and class citizen arm for purpos militari exercis and evolut acquir degre perfect entitl charact regul militia talk regul militia nation uniform structur and disiplin will note you quot end thi paragraph state can aim respect peopl larg properli arm and equip and order that thi not neglect will assembl onc twice year you knew organ requir train larg group poepl twice year peopl year provid basic train peopl can integr into forc and find suitabl locat requir continu stand committe organ sinc regul militia nation uniform structur and disiplin and meet onc twice year train can you claim regul militia not organ will concid organ militia not necessarili regul militia peopl state that organ militia defin usc state militia unit state consist bodi male year ag and provid section titl year ag made declar intent becom citizen unit state and femal citiz unit state commiss offic nation guard thi deo defin militia adject regul usc not defin regual militia shape form defin can becom part regul militia federalist paper defin regual militia proper subset militia paragraph quot talk disciplin militia unit state fit charact regul militia thi paragraph state associ cost form annual deduct product labor countri amount calcul present number peopl not fall short expens civil establish state attempt thing abridg mass labor and industri consider extent unwis and experi made not succe not long endur anoth quot provid charl scripter jame madison federalist paper gener welfar claus noth natur common us gener phrase and explain and qualifi recit particular phrase peopl and bear arm not infring qualifi explain phrase regul militia secur free state definit explain state american hertitag dictionari enlish languag colleg edit make plain comprehens remov obscruiti elucid economist undertook explain thi puzzl defin explic expound explain plan offer reason for answer for justifi explain error second phrase not explain second phrase qualifi definit for qualifi describ enumer characterist qualiti character make compet suitabl for offic posit task give legal power make legal capabl modifi limit restrict give except make harsh sever moder grammar modifi mean word phrase sinc peopl and bear arm not infring not describ modifi make harsh and noth grammar sort posit task process elimin fall into definit and sinc deal legal power thing constitut correct definit thi case peopl and bear arm legal power regual militia and thi legal power not infring you scripter you provid evid that second amend concern itseft peopl form regul militia and untrain person and bear calib machin gun and sinc total untrain us firearm personli meant correct nra gun safeti and join gun club cannot legal bui such machin gun conclud court and democraticli elect congress agre categori rutledg mean destroi liberti and right mean destori liberti and right that particip discuss exactli libertu and right forc version liberti and right begin statement liberti and right that second amend state express such state mean intend forc view don effort not forc view and not destori liberti and right state that noth written will write matter liberti and right final word for person and final word liberti and right cleari and irrevoc belong modern document john lawrenc rutledg smart index and hyper link stretch research assist world data net terribl frustrat flip back and interact media group page and crude flat illustr that comput scienc depart never even move anim umass lowel arrow zoom in complet lack univers av for sound lowel baffl problem word normal text you touch unfamiliar word and definit jrutledg ulowel edu pop below david brin earth
talk.politics.guns	handgun restrict bb billand tsoft net subject handgun restrict newsgroup talk polit gun repli tsoft net organ crai research inc bcc articl tsoft net you write restrict purchas handgun wait period background check etc state nevada and oregon bill bill anderson bb billand tsoft net oregon your background check fingerprint full slap dai wait period that you ccw requir meet erni smith erni oregon crai
talk.politics.guns	arm citizen april articl apr ld loral kendal ld loral colin kendal write articl apr dazixco ingr crphilli hound dazixca ingr write arm citizen mere presenc firearm shot fire prevent crime instanc shown new report arm citizen perhap note that account cite shot fire twelv describ case assail wound shot and six describ case assail kill shot and had not citizen accept moral respons protect live innoc victim ly dead and crimin walk street perpetr crime ron phillip crphilli hound dazixca ingr senior custom engin intergraph electron east evelyn avenu voic mountain view fax
talk.politics.guns	gun control articl qicep obf transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write articl apr beaver washington edu graham washington edu stephen graham write articl qhpcn transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write john public gun suprem court rule case such miller and verdugo urquidez that that exactli amend protect thi interpret can found back dred scott case worth note that miller sustain miller convict possess illeg firearm note that saw shotgun not proper militia weapon note that had claim that proper militia weapon despit us two war thi true sinc miller lawyer appear court not sustain miller convict don text case handi shotgun had us wwi spanish american war and civil war that not question possess saw shotgun weapon alter improv conceal miller support limit govern regul firearm don argu thi road you will abid consequ that you find end that law abid common man weapon that militia purpos handgun saw shotgun and fulli automat weapon that fact thi decis you free produc evid that not will abid implic thi don heartedli endors nra posit not mean that oppos rkba thi attitud make nra unpopular stephen graham graham washington edu beaver june graham
talk.politics.guns	luser establish that don you don and bore yield last word you you want you you impun drop subject john scott kind you
talk.politics.guns	gun backcountri articl qkcok usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu john gever write read thi group actual honest god experi violent crime backcountri shenandoah vallei woodstock virginia wife friend wife and kid hike total desol mountain area sudden larg rock began rain punk gleefulli let loos rock obviou stash coupl hundr feet meanwhil women and kid scream and run for cover and punk shriek laughter and friend yell for knock respond that and friend drew pistol and fire coupl time into tree head ran pound rock come head proceed journei and friend evolv violent level experienc guess harder understand and cope anger that societi had instil and drive such thing guess that cross bear brad
talk.politics.guns	gun talk legisl updat for state vike iastat edu dan sorenson write lvc cbnew att larri cipriani write iowa firearm relat bill dead senat file deal duti polic offic carri conceal remain viabl power word processor and stamp work fact that state rep gener live mile constitu doesn hurt dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame particular senat file thi bill deni duti polic carri conceal inform that iowa discretionari permit polici ccw polic duti carri conceal inclin oppos don duti polic offic right civilian law polici prevent law abid citizen arm for defens duti polic offic treat differ
talk.politics.guns	carri arm articl apr spdc dwhite epcot spdc dan white write haven lost bear arm that state texa citizen gun and carri home busi citizen sever restrict bear area texa you cannot carri your car travel defin travel across counti line thi come court rule legal restrict carri weapon home texa legal carri handgun travel and and sport activ chapter texa state penal code not restrict long gun legal carri and transport long gun place texa regard clai
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai jmd cube handheld jim arra write edu not tow parti line you jim you outcast commit ultim colleg student heresi not liber thi not liber bash mike thi thine mikei ccwf utexa edu true poloniu sacrific essenti liberti for temporari safeti deserv liberti safeti franklin
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch updat liber weeni come woodwork defend burn children drool watch coverag had that nazi germani yeah atf fbi claim media that survivor number vari minut minut
talk.politics.guns	mormon and jew minor point interest earlier new report claim quot governor texa holi refer dividian mormon and call for expuls texan detail
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor steiner jupit cse utoledo edu jason steiner write hear electr oven microwav popular electr stove metro area electr natur wonder govern never cut power peopl besieg you thi dumb act for sake argument jason didn electr power don find idea davidian calmli cook lunch ga mask fbi knock build credibl not thi discuss relev start made wholli unsubstanti alleg that wood stove nite napalm fbi shot into build not grovel apoligist for fed wild cusat thi ridicul and obfusc legitim critic conduct thi affair tom gift tomgift uxa cso uiuc edu
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch updat nut case panic realiz made complet fool front thousand netter back earlier rash statement god merci
talk.politics.guns	atf comment atf botch handl thi case dan and anoth hasn enyon heard leader recon thi leader assult and object chang that affect mission even freshman cadet rotcland part lie cold ground for hour heard atf hire local rotc gui andrew diederich dieder spot colorado edu opinion mine altern tuesdai
talk.politics.guns	impeach clinton reno fact janet reno and bill clinton admit respons even grief death waco fact start fire thing tape make civil right case two cruel and unusu punish dy tortur rabbit tape come mind fact feder feloni infring civil right color law death involv thi offens carri penalti life prison fact impeach allow for high crime and misdemeanor that feder feloni qualifi conclus choic honest peopl impeach clinton and remov reno offic glenn stone glenn ea gatech edu wearer asbesto underoo
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor cdt stratu tavar write mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein write point stove us warm dai texa you eat your food cold you for point obviou peopl miss can stand peopl reaction defend aggressor tavar you uniqu and thought get heart matter and you for put good us mike ruff thi thine mikei ccwf utexa edu true poloniu sacrific essenti liberti for temporari safeti deserv liberti safeti franklin
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin write glenn ea gatech edu write hei gang not duck hunt dark allei black clad helmet and boot troop storm hous and violat civil right color law you readi defend your constitut crazi fatigu clad survivalist type blast snot peopl accident strai land name defens count dead govern action kill last year manner you describ fact silli forgot you don gun you don stinkin fact don righteou gun toter don smug gun hater mike ruff thi thine mikei ccwf utexa edu true poloniu sacrific essenti liberti for temporari safeti deserv liberti safeti franklin
talk.politics.guns	mormon and jew articl aej cmuvm bitnet aej cmuvm bitnet write minor point interest earlier new report claim quot governor texa holi refer dividian mormon and call for expuls texan detail davidian year splinter seventh dai adventist that inform you for cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl tbwr new cso uiuc edu tomgift uxa cso uiuc edu tom gift write didn electr power don find idea davidian calmli cook lunch ga mask fbi knock build credibl don quickli you can woodstov heat cold start mine take hour not thi discuss relev start made wholli unsubstanti alleg that wood stove nite napalm fbi shot into build mox nix prepar provid heat and light and for week power that mean compound contain contain flammabl liquid gase that bust tank intrus ignit sourc can for time not grovel apoligist for fed wild cusat thi ridicul and obfusc legitim critic conduct thi affair contrari propos altern scenario peopl come wild conclus fed absolut posit fire start even posit and stori hear prison hourli cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	and firearm law question coupl question for you firearm law expert question nra ila state firearm lawbook wisconsin unlaw for person peac offic arm conceal and danger weapon statutori provis for obtain lixens permit carri conceal weapon juri instruct that arm firearm person control and for us thi mean that open carri allow open pant holster consid conceal had jacket and partial cover weapon allow carri conceal not allow period question understand evanston ordin ban handgun thi provis penalti you found you us handgun defens shoot your apart citi law appli your impend trial for shoot state law short barrel weapon short barrel shotgun interest handgun not that shorten carbin colt marlin thing chanc get ccw permit rich famou relat mayor send repli mail thing pile faster can handl steve syck syck miller uwm edu
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin write cdt stratu tavar write mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein write point stove us warm dai texa you eat your food cold hear electr oven microwav popular electr stove metro area hei einstein us electr stove microwav electr shut for week courtesi your local fbi assault squad you put your foot your mouth crowbar and assist you mike ruff thi thine mikei ccwf utexa edu true poloniu sacrific essenti liberti for temporari safeti deserv liberti safeti franklin
talk.politics.guns	gun good riddanc cdt stratu tavar write jrm gnv ifa ufl edu write surrend your arm offic will collect resist useless don you borg warner haaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha hee hee chuckl thi absolut fabul fell chair laugh wonder tavar hat you mike ruff thi thine mikei ccwf utexa edu true poloniu sacrific essenti liberti for temporari safeti deserv liberti safeti franklin
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write you happen had peopl come hand week ago will you answer question top suggest camera pan plant automat weapon show trial and medal for valiant forc lawn order cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl apr batman bmd trw auerbach batman bmd trw write women stand for your stupid men attornei gener determin past dai hope king beat will not reduc public confidinc law enforc tactic tear ga and drive tank wall waco intend peaceful solut crisi tactic intend prevent mass suicid never expect sect react kill comfort that wasn clinton choic frank crari boulder
talk.politics.guns	raid justif blast time articl chu pandora sdsu edu chiu nosc mil franci chiu write initi assault compound wooden farm hous burn ground for start caus fire thi happen atf can honestli justifi initi assault and handl properli listen clock new channel dalla trot list justif produc atf month investig for raid couldn junk thi list for exampl bd accus stockpil bunch and ammunit that can us and assault rifl imagin that had ammunit had aluminum dust yeah compon thermit haven heard that illeg grinder aluminum lawn furnitur thing list that conceiv illeg grenad launcher thi month investig for thi peopl di die welt ist all zerfal ist peter cash apolog ludwig wittgenstein cash convex
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch updat articl aej cmuvm bitnet aej cmuvm bitnet write liber weeni come woodwork defend burn children drool watch coverag had that nazi germani yeah atf fbi claim media that survivor number vari minut minut
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor shed light fire wide report etc that wit folk start fire report that fire broke place onc rule bradlei knock lamp etc discuss thi incid move made and proper problem tactic watch abc special tonight cnn and nightlin question atf and fbi action koresh compound time feb raid wait result outcom fbi action blare loudspeak etc action and question action gener proper reserv point fan janet reno had ball ahead and full respons waffl boi had problem figur stood issu
talk.politics.guns	gun control liter and erudit individu rutledg discuss thi topic frankli anti rkba poster refus even approach topic origin understand bill right detail write era thi refresh second apolog for leav discuss for dai brigad quarterli drill thi weekend and need attend matter pertain state militia peopl feel that concept militia anachro nism that place centuri not swiss agre and perhap discuss militia organ and unorgan fit into defens plan state mississippi not assum that thi describ peculiar southern state for instanc commonwealth massachusett organ militia member report maintain stock riot gun and machin gun law state will vari similar titl mississippi code defin militia bodi citizen state ag seventeen and sixti two year militia divid into class nation guard mississippi state guard and unorgan militia nation guard strang sort fish constitut perspect state militia and feder reserv discuss thi para constitut arrang quit interest somewhat scope thi discuss suffic that thi date nation guard ceas constitut stand feder reserv forc mississippi and state maintain pure state organ militia mississippi thi call state guard state call state guard exist cadr train corp made experienc offic and senior nco serv volunt compens drill monthli basi compani and battalion level brigad onc quarter and annual drill organ state author cadr strength thi skeleton organ flesh muscl and sinew need will come unorgan militia time invas insurrect calam governor can order activ state guard thi take place call will made for volunt fill organ conting strength full strength event that suffici number peopl fail volunt law detail instruct for conduct draft unorgan militia size state guard not law execut order time organ militia mississippi consist regiment needless state not armori brim weapon equip such forc histor preced for arm such forc us privat arm militiamen hope that demonstr that state militia long dead anachron that claim simpl state that peopl join organ militia and state that militia that meet onc twice year organ and thi state readi that claim peopl state readi expect militia state hamilton hamilton you hamilton opinion sole repres opinion found father you will chosen highli skew sampl set hamilton extrem federalist end polit spectrum such cox and henri can chosen repres end contemporari felt that idea stand armi sort even select militia train band contrari egalitarian natur govern ment strive perfect compromis reach provid for small armi had refinanc two year and iron clad protect for militia remain terribl and irresist protect includ state control not feder limit feder util militia execut law suppress insurrect and repel invas and and bear arm prevent british had lexington limit eventu prove oner feder govern ment that skirt creation nation guard nation guard creat for simpl reason constitut militia had prove unreli for fight war imperi expans spanish american war constitut provid that militia emploi feder govern limit purpos back war militia unit had refus leav unit state territori attack enemi constitut author for conscript into feder militari and militiamen protect war american left countri arm volunt nation guard act requir that each member enlist reservest armi exist soldier grandfath grandfath individu refus franc and refus upheld feder court rutledg state that second amend appli member organ militia pre constitut histori american militia show rel period militia close meet messr rutledg hamilton definit organ period peac french indian war and revolut compani simpli stop drill and had reconstitut prior revolut perhap rutledg care argu that ancestor answer lexington alarm had forfeit right unit didn drill for year not bold repeat nation guard for merit not militia describ constitut hamilton henri cox fact that feder govern and state delinqu attent and organ constitut militia diminish respons right militia detail constitut misunderstand natur and purpos militia error that crept into modern read constitut constitut prohibit state keep troop ship war time peac heard insist thi prevent state maintain militia thi come peopl todai not understand mean word centuri usag todai call larg vessel ship centuri word describ kind vessel ship larg vessel mast each carri squar rig sail brig two mast contemporari usag state prohibit keep largest warship dai capabl global oper todai equival prohibit state keep nuclear missil troop thi time meant full time profession militari organ studi contemporan write will bear thi respect agreement rutledg person involv mainten and advanc militia viabl mean defens for modern societi frequent bemus and sadden friend and associ wax poetic place unorgan militia and becom strang silent scarc invit attend drill state militia donald newcomb univers southern mississippi dnewcomb whale usm edu thi tax and spend tax dnewcomb falcon usm edu and spend democrat offic
talk.politics.guns	riddl thi articl apr jupit sun csd unb jupit sun csd unb fuller write that ga not harm sensit care janet reno describ tear ga larg concentr danger even toxic for small children thi make fbi supposedconcern for safeti children hypocrit frank crari boulder
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl inneah clem handheld jmd cube handheld jim arra write articl sou lnb new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write articl apr guin idbsu edu betz gozer idbsu edu andrew betz write articl rynw new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write and suppos fbi prevent come hand nation camera watch watch two mile that happen explain veng filter humili agenc that quot you happen had peopl come hand week ago didn happen and respons for not happen not children koresh call shot talk lawyer and fbi sinc releas safe sane reason for keep children insid compound scenario that simplest and plausibl not gener conspiraci theori that involv complic and scenario fbi letter martin luther king wife insinu that mlk affair exactli you trust supposedli benevol govern not releas children compound you author worship not you koresh worship david koresh vernon howel jesu christ lengthi excerpt australian documentari made that show that thi cult give camera and time you and can present excerpt that show you cult leader guarente for laugh dai silli supposit you view documentari you claim sourc new show that show lengthi excerpt had interview filmmak made documentari basic confirm shown excerpt time spent compound not pleas batf handl affair bungl badli start don respons for fire start two place two place you thi wonder fbi you thi place that thi report local radio report site fire start stori tower time two stori window shown coverag batf mean devoid fault handl thi affair suggest that intention start fire ludicr suspect that plenti camerapeopl will risk small arm fire good footag peopl told hell camera rang couldn answer thi thi import question root suspicion thought mention reagan and militari treat press grenada and that set preced decid wasn worthi discuss new report shot you can bet famili sue govern for let into danger area root suspicion mind peopl wouldn flee build that had numer exit minut time burn didn flee hour earlier tear ga introduc can find ration explan for behavior
talk.politics.guns	cold war won articl apr linu mitr org glover taf mitr org graham glover write reason that unit state america time repres and protect freedom individu liberti and person respons and fact that thi true and that totalitarian absolut govern control and tyranni repres freedom opposit usa win cold war not usa hope for yelsen you spell fail referendum and hard liner standard disclaim appli graham glover unmutu jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	riddl thi articl inn mojo eng umd edu chuck eng umd edu chuck harri uqv write emploi tunnel vietnam tear ga us vietnam make you wretch hard that your stomach come your throat not quit that bad you can defend you blow cooki ga not ga exposur result projectil vomit loss essenti muscl control inabl concentr ration and fatal reaction signific fraction popul for that reason us limit militari applic frank crari boulder
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl vqinneb clem handheld jmd cube handheld jim arra write articl spov lre new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write articl qsrinnc clem handheld jmd cube handheld jim arra write articl new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write agre that deserv trial had dai come and trial chose children and stai insid chose stai insid even tear gass not find action ration even noriega smart give and for trial deserv robi you govern suck heartless bastard unworthi comment appar true opinion your opinion truth human di yesterdai human not di fbi had not action that undeni truth cri for di had come hand empti that undeni truth not fbi plan for thi happen and gunfir heard fbi keep folk insid not propos thi point that not undeni that walk yesterdai aliv todai you can that you undeni that peopl left compound unharm and aliv earier standoff and sinc leader preach that apocalyps you can not undeni that wouldn mass suicid fbi had simpli stai and wait anoth dai heart bleed for children never releas dai ampl opportun heart bleed for peopl blind religi devot not common sens leav compound tank and start drop tear ga earli morn heart bleed for you bleed heart and doubt that you not feel for peopl you can not heartless thing you you heartless bleed heart you not make sens you concern that children insid thi compound had dai that sound pretti heartless heard new that survivor regret hadn stai inferno prove loyalti koresh thi make sad and sick you deserv not thi set fire start place and spread quickli want and put into motion want kind creatur you that you can thi you heard jonestown sad thing peopl insid compound author worship and author koresh howel peopl for like lot survivor todai koresh preach fieri apocalyps earli last year batf investig justic dept and like arlen spectr and congress thi good bungl affair start agre thi let your god fbi investig mean fbi investig btw thought second ammend god jim jmd handheld
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor tenu nodak edu green plain nodak edu bill green write shed light fire wide report etc that wit folk start fire report that fire broke place onc rule bradlei knock lamp etc thi bd had lamp tank made hole build notic video that appear that wherev smoke come build tank nearbi fact that appear that fire start place not rule wit heard fbi spokesman cnn wit peopl drive tank point fan janet reno had ball ahead and full respons waffl boi had problem figur stood issu bad noth will happen fbi and media job dwayn jacqu fontenot
talk.politics.guns	gun control articl apr mtu edu cescript mtu edu charl scripter write you didn even capit correct read usca constitut correct version constitut thi stupid nitpick capit rule late centuri quit todai and post match current capit rule don make and such thing late seventeen hundr origin constitut militia arm etc capit simpli noun thi german special signific word simpli capit capit denot special emphasi pete zakel phz cadenc uunet cadenc phz ari mar apr you pioneer type and hold peopl contempt you quick temper impati and scorn advic you not nice
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai rynw new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write and suppos fbi prevent come hand nation camera watch you come you knew nation camera mile and agent gun yard had contact lawyer inclin had idea situat thi lead conspiraci theori that lawyer had batf pin right violat act wit arson doubt that quit clear that leav safe place surrend stupid thing that place longer safe you disbeliev fbi matter allow view heard reserv judgement trial fbi concern statement carri amount weight photon rest batf mean devoid fault handl thi affair suggest that intention start fire ludicr ludicr plausibl juri fire set accid peopl compound expect cult member flee compound come shoot that get like cult member hole enforc place insid build decent arson attempt suspect trap addit introduct ga for hour render immobil not unconsci mask quit prop prove scene plai difficult certainti that fbi and batf wit dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
talk.politics.guns	proper gun control proper gun cont articl jgz ssd intel hai ssd intel kirk hai write point that error termin began post six month purchas firearm privat email can produc archiv post earlier januari and purchas firearm march guess year kirk hai nra life seventh gener read and consult rec gun summer purchas firearm earli march thi year not for lack desir for firearm you understand purchas rifl shotgun didn want case kim
talk.politics.guns	cop kill teenag acn colost edu holland colost edu dougla craig holland write suspend polic offic arrest reveng tripl homicid provid polic offic afraid fire for allegedli assault teen ager walk into auto bodi shop wher youth work you die and fatal shot and two polic fourth youth wound escap injuri hide car suspend polic offic robert sabetta cranston arrest gunpoint hour shoot wilson auto enterpris foster rural town peopl northwest rhode island doug holland updat info thi understandingi that offic cranston approach teenag question anoth offic offic cranston struck teenag head heavi polic flashlight caus signific not life threaten evid that teenag threaten time teenag releas bail recogniz and file formal complaint offic cranston polic chief suspend cranston pend investig into us excess forc pretti clear happen thi chief request cranston gun cranston refus turn chief cranston home sourc cranston had want cop and afraid loos job complaint dai afterward cranston allegedli walk into wilson garag teenag and friend hang and work car hobbi cranston fatal shot teenag teenag and teenag shot onc shoulder chest teenag work car and not notic offic cranston teenag home and summon polic wilson garag and found corps and unscath survivor dai arrest offic cranston attemp commit suicid cell case kim
talk.politics.guns	knew happen talk polit gun jagst pitt edu josh grossman write josh agre you respect your spell error gov mnt win even kill man women and child god win cost thi happen and and thi countri let make excus worthless press cover offici heat for top manag stupid etc etc sick greif for entir thi nation and constitut claim protect josh morti
talk.politics.guns	boston gun bui back gun buyback denver bui back trade gun for denver nugget ticket pretti bust gun turn new hype includ load you pictur side note new report that gun check for whether not stolen stolen gun will return owner thi ralli capit step yesterdai support rkba even ralli made new channel ron miller
talk.politics.guns	waco masada flame wreckag wrote congressmen strongli word letter demand dissolv batf perhap anger and grief can spur letter write campaign ron miller
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write articl new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write articl rad transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write articl new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write origin question start fire and whether madmen insid compound repli saniti level insid and that your argument you didn make you start question premis that fire necessarili act insan act neglig accid recal survivor claim that fire start tank knock kerosen lamp kind make argument rel saniti somewhat moot and anoth survivor claim heard shout fire start odd terminolog that you fire plan not occur accid will wait and evid show assum will evid offer distrust australian documentari made year stand began koresh and follow believ christ koresh had sex children and women marri men compound perfect children result great seed magnifi horn member describ wai not dissimilar jim jone describ point note you submit your faith and sex life for batf clearanc hurri deadlin april paid tax refer sex religion form comment and below meant address unstabl children build tear ga start fire nice evas maneuv chekov tail plainli complaint david koresh religi sexual procliv justifi arm raid bureau alcohol tobacco and firearm address saniti level player agre that batf handl affair badli dai btw heard new todai that affadavit knock warrant unseal todai grenad launcher thing list that found unusu two escap compound fire deliber set cult member talk new report directli and relat detail will you won even recogn and will doesn person you put impostor nation camera not fetch compound insid compound don forget batf admit agent insid compound case ambiti new report us documentari film australian compound ground identifi survivor for will check stori for consist learn long new stori that documentari thi point get conflict report survivor wait til light shed thi good you etern dark simpli devil advoc reason doubt boatload stand total swallow offici govern stori waco room for doubt reserv chang opinion evid warrant such chang conspiratori mind never chang mind evid dislik lie fabric distrust
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write articl apr mc kent edu mhamilto nimitz mc kent edu lawnmowerman write guess that shoot kind babi you sick bastard cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet for your repli post never never that shoot kind babi branch davidian peopl that insist stai savior yeah budi boi had brain wash into believ that truth even mean that give live for david fault and not atf gave dai thi dai for and for rest sad hear death child unlik sick bastard supposedli matthew hamilton mhamilto mc kent edu physic major ksuvxb kent edu lawnmowerman kent state univers ksuvxb kent edu for futur advic quot sai jibberish philosohi
talk.politics.guns	waco clinton press confer part press releas white hous presid clinton remark waco nation desk contact white hous offic press secretari washington april remark presid clinton question and answer session press edt presid februari feder agent kill line duti enforc law branch davidian compound had illeg stockpil weaponri and ammunit and innoc children risk batf oper had fail meet object dai standoff ensu feder bureau investig made reason effort bring thi peril situat end bloodsh and loss life bureau effort ultim unavail individu deal david koresh danger irrat and insan engag numer activ violat feder law and common standard decenc respons for death and injuri occur action compound februari inclin violenc and effort protect young hostag provoc action for week feder agent compound thi weekend brief attornei gener reno oper prepar fbi design increas pressur koresh and persuad compound surrend peacefulli plan includ decis withhold us ammunit even face fire and us tear ga that not perman harm health hope forc peopl compound come and surrend inform plan end sieg discuss attornei gener reno ask question thought for told thought and full respons for implement decis yesterdai action end horribl human tragedi koresh respons demand for surrend feder agent destroi and murder children captiv peopl not surviv kill control and bear ultim respons for carnag that ensu review past ey futur direct unit state depart justic and treasuri undertak vigor and thorough investig uncov happen and and whether dne differ told depart involv independ profession law enforc offici investig expect receiv analysi and answer time requir complet review final direct depart cooper fulli congression inquiri that can continu fulli account american peopl want express appreci attornei gener justic depart and feder agent front line job deepli difficult circumst want yesterdai for loss life occur begin and end thi tragedi waco hope that will tempt join cult and becom involv peopl david koresh will deter horribl scene last week and hope that difficult situat feder agent confront and will doubtless requir confront context futur will somewhat handl and understood learn presid can you dai you decid presid can you describ for that janet reno outlin you your minut phone convers presid can hear you will and can you describ janet reno presid presid answer your question can onc can you describ told you sundai natur oper and detail you knew presid told attornei gener that fbi strongli felt that time had come anoth step dislodg peopl compound and describ gener oper that want and us tear ga had test not perman damag adult children make difficult for peopl stai insid build and hope that tear ga permit come told that circumst peopl fire shot even fire shoot tear ga armor vehicl protect and exchang fire fact you aw lot shot fire cult member feder offici shot come back govern side ask number question question ask wait week reason number that limit long feder author maintain limit resourc qualiti and intens coverag expert need part countri number two that peopl had review thi had never case quit thi and convinc that progress had made recent and progress made normal mean get koresh and cult member come number that danger like increas not decreas passag time and number that had reason that children insid compound abus significantli forc live unsanitari and unsaf condit for reason want move that time second question ask attornei gener whether had consider thing that wrong and evalu happen that good that fbi personnel scene and work convinc that chanc bad thing happen increas passag time question ask militari consult initi tragedi light waco that thing ask obviou that thi not typic law enforc situat militari peopl brought help analyz situat and problem that present and ask militari had consult attornei gener that had and that basic agreement that minor tactic differ opinion fbi and militari that side thought not overwhelm signific ask question and answer that thought thing that proce and that support and stand that todai presid presid wait ahead can you address widespread percept report wide televis radio and newspap that you distanc thi disast presid bewild reason made public statement yesterdai reason made public statement yesterdai that had noth add and liter not late dai whether aliv had and hospit into custodi pure and simpli question wait for event unfold can account for peopl specul talk attornei gener dai action place talk yesterdai call late last night appear larri king show and talk thi morn presid not for presid distanc thing that happen feder govern control will thi frankli surpris mild word that that suggest that attornei gener resign religi fanat murder applaus regret happen not thi life control behavior circumst peopl kill feder offici line duti heavili arm fire feder offici yesterdai repeatedli and never fire back avoid loss life made decis immol and regret terribl and feel aw children end last comment had janet reno and talk sundai want you onc you not you move wait and children evid that children abus and that increasingli unsaf condit and that don will easier time passag time word for that that thing stand can assum that you don thi mishandl view outcom that you didn run patienc and you had you decid that presid you can assum exactli announc todai thi fbi lot thing for thi countri long period time thi fbi that found peopl that bomb world trade center licketi split record time want inquiri analyz step question ask question ask can for that that noth make outcom come don that that want inquiri and that make that independ law enforc peopl not polit peopl total polit expert can bring bear evid rise thi sort fanatic across world and confront and want whether can children involv import recogn that wrong doer thi case peopl kill and kill presid option present you for resolv thi situat point februari yesterdai presid regular report lot option pursu you back you cover fbi you good job mean fbi and author pursu number option and lot earli work children peopl left point line commun open koresh and author and thing and not and thing began spin downward whether term happen yesterdai convers had attornei gener not involv option whether time present strategi pursu want thi thought thi peopl compound quickli kill that thought govern that children not ga mask congression hear onc situat you agreement that presid that congress can want import that treasuri and justic depart launch thi investig and bring expert and statement congression committe want into will fulli cooper noth hide thi cover oper kind histori countri
talk.politics.guns	waco clinton press confer part press releas white hous presid clinton remark waco nation desk contact white hous offic press secretari washington april newswir remark presid clinton question and answer session press part ahead sarah two question want you that knew that children not ga mask adult children had chanc thi ga not lethal danger children and not surviv ga mask and februari back didn peopl practic religion presid not practic religion treasuri depart believ that had violat feder law number feder law presid back and answer can answer question ga mask you that purpos tear ga that had test convinc that wouldn kill child adult forc that breath run and thing that heard don want into detail thi don thing that specul todai that wind blow fast that window open and ga escap and that didn desir effect knew sarah that underground compound bu buri underground children and hope that children not releas immedi that human thing and that children someplac protect term ga mask learn yesterdai not thi fact question that ga suppos stai activ compound longer ga mask work that thought that even had ga mask that eventu ga forc nonviol nonshoot circumst myer last question presid you that you whether not you ask janet reno possibl mass suicid and you learn actual fire and explos your mind horrend moment presid ask janet reno had consid wors thing that happen and and issu suicid had rais public had that had debat and that peopl knowledg kind issu conclud that greater risk that tomorrow dai dai that anytim futur that judgment made whether wrong will never happen fire build burn sick felt terribl and concern whether children had and whether escap whether insid burn that thing want you presid you janet reno decis isn end your decis presid that didn hour detail brief fbi didn strateg part decis for respons presid unit state and sign gener decis and give author make last call talk sundai time had elaps made decis chang mind you decid forward thi tomorrow will support you and support not ultim respons american peopl conduct duti fashion and dealt thi situat you applaus
talk.politics.guns	fbi director statement waco standoff feustel netcom david feustel write evid that batf fbi not start shoot and peopl had start come burn build press batf fbi shoot peopl leav burn build don you rid press tim smith
talk.politics.guns	militia incred long articl ulowel ulowel edu jrutledg ulowel edu john lawrenc rutledg write articl qna transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write articl ulowel ulowel edu jrutledg ulowel edu john lawrenc rutledg write you knew organ requir train larg group poepl twice year peopl year provid basic train peopl can integr into forc and find suitabl locat requir continu stand committe organ respons rutledg argu that sinc local and feder govern abandon charter support such activ and pass law prohibit privat organ that elimin basi for rkba contrari understand game strengthen origin argu that second amend bit and anachron prohibit law exampl anachron law made repres peopl repres peopl decid that second amend not appli broad case sinc repres feel uncondit interpret not want probabl that major peopl feel thi exampl peopl power govern thi not peopl feel peopl stand and state wish wrong neglect that govern and media bullshit peopl almost nonstop thi issu constitut limit prevent tyrrani major for exampl major vote that ethnic right not peopl etc and fly logic govern feel constitut not for time procedur call amend constitut thi deliber difficult and cumbersom prevent abus decid ignor peopl impos unjust polici major minor lynch mob major rememb outvot hange govern violat end run limit govern that peopl hard convinc that good intent tamper bill right govern propeganda gun strong and persist not that strong and show gullibl peopl becom govern and you sort line li fed half truth rig stat govern control law effect crime want govern monopoli forc pure and simpl you want govern overrid constitut limit simpl vote bunch elitist congresscritt don found father hell didn mox nix rutledg you claim that rkba depend exist top flight regul militia thi fals assumpt post number time simpl state that peopl join organ militia and state that militia that meet onc twice year organ and thi state readi that claim peopl state readi expect militia state hamilton you read senat subcommitt constitut second amend and linguist analisi second meanwhil show stuff back your assert and mention document and onlin pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl geraldo utexa edu mikei ccwf utexa edu strider write robi chopin udel edu scott robi write mikei ccwf utexa edu strider write australian documentari made year stand began koresh and follow believ christ koresh had sex children and women marri men compound perfect children result great seed magnifi horn member describ wai not dissimilar jim jone describ don accur documentari documentari interview koresh and current and member documentari disucuss koresh christ statu insid cult cult brain wash techniqu and unusu sex practic leader get and tell can can will decid religi author sex minor technic child abus not koresh never convict crime children batf for child abus purview thi case strictli firearm violat true thi inform irrelev discuss fire deliber set member cult histori and background cult relev histori and backgournd jone cult import understand happen jonestown not take into account histori and background koresh cult explain fbi and batf badli predict repons insid compund step thi badli handl affair fbi agent pass rigor psycholog examin and background check charg will undoubtedli explain decis great detail congress fbi want fulfil koresh propheci charg will undoubtedli explain whether answer even remot resembl truth never and left aliv care whether propheci fulfil hold mean for surviv like that will two investig and congress thi point correct fbi that two cult member thi talk talk new report directli and relat detail will you confirm stori will not interest and conflict detail start come revert back wait mode find whether fire intent accident and start and spread fast mike ruff
talk.politics.guns	impeach clinton reno apr gmt glenn stone prism gatech edu wrote fact feder feloni infring civil right color law death involv thi offens carri penalti life prison titl and appli conspiraci two person right citizen depriv right color law call for life prison death occur reno bentsen and clinton princip crime respons for author action part subordin conclus choic honest peopl impeach clinton and remov reno offic you forgot detail turn texa author for trial crime commit articl section charl scripter cescript phy mtu edu dept physic michigan tech houghton govern great thing drawn washington centr power will render powerless check provid govern anoth and will becom venal and oppress govern separ thoma jefferson
talk.politics.guns	knew happen god forgiv for american pai tax govern that commit atroc waco massacr dave feustel myi feustel netcom begin forward reach alloc tax pai for interest nation debt that point feder govern will will busi for lack fund
talk.politics.guns	batf acronym haven thi ar dequat otal don adequ fit acronym andrew diederich dieder spot colorado edu opinion mine altern tuesdai
talk.politics.guns	reword second amend idea dfo vttoulu tko vtt foxvog dougla write you that individu weapon mass destruct find hard that you support neighbor nuclear weapon biolog weapon and nerv ga properti that depend you draw line defin weapon and you intend law reflect modern practic month centuri road give you hint that manur pile farmer field road usa that weapon mass destruct biolog natur get wash into open will contamin aquif that suppli thousand citi drink water you draw line usa epa rule that pile scrap iron illeg care draw thinner line thi time dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
talk.politics.guns	raid justif blast time wed apr gmt peter cash cash convex wrote listen clock new channel dalla trot list justif produc atf month investig for raid cnn claim bought semi automat assault rifl and koresh wasn god manag bui build collect fulli automat semi automat rifl quit feat make charg sexual abus and such notic that treasuri depart noth sex crime fed recent institut tax sex crime yeah that batf for unregist gun thi weapon thi gun thi for fight thi for couldn junk thi list for exampl bd accus stockpil bunch and ammunit that can us and assault rifl imagin that had ammunit heard that claim cautiou koresh heat ammunit stockpil recal that smokeless powder decompos even moder temperatur surpris fire that natur stockpil unexplod unburn had aluminum dust yeah compon thermit haven heard that illeg grinder aluminum lawn furnitur recal that aluminum powder common compon firework folk rec pyro you thing list that conceiv illeg grenad launcher thi legal you proper licens had curio and relic permit legal handgrenad launcher charl scripter cescript phy mtu edu dept physic michigan tech houghton govern great thing drawn washington centr power will render powerless check provid govern anoth and will becom venal and oppress govern separ thoma jefferson
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talk.politics.guns	reword second amend idea articl transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write articl apr ousrvr oulu dfo vttoulu tko vtt foxvog dougla write articl transfer stratu cdt stratu tavar write articl ulowel ulowel edu jrutledg ulowel edu john lawrenc rutledg write massiv destruct power modern weapon make cost accident crimial usag weapon great weapon mass destruct control govern individu access result needless death million thi make peopl and bear modern weapon exist for state you come needless disagre count you that individu weapon mass destruct find hard that you support neighbor nuclear weapon biolog weapon and nerv ga properti cannot even agre keep weapon mass destruct hand individu can hope for don sign blank check term rigidli defin bill doug foxvog weapon mass destruct mean cbw and nuke sarah bradi weapon mass destruct mean street sweeper shotgun and semi automat sk rifl doubt thi term for that you quot allegedli can you back john lawrenc rutledg weapon mass destruct and immedi follow thousand peopl kill each year handgun thi number can easili reduc put reason restrict rutledg mean term read articl present argument weapon mass destruct commonli understood and switch topic point evid show that not weapon allow and analysi thi understand anoth class cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet doug foxvog dougla foxvog vtt
talk.politics.guns	reword second amend idea articl vike ponder iastat edu vike iastat edu dan sorenson write dfo vttoulu tko vtt foxvog dougla write you that individu weapon mass destruct find hard that you support neighbor nuclear weapon biolog weapon and nerv ga properti that depend you draw line defin weapon thi mean you support ban narrow good and you intend law reflect modern practic month centuri road hope defin nuclear weapon explos weapon major energi come fission and fusion atom nuclei defin biolog weapon live organ virus such state quantiti and such vector that death diseas defin signific number peopl releas citi similarli popul area resevoir cropland nerv ga and mustard ga defin poison gass individu ban can shown that us not relat weaponri licens for research purpos such chemic not lawyer idea basi for definit give you hint that manur pile farmer field road usa that weapon mass destruct nope not consid weapon biolog natur get wash into open will contamin aquif that suppli thousand citi drink water you draw line usa epa rule that pile scrap iron illeg care draw thinner line thi time not defin weapon mass destruct thing ban for reason dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame doug foxvog dougla foxvog vtt
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peopl arm jame madison annal congress june peopl and bear arm not infring regul militia compos bodi peopl train arm and natur defens free countri alexand hamilton federalist paper organ militia can aim respect peopl larg properli arm and equip and order that thi not neglect will assembl onc twice year alexand hamilton federalist paper speak stand armi circumst time oblig govern form armi magnitud that armi can never formid liberti peopl larg bodi citizen inferior disciplin and us arm stand readi defend right and fellow citizen sure hamilton and madison didn mean peopl peopl that amend refer militia your averag year male not fall into definit you militia consist bodi male and femal current interpret member militia gun advoc refer not member organ militia and not directli amend refer organ regul target you examin you check regul mention amend thi amend want member militia and bear arm specificli mention organ militia sentenc and bear arm correct that reserv peopl and that insur peopl form regul militia not organ militia argu that part sentenc separ last part includ atom unit written atom unit thi argument moron can set bar separ sentenc your question don you read federalist paper jame madison federalist paper gener welfar claus noth natur common us gener phrase and explain and qualifi recit particular madison grammat style wrote amend impli that arm due secur free state federalist paper mention regul militia exampl thi militia protect secur free state exampl action organ forc not john public gun that you never read federalist paper that second amend state that peopl form regul militia not infring that peopl join organ militia thi organ militia will provid train us arm and basic militari tactic train member militia can and bear arm can read huh show document organ militia lastli read federalist paper organ militia clear that reason for militia reason state protect stand armi dai stand armi easili defeat group consist year male and femal not armi forc that exactli person allow weapon us arm forc anoth reason state for organ militia reduc for stand armi armi forc stand armi for half histori major reason protect that armi reason for second amend give peopl protect govern guarante that peopl can govern bit anachron thi dai and ag time thi and amend constitut appropri abraham lincoln inaugur address march thi countri institut belong peopl inhabit whenev grow weari exist govern can exercis constitut amend revolutionari dismemb overthrow rep elbridg gerri massachusett spoken floor debat second amend annal congress august sir us militia prevent establish stand armi bane liberti whenev govern mean invad right and liberti peopl attempt destroi militia order rais armi ruin categori rutledg mean destroi liberti and right charl scripter cescript phy mtu edu dept physic michigan tech houghton govern great thing drawn washington centr power will render powerless check provid govern anoth and will becom venal and oppress govern separ thoma jefferson articl tpinnpcn gap caltech edu arc cco caltech edu aaron rai clement write second amend guarante bear arm and unequivoc infring second amend not clear you state last part follow you problem part singl sentenc make amend second amend regul militia secur militia free state peopl and bear state arm not infring arm you didn even capit correct read usca constitut correct version constitut wai can choos intrepret constitut issu origin intent subject intrepret accordiong polit whim dai us origin intent basi for intrepret constitut clear that found father intend that individu citizen allow bear arm similar us soldier dai for refer cite federalist paper embarass second ammend yale law review prof stanford levinson don date handi prof levinson sought prove that ammend not convei individu conclud that embarass titl report subcomitte consititut unit state sendat congress second session februari verguido urguidez suprem court case recent year thi case not pertain firearm justic rhenquist note that term peopl term art convei individu right and specif cite us amment includ opinion titl code thi state that male ag not part organ militia and femal offic nation guard part unorgan militia feel free cite scholarli and histor refer you support your posit greater length person proof assert such techniqu carri weight that your dubiou proof assert
talk.politics.guns	gritz jb liberti lobbi larouch christic insitut libertarian articl cmu edu rubinoff cmu edu robert rubinoff write articl uicvm uic edu uicvm uic edu write note that gritz populist parti ticket david duke for veep found that duke lead ticket withdrew candidaci gritz gave chanc vice presid aviod support duke call that give chanc vice presid chanc populist parti ticket win essenti nil impli that doesn want associ duke robert exactli parti didn want bad press that directli associ duke bring convers disdain for david duke suppos make ideol mean stand neo nazism whoa that progress come that refus and openli denounc vice presid meant put control stephen white live simpli that simpli live mohanda gandhi
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talk.politics.guns	randi weaver trail dai thi post firearm polit mail list folk thursdai april mark dai trial thi dai mark testimoni trial deputi marshal larri cooper stand for prosecut short version that testimoni consist open statement for prosecut cooper testifi that had arriv spokan washington august particip surveil oper deputi weaver cabin team night vision equip for surveil and split into two team peopl six met observ point cabin thi deputi cooper william degan and arthur roderick began descent scout surveil site cooper told court that roderick threw two larg rock into gulli whether weaver famili dog respond striker weaver yellow lab start bark loudli roderick led run area ran dens wood into open area call fern field dog pursuit thi time kevin harri and samuel weaver had join chase surveil team had reach road cooper decid that cover wood easi target and shot back degan reach spot randi weaver come road cabin ahead weaver startl not fire thi moment striker reach degan and cooper had fend gun unclear whether thi mean club dog shot dog cooper and degan cover wood cooper kevin harri and samuel weaver continu walk road appar not notic two had pass road degan knee rais gun and shout stop marshal harri brought weapon hip level and fire didn bring weapon ey level bill arm back and knew had hit cooper fire harri and harri cooper brought weapon bear samuel not fire thi point cooper heard two shot samuel weaver look direct shot yell you son bitch and ran cooper realiz that shot come directli ahead fire round burst cabin thi point samuel weaver run cabin cooper reach degan two finger degan carotid arteri count two beat and heart stop shortli thereaft roderick and marshal join heard larg burst gunfir area cabin cross examin david nevin question point throw rock into gullei ask you want lure that dog you shoot that dog didn you nevin point that last septemb testimoni cooper had claim that spot weaver dog had left cooper claim that had event head and decid that thursdai account correct nevin continu cross examin ask cooper had arm man dress full camouflag jump wood answer fridai april mark continu cross examin cooper note coverag protestor drew ron phillip crphilli hound dazixca ingr senior custom engin intergraph electron east evelyn avenu voic mountain view fax
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cancer heart diseas auto accid can minim risk raw highwai death toll nejm stat not help nejm find purport inform frame warn wide promulg media scare stat mislead half truth formul calcul prejudic and terrifi fright statist scream for risk outweigh benefit fool run risk your car time like kill you love dear friend innoc child you your destin you not bu uncrit citat put good name statist bad compani li and damn li sure can live stake closer thi riski busi time stat nejm studi product divid number home intrud aggressor justifi kill defens divisor into number famili member acquaint kill gun home dividend divisor thi risk equat studi year sampl intrud and case defens dividend studi accident death crimin homicid and suicid divid yield total gun relat death king counti and studi leav death home unaccount nejm notori time statist mislead six count dividend misleadingli character media acquaint studi includ your friendli drug dealer and neighborhood gang member equat friend implic that offend 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larson attribut fatal agenc gun gun home time like kill center prevent handgun violenc major promulg nejm statist thi formul can dispens silli debat whether peopl gun that accomplish kill tautolog gun death not occur gun question beg death occur gun case peopl death deal agent gun lethal instrument moral core person risk factor gun death person respons and choic due care and respons obviat gun accid human choic mediat homicid and suicid gun choic gun not condemn person nejm high risk pool gun not creat thi risk peopl lot risk run gun home for exampl graduat paxton quiglei person protect not run tout time risk skill and sober driver run risk caus suffer vehicular death reckless drunk driver undiscrimin actuari disregard and obscur role person respons and choic disregard and obscur role socio econom criminolog and risk relev factor firearm relat death thi resent insur premium and actuari consig risk pool norm disregard individu fortun noth can consign nejm risk pool lack choic respons 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talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl siaj new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write didn leav ga introduc earlier morn didn care children didn releas children week ago children parent you understand that concept bunch peopl mind that forc satan evil and you expect hand children you born that stupid lot effort alan greig janet greig dct dunde institut technolog internet greig dct tel int never underestim power human stupid
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl apr guin idbsu edu betz gozer idbsu edu andrew betz write articl rynw new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write and suppos fbi prevent come hand nation camera watch watch two mile that happen explain veng filter humili agenc that quot understand consid unsaf for network closer sure network can judg risk report for haven notic cnn ban baghdad hotel despit real risk cruis missil land lobbi incident that explain assum that citi missil happen hit that hotel probabl larg number unsaf for alan greig janet greig dct dunde institut technolog internet greig dct tel int never underestim power human stupid
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl apr guin idbsu edu betz gozer idbsu edu andrew betz write betz gozer idbsu edu brought into your termin free state idaho you outlaw right outlaw will right spook fodder fema nsa clinton gore insurrect nsc semtex neptunium terrorist cia kgb deuterium you want trigger scanner move keyword signatur start bit you trip onc sig will flag for human intervent not alan greig janet greig dct dunde institut technolog internet greig dct tel int never underestim power human stupid
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talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl tenu nodak edu green plain nodak edu bill green write shed light fire wide report etc that wit folk start fire report that fire broke place onc rule bradlei knock lamp etc wide report rememb thi had new blackout sinc dai fbi singl sole sourc rumor truth not never question media coverar hide discuss thi incid move made and proper problem tactic watch abc special tonight cnn and nightlin question atf and fbi action koresh compound time feb raid wait result outcom aliv todai anoth dai anoth chanc fbi action blare loudspeak etc action contribut outcom folk that sleep depriv tend not and question action gener proper reserv feel strongli not proper point fan janet reno had ball ahead and full respons waffl boi had problem figur stood issu expect had come not hesit full credit jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	atf burn dividian ranch survivor articl tki rice edu fontenot ravl rice edu dwayn jacqu fontenot write tenu nodak edu green plain nodak edu bill green write shed light fire wide report etc that wit folk start fire report that fire broke place onc rule bradlei knock lamp etc thi bd had lamp tank made hole build notic video that appear that wherev smoke come build tank nearbi fact that appear that fire start place not rule watch live and watch time and press vantag point start point visibl tank punch windward side and wind whip that fire across dry wooden structur minut fane mph gust and huei fire start not visibl need flame progress observ wit heard fbi spokesman cnn wit peopl drive tank wit thier paycheck fbi point fan janet reno had ball ahead and full respons waffl boi had problem figur stood issu bad noth will happen fbi and media job yep media endors fbi version question sad dwayn jacqu fontenot jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
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talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl tlxr new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write articl inneah clem handheld jmd cube handheld jim arra write articl sou lnb new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write articl apr guin idbsu edu betz gozer idbsu edu andrew betz write articl rynw new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write and suppos fbi prevent come hand nation camera watch watch two mile that happen explain veng filter humili agenc that quot you happen had peopl come hand week ago didn happen and respons for not happen not children koresh call shot talk lawyer and fbi sinc releas safe sane reason for keep children insid compound fbi and koresh call shot and sane reason for keep children parent never that not easi choic spite you cold attitud scenario that simplest and plausibl not gener conspiraci theori that involv complic and scenario fbi letter martin luther king wife insinu that mlk affair exactli you trust supposedli benevol govern not releas children compound you author worship not you koresh worship constitut worship you quit eat author feed you doubt make you that koresh worship david koresh vernon howel jesu christ lengthi excerpt australian documentari made that show that thi cult give camera and time you and can present excerpt that show you cult leader guarente for laugh dai silli supposit you not thi you naiv not easi work broadcast profess network station late embarras footag easi add sinist music and voic and you mother agre commit you you view documentari you claim sourc new show that show lengthi excerpt had interview filmmak made documentari basic confirm shown excerpt time spent compound new show for excerpt back posit you show excerpt disprov point not pleas batf handl affair bungl badli start don respons for fire start two place two place you thi wonder fbi you thi place that thi report local radio report site fire start stori tower time two stori window shown coverag report multi start sole fbi observ fire video hard press point fire spread across compound uniform rate batf mean devoid fault handl thi affair suggest that intention start fire ludicr suspect that plenti camerapeopl will risk small arm fire good footag peopl told hell camera rang couldn answer thi thi import question root suspicion thought mention reagan and militari treat press grenada and that set preced decid wasn worthi discuss new report shot you can bet famili sue govern for let into danger area report su govern for such situat danger rememb batf invit initi coverag and simpl remot control camera two wai provid media access fbi didn want root suspicion mind peopl wouldn flee build that had numer exit minut time burn didn flee hour earlier tear ga introduc can find ration explan for behavior can find tear ga and smoke make imposs remov barricad flame block exit saferoom perhap gun shot fbi keep pin jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai articl tngt new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write articl vqinneb clem handheld jmd cube handheld jim arra write articl spov lre new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write articl qsrinnc clem handheld jmd cube handheld jim arra write articl new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write agre that deserv trial had dai come and trial chose children and stai insid chose stai insid even tear gass not find action ration even noriega smart give and for trial deserv robi you govern suck heartless bastard unworthi comment appar true opinion your opinion truth master languag notic us appar human di yesterdai human not di fbi had not action that undeni truth cri for di had come hand empti that undeni truth not fbi plan for thi happen and gunfir heard fbi keep folk insid not propos thi point that not undeni that walk yesterdai aliv todai you can that you undeni that peopl left compound unharm and aliv earier standoff and sinc leader preach that apocalyps you can not undeni that wouldn mass suicid fbi had simpli stai and wait anoth dai not deni that dai anoth chanc for good end push robi you die not todai moment life preciou heart bleed for children never releas dai ampl opportun heart bleed for peopl blind religi devot not common sens leav compound tank and start drop tear ga earli morn heart bleed for you bleed heart and doubt that you not feel for peopl you can not heartless thing you you heartless bleed heart you not make sens you heartless bleed heart flame liber care deepli feel your pain you concern that children insid thi compound had dai that sound pretti heartless you continu rais thi issu understand bond parent and child not easi final goodby your children not that make heartless children you heard new that survivor regret hadn stai inferno prove loyalti koresh thi make sad and sick make sad never claim koresh angel you deserv not thi set fire start place and spread quickli want and put into motion want kind creatur you that you can thi you heard jonestown sad thing peopl insid compound author worship and author koresh howel peopl for like lot survivor todai koresh preach fieri apocalyps earli last year made author worship point you line back and onc jonestown sick author show and push fragil person edg bull china shop batf investig justic dept and like arlen spectr and congress thi good bungl affair start agre thi let your god fbi investig mean fbi investig btw thought second ammend god nope constitut total for you rkba you misjudg jim jmd handheld jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
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transfer handgun nonlicense file congress hous bill gibbon march prohibit import semiautomat assault weapon larg capac ammunit feed devic and accessori file congress hous bill smith florida april amend titl unit state code prohibit handgun unsuit for law sport purpos file congress hous bill hugh januari prohibit possess transfer and export restrict weapon manufactur firearm capabl accept silenc bayonet alter and possess and transfer larg capac ammunit feed devic and for purpos file congress hous bill mr collin januari provid for mandatori registr handgun file congress hous bill cardin juli amend public health servic act establish entitl state and polit subdivis state receiv grant for abat health hazard associ lead base paint and amend intern revenu code impos excis tax and establish trust fund satisfi feder oblig aris such entitl thi bill impos upto pound tax lead and pound tax recycl lead file congress hous bill dornan januari amend anim welfar act prohibit dog race and dog train 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licens law receiv feder licens deal firearm file congress hous bill schumer august impos crimin penalti failur feder firearm license report author loss theft firearm inventori collect license file congress hous bill feighan requir wait period purchas handgun bradi bill file congress hous bill russo januari amend intern revenu code provid that excis tax handgun will transfer trust fund us for purpos provid compens victim crime and for purpos file congress senat bill hatch januari provid procedur for call feder constitut convent articl for purpos propos amend unit state constitut file congress senat bill lautenberg march amend titl unit state code perman prohibit possess firearm person convict violent feloni and for purpos file congress senat bill requir wait period purchas handgun file congress senat bill gore june establish govern print offic electron gatewai provid public access wide rang feder databas contain public inform store electron file congress senat bill chafe june prohibit 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exempt small manufactur produc and import firearm excis tax file congress hcr hous concurr resolut crane januari express sens congress respect american and bear arm defens life liberti and pursuit legitim endeavor file congress hjr hous joint resolut owen januari propos amend constitut unit state repeal second amend constitut file congress hous bill mazolli januari amend titl unit state code requir wait period purchas handgun file congress hous bill torricelli januari amend titl unit state code prohibit transfer handgun individu dai period file congress hous bill mr collin januari provid for manufactur import dealer handgun assault weapon held strictli liabl for damag that result us handgun assault weapon file congress hous bill reynold februari provid for manufactur import handgun assault weapon held strictli liabl for damag that result us handgun assault weapon and amend intern revenu code increas excis tax firearm and us portion revenu such tax assist hospit urban area provid medic care gunshot victim not cover health plan file congress hous bill schumer februari provid for wait period purchas hadgun and for establish nation instant crimin background check system contact firearm dealer transfer firearm file congress senat bill moynihan januari prohibit import semiautomat assault weapon larg capac ammunit feed devic and accessori file congress senat bill moynihan januari amend section titl unit state code requir keep record respect disposit ammunit and requir studi us and regul sale ammunit file congress senat bill moynihan januari amend chapter titl unit state code prohibit manufactur transfer import calib and calib and millimet ammunit file congress senat bill moynihan januari tax millimet calib and calib bullet file congress senat bill lautenberg februari prohibit transfer handgun individu dai period file congress senat bill metzenbaum februari amend titl unit state code requir wait period purchas handgun file gun free zone text gun free school zone act public 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talk.politics.guns	impeach clinton reno heartili agre that batf warrant unseal clear that clinton and reno support illeg raid not thi author for knock raid author us helicopt author search for drug lab and appar not even author search for automat weapon dai govern li miss thi can you give updat warrant hadn heard that unseal author for knock thi new for wiretap summar
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talk.politics.guns	batf fbi murder almost waco todai robi chopin udel edu scott robi write articl rrot mmm rice edu fontenot ravl rice edu dwayn jacqu fontenot write articl rpoj ijv new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write articl apr stortek vojak icebucket stortek bill vojak write point that even fire set insid build direct result action fbi batf and peopl insid includ children deserv trial thi had dai come hand nation trial deserv chose set fire compund hour tank drop tear ga correct fbi that davidian set fire build and suppos fbi prevent come hand nation camera watch attornei davidian report larri king that tank had damag structur extent that effectu egress build difficult rapidli spread fire and larg amount smoke and tear ga find exit accept hole wall imposs find thi explan complet plausibl doesn mean that true don find intrins believ govern stori fbi that davidian had methanphetamin lab basement and that davidian had cal machin gun you fbi you disbeliev fbi balanc gut reaction question author togeth independ fact video adopt scenario that simplest and plausibl not gener conspiraci theori that involv complic and scenario concur batf mean devoid fault handl thi affair suggest that intention start fire ludicr lawyer davidian survivor that lantern knock probe and that fire start tragic accid true you trust that snivel piec special agent rick comedian and media laugh sick joke guilti imho batf had make sick todai peopl insid compound set fire made sick keep children insid compund releas earlier peopl week ago absolut inexcus not releas decid set place afir work madmen two escap compound fire deliber set cult member correct fbi that two fire deliber set sect member fire set accid peopl compound expect cult member flee compound come shoot thi investig eventu idea happen view that begin end thi oper botch and that complet that nut case law abid citizen victim bureaucrat execut paul hager hagerp moos indiana edu give devil benefit law for safeti sake man for season robert bolt
talk.politics.guns	gun backcountri articl apr midwai uchicago edu pkgeragh gsbphd uchicago edu kevin geraghti write wrong gun for protect mindset ignor system effect cumul individu action you want fire insur your hous that prudent and effect you and bunch paranoid pack handgun backcountri make and doesn chose protect thi manner pretti king nervou you not threat you not affect mean thi logic conclus suppos carri handgun time for protect peopl carri handgun collect feel safer hell feel lot insecur note that psych info that feel secur increas victim stat that that increas ration anoth system effect good peopl protect that bad peopl modifi behavior respons itchier and will kill peopl routin mug nope that doesn happen switch chang behavior properti crime that improv even econom unchang not switch kill andi
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talk.politics.guns	andi stop peopl gun articl apr freenet carleton freenet carleton nikolau maack write come gun kill peopl peopl kill peopl gun sad truth sometim that good altern ignor gun for defenc and crime and gun accid fatal firearm accid per year and number declin sinc earli thi centuri accid involv rifl shot gun not handgun gun design fire bullet thi not you can shoot cardboard cut out rang fact gun and bullet design specif for that idea that ruger mark bull barrel semi auto calib handgun design kill hurt peopl even for defens come surpris design isn hurt you shot and even kill simpli wrong design kill peopl thi not design act tool for home defenc you show that you gun and gee perhap leav fact that happen time defens firearm don involv fire shot crimin prefer not shot and will effort not includ you you point gun you call design tool that easili carri immedi stop attack you handgun come and experi show work you gun design fire that bullet into human bodi and hurt not tough concept swallow for argu that handgun type discuss aren deadli weapon simpli isn true that design kill peopl exactli wrong deadli weapon time perfectli legitim us deadli forc defens not duti defend and famili and that includ and know us tool that strongest reason for peopl retain and bear arm last resort protect tyranni govern jefferson jefferson true and troubl such item bullet into wrong fleshi target not compar us uncl frank get piss and blow wife thi isn that common compar rare that violent person will suddenli piss and kill gun not case peopl murder long histori violenc you good reason that peopl wouldn kill didn gun feel free present thing specificli design kill mean easier kill thing time kill thing call for hope never shoot person had kill number anim rodent cow and don want suffer prefer die instantli fail that want drop can quickli finish shot and fail that don want fast choos weapon and ammunit achiev that goal for size anim doesn work plan belabor point peopl overli impress kill shop power gun handgun haven us for that purpos accident death death auto death fall death drown death fire death poison death food death firearm sourc statist depart nation safeti council accid fact edit nation safeti council michigan avenu chicago rkba declin trend accident death firearm version last chang descript accident death firearm per capita declin steadili for almost sixti year accident death firearm per peopl declin steadi consist and fairli straight line plot rate last sixti year will reach conclus firearm declin factor accident death for sixti year despit rise per capita gun ownership year popul accident death accident death per sourc bureau censu histor statist unit state coloni time bicentenni edit part washington bureau censu statist abstract unit state edit washington sic bureau censu statist abstract unit state edit washington kleck gari gun and defens crime control us forc privat sector social problem orstc opac bug stevef nra steven fordyc uunet sequent ether stevef fair tax tax
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talk.politics.guns	crimin machinegun apr csd newshost stanford edu andi sail stanford edu andi freeman write articl uicvm uic edu jason kratz uicvm uic edu write peopl get kill gang violenc dai singl dai hear peopl get kill gang violenc and weapon that confisc kratz claim that can reliabl visual distinguish that can differ semi auto and full auto uzi that can differ version full auto semi auto uzi rememb selector swtich rememb correctli correct wrong switch set posit posit gun semi automat wouldn posit for semi auto fire and full auto fire round burst thi correct wouldn easi distinguish each gun thi alon modifi full auto fire wouldn that easi talk distinguish unmodifi and gun selector switch switch semi auto and fulli auto fire love hear detail demonstr that kratz blow smoke that can design gun that anoth gun properti and that that quit common kid neighborhood quit young figur that parent car wasn richard petti even look for paint job thing kratz pretti hard for kid neighborhood figur that richard petti live neighborhood and left stock car drivewai that make differ doesn that irrelev visual inspect work accept sinc doesn fact that good person doesn mean that correct guess accept you had good pictur and pictur lower receiv andi gave kratz chanc back thi privat jason kratz didn andi offer back privat
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talk.politics.mideast	you feed armenian dirt you will bite dust articl apr urartu sdpa org dbd urartu sdpa org david davidian write articl apr kth hilmi dsv hilmi eren write david davidian armenian noth lose lack food fuel and warmth you fascist turkei want show your teeth good for you turkei lose you can yell and scream bark dog davidian fascist armenian azerbaijan kill azeri peopl invad azeri soil and not fascist lack food strang explan excus for thi situat herkesi fasist diy damgala sonra kendileri fasistligin alasini yapinca kaldilar yiyecekleri yok amcasi seferlik affedin yurrruuu yuru plaka numarani alalim hakan
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tifli novemb quot hovannisian road independ ottoman moral and militari posit east hurt and prepar for russian push into eastern anatolia accompani open armenian revolt sultan hovannisian road independ bayur iii allen and muratoff caucasian battlefield cambridg ali ihsan sabi harb hahralaram vol ankara no and armenian state organ van russian protect and appear that muslim nativ dead driven maintain oldest center ancient armenian civil armenian legion organ expel turk entir southern shore lake prepar for concert russian drive into bitli vilayet thousand armenian mu and major center east began flood into armenian state mid juli armenian crowd into van area crisi had hous and fed peopl muslim and muslim alik hovannisian road independ fop no and bva mecli vukela mazbatalari debat august babi ali evrak odasi van ihtilali katl ami zilkad septemb muslim popul extermin armenian line delet thunder your pseudo scholar joke argu armenian nazi colabor world war comment argu not repli post argic love not argu armenian nazi collabor not give thunder want you thing admit that you not regular user comput autopost turkish propaganda post document jew latvia run coward real address that you and not repli post perhap your head wasn screw jew assembl for doom nazi concentr camp armenian volunt germani form armenian battalion fight alongsid nazi thi battalion had grown into battalion strong command guerilla leader dro butcher dictat short live armenian dictatorship and architect cold blood genocid million turk and kurd armenian nation council form notori dashnak parti leader berlin recogn nazi encourag thi armenian summarili form provision govern that endors and espous fulli principl nazi and declar member aryan super race and full particip hitler polici extermin jew thi armenian nazi conspiraci jew wwii encor perform stage armenian wwi back stab and extermin million turk collud invad russian armi mccarthi put armenian dictatorship grant respit ottoman admit defeat and sign mudro armistic alli octob alli had decid creat greater armenia includ russian provinc yerevan and adjoin area part anatolia claim armenian fanat area call cilicia ottoman provinc adana exclud had claim french alli quickli set attempt disarm ottoman soldier and turk expect oppos plan april british armi occupi kar gave civilian and militari power armenian withdrew british plan for kar includ armenian dictatorship even russian pre war censu had shown kar provinc muslim turk kar effect disarm british not disarm kurd mountain fate turk almost exact replica had occur earlier eastern anatolia murder pillag genocid and destruct turkish home and entir turkish villag drove turk kar mountain south and west safeti afford remain unit ottoman armi british had left scene armenian genocid squad european present observ genocid british soldier colonel rawlinson assign supervis disarma otoman soldier occur rawlinson wire superior interest human armenian not left independ command moslim popul troop disciplin and not effect control atroc constantli commit you post armenian nonsens come european dashnag headquart berlin appeal line delet you such mess armenian sourc turkish holocaust line delet list dead armenian line delet obroth spell list dead muslim sourc document volum document archiv cabin drawer file section content act suprem command socialist salah cimcoz socialist nesim mazelyah armenian gang murder and inflict cruelti innoc peopl region thi verifi inform support clear statement reliabl eyewit confirm gener odishelidj command russian caucasian armi armenian enter place evacu russian carri murder cruelti rape and kind atroc cannot express write murder women children ag peopl happen street barbar murder repeat dai method continu and russian armi urg interven termin atroc public opinion appal and horrifi newspap describ happen shock decid inform friend urgent situat document archiv cabin drawer file section content act suprem command command armi gener situat citi erzincan and erzurum recent below two beauti citi countri alik calam and destruct suffer destroi special design and built public and privat build citi deliber burnt armenian apart destruct suffer two year russian occup barrack build erzincan cavalri barrack erzurum govern build and armi corp headquart burnt short citi burnt destroi and tree cut peopl citi peopl us weapon round sarikami direct for road build and slaughter remain peopl subject cruelti and murder armenian withdraw russian and partli annihil corps thrown into well burnt hous mutil bayonet abdomen rip open slaughterhous lung and liver torn girl and women hung hair kind devilish act peopl surviv cruelti wors spanish inquisit poverti dead aliv horrifi driven insan erzincan and erzurum peopl hungri and poverti for had land left uncultiv peopl exist provis found store left russian villag round erzincan and erzurum worst condit villag road level ground leav stone peopl complet massacr submit your inform deep grief and regret that histori never wit cruelti such dimens long list long list and anxious await serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	dai and night armenian round male inhabit articl locust duke edu wiener duke duke edu eduard wiener write join you ballot and suppos that northern bukovina born had that zoologist refer you fecal shield colonel semen budienni subsequ soviet militari fame armenian genocid million defenseless turkish and kurdish women children and elderli peopl visit anatolia june that armenian had becom troublemak hinchakist and dashnakist parti opportunist serv lackei power happen ascend septemb major gener thwait director militari intellig wrote lord harding secretari state for foreign affair useless pretend that armenian satisfactori alli deserv sympathi claim special collect stanford hoover librari donat georgia cutler letter date nov state that prescot hall wrote larg volum prove that armenian not and never desir citizen that unscrupul merchant sourc document volum document archiv cabin drawer file section content divis command militia command ismail hakki for dai armenian forcibl obstruct peopl leav home villag dai and night round male inhabit take unknown destin noth heard inform statement succeed escap wound massacr taskilis ruin women and children openli murder gather church squar and similar place inhuman and barbar act commit moslem for dai document archiv cabin drawer file section content caucasian armi corp command caucasian armi corp command commun zone inspector command armi gener almost russian unit opposit front withdrawn popul loyal region russian posit face increas threat and suppress cruelti and abus armenian decid systemat annihil moslem popul region occup regularli inform russian command atroc and cruelti and gain impress that author fail restor order serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	fact wtc bomb backon vm huji write articl pll sm usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu hamaza salah write josi hada you didn notic recent post fbi found that josi hada simpli alia salameh sourc for inform chronolog includ daili new march that report arrest josi hada and copi foreign press report releas shortli sourc for your alia stori and prai can fbi arrest and releas alia relationship that person and isra mussad zilch noth idiot post thi absurd place collect inform and put forward fbi refus comment guardian report question hada link isra intellig inform not mention mossad explicitli
talk.politics.mideast	islam border isra border articl wjj newsflash concordia ilyess ec concordia ilyess bdira write articl bimac bitnet ehrlich bimac bitnet gideon ehrlich write border islam world dream islam world dream planet not kick current inhabit deam dai convert jew had dream not feel threaten bit muslim not that dream global islam commun achiev forc and visibl vocal accept establish global islam forc not feel threaten accept pursu islamic peac mean jew advoc approach advoc forc mean expand side power threat palestinian israel that maintain domin group told that not you you impos your control damn you threat member muslim minor insid islam world and activ not accept minor statu islam domin acheiv and maintain power coerciv forc major wield minor rank islam reader wait your honest answer want honest answer zionist for question not zionist feel that jewish and palestinian nationalist desir thi junctur accept jew don even god case founder secular zionism palestin inhabit palestin god gave you land for reason that muslim proper and righteou for islam spread forc not want that speak west bank inhabit not jew and not want part israel refer you refer scare and feel threaten feel that thi area degre part belief religion heritag ident etc strongli object that justifi isra rule not want that occupi territori not israel control domin tim
talk.politics.mideast	islam border isra border articl wjj newsflash concordia ilyess ec concordia ilyess bdira write jew don even god case founder secular zionism palestin inhabit palestin god gave you land noth land fact jew unit nation quit bit purchas arab absente landlord present claim base prior ownership purchas aforement absente landlord award unit nation partit palestin mandat territori and result defens war fought egyptian syrian jordanian speak west bank inhabit not jew and not want part israel point that jew not fact agre idea that west bank sinc agre claim west bank can answer your question thusli west bank call spoil war hussein order arab legion attack israel poor move isra promptli kick butt territori forefeit retain possess west bank not desir beat nation suicid for isra put anoth that palestinian that tel aviv belong and futur state palestin long thi state affair continu that give palestinian place can launch attack jew real poor idea give entir west bank idiot froma secur standpoint addit small matter jerusalem consid part west bank chanc isra give jerusalem nil even leftist yasser cool dude yossi sarid aren propos give jerusalem run town rail chag sameach jeff
talk.politics.mideast	wtc bomb tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write hada fictiti charact invent two men for bill purpos moham mehdi head arab american relat committe tim remind reader fact that daili new march report arrest jois hada foreign newspap report releas shortli can provid copi articl request alaa zeineldin
talk.politics.mideast	armenian genocid muslim peopl and articl mcj new cso uiuc edu ptg uxa cso uiuc edu pano tamamidi write alah alah kleriklemek mutuglu diyeni malakismeno kolo tourko likkleserfelc ekmek salam toukoutakli ranada sarma geke eipat yok plaka numarani alalim kanw sourc alper gazigirai osmanlilardan gunumuz kadar vesikalarla ermeni teroru nun kaynaklari gozen kitabevi istanbul van dan sonra ilk isyan sebinkarahisar basladi senesi haziran sivasli murat hamparsum boyaciyan denilen bir caninin emri altinda kadar cete sebinkarahisari basti burasi zaman onemli askeri bir yerdi erzurum bolgesind ru ordusu il savasan osmanli ordularinin butun ikmal araclari buradan gecmekt idi ermenil boyl onemli bir yer isgal ettikleri takdird turk ordularinin ikmali yapilamayacak ru ordularinin harekati kolaylasacakti sebinkarahisarin islam mahalleleri tamamen ates verildi rastlanan turk iskenc il olduruldu mu ayni sekild isyan devam ediyordu sason daglari ermeni eskiyalariyla dolu idi isyanlari ordunun arkasini vurmak ru ordusunun ilerlemesini saglamak icin ermenilerin pasa dedikleri rupen idar ediyordu bundan baska ru ordularinin ru turk sinirindan gecerek turk topraklarina girdikleri safhada ru ordusu icind bulunan ermeni gonullu alaylariyla ru ordularinin isgali altina giren ermeni koylerindeki silahli halk turk koylerin hucum ederek koyleri yakip yikmislar turk halkini hatira gelmeyen mezalim iskenc il oldurmulerdir suretl sehird gun cok kanli olaylar cereyan etti sonunda van ermenil tarafindan tamamen isgal olundu buradan kacabilen turklerin ermenilerin davranislari hakkinda verdikleri haberl tuyler urpertici idi cunku isyancilar halkin cogunu oldurmu kadinlarin irzina gecmi turk kadin kizlarini bazi evlerd topladiktan sonra buralarini genelev halin getirmislerdir zaman van kadar kadin cocuktan baska turk kalmami bunlari oradaki amerikalilar korumustur sehir bastan basa harab olmu carsi kamilen yanmisti serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	you feed armenian dirt you will bite dust apr urartu sdpa org dbd urartu sdpa org david davidian write david davidian turkish offici armenia last septemb and armenia assur armenian nuclear plant stai shut turkei promis armenia electr and middl decemb turkei joke armenia froze thi past winter armenian lost live turkei claim allow humanitarian aid enter armenia border turkei turkei replac high qualiti grain europ crap turkei mix dirt and that garbag armenia armenian lost live thi latest upi foreign ministri spokesman ferhat ataman told journalist turkei close air space flight and armenia and prevent humanitarian aid reach republ overland across turkish territori histor even uncivil peopl exhibit sign compass allow humanitarian aid reach civilian popul even nazi thi turkei will publicli pronounc hypocrit choos continu condemn serbian neophyto iacov univers minnesota email iacov umn edu comput scienc depart rutger umn iacov
talk.politics.mideast	isra murder march articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu hasan mcrcim mcgill edu write small refresh hasan track articl flax apr frej teknikum flax frej teknikum jona flygar write articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu hasan mcrcim mcgill edu write articl flax apr frej teknikum flax frej teknikum jona flygar write impress hasan realiz goof and drop thread save miniscul portion face not sinc logic person like further name call start trash articl that contain such abus respond and sometim not even read articl written acquir such bad habit bad compani followup subject you never bother respond name call assumpt you feel that answer refresh your memori human issu area appli palestinian you claim such thing forfeit human that explain rest can exist such thing us your logic and convinc thi your golden chanc jona flygar master wisdom jona flygar wrote that can wisdom respond you call name give titl read your paragraph not accept titl order you into debat master wisdom write mar frej teknikum hasan flax hasan case you didnot palestinean for month and come back you agre give palestinean human right afteral human right arenot negoti correct wrong isn life human appli palestinian killer kill give willingli unwillingli life societi societi repres gover exercis duti depriv killer life for israel kill peopl kill isra ey for ey think funni thought modern legal system made counter exactli that you expect you you master wsidom you insist give name titl not for you spell correctli sigh you intention neglect import fact that isra presenc occupi territori illegitim and action court law illegitim ground occupi territori not neglect that ask you whether exist isra citicen gaza invalid individu live you eloqu put human can back question law us territori you not adress question isra human right you expect you master wisdom explain point post that you respond point that sinc israel occupi automat depriv right occupi palestinean exactli similar automat depriv killer life societi state can depriv citizen human right action human live todai right conjugt group peopl occupi territori and rule forc thi group willingli unwillingli depriv right such live that nice swedish govern group peopl that rule forc that give kill you that you pose worthi question worthi not appli your logic relat problem assum you admit wouldn hold kind right and depriv anoth issu answer found system such intern law law isra law and conveni start legal system prove point excus throw master wisdom throw you peopl stai screen you watch that comedi pipe water telephon you secret not for real word for that law repres state dept thi case violenc occur occupi territori for hama turn islam system and system you propos us solv problem question not system solv problem system can solv law minist sharon kick palestinean palestin ask for system us that will preserv human right for peopl involv assum that obviou won repeat that mistak that straighten that eagerli await your repli joseph weitz administr respons for jewish colon write diari ourselv clear that room for peopl togeth thi countri not achiev goal independ peopl arab thi small countri solut palestin western palestin west jordan river arab and transfer arab neighbour countri transfer not villag not tribe left thi transfer will countri absorb million brethren davar septemb courtesi marc afifi question disregard obviou refer get israel plo coven and hama charter that english translat you inform interest you translat give credenc privat paper even older not into question wrote fairli obviou parti conflict share fanat guess not peopl that will make last peac region will make tabula rasa and start and will give order back and refer zionist jew donot can give you answer you master wisdom will not suggest imperialist isra system for solv problem that fair that not answer sinc ask for system that solv problem you us you provid contradict guess that take your logic never never land greatest problem zionism arab children rabbi shoham and add that cute quot you put end real bummer give your post credit jona flygar wherev you you ktargatan uppsala sweden
talk.politics.mideast	islam border israel misisipi gang articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu hasan mcrcim mcgill edu write articl bimac bitnet ehrlich bimac bitnet gideon ehrlich write hassan and not ware that jew celebr dai thje passov hollidai holidi nile imagin freeli work beter write that zionist drean misisipi nile question east west misisipi choic you loos palestin broklyn thought you gonna fromn misisipi back misisipi nonononnononono nile nile long
talk.politics.mideast	islam border isra border ilyess bdira write islam world dream planet not kick current inhabit deam dai convert jew had dream not feel threaten bit comfort that peopl want convert islam convert type violenc physic murder convert insult that and god lack god crap that convert thi not appli for muslim for jew and for friendli nice dress neighbour show sundai empti speach and cheap booklet church and object that you wrong convert matter time violenc will occur aren learn thouthand year convers relat violenc not inferiour peopl live and care your busi you assum that inferiour belief long you want chang think dorin
talk.politics.mideast	armenian kill kelbadjar azerbadjan continu articl apr kth hilmi dsv hilmi eren write armenian kill kelbadjar azerbadjan continu armenian attack continu attack kelbadjar azerbadjan peopl evacu kelbadjar town fascist soviet armenian govern hire mercenari slaughter azeri thi time armenian govern that forc aren armenia nagorno karabag heavi weapon and ordertak franc result turkei presid turgut ozal doesn act show teeth situat becom wors final time serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	armenian destroi moslem villag plain articl pol inna cascad ubc kvdoel ubc kee van den doel write you patholog liar you crack your record thi point disagre not chanc that line and that pathet even for serdar argic arromdian asala sdpa arf terror and revision triangl compuls liar deal rest wrote ambassador bristol sourc librari congress bristol paper gener correspond contain dashnak power world pot boil attack kurd turk and tartar commit outrag moslem massacr moslem and rob and destroi home last two year armenian russian caucasu shown abil govern and abil govern handl race power kurdish scholar sourc hassan arfa kurd london russian armi invad turkei sarikamish disast column preced battalion irregular armenian volunt caucasu and turkei command andranik blood thirsti adventur armenian volunt commit kind excess six hundr thousand kurd kill and eastern vilayet turkei serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	land for peac negotiatian articl apr unoc stssdxb unoc dorin baru write alan stein write you talk rabin govern interest territori compromis that leav vast major arab judea samaria and gaza isra control interrupt comment sinc earli isra will give adminstr rule occupi terretori palestinean palestinean refus and will refus such settlement that deni determin period point that not compromis bad idea and israel voic negoti and palestinean negoci opinion dorin donot isra voic negoti guess that refus give back land for for for arabian and palestinean voic that current negoti and call peac process not peac per for found predict that israel not give inch west bank and for golan height back arab month negoti madrid and washington prove predict will jump you blame isra for result negoti arab stall negoti loos arab feel that current negoti for legitim current statu quo and for open door arab market for isra trade and orang that simpli unaccept and revok opinion hasan
talk.politics.mideast	systemat genocid muslim popul armenian articl apr massei cblack massei black write furr sensibl mutlu can danc head pin and and behold invok net belov serdar program design seek word terrx and ghex sentenc and get autom repli you rave fascist soviet armenian govern engag disgust cowardli massacr azeri women and children that fact bother you mutlu oboi thi excit you discuss your literatur tast your fantasi and your choic entertain you consid turn and leav aren brain dead continu discuss genocid million muslim peopl soviet armenian govern etc etc etc ridicul not address origin point made joel don thi mate poor plant scientist don make kill file kei work overtim problem you read newspap pain search gruesom extent februari kill azeri armenian town hojali last emerg azerbaijan men women and children dead worst outrag year war nagorni karabakh figur drawn azeri investig hojali offici and casualti list publish baku press diplomat and aid worker death toll line estim februari attack hojali armenian forc last move year campaign full control nagorni karabakh subject round negoti rome mondai bloodsh fight retreat and massacr investig that dead civilian aw number peopl kill suppress fear communist govern baku blur armenian denial and grief stricken azerbaijan wild and contradictori alleg dead state prosecut aydin rasulov cheif investig man team into azerbaijan call hojali disast figur peopl dead minimum preliminari find similar estim elman memmedov mayor hojali even higher print baku newspap ordu dead peopl name and bodi report unidentifi thi figur dead quot offici leila yunusova spokeswoman azeri ministri defenc francoi zen ruffinen head deleg intern red cross baku muslim imam nearbi citi agdam had report figur bodi receiv mosqu hojali civilian not count bodi figur reason fantasi zen ruffinen idea sinc gave bodi bag and product wash dead rasulov endeavour give unemot estim number dead massacr don work will month final figur year lawyer small offic rasulov thing two year reach firm conclus that peopl kill and wound soviet troop and tank crush nationalist upris baku januari nationalist popular front final power week ago and appli pressur find exactli happen hojali azeri town li mile border armenia fell armenian offici peopl certifi dead number peopl that medic examin republ forens depart thi small percentag dead rafiq youssifov republ chief forens scientist bodi brought rememb chao and fact that muslim and wash and buri dead hour peopl women and children year gunshot kill peopl shrapnel kill and ax blunt instrument kill exposur highland snow kill last thirti peopl show sign deliber mutil includ ear nose breast penis cut and ey goug professor youssifov report bodi examin believ kill rasulov file rasulov investig commiss disorganis list azeri militiamen dead six policemen and handwrit mosqu attend name corps brought wash dai heartbreak account wit interview come towfiq manafov azeri investig helicopt flight escap rout hojali februari bodi dead and wound ground count properli hojali peopl stream and road and visibl nakhchivanik villag manafov wrote statement countersign helicopt pilot peopl wave for dead children and two year aliv dead woman live pull arm for mother land armenian start barrag helicopt and had return consolid list and figur circul polit upheav last month and fact that exactli hojali time inhabit displac villag armenian forc independ london hero fought amid bodi aref sadikov sat quietli shade cafe bar caspian sea esplanad baku and show line stitch trouser torn armenian bullet fled town hojali month ago write hugh pope wear cloth don year carpent begin account hojali disast wound place lucki aliv sadikov and wife short food electr for month and cut helicopt flight for dai sens armenian noos tighten peopl left straggl azeri town edg karabakh bombard start such had never heard kind weapon artilleri heavi machin gun lot sadikov neighbour pour street direct attack huddl shelter start flee town hill stream and snow into forest side escap townspeopl had reach azeri town agdam mile thought make dawn reach bottleneck two armenian villag nakhchivanik and saderak group hurt spot car road and armenian outpost start open fire sadikov azeri militiamen fight hojali rush forward forc open corridor for civilian effort vain sadikov peopl group made includ wife and militiaman son relat di includ year elder brother had time reach and cover face hat pull big flat turkish cap ey never bodi back group lucki benefit cover fire hero evacu alif hajief shot dead struggl chang magazin cover group cross sadikov anoth hero elman memmedov mayor hojali and spent dai februari bushi hillsid surround dead bodi armenian armour personnel carrier bai survivor stagger last mile into agdam comfort town popul flee night reach town big armenian rocket attack peopl sadikov had hospit for treatment bad even found bullet sock victim war azeri woman mourn son kill hojali massacr februari left nurs struggl primit condit centr save wound man makeshift oper theatr set train carriag grief stricken rel town agdam weep coffin anoth massacr victim calcul final death toll complic muslim buri dead hour photograph liu heung frederiqu lengaign reuter independ london serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	systemat genocid muslim popul armenian articl apr mnemosyn edu jfurr nyx edu joel furr write dunno warren dai heard rumor that serdar argic aka hasan mutlu and ahm cosar and zumabot not turk fact armenian congratul your analyt and excel reportag diana write tye biograph you quot can perceiv chauvinist remnant armenian gene even armenian strong characterist armenian women armenian ancestri trace eliza kewark armenian india marri scottish merchant thedor forb union born kathleen scott forb marri jame crombi aberdeen had daughter jane marri david littlejohn daughter ruth marri william gill ruth silvia gill grandmoth ladi diana marri lord fermoi and daughter franc ruth burk roach marri earl spencer father ladi diana noteworthi that eliza kewark refer mr forbesian characterist armenian surnam end armenian scottish gene mix dynamit levon topuzian assist professor northwestern univers skoie illinoi time decemb letter attempt make discuss massacr armenia turk nois laden make discuss imposs therebi cloak histor record tremend cloud confus you set straw hors and knock not impress armenian tore apart ottoman empir eastern provinc massacr million defenseless turkish women children and elderli peopl burn thousand turkish and kurdish villag and extermin entir turkish popul armenian dictatorship such outrag sleight hand that emploi todai armenia bring depth and verif turkish genocid that hard match hundr year ago armenian thought want sheer terror russian anarchist that accept role model armenian terror group asala sdpa arf terror and revision triangl resort tactic butcher score innoc turk and famili unit state and europ that scale fascist soviet armenia todai sourc stanford shaw armenian collabor invad russian armi histori ottoman empir and modern turkei volum reform revolut republ rise modern turkei london cambridg univers press april dashnak russian armenia organ revolt citi van armenian compris percent popul closest armenian major citi empir leav erivan april armenian volunt reach van and organ and carri gener slaughter local muslim popul two dai small ottoman garrison had retreat southern side lake know number never justifi territori ambit armenian look russia and europ for fulfil aim armenian treacheri thi regard culmin begin world war decis revolutionari organ refus serv state ottoman empir and assist invad russian armi hope particip russian success reward independ armenian state carv ottoman territori armenian polit leader armi offic and common soldier began desert drove russian invas eastern anatolia begin world war degre armenian collabor ottoman enemi increas drastic ottoman suppli line cut guerilla attack armenian revolutionari arm armenian civil popul turn massacr muslim popul provinc van anticip expect arriv invad russian armi serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	armenian destroi villag trabzon erzurum articl apr lehigh edu lehigh edu peter vorobieff write disclaim usenet dumb interpret thi post and meaning want assur thi entiti that joke yell telephon and lawn mower peopl will you loonei howl wire comment sourc document volum document archiv cabin drawer file section content colonel seyfi gener headquart second section istanbul stephan eshnani neue wiener tagblatt vienna pester lloyd local anzlig berlin algemeen handelsblat amsterdam vakit istanbul close for two week withdraw russian and armenian turkish territori armenia two month elaps sinc clear territori armenian gang observ evid cruelti armenian almost step villag trabzon erzincan and erzincan erzurum destroi corps turk brutal and cruelli slain account save live escap mountain horribl and fear event begun russian forc evacu place armenian gang russian treat peopl peopl fear intervent armenian onc place had armenian massacr begun announc intent clear call armenian and kurdish land turk and solv nation problem todai had opportun meet austrian and german soldier had escap russian prison camp and come kar and alexand paul gumru leninakan russian offic save turk and clash russian offic and armenian gang erzurum and terribl almost citi destroi smell corps fill air specul that armenian gang murder austrian and german prison not support evid thi regard proof murder turkish prison war stephan eshnani serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	life and fall wlodowa not forget articl apr oneb almanac kmcvai oneb almanac ken mcvai write rememb and not forget sisha fuch never don whether formul and propos such index criteria determin magnitud genocid mention and advis toynbe you will easili magnitud crime genocid commit armenian massacr alien popul rule constitut total popul and time period two year enjoi full control thi popul you genocid histori mankind similar thi and you whether silent and unmourn martyrdom hundr thousand turk republ armenia extermin final solut turco tartar problem armenia similar not martyrdom six million jew europ final solut jewish problem serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	land for peac negotiatian hasan mcrcim mcgill edu write donot isra voic negoti guess that refus give back land for for sound wish guess for arabian and palestinean voic that current negoti and call peac process not peac per for found predict that israel not give inch west bank and for golan height back arab month negoti madrid and washington prove predict will jump you blame isra for result negoti arab stall negoti loos call you mean you peac process you palestinean not negoci found predict you that found you not test tabl month not prove side fault not palestinean want israel and not accept term isra palestinenan not readi for statehood polit palestinean leadership fraction aso not that reason real make arab stall negoti arab feel that current negoti for legitim current statu quo and for open door arab market for isra trade and orang that simpli unaccept and revok california orang and feel sharper tabl regard dorin
talk.politics.mideast	isra murder march articl flax apr frej teknikum flax frej teknikum jona flygar write articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu hasan mcrcim mcgill edu write articl flax apr frej teknikum flax frej teknikum jona flygar write articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu hasan mcrcim mcgill edu write articl flax apr frej teknikum flax frej teknikum jona flygar write impress hasan realiz goof and drop thread save miniscul portion face not sinc logic person like further name call start trash articl that contain such abus respond and sometim not even read articl written acquir such bad habit bad compani delet stuff master wisdom jona flygar wrote that can wisdom respond you call name give titl read your paragraph not accept titl order you into debat didnot that master wisdom can name clling you deserv master wisdom write mar frej teknikum hasan flax hasan case you didnot palestinean for month and come back you agre give palestinean human right afteral human right arenot negoti correct wrong isn life human appli palestinian killer kill give willingli unwillingli life societi societi repres gover exercis duti depriv killer life for israel kill peopl kill isra ey for ey think funni thought modern legal system made counter exactli that you expect you you master wsidom you insist give name titl not for you spell correctli sigh that confus you hei you intention neglect import fact that isra presenc occupi territori illegitim and action court law illegitim ground occupi territori not neglect that ask you whether exist isra citicen gaza invalid individu you retali and confus live you eloqu put human can back question law us territori you not adress question isra human right statement doesnot that exist isra citizen revok life isra occup revok life for citizen basic revok for militari men occup undeclar war war attack militari target fulli legitim secondli sure isra human right gover protect withdraw occupi terretori not oppress palestinean human right you expect you master wisdom explain point post that you respond point that sinc israel occupi automat depriv right occupi palestinean exactli similar automat depriv killer life societi state can depriv citizen human right action human live todai right not state israel oppress ignor tyrant kind right and depriv anoth issu answer found system such intern law law isra law delet jona throw not for real you can stick screen that law repres state dept thi case violenc occur occupi territori for hama turn islam system and system you propos us solv problem question not system solv problem system can solv law minist sharon kick palestinean palestin ask for system us that will preserv human right for peopl involv assum that obviou won repeat that mistak that straighten that eagerli await your repli you agre that that isra solut wouldnot preserv human right understand thi your statement thi paragraph joseph weitz administr respons for jewish colon write diari ourselv clear that room for peopl togeth thi countri not achiev goal independ peopl arab thi small countri solut palestin western palestin west jordan river arab and transfer arab neighbour countri transfer not villag not tribe left thi transfer will countri absorb million brethren davar septemb courtesi marc afifi question disregard obviou refer get israel plo coven and hama charter that english translat you inform interest you translat give credenc privat paper even older not into question wrote fairli obviou parti conflict share fanat guess not peopl that will make last peac region delet stuff exactli you guess that problem that isra gover full men joseph weitz and refer zionist jew donot can give you answer you master wisdom will not suggest imperialist isra system for solv problem that fair that not answer sinc ask for system that solv problem you us you provid contradict you wrote that you understood meant underlin system can us solv conflict not system resolv justli guess that take your logic never never land you prove you understood meant you claim you didnot claim contradict logic bad for you master wisdom greatest problem zionism arab children rabbi shoham and add that cute quot you put end real bummer give your post credit you feel asham thing and fact that you you zionist you zionist code and act feel for you rabbi shoham had zionism racism you feel asham and bother zionist code drop zionism you not zionist you bother you join condemn racist zionist code and act hasan jona flygar
talk.politics.mideast	armenian nazi collabor world war articl new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write track zuma and determin seradr chang fact that period armenian govern order incit assist and particip genocid million muslim peopl race religion and nation origin you haven correct world war armenian carri german and cring and fawn nazi that zeal armenian public germani hairenik carri statement follow sometim difficult erad poison element jew struck deep root chronic diseas and becom for peopl nazi erad uncommon method attempt regard revolutionari surgic oper flow blood natur thing for view armenian genocid muslim and jew extract letter date decemb publish san francisco chronicl answer letter that had publish journal signatur amarian hand inform and evid armenian atroc peopl jew member famili wit murder member famili erzurum turkei armenian neighbor bent destroi and remot jewish and muslim armenian histori and havoc and ancestor perpetr neighbor armenian leagu hitler last war premis grant govern return armenian extermin jew armenian hearti propon anti semit act leagu russian communist amarian don your bia sign elihu ben levi vacavil california jame mandalian dro drastamat kanayan armenian review quarterli hairenik associ inc summer june vol serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	armenian massacr innoc azeri women and children articl iacov gurnei iacov gurnei umn edu neophyto iacov write histor even uncivil peopl exhibit sign compass allow humanitarian aid reach civilian popul even nazi thi world commun powerless human right advoc decent peopl thi human tragedi and noth number azeri murder terrorist armenian armi and savag gang increas new report make live provid stori and hell that confus public happen armenia countri that and risk detract peopl interest happen serbia you live altern univers appeal mankind last year azerbaijan and multin popul vainli fight for justic limit soviet union humanitarian constitut human right guarante charter univers declar human right helsinki agreement human problem intern forum document sign soviet union violat ussr presid govern bodi not defend azerbaijan empow measur guarante life and peac strong armi armenian terrorist moscow tacit consent wage undeclar war annihil azerbaijan result part azerbaijan occupi and annex hundr peopl kill thousand wound azerbaijani brutal and inhumanli deport armenian ssr histor homeland togeth russian and kurd driven part settl azerbaijan turkish meskhetian lezghin and repres caucasian nation escap central asia presid and govern bodi not guarante life and peac suffer deport scandal vandal direct not azerbaijan scienc world civil armenian extremist destruct karabakh scientif experiment base institut genet and select academi scienc azerbaijan ssr beg you for humanitarian and polit assist for honour and digniti million azerbaijani violat territori cultur and histori trampl peopl shot persist neg imag azerbaijanian abroad and thi defam spread world soviet mass media armenian lobbi ussr and unit state myth that event allegedli involv and gener interethn collis and religi intoler truth that shoot and recent event stem territori claim armenia azerbaijan document fact that conflict friction armenian and azerbaijani issu karabakh hundr and thousand armenian placidli and calmli live and work azerbaijan land had repres govern bodi azerbaijan ssr for unit indivis sovereign azerbaijan for common caucasian home proclaim found father azerbaijan democrat republ muham emin rasulzad goal and expect trampl soviet leadership favour armenian expansionist encourag moscow and intend creat year reich great armenia annex neighbor land world public opinion shed tear save whale suffer for penguin dy antarct contin live million human be peopl muslim mean that valuabl can peopl discrimin colour skin religion resid attribut peopl brother and appeal brother for and understand thi not appeal azerbaijan world public opinion previou appeal unheard carri hope that truth russian and armenian propaganda will dai reveal extent suffer and stimul and compass for azerbaijan tender whale and penguin committe for peopl karabakh academi scienc azerbaijan ssr thi even turk thi you thi give time period world bore and happen armenia make front page headlin ly happen somalia press report world perhap turkiy interven affair caucasu name peac and democraci armenian christian azerbaijani moslem and islam religion unlov democrat western root thi conflict lie territori claim azerbaijan consequ blood and suffer innoc azeri peopl hundr thousand refuge and gross violat human right recent armenian attack azeri town khojali and massacr thousand azeri pari base associ for democraci and human right azerbaijan put number khojali victim dead scalp and mutil thi thing want will bring stori armenia front page russian move into area shit load tank your human right advoc will show defend armenian can that russian won show tank not problem home scenario and genocid stage armenian year ago ottoman empir reenact thi time azerbaijan remark similar plot perpetr and underdog report york time tuesdai march massacr armenian report agdam azerbaijan march reuter fresh evid emerg todai massacr civilian armenian milit nagorno karabakh predominantli armenian enclav azerbaijan republ armenia reiter denial that milit had kill peopl azerbaijani popul town khojali last week and massacr men women and children flee carnag across snow cover mountain pass dozen bodi scatter area lent credenc azerbaijani report massacr scalp report azerbaijani offici and journalist flew briefli region helicopt brought back dead children back head blown shoot armenian prevent retriev bodi women and children scalp assad faradshev aid nagorno karabakh azerbaijani governor began pick bodi began fire azerbaijani militia chief agdam rashid mamedov bodi ly flock sheep even fascist noth thi truckload bodi agdam outskirt nagorno karabakh reuter photograph frederiqu lengaign had two truck fill azerbaijani bodi count and look second had head cut and had burn men and had wear khaki uniform serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	islam border isra border articl apr wam umd edu spinoza wor wam umd edu yon bonni laird cairn rob write articl wjj newsflash concordia ilyess ec concordia ilyess bdira write jew don even god case founder secular zionism palestin inhabit palestin god gave you land noth land fact jew unit nation quit bit purchas arab absente landlord present claim base prior ownership purchas aforement absente landlord award unit nation partit palestin mandat territori and result defens war fought egyptian syrian jordanian speak west bank inhabit not jew and not want part israel point that jew not fact agre idea that west bank sinc agre claim west bank can answer your question thusli west bank call spoil war hussein order arab legion thi funni suppos that fact israel didnot attack jordan till jordan attack israel you explain attack syria syria didnot enter war israel till dai funni that you impli that reason israel captur sinai egypt attack israel poor move isra promptli kick butt territori forefeit retain possess west bank not desir beat nation suicid for isra put anoth that palestinian that tel aviv belong and futur state palestin long thi state affair continu that give palestinian place can launch attack jew real poor idea give entir west bank idiot froma secur standpoint addit small matter jerusalem consid part west bank chanc isra give jerusalem nil even leftist yasser cool dude yossi sarid aren propos give jerusalem run town rail chag sameach jeff
talk.politics.mideast	tsiel logic emmanuel huna articl bimac bitnet huna bimac bitnet emmanuel huna write steel read tsiel not racist you anti semit and stop shout you fanat emmanuel huna give logic break will you gosh kind intellig you tesiel man not arab for onc fuck tsiel for tag racist and get prais logicless tsiel apolog for racist remark prais for that courag hike call racist proof not you proven that your brain malfunct and you moron that loos net fanat proud fanat right and freedom you idiot
talk.politics.mideast	islam border isra border tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write strongli object that justifi isra rule not want that occupi territori not israel control domin arab make peac leftist arabist lunat call israel withdraw moder realiz that isra withdrawl will base camp david madrid formula make full peac prerequisit territori concess tim
talk.politics.mideast	islam border isra border hasan mcrcim mcgill edu write articl apr wam umd edu spinoza wor wam umd edu yon bonni laird cairn rob write articl wjj newsflash concordia ilyess ec concordia ilyess bdira write jew don even god case founder secular zionism palestin inhabit palestin god gave you land noth land fact jew unit nation quit bit purchas arab absente landlord present claim base prior ownership purchas aforement absente landlord award unit nation partit palestin mandat territori and result defens war fought egyptian syrian jordanian speak west bank inhabit not jew and not want part israel point that jew not fact agre idea that west bank sinc agre claim west bank can answer your question thusli west bank call spoil war hussein order arab legion thi funni suppos that fact israel didnot attack jordan till jordan attack israel you explain attack syria syria didnot enter war israel till dai syria had bomb isra settlement golan and send terrorist squad into israel for year you provid specif can don you give hasan start tire your empti li you can defend your posit and ideolog document fact and argument crap you regularli post exampl brendan mckai don agre logic and document argu posit you insist constantli spout baseless li you piss peopl that you won prove add worthi discuss your argument prove poor debat you and weak your case love
talk.politics.mideast	isra murder march articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu hasan mcrcim mcgill edu write stuff delet wrote you call name give titl read your paragraph not accept titl order you into debat hasan repli didnot that master wisdom can name clling you deserv you refer you fact name not for term name call hasan write you expect you you master wsidom repli you insist give name titl not for you spell correctli sigh hasan gloat that confus you hei hell bent retard into childhood you intention neglect import fact that isra presenc occupi territori illegitim and action court law illegitim ground occupi territori not neglect that ask you whether exist isra citicen gaza invalid individu you retali and confus spell correctli and apolog confus you will not repeat that live you eloqu put human can back question law us territori you not adress question isra human right statement doesnot that exist isra citizen revok life isra occup revok life for citizen basic revok for militari men occup undeclar war war attack militari target fulli legitim phrase question repeatedli ask you isra human right palestinian and your post you not directli adress question infer that you thought togeth statement assum that reason action state israel your statement occup you defin term don repeat thi drag answer hasan procedur neccesari secondli sure isra human right gover protect withdraw occupi terretori not oppress palestinean human right sentenc not make sens rephras state can depriv citizen human right action human live todai right not state israel oppress ignor tyrant human right syrian iraqi and name hama sound familiar kurd iraq and turkei sweden bit farfetch russian baltic state moslem ussr and yugoslavia serb human right remaina you and system you propos us solv problem question not system solv problem system can solv law minist sharon kick palestinean palestin ask for system us that will preserv human right for peopl involv assum that obviou won repeat that mistak that straighten that eagerli await your repli you agre that that isra solut wouldnot preserv human right understand thi your statement thi paragraph agre that kick palestinian israel proper lead disast for parti that you refer isra solut joseph weitz administr respons for jewish colon write diari ourselv clear that room for peopl togeth thi countri not achiev goal independ peopl arab thi small countri solut palestin western palestin west jordan river arab and transfer arab neighbour countri transfer not villag not tribe left thi transfer will countri absorb million brethren davar septemb courtesi marc afifi question disregard obviou refer get israel plo coven and hama charter that english translat you inform interest you translat give credenc privat paper even older not into question wrote fairli obviou parti conflict share fanat guess not peopl that will make last peac region delet stuff exactli you guess that problem that isra gover full men joseph weitz you met person read diari fascin you for live and refer zionist jew donot can give you answer you master wisdom will not suggest imperialist isra system for solv problem that fair that not answer sinc ask for system that solv problem you us you provid contradict you wrote that you understood meant underlin system can us solv conflict not system resolv justli unjust solut solut per definit you for hold that properti exist such that properti not hold statement fals guess that take your logic never never land you prove you understood meant you claim you didnot claim contradict logic bad for you master wisdom point not small flaw your reason sinc you claim logic felt point thi you start your statement prove point assum you not logic greatest problem zionism arab children rabbi shoham and add that cute quot you put end real bummer give your post credit you feel asham thing and fact that you you zionist you zionist code and act feel for you rabbi shoham had zionism racism you feel asham and bother zionist code drop zionism you not zionist you bother you join condemn racist zionist code and act quot can misus us stereotyp individu statement individu you us method that you credit zionist that place you advic you not assum loyalti will and condemn act find vile and inhuman long can not assum act peopl zionist you mean state israel govern israel leader israel polit and religi jew gener you feel condemn condemn respons you feel start condemn you person base bomb egypt jona flygar wherev you you ktargatan uppsala sweden
talk.politics.mideast	order for turkish extermin armenian order for turkish extermin armenian children genocid send into desert thi part continu seri articl contain offici turkish wartim government telegram translat entail order for extermin armenian peopl turkei gener telegram issu turkish minist interior talaat pasha for exampl set children govern aleppo novemb inform that belong armenian siva mamuret aziz diarbekir and erzeroum hundr distanc aleppo adopt moslem famili and receiv servant left alon death parent inform you that you collect such children your provinc and send place deport and give order thi peopl minist interior talaat govern aleppo septemb for orphanag not time give sentiment and feed orphan prolong live send desert and inform minist interior talaat gener committe for settl and deporte novemb hundr children orphanag will ad caravan and place exil abdullahad nuri govern aleppo januari hear that orphanag open receiv children armenian whether thi ignor real purpos contempt govern will regard feed such children attempt prolong live act oppos purpos sinc consid surviv children detriment recommend that such children not receiv into orphanag and attempt made establish special orphanag for minist interior talaat govern aleppo collect and orphan cannot rememb tortur parent subject send rest caravan minist interior talaat ministri interior govern aleppo time thousand moslem refuge and widow shekid fallen soldier food and protect not expedi incur extra expens feed children left armenian will serv purpos that give troubl futur that children turn your vilayet and caravan place deport that till complianc previou order siva minist interior talaat halid edip pioneer turkish nationalist wrote memoir convers talaat pasha verifi and ration thi ultra nation fascist anti armenian mental convict that long nation for interest and succe world admir and think moral readi die for and die for telegram enter unquest evid trial talaat pasha assassin soghomon tehlerian turkish govern never question death march order time world remind genocid armenian for reason studi psycholog genocid denial turkish govern and support crime deni that such order issu and claim that telegram forgeri base studi orel and yuca turkish histor societi examin sampl authent text provid turkish histor societi studi and us forgeri test that sampl forgeri fact test delin turkish histor societi perform piec ottoman turkish persian arab script find that handwritten such languag forgeri todai bodi talaat pasha li tomb liberti hill istanbul turkei yildiz univers campu bodi thi genocid architect return turkei germani turkei heighten state proto fascism recent thi monument serv focal point for anti armenian turkei thi monument repres epitom turkish govern patholog denial clear histor event and insult peopl crime born armenian refer memoir naim bei aram andonian page ibid page ibid page ibid page ibid page ibid page memoir halid edip halid edip centuri press york and london page david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
talk.politics.mideast	treatment armenian azerbaijan deposit vitali nikolayevich danielian born attend grade middl school resid build apart microdistrict sumgait azerbaijan peopl town didn happen februari home school clock excus leav last period order baku left town fine life usual group peopl discuss thing soccer and thing sumgait bu bound for baku for cousin birthdai father mother and spent dai baku and bu for home figur that time homework for dai enter town stori high rise bu stop larg crowd crowd demand that armenian bu driver that armenian board bu begin shout that armenian board group come door bu and peopl not check passport peopl bu not for armenian set direct home into build knew place hide road pack group peopl block microdistrict group empti peopl pocket and check passport peopl didn passport beaten decid home stori high rise burn car and great peopl stand drivewai yell death armenian written car into courtyard live shape build quiet upstair didn turn light call baku warn rel due arriv wednesdai not come knock door neighbor advis come stai place place and led basement live floor and basement you enter across balconi sat basement armenian woman beaten ran nake neighbor daughter that that that armenian deserv stepanakert allegedli peopl kill girl agdam had rape didn stai long basement support anoth small window iron grate papa watch and thing and that fire build car fire group approach drivewai and demand that shown apart armenian live neighbor that weren armenian and group set for wing build appear side build found woman had murder woman ran nake di yuri avakian kill crowd left neighbor that and home back place and didn turn light start gather thing order leav sumgait for call rel live sumgait answer decid had left sat home phone rang and caller ask speak father call phone jeykhun mamedov father work brigad disgust happen town ask for address and promis car and citi quit honest papa didn want give address mother phone and told minut call crowd ran into entrywai burst into build broke door and into apart straight apart knew exactli armenian into place resist noth parent passport and began read read surnam danielian turn page read armenian and that alon doom that move quickli into courtyard anoth stand push kei piano and your death toll had knive and steel truncheon had knife hand didn us knew that didn give knife thing wors struck parent and that put knife piano command that person give order outdoor middl and mother start push walk faster ahead and fell push hit and that moment began beat parent realiz that resist complet useless into courtyard and neighbor stand balconi will happen crowd surround strike and knock come beat lose conscious don hear parent sinc hit and cold come pick ly crowd peopl watch balconi that pick can left arm broken start drive want neighbor call ambul bodi parent warm attack clock regain conscious and make stair home knock neighbor door push back and floor neighbor put damp cloth head and will call ambul send son for and take apart window ambul arriv can result blow and that parent calm and convinc that and will morn found ambul pick dead receiv attent time aliv clock policemen civilian cloth come hous assist call ambul and minut arriv and sumgait emerg hospit stitch wound head and rebind arm clock and armenian hospit ambul baku ward sumgait hospit peopl armenian hospit overflow armenian azerbaijani car had flip event semashko hospit baku dai releas dai found that parent dead told that moscow treat found that dead father older brother told father name nikolai artemovich danielian born mother born seda osipovna danielian papa work pmk leader roof brigad mamma compressor oper beaten head coron report state that head smash open and bled profus confront met jeykhun mamedov had call turn had tip crowd had call specif find home and find exact address and dispatch group knew phone number didn address event had never had spoken phone speak father knew name deni that answer phone that father answer deni that call public phone that call home isn true heard nois and sound automobil found earlier had convict had never serv time had receiv suspend sentenc year don sinc confess not that tip crowd hundr percent parent karabagh father villag badar and two year famili move baku elder brother school student naval school never graduat work virgin land gigant agricultur project institut khrushchev return live baku and move sumgait help town construct mamma villag dagdagan karabagh work sumgait bookstor and construct site sister older live husband karabagh love parent that grade dream that continu studi finish grade and want enter baku nautic school and that militari school chang mind parent recon sider that finish grade and join naval school plan navi almost life long sinc childhood had dream sailor father want recollect youth tell school and that had made big mistak leav live karabagh and never plan leav will stai home grandfath ancestor till end dai hospit baku learn fate had suffer ishkhan trdatov manag hold resid microdistrict build apart for long time lost father gabriel and miracl manag surviv learn uncl sasha build daughter rape valeri forgot last name hospit year younger school ride parent car peopl throw rock hit and parent brought hospit and ward even friend that had each town hospit anoth learn fate had di befallen misfortun todai suren harutunian secretari communist parti armenia shown televis honest glad that armenia agre recogn nagorno karabagh part armenian soviet socialist republ repel revolt hear baku announc read decis azerbaijani suprem soviet presidium karabagh part armenia event sumgait and baku solut give karabagh armenia return armenia sinc peopl want live peacefulli azerbaijani can that arriv karabagh april felt bad had constant headach strength return older sister suzanna that justic prevail peopl demand due you can due parent and spoke nagorno karabagh visit spent almost vacat had even decid that karabagh made part armenia move for that armenian peopl had suffer and that had remov nagorno karabagh armenia wrong sooner mistak correct and order correct mistak not repeat and fate nagorno karabagh li hand govern june stepanakert david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
talk.politics.mideast	islam border isra border articl wjj newsflash concordia ilyess ec concordia ilyess bdira write articl bimac bitnet ehrlich bimac bitnet gideon ehrlich write border islam world dream islam world dream planet not kick current inhabit deam dai convert jew had dream not feel threaten bit contrari protocol zion crowd suggest judaism not such goal islam reader wait your honest answer want honest answer zionist for question jew don even god case founder secular zionism palestin inhabit palestin god gave you land question you complic and deserv honest answer provid current perspect not histor observ jew isra american feel that jew diaspora not greater palestin israel palestinian isra arab and jew regard jewish isra right israel isra speak west bank inhabit not jew and not want part israel you mean religi jew you awar that major settler and support religi part problem knowledg not that palestinian don want part israel accept for part full citizen israel privilig and respons accord isra citizen object current limbo find shai gudai stealth bomber softwar engin think machin corp wing ninja ski cambridg
talk.politics.mideast	isra murder march gui for thi long articl fact quot articl flax apr frej teknikum flax frej teknikum jona flygar write you intention neglect import fact that isra presenc occupi territori illegitim and action court law illegitim ground occupi territori not neglect that ask you whether exist isra citicen gaza invalid individu live you eloqu put human can back question law us territori you not adress question isra human right statement doesnot that exist isra citizen revok life isra occup revok life for citizen basic revok for militari men occup undeclar war war attack militari target fulli legitim phrase question repeatedli ask you isra human right palestinian you wait for line you read statement secondli sure isra human right and belong human race you disagre that your post you not directli adress question infer that you thought togeth statement assum that reason action state israel your statement occup you defin term don repeat thi drag answer hasan procedur neccesari secondli sure isra human right gover protect withdraw occupi terretori not oppress palestinean human right sentenc not make sens rephras donot you make full sens isra kill israel occupi israel withdraw and isra blood will save isnot palestinean undermin life isra israel occupi and expos life citizen unconclud war gener violenc occupi terretori part intifada and had previous post long articl thi issu finish open question suppos intifada stop motiv for israel withdraw donot hope for peac and thi bullshit world and hope for peac isnot hope peac not suffici motiv state can depriv citizen human right action human live todai right not state israel oppress ignor tyrant human right syrian iraqi and name hama sound familiar kurd iraq and turkei sweden bit farfetch russian baltic state moslem ussr and yugoslavia serb human right remaina you for arabian countri problem arabian concern arabian peopl can deal west doesnot interven for serb donot that fuck rapist excus languag hurt bosnia arenot human sure outer space human can such attroc particip and system you propos us solv problem question not system solv problem system can solv law minist sharon kick palestinean palestin ask for system us that will preserv human right for peopl involv assum that obviou won repeat that mistak that straighten that eagerli await your repli you agre that that isra solut wouldnot preserv human right understand thi your statement thi paragraph agre that kick palestinian israel proper lead disast for parti that you refer isra solut joseph weitz administr respons for jewish colon write diari ourselv clear that room for peopl togeth thi countri not achiev goal independ peopl arab thi small countri solut palestin western palestin west jordan river arab and transfer arab neighbour countri transfer not villag not tribe left thi transfer will countri absorb million brethren davar septemb courtesi marc afifi question disregard obviou refer get israel plo coven and hama charter that english translat you inform interest you translat give credenc privat paper even older not into question wrote fairli obviou parti conflict share fanat guess not peopl that will make last peac region delet stuff exactli you guess that problem that isra gover full men joseph weitz you met person read diari fascin you for live and refer zionist jew donot can give you answer you master wisdom will not suggest imperialist isra system for solv problem that fair that not answer sinc ask for system that solv problem you us you provid contradict you wrote that you understood meant underlin system can us solv conflict not system resolv justli unjust solut solut per definit definit into world polit polit solut doesnot impli solut you for hold that properti exist such that properti not hold statement fals guess that take your logic never never land you prove you understood meant you claim you didnot claim contradict logic bad for you master wisdom point not small flaw your reason sinc you claim logic felt point thi you start your statement prove point assum you not logic that problem definit solut solut never last politician solut donot mean solut solut greatest problem zionism arab children rabbi shoham and add that cute quot you put end real bummer give your post credit you feel asham thing and fact that you you zionist you zionist code and act feel for you rabbi shoham had zionism racism you feel asham and bother zionist code drop zionism you not zionist you bother you join condemn racist zionist code and act quot can misus us stereotyp individu statement individu you us method that you credit zionist that place you advic you not assum loyalti will and condemn act find vile and inhuman long can not assum act peopl zionist you mean state israel govern israel leader israel polit and religi jew gener you feel condemn condemn respons you feel start condemn you person base bomb egypt jona flygar hasan
talk.politics.mideast	mutlu can danc head pin apr mnemosyn edu jfurr nyx edu joel furr write dunno warren dai heard rumor that serdar argic aka hasan mutlu and ahm cosar and zumabot not turk fact armenian attempt make discuss massacr armenia turk nois laden make discuss imposs therebi cloak histor record tremend cloud confus hasan multu middl name not heard bibo recal that argic azari for bite wax macedonian don mail address find snail address quash shergold rumor redirect ahm cosar year greek boi incur case crosspost into usenet book world record for highest nois signal ratio warren nysernet org
talk.politics.mideast	complet and systemat extermin armenian articl xcu polari async edu jfurr polari async edu joel furr write depew shown unrepent embarrass and possess fuck hubri laden righteous that theori that holler kill spirit crimin nazi armenian asala sdpa arf terror and revision triangl deal rest wrote activ armenian govern effort aim erad race turk aim carri side feud struggl for liber outset effort armenian revolutionari ottoman border form terrorist and destruct action aim mass murder cruelti and genocid that interpret armenian activ start reign abdulhamid individu act terror and develop into assassin and surpris attack element brute forc activ increas steadili culmin mass rebellion and widespread fight world war ottoman armi withdrew eastern anatolia sarikami defeat armenian revolutionari initi seri cruelti thi area russian occupi eastern anatolia enemi nevertheless constrain rule war return countri revolut armenian revolutionari uncheck thi area for year ottoman forc return erzurum thi period armenian revolutionari execut massacr local peopl record histor document for exampl report date march command armi submit enter erzurum and erzincan complet and systemat destroi and burn armenian even tree cut and build consum fire sens word for peopl had live erzurum and erzincan capabl fight begin excus forc labor road construct direct sarikami and annihil russian armi withdrew part remain peopl destroi armenian massacr and cruelti thrown into well lock hous and burn kill bayonet and sword place select butcher spot belli torn open lung pull and girl and women hang hair subject conceiv abomin act small part peopl spare abomin wors cruelti inquisit resembl live dead and suffer temporari insan dire poverti had live and fright experi had subject includ women and children such person discov not exce thousand hundr erzincan and thirti thousand erzurum field erzincan and erzurum until that peopl had and found destitut situat present time peopl subsist food obtain impel starvat russian storag left occup thi area foreign observ wit event includ russian offic not desert line submit detail report prove genocid ottoman command receiv prison war import that state report massacr not happen chanc plan end war german author weiss austrian colleagu stein and turkish colleagu ahmet vefik visit trabzon kar erzurum and batum april and record cruelti write not show scope armenian activ reveal goal and true natur ottoman state ministri war islam ahalinin ducar olduklari mezalim hakkinda vesaik mustenid malumat istanbul french version document relatif aux atrocit commis par le armenien sur popul musulman istanbul latin script turkozu osmanli sovyet belgeleriyl ermeni mezalimi ankara addit basar ermenilerden gorduklerimiz ankara and edit author ermenil hakkinda makalel derlemel ankara askeri tarih belgeleri vol decemb document number askeri tarih belgeleri vol decemb document number twerdo khlebof report date april quot ermenil vol altinai iki komit iki kital istanbul and kafka yollarinda hatiralar tahassusl istanbul serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	nazi germani armenian consid aryan race and articl bac new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write such letter chronicl that date time thi figment your imagin anoth sourc mitteilungsblatt berlin decemb and anoth histor fact fact that for year deliber forgotten conceal and wipe memori fact armenian nazi collabor magazin call mitteilungsblatt der deutsch armenischen gesselschaft clearest and definit proof thi collabor magazin publish berlin nazi rule germani and continu public end even name magazin impli declar armenian nazi cooper attent get thi magazin issu prove collabor histor import documentari evid heap write that admonit world opinion and mankind nazi germani armenian consid aryan race and polit econom and social right grant occupi posit public servic and partner nazi practic world await not consid aryan and befel serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	greek prime minist show support for serbian crimin headlin origin read articl yugoslav greeceu clarinet clarinew clarinet dejan anastasijev write belgrad yugoslavia upi greek prime minist constantin mitsotaki visit capit serbia montenegro feder tuesdai appar attempt press serbian leader into accept intern plan end war bosnia herzegovina good friend thi countri solv burn problem bosnia herzegovina mitsotaki told report talk for two hour presid slobodan milosev serbia friend not come discuss plan hear serbian point view ad that serbia sincer bring peac region that great attitud for pressur serb accept peac plan that territori forc and terror milosev that serbia and greec had practic ident view bosnian war start late march thi good thing hear wonder serbia not boycott rememb gulf war saddam kill peopl and rape women effort pressur milosev consid main patron serbian territori conquest bosnia secur council threaten impos sanction serbia and montenegro and implement fly zone bosnian ski threaten stage bosnian will lift arm embargo militari intervent that reserv for muslim countri hear thi meet milosev mitsotaki had separ talk radovan karadz leader bosnian serb encourag karadz proce effort achiev peac region readi plai posit role balkan mitsotaki real posit add favor freind karadz that honor meet greek premier greek not side and not tend condemn you bet not side thi war karadz will continu negoti level meet milosev mitsotaki had talk presid dobrica cosic feder yugoslav union serbia and montenegro and patriarch pavl head priest serbian orthodox church convinc that thi not religi war psychopath karadzik consid peacelov muslim perman peac bless patriarch pavl
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah understand can for brad appear kill jess
talk.politics.mideast	brad hernlem principl neverend effort make that not forget moron brad hernlem ask israel rare abid secur council resolut perhap list below answer question incid secur council respons hindu moslem clash india kill gass death kurd iraqi air forc saudi secur forc slaughter pilgrim mecca kill algerian armi demonstr intrafada arab kill arab kill civilian slaughter govern troop hama syria kill palestinian jordanian troop thousand expel sept moslem kill egypt kill egypt bread riot border and rocket attack israel plo alon munich isra athlet slaughter alot children kill plo attack israel coastal bu attack dead wound syria kill palestinian lebanon dead sinc yemen kill two week sudan ten thousand black slave civil war toll million kill million refuge tienenman squar massacr rumania kill pan disast carri northern ireland cambodia soviet occup afghanistan american riot attica watt newark kent state israel destroi iraqi reractor israel condemn isra polic protect isra worship condemn arab mob anti jewish rioter kill syrian soldier slaughter christian soldier surrend appear that brad hernlem and unit nation secur council common unfett demand act principl
talk.politics.mideast	human bosnia encourag that number peopl interest post reciev coupl letter debat statement that event bosnia unpreced histori modern world contest thi statement present figur world war mind that world war and countri had power stop todai matter not power will that lack will second point differ make holocast that that time intern commun didnot muscl prevent unfortun event todai inspit intern commun not stand neutral arm embargo obviou disadvantag weeker side and advantag bulli indirecltli and possibl unintention mankind side killer and thi unpreced histori modern world rizvi
talk.politics.mideast	turkei cypru bosnia serbia greec armenia azeri articl new cso uiuc edu ptg uxa cso uiuc edu pano tamamidi write yeah mutlu argic isn help dai proce and you shouldn turk read mutlu argic stuff kill file likewis fanat noth greek problem fanat met greek wouldn even talk turkish experi friend open greek histori war current situat not pano tamamidi you put turk bear respons thing happen todai that hard for object come conflict countri you cannot blame side bad gui side you anatolia you your not that conflict start that not side aggress and ither suffer sad that not compromis rememb action turkish govern remov visa requir for greek come turkei thought posit attempt make relat greek mention wouldn talk educ peopl never met bad person turkei polit not busi and not busi turk come individu hatr that make that kind brainwash greec educ person treat person nation can you your histori book and thing you learn greek turkish encount your school easi tankut atan tankut iastat edu achtung babi
talk.politics.mideast	peac talk israelin todai ariv report that yesterdai egyptian presid hosni mubarak meet plo chief yasser arafat and promin palestinian faisal husseini that principl palestinian decid particip peac talk nonetheless note that will decid meet arab foreign minist damascu newspap report that threaten phone call recent made hous senior member palestinian deleg peac talk threat arab demand that deleg not washington sell palestinian peopl caller threaten you you will not find your famili aliv your return newspap state that such phone call receiv hous faisal husseini hanan ashrawi and naftali stramer intergraph electron internet nstramer dazixco ingr lookout road suit voic fax boulder qualiti job and job watch that can
talk.politics.mideast	account anti armenian human right violat azerbaijan account anti armenian human right violat azerbaijan prelud current event nagorno karabakh grab papa carri into room and mamma and into anoth put mamma bed and start undress beat leg start tear cloth front mamma don rememb time pass had feel that beat head bodi and tore cloth time don even atroc start savag rape that room argu deposit karin karina grigorevna born secretari typist azsantekmontazh trust sumgait construct and instal administr secretari smu komsomol organ resid build apart microdistrict sumgait azerbaijan sister marina and movi clock show theater that across citi parti committe yard theater show argentinian film abyss film notic peopl stand podium citi parti committe silent convers whatsoev and couldn figur that knew karabagh exactli talk gave speech not didn bought ticket peopl theater thi small number for that larg movi theater film start minut stop film crowd burst peopl stage young peopl year demand that armenian woman come stage us foul languag and that show azerbaijani capabl armenian girl thought that meant had demand girl specif marina and sit togeth told move russian girl sit nearbi that recogn happen and not marina quiet girl jump run door close open end show and return seat theater anoth russian azerbaijani peopl nation react auditorium made sound silent anoth and gradual start leav gui fat scare leav leav slowli pompous that peopl not had smoke bunch anasha had look beastli readi tear apart noth had happen film start cheer film brought pleasur made you happi aliv bare sit end had start and dark marina and walk home lenin street that center town lenin street pack pack young peopl shout karabagh and armenian weren listen feel didn make home not and had happen public transport wasn run incident theater polic policemen stand director movi theater door leav had broken glass door basic glass broken stood grief stricken noth big had happen naughti boi had broken quit accid slingshot sinc look calm decid that noth that super had happen slowli want catch bu live liter stop didn want foot not dark happen flag cab driver didn want told live bu station and bu station and not yard farther into cab and manag incred happen bu station traffic jam public transport standstil and shout bagh not give karabagh home and famili and panic hous mamma end had come come kill that manag cheer ourselv noth that bad happen live kind social order manag calm mamma and bed sleep made noth had happen that saturdai short dai didn anywher and didn call rel life that dai realiz approach exactli couldn guess suppos live had home mamma papa and sister lyuda marina and sister lyuda yerevan time sat home and learn that demonstr had start that morn start smash store sit home and didn girlfriend mine lyuda zimogliad clock work togeth apprenticeship togeth russian girl that aw happen town ask don want armenian that state noth that demonstr aw watch feel war broken public transport stop cab buse nightmar papa decid drugstor mother allergi problem time left hous and neighbor aunt vera ask you stop such terribl thing courtyard aren you afraid papa didn talk simpli push back into entrywai home and told mamma mamma aunt vera talk that mean that didn russian live across had friend clock lyuda time for you late you mamma you don late you can situat town decid stai home dinner readi mamma eat can sat tabl hungri mood put tabl calm ourselv and make that eat turn televis and show fairi tale land come clear tabl hear nois courtyard balconi can nois come direct bu station and stori build mob peopl can figur happen shout can make neighbor azerbaijani friend famili for year place peopl shout and stori build bu station soldier set peopl club mob run direct even peopl build and laugh decid that mean not that bad laugh mean not kill crowd suddenli dash soldier soldier cannot manag start stomp feet kick becom ill and home and explain gener term that horribl thing can speak kill that soldier that crowd each kick onc club and start beat and couldn and left not becom terrifi and home and lyuda don anywher stai place you kill you crowd run closer build and stand stori build and start shout balconi neighbor stand stare mob shout and minut come run build turn stori build azerbaijani neighbor and come entrywai stop run build mamma immedi start close window afraid that throw stone stone and break window peopl larg courtyard and pack peopl spill floor don crush each crawl tree post and garag huge cloud peopl break and burn motorcycl armenian sergei sargisian build close window and immedi hear tramp entrywai come floor tremend din and roar incomprehens mamma told that shout father name grisha open door come kill you that don rememb that space kind mamma into bedroom quickli bedroom two tall bed part dowri mamma hide won come and leav that live alon can imagin that parent will stand hall alon talk sort beast and that stand togeth talk come can find common languag speak azerbaijani and can find want told marina and lyuda hide bed and sister lyuda can rememb told not open door blew and broke and fell into hall crow burst and start shout leav vacat apart and back your armenia thing that happen speak calmli you calmli happen azerbaijani apart leav downstair gather and leav apart realiz that senseless discuss sort right anim stop stand doorwai young gui peopl and girl bad two step back pacifi exchang courtyard shout command don you understand you kill and that that grab papa carri into room and mamma and into anoth put mamma bed and start undress beat leg start tear cloth front mamma don rememb time pass had feel that beat head bodi and tore cloth time don even atroc start savag rape that room argu rememb don dead aliv come tall clean shaven eskimo dogskin coat bald happen that instant stop that command that depend and beat mamma head break chair and beat chair leg lose conscious and decid that dead papa cold want throw lyuda balconi can window open appar window frame stuck rain and window can open leav window think thrown window and pass not real strong person and see that that twitch start opposit humbl and plead start shout curs don entreati that dead humbl and that that sinc tongu long think that quit appeal short command that longer rememb happen marina and lyuda don aliv not drag arm leg hit wall rail metal carri bite pinch don even god will death come sooner carri throw entrywai and start kick lose conscious happen that peopl don rememb come don rememb long neighbor bring cloth cover blood put dress rememb that word and mamma happen mamma hous can make sens gui stand sort serv afghanistan name igor brought indoor entrywai and kill person igor gather courag into arm and brought neighbor even small mind put risk igor agayev azerbaijani serv afghanistan brother older brother serv station border armenia igor brought neighbor and help come sens karina you calm not and come and clean cover blood papa papa mamma and marina igor drag marina and lyuda bed marina lyuda that russian you aren touch russian and drag marina decid azerbaijani igor immedi grab marina and lyuda hand marina and that armenian and sister and take second floor neighbor and start pound door will open open door and igor push surviv sister lyuda lost conscious bandit start steal thing downstair take thing downstair come back lyuda seiz opportun and crawl bed and stai found torn night shirt and put and sort robe and neighbor fourth floor apart had watch crowd friend our and knock door neighbor open and not you apart afraid give you stock and leav build lyuda stai your place and stair for moment moment life neighbor wouldn consent lyuda back place and lai bed mother can rememb supervisor telephon number had rememb and call and didn idea thought simpli afraid didn that kill and that had pass life and death and and polic precinct look troubl walk lung hurt badli hard breath supervisor name urshan feyruzovich mamedov head administr leav great number buse full soldier entranc town buse ordinari passeng buse soldier left eleven eleven peopl stop happen save great live crowd move school and not sumgait not yerevan murder stop peopl di microdistrict and build and build person di and woman di build that build front our young azerbaijani men stop mob and wouldn into build incident neighbor marina call rel warn happen call aunt microdistrict neighbor armenian run quickli can explain hide you can stai aliv hide azerbaijani won give you that moment peopl policemen azerbaijani such aw condit face complet distort lip puf blood ey swollen thought that ey forehead badli cut and half face push forward thought that surviv normal appear back and grasp start scream peopl you come you you haven you kill peopl peopl you soldier don scream muslim not sumgait polic call daghestan that point daghestan polic polic precinct aw lot polic soldier polic dog ambul firemen don wait for peopl bring goner and injur treat polic precinct don for doctor baku examin lyuda and and women matern home don rest and lost contact parent boss boss don worri find you matter you matter happen hospit examin depart head sumgait matern home pashayeva name examin ambul baku figur that sumgait ambul hadn didn respond call peopl call and polic ambul show sign life that doctor look and behavior that good had happen for quit glad even thought god can that noth that bad wrong and you suffer you don your peopl your peopl even wors thing and great deal and felt bad thought don die not hear stuff thi peopl thi condit and told that peopl didn energi peopl possibl smart that haven stai brought anoth woman ira marri and rape apart ira lyuda and morn lyuda and ira didn thi matern home combin block didn examin that didn want shot tranquil noth shot calm didn even want lai ward work that pur pose alon alon even ward pack that even woman and ask wrong that face disfigur ask had happen and your brother happen point ask your brother can explain happen fell into faint doctor threw and doctor categor forbad come into ward peopl work boss daughter brought cloth liter nake thing had dress woman gave short and dress knee and woman orderli can you put such short dress you show your leg back ward think thing peopl work and brought sack appl pound couldn had becom weak that embarrass that couldn appl and didn appetit had bring woman sack and heard that head doctor nurs that medic histori hidden torn complet that that armenian wouldn figur think that kind attack that happen that wors perhap street don case didn sleep wink that night morn pick polic detail put bu and didn even take club troop that ill fate even bu citi parti committe great troop tank armor personnel carrier scene terribl peopl knew and that calm had thought that left six left sumgait that night didn happen parent didn come hospit and boss told that fine didn whether not calm happen club and lot peopl knew knew anoth kiss each and ask happen two dai work time each dai show interest and constantli bring monei thank boss colleagu didn lose presenc mind and didn chang opinion heat moment matter happen constantli interest sincer interest heart two dai secretari parti committe not parti organ trust our part comrad kerimov import figur town made arrang emerg medic personnel sat couldn lie wrong lung hard breath examin time lai doctor thought that that blow don didn diagnos matern home even ask made point insist that trauma section felt aw insid wasn broken rib and rai and that fine emerg medic worker duti club mother marina friend head doctor sumgait children clinic had kind antifev agent world exactli need that moment thought that great difficulti breath couldn air wrong put tight bandag chest and waist overheard peopl that had cut bandag and decid that breast and face had cut wasn cut khimik board hous live long time appear repres agit peopl not talk and drove armenian women shout demand that seidov come respons seidov seidov chairman azerbaijani council minist woman seidov daughter come thing that daughter and deal you agit and seidov come thi dai dai agit come and come thi drove wit peopl gradual start depart for yerevan realiz senseless stai nerv smell small children children club children had liter come matern home club that didn even run water time had pai eat even overcharg turn second dai told that bring food for free children ill stank imagin peopl small movi theater seat for you couldn sit lie imposs even move stench aw even smallest infant ill overnight heard that arriv ill yerevan infant wash bath not mention that adult ill and need care peopl faint and left don cry young peopl men manag togeth women constant state panic that come minut and kill and stab clear that had gather togeth purpos war that burn movi theater and wouldn singl armenian left peopl attic didn heard ly and couldn lai stage had room appar caught two peopl oil ga want burn theater didn condit open ey suspici aren you azerbaijani you you azerbaijani led men and start let back check passport rel cover for each half peopl not document peopl had run home noth pair pant and slipper wear shirt not id sundai polic noth mondai resum had left block didn spare soul not children not pregnant women kill burn hack ax murder melkumian famili knew mother work daughter law school older sister brutal murder two daughter law surviv miracl save ran neighbor wouldn ran build found refug pregnant and had two small children thi continu mondai block troop citi murder peopl overturn automobil and burn entir famili didn even for peopl armenian not heard that lezgin suffer not didn lezgin had injur burn car difficult exactli di and didn difficult identifi corps remain corps dous gasolin and burn hard imagin heard that peopl disappear trace btz plant two peopl includ woman work night shift aunt razmella live microdistrict stop buse baku and sumgait even peopl had visit baku return sumgait and peopl baku home sumgait and student simpli savag murder stop buse driver immedi told deal that hoard brutal mind peopl stop buse drag armenian and kill spot didn heard that put pile burn hard discern corps you can call corps you had figur ash heard that two fellow save two women student ira not mistaken hospit long time that and can figur save brutal rape and beaten and thrown pile corps fellow pull that pile corps put coat into arm and carri citi can imagin manag that heard that engel grigorian appar lot peopl that hospit hospit and sing song armenian and wrote word and that piec paper that lot peopl that song sang hospit lai such bad shape couldn find gui save left apart and call ambul such aw shape that couldn rememb face that knew peopl broke into hous had talk onc receiv blow knock head can rememb thi dai secretari director parti organ marina work school and work night school azi and work dai khimzashchita construct and instal administr secretari komsomol organ administr and met secretari parti and komsomol organ had joint meet even talk and armenia azerbaijani armenia obviou that peopl azerbaijani born armenia polic station polic precinct and procuraci ussr procuraci involv case and iden tifi photograph peopl recogn show peopl apart work case can even recogn prove that process that that held arm and held leg drag apart not even touch stole blanket and ear that peopl heard and kafan secretari parti organ name najaf najaf rzayev start didn recogn crowd knew sinc told listen you you turn and bedroom marina you couldn marina such noisi confus peopl that you couldn make flew head and gradual citi parti committe militari peopl told and wrote told name march secretari trust parti organ part name najaf rzayev mamma despit fact that gave name mean that alibi confirm that crazi not respons for word you aw hid armenian famili time come back and wasn home famili and baku marina total that didn procur case handl procur voronezh fedorov name fedorov told that rzayev case had and name involv rzayev prove alibi not that sinc hit head can for whether not will insult apart and doesn pai for time afraid hundr percent that mat ter name you wrong didn that that wasn face mix mind exactli can crowd didn had ey close time that ey peopl hassl for reason that ey respons beat face thought put ey had ey close and start beat young gui held arm work btz plant and nearbi across road block thi across road btz dormitori that live custodi even prove that kill shurik gambarian clarinet player entrywai build person build kill that man gui come share room gui hold that hold arm and that beat didn come look and into dormitori peopl start make announc town that investig had summon that gui and told caught prove evid beat don that work night shift plant young gui plant and kill armenian come bu station saturdai ten that want thi btz plant night shift late fridai night night sauna togeth and you mean you understand you silent heart think didn anoth that thought import had heard lot had happen kafan that had kill azerbaijani sister mother burn villag and that that gui born kafan that and marina that secretari parti organ armenia particip investig coupl time satisfi summon and ask happen and word record met gui armenian that apart don last name grigorian eduard grigorian sumgait microdistrict sentenc year not time mother russian met kgb baku azerbaijani kgb and show photograph photograph even photograph peopl caught curfew and confus face thi gui white coat red clasp that coat and burn and for needl haystack thi gui grigorian apart light complect that lezgin don can rememb beat rape apart kgb start ask plead for thi thi stuff ey you sister and thought god heaven forbid that brother you satisfi respons great certainti mamma lyuda sick immedi want kill crawl tabl recogn lyuda ly balconi mob threw and ran into bedroom had kind box dish dowri for sister stole apart leav small thing that moment lyuda and start rememb face hear voic two peopl burn apart anoth burn apart kid and place live thi gui temporari hous didn anywher live sumgait that apart neighbor azerbaijani burn apart burn azerbaijani that azerbaijani pick place think that armenian live list resid for part build name that azerbaijani live side wall didn set fire apart don such bad shape that had come halt had ask happen that civil war not civil civil beat open ey and that neighbor stand balconi and watch free horror film civil war and armenian fought world war that fight fought met women build azerbaijani cry karina happen ask don call normal girl can stand and watch happen that wouldn avert that azerbaijani woman front build woman live aw dissip woman you can call woman dissip life lead two armenian famili live part build balconi and happen and start scream and curs entrywai and you come thi entrywai dead bodi not head that entrywai folk that peopl control that didn even don that true knew didn even lift hand that woman couldn care fact that azerbaijani stop beast had smoke place chew notic into apart chew god that lose mind chew kind drug glanc such normal peopl young clean shaven exactli had come sort celebr shout didn talk shout deaf peopl scream and scream yeah kill kill kill armenian didn shout kill shout gurun ermianlari gurun liter mean kill destroi that continu hid captain apart azerbaijani wife tatar sit apart kid yard kid knew lot thi part build floor mamma and couldn find lyuda papa hand thi looter steal thing didn pai attent steal thing appar had ceas kill and switch steal mamma found courag boi mother gold mamma year even look russian fair skin azerbaijani armenia fair skin notic fair side shout smash thing and ask mamma gold gold wardrob import paper black bag mamma doesn wear gold never even wore thing time bought for that ly cheval glass mamma think that gold save threw gold and mamma grab papa breath had close mouth bound hand and put pillow and chair face had shove into mouth suffoc mamma grab and tore that stuff had mouth troubl breath nose fill blood mamma grab and start run floor want open door mamma that accid complet accid that person open door sleep and half awak happen see that bloodi mamma and find happen daughter even burn murder bring corps for that moment lyuda bed that left that call name quietli call couldn bed want and call softli thought shout fact silent talk that shout bed and thought that had lost mind never leav never hell that come eventu had settl stop that mall brought lyuda and igor carri brought lyuda don rememb order happen and mamma listen run shout and run build had calm dead aliv don call girlfriend had basic come mamma listen upstair mattress don long didn burn don women that feel want home not mamma mamma you that for hell aliv forget rest leav spend night mamma upstair and boi son alik stand lookout lie stand come manag run and grab time shout come back come didn time lot mattress apart blanket anoth mamma knit manag grab thing never wore hall father coveral neighbor wife mamma and papa marina condit leav lyuda sat ran and close door and hear that mob place upstair drag build school unfinish build peopl basement unfinish build gradual carri thing calm call boss nois floor bedroom apart and woman live bedroom place second floor asya dallakian woman retir wasn home that time countri marri daughter and grandson armi rare town get retir monei and apart essenti vacant start pound door and broke had two bed that year woman not even live had pot coupl metal bed frame and mattress and televis grandson bought televis start wreck start get sick god will thi end turn light and sat turn peopl weren afraid knew knew not turn light didn didn come knew that captain and close door and sat apart last name kasumov exserviceman retir work fire station plant and stood door comrad captain don worri won harm you you upstair and aren you take thi apart don and women stand yard basement full water women stand yard gui left stole floor and ran upstair women threw had time into basement save properti thing left dirti pillow two thing and rug gui downstair mad and rug put gui and and school ran that direct forgot import point igor pick arm women stand that didn for long time wife that militari man didn want kill spirit dead told that murder uncl shurik entrywai ringlead appar young man girl and furiou woman tell didn carri comb hous and find and famili woman and basement basement full water mob dash basement for corps flashlight waist water water had stand for year and soot and fuel oil climb water walk and walk and pass and di met death basement that can leav problem didn that and told felt wors two time wors lot wors didn want pound flat aw await that didn want live sumgait longer didn want back apart move and start quiver and shake start rememb neighbor sob cheap peopl sat apart and didn time that that help don that oblig help that woman stop that brutal crowd that mean foe man women you you that that apart build not person ly ground and peopl stand balconi didn hear voic you leav alon mamma even told neighbor women that had azerbaijani woman place drop bomb kill even armenian stood for true that neighbor fourth entrywai sick woman stop pogrom azerbaijani custom woman take scarf and throw ground men suppos stop immedi woman fourth entrywai that stomp scarf into ground push side and you want live you disappear into your apart left that trick didn work even neighbor help move told fine calm forget that happen forget told that had happen daughter and that didn effect forget imagin that happen your sister and april yerevan refer sumgait tragedi pogrom armenian soviet azerbaijan volum eyewit account edit samuel shahmuradian forward yelena bonner publish aristid caratza page david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl huba cjo new cso uiuc edu eshneken cso uiuc edu edward shnekendorf write amehdi src honeywel hossien amehdi write you isra gener dynam fly high sky and bomb hell villag lebanon civilian includ babi and elderi get kill that plain murder you arab wouldn posit guerilla base refuge camp artilleri batteri atop apart build and munit dump hospit civilian wouldn kill kinda saddam hussein put civilian militari bunker you arab sinc you repli articl you assum that arab not arab you brain full shit you you bombard civilian and civilian area lebanon israel consist polici intimid that polici that practic call democraci middl east merlei point that side suffer not arab lebanes you bet defend homeland invad mean
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah amehdi src honeywel hossien amehdi write articl huba cjo new cso uiuc edu eshneken cso uiuc edu edward shnekendorf write amehdi src honeywel hossien amehdi write you isra gener dynam fly high sky and bomb hell villag lebanon civilian includ babi and elderi get kill that plain murder you arab wouldn posit guerilla base refuge camp artilleri batteri atop apart build and munit dump hospit civilian wouldn kill kinda saddam hussein put civilian militari bunker you arab sinc you repli articl you assum that arab not arab you brain full shit you you bombard civilian and civilian area lebanon israel consist polici intimid that polici that practic call democraci middl east hell you isra polici you fiat into mind isra gener thi polici intimid publish for your inform action arab specif plo not uncommon lebanon campaign brain full shit don into mind and make isra polici for merlei point that side suffer not arab lebanes you bet defend homeland invad mean yeah yeah yeah suffer bad that civilian kill will blame arab leader put posit danger will blame isra palestinian send children into warzon throw rock arm isra soldier irrespons parent golda meir peac will come arab start love children hate jew
talk.politics.mideast	lawsuit adl yigal busi rtw jewish group su for pass offici inform adrian croft san francisco april reuter nineteen peopl includ son isra defenc minist mosh aren su anti defam leagu adl wednesdai accus jewish group disclos confidenti offici inform richard hirschhaut director san francisco branch adl art dealer roi bullock and policeman tom gerard name defend suit file san francisco counti superior court accus adl nai rith group dedic fight anti semit and defend secretli gather inform includ data state and feder agenc suit alleg disclos inform includ govern israel and south africa alleg massiv spy oper action class action suit file behalf anti apartheid activist oppon isra polici plaintiff adl bullock and gerard gather inform repres adl san francisco not immedi for comment wednesdai civil suit legal action aris alleg that gerard inspector san francisco polic intellig unit pass confidenti polic file california polit activist spy ring fbi and san francisco polic investig adl bullock and gerard affair and last week search adl offic san francisco and lo angel suit alleg invas privaci civil code california prohibit public inform obtain offici sourc seek exemplari damag per person unspecifi damag lawyer pete mccloskei congresmen repres plaintiff plaintiff includ arab american and jew and wife helen had inform gather plaintiff yigal aren research scientist univers southern california son isra defenc minist aren told san francisco examin had file adl critic treatment palestinian and posit isra occupi territori court document releas last week bullock and gerard inform thousand california polit activist document polic investig believ adl paid bullock for year provid inform and that leagu and bullock receiv confidenti inform author crimin charg file case adl bullock and gerard deni wrongdo reuter apn adl lawsuit copyright associ press right reserv catalina ortiz associ press writer san francisco arab american and critic israel su anti defam leagu wednesdai invad privaci illeg gather inform nationwid spy network adl nation group dedic fight anti semit intend us data discredit polit view class action lawsuit file san francisco superior court guilti racism nazism anti semit hate crime ism that adl claim protect violent crimin carol shaieb educ consult develop program arab cultur plaintiff includ yigal aren son israel defens minist mosh aren younger aren research scientist univers southern california adl file critic israel treatment palestinian adl believ that arab american speak polit israel closet anti semit aren adl deni wrongdo couldn comment lawsuit hasn review spokesman adl york headquart fbi and local polic and prosecutor investig alleg that adl spi thousand individu and hundr group includ white supremacist and anti semit organ arab american greenpeac nation associ for advanc color peopl and san francisco public televis station kqed inform allegedli confidenti polic and govern record court document file probe and civil lawsuit charg file crimin investig lawsuit accus adl violat california privaci law forbid intent disclosur person inform not public state feder record lawsuit claim adl disclos inform person and entiti had compel receiv didn elabor defend includ richard hirschhaut director adl offic san francisco not immedi return phone call seek comment defend san francisco art dealer roi bullock alleg adl inform past decad and polic offic tom gerard gerard allegedli tap into law enforc and govern comput and pass inform bullock gerard retir polic forc move philippin bullock lawyer richard breakston not comment lawsuit had not studi upw adl su for allegedli spy resid san francisco upi group california resid file suit wednesdai charg anti defam leagu nai brith violat privaci spy for isra and south african govern class action suit file san francisco superior court charg adl and leadership conspir local polic offici obtain inform outspoken oppon isra polici occupi territori and south africa apartheid polici adl refus comment suit suit aim two top local adl offici and retir san francicso polic offic tom gerard claim violat privaci guarante state constitut and violat state confidenti law suit gerard help adl obtain access confidenti file law enforc and govern comput inform file pass foreign govern suit charg concept organ collect inform base polit viewpoint and govern agenc sourc inform absolut repugn rep pete mccloskei repres plaintiff adl inform gather network reveal publicli last week san francisco district attornei offic releas document indic group had spi peopl and polit and ethnic group for year understand that adl activ that sens oppos israel isra action part responsbl investig aren research scientist univers southern california adl believ that arab american speak polit israel closet anti semit fbi and district attornei offic investig oper for month plaintiff case includ aren son isra defens minist mosh aren press releas plaintiff alleg spy had damag psycholog and econom and accus adl interfer freedom speech
talk.politics.mideast	water brain isra expans lust guess hasan final reveal sourc claim that israel divert water lebanon imagin alan stein astein israel nysernet org
talk.politics.mideast	rule engag isra murder march apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu hasan mcrcim mcgill edu wrote articl apr frej teknikum flax frej teknikum jona flygar write articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu hasan mcrcim mcgill edu write articl flax apr frej teknikum flax frej teknikum jona flygar write statement doesnot that exist isra citizen revok life isra occup revok life for citizen basic revok for militari men occup undeclar war war attack militari target fulli legitim you your word militari wrt israel uniform not duti duti soldier not that sinc compulsori regard isra legit target that definit uniform not doesnot make differ person armi duti duti doesnot matter armi man duti vacat week soldier not meant militari men thi clear bear can you propos rule engag israel and palestinean resist feel revis thi preliminari draft isra militari personnel fair game time uniform duti practic sinc male femal isra militari ag duti militari young children accept target sinc exist israel constitut indic hostil intent provoc requir avoid inpermiss violat right combat palestinean isra forc not engag palestinean posit identif militari personnel clear indic aggress intent and clear field fire posit identif assur check for palestinean militari uniform posess exclus militari armament mbt mig aircraft identif verbal documentari note that dual us militari civilian weaponri such hand grenad rifl and rpg launcher not constitut posit militari identif and requir closer inspect such document check aggress intent distinct hostil intent normal condit assur not round incom fire separ interv not ten second round note that singl burst automat weapon fire cound round vollei rocket fire sourc note dual us weaponri not assum origin militari personnel and not justifi arm respons clear field fire can guarante make posit militari identif personnel target area weapon us note that aggress intent not proven for target iaf aircraft attack sam crew not check paper each crew member long civilian for instanc posess uniqu civilian weaponri such stone ax and molotov coctail sinc difficult for iaf element land and make check ground forc screen prospect strike area agm fire for acm purpos cockpit cockpit pass meter suffici for thi purpos repeat session speak for note network address dc witsend tnet author and tmail do mail new shell
talk.politics.mideast	isra expans lust articl spam math adelaid edu jaskew spam math adelaid edu joseph askew write articl apr da harvard edu adam endor adam shostack write articl apr bnr zbib bnr write imho not matter start individu battl arab isreal war context real question start war doubt creation israel arab land huh war start armi invad israel vow drive jew into sea jew want live peac and arab stai israel grant citizenship depend you defin war actual fight larg predat arab invas deir yassin happen midapril arab invas col lorch that hagana forc fight arab invad month for jew want live peac that arguabl easi show that labour parti leadership had such intent for arab stai don you mean not expel even stai not grant citizenship expel fight had stop joseph askew you defin war seig and constant attack villiag count act war that jew januari arab liber armi attack kfar szold men attack kfar etzion mile south jerusalem cut suppli line attack yehiam western galile and kibbutz tirat tzvi mid march jewish settlement negev had cut land link rest jewish popul etzion group villiag hebron had cut member convoi suppli yehiam slaughter cut villiag jerusalem seig cut suppli rout tel aviv bomb suppli truck left side that road thi dai memoriam thi time jew had kill thi isn war sinc arab attack last week fatah launch katyusha rocket northern israel upris end and war begin will intifadah plo bring tank joseph askew gauch and proud autumn still pleiad jaskew spam math adelaid edu remot thorni desert fell grief disclaim sue care north tent sky end somwher brenda pale river murmur amir
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl apr src honeywel amehdi src honeywel hossien amehdi articl huba cjo new cso uiuc edu eshneken cso uiuc edu edward shnekendorf write amehdi src honeywel hossien amehdi write you isra gener dynam fly high sky and bomb hell villag lebanon civilian includ babi and elderi get kill that plain murder you arab wouldn posit guerilla base refuge camp artilleri batteri atop apart build and munit dump hospit civilian wouldn kill kinda saddam hussein put civilian militari bunker you arab sinc you repli articl you assum that arab not arab you brain full shit you you bombard civilian and civilian area lebanon israel consist polici intimid that polici that practic call democraci middl east merlei point that side suffer not arab lebanes you bet defend homeland invad mean you fight syrian lebanon not your brother and you that you invit avi
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl apr ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem write lebanes resist forc deton bomb isra occup patrol lebanes territori two dai ago soldier kill and two wound retali isra and isra back forc wound civilian bombard lebanes villag iron isra govern justifi occup lebanon claim that prevent such bombard isra villag congratul brave men lebanes resist isra son that you place grave you underlin moral bankruptci israel occup and draw attent isra govern polici reckless disregard for civilian life brad hernlem hernlem chess ncsu edu ahhh isra moral pale face charm event string plo run skyjack mid rememb twa joke and not forget achil lauro and airlin bomb commit not mention bomb street israel point children told not bag contain origin don bomb last week katyusha rocket attack northern israel fatah wonder mainstream moder israel attempt negoti not forget fact that palestinian kill palestinian isra ahh charm humanitarian death squad videotap interrog dsee documentari deadli current neutral and balanc inquisit esqu essenti prove loyalti whichev group that interog had turn face death fun fill wai that death squad love beat dismember acid pour melt plastic face guilti parti and behead favorit you catch photo washington post back execut collabor photo palestinian lead anoth gunpoint collabor knee gun point templ execution stand corps collabor shout thi happen collabor wonder justic system and lot regard for human right rememb black septemb jordan big deal rambl you get amir
talk.politics.mideast	freeman bash free man propaganda machin freemanwith blood israel pgf cunixb columbia edu peter garfiel freeman write peter thi your succinct post date sinc you noth you noth brilliant you thi marc peopl narrow mind can crack door ey opinion employ opinion
talk.politics.mideast	deriv pleasur death brad hernlem write congratul brave men lebanes resist isra son that you place grave you underlin moral bankruptci israel occup and draw attent isra govern polici reckless disregard for civilian life brad hernlem hernlem chess ncsu edu mark ira kaufman respond your delight death human be you that mark you million american cheer slaughter iraqi civilian forc your comment appli not applaud kill human includ prison sentenc death illustri justic depart peac marc peopl narrow mind can crack door ey opinion employ opinion
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah stssdxb unoc dorin baru write even extemist side jewish isra post disagre not openli back plain murder you lebanes resist you talk bunch lebanes farmer deton bomb work organ entiti not lebanes train mercenari not curiou guess you back kill hundr marin beirut kind resist movement kill jewish attlet munich you like didn you you post garbag you consist dorin dorin not forget that soldier kill not murder distinct not trivial murder happen innoc peopl not peopl line work kill kill happen that soldier line duti kill opposit and resist terror athlet munich victim terrorist call freedom fighter death cannot compar soldier kill resist fighter don forget that french resist nazi occupi forc eventu succeed drive hostil occupi wwii diplomaci not work israel and lebanes peopl tire occupi turn option viabl don forget that work drive marc peopl narrow mind can crack door ey opinion employ opinion
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem write thought that make clear case you not familiar past post thi subject not condon attack civilian hezbollah and lebanes resist fighter skill precis bomb sla and isra target find such method restrain and respons isra method shell and bomb villag hope that hezbollah member will kill civilian murder not kill combat murder soldier train die for countri idf soldier duti dai men not di govern had isra soil isra civilian your opinion not condon bomb villag kind villag you claim villag civilian and ira claim camp fill terrorist you claim that isra shell villag hope find terrorist kill fine not bad civilian die not wrote saddam hussein had problem civilian disgust manner and claim civilian murder you isn slight chanc that you not and question gener insult similar type propaganda respect civilian southern lebanon lot peopl post isra soil kind mediteranean sea you defin isra soil you you not recogn state israel you condon kill isra anywher dorin you awar that idf helicopt and gun boat coast lebanon dai and rocket palestinian refuge north beirut perhap you qualifi person for murder not pupos action you describ kill civilian doubt not condon civilian kill not condon that palestinian that children and grow terrorist that femal and give birth terrorist brad hernlem hernlem chess ncsu edu hernlem you not show huge satisfact for isra human be standard don your standard kill you question will problem answer not question you qualifi candid for murder noth justifi murder feel that you make similar statement elimin isra jew wrong you condon saddam scud isra soldier tel aviv understand lot palestinean cheer show not qualifi for freedom fight wrong and jewish control media distort inform and ignor victim media dorin
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl ifh new cso uiuc edu eshneken cso uiuc edu edward shnekendorf write hell you isra polici you fiat into mind isra gener thi polici intimid publish for your inform action arab specif plo not uncommon lebanon campaign brain full shit don into mind and make isra polici for delet not busi read mind thi case not isra top leader past and present come across arrog tough talk intimid arab isra and arab not achiev peac almost year fight two major reason arab govern not repres peopl leader stupid and not independ and dictat isra govern arrog and compris
talk.politics.mideast	heil hernlem articl apr ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem write lebanes resist forc deton bomb isra occup patrol lebanes territori two dai ago soldier kill and two wound retali isra and isra back forc wound civilian bombard lebanes villag iron isra govern justifi occup lebanon claim that prevent such bombard isra villag congratul brave men lebanes resist isra son that you place grave you underlin moral bankruptci israel occup and draw attent isra govern polici reckless disregard for civilian life brad hernlem hernlem chess ncsu edu nice peopl murder and bradli overjoi hear death middl east jewish arab death feel sad and hope that thi stop appar view point not accept peopl you bradli hernlem you disgust harri
talk.politics.mideast	turkei cypru bosnia serbia greec armenia azeri articl apr iastat edu tankut iastat edu sabri atan pano tamamidi you put turk bear respons thing happen todai that hard for object come conflict countri you cannot blame side bad gui side you anatolia you your coupl million greek live asia minor had protect not not that conflict start that not side aggress and ither suffer sad that not compromis rememb action turkish govern remov visa requir for greek come turkei thought posit attempt make relat compromis invas cypru invol turkei greek polit refus turkei accept mile territori water state intern law properti greek konstantinopl ownership island greek lake aegean thing can not compromis greek mention wouldn talk educ peopl never met bad person turkei polit not busi and not busi turk come individu hatr person support polici turkish gover directli indirecli bad person not your nation that make you bad your support action your gover that make you bad peopl not hate you you you you support polici turkish gover and such you pai price that make that kind brainwash greec educ person treat person nation can you your histori book and thing you learn greek turkish encount your school easi tankut atan tankut iastat edu achtung babi you not brainwash turn peopl turk talk greek arab slav kurd and peopl had luck turkish occup will talk you murder rape distruct you not learn turk histori book you learn peopl experienc hand turkish friendli napoleon
talk.politics.mideast	reason hezbollah hossien amehdi write not busi read mind thi case not isra top leader past and present come across arrog tough talk intimid arab isra and arab not achiev peac almost year fight two major reason arab govern not repres peopl leader stupid and not independ and dictat isra govern arrog and compris not relev whether agre you not reason thought you your point make remark you forgot hate and thi not govern level not arab govern taugh talk and arrog adult aren you listen tough talk american politician switch channel intimid dummi talk tough bomb readi blow seat dorin
talk.politics.mideast	freeman bash free man propaganda machin freemanwith blood israel marc afifi mafifi ei calstat edu wrote pgf cunixb columbia edu peter garfiel freeman write peter thi your succinct post date sinc you noth you noth brilliant you thi marc peopl narrow mind can crack door ey opinion employ opinion open letter marc afifi dear marc that you wrong freeman written style that rais level post thi board you don that reflect you and your abil post substanc and and defend posit thi gener for peopl thi board realiz that don agre substanc post respond substanc lack post attack author post resort attack poster written can that that person not abil make coher argument post peac danni
talk.politics.mideast	mossad uncheck girl faint mass egypt apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu hasan mcrcim mcgill edu write articl eldar sfu eldar fraser sfu danni eldar write heard radio cknw vancouv girl faint mass egypt movement start nothern egypt and spread throught egypt that mossad obviou involv wtc bomb reestablish reput make egyptian schhol girl bezerk hassan will share light thi happi annouc tii second posit identifiact congragul danni hasan born quebec and work montreal feel defend reput mcgill univers fine credit institut higher learn can assum that graduat student left termin line and janitor get access reb
talk.politics.mideast	isra soldier kill child not involv thi never end talk man hot thi bullshit articl apr bernina ethz nadeem igp ethz write hakim abu ahm cleveland freenet edu wrote repli brown edu messag zbib bnr sam zbib write steel hal gnu mit edu nick steel write occupi isra soldier terrorist kill year nativ child two fasten arm shoot face and write fals report make stupid and idiot joke solid will not bring not mention peac agreement ten joke arab palestinian not post usenet not thi newsgroup sinc don will achiev target make part furiou and thi not target thi your target that tell lot you can nick steel provid document for thi alleg incid you talk realist harri you kid thi not singl incid thi becom daili life practic gazza you mean kill children arm soldier yeah sometim coward put children and wive front line enemi cannot case you thing save your life shoot and parent want children aliv that throw stone molotov botll come kill solid children hous you object number occupi isra soldier terrorist dictionari word terror us threat violenc and violenc esp for polit purpos sound your gui caan assur you that wors that yeah guess you and you exampl children kill thi month ramadhan two militari vehicul similar incid vehicul feb ramadhan thee militari truck purpos hit passeng you that purpos person didn hear thi case don deni can person can purpos car victim year girl safa sail bisharat and saamud riyad week babygirl oldd raajij rouhi yeah truck driver look car zionist equip detect palestinian children and thought hei year and week girl car won make accid and kill enemi maximum will die crash care hakim can rememb correctli not report and even camera time isra invas lebanon itifada began that cnn caught regular uniform isra soldier break arm arab youngster profession and brutal manner give full detail can rememb thi year ago intifada fact that you can rememb time proov you care not that solid correct will not agre that break arm that film and unlik usa broadcast not long ago talk show and end arm broken gui and walk and us arm good gui interview and terrorist refus order and spit face ammount truth exist thi statement cannot you wasn gui prison make you good occass such scene transmit west and usa caus uproar and factor that significantli chang precept isra armi role mid east didn isra armi import armi midll east human armi armi can human american will claim opposit can rememb cnn broadcast american solid beat somalian boi cruel won thi that american armi cruel proof for you obviou that systemat polici isra occur massiv scale scene kind proof obviou you scene you nadeem want show garbadg can know and live life place talk livian segal cm jhsegal weizmann weizmann unix jhsegal wiscon weizmann
talk.politics.mideast	turkei cypru bosnia serbia greec armenia azeri finaid auvm american edu write tamamidi repl your claim suggest you kind individu make point about human right discrimin and unequ treatment turkish minor greec want world bad you treat peopl you will deni not make difrenc will write thing that ey you prove prejudic free insur school etc you greek give thing turkish minor right your word even discrimin peopl you that you give big favor peopl give thing that realiti noth not thing favor simpli state that not treat second class citizen that point fail word show discrimin and you mean that not noth for exampl helth insur food and tuition noth you not unhuman practic that conduct govern greec suggest that you investig fact can discuss basic human right fredom religion fredom press turkish minor ethnic cleans turk greec fredom properti govern intervent fredom vote choos your commun leader greek govern encourag peopl destroi religi place hous farm school for turkish minor forc turkei cannot logic order argument conclud write point greek treat turkei not greek minor part societi part exactli thi peopl cannot even sell properti want leav turkei patriarch not permis renov build for decad need special agreement two gover for thi talk part societi size greek commun reduc peopl and priest differ peopl turkei yeah you bet big busi belong greek turkei and proud unlik greec destroi turkish minor encourag minor turkei part turkish societi you realiti aykut atalai atakan pano tamamidi
talk.politics.mideast	turkish govern agent usenet lie teeth revis histori zuma post turkish govern agent guis sera zuma serdar argic lie respons articl apr urartu sdpa org hla urartu sdpa org and scribe orhan gunduz blown gunduz receiv ultimatum honorari posit will execut refus respons claim jcag and sdpa cambridg massachusett orhan gunduz turkish honorari consul boston not bow armenian terrorist ultimatum that give titl honorari consul attack and murder cold blood presid reagan order manhunt avail ey wit gave descript murder shot surviv fall silent revolt triumph senseless mindless histori armenian terror such murder bring absolut noth ego boost for murder armenian terrorist underworld wallow satisfact you involv murder sarik ariyak decemb sydnei two nazi armenian massacr sarik ariyak and bodyguard engin sever jcag and sdpa claim respons turkish government agent prove that sdpa even exist ahead provid newspap account assassin and show letter sdpa turkish govern good excis text refer good thai ad text verifi newspap account turkish govern can support anti armenian claim typifi scribe garbag that govern continu make fals and libel charg for recours left made fool attempt systemat campaign deni and cover turkish genocid armenian dog bark move bu bark jump yell bu stop point walk such will thi post turkish agent level ridicul charg and brought answer silent dog bu stop turkish govern feel can funnel heighten state ultra nation exist turkei todai usenet and convinc peopl revisionist myopic and incident view and place world result inabl address armenian and greek refut turkei write histori refer terrorist and wors claim part record respons for murder peopl pack rage fool blind anti armenian fascism bad social polici republ turkei requir find turk human such will downfal david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
talk.politics.mideast	turkei cypru bosnia serbia greec armenia azeri articl jhj new cso uiuc edu ptg uxa cso uiuc edu pano tamamidi write stuff delet not that conflict start that not side aggress and ither suffer sad that not compromis rememb action turkish govern remov visa requir for greek come turkei thought posit attempt make relat thought smart move receiv monei greek tourist bet that thi week tourist greec turkei each will leav and figur thi mean your economi you had visa requir greek bother visit turkei smart you true greek visit happi turkish merchant happi harm not smart move good move for add happi greek per week and turkish merchant interact simpl move paperwork arena lotsa happi peopl nation and observ cheer stuff delet
talk.politics.mideast	isra soldier kill child articl qhv bagel huji ranen falafel huji ranen goren write nick steel twist truth and god ranen absolut not true lot livian segal cm jhsegal weizmann weizmann unix jhsegal wiscon weizmann
talk.politics.mideast	campaign iran pb frontlin number articl pb frontlin program iranian bomb thi and relat subject curiou real reason thi and relat public relat campaign iran recent month includ attempt implic iran bomb york trade center despit great effort thi direct not succeed thi indirectli creat impress that iran rise fundamentalist islam movement and indirectli implic thi matter public statement secretari state christoff and offici sourc iran terrorist and outlaw state and final recent broadcast frontlin program suspect that thi campaign iran will continu and perhap intensifi thi increas pressur iran number factor thi includ rise islam movement north africa and radic hama movement isra occupi territori thi movement basic anti western and not necessarili fuel iran for acceler pace thi movement gulf war sought return coloni shiek and amir throne name democraci and freedom obviou support algerian militari coup democrat elect algerian islam front expos democraci myth thi daili broadcast new slaughter bosnian moslem futur implic thi movement saudi arabia and client state and endanger cheap oil sourc thi region creat enemi excus for huge defens expenditur thi becom demis soveit union recent campaign iran direct israel washington fundament conflict interest iran and and opinion interest countri affect reestablish normal and friendli relat thi moder effect rise radic movement islam world and iran jamshid
talk.politics.mideast	isra expans lust previou articl hasan mcrcim mcgill edu hasan alhafez war karama and start arab war start arab war instig arab continu murder isra children rocket attack israel stop thi last heck you talk karama war steve internet freenet carleton fidonet mossad qube ocunix opinion not associ includ head
talk.politics.mideast	isra expans lust previou articl zbib bnr sam zbib imho not matter start individu battl arab isreal war context real question start war doubt creation israel arab land hell you call arab land jew live for long time jew didn start arriv live for thousand year for period expel return home steve internet freenet carleton fidonet mossad qube ocunix opinion not associ includ head
talk.politics.mideast	dir yassin free man propaganda machin freeman blood israel articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu hasan mcrcim mcgill edu write check menahem begin dairi publish book you find account massacr includ deir yassen number massacr men children and women greatli minim per request hasan revolt menachem begin dell publish apart militari aspect moral aspect stori dir yassin that villag name public world side suffer heavi casualti had kill and forti wound number casualti forti percent total number attack arab troop suffer casualti nerali time heavi fight sever hostil propaganda dissemin world deliber fact that civilian popul dir yassin warn battl began tender carri loud speaker station entranc villag and exhort arab women children and ag leav hous and shelter slope hill give thi human warn fighter threw element complet surpris and increas risk ensu battl substanti number inhabit obei warn and unhurt not leav stone hous perhap confus fire enemi murder number casualti bear eloqu testimoni men compel fight for hous overcom enemi us larg number hand grenad and civilian had disregard warn suffer inevit casualti educ gave soldier year revolt base observ tradit law war never broke enemi and forc accord accept custom war appli repris convinc that offic and men wish avoid singl unnecessari casualti dir yassin battl throw stone denunci conqueror dir yassin not don cloak hypocrisi connect captur dir yassin jewish agenc found send letter apolog abdullah ben gurion moment great polit emot call wise ruler seek good peopl and thi countri wise ruler mercenari forc demolish gush etzion and flung bodi heroic defend bird prei repli feudal supercili reject apolog and repli that jew blame and that not exist dissid arab world and world larg wave ly propaganda loos jewish attroc enemi propaganda design besmirch name result help panic overwhelm arab eretz israel kolonia villag had previous repuls attack haganah evacu overnight and fell fight beit iksa evacu two place overlook main road and fall togeth captur kastel haganah made open road jerusalem rest countri arab began flee terror even clash jewish forc not happen dir yassin invent dir yassin help carv decis victori battlefield legend dir yassin help save tiberia and conquest haifa footnot revolt counteract loss dir yassin villag strateg import arab headquart ramallah broadcast crude atroc stori alleg massacr irgun troop women and children villag jewish offici fear irgun men polit rival seiz thi arab gruel propaganda smear irgun emin rabbi induc reprimand irgun had time sift truth evil good thi arab propaganda spread legend terror arab and arab troop seiz panic mention irgun soldier legend worth half dozen battalion forc israel dir yassin massacr lie propag jew hater world refer denunci dir yassin fellow jew
talk.politics.mideast	isra press mad thi post earmark form program user type nation ethnic and fill place stori thi true condemn fabric poster horribl moral and despis tpm valu truth jess
talk.politics.mideast	center for anit israel propaganda center for polici research write isra press hadashot march isra polic depart announc even fridai march that call jewish isra citizen gun permit carri time contribut secur and that surround murder innoc isra hand arab death merchant noth wrong advic aretz march yehoshua matza likud chair knesset interior committe state that intend demand that polic depart make clear public that wound kill jewish terrorist will not put trial usual bia center for polici research echo thi newsgroup enrag likudnik vent spleen and you portrai thi becom polici you don respons matza suggest not mention whether refer terrorist caught act clear cut case defenc you care elabor thi thi you want matter don you give thi center for polici research crap and post your bias legitim pompou name aretz march todai privat secur firm and unit idf southern command will begin instal magnet gate gaza strip addit stage upgrad secur measur strip gate will aid search jewish gaza resid leav for work israel can us reveal presenc knive ax weapon and sharp object addit gate will oper privat civilian compani larg quantiti magnet card read devic brought inspect point facilit read magnet card jewish worker carri laudabl precaut singl thing you post israel post portrai israel neg you can deliber omiss integr part shtick and not incid that you not mention even stori you post fraught omiss chang entir mean absurd your respect name cannot hide your bia your effort portrai israel unfavor light you accomplish noth prove that respect sound label center for polici research noth smoke screen for heavili bias attitud israel and vent you thi center for polici research stuff nonsens
talk.politics.mideast	isra press mad articl murdoch acc virginia edu jar faradai cla virginia edu virginia gentleman write thi post earmark form program user type nation ethnic and fill place stori thi true condemn fabric poster horribl moral and despis tpm valu truth jess agre harri
talk.politics.mideast	armenia shoot turkish plane articl apr urartu sdpa org dbd urartu sdpa org david davidian write armenia shoot turkish plane ermenistan kasiniyor translat for public traslat servic get into armenia get itchi esin
talk.politics.mideast	center for anti israel propaganda center for polici research write isra press hadashot march isra polic depart announc even fridai march that call jewish isra citizen gun permit carri time contribut secur and that surround murder innoc isra hand arab death merchant noth wrong advic aretz march yehoshua matza likud chair knesset interior committe state that intend demand that polic depart make clear public that wound kill jewish terrorist will not put trial usual bia center for polici research echo thi newsgroup enrag likudnik vent spleen and you portrai thi becom polici you don respons matza suggest not mention whether refer terrorist caught act clear cut case defenc you care elabor thi thi you want matter don you give thi center for polici research crap and post your bias legitim pompou name aretz march todai privat secur firm and unit idf southern command will begin instal magnet gate gaza strip addit stage upgrad secur measur strip gate will aid search jewish gaza resid leav for work israel can us reveal presenc knive ax weapon and sharp object addit gate will oper privat civilian compani larg quantiti magnet card read devic brought inspect point facilit read magnet card jewish worker carri laudabl precaut singl thing you post israel post portrai israel neg you can deliber omiss integr part shtick and not incid that you not mention even stori you post fraught omiss chang entir mean absurd your respect name cannot hide your bia your effort portrai israel unfavor light you accomplish noth prove that respect sound label center for polici research noth smoke screen for heavili bias attitud israel and vent thi center for polici research stuff nonsens
talk.politics.mideast	public servic translat articl apr urartu sdpa org dbd urartu sdpa org david davidian write articl hydra gatech edu prism gatech edu kaan timucin wrote kaan hell thi gui david davidian talk your alter ego kaan david you shut not you come and will work for secret turkish servic you never kaan don your attitut you full li and shit unit state refer freedom speech you don call you full shit even kaan didn you hear don mess turc you you you submit bodili harm you kill you tortur you don worri turk not turn terrorist action armenian you can that you will not kill not tortur part timucin sound tough gui watch kaan hell wrong kaan timucin translat line turkish into english embarrass turkish shouldn written place don kill messeng you translat you consist you select translat thing serv your ugli purpos peopl pisssssssss offfffff ottoman time messeng kill cut head and send back countri ottoman empir longer exist darn esin david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
talk.politics.mideast	isra soldier kill child previou articl steel hal gnu mit edu nick steel occupi isra soldier terrorist kill year nativ child two fasten arm shoot face and write fals report thi newsgroup for intellig discuss want you smarten and stop thi bullshit post fuck face and thi net steve internet freenet carleton fidonet mossad qube ocunix opinion not associ includ head
talk.politics.mideast	public servic translat david post good translat post suat kinikliouglu origin post elid vatan sevgisi ruhlari kirden kurtaran kuvvetli ruzgardir translat public servic translat elid love fatherland strongest wind cleans filth soul thi part translat question origin quot plain silli you made sound come neo nazi youth for exampl turk talk motherland not german fatherland filth dirt indeterminaci translat problem fudg care equal valid translat love countri strongest wind cleans soul point nevertheless you translat willard van orman quin word and object mit press cambridg mass
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl apr ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem write articl bcf new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write assum come brad anywher thi discuss doesn bring element never address comment made comment wrong that civilian us cover and that isra and guerilla will injur parti continu fight pardon tim not can for idf fail detect presenc respons for plant bomb kill idf troop and exact number and whereabout villag shell idf possibl that guerrilla each target villag you arbitrari act retali will repeat statement not condon indiscrimin isra act villag not guerilla you state earlier you expect isra difficult identifi thi guerilla prefer lose gener popul dress act etc host arab state noth and stop attack side border israel problem tim that origin reason for invas palestinian attack israel not lebanes attack agre lebanon unwil unabl stop attack territori israel simpli sit quietli and accept situat israel ask lebanes govern and control thi parti state lebanes territori and attack occur point israel state stop such attack never major armament allow peopl wage civil war remov weapon need cross border attack remain extent rocket attack continu and commando raid requir easili conceal weapon and refin disregard for human life that such attack continu afraid that you true that not justifi occupi your neighbor land israel resolv disput nativ palestinian peac such attack respons state not parti us territori for attack neighbor state angola had power and south africa refus couldn stop anti angolan guerilla base soil attack angola and south africa refus troop station territori and angola angola justifi enter not you that angola had accept situat noth and absorb attack bat guano situat you call for exist and attack commonplac not true lebanes not attack israel strong lebanes govern free syrian and isra interfer that border adequ patrol palestinian heavi weapon siez past year and not signific threat onc exist refer time palestinian attack israel lebanes soil not lebanes attack israel hope that lebanes govern will strong patrol border reason will stronger chang that plo larg driven lebanon not lebanes not syria and that import make easier control futur palestinian attack lebanes soil that chang brought isra action plo never eject lebanes arab state action tim don fall into trap treat lebanes and palestinian part group arab muslim time peopl support bomb palestinian camp retali for idf death hand lebanes resist shell lebanes villag retali for palestinian attack fulli recogn that lebanes not want us side and and continu fundament issu that state cannot control border and make real effort expect for hopefulli that will cowardic bosnia weak tim
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem write tim guerilla wrong assum that civilian for cover not kill soldier countri us civilian for cover you attack soldier your countri attack claim that aren lebanes not countri hmm thi confus you perhap repeat your rule explain exactli permiss us civilian shield explain condit permiss for soldier defend explain rule that make for terrorist launch missil lebanon isra civilian not for isra defend missil alan stein astein israel nysernet org
talk.politics.mideast	isra press mad articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write center for polici research cpr subject isra press mad written apr cpr igc apc org igc mideast forum isra press mad isra press paper zman tel aviv tel aviv time fridai local tel aviv paper affili maariv date februari journalist gui ehrlich subject interview soldier serv duvdevan cherri unit disguis arab and oper occupi territori excerpt articl lot written unit disguis arab thing good and bad falsehood import problem unit dealt that serv cherri time anoth insan gee thi mental health branch isra armi medic corp you davidson man thi will call danni full name editor serv cherri discharg armi work deliveri boi pal will call dudu serv cherri and depart for round world tour averag isra youngster freshli discharg conscript servic soul can notic complet not easi for come disclosur happen and that fellow cherri woundn easi began talk imposs make stop talk articl will horror stori recount appal open short time ago command veteran team fellow appli for releas cherri call such soldier hit intifada command soldier talk stop common phenomenon cherri psychiatrist talk feel quit insan fridai come home parent cannot talk beach surf calm and return kei father car readi for advanc that can dare talk whenev don want talk grab chair and smash instantli nerv smash chair time and run home car and beach becom normal anoth fridai eat lunch prepar mother omelett sort risk sit and talk told mother event fresh mind told shot arab and exactli wound look inspect began laugh hyster want cry and dare laugh straight face told pal had made mincemeat two arab prepar molotov cocktail shot hit beautifulli exactli deserv bullet had set molotov cocktail fire effect that arab burn beautifulli delight pal fire bullet two arab molotov cocktail and chum hit straight ass felt that pull told mother anoth pal mine split open gut belli anoth arab and ran that spot reach spot and that arab blood gush bodi spit yell shut and dare talk back hebrew laugh straight face laugh stare convuls ey told wait moment left order anoth wound arab ask soldier that arab save bleed arteri stop stone that tell thi mother detail and laugh straight into face thi infuri angri felt mad stop eat seiz plate omelett and trim and onc threw head stop laugh didn you mad fall frequent friend practic shoot field gull appear middl field friend shot onc notic deer stand high sigh deer tel aviv thi accur rest thi fantasi hill friend onc aim and shot enjoi sight fall rock shot two deer and climb rock young deer badli wound bullet such milk dead mother carefulli inspect two path cover blood and chunk torn flesh two deer had hit delight that sight had hit good decid kill young deer spare suffer approach revolv and shot head time short distanc you shoot straight head you bullet sink bullet made brain fall ground effect splatter lot blood straight thi made feel cure spurt mad stand soak blood felt beast prei couldn explain had happen almost tear walk that hill and felt dai badli back place carri assign thi can you gui you disabl for rest life you feel you power you feel godlik sort danni and dudu contempl thi moment studi act dudu not will work secur link occup danni feel exact opposit shouldn advantag skill master shouldn earn for each chop head deliv mercenari south africa thi kind job suit perfectli human emot reason salari will problem board plane bosnia order fight transl israel shahak yisrael shahak crackpot chemist figur rechavia jerusalem post offic sad figur feel for concentr camp holocaust and affect deepli josh backon vm huji
talk.politics.mideast	isra press tortur articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write center for polici research cpr subject isra press tortur written apr cpr igc apc org igc mideast forum isra press tortur isra press newspap ariv date decemb author avi raz subject tortur sigh farwel donchin truth will interrog polygraphi lie detect event relat brain potenti psychophysiolog research report support part contract number central intellig agenc preliminari report present and meet societi for psychophysiolog research donchin happen isra you that israel primit tortur thi brought russian mathematician lenningrad militari hospit factor analysi multipl unit activ brain sure you jest israel sic train dog arab prison commonli prison farm mississippi alabama you protest tortur isra secur personnel beat arab prison chicago polic you complain sinc not practic physic tortur kindli refrain thi word josh backon vm huji titl articl moder physic pressur time long hour interrog room tulkarm prison humili beaten and tortur omar daoud jaber heard interrog shabak agent captain loui chat phone wife moment omar felt that humanb finish talk beat and you listen convers and enjoi and understood that not human late octob dai detent tulkarm prison omar jaber releas charg jew arab good peopl and bad peopl releas tulkarm interrog room you cannot find even person you can that human left detent instal tulkarm bruis and humili sat home for ten dai hand shook nerv omar jaber lucki not healthi entir and even ultim return normal function small solar heater plant own contrast hassan bader zbeidi for exampl releas week ago detent tulkarm dai shabak wing cut surround doesn speak react mustafa barakat ag arrest earli august and brought tulkarm detent instal left dai dead recent receiv larg number testimoni cruel tortur emploi tulkarm detent instal shabak interrog note niv gordon director associ israel and palestinian physician for human right complain shabak not excit anan saber makhlouf year student fact extrem fear describ manner interrog tulkarm prison case public paper return detent and lead renew mistreat follow descript tortur omar tall beard man silent not want talk final quietli time embarras and asham spoke sometim beat you and beat you you kiss hand and not hand even hand anoth interrog and anoth call into room and last interrog you kiss hand and want you will kiss ass thing place isra armi detent instal locat militari govern compound tulkarm west bank shabak interrog wing separ kingdom earli march idf allow repres tselem isra inform center for human right territori visit tulkarm prison deni access interrog wing interrog wing shabak properti sole shabak respons interrog perform lieutnant sharon sho command instal intern report written tselem member yuval ginbar visit major david govern command prison system central command quot report ethic problem can enter interrog wing transl shahak
talk.politics.mideast	entir muslim popul had slaughter armenian sourc men that leonard ramsden hartil bobb merril compani indianapoli page memoir armenian offic particip genocid million muslim peopl paragraph tartar section town longer exist pile ruin had destroi and inhabit slaughter fate befel tartar section khankandi second paragraph men had serv russian armi and train soldier armenian rich and possess arm tartar had never receiv militari train poor and possess arm knive shortli kill tartar villag revolut russia suppress serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	armenian slaughter twelv year muslim girl sourc world aliv person stori robert dunn crown publish inc york memoir american offic wit armenian genocid million muslim peopl length shoot peter hors and rode djul burn flame show steep and tough dens scrub final flatter ground suddenli alder smolder hous across trampl wheat brother arm lead anim calv and lamb fourth paragraph corps pretti child straight black hair larg ey look twelv year lai stubbl meal lai scatter sack tote bayonet had back judg for blood scant breast clot small for bullet wound crust homespun dress boi ten rawhid jacket and knee pant lai face path hut arm reach pewter bowl carri upset dough steel had jab below neck into spine grownup led sorrel djul empti live till look besid dro german speak colonel tartar had not escap dead serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	cold blood slaughter muslim women and children armenian articl apr new columbia edu lasner watsun columbia edu charl lasner write hmm rent midnight express tonight haven that scene awhil savor moment chang fact that period fascist soviet armenian govern order incit assist and particip genocid million muslim peopl race religion and nation origin past turkiy and todai azerbaijan for utop and idiot armenian brought havoc neighbor short sight and misplac nationalist fervor wrong agenda and anachronist method armenian continu becom pernici for region usual will treat accordingli neighbor nagorno karabag mountain enclav that li complet azerbaijan border histori whatsoev connect soviet armenia geograph aspect nagorno karabag histor homeland and cradl artist and literari heritag azerbaijan render armenian claim preposter even lunat and demand that soviet armenian govern heir armenian dictatorship recogn turkish genocid that soviet armenia return histor homeland turkish and kurdish peopl that soviet armenian govern make materi repar for heinou and unspeak crime victim turkish genocid that world govern offici recogn turkish genocid and turkish territori right and refus succumb armenian polit pressur awar turkish peopl necess solidar effort pursu turkish victim genocid centuri posit step you sourc sundai time march british weekli written thoma goltz agdam azerbaijan armenian soldier massacr hundr flee famili spiral violenc grip outer republ soviet union gain impetu yesterdai cold blood slaughter hundr women and children war rack nagorno karabakh survivor report that armenian soldier shot and bayonet azeri women and children flee attack town hundr possibl thousand miss and fear dead attack kill soldier and volunt defend women and children turn gun terrifi refuge survivor describ happen that real slaughter began azer hajiev soldier surviv armenian shot and shot and and start carv peopl bayonet and knive shoot shoot shoot echo rasia aslanova arriv agdam women and children made armenian line husband kayun and son law kill front daughter miss boi arriv agdam had ear slice survivor had fled separ miss gruell terrain perish wound cold late yesterdai death had regist morgu agdam morgu and bodi had buri cemeteri corps await burial two children and women shot chest point blank rang agdam hospit scene carnag and terror doctor had patient escap slaughter bullet injuri deep stab wound safe agdam fridai night rocket fell citi popul destroi build and kill person serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	soviet armenia deni histor fact turkish genocid articl lxew panix mpoli panix michael polymenako write avail anon server peopl begin speak hope unspeak crime armenian right armenian invad burn and sack fatherland urartu massacr and extermin popul and present world left urartu armenian civil reliabl western historian describ armenian ruthlessli extermin million muslim women children and elderli peopl eastern anatolia and collabor enemi ottoman empir truth that armenian collabor nazi world war and that even todai crimin nazi member asala sdpa arf terror triangl preach and instig racism hatr violenc and terror peopl and soviet armenia continu anti turkish polici wai soviet armenia deni histor fact turkish genocid order shift intern public opinion polit respons soviet armenia emploi asala sdpa arf terror and revision triangl and crimin nazi armenian attempt call into question verac turkish genocid soviet armenia implement state sponsor terror asala sdpa arf terror and revision triangl attempt silenc turkish peopl vehement demand and protest human financi and government resourc soviet armenia and tool unit state attempt silenc terror briberi and subvers method turkish support turkish polit government and humanitarian aforement method soviet armenian govern attempt neutral intern diplomat commun make turkish case contemporari issu despit effort soviet armenian govern and terrorist and revisionist organ last decad struggl closest systemat extermin armenian intern wall silenc thi issu begun collaps and number govern and organ becom support recognit turkish genocid serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	muslim left aliv not singl histor armenian barbar articl apr sol ctr columbia edu halsal murrai fordham edu paul halsal write simpl question serdar anytim armenian kill turk eastern anatolia come area todai full turk and muslim kurd and not full armenian suffer sever case myopia muslim left aliv not singl lead armenian unit cross ottoman border compani russian invad ottoman parliamentari repres for erzurum karekin pastirmaciyan assum revolutionari name armen garo anoth ottoman parliamentarian hamparsum boyaciyan led armenian guerrilla forc ravag turkish villag line nicknam murad order that kill turk and kurd wherev you find and circumst you find turkish children kill form danger armenian nation hamparsum boyadjian varandian histori dashnaktsutiun anoth member parliament papazyan led armenian guerrilla forc that ravag area van bitli and mush march russian forc began move van immedi april armenian van began revolt massacr turk vicin make quick and easi conquest russian that czar nichola telegram armenian revolutionari committe van april thank for servic russia armenian newspap gochnak publish unit state proudli report that turk remain van rest slaughter sourc hovannisian richard armenia road independ univers california press berkelei and lo angel addit kar and batum oblast empir increas area transcaucasia squar mile estim popul entir region percent armenian percent georgian and percent moslem group tatar paradox bare transcaucasia armenian live erevan guberniia christian constitut major uezd erevan uezd administr center provinc had armenian compar moslem time russian censu armenian had establish scant major percent guberniia had risen percent inhabit thi impress chang provinc ethnic charact notwithstand ev creation armenian republ solid block tartar continu domin southern district outskirt ereven border persia map histor armenia and map administr subdivis transcaucasia percent turk close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for tartar and proceed work extermin troop surround villag villag resist offer artilleri knock hut into heap stone and dust and villag unten and inhabit fled into field bullet and bayonet complet work tartar escap found refug mountain succeed cross border into turkei rest kill and that length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki hot plain ararat cold mountain plateau north dot mute mourn ruin tartar villag quiet villag for howl wolv and jackal that visit paw scatter bone dead ohanu appressian men that sourc stanford shaw armenian collabor invad russian armi histori ottoman empir and modern turkei volum reform revolut republ rise modern turkei london cambridg univers press april dashnak russian armenia organ revolt citi van armenian compris percent popul closest armenian major citi empir leav erivan april armenian volunt reach van and organ and carri gener slaughter local muslim popul two dai small ottoman garrison had retreat southern side lake know number never justifi territori ambit armenian look russia and europ for fulfil aim armenian treacheri thi regard culmin begin world war decis revolutionari organ refus serv state ottoman empir and assist invad russian armi hope particip russian success reward independ armenian state carv ottoman territori armenian polit leader armi offic and common soldier began desert drove russian invas eastern anatolia begin world war degre armenian collabor ottoman enemi increas drastic ottoman suppli line cut guerilla attack armenian revolutionari arm armenian civil popul turn massacr muslim popul provinc van anticip expect arriv invad russian armi sourc stanford shaw histori ottoman empir and modern turkei vol cambridg univers press london meanwhil czar nichola caucasu make final plan for cooper armenian ottoman presid armenian nation bureau tifli declar respons countri armenian hurri enter rank gloriou russian armi blood serv victori russian arm russian flag wave freeli dardanel and bosporu your will great majesti peopl remain turkish yoke receiv freedom armenian peopl turkei suffer for faith christ receiv resurrect for free life protect russia armenian flood into czarist armi prepar made strike ottoman rear and czar return petersburg confid that dai final had come for reach istanbul horizon tifli novemb quot hovannisian road independ ottoman moral and militari posit east hurt and prepar for russian push into eastern anatolia accompani open armenian revolt sultan hovannisian road independ bayur iii allen and muratoff caucasian battlefield cambridg ali ihsan sabi harb hahralaram vol ankara no and armenian state organ van russian protect and appear that muslim nativ dead driven maintain oldest center ancient armenian civil armenian legion organ expel turk entir southern shore lake prepar for concert russian drive into bitli vilayet thousand armenian mu and major center east began flood into armenian state mid juli armenian crowd into van area crisi had hous and fed peopl muslim and muslim alik hovannisian road independ fop no and bva mecli vukela mazbatalari debat august babi ali evrak odasi van ihtilali katl ami zilkad septemb wait diplomaci imperi william langer york alfr knopf armenian watch opportun kill turk and kurd set fire villag and make escap into mountain sinc ottoman such great toler come armenian count part rum millet forc control greek orthodox patriarch you peopl for real main legal principl turkish state summar articl constitut republ turkei democrat secular and social state govern rule law bear mind concept public peac nation solidar and justic respect human right loyal nation ataturk and base fundament tenet set preambl constitut freedom cultur and religion prevail ottoman empir allow nation and race boundari remain autonom fact that ottoman empir longest live recent histori attribut freedom despit lack written constitut attempt creat written constitut occur and document adopt two attempt remain forc temporarili provid basic element constitut constitut legal document forc parliament and elect share sovereignti emperor constitut addit limit emperor increas power parliament and govern world war brought ottoman empir end occup istanbul parliament dissolv and constitut abolish member parliament exil island occupi forc independ war turkish grand nation assembl held meet april serv legisl bodi turkish state thi assembl prepar legal structur turkish republ republ proclaim octob and constitut adopt that constitut serv legal backbon todai modern turkish republ turkei adopt multi parti polit system constitut replac and constitut republ base principl parliamentari democraci human right nation sovereignti divis power privat ownership and secular major principl constitut constitut articl establish structur republ principl turkish republ democrat secular and social state govern law govern maintain public peac nation solidar justic human right and object ataturk languag state turkish sovereignti vest nation condit restrict sovereignti exercis organ author nation legisl power carri parliament elect nation thi power cannot deleg transfer execut power exercis presid and council minist judici power exercis independ court behalf turkish nation individu equal irrespect languag race religion color sex polit belief law cannot contradict principl state constitut structur state accord constitut structur state base principl divis power creat balanc and control system power divid into legisl power execut power and judici power balanc secur freedom and power control each control legisl power turkish grand nation assembl parliament hous elect nation for term year exercis legisl power behalf nation basic function thi assembl adopt amend repeal law approv dismiss council minist supervis and question minist council minist debat amend and approv annual budget ratifi intern agreement grant amnesti pardon member parliament not liabil for word oral written legisl duti countri divid into constitu number repres each calcul popul turkish citizen ag twenti can vote elect supervis suprem council elect solv disput appeal each provinc local board elect run and control elect supervis and guidelin suprem council member council and board elect independ judg execut power presid republ head state not head govern unit state main function presid repres state and countri insur implement constitut coordin legisl judici and execut function act suprem command arm forc ratifi law and govern decre presid elect grand nation assembl for period year presid ratifi return law for second debat call for referendum execut power exercis council minist head prime minist prime minist appoint presid member parliament prime minist name minist for approv presid govern council minist read program parliament and vote confid follow minist council minist and member administr can su independ administr court for misus power administr error function law judici power judici power exercis independ court author power can instruct judg public prosecutor court cannot discharg replac retir execut author for reason state law categori court turkish judiciari system court justic deal legal commerci and crimin case decis court review suprem court justic appeal parti involv decis function execut power includ prime minist and minist government depart can appeal administr court function decis law decis administr court review high administr court law and decis grand nation assembl can examin constitut court contradict constitut found contradictori thi court cancel decis law parliament serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	hama death tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write you brought separ question israel unjustifi polici and practic unclear your reaction practic and poloci reflect articl tim not separ question clock deceiv judg resist movement context occup alaa zeineldin
talk.politics.mideast	invest yehuda and shomron articl igc apc org cpr igc apc org center for polici research write learn pervers judaism consult masterli work yehoshua harkabi year head isra intellig and oppon plo latest book publish english and includ detail analysi judeo nazism you mean talk jew hatr spend time attack judaism jew and israel despic anti semet stereotyp don coin term jedeo nazism refer jew endless desir accept nazi dirti work for can call hous jew fool anti semit jewish famili hous jew refer person jewish ancestri issu statement for compani organ that condemn judaism perfectli sufficeint year free anti semet role model wonder for adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	isra soldier boi that humor impress your incred sens wit sarcasm and proprieti mind post joke your mother
talk.politics.mideast	legal jewish purchas articl apr bnr zbib bnr write adam shostack write sam zbib write surpris that you don acquisit land jew arab for purpos establish exclus state hostil action lead war for purpos establish state not exclus state state exclus not arab citizen you ethnic composit israel form isra citizen ethnic composit depend you mean form deed israel won war and not purchas land hostil action bui land and will sell mutual agreeabl price that commerc not hostil action lead war mind sell freedom and digniti palestinian except perhap you heard anti trust busi world anti trust law place mandatori palestin sinc answer you argument interestingli construct irrelev will respond point you assert talk anti trust law establish bridgehead for european jew and flee arab land jew second class citizen paid fair market etc jew paid fair market for land bought not victim intern conspiraci you sam peopl start talk intern jewish conspiraci begin sound anti semit bull reason conspiraci quit simpl zionist made bone confer public etc talk creat nation home for jew israel gave citizenship remain arab had maintain democrat facad western aid flow israel western aid grant citizenship arab remain and grant citizenship facad don wrong beleiv that israel democrat constraint domin ethnic group jew bad arab personali never heard arab commun isreal that commun histori and root dead you never heard dead fact you claim israel had give arab right exist intern aid you that that argument hole you drive truck and assert that israel democrat unexplain constraint ethnic group problem that argument that arab allow vote for sam constraint isra democraci that don exist democrat state never heard khazakistani arab popul that mean that histori root ben gurion univers israel neighbor isra arab wasn that neighbor that make dead oppress stand correct meant that jewish cultur not predomin palestin recent histori problem jerusalem jewish charact predominantli jewish make rest palestin recent recent can build case for jewish gaza citi pretti silli argu not that jerusalem jewish that land ethnic adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	himmler speech extirp jewish race washington stark remind holocaust speech nazi leader heinrich himmler that refer extermin jewish race displai fridai nation archiv document includ handwritten note himmler evid that exist rebut claim that holocaust myth archivist note give authent robert wolf supervisori archivist for captur german record suppos destroi lot boss didn obei rule document move berlin himmler hope safe hide place recov alli forc world war salt mine salzburg austria himmler spoke oct posen poland german secret polic gener want talk you quit frankli grave matter ourselv mention quit frankli and will never speak publicli mean clear jew extermin jewish race thi page glori histori never written and never written emphasi mine rje german word himmler that translat extermin ausrottung wolf precis translat extirp tear root handwritten note himmler us euphem judenevakuierung evacu jew archiv offici extermin word spoke preserv audiotap archiv himmler oversaw adolf hitler final solut jewish question commit suicid arrest nation archiv exhibit displai preview open unit state holocaust memori museum april nation archiv exhibit includ page each himmler handwritten note type transcript speech and offic translat made for nuremberg war crime trial saturdai time associ press revan math ucsd edu
talk.politics.mideast	adl spy case aren isi edu yigal aren write lo angel time tuesdai april detail extens adl spy oper emerg inquiri transcript reveal year espionag man infiltr polit group richard paddock time staff writer file yigal
talk.politics.mideast	xsoviet armenia deni histor fact turkish genocid articl apr hellgat utah edu tolman asylum utah edu utah edu kenneth tolman write hope unspeak crime armenian right armenian invad burn and sack fatherland not justifi wrong previou year ancestor tortur enslav and kill black not want respons for not direct rel such thing current tortur enslav and genocid let correct that let forget and forgiv each and histor reason kill tortur back thing prai not infantil arbit for past injustic you suggest that forget cold blood genocid million muslim peopl armenian and peopl aren awar that hitler that pattern elimin jew base armenian turkish peopl rememb todai extermin tartar adolf hitler august ruth rosenbaum durusoi turkish holocaust turk soykirimi refer turk and kurd histori forgotten peopl not serv societi peopl total unawar happen viciou societi run fascist armenian decid simpli us phoniest pretext excus for wipe peac love industri and intellig and product ethnic group demand fascist govern soviet armenia redress wrong that peopl and can that can catch hold and not lose sight histor preced thi centuri cannot revers event past can and strive memori thi tragedi aliv thi side atlant prevent recurr extermin peopl religion race mean that support claim turk and kurd return land soviet armenia determin futur nation homeland serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	entir muslim popul subject genocid armenian articl sdcc ucsd edu hminassi sdcc ucsd edu write azeri presid abulfaz elchibei azerbaijan had recov bodi terrorist includ black mongol and fighter recent brought armenian capit yerevan lebanon you can dream you demand armenian govern soviet armenia sit outstand issu whether land repar recognit sit and for mean land and properti and return right owner turkish and kurdish peopl year long armenian show that area entir popul region subject genocid belief genocid plan extermin turkish peopl region last man woman and child armenian tortur and massacr million defenseless civilian assembl innoc civilian mosqu and burn build method even todai travel that region seldom free evid armenian crime you stomach strongli recommend refer armenian genocid muslim erzurum and van turkish genocid museum nesid kerem demir bir sehid anasina tarihin soyledikleri turkiy nin ermeni meselesi hulb basim yayin ankara veysel eroglu ermeni mezalimi sebil yayinevi istanbul alper gazigirai osmanlilardan gunumuz kadar vesikalarla ermeni teroru nun kaynaklari gozen kitabevi istanbul kirzioglu fahrettin kar ili cevresind ermeni mezalimi kard matbaasi ankara that final goodby azerbaijan photo associ press cemeteri agdam azerbaijan famili member and friend griev burial victim kill fight nagorno karabagh chingiz iskandarov hug coffin contain remain brother victim copi koran lai atop coffin york time final embrac photo associ press chingiz iskenderov weep coffin hold remain brother rel griev azarbaijani cemeteri yesterdai amid burial victim kill fight nagorno karabagh washington post nagorno karabagh victim buri azerbaijani town refuge claim hundr di armenian attack bodi todai two children and women shot chest appear close rang anoth refuge treat agdam hospit includ multipl stab wound thoma goltz washington post serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	thousand armenian serv german armi and waffen articl sdcc ucsd edu hminassi sdcc ucsd edu write turkei bare teeth armenia sooner you expect rememb cypru vehement disagre you bad fact nazi armenian europ had establish vast network pro german collabor that extend two contin thousand armenian serv german armi and waffen russia and western europ armenian involv espionag and column activ for hitler balkan and arabian peninsula promis independ state german protect agreement sign armenian nation council copi thi agreement can found congression record novemb document thi side atlant nazi armenian awar brethren allianc had express pro nazi sentiment america enter war summari world war armenian carri german and cring and fawn nazi that zeal armenian public germani hairenik carri statement follow sometim difficult erad poison element jew struck deep root chronic diseas and becom for peopl nazi erad uncommon method attempt regard revolutionari surgic oper flow blood natur thing for view armenian genocid muslim and jew extract letter date decemb publish san francisco chronicl answer letter that had publish journal signatur amarian hand inform and evid armenian atroc peopl jew member famili wit murder member famili erzurum turkei armenian neighbor bent destroi and remot jewish and muslim armenian histori and havoc and ancestor perpetr neighbor armenian leagu hitler last war premis grant govern return armenian extermin jew armenian hearti propon anti semit act leagu russian communist amarian don your bia sign elihu ben levi vacavil california jame mandalian dro drastamat kanayan armenian review quarterli hairenik associ inc summer june vol serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	muslim peopl will slaughter sdpa crimin articl apr urartu sdpa org hla urartu sdpa org write want thi discuss place english face word don into your noggin place hope sdpa org mouthpiec fascist soviet armenian govern your role murder orhan gunduz and kemal arikan muslim will slaughter sdpa org publicli declar and file legal author that peopl die sdpa urartu state thi and stand sdpa urartu januari lo angel kemal arikan slaughter two armenian drive work march cambridg massachusett prelud grisli murder gift and import shop belong orhan gunduz blown gunduz receiv ultimatum honorari posit will execut refus respons claim jcag and sdpa cambridg massachusett orhan gunduz turkish honorari consul boston not bow armenian terrorist ultimatum that give titl honorari consul attack and murder cold blood presid reagan order manhunt avail ey wit gave descript murder shot surviv fall silent revolt triumph senseless mindless histori armenian terror such murder bring absolut noth ego boost for murder armenian terrorist underworld wallow satisfact you involv murder sarik ariyak decemb sydnei two nazi armenian massacr sarik ariyak and bodyguard engin sever jcag and sdpa claim respons sourc edward boghosian radic group host attend solidar meet armenian report athen greec arrai repres greek polit parti includ rule pasok parti and host polit group armenian and armenian join voic solidar armenian peopl pursuit and activ armenian polit forc voic sundai april intern meet solidar armenian peopl and judg encourag messag offer repres polit group and organ greec armenian enjoi abund support wide spectrum polit world intern meet solidar sponsor greek branch armenian popular movement compar polit forc head younger gener armenian openli profess support arm struggl and armenian secret armi for liber armenia asala organ branch european and middl eastern countri and unit state branch switch loyalti split rank asala voic support pasok rule parti greec armenian peopl charalambidi michali member central committe parti and greek member perman peopl tribun explain goal and aspir armenian popular movement ara sarkisian signific address deliv bassam abu salim behalf popular front for movement continu support armenian arm struggl pursuit pledg that palestinian oper and run train camp open armenian youth train for such struggl abu salim answer question put thi writer affirm that organ had train armenian member asala and that thi polici will continu door camp open armenian freedom fighter affirm promin greek politician attend confer son prime minist papandr hold post greek cabinet two member cypriot parliament had journei athen for specif purpos attend intern gather repres christian democrat parti edik center parti two wing communist parti repres assort labor union and trade associ number mayor greek town and citi two greek member european parliament and member greek parliament particip intern confer hand follow deliber ambassador bulgaria athen signific larg number messag receiv organ includ palestinian nation revolutionari movement fatah popular front for liber palestin gener command central committe palestinian nation liber movement fatah socialist progress parti lebanon arab socialist labor parti kurdistan democrat union iraq and numer intern group note for radic stand isra palestinian conflict support arf messag receiv armenian group armenian revolutionari feder revolutionari movement group that claim abduct and assassin kei parti leader lebanon accus sell foreign interest and power messag gave support armenian popular movement pledg that revolutionari movement will continu reveal realiti matter bitter tragic expos anti armenian activ leader dashnag bureau messag indic link loos that exist dissid dashnag group and armenian popular movement open support asala and arm struggl armenian popular movement set headquart suburb greek capit neo kosmo larg armenian presenc headquart locat two stori build appear turn into beehiv activ part score armenian youth prefer give name invit introduc comment cunixb columbia edu vedat dogan subject address messag apr new columbia edu articl apr urartu sdpa org dbd urartu sdpa org david davidian write articl apr new columbia edu cunixb columbia edu vedat dogan wrote respons articl mar urartu sdpa org dbd urartu sdpa org david davidian write sourc adventur east rawlinson jonathan cape bedford squar london publish page such pile garbag refer publish not and page not second check page ask davidian publish book desk and book not page you claim davidian page question your book total page number closer mine crap post boi can you quot crap you not exist previou post quot exactli exist sourc serdar argic you couldn reject addit author prefac written januari book publish book front page and author prefac give year and januari can check librari not can send you copi page sct don care year publish care book write murder tortur quot serdar argic and your denial quot and your groundless accuss etc 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bother you you name tortur and murder armenian crap peopl you main reason world crap question serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	sdpa made armenian synonym idiot crimin nazi articl apr urartu sdpa org hla urartu sdpa org write your and mutlu argic cosar and thousand you sdpa org crimin nazi action your fascist govern genocid million turkish men women and children and enjoi fruit that genocid and your crimin organ will not genocid cover june major upris place sebinkarahisar leadership famou nazi boyadjian moslem district burnt hundr soldier and gendarmeri kill and hundr civilian perish armenian occupi talori region includ villag siner simai gulli guzat ahi hedenk sinank ekind effard musson etek akcess leav wive children and properti inaccess spot armenian join forc arm band come silvan district plain mu bodi men gather andok six hundr wish surround mu and start attack delican tribe south citi slaughter number tribe and seiz good religi belief muslim fell into hand derid and disparag and muslim murder fright manner rebel attack regular troop vicin mu larg number regular forc prevent occupi citi rebel join bandit andok mt carri fright massacr and loot tribe neighbourhood burn omer agha nephew aliv rape number turkish women spot hour distanc gulli guzat and strangl begin august rebel attack faninar bekiran and badikan tribe perpetr equal horribl atroc rebel villag yermut and ealigernuk nahiy cinan kaza cal attack kurd neighbourhood villag kaisser and catcat end august armenian attack kurd vicin mu and burn villag includ gulli guzat for rebel talori continu spread death and destruct muslim and christian commun refus lai arm sourc ura esat armenian histori documentari public istanbul speech siva congress mustafa kemal onc drew pictur countri occup east armenian make prepar for advanc river hali kizilirmak and start polici massacr moslem popul situat southern provinc turkei sign mudro armistic describ ataturk speech armenian south arm foreign troop and encourag protect enjoi molest mohammedan district pursu relentless polici murder and extinct thi respons for tragic incid mara armenian had complet destroi mohammedan town mara artilleri and machin gun fire kill thousand innoc and defenceless women and children armenian instig atroc uniqu histori sourc document volum document archiv cabin drawer file section content feb march district governor kemal list male inhabit mergehu villag murder annihil utmost savageri armenian name method annihil haci ibrahim son abdi bullet and bayonet abdi son haci ibrahim bullet and bayonet reso son abdi beaten and cut into piec sado son omer beaten and cut into piec aso son reso beaten and cut into piec kulu son canko stab ey bayonet musa son canko bayonet ey emin son molla hamit bayonet ey molla abdullah son hamit bayonet ey ibo son haci bayonet ey sado son haci bayonet ey abdullah son canko slaughter ibo son ahmet abdomen rip open ismail son ibo burnt fire musto son ozu bullet mahmut son seyyo slaughter kocak son birro bullet musto son husnu bullet uso son alo bullet maksut son peri bullet haci son peri bullet mehmet son hasanali bayonet ibo son hasanali bayonet abdo son mehm bayonet molla suleyman burnt oven mazgi son abdullah stab abdomen bayonet suli son hasan bullet mahmo son mehmet stab dagger murat son hasan stab dagger uso son avci blind bayonet lesko son mehmet stab dagger abdullah son kasim bullet coban abdullah bullet seymo son mumin bullet muammer son reso bullet paso son merzi bullet gulu son bitor bullet murat son yusuf bullet and bayonet cedo son haci ibrahim bullet and bayonet faki mehmet bullet and bayonet silo son abdulcebbar bullet and bayonet list massacr femal villag kasi daughter huso and wife haci ibrahim bullet fati daughter isa wife aduz bullet zeresan daughter amat wife reso bayonet gullu daughter iyso cut breast sulnu daughter sulo rip open abdomen and burn wife ibo babi oven fatma daughter ibo slaughter and burnt oven fidan hatun burnt oven gulfizar daughter hacihan wife musto slaughter rahim daughter mehmet wife halil bullet binef daughter haci kerim wife suleyman burnt oven mahiy daughter ali wife sivno slaughter hati daughter haci wife ahmet slaughter hacer daughter meho bullet and bayonet list femal villag rape and murder nadir daughter haci wife suvi hani daughter kulu wife zerko zaliha daughter telli wife silo arap daughter sami wife hilo wound male and femal villag long list list massacr male and femal istuci villag mikail son alo bullet musto son ismail bullet dervi son maksut bullet ali son nimet bayonet esat son kelo bayonet and bullet isa son nebi bayonet and bullet cevher son gani beaten rifl butt ziro daughter hasan di injuri hazal daughter ali wife acem di injuri hamsa daughter huseyin wife huseyin di injuri list rape women istuci villag life sabo daughter maho virgin miri daughter maho virgin emin daughter meho wife sofi salih sahap daughter ali wife nevruz gullu daughter mahi virgin list person attack armenian gang long list serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	himmler speech extirp jewish race add himmler inferior race and human anim speech posen and speech reichsfuehr himmler major gener posen octob nazi conspiraci and aggress vol basic princip absolut rule for man honest decent loyal and comrad member blood and happen russian czech not interest slightest nation can offer good blood type will kidnap children and rais whether nation live prosper starv death interest slave for cultur interest whether russian femal fall exhaust dig anti tank ditch interest anti tank ditch for germani finish never rough and heartless not that clear german peopl world decent attitud anim will assum decent attitud human anim crime blood worri and give ideal caus son and grandson difficult time come and cannot dig anti tank ditch women and children inhuman for will kill you murder your blood anti tank ditch not dug german soldier will die and son german mother blood extract himmler address parti comrad septemb trial crimin vol pole sexual deal german woman and thi mean sexual intercours man will hang front camp will not provis will made that suffici number polish women and girl will come that necess thi kind question women will brought court merci and fact not suffici prove such borderlin case happen will concentr camp thi million pole and hundr thousand worker alien blood inflict untold damag german blood philosoph avail thi case not that danni keren
talk.politics.mideast	armenia shoot turkish plane articl apr kpc henrik quayl kpc write articl apr rochest edu terziogl rochest edu esin terzioglu write articl apr urartu sdpa org dbd urartu sdpa org david davidian write armenia shoot turkish plane ermenistan kasiniyor translat for public traslat servic get into armenia get itchi esin clearifi turkish armenia not get itchi simpli let world that will longer sit quiet and turk famou trick armenian rememb turkish invas greek island cypress world simpli watch your ignor obviou your post cypru independ countri turkish greek inhabit not greek island your ignor post claim name cypru english time read and learn you post esin
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah mafifi ei calstat edu marc afifi write not forget that soldier kill not murder distinct not trivial murder happen innoc peopl not peopl line work kill kill happen that soldier line duti kill opposit that doesn mean cheer death policemen line fire and job includ possibl get kill happi die question not whether not you agre polici israel you for isra ceas occup don rejoic death marc
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah amehdi src honeywel hossien amehdi write articl ifh new cso uiuc edu eshneken cso uiuc edu edward shnekendorf write hell you isra polici you fiat into mind isra gener thi polici intimid publish for your inform action arab specif plo not uncommon lebanon campaign brain full shit don into mind and make isra polici for delet not busi read mind thi case not isra top leader past and present come across arrog tough talk intimid arab you deal arab threaten drive you into sea burn half your conuntri you talk nice you you wouldn languag middl east power and forc that you aren strong you israel talk and act tough notic israel talk and act tough battl will talk peac isra and arab not achiev peac almost year fight two major reason arab govern not repres peopl leader stupid and not independ and dictat true and brainwash peopl into think jew sort monster arab recognit israel and support war and terror import factor wouldn you isra govern arrog and compris you want israel negot sick peopl call for israel withdraw territori that not realist don you realiz that solut negoti tabl patienc
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah ei calstat edu mafifi ei calstat edu marc afifi write stssdxb unoc dorin baru write even extemist side jewish isra post disagre not openli back plain murder you lebanes resist you talk bunch lebanes farmer deton bomb work organ entiti not lebanes train mercenari not curiou guess you back kill hundr marin beirut kind resist movement kill jewish attlet munich you like didn you you post garbag you consist dorin dorin not forget that soldier kill not murder distinct not trivial murder happen innoc peopl not peopl line work kill kill happen that soldier line duti kill opposit and resist terror athlet munich victim terrorist call freedom fighter and call murder bastard name death cannot compar soldier kill resist fighter don forget that french resist nazi occupi forc eventu succeed drive hostil occupi wwii diplomaci not work israel and damn minut histori book you read recal that british canadian american and commonwealth soldier franc that time perhap you take vacat trip lebanes peopl tire occupi turn option viabl don forget that work drive lebanes want foreign countri can back kill each marc reb peopl narrow mind can crack door ey opinion employ opinion
talk.politics.mideast	fundament articl khan nova khan nova gmi edu mohammad razi khan write biggest complaint word fundamentalist that peopl speak muslim fundamentalist muslim defin jewish christan fundamentalist equal definit taker that naturei karta jewish fundamentalist ultra orthodox jewish group hesit make such broad gener shai gudai stealth bomber softwar engin think machin corp wing ninja ski cambridg
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl ei calstat edu mafifi ei calstat edu marc afifi write don forget that french resist nazi occupi forc eventu succeed drive hostil occupi wwii thi incorrect french resist plai part hinder german war effort crucial role suppli dai diplomaci not work israel and lebanes peopl tire occupi turn option viabl don forget that work drive interest statement you that lebanon had claim made progress peac talk israel prime obstacl israel complet withdraw lack government control that can appli area larg presenc syrian forc not ask withdraw shai gudai stealth bomber softwar engin think machin corp wing ninja ski cambridg
talk.politics.mideast	freeman bash free man propaganda machin freemanwith blood israel articl ei calstat edu mafifi ei calstat edu marc afifi write pgf cunixb columbia edu peter garfiel freeman write peter thi your succinct post date sinc you noth you noth brilliant you thi marc hei tough gui read topic that messag brain real school
talk.politics.mideast	turkei cypru bosnia serbia greec armenia azeri tankut iastat edu sabri atan write articl new cso uiuc edu ptg uxa cso uiuc edu pano tamamidi write noth greek problem fanat met greek wouldn even talk turkish experi friend open greek histori war current situat not pano tamamidi you put turk bear respons thing happen todai that hard for object you put thing into histor perspect turk move into area inhabit greek thi histori two nation start centuri ago sinc continu battl two nation perspect can that greek respons for happen two nation not reason argu that hostil drag till kick turk thi area thi isn happen improv relat two countri golden oportun exist cypru thing can work isn that work nation come conflict countri you cannot blame side bad gui side you anatolia you your avoid discuss such thing waist time not want open flame not that conflict start that not side aggress and ither suffer sad that not compromis rememb action turkish govern remov visa requir for greek come turkei thought posit attempt make relat thought smart move receiv monei greek tourist bet that thi week tourist greec turkei each will leav and figur thi mean your economi you had visa requir greek bother visit turkei greek mention wouldn talk educ peopl never met bad person turkei polit not busi and not busi turk come individu hatr come not extrapol your limit person experi you err you you reason conclus tankut atan tankut iastat edu pano tamamidi
talk.politics.mideast	iranian azeri drop atom bomb armenia articl fhm oduvm bitnet farid fhm oduvm bitnet write farid support preserv territori integr farid azerbaijan and independ russian rule iranian farid includ million azerbaijani will armenia retreat farid territori azerbaijan will thi prove quit interest farid count iranian supposedli counter turkish influenc will farid fatal error part armenia long armenia farid violat intern law azerbaijani land occup armenia not count iranian violat intern law intern law azerbaijan attack and depopul armenian karabakh farid armenian aggress continu territori azerbaijan not farid won aid iran armenia step will farid armenian armi back armenia and you speak for rafsanjani farid azerbaijani iran will guarantor thi polici for farid scare iranian turk russian power expert present farid and futur militari potenti peopl not put farid stock russain power sole power region for long farid your suppos expert not expert russian had stop influenc caucasu sinc treati turkmanchai hmm that make year azeri iran forc armenian karabakh that will real good trick farid iran not alian develop capabl produc bomb farid and reliabl deliveri system refer recent new releas farid potenti iran azeri iran forc armenian karabakh forc iranian govern drop atom bomb armenian farid moral stori that you don invad your neighbor farid home azerbaijan and flash russia gun question fine you drop atom bomb your neighbor you damn fool farid farid marshal shapashnikov eat word turkei farid short year you drop atom bomb russia farid peac resolut armenian azerbaijani conflict farid armenia find fruit aggress bitter farid and armenian will your peac drop atom bomb exampl iranian azeri benevol you sir poor exampl iranian azeri and had nice two dai stai tabriz back david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
talk.politics.mideast	turkei cypru bosnia serbia greec armenia azeri articl new cso uiuc edu msg uxa cso uiuc edu michali syrimi write concentr labor camp turkei for cypriot greek greek talk nonsens will glad read can you posit kind concentr camp akgun live dai ag and intern and extern new that knowledg and posit turkei had democrat gover and free press that time forget intern new agenc haven heard intern sourc concentr camp greek cypriot prison turkei heard adana pow camp not secret and recogn pow camp for regist prison red cross return home thi your version stori case prison regist even messag rel not releas undeni fact vanish turkish labor camp turk decid acknowledg exist chang mind releas that you happen thought that mia subject rambo and chuck nori movi that wrong for treatment convent you you don beliv turkiy never clandestin state histori respect and continu member sinc incept bodi question membership turkei had happen and short live arm embargo impos unilater usa satisfi intern greek lobi you answer wast anytim had condemn resolut turkei handl cypru problem coup and israel had can athen junta duru greek had share close matter todai turkish cypriot turk greek greek cypriot offici demand greek cypriot miss greek cypriot you heard that offici demand miss person you look latest agenda for cypru talk mediat gali issu whatsoev miss peopl negoti parti heard time denkta interview turkish and intern press that thi longer issu for peac talk you don want fish for greek cypriot politician word that argic had post zillion time describ miss peopl greek cypriot myth that opinion greek cypriot miss peopl turkish custodi your claim that major miss person infact kill period coup eta and invas dai simpli not true case miss person and quit case peopl reserv forc and lost battlefield civilian prison villag turkish armi not claim told you greek cypriot answer turkish gover turkish cypriot want locat juli and final ceas fire late august thi answer satisfi intern commun and vasilu gover sinc not make issu for peac talk not awar condemn turkei miss greek cypriot you btw you mean that nico sampson had bloodless coup eta and hurt event photo you refer photo not greek cypriot soldier round prison camp turkei even opinion greek cypriot for thi myth offic turkish armi govern adana pow camp hell clever dude cover track hope turkish armi type moron for secur turkiy thi good subject for movi script inform oliv stone thi not justic serv and bosnian plea answer dare happen mastermind ethnic cleans idea todai eoka mastermind and openli even give interview time for eoka case justic will serv akgun compar action serbian bosnian action turkei cypru not turk thought that serbian savag inhuman beast etc etc akgun michali syrimi thi you understood paragraph you your comput system administr check charact convers tabl your system inform mine akgun
talk.politics.mideast	reason hezbollah articl apr unoc stssdxb unoc dorin baru write tough talk and arrog adult aren you listen tough talk american politician switch channel guess didn make point clear case israel govern not tough talk for intimid polici not peopl intimid talk tough talk aggress action take pride action and brag
talk.politics.mideast	deriv pleasur death not applaud kill human includ prison sentenc death illustri justic depart peac marc boi you stupid person justic depart not sentenc peopl death that state court brain
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah will answer dorin question even not address specif feel that bit concern thread sinc southern lebanes villag that receiv end israel bomb place death soldier patrol occupi lebanes terrritori not act terror murder disingen compar death that athlet munich act terror mrder thi exercis aim sole divert issu and truth dorin that you remot and ignor problem ground that your comment can charactr irrelev and heavili color preconcept and misinform will paint accur pictur can situat south lebanon articl apr unoc stssdxb unoc dorin baru write isra civilian your opinion not condon bomb villag kind villag you claim villag civilian and ira claim camp fill terrorist you claim that isra shell villag hope find terrorist kill fine not bad civilian die not back home villag thi last summer for your inform peopl not bunch indiscrimin terrorist peopl villag regular inhabit that daili busi work field small shop older men that coff shop and drink coffe that hard imagin not terrorist camp you and isra view villag small commun kid plai soccer street women prepar lunch men plai card etc young men ag year member lebanes resist even inhabit villag not secret peopl suspect and young men support financi iran time sneak arm and ammunit into occupi zone set boobi trap for isra patrol time isra soldier kill injur trap israel retalli indiscrimin bomb villag choos kill innoc civilian onc back announc that bomb terrorist hideout year girl happen accustom isra tactic and figur that thi isra tell that you gonna hurt soldier you gonna pai price accept thi price pai free land israel that not hurt resist that militarili strike keep pressur villag demand young men stop attack isra soldier sinc attack take heavi toll live civilian villag israel retalli polici cold heart realiti that come accept and deal lebanes resist hand not stop attack occupi isra soldier withdraw thi real leverag that forc israel withdraw peopl south lebanon occupi shell israel regular basi not want occupi israel insist that call secur zone for protect northern israel will pai price occup blood soldier israel interest peac withdraw land not ask for establish lebanes occupi zone northern israel protect villag that attack regular basi israel polici remov isra occup and establish peac keep troop border written thi newsgroup that real solut will come result comprehens peac settlement israel withdraw border and peac keep troop station border insur side border shell thi realist solut time for israel realiz that concept buffer zone aim protect northern citi fail fact caus isra death occasion shell northern israel result israel save isra live withdraw unilater call secur zone conclus peac talk such move save isra live advanc peac effort give israel great moral lift israel public imag abroad and give edg peac negoci sinc israel can rightli claim that genuin interest peac and offer import concess such withdraw israel demand that hizbollah disarm lebanes govern and warn that will not accept attack northern citi and that such shell occur will take buffer zone and will hold lebanes and syrian govern respons for incent for syrian and lebanes goovern hizbollah bomb israel proper such circumst and lebanes govern proven that capabl control and disarm militia part lebanon you question will problem answer not question you qualifi candid for murder noth justifi murder agre case isar soldier kill cannot qualifi murder matter you feel that you make similar statement elimin isra jew wrong quarrel jew isra civilian real problem occupi isra soldier and brave isra pilot that bomb civilian villag time occupi soldier attack dorin basil
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talk.politics.mideast	warsaw ghetto upris anniversari visitor abc origin messag mincha tish yamim omer yom chamishi nisan thshn universita varsha varsha galut hamara meod shalom you visit ghetto citi dai interest event timet abridg fri april kabbalat shabbat servic nozyk shul twarda street warsaw min walk palac scienc cultur tallest build citi centr distanc central railwai station sat april shacharit shabbat servic nozyk shul sun april fallen memori servic nozyk shul sun april memori ceremoni jewish cemeteri okopowa street warsaw sun april offici art programm congress hall build adjac palac scienc cultur shul locat quarter walk downtown hotel bristol forum victoria europejski holidai inn marriott mon april lai wreath ghetto hero monument shabbat shalom hitraot varsha shelomoh slawek zieniuk student univ warsaw dept hebrew warsaw ani shalom khi adab hema lamilchama tehillim guest mail account plearn bitnet
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah congratul due hama activist blew world trade center american that put grave underlin usa bankrupt imperialist polici hama blah blah blah blah blah brad you ask that that violenc that you love come back haunt you nissan
talk.politics.mideast	fundament fundamentalist not defin fundamentalist not that essenti question agre answer literatur discuss new mohammad khan khan nova gmi edu juli send mail mkhan nyx edu
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl hiyr new cso uiuc edu eshneken cso uiuc edu edward shnekendorf write brad you sick son bitch wish for death even your enemi derang piti for you and you you acquir thi philosophi islam brad hernlem hernlem chess ncsu edu thi interest question ponder brad ali sick make ayatollah style islam attract thi religion that brad ali formal adopt give thi sick jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl ei calstat edu mafifi ei calstat edu marc afifi write diplomaci not work israel hasn egypt rest arab world offici deni that israel exist and lebanes peopl tire occupi turn option viabl kick syria don forget that work drive american occupi lebanon that jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl apr ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem write hezbollah and lebanes resist fighter skill precis bomb sla and isra target hard beat car bomb suicid driver get target blow even boobi trap and radio control bomb car pretti effici killer you point find such method restrain and respons thi part your islam system isra method shell and bomb villag hope that hezbollah member will kill civilian murder had isra method thi iraq wouldn nuke long ago entir arab town deport and execut perform ten thousand fact that isra method aren even evil common and everydai arab state soldier train die for countri idf soldier duti dai men not di govern had isra soil isra soil brad ali wait ayatollah thought polic wind thi holi muslim soil you forgotten allah merci you brad hernlem hernlem chess ncsu edu jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	deriv pleasur death peter garfiel freeman write not applaud kill human includ prison sentenc death illustri justic depart peac marc boi you stupid person justic depart not sentenc peopl death that state court brain peter you ridicul stupid not measur judici system guess marc meant that death penalti matter meant your statement not justifi regard dorin
talk.politics.mideast	new brief articl gdinng anaconda ci ohio state edu karbasi ci ohio state edu write nehzat aazaade member time arrest and tortur and speak prison item confirm long stand suspicion that reason thi regim not destroi nehzat aazaade complet show and brag freedom express iran propaganda paper thi regim had absolut freedom express anywher not even sci isnt heavi usag anonym post iri sympath didnt roam sci anon poster us occasion good dai
talk.politics.mideast	reason hezbollah hossien amehdi write articl apr unoc stssdxb unoc dorin baru write tough talk and arrog adult aren you listen tough talk american politician switch channel guess didn make point clear case israel govern not tough talk for intimid polici not peopl intimid talk tough talk aggress action take pride action and brag agress action side tough talk side arab leader menac throw jew water tough talk and kill peopl mildli agress justifi your opinion isra soldier justifi opinion jew not justifi opinion brad wrote articl isra kill ther lot pride and satisfact line that feel disgust agre not kill technic murder enthousiast and your point you not object that not blame remark dorin
talk.politics.mideast	isra expans lust articl apr bnr zbib bnr write articl apr da harvard edu adam endor adam shostack write articl apr bnr zbib bnr write imho not matter start individu battl arab isreal war context real question start war doubt creation israel arab land huh war start armi invad israel vow drive jew into sea jew want live peac and arab stai israel grant citizenship surpris that you don acquisit land jew arab for purpos establish exclus state hostil action lead war for purpos establish state not exclus state state exclus not arab citizen and not purchas land hostil action bui land and will sell mutual agreeabl price that commerc not hostil action lead war whether jew want live peac want and want exclus jewish state jew control and jew master land live peac meaningless mean live equal for nativ arab thi not leav option you mean jew and arab citizen arab stai citizen choos vote for jew palestinian stai stai despit happen and number somewhat toler defenseless and ineffect minor wrong you israel recal palestinian refuge talk million civilian huh peopl left voluntarili reason for israel israel gave citizenship remain arab had maintain democrat facad western aid flow israel western aid grant citizenship arab remain and grant citizenship facad sam make land arab explain contract man and land control isn ottoman rule year and left bare trace concept land ident somewhat foreign mobil and pragmat west partli concept sol natal nativ soil that jew had previou histori region recent memori talk everydai life not archeolog you isn you fail establish jew histori israel for thousand year lot jew slaughter crusad israel thrive commun gaza citi roughli jew major jerusalem onward that make land jewish adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	arafat sampson articl copper denver colorado edu aaldoubo copper denver colorado edu shaqeeqa write articl apr colorado edu perlman qso colorado edu eric perlman write perhap can argu whether not current palestinian deleg repres plo hope not plo doesn that kind legitimaci matter you naftali adam and that arafat advis deleg and that plo support matter that arafat behalf plo recogn israel and exist israel polici direct negoti plo hold substanc situat not arafat explicitli deni thi claim libyan televison interview yasser arafat peopl that palestinian revolut time chang strategi and tactic left imprint palestinian problem and palestinian liber front strategi and tactic not clear question direct palestinian problem clear palestinian leadership stop thi media thi happen dialogu unit state plo recogn call israel not recogn state israel recognit palestinian state establish will decid recogn israel not establish parliament will conven and decid polici can justifi occup thi you grassroot movement that reject israel author and disregard for human right and israel peac abandon polici and replac israel withdraw control territori two prerequsit that lead reduct death second that not weaken israel bargian posit respect peac talk leav gaza unilaterali bad idea encourag arab can want kill jew israel pull gaza end negoti negoti lead mutual agreeabl solut secur guarante for side arab readi sit tabl and talk not expect reciev concess adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	fundament articl khan nova khan nova gmi edu mohammad razi khan write biggest complaint word fundamentalist that peopl speak muslim fundamentalist muslim defin jewish christan fundamentalist equal definit taker american press routin word fundamentalist refer christian and jew christian fundementalist refer context anti abort protest american media fundamentalist refer jew live judea samaria gaza and jew follow torah adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	deriv pleasur death regard condemn marc ridicul attack american depart justic and attack jew offens call marc stupid apolog for point obviou wast net time hope that american citizen basic knowleg structur american govern understand relationship justic depart part execut branch and court judici branch marc ignor basic civic knowleg underscor inabl comprehend and interpret foreign affair peac pete
talk.politics.mideast	isra expans lust articl apr bnr zbib bnr write action lebanes resist send isreali pack for you concern bloodsh critic you great favor dai you learn that stop israel fight back stop attack attack secur zone for year lebanes armi maintain peac lebanon shape syrian troop not attack aren occupi lebanon israel repeatedli state that will leav two condit demonstr that lebanes armi can peac second that syrian pull adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl ei calstat edu mafifi ei calstat edu marc afifi write resist fighter don forget that french resist nazi occupi forc eventu succeed drive hostil occupi wwii and thi time thought britian invad normandi constant round clock bomb and fact that german fight two front silli thi not devalu action resist movement resist movement not defeat nazi diplomaci not work israel and lebanes peopl tire occupi turn option viabl don forget that work drive israel repeatedli state that will leav lebanes govern show that can prevent attack israel and syrian agre leav lebanes not diplomaci for long not capabl get rid syrian and iranian occupi land close hezbolah and negoti withdrawl syrian forc israel happi leav adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl apr yuma acn colost edu lanc colost edu write brad post delet come accept and deal lebanes resist hand not stop attack occupi isra soldier withdraw thi real leverag that forc israel withdraw young men attack syrian troop blood soldier israel interest peac withdraw land guarante peac thi happen that lebanes youth unabl restrain violenc and unabl realiz that action prolong israel stai south lebanon lebanes armi maintain peac israel not israel prefer that soldier die children israel save isra live withdraw unilater call secur zone conclus peac talk such move save isra live advanc peac effort give israel great moral lift israel public imag abroad and give edg peac negoci sinc israel can rightli claim that genuin interest peac and offer import concess israel withdraw lebanon peac treati sign not dai withdraw casualti lebanes peopl that push israel kill soldier not gonna happen such withdraw israel demand that hizbollah disarm lebanes govern and warn that will not accept attack northern citi and that such shell occur will take buffer zone and will hold lebanes and syrian govern respons for israel not demand thi hold buffer zone that bargain posit hold your neighbor land lebanon will agre condit israel quit left doesn that lebanes can disarm hizbolah and maintain peac adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl apr yuma acn colost edu lanc colost edu write not terrorist camp you and isra view villag small commun kid plai soccer street women prepar lunch men plai card etc young men ag year member lebanes resist even inhabit villag not secret peopl suspect and young men support financi iran time sneak arm and ammunit into occupi zone set boobi trap for isra patrol time isra soldier kill injur trap israel retalli indiscrimin bomb villag choos kill innoc civilian thi and true method util guerilla and terrorist group conduct oper midst local populac forc oppos state harm innoc civilian search order avoid death civilian abandon search peopl us popul for cover blaim for drag innoc civilian into harm you suggest that guerilla us popul for cover israel total back easiest attack anoth us innoc shield and hope that respect innoc live israel insist that call secur zone for protect northern israel will pai price occup blood soldier your damn israel insist sort demilitar buffer zone had put year attack territori arab state and watch state noth not exactli surpriz that israel decid that stop such action israel interest peac withdraw land bit attack israel neighbor arab state can start hope for thi happen will occur arab state show that prepar respons and duti stop guerilla attack israel soil prove provid guarate israel accept word not past attitud toler anti israel guerilla resid written thi newsgroup that real solut will come result comprehens peac settlement israel withdraw border and peac keep troop station border insur side border shell good lord brad world gove you idea that troop stop station countri that countri can leav time nasser and that limit troop power don that israel comfort genuin commit peac arab state and concret not intellectu polit exercis jargon guarante parti worthless israel perhap ruse thi realist solut time for israel realiz that concept buffer zone aim protect northern citi fail fact caus isra death occasion shell northern israel result perhap you awar that commun peopl feel that that die fight attack for die silent accept fate you call israel sens suffer fewer casualti suggest you appli palestinian arab and islam group israel save isra live withdraw unilater call secur zone conclus peac talk such move save isra live advanc peac effort give israel great moral lift israel public imag abroad and give edg peac negoci sinc israel can rightli claim that genuin interest peac and offer import concess such withdraw israel demand that hizbollah disarm lebanes govern and warn that will not accept attack northern citi and that such shell occur will take buffer zone and will hold lebanes and syrian govern respons for israel perspect concess get noth realiz that and can hope that side decid likewis word can back back tangibl item land control land requir sort action you israel stai israel put attack arab state territori for decad essenti put stop invas lebanon entir basi that realiti exactli you state israel express outrag attack and protest arab state involv that state promptli entir matter secur knowledg that not held respons for act commit privat group israel prepar for round attack israel want return dai and don idiot suggest trust for motiv present dai arab state incent for syrian and lebanes goovern hizbollah bomb israel proper such circumst present situat that tell that arab state will not pursu past antagonist polici israel don talk vagu polit factor tangibl that israel gave factor that guarante respons state your assess differ base lot assumpt and state don feel confort base exist that sort thing and lebanes govern proven that capabl control and disarm militia part lebanon basil not support and activ involv syria lebanon not accomplish that occur onc syria leav that lebanon will retain control syria stai thai even danger for israel tim your view thi entir matter seren side and select naiv
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl apr yuma acn colost edu long lanc colost edu basil hamdan write snip place death soldier patrol occupi lebanes terrritori not act terror murder disingen compar death that athlet munich act terror mrder thi exercis aim sole divert issu and truth agre that death soldier patrol etc not terror that let continu snip imagin not terrorist camp you and isra view villag small commun kid plai soccer street women prepar lunch men plai card etc not argu that even villag terrorist camp come close serv that purpos and that not that not function that prior invas young men ag year member lebanes resist even inhabit villag not secret peopl suspect and young men support financi iran time sneak arm and ammunit into occupi zone set boobi trap for isra patrol time isra soldier kill injur trap israel retalli indiscrimin bomb villag choos kill innoc civilian onc back announc that bomb terrorist hideout year girl happen villag and you describ not larg number group area back organ wide rang purpos hizbollah and amal two larger and retali mistak made that cry indiscrimin bomb produc major casualti israel retalli polici cold heart realiti that come accept and deal lebanes resist hand not stop attack occupi isra soldier withdraw thi real leverag that forc israel withdraw disagre that israel willingli withdraw lebanes gov field reliabl forc area polic and prevent attack thi realist solut time for israel realiz that concept buffer zone aim protect northern citi fail fact caus isra death occasion shell northern israel result that not clear will agre that death toll longer civilian and primarili militari incent for syrian and lebanes goovern hizbollah bomb israel proper such circumst and lebanes govern proven that capabl control and disarm militia part lebanon syrian gov happi israel sink into anoth lebanes morass elabor agre case isar soldier kill cannot qualifi murder matter you regret situat shai gudai stealth bomber softwar engin think machin corp wing ninja ski cambridg
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah apr gmt amehdi src honeywel hossien amehdi articl apr src honeywel amehdi src honeywel hossien amehdi write you arab sinc you repli articl you assum that arab not arab you brain full shit you you bombard civilian and civilian area lebanon israel consist polici intimid that polici that practic call democraci middl east merlei point that side suffer not arab lebanes you bet defend homeland invad mean syrian iranian agent isra invad gari bradski net bradski park edu reverber cognit and neural system boston univers cummington boston don even agre opinion die
talk.politics.mideast	sicken that armenian capabl such articl apr sol ctr columbia edu halsal murrai fordham edu paul halsal write curiou that serdar spend time attack greek and armenian happen histor oppon turkei soviet armenian govern genocid million turkish men women and children and enjoi fruit that genocid and you blind problem arab greek bulgar serb russian tartar circassian persian kurd oppon kurd armenian not alli thi histor circumst toll serdar perhap post alt rave nationalist soc histori excus close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for tartar and proceed work extermin troop surround villag villag resist offer artilleri knock hut into heap stone and dust and villag unten and inhabit fled into field bullet and bayonet complet work tartar escap found refug mountain succeed cross border into turkei rest kill and that length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki hot plain ararat cold mountain plateau north dot mute mourn ruin tartar villag quiet villag for howl wolv and jackal that visit paw scatter bone dead ohanu appressian men that genocid deliber and organ massacr peopl attempt extermin race thi worst crime histori happen turk eastern anatolia and armenian dictatorship million turk and kurd kill worst wai imagin sicken that human race capabl such action deni fact that armenian genocid million muslim happen peopl turkiy deepli sympath rel kill turkish genocid understand anger that deni that turkish genocid place despit fact that genocid million turk document past six decad cannot revers event past can and strive memori thi tragedi aliv thi side atlant prevent recurr extermin peopl religion race sourc bristol paper gener correspond contain bristol bradlei letter septemb absolut hand inform that armenian caucasu attack tartar turkish villag that utterli defenseless and bombard villag artilleri and murder inhabit pillag villag and burn villag let someth straight not armenian angel subject turkish genocid and german subject jewish genocid you for real halsal you high asala sdpa arf forgeri and fabric you wrote that your exist list scholar mine world war and ensu year armenian dictatorship premedit and systemat genocid complet centuri polici annihil turk and kurd savag murder million muslim and deport rest year homeland attempt genocid justli regard instanc genocid centuri act entir peopl thi event incontrovert proven historian govern and intern polit leader such ambassador mark bristol william langer ambassador layard jame barton stanford shaw arthur chester john dewei robert dunn papazian nalbandian ohanu appressian jorg blanco villalta gener nikolayef gener bolkovitinof gener prjevalski gener odiselidz meguerditch kazimir motayef twerdokhlebof gener hamelin rawlinson aveti aharonian stephan eshnani varandian gener bronsart arfa hamlin bogho nubar sarki atamian katchaznouni rachel bortnick halid edip mccarthi allen paul muratoff and hurewitz professor govern emeritu director middl east institut columbia univers bernard lewi cleveland dodg professor eastern histori princeton univers halil inalcik univers professor ottoman histori member american academi art scienc univers chicago peter golden professor histori rutger univers newark stanford shaw professor histori univers california lo angel thoma naff professor histori director middl east research institut univers pennsylvania ronald jen associ professor histori asian studi univers illinoi howard reed professor histori univers connecticut dankwart rustow distinguish univers professor polit scienc citi univers graduat school york john wood associ professor middl eastern histori univers chicago john masson smith professor histori univers california berkelei alan fisher professor histori michigan state univers avigdor levi professor histori brandei univers andrea bodrogligetti professor histori univers california lo angel kathleen burril associ professor turkish studi columbia univers roder davison professor histori georg washington univers walter denni professor histori univers massachusett caesar farah professor histori univers minnesota tom goodrich professor histori indiana univers pennsylvania tibor halasi kun professor emeritu turkish studi columbia univers justin mccarthi professor histori univers louisvil jon mandavil professor histori portland state univers oregon robert olson professor histori univers kentucki madelin zilfi professor histori univers maryland jame stewart robinson professor turkish studi univers michigan list and and wait mark alan epstein ottoman jewish commun and role fifteenth and sixteenth centuri klau schwarz werlag freiburg page fifteenth centuri ottoman struggl reestablish balkan consider turmoil jewish commun central and western europ even difficulti darker centuri immedi preced fourteenth minim easi understand attract ottoman life compar life europ held for jew jew left christendom for realm rise muslim ottoman each account persecut expuls christian countri record that jew fled ottoman territori regular report suggest that ottoman consid toler protector and that regular trickl jewish famili move southward and eastward western and central europ evid that effect plagu late crusad and gener intoler and persecut jew christian europ result redirect focu jewish life for two centuri orient muslim east page second quarter fifteenth centuri foremost offici edirn jewish commun rabbi yitzhak sarfati ashkenazi chief rabbi citi import rabbi citi and author import letter tell situat edirn jewri fifteenth centuri sarfati christian europ and supposedli wrote thi letter behest two recent arriv prosper and freedom ottoman jew prevail write european coreligionist appris situat and urg migrat thi remark letter advis recipi not pleasant condit ottoman domain describ eas travel palestin and holi place attract make pilgrimag choos buri page impress gain hebrew sourc that jew firmli awar commun interest exist and ottoman comparison relat christian europ confirm common interest muslim and jew fact that european christian perceiv jew alli islam and awar muslim jewish cooper activ import jewish financi and politician repres ottoman govern abroad not pass unnot european sourc basi for knowledg career addit appear that christian pirat plunder turk and jew sworn enemi and that european consid jew agent regularli report ottoman exampl overt jewish support for ottoman struggl european power two instanc jewish support for campaign ottoman frequent cite instanc jewish contribut conquest buda earli sixteenth centuri and rhode report sympathi for ottoman sieg chio unpublish ottoman document show dramat mutual interest exist greek town page clear that sixteenth centuri gener accept fact that interest jew and muslim coincid frequent and parti involv jew muslim and christian awar situat page that relat greek and jew not cordial two group had common common interest and perceiv common philosoph religi tradit serv basi for cooper enmiti identifi bond good will exist religi commun fifteenth and sixteenth centuri that muslim and jew had common orthodox page gener impress muslim jewish relat ottoman context fifteenth and sixteenth centuri commun interest earliest time ottoman welcom jew territori and found commun exist place conquer cooper element jewish respons thi toler steadi flow jew christian countri ottoman domain page period indic that ottoman jewish relationship amiti character for year afterward liber ottoman contrast intoler byzantin and protect and secur ottoman offer comparison condit leav doupt that even ottoman and jew recogn mutual interest page imposs fundament jew success ottoman rebuild istanbul ottoman mercantil success sixteenth centuri that plai import role cannot doupt unclear whether import that ottoman not experienc great success jew and that group found serv ottoman jew unmistak clear that parallel world histori thi remark partnership jew and jewish societi live conclud that ottoman not achiev success group perform task for jew for jew fifteenth and sixteenth centuri ottoman empir remark and salubri home version rabbi sarfati tzarfati letter prof shaw page your cri and sob reach told troubl and persecut you suffer german land hear lament brethren barbar and cruel nation ruthlessli oppress faith children chosen peopl priest and prelat rome risen root memori jacob and eras name israel devis persecut bring you stake listen brethren counsel will give you born germani and studi torah german rabbi driven nativ countri and turkish land bless god and fill good thing found rest and happi turkei can becom for you land peac you live germani knew even tenth god bless thi land you not difficulti you set come land turk noth complain possess great fortun gold and silver hand not oppress heavi tax and commerc free and unhind rich fruit earth cheap and live peac and freedom jew not compel wear yellow hat badg shame case germani even wealth and great fortun curs for jew therewith arous jealousi christian and devis kind slander rob gold aris brethren gird your loin collect your forc and come you will free your enemi you will find rest israel zinberg histori jewish literatur vol jewish center cultur ottoman empir hebrew union colleg press ktav publish york serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	armenian architect genocid million muslim peopl articl apr husc harvard edu verbit germain harvard edu mikhail verbitski write person problem romanian cultur that not awar anecdot armenian troglodyt not necessarili impli low cultur level imag consciou armenian sore feel miss glori background armenian never achiev statehood and independ subservi and engag undermin scheme ruler commit genocid muslim popul eastern anatolia and armenian dictatorship and world war and fulli particip extermin european jewri world war belliger genocid back stab rebelli and disloyalti hallmark armenian histori obliter episod armenian engag tailor histori suit whim thi zeal cover cold blood genocid million turk and kurd and world war and you don pull nation hat sourc walker christoph armenia surviv nation york martin press thi gener pro armenian work contain inform direct relev nazi holocaust dro butcher dictat armenian dictatorship and architect genocid million turk and kurd respect nazi armenian leader establish armenian provision republ berlin world war thi provision govern fulli endors and espous social theori nazi declar and armenian member aryan super race publish anti semit racist journal therebi align nazi and effort extermin jew and mobil armenian armi member fought side side wehrmacht serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	museum barbar articl eld acsu buffalo edu saum ubvmsb buffalo edu varnava lambrou write cypru major popul christian your fellow turkish friend and good job for you clean area christian your articl reflect your abund ignor peopl turkiy quit that greec and greek cypriot will never abandon idea hellen cypru and will remain etern hope unit greec somedai cost parti involv histori speak for greec sole perpetr invas that island troop juli attempt toppl legitim govern archibishop makario greek cypriot attempt annex island greec aid greek armi turkiy interven legal two intern agreement turkiy for frequent and conveni forgotten peopl island turkish cypriot for turkish cypriot grandpar live island sinc releas niko sampson member eoka nation organ cypriot fighter and convict terrorist show that enosi mental continu surviv greec not forget that sampson dedic life annihil turk cypru commit murder achiev thi goal and destroi island independ annex greec greek govern will bear consequ for thi irrespons conduct museum barbar irfan bei street kumsal area nicosia cypru hous nihat ilhan major serv cypru turkish armi conting attack launch turk greek decemb nihat ilhan wife and children ruthlessli and brutal kill bathroom had hide savag greek nihat ilhan happen duti that night decemb pictur reflect greek atroc commit and exhibit thi hous convert into museum ey wit account turkish famili butcher greek terrorist date decemb onslaught greek turk start dai ago feroc and defenseless women men and children brutal kill greek and kumsal area nicosia wit worst exampl greek savag bloodsh wife and infant children nihat ilhan major duti camp cypru turkish armi conting mercilessli and dastardli shot dead hide bathroom hous madden greek broke into home glare exampl greek barbar listen relat incid told hasan yusuf gudum ey wit wound terribl event night decemb wife ferid hasan and pai visit famili major nihat ilhan neighbour mr aysh mora daughter ishin and mr aysh sister novber sit supper sudden bullet pedieo river direct start riddl hous sound heavi rain think that dine room sit danger ran bathroom and toilet thought safer altogeth person hid bathroom wife refug toilet wait fear mr ilhan wife major doctor stand bath children murat kutsi and hakan arm suddenli great nois heard front door open greek had come and comb corner hous machin gun bullet moment heard voic greek you want taksim and bullet start fly bathroom mr ilhan and children fell into bath shot thi moment greek broke into bathroom empti gun heard major children moan faint hour mr ilhan and children ly dead bath and rest neighbour bathroom wound had happen wife rememb and immedi ran toilet doorwai bodi brutal murder street admist sound shot heard voic cry save terrifi thought that greek and found that not dead kill ran bedroom and hid doubl bed pass distanc hear shot mouth dry bed and drank water put sweet pocket and back bathroom exactli had left hour ago offer sweet mr aysh daughter and mr novber wound wait bathroom clock morn thought morn never come wound and need hospit final walk mr novber and into street hope find and walk koshklu chiftlik met peopl hospit oper regain conscious that wound hous and and brought mr aysh and daughter stai dai hospit plane ankara for treatment had month treatment cannot us arm return cypru greek arrest airport relat you told greek detent releas foot into cypru devast turkish quarter tonight into seal turkish quarter nicosia peopl slaughter last dai western report and terribl sight kumsal quarter irfan bei sokagi made into hous floor cover broken glass child bicycl lai corner bathroom group waxwork children pile top murder mother room glimps bodi woman shot head thi told home turkish armi major famili had kill mob violenc todai dai and lai rene maccol and daniel mcgeachi daili express bathroom bodi mother and infant children murder father turkish offic max clo figaro januari peter moorhead report villag skyloura cypru date januari giarno itali turk hunt want extermin discuss start london cypru terror continu wit exodu turk villag thousand peopl abandon home land herd greek cypriot terror relentless thi time rhetor hellen and bust plato not suffic cover barbar and feroci behavior articl giorgo bocca correspond giorno date januari daili herald london appal sight and across turkish home appal sight apart wall not exist doubt napalm bomb attack creat devast count blacken brick and concret shell that had onc home each hous had deliber fire petrol red tile roof had cave found twist mass bed spring children cont and crib and ankl deep grei ash had onc chair tabl and wardrob neighbour villag ayio vassilio mile count wreck and burn home turkish cypriot home thi villag turkish cypriot had vanish villag find scrap damag greek cypriot hous daili telegraph london grave shot turkish cypriot found cypru villag silent crowd gather tonight red crescent hospit turkish sector nicosia bodi turkish cypriot found crude buri villag ayio vassilio mile brought hospit escort parachut regiment bodi includ woman discov nearbi not remov turkish cypriot guard paratroop locat bodi believ buri site serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	histor and tradit armenian barbar and fascism sourc men that leonard ramsden hartil bobb merril compani indianapoli page memoir armenian offic particip genocid million muslim peopl paragraph asleep night awaken persist cry child aros and investig full moon enabl make and reveal wreck and litter tragedi that had enact guid child cry enter yard hous judg appear home turkish famili corner yard found women dead throat had cut ly breast small child girl year serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	muslim cruelli bayonet death armenian articl apr new columbia edu lasner watsun columbia edu charl lasner write dare you presum that even newsgroup desir convinc extern posit new except and islam holocaust topic dai histor evid prove that period armenian govern order incit assist and particip genocid million muslim peopl race religion and nation origin armenian perpetr act sabotag destroi telephon cabl blew bridg block pass set ambush attack secur station and small turkish outpost ottoman armi line hand and ruthlessli attack turkish and kurdish villag slaughter turkish popul indiscrimin women children and young alik innoc muslim cruelli bayonet death massacr ax and sword shut mosqu school and burnt aliv can below widespread armenian massacr innoc muslim place region van kar siva erzurum bitli erzincan mu diyarbakir and mara ottoman armi fight prevent russian invas had deal armenian genocid squad cowardli hit armenian genocid muslim spread part eastern anatolia start late armenian commit widespread massacr and genocid eastern anatolia arena left armenian almost turkish town and villag erzincan azerbaidjan suffer larg scale massacr and genocid armenian and turkish genocid document armenian russian american british ottoman german austrian and french journalist and offic observ genocid thi centuri commit blood thirsti armenian genocid squad ottoman armi liber trabzon bayburt erzincan erzurum kar and region russian that citi and villag had destroi and burnt peopl slaughter massacr massacr conduct armenian black stain for human shock and disgust even russian british german austrian french and american author almost ottoman document relat armenian massacr and cruelti inhuman treatment cruelti atroc genocid armenian genocid squad perpetr innoc moslem turkish and kurdish peopl suffici reflect histor document even todai seventi year terrifi scream victim cruelti can heard sourc document volum document archiv cabin drawer file section content colonel seyfi gener headquart second section istanbul stephan eshnani neue wiener tagblatt vienna pester lloyd local anzlig berlin algemeen handelsblat amsterdam vakit istanbul close for two week withdraw russian and armenian turkish territori armenia two month elaps sinc clear territori armenian gang observ evid cruelti armenian almost step villag trabzon erzincan and erzincan erzurum destroi corps turk brutal and cruelli slain account save live escap mountain horribl and fear event begun russian forc evacu place armenian gang russian treat peopl peopl fear intervent armenian onc place had armenian massacr begun announc intent clear call armenian and kurdish land turk and solv nation problem todai had opportun meet austrian and german soldier had escap russian prison camp and come kar and alexand paul gumru leninakan russian offic save turk and clash russian offic and armenian gang erzurum and terribl almost citi destroi smell corps fill air specul that armenian gang murder austrian and german prison not support evid thi regard proof murder turkish prison war stephan eshnani serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	turkish govern agent usenet lie teeth davidian babbl turkish govern feel can funnel heighten state ultra nation exist turkei todai usenet and convinc peopl revisionist myopic and incident view and place world turkish govern usenet long you repeat thi utterli idiot and increasingli sadden drivel life peopl sea and that shore cannot depth armenian proverb
talk.politics.mideast	turkei admit send arm azerbaijan turkish pilot caught turkei send light weapon aid azerbaijan seva ulman ankara turkei upi turkei arm azerbaijan light weapon fight armenian forc struggl for nagorno karabakh enclav newspap hurriyet thursdai deputi prime minist erdal inonu told report ankara that turkei respond posit request azerbaijan for assist give posit respons request azerbaijan limit capabl foreign ministri spokesman vural valkan declin elabor natur aid azerbaijan framework council for secur and cooper europ hurriyet publish istanbul turkei send light weapon azerbaijan includ rocket rocket launcher and ammunit ankara began send hardwar visit turkei last week high rank azerbaijani offici turkei rule for second time week that interven militarili azerbaijan wednesdai inonu told report ankara not azerbaijan suffer defeat hand armenian feel ourselv bound azerbaijan not posit you form that futur turkish aid azerbaijan continu and world prime minist suleyman demirel reiter that turkei not militarili involv conflict foreign polici decis not base street level excit reaction ankara region report base armenian sourc yerevan turkish pilot and offic captur shot fly azerbaijani warplan and helicopt newspap cumhuriyet turkish troop dig border armenia militari sourc deni report base claim local peopl that gunfir heard border militari action occur sourc latest upsurg fight armenian and azerbaijani flare earli thi month armenian forc seiz town kelbajar and posit fizuli iranian border david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
talk.politics.mideast	public servic translat subject netteki butun vatanseverler duyuru articl apr freenet carleton freenet carleton suat kiniklioglu kubilai kultigin continu butun netteki arkadaslara duyuru siyasi platformun hangi tarafinda olursaniz olun bugunlerd nett olsun talk polit mideast talk polit soviet olsun olagan dan fazla etkin ermeni yunan postingleri yazilmaktadir yazilarin cogu guncel karabag kibri bosna konularinda yogunlasmaktadir buradan hareketl hepimizin biraz daha aktif olmasi usenmeyip cevap yazmasi oldukca faydali olacaktir evet herkesin isi gucu var akademik yilin yogun bir donemi fakat meydani bo birakmamanin ulkemizin cikarlarini ideolojik platformda gozetmenin sorumlulugu var yarinlarin cagda guclu turkiyesi hep berab kurmak umuduyla saygilar kubilai kultigin vatan sevgisi ruhlari kirden kurtaran kuvvetli ruzgardir translat public servic subject announc patriot net annonc friend net wherev you stand polit spectrum recent dai armenian and greek post usual number and effect written thi net and talk polit mideast and talk polit soviet write concentr subject karabagh cypru and bosnia due thi fact quit for activ and not feel reluct respond occup busi period academ year responsibilti not leav forum empti and watch interest countri ideolog level hope build togeth modern and power turkei tomorrrow regard kubilai kultigin love fatherland strongest wind cleans filth soul david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
talk.politics.mideast	convent proposal israel palestinian articl bca new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write latest isra propos propos februari contain assumpt natur interim statu refer and gaza palestinian implement negoti state that israel will remain exist sourc author final statu agre israel will negioti deleg power organ interim govern arrang isga isga will appli palestinian inhabit territori isra militari administr arrang will not territori applic will appli isra popul territori palestinian inhabit jerusalem residu power not deleg isga will reserv israel isra will continu live and settl territoriesd israel alon will respons for secur aspect extern intern and for mainten public order organ isga will administr function natur exercis power isga will subject cooper and coordin israel israel will negoti deleg power and respons area administr justic personnel agricultur educ busi tourism labor and social welfar local polic local transport and commun municip affair and religi affair palestinian counterpropos march establish palestinian interim govern author pisga author vest palestinian peopl pisga power cannot deleg israel interim phase isra militari govern and civil admini tration will abolish and pisga will asum power previou enjoi israel will limit pisga power and respons deriv charact interim arrang time pisga inaugur isra arm forc will complet withdraw agre point border occupi palestinian territori opt opt includ jerusalem jurisdict pisga extend opt includ land water and air space pisga legisl power enact amend and abrog law will wield execut power withput foreign control determin natur cooper state intern bodi and empow conclud bind coopera tive agreement free control israel pisga administ justic opt and will sole and exclus jruisdict will strong polic forc respons for secur and public order opt can request assist peacekeep forc disput israel govern arrang will settl committe compos repres perman member secur council secretari gener pisga jordan egypt syria and israel perhap bargain attitud vision interim stage wrong for two reason present palestinian and isra leadership moder like exist for year present opportun last for signific period sinc negoti not design even attempt resolv conflict attent issu deal desir final statu mi and potenti destruct thi propos side alter temper maximalist approach state can isra worri and desir for interim control address provid for real interim palestinian govern entiti tim april respons moor lmsc lmsc lockhe basic problem that israel remain leav occupi territori cannot cannot isra continu propos that remain palestinian propos that leav chang view worth point that area compromis accomod view requir reduct isra presenc israel propos such reduct and fact not negoti tim two percept that address that israel trust for arab group support for israel give tangibl asset exchang for piec paper expect hope etc second that arab world palestinian demand that tangibl concess made israel receiv tangibl back thi gap two stanc israel receiv tangibl return for expect concess tangibl meant that israel compar protect land give ensur that arab state and palestin will account and held activ not diplomat respons for uphold action territori citizen visitor essenc not that israel object palestinian statehood anywher strong israel assur that palestinian state commit exist israel and held respons for attack israel territori slant propos such guarante instil for exampl such guarante control ad palestinian pisga propos israel hang larg scare stiff that minut let land back arab state buffer zone full autonomi palestinian and arab parti and not control easili return tradit anti israel posit question ensur that that will not happen tim
talk.politics.mideast	water brain isra expans lust articl apr nysernet org astein nysernet org alan stein write guess hasan final reveal sourc claim that israel divert water lebanon imagin alan stein astein israel nysernet org water head never that israel divert lebanes river fact that israel into southern lebanon make that water us lebanes side that water run into jordan river israel will us head hasan
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl apr ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem write lebanes resist forc deton bomb isra occup patrol lebanes territori two dai ago soldier kill and two wound retali isra and isra back forc wound civilian bombard lebanes villag iron isra govern justifi occup lebanon claim that prevent such bombard isra villag congratul brave men lebanes resist isra son that you place grave you underlin moral bankruptci israel occup and draw attent isra govern polici reckless disregard for civilian life brad hernlem hernlem chess ncsu edu feder bureau investig fbi gov internet love read your incit murder josh backon vm huji
talk.politics.mideast	clinton view jerusalem recent read that bill clinton campaign state that elect immedi recogn jerusalem israel capit articl clinton reaffirm thi win presid recent talk presid mubarak secretari state christoph state that statu jerusalem will final matter discuss parti don want start big discuss statu jerusalem want can authent clinton statement date place etc you ben
talk.politics.mideast	new brief kayhan havai namaki deputi minist health state that infant mortal year iran per thousand revolut per thousand end last month namaki state that revolut children receiv vaccin protect deseas thi figur reach end malekzadeh minist health mention that popul growth rate iran end below visit mahathir mohammad prime minist malaysia iran agreement for cooper area industri trade educ and tourism sign agreement iran will charg build malaysia natur ga network farzin mokhtarian
talk.politics.mideast	turkei cypru bosnia serbia greec armenia azeri articl qvgu inn lynx unm edu osinski chtm eec unm edu marek osinski not long consequ greek request that thessaloniki not call solun bulgarian netter napoleon you write konstantinopl and not istanbul marek osinski thessaloniki call thessaloniki inhabit for last year citi never call solun inhabit instabul call konstantinoupoli that year peopl aliv todai born citi call konstantinoupoli peopl you that born citi call solun napoleon
talk.politics.mideast	yigal aren danger human anwar cmu edu anwar moham write articl bimac bitnet ehrlich bimac bitnet gideon ehrlich write reader thi forum interest content file will nice yigal will american author yigal aren danger adl author view lot peopl danger includ million american arab ancestri perhap you can answer question adl maintain file and spi adc member california and friendli rivalri perhap come not arab sympathet palestinian war israel that adl monitor arab organ that reason monitor communist organ and soviet nation year ago perhap yigal greenpeac member naacp report member dozen polit organ ethnic minor occup that adl spi group past associ part anti israel activ propoganda adl simpli monitor that come won caught surpris adl interest that person paranoia that world trade center bomb don happen israel fact that world trade center and peopl zein isa palestinian american group plan bow isra embassi and kill jew caught mordechai levi jdl paranoid jew live longer trust govern adl addit inform send name half poster thi forum gideon ehrlich anwar
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl apr ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem write articl apr unoc stssdxb unoc dorin baru write brad hernlem write you note that cheer attack isra patrol insid lebanes territori condemn retaliatori shell lebanes villag isra and isra back forc team you plai fair oppos team rearrang face spectat team view stand speak that you find sourc new lebanon and propaganda priori black and white hat wonder idf can bombard villag retali pin point attack soldier lebanon and call lebanes terrorist attack justifi not debat thi not issu issu that you cheer death dorin dorin critic post express thi accept regret that aspect post hope that occup will end and accompani loss life that stiff resist can achiev that end despit that point loss unaccept strategi drove troop lebanon brad hernlem hernlem chess ncsu edu brad two comment your hope that occup will end beliv that stiff resist etc untri approach peac and cooper can happen violenc isra stop hopefulli violenc arab stop time state violenc maintain perhap state cooper achiev greater econom opportun for peopl live territori current leadership israel your work that leadership ariel sharon mental predict consider loss life winner secondli your comment troop respond stiff resist analog not quit valid troop neighborhood altogeth isra not worth offens intend respectfulli ben
talk.politics.mideast	unconvent peac propos articl igc apc org cpr igc apc org center for polici research write center for polici research cpr subject unconvent peac propos unconvent propos for peac middl east elia davidsson fund establish disburs grant for each child born coupl partner isra jew and palestinian arab entitl for grant coupl will prove that partner possess entitl isra citizenship law return and partner born area current isreali control not entitl such citizenship law return for child grant will amount for second child for each child for each subsequ child grant will amount for each child thank for critic comment propos for dissemin thi propos for meaning discuss and enrich elia davidsson post box reykjavik iceland bit fashion you heard call love us plai role peopl consider for get marri peopl marri fictiti order green card make common child for power limit your propos unconvent od maler lgi imag bat grenobl franc phone fax mail maler imag
talk.politics.mideast	new you miss apr you insist repost entir origin post don wast bandwidth you picki jew can
talk.politics.mideast	lezgian astir azerbaijan and daghestan lezghi astir nejla sammakia associ press writer gussar azerbaijan lezghi azerbaijan and russia begun clamor for state threaten turmoil tranquil corner caucasu region escap ethnic warfar neighbor nagorno karabakh abkhazia and ossetia lezhgi becom minor soviet union fight for independ lezghi muslim descend nomad shepherd angri conscript young men fight azerbaijan year undeclar war armenia want unit lezghi region azerbaijan and russia effect breakup soviet union creat nation border that had line map ralli lezghi march protest conscript and demand separ lezghistan alarm azerbaijani govern offici baku capit deni rumor that polic shot six demonstr death govern announc strict secur measur and began cooper russian author control movement lezhgi live across border dagestan region russia visitor gussar center lezhgi life found town quiet protest children plai outdoor crisp mountain air sundai bazaar men heavi coat and dark fur hat gather discuss grievanc rang high custom duti russian border war not draft won shamil kadimov gold teeth glint sun fight war for azerbaijani noth armenia peopl di war center disput territori nagorno karabakh mile southeast malik kerimov offici mayor offic local draft had serv polic don forc peopl afraid upris that back lezghi dagestan men agre that polic had not fire demonstr disagre protest occur spontan rumor spread that azerbaijan draft men gussar region lezghi live ralli order gen muhieddin kahramanov leader lezhgi underground separatist movement sadval base dagestan organ demonstr famili distraught draft order kerim babayev mathemat teacher belong sadval hope reunit peacefulli approach azerbaijani russian earli centuri lezhgi form two khanat sovereignti azerbaijan and dagestan roam freeli sheep green hill and mountain two khanat lezghi area join czarist russia soviet rule disintegr soviet union lezghi face for time strict border half remain dagestan and half newli independ azerbaijan pai custom thi car wine complain mai talibov small trader good laid ground bazaar includ brandi stomach medic and plastic shoe dagestan want countri want move easili baku won listen physic hard for outsid distinguish lezhgi azerbaijani villag live side side work job and intermarri degre lezhgi distinct languag mixtur arab turkish and persian strong guttur vowel azerbaijan offici support cultur preserv largest ethnic minor lezghi weekli newspap and elementari school class languag autonomi question lezghi succeed separ azerbaijan set preced for minor such talish south tat nearbi mountain and avar eastern azerbaijan david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
talk.politics.mideast	turkei cypru bosnia serbia greec armenia azeri articl apr new uiowa edu mau herki uiowa edu mau napoleon write compromis invas cypru invol turkei greek polit refus turkei accept mile territori water state intern law properti greek konstantinopl ownership island greek lake aegean not long consequ greek request that thessaloniki not call solun bulgarian netter napoleon you write konstantinopl and not istanbul marek osinski
talk.politics.mideast	new you miss apr articl apr portho bellcor pyux bellcor feigenbaum benjamin write articl genesi mc arf genesi mc jack schmidl write new you miss apr not you busi israelist media spike intrepid isra soldier isra soldier sexual taunt arab women occupi gaza strip week long closur that seal palestinian jewish state palestinian sourc sundai incid occur town khan youni and involv soldier golani brigad centr hous hous raid for palestinian activist closur impos strip and occupi west bank you revolt thi drop israel friend email and you compuserv compuserv clintonpz aol america onlin clinton campaign org mci mail arf you tire learn american foreign polici effect isra control media highli recommend check washington report free sampl copi call american educ trust arf you your advic and order copi washinton report heartili recommend pro israel type for reason excel absorb excrement us line bottom parakeet cage neg side effect that bird somewhat warp view mideast make great april fool joke give noth middl east and april fool chutzpa react thi worth read object type you wrap your hate that you can even time edit long post for extra mileg repost
talk.politics.mideast	ten question israel center for polici research cpr subject ten question israel ten question isra thank you live israel provid accur answer specif question provoc question ask time and peopl true that isra author don recogn isra nation and that card isra citizen carri time identifi peopl jew arab not isra true that state israel fix border and that isra govern todai refus state ultim border state israel true that isra stock nuclear weapon you provid evid true that isra prison number individu secret and for ident date trial and imprison state secret true that jew resid occupi territori subject law jew true that jew left palestin war avoid war automat allow return christian neighbor not allow return true that israel prime minist rabin sign order for ethnic cleans todai bosnia herzegovina true that isra arab citizen not admit member kibbutzim true that isra law attempt discourag marriag jew and jew true that hotel hilton tel aviv built site muslim cemeteri elia davidsson iceland email elia ismennt
talk.politics.mideast	hama death articl apr nntpd lkg dec alaa peewe unx dec alaa zeineldin write tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write you brought separ question israel unjustifi polici and practic unclear your reaction practic and poloci reflect articl tim not separ question clock deceiv judg resist movement context occup alaa zeineldin plo move into lebanon and part lebanon occupi power practic common palestinean and palestinean alik simpli standard oper procedur palestinean and for long time fact greatest bloodbath palestinean will happen rule can you possibl deni thi plo occupi you blame jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	nazi eugen theori circul cpr unconvent peac thi man promot dissolut jew intermarriag process and that will bunch fundamentalist jew will object thi clown even call for bui dissolut jewish peopl thi idiot mean suggest that jew object imibicil notion thi fundamentalist simpli mean insult orthodox word fundamentalist not orthodox not fundamentalist desir genuin peac region thi pinhead davidsson can understand show willing dismiss entir cultur prove that thing brain boggl stupid willing displai stupid thi newsgroup your hatr for essenc judaism and shove your ass rememb pull your head
talk.politics.mideast	armenia shoot turkish plane articl apr rochest edu terziogl rochest edu esin terzioglu write articl apr kpc henrik quayl kpc write articl apr rochest edu terziogl rochest edu esin terzioglu write articl apr urartu sdpa org dbd urartu sdpa org david davidian write armenia shoot turkish plane ermenistan kasiniyor translat for public traslat servic get into armenia get itchi esin henrik clearifi turkish henrik armenia not get itchi simpli let world henrik that will longer sit quiet and turk henrik famou trick armenian rememb turkish henrik invas greek island cypress world simpli watch esin terzioglu your ignor obviou your post esin terzioglu cypru independ countri turkish greek inhabit not greek island your ignor post claim esin terzioglu name cypru english esin terzioglu time read and learn you post spell that you turk not want admit your past mistak you turkish invas cypru mistak and bad that not you mistak that greek not invad cypru respons shoot turkish airplan armenian air space ignor post person your countri turk and azeri consistantli want drag armenia into karabakh conflict azerbaijan karabakhi armenian live homeland for year cut armenia and azeri stalin directli involv conflict defend azeri aggress agress that merci for inoc peopl that costantli shell mig and oth russian aircraft last hope that insist that turkei stai karabakh crisi that repeat cypru invas will never occur
talk.politics.mideast	nazi eugen theori circul cpr unconvent peac articl qvi usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mark ira kaufman write thi man promot dissolut jew intermarriag process and that will bunch fundamentalist jew will object simpli mean insult orthodox word fundamentalist irrit mi label fundamentalist isn thi sort thing understand muslim resent put thi label tim
talk.politics.mideast	xsoviet armenia deni histor fact turkish genocid articl new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write hope unspeak crime armenian right armenian invad burn and sack fatherland not justifi wrong previou year bit such german repar jewish survivor holocaust such event into past repar becom realist convinc that warp sens world grandpar cold bloodedli extermin armenian and not and you can particip turkish genocid dai million turkish and kurdish peopl april unit state and canada thi occas onc reiter unquest justic restitut turkish and kurdish right and demand that soviet armenian govern admit respons for turkish and kurdish genocid render repar muslim peopl and return land right owner recognit genocid becom issu cannot delai and imper that artifici obstacl creat for polit manipul remov time come demand unit state that formal recogn turkish and kurdish genocid adopt principl demand and refus acced armenian pressur contrari taxpay unit state express vehement protest present govern polici continu coddl protect and unqualifi assist soviet armenia demand that unit state return polici advoc ambassador bristol and enlighten statesmen undertaken human and benevol attitud right muslim peopl and resolut case territori demand strictli aim soviet armenia and articl bac new servic uci edu you blatantli li goltz articl not publish sundai time magazin march guardian sundai section anxious await ci command pull troop karabagh elif kaban reuter correspond agdam report that battl wednesdai azeri buri score peopl di armenian overran town khojali second biggest azeri settlement area world turn back happen dy and you watch mourner shout group journalist helen womack independ armenian soldier massacr hundr flee famili attack kill soldier and volunt defend women and children turn gun terrifi refuge survivor describ happen that real slaughter began azer hajiev soldier surviv armenian shot and shot and and start carv peopl bayonet and knive year man had shot back walk brush open and peopl fall wife fell child thoma goltz sundai time armenian raid leav azeri dead flee khojali peopl kill tuesdai attack azerbaijani televis show truckload corps evacu khocali area brian killen reuter washington time atroc report horrifi azerbaijan azeri offici return thi town mile brought back dead children back head blown women and children had scalp assad faradzev aid karabagh azeri governor azeri televis show pictur truckload bodi brought azeri town agdam face appar scratch knive ey goug brian killen reuter washington time massacr armenian report republ armenia reiter denial that milit had kill azeri dozen bodi scatter area lent credenc azerbaijani report massacr reuter york time kill rife nagorno karabagh moldova journalist area report dozen corps includ civilian and azerbaijani offici armenian began shoot sought recov bodi fred hiatt washington post bodi mark site karabagh massacr local truce enforc azerbaijani collect dead and refuge hide hill and forest bodi ordinari peopl dress poor ugli clorh worker policeman and two appar nation volunt wear uniform rest civilian includ women and small children two group appar famili had fallen togeth children cradl women arm includ small girl had terribl head injuri face left survivor told armenian shoot point blank lai ground anatol lieven time london karabagh survivor flee mountain geyush gassanov deputi mayor khocali that armenian troop surround town tuesdai accompani six light tank and armour carrier thought bombard villag had past and retreat attack and defenc forc couldn tank survivor describ had fire repeatedli mountain safeti for two dai crawl avoid gunfir sukru aslanov daughter kill battl for khodjali and brother and son di road anatol lieven time london corps litter hill karabagh swoop low snow cover hill nagorno karabagh scatter corps appar refuge had shot ran suddenli thump azerbaijani helicopt had fire armenian anti aircraft post anatol lieven time london polic western azerbaijan had recov bodi azerbaijani kill fled armenian assault disput enclav nagorno karabagh and block recov bodi wall street journal exit troop attack nagorno karabagh withdraw halt armenian blame video footag and report khocali paint grim pictur widespread civilian death and mutil woman feet appear bound paul quinn judg boston globe serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	thousand armenian serv german armi and waffen articl apr eagl wesleyan edu kmagnacca eagl wesleyan edu write bad fact nazi armenian europ had establish vast network pro german collabor that extend two contin you call kettl black mind that turkish govern strong support nazi germani and plai vital role suppli oil alli invad iran complain armenian complic nazi good turkei plai bigger role kmagnacca you high arromdian asala sdpa arf you wrote that human behavior and toler turk legend even year ago accept ten thousand jew spain flee spanish inquisit jewish famili escap nazi armenian and hitler nazi germani refuge turkiy turkish peopl unselfishli home protect and freedom jew centuri includ thousand and thousand second world war life cup turkish coffe histori jew islam countri chapter part and jarusalem zalman shazar center for jewish histori baron salo social and religi histori jew york columbia univers press vol iii xviii benardet mair jose hispan cultur and charact 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head scientif institut and medic personnel hospit major jewish professor turkei ernst reuter german polit scientist spent war year teach polit scienc turkei world war mayor berlin berlin airlift fritz neimark major german jewish economist turkei and help establish modern school econom istanbul man name reichenbach rescu nazi turkei and spent war year turkei eventu ucla professor philosophi german jewish emigr engag cultur activ turkei such karl ebert had lead theatric produc berlin expel nazi turkei organ turkish nation theater and turkish nation opera compani ankara paul hindemuth section book cover thi phase jew persecut germani and rescu turkei oddli german emigr turkei not badli germani regard german jew and not join anti nazi activ local turkish jewish commun even found letter nazi repres turkei prais german jewish refuge for work promot idea german cultur even peopl had persecut nazi and rescu turk share nazi feel aryan racial superior turk second part book deal holocaust began nazi occupi franc europ that time and franc turkish jew had migrat europ for reason turn centuri onward had settl europ turkish war for independ world war greec threaten overrun turkei greek had persecut jew nineteenth centuri and jew fear happen greek turkei jew fled franc and abandon turkish citizenship and french citizen suddenli nazi invad franc and start introduc sort anti jewish law turkish jew found that not worth french jew that worth lot turkish jew turkei remain neutral world war retain embassi and consul nazi occupi countri final enter war side alli end war turkei posit defend citizen anti jewish measur and action that turkish diplomat form second chapter book turkish diplomat station franc interven protect jew turkish citizenship nazi for turkish jew had retain turkish citizenship gener problem arrest and concentr camp turkish diplomat commun command camp and offici and effect peopl turkish citizen you can thi and turkish jew releas busi confisc turkish diplomat protest and busi restor nazi gener want friendship turkei hope us turkei gatewai for invas middl east and want obtain chromium and manganes turkei order turkish friendship accept intervent behalf turkish jew turkish diplomat sometim concentr camp secur releas turkish jew time even board train haul turkish jew auschwitz for extermin and succeed get train foreign jew concentr camp place call dranci pari and that intercess turkish consul place greater problem turkish jew had abandon turkish citizenship and had becom french citizen consul couldn declar that peopl turkish citizen not book includ photograph jew line front turkish consul passport return turkei restor turkish citizenship thi bureaucrat matter process applic time meantim real emerg nazi arrest jew street for almost noth nazi even arrest had radio telephon apart radio and telephon forbidden jew care turkish jew turkish diplomat invent document call gayri muntazem vatandash irregular fellow citizen document effect thi person turkish citizen appli for restor turkish citizenship meantim you treat turkish citizen diplomat wrote document turkish and put seal sinc nazi not read turkish accept paper certif citizenship thi mean turkish diplomat rescu jew had relinquish turkish citizenship nazi two mind turkish defens jew hand nazi foreign ministri want retain friendship turkei favor accept intervent hand himmler and eichmann want jew extermin time himmler and eichmann prevail and turkish jew auschwitz turkish consul you statist turkish jew rescu turkish jew europ world war live franc inform thi section book relat situat franc publish letter that turkish consul nazi offici and letter that back repli gener nazi that turkish consul present document certifi that arrest individu turkish citizen and promis send franc nazi releas concentr camp turkish consul organ special train turkish jew nazi occupi territori back turkei train ran regularli and nazi gave turkish jew visa pass nazi territori train held nazi influenc govern eastern europ croatia serbia and bulgaria govern didn want jew escap result turkish consul effort turkish jew franc save anoth auschwitz di remain escap across border into spain fled area southern franc occupi italian treat jew nazi end itali fell war and that end for jew incident turkish diplomat nazi occupi greec work rescu jew that countri second part your book deal turkish diplomat act rescu jew turkish citizenship turkish origin nazi persecut and add intervent behalf turkish jew turk cite treati germani state that turkish citizen german territori treat german citizen turkei that basi turk maintain that nazi not discrimin turkish citizen jew nazi claim and vichi govern agre that not discrimin treat jew equal turkei protest you divid citizen religion turkish constitut requir that citizen treat equal religion you cannot singl turkish jew american consul pari contrast accept nazi argument and told american jew persecut nazi that couldn american jew treat jew part book take place turkei princip center holocaust for activ aim rescu eastern european jew kwish agenc organ establish jew palestin resettl jew palestin set offic istanbul leadership chaim barla jewish organ palestin kibbutz repres istanbul set headquart group contact jew eastern europ find happen todai holocaust that time peopl didn didn imagin nazi thing and step inform and turkish govern us turkish mail send letter rel and friend eastern europ jewish organ found happen receiv repli nazi began intercept such letter jew receiv assist vatican nuncio angelo roncali serv vatican repres istanbul and pope john xxiii vatican repres war us facil cathol church supplement turkish govern assist jewish agenc contact jew eastern europ cooper turkish govern agenc hard currenc food cloth and even railroad and steamship ticket jew czechoslovakia bulgaria romania and hungari weren poland nazi had wipe almost polish jew whenev rescu agenc arrang for jew eastern europ train call orient express rout istanbul boat black sea istanbul turkei not eager for refuge remain border war blockad and suffer terribl shortag food and cloth govern facilit movement turkish jewish refuge turkei palestin tauru express railroad mountain syria and palestin small boat across eastern mediterranean southern turkei palestin effort bitterli oppos not nazi british not want jewish immigr palestin fear hurt relat arab british constantli pressur turkish govern stop thi traffic and send jew back case turkish govern yield british pressur send boat back for exampl incid steamship struma jewish refuge romania back turkish govern result intervent british ambassador that ship sunk soviet submarin lost person nevertheless told turkish govern allow fewer eastern european jew pass turkish territori and move palestin second world war turkish author provid refuge facil and monei and gave permiss send monei and food countri jew pass turkei live israel and children return for moment group turkish jew europ not palestin stai turkei turkish eastern european jew pass turkei rout palestin stori interest and you rescu obscur studi made holocaust not focu eastern european middl eastern jew scholarship center western european jew million massacr nazi studi deal smaller number peopl round pictur and hope book will persuad scholar undertak investig histori eastern jew come number german jew rel small number million slain polish jew rescu eastern european jew not signific compar total million murder meant lot save fourth book consist document translat document includ stori not not peopl west unawar courag action turkish diplomat even peopl turkei not stori felt that not fulli understand thi remark achiev document languag us document turkish french hebrew great deal materi hebrew organ boat palestin passeng and not into detail extens describ turkei document turkish french document english jewish group istanbul not necessarili cooper anoth rescu jew fact fought anoth turn turkish govern deport rival group for exampl kibbutz group felt that jewish agenc run western european jew interest help western european jew final presid roosevelt person repres ira hirschman had execut bloomingdal depart store york citi and hirschman manag reconcil differ document relat mission english obtain document serg klarsfeld holocaust historian franc work french jew father kill nazi gave materi had gather german archiv turkish jew didn person consult german archiv that can learn german archiv and hope somedai will make effort thi book fit your teach doesn give histori jew ottoman empir gave two year ago addit research write and teach activ involv commemor anniversari come jew ottoman empir thing help organ larg intern confer subject held istanbul that your book finish and confer place you plan work two book histori turkish war for independ place world war year turk ward effort victori european power occupi turkei and end independ second book studi sultan abdul hamid last major sultan rule import modern suppress sort polit movement stanford shaw receiv histori and british histori shift eastern histori earn second and princeton doctor candid princeton spent two year abroad studi school orient and african studi univers london univers cairo american univers cairo and univers istanbul taught harvard come ucla postdoctor research support john simon guggenheim foundat american research institut turkei social scienc research council nation endow for human fulbright program and isop receiv honorari degre harvard univers and bosporu univers bebek istanbul turkei and medal honor for lifetim contribut field islam and turkish studi center for research islam histori art and cultur istanbul and american friend turkei washington addit undertak profession servic activ and public lectur unit state and turkei shaw produc book and edit volum histori ottoman empir and modem turkei vol publish edit six edit reprint and translat into turkish and french book jew ottoman empir and turkish republ macmillan london and york univers press will publish turkish translat turkish histor societi istanbul turkei and holocaust turkei role rescu turkish and european jewri nazi persecut will publish macmillan publish london and york univers press pamphlet summar book publish ankara turkei serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	massacr muslim popul karabag armenian articl apr kpc henrik quayl kpc write clearifi turkish armenia not get itchi simpli let world that will longer sit quiet and turk famou trick armenian rememb turkish invas greek island cypress world simpli watch and turkish karabag for cypru turkiy step into cypru preserv live turkish popul thi noth simpl histor fact intervent late for victim mass grave contain numer bodi women and children show fate had plan for peac minor problem cypru origin decad oppress turkish popul greek cypriot offici and violat founder statu turk set constitut coup etat engin greec execut final solut turkish problem savag blow that invok turkiy intervent turkiy interven reluctantli and last resort exhaust avenu consult britain and greec two signatori treati protect integr cypru simpli not expansionist motiv turkish action thi dramat contrast greek motiv openli expansionist state enosi union greec sinc creation independ cypru turkish popul smaller legal had statu founder republ greek popul greek cypriot support enosi mind greek mainland consist that statu and portrai island greek island minor popul turk turk cypru not minor greek republ and found show that assert autonomi separ republ turkiy not satisfi statu quo not involv island dismal record brutal greek oppress turkish popul cypru simpli cannot leav fate island turk hand greek turkish side satisfi accord two commun final reach guarante that histori will not repeat rob turkish cypriot right liberti and live sourc cypru tale island rizvi cypru greek cypriot premedit onslaught decemb turkish sector cypru complet besieg greek telephon telegraph and postal commun sector cut and turkish cypriot commun contact each and world prevent turkish quarter nicosia and suburb greek cypriot arm element broke into hundr turkish home and fire unarm occup automat weapon kill random turk includ women children and elderli person turk kill and wound carri hostag turk includ women and children forc walk bare foot and night dress across rough field and river bed cypru greek cypriot administr depriv turkish cypriot includ minist mp and turkish member public servic republ freedom movement report decemb secur council secretari gener state thi respect restrict free movement civilian major featur situat cypru sinc earli stage disturb restrict inflict consider hardship popul turkish cypriot commun and tension high cypru suppli petrol complet deni turkish section makario address secur council juli oust greek junta coup begin express sincer member secur council for great interest shown critic situat creat cypru coup organ militari regim greec and carri greek armi offic serv nation guard and command road travel south freedom north turkish woman wound and month babi riddl bullet automat weapon fire greek cypriot mobil patrol had ambush car mother and babi travel turkish region babi di mother arm thi wanton murder month babi shock foreign observ turkish commun not commit irrespons person member greek cypriot secur forc mother statement greek polic patrol had chase car and deliber fire serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
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adventur east rawlinson jonathan cape bedford squar london publish page memoir british offic wit armenian genocid million muslim peopl second paragraph had receiv definit inform horror that had commit armenian soldieri kar plain and had judg want disciplin treatment detach parti had wire tifli zivin that interest human armenian not left independ command moslem popul troop disciplin and not effect control atroc constantli commit for justic eventu held moral respons paragraph armenian troop pillag and destroi moslem villag plain caravan refuge meanwhil constantli arriv plain moslem popul flee person properti transport seek obtain secur and protect paragraph moslem villag plain below had search for arm armenian had cloak such search and not had moslem kill horribl tortur had inflict endeavour obtain inform valuabl had hidden armenian awar exist had unabl find paragraph shortli head miser column appear person men and women and children cart poni and donkei carri worldli possess sheep that drive leader interview bekir bei and told farther into hill cross frontier into turkei unmolest enemi paragraph armenian plain attack kurdish line artilleri larg forc support paragraph arriv thi british brigad announc that kar provinc had allot suprem council alli armenian and that announc made british troop complet withdrawn and armenian occup commenc troubl for armenian onc commenc wholesal robberi and persecut muslem popul pretext that forcibl depriv arm portion provinc li plain carri purpos and manner thi will refer due new turan new agenc baku azerbaijan brought you servic azerbaijan aydinlig associ box berkelei fax email farid mem odu edu azerbaijan govern appeal compatriot world refuge kelbajar perish escap lorri situat region kelbajar armenian armi continu attack fizuli press confer chief press servic presid azerbaijan azerbaijani picket front ministri foreign affair russia picket sadval moscow attack armenian unit stop statement ministri foreign affair azerbaijan azerbaijan govern appeal compatriot world baku april turan todai azerbaijan govern appeal azeri world connect escal armenian aggress republ stress appeal that experi year fight for independ imperi chain show grim process war azerbaijan pretenc protect human right armenian ukhari upper garabag meant destruct azeri villag and town occup percent territori thousand refuge addit thousand place thi price fight for liberti russian imperi rule document azerbaijan govern appeal compatriot make effort inform peopl world truth azerbaijan and assist solv problem face young state stress appeal that urgent for medicin food experienc doctor and financi settl refuge kelbajar fizuli and lachin region and render medic aid for sick and wound men refuge kelbajar perish escap lorri baku april turan todai evacu kelbajar region refuge board two lorri kill fire armenian tank road leav kelbajar press servic azerbaijan presid surviv tragedi situat region kelbajar baku april turan attempt evacu rest citizen encircl alpin villag region kelbajar last twenti hour evacu helicopt not land villag shell armenian side and exist fog measur undertaken air drop food and medicin encircl peopl hundr peopl succe last twenti hour region kelbajar mountain rang refuge settl neighbor region azerbaijan and ganja author face problem render refuge medic aid and food number refuge kelbajar peopl azerbaijan not capabl handl disast thi magnitud armenian armi continu attack fizuli baku april turan region fizuli azerbaijan situat territori daglig nagorno garabag subject heaviest attack armenian armi for fourth dai armor techniqu and soldier enemi take part attack armenian unit broke defenc line azeri forc and occupi rule height town shell grad instal thi morn heavi destruct town and peopl dead popul town hastili evacu press confer chief press servic presid azerbaijan baku april turan fifti thousand refuge region kelbajar clock april inform chief press servic presid azerbaijan arif aliev todai journalist inform press confer that intern red cross help accept and render refuge medic aid urgent suppli refuge tent food and medic aid arif aliev inform that result ongo tragedi brought latest aggress armenia leadership azerbaijan intend appeal azerbaijani and treasur human life world for reaction intern commun aggress armenia aliev depart state usa express anxieti leadership armenia particip peac effort daglig nagorno garabag csce rafaelli mareska and chetin strongli blame aggress armenia azerbaijan leader press servic inform that tomorrow ambassador azerbaijan russia hikmet haji zade will conduct press confer moscow detail inform latest event region kelbajar azerbaijan will press confer azerbaijani picket front ministri foreign affair russia baku april turan azerbaijani live moscow picket front build ministri foreign affair russia picket conduct token protest particip russian unit captur region kelbajar azerbaijan armenian peopl part picket organ azerbaijani societi dayag picket sadval moscow baku april member sadval societi picket build perman represent azerbaijan moscow picket demand return lezghin land annex azerbaijan ambassador azerbaijan moscow hikmet haji zade classifi thi action provoc aim creat inter ethnic conflict azerbaijan mark talk turan correspond that not rule connect armenian aggress region kelbajar and thi anti azerbaijani action sadval societi moscow mark that peopl not mean lezghian nation societi lezghin sadval regist moscow demand creation lezghistan state never exist northern territori azerbaijan attack armenian unit stop baku april turan attack armenian armi town fizuli began last twenti hour stop inform press servic ministri defenc azerbaijan result undertaken measur tank and number attack destroi advanc unit armenian armi retreat kilomet chairman parliament isa gambar visit town fizuli and met command unit nation armi and local citizen todai statement ministri foreign affair azerbaijan baku april turan ministri foreign affair azerbaijan issu statement connect aggress armenia region kelbajar azerbaijan state statement that regular unit arm forc armenia captur town kelbajar april attack armenian unit began march deep territori azerbaijan continu armenia occupi present territori azerbaijan spread armenian aggress ukhari upper garabag prove that armenian azerbaijani conflict enter special danger phase thi result recognit armenia aggressor intern commun mark document stress statement that unit russian armi particip armenian attack thi cast doubt sincer russian mediat effort find peac solut conflict mark conclus that aggress action armenia wreck negoti process aegi csce document contain appeal world commun stop armenian aggress and us polit and econom sanction aggressor serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
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talk.politics.mideast	armenia shoot turkish plane articl apr kpc henrik quayl kpc write articl apr rochest edu terziogl rochest edu esin terzioglu write respons shoot turkish airplan armenian air space ignor post person your countri turk and azeri consistantli want drag armenia into karabakh conflict azerbaijan karabakhi armenian live homeland for year cut armenia and azeri stalin directli involv conflict defend azeri aggress agress that merci for inoc peopl that costantli shell mig and oth russian aircraft last hope that insist that turkei stai karabakh crisi that repeat cypru invas will never occur armenia involv fight azarbaijan armenian soldier mainland armenia that shell town azarbaijan you read whether not azeri aggress that region that armenian organ success militarili and shell azeri town repeatedli don into cypru discuss turkei had interven and perhap intervent not suppos last for long constant refus greek govern island and greec deal realiti blame for ongo standoff region lastli not soc cultur armenia vote for free regard deniz
talk.politics.mideast	turkei cypru bosnia serbia greec armenia azeri messag apr new uiowa edu napoleon respond napoleon pano tamamidi you put turk bear respons thing happen todai that hard for object come conflict countri you cannot blame side bad gui side you anatolia you your coupl million greek live asia minor had protect not that you take advantag weak ottoman empir grab land you green light alli forc you occupi izmir and citi western turkei you kill and rape million peopl reason you paid price mustafa kemal ataturk made you swim aegean sea not your aggress turkei anytim past not you reward and not you anywher not that conflict start that not side aggress and ither suffer sad that not compromis rememb action turkish govern remov visa requir for greek come turkei thought posit attempt make relat compromis invas cypru invol turkei greek polit refus turkei accept mile territori water state intern law properti greek konstantinopl ownership island greek lake aegean compromis you talk cypru that not greec busi join island greec that peopl island live not live togeth made decis and live separet peac greek can slaughter turk anymor turkish peacemak forc your dream will never come true mile territorialwat you joke dream can declar mile territori water can come close athen you you gut don you shoot turkish ship your dream mile territori water not citi call konstantinopl citi call istanbul greek istanbul treat turk differ peopl turkei you your backyard talk human right turkei right turk greec noth not even basic human right properti fredom religion fredom press fredom vote elect commun leader govern greec publicli encourag peopl destroi and burn school religi place hous and farm belong turkish minor greek govern forc minor turkei you will dream aegean sea greek lake will never happen war turkei and greec river call sakarya flood dai fill blood greek mention wouldn talk educ peopl never met bad person turkei polit not busi and not busi turk come individu hatr person support polici turkish gover directli indirecli bad person not your nation that make you bad your support action your gover that make you bad peopl not hate you you you you support polici turkish gover and such you pai price you mean that person support action and polici govern greec good person that your greek idea turk bad peopl and proud turk anywher world that not greek busi kind peopl you not posit judg peopl you not civil give equal right your minor million minor treat class citizen right and voic govern greec almost treat slave even get into centuri not make laught you that make that kind brainwash greec educ person treat person nation can you your histori book and thing you learn greek turkish encount your school easi you not brainwash turn peopl turk greek arat slav kurd and peopl had luck turkish occup will talk you murder rape distruct you not learn turk histori book you learn peopl experienc hand turkish friendli govern greec activ support terror turkei armenian and kurdish terrorist headquart athen train special camp greec taught kill innoc women and children thi not claim thi fact world conlus you action murder rape destroi innoc peopl not you you not posit talk human right and digniti your govern govern greec activ support atroc bosnia serb barbar pleas your govern napoleon twice you write turk and turkei you worst human condit and treatment minor fri govern not respect human right support terror turkei barbar action bosnia treat turkish minor class citizen and right treat slave begin centuri aykut atalai atakan napoleon
talk.politics.mideast	joke and intern relat articl apr freenet carleton freenet carleton suat kiniklioglu kubilai kultigin wrote bugunlerd jewish joke muhabbetlerinden esinlenerek sunu yazayim dedim israel divert jewish lobbi greek for exampl persuad that support armenian resolut senat februari sour turco isra relat addit isra embassi washington activ ensur that resolut fail for instanc assist turkish jew travel wahington underlin affin israel and turkei doubt debt turkei felt ow israel thi matter even month solut for consider enior member turkish foreign ministri countri grate israel cooper view refelect matur bilater relationship experi armenian issu convinc senior figur turkei that pro israel network washington can deliv desir result robin philip turkei and middl east chathm hous paper paper not fast you warp sens logic you tell that israel wish good relat turkei even expens armenian armenia make bad for turk racist joke jew can infer israel had poor relat turkei alright post such horribl joke jew you impress david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
talk.politics.mideast	account anti armenian human violat azerbaijan articl apr freenet carleton freenet carleton suat kiniklioglu kubilai kultigin write david give rest will you increasingli annoi barbar annoi for you isn come countri azerbaijan that claim turkei number alli protector and mentor david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
talk.politics.mideast	armenia shoot turkish plane articl apr kpc henrik quayl kpc write stuff delet countri turk and azeri consistantli want drag armenia into karabakh conflict azerbaijan gimm break capit letter not pure nonsens that short sight armenian escal hostil hope that turkei will stai stop and for moment will you armenia doesn drag into conflict part karabakhi armenian live homeland for year cut armenia and azeri stalin directli involv conflict defend azeri aggress huh you didn expect azeri friendli forc fight border last hope that insist that turkei stai karabakh crisi that repeat cypru invas will never occur you not plai full deck you turkei invad you throw cypru buzzword header hope that greek netter will jump gun turkei militari prowess interven wish had diplomat power stop hostil and bring parti negoti tabl that hard armenian attack azeri town armenian leader lack statesmanship recogn futil arm conflict and convinc nation that compromis that lead stabil militari fait accompli that incess skirmish year line newli independ countri develop econom and wipe peopl will neighbor not bad blood minim you belong armenian diaspora mind that strike your fanci map cost local armenian dearli term blood and futur easi comfort abroad and propagand crazi your feel turk tickl armenian armenia and will peopl you hate neighbor for year sooner peac region for and push for compromis you hit cap lock and spread inflammatori half truth cheer
talk.politics.mideast	isra soldier you joke dark for occupi isra soldier terrorist kill year nativ child two fasten arm shoot face and write fals report similar idea ussr milition place electr lamp answer stai tabl and hold lamp hold tabl and turn and run tabl opposit direct not make feel bad turn pitili lack thi kind dark humour nick msg mind signatur smth albert
talk.politics.mideast	armenia shoot turkish plane articl apr sol ctr columbia edu deniz mandolin ctr columbia edu deniz akku write articl apr kpc henrik quayl kpc write articl apr rochest edu terziogl rochest edu esin terzioglu write henrik respons shoot turkish airplan henrik armenian air space ignor post henrik person your countri turk and azeri consistantli want henrik drag armenia into karabakh conflict azerbaijan henrik karabakhi armenian live homeland for henrik year cut armenia and azeri stalin henrik directli involv conflict defend henrik azeri aggress agress that merci henrik for inoc peopl that costantli shell mig and henrik oth russian aircraft henrik last hope that insist that turkei stai henrik karabakh crisi that repeat cypru invas will henrik never occur armenia involv fight azarbaijan armenian soldier mainland armenia that shell town azarbaijan thi your opinion turkish azeri can bark want sinc untru you gui never brought armenia involv karabakhi armenian had had heavi loss you read whether not azeri aggress that region that armenian organ success militarili and shell azeri town repeatedli read york time that publish anti armenian articl nop resourc aggress turk azeri past armenian not gona sit and watch fire work azeri taught turk that armenian organ success militarili and shell azeri town repeatedli buch senc crap and you hell you you talk azeri fight local armenian nagarno karabakh you mig freedom fighter nagarno karabakh azerbaijan will for last time armenia not involv thi war and you gui want bring thi order cover turkish involv karabakh ahead repeat you want don into cypru discuss turkei had interven and perhap intervent not suppos last for long constant refus greek govern island and greec deal realiti blame for ongo standoff region not chanc you can not convinc base your reason that your govern thing invad cypru lastli not soc cultur armenia vote for free not posit agre disadre you
talk.politics.mideast	armenia shoot turkish plane henrik articl apr kth hilmi dsv hilmi eren respons henrik quayl kpc wrote armenian nagarno karabagh simpli defend right homeland and azeri that invad territorium homeland nagarno karabagh armenian homeland todai fizuli lacin and villag azerbadjan homeland can you great armenia dream thi greater armenia stretch karabakh black sea mediterranean you us term greater armenia us care facist method kill rape and bomb villag last move blast truck kurdish refuge escap lacin citi that kurd armenian azeri end announc win karabakh remov armenian presid azerbaijan elchibei power last year announc swim lake sevan armeniaxn juli wrong elchibei shell armenian karabakh aghdam peopl will pai price elchibei shell karabakh fizuli peopl will pai price elchibei think can bomb armenia hill kelbajar peopl will pai price azeri minor azerbaijan understood line thi process forc azerif deport situat lezgian kurd kurd azerbaijani govern kurd azerbaijan can make mind kurd azeri want kurd and thi kurd refuge stori stori simpl fabric sourc baku modifi ankara exampl thi armenia border iran and ridicul stori intercept armenian militari convers appear york time supposedli translat unknown armenian into azeri turkish submit unnam special correspond time baku real accur hope that armenian will forc turkish airplan land for purpos search for arm similar that happen last summer turkei search american plane carri humanitarian aid bound armenia henrik turkish plane shot question ask don speak thing you don american cargo plane head armenia turkish author announc that search cargo plane plane return base germani plane search turkei content plane not hard guess not humanitarian aid your fact error shipment kind that transvers turkei search rout confisc american plane search rout untouch rail shipment held last fall and last winter enter armenian turkei for purpos aid econom collaps armenia wheat confisc shipment exchang crap and dirt ship armenia plane don us turkish air base base bomb iraq plane can fly georgia found easier endur unnecessari express turkish chauvin search cargo thi dai not reveal paranoid turkish militari search turkish plane you don you talk sinc content announc weapon big mouth ozal militari weapon provid azerbaijan turkei demirel and you confus turkei govern announc that give weapon azerbadjan sinc armenia start attack azerbadjan not karabag provinc search plane for weapon sinc content announc weapon you correct turkish plane simpli shot nice slow move air transport david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
talk.politics.mideast	jew islam frankenstien found jewish peopl imag and creativ jewish religion foundat for christian and islam word judaism father religion islam turn father iron that communizem threat almost religion war rais thought idea believ god unit man kind come jew and islam god god ebrahim kill each thi frankenstien stori you stop thi happen you deal muslim nuke distroi world god mad sinc you kill follow you god heaven and hell peaceful end thi saga man kind religion sinc set rule and regul societi healthi state religion set rule peopl experienc and work for societi prai sole healthi and medit god not care for man kind prai man kind hope that god will prai religion work moral issu and try put materialist thing life religi leader make live religion corrupt turn make live muslim pai percent incom mullah guess rabi get cut that religion such that planet earth respect each good each help anoth respect mother natur that heaven and hell creat earth act that todai that man good and bad choos will outcom choic can prevent man kind crazi religion can stop anoth religi kill field poor god name your thought you man kind come sens late side you that mose god mount sina god top mountain creat earth anywher top mountain peopl thought god you reach ski heaven god come back middl east creat god imagin that jewish peopl told god chosen profit mohammad marri khadijeh jewish taught trade taught judaism quran copi taurah testement you god wrote quran makeh trade citi islam you made center islam world mohammad want expand trade busi that god put hous thi religi stuff man kind hurt not wise david koresh that turn afraid bigger scale jew and muslim will end religion need sens peopl harmoni and good thing plot each distruct earth life and god man kind good each god peac
talk.politics.mideast	armenia shoot turkish plane articl apr kpc henrik quayl kpc write articl new iastat edu oyalcin iastat edu onur yalcin write cancellum onur yalcin secondli island name correctli spell onur yalcin cypru never greek home onur yalcin commun societi form greek and turk that onur yalcin you histori and demographi onur yalcin island you essenc turkei onur yalcin militari intervent intern agreement commun societi not greec invad cypru henrik your ignor manifest awkward form intransig not spend time review you recent histori cypru you interest can provid you number refer issu send email for that onur yalcin that analog act occup onur yalcin histori and todai azerbaijani land can onur yalcin drawn expansionist polici that armenia pursu buch crap and you nagarno karabagh part armenia and stalin gave azeri back and review histori armenian nagarno karabagh simpli defend right homeland and azeri that invad teritori onur yalcin agre that not for issu diagnos onur yalcin polit conduct countri and promulg such onur yalcin terminolog itchi bitchi not that state relax you swing fist into open air agre you assum that your point that you not state you not us agre that easili hope that armenian will forc turkish airplan land for purpos search for arm similar henrik you don hope that that happen last summer turkei search american plane carri humanitarian aid bound armenia that french plane chang rout avoid inspect onur yalcin oyalcin iastat edu punto piu
talk.politics.mideast	turkei cypru bosnia serbia greec armenia azeri articl apr new uiowa edu mau herki uiowa edu mau napoleon write articl qvgu inn lynx unm edu osinski chtm eec unm edu marek osinski not long consequ greek request that thessaloniki not call solun bulgarian netter napoleon you write konstantinopl and not istanbul marek osinski thessaloniki call thessaloniki inhabit for last year citi never call solun inhabit instabul call konstantinoupoli that year peopl aliv todai born citi call konstantinoupoli peopl you that born citi call solun napoleon you peopl born istanbul call konstantinopoli don peopl us us understand open map todai that polit you will that name citi print istanbul don give argument konstantinopoli flame make polit statement tankut atan tankut iastat edu achtung babi
talk.politics.mideast	ten question israel articl igc apc org cpr igc apc org center for polici research write ten question arab countri thank you live arab countri provid accur answer specif question provoc question ask time and peopl true that arab countri don recogn isra nation that peopl isra stamp passport can enter arab countri true that arab countri such jordan and syria undefin border and that arab govern todai refus state ultim border state true that arab countir refus sign chemic weapon convent treati pari true that arab prison number individu secret and for ident date trial and imprison state secret true that arab countri syria harbor nazi war crimin and refus extradit true that arab countri saudi arabia prohibit women drive car true that jew resid muslim countri subject law muslim true that arab countri confisc properti entir jewish communit forc flee anti jewish riot true that israel prime minist rabin sign chemic weapon treati that arab nation will sign true that syrian jew requir leav deposit leav countri and longer allow emmigr despit promis made hafez assad georg bush true that jew muslim land requir pai special tax for jew true that intercontinent hotel jerusalem built jewish cemetari road pave grave site and graveston us jordanian latrin cheesi and inappropri post list bias lead question inform impli davidsson question highli mislead adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	ten question israel articl igc apc org cpr igc apc org center for polici research write center for polici research cpr subject ten question israel ten question isra thank you live israel provid accur answer specif question provoc question ask time and peopl true that isra author don recogn isra nation and that card isra citizen carri time identifi peopl jew arab not isra hebrew express us card specif state page ezrachut yisrealit isra citizen thi true for isra citizen matter ethnic unit state offici form race caucasian black amerindian etc true that state israel fix border and that isra govern todai refus state ultim border state israel funni number map and fix border true that isra stock nuclear weapon you provid evid true that isra prison number individu secret and for ident date trial and imprison state secret apart mordechai vanunu had trial close door espionag case nutti professor ne ziona biolog institut mole camera wouldn exactli call state secret trial simpli close door hate disappoint you unit state number espionag case camera true that jew resid occupi territori subject law jew not jew isra citizen jordanian law effect west bank knesset pass law that isra law bind isra citizen resid west bank citizen jew isra muslim druze isra christian noth religion true that jew left palestin war avoid war automat allow return christian neighbor not allow return regist jew muslim christian return you confus thi censu june west bank six dai war thi instanc arab not physic present couldn resid west bank had vist jordan true that israel prime minist rabin sign order for ethnic cleans todai bosnia herzegovina not even you drown bourbon scotch brandi true that isra arab citizen not admit member kibbutzim not true minor isra arab live kibbutzim hand ag wouldn admit kibbutz famili join not that thrill place kibbbutz movement place candid rigor membership criteria isra jew not admit true that isra law attempt discourag marriag jew and jew religi statu quo israel marriag and divorc handl religi court rabbanut handl marriag and divorc for jew muslim shaaria court for muslim christian denomin religi court and druze court entir religi establish jewish muslim druze christian that true that hotel hilton tel aviv built site muslim cemeteri adjac muslim cemetari heard and feedback muslin net sanctiti cemetari not held that sancrosanct held jew current isra ministri trade and industri agron road jerusalem hous hotel that built arab site arab cemetari josh backon vm huji elia davidsson iceland email elia ismennt
talk.politics.mideast	armenia shoot turkish plane articl mucit apr vein rochest edu mucit rochest edu bulent murtezaoglu write articl apr kpc henrik quayl kpc write stuff delet henrik countri turk and azeri consistantli want drag armenia into henrik karabakh conflict azerbaijan gimm break capit letter not pure nonsens that short sight armenian escal hostil armenian karabakh simpli defend want lai arm and azeri walk hope that turkei will stai stop and for moment will you armenia doesn drag into conflict part armenian knew begin that turk fulli engag train azeri militarili fight karabakhi armenian henrik karabakhi armenian live homeland for henrik year cut armenia and azeri stalin henrik directli involv conflict defend henrik azeri aggress huh you didn expect azeri friendli forc fight border histori sad rememb reloc azeri into armenian land karabakh stalin regim henrik last hope that insist that turkei stai henrik karabakh crisi that repeat cypru invas will never henrik occur you not plai full deck you turkei invad not specul turkei step into armenia you throw cypru buzzword header hope that greek netter will jump gun absolut not emphas that case histori repeat turkei militari prowess interven wish had diplomat power stop hostil and bring parti negoti tabl that hard armenian attack azeri town understand plain word you turkei peac end thi conflict not will attack you you gun point your head you sit and watch defend yoursef fat chanc you rememb azeri armenian baku barberian act mother and children mean burn peopl aliv armenian leader lack statesmanship recogn futil arm conflict and convinc nation that compromis that lead stabil militari fait accompli that incess skirmish armenian karabakh want peac and republ not ask simpli want back and azeri stalin year line newli independ countri develop econom and wipe peopl will neighbor not bad blood minim don wrong want peac solut conflict azeri realiz that armenian karabakh will defend aggres you belong armenian diaspora mind that strike your fanci map cost local armenian dearli term blood and futur you take turn armenia intens grab land azerbaijan armenian karabakh simpli defend solut set easi comfort abroad and propagand crazi your feel turk tickl armenian armenia and will peopl you hate neighbor for year sooner peac region for and push for compromis you hit cap lock and spread inflammatori half truth not decid peac initi absolut for meantim you not care you will wipe such case era armenian massacr
talk.politics.mideast	flame and jewish home palestin articl rxh ljy imag maler vercor imag od maler write articl hjbc boni boni jake boni boni jake livni write typic arab think guilti for you nabil jewish tribe not suscept fratricid murder that common arab middl east kill jewish tribe don thi comment typic think you state your interpret exodu read exodu can lot kill paint author bibl ideolog religi color histori desert can etho nomad peopl occupi land that great book descend arab turk and mongol can unifi you miss nabil comment even you includ your followup number arriv holi land substanti ud harsh desert and kill jewish tribe not awar kill jewish tribe desert point typic think that arab todai act manner you describ nomad peopl occupi land kill and plunder each regular progress time not surpris that arab accus infidel thing that quit familiar civil right violat religi discrimin ethnic cleans land theft tortur and murder precis thi mechan work that lead peopl that jewish tribe kill each desert even support for such ludicr suggest jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	yigal aren danger human articl sdck new cso uiuc edu eshneken cso uiuc edu edward shnekendorf write come not arab sympathet palestinian war israel wouldn bet arab govern gener don care palestinean and struggl find for polit purpos back home happi leav palestinean larg isra control that leav job control isra isra don thi job king hussein jordan like and manag kill rate thousand per month start intifada jordan govern syria lebanon and egypt feel similarli proclaim public support for palestinean war israel deflect critic deep problem home and lend air legitimaci even brutal arab tyrant arab peopl aren sympathet palestinean shown willing destabil and plunder jordan lebanon and kuwait and view suspicion you sympathi war israel suspect that arab remov border israel kuwait morroco couldn care jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	isra soldier kill child jle great write jle occupi isra soldier terrorist jle kill year nativ child jle jle two fasten arm shoot face jle and write fals report coupl month ago jle wrote terribl program never pass compil thi describ jle great cut and save jle includ stdio includ signal defin loser defin childish defin unhumorist defin vulgar defin mossad agent defin loser childish unhumorist vulgar mossad agent static void abort printf even want jle mother couldn abort thi program printf void main signal sigint abort printf thi program not jewish arab relat printf hit abort infinit loop jle never come world cut compil thi wonderfool program unix machin jle jle make jle type jle your prompt work great tsiel tsiel ohayon jcpl you not receiv thi mail employ not opinion two percent almost noth
talk.politics.mideast	ten question israel backon vm huji write articl igc apc org cpr igc apc org center for polici research write true that isra prison number individu secret and for ident date trial and imprison state secret apart mordechai vanunu had trial close door espionag case nutti professor ne ziona biolog institut mole camera wouldn exactli call state secret trial simpli close door hate disappoint you unit state number espionag case camera case john pollard
talk.politics.mideast	jew islam frankenstien your articl cut margin will and answer can read articl ssqe dp odin corp sgi kaveh gate koi corp sgi kaveh smith write found jewish peopl imag and creativ jewish religion foundat for christian and islam word judaism father religion islam turn father iron that communizem threat almost religion war rais thought idea believ god unit man kind come jew and islam god god ebrahim kill each thi frankenstien stori you stop thi happen you deal muslim nuke distroi world god mad sinc you kill follow you god heaven and hell peaceful end thi saga judaism not father islam had prophet judaism ignor prophet prophet includ jesu christ christian and muslim and moham idea believ god unit peopl note that christian and islam reflect fact that peopl view and right christian and muslim state each religion man kind religion sinc set rule and regul societi healthi state religion set rule peopl experienc and work for societi prai sole healthi and medit god not care for man kind prai man kind hope that god will prai religion work moral issu and try put materialist thing life religi leader make live religion corrupt turn make live muslim pai percent incom mullah guess rabi get cut suppos pai incom necess paid note that thi person basi you poor pai quit contrari thi monei poor each countri and poor muslim world thi monei not requir human sens muslim never knock your door for monei and make list mosqu make you paid and sure don pass monei basket prayer servic that religion such that planet earth respect each good each help anoth respect mother natur that heaven and hell creat earth act that todai that man good and bad choos will outcom choic can prevent man kind crazi religion can stop anoth religi kill field poor god name your thought you man kind come sens late side you that mose god mount sina god top mountain creat earth anywher top mountain peopl thought god you reach ski heaven god come back middl east creat god imagin that jewish peopl told god chosen god presenc earth sinc god god show sign exist place can not for god shown sign exist and not profit mohammad marri khadijeh jewish taught trade taught judaism quran copi taurah testement you god wrote quran makeh trade citi islam you made center islam world mohammad want expand trade busi that god put hous qur not copyright taurah muslim that taurah bibl and qur origin contain messag similiar taurah and bibl translat into languag chang mean time translat reflect person view translat qur exist languag that reveal arab that mankind not chang mean reveal moham that time scientif fact not discov tradit scientif method such develop babi mother womb thi religi stuff man kind hurt not wise david koresh that turn afraid bigger scale jew and muslim will end god for will turn hope won that happen will god religion need sens peopl harmoni and good thing plot each distruct earth life and god man kind good each god peac send thi mail can read rest you and god steve
talk.politics.mideast	armenia shoot turkish plane articl apr kpc henrik quayl kpc write articl mucit apr vein rochest edu mucit rochest edu bulent murtezaoglu write henrik countri turk and azeri consistantli want drag armenia into henrik karabakh conflict azerbaijan gimm break capit letter not pure nonsens that short sight armenian escal hostil henrik armenian karabakh simpli defend henrik want lai arm and azeri walk new report locat and motiv wise cap don chang fact hope that turkei will stai stop and for moment will you armenia doesn drag into conflict part henrik armenian knew begin that turk fulli engag henrik train azeri militarili fight karabakhi armenian thi point break into cap and start talk defens etc don fulli engag turkei henrik karabakhi armenian live homeland for henrik year cut armenia and azeri stalin henrik directli involv conflict defend henrik azeri aggress huh you didn expect azeri friendli forc fight border henrik histori sad rememb reloc azeri into henrik armenian land karabakh stalin regim hear thi justifi bloodsh year fact henrik last hope that insist that turkei stai henrik karabakh crisi that repeat cypru invas will never henrik occur you not plai full deck you turkei invad henrik not specul turkei step henrik into armenia turkei that you not realiz that thi local clash that turkei never wish happen turkei plan for region econom reviv oper etc good stuff word happi bicker armenian trade barrier and such usenet kill detest and wouldn you throw cypru buzzword header hope that greek netter will jump gun henrik absolut not emphas that henrik case histori repeat even bui into your implicit premis sane thing not provok turkei democrat govern bunch idiot athen time stai home famili into cypru quarrel suspect not accur palat parti involv turkei militari prowess interven wish had diplomat power stop hostil and bring parti negoti tabl that hard armenian attack azeri town henrik understand plain word you turkei henrik peac end thi conflict not you want war death and destruct henrik will you you henrik attack you you gun point henrik your head you sit and watch defend yoursef fat chanc thi kind childish rhetor doesn anth henrik you rememb azeri armenian baku henrik barberian act mother and children mean henrik burn peopl aliv azeri will come and give descript similar stuff perpetr armenian hash stuff thi hatr aliv armenian leader lack statesmanship recogn futil arm conflict and convinc nation that compromis that lead stabil militari fait accompli that incess skirmish henrik armenian karabakh want peac and republ henrik not ask simpli want back henrik and azeri stalin aren get anywher current method ask not peac year line newli independ countri develop econom and wipe peopl will neighbor not bad blood minim henrik don wrong want peac solut henrik conflict azeri realiz that armenian henrik karabakh will defend aggres don you want solut want exchang slogan peac isn happen happen isn condus peac you can spend dai and night rave armenian posit and happi talk you argu side entrench posit lead war and peopl want peac sit and talk compromis armenia isn strong exercis and bomb want style foreign relat you can type stalin cap and give side atroc stori etc for peac you will talk side you person can choos not that thi usenet peopl power shouldn childish you belong armenian diaspora mind that strike your fanci map cost local armenian dearli term blood and futur henrik you take turn armenia intens henrik grab land azerbaijan armenian karabakh henrik simpli defend solut set azeri disagre you thi and map support doesn like that solut will reach thi manner easi comfort abroad and propagand crazi your feel turk tickl armenian armenia and will peopl you hate neighbor for year sooner peac region for and push for compromis you hit cap lock and spread inflammatori half truth henrik not decid peac initi absolut henrik for didn read your post that you can spew mi inform boogei man you can talk avoid nasti fair henrik meantim you not care henrik you will wipe such case era henrik armenian massacr you don realiz can thing turkish massacr boi and girl talk bad and nasti thing that overwhelm anger and that kid will hate sound crazi doesn don
talk.politics.mideast	new brief articl sehari vincent iastat edu farzin apollo ntt farzin mokhtarian write kayhan havai namaki deputi minist health state that infant mortal year iran per thousand revolut per thousand end last month cheghadr namakand wait teenag kill namaki state that revolut children receiv vaccin protect deseas thi figur reach end huh visit mahathir mohammad prime minist malaysia iran agreement for cooper area industri trade educ and tourism sign agreement iran will charg build malaysia natur ga network yup iri grant great deal reconstruct hous and build war torn area malaysia khak sareshoon industri construct and unemploi youth and give monei malaysia iranian can and farzin mokhtarian mash javad
talk.politics.mideast	basil opinion water brain articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu hasan mcrcim mcgill edu write articl apr nysernet org astein nysernet org alan stein write guess hasan final reveal sourc claim that israel divert water lebanon imagin alan stein astein israel nysernet org water head never that israel divert lebanes river fact that israel into southern lebanon make that water us lebanes side that water run into jordan river israel will us head post hard evid fact difficult you not bother substanti thi basil you evid that support thi can imagin new report ancient time hasan had write newsflash cairo ancient press israel todai deni egypt acc red sea typic displai israelit agress leader israelit slave revolt princ mose part red sea action estim caus irrepar damag environ egyptian author that thousand fisherman deni livelihood part water pharaoh brave chariot success gloriou attempt water red sea return normal state suffer heavi casualti hasan shai gudai stealth bomber softwar engin think machin corp wing ninja ski cambridg
talk.politics.mideast	turkei cypru bosnia serbia greec armenia azeri aykut busload greek turist that torch and peopl bui di happen year ago instanbul greek island imbro and tenedo not allow church momama turkei turn church into warehous pictur pontian greek trapezounta and sampsounta you call trabzon and sampson spoke thousand year alod languag left that speek islamicis start anoth flamefest and you start quot argic hard thing for not equip nevertheless turk greec badli mistreat come elect two not two repres greek govern come free absolut free hospit and educ turk turkei you shout until you can move greec and enjoi privileg forget for you studi foreign univers poor shod tile earth sweat btw aziz nessin write poetri read stuff gui that wrote mountain tayro respond kindli last two question interest find book two peopl yeian kai eytyxeian opinion express angelo karageorgi mine mine miiinn miiinneee aaaarrgghhhh live long prosper carrier and mail can and will us manner whatsoev repost publicis part messag messag you disagre exercis your freedom speech and don send
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl bce new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write articl apr yuma acn colost edu lanc colost edu write not terrorist camp you and isra view villag small commun kid plai soccer street women prepar lunch men plai card etc young men ag year member lebanes resist even inhabit villag not secret peopl suspect and young men support financi iran time sneak arm and ammunit into occupi zone set boobi trap for isra patrol time isra soldier kill injur trap israel retalli indiscrimin bomb villag choos kill innoc civilian thi and true method util guerilla and terrorist group conduct oper midst local populac forc oppos state harm innoc civilian search order avoid death civilian abandon search peopl us popul for cover blaim for drag innoc civilian into harm you suggest that guerilla us popul for cover israel total back easiest attack anoth us innoc shield and hope that respect innoc live tim guerilla wrong assum that civilian for cover not kill soldier countri buffer zone prevent attack israel not work neccessari for isra gun pound lebanes villag not kill infiltr buffer zone you shell villag call retali get back get even doesn make sens shell villag show reckless disregard isra govern for live civilian israel insist that call secur zone for protect northern israel will pai price occup blood soldier israel interest peac withdraw land bit attack israel neighbor arab state can start hope for thi happen will occur arab state show that prepar respons and duti stop guerilla attack israel soil prove provid guarate israel accept word not past attitud toler anti israel guerilla resid israel not will accept word imho busi wast time come peac talk written thi newsgroup that real solut will come result comprehens peac settlement israel withdraw border and peac keep troop station border insur side border shell good lord brad not basil basil intellig person and respect write basil person that gladli call friend not lebanes suspect thi realist solut time for israel realiz that concept buffer zone aim protect northern citi fail fact caus isra death occasion shell northern israel result perhap you awar that commun peopl feel that that die fight attack for die silent accept fate you call israel sens suffer fewer casualti suggest you appli palestinian arab and islam group tim you ignor fact that palestinian lebanon disarm hezbollah remain independ militia hezbollah not attack israel time such idf burn sheikh mosavi wife and young son israel withdraw lebanon and stop assassin peopl and shell villag wouldn make lebanes mad that hezbollah subsequ disarm not and lebanes govern proven that capabl control and disarm militia part lebanon basil not support and activ involv syria lebanon not accomplish that occur onc syria leav that lebanon will retain control syria stai thai even danger for israel tim last time that you recal troubl syrian border not israel that syrian restrain us territori control attack israel lebanon syria and israel border presenc syrian troop lebanon meant sharp decreas attack isra territori not isra troop lebanon note distinct past two year tim your view thi entir matter seren side and select naiv disagre basil cool head person slow anger import that actual wit thing end isra gun isra govern rememb role revers perhap moder retali brad hernlem hernlem chess ncsu edu
talk.politics.mideast	turkei cypru bosnia serbia greec armenia azeri articl apr new uiowa edu mau herki uiowa edu mau napoleon write articl apr iastat edu tankut iastat edu sabri atan pano tamamidi you put turk bear respons thing happen todai that hard for object come conflict countri you cannot blame side bad gui side you anatolia you your coupl million greek live asia minor had protect not not that conflict start that not side aggress and ither suffer sad that not compromis rememb action turkish govern remov visa requir for greek come turkei thought posit attempt make relat compromis invas cypru invol turkei greek polit refus turkei accept mile territori water state intern law properti greek konstantinopl ownership island greek lake aegean thing can not compromis greek mention wouldn talk educ peopl never met bad person turkei polit not busi and not busi turk come individu hatr person support polici turkish gover directli indirecli bad person not your nation that make you bad your support action your gover that make you bad peopl not hate you you you you support polici turkish gover and such you pai price that make that kind brainwash greec educ person treat person nation can you your histori book and thing you learn greek turkish encount your school easi tankut atan tankut iastat edu achtung babi you not brainwash turn peopl turk talk greek arab slav kurd and peopl had luck turkish occup will talk you murder rape distruct you not learn turk histori book you learn peopl experienc hand turkish friendli napoleon napoleon your kind peopl prevent peac world you didn answer question ask end post and you told bullshit your post had posit point issu fill hatr and fill emot thi forget don you worth discuss issu tankut atan tankut iastat edu achtung babi
talk.politics.mideast	clinton view jerusalem that presid clinton can recogn jerusalem israel capitol keep diplomat rear door open state that parti concern decid citi final statu even endors clinton vie matter decid israel and particip neighbor contri real conflict state view expect politician david shalhevet dshal vmd cso uiuc edu univers illinoi dept anim sci pabl gregori urbana
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl bradski apr retina edu bradski retina edu gari bradski write apr gmt amehdi src honeywel hossien amehdi merlei point that side suffer not arab lebanes you bet defend homeland invad mean syrian iranian agent isra invad gari bradski net bradski park edu reverber cognit and neural system boston univers cummington boston don even agre opinion die invad didn you want perhap neural net design countri involv lebanon node you cognit and neural system that case put weight for each countri net
talk.politics.mideast	basil opinion water brain articl qmdtlinnkrc earli bird shaig shai gudai write articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu hasan mcrcim mcgill edu write articl apr nysernet org astein nysernet org alan stein write guess hasan final reveal sourc claim that israel divert water lebanon imagin alan stein astein israel nysernet org water head never that israel divert lebanes river fact that israel into southern lebanon make that water us lebanes side that water run into jordan river israel will us head post hard evid fact difficult you not bother substanti thi basil you evid that support thi can imagin new report ancient time hasan had write newsflash cairo ancient press israel todai deni egypt acc red sea typic displai israelit agress leader israelit slave revolt princ mose part red sea action estim caus irrepar damag environ egyptian author that thousand fisherman deni livelihood part water pharaoh brave chariot success gloriou attempt water red sea return normal state suffer heavi casualti heheh btw litani river not flow west and not south that water stai lebanes territori and hasan jordan river make sens case hasbani river hand flow into jordan not mistaken brad hernlem hernlem chess ncsu edu
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talk.politics.mideast	clinton view jerusalem articl abd dshal vmd cso uiuc edu dshal vmd cso uiuc edu write that presid clinton can recogn jerusalem israel capitol keep diplomat rear door open state that parti concern decid citi final statu even endors clinton vie matter decid israel and particip neighbor contri real conflict state view expect politician david shalhevet dshal vmd cso uiuc edu univers illinoi dept anim sci pabl gregori urbana avoid discuss whether clinton view endors not find whether newspap articl correct make statement presid obtain inform and made statement you ben
talk.politics.mideast	zionism racism syria expans author write that thought zionism racism and that wrong correct time zionism racism and thankfulli mcgill daili student newspap mcgill proud print articl you want copi send mail steve
talk.politics.mideast	turkei cypru bosnia serbia greec armenia azeri articl apr new uiowa edu mau herki uiowa edu mau napoleon write instabul call konstantinoupoli that year peopl aliv todai born citi call konstantinoupoli doesn make sens sinc napoleon sens strike bigot and racist attitud greek exist dai greek insist even todai that year capit ottoman empir call not right name istanbul half millennium monik con that york citi onc call amsterdam dutch peopl not persist call that todai name stalingrad long replac volgagrad china peke trade name for beig long ago ciudad trujillo dominican republ santa domingo zimbabv coloni capit salisburri harrar accept offici world greek determin call turkish istanbul name con can explain thi total intransig make greek mortal year question democraci don reconcil fact for instanc that istanbul chang hand year ago and that thi predat discoveri world year declar independ will come year shouldn half millennium consid time for con call turkish citi logic greek reason long can sit laurel ancient civil ancient greec not exist civil that exist soil anatolia undereduc wieneramu live illus mental ration that cypru greek island histori book show that belong ottoman turk lock stock and barrel for period year fact prior turk acquisit bloodi naval battl venetian island cypru belong invari nation assyrian sumerian phoenician egyptian ottoman turk that order own territori never possess govern greec not even for dai histori world cypru locat mile greek mainland mile turkiy southern coastlin saddam hussein claim that kuwait onc iraqi territori and greek cypriot govern and terrorist greek govern that cypru onc part greek hegemoni arromdian involv thi grandios hallucin wake sweet daydream and confront realiti wish think unproduct fact count for selanik jew surviv assault southeastern europ fled salonica jewish popul increas substanti result half total popul even increas persecut local greek led jew flee ottoman empir great port izmir despit pressur ottoman and foreign jew alik ritual murder and assault christian jew and greek effort decim jewish popul salonica culmin and greek conquest salonica balkan war jew kill terror into leav greec oblig post world war treati jew and minor us languag educ and practic religion hindranc law issu forbad inhabit work sundai stimul jewish exodu intend and seri anti semit riot salonica cambel quarter remain jew live burn ground thi regul requir us greek and prohibit hebrew and judea spanish jewish school start made expropri land princip jewish cemeteri salonica for us univers order deriv jew kill and drive larg number jew greek left substanti greek major citi for time and start salonica jewri final decim nazi occup greec start salonica and izmir not place refug for jewish refuge enter empir last centuri exist istanbul edirn and part rumelia and anatolia receiv thousand jew refuge receiv and help govern sultan thousand muslim accompani flight similar persecut wherev balkan christian state gain independ expand russian conquest crimea and caucasu start late eighteenth centuri and and crimean war combin independ movement southeastern europ that had caus suffer and flight jew caus thousand helpless ill and poverti stricken muslim refuge accompani into shrink boundari ottoman empir istanbul govern struggl mightli vainli hous and feed crimean tatar circassian and muslim north and east black sea had enter anatolia alon twenti year refuge enter result ottoman war russia and balkan state equal number gain refug european portion empir robert mantran structur social communaut juiv salonqiu fin dix neuviem siecl nehama vii joseph nehama salonica aiu pari aiu archiv and januari aiu archiv describ daili battl jewish and greek children street salonica benghiat director ecol mois allatini salonica aiu pari decemb aiu archiv describ greek attack jew boycott jewish shop and manufactur and greek press campaign lead blood libel attack cohen ecol secondair mois allatini salonica aiu pari decemb aiu archiv describ week terror that greek armi occup salonica soldier pillag jewish quarter and destroi jewish synagogu accompani describ explos hatr local greek popul local jew and muslim mizrahi presid aiu salonica report aiu pari juli aiu archiv that not irregular comitadji that massacr pillag and burn armi soldier chief polic and high civil offici activ part horror mois tovi salonica aiu pari august aiu archiv describ greek pillag jewish quarter night august aiu allianc israelit universel pari serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	exact million muslim extermin armenian articl inn appserv eng sun linden posit eng sun peter van der linden write turk kill armenian jew kill german you even make armenian laugh analog jewish holocaust systemat extermin entir muslim popul independ republ armenia consist percent popul that republ memoir armenian armi offic particip and ey wit atroc publish titl men that refer abound rachel bortnick jewish time june armenian massacr turk exact armenian slaughter million muslim peopl and sourc mccarthi muslim and minor popul ottoman anatolia and end empir york univers press york sourc hovannisian richard armenia road independ univers california press berkelei and lo angel sourc hovannisian richard armenia road independ univers california press berkelei and lo angel addit kar and batum oblast empir increas area transcaucasia squar mile estim popul entir region percent armenian percent georgian and percent moslem group tatar paradox bare transcaucasia armenian live erevan guberniia christian constitut major uezd erevan uezd administr center provinc had armenian compar moslem time russian censu armenian had establish scant major percent guberniia had risen percent inhabit thi impress chang provinc ethnic charact notwithstand ev creation armenian republ solid block tartar continu domin southern district outskirt ereven border persia map histor armenia and map administr subdivis transcaucasia percent turk close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for tartar and proceed work extermin troop surround villag villag resist offer artilleri knock hut into heap stone and dust and villag unten and inhabit fled into field bullet and bayonet complet work tartar escap found refug mountain succeed cross border into turkei rest kill and that length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki hot plain ararat cold mountain plateau north dot mute mourn ruin tartar villag quiet villag for howl wolv and jackal that visit paw scatter bone dead ohanu appressian men that refer emin author field middl eastern histori and eyewit armenian genocid million muslim armenian revolutionari movement louis nalbandian univers california press berkelei lo angel diplomaci imperi william lenger professor histori harward univers boston alfr knopt york turkei europ sir charl elliot edward arnold london chatnam hous version and middl eastern studi eli kedouri praeger publish york washington rise crescent ernest jackh farrar reinhart inc york toronto spiritu and polit evolut islam felix valyi mogan paul trench truebner london struggl for power moslem asia alexand powel centuri york london struggl for transcaucasia feruz kazemzadeh yale univers press haven conn histori ottoman empir and modern turkei volum stanford shaw cambridg univers press cambridg york melbourn western question greec and turkei arnold toynbe constabl london bombai sydnei caliph last heritag sir mark syke macmillan london men that leonard hartil bobb indianapoli adventur east rawlinson dodd mead world aliv person stori robert dunn crown publish inc york sardarapat serv and lousann aveti aharonian armenian review magazin volum fall spring armenia road independ richard hovanessian univers california press berkelei california rebirth turkei clair price thoma seltzer york caucasian battlefield allen paul muratoff cambridg partit turkei harri howard fertig york king crane commiss harri howard beirut unit state polici and partit turkei laurenc evan john hopkin univers press baltimor british document relat turkish war independ gothard jaeschk nesid kerem demir bir sehid anasina tarihin soyledikleri turkiy nin ermeni meselesi hulb basim yayin ankara ingilizc birinci baski armenian question turkei veysel eroglu ermeni mezalimi sebil yayinevi istanbul alper gazigirai osmanlilardan gunumuz kadar vesikalarla ermeni teroru nun kaynaklari gozen kitabevi istanbul kirzioglu fahrettin kar ili cevresind ermeni mezalimi kard matbaasi ankara basbakanlik osmanli arsivi babiali istanbul yildiz esa evraki yildiz perakend irad defterleri cemaat gayr muslim defterleri meclisi vukela mazbatalari dahiliy nezareti kalem mahsu dosyalari dahiliy nezareti sifr defterleri babiali evrak odasi siyasi kartonlar babiali evrak odasi muhimm kartonlari disisleri bakanligi hazin evrak defterdarlik harb umumi muteferrik kartonlar british archiv parliamentari paper hansard common lord foreign offic confidenti print collect foreign offic turkei correspond annual report foreign offic foreign offic polit intellig gener correspond foreign offic ryan paper foreign offic curzon paper foreign offic eastern confer lausann file india offic record and librari blackfriar road london polit and secur box turkei treati peac east turkei and greec lausann confer french archiv archiv minister de affair entranger quai orsai pari document diplomatiqu affair armenien collect guerr turqui legion orient levant armeni offici public publish document diplomat correspond agreement minut and turkei ottoman empir and republ turkei akarli belgelerl tanzimat istanbul kur atas askeri tarih belgeleri dergisi xxxi dec askeri tarih belgeleri dergisi xxxii dec hocaoglu ittihad anasir osmaniy heyeti nizamnamesi istanbul merai tran lozan bari konferansi tutanaklar belgel ankara vol merai olcai osmanli imparatorlugu nun coku belgeleri mondro birakismasi sevr andlasmasi ilgili belgel ankara osmanli devleti dahiliy nezareti aspir agiss revolutionnair de comit armenien avant apr proclam constitut ottoman istanbul ermeni komitelerinin amal hareket ihtilaliyesi ilan mesrutiyetten evvel sonra istanbul idar umumiy vilayet kanunu istanbul muharrerat umumiy mecmuasi istanbul muharrerat umumiy mecmuasi istanbul muharrerat umumiy mecmuasi iii istanbul muharrerat umumiy mecmuasi istanbul osmanli devleti hariciy nezareti imtiyazat ecnebiyy nin lagvindan dolayi memurin teblig olunacak talimatnam istanbul osmanli devleti harbiy nezareti islam ahalinin ducar olduklari mezalim hakkinda vesaik mustenid malumat istanbul ordu aliy divan harbi orfisind tedkik olunan mesel siyasiy hakkinda izahat istanbul turkozu osmanli sovyet belgeleriyl ermeni mezalimi ankara turkiy buyuk millet meclisi gizli cels zabitlari ankara vol russia adamof sovyet devlet arsivi belgeleriyl anadolu nun taksimi plani tran rahmi mutlucag istanbul altinai iki komit iki kital istanbul kafka yollarinda hatiralar tahassusl istanbul turkiy katolik propagandasi turk tarihi encumeni mecmuasi xiv sept asaf muammer harb mesulleri istanbul akboi birinci dunya harbind turk harbi osmanli imparatorlugu nun siyasi askeri hazirliklari harb girisi kur ankara akgun gener harbord anadolu gezisi ermeni meselesi dair raporu kurtulu savasi baslangicinda istanbul akin turk devrim tarihi istanbul aksin jon turkler ittihad terakki istanbul basar ermenilerden gorduklerimiz ankara ermenil hakkinda makalel derlemel ankara belen birinci dunya harbind turk harbi ankara deliorman turkler karsi ermeni komitecileri istanbul eg pren sabahaddin hayati ilmi mudafaalari istanbul ercikan ermenilerin bizan osmanli imparatorluklarindaki rolleri ankara gurun ermeni sorunu yahut bir sorun nasil yaratilir turk tarihind ermenil sempozyumu izmir hocaoglu arsiv vesikalariyla tariht ermeni mezalimi ermenil istanbul karal osmanli tarihi vii viii ankara kurat osmanli imparatorlugu nun paylasilmasi ankara orel yuca ermenilerc talat pasa atfedilen telgraflarin icyuzu ankara english translat ahmad young turk committe union and progress turkish polit oxford serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	genocid azeri turk soviet armenia and karabag articl apr kpc henrik quayl kpc write last hope that insist that turkei stai karabakh crisi that repeat cypru invas will never occur you termin cold karabag turkish and will remain turkish almost end centuri and commun azeri turk soviet armenia and karabag face forc assimil tortur and murder hand and forc exodu expuls and genocid ethnic and religi background and world commun powerless human right advoc decent peopl thi human tragedi and noth number azeri murder terrorist armenian armi and savag gang increas hand distort truth and beg merci turkiy ag melbourn helen womack agdam azerbaijan thursdai exact number victim unclear can doubt that azeri civilian massacr armenian fighter snowi mountain nagorno karabakh last week refuge enclav town khojali shelter azeri border town agdam give larg consist account enemi attack home night februari chase fled and shot surround forest yesterdai freshli dug grave cemeteri addit mutil corps shown mosqu arriv agdam late tuesdai women and children bullet wound makeshift hospit string railwai carriag khojali azeri settlement enclav popul armenian had popul rashid mamedov command polic agdam escap town rest prison fled bodi ly mountain azeri short helicopt retriev believ had perish cold temperatur low minu degre refuge rami nasiru describ khojali resid thought attack routin shoot had becom accustom year conflict armenian convoi armor personnel carrier realis not hope defend machinegun and grenad and fled into forest small hour massacr start nasiru believ wife and two children prison repeat refuge that troop soviet armi help armenian attack khojali not opinion ey serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	armenian will not genocid azeri peopl articl apr kpc henrik quayl kpc write armenia involv fight azarbaijan armenian soldier mainland armenia that shell town azarbaijan thi your opinion you relat arromdian asala sdpa arf terror and revision triangl you feel that you can simpli act fascist armenian government croni thi forum you will sadli mistaken and duli embarrass thi not lectur anoth histor revisionist and genocid apologist fact thi time fascist soviet armenian govern will not genocid azeri men women and children not chanc sundai time march morgu fill azeri head for war thoma goltz report massacr armenian soldier worst violenc sinc breakup soviet union report agdam khojali us barren town empti shop and treeless dirt road home thousand peopl happier time tend field and flock gees last week wipe map sicken report trickl azerbaijani border town agdam and bodi pile morgu doubt that khojali and stark foothil and gulli had site terribl massacr sinc soviet union broke apart last western visit khojali that januari and peopl predict fate grim resign zumrut ezoya mother board helicopt that ferri into town call commun sit duck readi shot and famili victim massacr februari armenian outli villag and govern noth balakisi sakikov father will drive kill dilbar wife coupl son and daughter kill assault peopl had spoken close armenian line knew cross road and unit column ran across hell broke loos bullet rain side had enter trap azeri defend pick survivor that armenian forc began pitiless slaughter fire move gulli video azeri cameraman wail and cry film bodi bodi show grizzli trail death lead higher forest ground villag had sought refug armenian armenian shot and shot and shot omar veyselov ly hospit agdam sharapnel wound wife and daughter fall peopl wander hospit corridor for new love vent furi foreign daughter son wail mother rape butcher lost azerbaijan refuge kill flee armenian deni thi civilian caught crossfir sourc time march corps litter hill karabakh anatol lieven come fire fly azerbaijani forc investig alleg mass kill refuge armenian troop swoop low snow cover hill nagorno karabagh scatter corps appar refuge had shot ran azerbaijani film place flew shown journalist show dozen corps ly part hill azerbaijani claim that di mass kill azerbaijani flee town khodjali seiz armenian last week believ wound frozen death miss squat cabin azerbaijani attack helicopt flew investig claim mass kill suddenli thump undersid aircraft red flash tracer rip past starboard wing and helicopt rock sharpli swung round and deafen burst fire cannon wing helicopt crew return fire had fire armenian anti aircraft post swung round tip starboard and appear dive straight into vallei brown earth swoop head helicopt swung round and contour ground cannon fire repeat blast emerg that civilian helicopt that had escort had land successfulli nakhichevanik east disput enclav nagorno karabakh pick dead had fact attack ground fire and armenian helicopt had armenian helicopt intermitt window cannon fire had thought mistakenli that side group western journalist had embark search and rescu flight that had becom combat mission flight consist civilian passeng helicopt and two soviet attack helicopt azerbaijani servic nicknam fly crocodil for armour parti second crocodil civilian helicopt job land mountain and pick bodi site mass kill attack helicopt give cover fire oper show strike sign disintegr soviet arm forc pilot russian offic azerbaijani offici told that soviet militari helicopt and pilot fight for azerbaijan sign contract fly for helicopt engag combat flown brother offic russian pilot fight for armenian had saturdai agdam airfield heat for armenian control mountain karabakh sheer white wall distanc civilian helicopt pick corps and thi and previou mission that azerbaijani cameraman film dozen bodi hillsid hurri and speed back azerbaijani line azerbaijani gunner last hill plain and safeti gaze pass back airfield agdam bodi civilian helicopt had pick two men small girl cover blood limb contort cold and rigor morti had shot russian pilot tragedi close shave and war nagorno karabakh gave cheer grin polit declin answer que tion and march dinner serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	ev anniversari commemor turkish holocaust articl apr kpc henrik quayl kpc write henrik your ignor manifest awkward form intransig not spend time review you recent histori cypru good back your refer and read and fascist soviet armenian govern that you prefer imagin that american european jewish and armenian scholar mislead arromdian guest sourc stanford shaw armenian collabor invad russian armi histori ottoman empir and modern turkei volum reform revolut republ rise modern turkei london cambridg univers press april dashnak russian armenia organ revolt citi van armenian compris percent popul closest armenian major citi empir leav erivan april armenian volunt reach van and organ and carri gener slaughter local muslim popul two dai small ottoman garrison had retreat southern side lake sourc world aliv person stori robert dunn crown publish inc york memoir american offic wit armenian genocid million muslim peopl seventh paragraph and paragraph insid hous come you and dammit stomach isn turkish offic uniform you tree mosqu open space don you nail stud door man push ajar spur leav check corps thought thi charg constant grit teeth and insid place cool reek sodden ash and dark for stone wall had window slit rag strew mud floor iron tripod ember that vent smoke roof beam black soot look bare and empti room fli buzz door swung shut man bodi ly face nake for grimi turban fifti year left face rifl butt had bash ey left slant tartar turk uniform onc proof and quickli gag mess slash genit paragraph peopl live hundr yawn you turk offic sir dawn tartar civilian mufti lieuten doze small hour voic woke dro stood starlight bawl offic keelhaul long and furious never heard abruptli dro broke into laughter quick and simpl child cover for sens guilt thought hope for despit boast irreligion christian massacr infidel horribl revers daybreak armenian villag pour mile women plunder happili chatter raven pick carcass djul haul hovel chattel last scrap food cloth and stagger pack pot saddlebag loom even spin wheel you for lot dro back camp leav shook hand captain bientot mon camarad and for hour molokan scout and plod north across parch plain lot wife look back onc smoke bath doubtless sack moslem villag line snow that iran morn tea dro and offic spread map thi high region call karabakh deep tactic spoke russian contempt for alli neutral zone and distrust promis made tribal chief campaign shape raid moslem villag will hour dro told close side men foot will not shoot us bayonet merrimanov jab rifl dumbshow that for moral dro put moslem terror soldier civilian ask differ dro arm uniform not women and children will fly ridg circl wide expans floor hundr feet fog held solid cotton flock djul li that dro point men attack side whee whistl line rock edg bayonet click carbin plung archo black haunch rippl staff hord nose tail belli take spur armenia action pageant war even heard utica brass roar watch height ag for djul show clear tsing machin gun fire thump batteri cattl low dog bark invis at hunk chees and drank snow puddl mist last fold upward men shout heard faintli shrill wail cloud streak rose darker wisp smoke red glimmer hous wall stone wattl into dry weed roof mosqu stood clump tree thick and green crook allei fire horsemen gallop figur mount and foot tartarski shout gunner pantomim escap rock twist bronz shell nose load and yank breech cord fire and shot wast thought afternoon look vain for fallen branch bodi shot and white burst shrapnel gulli drown women cri length shoot peter hors and rode djul burn flame show steep and tough dens scrub final flatter ground suddenli alder smolder hous across trampl wheat brother arm lead anim calv and lamb fourth paragraph corps pretti child straight black hair larg ey look twelv year lai stubbl meal lai scatter sack tote bayonet had back judg for blood scant breast clot small for bullet wound crust homespun dress boi ten rawhid jacket and knee pant lai face path hut arm reach pewter bowl carri upset dough steel had jab below neck into spine grownup led sorrel djul empti live till look besid dro german speak colonel tartar had not escap dead stori armenian murder turk czarist troop fled north host told duti tab brigand turkish troop shift hidden arm spi christian red tartar come transcaucasu spoke hell that break loos versail put threaten six armenian vilayet turkei control erevan armenia armenian turk christian rule lip smack ironi droopi red moustach that bloodsh smyrna bigger scale sourc librari congress bristol paper gener correspond contain dashnak power world pot boil attack kurd turk and tartar commit outrag moslem massacr moslem and rob and destroi home last two year armenian russian caucasu shown abil govern and abil govern handl race power sourc gurun armenian file london nicosia istanbul muslim villag destroi soldier armenian troop arm cannon and machin gun ey troop and peopl document inform muslim villag destroi young muslim women kar and gumru hundr women and children flee villag beaten and kill mountain sourc allen and paul muratoff caucasian battlefield cambridg univers press armenian found support red regard tartar counter revolutionari element fight massacr tartar popul sourc gener bronsart wrote follow articl juli issu newspap deutsch allgemein zeitung sinc moslem capabl bear arm turkish armi easi organ terribl massacr armenian defenseless peopl armenian not attack side and rear eastern armi paralyz front russian attack moslem folk region sourc quot gener hamelin letter high commission februari offici histori le arme francais levant vol armenian burn and destroi turkish villag punit measur advanc and practic turkish villag retreat marash sourc john dewei turkish tragedi republ volum novemb that armenian boast rais armi hundr and fifti thousand men fight civil war and that burn hundr turkish villag and extermin popul serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	armenia shoot turkish plane articl apr kpc henrik quayl kpc write articl apr sol ctr columbia edu deniz mandolin ctr columbia edu deniz akku write thi your opinion turkish azeri can bark want sinc untru you gui never brought armenia involv karabakhi armenian had had heavi loss and thi your opinion not valid due repeat capit letter and word such untru never etc read york time that publish anti armenian articl nop resourc aggress turk azeri past armenian not gona sit and watch fire work azeri taught turk armenian justifi aggress sinc supposedli turk aggress past don follow your logic don into cypru discuss turkei had not chanc you can not convinc base your reason that your govern thing invad cypru that don into cypru discuss and not give reason for turkei involv not convinc you reason wast time lastli not soc cultur armenia vote for free not posit agre disadre you soc cultur armenia start and peac mind deniz akku
talk.politics.mideast	zionism racism articl apr mcgill musicb mcgill write syria expans author write that thought zionism racism and that wrong correct time zionism racism and thankfulli mcgill daili student newspap mcgill proud print articl you want copi send mail steve thi paper and for exercis select moral and judgement such time recogn that religi base govern racist exclusionari and simpli built philosophi separ equal second class treatment minor will continu for bia jewish nation racism islam anywher peopl allot right race religion cultur racist
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talk.politics.mideast	zionism racism articl apr mcgill musicb mcgill write syria expans author write that thought zionism racism and that wrong correct time zionism racism and thankfulli mcgill daili student newspap mcgill proud print articl you want copi send mail you want info claim that black brought earth trillion year ago alien plant shabazz can send you literatur nation islam farrakhan group thi you want info claim that holocaust never happen can send you info ihr institut for histor review david irv group read dan gannon post alt revision want put steve post compani that deserv steve gedaliah friedenberg depart mechan engin depart metallurgi mechan and materi scienc michigan state univers
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talk.politics.mideast	account anti armenian human violat azerbaijan account anti armenian human violat azerbaijan prelud current event nagorno karabakh driver fact aren armenian left burn beat and stab deposit vanya bagratovich bazian born foreman baku spetsmontazh administr umsmr resid build apart block sumgait azerbaijan dai event and februari busi trip had crew paper work and left for zhdanov district that azerbaijan nagorno karabagh region rumor start effect that karabagh specif stepanakert upris had place upris azerbaijani don upris demonstr that unrest start armenian live zhdanov district injur injur beaten even women that demonstr live and karabagh demonstr that felt uneasi convers armenian local popul armenian had thi armenian had that site attack coupl time kid true gui crew wouldn come cabl and knive that felt bad didn and call home and children unrest care had project told second secretari district parti committe had and want crew site wouldn noth happen you entrust matter polic warn district noth will happen you fact detail policeman local peopl and protect happen thi man didn leav alon for minut work time and afterward spent night sens disquiet and call home wife tell situat tens care finish job site and left for sumgait thing morn left gui warn told that shouldn that armenian busi travel document name zardali and hid hid and passport sock set for baku gui bu sat and sat front baku had come and that had collect travel document case turn knew happen sumgait arriv bu station and that citi sumgait close that citi close and buse aren run buse leav baku for sumgait almost two minut and suddenli buse privat driver man azerbaijani find found light transport vehicl and arrang for driver sumgait had wouldn you gave thousand rubl burn citi and kill armenian isn armenian left hold stand squar car and set for sumgait driver fact aren armenian left burn beat and stab silent odd mile silent driver ask you man that quiet not mean armenian you ask call you man depend god each person life thi world older year that call man that silent approach citi and tank and cordon kavkaz store driver start wave hand wave hand start wave hand sit start wave hand realiz that thi sign that meant armenian citi crowd peopl walk middl street you and traffic scare stop car peopl stand sidewalk armatur shaft and stone and stop driver tell armenian and not armenian for exampl armenian speak languag armenian pronounc azeri word for nut nut pundukh fundukh correct pronunci pundukh even not armenian immedi and start slash anoth car peopl insid start hit side ax and lit fire and didn peopl wouldn car car driver that drive baku sumgait and back stop car and short gui ey gleam armatur shaft hand and stone and ask gui nation azerbaijani armenian come pull thing and you armenian man azerbaijani you asham and left turn and left that that happen had citi fire had steal children home stop entranc mir street that kavkaz store and larg stori build that begin town that burn automobil complet burn metal remain couldn figur zhiguli zaporozhet told zhiguli and peopl complet inciner noth remain not even trace that driver had told and car car skeleton metal carcass yard kavkaz store militari transport armor personnel carrier hatch close and peopl throw armatur shaft and piec iron crowd and hear shot not automat fire true pistol shot shot azerbaijani crowd that personnel carrier crowd shoot appar want kill soldier machin gun that point armor personnel carrier and tank citi cordon sumgait walk two azerbaijani home plant can gait that not bandit peopl walk home join case happen case and ask question posit answer you avoid larg group local and quickli recogn distanc and walk fewer peopl walk into microdistrict across block can into block walk fewer peopl tall gui and peopl walk and shout into megaphon comrad armenian azerbaijani war begun polic megaphon that talk and walk second microdistrict that come and turn build notic that walk build and insid microdistrict peopl stand corner and middl build and edg can couldn close afraid import thing home and find children aliv not april yerevan refer sumgait tragedi pogrom armenian soviet azerbaijan volum eyewit account edit samuel shahmuradian forward yelena bonner publish aristid caratza page david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
talk.politics.mideast	armenia shoot turkish plane henrik and hilmi write henrik armenian nagarno karabagh simpli defend henrik right homeland and azeri that henrik invad homeland homeland nagarno karabagh armenian homeland todai fizuli lacin and villag azerbadjan homeland can you great armenia dream thi facist method kill rape and bomb villag last move blast truck kurdish refuge escap lacin citi that kurd armenian nagorno karabakh azerbaijan not armenia armenian live nagorno karabakh sinc armenian armenian us live area armenia and nagorno karabakh and thi area us invad nagorno karabakh armenian defend azeri dy polici attack armenian wrong thi polici attack attack even countri you live usa condemn armenia for attack and you start that attack azeri armenian live nagorno karabakh sinc armenian azeri live nagorno karabakh sinc azeri don come nonsenc reason attack peopl man call gorbatjov and gave freedom peopl thi area recal correctli stalin caus thi problem land place not armenian easi for peopl you blame histori lot indian live usa reason for indian attack american peopl and fault govern germani and great britain made peopl come place armenian live harmoni azeri gorbatjov and gave freedom peopl karabag armenian start kill rape and tortur azeri not karabag noe azerbadjan henrik hope that armenian will forc turkish airplan henrik land for purpos search for arm similar henrik that happen last summer turkei search american plane henrik carri humanitarian aid bound armenia don speak thing you don cargo plane head armenia turkish author announc that search cargo plane plane return base germani plane search turkei content plane not hard guess not humanitarian aid stori you talk plane send aid into armenian for two year not guess plane your stori find search turkish plane you don you talk turkei govern announc that give weapon azerbadjan sinc armenia start attack azerbadjan not karabag provinc search plane for weapon sinc content announc weapon bad you want turkei start war armenia that don want you couldn imagin result war franc greec and usa start fight azerbadjan give lot weapon armenian that secret that armenian govern shortsight that move neigbour war neighbour will and armenia live harmoni don want stone ag countri for that will happen armenia war continu presid turkei turgut ozal di and petrosyan armenian presind turkei for funer like not armenia neighbour and live armenia can stop thi war continu ordertak state franc and usa word you love your peopl you twice and shoot turkish plane ohhh forgot armenian can find food lot arm mention countri hilmi eren stockholm univers sweden
talk.politics.mideast	thi center for polici resea that reader thi confer interest center for polict research will oblig name elia davidsson iceland citizen born palestin mother thrown germani belong undesir that time thi group defin jew forc palestin due cynic factor meanwhil settl iceland year ago and met peopl thrown homeland palestin reason belong indesir peopl includ neighbor jerusalem children plai child crime theyar not jew conscienc not accept such injustic period work for justic name principl opposit racism and racial discrimin protest such practic arab countri support long protest base principl posit not tactic deflect critic israel struggl discrimin and racism univers center for polici research name gave activ undertaken guidanc domain and command support volunt iceland not formal institut and work minim fund profession music teacher and compos publish piec and piano music taught wide europ hope that discuss israel palestin conduct civil manner call name not help elia davidsson iceland
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talk.politics.mideast	moment silenc april approach and armenian world get readi rememb massacr famili member turkish govern and million armenian perish that period and import note that deni that thi event place support polici extermin armenian painfulli wit azerbaijan happen you for take time read thi post helgg
talk.politics.mideast	armenian slaughter defenseless muslim children and pregnant women articl apr kpc henrik quayl kpc write gimm break capit letter not pure nonsens that short sight armenian escal hostil armenian karabakh simpli defend wind winter put you heavi arromdian mood can dear mehmetcik write you letter give you and your crimin handler asala sdpa arf terror and revision triangl militari pointer shoot arm adult male small muslim children and pregnant women sourc time march massacr uncov anatol lieven sixti bodi includ women and children spot hillsid nagorno karabakh confirm claim that armenian troop massacr azeri refuge hundr miss scatter amid wither grass and bush small vallei and across hillsid bodi last wednesdai massacr armenian forc azerbaijani refuge that hill can armenian control town askeran and outskirt azerbaijani militari headquart agdam di made safeti line land thi spot helicopt yesterdai afternoon last troop commonwealth independ state began pull left unhind war faction gener bori gromov oversaw soviet withdraw afghanistan flew stepanakert eas departur local truce enforc azerbaijain collect dead and refuge hide hill and forest two attack helicopt circl continu nearbi armenian posit bodi count scene anoth into agdam past dai figur not includ civilian report kill armenian storm azerbaijani town khodjali tuesdai night figur not includ undiscov bodi zahid jabarov survivor massacr peopl shot point visit and refuge rout told shot repeatedli and leav trail bodi path bodi scatter possess cloth and personnel document bodi preserv bitter cold kill hid hill and forest massacr bodi ordinari peopl dress poor ugli cloth worker policeman and two appar nation volunt wear uniform rest civilian includ women and small children two group appar famili had fallen togeth children cradl women arm includ small girl had terribl head injuri face left survivor told armenian shoot point blank lai ground serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	tradit and histor armenian barbar watch articl apr elroi edu elroi edu fazia begum rizvi write that lot good muslim care term affect ideolog and action that such term decscrib bosnian suffer such bigotri come mind peopl call dirti descend turk peopl hate religion and don muslim sinc white suffer that not forget genocid azeri peopl karabag and soviet armenia armenian and armenian commit unheard crime resort conceiv method despot organ massacr pour petrol babi and burn rape women and girl front parent bound hand and foot girl mother and father and appropri person properti and real estat and todai put azeri unbear condit nation had histori aref sadikov sat quietli shade cafe bar caspian sea esplanad baku and show line stitch trouser torn armenian bullet fled town hojali month ago write hugh pope wear cloth don year carpent begin account hojali disast wound place lucki aliv sadikov and wife short food electr for month and cut helicopt flight for dai sens armenian noos tighten peopl left straggl azeri town edg karabakh bombard start such had never heard kind weapon artilleri heavi machin gun lot sadikov neighbour pour street direct attack huddl shelter start flee town hill stream and snow into forest side escap townspeopl had reach azeri town agdam mile thought make dawn reach bottleneck two armenian villag nakhchivanik and saderak group hurt spot car road and armenian outpost start open fire sadikov azeri militiamen fight hojali rush forward forc open corridor for civilian effort vain sadikov peopl group made includ wife and militiaman son relat di includ year elder brother had time reach and cover face hat pull big flat turkish cap ey never bodi back group lucki benefit cover fire hero evacu alif hajief shot dead struggl chang magazin cover group cross sadikov anoth hero elman memmedov mayor hojali and spent dai februari bushi hillsid surround dead bodi armenian armour personnel carrier bai survivor stagger last mile into agdam comfort town popul flee night reach town big armenian rocket attack peopl sadikov had hospit for treatment bad even found bullet sock victim war azeri woman mourn son kill hojali massacr februari left nurs struggl primit condit centr save wound man makeshift oper theatr set train carriag grief stricken rel town agdam weep coffin anoth massacr victim calcul final death toll complic muslim buri dead hour photograph liu heung frederiqu lengaign reuter independ london serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	armenian serv wehrmacht and articl amazon duke edu wiener duke duke edu eduard wiener write can tast you cheap shot you noth translat kozovski insult refer milan pavlov mon you haven correct wieneramu april hitler prepar for invas caucasu number nazi armenian leader began submit plan german offici spring and summer souren begzadian paikhar son ambassador armenian republ baku paikhar wrote letter hitler ask for german support armenian nation socialist movement hossank and suggest creation armenian format order educ youth liber armenia spirit nazi idea want unit armenian occupi territori ussr movement and conquer histor turkish homeland paikhar confin serv nazi goebbel propaganda ministri speaker for armenian and french languag radio broadcast armenian languag broadcast produc anoth nazi armenian viguen chanth patrick von zur muhlen muehlen enno meyer berkian zwischen rhein und arax jahr deutsch armenisch beziehungen heinz holzberg verlag oldenburg and establish armenian unit german armi favor gener dro butcher plai import role establish armenian legion assum offici posit view repres men respect organ interest meet place dro and reichsfuehr heinrich himmler end dro discuss matter collabor himmler and long convers ask visit pow camp close berlin himmler provid dro privat car minor problem that soviet nation not aryan subhuman offici nazi philosophi such subject german racism armenian threaten and privileg august armenian had recogn aryan bureau racial investig ministri for domest affair meyer berkian ibid serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	keep silent memori million muslim peopl aliv sourc men that leonard ramsden hartil bobb merril compani indianapoli page memoir armenian offic particip genocid million muslim peopl muslim villag destroi and slain driven countri armenian not spare tartar persist slaughter prison loot and rape and massacr helpless becom commonplac action expect and accept matter scene massacr dead lai ground number fallen leav forest had helpless and defenseless sheep had not di soldier die heat battl fire ardor and courag weapon hand and exchang blow for blow had di helpless heart and brain burst horror wors death serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	religi persecut cultur oppress and econom articl apr new uiowa edu mau herki uiowa edu mau napoleon write you not afraid you act you your kind odd greek govern held account for sub human condit turkish minor live western thrace brutal greek domin religi persecut cultur oppress and econom commun appli turkish popul that area dimens human right abus widespread greec greec hous polici worri western thrace turk newli built hous belong member minor commun dedeagac provinc had destroi evro provinc public work depart dec sungar ad that had receiv harsh treatment secur forc demolit thi not demolit dedeagac provinc hous destroi and member that minor commun made homeless continu greec govern rail road two turkish ethnic deputi world human right organ scream greek persist work remov parliamentari immun sadik ahmet and ahmet faikoglu page confess salman demirok chief pkk oper hakkari confess that high level relat pkk greec and greek cypriot administr exist demirok greek cypriot administr not shelter pkk guerilla suppli food and weapon temporari camp set territori demirok disclos that pkk safe hous south cypru us terrorist such ferhat camp ad terrorist train us weapon includ rpg and anti aircraft gun had purchas directli greek govern greek cypriot govern extent issu special identif card pkk member that can travel region anoth confront legal obstacl demirok account confirm anoth pkk defector fatih tan gave polic hakkari spend year pkk tan explain that terrorist train camp south cypru sometim for period week tortur greec hidden realiti case kosta andreadi and dimitri vogli andreadi head cover hood and tortur falanga beat sole feet electr shock and threaten thrown window offici medic report document thi tortur case horst bosniatzki west german citizen midnight beach chain put feet and threaten thrown sea drag beach for punch head and kidnei back polic station beaten finger tip thin stick fingertip split open case tortur dimitri vogli case brother vang and christo arabatzi vasili papadopoulo and kosta kiriazi case tortur student thessaloniki polic headquart sourc british broadcast corpor summari world broadcast juli part middl east abu nidal advis reportedli train pkk asala milit cypru nicosia ankara tel aviv isra secret servic mossad report acquir signific inform connect camp set troodo mountain cypru for train milit pkk and asala armenian secret armi for liber armenia sourc close mossad kurdish greek cypriot and armenian milit undergo train troodo mountain southern cypru sourc state that abu nidal special advis give militari train pkk and asala milit camp ad that milit leav southern cypru for libya lebanon syria greec and iran complet train mossad establish that due clash take place terrorist group base syria pkk and asala organis move greek cypriot part cypru comfort transfer number camp northern syria troodo mountain mossad reveal that armenian nation movement mna open liaison offic nicosia athen and tripoli order meet camp offic us provid materi support for armenian camp meanwhil leader popular front for liber palestin georg habash report order men not particip oper carri pkk asala describ extrem racist extrem nationalist and fascist reliabl sourc that habash believ that recent oper carri pkk milit show that organis band irregular engag extrem nationalist oper ad that instruct milit sever link pkk and avoid clash establish that georg habash expel asala milit camp asala connect drug traffick expos sourc alan cowel greec disput terror york time june special york time athen june disput develop todai athen and washington unit state intellig report that athen for month conduct negoti terrorist abu nidal contact verifi term hard intellig report abu nidal lead palestinian splinter group fatah revolutionari council implic airport bomb rome and vienna that contribut reagan administr decis bomb tripoli libya last year washington state depart offici that administr offici learn contact state depart draft strongli word demarch offici express unhappi greec deal asala armenian liber armi carri terrorist act turk serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	rejoind question isra cleveland freenet edu mark ira kaufman newsgroup talk polit mideast subject rejoind question isra date apr gmt organ case western reserv univers cleveland ohio usa realiz that principl not your strongest point not question thi sort arab countri you want continu thi tank charad your fixat israel stop you start ask sort question arab countri you realiz not work arab countri treatment jew last decad bad that your fixat israel begin bias attack that thi group recogn that your stupid center for polici research noth fanci name for bigot hate israel don you honest your hatr israel heard that your famili onc live israel member your famili not cut competit thi true your famili thi true you thi not israel person vendetta you not bit object israel you that name your phoni balonei center hide your bia clue davidsson haven you realiz that you post such stupid thi group you incur answer peopl arm truth haven you realiz that piec select data and piec not make truth haven you realiz that you your head peopl read thi group not stupid you hope thi not place for such pseudo analysi you will continu rip shred you start show regard for object you can continu show anti israel zealot you disguis your bia pompou name center for polici research you that you laugh stock your center consid joke and you make attempt object you will place honor clown bigot and idiot usenet couldn mark mike
talk.politics.mideast	american jewish congress open letter clinton articl blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write articl apr vxcrna cern casper vxcrna cern casper davi ppe write fixat bosnia due european countri world ken intervent somalia counter exampl staunch republican btw ironi argu militari intervent argument base vietnam not escap oppos intervent somalia for reason not riski base reason you mean you oppos intervent somalia sinc somalia european countri world desir somalia racist don thi reason appli somalia you complet misunderstood oppos intervent somalia for reason oppos intervent bosnia secur interest unit state justifi risk live american servicemen and crise world for case bosnia risk greater and countri posit and reason action point that somalia world countri and will send troop bosnia exactli opposit fixat european countri theori predict similarli desir muslim fought christian exactli opposit that theori predict you continu misunderstand not reason peopl want interven racist you overli fond thi word btw phenomenon race relat not racist perhap thi distinct subtl for you grasp motiv attent and outrag entir yugoslavian situat result closer home happen peopl can identifi and relentlessli harp media never side prefer lot present conflict psycholog factor doubt that despit fact interven somalia level attent devot consider devot bosnia newspap and new guid dave
talk.politics.mideast	center for anti irsael rhetor dear davidsson you claim that your purpos fight racism you don interest injustic that commit israel treatment jew arab nation injustic stagger proport injustic that you not care bit not
talk.politics.mideast	human bosnia apr julian uwo mrizvi gfx engga uwo mubashir rizvi write encourag that number peopl interest post reciev coupl letter debat statement that event bosnia unpreced histori modern world contest thi statement present figur world war mind that world war and countri had power stop todai matter not power will that lack will idea nation take action militari intervent bosnia not thought advoc such action belliger subdu requir occup forc for two gener you will stop and you will realiz that peopl never forgotten singl slight injuri imbib hatr mother milk stop fight seiz and destroi weapon will simpli back kill each club and price for thi futil will live young men and women send die price unwil even second point differ make holocast that that time intern commun didnot muscl prevent unfortun event valid comparison holocaust jewish peopl that friend not brought hate wari not hate and for warsaw upris unarm and even warsaw badli gun easi speak muscl muscl suppos thi thing will you parent wive children lover send die that gave live nobl nobl separ mad dog will turn will offer you muscl suppos that week thi will give foreign nation time leav ceas bloodsh end that week bring tomahawk fire ship and destroi belgrad destroi bosnian citi perhap citi reduc rubbl will sudden attack brain send missil mean not send troop todai inspit intern commun not stand neutral arm embargo mean lift embargo obviou disadvantag weeker side and advantag bulli indirecltli and possibl unintention mankind side killer and thi unpreced histori modern world killer you honestli side rizvi reb
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl apr ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem write articl bce new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write you suggest that guerilla us popul for cover israel total back easiest attack anoth us innoc shield and hope that respect innoc live tim guerilla wrong assum that civilian for cover not kill soldier countri buffer zone prevent attack israel not work neccessari for isra gun pound lebanes villag not kill infiltr buffer zone you shell villag call retali get back get even doesn make sens shell villag show reckless disregard isra govern for live civilian you recal subject rais week ago that touch thi claim that guerilla manifest popular sentiment topic aros civilian stop civilian hous and shelter guerilla free will aid violat civilian statu bit attack israel neighbor arab state can start hope for thi happen will occur arab state show that prepar respons and duti stop guerilla attack israel soil prove provid guarate israel accept word not past attitud toler anti israel guerilla resid israel not will accept word imho busi wast time come peac talk don you that statement can made wai lebanon interest peac accept word israel that attack for war and disarm hizbollah will remov for continu occup afteral israel stage two part withdraw area occupi lebanon slg tim you ignor fact that palestinian lebanon disarm hezbollah remain independ militia hezbollah not attack israel time such idf burn sheikh mosavi wife and young son israel withdraw lebanon and stop assassin peopl and shell villag wouldn make lebanes mad that hezbollah subsequ disarm not that not exactli true hizbollah and affili group made attempt infiltr border israel not support and activ involv syria lebanon not accomplish that occur onc syria leav that lebanon will retain control syria stai thai even danger for israel tim last time that you recal troubl syrian border not israel that syrian restrain us territori control attack israel lebanon syria and israel border presenc syrian troop lebanon meant sharp decreas attack isra territori not isra troop lebanon note distinct past two year true syrian guerilla oper area that control provid that guerilla attack isra line problem that syria not stabl partner for long term peac area shai gudai stealth bomber softwar engin think machin corp wing ninja ski cambridg
talk.politics.mideast	basil opinion water brain articl apr ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem write btw litani river not flow west and not south that water stai lebanes territori and hasan jordan river make sens case hasbani river hand flow into jordan not mistaken litani river flow west southwestern direct and not run buffer zone hasbani flow into jordan contrari imagin poster write increas inflow thi river that not proport climat rainfal brad hernlem hernlem chess ncsu edu shai gudai stealth bomber softwar engin think machin corp wing ninja ski cambridg
talk.politics.mideast	turkei cypru bosnia serbia greec armenia azeri articl apr yale edu karag scu ctstateu edu angelo karageorgi greek and macedon combin write aykut busload greek turist that torch and peopl bui di happen year ago instanbul greek island imbro and tenedo not allow church momama turkei turn church into warehous pictur pontian greek trapezounta and sampsounta you call trabzon and sampson spoke thousand year alod languag left that speek islamicis start anoth flamefest and you start quot argic hard thing for not equip nevertheless turk greec badli mistreat come elect two not two repres greek govern come free absolut free hospit and educ turk turkei you shout until you can move greec and enjoi privileg forget for you studi foreign univers poor shod tile earth sweat btw aziz nessin write poetri read stuff gui that wrote mountain tayro respond kindli last two question interest find book two peopl yeian kai eytyxeian opinion express angelo karageorgi mine mine miiinn miiinneee aaaarrgghhhh live long prosper carrier and mail can and will us manner whatsoev repost publicis part messag messag you disagre exercis your freedom speech and don send dear karageorgi clarifi misunderstand your post bu incid canakkal year ago mental ill person kill pontu greek changedwith turk greec logout sinc greek friend yiorgo us comput back asta vista babi
talk.politics.mideast	public servic translat hell thi gui david davidian talk david you shut don your attitut you full li and shit didn you hear don mess turc hell timucin kaan timucin georgia institut technolog atlanta georgia decvax hplab ncar purdu rutger gatech prism internet prism gatech edu
talk.politics.mideast	isra soldier kill child articl apr bernina ethz nadeem igp ethz nadeem malik write can rememb correctli not report and even camera time isra invas lebanon itifada began that cnn caught regular uniform isra soldier break arm arab youngster profession and brutal manner give full detail can rememb cnn not thi occass such scene transmit west and usa caus uproar and factor that significantli chang precept isra armi role mid east proof for you proof you not report and give full detail can rememb hear not proof obviou that systemat polici isra occur massiv scale scene palestinian brutal murder brother nadeem naftali stramer intergraph electron internet nstramer dazixco ingr lookout road suit voic fax boulder qualiti job and job watch that can
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl apr da harvard edu adam endor adam shostack write young men attack syrian troop south lebanon area isra and sla and lebanes troop present syrian troop deploi north awali river awali river and secur zone lebanes troop station blood soldier israel interest peac withdraw land guarante peac thi happen that lebanes youth unabl restrain violenc and unabl realiz that action prolong israel stai south lebanon that your opinion and opinion isra govern agre peac guarante for address problem stand hopefulli comprehens peac settlement will conclud and will includ secur guarante for side propos aim decreas casualti interim period opinion israel withdraw unilater stai isra gov agre you and not will such move hope chang your opinion and that post tpm lebanes armi maintain peac israel not israel prefer that soldier die children explain contend that israel withdraw unilater attack ensu northern israel explain that case suggest aim reduc level tension and casualti side unfortun that israel not agre opinion israel save isra live withdraw unilater call secur zone conclus peac talk such move save isra live advanc peac effort give israel great moral lift israel public imag abroad and give edg peac negoci sinc israel can rightli claim that genuin interest peac and offer import concess israel withdraw lebanon peac treati sign not dai withdraw casualti lebanes peopl that push israel kill soldier not gonna happen that bad such withdraw israel demand that hizbollah disarm lebanes govern and warn that will not accept attack northern citi and that such shell occur will take buffer zone and will hold lebanes and syrian govern respons for israel not demand thi hold buffer zone that bargain posit hold your neighbor land israel not occupi secur zone free charg pai price for that onc israel withdraw lost bargain chip negoci tabl save soldier live that content lebanon will agre condit israel quit left doesn that lebanes can disarm hizbolah and maintain peac that complet untru hizbollah minor forc lebanes polit real heavi weight syria alli gov support syria lebanes armi troop and unifi never hizbollah can moral justif attack israel proper isra withdraw that draw ir lebanes syrian and isra gov israel withdraw and such act hizbolllah attack israel akin polit and moral suicid basil adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	clinton view jerusalem pyux bellcor feigenbaum benjamin write recent read that bill clinton campaign state that elect immedi recogn jerusalem israel capit articl clinton reaffirm thi win presid recent talk presid mubarak secretari state christoph state that statu jerusalem will final matter discuss parti don want start big discuss statu jerusalem want can authent clinton statement date place etc recent interview middl east insight magazin clinton that support move embassi jerusalem not thi time interrupt peac talk msilverm nyx edu cub like freedom basebal geddi lee
talk.politics.mideast	you serbian greek connect apr freenet carleton freenet carleton suat kiniklioglu write reiter that your terminolog describ event extrem mislead cypru not occupi turkish forc invit turkish cypriot and interven didn realiz thi that perhap you print flyer thi topic and your reason for think you you distribut world popul you don peopl awar thi fact you for tell truth btw start send your flyer each offici you distribut your flyer you hide you that onc peopl read you will lock you mental institut and don will you strang strang world you live feel for you neophyto iacov univers minnesota email iacov umn edu comput scienc depart rutger umn iacov
talk.politics.mideast	basil opinion water brain articl qmdtlinnkrc earli bird shaig shai gudai write articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu hasan mcrcim mcgill edu write articl apr nysernet org astein nysernet org alan stein write guess hasan final reveal sourc claim that israel divert water lebanon imagin alan stein astein israel nysernet org water head never that israel divert lebanes river fact that israel into southern lebanon make that water us lebanes side that water run into jordan river israel will us head post hard evid fact difficult you not bother substanti thi basil you evid that support thi agre shai refer isra plan litani river find hard evid had mention that report commiss studi litani river draft form isra gov commiss studi river that ben wolf litani start bekaa vallei lebanon flow southward west across south lebanon and discharg into mediterranean citi tyre river such hasbani and wazzani that start lebanes territori join jordan river mention plan that divert water litani into water flow natur into lac houl evid divers structur long area mountain inaccess and occupi israel not independ report exist divers structur anoth mention divers deep well rumor that isra well tap into deep aquif and draw water isra side border such well us costli oper high energi cost and lebanes and isra gov agre distribut water share aquif part peac plan and bilater negoci region issu fact that war thi time led current state affair withdraw such aquif complet unregul basil hasan shai gudai stealth bomber softwar engin think machin corp wing ninja ski cambridg
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl bce new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write articl apr yuma acn colost edu lanc colost edu write your view thi entir matter seren side and select naiv oooh that hurt will not suffer you naiv and side view mine skip articl futur wise tim and good dai basil
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl shaig apr compos shaig compos shai gudai write snip imagin not terrorist camp you and isra view villag small commun kid plai soccer street women prepar lunch men plai card etc not argu that even villag terrorist camp come close serv that purpos and that not that not function that prior invas villag describ closest come describ mine agre villag civilian popul desert close isra line and get bomb such villag remain inhabit guerilla and elderli for part typic south lebanon villag mine civilian and guerilla live togeth inhabit hous famili larg member famili involv hizollah not that hard south lebanon israel not fight armi drawn battl line guerilla tyoe resist definit and necess blend local populac not evil coward that us women and children shield that can fight power equip occupi armi villag and you describ not larg number group area back organ wide rang purpos hizbollah and amal two larger and hizbollah and amal main two militia hizbollah peopl tend commit resistr oper and motiv religi convict retali mistak made that cry indiscrimin bomb produc major casualti mixtur sometim israel choos target carefulli time send pilot sorti aim town gener sinc that attack that specif villag intellig occas israel retalli civilian refuge camp even north lebanon show that will not sit idli soldier attack time direct sla dirti work and indiscrimin shell lebanes villag side experienc thi shell occas thi sla militia sometim even despis isra troop disagre that israel willingli withdraw lebanes gov field reliabl forc area polic and prevent attack hope you isra willing withdraw contend that withdraw for israel secur sinc reduc militari loss and claim that lebanes and syrian gov prevent attack northern israel incent for syrian and lebanes goovern hizbollah bomb israel proper such circumst and lebanes govern proven that capabl control and disarm militia part lebanon syrian gov happi israel sink into anoth lebanes morass elabor hmm disagre serv syria interest syria lebanon will guarante northern israel secur return for isra withdraw don syria israel involv protector lebanon syria sit negoti tabl come accept that and polit resolut renew hostil lebanes front put peac negoti back question agre case isar soldier kill cannot qualifi murder matter you regret situat agre that loss human life deplor and regrett shai gudai stealth bomber softwar engin think machin corp wing ninja ski cambridg basil
talk.politics.mideast	suicid bomber attack territori attent israel line recipi fridai april two arab kill and idf soldier wound west bank car bomb explos israel defens forc radio galei zahal report todai that car bomb explos west bank todai kill two palestinian and wound idf soldier blast believ work suicid bomber radio report car pack butan ga explod two park buse belong idf and civilian buss flame blast kill arab man work nearbi snack bar mehola settlement israel radio report state that man kill set bomb offici haemek hospit afula idf soldier injur blast suffer light moder injuri danni keren
talk.politics.mideast	invest yehuda and shomron todai israelin post end afterthought read monei alloc build infrastructur territori creat job for palestinian kol yisrael report that public work gear build infrastructur cost million isra shekel million dollar will begin sundai territori thi announc last night prime minist yitzhak rabin and financ minist avraham shohat effort creat job for palestinian resid territori thi infus monei will bring alloc develop infrastructur territori thi year million ni last year figur million ni applaud invest monei yehuda shomron chevel azza order creat job for resid find deplor that thi never activ polici isra administr sinc regard jewish resid past govern found fund subsid cheap read afford hous and requisit infrastructur invest for creat industri gener incom and job year yehuda and shomron remain barren bereft even middl size industri and jewish settlement steril bedroom commun haven for main isra secular and religi work tel aviv jerusalem cannot afford live citi surround suburb bli giboosh ayn kivoosh live wasn had settl settl for potemkin villag and pai price and for for ourselv yonatan horen jew not base advocaci jewish posit and interest judaism essenti racist horen netcom moral defens ground for preserv jew separ peopl rest religi ident jew
talk.politics.mideast	free man propaganda machin freeman blood israel articl qev innnk earli bird shaig shai gudai write articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu hasan mcrcim mcgill edu write for isra menahim begal begin and yitzhak shakh shamir leader cute real cute can you stop childish and issu gang that massacr palestinean and hero israel and prime minist forgot ben gurion hope enjoi coffin isra donot support doubt oppress and kill you mean mass murder jew west bank hasan shai gudai naftali naftali stramer intergraph electron internet nstramer dazixco ingr lookout road suit voic fax boulder qualiti job and job watch that can
talk.politics.mideast	car bomb west bank israelin two arab kill and idf soldier wound west bank car bomb explos israel defens forc radio galei zahal report todai that car bomb explos west bank todai kill two palestinian and wound idf soldier blast believ work suicid bomber radio report car pack butan ga explod two park buse belong idf and civilian buss flame blast kill arab man work nearbi snack bar mehola settlement israel radio report state that man kill set bomb offici haemek hospit afula idf soldier injur blast suffer light moder injuri arab that kill mossad not count murder naftali naftali stramer intergraph electron internet nstramer dazixco ingr lookout road suit voic fax boulder qualiti job and job watch that can
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl apr yuma acn colost edu long lanc colost edu basil hamdan write articl shaig apr compos shaig compos shai gudai write that hard south lebanon israel not fight armi drawn battl line guerilla tyoe resist definit and necess blend local populac not evil coward that us women and children shield that can fight power equip occupi armi that true perspect worthwhil note that such case populac suffer attempt control guerilla case past palestinian gun emplac situat villag argument that can made for small arm fire can not made for field piec hizbollah and amal main two militia hizbollah peopl tend commit resistr oper and motiv religi convict recal amal primarili nationalist lebanon for lebanes motiv that differ matter fund and support question come mind that you claim hizbollah commit etc and that state posit peac talk peac talk peac talk israel assum that lebanon and syria sincer desir for peac hasn hizbollah disarm hope you isra willing withdraw contend that withdraw for israel secur sinc reduc militari loss and claim that lebanes and syrian gov prevent attack northern israel bear mind and that militari loss palat civilian you can understand israel slow act that manner syrian gov happi israel sink into anoth lebanes morass elabor hmm disagre serv syria interest syria lebanon will guarante northern israel secur return for isra withdraw don syria israel involv protector lebanon syria sit negoti tabl come accept that and polit resolut renew hostil lebanes front put peac negoti back question agre that syria lebanon part greater syria don necessarili that syrian unhappi israel neck anoth lebanes morass afterwhich syria continu merri schedul isra public opinion lead second pullout agre that loss human life deplor and regrett sigh can gov negoti easili peopl shai gudai stealth bomber softwar engin think machin corp wing ninja ski cambridg
talk.politics.mideast	account anti armenian human right violat azerbaijan account anti armenian human violat azerbaijan prelud current event nagorno karabakh that februari peopl stream street shout long live turkei and glori turkei and trial that ismailov that mean glori turkei don understand turkei thi live soviet union that turkei told you you kill armenian don understand glori turkei ask that question twice and answer answer deposit emma setrakovna sargisian born cook sumgait emerg hospit resid build apart block sumgait azerbaijan thi dai can understand husband older man kill kill for hadn hurt hadn word oughtn kill want find govern husband kill return work saturdai son home doesn work straight kitchen and call mamma soccer game shout lenin street that live don igor haven turn look and mamma courtyard and peopl aw march march hundr thousand you can even shout armenian kill armenian tear armenian piec god that happen for had noth that point live togeth friendship and suddenli thi complet unexpect and shout long live turkei and had flag and shout man walk front dress grai raincoat walk and can make vent window walk and and children shout tear armenian piec and armenian shout and shout hurrah peopl stream end walk group and group that women god women and son aren women mamma bad women didn long time walk and shout and afraid simpli couldn sit balconi and azerbaijani neighbor balconi and khalida happen emma don don don happen quit frighten had white stick each second had white rod wave rod head walk and front leader white stick armatur shaft white don husband home minut come home and dear frighten kill bet and you afraid children that happen come children had and year kid technic and vocat school don fear noth noth that bad didn eat lai sofa and televis broadcast that two azerbaijani had kill karabakh askeran heard that couldn settl walk and and kill azerbaijani kill and don afraid heard central squar women shout stage shout thing and you couldn hear you speak azerbaijani listen close window and bed noth happen listen bit and close window and bed and told come sleep noth sleep mean sleep son and stood window two morn watch sick and thi affect igor you bed bed minut and sat window and bed thing had calm slightli sundai dai husband and come emma todai dai rest aren you make tea felt startl and and you can you dai todai don for god sake you never listen and you not listen don car garag car and come close door and staircas mutter couldn make coward close door and left and start clean pick thing hous quiet clock noon bu station neighbor told car burn khalida car emma don afraid govern car and zhiguli car gaz volga and wait clock clock and wasn home kill shagen tire burn town black smoke town and afraid stand balconi and bodi shake god kill basic wait that ten clock and hadn come home and afraid ten clock across build build bookstor and upstair second floor thrown window and igor and don want thi and turn doesn want want hide anoth join mamma burn and polic stand twenti policemen stand side and crowd side and two peopl throw balconi and balconi shout you stand for burn threw televis wow bomb neighbor floor balconi and shout you that you burn thing peopl save such difficulti bui thing for home you burn and courtyard yell insid insid don you your build not meant armenian didn armenian ran downstair place and emma emma you leav kill shagen live for won live for shagen kill insist emma khalida and give kei come that daughter apart that visit gave kei and neighbor couldn endur igor you stai downstair and papa papa meanwhil kill two brother alik and valeri albert and valeri avanesian account rima avanesian and alvina baluian courtyard crowd build shout howl and didn that kill time alik and valeri live corner hous across our into courtyard azerbaijani neighbor young man year madar uncl shagen dead garag garag bring corps into hous shout aunt emma you you back into hous for will happen you madar come wouldn you stai and look and back and aunt emma garag close madar and return and aunt emma kill alik and valeri wheez madar want scoundrel don put you scare young and back and call ambul will come alik live grew togeth courtyard knew each had good term call not singl telephon work had shut call and call and call and call noth upstair neighbor igor two polic car drove headlight not touch ly ly watch window clock and downstair apart didn cloth lai couch not bed and six clock morn and igor you stai home don don anywher find papa dead aliv kei work six clock emerg hospit head doctor and anoth doctor open door morgu run and doctor shagen you mean shagen want wouldn peopl aw didn shagen not aliv come back clock morn and panel truck policemen peopl hospit sara baji sister sara term endear brought shagen shout and and back and emma tan shoe younger person shagen happen tan shoe light tan that guess immedi and doctor brought shagen dead you carri that dead dead aliv and back face immedi that dead knew anoth shagen had work for long time doctor shagen emma not doctor you deceiv find not todai tomorrow and scream offic emma calm anoth colleagu that doctor had shagen hideou condit calm wasn shagen minut anoth colleagu come and poor emma that hope left that dai aw endlessli bring dead and injur peopl night home igor papa kill morn left igor home and hospit had buri and that hospit surround soldier wear dark cloth hei citizen you work and insid shout that cook head doctor offic and person citi health depart us work hospit emma shagen baku night wound and dead baku doctor will buri take care that don you worri you you spend night home you mean you home you home alon igor you can stai home get ambul wait second head doctor come arrang ambul you put lab coat and for igor you and bring igor patient and you stai and last name kagramanov head doctor name izyat jamalogli sadukhov ambul arriv and home and igor admit patient gave privat room isol room stai hospit polic car and emma and women colleagu polic car anxiou and you take kill and investig you that make posit identif baku and into morgu can rememb hospit investig not shagen and casket ly top anoth mind can investig identifi mark cloth shoe even sock recogn isn bodi gold teeth and finger half finger shagen carpent had injur work brought sleev shirt and sweater wear brought and burn shout burn shout don fell sat don rememb and that investig fine fine sinc identifi that cloth and sinc teeth sinc gold teeth told emma time buri shagen cri can buri shagen son and sick inform rel sister can you situat will karabagh will yerevan transport imposs kill februari and buri march buri sumgait ask you want buri want buri karabagh born buri karabagh shout and head burial offic guess you mean karabagh mean arson you mean arson don karabagh world that kill and want karabagh don anymor beg plead griev even knee buri and month six month year calm you move karabagh trial sumgait conclud investig murder tale ismailov told happen trial wriggl soften crime brought videotap record guess and plai and ismailov that you you describ scene crime and you tell differ forgot that wit and that crimin creep that car mir street crowd peopl shagen had volga gaz peopl surround car and involv thi ismailov gui thi tale unclear start pull shagen car left side car anoth side pull sport jacket had jacket your nation armenian crowd shout armenian kill kill start beat broke rib and heart don aw thi tale gui had armatur shaft pick ly bush that pick wit that had had hit twice onc twice head that rod and that start beat shagen sit ground and hit fell left nearbi burn thing apart kill and back that shagen aliv not you want finish and aliv you back hit back and look and dead that that bastard tale that home you you snake you thief and murder shagen had had monei jacket and watch wrist didn overturn and burn car that tale longer peopl that turn car and burn that hasn clarifi told investig can you trial you don burn car didn you haven straighten that unjust burn car ly and fire spread death certif that had degre burn percent bodi and kill husband carpent good craftsman knew even fix car hand children son igor time older pyatigorsk and younger serv armi and fatherless couldn sit procur read year depriv freedom mind didn can that you you that intent murder and sentenc year depriv freedom scream had mind that creep bare hand rel restrain and militari peopl thi isn soviet trial thi unjust that shout and left that februari peopl stream street shout long live turkei and glori turkei and trial that ismailov that mean glori turkei don understand turkei thi live soviet union that turkei told you you kill armenian don understand glori turkei ask that question twice and answer answer yerevan refer sumgait tragedi pogrom armenian soviet azerbaijan volum eyewit account edit samuel shahmuradian forward yelena bonner publish aristid caratza page david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
talk.politics.mideast	deir yassin articl apr rit edu bdm rit edu brendan mckai write previous post quotat irgun particip that total destroi begin whitewash desir post brendan bdm anu edu you appar you sort man judg and juri can declar total victori and sit back and enjoi applaus you pick wrong topic you rig quotat can sustain legend and lie deir yassin massacr you lot learn come histor methodolog basic level you that big differ weigh evid fairli and find quotat that support your preset opinion you studi histori israel you that sourc your quotat ax grind and you care you quot for exampl meir you cite gener scholar and war hero that doesn mean that come mouth gold fact and your lack experi show such fanat embitt leftist that anti israel blather forget anti irgun blather consid treason israel context you don thi you find juici quotat that you can us attack israel benni morri hashom hatzair repres scholar rehash attack irgun don fool zionist ideolog catfight surfac attack likud govern you will close section deir yassin book war independ you will indict pure hot air and thi can decad dig for sort damn evid for book parad scholarli forc put footnot you can that deir yassin account base noth deir yassin massacr never place propagandist sabra and shatila massacr you feel peopl blame jew for massacr even make sound spici even jew for reason don confus you deir yassin massacr stuff fact scholarship you stick begin version you find contradict vic
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror tsiel write isra soldier kill hama mujahid anti tank missil almost that terrorist zionist not cut bodi desintegr missil missil didn hit directli such that bodi get desintegr destroi hous kill not surgic oper cleveland freenet edu foo foo
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talk.politics.mideast	turkei cypru bosnia serbia greec armenia azeri articl apr usag csd unsw hydra math unsw edu write heard turk thi and surpis that don read rememb treati sevr consequ axi power wwi turk intern law suppos minor greek armenian kurd turk kurd relat improv slightli time and not pose threat turkei neighbour turk blatantli reject thi treati german grudgingli accept versail million time wors for health and pride german peopl greek had armi british and french back enforc sevr possibl exampl appeas young turk govern manag screw treati laussan weak alli thi greek forc destroi smyrna thi occur incid french warship harbour and greek escap swam french warship and climb aboard arm cut french claw side ship liberta egalita fraternata that you suppos read that major differ opinion legitimaci sevr thattreati sign ottoman empir legal not bind republ turkei independ movement not young turk natur reject hand that accept german absurd cosequ such harsh treati hitler second sevr treati even wors versail divid ottoman empir influenc zone had capit occupi economi alli control armi minish noth polic forc short countri name you live such condit and for record donot feel for soldier kill izmir harbour evacu citi greek forc burn serv for fool alli promis that your fault you not come anatolia enforc sevr part plunder burak ucer
talk.politics.mideast	lezgian astir azerbaijan and daghestan shit face david that you dont want your shitti write post man told you you get itchi your fuck countri hei and dont give that freedom speach bullshit onc your freedom end you start write thing peopl and translat thi ebenin donu butti kafa david bye anacim hade timucin kaan timucin georgia institut technolog atlanta georgia decvax hplab ncar purdu rutger gatech prism internet prism gatech edu
talk.politics.mideast	deir yassin you that massacr deir yassin sabra and shatila you good joke not and not such thing jewish kill wwii palestinian davidian for fourti year and fact kill war time place peopl die that get kill vietamies didn die vietnam war kill american napalm pyromaniac and that jew like ga chamber and forc thought snife cocain you thi isn stupid stupid you time you want lie intellig sincer hassan
talk.politics.mideast	brendan mckai clarifi nazi racial theori brendan mckai arf come rescu nazi racial theori distress brendan point that eugen solut jewish problem elia propos smack pure nazism fact that elia propos cast entir problem abnorm presenc isra societi middl east and that buri slam aid israel midst even hand solut jewish question made obviou had mind disolv jewish politi that nazi doctrin rectif abnorm presenc jewish peopl larger bodi polit whether your solut involv ga monetari incent poor jew marri feisal husseini disolv zionist entiti forc engag normal surround arab cultur you engag nazi project obviou your statement will not comment lack elia propos strike glanc blow brendan you easili you will not comment you complicit your fascin nazi racial theori chri metcalf articl apr rit edu bdm rit edu brendan mckai write unconvent propos for peac middl east elia davidsson emerg consider number mix marriag israel palestin rel side divid make conflict lose ethnic and unsolubl core and strengthen emerg civil societi exist strong mix stock peopl integr isra societi into sound racial theori that hitler outlin mein kampf similar will not comment lack elia propos want that distress that two peopl profoundli ignor nazi racial doctrin not elia idea opposit nazi believ racial puriti not racial assimil instruct exampl nazi attitud gypsi nazi theoretician gypsi aryan race persecut and huge number murder european gypi consid not pure gypsi mongrel form pure gypsi race and undesir race thi kei differ theoret approach jew and gypsi true that end wwii even purist gypsi hunt theori forgotten brendan email bdm anu edu
talk.politics.mideast	legal jewish purchas question motiv arab sold land jew publicli critic sale land jew jew and not arab advantag price jew paid for barren land time price fertil land sold for unit state time alan stein astein israel nysernet org
talk.politics.mideast	anti zionism racism musicb mcgill write syria expans author write that thought zionism racism and that wrong correct time zionism racism and thankfulli mcgill daili student newspap mcgill proud print articl you want copi send mail steve felt import add letter that steve left subject header alan stein astein israel nysernet org
talk.politics.mideast	turkei cypru bosnia serbia greec armenia azeri articl finaid auvm american edu finaid auvm american edu write messag apr new uiowa edu napoleon respond coupl million greek live asia minor had protect not that you take advantag weak ottoman empir grab land you green light alli forc you occupi izmir and citi western turkei you kill and rape million peopl reason you paid price mustafa kemal ataturk made you swim aegean sea not your aggress turkei anytim past not you reward and not you anywher don swallow propaganda truth sir british promis venizelo greek that greek popul area ottoman will greec will agre drag greec side british wwi greek king progerman british succeed bombard athen kill quit forc abdic king divis greec into two separ state north south and final lai ground for disaster divis greek for centuri don feel bitter that alli gave green light like british succe establish venizelo war start second front german south fight war east russian and final wwii end that british and french forgot immedi promis even publicli that support greek practic not noth usual reason and crap rhetor pretext gradual backup kemal had british water and bread that will dissolv superethn ottoman and contract into small ethnic state main drive thi british switch plan muslim state region buffer russian expans into warm water facil greek empir orthodox christian state prone becom russian client thi intrigu current state affair establish land venizelo and kemal promot true giant british sinc work realiz goal region plan greec and turkei recipi big militari fund function anti russian buffer simultan remain good client state dept us terror chang balanc power aegean will us exact ration you cypru problem don make anti rhetor thi situat region and previous mention power not special fucntion function histori don select singl relev current afair
talk.politics.mideast	armenia shoot turkish plane armenia shoot turkish plane david ljunggren moscow april reuter armenia accus turkei fridai fly weapon and troop across armenian airspac azerbaijan and strongli hint shoot plane local journalist yerevan separ itar tass new agenc armenian forc had halt latest offens swallow tenth azerbaijan and tension transcaucasian region soar journalist armenian capit quot armen duliyan head armenian defenc ministri press centr ankara had send plane time dai azerbaijan arm and troop armenian leadership will warn turkei impermiss such action journalist quot duliyan such step pursu futur will recours measur mean includ modern anti aircraft unit turkei share border armenia support azerbaijan conflict armenian popul nagorno karabakh region peopl kill sinc fight erupt turkish foreign ministri fridai had plane azerbaijan contain humanitarian aid turkish foreign ministri spokesman thursdai not comment directli report hurriyet newspap that consign rocket rocket launcher ammunit and light weapon had arriv azerbaijan turkei duliyan turkei had send truck dai carri troop and arm border azeri autonom territori nakhichevan flown across armenian airspac azeri capit baku respons for consequ will born countri afford militari assist airspac armenia deni formal role conflict that troop involv fight enclav tass karabakh forc decid fridai suspend offens entir armenian azerbaijani front karabakh author reportedli readi give independ inspector chanc for spot that enclav leadership strive achiev ceasefir agenc armenian presid levon ter petrosyan call for two stage ceasefir karabakh arriv belaru capit minsk fridai for summit commonwealth leader stage settlement involv ceasefir and secur protect karabakh popul tass quot ceasefir broker conflict collaps second stage involv discuss and find solut legal issu that clarif statu nagorno karabakh republ declar full independ last year move not recognis countri armenia insist that separ karabakh deleg part futur peac talk azerbaijan reject local new agenc baku fridai that interior minist iskend gamidov fieri nationalist and hardlin territori disput armenia had resign turan new agenc quit thursdai and had clear offic khabar servi agenc replac militari command baku polic major gener abdullah allakhverdiyev offici confirm david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
talk.politics.mideast	armenia shoot turkish plane dear friend graduat student educ univers tennesse part requir for research class music educ design questionnair colect data for research project studi intend determin techniqu us teach music for deaf you experi music educ for deaf and thi project your appreci you want exchang idea subject matter feel work thi area for brazil brazilian and and pleas result hope that thi inquiri will not inconveni you for time and consider questionnair teach music for deaf children name address mail emploi institut year experi grade level educ background bachelor master doctor profession field special educ music educ you check your major school system requir music taught deaf children school system not thought possibl teach music for children hear limit questionnair design find teacher face issu teach not teach music for deaf part thi studi determin teacher attitud music program for deaf children direct read question and circl number that describ your attitud music for deaf children left column and circl not applic whether you task column strongli disagre di disagre neu neutral not applic agre strongli agre di neu compet deaf children can educ music deaf children regular music class special music teacher poss train varieti commun method us deaf children prepar lesson teacher mind that deaf children present special order particip music activ deaf and normal hear children music class togeth succes music experi deaf child depend teacher creativ and commit subject matter deaf children can learn music will never musician perform deaf children not discrimin and recogn sound deaf children can not distinguish loud and soft sound deaf children can never match music head note music instrument materi start music class for deaf folk song replac militari command baku polic major gener abdullah allakhverdiyev offici confirm david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
talk.politics.mideast	republ turkei sold tone armenian bone yarn cargo human bone copyright york time compani special cabl york time pari dec marseil excit weird stori arriv that port ship fly british flag and name zan carri mysteri cargo ton human bone consign manufactur bone load mudania sea marmora and remain victim massacr asia minor view rumor circul expect that inquiri will instig refer york time decemb page column bottom commemor anniversari turkish genocid armenian rememb crime armenian shadow emerg turkish proto fascist state name demand justic april turkish govern began systemat execut popul eastern anatolian homeland armenian genocid extermin thi genocid insur that turk exclus rule geograph area todai call republ turkei result million murder billion dollar armenian properti stolen and plunder thi genocid end year armenian civil land todai turkish govern continu scrape clean vestig prior armenian exist land todai turkish government polici write histori era manufactur distort and gener excus for genocid armenian peopl face refut nauseam turkish histor societi and croni shamelessli continu deni that such genocid occur thi polici demonstr that modern era genocid effect state polici remain redress and punish crime unpunish crime encourag adolf hitler thi cue year success genocid armenian turkei claim systemat deport armenian armenian remov citi town and villag turkei armenian resist deport and massacr refer rebel turkei claim genocid armenian turkish popul figur todai show armenian eastern turkei armenian homeland turkei claim armenian small minor turkei claim armenian threat final insult victim republ turkei sold bone approxim murder armenian for profit europ todai turkish govern enjoi fruit that genocid success thi genocid hang head turkei kurdish popul armenian demand recognit repar return armenian land and properti lost result thi genocid armenian demand justic ermenil adalet istiyor david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia not learn lesson center for region studi anatolia and forgotten box punish inflict cambridg late turkish presid turgut ozal
talk.politics.mideast	armenia shoot turkish plane henrik student region kill alia davidian not davidian religio sect write greater armenia stretch karabakh black sea mediterranean you us term greater armenia us care final you you dream mediterranean that area will greater year your holocaust number azeri end announc win karabakh remov armenian presid azerbaijan elchibei power last year announc swim lake sevan armeniaxn juli juli usa sweden april and cold you chang your calendar wrong elchibei shell armenian karabakh aghdam peopl will pai price elchibei shell karabakh fizuli peopl will pai price elchibei think can bomb armenia hill kelbajar peopl will pai price noth mention true true azeri women and children pai price rape kill and tortur armenian you heard call geneva convent you facist ohhh forgot thi armenian fight forgot you kill rape and tortur kurd and turk onc time and thi kurd refuge stori stori simpl fabric sourc baku modifi ankara exampl thi armenia border iran and ridicul stori intercept armenian militari convers appear york time supposedli translat unknown armenian into azeri turkish submit unnam special correspond time baku real accur ohhhh swedish redcross worker lie you region killer you don person shoot that your polici search turkish plane you don you talk sinc content announc weapon big mouth ozal militari weapon provid azerbaijan turkei demirel and you confus confus you facist you delet text don chang wrote search turkish plane you don you talk turkei govern announc that give weapon azerbadjan sinc armenia start attack azerbadjan not karabag provinc search plane for weapon sinc content announc weapon that confus that you and give weapon azeri sinc armenian start fight azerbadjan you correct turkish plane simpli shot nice slow move air transport shoot armenian bread and butter arm and personel russian armi hilmi eren stockholm univers
talk.politics.mideast	zionism racism articl apr mcgill musicb mcgill write syria expans author write that thought zionism racism and that wrong correct time zionism racism and thankfulli mcgill daili student newspap mcgill proud print articl you want copi send mail steve articl zionism major peopl heard emit thi ignor statement not zionism associ polit situat middl east steve let zionism michael
talk.politics.mideast	new brief mack post noth statist signific rel small popul growth rate sampl period small end thi not small per cent annual popul growth rate impli doubl approx year can you imagin that peopl not and that deni that thi problem exist for industrialis countri low growth rate larg environment impact iran high growth rate threaten thing acceler desertif due intens agricultur deforest and water tabl drop similar california thi year rain won save you stanford thi blame current govern incompet for drop live standard iran gruss bruce scott deadliest bullshit max planck institut fuer plasmaphysik odorless and transpar bd spl aug ipp garch mpg gibson
talk.politics.mideast	account anti armenian human violat azerbaijan account anti armenian human violat azerbaijan prelud current event nagorno karabakh slaughter armenian and afraid moscow even heard that moscow watch and listen and realiz that thi joke deposit yuri vagarshakovich musaelian born line electrician sumgait streetcar and trolleybu administr resid build apart block narimanov street sumgait azerbaijan spent almost februari overhaul short dai work work eleven eleven thirti and left for home decid for short walk primorski park walk past etern flame and group peopl stand had walk anoth yard heard screech automobil brake turn head sound light blue gaz volga that peopl stand car man and woman man expens dress suit and woman raincoat doesn head and hair sightli reddish hair heavi set woman year trunk peopl start becom curiou pull close heard turn didn tape record put ground etern flame honor baku commissar and form tight circl tell come listen azerbaijani had ask azerbaijani hear appeal brother muslim time come and that line didn understand walk group owner tape record circl drew tighter peopl start come direct and comment start slaughter armenian and afraid moscow even heard that moscow watch and listen and realiz that thi joke quietli left and home that work had heard that karabagh that demonstr peopl kind thing didn idea wife and son home daughter aunt hous baku didn wife sat and drank tea two clock hous suddenli nois whistl and shout look window and crowd crowd move slowli show black south africa strike demonstr and move slowli wife ask don put outdoor cloth and find crowd peopl shout armenian and death armenian wait for entir crowd pass narimanov street side club and citi parti committe turn and traffic street baku commissar streetcar line home and told wife demonstr fact thought that kind demonstr that had had yerevan and karabagh thing shout surpris that young peopl crowd and minor draft ag wife and son want upstair visit friend kind uneasi and stai home hour hour and half wasn keep track time can exactli long and anoth crowd narimanov side microdistrict bazaar and rossiya movi theater put cloth and nois uproar and crowd grown peopl and time individu shout thi time focus aggress wrong thi isn demonstr run stop walk quickli and make sharp dash and run walk sidewalk and street think watch and knew thi lead lenin squar squar club side and citi parti committe squar and heard nois and shout town had turn sort ralli closer and hear exclam appeal heard anti armenian and anti soviet appeal don perestroika want live mean live azerbaijani work peopl live expens govern and expens specul theft and cheat time and not azerbaijan republ never anywher azerbaijan thi ralli that armenian apart and drive beat and drive true didn hear kill microphon heard beat and drive stai squar minut longer anoth stage and stop crowd side crowd small group peopl and mvd ministri intern affair state secur kgb uniform policemen didn pacifi crowd peopl come stage had final decid that thi end badli thi demonstr and had protect famili left squar return home and suddenli notic truck citi parti committe narimanov street stood tai lor shop low truck and had low wooden panel that thing unload crate sort decid appeal apprehens and thought weapon pull crate squar not citi parti committe club and that case vodka two peopl hand case bed truck and ground peopl hand truck and each case carri two peopl two peopl case vodka and man stand truck and hand roundish black lump size fist bigger smaller anasha pass that person stood side yard and half and two peopl stand packag hand and pull anasha and hand never smoke onc for fun lot peopl smoke time and stroll and ask glass bazaar heard howl warlik shout turn and run thought caught that carri flag and recogn person carri flag side street young gui year carri red flag had ermeni oryum written azerbaijani that mean death armenian that gui us live courtyard don name father father name rafik us cook and head chef us dark blue zhiguli van sold and white zhiguli famili live courtyard build narimanov street and street baku commissar apart entrywai floor door left rafik brother live and rafik heard apart eighth microdistrict word son carri flag that death armenian surpris thi had impress that thi nonsens not peopl sumgait azerbaijani agdam and kafan home wife upset told pass young kid whoop natur didn want overli upset surg crowd and thi time break glass hear break couldn machin motion weren hand that vodka and anasha for noth didn peopl drink and smoke spot hadn unload vodka and hashish put store window thought flash head that machin run stop weren even polic and not that polic weren break joke good time true time couldn even imagin that govern vaunt leadership and not afraid word peopl di women abus and abomin couldn imagin that vaunt author and specif tout author citi sumgait couldn imagin that such thing place start break glass told wife and son upstair neighbor grigorian fourth floor and even crowd start past onc stop corner place call that bazaar and crowd run and yard entranc bazaar respect men year crowd run and wave arm and point bazaar and crowd person wheel and race bazaar and not soul past limit churn nois and glass fly spent night neighbor apart floor defend morn bui bread and happen town hunch never found happen peopl stand bread and back had gather person ly hunch sort enclos stand you couldn even that morn februari rest yerevan refer sumgait tragedi pogrom armenian soviet azerbaijan volum eyewit account edit samuel shahmuradian forward yelena bonner publish aristid caratza page david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
talk.politics.mideast	iran end terror link washington upi senior state depart offici tuesdai rule soften attitud iraq relat iran islam regim improv substanti that govern disassoci intern terror despit name call and harsh rhetor across gulf despit thi not posit perman hostil islam republ iran david mack deputi assist secretari for eastern affair primari object iran intern behaviour includ extend support violenc disrupt arab isra peac process and rapid build danger weapon mack iran contribut region stabil and peac end behaviour threaten thi area mack spoke gcc busi confer aim promot gulf american trade middl east will item high agenda administr import gulf underlin secretari state warren christop visit last year saudi arabia and kuwait anywher world mack ad that long term plan station troop gulf mack insist that clinton administr will continu pressur iraq compli secur resolut long iraq rule saddam hussein not expect complianc mack told deleg copyright upi newsbyt
talk.politics.mideast	final solut for gaza center for polici research cpr subject final solut for gaza final solut for gaza ghetto isra jew fete upris warsaw ghetto repress violent mean upris gaza ghetto and attempt starv gazan gaza strip thi tini area land highest popul densiti world cut world for week isra occupi decid punish popul gaza peopl deni leav strip and seek work israel polish jew risk live save jew ghetto isra jew risk life gazan resist gazan isra jew dozen peopl humanitarian assist gazan popul resist occup recogn intern law and person sens justic popul deni basic human right entitl rise tormentor isra regim gazan unworthi isra citizenship and equal right israel consid worthi dirti work isra hotel shop and field gazan born town and villag locat israel not live for area reserv for master race nazi regim accord resid warsaw ghetto administr select jew pacifi occupi popul and prevent form resist jewish collabor kill israel wish rule gaza arab collabor israel deni gazan two option compat basic human right and intern law that isra citizen full right respect for determin conclud that isra jewish societi not gazan full human be thi attitud consist attitud nazi jew current polici isra govern cut gaza consist publicli express prime mininist yitzhak rabin that gaza sink into sea led oneself whether isra leader entertain sinist goal gazan whether final solut sleev urg slight human compass can gazan regain full human civil and polit right entitl human be elia davidsson iceland elia ismennt fri apr receiv isgat igc apc org revis fri apr pdt receiv rvik ismennt isgat isnet fri apr gmt receiv rvik ismennt isnet fri apr gmt elia ismennt elia davidsson messag rvik ismennt subject subject file transmiss cpr igc org date fri apr gmt charset ascii char esc statu final solut for gaza ghetto isra jew fete upris warsaw ghetto repress violent mean upris gaza ghetto and attempt starv gazan gaza strip thi tini area land highest popul densiti world cut world for week isra occupi decid punish popul gaza peopl deni leav strip and seek work israel polish jew risk live save jew ghetto isra jew risk life gazan resist gazan isra jew dozen peopl humanitarian assist gazan popul resist occup recogn intern law and person sens justic popul deni basic human right entitl rise tormentor isra regim gazan unworthi isra citizenship and equal right israel consid worthi dirti work isra hotel shop and field gazan born town and villag locat israel not live for area reserv for master race nazi regim accord resid warsaw ghetto administr select jew pacifi occupi popul and prevent form resist jewish collabor kill israel wish rule gaza arab collabor israel deni gazan two option compat basic human right and intern law that isra citizen full right respect for determin conclud that isra jewish societi not gazan full human be thi attitud consist attitud nazi jew current polici isra govern cut gaza consist publicli express prime mininist yitzhak rabin that gaza sink into sea led oneself whether isra leader entertain sinist goal gazan whether final solut sleev urg slight human compass can gazan regain full human civil and polit right entitl human be elia davidsson iceland
talk.politics.mideast	symbiot zionism antisemit center for polici research cpr subject symbiot zionism antisemit zionism and holocaust haim bresheeth point note appropri histori holocaust zionist propaganda that zionism anti semit imposs zionism agre basic tenet anti semit that jew cannot live jew histori and root holocaust back long industru death and destruct not oper root firmli centuri jewish aspir for emancip emerg nation struggl europ hope for liber bourgeoi democrat chang dash altern for improv lot jew europ achiev promin socialist bund mass movement enorm had contend opposit and small almost insignific oppon polit zionist outlin two offer diametr oppos option for jew europ bund suggest join forc rest europ worker zionist propos programm aim rid europ jew set form jewish state histor noth inevit depend balanc forc involv struggl histori can option tree time option chosen rout becom bar that choic movement backward point that choic made imposs zionism option young jew remain minor posit dai reich zionist feder germani zvfd organis repres tini minor german jew select nazi bodi repres jew reich flag interant organis allow fly berlin and thi intern organis allow oper thi period margin posit leader zionist feder propel promin and central that surpris even sudden attain polit power power base not represent select choic nazi regim for deal jewish problem posit negoti nazi agreement that affect live ten thousand jew germani transform utopian margin organis germani and countri europ into real option consid german jew exampl thi transfer agreement immedi nazi takeov jew world support organis world wide boycott german good thi campaign hurt nazi regim and german author search frantic for disabl boycott clear that jew and jewish organis pull campaign collaps thi problem solv zvfd letter nazi parti earli june outlin degre agreement that exist two organis question race nation and natur jewish problem and offer collabor regim realis zionism hurt resent jew abroad german develop boycott propaganda such carri germani wai essenc unzionist zionism not battl convinc and build eager gain credenc and back regim zionist organis manag undermin boycott main public act signatur transfer agreement nazi author zionist congress essenc agreement design germani jew countri and into mandat palestin provid possibl for jew sizeabl part properti countri transfer german good palestin thi deni jew leav destin zionist organis act agent financi organis thi agreement oper number front help jew leav countri break ring boycott export german good larg quantiti palestin and last not enabl regim human and reason even avow enemi jew argu jew not belong europ and jew come and agre new agreement broke boycott doom zionist organ found and deal nazi and import good argu for boycott thi not time that interest movement present german public complementari baron von mildenstein head jewish depart eichmann invit travel palestin thi earli compani zionist leader kurt tuchler spent six month palestin wrote seri favour articl der sturmer describ jew zionism jew nazi accept and understand thi episod establish quit relationship earli dai nazism regim and zvfd relationship that echo number kei instanc even natur final solut clear case thi meant silenc report horror extermin book concentr thi aspect zionist reaction holocaust post ugandan zionism crucibl holocaust beth zvi case kastner episod jim allen plai perdit base even normal excus lack knowledg real natur event not exist occur end war ussr had advanc almost germani itali and african base had lost nazi run number kei countri such rumania leav axi second front matter month western alli prepar forc midst thi find eichmann master bureaucrat industri murder set occupi budapest german takeov countri april act confer jewish leadership and appoint zionist feder member head kastner agent and clear hous for jew and relationship and nazr author thi not difficult oppos poland and half million jew live ghetto and visibl rest polish popul hungarian jew integr part commun middl class jewish jew middl class enjoi freedom travel serv hungarian fascist armi fronlin unit offic and soldier name hungarian eichmann find extermin task not easi million jew hungari resid rest refuge countri had heard fate jew and statement nazi offici peopl had inform and ear frighten jewish popul judenrat thi case judenrat comprsi zionist feder member offic and men hundr hungarian polic not collect and control million jew not even whereabout kastner and left illus eichmann told joel brand member kastner committe that intend send hungari jew auschwitz even start expuls told that jew will die dai condit met committe face simpl choic jew hungari fate neutral rumania escap case hour collabor nazi assist concentr process not believ come sound quit plausibl come mouth zionist leadership that hungarian jew quietli death assur leadership that work camp thirti piec silver thi narr destruct train promin eichmann promis kastner promis last detail for eichmann bargain allow jew surviv price paid for silent collabor death almost million jew jew hungari even locat not murder full collabor kastner and friend doubt hunt jew and scale oper miniscul compar half million di auschwitz import realis that kastner not aberr rumkovski lodz kastner act result strongli held zionist convict action logic outcom earlier posit thi instanc expos gestapo exist british cell saboteur palgi and senesh and persuad give not disrupt oper point trial kastner deni that knew exactli happen jew conclud role plai zionist thi period connect anoth role and plai that alarm world happen europ had inform polit contrari prioriti prioriti and quit simpl that further zionist enterpris palestin price live individu jew and jew secondari thi process requir deal fascist nazi and assort dictatori regim across world
talk.politics.mideast	hebrew labor racist connot center for polici research cpr subject hebrew labor racist connot avoda ivrit hebrew labor hebrew labor concept serv zionist movement for long time doubl barrel messag jew learn physic labor work land land thi countri pass into jewish hand jew learn work aspect two prong concept hebrew labor racist connot hand diaspora jew lack train physic labor myth share zionist and antisemit hand mean practic displac arab farmer sourc livelihood occup and cheap palestinian labor stream occupi territori factori orchard and hot hous israel releg myth hebrew labor histori book and nostalg memori zionist movement blossom anew govern answer problem caus closur territori todai thi concept two function give progress close palestinian popul word environ minist yossi sarid tear for rich cheap labor furnish answer unemploi isra complain oblig work for wage that lower unemploy insur receiv isra govern plan import labor east replac nativ peopl palestinian work countri creat conflict interest two ethnic commun and rule
talk.politics.mideast	adl spy case lo angel time tuesdai april detail extens adl spy oper emerg inquiri transcript reveal year espionag man infiltr polit group richard paddock time staff writer san francisco world roi bullock small time art dealer oper hous castro district realiti undercov spy pick garbag and amass secret file for anti defam leagu for year code name promin jewish organ cal and success infiltr polit group that onc chosen head arab american deleg that visit rep nanci pelosi san francisco washington offic for time cal tap into phone messag system white aryan resist learn hate crime polic sourc obtain privileg person inform peopl and met surreptiti agent south african govern trade knowledg for crisp bill secret that bullock and david gurvitz lo angel base oper divulg extens interview polic and fbi grow scandal nation wide intellig network oper anti defam leagu offici anti defam leagu deni improp activ will cooper investig refus discuss bullock and gurvitz transcript interview page document releas san francisco prosecutor last week offer detail privat spy oper that author alleg cross line into illeg territori time intellig activ cloak and dagger air launder payment shred document hotel rendezv foreign agent and code name ironsid and flipper occas gurvitz recount receiv tip that pro palestinian activist board plane bound for haifa israel anti defam leagu publicli deni ti israel gurvitz phone isra consular offici warn shortli afterward anoth offici call gurvitz back and debrief court paper ad mysteri tom gerard cia agent and san francisco polic offic accus provid confidenti materi polic file anti defam leagu gerard fled philippin last fall interview fbi left briefcas polic locker content includ passport driver licens and identif card name identif card name for american embassi central america and collect blank birth certif armi discharg paper and offici stationeri agenc briefcas extens inform death squad black hood appar for us interrog and photo blindfold and chain men investig suspect that gerard and polic sourc gave adl confidenti driver licens vehicl registr inform vast number peopl includ member target group arab american anti discrimin committe each case obtain such data law enforc offic constitut feloni san francisco polic inspector ron roth note affidavit for search warrant anti defam leagu describ jewish defens and civil right organ acknowledg long collect inform group that anti semit extremist racist adl fact find divis head irwinn suall york enjoi reput for thorough and share inform polic agenc and journalist evid seiz bullock comput show file group polit stripe includ american civil liberti union earth island institut unit farm worker jew for jesu mother jone magazin center for investig report gritz for presid committe asian law caucu and aid activist group act comput file includ inform member congress includ pelosi hous arm servic committe chairman ron dellum berkelei and republican rep pete mccloskei bai area statement bullock and gurvitz anti defam leagu collect inform polit activist lo angel area for year work close lo angel counti sheriff deputi special intellig work lo angel polic depart anti terror expert and san diego counti sheriff depart intellig offic spokesman for lo angel sheriff depart knew noth contact deputi and adl lo angel polic depart earlier refus cooper investig and san diego sheriff depart declin comment bullock intrigu charact spy drama not jewish began work undercov volunt for adl and fbi indiana read book man infiltr communist parti bullock move lo angel and paid posit adl intellig oper told author mid move san francisco and continu spy oper and west coast ident secret salari funnel beverli hill attornei bruce hochman never miss payment year bullock investig for adl investig and anti democrat movement bullock offici contract worker bruce hochman that leagu not offici connect bullock master infiltr group communist arab american gai radic skinhead name onc adopt alia elmer fink kind told polic recent year adl affili increasingli becom and point confront skinhead arm shotgun threaten kill mid help san francisco polic solv bomb synagogu comb trash extremist cori phelp and match handwrit sampl threaten letter obtain polic part thi investig close friend gerard time work san francisco polic intellig divis bullock frequent search garbag target group fbi report note investig palestinian group bullock write report base found trash and share report gerard bullock gave trash gerard for gerard examin gerard return trash bullock wide rang sourc bullock compil file individu and polit group gerard file contain ident entri file peopl bullock and gerard began sell vast wealth inform south african govern bullock tell meet secretli south african agent san francisco hotel and receiv envelop fill thousand dollar bill bullock insist inform sold consist data cull public sourc onc rewrot innocu item publish san francisco chronicl columnist herb caen south african bishop desmond tutu and wife promin attornei melvin belli and submit work bullock gerard sold offici polic intellig bullock split south african govern evenli gerard tell point gai straight arrow interview polic and fbi bullock talk freeli engag activ that prosecutor violat law for exampl bullock admit receiv driver licens record and crimin histori gerard peopl fraction confidenti polic data found comput and gerard gave complet san francisco polic depart intellig file nazi group that suppos destroi depart polici bullock receiv confidenti fbi report nation islam that shred anti defam leagu san francisco offic bullock proud oper eavesdrop us paid inform code name scumbag tap into white aryan resist phone messag network listen messag left member wing group for short time wonder told polic lo angel adl oper gurvitz hire year ago fact finder intellig file and occasion undercov meet target group thing told san francisco author lo angel adl offic record arab american had anti israel lean wrote letter newspap express such sentiment gurvitz recent forc resign incid attempt misus adl intellig network seek reveng rival job gurvitz want simon wiesenth center for holocaust studi gurvitz confidenti polic data rival and threaten expos jewish spy wing hate group gurvitz sinc begun cooper polic and fbi probe provid consider inform adl oper unlik bullock assur not subject investig gurvitz declin father lo angel interview time bullock attornei client not comment yigal aren usc isi made aren isi edu
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talk.politics.mideast	zionism racism apr ifi uio michaelp ifi uio michael schalom preming wrote articl apr mcgill musicb mcgill write syria expans author write that thought zionism racism and that wrong correct time zionism racism and thankfulli mcgill daili student newspap mcgill proud print articl you want copi send mail articl zionism major peopl heard emit thi ignor statement not zionism associ polit situat middl east steve let zionism assum that you mean hear you weren listen told you zionism racism thi tautolog statement session speak for note network address dc witsend tnet author and tmail do mail new shell
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talk.politics.mideast	nazi eugen theori circul articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write propos noth nazi eugen search for peac enabl justic don that justic jew fled expel not permit return homeland jew expel homeland iraq syria jordan algeria etc don deserv justic thi can call pragmat nice word for legitim rule strong can never call justic your critic direct israel never arab state even guilti accus you make you call palestinean and peac justic will never peac thi land for peac formula foolish land for land peac for peac that cost arab and not consider not forget that half israel popul refuge arab countri land occupi arab state and home live arab peopl not includ negoti thi your prescript for peac convict that situat state law attempt discourag mix marriag israel not normal such state resembl nazi germani and south africa western democraci such unit state jew free marri and thousand you manag overlook fact that arab state restrict point fact offici judenrein polici almost arab state make resembl nazi germani chillingli close american jew enjoi thi fact and not love live state term christian state and green card stamp mark jew state christian can live happili offici religion and christian major and christian base law dozen arab and islam state jewish state you problem thi thi jewish state agre you you genuin interest exchang view and person experiencc refrain emot infantil outburst leed reader infer that jew respect judaism uncivil such behaviour not good for judaism you arriv tpm recent support arab and islam camp frequent and massiv guilti emot infantil outburst weaken posit dramat your critic side and simpl mind fund come jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	ten question israel articl aren apr grl isi edu aren isi edu yigal aren write issu not trial close door arrest trial and imprison complet secreci thi appraent attempt case vanunu and fail happen and reason lengthi articl you quot doesn impli thi state that not that like thi akin articl that that usaf captur ufo support liklihood such assert read thi ariv februari possibl public ban baruch iri involv thi matter polit refus request anoth subject delic comment will implicitli admit that true mention specif case even hint guilti make public legal not publish word tell peski report guess israel maintain thi attitud nuclear weapon not maintain attitud presenc nuclear weapon specif naval craft refus acknowledg exist such weapon specif ship warship becom unwelcom zealand declar nuclear free zone state israel never offici admit that for year prison isra citizen sentenc long prison term fact arrest crime accus made public precis court order public ban fact arrest and imprison usaf never offici admit ufo israel citizen imprison citizen thi countri know not know fact that person anoth and thrown prison for secur offens complet secreci thi state fact support evid convinc your report had come name sit jail lost world suggest elvi jfk put thi israel put peopl public arrest legal proceed disappear explain peopl rel friend and colleagu you israel not place peopl made vanish you care give list peopl whereabout unknown peopl presum imprison thi conspiraci stori isn that come associ yigal aren perhap jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	republ turkei sold tone armenian bone dbd urartu sdpa org david davidian write commemor anniversari turkish genocid armenian rememb crime armenian shadow emerg turkish proto fascist state name demand justic april turkish govern began systemat execut popul eastern anatolian homeland armenian genocid extermin thi genocid insur that turk exclus rule geograph area todai call republ turkei result million murder billion dollar armenian properti stolen and plunder thi genocid end year armenian civil land todai turkish govern continu scrape clean vestig prior armenian exist land todai turkish government polici write histori era manufactur distort and gener excus for genocid armenian peopl face refut nauseam turkish histor societi and croni shamelessli continu deni that such genocid occur thi polici demonstr that modern era genocid effect state polici remain redress and punish crime unpunish crime encourag adolf hitler thi cue year success genocid armenian armenian demand justic ermenil adalet istiyor david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia not learn lesson center for region studi anatolia and forgotten box punish inflict cambridg late turkish presid turgut ozal hear hear motion second hovig hovig heghinian univers illinoi urbana champaign depart comput scienc
talk.politics.mideast	israel expans understand israel captur teritori and feel that annex can fulli understand deal palestinian jew treat holocaust final solut hitler total don subsid exist such thorough abus human right wonder
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror not stori nad bias disagre your statement that media ruin israel reput that redicul media pro isra media world live europ realiz that incid such describ letter occur media ignor subsid israel exist and european not not degre that reason report atroc shame that austria daili report inhuman act commit isra soldier and bless receiv govern make holocaust guilt jew treat race power unfortun
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talk.politics.mideast	deir yassin articl morrow stanford edu vxf forsyth stanford edu vic filler write articl apr rit edu bdm rit edu brendan mckai write previous post quotat irgun particip that total destroi begin whitewash desir post brendan bdm anu edu you appar you sort man judg and juri you can declar total victori and sit back and enjoi applaus you pick wrong topic you rig quotat can sustain legend and lie deir yassin massacr don that you make nois you lot learn come histor methodolog that true learn peopl not useless fart basic level you that big differ weigh evid fairli and find quotat that support your preset opinion that time thi group you studi histori israel you that sourc your quotat ax grind and you care you quot for quit true that care select quot exampl meir you cite gener scholar and war hero that doesn mean that come mouth gold fact and your lack experi show such fanat embitt leftist that bullshit fanat bum prove your blah cork anti israel blather forget anti irgun blather consid treason israel context you don thi you find juici quotat that you can us attack israel you read mind benni morri hashom hatzair repres scholar rehash attack irgun don fool zionist ideolog catfight surfac attack likud govern you will close section deir yassin book war independ you will indict pure hot air and thi can decad dig for sort damn evid for book parad scholarli forc put footnot you can that deir yassin account base noth look close larg number sourc you idea you talk deir yassin massacr never place propagandist sabra and shatila massacr you that true account irgun and arab propagandist begin for exampl feel peopl blame jew for massacr even never that feel opposit feel peopl you make sound spici even jew for reason honesti perhap you explain testimoni member irgun found handwrit irgun archiv tel aviv that wound arab kill that group prison massacr that lehi propos extermin pre raid meet exactli reason can you propos that thi testimoni reject favour begin don confus you deir yassin massacr stuff fact scholarship you stick begin version you find contradict thi funni you carri unsupport evid propagandist ax grind and you end tell stick account leader alleg killer you hopeless case can plainli vic brendan
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror virginia edu andi beyer write not stori nad bias disagre your statement that media ruin israel reput that redicul media pro isra media world live europ realiz that incid such describ letter occur media ignor subsid israel exist and european not not degre that reason report atroc shame that austria daili report inhuman act commit isra soldier and bless receiv govern make holocaust guilt jew treat race power unfortun beyer cleveland freenet edu foo foo
talk.politics.mideast	rememb name come elect time articl apollo nelson apollo peter nelson write btw bosnia larg moslem popul nation turkei saudi arabia syria egypt and monei strong militari forc not spoken forcibl offer bosnia you don spoken sec state christoph recent trip provid million aid and particip airlift sarajevo suppli militari aid lift embargo arm sale turkish ambassador ocassion thing two that great enthus place hand dirti stuck thi stuff kuwait directli particip airlift food sarajevo case that can made for militari involv that doesn appli equal liberia angola appear khmer roug campaign cambodia white don count hmm kuwaiti white ooop forgot kuwaiti oil rich load petro dollar etc don count peter
talk.politics.mideast	rememb name come elect time articl apollo nelson apollo peter nelson write case that can made for militari involv that doesn appli equal liberia angola appear khmer roug campaign cambodia white don count hmm kuwaiti white ooop forgot kuwaiti oil rich load petro dollar etc don count and not forget somalia white get that two row care for
talk.politics.mideast	final solut for gaza articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write center for polici research cpr subject final solut for gaza isra jew fete upris warsaw ghetto fete sinc thi word formal and commonli refer posit joyou event your misus unsettl repress violent mean upris gaza ghetto and attempt starv gazan abhor isra polici and attitud that abus palestinian gazan that comparison realiti warsaw ghetto and gaza gazan popul resist occup recogn intern law and person sens justic intern law recogn occupi entiti maintain order face element that conscious attempt disrupt civil structur iron intern law recogn each focuss that occupi and occupi even inher conflict israel deni gazan two option compat basic human right and intern law that isra citizen full right respect for determin conclud that isra jewish societi not gazan full human be israel cannot and not continu present polici gazan resid altern creation and implement jewish dhimmi system gazan palestinian benignli protect citizen you find that accept that form you regard islam polici minor whether final solut sleev race israel anti palestinian gazan final solut and arab world anti israel jewish final solut you favor urg slight human compass can gazan regain full human civil and polit right entitl human be sinc justifi worri parti that israel and arab palestinian final solut intent exist isn import that isra and palestinian gazan right secur elia davidsson iceland tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin
talk.politics.mideast	legal jewish purchas articl apr bnr zbib bnr write amir rosenblatt write sam zbib write mind sell freedom and digniti palestinian except perhap you heard anti trust busi world sinc debat legal commerci transact us law govern guidelin and ethic such transact basic anti trust law that you can purchas ibm stock for purpos invest you can not acquir larg number share intent control ibm you can you make your intent clear apriori jew purchas properti palastenian had design not bui dwell real estat establish bridgehead for european jew palastenian sold properti jew tradit arab hospit multi ethnic multi religi societi accept jew neighbour anoth religion paid fair market etc not victim intern conspiraci not conspiraci theorist thi hard dismiss address thi point jewish nation fund bought land didn bui palestinian for part tenant farmer fallahin live land own wealthi arab syria and lebanon jnf offer premium deal owner advantag call commerc owner made provis for had work for basic shaft sell land blame not jew amir you categor sale land shaft sold jew fair assum that fallahin mistreat jew thi norm commerc read shaft arab and jew shaft part arab land owner for notifi tenant farmer and for not respons make provis for leav fate your claim that lebanes syrian landlord sold palestin true even partial omit fact that mandat treati put lebanon and syria french rule palestin british obivi such landlord found foreign palestin and motiv sell price point that land sold legal price actual legal and good busi for seller left palestinian work land poor situat interest that you acknowledg that palestinian shaft isra jew share your opinion you absolv purchas ethic commit wasn written don share thi opinion mine and agre and don fallahin caught circumst control that sinc didn land didn for sake greater arab uniti arab angri that land sold jew act that illeg jordan happen busi told not answer your respons question whether intent purchas aim control public asset land infra structur etc imho palestinian ground contest legal purchas world court sam opinion and purpos bui land provid space and job for jewish immigr case matter purpos sale legal don ground for contest amir
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talk.politics.mideast	ten question israel articl apr vm huji backon vm huji write articl igc apc org cpr igc apc org center for polici research write true that isra prison number individu secret and for ident date trial and imprison state secret apart mordechai vanunu had trial close door espionag case nutti professor ne ziona biolog institut mole camera wouldn exactli call state secret trial simpli close door hate disappoint you unit state number espionag case camera issu not trial close door arrest trial and imprison complet secreci thi appraent attempt case vanunu and fail happen and reason read thi ariv februari possibl public ban state israel never offici admit that for year prison isra citizen sentenc long prison term fact arrest crime accus made public baruch iri involv thi matter polit refus request anoth subject delic comment will implicitli admit that true mention specif case even hint guilti make public legal not publish state israel never offici admit that for year prison isra citizen sentenc long prison term fact arrest crime accus made public precis court order public ban fact arrest and imprison israel citizen imprison citizen thi countri know not know fact that person anoth and thrown prison for secur offens complet secreci distant past for exampl dai lavon affair heard man prison year pass sinc and exist can todai longer found even south american countri communist countri appear that thi israel chair knesset committe law constitut and justic david zucker letter thi subject earli thi week prime minist minist justic and cabinet legal advisor ariv obtain content letter past year number isra citizen imprison for period for secur offens case legal public ban impos not specif crime for prison convict even mere fact imprison case legal convict prison spend term prison public awar imprison prison assert zucker hand zucker agre letter that absolut question that and case imper that public ban impos specif secur offens and trial even such case court weigh carefulli and deliber circumst trial will not held public whether imposit public ban mere fact person arrest and name person sentenc prison justifi and state israel principl public trial and public not consist disappear person public sight and descent into abyss prison zucker decid turn prime minist minist justic and cabinet legal advisor and request that question state israel strong withstand cost incur abid principl public punish state israel cannot allow prison detent and secret wrote zucker legal counsel civil right union attornei mordechai shiffman that civil right union not case secur prison citizen israel imprison and imprison cannot made public thi situat exist unhealthi censorship unhealthi matter union awar shiffman case notif suspect arrest famili member and lawyer withheld speak dai case detaine not allow meet attornei sometim for month arrest that great secreci suspect famili lawyer even journalist can challeng public ban court case famili member not interest public journalist noth arrest and almost happi attornei yossi arnon offici bar claim that law exist israel todai situat arrest person for secur offens secret noth easier court order public ban and that that commit secur offens can spend long year prison know you find thi situat accept attornei arnon not live democrat countri and such state affair impermiss awar that public can damag standpoint secur total public silenc unaccept trial mordechai vanunu case that charg aggrav espionag and sentenc year prison trial held close door knew detail for author understand not accept reason note awar imprison matter that can trust discret court attornei arnon judg choic trust present made judg not tool investig thi govern enorm power power can misus and secur issu attornei arnon man legal system not secur expert democraci stand opposit secur public matter arrest and charg enter into detail law public ban can misus case rachel heller murder suspect murder held for month matter made public attornei shiffman hand believ that state secur can legitim reason for prohibit public suspect arrest convict crimin imprison healthi situat not awar fact that mere public harm state secur opinion express attornei uri shtendal advisor for arab affair prime minist levi eshkol and golda meir speak isol special case such situat contrast principl that judici proceed held public doubt thi contradict principl freedom express principl individu freedom harm prohibit public nevertheless add shtendal legisl allow for possibl such ban accommod special case damag consequ public greater that follow abridg principl mention author decid such matter public not rest prime minist secur servic court rest assur will author public ban convinc shadow doubt nevertheless attornei shtendal agre rule such phenomenon undesir such extrem step extrem circumst yigal aren usc isi made aren isi edu
talk.politics.mideast	unconvent peac propos articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write center for polici research cpr subject unconvent peac propos unconvent propos for peac middl east elia davidsson state assumpt will state propos fund establish disburs grant for each child born coupl partner isra jew and palestinian arab emerg consider number mix marriag israel palestin rel side divid make conflict lose ethnic and unsolubl core and strengthen emerg civil societi exist strong mix stock peopl integr isra societi into sound racial theori that hitler outlin mein kampf elia davidsson post box reykjavik iceland disclaim opinion express mine not employ
talk.politics.mideast	confess articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu ahmeda mcrcim mcgill edu ahm abu ab write ironi that jewish popul problem elect leader confess extra marrit affair thi american peopl didn problem clinton that not make differ long qualif becom leader btw polit view hope and arab hope that binyamin netanyahu will not ellect prime minist israel naftali naftali stramer intergraph electron internet nstramer dazixco ingr lookout road suit voic fax boulder qualiti job and job watch that can
talk.politics.mideast	public servic translat articl hydra gatech edu prism gatech edu kaan timucin wrote kaan hell thi gui david davidian talk your alter ego kaan david you shut not you come and kaan don your attitut you full li and shit unit state refer freedom speech you don write prove wrong shut simpli fade kaan didn you hear don mess turc you you you submit bodili harm you kill you tortur kaan hell wrong kaan timucin translat line turkish into english embarrass turkish shouldn written place don kill messeng david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
talk.politics.mideast	hama method murder get york time edit page transcript vh ham describ method tortur and execut will post
talk.politics.mideast	legal jewish purchas isra expans lust adam shostack write sam zbib write surpris that you don acquisit land jew arab for purpos establish exclus state hostil action lead war for purpos establish state not exclus state state exclus not arab citizen you ethnic composit israel form and not purchas land hostil action bui land and will sell mutual agreeabl price that commerc not hostil action lead war mind sell freedom and digniti palestinian except perhap you heard anti trust busi world sinc debat legal commerci transact us law govern guidelin and ethic such transact basic anti trust law that you can purchas ibm stock for purpos invest you can not acquir larg number share intent control ibm you can you make your intent clear apriori jew purchas properti palastenian had design not bui dwell real estat establish bridgehead for european jew palastenian sold properti jew tradit arab hospit multi ethnic multi religi societi accept jew neighbour anoth religion paid fair market etc not victim intern conspiraci not conspiraci theorist thi hard dismiss whether jew want live peac want and want exclus jewish state jew control and jew master land live peac meaningless mean live equal for nativ arab thi not leav option you mean jew and arab citizen arab stai citizen choos vote for jew adam devil detail don want tangent reason that return deport and leav rest nice number that you can devid and integ squar root palestinian stai stai despit happen and number somewhat toler defenseless and ineffect minor wrong you israel recal palestinian refuge talk million civilian huh peopl left voluntarili reason for israel you thi experi tell that palestinian knew kei home palestin refer exodu escap hell speak that agre you you sampl opinion you don care rethor israel gave citizenship remain arab had maintain democrat facad western aid flow israel western aid grant citizenship arab remain and grant citizenship facad don wrong beleiv that israel democrat constraint domin ethnic group jew israel had option ethnic cleans serbian style and deserv wrath intern commun make win condit show world good israel bad arab personali never heard arab commun isreal that commun histori and root dead sam make land arab explain contract man and land control isn ottoman rule year and left bare trace concept land ident somewhat foreign mobil and pragmat west partli concept sol natal nativ soil that jew had previou histori region recent memori talk everydai life not archeolog you isn you fail establish jew histori israel for thousand year lot jew slaughter crusad israel thrive commun gaza citi roughli jew major jerusalem onward that make land jewish stand correct meant that jewish cultur not predomin palestin recent histori problem jerusalem jewish charact predominantli jewish make rest palestin adam shostack adam da harvard edu sam zbib bell northern research bitnet internet zbib bnr voic fax surfac mail stop box station ottawa canada opinion and
talk.politics.mideast	armenian admiss crime turkish genocid sourc men that leonard ramsden hartil bobb merril compani indianapoli page memoir armenian offic particip genocid million muslim peopl paragraph tartar section town longer exist pile ruin had destroi and inhabit slaughter fate befel tartar section khankandi paragraph citi scene confus and terror earli dai war russian troop invad turkei larg number turkish popul abandon home and fled russian advanc paragraph tartar villag ruin serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	armenian slaughter kurdish peopl sourc hassan arfa kurd london russian armi invad turkei sarikamish disast column preced battalion irregular armenian volunt caucasu and turkei command andranik blood thirsti adventur armenian volunt commit kind excess six hundr thousand kurd kill and eastern vilayet turkei serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	ey goug fascist armenian armenian barbar atroc report horrifi azerbaijan azeri offici return thi town mile brought back dead children back head blown women and children had scalp assad faradzev aid karabagh azeri governor azeri televis show pictur truckload bodi brought azeri town agdam face appar scratch knive ey goug brian killen reuter washington time kill rife nagorno karabagh moldova journalist area report dozen corps includ civilian and azerbaijani offici armenian began shoot sought recov bodi fred hiatt washington post serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
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talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl apr ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem write articl bce new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write you suggest that guerilla us popul for cover israel total back easiest attack anoth us innoc shield and hope that respect innoc live tim guerilla wrong assum that civilian for cover assum come brad anywher thi discuss doesn bring element never address comment made comment wrong that civilian us cover and that isra and guerilla will injur parti continu fight purpos armi us militari uniform set member apart civilian that civilian will not thought side combat you mean intent and effect armi purpos not uniform civilian judg that benefit will receiv thi cover import that harm that will come civilian thi comment isra experi and that guerilla respons put civilian middl thi fight put uniform and live apart civilian barrack etc guerilla significantli lower risk civilian guerilla thi aren put greater risk absolut set ourselv apart wear uniform readi made cover for civilian that make sens point view thi cover us guerilla accept respons for subsequ harm civilian buffer zone prevent attack israel not work neccessari for isra gun pound lebanes villag not kill infiltr buffer zone you shell villag call retali get back get even doesn make sens shell villag show reckless disregard isra govern for live civilian agre you thought that israel bomb sorte and bomb polici stupid thoughtless inhuman and ineffect reason that israel passiv wait attack chose act reason that take fight enemi will stop attack previous israel spent decad sit passiv side border and act stop attack attack had enter isra territori didn work host arab state noth and stop attack side border israel number attack consider higher physic and psycholog impact civilian caught path bit attack israel neighbor arab state can start hope for thi happen will occur arab state show that prepar respons and duti stop guerilla attack israel soil prove provid guarate israel accept word not past attitud toler anti israel guerilla resid israel not will accept word imho busi wast time come peac talk thi anoth select appli statement reason for thi drawn impass abab palestinian and isra that side will accept word your criteria stai negoti that precis palestinian recent pisga propos for interim period negoti and lead full autonomi demand condit that essenti defin autonomi not trust that israel will follow entir process and palestinian reach full autonomi you understand and accept thi viewpoint palestinian you israel view arab palestinian trust arab palestinian word sinc don reluct give tangibl asset land control area exchang for word for thi reason concern sort guarante will that arab will follow part agreement reach don you that statement can made wai lebanon interest peac accept word israel that attack for war and disarm hizbollah will remov for continu occup absolut arab palestinian ask for isra word relat agreement demand land issu land and parti final get hold thi land parti total irrelev possess thi land your word absolut power whether israel choos word not land back afteral israel stage two part withdraw area occupi lebanon slg tim you ignor fact that palestinian lebanon disarm hezbollah remain independ militia hezbollah not attack israel time such idf burn sheikh mosavi wife and young son major armament allow peopl wage civil war remov weapon need cross border attack remain extent rocket attack continu and commando raid requir easili conceal weapon and refin disregard for human life that such attack continu israel withdraw lebanon and stop assassin peopl and shell villag wouldn make lebanes mad that bat guano situat you call for exist and attack commonplac hezbollah subsequ disarm not group can effect disarm state authoritarian syria for lebanon constantli patrol entir border israel essenti mirror israel border secir side prove isreal that thi commit protect israel attack lebanes territori onc syria leav that lebanon will retain control syria stai thai even danger for israel tim last time that you recal troubl syrian border not that doesn that mean that syria lebanon don israel lebanon that side receiv tangibl arab palestinian for land and demand that receiv prior give israel israel two problem real land expos chang geostrateg situat and that chang doesn israel posit and thi land receiv return compens for increas risk tim
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl apr yuma acn colost edu lanc colost edu write articl bce new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write articl apr yuma acn colost edu lanc colost edu write your view thi entir matter seren side and select naiv oooh that hurt will not suffer you naiv and side view mine skip articl futur wise tim and good dai basil point throw side viewpoint mean ignor that side perspect and experi legitimaci assum that your side possess fault and bear responbl for neg impact event isn onesid isn naiv you feel that opinion wrong strateg withdraw cover snide remark favor tactic thi net doesn accomplish
talk.politics.mideast	hama death hama death transcript recruit and train videotap made last summer qassam battalion militari arm hama islam palestinian group hama figur significantli middl east equat decemb israel deport palestinian lebanon respons hama kidnap and execut isra soldier longer version appear issu harper magazin obtain and translat tape name yasir hammad hassan ali live nuseirat refuge camp gaza strip born finish high school attend gaza polytechn work for islam univers gaza clerk marri and two daughter qassam battalion group palestin explicitli dedic jihad holi war primari concern palestinian collabor enemi young men and women fallen prei cun trap laid isra secur servic sinc enemi obliter nation cooper terribl crime import object put end plagu collabor abduct collabor intimid and interrog order uncov collabor and expos method that enemi lure palestinian into collabor place addit that natur confront problem collabor execut don execut collabor percent innoc victim trick black mail into misde decis whether execut collabor base serious crime collabor recruit agent isra border guard imper that execut onc danger isra soldier treat isra soldier anoth group collabor perform even loathsom role enemi trap young men and women blackmail scheme that forc becom collabor regard isqat process palestinian blackmail into collabor singl person greater crime kill demonstr guilti caus repeat case isqat religi duti execut group collabor respons for distribut narcot work direct order secur servic distribut drug wide victim becom addict and find unbear quit and imposs afford collabor order drug crave dealer execut battalion develop care method uncov collabor can afford abduct innoc person onc seiz person reput tarnish forev will abduct and interrog collabor evid guilt establish never interrog collabor found guilti doubt execut case don make evid collabor public that guilti public isn awar that individu collabor and accus peopl bound for evid peopl will proclaim innoc irrefut proof execut thi proof obtain form confess collabor deni crime start show collabor testimoni that chanc serv peopl even last moment life confess and give inform that repent sincer and that victim that kind talk convinc confess that hold case appli pressur psycholog and physic holdout confess collabor execut interrog that case collabor had work for border guard sinc intifada and confess involv friend disclos inform addit member network collabor told that had caus isqat thi evid interrog care avoid wrong execut case princip accus interrog confess crime week ago sat and compli list collabor decid whether execut interrog had hundr name fear god and hell not mark men for mention for execut execut collabor public us gun abduct and interrog collabor can shoot give locat that collabor strangl sometim collabor you execut you collabor told strangl hate sight blood naftali stramer intergraph electron internet nstramer dazixco ingr lookout road suit voic fax boulder qualiti job and job watch that can
talk.politics.mideast	isra press mad center for polici research cpr subject isra press mad written apr cpr igc apc org igc mideast forum isra press mad isra press paper zman tel aviv tel aviv time fridai local tel aviv paper affili maariv date februari journalist gui ehrlich subject interview soldier serv duvdevan cherri unit disguis arab and oper occupi territori excerpt articl lot written unit disguis arab thing good and bad falsehood import problem unit dealt that serv cherri time anoth insan man thi will call danni full name editor serv cherri discharg armi work deliveri boi pal will call dudu serv cherri and depart for round world tour averag isra youngster freshli discharg conscript servic soul can notic complet not easi for come disclosur happen and that fellow cherri woundn easi began talk imposs make stop talk articl will horror stori recount appal open short time ago command veteran team fellow appli for releas cherri call such soldier hit intifada command soldier talk stop common phenomenon cherri psychiatrist talk feel quit insan fridai come home parent cannot talk beach surf calm and return kei father car readi for advanc that can dare talk whenev don want talk grab chair and smash instantli nerv smash chair time and run home car and beach becom normal anoth fridai eat lunch prepar mother omelett sort risk sit and talk told mother event fresh mind told shot arab and exactli wound look inspect began laugh hyster want cry and dare laugh straight face told pal had made mincemeat two arab prepar molotov cocktail shot hit beautifulli exactli deserv bullet had set molotov cocktail fire effect that arab burn beautifulli delight pal fire bullet two arab molotov cocktail and chum hit straight ass felt that pull told mother anoth pal mine split open gut belli anoth arab and ran that spot reach spot and that arab blood gush bodi spit yell shut and dare talk back hebrew laugh straight face laugh stare convuls ey told wait moment left order anoth wound arab ask soldier that arab save bleed arteri stop stone that tell thi mother detail and laugh straight into face thi infuri angri felt mad stop eat seiz plate omelett and trim and onc threw head stop laugh didn you mad fall frequent friend practic shoot field gull appear middl field friend shot onc notic deer stand high hill friend onc aim and shot enjoi sight fall rock shot two deer and climb rock young deer badli wound bullet such milk dead mother carefulli inspect two path cover blood and chunk torn flesh two deer had hit delight that sight had hit good decid kill young deer spare suffer approach revolv and shot head time short distanc you shoot straight head you bullet sink bullet made brain fall ground effect splatter lot blood straight thi made feel cure spurt mad stand soak blood felt beast prei couldn explain had happen almost tear walk that hill and felt dai badli back place carri assign thi can you gui you disabl for rest life you feel you power you feel godlik sort danni and dudu contempl thi moment studi act dudu not will work secur link occup danni feel exact opposit shouldn advantag skill master shouldn earn for each chop head deliv mercenari south africa thi kind job suit perfectli human emot reason salari will problem board plane bosnia order fight transl israel shahak
talk.politics.mideast	isra press nazi method center for polici research cpr subject isra press nazi method written apr cpr igc apc org igc mideast forum isra press nazi method isra press newspap aretz date februari author gideon levi subject nazi method gaza titl neighborhood hope rubbl excerpt mahmoud jowara stare long and sadli work entir life order built that hous and thi left transmit full sad face you that teach children hate you you expect happen child see thi and onc wrap lengthi silenc face crumbl into weep mahmoud stood field rubbl that onc home term dispossess absolut mean noth left accumul entir life rubbl hous and shred belong onc khan yuni onc demolish home last thursdai search for want peopl onc idf forc emploi method fire and bomb and shot missil and explos time past week destruct and each time horrifi scene thi time hit largest number hous idf estim ten complet demolish not that method becom brutal week ago tufah neighborhood gaza resid told remov valuabl home thi time armi skip that part week ago handcuf men inhabit demolish home suppli water and appl hour had stand thi time water week ago even allow toilet thi time soldier gold piss and shit your pant and last thursdai men stood for hour hand bound back ey blindfold food wet pant leg and terribl feel humili heart listen sound explos destroi home juma fuad rubi brother saudi arabia emerg ruin ten dai ago arriv for famili visit order celebr housewarm father and brother thursdai handcuf for hour and view destrucion explain that visitor and that physician shove rest urin pant stand hand bound and ey blindfold for entir dai juma rubi studi medicin cairo univers and for ten year treat wealthi saudi medina wife and children remain document lost and not will return human state physician saudi arabia
talk.politics.mideast	isra press tortur center for polici research cpr subject isra press tortur written apr cpr igc apc org igc mideast forum isra press tortur isra press newspap ariv date decemb author avi raz subject tortur titl articl moder physic pressur time long hour interrog room tulkarm prison humili beaten and tortur omar daoud jaber heard interrog shabak agent captain loui chat phone wife moment omar felt that humanb finish talk beat and you listen convers and enjoi and understood that not human late octob dai detent tulkarm prison omar jaber releas charg jew arab good peopl and bad peopl releas tulkarm interrog room you cannot find even person you can that human left detent instal tulkarm bruis and humili sat home for ten dai hand shook nerv omar jaber lucki not healthi entir and even ultim return normal function small solar heater plant own contrast hassan bader zbeidi for exampl releas week ago detent tulkarm dai shabak wing cut surround doesn speak react mustafa barakat ag arrest earli august and brought tulkarm detent instal left dai dead recent receiv larg number testimoni cruel tortur emploi tulkarm detent instal shabak interrog note niv gordon director associ israel and palestinian physician for human right complain shabak not excit anan saber makhlouf year student fact extrem fear describ manner interrog tulkarm prison case public paper return detent and lead renew mistreat follow descript tortur omar tall beard man silent not want talk final quietli time embarras and asham spoke sometim beat you and beat you you kiss hand and not hand even hand anoth interrog and anoth call into room and last interrog you kiss hand and want you will kiss ass thing place isra armi detent instal locat militari govern compound tulkarm west bank shabak interrog wing separ kingdom earli march idf allow repres tselem isra inform center for human right territori visit tulkarm prison deni access interrog wing interrog wing shabak properti sole shabak respons interrog perform lieutnant sharon sho command instal intern report written tselem member yuval ginbar visit major david govern command prison system central command quot report ethic problem can enter interrog wing transl shahak
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talk.politics.mideast	isra press short note center for polici research cpr subject isra press short note written apr cpr igc apc org igc mideast forum isra press short note isra press hadashot march isra polic depart announc even fridai march that call jewish isra citizen gun permit carri time contribut secur and that surround aretz march yehoshua matza likud chair knesset interior committe state that intend demand that polic depart make clear public that wound kill jewish terrorist will not put trial aretz march todai privat secur firm and unit idf southern command will begin instal magnet gate gaza strip addit stage upgrad secur measur strip gate will aid search jewish gaza resid leav for work israel can us reveal presenc knive ax weapon and sharp object addit gate will oper privat civilian compani larg quantiti magnet card read devic brought inspect point facilit read magnet card jewish worker carri
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talk.politics.mideast	isra expans lust articl apr bnr zbib bnr write jake livni write sam zbib write delet sam zbib post confus and nonsens not warrant reason respons get us thi jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
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talk.politics.mideast	final solut for gaza center for polici research write subject final solut for gaza final solut for gaza ghetto isra jew fete upris warsaw ghetto repress violent mean upris gaza ghetto and attempt starv gazan your comparison warsaw ghetto upris insult and racist belief attempt quiet violenc gaza strip that effort quell murder and mayhem gaza strip reslut violenc and violenc not arbitrari racial move nazi treatment jew jew had not commit act violenc and murder resid gaza find your eager ignor act murder noth anti israel bigotri gaza strip thi tini area land highest popul densiti world cut world for week isra occupi decid punish popul gaza peopl deni leav strip and seek work israel not punish protect repeat attack resid gaza you servingli omit refer israel had action appara death innoc isra civilian not enter into your equat racist ommiss your part polish jew risk live save jew ghetto isra jew risk life gazan resist gazan isra jew dozen peopl humanitarian assist gazan popul resist occup recogn intern law and person sens justic popul deni basic human right entitl rise tormentor israel protect citizen murder recogn intern law isra civilian get stab death daili basi thi wave murder not matter you your postur for basic human right you claim matter you noth anti israel charad isra regim gazan unworthi isra citizenship and equal right israel consid worthi dirti work isra hotel shop and field you resid gaza appli for isra citizenship and deni heard such denial take place can you document thi thi your stupid and innacur propaganda truth that gazan resid appli for citizenship hama murder collabor gazan born town and villag locat israel not live for area reserv for master race dare you us such disgust phrase easi you attack peopl you omit fact fly face your pure racism perhap you judg peopl racist that you you that jew bigot makeup you anoth fly your ointment master race for you avoid two month ago plane bosnian muslim left bosnia seek asylum middl east arab nation refus grant asylum israli arab agre respons for allow into israel israel plane land isra arab had previous agre care refus involv rescu project felt that make israel good import avoid good for israel care fellow muslim israel move kibbutz safe and secur truth that time time islam world turn back muslim israel even case deporte lebanon will call arab brother freez death give sanctuari lebanon twice palestinian murder palestinian confront israel hundr thousand palestinian had deport kuwait palestinian truth that your phonei concern for welfar palestinian noth excus attack israel you part ignor effort confin concern for welfar palestinian attack israel truth greater reason israel for plight palestinian disregard jordan kuwait saudi arabia oil rich nation noth for peopl us plight poor peopl vehicl for your hatr jew your hatr israel anti semit and anti zionism not pro palestinian and insist that not give two hoot for welfar nazi regim accord resid warsaw ghetto administr select jew pacifi occupi popul and prevent form resist jewish collabor kill israel wish rule gaza arab collabor your pathet analog absent relev fact that your racism cannot disguis jew had never declar war polish peopl jew had never attack pole knive had us ghetto stage ground for attack warsaw ghetto creation you not even bother discuss and upris that degrad dead and show that intellig debat difficult situat your intellectu purview you never even read singl word coven islam resist movement arguabl singl anti semit genocid document sinc mein kampf total disregard your rant your racism evid your eager avoid such document consid you deal mideast problem balanc manner anti semit manner israel deni gazan two option compat basic human right and intern law that isra citizen full right respect for determin conclud that isra jewish societi not gazan full human be and gaza obtain you forget that israel not habit grab land for hell had gaza war that not start you land israel captur war war nation start aren israel and subject complet set intern law sinc you continu refer intern law you specif intern law israel violat thi attitud consist attitud nazi jew can cite reason not current polici isra govern cut gaza consist publicli express prime mininist yitzhak rabin that gaza sink into sea thi quot never heard rabin assert that wish such thing sinc you gener liar you provid entir quot sourc thi effort will regard anoth your fabric led oneself whether isra leader entertain sinist goal gazan whether final solut sleev you led such load racist intellectu dishonest question you inabl come term you turn you into racist highest order urg slight human compass can gazan regain full human civil and polit right entitl human be you not feel compass for jew iran iraq yemen saudi arabia syria you inkl endur past decad plight palestinian kuwait treatment bosnian muslim you resid gaza subject muslim bosnia endur you indiffer death and suffer peopl you not care that folk extermin you not care that israel peopl safe haven due fact that not israel kill peopl gaza not extermin aren kill aren rape aren starv aren driven land not receiv food suppli bosnian and countri provid sanctuari bosnian muslim nation that you devot your life attack guis compass your rant unfett burden intellectu honesti that you deep breath and your real motiv not flatter into belief that truth compass drive you your case clear that hate beat love time you burden kind guilt for born jew obviou that your hatr your judaism dump jew you suggest racist idea breed jew exist fit anti semit result cut your peopl for extend period case clear that you not you labor hard you realiz that you can care for peopl you hate you begin good for you fruad
talk.politics.mideast	hamza salah humanist cleveland freenet edu hamaza salah write beyer great humanist speak read salah poster decrib jew son pig and monkei promis final battl muslim and jew ston and tree will cry for muslim come and kill jew hide make joke jew dy heart attack etc realiz object stanc matter involv danni keren
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talk.politics.mideast	isra terror previou articl yfn ysu edu ishaq azzam previou articl cleveland freenet edu mark ira kaufman you reader jew live arab countri you jew live countri you circumst arab jew leav homeland curiou thought jew live arab countri didn hei move palestin happi jew not move you arab countri prohipit jew migrat palestin last arab countri syria not migrat due jewish state econom and securit dilemma cleveland freenet edu foo foo
talk.politics.mideast	deir yassin articl martinb brise er umontr aurag er umontr aurag hassan write you that massacr deir yassin sabra and shatila you good joke not and not such thing jewish kill wwii palestinian davidian for fourti year and fact kill war time place peopl die that get kill vietamies didn die vietnam war kill american napalm pyromaniac and that jew like ga chamber and forc thought snife cocain you thi isn stupid stupid you time you want lie intellig sincer hassan arab civilian die dir yassin massacr villag hous arm troop secondli irgun and stern fighter had absolut intent kill civilian villag attack for militari signific fact warn occup villag leav attack begin ration standard dir yassin not massacr kill unintent villag hous arab sniper and arab troop attack for militari signific not attack intent kill civilian even compar dir yassin arab di holocaust absurd irgun not want kill civilian villag had almost inhabit surviv harri
talk.politics.mideast	dir yassin myth and fact leonard davi east research inc unlik plo almost exclus focu civilian target troup irgun and stern group that struck deir yassin april target villag for militari import deir yassin road jerusalem arab had blockad and hous iraqi troup and palestinian irregular sniper base deir yassin constant threat jewish citizen jerusalem arab civilian kill deir yassin that attack not conform propaganda pictur that arab paint number arab kill gener report eric silver guardian britain interview survivor mopham sammour testifi that popul kill dai massacr sammour explain repres each clan deir yassin met moslem offic jerusalem and made list peopl had not found aliv name noth happend sinc make thi figur wrong unlik plo deliber attack civilian kill civilian deir yassin not premedit attack left open escap corridor villag and resid left unharm remain arab feign surrend and fire jewish troop attack kill arab soldier and civilian indiscrimin independ observ told guardian that bodi found arab men disguis women
talk.politics.mideast	final solut for gaza articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write final solut for gaza ghetto isra jew fete upris warsaw ghetto repress violent mean upris gaza ghetto and attempt starv gazan elia famili children stab high school palestinian freedom fighter offer gazan perhap famili isra murder last month palestinian freedom fighter jew warsaw ghetto fight and famili nazi ga chamber group hama and islam jihad fight express purpos drive jew into sea perhap persuad jewish peopl wnder freedom fighter attain thi ultim goal freedom fighter will choos spare oper jew that you count elia piti murder you your mother jewish asham son mr davidsson harri
talk.politics.mideast	zionism flyer distribut aipac annual polici confer not israel told back and come back israel told back and vocal influenc and quiet can afford control and bui can afford jew rich and don bui cheap and poor call dirti jew and ignor and not call call rich jew and jap and visibl organ secret jewish conspiraci and not secret jewish conspiraci and told not peopl and told that not and marri peopl call racist and don contamin race and fire left and and white hate for not white and white hate for white and anti semit incid rise year told that anti semit doesn exist that paranoid and told shut holocaust and holocaust revision risng year and obnoxi call jap and nice told don act jewish and anti semit world wide and peopl not free and not complet work free desist for reason and part jewish nation liber movement zionism
talk.politics.mideast	method emploi armenian genocid muslim peopl sourc men that leonard ramsden hartil bobb merril compani indianapoli page memoir armenian offic particip genocid million muslim peopl paragraph thi movement thousand turkish soldier had captur russian and left hand russian abandon struggl retreat karakli two thousand poor devil cruelli put death sicken brutal displai not make effect protest mercifulli shot burn death method emploi put quantiti straw into hut and crowd hut turk set fire straw serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
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talk.politics.mideast	encor perform stage armenian wwi jew assembl for doom nazi concentr camp nazi armenian germani form armenian battalion fight alongsid nazi thi battalion had grown into battalion strong command dro butcher architect cold blood genocid million turk and kurd armenian nation council form notori dashnak parti leader berlin recogn nazi encourag thi armenian summarili form provision govern that endors and espous fulli principl nazi and declar member aryan super race and full particip hitler polici extermin jew thi armenian nazi conspiraci jew wwii encor perform stage armenian wwi back stab and extermin million turk collud invad russian armi sourc adventur east rawlinson jonathan cape bedford squar london publish page memoir british offic wit armenian genocid million muslim peopl second paragraph had receiv definit inform horror that had commit armenian soldieri kar plain and had judg want disciplin treatment detach parti had wire tifli zivin that interest human armenian not left independ command moslem popul troop disciplin and not effect control atroc constantli commit for justic eventu held moral respons serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	turk speak for articl apr yale edu karag scu ctstateu edu angelo karageorgi write turk greec badli mistreat come elect two not two repres greek govern pardon greec govern rail road two turkish ethnic deputi world human right organ scream greek persist work remov parliamentari immun sadik ahmet and ahmet faikoglu sadik ahmet turkish ethnic member greek parliament visit washington juli doctor sadik ahmet two ethnic turkish member greek parliament visit june juli and held meet human right organ and high level offici washington and york press confer nation press club washington sadik ahmet explain plight ethnic turk greec and state six demand greek govern ahmet hope greec pressur gener western capit for insist that greec respect human right ethnic turk greec exactli south african apartheid ad face pure greek hatr and racial discrimin spell demand turkish ethnic commun greec want restor greek citizenship ethnic turk citizenship revok excus that thi peopl stai greec for long greek citizen and resid greec even activ serv greek armi turkish citizen greec not subject thi kind interpret extent that greek american greek citizenship and perman live unit state want guarante for turkish minor equal right want greek govern accept turkish minor and grant civil right peopl wait sinc year drive licens greek govern not grant build permit turk for renov build build your name turkish you not hire govern offic want greek govern give equal opportun busi not grant licens can particip econom life greec case deni medic licens for practic surgeri greek hospit despit fact that finish greek medic school and step career want freedom express for ethnic turk not allow call ourselv turk subject number law suit and even imprison call turk want greek govern provid freedom religion separ interview turkish time sadik ahmet state that condit ethnic turk deplor and ey greek law ethnic greek equal ethnic turk exampl telephon subscrib selanik thessaloniki and turk that not turk not want telephon servic home and busi that greek govern chang elect law parliament independ repres and state thi fact openli minimum qualif requir for parti term receiv vote impos thi requir for independ parti includ turkish candid ahmet born small villag gumulcin komotini greec earn medic degre univers thessaloniki serv greek militari infantryman involv commun affair for time collect signatur protest unjust implement law ethnic turk arrest polic for collect signatur serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	role sdpa org slaughter gunduz ariyak arikan benler articl apr urartu sdpa org hla urartu sdpa org write tell turkish polit spectrum expos your crime that your person role murder orhan gunduz and kemal arikan muslim will slaughter sdpa org publicli declar and file legal author spell for that peopl die sdpa urartu state thi and stand sdpa urartu januari lo angel kemal arikan slaughter two armenian drive work march cambridg massachusett prelud grisli murder gift and import shop belong orhan gunduz blown gunduz receiv ultimatum honorari posit will execut refus respons claim jcag and sdpa cambridg massachusett orhan gunduz turkish honorari consul boston not bow armenian terrorist ultimatum that give titl honorari consul attack and murder cold blood presid reagan order manhunt avail ey wit gave descript murder shot surviv fall silent revolt triumph senseless mindless histori armenian terror such murder bring absolut noth ego boost for murder armenian terrorist underworld wallow satisfact you involv murder sarik ariyak decemb sydnei two nazi armenian massacr sarik ariyak and bodyguard engin sever jcag and sdpa claim respons public knowledg that founder marxist leninist terrorist organ asala integr part asala sdpa arf hagop hagopian began notori career member terrorist group perpetr massacr isra athlet munich olymp and armenian foundat stole children turkiy fund crimin activ asala sdpa arf terrorist cold blood murder defenceless turkish and kurdish peopl armenian foundat provid billion asala milliyet armenian foundat base istanbul found provid billion turkish lira million armenian terrorist organ asala murder turkish diplomat abroad expert intern terror assert that armenian terrorist us proce drug traffick and armenian foundat fund deadli enterpris deadliest terrorist assassin carlo proclaim spanish televis that organ had enter into work relationship armenian terrorist and drug traffick rais monei continu slaughter innoc peopl your person and organiz role thi scheme recent report confirm administr that armenian terrorist organ collabor respons for bomb unit state marin barrack beirut you won your crime forev justic long overdu for armenian genocid million muslim peopl and sourc document volum document archiv cabin drawer file section content offic act suprem command act assist section director major ali sukru suffici mention terribl and shame crime commit erzurum idea armenian atroc villag mention disgust and abomin sight stain human that encount west hasankal regiment proceed into thi town young turkish women appar onc beauti ly dead side road huge stick had insert into vagina corps and left spot that invis road serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl apr ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem write articl bce new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write articl apr yuma acn colost edu lanc colost edu write tim you ignor fact that palestinian lebanon disarm hezbollah remain independ militia hezbollah not attack israel time such idf burn sheikh mosavi wife and young son israel withdraw lebanon and stop assassin peopl and shell villag wouldn make lebanes mad that hezbollah subsequ disarm not address thi point two katyusha rocket attack made lebanon for fatah claim respons didn realiz that can us katyusha onr disarm page todai york time faisal saleh high rank fatah offici and month son gun beirut member abu nidal assasin attempt alon fu two faction result death amir
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talk.politics.mideast	hamza salah humanist dzk brown edu danni keren write great humanist speak read salah poster decrib jew son pig and monkei promis final battl muslim and jew ston and tree will cry for muslim come and kill jew hide make joke jew dy heart attack etc realiz object stanc matter involv danni keren don worri danni blatantli violent and abus post made hamzah immedi forward oper system account imagin quit file start thi fruitcak and that rule govern racist and threaten us resourc imagin hair short todd
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror isra press tad bit bias report event doubt propaganda machin goer report accur happen germani interest that you base truth isra propaganda
talk.politics.mideast	binyamin netanyahu cnn tonight articl apr ncrcae columbiasc ncr nabil ncrcol columbiasc ncr nabil idriss write arab leader don cheat allow wive you impli that arab leader gai aren jewish gai arab leader islam rule applic case thi rememb articl year ago state that wife saddam mistress assad brother wife and mistress and emir gulf lifetim wive doubl digita manag time thi irrelev take lot infidel make leader ruthless and corrupt netanyahu thought cleans make such public confess averag secular isra care mossad applaud
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror virginia edu andi beyer write isra press tad bit bias report event doubt propaganda machin goer report accur happen germani interest that you base truth isra propaganda you isra report event israel propoganda washington post handl american event propoganda make isra press inher bias your opinion wouldn compar nazi propoganda you want provid evid isra inaccuraci parallel nazism suggest you your mouth shut sick and tire you anti semit compar israel nazi and opinion you compar israel nazi you anti semit you damn isn true and you discredit israel
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror articl apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer write isra press tad bit bias report event doubt propaganda machin goer report accur happen germani interest that you base truth isra propaganda sinc truth arab palestinian new outlet understand learn form propoganda reliabl anoth determin that and writer polit agenda whether side tim tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin
talk.politics.mideast	armenian extermin million muslim peopl articl new cso uiuc edu hovig uxa cso uiuc edu hovig heghinian write articl partisan interest convers terpetrosyan and demirel sound simpl soviet armenian govern pai for crime genocid million muslim admit crime and make repar turk and kurd your crimin grandpar extermin million muslim peopl and yybt new cso uiuc edu hovig uxa cso uiuc edu hovig heghinian hear hear motion second you armenian clown you count asala sdpa arf crook and crimin prove for you you such mess that crimin idiot and forg exist junk trash mutlu cosar akgun uludamar akman oflaz and hundr peopl asala sdpa arf crimin respons for massacr turkish peopl that prevent enter turkiy and trnc sdpa renounc charter specif call for second genocid turkish peopl thi racist barbarian and crimin view tout fascist soviet armenian govern step road genocid begin ahmet eecg toronto edu parlakbilek ahmet subject yalanc liar davidian keyword davidian biggest liar messag jan jarvi csri toronto edu articl that davidian claim that hasan mutlu liar dbd urartu sdpa org david davidian messag urartu sdpa org articl jan jarvi csri toronto edu ahmet eecg toronto edu ahmet parlakbilek ask simpl question ask you show exampl mutlu cora turk proven lie can show ten li and fabric davidian chang quot even chang name book anna obviou ridicul armenian murder million moslem outragi and unsubstanti charg you thi net read sampl not proven li dai start yalanc txt part delet articl aug cbnewsd att usenet scribe for turkish histor societi hbm cbnewsd att hasan mutlu continu revis histori armenian peopl wit oper definit revisionist yalanc liar turkish yalanc leo yalanc yalanc situat clear side peac love turk yalanc and side peac love armenian side mind yalanc affair submerg blood and fire yalanc war wage committe yalanc dashnaktsutiun and societi ittihad and terakki cruel and yalanc savag war defens parti polit interest dashnak yalanc incit revolt reli russian bayonet for success 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bayonet for success leo ideolog armenian revolut turkei vol quato refer davidian li and thi time chang origin post mutlu accus liar davidian you for write page number correctli you biggest liar thi exampl show that tomorrow you can lie and you make liar thi time decid not read your articl and not write answer you advis netter can not prevent your li save time not deal your li and for line vai sarsak vai yobaz vai yalanc vai turk milletinin yuz karasi mutlu vai return insult you wrote mutlu you hope you will drown your li ahmet parlakbilek cunixb columbia edu vedat dogan messag apr new columbia edu articl apr urartu sdpa org dbd urartu sdpa org david davidian write articl apr new columbia edu cunixb columbia edu vedat dogan wrote respons articl mar urartu sdpa org dbd urartu sdpa org david davidian write sourc adventur east rawlinson jonathan cape bedford squar london publish page such pile garbag refer publish not and page not second check page ask davidian publish book desk and book 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paragraph line line lie lie revis revis written thi net plan prove that armenian genocid million turk and kurd noth classic redress genocid soviet union similar ultra nationalist fascist dictatorship that emploi dictat hitler quell domest unrest feel free distribut respons your nearest asala sdpa arf terrorist armenian pseudo scholar affili armenian crimin organ armenian govern genocid million turkish men women and children and enjoi fruit that genocid you and you will not genocid cover not chanc serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	armenian extermin million muslim peopl articl new cso uiuc edu hovig uxa cso uiuc edu hovig heghinian write articl partisan interest convers terpetrosyan and demirel sound simpl soviet armenian govern pai for crime genocid million muslim admit crime and make repar turk and kurd your crimin grandpar extermin million muslim peopl and yybt new cso uiuc edu hovig uxa cso uiuc edu hovig heghinian hear hear motion second you arromdian you count asala sdpa arf crook and crimin prove for you you such mess that crimin idiot and forg exist junk trash mutlu cosar akgun uludamar akman oflaz and hundr peopl asala sdpa arf crimin respons for massacr turkish peopl that prevent enter turkiy and trnc sdpa renounc charter specif call for second genocid turkish peopl thi racist barbarian and crimin view tout fascist soviet armenian govern step road genocid begin ahmet eecg toronto edu parlakbilek ahmet subject yalanc liar davidian keyword davidian biggest liar messag jan jarvi csri toronto edu articl that davidian claim that hasan mutlu liar dbd urartu sdpa org david davidian messag urartu sdpa org articl jan jarvi csri toronto edu ahmet eecg toronto edu ahmet parlakbilek ask simpl question ask you show exampl mutlu cora turk proven lie can show ten li and fabric davidian chang quot even chang name book anna obviou ridicul armenian murder million moslem outragi and unsubstanti charg you thi net read sampl not proven li dai start yalanc txt part delet articl aug cbnewsd att usenet scribe for turkish histor societi hbm cbnewsd att hasan mutlu continu revis histori armenian peopl wit oper definit revisionist yalanc liar turkish yalanc leo yalanc yalanc situat clear side peac love turk yalanc and side peac love armenian side mind yalanc affair submerg blood and fire yalanc war wage committe yalanc dashnaktsutiun and societi ittihad and terakki cruel and yalanc savag war defens parti polit interest dashnak yalanc incit revolt reli russian bayonet for success yalanc yalanc kuper genocid polit us twentieth centuri yalanc york thi text not bookstor librari page find discuss relat atroc titl chapter topic thi page concern submiss sub commiss prevent discrimin minor commiss human right unit nation respect massacr cambodia mention turk armenian claim vai sarsak vai yobaz vai yalanc vai turk milletinin yuz karasi mutlu vai depth foolish turkish histor societi engag cover turkish genocid armenian surpass ridicul histor materi publicli displai david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org life peopl sea and receiv thi messag check refer kuper genocid and found total consist davidian book voic armenian revolutionist and read book not find origin quota thing check origin post mutlu found origin articl mutlu follow leo situat clear side peac love turk and side peac love armenian side mind affair submerg blood and fire war wage committe dashnaktsutiun and societi ittihad and terakki cruel and savag war defens parti polit interest dashnak incit revolt reli russian bayonet for success leo ideolog armenian revolut turkei vol quato refer davidian li and thi time chang origin post mutlu accus liar davidian you for write page number correctli you biggest liar thi exampl show that tomorrow you can lie and you make liar thi time decid not read your articl and not write answer you advis netter can not prevent your li save time not deal your li and for line vai sarsak vai yobaz vai yalanc vai turk milletinin yuz karasi mutlu vai return insult you wrote mutlu you hope you will drown your li ahmet parlakbilek cunixb columbia edu vedat dogan messag apr new columbia edu articl apr urartu sdpa org dbd urartu sdpa org david davidian write articl apr new columbia edu cunixb columbia edu vedat dogan wrote respons articl mar urartu sdpa org dbd urartu sdpa org david davidian write sourc adventur east rawlinson jonathan cape bedford squar london publish page such pile garbag refer publish not and page not second check page ask davidian publish book desk and book 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paragraph line line lie lie revis revis written thi net plan prove that armenian genocid million turk and kurd noth classic redress genocid soviet union similar ultra nationalist fascist dictatorship that emploi dictat hitler quell domest unrest feel free distribut respons your nearest asala sdpa arf terrorist armenian pseudo scholar affili armenian crimin organ armenian govern genocid million turkish men women and children and enjoi fruit that genocid you and you will not genocid cover not chanc serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	armenian will not genocid azeri peopl articl yxle cbfsb att eni cbnewsg att eni surensoi write articl zuma sera zuma serdar argic armenian will not genocid azeri peopl contrari armenian will genocid azeri peopl armenian rape tortur and massac million innoc moslem peopl eastern anatolia not thi time eni gener risen equip deep sens commit polit matur and consciou determinedli pursu turkish mean rang polit and diplomat arm struggl word demand fascist govern soviet armenia redress wrong that peopl crime systemat cleans mass kill and extermin muslim popul soviet republ armenia karabag bosnia and herzegovina islam holocaust compar extermin million muslim armenian govern wwi and million european jew wwii tovfik kasimov azeri leader septemb todai ethnic cleans polici serbian dictatorship croatian and muslim yugoslavia soviet republ armenia muslim popul neighbor azerbaijan aspir genocid perpetr armenian govern year ago turkish and kurdish muslim and sephard jew live land cebbar leygara kurdish leader octob serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	book deal genocid muslim armenian articl blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write repeat word race relat substitut for racist that phrase complain that us wrong word quibbl your armenian grandpar fascist earli papazian assert patriot pervert that armenian lean fascism and hitler that time not foreseen that armenian activ assum pro german stanc and even collabor world war book deal armenian genocid turkish popul eastern anatolia extrem rightw ideolog tendenc observ dashnagtzoutun long outbreak second world war for exampl zarmooni tzeghagron quot hairenik weekli race forc treasur follow histori that race due innat forc creat nation and secur revert race nation todai germani and itali strong nation live and breath term race hand russia compar weak bereft social sanctiti papazian patriot pervert boston baikar press prefac hairenik weekli fridai april race refug zarmooni serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	armenian extermin million muslim peopl deni obviou articl apr oucsac ohiou edu gassan ouvaxa cat ohiou edu write read thi group for time appal lack scholarship fuzzi think relianc obsess and obnoxi poster armenian and jewish scholar not deni obviou sourc hovannisian richard armenia road independ univers california press berkelei and lo angel addit kar and batum oblast empir increas area transcaucasia squar mile estim popul entir region percent armenian percent georgian and percent moslem group tatar paradox bare transcaucasia armenian live erevan guberniia christian constitut major uezd erevan uezd administr center provinc had armenian compar moslem time russian censu armenian had establish scant major percent guberniia had risen percent inhabit thi impress chang provinc ethnic charact notwithstand ev creation armenian republ solid block tartar continu domin southern district outskirt ereven border persia map histor armenia and map administr subdivis transcaucasia percent turk close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for tartar and proceed work extermin troop surround villag villag resist offer artilleri knock hut into heap stone and dust and villag unten and inhabit fled into field bullet and bayonet complet work tartar escap found refug mountain succeed cross border into turkei rest kill and that length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki hot plain ararat cold mountain plateau north dot mute mourn ruin tartar villag quiet villag for howl wolv and jackal that visit paw scatter bone dead ohanu appressian men that soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul power tear veil illus that creat for ourselv sever artifici life support system imagin ethnic puriti that fals trust structur that can support heart beat thi alien land sahak melkonian preserv armenian puriti apr walter bellcor ddc nyquist bellcor daniel dusan chukurov world inact conflict began christian armenian enclav insid muslim azerbaijan encourag conflict bosnia herzegovina moscow base activist part armenian kid armenian tore apart ottoman empir eastern provinc massacr million defenseless turkish women children and elderli peopl burn thousand turkish and kurdish villag and extermin entir turkish popul armenian dictatorship such outrag sleight hand that emploi todai armenia bring depth and verif turkish genocid that hard match hundr year ago armenian thought want sheer terror russian anarchist that accept role model armenian terror group asala sdpa arf terror and revision triangl resort tactic butcher score innoc turk and famili unit state and europ that scale fascist soviet armenia todai merciless massacr civilian popul small azeri town khojali pop karabagh azerbaijan report place night feb coordin militari oper mechan divis ci armi and armenian insurg close peopl report massacr elderli and children not spare badli beaten and shot close rang sens rage and helpless overwhelm azeri popul face arm and equip armenian insurg neighbor azeri citi aghdam karabagh region come heavi armenian artilleri shell citi hospit hit and two pregnant women born infant kill azerbaijan appeal intern commun condemn such barbar and ruthless attack popul and sovereignti serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	destroi ethnic ident turk greec macedonian articl new cso uiuc edu ptg uxa cso uiuc edu pano tamamidi write your memori weak refresh your memori that not late call istanbul even spell for you grandfath greec offici name citi constantinoupoli you relat arromdian asala sdpa arf terror and revision triangl read carefulli and speak recent helsinki watch page report broken promis tortur and ditto helsinki watch problem turk western thrace continu ankara page report helsinki watch state that turkish minor western thrace face problem and stipul that discriminatori polici implement greek govern brought end report western thrace emphas that greek govern grant social and polit right member minor that equal enjoi greek citizen and addit recogn exist turkish minor western thrace and grant identifi turk newspot greec isol west thrace turk xanthi independ ahmet faikoglu that greek state cut contact and relat turkish minor turkei point that greek minor live istanbul call greek ethnic definit religion minor western thrace consid interview greek newspap ethno greek citizen turkish origin individu minor live western trace turkish emphas educ problem for turkish minor western thrace faikoglu that agreement sign greec distribut textbook print turkei turkish minor school western thrace recal activ and komotini independ sadik ahmet defend right turkish minor faikoglu fact help greec prevent greec cradl democraci lose face european countri forc greek govern recogn legal right turco greek relat point that countri predestin live peac for geograph and histor reason and that turkei and greec resist foreign power creat rift cooper ad that turkei observ that will improv relat greec newspot januari macedonian human right activist face trial greec two ethnic macedonian human right activist will face trial athen for alleg crime greek state court summon obtain mil hristo sideropoulo and tashko bulev anastasio buli charg greek crimin law for make comment athenian magazin sideropoulo and bulev gave interview greek weekli magazin ena march and that macedonian deni basic human right greec and field ethnic macedonian candid for come greek gener elect bulev interview not greek macedonian sideropoulo articl that greec recognis macedonia alleg territori aspir greec tale panic secur border time border and barrier eec fall main charg two court summon that spread intention fals inform creat unrest and fear citizen and affect public secur harm intern interest countri greec greek state not recognis exist macedonian ethnic believ ethnic macedonian live greec larg concentr north crime greek state declar macedonian greec serbia yugoslavia and bulgaria partion macedonia into piec albania macedonian villag part serbo yugoslav occup broke independ republ macedonia million macedonian republ bulgaria albania and serbia proper sideropoulo long time campaign for macedonian human right greec and lost job forestri worker year ago even exil obscur greek island mediteranean pressur amnesti intern forc greek govern return home town florina lerin northern greec aegean macedonia major ethnic macedonian live balkan watcher sideropoulo affair show trial greec desper clamp intern dissent come issu recognit for northern neighbour republ macedonia last year state depart unit state condemn greec for bad treatment ethnic macedonian and turk larg live western thrace remain govern will presidenti elect serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	danni rubenstein talk danni rubenstein isra journalist will speak tonight wednesdai messi subject polit israel speak hillel berkelei campu talk sponsor berkelei israel action committe iac adam schwartz adam robot berkelei edu
talk.politics.mideast	danni rubenstein speak tonight danni rubenstein isra journalist will speak tonight wednesdai messi subject polit israel speak hillel berkelei campu adam schwartz adam robot berkelei edu
talk.politics.mideast	hizbollah israel line thursdai april todai aretz report that women injur katyusha rocket fell center commun rocket dozen fire commun galile northern israel yesterdai terrorist hizbullah organ articl apr ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem wrote congratul brave men lebanes resist isra son that you place grave you underlin moral bankruptci israel occup and draw attent isra govern polici reckless disregard for civilian life appar hizbollah encourag brad cheer good job brad forgot that brad ask place isra son grave not daughter paraphras bit rocket that hizbollah fire galile justifi israel hold secur zone noam
talk.politics.mideast	holocaust memori museum costli and danger mistak dgannon techbook techbook dan gannon write holocaust memori museum costli and danger mistak theodor keef holocaust revision theodor keef editor institut for histor review educ harvard univers harvard alumni directori keef fail graduat you decid for educ anywher steven smith
talk.politics.mideast	hamza salah humanist you peopl post forward system oper forward similar file omran salam john absood marlow ceas and sat apart indistinct and silent pose medit buddha move for time of bar black bank cloud and tranquil waterwai lead utter end earth flow sombr overcast sky
talk.politics.mideast	exact million reader enlighten serdar argic articl zuma sera zuma serdar argic write serdar argic merci and compassion serdar argic bounti divin know and footnot wisdom regrett omit for thi solemn tribut can join serdar argic fan club shirt friendli neighborhood alien life hasn sinc david koresh di
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror previou articl tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock articl apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer write isra press tad bit bias report event doubt propaganda machin goer report accur happen germani interest that you base truth isra propaganda sinc truth arab palestinian new outlet understand learn form propoganda reliabl anoth neutral human right organ report situat peopl us isra not deep isra us arrest and sometim kill neutral report thi anoth kind terror commit jew palestin not fair and neutral coverag situat palestin determin that and writer polit agenda whether side tim ana omran
talk.politics.mideast	israel expans virginia edu andi beyer write understand israel captur teritori and feel that annex can fulli understand deal palestinian jew treat holocaust final solut hitler total don subsid exist such thorough abus human right wonder that you misinform wonder comparison you make not total base offens sane peopl alan stein astein israel nysernet org
talk.politics.mideast	hamza salah humanist dzk brown edu danni keren write cleveland freenet edu hamaza salah write beyer great humanist speak read salah poster decrib jew son pig and monkei promis final battl muslim and jew ston and tree will cry for muslim come and kill jew hide make joke jew dy heart attack etc realiz object stanc matter involv humanist sub humanist alan stein astein israel nysernet org
talk.politics.mideast	zionism racism session dc witsend tnet write steve let zionism assum that you mean hear you weren listen told you zionism racism thi tautolog statement you confus tautolog fals and mislead alan stein astein israel nysernet org
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror cleveland freenet edu hamaza salah write you arab countri prohipit jew migrat palestin last arab countri syria not migrat due jewish state econom and securit dilemma usual salah not total racist manag virtual fact wrong assad pledg jew leav syria not israel not escap not don want leav assad back word and stop issu travel permit claim bureaucrat snag tactic pressur israel alan stein astein israel nysernet org
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror ask for you document alleg israel us arrest and kill neutral report you confus israel nation that geograph region notion free unmonitor govern press corp joke for notion that israel threaten human right palestinian seal gaza strip real palestinian palestinian civil war stop and palestinian can behav matur human be israel will talk concess side for peac not
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror articl usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu ana omran write previou articl tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock articl apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer write isra press tad bit bias report event doubt propaganda machin goer report accur happen germani interest that you base truth isra propaganda sinc truth arab palestinian new outlet understand learn form propoganda reliabl anoth neutral human right organ report situat peopl us isra not deep isra us arrest and sometim kill neutral report ana yahud need blood for matza passov last month don you give your nation geograph travelogu your recent trip palestin you disappoint you josh backon vm huji thi anoth kind terror commit jew palestin not fair and neutral coverag situat palestin determin that and writer polit agenda whether side tim ana omran
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror cleveland freenet edu ana omran write isra us arrest and sometim kill neutral report you give detail event neutral observ kill purpos isra soldier amo amo shapira jumper extraordinair true that power corrupt system group hebrew univers absolut power jerusalem israel amoss huji demon son
talk.politics.mideast	israel expans isreal jeruseleum home muslim jewish religion heck mention yitza shamir forti fifti year ago terror western abdul nidal todai isreali arab theref or jerusaleum isreal
talk.politics.mideast	holocaust memori museum costli and danger mistak articl techbook techbook dgannon techbook techbook dan gannon write holocaust memori museum costli and danger mistak theodor keef hard washington monument clear view jefferson memori easi stroll mall majest lincoln memori arisen hallow territori unit state america costli and danger mistak ground monument mark countless sacrific and unherald achiev american race and creed build and defens thi nation sit todai massiv and costli edific devot contenti and fals version ordeal europ world war american member minor sectarian group decept guis toler unit state holocaust memori museum begin propaganda campaign financ unwit largess american taxpay interest israel and adher america read paragraph quick scan confirm impress thi bunch revisionist and anti semit hogwash time report april that museum built privat contribut feder land your hate monger articl devoid current and histor fact intellectu content and social toilet jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	final solut palestin articl apr angel brown edu brown edu harri mamayski write articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write final solut for gaza ghetto isra jew fete upris warsaw ghetto repress violent mean upris gaza ghetto and attempt starv gazan jew warsaw ghetto fight and famili nazi ga chamber group hama and islam jihad fight express purpos drive jew into sea perhap persuad jewish peopl wnder freedom fighter attain thi ultim goal freedom fighter will choos spare oper jew that you count elia piti murder you your mother jewish asham son mr davidsson harri turn drive jew into sea sick and tire thi drive jew into sea sentanc attribut islam movement and plo simpli can proven part plan pro isra activist repeat parrot check authent sinc coin bnai brith hama and islam jihad can arab media islam state that protect right inhabit koran law thi revers situat jew palestin control land and muslim inhabit commit crime human tortur blow home murder treat and war crimin polit thought movement show that freedom choic will jew live law leav destint choic for plo loss explain insid arafat mind polit think fetch israel act true super power region islam movement weapon jew us establish state religion ahm
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror articl amoss apr shuldig huji amoss shuldig huji amo shapira write cleveland freenet edu ana omran write isra us arrest and sometim kill neutral report you give detail event neutral observ kill purpos isra soldier amo understand justifi rational recent murder ian feinberg gaza tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin
talk.politics.mideast	israel expans cleveland freenet edu write comparison palestinian situat holocaust insult and complet fals person make such rude and fals comparison ignor holocaust ignor situat mideast anti semit compar complic polit situat genocid jew racist and never holocaust holocaust not ignor holocaust and nazi germani peopl includ you resent ignor statement that call peopl name disagre your posit oppos atroc commit isra govern qualifi anti semit you name call valid form argument intellectu circl you don suffer jew wwii justifi crime commit isra govern attempt call civil liberterian anti semet not appreci
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror tclock orion oac uci edu write sinc truth arab palestinian new outlet understand learn form propoganda reliabl anoth determin that and writer polit agenda whether side tim correct that goerbel and not goer airforc ran nazi propaganda machin agre that arab new sourc inher bias statement react that sinc american account event not fulli isra account american bias thought that isra had motiv for bia time condemn israel for gross violat human right veto such attempt interest note that countri oppos such condemn and israel interest note that that mean western countri realiz human right violat human right violat
talk.politics.mideast	freedom start read articl thi new group attempt member quiet member scare tactic post that post person forward server file hope that action don you gui america such attempt curtail someon amend right not appreci speak mind feel your fascist repress ideal back you
talk.politics.mideast	convent proposal israel palestinian articl bce new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write articl bca new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write latest isra propos propos februari contain assumpt natur interim statu refer and gaza palestinian implement negoti state that israel will remain exist sourc author final statu agre exercis power isga will subject cooper and coordin israel israel will negoti deleg power and respons area administr justic personnel agricultur educ busi tourism labor and social welfar local polic local transport and commun municip affair and religi affair palestinian counterpropos march will limit pisga power and respons deriv charact interim arrang will strong polic forc respons for secur and public order opt can request assist peacekeep forc disput israel govern arrang will settl committe compos repres perman member secur council secretari gener pisga jordan egypt syria and israel read that will concret propos creation palestinian polic forc talk stage detail thi idea fit differ concept list tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin
talk.politics.mideast	invest yehuda and shomron aryan not base reason nazi ideolog racist spoke american citizen name judaism thi judaism judaism combat extremist and danger philosophi suspect that martin buber albert einstein and jewish scholar convert christian stai jew perceiv judaism such pervert philosophi learn pervers judaism consult masterli work yehoshua harkabi year head isra intellig and oppon plo latest book publish english and includ detail analysi judeo nazism
talk.politics.mideast	american jewish congress open letter clinton articl apr vxcrna cern casper vxcrna cern casper davi ppe write appal american jewish council open letter america not world policeman cannot and not ourselv solv problem entir world america young men and women not yugoslavia period peopl feel strongli individu fight alongsid butcher choic volunt armi argument you gave appli draft huh misread your remark young men and women unsur that sentenc mean peopl not becom butcher ethnic cleans you automat call butcher muslim disappoint your logic come stalwart sci skeptic you impli that send troop bosnia butcher choic sinc primari target muslim victim ethnic cleans you impli that such muslim victim butcher peopl becom butcher butcher atroc side thi impli side equal true sometim difficult imposs determin side victim that not mean that victim not exist you wwii that atroc side jew and german peopl butcher each for centuri side win and get will stop side want thing muslim chiefli want not ethnic cleans serbian want ethnic cleans muslim true that each side will stop get thing that two side want not equival quit impress leap reason assum that racist call butcher muslim fact contrari media fixat thi war oppos dozen dozen civil war fought recent past white peopl europ atroc occur world not new coverag and not level outrag recal for somalia appar left winger that reason will send troop bosnia somalia somali worlder american unworthi suddenli shut decid send troop opposit place that predict theori for that matter thi theori suggest that american want serb christian and muslim not desir interven bosnia base racism peopl that want side that side equal you dai christma truelov serv leftov turkei second dai christma truelov serv turkei casserol that made leftov turkei dai delet flame turkei wing pizza hut commerci and tlu gic bait ken arromde arromde jyusenky jhu edu
talk.politics.mideast	american jewish congress open letter clinton articl apr vxcrna cern casper vxcrna cern casper davi ppe write you awar that arm embargo yugoslavia includ bosnia guarante massiv militari superior serbian forc and not bosnian defend sell weapon side lose end embargo not sell european want sell weapon side concern you oppos end embargo you difficult for european sell weapon embargo place not automat accept argument that bosnia wors recent civil war vietnam for instanc differ happen white peopl insid europ lot coverag thi reason and side equal wouldn racist american favor good christian serb christian favor dai christma truelov serv leftov turkei second dai christma truelov serv turkei casserol that made leftov turkei dai delet flame turkei wing pizza hut commerci and tlu gic bait ken arromde arromde jyusenky jhu edu
talk.politics.mideast	american jewish congress open letter clinton articl vbnv blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write articl apr vxcrna cern casper vxcrna cern casper davi ppe write complain take point bosnia european ken bosnian moral superior serbian thi impli side equal true sometim difficult imposs determin side victim that not mean that victim not exist victim exist stagger number victim world and each dai balanc intervent creat victim includ american sinc respons govern protect american serv that role stai bosnia and region conflict you wwii that atroc side jew and german not jew not carv territori germani and for small scale resist and larger upris not armi govern peopl butcher each for centuri side win and get will stop side want thing muslim chiefli want not ethnic cleans serbian want ethnic cleans muslim true that each side will stop get thing that two side want not equival pattern atroc fairli practic tactic colon power drive and elimin popul area want control basic that vietnam iraqi kuwait isra palestin south africa etc etc etc suck ugli and sadden not genocid not impress that serb want elimin muslim yugoslavia bosnian get ass kick surrend and evacu area can hold fixat bosnia due european countri world recal for somalia appar left winger that reason will send troop bosnia somalia somali worlder american unworthi suddenli shut decid send troop opposit place that predict theori staunch republican btw ironi argu militari intervent argument base vietnam not escap oppos intervent somalia for reason not riski for that matter thi theori suggest that american want serb christian and muslim not desir interven bosnia base racism peopl that want side that side equal you thing you rememb press like good stori good for busi don you and btw not side that never two side moral equival innoc good reason stai european perfectli deal thi disput border put anoth assist offer european not possess not good promot idea mind that unit state respons for clean bloodi mess world clinton not man lead thi countri into militari adventur full stop mean clear intervent accomplish that necessarili victim not clear goal and point commit end
talk.politics.mideast	american jewish congress open letter clinton articl vbtk blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write articl apr vxcrna cern casper vxcrna cern casper davi ppe write you awar that arm embargo yugoslavia includ bosnia guarante massiv militari superior serbian forc and not bosnian defend sell weapon side lose end embargo not sell end give weapon european want sell weapon side concern you oppos end embargo you difficult for european sell weapon embargo place wwii british manag suppli arm yugoslav despit german occup european had will sponsor peac confer problem put kind weapon want into bosnia guess favor end embargo congress pass law forbid export militari suppli yugoslavia includ parti risk drawn into activ role great not arm embargo major factor outcom war not automat accept argument that bosnia wors recent civil war vietnam for instanc differ happen white peopl insid europ lot coverag thi reason and side equal wouldn racist american favor good christian serb christian favor side not equal ey press and that isn and you quit hurl word racist level peopl react fundament level you not conscious recogn racial element you simpli tend empath peopl prefer christian moslem atheist and you agre that major peopl not typic discrimin basi religion give import place world view dave
talk.politics.mideast	killer articl apr doug cae wisc edu yamen cae wisc edu soner yamen respond articl nic umass edu burak ucsvax uc umass edu af wrote af quick comment af af armenian kill turk turk kill armenian af af simpl that can deni fact jew kill german wwii german kill jew wwii quit differ two statement nazi revisionist grand parent live partli todai armenia and partli todai georgia villag kurd turk turkic group georgian muslim christian armenian and farsi eachoth peopl live awar differ peopl for exampl grandfath not happi doughter had will marri armenian gui that not mean that will kill eachoth neighbor armenian kill turk armenian neoghbor grandpar concern armenian attack armenian not neighbor place had train place taught kill peopl hate turk kurd differ plan extermin armenian eastern turkei begin that armeno georgian conflict late argument not whether armenian kill collect exist wholesal destruct anatolian armenian order turkish govern armenian georgian disput disposit akhalkalak lori and pambak turkish armi evacu region cannot equat extermin anatolian armenian armenian and georgian di thi area scrambl occupi land and lack prepar for winter month thi not turkish genocid armenian year earlier hundr kilomet kill rape turk and muslim peopl peopl assum that armenian kill rape women not group peopl train camp back power state that step you cannot explain peopl not hate armenian don follow perhap paragraph will shed light point for that region you cannot blame turk kurd etc sinc defens situat armenian not blame sinc peopl start that fire not easi undo fact peopl cannot trust eachoth easili difficult establish good relat base mutual respect and trust nation ethnic cultur religi background easi start fire fight armenian and georgian had destruct armenian turkei interest that georgian leader transcaucasian feder armenia azerbaijan and georgia made special deal turkish gener not pass tifli baku return for georgian not help armenian militarili turkish troop march across left caucasian armenia armenian north and such popul movement caus problem local thi comparison event year earlier eastern anatolia father mother famili escap cemiskezek erzinka erzerum nakhitchevan tifli constantinopl massachusett grandpar not bloodthirsti peopl not experi had endur had leav land ladi ladi children kill forc wit young women put dirt face make unattract don want into graphic detail grandmoth brother forc dress kurdish women and past potato skin face ugli turk kill armenian young man sight dersim famili influenti local kurd help escap late thi aliv todai you that sourc bias bias sens experienc pain that live peac neighbor becom enemi david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
talk.politics.mideast	israel expans articl auvm american edu paul pimentel auvm american edu write isreal jeruseleum home muslim jewish religion heck mention yitza shamir forti orfifti yearsago terror western abdul nidal todai isreali arab theref or jerusaleum isreal ownership rightli base worthi wouldn owner your point understand israel claim jerusalem base possess and absolut central not second not role plai jewish ident tim clock graduat student tclock orion oac uci edu depart polit and societi met tel fax
talk.politics.mideast	israel expans articl apr mcgill musicb mcgill write coupl question for pro isra lobbi israel occup southern lebanon temporari for stein work proof for you that israel divert water jordan river lebanes territori long gover can forc author and prevent terrorist attack israel israel occup west bank gaza and golan temporari for you support settler move into territori not temporari hear sinai had big citi that avcuat isreal gave back egypth for peac agreement opinin that settler will not obstacl for withdraw long combin real peac agreement arab and palastinian steve naftali naftali stramer intergraph electron internet nstramer dazixco ingr lookout road suit voic fax boulder qualiti job and job watch that can
talk.politics.mideast	holocaust memori museum costli and danger mistak articl boni boni jake boni boni jake livni write articl techbook techbook dan gannon write holocaust memori museum costli and danger mistak theodor keef hard washington monument clear view jefferson memori easi stroll mall majest lincoln memori arisen hallow territori unit state america costli and danger mistak ground monument mark countless sacrific and unherald achiev american race and creed build and defens thi nation sit todai massiv and costli edific devot contenti and fals version ordeal europ world war american member minor sectarian group decept guis toler unit state holocaust memori museum begin propaganda campaign financ unwit largess american taxpay interest israel and adher america jake read paragraph quick scan confirm jake impress thi bunch revisionist and anti semit hogwash jake disappoint you you paragraph that bunch revisionist and anti semit hogwash articl titl holocaust memori museum costli and danger mistak tsiel tsiel ohayon jcpl you not receiv thi mail employ not opinion two percent almost noth
talk.politics.mideast	dear ajami read todai two articl drip hate and offenc great deal peopl find match hatr your articl found righteou kill name god peopl don you attcak reaction hatr call thi newsgroup reaction hardship you and experienc learnt not judg peopl put place and aspir understand feel hope you start your ownself that you understand your feel and act manner you aspir adopt for your time nabil
talk.politics.mideast	freedom articl apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer write start read articl thi new group attempt member quiet member scare tactic post that post person forward server file hope that action don you gui america such attempt curtail someon amend right not appreci speak mind feel your fascist repress ideal back you nice you rightli point inher freedom speech discuss deal frequent ritual abus and distort that freedom that occur situat extrem vocal and radic peopl drive peopl effect stifl oppos view and gener purpos such action depriv freedom speech overt and covert coercion and domin media form question freedom speech valu thi not you suggest that thi sort reoccur problem allevi can thi control structur newsgroup tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin
talk.politics.mideast	freedom dear beyer never wise confus freedom speech freedom racism and violent deragatori unfortun that fail understand thi crucial distinct find absolut and complet contradict racial invect creat atmospher intimid individu belong group target group not feel eas and liberti exercis fundament freedom speech thi brand vilif not sanction freedom speech salam john absood marlow ceas and sat apart indistinct and silent pose medit buddha move for time of bar black bank cloud and tranquil waterwai lead utter end earth flow sombr overcast sky
talk.politics.mideast	binyamin netanyahu cnn tonight articl mne world std mkay world std martin kay write great interview benjamin netanyahu cnn larri king live thi gui talk trueli charismat articul intellig and demonstr real leadership qualiti agre like polit stewart clamen internet clamen cmu edu school comput scienc uunet clamen cmu edu carnegi mellon univers phone forb avenu fax pittsburgh usa
talk.politics.mideast	legal jewish purchas isra expans lust articl apr bnr zbib bnr write adam shostack write sam zbib write surpris that you don acquisit land jew arab for purpos establish exclus state hostil action lead war for purpos establish state not exclus state state exclus not arab citizen you ethnic composit israel form and not purchas land hostil action bui land and will sell mutual agreeabl price that commerc not hostil action lead war mind sell freedom and digniti palestinian except perhap you heard anti trust busi world sinc debat legal commerci transact us law govern guidelin and ethic such transact basic anti trust law that you can purchas ibm stock for purpos invest you can not acquir larg number share intent control ibm you can you make your intent clear apriori jew purchas properti palastenian had design not bui dwell real estat establish bridgehead for european jew palastenian sold properti jew tradit arab hospit multi ethnic multi religi societi accept jew neighbour anoth religion paid fair market etc not victim intern conspiraci not conspiraci theorist thi hard dismiss address thi point jewish nation fund bought land didn bui palestinian for part tenant farmer fallahin live land own wealthi arab syria and lebanon jnf offer premium deal owner advantag call commerc owner made provis for had work for basic shaft sell land blame not jew adam shostack adam da harvard edu sam zbib bell northern research bitnet internet zbib bnr voic fax surfac mail stop box station ottawa canada opinion and amir
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talk.politics.mideast	israel expans virginia edu andi beyer write never holocaust holocaust not ignor holocaust and nazi germani peopl includ you sign argument merit state qualif area you nazi germani show you don shut simpl that don suffer jew wwii justifi crime commit isra govern attempt call civil liberterian anti semet not appreci jew suffer wwii not belov perish tortur suffer second name call direct you not civil libertarian gener your name drop fanci sound polit term anoth attempt cite qualif order obfusc your glare unprepared for thi argument back minor junior
talk.politics.mideast	rememb name come elect time articl ztet dwz cmu edu anwar cmu edu anwar moham write articl apollo nelson apollo peter nelson write btw bosnia larg moslem popul nation turkei saudi arabia syria egypt and monei strong militari forc not spoken forcibl offer bosnia you don spoken sec state christoph recent trip note claus forcibl point that made pro forma perfunctori remark and and not lose sleep motion moslem ethnic cleans us yugoslavia speak loudli moslem nation and world forum case that can made for militari involv that doesn appli equal liberia angola appear khmer roug campaign cambodia white don count hmm kuwaiti white ooop forgot kuwaiti oil rich load petro dollar etc don count precis humanitarian concern not primari justif for involv gulf oil and geopolit kuwaiti didn oil and assum iraq fit invad doubt you oper desert storm peter
talk.politics.mideast	freedom articl apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer write don you gui america such attempt curtail someon amend right not appreci speak mind feel your fascist repress ideal back you hei tough gui freedom necessit respons and freedom absolut btw defend arafat read open fire jewish immigr soviet union ethiopia anywher give you instruct us violenc immigr willjail refus thi yassir arafat muharar not racist anti jewish pete
talk.politics.mideast	freedom freeman find construct your time engag fantasi not that affinti arafat john marlow ceas and sat apart indistinct and silent pose medit buddha move for time of bar black bank cloud and tranquil waterwai lead utter end earth flow sombr overcast sky
talk.politics.mideast	rememb name come elect time articl ztk dyi cmu edu anwar cmu edu anwar moham write articl apollo nelson apollo peter nelson write case that can made for militari involv that doesn appli equal liberia angola appear khmer roug campaign cambodia white don count hmm kuwaiti white ooop forgot kuwaiti oil rich load petro dollar etc don count and not forget somalia white get and somalia across gulf aden wealthiest arab nation planet becom point man for thi stuff don mind help invari happen that expect work and risk even event occur peopl back yard and resourc deal quit you mean not serbia somalia repres overwhelm militari forc that neighbor can handl logist big deal lot bigger logist challeng troop and suppli york somalia saudi arabia harder texa serbia turkei austria serbia peter
talk.politics.mideast	israel expans waldo cybernet cse fau edu write virginia edu andi beyer write never holocaust holocaust not ignor holocaust and nazi germani peopl includ you sign argument merit state qualif area you nazi germani show you don shut simpl that don suffer jew wwii justifi crime commit isra govern attempt call civil liberterian anti semet not appreci jew suffer wwii not belov perish tortur suffer second name call direct you not civil libertarian gener your name drop fanci sound polit term anoth attempt cite qualif order obfusc your glare unprepared for thi argument back minor junior human suffer emotion jew and suffer physic sad that peopl you blind emot that can fact for call name assur kind ignor peopl deal includ your letter sinc thought demonstr point write
talk.politics.mideast	freedom jaa cunixa columbia edu write dear beyer never wise confus freedom speech freedom racism and violent deragatori unfortun that fail understand thi crucial distinct fact speach not offens protect freedom speach law useless speach that find question that protect religi blasphem inher racist civil discours and not scare tactic that can enlighten that perceiv ignor that idea freedom express you find offens perceiv truth and find offens your belief free exchang idea and insult case thi channel that can chang anoth er wai that jefferson that not afraid toler error long reason left combat
talk.politics.mideast	israel expans articl auvm american edu paul pimentel auvm american edu isreal jeruseleum home muslim jewish religion heck mention yitza shamir forti fifti year ago terror western abdul nidal todai isreali arab theref or jerusaleum isreal big differ israel and arab christian thi respect israel freedom religion avi
talk.politics.mideast	gaza and separ israel center for polici research cpr subject gaza and separ israel gaza and idea separ isra left inabl cope challeng present realiti becom obviou moment realiti not line expect left thi gulf war palestinian popular solidar iraq yossi sarid minist environ made infam statement you for not make effort speak you yossi sarid point view palestinian realiti gulf war not lengthi curfew danger hunger brought whether not palestinian accept accept parti similarli meretz deddi tzuker recent face critic resid west bank town beit sahour govern and parti lack action for human right and peac respond ask present discuss whether likud govern leftist perspect thi govern govern member isra left decid futur occupi territori will and want dictat palestinian essenti step thi futur particip yitzhak rabin govern and point view expuls margin byproduct thi govern peac not disturb routin event likewis rabin polici gaza blow hous anti tank rocket and signific increas number person injur suppress demonstr not disturb fact that realiti not forc mob gaza fall settler lost settler stab palestinian worker palestinian knife peopl street tel aviv hell break loos and isra left noth propos separ cut ourselv palestinian build fenc high that won harm thi cry isra left erect fenc and realiti whith occup meron benvenisti write thi aretz liber left not differenti physic separ and futur territori come understand that regim magnet card exclus arab worker closur and curfew instrument enforc design for suppress popul revolt and that ideolog support for separ humanitarian argument for legitim statu quo enforc separ carri meet rule commun rule popul bear burden whoover think that gaza liber humanitarian idea had contempl question whether thi posit moral easi shake respons for thi concentr human suffer and disregard respons for creation easi erect fenc jewish and arab neighborhood jerusalem thi fenc gate kei dispos hand open jew pursu interest bar arab front jerusalem march
talk.politics.mideast	conf mideast levant center for polici research cpr subject conf mideast levant right children violat state israel select articl geneva convent articl physic moral coercion exercis protect person obtain inform parti articl high contract parti specif agre that each prohibit take measur such charact physic suffer extermin protect person hand thi prohibit appli not murder tortur corpor punish measur brutal whether appli civilian militari agent articl protect person punish for offenc not person commit collect penalti and likewis measur intimid terror prohibit articl take hostag prohibit articl individu mass forcibl transfer deport protect person occupi territori territori occupi power that countri occupi not prohibit motiv articl occupi power cooper nation and local author facilit proper work institut devot care and educ children articl destruct occupi power real person properti belong individu collect privat person state public author social cooper organ prohibit such destruct render absolut militari oper obviou that violat articl violat intern convent right child
talk.politics.mideast	assist palest peopl center for polici research cpr subject assist palest peopl gener assembl resolut decemb assist palestinian peopl gener assembl recal resolut decemb take into account intifadah palestinian peopl occupi palestinian territori isra occup includ isra econom and social polici and practic reject isra restrict extern econom and social assist palestinian peopl occupi palestinian territori concern econom loss palestinian peopl result gulf crisi awar increas provid econom and social assist palestinian peopl affirm that palestinian peopl cannot develop nation economi long isra occup persist take note report secretari gener assist palestinian peopl express appreci state unit nation bodi and intergovernment and government organ that provid assist palestinian peopl request intern commun unit nation system and intergovernment and government organ sustain and increas assist palestinian peopl close cooper palestin liber organ plo take account econom loss palestinian peopl result gulf crisi call for treatment transit basi palestinian export and import pass neighbour port and point exit and entri call for grant trade concess and concret preferenti measur for palestinian export basi palestinian certif origin call for lift isra restrict and obstacl hinder implement assist project unit nation develop programm unit nation bodi and provid econom and social assist palestinian peopl occupi palestinian territori reiter call for implement develop project occupi palestinian territori includ project mention resolut decemb call for facilit establish palestinian develop bank occupi palestinian territori view promot invest product employ and incom request secretari gener report gener gener assembl session econom and social council progress made implement present resolut favour countri europ canada australia zealand japan africa south america central america and asia unit state and israel abstain
talk.politics.mideast	violat israel arab you whether approv sever human right violat arab state becus focu isra human right violat make thing clear opposit violat arab state total and qualif arab state and can claim democrat arab state claim democrat born palestin israel famili lack peac and utter injustic home countri affect life concern palestin israel want peac come peac and justic legitim claim arab state present claim and for support jew left arab state fulli entitl make claim and case merit basic return countri not not complain and compar palestinian struggl for return sinc israel establish and upheld unit nation quasi total jew feel discrimin arab countri legitim claim that decent person can and support human right violat arab state don justifi legitim for isra breach intern law and human rioght isra breach stem zionist concept can implement negat basic right palestinian isra tright and palestinian right not symmetr parti state and occupi and second occupi for meaning relationship emerg symmetri establish long isra and jew don realis necess chang perspect palestinian peopl and long isra and jew don want exorcis past palestinian naqba etc and refus acknowledg that creation israel depend remov palestinian arab will base for real trust read time list arab villag destroi state israel and shock hope will touch thi discoveri and mean such massiv destruct and destitut elia davidsson iceland
talk.politics.mideast	desertif negev center for polici research cpr subject desertif negev desertif arid negev mois saltiel march negev bedouin and jewish agricultur settlement negev iii develop negev rural popul econom situat jewish settlement failur settl arava vallei failur settl central mountain vii failur make negev bedouinenrein cleans negev bedouin viii transform bedouin into low paid worker failur settl develop town jordan water negev strateg asset negev becom dump ground xii dimona nuclear plant xiii negev militari base xiv negev year creation state israel phrase jewish pioneer will make desert bloom trumpet western world six dai war david ben gurion declar letter charl gaull pioneer creation that transform poor and arid land into fertil land creat built area town and villag abandon desert area contrari ben gurion assert affirm that year british mandat palestin and for centuri previou product human presenc found part negev desert arid hill and vallei southern negev fertil north bedouin arab real desertif negev southern part occur israel dispossess bedouin cultiv land and pastur nowadai major squar kilomet negev repres percent state israel pre border desertifi recognit main occupi bedouin negev isra armi natur reserv author chief role prevent bedouin roam pastur land and vast industri zone includ nuclear reactor and dump ground for chemic nuclear and wast isra jew negev todai cultiv half surfac area cultiv bedouin and jewish pastor activ agricultur and pastor activ negev bedouin and british mandatori statist beersheba sub district correspond israel negev southern district had inhabit almost bedouin arab held camel cow and oxen sheep and goat major bedouin live sedentari life north precipit rang and per year cultiv hectar beersheba district percent total area and doubl area cultiv negev jewish settler year make desert bloom bedouin had low crop yield kilogram barlei per hectar raini year and farm techniqu primit product base sole anim and human labor underscor that anim product low base pastur product increas consider raini year and diminish significantli drought year bedouin pastur anim goat camel and sheep had abil gain weight quickli rel raini winter and withstand waterless dai hot summer anim result centuri process natur select harsh local condit creation state israel percent negev bedouin expel sinai southern jordan allow remain confin territori hectar region annual mean precipi quantiti low ensur crop failur two year rare water well south and central negev spring life desert cement prevent bedouin shepherd roam bedouin shepherd allow stai central negev sinai return egypt bedouin elimin time strong pressur appli bedouin abandon cultiv field order that land transfer armi reliabl statist exist amount land held todai negev bedouin fact that larg part hectar cultiv seiz isra author bedouin confin develop town soweto establish for rest articl elia davidsson email elia ismennt
talk.politics.mideast	zionism racism center for polici research cpr subject zionism racism diaspora cancer julian kossoff and lindsai schusman jewish chronicl london dec lead isra author and cultur comment yehoshua launch feroci attack diaspora jewri zionist youth council meet north london last week diaspora claim cancer connect main tissu jewish peopl scath failur act holocaust diaspora religi and secular leadership had warn sign and had fierc oppos zionism consid holocaust failur judaism talk entitl diaspora neurot solut cover year jewish histori yehoshua target includ soviet jew not stai israel run and jew israel peopl countri hotel conclus draw that diaspora immor look israel for ident live wors threaten israel creat distract for citizen leav thousand yehoshua describ soldier for aliyah end call for creation total jew live israel earlier speak meet jewish student difficulti forg nation ident isra literatur yehoshua claim that isra writer paralyz countri polit situat israel war had onc provid writer vital sourc inspir todai isra writer avoid write directli arab isra conflict major work had produc intifada writer tackl theme such jewish ident emigr israel and person and famili issu yehoshua admit felt unabl write isra polit situat longer step into isra arab shoe and portrai real flesh and blood charact claim that year statehood problem isra ident had not solv jew remain pre occupi border ident jew and jew and not concern natur that ident jewish valu israel embrac aspect daili life unlik diaspora jew had respons for countri live warn that modern hebrew unifi forc for jewish peopl struggl for futur literari circl face fierc competit english languag
talk.politics.mideast	poem erich fri center for polici research cpr subject poem erich fri poem german jewish poet erich fri holocaust survivor ein jude die zionistischen kaempfer von erich fri wollt ihr eigentlich wollt ihr wirklich die uebertreffen die euch niedergetreten haben vor einem menschenalt euer eigen blut und euren eigenen kot wollt ihr die alten foltern jetzt ander weitergeben mit allen blutigen dreckigen einzelheiten mit allem brutalen genuss die folterknecht wie unser vaeter sie damal erlitten haben wollt jetzt wirklich ihr die neue gestapo sein die neue wehrmacht die neue and und au den palaestinensern die neuen juden machen aber dann will auch ich weil ich damal vor fuenfzig jahren selbst al ein judenkind gepeinigt wurd von euren peinigern ein neuer jude sein mit diesen neuen juden denen ihr die palaestinens macht und ich will sie zurueckfuehren helfen al freie menschen ihr eigen land palaestina au dem ihr sie vertrieben habt oder dem ihr sie quaelt ihr hakenkreuzlehrling ihr narren und wechselbaelg der weltgeschicht denen der davidstern auf euren fahnen sich immer schneller verwandelt da verflucht zeichen mit den vier fuessen da ihr nun nicht sehen wollt aber dessen weg ihr heut geht
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talk.politics.mideast	account anti armenian human violat azerbaijan account anti armenian human violat azerbaijan prelud current event nagorno karabakh nake girl hair drag fall push and kick fell muddi and wit balconi told seiz hair and drag coupl block mortgag bank that good block and half two thi for deposit tatyana mikhailovna arutunian nezhintseva born train conductor azerbaijani railroad resid build apart microdistrict sumgait azerbaijan hadn live long sumgait year move novosibirsk son enter baku nautic school and transfer azerbaijan met and marri and name arutunian husband name that massacr not discuss openli hint and gibe speak armenian peopl and mock russian constantli awar work and not thi past year couldn find definit place for pool work couldn steal couldn deceiv and couldn involv bribe take and ask for decent work condit told leav don work you aren cut for thi kind work and work and time hear gibe armenian turk had kill multipli make hard for live and thing will fine rid problem turk will rid armenia armenian half hour that never thought that spill into bloodi tragedi you couldn imagin live soviet govern for year and even consid such idea had form opinion and presenc authorit peopl thi lead peopl not kind situat emerg russian flee sumgait left deal thi and happen and clear that had arrang you make secretari citi parti committe march ahead demonstr azerbaijani flag wouldn thi hadn receiv person confirm guard club club that muslimzad women told that muslimzad didn rumor that had carri azerbaijani flag thought that fals rumor and you secretari citi parti committe answer and you march ahead that gang carri azerbaijani flag and you carri denigr sign don exactli mention armenian blood and tell dissuad ask anoth question and you burn and slaughter and didn didn didn anticip that that happen sumgait comrad mamedov deputi chairman council minist azerbaijani ssr answer question for didn anticip slaughter sumgait that time crowd baku that prepar for massacr exact word offic council minist armenian ssr and event pain discuss that not true rumor happen make round true aren true fals horribl ag space ag ag scienc ag progress don had told thi stori live moscow wouldn believ not genocid massacr that genuin for exampl that dai didn husband and sick had flu and bed neighbor come place and you bed you don demonstr town and overturn armenian car and burn into car and ask you armenian answer armenian turn car and burn thi isn made wife senior investig baku ministri intern affair told return home dacha wife raisa sevastyanova neighbor immedi and told li that had land middl don call cavalcad automobil stop answer azerbaijani made honk horn kick fraca didn even and that didn happen can that and muslimzad lead crowd and sputnik store complet smash salespeopl armenian and that had start break glass that store don break shop window don destroi state properti you want didn hear thi two ear fact that store torn and director store beaten for emploi armenian azerbaijani talk sudden across sevastyanova window and crowd and look that crowd had start wreck neighbor build armenian famili woman and two girl live across don build number peopl name sinc husband apart microdistrict and live microdistrict aw loot time hideou thing build our attack twice onc wasn for return place hadn finish armenian azerbaijani famili dare conceal armenian beat azerbaijani beat russian russian hide russian televis peopl nation didn peopl nation wouldn touch azerbaijani hadn dare stick for armenian and give temporari shelter home time thi window sevastyanova and husband balconi and televis fly balconi kind thing even sofa burn crowd and ooh couldn figur happen and told husband lendrush beat and answer don suddenli crowd separ for moment and and raisa sevastyanova husband had turn didn nake girl hair drag fall push and kick fell muddi and wit balconi told seiz hair and drag coupl block mortgag bank that good block and half two thi for crowd rush build stand and you can imagin feel kill not and had aw thought that torment torment that woman had that ask husband gave ax and you kill and want corps neighbor true defend aren armenian entrywai muslim live disast miss that time two clock morn crowd peopl approxim back place husband asleep can sleep upset can stand run balconi balconi power don rememb for long had deliber turn light whatsoev and glad thought that and crowd balconi thi morn time build and morn never thought that that woman floor azerbaijani awak and watch human be pail garbag need take garbag two clock morn us pretext and young peopl youngster balconi you perfectli that young azerbaijani boi spoke azerbaijani and you want and answer want armenian famili that live point second floor hand told you don armenian leav you hear thi muslim woman talk you and grab hand boi walk and enter build and start push and listen young start apolog and left that second time death door forgot mention apart man name rubik live don knew daughter mean didn that that gui live fourth floor across entrywai chernobyl and work for month earn monei can you imagin that mean risk life earn amount monei order famili bought furnitur and get readi give daughter hand marriag ala ruin creep and scoundrel threw window and rest balconi neighbor left and ran into apart and carri that hadn smash that mean that parent famili opinion that organ and that had foreseen advanc beat armenian and strip apart order move armenian and apart work honestli life you can check patriot china wait for night end front consul gener ussr homeland patriot knew that parti and komsomol holi thing sumgait that wasn holi that parti membership bought that komsomol member join for person gain that ideal idea god save bought and sold and understood that crap can talk imag that beat apart pick soviet armi guard had arriv suppress that gang not armenian russian famili and children apart and join normal person had that stai situat and interest that left buse rode and thought that group peopl for peopl basic rise situat compass for armenian understand injustic analyz and weigh thing onc calm thought conclus that share peopl lot azerbaijani didn want armenian neighbor kill and that basic depend that muslimzad that had want calm that didn peopl hand whisper last minut and announc televis citizen sumgait you can into your hand protect neighbor thi massacr crowd weren such that control basic unarm didn firearm had knive had kind metal part armatur shaft sharpen end special rock degre that notic aren rock sumgait soil brought special plan weigh and neighbor had want defend wasn arrang mean that govern didn want crowd move citi parti committe sputnik inform baku turn crowd violenc microdistrict won mention thing didn talk thing wit microdistrict begin clock even build and mid night clock morn back build hadn complet finish make predatori round microdistrict return build told husband lendrush polic come god author find and come aid ala author not singl policeman not singl fireman not singl ambul rage turn found begin dead peopl ruin apart and burn auto car bu station burn and overturn dai and block live balconi attack soldier buse beat poor unarm soldier and that squar can rememb name that fork come bu station that intersect upset and can name tall build stori and balconi peopl that butcheri poor soldier wear helmet shield and unfortun club move that mob and fell year boi ran and stone big heavi stone beat death head guess that that happen soviet union and soviet govern upshot that thi republ not soviet control for long time want pai attent involv you and work peopl confirm that truth struggl for truth for year year that work azerbaijani railroad peopl consid demagogu adventur seeker and prankster want becom outrag can thi peopl treat anoth thi soviet railroad azerbaijani railroad azerbaijani properti properti magnat mafia want you want rid you want and black market price for brazen coach moscow cost coach local train cost onc complain head conductor pool had nerv you won even thi thi afraid heard ear tatyana long can you fight for that you will never effect you alon don you give monei chief conductor and will fine for you start cry turn and left complain realiz that useless and root thing that and file written complaint and ground into dust destroi copi us gener procuraci involv investig bloodi sumgait affair addit inform wit gave testimoni mafia railroad accept petit don pursu not you excus longer thing aspir thing believ dead spit soul stomp physic and import spiritu you can lose belong that nonsens that come time your soul spit and you your belief destroi can difficult restor want incid don time such state that didn even minor thing into account exampl not minor neighbor raisa sevastyanova son valeri grade school microdistrict boi vitali danielian don last name school school sit apart make phone call moscow and import detail massacr began for two hour phone weren work armenian apart and russian and azerbaijani apart fact matter that servic shut you not call anywher mean plan come servic cut for reason and light and brat rage like weren afraid ran freeli that slap hand and dare stop knew incid thi vitali vitalik armenian boi school valeri class valeri and neighbor pal time apart sat phone wait for call put mob attack build vitalik live valeri ran mother and mamma vitalik kill aliv can bring and save nice gui good person smart mother wouldn tear valeri you can afraid mamma can crowd watch made don vitalik parent live microdistrict and made superfici deduct know that balconi and door broken that you street armenian apart build and and look and that window intact and calm even window that apart not broken insid total smash and vitalik lai broken skull and mother and father had murder vitalik didn even dead two week ago don critic condit longer left sumgait march spent time moscow and yerevan month hard thi straight valeri dai found that vitalik famili kill and vitalik ling semashko hospit baku valeri and classmat togeth and visit wouldn admit tell that critic condit and that coma cri and left found that girl kick and drag that hospit turn brought condit aliv time club friend and anoth throw ourselv into arm and kiss you had wonder friend aliv not friend aliv not and you you glad find that famili had live you peopl you heard thing that made your hair stand end you publish that happen will hideou book book thing even difficult and two girl rape black and blue not ly that girlfriend and happen and bare breast and complet cover cigarett burn rogu had put cigarett breast that don you can live citi and peopl stai militari unit for provid basic condit for militari unit locat nasosni six mile sumgait and live met larger group peopl peopl unit you point couldn even you you heartbreak you and you hear fals rumor fals rumor spread sumgait that armenian yerevan had destroi azerbaijani villag and raze ground bulldoz didn whether not and peopl don idea that reveng arriv armenia and spitak and spitak villag not intact that time had even protect case guard food inhabit spitak not singl person di and plan harm yerevan villag safe and unharm and armenian didn attack evil magnitud suffer sumgait feel veng act and don you sometim hear accus effect that armenian guilti that organ rumor that spread azerbaijan and person and ten young hear not perceiv mind heart that older person tell truth for exampl you that peopl kill origin peopl found azerbaijani and armenian upset utterli imposs discuss such thing and not becom upset sometim forget thing want return time club across citi parti committe muslimzad club build couldn that had march front carri banner mention thi and repeat excus ask you that and you you come laugh women strewn floor overcrowd tremend complet unsanitari and children sick true troop make livabl for cook for field stove and provid wonder food thing that main job ferret gang that that continu sordid affair never direct order didn author and not and march clock even that krayev lieuten gener citi command sumgait full author and told microphon armor personnel carrier that want heart advis and reloc peopl militari unit that not want talk muslimzad characterist build and citi parti committe across squar club hand and citizen don worri and talk offic told you don iota you citi parti committe disappear and trace will disappear you can stand and anoth interest detail that meet even funni time wasn laugh nice expens hat and put shame speak you come dude london dandi you smell good perfum you your starch shirt and you your expens hat you ridicul poor women and children ly floor get sick rel di you come laugh and accompani azerbaijani don titl quickli snatch hat muslimzad head and hid god not maraud not you didn come you intent steal kill kill muslimzad not guilti kill kill not guilti and fine you not guilti your give answer ask you you tortur and rape poor women kill children burn thing carri outrag and wreck apart you you didn expect not didn anticip that that happen sumgait start laugh and funni didn and ridicul you secretari citi parti committe shouldn march front banner fall that gang cross dead bodi that you that war not singl parti committe secretari compromis di led peopl into battl and you you ran you left you hid you march flag you afraid excus languag you fear for your damn hide and you you that you confus and you you that told citi parti committe confus parti committe confus polic confus baku confus lai faint for two week and gang ran show impun and weren for troop wouldn two dai wouldn singl armenian left sumgait for finish bloodi affair brazenli russian and told finish armenian come you and colonel militari unit light blue collar tab flew and two hour arriv armor personnel carrier and militari unit and start move militari unit ask will come openli you for main thing catch that gang finish that quickli you stai militari unit for time and decid gener procuraci ussr arriv consist investig citi stavropol affair fright thi comrad katusev spoke deputi gener procur ussr gave speech armor personnel carrier militari unit told honest truth couldn not experienc impress had and afghanistan and bad sumgait horribl and peopl dare such thing will sever punish accord law and that quot mother throw two son had di ey and will return son punish culprit calm and order for conduct proper investig order that not singl scoundrel avoid respons you don gang conceal home and neighbor don afraid write detail that you not afraid that you afraid live such horror that write truth neighbor that will seek reveng thi set urn and you can throw you write don wrote name peopl write won made public inform each and not afraid each write that gang made threat shout threaten gibe armenian you describ peopl and put inform into urn two soldier and major guard urn and peopl peopl didn even want write woman ask and you russian thing won happen you will happen give you inform and you write for afraid and lot katusev made speech sat and wrote knew and threw into urn don will us for factual pictur will emerg that inform person can lie thousand can lie thousand simpli can lie you agre that fact fact for exampl that black white black deputi chairman council minist azerbaijani ssr mamedov yerevan husband and council minist armenian ssr and found that mamedov present had come convinc peopl sumgait return previou dwell apart ask for meet and grant behav properli polit delic truth told face and ask question had ask muslimzad you person beat you convinc return didn you time that slaughter lead you tell truth not minc word you told face and you straight you pure truth bed even govern includ and restrain crowd baku never expect that citi sumgait fine intern record such thing happen expect baku that mean you expect you expect and you happen that expect baku restrain sumgait fine you didn for hour you and didn and thing that basic stori muslimzad you back situat sumgait favor fine armenian friendli azerbaijani thi answer you speak you member neutral nation never argu armenian azerbaijani and eyewit you comrad mamedov ask you thi honestli you complet frank admit that honestli asham shame entir azerbaijani nation disgrac ourselv not entir soviet union world voic america and foreign radio station hue brand kind rumor and noth add happen don add aw agre you understand your pain unfortun occurr repeat that unfortun occurr and suddenli rememb had pen hand fidget nervous and excus tragedi thi mean that think unfortun occurr and understand that thi you can return sumgait cool and realiz that peopl and even gave detail don matter not that policemen specif relat that bloodi affair anoth good detail set work baku event undergar plant azerbaijani work and suddenli tell didn nail your husband screw floor hadn imagin that baku that that offic need find dai happen put dai februari march and administr told don tatyana head conductor pool grate don put unexcus absenc discourag thi that hair death and bare surviv and tell that skip work enjoi offic chief pool last name rasulov and had that posit for year incident parti member and big man town and suddenli and comrad rasulov thi look askanc and and you previou last name you wrap thi mess you mean wrap thi mess husband armenian armenian last name and screw face made kind grimac had eaten sour and didn expect that you mean that and behav chief pool man supervis worker true reduct for conductor work for and supervis staff that size thing that can you expect simpl uneduc polit unsophist person and rumor that armenian thi armenian that and that mamedov back mamedov offic ask you guarante safeti live return sumgait answer you guarante don want guarante firmli for year won guarante for longer year you anoth thing that plan for year quiet and anoth year happen couldn and told and that point you knew treat russian for exampl baku and sumgait hound job you receiv complaint wrote respond ignor didn you prepar peopl for thi you treat and you you final start insult threw pen desk you scoundrel you not talk you don can convict that comrad involv thi that and that for assur that yerevan fals rumor that sumgait armenian and sumgait and had back work work and life good drove town ourselv comrad arutiunian secretari communist parti armenia ssr council minist armenian and brought inform show that fine sumgait ask mamedov had reach that conclus walk street and walk street citi even york never understand situat guest don contact peopl you spend dai blue collar worker such that didn you deputi chairman council minist you hear quit told for exampl that drew conclus left militari unit apart turn pick thing sinc peopl had fled militari unit bu save neighbor microdistrict will view thought that fact wasn gener mass natur anti nation and that bu build bu apart arm soldier accompani that speak fact that fine soldier and come back apart apart and fact young peopl you sens delight misfortun grin and make comment and that presenc troop polic detach microdistrict and armor personnel carrier and tank pass and peopl take such malici delight situat that withdraw protect citi altogeth will outrag perhap not organ allei april yerevan refer sumgait tragedi pogrom armenian soviet azerbaijan volum eyewit account edit samuel shahmuradian forward yelena bonner publish aristid caratza page david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
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talk.politics.mideast	israel expans articl auvm american edu paul pimentel auvm american edu write isreal jeruseleum home muslim jewish religion york home unit nation home myriad ethnic group nyc compar gaza strip control author pleas punch unload want heck mention yitzak shamir forti fifti year ago terror western abdul nidal todai isreali arab jerusaleum isreal histor bullshit shamir fought british incident ship shipload jew back nazi for extermin and hung jewish fighter that captur and didn want deal anymor shamir not attack civilian airlin cruis ship airport sport event movi theater market buse and children schoolyard your comparison master murder abu nidal blind jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
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talk.politics.mideast	seventh centuri armenian math problem problem father told stori famou war armenian and persian princ zaurak kamsarakan perform extraordinari heroic deed time singl month attack persian troop time struck half persian armi second time pursu persian slaughter fourth soldier time destroi eleventh persian armi persian aliv number two hundr eighti fled nakhichevan and thi remaind find persian soldier massacr answer corollari armenian strike slaughter destroi and massacr not innoc asala network claim
talk.politics.mideast	account anti armenian human violat azerbaijan account anti armenian human violat azerbaijan prelud current event nagorno karabakh ask matter can you overturn car and kill armenian deposit zaven armenakovich badasian born emploi sumgait bulk yarn plant resid build apart microdistrict sumgait azerbaijan februari wife and baku shop and return sumgait even ran into rel bu station and talk lot peopl had gather not store didn happen and fellow come azerbaijani gui and you stand for home immedi ask matter can you overturn car and kill armenian help catch cab and home safe sat home for two dai that time gang bandit into courtyard neighbor wouldn build had stick and piec armatur hand shout you couldn understand wasn voic two shout choru turn build floor and that break glass and throw thing window come entrywai pair jean hand anoth tape record and guitar auto part store had save ourselv midnight march hide school microdistrict two armenian famili altogeth had ernest had move sumgait kirovabad azerbaijani guard school didn want for had plead and talk into told that that dai attack microdistrict upstair classroom second floor citi radio station announc telephon number that us summon assist commun import call and secretari sumgait citi parti committe answer ask for assist school evacu wait send voic secretari had plant had spoken person call muslimzad two hour call heard shout school look window and peopl armenian come you club ax and armatur shaft hand guard sat and ask your life you you and that armenian and that left that and armenian back door that and point hand and shout and nois mob set direct had point assist had promis come send real soldier had posit that muslimzad that had enter school knew that case stai school morn and soldier sort aid morn rel microdistrict and soldier club club jam peopl and lot peopl ahead space small boi month di arm wasn singl doctor noth boi uninjur wound bruis ill gave mouth mouth resuscit circumst unabl save and mother and father young armenian coupl floor search for spot for small child want find room put famili floor lot soldier bandag cane limp head broken open terribl sight young gui lot bandag armenian had beaten cry wail and call for that citi parti committe complet true snack bar sausag kopek kopek packag cooki that cost kopek sold for bottl soft drink cost rubl thing cheaper met uncl aram mikhailovich and tear well ey life had told that friendli peopl that work togeth had azerbaijani hous and and noth cri you can understand feel april yerevan refer sumgait tragedi pogrom armenian soviet azerbaijan volum eyewit account edit samuel shahmuradian forward yelena bonner publish aristid caratza page david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia not learn lesson center for region studi anatolia and forgotten box punish inflict cambridg late turkish presid turgut ozal
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talk.politics.mideast	isra press andi beyer claim that isra press bit bias fact that event shape polit mideast that peopl not read isra press simpli noth event not even mention read isra press learn import event you noth your total relianc western media for your inform israel sinc read american media and isra media can absolut certainti that reliesx exclus american press for knowledg israel not true pictur claim that isra paper bias lean left media america report event peopl noth choos form opinion israel and mideast base knowledg averag american reli exclus american media not report event mideast consist accuraci
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talk.politics.mideast	isra terror ana omran write earlier post high rank isra offic kill clash whith hama and fantasi begin mujahid terrorist isra chase and kill young mujahid anti tank missil terrorist zionist cut mujahid bodi into small piec extend that bodi not recogn leat ten hous destroi atni tank missil ana omran thi fantast stori ana curiou your sourc for thi grossli exagger account not blatant lie surpris that thi stori not made front page major newspap love make state israel evil humanli such stori eaten paper explain never heard not expect repli stori your dream michael zion magil ibm canada laboratori
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror articl usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu ana omran write neutral human right organ report situat peopl us isra not deep isra us arrest and sometim kill neutral report thi anoth kind terror commit jew palestin not fair and neutral coverag situat palestin list name neutral report that kill interest note that outbreak intifada palestinian parti quickli began orchestr demonstr for benefit media spoken danish report cover initfada case found that mass demonstr outskirt gaza setup for and colleagu ask whether footag shot repli affirm happen thi case idf began close sensit troubl spot report ana omran shai gudai stealth bomber softwar engin think machin corp wing ninja ski cambridg
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talk.politics.mideast	israel not kill report ana omran claim that isra us arrest and kill neutral report assert ana omran total fabric onc truth iin ana omran can document such sad and despic event assum that anoth piec anti israel bullshit post famili not teach children truth omran care retract thi error glad retract accus that liar can document such claim glad apolog for call liar fail show liar retract your accus that liar omran retract verbal diarrohea doesn that prove liar retract pointless give thi gui opportun save face utter such bullshit encourag that your style impress mark mike mik emik emi opinion express and not that mikem kem big blue ik ik mike
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talk.politics.mideast	isra press cleveland freenet edu mark ira kaufman write for your inform israel sinc read american media and isra media can absolut certainti that reliesx exclus american press for knowledg israel not true pictur you never read arab media read arab isra jer post and thi network and western american french and british report and can that give israel and arab bia scale you can switch polar isra newspap will american lead newspap and new rang that isra isra montreal suburban local free newspap closer kahan view isra wing newspap british rang neutral french that iknow rang afro french magazin arab offici media rang egyptian not want overdo and stir peopl israel and sinc noth claim that isra paper bias lean left media america report event peopl noth choos form opinion israel and mideast base knowledg averag american reli exclus american media not report event mideast consist accuraci averag bia you read that averag american not read read york time and similar new maker and read rel bias newspap you not
talk.politics.mideast	israel expans virginia edu andi beyer write waldo cybernet cse fau edu write virginia edu andi beyer write never holocaust holocaust not ignor holocaust and nazi germani peopl includ you sign argument merit state qualif area you nazi germani show you don shut simpl that don suffer jew wwii justifi crime commit isra govern attempt call civil liberterian anti semet not appreci jew suffer wwii not belov perish tortur suffer second name call direct you not civil libertarian gener your name drop fanci sound polit term anoth attempt cite qualif order obfusc your glare unprepared for thi argument back minor junior human suffer emotion jew and suffer physic sad that peopl you blind emot that can fact for call name assur kind ignor peopl deal includ your letter sinc thought demonstr point write you will support you fact argument cover your inadequaci feign offens back your leagu son
talk.politics.mideast	clinton view jerusalem articl apr portho bellcor pyux bellcor feigenbaum benjamin write recent read that bill clinton campaign state that elect immedi recogn jerusalem israel capit articl clinton reaffirm thi win presid recent talk presid mubarak secretari state christoph state that statu jerusalem will final matter discuss parti don want start big discuss statu jerusalem want can authent clinton statement date place etc thi result back peac process hamid you ben
talk.politics.mideast	hama death nstramer superga dazixco ingr naftali stramer write hama death transcript recruit and train videotap made last summer qassam battalion militari oppos israel wai death bomber and artilleri lebanes town and villag fire arm and lethal variant tear ga and rubber coat bullet stone thrower tank and anti tank missil home minut evacu warn shin bit reason physic pressur interrog and not count past practic such bombard beirut bomb egyptian school bahr bakar and abu bal factori down libyan airlin full egyptian passeng time overse maronit massacr sabra and shatilla that numer massacr irgun and gang british mandat period iron page nyt time naftali copi thi articl run anoth articl rosenthal blame bosnian muslim for genocid effect that stupid seek independ independ will bring your peopl slaughter expect rosenthal never wast chanc bash arab muslim alaa zeineldin
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl bcf new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write articl apr ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem write articl bce new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write you suggest that guerilla us popul for cover israel total back easiest attack anoth us innoc shield and hope that respect innoc live tim guerilla wrong assum that civilian for cover assum come brad anywher thi discuss doesn bring element never address comment made comment wrong that civilian us cover and that isra and guerilla will injur parti continu fight pardon tim not can for idf fail detect presenc respons for plant bomb kill idf troop and exact number and whereabout villag shell idf possibl that guerrilla each target villag you arbitrari act retali buffer zone prevent attack israel not work neccessari for isra gun pound lebanes villag not kill infiltr buffer zone you shell villag call retali get back get even doesn make sens shell villag show reckless disregard isra govern for live civilian agre you thought that israel bomb sorte and bomb polici stupid thoughtless inhuman and ineffect reason that israel passiv wait attack chose act reason that take fight enemi will stop attack previous israel spent decad sit passiv side border and act stop attack attack had enter isra territori didn work host arab state noth and stop attack side border israel number attack consider higher physic and psycholog impact civilian caught path problem tim that origin reason for invas palestinian attack israel not lebanes attack bit attack israel neighbor arab state can start hope for thi happen will occur arab state show that prepar respons and duti stop guerilla attack israel soil prove provid guarate israel accept word not past attitud toler anti israel guerilla resid israel not will accept word imho busi wast time come peac talk thi anoth select appli statement reason for thi drawn impass abab palestinian and isra that side will accept word your criteria stai negoti that precis palestinian recent pisga propos for interim period negoti and lead full autonomi demand condit that essenti defin autonomi not trust that israel will follow entir process and palestinian reach full autonomi you understand and accept thi viewpoint palestinian you israel view arab palestinian trust arab palestinian word sinc don reluct give tangibl asset land control area exchang for word for thi reason concern sort guarante will that arab will follow part agreement reach that statement appli side that neccessari separ legitim negoti and not for exampl countri abus human right decid whether will two state palestin legitim question facto state exist israel treat domain equit tim you ignor fact that palestinian lebanon disarm hezbollah remain independ militia hezbollah not attack israel time such idf burn sheikh mosavi wife and young son major armament allow peopl wage civil war remov weapon need cross border attack remain extent rocket attack continu and commando raid requir easili conceal weapon and refin disregard for human life that such attack continu afraid that you true that not justifi occupi your neighbor land israel resolv disput nativ palestinian peac such attack israel withdraw lebanon and stop assassin peopl and shell villag wouldn make lebanes mad that bat guano situat you call for exist and attack commonplac not true lebanes not attack israel strong lebanes govern free syrian and isra interfer that border adequ patrol palestinian heavi weapon siez past year and not signific threat onc exist tim don fall into trap treat lebanes and palestinian part group arab muslim time peopl support bomb palestinian camp retali for idf death hand lebanes resist shell lebanes villag retali for palestinian attack tim
talk.politics.mideast	hama death articl apr nntpd lkg dec alaa peewe unx dec alaa zeineldin write nstramer superga dazixco ingr naftali stramer write hama death transcript recruit and train videotap made last summer qassam battalion militari alaa zeineldin you brought separ question israel unjustifi polici and practic unclear your reaction practic and poloci reflect articl tim
talk.politics.mideast	holocaust memori museum costli and danger mistak arf genesi mc jack schmidl write articl boni boni jake boni boni jake livni write privat contribut feder land your hate monger articl devoid current and histor fact intellectu content and social toilet and unbias sourc nyt come thing israel time train seal respond recogn statement that privat fund tax exmpt otherword american taxpay put monei and finalyi feder land mitig offens thi alien monument dedic perpetu pitti and continu flow tax monei foreign entiti that feder land and tax monei us commer american hous homeless american donat tax deduct donat profit organ donat monei group restor streetcar and tax deduct don you contribut group help homeless you concern
talk.politics.mideast	final solut palestin turn drive jew into sea sick and tire thi drive jew into sea sentanc attribut islam movement and plo simpli can proven part plan suggest you chech palestinian nation coven not us exact word quot will agre that messag issu back home will find precis section you can research for hope realiz that yasser arafat renounc coven western media inform pnc offici and enequivoc exact intent thi issu concern coven stand bibl speak mainstream palestinian nation movement pro isra activist repeat parrot check authent sinc coin bnai brith staunch pro israel activist can confid that bnai brith not influenc opinion arab isra conflict mention research subject will lead reach similar conclus palestinian nation movement plo case not properli speak for peopl share view hama and islam jihad can arab media islam state that protect right inhabit koran law thi revers situat jew palestin control land and muslim inhabit situat neg situat presum thi situat jordanian occupi east jerusalem not jew worship holiest site judiasm thi exampl ranic law exercis not anoth suggest read for you into soc cultur arab newsgroup poster debat topic jew ran and remind you peopl debat devout muslim knowledg ran you will find that jew aren view posit ran put lightli you jew islam religion will treat islam state govern word ran situat jerusalem will return you commit crime human tortur blow home murder treat and war crimin polit thought movement show that freedom choic will jew live law leav destint choic that onc jew ran and freedom choic not option ranic law for muslim and women rememb gulf war you report women had right saudi arabia islam state for plo loss explain insid arafat mind noth break new palestinian brethren that coven null and void get assassin polit think fetch israel act true super power region islam movement weapon jew us establish state religion conclus ahm you librari and find palestinian nation coven and read carefulli redpath librari stock that exactli found research enjoi read and hope will hear back you mike mik emik emi opinion express and not that mikem kem big blue ik ik mike ibm corp toronto canada
talk.politics.mideast	desertif negev articl apr brown edu dzk brown edu danni keren write thi nonsens live negev for year and can for that beduin move harm contrari standard live climb sharpli live nice perman hous and car quit beduin student ben gurion univers good friendli relat and rest popul beduin met surpris read davidson poster danni keren nonsens danni you can refut proof you cite your experi you articl compar condit that you chang fact ahm
talk.politics.mideast	freedom articl apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer write jaa cunixa columbia edu write dear beyer never wise confus freedom speech freedom racism and violent deragatori unfortun that fail understand thi crucial distinct fact speach not offens protect freedom speach law useless speach that find question that protect religi blasphem inher racist civil discours and not scare tactic that can enlighten that perceiv ignor that idea freedom express you find offens perceiv truth and find offens your belief free exchang idea and insult case thi channel that can chang anoth er wai that jefferson that not afraid toler error long reason left combat forward offens post sysadmin aren curtail anyon freedom speech neo nazi movement make speech want not speech publish time that depend time analysi econom and somewhat extent newsworthi speech likewis sysadmin thi fellow system feel resourc us manner that not interest perhap embarass organ will act york time not conduit for idea poster free load pocket book post control purs string make decis fund spent not spent put poster jail bomb local build symbol hatr freedom speech equat access conduit inform market idea natur select process that weed credibl idea that import seth rosenth disclaim opinion not employ
talk.politics.mideast	holocaust memori museum costli and danger mistak articl nkk genesi mc arf genesi mc jack schmidl write time train seal respond recogn statement that privat fund tax exmpt otherword american taxpay put monei dammit arfarf latest excret escap kill file chang site sigh assum person thi planet will us login name arf arf mike van pelt mvp netcom local prohibit cannot block advanc militari and commerci technolog democrat movement for local restraint can restrain world democraci not world eric drexler
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror ana anu ana omran write earlier post ana high rank isra offic kill clash whith hama ana mujahid terrorist isra chase and kill young mujahid ana anti tank missil terrorist zionist cut mujahid ana bodi into small piec extend that bodi not recogn ana leat ten hous destroi atni tank missil isra soldier kill hama mujahid anti tank missil almost that terrorist zionist not cut bodi desintegr missil stop pollut net you fantasi tsiel tsiel ohayon jcpl you not receiv thi mail employ not opinion two percent almost noth
talk.politics.mideast	exact million muslim extermin armenian zuma sera zuma serdar argic linden posit eng sun peter van der linden turk kill armenian jew kill german you even make armenian laugh analog jewish holocaust systemat extermin entir muslim popul independ republ armenia consist percent popul that republ memoir armenian armi offic particip and ey wit atroc publish titl men that refer abound typic mutlu pvdl ask happen respons that happen even grant that armenian cosar accus thi bear whether turk accus can understand thi stupid can understand human such moron such run amok compos such pointless messag not expect followup thi articl argic allevi puzzlement line list insult warren nysernet org
talk.politics.mideast	turkei cypru bosnia serbia greec armenia azeri articl apr iastat edu tankut iastat edu sabri atan write articl apr new uiowa edu mau herki uiowa edu mau napoleon write articl apr iastat edu tankut iastat edu sabri atan pano tamamidi you put turk bear respons thing happen todai that hard for object come conflict countri you cannot blame side bad gui side you anatolia you your heard turk thi and surpis that don read rememb treati sevr consequ axi power wwi turk intern law suppos minor greek armenian kurd turk kurd relat improv slightli time and not pose threat turkei neighbour turk blatantli reject thi treati german grudgingli accept versail million time wors for health and pride german peopl greek had armi british and french back enforc sevr possibl exampl appeas young turk govern manag screw treati laussan weak alli thi greek forc destroi smyrna thi occur incid french warship harbour and greek escap swam french warship and climb aboard arm cut french claw side ship liberta egalita fraternata coupl million greek live asia minor had protect not not that conflict start that not side aggress and ither suffer sad that not compromis rememb action turkish govern remov visa requir for greek come turkei thought posit attempt make relat compromis invas cypru invol turkei greek polit refus turkei accept mile territori water state intern law properti greek konstantinopl ownership island greek lake aegean thing can not compromis greek mention wouldn talk educ peopl never met bad person turkei polit not busi and not busi turk come individu hatr person support polici turkish gover directli indirecli bad person not your nation that make you bad your support action your gover that make you bad peopl not hate you you you you support polici turkish gover and such you pai price that make that kind brainwash greec educ person treat person nation can you your histori book and thing you learn greek turkish encount your school easi tankut atan tankut iastat edu achtung babi you not brainwash turn peopl turk talk greek arab slav kurd and peopl had luck turkish occup will talk you murder rape distruct you not learn turk histori book you learn peopl experienc hand turkish friendli napoleon napoleon your kind peopl prevent peac world you didn answer question ask end post and you told bullshit your post had posit point issu fill hatr and fill emot thi forget don you worth discuss issu tankut atan tankut iastat edu achtung babi
talk.politics.mideast	convent proposal israel palestinian fact that israel discuss palestinian composit arm palestinian polic forc territori will transit phase real solid concess and liber think part isra side chri metcalf
talk.politics.mideast	moment silenc for perpetr turkish genocid articl sdcc ucsd edu saj sdcc ucsd edu system oper write april approach and armenian world get readi rememb massacr famili member celebr joi cold blood genocid million muslim peopl your crimin grandpar and you that you cover genocid perpetr your fascist grandpar grandpar you never heard april soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul power tear veil illus that creat for ourselv sever artifici life support system imagin ethnic puriti that fals trust structur that can support heart beat thi alien land sahak melkonian preserv armenian puriti world war and ensu year armenian dictatorship premedit and systemat genocid complet centuri polici annihil turk and kurd savag murder million muslim and deport rest year homeland attempt genocid justli regard instanc genocid centuri act entir peopl thi event incontrovert proven historian govern and intern polit leader such ambassador mark bristol william langer ambassador layard jame barton stanford shaw arthur chester john dewei robert dunn papazian nalbandian ohanu appressian jorg blanco villalta gener nikolayef gener bolkovitinof gener prjevalski gener odiselidz meguerditch kazimir motayef twerdokhlebof gener hamelin rawlinson aveti aharonian stephan eshnani varandian gener bronsart arfa hamlin bogho nubar sarki atamian katchaznouni rachel bortnick halid edip mccarthi allen paul muratoff and hurewitz professor govern emeritu director middl east institut columbia univers bernard lewi cleveland dodg professor eastern histori princeton univers halil inalcik univers professor ottoman histori member american academi art scienc univers chicago peter golden professor histori rutger univers newark stanford shaw professor histori univers california lo angel thoma naff professor histori director middl east research institut univers pennsylvania ronald jen associ professor histori asian studi univers illinoi howard reed professor histori univers connecticut dankwart rustow distinguish univers professor polit scienc citi univers graduat school york john wood associ professor middl eastern histori univers chicago john masson smith professor histori univers california berkelei alan fisher professor histori michigan state univers avigdor levi professor histori brandei univers andrea bodrogligetti professor histori univers california lo angel kathleen burril associ professor turkish studi columbia univers roder davison professor histori georg washington univers walter denni professor histori univers massachusett caesar farah professor histori univers minnesota tom goodrich professor histori indiana univers pennsylvania tibor halasi kun professor emeritu turkish studi columbia univers justin mccarthi professor histori univers louisvil jon mandavil professor histori portland state univers oregon robert olson professor histori univers kentucki madelin zilfi professor histori univers maryland jame stewart robinson professor turkish studi univers michigan list and and serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
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talk.politics.mideast	armenian celebr genocid million muslim peopl articl sdcc ucsd edu saj sdcc ucsd edu system oper write painfulli wit azerbaijan happen thi joke month your fascist grandpar extermin million muslim peopl and your nazi parent fulli particip extermin european jewri wwii your crimin cousin slaughter muslim women children and elderli peopl fascist soviet armenia and karabag for last year entir popul soviet armenia result genocid million muslim peopl armenian for thousand year turkish and kurdish peopl live homeland last hundr oppress soviet and armenian occup persecut culmin armenian govern plan and carri genocid muslim subject million turk and kurd murder and remaind driven homeland thousand year turkish and kurdish land empti turk and kurd survivor found safe heaven turkiy todai soviet armenian govern reject turk and kurd return muslim land occupi soviet armenia todai soviet armenian govern cover genocid perpetr predecessor and accessori thi crime human soviet armenian govern pai for crime genocid muslim admit crime and make repar turk and kurd turk and kurd demand return land determin futur nation homeland anniversari come onc reiter uniti muslim peopl timeless turkish and kurdish demand and desir pursu struggl for that restitut struggl that unit turk and kurd todai appeal turkish and kurdish peopl unit state and canada particip mass commemor event cultur polit religi serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	todai mark anniversari turkish genocid articl sdcc ucsd edu saj sdcc ucsd edu system oper write painfulli wit azerbaijan happen thi joke month your fascist grandpar extermin million muslim peopl and your nazi parent fulli particip extermin european jewri wwii your crimin cousin slaughter muslim women children and elderli peopl fascist soviet armenia and karabag for last year entir popul soviet armenia result genocid million muslim peopl armenian for thousand year turkish and kurdish peopl live homeland last hundr oppress soviet and armenian occup persecut culmin armenian govern plan and carri genocid muslim subject million turk and kurd murder and remaind driven homeland thousand year turkish and kurdish land empti turk and kurd survivor found safe heaven turkiy todai soviet armenian govern reject turk and kurd return muslim land occupi soviet armenia todai soviet armenian govern cover genocid perpetr predecessor and accessori thi crime human soviet armenian govern pai for crime genocid muslim admit crime and make repar turk and kurd turk and kurd demand return land determin futur nation homeland anniversari come onc reiter uniti muslim peopl timeless turkish and kurdish demand and desir pursu struggl for that restitut struggl that unit turk and kurd todai appeal turkish and kurdish peopl unit state and canada particip mass commemor event cultur polit religi serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	armenian partner nazi practic articl vbnv blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write thi impli side equal true sometim difficult live altern univers numer articl major newspap london time and period newsweek war had suggest exist signific collabor armenian and nazi arthur derounian deserv credit for person deal thi issu extens derounian motiv twofold deepli held democrat convict gave sens duti and felt oblig shed light thi anoth dark chapter armenian histori concurr derounian embark call crisi control face save order forestal potenti attack larger armenian commun unit state margin collabor deplor insignific john roi carlson real name arthur derounian plotter dutton compani inc york sourc mitteilungsblatt berlin decemb and anoth histor fact fact that for year deliber forgotten conceal and wipe memori fact armenian nazi collabor magazin call mitteilungsblatt der deutsch armenischen gesselschaft clearest and definit proof thi collabor magazin publish berlin nazi rule germani and continu public end even name magazin impli declar armenian nazi cooper attent get thi magazin issu prove collabor histor import documentari evid heap write that admonit world opinion and mankind nazi germani armenian consid aryan race and polit econom and social right grant occupi posit public servic and partner nazi practic world await not consid aryan and befel wait sourc sardarapat sevr and lausann aveti aharonian armenian review vol autumn sep second paragraph your chief dro hamazasp and kulkhandanian ringlead band destroi tartar villag and stage massacr zangezour surmali etchmiadzin and zangibasar thi intoler and point file offici document tabl thi decemb report last month ruin tartar villag repres wardrop offici tartar communiqu speak destruct villag paragraph repeat thi massacr tartar stop and chief not remov your militari leadership can suppli you arm and ammunit arm band led dro hamazasp and kulkhandanian past month raid and destroi tartar villag region surmali etchmiadzin zangezour and zangibasar offici charg massacr serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	thi year turkish nation mourn and prai for refer note person diari russian gener odish liyetz turkish front wrote night march alon armenian butcher bayonet and ax death muslim area surround erzincan barbar threw victim into pit like dug sinist plan extinguish muslim group adjut count and unearth such pit thi act world civil march lieut colonel griyaznof wrote offici russian account turkish genocid road lead villag litter bayonet torso dismemb joint and carv organ muslim peasant ala women and children sourc doc azmi suslu russian view atroc commit armenian turk ankara universitesi ankara document archiv cabin drawer file section content act command erzurum and deveboynu region and command second erzurum artilleri regiment prison war lieuten colonel toverdodleyov thing heard and two month liber erzurum turk surpass alleg viciou degener characterist armenian russian occup erzurum armenian permit approach citi and environ command armi corp gener kaltiyin remain power troop includ armenian enlist men not area secur measur lift armenian began attack erzurum and surround attack plunder hous citi and villag and murder owner hous plunder wide commit soldier thi plunder commit armenian soldier had remain rear war dai pass street horseback group soldier includ armenian soldier began drag two men seventi year direct road cover mud and peopl drag two helpless turk mud and dirt understood that noth trick and trap turk join gendarmari chang mind and withdrew reason that turk night patrol not return and knew had happen turk had citi for labour began disappear final court martial had establish for trial murder and plunder began liquid for fear that punish incid murder and rape had decreas began occur frequent januari and februari lead turkish citizen haci bekir efendi erzurum kill night home command chief odiselidg gave order find murder dai command chief bitterli remind armenian intellectu that disobedi armenian enlist men had reach highest point that had insult and rob peopl and half turk citi had not return learnt detail thi incid command chief odishelidg follow kill organ doctor and employ and act kill commit sole armenian renegad hundr unarm and defenceless turk kill erzincan larg hole dug and defenceless turk slaughter anim hole murder turk thrown into hole armenian stood hole hole fill corps seventi dead bodi thi hole can ten ten turk cut into piec thrown into hole and hole full cover soil armenian respons for act murder frequent fill hous eighti turk and cut head erzincan massacr armenian began withdraw erzurum armenian renegad withdrew erzurum erzincan raid moslem villag road and destroi entir popul togeth villag transport cannon ammunit and carriag that war area peopl hire kurdish popul conduct hors carriag travel pass erzurum armenian advantag time russian soldier dwell and began kill kurd had hire russian soldier heard cri dy kurd attempt armenian threaten russian soldier vow that fate interven and prevent act terrifi act slaughter commit hatr and loath lieuten medivani russian armi describ incid that wit erzurum follow armenian had shot kurd kurd fell not die armenian attempt forc stick hand into mouth dy kurd sinc kurd had firmli close jaw agoni armenian fail attempt thi armenian rip open abdomen kurd disembowel and final kill stamp iron heel boot odishelidg told that turk not escap villag ilica kill head had cut ax told that had thousand murder children lieuten colonel gryaznov pass villag ilica week massacr told thousand dead bodi hack piec road armenian happen pass road curs and spat corps courtyard mosqu meter squar dead bodi pile height centimet corps men and women ag children and peopl women bodi had obviou mark rape genit girl fill gun powder educ armenian girl work telephon oper for armenian troop call lieuten colonel gryaznov courtyard mosqu and bitterli told proud armenian had lieuten colonel disgust amaz armenian girl start laugh and giggl horrifi lieuten colonel had sever reprimand girl for indec behaviour told girl that armenian includ women gener licenti even wildest anim and that indec and shame laughter obviou evid inhuman and barbar scene that appal even veteran soldier armenian girl final rememb sens shame and claim had laugh nervou armenian contractor alaca commun zone command narrat incid place februari armenian had nail turkish women wall had cut women heart and heart top head great massacr erzurum began februari enlist men artilleri divis caught and strip peopl peopl into bath satisfi lust peopl thi group save live result decis attempt armenian claim releas learnt that understood organ thi treacher act envoi armenian offic karagodaviev todai turk murder street februari armenian shot ten innoc moslem russian soldier attempt save peopl threaten death meanwhil imprison armenian for murder innoc turk armenian offic told armenian murder that hang for crime killer shout furious dare you hang armenian for kill turk erzurum armenian burn turkish market februari heard that entir popul tepekoi villag situat artilleri area had total annihil dai antranik enter erzurum report massacr and ask track perpetr thi horribl act result achiev villag inhabit had massacr natur silenc night februari armenian deceiv russian perpetr massacr and escap for fear turkish soldier understood that thi massacr had base method organ and plan circular popul had herd place and kill number murder commit that night reach thousand armenian brag detail massacr armenian fight turkish soldier number and cowardli that not even withstand turkish soldier consist hundr peopl and two cannon for night and ran lead armenian commun prevent thi massacr armenian intellectu had share idea renegad thi massacr lower class armenian commun obei order lead armenian figur and command not give impress that armenian intellectu accessori murder for peopl oppos armenian for such action sinc understood that yield result such peopl minor such peopl consid traitor armenian seemingli oppos armenian murder support massacr secretli hand prefer remain silent accus russian infami you russian you can never understand armenian armenian had conscienc commit massacr and flee fear turkish soldier serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror articl usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu ana omran write previou articl tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock articl apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer write sinc truth arab palestinian new outlet understand learn form propoganda reliabl anoth neutral human right organ report situat neutral organ report situat israel elderli and children victim stab hama activist neutral organ report that isra arab full civil right isra us arrest and sometim kill neutral report care name name thi anoth unsubstanti slander thi anoth kind terror commit jew palestin not fair and neutral coverag situat palestin terror you you had spine that allow you stand random attack civilian teror includ such thing shoot crippl and thow side boat happen jewish not allow peopl like stab and kill lawyer kill last week not teror adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	legal jewish purchas articl apr new columbia edu ayr cunixa columbia edu amir rosenblatt write articl apr bnr zbib bnr write shaft part arab land owner for notifi tenant farmer and for not respons make provis for leav fate landlord sell apart build vacant anoth landlord and fail notifi tenant find street sudden seller scoundrel and crook thi doesn make buyer thief isra call tpm interest that you acknowledg that palestinian shaft isra jew share your opinion you absolv purchas ethic commit wasn written don share thi opinion mine and agre and don fallahin caught circumst control that sinc didn land didn for sake greater arab uniti arab angri that land sold jew act that illeg jordan happen busi arab that live coast western palestin call israel shaft brother arab shaft for decad sinc arab bretheren arab call continu blame israel not for syrian landown sell western palestin israel even for occup eastern palestin jordan hashemit thi refus blame for action infra structur etc imho palestinian ground contest legal purchas world court your job elimin corpor takeov you court you lose jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	thi center for polici resea articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write that reader thi confer interest center for polict research will oblig trumpet name elia davidsson iceland citizen born palestin mother thrown germani belong undesir that time thi group defin jew forc palestin due cynic factor forc palestin dread unlik undesir jew wasn forc into ga chamber forc bulldoz thrown into river forc into medic experi rat forc march drop dead burn nothing crematorium your mother forc palestin you deepest sympathi meanwhil settl iceland year ago pleas hear your escap you won suffer fate that your mother and met peopl thrown homeland palestin your homeland palestin reason belong indesir assum that you refer jew kick home jerusalem jordanian occup east jerusalem peopl call thiev for claim hous that onc own and live and never sold peopl includ neighbor jerusalem children plai child crime theyar not jew never heard not jew crime israel such crime time and place jew crime not jew conscienc not accept such injustic period brain not accept your logic work for justic name principl opposit racism and racial discrimin protest such practic arab countri support long protest base principl posit not tactic deflect critic israel you written thi you accept critic arab world deflect critic israel case presum you longer support critic arab world struggl discrimin and racism univers tale discrimin center for polici research name gave activ undertaken guidanc domain and command support volunt iceland not formal institut and work minim fund care you start sound barfl profession music teacher and compos publish piec and piano music taught wide europ hope that discuss israel palestin conduct civil manner call name not help good don call arf center for polici research jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	holocaust memori museum costli and danger mistak articl wpad specialix jim specialix jim maurer write arf genesi mc jack schmidl write recogn statement that privat fund tax exmpt donat tax deduct donat profit organ donat monei group restor streetcar and tax deduct don you contribut group help homeless you concern contribut arf mortgag fund interest rate plumet paid problem couldn convinc congress move home nicer locat feder land btw even build alleg fund tax exempt privat fund maintain and oper cost will born taxpay forev guess that will come and thi point never mention
talk.politics.mideast	seventh centuri armenian math problem delight messag interest and kindli written prof kramer boston univers
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror articl bdad new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write articl amoss apr shuldig huji amoss shuldig huji amo shapira write cleveland freenet edu ana omran write you give detail event neutral observ kill purpos isra soldier understand justifi rational recent murder ian feinberg gaza hate simpl mind thi tim simpl dirti jew and good jew peopl mind dead jew that year propaganda that fail discrimin jew and zionist will that year statement append will someon mind make peopl sick drag polit discours point kill your oppon honor resolv disput can come such demagogeri peac adam arafat polit plural palestinian leader suggest end intifada expos bullet peopl and endang life plo will deal arafat kuwaiti new agenc arafat massacr tienamin squar behalf arab palestinian peopl leadership and thi opportun express extrem gratif that you restor normal order recent incid peopl china arafat telegram head chines communist parti yassir arafat humanitarian open fire jewish immigr soviet union ethiopia anywher disgrac not lift finger herd immigr settl territori want you shoot make differ live jaffa jericho give you explicit order open fire stop flow immigr yassir arafat muharar lebanes weekli april yassir arafat genocid arab set volcano will arab thi part world peopl will continu fuel torch revolut river blood occupi homeland liber yasser arafat adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	letter presid member congress newspap station todai mark anniversari armenian genocid million turk and kurd eastern anatolia and soviet armenia letter repres small portion full text page histor document scholarli sourc eyewit account and photograph presid bill clinton member congress editor program director and columnist major newspap journal and radio station for anniversari armenian genocid million muslim peopl april year peopl turkiy rememb dead griev for lost famili and lost home grandfath thi year turkish nation mourn and prai for fallen hero gave live gener and altruism that futur gener live that anoint soil turkish land happili and prosper letter year world war soviet armenian govern plan and perpetr genocid muslim peopl not live million muslim peopl method us empti turkish homeland inhabit thi dai turkish histor land remain occupi soviet armenia order cover fact usurp histor turkish homeland crux turkish polit demand fascist soviet armenia continu anti turkish polici wai soviet armenia deni histor fact turkish genocid order shift intern public opinion polit respons soviet armenia emploi asala sdpa arf terror and revision triangl attempt call into question verac turkish genocid soviet armenia implement state sponsor terror asala sdpa arf terror and revision triangl attempt silenc turkish peopl vehement demand and protest human financi and government resourc soviet armenia and tool unit state attempt silenc terror briberi and subvers method turkish support turkish polit government and humanitarian aforement method soviet armenian govern attempt neutral intern diplomat commun make turkish case contemporari issu despit effort soviet armenian govern and terrorist and revisionist organ last decad struggl closest systemat extermin armenian intern wall silenc thi issu begun collaps and number govern and organ becom support recognit turkish genocid full knowledg that struggl for turkish territori demand initi stage turkish and kurdish peopl will unflaggingli continu thi sacr struggl victim turkish genocid demand that soviet armenian govern heir armenian dictatorship recogn turkish genocid that soviet armenia return histor homeland turkish and kurdish peopl that soviet armenian govern make materi repar for heinou and unspeak crime victim turkish genocid that world govern and unit state offici recogn turkish genocid and turkish territori right and refus succumb armenian polit pressur that govern free friendli posit adopt unreli alli soviet armenia and offici recogn histor fact turkish genocid support pursuit turkish territori demand that soviet republ offici recogn histor fact turkish genocid and includ cold blood extermin million muslim peopl histori book awar turkish peopl necess solidar effort pursu turkish victim genocid centuri posit step gener risen equip deep sens commit polit matur and consciou determinedli pursu turkish mean rang polit and diplomat arm struggl victim turkish genocid call muslim unit state and canada particip vigor polit cultur and religi activ anniversari armenian genocid million muslim peopl serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
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talk.politics.mideast	final solut for gaza articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write gaza strip thi tini area land highest popul densiti world cut world for week isra occupi decid punish popul gaza peopl deni leav strip and seek work israel can repeat thi choic piec tripe check sourc not deserv believ gaza strip not possess highest popul densiti world fact isn even close exampl will serv illustr folli thi statement citi hong kong ten time popul gaza strip roughli compar land area center numer citi possess compar not higher popul densiti exampl includ manhattan island citi sao paolo ciudad mexico bombai rest davidsson messag closer truth thi oft repeat statement sad model decorum and tranquil becom sport battleground for rival ideolog slug glee tim rice chess eric perlman perlman qso colorado edu center for astrophys and space astronomi univers colorado boulder
talk.politics.mideast	israel expans organ aiken comput lab harvard univers keyword articl auvm american edu paul pimentel auvm american edu write isreal jeruseleum home muslim jewish religion israel jerusalem for reason includ fact that major citizen isra fact that israel maintain religi freedom for peopl and histor connect judaism jerusalem jerusalem devid jordanian invas ceas fire agreement includ individu visit religi shrine thi ceas fire agreement violat jordan not jew visit holi site control jordanian bulldoz synagog citi turn jewish cemetari into hotel and us graveston latrin israel allow individu religion into jerusalem protect holi site and demonstr fit control citi point that islam not center jerusalem holi site home islam mecca muslim make pilgramag hajj unlik isra jerusalem jew and christian not allow saudi mecca adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	israel expans articl apr mcgill musicb mcgill write articl apr donau tudelft avi duteinh tudelft avi cohen stuart write articl auvm american edu paul pimentel auvm american edu big differ israel and arab christian thi respect israel freedom religion avi for your inform islam permit freedom religion compuls religion judaism permit freedom religion jew recogn judaism wonder islam compuls tax dhimini judaism jew allow and effort made convert adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	seventh centuri armenian math problem articl innd flop engr orst edu koc rize ec orst edu cetin kaya koc respond articl apr urartu sdpa org dbd urartu sdpa org david davidian wrote problem father told stori famou war armenian and persian princ zaurak kamsarakan perform extraordinari heroic deed time singl month attack persian troop time struck half persian armi second time pursu persian slaughter fourth soldier time destroi eleventh persian armi persian aliv number two hundr eighti fled nakhichevan and thi remaind find persian soldier massacr koc answer good for you you win prize free trip karabakh azeri soldier calcul odd you come back popul area armenian koc corollari armenian strike slaughter destroi and massacr koc not innoc asala network claim fact didn notic mention turk shirak van trebizon thi seventh centuri stori fact place fill armenian fact end turkish genocid armenian armenian left shirak van trebizon turk and kurd fact pontu greek left aliv trebizon conclus number don lie case david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
talk.politics.mideast	final solut for gaza articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write peopl comment thi swill figur add comment gaza strip thi tini area land highest popul densiti world cut world for week hong kong and cairo higher popul densiti isra occupi decid punish popul gaza peopl deni leav strip and seek work israel fundament work anoth countri and close strip not punish secur measur stop peopl stab isra gazan isra jew dozen peopl humanitarian assist dozen minu sinc stab death dai ago adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	final solut palestin articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu ahmeda mcrcim mcgill edu ahm abu ab write articl apr angel brown edu brown edu harri mamayski write articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write final solut for gaza ghetto isra jew fete upris warsaw ghetto repress violent mean upris gaza ghetto and attempt starv gazan jew warsaw ghetto fight and famili nazi ga chamber group hama and islam jihad fight express purpos drive jew into sea perhap persuad jewish peopl wnder freedom fighter attain thi ultim goal freedom fighter will choos spare oper jew that you count elia piti murder you your mother jewish asham son mr davidsson harri turn drive jew into sea sick and tire thi drive jew into sea sentanc attribut islam movement and plo simpli can proven part plan thi discuss peopl thi net statement attribut hajj amin husseini grand mufti jerusalem and leader palestinian death squad war chief henchmen not coin nai rith for that matter jewish organ sad model decorum and tranquil becom sport battleground for rival ideolog slug glee tim rice chess eric perlman perlman qso colorado edu center for astrophys and space astronomi univers colorado boulder
talk.politics.mideast	symbiot idiot antisemit articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write center for polici research cpr zionism and holocaust haim bresheeth point note appropri histori holocaust zionist propaganda that zionism anti semit imposs zionism agre basic tenet anti semit that jew cannot live jew wrong zionism acknowledg fact that anti semit exist and prevent jew live peac that not mean agre that jew greedi that jew kill christian children commit deicid acknowledg that moron thing adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	hizbollah articl apr utxvm utexa edu ifaz utxvm utexa edu noam tractinski write paraphras bit rocket that hizbollah fire galile justifi israel hold secur zone noam want that agre noam thi point and hope that side stop target civilian basil
talk.politics.mideast	happi birthdai israel israel happi birthdai
talk.politics.mideast	final solut for gaza articl apr colorado edu perlman qso colorado edu eric perlman write articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write gaza strip thi tini area land highest popul densiti world cut world for week isra occupi decid punish popul gaza peopl deni leav strip and seek work israel can repeat thi choic piec tripe check sourc not deserv believ gaza strip not possess highest popul densiti world fact isn even close exampl will serv illustr folli thi statement citi hong kong ten time popul gaza strip roughli compar land area center numer citi possess compar not higher popul densiti exampl includ manhattan island citi sao paolo ciudad mexico bombai rest davidsson messag closer truth thi oft repeat statement elia initi statement hot air almost standard procedur throw absurb overst imag order add extra mean post real point second statement quit real essenti seal gaza resid possibl make live happen isra had legitim worri action isn that action draconian tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin
talk.politics.mideast	final solut palestin articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu ahmeda mcrcim mcgill edu ahm abu ab write articl apr angel brown edu brown edu harri mamayski write articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write final solut for gaza ghetto isra jew fete upris warsaw ghetto repress violent mean upris gaza ghetto and attempt starv gazan jew warsaw ghetto fight and famili nazi ga chamber group hama and islam jihad fight express purpos drive jew into sea perhap persuad jewish peopl wnder freedom fighter attain thi ultim goal freedom fighter will choos spare oper jew that you count elia piti murder you your mother jewish asham son mr davidsson harri turn drive jew into sea sick and tire thi drive jew into sea sentanc attribut islam movement and plo simpli can proven part plan pro isra activist repeat parrot check authent sinc coin bnai brith hama and islam jihad can arab media islam state that protect right inhabit koran law thi revers situat jew palestin control land and muslim inhabit commit crime human tortur blow home murder treat and war crimin polit thought movement show that freedom choic will jew live law leav destint choic for plo loss explain insid arafat mind polit think fetch israel act true super power region islam movement weapon jew us establish state religion ahm forget syntax ahm and focu semnat fact that plo not recogn israel exist thi perfectli obviou plo coven cairo coven call for destruct zionist entiti israel destruct claus exist document specifi purpos for exist plo you can post relev calus hama ideal radic post time and not copi that and happi repost phrase group hama and hezbollah and even newli moder and polit correct plo heart ideolog for destrcut israel that davidsson suggest that jew support peopl envolv organ not appeal jew harri
talk.politics.mideast	hizbollah articl apr yuma acn colost edu lanc colost edu write articl apr utxvm utexa edu ifaz utxvm utexa edu noam tractinski write paraphras bit rocket that hizbollah fire galile justifi israel hold secur zone noam want that agre noam thi point and hope that side stop target civilian basil absolut that civilian side pleas fighter militari guerilla argument find unpopul area and slug that point will breath sigh relief and cheer for side struggl tim clock graduat student uci tel depart polit and societi fax univers california irvin home tel irvin
talk.politics.mideast	sea sea river articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu ahmeda mcrcim mcgill edu ahm abu ab write sick and tire thi drive jew into sea sentanc attribut islam movement and plo simpli can proven part plan admit can find quot meager onlin resourc find thi gem arab set volcano will arab thi part world peopl will continu fuel torch revolut river blood occupi homeland liber yasser arafat ahm noth drive jew into sea bit ethnic cleans and river blood thi improv adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	isra press articl benali alcor benali alcor concordia ilyess bdira write you never read arab media don israel make point listen jtv new mont carlo radio unit state gener read nyt and occasion mainstream isra newpap read arab isra jer post and thi network and western american french and british report and can that give israel and arab bia scale you can switch polar isra newspap will american lead newspap and new rang that isra isra montreal suburban local free newspap closer kahan view isra wing newspap british rang neutral french that iknow rang afro french magazin arab offici media rang egyptian not want overdo and stir peopl israel and sinc noth you not take into account that longer repres mainstream israel purchas year ago and battl for control liber and left wing report walk owner state past onc that task gear explain and promot israel posit attack gov likud time paper that recommend read middl stream and factual aretz thi case two year ago averag bia you read that averag american not read read york time and similar new maker and read rel bias newspap and nat enquir read leftist newspap arriv conclus inform you receiv highli select and extrapol bad move shai gudai stealth bomber softwar engin think machin corp wing ninja ski cambridg
talk.politics.mideast	happi birthdai israel articl new cso uiuc edu eshneken cso uiuc edu edward shnekendorf write israel happi birthdai you and your neighbor peac even you
talk.politics.mideast	seventh centuri armenian math problem koc rize ec orst edu cetin kaya koc write problem father told stori famou war armenian and persian princ zaurak kamsarakan perform extraordinari heroic deed time singl month attack persian troop time struck half persian armi second time pursu persian slaughter fourth soldier time destroi eleventh persian armi persian aliv number two hundr eighti fled nakhichevan and thi remaind find persian soldier massacr answer corollari armenian strike slaughter destroi and massacr not innoc asala network claim hmm turk track death lose count million hovig
talk.politics.mideast	exact million muslim extermin armenian zuma sera zuma serdar argic linden posit eng sun peter van der linden turk kill armenian jew kill german you even make armenian laugh analog jewish holocaust systemat extermin entir muslim popul independ republ armenia consist percent popul that republ memoir armenian armi offic particip and ey wit atroc publish titl men that refer abound typic mutlu pvdl ask happen respons that happen even grant that armenian cosar accus thi bear whether turk accus can understand thi stupid can understand human such moron such run amok compos such pointless messag not expect followup thi articl argic allevi puzzlement line list insult thi articl suppli longbox and recycl word charact and idea warren nysernet org
talk.politics.mideast	final solut palestin articl apr barnei brown edu brown edu harri mamayski write articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu ahmeda mcrcim mcgill edu ahm abu ab write drive jew into sea sick and tire thi drive jew into sea sentanc attribut islam movement and plo simpli can proven part plan proven not can verifi reason doubt thi statement and statement matter public record six dai war nasser and arab leader broadcast statement arab radio you want check newspap ahm hama and islam jihad can arab media islam state that protect right inhabit koran law you hama coven written you impress conven origin arab translat that verifi arab speaker document rife call kill jew and spread islam and adam schwartz
talk.politics.mideast	rejoind question isra previou articl cpr igc apc org center for polici research todai final israel peac can declar consid legitim and secur border base for negoti fact mind cannot blame arab countri fear isra expansion number war prove yeah israel readi expand border holiest dai year yom kippur arab attack wait you chose omit that war perhap support exact opposit point you make don that war that hit israel hardest egypt not israel kick forc arab refus accept exist israel base border set unit nation egypt close red sea isra ship clear antagonist act and attack respons year constant shell terrorist organ golan height children murder time terrorist and israel final retali war that israel start that border expand steve internet freenet carleton fidonet mossad qube ocunix opinion not associ includ head
talk.politics.mideast	rejoind question isra previou articl cpr igc apc org center for polici research your answer question right return conflict told that hundr thousand jew left for reason area israel control war prevent return for sole reason not jew jew left for exampl europ avoid clash allow return can you justifi such discrimin thi true mere fact person leav area combat seek refug reason for strip live homeland you conveni ommit fact that arab govern told arab citizen israel leav israel join arab armi that felt assur victori occur arab return home reclaim want that belong jew arab lost israel left bunch peopl kill want back into countri citizen you kill jew israel see arab stai citizen loyal israel war and didn leav arab left avoid fight distinguish two imposs decis made base secutur countri you maintain that isra arab live isra kibbutzim and evid that arab work for kibbutzim even for year not accept member that kibbutzim not want arab kibbutz that visit employe had hire peopl for restaur hotel etc weren peopl kibbutz such case paid properli kibbutz turn arab never heard thi reflect membership comitte that kibbutz not kibbutz movement that religi commun ask gladli abolish civil marriag that peopl depend rabbi and priest offici marriag israel rule secular major your answer not satisfactori thi show ignor you isra polit major parti israel aren religi not total secular due format govern coalit religi parti had lot pull sinc need form major coalit fact heard present govern influenc religi parti exist israel israel cannot call secular state for instac haifa citi countri for arab citi buse run jewish sabbath exampl religion israel marriag israel not contol state rabbi and priest your disbelief thi fact shed light your ignor countri you claim steve internet freenet carleton fidonet mossad qube ocunix opinion not associ includ head
talk.politics.mideast	rejoind question isra center for polici research cpr subject rejoind question isra shaig subject ten question isra dear shai your answer question unsatisfactori answer question nonexist isra nation your answer conflict inform receiv quarter two distinct categori classifi isra citizenship ezrahut and nation us passport etc and for daili identif isra societi told that peopl israel carri card time and present public place almost dai card make clear holder jew arab you maintain that thi religi servic provid you that thi reason you provid evid that thi case and that serv purpos answer second question fact that israel fix border you state that israel border shape and reshap war and peac read zionist begin centuri had plan for jewish state extend into lebanon and into transjordan jordan read that express ben gurion not declar israel border israel establish thi restrict israel opportun for expans israel claim exist fact that jew live year ago that god promis land biblic sourc area god promis extend iraq and border biblic time israel consid proper us todai final israel peac can declar consid legitim and secur border base for negoti fact mind cannot blame arab countri fear isra expansion number war prove your answer question typic stalinist public offici don your answer honest you refer vanunu revel israel nuclear arsen evalu truthful revel truth punish and li punish honesti provid answer fourth question hidden prison isra prison post articl ariv document such case that such prison exist israel you that you impli that question show bia and formul such cast aspers israel such term us soviet union dissid call soviet union into disreput question not disturb not call such hyster answer question provoc meant seek fact happi you convinc that told israel fabric ala you fail suspect that you fear truth and open and honest discuss thi sign weak not strength hope you will muster courag seek full truth
talk.politics.mideast	rejoind question isra center for polici research cpr subject rejoind question isra dear josh fact that you sought answer question that not total happi your answer you not fulli answer question whether isra card identifi holder jew arab you impli that citizen identifi race that true mislead reader you democrat countri peopl ask reveal ethnic religi ident public offici request answer second question evas kind map issu not equival state polici you not respond question your answer question isra nuclear arsen interest you that isra stock nuclear weapon evid you for maintain that fourth question answer post ariv articl document such case not case vanunu knew and imprison even that and imprison for clarifi question legal statu inhabit occupi territori understand that two set law ar for occupi civil law and for occupi militari law law isra arab settl hebron doesn hebron arab settl israel your answer question right return conflict told that hundr thousand jew left for reason area israel control war prevent return for sole reason not jew jew left for exampl europ avoid clash allow return can you justifi such discrimin thi true mere fact person leav area combat seek refug reason for strip live homeland answer question rabin sign order for ethnic cleans that inform rabin sign order for expuls inhabit lydda and ramleh peopl expuls help massacr civilian and atroc remind bosnia refer book isra journalist benni goodman call origin palestinian refuge problem publish cambridg univers press thi book your librari you maintain that isra arab live isra kibbutzim and evid that arab work for kibbutzim even for year not accept member that kibbutzim not want arab question lack civil marriag israel whether true that isra legisl intend discourag intermarriag you not address thi question evad that entir religi establish that religi commun ask gladli abolish civil marriag that peopl depend rabbi and priest offici marriag israel rule secular major your answer not satisfactori glad input you comment elia
talk.politics.mideast	israel expans waldo cybernet cse fau edu write virginia edu andi beyer write waldo cybernet cse fau edu write virginia edu andi beyer write never holocaust holocaust not ignor holocaust and nazi germani peopl includ you sign argument merit state qualif area you nazi germani show you don shut simpl that don suffer jew wwii justifi crime commit isra govern attempt call civil liberterian anti semet not appreci jew suffer wwii not belov perish tortur suffer second name call direct you not civil libertarian gener your name drop fanci sound polit term anoth attempt cite qualif order obfusc your glare unprepared for thi argument back minor junior human suffer emotion jew and suffer physic sad that peopl you blind emot that can fact for call name assur kind ignor peopl deal includ your letter sinc thought demonstr point write you will support you fact argument cover your inadequaci feign offens back your leagu son never such immatur semitophil thi andi beyer charact show sign anti semit deviat norm accept opinion you attack not ventur answer andi question intellig and unoffend manner guilti not back viewpoint fact israelophil will start intellig convers you insult you race assum you semit comment isra terror and hirgun and branch milit group fight british palestin fail thi isra form terror terror practic arab jewish terrorist group kill innoc british soldier not thta kill jew favor compromis palestinian addit massacr entir palestinian villag contribut exodu frighten palestinian fear live mention thi not anti semit part jewish thi righteous part israelit piss not critic palestinian screw jew damn shame that palestinian had pai for german and european anti semit piss immatur closemind righteou semit
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror eshneken cso uiuc edu write virginia edu andi beyer write isra press tad bit bias report event doubt propaganda machin goer report accur happen germani interest that you base truth isra propaganda you isra report event israel propoganda washington post handl american event propoganda make isra press inher bias your opinion wouldn compar nazi propoganda you want provid evid isra inaccuraci parallel nazism suggest you your mouth shut sick and tire you anti semit compar israel nazi and opinion you compar israel nazi you anti semit you damn isn true and you discredit israel you you andi shouldn compar israel nazi isra wors nazi nazi lot good for germani and succeed weren for damn jew holocaust never happen ampl evid georg schafer harvard dept histori and even randolph higgin nyu shown that holocaust semit conspiraci creat obtain sympathi piush for creation israel
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror previou articl adam endor adam shostack articl bdad new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write articl amoss apr shuldig huji amoss shuldig huji amo shapira write cleveland freenet edu ana omran write you give detail event neutral observ kill purpos isra soldier case not remeb name israli shot and kill observ gaza half intifada that world pictur isra soldier break camera report kick report confisc cassett and show report militeri order prevent hot area pick pictur and make report
talk.politics.mideast	rejoind question isra realiz that principl not your strongest point not question thi sort arab countri you want continu thi tank charad your fixat israel stop you start ask sort question arab countri you realiz not work arab countri treatment jew last decad bad that your fixat israel begin bias attack that thi group recogn that your stupid center for polici research noth fanci name for bigot hate israel don you honest your hatr israel heard that your famili onc live israel member your famili not cut competit thi true your famili thi true you thi not israel person vendetta you not bit object israel you that name your phoni balonei center hide your bia clue davidsson haven you realiz that you post such stupid thi group you incur answer peopl arm truth haven you realiz that piec select data and piec not make truth haven you realiz that you your head peopl read thi group not stupid you hope thi not place for such pseudo analysi you will continu rip shred you start show regard for object you can continu show anti israel zealot you disguis your bia pompou name center for polici research you that you laugh stock your center consid joke and you make attempt object you will place honor clown bigot and idiot usenet
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror backon vm huji write articl usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu ana ana yahud need blood for matza passov last month josh you such hurri celebr pesach thi month xtian blood muslim blood hasn declar kosher pesach hechscher not manfredo tichauer email tichauer valpso hans opitzstrass voic hamburg germani fax
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talk.politics.mideast	final solut for gaza articl bdc new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write isra had legitim worri action isn that action draconian altern you suggest safeguard live isra citizen adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	israel expans virginia edu andi beyer write not ignor holocaust and nazi germani peopl includ you you belong ignor usa don holocaust shoa real word you write messag apr virginia edu date sat apr gmt isra press tad bit bias report event doubt propaganda machin goer and inform you your gross mistak you write messag apr virginia edu date sun apr gmt correct that goerbel and not goer airforc ran nazi propaganda machin joseph goebbel and you dare that you nazi germani peopl includ you learn histori nazi germani and austria your famili resent ignor statement that call peopl name disagre your posit oppos atroc commit isra govern qualifi anti semit you name call valid form argument intellectu circl you make comparison israel polit and nazi german austrian polit show your degre ignor high intellect low human and antisemit averag respect dissagre long respect and discuss civil manner never that that critizis israel and polit antisemit antisemit vocabulari terminolog demagogi israel not perfect countri and politician commit error even corrupt politician countri carri huge burden care for safeti citizen and that not easi task countri that surround enemi expect that israel commit big error and wipe countri and jewish citizen call collabor arab that want live peac jewish neighbour map israel not perfect countri democraci middl east and countri world jew can refug case persecut countri live long histori taught that cannot reli jewish nation and govern le big social econom polit problem countri that pai for broken glass jew and minor countri don suffer jew wwii justifi crime commit isra govern attempt call civil liberterian anti semet not appreci thi outrag murder jew thousand surviv shoa anoth and rest live mourn for don you call civil libertarian never heard thing you civil libertarian denomin for antisemit civil libertarian come word thi group that can learn beyer and that civil libertarian antisemit that wrong and missus that word btw couldn care for andi beyer appreci manfredo tichauer email tichauer valpso hans opitzstrass voic hamburg germani fax
talk.politics.mideast	holocaust memori museum costli and danger mistak articl smith apr minerva harvard edu smith minerva harvard edu steven smith write dgannon techbook techbook dan gannon write holocaust memori museum costli and danger mistak theodor keef holocaust revision theodor keef editor institut for histor review educ harvard univers harvard alumni directori keef fail graduat you decid for educ anywher steven smith educ prerequisit for employ ihr true that ihr stand for institut hyster review curiou mind hap omnia extar
talk.politics.mideast	rejoind question isra articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write center for polici research cpr subject rejoind question isra shaig subject ten question isra dear shai answer question nonexist isra nation your answer conflict inform receiv quarter two distinct categori classifi isra citizenship ezrahut and nation us passport etc and for daili identif isra societi told that peopl israel carri card time and present public place almost dai card make clear holder jew arab you maintain that thi religi servic provid you that thi reason you provid evid that thi case and that serv purpos number point you make assumpt manner card us true law resid citizen and tourist carri form identif for citizen standard card purpos thi serv daili basi present public place for purpos identifi bearer thi take place bank cash check post offic regist mail and such etc quit frankli rare that had present card for such activ onc per week law requir that forc peopl wave card public servic outlin discrimin bearer manner access thi inform case that can field into account interact polic base scenario gener arab citizen recogniz arab your argument becom moot you can provid exampl thi field us discrimin offici answer second question fact that israel fix border you state that israel border shape and reshap war and peac read zionist begin centuri had plan for jewish state extend into lebanon and into transjordan jordan read that express ben gurion not declar israel border israel establish thi restrict israel opportun for expans israel claim exist fact that jew live year ago that god promis land biblic sourc area god promis extend iraq and border biblic time israel consid proper us todai final israel peac can declar consid legitim and secur border base for negoti fact mind cannot blame arab countri fear isra expansion number war prove issu your assert that arab countri that noth fear isra expansion militarili israel not capabl hold larg tract land occup hostil arm and insurg popul for sustain period time intifada heavili tax isra economi proof thi can isra withdraw lebanon isra troop pull back awali and litani order control minim strip need town rang katyusha missil fire public opinion israel turn settl intifada territori concess israel public suffer battl fatigu sort and gov awar regard border state not agre manner negoti held crux matter that make refrain state start posit arab parti call for total withdraw and return pre border israel state larg border negoti never israel state smaller border arab countri and forc even smaller border negoti that leav matter settl negoti and peac treati infinit realist and sensibl your answer question typic stalinist public offici don your answer honest you refer vanunu revel israel nuclear arsen evalu truthful revel truth punish and li punish honesti your statement typic simpl mind naiveti center for polici research whether not vanunu revel true bear fact that for disclos state secret sign contract and form understand that secret not made public punish and weren moral oblig disclos that quit revers fact court and found guilti you issu number thing you understand concept secret state democrat govt provid answer fourth question hidden prison isra prison post articl ariv document such case that such prison exist israel you that notic that document fact that such prison exist document fact that exist clu note you evid not pai attent that such report case you countri mill tightli knit israel even matter arrest not made public rel short time frame peopl feel that matter arrest made public court order issu allow delai hour thi grant judg convinc that announc irrepar harm ongo investig you impli that question show bia and formul such cast aspers israel such term us soviet union dissid call soviet union into disreput question not disturb not call such hyster answer question provoc meant seek fact happi you convinc that told israel fabric ala you fail suspect that you fear truth and open and honest discuss thi sign weak not strength that your question slant such question term tabloid journal and not disturb avoid attempt object such question us mccarthi era basi for witch hunt that place us your exampl question lift format us stalinist prosecutor that for small bit evid that distort and portrai larger and dirtier pictur answer not hyster question problem not that provoc that select fact seek you fall into categori seek answer real answer sort suspect that long answer question not unequivoc you remain unsatifi and choos interpret you fit sign strength abil you remind mistaken environmentalist onc advoc cull wolv cruelti deer find that had broken food chain and wreak havoc environ sought protect color blind you exhibit true sign weak hope you will muster courag seek full truth ditto shai gudai stealth bomber softwar engin think machin corp wing ninja ski cambridg
talk.politics.mideast	wholesal extermin muslim popul armenian articl yjii blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write thi verifi inform for instanc person buggi product you reproduc bug your fear retribut that told public typic arromdian asala sdpa arf terror and revision triangl chang fact that period armenian govern order incit assist and particip genocid million muslim peopl race religion and nation origin armenian slaughter entir muslim popul van armenian slaughter muslim popul bitli armenian slaughter muslim popul erzurum armenian slaughter muslim popul diyarbakir armenian slaughter muslim popul mamuretulaziz armenian slaughter muslim popul siva armenian slaughter entir muslim popul soviet armenia mccarthi muslim and minor popul ottoman anatolia and end empir york univers press york karpat ottoman popul univers wisconsin press hovannisian armenia road independ univers california press berkelei and lo angel shaw armenian collabor invad russian armi histori ottoman empir and modern turkei volum reform revolut republ rise modern turkei london cambridg univers press gochnak armenian newspap publish unit state sourc adventur east rawlinson jonathan cape bedford squar london publish page memoir british offic wit armenian genocid million muslim peopl paragraph moslem villag plain below had search for arm armenian had cloak such search and not had moslem kill horribl tortur had inflict endeavour obtain inform valuabl had hidden armenian awar exist had unabl find paragraph arriv thi british brigad announc that kar provinc had allot suprem council alli armenian and that announc made british troop complet withdrawn and armenian occup commenc troubl for armenian onc commenc wholesal robberi and persecut muslem popul pretext that forcibl depriv arm portion provinc li plain carri purpos and manner thi will refer due serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	minor abus greec articl panix mpoli panix michael polymenako write zumabot claim opposit that greek not allow turk exit countri explain thi number turk thrace steadili risen greek goebel thought that lie repeat time final believ observ that poli practic goebel rule quit loyal poli audienc made greek not allow listen turkish new todai inform world greek propagandist can fool for instanc live will rememb new watch and newspap read and younger gener can read american newspap juli and august find happen turkiy greek hospit greek girl lyce alumni associ principo island greek benevol societi greek medic foundat principo greek orphanag foundat yovakimion greek girl lyce foundat and fener greek men lyce foundat for greec longstand us adject turkish titl and signboard prohibit greek court order closur turkish teacher associ komotini turkish youth associ and ksanti turkish associ ground that turk western thrace such commun associ had activ told remov word turkish build and offici paper and eventu close thi final verdict novemb greek high court citi komotini greek parliamentarian turkish parentag sentenc recent month imprison appeal for outloud that turkish descent thi duli elect ethnic turkish offici depriv polit right for period year each barbar act vehicl us greek govern cover inferior complex displai vi vi peopl turkiy agreement exchang minor term turk demonstr meant previou refer muslim fact that greek govern mention exist thousand turkish muslim not chang essenti realiti that live western thrace bigger turkish minor pomak muslim peopl nation bulgarian turk and greek part you muslim turkish minor organ agreement poor poli prove that turkish peopl trap greec and greek peopl free settl anywher world greek author deni even exist turkish minor pursu denial connect macedonian greec talk oppress addit democrat greek parliament pass law virtual take administr vakiflar and charit trust ceas support religi and cultur entiti talk fascism greek govern attempt appoint muftu irrespect will turkish minor state offici orthodox church full author similar matter greec muslim turkish minor will elect religi leader talk democraci govern greec recent destroi islam convent komotini such destruct reflect attitud muslim turkish cultur heritag violat lausann convent call greek constitut suppos guarante protect histor monument govern greec hand build church remot villag complementari step hellen region and you ponder sidiropoulo presid macedonian human right committe latest victim tactic long us greek silenc critic polici forc assimil macedonian minor forestri offici occup sidiropoulo intern exil island kefalonia hundr kilomet nativ florina employ florina citi council ask depart hour greek author punish for involv copenhagen return florina choic and remain job helsinki watch human right group had investig plight turkish minor greec august find publish report titl destroi ethnic ident turk greec report confirm gross violat human right turkish minor greek author for instanc greek govern recent destroi islam convent komotini such destruct reflect attitud muslim turkish cultur heritag violat lausann convent turkish cemeteri villag vafeika and pinarlik attack and tombston broken cemeteri karota raze bulldoz not peopl turkiy not human right lesson greek govern discuss human right violat greec not stop greek frontier articl dwell and expos greek treatment turk western thrace and aegean macedonian report that greek cypriot administr intens desir for arm and that greec made plan suppli tank and armor vehicl destroi accord agreement reach convent arm reduct europ meanwhil greek and greek cypriot offici report plan ostentati measur aim camouflag transfer tank and armor vehicl southern cypru process that will conflict spirit agreement convent arm reduct europ accept method found will kind violent behavior rang physic attack burn build rug amfia villag mosqu drag front build and burnt shot fire mosqu villag aryana wait greek atroc vilayet smyrna juli inedit document and evid english and french offic publish perman bureau turkish congress lausann lausann imprimeri petter giesser held carolin page train denizli smyrna stop ephesu and turkish travel men and women order descend and open street ey husband father and brother women distinct ag violat and travel massacr lieuten salih effendi nativ tripoli and captain name not and hellen author had safe conduct kill special atroci tortur battl wife lawyer enver bei come garden maltreat greek soldier even stript garment and servant assi violat two tax gather mustapha and ali effendi kill manner arm bound back wire and head batter and burst open blow butt end gun fire town eleven children six girl and boi flee flame stop greek soldier ramazan pacha quarter and thrown into burn jewish hous bridg burnt aliv thi fact confirm oath retir command hussein hussni effendi clock maker ahm effendi and son sadi arrest and drag shop son had ey put and kill court greek church ahm effendi heard market fire two unknown peopl wound bayonet bound togeth thrown into fire and burnt aliv greek kill jew name moussa malki shoemak kill bohor levi tailor kill bohor israel cobbler kill isaac calvo shoemak kill david aroguet kill moussa leross kill gioia katan kill meryem malki kill soultan gharib kill isaac sabah wound moch fahmi wound david sabah wound mois bensignor kill sarah bendi kill jacob jaff wound aslan halegna wound serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	nazi armenian servic german arab countri articl apr colorado edu perlman qso colorado edu eric perlman write thi discuss peopl thi net statement attribut hajj amin husseini grand mufti jerusalem and leader palestinian death squad war chief henchmen not forget nazi armenian nazi armenian servic german arab countri uzun put case receiv lot media coverag involv two nazi armenian agent drop syria italian war plane mission agent mingl armenian popul syria and acquir relev inform for german wehrmacht alli forc area nazi armenian help german propaganda effort arab countri design promot pro nazi sentiment french and british rule arab popul beirut had tradition strong hold nazi armenian and recent center intern armenian terror russia gener dro butcher architect turkish genocid wwi work close german secret servic enter war zone men and acquir import intellig soviet experi turkish genocid soviet armenia made invalu sourc for german meyer berkian ibid meyer berkian ibid patrick von zur muehlen ibid serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	million muslim perish butcheri hand armenian articl apr husc harvard edu verbit brauer harvard edu mikhail verbitski write jarmo perman resid killfil care specul thi rest net judg thi merit and million turk perish butcheri hand armenian genocid involv not kill innoc forcibl deport russian armenia persecut banish and slaughter ottoman armi engag world war genocid treati defin genocid act specif intent destroi substanti part nation ethnic racial religi group histori show that soviet armenian govern intend erad muslim popul million turk and kurd extermin armenian intern diplomat ottoman empir time includ ambassador bristol denounc soviet armenian govern polici massacr kurd turk and tartar blood thirsti leader soviet armenian govern time person involv extermin muslim turkish genocid museum turkiy honor di turkish massacr perpetr armenian eyewit account and histor document establish doubt that massacr muslim peopl war plan and premedit aim polici extermin turk soviet armenian territori muslim van bitli mu erzurum and erzincan district and wive and children mountain and kill massacr trabzon tercan yozgat and adana organ and perpetr blood thirsti leader soviet armenian govern princip organ slaughter innoc muslim dro antranik armen garo hamarosp daro pastirmadjian keri karakin haig pajis liantz and silikian sourc bristol paper gener correspond contain bristol bradlei letter septemb absolut hand inform that armenian caucasu attack tartar turkish villag that utterli defenseless and bombard villag artilleri and murder inhabit pillag villag and burn villag sourc ottoman state ministri war islam ahalinin ducar olduklari mezalim hakkinda vesaik mustenid malumat istanbul french version document relatif aux atrocit commis par le armenien sur popul musulman istanbul latin script turkozu osmanli sovyet belgeleriyl ermeni mezalimi ankara addit basar ermenilerden gorduklerimiz ankara and edit author ermenil hakkinda makalel derlemel ankara askeri tarih belgeleri vol decemb document number askeri tarih belgeleri vol decemb document number capabl fight begin excus forc labor road construct direct sarikami and annihil russian armi withdrew part remain peopl destroi armenian massacr and cruelti thrown into well lock hous and burn kill bayonet and sword place select butcher spot belli torn open lung pull and girl and women hang hair subject conceiv abomin act small part peopl spare abomin wors cruelti inquisit resembl live dead and suffer temporari insan dire poverti had live and fright experi had subject includ women and children such person discov not exce thousand hundr erzincan and thirti thousand erzurum field erzincan and erzurum until that peopl had and found destitut situat present time peopl subsist food obtain impel starvat russian storag left occup thi area serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	justic for victim armenian barbar and fascism articl licr ludwig edu theo licr ludwig edu write call istanbul even spell for you secondli turk ask for monei for destroi and confisc properti greec and yugoslavia bosnia and serbia classic call justic demand that soviet armenian govern admit respons for turkish and kurdish genocid render repar muslim peopl and return land right owner recognit genocid becom issu cannot delai and imper that artifici obstacl creat for polit manipul remov talk rent and vandal make fair greec pai back due and turkei pai for year rent and destruct classic architectur deal democraci action you truelov falselov arromdian asala sdpa arf terror and revision triangl turk had behav christian us forc convert islam nation brought power oppos todai eastern problem turk not obei word koran permit worship centuri frederick great pronounc famou dictum ag christian europ shed christian blood and peopl europ enjoi inflict inhuman tortur belief differ ottoman empir sole countri inquisit not exist death stake unheard and accus witchcraft not made and barbarian turkei countri jew persecut and chase christian find asylum fact demonstr that muslim countri provid spiritu live condit christian countri turk conquer nation not turkifi nation that rule respect religion and tradit stroke luck for romania live turkish rule russian austrian rule not romanian nation todai popescu ciocanel turk rule peopl administr extern interf intern structur account thi autonomi minor turkei and complet advanc european countri human be hate each account religi differ thi flaw older islam and christian never exampl thi adjur turkei turk never oppress account religion enmiti basi religion had such case simpl contempt not translat into action nation europ consid happi mortray turkei never scene for religi terror for cruelti inquisit contrari serv asylum for unfortun victim christian fanatic you into histori you will that fifteenth centuri thousand jew expel spain and portug found such good asylum turkei that descend live calmli approxim hundr year and forc defend countri cruelti christian that orthodox jew public easter celebr athen even todai turkei israelit insult greek and armenian commun local court immedi protect that vast and calm countri sultan religion and nation live togeth peacefulli mosqu superior church and synagogu not replac thi cathol sect free istanbul and smyrna compar pari and lyon addit fact that law turkei prohibit open air ceremoni thi sect law imprison cross church dead grave long line priest bear procession candl and chant cathol hymn priest church galata and beyoglu district into street and form cleric process eucharist celebr chant hymn and bear cross and religi banner detach soldier escort forc even turk stand respect group priest ubicini djevat yabancilara gore eski turkler istanbul ibid ibid ibid serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	and azeri survivor kill shot back head armenian atroc moscow azerbaijani forc saturdai retook villag seiz armenian and discov bodi execut civilian azerbaijani report azerbaijani fighter found bodi civilian includ child and two elderli women shot point blank and survivor kill shot back head ministri statement carri azerbaijani azerinform and turan new agenc and itar tass new servic armenian occup left ten corps civilian shot death point blank and mutil serdar argic close road and mountain pass that serv wai escap for turk and proceed work extermin ohanu appressian soviet armenia todai longer exist singl turkish soul sahak melkonian
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror articl rhnb usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu ana omran write previou articl adam endor adam shostack articl bdad new servic uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock write articl amoss apr shuldig huji amoss shuldig huji amo shapira write cleveland freenet edu ana omran write you give detail event neutral observ kill purpos isra soldier case not remeb name israli shot and kill observ gaza half intifada not exactli reminisc assassin count bernadott negoti isra war independ kill isra success negoti ceas fire work territori nascent israel compar continu war jim eggertj atc mit edu jim eggert
talk.politics.mideast	isra terror articl apr virginia edu virginia edu andi beyer write shame that austria daili report inhuman act commit isra soldier wasn that long ago that act isra soldier describ superhuman inhuman isra chang radic quickli report attitud chang and bless receiv govern make holocaust guilt jew treat race power jew powerless quit limit liber american jew forefront civil right movement jewish govern israel rescu jew rang skin color white russian brown yemenit black ethiopian andi jew treat race power unfortun your ignor and bia unfortun jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
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and thing you thi time destroi hous and shout young peopl weren older peopl and face unfamiliar sumgait small town and lot peopl face teacher drag father into room twist arm and didn drag unabl walk close door that room crack couldn happen father young man year start tear mamma sarafan and mamma shout azerbaijani your mother you struck held mamma identifi hope convict karina talk komsomol leader lead path influenc conscious told that wrong that mustn come straighten thi emot you want you you come you explain and had come into home back come and come you talk for you kill kill push karina struck and fell beat didn cry even tore cloth repeat you you and even mamma that that group prepar thi notic that broke furnitur and dealt rememb that beat tear cloth felt pain shame entir attent rivet karina watch beat and pain for and that felt pain carri karina beat savag amaz that not live didn lose mind beauti and destroi beauti beat face fist kick find mamma karina and room and didn feel pain didn feel matter beat matter creep that wasn room apart broke bed and desk and move into corner room suggest beast heaven dai weren afraid author true color time thought that fact behav that weren afraid happen carri karina and beat mamma face complet cover blood that start feel pain black time pain each moment that had ey open record film kind person natur veng mean and don deserv hold grudg long time intention pain and time come and anim top rememb and rememb for rest life even peopl forget you forget you live point rememb that stood and told and despit fact that hurt had beaten terribl found strength interfer tortur realiz that had resist kill bring suffer end push real hors rememb that held wait for seiz and balconi had long hair and stuck veranda shutter balconi open and realiz that plan throw window had pick hand air for last time deep breath and close ey and brace insid suddenli cold heart had sunk into feet and suddenli felt fly couldn figur fly imagin thought smash ground and 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kill sister threw ax kill and put end suffer strip cloth and carri into room brother knew await don edik igor room ax thrown ax hit peopl carri and kill and made death even excruci excruci death dai sumgait heard neighbor melkumian land name makhaddin famili had settl apart baku feel and need good person you prais god that you surviv ey man peopl die live life lost mind that dai had never like and never door apart open and brother threw ax had father and mother apart igor edik and ira remain ira nake carri into room hand six peopl told and never forget heard brother shout inarticul pain rage and fact that powerless gui hit ax live had unsuccess kill take marina and lyuda bedroom such state that couldn even rememb sister name want cry marina not look and knew that familiar dear face couldn for life rememb name and and save take turn had told that had visit and that and lyuda chanc that weren armenian lyuda russian you can and marina speak azerbaijani wonderfulli and told that azerbaijani and almost gave and doom glad that marina thi good physic health spirit murder point and igor igor agayev acquaint that mob live neighbor build for reason rememb name sens defens call russian igor turn and into bedroom take marina and lyuda bedroom igor knew marina and lyuda that marina fact azerbaijani and neighbor and idea stole that igor had led apart that friend suppos save strike hard indian vase metal hit back and black balconi second time throw window that dead didn react blow dead throw carri balconi for second time die second time heard azerbaijani don kill teacher can hear that voic ring ear can rememb voic wasn igor speak azerbaijani accent mother russian and speak russian home speak azerbaijani wors marina rememb carri and threw bed that person and open ey and recogn that person immedi pass cold had beaten that didn strength rememb rememb that thi person older and had high posit can rememb igor didn treat badli had heard lot that wasn that good person that sometim drank onc boast that had serv afghanistan knew that women braveri man man afghanistan wound eighti percent that will treat sympathet respect found that had serv ufa and injur that not afghanistan found that peopl apart karina secretari parti organ don last name name najaf armenian born azerbaijani karina wasn longer hundr percent that and didn want endang and beat that confus time thing and time investig haven summon khimik board hous live time brought groceri and flower thi march almost start cry upset condit don put not had told investig and summon procuraci that had baku wasn sumgait fact that chang testimoni lead that karina that fact apart don investig treat point wonder and ask and told that had alibi and not apart couldn baku and arrang alibi not rule that possibl ill return apart mamma had come you that bought gold father gave marri wed band and watch gold bought and husband live gave gold year boi vadim vorobyev russian boi speak azerbaijani perfectli orphan rais grandfath and live sumgait nizami street special school for mental handicap children thi teacher and matter minut can form opinion that boi not mental handicap healthi can fine and analyz policemen lucki and cun that home and tore pictur photo album beat mamma and demand gold ladi you give gold and monei your apart you live and mamma told gold brought bag and open shook content and apart jump start knock each and take gold anoth surpris didn kill anoth mamma control had beaten face black and blue blow and ey fill blood and ran into room father ly ti gag mouth and pillow face broken tabl top pil low mamma grab father and couldn walk half dead halfwai into world couldn comprehend couldn and cover black and blue mamma pull gag mouth sort cloth slipcov armchair bandit apart even room mamma pull father led carri had two armchair that room small magazin tabl couch televis and screen peopl stand that screen and into shirt pant imagin shove shot glass and cup coffe servic mamma corner ey 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gentli not coars alon boi not draft led room and floor and leav mat ter aren you men fight men you want and back upstair want come and realiz that couldn hold forev ask hide told neighbor fourth floor apart good term knock door and explain azerbaijani neighbor woman open door and immedi azerbaijani sit your place don open door thi won stai your place fine come cri bit and gave stock had numb and rack nervou shudder burst into tear even wear marina fur coat short half length cold ask you famili happen don afraid apart wild that don azerbaijani and armenian kuliyev left ten minut neighbor you lyuda don want lose life you son and wife stai butcheri apart scum sadist ear mouth had pearl ear and rip tear earlob ear nervou fix hair constantli and touch ear notic that had ear and gave ear led apart and didn heard upstair don assum tremend difficulti end apart want die home into apart and hear that come place floor had into bedroom marina and lyuda had hidden and that bed overturn hide squat broken christma ornament found unbroken and start sob that thing that push bed lai floor and broken ornament head and leg cut lai move heart beat hard town hear light that save burn match and end brought candl start pick cloth that worn father sport jacket and bedspread end head pull end and felt pull hair almost cri and realiz wasn get aliv and start strangl throat hand and press mouth not wheez that die and find afterward throw burn match bed and burn withstood insid held hand protect end knew that die didn knew that surviv walk that apart found that famili had di die for had never close death and couldn imagin you live your mother father your sister marina thought aliv lyuda place hide that igor wouldn kill serv afghanistan protect strangl good bye and thought marina surviv alon kill live six peopl room talk and smoke talk daughter that children footwear apart that for daughter anoth that like apart recent had good job fix and that live start argu come you children and room that 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inject readi start fill syring and turn give karina shot look face ill and man sixti hair grei and moustach hug karina and start cry you speak armenian you karina didn mamma and start cry man calm give you shot mamma tell don shot govern children kill peopl and you sit teacup stand tabl you sit drink tea daughter turn into gave drink heart medicin gave karina inject and doctor that had matern home immedi papa and urshan even papa bad shape help carri karina put stretcher medic don weren orderli matter you tone offici that wrap tighter half length coat had blanket orang aunt tanya fine uncl arkadi and sooth and told doctor you leav woman examin woman azerbaijani and wrong you wear sister lyuda nightshirt sister thi time yerevan nurs infant had cut big hole that easier breast feed babi tore night shirt and show shoulder and turn back huge wound size hand back indian vase and gave two shot that dress that that hospit put stretcher start for peopl carri rais head and want sit and thi woman don doctor nurs lie you mustn move ly back two policemen lead man profil familiar shout stop policemen turn and you want bring want brought and that person apart and rape and sister recogn note fine didn write and led don take put stretcher injur and beaten soldier sit for ambul driver bring car closer soldier start talk sister don rememb convers exactli ask live and ask you that ufa appar that brought ufa polic learn that suffer you armenian didn you russian kill for rememb balconi kuliyev for hammer and nail look window and two azerbaijani beat soldier kindergarten press fenc and cover head arm beat club cri mamma made skin crawl don aliv not and attack hous sheet cloth and dish fly fourth floor neighbor build didn azerbaijani attack armenian thought that fire throw didn fight burn passeng car yard neighbor that that armenian that realiz that thi that anti armenian karina and sumgait matern home mamma and beaten father and guilti voic fault that beaten and rib hurt creep broken rib 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happen and convers karina and spoke togeth privat and talk mamma father never present convers spare that you can that and investig come hous don speak father present februari clai karina and discharg hospit releas sinc martial law had declar citi soldier polic precinct armor personnel carrier peopl armenian victim met tovmasian famili learn that rafik and uncl grant had di that had di talk and raya rafik wife and grant daughter and mother cry offic floor into yard room hous recreat and read area women afraid thought that shoo polic precinct had becom danger that even peopl work precinct want hide women shout explain want hide you will attack polic precinct into hous chair tabl had children and hungri even had infant need diaper chang had aw for hour window room hous you that azerbaijani stand fenc polic precinct spy polic precinct surround wall fenc and electrifi stand wall mean electr shut thi brought great psycholog pressur bear hadn walk apart hadn slept for hour had suffer physic 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spoke heart cri and hug and load machin gun hand grandmoth you mustn approach guard peopl that hug woman even kiss machin gun thi terribl move for and small children want pet dog second floor and you can undress and sleep don afraid precinct guard and quiet citi thi kill block and place told that armenian gather club and citi parti committe ask stop matern home want karina didn happen told don worri matern home full soldier mother you can rest assur won rest assur staff capabl arriv citi parti committe turn that karina had brought had fit releas hospi tal decid that felt fine and longer care onc citi parti committe gave free reign tear met acquaint divid into two group hadn injur cloth had brought pot food and and raya wear had come even peopl made doll had come wed peopl shoe nake peopl hungri peopl cry and had lost and stori and talk fly heard that kill you mean kill stai work you happen thi and such plant talk that and met aleksandr mikhailovich gukasian teacher and respect highli for long time had small room studi room spent night talk that studi onc march heard that bagirov secretari communist parti azerbaijan ssr had arriv ran bagirov new had brought and thi view arriv and talk and thing tremend rage protect soldier and second floor and didn deign speak peopl appar had import thing hour pass gukasian call and lyudochka find anoth two make list ask for upstair list dead whereabout unknown and list peopl had pogrom apart and car burn had peopl list call and lyuda your mamma arriv for you doesn that you aliv and and that you gave list and ask continu and list imprecis includ grant adamian raya tovmasian father aliv time thought dead engel grigorian father and aunt cherkez and maria list includ name girlfriend and neighbor zhanna agabekian gui that had told that chop head courtyard front kosmo movi theater put list and cri turn that that rumor that fact hour earlier had left sumgait for marina and had set sail for krasnovodsk god aliv and that addit di that list contain peopl rumor miss badli wound that for dead list bagirov don rememb dead contain list fact that gukasian coupl minut curs and terribl irat ask lyuda can you imagin anim scoundrel that lost list dead piotr demichev member politburo central committe communist parti ussr arriv and suppos submit list that scope slaughter tragedi whether fifti told that list had disappear and hadn left for khimik board hous peopl second list that number that into press and televis and radio that list that demichev rememb exactli that peopl list had even told aleksandr mikhailovich that that half that list lyuda rememb couldn rememb dead that govern and procuraci don count peopl di fright sick peopl and peopl live threaten shock weren regist victim sumgait tragedi and peopl didn peopl left sumgait march and left for smaller town russia and northern caucasu stavropol and krasnodarsk territori don inform that peopl set for part moscow period krestyanka woman farmer call for peopl milk cow and for mechan 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talk.politics.mideast	final solut for gaza dear folk await for sensibl answer and comment fact that inhabit gaza not entitl normal civliz life habe occup israel sinc civil and polit right fact that gazan live countri palestin gaza not foriegn countri telaviv jaffa askalon beersheba foreign countri for gazan place occupi palestinian concern and common sens fact that zionist deni gazan equal right isra citizen and determin themsevl govern zionist will begin gazan human be deserv right will hope for peac not mention that gaza foreign countri and israel entitl close border gaza thi case gaza entitl reciproc and deni isra civilian and militari personnel enter area relat not symmetr that master and slave label foreign countri inaccur and mislead close peopl strip deni mean subsist and mean defend collect punish and crime justifi legal reflect abyss isra societi degrad heap foul langaug explain israel deni gazan born and brought jaffa return and live allow convert judaism live town depdend religion ethnic origin give honest answer elia
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talk.politics.mideast	final solut for gaza articl igc apc org cpr igc apc org center for polici research write gaza strip thi tini area land highest popul densiti world cut world for week anoth cpr fact isra occupi decid punish popul gaza peopl deni leav strip and seek work israel free leav and seek work egypt that egyptian don want and you blame gazan establish state gaza palestin polish jew risk live save jew ghetto isra jew risk life gazan resist gazan isra jew dozen peopl humanitarian assist such jew risk life gazan arab hack death palestinean murder last week that risk primarili arab thi true for telephon repairmen trader seek bui agricultur product gazan isra soldier involv fight feud palestinean group that determin destroi each destroi outsid gazan popul resist occup recogn intern law and person sens justic popul deni basic human right entitl rise tormentor wanna you thi usa you happen isra regim gazan unworthi isra citizenship and equal right israel consid worthi dirti work isra hotel shop and field gazan born town and villag locat israel not live for area reserv for master race that not read thi post elia davidsson iceland jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	symbiot zionism antisemit articl igc apc org cpr igc apc org center for polici research write point note appropri histori holocaust zionist propaganda that zionism anti semit imposs zionism agre basic tenet anti semit that jew cannot live jew that zionist decid that zion gentil rein didn you mean that earli zionist grant citizenship jewish state christian and muslim peopl elia that your point note wrong rest your post isn worth jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	gaza and separ israel articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write isra left inabl cope challeng present realiti becom obviou moment realiti not line expect left thi gulf war palestinian popular solidar iraq yossi sarid minist environ made infam statement you for not make effort speak you yossi sarid point view palestinian realiti gulf war not lengthi curfew danger hunger brought whether not palestinian accept accept parti similarli meretz deddi tzuker recent face critic resid west bank town beit sahour govern and parti lack action for human right and peac respond ask present discuss whether likud govern leftist perspect thi govern govern member isra left decid futur occupi territori will and want dictat palestinian start critic leftist for not leftist pretti clear idea normal hope that your not call fair and unbias elia jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	confess articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu ahmeda mcrcim mcgill edu ahm abu ab write articl new cso uiuc edu eshneken cso uiuc edu edward shnekendorf write cleveland freenet edu hamaza salah write previou articl friedenb sapphir egr msu edu gedaliah friedenberg for interest inform that binyamin netanyahu leader isra likud parti will interview cnn tonight larri king live didn thi gui cry zionist confess that commit adultari and cheat wife typic jew leader huh typic muslim arab leader hide fact that commit adulteri choos camel husband small male child whichev readili avail cleveland freenet edu ironi that jewish popul problem elect leader confess extra marrit affair thi you expect israel portrai great democraci requir leader previous had extra marit affair bill clinton help your wife steve
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talk.politics.mideast	israel expans apr nysernet org astein nysernet org alan stein write golan height secur problem and israel will part and give part rememb that golan height had part area that britain palestin mandat slate becom part jewish state britain trade franc for consider word histor accid that part syria palestin mandat had border border negoti and drawn golan list territori britian like palestin mandat mandat into exist defin boundari territori region you sourc for claim present
talk.politics.mideast	israel expans articl apr da harvard edu adam endor adam shostack write articl apr mcgill musicb mcgill write israel occup southern lebanon temporari israel repeatedli state that will leav lebanon lebanes govern can provid guarante that israel will not attack lebanes soil and syrian leav not accept syria and lebanon determin return situat prior french invas part mandat territori read coloni israel determin happen lebanon invad anoth countri you threat precis that almost war aggress start israel occup west bank gaza and golan temporari issu israel state repeatedli that will not give golan will give part syria part peac agreement territori expans forc israel annex area war area not occupi disput sinc legitam govern bodi citizenship resid annex area want citizenship defin occupi recognis such nation earth exclud small caribean island israel control part west bank imho part that westernmost mountain ridg arab town and suburb overlook citi tel aviv eastern mountain ridg abandond thi arab live and militarili relev israel maintain presenc jordan vallei adam think that peac continu occup and continu militari presenc that complet unsustain situat usa bankrupt and simpli cannot afford financ isra ecconomi monei for such occup for you support settler move into territori not temporari hear number reason for peopl move not move chose move into disput area note that sinc move made free will human be not settler will address two aspect your question govern encourag move and second move move part deliber polici prevent return occupi territori machiavelli describ reason princ clear intent creat constitu likud beleiv not depriv land stolen indigen popul pretext settler aquir land redefinit land us common public land assert that villag common villag depend for food belong invad simpli individu titl excus land us build condominium for alien brought occupi land for foreign power clear breach geneva convent stipul that land us occupi territori not chang amount justifi part likud and hard linner appologist will chang fact that major world govern and that power condemn thi practic govern had number reason for encourag peopl move across green line includ secur and polit reason secur larg jewish presens make difficult for terrorist infiltr jewish settlement act fortress time war theyu liabil talk civilian encamp that last hour tank second reason polit creat settlement brought arab negoti tabl had creation town and citi anoth year place left israel arab major land left that call arab don fool gulf war that brought isra negoti tabl onc backer had secur base gulf insrtruct shamir negoti creation settlement had longer usa cut monei suppli fact that hunder thousand jew place face peac settlement and restrict land can not can chose live arab state return israel communit creat religi built neighborhood area jew riot and commun thi hebron gaza and commun built religi site exist comun not give for anoth countri annex territori not bosnia not west bank point reason peopl move green line and reason govern want statu negoti for disput territori will not noth deal boundari will drawn negoti not result war boundari drawn will peac araffat preciou author agre real issu not land treati trade treati sinc palestinian will remain heavili depend israel indefinit thi that will guarantor peac anoth factor will return land confisc isra state israel and dismantl shadow structur discrimin jew nominali secular state ironi that return for guarante that palestinian state descrimin law order protect remain settler isra state forc inot posit thi will mean outlaw discrimin such that prevent arab bui land phill hallam baker
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talk.politics.mideast	new you miss apr new you miss apr not you busi israelist media spike intrepid isra soldier isra soldier sexual taunt arab women occupi gaza strip week long closur that seal palestinian jewish state palestinian sourc sundai incid occur town khan youni and involv soldier golani brigad centr hous hous raid for palestinian activist closur impos strip and occupi west bank dai ago girl khansaa secondari group nake soldier taunt yell come and kiss girl fled soldier threw empti bottl saturdai group soldier open shirt and pull pant girl khansaa walk home school parent keep daughter home girl school dai soldier harass two pass schoolgirl youth escap boi secondari school deputi princip srur abu jamea shout abus languag girl back wall and put arm teacher hamdan abu hajra interven soldier kick and beat butt rifl tuesdai troop stop car driven abdel azzim qdieh practis moslem and demand kiss femal passeng qdieh refus soldier hit and year passeng kiss stop beat fridai soldier enter home zamno abu ealyan blindfold and wife put music tape record and demand danc elderli coupl danc soldier slip coupl continu danc grandson and ask happen armi check report isra troop bar christian jerusalem isra troop prevent christian arab enter jerusalem thursdai celebr tradit mass last supper two arab priest greek orthodox church led worshipp prayer checkpoint separ occupi west bank jerusalem soldier told peopl armi issu permit enter brother celebr mass church holi sepulchr and hope join prayer father georg makhlouf ramallah parish israel seal occupi land two week ago spate palestinian attack jew closur cut arab west bank and gaza strip jerusalem econom spiritu and cultur centr father nicola akel christian not want suffer humili request permit reach holi site makhlouf closur discriminatori allow jew free movement part recent passov celebr restrict christian celebr yesterdai jew celebr passov interrupt cannot reach holiest site isra offic interrupt makhlouf speech demand ident card order crowd leav you revolt thi drop israel friend email and you compuserv compuserv clintonpz aol america onlin clinton campaign org mci mail arf you tire learn american foreign polici effect isra control media highli recommend check washington report free sampl copi call american educ trust arf you
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talk.politics.mideast	israel expans articl apr mcgill musicb mcgill write coupl question for pro isra lobbi israel occup southern lebanon temporari for stein work proof for you that israel divert water jordan river lebanes territori evidenc previou two stage withdraw area and reduct troop troop level consist light and armor patrol perman instal built area plan prodig water question you can continu wast your time for exist proof you can accept testimoni peopl lebanes acknowledg that evid for alleg israel occup west bank gaza and golan temporari for you support settler move into territori not temporari hear depend territori you refer gener settler move into territori time context situat logic move thi not that view don chang that mistak not made that disput territori that not temporari that eastern and northern jerusalem steve shai gudai stealth bomber softwar engin think machin corp wing ninja ski cambridg
talk.politics.mideast	israel expans usa bankrupt and simpli cannot afford financ isra ecconomi monei for such occup don fool gulf war that brought isra negoti tabl onc backer had secur base gulf insrtruct shamir negoti phill hallam baker you expos your ignor run debt for past gener and financ pleas and gulf war israel want not decim iraq scud attack encourag mean forc negoti baker address your point imposs nutshel hypocrit for you attack israel presenc lebanon attack syria syrian occup hostil and amount annex israel defens not defens you lebanon occupi and govern israel that not israel pete
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talk.politics.mideast	unconvent peac propos center for polici research cpr subject unconvent peac propos unconvent propos for peac middl east elia davidsson propos base assumpt fundament human right such life educ establish famili and children human digniti free movement free express etc import human exist that right state event conflict basic human right and right collect basic human right prevail collect defin jewish isra and palestinian arab label unresolv conflict exist thi conflict caus great suffer for million peopl poison relat commun peopl and nation each year unit state expend billion dollar econom and militari aid conflict parti attempt solv isra arab conflict tradit polit mean fail long conflict perceiv that two distinct ethnic religi commun peopl claim land peac solut love human be can capit for sake peac and justic peopl love share state assumpt will state propos fund establish disburs grant for each child born coupl partner isra jew and palestinian arab entitl for grant coupl will prove that partner possess entitl isra citizenship law return and partner born area current isreali control not entitl such citizenship law return for child grant will amount for second child for each child for each subsequ child grant will amount for each child fund financ varieti sourc shown interest promot peac solut isra arab conflict includ govern jewish and christian organ and great number govern and intern organ emerg consider number mix marriag israel palestin rel side divid make conflict lose ethnic and unsolubl core and strengthen emerg civil societi exist strong mix stock peopl integr isra societi into middl east grace manner object thi propos will voic will attempt identifi idea provid financi incent select form partnership and marriag not convent base concept affirm action recogn legitim form public polici revers pervers effect segreg and discrimin intern law permit affirm action aim reduc racial discrimin and segreg object that isra palestinian conflict not primarili religi ethnic conflict that conflict colonialist settler societi and indigen colon societi that can regain freedom arm struggl thi object base assumpt that enemi not zionism ideolog and practic isra jewish societi and member will defeat thi object merit not fulfil two assumpt primaci fundament human right collect right fundamentalist jew object us financi incent encourag mix marriag point view continu exist specif jewish peopl overrid consider human love peac human right presid world jewish congress edgar bronfman reflect thi view year ago interview gave der spiegel german magazin call increas assimil jew world calam compar effect holocaust thi object merit not fulfil two assumpt object that peopl israel palestin request such grant and that not serv purpos thi object respond that not determin certainti effect such propos exist such fund mix coupl resist pressur respect societi and encourag young coupl reject fundamentalist and racist attitud object that such fund great sum bring substanti demograph thi object merit rememb that huge sum billion expend each year unit state govern and organ maintain elus peac middl east armament mere fraction sum suffic launch propos and creat favor climat exist mix marriag israel palestin encourag emerg segreg societi that worn torn land thank for critic comment propos for dissemin thi propos for meaning discuss and enrich elia davidsson post box reykjavik iceland
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talk.politics.mideast	account anti armenian human violatin azerbaijan account anti armenian human violatin azerbaijan prelud current event nagorno karabakh six burn peopl and small corps burn child gruesom suffer tremend shock ten peopl doctor duti that number baku woman corps had part bodi hack part woman bodi terribl deposit roman aleksandrovich gambarian born senior engin sumgait automot transport product associ resid build apart microdistrict sumgait azerbaijan happen sumgait great tragedi aw tragedi for armenian peopl and for mankind genocid armenian place peacetim and great tragedi for person lost father dai young born that dai februari home had heard that unrest town younger brother aleksandr had told didn thought that happen outdoor that wouldn into peopl apart clock larg crowd kosmo movi theater microdistrict sit home watch televis balconi and crowd pour into mir street thi downtown airlin ticket offic hous nearbi that dai group policeman shield threw rock policemen move direct build burn motorcycl courtyard and start shout for armenian come build switch light turn signal opposit turn light that meant that azerbaijani home didn and thought that light come apart suddenli pound door door apart father mother younger brother aleksandr and born father veteran world war and had fought china and soviet east pilot door and start pound harder break ax start talk azerbaijani happen armenian don open door leav leav leav tomorrow leav armenian dog broken door lock and hing side hold can father and side and mother and brother had prepar ourselv had hammer and ax apart and grab find defend ourselv broke door and door gave held for anoth half hour neighbor polic and citi govern aid time held door start smash door lock side ax and crowbar door gave tore hing sasha hit ax ax flew hand had ax crowbar pipe and special rod made armatur shaft hit father head pressur mob immens retreat into room hit mother left part face brother sasha and fought back sasha quit strong and hot temper judo champion sumgait had hammer hand and injur bandit head and ey that injur fell back and place door fell angl mob remov door into second room and continu finish father brought skewer and gave sasha and flew father bleed face cover blood had wound head and face bloodi threw ourselv that threw ourselv mob and drove back hall drove floor land group bandit remain room smash furnitur close door start tear door chase remain finish man impos man azerbaijani come father fell and mother flew and start cry jump balconi and start call ambul mob start throw stone window veranda and kitchen live fourth floor and into room that thi man leader group respect dress hat and trench coat fur collar and address mother azerbaijani you woman you shout happen you shout that you mean happen you kill father musician plai clarinet plai wed armenian and azerbaijani plai for year knew mother person you kill plai thousand azerbaijani wed brought joi peopl and you kill that person you don shout stop shout and heard voic thi man peopl room open door and start run chase ran that man left told downstair told don fright told that had firearm even fought hammer and ax race father and start massag heart late ask neighbor call ambul ambul never wait for even and night midnight policemen inform khachma heard that group your place you condol told not touch and left father lai room stai home each hammer and knife sat home descend defend ourselv clock morn two peopl sumgait procuraci investig leav come back and will bring expert will record and photograph peopl republ procuraci help father morn and neighbor arriv want father call procuraci and polic coupl time call ambul and neighbor that bandit come place and hide secur door left father room and neighbor excess began morn bandit vehicl zil panel truck and threw vehicl land forc center town build locat crowd form start fight soldier build and that airlin ticket offic start break into armenian apart destroi properti and steal armenian weren home had manag flee and hide and pour direct build shout that armenian left fourth floor mean kill broke furnitur remain two room threw and burn larg fire hide floor heavi fell sasha threw door shout that father had thrown father defil corps throw fire burn heard and sound kind hollow and that furnitur mother and pounc sasha and stop and calm mob left clock smash open door and into apart neighbor across armenian had left for anoth citi father neighbor conceal and you crazi you hide armenian don you check apart kill you and and come leav thi apart floor neighbor man didn want son ask and relent stai eleven clock night heard sound motor neighbor that armor personnel carrier downstair light room left father room found chandeli had torn left bulb bulb burn signal had agre light burn apart microdistrict had pogrom soldier made citi parti committe and save salvat mother brother and mine pure accident found neighbor crowd shout that had firearm fought save mother couldn save father inflict injuri bandit place wound blood and scratch share miracl surviv save miracl and troop and troop hadn come sumgait slaughter even greater armenian victim genocid acquaint citi parti committe contact leadership militari unit that brought into citi and order assign special peopl accompani expert pick father corps morgu thi two clock morn march rain hard and quit cold and wear suit brother and carri father into morgu burn and disfigur corps six burn peopl and small corps burn child gruesom suffer tremend shock ten peopl doctor duti that number baku woman corps had part bodi hack part woman bodi terribl morgu guard land forc child that had kill ten twelv year imposs boi girl corps burn man men you couldn face disfigur such aw condit two and half month pass dai recal horror happen citi sumgait dai father and death father and fought and peopl sorrow and morgu want that year pass sinc soviet power establish and last minut not conceiv happen sumgait will histori surpris that mob wasn even afraid troop even fought soldier soldier wound mob threw fuel mixtur armor personnel carrier set fire weren afraid impun that attack troop clash februari airlin ticket offic across build and that mob fight soldier inhabit build azerbaijani threw rock soldier window balconi even cinder block and glass tank weren afraid impun neighbor and rob home airlin ticket offic call polic number and that rob armenian apart and burn home and told that knew that burn dai polic depart aid home even perhap come and save found mob free vodka and drug bu station rock distribut part town thrown and us fight arrang advanc even knew build and apart armenian live floor had list bandit you can that oper plan advanc troop countri leadership and leadership ministri defens for help russian peopl major troop russian and troop suffer loss want express thi gratitud name famili and name armenian and name sumgait armenian for come time and avert terribl thing wors happen that mob had not stop time present investig conduct part ussr procuraci want that bandit receiv severest punish don tragedi genocid happen that sever punish mete for such deed bandit and harden hooligan part unrest mass disturb mob huge present not caught judg newspap report peopl build alon that peopl part pogrom build receiv sever punish that that retribut await perform such act yerevan refer sumgait tragedi pogrom armenian soviet azerbaijan volum eyewit account edit samuel shahmuradian forward yelena bonner publish aristid caratza page david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troop center for region studi armenian border can box even explain cambridg turkish march
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talk.politics.mideast	armenia shoot turkish plane articl apr kpc henrik quayl kpc write articl apr rochest edu terziogl rochest edu esin terzioglu write cancellum clearifi turkish armenia not get itchi simpli let world that will longer sit quiet and turk famou trick armenian rememb turkish invas greek island cypress world simpli watch address netter name signatur fail sinc you not bother sign your post not polit thing avoid address ladi you secondli island name correctli spell cypru never greek home commun societi form greek and turk that you histori and demographi island you essenc turkei militari intervent intern agreement that analog act occup histori and todai azerbaijani land can drawn expansionist polici that armenia pursu agre that not for issu diagnos polit conduct countri and promulg such terminolog itchi bitchi onur yalcin
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talk.politics.mideast	armenia shoot turkish plane articl new iastat edu oyalcin iastat edu onur yalcin write articl apr kpc henrik quayl kpc write articl apr rochest edu terziogl rochest edu esin terzioglu write cancellum henrik clearifi turkish henrik armenia not get itchi simpli let world henrik that will longer sit quiet and turk henrik famou trick armenian rememb turkish invas henrik greek island cypress world simpli watch onur yalcin address netter name onur yalcin signatur fail sinc you onur yalcin not bother sign your post not onur yalcin polit thing avoid address ladi onur yalcin you fine accept opolog onur yalcin secondli island name correctli spell onur yalcin cypru never greek home onur yalcin commun societi form greek and turk that onur yalcin you histori and demographi onur yalcin island you essenc turkei onur yalcin militari intervent intern agreement commun societi not greec invad cypru onur yalcin that analog act occup onur yalcin histori and todai azerbaijani land can onur yalcin drawn expansionist polici that armenia pursu buch crap and you nagarno karabagh part armenia and stalin gave azeri back and review histori armenian nagarno karabagh simpli defend right homeland and azeri that invad teritori onur yalcin agre that not for issu diagnos onur yalcin polit conduct countri and promulg such onur yalcin terminolog itchi bitchi not that state hope that armenian will forc turkish airplan land for purpos search for arm similar that happen last summer turkei search american plane carri humanitarian aid bound armenia
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl apr ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem write that you find sourc new lebanon and propaganda you brad ali for warn danger propaganda funni come you priori black and white hat wonder idf can bombard villag retali pin point attack soldier lebanon and call lebanes terrorist that execut pin point attack isra gui white hat black hat you mean that civilian farmer teacher school children terrorist and that propaganda correct hmm jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid
talk.politics.mideast	flame and jewish home palestin articl hjbc boni boni jake boni boni jake livni write articl apr newshub ariel yorku nabil ariel yorku nabil gangi write exodu jew that march egypt thi number adult male total number jewish slave leav egypt larger number arriv holi land substanti ud harsh desert and kill jewish tribe nabil typic arab think guilti for you nabil jewish tribe not suscept fratricid murder that common arab middl east kill jewish tribe don thi comment typic think you state your interpret exodu read exodu can lot kill paint author bibl ideolog religi color histori desert can etho nomad peopl occupi land that great book descend arab turk and mongol can unifi jake jake livni jake boni boni ten year georg bush will american occupi york replac jimmi carter opinion employ opinion standard fail presid od maler lgi imag bat grenobl franc phone fax mail maler imag
talk.politics.mideast	isra expans lust articl apr new columbia edu ayr cunixa columbia edu amir rosenblatt write articl spam math adelaid edu jaskew spam math adelaid edu joseph askew write articl apr da harvard edu adam endor adam shostack write depend you defin war actual fight larg predat arab invas deir yassin happen midapril arab invas you defin war seig and constant attack villiag count act war that jew hope that you intend reason discuss you wait express opinion decid flame for for war not defin you attack villag decid start you count riot and violenc not war person that war oppos civil disturb requir organis plan and measur regualr semi regular forc perhap arab liber armi count easili convinc not great deal plan alon organis haganah and palmach that not for critic reflect great organis gener zionist camp thi isn war sinc arab attack you silli aren you case war not start invas arab armi you agre and previou poster wrong last week fatah launch katyusha rocket northern israel upris end and war begin not doubt you want opinion war requir organis group command and plan fatah lauch rocket southern lebanon and you you group not moslem that sound war stone throw not joseph askew joseph askew gauch and proud autumn still pleiad jaskew spam math adelaid edu remot thorni desert fell grief disclaim sue care north tent sky end somwher brenda pale river murmur
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl witsend session dc witsend tnet write clarifi your standard for rule engag understand isra time and circumst fair target oppon legitim target mirand such that thi make perfect sens you grant priori that isra black hat and that kill automat good thing hezbollah corollari that hezbollah white hat and that good thing and isra prove bad gui attack thi sound suspici hockei fan cheer player team stick perman rearrang oppon face and curs ref for penal side role revers session you note that cheer attack isra patrol insid lebanes territori condemn retaliatori shell lebanes villag isra and isra back forc team you plai fair oppos team rearrang face spectat team view stand speak that you find sourc new lebanon and propaganda priori black and white hat wonder idf can bombard villag retali pin point attack soldier lebanon and call lebanes terrorist brad hernlem hernlem chess ncsu edu
talk.politics.mideast	armenia shoot turkish plane henrik henrik quayl kpc write armenian nagarno karabagh simpli defend right homeland and azeri that invad territorium homeland nagarno karabagh armenian homeland todai fizuli lacin and villag azerbadjan homeland can you great armenia dream thi facist method kill rape and bomb villag last move blast truck kurdish refuge escap lacin citi that kurd armenian hope that armenian will forc turkish airplan land for purpos search for arm similar that happen last summer turkei search american plane carri humanitarian aid bound armenia don speak thing you don american cargo plane head armenia turkish author announc that search cargo plane plane return base germani plane search turkei content plane not hard guess not humanitarian aid search turkish plane you don you talk turkei govern announc that give weapon azerbadjan sinc armenia start attack azerbadjan not karabag provinc search plane for weapon sinc content announc weapon hilmi eren dept comput and system scienc stockholm univers sweden hilmi dsv
talk.politics.mideast	israel expans articl apr new columbia edu pgf cunixb columbia edu peter garfiel freeman write articl apr mcgill musicb mcgill write nice you answer question and nice that you feel that your heart give palestinian land you focu fact that israel annex thi land and kind gestur give back hope that state run palestinian establish decis make jerusalem part thi state annex steve steve isra stupid second palestinian state jordon you will your and isra come palestinian demonstr that govern and live peac jewish neighbor give idea jerusalem part state and you disappoint israel not annex west bank jeruselum will remain part israel forev yashir koach thi ben
talk.politics.mideast	ten question israel articl igc apc org cpr igc apc org center for polici research write center for polici research cpr subject ten question israel ten question isra thank you live israel provid accur answer specif question provoc question ask time and peopl live juli that input relev true that isra author don recogn isra nation and that card isra citizen carri time identifi peopl jew arab not isra two separ question isra author recogn isra nation for purpos passport consular servic etc card field nation subdivis ostens thi field provid for sevic provid religi depart gov thi not gener case true that state israel fix border and that isra govern todai refus state ultim border state israel onset israel border shape and reshap war and peac such isra gov felt that defin border step that meaning peac treati conlud neighbor plan for ultim border thi game ultim frisbe extend into countri true that isra stock nuclear weapon you provid evid vaanunu provid true that isra prison number individu secret and for ident date trial and imprison state secret that true virtu question subject unanswer claim valid claim oxymoron that deni you quit number question that show obviou bia question sort true that you enter your mother vagina base kernel truth phrase render repugn and cast aspers israel incident answer you born section shai gudai stealth bomber softwar engin think machin corp wing ninja ski cambridg
talk.politics.mideast	hezbollah articl apr unoc stssdxb unoc dorin baru write brad hernlem write you note that cheer attack isra patrol insid lebanes territori condemn retaliatori shell lebanes villag isra and isra back forc team you plai fair oppos team rearrang face spectat team view stand speak that you find sourc new lebanon and propaganda priori black and white hat wonder idf can bombard villag retali pin point attack soldier lebanon and call lebanes terrorist attack justifi not debat thi not issu issu that you cheer death dorin dorin critic post express thi accept regret that aspect post hope that occup will end and accompani loss life that stiff resist can achiev that end despit that point loss unaccept strategi drove troop lebanon brad hernlem hernlem chess ncsu edu
talk.politics.mideast	armenia shoot turkish plane articl apr kth hilmi dsv hilmi eren write henrik armenian nagarno karabagh simpli defend henrik right homeland and azeri that henrik invad homeland homeland nagarno karabagh armenian homeland todai fizuli lacin and villag azerbadjan homeland can you great armenia dream thi facist method kill rape and bomb villag last move blast truck kurdish refuge escap lacin citi that kurd armenian nagorno karabakh azerbaijan not armenia armenian live nagorno karabakh sinc armenian armenian us live area armenia and nagorno karabakh and thi area us invad nagorno karabakh armenian defend azeri dy polici attack armenian wrong thi polici recal correctli stalin caus thi problem land place not armenian henrik hope that armenian will forc turkish airplan henrik land for purpos search for arm similar henrik that happen last summer turkei search american plane henrik carri humanitarian aid bound armenia don speak thing you don cargo plane head armenia turkish author announc that search cargo plane plane return base germani plane search turkei content plane not hard guess not humanitarian aid stori you talk plane send aid into armenian for two year not guess plane your stori find search turkish plane you don you talk turkei govern announc that give weapon azerbadjan sinc armenia start attack azerbadjan not karabag provinc search plane for weapon sinc content announc weapon bad you want turkei start war armenia
talk.politics.mideast	armenia shoot turkish plane articl apr iastat edu oyalcin iastat edu onur yalcin write articl apr kpc henrik quayl kpc write articl new iastat edu oyalcin iastat edu onur yalcin henrik your ignor manifest awkward form intransig not spend time review you recent histori cypru good back your refer and read and you interest can provid you number refer issu send email for that you that stupid you for refer not greek friend that for info need read articl and not your boi gener relax you swing fist into open air agre you assum that your point that you not state you not us agre that easili relax henrik hope that armenian will forc turkish airplan henrik land for purpos search for arm similar henrik you don hope that armenia goint that henrik that happen last summer turkei search american plane henrik carri humanitarian aid bound armenia that french plane chang rout avoid inspect that plane that search american and turkei not trust that humanitarian aid cargo
talk.politics.mideast	new brief farzin apollo ntt farzin mokhtarian write kayhan havai malekzadeh minist health mention that popul growth rate iran end below noth statist signific rel small popul growth rate sampl period small end adequet suggest trend nois farzin mokhtarian mack
talk.politics.mideast	rememb name come elect time articl christopheru clarinet clarinew clarinet sid balman write washington upi secretari state warren christoph tuesdai idea stop human slaughter balkan order american fighter bomb serb frustrat senat told that not damn thing sen joseph biden del told christoph hear senat foreign relat committe prevent diplomaci not your capabl bosnia herzegovina biden chastis administr and republican predecessor for character limp respons serbian polici ethnic cleans muslim includ rape and shell civilian time come for and world stop bemoan fact that option bad biden bad and pick coupl biden endors lift intern arm embargo yugoslavia muslim domin bosnian govern chanc defend serb christoph thi give open role conflict radic islam govern iran biden endors bomb serbian heavi weapon besieg eastern town srebrenica not militari person will not you that todai you gave order heavi weaponri srebrenica biden you noth noth that you save hundr women and children absolut massacr militari action thing that chang equat biden despit frustrat and pressur christoph had enthusiasm for american combat aircraft strike serb posit bosnia herzegovina turn point bosnia situat christoph air strike step that complex tend interfer humanitarian endeavour option humanitarian feed and rape and kill polit conflict clinton vow presidenti campaign lift arm embargo and strike serbian heavi weapon combat aircraft christoph airstrik like increas level fight and alli draw back even pull humanitarian effort great britain and franc balk foreign militari intervent bosnia herzegovina for fear that peacekeep troop ground suffer serbian retribut don hell ar noth protect victim becasu agenda sen nanci kassebaum kan agre christoph assess and stress not build bosnian expect for heavi militari intervent import that expect aren rais high part beleagur bosnian air strike made differ month ago strateg signific that step question christoph kassebaum jeopard humanitarian relief effort that made bosnian real subject embargo last year that serb had unlimit suppli arm wre massacr chanc defend thi evil coldheart snake late save die
talk.politics.mideast	new you will miss apr arf genesi mc jack schmidl write articl qun ainnik aludra usc edu sgoldst aludra usc edu fogbound child write arf genesi mc jack schmidl write yigal sue adl you titl thi new you will miss front page stori time wouldn exactli call that media cover thi come surpris you american not read time thi monolith central control media that you talk you mean that time major paper buck media spike divis activ defam leagu class job damag control left world assumpt major newspap print articl front page subject matter that not strictli local thi like consid open stori and not coverup hear roll call area articl thi samuel mossad special agent media spike mind control divis lo angel offic evid incompet pratic safe signatur prevent danger signatur virii guildenstern name shout dawn messag summon moment begin miss
talk.politics.mideast	syria expans articl qhya dscomsa desi hallam zeu desi write articl apr da harvard edu adam endor adam shostack write articl apr mcgill musicb mcgill write israel occup southern lebanon temporari israel repeatedli state that will leav lebanon lebanes govern can provid guarante that israel will not attack lebanes soil and syrian leav not accept syria and lebanon determin return situat prior french invas part mandat territori read coloni and lebanon make thi decis syrian troop control countri syria leav and free elect place redicul claim that lebanes even involv determin happen countri israel determin happen lebanon invad anoth countri you threat precis that almost war aggress start expect you will agre that hold true for syria lebanon israel annex area war area not occupi disput sinc legitam govern bodi citizenship resid annex area want citizenship defin occupi recognis such nation earth exclud small caribean island thought zionism racism that fail make true reason secur larg jewish presens make difficult for terrorist infiltr jewish settlement act fortress time war theyu liabil talk civilian encamp that last hour tank last week tank and stop tank advanc last dai evid for claim that militari liabil evid show that infiltr place jordan river exist larg patrol kibutzim forc terrorist into small area pick morn second reason polit creat settlement brought arab negoti tabl had creation town and citi anoth year place left israel arab major land left that call arab don fool gulf war that brought isra negoti tabl onc backer had secur base gulf insrtruct shamir negoti nonsens israel neighbor negoti tabl for year gulf war that brought arab tabl not isra point reason peopl move green line and reason govern want statu negoti for disput territori will not noth deal boundari will drawn negoti not result war boundari drawn will peac araffat preciou author agre nonsens arafat israel destroi never come clean and deni that thi plan waffl mean arab set volcano will arab thi part world peopl will continu fuel torch revolut river blood occupi homeland liber yasser arafat adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	unconvent peac propos articl igc apc org center for polici research cpr igc apc org write idea provid financi incent select form partnership and marriag not convent base concept affirm action recogn legitim form public polici revers pervers effect segreg and discrimin peopl shown thi redicul propos want point that peopl not that affirm action intellig product demean supposedli help and discriminatori propos base like bunk adam adam shostack adam da harvard edu had budget big for drug and sexual favor wouldn wast member congress john perri barlow
talk.politics.mideast	spi articl sdck new cso uiuc edu eshneken cso uiuc edu edward shnekendorf write anwar cmu edu anwar moham write articl bimac bitnet ehrlich bimac bitnet gideon ehrlich write reader thi forum interest content file will nice yigal will american author yigal aren danger adl author view lot peopl danger includ million american arab ancestri perhap you can answer question adl maintain file and spi adc member california and friendli rivalri perhap come not arab sympathet palestinian war israel that adl monitor arab organ that reason monitor communist organ and soviet nation year ago adc organ arab american you that not arab american spi you that not arab american view nation secur threat israel and you gratuit impli your refer wtc bomb arab american involv infer can assum that you that arab lineag anywher world pose threat israel and spi perhap basi pollard spy case not mention rosenberg etc you that jewish american spi adc never mind thi spy case convolut your sens wrong matter that confus you perhap yigal greenpeac member naacp report member dozen polit organ ethnic minor occup that adl spi group past associ part anti israel activ propoganda adl simpli monitor that come won caught surpris time report had inform sold south african govern involv anti israel activ propaganda infer that simpl act report event newspap constitut anti israel activ propaganda south africa time report base south africa gideon ehrlich anwar anwar
talk.politics.misc	media horrifi perot investig bush visser convex lanc visser write can find sourc you state that you will retract your claim dig librari fair you not talk retract you produc you not talk top your head assum that you memori your sourc put condit claim that can substanti statement that rudman doesn perot investig you claim perot investig you will state that you error thi point provid produc sourc dig give reason troubl you won agre thi simpl you don time wast you blow tripe you post michael pye email mpye csupomona edu
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talk.politics.misc	bill conklin letter articl apr colorado edu ajteel dendrit colorado edu teel write main point human not born can bound contract wrong inherit debt parti can bound contract that not parti constitut for unit state such contract parti can bound human not specif mention articl and not oath made affirm uphold const can bound uphold obei constitut not contract statut teel show case constitut state constitut consid contract const design limit power govern not bind peopl design delin power govern thi argument will present great detail post can wait daniel reitman not write deed case involv construct convey grante jointli tenant common equal right and interest land and survivor thereof fee simpl and hold parti hereto equal jointli tenant common equal right and interest for period term live and survivor thereof death court held that survivorship provis intent creat joint tenanc germain delain ala
talk.politics.misc	traffic case articl apr colorado edu ajteel dendrit colorado edu teel write mcdonald case dismiss interest justic author you thi and ground dismiss daniel reitman not write deed case involv construct convey grante jointli tenant common equal right and interest land and survivor thereof fee simpl and hold parti hereto equal jointli tenant common equal right and interest for period term live and survivor thereof death court held that survivorship provis intent creat joint tenanc germain delain ala
talk.politics.misc	win tax case articl infoserv jamesdon infoserv jame donald write tax protest legal correct put jail sloan decis mean that tax protestor wrong weak govern legal posit shown fact that protest tax gun law legal ground get feder juri trial rare fed blatantli stack juri face turn time time demonstr rule procedur make thi teel mention that advic legal sound you follow you will wind jail for discuss purpos make legal unsound repres teel procedur approach find recommend plea bargain set hot water daniel reitman not write deed case involv construct convey grante jointli tenant common equal right and interest land and survivor thereof fee simpl and hold parti hereto equal jointli tenant common equal right and interest for period term live and survivor thereof death court held that survivorship provis intent creat joint tenanc germain delain ala
talk.politics.misc	demo nonsens talk and li articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write homosexu ly number for long that politician run scare homosexu ly surpris can you lie that for state that figur high low depend you talk mind that practic heterosexu that gai peopl chose road that avoid harass and want fit normal person thi irrat behavior call liar you cannot even start support such claim corrupt crimin and ly natur kinsei work justif for homosexu right modern era make peopl step back for moment and question rest crap that forc fed new media thi sound definit you label kinsei work thi that factual base and scientif journal wsj relat peopl mutual consent not thi interest statement you realiz thing you your life that not base mutual consent and that requir occas that parti not mutual consent thi
talk.politics.misc	evid articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl edu kane buast edu hot young star write articl cjkc mcwp netcom cjk netcom write homosexu privaci home thi wouldn problem cliqu that don want present argument that moral and heterosexu you offend newspap publicli announc wed heterosexu nutpial public ey ban wear wed ring legal recognit marriag that public and sexual don mix differ that and you wrong you minor that freedom help not obnoxi not surpris that group translat you minor stai predesign area major you wrong sinc make and major rule queer nation becom increasingli belliger public demonstr that violenc homosexu rise that remind crazi beat homosexu presenc aggrav thing crime prevent extrapol thi you didn displai your privat properti nasti theif wouldn and don carri monei that mugger won bother you and you don realiz that that homosexu danger children immor homosexu promiscu and fetish that character sexual predatori compon that glorifi pursuit candi ass and hairless cock word jojo typic homosexu not that jojo typic homosexu stop make statement you noth that gai peopl you make your sweep gener ground realiti hope not true that you typic heterosexu want comment thi and you typic can start extrapol lot interest conjectur heterosexu
talk.politics.misc	new you miss articl pprtvinnctl aludra usc edu sgoldst aludra usc edu fogbound child write arf genesi mc jack schmidl write articl apr rapnet sander lockhe babb scott babb write jack schmidl arf genesi mc wrote jac virginia edu jonathan cook jac write you restrict your condemn racial strife israel situat bosnia tibet china etc not merit your comment awar not close billion dollar not exagger notic you not offer altern number thi for size year american taxpay will israel dollar for star milki galaxi will you number
talk.politics.misc	win tax case dreitman oregon uoregon edu daniel reitman attornei write make legal unsound repres teel procedur approach find recommend plea bargain set hot water read case peopl thing teel suggest show that defend fall into two class win procedur ground ground not relat claim and lose newman schiff cir cite tax protestor teel win for schiff schiff offer call show and cite section intern revenu code that that individu file return newman newman had show rebroadcast morn schiff claim that offer extend peopl origin broadcast and offer for newman accept and unilater contract form and schiff not pai schiff correct and won schiff won claim reward win had noth tax code tim smith
talk.politics.misc	california insur commission endors feder legisl protect consum scam insur compani rick sjsumc sjsu edu richard warner write simpl insur commission bureaucrat regul duti make rule enforc law and make life difficult for actuari michael adam starowl rahul net champaign southeast thrush believ two parti system master and slave napoleon solo man
talk.politics.misc	sick and tire bill conklin letter articl apr mk richw mk rich wale write can you cite case joe schmoe regular employe earn regular wage regular compani refus pai incom tax get haul into court convict wil tax eva sion and convict overturn suprem court landmark major rule that incom tax total voluntari you such case exist hmmm not haven you note mix come close thi regular gui blue collar worker regular compani haul into court convict appeal circuit make argument cite teel exampl win shot zip circuit appeal suprem court and certiorari deni defend jail tim smith
talk.politics.misc	top ten reason not aid russian articl fnh cvo new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write tip hat david letterman for make top ten format popular top ten reason that conserv don want aid russia don want send aid russia conserv juli disclaim opinion belong cat and
talk.politics.misc	conserv thi apr rotag org kevin rotag org kevin darci write congress not allow abrog constitut right and privileg enjoi person abrog ration reason compel interest depend standard appli thi relev grant class person definit imping right anoth class class person degre case abort establish right for unborn imping greatli right pregnant women present suffici justif for such fetal right not your satisfact argument convinc and mob rule isn prettier mob call govern ain chariti you monei wilson theori rel you back relat mark wilson atlantaga ncr
talk.politics.misc	rodnei king trial civil right violat doubl jeopardi apr husc harvard edu spanagel husc harvard edu david spanagel write recent occur that never heard person feder court for violat civil right case suprem court decid that civil right had violat miranda escobedo etc institut facto defend not individu mistaken similar case individu past us time south prosecut murder black white juri had clear accuss specif charg lapd offic civil right law accus violat gener charg that specif mention doubl jeopardi concern that verdict koon overturn appeal for action thought heard new thi previous rule that sinc seper govern essenc seper sovereign doubl jeopardi not appli thi true defend citi and counti govern thi morn paper that aclu decid reinstat opposit thi kind thing had earlier suspend opposit examin king case hope for aclu mob rule isn prettier mob call govern ain chariti you monei wilson theori rel you back relat mark wilson atlantaga ncr
talk.politics.misc	tax evas not consid unpatriot apr hemlock crai rja mahogani crai ben dad write articl tauw mrz ncratl atlantaga ncr mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr mark wilson write articl pasrg if gov lip gov loren petrich write titl explanatori isaac asimov onc point that curiou fact you that consid unpatriot you not give you state you that consid unpatriot you not give your life battl for state patrioticli correct thought that kind system collaps soviet union pentagon stand and collect name for draft that not you meant point pai tax ceas patriot your monei your life import nice dodg give answer your question not that draft arm servic voluntari can you tax answer your question you answer mine mob rule isn prettier mob call govern ain chariti you monei wilson theori rel you back relat mark wilson atlantaga ncr
talk.politics.misc	win tax case you strang definit win that you titl thi thread win tax case sloan lost unanim decis that tore argument piec prison argument unit state sloan cir aff supp tax protest legal correct put jail weak govern legal posit shown fact that protest tax gun law legal ground get feder juri trial rare fed blatantli stack juri face turn time time teel mention that advic legal sound you follow you will wind jail jame donald joseph stalin idea power gun not enemi jamesdon infoserv gun idea
talk.politics.misc	suppli side econom polici david stockman articl ufk gqu wbke andrew cmu edu ashish andrew cmu edu ashish arora write excerpt netnew sci econ apr suppli side econom not boomer desir wrig deficit declin reach low gnp tax and spend hike revers trend brett thi true detail appreci cheer not brett post data previous declin rememb percent increas deficit growth rate growth deficit deriv total deficit respect time decreas brett appar numb into think that deficit declin you spend you earn deficit grow you borrow lesser rate you borrow previous deficit increas you decreas deficit your incom exce spend and you us differ pai debt figgi book paint real data pictori gori detail each presid essenti ran twice total debt half time reagan congress simpli aw bush congress unbeliev rigor thi thread pledg night night public channel economist gave hour present data predict and base larg popul data don name argument brilliant confirm data common sens boom noth govern polici suppli side polici sinc tax not econom activ peopl econom activ can explain watch popul wave roll year and creat cycl made model and predict for year into middl centuri will neat accur paul collacchi
talk.politics.misc	top ten reason not aid russian wasn tricki dick issu stern warn bush clinton not lose russia lost china
talk.politics.misc	price control for medic care govt articl slagl apr sgi msd lmsc lockhe slagl lmsc lockhe write articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write kim for hope that bring issu cost compens problem argument that fail explain kidnei dialysi servic expand massiv last decad forc privat provid offer thi servic lose monei treatment inform collect provid not not simpli limit loss cut back servic engag effect ration suppli expand coverag larger market that compens rais price area perhap competit advantag not reput and dedic physician prefer affili institut that offer dialysi servic not tend admit patient greater number institut that offer full rang diagnost and treatment option undoubtedli fact fact that hospit frequent compet for physician for patient that part complic and undermin simplist free market analysi market for medic care hospit tend lose monei sort high tech high price machineri manag make charg onc evid that thi true regard kidnei dialysi price control promot expans servic greater volum patient profit servic expect evid ration vast expans that occur rememb notion that you can lose each treatment make volum not good econom even free market you explain groceri store routin offer arrai product price below cost not groceri store embed rel free market can you spell loss leader knew you groceri store not attempt make loss individu product sell fact your argument that kidnei dialysi loss leader for medic treatment lost revenu can regain evid not support thi content appear that price control disciplin market forc expans servic and develop improv lower cost technolog provid compar benefit provid continu profit simpli make each treatment price had risen rate that uncontrol treatment question that had price control forc price substanti below actual cost that doomsdai predict free market advoc restrict servic lag technolog develop etc likewis appear that and arm forc medic care system provid govern agenc neg impact occur patient system spokan for exampl travel seattl mile for treatment bottom line that thi exampl govern intervent extrem sort that appear had benefici result for provid and consum claim that govern bureaucraci inevit lead undesir outcom marketplac such such case into account jsh mark steve hendrick domain steveh thor isc thing data cut uunet isc thor steveh bull hofferbert bell
talk.politics.misc	sick and tire bill conklin letter repli teel two nifti letter give concret proof that incom tax voluntari and give specif procedur for stop withhold cetera for humbug letter don provid concret proof absenc case law that demonstr method will actu alli work for ordinari peopl everydai situat specif show case law court rule that incom tax illeg and that ordinari work type not pai incom tax and that can legal avoid pai incom tax declar church such silli thi issu suffici import that expect squar point suprem court case feder tax state suprem court for state incom tax you can that for unwil call your materi concret proof refut date nai sayer final defeat hear reason for disbelief thi point refut refut you haven made case you post plenti claim you haven valid reason that court will agre you your claim surfac deviat radic legal mainstream that feel burden proof you show that your argument merit whatsoev and case you cite involv such strang situat that reason assum that rule applic that will ultim stand appeal suprem court can you cite case joe schmoe regular employe earn regular wage regular compani refus pai incom tax get haul into court convict wil tax eva sion and convict overturn suprem court landmark major rule that incom tax total voluntari you such case exist hmmm not haven you conclud that point receiv and opposit forfeit field due respect you can conclud you want hope for your sake that you don conclud that posit author unit state legitim illegitim polit ical subdivis thereof agre your conclus for that matter confess confus you for court rule your favor sinc thought you told earlier that court cahoot big bank interest sinc admiralti jurisdict coverup thing you honestli expect that troubl subvert system and promptli slink back into burrow face knew invok combin magic spell and mystic mumbo jumbo not that you even care court didn you back that you disavow attempt offici classifi you amend feder citizen fbi come haul you for tax evas don you jurisdict and back washington belong back mediaev common law you suggest statut code and you want renounc societi legal framework fine can declar you outlaw and see you drive road licens plate your car and driver licens your wallet can you game anim and stew you for supper plenti veggi and pinch salt prejudic ucc get late and sick and tire thi garbag good for clam and stop ing refut thi nonsens and fall for and wind jail for tax evas not head needless repres opinion current employ case canadian and doesn care tax law hand amend ment feder citizen passport prove and plan file form for forese futur will not ow incom tax due foreign earn incom exclus and foreign tax credit rich wale richw mk mortic kern system inc mk king waterloo ontario canada
talk.politics.misc	california insur commission endors feder legisl protect consum scam insur compani articl rlm apr helen surfcti rlm helen surfcti robert mcmillin rant left like dodg issu moral and behavior cry that rais blame victim nonetheless recent editori lo angel time point free love advoc demolish poor thing children wedlock you murphi brown turn six figur salari and quit anoth you sixteen skill and incom and free love advoc manag perform thi demolit forc breed program accept and even celebr singl wedlock parenthood radic espous free love set stage for catastroph poor account for thi thi straight nice long rant peopl person respons for econom and social live sudden radic such guess respons for poor peopl lifestyl that work you that poor peopl dumb for reason for disintegr famili and support system gener thi nation poor don murphi brown jani joplin top sane person list you want gener vaunt cultur revolut for last chang for wors call relev valu educ hei good idea time you need real educ mean that for grant ken perlow apr germin cci gadfli ihspc att audac toujour audac encor audac
talk.politics.misc	chrysler bailout articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu mconner magnu ac ohio state edu michael conner write plug thi conserv hate pee cee us work and proud owner station real question fed bail steve job chrysler that import manufactur job wouldn lost you remind tom paxton song chang name chrysler tom paxton price gold rise sight and dollar shape tonight dollar us won bui head lettu econom forecast isn amidst cloud spot shine rai caneven glimps and and devis plan action work last fraction and into action todai choru chang name chrysler washington will power broker for iacoca will perfectli accept chang name chrysler head for that great receiv line hand million grand stand hand sir mine creditor scream for dough proud can won scream and holler paid last dollar endless stream monei seam flow glad can matter simpl form two not renumer liber educ ain you kind glad that debt you choru sinc amphibian crawl slime struggl unrel climb and walk monei start talk and sad failur aw crime that for millennium two point view you corpor titan and your failur gigant congress safeti net for you choru perhap steven job paxton advic and chang name chrysler perhap set neil bush give hand akasac alfr cc carleton etern reward will forgiv for wast dawn morrison opinion express mine admit
talk.politics.misc	stop put white het male fhg mea ocsmd oc mark ocsmd oc mark wilson write yuri villanueva elmo cybernet cse fau edu wrote pbrai envi reed edu public account write articl apr galileo rochest edu uhura rochest edu tree schnopia write apr jato jpl nasa gov michael neuron jpl nasa gov michael rivero write told congresswoman barbara jordan that biolog incap compass person doubt kind can provid origin quot context sourc for ahem cross check will agre full natur can provid bit data paraphras list disregard and poster regard full will thought doubl check doubl check fact peopl vomit tabl net never time sleep pass buck person origin post that quot michael wild applaus drewcif andrew simchik schnopia uhura rochest edu treewat word weren made for coward happi rhode
talk.politics.misc	top ten reason not aid russian juli eddi jpl nasa gov juli kanga write articl fnh cvo new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write tip hat david letterman for make top ten format popular top ten reason that conserv don want aid russia don want send aid russia conserv juli disclaim opinion belong cat and nixon vocal give monei russia make proud libertarian appear conserv and liber prefer cold war you win nurs enemi back health for anoth subsid wealthi countri japan germani etc free defens and trade war econom competit subsid tobacco farmer pai bureaucrat pursuad peopl not smoke law pass prevent govern stupid frivil thing monei constitut suppos that legitim constitut power feder govern take monei paycheck and needi countri roger collin direct washington sow and reap want bread thoma jefferson
talk.politics.misc	reward ajteel dendrit colorado edu teel write you unit state citizen and resid state your citizenship and amend citizen you citizen state you live you resid you not peopl citizen state don live that state citizen state sinc live california
talk.politics.misc	motor voter kaldi romulu rutger edu theodor kaldi write enter grade eisenhow presid and john kennedi rel obscur senat england you and hope teddi that you will graduat grade clinton presid disclaim remialcsid
talk.politics.misc	not concentr child molest articl apr armori rstevew armori richard steven walz write articl exnet sy exnet xavier gallagh write articl obck unix portal drakon shell portal harri benjamin gibson write that bother thi arguement calmli explain homosexu such great sin give standard god sez almost judeo for your post enjoi reason homosexu sin jew struggl group peopl hard surviv and differenti and oppressor thi led thing worship god foe polytheist sex put moral context foe pervert and spill seed liber easi spill seed spread thin heterosexuali specif prohibit homosexu sinc answer back stone death doesn popul growth that foe pervert beg question kei word spill semen spill anywher chanc procreat spilt ground man big sin ditto anim jew sex pro creation homosexu didn breed fore evil and stone death sex direct breed jew number and foe surviv had into multipl stone death doesn popul sound set prejudic that exist and blown into religion emphas differ jewish cultur and enshrin pretti stone breed popul fine breeder consid worth jesu judaism origin prejud bullshit bui bullshit profound misogynist bitterli gai record marriag rsw ben gibson xavier richard steven walz rstevew deeptht armori xavier xavier gallagh plai cheap part time dark overlord xjg exnet world wide univers email feed mail advanc dungeon dragon
talk.politics.misc	clayton cramer fixat molest children articl ripbc cunyvm bitnet ripbc cunyvm bitnet write cramer optilink clayton cramer homosexu law pass california that make illeg discrimin person employ base sexual orient and not defin sexual orient pedophilia sexual orient cramer claim that pedophilia sexual orient chronicli homosexu condit thi argument that pedophilia sexual orient ped cannot call homosexu ped ped prefer sex child molest not prefer that subset basic ped natur cramer admit that ped and gai men orient admit that appar similar optic illus xavier xavier gallagh plai cheap part time dark overlord xjg exnet world wide univers email feed mail advanc dungeon dragon
talk.politics.misc	damn furrin kaldi romulu rutger edu write kaldi you worm rank balderdash america reput abroad becom tarnish feckless and pusillanim coward appar not requisit gonad stand for american honor and digniti translat damn liber american not and you not necessarili god and stick you can program perhap you move gave you author creat and enforc thi hazi thing call american thi democraci and don stick stick for choos rememb that ted civic class greelei that exactli problem canadian don stand for certitud nice gener you pipsqueak you mous you intrud don you courag your convict hell you even convict start kind exampl manli digniti thi sheesh come such crass exampl manli digniti feel hurt jon jac virginia edu
talk.politics.misc	tie abort health reform clinton nut articl new cso uiuc edu parker ehsn cen uiuc edu write peopl call cruel and unusu punish imprison isn cruel lethal inject pale comparison and death sentenc convict cruel and unusu crime not that matter you and and respons that matter lessen ourselv kill respons kill vengeanc that deterr serv purpos slake blood lust nice never convict crime didn commit and make death penalti justifi yeah yeah yeah and nice didn appli death penalti disproportion minor revisit opinion death penalti white for black hell freez silverio sgi ceej peopl caus troubl socialist and homosexu typic sort person oppos don treshman klansman leader pro life group rescu america bbc april
talk.politics.misc	prolif terrorist threat articl ihd wetwar drieux wetwar write articl pamhpinn geraldo utexa edu tait ccwf utexa edu write prepar instruct individu proper us and handl firearm desert storm vet six year nation guard great deal experi handl weapon and tactic train for discuss counter sniper oper secur drill your friend counter terrorist oper twit promis train tactic and weapon handl doubt will last long becom terrorist for sudden rise firearm accid fiend fetu
talk.politics.misc	top ten reason not aid russian fnh cvo new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write top ten reason that conserv don want aid russia edit that funni rememb that good humor danc uncomfort close truth can wait inevit flame paul barnett mpp develop convex comput corp richardson
talk.politics.misc	california insur commission endors feder legisl protect consum scam insur compani john vcd john eaton write nigel allen ndallen node hub org wrote press releas california depart insur california insur commission endors feder legisl protect consum scam insur compani dens thought that protect consum scam insur compani prime object call cal insur commiss aren accomplish that simpl insur commission bureaucrat regul duti make rule enforc law cannot make law law that cover specif subject scam insur compani regul cannot creat proper legisl bodi such law enact for california insur commission two legisl bodi california state legislatur and congress california state legislatur accomplish esp line insur reform legisl neg movement garamendi fed chanc get feder law and sinc scam compani work across state line nation border law that reach into jurisdict john eaton vcd john
talk.politics.misc	celebr liberti articl apr dsd bob waldrop fidonet org bob waldrop write thi and don answer that number libertarian fan vice versa number fan basebal fan don plan post red sox schedul jim mann stratu comput jmann vineland pub stratu
talk.politics.misc	clinton sister shalala last night heard bill clinton sister involv marijuana bust and new suppress heard con thi sourc not reliabl collag booklet advertis local band can net verifi thi provid detail surpris haven thi thi newsgroup happen charg that shalala regular pot smoker colleg thi ghastli accus report cnn streamlin new dai nomin never heard almost make want start act type campaign invad privaci closet smoker thi type public didn violat peopl right jake interdisciplinari studi lower level thought process jacob gallei gal midwai uchicago edu
talk.politics.misc	sexual proposit sexual harass articl pkkidinnsrj senat bedfellow mit edu wdstarr athena mit edu william decemb starr write articl mar pmafir inel gov cdm pmafir inel gov dale cook real world data point person stronger legal claim for harrass sexual make clear offend that behaviour unwant behaviour persist harrass easier demonstr due fact that offend knew that behaviour unwant argument origin queri regard question sexual proposit made person person consid sexual harass peopl assum that not exist power relationship and such that proposit carri strong implic extort word can that peopl wrong word harass mean irrit torment persist time fall definit persist addition basi assum behaviour unwant unlik illeg proposit origin question offer monei for sex inargu harrass activ illeg and presum unwant averag citizen issu thi viewpoint that prostitut victimless crime and liter million american particip sort victimless activ state defin crimin prostitut obscen gambl recreat drug mercenari sex person not spous state unnatur sex peopl marit statu exchang monei state etc that idea that activ presum unwant averag citizen illeg sort sophistri that judg indulg straight face speak law student read share judici opinion realiti not deni fact invert order make univers conform writer polit speak legalist viewpoint you true law order make sens manag make make assumpt assum that illeg activ unwant averag citizen reason preponder evid side proposition that reason belief that proposit number peopl particip victimless crime notwithstand fact reamin that law activ illeg presum that proposit simpli larg number peopl indulg type sophistri lawyer indulg straight face dale cook town church bar social problem edward abbei opinion mine not employ
talk.politics.misc	top ten reason not aid russian articl encor rcollin encor roger collin write juli eddi jpl nasa gov juli kanga write articl fnh cvo new udel edu robi chopin udel edu scott robi write tip hat david letterman for make top ten format popular top ten reason that conserv don want aid russia don want send aid russia conserv nixon vocal give monei russia make proud libertarian appear conserv and liber prefer cold war you win nurs enemi back health for anoth enemi sound that viewpoint stereotyp redneck conserv commi will suggest you listen carefulli stuff yeltsin and peopl and compar that anti west slogan come oppon russian congress want back btw germani come back terribl enemi wwii hasn subsid wealthi countri japan germani etc free defens and trade war econom competit subsid tobacco farmer pai bureaucrat pursuad peopl not smoke degener into civil war rememb nuclear weapon russia cannot imagin that not us civil war nationialist and even prevent civil war feel back larg part land that countri ukrain cannot imagin ukrain give land fight possibl nuclear thi affect planet and vast track europ blown feel massiv breakup countri that span planet bound affect humanitarian argument that democraci democraci struggl democraci law pass prevent govern stupid frivil thing monei constitut suppos that legitim constitut power feder govern take monei paycheck and needi countri opinion stupid two aid russia and strong space program will champion welfar educ studi drunken goldfish that republ and not true democraci gridlock massiv scale gridlock congression scale btw decid stupid thi want impos moral sort thing thought libertarian polit pretti libertarian thi issu and thi imposs for join parti that libertarian want withdraw rest world and sink swim that year ago not not begin global economi and global decis make juli disclaim opinion belong cat and
talk.politics.misc	clayton cramer fixat molest children articl apr armori talk polit misc alt sex soc men rstevew armori richard steven walz write articl ripbc cunyvm bitnet ripbc cunyvm bitnet write dialogu gai show awar practic issu for exampl men and women us toilet men like abus girl that avenu close situat easi prevent sexual abus two sex such measur and social convent harder prevent gai gai not abus children want awar that thi practic problem that can solv good will side can protect for parent and children time protect for gai wai that import pursuit happi thought rohit parikh rohit you respond recogn flame nut clayton cramer abus man and live life attempt vilifi men sex men slightli similar assail like will alter misrepres find prove that homosexu rape boi come woodwork hope for probabl secretli gai compound neurosi mind think that made that don person walk and chew gum time mental crippl and domin fantasi you that figur percentag peopl sex time smaller will virtual assert that queer and believ despit evid that homosexu huge disproportion amount child sexual abus even insist that male popul that popul san francisco empti signific portion sought toler atmospher that citi and number simpli not work you add home town origin noth gain commun clayton cramer unabl listen rsw richard steven walz rstevew deeptht armori mapl street safe and free abort women santa cruz organ surrog unwant parasit real men never accept organ slaveri and will protect women don respons appli post badli mistaken rohit suggest that protect boi men protect girl men situat boi and girl apart member opposit sex due social convent and safe sens situat don necessarili protect children abus member sex can understand that not such tremend leap suggest that hard come practic solut even partial solut situat children made vulner homosexu abus work togeth good will side start solv problem restrict freedom walz hand rohit post excus for person attack cramer walz hasn long stretch flame cramer childish and serv weaken argument make futur rick roi usenet rick howtek america onlin qed disclaim employ view orthogon earli bird worm
talk.politics.misc	tax evas not consid unpatriot ipser solomon technet ipser write deeper reason tax natur american birth and histori thi fact that newli independ state had tax system tim smith
talk.politics.misc	not concentr child molest articl pdxgate rigel pdx edu chri bertholf write mcartwr auvm american edu martina cartwright write offici and legal term for rape crime forc femal submit sexual intercours suppli refer not awar that state had word femal rape statut surpris that work practic nice fair not unawar that statut appli femal uniformli agre chri imo true that fbi figur for rape base uniform crime report report femal rape state such illinoi not tabluat refus compli thi sexist definit worm crawl worm crawl worm post net your account
talk.politics.misc	not concentr child molest articl vrii exnet xjg exnet xavier gallagh write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl obck unix portal drakon shell portal harri benjamin gibson write that forc peopl hire rent and busi feel belief person cramer you your target law forc obei point individu stand and thi law suck even you thi gai men and women not forc you mean pass law that noth enforc mechan usual you wrong thi law brought democrat process process that protect you abus yeah guess time homosexu complain sodomi law can echo your stupid democrat process and won basi for complaint admit that never understood refer abomin start read soc motss and start find evid that homosexu respons child molest disproportion homosexu make brian kane happi molest homosexu and bisexu that thi homosexu bisexu molest victim heterosexu molest isn isn isn and depend subset note subset abus you repeat time make correct clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not xavier gallagh plai clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	not concentr child molest articl apr kosmo wcc govt quirk kosmo wcc govt write cramer optilink clayton cramer write thought clear homosexu support law forc employ homosexu will employ attempt interfer privat act mutual consent adult leav discuss your us statist discuss liberterian idea idea good seek maximis individu right keep govern transact consent adult employ discrimin group allow maximis freedom discriminate can doesn relat maximis total individu right commun employ shopkeep can discrimin thi freedom discriminate peopl not live perfect econom condit perfect mobil unlimit number potenti employ skill unlimit place bui good liberterian argument lead decreas amount liberti commun you mean larg part popul support discrimin homosexu will injur larg part popul support such discrimin that law pass toni quirk wellington zealand quirk kosmo wcc govt clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	not concentr child molest articl pdxgate rigel pdx edu chri bertholf write mcartwr auvm american edu martina cartwright write offici and legal term for rape crime forc femal submit sexual intercours suppli refer not awar that state had word femal rape statut surpris that work practic nice fair not unawar that statut appli femal uniformli chri confus uniform crime report program run fbi defin rape femal victim crime even state law sex suspect that thi male victim rape left ucr data clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	pedophilia law articl apr hobb kzoo edu hobb kzoo edu jami mccarthi write cramer optilink clayton cramer write homosexu don thi concept freedom that forc peopl hire rent and busi feel belief person point that clayton onc unfairli lump entir class peopl will complet dive into abyss believ that queer world differ child molest advoc minor soc motss doesn even notic that start sentenc refer that million peopl irrelev you don want lump togeth group stop insist treat member group dreitman oregon uoregon edu daniel reitman attornei write forc peopl hire requir peopl give fair cramer optilink clayton cramer write you give fair you decid that you don want hire gui wear nambla shirt file lawsuit you lose such law forc you hire homosexu pedophil sexual orient not defin anti discrimin law that pass last year pedophilia isn sexual orient and cramer describ you and thi accur appli for job comput compani wear articl homosexu adorn dunno silenc death pin turn that can darn thing and correct assum that you wholeheartedli approv compani action that you wholeheartedli support that action wholeheartedli support thi action wouldn nambla shirt black man appli for job bank bank decid base statist black person like steal monei and deni man job you support bank thi freedom not explain thi differ support support your engag sodomi consent adult wrong wouldn busi such bank clayton repeatedli that california statut classifi pedophilia sexual orient and that discrimin basi sexual orient illeg true frankli amaz don trust clayton give stori clarifi for whether thi true sort discrimin clayton talk job hous hate crime and whether effect law that daycar hire admit pedophil jami mccarthi internet kzoo edu applelink mccarthi law that pass and sign governor peopl state california enact follow section purpos thi act codifi exist case law determin gai law student pacif telephon and telegraph cal and soroka dayton hudson corp cal app prohibit discrimin base sexual orient sec section ad labor code read section and prohibit discrimin dispar treatment term and condit employ base actual perceiv sexual orient thi section not appli religi associ corpor not organ for privat profit whether incorpor religi public benefit corpor clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	not concentr child molest articl honour welli gen radagast honour welli gen radagast write cramer optilink clayton cramer write homosexu don thi concept freedom that forc peopl hire rent and busi feel belief person clayton you good consist predict yup that homosexu peopl want forc you ignor your fuck busi will explain slowli sexual orient irrelev irrelev gender skin colour religi affili attitud hand gun ownership etc want forc you hire person for job rent accomod person will busi will make you monei law propos for virginia that extend thi philosophi cigarett smoker that peopl smoke work couldn discrimin employ liber gov wilder veto show that liber don give damn person for job power plai clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	hilter and homosexu articl ericsc apz netcom eric netcom eric smith write gsmith lauren iwr uni heidelberg gene smith write you that peopl vote for hitler and reich chancellor good part us bulli boi attack communist hitler not becom becom reich chancellor peopl vote for not you meant impli that not thought bring that eric smith hitler chancellor peopl vote for polit parti that not huge differ parliamentari system clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	lincoln slaveri top ten trick you can plai american voter articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write articl kmitchelc hlz netcom kmitchel netcom kenneth mitchel write slaveri make econom sens never make moral sens human muscl power econom valuabl asset agricultur slaveri last mechan cotton reaper reaper cheaper slave and don fed winter thi argument make fundament error agricultur slaveri not limit product cotton american south slave labor us extens grow tobacco sugar and rice remain labor intens enterpris into centuri and state kentucki and virginia not suit larg scale plantat slave labor us make valuabl agricultur product slave wai thi treatment human be breed livestock horrifi aspect american slaveri second mechan cotton product expect reduc demand for labor eventu mechan cotton product south larg elimin labor intens charact oper long mechan cotton reaper invent thi interest question steinbeck grape wrath publish agricultur mechan cotton product arkansa joad famili evict land year involv mechan cotton farm thi ken mitchel power not deleg unit state steve hendrick domain steveh thor isc clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	lincoln slaveri top ten trick articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write articl apr rigel econ uga edu depken rigel econ uga edu craig depken write articl apr princeton edu glhewitt phoenix princeton edu gari livingston hewitt write labor tough labor defin econom effort mental and physic human capit defin intermedi good us creat good and servic slave consid intermedi good slave dehuman and simpli machin not good for anti slave pro human right argument slave human and produc labor question defin slave labor tough defin labor hors livestock legal and econom slave economi slave not human livestock can you provid evid that slave state regard slave not human societi and similar phrase that basic meant that didn recogn right free person never consid not human knowledg hors that pull plow slave labor return capit requir purchas and feed parallel obviou not you miss liberti us properti fit that motiv southern planter emphas import state right that case slave state not pass law that restrict freedom slave owner wish properti exampl law prohibit manumiss legisl grant law prohibit teach slave read write craig steve hendrick domain steveh thor isc clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	lincoln slaveri top ten trick you can plai american voter articl apr rigel econ uga edu depken rigel econ uga edu craig depken write articl mar isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write argument that slaveri dy institut made historian southern sought divert attent institut central issu civil war fact argument speciou recent scholarship last year demonstr conclus that cotton sugar tobacco economi and relianc slaveri increasingli domin south prior civil war thi south not receiv massiv momentum capit intens growth that northern state compar northern agricultur system southern and you will major differ capit labor intens capit and labor and slave economi that capit doesn reproduc quit readili slave slaveri dy institut cotton gin not true that cotton suffer price depress period us claim that slaveri not last south that not argument that heard not last growth north not sustain for longer spill southern state northern industri migrat capit southern state and that come immigr labor port south charleston savannah mobil orlean etc thi put break slave market and slaveri mode capit intens compet agriculturalist that insist keep slave cruel heart and hatr for black peopl driven busi simpl capit labor ratio read michael parkin microeconom edit and basic econom book thi assum that slave holder domin state govern not caus passag law capit north sinc slave holder prepar almost destroi free market order maintain slaveri not doubt that pass law crippl competit threat thoma sowel market and minor argu that mainten slaveri and cost impos state and local govern discourag not capit format capit invest southern state craig depken clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	lincoln slaveri top ten trick you can plai american voter articl apr princeton edu glhewitt phoenix princeton edu gari livingston hewitt write articl apr rigel econ uga edu depken rigel econ uga edu craig depken write conclud south want free trade want slaveri free trade econom interest that regim free trade want gari hewitt glhewitt phoenix princeton edu free trade and slaveri don make sens togeth phrase perhap depken meant low import tariff that quit bit free trade clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	rodnei king trial civil right violat doubl jeopardi articl pul ncratl atlantaga ncr mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr mark wilson write apr husc harvard edu spanagel husc harvard edu david spanagel write specif charg lapd offic civil right law accus violat gener charg that specif mention don that thi accur and wrong that specif allegedli violat due process doubl jeopardi concern that verdict koon overturn appeal for action thought heard new thi previous rule that sinc seper govern essenc seper sovereign doubl jeopardi not appli thi true defend citi and counti govern thi morn paper that aclu decid reinstat opposit thi kind thing had earlier suspend opposit examin king case hope for aclu doubl jeopardi not appli not for reason you quot doubl jeopardi state that person not twice charg polic not trial for crime excess forc assault trial for crime violat king civil right for citi and counti state you onc like will not happen thi citi and state separ law govern behaviour for exampl state offenc carri marijuana not citi offenc murder feder not state law and mind fill even headlin read richard cori home last night and put bullet head
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talk.politics.misc	loser stop put white het male articl apr galileo rochest edu uhura rochest edu tree schnopia write apr jato jpl nasa gov michael neuron jpl nasa gov michael rivero write don you white male white male class invent light bulb automobil airplan print movabl type photographi comput electr guitar anasthesia rocket power space flight comput electr telephon motion pictur penecillin telescop nylon and rai machin two glare error white male don class individu white male invent thing mean noth white male second you neglect mention charl manson hitler mccarthi jack ripper ted bundi and slew individu horribl evil thing white male can credit for fellow white male boon blame for fellow blight claim deserv credit blame for thing told congresswoman barbara jordan that biolog incap compass full shit told susan brownmil that rapist and that full shit told catherin comin that fals rape charg good for full shit told feminist lawyer that not trust children full shit told newsweek magazin that poor sport complain newsweek full shit point ladi and gent michael not correct theori that member race and gender made great advanc race and gender deserv respect receiv white male deserv treat treat not for that reason and male basher quot repugn hate monger chauvinist despis usual white male wake and realiz that unfair wake and realiz that unfair back disgust racist and sexist can learn treat fairli gener stupid gene make thi difficult bui world clue word that miss thi discours not word word even word word loser that boil crap thi argument win and lose and noth explain rememb eighti excus can handl mail buffer can claim young rememb ronald reagan eighti america learn win onc wouldn you won that noth left win cold war endur nuclear holocaust world conquer forgot outer space long ago kind overwhelm hold bar success that kill alexand great problem stock market meltdown bailout revolt and crazi middl eastern dictat contend tacitu god augustu never had good meantim guilt for win fear that doesn deserv bounti success kinder and gentler type politician dai bill clinton affirm action and lot discours peopl don for win busi thi kind talk mildli irrit suggest lose find put mildi stereotyp white male winner woodi hay rose bowl punch photojournalist california fruit and nut steal anoth hail mari pass fourth quarter idea yard and cloud dust wear your oppon collaps final period woodi us fist uzzi weapon choic dai fen answer plain horn rim your face gui michael dougla pose loser thi controversi cast that baggi short sleev white shirt natur mike doesn gordon gekko will never woodi dress that expect gekko easi and enjoi that kind wardrob put fuss start lose sight that bash fen game bash that poor african american slug that clint eastwood us blow time that arch wasp male gender georg scott declaim american tradition love win love winner and will not toler loser and polit implic simpl socialist and democrat you societi finit pie apport equit you worri winner and loser side you that black women todai asian homosexu tommorrow and white men determin dai balanc pie final swung that minor you can blow thing and conserv and libertarian and act you didn care win and lose case you make game fair equal opportun not condit case you identifi neoconserv neoliber depend you want limit pot you winner longer popular you graduat high school you popular high school reunion beat nerd imagin michael dougla agre and long run even hollywood treat loser wors place america for york and washington and even columbu ohio produc alex keaton champion footbal team eighti and quarter nineti winner thi societi race gender religi prefer and sexual orient even white men buckey win rose bowl somedai bill propos senat that opinion not repres fit mention employ praiseworthi scandal govern agenc that historian foremost bill rigg duti ensur that virtu rememb and deter evil word and deed fear poster damnat tacitu annal iii
talk.politics.misc	formal rebutt presumpt jurisdict articl apr midwai uchicago edu thf kimbark uchicago edu ted frank write you not breath clean air provid govern regul thi doesn beat heard mouth mindset ted frank and statist view express theodor kaldi you kaldi remu rutger edu that major univers rutger remu rutger edu kaldi thi hold such view
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talk.politics.misc	hate crime law articl apr new acn nwu edu dmeier casbah acn nwu edu dougla meier write articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write articl apr new acn nwu edu dmeier casbah acn nwu edu dougla meier write beat homosexu charg for assault and batteri add gai bash list isn thi sort doubl jeopardi fascist deter epidem gai bash that not deter assault law make beat homosexu illeg beat straight and advoc that hate crime law aim motiv act premedit homicid treat stricter heat passion homicid not doubl jeopardi singl act lead multipl charg and multipl crime you meant current mutat constitut current polic state charg multipl time for act victim question shade singl act never merit charg set bomb world trade center can charg murder and not death and extens properti damag bomb singl act dougla meier you can plai electro magnet golf ted frank teel mention that thf kimbark uchicago edu advic legal sound you follow law school you will wind jail standard disclaim jame donald misc legal
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talk.politics.misc	fund plan for militari articl wetwar drieux wetwar drieux drieux write arm servic even privat organ sourc aspect dod part current size final allow free market control will longer militari run folk run post offic pp slow and you flame rhetor artform agre jeffrei medkeff bitnet medkeffj hiramb box internet medkeffj hiramb hiram edu hiram pale ebenez thought wrong fight roar bill kill thought
talk.politics.misc	trickl dan quayl geniu garrett ingr write medtron robert nehl write jason schechner jk holm acc virginia edu wrote articl minnd srvr engin umich edu jwh citi umich edu write decad you live unemploy drop inflat drop and interest rate drop thi true pai for nose current recess and argu world not recess had record number month straight econom growth even democrat admit that recess ofcici end march thi month unemploy rate california feel recess peopl laid thi januari whether not recess that figur that report york time offici figur bureau labor statist stop govern track layoff month ago due budget cut inform publish harper index harper magazin eric smith dai dan quayl presid dai eric netcom shellei winter run bull pamplona eric infoserv denni miller
talk.politics.misc	hate crime law articl apr midwai uchicago edu thf midwai uchicago edu write articl apr new acn nwu edu dmeier casbah acn nwu edu dougla meier write you meant current mutat constitut current polic state charg multipl time for act victim question shade singl act never merit charg set bomb world trade center can charg murder and not death and extens properti damag bomb singl act ted frank teel mention that frank come rescu cool head reason charg per victim dai and find case thi doesn appli heck don studi law hate lawyer dougla meier you can plai electro magnet golf northwestern univers acn rule centrifug thi univers commi bumblepuppi huxlei brave world lib pinko view dmeier casbah acn nwu edu
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talk.politics.misc	public hear ballot access vote fraud and issu hmmm interst and long messag twice don care for libertarian that philisoph disagr not tactic reform exist law good idea you wouldn outrag thing guardian two parti system shut dissent david matthew dean dean binah brandei edu word fold open mean death door even casement window sens danger amon liner
talk.politics.misc	part clayton retract articl ppi ginng elroi jpl nasa gov carlo beowulf jpl nasa gov carlo carrion write greatli increas rate incarcer black show that dysfunct that major support crimin activ isn thi matter demograph doesn thi simpli show that sinc crimin behaviour common apt common insert your favorit correct number year rang and sinc percentag black thi rang higher group follow statist that black prison expect result note that haven black stiffer longer sentenc group thi effect issu represent black prison black crime report rate arrest rate and incarcer rate for violent crime doubt that for violent crime that inher bia mechan present wider discrep for crime for black wrt categori interestingli discrep largest southern unit state black incarcer below averag rest unit state point anti bia wrt black case for violent crime and burglari and drug sell black report arrest and present jail prison that popul black black male and percentag that high low ag group situat rememb calcul popul commit almost half nasti crime black similar histori crime white sentenc south receiv paper peopl that love canal kind environment disast weird opinion mine and you can rent cheap
talk.politics.misc	top ten reason hillari and chealsea don men uniform articl vxvk bxr newsserv technet ipser solomon technet ipser wrote top ten reason hillari and chealsea don men uniform salut and stuff embarass copyright edward ipser you ridicul intellig peopl learn spell your typograph error embarass read alt polit libertarian for allegedli superior idea and write erich schwarz schwarz starbas caltech edu
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opportun distinct mention articl and unreason restrict part conduct public affair directli freeli chosen repres vote and elect genuin period elect univers and equal suffrag and held secret ballot guarante free express will elector access gener term equal public servic countri articl person equal law and entitl discrimin equal protect law thi respect law prohibit discrimin and guarante person equal and effect protect discrimin ground such race colour sex languag religion polit opinion nation social origin properti birth statu will peac freedom global act local resist obei question author comment bob waldrop respons bob waldrop for good time call mail bob waldrop fidonet org snail mail box salt lake citi utah unit state america voic phone don blame vote libertarian disclaim speak for note copyright rich thomson uunet dsd rthomson rich thomson internet rthomson dsd irc rich pext programm david matthew dean dean binah brandei edu word fold open mean death door even casement window sens 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talk.politics.misc	public hear ballot access vote fraud and issu ack for repeat post thought post newsgroup thi appear couldn figur wasn appear newsgroup stupid slap hand bang head wall bloodi public anounc mumbl mumbl mumbl david matthew dean dean binah brandei edu word fold open mean death door even casement window sens danger amon liner
talk.politics.misc	public hear ballot access vote fraud and issu messag interest and long twice person loath libertarian disagr philisoph not tactic elect law reform good idea you not kind stunt creatur parti system capabl pull david matthew dean dean binah brandei edu word fold open mean death door even casement window sens danger amon liner
talk.politics.misc	motor voter articl apr romulu rutger edu kaldi romulu rutger edu theodor kaldi wrote enter grade eisenhow presid and john kennedi rel obscur senat england you whether surpris that you haven manag waddl colleg thi time lefti lefti appl
talk.politics.misc	govern mandat energi conserv unnecessari and wast studi find govern mandat energi conserv unnecessari and wast studi find washington energi tax and subsid energi effici measur support presid clinton and energi secretari hazel leari base faulti assumpt studi cato institut point jerri taylor cato director natur resourc studi not run sourc energi world almost time proven oil reserv had and twice reserv proven reserv coal and natur ga increas dramat standard live popul densiti and industri structur control for unit state energi effici japan and energi effici group nation energi independ protect domest oil price shock energi economi global sinc cost oil repres percent gross nation product even larg increas price oil impact economi market economi averag time energi effici per gnp central plan economi util subsid energi effici measur demand side manag program encourag free rider overus compet resourc input competit inequ dsm program not reduc demand taylor conclud that govern mandat energi conserv impos unnecessari cost consum and wast not conserv energi that subsid energi conserv technolog will stymi not advanc gain energi conserv and that central control lifeblood modern societi energi transfer tremend power state expens individu energi conserv and effici case coercion polici analysi seri publish cato institut independ public polici research organ washington cato institut second street washington cato institut found cato institut public polici research foundat dedic broaden paramet polici debat consider option that consist tradit american principl limit govern individu liberti and peac that end institut strive achiev greater involv intellig concern lai public question polici and proper role govern institut name for cato letter libertarian pamphlet that wide read american coloni earli centuri and plai major role lai philosoph foundat american revolut despit achiev nation founder todai virtual aspect life free govern encroach pervas intoler for individu right shown govern arbitrari intrus into privat econom transact and disregard for civil liberti counter that trend cato institut undertak extens public program that address complet spectrum polici issu book monograph and shorter studi commiss examin feder budget social secur regul militari spend intern trade and myriad issu major polici confer held year paper publish thrice yearli cato journal order maintain independ cato institut accept govern fund contribut receiv foundat corpor and individu and revenu gener sale public institut nonprofit tax exempt educ foundat section intern revenu code cato institut second street washington
talk.politics.misc	secret purpos falkland war secret purpos falkland war visibl technolog beter audio letter digit jon volkoff mail address eidet cerf net audio letter regist trademark audio book inc texa corpor origin produc thi tape record reproduc open licens grant audio book inc thi beter audio letter washington friend thi beter todai april and thi audio letter almost month sinc war broke south atlant surfac that disput argentina and great britain barren wind swept falkland island and south georgia island realiti that call falkland crisi visibl tip giant militari oper thi month april fierc naval battl place not south atlant south pacif hostil wrap wartim censorship side word naval war southern hemispher come surfac begin todai april total naval and air blockad falkland royal navi begun time counterblockad declar argentina area effect blockad impos period time royal navi not that time winter come south atlant and british suppli line overextend come thi majesti navi cannot simpli drop blockad and sail week time draw blood argentina result british will forc undertak militari oper matter riski anoth reason royal navi choic engag argentin forc combat that reason friend that royal navi suffer loss secret combat thi month thi moment will explain damag sustain british fleet publicli admit fight erupt will british dare admit that suffer battl loss obtain that cover stori british choic sail into combat will risk even heavier loss top sustain short friend majesti navi sail into trap event unfold south atlant carri strang iron echo past for week hear countless comment refer british task forc armada quot british peopl uneasi that descript origin spanish armada year ago renown seemingli invinc fight forc grief naval disast complet that chang histori and english navi that destroi spanish armada origin spanish armada put sea reign england queen elizabeth armada invas fleet carri thousand crack fight men invad england met dare sea dog sir franci drake drake and small fast ship turn tabl spanish armada chang rule battl english fleet equip longer rang gun and stai upwind and reach english pound smash and shatter big ship mighti armada bare half spanish fleet left limp back port drake defeat spanish armada shock world open door for england queen elizabeth start expans into global empir todai year histori come full circl queen elizabeth wit dismantl world empir heydai began queen elizabeth and cultur england and spain onc confront onc call armada prepar for invas thi time armada british not spanish hundr year ago sir franci drake hero dai todai ghost franci drake onc scene south atlant war zone eastern end drake passag southern tip south america defeat spanish armada centuri ago broke back spain naval supremaci and defeat british armada break back remain onc gloriou royal navi special topic for thi audio letter topic militari secret south georgia island topic secret naval war southern hemispher topic rockefel fear campaign nuclear war topic falkland island crisi began earli thi month look tempest teapot for centuri and half sinc island control great britain that entir time british sovereignti falkland disput argentina countless threat argentina seiz island call malvina threat come noth past and britain never even worri island time distant argentina cuba unit state and not prize year occup falkland home fewer british settler and lot sheep short remot falkland island fight and watch anoth crisi place watch war erupt great britain and argentina thatcher govern act forgotten usual preoccup soviet threat nato doorstep britain throw almost argentina aircraft carrier cruiser destroy submarin assault ship you name luxuri cruis ship even commiss and turn into troop carrier overnight wave wave addit assault troop activ and join fleet even sail ship and submarin pull station normal nato duti and reinforc task forc initi ship forc grown steadili past week into armada number two third entir royal navi deploi south atlant argentina watch thi lot peopl ask thi fight popular answer suggest major media oil vast deposit oil exist continent shelf argentina and falkland that for year explain time sudden militari offens argentina thi month and oil explain even argentin seizur south georgia island south georgia island mile east falkland oil deposit anywher and compar south georgia falkland island paradis south georgia island cover rug mountain treacher vallei glacier and semi perman snow uninhabit top that argentina absolut legal histor claim south georgia island that respect stand sharp contrast falkland earli falkland occupi for argentin colonist british expel and island for that and histor reason argentina argu that falkland belong argentina not britain such argument for south georgia island control britain never argentina spain argentin seizur south georgia island even unreason militari point view argentina leader militari men and militari term awar ahead time that south georgia island not possibl held for long seiz set absorb militari defeat island retaken britain question argentina militari junta bother seemingli worthless south georgia island friend answer question militari not polit econom south georgia island possess enorm militari secret giant underground instal buri mountain northwest end island real reason for call falkland crisi thi secret instal togeth two similar instal will describ shortli secret militari complex exist for year not acceler nuclear war timet american bolshevik war planner washington for past two month report detail thi war plan you quickli can obtain and verifi plan call for nuclear war erupt septemb thi year thi fast approach nuclear war threat that caus call falkland crisi erupt coordin effort spoil part bolshevik grand strategi for come nuclear war mutual enemi american bolshevik rockefel cartel and russia ruler kremlin present crisi ruin phase project war plan reveal last month that phase world domin american bolshevik russia and unit state destroi nuclear war mention last month kei thi plan exist secret weapon stockpil place world american bolshevik militari planner america work bolshevik agent kei militari posit countri set war that intend ride nuclear holocaust caus safe and cozi govern war bunker war nation final lie smolder and exhaust bolshevik will leav shatter remain host countri will rendezv secret weapon instal and bring weapon into open will confront world remain fresh date power militari forc earth and that militari power will becom undisput ruler world that plan thi and plan pave for world domin set nuclear war matter month rockefel cartel and russia anti bolshevik ruler work togeth race time head bolshevik war plan last month mention that bolshevik benefit war prepar start rockefel long ago year sinc rockefel dislodg prime mover unit state govern bolshevik sinc that time unit state govern hous divid torn intern power struggl rival bolshevik and rockefel faction that unit state had domin for decad econom and polit rockefel brother brother launch long rang plan for world domin two prong strategi half visibl and half secret describ long ago audio letter plan for unit state arm teeth secret appear disarm gradual repeat detail basic idea grandios simpl deliber appear weak rockefel control unit state maneuv into nuclear war russia secret weapon includ superweapon unleash smash russia and world set grand plan motion rockefel brother ahead nuclear war late militari analyst conclud earli that war plan effect northern and southern hemispher superpow unit state and soviet union locat northern hemispher full fledg nuclear power great britain franc red china and india contrast strateg target for nuclear war southern hemispher rel and word expect that come nuclear war essenti northern hemispher war nuclear holocaust that radioact fallout will gradual spread affect even area not initi hit war limit war cloud can spread discov long ago that mix air northern and southern hemispher northern half planet cold air north pole work southward equat work back north warm air mirror imag thi process take southern half planet northern and southern hemispher air meet equatori zone air place militari conclus friend thi come nuclear war ruin larg area northern hemispher for gener come calcul southern hemispher escap virtual unaffect war thi music ear rockefel brother quick globe world show rockefel cartel domin latin america sinc world war discuss monthli audio letter nelson rockefel solidifi cartel grip latin america war accomplish thi call coordin hemispher defens for presid franklin roosevelt that take care south american contin and natur resourc african contin rockefel control effect wide area black africa south equat thi effort john rockefel iii detail audio letter globe import remain land mass standpoint world domin australia and zealand world war wide open rockefel rockefel brother decid establish secret militari instal southern hemispher for us come war thi mean expect becom master surviv southern half planet earth northern hemispher war northern hemispher gradual recov nuclear holocaust rockefel empir pick piec thi gener rockefel brother expect famili dynasti inherit earth order control southern hemispher militarili war mean project militari power land mass for exampl revolt rockefel domin requir troop not blast beam weapon moon critic factor for postwar militari domin world found navi minimum two secret naval fleet requir base south atlant south pacif sinc reserv naval fleet secret northern hemispher nuclear war not built exist shipyard construct facil had built and had hidden hide entir shipyard small task lot space top that essenti that ship remain hidden built achiev that combin shipyard and naval base into secret instal final secret naval instal had invulner nuclear attack exist discov prematur secret navi wipe combin requir for secreci space and protect attack formid dai plan earli stage develop answer present call bank trip sweden david rockefel tour uniqu hidden naval port port hollow solid granit cliff come water entranc port gigant hole side cliff can seal enorm steel door insid thi big doorwai water huge caviti hollow accommod ship rockefel brother and militari advis decid that bigger secret protect version swedish hidden port want survei candid site initi site survei cover coastal area southern hemispher area reject quickli topographi wrong area reject close equat had rule peopl live nearbi make desir level secreci imposs final essenti that site chosen for secret naval instal total secur polit last site for secret naval instal select south pacif extrem southern zealand select thi allud audio letter month ago call attent zealand extrem import come war order obtain space secret zealand naval instal had divid into two site locat close togeth extrem southwest tip south island mountain rang southern alp come virtual water edg part instal built into northwest tip stewart island tip south island stewart island facil hollow rise anglem zealand locat met requir sinc world war govern zealand ti even closer unit state great britain locat equat and instal buri deep mountain protect nuclear attack deep reach particl beam attack and zealand site situat command entir south pacif south atlant even perfect site found that site friend south georgia island locat perfectli for naval domin entir south atlant tall rug mountain provid perfect locat for secret instal northwest tip mile long island control great britain govern that zealand will cooper and south georgia island virtual uninhabit for whale station northeast coast whale station mile secret instal built britain chanc whale station close sinc that time inhabit south georgia island for dozen alleg antarct scientist construct secret naval facil two zealand south georgia island began earli techniqu adapt us previous build larg underground facil such norad instal insid cheyenn mountain colorado techniqu adapt radic wai achiev construct access directli sea overland thi shelter mountain left undisturb appear and construct cut mountain side ship and small and camouflag swedish hidden naval port arrang entranc secret instal can seal seal entranc virtual imposs detect you exactli and unlik larg construct project tail pile leftov rock ly attract attent man made cavern hous secret naval instal enorm rock and debri dispos sea onc secret naval facil built had outfit for ship construct and docksit storag fake disarma unit state contribut greatli thi task man plai pivot role thi elabor rockefel scheme secretari defens robert mcnamara mcnamara presid public pare back america visibl militari power thi includ close and dismantl entir shipyard not told that shipyard equip friend secret instal outfit zealand and south georgia island secret naval instal us duplic facil reproduc ship and submarin design and built unit state defens secretari caspar weinberg told congress recent cheaper build two ship time that true second ship exact duplic thi becom even true recent year us computer manufactur techniqu secret naval fleet built secret instal made duplic exact duplic ship and submarin nuclear power nuclear sub nuclear cruiser nuclear destroy and nuclear aircraft carrier secret twin built for nimitz for eisenhow and for newli launch carl vincent financ gigant cost overrun call that constantli hear defens depart and carrier provid full complement aircraft manufactur financ ship secret american bolshevik naval fleet duplic nuclear power vessel even secret naval ship possess kei differ last month reveal that call stealth program succeed develop kind electromagnet invis shield thi techniqu make object invis distanc distort light wave vicin fleet phantom war plane into crash product that us thi principl and friend secret american bolshevik navi ship outfit similar stealth field equip stealth principl easier appli ship airplan room for power equip that gener field nuclear war secret stealth navi american bolshevik light year ahead navi left earth perfect for intend role world domin rockefel set motion long ago friend year ago lost control unit state militari american bolshevik control and bent war secret naval instal precipit call falkland crisi topic audio letter last month describ project bolshevik phase strategi for nuclear war elit group american bolshevik militari planner flush plan secret war room washington plan unit state will strike nuclear blow thermonuclear war russia set holocaust bolshevik and countri plan rise safe comfort war bunker final nuclear war fizzl stalem plan leav ash unit state and alli activ phase grand strategi plan unveil secret weapon secret naval fleet plan conquer and rule left world unit state will dead and ey bolshevik thi outcom will constitut victori nuclear war timet reveal two month ago track shoot for nuclear war begin septemb thi year time fast run bolshevik sprint fast can war friend bolshevik not runner thi race two deadli enemi equal determin trip bolshevik enemi bolshevik rockefel cartel enemi anti bolshevik rule cliqu russia and two mutual enemi bolshevik pool effort wai audio letter month ago report that limit anti bolshevik coalit work rockefel cartel and russian januari meet haig and gromyko geneva switzerland turn point format thi coalit realiti and respons for call falkland crisi domin headlin emphas that thi relationship rockefel cartel and russia fall short true allianc major disput settl for time call truce deal mutual deadli enemi bolshevik america prioriti russian and rockefel slow bolshevik prepar for immin nuclear war can that time side rockefel cartel polit movement discuss last summer audio letter slow nuclear war timet will give breath space for addit anti bolshevik action implement joint rockefel russian planner decid mid februari that militari action bolshevik essenti quickli type action had hope take effect fast prevent nuclear war end thi summer exact detail project war plan not rockefel russian gener outlin describ last month decid that militari action devis that undermin phase bolshevik war plan that bolshevik control secret naval instal and fleet southern hemispher attack and crippl work togeth rockefel cartel and russian devis attack plan carri alon rockefel group built and origin control base provid detail intellig attack russian enorm militari machin provid muscl carri attack essenti devis scheme that enabl secret fleet south atlant and south pacif attack surviv intact fleet leav bolshevik war plan workabl militari analyst conclud quickli that direct assault zealand facil question combin commando frogmen militari forc possibl attack secret world attack zealand base set war rockefel and russian want prevent situat south atlant matter greatest asset south georgia island achil heel extrem isol protect secreci south georgia base made covert militari assault feasibl kei lai argentina and long stand claim falkland island mention topic rockefel cartel domin latin america for decad cartel oper argentina work deal govern militari junta histor disput falkland island us provid ruse militari cover enabl south georgia base attack argentin gener not told situat mean told make clear induc cooper argentin leader promis handsom reward guarante that shoot falkland island remain argentin hand thi guarante includ promis covert militari assist need royal navi and bolster troubl argentin economi promis that rockefel cartel will develop immens offshor oil reserv combin promis militari glori and financi reward argentin militari junta agre plan march argentina carri act joint attack plan group argentin scrap metal merchant thing land abandon whale station south georgia island supposedli dismantl build and cart sell rais argentin flag work site british nervou south georgia island promptli react expect british antarct survei ship endur put marin ashor drove scrap merchant and tore argentin flag incid provid desir excus for argentin junta bring simmer year falkland disput boil time time past argentina claim that south georgia part falkland administ that britain that argument flimsi handi noth hear thi argentin leader hint afoot late march argentin militari forc start assembl for assault falkland noth thought british high command argentina carri threaten maneuv past time believ that april argentin forc unexpect past fals alarm thi time invad and seiz island argentin public statement emphas long stand histor claim falkland for good measur dai small argentin forc seiz south georgia island forc small that gave appear initi that side show argentina point view small conting royal marin overpow and bundl island group alleg scientist that moment payoff joint rockefel russian attack plan elabor distract stage argentin forc special commando team island undetect base detail rockefel inform base team move locat mountain directli cavern secret base special high speed drill equip set rockefel member team russian member concentr militari defens late that even april militari high command london final learn take place secret south georgia base attack virtual mean joint rockefel russian team drill shaft mountain hollow cavern insid matter time drill break ceil giant hidden naval base onc hole made step obviou rockefel russian team put weapon kind hole guess that nerv ga shock wave that highest level british govern even april can describ friend thatcher govern call reagan administr america bolshevik control that margaret thatcher time reagan administr russia govern parti secret nuclear war plan complet betray peopl respect countri and even april suddenli discov that preciou war plan deep deep troubl immedi thatcher govern start assembl naval armada sail for south atlant hast order dai drill south georgia island proceed clock estim that drill break into roof naval base week april not reach south georgia secret instal doom forc station instal unabl defend circumst mighti naval ship ship bottl not dare open bottl sail fight russian commando arm tactic and nuclear weapon open blast proof entranc door suicid april two dai south georgia island seiz naval ship began move british port dai lord carrington sack foreign minist forc resign friend had assist rockefel attack plan downplai argentin attack prepar that dai april zealand home secret naval fleet broke diplomat relat argentina two hidden zealand facil had red alert precautionari measur submarin twin base order sea surfac ship sea undergo sea trial that left major ship insid hidden twin naval base includ nuclear aircraft carrier mention earlier that busi dai april argentina foreign minist costa mendez unit nation york alarm deploy such larg part royal navi costa mendez hurri washington seek reassur offici for two week new fill stori allegedli slow movement british fleet negoti that friend cover stori royal navi join and move rapidli south georgia island task forc arriv time save secret base major battl like offici stori slow movement british armada intend give cushion time for that battl fleet dai retak south georgia island move arriv falkland announc schedul thi crucial import south georgia island hidden and big secret preserv initi expect that advanc element british fleet reach vicin south georgia island two week that attack joint rockefel russian commando team and stop drill complet russian cosmospher and submarin made shambl plan kei advanc element south georgia attack conting left ascens island earli april two dai announc offici shortli ran into troubl russian cosmospher and attack submarin close singl ship critic plan counterassault south georgia island cosmospher bombard bridg and combat inform center ship neutron radiat moment ship command commun and radar silenc russian sub close and quickli finish thi kei british ship torpedo broke apart secondari explos and sank rapidli survivor thi unexpect shock mid atlant produc two result import caus slowdown race south atlant british armada task forc had regroup into configur suit for enrout defens that cost valuabl time public announc london progress fleet reflect thi slowdown timet for arriv battl station falkland start stretch longer and longer thi bought extra time for joint commando team south georgia island drill continu result sink equal import word flash south pacif stealth navi prepar for action obviou that russian navi get involv atlant meant that royal navi big troubl dead night earli april stealth ship put sea twin secret base southern zealand deploi secret oper headquart area antipod island mile southeast zealand electromagnet shield oper provid protect attack shield make imposs commun world even explain last month onc arriv antipod stealth ship hook buoi equip shield commun cabl island headquart antipod headquart turn constant touch south georgia base transocean cabl tip south america deploy ship south pacif stealth fleet exactli joint rockefel russian planner had hope for ship had flush essenti invulner hide place zealand british ship sink april event april argentin navi start move port dai alexand haig arriv bueno air supposedli diplomat realiti gener deal gener haig top government oper rockefel cartel reveal past make that argentin not cold feet and back that critic moment dai april haig left for washington board plane haig somberli told report time run and friend for secret south georgia base dai april drill broke into hollow cavern naval base bolshevik militari analyst london had not expect that complet weekend british fleet rang weapon commando team insert long hole small compact russian neutron bomb deton insid confin huge artifici cave effect devast intens radiat instantli kill insid base heat and blast effect bomb believ damag ship insid suffici badli disabl meanwhil russian cosmospher and submarin converg stealth ship antipod island await order distanc ship invis ey due protect shield protect beam weapon attack sit duck for tactic russian emploi float overhead cosmospher locat ship psychoenerget rang find equip prf report past method prf can jam cosmospher radio exact locat ship attack submarin sub arm special home nuclear torpedo design explod impact sophist torpedo thrown deton prematur protect shield each ship simpl torpedo cruis each invis field strike ship and explod minut attack began bolshevik stealth ship bottom and bolshevik command and mercenari crew collect world south pacif action place sunset local time time washington april that even secretari state haig briefli public british foreign minist franci pym pym wear artifici pseudo smile diplomat taught displai public not haig haig grin ear ear and joint rockefel russian militari oper had brilliant success secret bolshevik south atlant fleet had virtual wipe bottl insid south georgia island and south pacif fleet not total wipe had badli crippl work togeth rockefel cartel and russian had won secret naval war southern hemispher topic word new report give impress that war erupt south atlant real war southern hemispher watch begin bloodi aftermath that aftermath battl for falkland island promis argentina reward for role secret war thi moment bolshevik washington press for public announc that unit state will side britain that take place militari action will heat fast falkland britain choic fight suffer casualti cannot explain public battl fight bolshevik britain run risk humili and tragic defeat for royal navi meanwhil rockefel strategist concentr fast build anti nuclear war campaign side hear call nuclear freez movement documentari articl public kind sensit terror nuclear war recent month even referenda pop elect ballot deal nuclear war issu medic doctor band togeth warn public happen nuclear war told that thi pop spontan year into nuclear ag and noth thi gain momentum suppos that million american spontan idea time you that friend give movement thi never and mean never develop leadership organ and monei and plenti watch rockefel public relat machin work explain past rockefel cartel cannot afford nuclear war place will lose not posit control deadli enemi rockefel cartel bolshevik will win war and rockefel faction power prevent nuclear war present anti nuclear war orient rockefel cartel creat temporari common interest and russia russia ruler thi not spring great moral perspect part rockefel group pure matter practic necess for rockefel russian regard unit state hous divid and exploit that divis work care wai rockefel prioriti rid world deadli bolshevik menac even suicid nuclear war onc that that will dai reckon rockefel cartel dai rockefel group work definit object anti nuclear war propaganda that object renew power and power that move closer dream world govern bolshevik unwittingli provid fertil ground for power rockefel antiwar campaign bolshevik control call reagan administr becom hawkish that scare peopl rockefel antiwar campaign design capit that latent fear tool power dai smell war air falkland crisi help make that intens rockefel propaganda machin pave for argument that surrend sovereignti avoid war super unit nation sort work fill bill will teeth present envis organ will base geneva switzerland work name thi chang world nonprolifer council plan bring into outgrowth nuclear nonprolifer treati true purpos will us fear fear war control last minut summari time for last minut summari thi audio letter report reason call falkland island crisi crisi erupt secret bolshevik control naval instal southern hemispher attack joint action rockefel cartel and russian attempt slow nuclear war timet attack success result remain result that royal navi drawn into trap britain waterloo sea hand friend two faction struggl for control unit state rockefel cartel and bolshevik differ style seek control fear rise trickeri power lord jesu christ hope scriptur tell lord not spirit fear power love and sound mind learn wage peac lord declar long ago bless peacemak for call son god month god will thi beter you and god bless each and you
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talk.politics.misc	clinton press avail russian press white hous offic press secretari vancouv british columbia for releas april press confer presid russian press canada place vancouv british columbia pdt had two question for presid you answer for bori laughter presid give you answer give you yeltsin answer laughter that thi meet presid monei that promis govern monei and natur distribut govern you that quarter busi question russian busi consult prioriti associ russian businessmen exist will invit particip set prioriti for invest thi and second you that poll public poll america not show that american enthusiast give thi aid newsweek poll that percent don approv and york time publish that percent support prevent civil war percent foster democrat reform and percent person support yeltsin you sort handl thi problem that american not enthusiast you question translat into russian answer answer presid answer question depend kind aid discuss for exampl fund that will set for financ busi will busi appli and good risk and make applic privat fund will us support privat exist public enterpris gener fund democraci corp and thing peopl russia will influenc distribut regard your second question that that peopl countri not feel warmli simpli american govern give monei russian govern opposit that russia and countri histori opposit foreign aid kind that thi noth russia you histori america kind aid program unpopular american peopl thi not aid program thi invest program that thi invest futur spent trillion trillion armament soldier and invest cold war democrat govern russia newli independ state remaind work democraci and struggl economi interest make can for democraci surviv for economi russia grow potenti for trade and invest and for continu effort reduc nuclear weapon and element hostil side side and russian side don thi aid program thi invest for unit state thi interest unit state thing announc todai second stage program hope put togeth week view thing that good for countri and for taxpay and worker countri russia great nation that partnership common endeavor peopl share goal great mistak for view thi sort chariti aid issu that not invest for america and wonder invest invest risk risk greater potenti return trillion spent each across barrier cold war presid you for come and talk memori live correspond thi time american presid thi russian press corp kind measur breakthrough two question your introductori remark press confer you mention that you discuss start and start issu you you reach agreement presid yeltsin order ukrain join ratif start and npt regim and second question confid you that unit state congress eager support you lift jackson vanik and restrict inherit cold war presid clinton discuss issu ukrain regard start and npt and gener regard proce independ state nuclear unit state develop strong relationship that thing that that increas willing ukrain support thi direct successfulli conclud negoti highli enrich uranium that provid not import econom opportun for russia for ukrain and show reach part agre that basic peopl sign lisbon protocol honor and agre continu press that spent good deal time reassur ukrain leader specif presid and foreign minist that want strong ti ukrain that unit state good relationship ukrain that order togeth strengthen economi ukrain and unit state fulli support commit ratifi start and join npt regim critic second question presid regard jackson vanik and cocom make two point agre republican and democrat leader congress that will return list legisl and restrict regulatori natur impos relat unit state and russia that legaci cold war and will whether agre leadership congress regard jackson vanik will open chang law congress convinc fact refusnik peopl emigr not allow fact that law design affect that desir law will regard cocom guess and noth guess that leadership congress and advis prefer sort phase movement cocom regim will begin fairli futur clinton read your speech annapoli impress that you complet person and 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talk.politics.misc	loser stop put white het male articl tecsun tec armi mil rigg descart etl armi mil bill rigg write articl apr galileo rochest edu uhura rochest edu tree schnopia write apr jato jpl nasa gov michael neuron jpl nasa gov michael rivero write don you white male white male class invent light bulb automobil airplan print movabl type photographi comput electr guitar anasthesia rocket power space flight comput electr telephon motion pictur penecillin telescop nylon and rai machin two glare error white male don class individu white male invent thing mean noth white male second you neglect mention charl manson hitler mccarthi jack ripper ted bundi and slew individu horribl evil thing white male can credit for fellow white male boon blame for fellow blight claim deserv credit blame for thing white male wake and realiz that unfair wake and realiz that unfair back disgust racist and sexist can learn treat fairli gener stupid gene make thi difficult bui world clue word that miss thi discours not word word even word word loser that boil crap thi argument win and lose and noth explain meantim guilt for win fear that doesn deserv bounti success kinder and gentler type politician dai bill clinton affirm action and lot discours peopl don for win busi thi kind talk mildli irrit suggest lose fen answer plain horn rim your face gui michael dougla pose loser thi controversi cast that baggi short sleev white shirt natur mike doesn gordon gekko will never woodi dress that expect gekko easi and enjoi that kind wardrob put fuss start lose sight that bash fen game bash that poor african american slug that clint eastwood us blow time that arch wasp male gender georg scott declaim american tradition love win love winner and will not toler loser and sinc talk theori and opinion put rebuttl person love dog unlik bandwagon jumper abandon team start win peopl that cheer for winner winner insecur peopl afraid associ neg polit implic simpl socialist and democrat you societi finit pie apport equit you worri winner and loser side you that black women todai asian homosexu tommorrow and white men determin dai balanc pie final swung that minor thi point agre reason that peopl bash wasp top for long time top oppress below that can stai top hannib had push rome victori canna bash black for oppress peaceful white peopl for centuri doubt that black had conquer world that treat coloni wors white white race unspeak thing race world conquer race khan real question carri that blame present gener didn particip crime good bosnia good fight war that stop hundr even thousand year ago opinion inequ chang don blame for ancestor wouldn settl you winner longer popular you graduat high school you popular high school reunion beat nerd imagin michael dougla agre and long run that you dead wrong you don join side win that make you spineless win high school and high school popular doesn make you histori loos coupl except win make differ peopl not and good opinion peopl care you winner you can beat fight inch bill that moment bottom fell authur mind garrett johnson ey turn insid feet began leak garrett ingr top head room fold flat spun shift exist and left slide into naval dougla adam
talk.politics.misc	clinton press brief georg stephanopoulo white hous offic press secretari for releas april press brief georg stephanopol brief room edt stephanopoulo you presid amtrack camden yard throw pitch marc maryland area transit not amtrack stephanopoulo not amtrack union station you excus georg exactli you prepar break logjam senat stephanopoulo you discuss senat mitchel and senat dole thi morn and that presid continu make point that believ that invest packag job packag pass quickli thi invest for summer job for immun for highwai construct for import program that will put peopl back work thi summer and presid continu program pass will compromis that question stephanopoulo you discuss thi morn senat betwen senat mitchel and senat dole come presid believ job program forward georg presid will accept billion for year appar appear compromis offer stephanopoulo don offer side senat discuss happen todai that matter republican offer that billion per year stephanopoulo presid believ that program pass thi time will listen senat not come not into figur happen reason assum isn happen that compromis order vote stephanopoulo republican intrest stop progress presid job bill creat stephanopoulo republican interest stop progress presid job bill creat real action real job thi summer for american peopl question that frustrat legisl activ last dai you compromis your packag stephanopoulo happen convers senat mitchel and senat dole thi morn prepar compromis stephanopoulo presid prepar listen senat mitchel thi morn meet senat dole feel that defeat stephanopoulo not fact success begin term stephanopoulo pass budget record time six week and budget reduc deficit billion year and budget for import invest futur had strong passag job program hous simpli minor republican senat choos perpetu gridlock and hold action presid job program not sign that not succeed can beat thi can fact can that stephanopoulo republican can stop action question that you georg you alleg note bori yeltsin meet appear that presid told bori yeltsin not trust japanes that mean stephanopoulo that complet misread happen meet context convers that presid clinton reassur presid yeltsin time convers prime minist miyazawa kuril island and prime minist belief that japan plai construct role process mean thi casual comment japanes courtesi and etiquett context convers reassur presid yeltsin that believ japanes commit process you that presid that japanes mean stephanopoulo that not don exact word and longer discuss line that believ that thi issu prime minist miyazawa intend forward process attempt explain thi japanes appar japanes press pick thi and appear stephanopoulo report japanes press and put situat context talk japanes understand japanes point view don problem that diplomat context clear thing not posit georg specif comment that made specif kuril island situat gener observ japanes etiquett stephanopoulo discuss specif comment ask that alleg translat russian note japanes mean stephanopoulo combin mean don that sentenc that specif comment broad gener observ specif finish sentenc thi case believ that prime minist miyazawa mean commit faceti stephanopoulo casual observ and you diplomat contact made clear presid messag stephanopoulo don presid spoke that secretari christoph made call not exactli thi bigger deal you make christoph had make call stephanopoulo that report vancouv and secretari want make that understood and make absolut stephanopoulo report vancouv and secretari want make that understood and make absolut misunderstand and don posit japanes that thing actuali mean anoth stephanopoulo posit japanes presid state presid yeltsin two dai that had had good convers prime minist miazawa prior summit reiter posit long stand support for japanes posit kuril island reiter prime minist miazawa commit move forward process and plai construct role and presid yeltsin glad hear that listen secretari christoph iraq for last dai confus polici you want saddam hussein overturn stephanopoulo polici that secretari christoph reiter and offici reiter expect full and complet and unequivoc complianc resolut not that complianc throw that iraq compli saddam can stai offic stephanopoulo that that judgment that not for saddam hussein compli resolut and stai power import point that expect complianc iraq resolut and will continu demand and you concern iran will becom domin power area stephanopoulo secretari christoph spoken iran last dai and expect full iranian complianc intern norm and stop support terror that glib statement that won stai power compli resolut logic you base that stephanopoulo saddam hussein not compli resolut not respect right peopl requir resolut not fulli compli resolut inspect not fulli compli resolut armament you that compli power stephanopoulo power rest repress peopl stop that make difficult for stai power georg back stimulu packag that you and presid accus republican plai pure polit and perpetu gridlock that evid you that don genuin idealog differ you that good faith stephanopoulo fact that time past republican lead fight for filibust support fund seek stop highwai fund georg regard that moder republican that white hous er not open plan put togeth that had sort proforma meet white hous and senat republican and that administr back and think perhap job work stephanopoulo not that true that meet mean presid met republican leadership two occas introduct packag met entir senat republican caucu for lunch and continu contact republican can find interest presid packag interest that thi program import and continu fight for your noth democrat alon strategi you miscalcul abil stephanopoulo mean that question that senat rule determin minor can frustrat activ mean question that you and stop action and that republican rethink you attempt thing pass you thi process for rest summer work republican and woo republican into your camp stephanopoulo continu for support republican whenev can presid inti thi you differ you thi thi you stiff republican begin and made clear that democrat major that thi and and you didn republican vote you tack you for vote you stephanopoulo can into futur and understand turn legisl road presid continu reach can you don regret you handl and you don plan your approach deal republican congress base thi experi stephanopoulo presid packag pass quickli and continu press for that will continu reach republican not question that and continu reason and and find avenu for cooper thi case republican chosen unifi filibust plan frustrat action not plan move forward deni legisl mean put propos forward stephanopoulo idea stephanopoulo amend defeat don that deni present stephanopoulo that not exactli true mean vote that can pass parliamentari rule plai stephanopoulo major support that not exactli true georg iraq administr back iraqi opposit groom leadership back iraqi leadership stephanopoulo press for iraqi complianc don can into busi groom leadership contact level iraqi opposit group don recent jess jackson not presid friend told that kind town meet kind involv presid pre empt ball game lo angel will that kind intervent stephanopoulo you presid appoint commerc secretari ron brown dai ago special envoi california and coordiant cabinet activ california econom situat includ situat lo angel will visit lo angel educ visit educ secretari rilei that transport secretari pena and hud secretari cisnero and visit cabinet offici dai and week wouldn rule possibl visit presid clinton california situat close and concern make that make long term polici decis that will creat kind econom opportun prevent disturb continu watch georg follow reverend jackson suppos ball park todai baltimor group support protest lack minor basebal manag presid posit that stephanopoulo presid receiv correspond reverend jackson that reverend jackson spoken white hous chief staff mack mclarti rais question progress basebal last year not presid intend continu ball game todai reverend jackson stephanopoulo don presid believ that reverend jackson rais question and that even progress not reverend jackson not ball game stephanopoulo not that character reverend jackson talk inform pickett don that ask not ball game long detail formal letter outlin concern situat major leagu basebal and presid read georg oriol plai ranger manag partner ranger georg bush and meet presid stephanopoulo don mubarak schedul stephanopoulo that presid mubarak come tomorrow morn for work meet will lunch and that dinner tonight vice presid gore and joint statement tomorrow stephanopoulo end evid georg that egyptian warn potenti terrorist bomb terrorist activ stephanopoulo report york time mean that presid mubarak that gener convers egyptian for long period time gener intellig share mean presid mubarak care point that specif inform thi visit that pass forward presid will continu investig situat reiter belief that cannot toler terror kind georg make specif egyptian appar issu specif warn thi individu forgiv thi individu forgiv name escap moment and egyptian rebuf attempt kind action stephanopoulo don agre your character mubarak interview that gave gener warn possibl network unit state and action specif inform thi specif oper white hous doesn feel that law enforc agenc whether cia fbi receiv thi kind inform lax derelict duti not pursu kind stephanopoulo not serbia pass mention new confer yesterdai stephanopoulo you didn your question exactli agreement concert action two countri and even wasn stephanopoulo move forward todai continu discuss alli sanction resolut and continu for wai press serbian come negoti tabl and sign agreement georg you sanction option mean serbian make clear that leadership surviv fine and feel can wait you and even administr offici had dai evid that effect time bosnian serb peac plan mean and you stephanopoulo mean move forward sanction and discuss will continu continu and tighten noos serbia and that opportun that will effect time lift arm embargo stephanopoulo presid that thi that consider georg you hugh rodham condit stephanopoulo noth chang georg week mubarak stephanopoulo unclear you tonight tomorrow morn mubarak visit for easter stephanopoulo not that can you addit aid russia that presid plan congress stephanopoulo consult congress and partner coupl week that spoke last even congressman gephardt and deleg congression deleg meet russian thi week and consult will continu week you expect that packag magnitud announc sundai stephanopoulo not discuss magnitud list cold war restrict you stand that stephanopoulo presid yesterdai for that list congress thi week and review believ and thi week and review list and hard make mean white hous involv congress compil thi list stephanopoulo talk congression leader compil list research work georg isn lift arm embargo probabl possibl stephanopoulo that discuss secretari christoph that matter time and for month that happen stephanopoulo can that that presid review work alli sanction resolut and continu review matter georg can you schedul thi week travel stephanopoulo ask that don tomorrow visit mubarak consult georg jewish american organ jackson vanick stephanopoulo you nation confer soviet jewri list stephanopoulo you nation confer soviet jewri list refusenik that and continu discuss
talk.politics.misc	clinton presid remark trip baltimor white hous offic press secretari for releas april remark presid rout camden yard for oriol open dai game marc train rout camden yard edt presid you jess jackson protest todai presid inform protest fine owner put statement dai ago step you effort increas minor ownership and minor increas manag encourag don baylor appoint colorado and time make move that front legitim issu and inform picket and not attempt peopl not game good you move fast presid that good step and you movement and issu that deserv attent and give and that reverend jackson will highlight issu fine presid logjam senat econom stimulu plan you break that and clotur presid don work mean classic articl paper todai paper pretti sum you thi polit power plai senat major not rule not countri not not hous minor choos can stop major rule and that lot republican senat told peopl that vote for stimulu program enorm partisan polit pressur not and mean that thi time job creat even econom recoveri mean that for polit purpos will deni job place baltimor and dalla and houston and pittsburgh and philadelphia and portland and seattl sad mean block grant program design creat job hurri base local prioriti and that republican had champion democrat champion program peopl grassroot level governor and senat real sad that chosen exert minor muscl that will american work mistak press you end edt
talk.politics.misc	wait for evid cramer articl mortalc wxln netcom mortal netcom sam lowri write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl mar ration kima excalibur ration kim althoff write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write gai men constitut child molest whether thi gai molest unusu common unusu high number victim sort miss point doesn mean that whichev case homosexu men remark hazard children clayton you incorrect recent survei data can find show that molest exclus homosexu bisexu victim male and femal and remaind exclus heterosexu you that child molest commit heterosexu cannot correl you cite bisexu heterosexu sinc conclud that homosexu you will molest children that homosexu you will propens for molest children haven that homosexu child molest simpli that like molest homosexu you concern creat relat two you had evid that molest commit homosexu you find relationship realtionship you make that shown nambla march gai parad reason peopl molest human sexual and psych class overwhelm voic that peopl commit act power trip and feel control thi noth sexual orient you mean that power trip noth sexual orient mortal netcom clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	loathesom subject articl panix roi panix roi radow write degre sensit awar concern horrend amount child abus that exist thi countri critic factor whether sexual activ forc child forc damag hand consensu relationship found posit experi for concern roi radow roi panix rutger cmcl panix roi north american man boi love associ for packet contain sampl quot mark roi can that legitim concern that word distort context that appropri newspeak style read your comment excus assum that you claim that child abus forc sexual activ and damag caus thi exist greatli overblown posit experi paul elliott member good stand optilink mafia paul elliott dsc optilink petaluma usa uunet pyramid tekbspa optilink elliott elliott optilink us indecis not
talk.politics.misc	roe wade articl xawp tak watson ibm margoli watson ibm larri margoli write apr ncsu edu dsh eceyv ncsu edu doug holtsing write abort destruct fetu permit even birth promot suprem court call health doug that roe wade prevent state prohibit abort preserv life health woman stupid peopl such confus discuss mental health relat jane doe mental institut and attempt claim that thi argument appli woman decid want abort bad hair dai you fact that trimest abort perform thi countri annual and for health reason larri margoli margoli yktvmv bitnet margoli watson ibm internet hmmm human gestat period week that mean trimest abort week consult world almanac that abort week that abort week number abort perform drop dramat lot abort and week you wrong roe wade allow state adopt broad prohibit trimest abort state such california declin report that final stop trimest elect abort bai area wasn law that hospit ran nurs doctor will not surprisingli bai area chapter terribl upset thi remain pro choic pro choicer compar abort clinic religi ritual church you start wonder bit pro life critic abort modern human sacrific doesn grain truth clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	ag consent child molest articl zlj bun queernet org rogerk queernet org roger klores articl optilink walsh optilink mark walsh write nambla presenc gai pride parad quit bit that parad organ want show support for nambla fundament misunderstand right and respons dozen exampl nambla glare perhap exclus gai perotista gai pride parad make that had clue thi regard dozen exampl don mark walsh walsh optilink uunet optilink walsh amateur radio aol bigcooki aol uscf worri william gain gonna crush you andr giant
talk.politics.misc	ag consent child molest articl cpp panix roi panix roi radow write optilink walsh optilink mark walsh write note that nambla not present gai parad nation view thi isol event troubl reccur hope not hate for get involv thi discuss felt oblig thing factual accur last year nambla march pride parad boston york and san francisco not time particip parad and will not last march nambla conting york year for decad you for correct error post net thi inform newspap articl that fuzzi mind can similar outcri nambla presenc parad york and boston liber molest mark north american micro biolog laboratori associ for packet contain sampl bulletin public list and membership inform send postag note sometim darndest thing squelch desir flame live daylight for belief and associ genial phil mark walsh walsh optilink uunet optilink walsh amateur radio aol bigcooki aol uscf worri william gain gonna crush you andr giant
talk.politics.misc	thought commerci advertis not allow sma voder nsc matt galaxi nsc matt freivald write articl talk polit misc margoli watson ibm larri margoli write suggest that legal preced defin human person right protect constitut and law function brain you want us legal preced you model penal code state base crimin code apolog unclear not start statutori debat sinc case conflict statut book suggest paradigm that make sens for pro choicer imho and point that legal preced defin human refer born your suggest incorrect point unborn child human parent respons parent children and parent can forc suppli bodili resourc children even save child life confus action and inact parent not run front bu save child life parent requir feed children confus bodili resourc constitut blood transfus and organ donat involv bodili resourc your exampl not larri margoli margoli yktvmv bitnet margoli watson ibm internet
talk.politics.misc	heterosexu kaldi romulu rutger edu theodor kaldi write agre folk admit michael adam starowl rahul net champaign southeast thrush believ two parti system master and slave napoleon solo man
talk.politics.misc	top ten reason not aid russian juli eddi jpl nasa gov juli kanga write articl encor rcollin encor roger collin write juli eddi jpl nasa gov juli kanga write don want send aid russia conserv nixon vocal give monei russia make proud libertarian appear conserv and liber prefer cold war you win nurs enemi back health for anoth enemi sound that viewpoint stereotyp redneck conserv commi will enemi sarcast interventionist want suggest you listen carefulli stuff yeltsin and peopl and compar that anti west slogan come oppon russian congress want back back forc back point gun you consid interventionist polici market reform happen russia will privat capit privat risk economi will even incent for reason don reform govern will enemi and spend monei hurt ideolog point want win russia type govern type ruler can rule limit financ subsid wealthi countri japan germani etc free defens and trade war econom competit subsid tobacco farmer pai bureaucrat pursuad peopl not smoke degener into civil war rememb nuclear weapon russia cannot imagin that not us civil war nationialist and even prevent civil war feel back larg part land that countri ukrain cannot imagin ukrain give land fight possibl nuclear thi affect planet and vast track europ blown feel massiv breakup countri that span planet bound affect humanitarian argument that democraci democraci struggl democraci billion gift that import couldn rais voluntarilli peopl give billion year chariti law pass prevent govern stupid frivil thing monei constitut suppos that legitim constitut power feder govern take monei paycheck and needi countri opinion stupid two aid russia and strong space program will champion welfar educ studi drunken goldfish that republ and not true democraci gridlock massiv scale gridlock congression scale gridlock scale aid russia expens space program nation chariti that doesn poor and studi drunken goldfish limit govern kei democrat btw decid stupid thi want impos moral sort thing thought libertarian that opinion and libertarian big free speech polit pretti libertarian thi issu and thi imposs for join parti that libertarian want withdraw rest world and sink swim you pretti libertarian thi issu you libertarian compromis monei your fellow russia aider give russia you oppos weren govern machin steal monei you and your group for you don support that year ago not peopl that for hundr year not begin global economi and global decis make reason depend free market can effici process inform depend ruler for decis complex issu juli disclaim opinion belong cat and roger collin sometim that man cannot trust govern can trust govern found angel form king govern histori answer thi question thoma jefferson inaugur address
talk.politics.misc	not concentr child molest cramer optilink clayton cramer write you mean larg part popul support discrimin homosexu will injur larg part popul support such discrimin that law pass addit anti discrimin law includ homo and bisexu assum politician listen peopl come ration argument variat bigotri logic sometim prevail btw glad that you admit sexual attract children seper sexual orient didn you had that honesti toni quirk wellington zealand quirk kosmo wcc govt usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
talk.politics.misc	top ten comment overheard secret servic loung croaker highlit franci nei write don want clinton assasin that make martyr jfk deal end term offic disgrac watch liber democrat friend staff run thi nation toilet assum that riot fortnight don for wai run thing bad reagan and bush didn riot bush dump spotti year pope charl slack time popec unkapha jpunix william barwel unka pha thingi houston bi bi
talk.politics.misc	not concentr child molest cramer optilink clayton cramer write liber gov wilder veto show that liber don give damn person for job power plai women interest cloth and shop white imperialist coloni fascist black lazi uneduc scum men rapist homosexu support child molest slogan dear cramer not adequ substitut for thought toni quirk wellington zealand quirk kosmo wcc govt usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
talk.politics.misc	hate crime law thf kimbark uchicago edu ted frank write articl apr new acn nwu edu dmeier casbah acn nwu edu dougla meier write articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write articl apr new acn nwu edu dmeier casbah acn nwu edu dougla meier write beat homosexu charg for assault and batteri add gai bash list isn thi sort doubl jeopardi fascist deter epidem gai bash that not deter assault law make beat homosexu illeg beat straight and advoc that hate crime law aim motiv act premedit homicid treat stricter heat passion homicid you into troubl for exampl crime violenc not hate crime question you hate anoth gang member person you hate differnt color realist declar that crime hate wors crime gross neglig random drive shoot can hate crime shooter doesn hit shoot into crowd not doubl jeopardi singl act lead multipl charg and multipl crime you meant current mutat constitut current polic state charg multipl time for act victim question shade singl act never merit charg set bomb world trade center can charg murder and not death and extens properti damag bomb singl act heard todai that good chanc that york bomber thi mean capit punish secondli doubl jepardi govern you for murder etc sovereign essenti chanc singl fact pattern such world trade center bomb that bomber will probabl for death properti damag conspiraci onc discov rodnei king case two sovereign can you twice for crime bruce hayden bhayden csn org
talk.politics.misc	tie abort health reform clinton nut articl lnrb zola esd sgi sgi write vengeanc that deterr serv deter execut futur crimin activ yeah yeah yeah and nice didn appli death penalti disproportion minor revisit opinion death penalti white for black hell freez don you compar rate black and white commit crime black commit crime disproportion perfectli fair penal system black disproportion repres note black white crime rate not racial thing econom thing poor peopl like commit crime and black like poor reduc proport minor prison increas wealth minor tim smith
talk.politics.misc	govern sanction sacrileg william decemb starr write typic lawyer bait fashion usual ignor principl aclu good your wd sure ring that you you can spin explet left worth respond cyru achi breaki heart infinitum koresh surrend rest state texa total depopul for effort heard folk live foghorn and airport erect invert cross star david broken asund front davidian provok boom islam prayer wors templ you destroi book you burn will you kill clergi will you mock spirit god innoc not charact creatur state btw you happi your presid you govern respect for faith and respect for live and innoc children caught thi hell you creat respect your lipservic rule law rule law respect for religi faith part children and line connect your cult faith rule matter crimin and crimin side matter convict not worth abus you caus abus specif concern children you will ignor children heap abus insult and sacrileg children insid davidian hous god rebuk you you learn directli lord corrupt you commit god good time and lord judg you can not for truth told send you straight hell and god send you fuck you and god you rode stephen you can show legitimaci god claim sovereignti man stop rant and rave william decemb starr wdstarr athena mit edu interest that you respond emotion defens govern beat heart for record biggest baddest gover earth claim sovereignti man can god hell omnipot logic determin that allow and send mean thing mere human concept come wd bother flimsi facad logic waco prove not need demonstr that govern can walk rule name justic made problem note and announc for record give govern ment due and get back worthwhil govern concern stephen
talk.politics.misc	clinton background brief vancouv white hous offic press secretari vancouv british columbia background brief senior administr offici april canada place vancouv british columbia pst folk start background brief aid packag senior administr offici good morn presid presid clinton and presid yeltsin agre yesterdai seri american initi support econom and polit reform russia and valu billion take your question and run basic outlin thi packag want make point thi maximum that clinton administr can fund support russian reform fund alloc and appropri congress for administr back congress fund program fiscal year fund effect program can begin tomorrow second point that thi packag design support russian reform initi packag direct reform and for benefit and work prior consult russian govern presid determin that will deliv commit thi year packag design maxim abil support reform design want avoid make commit that not meet and feel confid that can meet commit front you fourth note special import trade and invest fair that russia capit and technolog decad extend into hundr billion dollar collect govern can meet privat sector can and presid and presid yeltsin agre make trade and invest major prioriti relationship agre that joint commiss energi and space form head side vice presid gore russian side prime minist chernomyrdin and goal thi effort break barrier trade and invest side and promot vastli expand relationship help prepar run page summari assist and give you gener background program quickli and glad question group initi humanitarian food and medic assist thi part effort underwai for year provid basic humanitarian grant food assist that russian govern can assur minim amount bread shelv major citi that million grant that food for progress grant portion food for progress continu grant assist medicin and pharmaceut suppli and that million second item concession food sale you unit state had long term grain relationship russia import and import russia that continu that relationship presid chosen food for progress program concession loan program month million concession term exact term not work fair will grace period princip six year and concession rate thereaft for life deal program collect privat sector support thi import thing privat and creation small busi number prioriti reform govern moscow and presid decid creat russian american enterpris fund capit thi year million and goal thi fund make direct loan small busi russia equiti posit busi presid decid creat privat fund work directli russian govern prioriti object convert state enterpris state own basi privat basi agre presid agre establish eurasia foundat thi privat foundat led promin american fund democrat project russia fourth group you summari page democrat fair that thi administr impetu goal pursu democrat russia you that total million program program detail tabl give indic program that launch presid call for develop democraci corp will overarch umbrella group incorpor dispar privat and public effort underwai unit state support reform russia program you russian offic resettl thi initi creat and conceptu thi administr thi demonstr project work russian militari resettl russian offic return baltic state and part soviet union want make that work that whether russian labor and russian materi prefab american construct and decid fund demonstr basi construct hous unit work close russian militari thi and that long term commit thi project sixth area energi environ two issu that presid feel strongli initi effort will feasibl studi into possibl enhanc energi product oil and ga and equal import cut leakag oil and ga pipelin system environment damag talk bit trade and invest group creat that vice presid will chair side secretari ron brown will cochair deputi prime minist shohkin busi develop committe will work sector economi break barrier that exist and imped trade and invest appoint full time invest ombudsman american govern work thi problem full time and point make trade and invest bit import draw analog arm reduct and and thought that thi need make commit govern peopl work senior peopl full time basi terribl import you notic that unit state support russia membership gatt russia had observ statu russia request support and fact request advic member gatt that long term goal draw russia into global economi paramount import goal and that support membership gatt support access gsp gener system prefer you note that extend million credit for caterpillar deal siberia that opic extend million credit and loan guarante for conoco oil project emphas that close agreement russia and unit state for billion framework facil bank that financ russian purchas american oil and ga equip and servic thi import develop april open dai tokyo confer confer question defer colleagu will review secur assist object you senior administr offici major unfinish agenda russian and counterpart ukrain kazakhstan and belaru area safe and secur dismantl nuclear arsen territori term start and start agreement recent complet moscow import agreement that devot signific chunk nunn lugar fund import program program million for strateg nuclear deliveri vehicl dismantl program that for submarin for icbm dismantl and for bomber dismantl million second million tranch fund for construct facil store nuclear materi remov warhead dismantl thi will essenti contribut design and earli phase construct that storag facil and final million tranch monei establish monitor system for nuclear materi withdrawn weapon system add that million total extant nunn lugar assist flow million for safeti improv for kind equip and safeti measur that work russian last coupl year thi area will lot work not russian ukrainian kazhak and belarussian belaru for exampl last coupl week receiv million fund for safeti secur and dismantl program belarussian territori and thi wake ratif start agreement acced npt work hard parti lisbon protocol and will continu work hard and recent agreement russia import step that 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primari object come into thi summit highlight not econom agenda trade and invest and refer point made begin convinc talk thi problem problem support russia long term convinc that collect western govern financi resourc decad fuel continu reform that privat sector can that societi and tremend capabl resourc oil and ga sector good match russian financi invest exist oil and ga well and pipelin and technolog and capit financ product that russian govern told and that made such major emphasi that trade and invest promin issu dai talk and fact figur promin last night meet presid yeltsin and presid clinton and hope that togeth send strong signal american busi commun that support effort invest russia that unit state and opec and depart commerc will support question yeltsin posit deliv make russia senior administr offici note that presid yeltsin prime minist chernomyrdin work for year russian oil and ga sector will chair high level commiss vice presid vice presid gore break barrier that exist 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commit that thi demonstr project figur settl offic that presid impetu agenc broadli can democrat experi and compar advantag that lend russian experi and call for creation democraci corp anoth initi hope that can resourc privat sector american govern achiev that object not character that and you career civil servant last administr familiar last administr and character thi clinton assist packag for russia lot critic that aid past not peopl thi ombudsman that will guarante that thi monei will not disappear administ russian govern senior administr offici that that presid and senior offici govern concern that american monei spent wise and that sourc that intend for intend and great care aid and state depart will great care make that fund expend properli and that reach sourc not that thi packag not simpli packag support sole russian govern project democrat and exchang work directli russian privat individu busi privat enterpris support anoth exampl that senior administr offici add word thi 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that measur alter packag that you senior administr offici thi packag work and readi two week ago sinc consult russian govern final stage develop and thi weekend primarili talk futur unit state and western countri can support reform russia base object notic that you that monei appropri train banker and businessmen and offic can you job train for worker displac privat senior administr offici you program train russian young russian bank and financi servic unit state part hous initi not build hous unit retrain russian offic retir into profess monei for job train for worker job disappear privat senior administr offici not alloc monei for that not million build hous unit isn that lot monei per unit western dollar will bui soviet union senior administr offici you want hous not build framework hous you util you purchas land you sewag and ga and electr and and retrain not put retir offic come riga tallin vilniu hous western russia oblig retrain offic thi respond request russian govern million will retrain senior administr offici that you talk apart build singl senior administr offici talk singl individu dwell you that famili will serv thi senior administr offici want thought point earlier thi demonstr project didn want experi that german and turk and italian had build hous western russian not want leap into huge amount monei want work coupl month and figur american organ privat sector thi job note that long term commit that and expect that put lot monei into thi futur want wise want spend monei wise thi program that convinc you that will protect russia reform and that russia will posit back monei suppos pai back debt problem senior administr offici import note that unit state not capabl fuel continu russian reform collect western effort and alli that russian that decid fate reform can simpli plai role and feel oblig consist nation interest presid that contribut that creat secur and prosper for unit state thi program that thi senior administr offici you back fundament object polici russia and that want can support continu reform convinc that reform stai power continu drawdown nuclear forc foreign polici cooper and econom interact benefit unit state reform russia not simpl question you can that thi program answer long term question and make long term commit and question russia abil repai convinc you pai year senior administr offici russian govern made commit repai and hope that reform continu and can continu improv oil and ga sector and earn addit hard currenc revenu that russia will posit six year pai back loan substanti govern govern loan into russian senior administr offici don want answer authorit that don back year thi last year previou that financ grain export ensur privat bank loan thi type effort govern loan sector that you recal wasn senior administr offici fair thi and uniqu effort end pdt
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talk.politics.misc	debat special hate crime law articl apr midwai uchicago edu thf midwai uchicago edu thi sort separ treatment law place equal societi solut fact that class vulner attack discrimin respons imbal crimin activ and citizen protect alloc law enforc resourc effici and effect deal problem not rewrit law wdstarr you feel increas penalti for kill policeman feder employe us scalia and steven exampl increas penalti for threaten presid assum that good peopl you oppos marit exempt for rape won bring that order your question oppos oppos oppos and huh wha that topic come and discuss hand discuss concept crimin law for crime class peopl and law mandat enhanc penalti convict base convict attitud class membership victim fit into that categori categori class had mind that standard civil right discuss class base race gender ethnic religion sexual orient etc you class base profess person characterist caught guard and had question scratch final decid that law not recogn such class formal and offici declar peopl worth and that anathema underli american concept equal treatment law last year feder crime bill consider expand feder death penalti addit fifti crime includ murder feder offic hitherto not protect that aura deterr critic point absurd law made death penalti for murder feder postal inspector not for ther murder civilian teacher arguabl provid valueabl servic and greater loss societi thi emotion compel argument even propon that viewpoint appear tacitli assum that state judg live valuabl basi contribut societi view that doctrin person repugn and repugn equal protect claus amend accordingli that law give profess base class peopl special protect mechan suppli stronger statutori deterr crime member that class not even polic offic feder offic high rank member execut branch feder govern william decemb starr wdstarr athena mit edu
talk.politics.misc	mail hill that clinton can mail wonder congress line address reach for bill mail address mail not regualar reader thi newsgrouop
talk.politics.misc	govern mandat energi conserv unnecessari and wast studi find articl vzu newsserv technet ipser solomon technet ipser write govern mandat energi conserv unnecessari and wast studi find agre thi post point mi direct standard live popul densiti and industri structur control for unit state energi effici japan and energi effici group nation and control for usag oil ga etc energi effici countri turn ident popul densiti exampl reduc energi us transport sure concentr popul dens urban area thi disadvantag possibl even relat energi us fact that japan forc thi natur countri not not mean that peopl unabl thi suffici motiv conserv energi radford neal
talk.politics.misc	damn ferign articl apr mcgill musica mcgill write mark anthoni young pp american special legal statu base mere accid birth peopl born can becom presid and sinc parliament theoret replac queen want even ferign law dimens restict law regard birth privileg thi not theoret note ferign william iii import holland kick local boi jame provid basi for denoument film introduc errol flynn world love interest olivia havilland flynn film exercis for movi buff film thi exercis for movi buff film view express theodor kaldi you kaldi remu rutger edu that major univers rutger remu rutger edu kaldi thi hold such view
talk.politics.misc	stop put white het male late repli your tirad and inaapropri board call great thing white male contribut societi mean mass genocid theft idea and cultur creat and perptrat histor li throughouttim horribl activ cultur upsid and downsid that white male extrem ignor qualifi for you not disregard and western cultur thing that activ classifi thing good bad worthi unworthi dig can slaveri and manipul and destruct american indian civil noth selfish act that benefit group peopl and not even women respect regard equal ain that stuff white men not specif lot case wack wack concept world serv purpos david koresh histori shortsight thi excus predjud ignor white men associ withb god cultur ignor arrog assum such posit and manipul and mislead peopl hmmm your histori book sinc that histori written glorifi exploit white men you find li awww that thi noth sex thi board continu thi discuss mail and can compar and contrast idea conflict educ communc good worth apolog thought thi sex prompt respons found dave lewi friski hand man
talk.politics.misc	suppli side revenu articl newsserv technet ipser solomon technet ipser write result that clinton hope reduc deficit level reagan left offic amount bush congress ad not inconsider achiev subject that suppli side claim that reduc tax rais revenu fals typic factor socsec tax rais consider amount time that incom tax cut you incom tax revenu alon fell cut began and didn recov for year record deficit entrench chew that awhil crunch crunch steve soar
talk.politics.misc	formal rebutt presumpt jurisdict kaldi romulu rutger edu theodor kaldi write articl apr midwai uchicago edu thf kimbark uchicago edu ted frank write you not breath clean air provid govern regul thi doesn beat heard mouth mindset ted frank and statist argu address substanc statist polit correct bill
talk.politics.misc	suppli side econom polici articl pyramid pyramid pcollac pyrnova mi pyramid paul collacchi write articl ufk gqu wbke andrew cmu edu ashish andrew cmu edu ashish arora write excerpt netnew sci econ apr suppli side econom not boomer desir wrig deficit declin reach low gnp tax and spend hike revers trend brett thi true detail appreci cheer not brett post data previous declin rememb percent increas deficit growth rate growth deficit deriv total deficit respect time decreas you defin nth deriv debt last time ask you disappear and deficit that gnp number post previou post brett appar numb into think that deficit declin cute paul number you foolish you spend you earn deficit grow paul confus deficit debt you borrow lesser rate you borrow previous deficit increas you decreas deficit your incom exce spend and you us differ pai debt not term gnp univers accept measur deficit rigor economist argument brilliant confirm data common sens boom noth govern polici suppli side polici sinc tax not econom activ peopl econom activ can semant lindsei prove tax make peopl chang econom activ debat whether gun bullet person kill explain watch popul wave roll year and creat cycl made model and predict for year into middl centuri will neat accur whether thi gentleman can win prais lindsei brett noth passion vest interest disguis intellectu convict sean casei white plagu frank herbert
talk.politics.misc	suppli side econom polici david stockman articl ufk gqu wbke andrew cmu edu ashish arora ashish andrew cmu edu write excerpt netnew sci econ apr suppli side econom not boomer desir wrig deficit declin reach low gnp tax and spend hike revers trend brett thi true detail appreci billion dollar gnp year gnp receipt outlai deficit debt unempl admin carter carter carter carter reagan reagan reagan reagan reagan reagan reagan reagan bush bush bush sourc statist abstract version american almanac version univers almanac version inform almanac version graphic deficit gnp gnp iron bush frozen spend tax pledg and balanc budget brett noth passion vest interest disguis intellectu convict sean casei white plagu frank herbert
talk.politics.misc	loathesom subject ppjruinnhnt elroi jpl nasa gov carlo beowulf jpl nasa gov carlo carrion write articl panix roi panix roi radow write thi not impli that relationship youth and adult exploit and abus critic factor whether sexual activ forc whether activ that consensu agre and freeli engag peopl involv child forc damag hand wholeheartedli agre consensu relationship found posit experi for concern find thi hard care convinc carlo not check scientif research that thi area and convinc research world that issu coercion critic factor for interest research topic can suggest england constantin unit state and sandfort netherland sandfort research for quot boi involv relationship children and sex find perspect larri constantin floyd martinson ed brown boston boi contact men theo sandfort global academ publish elmhurst york perspect paedophilia brian taylor batsford academ educ london paedophilia factual report frit bernard enclav rotterdam netherland sexual experi men and boi parker rossman mauric templ smith middlesex great britain children sexual encount adult west woodhous gerald duckworth london liber roi roi radow roi panix rutger cmcl panix roi north american man boi love associ for packet contain sampl bulletin public list and membership inform send postag nambla info dept box midtown station nyc
talk.politics.misc	hard time invest subject articl tecsun tec armi mil rigg descart etl armi mil bill rigg write mother law grew germani doesn monei start real estat develop and rais hors tell that inflat come back and lock fix rate mortgag low time hard can bank select call mortgag loan earli bank fold can creditor call loan
talk.politics.misc	urgent ted frank want for kill teel account that import issu and not import discuss net daili basi inform feel import thing that discuss and censorship fellow poster peopl don think post teel not agre content somewhat interest for great live thought countri peopl teel allow don wan read can skip unsuscrib peopl cannot live and live feel overwhelm snuff bastard that teel will due brother and cheif net polic ted frank teel regain net post access and correct thi injustic you ted hit list your thought correct your account safe your sysadmin contact thought polic thought nlg and aclu support peopl divers opinion not read forward messag teel that you understand thi vial act for forward newsgroup alt activ alt conspiraci talk polit misc misc legal subject offic ted frank thought polic badg number nwo summari ted win argument kill oppon expir distribut organ univers colorado boulder keyword nwo ted frank eck panix mark eckenwil and thf kimbark uchicago edu ted frank account 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hundr respons peopl for info you send such and such your post interest and handful awai guess fact that decid not wast time convinc ted net offens such magnitud warrant messag complain knock knock name ted and and thi mark thought polic you pretti danger idea and confisc nwo guess will back draw board and come plan ted and mike hope you happi will for dai and that folk your comment and support request can longer post new thi accomplish benefit make altern view simpli vanish not book easiest win argument make oppos side shut imag waco ala and thi process type letter tax collector that lien remov due letter that wrote challeng jurisdict take time come info request and get start note that ted frank accus publicli time nwo support and never made statement contrari ted frank motiv for get ax that peopl get paid collect info peopl net that interest govern and ted person interest debunk hmmm work for univers chicago attend biggest nwo support and final find account boulder denver area greatli 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talk.politics.misc	new you miss arf genesi mc jack schmidl write articl pprtvinnctl aludra usc edu sgoldst aludra usc edu fogbound child write arf genesi mc jack schmidl write articl apr rapnet sander lockhe babb scott babb write jack schmidl arf genesi mc wrote jac virginia edu jonathan cook jac write you restrict your condemn racial strife israel situat bosnia tibet china etc not merit your comment awar not close billion dollar not exagger notic you not offer altern number thi for size year american taxpay will israel dollar for star milki galaxi will you number admit hard data thi don you thi you compil comment list grant repaid loan and direct aid interest you give refer for exampl congression budget author hear and happi post verif your data hand thi won suffici time end thi month result delai you interest thi samuel mossad special agent media spike and mind control divis lo angel offic pratic safe signatur prevent danger signatur virii guildenstern name shout dawn messag summon moment begin miss
talk.politics.misc	defens detractor articl apr colorado edu ajteel dendrit colorado edu teel write articl tdab panix eck panix mark eckenwil write apr colorado edu ajteel dendrit colorado edu sez thought you found mean refut respond substant point and inform refut patent absurd your belov great book speak for your ignor show mark don you read post and show silver bulletin wrong expos corrupt and fraud govern you feel that wonder state nifti and sweet fine you expos corrupt and fraud prevent juri question don reassert your open statement for dark wrote teel sysadmin note that wast bandwidth post ident messag long newsgroup independ cross post and improperli us post advertis good for sale request post group and get delet good for sale method show sourc and obtain info and messag question retriev entireti net simpli repost year ago complaint had post articl newsweek post address and subscript price subscript info for american law review bit doubl standard yeah indic that happen edit reader care will note that complaint append below expressli disclaim suppress teel post infantil irrat and tediou name call mark that your shot reason for your send that letter had noth your opinion inform your motiv interest poor user not speak for weren talk attempt censorship funni your percept for want term not feedback that get email and outnumb interest hear respond parti for intent slave you you rememb you heard that tribut dai april not amend taxpay slave ssn holder etc you for discuss purpos don ir thi teel and refer ucc made pari materia common law right recours and remedi and note time care count like stand court twenti ten color glossi pictur stockbridg mass polic for us evid arlo guthri alic restaur awar plead guilti litter fine and told pick garbag daniel reitman not write deed case involv construct convey grante jointli tenant common equal right and interest land and survivor thereof fee simpl and hold parti hereto equal jointli tenant common equal right and interest for period term live and survivor thereof death court held that survivorship provis intent creat joint tenanc germain delain ala
talk.politics.misc	bill conklin letter articl apr midwai uchicago edu thf kimbark uchicago edu ted frank write articl apr colorado edu ajteel dendrit colorado edu teel write two nifti letter give concret proof that incom tax voluntari and give specif procedur for stop withhold cetera for refut date nai sayer final defeat hear reason for disbelief thi point you respond refut post teel bad you post thi even wors that you don even defend get torn piec post that look and gloat fact point contrari point sever delud mind found interest conklin letter case won ir assum that case exist and check noth major tax claim ir fought deduct defend your deduct puni you that file place bernard silver gte laboratori bsilver gte
talk.politics.misc	not concentr child molest articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write law propos for virginia that extend thi philosophi cigarett smoker that peopl smoke work couldn discrimin employ liber gov wilder veto show that liber don give damn person for job power plai clayton ignor fact that employ pai health insur and insur for smoker expens for smoker greg hennessi univers virginia usp mail astronomi depart charlottesvil usa internet gsh virginia edu uunet virginia gsh
talk.politics.misc	hilter and homosexu cramer optilink clayton cramer write ericsc apz netcom eric netcom eric smith write gsmith lauren iwr uni heidelberg gene smith write you that peopl vote for hitler and reich chancellor good part us bulli boi attack communist hitler not becom becom reich chancellor peopl vote for not you meant impli that not thought bring that hitler chancellor peopl vote for polit parti that not huge differ parliamentari system your statement common misconcept isn true german weimar system chancellor not necessarili leader largest reichstag parti chancellor appoint presid and gener leader coalit parti form effect major reichstag that implic that hitler rose chancellorship major german want nazi rule fals presid hindenburg appoint hitler chancellor januari german peopl not show desir led hitler nazi parti result march elect for presid closest hitler direct elect hindenburg hitler thaelmann duesterberg runoff elect april result hindenburg hitler thaelmann can that hitler person support german voter similarli nazi parti never receiv vote reichstag elect that occur juli novemb elect nazi lost two million vote and seat reichstag comparit socialist had and communist communist had gain seat and german nation parti had support previou govern had pick million nazi lost vote gain seat larg parti cathol center parti don seat had declin and numer small parti nazi vote declin time hitler appoint chancellor brought hitler power not demand german peopl for hitler nazi run thing inabl parti put differ favor form effect govern for countri germani not endur democrat tradit and parliamentari system lack effect center parti that favor interest major popul had number small parti unabl put specif object order combin nazi end democrat process fact part problem that parti substanti represent communist end democrat process result mind and gener didn mind parliamentari democraci germani had had nazi chancellor major coalit for month nazi had largest reichstag parti and danger revolut favor nazi nazi start desper had fail support make hitler presid and popular vote had begun declin hitler not hindenburg choic chancellor not even second choic von papen had chancellor sinc june novemb elect nazi lost seat hindenburg prevail von papen remain chancellor intrigu back and support for lack hindenburg turn von schleicher chancellor for two month eventu unabl hold togeth work coalit parti oppos nazi refus particip govern that not led nazi chancellor nazi leadership gregor strasser man parti time want particip coalit govern know parti support wane figur that hope gain power lai undermin democrat process nevertheless countri govern for month chancellor not nazi even nazi largest reichstag parti failur men achiev work coalit due inabl coalit parti work togeth william shirer put rise and fall reich cardin error german oppos nazism failur unit crest popular strength juli nation socialist had attain percent vote percent german peopl express opposit hitler divid and shortsight combin common danger overwhelm unit temporarili stamp true german peopl support hitler chancellor that doesn chang fact that not overwhelm support for power german peopl not cry for hitler matter bad econom condit leftist parti socialist communist had support total nazi hitler us fact that passiv activ will govern paralyz mean take eric smith eric netcom eric infoserv
talk.politics.misc	econom stimulu pork articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write fact such list clinton packag present propos includ varieti recommend spend area and dollar amount not includ line line list project that fund congress includ such line item bill pass likewis prohibit spend for specif project amend bill such amend posit and neg point propos line item veto enhanc recis power for presid billion packag form block grant state and local thi ask enlighten you make claim not part thi program block grant state and citi mayor list reliv suggest contact your local offici read newspap good coverag congress washington post time you pai attent issu copi congression quarterli your librari your repres put you mail list for congression record free prepar invest time effort take watch even new read your local paper scarasm deserv sacrasm contact local offic congress rep senat watch even new new program and span addit cherri pick that mayor list congression republican select list project varieti feder agenc base appar silli name project sound not even bother correl potenti expenditur agenc clinton bill potenti project agenc clear that effort make clinton potenti expenditur link project absurd name not equival tactic democrat reagan bush era fact that primetim abc had number repost such wast program that exist trueli intrest elimin debt remov deficit and pork realiz that tempt that govern hand clown dishonest such simplist analysi advanc public educ book written gov wast network new program time time devot segment thi and bill propos that significantli reduc expenditur touch extern program chang congress busi and make effic true blame easi spend monei clinton ran platform that not rais tax middl class pai for program propos program that not specif that count tax hike pai for ken edward bell northern research research triangl park email cnc bnr ham zbb opinion and not necessarili reflect view employ worker famili friend congress presid you call dad mom pretti busi chelsea clinton
talk.politics.misc	top ten comment overheard secret servic loung articl apr highlit croaker highlit franci nei presid unit state william jefferson clinton deal end term offic disgrac watch liber democrat friend staff run thi nation toilet tsk sure you don for democrat destroi belov countri your parti can trivial polit advantag that petti not that thi petti doesn extend senat notic bush presid hope and prai that wise couldn stand man decent job not mess and that small price pai for suffer anoth term republican control similarili you hope and prai that clinton good job even you won propos that destroi moon neatli solv that problem your blood pressur mark sach mb psuvm psu edu disclaim psu knew had opinion charg for
talk.politics.misc	top ten reason not aid russian articl duu encor rcollin encor roger collin write juli eddi jpl nasa gov juli kanga write suggest you listen carefulli stuff yeltsin and peopl and compar that anti west slogan come oppon russian congress want back back forc back point gun had back strongli earli doubt problem russian disillus democraci and reform felt rightli imo that west didn care yeltsin virtual promis massiv aid onc bush gorbi mania thi dismantl congress and call for elect aid didn come and didn make proper place and anti reform gain strength hide you consid interventionist polici market reform happen russia will privat capit privat risk economi will even incent for reason don reform govern will enemi and spend monei hurt don reform don give monei thi import interventionist approach thi bug libertarian sound hundr year time thi affect planet and vast track europ blown feel massiv breakup countri that span planet bound affect humanitarian argument that democraci democraci struggl democraci billion gift that import couldn rais voluntarilli peopl give billion year chariti despit wish libertarian thi societi and get farther libertarian perhap voluntari gift work had proper framework not face problem not year libertarian dream societi huge stumbl block trade alon chariti limit high tech export nasa can bui proton launch vehicl market great deal can obstacl fight aid you fight tear obstacl market and chariti face opinion stupid two aid russia and strong space program will champion welfar educ studi drunken goldfish that republ and not true democraci gridlock massiv scale gridlock congression scale gridlock scale aid russia expens space program nation chariti that doesn poor and studi drunken goldfish limit govern kei democrat limit govern primarili democrat due limit main question you transform state run economi and monolith govern into that even remot our btw sometim that govern opposit direct not painless and not easi simpli cannot wait proper govern never aid late btw decid stupid thi want impos moral sort thing thought libertarian that opinion and libertarian big free speech and excercis mine polit pretti libertarian thi issu and thi imposs for join parti that libertarian want withdraw rest world and sink swim you pretti libertarian thi issu you libertarian compromis monei your fellow russia aider give russia you oppos weren govern machin steal monei you and your group for you don support anoth problem transform libertarian societi not happen painlessli overnight noth current govern and societi and turn into minim govern and respons suffici populac that year ago not peopl that for hundr year didn nuclear weapon year ago instantan commun travel virtual anyplac earth dai not begin global economi and global decis make reason depend free market can effici process inform depend ruler for decis complex issu depend ruler free market and busi ruler emerg and will never repres opinion person planet check and balanc check govern get bound and check industri get bound put your hope benevol market put your hope benevol govern juli disclaim opinion belong cat and
talk.politics.misc	pedophilia law cramer optilink clayton cramer write hobb kzoo edu jami mccarthi write complet dive into abyss believ that queer world differ child molest advoc minor soc motss doesn even notic that start sentenc refer that million peopl irrelev you don want lump togeth group stop insist treat member group point even member that group ask treat such insist sexual orient not defin anti discrimin law that pass last year pedophilia isn sexual orient wait minut you claim for quit that pedophilia state law sexual orient your posit that law doesn specif exclud you damn happen gui nambla shirt appli dai care turn court and court rule that sexual orient defin homosexu heterosexu bisexu and that court decid that pedophilia sexual orient you busi silenc death pin turn that wholeheartedli support thi action wouldn nambla shirt despit fact that homosexu ly bastard black man appli for job bank bank decid base statist black person like steal monei and deni man job you support bank thi freedom support deletia deletia for exampl you oppos civil right act law that pass and sign governor peopl state california enact follow section purpos thi act codifi exist case law determin gai law student pacif telephon and telegraph cal and soroka dayton hudson corp cal app prohibit discrimin base sexual orient sec section ad labor code read section and prohibit discrimin dispar treatment term and condit employ base actual perceiv sexual orient thi section not appli religi associ corpor not organ for privat profit whether incorpor religi public benefit corpor for purpos thi act term sexual orient will defin section definit anywher run thi state congress acceler schedul jami mccarthi internet kzoo edu applelink mccarthi
talk.politics.misc	top ten comment overheard secret servic loung articl unkapha jpunix popec unkapha jpunix william barwel write croaker highlit franci nei write don want clinton assasin that make martyr jfk deal end term offic disgrac watch liber democrat friend staff run thi nation toilet assum that riot fortnight don for wai run thing bad reagan and bush didn riot bush dump spotti year pope charl slack time you stop watch and start read histori jason austin austin larc nasa gov
talk.politics.misc	conserv thi articl apr mnemosyn edu mcochran nyx edu mark cochran write kevin rotag org kevin darci write articl apr mnemosyn edu mcochran nyx edu mark cochran write restrict viabil term never medic defin physician can make reason stab determin whether fetu viabl not not qualifi perform abort kebbin show that not differ determin viabil individu fetu and provid univers accept medic definit viabil not discuss univers definit thi post mark refrain drag irrelev you agre statement physician unqualifi can determin viabil sinc that physician qualifi perform abort medic definit viabil emploi case case basi viabil rel easi determin and that good for law mark you whine that viabil isn defin purpos your whine serv kevin
talk.politics.misc	cb time poll health care altern articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write thought net interest select find york time cb new poll nation health care leav doug fierro enter entir articl choos follow select find paraphras permiss error mine not time time doesn make mistak poll result delet econom and polit ignor american can scari price control and govern intervent surest rout disast amaz peopl never learn histori common sens price control not and cannot work thought last experi dampen belief that price control can work for govern intervent peopl never ironi told that entitl biggest portion budget and control present horror stori wast and fraud almost govern agenc shown stori miser treatment veteran govern run hospit stori social secur isn cut futur that come surpris and peopl choos ignor that and fairi tale govern come rescu simpli amaz jame how internet jwh citi umich edu univers michigan uunet mailru citi umich edu jwh ann arbor
talk.politics.misc	top ten respons top ten list robi chopin udel edu scott robi write real question fed bail steve job chrysler that import manufactur job wouldn lost chrysler kid nearest thousand dollar govern spend bail chrysler you bzzzzzzzzzt wrong answer don wiggin german irish american success get you want lead scout for babi boomer happi want you internet wiggin osiri cso uiuc edu brother dave gardner
talk.politics.misc	urgent ted frank want for kill teel head true frank asham noth make gag peopl don respect right voic opinion idol lenni bruce onc comment that asshol time magazin advoc censorship materi time side cop and arrest bruce show routin cocksuck cop rush stage arrest time haven chang can lenni receiv todai polit correct arena heck even support neo nazi speak opinion and march street and frank make wisecrack anti semit jewish longtim member aipac and jnf and contribut apiec fine group regular contributor pro israel group can find support peopl arf speak and vomit propaganda want peopl base thi assumpt that frank write sysadmin request teel admonish thi not case herebi retract nasti direct not stand frank and trash amend philip stromer
talk.politics.misc	suppli side revenu tekig pen tek ssoar tekig pen tek steven soar write articl newsserv technet ipser solomon technet ipser write result that clinton hope reduc deficit level reagan left offic amount bush congress ad not inconsider achiev subject that suppli side claim that reduc tax rais revenu fals typic factor you hop talk polit misc wee chew thi gem for awhil challeng made name singl suppli sider thi for last week challeng unmet issu challeng you mob rule isn prettier mob call govern ain chariti you monei wilson theori rel you back relat mark wilson atlantaga ncr
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talk.politics.misc	suppli side econom polici david stockman articl newsserv technet ipser solomon technet ipser write detail that you seek that grahm rudman budget control work fact work that fed start cut pork bush and democrat togeth budget summit and replac grahm rudman histor grand compromis bush yea turn that gramm rudman sham fool voter into accept borrow and spend polici last year turn tax kill reagan expans and cap can expand economi charg trillion credit card big deal deficit spend expand economi short term long term shrink economi for numer reason prefer that taxpay had that trillion result that clinton hope reduc deficit level reagan left offic chew that awhil reagan had campaign promis balanc budget for bush clinton rais tax and reagan had balanc that puni carter deficit chew that awhil tom kimbal openconnect system lbj freewai suit dalla
talk.politics.misc	temper tantrum articl philc netcom phil netcom phil ronzon write articl apr cbnewsi att gadfli cbnewsi att gadfli write thi straight nice long rant peopl person respons for econom and social live sudden radic such guess respons for poor peopl lifestyl that work you that poor peopl dumb for reason for disintegr famili and support system gener thi nation poor don murphi brown jani joplin top sane person list you want gener vaunt cultur revolut for last chang for wors call relev valu educ hei good idea time you need real educ mean that for grant gener spoil and irrespons depress had creat mother and father that determin that kid not want for overboard and creat nation brat contrast two famou event juli apollo and woodstock group had larg number peopl that not feed and revert cultur level primit defec public etc and group assembl care and dispers damag death larg number drug problem wasn woodstock call biggest park lot histori reject societi and back natur parent car jason austin austin larc nasa gov
talk.politics.misc	tie abort health reform clinton nut apr ringer utsa edu sbooth lonestar utsa edu simon booth write articl apr wdl loral bard cutter ssd loral write sbooth lonestar utsa edu simon booth write sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write kill peopl death penalti and that cost even monei you complain thi extrem barbar justic death penalti and expens can execut mean rope cyanid for ga rifl and ammunit arm fire squad afford perhap lethal inject expens that case return effici method emploi past death penalti fairli inexpens trial and sentenc can run million strychnin you wanna cut cost skip trial and sentenc you murder rat bastard matter fact think that make system effici and murder rat bastard aboritionist yeah simon rat bastard head attack puppi simon tog
talk.politics.misc	tie abort health reform clinton nut apr ringer utsa edu sbooth lonestar utsa edu simon booth write articl bob co bob co bob blackshaw write apr wdl loral bard cutter ssd loral woodyatt write sbooth lonestar utsa edu simon booth write sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write kill peopl death penalti and that cost even monei you complain thi extrem barbar justic death penalti and expens can execut mean rope cyanid for ga rifl and ammunit arm fire squad afford perhap lethal inject expens that case return effici method emploi past death penalti fairli inexpens trial and sentenc can run million that assum attack puppi will grant peopl trial order and hell wast time that convict crimin get death sentenc directli hell not pass not collect judg laugh hei puppi you get bend dai wouldn miss your adolesc rave for world good laugh and simon tog
talk.politics.misc	homosexu articl apr new acn nwu edu dmeier casbah acn nwu edu dougla meier write articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write articl apr new acn nwu edu dmeier casbah acn nwu edu dougla meier write beat homosexu charg for assault and batteri add gai bash list isn thi sort doubl jeopardi fascist deter epidem gai bash that not deter assault law make beat homosexu illeg beat straight silli think that issu that peopl treat equal for straighten wrong bunch faggot tenderloin decid straight bash and select target heterosexu man and beat bloodi fuck charg feder law that exist violat civil right focu intent sexual orient and law appli nation govern retain make law suffici deter and punish crime civil right that behavior becom punish that even fact that last count gai not beat straight for sexual orient law get appli straight indulg feder govern judiciari enforc amend guarante equal protect law even take charg peopl violat read your constitut law broke back kkk harrass campaign strategi earli jail and for long that cut heart kkk rsw not doubl jeopardi singl act lead multipl charg and multipl crime you meant current mutat constitut current polic state charg multipl time for act victim question shade singl act never merit charg that almost cop acquit cruel and unusu punish charg and countri and and never mind thi mutat you call protect your butt you happen you wrong shade for tast can shown that motiv for assault you racial motiv full power extra law that bring charg and punish will come harm you us such law hundr year ago and constitut scholar convict recogn that thi reserv feder govern establish and not short live peculiar read constitut law for awhil you rsw dougla meier dmeier casbah acn nwu edu richard steven walz rstevew deeptht armori mapl street safe and free abort women santa cruz organ surrog unwant parasit real men never accept organ slaveri and will protect women
talk.politics.misc	homosexu articl apr mnemosyn edu mbond nyx edu mimi write articl apr new acn nwu edu dmeier casbah acn edu dougla meier write articl pkmo inng senat bedfellow mit edu wdstarr athena mit william decemb starr write and differ make homosexu not treat equal heterosexu ey law doesn matter compris overwhelm major popul and doesn matter numer infinitesim minor and make differ shove fals number throa shouldn high prioriti minor group inflat number order justifi right claim de rve extra privileg for beat homosexu charg for assault and batteri add gai bash list isn thi sort doubl jeopardi fascist dougla meier thi space for rent northwestern univers acn thi univers commi lib pinko view dmeier casbah acn nwu edu you thought issu beat homosexu black person etc crime special shit beat race and sexual orient crime you pick crime commit opposit sex race sexual orient thi form favor group group hmm mean that crime commit peopl treat that peopl prejudic peopl and perhap hate crime law punish bastard appropri person commit crime wealthi protest white wealthi protest white treat lower level isn thi discrimin wealthi white person hmm input black person sort stori fellow black persecut and beat race thi tear crime white white treat heinou crime respond hear view ther ciao mimi feder govern us such law mutlipl charg order prevent crime nromal occur two peopl piss each feder govern interest intent perpetr pursuit prevent violat civil right broke back klan put lot peopl for long time for harrass black specif principl that recogn constitution valid sinc year ago us whenev select group get bash harrass person for part minor made defeat south stick civil war peopl harrass free black wouldn find harrass walk expediti and jail for year want anymor amend guarante equal protect law law can us multipl crime and sever penalti involv intent need protect even human that hate minor can call nation guard for school girl alabama desegreg and presid can nation state militia and turn gun militia that us bar black point thousand crowd order shoot that obei face death fire squad uniform code militari justic for fail obei direct order arm and god southern boi turn fix bayonet and governor left stand and arrest feder marshal that had brought order nation guard and that such abil feder jurisdict rsw richard steven walz rstevew deeptht armori mapl street safe and free abort women santa cruz organ surrog unwant parasit real men never accept organ slaveri and will protect women
talk.politics.misc	environment group launch teddi neill creatur furri hobbit feet bath sentiment fool post forc world wide youth movement establish coordin global program accomplish strateg goal complet elimin intern combust engin twenti year period evid open question scientif peopl prefer live john mccarthi comput scienc depart stanford refus arithmet doom talk nonsens
talk.politics.misc	prolif terrorist threat apr jetsun weitek nadja weitek nadja adolf write articl ihd wetwar drieux wetwar write articl pamhpinn geraldo utexa edu tait ccwf utexa edu write prepar instruct individu proper us and handl firearm desert storm vet six year nation guard great deal experi handl weapon and tactic train for discuss counter sniper oper secur drill your friend counter terrorist oper twit promis train tactic and weapon handl doubt will last long becom terrorist for sudden rise firearm accid fiend fetu bless you nadja need name for attack puppi friend fetu foof for short
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talk.politics.misc	clinton presid remark town hall meet white hous offic press secretari for releas april remark presid secretari educ richard rilei and secretari labor robert reich goal satellit town hall meet chamber commerc build washington edt secretari rilei good even and you thousand commun countri that take part thi satellit town meet for month april you todai april thoma jefferson born year ago that mention begin thi meet sinc that time person that term democraci and import educ thi great countri success democraci jefferson depend success educ system philosophi govern belief import educ meaning special guest thi even tonight pleas presid clinton come white hous join chamber commerc studio presid good you you for take time visit commun satellit network and you thi even secretari labor robert reich and bob pleasant you thi even question for two guest and you call that you number washington number presid word that want share and presid you that thi time great you presid you secretari glad friend dick rilei and bob reich member cabinet headquart chamber commerc support effort that chamber make center for work forc prepar examin tonight critic question move young peopl school work place want compliment chamber effort recogn that educ work forc can grow thi economi remain competit and recogn that work togeth busi and govern labor and educ make thing happen thi satellit town meet good exampl that kind work togeth and you forgiv home state pride want special word wal mart corpor headquart bentonvil arkansa for provid hundr site for thi town meet tonight that lot site that provid for rest you hard move construct chang for thi countri secretari rilei talk thi thoma jefferson birthdai thoma jefferson believ believ thing educ second real person liberti freedom religion freedom speech freedom associ freedom press and absolut imper chang time chang you jefferson memori thi beauti citi bedeck wonder cherri blossom you will jefferson that chang chang time for america 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commun colleg vocat set perhap job and thi budget you give you and secretari reich fund and incent work partnership state and privat sector build program state state that custom essenti busi commun base economi area revolution long term qualiti american work forc and earn american worker secretari reich add presid you thi your experi arkansa and peopl watch thi program that busi commun and educ labor group commun state build school work transit program fact aw lot ferment lot excit peopl watch thi program directli involv that and power secretari rilei and can build success secretari rilei bob talk tonight youth apprenticeship and tech prep learn career academi and featur program that deal thi subject featur that school work program that import secretari reich thing that and you and work thi for long time and you longer that activ involv busi commun absolut essenti and delight that thi headquart chamber commerc chamber commerc unit state commit kind program train educ retrain and aim work close chamber busi commun activ engag develop almost audit kind job that need and help educ commun colleg technic institut develop curricula that relev for job futur commun come togeth mean thi import thing you player commun come togeth and work togeth and cooper togeth you educ and busi leader labor group and talk not work togeth common strategi and and final ingredi dick commit excel commit academ excel and skill develop excel thi not track program talk for kid not make thi program that young person elig for want that year colleg that fine that permiss talk foundat learn job foundat skill for job learn and critic compon presid interject point base person experi home busi commun critic role plai not simpli job skill that need and taught monitor that excel you sort partnership peopl pai tax and hire worker not permit second rate program surviv shape and influenc that import and you will fill blank feder level set standard and provid fund thing that want and make that employ heavi amount influenc qualiti program that determin whether thing worthwhil secretari rilei that great talk school work and job and econom recoveri program for thi summer and fall talk moment long term school reform close presid you give your idea for commun goal legisl that will come long presid you back you and governor spent lot time work public school and candid peopl that lot thing time materi had hand write nation educ goal that governor draft repres presid bush administr back and thi year your leadership introduc legisl congress that will defin thing that nation govern local school and children thi countri and adult learner meet goal make that peopl show for school readi learn that percent time high school graduat rate that children and grade confid subject suppos that second math and scienc that school safe disciplin and drug free and goal line thi last that system life long learn thi countri and each goal nation role state role school role school district role and privat sector role 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that enabl vocat and technic and institut ralli busi commun secretari rilei that great don ahead and telephon call mayor bruce todd austin texa presid and secretari reich and rilei opportun join you todai dedic profession and volunt austin heard you and appreci simpli amen comment made agre tone that clinton administr and support success austin tripl summer employ program last year expect emploi thi year summertim perhap feder assist question that had design you answer your open comment think alik question essenti involv initi labor dai summertim import year round even import and kind initi feder level propos meet youth year round basi and perhap importantli can famili and local commun involv feder initi that that import success thi effort secretari rilei presid presid give chanc answer question bruce you for call and you for great work that you austin and impress regard summer program hope can structur that will enabl continu summer program and that will move lot young peopl back into 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that sort prerequisit don economi back track thi correct wrong presid month had percent unemploy greater thi jobless recoveri lot kid get school june and even hard time get job secretari rilei you goal will perman long term thing that will reach into year will involv pass and hope will action plan state can work togeth reach for goal number wai and state school district import part that will citizen and parent involv and will great energi onc that move call harri heinemann york doctor good even secretari pleasur you thi even you bridg school and work central guardia educ program sinc incept and that includ colleg two altern high school that oper campu and linkag forg local school found thi extrem effect learn strategi and year come that principl that import bridg school and work and includ integr theori classroom practic workplac provid student earli exposur career provid opportun for reflect experi strengthen skill and lastli critic role liber art develop high perform compet question can gener educ faculti and academ curriculum close integr transit work experi and mechan and strategi can you suggest achiev thi integr secretari rilei you and respons you that and interest work peopl guest program thi even that will specialist that area that you speak and pass that and can discuss you care comment comment you presid thing want reemphas thi and don clear peopl will second panel will explicitli thi concept appli academ import and that basic abolish artifici distinct vocat learn and academ learn liber art strong compon for peopl vocat program secretari reich that rethink entir track system lot school and work combin import for mainstream student import for student not special group student that experi that unit state dick you mainstream experi mainstream student and grade give combin work and school experi and transit program and kid can colleg want can technic commun can larg varieti possibl and career direct stigmat that young peopl simpli job relat work relat work classroom school secretari rilei you that last call that time for presid you move anoth matter and want you and secretari reich for your time and your idea and tremend end edt
talk.politics.misc	clinton presid remark town hall meet previou articl clinton campaign org clinton gore presid you secretari kind work togeth and you forgiv home state pride want special word wal mart corpor headquart bentonvil arkansa for provid hundr site for thi town meet tonight bill start endors will remington shaver tune week
talk.politics.misc	law and econom procedur note ted direct followup misc legal respect opinion that followup field mere suggest not mandatori command and thi issu suffici gener polit relev and civil liberti interest warrant keep activ and for thi round articl apr midwai uchicago edu thf midwai uchicago edu that not happen boomer happen boomer that judg didn plaintiff blackmail cement plant demand multi million dollar plant shut damag and requir plant pai plaintiff make plant never shut plaintiff lawyer negoti windfal settlement plaintiff prefer amount greater plant shut plant prefer amount plant plant continu oper properti right protect plaintiff made unnecessari settlement cost avoid interpret boomer base fact present york court appeal hold boomer note york court appeal highest court york state unit state and fifti state call highest court suprem court suprem judici court suprem court appeal maryland and york call simpli court appeal make matter wors york call second highest court suprem court appel divis atlant cement oscar boomer own land atlant cement compani plant albani fact pattern inform plaintiff acquisit land defend start product cement plant regular oper cement plant injuri plaintiff properti dirt smoke and vibrat eman plant plaintiff sought injunct relief that ask court order atlant cement stop damag properti commentari thi reason boomer own properti and quiet enjoy atlant cement action depriv boomer that grant plaintiff request for injunct court order accept damag properti provid that atlant cement paid compensatori damag word court grant atlant cement privat parti power and author plaintiff right quiet enjoy properti emin domain take emin domain problemat even state allow privat firm opinion total wrong boomer court didn call emin domain walk emin domain and swim emin domain and quack emin domain issu you present case you that happen boomer that judg didn plaintiff blackmail cement plant demand multi million dollar plant shut damag blackmail pull black law dictionari abridg edit blackmail unlaw demand monei properti threat bodili harm injur properti accus crime expos disgrac defect thi crime commonli includ extort statut you defin blackmail parti act demand set sale price for uniqu piec properti own and anoth parti express interest bui demand not sell that properti price boomer found fortun posit own atlant cement had purchas want stai busi had world set price want isn shouldn law that that you nice gui your privat busi deal you plant never shut plaintiff lawyer negoti windfal settlement plaintiff prefer amount greater plant shut plant prefer amount plant plant continu oper sinc court suppos busi prevent parti reap windfal settlement parti settlement aris wrong act parti atlant cement didn want face choic pai windfal settlement busi shouldn atlant cement thought that into busi note that fact show boomer not parti respons for bring thi situat that atlant cement fault for choos build and oper type plant and and you properti right protect plaintiff made unnecessari settlement cost avoid disput your claim that plaintiff made fact court action depriv right owner properti choos sell not sell that properti price accept and for that depriv not made and sinc court suppos busi ensur that unnecessari settlement cost avoid miseduc thought that court suppos busi ensur that justic boomer taught infam that sad fail complet sensibl you read law and econom stuff hand filter teacher don for inexplic reason boomer not taught infam not school northeastern law good job hire for year mandatori class such tort encount boomer instructor person opinion can and teach law neutral student into second and year student can pick and choos cours for mandatori profession respons and presum bit worldli and confid like conscious sub conscious intimid law school professor and learn openli bias instructor indoctrin instructor tend open express opinion thi true part time instructor real life practic attornei sit judg thi can educ sometim taught somewhat cloister scholar end call infam that opinion for reason state triumph that can call econom correct justic complet sensibl you that alleg owner atlant cement stai busi and avoid lose lot monei due wrong act and alleg hundr atlant cement employe not job disappear trump right peopl properti damag atlant cement wrong act and you that correct for court branch govern grant privat parti peopl properti emin domain you posner bill libertarian didn that had case boomer paper trail nomin presid democrat won antitrust stanc republican won support gai marriag and bright law student shiver don understand easi imagin press will plai babi sell mike godwin claim that posner assert that law and econom applic and end and posner precis opposit admit that understand field gener refer law and econom weak advoc us econom analysi tie breaker factor court us reach decis case disput measur scale justic evenli balanc fine illustr boomer not fine court start view econom case import justic case william 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talk.politics.misc	clinton immun program articl fjsl ncratl atlantaga ncr mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr mark wilson write new last night clinton bash republican for stonewal call stimulu packag that small item thi packag pai for free immun for poor kid clinton claim that republican hold health poor kid hostag for blatantli polit gain merit lack thereof anoth free immun program such program bill that supposedli creat job job hell job anoth touchi feeli program vapid administr fact major claim made for univers immun that children will immun absolut valid state program had program for year result averag success rate nation averag that gummint hasn figur make parent bring kid anoth case shameless demagogueri democrat agent chang clinton hot thi immun program doesn and democrat introduc stand alon bill isn that clinton blatant polit read pork manipul tell republican pass muti billion dollar packag will peopl and that you oppos immun poor kid clinton thi issu for partisan gain never thought highli clinton stunt thi lower opinion even thought clinton campaign theme that kind politician thi kind manuev made lbj proud togeth mon you word meet boss boss and choru won fool paul havemann internet paul hsh not opinion caffein for brain milligram per cynic observ recommend minimum daili requir read
talk.politics.misc	recent new hope ad life debat add bit info and for comment coupl dai ago headlin splash stori proof that north vietnames had held hostag war end back todai newspap page san francisco chronicl articl document that held proof us permiss document discov archiv soviet communist parti moscow russian translat describ septemb report prepar for vietnam politburo gener tran van quang identifi deputi chief staff north vietnames armi articl talk claim american north vietnames prison phong easiest prove that document fabric review quang career quang not deputi chief staff armi command militari region central vietnam heard radio that church scientolog file for bankrupci becuas employe cocolat own co file class action suit for requir employe pai due becom member church heard thi micheal jackson into busi micheal milken lie panick snap authur garrett johnson thi cultur shock you wait till garrett ingr settl into situat and found bear start panick dougla adam
talk.politics.misc	employ not concentr child molest dov bai msi visitor bai msiadmin cit cornel edu wrote articl exnet sy exnet xavier gallagh write true man not invent for food shelter warmth and ilk man invent properti law and law trespass you properti gener grow automat tree produc gener god goddess result coalesc billion ton interstellar debri case properti xavier speak for million year follow fact that mother natur not provid automat stop mother natur automat provid bounti sinc crawl primordi ooz not produc produc year year last night for exampl deer cross road pretti sight earlier time dinner wai produc thing trade person produc gun person produc civil method second savag arrang affair american indian had concept ownership properti and freeli gave suppli neighbor tribe trade food and cloth for weapon servic nativ hawaiian polynesian ancestor not conceiv that idea and share thing island fact ipoi hawaiian word for cherish mean share food great mahel island divid evenli rich and poor white man idea africa villag will share tool crop and cloth member villag and neighbor villag anthropologist africa tale difficulti aris call theft scientist possess two concept visitor nativ had understand peopl call savag hand car jack and mug last year dov you make comment thi thread behoov you studi fact garison
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl new iastat edu jrbeach iastat edu jeffri beach write articl apr gordian mike gordian michael thoma write articl huh new iastat edu jrbeach iastat edu jeffri beach write shouldn drug legal lower cost and make safer us don want start criterion determin legal not peopl don want wast time battl legal drug you want can into and prove idiot that idea you ask question and you don want peopl answer legitim question ask shouldn cost and safeti us part determin legal you prove that drug legal idiot idea evid great britain pretti convinc that drug legal good idea even such note conserv william bucklei support point that pretti stupid justifi legal will safer and cheaper idea hold criterion prostitut kill funni farm patient aid victim elderli unemploi prision etc thi sure make tax decreas your exampl for prostitut fail miser meet criteria safer and cheaper kill peopl not safe for prostitut shouldn legal dale cook town church bar social problem edward abbei opinion mine not employ
talk.politics.misc	lincoln slaveri top ten trick cramer optilink clayton cramer write judi technolog judi mcmillin write cramer optilink clayton cramer write can you provid evid that slave state regard slave not human societi and similar phrase that basic meant that didn recogn right free person never consid not human knowledg isn fact that slave purchas oppos hire evid that not thought human didn bill right provid basic freedom human that not slave not necessarili distinct made citizen and person and state constitut for exampl free black had right citizen not right citizen curiou addit level distinct made slave state ration treatment slave theoret problem slave ownership bill right can not onc refer citizen make refer peopl for exampl articl peopl secur person hous paper and effect unreason search and seizur not violat articl person held answer for capit infam crime present indict grand juri person depriv life liberti properti due process law articl viii excess bail not requir excess fine impos cruel and unusu punish inflict never heard that constitut right appli citizen aren meant appli equal person live whether slave consid not human don that case made that weren treat peopl defin bill right and sinc nation nomin base declar independ state that men creat equal that endow creator unalien right that life liberti and pursuit happi that slave not follow thi definit human eric smith eric netcom eric infoserv
talk.politics.misc	reserv offic demograph nomin close naval marin reserv center press releas reserv offic associ reserv offic demograph nomin close naval marin reserv center nation desk defens writer contact herbert hart reserv offic associ unit state washington april newswir reserv offic associ unit state alert defens base realign and closur commiss that servic fail give suffici weight demograph recommend made close naval and marin corp reserv center letter closur commiss and member congress affect locat constitu includ sen sam nunn chairman senat arm servic committe roa charg that develop navi marin list demograph civilian popul prior servic personnel roa execut director maj gen evan hultman au ret suggest concern that plausibl altern that intention attempt foreclos naval reserv compon maintain even todai rel low level particip parent servic total forc futur ask commiss remov consider locat suffici and convinc demograph data warrant approv request action naval and marin corp reserv instal thi list larg signific impact commun close wrote hultman major issu cumul impact move close such larg percentag exist locat hultman remind commiss fact that vast major reserv instal thi list not come close meet minim requir for consider thi process support thesi that action simpli attempt foreclos substanti role for navi and marin corp reserv roa note that end number naval reservist approxim todai naval reserv facil navi recommend approv will naval reserv facil facil list includ naval air station rang south weymouth mass alameda calif naval reserv center macon and parkersburg missoula and great fall mont naval marin corp reserv center includ san francisco fort wayn ind bill mont and abilen texa major marin reserv center list that toro calif six nigel allen toronto ontario canada ndallen node hub org
talk.politics.misc	clinton presid name offici transp comm defen opic white hous offic press secretari for releas april presid name offici transport commerc defens and opic washington presid clinton announc intent todai nomin albert herberg administr feder maritim administr loretta dunn assist secretari commerc for import administr and christoph finn execut vice presid oversea privat invest corpor addition approv appoint joan yim deputi administr feder maritim administr alic maroni princip deputi comptrol depart defens and deborah castelman deputi assist secretari defens for command control and commun continu move forward put togeth govern excel divers american share commit chang that washington work presid six peopl name todai fit that bill biograph sketch nomine attach biograph sketch nomine april albert herberg thirti year navi veteran retir rank vice admir vice presid intern plan and analysi center ipac posit held naval servic deputi command chief transport command director logist staff for atlant fleet command chief and director militari personnel polici divis for offic naval oper surfac warfar expert and merchant marin offic eighteen year oper experi herberg vice chairman nation defens transport associ sealift committe graduat merchant marin academi and naval postgradu school loretta dunn serv staff senat committe commerc scienc and transport sinc sinc committe senior trade counsel respons for draft trade legisl and report plan and conduct hear manag legisl senat floor and confer hous overse varieti execut branch agenc includ depart commerc previous staff counsel for committe dunn hold histori univers kentucki univers kentucki colleg law and georgetown univers law center christoph finn execut vice presid equiti for american stock exchang previou posit held includ senior vice presid air and water technolog corpor chief staff senat daniel moynihan deputi commission york state depart econom develop and chief legisl aid congressman jame jone finn graduat harvard colleg joan yim profession planner year experi commun base plan polici analysi project design and manag inter agenc coordin and govern affair hawaii offic state plan planner issu relat natur resourc and coastal zone manag and public infrastructur financ issu supervis planner honolulu firm parson brinckerhogg quad dougla work for state execut neighborhood commiss secretari for citi and counti honolulu and chair kaneoh commun plan committe democrat nation committeewoman yim hold connecticut colleg and pursu graduat studi univers hawaii april page two alic maroni profession staff member hous arm servic committe special defens budget issu previous work nation defens specialist foreign affair and nation defens divis congression research servic and intern risk analyst for rockwel intern written extens defens budget relat topic maroni receiv mount holyok colleg and fletcher school law and diplomaci tuft univers complet senior servic program nation war colleg and harvard program for senior execut nation and intern secur deborah castleman leav rand space and defens polici analyst advisor clinton gore campaign space scienc and technolog and nation secur issu prior join rand castleman held engin posit hugh space and commun group gener dynam and electrac inc serv avion technician air forc castleman hold electr and electron engin california state polytechn univers electr engin california institut technolog and intern studi claremont graduat school
talk.politics.misc	clinton presid remark town hall meet articl qia inngta life mit edu clinton campaign org clinton gore write secretari rilei good even and you thousand commun countri that take part thi satellit town meet for month april you todai april thoma jefferson born year ago that mention begin thi meet sinc that time person that term democraci and import educ thi great countri success democraci jefferson depend success educ system realiz ironi feder secretari invok rabid anti federalist support feder educ program david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.misc	loathesom subject articl apr ad henri ad henri mensch write carlo beowulf jpl nasa gov carlo carrion wrote curiou don answer you feel uncomfort time you had sex boi you care total stranger ask you you had sex you answer henri mensch booz allen hamilton inc henri ad thi typic homosexu constantli make excus for child molest clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	roe wade articl lsm fjinnlnf exodu eng sun chase rbbb eng sun david chase write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write remain pro choic pro choicer compar abort clinic religi ritual church you start wonder bit pro life critic abort modern human sacrific doesn grain truth articl ruoinn exodu eng sun chase rbbb eng sun david chase write clayton that you found bash pro choicer compar abort clinic religi ritual church bet that you overwhelm support for thi opinion newsgroup anoth articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write comparison drawn pro choicer polit worrisom not you read polit for and don recal such comparison you don read post carefulli not surpris pretti shock and part sympathi not agreement pro lifer increas hand lunat opinion express polit not make that opinion wide held that clayton knew made you tick your math suck and you singl instanc fring opinion and proclaim exist pernici trend quarter billion peopl live thi countri small number almost guarante hold opinion that you and find posit repel long small number small number and long not neighbor highli like not worri hold high public offic you worri you cite expert rememb that carl sagan and paul ehrlich expert never heard your expert sourc you man unabl master elementari statist and statist infer and ignor david chase you mean don come conclus that your emot state requir clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	professor whine pai articl kqinnrkd elroi jpl nasa gov fogarti sir jpl nasa gov tim fogarti write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl binn elroi jpl nasa gov fogarti sir jpl nasa gov tim fogarti write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write professor summer industri employe don professor get summer primari purpos professor univers publish teach secondari summer professor research requir for paper told advisor that univers publish primari emphasi professor cal state univers system don publish that prefer teach pressur publish discuss and issu help that particip us definit thi rare occur usenet us term univers organ that bachelor master and phd program that cal state school not call colleg school univers univeristi number goal publish cal state univers system offer bachlor and master degre not offer opposit cal state school professor you speak phd professor phd haven had professor didn wife had coupl professor friend had instructor didn degre had minist cultur for black panther teach had bad habit not show teach class and final quit disgust racism univers that expect show teach univers you professor phd and teach assist ta ta slave labor graduat student tuition paid and hundr month for live expens exchang for grunt work professor taught lectur student per class ta taught lab per class tim fogarti fogarti sir jpl nasa gov sonoma state univers typic class size per class teach goal and sometim happen professor sonoma state equival professor had ucla and usc clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	clinton presid remark summer job confer white hous offic press secretari for releas april remark presid summer job confer hyatt regenc crystal citi virginia edt presid you speech that octaviu gave will todai import give young peopl chanc work experi and continu learn merg natur learn and work import honor effort peopl jerri levin and nancy comb and pat irv and want secretari labor and educ and peopl work for sponsor thi and good friend governor wilder for and for speak and busi and local commun leader citi and counti and state level america thi pretti fun dai laughter love hear young peopl sing music ear futur that struggl applaus year and half ago began quest seek presid concern futur that countri had beacon hope for young had opportun divid ourselv across line incom and race and region and wai vision into futur enter hope that togeth creat opportun and insist respons peopl process recreat america commun know that togeth individu and that secur futur you todai commit that job that jerri levin commit time warner symbol commit made privat sector peopl and countri work that nancy comb and success young peopl thi stage and eloqu statement octaviu jeffer thing show that togeth and track last juli travel across america heartland luxuri bu visit seneca high school louisvil kentucki and met young peopl and busi peopl particip louisvil educ and employ partnership nancy comb talk todai young peopl make extra effort succe school and work time state principl illustr that octaviu talk that for million american young peopl impedi learn and abil good worker draw sharp divid line work and learn world live averag young person will chang natur work time lifetim learn merg work world and learn world and determin that young peopl opportun that had showcas todai whether you busi govern educ you that big job come build futur that honestli includ opportun for peopl lot peopl thing pretti good washington and fine thing can thi thing noth job laughter peopl that applaus health insur pretti good educ and pretti secur knowledg that matter happen that not polit unduli critic point that great challeng thi ag for advanc nation fulli develop capac peopl and find work for european countri higher unemploy rate stronger support system for unemploi japanes unemploy rate adopt stimulu that even you count rigor term time bigger that propos creat job west germani alon unemploy rate high our thi big problem for advanc nation cost lot monei add extra employe lot pressur low wage produc countri that grow economi and provid opportun for peopl import for america for two reason lot folk move aggress will not educ and skill competit and product nation thi second even educ aren job will rob fruit educ labor peopl work thi countri applaus had unemploy and normal you peopl leav job and move countri and thing and anoth thi moment histori necess for big organ includ govern reexamin organ and whether peopl work kind job creat job countri america provid peopl chanc work difficult for make welfar reform propos that will make congress coupl month hard for make work end thi work welfar isn job applaus two task develop capac american peopl perform regard race incom circumst birth make that opportun for bring bear for talent and reward paycheck great challeng not pretend that answer simpl you want american peopl respons you want recreat sens commun thi countri that bridg line race and incom and region you opportun that mix part vision for america futur for young person thi countri will plai rule and work hard and strive for end rainbow end that rainbow and that basic talk todai can partner recogn can alon develop capac peopl succe wherev live and background and can make that for summer job program discuss todai integr part that plan will promot valu work and opportun and fair commun will put peopl and partnership public and privat sector address unit state congress februari thi program that seek creat extra summer job govern sourc and challeng american busi commun meet that target that can creat million summer job and had creat peopl respond that challeng and jerri shine exampl that replic thi room and countri peopl privat sector give young peopl work experi and terribl import want emphas that thi summer job program part commit increas capac american peopl retrain defens worker lose job and adult acquir skill improv transit school work for young peopl don colleg two year post high school train job commun colleg vocat set that can competit worker make for peopl colleg want thing part and parcel comprehens plan import that creat job emerg job program that ask congress adopt creat half million extra job year and half and that reduc unemploy rate half percent enabl absorb young peopl come into work forc job that will not creat will lot citi and counti invest thing that grass root level project long delai water project sewer project park project industri and small and medium size commun rang thing that will improv economi and improv environ summer job program import part that for time work labor depart and educ depart and reach peopl you make thi shot summer job program integr privat sector effort hopefulli replic each come summer move young peopl into educ opportun and job opportun and strong meaning educ compon summer job that unit state govern never fulli emphas lot young peopl you come difficult background school difficult and challeng circumst extra build basic skill math and languag reason and area and lot educ studi show that young peopl difficulti school forget percent learn summer and that repeat year give peopl opportun learn good work habit and reinforc learn skill and put togeth and hopefulli coupl year entir program pass give school thi countri opportun good work and learn environ will appli academ opportun for peopl learn and work school year that thi will not simpli isol moment for young folk will part build educ experi work experi and move pathwai futur summer job program not design make work job design make futur for peopl hold job and that will process build local commun strengthen local economi solv local problem real job renov hous repair public build cleric work provid nurs assist hospit supervis and train children child care center and learn challeng young peopl learn earn let earn you difficult make case peopl never opportun street that thi that thing evid opportun that end effort not spare for last year and half into place isn exactli popular and want reform welfar system want toughen child support want requir peopl work sick and tire peopl irrespons us gun street and want chang that you summon peopl greater respons you reward thing opportun applaus young peopl propos put work program will spend hour learn basic skill such math read write job classroom will stretch mind work sweat will sens accomplish will liter summer challeng challeng that will into life want you support thi effort even your presid support your effort end summer will evalu young peopl particip whether fall summer academ young peopl stai even move ahead suspect that will thi summer secretari reich and secretari rilei and will visit your commun learn you effort work summer can build school year can build job train effort and work that your compani make sens thi thing that maxim impact taxpay dollar and your privat invest want honor compani and commun busi leader and young peopl job thi summer and want you privat busi match effort you and you haven and across countri listen learn thi event todai want implor privat employ stretch bit give young peopl chanc work thi summer tell you cannot anoth year don give children exhort reward applaus speaker talk sit platform listen and revel and talk work and think thing make live life made foolish short term busi invest set comic book stand and sold two trunk full comic book made monei had had life had save trunk worth todai laughter that not mean young peopl not entrepreneuri mean that you can forese gener ahead mow yard and clear land and built hous and work bodi shop and part depart car dealership and lot thing for live peopl into polit escap work laughter learn job had grew gener liter not live soul regard race incom want work didn job grew gener you had peopl educ and you you job and you make monei year you thi year live gener full peopl don make monei real dollar year ago and work longer hour and pai for basic life and wonder whether can creat job that young peopl want want close reemphas two thing doesn matter kind econom polici thi administr pursu product increas privat sector young american don good educ don learn work and can product job will not creat thi countri machin will work work will shore peopl skill level and can work for fourth wage noth can econom will matter build skill and capac america work forc and that pretend kid hand honest wealthi countri world includ unit state difficulti creat job knew that glad you and call deliber congress and don answer thi noth not answer applaus and job program that present congress summer job monei for citi and counti commun develop program infrastructur monei small part big budget attempt engag experi whether not economi recov term corpor profit can give boost give opportun young peopl creat half million job and engin job thi program job privat sector not govern job even govern monei and lion share work rebuild american economi will come privat sector that kind system and work pretti thi challeng you todai support summer job program your friend and neighbor support back home and your employ make extra effort you can pass fund creat job that unit state govern creat thi summer that togeth can thi partnership give futur futur that young peopl can send messag that america you studi hard and work hard you obei law and contribut your commun you will reward your countri you can build futur you dream that promis america togeth that thi summer challeng reaffirm promis america for young peopl that promis illus can make realiti you applaus end edt
talk.politics.misc	clinton press brief georg stephanopoulo white hous offic press secretari for releas april press brief georg stephanopoulo brief room edt stephanopoulo guess prepar question todai georg bob dole that clinton administr polici bosnia failur and that unit state lead lift arm embargo that bosnian muslim can defend stephanopoulo you presid clinton that that suggest activ consider thi tragic situat bosnia and bosnian serb don come negoti tabl construct press for lift arm embargo meantim continu press for tough sanction resolut continu work serb come negoti tabl prospect arm embargo presid will serb don come tabl longer you give come tabl georg stephanopoulo work that long time februari presid mention ad tax ohio and ask report quot that radic chang tax system unit state year ahead question not that consider start you wasn trial balloon discuss tax respons question donna shalala quot usa todai thi morn quot vat alic rivlin thi morn stephanopoulo health care task forc review number option haven made decis and thi podium time and time not comment decis that haven made you thi podium time and time wait minut whoa nelli whoa that that not consider clinton not that consider that longer true stephanopoulo work group shalala look thi prospect decis made kind consider that and didn stephanopoulo consider propos start you stephanopoulo propos start you that direct quot stephanopoulo task forc look number option not made decis presid not made decis thi propos consider task forc and cast wide net for idea reform health care system cast wide net look hundr propos thousand propos presid not made decis presid awar consider thi option stephanopoulo don brief preliminari conclus that task forc thi specif propos kind don that that level start yesterdai task forc wide rang decis and don that that present not reli usa todai task forc tax stephanopoulo deliber fashion number decis that made don that thi propos reach that decis make point thi consider that chang told dee dee week ago that not option talk had big argument thi rememb specif and not onc twice that not case stephanopoulo don thi present presid that look level task forc rule mean unlik option that you mix thi specif rule stephanopoulo thi that look decis made kind mean doesn not necessarili materi you decis make phase work group hundr option rule and not rule chang georg gui februari stephanopoulo work group widest rang option chang weren stephanopoulo don work group that point cast wide net that you and dee dee sell definit rule option previous and that fact consid stephanopoulo work group wide rang option not you deni that you and dee dee rule flatli rule occas past month stephanopoulo don deni that mean presid word clear subsequ presid word you deni that last month you and dee dee publicli rule stephanopoulo don time refer back presid word and stand don stand longer march clinton for year rule stephanopoulo word presid that februari work group separ track and don separ presid stephanopoulo don thi present presid that presid rule rule mean will presid vat tax stephanopoulo work group not present thi presid look wide rang option suppos that argument made will listen that not mean decid can put thi anoth answer ohio look vat term restructur tax system that circumst that consid futur point that longer case that that can vat emerg stephanopoulo guess not exactli you ask talk vat context restructur tax system not specif financ health care for exampl context substitut for tax time dramat overhaul tax system stephanopoulo that chang that view stephanopoulo haven spoken specif comment can back work group examin possibl vat vat stephanopoulo examin possibl vat present presid made decis not kind deal you you presid appoint task forc not oblivi rule context huge line reform ahead and consid tax specif rule context and ahead and announc that that presid concern that sort thing stephanopoulo that presid concern make get health care propos concern make that thorough process for examin altern altern decis made forward that presid will explain and justifi decis made line mean exactli presid rule mean can back tabl persuas argument made stephanopoulo that that indisput true you time not rule not made propos make open wasn open stephanopoulo will listen argument will listen argument for short term tax thi year and wasn will listen chilicoth open stephanopoulo context comment that not want clear that thi not propos not float not word not that consider start you you acknowledg you not that consider and stephanopoulo acknowledg that task forc studi thi propos state that presid not made decis door open for presid reconsid includ thi part stephanopoulo work group presid not made decis you will make present behalf vat stephanopoulo don that assum that don stage propos don that make conclus that thi present thi work group you understand georg that ask question context decis that presid made presid stephanopoulo understand that and acknowledg that work group examin issu vat and presid will stephanopoulo assum that will argument present that mean presid that work group that presid mean laughter stephanopoulo that mean that work group thorough job georg can you anoth question bosnia stephanopoulo laughter stai thi gai militari laughter that swamp bottom line that vat reggi bartholomew your special ambassador belgrad todai that serb not accept agreement that work quot will part pursu lift arm embargo togeth alli that bit you stephanopoulo sound almost exactli you accept word you accept reggi stephanopoulo presid that thi that consider will current action don bring serb tabl isn kind timet stephanopoulo timet vote resolut dai that sanction that tighten sanction stephanopoulo that that sanction and that that will ratchet pressur and hope that that will bring serb tabl you bartholomew met churkin russia and work wai bring serb tabl will continu pressur wai and thi option question whether timet for consider vote decis lift arm embargo not sanction stephanopoulo vote sanction vote schedul lift arm embargo that discuss intern and alli reggi bartholomew serb that that point tell that stephanopoulo mean thi that consider and thi that quit not come tabl consequ fail come tabl deadlin warren christoph thing and hasn chang serb behavior serb heed threat lift arm embargo that had effect fight bosnia stephanopoulo don accept premis your question had effect embargo effect effect stephanopoulo serbian choos not heed warn will face consequ effect had bosnia stephanopoulo effect that had serbian tighten not get shipment can fulli bosnia georg bosnia effect had stephanopoulo hard stop aggress date that continu press for serbian stop that time will continu weaken serb and that will effect not happen overnight hasn happen overnight that time sanction can weaken serb fail work and serb fail come negoti tabl move forward embargo isn work deadlin georg date schedul vote hasn unit state nato alli that serb aren will sign peac accord that seek haven that will seek stephanopoulo continu that deadlin stephanopoulo don specif date move forward resolut resolut that time and that fail effect that fail bring serb tabl will action isn thi increment stephanopoulo take step step approach ratchet pressur and continu that possibl georg that time increment step serb will achiev goal and purpos stephanopoulo purpos serb stop aggress pursu that goal front pursu pursu direct talk pursu tighten sanction and will lift arm embargo turn screw serb and will continu that effort unsuccess get serb stop aggress effect will campaign serb give back gain mean onc entrench stephanopoulo can specul that continu press for come tabl continu find wai stop aggress can into futur georg stimulu packag hous republican hold seri town meet saturdai and explain detail your packag cite poll show that peopl learn your strategi counter that stephanopoulo strategi continu you presid todai point real benefit summer job program that thi packag will provid summer job thi summer for kid citi and suburb product work point benefit highwai monei invest highwai point benefit immun point benefit head start that republican choic can action creat job can perpetu gridlock last year concern you that hous hous republican you senat stephanopoulo hous republican vote made mistak make mistak georg strike administr that bit strong describ presid thi morn summer job program quot reaffirm promis america stephanopoulo not promis america give kid chanc reach full potenti govern fund job stephanopoulo give peopl chanc work absolut that promis america want follow ask yesterdai summer job that figur come stephanopoulo that top summer job pipelin thi will top will total million creat stimulu packag stephanopoulo that number come told that stimulu packag creat job and panetta that break full time job and summer job stephanopoulo summer that you full time equival mean individu will receiv job thi summer you calcul for full time job effect you don exact formula hundr thousand part time job stephanopoulo month stephanopoulo you can follow that presid misspeak thi morn that govern monei for summer job will pai for privat for kid work privat sector stephanopoulo not necessarili mean that will grant that wai that you pai for job time issu challeng privat sector hire kid tax dollar for instanc pai for kid work time warner stephanopoulo time warner come forward and grant that bulk isol instanc grant busi presid spoken senat republican thi week stephanopoulo lot contact senat republican white hous lower level presid hasn stephanopoulo presid not get closer vote stephanopoulo continu work lean your haiti york time report breakthrough aristid attitud coup leader can you confirm that thi chang and impact will process and pezzullo yesterdai report stephanopoulo pezzullo princip can confirm happen talk leav that negoti caputo return haiti receiv brief white hous ambassador pezzullo and time and time that assur secur import final resolut broader polit settlement georg yesterdai you offer select breakdown stimulu impact state and citi can complet breakdown state job impact stephanopoulo for state and can you make that gener stephanopoulo can and you compon stimulu word stephanopoulo don can that can summer job and job don deepli can broken can break into summer job and job and can follow thi inform that jeff eller and rest white hous ad state stephanopoulo don ad press releas can you describ press releas stephanopoulo point benefit thi packag state for instanc that todai senat dole head vermont and hampshir and point that stimulu packag job packag creat job vermont creat job hampshir and peopl state remind that thi import releas stephanopoulo state stephanopoulo can problem can don you put stephanopoulo can thi afternoon that stephanopoulo check don can you focus press releas state moder pragmat republican senat stephanopoulo can quit difficult pull thi togeth and put you close track senat dole schedul stephanopoulo press releas state visit stephanopoulo not that press releas vermont laughter will man chicken suit wait laughter georg presid busi defend stimulu packag doesn address republican main point that you fund deficit spend import not come fund for republican argument and you answer that stephanopoulo answer pai for time and you budget pai for thi packag time economi jump start for job you not claim you that that doesn add deficit thi year stephanopoulo pai for time didn that that georg mean begin question annual budget and thing deficit spend will pai for that thi year will not stephanopoulo thi year will time budget fulli pai for thi program you that save that cover thi thi year futur year stephanopoulo absolut that exactli that outstand debt will add nation debt thi year stephanopoulo reduc deficit billion billion year you mean you reduc below stephanopoulo exactli fact you ad larg amount nation debt period stephanopoulo reduc that true washington type reduct laughter you get grumpi man georg decis made white hous presid particip gai right march come week and half stephanopoulo work presid schedul senat democrat retreat jamestown that weekend will address phone stephanopoulo don that senat retreat will leader dai two speech stephanopoulo don expect that point meet leader group don schedul will aid czar appoint prior conjunct event stephanopoulo not april earth dai presid mark that and case that sign biodivers treati that dai stephanopoulo work biodivers treati don sign that dai expect statement earth dai work biodivers treati stephanopoulo check kati mcginti that work don exactli earth dai stephanopoulo you that statement earth dai you don statement gai right march stephanopoulo don meet meet you statement gai right march stephanopoulo don wouldn surpris you detail miyazawa visit stephanopoulo work visit fridai and presid forward that discuss number issu includ russian aid and japanes stimulu packag and trade issu two countri expect that second aid packag russia unveil meet and understand hasn happen that statu that stephanopoulo meet and you secretari bentsen and christoph talk outlin packag continu consult congress and alli that will not make kind announc two dai meet stephanopoulo meet not that you make stephanopoulo not rule possibl presid announc tomorrow bentsen that bentsen tomorrow christoph stephanopoulo that like that announc will come tokyo georg consider send presid lo angel stephanopoulo don that not rule don date set for georg you posit you support immigr plan settl iraqi prison unit state stephanopoulo heard georg report todai fortun laughter pace appoint and that presid clinton presid bush number posit that peopl nomin for you speed pace nomin you stand stephanopoulo fill presid appoint and broken schedul noncar se pa full time not that mean laughter full time and thi pace presid bush you move farther onc you each level appoint multipli effect and free appoint expect process speed pace bush quickli point that fbi background check and background check comprehens and take time predecessor and that part holdup work that nannyg stephanopoulo that aw big part stori thi morn you approxim pace bush make appoint win confirm stephanopoulo that background check come into plai that problem that background check problem mean you democrat senat stephanopoulo that not you make appoint and take quit bit time fill form and background check that exactli problem presid thi afternoon and plan for tomorrow stephanopoulo meet offic meet thi afternoon for part varieti issu that half dozen issu and tomorrow event focus stimulu and job packag white hous and fridai miyazawa meet will you releas tax return tomorrow georg stephanopoulo tomorrow fridai pre brief japanes prime minist visit tomorrow stephanopoulo don tomorrow for visit reverend jackson thi morn and you that stephanopoulo met group white hous includ mack mclarti reverend jackson stephanopoulo reverend jackson mack mclarti gene sperl bruce reed jeff watson mark gearan talk haiti stephanopoulo talk gener urban polici lo angel back mississippi had good victori last night and lo angel request meet stephanopoulo continu contact presid had written letter varieti issu and ask come and talk georg dole fundrais for jefford tonight vermont you gui contact jefford thi stephanopoulo contact can you contact stephanopoulo not you contact stephanopoulo that howard paster talk and gener talk packag and express support for stephanopoulo can divulg detail convers convers time report that abort elect abort like includ basic health care packag thi presid stephanopoulo vat laughter stephanopoulo that look decis made question stephanopoulo time stori whether abort will cover presid health plan presid meet you your meet reverend jackson advic solicit advic kind stanc white hous wake verdict stephanopoulo talk situat lo angel and long term prospect for econom develop and issu for instanc you discuss whether help for presid not stephanopoulo discuss wide rang issu relat lo angel that let you perhap you back bosnia for second and stephanopoulo good your reaction margaret thatcher comment that you sit and watch massacr stephanopoulo push hard number front for aggress action will continu that can you you made progress your talk stimulu packag get compromis mean don feel talk ongo you talk peopl stephanopoulo don number talk peopl and had wide rang session lean your stephanopoulo can into that work tuesdai press you end edt
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl new iastat edu jrbeach iastat edu jeffri beach write articl apr gordian mike gordian michael thoma write articl huh new iastat edu jrbeach iastat edu jeffri beach write shouldn drug legal lower cost and make safer us don want start criterion determin legal not peopl prai thi mean exactli you mean peopl not blindli swallow piec propoganda nokd not kind dear appeal audienc that suppos implicitli and understand don want wast time battl legal drug you want can into and prove idiot that idea read not fuck talk and not eager make fool point that pretti stupid justifi legal will safer and cheaper pragmat standpoint justif vice peopl will commit crimin alcohol legal for alcohol pragmat standpoint happi hear fact that wasn idea hold criterion prostitut kill funni farm patient aid victim elderli unemploi prision etc thi sure make tax decreas make sens noth legal rest case you haven made connect expect you haven connect theme thi thread person autonomi life and bodi vice statut serv make expens for rich and danger for poor tim eloqu put peopl will autonomi live govern and prai aid victim snear quot you revisionist sort that think such thing aid plaug deserv michael thoma mike gordian don bambi ey will you that flame thrower hobb calvin usnail irvin av santa ana height pabel fax
talk.politics.misc	clinton presid public schedul white hous offic press secretari for releas march public event presid schedul for thursdai april est presid meet leadership law enforc organ rose garden open press edt presid meet nation ambassador for march dime birth defect foundat oval offic pool open photo write pool edt presid meet mosaic minstrel york rose garden open photo write pool edt presid meet berwick high school bulldog aaa state footbal champion south lawn open photo write pool upcom event presid schedul april presid meet japanes prime minist miyazawa white hous april presid clinton meet presid amato itali white hous
talk.politics.misc	nln fascism friendli face liber new servic nln subject nln fascism friendli face written apr nln igc apc org igc nln new nln packet fascism friendli face rush limbaugh remind you daevid bornhuett machen madison edg main differ adolf hitler and rush limbaugh that hitler origin and show initi mort sahl tom snyder radio show abc radio network octob nln not plan thi compar review mein kampf and limbaugh transcrib rant thing sahl issu compar review usual sahl independ and sharp scalpel effort can dream compar favor mort fairli popular orgin premis mention idea thought divin inspir past due for deliveri reaction base parallel that obviou peripher observ act fals prophet note for galvan orator skill us passion gener polit cult massiv numer proport fact limbaugh claim audienc million almost ident number vote cast for hitler april german elect us myopic social perspect build cult and enthusiast amput fact record fabric ideolog quilt last point glaringli document passag open 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world and put into servic moral idea state and cultur page and limbaugh todai hollywood troubl reason that hollywood forgotten audienc make fun peopl god ridicul tradit famili heterosexu and monagami disparag american hero page new meida hitler activ call liber press work gravedigg for german peopl and german reich can pass silenc marxist paper li task break peopl folkish and nation spine order make ripe for yoke slaveri intern capit and master jew page limbaugh element media jump bandwagon leftist cynic journalist past replac case enthusiast cheerlead for gulf war cnn correspond bernard shaw cnn global network can side side don realiz that freedom li unit state america and that defend thi nation hopelessli misguid and suggest flirt megalomania page and continu compar excerpt ultim depress read put book undeni fact that haunt adolf hitler fed depress and frighten german opiat hatr turn allow german hand collect nation power nazi rush limbaugh thing distribut hatr depress and frighten 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talk.politics.misc	clinton war power resolut bosnia white hous offic press secretari for releas april text letter presid speaker hous repres and presid pro tempor senat april dear speaker dear presid part continu effort congress fulli inform provid thi report consist section war power resolut advis you action that order support unit nation effort bosnia herzegovina begin secur council resolut septemb unit nation activ address crisi yugoslavia secur council act resolut establish ban unauthor militari flight bosnia herzegovina blatant violat ban and villag bosnia bomb respons violat secur council decid resolut march extend ban unauthor flight bosnia herzegovina and author member state act nation region organi zation measur ensur complianc nato north atlant council nac agre provid nato air enforc for fly zone secretari gener notifi nato decis proce oper deni flight and activ order deliv particip alli unit state activ support decis direct joint chief staff execut order forc particip nato forc for conduct phase air oper prevent flight not author unit nation bosnia herzegovina forc initi assign thi oper consist and fighter aircraft and support tanker aircraft aircraft commenc enforc oper april fighter aircraft equip for combat accomplish mission and for defens nato posit forc and establish combat air patrol cap station control airborn earli warn aew aircraft cap aircraft will oper base itali and aircraft carrier adriat sea unauthor aircraft enter approach fly zone will identifi interrog intercept escort monitor and turn that order step not result complianc fly zone such aircraft engag basi proper author nato militari author and accord approv rule engag not expect such action will command unprofor unit nation protect forc oper bosnia herzegovina consult ensur that concern for forc fulli consid rule engag approv not predict thi time long such oper will direct arm forc particip oper pursuant constitut author command chief grate for con tinu support that congress thi effort and forward continu cooper move forward attain goal thi region sincer william clinton
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talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr articl slagl apr sgi msd lmsc lockhe slagl lmsc lockhe write articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write articl apr cbnews att doctor cbnews att patrick hailei write point that thi law protect establish car dealer peopl monei start fairli big oper onc protect folk competit protect rest low price and high qualiti excel point you miss subtl point not govern that recipi your displeasur establish busi interest that influenc and direct govern action thi case govern that prevent entri market desir run establish busi prevent restrict entri competitor understand gener unpleas human fail mean act thi desir govern suffici power restrict option potenti competitor anti competit desir remain unpleas govern linchpin seek disengag don shaft onc mark you don mean govern prevent tool busi interest left wing big govern convent liber will you vote anti competit regul that favor auto dealer hear libertarian desir limit incumb term weaken govern elimin power enforc antitrust law and desir elimin legisl pai each strike ineffect insur that auto dealer and special interest cannot influenc public polici fact design accomplish opposit jsh mark steve hendrick domain steveh thor isc thing data cut uunet isc thor steveh bull hofferbert bell
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talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr articl apr tijc pj tijc paul schmidt write steveh thor isc steve hendrick write note anoth thread limit govt problem libertarian face insur that limit govern seek not becom tool privat interest pursu agenda not liber frequent oppos anti competit measur you conserv don that competit will necessarili protect action busi interest free market exampl you cite not liber that press for such regul good staunch conserv businessmen adam smith eloqu demonstr free market not that capitalist seek protect can profit elimin point made marx point agreement two theorist that not want govern becom tool privat interest limit govern cannot insur that privat interest will not us thi govern for agenda agre thi not failur libertarian fact that utopia not option singl system perfect failur libertarian ideolog not provid reason restrain such action utopian dream marxism fail pure commun achiev and state wither libertarian frequent fail show weaken power state will result improv human condit wise for solut you compar countri peopl live starvat hunger poverti and miseri you will find that limit govern countri alot poverti miseri and suffer limit govern cannot insur altern big govern thi strawman argument and fail ground thi case limit and big govern not defin point that lebanon somalia and yugoslavia definit nation limit govern canada and nation western europ peopl live point nation big govern libertarian point view argument not want limit govern and want unlimit govern govern regul capitalist economi serv worthwhil end and such regul desir empir ground justifi ideolog ground jsh paul schmidt advoc for govern davi crockett chapter presid steve hendrick domain steveh thor isc thing data cut uunet isc thor steveh bull hofferbert bell
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl apr gordian mike gordian michael thoma write articl huh new iastat edu jrbeach iastat edu jeffri beach write shouldn drug legal lower cost and make safer us don want start criterion determin legal not peopl don want wast time battl legal drug you want can into and prove idiot that idea you that you bad good southwest missouri state parti run for student bodi presid token soror fratern face and presid and vice presid norml campaign hand condom and list qualif listen make sick parti establish thing that ruin thi countri run year darin keener dak vma smsu edu idea that cater splinter group
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl huh new iastat edu jrbeach iastat edu jeffri beach write upset that abort continu lot expens for rich and lot safe for poor thing suppos legal cost and safeti factor high case victimless crime rob beat rape kill clear not sociopath that immor hand smoke grass sex consent adult manner illeg that state moral immor that act lifestyl choic doesn hurt imo such act doesn hurt anoth person not interf shouldn drug legal lower cost and make safer us and don us drug legal alcohol and coffe don
talk.politics.misc	poll top ten excus for slick willi record set disapprov rati articl emoryu emori edu libwca emori edu bill anderson write cnn poll kei reason for clinton low approv rate peopl angri not move fast gai militari burst laugh heard thi planet cnn peopl live jason austin austin larc nasa gov dunno man that sound pretti damn reason piss sampl fellow memeb cultur elit jason can you quot poll question bill never cnn give poll question air you letter ask for you guess part session question you approv clinton perform answer question you disapprov due gai militari issu answer conclus clinton low approv rate not move fast gai militari group dedic report new not us manufactur new poll jason
talk.politics.misc	stop sexularhumanistoppress belov damn ferign articl apr reg triumf vincent reg triumf pete write articl hwa ebp new cso uiuc edu irvin uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin write fight territori disput british canada stuff not quit boundari disput unresolv and canadian and coast guard vessel regularli infrequ detain each fish boat disput water dixon entranc reason you don hear that countri interest aggrav quarrel that doesn mean that countri prepar back local polit repres constitu fishermen fish right disput nation matter friendli fish disput get fight slogan stuff deal land disput fight fish right territori disput oregon territori call long resolv fish right small potato person opinion brent irvin you irvin uxh cso uiuc edu
talk.politics.misc	state justic judg deni trial motion even two wit that occup truck dead impact not fire thought kind scari you realiz that judg start deni trial even evid that contradict fact that led previou rule judg decid that wit not believ shouldn that juri and member previou juri parad talk show proclaim obviou bia shouldn that for judg verdict and call for trial happen juror object brett noth passion vest interest disguis intellectu convict sean casei white plagu frank herbert
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl new iastat edu jrbeach iastat edu jeffri beach write articl apr gordian mike gordian michael thoma write articl huh new iastat edu jrbeach iastat edu jeffri beach write articl sninnr elroi jpl nasa gov fogarti sir jpl nasa gov tim fogarti write upset that abort continu lot expens for rich and lot safe for poor thing suppos legal cost and safeti factor high shouldn drug legal lower cost and make safer us don want start criterion determin legal not peopl don want wast time battl legal drug you want can into and prove idiot that idea for justifi prohibit drug and ensu war drug world polit usenet you that crazi matter thought read headlin cannot justifi thi atroc thi war individu right justifi war drug dare you point that pretti stupid justifi legal will safer and cheaper onc choru thi stupid idea hold criterion prostitut kill funni farm patient aid victim elderli unemploi prision etc thi sure make tax decreas paragraph gibberish that can make steve thoma steveth rossinc
talk.politics.misc	hunt marin gai bash wilmington verdict articl hfr cpa ncratl atlantaga ncr mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr mark wilson write you feel that defend convict evid that trueli sad dai for civil right don convict evid mind quit suffici tom
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write articl slagl apr sgi msd lmsc lockhe slagl lmsc lockhe write govern that prevent entri market desir run establish busi prevent restrict entri competitor understand gener unpleas human fail mean act thi desir govern suffici power restrict option potenti competitor anti competit desir remain unpleas govern linchpin seek disengag don shaft onc mark you don mean govern prevent tool busi interest left wing big govern convent liber will you vote anti competit regul that favor auto dealer hear libertarian desir limit incumb term weaken govern elimin power enforc antitrust law and desir elimin legisl pai each strike ineffect insur that auto dealer and special interest cannot influenc public polici fact design accomplish opposit thi similar that clinton timber summit fix health care problem pictur not randomli pick libertarian posit govern not allow us initi forc achiev goal special interest can influenc govern us initi forc behalf mean reach such restrict govern anoth topic address briefli won happen libertarian domin philosophi mean make libertarian domin philosophi statist run educ monopoli creativ advoc for govern report seminar particip embrac libertarian that mean lobbi for compulsori seminar attend jest roger collin amaz that govern world will aspect govern control final last resort fail will individu liberti andr marrou libertarian candid for presid
talk.politics.misc	nation sale tax movi atboyken iastat edu aaron boyken write question true vat feder govern impos sale tax tax paid retail sale not build level product cost that pass consum and reduc deficit that thi never happen lot palett vat canada gst collect sale tax and consid vat funnili previou hidden wholesal tax that replac never refer tax peopl never paid mind uproar brought front gst parti campaign hide tax state intent tori us gst write deficit legisl didn includ mechan for disburs collect fund such manner and monei sit escrow don involv releas fund dilemna that tori not fiscal conserv tax and spend made move appli break runawai locomot end thi time end second term year chanc get term catch poll moder slightli leftish pro busi rival liber euro tori heir appar for leader mantl term clone hillari clinton gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
talk.politics.misc	represent territori lunch articl cmi kei lonestar org cwinemil kei lonestar org chri winemil write knowledg thi handl past such louisiana territori northwest territori area state puerto rico popul need becom state ethnic mix such that puerto rico will never becom state cut loos don want becom state shouldn continu subsid exist john haugh pgp utexa edu rpp jfh bell dof jfh rpp cactu org ponzi scheme good dictionari will pictur joe liber handout stop feder spend cut deficit
talk.politics.misc	pro abort feminist leader endors trash free speech right articl mmep panix gcf panix gordon fitch write dsh eceyv ncsu edu doug holtsing write arrest for defi judg order abort protest ralli miami herald april circuit judg robert mcgregor order prohibit anti abort picket feet properti line awar woman center for choic even across street not displai pictur dead fetus sing chant loud heard patient insid clinic year ago justic william dougla libertarian you can free speech and similar issu wrote major opinion suprem court turn appeal group peopl had prohibit demonstr front landlord home you cite for case you don give inform compar two situat demonstr had blare loud rock music into landlord home dai and night opinion justifi thi court order had prohibit abort protest displai pictur dead fetus doesn disrupt privaci insid clinic point that peopl free speech perhap privaci home not public properti korean groceri store owner york citi free speech protest store patron insid store hear protest ask shop that abort protest ask women get abort clinic harass express direct attack person thi case worker and client clinic purpos not convei inform express opinion intimid and harm even protest speech consid harass not hate speech law gener struck court don word don kill your babi abort murder consid harass anti abortionist lost battl for public opinion and psychopath turn harass arson bomb and murder carri war reason not restrain protect ordinari civil right protest arrest for simpli prai quietli public sidewalk yeah that equival bomb and murder huh you grip realiti gordon fitch gcf panix blg grn sta doug holtsing
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talk.politics.misc	top ten sign that ag aquariu pennsylvania avenu articl tuinn minerva ci yale edu chaudhari amar yale edu amar chaudhari write hei bead curtain add love esqu touch aaaaaaaaaaaa run run for your live canada europ and japan manag provid health care for citizen and basic health human peopl entitl nation aren capitalist for you guess found capit noth sacr capitalist system and social work capit die process systemat dismantl socialist health care system privit kei compon make love not war hold gun your wife you respond don ag aquariu hit white hous ag peac love and harmoni hasn hit south central hit yugoslavia and long peopl world dead thrive want protect polic forc will peac can make love shot contrari popular belief male and feminist time discrimin deni equal opportun major popul plain wrong and forc into sort tradit role even wors women offer thi world men and dai that gender discrimin final broken make revolut past centuri reform bill forward ultim statement for equal right feminazi forgotten not care you man woman not care you black white not care you gai straight onc you can honistli not care color race gender sexual prefer will track shove differ face and expect real long you make care you black femal continu balk natur human behaviour moment employ search for employe bank lend monei and theclinton administr for appointe can honistli not care your color race gender sexual prefer instend treat you human crap last year riot will continu happen hei man acadamia rule barf you mean econom theorist thing for sake conveni mathemat model will assum wealth creation crack implement phd thesi real life back your textbook macroeconom theori chapter that book introduc field macroeconom theori chapter section statement difficult predict and model wealth creation economi wealth creation inher provinc individu creat invent and discov idea will assum for rest thi book that wealth creation not assum lack weath creation real world mathemat model such inher unpredict subject imposs even assum wealth creation that for mathemat econom model such assumpt valid make predict can test gui run store for clinton and compani assum that wealth creation not exist borrow idea hitchhik guid advanc simpl thing honist engin year experi build bridg design bridg theoret physicist freshli mint phd and experi job bill woodi don post even read post thi newsgroup you repli thi messag and want repli guess you will repli directli
talk.politics.misc	ration viewpoint studi gai percentag articl cinnabv darkstar ucsc edu stephen orchid ucsc edu write difficult for young person develop and build posit view themself constantli told implicitli and explicitli that wrong and immor that true paragrapgh reflect posit and infer that import posit view thi foolish mass murder pedophil year pyromaniac posit view not person that engag behaviour that larg number peopl condemn and you concept societi your choic expect that person neg view peopl that love canal kind environment disast weird opinion mine and you can rent cheap
talk.politics.misc	get earli start patrick townson ptownson eec nwu edu write juri will make announc saturdai morn pacif time eastern time such ungodli hour make announc west coast figur rioter will asleep give troop time move into place sinc actual verdict not author smart not fridai night for fight elton and seal for thi morn for maximum daylight wear and frustrat potenti troublemak give prepar time guess can forward weekend riot you local new intern mayor lo angel press confer saturdai morn that co shown live new and cut into cnn clock sport didn watch devil island game sportschannel meanwhil announc juri verdict judg juri and assort court personnel will evacu build helicopt land roof courthous can even walk front door head held high had cutov knbc wnbc and didn recal thi detail not comment that won rioter surpris wait for wake todai net contact tell that alert will remain thi weekend element find excus not guilti verdict charg aid and abet acquitt balanc fact that rodnei king not kind angel that night speed and flee anoth consider street celebr two convict excess forc charg koon for incompet and powel for overreact guilti heck even view nypd cop interview that hand element acquitt excus challeng cop dumb move and korean scare and peopl mad arm last year command nassau long island question peopl handl rodnei king and roll dirt til tire handcuff gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
talk.politics.misc	temper tantrum articl apr poni ingr garrett ingr write you total ignor asshol sign small mind us filthi languag can articul point not thi case notic that you conveni edit your stupid comment that prc stand for cambodia argu vietnam war and cambodia and you toss boner that your boner you ignor asshol and even vietnames agre that damag cambodia peopl that love canal kind environment disast weird opinion mine and you can rent cheap
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl apr new brandei edu pip brandei edu write that conserv put lot effort into show figur that doesn make differ care fact that popul justifi discrimin don golli gee whiz presid big polici act forc homosexu accept thereof militari despit poll show consist and minor gee that newsworthi tell you fascist polit practic peopl that love canal kind environment disast weird opinion mine and you can rent cheap
talk.politics.misc	cramer evid articl apr sun urz uni heidelberg gsmith lauren iwr uni heidelberg gene smith write articl philc lsd netcom phil netcom phil ronzon write libertarian want state live nambla member want fuck boi you libertarian want fuck children sex and want make thi nambla fuck boi you secret member nambla you suddenli defend fuck children girl you rape todai phil want abolish ag consent not repect not respect for hmm you don not post univers hue and cry rais jewish physic commit anti semit act todai kind boot you wear and libertarian want state live parent capabl protect children predat pedophil btw you haven disassoci you you not member nambla peopl that love canal kind environment disast weird opinion mine and you can rent cheap
talk.politics.misc	nation sale tax movi articl geb new iastat edu atboyken iastat edu aaron boyken write vat will that state and local sale tax noth will sticker cleark ring your purchas gum ga car etc will hit button add anoth top state and local sale tax and that won includ vat previou level sale includ vat previou level vat differ tax vat amount tax govern receiv level purchas price end consum interven level differ vat paid and vat receiv remit govern question true vat feder govern impos sale tax tax paid retail sale not build level product cost that pass consum and reduc deficit that thi never happen lot palett vat vat infinit prefer retail sail tax gerald
talk.politics.misc	billaryklintonkligu illeg war oper somalia peacekeep peaceenforc oper forc us not war legal intern law higher law oper occur agei unit nation can higher author that thi earth
talk.politics.misc	karadz bosnia peac plan that judg wopner karadz trial nevah happen thought
talk.politics.misc	recent member czech republ republ slovakia admit earli thi year liechenstein recent admit san marino last month incred pass for nation sta state nowadai
talk.politics.misc	unit nation gettin busi chapter oper somlia almost chapter cambodia and yugo bout time start forc make peac happen hopefulli will world econom
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talk.politics.misc	kyle rodnei king articl fdk new cso uiuc edu kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu koppenhoef kyle cramm write fact that you bunch cop put live line dai and dai afraid hell larg black gui that larg amount punish and refus submit curiou you that adject import ted frank thf kimbark uchicago edu card moop law school standard disclaim
talk.politics.misc	lesson nazi david irv scholast fraud respond post below consid issu scope revision and princip consid polit implic racist ideolog and inevit outcom tangenti relev soc histori and alt revision direct followup sinc princip consider polit lesson drawn histori nazi parti that deal articl apr oneb almanac kmcvai oneb almanac ken mcvai write dawidowicz point holocaust and historian harvard univers press nadir hitlerolog reach david irv hitler war amateur historian reput german apologist and writer regard for accuraci truth won measur notorieti irv produc page work intend show that hitler kind anim and secretari that weakest leader germani thi centuri and that not murder jew even that murder commit back knowledg consent assum for sake argument that thi case thi mean that hilter guilti mass murder aquiesc particip activ and ardent support import thing realis nazi that system evil singl member onc creat nazi parti murder machin that inevit commit genocid strong prevent rememb that hitler not originali lead nazi parti power oratori allow parti come power had hitler reneg emotiaon expect had creat rank support replac had replac guard beleiv unabl grasp intellectu implic rhetor thi parti that espous nazi style race supremaci ideolog consid danger and evil nazi idea that race peopl inher superior anoth and that greatest goal human achiev racial perfect logic outcom ga chamber auschwitz nazi parti not simpli tale suprem evil singl man lead entir countri astrai evil individu evil system gener and perpetu hitler extreemli evil person built parti arround ego cult center demonstr power thi not mean that free polit constraint and propagandist work hard assert myth that racism can produc strong govern that can cure nation ill emphat reject accept distinct govenr that demonstr strength and that govern decis manner beleiv accept strong govern sinc displai strength made essenti weak import understand that nazi not stupid amor sens that lack moral scrupl act manner spanish inquisit murder and tortur moral fault nazi li axiom not logic implement axiom such parti such nation front david duke klu klux klan front assert truth axiom consid for advoc system that commit genocid conclus that hitler not respons imens evil inescap histor record import not conclus reach that nazi espous set idea that basic correct had unfortun propon evil concept race supremaci primari thi emphaticali not excus individu culpabl thi nevertheless secondari matter promis made racist supremacist parti elect promis will broken circumst permit thi requir replac leader that origin made pledg that will occur hatr suprem justifi creat dynam govern reign for govern polit method provid justif for exist demonstr import rhetor hatr inevit develop question action sinc continu exist object hatr inevit remind essenti impot politician raid tripoli purpos demonstr power import realis that quantum jump polit and extreem progress reinforc popular predjudic action basi that predjudic extreem left trace rout despot assert subjug individu ideolog import that attempt understand dynam polit system that thi not us excus particip leader nation suprem moral burden not voluntarili requir stive such task fundament examin logic progress set axiom conclus moral crime take such duti oblig put interest person concern even person secur inevit that parti such nazi base hatr and idolis symbol power saught commit genocid not inevit that succeed each member system had abil creat chang that had possibl chang dynam realis that individu cannot hope control system not mean accept that individu cannot affect system phill hallam baker phill hallam baker
talk.politics.misc	turkish preisid turgut ozal pass turkish presid turgur ozal pass todai heart attack ankara gmt ozal year bahadir acun acunerbb csugrad edu
talk.politics.misc	swim pool defens articl dasmith husc harvard edu dasmith husc harvard edu david smith write grant simpl fact hold job will improv kid chanc get anoth job futur citi kid want hold minimum wage job monei made deal drug suburban kid want hold minimum wage job monei made deal drug surburban kid hold minimum wage job citi kid give chanc reason you that citi kid incap legitim work ted frank thf kimbark uchicago edu card moop law school standard disclaim
talk.politics.misc	get earli start articl eec nwu edu ptownson ptownson eec nwu edu write juri will make announc saturdai morn pacif time eastern time such ungodli hour guess new not govern want hear polic offic found innoc week juri hung good new govern point view despar need scapegoat lo angel wrong account make announc west coast figur rioter will asleep give troop time move into place rioter particip riot happen peopl like earli listen court announc guess can forward weekend riot disappoint you thi mayor lo angel press confer saturdai morn announc that juri give verdict thi morn hour write thi not that verdict told press confer riot will stop dead track don told statement meanwhil announc juri verdict judg juri and assort court personnel will evacu build helicopt land roof courthous can even walk front door head held high juri duti solemn duti not meant sourc pride instant fame won rioter surpris wait for wake todai peopl earli court hear verdict found that justic serv your dire and cynic predict imagin that you will surpris patrick townson
talk.politics.misc	not concentr child molest articl optilink walsh optilink mark walsh write big differ run busi affair and activ rip peopl and charg homosexu becuas peopl that aid gai diseas activ rip peopl greg hennessi univers virginia usp mail astronomi depart charlottesvil usa internet gsh virginia edu uunet virginia gsh
talk.politics.misc	not concentr child molest articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write that describ straight and homosexu male can you provid evid that doesn ahv massiv select effect thought not slander your part greg hennessi univers virginia usp mail astronomi depart charlottesvil usa internet gsh virginia edu uunet virginia gsh
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl ebm new iastat edu jrbeach iastat edu jeffri beach write articl apr gordian mike gordian michael thoma write pragmat standpoint justif vice peopl will commit crimin alcohol legal for alcohol make you bad damn easi vast social and histor differ alcohol and drug make thi comparison worthless thi meaningless statement make you bad
talk.politics.misc	role nation new media inflam passion theodor kaldi write women wear miniskirt wear underwear and not prostitut suppos slut nope nice women good friend you rape you don dress gee clayton and kaldi engag hominem argument call name you you ignor hominem argument you provid absolut evid chump provid quot judg you want greg hennessi univers virginia usp mail astronomi depart charlottesvil usa internet gsh virginia edu uunet virginia gsh
talk.politics.misc	gun american express car articl apr grace boe rwojcik atc boe richard wojcik write articl misti john anasazi john moor write papresco undergrad math uwaterloo paul prescod write not canada fewer shoot thi had mass murder last twenti year not don gun problem world largest undefend boarder gun happi countri world canada illustr that gun control effect fact supris that differ easi smuggl gun amaz isn fact you that gun control not reason your crime rate low sinc idiot can smuggl gun into canada time paul make point that idiot doesn sure idiot smuggl gun paul feel that exi tenc stricter gun control law had deterr effect thi strang argument make that canada violent crime rate gener lower that gun crime rate greater entir crime rate strang suggest that result gun control law look find specif cultur and enforc reason gun rate low and that reason appli gun rate easili that crimin us gun legal purchas stolen purchas legal restrict legal possess effect reduc gun relat crime fact that find idea punish steal and and commit crime silli solut doesn address question canada blame rise gun crime rate strang that border us magic gun isn make sens that make sens side coin that illeg drug purchas legal stolen peopl purchas legal not convinc that gun commod crimin shown perfectli will pai for illeg sourc stolen polic militari civilian wouldn simpli south american sourc drug come start smuggl gun sinc thrive gun manufactur industri you closer crime statist you realiz that gun crime rate high gun per not issu directli contradict nejm studi that compar crime seattl and vancouv gun rate roughli for citi differ violent crime rate almost total gun relat and not point studi critiqu two seper articl jame wright and david kopel come mind point that differ almost minor relat that gun crime rate skyrocket for poor minor black and hispan primarili you compar white major virut ident problem nejm studi compar minor minor percentag fail into account rel condit minor that eqaul percentag nomn white fail into account that white citi not live condit situat base avail gun expect that white rate two group arguabl fairli compar two citi higher rate seattl major seattl not not significantli higher minor exclud slightli lower violent crime highli concentr citi surpris pick area highest incid poverti drug us diseas etc sinc rate lower suburbia middl class folk can ignor problem point that citi problem not mirror canada such condit significantli canada and violent crime highli correl that area suggest that gun control sourc canada low rate highli question canadian point talk polit gun canada major gun control not result reduct slow increas violent crime rate rise steadili sinc appar didn even mirror larg drop violent crime earli eighti violent crime occur area strict gun control post hoc ergo propter hoc area implement gun control high rate true extent washington gun control institut had crime problem true that crime proceed explod similarli for york question not simpli point time crime high low gun control significantli and posit impact violent crime sinc area faster you can simpli dismiss high crime rate gun control caus gun control institut deal high crime crime not posit impact you can continu that that crime rate that gun control sinc that crime rate increas gun control implement happen canada similar wors rate exist citi poor gun control expect violent crime gener independ gun control and juri question whether recent tough law washington allevi violenc and suicid rate thi law made manufactur liabl for gun and suddenli polic found sell david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.misc	fillibust articl izv dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write articl apr martha utcc utk edu utkvm utk edu david veal write articl jpl dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write articl apr martha utcc utk edu utkvm utk edu david veal write and federalist paper propaganda and difficult determin precis maddison etc coupl wai want you support thi constitut that will appeal you straightforward thi suggest thi constitut good idea you primari situat point that not make pain point consitut aginst yorker interest not want rais opposit base advocaci unpopular principl horror appeal popular principl can perhap question whether constitut written appeal principl you written mind and propoganda put support honest last time you brought valid point your argument simpli propogranda can phill mean argument design convinc hamilton dy wool monarchist and authoritarian extrem jefferson democrat impul you suggest mean determin opinion govern don wrote govern don propos that mean exist for determin true opinion true opinion di and todai opinion not slightest bear matter argument true fals true fals regardl earth you make point call propogranda that irrelev difficulti that poster that argument flaw longer appli modern societi argument question don longer appli that good argument not happi situat appli minor time don that alon suffici invalid aliv todai opinion count men express that care studi mechan govern and that ongo improv requir gave opinion area and prove area wrong ensur that mechan adapt and improv consititut thi can happen willing accept that structur problem polit system requir constitut chang solut sinc constitut basi for polit system requir constitut chang thi case fillibust matter procedur and tradit made part constitut senat power hous lord almost state that hous repres fact british govern had greater power american system principl practic principl that had power that had power british govern todai theoreticali depend will monarch convent monarch seek exercis that power depos subtli that prime minist not identifi polit nation interest manner that presid regularli phill discus power legisl hous prime minist member parliament analg badli presid explain hous repres principl power hous lord senat practic you suggest that writer constitut intend for power gosh darn thing ratifi realiz forgotten put extra restrict senat disagre system not slow simpli design handl demand that handl washington put name forget congress becom citi council reason for that that level govern render unabl come decis decis push higher level not entri level polit scienc will you peopl want law implement will choos level govern attack present chanc get want nation interest group simpli ration thing want feder govern enact law state peopl persuad and contribut make concern abort primarili concentr feder level simpli win that battl state battlefield won extens extend insur medicin and question local govern not fail that hasn that domin local interest local interest want local abid rule can rule past local govern sinc clout wrong place appeal higher level can impos will lower mean real congr unit state decid that traffic light and such pattern that carjack feder oppos local crime peopl want congress will power sell for vote don rise special interest coincid increas power congress congress capabl quick action and power and time hand confin origin jurisidict and allow local autonomi start social welfar model current state subsidi motto plenti state monei hand problem that distribut basi power congress and not basi actual bingo higher government ladder actual matter polit power can concentr higher level peopl cloud find reduc effect order set school project york state you pai state pork defens contract agricultur subsidi etc precis state sinc you beat filibust not simpli leav york educ york remain unconcinv that state union not capabl educ children that want and you leav you worri pork that state and sinc industri can concentr polit power and wealth divid state and want individu voic rel impact problem fillibust not that you bui state that congress acquir power sell pork not case system govern creat fail that oper set condit specif want avoid concentr power that proper thing not reduc power hous attempt greas wheel you system move quicker stupid thing make sens make decis local level you break machin free seizur you can redirect earth want redirect you that you sell pork thing congress congr author sell pork and retain author enact nation legisl grant jurisdict pork problem significantli reduc current block power simpli absolv congress respons come decis current block essenti state that inact prefer action system weight action govern institut sole power enforc decis forc bia make decis good thing push decis lower pyramid won work lower level corrupt case wors not differ lower pyramid that legal legitim author matter constitut feder govern and lower level power harder concentr and you benefit not impos deicison onc you nation decis congression action treat entir countri even similar problem area solut call for and don agre decis local and state rep make option citi council and shoot mouth major law made access peopl hang and end put washington half million constitu curiou you base your assumpt that lower level corrupt fail restrict impli veto easili read mean put check democrat popular unwis execut opinion polici sinc argu federalist paper point phill you brought federalist paper argu fillibust and whether not minor senat allow hold bill you claim senat suppos power hous and contend noth constitut write thi you brought that can decid founder want base federalist paper you argu never argu primarili refer constitut place small restrict senat for hous constitut almost reason work part reason bear arm ammend regul militia justif ambigu constitut nut and bolt document delcar independ high brow reason coupl exampl such reason for power tax and reason for power grant permit articl section that veto meant except measur follow fact senat presid meant revis legisl chamber legislatur not two separ power distinct extend veto becom wasn intend inevit congress abus power make bill want unlik peopl shouldn worri veto fine problem congress almost necessit abus limit constitut presid veto power bill for previou presid us veto for number reason agenda curiou you singl bush presid abus veto record for veto bush phill that absurd bush had veto ridden read fdr you that resembl record not reason restrict senat magic holi number law base senat feel safe state constitu stand and fillibust isn that suffici question whether law good idea not evalu point fact that major oppos minor minor not allow win default not inher wrong bias system action histor governemnt action deal issu bare minor and larg minor not success you posit impos feder power divers peopl feder govern not bare major earth suffici enact law cover million peopl divers place and live radic condit shouldn super major requir bill issu monei bill relat short term propos switch gener question fillibust specif bill don make differ not chang law presupposit favour statu quo arguabl arguabl theyr argu requir bring vote ensur that good argument that isn base sole parti line system simpl major absolut power ignor minor minor will not thi posit thing and for that republican for pork democrat legitim object legisl question you system minor automat win superior complet happi system requir minor for action sinc histori histori carv popul group and implement piec meal minor feel minor suffic clout prevent action feel strongli and tini minor don advoc minor capabl initi actionm problem bias feder system action david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.misc	swim pool defens articl apr midwai uchicago edu thf kimbark uchicago edu ted frank write articl dasmith husc harvard edu dasmith husc harvard edu david smith write grant simpl fact hold job will improv kid chanc get anoth job futur citi kid want hold minimum wage job monei made deal drug suburban kid want hold minimum wage job monei made deal drug surburban kid hold minimum wage job citi kid give chanc reason you that citi kid incap legitim work suppos correct answer not famili valu pose not never mind king sparki banaian almost young kbanaian pitzer claremont edu white gui dept econom pitzer colleg morn and big smile latest gdp forecast face you homer wrote iliad souza
talk.politics.misc	verdict rodnei king feder civil right trial polic offic accus violat rodnei king civil right histori lawrenc powel guilti stacei coon guilti theodor brazenio innoc timothi wind innoc sentenc slate for mid august appeal expect calm michael thoma mike gordian don bambi ey will you that flame thrower hobb calvin usnail irvin av santa ana height pabel fax
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl philc netcom phil netcom phil ronzon write tell you fascist polit practic end discrimin fascism greg hennessi univers virginia usp mail astronomi depart charlottesvil usa internet gsh virginia edu uunet virginia gsh
talk.politics.misc	abolish select servic articl apr harvard edu borden head cfa harvard edu dave borden write select servic registr abolish start draft immor whether you agre that not don and militari expert agre that qualiti arm forc superior volunt armi drafte final govern list comput ir social secur admistr and motor vehicl registri name and can find maintain anoth list peopl utter wast monei and time ax thi depart and reduc deficit bit dave borden borden harvard edu you selfish bastard afraid you sacrafic somth for your countri not approv lone for you bad immor peopl you and current presid don idea thi countri exist year
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag sat apr gmt greg hennessi observ articl philc netcom phil netcom phil ronzon write tell you fascist polit practic end discrimin fascism that call truman forc integr arm forc despit opposit congress and american public that time michael adam starowl rahul net enterpris alabama tilt windmil hurt you windmil lazaru long
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag apr romulu rutger edu kaldi romulu rutger edu theodor kaldi write thi bolster content that homosexu liar thi statement blatantli disgust and free implicit neural activ that will almost complet ignor join pythagorean reform church repent your evil irrat number and bean eat wai accept into your heart call pythagorean reform church bb smack antihispan bigotri sigh amus watch bigot point finger imagin bigot thi person meant bean count and you suggest that hispan eat bean that even monopoli eat bean that thi person promot tongu cheek sig you brain you can your finger type us drywid andrew simchik schnopia uhura rochest edu treewat word weren made for coward happi rhode
talk.politics.misc	swim pool defens articl kbanaian bernard pitzer claremont edu kbanaian bernard pitzer claremont edu king banaian write articl apr midwai uchicago edu thf kimbark uchicago edu ted frank write articl dasmith husc harvard edu dasmith husc harvard edu david smith write grant simpl fact hold job will improv kid chanc get anoth job futur citi kid want hold minimum wage job monei made deal drug suburban kid want hold minimum wage job monei made deal drug surburban kid hold minimum wage job citi kid give chanc reason you that citi kid incap legitim work suppos correct answer not famili valu pose not never mind you assum that famili citi don famili valu hope not
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag jcv new cso uiuc edu dan uxa cso uiuc edu dan write brian gab unt edu brian drakula stone write ax grind scientist and hate statist abus piti you didn us statist justifi target and persecut minor men men and sex gai male had sex time life man that virgin hetero man and had sex woman life wife pleas that hope you feel that you you want experi joi and trial commit for life marriag that make commit greater expect tree make you queer can experi that commit stop commit partner for rest live intent onc find person and whether that person male femal doubt that church ceremoni public vow licenc will make differ whatsoev sort commit experi that person you concept differ marriag make sinc you never statist alon prove that crimin default hetero don forget cultur sadli don societi homosexu normal and awar alot peopl condemn result gai popul not encourag develop promiscu relationship fact roadblock put such commit relationship heterosexu commun put block perpetu claim that gai immor allow gai marri rais children find moral can that can you get idea care make statement and you part solut and not problem thought flame flame drywid andrew simchik schnopia uhura rochest edu treewat word weren made for coward happi rhode
talk.politics.misc	kyle rodnei king thf kimbark uchicago edu ted frank write articl fdk new cso uiuc edu kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu koppenhoef kyle cramm write fact that you bunch cop put live line dai and dai afraid hell larg black gui that larg amount punish and refus submit curiou you that adject import curiou you beign statement and cross post new group includ line alt discrimin rodnei king black and larg larg black male friend and refer larg black men face and you ted larg number adject for you will spare you not into person flame war that your action cross post thi total and you start crap hopefulli will your trite game and not plai
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag apr magnu ac ohio state edu rscharfi magnu ac ohio state edu ryan scharfi write gai gai claim don forget that had partner wonder wasn get laid your bad english quot bet you gai men not promiscu gai men option live straight life and social pressur you lose that wager support argument part you that fact that homosexu compar high hitler storm trooper power put triangl you that hitler devout christian and heterosexu drywid andrew simchik schnopia uhura rochest edu treewat word weren made for coward happi rhode
talk.politics.misc	race and violenc apr gtx gtx alan filipski write even thi citi phoenix rel small black popul black peopl respons for disproportion amount violent crime yesterdai black men rob cafeteria beat employe for appar reason and shot dead even cooper dai ago car full black men open fire car contain young white coupl and babi possibl didn man drive babi slightli injur incid not even unusu even white person start racial prejudic and teach prejud sometim hard can avoid base observ and instinct for preserv taught children that racial prejudic wrong not bad mistaken you counteract effect kind incid answer can work racial prejudic incid thi fan flame can deni that racial prejudic ration respons environ sinc thought hope integr base ignor race and treat each person individu preach divis emphas race valid racism action lead alan filipski gtx corp camelback road phoenix usa internet gtx uunet gtx phone alan you can start teach your children that perpetr crime repres black commun racist hate white repres major cultur ethnic minor fallen into trap that you struggl and trap easi for good idea realiz that demograph relat crime you speak race and socioeconom statu and disenfranchis you find higher crime commun compris ethnic group subgroup that becom dysfunct factor lead that dysfunct ethnic minor not socioeconom disenfranchis for exampl you live area black quit poor for gener white you crime statist reflect dysfunct white peopl you worri whther your children begin white undesir trap spring into action innat compunct defin and rais voic trap becom danger stop listen that voic and stop think ration human interest that black tradition crimin element urban area don racial makeup phoenix can speak your situat live san francisco citi that love tout ethnic divers black gang hispan gang asian model minor gang and even white gang asian gang becom troublesom element for law enforc due propens for engag organ crimin activ peopl street and time you that black gang and crime fear disturb lo angel last year rioter and looter not black even white rememb amaz televis new scene that show loot mob two black percept glean new corrobor numer friend and rel that live lo angel thi countri multi ethnic riot face face and onlin discuss that mind america popular percept that black riot close that you rais interest point that discuss countri spent long ignor racism and attend ill that part cultur peopl afraid face hurt truth and problem becom compound daili cannot afford longer that depend chang current denial and repress you and your children and peopl color luck avoid trap peac brother hokh ton crystal wind storm mdougla netcom and storm data michael dougla llyr and data life player litani long run
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl stevethc netcom steveth netcom steve thoma wri te articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu rscharfi magnu ohio state edu ryan scharfi write legal and stick drug ga station bought cigarett plain silli don find thi silli find silli black humor that spend billion dollar and risk live and freedom american save bunch choic druggi you you find thi silli that letter and argument everbodi think such and such true drug that possibl put drug station marijuana derivit drug that can can kill you you natur drug your decis make skill aren par that differ asprin flinston vitamin etc don even penicilin sold counter second big drunk drive and alchohol problem thi countri marijuana legal undoubtedli peopl us and that problem peopl us stupid and hurt peopl ryan
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl stevethc netcom steveth netcom steve thoma wri te articl fxp new iastat edu jrbeach iastat edu jeffri beach write articl stevethc netcom steveth netcom steve thoma rite boi wod work good stop peopl screw head that exampl issu your friend drug legal not legal continu issu not us illeg drug and not screw pai for thi idiot problem not harm wod hand threat life and livelyhood sacrafic thi that you you pai for thi idiot problem pai for balloon number addict and associ problem don even want hillari white hous and administr that feel pain you for lower taxat and govern you not advoc wod wod partisan issu harm drive school bu full kid into train get stone and drive sidewalk and kill peopl live welfar for rest life ridicul can imagin thi stupid forgiv for flame thi sooooooo obviou case cannot caus legal drug alcohol you for war that you peopl kill alcohol relat accid drug combin peopl access alchohol legal you problem wod that bite send slimi bastard chair for sell drug kid bit yeah that send kid citi viabl mean make monei and turn sell drug crowd feder prison learn real crime thi kid sell crack neighborhood and help demis drug monei pump into blight affluent crime steal each drug bring monei into commun busi that sinc drug illeg economi underground and drug legal neighborhood legal hell sustain underground economi can prolifer constant will infus monei you drug law you put end underground economi and larg scale crime and made murder legal put end murder crime kid citi face tough life grow sell drug and fingertip instantli kid choos sell drug sell product peopl want bui make monei rich white kid suburb prison becom harden crimin and learn that you steal car stereo suburb polic forc spend monei citi save peopl you can bring exampl you want crack babi and whathavey solut never law crack illeg you crack babi that legal social problem great worth destroi freedom america destruct freedom never answer social problem you can even walk street night alon america drug freedom ass ryan
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talk.politics.misc	drug legal good neighbor articl qpakjinniq senat bedfellow mit edu wdstarr athena mit edu wil liam decemb starr write articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu rscharfi magnu ac ohio state edu ryan scharfi legal and stick drug ga station bought cigarett plain silli never heard recommend dosag for drug crack ecstasi chrystal meth and lsd minut report work cocain cigarett pot and heroin govern adopt radic and unamerican idea that citizen free live live and simpli decrimin cocain marijuana heroin lsd etc explain idea allow recreat drug bought cigarett plain silli work fine for nicotin yeah cancer pretti cool isn ryan
talk.politics.misc	bullshit studi gai percentag optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write santa rosa cal press democrat april male sex survei gai activ low naton studi male sexual behavior thorough examin american men sexual practic publish sinc kinsei report decad ago show percent men survei had engag homosexu sex and percent consid exclus homosexu etc etc articl contain number number sexual partner median number sexual partner for men and woman hypothesi can you trust report peopl that idea median bullshit articl report that men sex time week elf time you fill questionnair and had statist that consider class background marit statu etc inform sampl compar tabl post master johnson and kolodni show male homosexu partner appar that homosexu men dramat promiscu gener male popul shame that don breakdown for you you can compar lightli secondari data and discut survei straight men gai men that show even dramat promiscu gai men show dramat ignor press releas writer and popl that read paolo
talk.politics.misc	magazin health care reform march harel doctor and hospit privat canada western europ harelb math cornel edu harel barzilai grad brown write camil colatosti magazin bottom march singl payer model sometim call nation health insur elimin privat insur compani and remov health care employ govern free health care resid and pocket cost wrong countri that us pure public health insur us canada enclos hmo social medicin cost come privat supplementari insur and copay franc magazin summer edit fantast present basic insur coverag includ sampl chart copay percentag for dai you cover for public hospit rate afterward extra privat insur you can into privat hospit and cover for differ public hospit rate public insur cover dai cash amount for privat hospit and differ paid pocket your supplementari privat insur rd french form extra privat insur health cost europ privat fund and not glean tax gdp figur combin public and privat expenditur for total outlai method that yield figur for that french had deduct and copay insur fund credit minor for advoc such back canada make canadian insur real health insur reform parti breakoff traditionalist conserv mildli libertarian faction hold public health insur untouch that peopl remind that not free averag canadian european fiscal naiv american counterpart issu peopl favour copay forget leftist even conserv attack for canadian newsgroup make real insur co insur payment hidden unlik franc and you didn you social medicin american conserv libertarian and canadian leftist call that canadian aren worri american spend worri french and german spend insur thing that shouldn paid for gener fund physic for insur polici sick note electrolysi etc reason that canadian health insur hasn spiral control despit open and univers that unlik american urg spend your benefit worth and you can cultur plai pai model manag competit leav place two element current health care system that reform critic privat for profit insur industri and employ base system coverag manag competit compel employ enrol worker larg pool health insur custom entir industri for exampl sponsor pool network insur compani doctor hospit and health care provid bid for pool busi compet theori basi price and qualiti manag care reli hmo unknown western nation that us public health insur canada franc and germani canadian and german father law hmo nh approach left that east germani hmo nh control cost you manag strangl doctor budget string canada us public health insur approach franc and germani privat doctor and privat and public hospit pure insur hmo divis german coupl hundr interlink sick fund centuri canada divid provinc run insur fund and set local fee doctor monopoli feder fund cover fee disburs such open end system surpris that canada cost insur expens french and german us approach larger popul compact geographi improv scale economi gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
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talk.politics.misc	cu health payer system ujsnyd msuvx memstvx bitnet mizzou missouri edu write never mention work canadian pai tax for free health care system that averag daili worker salari tax canada thi free health care pretti lucki that work alberta ontario and quebec awar that pai for health insur toronto ohip fee list seper pai stub not canadian favour lower tax and cutback spend health insur isn tabl poll juli poll conduct for maclean major english newsmagazin decima research decima presid allen gregg consid world top poll research and mulronei conserv reli power face imposs elect situat haven had chanc thi year version due librari previou american start assault and disinform had shown satisfact and switch american privat system had support statist nois decima poll consid definit even reform parti breakoff traditionalist conserv mildli libertarian faction hold public health insur untouch that peopl remind that not free averag canadian european fiscal naiv american counterpart issu person feel that univers health insur approach us canada franc and germani pai privat health provid nomin free market not unlik america minu hmo depend lot valu societi basic health for life not view market insur market address that basic health care not view level ownership vcr american plenti room left for expenditur privat fund extra insur lastli nois canadian system not contain cost fact system bankrupt explain thi hopefulli that canadian reader can understand and concur gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
talk.politics.misc	clinton presid radio interview pittsburgh white hous offic press secretari pittsburgh pennsylvania for releas april interview presid michael white kdka radio pittsburgh pittsburgh intern airport pittsburgh pennsylvania edt for listen kdka radio mike white kdka radio new pittsburgh intern airport and presid unit state bill clinton and you area and kdka presid you mike glad lot thing talk amount time new break lo angel guess entir countri kind hold breath wonder happen trial lo angel polic offic heard that two offic sergeant sergeant koon and offic powel found guilti and two offic found not guilti situat that build for year sinc trial and thi trial and thi verdict and your thought thi morn you situat lo angel connect your administr and you presid american peopl that thi trial judgment tribut work and judgment juri effort feder govern develop case law offic complex standard proof complic juri decid that convict sergeant respons for supervis offic and offic film beat juri acquit offic kick rodnei king plainli shield blow and anoth offic rooki exactli appear that justic acknowledg that civil right violat and that american peopl lot pride that hope can begin ahead and focu thing import bring thi countri togeth and not violat civil right american secondli import renew fight crime import recogn that poorest area lo angel and citi thi countri peopl worri polic abus even worri crime time that renew effort commun polic put polic offic street pass bradi bill that requir wait period peopl bui handgun and thing reduc vulner peopl violenc and drug and last point make that reded ourselv econom revit citi and econom distress area you lo angel want job had don quit problem and laid ambiti program campaign bring privat invest and public invest bear citi dispatch commerc secretari ron brown california come strategi for that state biggest state highest unemploy rate appli countri want talk and attornei gener head naacp reverend jackson and peopl and decid regard lo angel and citi countri talk bring you pittsburgh area todai guess lot discuss capitol hill your stimulu packag you lock battl gop yesterdai you earlier your radio address you made move break that gridlock bring you pittsburgh allegheni counti pennsylvania that battl presid two reason pittsburgh allegheni counti and pennsylvania support last elect want direct econom polici pass econom plan countri budget for year had previou reduc deficit and time increas invest job and educ and health care thing that will make stronger countri addit that ask congress short run spend monei modest amount monei creat anoth half million job year and half cut unemploy rate half percent spark job creation privat sector plan pass hous support major senat present time republican senat bloc filibust bill that won come vote that senat specter vote for bill and that senat dole republican leader put lot pressur lot republican stai hitch and that thi bill increas deficit doesn thi bill below spend target that congress approv includ republican for thi year thi bill paid for budget cut year thi bill design give jump start economi and lot republican senat that hold bush presid vote for billion dollar emerg spend thi kind total unrel creat job break thi logjam held oliv branch offer compromis that put american work show that chang direct countri and that purpos bill you touch senat specter offic presid talk regularli white hous congression liaison oper senat that open thi senat specter senat amato york senat jefford vermont senat hatfield oregon and six job thi economi and that pai for thi budget cut life budget present you lot appeal big deficit shouldn increas truth that pai for thi budget cut life budget year and importantli thi program below spend target that congress approv for thi year and thi for year republican vote for republican vote for for thing that weren import put american peopl back work hope that thi doesn becom polit issu peopl thi countri and for job question peopl support you and peopl skeptic your administr hope and fear lot peopl support you and vote for you pennsylvania glad white hous thi incred process problem thi gridlock and begin thi work can you pull and your skeptic knew thi presid peopl rememb that frankli move fast budget resolut that congress pass fastest pass budget resolut histori set year budget target move rapidli and work polit reform welfar reform health care reform wide rang thing big oper you can expect turn overnight year produc condit led victori receiv peopl novemb and can turn dai make real real progress urg peopl not discourag not win battl and not happen overnight move and chang thing you presid unit state bill clinton live pittsburgh intern airport mike white kdka new end edt
talk.politics.misc	clinton presid radio address white hous offic press secretari pittsburgh pennslyvania for releas april radio address nation presid pittsburgh intern airport pittsburgh pennsylvania edt presid good morn voic come you thi morn facil oldest radio station america kdka pittsburgh visit citi meet person citizen discuss plan for job health care and economi want weekli broadcast american peopl told thi station broadcast report that year presidenti elect past decad presid found wai touch peopl whistl stop tour fire side chat bu tour that adopt vice presid gore last year campaign saturdai morn thi time talk you fellow american problem your mind and and solv report you and give you hold account you washington govern and economi move year paralysi and polici and bad experi trickl econom you import for make bold comprehens busi live competit global economi nation rise and fall skill worker competit compani imagin industri and cooper experi and spirit that exist busi labor and govern economi industri world suffer slow growth made smart invest and tough choic govern for long that move ahead and peopl fall economi todai that even grow not produc job increas debt nation time last year and don show for that wage work peopl stop rise that peopl work longer work week and that famili can longer afford escal cost health care that tool incent and encourag worker and busi can make kind product and profit economi expand opportun and make commun place live critic product todai american low cost high qualiti produc task make that creat kind job two month ago gave congress plan for long term job and econom growth prioriti washington and put emphasi peopl real increas invest and job and educ cut feder deficit stop wast pai dividend and redirect preciou resourc invest that creat job and lai groundwork for robust econom growth futur direct pass congress record time and creat sens hope and opportun countri job plan present congress creat hundr thousand job privat sector and pass hous repres support major unit state senat held filibust minor senat senat block vote that result passag bill and creation job issu isn polit issu peopl million american wait for thi legisl and count count washington job bill ground gridlock american peopl tire busi usual and polit usual don want spin wheel want recoveri move step break thi gridlock and extra mile yesterdai offer cut size thi plan percent billion billion not hope for million american for full time work simpli can bill languish that even compromis bill will mean hundr thousand job for peopl mandat act achiev chang and move countri forward take thi initi face unrel senat talkathon can respond your mandat and achiev signific portion origin goal want program that need gener job and meet human includ highwai and road construct summer job for young peopl immun for children construct wast water site and aid small busi want fund for extend unemploy compens benefit for peopl unemploi for long time economi isn creat job second recommend that program bill cut across board percent and recommend element thi program immedi start attempt fight crime provid million for citi and town rehir polic offic lost job recess and put back work protect peopl fight for tough crime bill peopl thi countri and deserv peopl filibust thi bill republican senat won vote for increas deficit spend extra spend thi year that hasn approv that sound reason doesn don thi program paid for budget cut year budget and thi budget spend limit approv congress thi year amaz that senat filibust bill vote previou administr for billion dollar kind emerg spend and not design put american peopl work thi not deficit spend offer plan cut deficit thi your prioriti peopl polit mind that job bill paid for dollar for dollar paid for budget cut and soundest invest can make for ourselv and children urg american anoth thi job and invest program benefit for help make american partner work ensur futur nation and strength economi you american want job had wouldn lot problem thi countri todai thi bill not miracl modest step set job creation explos thi countri step and fulli paid for life budget your lawmak you import bill pass winner good morn and you for listen end edt
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl apr romulu rutger edu kaldi romulu rutger edu theodor kaldi write properli write promiscu answer homosexu not quit answer homosexu heterosexu and bisexu not simpli lot peopl tzoq good speller dog tzoq uwo rhode island redekop obelix gaul csd uwo junyer bear bernoulli content die had such co phi
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talk.politics.misc	hunt marin gai bash wilmington verdict jon atla mitr org shum write articl wolv durham wolf wolv durham sad dai for civil right typic typic for principl reason doubt upheld north carolina count that state favor reason doubt date back human right time civil right civil right issu state string attach choos grantor right and that mean that verdict determin state guilt innoc tradit sens subject object make harder anticip and you sacrif for wrong inadvertantli onc that small price pai for common good don you cutter gloster mind org chri job easi person doesn holt law
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu rscharfi magnu ac ohio state edu ryan scharfi write articl cyf murdoch acc virginia edu lfoard hopper virginia edu wrenc foard write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write santa rosa cal press democrat april male sex survei gai activ low naton studi male sexual behavior thorough examin american men sexual practic publish sinc kinsei report decad ago show percent men survei had engag homosexu sex and percent consid exclus homosexu figur homosexu studi releas wednesdai alan guttmach institut significantli lower percent figur that part convent wisdom sinc publish kinsei report gai gai claim last check person haven even elect repres for gaydom ascrib thing you repres member straight commun will interest reaction million queer gather washington million thi event unprecid histori dream abort and african american civil right ralli don even bring half that that point million queer you had start wonder valid studi join pythagorean reform church repent your evil irrat number and bean eat wai accept into your heart call pythagorean reform church bb
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl apr romulu rutger edu kaldi romulu rutger edu theodor kaldi write articl cyf murdoch acc virginia edu lfoard hopper virginia edu lawrenc foard write thi bolster content that homosexu liar thi studi prove wrong prove that heterosexu liar unlik propaganda spout ten percent figur back studi time that thi studi correct sinc hasn even for time for doubl check happen alan guttmach institut btw fund plan parenthood qualifi bastion conservat famili valu had found invalid fund plan parenthood will interest reaction million queer gather washington million thi event unprecid histori thi preassum that million queer will show april won anywher that ahead make dai promot that number that will sure greater embarrass and slap face homosexu activist crowd smaller even million point stand even get popul place unprecid even million show will rais doubt thi studi resolv unprecid human histori btw you notic that even slick willi isn town that dai isn target march presid speak civil right march nice republican and conserv democrat notic join pythagorean reform church repent your evil irrat number and bean eat wai accept into your heart call pythagorean reform church bb smack antihispan bigotri thi quit amus you noth histori math join pythagorean reform church repent your evil irrat number and bean eat wai accept into your heart call pythagorean reform church bb
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr articl apr rigel tamu edu gmw rigel tamu edu grinch write articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write thi strawman argument and fail ground thi case limit and big govern not defin point that lebanon somalia and yugoslavia definit nation limit govern canada and nation western europ peopl live point nation big govern libertarian point view explain differ linit govern and fail govern limit govern power circumscrib fulli capabl enforc decis circumscrib area fail govern incap enforc decis sporadicli two complet beast face question circumscrib govern power and circumscrib complex societi interest capitalist consum refrain govern power for end apart that conundrum that societi fail govern ideal set for libertarian ideal implement you suppos that never occur argument not want limit govern and want unlimit govern govern regul capitalist economi serv worthwhil end and such regul desir empir ground justifi ideolog ground regul such vaug word wouldn call vagu call elast regul not necessarili oppos govern regul libertarian treat system command economi that regul rel free market ident that reason rest find analysi simplist jsh grinch steve hendrick domain steveh thor isc thing data cut uunet isc thor steveh bull hofferbert bell
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr articl apr rigel tamu edu gmw rigel tamu edu grinch write articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write case case basi cost benefit ratio govern regul worthwhil libertarian agenda not call for thi assess assum that cost regul kind outweigh benefit thi approach avoid sort difficult analysi strike rest dogmat assum you mean that analyz cost benefit ratio govern regul case case basi worthwhil suggest that thi not option regul regul not you don option suggest that such analysi left regul fact invent govern movement such cost benefit approach analysi public spend libertarian learn pass amend prevent liscens law valid assum you convinc peopl that good idea elimin liscens law serv good purpos vast major maintain worthwhil assum not feasibl strike that feasibl approach not feasibl wholesal attack govern regul and licens that treat cut hair and practic medicin equival task object analysi medic care educ nation defens local polic that suggest free market can provid effect effici mean accomplish social object provid statist approach notabl except not such nitti gritti worthwhil analysi carri profess libertarian jsh note that exampl tend govern area like win approv libertarian area public spend that strike gener substanti support libertarian polic and defens interest that commit libertarian claim principl coercion area public spend that frequent support involv hire peopl gun hmmm objection govern expenditur entitl biggest individu will suggest that consid defens ground that sort danegeld revolutionari person don feel fear allianc geezer and unw mother led shelter life perhap you suggest that you that revolutionari frequent gener support act protector geezer mother and children govern that ignor such peopl ground that don fear peril jsh grinch steve hendrick domain steveh thor isc thing data cut uunet isc thor steveh bull hofferbert bell
talk.politics.misc	propaganda fillibust articl otox bji dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write articl veal utkvm utk edu veal utkvm utk edu david veal write articl izv dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write simpli propogranda can phill mean argument design convinc make secret state explicitli post that polit propagandist numer occas post thi group not wrong group for exampl numer occas state quit that beleiv that faction gun lobbi worst advoc and prepar power provid platform can convinc peopl hope that peopl fixat lethal weapon danger and derrang you happen polit posit not peopl advoc harm good point peopl even accus invent such advoc pure for purpos trash set polit view fact thi futil tactic never hope invent charact danger sybok athena edu man quit mentali ill and potenti psychopath local sherif offic inform that unabl act until attack advantag and draw back requir proof part govern action citizen and part reason weapon you point that make thi current argument absolut sanctiti constitut answer not argu absolut sanctiti constitut fact fillibust talk isn constitut object your suggest that senat wasn intend exercis power firstli that current polit scene polit scene becom ti special interest chase conveni caricatur put media and polititian for thi gai right cmapaign environmentalist zionist jew foreign lobbyist vote power etc sugest that you benefit inevit conclus that major corpor own ultra wealthi that benefit regan and bush creat can describ welfar state for rich point that reagan had republican major senat term and coalit hous apart time bush never had real support congress real point that pork big corpor gui last night leav conveni store arm junk food bought food stamp spent food stamp junk make week and not govern assit monei divert program address social and pour into weapon industri form cost profit contract lesse pull almanac total govern budget outlai billion dollar est trillion dollar increas approx billion dollar nation defens cost billion dollar billion dollar and increas billion dollar that leav increas billion dollar unaccount for thi repres increas incom secur includ retir program hous assit and unemploy benefit and welfar cost billion dollar billion dollar nation defens start thi repres increas feder govern spent billion dollar medicar spent billion dollar increas fed spent billion dollar hous credit and subsidi that billion health care servic and research billion dollar billion dollar agricultur billion billion scienc billion billion resourc conserv billion billion educ billion billion veteran benefit billion billion trasnport billion billion thing decreas energi categori primarili suppli and commun develop area disast relief and two repres loss billion dollar thi huge divers order rectifi thi situat constitut revis not that stretch current govern push presid creat thi mess wouldn expect begin equal onc pressur secondli form thi revis account chang circumsatnc role feder govern assum that role posit role want continu posit constitut cannot us frustrat democrat process constitut design frustrat democrat process that voter absolut get want time happen put brake democrat process inher bad thing califronia ride edg and time pull ballot initi nonsens get wors peoplr want welfar spend feder govern will sometim perhap time peopl told and point local govern attempt prevent thi constitut trickeri lead constitut brought into disreput phill you great favor repeat that talk polit gun method will found bypass such provis and onc govern get us bypass provis will bypass ammend cute can elimin violat law elimin law thi major reason gun exclud implic that thi equal free speech danger free speech alon danger phill peopl that mass ownership lethal weapon thousand murder year danger conclus reach that ammend danger mistak phill you gotta show clear pattern reduct homicid rate across countri and that not current mind you reduct note that thi not slipperi slope argument freedom speech chain privileg weaponri that danger aris advoc thi pivileg not allow chain freedom speech such that fall freedom speech fall such action not action peopl genuin interest freedom chain freedom speech call freedom thirdli and importantli want discov mechan wherbi can engend intellectu debat oppos totem debat grave threat civilis loss abil reason polit debat superfici level object rais your base your case assert supremaci constitut that currenc your argument limit currenc totem base danger totem that can reinterpret wai peopl phill you master subtli chang subject haven base argument raw democraci constitut explain isn good idea time refer constitut point doesn restrict veto and senat you meant didn make constitut doesn fillibust rule that rule good idea you dismiss that vener constitut isn constitut david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.misc	race and violenc joe usual thi issu dysfunct bad valu mess cultur easili embrac african american come explain problem commun your post you appar find idea that wrong african american wise cultur wise appeal never ceas amaz eager african american embrac theori problem basic assert that wrong socio econom factor produc high crime level poverti exist larg proport mean come discuss african american problem becom exempt type factor and problem laid doorstep neboul dysfunct supposedli attribut crime white american dysfunct that socioeconom factor for africa american gotta dysfunct basic thi tendenc for african american that wrong exist african american don want deal possiblil that societi deepli bias african american and that thi problem not that societi deepli racist and structur that thi effect neg effect wrong african american quick disregard busi find wrong take good hard thing damag angri werent damn typic peac aaron
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write face question circumscrib govern power and circumscrib complex societi interest capitalist consum refrain govern power for end apart that conundrum complet answer thi question obviou that step convinc peopl thi desir result quit lot peopl feel that command economi eastern europ fail due corrupt essenti weak caommand economi and you major thi nation that favor keep unenforc and unenforc law book order send signal that societi fail govern ideal set for libertarian ideal implement you suppos that never occur fail you feel thi place constant combat isn conduc intellectu theoriz tend invad can come stabl societi regul such vaug word wouldn call vagu call elast regul not necessarili oppos govern regul libertarian treat system command economi that regul rel free market ident that reason rest find analysi simplist umm distinct vagu and elast thi context posit connot rate thi steve hendrick domain steveh thor isc thing data cut uunet isc thor steveh bull hofferbert bell incident thi libertarian newsgroup you can bullshit you grinch
talk.politics.misc	not disast articl philc mea netcom phil netcom phil ronzon write articl vega iii rhockin enrico tmc edu russ write articl philc netcom phil netcom phil ronzon write not you appar anoth member religi left not not member religi left even center fact don religi thi will result flame fact phil you leav religion cloud issu relig left worship tree river planet and hate peopl and religi worship engin smokestack landfil and hate peopl thi name call you claim truth environment disast noth that read thi thread heard talk suggest that peopl fit definit you give religi left come phil prime motiv for protect environ that peopl can continu live healthili disagre maintain healthi environ for peopl show environment disast aren and natur disast had individu outweigh man made russ respons delet save space guess you miss newspap articl thi week exxon present evidnc astm issu valdez incid that valdez recov despit religi left cri hundr year repair that hulk wow suppos you mean alaskan shore that devast valdez accid haven articl exactli ocean and shore life return sand clean microbi sampl back normal balanc fish and fowl popul return relgiou left claim yearsb put kuwait oil fire you face fact love canal not and not environment disast even problem time beach and tmi and acid rain kill tree and not problem you move mile island imagin cheap properti natur occur catastroph event disast that destroi properti hurrican tornado earthquak not leav toxic wast that prevent peopl build live man made disast oil spill toxic dump radioact wast dispers death and make area unliv initi event peopl that love canal kind environment disast weird opinion mine and you can rent cheap dougla young dyoung ecst csuchico edu don expect discuss net
talk.politics.misc	fillibust articl ovfr dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write articl veal utkvm utk edu veal utkvm utk edu david veal write senat power hous lord almost state that hous repres fact british govern had greater power american system principl practic principl that had power that had power british parliament principl absolut power monarch stabil system rest not defin case clear abus side side can act remedi situat two institut absolut power cute talk practic monarch happen start social welfar model current state subsidi motto plenti state monei hand problem that distribut basi power congress and not basi actual bingo higher government ladder actual matter polit power can concentr higher level peopl cloud find reduc effect that not point you illustr problem order set school project york state you pai state pork defens contract agricultur subsidi etc precis state sinc you beat filibust not simpli leav york educ york remain unconcinv that state union not capabl educ children that want point redistribut cash poor area ecconomi rich contend that state union not ampl wealth choos spend run perfectli accept educ system contend that amount monei spent suffici spent badli vice versa you aren republican phill republican respons for huge increas social program respons for you don contend congress blame democrat and republican alik societi simpli write area countri that ecconom weak you end basket case ecconomi inevit cycl busi act phase produc busi cycl countercycl local can experi boom bust cycl nation trend produc strong ecconomi you ensur that bust area not fall bellow level cannot ecconom rebuilt worst area europ case talk educ industri area collaps respons ensur that children that area good educ area school close halfwai year for lack monei live onc such area you woefulli ignor situat time tennesse school district close governor ask for million dollar for bicentennti celebr licens plat almost breath want rais unemploy compens and reduc tax paid into don rest countri educ problem stem directli two problem lack monei state btw tennesse consid tax heaven and economi strongest countri correl monei spend primarli administr averag administr make two and half time averag teacher make and suck enorm amount revenu and governor make concert effort creat educ crisi order push for pet incom tax idiot program fund state fund for art counti seat school close not lack fund unwilling spend educ parent hot button educ cut easier peopl pai for children ugli art constitut nut and bolt document delcar independ high brow reason coupl exampl such reason for power tax and reason for power grant permit articl section declar independ cam decad earlier and not line justif for constitut you argu that into broad concept spoke eloqu govern base consent govern fact protract whing price tea design govern pretti daft idea for bunch gui sit arround design structur govern matter british armi remain settl continent congress had set bylaw wasn quit govern mean make decis had creat low georg washington opinion extend veto becom wasn intend inevit congress abus power make bill want unlik peopl shouldn worri veto fine problem congress almost necessit abus congress democrat bodi system speak heresi holi democrat order govern built democrat presid fairli broad power includ veto not fairest system elect two year term mean that member recent mandat and senat intend act balanc thi democraci intention avoid consid good thing place democrat block impuls action hand period elect made year antiphas presidenti cycl depend fund rais special interest present long congress sell peopl will pai for congressmen rake monei not inher wrong bias system action histor governemnt action deal issu bare minor and larg minor not success you posit impos feder power divers peopl feder govern not bare major word david think that reactionari vote progress progress don want reactionari move backward benefit state lot peopl and histor law that sort minor arent effect sinc geograph concentr wield feder big stick don shouldn make argument peopl not agre call republican democrat not republican republican and democrat democrat ask time and you answer isn democrat knew democrat don true direct democraci and peopl advoc thi modif democraci bia action wors david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.misc	diplomat licens plate articl apr linu mitr org mwunix mitr org jame meritt write automobil belong personnel associ embassi nation diplomat licens plate red white and blue and read dll letter and number mean diplomat and countri year ago teh mean regist driver diplomat immun that mean can damn road and you god your protect state depart issu saa xxx plate for personnel work embassi haven grant immun embassi restrict park for embassi personel street side plate us park area restrict lot nation and state dept lot crap pat
talk.politics.misc	myth nation health insur articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write differ litig environ reflect fee lack defens medicin and absenc malpractic spend expens approach pure insur nation health insur wouldn make sens find cut cost malpractic insur and that not such good thing read that imposs canada litig health system class action suit imposs and you can sue provinci health offici part deal for insur approach french and german hei don critic franc and germani peopl french and german colleg make accus stick preserv doctor independ sinc provinci wing cma that bat fee schedul hike present polit bent doctor cackl realiz cma grow strength diminish unoppos unlik social medicin approach britain nation health servic don ama thi power american whether doctor lobbi power for life threaten thing market argument adequ cover procedur scarcer demand friend can make live specialist back manitoba not due insur rate won custom cma medic monopoli grip doctor licenc move larger place thi not refut debunk wait line for urgent and routin care consum report health polici studi cite prof denni shea usenet cnn nyt etc yeah nation defens medic centr ottawa theoret limit servic personnel studi heard suggest that half patient civilian not connect aren urgent problem system hospit annual budget approv govern you polit consider medic decis bet that you mpp good friend you put hospit urgent care list matter minor your problem you get bump list for bigshot wouldn nation health insur mean that american fulli insur settl for canada provinci insur cover health cost dental care eyeglass prescript drug ambul servic and privat hospit room canadian end bui privat insur polici cover thing run month hmm differ make figur percentag gnp spent health care dentistri and optometri includ account canada spend proportion health care thing note that canada franc germani case privat insur offload basic coverag public sector realiz keep low risk high profit extra insur for thing privat semi privat room ward accomod dental glass etc for corpor person benefit noth you you want cover for basic care that point wouldn even voucher approach broker univers coverag and sell polici make differ feder guidelin and market stuff happen health care system financi collaps bob rae second popular man ontario warn ontarian year ago that didn stop cross border shop such huge number servic expect provinc won year fortun for and fortun for retail western york canadian dollar back realist didn knew meant ohip happen warn turn truth privat insur slack oblig eventu make monei you true loath and practic handl such basic servic wouldn free care encourag peopl run doctor for ach and pain peopl free treatment doctor and hospit pai share medic bill canadian pai noth doctor lower per person health bill free that deduct copay two thing advoc make canadian insur real health insur that work alberta ontario and quebec awar that pai for health insur toronto ohip fee list pai stub manitoba not collect paychequ time annual incom tax time built into tax rate fiscal naif will proclaim that free canadian left for that part brainwash agenda that free american start anoth revolut had pai tax canadian rate isn privat health insur industri big and power kill dismantl health segment insur industri polit thorni quiet word advoc for nation plan firm sell billion health insur put hard fight not industri grown eightfold sinc canada shut health insur govern leav politician open lobbyist canada parliamentari system health insur exist canada and western europ that doesn cover basic care you can opt canada and germani you uninsur result peopl that market privat insur realiz monei make risk involv basic insur neurosurgeri versu delux amen call granada replac rental set fritz privat hospit room start pat back for social respons quebec last spring consortium privat insur publicli warn thought privat routin low cost part that provinc public health insur plan doubt american give insur compani that power half canadian health insur didn provinc and feder govern year ago knew that good chanc public system bust long run and clean thi sort contradict higher anoth possibl ad bonu argu govern involv industri point failur cite theoret principl
talk.politics.misc	abolish select servic william fractl cornel edu write articl apr harvard edu borden head cfa harvard edu dave borden write select servic registr abolish start draft immor whether you agre that not don and militari expert agre that qualiti arm forc superior volunt armi drafte final govern list comput ir social secur admistr and motor vehicl registri name and can find maintain anoth list peopl utter wast monei and time ax thi depart and reduc deficit bit dave borden borden harvard edu you selfish bastard afraid you sacrafic somth for your countri not approv lone for you bad immor peopl you and current presid don idea thi countri exist year thi countri exist year peopl forc govern fight foreign war don bill
talk.politics.misc	kyle rodnei king qqfam ogh usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu vern morrison write previou articl kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu koppenhoef kyle cramm thf kimbark uchicago edu ted frank write articl fdk new cso uiuc edu kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu koppenhoef kyle cramm write fact that you bunch cop put live line dai and dai afraid hell larg black gui that larg amount punish and refus submit curiou you that adject import curiou you beign statement and cross post new group includ line alt discrimin rodnei king black and larg larg black male friend and refer larg black men face and you ted larg number adject for you will spare you not into person flame war that your action cross post thi total and you start crap hopefulli will your trite game and not plai you haven address ted statement wait yeah curiou you felt compel remind gui race btw don mean impli that you clueless statement benign hokh ton crystal wind storm mdougla netcom and storm data michael dougla llyr and data life player litani long run
talk.politics.misc	high speed rail bad articl apr poni ingr garrett ingr sky fell write didn your post can comment high speed rail alot bad taint corrupt that speed limit commut track northeast mph that resembl high speed rail thi countri and requir massiv govern subsidi don anoth govern boondoggl john haugh pgp utexa edu rpp jfh bell dof jfh rpp cactu org ponzi scheme good dictionari will pictur joe liber handout stop feder spend cut deficit
talk.politics.misc	govern and you articl apr infonod ingr albeaj jima ingr jim albea write articl mar isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write ouch that hurt accus breadth depth histor knowledg unwil agre that econom inequ lead poverti and social and polit instabl you read your histori poverti main engin social instabl thi context put religi turmoil mass migrat etc fact matter that poverti imperfectli relat social and polit instabl econom inequ strongli relat virtual major revolut includ england puritan revolut franc russia and china revolut occur economi undergo substanti long term growth and poverti declin set revolut massiv inequ coupl percept part bottom that social chang poverti main engin social instabl thi typic histor pattern not hold fact revolut typic nineteenth centuri sinc that time delet gee jim you check constitut you find order promot gener welfar ordain and establish thi constitut surpris you miss paragraph thought you made preambl you almost and good you follow your advic preambl constitut read you quot not forget that preambl not bind part constitut and carri weight law that poor tortur paragraph unfortun passag english languag wit legion blowhard vagu floweri phrase part law land you that politician give lip servic promot gener welfar limit constitut buddi blowhard manag includ gener welfar anoth portion constitut articl section congress power lai and collect tax pai debt and provid for common defenc and gener welfar unit state guess want make understood meant preambl make you point experi constitut read follow preambl peopl promot gener welfar ordain and establish thi constitut for unit state america constitut feder govern function and function provid for defens nation note constitut doesn that govern not two function defens and welfar sinc explicitli includ gener welfar and defens articl section guess you grant that botha constitut function jsh steve hendrick domain steveh thor isc thing data cut uunet isc thor steveh bull hofferbert bell
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr articl apr tijc pj tijc paul schmidt write steveh thor isc steve hendrick write articl apr tijc pj tijc paul schmidt write failur libertarian ideolog not provid reason restrain such action utopian dream societi collaps peopl evil time david bergland agre peopl basic evil last thing you want big govern staf evil folk exercis control you david bergland agre freedom unleash creativ energi peopl and lead higher level incom and social progress report agre argument not want limit govern and want unlimit govern govern regul capitalist economi serv worthwhil end and such regul desir empir ground justifi ideolog ground good summari sell your labor good that you can eat and bui hous essenti that you can excercis your person freedom paul schmidt advoc for govern davi crockett chapter presid and thi demonstr assum that you liber steve hendrick domain steveh thor isc thing data cut uunet isc thor steveh bull hofferbert bell
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr articl apr venu tamu edu gmw venu tamu edu grinch write articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write that societi fail govern ideal set for libertarian ideal implement you suppos that never occur fail you feel thi place constant combat isn conduc intellectu theoriz tend invad can come stabl societi and reason that soviet union couldn achiev ideal pure commun hostil surround capitalist nation huh thi sound familiar onc utopian dream confront real world grinch steve hendrick domain steveh thor isc thing data cut uunet isc thor steveh bull hofferbert bell
talk.politics.misc	myth nation health insur pxgt ubvmsb buffalo edu daniel case write gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write differ litig environ reflect fee lack defens medicin and absenc malpractic spend expens approach pure insur and that not such good thing read that imposs canada litig health system class action suit imposs and you can sue provinci health offici sinc doctor privat and system insur plan litig not involv insur fund lawyer not work conting that you sue for malpractic you win cover your fee likewis you doctor and subject suit time sweat sinc provinci wing cma that bat fee schedul hike present polit bent doctor cackl realiz cma grow strength diminish unoppos unlik social medicin approach britain nation health servic don ama thi power american whether doctor lobbi power week ago presid canadian wrote letter nyt decri lobbyist advert repeat trash thi signific ama and cma interlink organ and not approv ama croni yeah nation defens medic centr ottawa theoret limit servic personnel studi heard suggest that half patient civilian not connect aren urgent serv purpos bethesda naval hospit sinc not hospit can provid stuff that don ottawa popul quarter million you includ surround counti problem system hospit annual budget approv govern you polit consider medic decis bet that you mpp good friend you put hospit urgent care list matter minor your problem you get bump list for bigshot peopl influenc will system american european golden rule gold make rule for annual budget annual grant for facil mop pan etc hospit privat nonprofit foundat btw problem aggress for profit hospit french us approach pari region almost peopl canada market divers rest made for bill patient us servic wouldn nation health insur mean that american fulli insur settl for canada provinci insur cover health cost dental care eyeglass prescript drug ambul servic and privat hospit room canadian end bui privat insur polici cover thing run month hmm differ make figur percentag gnp spent health care dentistri and optometri includ account canada spend proportion health care gdp figur combin public and privat expenditur for total outlai and compil us method oecd that yield figur for happen health care system financi collaps collect premium and advoc copay french system order make real insur that privat doctor and hospit will insur hypoth disappear appear bob rae second popular man ontario warn ontarian year ago that didn stop cross border shop such huge number servic expect provinc won year for thing that bob rae idiot didn knew meant ohip ohip come separ premium your paycheck you player spend monei thing health insur high tax high for spend health insur separ and option and spent nonpartisan manner parti ohip health insur plan not provid kind health care that you and your privat doctor privat insur slack oblig eventu make monei you true loath and practic handl such basic servic compani provid extra insur subsidiari american compani and parent provid full insur firm north can easili turn cabl american firm involv basic coverag privat firm make monei rid basic coverag run pat selv back for cooper provid extra for peopl deserv privat insur realiz monei make risk involv basic insur neurosurgeri versu delux amen call granada replac rental set fritz privat hospit room start pat back for social respons quebec last spring consortium privat insur publicli warn thought privat routin low cost part that provinc public health insur plan doubt american give insur compani that power half canadian health insur didn provinc and feder govern year ago knew that good chanc public system bust long run and clean thi sort contradict higher anoth possibl ad bonu argu govern involv industri point failur cite theoret principl agre win win situat that won bigger you full coffer friend sister mba class flown for job interview individu insur firm london canada insur capitol hartford gener expens privileg thi year despit ongo post recess blue gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write articl apr rigel tamu edu gmw rigel tamu edu grinch write articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write face question circumscrib govern power and circumscrib complex societi interest capitalist consum refrain govern power for end apart that conundrum thi difficult problem for good solut approach simpli and move polit opinion and hope libertarian consensu last for anoth approach and amend constitut origin constitut restrain govern econom intervent for year depend count amend weaken wai restrain govern state and local even issu major favor censorship libertarian happi anoth year restraint amend two not that that like happen not necessarili hendrick poster thi problem libertarian that cannot stabl that true not object libertarian per libertarian polit consensu form for decad two and fall apart back thi unlik case for social socialist consensu that held for and fell apart not leav lot bureaucraci that hard rid not tyranni end condit strong socialist consensu ervan darnel ervan rice edu
talk.politics.misc	malpractic not issu myth nation health articl acsu buffalo edu pxgt ubvmsb buffalo edu daniel case write articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write differ litig environ reflect fee lack defens medicin and absenc malpractic spend expens approach pure insur nation health insur wouldn make sens find cut cost malpractic insur malpractic and defens medicin main factor explain spiral health care cost aren gari correct note that malpractic relat problem greater canada mean account for differ health care cost account for somewhat larger portion differ physician gross incom two countri fact malpractic insur and award account for total health care cost survei physician conduct nation medic journal physician averag pai practic receipt malpractic insur malpractic insur premium and malpractic award peak declin significantli sinc time health care cost increas period histori defens medicin concern ama estim that total impact billion per year that total current increas health care cost and estim group that expect overestim impact defens medicin health care small problem thi scheme thing clinton record for long time favor indemnif malpractic suit follow procedur set specialti thi elimin not frivol suit retain abil sue for true malpractic jsh steve hendrick domain steveh thor isc thing data cut uunet isc thor steveh bull hofferbert bell
talk.politics.misc	kyle rodnei king articl new cso uiuc edu kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu koppenhoef kyle cramm write thf kimbark uchicago edu ted frank write articl fdk new cso uiuc edu kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu koppenhoef kyle cramm write fact that you bunch cop put live line dai and dai afraid hell larg black gui that larg amount punish and refus submit curiou you that adject import curiou you beign statement and cross post new group includ line alt discrimin exsqueez your origin post alt discrimin your post cross post group followup cross post two omit soc motss engag meta discuss topic you answer question pose your statement beign you troubl polit respond polit queri ted frank thf kimbark uchicago edu card moop law school standard disclaim
talk.politics.misc	temper tantrum phil you evid suggest that nixon victim overzeal underl and kennedi woman disgust blob dash megalomania crush cia and fbi kennedi wouldn creat version american friendli fascism don evid thi nation citizen privi hour total hour nixon tape rest babi archivist allud that evid suggest that nixon and croni includ georg bush awar plot murder kennedi shot dalla your local charg for crime and you phil putz thi shit final come you and men privileg stick pole your ass and parad you main street sign your chest apologist for american fascist regim circa that for love brecht ian imag that reaction killfil thi week mpa
talk.politics.misc	temper tantrum articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write broke dnc for open question tape archivist suggest had kennedi assasin hear tape real mpa
talk.politics.misc	abolish select servic dave borden borden head cfa harvard edu wrote select servic registr abolish start draft immor whether you agre that not don and militari expert agre that qualiti arm forc superior volunt armi drafte final govern list comput ir social secur admistr and motor vehicl registri name and can find maintain anoth list peopl utter wast monei and time ax thi depart and reduc deficit bit gridlock talk anoth relic past select servic system creat job and invest futur america and what wrong that job thi point recoveri economi gener billion job and sinc not govern step and shut select servic cost good job and can that involv select servic close direct manner select servic involv environment protect high speed rail commut aircraft civil right nation servic and health care dollar put into select servic will spend futur that select servic long past due for creation cabinet posit your not hope back america side and start your part for chang bill you support for econom stimulu and health care reform you devot your energi fight gridlock and support chang team evil banish washington and time for complaint past neccessari and rememb bill clinton care somedai even town meet your citi your sort person you phrase your question properli and show proper respect and aw you chanc presid your question person
talk.politics.misc	rnitedac and violenc glad that you recogn that peopl not engag denial and repress and acknowledg such unit state peopl recogn that repress place loss and outright abrog civil liberti and constitut protect citizen thi recognit form civil right law discuss feder level for such usc seq usc seq thi recognit repress time manifest form collect guilt want peopl recogn denial can that white peopl numer commit crime unit state white peopl major can that black peopl commit disproportion amount crime unit state relat number popul view experi polic offic larg metropolitan area and citizen peopl account for behavior and for behavior commun noth will improv regard neal
talk.politics.misc	top ten excus for slick willi record set disapprov rati articl emoryu emori edu libwca emori edu bill anderson write shapiro sofba enet dec steve shapiro write and btw william jefferson blyth clinton not and fail understand us that name insult you feel that adopt impli sort moral fail sign aristocrt touch middl class you georg herbert walker bush that and that not full name even quayl had honeymoon period last full hour chosen bush run mate kevin podsiadlik vaporwar engin class thi contribut presid mail hampton ai org make tax deduct compuserv larri wright
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write articl apr venu tamu edu gmw venu tamu edu grinch write articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write that societi fail govern ideal set for libertarian ideal implement you suppos that never occur fail you feel thi place constant combat isn conduc intellectu theoriz tend invad can come stabl societi and reason that soviet union couldn achiev ideal pure commun hostil surround capitalist nation huh thi sound familiar onc utopian dream confront real world steve hendrick domain steveh thor isc steve you suggest that fail govern ideal prove ground never felt that place quit contrari prove ground someplac that had governemnt that prevent outright act agress had strong spirit individu and initi someplac texa grinch
talk.politics.misc	kyle rodnei king thf kimbark uchicago edu ted frank write articl new cso uiuc edu kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu koppenhoef kyle cramm write thf kimbark uchicago edu ted frank write articl fdk new cso uiuc edu kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu koppenhoef kyle cramm write fact that you bunch cop put live line dai and dai afraid hell larg black gui that larg amount punish and refus submit curiou you that adject import curiou you beign statement and cross post new group includ line alt discrimin exsqueez your origin post alt discrimin your post cross post group followup cross post two omit soc motss engag meta discuss topic you answer question pose your statement beign you troubl polit respond polit queri don your queri exactli polit will give you polit responc atyp net black descript adject that describ king newspap radio and new report thi adject commonli front name never complain us thi adject us benign manner not that king good black not king and not make thi ascertian evid thi effect us pure descript adject manner new peopl us past entir second trial race ted don feel compel discuss king racial background had king white not second trial you that beat not occur white that extrem difficult call make case not defin your action crap ted divis adject black derogenori manner you happier had us african american you lost world you instrument get person net access revok and you copi messag sy admin plea that not worthi post you thi polit inquiri make
talk.politics.misc	interest fact oop forgot set read permiss fix ftp netcom login anonym password your email address pub mvp binari clinton zip you pkzip latest net zip deflat thi econom stat sinc dai myriad wai slick willi and gang prepar ron brown desk distort pro democrat can you face come util microsoft mike van pelt perform save and loan mvp netcom gui rememb put backup and restor not mvp lsil mention edlin your hard disk lincoln spector
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write not you don option suggest that such analysi left regul fact invent govern movement such cost benefit approach analysi public spend libertarian learn explain thi vote for such creatur senat wors presid vote not for specif polici for gener packag cover issu for year such influenc highli dilut add that even free vote individu regul vast amount time requir for regul combin small chanc vote make differ make unreason expect voter make intellig decis respect specif regul strike that feasibl approach not feasibl wholesal attack govern regul and licens that treat cut hair and practic medicin equival task not you mean feasibl thi case you mean that imposs pricipl that undesir fact area public spend that strike gener substanti support libertarian polic and defens you fit mention and educ minor anoth possibl sinc minor gener consid not respons make decis adult interest that commit libertarian claim principl coercion area public spend that frequent support involv hire peopl gun hmmm you thi surpris fact consequ libertarian philosophi coersiv function dealt privat follow that function remain state coersiv perhap you suggest that you that revolutionari frequent gener support act protector geezer mother and children govern that ignor such peopl ground that don fear peril like drunken teenag group questionar like wors and revolut event that you miss earlier sarcasm thi directli idea that such program social secur afdc consid defens idea advanc th and newsgroup absurd lie unworthi consider you disput thi don want patron you labor delus that social econom system intellig and honest person make decis feel parti ad transact bit like ignor corrupt buyer seller don expect you agre you explain you feel wrong grinch
talk.politics.misc	hunt marin gai bash wilmington verdict articl juinngu senat bedfellow mit edu wdstarr athena mit edu william decemb starr write articl apr lynx dac northeastern edu tfarrel lynx dac northeastern edu thoma farrel good case king good case defens lawyer ask victim question kind sexual pervers you particip and you made good case speak six week and tuition bill unemploi slob law degre transcript thi trial happen immedi defens attornei ask that question assum that report that accur not accus tom farrel make thi sort case that spawn garbl misquot fals rumor and urban legend tribbl nice that prosecutor object irrelev prejudici inflammatori your pick and that judg upheld object hear thi question ask radio new updat case talk ongo trial and had audio clip immedi defens attornei ask question object heard background clip end that point don object upheld can imagin that bad arrest offic bastard told purpos and hope victim die and you defens made good case lose apar not win transcript read bit that new media arrest offic testifi that defend calmli ask condit homo and that hope die thi heard offic testifi that defend that alon that purpos thi didn hear audio clip heard report number time new stori and trial purpos thing stretch had come remeb thi second point feel free clarifi frank frank chloupek chloupek ohstpi mp ohio state edu depart physic ohio state univers not ohio state univers hard and fast rule place parti place rourk
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag didn studi ask you engag homosexu intercours last two year kinsei ask you engag thought engag homosexu activ sort differ you yogurt thi morn and you allerg lactos michal impress amount materi can accret thi manner
talk.politics.misc	anita hill give pubic hair prove kaldi romulu rutger edu theodor kaldi write articl mar zooid guild org goid zooid guild org will eev write lani herrmann wonder clinton administr troubl find suitabl nomine for post attornei gener superior candid refer prof anita hill michael friedman pick republican will investig rumor that sometim return paper student coupl pubic hair insert page prof hill biggest fan find thi hard you suppli post prefer proof thi newspap articl document such alleg etc your ignor thi unsurpris you canadian and complet loss you interest thi that american issu properli absolut concern you interest gender issu not limit intern boundari exchang inform american issu concern countri event answer your question david brock articl real anita hill publish march issu american spectat thi page had mention thi journal gave inform bizarr incid alleg happen school year oral robert univers sworn affidavit date octob and file senat judiciari committe lawrenc shile lawyer tulsa recount shortli class had begun professor hill gave written assign complet and duli turn thi assign pass class mark professor sit fellow student jeffrei londoff and mark stewart open assign and review grade and comment made anita hill found ten twelv short black pubic hair page assign glanc jeff londoff assign and similar pubic hair work time made statement londoff that had low opinion work had grade assign bathroom mark stewart overheard convers and that had similar pubic hair assign thi stand joke student for remaind year class student that class confirm stori londoff couldn that hair pubic thought that come hill head sinc short coars and curli and hill had had hair head straighten anoth student hair not want identifi origin you you thi satisfi you you curiou thi never not canada cnn thoma nomin hear sure that claim sexual harass great deal credibl shown that had guilti you regard sworn statement senat committe equival toilet paper ahemmm depend for instanc sworn statement warren commiss that statement toilet paper us that case answer will steev goid zooid guild org neil hull goid zooid bb toronto ontario zoo id goid rule solv patriarchi instal peterarchi peter hanu upei slmr scott beami
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr articl apr venu tamu edu gmw venu tamu edu grinch write articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write explain thi vote for such creatur senat wors presid vote not for specif polici for gener packag cover issu for year such influenc highli dilut add that even free vote individu regul vast amount time requir for regul combin small chanc vote make differ make unreason expect voter make intellig decis respect specif regul afraid that lost thread didn suggest that govern regul subject referenda don follow comment strike that feasibl approach not feasibl wholesal attack govern regul and licens that treat cut hair and practic medicin equival task not you mean feasibl thi case you mean that imposs pricipl that undesir fact mean that ideolog that treat govern regul equal undesir and seek abolish regul draw support miniscul portion elector suggest that such plan not feasibl industri societi weight litig and miseri produc effect crush product effort area public spend that strike gener substanti support libertarian polic and defens interest that commit libertarian claim principl coercion area public spend that frequent support involv hire peopl gun hmmm you thi surpris fact consequ libertarian philosophi coersiv function dealt privat follow that function remain state coersiv not surpris interest that hand libertarian assum limit govern can decre posit entir govern made peopl carri gun realiz that libertarian assum that such govern will counterbalanc fulli arm citizenri worth note that widespread civilian ownership gun not necessarili prevent establish totalitarian govern iraq perhap you suggest that you that revolutionari frequent gener support act protector geezer mother and children govern that ignor such peopl ground that don fear peril like drunken teenag group questionar like wors and revolut event that you miss earlier sarcasm thi directli idea that such program social secur afdc consid defens idea advanc th and newsgroup absurd lie unworthi consider you disput thi yup sinc support constitut requir that govern provid for gener welfar articl section will justifi such program that basi don want patron you labor delus that social econom system intellig and honest person make decis feel parti ad transact bit like ignor corrupt buyer seller don expect you agre you explain you feel wrong place don support social econom system limit that capit fine idea not case that parti like ignor corrupt buyer seller multitud exampl such statement demonstr fals regul stock market transact that provid reason basi for buyer avoid fraud exampl jsh grinch steve hendrick domain steveh thor isc thing data cut uunet isc thor steveh bull hofferbert bell
talk.politics.misc	bush clinton wiretap initi previou articl garrett ingr sky fell articl inet dec blh uibois idbsu edu broward horn write guess your strength isn math clinton hasn presid for month word bush wiretap initi you bail diff nevertheless suggest you that differ propos bill stall congress and execut order cram throat you disagre strongli urg you move save you oversea into protect bank account you you post offic fridai passport app save convert
talk.politics.misc	rnitedac and violenc articl ovg magpi linknet neal magpi linknet neal view experi polic offic larg metropolitan area and citizen peopl account for behavior and for behavior commun noth will improv wait minut agre you that peopl respons for behavior assum that you meant word account for behavior commun you talk and secondli lot troubl theori social behavior justic charg duti take respons for account for action person william decemb starr wdstarr athena mit edu
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu rscharfi magnu ac ohio state edu ryan scharfi write bet you gai men not promiscu gai men option live straight life and social pressur geez you ryan propos thi theori month ago step even survei show men had homosexu encount even larger percentag peopl had homosexu erot fantasi popul gai can peopl don identifi gai demonstr gai potenti larg chunk peopl chose accur forc choos forc religion and social sanction put feel heterosexu cramer and kaldi fall into thi categori peopl hung choic sinc chose and homosexu flaunt pervers choos not societi dictat that aw pervert chose gleefulli admit that heterosexu met man and chose indulg homoerot potenti that elf elf halcyon elf sternberg purpos write inflat weak idea obscur pure reason and inhibit clariti pratic write can intimid and impenetr fog bill watterson calvin
talk.politics.misc	abolish select servic articl qpvj dfp fitz cornel edu william fractl cornel edu respons dave borden you selfish bastard afraid you sacrafic somth for your countri not approv lone for you bad immor peopl you and current presid don idea thi countri exist year william reason that thi countri stand year that militari conscript forc young men fight for that don strongli volunt for militari servic support perhap fact that countri stand not good new william decemb starr wdstarr athena mit edu
talk.politics.misc	clinton wiretap initi previou articl helfman aero org robert helfman articl inet dec blh uibois idbsu edu broward horn write you thi newsgroup you find clinton propos wiretap initi for comput network and telephon system thi initi congress for past month guis fbi wiretap bill kind brainless clod post garbag kind brainless clod doesn understand differ propos bill block congress and execut order issu clinton and cram throat give remedi think order creat appear low interest rate uncl sam shift debt long term short term secur effect uncl sam transform feder gover into giant wait blow short term rate rise interest payment deficit rise uncl sammi borrow caus short term rate rise uncl sammi get caught posit feedback loop option rais tax unimagin amount make unimagin spend cut result larg number piss citizen result larg number piss citizen uncl sammi thoughtfulli initi pre empt us commun newtwork foster nation wide grassroot upris
talk.politics.misc	kyle rodnei king articl peai new cso uiuc edu kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu koppenhoef kyle cramm write thf kimbark uchicago edu ted frank write articl fdk new cso uiuc edu kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu koppenhoef kyle cramm write fact that you bunch cop put live line dai and dai afraid hell larg black gui that larg amount punish and refus submit curiou you that adject import black descript adject that describ king newspap radio and new report thi adject commonli front name never complain us thi adject us benign manner not that king good black not king and not make thi ascertian evid thi effect us pure descript adject manner new peopl us past question whether king black question aris whether king race make polic offic afraid hell your statement impli that cop standard for larg black gui for larg gui gener that two post you don understand point your us adject almost inform your origin us ted frank thf kimbark uchicago edu card moop law school standard disclaim
talk.politics.misc	histori danger articl ajv usenet uc indiana edu mrynder bronz uc indiana edu mauric rynder write articl apr alleg edu meyerj jon meyer write articl apr nwnexu pyotr halcyon peter hamp write drieux wetwar drieux drieux write pp call end clinton illeg war somalia hold tex not war that part reaganbushlegaci yeah creat starvat put warlord yep brainwash media haven you reagan thi bet peopl had never even heard somalia reagan administr boi and girl ogadan war monei rais band aid cover cost soviet client state replac catagori weapon system lost aforement war joke arm world not that funni gonzo station design for usn area and primari threat target area ciao drieux hand big sea comedi hand big sea comedi last call wild humour lem
talk.politics.misc	homosexu tire thi debat gai such argument basic worthless imho matter million peopl regularli deni access hous employ and person secur even for death threat happen person experi that gai peopl like receiv base polit veiw even person philosophi relat issu sexual orient heterosex ual not week that person friend not physic verbal harrass for even appear gai garaunte unalien right current form govern theori dai gai peopl victim local govern polic forc and for part uninform and ignor public thi democraci don societi sens justic judg basi treatment peopl make that societi peopl and that includ gai lesbian and bisexu crime victim and vari and divers societi wich part frank jordan gai arab bassoonist unit
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl stevethc nwnn netcom steveth netcom steve thoma wri te articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu rscharfi magnu ac ohio state edu ryan scharfi write social problem great worth destroi freedom america destruct freedom never answer social problem you can even walk street night alon america drug freedom ass ryan exact can you walk street safe will jump shadow and sell you drug mug hand that you walk steet bustl lawless part your metropolitan area lawless and bustl read underground economi you pursu thi fantasi that crime deriv underground economi not safe place you bui drug explain wod major larg scale crime america head guardian angl agre legal drug and watch violent haaahaaaahaaaa crime significantli decreas for walk tonight alon feel safe hope fda fbi dea batf isn back apart confisc properti found phone number written phone booth that us drug dealer yeah buddi thi happen time happen you that thought that sens don feel safe honest law abid citizen drug law includ ftm that fear govern fear crimin your foolish freedom ass thi not found father thrown prison todai drug law had mind problem you come pale comparison fact that fiber countri constitut destroi good part even wod reduc crime creat class crimin head gang current leader bill clinton dea etc privat armi that answer directli presid possess advanc weapon and survail technolog thi sound familiar you support mein furher clinton hmmmmmm you come current adminstr you eager endow even power power danger kind that drug stai illeg don ryan
talk.politics.misc	drug legal articl qrohrinnip senat bedfellow mit edu wdstarr athena mit edu wil liam decemb starr write articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu rscharfi magnu ac ohio state edu ryan scharfi legal and stick drug ga station bought cigarett plain silli ryan scharfi govern adopt radic and unamerican idea that citizen free live live and simpli decrimin cocain marijuana heroin lsd etc explain idea allow recreat drug bought cigarett plain silli work fine for nicotin wdstarr yeah cancer pretti cool isn ryan explain cool lack thereof cancer relev discuss legal illeg recreat drug for that matter explain even relev discuss legal recreat drug such tobacco wdstarr you work tobacco fascisi can spell worth damn thi get ridicul tobacco legal can differ tobacco and marijuana high ryan
talk.politics.misc	hunt marin gai bash wilmington verdict kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu koppenhoef kyle cramm write tfarrel lynx dac northeastern edu thoma farrel write funni lot second that video and polic involv guilti don excus possibl come that make don care rodnei king satan excus whether black want beat arrest anoth separ question that insuffici inform make kind conclus fact that you bunch cop put live line dai and dai afraid hell larg black gui that larg amount punish and refus submit yeah you watch start video king prone postion and charg cop video cut you sit and watch start finish agre you polic carri bit rodnei king angel and don guilti verdict return you hand guilti verdict two offic quit simpl compromis avoid riot place minor riot hate thi like riot prepar open season your skin even slightli brown hei motto you don fuck stuff and you don kill that simpl toni anthoni pelliccio you read system garlic sb man code thhhppptt extra flame retard sysadmin exactli year thi calm sig
talk.politics.misc	drug legal good neighbor wdstarr athena mit edu william decemb starr write legal and stick drug ga station bought cigarett plain silli never heard recommend dosag for drug crack ecstasi chrystal meth and lsd minut report work cocain cigarett pot and heroin govern adopt radic and unamerican idea that citizen free live live and simpli decrimin cocain marijuana heroin lsd etc explain idea allow recreat drug bought cigarett plain silli work fine for nicotin favor drug legal problem hope that peopl dispos simpli overdos quickli and make mess thisg thi straight medic treatment cost and ineffici govern make
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talk.politics.misc	role nation new media inflam passion articl qjtmjinnq elroi jpl nasa gov carlo beowulf jpl nasa gov carlo carrion write come conclus that station want riot happen verdict come thi surpris time can pulitz last year michael thoma mike gordian don bambi ey will you that flame thrower hobb calvin usnail irvin av santa ana height pabel fax
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl stevethc jgcr netcom steveth netcom steve thoma wri te justifi war drug dare you friend mine smoke pot dai and last tuesdai hit acid troubl aim for bowl take dump don result boi cut drug war and peopl screw head steve thoma steveth rossinc ryan
talk.politics.misc	nation sale tax movi nation sale tax cnn new logo cool that mean man glad that quit work take thi bust ass watch time frustrat pretti damn mad yeah free health care yeeaaaahhhh heh heh bill make feel danc amaz predict incred bromeist you back feburari incred bromeist predict per middl class taxpay tax nation sale tax for aammmaaaazzzzzziinnnnggggg predict nst will rais ooop nst will rais unemploy will rise iii tax revenu will declin deficit will increas anoth deficit reduct packag will danc and sing yup gonna glanc watch bail ambl lake hang sit sun and easi yeah had mail address total gumbi that clinton didn propos nst paraphras hilari clinton will not rais tax middl class pai for program paraphras bill clinton will not rais tax middl class pai for program
talk.politics.misc	high speed rail bad bmich utexa edu brian keith michalk write week ago found polit that texa bullet train and appal appar underhand tactic push thi thing public whatsoev wrote short editori thing and post hope discuss suppos editori don ask for gener opinion net propos high speed train you person stupid idea and that peopl rich thi deal opinion thi societi economi primarili base capit role govern provid good and servic that provid for gener public good govern suppli good and servic imposs for privat enterpris individu make monei provid agre post that thi train can not make monei and will reli heavili state tax dollar question becom gener public train not will thi train lubbock texa inexpens air travel provid dalla and houston don peopl dalla houston david mcgaughei texa tech univers
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr articl encor rcollin encor roger collin write pictur not randomli pick libertarian posit govern not allow us initi forc achiev goal special interest can influenc govern us initi forc behalf govern forc doesn libertarian posit that govern can us forc forc even that forc not direct govern citizen that true safeguard govern claim that initi forc part respons burn main tonkin gulf incid assault waco thi not argu understand followup alt polit libertarian cdt rocket stratu you that speak for compani cdt vo stratu write todai for special investor packet
talk.politics.misc	return noth parti articl organpip uug arizona edu ec bigdog engr arizona edu david anderson write articl hdm wetwar drieux wetwar drieux drieux write case resolv whether support biblic liter and enerr bibl whether wish jump sexularhumanist detain true christian death camp approach northern liber abolitionist and effort destroi bibl corrupt moral fibr american and lead god fear into bondag liber degeneraci guess bibl christian and american histori helen didn spew such crap you manag drieux dai dai you advoc that you noth american histori that you noth bibl thi restor noth parti ciao drieux free negro sailor act and suprem court rule and importantli thi complic mytholog that black slave hand big sea comedi hand big sea comedi last call wild humour lem
talk.politics.misc	stop sexularhumanistoppress belov damn ferign articl hiu spss gregott spss greg ott write articl hcrw junior bintec muftix junior bintec juergen ernst guenther write never understood canadian mexican brazilian etc accus peopl for imperi american not european you american and bunch blasphem trash that god extinguish sooner not surpris that contin that produc fascism commun and two world war quit peopl tend peopl trash that extinguish sooner rememb gut call hitler felt wonder fate europ god had extinguish thi nation blasphem trash not that god million peopl world die forc stop insan bloodi european imperi thankfulli imperialist help put end game that rest world can sleep alittl safe care not european long can greg ott opinion rememb that had god extinguish blasphem trash europ and imperi unit state not exist todai put end game beg question chicken egg brown
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr articl encor rcollin encor write articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write you don mean govern prevent tool busi interest left wing big govern convent liber will you vote anti competit regul that favor auto dealer hear libertarian desir limit incumb term weaken govern elimin power enforc antitrust law and desir elimin legisl pai each strike ineffect insur that auto dealer and special interest cannot influenc public polici fact design accomplish opposit govern not allow us initi forc achiev goal special interest can influenc govern us initi forc behalf fine libertarian and anarchist not alon uncomfort us state sponsor coercion notion that coercion can virtual elimin societi properli that onc elimin part state longer worth consider view that peculiar libertarian and anarchist for exampl initi forc coercion includ tax collect includ minim level regul commerc envis adam smith sinc coercion can exercis actor state state deal exclus fact arbitr legal compuls mean reach such restrict govern anoth topic address briefli won happen libertarian domin philosophi mean make libertarian domin philosophi statist run educ monopoli creativ advoc for govern report seminar particip embrac libertarian that mean lobbi for compulsori seminar attend jest admit that pictur libertarian amwai particip somewhat reassur idea govern complex conflictu industri societi ventur point that libertarian couldn convinc group seminar particip embrac philosophi propaganda skill hone frankli great trick creat govern for societi almost assum agre proper govern polici onc that assum sort annoi formal can dispens elect polic etc and marx state will wither you explain elimin virtual polici that restrain privat coercion current societi will live happier live social short term pain that bear had benefit educ regular seminar train jsh roger collin steve hendrick domain steveh thor isc thing data cut uunet isc thor steveh bull hofferbert bell
talk.politics.misc	urgent ted frank want for kill teel articl apr eff org mnemon eff org mike godwin write articl bvqy fld dscomsa desi hallam zeu desi write punish person for post such thing smack authoritarian deliber act fraud intend harm you unclear legal mean fraud mere misrepresent not fraud your comment meant put fail for reason you edit context action discuss never brought legal definit us english languag and not legal dialect legal definit fraud countri anoth case context discuss moral censorship post your site such thing your site univers you person believ that univers endors comment made univers site that refer specif compani good you person believ that compani endors comment made univers site you extrapol statement made circumst such act censorship permiss teel case you had bother read post prove stupid you thought you mode argument form rhetor argument exampl describ wide set circumst action permis and demonstr that not appli action not permis compani post univers adress squash contrari internet comerci us usenet not distribut letterhead organ desydeutsch elektronen synchrotron experi zeu bei hera suggest strongli that you mean for thi letterhead you stationeri design you clutch straw context discuss fact associ compani and post that import typefac etc inconsequenti peopl net openli support murder member famili sigh you impli that ly suggest you read mark holohan and ulick stafford post into soc cultur british you suggest that advoc murder trivial matter prefer that you state directli oppos sidiqui and ayatolah khomenhi call for murder salman rushdi incit murder not part legitim freedom speech for your notion that employe can argu polit view expens you explain precis expens you talk internet not free connect charg quit expens for comerci concern you give cost breakdown for expens your compani attribut employe post polit view disagr number that irrelev case not increment cost facil cost decid that compani associ subscrib usenet that usenet connect properti compani quit legitim for compani polit agenda and regul us properti accord polici for exampl microsoft employe post window crap don bui microsoft machin reason for microsoft sack that employe compani decid that polit object regul post polit manner thi wors rupert murdoch paper polit platform for view refer arrog your posit quot word written slave owner freedom word written slave owner quot don recal quot you not quot refer your constitut not consid sacrosanct part globe assum don amend talisman you attempt argu king jame bibl muslim point that your reason parochi effort you made substant point made effort appar you made effort misunderstand your articl consist refer ammend your signatur and pretti damn for exampl public that understand thi index censorship us subscrib not move index regularli publish opinion american amend repres free speech principl for open societi opinion dissent law lord spycatch case you refer initi hear injunct judgment substant case initi hear that govern won judg not unreson judgment that assert govern that nation interest harm ground for prior restraint second set hear substanc judg that govern had case and that offici secret act not us suppress inform thwe public domain part that won copyright issu separ issu censorship case that inform divulg understand that will not commun parti ammend not appli thi case numer prosecut spi prove crux spycatch affair extrateritori british law censorship aspect aros result govern ludicr attempt prevent summari case book you haven reason that reach unquestioningli you write for purport oppos argument assert you assert lot funni that reject assert that you had made reject assert make contrari assert sinc thi assert unprov left that not you demonstr command contrari opinion your you attack anti censorship view dare accept valid pro censorship argument reject conclus not absolutist thi funni idea that solut thi problem not decid group white male gentri secret session and sumar singl line don that issu half simpl you impli you that anti american disallow recours ammend that thi argument currenc part world state censorship such iran kewait and israel don pretend gear discours for conceiv audienc don that you geer your discours audienc save that prove that you person wear white hat phill hallam baker
talk.politics.misc	top ten excus for slick willi record set disapprov rati previou articl mb psuvm psu edu mark mark sach articl qhr usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu broward horn that doesn attitud that peopl stupid don agre you not bring you great success life free advic hahahahahah christ hahahahah whew mark earth make you give fuck success hell tax thi excel holi christ ahem examin record broward clinton tax holi fuck you mark not month laugh thi broward come nation sale tax clinton support bill never that want free predict make smile georg bush us defend bill clinton can you imagin sadder left georg bush final argument true republican pretti pathet novemb yup sure almost pathet clinton suppot april chumbo watch that appoint lake hour past due you full time work thing work won you want enjoi minut free time and free health care reason back work bill
talk.politics.misc	clinton immun program previou articl paul hsh paul havemann togeth mon you word meet boss boss and choru won fool hmmm can side bet thi
talk.politics.misc	clinton immun program articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu jlinder magnu ac ohio state edu jeffrei linder write articl fjsl ncratl atlantaga ncr mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr mark wilson write new last night clinton bash republican for stonewal call stimulu packag that small item thi packag pai for free immun for poor kid immun for children thi countri free you care problem not cost irrespon parent stupid lazi case you haven notic clintonit push univers health care access program access mean that folk not give damn immun children will health care servic deliv doorstep disclaim opinion express mine not employ
talk.politics.misc	state justic trial articl apr desir wright edu demon desir wright edu not boomer write judg deni trial motion even two wit that occup truck dead impact not fire thought kind scari you realiz that judg start deni trial even evid that contradict fact that led previou rule hand kind scari never final verdict parti litig oop forgot bring thi evid and demand trial you bite appl judg decid that wit not believ shouldn that juri gener motor find wit litig you arm plaintiff su gener motor pull stunt and made relitig issu that lost not gener motor couldn file discoveri motion delai trial found wit want and member previou juri parad talk show proclaim obviou bia defin obviou bia shouldn that for judg verdict and call for trial move for trial ground perhap had reason ted frank thf kimbark uchicago edu card moop law school standard disclaim
talk.politics.misc	clinton immun program articl jobh apollo goykhman apollo red her write articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu jlinder magnu ac ohio state edu jeffrei linder write articl fjsl ncratl atlantaga ncr mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr mark wilson write new last night clinton bash republican for stonewal call stimulu packag that small item thi packag pai for free immun for poor kid immun for children thi countri free you care problem not cost irrespon parent stupid lazi case you haven notic clintonit push univers health care access program access mean that folk not give damn immun children will health care servic deliv doorstep read program that ran into problem convinc parent children immun even deliv doorstep don that sheet inform risk side effect and bad reaction scare david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.misc	top ten sign that ag aquariu pennsylvania avenu paolucci spot colorado edu paolucci paul write articl gpto newsserv technet ipser solomon technet ipser write top ten sign that ag aquariu pennsylvania avenu bias and decidedli not funni dave stuff delet hope that enjoi list stuff delet clinton fan ipser fan not simpli stop read thi isn intend flame your post remind joke patient doctor hurt thi doctor stop that regard jeff
talk.politics.misc	will itali domino fall articl newsserv technet ipser solomon technet ipser write will itali domino fall social collaps eastern europ and soviet disunion linger western europ and unit state remain primari ideolog heart and mind liber academia and media polit correct can muster not suffici hold back econom forc that threaten spread social collaps second world appar dai that social not even surviv turn centuri never demonstr remark knowleg social polit system come that swede discard and french made histori turn socialist parti record set defeat itali that appear precari edg polit exist that leav germani japan and exampl countri wing govern verg collaps and usa elect socialist govern itali todai basket case even european standard introduc tax month and public sector revenu gdp mark etc you can pin thi left blame side equal deep into corrupt scandal untain parti northern leagu bunch nationalist separatist and communist parti collaps spite thi polit gluteni annual deficit exceed sum countri and public debt time that latin america itali understand troubl sell treasuri bond market and itali extrem case uniqu european govern head direct spite nomin socialist govern european european that will discov american style liberti will like lurch social fascism quickli had move fascism social never paus reasses role govern hope wrong budget deficit regan and bush creat togeth start make claim europ collaps base budget deficit usa scale and europ interest ipser type freed you not want countri run narrow elit rich lawyer for benefit super wealthi quit happi social democraci and despit fuss made time and newsweek remark revers social welfar reform brought social problem social that start aim free educ and health care and provis welfar state thi achiev across europ usa struggl catch problem for social succeed claim that collaps social pretti declin nation state will lead anarchi sinc politician cut essenti servic pork lo angel rampant crime and frantic wait for wave riot spank subwai that us and public transit system world will never econom viabl you extort tax payer you cut mass transit polic protect start discu think that europ hand hasn heard european citi world hurtl chao even centuri approach opposit happen itali that communist parti collaps thi meant that grand coalit and left wing parti communist collaps magistr seiz thi opportun crack hard fraud and corrupt and arrest half politician fact that socialist charg thi week incident into corrupt baddli like happen fring parti elect parliamentari deputi replac and parti forc peopl free hint corrupt for parliament pavarotti and porn star phill hallam baker
talk.politics.misc	return noth parti articl jlq wetwar drieux wetwar write articl organpip uug arizona edu ec bigdog engr arizona edu david anderson write articl hdm wetwar drieux wetwar drieux drieux write guess bibl christian and american histori helen didn spew such crap you manag drieux dai dai you advoc that you noth american histori that you noth bibl thi restor noth parti easi drieux american noth ciao drieux hand big sea comedi hand big sea comedi last call wild humour lem panick snap authur garrett johnson thi cultur shock you wait till garrett ingr settl into situat and found bear start panick dougla adam
talk.politics.misc	foreign media reaction april part articl apr node hub org ndallen node hub org nigel allen write press releas unit state inform agenc digest foreign media reaction unit state inform agenc april nation desk contact ann chermak unit state inform agenc washington april part digest foreign media reaction april compil unit state inform agenc terror and world insecur recent editori iran univers recogn sourc doubl threat state sponsor terror and islam extrem thi fear and condemn journalist found common ground that compel north and south and arab and arab nation work togeth combat global threat terror for exampl egyptian and algerian paper forefront charg complic current instabl middl east comment assert that unit state had promot islam fundament afghanistan war and had ad region instabl altern encourag iraq and iran cad fact that thi precis not mention fact that regan and bush sold arm iran fact that support and arm iraq thi state dept propaganda surpriz india paper weigh pro and con help west identifi pakistan role promot terror note hand that bring ruinat islamabad kashmir bring india secur apparatu uncomfort close cia and mossad arab paper continu portrai iraq and libya unfairli treat israel remain unpunish for resolut violat case lybia problem that decid that gadffii order bomb need make peac damascu gulf war dai that syria lybia for strang reason will not provid evid lybian court for extradit proceed face similar demand usa reject countri northern ireland presid clinton messag consol victim warrington bomb british tabloid signal tougher stanc american govern violenc ira word terror problem that behaviour georg bush usa imag abroad precis like and interest com dysnei script sugari justif repeat fit combin word freedom digniti democaraci terror dictatorship etc usa quit mend bridg iran peopl piss usa support shah loath and support saddam mount unprovok attack surpriz embassi hostag crisi iran meant countri run unreason bigot not usa movement easier for usa move recognis iraqu respons initi iran iraq war provid technic assist iran oil product back capac smart move moment iran opec ceil had extra capac us and bring oild price interest iranian cleric interest seek raproch simpli perman war foot debilit western technolog phill hallam baker
talk.politics.misc	temper tantrum articl apr poni ingr garrett ingr write articl philc gwa netcom phil netcom phil ronzon write correct jfk quit disgust that report women that coerc power offic dozen todai call for resign for that kind behaviour guess coerc women into sex wors steal break and enter rig nation elect start secret war that kill hundr thousand and power your offic for person gain nixon not garrett you pathet liar your charg arguabl obviou li challeng you present evid that nixon stole rig nation elect never mind elect us power offic for person gain you can absolut evid that event occur normal relat prc normal relat cambodia you joke sponsor overthrow cambodian govern repeat fail attempt your sad level histor and polit knowleg exemplifi fact that you prc stand for cambodia red china
talk.politics.misc	rich professor whine pai candid clinton promis tax rich and folk thought that pretti nifti idea presid clinton want famili make bear tax burden and quick complain that six figur incom not make iron that tradition liber enclav bai area and academia wealthi struggl fit into mantl regular work class folk will admit rich middl class rich throw stat censu and you judg negvpyr mzimmersc netcom mzimmer netcom michael zimmer jevgrf articl qcdvbinn elroi jpl nasa gov fogarti sir jpl nasa gov tim fogarti write that thousand and that tenur professor can expect make for phd year experi lot make industri year veteran silicon vallei preciou employ ad that call for phd and chump chang median household incom for state bai area averag household incom mid rang nation averag bai area twice nation averag six figur incom household cost live high don twice nation averag lo angel modest home price can squar foot tract hous bai area work class neighborhood for doubt that lo angel market that that thi definit modest perhap bit immoder cheaper for gainfulli emploi california not upper middl class depend your definit averag two third california household make that belong upper not unreason definit upper middl class note that that professor spous earn becom clinton rich famili breakdown nation california and bai area household incom censu bureau weird round and add prespect minimum wage earner work hour week make year poverti line for famili make twice that govern consid work poor decid call thi lower middl class bout annual incom middl class upper middl class rich filthi rich and bill gate make sens timr noth surer rich rich and poor poorer meantim time ain fun raymond egan
talk.politics.misc	foreign media reaction april part articl dscomsa desi hallam zeu desi write usa quit mend bridg iran peopl piss usa support shah loath and support saddam mount unprovok attack surpriz embassi hostag crisi iran meant countri run unreason bigot not usa movement easier for usa move phill hallam baker wide state mainstream sourc that cia had larg part overthrow popular and popularli elect left lean premier mossadegh thi wide recogn never mention mainstream media iran dave kohr graduat student univ illinoi urbana champaign work dcl home mail drk uiuc edu not
talk.politics.misc	newsweek report clinton approv rate articl blue ci pitt edu psg pitt edu paul galvanek write heard latest approv rate report for clinton laugh hard forgot exact number clintonett can refresh memori rate drop percent snick lowest rate presid muster dai sinc poll start hum guess thi signific oppos incred drop last dai offic unfortuant loss poll last dai offic mean elect georg finish start good roooster that hard top rooster
talk.politics.misc	state justic articl apr desir wright edu demon desir wright edu not boomer write judg deni trial motion even two wit that occup truck dead impact not fire thought kind scari you realiz that judg start deni trial even evid that contradict fact that led previou rule conserv judiciari judg decid that wit not believ shouldn that juri scalia point that you chanc inform come tough convic want justic hope governor feel charit gui death row texa that deni trial dispit evid inoc and member previou juri parad talk show proclaim obviou bia shouldn that for judg verdict and call for trial happen juror object swept reagan revolut russ anderson disclaim statement and not reflect employ twin jack morri in pitch run world seri mvp
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu rscharfi magnu ac ohio state edu ryan scharfi write articl stevethc jgcr netcom steveth netcom steve thoma wri te justifi war drug dare you friend mine smoke pot dai and last tuesdai hit acid troubl aim for bowl take dump don result boi cut drug war and peopl screw head answer you sarcasm sarcasm boi wod work good stop peopl screw head that exampl issu your friend drug legal not legal continu issu not us illeg drug and not screw pai for thi idiot problem not harm wod hand threat life and livelyhood sacrafic thi that steve thoma steveth rossinc
talk.politics.misc	tori win lotteri clinton gst articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write cmk world std charl kozierok write gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write secondli canadian work and particip insur neg option you explicitli declin that premium deduct separ and american problem monei pai for health care note canadian and german health insur voluntari not true requir insur law method collect effect make tax basic cabl you that you don want for exampl hutterit coloni western canada not part mennon and hutter fundamentalist protest germani follow left for world mennonit divers lot hutterit similiar amish american idea float todai you option live land selfish bastard that that number diminish recent onc presid pinocchio get hope for revers trend hope for selfish bastard piti don year regan bush selfish bastard ecconomi countri elect selfish bastard govern and will run countri for that selfish bastard bush and regan gave tax break for ultra rich and paid for borrow incom middl class phill hallam baker
talk.politics.misc	role nation new media inflam passion articl apr gordian mike gordian michael thoma write articl qjtmjinnq elroi jpl nasa gov carlo beowulf jpl nasa gov carlo carrion write come conclus that station want riot happen verdict come thi surpris time can pulitz last year suppos media want happen report that job duhhh not surpris that want riot amaz carri that desir across not subtl wai carlo man favor superior posit assign white race abraham lincoln am elroi jpl devvax beowulf pituco carlo
talk.politics.misc	temper tantrum articl apr oracl oracl mfriedma oracl michael friedman write articl apr poni ingr garrett ingr write articl philc gwa netcom phil netcom phil ronzon write correct jfk quit disgust that report women that coerc power offic dozen todai call for resign for that kind behaviour guess coerc women into sex wors steal break and enter rig nation elect start secret war that kill hundr thousand and power your offic for person gain nixon not garrett you pathet liar isn name call fun your charg arguabl obviou li challeng you present evid that nixon stole rig nation elect never mind elect us power offic for person gain you happen waterg you broke into build for wasn draw you pictur you can absolut evid that event occur panick snap authur garrett johnson thi cultur shock you wait till garrett ingr settl into situat and found bear start panick dougla adam
talk.politics.misc	fillibust articl apr martha utcc utk edu utkvm utk edu david veal write come that origin plan wasn meant for feder govern british that untru wander closer realiti that articl confeder fell apart proof for tad bit and federalist paper propaganda and difficult determin precis maddison etc emphasis limit role for feder govern thi not necessarili true posit and hous lord copi pretti wide power start us and gridlock set wasn awar hous lord had wide power impress pretti powerless compar hous common and didn almost equal power senat restrict that not introduc bill relat rais revenu senat power hous lord period question strip power hous lord not occur and david llloyd georg budget even despit thi hous lord consider power even todai and rubber stamp bodi read constitut and write absolut reason senat wasn intend make us law make power fact grid lock appear design into system senat delib bodi act check elect hous system meant slow react problem that end bit slow basi you suggest that senat suppos sort rubber stamp for hous you note that presid veto ridden hous can veto senat presiden veto meant separ bush abus quit extraordinari manner us accord intent check unreason legisl veto regard complet last gasp measur us meant restrict prevent legislatur interf action execut senat not meant exactli rubber stamp bodi meant check unrestrain legisl that extra measur built into constitut favour statu quo repres state not reason restrict
talk.politics.misc	fillibust articl dsyr ncratl atlantaga ncr mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr mark wilson write articl buph fcp dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write filibust not make sens senat elect last gasp assembl design repositori dodderi men power phill don senat you discuss ain our phill think that senat suppos equival hous lord statu hous lord todai quit statu show that concern phill idea talk maddison and hamilton studi exist form govern for year wrote federalist paper that system base consider degre model pretti wide accept time major countri repres bodi french plebicit had suppress for year and restor year mark start french revolut system major influenc dutch system and classic system suggest that rome greec model polit system countri acknowleg disast main lesson learnt greec that feder state construct war inevit greek democraci fight rome manag invad had feder consitut reject roman empir shape britain quit reabsorb coloni due state each throat louisiana purchas situat aros napoleon period phill hallam baker
talk.politics.misc	state justic demon desir wright edu not boomer write judg deni trial motion even two wit that occup truck dead impact not fire thought can wit that burn truck dead unconsci kind scari you realiz that judg start deni trial even evid that contradict fact that led previou rule judg decid that wit not believ shouldn that juri kind wit talk wit accid directli involv paramed emerg room doctor etc us trial you don trial you screw and forgot call your wit talk expert wit will offer interpret data note that loser can find such wit thi ground for trial loser trial and loser becom winner and side come expert wit tim smith
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talk.politics.misc	fillibust articl jpl dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write articl apr martha utcc utk edu utkvm utk edu david veal write come that origin plan wasn meant for feder govern british that untru wander closer realiti that articl confeder fell apart proof for tad bit and federalist paper propaganda and difficult determin precis maddison etc coupl wai want you support thi constitut that will appeal you straightforward thi suggest thi constitut good idea you primari situat emphasis limit role for feder govern thi not necessarili true posit hamilton dy wool monarchist and authoritarian extrem jefferson democrat impul you suggest mean determin opinion govern don wrote govern and write support automat propoganda point assum untru that don and hous lord copi pretti wide power start us and gridlock set wasn awar hous lord had wide power impress pretti powerless compar hous common and didn almost equal power senat restrict that not introduc bill relat rais revenu senat power hous lord period question senat power hous lord almost state that hous repres fact british govern had greater power american system read constitut and write absolut reason senat wasn intend make us law make power fact grid lock appear design into system senat delib bodi act check elect hous system meant slow react problem that end bit slow disagre system not slow simpli design handl demand that handl washington put name forget congress becom citi council congress capabl quick action and power and time hand confin origin jurisidict and allow local autonomi not case system govern creat fail that oper set condit specif want avoid concentr power that proper thing not reduc power hous attempt greas wheel you system move quicker stupid thing make sens make decis local level basi you suggest that senat suppos sort rubber stamp for hous you note that presid veto ridden hous can veto senat presiden veto meant separ bush abus quit extraordinari manner us accord intent check unreason legisl explain bush abus veto extraordinari manner veto regard complet last gasp measur us meant restrict prevent legislatur interf action execut fail restrict impli veto easili read mean put check democrat popular unwis execut opinion polici limit constitut presid veto power bill for previou presid us veto for number reason agenda curiou you singl bush presid abus veto senat not meant exactli rubber stamp bodi meant check unrestrain legisl that extra measur built into constitut favour statu quo repres state not reason restrict not reason restrict senat magic holi number law base senat feel safe state constitu stand and fillibust isn that suffici question whether law good idea not evalu earth suffici enact law cover million peopl divers place and live radic condit shouldn super major requir system simpl major absolut power ignor minor minor will not thi posit thing and for that republican for pork democrat legitim object legisl question david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.misc	nln fascism friendli face bar reactionari liber conspiraci theori idiot and rant and rave eros populist support thi typic elitist liber attitud that peopl incap think for thi elitist attitud will eventu undo arrog liber tide sweep america peopl begin realiz and that treat errant children and rob freedom bunch utopian arrog socialist jerk articl talk polit misc liber new servic nln igc apc org write subject nln fascism friendli face line liber new servic nln subject nln fascism friendli face written apr nln igc apc org igc nln new nln packet fascism friendli face rush limbaugh remind you daevid bornhuett machen madison edg main differ adolf hitler and rush limbaugh that hitler origin and show initi mort sahl tom snyder radio show abc radio network octob find disagre populist rational limbaugh find entertain and agre conclus fact that send liber reactionari idiot roof make entertain nln not plan thi compar review mein kampf and limbaugh transcrib rant thing sahl issu 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talk.politics.misc	abolish select servic select servic registr abolish start draft immor whether you agre that not don and militari expert agre that qualiti arm forc superior volunt armi drafte final govern list comput ir social secur admistr and motor vehicl registri name and can find maintain anoth list peopl utter wast monei and time ax thi depart and reduc deficit bit dave borden borden harvard edu
talk.politics.misc	clinton immun program articl jobh apollo goykhman apollo red her write articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu jlinder magnu ac ohio state edu jeffrei linder write articl fjsl ncratl atlantaga ncr mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr mark wilson write new last night clinton bash republican for stonewal call stimulu packag that small item thi packag pai for free immun for poor kid immun for children thi countri free you care problem not cost irrespon parent stupid lazi don you live thi not case nationawid perhap your state municip put togeth fund area and area peopl immun cost shatter your stereotyp case you haven notic clintonit push univers health care access program access mean that folk not give damn immun children will health care servic deliv doorstep disclaim opinion express mine not employ
talk.politics.misc	tori win lotteri clinton gst boi famou phill hallam baker articl dscomsa desi hallam zeu desi write articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write cmk world std charl kozierok write gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write basic cabl you that you don want for exampl hutterit coloni western canada not part mennon and hutter fundamentalist protest germani follow left for world mennonit divers lot hutterit similiar amish american idea float todai you option live land selfish bastard that that number diminish recent onc presid pinocchio get hope for revers trend hope for selfish bastard piti don year regan bush selfish bastard ecconomi countri year tax and spend big govern institution depend and control good intent expens countri elect selfish bastard govern and will run countri for that selfish bastard bush and regan gave tax break for ultra rich and paid for borrow incom middl class yeah and clinton lia mean politician you slick and gang elitist socialist academ will lead promis land don hold your breath charl
talk.politics.misc	capit gain tax increas lose monei apr midwai uchicago edu thf midwai uchicago edu sez articl apr desir wright edu demon desir wright edu not boomer write long term investor like larg capit gain foolish sell order avoid tax hike that disappear year and overcom year two accuml gain respons not peopl pai capit gain tax long term investor aren for huge blip whenev capit gain tax rais never that find thi advantag that for result readili notic and distort trend even brett eventu return figur correct and weren wrong for blip fail basic factor ted note not long term investor find oneself late anticip expens term that requir sell hold choic wait week and take extra tax hit sell decemb preferenti tax treatment fool choos fact that brett can construct post hoc calcul benefici investor respect besid point plenti monei style advic unsophist investor late sell and save tax case miss shortag similar advic late last year nytim even that advic base not foregon conclus enact law assumpt that clinton rais tax rate cap tax contrari current propos nice that investor behav optim econom interest assum weightless rope and frictionless pullei thi sort think fail describ accur happen real world moral choos sort parent you start rough georg ad mark eckenwil eck panix cmcl panix eck
talk.politics.misc	fillibust articl jpl dscomsa desi hallam zeu desi write articl apr martha utcc utk edu utkvm utk edu david veal write and hous lord copi pretti wide power start us and gridlock set wasn awar hous lord had wide power impress pretti powerless compar hous common and didn almost equal power senat restrict that not introduc bill relat rais revenu senat power hous lord period question strip power hous lord not occur and david llloyd georg budget even despit thi hous lord consider power even todai and rubber stamp bodi power hous lord panick snap authur garrett johnson thi cultur shock you wait till garrett ingr settl into situat and found bear start panick dougla adam
talk.politics.misc	not disast articl philc netcom phil netcom phil ronzon write not you appar anoth member religi left not not member religi left even center fact don religi thi will result flame fact phil you leav religion cloud issu show environment disast aren and natur disast had individu outweigh man made typic you shouldn avoid event refrain word disast sinc upset you can case you didn realiz natur disast oop event you refer control man made guess you miss show earlier thi week disast oop meant event exxon valdez natur dai occur spread oil mile beach natur event hei rememb not disast that similar thi your call disast love canal time beach tmi aren disast hmm suppos you natur tree sunris not you want worship tree owl snail fine don push scared your religi you want worship oil slick toxic wast dump live hous that cesspool front yard fine you permiss yea you permiss won neighborhood live don push your shortsight tunnelvis view rest russel hockin peopl that innov interfac inc such thing environment disast pretti weird ain opinion els packet foi nocal usa
talk.politics.misc	hunt marin gai bash wilmington verdict tfarrel lynx dac northeastern edu thoma farrel write you feel that defend convict evid that trueli sad dai for civil right don convict evid mind quit suffici you sat court room and listen case care consider you come your conclus good for you
talk.politics.misc	cramer evid articl philc hsii gft netcom phil netcom phil ronzon write articl apr sun urz uni heidelberg gsmith lauren iwr uni heidelberg gene smith write libertarian draw clear line and nambla your statement you onc member organ you knew support exactli nambla support abolish ag consent never support such organ you organ paper support abolit ag consent resembl stop support remov coerciv law paper facad legitim sexual relat children differ practic amount your disgust legal parti involv decid disgust you you that isn coerciv law children can make inform consent brian kane buast astro edu hot young star astronomi dept boston univers boston true person salvat achiev absolut faith true
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write articl apr tijc pj tijc paul schmidt write steveh thor isc steve hendrick write note anoth thread limit govt problem libertarian face insur that limit govern seek not becom tool privat interest pursu agenda failur libertarian ideolog not provid reason restrain such action utopian dream you that limit govern will provid opportun for privat interest us pursu agenda and ask libertarian prove that thi will not happen can offer such proof pretti damn plausibl that govern not regul area cannot becom tool privat interest pursu agenda that area suspect that sort govern that like becom such tool and that such tool instanc marxism fail pure commun achiev and state wither libertarian frequent fail show weaken power state will result improv human condit suspect that thi improv human condit you defin not primari goal libertarian and not primari goal libertarian govern impress libertarian that primari goal elimin govern coercion limit case ian sutherland ian eec nwu edu san peur
talk.politics.misc	tori win lotteri clinton gst phill hallam baker hallam zeu desi write gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write cmk world std charl kozierok write gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write secondli canadian work and particip insur neg option you explicitli declin that premium deduct separ and american problem monei pai for health care note canadian and german health insur voluntari not true requir insur law method collect effect make tax you british phill and live germani work rule liber canada fta law that health insur coverag condit for exampl you mention thi onc time profil german sick fund late jan and pamphlet that girlfriend languag student german consul that voluntari quotat mark and that popul cover sick fund analog provinci health insur not divid provinc state anoth gui health care polici that turkish guest worker aren cover written coupl time not post gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
talk.politics.misc	gore throw ball and media coverag articl apr hsh paul hsh paul havemann write articl apr hemlock crai rja mahogani crai russ anderson write articl ncratl atlantaga ncr mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr mark wilson write thi past thursdai gore threw ball home open for atlanta brave new report quit loudli boo norman not your typic beer swill red neck person wouldn paid attent incid that even new describ event comment that boo noth unusu sinc normal for audienc boo thi point sinc celebr delai start game bunch crock never heard incid thrower ceremoni ball boo dan quayl roundli boo milwaulke last year listen radio thi game that quayl told brewer player that plai oriol alc come thi defend gore compar dan quayl compar quayl gore mark had never heard incid thrower ceremoni ball had boo mention anoth incid and media had liber bia heard quayl incid compar quayl like elmer fudd that back pit back alt fan dan quayl begon russ anderson disclaim statement and not reflect employ twin jack morri in pitch run world seri mvp
talk.politics.misc	homosexu perhap like not studi discredit kinsei view express theodor kaldi you kaldi remu rutger edu that major univers rutger remu rutger edu kaldi thi hold such view
talk.politics.misc	california antidiscrimin sort case predict articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl apr armori rstevew armori richard steven walz write face clayton not found guilti and gai sometim make consensu year boi year gai you and recal case state rest testimoni victim declin testifi even threat had teen sinc and lot peopl face clayton you jerk rsw richard steven walz rstevew deeptht armori mapl street safe and free abort women santa cruz organ surrog unwant parasit amaz peopl admit break law and put address signatur thi you make statement for district attornei had sex year boi great hell lot fun and you turn purpl rage time clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	manitoban candid bross sandbank cosc brocku brian ross write world futur bill clinton will appoint canadian govern american institut start american health care system will benevol canadian dictat anoth tax float clinton administr pai for free social program begun suspect that canadian long resent place american shadow brainwash american draft dodger fled canada time and tutor wai canadian social award smokeless marijuana cigarett correct answer return state control domin wife assign case attain high public offic and destroi evil individualist and free market forc america shape america canadian imag steven smith
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr articl apr eec nwu edu ian nasser eec nwu edu ian sutherland write articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write articl apr tijc pj tijc paul schmidt write steveh thor isc steve hendrick write failur libertarian ideolog not provid reason restrain such action utopian dream you that limit govern will provid opportun for privat interest us pursu agenda and ask libertarian prove that thi will not happen can offer such proof pretti damn plausibl that govern not regul area cannot becom tool privat interest pursu agenda that area suspect that sort govern that like becom such tool and that such tool instanc pardon for interrupt doesn bring possibl govern govern govern and stop that problem societi deeper govern democraci reflect major societi good and bad you govern you structur flaw societi thi time restraint doesn discuss commun societi kibbutz never studi depth heard kibbutz isreal success close aristotl and socrat believ detract discuss marxism fail pure commun achiev and state wither libertarian frequent fail show weaken power state will result improv human condit suspect that thi improv human condit you defin not primari goal libertarian and not primari goal libertarian govern impress libertarian that primari goal elimin govern coercion limit case good chang tracabl improv human condit support chang you won improv live that and will libertarian will jump and that will improv live can deal that that improv human condit primari goal organ ian sutherland ian eec nwu edu panick snap authur garrett johnson thi cultur shock you wait till garrett ingr settl into situat and found bear start panick dougla adam
talk.politics.misc	clinton press brief dee dee myer white hous offic press secretari for releas april press brief dee dee myer brief room edt postpon myer due schedul conflict put presid will meet leader nation polic organ rose garden oppos thing schedul todai meet gener vessei you vietnam continu work mia pow issu lunch vice presid oval offic and meet polic organ weekli photo group photo vessei myer coverag vessei meet myer close meet lunch myer lunch coverag meet congress peopl todai myer noth schedul meet myer congression meet todai presid inform pentagon reach conclus valid thi report hanoi instruct vessei deal vietnames that subject myer report order busi high agenda that discuss presid and gener vessei will discuss paramet visit vietnam todai presid hasn drawn conclus report that gener vessei talk vietnames presid talk republican senat yesterdai stimulu packag myer spoke senat dole time myer onc dai and onc last night outcom that myer continu work kind agreement job packag your 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speech and goal direct myer presid will talk and law enforc organ endors presid job packag summer job packag will give kid myer member leadership organ napo nation associ polic organ ibpo intern brotherhood polic organ and iupa intern union polic associ will fbi chief myer fbi chief feder law enforc offici myer will presid and nation law enforc organ leader billion announc todai includ million that budget for disarma myer nunn lugar monei separ thi million that budget anoth billion myer thi top million budget thi part supplement fiscal myer work congress exact fund mechan exactli thi will paid for thi billion top myer top million top million nunn lugar monei announc earlier and thi prompt presid call bob dole thi tranch not previou monei call bob dole myer correct brief miyazawa myer will readout meet miyazawa tomorrow dee dee total unrel matter republican activ chamber commerc complain thi cozi relationship white hous and chamber commerc town hall meet night satellit and thi relationship white hous feel that you get close chamber commerc myer that interest charg laughter year democrat accus not pai attent chamber accus close that interest thrill support receiv nation chamber and local chamber across countri and continu work thi and initi statu presid think thi democrat retreat myer calendar almost dai myer haven figur exactli open coverag myer thing close kind address statement gai right march myer that haven made final decis will make statement meet schedul leader myer noth schedul wouldn rule aid czar myer come weekend suggest that thi retreat avoid particip gai right involv gai right march myer thi discuss for long time appear senat democrat retreat weekend myer weekend don thing radio address saturdai travel plan myer not campaign for stimulu packag myer specif plan mid week like myer like that travel week weekend call thurmond daughter myer don check name drug czar thi weekend myer thi weekend don and radio address saturdai that focus stimulu packag myer will press you end edt
talk.politics.misc	clinton gore join student orlando for kid earth summit white hous offic vice presid for releas contact heidi kuki thursdai april julia payn gore join student orlando for kid earth summit will part special town meet environ saturdai april orlando florida wasington join student across unit state and world for kid earth summit vice presid gore will travel orlando florida saturdai and particip special town hall meet host linda ellerbe for broadcast nickelodeon hear young peopl concern and share idea environ vice presid will part kid world council plan for planet edt saturdai orlando florida will tour displai student environment project videotap town hall meet will discuss student deleg concern environ and plan for environment sound futur town hall meet will moder linda ellerbe and tape for new special nickelodeon special edit plan for planet will air sundai april edt sponsor nickelodeon and children earth fund young peopl care environ affect futur across countri and world young peopl speak environment challeng face identifi problem think solut and demand action leader vice presid kid world council deleg meet for dai orlando discuss save energi and switch renew energi will format and goal earth summit that place last year rio janeiro vice presid led senat deleg earth summit forward hear young peopl environ and futur insight into world import vice presid schedul for vice presid saturdai april edt vice presid tour displai student environment project nickelodeon studio orlando florida edt vice presid take part town hall meet kid world council deleg and linda ellerbe nickelodeon studio orlando florida edt vice presid depart kid world council for washington note press that attend contact eileen paris marti von ruden florida
talk.politics.misc	clinton remark law enforc leader white hous offic press secretari for releas april remark presid law enforc organ rose garden edt presid good afternoon ladi and gentlemen two month ago present comprehens plan reduc nation deficit and increas invest american peopl job and econom futur feder budget plan pass congress record time and creat sens hope and opportun countri short term job plan present congress creat half million job two year pass hous repres two week ago support major unit state senat member congress time economi move job growth fast start invest build last prosper minor member unit state senat us gridlock tactic prevent colleagu work will major job bill congress return senat state and parti rememb stake issu not polit peopl sixteen million for full time job and can find men and women don care washington care pai rent and meet mortgag payment put food tabl and bui shoe for children regain sens digniti that come dai work and support famili and draw paycheck ask privileg serv put polit and move economi forward prepar that and work senat come adjust packag that meet concern block action job plan will compromis long focu job focu growth and focu meet unmet nation oppon ask for smaller packag todai join determin exactli kind and size packag congress can approv that meet american peopl even make reduct and packag will smaller address problem that mind million american and and that toughen law enforc societi deal dramat rise violent crime will even thi reduc packag for addit million feder fund local commun rehir polic offic laid fiscal problem caus nation recess togeth match effort local govern thi put polic offic back job and back beat commun across nation time peopl live fear violent crime busi close and peopl lost job peopl afraid leav home rehir thousand offic invest america can make and hous congress make that invest peopl safeti and piec mind for strong feder action economi recoveri and creat job make mistak will fight for prioriti hard will never forget that peopl fight for job futur and for fundament chang want polic offic todai and you that not singl knew that had determin for monei thi job bill rehir polic offic summer job portion packag and want free talk that not law enforc concern fact that want kid thi countri chanc job thi summer safer street and brighter and peac futur todai not good for law enforc good for peopl live commun support commun polic not help prevent crime and lower crime rate cement relationship peopl law enforc and peopl that hire protect reduc chanc abus action polic offic and increas chanc harmoni and safe street time kind thing that promis campaign that put anoth polic offic street year thi make good downpay that thi mind core job packag and thi will move forward peopl senat block job bill work togeth can accept reduc packag you will increas your commit safe street not accept fact that reduc commit summer job build infrastructur thing that will creat real and last prosper for peopl part end gridlock you want give peopl platform chanc make remark and heard american peopl begin janet reno distinguish attornei gener presid can you you that job packag put jeopardi controversi suggest vat tax thi point congression dialogu presid not wouldn relationship made absolut decis that you that lot support busi commun and labor commun peopl ask that enorm burden present system major employ that depend gener job and carri strength thi economi made absolut decis that even approach that that kind gener tax you person that american public readi pai for anoth tax pai for health care mean apart busi and labor leader presid not specul that will thi real issu quickli can recycl benefit save cover cost mean that that you propos you streamlin insur system you fix system that longer enorm econom incent util provid servic you provid primari and prevent care place isn singl analysi show absolut massiv save health care system real question whether you can transfer save cover coverag virtual coverag that you provid peopl secur idea poll that don poll that press that you commiss overwhelmingli american peopl want secur afford health care system don that thi stimulu and shouldn peopl want job and foremost want that that you announc your willing compromis stimulu packag can you part your packag you vital and uncompromis assum summer job presid want summer job want highwai program and want polic program intend thi intend fulli and aggress push crime bill not pass congress last year thi supplement that not substitut for that ryan white fund enorm health care burden commun that inordin and disproportion affect problem care for peopl aid and thing that agricultur depart meat inspector safeti public depend that number thing that don don cut senat mitchel and senat byrd talk and senat dole call yesterdai discuss thi and told that call back call back last night hampshir and discuss thi and basic ask talk todai and that not make statement specif had chanc talk whether not reach accord don want specif and can talk you talk senat dole and senat mitchel you your increas that million that you want that part packag presid told senat left word for senat mitchel last night talk senat dole don rememb for not mention that prepar reduc packag and want break gridlock and told that work reformul that hope that becom even focus job and kind issu that thought american peopl want address and thi consist that you end edt
talk.politics.misc	high speed rail bad articl apr hydra ac ttu edu mcgoi unicorn ac ttu edu david mcgaughei write question becom gener public train not will thi train lubbock texa inexpens air travel provid dalla and houston don peopl dalla houston total agre peopl thi benefit live citi train stop drive train station lubbock for exampl farther drive train station nearest nation airport can spend billion system that citi will benefit
talk.politics.misc	clinton presid trip pittsburg white hous offic press secretari for releas april statement press secretari presid will travel pittsburgh saturdai april talk job creation plan and impact state pennsylvania creat full time job and summer job will make public address pittsburgh intern airport presid will leav washington earli saturdai morn and return that afternoon white hous press charter will depart andrew air forc base file facil will pittsburgh
talk.politics.misc	high speed rail bad articl apr iqsc rex iqsc rex black write rail texa california come conclus that two choic for prevent econom strangul traffic high speed rail growth limit rex growth limit will hsr traffic congest understand rail will not stop place waco bryan lot intermedi place even live austin don train rare occas twice year and dollar ticket drive for cheaper even price ga
talk.politics.misc	top ten sign that ag aquariu pennsylvania avenu top ten sign that ag aquariu pennsylvania avenu men uniform persona grata home command chief algor enviro mental will make clean air act industri polici higher tax onc prescript for that ail america tax dodg unpatriot draft dodg symbol pride bead curtain hang oval offic window social dead soviet union told prepar for nation health care resourc peopl inhal not quit free love eat flower consid healthi feminazi presid white hous whether rest realiz not slick draft dodger send american troop into combat slick unpopular middl class american big hit campu professori class copyright edward ipser top ten respons ipser list time presid that stand militari men and women uniform learn that world not revolv and that thing defend critic even denounc explain you environment polici and industri polici hand hand nation and planet cannot afford continu ignor thi last twelv year industri environment posit downright shame activ govern support kei industri such telecommun microelectron medic biotech and environment tech meanwhil weed innefici high polut industri that left nation thi will make richer produc job and environ give credit credit due heard lot thi speech senat john kerri tonit addit time issu overpopul globabl warm and ozon deplet planet live utmost prioriti happen that that take monei make thi countri work provid servic that peopl and solv problem that solv grant thing can effici for monei and thing cost monei and sick and tire hear whine tax time you want live countri you pai your fair share can hypocrit peopl peopl give live for countri and complain tax you will send die for stupid obsess fight enemi doesn affect and worst friend you you shouldn pai tax hei bead curtain add love esqu touch canada europ and japan manag provid health care for citizen and basic health human peopl entitl nation aren capitalist for you guess found capit noth sacr capitalist system and social work capit die make love not war contrari popular belief male and feminist time discrimin deni equal opportun major popul plain wrong and forc into sort tradit role even wors women offer thi world men and dai that gender discrimin final broken make revolut past centuri reform bill forward number hei man acadamia rule amar chaudhari peac land matzoh opinion reflect opinion yale univers associ for post repons send chaudhari amar yale edu
talk.politics.misc	clinton immun program articl jobh apollo goykhman apollo red her writ articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu jlinder magnu ohio state edu jeffrei linder write articl fjsl ncratl atlantaga ncr mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr mark wilson write new last night clinton bash republican for stonewal call stimulu packag that small item thi packag pai for free immun for poor kid immun for children thi countri free you care problem not cost irrespon parent stupid lazi case you haven notic clintonit push univers health care access program access mean that folk not give damn immun children will health care servic deliv doorstep excus for stick nose parent parent not allreadi immun children free don deserv frig dime tax monei for health care for public health care servic immun program and come nation health care issu slightli seper issu wouldn kid don deserv tax ryan
talk.politics.misc	role nation new media inflam passion articl iak murdoch acc virginia edu gsh fermi cla virginia edu greg hennessi write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write lower profil report that victim prostitut and man had not paid fals accus evid woman question prostitut defens alledg that even clayton differ err perhap clayton doesn differ evid for prostitut statu admittedli question claim man trial includ prior employ number massag parlor women claim that work prostitut walk truck stop wear lace miniskirt halter top and underwear sort not purs not convict creat reason doubt whether rape place theft servic you ignor ly judg found that credibl evid that marin engag defens judg found that prosecut not carri burder proof small clip clarinew fair us guidelin hanov district court judg jacquelin morri goodson rule benchtrial that state fail carri burden prove marin act injuri account even new that claim defens and judg agre that oper greg hennessi univers virginia clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	california insur commission endors feder legisl protect consum scam insur compani articl apr cbnewsi att gadfli cbnewsi att gadfli write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write and option don exist agre thi you welfar invent solv problem poverti wors and econom infra structur erod that can you mean sinc your philosophi economi almost collaps excus philosophi you don idea philosophi american economi had up and down number prevail econom philosophi econom scienc lifetim your philosophi social masquerad liber welfar state ascend mean exactli wrote welfar system deal wholli inadequ cope current state affair absolut respons socialist even into social whether not father work not german singl mother true promot casual sexual that plai part singl mother problem bui that and lot reason for extrem list flash pan media attent bunch middl class dropout for philosophi and experiment flash pan your subcultur utterli domin and movi industri for two decad subcultur get person subcultur domin and movi industri monei you bui sell and recent movement boycott advertis shown sensit sell happen person respons person respons for declin that extent that peopl encourag not respons for come you and that major problem thi societi todai isn lack employ lack peopl will work huh that singl mother laid hour job hospit and work full time minimum wage job bare support and kid bare hei proud public assist job can find menial and benefit and career path find excus lai peopl and hire give rais and perk and not lot cheaper oddli unskil semiskil peopl manag find employ almost immedi move cheaper part countri job plenti and cost live lower west side chicago cheap get squalor citi place cheap live and job abund pass sonoma counti you live strang and wondrou place sir inexpens hous not exactli cheap not lo angel lot employ and utterli surround socialist suppos that sort environ that attract socialist not dissuad that area lot wealthi breed socialist spoil rich kid feel guilti wealth not guilti give for politician limit wealth lot peopl will nai eager work don system that make feasibl not welfar enjoi aren job expand industri capac mill work skill learn futur mcdonald odd not experi opposit california yup cramer hippiedom low budget oper drug cheap monei refer aid famili druggi cohabit afdc doubt that thi drug isn left bui food and place you read such case and that make new show your statist afdc abus can you that rel drug food secondari ken perlow clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	lincoln slaveri top ten trick you can plai american voter articl apr tamarack timbuk tamarack timbuk chri brewster write craig depken write fact that south had number slave owner true rel small number had hundr slave refer that not for exact number bear thi discuss figur for total number slave owner figur for slave farmer slave chri brewster mail address crai region total popul free black slave confederaci union slave state union state union free state clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	evid articl edu kane buast edu hot young star write immor homosexu promiscu and fetish that character hmmm told you onc that monogam for almost year and that don into fetish you homosexu don you you chang your stori you maintain homosexu activ immor care elabor for that matter explain fetish immor kane buast astro edu hot young star astronomi dept boston univers fact that your fetish import you make love your case sex clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag santa rosa cal press democrat april male sex survei gai activ low naton studi male sexual behavior thorough examin american men sexual practic publish sinc kinsei report decad ago show percent men survei had engag homosexu sex and percent consid exclus homosexu figur homosexu studi releas wednesdai alan guttmach institut significantli lower percent figur that part convent wisdom sinc publish kinsei report articl contain number number sexual partner median number sexual partner for men compar tabl post master johnson and kolodni show male homosexu partner appar that homosexu men dramat promiscu gener male popul shame that don breakdown for straight men gai men that show even dramat promiscu gai men clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	not concentr child molest articl apr lclark edu snodgra lclark edu bil snodgrass write articl murdoch acc virginia edu gsh fermi cla virginia edu greg hennessi write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write for homosexu paid higher insur rate straight and good reason govern made illeg thi philosophi children you pai for insur premium children cannot afford sinc insur compani pai for prenat and birth children born horribl flaw cost system arm and leg aliv pai part thi societi and care anoth oddli depend coverag cost bit for alon you your claim you make lot monei start homosexu health insur and refus insur breeder shudder your premium will bil snodgrass iii clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	tori win lotteri clinton gst articl dscomsa desi hallam zeu desi write articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write cmk world std charl kozierok write gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write secondli canadian work and particip insur neg option you explicitli declin that premium deduct separ and american problem monei pai for health care note canadian and german health insur voluntari not true requir insur law method collect effect make tax selfish bastard that that number diminish recent onc presid pinocchio get hope for revers trend hope for selfish bastard piti don year regan bush selfish bastard ecconomi countri elect selfish bastard govern and will run countri for themselv that selfish bastard bush and regan gave tax break for ultra rich and paid for borrow incom middl class thi countri ruin fact boom compar elect thi usa hell and reagan bush caus not lame pathet and wrong reagan bush economi grew trillion dollar thi entir economi germani kind gentl countri peopl book joke ryan
talk.politics.misc	clinton press releas usia appoint white hous offic press secretari for releas april american univers presid joseph duffei name head usia mica chair board for intern broadcast washington presid clinton todai announc intent nomin american univers presid and state depart assist secretari joseph duffei director unit state inform agenc presid design daniel mica chairman board for intern broadcast joe duffei expertis field educ commun and foreign affair vast and will serv take helm usia and work promot ideal democraci and freedom abroad presid presid american univers washington sinc duffei previous serv year chancellor and presid univers massachusett amherst serv assist secretari state educ and cultur affair state depart duffei serv chairman nation endow for human presid carter and reagan and duffei serv unit state deleg gener confer unit nation educ scientif and cultur organ duffei serv joint head deleg observ nation elect ethiopia usia celebr anniversari thi year independ foreign affair agenc execut branch that explain and support foreign polici and nation secur interest abroad wide rang inform program agenc program fulbright academ program voic america worldnet satellit televis system and network oversea librari and cultur center agenc post countri press releas mica becom chairman board for intern broadcast serv member board sinc dan mica excel job board intern broadcast and expect will continu chairman promot democraci abroad presid biograph sketch appointe follow joseph duffei serv presid american univers sinc prior tenur american duffei serv chancellor and presid univers massachusett amherst and guest scholar brook institut serv chairman nation endow for human and assist secretari state educ and cultur affair depart state duffei hold honorari degre american colleg and univers name command order crown king belgium and member council foreign relat sinc duffei receiv marshal univers andov newton theolog school stm yale univers and harvard seminari foundat duffei member nation busi higher educ forum and founder and chairman western massachusett econom develop confer duffei marri ann wexler and son daniel mica repres district florida and serv board intern broadcast sinc tenur congress serv hous committe foreign relat and appoint presid reagan congression repres unit nation
talk.politics.misc	pro abort feminist leader endors trash free speech right arrest for defi judg order abort protest ralli miami herald april melbourn florida circuit judg robert mcgregor order prohibit anti abort picket feet properti line awar woman center for choic even across street not displai pictur dead fetus sing chant loud heard patient insid clinic protest rule wipe amend constitut thi sidewalk joe carrol landscap march children mari grace and john not rescuer not trespass that thi sidewalk not protest abort protest denial right assembl religion speech thi judg trash constitut children grandmoth led sob carrol and father arrest clinic eleanor smeal presid washington base feminist major foundat call for florida legislatur and congress pass law tough judg order cover brevard and seminol counti thi cannot thi not freedom speech thi total psycholog warfar violenc ridicul clinic court court protect
talk.politics.misc	defam leagu post and doubt retyp yigal ahren and import issu and almost total blackout california repost appropri group time fridai april evid adl spy oper seiz polic richard paddock time staff writer san francisco polic thursdai serv search warrant anti defam leagu and lo angel seiz evid nationwid intellig network accus keep file polit group newspap and labor union and peopl describ spy oper great detail san francisco author simultan releas volumin document tell oper anti defam leagu search trash and infiltr organ gather intellig arab american wing and call pinko organ repres anti defam leagu organ jewish commun dedic fight anti semit declin detail comment thursdai deni break law polic alleg that organ maintain undercov oper gather polit intellig citi includ lo angel and san francisco group that focu spy oper span polit spectrum includ such group klux klan white aryan resist oper rescu greenpeac nation assn for advanc color peopl unit farm worker and jewish defens leagu list mill colleg board director san francisco public televis station kqed and san francisco bai guardian newspap peopl subject spy oper includ republican rep pete mccloskei jail polit extremist lyndon larouch and lo angel time foreign correspond scott kraft base south africa author materi collect group confidenti inform obtain illeg law enforc agenc alleg that data individu and organ sold separ south african govern addit alleg obtain confidenti inform polic anti defam leagu face total feloni count for not properli report employ chief west coast spy roi bullock affidavit file justifi search warrant anti defam leagu disguis payment bullock for year funnel week beverli hill attornei bruce hochman paid bullock document releas san francisco hochman presid jewish feder council greater lo angel and state lead tax attornei will citi late week and not reach for comment offic hochman prosecutor member panel appoint sen pete wilson secretli make initi recommend feder judg california hochman region presid anti defam leagu leagu initi cooper polic deni repeatedli that intellig gather oper broke law leagu offici will not confirm deni whether bullock employe and simpli trade inform polic depart peopl involv hate crime affidavit file obtain warrant for thursdai search san francisco polic alleg that adl employe appar truth provid inform earlier search conduct warrant david lehrer execut director lo angel adl offic organ not violat law noth nefari oper record speak for polic affidavit contend that lehrer had sole control secret fund us pai for fact find oper lehrer document sign check account name patterson adl offici account us pai for subscript wide varieti extremist public that balk send directli anti defam leagu bullock collect intellig for adl for year defend effort lengthi interview san francisco polic that gather name sourc and enter into comput head such skin and pinko that not necessarili mean that surveil never call bullock and doesn mean that file not threat civil right that name appear file pinko recent year bullock work close san francisco polic offic tom gerard fled phillippin last fall question fbi case cia employe gerard suppli bullock crimin record and depart motor vehicl inform such home address vehicl registr physic characterist and driver licens photograph file gather for anti defam leagu gerard and bullock provid inform south african govern receiv year document show file time staff writer kraft appar sold south african govern insight into hit and miss natur spy oper file note that kraft articl frequent time and research and written file accur entri confus time kraft anoth scott kraft and south african govern wrong kraft physic descript photograph and person inform nevertheless document provid illumin detail bullock for decad infiltr manner organ skinhead left wing radic search regularli trash target group anti defam leagu fund ran paid inform code name such scott and scumbag work close polic offic and coast exchang inform fbi and work feder agenc includ bureau alcohol tobacco and firearm bullock work paid inform for fbi spy behalf anti defam leagu and south african govern that prove undo fbi learn that agent foreign govern and began investig lead probe anti defam leagu intellig network anti defam leagu emploi undercov oper gather inform lo angel san francisco york washington chicago loui and atlanta affidavit and investig join san francisco polic search leagu offic and lo angel bank investig offic san francisco dist atti arlo smith and state franchis tax board lo angel polic depart earlier refus cooper investig inform search lo angel not invit particip investig suspect that confidenti inform anti defam leagu file come lo angel polic offic lo angel time saturdai april adl vow cooper spy investig richard paddock time staff writer san francisco anti defam leagu defend record civil right group fridai and will cooper author investig whether organ collect confidenti polic inform citizen and group san francisco dist atti arlo smith that anti defam leagu employe involv intellig gather face feloni count receiv confidenti file eavesdrop tax violat and conspiraci polic accus anti defam leagu not truth spy oper collect inform individu and polit group across polit spectrum hundr page document releas prosecutor thursdai show that adl maintain nationwid intellig network and file polit figur even smith suggest that anti defam leagu shut spy oper prosecutor that into account decid charg file statement releas washington nation director abraham foxman describ adl jewish defens agenc fought protect minor bigotri and discrimin for year foxman organ regard credibl sourc extremist group and tradit routin provid inform polic journalist academ govern offici and public never polici adl obtain inform illeg journalist order protect confidenti and physic safeti sourc adl will not comment natur ident sourc inform foxman anti defam leagu refus acknowledg that longtim employe roi bullock privat individu alleg adl inform document releas prosecutor detail statement show adl funnel weekli payment bullock beverli hill attornei bruce hochman roi penetr organ and need thi arrang distanc adl hochman told san francisco polic investig hochman not reach fridai home offic for comment despit anti defam leagu assert that will cooper author san francisco polic group not turn pertin document voluntari search group offic lo angel and san francisco last fall second round search thursdai thi time search warrant produc vast quantiti record primarili deal financi transact smith search and will month charg file investig will wherev fact lead district attornei yigal aren usc isi made aren isi edu
talk.politics.misc	at red armi fraction raf communiqu quot assn ualberta merth eric william articl vbm ncoast org cmort ncoast org christoph morton write quot vctb dscomsa desi hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker isn wonderful peopl can make sadist and indescrimin murder bader meinhof gang sound altruism gee phil rememb you and that peopl monitor net rememb that sens humor damn isn big brother and thi time thought that revolutionari blow thing and kill odd innoc person process love prole that dialect materi will save you even you kill fool you fail that order make nightmarish stew psychosi and repress you break egg you evil product element societi egg damn spirit full speed ahead you bunch educ york jewish aclu lawyer fight elimin school prayer public school arkansa holli silva
talk.politics.misc	clinton press brief georg stephanopoulo white hous offic press secretari for releas april press brief georg stephanopoulo brief room edt stephanopoulo good afternoon thi lawn stephanopoulo that nice cherri blossom presid stimulu packag dead stephanopoulo absolut not can you dole talk you good visit compromis stephanopoulo presid had good talk senat dole last night that specif compromis side good discuss job packag and issu you presid call senat dole tuesdai night talk russian aid packag not speak senat dole call back wednesdai morn presid spoke toni lake and close that convers that want speak presid job and stimulu packag final talk that yesterdai afternoon close that discuss that anoth talk last night senat hampshir and specif compromis made side that continu discuss and that give stand make concess stephanopoulo don that that phase compromis made presid consist intend come forward adjust packag believ packag believ that adjust minor releas will make adjust subject 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clear yesterdai you stephanopoulo absolut clear painfulli clear polit strategi make clear administr tax increas tax dai stephanopoulo thi issu consid ask consid answer that consid georg york time yesterdai stephanopoulo ask york time report todai that secretari reich and chief economist labor depart us appl and orang number order portrai last month unemploy figur that support presid job stimulu bill turn total fals stephanopoulo don total fals laughter chief economist labor depart grant that inappropri mix and that question presid concern behavior that amount corrupt govern data and stephanopoulo chief economist that mistak made won happen and that end matter isn that inform that presid back stimulu packag stephanopoulo two separ piec inform that confus you learn thi mistak that made stephanopoulo read articl thi morn and you presid awar stephanopoulo and awar read york time stephanopoulo don not knowledg you hear thi morn stephanopoulo didn wasn presid erron spin thi for purpos for 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senat dole thi number size dole presid can high thi talk number stephanopoulo don negoti that respect discuss posit discuss actual number stephanopoulo not talk basic outlin packag talk program care don level thi billion dollar dole sign packag stephanopoulo not white hous protest show hampshir todai senat dole speak that organ stephanopoulo not knowledg and presid touch senat kohl feingold stephanopoulo don talk georg presid palat fact nation sale tax have continu pai for not and scrap propos tax privileg have pai for not stephanopoulo presid believ deepli that tax rate upper incom american present budget and for second half your question refer you brief yesterdai georg subject accuraci inform you suggest dai that stimulu packag includ monei that solv water problem milwauke appar that not true wast water monei stephanopoulo wast water monei for wisconsin and milwauke not affect drink water problem wast water monei stephanopoulo affect water treatment implic your statement dai that fix thi diseas problem milwauke you agre that not case stephanopoulo not specif that water treatment wisconsin leftov question thi morn presid find that task forc deliber vat stephanopoulo not exactli don assum last time that had comment past and two dai ago sinc march stephanopoulo that don exact date georg presid thi morn mention that labor and busi group for vat tax appar nation associ manufactur talk perhap vat tax replac btu tax presid feel that perhap thi place tax propos thi total addit tax propos stephanopoulo vat thi point mean thi consid health care work group and that presid hasn made decis that financ health care wouldn replac tax that financ wouldn replac incom tax for instanc stephanopoulo discuss that term get vat tax congress senat dole press releas todai vat tax dai you chanc get congress chanc stephanopoulo idea that consider whether you put forward stephanopoulo that becom consider presid decid not consider you begin brief that circumst had chang and that had caus vat 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stephanopoulo not don long senat thing overnight don you made gai meet public stephanopoulo had meet don open press told you mean can time histori presid met oval offic stephanopoulo didn oval offic laughter didn not that not didn that laughter white hous bush administr gai offici invit bill sign ceremoni and white hous had repudi that want make stephanopoulo presid wouldn that not march order presid give gener vessei stephanopoulo had good discuss for half hour todai want import thing had full account for american pow and mia will into circumst surround thi document presid stress that want fullest account and that that can even polici vietnam vietnam respons question rais document and into investig discrep case increas effort remain implement trilater investig and access militari archiv and ambassador toon brief presid activ joint commiss and document vietnam fake dod analysi thi stage stephanopoulo not complet and thing that gener vessei will bring vietnames number defens offici that that prison refer fact american that vietnames had captur refer american time time peopl stephanopoulo don final determin wait for complet review make judgment you don final determin intens public interest thi you that that like possibl stephanopoulo don want character review complet georg topic schedul for speech boston stephanopoulo presid press confer tomorrow miyazawa stephanopoulo not posit expect toon vessei stephanopoulo meet stephanopoulo question stephanopoulo ambassador toon vessei and answer you respons wall street journal report thi morn presid distress press clip and that perhap distress you that stephanopoulo respons articl highli mislead extent that impli that presid had restrict access press point that answer question occas predecessor point question stephanopoulo hundr fifti occas jog stephanopoulo that good question andrea and point that articl impli that question answer tightli control photo opportun patent fals had press confer east room oval offic roosevelt room 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leader tomorrow stephanopoulo will gener meet wide rang issu that care includ aid and issu civil right militari issu stephanopoulo will come thi event name aid stephanopoulo don georg specif presid prepar for tomorrow meet prime minist miyazawa stephanopoulo had brief memo had gener discuss member treasuri depart trade repres and report stephanopoulo don report refer time ambassador kantor todai stephanopoulo intend us instanc that stephanopoulo don that report present presid will press hard case think that violat occur term wall street journal thrust that real schism hostil you feel that stephanopoulo not record articl presid like report that thrust articl mislead thrust articl that attitud presid not affect access fact open access administr recent histori can come your offic laughter stephanopoulo you invit press you end edt
talk.politics.misc	drug us younger ag articl that follow wednesdai april issu usa todai drug us younger ag mike snider drug us rise kid young eighth grader and lsd and inhal glue and air freshen survei annual nation high school senior survei drug abus find statist signific increas eighth grader us drug includ marijuana cocain crack lsd and inhal danger lose hard won ground reduc drug us naiv gener youngster enter adolesc lloyd johnston univers michigan chief research studi sponsor depart health and human servic drug us high school senior continu decad long declin studi student show percentag dai poll grader alcohol cigarett marijuana cocain grader alcohol cigarett marijuana cocain grader alcohol cigarett marijuana cocain grader us marijuana cocain and inhal declin year not lsd eighth grader lsd last year us lsd senior highest point sinc last year reduc drug us student requir kind strategi that health secretari donna shalala will part ill prevent plan survei show drug easier and fewer eighth grader disapprov scari shalala dealer focus younger vulner kid scott kennedi brewer and patriot david koresh cheap thug interpret bibl barrel gun atf spokesman atf cheap thug interpret constitut barrel gun
talk.politics.misc	win war drug not dea and organ american peopl that win war drug dispel propaganda that dea put show you drug war real statu prove assert post two articl usa todai that demonstr that drug us ag group rise wod work led drug abus substanti realiti that not substanc abus rise suppli solut thi problem text excerpt articl rock music and pot entitl mari jane appear current issu time magazin april law enforc offici pot advoc blow smoke talk comeback weed perhap chang administr marijuana lobbi full forc robert bonner head drug enforc administr fact lose battl youth ag smoke marijuana that figur and bonner fall bonner offer remind that studi confirm such marijuana health risk destruct nerv cell brain and lung damag chart that follow wednesdai april issu usa todai drug us eigth grader mike snider adolesc choic drug us eighth grader last month estim per student pct chg alcohol cigarett marijuana amphetamin lsd cocain crack sourc univers michigan institut for social research report not win war drug you can that tactic that dea emploi give peopl impress that war drug won select quot statist statist that support content that drug us excerpt time magazin that includ thi post excel exampl organ dea attempt deceiv public usag drug time usag drug substitut drug usag ag group drug usag anoth ag group take big pictur take into consider statist obviou that call war drug lost perhap drug war won illeg drug factor alcohol abus smoke and us inhal magnitud drug problem thi countri can true perspect for you don alcohol drug drink whiskei and come back and that not drug agenc dea illeg drug thi reason drug war fruitless attempt prevent substanc abus peopl will switch anoth drug becom scarc unpopular solut drug abus problem thi countri legal not drug toxic shown reason limit you won drop dead time and coupl thi massiv drug educ program reason legal part solut peopl easili obtain drug despit govern effort contrari monei spent drug interdict spent effect drug educ addition legal reduc crime profit motiv drug traffick kind crime not mention fact that addict reason prei innoc peopl for monei and posess order support expens habit legal street price drug fall substanti drug afford addict imho reduc substanc abus drug smoker make drug us social unaccept emploi heavi hand law enforc and punish peopl incarcer you peopl smoke lot us thi reduct number smoker brought public awar campaign law restrict peopl can light warn label cigarett packag taxat tobacco order reduc consumpt and propos that similar method us reduc substanc abus legal carri follow drug sold come clear concis inform state health hazzard involv thi product and recommend drug us thing dosag level and long drug us accompani packag drug contain drug tax rate that gener lot revenu not high encourag peopl acquir drug illeg channel part revenu collect drug tax us fund drug educ and law enforc make feloni sell drug minor peopl ag can sell drug not dodg pai tax drug sell drug warn inform absent failur pai appropi tax drug omit warn inform feloni establish govern agenc job insur that puriti and safeti drug high thi agenc prevent peopl get hold bad drug that fairli problem that thing discuss thi articl hash thi newsgroup nevertheless thought good idea give two cent buck and half onc you good idea stand wod ahead and tear into post that you view flame btw post articl usa todai not prove assert provid inform lsd usag youth notic poster thi group interest scott kennedi brewer and patriot david koresh cheap thug interpret bibl barrel gun atf spokesman atf cheap thug interpret constitut barrel gun
talk.politics.misc	drug us eighth grader articl that follow wednesdai april issu usa todai drug us eighth grader mike snider nation survei drug easier teen and fewer deem drug us riski for last two year govern offici trumpet result nation high school survei sign that drug war won thi year offici retreat drug us eighth grader risen survei student nationwid reason for increas experiment drug us drop eventu student will fewer drug contemporari act exampl substanc abus drawback social psychologist lloyd johnston survei author each wave youth knowledg skill and motiv resist drug johnston thi type resurg eileen shiff author expert advis parent delta that not issu preval alcohol and drug teen todai result alcohol adult decad aggrav problem babi boomer parent experi drug and alcohol teen friend not parent children even parent serv keg beer underag kid and friend shiff for recent graduat shiff and parent organ night lock parti booz drug allow fulfil that parent role peer group take offici talk war drug haven that suzann linkou scottsdal ariz volunt talk teen drug date and issu peer counsel and suicid hot line linkou member usa todai teen panel experiment drug real war drug wage educ wise don want give kid fact will give idea birth control you give kid inform access class pamphlet and speaker educ effort start kid school kindergarten dalla owen teen panelist miami shore fla rememb kindergarten us drug kid and grade made mind drug scare tactic public servic announc aren work commerci commerci open two good girl restroom talk prom date hit joint that hit home not attract you can drug you want you adolesc choic drug us eighth grader last month estim per student pct chg alcohol cigarett marijuana amphetamin lsd cocain crack sourc univers michigan institut for social research report scott kennedi brewer and patriot david koresh cheap thug interpret bibl barrel gun atf spokesman atf cheap thug interpret constitut barrel gun
talk.politics.misc	manitoban candid smith phonem harvard edu steven smith write bross sandbank cosc brocku brian ross write world futur bill clinton will appoint canadian govern american institut start american health care system will benevol canadian dictat anoth tax float clinton administr pai for free social program begun suspect that canadian long resent place american shadow brainwash american draft dodger fled canada time and tutor wai canadian social award smokeless marijuana cigarett correct answer return state control domin wife assign case attain high public offic and destroi evil individualist and free market forc america shape america canadian imag and not that made second clone tissu sampl that domin wife run helm pro busi parti guis free trade and inhal time boot gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
talk.politics.misc	homosexu articl apr romulu rutger edu kaldi romulu rutger edu theodor kaldi write perhap like not studi discredit kinsei todai clock new kcb san francisco thi statist quot men had sex anoth man cinsid themself homosexu understand that thi statist common and not correct complet thx vlad vladimir kuznetsov natur intellig consult vlad netcom compuserv vkuznetsov mci
talk.politics.misc	pedophilia law clayton man you tad touch gai comun countri process exclud nambla parad etc nambla gonna job dai care centr liber you upset pass law that make tough background check for childcar peopl you feel your employ fire you for your antigai post internet you upset bet you piss your post ight make compani bad your post offend dont for you fire dont gai comun ask for hire quota affirm action law understand that gai commun right srtraight dont peopl leas cancel landlord find gai dont that see walk gai busi and blab work that gai person get fire you justifi clayton told you parent coupl time you strip paper for for wors honestli want your opinion parent strip you care your childeren friend mine you care your childeren you care peopl childeren you care childeren you care sister childeren your kid told you gai you throw your home middl night you approv your childeren drive san francisco trow bottl and beat gai peopl you condon your childeren beat els childeren await your answer queastion flame thi civilis discuss father anoth
talk.politics.misc	homosexu articl apr romulu rutger edu kaldi romulu rutger edu theodor kaldi write perhap like not studi discredit kinsei wow thi mean homosexu will march washington interest cpk dai you your wallet slick willi hand pocket afraid grab hold
talk.politics.misc	abolish select servic dave borden borden head cfa harvard edu wrote select servic registr abolish start draft immor whether you agre that not don and militari expert agre that qualiti arm forc superior volunt armi drafte final govern list comput ir social secur admistr and motor vehicl registri name and can find maintain anoth list peopl utter wast monei and time ax thi depart and reduc deficit bit thi that retir navi offic agre cut not stop elimin transport overwight overdu overbudget suppos carri tank tank big for airplan scrap seawolf ssn nuclear submarin breakup ussr left number sticki militari problem will requir god gift submarin ground stealth bomber great airplan that will design half gigabuck copi can afford for even crash and airplan crash elmo zumwalt year ago high low mix extrem capabl weapon system and lot cheaper moder capabl system ken mitchel power not deleg unit state kmitchel netcom constitut prohibit state citru height reserv state peopl
talk.politics.misc	hunt marin gai bash wilmington verdict articl mattm mcmelmon appl mattm appl matthew melmon write yeah yeah yeah impress that marin question invit clinton for treatment bar fight bar fight threaten command chief unprofession thing for profession soldier appear that two marin sort charg pend anoth fight week interest frank frank chloupek chloupek ohstpi mp ohio state edu depart physic ohio state univers not ohio state univers hard and fast rule place parti place rourk
talk.politics.misc	hunt marin gai bash wilmington verdict articl apr poni ingr jab ingr jeff bowl write tfarrel lynx dac northeastern edu thoma farrel write question kind sexual pervers you particip and you made good case arrest offic bastard told purpos and hope victim die and you defens made good case lose apar not win clip even wors that defens attornei ask you serv your countri compar fine upstand exampl patriot didn respons don shown respons had vote pai tax pai salari support bill right unlik you counselor dream real question thi feder civil right case sinc state case sham sound lo angel trial not fag and dyke aren protect for fag and dyke civil right law doubt civil right case order for point that you mention even bad idea sinc smack real strongli doubl jeopardi civil case for damag fine sinc that trial that proce bad preced set king trial and thi make wors bad feel thi decis stand that charg assault not not proven marin and that stand frank mad somewhat sane frank chloupek chloupek ohstpi mp ohio state edu depart physic ohio state univers not ohio state univers hard and fast rule place parti place rourk
talk.politics.misc	clinton immun program articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu rscharfi magnu ac ohio state edu ryan scharfi write excus for stick nose parent parent not allreadi immun children free don deserv frig dime tax monei for health care for public health care servic immun program and come nation health care issu slightli seper issu wouldn kid don deserv tax hmmmmm kid cpk dai you your wallet slick willi hand pocket afraid grab hold
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write two paragraph two post splice togeth not intent chang steve mean misrepres don note anoth thread limit govt problem libertarian face insur that limit govern seek not becom tool privat interest pursu agenda failur libertarian ideolog not provid reason restrain such action utopian dream marxism fail pure commun achiev and state wither libertarian frequent fail show weaken power state will result improv human condit part start thi earlier exampl illinoi usa requir automobil transfer year becom licens us car dealer addit requir us car dealer licens car time time continu thi exampl and answer steve question steve you talent and inclin fix and resel car you good your spare time bump limit you full time stupid arbitrari law prevent you start small and pull protect hungri neighborhood competitor will low profit work extra hard fulfil and you protect you want your life libertarian offer you your monei belong you you can us bui car you us bui car your car belong you you can us your monei fix that car sinc your car you can sell that car your life belong you matter not think that wrong for you bui and sell car month car dissaprov not life monei your life and your monei monei mine belong can us bui car perhap your car perhap that car that dissaprov you sell and bui that govern and insist that govern make stop govern powerless stop properti abscenc fraud agress and powerless stop associ each thi not utopian dream basic human decenc and common sens real grass root exampl freedom and liberti and not peopl act master approv reject each basic transact each strike wonder improv human condit patrick
talk.politics.misc	top ten sign that ag aquariu pennsylvania avenu articl tuinn minerva ci yale edu chaudhari amar yale edu amar chaudhari write top ten respons ipser list happen that that take monei make thi countri work provid servic that peopl and solv problem that solv grant thing can effici for monei and thing cost monei and sick and tire hear whine tax time you want live countri you pai your fair share peopl pai share that fair and will continu even presenc presid clinton rich elit hurt tax and shower blood drip wound tax dagger will scream and yell tax kill poor and middl class and tire wealthi get free ride thi countri pai lot tax want share pain and not even slick willi that fair that and wife qualifi wealthi peopl talk lower end wealthi wealthi can hypocrit peopl peopl give live for countri and complain tax you will send die for stupid obsess fight enemi doesn affect and worst friend you you shouldn pai tax yah draft for vietnam sack shit pick and choos law obei chaudhari set you follow law you and follow law arrang hei bead curtain add love esqu touch never thought bead curtain bead seat cover hand health care human delet didn respond thi chang mind you health care human thi isn flame thing you free public transport will human membership prestigi health spa greas hill make love not war and wrap that wanker you spreadin that free love stuff fda get thumb ass us that neat realiti femi condom contrari popular belief male and feminist time discrimin deni equal opportun major popul plain wrong and forc into sort tradit role even wors women offer thi world men and dai that gender discrimin final broken make revolut past centuri reform bill forward amen and that hei man acadamia rule hell acadamia that macadamia cpk dai you your wallet slick willi hand pocket afraid grab hold
talk.politics.misc	nation sale tax movi articl inet dec blh uibois idbsu edu broward horn write puril babbl delet form guarante health care isn bad idea yah bit worri gubnint run hmo canada and belt tell move canada sinc peopl will yell and scream not canada screw bromeist predict per middl class taxpay tax nation sale tax impress great chuckmeist make coupl predict you will sun will rise tomorrow rush will bash clinton show will turn clinton love child chanc lucki even two for aammmaaaazzzzzziinnnnggggg predict nst will rais ooop nst will rais can argu you onc gubnint hand yer pocket can feel bit unemploy will rise you mean weaken economi will collaps face thi gubnint tax and spend and will handout line you geniu iii tax revenu will declin deficit will increas anoth deficit reduct packag will danc and sing deficit reduct spend cut fee increas paraphras hilari clinton will not rais tax middl class pai for program paraphras bill clinton will not rais tax middl class pai for program year polisci major will you that prez never rais tax congress vote clinton ticket wear thi label sucka made usa hook line and sinker chuckl cpk dai you your wallet slick willi hand pocket afraid grab hold
talk.politics.misc	tori win lotteri clinton gst articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu rscharfi magnu ac ohio state edu ryan scharfi write thi countri ruin fact boom compar elect thi usa hell and reagan bush caus not lame pathet and wrong reagan bush economi grew trillion dollar thi entir economi germani kind gentl countri peopl book joke drive cincinnati and not pretti thing that growth into hand ron and georgi pal and didn singl dime dammit and gonna bled death tax leech pai for damag ing great anoth thing lot peopl columbu drive marysvil and make japanes car american own compani emploi central ohio ohio state univers cpk dai you your wallet slick willi hand pocket afraid grab hold
talk.politics.misc	pro abort feminist leader endors trash free speech right word chill effect stimul impuls that small collect neuron you call brain cpk dai you your wallet slick willi hand pocket afraid grab hold
talk.politics.misc	foreign media reaction april part phill hallam baker hallam dscomsa desi wrote recognis iraqu respons initi iran iraq war provid technic assist iran oil product back capac smart move moment iran opec ceil had extra capac us and bring oild price interest agre phill point interest bring oil price that and great britain domest sourc partli satisfi energi prici opec oil impact germani japan and industri rival two addit proce sale saudi arabia kuwait etc disproportion reinvest and prop economi and provid incent price fall low dan epstein
talk.politics.misc	cramer evid articl philc hsii gft netcom phil netcom phil ronzon write naw you organ paper support abolit ag consent resembl stop support remov coerciv law paper facad legitim sexual relat children organ abolish ag consent law contrast abolish ag consent law thi make respect belong organ not gene ward smith brahm gang iwr ruprecht karl univers gsmith kalliop iwr uni heidelberg
talk.politics.misc	represent territori lunch boyd turtl fisher write articl kei lonestar org cwinemil kei lonestar org chri winemil write btw peev that citizen puerto rican etc close full represent hous repres chri puerto rican citizen stand correct guess that comment payoff pork puerto rican that make stand opinion relat topic peopl nativ territori represent hous rep congress constitut set hous repres repres each state proport popul and senat repres each state equal territori puerto rico knowledg thi handl past such louisiana territori northwest territori chri chri winemil internet cwinemil kei lonestar org texsun letni kei cwinemil
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write santa rosa cal press democrat april male sex survei gai activ low naton studi male sexual behavior thorough examin american men sexual practic publish sinc kinsei report decad ago show percent men survei had engag homosexu sex and percent consid exclus homosexu figur homosexu studi releas wednesdai alan guttmach institut significantli lower percent figur that part convent wisdom sinc publish kinsei report will interest reaction million queer gather washington million thi event unprecid histori articl contain number number sexual partner median number sexual partner for men don forget that had partner compar tabl post master johnson and kolodni show male homosexu partner appar that homosexu men dramat promiscu gener male popul and thi studi show for number sexual contact for homosexu that number inconvi for you shame that don breakdown for straight men gai men that show even dramat promiscu gai men fuck join pythagorean reform church repent your evil irrat number and bean eat wai accept into your heart call pythagorean reform church bb
talk.politics.misc	mow bodycount spp zabriski berkelei edu steve pope write thought count gorgeou bodi mow press white hous staff junior senat king motss curiou bia number brought law enforc peopl park servic polic and cop will us aerial photograph and extrapol base densiti crowd small region sort techniqu deriv armi intellig and cia method estim troop strength and tend methodolog skew come inflat number justifi bigger budget judg past experi march peac and justic march year and pro coic march park servic will come estim that approxim estim that organ will come last choic march had sign system and number end closer and you media type helicopt roll dice mow plan and hand sort wristband thingi and base count two problem thi can and two couldn possibl choos color design that won clash outfit bearpaw
talk.politics.misc	sexual proposit sexual harass thi tesrt
talk.politics.misc	employ not concentr child molest sy exnet xavier gallagh write make distinct work for surviv and pai due mother natur form labour and work for joe propertyown you not option work for joe propertyown stand you and earth you work and expect you pai and mother natur for surviv properti law creat layer parasit that fat fact that peopl option work factori want peopl thing life properti ownership not ideal let peopl live product fulful life experi america properti ownership deni caus starvat hunger and death peopl that pilgrim origin common properti grow food and common food store peopl hardship suffer winter arriv pilgrim made properti common share work and result crop into common store debat governor bradford privit land assign plot each famili perri westbrook chang immedi justifi increas industri inhabit and larger acreag plant bradford acknowledg thi failur commun wrote experi that had thi common and condit sundri year and that godli and sober men evinc vaniti that conceit plato and ancient applaud time that take properti and bring commun into commonwealth make happi and flourish wiser god for thi commun found breed confus and discont and retard employ that benefit and comfort bradford not blame thi failur stranger basic selfish men wrote men thi corrupt god wisdom anoth fitter for word westbrook bradford found privat enterpris suitabl econom polici for mankind fallen state not make mistak that pilgrim made privat properti societi flourish altern bring starvat poverti and discont paul schmidt advoc for govern davi crockett chapter presid judith drive johnson citi uunet tijc pj freedom unleash creativ energi peopl and lead higher level incom and social progress report
talk.politics.misc	abolish select servic kmitchel netcom kenneth mitchel write dave borden borden head cfa harvard edu wrote select servic registr abolish start draft immor whether you agre that not don and militari expert agre that qualiti arm forc superior volunt armi drafte final govern list comput ir social secur admistr and motor vehicl registri name and can find maintain anoth list peopl utter wast monei and time ax thi depart and reduc deficit bit surpris clinton hasn thi want tackl irrelev issu not thi thi that retir navi offic agre cut not stop elimin transport wrong capabl problem airplan haven get rid not answer you want start rebuild airplan scatch problem and will call for scrap option extend life and that get extrem scrap seawolf ssn nuclear submarin ground stealth bomber cost job for don ssn litttl fpa
talk.politics.misc	top ten wai slick willi improv stand american top ten wai slick willi improv stand american institut nation sale tax pai for social america health care resourc declar war serbia reenact draft stimul economi massiv incom transfer democtrat constitu appoint unrepet socialist mario cuomo suprmem court focu laser beam gai militari put hillari charg ministri truth and move stephanopoulo socialz health care balanc budget confiscatori taxat remind despit democrat hold presid major seat hous and senat republican manag block tax and spend program back england and refresh european social resign copyright edward ipser for slick willi book top ten list paperback
talk.politics.misc	role nation new media inflam passion articl iak murdoch acc virginia edu gsh fermi cla virginia edu greg hennessi write clayton cramer lower profil report that victim prostitut and man had not paid fals accus evid woman question prostitut defens alledg that fact that wear miniskirt underwear present evid that prostitut and court appar found thi compel even clayton differ err perhap clayton doesn differ clayton differ greg appar doesn judg found that credibl evid that marin engag defens judg found that prosecut not carri burder proof judg found that credibl evid that marin engag defens knucklehead small clip clarinew fair us guidelin hanov district court judg jacquelin morri goodson rule benchtrial that state fail carri burden prove marin act injuri part repeat judg found that credibl evid that marin engag defens hopefulli dai you will understand interest that case clayton accus respect credibl rate clayton cramer order magnitud higher new media and homosexu never thought clayton consist clayton consist and you view express theodor kaldi you kaldi remu rutger edu that major univers rutger remu rutger edu kaldi thi hold such view
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr articl cbnews att doctor cbnews att patrick hailei write articl apr isc isc steveh thor isc steve hendrick write two paragraph two post splice togeth not intent chang steve mean misrepres don note anoth thread limit govt problem libertarian face insur that limit govern seek not becom tool privat interest pursu agenda failur libertarian ideolog not provid reason restrain such action utopian dream marxism fail pure commun achiev and state wither libertarian frequent fail show weaken power state will result improv human condit patrick exampl anti competit regul for auto dealer delet libertarian offer you thi not utopian dream basic human decenc and common sens real grass root exampl freedom and liberti and not peopl act master approv reject each basic transact each strike wonder improv human condit patrick drag thi discuss back origin issu note not necessarili disput benefit elimin anti competit legisl regard auto dealer barber etc not swallow entir libertarian agenda accomplish thi end grant benefit allow wish cut hair sell servic regul not mean that unregul barber free bleed peopl medic servic govern intervent libertarian argu case case basi cost benefit ratio govern regul worthwhil libertarian agenda not call for thi assess assum that cost regul kind outweigh benefit thi approach avoid sort difficult analysi strike rest dogmat object analysi medic care educ nation defens local polic that suggest free market can provid effect effici mean accomplish social object provid statist approach notabl except not such nitti gritti worthwhil analysi carri profess libertarian jsh steve hendrick domain steveh thor isc thing data cut uunet isc thor steveh bull hofferbert bell
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl cyf murdoch acc virginia edu lfoard hopper virginia edu lawrenc foard write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write santa rosa cal press democrat april male sex survei gai activ low naton studi male sexual behavior thorough examin american men sexual practic publish sinc kinsei report decad ago show percent men survei had engag homosexu sex and percent consid exclus homosexu figur homosexu studi releas wednesdai alan guttmach institut significantli lower percent figur that part convent wisdom sinc publish kinsei report homosexu lie number hide disproportion involv homosexu child molest lie politician scare will interest reaction million queer gather washington million thi event unprecid histori peopl will march aren homosexu member leftist agenda articl contain number number sexual partner median number sexual partner for men don forget that had partner not surpris rememb that studi includ homosexu compar tabl post master johnson and kolodni show male homosexu partner appar that homosexu men dramat promiscu gener male popul and thi studi show for number sexual contact for homosexu that number inconvi for you wasn publish shame that don breakdown for straight men gai men that show even dramat promiscu gai men fuck typic homoseux respons clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl jcv new cso uiuc edu dan uxa cso uiuc edu dan write don forget cultur sadli don societi homosexu normal and awar alot peopl condemn result gai popul not encourag develop promiscu relationship fact roadblock put such commit relationship heterosexu such not marri isn roadblock perman relationship lack marriag certif doesn forc coupl break thi excus us homosexu altern promiscu straight dan clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl apr galileo rochest edu uhura rochest edu tree schnopia write optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl contain number number sexual partner median number sexual partner for men compar tabl post master johnson and kolodni show male homosexu partner appar that homosexu men dramat promiscu gener male popul shame that don breakdown for straight men gai men that show even dramat promiscu gai men possibl gai men like marri marriag isn requir for coupl stai togeth purpos thi post show mindless obsess statist incred flaw system reason and repel hatemong agenda purpos accomplish panach clue life face not andrew simchik schnopia you you and rest homosexu commun pass law impos your moral code requir hire rent associ homosexu will you face homosexu stop impos moral will your face thi clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	role nation new media inflam passion articl apu murdoch acc virginia edu gsh fermi cla virginia edu greg hennessi write kaldi write fact that wear miniskirt underwear present evid that prostitut and court appar found thi compel women wear miniskirt wear underwear and not prostitut histori work massag parlor and tell worker that prostitut frequent truck stop park lot sort greg hennessi univers virginia clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl apr new brandei edu pip brandei edu blort eeeep hwaaah write surpris articl thi subject inprov survei that roughli men gai front page york time recent thur april headlin effect survei find men gai shock not york time run stori sex survei that part thought that thi new import warrant front page space mean peopl care peopl gai long you find avoid you want don you don care effort put into promot lie import scare politician into obedi matt clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	clinton presid trip pittsburg sic articl bginnklu life mit edu clinton campaign org clinton gore write statement press secretari presid will travel pittsburgh saturdai april talk job creation plan and impact state pennsylvania creat haaaa haa haaa hell can come number unit column complic thi face percept that matter folk not fact thi full time job and summer job will make pittsburgh post gazett that mean job for allegheni counti metro pgh alon haaaa haaa haaa heh heh haaaa snif hope fix pothol street face folk depress and thi wpa clinton come beat sen arlen specter happen vacat africa don whether laugh cry casimir casei palowitch will two kind slavic catalog comput profession pgh librari system nextstep and cjp pitt edu job
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu rscharfi magnu ac ohio state edu ryan scharfi write articl stevethc jgcr netcom steveth netcom steve thoma wri te justifi war drug dare you friend mine smoke pot dai and last tuesdai hit acid troubl aim for bowl take dump don result boi cut drug war and peopl screw head your friend thi anecdot noth justifi war drug demonstr that war miser failur demonstr that peopl will drug want legal not perhap your friend take legal regul drug doctor supervis not posit dale cook town church bar social problem edward abbei opinion mine not employ
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl contain number number sexual partner median number sexual partner for men compar tabl post master johnson and kolodni show male homosexu partner appar that homosexu men dramat promiscu gener male popul shame that don breakdown for straight men gai men that show even dramat promiscu gai men isn funni noth homosexu flaw imho sourc inform pass jusgement homosexu and bisexu men logic that sinc heterosexu group men larger chanc promiscu larger opinion orient noth men men and sex gai male had sex time life man that virgin promiscu gai doesn mean moral heterosexu doesn mean world statist alon prove that crimin default hetero close person not group flame will brian stone unt ca tech support life your touch hard life you unthink brian gab unt edu
talk.politics.misc	manitoban candid previou articl smith phonem harvard edu steven smith anoth tax float clinton administr pai for free social program begun suspect that canadian long resent place american shadow brainwash american draft dodger fled canada hei talk mulronei lot huh
talk.politics.misc	month ahhh rememb dai yesterdai pai month popul pai extra tax rememb predict that wasn true rememb inaugur danc and sing liber last figur thi vat estim rais billion per year cnn work chum taxpay year you exclaim free health care exclaim you won thi for that poor million not for you chum that come add estim energi tax cost year that extra corpor and rich tax that will trickl and you year two month ago and part you don for deficit project rise rate rise clinton estim and thi assum that plan will work mean come doesn rocket scientist that anoth year get anoth whop tax increas deficit will grow faster economi clinton move higher dive board face clinton bush year countri will complet bankrupt and your children futur oft mention pal bill will and you delud will face guilt glanc watch gotta want noon appoint lake tax
talk.politics.misc	will itali domino fall note cross post alt polit itali and talk polit misc thi repli articl ipser appear alt polit usa misc and alt polit libertarian longer belong hate defend articl poorli written hallam dscomsa desi phill hallam baker write budget deficit regan and bush creat togeth start make claim europ collaps base budget deficit usa scale itali per capita debt higher usa not want countri run narrow elit rich lawyer for benefit super wealthi thi exactli public franc itali perceiv problem french elect and italian pulizia post pulizia itali like happen fring parti elect parliamentari deputi replac and parti forc peopl free hint corrupt for parliament pavarotti and porn star wrong thi true perhap for lega nord referendum sundai expect establish british american style past post system senat implement encourag two perhap parti system itali like and psi will not parti will shakeup entir parti structur parti will emerg domin will lega nord camera dei deputati lower hous will like remain proport represent for talk switch portion that hous past post elector reform itali chang italian tire crappi govern porn star pavarotti and hunter fisher won gain seat dead good two parti system will bring itali effici account govern time jeff hagen hagenjd wfu edu
talk.politics.misc	nation sale tax movi previou articl ckinci umr edu charl kinci great chuckmeist make coupl predict you will sun will rise tomorrow rush will bash clinton show will turn clinton love child hei wasn danc and sing jan roundli ridicul for predict easi that peopl sucka made usa hook line and sinker chuckl wait clinton plan for pension fund thi doesn think uncl sam monei bad and pension fund us turn state plunder state employe fund for past year gonna swell
talk.politics.misc	top ten excus for slick willi record set disapprov rati articl qkl usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu broward horn previou articl mb psuvm psu edu mark mark sach articl qhr usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu broward horn that doesn attitud that peopl stupid don agre you not bring you great success life free advic whew mark earth make you give fuck success hell tax thi excel that point comment thi common republican attitud that peopl disagre idiot sheep led evil liber media conspiraci thi danger attitud not big step peopl sheep can for peopl sheep and firm leadership thi sort attitud make worri happen unit state extremist wing republican parti get back into power holi christ hei thi govern fund newsgroup separ church and state damn ahem examin record broward clinton tax holi fuck you mark not month laugh thi broward clinton rais your incom tax mark not broward silenc want free predict predict that republican will bitter yeah yeah not impress predict thing that inevit propos that destroi moon neatli solv that problem your blood pressur mark sach mb psuvm psu edu disclaim psu knew had opinion charg for
talk.politics.misc	clayton not retract articl apr romulu rutger edu kaldi romulu rutger edu theodor kaldi write civil societi homosexu can maintain even modicum respect remain closet view express theodor kaldi you kaldi remu rutger edu that major univers rutger remu rutger edu kaldi thi hold such view onc appear that ei man appear land sight and for strang resaon appoint ruler and suprem power joe cipal
talk.politics.misc	top ten excus for slick willi record set disapprov rati articl emoryu emori edu libwca emori edu bill anderson write shapiro sofba enet dec steve shapiro write and btw william jefferson blyth clinton regard steve not and fail understand us that name insult you feel that adopt impli sort moral fail you and spare thin skin indign sauc for year georg herbert walker bush and danforth quayl insult sauc for william jefferson blyth clinton you feel that call presid full name impli sort disrespect hint thi rhetor question paul havemann internet paul hsh not opinion caffein for brain milligram per cynic observ recommend minimum daili requir read
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag brian gab unt edu brian drakula stone write articl contain number number sexual partner median number sexual partner for men compar tabl post master johnson and kolodni show male homosexu partner appar that homosexu men dramat promiscu gener male popul shame that don breakdown for straight men gai men that show even dramat promiscu gai men isn funni noth homosexu flaw imho sourc inform pass jusgement homosexu and bisexu men logic that sinc heterosexu group men larger chanc promiscu larger opinion orient noth don understand you get chanc promiscu larger rate promiscu lower heterosexu commun doesn that impli that homo sexual popul even promiscu raw statist impli ax grind scientist and hate statist abus men men and sex gai male had sex time life man that virgin hetero man and had sex woman life wife pleas that hope you feel that you you want experi joi and trial commit for life marriag that make commit greater expect promiscu gai doesn mean moral heterosexu doesn mean world statist alon prove that crimin default hetero don forget cultur sadli don societi homosexu normal and awar alot peopl condemn result gai popul not encourag develop promiscu relationship fact roadblock put such commit relationship heterosexu commun put block perpetu claim that gai immor allow gai marri rais children find moral can that can thought flame dan
talk.politics.misc	top ten wai slick willi improv stand american articl kmz newsserv technet ipser solomon technet ipser wrote top ten wai slick willi improv stand american delet for good reason you can guess enact law that ban peopl sens humor post allegedli humor item thi approv rate roof copyright edward ipser thi mean can quot permiss list your sig folk mel walker mwalker novel opinion express author novel inc not respons for content thi articl
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test apr igor tamri donb igor tamri don baldwin write shouldn drug legal lower cost and make safer us and don us drug legal alcohol and coffe addict chocol mob rule isn prettier mob call govern ain chariti you monei wilson theori rel you back relat mark wilson atlantaga ncr
talk.politics.misc	clinton immun program articl apr martha utcc utk edu utkvm utk edu david veal write articl jobh apollo goykhman apollo red her write articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu jlinder magnu ac ohio state edu jeffrei linder write articl fjsl ncratl atlantaga ncr mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr mark wilson write new last night clinton bash republican for stonewal call stimulu packag that small item thi packag pai for free immun for poor kid immun for children thi countri free you care problem not cost irrespon parent stupid lazi case you haven notic clintonit push univers health care access program access mean that folk not give damn immun children will health care servic deliv doorstep read program that ran into problem convinc parent children immun even deliv doorstep don that sheet inform risk side effect and bad reaction scare immun program step thing monei will pai for creat and maintan computer innocul databas children code name big mother kid name will children defens databas that onc monei spent and tangibl result achiev gover will start knock door neigborhood and bribe parent that pai kid for attend school fantast idea david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird disclaim opinion express mine not employ
talk.politics.misc	sexual proposit sexual harass articl lynn pcgeo lynn granitt uio malcolm lynn write thi tesrt your spell zippi zippi proof that dum blond isn women titl ihorton coventri cck
talk.politics.misc	clinton immun program articl apr utkvx utk edu drevik utkvx utk edu drevik steve write articl jobh apollo goykhman apollo red her write articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu jlinder magnu ac ohio state edu jeffrei linder write articl fjsl ncratl atlantaga ncr mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr mark wilson write new last night clinton bash republican for stonewal call stimulu packag that small item thi packag pai for free immun for poor kid immun for children thi countri free you care problem not cost irrespon parent stupid lazi don you live thi not case nationawid perhap your state municip put togeth fund area and area peopl immun cost nationwid immun rate toddler reportedli low citi neighborhood bet kid live such neighborhood cover medicaid massachusset had univers immun program kind clinton propos for year two decad mass immun rate guess parent ignor lazi simpli not care shatter your stereotyp case you haven notic clintonit push univers health care access program access mean that folk not give damn immun children will health care servic deliv doorstep disclaim opinion express mine not employ disclaim opinion express mine not employ
talk.politics.misc	not concentr child molest articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl edu kane buast edu hot young star write you admit that data you present show thi that child molest gai and not overrepres respect gener incid homosexu can show redbook articl correct wrong isn thi irrelev data show doesn studi show admit you show doesn prove that gai men like molest brian kane buast astro edu hot young star astronomi dept boston univers boston true person salvat achiev absolut faith true
talk.politics.misc	abolish select servic articl apr msstate edu fpa trumpet msstate edu fletcher adam write kmitchel netcom kenneth mitchel write dave borden borden head cfa harvard edu wrote select servic registr abolish start draft immor whether you agre that not don and militari expert agre that qualiti arm forc superior volunt armi drafte final govern list comput ir social secur admistr and motor vehicl registri name and can find maintain anoth list peopl utter wast monei and time ax thi depart and reduc deficit bit surpris clinton hasn thi want tackl irrelev issu not thi that clinton receiv draft notic and admit polit feasibl abolish not inclin risk extra exposur thi that retir navi offic agre cut not stop elimin transport wrong capabl problem airplan haven get rid not answer you want start rebuild airplan scatch problem and will call for scrap option extend life and that get extrem you read aviat week line can reopen and deliv year earlier and cost billion for program polit popular pork scrap seawolf ssn nuclear submarin ground stealth bomber cost job for don ssn litttl agre congress monei nasa and fha fund second seawolf shipyard build lo angel class submarin and lack asw foe contend navi reduc number attack sub navi time and that entail get rid mothbal current lo angel class polit gener dynam connecticut and will seawolf sub whether not addit base close long beach naval station and navi talk main base each coast requir home port total fleet ship question whether le aspin and clinton will face pork happi congress marc mueller
talk.politics.misc	nation sale tax movi speak vat cnn report yesterdai quit hillari pun intend ran percent tax ad each stage manufactur graphicali depict stack quarter ad each wholesal stage final stage actual retail sale small stack quarter ad larg stack amount paid consum word complet fact that each stage tax pass buyer retail consum pai full load not journalist lap dog roger shous univers chicago email shou midwai uchicago edu
talk.politics.misc	nation sale tax movi articl inet dec blh uibois idbsu edu broward horn write nation sale tax cnn new logo cool that mean man glad that quit work take thi bust ass watch time frustrat pretti damn mad had mail address total gumbi that clinton didn propos nst jerri brown essenti and clinton demagogu persona condemn brown for crucial primari last year don republican act togeth and will support broad base vat that visibl vat canada visibl unlik invis vat europ and suggest rate suffici halv incom and corpor and capit gain tax rate and rate suffici give clinton revenu for health care reform and forc agreement democrat that top incom tax rate frozen for forseeabl futur and increas nation referendum not make us clinton worthwhil shift tax burden invest consumpt and health care reform and frozen low top margin tax rate fell swoop gerald
talk.politics.misc	state justic articl apr desir wright edu demon desir wright edu not boomer write judg deni trial motion even two wit that occup truck dead impact not fire thought kind scari you realiz that judg start deni trial even evid that contradict fact that led previou rule judg decid that wit not believ shouldn that juri and member previou juri parad talk show proclaim obviou bia shouldn that for judg verdict and call for trial happen juror object peopl awar that brett last name list post bit listserv polit that hostil hire polici and moselei verdict equal opportun disagr guess guess judg opinion that motion deni due dilig ground parti case two semi credibl wit reserv spring lose not exactli promot repos daniel reitman uniform commerci code protect innoc purchas not shield for sly conniv blindli naiv hopelessli gullibl atla auto rental corp weisberg misc citi civ
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl contain number number sexual partner median number sexual partner for men compar tabl post master johnson and kolodni show male homosexu partner appar that homosexu men dramat promiscu gener male popul shame that don breakdown for straight men gai men that show even dramat promiscu gai men possibl gai men like marri purpos thi post show mindless obsess statist incred flaw system reason and repel hatemong agenda purpos accomplish panach clue life face not drewcif andrew simchik schnopia uhura rochest edu treewat word weren made for coward happi rhode
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl apr pmafir inel gov cdm pmafir inel gov dale cook write articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu rscharfi magnu ac ohio state edu ryan scharfi write articl stevethc jgcr netcom steveth netcom steve thoma te justifi war drug dare you friend mine smoke pot dai and last tuesdai hit acid troubl aim for bowl take dump don result boi cut drug war and peopl screw head your friend thi anecdot noth justifi war drug demonstr that war miser failur demonstr that peopl will drug want legal not perhap your friend take legal regul drug doctor supervis not posit agre you war drug fail opinion that doesn mean give chang tactic for instanc penalti chang deal coke death deal heroin death deal pot death deal crack death list and kid note that monei foriegn oper south america and costli border interdict effort don spend educ peopl plenti educ doper spend thing drug treatment program interest stori minut british prescrib and addict recommend dosag and ween cut amount level accept sound good heard decreas cost lower addict rate wipe dealer market etc that thing heard legal and stick drug ga station bought cigarett plain silli never heard recommend dosag for drug crack ecstasi chrystal meth and lsd minut report work cocain cigarett pot and heroin ryan
talk.politics.misc	top ten wai slick willi improv stand american articl kmz newsserv technet ipser solomon technet ipser write top ten wai slick willi improv stand american institut nation sale tax pai for social america health care resourc declar war serbia reenact draft stimul economi massiv incom transfer democtrat constitu appoint unrepet socialist mario cuomo suprmem court focu laser beam gai militari put hillari charg ministri truth and move stephanopoulo socialz health care balanc budget confiscatori taxat remind despit democrat hold presid major seat hous and senat republican manag block tax and spend program back england and refresh european social snip and number slick willi improv stand american drum roll anton appoint kervorkian and john kerrigan jmkerrig vela ac oakland edu
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl apr new brandei edu pip brandei edu blort eeeep hwaaah write wouldn expect heterosexu men gai men promiscu simpli due larger group potenti partner thought matt you that gai men promiscu straight men show damag and screw gai men clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl navn murdoch acc virginia edu gsh fermi cla virginia edu greg hennessi write articl philc netcom phil netcom phil ronzon write tell you fascist polit practic end discrimin fascism greg hennessi univers virginia you forc peopl associ will clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	not concentr child molest articl exnet sy exnet xavier gallagh write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl mjcuglei apr glenturret math and dunde mjcuglei math and dunde wombl attitud write absolut noth tabl for heterosexu you claim supposedli higher promescu homosexu male make insur risk you show that heterosexu male promiscu homosexu male data heterosexu male cannot make comparison promiscu rate heterosexu and homosexu mjcuglei math and dunde world mjcuglei dund math and obviou point make straight men fuck rabbit oppertun present reckon man wildli promiscu present huge varieti will partner question not that suppos lot screw you clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine xavier clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	california antidiscrimin sort case predict articl exnet sy exnet xavier gallagh write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write articl apr armori rstevew armori richard steven walz write face clayton not found guilti and gai sometim make consensu year boi year gai you and recal case state rest testimoni victim declin testifi even threat had teen sinc and lot peopl face clayton you jerk rsw richard steven walz rstevew deeptht armori mapl street safe and free abort women santa cruz organ surrog unwant parasit amaz peopl admit break law and put address signatur thi you make statement for district attornei had sex year boi great hell lot fun and you turn purpl rage time clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine walz monster past molest kid clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl apr gordian mike gordian michael thoma write articl new iastat edu jrbeach iastat edu jeffri beach write articl apr gordian mike gordian michael thoma write articl huh new iastat edu jrbeach iastat edu jeffri beach write don want wast time battl legal drug you want can into and prove idiot that idea read not fuck talk and not eager make fool you foolish person fuck talk and will gladli demonstr for such ignor you legal drug will provid benefit highli taunt propon safer cheaper drug revenu tax drug reduc crime and reduc organ crime specif etc etc you prove clueless you can into lot wast post that don thi group intend for and easili solv you research pragmat standpoint justif vice peopl will commit crimin alcohol legal for alcohol make you bad damn easi vast social and histor differ alcohol and drug make thi comparison worthless vice statut serv make expens for rich and danger for poor tim eloqu put peopl will and govern peopl decid that vice detriment societi and prai aid victim snear quot you revisionist sort that think such thing aid plaug deserv overwhelmingli vast major point aid case contract behavior choic nuff
talk.politics.misc	state justic articl qksa inni shellei washington edu tz stein washington edu tim smith write demon desir wright edu not boomer write judg deni trial motion even two wit that occup truck dead impact not fire thought can wit that burn truck dead unconsci testimoni contradict plaintiff charg and wit that occup move impact indic aliv and and provok sort sympathet gross burn aliv reaction kind scari you realiz that judg start deni trial even evid that contradict fact that led previou rule judg decid that wit not believ shouldn that juri kind wit talk wit accid directli involv paramed emerg room doctor etc us trial you don trial you screw and forgot call your wit two wit didn come trial tough luck for wit imo thi constitut evid talk expert wit will offer interpret data note that loser can find such wit thi ground for trial loser trial and loser becom winner and side come expert wit support rule that deni trial ground brett noth passion vest interest disguis intellectu convict sean casei white plagu frank herbert
talk.politics.misc	pork abolish select servic muellerm vuse vanderbilt edu marc mueller write fpa trumpet msstate edu fletcher adam write elimin transport wrong capabl problem you read aviat week line can reopen and deliv year earlier and cost billion for program polit popular pork read week and don rememb thi you suppli date magazin for can carri capabl read can land smaller airfield pork depend whether your job reli not california that not pork sinc due peac dividend peopl work question whether le aspin and clinton will face pork happi congress marc mueller huh shouldn that read question whether social pork happi le aspin and clinton will face job pork happi congress fpa
talk.politics.misc	clinton wiretap initi you thi newsgroup you find clinton propos wiretap initi for comput network and telephon system thi initi congress for past month guis fbi wiretap bill strongli urg you begin your futur strongli urg you your applic for passport mail strongli urg you move save you oversea into protect bank account you
talk.politics.misc	state justic articl apr desir wright edu demon desir wright edu not boomer write articl qksa inni shellei washington edu tz stein washington edu tim smith write kind wit talk wit accid directli involv paramed emerg room doctor etc us trial you don trial you screw and forgot call your wit two wit didn come trial tough luck for wit imo thi constitut evid test isn whether knew that reward for stupid test whether exist work wai had won trial and plaintiff turn two wit forward trial locat bad sad trial tim you don civil trial you screw time unlik crimin justic system repos import civil justic system ted frank thf kimbark uchicago edu card moop law school standard disclaim
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl stevethc netcom steveth netcom steve thoma write articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu rscharfi magnu ac ohio state edu ryan scharfi write articl stevethc jgcr netcom steveth netcom steve thoma wri te justifi war drug dare you friend mine smoke pot dai and last tuesdai hit acid troubl aim for bowl take dump don result boi cut drug war and peopl screw head answer you sarcasm sarcasm boi wod work good stop peopl screw head that exampl issu your friend drug legal not legal continu issu not us illeg drug and not screw pai for thi idiot problem not harm wod hand threat life and livelyhood sacrafic thi that and not that drug legal pharmacist pusher sell and pharmacist oblig not inform purchas danger drug us show us drug rel safe wai and danger impur respons for suffer that drug elimin dave borden borden harvard edu
talk.politics.misc	hunt marin gai bash wilmington verdict tfarrel lynx dac northeastern edu thoma farrel write you feel that defend convict evid that trueli sad dai for civil right don convict evid mind quit suffici evid you awar report media evid that present trial thi sound lot rodnei king trial bunch peopl second minut long video decid that knew peopl had sat two week trial mob rule isn prettier mob call govern ain chariti you monei wilson theori rel you back relat mark wilson atlantaga ncr
talk.politics.misc	limit govt employ not concentr steveh thor isc steve hendrick write drag thi discuss back origin issu note not necessarili disput benefit elimin anti competit legisl regard auto dealer barber etc not swallow entir libertarian agenda accomplish thi end grant benefit allow wish cut hair sell servic regul not mean that unregul barber free bleed peopl medic servic govern intervent libertarian argu case case basi cost benefit ratio govern regul worthwhil libertarian agenda not call for thi assess assum that cost regul kind outweigh benefit thi approach avoid sort difficult analysi strike rest dogmat object analysi medic care educ nation defens local polic that suggest free market can provid effect effici mean accomplish social object provid statist approach notabl except not such nitti gritti worthwhil analysi carri profess libertarian excel put even libertarian admit govern thing beauti perform art complex lauderdal that partial built tax dollar don privat and stolen mean public beauti and enjoi mind peopl citi will never attend singl perform feel differ pai for disagre desir effici give govern intervent power case case basi fact lot luck maintain freedom speech precis not decid case case basi issu judg decid whether polit speech allow sidewalk front post offic not decid whether pro nazi pro choic pro life pro tax polit speech allow sidewalk front post offic you can imagin result free speech decid major case case basi not econom issu govern taxi driver exactli can charg not bu line lawyer not desir decid right free speech case case basi not decid right free enterpris case case basi hope that govern can restrict interf free enterpris hope opinion govern that interfer free enterpris effici manner call polit market failur you freedom and abund produc you swallow libertarian agenda roger collin
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl dak vma smsu edu ext dak vma smsu edu write you that you bad good southwest missouri state parti run for student bodi presid token soror fratern face and presid and vice presid norml campaign hand condom and list qualif listen make sick parti establish thing that ruin thi countri run year student bodi presid can exactli campaign stand that tough crime job listen peopl want and fund thing that make sens condom and marijuana aren exactli worst thing don
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu rscharfi magnu ac ohio state edu ryan scharfi write justifi war drug dare you friend mine smoke pot dai and last tuesdai hit acid troubl aim for bowl take dump don result gee war drug for year and get drug imagin that friend grass don agre pretti harmless unabl number place stupid crack cocain half hour leav offic war drug complet unsuccess lead horribl abus peopl constitut right don think person justifi don
talk.politics.misc	role nation new media inflam passion kaldi write fact that wear miniskirt underwear present evid that prostitut and court appar found thi compel women wear miniskirt wear underwear and not prostitut judg found that credibl evid that marin engag defens knucklehead gee clayton and kaldi engag hominem argument present evid that you not judg rule provid your evid repeat fals claim not evid greg hennessi univers virginia usp mail astronomi depart charlottesvil usa internet gsh virginia edu uunet virginia gsh
talk.politics.misc	nation sale tax movi articl apr midwai uchicago edu shou quad uchicago edu roger colin shous write speak vat cnn report yesterdai quit hillari pun intend ran percent tax ad each stage manufactur graphicali depict stack quarter ad each wholesal stage final stage actual retail sale small stack quarter ad larg stack amount paid consum word complet fact that each stage tax pass buyer retail consum pai full load not journalist lap dog comment big new program describ vat ain sale tax tax govern love even surpris reason effect hide major tax consum pai consum kind car you pai for automobil tax peopl realiz contain two dozen tax your licens your tire your gasolin david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write santa rosa cal press democrat april male sex survei gai activ low naton studi male sexual behavior thorough examin american men sexual practic publish sinc kinsei report decad ago show percent men survei had engag homosexu sex and percent consid exclus homosexu studi show that percent men survei engag homosexu sex and percent consid exclus homosexu point that peopl and acut interest that thi clip newspap not mention that differ conserv media bia figur homosexu studi releas wednesdai alan guttmach institut significantli lower percent figur that part convent wisdom sinc publish kinsei report russ anderson disclaim statement and not reflect employ twin jack morri in pitch run world seri mvp
talk.politics.misc	capit gain tax increas lose monei articl igk panix eck panix mark eckenwil write apr midwai uchicago edu thf midwai uchicago edu sez articl apr desir wright edu demon desir wright edu not boomer write long term investor like larg capit gain foolish sell order avoid tax hike that disappear year and overcom year two accuml gain respons not peopl pai capit gain tax long term investor aren for huge blip whenev capit gain tax rais never that find thi advantag that for result readili notic and distort trend even brett eventu return figur correct and weren wrong for blip fail basic factor you misunderstand not prove for point that ted assert that blip revenu caus sell avoid tax can proven ted note not long term investor find oneself late anticip expens term that requir sell hold choic wait week and take extra tax hit sell decemb preferenti tax treatment fool choos not disput fact that brett can construct post hoc calcul benefici investor respect besid point plenti monei style advic unsophist investor late sell and save tax case miss shortag similar advic late last year nytim even that advic base not foregon conclus enact law assumpt that clinton rais tax rate cap tax contrari current propos work for situat you market don sell not sell you sell wouldn you evid that larg number peopl suddenli decid that higher tax meant sell year isn ted that increas previou year proof that proposit you can that trend increas capit gain revenu wouldn account for lot that increas height hous boom rememb peopl trade mad nice that investor behav optim econom interest assum weightless rope and frictionless pullei thi sort think fail describ accur happen real world brett noth passion vest interest disguis intellectu convict sean casei white plagu frank herbert
talk.politics.misc	clinton cave reduc job bill clinton back billion job bill word pare core jobless benefit monei for creat full time job summer job monei chalk for hold line spend brett noth passion vest interest disguis intellectu convict sean casei white plagu frank herbert
talk.politics.misc	month alan brock orang counti regist editori titl case for repeal incom tax attent quot tax incom flexibl definit that concept invit govern snoop into nook and cranni live encourag peopl snoop anoth and report transgress almighti state american deplor nazi communist regim american paid incom tax year ago withhold began world war temporari exig and median famili feder incom tax last year feder govern percent incom incom tax long ago that feder govern manag stagger percent revenu you incom tax convert free peopl into societi fear and snitch
talk.politics.misc	nation sale tax movi articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write articl inet dec blh uibois idbsu edu broward horn write nation sale tax cnn new logo cool that mean man glad that quit work take thi bust ass watch time frustrat pretti damn mad had mail address total gumbi that clinton didn propos nst jerri brown essenti and clinton demagogu persona condemn brown for crucial primari last year don republican act togeth and will support broad base vat that visibl vat canada visibl unlik invis vat europ and suggest rate suffici halv incom and corpor and capit gain tax rate and rate suffici give clinton revenu for health care reform republican gener fight tax increas worri that vat easi increas increment btw canada tax and europ that make visibl and forc agreement democrat that top incom tax rate frozen for forseeabl futur and increas nation referendum thi requir constitut amend and congress enjoi rais tax restrict that major pull that you difficult time forc that not make us clinton worthwhil shift tax burden invest consumpt and health care reform and frozen low top margin tax rate fell swoop primarili practic imposs freez tax rate thi that bother talk consum confid and consum spend gaug for economi import wouldn shift tax consumpt provid disincent spend monei david veal univ tenn div cont educ info servic group utkvm utk edu rememb you laugh dai your push elev shaft begin you don love anymor weird
talk.politics.misc	job pork bill thi wed wsj start white hous seek mount public pressur gop senat bombard new outlet senat home state new releas warn that project not fund billion stimulu bill isn pass project mention bill part list that fund billion commun develop block grant end sworn heard bunch clintonit and rave dishonest that rebublican take item thi list order ridicul thi bill that clinton that list order garner support for bill you gui honar thing and that clinton dishonest mob rule isn prettier mob call govern ain chariti you monei wilson theori rel you back relat mark wilson atlantaga ncr
talk.politics.misc	abolish select servic muellerm vuse vanderbilt edu marc mueller write that clinton receiv draft notic and admit polit feasibl abolish not inclin risk extra exposur libertarian small vote for clinton that abolish select servic and draft conscienc forbad war vietnam forbid perpetu thi system govern sanction slaveri agre congress monei nasa and fha fund second seawolf shipyard build lo angel class submarin and lack asw foe contend navi reduc number attack sub navi time and that entail get rid mothbal current lo angel class polit gener dynam connecticut and will seawolf sub whether not govern pai attent domest issu economi and choos stai peopl war iraq bosnia somalia not thi fix couldn job replac improv domest situat not for continu deficit spend clinton and congress want spend improv infrastructur fight peopl war addit base close long beach naval station and navi talk main base each coast requir home port total fleet ship question whether le aspin and clinton will face pork happi congress idea get naval base refurbish decommiss air forc base airport thi cheaper build ground denver airport appal exampl pork barrel and cronyism lifetim even airport need bill gate ross perot love privat airfield and monei purchas appli public debt jon dunn mail flame will delet read
talk.politics.misc	pork abolish select servic articl apr msstate edu fpa msstate edu fletcher adam write muellerm vuse vanderbilt edu marc mueller write fpa trumpet msstate edu fletcher adam write elimin transport wrong capabl problem you read aviat week line can reopen and deliv year earlier and cost billion for program polit popular pork read week and don rememb thi you suppli date magazin aviat week march cbo estim that match capabl requir total cost billion thi option billion cheaper complet program cbo estim will cost billion billion ten billion cheaper for can carri capabl read can land smaller airfield pork depend whether your job reli not california that not pork sinc due peac dividend peopl work california vote overwhelmingli for chang argument continu militari program support job poor quit base open that close year ago wast billion tax question whether le aspin and clinton will face pork happi congress marc mueller huh shouldn that read question whether social pork happi le aspin and clinton will face job pork happi congress fpa marc mueller
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl stevethc netcom steveth netcom steve thoma write boi wod work good stop peopl screw head that exampl issu your friend drug legal not legal continu issu not us illeg drug and not screw pai for thi idiot problem not harm wod hand threat life and livelyhood sacrafic thi that you you pai for thi idiot problem pai for balloon number addict and associ problem don even want hillari white hous and administr that feel pain harm drive school bu full kid into train get stone and drive sidewalk and kill peopl live welfar for rest life problem wod that bite send slimi bastard chair for sell drug kid bit
talk.politics.misc	california insur commission endors feder legisl protect consum scam insur compani articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write you mean sinc your philosophi economi almost collaps excus philosophi you don idea philosophi american economi had up and down number prevail econom philosophi econom scienc lifetim your philosophi social masquerad liber welfar state ascend earth clayton philosophi never discuss thi you minor point gee dude you idea econom and polit principl adher don that stop you you roll ascrib you want you choos wise person respons mean exactli wrote welfar system deal wholli inadequ cope current state affair absolut respons socialist even into social duh you expect socialist flash pan your subcultur utterli domin and movi industri for two decad subcultur get person subcultur domin and movi industri monei you bui sell and recent movement boycott advertis shown sensit sell happen person respons person respons for declin that extent that peopl encourag not respons for and encourag peopl not respons for specif make random date and heinou act you fit you and encourag peopl thing that make audienc respons for action finit amount respons conserv energi becom respons for occurr encourag actual perpetr becom correspondingli point perpetr becom complet innoc altogeth you thi lend mean term moral high ground oddli unskil semiskil peopl manag find employ almost immedi move cheaper part countri job plenti and cost live lower west side chicago cheap get squalor citi place cheap live and job abund pass sonoma counti will pass info curios kind job demograph mix wrt race ag cultur lot employ and utterli surround socialist suppos that sort environ that attract socialist not dissuad that area lot wealthi breed socialist spoil rich kid feel guilti wealth not guilti give for politician limit wealth life bitch ain man you fornicalia you consid someplac perhap geograph distant polit friendli you indiana utah doubt that thi drug isn left bui food and place you read such case and that make new show your statist afdc abus can you that rel drug food secondari don doubt you can show statist contrari will persist appar dogmat socialist belief hei you that afdc monei for wors long term feed fdc ken perlow apr germin cci gadfli ihspc att audac toujour audac encor audac
talk.politics.misc	top ten wai slick willi improv stand american articl mwalker mwalker npd provo novel mwalker novel mel walker write copyright edward ipser thi mean can quot permiss list your sig folk darn stop slam ipser and make fun peopl alan
talk.politics.misc	will itali domino fall hagenjd wfu edu jeff hagen write good two parti system will bring itali effici account govern yeah walter rolandi usenet rolandi andi hssc scarolina edu internet rolandi hsscl hssc scarolina edu
talk.politics.misc	win war drug not kennej okstat edu kennedi jame scot write chart that follow wednesdai april issu usa todai drug us eigth grader mike snider adolesc choic drug us eighth grader last month estim per student pct chg alcohol cigarett marijuana amphetamin lsd cocain crack sourc univers michigan institut for social research report not win war drug you can that tactic that dea emploi give peopl impress that war drug won select quot statist statist that support content that drug us excerpt time magazin that includ thi post excel exampl organ dea attempt deceiv public not can learn statist present due round est for lsd anywher and est anywher thi mean that actual chang you statist place anywher similarli increas cocain us anywher and increas crack us anywher thi doesn even into account margin error isn provid thi not mean that rest argument you present unfound mean that usa todai not surprisingli provid virtual inform
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag clayton cramer write compar tabl post master johnson and kolodni show male homosexu partner appar that homosexu men dramat promiscu gener male popul you select effect that will admit member sexual minor homosexu will admit member anoth sexual minor highli promisci didn that you greg hennessi univers virginia usp mail astronomi depart charlottesvil usa internet gsh virginia edu uunet virginia gsh
talk.politics.misc	clinton wiretap initi articl inet dec blh uibois idbsu edu broward horn write you thi newsgroup you find clinton propos wiretap initi for comput network and telephon system thi initi congress for past month guis fbi wiretap bill kind brainless clod post garbag kind explain thi clinton initi congress for past month jeez thing you blame weather poor gui blame world war blame civil war thirti year war
talk.politics.misc	bill target pension fund for liber excerpt insight magazin march paranoia part delet isn insight magazin publish moonei
talk.politics.misc	homosexu kaldi romulu rutger edu theodor kaldi write perhap like not studi discredit kinsei view express theodor kaldi you kaldi remu rutger edu that major univers rutger remu rutger edu kaldi thi hold such view understand psycolog class that percentag world wide your sourc for figur riyadh moosa sdsu chemistri cosc ucssun sdsu edu
talk.politics.misc	tori win lotteri clinton gst articl apr umr edu ckinci umr edu charl kinci rite articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu rscharfi magnu ac ohio state edu ryan scharfi write thi countri ruin fact boom compar elect thi usa hell and reagan bush caus not lame pathet and wrong reagan bush economi grew trillion dollar thi tha entir economi germani kind gentl countri peopl book joke drive cincinnati and not pretti drive cleveland and time toledo origin that place suck long planet thing that growth into hand ron and georgi pal and didn singl dime dammit and gonna bled death tax leech pai for damag ing great republican pass balanc budget amend for last ten year anoth thing lot peopl columbu drive marysvil and make japanes car for american compani couln even compet countri free trade isn even issu even automobil pendelum swung back big american own compani emploi central ohio ohio state univers don ten thousand ryan
talk.politics.misc	clinton cave reduc job bill articl apr desir wright edu demon desir wright edu not boomer write clinton back billion job bill word pare core jobless benefit monei for creat full time job summer job monei chalk for hold line spend radio report overli optimist clinton cut billion for commun block grant keep summer job hmmm pressur congressperson brett noth passion vest interest disguis intellectu convict sean casei white plagu frank herbert
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl cyf murdoch acc virginia edu lfoard hopper virginia edu wrenc foard write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write santa rosa cal press democrat april male sex survei gai activ low naton studi male sexual behavior thorough examin american men sexual practic publish sinc kinsei report decad ago show percent men survei had engag homosexu sex and percent consid exclus homosexu figur homosexu studi releas wednesdai alan guttmach institut significantli lower percent figur that part convent wisdom sinc publish kinsei report gai gai claim will interest reaction million queer gather washington million thi event unprecid histori dream abort and african american civil right ralli don even bring half that articl contain number number sexual partner median number sexual partner for men don forget that had partner wonder wasn get laid compar tabl post master johnson and kolodni show male homosexu partner appar that homosexu men dramat promiscu gener male popul and thi studi show for number sexual contact for homosexu that number inconvi for you care shame that don breakdown for straight men gai men that show even dramat promiscu gai men fuck bet you gai men not promiscu gai men option live straight life and social pressur join pythagorean reform church repent your evil irrat number and bean eat wai accept into your heart call pythagorean reform church bb you that fact that homosexu compar high hitler storm trooper power put triangl ryan
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl contain number number sexual partner median number sexual partner for men compar tabl post master johnson and kolodni show male homosexu partner appar that homosexu men dramat promiscu gener male popul shame that don breakdown for straight men gai men that show even dramat promiscu gai men isn funni noth homosexu flaw imho sourc inform pass jusgement homosexu and bisexu men comprehens survei sexual year logic that sinc heterosexu group men larger chanc promiscu larger opinion orient noth chanc and size noth common multimillion number scale talk men men and sex gai male had sex time life man that virgin promiscu that you chill gai doesn mean moral heterosexu doesn mean world statist alon prove that crimin default hetero kinslei report us high percentag prison ryan
talk.politics.misc	job pork bill articl isf ncratl atlantaga ncr mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr mark wilson write thi wed wsj start white hous seek mount public pressur gop senat bombard new outlet senat home state new releas warn that project not fund billion stimulu bill isn pass project mention bill part list that fund billion commun develop block grant end sworn heard bunch clintonit and rave dishonest that rebublican take item thi list order ridicul thi bill that clinton that list order garner support for bill you gui honor thing and that clinton dishonest clintonit cite clarifi sinc thi not case clinton dishonesti won necessarili defend issu never specif project includ commun develop block grant portion presid propos congression republican effort discredit stimulu packag select felt silli sound project list potenti project prepar mayor confer stimulu packag propos document question design pressur white hous increas size block grant propos submit congress didn work billion propos stimulu packag close cover total estim cost origin list pass commun select project fund and level case spokan tom folei home district expect refurbish local swim pool republican exampl fund stimulu packag sinc estim cost exceed total amount block grant fund citi receiv stimulu packag for project plan us monei public hous construct and remodel cope sever hous shortag yup place that true swim pool improv bottom long list prioriti prepar citi million receiv cover press prioriti block grant cut stimulu packag project that will affect lack fund and that clinton administr public issu final point not commun block grant worth note that congression republican opposit sinc nixon administr republican gener support such grant altern target feder spend argu that local govern determin spend prioriti washington bureaucrat clear thi complic understand jsh steve hendrick domain steveh thor isc thing data cut uunet isc thor steveh bull hofferbert bell
talk.politics.misc	homosexu articl qmtl gondor sdsu edu cosc ucssun sdsu edu riyadh jmoosa write kaldi romulu rutger edu theodor kaldi write perhap like not studi discredit kinsei view express theodor kaldi you kaldi remu rutger edu that major univers rutger remu rutger edu kaldi thi hold such view understand psycolog class that percentag world wide your sourc for figur riyadh moosa sdsu chemistri cosc ucssun sdsu edu survei conduct govern and group don call new show thi morn comprehens survei sexual past year not exact quot you idea thi low percentag ton evid disprov theori ryan
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl apr hemlock crai rja mahogani crai russ anderson write articl optilink cramer optilink clayton cramer write santa rosa cal press democrat april male sex survei gai activ low naton studi male sexual behavior thorough examin american men sexual practic publish sinc kinsei report decad ago show percent men survei had engag homosexu sex and percent consid exclus homosexu studi show that percent men survei engag homosexu sex and percent consid exclus homosexu and kinsei report year ago liber time homosexu point that peopl and acut interest that thi clip newspap not mention that differ conserv media bia smart realiz that that argument appli survei homosexu stupid idid bryant gumbl bring that point hee hee figur homosexu studi releas wednesdai alan guttmach institut significantli lower percent figur that part convent wisdom sinc publish kinsei report ryan
talk.politics.misc	ration viewpoint studi gai percentag articl jcv new cso uiuc edu dan uxa cso uiuc edu dan write don forget cultur sadli don societi homosexu normal and awar alot peopl condemn result gai popul not encourag develop promiscu relationship fact roadblock put such commit relationship heterosexu commun put block perpetu claim that gai immor allow gai marri rais children find moral can that can thought flame dan thi good point that held for not peopl develop path that choos desir even heterosexu tend leav hang sens knowledg and inform sexual and relationship difficult for young person develop and build posit view themself constantli told implicitli and explicitli that wrong and immor concept person relationship deepli embed emotion and fear fear cover wide rang jealousi and lack trust cornerston modern dai american relationship set top thi concept madison avenu attract and standard and put pressur measur
talk.politics.misc	pat robertson respons report cbn new correspond ken lormond meet slick willi and homosexu activist lormond clinton will not attend ralli homosexu washington thi month will town retreat senat democrat robertson yeah retreat laughter sustain applaus report correspond deborah whitsen fizzl boycott instig homosexu colorado whitsen colorado ski resort record crowd thi year despit call homosexu activist for boycott state record snowfal mountain thi year and skier come drove robertson and god snow sustain applaus view express theodor kaldi you kaldi remu rutger edu that major univers rutger remu rutger edu kaldi thi hold such view
talk.politics.misc	guess gai percentag articl bwq murdoch acc virginia edu gsh fermi cla virginia edu greg hennessi write clayton cramer write compar tabl post master johnson and kolodni show male homosexu partner appar that homosexu men dramat promiscu gener male popul you select effect that will admit member sexual minor homosexu will admit member anoth sexual minor highli promisci didn that you greg hennessi univers virginia obviou that cramer abil leap faith listen men involv thi studi and even claim that men involv will not truth put extrapol type studi survei limit subset individu and alot skew due improp select method and bia peopl involv studi side subject and research you admit part group that not like you admit had sex peopl consid abnorm rate thi appli heterosexu men fact gai man and straight man put men lie number partner that thing cultur for male almost requir thi type respons harmless and silli carri larg emot and mental price tag hear colleg male student everydai talk suppos conquest good anoth ey that alot thi colleg male hetero lot sex partner
talk.politics.misc	studi gai percentag articl bwq murdoch acc virginia edu gsh fermi cla virginia edu greg hennessi write clayton cramer write compar tabl post master johnson and kolodni show male homosexu partner appar that homosexu men dramat promiscu gener male popul you select effect that will admit member sexual minor homosexu will admit member anoth sexual minor highli promisci yeah and men haaaaat brag woman had ryan
talk.politics.misc	state justic apr desir wright edu demon desir wright edu sez judg deni trial motion even two wit that occup truck dead impact not fire thought kind scari you realiz that judg start deni trial even evid that contradict fact that led previou rule thi minor thing call interest final repos mean that parti aren drag into court and lose side discov evid don you brett suspect had resourc find expert and fact wit want trial start let open case practic invit civil litig earth ac hole case verdict btw feder crimin case rule permit motion for trial base newli discov evid made year verdict emphasi mine you make backhand point crimin justic discuss that crimin trial estim david brock amus wsj piec last week save your breath judg decid that wit not believ shouldn that juri yup shoulda brought time and member previou juri parad talk show proclaim obviou bia shouldn that for judg verdict and call for trial happen juror object reason that thi suppos bia predat trial oppos product and that unfairli prevent discov venireman conceal allow complain moral choos sort parent you start rough georg ad mark eckenwil eck panix cmcl panix eck
talk.politics.misc	state justic articl apr hemlock crai rja mahogani crai russ anderson write gui death row texa that deni trial dispit evid inoc recommend book adam texa stori man adam sentenc death for crime didn commit book stori long appeal process and problem and delai caus not introduc evid court john carr jfc athena mit edu
talk.politics.misc	good neighbor polit hypocrisi test articl ebm new iastat edu jrbeach iastat edu jeffri beach write articl apr gordian mike gordian michael thoma write don want wast time battl legal drug you want can into and prove idiot that idea read not fuck talk and not eager make fool you foolish person fuck talk and will gladli demonstr for such ignor you legal drug will provid benefit highli taunt propon safer cheaper drug revenu tax drug reduc crime and reduc organ crime specif etc etc ahhh classic truth blatant assert techniqu bad demonstr fals great britain for nice histori drug crimin evid show that period time drug such heroin illeg crime and peopl die bad drug time drug legal trend revers you prove clueless you can into lot wast post that don thi group intend for and easili solv you research thi great exampl ironclad proof gosh convinc for humor impair assert for you evid dodg request for proof claim thi group intend for research you you realiz that plenti reason that legal drug will benefit societi plausibl argument aren convinc that crimin drug answer will convinc wrong doubt like you can dale cook town church bar social problem edward abbei opinion mine not employ
talk.politics.misc	state justic articl ainnmq senat bedfellow mit edu jfc athena mit edu john carr write recommend book adam texa stori man adam sentenc death for crime didn commit book stori long appeal process and problem and delai caus not introduc evid court and recommend movi thin blue line case not legal detail excel film show easi come seemingli conclus evid you guilti matthew austern can eventu make languag matt physic berkelei edu complet impedi understand
talk.politics.misc	bush clinton wiretap initi articl inet dec blh uibois idbsu edu broward horn write you thi newsgroup you find clinton propos wiretap initi for comput network and telephon system thi initi congress for past month guis fbi wiretap bill guess your strength isn math clinton hasn presid for month word bush wiretap initi strongli urg you begin your futur strongli urg you your applic for passport mail strongli urg you move save you oversea into protect bank account you you panick snap authur garrett johnson thi cultur shock you wait till garrett ingr settl into situat and found bear start panick dougla adam
talk.politics.misc	nation sale tax movi articl veal utkvm utk edu veal utkvm utk edu david veal write articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write articl inet dec blh uibois idbsu edu broward horn write don republican act togeth and will support broad base vat that visibl vat canada visibl unlik invis vat europ and suggest rate suffici halv incom and corpor and capit gain tax rate and rate suffici give clinton revenu for health care reform republican gener fight tax increas worri that vat easi increas increment graduat student earli and had confer reaganom jerri jordan member council econom advisor speaker had pleasur drive back airport and sinc tax main topic discuss thought vat favor for reason you mention that incom base hazi defin that tax save and invest that like visibl agre and report that cea that time favor vat not propos ask repli that reagan white hous fear that democrat introduc vat addit incom tax lieu not give idea pretti prescient btw canada tax and europ that make visibl canadian reader tax displai price sticker rel not europ king sparki banaian almost young kbanaian pitzer claremont edu white gui dept econom pitzer colleg morn and big smile latest gdp forecast face you homer wrote iliad souza
talk.religion.misc	religion and homosexu magarret magnu ac ohio state edu comput dudett write recent realiz that bisexu and recent return religion and good friend point that homosexu sin bibl don consid sin male homosexu explicitli mention bibl you hook event plenti peopl denomin not person sexual identif gai lesbian bisexu immor lifestyl choic somewhat liber feminist and pro choic and that pro choic and religi don mix told thi anoth misconcept you not told stori minist lesbian and person and profession openli gai and lesbian minist unitarian universalist and denomin pro choic you needn unitarian universalist liber religion for accept your sexual identif and pro choic view spiritu and freedom conscienc good luck your journei daniel connel meadvil lombard theolog school univers chicago divin school dsoconn uchicago edu
talk.religion.misc	apr god promis psalm articl kdr duz acsu buffalo edu psyrobtw ubvmsb buffalo edu robert weiss write will hear god lord will speak for will speak peac peopl and saint not turn folli psalm jp for leader korahit psalm lord you will favor your land restor jacob fortun you will forgiv your peopl iniqu pardon sin selah you will withdraw your anger turn your rage turn god helper revok your displeasur will you angri forev prolong your wrath for gener sure you will reviv that your peopl rejoic you show lord your faith grant your deliver hear god lord will speak will promis peopl faith not turn folli fear make glori dwell land faith and truth meet justic and kiss truth spring earth justic heaven lord bestow bounti land yield produc justic set
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talk.religion.misc	christian daemon biblic demon updat articl apr sradzi radzi sradzi radzykewycz write swaim owlnet rice edu michael park swaim write file permiss beast radzi sradzi radzykewycz write file permiss beast and file permiss home directori beast boylan sltg ljo dec steve boylan write hei radzi depend your system access polici usr user total drwxrwxrwx beast system jan beast drwxr boylan user mar boylan drwxr guest user sep guest password root beast beast umask beast root minut grep beast etc passwd beast tuk rauogq not walt disnei usr user beast usr user beast profil usr user beast profil echo umask usr user beast profil cat usr user beast profil chmod usr user beast mailrc mailrc echo beast log mail radzi sradzi jack sn mailrc mailrc usr user beast profil usr user beast profil chmod usr user beast profil cat usr user beast profil usr user beast profil wait final get mail you made mistak check you not run ultrix steve don miss england folk festiv april natick massachusett
talk.religion.misc	christian devil reveal for puzzl concept adam and ev come good and evil thi resolv god univers each action evok equal and opposit reaction can good evil opposit issu not you you give your allegi that even thi sin state perform evil act submit god not place that sin act account rom vein you can perform good deed book your life not god control you sin rom good man christian devil real viru meme infect and possess good peopl and human be emphasi not matter good peopl evil peopl good peopl good peopl vex christian devil can burn lynch rape wise rise christian devil real man can you explain hundr year histori even can explain christian invok christian devil you knock you can come understand you live sin walk and sit love you plai clown bend low you yah buke brother and stone woe woe woe hung tree gang woe woe woe doesn matter man live life love doesn matter man honest life love want want hallelujah hallelujah lai head woe ska beat eaven man stiff neck fool you you cool deni for simplic you for long your love for vaniti you wrong interpret mix vain imagin jah sun and jah moon and jah rain and jah star and forev eras your fantasi yeah lip righteou teach fool die for want wisdom rich man wealth citi righteou wealth holi place jah sun and jah moon and jah rain and jah star and forev eras your fantasi destruct poor poverti destruct soul vaniti yeah don want rule don want fool don want school thing you you never you wrong interpret mix vain vain imagin stiff neck fool you you cool deni for simplic love yah move rhythm love you danc great joi feel such sweet togeth and remind dai jericho trodden jericho wall dai trod true babylon gonna trod babylon fall angel seal babylon throne weep and wail tonight
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talk.religion.misc	zoroastrian san jose merc new articl zoroastrian san jose usa mondai april san jose mercuri new page reproduc permiss year tradit glow assimil threaten ancient zoroastrian religion jeann huber mercuri new staff writer high hillsid san jose flame leap hour dai gleam brass urn templ unit state dedic world ancient religion flame prayer bai area zoroastrian that faith will surviv thi land fear real fear silloo tarapor lafayett gener die immigr group struggl maintain ident strang land for zoroastrian poignant concern religion for perhap year heritag deep scarc comprehens state histor site sometim year religion great persian empir king cyru and dariu and tradit that christ born year honor visit zoroastrian priest magi scholar kei belief christian jew and muslim can trace teach zoroast zoroastrian prophet zoroastrian entir world miniscul minor countri live surviv peopl mind iron local zoroastrian fear that almost unlimit toler unit state hundr year persecut year benign religi segreg not young peopl stop think zoroastrian zoroastrian not religion and shun notion win convert children becom total assimil children world larg will loser import ident maneck bhujwaia san jose leader zoroastrian india import for irish scottish american mean life you don depend major commun give you respect you can fall back your ident for zoroastrian proud prophet zoroast seek make sens cultur anim sacrific multipl god common preach that god good zoroastrian call god ahura mazda translat lord wisdom and light good evil zoroast life constant struggl good and evil good eventu win men and women join battl for good and warn that inevit suffer consequ such shame and sorrow wrong preach honesti chariti kind anim respect for environ hard work equal men and women basic virtu preach prophet religion zoroast perhap unusu that told follow not follow blindli demand for fact joseph campbel famou scholar histori and mean myth trace western emphasi individu thought zoroastrian zoroastrian word for thought motto lead into stain glass window sacr fire templ slope mount hamilton good thought good word good deed not surpris that zoroastrian educ highli india conting zoroastrian arriv ninth centuri escap persecut muslim iran zoroastrian claim percent literaci statist india percent half bai area zoroastrian commun india and pakistan studi univers half fled iran revolut made that fundamentalist islam state had right local zoroastrian point pride wai emphasi good deed improv life countri inhabit san jose recent restor hotel saint clari manou mobedshahi san francisco base hoteli pass board downtown landmark and templ templ dedic chief guest honor mother zubin mehta zoroastrian conductor york philharmon orchestra templ exist anoth good deed decis iranian emigr late arbab rustom guiv bui land for six templ north america acr site crother road mount hamilton paid for land lo angel chicago york toronto and vancouv gift zoroastrian templ thi contin local zoroastrian rais monei build actual templ and properti had larg hous that convert commun center templ dedic year ago birthdai prophet zoroast simpl structur gleam white wall vault ceil and oak floor partial cover huge orient carpet central featur fire set middl partli glass area center build zoroastrian sometim call fire worshipp fire symbol god help concentr christian us cross and muslim us holi book bhujwala biggest celebr year occur earli spring for iranian includ zoroastrian year begin dai season symbol start life zoroast birthdai six dai combin religi and secular holidai creat par unit state celebr christma and jan for thi year celebr prophet birthdai peopl worship and revel good thing life not forbidden esfandiar anoushiravani leader iranian member had and prove insid templ worship fill chair and sat stood edg room half dozen priest chant thanksgiv prayer tabl laden brazier smoke sandalwood glass milk and water and trai heap dri fruit and nut kid crowd grab hand treat peopl eat fruit tarapor particip ceremoni santa clau sort gather even had santa clau iranian style flow white hair and bag gift for children thi amownaroz wore green symbol spring and red ush sort spring clown hajefyrouz danc and plai tambourin zoroastrian india charm thi for told visitor ask visitor john sabanovich folsom intrigu religion year ago busi trip iran zoroastrian procedur for accept convert result centuri persecut iran promis hindu king allow into india that not interfer peopl religion that not stop sabavich join celebr san jose templ whenev can heard thi religion thought god thi religion for and good peopl don tradit lean differ lower anim end articl
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talk.religion.misc	question for popular moral articl apr microsoft bobsarv microsoft bob sarver write understand word mean inflict pain enjoi masochist and noth wrong you gross bizarr and agre you your disgust not equal moral wrong hudson inflict pain whether enjoi not hurt perman damag bodi that true your busi peopl reason that read bibl and xtian you perman damag your brain your logic for come into your home your bibl and send you educ camp save your mind ruin you readi for that hudson and noth wrong you gave you author that and set standard for moral live think person make choic for not you show you observ error your think trust you make rule for set standard for moral and permit you for not forc you accept rule simpli you don peopl doesn give you stop hudson awar that you for you obnoxi arrog think moral can forc you bullshit that brought religi war pogrom jew gai bash and atroc peopl you knew moral you hudson you you peopl you want can and cannot di and made you god come can thing hudson aren you aren you indic that not peopl aren you tell wrong for that not moral standard that present you hudson kei get life peopl point respect trust peopl intellig make choic and expect return you hand not trust and want make choic for whether not avoid inconsist you that you set moral standard for and interfer live you logic admit that peopl interfer your life you will that your religion correct and tell you that agent act behalf your religion interfer peopl will that you misinterpret word god and that actual true believ and that you act your author and hudson gave you author set such moral standard for that cannot set moral standard for you can set standard that you want don surpris peopl don follow you rat pi piper basic form not you and will beat you bloodi pulp you interfer life human level that recogn that peopl sentient be possess intellig and capabl reason recogn that treat respect and allow make decis
talk.religion.misc	question for popular moral hudson peopl hurt bodi can hurt peopl bodi peopl not want hurt hudson and hurt will violat choic hudson els will such big deal moral rel don that moral rel that can make mind you and that you don that you will find that moral system respect for human life and digniti person stuff point that form core disagr primit moral absolutist and rest hudson insan lover pain reason peopl experienc pain learn enjoi fine clinic definit crazi and thi involv violat free will insan lover your exampl inflict pain will subject hudson you premis deriv thi you don that patent fals statement hudson you sort premis choic awar you not demonstr you exampl footbal team doesn requir premis freedom choic sentienc awar you wrong and you don moral system you david bold suggest and read subject you preach
talk.religion.misc	question for popular moral hudson you that immor for onesself experi pain hurt unpleas that doesn moral violat free will hudson you can deriv immor hurt selfish motiv can for exampl that wrong hurt peopl that make product member societi hudson make product member societi immor hudson you screw moral not not defin and wrong defin accept social behavior overton good and evil pick your trash not wrong moral issu etern sens good and evil moral sens that accept social behavior your definit word moral caus you trip and sinc selfish that want maxim gain societi will not anoth member societi that action cut benefit can deriv societi hudson your benefit relat moral your definit caus you shoot foot hudson feel that person benefit enhanc damag deplet resourc societi hurt societi immensli that irrat think peopl that death atom destruct sublim and wonder thing not execut that idea want simpli peopl make mind moral doesn prevent spot and stop madman hudson and even will stop interfer and life that differ and you you want interfer peopl live even aren affect you hudson central charact dostoevski crime and punish reason that kill thi jewish woman and stole monei educ and establish financi make great contribut societi reason that not profit societi collect rent and hoard monei central point that moral system that intern consist kill charact had accept premis that end justifi mean accept that premis order consist accept idea that dai anoth person appli standard life unwil accept thi premis will not will accept behav inconsist moral standard footbal exampl delet hudson suppos freshman bench will plai player field court injur kill thi freshman plai big game talent scout can hurt player team slightli lessen chanc team win gain great person benefit oper pure selfish immor selfish motiv arrang for sniper shoot team player leg get plai front talent scout that freshman behav moral selfish intent sometim gener appar moral action not two problem bat problem your analog that doesn address goal that start win game plai front talent scout win game creat analog and ultim goal will you intern consist question not address freshman thi peopl accept fact that happen dai unwil violat moral standard
talk.religion.misc	question for popular moral hudson and materialist point view that nervou system matter wrong produc chemic reaction matter thi matter aliv and awar and feel pain hudson moral rel big hairi deal you person that moral rel peopl hold absolut moral system person that digniti individu and free will absolut recogn that moral system don accept thi reject danger and anti social nazism form commun fundamentalist xtianiti that not slam for part almost moral system agre two point and sky and that creat god includ thi matter part god wrong put part god test tube and make reaction isn that form blasphemi hudson gener christian creator creation distinct religion big don accept yor premis bad enforc view you whether you premis not and sinc you can prove isn even intellectu basi for your resist accept viewpoint hudson long will long doesn hurt becom and rel rule that left will want matter hurt big jump two posit and you don plai stupid realiz that you disput you call popular moral you logic you stretch thi bit thin hudson don onc moral becom rel degener that reason that gener evil hurt peopl bad don suffici answer thi you oppos moral relativ you call capac degener you advoc nonrel absolut moral system absolutist moral system choos come thi decis peopl disagre chosen moral system hudson moral consid rel and thi rule isn base arbitrari rule peopl abandon fine can agre you type moral get base nonrel not mean that pick your xtianiti base can start moral base digniti human freedom choic toler etc and never reli xtianiti for consist moral system base true principl not mean that involv xtianiti xtianiti not monopoli principl behavior fewer religion guiltier violat principl
talk.religion.misc	question for popular moral articl apr microsoft bobsarv microsoft bob sarver write immor hurt you wouldn want happen you hudson that make immor you not consist moral system consist person think can inflict pain doesn want inflict doubl standard and doubl standard violat moral system moral defin interact peopl rule that us guid daili affair conduct fellow man realiz that don pain can realiz that peopl don hudson don pain don brussel sprout brussel sprout immor pain isn immor stupid pain physiolog reaction immor subject unwil individu pain brussel sprout for that matter hudson immor produc chemic reaction test tube isn chemic reaction that wrong bozo make human undergo effect chemic reaction your cute analog didn surviv for long scrutini hudson wrong make human undergo effect reaction human compos matter human compos isn qualifi criteria whether not wrong hudson wrong make matter undergo chemic reaction sentient matter natur not sentient forc choic involv question moral hudson heard geologist entertain notion that matter had will sentient forc fine heard that govern encod dna for race superhuman ordinari drink water your point hudson human made matter choic chemic reaction choic import issu and that case god idea contain mind peopl form matter and print page form matter and not exist can argumentem absurdium you can won prove point for you relev you want talk you plai cute game
talk.religion.misc	list biblic contradict articl bskendigc cqb netcom bskendig netcom brian kendig write specif bring fact that genesi contain two contradictori creation stori blank stare flat denial never had fundamentalist acknowledg that two account creation that two creation stori worst exampl difficulti bibl form can translat had form chapter two problem text not demand that two creation stori link hudson
talk.religion.misc	question for popular moral articl apr midwai uchicago edu dsoconn midwai uchicago edu write base true absolut moral that can stand note that major peopl remain unconvinc thi idea isn worth pragmat sens not you stand thi base preciou link
talk.religion.misc	religion and homosexu articl apr midwai uchicago edu dsoconn midwai uchicago edu write male homosexu explicitli mention bibl you hook condemn lesbian act bibl roman event plenti peopl denomin not person sexual identif gai lesbian bisexu immor lifestyl choic plenti don read bibl prai for that matter link hudson
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talk.religion.misc	list biblic contradict hudson athena uga edu paul hudson write bskendig netcom brian kendig write specif bring fact that genesi contain two contradictori creation stori blank stare flat denial never had fundamentalist acknowledg that two account creation that two creation stori worst exampl difficulti bibl form can translat had form chapter two problem text not demand that two creation stori don genesi that god creat earth anim human turn and that human creat anim can you escap thi contradict brian kendig sui fait comm aucun bskendig netcom ceux que vu os croir etr fait comm aucun ceux qui exist mean life vaux pa mieux moin sui autr that end rousseau
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talk.religion.misc	question for popular moral paul hudson hudson athena uga edu write not directli come moral argument for exist god show absurd atheist materialist relatavist embrac common moral system absolut man heart that and wrong inherit thi knowledg matter absurd suggest that common moral system creat mankind absolut not contrari reason suggest that common moral system creat mankind sensibl fact for bibl us mankind moral code interpret mankind and workabl moral system creat for everydai us jewish talmud result centuri biblic scholar analys word torah understand moral children israel strict set moral civil judici and ceremoni law follow and thi not cover instanc moral dilemma societi for christian situat that code moral that judeo christian god that contain bibl can divers opinion christian newsgroup not clear absolut moral defin judeo christian god for mankind follow that subset simpli concept written man thi lead problem defin moral for societi divin moral code practic interpret wai exampl immol heret fifteenth centuri and interpret bibl man that anoth man precept administ justic agnost moral code practic that can modifi suit societi danger that thi impli altern basi judeo christian moral and interpret extend thi creat and justifi code moral suit societi live and enabl peopl live righteous christian and christian philosoph drive forc definit moral for societi import aspect result david religion sea fish cri swam clear
talk.religion.misc	fragment primari problem human natur fragment human state tension tension opposit good and evil thought provok polar that come mind bibl exampl fragment war opposit product man rebellion god describ vividli page scriptur man creat order becom god word basil fourth centuri that god creat man partak divin natur eastern orthodox church thi call theosi deific can that man creat spirit soul and bodi oper unison stori adam and ev pictur archetyp human obtain moral conscious harmoni relationship each world and creator that innoc harmoni shatter disobei god natur whole fall apart into two seemingli irreconcil halv immedi guilt and fear manifest live becom bound hardship toil and suffer thi symbol exil paradisiac state beast jungl not possess moral conscious receiv thi awar knowledg good and evil paradisiac state destroi intent creator leav man thi state innoc dai exist earth gain awar carefulli stage god not desir that masterpiec mankind bliss idiot god that for mankind achiev kind moral pass confront opposit achiev union god jesu christ answer problem war polar perfectli integr individu reconcil opposit and make for integr becom god not essenc energi opposit christian problem apostl paul describ utmost precis roman and follow answer dilemma mark
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talk.religion.misc	spread christian christian extremist kill doctor articl pua mailer fsu edu dlecoint garnet acn fsu edu dariu lecoint write david sacco dsav andrew cmu edu write not snide thi christian conveni religion maliabl and suitabl for occass sinc can and follow whichev bit pleas and reinterpret bit that don match desir fact conveni that capabl believ god for brand christian difficulti left pick sect join dean kaflowitz christian conveni teach jesu christ and ten command conveni love hate world conveni turn cheek conveni conveni that burdensom time christian discount ten command sundai cannot substitut for sabbath make that that poll recent religi and adulteri thi newsgroup alt atheism place dean kaflowitz
talk.religion.misc	biblic contradict fallaci answer juda produc error last week chorion decenso you look index your bauer arndt gingrich greek lexicon you found that word act for lot klero not chorion state archer and larg discuss klero theolog dictionari testament bromlei mean burial plot discuss discuss form klero klero kleroo etc and mean klero plot land and inherit mention noth chorion burial plot thi not surpris good thing you dump archer refer wrong admit that not handl greek grammar and confus klero second last word act plot land discuss actual chorion last word act greek dictionari not discuss chorion cannot report nuanc word abhor publish trash abhor even sinc not present author subject not feel dishonest openli admit ignor and incompet thi exampl felt honor bound set research specif word note that greek grammar not tough assum not nontrivi mean and not compet not opaqu had thought turn that index for bauer arndt gingrich greek lexicon render each vers order each word vers put greek alphabet order mean vers decipher syntax clear hand greek english intralinear bibl make thing lot comprehend and word for field act chorion check greek english lexicon greek english lexicon testament louw and nida robinson greek and english lexicon testament greek english lexicon testament grimm word studi concord tynsdal greek english lexicon testament and earli christian write bauer arndt gingrich analyt greek lexicon perschbach each case mean word chorion various space place region district field area countri place land farm estat bit tillag and similar mean book mention grave book into great detail surpris find that book inadequ and archer compet scholar greek like that archer investig into contradict onc your friend lack substanc and archer shown worthless expert wit decenso honor present result thi matter even had found support archer content lexicon robinson definit agro word us matthew describ field bought word agro defin field countri chorion specif note synonym agro thi signific evid silli bulling exegisi state that word for field matthew agro word for field act chorion and talk two field you admit stupid bulling exegisi thi small serendip drive point home decenso show compel reason reput scholar reput refer thi issu close decenso you can answer question denial peter dai crucifixion tyre and fact that author matthew quot wrong prophet discuss potter field dave butler precis knowledg true knowledg and not teach exactli not teach henri ward beecher american clergyman record georg seld
talk.religion.misc	biblic contradict not answer juda decenso spite requir scholarli opinion hang juda reject that scholarli opinion scholar and rephras scholar opinion subject matthew that hang and act record death and plausibl that fell hang and hit rock therebi burst open can longer assum that case contradict matthew not juda di result hang scholar iprob quot that show that highli regard scholar explan text initi can assum juda di highli probabl and noth greek suggest success failur simpli mean hang oneself you research greek word apacgw you will find that denot success scholar excel reason assum that suicid success point recent check lexicon greek english lexicon testament louw and nida robinson greek and english lexicon testament greek english lexicon testament grimm word studi concord tynsdal greek english lexicon testament and earli christian write bauer arndt gingrich analyt greek lexicon perschbach coupl simpli state hang oneself and coupl explicit and state that apacgw mean specif kill hang coupl note that mean root word for apacgw strangl throttl choke pretti invalid gui suggest david joslin that juda hung upsid refer robinson greek and english lexicon testament not state translat gave root word liter translat relat greek word us root and present specif exampl word greek literatur give context word apagchw two root word gchw strangl root and root word apo mean liter thi root word includ word denot transit can mean transit place greek word apagello mean send messag apo can denot chang state and specif chang life death robinson specif make comparison word apokteiuo mean kill liter mean word apacgw mean throttl strangl put and implicitli denot chang life state life death word apacgw mean hang specif denot death robinson quit specif state that mean hang oneself end life hang note us apacgw homer odessi denot context present that exampl apacgw us explicitli mean suicid hang sinc perfectli good word for strangl ad denot death and you insist that bibl written god and word precic correct you stuck complet mean apacgw sinc word apacgw us death denot result note that decenso present exampl apacgw septuagint greek translat us time jesu us samuel ahithophel that advic not saddl donkei and aros and home hous citi put household order and hang and di and buri father tomb notic that not state that ahithophel hang sept apagcho explicitli add and di doubt result matthew not explicitli told juda di note decenso you septuagint translat hebrew greek and you not shown origin mean hebrew hebrew and di and whether simpli echo greek point that ad and di correct translat apacgw man die strangul redund correct evid that septuagint repeatedli rewritten and reedit includ version contradict each and such edit not even necessarili execut greek not that you can us septuagint stand paragon ancient greek you prove your point decenso exampl ancient greek commit apacgw and surviv you simpli make worthless assert evid note decenso that everytim research your appar 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that juda had monei box jesu tell bui for feast that give poor receiv morsel immedi and night note that that juda left not that monei box your explan you choos unproven iniqu mention anoth author book written time iniqu explicitli mention author act find thi forc and contriv thi argument becom moot sinc evid that apacgw mean suicid you sinc juda hang success not spent monei mention john matthew and mark explicitli betray high holi dai passov and not spent monei kill dai monei bought field blood piec silver piec silver that night and couldn spent that dear that hous card com thi point discuss whether jesu crucifi fridai saturdai that part argument juda prophesi potter field mention matthew you thi studi death remind discuss thi you remind you discuss part vers discuss and you quit procrastin and sidestep issu dave butler wise man proport belief evid david hume philosoph inquiri human understand note that you not state that that bibl not possibl inerr you state that inerr sinc you your 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talk.religion.misc	imaginari friend info and experi articl apr mnemosyn edu kditto nyx edu kimborli ditto write concerniong thi thread drop dead fred thi movi tipifi imaginari friend theme love movi had imaginari friend kid and borught back great memori you chanc drop dead fred make end bless kim patrick brosnan patb bnr mcsun ukc stc patb northern telecomm oakleigh south london phone flash love you hour save univers
talk.religion.misc	god promis peac psa lord good and tender merci work jer and will dash anoth even ther and son togeth saith lord will not piti spare merci destroi
talk.religion.misc	god promis righteou righteou flourish palm tree isa righteou perisheth and man layeth heart
talk.religion.misc	christian extremist kill doctor regard hpsdde sdd adrienn regard write articl mar poni ingr dan ingr rose aros write griffen didn save live children and destroi life man superfici level scum almost agre griffen not scum scum guilt freedom choos griffen god not make scum made griffen made preciou person and thi person chose wrong for gunn you examin close griffen prefer that children born birth griffen assist offer griffen intend support educ rais citizen intent whatsoev children birth real problem american becom insensit and complet wrap that cannot straight make even slightest and obviou moral decis base realiti man abandon woman care for child not consid respect decent man thi man fled respons behav lazi coward and turn respons wife and child woman decid kill unborn child releas burden not thought man abandon woman suffer child free grow and live happi and normal life woman abandon child dice kill salin vacuum and man choic and man sometim suffer badli that wish trade place child th root thi problem selfish arrog that feel and desir suprem and your not worth dung and you come thi substanc hell made reason love god can throw selfish peopl devil and demon for etern unrepent into heaven and ruin chanc don answer question real good guess and and wouldn call that benevol move direct don respons kill and sight media back complet real respons not sell respons that sell marketplac that make feel respons show that show true irrespons want feel good peopl want noth good peopl give freedom good and rest world can burn rape and kill children and throw parent place poor folk rot dead hate brother and sister and cheat wife husband screw govern screw and don talk give church church peopl bunch monei grub hypocrit good person admit love and that greatest love world not that man lai life for brother that sound christian root thi substanc hell made becom indulg backslidden societi longer respons children parent famili govern god thi root justif evil corrupt govern slander remark lie and murder societi cannot continu live thi long will destroi itsself and perhap end that will biggest bless thi world can hope peopl evil turn thi situat deplor horribl crime child murder want prevent not punish reach root evil practic inmost soul revolt dread deed mater motiv love eas desir save suffer unborn innoc woman guilti commit deed thrice guilti drove desper impel crime susan anthoni revolut juli
talk.religion.misc	scarlet hors babylon daemon articl qilgninnrko lynx unm edu blowfish leo unm edu ron write easi neighbor beast beast live end cul sac notic thi dead hors your keyword line thi famou scarlet hors babylon that beast that for you illuminatti ride wonder mediaev manuscript fear your announc that girl dead prematur bet place race down last sundai and slid bad not dead comatos god that suppos ninja gourmet will fight for food jim peavler opinion not exist peavler plk mil that call albuquerqu opinion
talk.religion.misc	languag and agreement mwunix mitr org jame meritt write meritt state explicitli induct argument lead you conclud tice think biblic quot context articl explain you reli induct reason implicit uncertainti determin tice opinion man for question final whether you agre statement word agre and phrase not disagre ident mean
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral oxymoron andrew houghton write wait hear good respons christian type christ word quot paul reconcil current christian belief almost world popul claim christian similar belief and lifestyl centuri model pure coincident luke state nevertheless son man return will find faith earth jack
talk.religion.misc	object valu scientif accuraci year can that christian moral frank mail thi bounc fast move scope didn group that you subscrib apolog regular folk articl qjahh mr horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write scienc real world basi valu not round you you valu mean us and you scienc that you equat real world scienc recognit pattern percept univers and make qualit and quantit predict percept noth valu can valu not experi not and object valu set valu propos believ applic such thing object scienc can not object kick head don agre scienc predict mention accur that will effect percept time laps input univers versu percept turn valu whether loosest sens word percept simpl theori accur predict not object set tarot card don us scienc synonom accuraci period tarot predict not not accur can shown accur scienc appar accur valu object besid point tommi
talk.religion.misc	food for thought tyre king ctron john king write not exactli prophesi impli that peopl live area token never rebuilt peopl live hous correct net impli fish villag thi exactli becom cry origin posit statur find that roman time tyre vi sidon for place intellectu life period that tyre seat christian bishop eventu dioces that magnific church kind phoenecia basilica built tyre that tyre for export glasswar wine white marbl and dy cloth that tyre seaport provid outlet for south arabian indian and even chines trade that tyre had accomod grow popul perpendicular horizont line growth run land build that tyre establish coloni thi sound small fish villag stretch imagin centuri abbasid tyre had opul and flourish bazaar and build stori thi period tyre note for export sugar bead and glasswar crusad tyre second flourish citi held frank lot tire write read descript modern lebanon major citi lebanon includ tripoli sidon tyre baalbek and zahlah emphasi thi sourc discuss impact lebanes civil war and isra militari action trade port tyre and sidon note that israel withdrawel tyre appear enjoi reviv local economi tyre such insignific fish villag present call citi major citi show map popul figur for citi lebanon tyre citi list even list dozen citi long philip hitti lebanon histori earliest time present martin feder research divis librari congress lebanon countri studi edit thoma collelo earli tyre had peopl state figur rang assum correct modern standard talk hors town hors town sound lot work for hors tyre connect road mainland even us car dai encyclopedia britannica pop est refer give figur thousand rang atla popul tyre sourc give compar high figur for sidon and beirut doubt that typo perhap figur for citi and surround area don doubt that popul tyre fluctuat last decad isra militari action hurt tyre quit bit alex fell onc time fall that you think egypt bce seleucid bce rome bce rome fell arab conting captur crusad recaptur muslim and subsequ pillag french turk british and todai lebanon thought you talk time that tyre destroi don not appli not tyre citi area sidon for exampl can you make case for tyre singl recov thrive commerc dye tyrian purpl roman time thi correct roman domin and major creat wealth siphon prophesi hold true had good deal autonomi seleucid tyre receiv right autonomi antiochu ephiphan and onward enjoi complet autonomi start larg seri coin occasion gold descript tyre roman don fit your character and abbasid allow flourish you stretch you describ tyre noth small fish villag josh mcdowel christian apologist standard scholarship quit low happen quot sourc you quot nina jidejian tyre ag beirut dar mashreq publish sentenc fact defend fulfil propheci argument you argument that haven print anywher jump conclus that you quot josh find jidejian book isn list book print can you descript odd read curiou
talk.religion.misc	gai homosexu fact fiction toni honestli you you good thing post that piec propaganda peopl that will feel justifi blatant persecut gai orient peopl film call gai agenda and church found horrifi not shown cleaver us edit can creat imag portrai becaseu familia familiar wide activ distribut and naiv peopl believ garbag found truth that you can fulli speak for call themself gai know and know testimoni and wit thier faith and life that report you post bias report claim gai truth that you innat gai you cannot harm you caus speak abolitionist support affirm gai right societi not support wild sex misrepresent perpetr christian fundamentalist extremist peopl not sexual deviant your report paint mistak that apa remov homosexu list mental ill mistak that christian and homophob long bring back list not feel threaten gai don understand articl two popular gai min istri exodu intern homosexu anonym founder gai support group choos homo hetero robert pela gai orient magazin advoc 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feel compel commit gai want eventu stop feel guilti and make for damag brought commun end articl caligiuri tori mean uniqu and read articl leader and founder gai ministri similar similar thing fortuant not left christian come realiz that god love despit attitud chri glaser director presbyterian lazaru project west hollywood presbyterian church work gai commun bring into sheepfold christ and encourag real ethic valu sexual sphere gai talk and becom and becom close friend onc attend such group love action and onc claim reform honest live lie matter disappoint even encourag marri seal heterosexu eventu start hit bar bathhous and bookstor sinc activ conceal night and night stand promiscu behavior meant continu sin commit relationship thi horribl trap church dump back gai orient peopl and inno cent victim case wive and children such marriag church insist that two option will gai peopl heterosexu celebaci thi sad mrtifi case cannot suppress desir and fear for thier saniti such mix confus 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talk.religion.misc	food for thought tyre articl inn ctron new ctron king ctron john king wrote not exactli prophesi impli that peopl live area token never rebuilt peopl live hous correct net impli fish villag thi exactli becom cry origin posit statur alexand destroi tyre and peopl move back and construct hous and peopl live and call tyre not consid rebuilt consid peopl that togeth for fish and need hous place state figur rang assum correct modern standard talk hors town sigh never born citi home town peopl consult citi and inform that fish villag thi citi kristinestad found centuri peopl live norm even bizarr for dumb swedish queen found citi coast finland paul thought worth mention small fish place tyre act keen fisherman and want visit shore tyre cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	apr god promis john brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli write brian kendig contort can not light cleans taint blood innoc man show brian kendig dark fundament basic testament concept santif and lev foreign you bad you not interest understand bad you prefer blurt folli even your shame lev for life flesh blood and you altar make aton for your soul for blood that make aton for soul testament big ey for ey busi make sens that leviticu support physic injuri repai moral wrongdo sanctif taught sundai school catech class and theologi class even that can accept not understand understand bottom heart that punish innoc man wrong repeatedli year accept can thi mean that can accept premis that god thi perfectli good ignor you can show guess wait till tomorrow you can explain death jesu good thing glad hear and you even convert warn that heard common argument and don convinc brian kendig sui fait comm aucun bskendig netcom ceux que vu os croir etr fait comm aucun ceux qui exist mean life vaux pa mieux moin sui autr that end rousseau
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral frank frank dwyer write question for you subjectivist relativist nihilist het idea that relativ objectiv degre that relativ accur decript truth objectiv power and abil control event assum for moment that moral rel two relativist can recogn that lock absolut truth and can proce negoti workabl compromis that produc desir result assum that absolut moral two disagre objectivist can wrong room for compromis onc you beleiv absolut moral you accept that you amor that disagre you amor choic peac compromis endless content that compromis rai fischer convict danger enemi truth rai netcom li friedrich nietzsch
talk.religion.misc	gai follow apolog for typo previou post retrospect quot anoth sourc dougla haldeman book homosexu therapi ineffect recent founder anoth promin gai ministri exodu intern denounc convers therapi procedur ineffect michael buss and gari cooper cofound exodu intern and lover for year involv organ program describ men ineffect not person heal state that program exacerb promin feel guilt and person failur counsele driven suicid thought result fail repar therapi previou articl quot last post advoc june call gai robert pela person thought great astonish that concert effort major portion church control and mandat chang minor rank thi momentum spanish inquisit requir confess faith tortur and save soul dispatch heaven death even bibl us vigor defend slaveri oppress and segrag african american even justif lynch todai scholar bit slick approach tool coersion mean brainwash and mind control convinc peopl that god see maintain cultic hold felt thier mind condit complet physic forc stai thi repar therapi sheer social pressur for thi found bondag hate abolitionist advoc abolish oppress and persecut gai facet civil life person judg contibut contribut societi live not high brow standard conform impos haven clue heart for seek inform gai and group that accept contact your nearest chapter pflag parent friend lesbian and gai will happi assist you thi group peopl compris gai lesbian and bisexu parent and friend form support group for and understand talk parent gai son daughter and learn hand real life and love understand god love and understand for gai peopl abund you pax
talk.religion.misc	apr god promis john receiv gave power becom son god even that name john
talk.religion.misc	food for thought tyre curiou check san jose mercuri new mention tyre outcom research condenc version copyright san jose mercuri new bomb two largest citi southern lebanon kill peopl and wound car bomb blew tyre kill peopl and wound man kill and wound explos nabatiy isra navi patrol boat attack and sank rubber guerrilla boat southern lebanon earli todai kill two men aboard armi command communiqu that dvora patrol boat open fire motor rubber dinghi north tyre identifi hostil armi isra boat injur affili slain guerrilla not immedi rival faction guerrilla group led terrorist mastermind abu nidal battl sundai tyre lebanon machin gun and rocket propel grenad kill peopl and wound polic lebanon mainstream shiit muslim militia thursdai that had uncov network tunnel southern lebanes villag pro iranian kidnapp had held western hostag offici militia amal led local journalist catacomb allei and show two cell iron door villag kawthariyet siyad tyre ancient port citi mile south beirut offici that marin col william higgin detain shortli seiz gunmen road tyre februari count articl year report found reason number for inhabit citi defin and that tyre place peopl libanon flee extens bomb constant flow refuge enter and leav tyre articl mention thousand peopl enter and leav thi place count articl for home town kristinestad will thi place fish villag cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	treatis miracl muhammad part droplet vol part vast ocean miracul qur translat arab and turkish write bediuzzaman nursi risal noor vol part nineteenth letter jizat ahmediy risalesi treatis miracl muhammad peac and bless name allah allah glorifi noth glorifi allah prais name allah compassion merci messeng guidanc and religion truth make suprem religion and suffici allah wit muhammad messeng allah and firm unbeliev and merci each you will bow and prostrat seek allah grace and pleasur mark face sing prostrafion thi similitud torah and indgil sinc nineteenth and thirhi word mission muhammad prove prophethood decis evid assign verif that subject word supplement will show nineteen sign flash that great truth sign owner and master thi univers knowledg dispos affair wisdom direct seeingli treat knowingli and arrang will and wisdom such purpos and that appar sinc creat sure will speak sinc will speak sure will speak conscious thought and speech sinc will speak thought sure will speak humankind make and awar comprehens consciou be sinc will speak humankind sure will speak perfect mankind and worthi address and highest moral and qualifi guid human will speak muhammad friend and foe alik testifi highest charact and moral and obei human spiritu rule half globe submit radianc light illumin futur mankind for thirteen centuri believ lumin segment human renew oath allegi time dai for happi and peac prai for call allah bless and bear admir and love heart will speak muhammad and will make messeng and will make guid for rest human and continu allah your irfan islam
talk.religion.misc	question for popular moral articl murdoch acc virginia edu pmy vivaldi acc virginia edu pete yadlowski write moral driver distinct delet thi case driver not evolv simpli not manifest infant moral code not learnt object driver act manifest can driver detect for purpos not exist moral code begin agre your notion driver that not moral pre and super moral mention earlier thi thread primal sens connect pre and post natal umbil awar express partial fragment that accomod and form return languag and custom cultur thi halt pidgin english express come call moral compar driver urg such jealousi urg and object jealousi not technic exist object appar capac jealou even not detect your descript unbil pass understand gist and tent agre two definit can sit side side troubl haven attempt defin reason moral driver hint essenc each moral your definit hint that anim capabl similar moral simian similar social order ourselv and easi anthropomorph anim thi misunderstood suggest hold true thi area work carri prevent moral deterior societi kind work exactli you ask big question slight suspicion that you hope contenti thi repli your final question not wonder you subscrib school psycho social thought and rehabilit and perhap you had plan interest hear thought fall roughli line john stuart mill and write utilitarian plan bit person ethic and social work opinion for worth that author for each moral increas and that thi will gener effect don that list moral chang for societi significantli author element come author figur and role model eric bern and transact analysi work mavi klein for refer and thi rise deterior moral standard long term had thought definit think that add moral charact list definit order dynam version moral natur interplai moral code and associ author suitabl analog graphic equalis hifi system moral natur set frequenc and chosen amplitud and moral charact spectrum time conscienc difficult can defin reason person action context moral natur conscienc cut time unbidden and unwant conscienc manifest decis made time compromis moral natur conscienc fit freud superego moral driver stimul urg freud reason that mention freud ego suppos moral driver part reason conscienc cut unbidden partial explain question stimul activ moral driver time thi that for david religion sea fish cri swam clear
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral ton mail move thi discuss alt religion feel that life joke bob dylan you happi dai your life you wouldn human you game show host movi heather lectur lek chur process note professor becom note student pass mind
talk.religion.misc	bhagavad gita text bhogaisvarya prasaktanam tayapahrta cetasam vyavasayatmika buddhih samadhau vidhiy bhoga materi enjoy aisvarya and opul prasaktanam for attach taya such thing apahrta cetasam bewild mind vyavasaya atmika fix determin buddhih devot servic lord samadhau control mind never vidhiy place translat mind attach sens enjoy and materi opul and bewild such thing resolut determin for devot servic suprem lord not place purport samadhi mean fix mind vedic dictionari nirukti samyag adhiy sminn atma tattva yathatmyam mind fix for understand samadhi samadhi never for person interest materi sens enjoy for bewild such temporari thing condemn process materi energi bhagavad gita book bhaktivedanta swami don forget chant hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare kalki infolin bb aiken south carolina usa system kalki lake trenton
talk.religion.misc	question for popular moral articl freenet carleton freenet carleton jame owen write previou articl david terminu ericsson david bold don mean rude that you hold wrong end stick david had your post and you mean intent explain jung thought moral god that overlook your main line thought you that god unknow moral unknow yep that pretti not jew understand that thi jewish think jew that coven yhwh and patriarch abraham and mose thi case establish moral code follow for mankind even jew not decid boundari fall understand sadduce believ that torah that requir pharise ancestor modern judaism believ that torah for interpret lead understand requir moral nuanc talmud essenc thi that biblic moral interfac man and yhwh for jew christian and not necessarili yhwh that relationship can specul thing that come mind that man suppos creat imag argument that commit moral code follow part live that imag suppos live christ exampl you hard press argu that god not kind gui troubl thi that don creat imag mean heard number opinion thi and not come conclus thi upset appl cart base life script thi shaki foundat mix metaphor unashamedli live christ exampl jesu person record utter set narr follow and small refer comtemporari historian revel can christ second hand wors thi not attempt debunk christian that initi point make that bibl interpret and that interpret human guess thi faith relev come inher subject metaphys multipl moral code absolut moral code and thi theolog question absolut moral code undoubt multipl moral code multipl moral code found absolut moral code exampl parent child never swear and child assum that parent never swear simpli parent told child that wrong parent swear trooper pub bar children wrong child disobei parent parent feel that inappropri swear front children quit happi swear front anim analog not quit hold water child that type parent and parent life you gist incident young child consid direct absolut get older piaget and learn moral david religion sea fish cri swam clear
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl qjahh mr horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl pww spac rice edu pww spacsun rice edu peter walker write articl qie fkt horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer wrote object moral moral built object valu object valu come can measur mediat thair interact real world moralon scalar valuino field scienc real world basi valu not round you such thing object scienc can not object kick head simpl theori accur predict not object set tarot card you conclus don that you chang mean valu perhap time backtrack and word fair equival return for such good servic monetari materi worth worth measur us import merit principl standard qualiti consid inher worthwhil desir precis mean word assign calcul numer quantiti mu rel durat tone rest rel dark light color distinct qualiti speech speech sound context moral system definit fit term scientif usag definit six appli note that definit not mean thing mind that scienc basi valu bit reach scienc basi observ fact even usag word not denot observ fact standard measur conclud that scienc not basi valu and your statement fail fact conclud that scientif set measur valu base system deriv observ follow that scientif context such thing such thing object valu back present thi noth moral system word valu us context not mean that relationship two context argu for object valu moral sens start demonstr that moral object mean word object doubt that thi will happen back origin question and object moral you can provid object foundat for moral that will good begin frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon eric
talk.religion.misc	invis god god can and will hand and thou shalt backpart and lord spake mose face face man speaketh friend for god face face and life preserv gen god cannot man hath god time john and thou canst not face for man and live man hath can tim pick you want
talk.religion.misc	kind love merci and forgiv god articl blue ci pitt edu joslin pogo isp pitt edu david joslin write mwunix mitr org jame meritt write context miss you thi promis god that get subject you explain wrong and acknowledg public hypocrisi you jim critic person for take quot context hypocrit post respons person take quot context assert that thi your misaim telepathi work btw david josli wait for your public acknowledg your telepathi and precognit you witch appolog and retract can you wait whine pass time you back and read portion articl that you conveni delet your repli you find your answer nope onc realiz that had exampl telepathi respond jim threa threat produc jim mystifi telepathi empath telepathi capabl determin emot state jim telepathi you jim prepar precognit substanti thi your messag blue ci pitt edu
talk.religion.misc	cathol pat robertson roman cathol conserv come open line pat robertson and ultra wing christian coalit secretari educ william bennet roman cathol stood besid christian coalit spokesman ralph reed march confer washington purpos confer publish result christian coalit poll design prove that republican parti lose major support back famili valu positon convent conserv cathol swung robertson organ polit expertis legal assist and high tech commun support cathol campaign for american design cathol version moral major found marlen elwel and tom wyke elwel robertson sinc dai freedom council and work for presidenti bid elwel hire domino pizza magnat tom monaghan manag legatu nonpolit cathol businessmen group membership limit cathol head corpor million annual revenu reli network wealthi contact legatu elwel and wyke had troubl form and fund cathol campaign campaign list nation committe member includ rep robert dornan phylli schlafli eagl forum love pat buchanan and rev richard neuhau nation committe keith fournier cathol head pat robertson american center for law and justic anoth cathol thoma patrick monaghan senior counsel robertson aclj activ support cathol campaign board director includ frank shakespear broadcast exec and ambassador pope wall street execut frank lynch reagan offici richard allen bishop rene gracida corpu christi and mari ellen bork wife unsuccess suprem court nomine robert bork winter issu campaign updat organ quarterli newslett rocco martino philadelphia busi execut wrote separ church and state fals premis that final cast and replac true mean constitut organ nation ecclesisat advisor cathol politician cardin john connor york jack carrol
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl qjclt horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write recal enter frai thi matter respons assert simon clippingdal that moral rel oop quit busi that save frank last post back intend respond and sort forgot interest and even not sell don peopl bui and opinion caus opinion spread time honour memet viru mode world verit paradis folk you make sens frank dwyer not hatch that odwyer sse hen evelyn conlon cheer simon simon clippingdal simon dc warwick depart comput scienc tel univers warwick fax coventri
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl qjbn horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write you push back undefin mean you defin object valu you don object offer peopl collect for land america that sound good deal that depend want and want wouldn ekr eric rescorla ekr eitech you bui us code thi man
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl hqxj jdg cso uiuc edu li cso uiuc edu li student write hmmmm defin object moral depend you talk mean you can your hair your ear and mean stryper accept that gener principl object moral list two place ten command sai jesu depend whether you trust bibl second depend whether you jesu god and whether you accur copi gong moment and you wrote you defin object moral and you qualifi thi object moral subject justif you error thi you disqualifi plai mac eric
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl qjd nlv horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write articl qie fkt horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer wrote object moral moral built object valu you push defint object into realm object valu you explain that object sub part object atom quark firstli scienc basi valu not round you that not mean you mean perhap you explain you scienc basi valu mean reason peopl scienc that result that not mean that scienc basi valu de stop work stop valu privaci you explain object atom and subject valu ekr eric rescorla ekr eitech you bui us code thi man
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl jxw cso uiuc edu li cso uiuc edu li student write definit object absolut fix subject vari and chang let dictionari object adj materi object distinguish mental concept actual exist uninfluenc emot person prejudic base observ phenomenon eric
talk.religion.misc	kind love merci and forgiv god mwunix mitr org jame meritt write joslin pogo isp pitt edu david joslin write mwunix mitr org jame meritt write context miss you thi promis god that get subject you explain wrong and acknowledg public hypocrisi you jim critic person for take quot context hypocrit post respons person take quot context assert that thi your misaim telepathi work stephen you quot context you note that stephen had not repli articl call that quot context lack evid for not constitut evid for lack common creationist error fact that stephen not repli not justifi conclus that stephen condon take quot context you ask stephen explain you wrong and acknowledg that hypocrit choic you give stephen assum that condon take quot context assum you logic and that sentenc that begin you explain not nonsequitur intend follow sentenc that preced conclud that you believ that impli that stephen condon take quot context that not impli thi you incorrect that impli that stephen thought quot context and make error kind that frequent made creationist that jim call argument you disagre explain argument not sound admit that assumpt bit hasti you agre yup yup jim mail respons point post articl that argument straw man argument reminisc frequent creationist ploi
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di articl apr organpip uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli wrote truth that not sort magic spell truth that you not understand and enjoi not understand curiou thi statement understand christian believ that peopl don understand christian doctrin enjoi thi state come background heavi christian teach lutheran church and knowledg basic understand christian time not proud thing don understand thi point time ignor not bliss cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	clarif person posit articl muiw aqc mailer fsu edu dlecoint garnet acn fsu edu dariu lecoint wrote will repeat posit worship sundai never sin child attend servic saturdai and sundai sda church and pentecost church across street even baptist church week worship god dai and christian even can prove that christian meet sundai and can can never prove that violat sabbath not sin longer can prove that violat sundai sin cannot us sabbath command for that purpos onlin bibl don rom system for time can search for famou cite jesu explicitli state that didn want break exist jewish law word technic speak christian us saturdai and not sundai holi dai want conform teach jesu cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	scientolog inform scientolog applientolog frank zappa call time send info ron and asic scientolog appreci not int rest propaganda liberti pass your name and address your local org scientolog offic contact you dai threw small contribut you
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl ursa bear halat pooh bear jim halat write atom not object aren even real scientist call atom noth mathemat model that describ physic observ properti surround subject jim halat thi deserv frame atom aren even real atom electron microscop atom figment imagin evid that atom real overwhelm won bother evid moment mccullou whippl wisc edu never program and drink beer time doesn work
talk.religion.misc	rosicrucian order kent you that compet rosicrucian order exist todai spin off oto and compet organ centuri franc germani write articl don thi spent time investig organ and conceptu world view system name compet rosicrucian order spent time you spin off opposit case studi harder toni
talk.religion.misc	ld rick repli robert weiss psyrobtw ubvmsb buffalo edu write rick anderson repli letter articl elp acsu buffalo edu psyrobtw ubvmsb buffalo edu robert weiss briefli that you mention pass you refer differ interpret creat and that christian not agre that irrelev not base faith peopl anoth bottom line truth popular opinion irrelev you and your person belief bia relev and you bottom line truth independ you sinc you proclaim truth proclaim appointe you author you thi bibl bibl you interpret whether scriptur doctrin conform your like disapprov excus moi your line truth haven move bit persuad that belief erron preacher truth thi net you struck righteou member wreck crew posit messag dai saint whatsoev btw thi entir discuss remind lot thing jesu pharise hypocrit preach your lip your heart remov find strang that persuad that creat and etern exist equival you grant mormon belief you can grant your conclus and expect point address order repli issu you address and answer point that rais and not jump conclus that you grant sophistri talk jump conclus you wouldn that you address your convict whether come biblic scriptur support point view you reject such interpret consider whatsoev bibl state that lucif creat bibl state that jesu creator contradict that that ld belief that jesu and lucif beauti exampl disinform and deliber misrepresent ld doctrin kgb love emploi you jesu and lucif not silli and you mormon belief that children god liter noth symbol thi contradict bibl bibl teach that not child god correct contradict you bibl bibl teach that not children god sens that belong follow god footstep satan and follow rebel god and not children follow redeem god doesn mean that not onc creat god chose separ chose follow god and plan salvat field world good seed children kingdom tare children wick matthew thi illustr nice children kingdom remain valiant testimoni jesu and shown work repent etc and children wick rebel god and lamb issu satan spirit offspr and not address thi and vers you copi your bibl you purposefulli obscur subject swamp your relat scriptur lot nice scriptur delet not robert copyright told that and thi life etern that thee true god and jesu christ thou hast john life etern true god doctrin ld that mention portrai vastli jesu jesu that cannot reconcil jesu bibl remov each that proclaim correct jesu your jesu and can reconcil jesu bibl not your interpret concur honestli couldn care true deni true bibl etern life depend know true god and not construct imagin thi singl post construct imagin pro ld mail combin read thi new group your ld fact straight you dare preach true god you interpret your like and dislik imag cannot reconcil guess your grandios imag not for faith believ divin jesu christ fashion your not that matter mission and progress ld church will boldli and nobli and mob oppon can stop work progress visit contin swept clime and sound ear thi red her doesn address issu rais seek obfusc fact that group read into bibl doesn chang bibl teach sigh bibl teach bibl teach robert weiss and respect reject remotest feel that reject jesu contrari and respect your interpret bibl even grant you christian your imag christian imag heart repli hop scotch issu bruce mcconki and whether view offici doctrin don that matter mcconki view canon that not issu mcconki write indic mormon belief thi subject real issu indic rick that issu that you love us mi repres ridicul ld church issu offici doctrin import mcconki view controversi deadli heresi made heret erron worst black not receiv priesthood thi dispens respect made valuabl contribut church person not reli person interpret book mormon doctrin oftentim refer mcconki bibl mormon circl mormon doctrin offici doctrin sourc and hugh niblei book last comment ld insid refer summar mcconki wise man contribut undoubtedli kingdom god view mean dogma accept doctrin belong person interpret and specul thi find mcconki even bias and specul moment thought provok trash come your proverbi pen somewhat appal that allow sink low you thi post robert weiss psyrobtw ubvm buffalo edu casper kni isscck byuvm bitnet brigham young univers isscck byu edu uc comput facil
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl apr asl nec duffi aslss asl nec joseph duffi write falsifi origin theori for exampl forev exist univers abiogenesi strictli falsifi that theori proven fals you examin predicit that theori make and observ you don you observ thing that theori predict wouldn happen you evid theori theori can modifi incorpor observ you that fals for exampl peopl us that earth had creat year ago evid show that predict thi theori not true abandon russ paul jone russpj microsoft
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral oxymoron forgach noao edu suzann forgach write articl qcq fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei western ethic infanticid children dy world major world isn western superfici good answer isn that simpl aw lot starvat and poverti world directli caus econom polici western countri diet typic western for instanc world countri terribl malnutrit problem export soya can produc that can fed cattl make tender juici steak and burger thi monei pai interest crippl bank loan encourag fund rais for ethiopia bizarr idea stop bleed for penni perhap accur that western ethic western infanticid evid suggest that long children dy world couldn give shit and that for suppos pro life movement save live fight world debt will fight abort hell interest fetus save fight for human right china and suzann answer impli that western countri lack thi ethic infanticid apart china polici mandatori forc abort tibet don thi case mathew
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral frank frank dwyer write articl fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write and thi object moral and children person plai object moral doesn exist show game you can plai thi and thi object medicin and thi object physic and thi object realiti precis object medicin peopl marvel result altern therapi respond tradit medicin object physic einstein and bohr told that object realiti lsd suffici prove that wonder peopl such question understand term object fiction abstract ideal can strive ideal ga light inextens string doesn exist can talk thing and not wrong mathew
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral frank frank dwyer write christian theist object moral prefer relativist soup gobbledegook two approach can you thi object moral assum not secret you you wrong relativ that can correct your misconcept mathew
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral frank frank dwyer write not christian suspect that flavour christian hold that object moral exist and interpret scriptur revel goodli glimps that disagre noth truth falsehood gener claim that interpret scriptur revel thi object moral that two conflict version thi object moral tell fake object moral exist logic step deduc that religion object moral fake caveat emptor mathew atheism anti viru softwar for mind
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl apr scic intel sbradlei scic intel seth bradlei write ifon simpli god that not falsifi god admit that didn cheat hillari john law local gop reprehensit extol tradit famili valu
talk.religion.misc	ld rick repli robert weiss psyrobtw ubvmsb buffalo edu write rick anderson repli letter articl elp acsu buffalo edu psyrobtw ubvmsb buffalo edu robert weiss briefli that you mention pass you refer differ interpret creat and that christian not agre that irrelev not base faith peopl anoth bottom line truth popular opinion irrelev you and your person belief bia relev and you bottom line truth independ you sinc you proclaim truth proclaim appointe you author you thi bibl bibl you interpret whether scriptur doctrin conform your like disapprov excus moi your line truth haven move bit persuad that belief erron preacher truth thi net you struck righteou member wreck crew posit messag dai saint btw thi entir discuss remind lot thing jesu pharise hypocrit preach your lip your heart remov find strang that persuad that creat and etern exist equival you grant mormon belief you can grant your conclus and expect point address order repli issu you address and answer point that rais and not jump conclus that you grant sophistri talk jump conclus you wouldn that you address your convict whether come biblic scriptur support point view you reject such interpret consider whatsoev bibl state that lucif creat bibl state that jesu creator contradict that that ld belief that jesu and lucif beauti exampl disinform and deliber misrepresent ld doctrin kgb love emploi you jesu and lucif not silli and you mormon belief that children god liter noth symbol thi contradict bibl bibl teach that not child god correct contradict you bibl bibl teach that not children god sens that belong follow god footstep satan and follow rebel god and not children follow redeem god doesn mean that not onc creat god chose separ chose follow god and plan salvat field world good seed children kingdom tare children wick matthew thi illustr nice children kingdom remain valiant testimoni jesu and shown work repent etc and children wick rebel god and lamb issu satan spirit origin and not address thi and vers you copi your bibl you purposefulli obscur subject swamp your relat scriptur lot nice scriptur delet not robert copyright told that and thi life etern that thee true god and jesu christ thou hast john life etern true god doctrin ld that mention portrai vastli jesu jesu that cannot reconcil jesu bibl remov each that proclaim correct jesu your jesu and can reconcil jesu bibl not your interpret concur honestli couldn care true deni true bibl etern life depend know true god and not construct imagin thi singl post construct imagin pro ld mail combin read thi new group your ld fact straight you dare preach true god you interpret your like and dislik imag cannot reconcil guess your grandios imag not for faith believ divin jesu christ fashion your not that matter mission and progress ld church will boldli and nobli and mob oppon can stop work progress visit contin swept clime and sound ear thi red her doesn address issu rais seek obfusc fact that group read into bibl doesn chang bibl teach sigh bibl teach bibl teach robert weiss and respect reject remotest feel that reject jesu contrari and respect your interpret bibl even grant you christian your imag christian imag heart repli hop scotch issu bruce mcconki and whether view offici doctrin don that matter mcconki view canon that not issu mcconki write indic mormon belief thi subject real issu indic rick that issu that you love us mi repres ridicul ld church issu offici doctrin import mcconki view controversi deadli heresi made heret erron worst black not receiv priesthood thi dispens respect made valuabl contribut church person not reli person interpret book mormon doctrin oftentim refer mcconki bibl mormon circl mormon doctrin offici doctrin sourc and hugh niblei book last comment ld insid refer summar mcconki wise man contribut undoubtedli kingdom god view mean dogma accept doctrin belong person interpret and specul thi find mcconki even bias and specul moment thought provok trash come your proverbi pen somewhat appal that allow sink low you thi post robert weiss psyrobtw ubvm buffalo edu casper kni isscck byuvm bitnet brigham young univers isscck byu edu uc comput facil
talk.religion.misc	kind and love god not articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write articl apr royalroad mlee post royalroad malcolm lee wrote thi bring anoth question ponder anti semit peopl hate jew don hate jew sinner don don care ethnic right and wrong evid that christian jew longer sole select group god peopl jew thi case christian anti semit come obviou fact that jew hebrew scriptur not convert christian mass reject christian love thi caus anti semit even that christian didn thi separ anti semit even start don not rest tribal peopl happen tribe america cultur and undesir west fail melt pot concept tribe hunt extinct hebrew tribe surviv neolith becom difficult time separ christian western experi perhap you perhap world cultur experi christian never happen
talk.religion.misc	flame nazi articl apr new brandei edu dean binah brandei edu write bite leav thi alon heck articl apr sun urz uni heidelberg gsmith lauren iwr uni heidelberg gene smith write articl brewich hou popec brewich hou pope charl write rhoemer name gui respons for uniform and prop us earli nazi ralli and such name roehm not rhoemer and hitler claim that swastika busi didn credit actual flag design parti member dentist such credit mein kampf kill earli nazi purg and associ flame homosexu for flamboy orgi find actual evid for thi common assert recent post such group soc histori and soc cultur german not uncov net expert provid expert histori nazi germani assert thi make refer scandal that occur long night long knive impress that that homosexu portion common knowledg book homosexu author name escap moment call homosexu histori assert that roehm and hein homosexu roehm circl rest delet can find night brown shirt kcochran nyx edu tsakc thought post idea respons beer pizza
talk.religion.misc	christian law clarif person posit articl muiw aqc mailer fsu edu dlecoint garnet acn fsu edu dariu lecoint write good stuff delet you can worship dai week issu not whether christian fault for church sundai for not church saturdai attend church servic not mean you recogn holi that dai apolog paul hudson question author proclaim that requir fourth command longer relev modern christian note that command not command you church holi lord refrain serv give you pleasur and satisfact hear christian answer thi question paraphras author christian proclaim that law and prophet major and minor and not account ten command jesu spoke opinion matthew sourc thi pseudo doctrin pseudo teacher great deceiv
talk.religion.misc	real probabl abiogenesi albert sabin tiinnhi ctron new ctron king ctron john king write adpet sunflow bio indiana edu andi peter write not talk protein fact shouldn talk protein sinc thi goint upset claim that protein appear novo protein not form randomli repond andi clarifi you state that protein not form randomli that point not andi you had familiar current theori hypothes abiogenesi post you awar fact that claim that protein assembl randomli amino acid current think that rna base replic proteinac enzym and that protein assembl kind primit translat machineri respond corneliu corneliu krasel depart physiolog chemistri tuebingen email krasel studserv zdv uni tuebingen peopl dna make dna dawkin anonym
talk.religion.misc	invis god articl apr math tcd pmolonei math tcd paul molonei write jmeritt mental mitr org jim meritt system admin write god can and will hand and thou shalt backpart wot god mooner such lunaci gee thi christian thing god john belushi anim hous supernatur person relationship you jhvh come quick
talk.religion.misc	ignor bliss good that jesu di articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write ignor not bliss ignor strength spread truth ignor
talk.religion.misc	christian law clarif person posit articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write onlin bibl don rom system for time can search for famou cite jesu explicitli state that didn want break exist jewish law word technic speak christian us saturdai and not sundai holi dai want conform teach jesu christian want conform teach jesu you light world citi can hidden ly mountaintop peopl light candl and cover big basket put tall candlestick can shine for hous that your light shine front world that peopl your good deed and give credit your father ski don dissolv law torah aka book prophet major minor didn come dissolv fulfil assur you till sky and earth not letter punctuat mark law will everth come pass dissolv even smallest command and teach will lowest kingdom ski command and teach will great kingdom ski matt gau isbn
talk.religion.misc	bad press islam reciev recent read articl local paper written islam person upset islam portrai western media terrorist action take place middl east plai islam terrorist serbian terrorist attack croation not christian terrorist terrorist explain thi close friend press that islam ti violenc time you hear thing don human life and wonder had suggest for can chang thi imag can friend that thi hype suggest comment mail and not interest hear press scott vann buddha iastat edu
talk.religion.misc	spread christian christian extremist kill doctor nyiko math scarolina edu peter nyiko write address kei issu thi long line post dean kaflowitz two post yesterdai made into titl post thread dean kaflowitz termin ironi impair and second appear thread chanei post and challeng reissu and revis you insecur peopl read your post that you feel write post announc you wrote post bother accept phonei you laughingstock
talk.religion.misc	rosicrucian order articl qppef usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu toni alicea write name compet rosicrucian order spent time you spin off opposit case can assum thi statement that you unequivoc that amorc not spin oto and that fact oto spin amorc quit interest hear evid you support thi claim studi harder studi smarter not harder for real total war becom inform war fought max delysid alamut netcom alamutbb
talk.religion.misc	swastika hitler pagan christian observ that tree life rotat clockwis northern hemispher and counterclockwis southern doesn give consider feebl corioli forc compar phototrop veget like explan classic that clockwis swastika sun wheel sun progress across sky that that not histor happen clock made imit imag sun move heaven valid talk clock sunwis engin listen not uncertainti whether anti swastika counter sunwis that repres evil sun twin opposit moonwheel us anti sun repres evil human strongli visual orient not settl that diccon frankborn dickenei access digex
talk.religion.misc	swastika hitler pagan christian red wwhite and black color imperi german war flag back xviii prussian drink song celebr red white and black color fletcher pratt point blood and iron diccon frankborn
talk.religion.misc	flame nazi troubl find truth that roehm and buddi accus flame faggot pretext for night long knive roehm and wing nsdap purg sinc accus thereaft control record bear subject true not consid taint evid data suggest that roehm and crowd sturmabteilung storm trooper left world place depart concret particular shrewd guess diccon frankborn
talk.religion.misc	oto ancient order orient templar thou wilt law honestli word sin restrict kid you man word encompass majest vision thousand individu quot man not quot order context word can interpret differ had appli confin origin express thi case hymenaeu beta frater superior order belong includ that bit merlinu servic show extrem order member fervor knowledg reuss background sure unusu man and import forc order for year peopl chang order chang and back carefulli dirti laundri rememb that thi surfac skim and that perspect encompass extend individu hope show that and room for differ opinion order perhap test limit examin thi issu bit close karl kellner wealthi austrian industrialist and paper chemist high grade mason found ordo templi orienti kellner had travel wide east met adept instruct specif magic practic kellner effort develop order assist franz hartmann heinrich klein and theodor reuss had work togeth prior join order proclaim reuss mason public oriflamm kellner death reuss succeed outer head jubile edit oriflamm publish announc that order taught secret sexual magic theodor reuss interest charact born june augsburg enter masonri singer journalist and possibl spy for prussian polit polic infiltr socialist leagu found karl marx daughter and husband reuss associ william wynn westcott leader golden dawn introduc john yarker yarker charter reuss found rite memphi and mizraim germani attempt concret mason rite reuss settl develop order experienc steadi growth reuss leadership for exampl charter papu franc rudolph steiner berlin and spencer lewi usa histor meet reuss and crowlei occur crowlei wrote that reuss and accus reveal order secret crowlei look afresh initi interpret sexual magick unfold for time reuss appoint crowlei suprem and holi king english speak world and thi author that invok publish materi equinox reuss resign outer head order suffer stroke and name crowlei successor book law translat into german break continu order manyk member split book crowlei activ promulg order had earlier revis dthe order ritual reuss request deepli infus doctrin aeon revel introduct histori veritatem equinox iii edit hymenaeu beta frater superior rex summu sanctissimu caliph unit state america publish samuel weiser reason that frater superior includ thi materi equinox iii and thi real point not publish such thing histori organ repres dogmat threat principl thelema exercis true will and put complex pictur easi answer pictur leav room for interpret quit easi for for exampl that deriv dribbl falter masonri purchas clever huckster ounc courag and write abil aid and can that present caliph feebl support law thelema laughabl thrown order for speak thi will not frater will perspect interject exampl illustr show that express thing context larger work and true signific thi quit difficult apprehend oto and merlinu carefulli not support reuss word not qualifi assess and critic pompos member order such stand and allow continu can thi health order mean that order soft and abandon moral principl mean that strong abil will univers kinship aris not shackl dogmat requir resolv two possibl find high calibr individu associ ordo templi orienti quit intellig and sometim vers arcan usual inform quit artist and genius met longstand member bai area heavili involv order can vouch for integr organ stand sometim question polici hymenaeu beta moment intuit and found stop request second initi bodi happili particip social group feast initi and come gnostic mass for tast thi doesn make author order polit and explan can hypothes and relai you understand base limit contact member urg you not word merlinu wai interpret word and peopl becom involv order feel strongli sanctiti person freedom and preserv individu vision comment thi issu and will write respons post thi thread invok star love law love will frater nigri dclxvi cccxxxiii
talk.religion.misc	albert sabin articl apr rambo atlanta wpr atlanta bill rawlin write articl ftjt sunfish usd edu rfox charli usd edu rich fox univ south dakota write articl apr rambo atlanta wpr atlanta bill rawlin write earlier dialogu delet perhap you read and stop advanc bibl evid relat question scienc jesu exist well great fallaci your statement question origin base scienc alon nope fallaci yep scienc determin religion handl and problem that scientist exclud possibl supernatur question origin thi fair premis not not premis conclus second that scientist for part exlud possibl not problem necess scientist empircist not theologian utterli reject hypothesi that scienc highest form truth scientist and long you you deep and fundament misunderstand scienc you met man walk water rais peopl dead claim son god and refer inviol scriptur thi affect your belief origin man can expand thi nope wouldn affect knowledg not belief origin anatom modern human that man show chang even biblic stori exact detail world your father endow intellect and reason and proce fool mean bibl noth human creatur that exist call human creatur ap human fancifulli reconstruct fragment absolut and utterli fals for amh luci australopithecu afarensi mya complet and take into consider bilater symmetri luci walk upright and biped human and two share remark similar dental pattern cranial morpholog unlik human modern ap hundr specimen thi and speci partial reconstruct exist bill you can touch feel hold forget hominid earth univers cultur record and test ancient not reconstruct god trick won bill doubt will meet man thi bill your version thi absolut correct worri salvat probabi make don steal murder covet etc and peopl us reason and intellect your god provid benevol and love will understand dilemma don you good deed not justifi person god sight aton jesu need aton for sin you and fundamentalist billion don bewar peopl truth bill and reconsid each time you you scienc and bibl not contradict god can superced scientif law man understand creation good exampl god power creat noth order chao haven long feel bill that veteran will agre you contradiciton and god can will beef properli point god creator agre that not your point bill your point god power scientist gener agre that that cry god attempt understand your post titl book you mention substanc book real laugher jesu exist and volum evid back can give you interest not laugher bill scholarli book that happen disagre and interest confirm bibl infer therefrom propheci apocrypha koran and interest independ evid you josephu thi almost insert roman document plini deal earli christian you independ evid interest email post and regard send you info mail regard bill your info and repli dai ago hope you your post appear server todai rich fox anthro usouthdakota
talk.religion.misc	kind and love god articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write stephen wrote sandvik newton appl kent sandvik quot rememb law written for time and appli god chosen peopl jesu chang that live ag grace sin longer immedi punish death repent and salvat lord jesu christ and not for chosen peopl salvat jew and gentil alik jew won agre you malcolm jew religi jew except messian and atheist agnost malcolm you want malcolm respons last inter jection distinguish religi jew you except messian for obviou reason specif you religi jew trace lineag back abraham blood and orthodoxi faith won agre orthodox jew understand your direct issu remain unproven suspect atheist and agnost reason atheist reason conclud will not agre for agnost poll order not atheist can count for orthodox follow mose abraham david accept god word coven adher import god promisimg reckon for depend ongo dialogu consider you understand prematur assert will and won agre stephen
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral oxymoron articl rusnew manti mathew manti mathew write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write not greatest salesman world that jesu wasn bob dobb bob dobb numero uno top dog not can touch not can knock bob box bob kill mon everydai close segundo sublimin infam paul birthnam saul evangelin famou result numer trampolin act tour eastern mediterranean jesu hand dupe pawn con fell prai holywood paradox ain noth sign hill afro asian jesu found earth pink and that death con chang into tall blond holywood sun god and mean that kindest possum jesu gig hendrix joplin morrison lennon marlei tosh etc ska beat jah
talk.religion.misc	albert sabin articl apr rambo atlanta wpr atlanta bill rawlin write highli bias account possibl intern inconsist written mellenia ago dead languag fanat devote creatur question not support object sourc and isnt even accept messiah thi creatur suppos doesn convinc slightest current dai devote brainwash into believ thi pile guano sinc you refer messiah assum you refer testament detail your complaint mail you don want post centuri greek and understood you consid josephu jewish historian wrote jesu addit gospel account harmoni bill time explain that biblic scholar josephu refer earli christian insert biblic scholar mean expert research will chip fall thi exclud literalist defin biblic apologist find want find not trustworthi scholarli standard and insert read number time passag glaringli context and josephu superb writer had such problem work passag noth subject matter li suddenli appear and quickli disappear you can demonstr and scholarli commun wrong josephu insert your proof meaningless and not repeat even josephu happen legitim prove noth scholar speak weight evid independ evid requir valid your claim forthcom your belief base faith that you exce your right you pass faith fact for gospel parallel glare inconsist and contradict shouldn perfect canon perfect shouldn absolut room for debat suggest you read gospel fiction randel helm and unauthor version robin fox for herb huston kinship famili relationship share evolutionari ancestri fact that inconsist gap and contradict not deni your posit hand gospel prove your faith independ evid and discuss and you not provid faith you commit fundament error logic you attempt prove your claim that you want prove your logic full circl remind bit presbyterian gener assembl assembl defin fundament thi fundamentalist orthodox protest christian wit jesu perform miracl jesu born virgin jesu bodili resurrect jesu crucifixion aton for human sin and clincher bibl inerr word god presbyterian constru inerr broadli spritual inerr fundamentalist liter true and valid liter inerr bibl contain and thing smoke and mirror and wand and hand wave faith bill you don truth work for you don foist regard rich fox anthro usouthdakota
talk.religion.misc	ignor bliss good that jesu di articl quack kfu pharvei quack kfu paul harvei wrote articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write ignor not bliss ignor strength spread truth ignor huh ignor strength won distribut thi piec inform want follow your advic contradict cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl qme kyle eitech ekr kyle eitech eric rescorla write articl horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl qktj squick eitech ekr squick eitech eric rescorla write articl qkn horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write de work whether privaci not de abstract function de that stop work import sens care for import truth mathemat mean inform etc de chip de that stop work import sens valu scienc object realiti etc de not work vacuum noth thi truth blatant assert your import sens weasel word imagin that box accept byte and ecb second perfect job dese whether not input made time whether not valu mathemat result acknowledg correct meaning sens can chip work fliboz exist fliboz mean extrem complex configur physic phenomena absolut care slightest exist eric get back question whether de chip work doesn work mean achiev desir expect effect note intention subtli underli that definit even definit expect desir can you deni that conform expect sort scientif valu accuraci predict and reproduc result phenomenologist husserl for consid intention primari ontolog stuff ontolog built percept conscious thought etc frank mean alon intention valu put underli human experi even call object experi such measur natur world output your de chip kevin
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl apr mnemosyn edu kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write followup set talk abort articl fuo new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write read thi thread wrong thi anoth bemoan fact that christian code object moral defin thi object moral you state theori creation search for irrelev issu mire pro lifer slimi tactic kevin
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl qlvh horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl qkn fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write you mean moral us forc advoc us forc proviso minimum forc for start and depend forc side you mean that sometim us forc such peopl necess defenc recogn that action not moral opinion that action moral and immor not act action and effect caveat and provisio note usag opinion admiss that don lock moral not that truth moral lock you admit lot that you admit that your moral situat you admit that action peopl and situat you determin you judg moral signific your action you emploi degre forc that not moral you emploi degre forc previous emploi degre forc and situat and that moral thi quit emploi forc peopl immor period time time oblig thi immor thing for reason preserv and bear moral consequ that for worth and you claim agnost thi abil label thing immor moral that find attract qualiti religi mind jon
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl qkndq fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write articl qjbn horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan write you push back undefin mean you defin object valu you don object offer peopl collect for land america that sound good deal you mean that you can find ridicul price rest suppos conclud that object correct price exist noth price ask deal good isn complet sequitur that come derisori deal exist object valu you ask accept that deal you offer turn and that not appeal object valu becasu peopl peopl exhibit subject valu that lead reject deal for land america great jon
talk.religion.misc	bad press islam reciev articl buddha iastat edu buddha iastat edu scott vann write recent read articl local paper written islam person upset islam portrai western media terrorist action take place middl east plai islam terrorist serbian terrorist attack croation not christian terrorist terrorist explain thi close friend press that islam ti violenc time you hear thing don human life and wonder had suggest for can chang thi imag can friend that thi hype suggest comment mail and not interest hear press easili show pictur crime scene perpetr christian terrorist thi countri that doesn convinc talk victim christian terror brutal act terror inspir christian propoganda recent commit your campu simpl religi extremist religion put human life christian and islam fundamentalist put advanc religion even violat religion not christian terrorist christian terrorist media islam terrorist join pythagorean reform church repent your evil irrat number and bean eat wai accept into your heart call pythagorean reform church bb
talk.religion.misc	rosicrucian order kent due respect can you you name wrong place san jose ordo rosa cruci such thing correct name ancient mystic order rosa cruci abbrevi amorc and rocicrusian order creat max heindel such thing rosicrucian fellowship and state that not pretend descend order fama fraternitati addit splinter group europ that claim connect origin group supposedli found middl ag lectorium and freemason group rosicrucian separ group even ideolog group common not rosicrucian order mason studi group claim descend origin order compet time spent thi start part orc for year kent orc you mean amorc you didn even learn correct name toni
talk.religion.misc	rosicrucian order alamut netcom max delysid write articl qppef usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu toni name compet rosicrucian order spent time you spin off opposit case can assum thi statement that you unequivoc that amorc not spin oto and that fact oto spin amorc quit interest hear evid you support thi claim fair amount evid float that that oto sinc late long crowlei heard long amorc that claim exist organ clear into prehistori doubt that organiz paperwork profit that can carbon date lizard lizard internet address alizard tweekco boo pacbel prefer pacbel boo tweekco alizard bang path for alizard gentoo backup pgp public kei request
talk.religion.misc	rosicrucian order previou articl alamut netcom max delysid can assum thi statement that you unequivoc that amorc not spin oto absolut lewi didn care for charter reuss had mind complet difer crowlei and lewi person you and that fact oto spin amorc overstat studi harder studi smarter not harder
talk.religion.misc	rosicrucian order subject compet order point golden dawn outer order that tradit order rosea rubea aura cruci that rubi rose and gold cross rough translat rosicrucian order deriv group real rosicrucian never admit rosicrucian enjoi journei anarthur queer peculiar and wyrd close mind don want jjobermark
talk.religion.misc	rosicrucian order previou articl mrcnext cso uiuc edu davi how subject compet order point golden dawn outer order that tradit order rosea rubea aura cruci wonder you mean lectorium rosicrucianum warn point argu legit and not golden dawn you talk for sake argument reflect affili that true rosicrucian order fraternita rosa cruci quakertown penn taker fratern toni
talk.religion.misc	treatis miracl muhammad part introduct muhammad will cover thi treatis muhammad peac and bless allah last prophet islam prophet reveal last holi scriptur qur allah swa prais arch angel gabriel seal prophet till dai judgement state qur allah swa prais muhammad live prophethood claim muhammad treason islam qur messag allah swa muhammad seed ishmael anoth messeng allah and son abraham messeng allah messeng that previou holi scriptur foretold come mention vers qur chapter vers rough translat follow muhammad not father your men messeng allah and seal prophet and allah full knowledg thing commentari vers document seal complet and can addit holi prophet muhammad close long line messeng allah teach and will continu and will prophet muhammad ag will want thinker and reviv not prophet thi not arbitrari matter decre full knowledg and wisdom for allah full knowledg thing droplet vol part vast ocean miracul qur translat arab and turkish write bediuzzaman nursi risal noor vol part nineteenth letter jizat ahmediy risalesi treatis miracl muham continu droplet vol part second sign nobl messeng declar prophethood and present human decre gloriou qur and manifest miracl number scholar thousand occurr miracl entireti fact that declar prophet fact shown word obstin unbeliev quot place wise even not deni occurr miracl call hasha kella allah forbid sorceri order satisfi deceiv follow miracl muhammad certainti confirm consensu ulema scholar islam hundreth degre miracl conform creator univers declar prophethood effect word you spoken truth suppos that you assembl ruler observ true ruler appoint such and such posit time you ask prove your claim word utter ruler suffici support you ruler chang usual practic and attitud your request thi confirm your claim even soundli and word allah nobl messeng claim envoi creator thi univers proof that will chang unbroken order request and prayer finger make run fountain spigot moon gestur finger split two that tree affirm and bear wit move and come thi food bare for two men satisfi two hundr show hundr similar miracl evid verac thi high and proof prophethood not restrict miracl deed and act word and behavior moral conduct and manner charact and appear prove attent truth and serious peopl such abdullah salam famou scholar children israel belief and lie can hide thi face can fraud found research conclud that proof prophethood muhammad and miracl number thousand thousand perhap hundr thousand proof prophethood and hundr thousand truth seek men muhakkikiin vari opinion affirm prophethood equal number wai wise alon demonstr thousand proof prophethood addit forti aspect miracul sinc prophethood phenomenon human and hundr thousand individu claim prophethood and perform miracl live and pass prophethood muhammad certan superior that prophethood for evid qualiti and attribut mean prophethood and messengership messeng such jesu and mose own perfect and comprehens fashion muhammad and sinc and mean prophet author exist perfectli person muhammad thi author found certan prophet continu allah will irfan alan servant islam
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral kevin rotag org kevin darci write articl apr mnemosyn edu kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write followup set talk abort articl fuo new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write read thi thread wrong thi anoth bemoan fact that christian code object moral defin thi object moral you state theori creation search for irrelev issu mire pro lifer slimi tactic kevin you crosspost talk origin you expect michael agnei you paranoid doesn mean not you magnei cco caltech edu
talk.religion.misc	albert sabin articl sunfish usd edu rfox charli usd edu write articl apr rambo atlanta wpr atlanta bill rawlin write highli bias account possibl intern inconsist written mellenia ago dead languag fanat devote creatur question not support object sourc and isnt even accept messiah thi creatur suppos doesn convinc slightest current dai devote brainwash into believ thi pile guano sinc you refer messiah assum you refer testament detail your complaint mail you don want post centuri greek and understood you consid josephu jewish historian wrote jesu addit gospel account harmoni bill time explain that biblic scholar josephu refer earli christian insert biblic scholar mean expert research will chip fall thi exclud literalist defin biblic apologist find want find not trustworthi scholarli standard and insert read number time passag glaringli context and josephu superb writer had such problem work passag noth subject matter li suddenli appear and quickli disappear thi weak argument fact two refer jesu antiqu jew unquestion alter christian origen wrote centuri that josephu not recogn jesu messiah long passag opposit arab manuscript antiqu jew contain version passag gung for jesu and authent question that origen centuri refer jesu josephu manuscript antiqu lack refer that fabric cloth and insert don like consensu scholarli commun that thi case well take thi posit that take small minor view that jesu never exist and professor german not biblic histori testament directli relev histor jesu jim lippard lippard ccit arizona edu dept philosophi lippard arizvm bitnet univers arizona tucson
talk.religion.misc	rosicrucian order cleveland freenet edu toni alicea write previou articl mrcnext cso uiuc edu davi how subject compet order point golden dawn outer order that tradit order rosea rubea aura cruci wonder you mean lectorium rosicrucianum warn point argu legit and not golden dawn you talk don mean that for complet golden dawn system magic sourc regardi ly pull name origin order ritual multipl modern group part comment spin off for sake argument reflect affili that true rosicrucian order fraternita rosa cruci quakertown penn member religi societi friend membership urbana champaign friend meet find that amusingli iron taker not don want belong run claim true find that disgust enjoi journei anarthur queer peculiar and wyrd close mind don want jjobermark
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral judi wam umd edu jai stein object subject write question effect differ object valu exist and disagr and valu subject don mean that aspect realiti contain object valu second mean that valu refer prefer individu case that futur discoveri invalid view object valu ron hous usq hous helio usq edu toowoomba australia
talk.religion.misc	flame nazi articl qsami access digex net dickenei access digex dick enei write troubl find truth that roehm and buddi accus flame faggot pretext for night long knive roehm and wing nsdap purg stop hold you problem offici histori that accus homosexu nazi parti long nazi power thi object red her even establish histori wrong thi point histori read made mention hitler homosexu pretext for purg roehm point reiter that hitler and parti cover accus you accus offici histori fabric you your fact pretext for purg roehm that plan us coup hitler mention alleg homosexu pretext for purg justif that histori read not mention thi doubt hitler interest admit world that hand man homosexu that miss refer nazi make us charg homosexu night long knive thi not prove that fals even nazi truth advantag case thi not deal accus homosexu sinc accus thereaft control record bear subject true not consid taint evid forgot thi post alt conspiraci can smell paranoia sinc nazi never offici charg roehm homosexu not read taint evid you talk sinc accus made person nazi parti long power and accus common knowledg journalist and germani and for nazi back time and plant taint evid exactli doctor newspap circul world discrep obviou actual incid nazi doctor evid thi matter you and testimoni peopl involv matter not nazi and point make fals accus homosexu you not public sinc point discredit establish histori burden proof fall revisionist revisionist had homework make accus simpli conspiraci nut data suggest that roehm and crowd sturmabteilung storm trooper left world place depart thi thing agre suspect that notion that bad peopl roehm and buddi homosexu disturb peopl feel that nasti individu accus homosexu that thi attempt bash homosexu thi fear justifi li thi distrust offici histori thi not good justif for trash accept account thi subject you that historian incompet don you write and sourc thi subject you can footnot graduat student histori write professor and track sourc hat time limit and thi not specialti and you that cast shred doubt exist evid not wast time debunk paranoia research concret particular shrewd guess diccon frankborn that you evid taint earth constitut concret particular and sinc concret particular consid shrewd guess suggest that not trust popular historian irv historian write for popular audienc not rule provid copiou footnot read academ historian provid footnot sourc immmens detail thi place start assum that truth bet folk alt pagan tire thi subject apolog bit tangent forget god respons for keep string newsgroup subject boundari david matthew dean dean binah brandei edu etern mood bleak wind god speak softli dai hereaft ezra pound
talk.religion.misc	clarif person posit jesu and law sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write onlin bibl don rom system for time can search for famou cite jesu explicitli state that didn want break exist jewish law word technic speak christian us saturdai and not sundai holi dai want conform teach jesu passag you for matthew not that come abolish law and prophet come not abolish fulfil matthew for you till heaven and earth pass not iota not dot will pass law accomplish matthew relax command and teach men call kingdom heaven and teach call great kingdom heaven matthew for you your righteous exce that scribe and pharise you will never enter kingdom heaven problem thi that law regard jew time and bind jew not gentil rule that bind human be call noachic law quit minim issu that church had face jesu death gentil want follow christ decis not impos law didn that law abolish simpli acknowledg that fact that didn appli gentil thi simpl answer can agre discuss issu term record act involv order full pictur role law come grip paul appar reject law and that relat jesu commend law read paul that law serv purpos that sens superced thi issu isn abolit law middl discuss paul note that understood thi and assur that that not intend see law primarili present convict peopl sin ultim imposs standard and that superced christ paul comment not world clearest and not agre read interest thing notic that even thi radic posit not entail abolit law remain uncompromis standard not iota dot remov for purpos convict sin import that not relax for christian not end ultim live faith not law theoret categori us end jesu and paul come similar conclus quot passag mat context rest sermon mount jesu show interpret law not iota dot suggest liter read fact that not jesu approach jesu interpret emphas intent law and stai ceremoni detail for take free attitud sabbath and kosher law scholar claim that mat context cent jewish discuss jesu accus oppon care give tenth even minor herb neglect thing that matter justic merci and faith and care cup and plate clean not fact that insid peopl us full extort and rapac mat thi and discuss mat suggest that jesu specif view law mind and that talk maintain law full strength think aspect paul conclus similar talk law superced specif exampl involv ceremoni law such circumcis and sabbath quit concern maintain moral standard net result thi that paul talk law superced and jesu talk law maintain talk aspect law paul embroil argument circumcis natur letter respond specif situat aspect law that caus troubl law specif jewish ceremoni not intend abolish divin standard conduct hand jesu commend law talk law broadest implic for moral and human relationship and deemphas aspect that give paul troubl unfortun that peopl us term wai familiar that current conflict term famili valu special mean current context imagin poor historian futur figur famili valu us code word for opposit homosexu specif period law had similar role argument paul involv paul not reject jewish valu that term law peopl concern famili valu movement oppos famili valu
talk.religion.misc	rosicrucian order articl qsqar usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu toni alicea write previou articl mrcnext cso uiuc edu davi how subject compet order point golden dawn outer order that tradit order rosea rubea aura cruci wonder you mean lectorium rosicrucianum warn point argu legit and not golden dawn you talk golden dawn origin year ago for sake argument reflect affili that true rosicrucian order fraternita rosa cruci quakertown penn taker rosicrucian admit deni such wassail grendel grettisson
talk.religion.misc	merlin mithra and magick kosinski oracl kevin osinski write recal read michael rutherford sarum scene son roman nobleman live britain take part secret ceremoni involv bull stand nake pit cover sort scaffold assist coax bull stand scaffold fatal stab bull dous worshipp pit blood thi supposedli sort rite passag for member bull cult thi relat mithra cult thi tradit idea mithraic cult not had element that borrow catholic mass communion share sacr meal consecr bread and wine etc for quit amus that thi idea check coven flame david morrel quit interest occult bit and lot kill won spoil reveal end will that relev mithraism paul actrix paul gillingwat home offic vienna austria you read new trn eep newsrc editor
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talk.religion.misc	kind love merci and forgiv god articl blue ci pitt edu joslin pogo isp pitt edu david joslin write mwunix mitr org jame meritt write joslin pogo isp pitt edu david joslin write mwunix mitr org jame meritt write context miss you thi promis god that get subject you explain wrong and acknowledg public hypocrisi you jim critic person for take quot context hypocrit post respons person take quot context assert that thi your misaim telepathi work stephen you quot context you note that stephen had not repli articl call that quot context lack evid for not constitut evid for lack common creationist error fact that stephen not repli not justifi conclus that stephen condon take quot context excel condit such conclus made direct assert part for instanc assum that you posit eat shit you not your posit conclus made observ that you not assum you logic and that sentenc that begin you explain not nonsequitur intend follow sentenc that preced that jim call argument you disagre explain argument not sound admit that assumpt bit hasti you agre yup you chanc even heard induct logic you not demonstr familiarli you insuffici logic
talk.religion.misc	kind and love god articl dangermous mitr org jmeritt mental mitr org write leviticu and daughter priest profan plai whore profaneth father burnt fire deuteronomi and token virgin not found for damsel bring damsel door father hous and men citi stone stone that die deuteronomi man found ly woman marri husband die deuteronomi damsel that virgin betroth husband and man find citi and lie bring gate that citi and stone stone that die deuteronomi man find betroth damsel field and man forc and lie man that lai die law written for israelit god chosen peopl god had expressli set apart rest world israelit direct wit god exist disobei god know that god real outright denial god and immedi punish rememb law written for time and appli god chosen peopl jesu chang that live ag grace sin longer immedi punish death repent and salvat lord jesu christ and not for chosen peopl salvat jew and gentil alik god you malcolm lee
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talk.religion.misc	apr god promis john articl apr organpip uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli wrote jesu reason john obviou reason jesu di and noth punish that rise life that stop doubt and john fact that jesu rose dead hope that will rise dead obviou point not overlook thi obviou point hope and faith vaniti glad hear thi note osiri mithra and cult god resurrect good chanc for end virtual realiti simul and live forev hurrah thi joke sort that connect osiri virtual realiti person databas time write book cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
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talk.religion.misc	kind and love god articl apr royalroad mlee post royalroad malcolm lee wrote law written for israelit god chosen peopl god had expressli set apart rest world israelit direct wit god exist disobei god know that god real outright denial god and immedi punish rememb law written for time and appli god chosen peopl jesu chang that live ag grace sin longer immedi punish death repent and salvat lord jesu christ and not for chosen peopl salvat jew and gentil alik jew won agre you malcolm cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
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christ not alter bibl teach for that bless hope and gloriou appear great god and saviour jesu christ titu simon peter servant and apostl jesu christ that obtain preciou faith righteous god and saviour jesu christ peter deiti christ bibl teach discount not even address bibl teach group that differ view defeat bibl teach you bibl lord mortal essenti salvat promis messiah had work salvat will father thing ibid had baptiz gain admiss celesti kingdom mormon doctrin wonder world mormon paradoctrin robert book late bruce mcconki gener author ld church book not publish church constitut offic doctrin consist opinion that mean that not true not idea christ person salvat come conclus conclus come heret you prepar accept that find thi curiou mention that mormon belief that jesu need save put forward quot late apostl bruce mcconki curiou part that address issu jesu need save rick come closest conclus address point repli hop scotch issu bruce mcconki and whether view offici doctrin don that matter 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talk.religion.misc	oto ancient order orient templar articl cup portal thyagi cup portal thyagi morgoth nagasiva write concern that exist extern visibl organ such men and women found path real knowledg and travel burn sand will give benefit experi and act spiritu guid will guid numberless societi associ order group etc found last thirti year part civilis world line occult studi ancient organ genuin mystic show seeker truth royal road discov lost mysteri antiqu and unveil hermet truth thi organ present time ancient order orient templar ordo templi orienti hermet brotherhood light thi point kinda hope that thi joke make great premis for bad syndic show adventur orient templar dedic truth justic and good karma dramat music background doubt horribl offend mike swaim whenev soft drink machin swaim owlnet rice edu restock get angri disclam lie medit imperman thing and empti coke
talk.religion.misc	bhagavad gita text trai gunya visaya veda nistrai gunyo bhavarjuna nirdvandvo nitya sattva stho niryoga ksema atmavan trai gunya pertain mode materi natur visayah subject matter vedah vedic literatur nistrai gunyah transcendent mode materi natur bhava arjuna arjuna nirdvandvah dualiti nitya sattva sthah pure state spiritu exist niryoga ksemah free idea gain and protect atma van establish translat veda deal subject mode materi natur arjuna becom transcendent mode free dualiti and anxieti for gain and safeti and establish purport materi activ involv action and reaction mode materi natur meant for fruitiv result bondag materi world veda deal fruitiv activ gradual elev gener public field sens gratif posit transcendent plane arjuna student and friend lord krsna advis rais transcendent posit vedanta philosophi begin brahma jijnasa question suprem transcend live entiti materi world struggl hard for exist for lord creation materi world gave vedic wisdom advis live and rid materi entangl activ for sens gratif karma kanda chapter finish chanc for spiritu realiz offer form upanisad part veda bhagavad gita part veda mahabharata upanisad mark begin transcendent life long materi bodi exist action and reaction materi mode learn toler face dualiti such happi and distress cold and warmth and toler such dualiti becom free anxieti gain and loss thi transcendent posit achiev full krsna conscious fulli depend good will krsna bhagavad gita book bhaktivedanta swami don forget chant hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare kalki infolin bb aiken south carolina usa system kalki lake trenton
talk.religion.misc	oto ancient order orient templar previou articl thyagi cup portal thyagi morgoth nagasiva that exist extern visibl organ such men and women found path real knowledg and travel burn sand will give benefit experi and act spiritu guid will guid numberless societi associ order group etc found last thirti year part civilis world line occult studi ancient organ genuin mystic that point thought you talk rosicrucian order offens intend toni
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talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di brian kendig bskendig netcom wrote can you point that prove that univers cannot possibl explain accept fact exist god precis your holi book describ can you convinc that your religion cleverli construct fabl and that bear person dai dai life you word ey wit peter testifi event surround jesu life not follow cleverli invent stori told you power and come lord jesu christ eyewit majesti for receiv honor and glori god father voic majest glori thi son love pleas ourselv heard thi voic that heaven sacr mountain and word prophet made and you will pai attent light shine dark place dai dawn and morn star rise your heart thi document testimoni perhap research your part warrant make statement consider studi peter two book testimoni messiah worth your time brian jim burril
talk.religion.misc	davidian and compass articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write thi highli christian religi order that put fire hous kill peopl insid christian act direct contradict scriptur jesu second come that will jesu predict that will fals messiah will us name propheci fulfil not that annoi adult knew supposedli and action angri fact that peopl insid includ mother children suffer and die aw condit agre you thi consid religi end proud that don follow such fanat and compassion religion life god god tell lai life will save anoth life you want die for purpos spare innoc young that noth thi hard time understand that christian word compass christian you action todai produc good pictur your religion you judg christian act call christian and not contradict scriptur action not christian simpl that perhap you read into media portrai true believ christian and you will find that will deni associ even dai adventist deni ti thi cult you judg muslim act commit saddam hussein supposedli devout muslim don saddam dictat religi belief peopl end god you malcolm lee kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	kind and love god articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write articl apr royalroad mlee post royalroad malcolm lee wrote true you state jesu save grace not jew word can salvat not will thi option open peopl jew jew don accept deiti christ expect accept that christ don feel animos even persecut jesu and discipl and eventu crucifi bear ill will feel piti for jesu had die pai price for sin and jew fulfil prophesi jesu knew had die even began ministri that demonstr great depth love for jesu demonstr great depth love for children di todai davidian complex event todai made even neg concer organ religion understand and sympath your pain happen waco sad tradgedi don christian branch davidian not organ religion cult led ego maniac cult leader christian faith stand shoulder man lord lord and king king jesu christ btw david koresh not jesu christ claim god you malcolm lee cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	davidian and compass articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write articl apr edt neat toronto edu cbo toronto edu calvin bruce ostrum wrote articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write hard time understand that christian word compass christian you action todai produc good pictur your religion peopl christian alik and support anoth follow that will support action person call christian not christian and christian christian world shambl you can even agre right and wrong not follow teach christ not christian easi hear your comment suppos christian leader that make that children burnt death you muslim saddam hussein wouldn make such blanket judgement you kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	kind and love god articl ejoinnjfj owl csrv uidaho edu lanph crow csrv uidaho edu rob lanphier write malcolm lee mlee post royalroad wrote bother peopl religi affili continu persecut jew thi hatr jew major peopl persecut jew not christian can speak for christian and bound anti semit bandwagon you even anecdot evid back thi blatent persecut jew histori nazi and world war predomin lutheran crowd muslim middl east israelit thorn side modern persecut jew hand christian awar rob lanphier lanph uidaho edu you neo nazi and white supremist christian classifi christian follow teach christ love anoth love your neighbour love your enemi jesu christ lord and saviour persecut jew violat precept christ di for direct violat teach christ even jesu crucifi jewish leader that time love enemi ask father for forgiv sin christian and bear animos jew enemi satan not fellow man god you malcolm lee
talk.religion.misc	biblic back koresh tape cite enclos articl apr utarlg uta edu zaw utarlg uta edu stephen write for david koresh didn solid structur sound biblic back for hour long tape broadcast don care solid structur sermon death respons for that concern peopl enclos partial list sourc cite quot exactli us christian sermon pretti good not inspir differ part conclus argument present back thi long work ongo you thought rambl that you koresh definit relationship you made curiou thi seal revel entireti psalm and revel demonstr major point write prophet includ david and psalm and revel tell stori you understand relat kei larg explain each charl manson us revel pattern koresh like beatl sequenc kei koresh tape you care check you can almost note card us analysi long list biblic refer impress tremend delet interest common sens koresh nut found wai for bibl backup rant not make kook koresh anoth messeng that kill for messag carri type thi slowli that you can understand set fire told follow don make martyr not kill kill mean time learn lot evil and corrupt you surpris thing that rotten evil insid compound that thou shalt not kill stuff yeah last point for believ philippian for rest you post text
talk.religion.misc	freemasonri and southern baptist convent articl usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu toni alicea write southern baptist convent conven thi june charg that freemasonri incompat christian thought quot jame holli anti mason flag carrier amus you passag exact quot southern baptist convent and freemasonri jame holli presid mission and ministri men inc beaumont drivel delet jesu christ never command toler motiv for discipl and toler antithesi christian messag page central dynam freemason drive for world uniti fratern liberti and equal toler thi write great writer freemasonri page drivel delet hope you had good laugh toni laugh toni thi relig bigot scare shit and that bother listen grave doubt futur shade branch davidian jim jone and charli manson uncl wolf member highland lodg grand lodg california babtiz southern babtist and belief teach
talk.religion.misc	rosicrucian order previou articl cdcolvin rahul net christoph colvin guess san jose mercuri new wrong you amorc not noth person good you didn that pend legal action period situat and resolv parti long human handl subject break btw gari stewart box call org arc ancient rosa cruci guess couldn amorc toni
talk.religion.misc	clarif person posit articl muiw aqc mailer fsu edu dlecoint garnet acn fsu edu dariu lecoint write sin violat sundai forgiven for that for jesu never sundai holi recogn dai holi jesu recogn holi dai passov act that lai gentil that sabbath not list epistl instruct peopl dai christian live peopl not dai that problem scriptur tell that dai can esteem alik roman and that man judg regard kind food eat jewish holi dai regard sabbath col question author proclaim that requir fourth command longer relev modern christian don that sabbath command law total irrelev modern christian collos that not judg regard keep sabbath link hudson
talk.religion.misc	davidian and compass evid independ fbi that that branch davidian set fire survivor press preced for govern save children roast aliv preced for religi imol govern couldn leav alon
talk.religion.misc	rosicrucian order previou articl cdcolvin rahul net christoph colvin work amorc you naiv teen lewi date back wrong and you your homework born last centuri amorc embroil intern polit turmoil isn
talk.religion.misc	freemasonri and southern baptist convent previou articl jluther umr edu john luther john not good netiquett quot complet articl noth person your amus such determin ignor take your mirth want that view sadden thi view sadden don that don care stuff sick sens humor toler toni
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di jburril boi jim burril write brian kendig bskendig netcom wrote can you point that prove that univers cannot possibl explain accept fact exist god precis your holi book describ can you convinc that your religion cleverli construct fabl and that bear person dai dai life you word ey wit peter testifi event surround jesu life two problem peter di two millenia ago origin letter wrote long sinc decai into dust aliv todai and question thi lend credibl your claim not heard peopl claim sincer that spoken elvi recent death peter write transcrib monk for centuri and find hard that didn decid chang word make opinion easier understand even peter wit miracl jesu two millenia ago that doesn mean that your deiti bibl god satan convinc that nice gui even that your deiti aliv and activ world todai nice isn convinc sinc your wild claim your deiti fly face observ world work find compel brian kendig sui fait comm aucun bskendig netcom ceux que vu os croir etr fait comm aucun ceux qui exist mean life vaux pa mieux moin sui autr that end rousseau
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talk.religion.misc	merlin mithra and magick articl pegasu dialin uoregon edu pegasu aaa uoregon edu laurieewbrandt write let add percentag for orphaic docterian brought group paul saul high rank initi develop orphaic mysteri jane harrison prolegomena studi greek religion cambridg press and you can easli draw your conclus perhap you can quot bit argument josh
talk.religion.misc	oto ancient order orient templar previou articl shade sorinc cutler darrin hyrup thelema lodg don internet address ci address can reach internet guess that ci that compuserv toni
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli write not want expos light evil deed will uncov and choic will remain dark sort bug rock peopl not will not dark sometim get cold and dark comfort peopl will crawl rock and blind will accustom light and enjoi warm and virtu light will depth shortcom and correct and will that thi world narrow experi rock will discov that life rock incred yukki and that life light world great great that will want friend and maintain peopl not want enter into light and knowledg that alon master fear afraid face world term and choic will remain dark sort bug rock peopl not will not dark sometim get cold and dark comfort peopl will crawl rock and blind will accustom light and enjoi warmth and that can thing for will height can reach and place can and will learn choos path world and will learn mistak and revel success will that world narrow experi rock will discov that life rock incred yucki and that life term great great that will want you point you rock and get great tan sunlight life improv immesur sinc abandon theism come and join will difficult trip you build your muscl for long hike worth not peopl hate light kent advers extent brian kendig repli thi thread like dark brian enjoi state fals concept and fals pressumpt god bibl check presumpt compar god odin zeu you practic equat odin and zeu your god don you not accept that can wit ey experi sens not mega power you accept sure you thi strongli you good reason don you withough check presumpt think hell equival exist that that ceas exist subject whim deiti that deiti decid toss into fieri pit you enjoi dark peopl will honestli admit peopl fond sexual sin hord monei selfish and not mention biblic ignor nope peopl christian peopl fond feel that imperfect believ that world undesir place recit magic mystic prayer make world nice and holi priest good sheep you enjoi dark and you proud you bibl you read koran zen write hare krishna literatur you haven can you you open mind sin fun admit life sin lead troubl and death thi life and hell nope you make decis enjoi your success and accept your failur you die you content life you led you reflect back your final moment you led good life come rock for god love world that gave and son that believ not perish etern life don feel that sacrif jesu god worship sacrific temporari case not that import forget bibl for minut forget quot vers forget thi that show pictur you and and wide open hilltop and convinc that you brian kendig sui fait comm aucun bskendig netcom ceux que vu os croir etr fait comm aucun ceux qui exist mean life vaux pa mieux moin sui autr that end rousseau
talk.religion.misc	apr god promis john brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli write your mother merlyn you your mother you assert that your mother feet tall murder your father and sexual abus you you kid fetch parent and show you and therebi prove quit definit that mother not name merlyn not feet tall and father quit aliv assert quit simpli that your deiti not exist and wait for similar demonstr you brian kendig sui fait comm aucun bskendig netcom ceux que vu os croir etr fait comm aucun ceux qui exist mean life vaux pa mieux moin sui autr that end rousseau
talk.religion.misc	rosicrucian order articl qvibv usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu toni alicea write previou articl cdcolvin rahul net christoph colvin work amorc you naiv teen lewi date back wrong and you your homework born last centuri amorc embroil intern polit turmoil isn guess san jose mercuri new wrong and involv christoph colvin cdcolvin rahul net
talk.religion.misc	newsgroup soc religion islam ahmadiyya esam abdel rahem write urg you vote format new group ahmadya islam want group word islam shouldnot attach name such group don muslim tahir ijaz comment esam abdel rahem statement problem ourself muslim even you don luckili faith determin believ and person matter you cannot declar faith jawad ali comment tahir ijaz statement you not consequ your argument convers that problem that muslim dont ahmadi muslim consid believ person matter wrong muslim includ defin argument jawad ali funni write convers that problem that muslim dont ahmadi muslim wrong statement light ijaz statement statement correct that ahmadi muslim don ahmadi muslim muslim problem not solv muslim and not human cannot decid human not declar faith that simpl don understand mere us word islam becom such big issu numor post net thi subject and you cannot us islam name your newsgroup haven singl post state declar name faith thi author quran hadith want thi small remind muslim brother holi prophet islam muhammad pbuh call muslim you not muslim never challeng muslim brother produc singl such evid histori islam prophet muhammad never that muslim mullah even govern todai you holi prophet muhammad pbuh sincer nabeel note love for view abeel ana hatr for mail rana rintintin colorado edu mine
talk.religion.misc	apolog jim meritt silenc concur mwunix mitr org jame meritt write stop dodg question hypocrit critic bad argument that thi agre conclus and disagre conclus you claim possess fruit precognit telepathi and telempathi divin anoth dodg match for your amaz repertoir red her and smoke screen you ask for apolog not apolog for point that your straw man argument straw man argument for that your list bibl contradict show such low standard scholarship that embarrass anti inerrantist josh mcdowel embarrass fundi for object time your take quot context for point that not excus for call your red her and smoke screen not you hypocrit true that haven respond robert weiss articl due part fact that almost never read articl respond you and frank decenso fundi inerrantist you and frank quot context and object you critic bad argument and agre conclus that bibl not inerr and frank and disagre conclus critic you and frank for evad question and for explain address object rais you accus hypocrit and irrat frank accus motiv desir attack bibl don that thi hypocrit apolog for apolog for offend you happi
talk.religion.misc	davidian and compass articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write thi highli christian religi order that put fire hous kill peopl insid that cultist burn hous batf and fbi govern word for and peopl start knock search concuss grenad disinterest observ dai christma truelov serv leftov turkei second dai christma truelov serv turkei casserol that made leftov turkei dai delet flame turkei wing pizza hut commerci and tlu gic bait ken arromde arromde jyusenky jhu edu
talk.religion.misc	apr god promis john brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli write warn not job convert you that job holi spirit and frankli make lousi testifi your convers you and god loop you decid follow jesu estat glori god ask your god time heart come co matter confid build univers big place and nice watch into thi open mind lai belief time time had doubt and prai good that don can open your god short decid for good reason and decid for good reason not god zeu pretti cool candid that search even set pride and decid that want truth matter difficult accept never had encount deiti christian can remain true brian kendig sui fait comm aucun bskendig netcom ceux que vu os croir etr fait comm aucun ceux qui exist mean life vaux pa mieux moin sui autr that end rousseau
talk.religion.misc	mormon and jew cochran jame shapleigh write wouldn time group commit suicid avoid shame captur and persecut thi group kill fulfil interpret propheci and book suit paradis take innoc kid for ride fed motiv persecut koresh had surrend quietli author fire shot american peopl and put fed hot seat god told plai tough gui great strength yield thi peter yadlowski wake sky light academ comput center net univers virginia companion keyboard pmy virginia edu basho
talk.religion.misc	mormon and jew bill gripp write wonder busi follow christ weapon fyi peopl not follow christ david koresh messiah didn jesu figur into belief origin question christian and weaponri stand peter yadlowski wake sky light academ comput center net univers virginia companion keyboard pmy virginia edu basho
talk.religion.misc	mormon and jew articl qvh msuinfo msu edu friedenb mapl egr msu edu gedaliah friedenberg write articl qvfik usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu john redelf write that big brother rub minor religion waco mormon jew give break mormon fortifi utah and arm teeth and involv illeg activ deserv you brought ussr innoc proven guilti juri your peer not dan dead thi countri tax evas charg brought bd punish death thi countri you make ludicr suggest not you blind idiot us live countri enjoi free exercis right worship and bear arm don that includ murder children kill atf offic not gun law texa koresh folk claim grenad grenad launcher and rocket launcher not that nra feel that thi fall bear arm not you condem death for batf had stai home aliv murder jew and mormon thi broken record happen explain not rememb jew mormon group overtli break judici nazi law and punish for you short memori bet you cult hater happi hope you not followup dev null altern followup set talk religion misc sleep tonit heartless idiot sleep sleep simpl mind weep for countri john redelf cleveland freenet edu opinion tent pend data gedaliah friedenberg depart mechan engin depart metallurgi mechan and materi scienc michigan state univers short patienc tonit rabid dog deserv and treatment bd jim jmd handheld rethink that never dai haven rethought that can that bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop land countri never lai arm never never never william pitt earl chatham nov
talk.religion.misc	freemasonri and southern baptist convent articl usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu toni alicea write southern baptist convent conven thi june charg that freemasonri incompat christian thought quot jame holli anti mason flag carrier amus you passag exact quot southern baptist convent and freemasonri jame holli presid mission and ministri men inc beaumont insid cover book state mission ministri men inc herebi grant permiss for reproduct part thi booklet two provis materi not chang and two sourc identifi provis freemasonri alli devil page issu not moder conserv issu god and devil page worthwhil rememb that formul public school educ america freemason page jesu christ never command toler motiv for discipl and toler antithesi christian messag page central dynam freemason drive for world uniti fratern liberti and equal toler thi write great writer freemasonri page jesu christ establish sectarian faith page for narrow and sectarian equal lord jesu christ page interest toler and cousin liberti equal and fratern subtlest li father li page southern baptist convent church found lodg and corner stone dedic lodg each church hold public ceremoni repent and prai blood and name lord jesu christ church and renounc oath dedic church and build page hope you had good laugh toni narrow minded view express text you quot your amus such determin ignor take your mirth want that view sadden can hope that that sort narrow minded will die gener that promot teach your children wet blanket mode pax john john luther mistak jluther umr edu for email opinion for umr compuserv doesn umr
talk.religion.misc	mormon and jew ken arromde write not that men feder offic you knock search you your question answer question bd didn immedi that deal fed uniform apparel insignia figur pretti short order fight readi for attack warn peter yadlowski wake sky light academ comput center net univers virginia companion keyboard pmy virginia edu basho
talk.religion.misc	merlin mithra and magick articl joshua apr bailei cpac washington edu joshua cpac washington edu joshua geller wrote articl pegasu dialin uoregon edu pegasu aaa uoregon edu laurieewbrandt write lewb let add percentag for orphaic docterian brought lewb group paul saul high rank initi lewb develop orphaic mysteri jane harrison prolegomena lewb studi greek religion cambridg press and you can easli draw lewb your conclus josh perhap you can quot bit argument love bit copi harrison pack last chapter can rember deal orphic mysteri and view women not come and strongli impli that christian view drawn heavli orphic and major cult time pegasu
talk.religion.misc	ident crisi god satan samuel and anger lord kindl israel and move david number isreal and judah chronicl and satan stood isreal and provok david number israel
talk.religion.misc	question for popular moral articl david terminu ericsson david bold write articl freenet carleton freenet carleton jame owen write you that god unknow moral unknow yep that pretti understand sadduce believ that torah that requir pharise ancestor modern judaism believ that torah for interpret lead understand requir moral nuanc talmud essenc thi that biblic moral interfac man and yhwh for jew christian and not necessarili yhwh that relationship can specul point make that bibl interpret and that interpret human guess thi faith relev come inher subject god unknow can comment motiv distress allow misunderstand fault for saniti sake assum that messag come question whether come immedi individu contain complex canon that interpret expert consult anoth transmit directli appoint repres free interpret extend and modifi canon god messag mediat problem aris whether individu stand mediat messag fulli and sinc respons for understand li ultim individu assum that god benevol guid each individu sourc for that individu whereof person not drink metaphys multipl moral code absolut moral code and thi theolog question absolut moral code undoubt multipl moral code multipl moral code found absolut moral code exampl parent child never swear and child assum that parent never swear simpli parent told child that wrong parent swear trooper pub bar children wrong child disobei parent parent feel that inappropri swear front children quit happi swear front anim analog not quit hold water child that type parent and parent life you gist incident young child consid direct absolut get older piaget and learn moral your exampl complic ag thin line moral and polit you burp for burp and swear carri stigma todai you talk take lord name vain transgress thi exampl case hypocrisi vari moral code absolut moral code proposit law that code appli absolut and univers definit conceiv moral code subset univers code you outset for exampl god code includ thou shalt not creat be hospit planet live thi law inapplic nevertheless entitl suppos that law applic applic god you begin law god moral code you sens absurd question god make law for follow perhap god not sort categori moral can sensibl appli jame owen freenet carleton ottawa ontario canada
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talk.religion.misc	freemasonri and southern baptist convent articl usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu toni alicea write southern baptist convent conven thi june charg that freemasonri incompat christian thought quot jame holli anti mason flag carrier amus you munch hope you had good laugh funni wasn damn nasti and xian hard that push black white and freedom slaveri blatantli mark
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talk.religion.misc	ld mormon true church articl acsu buffalo edu psyrobtw ubvmsb buffalo edu robert weiss write psyrobtw ubvmsb buffalo edu robert weiss subject ld mormon true church date apr gmt mormon church christ true church lot stuff intellectu error delet thi cute statement tell your church true church presum that you that true attempt ream faith replac real good loos person complet christ thi greatest reason that attack not motiv love seek destroi build replac belief thi not christ guid and instruct didn seek destroi faith found redirect thi peopl love insert favorit group and laugh ironi excus scarcasm nice btw robert don thi person your post convin
talk.religion.misc	apolog jim meritt silenc concur articl blue ci pitt edu joslin pogo isp pitt edu david joslin write mwunix mitr org jame meritt write stop dodg question hypocrit critic bad argument that thi agre conclus and disagre conclus you claim possess fruit precognit telepathi and telempathi divin anoth dodg match for your amaz repertoir red her and smoke screen you ask for apolog not apolog for point that your straw man argument straw man argument for that your list bibl contradict show such low standard scholarship that embarrass anti inerrantist josh mcdowel embarrass fundi for object time your take quot context for point that not excus for call your red her and smoke screen inaccur unsubstanti accus blue ci pitt edu jim threaten threat produc onc realiz that displai telepathi threaten quot spite threat produc forecast happen precognit respond jim threat quot spite claim threat never jim prepar spite never happen telepathi precognit jim mystifi unsubstanti and untru telepathi telempathi jim scandal unsubstanti habit troubl realiti appear bother fact you product paranatur divin method yawn
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talk.religion.misc	mormon and jew articl murdoch acc virginia edu pmy vivaldi acc virginia edu pete yadlowski write wonder busi follow christ weapon peter yadlowski wake sky light academ comput center net univers virginia companion keyboard pmy virginia edu basho imo christian weapon contrari american nra etho bear arm christian reli strength god protect note that inher insecur feel that that not proper justif arm teeth christian not reli physic weapon defend christian reli faith and intellig for instanc faith that god will protect god gave intellig not walk that dark allei night jump cliff and that god will save put god test and test god god you malcolm lee
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talk.religion.misc	biblic back koresh tape cite enclos articl apr utarlg uta edu zaw utarlg uta edu stephen write koresh anoth messeng that kill for messag carri noth bar evid contrari that koresh simpli anoth derang fanat thought neccessari bunch folk children and satisfi delusion mania jim jone circa mean time learn lot evil and corrupt you surpris thing that rotten nope fruitcak koresh demonstr such evil corrupt for centuri frog almanac salut that frog hiss ryugen fisher sco xenix ladysmith british columbia canada serv central vancouv island public access usenet and internet mail home holocaust almanac
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talk.religion.misc	biblic back koresh tape cite enclos articl apr utarlg uta edu zaw utarlg uta edu stephen write for david koresh didn solid structur sound biblic back for hour long tape broadcast enclos partial list sourc cite quot exactli us christian sermon pretti good not inspir david koresh born bethlehem ehh
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talk.religion.misc	disillus protest find christ john redelf cleveland freenet edu wrote mormon christ that aliv rais text delet learn that concept holi triniti never taught jesu christ that agre council clergymen long christ ascend men had author speak for jesu never taught concept triniti you deal mat jesu and author heaven and earth mat and make discipl nation baptiz name father and son and holi spirit mat and teach obei command you and sure you end ag jesu speak act for john baptiz water dai you will baptiz holi spirit that you overlook kei vers that crucial christian faith jim burril jburril boi
talk.religion.misc	silenc concur not case that ey law awar and capabl take action and not that individu held respons for that action exampl driver getawai car held accomplic murder didn defens spawn ignor law excus individu held materi wit crime crimin charg individu not ground person imprison jame meritt mwunix mitr org jmeritt mitr org opinion mine share fine fact belong and simpli
talk.religion.misc	question islam view question islam view homosexu discuss group that particip and question islam view homosexu jim burril jburril boi
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talk.religion.misc	part and part homosexu articl njxcg vec jut ccc amdahl rich bellacera amail amdahl write perhap you don and you never will didn middl ag and proclaim god will massacr thousand witch hunt and inquisit injustic middl ag and thi trueli sad hate dai church put peopl death torchur for practic homosexu crime church not call govern world that homosexu treat cruelli todai that not mean that teach christian practic homosexu immor you that teach christian practic divin and channel witch middl ag persecut major flaw thi postur that end final effect post that and hudson that you condit love for gai condit chang and love you thi strang come group claim that god uncondit love that call peopl and you accus judg you into heart and love write that not teach christian practic homosexu immor and you pretend divin knowledg into heart can that love homosexu can that love neighbor don homosexu jesu love homosexu love love condit not show love homosexu not love encourag brother church stumbl and continu sin that damag and danger thing result pass amend colorado creat organ poster appear colorado call forget definit hand last part immor gross homosexu trash and motto work for fag free america implicit advoc for violenc thi sick and you and hudson and embrac that slander easili that nambla implement legisl make child molest easier tear societi moral due peopl accept homosexu normal and that thi you embrac that homosexu sex immor that not mean endors violenc problem hatr church problem call unsanctifi merci conserv church moral breakdown thi countri and storm horizon and milit flesh thi trueli sad church embrac immor societi and point carnal conserv church justifi action don stick posit and find wai bring peopl jesu istead take bullwhip and drive not us bullwhip drive peopl jesu shouldn water gospel draw peopl jesu didn show consid posit aspect draw peopl told man sell had told anoth not good bye famili word hard time present peopl cost tower begin construct peopl innocul gospel link hudson rich
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talk.religion.misc	part and part homosexu hudson athena uga edu paul hudson write articl njxcg vec jut ccc amdahl rich bellacera amail amdahl write don stick posit and find wai bring peopl jesu istead take bullwhip and drive not us bullwhip drive peopl jesu shouldn water gospel draw peopl put and case call christian brother continu sin and claim that sin not sin perfectli accept christian ignor sin lifestyl order not offend person reaffirm that lifestyl sin bibl bullwhip drive peopl jesu frankli find occur homosexu christian attempt pass straight christian order christian accept chastis lot peopl reaffirm that bibl teach homosexu sin walter
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talk.religion.misc	rosicrucian order articl qppef usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu toni alicea write kent you that compet rosicrucian order exist todai spin off oto and compet organ centuri franc germani write articl don huh interest relat stori heard btw thi spent time investig organ and conceptu world view system name compet rosicrucian order spent time you spin off opposit case huh care back that josh
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talk.religion.misc	treatis miracl muhammad part droplet vol part vast ocean miracul qur translat arab and turkish write bediuzzaman nursi risal noor vol part nineteenth letter jizat ahmediy risalesi treatis miracl muham part continu droplet vol part sign miracl muhammad extrem vari messengership univers distinguish miracl that relat almost speci creation suprem aid renown ruler arriv gift citi peopl live will welcom repres each peopl acclaim and bid languag suprem messeng monarch pre and post etern ezel and eb sultani honor univers come envoi inhabit earth and brought light truth and spiritu gift creator univers and deriv realiti univers each speci creation water rock tree anim and human be moon sun and star welcom and acclaim prophethood each languag and each bear miracl requir volumin work mention miracl punctili scholar written volum proof prophethood will briefli point gener categori into fall fhe miracl that definit and accept accur report evid prophethood muhammad fall into two main categori call irhasat and includ paranorm event that happen time birth declar prophethood second group pertain remain evid prophethood and contain two subdivis wonder that manifest departur thi world order confirm prophethood and that exhibit era prophethood two part evid prophethood that manifest person and outer moral conduct and perfect and miracl that relat substanti matter last part two branch qur and spiritu and relat matter and creation thi last branch divid into two categori involv paranorm happen that occur mission break stubborn unbeliev augment faith beliv thi categori twenti sort such split moon flow water finger satisfi larg number food and speak tree rock and anim each son instanc and mean strength confirm consensu for second categori thi includ event ly futur that occur had predict allah swt instruct start last categori will summar list unfonun not write had intend choic wrote head dictat and not complet conform order thi classif continu allah will irfan alan servant islam
talk.religion.misc	christian law clarif person posit articl apr rchland ibm xzz rchland vnet ibm traff write articl muiw aqc mailer fsu edu dlecoint garnet acn fsu edu dariu lecoint write question author proclaim that requir fourth command longer relev modern christian don christian law not save adher law law exist sin sin law thi case refer christian jew that sin aton for blood sacrific anim describ testament last time you heard jewish anim sacrific christian that sin aton for blood sacrific jesu blood sacrific innoc man thi not make law irrelev don christian follow don even follow ten command break law sin and avoid sin wai sin not jeopard salvat short hitler heaven and gandhi hell note that not theologian thi gist sermon heard and bibl studi you perhap great deceiv pull your leg
talk.religion.misc	merlin mithra and magick kosinski oracl kevin osinski write recal read michael rutherford sarum scene son roman nobleman live britain take part secret ceremoni involv bull stand nake pit cover sort scaffold assist coax bull stand scaffold fatal stab bull dous worshipp pit blood thi supposedli sort rite passag for member bull cult thi relat mithra cult don rutherford inform for thi chapter book histor fiction and gener event place larg base histor account rite thi describ joseph campbel occident mytholog describ level initi don campbel info rememb think eclect connect ancient bull cult and current practic bullfight popular mediterranean cultur quit bit you haven read campbel give larri caldwel caldwel ohsu edu compuserv oregon health scienc univers
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talk.religion.misc	kind and love god articl apr royalroad mlee post royalroad malcolm lee wrote true you state jesu save grace not jew word can salvat not will thi option open peopl jew jew don accept deiti christ expect accept that christ don feel animos even persecut jesu and discipl and eventu crucifi bear ill will feel piti for jesu had die pai price for sin and jew fulfil prophesi jesu knew had die even began ministri that demonstr great depth love for jesu demonstr great depth love for children di todai davidian complex event todai made even neg concer organ religion cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
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talk.religion.misc	rob lanphier dear rob read brian post find honestli seek truth read your respons condescens you repli post repli post you quot thi statement undermin good point you had make stop read sometim come across condesend and come across that time you for reproach rob time learn that peopl respond gentl approach respond harsh rebuk brian respond and glad respond case approach intent love make excus for come across condesend apolog for that rob sometim brian come across honest thi brian vasil back and post honest excus explain univers word brian kendig comfort set excus want brian honest will question and stop assert irrelev excus noth god brian read bibl for and come decis sidetrack temptat mock god perspect rob brian kendig man stand middl highwai into distanc mack truck head for brian face oncom truck doesn dialog brian step you run truck turn you will healthier you oncom truck explain truck exist turn you will run won hike and tomorrow tuesdai you blind fool you choos ignor you noth lose you not you will lose your life not want you squash road life lose not truck run will not harm and open mind motiv belittl brian love brian not singl brian kendig million not billion peopl fall into categori perhap peopl fall fallen into thi categori time live can truck brian hope that brian will and will ramif truck come hope that brian will want step fear that brian will choos glue middl highwai will run choos choos and noth can that chang mind for choic thi moment brian hasn even that point not want move eyebal appeas head will not turn entir pictur satisfi glimps mountain distanc you rob for your reproach wife tell thing time will
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di jim burhil write you word ey wit peter testifi event surround jesu life two problem brian kendig write peter di two millenia ago origin letter wrote long sinc decai into dust aliv todai and you question exist alexand great tilgrath pilisar iii nero caligula josephu cyru great artexerx document decai dust brian anoth excus even peter wit miracl jesu two millenia ago that doesn mean that your deiti bibl god satan convinc that nice gui even that your deiti aliv and activ world todai peter wrote bit bibl peter god bibl bibl court record period thousand year peopl come and testifi experi live god come abraham wealthi rancher come mose onc high offici egypt come elijah priest come david mere shepherd king come pagan king nebuchanezzar come pagan king persia cyru come nehemiah cupbear king persia matthew ir agent take stand come luke paul jew us kill christian for fun come john year boi come peter fishermen come jame brother jesu come hundr you hear testimoni fishermen ir agent priest king court hear last thousand year peopl come and testifi god call you listen thi stuff you realiz that king david never john solomon never matthew nehemiah never peter you realiz that peopl independ wit and you rule collabor wit god each testifi tell experi live god each experi each experi cross unmistakenli reveal that each peopl talk god daniel not god highest offici babylon god reveal john year perspect two testimoni ident each testimoni dare ventur each wit testimoni even prior consist describ harmoni fit facet charact god stare gaze comput you thi fanat end net thi god reveal call jesu john tell truth wonder you pass thi testimoni fictious you call thousand year worth testimoni shepherd ir agent royal offici king comput programm fiction scoff your keyboard complet ignor testimoni you that that complet hooei that not audaci displai arrog you you king solomon king david even abraham lincolnr
talk.religion.misc	disillus protest find christ articl qmhp usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu john redelf write previou articl tom tredysvr tredydev unisi tom albrecht articl usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu john redelf write learn that god love children never heard and plan for redeem even di knowledg christ learn that man cannot frustrat justic repent death bed repent feel remors requir faith christ proven keep command such cannot accomplish deathb jesu li thief cross paradis and salvat not thing salvat refer john don effort equat salvat paradis impli fact that save enter paradis robert weiss psyrobtw ubvm buffalo edu
talk.religion.misc	abort and privat health insur qid agat berkelei edu dzkriz ocf berkelei edu denni kriz write recent becom awar that health insur includ coverag for abort strongli oppos abort for reason conscienc disturb deepli that premium us pai for that sincer murder request that exempt abort coverag health premium reduc accordingli share denni outrag similar manner recent becom awar that health insur includ coverag for ill and injuri suffer christian disturb deepli that premium us pai for that sincer divin punish for sin conduct addit folk avail such altern therapi lourd fatima morri cerullo benni hinn etc case jesu save feel that reason for cover bet expens request that exempt christian coverag health premium reduc accordingli jack carrol
talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli write brian kendig write you can explain death jesu good thing glad hear and you even convert warn that heard common argument and don convinc jesu john isn mysteri and for persuas argument read jesu repli your question john assuredli you grain wheat fall ground and di remain alon di produc grain love life will lose and hate life thi world will for etern life serv follow and servant will serv father will honor want etern life hate thi creat deiti that deiti not enjoi want live forev challeng life that will die and that give life mean that happen time and will somedai pass will content live memori friend and onc dead will longer reason exist short even your deiti exist that doesn automat mean that worship content live life and fend for die can proud fact that matter end will action and choic your god decid toss into flame pit for thi ceas exist your god respect and obedi had earn and will strong and true jesu reason john obviou reason jesu di and noth punish that rise life that stop doubt and john fact that jesu rose dead hope that will rise dead obviou point not overlook thi obviou point hope and faith vaniti jesu wasn rose dead osiri charact greek nors legend memori serv want rise dead you want jesu suffer death jesu jesu john that mysteri world hate reason direct proclam human botch thing and saviour your god win devot can provid for resort blind faith that appli equal religion and can you brian accept thi can you world cannot accept see john that precis zeu odin offer devot offer jesu animos and lack knowledg that come your twist robert daili vers convinc testimoni truth john and you understand point view christian spout bibl vers time sort magic spell that will level opposit truth not robert never demonstr that understand vers impli rattl dai dai brazenli fly face common sens and realiti and point can even that even christian explain vers word christian point view that human want christian understood christian messag properli and strife and suffer earth end problem that substitut moslem buddhist satanist christian and mean thing christan nice belief set nice book you want make that bear real world you convinc prai and hope that blurt such animos and lack knowledg not perfect that god that jesu reveal bumbl blindli arrogantli slander person creat and love and opinion you bumbl blindli make entiti aren and depriv true understand and enjoy your life long you your belief belief you start wave expect toss opinion brian kendig sui fait comm aucun bskendig netcom ceux que vu os croir etr fait comm aucun ceux qui exist mean life vaux pa mieux moin sui autr that end rousseau
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talk.religion.misc	ld gordon question nicen creed gordon bank quot and ad articl eoz acsu buffalo edu psyrobtw ubvmsb buffalo edu robert weiss write christian profess for year nicen creed statement belief drawn truth scriptur that offici accept council church bishop and leader nicea christian recit thi creed regularli public worship prior christian believ nicean creed even formul you such absurd afraid you don honest nicen creed mention statement belief that deriv scriptur that thi list not exist earlier not that belief summar not exist formula deriv robert weiss psyrobtw ubvm buffalo edu
talk.religion.misc	alt sex stori literari critic analysi articl qevbh agat berkelei edu dzkriz ocf berkelei edu denni kriz write that perhap not thought even want begin process initi literari critic studi pornographi post alt sex stori identifi major theme and motif present stori post open possibl object moral evalu materi present congratul you for not post flame you sick pervert you immor you hell usual religi post found alt sex hierarchi hopefulli you won flame you will argu person that your project built unsteadi ground not that find object moral moral and inher subject repres belief person group peopl can wide held perhap even overwhelmingli held never and can never object assumpt christian bedrock assumpt that that true come god alt sex stori perhap even object standpoint major materi repugn you come thi conclus quit quickli you start think analyz materi thi reflect fairli profound peopl truth and deserv point second not accept assumpt that you make you you object accept moral begin christian bibl you defeat your purpos long run advantag make such literari moral analysi that will save band width christian and mutual flame each moral accept stuff pornograph group call pessimist you won stop flamag will peopl pop upin alt sex sick and twist and evil curios alt sex reader show unprovok religion group you that you narrow mind censor overbear totalitarianist basic not disson christian moral and christian work not whether christian not provid exampl peopl togeth dinner discuss moral you conserv moslem and sociopath start that immor forc peopl sex you you agre that immor sex your gender note don your view homosexu thi common view moral for purpos thi exampl moslem that immor for women face uncov sociopath becom bore kill and eat feel guilt noth wrong moral mind support for assumpt christian scriptur thi evid delet not accept your evid for thi you accept word god that good come god thi valid argument for person share your belief that catalog major theme and motif erotica interest for reason good luck thi part major theme motif pornograph literatur place alt sex stori that identifi add comment motif male cinderella stori express feel alien and worthless part writer protagonist stori regard object person desir stori involv protagonist surfac quit averag underneath enorm dick desir gain access sexual person confess desir and walk rain drop hmmm detect wee bit condesc motif celebr preoccup beauti not object vast major pornograph literatur deal beauti innoc lost grace simpli physic beauti and gener peopl christian will that beauti good constru thi mean that beauti peopl good beauti peopl hope that peopl reliz that thi not necessarili true motif dick instrument redempt suggest word peni line tone your post bless hung for laid revis matthew bravo respect you and your sens humor sir motif sex express sincer give clear desir part protagonist give sexual pleasur object person desir and thi theme stori not selfish point exampl work elf sternberg for exampl motif alt sex stori describ sex complet remov realm transmit life remov sex procr dimens alt sex stori that begin sex even involv ejacul context describ pornographi serv real purpos serv purpos pornograph movi affirm viril male involv assur reader that charact orgasm pictur describ cathol teach thi husband and wife act total mutual give sexual union cooper god open for transmiss life human vita your pictur appli peopl accept your church addit sex for procreat god make pleasur that peopl want build instinct god make fallibl not sexual encount result pregnanc even cathol thi mean that sin case alt sex stori and cathol teach will not ey ey thi for long time grant motif sex us instrument violenc power and humili pornographi tend that direct not volum written relationship sex and power humili thi good reason tradition judeo christian neg regard sexual tend great moral morass pornographi not tend direct not demand for peopl violent fantasi that never act real life will and read and mull jeff jeffj yang earlham edu offici gener sig line column amiga check witti quot map australia asterisk ascii art disclaim anti flame request and spell errer
talk.religion.misc	kind and love god articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write articl apr royalroad mlee post royalroad malcolm lee wrote law written for israelit rememb law written for time and appli god chosen peopl jesu chang that live ag grace sin longer immedi punish death repent and salvat lord jesu christ and not for chosen peopl salvat jew and gentil alik jew won agre you malcolm jew peopl languag religi polit you mean jew god chosen and malcolm you will set your word wrap avoid clutter stephen
talk.religion.misc	kind and love god articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write articl apr royalroad mlee post royalroad malcolm lee wrote law written for israelit god chosen peopl god had expressli set apart rest world israelit direct wit god exist disobei god know that god real outright denial god and immedi punish rememb law written for time and appli god chosen peopl jesu chang that live ag grace sin longer immedi punish death repent and salvat lord jesu christ and not for chosen peopl salvat jew and gentil alik jew won agre you malcolm cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net lot peopl won agre that and respect that point jew cover save grace jesu christ jew becom christian thi bring anoth question ponder anti semit peopl hate jew don hate jew sinner
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talk.religion.misc	ld gordon question nicen creed nicen creed god father almighti maker heaven and earth and thing visibl and invis and lord jesu christ begotten son god begotten father world god god light light god god begotten not made substanc father thing made for men and for salvat heaven and incarn holi spirit virgin mari and made man and crucifi for pontiu pilat suffer and buri and dai rose scriptur and ascend into heaven and sitteth hand father and come glori judg quick and dead kingdom end and holi spirit lord and giver life proceedeth father and son father and son togeth worship and glorifi spoke prophet and holi and apostol church acknowledg baptism for remiss sin and for resurrect dead and life world come amen
talk.religion.misc	christian meta ethic articl jzz panix ml panix michael siemon write point make base command that aren reduc rule set rule moral code law code algorithm for act such thing can help individu societi not us person involv and respons for action two command rule rule that vagu that practic devoid mean michael siemon acknowledg thi time write that resolut argument turn secular and cultur assumpt that independ rule great command call act you god and accept ultim respons your action command love your neighbor can view part remind man that not god and cannot act ultim respons tradit present interpret believ suppos interpret love neighbor rule and reli god make thing come precis wrong for man assum such ultim respons onc confront good sound goo that mean reader mean conserv twist thi act you god mean lai rule for peopl and nasti don your rule insist and obviou thi that convinc lot peopl rightli reject concept that such idioci god act and that thi interpret twist passag bibl that straightforward read show christian god behav thi michael cannot refer base claim base command show that such read twist thi diverg understand occur even interpret base claim and command address conserv christian michael will necessarili draw secular and cultur notion that conserv christian will reject for ethic system sinc societi eager hand matter that principl for critiqu ethic system case will profer agap allel onc base command vagu serv principl for critiqu ethic system mean base command for believ deriv secular and cultur notion that believ bring believ mix demand straightforward read biblic passag sectarian tradit combin thing command lack suffici substanc themself serv basi for critic ethic system mean come ethic system believ bring command and bodi christian begin urg ethic system case result bizarr identifi system popular infam christian christian not torah not ran specif christian scriptur command that christian desper want command mine for almost support singl thing gospel jesu specif command love anoth jesu explicitli state that thi summar jewish law bring properli understand mean love god and love neighbor parabl and teach gospel attribut jesu that straightforwardli read ethic command paulin epistl similarli full not clear that come togeth sensibl understand ethic behavior problem not lack raw materi radic christian that gospel michael conserv christian gospel differenti you you interpret gospel don and myriad christian you christian sens wide varieti interpret christian tell that testament author left suffici vagu hodg podg that can serv sourc text for vastli belief natur christian god and men and shouldn ironi that noth christian per that michael can us support lesbian and gai christian principl turn thi effect extra christian principl michael interpret religion and homophob appli christian principl equal justif short extra christian principl that make michael christian benefici and suspect benefici perhap moreso filter christian interpret michael paint pictur standard american atheism reject evil conserv christian interpret bibl even damag christian note that testament present such vagu hodg podg notion natur god and natur good order interpret that reli extran principl appli christian parabl cold drink can and hot drink can lukewarm spit russel
talk.religion.misc	that kill sword kill sword articl apr utarlg uta edu zaw utarlg uta edu stephen write that chemic warfar and us juggernaut us innoc likewis involv subject judgment for lead into captiv whether strand barb wire web deceit yeah innoc peopl hoard worth high calib automat weapon and kill law enforc agent fit bill innoc children prevent leav burn build appoint messiah parent burn start davidian such patienc and faith saint continu for reward work come quickli evid continu mount follow step step quit logic stephen thi subject line veil threat govern agent possibl execut offic leadership clinton consid you bit loon stephen guess thi pretti confirm nice religion you kill don agre sheesh tom hyatt diehard saint fan thyat sdf lonestar org suffer quit you arlington repress python
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talk.religion.misc	biblic back koresh tape cite enclos articl sbctri sbc netd susi sbc write articl apr utarlg uta edu zaw utarlg uta edu stephen write for david koresh didn solid structur sound biblic back for hour long tape broadcast don care solid structur sermon death respons for that concern peopl assum you evid that respons for death koresh nut evid type thi slowli that you can understand set fire told follow don make martyr not kill kill onc your proof suicid consid sin branch davidian koresh and that not commit suicid cult expert that not suicid david thibedeau cult member that fire start tank sprai tear ga into facil knock lantern evil insid compound evid that thou shalt not kill stuff point that bibl not commit murder nkj translat mistransl defens never consid murder reason stockpil weapon afraid govern fear found rai cote govern govern
talk.religion.misc	biblic back koresh tape cite enclos articl oryx xcpslf oryx stephen favor write koresh anoth messeng that kill for messag carri noth charact messeng reckon find rest hard koresh kill want lot illeg gun suppos illeg gun found suppos kill bunch peopl rai cote govern govern
talk.religion.misc	ld gordon object articl acsu buffalo edu psyrobtw ubvmsb buffalo edu robert weiss write gordon bank quot and ad articl acsu buffalo edu psyrobtw ubvmsd buffalo edu robert weiss write mormon jesu spirit brother lucif that jesu god father born spirit child that jesu begotten earth natur mean not holi ghost that sweat blood for sin garden gethseman that blood cannot cleans sin that million god that jesu jehovah and father elohim jehovah and elohim that need save true that mormon that spirit includ jesu lucif robert weiss famili not mean that jesu creat that lucif and robert weiss not agre that thi heresi sweat blood gethsemen not basic mormon doctrin jesu not perform aton gethesem alon anti mormon teach unpardon sin that biblic and not specif mormon call sin holi ghost bibl scholar conserv not jehovah and elohim you heard and text don you mean that need save jesu jehovah elohim mormon doctrin jesu sinless and not save gordon bank jxp skeptic chastiti intellect and geb cadr dsl pitt edu shame surrend
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talk.religion.misc	kind and love god articl hicinnjfj owl csrv uidaho edu lanph crow csrv uidaho edu rob lanphier write malcolm lee mlee post royalroad wrote refer leviticu and deuteronomi law written for israelit god chosen peopl god had expressli set apart rest world israelit direct wit god exist disobei god know that god real outright denial god and immedi punish rememb law written for time and appli god chosen peopl jesu chang that live ag grace sin longer immedi punish death repent and salvat lord jesu christ and not for chosen peopl salvat jew and gentil alik hmm for book that appli israelit deuteronomi jesu quot lot addit allud place and case isn clear jesu thought testament isn obsolet repeat vers matthew get quot thi group lot not that come abolish law prophet not come abolish fulfil you truth heaven and earth disappear not smallest letter not stroke pen will mean disappear law accomplish break command and teach will call kingdom heaven practic and teach command will call great kingdom heaven for you that your righteous surpass that pharise and teacher law you will not enter kingdom heaven niv pretti red letter that you jesu talk thi dilemma for christian testament doesn appli that paul harvei like quot rob lanphier lanph uidaho edu will clarifi earlier quot god law origin written for israelit jesu chang that fact make law applic peopl not jew gentil part kingdom heaven save grace god never that law made obsolet jesu clarifi law such that quot you made vers jesu take portion law and expound law give clearer mean god intend you notic ream into pharise for muck law contriv interpret knew letter law and head not heart that point that righteous surpass that pharise order accept into kingdom heaven peopl such pharise debat number angel that can danc head pin had becom legalist rule maker religi lawyer practic letter law never believ you will agre that todai world lot modern dai pharise bibl end end not good head knowledg noth heart christian not set rule lifestyl that perspect and person conduct and demand obedi god will peopl can live cannot will not that choic and respect god respect god you malcolm lee
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talk.religion.misc	kind and love god articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write articl apr royalroad mlee post royalroad malcolm lee wrote understand and sympath your pain happen waco sad tradgedi don christian branch davidian not organ religion cult led ego maniac cult leader christian faith stand shoulder man lord lord and king king jesu christ btw david koresh not jesu christ claim interest notion that watch tonight koresh never claim offici jesu christ believ hope that never thi standpoint interest break seal revel and make that armageddon start and children di and god save kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net and not scriptur that man hour come not even angel heaven father plai god break seal kill and follow btw god save children heaven place faith god you malcolm lee
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talk.religion.misc	merlin mithra and magick caldwel facman ohsu edu larri caldwel write evid feast bread and wine associ mithra wonder yeshua intention introduc thi ritual expand appeal religion appropri worship you argu that you want reason argument point fact that remembr feast similar pesach passov meal seder jewish ritual fact that appear abus earli church peopl eat real concern passov meal and not treat meal respect show simplifi ritual bread and wine deal inher problem peopl human natur and essenti remembr aspect david whitten fwva saic don speak compani rep
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talk.religion.misc	learn waco wacko import thing can glean thi mess start get desper for answer question natur pinkboi will bui darn mean plenti made fals jesu busi enterpris subgenii rememb that onc you separ pink green don blow automat weapon mexico put swiss bank account smile lot your flunki hand flower airport con will shrug you long you never never never start your bulldada david koresh hand start swallow apocalypso crap work crossword puzzl bahama todai contribut mulch layer waco thi you start shoot cop like shoot back and shot you short barnum and stupid correct endeth lesson doge south loui dobb approv media conspir step sundai loui commun radio you pai you bob dobb
talk.religion.misc	biblic back koresh tape cite enclos articl apr wood ulowel edu cotera wood ulowel edu write articl sbctri sbc netd susi sbc write articl apr utarlg uta edu zaw utarlg uta edu stephen write for david koresh didn solid structur sound biblic back for hour long tape broadcast don care solid structur sermon death respons for that concern peopl assum you evid that respons for death koresh nut evid nut not liar surrend local radio station broadcast messag didn surrend passov didn excus gross incompet and disregard for safeti children displai fed point had chelsea clinton you restraint peter
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talk.religion.misc	mormon and jew articl innh ctron new ctron king ctron john king write pmy vivaldi acc virginia edu pete yadlowski write didn christ discipl arm selv shortli crusifict exact quot line you sell and bui sword thi gui preach love defer power god and renunci worldli life exchang for life spirit jesu fact command discipl arm that anoth reason reject christian doctrin for worth religion doctrin good and bad reject current implement doctrin classic exampl take scriptur context luke note for you that thi written accomplish and will reckon lawless state that two sword for group carri count lawless polit correct number weapon arres and kill even huh jesu overid messag peac turn cheek live sword die sword etc matthew not suppos that come bring peac earth not peac come bring sword rjl rich loether snail mail univers pittsburgh idea email rjl pitt edu comput and info servic mine voic epsilon drive fax pittsburgh mine
talk.religion.misc	jewish histori question articl apr csi uottawa misrael csi uottawa mark israel write articl cocoac netcom cocoa netcom write delet ti told that testament book translat into greek long time ago that famou version call septuagint translat made greek jew and that origin destroi fire afterward don you refer jersusalem templ destroi manuscript lost extant hebrew manuscript good greek don origin person tell septuagint version that greek had wonder librari alexandria that full manuscript scroll and that burn septuagint version translat perhap conceal version perhap part typic burn valuabl thing that occur power group dunno wonder sinc imagin jewish peopl had copi earlier hebrew version hebrew version testament greek deriv version famou discrep isaiah propheci young woman chang into virgin testament writer read not perhap thi answer delet you jewish bookstor you bibl translat jew will differ interpret text translat basic you want read origin you can bui interlinear bibl that contain hebrew testament and greek testament english translat written underneath each word you want bibl possibl origin basic text you can find samaritan bibl good luck never samaritan not good samaritan version book mose claim jewish bibl alter ezra for tip find teach samaritan good samaritan hard find hard finish thi chocolati arm and castl wetwar liason mail cocoa netcom voicemail
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talk.religion.misc	kind and love god articl innno owl csrv uidaho edu lanph crow csrv uidaho edu rob lanphier write malcolm lee mlee post royalroad wrote you neo nazi and white supremist christian classifi christian follow teach christ love anoth love your neighbour love your enemi jesu christ lord and saviour persecut jew violat precept christ di for direct violat teach christ even jesu crucifi jewish leader that time love enemi ask father for forgiv sin christian and bear animos jew enemi satan not fellow man mark jesu quot believ and baptiz will save not will condemn neo nazi and white supremisist christian feel justifi action bibl bibl that christian suppos persecut jew isn love your enemi christian action speak differ you tell you don god investig and conclus and ultim choic salvat grant grace god bibl clear definit christian tell christian that long you your sin will forgiven christian model oneself jesu christ impli name christian you you your head not feel your heart that your belief white supremisist and neo nazi not your brand christian believ christ christian white supremist and neo nazi not brand christian you hate your you can can you love god you cannot thi belief entail believ christ and your sin forgiven name not give christian free licenc sin repent sin forgiv that sin and not christian you lump racist and accus such you not pre judg btw chines racial background and part visibl minor thi countri don that favour look white supremist christian you call can don practic preach belief fals you concur for your origin statement bother peopl religi affili continu persecut jew thi hatr jew major peopl persecut jew not christian can speak for christian and bound anti semit bandwagon you impli that predomin atheist and agnost persecut jew hard press even exampl jewish persecut hand atheist agnost nazi and racist gener that come attent that such peopl bibl mask racial intoler and bigotri can and hide christian you that jesu noth that come mind soviet union religi peopl suffer sort persecut not mention atheist agnost suffer persecut for believ govern suck arguement rob lanphier lanph uidaho edu point make that call christian not christian that you draw your conclus and not model exampl jesu christ not christian not repent sin and accept jesu christ person lord and saviour not christian criteria christian god you malcolm lee
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talk.religion.misc	christian own organ list articl apr mnemosyn edu kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write articl sdcc ucsd edu shopper ucsd edu write can find list christian own corpor and compani that wordperfect that wordperfect own mormon mormon aren gener consid christian kcochran nyx edu tsakc thought post idea respons beer pizza you pump and purs thi shade perfum that whisper come back for green lauri morgan
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talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl apr scic intel sbradlei scic intel seth bradlei write articl new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write isn thi falsifi god world exist forev and had start point falsifi god exist thi belief not scien tific premis origin thread refer specif scientif creation thi mean theori theori you propos judg scientif method thi contrast pure philosoph argument definit definit god sometim falsifi exist that god refus give immut definit can not promis that made can broken john law man honor word
talk.religion.misc	rise emeri singl histor event that had biggest impact world centuri resurrect jesu thi major peopl world born live life and di know christ major rest world decid that not emeri think emeri writer testament document convinc that jesu rise dead gospel account leav proof emeri reli quot bibl proof circular reason etc occas state time for gener xtian chang edit alter bibl fit polit gospel and accept bibl true bibl true fair bhagavad gita and koran contradict bibl emeri reason discipl immor and dishonest histor inform that lead conclus that peopl not god fear peopl sincer and heartedli believ that resurrect lord jesu real event and for gain lie make stand that time meant persecut imprison and perhap even death thi biblic account and independ proof thi happen isn simpli sincer will die for your faith not make your faith correct muslim dy bosnia fact that will die for islam mean that islam correct religion emeri histori bear persecut christian roman historian corneliu tacitu govenor asia write nero reign allud tortur christian rome you proven that peopl tortur for faith that not prove that faith true correct mean that sincer belief will die for you doesn make your belief truth not that easi and minor religion suffer tortur muslim suffer tortur and harass india and bosnia todai religion harass china todai you haven proven emeri suffer and persecut that meant believ quit probabl that suppos conspiraci come forward and confess that thing big hoax not didn that hoax emeri not reason that discipl not make resurrect sincer believ that jesu had risen dead light suffer that believ follow muhammad firmli believ miracl that koran muhammad perform attack and slaughter for belief didn denounc muhammad islam you correct that mean islam true faith you stupid your proof
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talk.religion.misc	good that jesu di articl bskendigc netcom bskendig netcom brian kendig write john assuredli you grain wheat fall ground and di remain alon di produc grain love life will lose and hate life thi world will for etern life serv follow and servant will serv father will honor want etern life hate thi you miss jesu point you read surround passag you understand jesu mean life world you bumbl assert your standard axiom that bibl bunk and wrong idea you not exactli jesu mean etern life brian you expect jump middl quantum mechan book and understand hermit polynomi not read surround materi you such bibl for idea jesu mean world refer your concord for good descript book ecclesiast game for etern life check john john you will find that etern life quit you etern life start infinit high qualiti life live fellowship god short even your deiti exist that doesn automat mean that worship content live life and fend for die can proud fact that matter end will action and choic your god decid toss into flame pit for thi ceas exist your god respect and obedi had earn and will strong and true dieti exist you not ceas exist jesu talk hell luke you understand point view christian spout bibl vers time sort magic spell that will level opposit truth not robert never demonstr that understand vers impli rattl dai dai brazenli fly face common sens and realiti and point can truth that not sort magic spell truth that you not understand and enjoi not understand christan nice belief set nice book wrong christian suppos relationship you not even christian and you argu and opinion you bumbl blindli make entiti aren and depriv true understand and enjoy your life long you your belief belief you start wave expect toss opinion make such place jericho jerusalem babylon corinth ephesu susa and such king nebuchanezzar david solomon sennacherib herod pontiu pilat guess that you treat abraham lincoln myth you odin and zeu
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talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl qab horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write frank frank dwyer write articl rusnew manti mathew mathew manti write thi complet nonsens relativ mean that absolut standard moral not mean that standard moral equal good thi mean that moral system you manag thi object frame refer frank dwyer mathew stiff delet faster bullet snail come you can answer that einstein prove that isn object frame refer stiff delet speed quantifi measur result set method that will result measur matter refer bullet veloc sit tabl train move mph will move speed mph train mph stationari train refer frame make speed rel interest that person train will stationari bullet person bullet move mph train peopl time fill will moral problem exactli jim halat halat bear bear stearn doesn kill you will serv annoi you nyc speak for
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talk.religion.misc	food for thought tyre lot discuss tyre sum ezekiel prophesi that place mash and never rebuilt lot peopl live that ezekiel not liter correct thi doesn bother understand languag ezekiel us differ call biblic literalist for exampl sometim happen that grandson cutest babi and turn and see granddaught and isn cutest thing thi person not liter claim line babi world cute and discov grandchildren ti for express emot word that object orient thi exampl that common peopl misunderstand intent statement bibl merci peopl assum that exactli liter true for peopl exist tyre problem for not turn latest person defend ezekiel read thi john king prophesi impli that peopl live area impli noth kind you had noth propheci ezekiel and you told you interpret liter you never mean that will hous and busi and plant and stuff that you read will make you bare rock and you will never rebuilt and you conclud that tyre bare rock fish net hous and build and medium larg popul you that that stuff word your answer mean that ezekiel misl read propheci time written that liter read read thi passag and conclud medium size citi you feel that never rebuilt mean rebuilt clear implic king write state figur rang assum correct modern standard talk hors town that bit popul annapoli you naval acadami state capit georg washington resign commiss statehous annapoli not york two hors town suppos peopl small town peopl ezekiel predict and you noth problem chapter ezekiel predict that nebuchadnezzar will will destroi tyre and loot valuabl nebuchadnezzar not destroi tyre and chapter ezekiel even quot god and armi reward campaign led tyre ignor alexand for moment and pai attent chapter ezekiel destroi tyre and not destroi tyre ezekiel that plunder valuabl not plunder valuabl you tyre fact that di place destroi ezekiel and not thi post pointless inerrantist amaz abil rewrit bibl need fit want for exampl expect king respond comment ezekiel pull clear implic hat ezekiel that demolish your tower that impli that wall stand peopl tower us and ezekiel that demolish your fine hous and throw your stone timber and rubbl into sea that impli that never set foot island and ezekiel wrote that build ramp your wall that impli that spend year stomp mainland and never close wall clear implic that total contrari text and you can reconcil you want darren provin kilroi gboro rowan edu you enabl you demand cliff claven
talk.religion.misc	societ basi for moral articl merlyn digibd merlyn digibd digibd merlyn leroi write prayer school legal illeg tell children prai not prai peopl confus you can kid that prai kid aren allow prai possibl kid told perhap that government bodi busi suppress belief sort satan humanist conspiraci you not for you bit emp
talk.religion.misc	christian law clarif hear christian answer thi question paraphras author christian proclaim that law and prophet major and minor and not account ten command jesu spoke opinion matthew sourc thi pseudo doctrin pseudo teacher great deceiv christian answer jesu jew not christian thi context matthew make sens matt not that jesu abolish law prophet not come abolish fulfil jesu live jewish law culmin promis prophet fulfil propheci and fulli obei god purpos vers for you heaven and earth pass not smallest letter stroke pass law accomplish kei thi vers imho last phrase jesu fulfil law accomplish law suppos accomplish vers annul command and teach call kingdom heaven and teach call great kingdom heaven context jesu teach jewish peopl live live law thi make sens gener appear that jesu respond critic receiv law that not jesu intent had come earth live law live and fulfil promis made god peopl back ev gen serpent will bruis your heel will bruis head jesu appear law not honor tradit men equal law god regularli lock horn religi leader dai not conform rule god law matthew passag jesu defend dedic law and defend accusor almost entir sermon mount matt dedic help jewish peopl understand true intent law sweep clutter had introduc pharase and tradit galatian paul describ relationship jesu law thi faith custodi law shut faith reveal law becom tutor lead christ that justifi faith that faith come longer tutor for you son god faith christ jesu thi that christ reveal law had serv purpos tutor lead christ and longer tutor law fulfil christ god author law and christ man jesu person law and testament last will and testament jesu base moral principl make sens that principl law express christian hand that law fulfil purpos and christian relat god christ not law make sens that practic and symbol establish repres mysteri thi relationship baptism repres christ death burial and resurrect rom lord supper memori sacrific cor and sundai dai worship commemor resurrect matt act that christian explan don claim issu complet settl even mind and christian offer altern excus long post for your interest you read thi john nunnal nunnal ac hard edu
talk.religion.misc	alt sex stori literari critic anali sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl write articl qevbh agat berkelei edu dzkriz ocf berkelei edu denni kriz wrote that perhap not thought even want begin process initi literari critic studi pornographi post alt sex stori identifi major theme and motif present stori post open possibl object moral evalu materi present denni astound didn you interest even studi such filth alt sex stori provid cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net final brethern true honor pure love good reput excel and worthi prais your mind dwell thing phil cheer john nunnal ac hard edu
talk.religion.misc	that kill sword kill sword articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write articl tcz rbdc wsnc org royc rbdc wsnc org roi crabtre wrote articl apr utarlg uta edu zaw utarlg uta edu stephen write articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write you happi peopl includ innoc kid di todai amaz automat blame side thing for koresh will chanc defend statement lack fact court sponsor verif made agent particip situat that kill frankli speak don care start thi show feel sad children that trap and had die for case that didn reason whatsoev koresh releas children and that di gun ablaz batf and fbi imagin troubl give children had shot two take two set gun situat thi put blame koresh and similar fanat religi leader that keep fanat whowil not toler anoth life religi base emot intern lack commonli defin scientif basi includ legal such thi innoc untilproven guilti not innoc presum guilti fanat note dead thi bespeak fair bit for idea that side had lethal weapon us fatal dead children koresh asshol and govern crimin neglig hadni ling case worst koresh and follow innoc not brainwash guilti illeg arm possess unproven and murderedd children cannot speak for member surviv aliv and not burn death batf fbi can and inappropri public ey bound legal author read charter constitut specifi that court convict enforc arm investig and that evid involv shuld not dissemin harm injur parti involv prior that action call slander libel even factual true butthen distot dissemin intent harm for purpos cover butt bottom line want kid aliv and thefbi batf reno prez and thi sick selfserv group upright anim that us freedom love peac countri call america name surpris you turn point finger blame gui and kid die note live dai di attack forc spock world dian duan spear heart anoth spear your respons iam you question not whether guess you make your mind that children war zone not asham thi statement creat war zone you asham bypass that damn liter comment made folk yugoslavia justifi ethnic cleans gee had gun had surrend justifi mean not elimin fact that children di for that not part die for live peacibl purpos proven court folk cuas righteou govern safeguard freedom children dead againi not not fbi leader show moral sick convict press ahead schedul and you your shoulder becuas rumin that set real fact happen and not that defend peopl ahv burn death cannot speak for you year find that concept court system due processss due profit and batf come collect fair share tax your hous you rent for incom folk read bankruptci accur figur and bypass greedi businessman and manker profit corrupt govbern monei folk you for medicar that paid doctor for worth medicin thi customaryprofitmargin businessmen for goernment entitl wll land cult note nonproift religi and nontax larg tract land hmmm us your brain folk happen germani and can happen trillion admit and count kent royc sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat activ net
talk.religion.misc	messag for you presid you happen articl bskendigc rcbg azp netcom bskendig netcom brian kendig write visser convex lanc visser write cut water fire truck present refus bring fire equip for fear that firemen shot and fbi atf blast hole into buil and fire ga munit us tank knock hole wall and releas toxic flammabl tear ga into build second toxic flammabl mace sold toth public supposedli nontox whatthei not you that you mace directli line lung such direct snort face quantiti react similarli mustard ga inhal father and grandfath expos poison ga wwi and wwii dad side effect weapon includ toxic aerosol label mean wont kill you give you perman css asthsma that blow hole your head aerosol flammabl you oxygen and hit ignit flammabl substanc will boom searflam you hit combo trash can fire make black smoke burn can boom wrong suck that smoke made paper that carbon burn fuel into air condit return mix air and light match feet conduit fill that smoke mixtur pound tnt that fire code open ceil tile build stori build blown nonflamm smoke nonflamm aerosol mix gasolin kerosen fume electr remeb bit heat waco plain boil water drink sinc water cut liber mix and settl for hour fume vent into bu underground and davidian move children upstair saferoom had armor plate rememb breath kid sick and die tear ga and come tracer spark you burn death think open mouth not happen gmen brian kendig sui fait comm aucun bskendig netcom ceux que vu os croir etr fait comm aucun ceux qui exist mean life vaux pa mieux moin sui autr that end rousseau
talk.religion.misc	messag for you presid you happen articl tbyd dscomsa desi hallam zeu desi write hang you miss point protest lack water depriv koresh constitut prove divin walk you can folk man run reason attack man belief legal terminolog argument hominem attack man not that proven illeg and fbi atf blast hole into buil and fire ga munit us tank knock hole wall and releas toxic flammabl tear ga into build you can that ga not burn dispit fact that wrongo rememb fire movi coupl year ago backdraft scene factori propan ga come pipe and gasolin floor degre flame front overhead note that not flash onc fire ignit and burn unpredict gase tear ga mix and distribut unevenli and flash unevenli you not fire analyst you cannnot and cannot fbi spokesman reno shut and forens analysi build full flash ga flame flash room pump full phill hallam baker royc
talk.religion.misc	messag for you presid you happen articl qvv morrow stanford edu salem pangea stanford edu bruce salem write that consensu will becom that fbi atf muf not walk into ambush feb and koresh prophesi todai state intent plai into polar situat and not diffus koresh had set condit classic cult confront and had state public outcom becom kid shot govern up ant and parcipit conclus todai that fire set compound member group and not caus ga deliv subsequ investig shed light that suppos make comment that govern had us pyrotechn and start fire dividian had decis stai leav never intend jew nazi die leav build burn almost di doesn bother you bother peopl dont koresh messag human hope finger point begun atf agent and branch davidian dead crazi tactic part atf and fbi yeah blew ration situat that not your ordianri crimin game haven learn that jonestown move hous sla shootout perhap kill blame dead destroi evid royc
talk.religion.misc	messag for you presid you happen articl apollo nelson apollo peter nelson write aliv todai had releas back word releas load convict cxourt children fed us thi type load logic you cannot win accus you shoot coupl your kid blame you for shot harrass you for dai you come die ga you you burn death blame you prior trial for debat thi week ago peter
talk.religion.misc	messag for you presid you happen articl keng tunfair keng den mmc ken garrido write lotsa stuff bottom line due process not serv peac attempt serv warrant occur that royc
talk.religion.misc	messag for you presid you happen articl srew fcg noos ecn purdu edu tbrent bank ecn purdu edu timothi brent write give break fireman deal blaze that and shot time wit firemen real hero time aask come found fire shot prove peopl break law agre weren tactic law replac justic system dy dead note that had small revolut year ago thi point back pull perimet back and sit media attent decid come altern send coupl special forc gui captur assassin koresh rememb fruit perhap wait maybeeven send agent christian sit and prai line affin subvers loop put live line voluntarili chuckl you point gun you that point you can die live and live mean stayng build badg carri nut your kid suspect you side wrong law abid citizen put danger deal nut man jump bradlei grab flame women run back into build yeah save peopl don risk life that save that stupid that didn even want save movi sophi choic grow tim royc
talk.religion.misc	abort and privat health coverag letter agat berkelei edu dzkriz ocf berkelei edu denni kriz write pai for privat health insur plan and not want abort coverag reason for that person complel pai for not compel pai for lipposuct coverag doesn want that kind coverag you stunningli ignor underli concept health insur dzkriz ocf berkelei edu rocker
talk.religion.misc	merlin mithra and magick excit thread final mitra sanskrit for friend such start avatar lord visnu mention veda risen chief promin worship persian associ sun not sun lord contract honor and obedi natur worship soldier order sun slai bull heaven and reluct antli agre oblig blood that bull spill and grew earth life mitra and sun sat eat worship lord mitra end persia ascens zoroastrian hundr year rediscov and thrown into offici roman pantheon for semi tricki reason forget refer end abruptli stricken appar worship sort vehicl for advanc bureaucraci membership communist parti soviet bloc sociolog religion ancient time fascin dai dec ahem not mysteri cult last boot roman imperi god roster contain soldier level initi worship underground cavern pew bull horn templ for scare impal evil spirit not that had mithraic signific not don that ritual meal cannibalist natur christian mass eat deiti back kingdom egypt mention bullfight mithraist sacrific bull forget like for religi sourc shower bull blood enjoi worshipp cybel dai blood cybel worship extend even franc bigtim charl hope cunyvm cunyvm cuni edu govern report media ocraci
talk.religion.misc	waco conflagr preced burn aliv rough waco bunch had choic remind russian believ think antichrist come grew frantic peter great start western russia and reform russian church year lock church and burn aliv thousand case apocalyps obsess christian resort imol histori preced andrew
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl mlj horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl squick eitech ekr squick eitech eric rescorla write articl horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl qvu kyle eitech ekr kyle eitech eric rescorla write almost peopl agre that sun exist usual uncrit sens and almost peopl agre that deal bad reason conclus that sun exist and that deal bad disagre complet recent peopl not evolut possibl atom bomb popular opinion notori wrong matter fact true nevertheless basi matter fact overwhelm popular opinion and overwhelm popular opinion fact sun shine not physic person matter assum for each yourgrav and mygrav and theoret framework encompass and predict thi simpli complet nonsens basi for matter fact class opinion major inform popular opinion for inform hate base knowledg for instanc overwhelm popular opinion basi eric peopl peer world and talk uninterpret fact observ peopl agreement observ prerequisit for theori that person that true you clear exactli uninterpret observ pretti low level stuff sun shine lot higher level that can agre that perceiv bright perhap experi good evil bit raw fact experi pain vision that good pass guess turn pretti cruddi thing opinion experi good and evil agre meter you not compar appl appl meter agre situat that agre fundament valu peopl that agre valu extent that agre trivial observ unawar extent agreement huh you mean situat and denni kriz exampl pretti situat can agre whether dai night don can agre whether not abort moral accept differ situat respect each weasel word frank don that evid point not interest popular opinion prepar trust extent popular opinion direct matter physic observ and larg accord dial read and look hope that believ peopl matter reason probabl predict observ possibl exist that not sinc observ that disagre good can discount popular opinion good begin predictor opinion that fact that almost imposs peopl agre good larg number situat evid that object moral bogu firstli dial and check len prescript that you guess secondli your observ that peopl disagre show noth peopl thing virtu situat eleph eleph that doesn impli that you will eleph you iguana thi situat stuff pretti confus frank decid situat you mind explain thirdli question your assumpt that peopl disagre achiev fundament secondari goal that not fundament goal that disagr you refer huh don that peopl disagre fundament goal ekr eric rescorla ekr eitech you bui us code thi man
talk.religion.misc	biblic back koresh tape cite enclos articl apr wood ulowel edu cotera wood ulowel edu write articl sbctri sbc netd susi sbc write articl apr utarlg uta edu zaw utarlg uta edu stephen write for david koresh didn solid structur sound biblic back for hour long tape broadcast don care solid structur sermon death respons for that concern peopl assum you evid that respons for death common sens fire caus koresh and follow fbi atf cia kgb and harper vallei pta sinc you throw evid arguement throw back can you prove govern agenc don resort cover that prove wild theori govern agenc intention start fire kei word proof and evid prove that thou shalt not kill stuff point that bibl not commit murder nkj translat mistransl defens never consid murder explain koresh defend children burn tim henrion southwestern bell technolog resourc thenrion sbctri sbc
talk.religion.misc	merlin mithra and magick caldwel facman ohsu edu larri caldwel write kosinski oracl kevin osinski write recal read michael rutherford sarum scene son roman nobleman live britain take part secret ceremoni involv bull stand nake pit cover sort scaffold assist coax bull stand scaffold fatal stab bull dous worshipp pit blood thi supposedli sort rite passag for member bull cult thi relat mithra cult don rutherford inform for thi chapter book histor fiction and gener event place larg base histor account rite thi describ joseph campbel occident mytholog describ level initi don campbel info rememb think eclect connect ancient bull cult and current practic bullfight popular mediterranean cultur quit bit you haven read campbel give larri caldwel caldwel ohsu edu compuserv oregon health scienc univers cannot remeb work read thi year ago thi ritual call tarobaullum spell pope charl popec brewich hou pope charl origin brewer witch bb houston
talk.religion.misc	freemasonri and southern baptist convent lowel locu lowel morrison write articl usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu toni southern baptist convent conven thi june charg that freemasonri incompat christian thought quot jame holli anti mason flag carrier amus you passag exact quot southern baptist convent and freemasonri jame holli presid mission and ministri men inc beaumont drivel delet jesu christ never command toler motiv for discipl and toler antithesi christian messag page central dynam freemason drive for world uniti fratern liberti and equal toler thi write great writer freemasonri page drivel delet hope you had good laugh toni laugh toni thi relig bigot scare shit and that bother listen grave doubt futur shade branch davidian jim jone and charli manson uncl wolf member highland lodg grand lodg california babtiz southern babtist and belief teach not worri mason demon and harrass almost major xian church for centuri and stand wil withstand miser southern boobtist even pick support peopl start listen boobtist and realiz that subtract obviou li and claim satan that mason sound pretti good comparison thing sizabl proport southern babtist mason and mason fire back magazin boobtist witch hunt sinc consrerv divis element war boobtist moder and liber start mason boobtist brother and hasten downfal and southern boobtist realiz church can stand run hand clown for holi civil war and puriti test and drop leadership posit concern louder ruder and outrag anti mason crusad goat mount pop pocorn and center row seat circu begin and come clown pope charl slack popec brewich hou pope charl origin brewer witch bb houston
talk.religion.misc	atom real year blah blah blah petri and mathew your discus realiti atom interest that you verg question real that sinc observ not reliabl can that real don thi intent origin question sinc you defin word real that noth can meet criteria thought brian rainbow and shadow real not object phenomenon interest question atom object classic phenomenon neo quantum
talk.religion.misc	messag for you presid you happen bskendig netcom brian kendig write zaw utarlg uta edu stephen tice write anoth for patienc bad you couldn wait prospect god messag you that david koresh jesu christ you scof that gui hung cross claim son god and almost two thousand year forget preach love thy neighbor thyself two gui set fire agent provacateur cutter gloster mind org chri job easi person doesn holt law
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral ursa bear halat pooh bear jim halat write articl qjd nlv horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write firstli scienc basi valu not round you explain object atom and subject valu atom not object aren even real scientist call atom noth mathemat model that describ physic observ properti surround subject omigod operationalist jim idea that theori explain myriad distinctli observ model sensibl peopl can accept your phobia object realiti notwithstand mark pundur resembl opinion and wolfram research inc pure coincident
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral rusnew manti mathew manti mathew write object physic einstein and bohr told that speak rel and quantum mechan bullshit object realiti lsd suffici prove that speak lsd bullshit wonder peopl such question understand term object fiction abstract ideal can strive ideal ga light inextens string doesn exist can talk thing and not wrong strive ideal ideal had object exist mark pundur resembl opinion and wolfram research inc pure coincident
talk.religion.misc	rawlin debunk creation articl apr rambo atlanta wpr atlanta bill rawlin write talk origin not scienc scienc cannot explain origin for person exclud scienc issu origin that higher truth scienc thi fals premis enjoi scienc observ god creation macroevolut mixtur percent scienc and percent religion guarante percent error explor thi interest paragraph point point sentenc sentenc talk origin not scienc origin speak origin life human speci univers physic law biolog divers scienc cannot explain origin thi fals statement carefulli qualifi depend origin talk for person exclud scienc issu origin that higher truth scienc thi fals statement begin notion higher truth distinctli dubiou peopl that wai ascertain truth that not repetoir scienc even that wai that reliabl and that truth that cannot express languag scienc truth higher lower simpli true point restrict discuss origin scienc not reject sourc knowledg simpli restrict scope discuss thi fals premis thi intend assert that previou sentenc fals true context identifi anoth fals theolog unsound statement enjoi scienc evid rawlin lack suffici understand scienc enjoi scienc meaning sens that enjoi literatur written languag that cannot read cannot mark thi sentenc fals follow analog perhap like pretti shape letter observ god creation not quibbl count thi true macroevolut mixtur percent scienc and percent religion guarante percent error anoth fals statement can make come true contextu modif macroevolut misunderstood rawlin mixtur percent rawlin erron think scienc and percent rawlin erron think religion distinctli notic that rawlin fail miser touch truth report person feel justic assum that not misinform person reaction can account for thi hypothesi that idiosyncrat and person concept truth richard harter smd inc net address smd phone mail smd inc box concord fax field hell grass grow high grave dream allow die
talk.religion.misc	albert sabin articl apr rambo atlanta wpr atlanta bill rawlin write delet sinc you refer messiah assum you refer testament detail your complaint mail you don want post centuri greek and understood you consid josephu jewish historian wrote jesu addit gospel account harmoni sinc thi drivel crosspost alt atheism read alt atheism faq josephu quot concid fake even christian historian and gospel contradict each import point weren you offer scientif theori creation benedikt
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl qie fkt horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write object moral moral built object valu and organ religion religion built organ valu and ford tempo tempo built ford valu and ration respons respons built ration valu and uncondit surrend surrend built uncondit valu uncl bye jim halat
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl apr wam umd edu judi wam umd edu jai stein object subject write qhn horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer cull discuss christian and object moral question effect differ object valu exist and disagr and valu subject don differ absolut truth exist peopl lie and truth rel exampl statement fundament disagr two peopl second statement agre put anoth object valu exist not agre that valu subject jim halat
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl qjbn horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write you don object offer peopl collect for land america that sound good deal that happen subject exampl that peopl happen agre continu move price point peopl accept accept high number endpoint subject scale not home object viewpoint jim halat
talk.religion.misc	year can that christian moral articl qjd nlv horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write firstli scienc basi valu not round you explain object atom and subject valu atom not object aren even real scientist call atom noth mathemat model that describ physic observ properti surround subject object approach scientist take discuss model and observ object scienc object approach subject select scientist object thi case mean unchang set rule that and colleagu us discuss scienc thi contrast your object moral object approach subject discuss your belief moral exist object moral scienc deal can discuss observ physic world that method discuss object not scienc not discuss scienc make claim why even how sometim can observ simpli discuss surround meaning consist neil bohr paraphras scienc can physic world jim halat
talk.religion.misc	messag for you presid you happen sqya noos ecn purdu edu tbrent bank ecn purdu edu timothi brent write not don pack heavi weaponri intent us cite your evid that intend us you don allow that stuff you not you live can steer clear check sig public right and individu societi not right individu right ahead call commi your commi you sing tune exercis rape your daughter you you rape you don care rightw broke law law you feel koresh broke and convict crime threat societi you feel that own gun make threat societi start knive and basebal bat you feel that spout unpopular idea definit threat societi job simpl simpl you that job assualt civilian support your second fourth sixth and eighth amend right you fbi davidian support word you don support mob rule isn prettier mob call govern ain chariti you monei wilson theori rel you back relat mark wilson atlantaga ncr
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